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Carlie Brucia's Killer, Joseph Smith, Dies in Florida Prison

Buck Sexton

00:13 sec | 2 months ago

Carlie Brucia's Killer, Joseph Smith, Dies in Florida Prison

"Of killing an 11 year old girl in Sarasota in 2004, has died at a Florida prison. The 55 year old Smith was on death row for the 2004 murder of Carlie Brucia. No cause of death was released. Green Cove Springs born Olympian

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Some Would Play

Some Would Play

03:29 min | 3 months ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Some Would Play

"I hate it. Nick real smiling at people it leaves people up for sure but like i could do without so if i'm wearing a mask this great. I think people expect at it's awful. Daf would be full blown her job. She should do hot denver not talking about that earlier. about burqas. conversation happened earlier. You should get on top of that. Yeah i feel like you'd be really comfortable that way. I feel like it would be appropriate. Nope it's not cultural appropriation. Just become muslims. It's all good choices. All good choices here. Same god what. Let's just invent new one and none and then and then you get to wear what you doing. What god wants you to do. Your god wants you to You covered head to toe. You join one of the majors so you don't get murdered okay. I don't know if you know how the world works doing one of the majors. Yeah like isn't a major world religion. Yes okay see was mr abraham yeah just one of the abraham england's dorm astra's no no just abraham okay same god new words be jewish christian or muslim. Does your choices pick muslims. Wear the burqa. Those are those are the three major abraham inc religion. What are other abor. Hammock might be some goofballs out there. I guess worth occc. Not one scientology. No worship an author who's dead yum cheese. Yeah super weird. He was he was not even he wasn't even a good writer. I mean and there's no redeeming qualities like mormons are crazy but like they're the nicest people ever met ever every time except gant's down more are really nice best. I guess your basic mormon is but they really do some weird yet to children. Okay but also the religions super weird also joe joe joe smith. I don't know. I don't care how you are lady con. Man i obviously i don't. You're my ancestors killed. Joseph smith good on you fucking nuts. God in jesus did not come to him in the middle of the goddamn forest and say this is the real thing. It's fucking absurd. But they didn't do that with anybody like why is it just a little bush and noah and the ark. Dm emt god shit and the ten. Commandments wasn't moses in the burning bush. Yeah yeah was the burning bush. The burning bush was probably acacia which releases gmt. When burn. he's probably trip in his goddamn balls off that god intends it how does has gotten and then let's fucking plane mine years later. That's the greek work because they're making the abors way fucked up. Yep that's the only way you compare you guys did it. I a up on drugs talked. God's it's the only way to do with him on that plane. I've done plenty of sway. Y'all way was like yo dot ca mind could conceivably be in the state to converse with a deity like that. I think that's the theory. I mean it seems like it would be hard to tap into it As just a regular ass. He's been wisdom. Look it up. That's really not just embassy moses.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on This Day In Esoteric Political History

This Day In Esoteric Political History

02:16 min | 4 months ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on This Day In Esoteric Political History

"Sometimes active on twitter. You can find me at spencer w mcbride and and spencer w mcbride dot com is my website. Great all right. Well thank you so much for doing this. And nicole hammer tanks to us. Always thank you. Daddy and kelly carter jackson thanks to you. My pleasure act this day esoteric. Political history is a proud member of radio. Tokyo from p. r. x. network of independent listener supported artists owned podcasts. Are researcher and producer. Is jacob feldman. Our producer is brittany brown. You can get in touch with us with any questions or comments or ideas for the show. Mls this they pod at mail dot com or you can find a form at this day. Pod dot com. My.

"joseph smith" Discussed on This Day in History Class

This Day in History Class

01:31 min | 4 months ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on This Day in History Class

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"joseph smith" Discussed on We Saw the Devil

We Saw the Devil

04:19 min | 11 months ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on We Saw the Devil

"So it says when the lamb shall stand on mount zion and with him and hundred and forty four thousand having his father's name written on their foreheads. What i read those. I really like three times. Be like there's no way this number is in this exact. The exact number so to make that even worse i was like there's no way it's the same thing no it guys because in a footnote that same scripture this fight this reference then takes you to dnc seventy seven. Where in that. Joseph smith does a little cuban with god and it's written down so it's like this back and forth by. What are we to make of this. And got answers. And joseph goes okay. Well what about this so we can show dismiss the prophet. It's written down. Dnc and the sources were quoted as god himself so i i don't know how more direct we can get with that hundred and forty four thousand. I hate that. I'm wrong here. But here's what it says so again. Joseph asks what are we to make of this hundred forty four thousand number got says weird understand that those were sealed as high priests ordained unto the holy order of to administer the everlasting gospel for they are they who are dean of every nation kindred talion people by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth to bring mini s will come under the church of the firstborn so then to see the church of the firstborn. I'm like are you kidding me and it's all in there. That's that this is the really hard part again as someone who has like. I was raised studying the gospel. I mean i didn't just read. This occasionally like i was was shocked that even after all my studies of doctrine and covenants of knowing the gospel. I just breezed right over. This scripture has many times..

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Think Twice Before You Eat That Halloween Candy

Nopeville

07:16 min | 1 year ago

Think Twice Before You Eat That Halloween Candy

"The urban legend of Razor Blades in your Halloween candy or poison hidden behind the sweet taste of a snickers bar has been around for decades to this day. Parents are still worn to inspect all candy give into their children to make sure that it's safe for consumption quoted from a mental floss article written by Ethan treks quote it's easy to see how urban legends have taken hold because they're so terrifying after all parents Ben Three hundred, sixty, four days of every year telling their kids not to take candy from strangers precisely because of might be poisoned. Then, give the thumbs up to taking snacks from every house in the neighborhood on Halloween, and that's so true and it also calls to mind the whole idea of like when we re under it, we were told not to talk to strangers online and not to get in cars with strangers, and now we literally use the Internet to summon strangers to get in their cars yet. So. Weird. It's crazy. So in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five Joel Best, who's a professor of sociology and Criminal Justice at the University of Delaware publishing article that reviewed reports and press coverage of candy tampering in the United States between nineteen, Fifty, eight to nineteen eighty-four during the search he found a report as early as nineteen fifty nine where children were falling ill after a California dentist named. William. Shine had distributed four hundred fifty candies laced with laxatives. Two Children Jesus thirty of these children were actually affected by candy tampering and he was later charged with outrage of public decency and quote unlawful dispensing of drugs for a dentist. A dentist, a nine, hundred, sixty, four in New York a forty, seven year. Old Woman named. Helen feel was. Annoyed by the Halloween custom of handing out candy to children especially to children who she felt deserve to be given free candy for she handed out bags of treats including ant poison and dog biscuits while when she was confronted about her actions she said, she was doing it as a joke and only gave the items kid she felt were too old to be trick or treating. Is later reported that she was admitted to the State Hospital for mental observation. Good. God right. You don't know what their issues and why they're treating, and even if they don't have an issue like who fucking cares don't be so stingy. Yeah. Like would you want them taking part in egging in toilet paper toilet paper people's houses or would you like them going door to door and get some candy? Just let them go home with bags of candy and then do whatever they're going to do at the house. They're not gonNA come back at midnight to your house. They've if you give him dog biscuits. Yeah. It's like you just set yourself up for some mischief right in one thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight, Toronto police had discovered razor blades and noodles and Halloween apples. The footage found in the CBC Archives Showed Police Displaying Candy that was supposedly poisoned in nineteen seventy, five year old boy named Kevin Dotson from Detroit died after supposedly eating heroin laced candy diseases. After news media outlets had a field day with telling all parents to dispose of their children's hard earned cash flowing treats. It was later discovered that the parents of the child were trying to hide the true events led to his death apparently the uncle of the boy. had a heroin stash in his home and the little boy had gotten into it and ingested a capsule filled with heroin. The parents sprinkled heroin on the boys Halloween candy after he had died as a cover up to protect the boy's uncle God. But that also kind of reminds me of the the thing that goes around of Lake don't watch out people are putting edibles in your candidate and like no nobody's giving you hundreds of dollars of drug senior kids. In two thousand and Minnesota a forty nine year old man named James Joseph Smith was charged with felony for tampering with candy after a fourteen year old boy was pricked with a needle after biting into a candy bar. Lou. He apparently had put needles into snickers bars and handed them out on Halloween. Night. He was charged with one count of adultery in substance with the intent to cause harm illness or death new four other boys were found to have the needle lace snicker Bar, but the only one boy was harmed. In Two thousand sixteen in Nova Scotia a twelve year old boy was injured when he reached into his candy bag and was cut by a razor blade poking out of a kick cap arc. In two thousand, seventeen multiple reports come out of Ontario Canada where eleven year old girl underwent surgery at U. ship it into recess peanut Butter Cup containing a metal object although it was unclear if this was a result of candy tampering or a manufacturing incident. And other eleven year old boy was also reported to have received a Tutsi roll containing melatonin pill before. Tone of all things so. Yes. So harmless but just go to sleep in two thousand, nineteen in Connecticut thirty seven year old Jason Racks was arrested and held on a two hundred fifty thousand dollar bond after the parents of at least two trick or treaters found razors in their children's candy bags. He was charged with risk of injury to a minor reckless endangerment and interfering with police officer apparently did not go quietly when arrested and he also stated that the razor blades were accidentally spilled into the Cannibal for boxer razors who just happened to have next to it. Yes. Yep Yeah I totally believer like you do a later unrelated incident involved someone handing out THC laced gummy candies in their Halloween trick or treaters. Each of the bags contained colorful gummy cubes each packed with ten milligrams of THC. It was stated that it was unknown if this was intentional or from might have been an unintentional oversight by the person handing out the treats but the packaging was obvious enough that it shouldn't be consumed by children Marcos is probably high end didn't notice it air probably high and just in the bag knows because there's pictures of it and that looks like little gummy little gummy bear bags. Yeah. So again, the joke comes up though that nobody's going to willingly hand over yet. They're edibles. Yeah. At the conclusion of Joel Best Research. So get it only went from nine, hundred, fifty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, and a lot of these cases. I, told you about were in the two thousands So, this was his conclusion with his research at the conclusion of Joel Best Research into candy tampering incidents. He concluded that the vast majority of reported about seventy five percent who were either hoaxes conducted by children or their parents or didn't result in serious injury interesting. He also stated that contemporary legends are ways that society expresses anxiety and urban legends like Halloween Sadism could've stemmed from societal grievances like nineteen, eighty, two with the cyanide laced tylenol incident in. CHICAGO? The September eleventh terrorist attacks and subsequent Anthrax scare and of course now with Yeah. which actually plays into what you were saying. Devil's night about the depression and the war and how people just kind of like did what they did on Devil's night as a reprieve or as Cathartic. Occurrence. Yeah. So yeah, and that a lot of these urban legends Kinda just stemmed from people just having so much anxiety about the world in the world's problems. Yeah. Yeah. He has stated quote is it possible that someone maliciously passes out treats with the intent of harming children at random of course but this raises the question why they're usually aren't multiple reports from the same area effectively saying that the urban legend is just that nothing more than a hoax or scary story to tell her on time we're anxieties already

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

07:16 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

"Using a very general definition of what a martyr is, and that is someone who dies for a cause. I guess a more than probably could get away with that because Smith they would argue. The only reason he died was because of the cause of mormonism and what he stood for. I would rebut that by saying well. It was really more than that. It was his bad behavior and boneheaded decisions that kind of led to his death. But if they want to say, he's simply a person who died for the cause. I guess you would almost have to allow them that kind of a definition, but here's where I say there's a problem. Joseph Smith said he was going as a lamb led to the slaughter. Does that language salad familiar a lamb. There are Mormon historians that have used that language to compare Joseph Smith to the death of Christ himself. Now there I definitely have to draw a line because certainly Jesus did not go with any act of violence or even a struggle. Towards the Cross, he complied in every way possible. And so to use language like that and perhaps draw connection to Jesus himself I. Find personally to be very offensive. But they do have a very high view of him because when you end up looking at the way they I mean. There's accounts that seemed to indicate that almost as if you're going to stand bef- for judgment before the Trinity and Joe Smith. Well. They probably wouldn't say trendy, but they do say that Joe. Smith is supposed to be one of the judges for all mankind. If Joseph Smith as you to go into the celestial kingdom. You're going to be doing good, so there are statements for Mormon leaders who have said that Joseph Smith is going to have some say as to where mankind is going to end up in the next life. So when they when they picture, and they described this event that happened a hundred and seventy six years ago. They they revere what happened to Joseph Smith. He was a martyr for the cause. He's someone who was faithful to the end. And yet we see that the actions that led up to this were not exactly godly. They were cover up That's more selfish not. I mean that's the the. Exact opposite of what we'd call godly. That's not putting God first entrusting in. It was damaged control to protect his own image. I agree totally I think you're absolutely correct on that Andrew and I think if a latter day saint was to carefully look at why these men felt it necessary to expose Joseph, Smith and they look at some of the charges that they were raising against Joseph Smith's behavior and claims his lies for instance I would think beden honest ladder say would have to at least. Admit. They had a case. In why they were concerned with Joseph Misbehavior because this is not what we would expect to be the behavior of a godly man, a prophet if you will who is getting information from God on how to guide Christ's only true church. I think most latter day saints. If they were honest enough to read what happened in the final days of Joseph, Smith's life would probably see and maybe even. Agree that the men who put the. Together had a point. And this is this is the part that when you come upon a latter day saint. The the account that they don't know. This is the part that is. They know the against the way you worded it. The Romanticized version of this. And yet? There's a lot there to cosby. Say you know what there's. There's some reason to question. Now in living in twenty first century, America, looking back and say well. You know that kind of frontier. Justice makes me uncomfortable as well and I would agree I've often said publicly bat, the mob whatever their intentions were certainly should not have gone to the degree of chilling Joseph. They were there merely to arrest him to try to get some kind of bounty on him in another county somewhere. Alright, that happened all the time, but here here's where I have often had this question Andrew we only know that Joseph. Smith fired defensively because that's what the Mormon Church tells us. Did, he really fire defensive layer could've been at Joseph Smith may have been the first to fire. See I don't know this and the record that Mormons have to read coming from their own sources mainly makes it look like Joseph Smith was responding to gunfire. How do we know I don't and this is? There's all sorts of questions in my mind regarding how this whole thing came down because you probably very will wear and that in times like this things happened very quickly. And sometimes when they're recounted afterwards, the time line isn't always as precise as it probably could be or should be so what really happened on that day at that time period when the the gunfire goes back and forth I have a lot of questions about that well, we really don't know because I think that. Most of our accounts that we have of what happened. Come from the Mormon Church. Correct and the people who were there from the Mormon Church? We I don't know of any and I could be wrong, but I don't know of any documentation that gives the account of the mob that were. Or of any investigation now this seems strange to us in our in our day and age because you had someone who is who was killed in a jail cell. There be an investigation, but again in a frontier they might not do anything like that, and so when we look at this, it's not necessarily going to be what we would expect today. And we really don't have that. Being done where people start to investigate and ask questions and things like this, and therefore most of the documentation comes from a bias source. I would say you're absolutely correct. Of course, the history of the church certainly shows it's bias when it talks about the persecutions, and they were at, and I think I should mention there entered the persecutions against the LDS people many of them were very real, and they were wrong, but it's not like. The Mormons just took it on the Chin many times the Mormons did retaliate especially when they were in Missouri. They call it the.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

08:14 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

"And in court they were, I'm reading from the history. It says that day in court Joseph and higher were released to await trial on the riot charges, but before the brothers could leave town to William. Laws associates brought complaints against them for declaring martial law in the WVU. They were charged with treason against the government and people of Illinois a capital offense that permitted the men for being released on bail. So, Joseph and hire more confined in the county jail locked together in a cell for the night. And this jail. The Carthage jail is a stone building. It's two stories you walk in the bottom. The bottom part was the quarters where the jailer lived with his family and upstairs. There was a barred cell as well as a debtor sell. They call it, and you would go up the stairs and there was a landing there. You would turn to the right, and if you went straight, you would go towards the debt or sell. That's where they put Joseph Smith in the debt or sell. And the door itself didn't even lock. It was wart Baloch did not work, and so you would think that they didn't really think you'd be a flight risk. Except for the fact that they did have armed guards at the jail to make sure that Joe Smith wooden escape, so even though he could probably walk out of the room and go on the landing, he couldn't get away from the jail and and and flea. But what happens on June twenty seventh? Eighteen, forty four. The jail. Is. I. Guess, you could say attack by a mob, and this mob is coming for Joseph Smith now did they want to kill Joseph Smith, that's a matter of controversy something that maybe they were there, merely to capture Joseph Smith and turn them in because he was wanted in another area of the country, and maybe they could get a reward of that, but we'll never really know because we just won't know that stuff. Is I guess not really available to us to know all the facts there, but the mob attacks the jail and they go up on the landing. And Joseph Smith is being visited at that time by a man named Willard Richards and John Taylor. John, Taylor would later become the third president of the Church and Willard Richards was Mormon Apostle they were visiting at the time and earlier in the day Joseph. Smith was visited by guy by the name of Cyrus Wheelock. Cyrus Wheelock left Joe Smith a smuggled pistol. He got past the guards and he gave the gun he actually says. Does anybody want this and Smith supposedly says here give it to me. He wanted it and he put it in his pantaloons pocket. As the way, it's worded in the history of the church. When this mob attacks! Joe Smith not only has a gun, but another man visited him during the day by the name of full, Moore, who also offered a pistol to the prisoners and Joseph. Smith took that and gave it to his brother Hiram. And as the mob came up the landing onto the landing. The men in the cellar, holding themselves against the door. Because, there isn't a lock on the door. and Th- written I'm I'm giving the story as it is more in history? A bullet goes through the door and hits Hiram in the face and the bridge of the nose. He allegedly falls back saying something like I am a dead man. Now. That is certainly controversial because a person shot in the head in that. Area specifically. Is probably not going to be forming words. Or sentences so this could be romanticized for all we know, but Hiram falls back and Joseph Smith allegedly says something to the effect. Oh my poor dear brother, Hiram, and he goes to his aid. WHO's he's laying there and as justice with gets up from his probably dead brother. At this time he pulls the gun out. The opens. The door slightly sticks his. Our Mountain fires the gun three times. Or an excuse me six times. He pulls the trigger, but it fires only three times. It's an even Allen pepper box, not a very reliable gun at all, and only three of the barrels discharge. as we understand it John, Taylor. Who was there, said Bat. The barrels did discharge hit their marks He was under the impression that two of those that were shot by Smith died. That's controversial Some say that's not true. That didn't happen although John, Taylor never changed his mind or changed his account of what happened that day. But what eventually happens, is Joseph Smith after firing the gun? They tried closing the door. He goes to the window of the jails cell, and he begins to give masonic signal of distress, saying the words Oh, Lord my God. He's shot again at the window. Any falls out never completing what many believe to be the masonic signal of stress, which is Oh, Lord, my God. Is there no help for the widow's son? All? He gets out of the words. Lord my God, and he falls out the window. They propped his body up. They shoot him again and at the end of Joe, Smith and Hiram Smith. That's how he died and yet if you were to take the tour. And I've taken it many many times. They never volunteer the information on the smuggled pistol. I always have to bring it up during the when Acre. Well in in the history of the church, one of the things I always would bring up with people is the fact that they described his death as a martyr's death. Right however, as you just gave the accounting. Assuming, shot is fired in. He's not just taking it lying down. He's not distrusting God. He's actually aggressor you know. I think the way that it words in the history of the church. Berkeley's. He had his trusty six shooter I. Think is how was said, but he's firing he's. He's trying to kill people. That's a good point Andrew. Because, even though let's say nobody died. Okay, because I heard a mormon make this argument, but nobody died. That's a controversy. Go okay, let's say nobody died. Are you telling me that when he fires into the crowd. That's not what he's hoping for. I mean you know fire gun into a crowd unless you're hoping to hit somebody and you're probably going to kill them. Especially with a caliber, the size of that L. Pepper box that he had that gun is on display in the church museum across from Temple Square to this very day. Now before they they modernized the visitor center. They had a different gun on display that they said was the gun Joseph Smith years well. When I saw the new gun, the opened up the after the renovation I went up and ask somebody at the at the museum. Why is there a different gun on display? Well didn't know that there was a different gun, but I did I'd pictures of the old one as well as the new, and they are not the same it's. It's an Ethan Allen Pepper box. But the barrel on the original gun was significantly longer than the barrel on this gun. That is now on display. And I. Had someone from the Church eventually contact me on? That may admitted that I was right at is a gut the different gone, but that the one on display now is the one that Joseph Smith did us. Even though for years, the sign on the other guns said it was the one that was is. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter Joseph Smith was trying to cause bodily harm to his attackers. Now if a Mormon wants to say, he was.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

Christian Podcast Community

08:14 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"And in court they were. I'm reading from the history. It says that day in court. Joseph and higher were released to await trial on the riot charges, but before the brothers could leave town to William laws, associates brought complaints against them for declaring martial law in the wvu. They were charged with treason against the government and people of Illinois a capital offense that permitted the men for being released on bail. So Joseph and hire more confined in the county jail locked together in a cell for the night. And this jail. The Carthage jail is a stone building. It's two stories you walk in the bottom. The bottom part was the quarters where the jailer lived with his family and upstairs. There was a barred cell as well as a debtor sell. They call it, and you would go up the stairs and there was a landing there. You would turn to the right, and if you went straight, you would go towards the or sell. That's where they put Joseph. Smith in the debt or sell. And the door itself didn't even lock. It was wart. Baloch did not work, and so you would think that they didn't really think you'd be a flight risk. Except for the fact that they did have armed guards at the jail to make sure that Joe. Smith wooden escape, so even though he could probably walk out of the room and go on the landing. He couldn't get away from the jail and and and flea. But what happens on June twenty seventh? Eighteen forty four. The jail. Is. I guess you could say attack by a mob and this mob is coming for Joseph Smith now did they want to kill Joseph Smith? That's a matter of controversy something that maybe they were there merely to capture Joseph Smith and turn them in because he was wanted in another area of the country, and maybe they could get a reward of that, but we'll never really know because we just won't know that stuff is I. Guess Not really available to us to know all the facts there, but the mob attacks the jail and they go up on the landing. And Joseph Smith is being visited at that time by a man named Willard Richards and John Taylor. John Taylor would later become the third president of the Church and Willard Richards was Mormon Apostle they were visiting at the time and earlier in the day, Joseph Smith was visited by guy by the name of Cyrus. Wheelock Cyrus Wheelock left Joe Smith a smuggled pistol. He got past the guards and he gave the gun he actually says. Does anybody want this and Smith? Supposedly says here give it to me. He wanted it, and he put it in his pantaloons pocket. As the way, it's worded in the history of the church. When this mob attacks! Joe Smith not only has a gun, but another man visited him during the day by the name of full Moore. who also offered a pistol to the prisoners and Joseph Smith took that and gave it to his brother Hiram. And as the mob came up the landing onto the landing. The men in the are holding themselves against the door. Because there isn't a lock on the door. and Th- written I'm I'm giving the story as it is more than history. A bullet goes through the door and hits Hiram in the face and the bridge of the nose. He allegedly falls back. Saying something like I am a dead man. Now. That is certainly controversial because a person shot in the head in that. Area specifically. Is Probably. Not going to be forming words. Or sentences so this could be romanticized for all we know, but Hiram falls back and Joseph Smith allegedly says something to the effect. Oh my poor, dear brother, Hiram, and he goes to his aid. WHO's he's laying there and as justice with up from his probably dead brother. At this time he pulls the gun out. The opens the door slightly sticks his arm out and fires the gun three times. Or an excuse me six times he pulls the trigger, but it fires only three times. It's an even Allen pepper box, not a very reliable gun at all, and only three of the barrels discharge. as we understand it John Taylor. Who was there said bat? The barrels that did discharge hit their marks He was under the impression that two of those that were shot by Smith died. That's controversial Some say that's not true. That didn't happen although John Taylor, never changed his mind or changed his account of what happened that day. But what eventually happens is Joseph Smith after firing the gun. They tried closing the door. He goes to the window of the jails cell, and he begins to give masonic signal of distress, saying the words Oh Lord, my God. He's shot again at the window. Any falls out never completing what many believe to be the masonic signal of distress, which is oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son? All? He gets out of the words. Lord, my God, and he falls out the window. They propped his body up. They shoot him again and at the end of Joe Smith and Hiram Smith. That's how he died and yet if you were to take the tour. At, I've taken it many many times. They never volunteer the information on the smuggled pistol. I always have to bring it up during the when Acre. Well in in the history of the church, one of the things I always would bring up with people is the fact that they described his death as a martyr's death. Right however as you just gave the accounting. Assuming shot is fired in. He's not just taking it lying down. He's not distrusting, God he's actually aggressor. You Know I. Think the way that it words in the history of the church. Berkeley's. He had his trusty six shooter I. Think is how was said, but he's firing he's. He's trying to kill people. That's a good point Andrew, because even though let's say nobody died. Okay, because I heard a mormon. Make this argument, but nobody died. That's a controversy. Go okay, let's say nobody died. Are you telling me that when he fires into the crowd. That's not what he's hoping for. I mean you know fire gun into a crowd unless you're hoping to hit somebody and you're probably going to kill them. Especially with a caliber, the size of that L. Pepper box that he had that gun is on display in the church museum across from Temple Square to this very day. Now before they they modernized the visitor center. They had a different gun on display that they said was the gun Joseph Smith years well when I saw the new gun after the opened up the after the renovation I went up and ask somebody at the at the museum. Why is there a different gun on display? Well didn't know that there was a different gun, but I did I'd pictures of the old one as well as the new, and they are not the same. It's an Ethan Allen Pepper box. But the barrel on the original gun was significantly longer than the barrel on this gun. That is now on display. And I had someone from the Church eventually. Contact me on. That may admitted that I was right. At is a gut the different gone, but that the one on display now is the one that Joseph Smith did us, even though for years the sign on the other guns said it was the one that was is. But. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter Joseph. Smith was trying to cause bodily harm to his attackers. Now if a Mormon wants to say, he was.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

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07:48 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

"So that people can see it on their. That's what so Great Andrew About these Gospel topics essays. Once they started coming out and they came out euchre mentally over about a three year period. Then they came out with some even shorter ones. Historical Gospel topics essays. And what's great about them is you can send the Mormon to their own official website where they can read the same things that I might be saying, or you might be saying, and it's really hard for them to him. I took it out of context or I. Embellish the count the account to make it sound bad. It's right there. In their own material and I have referred people back to their own website. Numerous Times say go read it for yourself. Come back and let's talk about it. And that's that those essays have been great. That was I had to one. There was missionaries are coming, and and soon as I gave them their own documents, they were like They didn't come back, so yeah, so Joseph Smith the the accounting that lead up to his death. And how he actually died. the Church of Jesus Christ latter-day. Saints has a account for this. And the question I'd like to. Ask. Is it accurate, and so could you give us the history of I? The church's account of what happened. And then let's go through the real account. What happened and see if they both lineup? Okay. Let me. Let Me I. Qualify This what I'm going to be looking at or sources that the les. Church has published so that would be their account. Now, there are some details in this. Akao at have been I guess you could say whitewashed over time, but they're really entered the minor accounts, and not really all that important. I think that as Christians. We can talk to a ladder to say about the events leading up to Joseph Smith's demise, just by referring to their own resources, whether it's the documentary his of the Church, which is what they call the blue history because they were bound in a blue hardcover. And there were seven volumes. Very, well, respected history that there. Historians often went to to recap women. But then the church in two thousand, eighteen came out with a new history book called Saints The Standard of truth. and. This is the first of four volumes that are going to be released over time the second ball. You has already been released. And I, I got to be quite honest with the annual I have been amazed at. The transparency or honesty, if you will of this new history book, it brings things out that I think would probably embarrass a lot of fateful latter-day saints and I've said this Eric and I did a series on this book the first volume. I. I often made the comment that if I was not a member of the church, and I was given this by a Mormon neighbor to read about the history of more than movement, I would not join the church after reading it. Because Joseph Smith. Doesn't look all that great in this history, he looks like the a man who was a badger character had a bad behavior made dumb decisions, hardly what we would consider to be a prophet of God, because he's claiming revelations, and then a lot of these things don't happen the way. The revelation said it was supposed to happen. I'll give me an example. It talks about Zion's camp. where the camp of Israel were Mormons were kicked out of Independence Missouri. Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation from. To raise a small army and Goget that land back for the saints, well, he raises the small army, but he never gets the land back for the saints. They're actually stopped from doing that. will if I was a outside or reading account like that I would wonder what kind of a prophet is this? WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE REVELATIONS? But yet they don't seem to come forth, and certainly deuteronomy, thirteen and boot around eighteen that would be a pretty telltale test of a true or false bar profit. One is what he says going to happen, really happen. And in many. Cases, it doesn't happen. Which would show you that Joseph? Smith was a fraud. But when it comes to the death of Joseph Smith. Really it all boils down to some of the behavior that Joseph Smith was exhibiting in Nabu Illinois, which is a town that you might say the Mormons really built up. It wasn't that it was never there before it just had a different name when they moved in. It was known as Commerce Illinois, and then as the Mormon started migrating into this town, started growing like crazy in some of said, even wrote root rot rival Chicago at the time. And so Joseph. Smith of course is at this time in the eighteen forties. He's starting to marry a of women polygamous. But at the same time, this is not something that's being proclaimed publicly. Only a few select men that were very close to Joe. Smith knew about this. Many of them practiced it themselves secretly. But there were some men who became privy to us that founded abhorrent. And they decided to get together at least seven of them. In fact, I have their names here. They were William. Law Who is a member of the first presidency since eighteen forty one. Wilson Law's brother who was a brigadier general in the Nabu Legion which was like a militia that Joseph Smith had there was another guy by the name of Austin. Cowles, who is a member of the novel High Council. There was James Blake XLII. Who is a seventy now? This is still pretty pretty prominent position in the church. And then there were some prominent businessmen also involved Robert Foster. Chauncey higby and Charles Evans. These guys got together to publish. A newspaper called the Nabu X. Positive. It was meant to expose Joseph Smith's abuse of power and the fact that he was practicing polygamy secretly. and. Because of this newspaper only came out with one edition, it was supposed to be a weekly edition came out one time and early Jim. And Joseph Smith found out about it as you can imagine. He was pretty upset at what these men had said about him. Now he naturally accused them of lying, making up things or embellishing things, which that's very typical when a person has caught, that's usually the first response you know is to say it's all made up, and it's just meant to slander well. That's exactly how Joe Smith. Took it now. You have to understand Joseph Smith was the mayor of with this time, so he has some pretty significant power in this area of the state, so he has a city council meeting. And a reading from volume six of the history of the church, this is the blue bound.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

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07:48 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"So that people can see it on their. That's what so great Andrew. About these Gospel topics essays. Once they started coming out, and they came out euchre mentally over about a three year period, then they came out with some even shorter ones. Historical Gospel topics essays. And what's great about them is? You can send the Mormon to their own official website where they can read the same things that I might be saying, or you might be saying, and it's really hard for them to assume I, took it out of context or I embellish the count the account to make it sound bad. It's right there in their own material and I have referred people back to their own website. Numerous Times say go read it for yourself. Come back and let's talk about it. And that's that those essays have been great. That was I had to one. There was missionaries are coming, and and soon as I gave them their own documents, they were like They didn't come back so yeah, so Joseph Smith there. The accounting of that lead up to his death. And how he actually died. the Church of Jesus. Christ latter-day Saints has a account for this. And, the question I'd like to. Ask. Is it accurate, and so could you give us the history of I the Church's account of what happened? And then let's go through the real account. What happened and see if they both lineup? Okay. Let me, let me I qualify this. What I'm going to be looking at or sources that the les? Church has published so that would be their account. Now! There are some details in this Akao that have been I. Guess you could say whitewashed over time, but they're really entered the minor accounts, and not really all that important I think that as Christians we can talk to a ladder to say about the events leading up to Joseph Smith's demise, just by referring to their own resources, whether it's the documentary history of the church, which is what they call the blue history because they were bound in a blue hardcover. And there were seven volumes. Respected history that there. Historians often went to to recap women. But then the church in two thousand, eighteen came out with a new history book called Saints The Standard of truth. and. This is the first of four volumes that are going to be released over time the second ball. You has already been released. And I I got to be quite honest with the annual I have been amazed at. The transparency or honesty if you will of this new history book, it brings things out that I. Think would probably embarrass a lot of fateful. latter-day Saints and I've said this Eric and I did a series on this book the first volume. I I often made the comment that if I was not a member of the church and I was given this by Mormon neighbor to read about the history of more than movement I would not join the church after reading it. Because Joseph Smith. Doesn't look all that great. In this history, he looks like the a man who was a badger character had a bad behavior made dumb decisions, hardly what we would consider to be a prophet of God because he's claiming revelations, and then a lot of these things don't happen the way. The revelation said it was supposed to happen. I'll give me an example. It talks about Zion's camp where the camp of Israel were. Mormons were kicked out of Independence Missouri Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation from God to raise a small army and go get that land back for the saints. Well, he raises the small army, but he never gets the land back for the saints. They're actually stopped from doing that. will if I was a outside or reading account like that I would wonder what kind of a prophet is this? WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE REVELATIONS? But yet they don't seem to come forth, and certainly deuteronomy, thirteen and boot around eighteen that would be a pretty telltale test of a true or false par profit. One is what he says going to happen, really happen. And in many cases cases it doesn't happen, which would show you that? Joseph Smith was a fraud. But when it comes to the death of Joseph Smith. Really it all boils down to some of the behavior. That Joseph Smith was exhibiting in Nabu Illinois. which is a town that you might say the Mormons really built up. It wasn't that it was never there before. It just had a different name when they moved in. It was known as Commerce Illinois, and then as the Mormon started, migrating into this town, started growing like crazy in some of said, even wrote root rot rival Chicago at the time. And so Joseph Smith. Of course is at this time in the eighteen forties. He's starting to marry a of women polygamous. But at the same time, this is not something that's being proclaimed publicly. Only a select men that were very close to Joe Smith knew about this. Many of them practiced it themselves secretly. But there were some men who became privy to us that founded abhorrent. And they decided to get together at least seven of them. In fact, I have their names here. They were William Law. Who is a member of the first presidency since eighteen forty one? Wilson Law's brother who was a brigadier general in the Nabu Legion, which was like a militia that Joseph Smith had there was another guy by the name of Austin, Cowles who is a member of the novel High Council. There was James Blake XLII who is a seventy now. This is still pretty pretty prominent position in the LDS Church, and then there were some prominent businessmen also involved Robert Foster Chauncey higby and Charles Evans. These guys got together to publish. A newspaper called the Nabu X. Positive. It was meant to expose Joseph Smith's abuse of power and the fact that he was practicing polygamy secretly. And because of this newspaper only came out with one edition, it was supposed to be a weekly edition came out one time and early Jim. And Joseph Smith found out about it as you can imagine. He was pretty upset at what these men had said about him. Now he naturally accused them of lying, making up things or embellishing things, which is typical when a person has caught, that's usually the first response you know is to say it's all made up, and it's just meant to slander well. That's exactly how Joe Smith took it now you have to understand Joseph Smith was the mayor of with this time, so he has some pretty significant power in this area of the state, so he has a city council meeting. And a reading from volume six of the history of the church. This is the blue bound.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

Christian Podcast Community

08:15 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community

"And ecorse how many men were lost during the persecution time? They don't know in fact. The largest number I've ever heard is probably maybe fifty to a hundred men could have been killed during the time of the Mormons were being harshly persecuted I even think that's quite a bit. certainly one is too many. I don't think violence is the cure for false doctrine at all, but they brought that evidence of well. Why did you? Why did he have to marry them? In order to take care of them, that doesn't seem necessary. Why not just give the woman a stipend or checking her own apartment or place to live, and and you can take care of him that way? And then they said she said something about well. It was because of the the laws regarding land in inheritance. The problem is is since eighteen, sixty two in the Moral Act M. O. R. I L. L. named after politician. this was considered unlawful cohabitation to begin with now I know Abraham Lincoln wasn't going to enforce the moral act during the civil war as long as the warm, and stayed out of the conflict, but later on with the Edmonds Act and then the Edmunds Tucker Act they. They weren't even recognized as marriages. So how would that even help? The allied but a lot of these kids. They don't know this. They don't study their history. They're given a script and A and I always encourage people to be as polite as possible when you're going on these tours because these poor kids. You can imagine some of the questions. They probably get from even Christians probably. Let's be honest cannot be the nicest dealing with this subject. Yeah, well. I think I tried to be nice. I. Again I when we went I pretended, I didn't I. AM Jewish pretended I revealed my Judaism. Veal, my background, but we got right into the temple when she started talking about the temple. And I discussed what I knew of the Temple and When we let you basically told me that they exodus out door left really quick. And that they basically the temp the tours much longer we go upstairs. and. There was none of that they just. Have a nice day. Here's the here's the exit. Yeah I think they realize that if they have some people on the tour that are asking questions that make them feel uncomfortable. They probably have exit strategy to take us into the dining area. Remember that's the last spot where we're at. There was a dining room and right next to. It is a library, and there's a door that goes out to mainstream, and that's the end of the tour, but you're right. Sometimes I've been on tours where they do. Take you upstairs and all around the. The talk about the kids they talk about what life was like in the Beehive House and such, and then I've been on some very short tours, and sometimes I wonder why they were so short, because there was not a huge crowd waiting behind us to get in now during the summer I can understand that because they're relatively busy during the summer. That's not always been the case, but I. do like to open up for some questions because they will ask towards the end for show her. If. There are any questions and I look at that as a great opportunity to ask them things of the of the missionary, personally, when it comes to the forgiveness of their own sends a what would I have to do, if I was to join their church in order to receive the forgiveness of sins and I just let the Mormon missionary answer that, and of course the answer to that question is going to open up a whole huge discussion on how it's virtually impossible to verge of sins I, following the rules and outlines of the doctrines of the only church. We as. WanNa talk about the the real story of the death of Joseph Smith. The first question that you get asked a lot and I think we should just get it out of the way because many people think that you must be from a Mormon background. You Hate Mormons or we should say. Saints, the the proper title, and I just preface I mean no disrespect. If I say Mormon or LDS, it's just shorter. There's no disrespect. I know that they want. The full title Church Jesus Christ latter-day Saints but. For the sake of brevity I'M GONNA call them LDS or Mormon and so when when you come upon them, you have done tons of research. People always think there's got to be some. Acts that you have to grind against them that you would you devote your life to this? So were you previously a Mormon and what got into studying mormonism? I never was a I was never a member. I actually became a Christian and after I graduated from high school and I grew up with a lot of LDS friends and very nice to me. They never tried to convert me. Everything like that, but I knew who they were I knew something of their church naturalized, no a lot of the details. Because I wasn't a believer at the time I didn't care. But after I became a Christian, I had conversations with some new lds acquaintances that I had come across and started asking them some things because of my new found faith in Christ and I was just curious, and naturally a lot of these people were friends of mine and the answers that they gave me cause me some genuine concern that I would ask them well. What do you do with this passage in the Bible and and things like this and it? It almost didn't matter to them. If they didn't have a good spin on what they thought that Bible verse met. It was usually an answer we'll. That's why we have latter day revelation we have modern prophets in hospitals that are guiding the Church today, and we go by their guidance, and a lot of those things in the Bible or not absolutely necessary any longer besides they would say, things like well. We believe the Bible as far as it's translated correctly. Because that's article, eight in their articles of faith what that really means to lease the scholars. Who explained? Article Eight is, it's not so much a translation problem as it's a transmission problem there they like to argue that our Bible as it was being hand written. got a lot of mistakes. Put in there, either intentionally or unintentionally and so the Bible. We have today, even if it's a good translation, it would only be to them a good translation of a bad transmission. And, so we got big huge question mark on the liberty of the Biblical text you can see why a latter-day say once they embrace the authority structure of the church. will go along with just about anything they're being told. And that becomes a problem That's why in some cases I like to use Joseph Smith translation when I'm talking to Mormons. I should explain that. Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon Movement claimed he was told by God to come up with a new translation of the Bible, he started at nineteen thirty claims. He finished it July of eighteen thirty three but if you go through the Joseph Smith Translation and the reason why I like to use it, not that I think he did a good job on it. That's for sure, but he left a lot of the verses. Verses that I will probably be bringing up in a conversation intact. The Isaiah passages is Ahah. Forty, three, forty, four, forty, five, regarding there, only being one God you also find the fusion's two eight nine is left intact. Titus three five is left intact relations. One eight is left intact, a lot of the verses that I would probably bring up Joseph. Smith, did not touch them, or if you touch them, he didn't change the meaning. And that because very helpful when you're talking to a latter-day saints, because it's hard to say that this Bible Joseph Smith translation or the inspired version, as they call it,.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

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08:15 min | 1 year ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report

"And of course, how many men were lost during the persecution time? They don't know in fact. The largest number I've ever heard is probably maybe fifty to a hundred men could have been killed during the time of the Mormons were being harshly persecuted I, even think that's quite a bit. certainly one is too many i. don't think violence is the cure for false doctrine at all, but they brought that evidence of well. Why did you? Why did he have to marry them? In order to take care of them, that doesn't seem necessary. Why not just give the woman a stipend or checking her own apartment or place to live, and and you can take care of him that way? And then they said she said something about well. It was because of the the laws regarding land in inheritance. Well the problem is is since eighteen, sixty, two in the Moral Act M. O.. R. I L. L. named after politician. this was considered unlawful cohabitation to begin with now I know Abraham Lincoln wasn't going to enforce the moral act during the civil war, as long as the warm, and stayed out of the conflict, but later on with the Edmonds Act, and then the Edmunds Tucker Act they. They weren't even recognized as marriages. So how would that even help? The allied, but a lot of these kids. They don't know this. They don't study their history. They're given a script in a and I always encourage people to be as polite as possible when you're going on these tours because these poor kids. You can imagine some of the questions. They probably get from even Christians probably. Let's be honest cannot be the nicest when dealing with this subject. Yeah, well I think I tried to be nice. I again. I when we went I pretended I didn't I am. Jewish pretended I revealed my Judaism. Field, my background, but we got right into the temple when she started talking about the temple. And I discussed what I knew of the Temple and When we let you basically told me that they exodus out door left really quick. And that they basically the temp, the tours much longer we go upstairs. And! There was none of that they just. Have a nice day. Here's the exit. Yeah I think they realize that if they have some people on the tour that are asking questions that make them feel uncomfortable. They probably have exit strategy to take us into the dining area. Remember that's the last spot where we're at. There was a dining room and right next to. It is a library, and there's a door that goes out to mainstream, and that's the end of the tour, but you're right. Sometimes I've been on tours where they do. Take you upstairs and all around the. The talk about the kids they talk about what life was like in the beehive? House and such, and then I've been on some very short tours, and sometimes I wonder why they were so short, because there was not a huge crowd waiting behind us to get in now during the summer I can understand that because they're relatively busy during the summer. That's not always been the case but I do like to open up for some questions because they will ask towards the end for show her. If there are any questions, and I look at that as a great opportunity to ask them things of the of the missionary, personally when it comes to the forgiveness of their own sends A. What would I have to do? If I was to join their church in order to receive the forgiveness of sins, and I just let the Mormon missionary answer that, and of course the answer to that question is going to open up a whole huge discussion on how it's virtually impossible to verge of sins I following the rules and outlines of the doctrines of the only church. We as WanNa talk about the the real story of the death of Joseph Smith. The first question that you get asked a lot and I think we should just get it out of the way because many people think that you must be from a Mormon background, you hate Mormons or we should say. Saints the proper title and I just preface. No disrespect if I say Mormon or LDS. It's just shorter. There's no disrespect. I know that they want the full title Church Jesus Christ latter-day Saints but. For the sake of Brevity, I'M GONNA call them LDS or Mormon, and so when when you come upon them, you have done tons of research. People always think there's got to be some. Acts that you have to grind against them that you would you devote your life to this? So were you previously a Mormon and what got into studying mormonism? I never was a I was never a member. I actually became a Christian, and after I, graduated from High School, and I grew up with a lot of LDS friends and very nice to me, they never tried to convert me everything like that, but I knew who they were I knew. Something of their church naturalized, no a lot of the details. Because I wasn't a believer at the time I didn't care. But after I became a Christian I, had conversations with some new lds acquaintances that I had come across and started asking them some things because of my new found faith in Christ, and I was just curious, and naturally a lot of these people were friends of mine, and the answers that they gave me cause me some genuine concern that I would ask them well. What do you do with this passage in the Bible and and things like this and it? It almost didn't matter to them. If they didn't have a good spin on what they thought that Bible verse met, it was usually an answer we'll. That's why we have latter day revelation we have modern prophets in hospitals that are guiding the Church today, and we go by their guidance, and a lot of those things in the Bible or not absolutely necessary any longer besides they would say, things like well. We believe the Bible as far as it's translated correctly. Because that's article, eight in their articles of faith what that really means to lease the scholars who explained Article Eight is, it's not so much a translation problem as it's a transmission problem there. They like to argue that our Bible as it was being hand written. got a lot of mistakes. Put in there, either intentionally or unintentionally, and so the Bible we have today, even if it's a good translation, it would only be to them a good translation of a bad transmission. And, so we got big huge question mark on the liberty of the Biblical text. You can see why a latter-day say once they embrace the authority structure of the church. will go along with just about anything they're being told. And that becomes a problem That's why in some cases. I like to use Joseph Smith Translation. When I'm talking to Mormons, I should explain that. Joseph Smith. The founder of the Mormon Movement claimed he was told by God to come up with a new translation of the Bible. He started it in eighteen thirty claims. He finished it July of eighteen thirty three but if you go through the Joseph Smith Translation, and the reason why I like to use it, not that I think he did a good job on it. That's for sure, but he left a lot of the. The verses that I will probably be bringing up in a conversation intact. The Isaiah Passages Isaiah, forty, three, forty, four, forty, five, regarding there, only being one God you also find. The fusion's two eight nine is left intact. Titus three five is left intact relations. One eight is left intact, a lot of the verses that I would probably bring up Joseph. Smith did not touch them, or if you touch them, he didn't change the meaning. And that because very helpful when you're talking to a latter-day saints, because it's hard to say that this Bible Joseph Smith translation or the inspired version as they call it.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

860AM The Answer

01:35 min | 2 years ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on 860AM The Answer

"Be traced for months disappeared off the face of the earth Joseph Smith suits lawyer this have said that their client is preferred prepared to testify in front to all of the DOJ Attorney General baas DOJ and to state that his connection to Papadopoulos his initiation of communication saying I have things I can connect you to in Moscow was at the behest was requested by a western intelligence agency he was asked to do so to set a trap and that's where it all begins that makes Watergate look like an inconsequential let's wait wait and see what happens with the come through with the heights in Italy Malta aware of a but that's huge you can trust John because he's been on the money for two years and secondly his sources the the declassification of key FISA documents may be imminent the president told me he wants to declassify them because what they did was wrong well it might just happen I'm suggesting look at this is America first broadcast on the Salem radio network back to calls in.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist

Thank God I'm Atheist

03:15 min | 2 years ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist

"Hey, listen, any of our listeners, the men folk who are Masons would be familiar with a lot of what the Mormon temple ceremony. Yeah. Is like because Joseph Smith just ripped ripped it off. So there's a lot of there's a lot of repetitive talk. Yeah. There's a lot of boring lot of call and response kind of they say one thing, and and you say your little line shifts kind of say back, right? And then they and they do separate the genders. Don't they? I think they still do that the men on one side the ladies on the other. Yes, I don't think they've changed that at all that would be very confusing. If they let the genders sit together, I can't imagine. Although. I honestly don't see why not. But here's here's a little piece of of of news that just came out. I just saw it in the paper this morning. Oh, wow. I didn't pick it up as a story for the show because it just as such a single detail, but it's really interesting just along sort of the reforms with women in the temple everything the tradition when Mormons are when when they are being buried after they die right place in the coffin and the women will both both men and women they're dressed in their temple close right right in their coffin and the women would have their face veiled, right? Because that that's right of the temple clothing, these it's part of the temple cooling. So they would have. But you can also like have veiled back, right, right and the temple and then at a certain point you value face, right? All that. And but in sort of right before they closed the coffin they veil the face and she's buried away like that. And now that's optional. Oh, wow. Up to I guess the woman or the family or whatever's to like how they're going to bury mom face covered or not. And this is actually seen as like it's very symbolic, right? It doesn't really mean that much. No. But because it's just a body being buried, but like that's a big step to say that the woman gets to choose. Yeah. Right. I mean, they they don't like to say that that's a phrase. You don't hear on awful lot in Mormonism gets to choose. I mean, the woman gets to choose what's for dinner, but other than that. It's a then she better not step out of line. Either. None of that. Crazy Middle Eastern stuff in this house. Dammit, women, I told you I don't want stuffed red bell peppers anymore. Anyway, I'll go what? Which by the way, look for our new TV show coming up public a what? It's going to be on the on the FX network. Anyway. But we should talk about the temple clothing. Because that is you mentioned it you we talked about Vail. Yeah. But man, it is fun. Because here's here's the deal. Most people know about a temple garments..

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Bunny Ears

Bunny Ears

01:35 min | 3 years ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Bunny Ears

"Number of japan next year the sun abdicating the main guy they will use similize of these things at the ceremony because they are that rare only three people on the planet are allowed to lays eyes on them who i wanna spoken see those thing i would love to see this mysterious to they have them probably not exactly the if you've got something super cool you show it all the time yeah no that's true although i will say there were certain kind of apps early on in the app store thing where i wouldn't tell people where i got them because there's a little bit of if you have something really really cool like you know you kind of just him i was in a party also is joseph smith though beta oh these golden plates that you can't yet angel came and talk to me but you can't talk to him because he's gone now i was at a party and these plates totally weird i was pretty last month in a bunch of people were like it's awesome jogging where'd you get it and i was like oh i don't remember totally remembered but you see what everyone else walking around with googling my jacket thank you so imagine got the ark of the covenant execs arche covenant you got you have a magic mirror look yeah measure if you want to tell everybody where you got it like there enough that would be neat i put that wanted about like a six all those kind of things right it's anyone who claims to have i mean there's there's a there's a temple in the himalayas they claim to have a yeti skeleton oh and they don't let people see it it's that thing let me see all your shit yeah no no i mean like yeah sure i want like how about this give me a week ag get you in getty skeleton dude.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show

The Steve Deace Show

01:48 min | 3 years ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show

"Okay if as a christian i say that i don't know jesus christ as the way the truth in life no one comes under god the father but by him does that make me a big too or just robert jeffers it depends on where and to whom you say it oh so if i said to a crowd that disagreed with me i shouldn't have said it maybe okay okay okay but did how they're just many times where this is appropriate and there are many times when it's not i mean t to the ends of the earth it's not without its qualifications on the tone the setting the place i don't understand why this is so cryptic to some people there are we need to be sensitive to the region that is a tinderbox and not be the one who lights the match ma'am i wish i would have talked to you like i don't know twenty five twenty years ago before my conversion everything is starting to make sense i just have a few more questions for you mr romney as a former bishop of the mormon church do you agree with brigham young statement quote no man or woman in this dispensation will enter ever enter into the celestial kingdom of god without the consent of joseph smith and quote do you agree with that statement from brigham young i don't disagree with it another question as a former bishop of the mormon church do agree with joseph smith's statement quote all will suffer until they obey christ and quote.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show

The Steve Deace Show

02:02 min | 3 years ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show

"Nothing what did i just do i just gave you the gospel see dave it's not about m i a mormon so i'm saved or not dave it's about your name is dave and got his counted all the hairs on your head and you are fearfully wonderfully made in his image dave and he desires an intimate individual relationship dave with you dave the mormon dave the protestant dave the catholic dave the conservative dave the liberal dave you dave and if you have that relationship dave the transformation in your life will take place the fruit will be known and you'll spend forever in paradise with your creator and if you don't you won't this is why i reject your labels i don't get into your i i don't get in any of your labeling now if you have a specific question you want to ask me for example why am i not a mormon there are two reasons why i'm not i don't believe joseph smith was a prophet and i believe in a trinitaria theology i don't believe you can make and if you disagree by golly send your comments and i'd love to we'll discuss them i don't believe you can make a strictly biblical case for a non trinitaria god and that's why my opening statement was i don't believe joseph smith was a prophet because i think you have to go to sources outside at the scriptures to make the case for a non trinitaria god for example if you just relied on the scriptures to make the case for a non trinitaria god you would have to take the entire book of colossians and throw it away.

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"joseph smith" Discussed on Cults

Cults

02:02 min | 4 years ago

"joseph smith" Discussed on Cults

"The church's word joseph smith declared himself one of these profits based on his visions and communication with heavenly beams it wasnt long after the publication of the book of mormon that smith welcomed his first practitioners in the beginning the church was unified and without the fundamentalistscontemporary distinctions most members including smith practise polygamy the early church of jesus christ of latterday saints viewed plural marriages as a commandment from god and though not all men chose to take more than one wife those that did were revered in the religious community in fact smith preached that any men who married at least three lives would reach the highest level in heaven smith preached his religion fervently despite the criticisms he received from other christians it's important to note that smith was a powerful religious leader but he certainly wasn't a cult leader he cared for his followers wellbeing he built a strong safe community for his followers and began the church's tradition of abstinence from al a halt tobacco coffee and tea he encouraged his fellow mormons not to believe that the church was real because he was a prophet but rather he was a prophet because the church was real smith however was also known to be a bit impulsive and temperamental he often got into brawls with non mormons over their criticisms of his faith because of their clutch traverse your belief in polygamy smith that his followers were constantly on the move a were rarely welcomed and the communities they visited however in 1830 nine smith led his congregation to commerce illinois where he managed to get elected as the town's mayor shortly after smith change the town's name to nabu which means beautiful place in hebrew this brazen act raised tensions with non mormons enough who and the surrounding areas in the locals eyes smith at his followers were taking too much power it began a series of skirmishes between the mormons and the other townspeople in fact one of the churches runins with angry locals was what led to joseph smith.

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