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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

12:10 min | 3 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"If we still are still around our own culture in cultures on the Earth will have transformed in whatever way they do. But it's part of a much longer sweet are asleep. And the enlarging of perspectives allows for a certain spacious nece which actually supports connecting more immediately with what's needed now so it's not this perspective is not to step back from what's happening but it provides a context for relating to what's happening so that that is that is a big piece for me. He can you say more about that. Because I've heard you talk about putting things in historical perspective or even structures geological astronomical. You've talked a lot about this amazing picture. Which I google than than made made the backdrop on my wallpaper on my computer. As I recommend anybody do this is a picture called the Pale blue dot and it shows Earth seen from outer space but way way way out there in outer space and all it is is a Pale. Blue Dot barely distinguishable And it really gives you a sense. Carl Sagan has a great quote. You've you've used in in at least one of your Dharma talks about how all of the great dramas in human history of played out on this speck of dust So I find that on a normal day that kind of historical or cosmological fettes right term perspective to really useful to pull me out of my a moment suffering but right now when the threat is so close so grave. I don't I don't know I. I'm struggling a little bit with how that can be useful. Well this this. We'll touch on something that may be very challenging for people but included in everything that's happening I'm as Pale. Blue Dot is life and death but I took from. What you said is that what seems to make this current experience this perspective. Not that helpful to you in this current situation. I just wonder whether you're putting some of the consequences of what might happen outside of us. The full picture of what's happening on this table that night and I think this current situation on this has come up for me in talking to a lot of people it really raises the question. Of How have we understand it? However relating to the fact of death now what is relationship to that? Do we see that in. Whatever way comes in this? We might say well. This is kind of an extraordinary. Maybe even unnatural circumstance which is resulting in a lot of debts. But it's really not it's it's also part of nature this is this is a natural occurrence hugely challenging and it really calls to mind. Am I prepared to die? What's what's my relationship. That has come up in my own. Mind when I think especially in meeting reports of the illness in deaths. That are happening this question. Well how would I be if what happening to me right now as it could be? We don't we don't know how these things end up so that's a powerful questions that each one of us because in one way or a today might not be from this condition something so this is a. This is a huge question in life. How do we relate to mortality? And have we accepted? Are we afraid of a re? Whatever it's the exploration of how we're holding this basic basic fact existence. So this is this a big thing. That's not being talked about. Because and understandably I think people maybe like to emphasize the getting through this you know without that consequence but for a lot of people. It's not you know. This is what people are dying until vases to me addresses it's very fundamental. Question for each one of us would ever. The situation is because as I said deficit inevitable Somebody somebody once asked forget who they know this was they were asking the Bhuttos some other teachers they said. What's the cause of death birth? That is the cost of debt up and I find that I find that for myself. I find that liberating so instead of thinking. Oh death is an aberration. Was something unnatural this decision? Just this is what needs to be born and we can't control how it will happen. You know we all myself included have fantasies about how I'd like to die. You know comfortably in bed. Nice Nice comfortable pillow just closing. My eyes gently easing off to what comes next. But that's just that's just my fantasy. We have no idea how it will happen any one of us so this is a hard this this this is bringing the practice really to the depth of understanding understanding lives. What does it mean to have been born to be to be living knowing that? Don't die none. How do we understand it or are we? How are we that so? This is huge huge topic. But I find it for those willing to engage matt exploration and some aren't some for whatever reason maybe not at the place where they feel they can really look at this but at some point we will have to because it will happen for each of us and so. I think while we still have some energy flip the investigation. I think this is the time to look at that question. Okay am I ready? That questions come to mind you know and I think this is a hugely contagious virus. Especially with all the warnings for people over a certain age and I'm out in that category I could go shopping during the senior. See how and I'm way over the lower limit of senior so it's very it's a very powerful question. If I did not know of what would it be liked back was the news and the Buddha? He you know He. He recommended this reflection he said. This reflection should be done debuted. Understanding whatever has the nature to grow old to get sick and to die will rolled in second because it's just part of nature reflecting on that I think is extremely powerful and this. This is really calling calling for situations calling us to look at this. And you're saying to do this in our formal practice anytime I can do. Just going for a walk in these. This thought will come in a overly sometimes. It's really imagining that. I am dying now. It's almost like a little meditative. Visualization in a way and then trying to get a sense okay. Well how would that be would i? How am I with that but each one of us might find different ways of exploring this and there? There are a lot lots of votes in teaching about about that. That the dying this. This just feels like it's an underlying an underlying causes veterans. I fear not worry really is rooted at nets. Yeah if you want to get to. The root of anxiety might as well go to the rate is it's like a fear of death which is comment unites. So it's not. It's not a mistake that we feel that or this. This this is a common experience but we can explore it and we can investigate Navy. Come to peaceful place with it. Has that worked for you? Well it has to some extent and but I always have a little caveat will. Let's wait to see in the moment. It feels now from this moment that yeah I feel very I feel like it would be okay but I also know that you never quite not unique experience so so I'm practising now and hoping that that's actually how my mind will be in the event. Is there anything we should say? Close it on a more upbeat note. Yes that I think with all these teachings it's all about coming to a place of Peace Now a deep peace and understanding and sometimes it means looking at difficult things in challenging things. The trajectory of that investigation is greater ease and freedom and peace for cells and hopefully to be able to help others. So I see I see basically as being an uplifting process if we know how to navigate it skillfully. And that's what that's what we've been discussing and we each have EXPLO- for ourselves. What what really skillful in this difficulty. And what's just furthering the suffering? But it's all in the direction in my mind of greater understanding like that but DP says you say ain't easy ease ain't easy though. Now I do not remember back in the Sixties Seventies. There was this book written by a therapist about her working with schizophrenic patient. And all the ups and downs along therapeutic relationship and at one point The patient was basically complaining about. Just how difficult her wise therapist which was the title of the book? Said I never promised you a Rose Garden. It's not a rose card and nobody has so just remembering that. It's not that as we were on this path towards greater piece that is GonNa to always be easy. It's not just lots of difficulties and challenges but for the ups and downs. The slope of the Kurds is going in a particular direction. Always always great to talk to Joseph. I really appreciate your time big. Thanks to Joseph really appreciate him coming on and actually of Joseph he is going to be a guest on ten percent. Happier live which is our daily sanity. Break that we're doing on Youtube..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

14:18 min | 3 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"So we talked about overwhelmed. But there's the other side of it or there are other sides of it. One that's coming to mind. Is You know I experienced the overwhelm at times during the past few weeks where I just everything looked gray. This is never gonNA end. I'm grieving normal life. I want to go to the movies. My wife Millie. I WANNA go to lunch with friends I want. I don't want all of my Doctor. Friend's to get sick. I want my parents to get sick. There's so many times where I feel or I worry about. The you know my neighbor males early neighbor getting lonely there so many times where I feel overwhelmed but there you and I have talked personally about the fact that I've also experienced an. I suspect I'm not alone here. The kind of getting caught up in selfish concerns which feels. I've given myself a lot of crap about that and you. I called you last week to talk about how I felt. Kinda stuck in a loop of self obsession and worrying about my business or my health or my family's health etcetera etcetera not yet not fully or not abiding Lee connected to all of the macro issues and what you recommended a practice that I think would be useful either for those in overwhelm or for those on the other side of it which is there You know this compassion practice sometimes called to. What is it called Karuna practice gym? Can you describe it? The the formal meditation practices. Simple when when? We're doing compassion. Meditation Away so sitting and we actually imagine or visualize situation of person in a lot of suffering so a holding that image and connecting you know internally with the suffering that they're in and the phrase it is a single phase that one repeats may be free of the suffering of the suffering so an. It's quite amazing. As if one does that over a period of time. It's quite remarkable how that quality net intention in that wish villi becomes much stronger because because we're practicing and it's not to say that they won't be ups and downs that sometimes we'll be connecting with that feeling passion at the time might get quite chemical road but as with anything you know we just notice that back practice but in a general way not not limiting it to the full meditation of it. I think the important lesson here is that when we are arousing compassion loving kindness or any of these states. It's full all beings including ourselves so it's not that we can have all this compassion for the world in everybody else and not me. That's misguided you so we can include US sales in the fields. How can I help? Everyone myself included and we might add to that when considering okay happen. I'd be of help to myself. One way of adding just a little spark to the compassion side of that is we might think how command be of help to myself now in order to be able to help others including ourselves but also Indian inclusion. It's with the motivation so that we might be of greater health. Yeah it's it's it's the All star is you know took people ascending in the merge. Very hard to either one of them to help talk the other if one person manages to get on solid ground. It's easy for them to help. The other one also come out so by helping ourselves. We have the opportunity poppers and by helping others. We are helping us out. So it's mutually interdependent. This including yourself in this practice. Is that the mechanism by which we avoid overwhelmed. Well a I think it's one of place and it might be foundational because if the basis or the the fundamental question that gives rise to compassionate half my help and we are applying to ourselves in our own lives. Then we can see okay. What are we doing what? What are these circumstances that are creating overwhelm? And if we're asking the question. Is this helpful? Then then we'll be able to discern what things doing that helpful not helpful and so for example one might be just the amount of information that we're taking it. What what's the proper meant that keeps US connected genuinely connected to what's really going on at the but also not to the point of it just overwhelming us so we hold that question for ourselves but it's also in terms of watching our own minds. Shame the same thing. It's like when we see certain emotion certain patterns and we ask. This question is is helpful in that end when we see. It's not that might motivate us to just look more carefully and investigate sites late in the meditative light okay. How am I related to be Busy Martians am. I being mindful of them. Am I seeing the difference between simple recognition and acceptance? So there's a lot we can do internally with our own minds as a way of coming out of the overwhelm. We talked before about the fact that in circumstances like this people tend to come together and it can bring out our best it can also bring out our worst denial xenofobia. How do we and I get this question a lot? These days how do we retain some sense of compassion for these people at whom we might be furious because we think they're misbehaving when the stakes couldn't be higher. This question came up a lot after nine. Eleven and CY. I've been teaching and teaching on retreats In part the loving kindness meditation and I was actually teaching a retreat near New York lobbed yakkers under change and the idea of the love and kindness compassion universal that we should develop this wish everyone but when they started talking about this right after nine eleven people with thinking. There is no way that I can send loving wishes to these people who creates cell much devastation. So that was. That was a real question. I'm very interesting to me to say. Okay what does what does loving kindness compassion Nin in that kind of circumstance for these people and I realized that has to do with how we how we language it for example it might be difficult to say may be happy but I think it would not be difficult at all to wish may be three of hatred may be free of fear may be free of anger. Olas mind states that create the arm subject ended up to the current situation if we have kind of negative feelings about certain people for whatever reason and whether in reality justified or not but the reality is for whatever reason they were rising in the mind but can we just turn on mines and offer some wish them to be free of whatever harmful action we think doing so. I think that wish could come easily for anybody. I agree and I I just feel the need for. If there are new meditators suspect there may be new meditators just to clarify some terms and techniques here started by talking about basic mindfulness meditation. Were you summoned the capacity to have a non-judgmental hopefully friendly awareness of whatever's arising and we kinda switched into I called it Karuna. Practice or compassion practice Karuna being the ancient Indian sub continental la term for it So there are. There's a whole suite of practices that I think don't get enough airtime Known as there are there are lots of names from you can call them Brahma. The horror practices is kind of grandiose name of the heavenly abodes but they include things like compassion and also where you just went with it loving kindness. Which is more you know another translation for that might be sort of basic friendliness towards others and towards yourself and these practices involves sitting and systematically envisioning different people or animals and then sending silently repeating these phrases with the person or animal in mind and so the one flavor is wishing for people suffering to be alleviated. Another is that just. May you be happy. May you be Save May and I as you know and I don't want overplay my stick on this but I had some negative reactions to this practice when it was first introduced me. I still have moments where I think it's irredeemably. Saffy but you know I think of it as just a exercise for a particular muscle in the mind and as it turns out in this radical notion compassion friendliness basic. Goodwill these are. These are not factory settings that can't be tinker with. They are skills that can be developed and the development of the skills can be a little awkward a little cheesy but if I were to land from another planet in a gym while the gyms are all closed right now but six weeks ago I landed from another planet went to gym and saw people running in place for extended periods of time or picking up heavy things in putting them down in a systematized fashion. That look deeply unpleasant. I would think this is crazy but in fact these are somewhat awkward skills. We now take for granted for developing physical muscles. And what we're talking about here are skills that may sound a little tree that actually work and their science to back them up a lot of science around these sort of compassion or love and kindness practices that show that they have all sorts of very interesting and physiological psychological and behavioral impacts. I just felt the need to get that out there. One of a phrase that I found really helpful in terms of understanding. How it all works you know with with any of these campuses wrote a mindfulness compassionate loving kindness that it's it's just strengthening those neural pathways Drained and I just for me. That's a very vivid image of yet more tactics to sit that gets strengthen the more it becomes the default of how living in so as you said it definitely is a practice and Kim transform our inner environment. Yeah just the way if you pick up a violin. The areas of the brain associated with manual dexterity will change. And if you start practicing just by picking up its player well for me. Just picking up most mortals. Yeah so here's the final area. I wanted to explore with you. I just wonder just looking at this moment of history in history as you view it and I imagine you view most things through a Buddhist Lens. What what comes to mind for you? I'm a great lover of his through history. It's all kinds until my mind's very naturally goes to kind of a very long term perspective on things and just when I think back you know over over star time the just have been so many huge changes in societies the rise and fall of civilizations and plagues and pandemics before and just all kinds of things have happened in the broad sweep of history and somehow putting this in that context for me it creates a sense of a certain sense of spacious nece which allows for the immediacy of connection with what's actually happening now with a certain kind of inner balance knowing that yeah. This is a huge thing. Now one hundred years people will be looking back at As particular event in history that at all if these consequences but has gone.

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

01:42 min | 3 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"And Are we just doing it almost Out of addictive quality. We're getting a maximum discussing earlier. The holding the question in a lot of these different situations is this helpful. And just having that question come to mind so as we're taking things in just a little background is. Is this helping in some way to here? This is it opening my heart in some way. So then we want we want. We want to hold that space. And it's it's it's just an interesting combination of how to express it that it's connecting to the suffering in feeling that in some way but also connecting to the uplifting aspect of compassionate response. So it's just an interesting. It's an interesting union of if we if we are coming close to suffering open into it in a wise wet the something beautiful Arts as we do that that does not that doesn't change the suffering. That's going on but it does change the quality of our relating now no no way it's it's more uplifting when we're holding that question how can I help. Is this something I could do. Because that's taking us out of our own fear or when we hold that question stay tuned..

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

14:11 min | 3 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Of your breath coming in and going out and then when you get distracted this is the key. Move when you get distracted which you will millions and millions of times. It's all good. Just start again and again and again there is the next step up as I understand it is. You can start to get curious about what has distracted you. What has taken you away from your breath and that is where you can use these little mental notes. Which you've described as kind of a whisper in the mind to objectively journalistically label. What heretofore might have been a monolithic powerful force that that was completely owning. You and you had no distance on like pain or planning or plotting revenge against your noisy neighbor or fear or whatever you can notice. Oh Yeah I was on my breath for half a nanosecond and then I spent five minutes worrying and then you can wake up and apply very softly silently in your mind. The note of worry and that in my experience really provide you with some useful distance from the. It's it's like the self distancing you referenced the beginning of this conversation so have I have. I just totally misled listeners. Or are we on the right path? I'm retiring then back. Yeah so I would just add one little bit and you imply but I wanna just call it out a little bit. So in the use of this could also be used even as a support for just being with the vet for example or in walking so it doesn't have to be limited to the thoughts of emotions. The take us away. It could also be support for keeping US grounded in the moment with very simple things so the note for example with Beth might be in. Ouch or is in full? Feeling the veteran the chest abdomen. Take misstep stepping as well as you know everything you mentioned tense really name these powerful forces in the mind that that can easily carry us off a very interesting. Exercise is to simply a notice the tone of Voice of the note. So not only is the whisper. In terms of volume. You know the noting should be very soft as you said it just like a whisper but also what's the town because the town of the note will often reveal an unnoticed attitude about what's happening as an example so we wake up from a long train of thought and then we know even softly thinking thinking this atone of judgement or version in the note? So that's not so helpful except we noticed it so then it's revealed to us that we're actually adding to the basic. Mindfulness of this is what happened with adding our state of reactivity which we may not notice but the tone of the note will be delivered to us. So it's just something to keep in the background if if people are using the noting softly just watch the tone is. It is a kind of a loving Tom. I don't WanNA overplayed this But not I'm not generally a fan of conjuring a loving tone for anything but My Friend Jeff Warren With whom I wrote a book about meditation has a little mantra that he uses. When when you notice when you're tempted to be angry at yourself for whatever it is you've noticed so you might notice thinking or planning or fear and you might notice that you're angry at yourself for that thing for that emotion having been there in the first place you can use the little phrase welcome to the party. I one of the interesting things about factors for me over. These many years is exploring investigating our own particular tools. Each one of us will have different creative ideas of how to accomplish the right balance in the mind the I love that now. Welcome to the POTTY Jaja. It's okay that that that that was one of my favorite phrases It's okay it's okay to seal its suggest the reminder that can be hoping to conceal it and the open this actually creating the space for it to wash through flow through more easily than if we were an adversary towards whatever it is so that's an important that's an important a profound lesson to learn that what we have when we have aversion to something where actually feeding it even though. We think that the aversions can help us. Get rid of it. It's the relaxation of the mind. The opening welcome to the body. It's okay that space allows for the natural flow permanence. That happen so this is this is really a key point and I want to be super practical about this. This is not just some nice way to spend some time. This has real world implications because our thoughts and emotions are so often unseen and therefore incredibly powerful to be able to interrupt in a gentle way the patterns can really change how you show your inner weather and as a consequence how you're showing up in the world. Sam Harris our mutual friend Once was interviewing you on his podcast which used to be called waking up is now called making sense. It's excellent under whatever name. He interview years ago. I recommend everybody to go back and listen to those conversations. He's had with you because they're amazing and he used a beautiful phrase. I thought where he talked about the half life of anger. In this case he was talking about. Anger might be more relevant now to talk about fear but he using any emotion left to its own devices will arise and pass reasonably quickly. But we re up and re up the emotion through neurotic obsession and so there's the amount of damage you can do in two minutes of anger which is probably its natural half life the amount of damage you would do. In four minutes of of anger compared to the amount of damage you would do an an hour or two hours or a day or a lifetime. It's incalculable and that's where that's one of the ways in which the rubber hits the road here so I think that expresses it really clearly It is very interesting. This is where the strengthening and cultivation in practice of mindfulness it's like it sharpens shop our observational capabilities. It's it's like it's like focusing the lanes savant mind so we all have some view of what's going on but often is not totally clear if we haven't really practiced close attention and careful attention and as we do that. It makes it a lot easier for us to become aware that these emotions to become mindful of recent in the first place. So that gives us more opportunity to settle back. And let them be and follow their own. HALF-LIFE DISINTEGRATION. If we're not mindful it's Kinda would just caught up in the story of them so that's as you said we can. We can get caught up in them. For long periods of time in the star keeps me painting and expanding and emits a still more warranted more fearful. So it's really important that we learn how to step out. Step off a bat train again. That self distancing. We began by talking about what you recommend in terms of meditative tools for dealing with this current moment. We talked about mindfulness body. Mindfulness of emotions was there. Something else. A yeah saw I mean I think that's what we talked about. It is really good place to start this a lot. Because he's been years practicing while we just talked about. It's very rich. There's another whole domain. That's of interest in it. And that is seeing has situations of suffering and distress can actually be the fertile ground for compassion to arise it. I'd say it really coming up strong late in myself especially on a here about reading about what's happening in some places in the world. That's not happening right here. Now for me. In my small circle. Urine Barry but it's very much out there and some of the stories are really The level of the level of suffering difficulty in challenge. Now people losing their jobs. Losing on a huge to be willing this. This itself is a is a certain art to this in that I find it really helpful to be willing to let that talked about. How Compassionate rises when we're willing to close to suffer by that that's the basis for compassion young. Let me see you feel suffering others and so we willing just to to take some of this information in which is. There's a lot of it now on the one hand and on the other hand really being mindful about when it gets to overwhelm because there's so much information it would be easy to just start taking all of us in and feel overwhelmed and then which is not very helpful stating that doesn't help us if anybody else so there's a fine line man you know being willing to really be open to feel what's happening outside of our own small circle but to do it in a in a wise way and that compassion then. I. It's I think it's a very noble in calling for for us for the Mind in art when we're feeling compassion in those moments when not feelings here and we're not feeling other unskillful unhealthy states. We're cultivating cultivating a mind. Heart with with a quality that's really beautiful and uplifting and it can become the basis than for just simply asking each one of US asking the question okay given my own particular circumstances in life skills and interests what's possible. In what way might I be able to help as we talked about in the beginning? So the stronger. The compassion stronger that the energy will be behind question. And it's it's hard to know you know we're all in very different circumstances and there could be just a whole range of ways of helping. Maybe it's just helping one person that we're closely connected to. Maybe it's helping neighbors. Maybe the friend maybe making donations to organizations doing frontline mark related different possibilities if we hold the question and then staying open to just opportunities for how we might be held so that that I think is that this development the willingness to take in the magnitude of. What's going on for a lot of people taking care not to be getting overwhelmed so we have to do it in a measured way but then leading that really be the. The field for compassionate global in terms of this issue of overwhelming might be useful to discriminate in Between empathy and compassion generally empathy is talked about as feeling other people's feelings. Compassion is amphitheater plus the desire to help. Even if you don't act on it it's just the desire to be of use. Then it's that addition that makes it a noble empowering as opposed to stuck and powerless perfectly. Set dead. Thank you. That's all I want you to hear stars all around But gets I wanted to make that clear but then get to a question? Which is in terms of overwhelm? What do you recommend for example? What your how are you tight trading your news conceptions well? I I've just in simplest possible way. The amount of time we spend watching the news Going online ammends just to see how much is serving us. And one point did not service..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

12:41 min | 3 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Greatest living meditation Masters Joseph Goldstein. I'll admit I'm biased. Of course because Joseph is my meditation teacher I've known him for many years and he had an incalculably positive impact on my life. In fact he's already come to my rescue once during this pandemic at a moment when I was personally struggling and now I am very excited to unleash him on all of you in this conversation. He lays out a meditative tool kit for navigating the current crisis. His advice is actionable for absolute beginners as well as longtime meditators toward the end of the conversation. You'll hear he proposes one. Approach that some of you may find a little bit challenging but I find extremely compelling. I spoke to him from his home. In Barre Massachusetts that central Massachusetts he and Sharon Salzberg and other great meditation teacher. Who's on the show? Last week. They live in a separate but connected houses on the grounds of the insight. Meditation Society which they co founded along with Jack Cornfield back in the nineteen seventies when the video connection Popped up we use a program that allows me to see my guests when we record this podcast remotely which we're doing for every episode these days when when the video connection popped up? I notice that Joseph was beaming. I would like to believe that this was because he was happy to see me but the truth is he's pretty much always like that. I want to stress. It's not that he is not taking this current outbreak seriously. He is taking it seriously. Seventy five years old. He knows how vulnerable he is but I believe he beams on the regular because he has genuinely achieved a level of peace equanimity in the face of whatever happens. But as you'll hear US discuss peace ain't easy it takes practice and you are about to learn from one of the best so here we go. Joseph Goldstein before we dive in any Any questions or concerns for me. Be Nice to be always nice to you. Well you know. Most of the time on his teaching I know all right. So let's dive in. I want to start with a broad question. Here we are at this incredibly intense moment in human history and I guess I'm I'm just wondering what's what's on your mind these days while there are basically two two big themes that I think a card to people which is you know. How do we take care of ourselves in the face of all has an also to just explore what ways we be able to be of some help? Those are the two things that are on my mind keeping up to date with various guidelines and information. That's coming to us. You know about the health aspect of it And taking care and then really wondering in the midst of this as we a- practicing social distancing at least in person but with the availability of all you know everything that's online so the question is you know on ways that we can be of help to others in this situation. Those are the two two streams of questioning interest. I'm curious to hear more about how you're handling this personally. Because you've been pretty open in the past about how one of the emotions that you've personally wrestle with both in your life in your practice is fear so is is fear coming up for you right now Not so much in this situation at this point because living in Barrie Massachusetts is a very quiet secluded place as many other places you know. We closed closed center for at least a couple of months. So I'm living in a pretty quiet isolated country environment and practicing self distancing social distancing itself distancing as well as a very Buddhist take on the situation disc distancing from the south so. I'm not so immediately concerns. You know for myself in this but I'm taking I'm taking care with following guidelines so for me personally theater is not predominant but then when I just read about her year about you know what's happening in so many places around the world and normally of what's going on incredible challenges for people in situations of real suffering so Ryan aroused. It's just a lot of never really care and compassionate and wondering okay. Is this something I could do. Even from this place of physical isolation is this. Is this something that might be upheld with that. That's an interesting question for many of us. I mean in your case I can see pretty clearly how you can help. Even though you're stuck at home by for example can dragoon you into hopping on the phone with me to help me deal with my own personal prowse as I did a few days ago or I can get you to come onto this show which is way more helpful to the wider world. So you can do that. You can also guide meditations from home. Yeah you have a lot of options but what about the rest of us? How can we be helpful? When we're at home watching Netflix. Well talking going back again to these two streams of response you know both the response to physical reality in taking care of one's health protected once health and others I think the same responsibility really and challenge of taking care all minds and that's true whether wit in physical contact with other people or not because a minds will be responding to the situation in a whole variety of which some of which may be helpful but as we know in villa quite natural. They'll be a lot. That's coming up in the mind. That may not be helpful. If we're getting overwhelmed by anxiety goes here or worry which is natural you know especially people facing really challenging circumstances but then the question is can we take care of our own minds in the same way that we try to take care of the health concerns and this is something we can actually do? Anybody can do if they have that interest in exploring what's going on in their minds variously margins that are rising and perhaps learning more skillful ways of being with difficulty functions. Now so that and that's GonNa have an effect on on everybody around us whether they're around us in physical proximity or around us virtually if we have found some way to place a somewhat calm. He eats understanding. Then that's what we'll be sharing with others and if we're lost in the difficult emotions then that's what sharing with others. The work that we do on our cells will inevitably have an impact on everybody. We come into contact with one way or another reminded me of something. I've been saying a lot. I probably still this from somebody smarter. I can't remember who anyway for now. I'm GONNA take credit. What I've been saying. Is that while? Panic is contagious. Com is contagious to her. Exactly exactly very often in situations difficult situation where a lot of people are agitated said fearful or whatever. Sometimes if there's one wise calm person in the group Can often have a transformative effect. And so I think the way the challenge is can we each become at a little more understanding to the circumstances and in this case for people on the frontlines of the health pandemic bringing one? Kind of expertise. Another kind of tax petits exploration is the exploration of our minds hearts and how relating to what's happening and that's where some form of meditative understanding factors in terms of watching online can be In terms of watching our minds in terms of meditation specifically. How do you recommend that we practice in this time allotted preps the simplest and most basic thing we can do is learning to see when we grounded in the present moment and went on mind is lost in future scenarios because a lot of the difficulty motions? I think are coming when imagining what might happen in the future. Olaf with some people in the midst of what's going to happen in the future for the rest of us so it's not too it's not to minimize the current difficulty but even in that case being grounded in the present allows us to respond more effectively either to a very difficult situation now or to let go of the anticipated difficulty. That's just the play thoughts so then the question is will how. How can I stay grounded in the present not nice to Nice trope but how do we actually do it and I think the the easiest way to talk about this? A lodge is really practicing. Mindfulness of the body because the body's always with us. It's obvious it's tangible. It's something that we can easily come back to when we all lost in the an imagination lines and I found that one part of the practice of coming back to the body coming back to present is really being mindful of a movement now just walking ordinary. We're not even aware that that could be a really good thing to do it. Because I would suggest to people who like to really dive into this a little deeper that in addition to whatever fumble sitting practice people may be doing to maybe take some period of time. You know ten minutes fifteen minutes. Five minutes of walking meditation even ones apartment just five steps one one direction five steps another direction or not in in meditate or just in any kind of movement that we do through the day. Because we're moving allot. Can we practice remembering to feel about him? Moving it's not hard to it. It's hard to remember to do but it's not hard. It's not hard to feel feel about a movie now. We take a step and we feel touch the foot on the floor. So that's very obvious. Very simple but we forget with the get to do that. That becomes a practice. The mowing practices than it can become and will become the default setting of our minds as we move about through the day just doing the ordinary things up the morning. Jesse wash the dishes cooking. Whatever the body's always with us it's obvious we move a lot in the course of the day. Can we be mindful movement and so there's a mantra his little mantra that is I've used on retreat. But his very applicable here. Very simple this little mantra Freddie's each step each step will not saying okay for the next hour. I'm going to be mindful of every step I take. That intention is too big. You know we're GONNA lose it after after the third step we're GONNA forget get lost but if we bring it back down to each step cannot be mindful of this. Step misstep so one step at a time. It's not difficult at all so the mantra the phrase just reminds us that we actually can settling that feeling of the body moving just each step one step at a time. That's doable.

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Daniel Goleman: The Mind and Meditation

The Wisdom Podcast

09:41 min | 3 months ago

Daniel Goleman: The Mind and Meditation

"I have the pleasure of speaking with Daniel Goldman to claim psychologist and author of several books including the international bestseller emotional intelligence. Why Can Madam Molden? Iq Daniel has written extensively on the connections between human psychology science and contemplative practice and their practical applications in both leadership and in everyday life in this conversation. Daniel talks about his early years at Harvard where he earned his PhD in psychology and how encounters with great teachers such as Ramdas took Kunar remedy and many others would pave the way for his research on meditation and Non Western theories of mind unlike he studies in psychology which largely focused on the content of the mind. By-pass enough focused on the process. Which was tremendously exciting Daniel. He then discusses how mindfulness and meditation topics not will receive. Graduate advises have evolved within the United States and within American culture most profoundly. Daniel discusses his most recent work on climate change. He off is extraordinarily astute insights on how the human mind grapples with the difference between imminent verses symbolic threats and how these translates into the world of capital consumerism and personal responsibility he also shares his thoughts on how Donald Practitioners My contrbute to these calls. Especially I so much enjoyed this conversation and I hope you do too so I thought to start with awesome you so. You're a graduate student at Harvard and went to. India is that is that rushing seventy might travelling companions on the trip. Were someone known as Jeff. Cable? Who's called Krishna? Dos The devotional singer. Another friend was released for DOS. Who just lose writing books with Rhonda's because I had met Ramdas quite by accident cosmic what you would say tender auspicious coincidence or something but My Freshman Freshman Trish during graduate school. I was writing a paper suicide over the Christmas. Oh holiday and I get a knock on the door of my apartment in Cambridge in. It's a woman why never seen before. And she had run into a friend of mine who had been in a communal house in Berkeley. Who's going around the world? And he had sent a letter to me that she was the currier four and she had been in a monastery in Nepal where she met a an American. A guy named Bongolan not rundown. Yes and basically she. I have two things to do here. One is delivered this letter to you. The second is to visit this guy. The BAGUA DOS it. I really shouldn't need and the third was to go to my sister's wedding but she backed out and so that was why she came to America. So I said well I'll take you to meet this person you know. Your Christmas is writing on suicide. We ended up driving up to New Hampshire in there in this farm house. Luxuriance funhouse in a small room. Upstairs was this guy all white along there but no Julia was and he had all these weird pictures on the wall turned out to be Hindu deities and we watching remit and nobody said anything. I never been in a social situation where nobody said anything but I went along with it. And then after a while he spoke and it turned out he was Richard Alpert now. Rhonda's just come back from India and it turned out also that he had been fired from the program at Harvard that I was enrolled in a graduate student. Also I was on the graduates to school colloquium committee which meant I could invite him to come back and speak. Nice which I which was the first time he'd been back to Harvard since he was fired. And so you know he was on fire. He was really full of shocked as they say just back from India and he started. He came give a lecture started. Seven ended it too and to bribe janitor lettuce sticky two. Am to work. And I began to go to a kind of a summer camp that he was running his father's place in the Hampshire where I visited him. This was in the summer and after two rounds I found out that might fill ship to harbored included. A traveling challenge ship nice and I had a wonderful mentor at Harvard David McClellan who actually had hired fired leary and so what did he think about your little excursions to bomb. While he was a devout quaker and he was very interested in meditation so it seems glad that I was getting into this because none of it all is other graduate students. Were like all its study the need to achieve from the you know also you riding on suicide just WanNa go back to that in. What was was there any in that compelled you to write. Oh I had been at a teaching assistant in a course on death and dying talk. Guinan and I had gotten access to about several hundred suicide notes for Bailey Corner. Yeah and you know it's just a you know you study stuff in doubt. I mean I wasn't suicidal. But yet you had interesting death and dying or was that interested. Dr. Not like a personal interest but kind of academic academic India okay and so I should give it back on. My father was professor humanities and my mother was a social worker and I think I got a a kind of implicit value system. It was a very ecumenical. He taught a course called autobiography of civilization which was world literature so it a very lot instead of Sanskrit actually version Among other languages his best friend was the guy who founded the Asian Studies Department at Berkeley? No so I had this kind of view of the world which was larger than just Western yesterday so I was very interested in going to India but I found could In graduate school because Ron dos made me think oh I'd love to meet his guru yet girly Bob Him. You Know No. I'd never met anyone like him of the KARMAPA sixteenth city. Zuma Sitter Sixteenth Mama's yeah and They meant didn't see each other enough. Say met but Lama nor law whose retreat master for College Berries who was close to carmont stayed within croly Baba for two years and I think maybe he told them I never got the story of how he knew anything again. But anyway and Because this was nineteen seventy s very early. A lot of the wonderful lauman's the very shall we say far advanced llamas on the path from Tibet were still alive and Christopher Dawson and I met coup Air Fiche who is very humble. Wonderful being reviewed seem around dawn. You know mumbling all money. I when I saw going around the Stupa and people come and see him day and night and he was always happy to see. Whoever came which I contrasted with my professors at Harvard were world famous psychologist. You could see them like two to three on Tuesday office hours so anyway. Long Story Short coup. Who was wonderful and I didn't know till decades later with he was the teacher of the Dalai Lama on Compassion Chari out the time. You would certainly never say so. He had been offered the kind of the presidential suite with top sweet. And the monastery top floor didn't want he stayed in a very small room had little wooden bed. That was it was very simple. It beautiful way so I met him and kind of made it my business to look around I. I ended up studying the Pasta with Joseph Goldstein. Who was in residence of the Burmese? Mahara I think. Joseph was little horrified that other Westerners were showing up and Manindra had invited his friend going Kaji to give up his second course for Westerners and I went back and gave a talk at the conference on Yoga and Therapy Deli and told people there that there was going to be sub ten day retreat and when the people audience was named Sharon Salzberg cow and so she came to book Guy Learn how to meditate the rest is history was charged with Joseph of course so we go way way back to nineteen seventy really

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Sharon Salzberg Makes Me Feel Better

10% Happier with Dan Harris

06:40 min | 3 months ago

Sharon Salzberg Makes Me Feel Better

"Sharon. Thanks for coming appreciate that. Well thank you coming. Is The odd term. Really kind of staying by us. Exactly he didn't. You didn't have to go anywhere for this over to the computer. How how are you doing in a shelter in place? Well I'm I'm doing pretty well in Barre Massachusetts in my home and it's it's pretty peaceful and I mean obviously I go through all kinds of things like everybody else you know anxiety and sadness It just feels like the enormous unknown and when I reframe the current experiences kind of being on retreat than I think a right to do this just for the uninitiated Barre Massachusetts B. A. R. E. Massachusetts is in central mass which is You you have a house on the grounds of insight Meditation Society which You co-founded With Jack Cornfield and Joseph Goldstein. Many many years ago But I'm interested to hear you say that you go. You're going through a lot and and other things I think. I think that's actually useful for for US civilians to hear that venerated. Meditation Future has Feelings yes well. I mean the anxiety I think is some biological. You know it's like Whoa. And then I am just grateful all the time for the kind of training I had through meditation practice. So for example. It's it's that conjecture about the future. Like what if this happens that happen? You know the insight Meditation Society will be able to open. When will it be able to open? How would it be know? And I think you don't know anything you know. This is all useless. It's useless expenditure of your life energy. Just come back to the moment deal with what's in front of you remember to try to stay connected to others and that's all. I can do right now so I'm just so grateful that I've had all these years of watching my mind go off and remembering in the kindest way most gentle way. Just come back you know deal with what's in front of you. You said you. Very graciously agreed to come on our new ten percent happier live experiment. Where we're doing live guided meditations in the afternoons. And you said something that has really stuck with me. Which is that. There's this thing about anxiety the not knowing is actually not that bad. What is bad? I'll stop saying it you. You Continue Survey says that in in my experience of sitting with fear and Kinda the perspective of mindfulness. Let's say if you're sitting and experiencing something like fear you're not particularly concerned with what you're afraid of. You Know How could resolve or how did you get to the sorry place? You should be better than this but actually looking at the feeling itself so it's a kind of a bit of attention and when I've done that and I've looked at fear in my body I've looked at fear kind of the play fear in my mind what I've seen a for me. That despite the world's pronouncements that we're afraid of the unknown which of course can be true. I'm mostly afraid when I think I do know and it's GonNa be really bad. It's the stories that I tell myself that. Really get me going and even in the midst of that if I remind myself you know what you don't know then there's space and is actually kind of a relaxation or or piece right there. I that really lands for me. I wouldn't have been able to articulate that but it's it's exactly that that I think what I don't like is the uncertainty. But what I really don't like is the horror movie. I'm making my own Ma. Yeah of course we invest in it. You know it's like it's creation than than we claim it as necessarily true Su. I'm just walked me through a moment how it goes in your mind in an actual moment of anxiety. What for you after decades of practice. What happens in your mind when you notice? You're spinning off. Well I mean part of it is you know it's very physical. My heart starts beating faster and and I can feel. This is just a certain kind of energy moving through my body and then. I watched the thought start to play out. You know I this is going to happen. That's going to happen. And what if we can ever opened again on what if that you know and then if I remind myself either you not now or just breathe. Just take a breath. You're not going to resolve this entire problem on behalf of the world right now on. Chug just take a breath. Come back to yourself. It's oddly enough. It's the same gesture of the mind that I had so much contempt for when I first heard about meditation. I thought that's stupid. Thank you put your mind somewhere and it goes off somewhere else and you let go and you come back. I thought I was in India and I thought I came all the way to India for this. Like it's ridiculous you know but there. It is all these years later and in the midst of extremely intense situation like the same gesture of the mind and I think how amazing to have been practicing us. And what's empowering I think for me and I hope for anybody. Listening to this is that you could get better at this if you do it for fifty years but you can have done it for a couple of weeks a couple of months a couple of years and anybody can do what you're describing this right and. I think it's the regularity of practice I don't think it takes such a long time to kind of reinforce that muscle group and then you remember like in the middle of a conversation with somebody you know. Were you starting to feel that particular anxiety or you realize something and you. You're not sure you really did it. Properly whatever it is you know and you can feel that kind of thing so you can do it right there. You know you have the physical signal of what's happening in your body and that's reminding you okay take a breath. Just come back. Let's deal with what's

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

1:46:32 hr | 10 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

13:57 min | 10 months ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"We've had this podcast. Finally Joseph Goldstein is on the show. I feel a little bit like big bird talking about his best friend's snuffle off against because I've been talking about Joseph Goldstein on every other podcast episode since we started rolling low these many years and yet he's never come on but finally we got him to sit down here in the studio and take some questions and it was awesome as you are are about to hear in case you've never heard of Joseph since we dive right into questions about meditation and had a practice how to bring out in your world in this episode we don't dive too deeply into his background so let me just give you the the thirty second version of that. Joseph went to Columbia University graduated graduated in the sixties and that was when the Peace Corps was getting started. He ended up in Thailand. he was a philosophy major and SORTA SORTA got interested in going to a local monastery Buddhist monastery in Thailand to talk to the monks about Buddhist philosophy and they ultimately got him meditating and fifty years later at at age seventy-five maybe more than fifty years later he went deep deep deeply into the practice spent years and years in Asia's as a younger man studying intensively came back in the seventies and along with Jack Cornfield Sharon Salzberg started a place called the insight meditation Meditation Society in Central Massachusetts which is a fantastic retreat center where Joseph now lives and teaches and works he has also also in his later years from my opinion distinguished himself as as one of the guiding teachers on the ten percent happier APP share he and Sharon or both the founding and guiding teachers on our APP and Joseph has created a ton of content on the APP. He's really along with Sharon kind of the heart and soul of the thing we've we've done all of these amazing courses where I've gotten to sit down and talk to Joseph and his wisdom for lack of a less grandiose term kind of just lose is is through the frame and so I think one of the areas of the M- of pride for me and then there are many in this APP is that I'm bringing Joseph's awesomeness out into the world both through the videos that we've done and also the hours and hours of guided meditations that he's done for us that are up there by by the way just a little plug for the APP. If you want to check it out and you haven't you can get seven days for free one housekeeping note about Joseph is that he and I are actually doing a public event together on Thursday December fifth in New York City. It's a benefit for the New York insight Meditation Center. full link is in the show notes. I encourage you to come. Check it out. another item of business related to Joseph is that in a few days we're going to post a free guided meditation from him in this podcast feed final. I don't think I'll say before we dive in here is that I've had an extremely privileged life on many levels and very lucky dude one of the luckiest things things that has ever happened to me in this very lucky life is meeting Joseph befriending him and having him as my meditation teacher personally he has had an enormous impact on me. Much of what I do in the world is directly a result of the work. I've done with him so Joseph. I love you and thank you for coming on the show here we go. We've had more than two hundred guests on the show celebrities. These athletes scientists meditation teachers do all of them willing to come on the show. I haven't had to twist any arms and for all that time I haven't been able to get you on the show so I guess my first question. Why do you hate me so that's uh-huh overcome now. I'm really happy to have you on the show. I've talked about you. All the time on the shows are going to be pleasantly surprised fries to finally have enough of this show normally I start by asking people. How do they get into meditation but failed that forced you to tell that the story many times and earlier today we had Jackdaw and for the listeners that will actually be several weeks ago before they hear your your interview so several weeks ago we had Jack on and I started. I started with a question that was recommended by two people. Independently one is but both in the ten percent happier universe wants Jay Michaelson and the other is car ally or so. Their question was very interesting I'm really interesting to hear your answer to this. What in the teachings is for you right now. The most challenging where do you have the most trouble applying mindfulness aside from your distaste for me. I think you know within the Buddhist teachings. There's a list of ten qualities which are called the power. Me's are the projections of the Buddha. You know so that these qualities of mind that only to be developed for awakening things like generosity and kindness wisdom concentration things like that but the one the one power may that needs the most work for me. I think is a department of Renunciation and so that's where I see you you know in different desires come up in the mind that can be too small things or you know big thing the tendency of my my mind is oh. That looks great. Let's go forward and so those moments now. I don't really need that or I didn't. I didn't have to do this that moment of seeing the desire and actually practicing initiation. That's the one that I'm working working on. I think a lot and every time I do actually not go for the second. Whatever whatever the desire is feels like this great Marl Marl victory you know Mara. I've conquered you for this moment anyway. We'll show you what who's Mara Mara. Within the Buddhist teachings things is kind of the embodiment of ignorance of delusion and so often representatives the temperature you you know that that forcing the mind that wants to seduce us into attachment in clinging. You've pointed this out many times in your talks. I've listened to your Tux and talk to you directly so many times that I'm pretty sure plagiarizing you nonstop. I don't feel any guilt about it but I'm just saying you have said many times in your talk you pointed out that the Buddha we all think of as I guess maybe perfected or something like that is is in the scripture right there in the scriptures which are his purported to be his words saying Mara. ICU and obviously the the temptation Asian is still a rising for for him in his mind well this this goes to a point of controversy among certainly among contemporary. Western Ashton would as teachers not quite sure how you know are Asian teachers would view this but mark can be understood in two ways from the point of view of the classical teachings not is the forces of ignorance in the mind but also actually as being you know who so this is the traditional explanation you know the the Mars kind of the King of the highest heaven realm and his mission is to keep all beings in snared in the round in the round of since the lights incense pleasures so the classical. They don't make it to his level. They could be reborn that but that's not awakening. That's just a nice vacation plus in realm and so he's fine that that or she or whatever whatever gender again this is the sort of this the classiest religious yeah yeah so in that case you know in the Buddha says mar a c. you from that interpretation. It's actually in reference is to a being so it's not the force of craving or desire in his own mind so that and is among contemporary contemporary certainly western mood as teachers Visit Division of opinion about whether it's really like that whether it's just Mars just you know a representation of what's in our minds so that's one way of understanding it. Where do you fall on this. I tend to lean towards it's the classical view since that's my general needing anyway of Mara as being but I could also imagine but this this would be a very interesting in subtle point to engage with someone about whether there's a possibility of for example desire arising in the mind but with with no hook at all as as if it were just another thought there was no no inclination Geno conditioning to gopher to act on it which is a little different and it's different than what some people how some people have interpreted desire arises in the mind but the Buddha didn't identify with it so that's one explanation of that Mara I see you but I see is subtle distinction between desire arising in the mind with Israel desire but it's not identified with being different than desire just as a thought thought but there is really no desire in it. There's no there's none of that greed even embedded in that thought you you know so. This is a very subtle distinction and of course there's no way of resolving this show having a conversation with the Buddha fast okay what what really is going on in your mind as we could ask you that that might illuminate this topic desires fully charged batteries charged out there for you. It's so interesting for me to hear me. I guess I kind of knew this but for are you to the desire comes up and there are you taking. This date occasionally Lewis again. I think I know some of this but what gets you going could be and but you wanna tell me you can't resist resist shoe salesman. I can resist the salesman I can resist. The shoes really like a guilt thing completely completely codependent dependent the salesman actually bring maybe because my shoes my size is so big. It's heavy to carry so is fourteen shoes out. I feel you know they did all this work. I feel compelled so that's why like online but it could be anything could be for example even on retreat or or free trade to something smaller. Come Up. You know a cup of tea would be nice so it's just a it's not a it's not a significant desire but the force of desire is there and I can watch my mind just be aware of it and let it go let it come and go but it's almost like a blade of grass pollen shoe you know growing up through concrete. Crete the four even with a small desire the force of it can be very persistent and so I've noticed so many times you know watching the desire come and go many times and then it comes once more and act on it so it could be something as small as that or could be anything. You know walk in here. I don't get to New York that often so walking down you know just window shopping serving either gadget or some piece of clothing. Oh that'd be nice yeah and mostly they just coming up but occasionally the hook the mind and is interesting just to watch you know what's what's lacking and one of the interesting things. I've learned in watching my mind's in relationship. Desire is the the one piece that seems to be lacking a bit at times when it just go for it is is the quality of energy and this is recent kind of understanding that I'm actually feeling a low energy gene so the mind is more susceptible at least in my experience. It's more.

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

04:33 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Awareness of awareness is to notice the sky instead of the clouds, right? And so it can feel like I'm noticing the vast space in which everything is arise. How do that, though? It's easy. I mean it's not easy, but it's like if I said, if you're meditating, and I just said now to start to notice, the sky like you could turn your attention to the to the here. We could we dry it if you want. Okay. So here let's just do it with with space in general. So, so just taking a moment to, to connect with your body and just being present. And the listeners can do that as well if you're driving Bucarest. Yeah. Exactly. And. Let's start by expanding a bit fill. It's open our attention to sound. So notice the sounds around you. And really let your let the sounds. Tune into the sounds of furthest away sound that you can possibly here. And then notice your body, as if your body, you can notice the back of your body and let your attention go to the back of your body. And then imagine that you could feel out of your body around into this into the space around your body, so. This breathing incensing and letting your body have unto expansiveness. And then include the include the sounds, too. And then if you really want to expand you could open your eyes and just take in the. Safe. You can look, kind of peripherally opening peripherally. I'm just really relaxed and soften. This you're doing this. And if your eyes are open might notice the space in between things instead of the things themselves. Just let yourself rest here, and it's remind you that our minds are like the sky. Or awareness. It's like the sky vast open spacious. And all that's rising is just like clouds in the sky. I can just rest here. And probably should stop it is, we're in the middle. But the one the way that you've mentioned Joseph Goldstein was my teacher the way he gets his students are one of the ways he gets his students to tune into awareness of awareness is to just ask yourself silently a question. What is knowing? They're like I'm hearing noises. What is knowing these noises who is knowing noses? And then you start lit a cow gently looking for the nowhere. Of course, you're not gonna find it, and the idea is that in the nut finding something important happens, which is you just you see that there's a kind of, in a positive sense, like an emptiness there. And that's thrilling in like you for me in my experience. You look and it's like right there. You don't have to look too hard. You just notice right away. Yeah. I can't I hearing a noise, and I'm looking for what's knowing it, you might even layer on a question of like and who's asking the question, and it throws. You very. Quickly, if you practice it enough into a space of, of a kind of thrilling vertiginous feeling of well, there's really nobody home here. And so this isn't emphasized in the beginning. I know this is actually your point this, this idea of natural awareness, which you've written a book about, and, or awareness of awareness, isn't emphasized in most beginning meditation instructions. And yet it is very powerful, and it Ken disentangle you from some of the sort of attacking the object like a rabid dog as, as actually it has been instructed for in by some teachers, you know what you get on your breath like a rabid dog, you're gonna be you're gonna own everything that arises..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

05:41 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Riding bicycle at soul cycle there. There are times when you don't need your ego to be in charge. And instead, you are letting go in a certain way and expanding, you know, letting the boundaries down Winokur talked about play that little children in their play are in a kind of state of un-integrate if they feel safe enough if the parents are there, but not too much. They're you know, if they're in the next room, and you know, they're there then you can like play. Hey with little men on the carpet, or or whatever. And and that's a that sense of play in some way. I think is what we're returning to in meditation. We're we're giving ourself that unstructured time to just let the mind unfurl and out of that we're reducing the clinging to the ego. You know, we still need it. When we have to go to school the next day or go to work or take out the garbage our drive car. We still need it. And we can find it again. But we don't need it all the time. It sounds like we just need. We don't need to get rid of the we need to have a little vacations or we need to turn it from master to serve. And you know, there's there's different ways to talk about so litigations, but also an abiding and to create a relationship that's a little different in on in on an abiding based on an abiding basis. That's the the. Internal shift. That's what I was trying to get to before. When I was talking to you about making the the sense of self the object of meditation another way to say that would be like changing your relationship to the ego. So instead of letting it it's driving you when you're saying, I'm not doing it. Right. That's really your ego talking, you know, so if I can get you or Joseph Goldstein can get you to look at that ego at the same way, you're looking at the doubt than oh. Then then then we are you, you know, then you're taking a little vacation from your ego. Right. Right. Then in that moment. Kind of field. Sure, we're poaching. The end of our time. And I think just putting myself in the position of the listener who will have been as I have been really interested in everything you're saying, but may want us like some practical, something practical to do what if we close would you be willing to five minute guided meditation where he's put into like show has had to do what you've been talking about. I could show you how to do something. Yeah. You can do no wrong in my is. Okay. I mean that actually with but you're game for that. Because we can edit this out if you're sure I would try. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Shall I start? You've got a clock right there. You can you can do is go as long as you want. Okay. Well, I would say I I pay attention to your physical posture. So let yourself settle into some kind of comfortable sitting position where you're feeling your back relatively straight your feet on the ground or folded beneath you, but feeling all the places where your body is being supported either by the floor or cushion or the couch or the chair or the car if you're listening, you know, so feeling the touch points of your body. And then. There's a parallel mental posture that you wanna give yourself. So you want to rest your mind and the body the way the body is resting in the chair. So just let your thinking mind. You are aware mind let it settle into itself as best you can just relax that relax. The frown lines in your forehead, relax. The muscles in your shoulder. And let your. Listening awareness, particularly. At your ear doors. What we call in Buddhist psychology, the ear door the porthole where sound enters your mind so open the ear doors. So you're just listening. Not only to my voice. But to all the ambiance sounds that. Are coming around it through it to the side of it. Alongside of it. So just make the meditation one where you're open listening hearing the sounds as they strike. Your ear drum. Noticing both the silences and the sound but not making a big distinction between them. Letting it just all pass through your. Awareness..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on Think Again

Think Again

03:55 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on Think Again

"Maybe it doesn't sound to you like the beginning of a message of hope, but that's exactly what it is a couple of millennia ago. The Indian prince Darth gotten better known as Buddha offered anyone who would listen a system of training the mind to free it from the suffering that comes from clinging to impermanent things like how many followers you have on Instagram. My guest today is Joseph Goldstein. He's one of the most influential Buddhist teachers and writers of the past half-century in nineteen seventy-five along with Sharon salzberg in Jack. Cornfield? He co founded the insight meditation society in Barre Massachusetts since then he has done immeasurable good worldwide with his books Dharma talks and meditation retreats for decades ago. He started a journey that he's still on today helping westerners very much including myself benefit from the Buddha's, ancient insights and techniques. Welcome to think again, just to be seven tradition covered at all. Yeah. You have to leave. I think what we should do is. Maybe sit here in silence for the next fifteen minutes following our breathing. I think it's very difficult. I mean, speaking from my own experience, I think it's very very difficult for a lot of us moderns, or contemporaries, or whatever we are to figure out where to begin with this looking for a path and looking for a practice that is actually going to lead to happiness, especially given the proliferation of information out there, and then also the commercial aspect, which basically causes things to proliferate even further and sometimes in very unhelpful ways. Basically, this is the question what genuinely makes people happy. I think that's that's the universal question. Both in these times. But always also throughout history. You think happiness is even the right word. Well, you could substitute any of the word that resonates could be fulfillment piece ease, right whatever word really captures that sense of coming to some kind of interest as opposed to living alive. Smoke place of agitation the reason I said, do you think happiness is the right word is because I remember when I first encountered Buddhist ideas, I think I was we were reading the guardian. I went to graduate program for eastern studies and with reading guard. And I guess I got stuck on. Maybe it was the translation, but desire looseness, transcending desire. But the whole culture, I grew up in and everything that I ever learned to priorites. I mean, I I'm very much. I was always a survey anti materialist. I wasn't looking for happiness in shopping or whatever, but passion energy. I mean, you know, joyous energy and intensity all of my heroes, all of the models that I grew up with like in the arts that was the thing it gets very tricky. This kind of discussion because we using the translations of words from the Pali language of sanskrit, which are the, you know, the earlier teachings of the Buddhism were spoken than written in those languages. Let's say for the audience that pilot. So Polly is a cousin of sanskrit vernacular sense is the literary language and Polly was more. The spoken language. At that time, and they're very related. Thing that we have in Pali is the is the scriptures of the right? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's just good. When when we read the teachings in English, especially with certain words, it can get a little tricky. Because for example, the word desire in English can mean, so many different things. Right. So it can be the desire of greed, the commute the desire of passion. It can be the desire of aspiration. Right..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

02:20 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Your questions quickly and in great detail, and it's an incredible resource. Some we're really proud of and that leads to to your question, which is should should you be feeling comfortable teaching? I'm a little bit of a hardliner on this nut super hardliner. But in the tradition out of which I emerge Joseph Goldstein insurance Ellsberg tradition. The the people who who teach in that tradition and who teach on our app have been doing this for a long. Long time. And I've said this before the podcast, I compare it sometimes to my wife who's got years and years and years of medical training med school advanced degree in before mid school and infectious diseases and then fellowship and residency and all this stuff, and these these meditation teachers, many them have that level of training, you know, years and years and years of sitting on silent retreat, and because it's such a responsibility to get under the hood of somebody's mind, and to be able to give them advice in this, really. Intimate way that being said to to guide somebody in basic meditation with the caveat. You know, if you're open about the fact that, hey, I'm a practitioner, I don't know how much practice you dusty have. But speaking, generally, if you've been practicing for a decent amount of time a couple years, and you kinda know what you're doing to be able to give people the basic meditation instructions. Well, I don't see the problem with that. I do that. And I'm I don't have the level of experience that I described that our teachers do. And so, and I've actually I've I've her saly had the question you have. I remember going to my teacher Joseph Goldstein and saying, hey, people are asked asking me to guide them in basic meditation. When I give speech somewhere is that. Okay. And he's like, yeah. It's only just don't present yourself as some sort of guru. And that goes to the other part of your question, which is you don't want your ego. This we've been telling you some big story about how your some fancy guru. Well, that's always a risk. And by the way, that's a risk for actual gurus. We're we've seen me to the the the metoo movement sweep through the Buddhist world, recently, and and take people down..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

03:36 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"So that you can give us more thoughtful answers pretty good feedback. So now, we're going to be we're going to I'm going to be doing that. And I think in the future we're actually going to be bringing in one of the things I was often saying in in my answers was, you know, I'm not an expert. But here's here's my take on it. We're actually in some cases going to bring in experts in pipe in their answers to your questions. So stay tuned for more changes to come anyway. So I long way of saying I've been able to think a little bit about about that question because I knew it was coming and let me just I talk a little bit about the the guided meditation that she references from Joseph Goldstein this guided meditation from Joseph is on it's called fear. If you search for it in the app, you can find it. It's excellent talks a lot about the fact that Joseph for many years in his life. Even after longtime meditating was dealing with. Serious doses of fear both in his walking around life and in his meditation practice, but he he found that he started to realize that the attitude in his mind toward the difficult of motion of fear. Was I will be mindful of you. I will try to note that you're here. But there's this undercurrent of I want you to go away. He calls this. I don't know if he says this in the meditation, but he calls this often, many of his speeches in order to mind that we think we're being mindful of a difficult emotion. But really if we look closely there's a subtle element of aversion were were we're being mindful in order for that that emotion to go away. And that isn't real acceptance. And I'm not saying this with a wagging. Finger acceptance is hard, and this is a skill that we are training, and sometimes it's doable. As we heard in that excellent question. Sometimes it is doable. Sometimes we a emotion arises, and we are able to summon some mindfulness where okay with the field with the feeling, and it does have a way of going away or we just become okay with it. And and that being okay with it. He changes, the nature and the force the Valence of the emotion. However there are times in my experience where it's just too strong. If you have an exotic disorder, Mike have panic disorder. I'm not of the view that I can meditate my way out of panic that I can sit and just allow I am not a good enough. Meditators yet to watch panic arise and pass with. I can't do it. But. That that is you know, I'm I am. And we are all training this skill into overtime. I would argue you will get better at allowing this intense anxiety to just be there. But you're think about how far you've come that. You're able at times now at age thirty three I don't know how long you've been meditating to see sometimes the anxiety arise and to say. Oh, yeah. I see it here. It is. I'm okay with it. And that it can sometimes dissipate or you can just be okay with it. And not be paralyzed by it, that's a huge even that. Sometimes it is too strong for you. I don't know what you mean by clamping down in order to stop it. But that sometimes it's too strong for you. I guess my opinion is is that's okay..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

03:50 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Results your experience been like would love to hear your thoughts on that. Thank you. Thanks tatyana. I've wrestled with this mightily. But the answer I don't think I don't think the answers that complicated. First of all you can plan. I mean, any planning you're doing will will take place in the present moment. And so you can be as mindful and aware as possible when you're. Making your plans, obviously, you're going to have to start thinking about the future and learning from the past in that process, but you can continually touch in from basic blocking and tackling meditation standpoint as you're doing that or anything you could always touch back into the present moment to be a little meditation teacher, either by being in touch with your body being in touch with what you're seeing hearing any number of basic meditation techniques that we all know, or we I hope we all know that you can use to make sure you're kind of giving right now a little bit of a kiss while you're doing the planning the other thing about planning is. I think it's. Yeah. You have to do it. I I don't think having a meditation practice means that you should be perpetually present. I mean, I be great. If you could that's that's not having to me. So the way I approach it as a. Yeah. I mean, there's a certain amount of planning and plotting and stress and walking around pacing and thinking about the angles, and how things are going gonna play out, and blah, blah, blah that that you have to do in order to have a. A healthy career. And I would not want to discourage you from doing any of that. What what I find the old Joseph Goldstein expression that he mentioned to me when I first met him on retreat back in two thousand ten that has been just incredibly helpful in this process is on the eighty seventh time that you're running through all the scenarios in your head. Maybe ask yourself. The question is this useful? And that little mantra is this useful. Just. A giving yourself permission to do the plotting and planning you need to do to have a healthy successful career. But then throwing in that little mantra of is this useful. When you notice yourself going down the rabbit hole. I in my experience really helps me walk that line between doing what I need to do in order to, you know, survive and stay afloat and in my case of pretty cutthroat career and also not make myself miserable. And and everybody else around me miserable. If finally you mentioned non attachment to results. You know, I wrote about this in my first book. I it's easier said than done, but I certainly attempt to do it to the best of my ability, which is just to recognize that we live in a universe where most things are out of our control. So we can do a bunch of work whatever it is. We're working on. We can think about our career and try to you know, network and go to the right school and get the right internships. Whatever it is. But you you you can't control all the outcomes. That's just that's just the deal so non attachment to results is the only sane way to proceed again easier said than done I wish I did it more than I do. But as a north star to pretty healthy one. So great question Tatyana. I wish you the best of luck. And I hope the foregoing has been to call out or to echo Joseph's phrase. I hope the foregoing has been useful. All right. Let's get to Michael Gelb. Our guest this week. Here's just a couple of lines from his. Bio he is the world's leading authority on application of genius thinking too, personal and organizational development. He's also.

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on The Nice Guys on Business Podcast

The Nice Guys on Business Podcast

03:30 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on The Nice Guys on Business Podcast

"Well, Orrin welcome finally to the nice guys on business podcasts. Thanks so much. Doug. It's great to be here. I, you know, there have been so many people that are in your space between Dan Harris, Joseph Goldstein, Sharon salzberg, and and so many others that have directed me to you. I kept thinking who is this guy? And why does everybody recommends? So you you must be doing something right in this field. I'm in good company. I feel very fortunate. Thanks. So I was reading as reading the book one of the interesting things that you say in the book, and I love this. It's like you say reading a book on communicating or a communication or communicating is like reading a manual on how the swim. Now do would know this because because I you know, I I haven't given any background on on me or my family about my dad wrote a book you can't teach a kid to write a bike at a seminar, and how much of meditation is just doing it until it starts to work versus doing it. Right right out of the gate. For meditation. You know, I think it's I think it's the former I think we have to figure out how to do it by doing it. It's like any other craft or skill. You know, when we first start out, we don't know what we're doing. And we're just approximating based on the instructions that someone has given us and we need to make mistakes we need to find our way in the dark a little bit. And then through our own experience. We start to get a hang of it. It's like, oh, yeah. It's more like this to relax, or oh, this is what this is what works to actually help my mind, stay focused, not this kind of tightening and striving and pushing but just softening a little bit wading having a really gentle, but firm intention coming back. And then we get a feel for it inside. Well, I I remember when I was first introduced to meditation. This was back. I can actually tell you the day September ninth of two thousand fifteen when I was first introduced to meditation. It came at the tail end. Of a pretty anxious moment in my life. I feel like I've had anxiety or something like exiling my entire life. But really never knew how to put myself in a position of being aware. So how do you talk to the person that's out there that has had no crisis that would be considered substantial enough this AM? Wow. We will. I didn't have a panic attack didn't have a heart attack. I don't think stress is lifted me to the to the point that I can't even focus any longer. How do you say to the person that's out there just moving along and life possibly just not aware? I how do you teach them that meditation is something that can help them. You know, it's a good question. Duggan. I think it all comes down to what do we want? You know, I've had a few of my teachers my meditation teachers in life asked me that question it's kind of a profound question. What do we really want? What we want out of life. What's important to us? And I think when we really look inside we recognize that the messages that society sells us in terms of I want a lot of money. I want this good job. They fall short. You know, they they bring some pleasure and happiness, but the the real meaning the real the real juice in life comes from living in a way that's meaningful being connected to our values helping others. And I think when we slow down and ask that question, we realized that life is more meaningful on were present. When we're here for the things that we care..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

10% Happier with Dan Harris

03:46 min | 1 year ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on 10% Happier with Dan Harris

"Give them the tools a lot of lately. So I. So when did, when did the meditation things start for you? You know, let's say in the last year last year and a half, two years. I opened up the idea. I can't remember the exact I weigh. My brother told me about the ten percent happier book and then so I always knew about it. But I, I've only got into reading in the last. I mean, I've tried to read through the years, but I'm very, like I'm audio Geyer. I'm I'm a visual guy in a way of movies, or you know, whatever through music. So. So so I hadn't read the book or anything, but then I had heard then I had saw about the at and that was all around the time of, okay, what can I do? Medication doesn't work for me. I know I don't have to worry. There's plenty of people that have found ways to cope with this and and move on from it. And I've heard a lot of success stories. This whole mindfulness keeps showing up a lot more than it ever did in media. Some and people are sitting there CEO's and then all their staff, you know, and major companies do mindfulness and. It's not some weird thing. This try, you know, and and and so I, I got the app and I, I started to follow started the very basic stuff because nothing and I really connected with Joseph Goldstein and I when I, when I showed Joseph Goldstein at and you guys talking under something, you picture meditators all these different ways when you don't know anything about it and he's just this, you know. Still a guy with his regular guys. It seems like it could be a doctor, but you know, he's so intelligent doctors guys, the smartest guy in the world. And so like I trust the sky already just by seeing him and hear him talk. And then I just had a comforting way of talking. And then I would just start with the whether it was a home and I wouldn't do it every day. I still have trouble. I'm trying to make myself mega have it every single day. I'd do it several days a week. It's still pretty good. But yeah, I mean, it's I would like. I'm trying to figure out ways to implement the habit. He's very hard for somebody like you because you don't have a regular schedule and your life is very. Chaotic, not in a. Saying that a judgmental way, it's chaotic and that by design, like you're a touring -sition one day might be shooting a music video and other day you're in the studio another day, you're, you're going along island to play show. And that's that that does make it very challenging. So I will give yourself a break and we can talk about ways to help establish it as a regular habit. But you know, that is hard for everybody to make healthy habits, but even harder for you because your schedule is so erotic on in that that goes back to myself of being so hard and myself, like being like, you didn't meditate today and then which is something really dumb to like get really hard to myself, but I'll find a way to do it, but, but it's just another thing to be mindful of. Yeah, it's just another thing to notice. That's a good one. And, and I'm just channeling Joseph here who is a truly brilliant human one of my favorite people's ever walked on the planet. It's all just coming and going everything. All these neurotic obsessions that are flipping through our brains, all these desires. We have all these random thoughts that just just mental stuff and you can just step back and step out of the traffic a little bit of your mind in other words, and just watch the individual cars go. Right. And that's fall out of the waterfall and be like, all right. That was just self judgment. Boom..

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on Pursuit With Purpose

Pursuit With Purpose

02:03 min | 2 years ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on Pursuit With Purpose

"Well i think taking on a practice every day because we didn't get to the fourth step of the four step process and the practice that i use every day is waking up in the morning opening my eyes and looking around so it's the orienting crack this noticing oh i will kid i didn't tiger the night this is a very good thing and then asking myself what's not wrong so it's a little twist on gratitude because it's a way to change the circuitry in our brain so that we notice what's not raw and there are so many things that are not wrong than that are wrong so many more things i learned this when i spent him month with take out on the buddhist teacher at his retreat center he after everybody one morning how many people here have to thick and most people didn't and he said when you have a toothache all you can focus on is having a toothache but when you don't have tuesday queued on appreciate not having to thing i called this the to take meditation or the what's not wrong and so when you start the daylight that five things that aren't wrong you orient yourself to goodness you orient yourself to what's right in this world and you walk in a different way then you do when you sort of get out of bed with a boy other day or as joseph goldstein who i said on there says a vais another day didn't we just have one yesterday it's not about that is oh look at what's here now and now and now and that will change everything i love it i love the again like you said it's the rewiring of our brain in our experienced what's not.

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"joseph goldstein" Discussed on Waking Up with Sam Harris

Waking Up with Sam Harris

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"joseph goldstein" Discussed on Waking Up with Sam Harris

"Trying to track a map on to the number of our presidents sweeps i should be like europe now i spend much less time noticing trump because i feel like i can i can get the gist and it's it's felt better have to focus on it it's at some point but yeah i thought otherwise other the the alternative to the kind of masochism you know there's at and it's just not worth it against all messed up dan hundreds or an present happier and your summer retreat went by joseph goldstein out however when tries to sign up he discovers that he's a treats are in high demand and then he has to enter into a lottery which this chances getting him slim rightwing mcdonald's started with deke nowhere after a sudden asking people string squirm and so he could swab retreat as the first question is did he report that accurately second do you think it's epochal use your this carnival in our white quote rob was mirotic booted ikea wipo yeah no that is true about i don't like it it was the reality is that a mantra why this is interesting tipped anyone but rallying got it you'll england people organiz retreats like that they hold what i think they call discretionary stocks purchase people outside the lottery just for people who are gonna wanna put in m n whatever criteria they used to wanna put those people and that's that's on them and joe's it happens to be a very close friend and dan with someone who o'clock who get immense value out of the retreat end would be very good for spreading the word about that the value that is to be gotten out of the retreat so i gotta it's just seemed like a no brainer is the hague chosen they really wants said retreat happenings box just referenced last laughed and said that it was it was his call.

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