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Timeline Of A Killer - Building The Case Against Joseph James DeAngelo

Unmasking a Killer

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Timeline Of A Killer - Building The Case Against Joseph James DeAngelo

"Joseph Di Angelo is facing thirteen homicide charges and thirteen charges of kidnap with intent to rob in connection with the Golden State killer crime spree while law enforcement believes him to be responsible for the many rapes attributed the east area rapist spree do the statute of limitations. They cannot file rape charges at the time of this recording. Joseph Di Angelo has not yet entered a plea and is awaiting trial. Is why we lock our doors at night. Packed all over California. The community was taken hostage brutal homicides. One of the most prolific serial killers in the history of this state. If not in this nation. Today. We're gonna launch the national campaign to help identify Golden State healer. Joseph James, the Angelo stance accused of being the Golden State killer, which includes the crime spree known in northern California as the east area rapist crime spree in southern California known as the original night stalker and a series of burglaries and break ins visalia, California known as vice Ilya ransacked her which culminated with the murder of Claude smelling by failure ransacking believed to be among the first of suspected killer. Joseph Di Angelo's crimes were committed from nineteen seventy four to nineteen seventy five during the time that Angelo was working as a police officer. In the neighboring small rural town of Exeter, California. Probably got a backdrop of sequoia national parks this year, Nevada's I mean, right up the hill or the giants Koya is that everybody kind of knows us for in nineteen seventy six the Exeter. Police department hired a new police chief who was coming from vise alia. And that's when Joseph. Angelo, coincidentally left the Exeter police department and took a job as a patrol officer in Auburn, California. In the seventies. Probably was right around ten thousand people at that time. I think we had eighteen sworn police officers in the early seventies. In auburn. We would have to one man minutes. Sometimes weekends busy night. She might have three one, man. That's was about all that happened. Auburn Cleese chief Nick willik supervised the Angelo in August of one thousand nine hundred seventy six about the same time the east area rapist attacks began in nearby Sacramento, as we know the east area rapist was active from nineteen seventy six to nine hundred seventy nine with his last known attack to be the aborted attempt in danville in July of nineteen seventy nine the original night stalker made his first murder attempt in galena enact Tober of that same year and by one thousand nine hundred eighty six had killed ten people. So how do Joseph Di Angelo's movements correspond with the time? I'm line and locations of the Golden State killers numerous crimes how is law enforcement connecting the dots to build a case against their prime suspect. I'm jokin soon that I'm be as you, and we're comparing the movements in life of suspect Joseph James, the Angelo to law enforcement knows about the crimes committed by the Golden State killer with help from retired contra Costa county investigator, Paul holes who spearheaded the team who ultimately identified some spanked Joseph James, the Angelo, Reggie Ellis and Paul Myers from the sun gazette who've done extensive research and Jodi Angelo and his time as a police officer in Exeter, thanks to the archives of their local newspaper and former Auburn police chief Nick willik who supervised the Angelo during his time on the police force. Now, retired contra Costa county chief investigator pole hole. Spearheaded the team that identified the alleged Golden State killer Joseph James Dangelo. Welcome back, Paul type ball guys. I paul. We wanted to get into some of the time line overlaps between Joseph Dangelo is life and the mini crime sprees. He stands accused of when you first started looking into this, man. You're obviously looking at his age. How did that line up with your thoughts on GSK when was the Angelo born when we're looking at this as an unknown case, we're having to rely a lot on the victims the living victims to describe you know, how old they thought the offender was you know, when when this guy I popped up as east area rapist in one thousand nine hundred nineteen seventy six and Sacramento, the victims were all over the map saying he's like an eighteen year old teenager or he's as old as thirty. So we had a fairly broad window in which we thought to the golden. Killers age would fall with air. I know for me a lot of people thought he was younger and that he was possibly a teenager or desert twenties at the time. He started up in Sacramento, one thousand nine hundred seventy six I always thought the guy was a little bit older based on some of the sophistication who was showing very early on in those attacks these sexual maturity that he was showing with how he was interacting with these female victims and just this boldness and level of competence. And he was showing it he did not come off as a as a very immature teenage boy just starting off on a rape series to my mind. So when the Angelo popped up, you know, he was older than what most bought the Golden State killer would be, but he was well within what I felt the Golden State killer would be so his age at least was within what I bought. Was. Okay, this the sounds right. You know, he's he's going to be somebody who's a little bit more mature and more competent than his abilities at the beginning of the Sacramento cases in nineteen seventy six so being born in November nineteen forty five. It would put him at thirty when the east area, rapists. Pre started Beth, right? That's right. You know? And so if you're thinking, those are these first cases, you know, that's a little bit old for somebody to start a serial rape series. It's not unheard of. But it's one of those things where you go. I wonder if he's done things before you know, in his early twenties. Now, Di Angelo is born in New York. He's the son of a military father and his dad's air force career. Brought the family to California for southern California than may their air force base in Sacramento. Why is that air force base significant win the east area? Rapist started in mid nineteen seventy six he is I attack. Back was in this Cordova meadows neighborhood in Rancho Cordova, which was right across the freeway from the Burma made their air force base. And as these attacks proceeded up in Sacramento, he seemed to have early on a desire to re-offend within that Cordova meadows neighborhood, he's showing comfort in that neighborhood. And it turns out that five of his first fifteen packs were clustered in this small Cadeau Kotova meadows neighborhood. So the Angelo having that father that was in the military stationed at me the airforce base he has miliary just from his youth of that particular neighborhood. And so it would make sense that when he starts doing these types of sexual assaults is going to go someplace that he's comfortable with and back. I believe that probably as a teenager. He was out there. Keeping in this neighborhood and prowling and his very was got very comfortable as a teenage boy moving around Cordova meadows and then after school he enters the navy. It gets his own military training. This was nineteen sixty four well before the draft, but son of a military, man. This probably was right on track with what was expected of him. What have you learned about his military service? My knowledge at this point two is based on what I knew prior to my retiring, and you know, he was in the navy. He was assigned on multiple ships while he was in the navy. Some of those ships did go over to Vietnam. But he never, you know, Saul combat either on the ship or on land and was doing mechanical kinds of jobs while on these ships, but he alternately fills his obligation to the navy and ends up settling back in the Sacramento region. And. Starts attending fear college up in Roseville, which is just immediately north of Sacramento, right? So his college career starts at Sierra college. And then he goes to California State University in Sacramento. What was he studying? He seemed to be very focused on a specific career studying criminal Justice. So you know, criminal Justice is a major that many guys even to this day many individuals to this day. We'll we'll study a pursue a degree and because they want to get into law enforcement. So even while he's up in doing the criminal Justice studies. He's also interning at Roseville PD now at the time, you know, obviously, his dad was a career military, man. He kinda gets out of the military is it is it just kind of like a natural next track for someone who comes from military families served in the military to then go into law enforcement. Absolutely. You know? The military trading. Law enforcement is generally is a paramilitary type work was -ation with very rigid chain of command area rigid policies and procedures. There's a lot of discipline that is needed in order to be able to just make it through the police academy. So guys that have that military training. They have got an understanding rigid chain of command they have to follow policies and procedures. This is very much the same with law enforcement law enforcement really is a paramilitary type of organization so guys that have that military background. They generally walk into their initial law enforcement exposure, usually at a police academy with a little bit of an advantage because they've already kind of been there done that. And now it's learning more the law enforcement aspect versus somebody new like me going into the police academy going. Oh my God. What is? Is going on here as I'm you know, being brainwashed into this this disciplinary type structure, that's funny. So after he graduates with a bachelor's he leaves the Sacramento area and enrolls in the police academy indivisibily area at the college of the sequoias and starts work as a patrol officer in Exeter in may of nineteen Seventy-three now may of nineteen Seventy-three this again, all of this is before any connected criminal activity to Golden State killer. Correct. Yeah. In terms of verified criminal activity. You know, we do have the Cordova Capela gir- that Ken Clarke back ASO kind of keyed in on that seems very likely to be him before he goes down to Exeter. But at this point when he starts out at Exeter down in one thousand nine hundred seventy three it is before anything that we have tributed to the Golden State killer right now, we're gonna pass the pole holes interview for a minute. We'll catch back up with him later in the show next up. Our local newspaper publishers Reggie Ellison. His editor in chief Paul Myers, and they reveal what they discovered in their son because at archives about the Angelo's life in career during his time in Exeter. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place. You can go were hiring is simple fast. And smart that place is ZipRecruiter with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job. 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That's correct people are very proud of that here. That's amazing. I never heard that before that's a lot of collars. Yes. I there's not more cows than people here. But there's it's it's close. There's a lot. There's a lot of smell to that comes with. I added in do you get used to it? Guess actually, you do it just kind of fades into the everyday odor, the common phrases. That's the smell of money like it. There you go. Very nice now. Also, obviously, one of the main reasons we're speaking to you here today is that as the sun gazette, you guys also own all the Exeter son archives, which was the local paper in Exeter, California at the time that Joseph James liangelo was working there. Yeah. Exeter, son, ran were still essentially the Exeter, son doing business as the sun gazette. But it's been running continuously since nineteen o one nineteen a one of them saying, so what was it like on April twenty fifth finding out that the biggest story in a country had an origin in your town. Boom, we found out. There was the Exeter connection to the vice Ilya ransack, or that's when we kind of just started hitting the archives and digging up as much. As we could. So Exeter's small town. It's small town now tiny town in the seventies. What would bring residents to come and make their home there in general, so Exeter's one of those, you know, if you were looking for kind of like the town that was kind of the quintessential small town America, and it kind of prides itself on that now. But that's a sensually why people came here, but most people came here because a family, so they already had a family those living here, maybe they're transitioning to a new job or looking for a new opportunity in California, and they already had someone living here. So extra was kind of this place where I know someone there, and it seems like a nice town. I'm gonna give it a shot beautiful little town. So okay, bringing it to Joseph, James Angelo, and his family when did they first show up in your archives from what I saw, and I don't know where that would lie within Exeter, son. But de is mom, married. His step-dad into Larry county. Yes. In nine hundred sixty five. So was it the stepdad that had connections to the area. I kind of difficult to figure out essentially, you know, we knew that he had family here he visited a couple of times before he actually made exit or kind of his permanent home throughout the sixties. But he definitely has strong connection to the the family that was here. Otherwise, I don't I don't think he would have come here all the way from New York. Right. And then in nineteen sixty nine the Angelo sister moved to Exeter. Correct. Yes. And does she still live in believe that she does? Yes. She has a she's a family that she started here and complete with husband kids and grandkids. And then I believe you guys showed us an article that appeared in nineteen seventy one we're just Jamesy. Angela actually attended his sister's husband's birthday party. And that's what visitor. Well. Yeah. Those are pretty common in the newspaper. That time small town newspapers really here up until the last maybe eight to ten years. We news small town papers cover things like, you know, one hundredth birthdays and. Family reunions and class reunions. Those are things that actually made it into the paper and not just kind of a blurb like an listing. It was like a photo with taps and a small story. I know. These are things that definitely want to make it in USA today. Dow now in one thousand nine hundred seventy three just James the Angeles starts work with the Exeter PD and also attends college of the sequoias police academy at the college of sequoias. So that's probably he was doing something there with the academy as opposed to actually attending as a as a college student. So the idea is that he's probably doing the police academy at the college of this choas possibly early nineteen Seventy-three, and then starts work. What day was it in may may teeth have nineteen Seventy-three grow. Yes. And then the somewhere in nine hundred seventy three you guys did a profile on him. And it mentioned that he was going to marry his to be wife. Sharon huddle back in Auburn was there any other mention of his family really in the archives. Not really there wasn't a ton of mention about the family. There might be some other mentions of them. You know, we. We've kind of looked through a lot of the archives. But that doesn't mean that we catch every little thing on every page. So, but there are very few mentions of kind of the the Angelo family after he comes onto the extra police department. Awesome. So then nineteen seventy three's a pretty kind of uneventful career life or the Angelo. And then early nineteen seventy four about a year on the job. He's promoted to daytime investigator. Can you tell us how that came about? So basically, he there was a lot of break ins that were kind of happening and seventy three and they were your basic break ins, there's nothing stood out about them necessarily. But they did have a couple on the say they had four on the same night. And. There wasn't a definite pattern. But sometimes there seem like there was some similarities. So I think that's on. The police department was probably considering that they may have some a group or individuals who are committing a lot of similar crimes so DeAngelis. They kind of working him into an investigative role because he had more education really than any other officer on the force. Even though he was the newest he had the most extensive background and training and education, and as far as attending college coursework and things like that. So now that brings us to nine hundred seventy four Angeles promoted to daytime investigator and somewhere in there in the month of April are what vilely police department has confirmed as the first physial ran soccer incident. Yes, now's a daytime investigator. I'm assuming that would have meant his days opened up a bit. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, once he kind of didn't have a for lack of a turn a beat to walk on the street that goes an officer of that time a lot of autonomy to kind of follow whatever leads. They want to follow in structure their day. However, they need to to do these more you no longer term investigations. And then how did he do as a daytime investigator in? I'm getting you to nineteen seventy five we have this anti burglary unit that gets set up. How does Exeter PD go from? Okay. We have designated investigator to now we're really blowing it up with a much bigger unit. You know, basically Deandra is kind of becoming a star of the department at this point. He's making a lot of arrests especially on on burglary cases. And at the interesting thing, we found was a lot of the arrests. They were making four burglaries. They were kind of pending on teens from farmers Ville, explain to farmers Ville, Exeter relationship. Yeah. So excellent farmers villa were two different towns, but they shared a high school in Exeter. So farmers Ville tended to be more migrant farm worker community. Exeter tend to be more white middle class affluent community and kind of the farmers will kids were treated differently at the high school. They were considered kind of labor looked down upon a little bit. And you can still see some remnants of that to this day. So if you have an Exeter police officer and farmers will had its own police department, but if you had an exit or officer saying like, oh, yeah, you know, these farmers will kids. It's probably them. I'll go round up a few and see see what they say. Nobody in Exeter, kind of what a question. There's like. Oh, yeah. Probably was those farmers so kids, which of course, isn't true. But that that would definitely would have been kind of a sentiment of that era. So de ngelo is making a lot of arrests pharmacy will kids and how did this anti burglary unit come about? Oh so in. January of seventy five the city council voted to form a team between Exeter and farmers Ville and the issue which pushed by then police chief Henry mostly most people call them, Hank. Hank fry and hang fry had been kind of brought about after the resignation of the former police chief rate Ray Watkins, and there was a lot of issues with the police department with finances and having enough manpower to do things. And so I think this was kind of a way for the police department to say, look, we need to do more. Why don't we why don't we partner with other agencies, which at that time was not very common in order to solve you know, our our burglary crimes, increasing and we're talking just burglaries in Exeter, farmers hill area. Right. This does not involve the ransacking survey the vizier ransack. Committing invite salia the next town over no, these are just burglaries that have been identified in Exeter and farmers Ville, those cities still work a lot together because they are small cities sharing resources and this had nothing. They were not investigating the vice Iran segregates adult diangelo is assigned to Disun it is it an obvious decision. Yeah. Yeah. I think so you know, they I don't they didn't have really any investigators in the department they had beat cops. And then you you're higher ranking guys who were kind of an administration, and they needed someone who hadn't been there long enough to be an administration, but was smarter than the average kopplin. Let's say, and I and I want to add to is that, you know, when we're talking about, you know, this era's, well, you know, and and what we know what we've learned from ward was, you know, it's not as if Deandra had an attitude problem. You know, it's not as if he ruffled a lot of feathers. He was kind of the guy that came in did his job as most. People could tell and so when you have that guy who appears like he's a good worker with a good work ethic and has an education. You know, you're on a fast track of source in a small rural town. Yeah, he kind of had the way I describe it kind of nose to the grindstone attitude like a no nonsense like he came in. Like, hey, what are we working on? Let's do this. Let's do that. You know, wherever the guys might be, you know, having having a water cooler conversation about sports or families, or whatever he he wasn't that guy. He wasn't. He wasn't there to kind of fraternize at all. He was there to do a job. And that's the way he came off. And I think the higher up solid as good work ethic. Obviously shown an aptitude for learning. Right. He's he's gotten some degrees. We know from some of his college records that he got he got good grades. And so part of this anti burglary unit was federal state local grants to further train these officers in burglary techniques. So it makes sense you send that guy to get more of that training. Thing to help your town be better at stopping burglaries. Absolutely. I mean, he was kind of the natural for the job. And if you're the Exeter police department, you know, you kind of feel like well, I have a gym here. Got lucky? Yeah. We keep this guy. Well, better give him a promotion make them do something more important than walk in the streets him give him a couple of extra dollars per month. You know, why not right? And he ends up getting promoted to sergeant in early nineteen Seventy-six. Yes. Now in Exeter. How aware were you in nineteen seventy five we've already talked about the ransack or not really making the Exeter, son pages. But what about this timber eleventh murder of Claude smelling or to December tenth McGowan shooting? There wasn't a whole lot of mentioned about anything with the ransack her again Exeter, and by cya, they considered. They're seventeen miles apart which doesn't sound like a lot in today's standards, but back then it really felt like a whole 'nother county like a whole 'nother jurisdiction. They didn't really talk to each other and the paper saw its role as only covering kind of the exit or farmers Ville, there's no countywide coverage then that the newspaper covered by the Exeter, paper covered Exeter and the two Larry paper covered to Larry. And there they didn't really cross each other's paths. So nine hundred seventy six and we know at this point that disease Iran soccer, went dormant after the December nineteen seventy McGowan shooting but back in just de ngelo guts promoted to sergeant. And then you guys had published a extra sun published on may eleventh. I believe that everyone got funding for a second year of this anti burglary in it. Yeah. It was really they were doing such a good job. Yeah. How catching catching the burglar? Who you know, when you look at the timeline and the type of burglaries that were happening in Exeter, while de was a cop. I mean, they are very similar to some of the ransack or cases. And in one case, they actually say the home was ransacked in the police report. Yeah. That one particularly stuck out to me. I was like you were you were so close you didn't you didn't even know it. The numbers the numbers that are listed in the article show this like huge improvement in terms of like less crime that year. I often wonder we're those numbers inclusive of was that all of Larry county because I mean, obviously, the ransack or stopped ransacking at that point for more than five months. So right there alone. Those numbers should improve countywide numbers. Those were local local numbers between the agencies participating in the in the task force. I believe so so yeah, they are doing a great job. Because I mean, what did the articles? I like ten percents or something that they that. They went down ten percent awesome. So now, we're back in seventy six and something kind of dramatic happens at the end of may in seventy six that probably was the last kind of drop into bucket that made the Angela get outta town. What do we think that was? So I think basically that comes down to they get a new police chief in. In exeter. And and that that chief is coming from the police department, which is investigating the vice ransack, or so I think de ngelo basically comes to the conclusion that there there is no way for him to kind of continue to do is he's doing with with someone intimately involved with the police department right next to him every day because if you look at his career at this point in Exeter, he's doing really well. He just got funds reupped, you know. So he knows he's on this on the special task force unit for another year. Why would he leave? It's got promoted to sergeant he's doing great. Right. And then yet, you know, and the may chief fry resigns chief view gets installed visalia patrol chief and then quickly bear after just of dangerous must've applied to Auburn. Because from what we found the Auburn police application deadline was like the second week of June. So it goes pretty quickly that he's like, okay. I gotta get outta here. Yeah. I think as soon as he heard that if I say a guy was becoming the new chief of the extra police department. He was ready to go. So then nine hundred seventy six June, July. We know he spends some time up in the Sacramento Auburn area doing law enforcement training. And then he is hired completely fulltime on the job with Auburn PD in August of seventy six and leaves Exeter. Do you guys have any other mentions of him after that? No, not that I found. No. So yes. So his sisters still lives there still has some family there. But he and share in, you know, pretty much leave the area, and and that's the end of that. Absolutely. And you know, even though they made their home in citrus heights for a very long time. So he was pretty seems like kind of an established neighborhood, and you know, the, yeah, there's just no mention really of the family after that point. I mean, his sisters married, but we don't we don't see a lot of mentions of her family. Either. Yeah. And really for. I mean, the the largest mentions of the police force are from or somehow revolve around the chief of police so chief fry was to move onto Auburn that would be a front page story. But when it's you know, the task force guy in the nineteen seventies. It kind of you know, false. It's way down the editor Oriel board that makes sense. Thanks, Reggie Ellison Paul Myers from the sun gazette. We're going to have you back on again next week as we examine the law enforcement career of suspected Golden State killer Joseph Jamesy. Angelo in coming up. We have former Auburn police chief Nick Willett who remembers Joseph dangerous time as a police officer in Auburn. We have with us Nick Willockx, former police chief of Auburn let me start by asking chief, Nick, what was your first reaction to hearing your former employee. Joseph Dangelo was arrested as the accused Golden State killer or Shaw too surprising that he was perpetrated in this crimes horrendous crimes while he was working at the police department. Okay. So when did you first meet Joseph Dangelo? The be in the summer of nineteen seventy six he had been hired at the police department and after he was hard. I I probably met him in the office or somewhere. Now, Di Angelo has an injury to his hand was that ever explained. Joe Dangelo had a Bisson in one of his fingers, and he said that he had lost that. In Vietnam in a situation where he ran his hand through a a plane while they were doing damage control on the ship. He was serving did that affect his jab at all, no, what did he share about his background? Joe was married. A recently married. A matter. She didn't come around the police department much. I can't remember her ever being at the police department a lot of people including Paul holes wonder, how the Angelo could have had time to commit these crimes. He's accused of committing. So let's talk about what he actually did as an Auburn patrol officer. Joe Dangelo, the police store -partment mostly patrolman as is typical small department of Lee star department at that time that the new officers would come and they would work a relief schedule meaning that their schedule would change from week to week if someone was on vacation that relief person. Unusual we had leased to relief officers that relief officer would fill in for him. And then, you know, someone got injured if someone was on sick leave he would fill in for that officer. So his shifts were changing from week to week. So as a relief officer, he didn't have a regular schedule. How long before he would have been moved off the relief schedule typically officers would be on the release schedule for approximately two years, sometimes it'd be fast or sometimes it would be longer. But typically, it was a two year duty got it. So we know the east area rapist was committing crimes throughout the week at night or in the early morning, but we also know he must have done a ton of surveillance staking out potential victims breaking in and scouting out locations. A ton of work. How many hours was the Angela working in Auburn it our shifts five days a week eight hours a day was that day or night or? Run three shifts at that time you had today. Chef a swing shift in a graveyard. How far is Auburn exactly from Sacramento to drive from Auburn to Sacramento as thirty five forty mile drive? Probably take forty forty five minutes. One way could the Angelo have left the area while on duty that would extremely difficult for him to leave the city of Auburn. He was on duty. The sergeant would have immediately known it because we're we're talking to each other all the time the time you got out of the patrol car, the Cheka, Nope indoors or a suspicious circumstance. The other officer backed you up and made it was expected. Cassettes? What you had that was your your safety net. I can't think of any situation where he could left the city while he was on patrol and not be detected. It was just the way the operations went that. If he was missing for. Five minutes or ten minutes. The sergeant would have known if Joseph Di Angelo was committing these east area rapist Grimes he's doing all of this off the clock driving back and forth would take we said about one to two hours a night just to and from Sacramento, but once the east area rapist starts taking in Modesto Davis, contra Costa county, we're talking much longer drive back and forth. Did just of the Angelo ever show up to work tired never saw Joel where he would act real tired or Lucking of sleep on never suspected that. It's difficult to imagine. How he could do so much. He was working but forty hours a week. But you know, the he would have days off he would have -cations, and it's hard to believe that he I mean, he must have been spent his whole life consumed by these evil AXA. He was committing. Because he obviously he was married and he had a job. So it's just hard to imagine him doing everything that he was doing now in Auburn. How aware were you of the east area rapist, even though the east area? Rapist wasn't hitting in Auburn. It was something that everybody was talking about. It was in the media was on the news. It was in the newspapers it was something of concern in Auburn. I mean, it was only thirty five miles away and people were concerned. I mean, these are horrific acts that were occurring and people were concerned. I mean, people were buying guns, and, you know, asking me for the security checks and other house because they were concerned about what was going on Sacramento. Okay. So this information you're getting in from the sacrame-. Anto agencies. This is shared with the Auburn patrol officers. Typically, there would be a folder that was maintained of these bulletins and officers were were asked to review them and be aware of what was happening in surrounding jurisdiction. So if that person or the suspect are we had crime, similar, they would know and be able to in passing formation along to the other departments and just Dangelo had access to these bulletins and composites. Yes, yes. She had access Joe Daniel like all the other officers had access to these bulletins that other departments would send our department asking for information. Details of crimes that were current enter jurisdictions. Did you ever hear Jodi Angelo or anybody within the department mention Jody Angelo talking about the east area rapist? No never now. You've seen the composites then. And now, how do you think? They compared to Jodi Angelo, the composites of the what we're potentially the starey, rapists were were different. I mail them of their shaven. They had long hair full heads a hair. They didn't look like Jodi on all these composites, though, you know, our we're just possibles people. Seem in the area who seemed out of place. So they weren't actual drawings of the stereo, rapists. They were just potentials and probably that was a bit misleading because none of them were the Sterry ripest. I only remember him with a moustache. I don't remember him without a mustache. Okay. After the only mustache composite was released after measury murders, they east area rapist stopped attacking in Sacramento and moved further south and then west to the East Bay, I guess having access to those bulletins would have been an advantage to the east area rapist. I think Joel as a police officer probably used his training as a police officer to protect himself from detection, and he was a kademi graduate. He had to. Be a degree in criminal Justice. He knew the investigative techniques that departments were using at that time, you know, how they investigate a rape case what type of evidence or they collected. He would have been knowledgeable that because of his training and education said during the east area rapist crime spree northern California from seventy six to nineteen Seventy-nine. Jody Angelo is working for you. And Auburn, we know the last known east area rapist attack in northern California was in July of nineteen Seventy-nine, and then these area rapist one dormant, what do, you know happen to Joseph Di Angelo in July of nineteen seventy nine. In July of nineteen seventy nine we received a call from the Sacramento county sheriff's department that one of our officers officer, Joe Di Angelo had been arrested for shoplifting in the citrus hice area. He had been caught trying to steal a hammer and dog repellent spray. He had apparently hit those items on his person under a shirt in his waistband of his pants and try to leave the store without paying for it. He was had been detected by one of the employee's, boo. Stop them detained in contacted the Sacramento sheriff's department who responded and issued him citation from the shoplifting. They didn't take him down to the jail day only issued a citation I believe that to be true. Typically, you would issue citation at to scene, but they did call you. You how did they know? He was a police officer in Auburn. Well, you could do a record check and find that out they behave in a dentist himself as a police officer at the time, but they did know he was a police officer and would be typical protocol. They contacted our agency to tell us that he had been arrested was he noon aforementioned time. No, he wasn't. It was his days off, and he was in a wearing civilian clothes when he was arrested. What were you told about how he reacted at the time? He apparently tried to escape think the words where he panicked and was trying to escape to the point where they actually have a secure him to a chair until the sheriff's department got there. And what were your first thoughts when you heard this? Officers arrested particularly your own department. One of your officer is arrested. There's a lot of shock. I was surprised. I was disappointed that officer would do something like that. You know? I'm not naive enough to know officers aren't human beings. But something you never want. And we were quite surprised, you know, once I heard, then, of course, we meet Lee started in terminal affairs investigation into the matter. So what was that process? Like, the Lieutenant would have contacted him and notified him that he was under investigation for the for the shoplifting. He was immediately suspended from the force process took several weeks, and he had opportunities to meet with us. He did not meet with us. He didn't wanna meet and talk to the Lieutenant about the situation. Joel. They had hired in Terni. He owned harder Turney that handled the discipline portion of it. He also had hired in Terni to handle the criminal aspects of it. He pled not guilty to the shoplifting and ask for a jury trial. There are several newspaper reports to this as well. But how did it all end up playing out for you? He wasn't talking to us. And I think what his plan was was that he was going to plead not guilty. Have a jury trial, which he did have a jury trial. A matter of fact, he even testified then it was a mistake that he was guilty. But the jury still returned a guilty verdict. And after that return he had requested and appeal of by disciplinary action to city personnel board after he was found guilty of the shoplifting. He dropped the appeal and what's the time line of this. The jury trial was in October and his personnel. Hearing date was set for the first and he elected not to have the personnel. Hearing least talked about an incident where Dangelo allegedly threatened you during this process of his termination, tell us about that. I believe it was September. I had purchased a new house. Just moved into that house and I woke up one morning, and my daughter who at the time was I guess about three four years old was laying on the floor sleeping. And I you know, I got up and I said what are you doing on the floor? And she said, well, I got scared last night. And I said, well what happened? What's what scared you? And she said, well, I woke up there was a light being shined in my bedroom window, and it scared me and at the time, you know, she at that age. Kids have a lot of nightmares. But I still went out and looked around the house. We just moved into the house and the house had no landscaping. It was all bare dirt disclaimed dirt. And in looked at around the house walking around the house. I noticed a number footprints leading up to the windows and door of the house. But the house was still basically on the construction matter of fact a day or so before they came to the house and put the screens on the house. Who knows what it was? New subdivision. Maybe someone's just looking around the someone had moved down. We didn't have curtains on the windows, Ernie things. I didn't really know what to think of it. And this wasn't a recurring event. No. That was the only time that it happened. It was a month month and a half later when I was contacted by our workers comp fund investigator who told me that Joe had filed a claim I knew he'd filed a claim he followed claim for stress. He said the stress of the job the stress of heaven MIA'S his boss had caused him to commit the shoplift. He blamed me for all his problems that he had gone to my house to try to find me and to kill me. However, he could not find my bedroom. I was very concerned, obviously. But a kid I still just didn't believe that he had actually done it. I thought it was a lie to get workers comp. I just didn't see him as a person that go out and kill somebody scary. My daughter was more traumatized than I even knew over this incident. Still remembers it when I told her that Joe had been arrested and that he was arrested. You know, being the the Golden State killer, these dairy rapist, she started crying. And she was she said, you don't know how much that bothered me my whole life, and she told me how she would crawl at night and to the bathroom. She never told me this at the time. I wish she would have. She never did. I ask why. She didn't tell me she says, well, she know. So so, yeah, it was very personal for her that scared of much curiosity did a worker's comp claim go anywhere. I really don't know you think would know that. But I always assumed that he did get anything. I thought it was a ploy to get money from the city. It was very common in those days for officers that when they were fired or disciplined to get workers comp as a result of that. And I I thought that that's what he had done. It was just trying to get something or trying to strike back at me for for firing him. And I guess it could still be that looking back on it. Now. You know, I wish I would have taken a little more serious bars should say, I probably should have. But it just didn't seem real lie. I really didn't believe he was threat. I really didn't think of Jodi Angelo, until you know, at the beginning of the year when I received a call from Paul holes, and who asked me some questions about Jodi Angelo after all this has your perspective changed has the arrest. Changed your life in any way. I've always been a person at tries to find good people and always believed that there's good in everybody. But with Joe Johns LOL everything I know now, I don't know if that's true anymore. I don't know what good. He brought to life. I can see as evil and probably the fact that he has committed this crime says probably changed my view. Humanity that. People are really evil sometimes than those of good in them at all. Thank you to former Auburn chief of police Nick Willockx in coming up. We're going to go back to our interview with Paul holes and pick up where just of James Dangelo left off in Auburn. We're going to pick back up our interview with polls as we discussed Joseph Jamesy Angelos time in Auburn. Now. Paul we talked a lot in the past about the aborted danville attack in July of nineteen Seventy-nine attack. Number fifty the last known east area rapist attack in northern California. Just to catch people up. The husband was a light sleeper. He's surprised east area rapist who had abort the attack now before the identification of Joseph diangelo as a suspected Golden State killer. There were a few theories as to wide east area rapist had stopped. Like, maybe he had been spooked. What did you think at the time? Well, you know at the time, you know, he is confronted by that bail in danville. July nineteen nineteen seventy nine. And then we have nothing else in northern California. After that, he shows up down and galena Santa Barbara in October Seventy-nine, you know, I my personal thought was is that something is taking him down to southern California. And I really thought that it was going to be his job. I did not feel that he got spooked as a result of the the danville attack. I thought his movements through northern California where based on his job, and then ultimately is job took him down to southern California. And while he's away from his home base down. There is deciding that he's going to continue as tax and ultimately escalate to the homicides, you know, when you start looking at the Angelo in his time. Online. This gets very interesting because you know, he ends up getting arrested by stack Sarah's office for shoplifting in that same month. Yeah. Like two weeks later weeks later, you know. So now he's been arrested by the the primary agency that's looking for him as the east area rapist. Additionally, he is now undergoing an internal affairs investigation by his his agency Auburn police department. So the pressure is really stepping up on him. And so you can see at this point. He is now in a tough spot where he can't risk going out and continue to offend while. He's up in northern California. He's got some bigger issues personal issues that he's having to deal with. So these stressors are adding up it gets very interesting that when you take a look at the. Sequence of him being arrested. And then ultimately the IRA results in him being terminated by Auburn police department that he now goes down to a leader for some reason down their attempts an attack on a couple that goes sideways on him. But then after that attack he's all the way back up in Sacramento court, basically being convicted of that soap lifting. That's like a six seven hour drive. Right. That's right. So he's he's going down to Santa Barbara. Then he's coming all the way back up to be in court. And then we know two months later, he's going down to Santa Barbara is down in Santa Barbara and killing Dr been evocative Manny. So this is showing, you know, with the end knowing the Angelo's movements, you know, what's happening happening to him is that he still Sacramento based, but something and I to this day do not know why he's in Santa. Barbara at the end to seventy nine, and I don't know if the active investigators figure that out I know they're still trying so, but it's it's fascinating to see that kind of movement all the way across California to commit those attacks. And that's one of those things you know, when I've assessed. Okay. What where was I? Right. Where was I wrong when I was looking at this as an unsolved case, you know, I really believe this guy has Sacramento base. That's his home base. And so this is showing me, you know, I kind of you know, with an educated guess got that. Right. You got that? Right. Yeah. I was still up to Sacramento, even though he was already offending down in southern California. But it's not even just a movement patterns. I mean thinking about you've just lost your job. It's very public. It's all over the newspapers. You know, you're being you've got caught with some weird stuff that you know, might have people look into you further. You're about to go to a jury trial where we know that just DeAngelis even testified on his own behalf. And yet you make it down to alita, you know, as the suspected Golden State killer. They're doing the aborted Galina attack than coming back up. Did a jury trial. It's just it seems like you'd be preoccupied with your trial to to not drive six seven hours away and commit another crime. Yeah. And that's where you know, one of the things that I really want to know is why was he down in galena in October seventy nine, and it was he because of the stress, you know, this does he go to Santa Barbara just to occasion because we know it is a vacation spot. Or was there something else that he was into you know, he's lost his job? He needs to start making money. He's got different skill sets outside law enforce such as well. The you know that he ended up taking on a security guard job type position that caused him to move around down to go into at this point. I don't know, and I would fascinated to find that out just so we can have a better understanding into how the you know, the mind of the Angela work during this really critical point in his life. I mean, this guy spent his entire adult live up to that point in criminal Justice and law enforcement type of studies activities this was his entity and it just got rid. Ripped away from him that had to be a huge blow to his ego right now. What do we know about the Angelo after he leaves Auburn, you know, not a lot of what I know at this point after he separates from Auburn PD at some point, you know, down downstream in terms of dates, he ends up becoming a truck mechanic, and is is is working as a truck mechanic. I believe down in southern California for a period of time before he relocates back up to the Sacramento area where he continues that career, but I don't know much more than that. Yeah. No, neither do we obviously. I think that we do know that ten murders are committed in southern California by what was then known as you original night stalker. Also, the Golden State killer. We know the Angelo had some family down here. And I mean, he spent some of his elementary school education down in southern California. And we do know that his second daughter. Was born down here. So yeah. So he ends up having three young daughters in taking a steady job as a mechanic back up in Sacramento, and then starts living a seemingly normal life. How would you describe his last three decades before his arrest? You know, I think in kind of going back to, you know, his age, you know, when he started offending as east area. Rapist thirty years old by the time of his last known attack, as you know, who's may nineteen eighty six because forty forty one years old, you know, so you start to see that he starting to get into that that older age range or a serial predator. This is where you start to see men and start to slow down a little bit. And as I mentioned multiple times. I think psychologically after the bingo Sanchez case that he possibly had decided I'm done, you know, Gregory Sanchez scared him and he walked away from that going. I don't want to be caught or. Killed or hurt and he stopped defending. And then whatever reason he ends up running across porno cruise one thousand nine hundred eighty six so after that point, you know, he's now living his life is offending as far as we know is behind him. But he most certainly is still identifying as the Golden State killer. He's making phone calls to some of his previous victims, you know, as late as in two thousand and one when he calls, you know, victim number fourteen twenty four years after he attacked her. So he's still thinking about his prime. He's still fantasizing about his crimes, and he's still following the media, and I can guarantee without knowing. I don't know anything for sure I can just guarantee just knowing this guy as an offender that likely he has seen just about every TV show that's ever been done on east area rapist. Or the Golden State killer up until the time. He was arrested. He has seen our work. That's creepy. That's great. So as you were putting together the puzzle of how the Angela's life lined up with the Golden State killer crime spree what stood out to you the most? What you don't want to be the prime bits of information that we got early on that yet fiancee's in one thousand nine hundred seventy named Bonnie, and you know, we had the Golden State killer as he's raping a woman up Davis and July of nineteen seventy eight that, you know, as sobbing, you know, as he's raping this woman in and he's and he's crying out. I hate you on the I hate you body. So we always thought are offended or had a body that was significant in his life. And this Bonnie that he was engaged to we could not find any record that they ever got married. So it looks like it was relationship that went sideways, you knows at that point. When I heard that. And I thought always gotta Bonnie he's down in Exeter. You know, when by aliens going on he moving up to Auburn, and he's got these connections to the Sacramento area, bats win. The Angela was we need to get at the NFL sample from this guy. Then that's when I drove up to his house. That's amazing. Well, thanks so much for talking to sue this. We're going to get to the house story in a bit. And this is all super fascinating. Thank you amazing. My pleasure. Thank you guys. Coming up next week, the two wildly different pictures of Justice, James, the Angelo as a police officer, the rising star in Exeter, and the sub park hop in Auburn, we'll hear more from the Angeles. Former boss retired Auburn police chief Nick willik on the Angelos performance with Auburn police force and now retired contra Costa county investigator Paul holes also returns to offer. Some insight into how the Angelo may have gone from good cop bad cop in such a short time period. And for more in the Golden State killer case, you can watch the entire unmasking killer documentary series on demand with CNN go and the entire companion podcast series, including these new episodes is also available at apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm joke Finn soon, and I'm Biagio Messina. 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New Man in the Window Episodes Available on Wondery+ Now

Man in the Window

04:55 min | Last month

New Man in the Window Episodes Available on Wondery+ Now

"New episodes of man in the window are available now exclusively with one replay in the wondering app and on apple podcasts. In spotify beginning december fifteenth the award winning podcast series from wondering in la times man in the window was one of the top shows of twenty nine thousand nine hundred and now there are two new episodes featuring exclusive breaking news on the case that shocked the world man in the window examined the harrowing story of the golden state killer for decades. He carefully planned and executed. Brutal home invasions no matter what they did. The cops couldn't track him down. After years of searching the dozens of crimes were finally tied to one man the golden state killer the man in the window. But the story didn't end there. New breaks in the case led to more shocking revelations after the release of the blockbuster podcast. The killer was finally brought to justice. New episodes of man in the window are available now exclusively with one three plus in the wondering app. You're about to hear a preview of man in the windows new episodes while you're listening. Subscribe to man in window on apple. Podcasts spotify or the wondering app a note to listeners. This episode contains graphic language and content. Lift the protesting man by the arms to steer him through the double doors of the back office. He screams shouting that. They're treating him animal and then fakes a full blown heart attack. The second the clerks loosened their grip. The man bolts. It was A fight struggle for many minutes. He's fighting with me on the floor in ron's there with me so the three of us are round the floor trying to try to control him trying to take something out of us. You know. we don't know what he's got in their gardner reaches into the man's pants and pulls out a hammer. Then we're going to pick them up and put him on the role in and still moving around and all that we are trying to do whatever we can do and also get somebody in the store to call the sheriffs. Get get here. We have this guys with us so they grabbed rope. Two sheriff's deputies arrived to find this man tied up in a chair. He's carrying little money and no identification but he is carrying a handcuff key. I used to be a cop. The man says he continues yelling and talking in circles. Rolling around in the chair says his head hurts and he's going to vomit. There's no sign of injury in his words. Don't make sense the deputies decide that this guy is mentally imbalanced. it's when the shoplifter asked the deputies to clear the room that the insanity act stops instantly. Joseph diangelo identifies himself as an auburn patrolman. He says he was quote just acting crazy because he was afraid we would call right up to auburn and tell them what had happened. Which is what deputy. Bill schroeder does right after he writes dangelo up for petty theft and watches the busted officer leave supposedly to go on duty now long retired. He says he doesn't remember the arrest or more precisely because he's been talking to current investigators. He has no independent recollection of the event. Neither he nor gardner can shed light on. What crazy things. Joseph diangelo was saying. I don't wanna use term crazy but it it it is crazy to think of Here's a guy that we just assume. Was somebody coming here stealing something for just a personal gain us at home. For whatever reason it's the summer of nineteen seventy-nine by this point deangelis raped more than forty women. He has killed three people but he starting to lose control of his victims is until later. They're really thinks that what the hammer was. all about. The narrow escape marks a shift and deangelis crimes from here forward. He'll seek to kill all of his victims. He'll move through the unsuspecting world as a human chameleon a man who shifts from innocuous too frail and then dangerously violent slipping into lunacy and out raising the question of which persona is in control. The many faces of joseph di angelo.

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Gervonta Davis Puts Leo Santa Cruz to  With Vicious Uppercut They Calling Him Mike Tyson Now

Tha Boxing Voice

3:29:39 hr | 3 months ago

Gervonta Davis Puts Leo Santa Cruz to With Vicious Uppercut They Calling Him Mike Tyson Now

"Need for mature audiences. The views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates enjoy. Hi this is michael buffer and you're listening to people. Let's get ready for boxing. Voice dot com division champion. Mike goff sierra's got thirty nine forty years old. Who division world champion. Jesse honesty therapy guerrero five inch mexican fans in texas design thoughts. That can only go to one white want. This adult was dot com before election staples low to watch input of fight. Watch me play especially things dot com together and you're fighting on the arts club from the tables ended options. What what. I what i welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen to fi- we can review box voice radio in the building. Hashtag tv podcast. We're talking to one tank davis and his explosive knockout of former four. Tom division champion. Leo santa cruz. Escame on early mikey's intro. Because once upon a time he thought tank had him for anybody. He was clowning them for the game. Boa fight and now people talk in the tank is just what. His nickname indicates the one the next one. If not a true pay-per-view star. We seen them in his post fight saying that he was already told that the numbers are gonna be good so i don't know how true that is but we hit a tall jovana tank davis and his knockout over. Lille santa cruz and guess the rest of this weekend's fights if you're interested you know the number to call in one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one per one one time bush opinion right here on the voice of the people hotline. Now don't forget. You can also add mr gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation for many in anywhere in the world and still at your two cents to this particular conversation. Do you want to be the guy to bring up those other people when tank for today. Did you feel that those other people are significant enough to bring up or does tank eclipse the entire weekend wouldn't explosive performance of what was being said at least in his division. Leo could have been a plus a minus eight plus fighter and tank whitewashed them with one uppercut ninety. Nine go to sleep. Don't let the bedbugs by. Listen what's going on. Francis and canada corpus christi. Mario mongia what do what what Yo crazy crazy weekend fights and it was like a whole month of worth of great fights he film so it was I ended with the bang on halloween. What you can't write that stuff. What's up y'all you already know who. It is francis all away from toronto. Canada listen man this weekend definitely capped off one if not the most exciting weekend in boxing completely with Devante take davis trick or treat. He didn't trigger's definitely gave us a treat on halloween. Shot out the tank. Davis shot at the lille. Santa cruz you know. Seems to be all right. And let's get into a lot more fights to get into. I'm excited because listen again. They don't like to hear me talk. Because i'm always dead on my predictions for the most part but said davis will take santa cruz by murdering when i said murder i got flack ford but i meant by vicious kale and that is what we see any look like he almost died. Go ahead now. He did look he. Wasn't i the minute the minute that uppercut landed. All i could think of was boys in her. You want to see a dead body. 'cause my man was not moving. She'll but here's the thing go okay. Here's the thing though to me. Murder means like yo he just destroyed them and leo didn't do nothing like he ran over him right and and that's not what happened. Leo looked good at times. Early in the unit is. Let me tell you literally the know he did he did he rip on tripping you misinterpreting him and hopefully you understand me and maybe everybody else seen it this way right like it's it's more. 'bout the successively. Oh have was was given to him. It was it was allowed for him to have it because tank had a game plan to walk them down as you can see. He was parrying shots with either hand he was just walking like squid and just like perry and shots. You know what i'm saying. So i think mario froze up here. No you definitely frozen like my cameras throws all right. Let me Getting come back out. So yeah man francis he was pairing shots kinda like paddling system walking in high. God he's like. Oh get that outta get that you know some one time even punts one of his right hand. Get that out at you. Don't say so. He could get his position. He was muscle and his way in he was using his arms to create space. And any fucking gave that mike tyson like in uppercut and i mean it was over. It was over like for over four quick second thought. Damn leo might take tank a little bit late. Because every now and then he will lanna right hand tank would be forced to take that one step back you know every now and then he would land a little flurry punches. But it just felt like tank was comfortable. He knew that leo couldn't hurt him. He just kept walking them down. Walking down man you know what it is for you. I'm a piggyback on something that you always like to see fighters coming to ring with some type of sweat. And that was what i listened to the post fight interview tanks. He came in and he was kind of dry. He didn't really get what i mean when he started to get his sweat and i was like between the fourth and fifth round. That's when you start to see him. Perry jabbing started picking up the gears. Like oh i'm actually really in a fight. And i'm i'm i'm i'm warm now. Ready to go. And as you keep saying it. It keeps making a lot more sensitive fighters coming out with a little bit more sweat. It's almost ready to go. They don't have to waste no time to two or three rows to get going to get a rhythm. Leo came in. He was already in over them from from the bell. He was good to go historic punches. But it was only a matter of time tank was trying to land left uppercut all night. It was just a matter of time before he got the time right and landed it man and and listen every seen the power man. We've seen the power. We're seeing the power on full display The boxes kills the definitely there. He got touched up a little bit more than he probably would like to. You probably got touched a little bit more than he likes to. But that's leo's game lose games on for pressure for him. He like man knows pity past year. He got a little odd swell but he had a mission and a plan to put that that that you know. Put that plan into motion that was. I'm going for the stoppage. I'm cut his distance. He wasn't trying to cut the distance with a job. He literally was walking down. And if you can't see that you can't see him parents shots. He wasn't afraid of anything. That leo was was was dishing out. Don't get me wrong. I was a little excited fully on. I'm seeing them last. Oh wow but. I quickly realized tink is. He's planning tanks game. Yeah listen and that definitely could have been The bigger factor of it. All but i just think seen leo do what he was doing last night. Expecting him to you know work off the back foot early on try to like take a deeper waters. Maybe and and and you know. Just let him get tired. No leo went out there and try to push that effort you know. He landed some pretty significant shots. Early on i think he at times pushing back in a way that we didn't think would happen. I hear I think that he put his mike headphones next to the microphone. Anyway so you know i. It was good to see. I'll put this. i'll put it this way. I remember a few people. I can't remember exactly who i know. Cyp was one of them a few others. That had talked up. Leo so much that i was like well. I don't see what they see in him. But that leo last night he is one of the best. You know at that way. Class like that leo. Last night is is the toughest on tanks resume and taint deserves all the credit in the world beating him. That's a tough tough fighter. He deserves all the credit. And it's the best win on his resume. But that leo leo right. There needs a new trainer. That leo right this tom. Your father took you. This level is over. you fought on champ. He got nothing to be ashamed of your father but it's time to move on. He wasn't getting his head off the line he's doing three or four punch combinations even five sometimes standing right there in front of a power puncher. That's why the power puncher. Dan let me get my head off the line. Yours is still going to be there. Take over here and lille still right etta leonard. He way over here like know if gordon said it best. He said that he was thirty. Was hurt thirty seconds before the knockout came and he was he got hit with a big left hand followed up with a right hand And or switch those but he was hurt heading into that and he started throwing. I think he was trying to get a tink off. It was like he was only reading room. It was like a switch. It was like it was like an invisible giant grab wheels head and turned his head to turn the tv on and once it turned at that one eighty lights out. 'cause you can watch them still being awake like he takes that punched he's trying to. He's trying to stay up. You see like oh he buys down on mouthpiece but then at one point ahead turns to a certain ninety degree angle. Zeus went off lights. Go out my man just reminded me of the old and you like holy shit lights are out. How how like his head. Twisted like dana garcia knocked. His that little head twitch. The lights just went which man was like. Clap clap clap. it was cool. He just went down. I'm like damn. It was a big time performance bay time stage fake when it was a sore making night take data tank or tank was already a star. We talking start was man and and these levels at this point. He is passing each test. Say your dollar shave. Ron denied that he had the streets with him. You know if you look at all the major sports media outlets and all the major sports stars you know who. They're talking about tank davis man but that's the levels on the streets last week and now you're talking about the sports networks. This week know what levels i'm talking about. I've got gotta nickel sportscenter. He had a little. Who's evert walking out. Lucy vert represents the youth my man. That's what i'm trying to show you. Man got the street. that's talking about. Spn abc nbc. You still not talking about that but you also knew that before. All these at these are on. Espn was all over ears. And you're talking about this is my point. That's my point. This night created a star and we saw it spreading catapult through the mainstream media in a way that we had never seen before. So we're saying we're saying the same thing you're saying it in a different kind of way. I think i think both senators same thing but honestly i think that francis is wrong. You can't say he was a stall before this. This or this is josh for me. Knocked pechanga he was a star. I mean i don't know man. I don't know like i mean numbers indicated in terms of social media. And stuff like that but you know in this day and age unfortunately you know a star is is is really. Based off accumulates so many things can come into play like accolades viewership pay per view buys titles is so much they can come into play. Let's just let's just real famous manning one getting don present or listen. I'll tell you the one thing though that that separates him okay because in a in a digital age where everybody wants these ten second clips and everybody wants these brief moments that pass by what he did on. This night was satisfy a mass audience. Who wanted a great fight through but also wanted to see something really cool on their twitter. You know. And he did that and so. That's such a huge moment for him. That's what makes it a big the issue guys though that. I think that's the issue like if you go on instagram i went on instagram to find the fixtures for today's overlay and whatnot and every body has the clip of the knockout. You don't need to buy the fight so we need to see. Is he a star that makes people spend money or is he a star that people want to see. 'cause that's two different things get somebody to open up. Their wallet is totally different from getting somebody tune in and if you go to instagram brought his knockout is all over. So he's getting that recognition. He's getting those eyeballs. But is it going to matter in the pay per view baas because that is the indicator star. I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you why and you know what a lot of people here a lot of people talking. We're talking about a young man twenty five years old as twenty. What does he twenty four. Note with twenty three knockouts what everybody loves most about the heavyweight division and most about boxing and and most combat sports is knockouts. Why deontay wireless so popular because the knockouts and one can guarantee when you go to a tank show or you watch tank show is you're gonna see tank close the show. That's what makes him a star man. That's what makes his crossover. That's what made people open their wallet and by because they going to see a show. No no no no. No you see you confusing those are star making qualities. But it's got it's got to translate you. You have all the characteristics. You could be the big punch you could be the great talker you know. You had a great promoter but are you a star. Is it going to translate because guests. Who else on like a ten fight. Knockout streak good. Guess tarrant crawford but but but we we. We are not accent ourselves or debating. How big of a star. He is because everything is different. Mari opened up with this levels. We need to see the numbers that is the indicator but again stopped making it about that. Let's make about the performance that no one lived up to that type of performance this entire weekend like a heavy. He didn't even give us that with a thirty six year. Old with nine losses out of those nine maybe three or four comeback. We're talking about a young guy that is in his mom that just flat into four division champ like carl. Frampton was in the ring with him. Adama's twice frampton in the ring with him twice as many other people in the ring with them. They gotta go twelve. Leo throws a thousand. You know this guy. Made leo throw less punches and knocked them smooth out but it's not even like we need to start worrying about numbers because he didn't get a tko. He didn't get a the father throwing in the towel. The doctor coming in bro. He put his lights out. So i think that's an again. This is an elite level performance. When you think about saw and what he the raza and then watch a fi guys like loma chango and beltran and become a second time world champion. You gotta admire tank. But he needed that second one and here it is. This is a second huge win. In also funny about the nazis saying like i mean we're talking about a little guy generating that type of power from his body and i look at it and and then i say to myself okay i look at the lille i look at the leo leo -til fema lopez versus lomu tanko fight. And i say to myself what one was more exciting fight. What one was more explosive. And no one had a knocker versus the other but which one would would at the same closer to same division and i would say tank was more of a show a tank fight more than would feel more. That's just a fact to it but we're not talking about that. We're talking about is the savagery which were the way. Hank didn't listen ten. Leo's dad was shaking his arm. Like joe is he alive. I don't know if you guys seen that little. He fell right in front of his dad. Cold out code is that took shook his arm leg out understand. I'm saying savagely and for me. Six rounds six halfway through the fight. Men have we fight. He woke up and started man. That's telling you that's a real quick. I see some haters in the comments section. And they like. Oh now all of a sudden you know he's fighting elites always fighting one hundred and twenty six pounders. He says plenty of competition at one. Three five Whose fault is that. Whose whole does that ponce de leon. Within his way all his career like this plenty of people to stay with the new way. Like don't gotta move up to fight devon haney or none of them do if if he could keep making wait like he did. That's his prerogative. If you can make the way you fight you play. You can't be mad at him that he's crushing people below and say move up because because it would be different if he was the one thousand five hundred though you get it like. That's not what's going on with this. He made the weight and if he can make the weight. Then that's you know we. Here's the thing i thought. He moved up faster than i thought he would originally. But you look at where leo's done. I mean you could call it across divisional type of fight. You know what. I'm saying like however you wanna put it. I mean leo's you can't take away from what leo's done before like he was legitimate. Legitimate opponent commercial listen. It doesn't matter if you knew elite level win. It doesn't matter if you knew going into the fight and you felt like tank was gonna get this stoppage lille still had never been stop and and yeah this is only lille. Second fight at one thirty But lille did all he was going to do at one twenty six. you know. it's not over for tank right the people that say. Oh go move up you mad. That he knocked out leo. I don't want him to move. Joseph di is juniors there with the chicago stevenson. Is there miguel berg. Shell is there. Djamil harran is. I don't want him to move. All those other fights would see a femoral. Deb haney brian garcia autos. Big fights absolutely cannot see his promote of trying to make them absolutely but does he need to move up to police. You know he's good at one thirty this plenty of ice to me. He could be undisputed at one thirty am. I don't know that he that he could. I'm back in the young man should call. I never seen nobody at that age. Say that they knew fight. The big fight was gonna be tanked so like he. He's already been going to sleep. And waking up with tank on his. so he's east. From my area for mannequin awards. He's from the nar seven three north new jersey. We're gonna ride with him if him and tank fight until him and saying. I don't think nobody could stop tank at one. Thirty may maybe him and joseph. This is the fight. He needs to another mexican. That's gonna probably not get knocked out if he could knock out joseph. Da now we talking. If you knock out. Joseph di as i mean i was power is questionable. I'm not saying oh you not just is your powers real you knock gotta joseph. Yeah if i had. If i had my pick if i had my pig politics aside pick macgill burchett. That's who i'd wanna see to me. That is the probably most fifty fifty fight. I can imagine in that weight class And it would just be amazing to see their styles. But i one hundred percent agree with you. I think that for everybody that would assume that he should go up to one thirty five. Like you're assuming too much that way classes filled with a bunch of guys that not only does it work monetarily from guys like joseph diaz but it works in terms of giving him the credit You know that he's going to continue to gain throughout his career. You know and so there's just a lot of options there super chats. Es sir let me go to them. We got a couple here. We're going to refresh If you haven't already done so don't forget the hit. That thumbs bunny helps with the visibility of this show helps us grow. Lets us know you appreciate us coming out sunday evening when all those other sports usually are on here to talk boxin and some post by tank leo and the rest of the weekend underwhelming. Let's go out to plain view. Texas big supermax. Who is making an official now. We gotta see smoking. Jay wants a big supermax super chattan says supermax versus smoke them out. Jay is official for border wars. Now supermax guys phone. Make sure he's agreed. And then it's really official. But i mean you agree in. He wanted you already. You agreeing makes it definitely fifty percent there. We got mad bent one hundred who just called in the other day shutout he said i like bernstein's commentary just before the acu dega. What am i missing. Something here guys is some sort of a abbreviation another sport. Maybe i don't know you guys know. I'm i'm i'm boxing. Oni no idea. No latin okay. Ac you a aiko aqua aqua you need another the i dunno champ We got her andrey panipat support. He says great weekend of tank talk. But how can he maintain this momentum. We are nation that forget quickly. What is be gained plan to build up. Twenty twenty one I think just set everything that they gotta do golden boy they're going gonna pick up the phone. If if lloyd call saying we wanna give joseph di as a shot. They're going to pick up the phone. You know they did already remember. They fall gary russell. You know burchill top rank them seems a little harder to make. They might lead that belfort for loma loma might go back down and fiber channel and start over. So i don't know but momentum is there because you know they could we're ryan ryan beats campbell again monday and tuesday next. That's the next fight for me. Yeah but not until monday and tuesday. We need those numbers because if he did go pay per view numbers then oscar is going to be willing to play ball if he did under. It'd be did one hundred and twenty. Nobody's gonna there's no money this so so so. So how are we going to split that. You understand what i'm saying. But he if he shows his draw. Ask i with the element of ryan. We could probably get somewhere. You know what i'm saying. Usually all all they're totally banking on the fact that they're both had big social media presences. Hopefully that turns into numbers and just the young fans. You know what. I'm saying young fans that everybody's been wanted to find a way to get to boxing. You know what i'm saying. Get to the middle aged to older man. Get the young guys. And you know what i'm saying paying attention to box. I think that's what they're banking on this solely banking on tank and davante being big social media stars. That will bring out the other stars and make a big numbers go ahead. You're vaunting intake. Sorry safari ryan my applause. Thank you know. i just don't think they're going straight into ryan me neither me neither and i don't think they need to think at this point tank has shown that you know i. He's a draw. I think that he shown he can make star star performances. Each time out. I think that he's shown what he can do. On the big stage and I don't know of ryan is in a position where we can say that. I don't know if ryan passes that same test right this minute. And if he doesn't then you know what kind of fight really isn't yet but i think it's close thinking about tests though like it's more about do we want to risk it and is the risk is the risk risk worth the reward. Because we know ryan's not on tanks level you know. Tank tank destroyed a world champion. And now his he just destroyed another current world destroy. He's not destroying former world to its current world champions. He's knocking out so so golden boy is afraid. For that reason. They're their investment. Could be ruined in one night but if to tank did three seventy five five hundred. You know anne sexy. It's worth the money because you just write a rematch. 'cause like we'll do it but give ryan a rematch either way and then it's worth the money you know it's two fights. The reason i picked draw on the first wow defiant. Powers-that-be always wanted to go to thomas. Or no you're looking. At all. The rematch behind zillion white had a rematch close on an interim seidel. Who who else got a rematch. We forgot we talked about it briefly. And it wasn't even a belt is straight up rematch. My man got a rematch. It's like dave allen had a rematch versus lovejoy. There was no belt. Did i gotta rematch clause on my popularity score man. You are emmy you might. You might make my score. Because i'm the one. So i need a rematch. Just in case you beat me. That's what they're doing these days so in a world where that's what they're doing. You know i think tanks sitting real real good man. I i see guys with the one thirty five but those dues got things to do. You know devon devon ca fight. te'o now take eight in that. Mix devin confide teo teo ca fi right. We says the because he's on top rank. You know this regis out there you know tank aid in that mix one win over gamboa. The let's be real ten months ago. Everybody laughed at all of a sudden that win puts them at the top of one thirty five and he needs to move up. 'cause he ain't beat jamal harrison and joseph di as acting right. He cleaned houses division. And it's time to move up the one thirty five like those big fights with ryan devon but he not done over here like can we get some unification's at least so are we going to just start trump in we. Are we making the wpa. Twenty twenty one to wbz. Because it ain't it ain't like it's too many versions of that bell for for you to just get the wpa and be like i'm done with this division. You need at least the i. B f whoo order. Wbz with that wba. to be. Like i now. I want to move up and i get if take wants to move up. I don't want anybody miss. You know he'd been struggling. He would've you if you want to move. He could move. But i'm just saying there's a lot of unfinished business at one thirty. There's no rush you know gonna come right back down. That's still pay per view. Maybe now that loma loss but you know he coming back down he no. He can't hang with the big boys. And i think tank stop slow moment if lhasa doing percent percent. That's doing that. And what so boy. 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I'm saying this december fifth boorda was nine. You don't wanna miss it if you can't be there be sure to jump on it out. Let's get you back in shape man. Let's go let's go. Yeah actually yo. I gotta check my texas. When was the last weight check in supermax if it was seven days it's time to check in chant. It's time to check in. We're gonna go ahead and move on from tank. I really don't want to. But i know some of you guys want to talk a new way. The fake monster tank is the real monster. A new way got a lille santa type win and this is what i'm saying when we say you know don't be a sheet man. Don't be led astray by these boxing writers. And and these these widows these who does do maloney maloney and i come on man maloney bologna. Mario maloney bologna. You're tripping you trip. Wiz leo santa cruz where his wife taking on a fucking list. Won't you make a case for that. So me how me who. The equivalency to leo is in that division and who's the visit in annoys noise division. Damn showing exactly. That's what i'm trying to tell. You already beat the donor okay. But that was shared. And that's my that's my hobby big-name win. Let's let's not do that. I don't wanna go and forth about big name winds. I mean. I feel like already heard you lose by saying he already be donate someone that was already feel like people already understand. This conversation based on outcome is in christopher columbus donated when he discovered america bunch of years ago. And then rigo came you talking about. Oh losses mama. Y'all because he'd be the thirty eight donayre and twenty nine seaman man pounds town because he went into divisions like monster right so maloney. Maloney was top ten. I again you said you don't wanna get into the conversation right to the into the performance conversation because that was as terrific as tanks. I mean there were both incredible monstrous knockouts and off the kind of person that put someone down to bring someone up. Look at things know on even kills like yo what he did. yes leo. Santa cruz is not the commercial name. I mean i'm sorry. Maloney's not the commercial named leo. Santa cruz is so. I understand that but this is boxing. It's a sport and at the end of the day. These guys go out there and they put in performances like that. They both deserve credit. I i just go ahead issue. I got an issue. You being called the monster in like you kill in farmers man. You know that's nice nest hold on hold on hold on listen. Listen the reason why. He's called the mindset lesbian on the reason why it's called the monsters is based on. His is the same reason. Why tank is called tank. His speed and power is is amazing for that size. He goes through people like a monster tag kits. People like a tank. Just like ted cruz. Who stood in wake up here. But we're not talking about that and talk me right now. But that's my issue. Oh francis like tank. Is knocking out world champions in day prom nah no need to donate their on his third comeback. Like i know boxing that was his third comeback. World's boxes super series gave him a third opportunity. You know what i mean like. I'm not gonna be fooled. I know boxing. I know his first promoter was top rank. I know bias. I know a second promoter was golden. Boy are nobody's even started working with den. World boxes super series revived his career. Like i'm not falling for the espn high machine. Like is a new way. Good probably. I haven't watched them because he ain't for nobody. We're watching set for doing that. I mean i think i did. Watch the two in the world series a box eh nest nest you. You've been a little bit of a hypocrite. I gotta call you on the call you on and tell you why don't really mess with the lower division so but matter who knew it's not gonna why it's not true not true listen to me. That's not true. That's a narrative gap it. I think about it think about it. That's a narrative from people that are mad that the lower division isn't as heavy as all the other divisions. But if i don't watch the lower divisions how do i know about regal's career entirely. How long has been fighting right now as a pro and i watched every single one of his face so we go we go rigo was what one hundred and fifteen pounder. What about think about it. How do i know adna mars. And what did he start. If i don't know lower weights. And if you're going to believe the narratives of the internet. While then i know i guarantee you watch abnormals versus johnny perez on show box. Maybe seven years ago. Go ahead and lie. I guarantee you. You didn't see fucking nonni. Toenail live versus victoria. So it's a narrative sell been watching the little ways. I just been saying the same fucking thing. It's three names every division may be if that so you can't pound for pound vehicle and new. They just make him pound for pound ten doing pound for pound things. That's pound for pound knocking out current world champions in day prom. Not thirty five like see what we like to say. Nello do or none of that. He knocking out current champs. Not not he not knocking out game boa and being called the months of their own. No you don't know those guys but nobody calls. Is you know one of the was one of the top five at that division feed them. Everybody thought that one call those piano was going to be that world is nineteen and know when they thought he beat him for me. Todo nair made himself through the tournament as well and by the way. Here's the part that you're leaving out is that that was not supposed to be the fight. Last night they were supposed to fight the monster himself. Kasa mero which is probably one of the biggest fights and all the boxing that right there was supposed to be the fight and it couldn't get done because of the pandemic to why why. Why is that the fight mario for because they're both monsters because they both have tidal belts because they both ran through their opponents. In just like you said it with the newly perfectly The same speed and combo casimiro is much more aggressive much more. You know willing to take shots. It's one of the best fights. I think stylistically in boxing. But you just gotta give me credit. You can't come out here. And say i agree with you. Maloney wasn't the best opponent. But there are circumstances going on beyond everyone's control is clean up real quick because mario kind of came in and had very passionate speech a lot of fire in could've swayed some listeners. By accident chew console true. Be so jamie mcdonnell isn't a monster. Jamie mcdonnell biggest win was toki kameta. Jalen donal had already lows before twice before new way for them so he didn't so so when he came in he's like oh he beat guys like jamie mcdonnell and then he mentioned who was the next dude. You mentioned who also lost. Oh yeah juan-carlos gano. He tried to act like rashi warranty and when his world title five years ago offered by yarra. And this is what i'm saying for certainly do that. Same or she warned. Who's one of the best olympians amateurs in american history. That guy cool cool cool. I see you again passionate. Listen so this is what i'm saying. So this is what. I'm saying for one dude. We over hyped. So when she american who went to the olympics three. Tom beats by yano gets two belts. He gets no credit for the show and then the belt that he has nobody kids. He don't get no unification's nothing but now today a new web each baiano by the way. Who's my bridge dominican. Sammy sosa style. But baiano been be like stop telling me oh this. Do you know who wasn't be bailed. Rasa wasn't leo santa cruz. That's let's talk about ten replacing a new way tonight on the pound for pound list. Because he's done more than a new way. Why are we still calling dude. A fucking monster for beating up old dudes and dude. Nobody who the fuck knows. Johnny mcdonnell i do. Because i've been watching boxing for a good part of my life but who the hell knows in corpus. Christi say yo undefeated emmanuel rodriguez like tell me who is police. Tell me name. Three five. Four without press box right. Tell me who he signed. Promoter who's manager. What's his fucking instagram. Stop lying for these dudes because espn says fucking in new as a master stat. A monster that hot and the real record did he don't got day amongst no because tired of these fucking talk about the fucking a new ways they come out of nowhere you know they way the size of my come out of nowhere for you for you because you don't watch got that's why your chance further. Stop anytime listen to hold him until you say this little all right. You don't even get mind you. That's a lie. that's a lot. I s on and we to you got that got it that good now got it. Got it i got. That's the biggest cable provider so chocolate tito was making that name you didn't. And that's why you don't put respect on his neighbor because he'd been putting out fighting every year for the for his entire career and yet you don't know because that's his washington fight of the year award. He made such a name for himself francis then when he got on the big stage right when they put the lights on him he got beat by dude literally said he ate rats. Roma man had already had like three town. By talking about an ele- voyeur he'd already become the wholesomeness. Imagine weather's guy imagine how may weather imagine for mayweather losers to some do from thailand. Whose diet consists of dead rats. But he's pound for pound. Come on man got to do this. I should fly whether your imagine. Floyd is show and him saying oh i was one of the best junior lightweight. But you know what we don't wanna talk about. That was lighter weight class. Let's talk about your welterweight wins. Those winds don't count because they were in the smaller division. Let's talk about your actual wins welterweight. Bustle you do understand that. That was like a waste of your saliva in vocabulary right like literally talking about the lightweight. Division like tank is in the lower division. You still trying to pay the narrative. Don't exist oh let's exploit mayweather. If we can talk about his junior dog talking about at one thirty you sound stupid you try to. All we gotta do is tell the truth. He not a monster nephew when he gets real. Let's tell real fight. When he gets real vitals lower divisions you tell the truth. i'll tell the facts. That's how this shows always got and it works well so francis you tell me because he's gonna play that side of the street so good. I ain't got time to argue with him. Who's the guy that could prove it to the rest of the world. Because he he believes he's a monster who's the guy in new way has to fight at one. Eighteen approved the. He's really a monster. That's inside casamayor. Customer gyro he also lost to already like you know who is a fog. What you mean to me who gives a lost means that that guys piece of shit. No i'm saying that. That's not what i'm saying i'm saying there. There is a blueprint you saying. I'm saying there is a blueprint. If you lost once someone can study how you lost make you do it again. Try be try only name the only name that that that could give him that. Type of recognition would be a lewis. Mary and louis. Mary himself is not really like a big name. So to speak as i could cost over name but louis near would be that only you know with any listen. The i was the only one with any real commercial appeal because of how heidi was coming from the amateurs. Top rank. put him on every major card showcase them when he was not. He didn't even have a you know more than two or three wins and he was getting prime time exposure. So you know. He is the commercial appeal but there are so many incredible fighters alani. There's a great fighter Casimiro i said you know. There's a bunch of great fighter lewis near. He's a great fighter. I mean these are all great fighters raping around that weight class of one eighteen. He say that the do that. Three five hundred swi- franko good. What's out to joy somebody clip. This is a man do void trilogy. Glad you do. Ask gotta trinity okay. So we start comparing all basketball players to jordan like what are you talking about right ankles in a standard. That's way up there. I don't know that language arts subjects which are thinking about michaela maher's taking on evil. She won her first world championship. The wb title. What do y'all think about that. I watch it at the honest because it was laid by china. Tinky saying watch and so i think our way. I'm glad she one though she came up with a game plan That this fighter was going to kinda box but instead stood like the klitschko style. She punched punch hold. You know what i mean. She was spending issues rough. She was on the inside good work. She had to clean a work on the inside when and when she was at range. Her job was working very beautifully It was a tough fight for her but gladys she was able to make a decision unanimous decision. All the way all the judge at the same way Eva what is it broader. Linka brought an inca she came. She gave a good effort. But you could definitely see that killer would just a level or two above her. Joe super tasio. I would be more excited to talk about the by washington. I really wanted to watch her fight. You know think tank took over the knife for me But we got some super chaz one from big supermax who says. Let's talk about the bad advice from leo's corner right before that row. They told him tank with spent and let him down the slaughter. Big mistake yet. he. I didn't hear i wasn't listening to really to the corner to be honest with you man. I didn't even hear his father. Say that did you guys. I didn't hear that. Actually i know. I heard his brothers. His brothers were saying denied. His father's brothers were saying you know. Listen tanks get tight as like leo. Just one or two more rounds hold on for one more two more rounds or we're gonna get you going to be your fight. Fifth and sixth round is gonna be fight getting tired getting tired so they did say that they did or remember The only corner six round the sorry not to catch the sixth round near. Oh don't worry just take your time stay out of the way and boom you got knocked up. Go ahead word. The only thing. I remember from the corner is i remember. Taint getting back to the corner after relatively tough round. It wasn't around that. I think he lost her anything. It was just you know. He was a finding ads which came down they. They seem panicky and then he was getting floyd telling him things and then it was trainer. Time things and it was just so much bro. Y'all got to let him do his thing like don't overwhelm him in. But that's the only thing that's stood out but you know it didn't matter man had it will in control yeah. He was focused. Honestly to be honest with you when he said yeah when he started to get touched up by By by leo. He got a little bit upset. Got more focused in. And when i touch up getting those arm punches literally punched heart. Used done a lot more powerpoint as well. Let's get to the next fight. We'll fight we got nice. Well we'll guess the mo- supercharge we got carlos de as the says similar to loma versus degel more same difference is he talking about leo versus tank. 'cause it's not. This was one division. They moved up not to a leo. An leo had to fight before he phase ten good and so I was saying when i saw the knockout i was like damn is this equivalent to con- versus of cannella of the name that i was like damages so chinni so leo never been down. Ko but a guy like tank. Come on you can see it coming. That's how i was like damn. I wanna put that bad out there which i didn't but yet bet three six five is what i discovered that. Become a mess with them. There was another dirt. Said it was like yo. Is this like you'll all those fights to ninety versus cal. You may know money last night. You ain't as i did when siobhan double. Yes i take the. Ko you ain't go on record and say what you was in way show. You can't show that that you doubled your money. You can't show that that's what you're talking about. You started a gofundme me. To put to put one hundred leo. What you're talking about a last minute. Stop stop it. But what i will say. Is this man what i will say this though. What what i will say is there's no borderline six borderline pumpkin drop the qin at a b. I wanna say it. I'm just saying okay. Okay and and say. Kim add be dropped spelling tests. Yo yo you know what it is. I just wanted to understand. Is you know what it is to call. Ten fights rather nine fights the way they're going to go down and have should should the ticket like come on man. I had a ten five paul. Lay that it would have been like you know what i'm saying downpayment money. You know what. I'm saying so the best up though i see. I think i got a hold of this ship. I i remember when they was asking me on friday. I don't know what day was thursday. It was like yo you got. She's zora or sick. And i was like zorro been laid out full exactly did i did not say that francis but we pick knockout you for usa. Yeah he just didn't get it because he's a pumpkin. He got the unanimous decision win. He's a pumpkin seed apart. Midnight man is midnight. He by the turn back into cinderella man. Some for some reason. I just pitcher like all my time lodge. Zora was laid out on his back. Thought but that might have been wrong. I wish she would have been laid out. Geocaching took full gear with the ko. I got george couple so with the win. Who's your goal progress. The win mayor with in in new at the ko and win fifty brought me back. Seventeen fifty with more money more mining and after the pfizer over bowl. Two thousand fifty cent to oh damn two dollars and fifty cent major seventeen fifty brennan whether you've been smiling fucking day. I really feel bad for gay though. It was like an eleven team paula. That's what i'm trying to tell you what. I'm sorry sir. i feel bad for because now thinking about it. What he's sarim four days leading up to the fight he was saying vodka was stop in. Leo and i know my man makes that he would have put that big bet on it. Yo he would have cashed out on mail. He was never plus money for the. Ko francis himself told me on three six five two hundred or hundred will get you a buck. Sixty for the kale. Exactly exactly i mean money. He's not plus money and rica. You gotta get you gotta watch more beaten odds with tv you him you got to explain what the pluses and minuses me. Now that that's how do we explain it on that on our show friday you know is the and show you know at at ya gotta have an entry level. 'cause you start talking the numbers in classes and what you're doing now you've got to do what you're doing now which is ask questions during that lob show so that they could be answered. That's how that's how you go about it. You're gonna love by because they got cash out. So defy looked like or the game look like going sideways. You cash out gaffe. You're leading shot outside. sony man. Sony may like seventeen or thirteen hundred offer. Twenty five dollars me. Y'all y'all shutout doane my host jay kelce to shell kells woody me. I don't know he says the slip last night. It was big money. Like eight hundred. I think i hate it on on sony though. I hate those dudes man. I know i know francis do that to our like cheetahs yet. Cheetahs making bets with with nascar car in boston the celtics. I'm like oh dot. That ain't that ain't come on man. You got me gambling outside the box. I don't mess. Know cricket in nasscom ticket me. i can't do. they win more money than me. Yeah i'm just trying to bed on. That's what i know about. I can't begin outside the box. Meant but you'll be doing those too much parleys man but i'm sitting pretty listen ticket two months pseudo. There's no but let me let me tell you extreme. Hey but look look that was the cleanup though. So the paul as we different friday thanks to use it. He ruined them. So my cleanup by having te'o as asleep or a couple of weeks ago that's that replenish the account. You know what i'm saying. It replenish and gamy prophet like everything that i bet. I've recruit plus. Prophesy i gotta have those in the cut minimum long ones. I try to keep savannah in it. It would have been better if they would've that kiss my savannah fight -ment because i had it when she first was finding rank and i her by saba she got to stop his last night. Right so you remember. That's why i lock it in her. Go back and watch it if you lock your early you get the best odd sumer. I wanna rewind because Francis just called out some needs right like the like to like the regis progress. And more ghia mario for last night George george cotton. Mario borrows listen. Yeah go ahead trying to set. Mario barrios regis up. You heard the telecast. So he can't get. I mean barrio. Who got his hands to be right now. When when i told you about one her others he came in a way pissed off that he was overweight and knocked geraldo nasty man. Progress is no joke. Joke one forty at thought the same when he when he lost. I was like no way he could lose and he lost branches that his opponent was legit so i put them none of my parlays. I i noticed that. I want to say that. The fights last night the fight itself. The atmosphere was the first time we saw boxing with the audience. Right since whenever this year and joe that had a whole different energy. Man like davis. Leo leo is a good guy he got knocked out. I felt bad for him. But i saw coming come on the knockout kes- that's worse than dead house execution he had. This is the first tom ever in Brought to get touched up that many times though he was own purpose man he not on purpose not like they used to say good. Ninety is just hit. That was the game plan to cut the distance. And not with the jab. He's his parents. Well listen. I wanted to get your cautious right there. I want to get before you got to ask you a question. I gotta ask you a question. Real quick my real quick. Have you guys ever seen somebody wake up from a knockout smilin in any fight. I mean look of smart. I'd rather see them smiling. Rather you wake up smiling and then waco from that knockout. Not looking himself in us. Be at least you got a lovely. Oh that's exactly what you got baliles. Smiley face period. Yeah that's a good point. That's the super quick mix in madison. We missing a lot apologies. They said we're alex man. We gotta get to the super chaz dan. That's how bad we doing. Let's see let's see. Let's see carlos the said that j brown twenty five cents. Smoke him out. J. accepts the smoke with supermax. That must be smoke amount. J. in las vegas that means we have ourselves a heavyweight fight for december fifth. It's going down. December fifth in dallas texas celebrity referee steve willis smoke them out j. versus big supermax plain view. Texas talk we got the neck supercharge from two thousand five. Who says my real tripping. Cookie monster beat nobody stopping. You know he. Talking about midi loved that name. That's gotta stick. Cookie cookie monster new way brandon and cincinnati would put up without without your brand man. You became you might get called a year now. Just because you man's got such a dope song step that step your game up just a little little naci notch man lifestyle you know filling at atty ashti and new way won his first strap in six fights second strap in eight five third strat in sixteen fights and unified in eighteen. The men has beat six champs next. Stop it stop hating. But i will say he already knew that he already knew that you know what i'm saying like that's the thing that they don't feel he knows who this is used to give them. Credit let me finish reimbursed. He said the man be has six champs now stopped but i must say i never heard of anybody for besides donayre line. He didn't say that check. Check the chat check check. Check out the brand new keeping Oh really don't mind on the ohio stan. Cw dub dub ness if a new way sleeps. Rigo you will see the light. No real thirty eight years old man. Get the avenue man. Yeah y'all let me ask you see duh. I hope you gave while the credit for ortiz. Then maybe i'll give credit for rigo. 'cause i gave him credit for tito. He caught himself. Y'all that should should've rigo that he was like. Oh luis ortiz. One hundred and fifty years old caught himself. No i'm being fit. I'm not being fair a second ago. And then you're like oh shit i realize can get a little more. Mario love trying to get a little wins man. He's a party. Y'all through with the love harper real. I need to i need. I need to julio cesar chavez. They'll do me if you out there. Listening may text me to a that. Were we going. Yeah who's who's who's who do. Oh boy in ohio man talk lifestore price. No he said if you bring a hit in the price grow you know what that means that word cheat. Take it over there and we sell it for thirty. If it's thirty we selling it for forty. Oh my god like that saw many was subcommittee. I'm sorry was going me. He was talking to get him. I'm ready to talk. Let's fucking do it. But he's a fucking apology for that last night. That was big time. Joe body that costume that chucky costing me ad for halloween and the short skirt went so hard. Bro y'all did you just call it a skirt what the hell baby minutes notice due. Bam sorry i. I guess i missed all the talk about tanking that man. My man found a good shot. Man an assumption but i you know i don't want to go back over all the stuff you already talked about right so don't be afraid. Let us know what tom was it. What time that's what he wanted. Talk about me now. What are you talking on my behalf these features. We got plenty of talk about midi. What time was it went when when tanks in the ring for you guys out there i wanna see was not too late that i was like on free free and i want to say free. M maybe frito. Something was not as late as it usually is usually madeleine like five. Am but it was not that. That's all that's awesome. Bring you up to speed right now. The i guess. The big topic of debate is a new way. Not being a monster taint deserving to replace him on a pound of pound lists. That's the only one. I want to make a case right. Like a new way is beaten mcdonnell and donayre who were a little older in their career where we're tank beat a prime pulled when he was world champion. And now he'd be the prime leo. Santa cruz also current champions so people are putting this other guy and pound for pound. I get it. He moved up divisions but so detained right. He went to thirty five. He went from twenty six to thirty. Isn't it time we saw saying teams on the list. I allison i. Don't go down those rabbit holes because you have people like fighting tense kono. You could have people fighting the newest. I see too good fighters. My i'd rather talk about madman lake. You know at this level at this level you cannot fro free shorts exactly the same free shorts three times in a row without getting time than knocked out lead if food free straight. Hang out of this ration- the first one. I clean no problem. The second one New and then the third one is going for it. The way slipped immeasurably. Good that that was something else. I made wait wait. Wait wait hold on on midi remember. I said that. Remember when i said that i got tagged by murder and rb and then i said no. I mean by massive. Ko stood much domination. You know i got you now. You'll santa cruz man. Like i understood like myself but when whenever you use those time of those type of words people who react he landed. What did you wanna see. Did you see his dad shaken when he landed. Did anybody see at least when he because he landed in front of his dad's listen to knockout. But i'm happy. I'm happy and i'm celebrating tank shock but i cannot but when i see those kind of knockouts always they feel for the for the fighters have been that i've been knocked out so i kind of does does all look at him shaking and get all excited. I rather san. I'd rather look at how ten do but that was. Ali came on because he broke that down really. Well that's all. We all kind of glanced over it but I want to know how tank isn't the how to. They didn't award in the ring magazine last night. Nobody in that division has a big a window tank. Man who tells biggest win at one thirty joseph di as big as winning seven former yeoman. They gotta start putting some respect on his name. That's the biggest win that division of any champion keep fighting wanted to say i want to say i wanna say something right. I know that. If i can cause the going but i want to say that young think tank does deserve compound like close to top three one two three but i feel that the lille santa cruz knocked out was like forecast by the people based off of santa cruz size here but not like that. So that's why he gets credit like. Yeah that's why you need. I mean how many broke down where he liked. And i'm you can add that for sugar and spice. But what i'm saying is a lot of people thought it was going to get the knockout just like a lot of people. Think when while the fights who get the knockout buddies getting it in getting in that fashion that was a statement. Knock out that wasn't a twelve round. Tko that was a not cow of a minus a plus b plus whatever circle. You win fighter bro. He he puts a sleep four-time world champ no matter how you look at it. If he would've dwell rounds unanimous we could be but he latin team. But hold on real quick though. Here's the reason you're wrong though. Here's the reason you're wrong. Why it be a pound for pound thing or why. It shouldn't be a ring magazine thing because my man's got a belt at the at the division right and leo didn't so it was like one of those situations where it was to fight each other. It was a big time win. Lille each it's when the two divisions come together and the best fight each other that's what it is but you're talking about something completely different. Yo was the champion mom. Not of that. He was listening to me and learn. Something take moved up to thirty five four regula. Leo took his bell and was the real champion at that. Division tank came back down and beat leo as the real champions stop diminishing go to recital felt at another way class. How can you record magazine. The belt that he's not even competing for really what it was. The fight was the two names that thought it was the pay per view. This wasn't flora amount of shire again. 'cause you just math. I got false information. I'm gonna screen share again. I'm saying he deserved the ring. Look at the ring right and then if you listen and see. The tank is the champion at one. Thirty what other win is that big. Joseph di has over seven former isn't as big as i get it when you put it that way. I said i understand where you're coming from all not in that division it is. Leo was the one hundred and thirty pounds. Champion real champion. The super champion. What about the thirty five. I don't understand what i'm saying. What about the people who are saying i man. Leo was tiny man. How you give somebody powerful pal off of a beatdown dot is expected. What about louis with fire for that. Y'all he not bantamweight but let me let me sign when when when anthony joshua for brazil and then it was wild as he said. I wanna see how he does. I went seven. I want him to do better. People expected while they get the knockout but the pressure was there to do better. No one expected the first round. That's why you give credit even though you know you got what you expected. Because he exceeded your expectations. He exceeded the experts. Say nobody was expecting that type of knock. I'll get outta here man. Nobody nobody nobody expects it can be twisted out. We talk they did a the tank. The tank is accurate to me. Always and that's cool but but nobody was expecting leo the frigging dot for a few seconds in the ring. That's the way to anybody. Yeah they pick tank to win. He's going to know listen. This is what i'm saying. I said a lot of people. A lot of people pick defied to go decision based on the fact that they brought down to one thirty because he has struggled to make one thirty five. That was the saints. Let's bring him down to one three and try to dry him out so he has less energy less power. Let's take some of that off his power unfortunately tank cain weight and came in shape so the game plan couldn't change because the game plan to our whole fight was just keep wait. Just keep holding on. Just hold on we. We're going to get him into save around late round our fight not realizing that tank who said in a post fight. I came in to fight. Didn't even warm up. I was i was dry by the third and fourth round. He started to get into a groove. He was hitting deal with that left uppercut but he wasn't hitting him with the type of leverage. But when you see you told that punch combination against the rope and it opened up literally opened up this super super chat. We got mad. Bent one hundred coming back with another one. Thank you for continuing to engage. He got he put robertson gone. Say ow be the ref and his opponent and one. I hope i'm pronouncing last name right. I'm probably concern in another real quick real quick tip top. Just show us some love all forgotten or deleted his message but we still appreciate super cab to top mad with a double up. Sky saying tank walk down broke his ribs and no excuse me broke his ribs then separated him from reality them. Israel israel broke the record that it was it was going hard on the body and all that i mean at some point. One point in a fight. Like provia romney towards the end of the third. Now he starts to become like apparent that is definitely much bigger. Bunch on is going to hurt Leo especially leo is a type of guy that engages engages in mate. Perfect for this. You're gonna get you get those kind of like no counter cold when someone engages when someone decides to go on back foods none fight with you. You do get you get those type of knockout. 'cause you need to be caught in the action of engaging for you to get knocked out me to ban. I was saying the saint francis about the say taint is gonna get the better part of the mexican style extinct boom point blank. And that's what i think. One hundred percent but honesty gotta be bad for leo to get knocked out right in front of his dad. You sitting right there when i mean knocked co They came in thinking that the game plan was at tank camp box Lille with his mexican style throwing multiple three and four punch combinations in the early part when tank wasn't warmed up and ready Yeah definitely worked in. I mean he was touching but it wasn't touching the power. But what makes us star pound for pound or pay per view is the way you close the show whereas the way you close to show what made mike tyson. who was. He closed the show. If you too late if you blink valley's take you too long to take your keys park your car. You're gonna miss the i'll call. It is beautiful. It's a taxi drivers. Hey say out loud. Almost equal not not not not. Let's the despite the first time i read. I want her eight yay shea. Smith said joe. I seen tang davis park heavyweight woodhead head gear on in the gym. I was like oh this power is a little bit different anybody touch at that way class. He's putting the sleep yard but that only you could believe he shea man we were sitting here believe in zan cambozola and get that. Knockout man yet can brussel wasn't so light on his. He came in tight. I was though he looked at you. Wanna talk about pound for pound. I give them credit for what he did to leo. But i i think is just there's levels like we look at the deal l. Fight what did that mean for that division you know one and two best you know versus each other you can talk about haney whatever but that was. We knew the elite of the class. Leo's incredible win. It's a win to be proud of. Is it a win. That i feel should propel him above the lights of tarrant crawford and kanalelo and you know some of the other guys that have won multiple divisions and unified no. I'm not there yet now. But he don't got he ca- fucking take a new way spot. Walking we take a new way spot cannot can hook. And how is it the duca say. Oh i can't put tank above crawford but inoue's above crawford and he got a better resume. Say i mean out some hearing magazine magazine. Work from number two. You don't have to work for them. But we know that these are rankings. That are respected. Boxing respected come on number two. And you don't have to thin something that i don't agree with either like i don't have that man ahead of crawford by but you know why the is being pointed at you because you are defending new way on pound for pound because you're trying to completely take a blind eye to everything accomplished in favor of putting somebody up with more commercial appeal and i understand that i do. I get that prerogative. I just don't agree with it. I think these guys have earned their spot done more than the other. There's a lot of fighters at one thirty and one thirty five for him to definitely being that Punishable punch conversation right. So you have the legs of david. Hanney lack of like are your lopez. Have sha call. You know those guys untagged. Those guys will see each at and chelsea when they do like one of those guys or maybe two of those days. Definitely be on the On the higher end of the puzzle friday. And that's what i was getting. Just give them time like a fight like for me a new way. I don't know who he is. What we classes in one eighteen is the way. You fight like manny pacquiao. When he was all lighting fighting. Eric maradas and stuff. We found out way to him. You know what i'm saying. Nobody finally way to a new way yet. You know what i'm saying. We find you find tank you found lopez you find loma. You know what i'm saying. You even found. I would say regis progress. So my point is that chain beaten leo out the outtake. That does much. Because he is a showcase who do the showcase around on thursday night showcase that is facebook but we agreed we got green committee. Says i'm not. I'm not hating. I'm i'm saying we want our in the have i mean i don't mind talking about no no mine just talking about but i do too. I knew he was going to say that you right. Let's oh wow. I see guys in a chat like oh shit out or and i'm like wait a minute man. I mean i know cruiserweights man that moved up to heavyweight and done real good heavyweight but more specifically i know cruise ways that moved up to heavyweight and done real good versus zora and that was like seven years ago. David hey tim out man. So like opec ain't that he ain't that he also need to get took off the path for palace while we can't put take the and take out. He should the bed times heavyweight division. Already guys we see. How long are we going. Respect them for the cruiserweight. Maybe he needs to go back down. I never number how you get down novels on ring on ring. He's number four bro. The disrespect is beyon belief. But listen how you pound for pound how you getting. Hit butts zora that much or didn't only hit them to the face but to the body so many right. Here's how you never adjusted like komo coach. You a coach. He never justice to the right. He got hit zora's right hand all night in my opinion. Why did he have not be in what he took. He took a beating. That's what you're saying brother. Did you see his face. Did you see his body ribs. He was all right into the beating. But neither hey from the public the problem the more shots a female versus but he didn't eight hundred eighty. She's already know concession. Classes not even classic centrist is all about perspective. The fact that we didn't like the way afford yesterday and may include right doesn't mean that indian bag does round by comfortably for some of them especially the second half of the fight. A bag does round. She's aura was just like missing like crazy and we see us his feet and uses boxing skills okay. We don't leg that. Because we say when i watched the heavyweights division. What i want to see is knockout. If i see skills and local even better but we see at least showed me yesterday that he has the power is now questionable against those bigger bigger guys. And we're gonna have to see what they can really do at a heavyweight but based on yesterday in believe that it will get beat by the very top guys of the bigger guys. And that's what i that's what i see. Does it mean that. It took a beating yesterday. No does it mean that. He lost yesterday knowing how he won that fight. Yesterday he didn't wind away. We wanted him to win. And that's the problem with limited media like you said a few things in there that are wanna just real real real real quick. Okay rounds one of those. You can address. Bag those rounds. This is. he's back you bagging rounds in the heavyweight division and get your last cruise away man. We don't need you. Few rounds that i felt like when derek hit music to the body he gave that like on hurt. Let me go my bicycle. And he said listen every time there was swing that big right hand and this is talking about the touch them to the body he oh he got a back-up like that hurts really trying to fight this guy. Listen he's hitting zora. And i know personally because we talked about it a few times. There's a few times that i've taught choose always going to take a dive like he's soccer personally but he was ready to go like ooh hit me just a little harder and i'm going to fall over a colleague here. I just couldn't do it. He just didn't have the mustard to you. Understand what i'm saying. That for me is a problem with understood. Are you saying the second part and then you can go. The second part is look. What tank did tonight closed. The show's success the show. That's what we came to come to see the show. I agree with you in terms. They but that heavyweight the big boy you've got to close the show maybe come see nocco wanna see some skills but one knockouts and derek says oh was there to be knocked out. He was ready to listen. I want to be put in a position air because they can actually still in this. I don't want to be put in a position where i'm made to seem like thought that was the best performance because it wasn't and i was upset because i had money on it. I was upset. Because i expected more out of sick. And you're absolutely right. It wasn't a great performance. It wasn't a setting performance. No problem what it was though is him passing that level. That's what we look for ultimately and he gets another shot to better himself and be ready the raw skills are there if you watching that fight and you don't see the ceiling on that guy then you're missing something and maybe you'll never see it and maybe you never have before. That guy has something special about him he might be too small for the division. That could be a real possibility but the skill set is there. If you don't see him it's your problem not his. Yeah you right. You do see the ceiling and it's right there. Eight and a half feet high. That's said he's tapped out here. Title dow who tapped out saying he ain't cut out for the is so. I'm glad you said that. So i have one question right. How many found how many ads on the pound pound ten five stops. This could be hundred. Pounds of telemedicine is what matters year. Ten is fully. Maybe seven right. So i'm looking at the ucla fight right now. And to zora's intro. He got nine losses. He is thirty. Six anka technically. I'm not saying disrespectful. But he's that fighter you kinda to get beat up. You know what i'm saying. That the journeyman your. He's the gatekeeper. So you know i i. I don't give credit for beating him. I don't see who said yelling joe. Aj you next as a threat. Aj usa our one right hand like he did not come out what he puts down like. You did charles. Martin one right guys. Seek performance was like as a gatekeeper like the bouncer at the club. He couldn't get through smoothly. Got roughed up on the way. Vip vip sex got roughed up on the weird way. No unreal note Gaseous gasiya fought in the world boxing supersedes for the cruiserweight undisputed right gas if also had his heavyweight debut yesterday and guess what he did what he did. His opponent finally Who who was who was open. Hell don't it. Took him two years like he's been gone since beat the crap out of him. So sloppy pro. How man and this is what this is why. I'm so passionate about this argument. Because they keep calling these fucking dudes pound for pound but you look at loma post by and he needs a bag ice and a makeup artist. You look at who sick and his whole body. Zora listen to zora was cutting a distance. Wrong coach will coach. He literally was stepping forward with his back for just the total right hand in cut some. You're is straight trash in his heavyweight division won't last versus jerry not in the top five. Let me tell you something. He has a very difficult time with dominic brazil because brazil was losing to marry amira mansour. Buddy got power. He was losing the negative. Buddy got power. He got turnaround power. Even though people like to believe that he knocks out people. Shit matt tolan long but but he said we confusing. I definitely and we all said it. Who seek as a size issue and doesn't seem to have that power that we want him to have a thank god heavyweight but i think i think he's gonna chin. The buddy was a problem for show yesterday but the chin was decent. Like so you know. Full simonis like that. I took shots. I for the decently commission. So that's the one thing that he had at least land right hands that may fall into the ropes like it was worth. But that's because he's moving around but they have another raft could could have set a standing eight. Those roads can no way in close to a standing nate. Your trip on that. I agreed with every word. You said right up until his somebody in the force of your punch causes them to go back and forth into the ropes and then bounce back the other way. I mean come on chant like happened and listen to me. I cannot get over the fact that you're zorro was actually cutting the distance and and being able to get like y'all heated. Where's his jab this this. This power bound box. Where was the jazz. Where was the un definitely. We all saying the same thing like we're not like halved by the performance but i thought you overly critical because he lost money. That's the way. I just think that first of all this was pay per view this was very hype got signed and cancelled. Maybe three times the first fight. We gave him a pass with teaspoon. No you know the fight got cancelled so this was a late. replacement will give him a chance now. He's been training for fucking two zora a year man and this is what you do. You got a year to train for your opponent dude. Lost nine times and that of those nice. How many of those knockouts vlad malphrus. Hey knocked them out. Like come on man i tripping but i i'm being mean or extra critical. No no no. 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In tampa. steve willis bud stainless welch. who else who else. Who else as you say I think that's it for now. Many i was gonna say. I assume you already spoke about The whole Leaks of the winners. The mvp knowing heaven. Oh i hear you sheltie on names and all that so yeah so let let me go into very quickly and then go fight. Pull it up So pecan league for october. Finished results are out and we have like two winners for the become league there. Those guys picked out next. Thirty six correct fights i have like forty. Two people picks for the hormone from october. So that's my dimbleby and khalil. Kalita winning it in african oldest anna october. So he's two times like from what i'm Air shot those guys i got. I got a message from elite who says on the on the patriot. On pagey says first time was nice so i had to do to time chance salute gene as well. shout is right and then souza's for pro league but as you know we also running like a league that is open for everyone on nasa's been like queen hat off finally from the beginning but now we've got a new king. Intel and islam is trained. Miller is. he's been killing it anyway. He's always been is always been second has been eating away at night advantage And then she had like a terrible moment for his second close though. I mean forever as close trade nigerian carlito. Or i mean earthquake to shot out brooklyn right there mr door my team. I mean they are literally one two points away Then then then even as brandon or brandon. Just one last man you mini you. Right did to eighty seven. But that's it would be closed out for the month of october. The mvp for the month of october is obviously trae miller or do we tied. We've majimbo and carlito but those two guys are in the pro leagues or they know eligible for the mvp. Mvp is actually trained. Miller Like i say shall to imp and yet we starting again so november november's a new mom. I wanna take pots. jusque cyanide. John patron you can just take part in the amateur league I'm about to push the for the for the picking fights with this week. An issue want to be part of the pro league. Just you know. I'd like an extra five dollars per month of the week story and then you can just be in it to win a special price. Just give us a call. If you don't know what we mean. Many you know we never gave the wireless earbuds shot. No the wireless bud shop dot com earbuds sued the winner. I still gotta who was a nick. I know that it was bitten. Big nick and another dude. And then just like flip. The coin and big nicklaus so he was the over gay and it turned out to be better because the allegations in the us so you would not let the ship into big name. I find it must be on the boost. I'll find i'll find it. I don't think he never hit me up. But we gotta melted and what we're doing for trade way. Do we like anything. We're doing for trade. I e a wireless head but if you wanted to do another the nation for trae they'll be good this for that at the time about it and we're thinking of doing something for like a tv show by introduce myself and all that can league saying yeah. Yeah yeah but you mean at the end of the year. I know for for this one for the mvp because we give something The other so. I don't know if some okay. Yeah i got. We got a surfer trays long. As we his size we just gotta make sure to do me sending it out. He said we'll just send one of my jeans. And then someone was supposed to get a sticker and and then and then move. Supermax wanted a cousy so as long as to trade trading a chat so just remind us night job as a message or anything. And i said i give us your size. You let a tv to show real quick and it'll be a patriot t shirt cam by real quick. We got my gene bed with the supervisor. Says math francis don't know shit about boxing predicted the murder but he said he called the murder. They'll wanna put no respect my g u. I hate to these guys are winning. And don't call into the show. You could be helping us make some money man. that's crazy. I mean you guys are real right trae why you won't be on a band show man. We're subhuman you guys been real right now to man. Can we get some some love. Some advise we re trying to make some money man that would be really nice trying to make mortgage you. Yeah you know. We're trying to make this money very consistently right I took you down a different path lake so but yeah i just thought you know. Say very quickly before we get the quotas and the rest of the fights men but november. We started against john patron and five per week. If you want to be part of the white house and hold on so hold on on as well make sure that your card is up to date because it is the first and you know. I it recharges. If you haven't recharged you won't be able to make picks. I think midi puts out the votes tomorrow morning his morning. Let me ask questions. First of the month everything starts for the for the for the for the pro league. Which gives you more for you. I'm talking about To patriarch yes monthly. It's monthly the reason. Why i say that because if i sat up on the fifth it doesn't go to the fifth of the next much actually goes to the first of the month. It does thank you see a lot of people. Don't know that. Because i'm like. Oh this day hit me early up on anthem like don days they on. You may day reloaded now. So right now is the opportunity of you. If you've been waiting is better to sign up now. So you don't get double charts like they did phrases and you get the thirty days. What's this november. So we thirty one november thirty would it. How many thirty. One every already inside so i won't be wearing about. None of that was thirty. One but I wanna ask you one more question So under dollar level when you find out level you can You can bet pro league so when you see the fights are up you. Just click on and your attitude. Is that how it works. Not the program. You can make the pics but if you wanna be in the pro league that's gonna cost you another five dollars a week. Okay but canadian. Nah no you know why. Because you won't you won't win canadian and for a guy like you and any other canadians. It actually is better for yada. Wins yard really win. I know that you win. More my millionaires. Lose when i come there. You're good. I want to go to the uk. But i lose yo. What to even la man sal. Trying to get la. I'm like nah. I see my gene bill. That's it man. I'm speaking to exist in speaking a man. My d say he hostess man. It's overs happened but all we gotta do is fine real. Niger took that fight. I've been talking to Steve old girl liz. I think maybe you need to hit up and vegtable. Because i never see her face. She says she used to fight. Because obviously i don't want naza catch body either. But i think we if we can sign that fight. Drc god's it's an cards ladies and gentlemen so all right what other fight you guys want to talk about before we open up these phone lines. It is eight eastern. If you do you keep calling so we will seek you had thanked composers selby. Ano- kambas an annual show on national ranking. Let's talk about marshall. I because that cambozola fight i got a lot to say about that but the the the hannah ranking versus van marshall fight honesty. I've seen savannah. Masha fight before. But yoshi look really big against hanna. Rankin man she looks big in shape. She was on her. She had that awkward style. Like england style of fighting. But i guess that's like awkward. Front foot leading jab. I dunno. it's kind of weird. But she was beating the crap out rank in peru. I mean you're right. She's big at a She she's coming dahmer so she was coming down from one. Six eight seven. She starts at one seven five before it so She's going down. She's not down at one sixty and choose really lose lake. She started off very relaxed. Very lose the stylized out in say is like an ingles thailand. Much more like a fury type of style and Sure as the trainer as well right so I you know she's bought of that. That camp and i want to say that out of the female boxes. She's the only one that gives me the vibe that she can relate daego feeds into the canvas improved with power punches like really get that rotational punches and and she gradually broke. Broke down I rankin franken was never never really had a chance at a super-sleek to super super sleek committee off the back of what. You're saying that. Because i want you to continue right after unfinished i felt like had ranking wasn't in as good shape as she was against clarisa shows and this fight i feel like this kind of on estimated savannah little bit with air conditioning. And what their shape. Maybe like those are the kind of stuff like you know we. Conrad sal unless she comes out and say But to me she didn't look like to two different. And it's what you open allows you to do also right. I mean i like she was really really lose variations punches was nice. I want you decided to just like dago. Hill into the kind of get a stoppage. She did just that so very good. Performance alarm re looking forward to the To the Clarissa this is marshall fights and injuries. Interesting fight i that fight she. She left her a very few openings in. Yeah i agree. I don't think it's happening. I think that she showed that. You know She has the ability to to you know make performances like that. I don't think they rush that fight right away. They should build a up you know. Give her a real name. Give it like some real context. Make it count for something you know. It goes down hopefully by that point. clarisa have about two or three more fights she can. She unifies going to interest in. Because of the fact that savannah's a big. She's a big for the weight right. And when he fights clarisa. She's going to be taller than her. I can already tell that a ready. let's see the size differences. I think is gonna have Faster hands but savannah might have more power. She's just have more power in terms of the way she talks. Listen brush you don't need to see them to know that she got more power But i think that claris needs the not take the fight. Not because she could lose but more because she's walked away from sixty eight like the savannah is sixty one sixty eight one sixty s today. So what i in classes. F fifty four sixty. Yeah she can but she's going to be giving up weight and height schiffer show way in height when she's the one that's already what three times champion different divisions like. She's making the fight and you the so you're going to go up and give up height and weight and the opportunity because you create the opportunity like the storyline is that you beat me in the images like that's the amateurs. Hello hello robinson ramirez. You did that to sokoto to look out his career panned out so you know we talk her way into the fight. That's the day she mytalk away into the fight. We interviewed marshall. Caesar very very very nice girl. She was orange. She's not gonna make a if anybody talks it. It's going to be peter. Fury and eddie hearn talking and trying to bait clarisa but and that's what i'm saying that happened yesterday on twitter and took the bait and i was gonna say she needs to not take the bait because you give up way you the as you said send paper. She says jackie that's why because she's been type anton no no. She's not on that. She's desperate showtime announced the entire lineup. She came out on twitter. Saying yo even announced my fight and she still don't gotta fight after after making a fuss about it. She still gotta buy so she's desperate. Of course she wants. Let's say might be desparation. It might be station. It could be a combination of the both But yeah you're absolutely right. There's no disputing the fact that you know what what transpired over the summer when showtime Pbc or whatever announce their lineup. I'm sorry showtime announced. Pbc's lineup that schedule and all those who slowest fight. It's gotta be clear it's got it's got gotta be clear that she isn't part of bbc so no no yes yes. I'm sorry. i was saying that showtime is announcing the car. The the schedule and it was like. Bbc's basically it wasn't had no mention of course shields she wasn't on anybody's undercard and that's what they originally wanted to. By the way that the the story is that they were trying to put her on. Somebody's undercard and she didn't wanna be on that one. Today's who is still working her way of working towards it. She's gonna get it eventually. Hell yes but. But i would rather see her fight. Hannah rank him before she gets. She needs a fight. She needs a another body. Did wants to win. you know bad. Even if even if even if even if they can't get a name she needs to go back in with that other girl the jiminez four and she herself is like i sai- hernandez that girl doesn't look the poor but she's tough man. I watched the fight live. She's tough it. I was talking to my gym ben. Didn't realize like so reaser inside by is we've like dementia liter. Yes i e buffalo's meals to why she's not like you know one of the top promoter into us. I don't know why on remember that that that she started women's boxing in america so no one was taking that chance. No listen listen. Let me tell you out the intake that chance floyd intake that chance she got on twitter like damn. I'm from michigan. Like where's the love. Floyd signed savannah. Also the girl that beat her like slow. It is like a big time guide stuff. He's but in terms of promotions. I would underclass him as i would want to go like i dunno top ranked. Like just say okay. That's fine if those guys don't want to sign you talk right way. You had an waited pushing. Let me kill a male could have done that will clarify. Show immediate but check this out. Who is better. Dimitri your floyd. That's just the bottom line. That what i'm trying to show you is that a two-time olympian female just wasn't being picked up by any major golden boy could have picked the up and they didn't they picked up estrada. You know like people with ranch on and french french. Sean got picked up after the loss. Yeah no you. Inner quarter was pushing for. I guess they didn't have any ink to paper but that was hops. I mean that was. He made a very strong cases for why she was somebody to have from optionally. Check it out. I don't know maybe you right. And i'm wrong. I can't always be right. I'm sorry. But i wanna believe. The fight was not all television. I mean i mean you know. It was french sean. I fight and she got to fight. Kalisa don't sound like a good golden boy deal to me under. no she's in olympia and olympia. We can make this fight bigger in the future. But they didn't do that. They put her in there versus one of them had to lose their o on the first day. I think you are right. And i think you are right. So if if the contract is up for renewal mental muc- Goes into with. I don't know who goes. But if the contract is up which i doubt it will ever be remembered. The dmitry salita still would have gotten a check from top. Rank is big baby within a test. Positive it's never baby. He by the punch somebody in the chat right. Sorry you rosa man you got cheapening admit talking but your mouth fame mario now full tech's big baby miller just posted. The deontay wilder water will spike and said somebody tells us pussy boy to shut up baby. He can't nobody a pussy. And i love him and he might hate me for this. But like is the onset of pussyfoot losing or you the pussy for cheat and with all those and steroids you know what i'm saying like facts. Facts of like deontay did what he did to the level that he got without drugs. You tried to get to his level with drugs so you know. He just needs to stay. Humble man stay humble stay hungry. Said i listen. It's two hours in and we only have one more fight to recap and that was the disowned. We can do that. Really really quick. I'm ghia theriault johnson. Yo tell you on l. e. moses gone friendship fronts runs as to sail buddies fronts as you watch. Lisa be watching fight Josh warrenton warranting. Put it on these healthy man. I mean he put it off him what he put on. Not even god can take off and put it on him. Also if you look at it again and you add when he fought combat also. His jab was beautiful. His footwork was good. he didn't have the best. Punching the exchanges georgia's was cleaner but he was way more fluid in his movement. He had way more rhythm his jab was just. Don't got much power to really. Deter georgia georgia's one that had the power. But i mean amazing performance in loss. A cambozola should definitely got a out. You know what i'm saying. We definitely had the movement and he was grooving. That's it it great in the fight. It was a tough fight for me to score. I thought it was a a good close fight but cambozola was just too much. I felt like at times. Selby was a little not intimidated. That's probably a bad word. But he just see he didn't have what it took to prevent cambozola from trying to implement that game plan and keeping you know aggressive and and he kept that output up and it was just a great tactical performance even though it like tactical from like making maneuvers. You know what i mean like. You wanna talk about technique and stuff. That's out the window. Let's talk about what he did to secure that victory and in that he fought a very great smart fight for his style. Hats off to cambozola. I think it's a big time win for him. Y'all i'm looking to see what's next. So yeah i mean to me. I thought that compose who had a little bit more. But i still folk that he won like you said it may at some point in the fight towards the The second half of the of the fight selbie realised that you know is the better boxes in you. That is moving well but it doesn't have the power and combos was coming with the power coming to the pressure starting to overtake The you know the dynamics of the fight and what inevitably happened happened. Like the order fights was on the decline. Who's almost done. Bracelet will be done after that loss to the younger guy who's trying to make an emperor himself and we'll still is night that hunger for the game right so i. I think that's what happened. And that was one of the main reason why i was going for kambas because at sin be on the decline for the last two fights free fights even before and i just thought that you know a young guy that seems to have some credential. That looks okay. In his previous fight would do it at any did do it. But what. I realize also is a compulsive. Don't wanna lopez combos won the top guys at one thirty five. It wants them because it sounds good to say. Let's go and make some money in australia. That's okay but you don't want that because those guys would have to stand with the selby even better right so yeah i think cambozola got caught up in his power man. He was very tight. I know francis said that earlier earlier earlier in the show. And and that's what i seen. When we were doing a lot of fights out i felt like he was almost even holding his breath if not biting down his my mouthpiece if not even his lit like he just had way too much like it was so much attitude in the ring i mean where he could have just been using that energy to a bad you know even though the main got very waste movement. I swear. I wanna see him again. You know you guys don't sound his high. I was high on him. I felt like he was right. There feet planted dipping. Like can nello. Commodore were just not with that power. Like getting his head off the lom but at the same time coming with that left hook or that right. He was digging sort of body he punches with mean intentions. Maybe he's not ready for the top right. What is he won thirty five. It was this thirty five. Maybe he's not ready for the top but he's only got one thousand nine fights now. I mean let me see where they got them ranked if we're looking at The five sanctioning bodies or rather four a of killing them up. He's he's ranked at the wbo in a number five position. Emmanuel to gago is a good fight. Lou. dibella does business with top rank. I think cambozola may be top rank to gago. Hasn't been able to get a big shot. Maybe can brussel can take him to australia. Do it in in front of a crowd and show us something. And i'm just picking out of the wbo rankings. He's also highly ranked in the ib in this vacant spot. So we might find him in an eliminator he just beat selby. I'm shocked at his promoter. Couldn't get this as some sort of an eliminator but looking behind on that. Ibf put him in there with felix. Madero let's see. How tale does now that he's with ishmael solace and would they take that fight and then looking in then wbz rankings. Can do diego. Mega mega dental. He just got knocked out. But that's the that's the thing he just got knocked out. That's a good name. Only actually i think that You know mayweather should jump on it with rolly. Rolly in cambozola is a fucking fight. That's a fight. Somebody's head's going on out of here. Somebody says getting knocked off but Looking for some sort of you know somebody say rowley. Now i like to your raleigh and the the perks the say raleigh. Oh shit. that's the dual that be on instagram. That will chase him ryan. Let's see him fight. You know that. Kinda shit he would lower broadcast on this show you represent the casual represents the people that serve or don't have the time to be on instagram. And all that. If there was a powerful pound lists and and rowley was on an old shit yeah. He deserved it he deserves. Baker deserved it based off clouds. Roll show a good fight to don kim. Russo is a good fight or that would be a dog fight. A dog know what's a good fight you know what's a good by cambria. Wanna show us he. He's he deserves the keep going in the upward trajectory. Richard komai on a bounceback. Let's go get them big fight. But i don't know where we're richards at mentally you know. I don't know. I got a a good name. It's a great name it's a great named give liam washer shot again. Yeah do that. We owed honestly not. I was done them. I mean he still ranked number time right number not we can give them a shot. He's big house. Y'all can brussel does with a big tall puerto rican would've oh i don't know what that does for him though. Like in terms of sidestep or back step forward step lake. I can't call that one. That's a tough one. I mean good estimates question. The question do you guys who who you feel dictated. The fight was at least com bozo. The whole i mean. I think it was kimbro so he has so much mental pressure on lee selby that he was forced to constantly be active in the job which made the opportunities for camper also to get under those shots. His his look and i felt like i love the work. I seem i feel like they. His team work on those two punches to punch combination kind of earl spencer. And that's what you would see. Is him get off the line or evade a shot and then either the right uppercut to the body and the left hook upstairs or or the series. It was exactly what mitt he said. And that's why you're both picking two different people because it's like lee selby new at some point that he was the better boxer. He knew he had the footwork. Knew he could do these things better but he just couldn't not. He couldn't find a path to implement that plan where he would take over the fight. You know what i'm saying. Despite the desire to become aggressive is is not there was an and he's never really really been dead be he's always winning fights like this like in that like defensive. You know kind of like style where. He's just like picking shots moving and picks you off busy pickpockets you. That's what this and that's but the figures that can look good but it becomes a time in your career when you say becoming older festival is like i hope. Show on the legs to do that. In the second half you could see that and it even have the who see like you know what i'm going to. I'm no go for it. I'm going to stand there and fight. Combos took that side. And i agree with both of you guys. You guys missing one side of it. I want to bring to your attention and decided i don't want to bring to. The attention is the fact. That lee selby was dictated. The fight in my opinion but his jab in his foot movement george. I felt most of the fight was just following lee shelby trying to get his combinations of and he wasn't necessarily following him with a jab following him with his. He was giving himself enough every time he would set. Lisa would jab and move now when you come to fighters who have a bigger punch. They're going to walk georgia onto something big at knock him out. That's the problem habit. So didn't didn't pack that punch to keep georgia for him but he just kept turning him and turning him and turning him and turn it into a walk into the never walked onto the push. That's what is it just like with the big van right where you didn't have the power mobile will is at back of the head whenever and that's the other thing after you should have let that go points deducted it was just we rabbit shot all night long owed him. But that's the problem. Egypt makes you look stupid but he never really came back with okay. It's time to turn it up on you and those it basically got super chats and super chats man now known we can we can go through this dissolve card row. Quit she she. Ellis actually shot up. When soto he had a really great fight. against Travel i think is how you say retrago something like that That was that was a solid performance. He was in there and you know he It was a tough fight. Betrayal look really good at first you know working off his job and he has a nice body shots but ellen soto showed why he's one of the top in that division. I wonder. I wonder if his name is like the like the like john. Attaway should go right izzy. Puerto rico family name be thrown and it's almost the exact same way except for that india. Elwyn soda oh yeah yeah. It was for his. Wbo flyweight title And yeah he retained. he looked good But as far as a rashidi l. list l. I was elwyn soda. No his name was supposed to be edwin. I wasn't i wasn't in pricing. Reshi shitty now with y'all his coaching. But you did. Did you give him the win. This i him. The win. I went up forty one. You know the thing that you were saying about Com whistle snus way way too much bravado and was too worried about this like trying to show him that. I'm gonna scare that right here. It was doing those of that in in the early rounds But i mean issue was shop Quicker hand speed. I think we should. I should have liked stuck it on a little bit. More than It was waiting to low together shelf way at night at hand. Speed those killing dude but it was. It was just looking to to one on one pumps and get off. But i mean i. It was good. I i liked it. I liked but i just don't think the Higher level the geyser is calling out. I also don't think that it has the power to ask. That's the issue. That's my issue. Why i'm so mad about it. Because they talked about his hands be really got no prob. He got no pop. This the same reason. Why i got mad with cossio clayton as a. You've got a fighter bigoted in lipids like you've got to stand and fight man. Yeah that's what tang did. That's why walls around there. That's what she have did. When roach you gotta stand and fight. It's all beautiful with the boxing footwork. And the movement and fast hands. But you know you gotta is what you said you gotta put it on him and on. But that's that's that's today right like this ask drawn. Beat where she elliot's as mazing. Maybe not though because like you gotta think about. There's there's the paul mellon allergies of the word way able to become two time world champions with no power. This steve cunningham does have a crazy world power. He was able to become tom crew. It's hit and getting get highest level and it's how do that. It's okay to fight like sick and not get hit as much as uci resort put on in a lower weight as a heavyweight. I'm expecting you to be a fighter as a welterweight boxer. You can outbox people. But i get what you're saying. You wanted a statement. Because he's calling out earl and all the other guys i get your the one thing i'll say that maybe i call. Nobody else seemed like rashidi. Had a lot of lot in the gas tank left at the end of the fight like he seemed like he still had pep. You seem like he's still so. I don't know how much you know. He how reserved he played it right. I don't know how much more you had in the tank that he could have done. He just chose not to. I don't know but it just seemed like at the end of the fight. He had a lot more in him. Maybe russia's power so and you have to credit that maybe that dusted thing when you in front of someone you know. You felt like a few times that oil you know. What if i stayed there that lil fraction of a second too long that i'm in trouble if i engage too much i'm in trouble. I'm busy many way with those one or two counters and getting off to get it out the way. That may keep doing that. Get my win and get out of there. That that's the that's the thing maybe But i'm with. I don't when i say doesn't have any power doesn't mean that i want him to knock people out and you know i'm okay with him getting to a decision and what i put it on him. I'm just seeing more active. More aggressive doesn't mean that you're going to take them out. Polly was aggressive. And all that The problem with the lack of power is that you're not going to be deterring the hour of this when you don't have the power down man down if he walked down. Ben evita's got into firewood kavaliauskas. He goes on. Ellis looks small man. Roster look bigger than him. Ellis looks small man. We need a sack. Real blacksburg might be lying about his high real quick. Let me get a super chad. We sat stick talk. Boxing says francis. I told you tank by decapitation and casual easy. You sound like noriega you drink champs voice do yacht salad you sound like that's because you from new york man you got francis clan. We picking him some good. Y'all rory man. When held sariano johnson looked really good against at times Mcgeer came back later on in the fight but that lip injury. If you haven't seen it so i don't know how you haven't seen it every twitter. But whoa i mean my man had another set of lips going way like he had the regular lips everybody else got and then he got an extra pair by slipped fly on this face. Holy hold like johnson cam with a game plan like your knee trend for six hundred it tonight. You know what i'm gonna go for. Because they've got the fitness like six or seven around in the bag. And i'm gonna go for a try to knock it out and if it works. It works if it doesn't then i'm in trouble. And that was working with hands on gear and muya especially that first one came out. I was like whoa. Are we going to see a shock there but mcguinness to fix that. You can't take that many shots and all that as a finnish like if under the accurate shot that's incredible i and i saw different than that Midi watch it or technical. Watched it like dan give so young. Dan serono's putting it on him. He's not skied came with a tax. And i'm like what is going to be doing. What is going to be doing. And we'll give buses let so that means power but to me. He was losing the fight. They was but it was changing. Toronto was starting to show you that you know a conscious that you can't sustain that pace that he put him at first two free runs with. You can't fight ten twelve one hundred this space at when you go ladies when you just give everything of those free four round the generally it means that you don't see yourself being able to hang the twin ron's maybe because issues in cavs or fitness or maybe just being that if you jump on that guy early does your chance to get him out of there but it doesn't work if that doesn't work with what's plan b but you're going to be there no gas nothing against someone who's going to punch back that's nice agree with seattle was dry right. Francis terry was dry in the beginning the beginning but the game plan he had made his wi- disagree with you because the game plan was see. Mcgeer likes full extension on his punches. In order to get his power he punches almost like in a weapon style. He likes to whip is punches in. So what what johnson's team and him decided to do with the smother him so he didn't he has to either push off to get the full extension his punches. Do that little half step and shoot. The uppercut are big ryan. Otherwise he was in his chest he was landing more punches. And i agree mario. He looked good. He was a little front foot. Heavy is over the front for a little bit too much but it was working. He was in moon gears chessy was roughing them up. His making macgill look pedestrian at times in terms. Like this mcgeer like we're talking by. He's roughing him up. He's making into a fight. Hundreds thunder style and i understand Closing the distance. I agree us called does a great game plan. You can also closed the distance and not be. That's that active. in froing. That many punches read so as because mugabe. it's hard. so what do you do you. Trade offense offense right. I'm gonna try to get three or four off because when you're coming back and is you could tell about it. Let's split if he catches you. He's going to hurt you. It's hard when that's what happened likes. That should was really really stops him. Though right now how mugabe wanna have like a long career. Anyway if he finds. I say that if you just gets hit that much on the now there's no i have never put on certain think you'll have a harder time. Finding what top guy he beats in those divisions as opposed to which guys beat him. I mean we go list. He does not lose to triple. David chanko either charles like all those guys beat him can nilo the all beat them nasr. Why would try. And why they won't put him in charge because he gets out of it he going. Who's he gonna put him in that but you mean he gets a big name. You get some cash out. You know you can't get cash out. Golden boys cash out. You know you know how young american francis you don't cash-out in in a fight where you split in the fee because remember you fight charlie us fifty with with with top rank or whatever split they come up with. They would only fifty fifty that that came out wrong. I don't want anybody. And i know what you mean i want but i wanna be clear because i don't want anyone thing that that i mean. Mongia deserves fifty split with. I'm saying you know. I didn't even think that even interpreted that way. When i say cash out i meant like Wsb biggest payday took point point by cash. Be as big as payday fighting It would be worth it because it would be a check. I don't know that it will be as i don't. I don't know that it would be his biggest payday. Unless we're talking about post pandemic being able to bring a fan crowd to in houston you know but it would be a title sized not a bad thing to lose getting a title shot right like you know richard komai loss in title shot to robber eastern was able to bounce back so it's not a bad thing if it doesn't monkey have the wbo one sixty title. Hell no can meet. What was he sport less than he had. A w interim certainly in the continental something crazy probably got no belts that that way class. He had a fifty four pound bell. Did he beat. Saddam ali for who was a natural he. He brought back his old like abo title. Just to look clean for the zap. Used to do that all the walk in with all his old belts all the time so no no big deal trophy. Let me let me ask me also android muya who you are by mongia. Y'all listen mogi. Awin life and death with tariana. He's not ready man. he's not ready. They got he. You know debbie lucky. We lucky of we mongia. David lulu my sleep on my sleep. Man lemieux slept courtesy. That's what i need to get curtis stevens. And he's still my sleep. Yeah i know the museum sixteen. Oh that's right. Curtis is one fifty four now. But i'm sure he'll move up for that fight man he'll want that scout for public service announcement. Public service announcement brought to get out to the callers. Saying we're about to move into another segment right now. Is once you. You know what i'm saying to go ahead and smash thumbs a button scrapped. 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Canadians of french and i thought about some instantly Twitter also last night and this morning and throughout the day today was like beefing oberg avantis mexican walk outside the wake in all he did was jay homage to his mental floor floor. The same outfit ford wore the same exact. I thought he looked. I thought floyd was more like joe. The mexican is a big part of the boxing coach. And we want to track them. Throw the song and he goes one. That's what i took it out his own. All too fitting writer roger started. This is what i'm saying. The black mamba go there and fighting. The mexicans in dress has of roger. Alright boxes guys crazy joking you also the water. So obrero is what the business of leading off may weather on it. Chris lose big thing with cash. No way on purpose may be dropping those jokes in gadget. And then you save lovey on his show so real quick real quick head in shutout off our sponsors for boorda wars december nineth Before we get to those sponsors. I want to remind anybody thinking about participate in. They own offense. Come on and sign up. We look at four hundred and forty pounder. We definitely looking for a heavyweight. We looking for a hundred sixty eight pound as well We're also going to be having celebrity referee in the building for the first time. All our fights willis steve willis will be fights. Chevy you need the horns who said trump is trump with drake export. The trump is jovan. St willis radio man. That's just e was you'll we need to run down all the fighters that we got locked right now so we can get excited man. More people jump you know go for go for you got you got. The car pulled up right now. We just got a new new sign in new science fight. You know what i'm saying. Big supermax taking up the main event. We gotta give respect to the two balls to but okay go ahead. I mean you know top to bottom right because to bill changed at unified and he's definitely a poster boy for what board was is all about. We're talking another then. Marvin the tank furman. And he started to fifty. He's down to one. Eighty five for this fight is going to be defendant is to builds versus detroit's own trail fire flame harris. Who's being trained by professor former former professional fighter. Heck moon You know most known for being a big sparring partner for danny garcia. Rarely taking it so seriously. He's actually leaving to go train in mexico in the high altitudes heck the moonies because after this fight they plan on possibly getting a couple of amateur fights and turning pro so Rela definitely taken it to the next level. Then we have obviously the return of our own co host. Mario moon ghia versus a alumni caller Two thousand and sixteen. I believe call seventeen called a year. You know boxing baas vet. You know like i said alumni ma'am saga marking. I mean of essex. He's going to be making his debut taking on mario. Then we got. The return of machine gun madman. This is one of board awards as best fighters This is i wish everyone had heart and mentality and the competitive nature of a madman. His seeking that first win but definitely not letting those losses deter him. While simultaneously achieve in many weight loss goals. His first fight was in the upper two hundred men. He took on daniel alvarez who's also back and we'll bring you up to speed on that but matt so come on in the two hundred and fifteen pound fight. He went down to eighty five and four rob. Now he's even going to sixty eight to fight. Chris vega who was also in our last dallas card and suffered his first loss at the hands of jordan baker path now from florida. Who knocked him out in the first round so vegan and machine-gun both looking for the same thing that i w that win column. They trying to you know get in on that border wars resume and put a w on that side. So that's being labeled the crossroads fight and You know this one could possibly be labeled the crossroads fight as well we're talking about. Sog of texas eric cruise. he's taken on way. Don't help me. It signed sealed and delivered. He's taking on daniel alvarez from lives. Bring dan ringwald danny our very own las vegas correspondent. If you've ever watched evan haney videos and jack tang videos you know he's even really cool with lubin. He's the one that does all those interviews and he's getting back in the ring. I just talked about him getting his first win in dallas last time over machine gun And now he's gonna be fighting crews at one ninety cruiserweight fight cruises to into endures. His losses only coming to jose. Who's three now and aunt who's two and one You know so crews definitely still a fan favorite but at this point if he loses today any you know we're talking about two wins three losses like i said could be labeled the crossroads fight also coming back trying to get his win big supermax view texas three hundred and forty five pounds last week's weight checking everybody's hoping do daily twenty clip push ups plus get his walk on an exercise. He's closing his rings on his apple. Watch he's coming back he's gonna be taken on another big boy three hundred fifteen pounds. Smoke them out j. From las vegas who submitted like three rounds of spore some pad where he was out digging with the vegas boys. And this is what i'm telling you. What told you to raise your hand. I noticed people dropping off the same for everyone. That's not yet. Not yet. I got it. I got it. So i noticed people dropping over gets out of border wars talk but it doesn't matter to me. This is about changing lives and building long lasting relationships. And that's what you've got. Smoke them out. J just raises hand last week. Not even a full seven days ago already. He's with robert ortiz. He's eddie from las vegas. He needed spar and he had no how he was going to get it. We linked them now. He got friends. He's never thrown punches. Now he got friends to show them how to throw those punches doing power with him giving him spawn helping them get over those fears before the actual five. Raise your hand man. You never know where we gotta. Tv soldier ready to help you out. Then we still signing and working in deep negotiations were an versus ambrose from texas ambrose waiting for him to submit some footage. We're waiting for karma search to make a decision as well. We got a couple of tapes out for surge. Elias the lying gem alex called jiminez. He's supposed to be my friend. And i'm always going jiminez. But his lions lions he's actually our co host dumi doomsday. 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I don't know if i got all of them. So are the first one. I saw was big supermax. Rodriguez de outfit was homage to floyd and roger and i liked a subtle. Dig at de la. Hoya by plane is walkout song by lows. Evert started before. I started Neil mathis says ness check your email. Champ shout out to the panel guy got it got it. Let's go real quick to bow and bama says spit a tank davis freestyle be cash. Damn candidate chambal champs bit. And i think we got to everybody so before we get to the callers. We got some certain hot off the off the off the off the table. All don't let me start that over. Because i guess we got some talking in the beginning today we might have to pay attention to it a little lower take way back in the american dream just me and my team. The florida board shut. I've never money. Grabbing moved green tea with the flow as got me from a small town hall fresh off a business executive is empathy. Call the now out. J. my leads within its low. Nowhere started out this. Like your kin folks. But i do i is now i got all the bill leads cow with you. Want smoke. flame owned the problem with that. You got a glass job without roy. Jones spiegel monday. Let me find out on over the winter tower earls biz time right side. Nicosia sitting on the right look his best. Lean all blame it on. I've got an unorthodox style for to set out to jim chat the freeze. All of my competition tested camp most of but lanes still take chances. Stance okay desponts. Zombie advances ali by patrol. The nail won't know smoke. Better habitat bihar economics. Okay sit and talk about what you heard is no you. Didn't the rice slide slide. Slide just just talking to another track. We got beyond played got his own that tracking hottest birth so does not need to find out from let us say i wanna i wanna know i just do. Album is crazy talented. I put the jackson joe like murder. I say i said. I said i need a border. Wars theme song. That was his attempt that i offer front. I'm a little picky man. I think you could do better anymore. Border was reference. Man you use. The word boorda was you mentioned team. I think you meant no liz logo. He ain't fight. But i i love his low 'cause he was saying yes in a ring and swing but little little wars reference man. Because i wanted to before bored awards but that he proved me wrong right. I mean he he has he is my question. My question to him was was he a one hit wonder because he made the champ. Everybody loves it and this is fire. This is fine. But i needed tweet. Just i wanted a little more border wars reference. Even if it's like you know. I don't know talking about. I don't know how you could bring up. Some more boorda was i don't know how to speak of. How do you bring them. Audibles is the way you could also. You could also do you participate. Get in the ring out. You could also be the fighter your ratko. I mean come on lookout talents. Tanaz was you could be the fighter your q. Shoes are team. I hear i'm gonna be high not start trying to improvise me if you wanna. If you want to jump on this go work man. I hate when you run it again from the off. Time rain witty. We quite a few callers am. What are we going to get to the callers. Obviously big fight weekend. We're going to open up these phone lines real quick though. Can't forget my day ones before even start. These calls are brought to you by el camino electrical services expert in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation visit us at el camino electrical services dot com remember to writers five stars on. Itunes subscribe to youtube dot com slash. The boxing voice for the latest and greatest interviews with your favorite fighters gonna to stephen chicago talk to me. Hey daddy this is awesome was going. What what. I what. I what i would here's something i want to bring up that Nobody touched on so that that michelle rivera fight with darius miller you know we got. We got to put some shit on showtime so that was actually a ten round. It was a long wait. You know Title uspa title fight and they didn't give it any airtime and they had other fights some prospect fight that they to me and i was telling the guys you know. He could have put their at least on youtube facebook. Something they didn't they didn't even air it. They didn't give those guys anytime. you know. The mayweather fighter. He's been on all his Sam's town you know he puts them sam's town on facebook. Why couldn't put some of these so upset about that. And i think as a fan you know we should be pissed off the the they didn't do that. You know. throw us a bone. You know i i know. They wanted us to buy the paper view. But it's like damn you know you could give us those fights on on on some from that and then make us go to the paper of you got on that in my favorite fighter of the weekend. You guys get a chance. I hope you there was so much going on on the top ranked card that Someone super candid you about it. That career in consol. You gotta check that hours. The best part of the weekend to me. That was a banger. If you like bangers they're always a bangor man. I love the way always. Great but yeah you. I think you're e shopping on back in on this. The first thing i said i chatted back there on the back channel after the tank fight i said should we consider tank pound for pound. Not an all man all kinds of Discussion the but. I'm glad i'm with you. I'm everything you said. Have a lot of time. Everything you said is what i was saying about way. And all that like i'm with you i i see it from your perspective. But a lotta guys you know. There's like fifty fifty who agrees with that doesn't but That's a great debate. That's my thing is this on. How can we not say inc. After his performance should be at least consider he should be at least in my conversation per pound for pound. I'm not saying to make him. You know top three or whatever but my my thing is if you got way in there i how could you have tank. I think mario is taking the wrong way. You were talking about these professional journalists. Let's who he's talking about. My he's talking about rang he's talking about. Espn they're not giving tank any credit. And why not in there the guy not us but then and only ones you know the the the mainstream media out there. They're not giving any love to see if they changed their minds. But we'll see that. That's how i got steve chicago. Thanks for calling in by. We're going out to me what's going on run back. Y'all was good. Tv was good. It was good. It was good what a- let let's talk about it. Let's talk about it Man tank we gotta give him love. His wife said yesterday man. We can't we can't spoil the victory auto loss for either one is the fight. We wait we wait. We've been waiting to to begin these discussions whether or not take on a pound for pound Put him in there like your. I don't wanna be on the in a way hate. But i wasn't big when talking to take on the pound for pound list. That's just me so you know. I got a ride with steve on this one But outside of that man I think tank knock out was beautiful first of all. Let me talk about what he did. When he when he shifted and planted his feet he switched to conventional stance and he just landed. You know everybody talked about that. It was his boxing. My problem is that You know. I feel like everybody wanted to rush the move him up chant could dominate cooed. In it ain't up to me he could dominate one. Thirty one thirty odd right If stays discipline weightwise. You know what i'm saying. I see a fight with mike. If mike you wanna hang out you know one thirty five. He said he was coming back down that way. It's a lot going on the fight. That i don't gary russell you are seeing. Gary wasn't instagram running his mouth alligator rb talking crazy about everybody except he don't be fighting. Nobody yes my only problem which you alligator harm so listen you know i say respectfully but shit man gave you have to route to your pockets with them short ass arms and pull out a number bro. I fight by somebody fight by somebody in the top twenty man. Glad gotta eat. No crow Goose so far. I ain't gonna hold the lot. I'll boomerang back in. That's that's it. Thanks for calling in. We're going out to amg in oakland. What up excuse me oklahoma. My hey doing good looks up. Mainly focused on the on the davis by definitely good performance with him. Oh and actually real quick. The whole weekend was cool. Actually i it's nice to see the main thing i feel like i wonder is chain. Cut setup that by or is slowly setup that by you know. I really like a fighter. I really hope that we eventually get. There is still time. But i really hope that we eventually get some fights. That will be fifty fifty. I just don't want him to take the only thing. I'm worried about him. Taking that floyd money mayweather out where he's always got that edgy. You know what i mean. I felt like leo. Have the perfect style for take like he. He leaves himself open. He calls somebody shopping. He doesn't have a lot of in that made for a puncher mocking so to hear that. I really hope that we eventually get some fifty fifty. Alright alright m. g. man thanks for calling in we going out to one of my favorite intros. He played with stalled nine days. We slept with a big lesson. All happens it. Ohio with kailua. Can you hear me loud and clear. Let me give a shout out to my in bay carlitos and trae gas headed down this month. But i'll be back only one loss this past weekend so i'm back. They were form a national party. I tell the people to take crews of magdaleno you said. I was crazy. Not second-guessed knowledge. He got his ass chick people when i tell you how to do some listen. Tell john cruz gonna win that fight. Only talk about these spots of taylor. Good tank show power. He shows some accuracy in his punches. Got hit a little bit but his office defense. You've seen him get hit before so a little great man What he's gonna do next. I mean we can talk. Lopez in garcia are cross promotions so being realistic does go back to what i just talked about. He might fight the kid cruz. Gonzales next Magda leonard fuck out next coming up with big win. And how's that might be started. Became a big cross promotion fight. But i wanna see mcgovern show. I think that's the big fight Was we have The mazda look like the monster. I predicted four round. Ko he did in his seven. So i mean that's what accident from. He's a killer. He's a beast. I hear that. Hey look man. I title and six bite. Second title in eight third title and sixty four in that. I fight oh bedtime. It was his name. I'll on the whoever had to go. You don't know so you just read this in an article. But what about the next bell who he fought a already go the one that nobody the one that we were talking about earlier undefeated a million where you clown only have clown by yano. I said i said yada input rashi warpath for pound when he beat baiano for two bells. What i said he did that shit like five years ago. We twin town because he'd be play on we couldn't town because he wanted three titles in three divisions in less than twenty flights. And you and you said one of those titles was versus emmanuel rodriguez and another one versus baiano man. Like how in my impressment stop you. But it's kudamatsu even know who he wants title over petrova defendant him next time boxer using some chinese wolf. You wanna world title. I mean was he not supposed to fight. Overhead strategies. Both stay nobody knows about. Hey i'm a. I'm a polar from back on pull you breaking up with low airbus your wag is quality. Would you say and man with skull cap. Which i'm got new heating house. You start drinking with now. Actually say yesterday i so love I was gonna pull the reference for the caller and yourself from the music video days. It shouldn't on mtv. Nobody cared about how many songs. You've got the same day of boxing. You a if you ain't no nobody will care about to come on. hit somebody. He wanted to the title and six fights who he thought. I don't know he won another one. Any ford emmanuel g-go though and then he'd be called yano. Why are you talking about own news. Man other people with them beat them. Do they know high. But i get it man. You know what it is. Nobody i must say what people are afraid to say because the dudes over their typically small and they don't typically get this known in america and especially don't typically have power. They making a big deal about this man but i think people got their own papper pound lists like mid. He's one of them francis and other ones now he belong on number two on my heel. My pappa pout. Number two francis now heat number five and then everybody have a debate about it. I apparently this move on demand listeners. Get his argument. That's the problem. Going out to seattle me talk to me. He dot com. What other than mr the see baby dumb. Hello hello oh so. I don't wanna sit on chris. What's going on. Hello what are we that. Yeah thousand beautiful. yesterday Ucla was looking real crazy mansions. Oil was catching them with the like. The most choreographed punches ever seen body than head head and body I feel like he kinda dropped him for Devante davis beautiful Santa cruz came to fight I was a little bit word in the beginning You know. Say davis put it through. I just think he needs to learn how to not take such punches. And all of the fights were coup and honeymoon was crazy man I do lip like stray booty. Sheiks but that's that's my booty cheeks opened his lift up looked nasty man and he'll he'll to have the he is going to grow with that low lying they're gonna take like a piece of his leg or something watch and like put it in their sold out today if they do if they do that then it's like nah said he's going to get a cleft lip if they just saw it up like that that's going to get a grafted it's gonna it. Yes thank you very. He never upright man. You'd think very johnson got graph money. Man y'all just reminds candidate healthcare. Somebody remind me. Some i remind was his biggest fight so so he could afford this grafted eight. That's why it's important to go. Vote on tuesday. Holy get you protect yourself at all times shot agent club. Y'all we going out to talk to a away. You're way your way your way. Yo eighty your favorite call the hey hey your favorite caller disaster for the position like that you know. Don't give a boss. Yo yo yo an emmy good service every day on your crave everything peace peace cigars earth. Now listen meeting listen listen. Do you know a caulker don mega. That was the ancient great white shark when you first one of his teeth in seven inches long. That's where fly half a mil you do know finding a finding a clam when you opened the clamming either and find a pearl what i'm trying to say is the thing that makes baby is that has the we saw the fight. Y'all you saw it happen. We saw men almost leave on a stretch with one at one hundred and thirty pam's so stop playing with tank. Everybody that's listening. Start playing with that man. I told everybody yesterday he needs to stay at one. third jabri. russ you're doing all this talk. Go fight the monster when he moved up all thick listen. He's height job. I sort of fright from a toaster right now. Michael polite coffee who sleep. Also go down to cruiserweight. Did either here. We don't want you here you you got your who we will knock out all sick. That's let right tower knock. You'll be all sick. Charts wont will be audited. They talking about no. I'm saying otc around the cruiserweight man ever wasn't thirty. Two driver was thirty two. he would've knocked out sick. He didn't have it in your home. Say let me tell you. Tribuana johnson lips light donald from the album. Too big super lips. I never see nobody. Green is full. Everybody at one. Six eight balanga will sleek logger will sleep What's my name name. Because mukunda mccooey whatever his name about doing we're doing night magdaleno. Give it up man retired. 'cause is a cruise down seven three seconds. Get out get out of here. But like i say y'all that's was going on on breaches stroke race. Listen keeney stay at once forty but but let's make some fights right now one thirty. I got one thirty five. Because i got tanked no Ago with shell. I want i want tank and gary russell at one third i want tank. Chris colbert thirty. I want taint it to form. It went thirty one. Thirty five jimmy on female. But i think if take catch to. You're going to sweep to your female crease. Mamane king listening all this time. He here ness every day pronounce. Mongia man butcher like that. I feel You know you think he's crazy and only those people move king born knows books and he's funny but he knows like what to pick a box he was dead on. The only thing he was wrong about is trying to pronounce ghia. That was it. Yeah ray was doing on purpose knows entrepreneurs go talks shocks clubs or lose things. Many which is the main watched clam heavy. Y'all y'all need to listen. Pay attention some of his questions on tidal. He'd be like may he'll school you shit. I'm done it. You leave man. He he really meant to say clamps. Oh no the difference to be honest with you. I know one class all know. I knew what he meant though like. I've seen enough cartoons to understand what his point was. I just didn't know if she doing the clams and or strips a mean guy do. Maybe i don't know should be saw good high so he wouldn't eat it. I've been like a no. I don't know what the hell that is. The next caller caller my jean bed new jersey then meals sammy sosa. Staff shot up forgetting bag. Laffoon would up chant. Good evening evening. I just wanted to say shoutout to carlito's i'm glad that to diminish we're able to get the bag this time and then august shout out to trae miller new zoo shimane of the pick them league You know it ain't real until you come into the league so i'm just saying But definitely got give up. A lot of credit to brand them entry because and info The definitely helped me secure the bag this month. Obviously chopping it up with me in the back called giving me ideas just doing what we do. Best and that's literally just talked boxing But yeah man appreciate all the while on the second call all right. We see p california. What a what up. And because the i Much love much. Respect the tank. All your nose policy y. P. crew him wowed carlos that's those are my guys that's just how it here but if i have a special special closeness because tang the former foster youth just like me and i'm always on for him what shit when. Pr's which is like a brother we. All brothers in the system will grow no parents. That's just how it is. That's my guy. I love him any putting he putting us on the map steel. That's another world champion. I appreciate that man on that latino now now now now now now at all of that. I i need to hear this when it comes to it away. I'm looking at a stat that probably no. I believe that if you really power for power it doesn't come and singles. Now what is what. Do i mean when i say you got mexico to nello mighty name of few you had philippines. Don't air pacman name a few. Aj series orange. The glaucoma better. Be bill rigo or waiting to go put american. You know the japanese. He's the fraud that's why it was that good and it's good as there'll be somebody else in another way class somewhere from japan whoop it s just like him but the reason there isn't is because he's a fraud just like chocolate tito from nicaragua ethnic petito some. Sometimes i think its own. Think about and. I'm telling you usually do come by himself. He don't steroids or hyped up in cuba. I'll take steroids so that would make him hype job last. Not least not least amir. Khan mike mccarthy you brooke and regal all due to move up to a new way to visit a fight a big fight with out ever fighting at that weight class before. Nobody had a problem with him win. Lille at one thirty one built got tanks pitching in the end of the that has been at ninety nine percent of his career. He only one time in the past three four years at every other time. It's at one thirty and now does not efficient because now man if leo's not at one thirty pounder he never said. It would've been built age owner when he got that built for. Paulie mellen not. He became afford to facing champion about four division champion. Adrian ronin division champion. Leo santa cruz. They both the same thing and then off where they to with an expert. Respect respect respect leo with a great fighter. Four division champion but boxing. Like like floyd say tank good but split. Francis choke chuck latino show by himself Ricardo my yoga or the door for choke latigo right. Because every time. I d- japanese is a lot of them. I'm not even gonna go through it because they were gonna go crazy. We'll just say we fought but the lower weight division that i'm talking about the wanna severn one ordos more guys at lozo jumping as people there and then there's also murata i don't i. Don't think that kid up but hey he's also meeting dues in a different way division right. So yeah they got. They got a lot of their You know and honestly there a lotta people that followed only japanese boxing. Like it's if you are on twitter long enough you'll find pages dedicated to You know japanese boxing. It's americans that old them but a real quick before we go the next caller. I'm a man of my word on a pay. My bet jordan. Got the bed over me. So i'm putting myself in the face like an idiot and i don't think i'm gonna be doing anymore. I'll be losing shit out a whip cream pie not a pop park. Yeah yeah no. It's a whip cream pie. i'm gonna take off. My head crosses our i know i know it's all right. Good career you could. You could cheat it. Just put that on like a frigging steidl. Should've should've i. We go man. We're gonna count it down and give me the three to take my headphones off. I ready is so france looking at you. Funny three to ono. Oh my god look at many many looking me shade himself. Laugh on t. v. Wit steve willis. Were we break. Because the made me feel mario a straight over here right left will unless you got all over my fucking war man but how did it feel like on your face. Damn sorry about that all right so that we bring up caller so they could turn you see that you like your sc got all wall stone stone stone bone colorado with a pass that nasa she didn't then from the left and the right here on sad fans. I i can't pass you all the way over there. I'm looking at you on the tv. Man's put it at night. As i got one each so i'm good. Hey man i was like i said. I figured we won't see one of the best tanks that we've seen in a long time being on wait. He looks strong fast. He looked explosive. The uppercut was coming early. Leo leo been lena cau- frampton was catching them with uppercuts. Tank is way more harder punch away more athletic way more explosive than a call frampton I remember pink. The knocked out. But i take to dominate it as leo was hanging out. Say he was cast out but this was this was mexican food for tank. This was the biggest mexican named that. Pbc got in and around his way class. Probably leo's probably the biggest mexican. Besides maybe mikey. I mean i think dr order to biggest. Pbc mexican it-it-it's and mikey's own. So i don't see that happening for tank so that gave him leo gray strategy great execution you see them doing angles some of the stuff. He's working with Floyd a jim you say. No turn leo and just jab on quick. You could see leon was. He's not flat footed. He's not fast but it so his feet can get stuck tank. Hit him on an angle tank was able to just lean a little bit to the side. Leases jab out there and come under it around it over it. Leo put good pressure so good fight. Magistate leo at no been up there by bill. And i wanna see tango after like you say gary russell's a tab farmers the even like bar set like you said i think or maybe What's the other kid brush out about. The fight was his name I think mexican kid. What's his name Valdez that'd be a decent five form to 'cause i think brazil beat valdez. It s a good knocks. If you can knock him out in the end going to that five tanks stay at one thirty you got you got. You don't have the size advantage at one thirty. You definitely are glad that at one thirty five air one thirty where you're going to be explosive you power going to be impactful and you can dominate their work. All right stone thanks for calling in and it looks like my gene bid is the boomerang. What up. I never thought about tanking. But that's a good at fight right now. so to cyp's thinking about you know if they're not coming with anybody else that needed that fake will then that would mean that would better durant was fake because he was the only panamanian And that's not true. There's a ton of japanese fighter. Great japanese fighters hall of famous Going on and on again. If you do not know boxing. I study the history. Then come back to what's happening today. that being said again For the people on the pick them league and that are not unpicking league if you want to compete with everybody that truly knows the studies sport. Come to the pickup league. See you know. Put your money where your mouth is and the same you guys can really compete A great weekend fights. I'll talk to you everybody Tomorrow have a good night. All right we got stolen boom right back at us. His boomerang would up. Yeah and and Regis back to real quick. That's why this type of the things that you wanna see from tang. You wanna see. Floyd calvin sitting there looking at him like does animal. They was looking at him. Like floyd was looking at him. Like like one hundred hundred million dollar checks. He was casson with a pack. Y'all and connor. That's how calvin looking at all the work you've been putting that at years. He arna win. I ain't gonna take none from. I wanna see what he do next. research programs. I don't did. He come back and make a did. He says it wasn't for title. I didn't even do. Y'all know you didn't come back and try. He's tried ways trust and once. Yes get those. It has disappointed man I went for no todd. Oh five a having a little little ways you know since he left Taxes in and now he trained in california in hollywood. Like you've been hearing a little ramblers behind the scene from like the people who used to be around him by. He's he act in hollywood now he sitting on the beach working out and hanging with mark wahlberg. He'd been signed with walberg down for a while. Now he doing acting in movies. And i'll know if it like. That look was laughing at him on a mullah's ado killed herself to make that. He's funny he didn't even do in. Just sit there with this little funny smirk. Like i'll see you motherfucker in popcorn and it's just like he ain't say nothing new look on. That was so official. Let me tell you. I was crying when i seen that he that was. I loved it. He did that. Yes and to me. Listen you know. If i don't i don't know if y'all are basketball fans like college basketball i'll look at the pound for pound like Sorry huskies fan see. It's like a march madness y'all a little cinderella team. You always find a little guy that can move a few divisions chocolate. Tito's it's gonna strategies it's gonna always be a little guy that get the that that that twelve a in ended up winning some games. That's what those guys is. It's okay for them to make the list for a couple of years of being knocked up. is boxing. Only the great rain at the top. Like a koffler cannella for years. It's ok guys take a deep breath. Y- losing two years and we'll replace them with another guy and it's still going to be like a coffered cannella today retire so i have a blessed night and i'll see you out in the morning. Reza he will lose in two years. Because it's going to take that much longer before they put them in with a stiff person a real person. he's literally in there with guys like mcdonald and donayre and they calling in a mosque doesn't sound. we need a new name. Attainment we need a new name tank if this guy is the monster tank is what man. That's all i'm said. He's a murderer. Does what i be saying me but that is everybody. Except i mean i mean. Caller your why you won't get cut that we start off with the mario With the with the with the with the crag but didn't go into that somehow mix it man we gotta get that man caller. I mean what's up with that man. We gotta get that in it now would it. would it that'd be. I let me take a minute to say this. Young sound wanna run. Nobody off man was shot out to everybody on. Tv shot out the whole border war. Shout out to everybody. That's working hard to make this happen. definitely you know what i'm saying. It's a. It's a spirit as dennis from tampa with say. Oh we're all in medan sometimes a short fuse and sometimes long fuses and and how we develop a longer. Fuselage don't explode as we develop healthy habits in his border wars or something that mentally physically best thing you could jump into. So that's Year but look. Joe we are out you second lovejoy a heavyweight europe saying because i said you know like to sewer. Yeah yeah like two doors. Old dog in the least disrespectful way just so as a gatekeeper. But you know like y'all did the roll call me. We will put them in there against helena's you know. Look what they'll do is they'll they'll they'll dig up from farro. Far lenny is might knock dependent. Lenny is if they give them a full can't shit de mass or where he come home. Write some shit like that but But i oh man is just saying like somebody needed sought. Because we can't just throw this guy we talked about anyway at pow for pound again. You can't just have fought at cruiserweight. At least we're roy jones. Did he jumped up and got title with with with with sugar. Ray leonard did it night. And nineteen ninety four when he ninety ninety one or ninety four ninety. One we for w alon. He went to the way way. Wait tennis partner. Because he said you know he was doing it for a reason like you. You can't just you great what. He did at cruiserweight but heavyweight. I don't see it delia. White delina white sick. I think billy white cleaning up but you know. That's my call man. I talked your fellas in the morning. Now he don't wanna smoke. That's the thing may take an east type of because he's trying to get that payday with joshua he trying to use the wbo as a route to joshua the fact that he he's he's being a businessman as beaten some uk dude dog. He ain't trying to win trying to get that payday and go back to fucking ukraine to admit everybody know. He can't be josh transition. He never had pie way. Cruiserweight octo i- gave him the benefit of doubt saying like. Oh he didn't have power cruiserweight. Maybe guest that power heavyweight because he was sucking down and make the crews because he was so big like six four some shit. But that wasn't it power was just we gotta counterpunch. Though from my gene would up chant and so two things real quick. I think that you guys are just appreciate what said is. I do believe that he can compete the heavyweight division. He's a different by way. he's a different type of style and end the day. It's all boxing. So he can get around those power punches by being basic with his feet entire guys out and then beating him on points. It's still winning i. It's still w in the in the wind karl and then on to anyway I think he's very very talented. I think he is a monster. But i do think and i know i'm being biased. I think rigo beat them his. He think chad if to zawra did that to you. He can't use his feet to get away and win a points decision. This is what we're saying like this is a false. He staying undefeated to get his age a shot he no he going to lose. They know he going to. If you ain't see yesterday not going to lose by one punch to aj aj aj definitely on that mandatory shot. Does the charles martin on a man. One palms drop. Some is just you. can't he's too small. It's too small man. He's thin man. Y'all when when they faced off. I was shot. How big was inches. Zora's not that big. He's kinda always hunts down. He's got that nice big bag but he's got also like a curved today so he behinds that he still was bigalow wider than news and everything and usa gave us his feet as good as you see what you seen honestly. I've seen them getting hit. Gin caught by thirty six year. Old man was able to cut the ring off sloppy. man. I'm telling you hilarious. Might be dema dylan. White definitely beats a month man. I think he's got gotta counterpoint. He can't he can't stop dealing white man from coming even though it's been kind of laying back in his last three five. But man i can't take dylan. Wise left hook if doing waco setup that left hook somehow he sleeps them. I i mean. I guess he took a punch from two zorba than no man. Different you said. Cyp serve me see. Let me see. Oh actually we gotta counterpunched Dominic talk to me and be real Real quick and sweet. Would i think lucic might take the spot for a gatekeeper from resor. I feel like we're not eating cheeseburgers. Together they're having that conversation I don't see lucid. beat nobody top ten I think you'll be a good gatekeeper and I think chores pass the torch down. That's michael see. Why p go yo I i know we remember this. But as i do name is mile. Guna for nine hundred seventy unified two-time lightweight champion from panama. The same time as roberto duran. Listen man don't don't do that. There's no way to go figure me out in a couple of seconds so save your money and create inquiry rebuttal. Don't do don't do that. Like i said about active fighters. Everybody i gave. You had to counterpart connecticut. Mikey fight to give fighting now. The donayre pacman. Aj theory you think loma better be bieber re all fighting together raise your counterpart you don't if auto ryota. My order is your second. Best japanese fighter at one sixty and we know that a top one sixty and he got regular belt. Don't play dumb. you know he's not a top one seeking seeking don't fire he ain't up to leave it alone in a way. Maybe i'm leaving melby overrated and usually. I'm right i'll leave it at that. You up you up. He was beating on the newest so i gave him extra time. You know how that go biased. Yeah i was on mute. And i did the own and you did it. And i was at the c. y. Paid out dowa. Three point shot right there. That was call. 'cause once sixty is on fire and aino japanese the immense mario with the old number. That's how long my big the old number he china china i thought is the right one. I looked on my phone and then i was like wait a minute. This is the old one. Because i have the is as box bush. Radio says radio boxing voice. I always forget which one but you're trying to start numbers just like don't look at this rate for now i'll fix it in the morning. All right that is everybody awesome. Because i got a shower but we'll be back tomorrow morning. Nine am is we out. He shot out to everybody. Have a good night and Yeah man hoping to catch guys listening to the mona show on your way to work. Let me see majimbo. Did he do another counterpunch or something. I'm a shower anyway. Mcgee on twitter at more mobile instagram osceola. In the morning. I'm gauche our shout up to jordan rate fights. I'll see all my gym be always dog. I'm staying ahead the skull. I'm trying to get this house. Would up who wanna talk boxing champ morning. I'm here leave brother but yeah so so back to the thing. I just don't think you understand what he's trying to do. You guys are looking at a as a traditional current heavyweight but yet everybody thinks a of ali as the greatest ever he was not a knockout puncher. He would dance move and he would take hits tire you up. That's his whole game. And i think he can be successful at it here but onto. Cyp and the whole panoply. It's you say that they have no fighters but yet they have history of it. So of course there's going to be more fight as coming from that that that area and not only that but they dominate they and the mexicans dominate the lower class. It's been like that for years. You know this is nothing new If you go look at the rankings. I guarantee every way division from one from one twelve to about one eighteen. You're gonna find at least four or five japanese fighters but yeah that's my call. I talked to you tomorrow. Thank you for your call. Thank you for border. Wars chai gummy mad distracted man. So that's how i like it man. It's how likely is right right. But i think is going to be difficult to just get through to to people based on popularity because like i said like it. You go through some japanese. Them and people are debbie with the had where can buy and those are like. You know one eight hundred nine people one fifty and all the but you know it's it's not an argument that even go into 'cause it's going to be like a rabbit hole man but the awesome fighters they haven't well as suez p said he ain't done. He said he wanna help. Ness in the new house fun. You're right you said. I bet you look it up. You'll you'll probably see some japanese guys probably at the at the lower divisions that's right how. How did you think i'd give my information. I'm not like you actually do. Look it up. The second best. Powerful pound fighter from japan is way order. Look it up yourself. Like i'm sick of this shit. I'm sick and you lazy as you got the same time to doc. Look it up come back with a better argument so at least one time. I can look like a goddamn food on his show. Stop being lazy. Railroad is the second best japanese fighter at one sixty thirty four years old. That's not the. Cyp may maybe the better known because he's like is a middleweight. But make an appointment on decision where people talk about night reigning champion on your way yamanaka for his own poor at bantamweight. A do the champion for years. Man i you know. I can't even remember if you say six years seven years get a bunch of way division. Whatever right so those are people. They'll throw names that it. But like i said we go down the rabbit hole because people are gonna say what the hell you talking about all that is. Everybody says gt Instagram in twitter fellas. Yeah this is francis next. Sports are next sports. Talk monday to friday seven. Am eastern time checking me on everybody. Facebook youtube i g already know what it is becoming more fire more box tomorrow nine. Am right here on tv. 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Next Door To A Killer - Hiding in Plain Sight

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash H. L N Joseph James, the Angelo is facing thirteen homicide charges and thirteen charges of kidnap with intend to rob in connection with the Golden State killer crime spree while law enforcement believes him to be responsible for the many rapes attributed to the east area rapist spree due to statute of limitations. They cannot file rape charges at the time of this recording. Joseph de ngelo has not yet entered a plea and is awaiting trial. Lock our doors at night. Hacked, all over California. The community was taken hostage brutal homicides. One of the prolific serial killers in the history of this state. If not in this nation. We're gonna launch the national campaign to help identify the Golden State killer. Though as known crime of the Golden State killer was the brutal murder of genetic cruise in may of nineteen eighty six since then it seems that he went dormant many speculated that he may have died or was incarcerated bites on April twenty four th twenty eighteen law enforcement arrested. The man they believe to be the Golden State killer after his DNA one hundred percent matched the semen samples left at the crime scenes that man's name is Joseph James, the Angelo and from the late eighties to his arrest. Jodi, Angela lived a seemingly quiet life in the quiet neighborhood of citrus heights. Just east of Sacramento. One of his neighbors is our guest right now. Please welcome Granth. Gorman I grant so let's start at the beginning. You grew up in the house behind the Angelo's in. What would you say is like your earliest memories somewhere in the eighty s? Yeah. Definitely late eighties playing with his children. And what was the name? The neighborhood like at that time. It was a brand new development. I mean, the all the houses were built in the early eighties. And it was original owners and most of the houses a lot of kids new schools. There was an up and coming development, and you knew the de ngelo kids because you were similar in age. Yeah, he had one daughter who was very close to my age. So I was friends with her. And that's how I got to know the family. It was the kind of neighborhood where kids would like hang out and play and do things where you guys all sort of like tight like that. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Actually, Jodi, Angelo, lived the top of a tall hill that was right front his driveway. And it was a lot of fun to take your bikes down or check your three Wheeler down. So the front of his house could be a meet up point for a lot of the kids. Most days where it would be playing in front of his house. Wow. I'm about to meet a place for the kids in front of Joe's house. Why not well, you told us some great stories for the show? And unfortunately, we didn't have time for all of them. But I would like create a tell the story about you would camp in the backyard. Some nights talk about that growing up. We had a train, but one of those large trampolines in our backyard that me, and my brother sister would take our sleeping bags out warm summer nights in which sleep in the backyard on the trampoline, and we'd tell stories invite maybe cousins over and have little parties back there. And that was some of the first times that we got the here Joe having his arguments with himself or his rants and in his backyard. Those were the earliest memories, I have of Joe acting very strangely. Can you describe what that sounded like or what that was like what time it was? Yeah, we'd go into the backyard early in the night seven or eight around time someone down and it'd be after midnight usually late in the night. Joe would start making his rants, and we'd be there. Quietly whispering to ourselves. And all the sudden you'd hear these expletives these arguments going on over the fence you'd hear him for two or three minutes hatching out whatever you needed to hatch out and in his head. And it scared us when we were little, but we didn't understand what was really going on. I mean, we were too young to to probably take it seriously, and he'd finish up whatever he was yelling about and go back into his house a half hour later in our later. He might be out doing it again. And it would it would go on throughout the night. How old were you at this time probably started, and we were eight or nine years old. Yeah. That's got to be weird. Eight or nine and living next door to that. You must you make sense. You didn't know what was going on? Why was he acting this way? No, not at all. And it was it might have scared us the first couple times it happened. But it wasn't out of the norm to hear him. Do it. So very quickly it became kinda commonplace. And we joke about it my sister, and I would say that he had aliens living in his attic would say that. He was crazy Joe arguing with himself not taking it seriously just thinking that he was it was so normal to us. We were too close to the forest to see the trees. Wow. What'd you say? It was something that happened monthly or even weekly a weekly. Definitely. I mean, it was very common. Wow. Yeah. You also mentioned this story where you saw Jodi Angela in a rage, and it showed you what? True anger looked like an tell us how that affected you. And and what what happened there? I mean, there's those moments in your life that kind of stick with you. And you're not sure why we all those very few memories from our? Young young childhood. But I remember specifically one time Joe caught me looking into his backyard, and I don't know what he had been doing right before. But he came around the corner of his house really quickly and may direct I contact with me. And in that moment, like the look he gave me I was terrified. I I could still vividly see like his his square kind of Brown. Faddish face like shaking, just bright red and his his dirty blond hair just like going back and forth kind of crazily. But not breaking eye contact with me, and it really scared me. I still remember it. What did you do? Did you just run away ran away? I mean this guy lives next door to me. And I wasn't a troublemaker kid. I was just curious. He was probably yelling right before. I was trying to see what he was mad at this time. And you don't expect to get a death. Look from your neighbor. Yeah. No kidding. So obviously as a kid you guys would talk about. Maybe call them crazy job. Do you recall or or did your parents talk about like how did the rest of the neighborhood kind of view him? Did they have the same reaction as the kids did or or did he act differently with adults? We didn't talk a lot of the neighbors that he had living right behind him. We dealt with them because we shared that property line. You know, the neighbors that are on his street would be the more day to day neighbors that would probably have conversations about them, my parents stopped interacts with them when we were young just because they got some weird feelings when they invited Joe and his wife over to a birthday party of mine, and my brother's when we were seven or eight years old, and they wanted to be neighborly with the family Joe gave off some sort of ibe where my parents just made a decision that they wouldn't be inviting them over anymore. Wow. Did he come to the birthday party? Yeah. Him and his wife brought their children over to the party. Do you have any more details on what was weird about it? I don't think they did anything that was too over the top. I know. My parents told me that him and his wife or arguing at the party, and Joe wasn't very sociable. But there's no one straw that broke the camel's back, right? Then it was just an overall feeling of uneasiness that made a main my parents not want to socio it with the family anymore. And now is just the beginning of our families kind of not getting along we weren't feuding families by any means, but over the years enough incidents happened to where we knew not to go over to their house anymore. We knew not just show see with their family knew more. My parents didn't think it was safe. So yeah, it wasn't like there were huge red flags more. So like, oh, these are just really awkward conversations. And clearly there's stuff going on that household, and let's just keep to our own business. Exactly. No, huge red flags. That's it's looking back. You know with hindsight being twenty twenty that you see all those little those little red flags, and you wonder how. Did I miss so many seemingly obvious clues now that something was really wrong over there? Well, you don't just assume that you're living next door to someone who's going to end up being an alleged serial killers. That's completely understand at all. I got that question a lot like did you ever soom? Did you ever think it was Hammond? Like, what are you talking about? Do you think any your neighbors or serial killers or high profile criminals? I mean, of course, not it's so out of the norm. Right. And actually shortly after that incident is that win Sharon moved out. She moved out in the early nineties. It would have been very, yeah. It would have been very close to that probably in the next year or two when she moved out he stayed. Yes. And you know, they're still technically married today. Even though they separated at the time, but the kids would still come over. Right. I mean, a lot of times people think oh parents divorce and the kids go with the mom. Did you feel like he's still wasn't active? Father participating in the kids would come over. Or what was your impression at the time? I would see the kids there. I mean. Yeah, he was still parenting to whatever degree. I couldn't tell you. But he wasn't an absent father, even after the the mom moved out in the family kinda got split up. I would still see the kids there throughout grade school and high school years till we all moved away and as a kid, obviously, you have your own experience of your father. And then you see him with, you know, your friends as their father. Did you guys think of him as a father to your friends or was he just crazy Joe when I was growing up me and my siblings? I mean, the wool was we were so young and so naive that. I remember hearing Joe yell at his family yell at his kids. And I thought to myself that it must have been something as kids did wrong. Maybe he got into an argument to with his wife. Maybe it was something that his wife. Did. I remember thinking that even though he was such a weird character. I gave him credit for being the father back, then I didn't really. See him as being a monster or being this radical? It was something that I grew up next door to like, I said my entire life. It was normal to me. So when I heard him yelling at his kids. I remember thinking like man his daughters are so well behaved when when I see him, but they must go home and be held razors. Because he's always yelling at him. And that seems to be a running theme. Right. You mentioned earlier, you know, he he had many angry outbursts. He seems like he was pretty loud and using my right? Saying was using pretty foul language. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And would you? I mean was he witty like did you have go-to word or did? He did he like pick on a certain person or group of people when he was ranting. If I could go back in time and really pay attention to what these rant specifically said that that's my one my one wish and this whole situation, you know, because I feel like there was a lot of things said that we just didn't give any credibility to and went in one ear and right out the other. Other. He wasn't a witty guy. It was kind of. He was a diesel, you know, he's a diesel mechanic. And it was kind of the cursing that you would expect to hear some sort of mechanic, shop blue collar sort of rance, and he wasn't a genius. I mean, he was a he was a tinkerer and head systems set up. He was a very regimented, man. But I don't think he was some sort of criminal mastermind or anything. He was he never gave me that by. Did. He stay up most nice because you said you were out camping at night. And he would come out, you know. And you said he's pretty regimented. Did he seem like a guy who you know, was it was a night owl or early morning guy. Yeah. He was up at night a lot. He kept those hours. So I wouldn't see him in the morning a lot. But at nighttime especially back in the nineties and early two thousands that seemed to where he would get a lot of his stuff done. Right. You also told a scary story. Of how Jodi Angelo intimidated, your mom, your mom, by the way, who had been aware of the area rapists in the seventies? And had put extra locks on our gates at the time. Now, usually those locks had been ignored. And then one early morning. Joe scared her what what happened? My mom was doing yard work in our backyard here institutes heights, and Joe was mad about something took it upon himself to get into his car and drive the full quarter mile half mile. It is to our driveway. Because even though we share that property line to get to his front door to our front door takes takes a little bit. But he drove himself all the way to our house. Let himself into our side gate walked around our whole property and met my mom who was by herself at our house in the backyard and just started screaming at her and they're not neighborly. I mean, this was probably ten years twelve years after the family, stop talking, and it terrified my mom. And he was he just started laying indoor about I think he was mad, but it was too early to be doing yard work, and he's Cussing at her just got her to cry there in the backyard and. My mom thought about calling the police that day because she knew what happened wasn't normal. She's been living in in that property for over thirty years. And no one has ever let themselves into the backyard into the house, and he did it with node regard. He he let himself in and was so comfortable back there. Yelling and intimidating my mom that it really terrified her and knowing what you know. Now looking back, then I imagined even more terrifying. My. Yeah, my mom was by herself getting yelled at by the Golden State killer. I mean anything could have happened. And that's how close she was to be being part of the story. It's really scary. It is I think part of what's also fascinating about that story is what you said just with no regard for anybody's personal property or personal space. He just walked right into that backyard. And it's a story that, you know, even some of your other neighbors of told how he would kind of show up in your backyard or show up on your property where most of us. Might you know ring the doorbell, and if no one opened, you know, leave he didn't seem to have that respect for other people's property. You're right. It wasn't until after he got arrested some of us. Neighbors started talking about, you know, things that we might have missed stories from over the years, and it wasn't uncommon for him to do just that let himself onto other neighbors properties when he was in a rage felt that he was entitled to do. So because of his anger. That's not the only scary moment. Grants family had with neighbor and suspected Golden State killer. Joseph James, D Angela the Angelo also left the family of very threatening voicemail. And grant shares that story next. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place. You can go were hiring is simple fast. And smart that place is ZipRecruiter with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job. 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Any today at Xeni dot com slash H, L N, that's Z E N N. I dot com slash H. L N. Push speaking with grand Gorman, one of Joseph DeAngelis, longtime neighbors grant, you also told us on the unmasking killer documentary series about a threatening voicemail that Jodi Angela left on your family's answering machine. Can you tell us what was happening where the Angelo felt the need to call and leave that message. It was a weird dog at the time who was barking and in the in the thirty years we lived in that house. Joe hates the neighborhood dogs and between him complaining about him face to face or he would even go the legal route and complained to the city and try to get the dogs taken away from different families on the block. He really went out of his way to to make life hard for dog owners for some reason, but our family got back from a weekend trip, and he left a an anonymous voice mail on our answering machine saying that if we didn't shut our dog up he would bring a load of death to the family and no name. No number anything after that. That was the entire. Message and my dad immediately recognized who it was and he walked right in the backyard and just started yelling at Joe's house. He took a step up on offense that we share and just started demanding satisfaction demanding for him to come out and have a conversation about what happened Joe came out and didn't walk up to the fence, his his backsliding, glass doors, probably fifty feet away from the property line. And that's where he stayed and they had a yelling match back and forth. A little Big Joe admitted that he was the one who left the answering machine message and we needed to do something about our dog. But my dad was already passed that part of the argument time his family had been threatened. You've felt that a line had been crossed. You knew that this situation was dangerous. So at the end of that argument, both sides left fist thrown. But the the very next week. My dad built a brand new fence between our two houses but taller than fence there before and my daddy even saved at Cape with the death read on him for years. Just in case something something happened and new it could have been keys. Now, it was a short time after that. Right. That your your dog got sake. What do you think dog that we had was three or four years old and in the prime of its life and add nowhere. Yeah. It was that same year that Joel up those death threats the dog hat started having these. Episodes. But just uncontrollable lethargic. Couldn't get up. Couldn't. And was getting sick Daba. Get better happen. Maybe two or three it happen to three times. And we ended up having to put the dog down the vet gave us a diagnosis of. Possible chemical imbalance possible hormone imbalance, but looking back on it and talking to some of the neighbors we're fairly certain that Joe had been poisoning some of the neighborhood dogs. And that we might have been a victim to that. And not known it. Knowing Judy Angela was arrested trying to steal dog maze in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine I mean, I don't know what dog Mace could do to a dog or a repeated use of it. But it can't be good can't be comfortable. And then, you know, it's it's also really interesting. The whole him not really liking dogs because before there was an alleged Golden State killer before he was arrested. Everyone was speculating that he had some sort of power over dogs because a dogs wouldn't bar? So it's almost like you would expect him to be this master of dogs in the neighborhood all the dogs love him. But actually it sounds like he completely hated dogs. Yeah. He he was the opposite. He did not like dogs at all. And he he loved his children. But from the experience the we had grown up next to him. He also didn't like other people's children. And I think the. Power dynamic is what he really enjoyed of having things that he knew he could he could control with just blind anger like he could he could get mad at kids and they'd Obam. He'd get mad at dogs. They'd obey him. Right. Yeah. There is also some some rumors of some other. You know, he didn't like the cats in his backyard or it wasn't just dogs. Right. It wasn't just dogs. He hated especially hated neighborhood cats because the he is like ten or fifteen feet of undeveloped property on his side of the fence that we share that in the thirty years. He's lived there. He's never done any- anything with. It's just kind of dirt and sparse weeds because he'd never wanted to put the money into fix it. But it became the perfect spot for the neighborhood cats use the bathroom, so I would. Yeah. I would hear him all the time complaining about this God damn cats and not more than a couple of times that would be the cause of some of his rants in the backyard. I mean little things would set him off on those rants. And it was raged coming out as the years went on, you know, your growing up. How would you describe the Angelo as a neighbor? I mean, he he seemed to pride himself on a clean yard. But you told us he was known to be cheap. Give us some more details. He he was a real common character in the neighborhood. So he was the kind of guy who was in his driveway all the time and you'd see him in wave and he'd always wave back. But that was the most interaction you wanted to have with them if a guy anything deeper where you had to have an actual conversation with them or had talked to him about money. Splitting cost and something. Then he he really became argument and not a fun person to be around. But as far as the really scary stuff that he did we've lived next to him for a long time, and he's mellow. He's an old man now, and he still has anger in them. But it's not like it was back in in eighty eight or ninety eight he had a different fire in his belly back then and he caused more. More problems for the neighborhood back then than he has in the last fifteen years. So he was mellowing a bit. Yeah. He mellowed with age. I'm gonna had been hard to keep up that anger like he really ran in the red a lot. It's interesting though, how you know, you would think I mean, if the accusations are, correct. And this is what he did that, you know, you'd go hiding more. But as you said, he is kind of hiding in plain sight of he's standing on his driveway waving everybody in you know, kind of everybody knew him and saw him and new to kind of, you know, not get too close to him. But it wasn't like he's the guy that no one ever sees. No, not at all. You'd see him all the time. He was so proud of his front yard and his house, and he you got to put a face to the property. So you knew he lived in there. He kept that house the same color as the original paint job. He never remodeled the front of the house that house looks just like did when it was built back. In the late seventies early eighties. I mean, the house was a big part of his who he identified himself as did you ever go inside the house? No, I can't imagine. Why? Yeah. Goodness. Actually, his house though is the same floor plan as my house. So it's kind of weird walking by his house because it's the exact same house. And like I said, it's the original color that he kept it on the front, even though he painted the back half of his house at different color. But if I walked by his house, and it's a blast from the past where I see my house from thirty years ago. What it looked like then? So there's rumors that he's you know, out in his yard with scissors cutting his grass was he that meticulous about the front yard. Yeah. Well, the deal with the scissors was he has these three large boulders in his front yard that he has to around. And I think he was just too cheap to buy an editor. So to get close to those. He would have to get down on his hands and knees and and use scissors around him. He's a strong guy, and he's he's very capable up till the day. He arrested him those rocks. He he pushed over on their side and kind of get the grass underneath it and push him back. So. So this the scissors story isn't like he was out there like a crazy person trying to cut every blade of grass with a pair scissors. This is a story just shows the care that he put into his yard for some reason he got lost in his house and doing his maintenance work that was his hobby. There's also on the if you're facing the house on the right hand side. There's this huge kind of structure like a shade structure that you see in the media coverage in the end, the photos and stuff. What is that in? How did that get to be there? I've talked about that with a couple of the other neighbors. None of us know one hundred percent what he was thinking when he put it up the best. We can come up with is shade structure to keep that half of the house cooler. It was a harebrained idea that none of us that ever seen it before. And none of us are really sure to this day what he was thinking when he put it up. It's a bit of an eyesore surprised the neighbor next door didn't have an issue with it. Well, if they did what they say anything. Oddly enough, the neighbors next door to him didn't have any run ins with Joe in the thirty years that they had lived they still it's original homeowners next door, and I've talked to them a couple of times they didn't have a lot of problems with Joe. And I think the reason for that is actually the old lady who lives there. Her husband who isn't around anymore used to be good friends with Joe and Joe hasn't had that many good friends from what I understand in the thirty years. He's lived on the street and might have just been one or two people who who he associated with on a friendly basis, but he was one of them interesting. And you also said that he he was trying to keep the house cool potentially with the shade structure. And that's why the of the house was painted a different color Dono. I that's the best. I could come up with. Yeah. The front of the house is paid in that original Brown and the back of a house is painted white right down the middle. Fifty fifty. One color one color the best. I could come up with. He was doing it to save a c- cost keep the house cooler. Yeah. Because the sun hits the back of his house, and then the side that has shaped structure for most of the day. So that would make sense right in why spend the extra money on the paint for the front then apparently where he really wanted the front still look as nice as. Yeah. That's what I think. I think he really wanted that house to look original. And that is that is not common on the street. And none of the houses have the original colors. They've all been remodeled there all these houses were built thirty years ago. They're all updated now, but Joe really liked living in that early eighties. Looking house. What was your last sighting or interaction with him? I couldn't remember specifically. It was probably just one of these driving by his house and seeing him in his garage or. Might have been doing yard work and seen him in his backyard. I mean seeing him was so common that I couldn't really remember the last time that I specifically saw him. Right. And when you would see him, would you was it the kind of thing where you would wave, and I use it a lot of people would wave to them or you just didn't you just didn't interact. I would definitely wave. I mean if in this neighborhood. This is a nice suburban neighborhood. And it's polite to wave to your neighbors. So you would always wave, and he's usually out there just in t shirt and jeans doing his thing. You said is pretty strong, right? Yeah. He was like a cartoon character where he wore the same kind of outfits all the time jeans, and like white undershirt, and he was very capable you'd see him on the block bicycling around still like I said he was doing all of his own yard work. He was he had jet skis in his driveway. I don't think he owned the jet skis. But whatever friend let him borrow those. Or have regard him. He was he was out. Doing other things and not a decrepit old man and on the morning of April twenty fifth twenty eighteen grants, very active, very fit neighbor Joseph Di Angelo was arrested and charged with being the Golden State killer Grammy calls what that morning was like for him his family and the quiet citrus heights neighborhood where he grew up. The case is we gotta find who wrote this. No, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth forensic files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes. Every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. On the morning of April twenty two thousand eighteen what were you doing? And how did you find out that this neighbor of yours Joseph Jamesy? Angelo was being arrested in the case of the Golden State killer morning. I remember getting on the internet and finding out that the Golden State killer had been arrested, and it was in sitter sites. In mmediately. Like, that's interesting. I I lived in sitter sites. Most my life my mom's there, I gotta figure out where this guy lived in. Details are real hard to come by that morning for the first hour. So and then my phone started ringing, and it was my mom, and she told me that there's F B I N helicopters flying over our house, and I needed to get over there. And I immediately put to in to gather and an assumed that one of our neighbors have been found out to be the Golden State killer. So without haste. I was over at my mom's house and walked right into my backyard across it stepped onto the fence that we share and peaked over and there's six FBI agents in the backyard caution tape everywhere, they were taking pictures of evidence in the backyard. It was madness. That's crazy. Uh-huh. What thing the wake up you just in San? Yeah. I mean, it's it's like seeing your world turned upside down in a way. I mean, you're quiet little suburban nice neighborhood where everybody waves to everybody is home to one of most alleged one of the most notorious Syra killers of all time. Yeah. And our backyard has we have three other neighbors that we share property lines with on our backyard, but growing up his house was the most interesting one, obviously because of these stories, and that was the house that we would pay attention to the house that we would sneak peeks that or spy on a little bit and see what was going on over there. And in that moment things started falling into place. It was like the reason I was drawn to watching this house for the last thirty years when I was growing up wasn't wasn't random choices. It was. Well, all those yelling all those yelling matches like all these heated arguments, all these fights. He had with himself really were red flags that I was picking up on and paying attention to. Two. And then have it all kind of done on you in that moment. What happened? It's it changed. My perspective on the home. I grew up in on my childhood. I mean all these memories I have now birthday parties easter's Christmases. They're all still great memories. But also now, I know one hundred fifty feet away from me was the Golden State killer all all those childhood memories. What was that day? Like for your mom, my mom left town immediately. She took three or four days and didn't want to be around when she got back. She did an interview with the DA, and she doesn't like talking about. Joe allot just because he really did scare her a couple times. And she was terrified of the Golden State killer growing up she always prided herself on being a safe person. And to know that you bought a house next one you invited him over. He let himself in. The backyard and threatened you. It was a lot process. Just surreal. That's a lot to process for me right now. And it didn't even happen to me. So I know it's hard to think about I mean. Yeah, it's your whole life has this character. And that you never suspected to be someone dangerous. What do you think? Now like looking back. The fact that Joe retreated after that confrontation from the voice mail like have you talked to your father about this? And what has he said what my dad remembers most about the argument this? He felt the line was crossed. And he he was out for blood. He wanted to fight Joey felt that his kids had been threatened his wife or the very minimum his his dog had been threatened and my dad loves his dog. So he was ready to go. My dad was and he assumed that Joe would be too. And when he started yelling at him that day and realized Joe didn't wanna fight just made my dad and more angry that this guy. Would leave an anonymous death threat on his answering machine and not have the balls to come up and actually do something about it? And that story is always been just a footnote in my life, but hindsight being twenty twenty now I know after that argument happened in my dad felt that he won and walked back into his house. I'm fairly certain that Joe walked in his house and just argued with himself or however long about if he could kill our family and get away with it or not or at very least kill my dad because I'm sure he was pissed off that day when when he got told off, and he probably went right into his house and was thinking man, can I get away with this hate that guy so much embarrassed me in front of the neighborhood. It's a quiet neighborhood, and they were yelling top of their lungs of each other. So it was a spectacle. And my dad felt that he'd probably handle the situation will not know how. Wrong. It could it could really gone. Yeah. It can't be easy for him. Now to realize that you know, he confronted who believes to be a Golden State killer and actually lived to tell about it. Yeah. I mean, it's probably a feather in your hat now. But at the time is it really worth doing it. I mean, the at twenty years later, you can kind of tell the story about you told off a serial killer. But if somebody told you that hey that guy over there is a serial killer. Do you wanna go pick a fight with them? No, no. Thank you, obviously. Not. And obviously as we said earlier, you don't know what you think, you know, about your neighbor. So it's one of those, you know, it's always so scary to think about even having that conversation or that confrontation with your neighbor. Exactly. I mean when I was little I'd cut through Joe's property at hot my fence run through his backyard. Hop his fence, and I'd be out on the street in front of his house. And it would save me a five minute walk ten minute. Walk if I was going through my back streets, and at the time, I was just jumped through my grumpy neighbor's backyard, not knowing that I was jumping through the Golden State killers backyard, and what he might have done if he found some stranger in his backyard. Unbelievable. And you know, I wanna ask you in light of all this have your perceptions of the world that changed in any way. My perceptions of the world. I do find myself, maybe more untrusting of people that I don't know. Very well, but I mean on a day to day my life hasn't changed. How I how I treat people hasn't changed. This was such a freak occurrence that you can't go through life expecting of had this happen to you ever. Again. Most people never have anything like this happen to them at all. So I think ACA chock it up to life being crazy. And luckily, we all came out of it. Okay. Have you thought about his daughters at all in light of this? Yeah. I have that'll be a really interesting. Story to hear of what actually happened with them. Because they we didn't talk to them a lot after the grade school high school years at all our family's definitely weren't friendly. So I was surprised to hear that some of the daughters became a successful in their own right with how hard life they had grown up and how much Joe yelled at him. It was a tough environment for them to blossom in, but I'm glad that they did. Well. Seaming Joe's mugshot, and you know, his early court appearance. Have you seen the latest one to December one and how much weight he's lost? It's fascinating took him. Because I you know, he's now seventy three years old at the time that he was arrested. He was seventy two and you'll quite he looks really good for a seventy two year old. You know, he was still fit and strong. And now, he he definitely looks a lot older. Now that he's lost all that weight. I mean, this is speculation. But I'm not surprised he's losing weight. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to slowly kill himself just through normal life processes guy was wondering that is the, you know, I mean, some people say certain people would never commit suicide because they're not there to cowardly. However, you feel about it. It's a difficult topic. But what is your take on that you feel like he could go through with that? Yeah. Joe? I think Joe lived with those secrets for so long. And he was so embarrassed when everything came crowd, he was so certain that he would never get caught. And. He had everybody fooled for so long to have this all come crashing down on them. Like, you said now that he's seventy two and he has nothing lead. I mean, he has nothing left the house that he grew up in the neighborhood is all obviously doesn't want anything to do with them. I don't know how much family is trying to communicate with them now. And I wouldn't be surprised if he willingly just kind of faded out. Yeah. And then it's also, you know, he's not getting to work us that he used to. And he's not kind of getting the food that he was able to eat before. And you know, I'm sure they put him on a diet. You know, if calorie restrictions, and you know, when you're older, you gotta worry about heart disease, and all this other stuff in the doctors in the jails are like, well, you know, we control what you eat. So here's a low sodium two thousand calorie diet, I don't know. You know, they that alone will also have an impact or the food is just awful. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure prisons, not you know, emiss-. Rated restaurant or anything. But he I think it'd be the shame just so much. Shame from years of you thinking that you are smarter than everybody and rubbing it in people's faces, and so secure that you're never gonna get caught that when it finally happened. It was his entire life was just hiding those monstrosities. And now that they're all out in the open. It's like a UV light getting shown on bacteria where it just it'll take away its life force. If you've got a chance to talk to him. Do you have questions for you have anything to say to them? Yeah. The one thing I'd like to know is if he really did poison our dog our family love that dog. Her name is brandy. And if I could ask him anything and get a truthful answer would be whether or not he killed her dog. Well, I don't know if he'll ever talk. And like you said the question is even if he does what's the truth, right? So yeah, awesome. Listen, first of all. Thank you so much for coming onto the speaking with us sharing your insights into justifed, the Angelo. I mean, it must be so surreal to find out. A lifelong neighbor stands accused of being California's most prolific serial killer. So thank you for coming on and talking to us by your experience. Yeah. You're welcome. Thanks grant. Yeah. No problem. Help coming up next week. The theory of the vice alia ransack her before the identification and arrest of suspected Golden State killer Joseph Di Angelo law enforcement was divided over whether the vise alia ransacking crime spree was connected to the Golden State killer. Some believe it was and some believe it wasn't retired contra Costa county chief investigator, Paul holes originally believed, it was not, but publicly changed his mind about it and joins us again. Explain what convinced him. Well, also, welcome back unmasking killer. Supervising producer Todd Lindsey to discuss devise alien ransack crime spree and some of the evidence and Emo characteristics that pointed to the Golden State killer AM for more on the Golden State killer case, you can watch the complete unmasking killer documentary series on demand with CNN go and the entire companion podcast series, including these new episodes is also available at apple podcasts. Spotify over ever. You. Get your podcasts. I'm jokin soon. 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Origins Of A Killer - The Visalia Ransacker Is The Golden State Killer

Unmasking a Killer

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Origins Of A Killer - The Visalia Ransacker Is The Golden State Killer

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Vise alia ransacking crime spree started as a series of break ins and burglaries in nineteen seventy four escalated to the murder of clause nailing on September eleventh nineteen seventy five and culminated with the shooting of officer William McGowan on December tenth of that same year. Now, the theory got the Valia ransack was part of the Golden State killers. Numerous violent crimes was initially just that a theory some folks in law enforcement believed the ransack or to be connected in some tonight until the identification and arrest of Joseph Jamesy. Angelo, as he suspected Golden State killer and among his list of charged crimes is the murder of Claude smelling. So to talk about why law enforcement now believes the ransack or is. In fact, the early incarnation of the Golden State killer is someone who publicly changed his opinion on the matter. Retired contra Costa county chief investigator, Paul holes. Welcome back, sir, guys. How's it going? Good. So yeah, you were probably the most vocal within the Golden State killer task force at the ransack or series was not connected. You know, going back in time. What was kind of your main driving opinion on that? As I was a Sesing that the thing that stood out the most to me is by Elio ransack or was, you know, physically described as heavy rounded shoulders. You know, Vick through the hip sticker. The is short Pat fingers and the very early east area rapist attacks the victims who actually saw the east area rapist from head to toe, and you saw his entire of z described to mass slim at leading the NO add very different. And so I looked at that going that that really sounds like two different body types more so than some who just had lost weight. But also. The by Celia ransack are really wasn't very good. As a burglar he was sitting by multiple people. He struggled sometimes to break into houses. When if they didn't have the open window open door. He you see prime ARC's multiple locations around the house as he's struggling to get his, you know, make his way into the house, and these rapists, I mean, he became a ghost. I mean, this was where some people even thought the east area rapist has some sort of special ops training because he was so good at moving around and using the shadows. Where people never saw him or he was tactically sound approaching from one direction leading from a different direction. So I started to see this nyc Hotta me between the ransack and Easter rape is going. This sounds like two different offenders. Now. I never said they were not the same thing. I just I don't think they're the same. And that's that's an important thing. What I did is I focused my? My energies on the east area rapist because I knew that was the guy that ultimately blossomed into the Golden State killer who ended up down in southern California killing people. Right. And so it's really more. Also at the time just there's so many avenues to go down to you know, you you pick the divo- that you think will be most successful. But I think also it should be knowledge that there were a lot of other burglars, rapists and fetish burglars active in the Sacramento area at the time of the east area rapist, and you ran into a few of them as well that overlap, but didn't turn out to be too ear. Can you expand on that? Back as was another areas in California back in the nineteen seventies. It was just a hotbed for serial predators. And I know berry early on when east area rapist was packing. Sacramento was already investigating multiple other serial rapist of the early bird rapist, the woolly rapists that center as Wallis serial killers, such as you know, Richard Trenton chase who was active during that time as well. So those investigators were having to deal with multiple crimes occurring at the same time east areas was so early on his theories kinda got buried until a believe it was dick Shelby, Richard Shelby was the one. Who said this looks like we have another guy, you know, that's different than these other ones. You know? I know when I was investigating some of your early Sacramento cases. There is one case in particular that was on the official East Air, rapists and have been taken off and. You know, kept hitting up Sacramento S O saying what is going on here. Ultimately, I tracked down that victim and talk to her just a couple of years ago. And she told me well, her case have been solved, and it was a teenage boy in the area. And then I alternate -ly went to turned out, you know, as a guy that ended up dying, but he had been a sex registering for Roseville PD. And I went and looked at his file and in his file were the original police reports, and for that particular attack than I was looking at this teenage boy, basically told off or Smith I was trying to copy the east area rapist, and he did a good job. You know? So that was part of the concern is as well, what other cases are out there that you know, maybe somebody has copied and we've put him on the official list, or you have cases that these era rapists has committed, but they were different enough that they never made the official list because. Back in the day. They could only rely on 'em. Oh, they weren't. And and the vendor description, they didn't have DNA in order to help cases together. Right. And he's never left the fingerprint. So that also didn't help them. And I think it's also important to note that at the time in the seventies vilely PD did come up to Sacramento and talk to local Sacramento PD and sheriffs at the time. And even they were like, we don't know of these are related like this is, you know, we've got our hands full with the guy. We know we for sure have to chase. We can't also take on the soccer, and we read in you know, in terms of you have sack and by -serily investigators disagreeing with each other about the related or not. And it was the same thing with the current pass forces. You know, I was the one that was the most skeptical about them being related, and then other investigators were absolutely sure they were related, you know, it in many ways was a coin flip. I just happen to Jews tails and turned out it was heads. But. I think, you know, talking about the different looks now that just James Angelo has been identified as the suspected Golden State killer with the ransack or and East Air rape is sprees as part of that you look at his exit or police picture, and you're like, okay, I can kinda see the the chubbier heavier thicker thought is and all of that. And then you look at the famous, quote, unquote, Auburn, you know, paper fuzzball picture, and he looks tiny and skinny. It shows that he changed his physical appearance between the vice alia ransack or series and East Air rapist. And in my mind, the I'm looking at you know, this this as a very sophisticated individual. He knew he had been seen a bunch of times down in by salia. He's probably saw that composite of Isaiah ransack. And it was like that looks like me. And so when he got out of dodge moved up to Auburn PD not only was he putting that geographic distance between him and by salia. He was also changing his physical peers in order to be able to not look who hike the vice alia ransack, and he changed his MO. He learned he got better. So in my mind, I look back at the series. Now, knowing the Angelo is is the Golden State killer and the by ransacking Easter rape. I think the Angelo used by salia that was his learning grounds. And he corrected his mistakes from by salia and implemented those corrections as the east area rapist. Once he escalates to the rates can use some up. The reasons you believe now that the ransack or series is in fact, part of the Golden State killer crime spree at this point also Stansell, you know, when you look at Joseph Di Angelo when he's down there as an Exeter police officer, that's when by salia ransack or series of starting by salia ransack or series. Many of those burglaries are clustered around the college the Koya where the Angelo attended the police academy. So it's very much a million area to have we have the Angelo purchasing a gun down there in in that area at the time of the by Celia ransack or series going on and the. The visible appearance of the Angelo. As he looked as an Exeter police officer entirely matches the physical appearance of the vice alia ransack or so those circumstances aspects start really adding up in my mind. And then when you start looking at the behavioral characteristics of ransack or versus east area rapist, you know. There is overlap, and I all had always acknowledged behavioral overlap. I just didn't think it was distinct enough in the behavioral relapse to say they're one in same offender. But there is behavioral overlap, so it just became very obvious early on once we started looking at the Angelo that by salia ransack are was sort of the the the Biki innings of this whole series. Got it. Now, a what were your thoughts? When you heard that to Larry county DA was officially charging the Angelo with the only ransack crime that hadn't passed the statute of limitations, which was the murder of clots nailing. Why not? It was you know, that was great because I do believe that he is the one that that sought cards knowing I'm kind of curious to know, what kinds of evidence that they were able to maybe utilize right now, all I know is they circumstance connection, and I'm curious to find out if they were able to maybe pull some DNA from their case from the class. No in case to show as the answer or something else, which I don't have any inside information on and that's just where I've separated from the active investigation. And I won't know until you guys know, basically, but they have decent circumstantial case because of the Pat mono gun, right? I mean, the gun that was used to kill Klotz nailing was stolen from a known ransack crime scene. So at least with that gun. They can connect the murder to Durant Sacher. And then it's really than circumstantially setting up, the ransack or cases. Well, yeah. You know that is a an interesting aspect of from. Evidence standpoint, whether or not that circumstance would ever be admitted into the, you know, the murder trial of prods knowing that I think there'd be arguments from the defense has to relevancy along those lines, you know, and in many ways the class knowing homicide, stands alone. You don't have to prove the killer class. Knowing is by Celia, ransacked her true. Look, what makes such agreed investigator is always being open to changing your mind. When new evidence comes to light and all credit to you as soon as we talked on, April twenty fifth two thousand eighteen you said the goal is killer is the ransack her going back and forth with you on. This has been great now we'll have to find something else that the bait about. So. Thanks for being here. Paul my pleasure again. Thank you guys coming up next sun gazette owner and publisher Reggie Ellis and editor in chief Paul Myers return to share what they've uncovered about the vilely ransacking 's and why they to believe that the ransack or and the Golden State killer are one in the same. The cases we gotta find who wrote this note, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which close when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was telling the truth forensic files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. Reggie ellison. Paul Myers from the sun gazette in Exeter, California. Join us again to share some of what David covered about the Valia ransacking 's in their papers archives. Welcome back guys. Now, you didn't actually find much mention of the ran Secker in your archives? Why do you suppose that is just so, you know, the vice ransack had always been kind of a topic of conversation in the area, but not necessarily an exit where we're based out of because Exeter Vizquel, you might as well have been in two different counties in in the seventies. Even though there's not there's only seventeen miles between them back. Then that that's a significant drive. And there wasn't a lot of kind of cross communication going on between the two communities. So and to that I think that just release speaks about how involved he was and keeping up with how the investigation on the vice ransack was going. He must have been aware that this was. Very much hot. But in topic invi Celje well in being on the burglary task force. He probably would have had conversations with vice Celje officers and passing about, you know, techniques or what they're doing or what they're working on. He did have access to other officers and investigators at other agencies. We don't know how often he was running into those people. But I can't imagine he wouldn't have used that opportunity to glean some information from those conversations just to build on that I'm positive that. There is a type of duper delight that he had talking with other officers and vice Celje who are kind of commiserating over, you know, we were so close to catching him this time or, you know, oh, he just he just struck again. And it was you know, it was right down the street from where I was patrolling. So I'm sure that there was a level of enjoyment knowing that he was getting the better of the vice police department, but then Janua. Seventy six vise alia ransack composite gets released after McGowan shooting that officer Bill McGowan, you know, help create and when we look at Joseph Di Angelo's Exeter police picture, it's an awful close really close. Very much closer than than the east area. Rapist composite one hundred percent. And so so the thing is is that composite is obviously published in device alia times delta devise Elio newspaper, but never made his way to Exeter. We've talked about how the communities or so separated. But now when you have a vise alia police patrol chief coming in to become a your chief of police, and he's been staring at that composite for the last five months. I mean, that's got that's got to also be a little scary. I know one thing it's hard to think about, you know, in in the digital age in the information age, we live in where you can just kind of pull up photos of people all the time anywhere. You really do have to kind of take a step back in time and say like people in Exeter, probably never saw this composite of this person because he even back then and it's true today. We don't have a local television station where we have radio and TV that comes down from Fresno to cover events. So. Basically the composite spears with with the next day's newspaper. Exactly. And so it's out there. And then it's gone. And the, you know in viceroy, I'm sure it's ingrained in everyone's memory and another towns like, yeah. I heard about it. I guess I don't know. I think you make a good point. Because I if I'm just advise alia resident I'm probably not hanging it up in my kitchen and staring at that composite every day. And like you said if I throw out the newspaper, I don't really have a chance at seeing it again, it's just that the police department probably headed up in their offices. So that chief of police coming in. And then I think probably also the idea that, you know, maybe some of his buddies light officer McGowan might stop by to come and say hi and check out the chiefs new job. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the mcgown's were law enforcement family. There was also I believe the mcgowan's had a brother who work for the sheriff's department. So there is some talking kind of out of the public eye that goes on between officers and different jurisdictions at that. Time I'm much more formalized now. But at that time, you would had chatter like said kind of people commiserating about their jobs or just talking about. You know, hey, we started doing this new thing you guys try this bring it up to your chief or something. But you gotta think to is that like, I don't think that the line of communication between you know, officers and patrol or like management patrolman was necessarily that great. But I, but it's not as if they had Email, you know, whenever you get this Massey mail from chief saying, hey, if you see this guy with this mugshot, and you can pull it up on your smartphone. Whenever you think that you see somebody like men of those tools were available. So you really had nothing, but memory to go off of so say, the you see the composite, and let's say you see the Angelo within a twelve hour period. Are you really that? Sure. You know that it's the same guy. He's a police officer. So it it probably can't be, you know, I think that's the thing. Right. Because you you have a preconceived notion that police. Officer could never do this. So you're not even thinking about that composite. Probably when you see the Angelo. That's exactly right. That's even a preconceived notion. Among other officers, the officers are even saying in not saying, but there they would have said if you ask them like this be someone of law enforcement, even they would have said like, oh, there's just no way. Right, right. This never happened. Right. Well, Reggie Ellis Paul Myers from the sun gazette. Thank you for coming back share. What you've uncovered about them is alia ransacking 's as relates to suspect Joseph James Di Angelo and coming up Todd Lindsey, our partner in the unmasking killer documentary series, always believed that the vise Alier ransack and the Golden State killer were the same person. He explains why next. We have with us our partner in crime Todd linzie, thanks for having me back. Hey, thanks for bringing us the project in the first place. It's been an amazing journey. It has really has. So I remember when you first came and told us about this project, the Iran's project each area rails, the nickel soccer that never really got off the grill. You really horrible. Brad. I remember even in that first meeting you saying, I believe is alien ran soccer is connected. What made you believe it so much away back? When will it seemed when you look at the ransack or cases, it's like the perfect escalation in crimes, you know. He starts with these fetish burglaries, then proceeds to the home, invasion, rapes, and then the home invasion murder. So it seemed to fit perfectly in the crime sprays in you know, I was always the big thing is when the ransacking stop six months later the rape start in Sacramento. So it seemed like, you know, logically that the man had moved from by Celje area to the Sacramento area. And yeah, I was just convinced from early on that had to be the same guy. We were going through our show vise alia was still theory. This ransacking spree was by some believed to be connected, but with the arrest of just James Dangelo, it became more. Than a theory. And with the official indictment of just James liangelo with the homicide charge of Claude smelling, it really is law enforcement sending the signal to everybody that they say now, the vilely ransack absolutely in their mind is the east area. Rapist is your original night stalker. And then the Golden State killer so tie back is up a little bit. You have to ransack. He's out doing all these burglaries. How do we go from that to a murder? That's a good question. He clearly is getting a little bit bolder with his break ins has the series goes on. And we know the same night that clots knowing his murdered the ransack broke into another home nearby that was occupied. And the homeowner woke up and chased them out. I believe with a shotgun and the ransack had to leave so quickly. He left behind his bicycle in the guys yard bicycle was stolen. So they couldn't trace that too. So I get the feeling I know you share this. He's frustrated at that point any decides to go to one of his favorite prowling targets, which is the smelling home. He's clearly infatuated with the smelling daughter at that point to previous reports of him being there at least two. Yeah. We know that the professor chased off a prowler professor being clubs nettling Claude snowing. Chase off a prowler at some point a few weeks before his murder. And then there's another story about Beth going to the window and pulling open the blinds. And there's a guy unmasked I believe staring at her and he runs off. So there's there's at least two instances that we know of. And he seems to be obsessed with that. So he manages to get in the house that night. And you know, I know you have a theory also joke why he's there, but he could have been there. Maybe just to spy on them. You know, it's it's another step up in his esscalation. Now, he's in the house with the people sleeping. So I'm sure that's a level of excitement form also because he earlier ransack crimes were pretty much when no one was home. When no one was home. I mean, I can't find one where they were home while the ransack was there until that night, you know, the first break in so in we see this in the entire series. He decides to step up his actions, you know, little. Oh by little and so now, he's broken into a home where the families asleep. He goes into Beth's room. And you know, your guess is good minded. Did he wake up on purpose? Did he wake up on accident? And if it's an accident, he decides he's going to go with it and pull her out of the house, and I'm assuming for the sexual assaulter to get out because he knows if he leaves her right there she screams, and he might not have time to get away. Yeah. Although now you're dragging kidnap victim with you. So I don't know how quickly you can escape with somebody who doesn't want to go with you. It seems if you're only wishes to get out of that house and get away quickly. You just leave for their new run. So it seems like he's decided to up the ante and kidnap this lady. And of course, the dad wakes up, and but not not didn't seem to be a lot of planning on the ransacked part to if he takes her to sexual assault. He is not like he had a vehicle. There was going to do it in the front yard a mystery. Where was he taking her, and there is no apparent the nation as running out with her and then wide while I spoke to James Cummings, and he's the detective down on by Celje. And you know, he agreed with him. That was always a big question, Mark. Where was he going to take Beth he could have had a car on the other block? We don't know. And if we're going with the assumption that it's Dangelo, you know, he doesn't live too far away. Maybe he's gonna take her to the car and and drive to his house. Although we know he lived there with other people. So yeah. So it's we may never know where he planned to take her. We just know that he showed a lot of anger towards Claude snowing to wait in the backyard. You know, he could've left bath in the backyard, even when he hears claude's nailing yelling, you know, Adam and coming downstairs and ran away. But he sits there and waits for. Handful seconds until Claude comes out the back door and fires twice. Adam doesn't fire to scare him. He fires twice in the chest. It sounds like he wanted to kill him. Again. It's so weird that he would be that angry over being chased away. The same can be said with the majority's east area rapist crime straight. You know, he's being confronted there. He probably could have gotten away we know the east area rapist can get away jumping fences running fast. Athletic quickly. And yet in that instant, he says, no I'm going to kill these people. Right. So I mean, the majority case I feel like they got a good look at him without the mask, and he had already gone through that once with the shooting of McGowan, and he came close to being recognized because obviously the composite was very close to him. So maybe he decides I'm not gonna do that. Again, any mergers the couple so they can't give an eye scripture of him. I mean, I believe that's how that probably went down back to. I think it's important to understand why law enforcement feels comfortable charging with the Claude smelling homicide one as far as we know. And everything that we've been told there is no DNA in that case. There was no DNA left behind. So, you know, we knew that back when it happened in an all the year since there was no physical evidence that way, but what was this covered. At the time was that Claude smelling was killed with a weapon. Been a gun that had been stolen from Pat Manos house who interviewed for the show, and that ransacking where that gun was stolen fits the MO of the ransack perfect. It really does it kinda foreshadows a lot of the activity that the Golden State kill will use in his future crimes pet mono. Gotta threatening phone call, which is you know, right along with course. And again, the like you said the actions in Pat Manos house beside stealing the gun. You know, he went through his young daughters room was daughter's room and took costume jewelry and some photos of her. I think one was in a bathing suit. So we know that Pat mono was a victim of failure ransack or and then we know that Pat Manos gun was used to murder Claude smelling. So so I think what they have to prove is that the Angela was the ransack her which brings us to you have the ransack. Are connected to smelling, and the then also is very much connected to the attempt at homicide of officer mcallen, where officer McGowan in December of nineteen seventy five confronts Durant soccer. And we know that to be ransack because it was the exact MO of what he was doing. And where he was traveling and shot at so the ransack escapes, but McGowan is able to make a composite which at the time and for years people were like. Who knows this is? There was another suspect for many many years that people thought that must have been the guy that McGowan cornered that night who was chubby had high pitched voice. Some described him has being special needs and appearance. And there was a guy like that who lived in Celje, and I think had been caught peeping in somebody's window. So a lot of people thought maybe that's who again when cornered, but that wasn't the ransack. But I think now we know it was always the ransack or and that composite looks almost dead onto Dangelo at that time. Exactly anything. That's ultimately where you know, you have the movement pattern of Justice Dangelo living in vise Ailey in Exeter being part of the extra police department during ransacking and then leaving that moving up to the Sacramento area. Auburn in particular, you have that composite and then you have. The gun that was stolen from a ransacking that calling knowing and you see why law enforcement feels comfortable charging the homicide charge of quad smelling to Joseph James, Angela, exactly. But I think we should also now that we're talking about just James the Angela, and again, it should be said that he is awaiting trial. He is not entered a plea. He's innocent until proven guilty. And especially in these groups where there is no DNA. It's it's hard to say for one hundred percent sure on anything a law enforcement believes he is the man, and he is Durant soccer. So in looking at what Joseph diangelo was doing during his time invite salia, it's quite interesting. We know he went to police academy at the college of the sequoias. We always wonder did he run into Claude smelling or was that just a coincidence was a professor at the college of this Secaucus. But I think even more interesting is that most of the ransacking say all of the gangs are really in the area surrounding the college of this acquits. They really are. We mentioned Mawhinney high school in colleges Koi is there really those two schools are very close together and all the break ins or within that area. They're very focused. You know, the ransacked obviously felt comfortable in that neighborhood. Also interesting looking at the ransacking burglaries, you know, their fetish burglaries, but oftentimes they've been referred to somewhat sophisticated. I mean, he had little burglar alarms he would put on himself. Whether it was a little perfume bottle on a doorknob in the front door and Casey owners came home early. Get a warning he'd always leave a window open or some other elites on window and door. So he carries civic very specific multiple. Gape routes if somebody comes in the front door. So like, you mentioned the perfume bottle on the doorknob. So if somebody turns the doorknob the bottle breaks now, he's got two avenues of escape. So he takes that's he's closest to at that time. Clearly does not want to be caught. And is really thinking these through almost military way. It's more sophisticated than always just a high school kid rummaging through girls under her door. Then it looks like a high school kid romance machine through you have somebody going through the kitchens, and and sprain catchup all over the kitchen in manny's and dumping stuff out on the floor. And then like, you said taking underwear and throwing it around or leaving in a trail down the hallway in Pat Manos case that was his underwear that was left in a trail down the hallway things that you would think must be a high school kid or where somebody maybe outta high school. You would think very young. And I think he does that on purpose to throw people off to throw the. Estimators off. They're looking for somebody who's ten years younger than than the Angela the time for looking at the Angela during that time, we now know as reported in the Exeter, son, he is being trained in anti-burglar techniques. Yes, he's literally being paid by tax payer money to get better at being criminal right at breaking into homes. So he's learning the the latest security options for people to put in their homes, and he's learning how burglars feet those options. So he's learning how to break into a house and to your point. He's probably learning, you know, how to identify the kind of Pergola right sets. This looks like a high school kid. This looks like a, you know, a grown, man. This looks like someone looking for a TV. And so he if the Angela's infective ransack that knowledge could help him throw the sent exactly. And I think he does that exactly he makes it look like high school kid who's just breaking. Somebody's home and taking cheap stuff because he doesn't know any better, you know, an messing up the house because it's fun. But like you said there's an underlying current there where it's a lot darker than that that this is a fetish burglary. And there are several clues that he can't hide that point to that. I think, you know, going back to theory for a second the idea was that after the officer McGowan encounter or was really close to being caught. And then that composite comes out that he flees the area that the ransack or leaves the area and moves up to Sacramento has a couple of months there to get familiar, and then starts tacking in June of nineteen seventy six the east area rapist. However now that we're looking at Joseph, Jamesy Angelo as the accused by ransack or anti-syria rapist. We know he actually was still part of Exeter police department well through the first half of seventy six in fact in may of seventy six it makes. Paper that you know, he's getting his funds renewed to be part of this anti burglary task. He's promoted I believe in April two star gin. So so he actually stayed put which brings me to this question with the composite being as close of a matched his Exeter PD photograph, how come nobody put that together? Well, has you? Well, no, there's a couple reasons I think one that doesn't get talked about a lot is I think in the early seventies early to mid seventies. People aren't going to suspect a police officer. You know, something from the movies, it's not real life. I think especially back than coming out of the, you know, you're only a decade removed from the fifties where the police were revered as upstanding citizens, and I think even like Exeter son guys referred to exit or kind of like Mayberry, right? So you're not gonna think Indy grip. It is out. You know? I mean, just doesn't come up. And then I think a reason is the lack of sharing of the news between by salient Exeter. It's big news. And by salvia, it's not really big news and Exeter. That was really fascinating to me. Because as we mentioned, they're very close each other cities. And yet, none of the ransacking made it into the Exeter papered Claude smelling murder didn't make it into the paper. The the composite didn't make it into the paper. So really the only people extra who would have seen. A composite would have been, you know, a few of his co workers, and again, it was a small department. I wonder if the vice Elliott paper or or the Exeter paper of the time doesn't include all that. Because they think that people in Exeter will probably read the vice Elliott paper also. Yes. Either way, it's not big news and Exeter. So the cops would have had that composite, and they would've known I sell us looking for a man that looks like this. But again, you're not gonna suspect when your officers. That's a crazy story. I you know, if I could have spoken with sergeant McGowan before he passed and told him you're looking for a fellow officer from Exeter. He he probably wouldn't have believed me 'cause I'm sure if he had any inkling that it was somebody that he might have been in contact with previously. He would have spoken up. He clearly did not ever suspect Dangelo. We're not sure if he ever met Dangelo, right? We we don't know that. Yeah. But we know that if he had any suspicion that it was an author of the law. He would have spoken because he looked for this guy for decades. After the shooting. It's also very interesting. Because at the time sergeant von I believe McGowan and Simone people from vise alien made a trip to Sacramento once the east area rapist started attacking they're probably closer to seventy seven. You know, after these areas was made the news, obviously. And yet in Sacramento, they were like, nah, this can't be related. I mean in in Sacramento defense. Yes, they seem to quash that idea very quickly. Because it's in the paper that the vice Elliott PD are going up to Sacramento to exchange information in the surf's department up. There came out I think the next year a couple of later and said, we don't believe in a connection, I think mainly the composites look alike. So they look like you're dealing with two different people. And again, he's a burglar for the most part in a murder in by Celje. He goes straight to home invasion, rapes, which is, you know, a lot more serious in a burglary. So I think back then. When they just weren't aware of how these types of criminals would escalate their behavior, the word serial killer was not used back, then you know, Ted Bundy is still out and about I think he was arrested in seventy four. So, you know, he's kind of the first guy that that really caught the public Semaj nation. So they're not used as behavior we have all this knowledge because we've read you know, for decades now on on people like this. So we have all that to fall back on in the people at that time, especially law enforcement did not have that base of knowledge. So they they just didn't think that they were connected that seemed to be something from Hollywood. But now, we know about them profiling an escalating behavior, it's not something that was very new in seventy five. It's yes, remember this long before the internet long before it's so easy to share information. Like today, we have a photo of somebody pops up everybody sees it. By fast. Yeah. This was this was not the case. And it seems so foreign to those of us who are used to today's world. But it's not really a surprise that. Nobody really knew or saw his photo. Or remember anything? That's a good point. Because I think Exeter son guys brought that up as well. Where you know. Now, if we're like, oh, what did that composite? Look like, we could just Google it up right up on our phone, and we have a device, right? Hey, you didn't have a physical copy back. Then once it was in the paper, you on that paper got used to, you know, fill the birdcage like, I mean, you don't necessarily hold onto it or hang things up on the wall. You know communities were really insulated back, then it's amazing dispension vice alien Exeter didn't really know a lot about what was going on each other's towns. And then Sacramento Polly had no idea at never heard of the viceroy, Iran Secker and talking to Larry Crompton, the former the retired detective from contra Costa county, he said when the rapes. Started in contra Costa county, they had never heard of the east area rapist. So I mean, they're not far from Sacramento, and they were unaware of it. So, yeah, there's a it's amazing how much the internet and smarter technology has brought us together information wise, and it just wasn't the case back then. Well, I just wanna say I'm very glad dead. You and us were proven to be right. 'cause we walked into CNN and said, we believe the rain seconds connected. Right. And you know, and now there's an official charge with part of the Golden State killer crime spree that the cloud smelling, and therefore the resilience SaK is connected. So starts to be right. Isn't it? When you go out on a limb like that too. Because there is there was some evidence that they weren't connected. I mentioned the other suspect and there were a few other things. But most of it I thought pointed to the connection so well, wasn't it in twenty twelve the FBI done a new profile and the? Oh, filer had mentioned ransack or could be connected. And at that point money was spent on looking at every ransack or suspect and getting them DNA tested, including the person that you mention that was considered the prime vilely red Sacher suspect, they could never prove and all the ransack or suspects that were tested DNA were cleared for the east area rapist, and the original night stalker cases. And so it's interesting that with Joseph Jamesy Angelo being charged in this and his name never coming up in the east area rapist cases and never coming up. In the original night stalker cases, his name also never appeared in the ransacking case suspect in any part of this crime series. Not one part pretty incredible. And that's what DNA does for you. Right. I mean, pulls the suspect that nobody's ever come across before. And we're seeing that in a lot of the cases being solved. Now, you know, most of these spects were never on a list, and they never would have been identified. And we know who to think for using investigative genealogy to identify Joseph James, the Angelo who's been arrested and charged invocation of the Golden State killer, and that someone is Paul holes. So coming up next week an episode dedicated solely to retired contra Costa county chief investigator who devoted more than twenty years to search an identification of the Golden State killer all returns to talk about his life and law enforcement, some of the other high profile cases, he's worked over the course of his career and how a general interest in science. Let him down the forensic DNA path and nearly to the front door of Golden State killer suspect Joseph James, Di Angelo. 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Next Door To A Killer - Hiding In Plain Sight

Unmasking a Killer

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Next Door To A Killer - Hiding In Plain Sight

"Money sex drugs. Power kit back out, a jilted lover or motive for homicide new H and original series, follow stories from total trust to true crime. Vengeance killer lovers Sundays at eight on H L N. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of forcible eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash H. L N just of James, the Angelo is facing thirteen homicide charges and thirteen charges of kidnap with intend to rob in connection with the Golden State killer crime spree while law enforcement believes him to be responsible for the many rapes attributed to east area. Rapist spree g statute of limitations. They cannot file rape charges at the time of this recording. Joseph de ngelo has not yet entered a plea and is awaiting trial. Attacked all over California community was taken hostage Bertel homicides. One of the most prolific serial killers in the history of this state. If not in this nation. Launch the national campaign to help identify the Golden State killer. Though as no crime of the Golden State killer was the brutal murder of genetic cruise in may of nineteen eighty six since then it seems that he went dormant many speculated that he may have died or was incarcerated bites on April twenty four th twenty eighteen law enforcement arrested. The man they believe to be the Golden State killer after his DNA one hundred percent matched the scene and samples left at the crime scenes that man's name is Joseph James, the Angelo and from the late eighties to his arrest. Jodi, Angelo, lived a seemingly quiet life in the quiet neighborhood of citrus heights. Just east of Sacramento. One of his neighbors is our guest right now. Please welcome grants. Gorman I grant so let's start at the beginning. You grew up in the house behind the Angelo's in. What would you say is like your earliest memories somewhere in the eighty s definitely late eighties playing with his children? And what was? Neighborhood like at that time. It was a brand new development. I mean, the all the houses were built in the early eighties. And it was original owners and most of the houses a lot of kids new schools. It was an up and coming to belt -ment DeAnne Gelo kids because you were similar in age. Yeah. He had one daughter who was very close to my age. So I was friends with her. And that's how I got to know the family. It was the kind of neighborhood where kids would like hang out and play and do things you guys all sort of like tight like that. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Actually, Jodi, Angelo, lived the top of tall hill that was right in front of his driveway. And it was a lot of fun to take your bikes down take your three Wheeler down. So the front of his house could be a meat appoint for a lot of the kids. Most days where would be playing front of his house while. Yeah. Place for the kids in front of Joe's house. Why not well, you told us great stories for the show? And unfortunately, we didn't have time for all of them. But I would like free to tell the story about you would camp in the backyard. Some nights talk about that growing up. We had a train, but one of those large trampolines in our backyard that me, and my brother sister would take our sleeping bags out and warm summer nights. We'd sleep in the backyard on the trampoline, and we'd tell stories invite maybe cousins over and have little parties back there. And that was some of the first times that we got the here Joe having his arguments with himself or his ranson in his backyard. Those were the earliest memories, I have of Joe acting very strangely. Can you describe what that sounded like or what that was like what time it was? Yeah. Would go into the backyard early in the night seven or eight around time someone down in it'd be after midnight usually late in the. Joe would start making his rants, and we'd be there quietly whispering to ourselves. And all the sudden you'd hear these expletives these arguments going on over the fence you'd hear him for two or three minutes hatching out whatever you needed to hatch out and in his head. And if scared us when we were little, but we didn't understand what was really going on. I mean, we were too young to to probably take it seriously, and he'd he'd finish up whatever he was yelling about and go back into his house a half hour later in our later. He might be out doing it again. And it would it would go on throughout the night. How old were you at this time probably started, and we were eight or nine years old. Yeah. That's got to be weird. Eight or nine and living next door to that. You must you make sense. She didn't know what was going on. Why was he acting this way? No, not at all. And it was it might have scared us the first couple times it happened. But it wasn't out of the norm to hear him do it. So very quickly became kinda commonplace. And we joke about it my sister, and I would say that he had aliens living in his attic with say that. He was crazy. Joe are you know, with himself not taking it seriously just thinking that he was it was so normal to us. We were too close to the forest the trees. Wow. What'd you say? It was something that happened monthly or even weekly biweekly. Definitely. I mean, it was very common. Wow. E also mentioned this story where you saw Jodi Angelo in a rage, and it showed you what? True anger looked like an and tell us how that affected you. And and what what happened there? I mean, there's those moments in your life that kind of stick with you. And you're not sure why we all those very few memories from our? Young young childhood. But I remember specifically one time Joe Kat me looking into his backyard, and I don't know what he had been doing right before. But he came around the corner of his house really quickly and made direct contact with me. And in that moment, like the look he gave me I was terrified. I still vividly see like his his square kind of Brown. Faddish face like shaking, just bright red and his his dirty blond hair just like going back and forth kind of crazily. But not breaking I contact with me. And it really scared me still. Remember it? What did you do? Did you just run away ran away? I mean this guy lives next door to me. And I wasn't a troublemaker kid. I was just curious. Here's probably yelling right before. I was trying to see what he was mad at this time. And you don't expect to get a death. Look from your neighbor. Yeah. No kidding. So obviously as a kid you guys talk about. Maybe call them crazy job. Do you recall or or did your parents talk about how did the rest of the neighborhood kind of view him? Did they have the same reaction as the kids did or did he act differently with adults? We didn't talk a lot of the neighbors that he had living right behind him. We dealt with them because we shared that property line. You know, the neighbors that are on his street would be the more day to day neighbors that would probably have conversations about them, my parents stopped interacted with them when we were young just because they got some weird feelings when they invited Joe and his wife over to a birthday party of mine, and my brother's when we were seven or eight years old, and they wanted to be neighborly with the family Joe gave some sort of ibe where my parents just made a decision that they wouldn't be in inviting them over anymore. Wow. Did he come to the birthday party? Yeah. Him and his wife brought their children over to the party. Do you have any more details on what was weird about it? I don't think they did anything that was too over the top. Oh, my parents told me that him and his wife or arguing at the party, and Joe wasn't very sociable. But there's no one straw that broke the camel's back, right? Then it was just an overall feeling of uneasiness that made a made my parents not want to socio with the family anymore. And that was just the beginning of our families kind of not getting along we weren't feuding families by any means, but over the years enough incidents happened to where we knew not to go over to their house anymore. We knew not to see it with their family more. My parents didn't think it was safe. It wasn't like there were huge red flags. More like, oh, these are just really awkward conversations. And clearly there's stuff going on that household, and let's just keep to our own business. Exactly. No, huge red flags. That's it's looking back. You know with hindsight being twenty twenty that you see all those little those little red flags, and you wonder. How did I miss so many seemingly obvious clues now that something was really wrong over there? Well, you don't just assume that you're living next door to someone who's going to end up being alleged serial killers. That's completely understand at all. I got that question a lot. It's like did you ever soom? Did you ever think it was him? What are you talking about? Do you think your neighbors or serial killers or high profile criminals? I mean, of course, not it's so out of the norm, right? And actually shortly after that incident is that win Sharon moved out. She moved out in the early nineties. It would have been would have been very close to that probably the next year or two when she moved out he stayed. Yes. And you know, they're still technically married today. Even though they separated at the time, but the kids would still come over. Right. I mean, a lot of times people think oh parents divorce and the kids go with the mom. Did you feel like he's still wasn't active father participating and the kids would come over. Or what was your impression at the time? I would see the kids there. Yeah. He was still parenting to whatever degree. I couldn't tell you. But he wasn't an absent father after the the mon- moved out in the family kind of got split up. I would still see the kids there throughout grade school in high school years till we all moved away and as a kid, obviously, you have your own experience of your father. And then you see him with, you know, your friends as their father. Did you guys think of him as a father to your friends or was he just crazy Joe when I was growing up me and my siblings? I mean, the wool was we were so young and so naive that. I remember hearing Joe yelled, his family yellow this kids, and I thought to myself that it must have been something as kids did wrong. Maybe he got into an argument to with his wife. Maybe it was something that has wife. Did. I remember thinking that even though he was such a weird character. I gave him credit for being a father back then I didn't. Really see him as being a monster or being this radical? It was something that I grew up next door to like, I said my entire life. It was normal to me. So when I heard him yelling kids, I remember thinking like man, his daughters are so well behaved when when I see him, but they must go home and beheld razors because he's always yelling at him. And that seems to be a running theme. Right. You mentioned earlier, you know, he he had many angry outbursts. He seems like he was pretty loud and using my right and saying was using pretty foul language. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. And would you? I mean was he witty like did you have go-to word or did? He did he like pick on a certain person or group of people when he was ranting. If I could go back in time and really pay attention to what these rant specifically said that that's my one my one wish and this whole situation, you know, because I feel like there was a lot of things said that we just didn't give any credibility to and when one ear and right? Out the other. He wasn't a witty guy. It was kinda he was a diesel, you know, he's a diesel mechanic. And it was kind of the cursing that you would expect to hear and some sort of mechanic, shop blue collar sort of a rants, and he wasn't a genius. I mean, he was a he's a tinker and head systems set up. He was a very regimented, man. But I don't think he was some sort of criminal mastermind or anything. He was he never gave me that. Did he stay up most nice because you said you're out camping at night. And he would come out, you know. And you said he's pretty regimented. Did he seem like a guy who you know, was it was a night owl or early morning guy. Yeah. He was up at night a lot. He kept those hours. So I wouldn't see him in the morning lot. But at nighttime especially back in the nineties and early two thousands that seemed to where he would get a lot of his stuff done. Right. You also told a scary. Story of how Jodi Angelo intimidated, your mom, your mom, by the way, who had been aware of these areas in the seventies and had put extra locks on our gates at the time. Now, usually those locks had been ignored. And then one early morning. Joe scared her what what happened? My mom was doing yard work in our backyard here in sitter sites. And Joe was mad about something took it upon himself to get into his car and drive the full quarter mile half mile. It is to our driveway. Because even though we share that property line to get to his front door to our front door takes takes a little bit. But he drove himself all the way to our house. Let himself into our side gate walked around our whole property and met my mom who is by herself at our house in the backyard and just started screaming at her and they're not neighborly. I mean, this was probably ten years twelve years after the family stop talking, and it terrified my mom, and he was he just started laying into her about. I think he was mad, but it was too early to be doing yard work, and he's Cussing at her just got her to cry there in the backyard and. My mom thought about calling the police that day because she knew what happened wasn't normal. She's been living in in that property for over thirty years, and no one has ever let themself into the backyard into the house, and he did it with no regard. He he let himself in and was so comfortable back there. Yelling. Intimidating my mom that it really terrified her and knowing what you know. Now looking back, then I imagined even more terrifying. My. Yeah, my mom was by herself getting yelled at by the Golden State killer. I mean anything could have happened. And that's how close she was to be being a part of the story. It's really scary. It is. And I think part of what's also fascinating about that story is what you said just with no regard for anybody's personal property or personal space. He just walked right into that backyard. And it's a story that, you know, even some of your other neighbors of told how he would kind of show up in your backyard or show up on your property where most of us. Might you know, being the doorbell, and if no one opened, you know, leave he didn't seem to have that respect for other people's property. You're right. It wasn't 'til after he got arrested that some of us neighbors started talking about, you know, things that we might miss stories from over the years, and it wasn't uncommon for him to do just that let himself on other neighbors properties when he was in a rage felt that he was in titled to do so because of his anger. That's not the only scary moment. Grants family had with neighbor and suspected Golden State killer Joseph James de ngelo. The Angelo also left the family of very threatening voicemail. And grant shares that story next. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home, eggs, Xeni dot com. 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Speaking with grandpa, one of Joseph Di Angelo's longtime neighbors grant, you also told us on the unmasking killer documentary series about a threatening voicemail that Jodi Angelo left on your family's answering machine. Can you tell us what was happening where the Angelo Felton needs? Call and leave that message. It was a weird dog at the time who was barking and in the in the thirty years we lived in that house. Joe hates the neighborhood dogs and between him complaining about him face to face or he would even go the legal route and complained to the city and try to get the dogs taken away from different families on the block. He really went out of his way to to make life hard for dog owners for some reason, but our family got back from a weekend trip, and he left a an anonymous voice mail on our answering machine saying that if we didn't shut our dog up. He would bring a loaded death to the family and no name. No number anything after that. If that that was the entire message and my dad immediately recognized who it was and he walked right in the backyard and just started yelling at Joe's house took a step up on offense that we share and just started demanding satisfaction demanding for him to come out and have a conversation about what happened Joe came out and didn't walk up to the fence. His his back sliding doors probably fifty feet away from the property line. And that's where he stayed and they had a yelling match back and forth. A little Big Joe admitted that he was the one who left the answering machine message, and we need to do something about our dog. But my dad was already passed that part of the argument time his family had been Cretin felt that line had been crossed. You knew that this situation was dangerous. So at the end of that argument, both sides left. No fist thrown. But the the very next week. My dad built a brand new fence between our two houses but taller than before. And my daddy. Even saved that tape with the death read on it for years. Just in case something something happened. And do it could've been he's. Now, it was a short time after that. Right. That your your dog out sake. What do you think dog that we had with three or four years old and in the prime of its life and add nowhere. Yeah. It was that same year. Joe? Those death threats dog had started having these. But just uncontrollable lethargic. Couldn't get up. And was getting sick darva, get better. And then it will happen. Maybe it happened to three times. And we ended up having to put the dog down. The bet gave us a diagnosis of. Chemical imbalance possible or minimum balance. But looking back on it and talking to some of the neighbors, we're fairly certain that Joe had been poisoning some of the neighborhood dogs. And that we might have been a victim to that not known it. Knowing Judy Angela was arrested trying to steal dog Mays in nineteen seventy nine. I mean, I don't know what dog Mace could do to a dog or repeated use of it. But it can't be good can't be comfortable. And you know, it's also really interesting the whole him not really liking dogs because before there was an alleged Golden State killer before he was arrested. Everyone was speculating that he had some sort of power over dogs because dogs wouldn't by. So it's almost like you would expect him to be this master of dogs in the neighborhood all the dogs love him. But actually it sounds like he completely hated dogs. Yeah. He he was the opposite. He did not like dogs at all. And he he loved his children. But from the experience we had grown next to him. He also didn't like other people's children and. I think the power dynamic is what he really enjoyed of having things that he knew he could control with just blind anger like he could he could get mad at kids and they'd Obam. He'd get mad at dogs. They obey him. Yeah. There is also some some rumors of some other. You know, he didn't like the cats in his backyard or it wasn't just dogs. Right. It wasn't just dogs. He hated especially hated neighborhood cats because the he is like ten or fifteen feet of undeveloped property on his side of the fence that we share that in the thirty years. He's lived there. He's never done any anything with. It's just kind of dirt sparse weeds. He'd never wanted to put the money into fix it. But it became the perfect spot for the neighborhood cats use the bathroom, so I would. Yeah. I would hear him all the time complaining about this God damn cats and not more than a couple of times that would be the cause of some of his rants in the backyard. I mean little things would set him off and those rants, and it was raged coming out as the years went on your growing up. How would you describe the Angelo as a neighbor? I mean, he he seemed the pride himself on clean yard. But you told us he was known the beach. Cheap. Give us some more details. He he was a real common character in the neighborhood. So he was the kind of guy who was in his driveway all the time and you'd see him and wave and he'd always wave back. But that was the most interaction you wanted to have with them if a guy anything deeper where you had to have an actual conversation with them or had talked to him about money. Splitting costs and something. Then he he really became argumentative and not a fun person to be around. But as far as the the really scary stuff that he did we've lived next to him for a long time, and he's mellow. He's an old man now, and he still has anger in them. But it's not like it was back in in eighty eight or ninety eight he had a different fire in his belly back then and he caused more problems for the neighborhood back than than he has in the last fifteen years. So he was mellowing a bit. Yeah. He meld with age. I'm gonna had been hard to keep up that anger like he really. Ran in the red a lot. It's interesting though, how you know, you would think I mean, if the accusations are, correct. And this is what he did that, you know, you'd go hiding more. But as you said, he is kind of hiding in plain sight, if he's standing on his driveway waving everybody, and you know, kind of everybody knew him and saw him and new to kind of you know, knock it too close to him. But it wasn't like he's the guy that no one ever sees. No, not at all. You would see them all the time. He was so proud of his front yard and his house, and he you got to put a face to the property. So you knew he lived in there. He kept that house the same color as the original paint job. He never remodeled the front of house that house looks just like did when it was built back in the late seventies early eighties. I mean, the house was a big part of his who he identified himself as did you ever go inside the house? No, I can't imagine. Why? Goodness. Actually, his house though is the same floor plan as my house. So it's kind of weird walking by his house because it's the exact same house. And like I said, it's the original color that he kept it on the front, even though he painted the back half of his house, different color. But if I walked by his house, and it's a blast in the past where I see my house from thirty years ago. What it looked like then there's rumors that he's you know, out in his yard with scissors cutting his grass was he that meticulous about the front yard. Yeah. Well, the deal with the scissors was he has these three large boulders in his front yard that he has to around. And I think he was just too cheap to buy an Edger. So to get close to those. He would have to get down and his hands and knees and and use scissors around him. He's a strong guy, and he's he's very capable up till the day. He arrested him those rocks. He he pushed over on their side and kind of get the grass underneath it and push them back. So this the scissors store. Ori- isn't like he was out there like a crazy person trying to cut every blade of grass with a pair of scissors. This is a story just shows the care that he put into his yard for some reason he got lost in his house and doing his maintenance work that was his hobby. There's also on the if you're facing the house on the right hand side. There's this huge kind of structure like a shade structure that you see in the media coverage in the end, the photos and stuff. What is that in? How did that get to be there? I've talked about that with a couple of the other neighbors. None of us know one hundred percent what he was thinking when he put it up the best. We can come up with is shade structure to keep that half of the house cooler. It was a harebrained idea that none of us that ever seen it before. And none of us are really sure to this day what he was thinking when he put it up. It's a bit of an eyesore surprised the neighbor next door didn't have an issue with it. Well, if they did what they say anything oddly enough, the neighbors. Next door to him didn't have any run ins with Joe in the thirty years that they had lived. They still original homeowners next door, and I've talked to them a couple of times they didn't have a lot of problems with Joe. And I think the reason for that is actually the old lady who lives there. Her husband who isn't around anymore used to be good friends with Joe and Joe hasn't had that many good friends from what I understand in the thirty years. He's lived on the street and might have just been one or two people who can who he associated with on a friendly basis, but he was one of them interesting. And you also said that he he was trying to keep the house cool potentially with the shade structure. And that's why the Becca the house was painted a different color Dono. I that's the best. I could come up with. Yeah. The front of the house is paid in that original Brown and the back of a house is painted white right down the middle. Fifty fifty one color one color. The best. I could come up with. He was doing it to save a c- costs keep the house cooler. Yeah. Because the sun hits the back of his house, and then the side that has shaped structure for most of the day. So that would make sense why spend the extra money on the paint for the front, then purely. He really wanted the front still look as nice as. Yeah. That's what I think. I think he really wanted that house to look original. And that is that is not common on the street. And none of the houses have the original colors. They've all been remodeled there all these houses were built thirty years ago. They're all updated now, but Joe really like living in that early eighties. Looking house. What was your last sighting or interaction with him? I couldn't remember specifically. It was probably just one of these driving by his house and seeing him in his garage or. Might have been doing yard work and seen him in his backyard. I mean seeing him was so common that I couldn't really remember the last time that I specifically saw him. Right. And when you would see him, would you was the kind of thing where you would wave, and I use that a lot of people would wave to them or you just didn't you just didn't interact. I would definitely wave. I mean if in this neighborhood. This is a nice suburban neighborhood. And it's polite to wave to your neighbors. So you would always wave, and he's usually out there just in t shirt and jeans doing his thing. You said is pretty strong, right? Yeah. He was like a cartoon character where he wore the same kind of outfits all the time jeans and white undershirt, and he was very capable you'd see him on the block bicycling around still like I said he was doing all his own yard work. He was he had jet skis and his driveway. I don't think he owned the jet skis. But whatever friend let him borrow those. Or have regard him. He was he was out. Doing other things and not a decrepit old man and on the morning of April twenty fifth twenty eighteen grants, very active, very fit neighbor Joseph Di Angelo was arrested and charged with being the Golden State killer Grammy calls what that morning was like for him his family and the quiet citrus heights neighborhood where he grew up. On the morning of April twenty fifth two thousand eighteen what were you doing? And how did you find out that this neighbor of yours Joseph Jamesy? Angelo was being arrested in the case of the Golden State killer morning. I remember getting on the internet and finding out that the Golden State killer had been arrested, and it was in Sitra sites and immediately like that's interesting. I I lived in sitter sites most my life my mom's there, I gotta figure out where this guy lived in. Details are real hard to come by that morning for the first hour. So and then my phone started ringing, and it was my mom, and she told me that there's FBI and helicopters flying over our house than I needed to get over there. And I immediately put two and two together. And assume that one of our neighbors have been found out to be the Golden State killer. So without haste. I was over at my mom's house and walked right into my backyard across it stepped onto the fence that we share. And peaked over there's six B I agents in the backyard caution tape everywhere they were taking pictures of evidence in the backyard. It was madness. That's crazy. What a thing the wake up to you just in San. Yeah. I mean, it's it's like seeing your world turned upside down in a way. I mean, you're quiet little suburban nice neighborhood where everybody waves to everybody is home to one of most alleged one of the most notorious Syra killers of all time. Yeah. And our backyard has we have three other neighbors that we share property lines with on our backyard, but growing up his house was the most interesting one, obviously because of these stories, and that was the house that we would pay attention to the house that we would sneak peeks at or spy on a little bit and see what was going on over there. And in that moment things started falling into place. It was like the reason I was drawn to watching this house for the last thirty years. When I was growing up wasn't wasn't random choices. It was. Well, all those yelling all those yelling matches like all these heated arguments, all these fights. He had with himself really were red flags that I was picking up on and paying attention to. And then have it all kind of dawn on you in that moment. What happened? It's it changed my perspective on the home. I grew up in on my childhood. I mean all these memories I have now birthday parties easter's Christmases. They're all still great memories. But also now, I know one hundred fifty feet away from me was the Golden State killer all in all those childhood memories. What was that day? Like for your mom, my mom left town immediately. She took three or four days and didn't want to be around when she got back. She did an interview with the DA, and she doesn't like talking about. Joe a lot. Just because he really did scare her a couple times. And she was terrified of the Golden State killer growing up she always prided herself on being a safe person. And to know that you bought a house next one you invited him over he let himself into the backyard and threatened you. It was a lot process. Just surreal. That's a lot for me right now. And it didn't even happen to me. So I know it's hard to think about I mean. Yeah, it's your whole life has this character. And that you never suspected to be someone dangerous. What do you think? Now looking back. The fact that Joe retreated after that confrontation from the voice mail like have you talked to your father about this? Yeah. And what has he said what my dad remembers most about the argument this? He felt the line was crossed. And he he was out for blood. He wanted to fight Joey felt that his kids had been threatened his wife or the very minimum his his dog had been threatened. And my dad loves his dog. So he was ready to go. My dad was and he assumed that Joe would be too. And when he started yelling at him that day and realized Joe didn't wanna fight just made my dad and more angry that this guy would leave an anonymous death threat on his answering machine and not have the balls to come up. And actually, you know, do something about it. And that story has always been just a footnote in my life, but hindsight being twenty twenty now I know after that argument happened in my dad felt that he won and walked back into his house. I'm fairly certain that Joe walked in his house and just argued with himself for however long about if he could kill our family and get away with it or not or at very least kill my dad because I'm sure he was pissed off that day when when he got told off, and he probably went right into his house and was thinking man, can I get a? Away with this. I hate that guy so much embarrassed me in front of the neighborhood. It's a quiet neighborhood, and they were yelling top of their lungs at each other. So it was a spectacle. And my dad felt that he'd probably handled the situation. Well, and not know how wrong it could it could really gone. Yeah. It can't be easy for him. Now to realize that you know, he confronted who believes to be a Golden State killer and actually lived to tell about it. Yeah. I mean, it's probably a feather in your hat now. But at the time is it really worth doing it. I mean, twenty years later, you can kind of tell the story about you told off a serial killer. But if somebody told you that hey that guy over there is a serial killer. Do you wanna go pick a fight with them? No, no. Thank you, obviously. Not. And obviously as we said earlier, you don't know what you think, you know, about your neighbor. So it's one of those, you know, it's always so. Scary to think about even having that conversation or confrontation with your neighbor. Exactly. I mean when I was little I'd cut through Joe's property at hot my fence run through his backyard. Hop his fence, and I'd be out on the street in front of his house. And it would save me a five minute walk ten minute walk if I was going through my back streets, and at the time, I was just jump through my grumpy neighbor's backyard, not knowing that I was jumping through the Golden State killers backyard, and what he might have done if he found some stranger in his backyard. Unbelievable. And you know, I wanna ask you in light of all this have your perceptions of the world that changed in any way. My perceptions of the world. I do find myself, maybe more untrusting of people that I don't know. Very well, but I mean on a day to day my life hasn't changed. How I how I treat people hasn't changed. This was such a freak occurrence that you can't go through life expecting of had this happen. To you ever again. Most people will never have anything like this happen to them at all. So I think chock it up to life being crazy. And luckily, we all came out of it. Okay. Have you thought about his daughters at all in light of this? Yeah. I have that'll be a really interesting story to hear of what actually happened with them. Because they we didn't talk to them a lot after the grade school high school years at all our family's definitely weren't friendly. So I was surprised to hear that some of the daughters became a successful in their own right with how hard life they had grown up and how much Joe yelled at him. It was a tough environment for them to blossom in, but I'm glad that they did. Well. Seeming Joe's mugshot and his early court appearance. Have you seen the latest one to December one and how much weight he's lost? It's fascinating took him. Because I you know, he's now seventy three years old. And at the time that he was arrested. He was seventy two and you'll quite he looks really good for a seventy two year old right? You know, he was still fit and strong. And now, he he definitely looks a lot older now that he's lost all that weight. This is speculation. But I'm not surprised losing weight. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he's trying to slowly kill himself just through normal life processes guy was wondering that is he you know. I mean, some people say certain people would never commit suicide because they're not there to cowardly. However, you feel about it. It's a difficult topic. But what is your take on that you feel like he could go through with that? Yeah. Joe? I think Joe lived with those secrets for so long. And he was so embarrassed when everything came crowd, he was so certain that he would never get caught. And he had everybody fooled for so long to have this all come crashing down on them. Like, you said now that he's seventy two and he has nothing lead. I mean, he has nothing left the house that he grew up in the neighborhood is all obviously doesn't want anything to do with them. I don't know how much family is trying to communicate with them now. And I wouldn't be surprised if he willingly just kind of faded out. Yeah. And then it's also, you know, he's not getting to work us that he used to. And he's not kind of getting the food that he was able to eat before. And you know, I'm sure they put him on a diet. You know, if calorie restrictions, and you know, when you're older, you gotta worry about heart disease, and all this other stuff, and the doctors in the jails are like, well, you know, we control what you eat. So here's a low sodium two thousand calorie day diet. I don't know, you know, they that alone will also have an impact or the food is just awful. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure prisons, not you know, a Michelin rated restaurant or anything. But he I think it'd be the shame just so much. Shame from years of you thinking that you are smarter than everybody in rubbing it in people's faces, and so secure that you're never gonna get caught that when it finally happened. It was his entire life was just hiding those monstrosities. And now that they're all out in the open. It's like a UV light getting shown on. Bacteria were just it'll take away its life force, would you? If you got a chance to talk to him. Do you have questions for you have anything to say to them the one thing I'd like to know is if he really did poison our dog our family love that dog. Her name is brandy. And if I could ask them anything and get truthful answer, it would be whether or not he killed her dog. I don't know if he'll ever talk. And like you said, I don't think I think the question is even if he does what's the truth, right? So awesome. Well, listen, first of all thank you so much for coming onto the speaking with a sharing your insights into just if the Angelo I mean, it must be so surreal to find out a lifelong neighbor stands accused of being California's most prolific serial killer. So thank you for coming on and talking to us by your experience. Yeah. You're welcome. Thanks grant. Yeah. No problem. Glad I can help coming up next week the theory of the vice alia ransack her before the identification. Arrest of suspected Golden State killer Joseph de ngelo law enforcement was divided over whether the vice daily ransacking crime spree was connected to the Golden State killer, some belief it was and some believe it wasn't retired contra Costa county chief investigator, Paul holes originally believed it was not but publicly changed his mind about it and joins us again to explain what convinced him. Well, also, welcome back unmasking killer supervising producer Todd Lindsey to discuss devise alien ransack crime spree and some of the evidence and Emo characteristics that pointed to the Golden State killer. An for more on the Golden State killer case, you can watch the complete unmasking killer documentary series on demand with CNN go and the entire companion podcast series, including these new episodes is also available at apple podcasts. Spotify over ever you get your podcasts. I'm joked in soon, and I'm Biagio Messina. Thanks for listening.

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Jennifer Armour and Donna Jo Richmond Homicides & the Golden State Killer

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Jennifer Armour and Donna Jo Richmond Homicides & the Golden State Killer

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One of the prolific serial killers in the history of this state. If not in this nation. Lawrence the national campaign to help identify Golden State killer. In the aftermath of the arrest of Joseph James, Di Angelo as the suspected Golden State killer. There have been many cold cases mentioned as possibly being related to this crime spree to Larry county has to homicide cases that have been speculated as being devised salia ransack oh for years now and both have received a lot of attention lately. The Jennifer are more and Donna Richmond murders. Fifteen year old Jennifer are more disappeared on November fifteenth nineteen seventy four while hitchhiking high school football game. Her body was discovered days later in Uruguay shin canal. Her case remains open and unsolved fourteen year old Donna Jo Richmond disappeared on the summer. Twenty-sixth nineteen seventy five while riding her bike to her house near Exeter. Oskar Clifton was arrested convicted of her murder and sentenced to life in prison where he died in two thousand thirteen he always maintained his innocence. We're exploring both fascinating stories with. Sun gazette publisher, Reggie Ellis and editor in chief Paul Myers and unmasking killer supervising producer Todd Lindsey, we break down the evidence in each case as it relates to Valia ransack or suspect Joseph changed the Angelo's alleged criminal time line and discuss whether either homicide should be attributed to the Golden State killer. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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Join us again to share what they've uncovered about the Donna Richmond, and Jennifer or more murder cases. Nice to have you guys back. Let's start with Jennifer are more can you quickly? Tell us that story. Jennifer marquess has you you have a young vice Eliot girl who goes missing. And they find her body in one of our major irrigation canals between extra and would like and her hands are tied with her own bra. She's naked otherwise. But, unfortunately, she's in the water and she's in the water for I think about forty eight hours. So there isn't a lot of evidence on her crime. When by the time that they find her this case doesn't get a lot of attention Exeter again, because it's a vice alien missing persons case. And so they kind of treated. As a vice area. Shares department case exit doesn't really get involved in it. But last year the player Kenny sheriff's department, they have a cold case unit. And they started reopening this case, and they made an announcement last year that they they do believe that there's a possibility that Dangelo did commit that crime. And then he has been added to their list of suspects for the first time last year. It's very old case, right? She went missing I believe at seventy four. She was hitchhiking solo on her way to a local football game. And like, you said all the forensic evidence is pretty much been washed away, we covered this story briefly in digital episode that we did during the original episodes of unmasking killer. And at that time to Larry county sheriff's department mentioned that they believe they have, you know, suspects. But you know, it was hard to prove because there was no forensic evidence. It is interesting that now they've added de ngelo to debt list of suspects. But they had also asked for information in regards to this case on Oscar Clifton, which brings us the Donna Richmond case, so Paul why don't you tell us about Donna Richmond before? Before that one of the other suspects in the are more case is Oscar Clifton who then is the primary suspect if you will not be convicted. Yeah. And the done Juraj men case so done Richmond was sixteen years old. She was murdered the day after Christmas nineteen seventy five what the case explains is that she was writing home on her bike from a friend's house in Exeter, maybe on the outskirts at the at that time it was at that time. Yeah. And Oscar Clifton and his white Ford pickup truck saw her writing or bike and kidnapped her took her to an orange grove stricter of her clothes bludgeoned her choked her and stabbed her seventeen times and attempted to rape her. There wasn't any evidence of penetration. And the autopsy, but what? Prosecutors were able to find was semen on her pubic hair, which was part of the key evidence later on in two thousand eleven and now after appeals and review she her body was left face it down. And this orange grow for I think two days until somebody came by and found her I think the later on that day Oscar Clifton was arrested and the next in the following year. He was convicted conviction that he maintained that he was innocent up until the day. He died in prison. Right. He did. He did there were several like I said numerous heels over the course of his prison term. Yeah. I mean, there's there's so many interesting aspects surrounding not just the investigation the evidence. But also the prosecution of the case, you know, that said the Larry county DA's office put on a press release this month, stating their conviction review unit. Reexamined the case, and they concluded that the Angelo was cleared by DNA. China and that author Clifton was rightfully convicted. What do you think about that that that's right? There was really one Oscar Clifton supporter who said that. This is totally phony. You guys aren't looking at the at all the facts of the case a conspiracy theory that the district attorney's office his defense attorney and the sheriff's department all and community members all colluded to get Oscar Clifton convicted. Wow, convicted back in today. Or are we talking about there's a conspiracy theory by now they're sticking to the Oscar Clifton verdict. A back in the day the review units, they don't really look at the physical evidence that that remains in two thousand eighteen what they do the DA's conviction review unit. They look at the analysis of the evidence. And so when DeAngelis DNA became available. They tested against the DNA that was a from that. Pubic hair on Donna Richmond compared it to the analysis that was done on that exerted actually retests not done themselves. And they found that out of the the re DNA helix locations that was the partial profile that matched Oscar Clifton only two of those three locations on the helix itself, matched the Angelo. And you have to have all three you have to have three to be a suspect. You can't you can't have to. Now, there is a significant group of people who believe also Clifton to be wrongfully convicted. And they kind of wrote a statement to DA's report that that questioned a lot of things including saying that there was no semen found the review unit was basing this on faulty tests done back in the day has your research shown anything going either direction in this argument. Our research is gone to kind of prove the DA's office, right? In this case, and what we had found we've been in contact with other folks who have said that the partial DNA profile was illegitimate and so on and so forth and other types of investigative techniques. You know, as as much as I'd like to look into that as a journalist. The problem is that we don't have evidence that any of that is true. And when we've asked them for evidence to prove that they haven't provided anything either and we've gone to the courthouse here until every county to ask for all. The documents pertaining Oscar Clifton that we could get our hands on and quite frankly, they're just not available. They don't exist been purged when I say that. I mean, they've been purged for space reasons, but another key point to kind of close supporters. I mean, not that I'm not sympathetic to people thinking that family member friend was wrongfully convicted, but all of the courts that Clifton appeal to all turn down. The appeal. They wouldn't even take up the case. And in some cases, the judges in those cases said if we take up this new evidence, you're presenting it's going to look even worse for Oskar Clifton. So there's no reason for us to reopen this case and try it on appeal in your estimation. Based on what you know of both of these cases, do you feel either are connected to Derain Secker and potentially Jodi Angelo. I'm staying on the sidelines for the Jennifer armor case. However, the Donna Jo Richmond case, I am. I am convinced that it was Oscar Clifton until there's new evidence to say that it's not because nothing in that case speaks to any MO of Joseph Di Angelo. Because in this case when the when author Clifton his driving back he has done a Joe's close in his in his truck, and he's throwing them out the window on his way, home, you know, he left the body where people could. Find it. There's nothing in this case that makes me think that it was Dangelo. Well, and the MO and the Richmond case seems very hectic and scattered and kind of the strategic GS K type of murder, and then in the Jennifer Marquette, I think that it's easy to say it's easy to want to blame the Golden State killer on every unsolved crime in your community. Right. If you're one of these communities that has been affected by this person and fits in the time line, you just want to say like, oh, well, it's probably the k- like, well, okay. We can all say that. But that's still only one guy. And so the chances of that one guy being responsible for hundreds more cases is unlikely at best. Yeah. And also like to point out that in our conversation with Paul holes. He he very much was like look for years for those forty years investigators at least he says to the last twenty of those forty. Years and he was part of this team. The team was looking for other cases that could be connected because they thought look if we can find another case that we can link maybe he made a mistake in that case that allows us to identify him. Right. So so investigators looked for a long time to find other cases that fit this profile that fit this pattern it fit the details of the Golden State killer. And you know, they connected what they could. And and that's all they that they have. So there's always a chance, right? But there's another case out there that somehow makes it onto the Golden State killers list. But I think at this point law enforcement feels like they most likely have them. I would say, you know, in the Jennifer Omar case, I don't see anything that says it it absolutely wasn't de ngelo. So I think that that he is a very viable suspect. In that case in the sense that even if it doesn't match the IMO completely there may have been some sort of evolution going on with de ngelo at that time. And I think if there wasn't so much evidence against Oscar Clifton, you could kind of make that same case in the Donna Richmond case to that. Maybe he was figuring out. You know, what he wanted to do as a serial killer for lack of a better term. So I wouldn't rule him out for the Jennifer Armar case. But again, it's so easy to kind of the finger and say, well that one was GSK and that one was GS K and that one was GS K. I mean, it's probably not see it's hard for me to make the jump on are more simply because it's you know, it's first year of kind of the rand sackings again if Jodi Angelo. Was the ransack or you have that. And then you look at east area rapist, and he's really building himself up to get more violent and stronger. And and then even the first murders in Galiba, he wasn't able to go through with the sexual assault. Like, he he ended up just killing them. And you know, it's not really until you get to nineteen eighty with the Smiths that you're like, okay. This is you know, he's able to fully execute. You know, a fantasy, you know, as the Golden State killer kind of you know, that was kind of the full circle thing. So to almost have you know, what six years earlier to be able to suggest for our more murder. It's you know, you're kidnapping someone. You're putting them in your car. You're taking them somewhere. Like, there's a lot of risk every step of the way. And then to almost like, I guess lose that that excitement and to have to build yourself back up to having the I don't know the courage, or the whatever it takes it and commit those crimes again. I don't know. I'm having a little harder. Time seeing him jumped are more. And then kind of go back in time. So I've told her to this on numerous occasions now, and I'll repeat it is the only thing that cast doubt in my mind that he would have start. He would've started murdering while he was an Exeter is the I don't know what his intentions were with Beth's nailing. So when he was taking best nailing out of her out of her home and was confronted by Claude smelling. I don't know where he was taking her to. So I have a theory on that. Okay. That's a good theory. So okay bear with me here. I don't think. And again, I go against a lot of law enforcement on this. So, you know, we're all just theorizing here because until someone speaks, you know, we would never know. But in my mind, he'd been at the selling house several times, and I don't think the rand Secker getting committed most of the burglaries when no one was home. Right. So I think he'd been at this nailing of Hugh times, and he really think worked himself up to being in her room and just. Watching her sleep to be in the house while people were in the house. And I think what happened was he was probably there as I know when I go sneak in on my kids at night, you know, they kind of move and you're like, oh crap. Just woke among and and it turns out. No, they didn't. But you know for moment, you're like, oh, don't move. Don't make a noise. We don't wanna wake up in the middle of the night. And I think he panicked and probably put his hand over her mouth thinking. Oh, man, if she starts screaming, I'm screwed. And so now all of a sudden because the hand goes over her mouth, she does wake up, and it's like, oh my God. Here's a mass man with a hand over my mouth. And now he's like what do I do? I'm standing in a militants housing. My hand over her mouth. I gotta take her outside. If I let go my hand and run she starts screaming. And I don't know if I can get out. So I think he took her out as a way out as a hostage somewhat speaking. Right. And I think in the noise that was made obviously, the father wakes up confronts at the door, and he has no choice at that moment, you know, to to shoot. And we know either from cloud smelling as well as the majori that he doesn't mind shooting in self defense at this point, which is very different than a sexually motivated murders. So I agree with you. I don't it makes zero sense like go and take this girl. He didn't have a car ready. He didn't he got there on a bicycle like, where's he going to take her? I just don't think he was planning on taking her. I guess I would say that. I find it hard to believe it someone who had been so strategic before. And after would have made that kind of miscalculation. But I think you're right. I think maybe there was an evolution there. Whereas the first time he entered occupied home or heavily. I mean, everybody was home. It wasn't just it was the mother and the father the daughter and the whole it was a house full of people. And I think that point about kind of his thing. Think about it too. If you're doing if he was successful with Jennifer or more, right? And he was able to do that. And not be caught. Why would you go into best nowadays house in the middle of the night? When you have a whole family there. Why not just wait to pick up another girl on the way home? Exactly. And another thing. I'd say is the one thing that all the GS K crimes have in common. Whether they're ransacking or whatever is that. They all center around homes, so attacking two girls in the middle of nowhere out in the countryside. Doesn't match the IMO in any way, shape or form anybody if if the cake killed someone outside of their home because he ran into them leaving a home thank the majority's. Yes. So everything is centered around neighborhoods and being in a home. And it's all about, you know, a dwelling. And so a tacking these people out in orange grove just doesn't make any sort of sense to me when it comes to the Angelo, right and. So the mystery continues now whenever no and now, we'll never know. Maybe do you think DeAngelis will ever talk? No. I don't know. Why would I think that if his attorneys smart as a turning would say be quiet forever? And this is something observation I think this is what makes the case. So unique is that he is not the typical media hound that other serial killers are right. I mean, he if anything is the most secretive private and reclusive serial killer that we've ever come across. Because generally, they want some kind of credit after they've been caught they want to tell everyone about what they did. Yeah. There's no sense that he wants to have that recognition to be thought of in the same pantheon as zodiac and everybody he just exactly want anybody now. No, he is all about self preservation everything. He does is about getting away with it. And then enjoying the fact that got away with it. Taking credit but getting away with it profiler is also describe him as arrogant, and I and I think if you're you're very arrogant like high was able to get away with this to now be caught. I mean, if he gets harder to than go be like, you got me, you know, I think at at a certain point while if I don't say anything, you know, because technically doubt, right? And I guess technically if he dies in jail before he's convicted he's technically not the Golden State killer. And you know, what the fact that he doesn't want a lot of attention kind of speaks to how disciplined he is. Because I think that it takes a lot of disciplined in your mind to say, I did this. Nobody's going to know. And I need to be okay. With that. Thank you guys both so much this was super enlightening. And thank you for sharing everything, you know, great having you. Absolutely. Thank you for having this. We really appreciate your time unmasking killer supervising producer Todd Lindsey has also researched. The Jennifer are more in Donna Richmond homicides extensively with us. And he shares his thoughts about whether either could be the work of the Golden State killer if you love murder mysteries. Like, I do you're probably a big fan of Michael Conley? You know him as the best selling author behind the Harry, Bosch Rene Ballard novels. I've been reading stuff for years, and I was very excited to hear that he's returned to his roots as a journalist with. 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Also in an orange grove also orange grove, and what did we decide the distance between? I want to be quoted on this. But I don't know somewhere between one and two miles. It was a little over a mile. So a little over a mile so pretty close, but not that same ground. I wouldn't say that I it points to the same person being responsible because they're far enough apart where it could have been a coincidence. Correct. And there's some there's a big street that kind of separates there is he's area. So the way that we're talking about extra advice vice being so close in so I selected we can't really connect these two in any other sentenced than they were both founded in orange grove in orange grove in relatively close to each other. But not the same location. So we had done an extra kind of web sewed on the Jennifer are more case as part of our first five episodes, and when we spoke to Larry county sheriff's department because the body was found in not vise alia proper into Larry county sheriff's of the city limits. Right. So does sheriff's department is the agency that is in charge of that case they mentioned that there were some suspects. But no one could have approved someone had been put through a lie detector. Test and didn't pass. And so they were kind of waiting 'cause I this is only gonna get solved until someone cracks leave. They kind of have their group of suspects. But then not and so the Donna Jo Richman case, you know, she was on her way home from a friend's house and on her bike, and then didn't come home was later found an orange grove bike in one area. She was heavily beaten and stabbed her bike. And her books were found dumped in what's described has behind her house. So it's thought that the killer left her stuff there by her house, which she was found is somewhat the same area of town as to where she lived. No, I don't think so, but it's not far it's closer than let's vise alia. Right. Right. She was she was ready closer to home than she was in the orange grove has. We mentioned her house was not too far away. But I always did to you on a strange that the killer took her possessions and dump them near her house, which is strange. Jennifer are more still cold case, Donna Jo Richmond amend named also Clifton was charged and convicted and sent to prison for her murder. He has since died in prison up until his death. He always proclaimed innocence his family believes he's innocent. There are some lawyers out there who are working very hard on his estates behalf to try and prove his innocence. The point being that with both the Jennifer or more ended on Richmond being you know, one cold case in one questionable. Fiction case at the time that de ngelo was there does this apprise. You people think that they're connected. No. I thought they were connected when I first read about it just seems logical. And now that we know more about the Syra killers and how they operate. We know that they can dump several victims in one area because that's where they feel comfortable. So it made sense. And we always thought that the girls have been found much closer than they actually were. So once we learned the real information, I could now see that it. They definitely could have been done by separate people didn't have to be the same guy who murder both the women. So having really looked into both cases. And we did. And we've talked to a lot of people and did like rabbit hole. Deep dives into each of their arguments. Where do you stand on both of those cases now? Yeah, it's you know, I really haven't been convinced either way. Now, there's a lot of evidence against Clifton. But it's a lot of it is circumstance. All of it is right. There's no blood tests or DNA tests that connects them to that murder. You know, there was a time when I really thought that the Angela had to be responsible for Richmond's murder specifically, it just seemed like the timing. You know, it's a week or two after the shooting of sergeant McGowan, and it just seemed, and then it seemed to fit his pattern of trying to frame people or trying to throw the police off with leaving evidence at a scene that points another direction in this instance, Clinton's address book was left with Donna school books. So he became a suspect Amelie, I think they arrested in the same day. She was so it seemed to fit that pattern of leaving behind red herrings for the police to follow. Now. I've you know, they just released the results of very partial DNA test. So yeah. So what has just happened? Just a month ago is that Tillery county district attorney's office had their conviction review unit review, this conviction of Oscar Clifton, and in very detailed account said no de ngelo is definitely not responsible for the death of Donna Jo Richmond. And we one hundred percent belief that also Clifton is and that it was a a correct conviction given the evidence and given what you know. The jury has decided in less new information comes out, I think we have to go because they're right. I mean, that's where it points as of now, I think that the the concern that people have on the opposite side of that argument is that part of the argument that the DA's office is making is this DNA and the truth is that there's not much there. We don't know you know, what the procedures were in the seventies. When this all happened if it really reliable it's not like there's enough if with the evidence that there. Is you could never even take that DNA evidence to court today charts with? Yeah. So the Angelo doesn't match that tiny piece of DNA and Oscar Clifton does. So that's where we are with that. I mean, there's really nothing else. You can say all never know right now. It doesn't say that Oskar Clifton was definitely guilty because I understand that a large percentage of the white male population in the United States would also match those few markers. But it doesn't exclude him. And it does exclude the Angelo. I think you, and I were both kinda surprised when we saw that maybe me more than you. 'cause I was always wondering if Dangelo was responsible for that. And it kind of you know, you go over a lot of the information, and he talked to different people. And I kind of had set this has to be the ransack I should say this has to be the work of the ransack her. But now, I think the evidence is pointed that doesn't have to be the ransack or. I'm not saying it's definitively Oscar Clifton, but it's not the Angelo. I think is as a way to wrap it up for me. I think we're at a stalemate, and I don't I don't know if with everything that's currently out there. We can say one way or the other either on Donna Jo Richmond. And frankly on Jennifer are more case just there's nothing we were told there's really nothing to test. Her body was found in the canal. So it washed away a lot of the evidence. And has we pointed out in the weather. So that we did on the case the police there feel that it was the teen beer party gone wrong. That now at you. And I always thought it looked a little more sophisticated than that. Yeah. I mean, look, I don't know. I, you know, we don't have access to all the sauce has it is an open case. You know, there's freedom of information act only gets you so far. So we don't have that. If I had to bet I don't know if Mr. DeAngelis responsible for either of those simply, and I'm basing this purely. On you know, with him being charged within the ransack or and east area. Rapist Andy original night. Stalker. Crimes e you really do see that esscalation and to throw are more enrichment in it completely throws that off. I'm not saying it's not possible, right? Possible. Yeah. Just goes to show you that. There's a lot of. Crazy men. Murderers, running around in the seventy it was not a good time a small town like this. So now, we're talking about two killers the ransacked her and Oscar Clifton who was convicted of killing Donna Richmond. And it now we're talking about a third person who really is a party on wrong. We're right. But even if it's a party going wrong somebody in that killed her scenario three murders in a tiny town in the in by studying the seventies has we've spoken about in the past. He had multitude serial killers, working the California highways and freeways at that time. It just seems like an, of course, Ted Bundy was right? Above us in in Washington, Oregon, Colorado, murdering people I it just seemed like for whatever reason man, there was just an explosion of people being murdered, especially hitchhikers and raped and murdered. There's a lot of rapist going on in Sacramento. Even at the time of. East area radius the early bird rapist was another one. Yeah. People don't realize that the area was wasn't the only rape attacking Sacramento that time, which is kinda crazy. Right. Well, that's the thing. You know when you look at the seventies. It really makes you pre she ate how far law enforcement has come today because you couldn't get away with that day. Really? Yeah. I mean with all the surveillance cameras, and we've talked about this in the technology that people have it's much harder to get away with a series of crimes like that. You know, I it's always hard to maybe stop the first crime. But it's much easier to Denver that person after that first crime. So you stop them from having this ten year long, you know, killing spree, and I think that law enforcement in general, not just in the state, but in the United States are catching these guys much sooner in the Sears recognizing them for what they are which helps them zero suspect. So I know obviously with knowledge they've learned to react to these things much better. And the technology helps. Along in that. So it's a has we've talked about. I mean, they're solving cases left and right now with the jed match DNA genealogy end denting murder victims of the cell yesterday. Dente fide a mother and a child that they had no idea who they were and suze dented them. They know who killed them, you know, and he's in prison, by the way. So they knew where he was at least out there feeling. Repealing. Well, thank you so much. I can't believe the kind of rabbit holes. We went down just on devise alia theory alone and over the last couple of years and bringing it full circle and kind of coming to this has been really cool. I'm just glad that vice Ilya was included in the list of crimes that they're gonna charge. Angela with there were a lot of people victimized down there. Pat, Manos never forgotten about this. So it's great that people who are going to have some sort of Justice delivered after all these years. Not the Lisa which is best Nellie who lost her father that night and the stealing family. I'm sure it's it's been hard on them. You know, Claude sailings wife. I mean, his widow's must have been horrible for her. And she passed before they arrested a suspect. So unfortunately, never got to see that. But I hope bath is sleeping better at night. Now knowing that somebody's in jail for the murder for father. And you know, we can also better awesome. Thank. You. Thank you. Todd. Not at a suspect has been identified and arrested in case of the Golden State killer. It moves to the next phase the trial, Sacramento county district attorney and Maria Schubert, who's spearheading the prosecution of this incredibly complicated and enormous case joins us next week to speak to next steps in this process and will welcome Sacramento. Bee reporter Sam Stanton who's been covering the Golden State killer case in recently published a bombshell story about suspect Joseph James, Di Angelo, this is not his first time behind bars you'll hear what Sam discovered and what he's hearing about the upcoming trial. So listen and subscribe to the unmasking killer podcast at apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts and for more on the Golden State killer case, the complete unmasking killer documentary series is available on the man at CNN go. I'm Biagio Messina joke. Thanks for listening.

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Gary Russell JrOn Gervonta Davis: He Based His Whole Career Off Fighting Smaller Fighters

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Gary Russell JrOn Gervonta Davis: He Based His Whole Career Off Fighting Smaller Fighters

"Podcast is intended for mature audiences. The views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in anyway. Those are the podcast partners. Sponsors or affiliates enjoy. Hi this is michael buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready for boxing voice everyday hustle and bustle and hustle hustle and bustle hustle and bustle impossible hustle and bustle in every day muslim in every legal Morning the welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another more than addition with the bags voice. Radio to kruezel it's nine. Am on e. six pm on the west. Seven am central eighty no seventy mountain idiom central. What up what. Up follows mario. Do me was good. It's cold as hell and stuff takes. I bet it's colder here than it is over there right now. Isn't that ironic his four thirty four. How cody over there. Where we're in. The twenty sevens probably. Oh yeah thirties. It's early yakking. Keep that what is it this you got the number. It is officially twenty. Eight bent down degree. That's why you can talk. Gotta get that coffee hot tea. Whatever you got going get ready. We're about to talk some gary russell. Junior he's added he yaw the russell man the russell man saying that he could take out any of these cats why they run in. Dan almost believe him in. No i i you know. I gotta believe him but then again sometimes it's just like you know it looks like he's not but i don't know what do you mean. It looks like he's not worked with devon haney. You know there was the whole story about fighting them. I felt like pull this card and then and it didn't happen And hold his car and how exactly well you know. They told him that they were ready. They had the money right. You believed in utah is happening. I believe i believe them when they said that they had every day. You just you just you. Just a fickle. Boxing fan is the trip in man anytime. Like we've seen that with bob all the time. Now we crawford's fighting earl porter guys determine or broke. And then who is it brooks in haiti and haney was fighting. Gary or gamboa's we gotta date is either going to be gary auguin. Bow of gabby really wanted all. He gotta do agree. 'cause we got a date and it'll be gary auguin bow and who was it gamboa's stop plan man stop you. You woke up on the wrong side to to just crush. I'm just saying let's stop acting like will know box like no. You're right right. i mean you right. We'll stop gammy. Gary said they sent them a contract with no date no venue no broadcaster so gary said basically they wanted to put him in the contract and then go shop the fight to networks. You know what. I'm saying when you get a contract is not supposed to say do you. Fi- mario on january twenty knife. And you don't you don't know what tv no that's not how it works. It's not how it works. So so so. They made the play that they were ready. The things weren't ready ready. I'm not saying who was ready. Who wasn't ready what he wanted so he was. It wasn't according to one side. The contract dry in have everything it was it was. Gary is very clear in saying that it was a bogus contract you know. No he said that but listen. We're i'm from. You know we think one way. You can only talk so much each until somebody until something gotta happen. I'll say gary payton on take all that's exactly. Listen when it's gonna fucking say something to this guy that rolled like time and talking about tank for like three years easily easily talking for a little bit. That's also him. You know trying to trying to make it happen for himself. Man that's understandable but at some point you as a fighter gotta say you do really don't respect me has been three years. It's been three years. He can in front any camera and say whatever the funky one about ten tank nothing. Y'all you want me to read. These quotes To catch people up on the latest between gary russell and tank us I can do that real quick so this was an interview on the last stand. Podcast shot to the last dam podcasts. For of the show Schedule for january twenty. Second twenty second. That's gonna be a hot show for show. So this was an interview with gary russell and We'll just go through and talk about the context. So he says. And this is gary russell leo. Santa cruz was a smaller guy. That was beating tanks s if people want to be realistic about it. He was touching tank in my personal opinion. Leo one at least to be fair at least a clear. Four out of six rounds. That i had seen clear i'm talking. Crystal clear. tank was getting knots on his head and is everything man matchmakers and then he went on to say who cares about davis russell continued. He fought a leo. Santa who was originally a hundred and twenty two pounder realistically before that he moved up to one hundred and twenty six any thing. You became a champion at one. Twenty six but davis basis whole career on fighting office smaller. People smaller is everybody. He's fought has been moving up in weight. The other fighters don't have the skill set or the intellect of mind russell went on to say So yeah may he. He sees given zero credit state. Not only that. He's thought take was losing that fight. I got to read as well because you know again. I just don't really know that. I liked the energy like i. I don't understand why tank respond ever. This has been going on for a long long time. And he's never responded. I seen i seen gary russell doing a live. One time with gilead a kid talking crazy about tank you know. He's on all of youtube channels in interviews talking crazy about tank tank never response so russell calls out taint junior. Excuse me gabby russell junior out tank. And he says. I'm willing to fluctuate from one twenty six to one thirty and thirty five and if anybody got anything slick to say out their mouth in any way class. I'm willing to meet them halfway to now. We all know earlier last year or last year sometime You know. He was even willing allegedly fight. Terence crawford you know. I just tom for this due to be put in a fi and tested to see if this is all cap this saw chasing. And i quote you fought. You'd oak gum boa. But you won't fight a missed the gary russell junior. You sound like you making excuses. We would sell out anywhere in dc in maryland. In virginia matter of fact you pick the arena and everybody and their mother and grandmother will be there to witness me. Spank that ass. You know it and for me whether knows it gotta love. Whoa those are shots fired. All housing wait. Wait wait wait. Because i wanna down. Do you believe russell. When he says that this fight will sell out in. Dc in maryland or virginia one hundred percent one hundred percent one hundred percent. Do you believe that this would be a a fight that could get outside of those areas and still sell out. Could they go outside of dc maryland and virginia and sell out. Maybe not in certain places certain place. Pick a place Texas might be a tough sell. I'm gonna area. The land in austin dallas could do well san antonio might not do as great corpus used to be one of the best towns in go ahead. I'm sorry you didn't hear me. What about atlanta atlantic. Nick is good. That's good place and that could definitely sell out. That's probably on the top three best spots that it could sell out outside of the d. c. area. Obviously a dc kill it now look kill area in c. A great fight town people don't know that. Dc maryland area. That's a great town. I love that town but because of both of them being from maybe they wanna go neutral territory you know. I remember one time watching an interview. Where we're gary or tank. Said if i ever happened. It can't happen in the area because of fights. They think that you know the two cities are get into beefs shit. Yeah so they like. It might be better to take the vegas vegas. I was low key happening with zab. Danny that was low. Key stuff was popping off. I remember back then to between the little town. Yeah they were they were they were going at it i remember. I know the small contingency but you know ashes. After last week. Who knows how crazy landed that opened up. I don't know. I mean i don't know atlanta's all the way open but i'm pretty sure they are nine democratic senators now so lanta and new york city of new york opens up or too good locations for that fight. Yeah i just don't know why they would even wanna start. Well obviously because maybe dc maryland area won't have the ability to host it. But i think there's somewhere that they could find honestly. I think he could probably do pretty decent in florida. I know that might sound weird. It might not sell out. The way would in some other areas. We mentioned florida's slower where where in florida. I don't even know the last place for the had a decent size of that magnitude. And that's more my point is that you don't know kirsty a little bit. Maybe they show up but yeah you're right. There's a reason that they've stayed away from florida but by it got a good place five six thousand when he fall in what does it sun arena or something like that and Yeah sunday no. That was Dama forget what it's called and he didn't even have that good a b side right. I'm just saying do me. Man like winter semi going to call his bluff. One is legit offer that he can't turn down because of you know fine. Print i don't understand is like when we were talking to colbert last night. This is a big fight. Why does one look at gary as a big fight. I it's two things that could be happening either. One people don't like the way he no he comes at them and they just trying to ignore them or ice amount. He's really a or he's really dangerous in like is just not worth it to the teams too. I'm pretty sure jovanotti. Ben wanted to check it. But you know the powers that be abaya town. Just don't put on it then keep talking. What a what a what a what. We don't need that. We don't need to and i don't know if we don't need that is the right is the right thing to say. Yeah i get what you're saying though. It's the risk reward right. Because gary no matter what you say is a dangerous fighter who is very skilled. You might not have the power or the size going up. But at the end of the day he's still an incredibly talented fighter with amazing skill. Set that said that skill set is so high that when you compare it to his commercial appeal it doesn't match up as well. Yes he's a well known name within the boxing community but he doesn't have that crossover appeal that teo females had that orion garcia. Has you know what i'm saying. So at the end of the day he might just be too high risk to low reward for some guys which i understand but you know for me. It's you know as a fan. I don't give a shit like i don't care about that stuff. I wanna see good fights and to me. I was so surprised. I don't know if you heard colbert on. But he was like not very interested in that gary russell by and on the tip of like being scared or nothing like that but for him. It was just like a fight. He really didn't seem that interested in. And that's what i'm saying. What's what's the reality of this. Is you know a lot of people are saying. Not a lotta people but like some fighters say i know it's are you are you. Are you guys just telling us a real tail by by your responses that he is a great fighter that he is a dangerous fighter. And maybe just don't wanna do it like you know. The the people are going to start asking questions themselves. Just like nest posed the question that daylight. Why isn't anybody kitten on the hook. Why isn't anybody saying you know what i'm gonna shut this guy up. Nope no mine so seissan. He's really rapid running. Free saying what he wanted to say. And nobody's saying hey step into the ring then stepping gone and i thought they had him with thought they had them in there. But you know. The contract wasn't to his liking. I guess so. It just stopped there and let me tell you devon the. Gary fight was big for me. You know i get what they tried to do with the gamboa's fight you know it's like it's like take cambo and Do better than the last guy you know. Take gamboa and outperformed tank I don't know that it went that way. I know he feels that way because he feels like he pitched a shutout but people wanted the knockout tank. Gave them. If you're watching this on youtube don't forget the hit. That button helps with the visibility to show. We are talking. Gary russell junior on devante attain davis saying he based his whole career off of fighting smaller men. Which is ironic gentlemen brings me to the other because he would be a smaller man moving to one thirty two face tank but i think that's the thing i think that's what he's saying like. Oh you've been fighting nba. Small dudes move enough but now all of a sudden i'm too now all of a sudden you don't wanna fight this small. I say i think that's bad. I think it's like shotsie sending atom definitely shots and makes sense. I mean you go look at your vantera. I'm not gonna say that. Every guy was moving up. I mean I know that there's guys in there there. Obviously you know we're moving up and as of late. We we know about leo santa cruz but then you know you look at You rookies excuse. Me mrs calm gambler. You don't gamble and you see where he was coming from right. You know he. He came he came down from the lower weight classes. But you know. I gotta i gotta. How long was he fighting at one. Thirty five you know yet gamble was coming up from norway classes and early in his career. But you know he. He's fine at one thirty three one thirty thirty five for a long time so i. I don't know how much of an excuse that could be. You know but then you look at one has not now you look at francisco and you look at him and he was pretty much around the same the same way classes. He didn't climb up like right before he fought he Tank so it old. The liam walsh to i looked at because i was trying to look at it. And that's the guys that were actually popped out of the list of guys. He's farkas the some of the guys. I'm not familiar with but liam wash look at him. He was One thirty pretty much. You know the whole time so one thirty five. So what what. Which guys can we really i guess. Nail nail germont did it to the wall. Where you know 'cause these other guys. I can't really give them slack for that. Leo i can because you know the oh was fighting at those way classes a lot a lot earlier i guess but then again even santa cruz you look at him and then you look at how long he was fighting a at one thirty and then then you get your answer right. Then you're like okay. He came up he just came to. So that's the one. I'm going to give him the shift for wondered but i mean owner if he really believes that shit though like when leo is he just trolling him or does he really think we always up because like i thought leo had success for sure. We talked about that. Leo did look good in birds. And he puts them put a moments together in rounds. You know But i don't know. I don't think he was winning. Like he's gotta be trolling him And that's the part to me. Where like i feel like tank. I don't know take them at all. But from what i know of him. It's just surprising that he would let those things be said and not address it at all like not even to come out and say oh. You're talking about smoking. You small small potatoes new smallpox put you know what it is you know. You're paying attention to him. Disagree on dollar dollar bill. Y'all that's what we disagree on. Television is going to buy that fight. Showtime buys that s. What tank fights that is that fine secondly we already spoke about selling out in four cities. Washington dc major markets maryland or virginia and then atlanta we said atlanta. So you right. Keep bringing the dollar signs that does make sense. I don't understand why no one is making this fight. While i think the issue is exactly what do moose earlier that you look at a leo. Doubt fight makes money. It makes more money. It brings a an attention to a tank and it's also not like i mean leo's a great fighter and i give take all the credit in the world but there was never a point that i was realistically considering leo to be a winner. I can work so that that could be the risk reward thing right there and then you look at a guy like gary russell. I would have figured russell over tank. But i think that it's a much closer fight than leo well. Cj agrees with because he says gary that dangerous dangerous guy man can screw up the money bag. Check out the triangle right. That people don't like to. They don't like to play a beat c just because he beat be but gary was thoroughly beat by luma. Chanko who i guess now. Many people feel like tank stops loma but tank really never wanted low month. Exactly and how long ago was that fight by the way what area the one gary. Yeah gary and i was a long time ago. I was a long time ago bralow. They triumphed rona for that fight for five years ago ness full-fledged ebbing years ago and they still discredit gary for fighting and losing to one of the best in the world they brush it off the way they do groner suga. How no while i mean nationals. Brush it off. Obviously that's not what i mean but at the same time it's a listen. I don't think it's a loss that should be held over his head at this point but they are. That's what i'm saying. It's unfair seven years ago and it's like bra he'd been wanting every match for how many years and by the way was a majority decision if people didn't know when when judge had at one fourteen one fourteen and you know And and and then he came in with joseph di as you know what i mean and this is it's hard for joseph di as i felt like had made really Turned a pivotal point in his in his Ability right I feel like joe. Joe's a better fighter today. And i think gary caught him at a at a really crucial time where he was like really you know. Put it in. My man was undefeated at the time. To if i'm not mistaken gave him his first loss or really only loss So you know. That's that's one thing you could say in real quick. Lv sluggish says should gary gopher jo-jo ibf could entice tank Which goes to what we were seeing for. Like a rematch. I guess that could be. That could be dope Rock with that. Joe joe gary fight halley joe joe gary and then because it's like this right you go you get a ibf bell. If you're gary right. And you beat joseph. So you be joe joe you get that idea. And then you're much more enticing to avant whose time at one thirty seems like it's fleeting. You know because all the big fights are a division above so if you're going to keep them there for a fight you know you'd assume that it's gotta be you know a to unify and he's not gonna do it with. Miguel burchett in the wbz is not going to do it with jamal. Herring and the wb. Oh both top-ranked guys. You know what i'm saying so You find yourself in a position where You you take one of the belts and you put it you bring it to pbc event and the f. but i. I don't know how you how you make that. Joe joe dias fight right now though or even anytime soon you know. He's got his mandatory coming up plus he's From what i still considering the farmer rematch. So i do not even know what the last name could be but a- fighting his last name is rocky mov. I guess joe joe's famous gay raw rye rye rocky mafia. I think that's i. I'm pretty sure it's you and this guy white rock lake. Joe d is mandatory. Yeah you guys Undefeated just stood gary. Joe joe what do you think Does does it do well as something that gary should chase. Maybe point that you get a belt with ibm and you entice Devante more. Yeah i hear you. But he's a wbz champion. He's better off. Ibm champion gary. Russell he's battled vessel out at went. Yeah when petition to the wbz now the issue is that the wbz champion is on top rank. Side of things and the debbie. Oh champion is on its operating side of things and if you look at the ibm golden boy. you know. they're right now. Struggling you know bernard hopkins gave an interview over the weekend and he admitted that unlike some of the people that have been stone-faced about the Camello departure a golden boy. He was very honest and open. He said it hurts and it hurts just as much as people would think it would so they might be more willing to Make a fight on the other side so to speak. I think that was a big problem for kinetico to is is the unwillingness to work with You know certain sides in in in the fact that he didn't want to feel like he was tied up through promotional things. You know what i mean. So i think golden boy needs to really shed that Stigma as fast. They can swear as the small guys man. Just just wanna go back to to the small guys. I i'm gonna i'm just going to have to make it clear like i can't. I can't really give them slack. Only guy. I could give them life whereas recent leo santa cruz. So i don't know man. I think it's about the money. I think it's about the money and and and and when i hit the committee felt it was not just because i wondered how much it would do and other places and does it do money. I hit the coaching. You know because. I'm like he has his eyes on ryan. He has his eyes on the bigger paydays on. I'm pretty sure money may and his team they don't they don't they want him in position to make a lot of money. I don't know how they manipulate around the guy. That's been talking shit for the longest not ryan though because it hasn't been ryan the far and we've given him passes for not fighting gary like everybody's on the hills of earl right. 'cause crawford wants to fight earl and crawford is saying he wants to earl and people are like yo fight him urls like the easy row. I'm cleaning up my side of the street unsaid. So where's the same energy. This is all i'm saying you gotta do. Who's a champion call now another champion. There isn't a huge way difference. He's already fighting hundred and twenty six pounds ricardo nunez. He he was coming up from one fifteen few fights before he fought tanks. You know there's no issue in making this big fight. This is a big television fight. And it's a big is the best buy as if the biggest fight of his life like a toughest fight of his life. I don't know about all that. All i know is this. If it's not saying why. Can it be gary i mean. Excuse me if it's not ryan right if it's not ryan. Why can't it be gary. And that's not going to be ryan. Let's all be honest. It's not gonna be chris. Kober fills us happening. You know he's listen. He's with our hands. I exactly. I think exactly what he said. They understand the money does. Did they understand the money to send that. I told you before. It's a race is a race to loch ryan in its work. Because he's the is link but with the biggest fowler. Yeah but that's i think though because at the end of the day the fight only gets bigger. And i'm not saying that. We need to marinate him or anything like that. All i'm saying is the fight only gets bigger right as as time goes but also what happens is ryan conceivably gets better as the time goes you know colbert made that point yesterday right. He said that he thinks he learned a lot in that fight. And i think you had questioned the footwork right. And he had said that's ryan until he gets into a fight where he is made to understand. You know what what is foot work needs to be. Then he's not going to change that you know. And that was chris saying that and i agree with them. It's fights give you the experience that you take with you to the gym and people think it's the opposite doesn't work like that all the time. All the hawk caused that man be saying jamal android. Getting crawford's getting is gary not in that category. Can we not put him in there and start saying people. Avoid him why. Nobody wants to unify with gary. I like what the hell is wrong. You don't wanna fight him at twenty six. You don't wanna fight a matt thirty. it's a joke. If he says he wants to fight at forty seven and none of the thirty five pounders wanna fight. 'em only got one loss to arguably the pound for pound at the time right. That was like he never wanted to fight. A my man went as far as touching his father. Lille never wanted to fight him abner. What's going on i. I don't know. I think it's tom. We put gary in that boat. He's being avoided man like yacht. Can't be talking about on trade and charles and not talk about gary. Moore's it's not fair. How far does gabby go. Does he go all the way up to thirty five. But you don't think you can. But i think one thirty is maxed out. I remember doing interview with him on the show like years ago. Any he questioned whether he'd ever get higher than one twenty six man. He said he willing to fight tank at thirty five. So maga- make i know. He was out lanes calling out. He was on social media saying he weighed thirty five. I was going to take on the show but you know he. He suffered a loss in his family. One of his brothers passed and condolences. Raise we just given them. Tom but you know he were still come on in in our laddis. That's that's what thirty okay. I'm gary we care about guarantees more popular than than liam smith callum smith craig richards billing smith all them smith is and all we got and way more accomplished so we care about him fuck out. Smith's like yo s moon yours on the super chat this morning says don't gary and tevin fight the has speed versus the head movement. I think it's a match which listen i liked. Listen i was a fantastic fight. And this is what i mean about gary like we we keep back in. The dude got shot not to his shooting. Gary said i'll fight seven when seven had the belt. Seven is the one that loss. Gary said i might the move up and fight seven seven. Been talking about. He could beat me and he wants me to fight him because they find him. So i'm to move up but seven laws. Okay they both. They both wanted to fight each other. But now it doesn't make sense for gary to drop his belt from one twenty six thirty to seven. Who don't have a belt. Ken kenzo loma ma. The only one not scared of gary russell junior well well yeah No he was right bro. Listen 'cause 'cause necessarily hit it on the head. He you know he talked about leo and after like at a time that was the division you know if you wanted the bigger fights the biggest fights that was you know those were the biggest fights and you know. They were never anywhere to be seen with gary. You know i it took it took. It took a mexican On the opposite side of the street to fight this guy. You know what i'm saying like i'm opposite side of the street and so I don't know what the gary is hasn't gotten the fight Andy matches so well like i went to the ranking spades. Right and that's the boxy voice. Dot com baxter or four slash rankings. You can go to our website and view the rankings and they are complete we have all four major belts plus the ring in every of division so definitely check that out. And i'm and i'm looking at one thirty and i'm looking at one twenty six and it's like i'm gary matches well with so many but i would love to see the djamil herring fight. What i'm saying. I would love to see a gary fight the winner birch valdez. I would love to see gary stevenson. What chicago for But that might not be obviously realistic. But all i'm saying is gary matches well matches very well real quick superjet. Jack smith devin haney called his bluff. His whole team called his bluff. I'm from the dmv he made in pg county look bad they young boy punktem. I don't agree. I don't know it. Went down unto. Gary comes out and said that the The contract had a date had a venue had a broadcaster. Those are all the things that he said. It was lacking so again. you know. it's just sad when these people that never have done business and they live they just receive a check. You know you wanna w two you'll know none about ten ninety nine none of by no llc corpse you saying you tell people what the fuck the do how to hell sign yourself. Look at look at paul chris lovejoy. That's why he ain't gonna fight. Yeah he could have had the dave allen fi but he signed himself to a contract with don king when no dates and vendor focus. Throw with this guy. Gary supposed to sign a date a fight with no date and venue come on. Let's just the mantis more jam lawn and morning morning into the whole panama morning. To the whole tb morning family man. Thanks to my lord and savior for another one. Because what. I am not as possible. What's going on fellas so we kick in it. You are good champion up the little one start to school with wife. She's just little. She needed help. So let's go chant all it all the world's changed and the world the world exchange. Here's your kids. This age is growing up real. Different man madison. I saw this post. Y'all i felt so bad. I sent it to my family right so we have a group chat. Y'all my knee started crying. I felt so bad. You know that part in dumb and dumber when he's reading the newspaper and he's like well hostile and at the top. The said How kids that were home. Schooled through nineteen twenty twenty one career. Obviously it's a joke and you know what i mean. But she took it really hard. I was like oh why are you crying. Like grow up nas playing but again. It's it's tough out there for these kids bro. For real You'll real quick l. Slugger had no eight. Oh no had a super chat said leonard elderly leonard l'herbe said it a thousand percent chance tank fights one of the top at one thirty five in twenty twenty. One ryan is my guess most green and big money fight Look at twenty twenty one. He gets one of the other three fighters possibly just not next. I don't think it's next. I think definitely now ryan. I know without like i have decent information. I would say it's credible for sure. But i think they're going somewhere else. Who ryan adam aguirre says. I don't think davis is the best at one thirty five. But why is russell bitching about other boxers. Gary only fights once a year heaton go away. Yeah you only fight once a year because nobody given those shots and he's a champion. I'm alone. I don't know i sort of guys i was gonna say earlier to like everybody. Forget got a belt like why nobody. Well there's no up to form at one thirty with bbc though. I just don't want to ruin relationships man but like is sad that that people acting like he ain't got a bello people glasses. I forgot about that role right. Range active all along the rain is he really. The opposite wildly was listen to me all these things. They call week after week day after day and got the same energy. Oh why can nello dozen unify. Why didn't he fight this guy before he left that division south. Why earl don't want that bell. He told them get a bell. So now gary belt. They literally in the chat paying to say or saying free. Gary go away. We don't care about. Gary allegedly. Like i i'll get it like if you were mad. Aguirre early on when he was getting those six round fights. Hbo on slide. I get that upset at that time by gary's done a lot and and and i get it i somebody in the chad that earlier. I don't remember who it was. But they said something like was last time. You've been excited for a gary russell fight and you know i think that goes to the. I think that goes to the notion that he hasn't been able to get in there with the abner modest. Leo santa cruz of the world. You know my man for some hard luck guys you know. He fought loma chanko right. He fought johnny. Gonzalez's like yeah. It was two thousand fifteen. But johnny gonzales has always been guy always seemed to be able to turn back the hands. A time. You know joe joe. Tia's i was very excited for that. I mean my my my entire family. I remember you know was was up for that fight. Barbecued everything we treat it like. It was a big time fight because it was. I think the undercard was really good. So if if mistaken. Yeah look gary russell. I'm pretty sure he's trying to get the fights that are obviously going to be big fights and he's going for the guys where he could Definitely make make make make more money. But i mean what happens if these guys don't you know don't don't take it you know. Don't fight the bay or whatever you wanna call it right. Well where where can he go. I mean you're off your off to the side dude. You're not fighting like if these guys ain't by and scared or whatever you wanna call it like you gotta fight. Somebody like who phrase something he said just to piggyback off your your comment you statement. You just made which is perfect. Segue right into it. I'm a paraphrase. Don't wanna say word toward a mess of ways at pretty much saying like i have to keep my title. Because if they don't wanna fight me with a title i gotta keep leverage these guys going to try to sell me a you trying to me a widow. Taty imagine if i didn't have montanaro. Boy i gotta keep trying to handicap. He's talking lose my title. You know what i'm saying on some bullshit ways so that they can really stall meow because they don't wanna fight me. I gotta keep my title. Would you think about that thing is why does imbaba offer phenomenon. Ed you know to unifil or did not let them move up already. What's up with warren. Hutton upper edge. Moved up right so warrants. You've unify of that moved up and won the title. That shakoor gave up now that it is the current. Wb wbo f. featherweight. Listen these promoters rather set. They guys up to be multiple division champs rather than unified chance. Don't have to cross promote so that they don't have to deal with a gabby russell chicago to unify with gary. He was chasing josh warrenton. He was chasing josh warranty. Yup was wrong. Absolutely right. Gary and this is all i'm saying like nobody want to gary smoke webbing. Leo's belt at one twenty six because he moved up to one thirty and fought for tank bell and then he defended it in loss. You know think about this may be your daddy to try to get his shot at lille man. He demanded every you could try to get leo man. Boxing fans say oh You know he only fight once a year like how much more to do. Gotta do why everybody on on on on charl and andre back like what are they doing. The gary is not i in fact. Let's compare it. Isn't gary dorm with boxing. Fans acts isn't he talking demotion isn't he calling out people. Ain't that which. I want charlton andrea do. I'm i'm just. I woke up like oh wha is a gary. The most feared man in boxing. Say well why isn't he getting headlines to say the most avoided fighter. He not the newest landry lower. My confused no comment yeah I think it's definitely he's Listen and i'll just like try to play the other side for a second like maybe those people like you said earlier that still hold that loma loss over his head or like he had a shy he missed it in a which is such a flawed way of thinking. If that's because you're right people still hold that over his head. It was so long ago like these have look at seven farmer. You know what. I'm saying like farmers. The perfect example of what a fighter can do with time time and effort and the will. You know to be better to to grow you. Know what i mean. Like all fighters in all athletes have the ability to grow. You know what i'm saying. Now maybe you reach a point where you can't get any faster or you can't get any stronger really You know maybe that day does come but you can always grow you know. The problem is is that fighters they get into a mode where you know. They want to do things their way. I was watching the ward Legendary nights the other day. And i completely forgot that ward had taken over. For god's straighter you know being after he left Mcgary buddy and so. I'm watching it. He said it perfectly gaudy. I'm not gonna teach them how to throw the like at this point. He is who he is. And that's what happens with fighters but it just doesn't have to be though and gary i think is better from the launch. Fight the funding these at irbil saying No gary's sending in an offer to this person to that person it offers but they don't wanna fight. It's a double edged sword because if you find somebody that nobody we denote again. But like your gary fights once a year. And he's fighting. Bombs wants to fight him. He sent an offer. You offers all day long. it's about accepting of offers. The opportunity man jump to three divisions to try to find somebody because nobody in the other divisions wanna fight him in that crazy to you you wanted to fuck ain't no fucking bums at one thirty one thirty one fight him as crazy man. That's crazy. they really. You know what i'm saying. They want to gary smart man. You gotta team. You know what i'm saying. He got his lawyers and stuff to make sure that he not getting not getting dragged through the mud just to make a fight he got a family to take care of me. You gotta career legacy man that gets a lot. That goes into boxing that you know i'm lost man like a really complex ignorant right but like he's a he's a champ the champ at the one hundred twenty six pound division each chasing these guys at the highway classes right the only guy that i saw him chasing as late that was in his class was leo right so why does any. Why am i not hearing like Him talk about more about the guys in his division. And maybe trying to get another belt or something like like who know. I marry you mentioned about at warrenton. Any of the guys at the top that are chanted division. We just talked about that in he if he didn't wanna fight a call he ain't finding gary Yeah i mean. Gary is more stat. Gary is the longest chairman that division in nobody. Nobody calls him out warrants. Like he's not doing like what what. I'm just trying to like one or two more belt and maybe guys list. I pay attention. I don't know chance tough question. One or two more belts from who. They don't want to unify with him. Sort of say that. But at this point i haven't heard them say anything about it. That's the only division. Wbz don't matter for about listen. I think you're right. I think though doing like listen. Gary thirty two years old. He's been fighting for a long long time if you remember he was fighting on. Hbo when hbo was still at the top of the game right. He was getting his six. Rounder eight rounders right. People were all mad about that. He was like the co main event sometimes for boxing after dark fighting a six seven eight round or whatever and i think that he is reached a point in his career. He does want the big money. Fights tank represents that big money fight so it's not that i think he's in a situation where he wouldn't wanna unifier he wouldn't fight. You know the nevada of the world or whatever. But i think that he's positioned himself where he's trying to play this chess game. He's trying to make those quick moves because he does think that he can beat these guys and he does want that big money. And how much longer does he have to. Does he in this sport. A guy who's had hand issues you know. He's had a multiple injuries throughout his career at thirty two years old. The clock is ticking. If he doesn't if he doesn't start putting the pressure on a tank fight or someone of that nature now you know then then he does it later and it takes even longer arab saying tennis to people saying warranty offers together russell. Okay this is right. Warrenton set an offer what chicagoan and went in. And of course. I go anymore money any more money to fight you for about. He got me more money. So what you think you think that it. They an offer josh wanted to offer. The garin. ain't where it's supposed to be just supposed to take the fight mind. Usa call was willing to go to warrenton's home town leads not just to the uk leads well. That fight was almost done and take. Yeah that's right for quarantine eddie her. Because you think gonna fight. Gary and what do you want. Don't peanuts defy. Gary come on by the way by the way when we had frank warren he made it. I wouldn't say crystal clear but he definitely was like yo that was suspect hell with with warranties. Are there there's people that have told me What happened behind the scenes with that In in painted the picture that it wasn't like a duck or anything like that it was like a warrington almost in a situation where he was forced to do it. And i can't really remember the specifics but i do remember somebody telling me the story but even so like you know frank. Warren was buying the like he was the scenes. You know what i'm saying. So obviously like he would know. And you'll carry us thirty two. And and you know i. I can understand you know he. He wants to pay days. And all that stuff. Like i'm gary hasn't really taken too much of a beaten man and like nobody touching gary. You know he. He got one hundred sixty rounds as a pro. A hundred and sixty rounds. That's a little bit. Gary me let me ask the question where can fights as an amateur right was wanted to turn perla me. Ask you a question. You gotta you gotta team in case somebody sends you a contract right you sanity. Eloy lawyer said this contract. Would you gonna do go over your head and signed a deal. Are you going to listen to your lawyer. That's what francis. They want him to take short money to take risk. He's a hell lot hat learn career. He shared the ring with loma shaneco. Like what is he over. Here you know. Taken during the floyd mayweather oscar de la. Hoya move like he's beyond that. I'm not saying he's bigger than that. If you were to do it. I would applaud But i don't think he should have to put himself in a situation where he's taking short money to get these fights like i. I don't know i mean i get that. He's not the name that these other guys are. But he's a credible fo- been around a long time. He's got a belt for christ's sakes like. I don't know i don't get it. I don't did it. Common opponent with new. I don't get i don't get it breath with somebody that don't want to unify with you. If you can't unify what yourself you gotta unify with the champ. That one unified so hard to understand that. So simple you gotta you gotta unify. I wanna unify. Which you they gotta have the same mindset and all these other guys. I've seen different Promotion but like the. Gary shouldn't have any trouble right trying to reach out and get fights out of the pvc exactly especially on the pvc circle. And i don't think that al would but you know kind of restrict him right and and trying to get other fights outside of the. Pbc if you know if he had his blessing eat. The man needs to fight fight. The man needs a fighting. Needs a good one man. We don't want to see him in there with just any old bloke. We want to see him in there with some competitive guys. Dagley exactly So we do a super chad from no eight. I read this one. I don cigarroa. Yeah you read. That was the last one right. A coach myers cape through so coach mark charleoi and dried moved up and won belts. Gary ross junior is at one twenty six. if you can't get a fight at one twenty six move up and challenged. Wbz champion at one. Thirty is birch shell. I don't know man doggy. that's what we talk about. And you gotta ask yourself. Even if gary goes the wbz route a is the wabc gonna do it. In a timely fashion and mandate a mexican champion fighter slick bike fighter from opposite promotes. I it man. I need right now. It is one of those things like he wants a attained. Because of the money that it comes with who's willing to take that risk if the were to go move up or use vitamin one thirty one thirty four whatever but you want him to fight a birch which i that fight i do put gary is serve he. He's any less than beneficial. You know statue. I physically. he doesn't. He loses something when he if he moves up. You know what i'm saying. Especially the bigger guys like. He doesn't have the reach. He doesn't have the height. He doesn't even have like the overall mass size like he is a smaller fighter. But he's so talented that you can visit him. You know fighting the of the world and moving up. But i don't know i just remember very clear. He was struggling. Show are you crazy. Gay regular books on virchow. Warps remind cham- warps. Have you seen you is lie. You can come out way for. I'm with it. I'm waiting what that means that. The number two. Yeah i wanna an gary russell versus Gary russell budget for garissa bridget. Or never do that on. It will happen but if they did. You know you got bend over here. I love look. This is what i'm saying like you know. These fights can be talked about men if they're if they're able to be made this. It's not just tank is not just the devon guys represent high paydays and do for fight guys. He just defended. Would you say. Gary is due for a fight. He just defended versus Numbers are last year. So that was yeah i was gonna say you're ago wrestle. February's is right around. The corner is one month. He's got to fight. Yeah yeah yeah no listen. He know mandatory defensiveness jesse magdaleno. That's a good fight jesse mega number. One it's not the payday that he's looking forward but pro he could fight that fight and then right after depending on how good he beats him or if he wins he could go out and call them out right on tv. What's that you don't say. There's nothing wrong doing. The he needs to move up this nothing. His division light jesse magdaleno eduardo. Ramirez and talk is number three again. You need to go. there's nothing in your in your sanctioning body. Not even anybody coming up makes sense thirty got. Yeah one twenty-six is Is definitely offer him You know it's It's a it's a hard luck division firm at this point f in lutely a louisville. Slugger say he says tank versus gary bigger. Pay per view fight than santa cruz. Absolutely santa cruz. Santa cruz was just to get his marketability out the introduce them to the latinos. But but but that row that that gary fight. Yo man you saying. Hold on hold on. You're saying that taint gary russell. Does you buy yes. Hank santa cruz. Yes okay. I think you are right. You're right it's only because tank. Is that fights happening after the leo santa cruz so the residuals of that fight alma mater argument. This in this short people will actually believe. Gary stands a chance. No one thought. Leo was winning. No one no one. no one. Leo was winning a hardcore hardcore fan. Don sacrificial lamb. He was officially our ayman. Put him on a platter to take devante to the next level and he did leo the favor he said. I'm not just going to serve you up. we're gonna make you four time champ. How because we're gonna make devante vacate hill fi gambro regular while you win his vacant. Now you fall time now. You may history now. It's okay if you lose one time in a big fight on pay per view my son. Thank you out. I'll be back but boom on street is he wants a rematch. You don't deserve it. You can't get knocked off his head. Chris kobe solas yesterday. Leo wants to remind you can't get knocked out. Flat like that and want the You gotta a rematch. Something no you gotta rematch close as different as adema gone. knock johnny. But that's not you wanted it as you have to get it. But that's not the situation and my may knocked out hard like he's got to do more than the average cat that just loses it comes back like you gotta do something rifkin. You ain't even from the us domain me fucking block umit how to fuck you know taint versus gary do one fifty south fast shutter selfish. That's is pain. But honestly i don't i don't know champ like you saying he does more santa cruz. You know the sport i look. I know how well you know the sport. I'm very surprised that you're gonna stand on that You know what it is. Marianne i think i think i think if you really start to foresee the future of how that fight would build up. It can do big numbers. It's just talk man thing. See leo leo. Brought the the phantom that he had already backing them up it was already there but The area come out for there. They need to pay. They need a pay. Gary russell for that Do me. because he's the reason why people talking about it now. He's marketing already for that to somebody. Somebody's somebody go ahead and and you know if they win. Actually i can gary his shot man but if they shut him up you know and talk. Who's gonna shut the guy that's been calling everybody up you put it at work. How do you know the market if you ain't from that spot i can't tell you what the fuck warrenton and whatever other domestic fight is going to do because i'm not from fucking leads but at the same time you know a american. Boxing numbers are like much more reported in terms of like story headlines. And i don't know. I think that's absolutely. I'm sure i'll listen. Out of fights in dc been facing bc. I'm on record saying them. She saw straight up parties. That i love him. I never said. I dislike the fight in the dc area. Another country going to tell me how good a fight would be in. That area may get outta here man. That's about area. Pay per view buys in general. In general we talked about in the beginning. That fight will sell out out absolutely states. We said so. You tell me four states go have interest to sell it out but it won't do pay per view boss. I think that those are two different Demographics how you get one city to sell ten thousand tickets. You can't get one world to sell one hundred percent of that pay per view. They can't getty bill reynolds in number occupied. That's what i'm saying is on the same thing this like irl. Nobody is looking for the next mayweather. Impact don't exist no more this day and age. Good yes two hundred and fifty thousand two hundred and twenty five thousand. That is good day innate. Sure absolutely no chang. Did that with leo. Who doesn't say anything for thank you. Hey thank you al. Hayman what he brought to the party. You come by. He brought mexicans. He brought the hispanic fan base. That's what he brought. He brought all my my ideas and deals. And all those who don't watch boxing. Every mikey they watch leo. Santa cruz pay per view brought. Mikey brought him. Nike broad april since day one given our pay per view numbers for the uk. Because i don't understand that market and and the only guy. I would talk about his aj. And i'm pretty sure. I've never said age is going to do any number of never said that i've never said that. And that does crazy numbers. So you're wrong. annualising skew. Penders of i got an interview with stephen espinoza anna interview with the other dude on the bike. Two hundred and fifty thousand two twenty five four. A premium network is success again again and this is from a a member. That's what i'm talking to patriot. Member or youtube member calico is a three time tv fantasy. Pick them league champ. But this is what i mean you from a whole nother country laughing about what is a success. Shot joe s up and learn. That's which one on american podcasts. For to learn about american to two hundred k. Nobody's saying that that's like a record breaking number that but but the numbers have like look first of all the never pay per view numbers never did change mayweather out made it seem like the gold standard was a million that that's the platinum standard. Like we gotta stop pretending like a million was no feet. Likes is a huge number okay. Five hundred thousand is a huge number. Okay these thousand is if you're google marcus. One d is google is you know. Let let let me see the network. There was crying when that did anywhere from two hundred to two to three seventy five. Look it up. You know what i'm saying like these do they did between one hundred and fifty and two hundred thousand which was called and it was interesting. They kill him with this. Don't don't they got a rematch. Then they have a forty nine nine. They did have a rematch. Ninety five us but they did a fucking rematch show ass up because you from a whole nother countryman you you on travel ban man. You can't even get out. Your country was a small purses. Return the return generated. Oh wait that's for different fund. Lv sluggish says on the super chad. Dnv alone will be one hundred and fifty k. p. You buys thank three hundred k. Plus altogether thank you. Oh no that's that's let's say what the press conference is going to bring in more views on free youtube on showtime's youtube is it. Is it leo santa cruz versus tank or as a fucking tanking. Gary rice. mary. I painted to you this way mary what we'll fight. Can you remember right now. There was mexican versus mexican. There was a heated a co back and forth between them that they made made a great fight that you can remember. Just two guys the had it in for brera and Rallies to hold. Tha that and that's exactly what would happen with with when i don't mean numbers or anything like that because i don't know what they did but like that's the kind of energy that the fight is going to bring so when when when when when we say that you know half of it you know He said the half of one. Hundred and fifty k would come out of the beer. Is that a lot of people are gonna get up. Take their wallet out and pay for this just off a gp because he wanted my side like oh not see when this like ozone it's going to be tanked repin our ultimately answer also spills over right 'cause fall false baltimore fan got on family new york fan. It's just spreads like wildfire. We watch you used by age. Please let me get this chat engagement. Hold on let me go. Hey glenn let me kill to fucking across the pond. Dummies with one fucking stone. Okay they laugh at my job but your interview says espinosa's says to fifty is break even not a success. Yes in inex- context because we were talking. Mikey earl which were gonna get a higher. You don't help me. Don't fuck it out me slate. Any fucking body they bums especially from the uk. Okay so mikey mikey fucking earl. If they do to fifty or so. Tom is twenty million dollars. Okay thank did two hundred. And let's say fifty that's twenty million dollars subtracted twenty five right because the number was two hundred and twenty five. Now you tell me take ten million. What would he got fifteen million you fucking dummies. Get the fuck out of american business don staying in your uk panel shifts you understand what Number let's give you a real number. Two hundred and twenty five thousand. Pay per view buys at eighty dollars is eighteen million. But that's not a success for the network because why because they overpay tank what sixteen million. You fucking dummy. Shut up for both out. I don't wanna have nothing else for thirty minutes. From the two of you stupid you both in the corner with the dunce hat. Damn walk out of cigar out of cigars says Let's admit not every pay per view. Should be seventy five dollars. I'll be the first to admit aid right. But i pay eight hundred tanks tank. They eighteen million they mad. Listen i think that the problem with doom. His argument in the basis of that is this. I've heard that the dc maryland does fight fans are hardcore. Fans just said a little bit ago. It's like a party right. So you got ten thousand people that would have bought the pay per view but now are at the fight and then you've got other people like yes. The interest will be great but our everybody buying the pay per view individually like you know the partying going out to bars. It's a party type of thing like with soccer with football. Like you see it right. That's how they that's not listen. I'll probably take away. Fifteen pay per view buys every time you know what i'm saying this because i have at least fifteen in my house that would have bought leaving like ten. Would've bought it but don't because they come over to my house every time you know what i'm saying so all i'm saying is that i i one hundred fifty thousand people in one area to buy pay per view is a lot. That's a lot. Excuse me i mean look at this thing for big a accent the world or at least the fifty one states to buy two hundred thousand pay per views in a big number. That's not a big number especially when you got a good fight. This fight will sell itself because they have two guys. That will be talking. Gary could take the ogden chasing you for x. Amount of years showtime can get creative. Show gilead a kid after tang spy gary calling them all types of names young nephew low to shorty. I mean yo. When is somebody going to stop. Gary from disrespecting them gary talks to whoever he wants descend. He's he's much twenty. Twenty one most avoided fighter. The i'm doing it right now. Most avoided and talking mostly talk. We got another do from the fucking another do with pounds in his wallet telling us about pay per views. Two hundred and twenty-five pay per view buys is considered poor in the uk keyword in the uk in the uk which a twenty dollar pay per views. Nine hundred ninety nine sometimes. Let's let's be mom. Spare rooms tickling bullocks and listen. No one's hear bragging that we pay eighty but that's is no right. It's just don't pay as much as math is just math though. Two hundred and twenty five for us costs more and it makes more for the network. So don't be mad oak. Ken stone set. Something on the super chat. Wanted to get to it at llc frampton trilogy after call beats herring. Lille santa cruz franci- trilogy. Yeah but i don't know that would be frampton fbi tearing. Why would he be given. Leo shot guess that money that that that audience maybe liles coming off a loss. You don't want him to do some effort. I thought that if you lose to this guy they ain't gonna crash down on you. I know what you dumped for me. Orios shutouts no no casual. No casual buys guy. Never say gillies. Podcasts he was on gillies live on his instagram right from the fight. That's what you see. You misunderstand oh why. Why are you answering. None ninety with chats. Remember my head on the patriot. Love a write a you know what you're good guy for that pockets gotta be. They need to become pockets talking about two hundred twenty five thousand of using of success calling tribute read. That's our name should be read jones on the rapper exchange really exchange rate pound worth more than the dollar. Your pound. don't it don't call it it. Eight times. The amount of mario mario there is no exchange rate for you if you live in the uk. It don't matter that. Japan costs more in america. Unless you're going to bring it's america. don't you get it. Point is What is more to them than it is to us by the pound which doesn't make any sense because we're talking about eighty dollars versus you. Let let's let you gotta break out my calculator for rightness trying to bite my head of. I'm i'm planning on his which is wrong. Go ahead go ahead. Alex biting your head of. Oh you trying to fight. Oh everybody going down today. Mario dotti you know. I'm just trying because i don't think you understood when argument was listen. I tell you he has no argument. Right i'm telling you the because look he's in. Canada is different exchange rate for him just like different exchange rate for us. So it's like this. You k- america canada. But guess what you think. He fill the difference or he cared. What if i'm buying a milk for two six sixty nine. He's buying it for the equivalent of his money brother now his money only matters. He's coming into america. Actually dan what the point he's making is that when he goes to pull out a twenty dollar bill to pay for something. It means something different than when we pull out a twenty dollars trying to blame. But it's a valid point on your side not explain explain what is what is the difference for him in difference is an listen again trying to l. He's exactly. I just want to make his point clear. 'cause i got it. This way that the exchange rate right is is is higher so the pound is worth more so when he sees the twenty dollars it looks more like what we would see like a forty dollars. I'm not saying that's accurate. I'm just saying that's the point he's trying to make is that. It's worth more so that when twenty dollars is a price tag for something you know you go like out as opposed over here where you see twenty dollars and it's as much he's making a week s shot and shit don't don't make sense. Don't make sense it. don't make sense. You can't clear make sense but the bank because he somebody else. That's what it is that you can't help my man. He don't know what he's talking about like making a clear. I'm making a point clear that he super chatted for listen and as far as charleville. Right he says. Also now charles a success Did he do one twenty. Yeah i think it was like twenty one twenty times. Eighty is only nine million. Now you got subtract the half of the for the provider. You see why you don't know nothing about i. That's it carlito next dumb shit. You say you'll on timeout. Because you see this is why you have yong calculate. Everyone's phone comes with it. You understand now you got to think about how much they had to pay big little charl how much they had to pay jason. The convinced them. You tell me which one is a success which one is like. This is not math class. I didn't go to school to be a teacher. And i ain't got time to teach you. Okay okay you can't be mad this k- not including gate or sponsor that's definitely isn't a financial failure. No don't say nine. He's do so sad that we have this like this ridiculous battle. uk versus. America does yada yada things we we happy for. Aj like we love the he gets ninety thousand man. Stop hating on our people. Dan telling us was good. And what's bad all the way over here. What a gunshot drunk man. Scotties call is birth. Yo-you adam who the hell is adam at roy. Yeah he grew. Nobody know adam. Atta may know members. Your patriarch with two ds. You can't even be a page on to these ballots. He was super chatting earlier. That's why i love your accident. He returned retracted his I didn't retract. shit. I said okay said the box invoice erased retry. I only Timeout or remove. Remove removing comments. Time s out in a heartbeat. But i adams said nothing to me so much. i'm about to open it up man. Let's open it a mem- remember we're talking. Gary resume not pounds and dollars. Meant dudes always want to have a beef man. Let's fight in the ring then. Cannella just beat the shit out of one. Let's talk about that. I wanna talk about pows dollars in pay per view buys not lose. Let's debate your guy getting beat up by guy or i guy getting beat up by your guy. That's which i want to talk about now. I wanna talk business about americans. Shit all nosy mom focus these are brought to you by el camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. Visit us at el camino electrical services dot com real quick. Before you know what. I'm saying we get to these callers. Just remind you to go ahead and smash thumbs up and subscribe button. It does help with the growth and visibility to show. We got over three hundred sixty people watching and listening around the world. We appreciate you so very much for. We only got ninety nine thumbs up. Let's get that number to one hundred and fifty two hundred. We believe in you. You believe in us. We appreciate your. Let's get out to these callers man. I united ru hit the road. Let me see operation france. They got up toward twenty six. That's still too low. But they can't believe there was at ninety nine s it shows over. Pull the plug. And if you're listening to the show. Quick and instant member look into the video description and you will see the joined us channel link. Click on that link to look at his got. Now i want to know my god. Oh my god. I hope you put that in quotes because you heard someone say is bullshit you seen. This say you see the super typhoon. Alex saturday said that else. Alex jones is also You read it. i'll read it. Alex jones from the uk says also african american fans. Don't buy pay per view. Now where enough inhales. You'll get a look at your analytic adamant that only white people people bought mayweather this man. Who are these people men. And whether you come from breath real a alex jones like a widow in politics two now. He got shut down poor guy alex jones yet. But that's crazy. I think there's probably a lot alex jones. I thought when he first. I thought i thought that's what he was doing. It was like making a screen name but his name gotta be alex jones. Yeah it's just too common of a name. he needs. He needs to take the show rest of the show. Alex writers just missing a few words in whatever. You're like what i wanna. I wanna see. I wanna see his avatar zoom in his two guests to blurry. I got one thing for your champ. What the fuck is this guy crazy. Go back to august because we try. We still got hayden as rob. Hey chad From the uk Say we'll rob saying the that. Two hundred twenty five thousand is in a superstar. And i mean it's i don't think it's a superstar. Is paul with superstar. Done you know Koto martinez with sergio martinez was known for already knocking out. Paul williams he was showcased on. Hbo numerous times koto was already child. Is everything that he was code. Had already for both mayweather and pack. They did three hundred martinez did fifty. And that's that's twenty fourteen on. Hbo which was back then. One of the only network showtime had just started dabbling. You know they were there. Were two years in not just started but like heavy. That's when heyman cova and yes yes well. So all i'm saying is if miguel koto and sergio martinez three fifty. And you compare tank and leo. And they're doing twenty five. He is doing well just like irl is doing well. These are yeah. Yeah numbers these listen. This is what it is. It represents the tier of stardom right okay. So how many but fighters today do two hundred fifty thousand pay per view buys got. Ask yourself listen. It is there. He's in the top two three percent of fighters that pay per view buys like that would even get that much like fighters that we think are big names. I mean what would they do if they were on pay per view you're probably talking in the thousands. Maybe a hundred thousand depending on the fight right two hundred fifty thousand today put you in a certain tier and that puts you at least in the top ten percent of of fighters. I mean you know. obviously i'm pulling numbers out of my ass. You trying to say though. I got all the numbers. Shout out to chris carson. All the numbers. Shout out to chris. Carlson from the rope. A dope pod caz man one of the people that gave me my start early early in the beginning guys. He sent me this years ago. He says the numbers a lot. And i remembered it triggered boom. I went to my techs. And here you go. Hopkins versus roy. Jones junior sue in two thousand and ten. That should only did one hundred and fifty thousand. Those are are allegedly to legends allegedly to legends that was a bad promotion. Darlene. john darling. Everybody thought he was the super duper star. You know had people call it in here man. You had to see the heat. Did bring out callers bro. He had so many people saying arguing how he was a star because jordan signed him. Himalayan muted one fifty one fifty in on ten. I'm not surprised. What what did he do. Monte carlo pay-per-view with Japanese fighter be an american pay per view chant but it was sold in america. Know that we got that on tv. Hbo know we're thinking of a different fight. I'm talking about the guy that starts. dow kirkland. Utah come out Nauru nobuhiro shida. Yes i was pay per view. Look it up. Look it up at least favorite view. I'll look it up right now. Everybody you talking on talk take. The love is all because it's over. Yeah beat should i take. The love is over bravo. That's gonna that's gonna come in handy and and and you know yes we see why piece said it real quick. I'm sorry i do. He said it wilder pack earl tank. Charles only current pay per view boxes. And that's what that's the point. How many guys that would attempt to do. Pay per view would even get to one hundred thousand one hundred and here's a good. That's i'm glad you said that 'cause there goes another fucking stat a heavyweight and beyond the what seventy five was with luis ortiz intake. A lightweight matt matt fax. The uk want to get involved in our shit. Why don't you show me your hundred and thirty pound pay per view straw. Who's selling twenty dollars pound. Pay per views out there where he's at. He two to twenty five. He don't exist so a happy way. Did the numbers of a lightweight or lightweight did the numbers of the heavyweight. But somehow they trying to hate they trying to hate somehow and call his not a song. I swear. Many hatred is crazy stars. Sta look the word stars roads. Have i'm saying like is he. He's like a star in boxing. Right now absolutely is he that. Crossover quintessential like mayweather start. No of course not say. He's a fighter. I know that Well we giving them a lot on mission man the number to call four to five five six fifty to forty one press one one time voice your opinion rate here on the voice of the people. I could talk all the shit. I want but i give you an opportunity to call in and talk some shit right on right on stupendous. I got lac. Wisconsin adrian would up. Good was good Yeah mona that's crazy. Man comeback problem. You got the gps maryland. Talk to me. Actually we gotta ring on la bow in bama. Would it do something got up. Trump's directly guaranteed of says that he would like to thank god for this opportunity that he can go forward with his family and progress from poverty. Shutout topo riddick. Bowe mag bo jackson. Boeing bound Shell out the whole panel man franchise. Mario domi dead. I like when everybody here I got two point. My first point is the gay russell. Giant lee out at one time fighting the year. He asked him for specific. Bro- take offer. Did they make you if you like to. Overstate making you. It is what there's all you but at. This point take auburn. They make them they warranted. Made them all take haney made them all. Just take it bro. You you wanted to buy so van. Take off. They made the country like a day because he would beg a board and we did it. You got a problem with it The other wedding have been going on. Wait a minute to wear gloves. I mean come on both sides bo. But what do you do for a living up. Ceo cars for all right. So if i said no no no hold on if i call you on on your private line yoyo bo. Guess what you like to open up. This car diller. I'm starting february first. I wanna sign you the contract to come work from a four year contract and you sign it. But i don't give a fuck in day to start. And i don't give you where the hell the dillas that come on. Man don't don't don't be crazy today. Our all right so you make me that offer. But it's something i've been wanting. I've been wanting to work with you dealership shield. I saw you don't even know what it dealership is. That's what i'm trying to tell you is not in your contract. Don't say gonna be working at at fifty two brunswick avenue at the honda deal it. Don't say that and just say. I'm giving job my dealership to be announced in one cow. One contract he going to get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for new guaranteed all. Oh gary is on the last day in podcast saying it wasn't that they wanted him for more than one fight like which i don't listen to these interviews. They said that are thank god. I feel like the next country off. Beginning is reasonable. He should take it. That's all i got. Gary russell's super super internet though the march they want him to take. That's what it is. That's what it is not. The hat is on the margaret. The other thing. I got it on the mara hagler man but they keep breaks mara. Had been a part of the four horseman new. This oughta fighters that we know him buying moved from one forty one forty. It's like triple jeep biden aerospace and whatnot that like our really respect handler liked that the ram moved from like forty s. hardy Hires moved from forty seven and sixty the whole time burn. He lost a one Sugar ray who come up from like forty where like our really respect him like that. He be no notable names other than the guy from the uk I can't remember his name. A mentor berry meant Not buried mental but the brother. He beat him as sixty but sixty. Yeah he'd be allen mentor and he got famous off their fight because it was a racial tension to know how old bo was or at least if he was old enough to be watching during that time. Because unless you were around or you're like a really big historian that's that's he's gonna make me go back and look at marlon. No that's the same. We're gonna go back and see. This man is what i am going to go. Do we do me now that you're on. Cyp's happens to his emoji. man call it. He is supposed to get an emoji waiting for our guy to finish up You know everything was sent out and Absolutely wants this is. In a matter of fact i'll check in now to see maybe if he was ready but Yeah it was. Sent out supposed to be You know already finished up. So i'll check in on it for you while the show's going before i do that stocks now. I see why you've been timed out. Man you can't be calling callers retarded they call it in. They have the heart and courage to call in. You need to call in before you could call anyone everything because if you call in and you can literally say it on your call man last caller before me. Was you know slightly off his rocker like you. Can't you can't go ahead shot by you. Know what you're looking at you. But i can't wait to get to i. Go ahead chat taking shots at callers because you you are in in your home and you are being you and your safety zone. The call was at least vulnerable. They did we can hit them. You know even if you are a caller reserve officer training corps these guys on the front line. You know what i'm saying. So why don't you call champ and get on line. Maybe maybe you mean say what you said. You know what i'm saying. Maybe you need to clear things up for the black ring and sing is unhappy and then it rains. It pours them some lightning hitting no just kidding up. Boxing expert says to god does roaming the back alley of the pay per view gates two cats carlos. Alex joe's okay super chat majority of pay per view buys come from white. I have no idea what that is. The young turks youtube sales. I don't know. I don't know what is what you're like the The armed forces with these acronyms Tackle service. I don't know because what y'all i sort of god. He said youtube sales. I'm like oh of course likes. He just sounded so confident when he said i absolutely a candy slam fiber one says what this tank versus ryan. I say. four hundred and fifty thousand great money. Yeah i'm putting it out of a million a million a million amount. I say you can and let me explain. Explain i could give you one more failed. Gennady lufkin pay-per-view. But then he got with canelo and he got to a million you understand so he was doing ten percent or less than ten percent two times but then he got with the right dance partner and wa which one counterpunch fifty mutinied. They won seventy where the other he fought which was jacobs and then he went into the like one point five or one point three sons crazy like jacobs one seventy s google championship up-to-date sad about that. And that's what. I'm saying these. Uk do china. Tell me tank not a star but daniel jacobs suffered. Cancer took a two mile respond. Doctor said you'll never fight again. He became a poster child for fucking cancer. He comes back not only the box. But to be a champion again and fights gennady lufkin who's allegedly The only the only do close enough to destroy bernard hopkins title defenses. Most feared middleweight. And they only did one seventy yo yo so we got a couple of super chats here. Counterpunch bowl with the counter ponds chat says. Yeah we'll do. The super chess says guarantee pulsar. Go ahead gary pose been went to one thirty versus per. Tell press the wbz. Yeah but i think we all understand this and charles tried to press the wbz. We all understand is what i told you. I like marisha. Soula mine is a mexican based sanctioning body. Do we really believe that. He's gonna have gary russell the slick black fighter put pressure on his mexican fire. He's going to not only the pressure on his mexican champion but the the the home grown mexican to man. You absolutely right about that. Take so long. Gary would need an between fight. Cyrus says didn't wilder sin. Aj an offer without any venue date broadcaster guests. That wasn't a series offer covid list. And let's be real. In retrospect his offer was not taken serious. And eddie. hearn's excuses were. How could we sign something. That doesn't tell us the date invented so so so all of a sudden and it was good for editor backout. Aj while defy but today. Gary is a duck. He's lying and he's been 'cause he ain't accept. An offer have dated menu. See what. I'm saying like a sin boston. Jared go ahead brother boston. Jared says ray seals willie monroe senior. John mugabe one domingo don and moustapha ham show were all excellent winds hagler one of the greatest of all times goats act. I needed that man. I really did coach for those on the counterpunch so coach mars with the last one who's buyers with the last one says who is alex jones. I'm not feeling his comments towards a certain race. Do we want to fight. Import a war so week is sort. All this out. I know spies dope play. Put the jumpsuit on. Don't make you put the jumpsuit on you running at full speed. He walking that you still catch up some still right behind you behind let me get to a counterparts from bama bo bo so nets you got you hear me. Yup here you go. Yeah so so. Would you like to have a cat. I mean boorda would broadcasted on a television whether on pbc don't like that with M take 'em cheesecake one of those. Would you like to have border war broadcasting on that. Not that they can't give me no day. Because then i can't promote it and i can't set up a fight but we i can't get no fight fight along 'cause what they mt k. Orb zone or whatever network you say whoever they know okay. So we'll see yes. Take this ca- stephon stephan show fight on. Hbo no not until they send lou dibella fucking day go ahead. Go ahead bama. Yes of course we would want to be televised yards time tomorrow. We started some. And i ain't gonna interrupt but that was cooling. Come all though yes you would like to be broadcast on. Tv network with border. Wars thousand dollars you can do you can distribute it to your fighters or whoever however you want to do it. But we don't have a time yet and we don't have a venue yet and we don't even know which channel is going to be broadcast. It could be on. Does all it could be on. Espn we don't know yet but we're going to get you put on tv. You go down absolutely one one event. I'm turning over. God day you not lie. Then into limbo outgoing agree i respect. I respected is cool but in the future. You can't be crying and complaining were you. Don't get what you want to check it. Let me just for two seconds. I get i get the point bam was trying to make is like you want something to happen for you so like when you really want something to have few you're gonna you're gonna take any way you can just going back to. What we're trying to push is that there's a conduct the business that there has to be. You got to conduct business. A certain way in order for things to fall into the right place all around if he takes that contract no venue no nothing. He is literally agreeing just to the money but then again. He doesn't know if he asked to travel to the uk he doesn't know whether he has to prepare certain way. In order to listen they had a day. It was the it was the gamboa's day is the gamble day. But that's what gary is saying if we negotiate and how you already got an established date but no network either. It's a lot listen. It's two different sides because bill has told us a whole different side. You know gary told the last stand podcast and brian custer a different side man is there's always two sides to a story and you know the biggest. I don't care what happened in those negotiations. All i care about his him not being able to get a fight. So it's the same. It's the same wilder fury while the aj situation right so Rob is saying well. At least eddie wanted to sit down with finkel to discuss. And that's what they need to. Whoever whoever's willing to fight gary sit down and discuss sit down and discuss you know the the the gary devon stuff was to public. It was to public. That doesn't fights done. it was too public. You know they need to revisit those negotiations and maybe keep it out of the media. Keep a little bit bonded doors. It was out there when they were. All of. This stuff was happening on the forefront. Not not behind the door behind the curtains as they say show kit. Two thousand five did come on the super chats as i just hope carry. Which is gary get a big fight soon if he waits any longer he's gonna be out his prime and people will say he wasn't great man. Yeah man look if you sit you sit out this long and you're only fighting once a year. That's going to be your story. And i don't think that's what gary wants low. You know when obama says that. I kind of like i see the point. You're trying to make your your kind of just being left behind to take something and then kind of fall. Let things fall into place. The best way they can I don't know if that's something that gary was scary. I think wants something. Sure something solid. Something that's You know spoken up before he jumps in full head. I i said y'all want me to give up my title at one. Twenty six to one thirty and not get a shot at the title on. But it is man who's next make sense who's knicks. So whose neck. A brandon in cincinnati brent in cincinnati with some lifestyle is brought line nine slept with some sites. Would up top of the morning gentleman haas out. Sound good to meet you okay. I've been saying this year. Then gary russell. Dan always say the three most of my book guaranteeing been mustang changing. He's dead duck. All the ways tanks might is if he changes his last name garcia spanish. Thank hispanics so he following the so called green trim bullshit. Then i would think is even real. Oh so smart night. It ain't gonna happen as far as saying he might once a year. That's bullshit because even responded twice a year despite lord of guys simplisafe despite spider boom. So they'll find some to complain. About and i was like okay. You take a pay cut or somebody like take understand that but anyway taking the mukilteo by josh warrington devastating snug ass. That's crazy what the hell did they have to take a pay cut to fight them. So gary being. I think it's weird man. City ain't getting their tanks learn spanish and challenges nine like this shit because that's what number on it saying decimals changes last name. Bill just hit me and said he weigh in on that contract from. Te'o shit is See campbell no but the cambozola thing might not happen because of the travel ban. Remember australia on laki. come on. that's right you know. I don't know why you're saying what you're going to do now like his video. Elyssa bag doesn't clearly state we sent an offer to cambozola. We see what's up with that. If not we moving on your people love to try to make people look like duck so quick so fast so easy man i swiss. You're listen to do that. Somebody say duck rubber little rubber duck. Everybody knew bring let me get some. I ring up. My new landlord won't talk to me champ de talk to us. Dorothy bassett position like that. You know don't give it a boss born in more when pace listen man. I'm in the land in mexico. But i got beef or keri russell and i said and i'm gonna say y'all gary man stop fighting tools that make chicken and lamb combination over race. Fighting said says in a mexican sell it took markers and orlando faced now you out in the trump and bill said as far as gary. He missed out an opportunity to make one point five million in the two thousand twenty during the pandemic his wife. He hottest shit right. Now get it. Listen listen and again. I love bill and not even trying to ruin relationships. You know. I want you to keep calling in wanted to keep listening like that but like at the end of the day he missed out on one point five but what would it terms. He obviously wasn't happy with the term. Something was wrong. He said that there were certain terms missing that he needed to know before accepting something like that. And that would. That's what he said what he said to bryant and listen and listen i get bama's point right a about making that money right. 'cause it's like if that's the most if the fights the most important part you gotta get covered. Then i see how people look at gerry. Like yo he missed out you know what saying i was just reading it that fight. Look at the investments man. That's all gary was doing. You know but. I think i think that if If they really sat down and really tried to make the fight we we'd see if gary was really serious a now. We know devon serious The money was there. Obviously the other details weren't there. Put kelly slim says gary avenue and look. I would like to fight if gary gets the fi but we all know. that's a cash out for abdomen. Abner don't look as i got to see more home from like look you don't live right on commentary let alone. You mean like yo. If the money's there and i liked the money like i don't i i mean i can understand scales. Yeah like certain details. That i wanna know like like what am i fighting that you fight anyone and where i mean besides the most important things i think he. I think that's one of the most important things where when and what division like. If i got full details i say. Let's keep moving forward. Fuck if the bad call it a little bit though right jerry. Y'all think so. Maybe who knows. We'd have to talk to the chance at this point man. I tried to tell coburg. Gary he said gary ain't gonna fight him because don't represent to gary. He didn't seem various either. Though to be honest with you. I mean just because he understands. It's not right now. I think it's because he understands his position as one hundred percent. I'm gary gary chasing them. You know what. I mean realistic. Who's being realistic. Yeah absolutely. I don't think it's like a duck thing or not slug talk to me tv furnace without it. So we'll ask. Nightmare knows good Might myself chris coppola said he just keeping real man with anything saying shutout it. Show lanes nightline a on the Gary thing may just do a big flake. Hopefully they can make this fight. He began they won twenty six year. I have yet to see anybody ever colder Like only never seen no never nobody'll walmart. That's a good. That's a good point. Man was the first one. Devon was the first one is him moving up to one. Thirty five you know what. I'm saying that to wait so long. No actually get their fight. Outweighing people who from the dc. I grew up in dc dc. Pg county so people that grew up in dc baltimore. They know there's always lack a little beef. I just feel like that's a big flight. Dc talking shit about baltimore baltimore. Tug ship dc. So i think that's a big fight man. That's hundred k. For eric one fitness. I feel like it will do three hundred k. Make their fight. That's a huge fight language there. That's my co. see that right. If people the people are talking a big flying like i it can bring big numbers last super chat. Rubik me right to sit out your please please please. I'm doing like this man. gary ross. Who may joe you this man. Nobody wants that man. listen man what. What's up with to do. Y'all gary russell. Every fucking fighting. He fighting amid the limit ticket combination over rice or he fighting upset says in a mexican trump making the tacoma joggers as night is he like a fat shake or prom night. Nobody wanna fuck. Come in hawaii fucking with him you go give up that one. Twenty six and get busy may get tired of shit. What the fuck man. You like tax season. You fight once a year taxis komo more man you thirty two you all pro like everybody else i somebody place as good as dead. We got a super chaff from real since day. One says gary wanted better terms for haney because he knew haney was going whoop them. That's a terrible match of for gary. You know what's so. He says that i was thinking of the fight. Right and early tank. Gary russell like compared to leo santa cruz. That's a closer fight to me right but analyst thinking about haney and gary. I'm like yeah. There's no way haney lose that fight. I don't know why for me. It's like a further percentage with haney than it is with tank. I don't know why but it just feels that way. I think the match. Here's the thing i think. If haney wanted to at any point he could absolutely control the fight. It might get a little boring but he could do that now if you wanted a firefighter or if you wanna go in there really make a statement that you know that opens it up a little more for three gary but I think haney could go in there and literally like control the pace from bell to bell if you wanted to jared relaxing. Yeah that was the one. I just read and then a boxing expert came. Say you need some spanish lessons with. Cyp took that's crazy if c. p. Spanish is better than yours mario. We got big brother. See talk to me this you would up you. Hey hey you know. I love i. Love gave us junior baio. He does his ego giving it away. I'd be at this point man because every it can't always be somebody else's issue for at the end of the date he don't make fight and he's not and he's not moving and he got his do it he. He was on that loma tanko thing for a long time. I love speed. I love his talent. He calling out do's and up a weight division. He can't make the fighters this weird by this is weird at the end of the day. We gotta be like your. What's guy russia's doing wrong. Why does not happen. You know what. I'm saying because it has to be a part of his ego because he's in control of his own so it's not like he got to go through somebody like bob arum heyman he. He make all his own decision. And he's not getting these fights so at today we point pointing finger him. That's my call luck. Tv be caller. Id call year. Cyp is that seawall put this easy boy. Alex jones in boxing expert to kind of do that would do a phone interview in this guy like literally knows coming off the state spayed of cowards. Straight up cowards. They overhear typing with gloves on so nobody gets get their fingerprints like say they weird like you talk all these people call you off aboard award literally. Y'all don't response but if somebody talking about a black box y'all respond and just the black box of the more to you do gotta call and you a straight pitch. What kind of are you anyway brandon. And if the green bay doesn't work employees may with doesn't exist. I think it's always worth. Boxing is very rate based. But that doesn't make it ray but it definitely is rates base. That's how people make their money. Country versus country caller her the year colorado year. And i look into your hearing me. Bill gates money. Kelly drop the mic according to the producer. Who's trying to help. Triple g The he says because of triple j's gate one may consider triple g versus daniel jacob success while it didn't do many pay per views the gate brought in thirteen million in revenue. Wow wow that is a success for sure. Wow because that's the thing. I don't know man come on man it'd be more just said. Cyp just said that it was tanking. Lille number was without sponsorship. That was just pay per view buys so we tally of the to. The ballot was just making the point because earlier. You know we made the point that you know it was like oh man triple g. Jacob sounded disappointing in deflating. But in reality it was a successful promotion. You know when you count all the money. Which is you know what i mean like. We're the only ones that are separating ramifications on bill bring on air because he's he's like yo man. Gary was offer more money than -til got the fight loma alex jones champ. I don't know exactly. What the heck is Which is the first time. I actually talk like google and its urban Urban slang for ways. Yeah yeah so just chill champ. You know what i'm saying to promote any or or incite chill any any bullshit so we'd gladly give you the two pounds back you know what i'm saying. Say caucasians man. Yeah yeah but like. I don't know where you're going with this. Understand that matter of opinion that i think you keep your circles because that's not what we like over here man really like us the first time i see something like this from you but but let's let's let's just for a second like pain. The argument it doesn't. I don't get that at all. It doesn't make any like what you meghan are considered the higher buying demographic right exa- added to raise stats. There's no stats. there's no stats but real quick. Like people always be like. Oh mexicans will by the pay per view like that's just the phrase thrown around in boxing. Or am i am eric and i know you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right and that's the other thing to listen. That the look pay per views for certain demographics they translate through You know wherever you fall on the economic chain right. Because like i listen. I know plenty of people that have scraped by to pay the water bill but definitely order the pay per view that that month. You know what i'm saying so it's like one of those things where i don't think you can put. I know his comment to me. I mean it made sense. I wouldn't mind entertaining it but it doesn't make sense at all how you don't let you say why. Meanwhile he just put word the word wise. What are you talking about. Let me see if it's blocked. You might be right now. They they censor everything now. I don't serve shows on now. he's as a member. I dunno alex. All right jones missile. Somebody tickets account. Is that going to be the let me tell you. And that's because now. I'll save it for the chat later. Listen i sent building link. Let's see he got time. We're going to go down in line. Majed in orlando would up. Mudge it come on down. Everybody need to light video. Subscribe to the channel. Join on youtube for some than to members but I just feel like if anything man who the way that this conversation going people need to start with all year mexican and white all fucking color. Should they all got names nate. They you know what i'm saying like show some more respect but Other than that. I just feel like you know. Gay russell Somebody needs to fight that dude or whatever you know what i'm saying. Give him a shot for you. Get to go. But i feel like getting blocked out and Yeah that's all. I got people show respect about this shit and just call them body names not by what the fuck they already color. That's all i got man many media. He's already keys. Cut trying harder on this little this little start fires shit. You wanna throw more kindle on it guys a terrible man. Y'all joel joel d. as is hit me up like oh hi. He answering the message from year like sure. I'll jump on whenever you ready. No you're lying because we talked that we brought him up. The other day brought him up to date no. He's literally in me out the blue from a message from fucking april thirty knoll. Are you serious joe. You know he bought last month. No not not not not d. As junior not joseph trainer joe albi as the training joseph. Dna trainer okay. But he's junior the fighter. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Yeah no relation. Uh let's see here looking like we got hawk in marilyn whatever down we come right back to you man. Bill haney just jumped on With his man. So we're gonna come right back to you hart bill. What's going on good morning. Hey good morning. Good morning how you guys doing today. Man shot out. Let's go chance filming. Good morning miss a hanes a possible. You could turn your phone sideways if you can get to landscape sir off. Just i'm just working see. I got up this morning. I wasn't expecting. I had to come on here. And i had to make sure that puts respect on chap's name this morning then. The only the only person that we need to be talking about is whether or not we get in this contract sick in from tier fremaux lopez and bob arum. Whoever they said that the contract was came in. You see my hairiest. I ain't been sleep all night up by the fax machine saying i gotta go get a haircut do and i ain't seen no you know what i mean and i've been geeked as a fight fan as coach trainer. You know what. I mean father for death for him to have the opportunity to really make this undisputed thing bring all this shit to ahead and decide who is the best fighter at one. Thirty five fighter is that controls all the belts. It's only one fighter that can that can happen with is Two fighters tiffany more lopez and devin. Hey so we talk about gary russi and we talk about devante davis those device. It ain't on the cusp of happening. We talk about some shit that we heard yesterday to set a contract was being sent over. Everybody ran with it. I wanna know where it at nurse man and lawyers probably still putting up the particulars together. It's a big time contract. Man's probably going to mean to promoters dillon with each other to different networks or one network probably lot of lot of terms. Put them man. Okay see see see. Now see where this is where you know the bullshit go meet. Rubber meets the road. What i mean this devitt. is the promoter. Sign a fucking. Some promoters will get to talk if our phone eight wrong. I mean because he can have a relationship where eddie you guys do. A co promotion. Eddie maybe bussing meals and sake with promotions devon hanyang involved i mean but maybe bob feels comfortable with his relationship with eddie you know sends a few words to eddie to get Phil maybe or maybe the contra. Listen if you hear about if you hear about bob calling over to eddie. That's going to get eddie's juices flowing that's gonna get our juices flowing. Of course this is something we want to talk about it. We wanna make happen but if you not talking to deb and hand you're not talking to bill haney then should ain't happening. You think he probably said more than he should have in the sense that they were always gonna wait for cambozola and now it's like he doesn't want to send your offer and then he has to retract and then it looks even worse. I got some audio build. Listen to contract lawyers and everything. Everybody needs to be patient. It's coming over. You send him saying that's what the word was. Yeah that's so you gotta let me get this audio for you. The first bought a one thirty five. Who's he going to be against. Due to the fact that. I think we just found out that They had to travel ban For australia something like that. I think they re re they put it back up so that kinda messes up the whole situation with campbell's and the whole the whole purpose of why we wanted to fight over there so who will be next. We'll be not no motherfucking next week. Now well you are now because table the way no next we world champion. We been sitting in here and we've been waiting. We haven't been on the next ship. We never said next about nothing. We always said with the lopez. It was now whether it was. Wbz tournament right whether it was a time when devon and seeing whether it's every time that we didn't talk about it we was ready for the now let's take out the neck shit and every other opponent because then you know because you said when i heard you say well april. We got a date. What the fuck we supposed doors and business. We supposed to look for day to happen. This guy is talking. 'bout april may march. I mean you're undisputed guy you don't know when your date is april mark. May you know come on man you chat you undisputed you supposed to know your day and everybody else supposed to conform to now here we go with some bullshit. I hope to say none of this. The russell shit. Well we were talking about gary russell versus tank. 'cause he's still talking about tank and you know i for me is just like yo. Gerry's becoming one of those avoided fighters. In my opinion. I mean like. I know you feel differently. But he was on the last and podcasting said that you know you guys just couldn't agree terms well talking about agreeing the terms and terms being sent over. He never sent over what he wanted. A what would happen. You know what i'm saying. You guys never countered it you know. Put some with respect on devon's name in the sense of we sent over something but he never sent over nothing back. So agreeing terms means negotiating. That's what it is anytime that you got the one point five. There was on the table when twenty twenty because we tell money twenty twenty one now. The money that was on the table and twenty twenty. You didn't negotiate it. You didn't step afford so that's why a lot of the fans and a lot of people saying you. All you talk a good game you come on and talk but you miss out on opportunities miss out on opportunities in front of so what i say to say to. You is is an respectfully leonard alabi who discussed Tim lopez and devin handy fighting right now if the lopez in haiti fight don't happen in the garcia and davis like don't happen then put davidson and and hanging together and put up my fucking gary russell shit up optima fucking thing because we waiting on an offer. Now if tank. Don't want to one. Thirty five pound bet ryan. Don't don't want to fight. He has the interim and tip more. Don't wanna fight devastating now. Which he's the franchise champion. And it's not about talking us. Call mark komo salima. Combo reseal pseudomonas the franchise champion. And tell them that. You want the wbz world title. So if those things ain't happening to guess what the title should read gogi man devon the dream hang needs to be put on a pound for pound list because it's too motherfuckers on their the don't want no parts of it now. I'm gonna go lay back in my bed. And i'm gonna sit by the small fucking fax machine. Could i can look over and this. You can't you and local. You know what i mean. I'll be expecting to hear something so were you you. People are expecting to hear some soon. I looked up. I looked but it wasn't guaranteeing us gary intake because gary got tank. Gary doesn't deserve to get nobody stubborn. Say feeling well fuck. You know what i'm saying is is listened. Gary was saying that nobody wants to fight him. He said he couldn't get a fight. That's why devon said we'll fight now if you don't wanna fight. He got a call. I'll call you said if you don't wanna fight devon if you wanna fight if you didn't wanna fight at one thirty five because one thirty five division is one thirty five then. How do your business like you said he had a Didn't say you had A mandatory yet to deal with do. He's doing february for mandatory for sure. But but that's what. I'm saying bill because he's moving up two divisions to make a very intriguing fight with your son. The terms had to be right. You know terms had to be. And i just i just left. That could be revisited. That could be. You're listening because we help them fighters out and we send shit over there to them. We flip helping fighters out and being available for them to send shit over to us. You did kick it right on motherfucking what i mean. Our phone ringing. You'll see no contract. Somebody saying that they sent something over to us. Decide well. well we'll team said he's sending something over right you. You said there is some coming over right now. That's that's the word on the curve man right so when is it. When do you think they're just going to be coming. Because that's what i'm talking about. The severity think the biggest thing in boxing right now is the team or low caste consent over contractor devastating haney. And we're waiting. We're waiting for devon haney. Tucson doesn't watch how fast we saw that motherfucker answering attacks away. He's a he's done dorian panel so he got doors and the great people indoors respected what he has done for the country. Man that is not to be undermined of dementia. You know what. I mean or misunderstood team or a bad mom fucking is. Here's a great young fighter. Davis is a great young fighter. Gary russell is is g great fighter. But when you talk about devon hanging you talk about something special something that you know what's and wants a two or three lifetimes you i mean you're talking about somebody special and as fast as our context as fast as i can talk with him. What i ain't got several. But i think you keep texas. They kept talking because guarantees. Lis- i'm looking like just because we was in the gym last night up to since. Do me china slack man man. If we can make this lila's making you know is no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no respect to boxing boyce respect to all the great channels that make devon who he is and provide him the opportunity to promote his fights and make his fights. The fight has been made on the voice. You just need to fema lopez 'cause you got devon. Hey you got his dad on the small fucker right now looking for email you what i'm saying and i'm not talking about next. I'm talking about now. So what network is gonna be it. Don't matter as long as you just get a chance to see it. I watching eyeballs on it. It could be on the boxing. Boyce saying it makes it might be brain. I'm telling you with our partners. In eddie hearn and rule. They have did things that have been totally outside the box. One thing that we want to say is that it can happen. We don't want to say it's not my business to come up in here and say it's got to be on. This has got to be the money has got to be. It's got to be one thing has to happen. Is we gotta start negotiating this shit. We gotta start looking forward to the fans got look forward to some real on a real opportunity for the shit happening. But i'm not to piss on your head and tell you that it's raining if we if demand if our phones adrian watson you guys spend time talking about instead of talking about the fact of -til chemo the undisputed let's put the i'm ducts viewed it only. If i need to do bill do okay you expect to. Do you expect to to send terms back like right away. Like basically what. I'm trying to say is you are confident that whatever they send isn't going to be the contract that would get signed right. You're gonna you're gonna have to negotiate like you said negotiations take place. That's a deal is based on so you expect. Whatever they said is not going to be the home run out of the park. Contract signed on the dotted line correct. Great question put home. Run is to have all the belts and opportunity for us to have all the mother fucking built. Send the paper over. We sign the mother fucker for you. Oh that's a good headline but we know how to get your he talks. Headlines real utah. He could teach this. it makes. It makes it easy when you've got the best in the world you know what i'm saying. It just makes it easy. We came back to jim last night. You know he put it. Put a couple of hours in late last night. That's why you know you've got to excuse my the party. You know but but when i got to hear the boys because i liked the tune in boxing boys for non all the all the channels. You know what i mean. I love boxing right. And when i seen the joint i'll say well wait a minute. We got ryan garcia and take davis. I thought was just making. The fight happened and for that reason for that reason and that reason alone they said. Well it's tiffy more devon start ryan and debit or we should be talking about. Why is the golden boy. The new golden boy not willing to take on just mandatory and become a world champion. Wbz then that might be the mother for. How did you see you see what he said. His words eddie was boohoo. Poor eddie nagy his way. The people want davis garcia. No such thing as a real champion into belts. It's about being the people's champ. Go cry me a river. That was brian garcia to eddie. Because eddie saying that the fight the should happen is devon versus ryan because ryan is devon's mandatory because on its own to both on the zone here because there's a lights shut out to whine garcia who also said that you know that he wanted to take on on a Tech davis and he asked tiffany. Molo pissed is a typical lopez. Why don't you take devon hangs Both leonard may whether promotions lopez. Why don't you take on. let's not let's not. Let's not misunderstand. This shit is we want the biggest place to happen right if the fight can happiness like you already pointed. We want how the air for tuna like. We've been wanted him. We take on how their tuna hor halen. Nora's knock itani. It don't motherfucking matter. Damn not kettani dot com. Listen listen when we started hunting lumber when devon was a teenager you sit them when you see when you see debit end. te'o posted. They both were in agreement up where chica was. And his and his his declined. They both felt that he was declining and they both felt that they have a size advantage. When you talk about t heaven desai's advantage that he has. He doesn't have that with them right. And when you talk about a more focussed up that big big bad right hand how you set it up on what are using the job. We don't want from no right hand. How you set. That epimetheus uppercut that that the tank uses we. Don't get hit with this shit. You got to set it up with jazz and when you talk about the job you talk about and having the best job in business the most accurate he was able to beat he was able to be gambled with one hand. All right hand and then that's dust in house personal business but he beating one hand you know. But i i appreciate you. Bill appreciate devon because ness made a point earlier in the show and he's been making he said that ryan is the guy that everybody's got to get to i right because he looks like the softest touch but y'all are out here trying to be instead of trying to pressure ryan on the same network who you showed up for the fight. I warn you know. We can't bill what you and use that word. I definitely did. I say he's. He's the most vulnerable. I didn't say okay. I'm sorry no no. I'm sorry i didn't mean to put words in your mouth but essentially what you're saying is right now is like the time right. May whether canola time right get them while he's fresh but are here trying to make deal female so I responded we not trying to we not trying to make t a few more well what they do. Well what do we do. An appreciably trying to get the best you get the belts. Don't matter who has them. Yeah yeah yeah just want that. Yes okay and i respect that and also by being a world champion. You don't pick him. You're not sitting around picking up. We kicked twice with santiago and gamble and clearly even talking to ness and ness was part of the picking process. Who did what i'm saying to say. No you know we pick gamble but but when you talk about picking them you only picking them because you have been awarded that because either denver. Sorry about that guy you have. You have been awarded that either fighting your mandatory or your mandatory not wanting to fight. You know what i'm saying. So so we were afforded that opportunity. Not that we wanted right. We want it to the best fighter available so here we're back in this position the we're like okay. Coup was whoever the who's the mandatory kuzma mandatory is wearing are non direction. Okay what was else. Mentor is hobby opportunity. We don't think that that's so big of a fight man. You better bring me tunes. Aerosol hobby tuna fish he. He's up now. I get musonda cower. Y'all cowards cowards. Ninety family i am none of the girls. None of the guys ain't no car works in the handy family. The week how i seen from samson they they they want that fight sooner than later. Listen they wanted to fight when they got in second position. You supposed to walk the mother when you first position them saying they saying some. Do you really wanted because you asked for. And second position right when you were in first position. How do you go from being the mandatory to ask him questions. Clearly you have something within the organization because you had lost your position in your rank. And we know that devon has because he has his rank and he houses position because he's been steadfast and his and his approach to it is that he can beat anybody man. Oh you are a speaker of truth. Man i appreciate. I really do every time you get on here. You don't bullshit us. you know what i'm saying. I've heard you say things that i've never heard manager say or you know truthfully speaking. So you know. I'm i'm loving. Because when you know you got the baddest baddest man out there. You talk like that. And i love it. You know what i'm saying. You stand up. Take on any challenge coming on with it. All over people say they wanna fight. Let's make it happen but as you can say nobody right now want to take that you know what i'm saying that that That task on which is crazy. They know they know how good devon is but you gotta give him a shot man but they always bullshit us though francis they always everybody bullshits us right. Bob bullshits us. Everybody boost its us. They he listened. Bill just said perfectly he said we want the best fight. We can't get that best buy. It's like we're not trying to come up here and sell you for tuna like it's this indoor be all fight but it is the best available when the others are fighting. You know what i'm saying. It is a good fight. Is it ryan garcia good. No is davis good. No is a good no but it is a damn good fight. It is a damn good. So why don't you guys a hundred percent correct but let me let me just tell you pointing out again boss going back to gamble and when you talk about a ring i q gamble has hiring. I q than a lot of those spiders to deal with to deal with it and get through with flying colors meany. You don't get the black is dead. You saw ten davis get you. Don't you don't you. Don't see the buzz that tears corporate experienced you know experienced that because you have a high level ike high iq high rate very extremely high ring. I q real so when you talk about these fights. We don't leave these fights. We'll leave these spice on the table. Because we don't consider those to be the big fights we don't consider. We never considered. Gordo like that. Ronnie will well. We consider what we consider having. Our business is chicago stevenson. We have business. He's just busy dominant at at the is and eventually meeting up with him for big big mega event but main event with respect. Not all that bullshit that you ain't no body and and who the fuck you ever fought and all that should we say that respect you know so. I don't see a bunch of people knocking on she. Of course door. I think he needs more respect on his name. At one hundred and thirty i think they need to make a fight with with him and to buy him a timid tim. Data's more him and gary russell. You know what i'm saying listed so for the winner but chet valdez on somebody. That question london said ask bill. How was the new year's eve party. Oh yeah oh. How'd that go. I mean well From a from a social standpoint. I have to tell you that we use as much distance as we possibly could but we party like a motherfucker you knock on wood. Nobody's come up you know you're sick or anything so we did the best that we could man we brought in there ain't year and now we background now he's back. You know what i'm saying on this on our on our game a bill national quick did you did you peop- what was going on between she and buddy mcgirt seen that. I've seen body when you think about that. These these geez man they they got you know. They got understand that their time came and went man. If they gotta be become conscientious respect. What a new young champions man you know what they say you know because you guys you guys have platforms and they're gonna say shit back you know we're actually he was picking your the'motor knockout chicago and six seven man. Listen buddy mcgirt. You've been knocked out before. Don't have any. Yeah yes so that might that might be might be a little bit gun shy because he'd been knocked off utah so he's putting his projections. Like z. say this shit on to somebody else. You can't wear that shit. Watch court got nine like man buddy with fuck you talking about him getting knocked out so when you talk about a person like that you gotta be expecting that you might get. You might get some. You might get some some some energy back. You know what. I'm saying yellow. You'll be out of six losses yet to keio losses. That's not too bad. Out of six losses buddy buddy. You're you're win. listen. I don't speak. I don't speak on the oggi's i'll speak on the whole. Jeez unless they speak on you know what i mean. They speak on the kids so feels that he feels that t afi mull as liked it right and then you know. He's he he. He said that he thinks the tiffany will be. So you know debit hasn't took an you know. Well you know what i mean. I didn't. I didn't take it. Well you know what i'm saying with. I'm saying because you know that's not what we feel so well. We say what we feel about buddy as a fighter and buddy as a trainer dan than people you know what. I'm saying. how something to say. Because with buddies latest comments and with his fighters have. I don't think he no shit about boxing. But he's saying and what he's looking at you. I mean you looking at to skill to extremely skilled guys and in devon and sukur and just speaking on the part of bus accord get knocked thoughts. Trust me buddy. If sukur don't wanna get knocked out. He's not getting knocked out. That's one thing you ain't gonna be able to do well. And the point. That i made about buddy was that he said that your local boxing trainer is as good. If not better than a buddy mcgirt essentially saying like the or the way i took it is like to to have somebody home grown to task somebody that they can make you a fighter this home role right and and that's more important and that's more essential to have that kind of connection then it would be to bring in a notable trainer that's had other fighters and the other thing he said was that he's never was the last time you know how to fight or that was homegrown. Most of the time he takes guys that have already been established himself. Kind of like a damage control type of thing. Y'all think too much about buddy. But but one thing to speak in favor of of sukur. And and i don't believe that none of them. Gosh is gonna to knock out. I don't think i don't think People has the skills to corners sikora and trapped him and put him in a truck to knock him out. You know. just don't just you know did you. did you hear. Chicago's on sweat. Pretends to china. Sorry from coach myers bill. How do you rank the hundred and thirty five division skill wise dynamite. All those guys now it was it was a dynamite. Dynamite crop older guys. Oh jeez the lomas the Lenora hobby after tunas. And all those guys were were good. But these guys up on him. That whole Devon core. Chris colbert another level. You know that whole crop. You know what i mean. An whole crop team o. Ryan that whole crop. I've got a chance to see all those guys and see them as young kids and see their work at the which ones were early on had the discipline that they were going back to the rules after they won the fights or that the ones that would would hang out in the lobbies or or a You know what lose and then wouldn't be mad. The whole weekend would be partying with the other kids. I got a chance to see all those guys. And i mean they're just a hell of a talented group man definitely definitely towns grew. I was an actual quick. Did you Ever hear win. A shukor was on sway and sway asked him about devon and he say yo first of all. We're boys but that's gonna be the super fight. Basically court predicted that that was going to be him in devon. We're going to be the big super fight at some point his career. Did you hear that. Oh absolutely does something that we already know you know based on we. Don't you know out of respect for each team respect for the families and shit like that that we don't talk about it but we know that they are prepared and near skill and sport a box. And don't take all this guy tanks shit or this. You know what. I mean this this this Talk bad and disrespectful tear female shit to to get up in the month fucking ring. We know that. And that's why i brought that up. I brought really everybody's talking about these big mega fights off other shit. We're not bothered by 'cause these dudes don't wanna fight death because we know that eventually you know what i'm saying. That big mega event is with her. Of course the dates man. So we're gonna have to start looking for backups for devon. It's looking like seven teo is going to do. The cam bros. oh fight. They they in they in the top. Bring me and right now. And it looks like the is mandated. They do the cambozola. Faisal is probably gonna take place here in american april senior. Said he would would've jumped on but he's still in the actual meeting with top rank right now. Because i had let him know that was live and i wanted to get in. Have your both so we can help build this fight. I let them know to be civil. I know he's been on other shows. In kinda got in sandbags is going to be simple. Uk control me. I ain't control him. I also off track. Tell me is going to be simple. I just not. I was going. I was going based the personality. I mean listen. Let's was doing good to try to bait him in. I was doing good to try to get him in. I was being. But if you just told me mic. I was going to blow my top. It's a machine sitting by the what my phone waiting on the email. And here's you get it. We get it live you bill. We get it live here. I'll get it live right. Now that he sending off for over to me. He told you yesterday but day in a meeting with well. I'm getting calls right now to man. He calls me now. He called to let you know Y- disappear or week. What sam saying monday to be disappointed but is it boxing. The listen look at damage. Control control box. That you get married said billy pedal ellawela tbb. Yeah being too nice. He wants smoke. Bill offered te'o fema for meal te'o accepted when haney want to fight term. She is set. Correct you said four offer. I we got we got. We got gotta guess on the line. All other than the great samson promotions samson. Luek are you camera samson. Okay let me let me let me before you get started. Let me tell you. Thank you for coming on to the box. Boyce with me you know. I appreciate one side one time. You said that it was no way that you was gonna give me hobby. Airport tuna one. No way was going to happen now. Look at where. We are up to me when i tell you that you will many many years ago citizen upbeat on your up and on your bumper for many many years and guess what look where we have. I told you. I was going to get him well. Not now for tonality bill. I'm eleven all by donald pate pilot. I need this listens the box and business. Listen the boxing business. I met with samson when dublin was really young. Sabs was interested in devon right as we moved up the ladder. Top-tier tune of being one of samson's champions coming up the ladder. I said i said to sampson. I said let's make it happen. No no no no way. You'll get hobby fortuna. I said okay. Okay okay this is the show box days just on shocks day's coming up right so we come up the lottery a lot of we'd get into. Wbz tournament. i say. I got it right. No no no you. Don't get heavier fortuna. And then and then listen. When i say you knocking on our door i say great father. God thank you. The the bells are ringing. Because we got a credible opponent that we've been looking for do have said the story right. Mr mr samson. I need to tell you the truth. I always thought preside precise. Exactly what happened and i have to tell you that the i stay with him. Probably our drinking coffee and he say my guy. Haney will be one of the superstar and in one moment. I wanted to sign it. But you don't sometimes i say sometimes people doesn't need it promoter and the father that have the most respect for you say you know what i will get that and i'll be honest with you that he got it much more like i thought because have you fortuna in ever make the money that this kid man and father guide him. I mean i. I believe i cannot do more likely so michael relation to you and term. You have your fortune's ready willing to fight. And i know ask you. This accused of the money list. Have the seventeen the last fight that you pay the cuban guy. You're going to get all with us. He more much better. But don't this noise excuse of the money. So what are we looking at april. I would say that he be ready when now the policy spent me this this man with a big big phil. Are you going to wait for the last date on the contract. Who could you do it before. A broom a no. I i would say april is perks with for everyone because remember. That is not what i can say of. Haney can say because it's up by the tv network so the network. It was decide what they that day is been done. And the the the this what he thinks we're not. I will not stop this five for money. I would not do that. Beautiful well samson republic or is he in america. This won't many send dominican republic. Is he going to be able to make it over there. You'll travel ban. Well hopefully not but the the the situation all the visa renew the contract and the visa. It'd be ready for february. So these perfect he can be forty. Anyway we all know. Excuses are looking for you for years and years and years you deliver housing europe. Listen you finally you got me like. I'm like a mouse next to big gut kaden. We went. You know what let me tell you. I believe that hubby fortuna shoot fair. Hey okay and and the light. And if i feel that. I cannot beat him like mesa. Lopez sorta million dollars who recent that he believes. He cannot beat any recent go. What did i tell you what did how about this. Rob give you the money that you just got on your last and let's lock it in right now on my own one point five. No you last night. The to define hobby opportunity. He did not get again. You manage businessmen ceos. That is one point five. He say i'll tell you what you add up. If you add up one point five in his last five fights you'll get it so we're good on when you falsified accounts to jail absolutely no pasco. Hey this man. I'm so glad to get you on here like you. You are a big wig in the box. And you're execute if you know coming up in it Like always to all the pitfalls and all the shit all the business shit. I don't i don't take it personal you know is when i get a chance to do business with you. Guys earn opportunity weather. I got a box. You in you guys box me in. You know what i mean is is worth everything to me. Because at the end of the day is provided in the unity devon to show his greatness and and april hobby fortuna would be on his back. Let me put this way regardless the money. If i know have a shot to win the fight i will never take the fight so you is great but honestly never force anyone that hobby two with the big boss. We say now not win. A great hobby of the great how the opportunity is paid good each and every person that fights devon get paid and that was the thing about doing a cabinet great relationship with with matching them that that they did mind paying what it took to make the fights happen and is just a a privilege that you know an honor that you didn't came on here and openly addressed devon wanted to take the fight and put the rumors to the side that we haven't been wanting to make the fight happen for years and years and year so i look forward to april if that this whole tippy most shit or or ryan garcia. I don't fucking know you know what i'm saying. Anyone will ever pay it. Asks for ten million dollars in mean is just want it to be optimistic. Be optimistic about real. Be real earliest species. You're going to give them the six you give them that gambling money more men let let for to get hankyu. Thank you for to eat. Yes him is his family too. Because that's the dominicans do they. They you know they sent back money. They take care of their people much. We got the it out on monday to make you the money. You're gonna eat all right there you go. Oh man the only are you a gentleman. You come openly and if i have how i can say is not at this point the issue would be to make the fight in that a way that everybody's happy and they will not be sure money you be Hopefully you know. I mean and and what network because remember you are in different network. What network have signed to bbc. Contractually he is definitely. An bbc is like a handshake agreement. But but but what you mean is via martinez eight years and he never had a contract with me and always listen but listen. Now wait a minute. Go ahead go ahead. Teo was one thing was one thing. I gotta go. Get some help for tuna. Go get that shit. I get this shit off the back. You get him to come over there. Zone. let's start to network shit. Yeah basically he's saying if you want. Six hundred thousand is going to be on his network on his date. Unless you're going to make devon job in wong you want them to fight on. Bbc samson no no no the only thing i need to be sure that everybody's is you wanna make sure to shoot you. You have permission for wrexham. Best correct and i didn't know and all kinds of contractually obligated to i don't think he is. He saying that the house okay. Samson's a man of his word and boxing boxing that nobody has courtesy. And everybody's looking for his own mind to respect. No we get that bridge in your table. Get that we can that. Basically what you're saying is you're gonna go to l. and make sure they don't wanna use via before you take obvious dissolve or that they didn't have any plans for a certain date or tv slide. But the you know y- is courtesy like you said. And i have no doubt that this would happen. I hope so. Because dan is a big fight for handy love. It wasn't about seventy seven hineous one thing about eight years. He's been waiting. And i've been waiting for for tuna and hobby fortune's name for tunis as always look good on devon's resume you know what saying we. I mean i'm just. I'm just glad to get on here right. He's the guy now. Don't make no mistake about his absence guy but when you talk about when you talk about to me when you talk about a relationship that samson has with pbc out of respect. I'm sure that he has to to clear. Hobby are for tuna without disrespecting His partners and saying that he's just available and what he's gonna do. That's wow always try to use the same professionalism that i've been watching these guys. You know my oh. Jeez you know Showcased but at the same time. I also wanted to show and and you know the word devon as as a millennial the reason why we didn't do a deal necessarily with samson or necessarily with guys than. We did this because we wanted to be able to have the liberty to negotiate like we do samson you know when it came time for this disc particular situation we wanted got back on we wanted. We wanted a legacy defining fights things that that meant things to devon and all the work that he put that he was at least putting those opportunities when we know that that that game is a very political sport. We just know as endeavour that he wants to know wants to world that he's available. He wants to go to sleep at night knowing that he's available to make the big fights those fights happen. You know as one thing or another but being in the hat we've been in a fight hobby for tuna for for quite some some some time. I've looked at tapes. On how the for tune in devon. I mean like. I've looked at hobbyists instagram up. Followed him. you know what i'm saying. You know just so yeah. This is something that the people and we thought it would would have been. He was he was one of those like necessarily gatekeepers. He was like in front of us to get to loma chink on so i spent a lot of time looking at him. I spend a lot of time of course with o. And i were to lebanon and all those things so this is a fight that has been a long time coming. You know well definitely definitely it. Let's let's work it out this week. I will not be home but the next weekend we can start school awards heart then. You need to come up with the date. Okay well you you know we we good we over here manhattan. Hired it works. I'll give. Eddie cau- i'll give me a call and then you know i mean i'm sure we'll i got your number so i can circle back and talk to you start you know. Yeah this week most like that. We're not answer the phone. Nobody always answer. I want to be sure that you understand that. The off a touch for the whole week saw up front up front. We like last time. You talked to louis louis. This is like my son so you can to him. But i will not be available. He's one okay. So that's my. We always talk. So we'll we'll you know we excited. What's next door. let's start there. What's next for Dora the burning inferno much. Let you guys go. Thank you a mistake clock. How much got forty eight minutes eight minutes for your sampson okay. Let's go all right. God bless bye so so who. Sebastian fund were fighting in most likely we have a council. Haughey go a whole k. Kota okay because covy less time so we have a contract with them so most likely these were we go with there way. Gordon david vitas vitas. David would fight the same day. Most likely ono. It this you. You would fight the early march. Any opponent is not too many that you want to take the fi so you just look busy any any any location like any. Is there like a going to be an attempt to have it where where we could have fans or is it probably going to be a close studio sonal. They i spoke with the commissioner in the that the Close you know. Yeah so there's nothing. We can do. Texas as far as ben evita's Listen i was at the wbz convention last year. And there was a lot of chatter about jose ben evita's when he was a champion. Possibly facing jamaal charles. Now the benef- isn't a champion. Does it make sense to maybe do that. Fight at a catchweight or make jamal up to sixty eight to face ben. Evita's a lucid benevides. It will find anyone dollars. The issue with the which i believe is the the money involved and i don't be sick pay per view though and i can tell you that had been one of the kind of boxer that you want to be the best any will be an ease to me. The best one sixty eight should be the way. Do you have an issue before. But always i keep like you know i treat like my own son like i treat everyone on boxers and you have my support forty-six because you had the opportunity to fight in the in one seventy five and you say no i'm sixty eight and we're paternity with big money and one title and he makes his decision that what he was he remember. He was the first few fights or events. I after the you know when when he started to be the protocol in their bubbles so he was not aware of the whole situation of the timing of the gym. All that that is. The reason in the wait is that because he's not as proficient out. Because you know you underestimate the bubble. Put it that way. Yeah do you think he will be called as canals mandatory and do think canal. Actually give this a shot or takes franchise status again. This is the same for two hundred and haney. It is in this moment. The boss is cannella so he would make the decision any steam. A how did such a good relationship with every also that the most respect for me and i know some many many many years astronaut give me a few opponents to connecticut the beginning of his career and i won't with every nostril and several a shows in mexico that i did with them punish punishing saw. We have a way that we can discuss the opportunity. But now never call me your mention maybe be this and you must have his own greece in an egg. Respect recent because he finally say she'll. I would say the same thing what i need is for. You know what i mean is is probably the most danger fighting that the canal would fight. What about the rumors that once kayla plant fight with that that everything's leading towards that cool connecticut did not been a fight. Maura plan plant juliette this year. I how i don't know because you have his personal issue two of them and you know in my case about business. Nothing personal yes. How about is personal. Speak and i believe the plan is respect bellavia. This daddy's the recent that you really want to fight him. But in the end of the day i told him to plan myself is the opportunity. Because he's a great fly that he's supposed to be people. Yeah because not only for the money. Because he's stiff to do it in a four by four enjoy samson. You only have two minutes before your your next appointment so i just wanna get in an update on jason. Rosario would be back. Most likely in the april may and he will have a big fight not the small kind of like a comeback type of fight. That's correct got it smart. Well sam i wanna thank you. Obviously for coming on So happy that you're up to date with technology thank you. You may not south park. thank you so much. I was happy new year last year. The twenty twenty. I don't count for me. So i still under h. Would it that way. I have no further for the for this year. Are you going. let's go chance. God bless you all bless. I'm so desperate for vacation. I tried to ask him. Is he going on. Because it's like he say he's turning off his phone for the next seven days a nice little quiet time. I don't know about you guys. But i wouldn't be able to. Last with my phone turned off for the next seven days. Wait wait till you get a little older again. We've got some super chattisgarh. Don't wanna thank everybody who support and we rock and now we three hours in some fantastic content. We talking boxing. We taking phone calls the number to call and one four to five five six fifty to forty one press one one time voice shipping right here on the voice be. Don't forget you could also add nesta gibbs on skype to be part of the conversation. It's looking lie. We missed a whole bunch. We're gonna go back back back back to. I can take care few of them right now. unless you wanna run down that lisa year let me just go all the way back to make sure. Because i don't even think we read real we. Gary one better terms we read. I love l. d. I left off at eight l. d. that was i didn't read that one below that in there so again did you get to the real nice one. I mean real since day one. Yeah if you only had one we got out all right after that we got show kid. I remember you said the carry. One box an expert coming soon. Charlie does way duck old. Alex jones back with another one says who buys their music. It's caucasians real since day. One says gary wanted better terms. I got that turns for haney because he knew haney was going. Whoop him that. Terrible matchup for gary expert. Says you need some spanish lessons. I got to that. I remember that potato chip real quick. Because you know okay. So real quick. He said big bill. That's the way he's like a whole. No no no no. He's going through another list. I'm sorry. I'm sorry i'm sorry before you got you got you because i was reading the last ones that we got and we had gotten coach. Meyer so sorry go go ahead go get caught up on each other's to list i'll go and francis you said you did say h l. dis. No i did not. I did not. Hey need to fight loma. Earn his respect and wbz bell in the ring fact or fiction. I mean the question is is loma. Gonna fight him not. Hey hey hey. Amy was his mandatory. He wanted to fight him. You'd think he wanted to be emailed. The belt come on. Won't you super to lomas fucking team. Who decided to axe for franchise that read it. Coats myers bill haney. How do you rank under the said that john south charlotte to my dominican. Burgess says billy bill. Laugh out loud tv nice. He wants smoke. Bill offered to fema four million. Te'o accepted when haney wants to fight term. She is sent contract. What bill laugh out loud. Tv yob being too nice. He wants smoke bill. Offer fema for million -til accepted bill. No when when haney want to fight terms she is set correct. Okay so you saying. He's saying that sent them for a million and a painting wants to fight in the term. The except i don't know i'm an pawn. Bill offered te'o four male. You accepted when haney wants to fight and then the term sheet is sick. Correct like was sent over it the other way. Bill came on his saying that he's weighing on a contract from -til so this is this is Conflicting argue little a little. A little jumbled potato chips says big bill if your son does get profile. Make sure you check them gloves because my sano hitting like a straight auto. You take a huff in that glove when he hitch daughter. Carter says do you guys spa heavyweights. Is he talking to bill. What the fuck he was talking about and he was asked if he spoke. Heavyweights play devon vs. Chicago would be a huge away. Pay per view. Fight on the level of abud versus spence if not bigger has tags stay tuned hashtag golden era and mr. Cyp says tv love match me fellas. That's right see. That's what i see. One this penned us ignorant housing year. The year in boxing comes back in matches. See what people with the five dollars. And he puts the pair emoji super sticker saying keep it up with the pair were in out with the dumbbells and sweatband like doom and da hr pear shaped body. Waker wayne he matches the love and then meet joe. Chill says bill spy straight fire. Fire fire fire more and more fire jive real matched the cyp love shout. The you grew match the cyp love and invicta manuela says or and then we got one more just came in and looks like from guy. Duke forty mr j. Let me see. I just refreshed so Smoke him out. Jay is next. He said finally got his tests. Will he make a bang. He saw gamal devon getting a test how via pin wanted to fight to man. And i know the devon devon any any gimme cats out this. Do you know any Any questions on painting. Hey hey. Haiti gets by for tuna. He takes them out in a crazy fashion. Shut up you. Mr j forty. I don't know if you've got this one. That's correct me. If i'm wrong gameboy you're not the guy but fought but he is a hall of famer. Haney you relaxed. Stop chasing and make something happen. Fortuna manley the late. Meanwhile nobody sinema patriotic. Like where's pbc at page on the way. I'm building feis. How about the jump on patriot on the from. Pvc why listen all. I know you. You gotta stop at power for pound. There's no limit on page on al hayman. Have you just want to be like. Oh his ten thousand months he'd be because of the way. Go hard literally just settled a big piece of the hundred and thirty five southbound division live on air now truly unborn on conference calls. Scott your we got people in meetings with ibm. Every we got people and we. Just you know why you know why mary. This is the people's voice the jagged anthony who sent a cup of coffee with a pair. Mulji say we've been the hand say y'all was really good. The good work shot out. He matched the love from. Cyp elam knocking out air by that is enjoying show though. I don't even want to go. I'm trying to give my man's in tom the jump on and get some love. You know there's a big fight for half year you know. He made ten thousand or something his last fight. You know six hundred k win over my head when he said that one point. I'm gonna give you what you got your last night. He goes one point five point. I was like wait. His passenger numbers. You see ncaa. He said download the video clip that a video of heinous simpson granted a fight and write. That article man gets gets shit together share. I'm right when right now. Y'all louisville slugger with the contract. Negotiations live on tv legendary. Thank you bye thank you thank you. Thank you try man. I just want work man. I just wanted work. Just gotta save victims on. Willow says tb delay man. I did that but it's all good. What was saw my stomach ribs. Touch him right now. And i'm still by your. You ain't even lying still doing jim. It's like ios time to work. I but i guess that said we let me see going down a line info josiah's jumped on was goody goody jo now rocking with the joe portion of the show we call yoyo. The voice of the people is no equal. What's up tv. let's go a man y'all like lava man y'all starting off twenty twenty one man. Y'all fire man. Yo put on their pound for pound work. y'all need to hit them thumbs up subscribe. Do what you gotta do a all the haters who the down thumbs-down y'all tripping and y'all haters made pamphlet pound work. Yo set out to bill haney man. Kelly stand-up joe if he can't get the tea yo fight. May i like the ford tuna like man. That's a that's a great fight man for me right now to start the year off me. He can get their first. Dan follow up with the o. Fight man that's gravy. Y'all ness i've been telling you man you your call is being promoter you had culprit going here yesterday saying that he wanted to be a raft and water wars that he got images in pros call in the be on a border war shobra if a man named wanted to be the thought i was the thought we was having a real show and i was like. Wow that's that's when i was like wow man i just yo look like anybody man you know. We need that Financial backing but yeah. I think we can put on a show but the issue's always going to be getting the tv right like we still need to broadcast man. I'm playing a lot of this week. Mad thing it's up to a meal. I'm telling you i'm invested in that city. Not being be mad. I see the business. You got shit honest. Making goes the aces on live on his show. You match making good. You know what. I'm saying so demand the future is gravy for y'all man rocking out man. That's all i got people to go. Work salute go man is going to be able to meet in march thirteenth saturday. Going down. he's going to be announcing the fight. So he'll be our version of jimmy lennon. Michael buffer david diamante gone. Have your own. Ain't no show without info joe and is beautiful because now you can't put on a show without info But yeah man Listen i see a lot of people taking shots at. Pbc remember samson just told you guys have such selective hearing samson just told you they might be multi as a is and. He had no paperwork with him but his fight afford on on. Hbo so what he's telling you is out. Don't got no paperwork. Where his fighters but how he told you literally to interview you. Don't bite the hand and feature. So yes yes we are going to go talk to our and see what's up and yes should ask please. Last fight was a paycheck from our. But that doesn't make him a pbc fighter and he said clearly like when he gave the example with He said that he never had a contract with them and they really didn't have a contract with. Hbo lake. basically what he was saying was that he isn't tied to anyone. But this is a courtesy that he was going to extend. Because that's how you continue to do good business with people and that's how you don't burn. Bridges imagine he does he says need out for this one. I don't need for this. I'm gonna go do my own thing because i can. But then what happens with after that and he wants to get anyone continue doing business with them. Let us know what you were doing. If he stiff some one fight of then david benham vitas. All of a sudden can get a shot all of a sudden. it's hard to get fedora. A fight on on on the network and the stand. So you just don't do that you just don't you do what he's doing. But listen. This guys listen. Ron fees have year incumbents young. you got knocked out. I think right but it was a pbc fight and samson. Got him that you know. what i'm saying. Hymie was undefeated for chris. Colbert and samson. Got him that. So yeah you ain't gonna burn them bridges when you get all your guys fed. You're not just not they. Burn one bridge because you get in one other check some of the place hawk. Maryland can maryland hawk hawk really marilyn with us right out of forget. Mostly what gonna say. Anyway i had to get one thing straight marvin hagler twice them anyway. Marvelous marvin hagler that do you know usually saying about nobody else. Mom mom nagla was the greatest one of the greatest fighters ever when he john regarding move with mugabe who was killing people but aglet was fighting people that nobody will fight was beating the hell out so our don't don't disregard statement. Mom was the greatest fighters apple but anyway and was very russell. I doubt seriously that's going to happen. I would love to see that fight no question but the same guy wrestling in the same bed. Which avoid dimitris andrea. April came at the same time as they constituents. Is there other. You know the carlos and all that and they seem like they made moves that weren't right because all of their constituents are making moves. Even guys coming up behind him are making moves and getting very in a very popular so these are like the best dudes no question boxing wise to the to the box fan. But they never crossed over for some reason. And so it's hard for to so milwaukee. So why can you hear me my my back near me by interviews mad much love and respect. I got too much today. We're listening Nurse you got a mind up there. And you gotta luigi aka mario mario you'll you'll fucking dick holster for everybody who come on and giving interviews all you do is agree with you got there and did holster. Look that's all. I got much love and i got a hit you on the back in because i'm a got a sign. That does the patriot yang. I'm out one. The you weirdo for that. Well pat selfish shit up. Just when i thought he wasn't angry he still showed he's angry. He's oh that man for real like he can marley's so happened to coach. My is cheat here. he had a boomerang canopus. I thought he was on their thought. He thought he was a there for a long time listener. Is something happened. Two blocks owner mind nasty stage. Play me but i saw a boomerang pay four dollars a month on the micro why you want to coach john. That's what they need to do. Y'all i'm men in our list. Get me hosed my name. I didn't get one call of anyway. Listen elise at least appreciate the forty dollars somehow. Ri- you you terrible. You know. I appreciate it. First of all listen man. I got this you want. Plus this is a completely different skype. These guys are on the same one as samson and bill. That's a whole nother skype okay. Then we got a whole nother computer with blog. Talk right then. I'm texan heavier. i'm texan a female. I'm texting tiffy. Most senior bill haney samson luek like come on champ. Give me a break. Gimme gimme a break. I'm trying plus. Plus i'm here in emojis and switching the scenes on the damn coach. Go way back here at home. Every super chaz taking all the way to the back from the ones that they miss i gotta refers like he he goes into neo female mode forgets he. Has you know the rest of the f. codes show their marlins so ic- this is how they do me man. That's crazy was nikki. I guess was good man. Say man y'all keep doing your thing man Love the show. And i've been in and out you know standing in the day in and day out so i can't listen to as much as i want to. You know i'm always hit. Hit the thumbs up. Everybody else ought to do the same thing and You know stay on nest champ you fill me scochat ruin five. Oh four would rue. I'm so fabu was good. Piece of francis get Good show today. Just carlito's touched on his. Make sure you guys do something to protect the content of what happened today because we had serious tinkle and eddie on years ago allowed websites that posts. That information and didn't give you guys credit so make sure you know. Put it out there that this happened on this. Show you guys you know. Put everything together so no one could. Just pull that information. I can you guys credit. That's good yeah that's always going to be up to the people man. Choose to give the credit not man. It's just about more rules right like how how you feel about publishing an article and not explained into your audience where the source originated from candies. Slim fava one says. Don't worry the caucasians will take care of it. Sale says. I want my two dollars back. You ain't read my supachai ha. It's one which one which one we miss. And in the meantime we gotta win over your head over his head. Only two dollars bet every month to us. Wait a minute where is it. I just ray alliot. Oh as you read anyone two dollars back to say we to get it at all is to use it. Sound like a corny zone. That's why can get it. Did over was clever haha funny but it was clever wisconsin. So the at Yeah i like that. I got the amish bar. Joe's i wanted over five hundred this year route to among back. that's more of me artwork. Even though it should be allowed to wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. This is coming from god. It tells me him and medica sell out his ball for la. Fai you telling me and devin cancel it out talk about not that small found alive condition okay. They got a lot of old love radically. That had a very heavy hispanic community that we invited so far so major put on the back like that. There's nothing like that for well over thing going on and nobody really so that you do the summer hit turn people away the simple fact being in on the whole thing in there at all day you make money. I make money on a good show rather fight from the car. It just may allow was on your pocket for the venue for the day production. I won't dead man. Boorda was eleven. Gotta beat in man. I want the lights. I wanted to smoke man. I want the dj man. You sold me going down the whitman man. I mean. I guess you ain't got a win. We could always get away. No could we could sell his comeback story in his hometown. Your that kid this. I gotta do my job in promoting and i'm promoting. You know that there is the possibility to guys get in. Arenas possibility that you win on news baby. Move back off about that. When i heard real aid miami. We looked at the video. You know Back what are even is named pat. Take i sent them. The footage tank might not be fighting this time. Eddie pool dow that was tanks fi. So i sent them stevens footage but he has not agreed to the stephen fight. And before get into stephen footage he did already say like oh if exile might not be gone anyway because you know whatever so yeah. I don't know if he's taking steven but what happened to the man. I'm just waiting on that. What is mad. But i really bad. I told him yet. Have come down to my. He can't work against another by amateur record. You can have like a real the olympic. Look at what. He looked like he can match them up. But i wanted to take back now for sure for sure. I was just trying to get some for joining carter because we you know we don't really have heavyweights that experience. And now we got someone so. That's all on the laugh today. We're going to be my combined today. And it was my fault for sure adrian. That's everybody man. See why we got the cyp right. He did yes we did. Was there another one still hanging. It was. I thought he might add another one chatter for supercharged from sale. Milwaukee who says. I want my two dollars back. You a re my super cia. Now you got to again no dog. I'm reading it again. Sarcastic because wack. I realize they would renew twice. Now you'll meet you. Listen listen listen. I pay more a month with you guys than i do with. Espn zone and showtime combined. So it's not pay for boomerang. It's not about the perks. Because i don't use none of the perfect boomerang i do the show. You guys love and support If i was ascribed to any other place and i pay forty dollars a month and now you can get a coffee. Whatever trusting them calling them up cussing and canceling that shit. So i'm just saying just showed a patriot a little bit more. Let they like you appreciate okay going to go and say on the previous the patriots sometime. I don't think you do brother wa be. I mean look how you do i do. I got some calls. One of my calls us about the in the show. So you tell about the industrial me. You samson luek vision bill. Haney ain't thinking to the patriots won thinking then the casual polyphony talking boomerang gonna quarter who don't listen to the pill call but that's not the thing but that's what i'm saying if i forget your call because i'm in the mix of getting to spontaneous non-scheduled four whole happening people. Do you need the highest for people that could get. Keep you on your job and help you out a little bit more. I got four. I got four people but they don't have access to the sky can't see that unless they call literally which you elephant you read my chair. You know you know. I was on there. You see. who's skype you on chat. I don't get to see witness. Says so when i see it on the chat when you say i'm owning in blood saga so said dude stewart up to my soul food cash man boy cash is coming on caches man. I don't do that. Don't do schedule food for the for the twin or the nineteenth i gotta check. But he's scheduled me he's scheduled. Check the coun-. Well don't forget tomorrow morning. We're to have bir- main saverne live. Let me send his men a mess. Dirty eastern wednesday. I two bigs thursday. We were tentatively scheduled with savannah. Marshall in the morning it's nine thirty eastern am and then thursday for the flagship show at eight thirty eastern pm. Kayla plant so. That's not going to be a day. You're gonna wanna miss. You're going to want to cover both shows and friday chris. Glover is on So this is not on this not this week. He's on monday code monday. I got it here monday. Eight and i thirty. We got we got him in the man. We got it all. And you know we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do guys you know we've been talking about it in the back but we're probably going to be posting once we got schedule filled. Then we're going to be posting the schedule of injuries or we're going to have on the community tab that's dope sure that marieke could probably write something up or something real quick and make sure that you guys you know. Know ahead of time when these Interviews already scheduled sometimes like net says man. He's doing a lot of stuff back there because sometimes he's just trying to make things happen. Organically for you guys. So sometimes you won't know by certain interviews being a A scheduled because they are being done on my show so from now on. We'll try to go ahead and put a schedule out there. So that you guys can go on the community tablet just kind of check it out and be anticipating you're excited for some of these and you want to see some more than others so you don't wanna miss them well. You better hit that notification bill to and subscribed so that you don't miss out let's go. Let's go hers.

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From Frankston to Phillip Island with Vikki Petraitis

From the Files

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From Frankston to Phillip Island with Vikki Petraitis

"Welcome to the September two thousand nineteen stolen Stolman of from the files that companion podcast a case for true crime before we get into today's episode be sure to connect with us on social media case Kayce Sunday school fall is at twitter handle find us on facebook at facebook dot com slash case fall on instagram at case fall podcast and you can even while I may on twitter at case fall host this month we're joined by special guests to Viki detritus a bestselling author who has written over a dozen drew chromebooks on books covering several cases aged on case fall including episode twenty three francs. Than Serial Killer episode twenty four the Russell Straight bombing and up beside site eighty bet bonnet. Vicki's lightest book is taught old inside the law twenty five years of true crime writing and phages a collection of her favorite. I personally influential and most memorable cases in this new book Vicky Discusses. Why when and how she came to focus on the true crime stories she is covered over the course of her career but before our interview with ricky here the latest case updates for this month in episode the threat from the files we provided an update on the family court attacks that occurred in Sydney between nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety five coveting episode thirteen of Case Fall we at London numbers setbacks and ongoing delays in the trial of former fought Leonard John Warwick who is facing charges for four cans of murder one one of attempted murder and wounding maiming with an explosive substance since last update works trial resumed in the New South Wales Supreme Court August Twenty Six. He's now being represented by new solicit. I Ain Benson on the first day of the Ray commenced trial far and rescue assistant commissioner. Rub McNeil testified that the knots taught around the body of the first vainly quote attack victim Stephen Blanchard at p. Two Bay quote Pretty Pretty Messy. Hey does not believe that. The top of knots expected to be used by a firefighter. The trial is ongoing in the first episode of from the files. We covered an update on case fall up beside twenty four the Russell Street bombing in which twenty one year old constable Angel Taylor was killed and many others injured by a car bomb placed outside the Victoria police headquarters on Russell Straight in Melvin Sebei Day in March nineteen eighty six six craig minogue was one of several people charged with the crime he was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment with these non parole period expiring wiring in September Two Thousand Sixteen the Victorian state government has since made an attempt to amend existing legislation and introduced a new bill tecate men note behind bars the Corrections Amendment Parole Bill Two thousand eighteen specifically names men note and states he may never be granted granted barral unless he's in imminent danger of dying or so incapacitated that he is no longer a danger to the community. We previously explained lane. That minogue had alleged an appeal against these new legislation well. The High Court has now returned their verdict ruling the bill is valid valid therefore minogue will not be eligible to apply for all aspects peasant from the Victorian Guffman started parole is a privilege not wrought and the laws upheld today in Shaw Craig Minogue will serve his full sentencing prison. Police Work Doc toil asleep to keep the community safe. If you kill a police officer in Victoria you should not give her all the second edition of from the files fainted and update on episode thirty of Case Fall the Claremont serial killer along with an interview from wwl based journalist. I Tim Clark in August two thousand nineteen article for the West Australian newspaper. Tim has since reported that top lawyers have requested that the upcoming Claremont serial killer trial beloved strained Fulmer Chase Justice Wayne Martin explained that transparency helps build and maintain public public confidence in the Australian Justice System Senior Perth Barrister. Tom Percy said the days of the core being seen to do their business behind closed doors with robes two weeks using mystical language along gone and donate to be seen to be over it. Is Tom Western. Australia used the technology available today mystify the justice process and the clam on trial could be the catalyst for that team clocks article Google states. There are several considerations to take into account including the names of twelve witnesses have been suppressed and the names of living survivors of the accused accused cannot be broadcast a decision as to whether any parts of the trial will be live streamed. He's up to judge. Steven whole uh yeah next update relates to case fall episode fifty three the area ripest original not STOICA also learn as the golden state killer the accused Joseph di Angelo who is being charged with thirteen cans of Moda and third and cans of kidnapping appeared in court in Sacramento on Thursday August twenty two way. He's case was continued until January twenty two two thousand twenty according to the report on Oxygen Dot Com as the angel. I was being led out of court someone called him at Boston and showed that he should running hell. Sacramento County public defender Dwayne Howard told chaos news the case was continuing due to the amount of evidence and the Tom Needed to process assessable it could be several years before the trial starts and when it does it could last several yee's we spoke with Jen Carro Harrow whose Father Lyman Smith Ben Stepmother Charlene Smith murdered on March the tank nineteen ninety in Ventura California Limon's a business partner Joseph was initially arrested for the crimes but during pretrial hearing it was determined there was insufficient evidence to make a conviction endow sip hip was subsequently released it was elated determined lawmen and Shaw Lane were victims of the garden state kill you can fall into more information mation about Jen's experience with a case on her blog Jin Carol Dot Com. That's J. C. A. R. O. L. E. DOT COM and to podcast totaled Jennifer Carroll the podcast she attended de Ngelo racing court appearance and DC tell us more about it was typically hot day in Sacramento and we had had our expectations said that it was going to be a very very short court date. It was so short that some people plucked opted less than a minute. The Angelo came in he was very thin much more than than than we expected. I think maybe we speculated did later that afternoon was with a bunch of other survivors that maybe he's lost as much as seventy counts he was so thin that the chains that were holding his were around his waist and holding his wrists were dripping down his backside. Maybe twenty inches of chain was hanging off the back of him. Just extremely unusual. When we first started attending hearings over a year ago he had some girth around the middle and so those chains were snubbed now. They're extremely loose before we got started that date for the first time the district attorney spoke to victims in the courtroom prior to letting anyone else in that that was really nice because they set our expectations very well about what was about to happen not so much that the hearing that happened that day which was short but what's about to happen in the coming coming year and they think that we might be hearing more from the Angelo. I'm assuming that must mean maybe a plea and I I'm absolutely absolute expecting not guilty and that we may start to have some courtroom time coming soon and again nothing definitive. Nothing that I could make make a bet on but my feeling is that there's some things that are going to start to move forward. We were all pretty happy to hear that since this session we knew it was going to be fairly significant but they're waiting waiting to do is finish discovery. A lot of discovery has been handed over to the defense. It's just they heard about the seventy percent mark they said and they just got another thirty percents. They're cataloging they being the prosecution is cataloging organizing so the defense does not spend a lot of time going through the discovery just to catalog Organiz everybody. Everybody seems to be doing their best to help each other move through what I can only imagine as a landslide of discovery when we were done. The district attorney spoke to us told us to expect then deangelis human. The court was really patriotic. This was another thing that was highly unusual. The first few hearings we had judge sweet. This is a new judge and the courtroom in the county jail so it's a very artificial setting. It's not like what you would expect a real courtroom to be like and Deangelis does come and stand in that cage and so knowing how fast things went when we left right right near the end we did hear someone speak out about love which is not allowed. They run a pretty tight ship seeing him be so thin. It makes him look much older than he is. A belief seventy-three it makes him quite old like maybe in his mid eighties because he's lost so much weight. He also tends to be a mouth breather so his mouth hangs open which is odd to me and he doesn't have this the level of alertness. You might expect especially if you're coming into a courtroom where your future is going to be judged he he didn't look alert. He looked a little more passive now. Other folks had different impressions. That was my impression but what I've left with in in the days that followed is that I'm very concerned about his health and his ability to function mentally and I'm worried about the level of nutrition. He's getting if he chooses not to eat. That's one thing but at some point he renders himself incapacitated because he starved himself for especially starved himself up nutrition. I don't understand who's responsibility that is to keep him healthy and well and I don't know what the ethical responsibility to keep him healthy and well so those closer some questions. I've been wrestling with sense. We saw him at not seeing him again until January twenty second. That's another four months. That's even longer. It's five months the chances of him losing more weight or becoming more frail bothered me. It bothers many of us want to be able to stand trial and there's no the reason based on the man that was arrested that he shouldn't be able to stand trial unless something happens at the jail that prevents him from doing so. I asked agenda if she would be back in court for the Angelo's next court appearance on January twenty two. I will absolutely be in court. I committed to being there. You're not just to watch how this trial progresses but also to support other survivors to are there. It's become really important part of my life episode fifty six case fall covered the murder of twenty six year old nurse and native Colby and included details about the homicide victims support group recreated by her parents Gary Greis Lynch in Nineteen ninety-three Gary and grace worked tirelessly for the group until their respective postings housing's in two thousand and eight and two thousand thirteen when we released our episode plans were underway to construct grace's plice a trauma recovery recenter where children and families would receive assistance when grieving the death of a loved one through Hamas todd on September seven two thousand nine sane. The Daily Telegraph newspaper reported that grand has officially being broken in the western Sydney suburb of Dune sought and construction of grace's place is now set to begin the facility aims to offer a home away from home and will include twelve bedrooms designed to accommodate twelve children and their auto cares the meeting room music room playroom quiet area guardians and cancelling and therapeutic programs a native sister. Katherine told The Daily Telegraph quote following the death of Neda. My parents devoted their lives to making certain that something good should come come from something so tragic their involvement with the homicide victims support group helped to sustain them on certain that they would be more of this project checked and all of the support and nations that have been provided particularly in the local black town area. I wish my parents where he today. You know that they would be extremely proud. Grace's place is expected to be complete by Meet Two thousand twenty one the previous episodes of from the falls have included several updates in relation to WEAP- Ninety five case fall. Tom Brown uh two years after his disappearance. In Two thousand sixteen tomes remains were discovered off like Muffin road on the outskirts of his hometown of Canadian Texas. US law enforcement have been cautious about relaying information about their ongoing investigations tomes. Mom Penny make spoke to us about about what she was told when he's remains found very little at the time that they found in Bay would not release who found him. They wouldn't tell her how much of the remains they found any of the condition of the remains for abate just very little as the investigation continued to eight bucks or banners were erected in vacant lot across from the Ham Hill County courthouse the House that read justice thome at killer is among us within days. The bananas had been vandalized with someone cutting out the woods. It's a killer is among US penny talks to us about the Benes we had gotten the banner and we'd had him for uh while we just hadn't gotten them put up and so we put them up right before the fourth of July and not for any reason because about four we got to it and so I guess there were lots of people here for the fourth of July sensitivity and and some people I guess were offended by the wording and so they cut the middle out when we asked if there were any suspects for the vandalism penny responded now I did talk to the deputy and he said they didn't have anything on August. It's twenty one two thousand nineteen. The office of the Attorney General of Texas relates to statement announcing the investigation has been suspended indefinitely pending pending the discovery of new evidence it explained investigators had exhausted all available resources and spent thousands of hours on the case and found found quite no viable evidence that would delay a reasonable person to conclude that foul play led to the death of Thomas Kelly Brown the Bogin News Herald newspaper asked Philip Klein the private investigator retained by Tom's family to investigate the case if he agrees a great with a conclusion cline responded quite the simple answer is we are not there with the attorney general yet they they didn't come up with any logical conclusions on home. Assad will sue Assad. We have is a buddy and way of back to square one. We feel horrible for the the Attorney General because they have busted their butts off. We want everyone to understand that we are going to take a breath and go what we've done. It's no daiva not even close to being over weight continuing now so out of the investigation penny make told news channel ten she I was disappointed with the conclusion and still believes the circumstances of Tom's death indicate foul play quite you have a car at least as ten miles as the cry flaws from where the remains of found and you have a phone that was found in excellent condition eleven months after Thomas went missing along with a backpack that was found several miles down the road to me that does not add up to no foul play Philip Klein light at tall to the Bogie News Herald. There are several anomalies in the case starting with Tom's fine which was found in perfect condition during a public search of like a Muffin road almost a year after his disappearance inclined revealed that both hey and Tom's family was summoned to the sheriff's office. That's where it was suggested that I had been in possession of the phone all along and had cleaned it before the surge client who was shocked and angered by the the allegation took part in a polygraph test and passed. Klein also claimed that any major Tom Pumping gas on the night of his disappearance. Quote surgically disappeared and the Hill County Sheriff's office claimed I do not recall that piece of evidence despite Tom's mother and sue of Kline Staf remaining remaining adamant that dinosaur clone also highlighted the distance between Tom's remains and the location where he's vehicle was found asking. How do you kill yourself will be home? Assad and Gio cars fifteen miles away tomes remains were fan to neem oil markets will bovine like Mavin road by Hill County Sheriff's deputy plying Gregory who claimed to be out searching for deer antlers and scat while he was on Judy climbed questioned why would a deputy of him Peel County Bay on Judy in his patrol car looking verandas and fall into body cline also revealed to the Bogie News Herald that months before Tom's body was recovered during a large scale search deputy gregory was parked Caen Morrow market twelve on April three two thousand nineteen handbill county attorney call Mila Pen to let to defense attorneys and he's in the area stating he was no longer accepting cases that had been investigated by deputy. Gregory citing factually shoes that cast doubt on his credibility. Hello Nila had refused to accept multiple cases investigated by Gregory in the past due to quote lack of sufficient probable cause and MEESE application of the law as a result of Milas. LEDA deputy Gregory was fired from the Hampton County sheriff's office justice just a few months after discovering. Tom Brown's body on September five two thousand nineteen. It was reported that someone had covertly recorded the private meeting at the Attorney General's office where it was revealed. The investigation was being suspended upon the belief that Tom had taken his own law. This meeting was held behind closed doors before the public announcement was made penny make told us I guess a recording was released to be editor of our local paper. She claims to have transcribed but it is very in my opinion. It's not from an information is not accurate present at that meeting with the attorney any general he's assistant members of Law Enforcement Philip Klein and demand is of Tom's family and NASDAQ PORTER's regarding covert recording being Philip. Klein told the bogey knees herald quote. We have very disappointed in whomever did that. We did not record it. transcribe it. He used the person responsible for the lake to resign immediately quiet. No excuses do the right the thing and resign you have heard the family you have heard the case and frankly you have heard the public at lodge. This is a very sad add move in this case for someone that really does not have any interest in solving the Thomas Brianna case. We smell politics but we are not ready for that yet. Get Penny makes fun. Oh message to us was still searching for answers. We still don't have answered mm-hmm on September fifteen two thousand nineteen a small group of tones family and friends gathered at the first Presbyterian church in Canadian to one at Tom on what would've been his twenty first birthday following the service. Penny told reporters Farai base eighty seven knees. We don't know really Lee what our next steps are. Will what we're going to do what we can do what we can accomplish. If it's God's will for us to have answers about what happened to Thomas the nets what will pray for the fun on news update. This month relates to case fall episode one are non Blanco in previous episodes from the files. We revealed that convicted serial killer. Ivan Malaysia has been diagnosed nuys with terminal cancer and some were anticipating that he would provide a deathbed confession regarding other unsolved missing person and murder cases. He's suspected it of Bain linked to but any hopes of that happening have seen Spain squashed malate has instead pen to three page letter to The Sun Herald newspaper declaring his innocence for the murders of James Gibson Deborah everist Simone Schmidt Gabor Gabella and you have shade Joanne Walters News and Caroline Clarke Retired New South Wales police investigator Sean Roach who worked on the ballistic investigations into the case told the woollen daily advertiser newspaper quote it comes as no surprise to me as I'm sure it comes as no surprise to anyone that was involved with the case that he's adopted this position and maintained his innocence sold. The white through while heaven has an admitted to braiding basically he's. He's been extremely unhelpful. We always suspected he would be unhelpful and moving forward into the future he would bay resistant to any suggestion then he had any involvement with any of these matters. 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This Viki has twenty years experience and his pendon impressive collection of books on a range of true crime subjects her books include date dogs into individual jill cases as well as collections of stories from the Australian police force regarding crime scene investigations forensics police dogs and more a number of biggies. He's true crime. Stories have featured in episodes of the Australian television series forensic investigators and sensing mode she also works as a teacher a consultant Elton and two Ghost Dorado her latest book in so at the law twenty five years of true crime writing is available now through clandestine press the case baseball team has referenced several biggies books when researching craziest cases including the Phillip Island murders which we used for episode eighty of Case Fall Beth Bonnaud. What if you haven't already we recommend you listen to the Beth by not episode to familiarize yourself with the investigation but those who have already listened? He's a quick recap. Best Bonnaud worked as a farmhand on Phillip Island a small Victorian Orland on the southern coast of Australia. She was having an affair with her married. Boss Fergus Cameron whose wife Vivian van der on September twenty two nineteen ninety six a heated argument ensued between Ferguson Vivian in their harm and the next morning. Beth was banned brutally murdered in her Vivian was missing and Takao Band near the Phillip Island Bridge investigators believe Vivian was responsible for Beth's murder and had taken her unlock off the woods that her body was never found due to some other mysterious circumstances doubts remain. I've a what exactly happened. Vicki's comprehensive book on the case Ace the Philip. All and murders launched her career. I asked her how she came to cover. This story. How I was was a Catholic Mutasa and we went to a teacher professional development day and speak calm introducing program code the seasons pardon and the savings program was four children who is families were suffering a breakdown whose divorce or death and and the kids were withdrawn from class teachers were trying invites eclipse balloon fashion going to make sure that the kids were k. and the woman about to talk and she told the story of how a woman Vivian Head Fox family breakdown when she you actress next to family and when her son was eight her husband was having an affair and she met and she drove with the girlfriend's house and killed friend and then suicide and the family had on this program to protect children in in the memory Vivian again and so I guess overtake was being Naked King that centuries had as someone who jumped on the Greg of looking the story. I'm sitting there thinking Jesus it might be good book and so I went through the local news. IFA Office and I got some clippings from the case that the business was that the chase which will just cry are you. D- Hadn't made the news very much and so that was kind of the first Mr because I think that a case like this particularly with the feature of an and and everything comes into the justice victim you would think that would make headlines and it just it didn't and then went to the Philip all these office and when I walked in and I say to the President of the front desk are really to research the files like fin used by groupings and the editor from the news type of came out from her office and she says what do you want him four and if People WanNA watch book on this case and she said just just hold on a minute and she walked back into the office I guess made fun co because she came back and she said despite consider family and they don't WanNa Book and I guess it was really hard for me because I didn't want to upset anyone I since the family had funded the program. I thought they would want story story told but to this day I I don't know whether it was the Cameron family that founded the program or whether it was maybe Vivian Stanley family but I kind of the family would welcome miss pylons off what had happened to him but that wasn't the case so the family didn't I didn't want to be spiking to they didn't want to be interviewed and I respect bench. I was told in that ten that I needed to be very careful hateful. I had to approach the book with great caution when I started to rise it from there. I went to the carnage court bought a copy of the file and for anyone who's thinking of bigotry crimeline. Shah is a really big difference between the having a book at the eight minutes and then getting that packages first graphs but you are going to be conflict by and they usually shine internet so I had no exposure to any kind of crime scene photographs but I guess that would be great that I had how to take and to Annette defied aggression say based on injuries were horrendous and to see those in Living Callan really confronting. I guess I take a break and say you go to jail and has to on the victim by thing I will describe the Koran thing clearly and you can't do that from statement. You have to be pants and you have to you have to run about John dating so I think Philipon was working by divided. Expect the people that I interviewed. The people that I found that were fine to begins and friends of Beck's wanted tonight the truth none of them thought that what was concluded to happened happened. It just just didn't make sense and of course they will define Co from Gwenda Frost at ten o'clock on the two thousand ten by that was ah supposedly happened five without the car and that the Vienna jumped off the region suicide and think that was a ways sticking points tonight interview Glenda. I ain't J. defined. who was we took the time and these two women absolutely certain that the date absolutely certain at the time because it was only visiting for that day and people have often said to me could be mistaken but you have to understand that on that day? Got Funchal Vivian I had gone into into cal and that had coffee and they'd heard they've had been mooted and so I- horrified they're waiting glendow the woman reading online on the island she was horrified and scared because somebody broke breaking into a house and killed somebody and in the phone down the news it was reported that he was missing and that she affect and so pam who had gone back to Melvin had run Glenda Rinse. That's the woman that you were talking to define and it wasn't like there was a huge you get between the time that Glenn Pan with remembering this. It was only days after that. Glenn had the homicide scored tasings Xinghai Landry thing if she's bringing you on the phone. Why are we searching for her body under the bridge and Glen Be said I don't know and I think it was a feeling feeling in the community that Glenda was beyond my one. She was an independent witness. She had nothing to do family. She had nothing to do with fast and she was an independent witness. Who isn't it wasn't believed and it just it was I guess inconvenience and the story story of the rest of the family but it was the most people who say may be wouldn't have listed building Vivian she I was thinking of leaving with the children and enough people were really interested in speaking up for BBN. I guess that's what spurred me on to the story. When a tightening to publisher the publisher said to me he said look it's. It's quite high hi stride about a he stayed by Dinesh. It doesn't have an in game and and I. I don't think it's going to do very well because it doesn't have anything but what I drove is anticipated was affected because it didn't have an ending that has been the reason why this this case has never ever ever died down and every time we think it goes quiet something will happen or someone will get in touch and the message me of his faithful page and I just can't tell you the kinds of messages. I just got a message. The other die from MMA woman whose daughter is psychic and she spared my daughter keeps saying Vivian and if he keeps giving we had this recurring message I just get these messages over time and not peaks but people who have theory when people could be on the island and people that even say they held dinner parties where the book was passed around the case with discussed so it never toyed down for people on the island and I think as voice on that really might may choose winds is be on people when people getting touched with knee and stray on one helps focus or a wants to do research on that always pop on my research to paypal people and unborn willing to help because the case I think it kind of people's skin and I think you saw that so that it was fun sir a huge international discussion on this kind of that that what could have happened and I think we might have a naughty but I think this is also a cautionary title for true crime and if it on chafee cases really nightly sold every single piece of evidence is beyond and then messy and they're Cameron Schumer to and they don't make sense and the place will tie up the case might be quite heavily and I was just talking to a coke case detectives not guard and he had had a look at the file he'd rates follow and I was talking to human. I said there were some women normally with timelines and they're Christian but on entered and said I don't know what you're talking about the file and it seems fine to me. We've looked into we've done day and I and we convinced absolutely that efficient story is correct and convinced absolutely the busy in moded best ensuite off the bridge and I don't know world who's about and there was nothing I stayed that could have convinced him in any way shape or form that case made a second look at it and sorry I thought well but if you will close version what is really important about is that gives paypal so if I orcas. We're looking at this case for twenty five days. If I can't get an a detective then mention what the public anyone who hadn't summation and that's what they would face trying to get a working age wise with a detective. He's who's very busy telling you that any theory that you've got a ridiculous and I've got the actual file and I've got all the wheel information. Shen and you have nothing to contribute nothing to add and at swimming hot but what do they allow the Public Forum and to contribute to these things an author's Macci via should connect to and content then place on unfortunately and and the place I think Sifi particularly Victoria has refused to have anything to do with court. Tom And I think that if they sore the intent of interest even with the teachers an arrest was made and retrace and you've got a new inquest. It's been ordered Amari James Murder and even the place you can see that the council ordinance he's strong and powerful and being formed than not taking any notice of it yet and that's why I think he's going to and I made a joke talk that I did that. We just need to get podcast hosts. The soul mate is to help these we were getting such good results from cases that had never moved forward and I think that Philip Pollen is very similar. There were lots of questions and I think that somebody out there nice something and someone out there has information a Lotta that has trickled down to me throughout the years and I've kicked emotional it but at the mind that we we don't know what happened but my question go to public talks if you think him and walked into a playstation tonight and said on live and didn't do it. Could they prove that she did on the event but I don't think they could Laos Vicki to tell us more about her interviews. With Glenda Frost who was such a crucial witness when I into these Glenda she had moved through on started to research the book on you thought it happened so it was still utterly conscious but it was still quite raw in that five. Glenn Beck moved off the island and she had raised her she had addressed on shocking she he had moved to Richmond sewing feed her and Melvin and those a completely different I when you interviewed people beyond which on a real deep I literally met one woman on the street corner off the island with a flower in the buttonhole. It people were really really scared to talk and didn't understand one. I think maybe small town one getting older that you they want to get involved again be like getting publicly about some sort of social or economic backlash and the bidding on connected you on shopper. You're on a need I buy things. Did you go games. Go does corn been they could be a backlash suggests that you don't want to admit Glenda and has been panned. I'm going to shock Richmond and Glenn back in and she was really are tied to be caught up in next so there was nothing that she was. Hey I'm the one the Gulf on call or g listened to my story. She was horrified and at Twenty Nine Pan Lane who said he spoke to have to run the place and she I don't want to. I don't want to and Pam had said Yes to. She was on the phone. You have something to contribute contribute and I think Glenda fan the whole episode really really frightening and she found the whole episode the futility of all of the angst that she went through to my statement and I'm going to have it not believed that works into the wound and still quickly ring often as a good chat repair she downloads and this has really gotten under his skin in terms she knew Vivian and she was absolutely certain that it was being she said leaving asked her about something that I'm receiving yeah no doubt in the patch where that she was out and I felt that Glenn was the victim of all of this because because she could court on something much she did not want to be involved in and Glenn of course knew all of the people on the on women what shop and they had some new fans and so- Glenn speaks to goals ratio on the on the you know the key players involved Glenda was over young men who would like to use the word stalking but he's certainly following her and taking her house that we allies monks have zone in those days we had no understanding of the concept of stalking tonight. I would really suspicious but Glendon need this young man mother she was very very much of woman and she's very much court in with this all of these different connections that went to the camera and she could rewound that thanks she would misconduct out to find and no hustle solving works because of that fun cold although had someone gave me a possible a possible solution for fun call someone contacting with this theory and and again he reads a bound with his host. Nice but one of the few that avian had co defending the middle of the night of the droplet he's systems derived and and that Vivian just made to get away and made it to disappear on the on rushing the ball the richness that community Hansel and had qe it will be ms accounts looked like someone had slept on the night off to be killed and and local women who feel like maybe she ran a friend Bourbon middle of the night encyclop- coming up the keys and she just needed to get away and maybe baby she stayed community house and she just thought a need to put some distance between myself and maybe upon affair or I'd I'd love to my my family. Worry about me. Rogan invariably moving the next morning circle keeps the family gave me a source and that that she has not returned time and made that phone call. I think some may be Glenda phone call that she did what she thought were kids in the background and said that to be on can he keeps in the background and being with non-commercial down then so. I always thought that if under were wrong and Glenda was telling the truth and I had no reason to down that she was anything but completely completely honest. I felt someone nice of you more that morning. So there is someone out there who understands what happened and that person may have been the one who contributed to her vanishing will help to vanish we just signed Nari but I think that theory would explain in this fun on coal case Balls Episode Mentions evidence known as Autumn Twenty-three bloodstain hang papers found on the bed in Ferguson Vivian spare room stating she had not been injured during the fought with Douglas mysteriously. The blood talk on on the papers matched a bit bone up. I asked the Biki about autumn twenty. Three twenty three was something that wasn't discounted did until sending on the episode which is I think downloaded off to the case of exercise that was downloaded fifty thousand times it was this is incredibly interesting. Case on twenty three were discovered finds it produce on if you raid kearns files they they not as clear as what you might think so the concept take will just take lots and lots and lots of different scrapings and tiny pieces of evidence and they've just given an number so the content examined by Unin twenty-three scraped from or taken from paces from ten Lynn's bedroom and then when the results come back is pages and pages and I just I someone round Massa and then it'll say time blood or oh twenty blood and unless you kind of sit there and cross reference all of these different is and and go okay so that was from there and that was from there and you're looking at hundreds of different items and and it just got lost and win. Rhonda been who went onto one secret to fine but she's the producer of the sensing emphasized. She rang means you said go to is in twenty. Twenty from the Cameron is is on the cabin spare bid and of course that was fixed blood time and that was explained. I oh I think I always say when I talk about this case that the families statements and the blood evidence to facial seem to match so digging hitting one loss I walked into spare bedroom sat down on the bed and then I went and cleaned up and she insisted on taking the hospital so the police looking Phebe during and let them floor in his blood on the bed in this bottom pipe is on the bed and all of his Hussein behind money and Ian when they kind to get the key twin giving winter hospital it wasn't until a month license which is blood evidences. NC analyzed and comes back and I suspect that the case was pretty much closed then that worked appeared to happen seek eight the evidence but it wasn't until a month life as it is gloves with Vivian flood. Tommy is prayed day and of course point lead town and the blood donlon the python theorems actually bit but I mean what people often and understanding that it doesn't prove anything they could other thing. She worked on the farm. She could've cutting. She's handing a member of the family that python it doesn't free of anything but fittingly tints that evidence was never questioned and not sure. Cameron's were asked or had. DV Income. I'm to blading so much in that house say that no time was she injured no tongue she struck and he was quite adamant about hospital staff when they went hospital at ten o'clock at night. They noticed any injured on. Vivian headed her blood. Come to the nets daydream sane while their hospital according to his sister and brother in law had come to be there and what caused it so I think none of these nice since it doesn't make sense at all and that I can twenty-three work more yes I. I also asked to be key about the anomaly of the smashed one gloss at the crime scene yeah when I interviewed forensic investigator to constant I said to him the One Gospel according to Thurbers doupion smashed start the Saudi Kate and then studied in the backward way because it doesn't appear in any of your comments and he said Yellen on them but I said well. Would you have checked the bins. If you the narrative that you had a tag team with a Warren Gloss and that's part of the story would you have got it and he said if it had been they would've collectivist so he didn't seem to be turbot curious about it. At the time I think in hindsight big we didn't examine it harm glossed mummy named poke about how they had slipped up the GonNa go there and have a proven to being but it was neighboring them but total become part of me street because how did the marriage accuse overlong or Bamn or examined by Vicki what the current status of the investigation was independ- arrest warrant was ever issued Vivian TV racing chi-ching still listed as missing person but I'm not sure that there's an arrest warrant out for her because the Karnik declared had dade and so certainly they would each of your cheat she today but the carnage antiquated Dade and Connie declared that she had cured happened based in Crystal Mountain Ninety Seven. Who says you after it happened. Karna made a really specific binding maingate Dugan was a personal interest or responsible for it they don't uh-huh Easter ten noted and then in nineteen ninety three Oeste War's declared it and we're utilizing that she attributed to the cause of death font and this will happen very quickly and it was at the time when legally it took seven years to decrease on dig when missing and I always wondered why this happened site sauce what was the rush on Knicks Space and certainly there are about why there was a rush on that figures to in his statement that Vian wasn't worth any ink on antulay chilly but we'll we'll assets were are one hundred ninety thousand because remember the family owns the concrete vice track and she had a sham and all of that so I certainly had a copy for. We're declared worth a lot. Novi nothing whether the worst the family wanted to settle down one to move on. I don't think you can look at this case without considering the Grand Prix. Just gone through the family orange the race track the government would were around that time trying to get the contract which will go into the island. The rice trek is worth a lot of money and was it a political reason why she declared big for Quick Sukarno could have degraded I've been finding but he declared him dead and and there was really very little evidence to suggest assange from not persecution of very little evidence to suggest that she's actually date was not plenty but with no off the there was no suicide notes so how did they come to that in conclusion and I guess that Annoy Paykel as well but could be out there could be alive today but said my she declared data my my guest over her pain attributed among oil suspected Viki about Ho- bestselling selling book on the Frank Ston serial killer case todd the Franks then murders. This book is considered a classic in the true crime genre and decided as expanding true true crime rate of sheep in Australia. The case ball team referenced DeBakey's book when covering the case for episode twenty three. We provided an update about the Franken case in the I to episodes of from the falls the parents have seventeen year old victim Natalie Russell with facing the prospect of losing their home which featured applying trade I had planet as a living living memorial to de Doda but the community rallied behind them and invest to purchase the property allowing Nedeli parents to remain in the home as tenants for as long long as they wished I was watching my second book code becomes investigated out to Phillip Island older the cups range. We'd said Oh. This book doesn't workout. We've got really good stories so I go back to those place and I had asked the different stories I in writing a book of short stories about what place to and pouted that book I had gotten touch with my local place. Stationary suspension and I'm congee can ride alone. Can I just say the kind of work that you do so I found myself in Feist and run at the time that all of this was happening against shift with the Franson replacing scored and the sticking frame had just gone missing and and at stage it was one of those things where a new mother in bunch somebody over for dinner cooks up to the shop to get the milk and then adventures of the face of the earth and guts page the other stage the only thing that could happen to her with that it must have been some sort of postnatal depression shen and they couldn't imagine it hadn't the another benchmark. Brent both doing the Sheaf with communicating squad Lord Davies cottages found the seat pigment Puszta away back and give you would short and so they knew that somebody else driven that car and tensely postnatal depression and she'd gone off seekonk and beheading Vaden's extreme months she needed to break all of a sudden that ah became something much more famous stump in that a realized that maybe someone had taken her and some much torn in her at La within the calm diligent in front of a car that had been made when she had lost driven that was discovered a couple of times and that was subsequently tragedy a partner. Gary was on the front page of every newspaper Holding Little Guy Jake Nick and it was awful so then about to win films or otherwise you keep believing face. I was doing a Rod Long. Wish the front place on the Nedeli missing and I remember getting to play station and walking in Sanjiv going on the long and and I want to the back door another one's gone missing and it was a trying to describe it through how to describe the lose the sound like the A had been sucked at the station those it wasn't fancy. It was just too close a another one. Go missing right underground prices how this happened because fenced in the Pike is screaming serial killer we were two hundred extra poison Franson and and they just couldn't late at the said happened again. We such a huge place prison and timely had got into the playstation by the the back door and we're walking down to the front section. Someone who come down from upstairs where the book was were an homicide outscored tech set up during the investigation and he come downstairs and he was completely pan and he just said if founder and she stayed aid and there's just no emotion and it was just if dysphasia who it was hungry. NIGGA forget it. They didn't dishonest agent because I had commissioned too long. He said well you've got mission way going straight to the coins pain and just hoping the back and just a the word and come along and so I found myself in this is our position to be in this quiet line. Loneliness Place 'cause nights nice sirens. There's sergeant were not at the time we were not Israeli. I've thought maybe event would just start with kind of creeping trainers place own headed for the Monterey Highschool is was at the other end of the bike trek way Natalie had going down and bank titan in the by certain there will sitting third place Khan and the police helicopter and it also downshift to replace. Nice helicopter was hovering over metal night. It was probably up the hundred made in front of the place and it was shining very palace. Mike von down and rain was falling on TV may watching these same thinking. I have to write this book and I had to go because I was a local defected. Dan Richard Karn Ida and that just colty watching the stock once Kenya was caught the next day. I belong to a community making and I think the people were calling links. Get penalty and the record for or folks of things and Kamla Brian Netflix parents were an amendment looking noisy thinking. I mean have approached them. I've never really done that before. It never approached a family a ridden really from place despite us and I knew that I would have to approach these people who test doing trud on great just so she can about doing that and as it unfolded written to all of the family members and I got to make common Brian what I can understand I do now profoundly voice convene and so the story of Your door and I want to bring her lines again. I want to know what he took the ink we can get very caught up in the story of the Kimba and forget the store the beacon and so I can't understand and I found that ever seen family of the victims won't tell the story blind lunch. I respect combined. Most papal want to sit down the loss. They won't cry. They WANNA drink cups of tea have seen tens and groom headline again and I've remained terrific connected to the Russel's and when they had their race you could go to and staring down the face of homelessness. The adult don't look children kind antony and they stayed. What can you do not know what to do and it was quite an amazing aging. Experience may say okay. I write these stories and now it's time to that from rising and really explore what the cut see advisories so you liaise tweet. Mitchell Mitchell has been a great friend and supporter Awesome Nedeli with netted and they did a podcast with Stein true crime podcast and I write the scripts for this family to set up the Guy Fund me and just watch the numbers rallies. We've quite extraordinary thing but what would you please about with eight owning owning that are interested in recalling impressed with is that when they were given the opportunity mm to contribute and help came in droves and finally people would been touched by the folkston stories that it is not right become Brian Face homelessness what had happened was they had a new house. mentally died they did they can stay in the one that she had left and never returned home to so they bought the new house and they plan to trade which you mentioned in your update and it was a Christmas tree that's fading pot and instead of putting trae would decorate his train the pulse when they used to the house and Natalie would take care of it and they moved to the new house. They wanted that tray trey of course now it's on May fifteenth so it's Mac too and Bryan had got cancel Asta that ten years after Natalie dies and when you went to the doctor to say to him you know he's got bowel cancer and say we're going to really active life life by eight million roller exercise what could have voted on and the doctor said to him. Have you faced any trauma as the last decade and Broin stage would having your doors unloaded counts and the doctor said that will do it and so the coast he became so ill he lost his business and they couldn't afford to pay the house payment offending them behead stepped in and offered to buy the house from them as basement and common boy had been renting the house from from family member and then like late last year. The family member hate software defined health difficulties and needed to sell the house so we've seen he's out PICCI's calmly Brian suddenly found themselves with the pension and no mains saving the deposit for a bombed like thousands of dollars stood at one time they had hundred the bank and the least quite happily been the main. They certainly didn't have a thousand dollars for removal and they didn't feel like they could have any kind of hearing they went to apply to rent somewhere else that someone would keep it to the given that I went imported. They were retired and so they really real the the family had come to me and I said look I say what I can do but you need to tell Kamla Brian that you want to happen like this. Yvonne late which they didn't come regarding horrifies they greeted Crown paypal and they said no no we don't we don't want help but a diaper. Nira that they were going to they got their fiction noises and educate trainee that just went. We don't know what to do and I I say to them is they're just leaving now. Hand we since the opportunity for everyone. He loves you. Everyone who's admired you and admired you for being outspoken. Every time becomes up so in the media the Russell willing to be into ignites us out of their comfort zone they willing to be interviewed and stand up and be counted and I just yet people help you and and that was very foreign so that really nervous and they were really stressed that the inactivation but the community just reached out and gave him a big hug and it was just so lovely to say and then this real estate is you've got on board and he said also foreign for nothing but were marketed marketed as we want a new based on to let them stay and so he this amazing campaign and I think is relieved online on a writer he's palaces and ash martling Princeton and all of a sudden we became advocates and we became advocates to these family in their hyme. Tell you everything the thing that we we hang true to use the kind painted the house fixed it all out so they got an investor and Combo ranch you the account play anything twenty one because they had a month cooling off period or something and and she said that I wanted to let you know and I just said Oh my God come will be amazing and she said nothing to hide rice. Maybe forty one thousand dollars and on the go fund me only announced ten and that was reached in about the first day. I think the community said to them. I know that we raise the ten that made it but we'll cake eight gone and the community just didn't stop. I ninety and a lot of that. WHO's The punk community which was just incredible. So let's me is really interesting curves on cutting looking at what agency to do I had the wrong what agency to hunt Kost listeners have. How can we actually mobilize and help someone else so it's been federalists founded it launched you. Were the bike giant campaign. When the twenty fifth anniversary kind about calmly Brian had actually asked me to ask give you frames Sun by J. He was twenty five Chris. The twenty fifth anniversary come to come as two medals memorial and I felt really bad because I didn't ask him because he was homeless unless the uncertain to my publisher my simple. How could we get him. He Tama thought to come into state because he doesn't head remains to put away excited. We've had who certainly doesn't help the main to travel so we stood up the gofundme you and we raised enough money to bring him are Yukon and talk to him and it was just remarkable melding being storyteller and defending someone who had the influence to get excuse me to come over and to get him to make people in the heartland of way his mother leaves Don and even when that makes him just hunting it it was a spontaneous outpouring love which I think heated experience. He didn't understand it at all he he didn't understand. Just I think you bringing into mischief and he's not an easy life to others while in a horrible accident and I just think that he felt largely unseen changes world and then all of a sudden hundreds of people hugging him and pushing money into my hand. Thank you give to buy Jake and people would you just saw generous in so welcoming then I saw Jamaica. She wanted to run my own story now but I saw what should crime could do due at its base. You could bring to get them. Jacob said to me he said I'm really nervous to meet Netherlands parents and Alexei or older paykel in the world. Oh they would understand feel so. They got to hug human. They got to embrace this baby that come appraise for predominance. She cries for Natalie Debbie Elizabeth and baby jake and she got tomatoes so behind the scenes is extremely things that happened and if you true coins on it can really be good blogs and is very luckily get to be a part of this with the word that artery. I became kind really good friends with Nedley muscles on benefit anymore book inside the book. It's just put a picture may at my thirtieth birthday cutting my birth had cake and Brandon net lease armed is at my Obote helping me cut my Katie and I talked about in the book cal. I wasn't a journalist I tate's on and I just didn't have the boundaries so I didn't have the site became friends with these people that not only are tell the story that became a good friend and and then when she was diagnosed two five documentary died when she was diagnosed with cancer she kind to Maine. She said you're could you help me run. My listeners mentioned my for work. This is the Dave behind the same things that people don't realize did did I connected this destroys behind the stories of remarkable so I helped to voice their resignation letter declaring that she had limited time into leave in native societies on treatment and recovery but but then again it was a spokesperson and when bended died the family tend to me situation. I would've asked land and you were the next best choice because she loved to and it's like incredible. I had these. I'll tell you the story too which is really interesting when I was talking to your Burleigh for the book and we become friends also became friends with Holden sister-in-law. Melissa and Melissa wanted May- okay to she wanted to make a representative of medleys family through college is on behalf of Paul's family and she just because I would devastated we forget I think that there's the murderer has family who justice distort and justice devastated because because they keep themselves not saying the signs and Khukri nine could stop this and they would destroyed so idolize amazing when he branded food and Melissa so Melissa could offer sincere apologies and and basically just get a hug and say I'm sorry from my family animal to yours which is so so sorry this happened and right at that time this show the movie good men walking had just come out and Melissa listen wanted to stay inside because it was about the whole issue of Petra punishment and it was written by a non who counseled Amirah Woah while he was on death row right out into the end three sort with Benetton and Ballista and on one side I had banded waiting at the sayings where the family of the victim shine and affected and then aww quote Melissa Rome Yoga Way Ping at the same where the family that the Killa and I thought whoever gets to release as Roy Shaw who was a gift to see we the family victim of serial killer in the family this theory Killa on this is them and has that kind of experience and deep empathy for both voices the family fan we suffered and so I think the behind the scenes of insist on experienced as a rhinestone inherently interesting to people and particularly particularly interesting to kitchen contains Vicky has also written a book about the Russell Street bombing which we covered in episode twenty four of Case Fall when I started to true doors slamming people who I interviewed for other things and that will kind of the Russell Street bombing investigation because it was such a huge investigation the League's everywhere so interviewed Chris Connor who was the head of the Charts Tyson scored. He's take the I'm writing a book. We can code box spider to try and help panic gained just fine the traits of people who target the children but he had worked on the Russell Street bombing and then I interviewed terrific concentrates most in him were all the content examines that we had at the time boarding to investigate and examine the Uncritically Lodge Colin insane that was the bombing one of the most amazing paykel interviews and I write about him in my inside the the book was a cop. Cho Kau Denardo and count story wasn't hadn't been widely tall but he was standing at Turkey next to Angela Timah also young some and he realized twenty standing at the traffic on muscle strains on the day of the bombing he realized that he didn't know how to get to the cafeteria through the door closest to win checkpoint with lanting King and he knew how to get to through the North Door Rodman south door for involved with them waiting tried to clients with Angela he decided to double back and go regularly cook great to hate to the door that was furthest away and run at that moment and she was across the roads and Angeles crossing the right. The bomb went off and he found himself flung. Neither none how slung down the road and I Christie thought he'd been hit by calm and then he could hear explosions and he tried to spend up his leg work. You realize that he had a really severe gash in his leg and he was thinking what the hell happened. Luckily there was a couple of place officers who I will run out and drag him across cost the Roeder's but he's story was he had a state any next to Angela bone dynamics which I learned about when a bomb goes off one side there was a fireball kind of one side of the explosion and the other side of the explosion which he gone shrapnel pen flying out so we'll he was he shrapnel and really severely injured. Angela Taylor was peak with the defined bowl so he found himself in all spital. He's really severely injured and Angela Tyler was that kind of down the corridor from where he wants and so as he was in hospital his mom and dad and family visiting and they were they were talking to and comforting Angela timeless parents France and he was Kinda getting reports on head progress injuries unsurvivable but it took her a long time to succumb to injury so he wants to visit her and see on the big side she was in a coma but he didn't get to because he got infection that meant that he could when he wasn't going to be allowed to he when he and when I interviewed Takao Twenty dollars for the NFL sweet dishes at the restaurant straight bombing. I I was wanting an article Free Stein Place Journal and hey came to my house. He walks in my door and look at twenty on really have looked save out these and he talked for four episodes and just to school. Keep just going wow. This is incredible. Oh I loved that listening to call story was that he said after I heard about from people that are victims of horrible things. He said you know in a Lotta ways that bombing and my injuries courtney such important lessons in life he said when when I was nineteen when this happened is that family is so important and if you ever are in peril of family of the ones that rush teesside friends sounds great tree but your family's really important and he said and most important launch could end in the blink of an eye and that you should just grab every opportunity and gridlock by the homes and he said I've done stuff and follow career paths and night decisions to take advantage. It's just that I would have made if I hadn't been caught up in that bombing and I just spoke. He is this amazing example. If someone can experience something think catches strategy and see what comes of this like it main something and to make my life better and I think what would you say to the bombers at age Danley. Kylo still alive is clearly still on it. What would you side of the main looked at me and he the older say anything he said is that they didn't target made our tugging batori place on a store and he said quite frankly if like you thought what they win. I just thought who this guy is extraordinarily and then she looked down at his hand and he could have rubbed the Beckham pen pen and he said I still get paid for the shrapnel at work their way up through my system and what they wanted to this is my scheme and I just thought wow. It's just thinking one get to you so that was mine. I I write about the bombing from lots of different points of view because I into simony sequel who had a part of that and I think it's forever scar on Melbourne street while you're Vicki what she thought about Craig Minogue Slightest High Court appeal being rejected. I think that quite it should stay in prison forever. I know he doesn't know that he he says that he better himself and he's done the doctors and that he's a different person to the twenty only three year old but I think sometimes you do stuff that. He's so bad that you you show a basic disregard regard for human life but we can't ignore and what is the tape shown alwine runs me about the bombing was that and was the bump. Cows aren't get straight quarters. It was set to go off at lunchtime and luckily it was dyke for Good Friday only saisd and so it was a rare twine MRIs mountain but that wasn't filled with paypal but months distressingly interestingly when it wasn't to children because and teach is tikey coupon excursions to the Russell Street. Please take quarters ecause a popular excursion schools with to take kids today twenty four so that they could see communication. Daria that depletes used and that the kids would line up right outside the door with a bomb went off so I shouted to think what would have happened if they had chosen a different day and they contentiously I mean there's only one victim. Angela Tyler died but conflict column didn't die the still to this day has shrapnel coming up through the skin and I think pay goes still out there who will Egypt at Sosa an ongoing physical trauma. I'm not to mention the emotional homework happened and I think that those bonuses sit back and they didn't care who who was a victim. Just think when people have it in my head that you can do that and that that would be thing to do for whatever reason they did it. I just think that's dangerous mind. He May of two thousand nineteen right charges were all sidelight against Craig Minogue and one of his co-accused in the Russell Street bombing attack paid a raid Vicky about this when I fixed rate that had happened and my theory was that Craig Mnay was applying for parole between government had changed the Lord. What would you say you'd Never Get out. He's using he's university education to as to appeal against that and and I think the Victoria place used historical rights charge to kind of page on might be cynical about these a right charge should have always been brought against men who have tried that kind of offense but I think they might electric said to the victim. Long story doesn't serve you to bring this charge because he's he's in prison for life anyway anyway and Don traumatize yourself but when it was a thought that he could get out. Maybe they've come on. Let's do this and then he'll -nificant house. I do think that they hedging they. It shows now government protecting us from having to try. This length is in on the streets because nobody wants as paper back on the streets a May two thousand nineteen article article in the Guardian reported that the right allegedly committed by minogue and raid occurred the day before the Russell Straight attack and the survivor was in the Russell Straight. Police headquarters quarters reporting the ripe at the time of the bombings viki about this that bom planning that trunk. Oh mine was roped DOC weeks before bombing the BOM Planning and construction would've taken wakes so i. I don't know that they would have been able to the time that I think he I have not wanted her to make a statement. It would be much easier to just put a bullet in a they would've just Grad red tail off the straight happening any case Viki then told us about her new book in saw the Law Twenty five years of true crime writing adding my nipple inside the Laura came about because only had been grown in the puck slight like high school that I did and I went from audiences all ten twenty or fifty thousand people writing my books all of the sudden intending to of I've been Julian so talks that I do or flooded with people who were really came consciousness and so played unconsciousness a really interesting because curious people. This is why you go to truecar because you've worn to sort it out and you. WanNa sold that you want to think about it you wanNA connect with the puzzle and so increasingly happened with that I would end up telling not just the story of say the frank and then you did but the story of what is doing behind the scenes and when the family found a Milwaukee strict dream brought it to me that have loaned to Colgan Holguin Cereal Jila all the locations of the mid is out twitter cable faces and Little League simple and then also Thais I swear unfoldment is taking place. I find myself as a crime ride heading almost hard to take these in my landry and pending straight director gossage families saying I think there's some things that you need to into but behind the scenes stuff can sometimes be equally is interesting and that is to farm line is who want to be in their own books and they talk about. I heard about these cases. My father did that is another but I'd never done that. My stories these were always just about the case and they went about what I meant. From people that called an audio straight bombing or what I learnt from families of victims about grieving and Boston efficacy and surviving thriving none of that was coming through rising because it was about the story and it wasn't about me and that was fine. I never wanted to be land stories but increasingly the stories from become of interest maybe to Kinda stage. I always downplays what I do on just storytime. I'm just telling this story but I kind of realized that the stories the story in the panel is in the telling so pal is something that I've developed in and I like to think a lot of people come to me just to get that kind of wisdom people come to me that have suffered from Patriots Day or they come to me that they've lost a family member and they they don't know how to process it or and I've just had these kind of steady stream of papal behind the the things that I'm able to maybe help write a book or help fit them on the path to just and even Washington Journal about how they can in prices will happen to them and so I've just found myself really really unique positions like before down seeing being a movie with the family of a serial killer victim in the family the serial killer things just don't happen to people who aren't true crime rises and other than my derive most fascinating people and every culminate somewhere in every time I talk to them Aislinn something online accumulative knowledge then it means something. That's what I tried to explore in the book in Law. I think it's twenty five even online. I tried to explore just what true con means and what it meant to me and how it's changed people and you'd be surprised at how many times UNMAKE paypal at author Tokes will come up and say I read your book when I was fifteen and I became an investigator or a hang someone who Augusta Renchik colleges to come out to you Rachel cloudy when I was twenty and I it Kinda forensic psychologist because of your book and I were to expand the offended that new wrote about I'm like wow that's amazing and I said I think how I said I right that book. It was a grooming book when you're riding a pedophile and how they paraded was what was really talked a lot about that and I say to every time I started the wound unseen. This book helps one post and he can help one victims. One family eight will be worth it and she said to me she says well. I went onto trying found Pinko in my career and they've gone on to train thousands so if you wanted your book to help one thousand I'm like I had a response to think about that awesome that it's mind boggling that people had changed their life will change their career or made a career pong because of rating one of my books and I just feel I for owner to be a part of the work that I do because it's so important and I guess I've never done it for the glory of recognition by I I teach keep the school and we keep the school look at their take on just this is portrayed as a you know h there everyday on special oh but it's lovely that my work and my story go into the world and make a real difference and that has been the owner of they create fine wider and that's why I wanted to find the Lord is available on Amazon available on on Beacon Ordine eighteen and I always say to people. This is really important. If you go to a bookstore and don't have to go that you want them to order it in for you. This is really league quite barrages because if a bookstore orders the booking view then like order an extra one not thinking we might have been on the shelf and so even naughty the bookstore ordered eaten. It will be no bookstore if you WANNA find out more about Vicki and Karm projects follow her on social media media. I have my authors page which I really have time to do at the moment but multiple content may just keep try to walk a page and nuclear. Click like and get all of the update on talk that I'm doing a workshop so I'm running and any events thank you to Viki portrays speaking with case fall listeners will find a link in the show nights to Vicki's facebook page and Amazon pages the books mentioned in this episode. If you're interested in early release at Frei episodes of case fall and from the files plays visit Patriae on dot com slash slash case ball. Thank you for listening and we'll see you in the next episode of from the falls.

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Tuesday, June 30, 2020

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Tuesday, June 30, 2020

"Summer's here and it's time to enjoy the season that means it's time to feed your yard with Scott's. It's easy to help your long stand up two summers where and tear. Lush and green and help prevent those brown spots. It's time to get outside and enjoy every day. And Scott has got you covered. Because even though this summer may feel different, the best things never change, so let's get to it. It's time to enjoy your yard Scott's. It's good out here. From Washington D. C. This is Westwood One Daily News for June thirtieth twenty twenty, I'm John Trout. The House, take steps to counter president trump's recent efforts to abolish obamacare correspondent. Linda. Kenyon has that. The yeas are two hundred, thirty, four, that are one hundred, seventy nine. The bill is, as it was a mostly party line vote to pass the Patient Protection Affordable Care Enhancement Act Democratic Representative Bobby. Scott Outline what the bill aims to do. This bill makes improvements to the affordable care act by reducing premiums, expanding coverage families representative Scott also says the bill lowers the cost of prescription drugs. Those another side have criticized reduce. Reduce prices because the potentially could reduce investments in research, but this spell offsets any such reductions with significant increases investments in research at the National Institute of Health and Scott says Americans deserve a break on the cost of their medications Americans. Pay Twice as much three times as much as ten times more than those in other countries pay for the exact same drugs Republican Virginia Faulk says the bill doesn't accomplish any of the. The things the Democrats say it does no innovation, investment or solutions, just more of the fails status quo from how Democrats which will go nowhere. Republican Greg Walden echoed those sentiments here. We are wasting time on a partisan bill that has zero chance of becoming law. This is no way to govern at anytime, but especially in a pandemic Democrats brought up the bill because of the GARONA buyers pandemic. They acted just days after. After the trump administration argued before the Supreme Court that the affordable care act or obamacare should be invalidated if the administration succeed some twenty million people will lose their health insurance in the midst of the pandemic Democrat. Frank Pallone says that's why his caucus had to act the patient. Protection Affordable Care Enforce Enhancement Act lowers healthcare and prescription. Drug costs expands coverage for millions of Americans and reverses the trump administration's year low. Low, year's long effort to undermine Americans. Access to quality and affordable healthcare representative Scott says the bill also protects patients with pre existing conditions, revert criticisms, but no description of a better alternative president trump has often said he would protect coverage for pre existing conditions, but has not offered any proposal to accomplish that, but representative Faulk says were Democrats are proposing is both wrongheaded backwards. What they do guarantee is government control with rationing? Rationing Fox could be right when she says the bill is going nowhere because it is highly unlikely that the Republican controlled, Senate would even put it to a vote. And if in the unlikely event had were to pass in the Senate president, trump has vowed to veto it. Linda Kenyon Washington despite spikes. In a number of states, the White House is encouraged about the state of the ongoing coronavirus outbreak Terry Moore reports. Reports press secretary. Kailua mcenaney said this during a news briefing. We're encouraged to see that. Fatalities are coming down that this Sunday I believe we had our lowest fatality. Rates Sense I flew. Was March twenty seconds so late March? She was pressed about corona. Virus surges and more than a dozen states, notably Florida Texas and Arizona where aware that they're embers that need to be put out by was pressed again about president. President trump's reviews all to wear a face mask so I talked to the President before coming out here he, it's his choice to wear a mask. It's the personal choice of any individual as to whether to wear a mask or not. He encourages people to make whatever decision is best for their safety, but he did say to me as no problem with mask, and to do whatever your local jurisdiction requests to view. At the Capitol New York Democratic Congressman Hakeem Jeffries the administration's response to the COVID nineteen crisis has been in. Mitigated disaster, there are now more than two point. Five million confirmed cases of Corona virus in the US and the death rate has exceeded one, hundred, twenty, five thousand I'm Terry Moore in Washington intelligence leaders will back up president trump the White House says that he was not briefed about what Russia is alleged to have done. Offering bounties for Americans killed in Afghanistan the latest from our White House correspondent Bob Costantini. It was still up in the air according. According to White House Press Secretary Kaley mcenaney of whether there is any truth to the baseline story reported by The New York Times that Russia was offering to pay bounties to Taliban. Militants in Afghanistan for killing American servicemembers, true or not one thing. She wanted to make clear the CIA. Director NSA national security. Advisor and the chief of staff can all confirm and neither the president, nor the vice president were briefed on the alleged brunch Russian bounty intelligence. Intelligence with the word alleged mcenaney going along with the presidential tweet from late Sunday nights where Mr Trump said the intelligence community did not find the bounty reports to be credible and some community leaders from Congress were being briefed close by White House press secretary, Kelly mcenaney suggesting there was no need to tell president trump in March about accusations against Russia. That might not be true at all. There is no consensus within the intelligence community on these allegations. Allegations and in fact, there are dissenting opinions from some in the intelligence community with regards to the veracity of what's being reported in the veracity of the underlying allegations continue to be evaluated so suspect is the wall intelligence mcenaney indicating the president still has not been briefed on it speaker of the House Nancy. Pelosi is demanding an all members briefing at the Capitol, and by the way the high confidence. Forget that I mean in other words if you. You have something of that threat to our troops. You pursue it. Certain Committee Democrats will be briefed today by the White House since GOP members heard details yesterday, but Republican Jim Banks Congressman from Indiana and member of the armed. Services Committee tweeted. I just left the White House where I was briefed. Chief Chief-of-staff Mark Meadows and top intelligence officials. They discussed New York Times hit piece falsely accusing President trump of ignoring reports that Russia placed bounties on American soldiers. Soldiers in Afghanistan Bob Costantini. Washington the case of one of the most notorious distant and murderous crime sprees in US history has come to an end. The man accused of being the so-called Golden State killer has admitted to the crimes. Here's Jim Rupe with more victims, victims, families and survivors have waited at least forty years to hear the the golden state killer. East area rapist. The Vice Eliot ransack all monikers given to now seventy four year old former. Former police officer Joseph di Angelo who, over a ten year period across the state of California, during the nineteen seventies and eighties murdered at least thirteen raped at least fifty in burglarized about one hundred or more, the Angelo appearing in sounding frail, dressed in an orange jumpsuit, and wearing a clear face shield and a ballroom, at Sacramento acting as a courtroom in order to comply with pandemic public safety mandates. He listened along with the judge in everyone else. Else, as district, Attorney's from across California gave the gruesome details of the Angelo's crimes, feeding him in the head at least twenty four times, causing massive brain, damage and bleeding after shooting him once in the face, was unsuccessful in killing him that night while her husband was tied up, the defendant raped Charleen Smith against her will by means the force violence duress menace and fear of unlawful bodily injury to herself and her husband. He tied her wrists together. Then brought her ankles to her wrists and bound them to arrests. And raped her. The defendant then beat sharing in the head more than ten times with the same weapon he used to kill Greg. Some da's even able to detail, the callousness and sociopathic nature of the Angelo's axe, saying after some of the crimes, he ate the victims food, a defendant rummage through the refrigerator at Robertson, and ate leftover Turkey. He found wrapped in plastic, and after each detailed crime, the judge would ask the Angelo how he pleaded the special circumstance allegations an uncharged crimes. When asked by the judge, the Angelo would answer. Authorities believed. The crime spree ended because the Angelo was getting old, and simply could not overpower his victims. The plea deal spares the Angelo the death penalty, but he will spend the rest of his life in prison, and it brings to end the case of one of the worst serial predators in US history sentencing is expected in August Jim Roope Los. Angeles Westwood One Daily News for June thirtieth twenty twenty. I'm John Trout.

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The Doofus Dad Podcast

04:15 min | 7 months ago

016: Its official: Im rich!

"This is the Doofus Dad podcast where we explore the fairly dangerous and much-maligned state of fatherhood NB twenty-first-century. If what modern media tells us is true to know a dad is to know a doofus hosted by me Mark Johnson the most accomplished doofus of all. On today's episode I'll tell you about my newfound wealth because it's official. I'm. Church. Great News to report today I. decided to take a closer look at the barrage of emails I've been receiving lately and boy am I glad I did I appear to be filthy stinking rich No more mortgages no more nine to five grind no more million mile vehicles with discolored leather under the baby seat. It's all caviar and champagne from here on out baby. It's a curious thing my richness. Not that I'm complaining but the source of my incredible newfound wealth seems to derive from a variety of foreign nations and or high powered governmental offices despite the fact that I've only ever been to a few Caribbean islands, a couple of Mexican border and resort towns the Canadian side of Niagara Falls and Nepal once. A series of providential coincidences have occurred. First of all, I've somehow either sewed wild oats across large swaths of the globe. I was especially busy in the African nations or one of my swashbuckling ancestors was getting around and getting busy independent of each other my kinfolk all seemed to be financial geniuses who are dropping like flies from a variety of fatal illnesses. They are desperate to pass on their earnings to dear all American cousin mark and finally got in touch with me today after months of leg work and research, which means they Google Me Bravo cousin Agnes Model Wa. Okay. Secondly, I've made fantastic overseas stock market investments apparently in my sleep or in a stupor of some kind because I remember none of it. These astute acquisitions have resulted in flowing rivers of gold. Thirdly at the US Department of Homeland Security, the secretary there who at the time I wrote this was secretary Janet Napoletano no less has been hard at work at my quote unquote case with her quote. Unquote fraud. Monetary. Unit. Some illicit combination of gambling inheritance lottery winnings and perhaps a McDonald's scratch off game has netted me twenty seven point five, million Somalians dig that Oh, I almost forgot. I'm also now absurdly rich because the Benin Republic you know the one next to Togo says a again quote provisions affidavit of claim certificate for legal cover slash protection of us one point two, million dollars in favor of you. I'm not convinced that's an actual Senate with the subject and a verb and all, but I'll take the money anyway. All I have to do is send the Benin Republic Mr Joseph Di Atwood in particular sixty eight bucks but that's okay because I'm. Over? added. You've been listening to the Doofus Dad podcast poppy right twenty twenty by mark e Johnson. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and do me a huge favor and write me review and share this podcast with your friends. See show notes and other good stuff at www dot doofus dad dot com. That's www dot D. O. F. U. S. D. A. D. DOT COM.

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Training Of A Killer - Good Cop. Bad Cop & Hiding Behind The Badge

Unmasking a Killer

39:15 min | 2 years ago

Training Of A Killer - Good Cop. Bad Cop & Hiding Behind The Badge

"Joseph James, the Angelo is facing thirteen homicide charges and thirteen charges of kidnap with intend to rob in connection with the Golden State killer crime spree while law enforcement believes him to be responsible for the many rapes attributed to the east area rapist spree ju to statute of limitations. They cannot file rape charges at the time of this recording. Joseph de ngelo has not yet entered a plea and is awaiting trial. This is why we lock our doors. Attacked all over California community was taken hostage. Brutal homicides. One of the most prolific serial killers in the history of this state. If not in this nation. Today. We're going to launch a national campaign to help identify the Golden State killer. On April twenty fifth twenty eighteen law enforcement arrested. The man they believe to be the Golden State killer Joseph James, Di Angelo, a former police sergeant in Exeter and patrol officer. In Auburn, California. Just of the Angelo worked for the Exeter. Police department from may of nineteen Seventy-three through August of nineteen seventy six which overlapped with the resilience ransacking crime spree which coincidentally ended when Dangelo started as a patrol officer with the Auburn police department in August of nineteen seventy six where he worked until he was fired in October of nine hundred seventy nine the same timeframe as the east area rapist crimes in northern California. And today, we're speculating how if Joseph the Angelo is the Golden State killer as law enforcement believes, his increasingly demanding criminal life correlates to his declining job performance, and how he may have used as police training to aid in his criminal activity. So well, just the Angelo. Has the presumption of innocence, and he's going through the court process. In today's episode. We are speculating as to how he made it all work to how the Angelo. When from a rising star in the Exeter police department during the time of the visor ransacking 's to a quote unquote, subpar officer in Auburn, California during the time of the east area rapist attacks, former contra Costa county chief investigator, Paul halls and former Auburn police chief Nick willik return offering their theories and how the Angelos declining job performance in law enforcement, parallels. The criminal case against him. But first sun gazette publisher, Reggie LS and his editor in chief. Paul Myers are back to paint, a clear picture of what kind of police officer Joseph Di Angelo was in Exeter based on the articles, Dave uncovered in their papers extensive archives. Welcome back guy. So in speaking with retired Exeter police sergeant Farrell ward, we've learned that Joseph Daniel, not only had a bachelor's degree in criminal Justice. He'd also spend time intern. At various police departments. But fair award said that the Exeter police department requirements were just a high school diploma. Yes. And we interviewed fair awards to kind of his comments. Are you know, we wondered why this highly intelligent, you know, law enforcement person? What was he doing Exeter? Well, let's see doing next year. In other words, he had family there. But in other words, just so overqualified for, you know, being a beat cop, essentially, I got an imagined. I mean, you know, we're talking about an arrow where you know, not everybody went to college either. You know, it's not like today where that's kind of just like what you do. It's it's a, you know, the bachelor's degree held a hell of a lot of weight where where you were going. And when you're you're talking about rural towns, where there's, you know, one high school school districts, and then your nearest universities and our away which isn't close in those years, by any standards. It's it says a lot that somebody's willing to kind of come in with as much experience in an education. Like, he had absolutely tell us a little bit about that Exeter at the time nineteen Seventy-three. What are we talking about? You know, it's a small police departments. You know, probably proportional to the five thousand residents that were in Exeter at the time. It was a small quiet town. So you can imagine that there wasn't a lot of demand to have partner patrols, you know. There is a lot of cops that would go out in their car, and they would patrol for twelve hours, and they would and that would just be them. So not a lot of activity for for the police department in a small town like that back, then what was the sentiment of the everyday people towards the police? I mean, obviously, we live in a very charged situation today. What was it like there? You know? I I think that it's kind of what you would expect of small town friendliness towards the police that you kind of think back on in the sixties and seventies. You know, police were a force of good. They were people who you could walk to and trust. You know, they were thinking Griffith and Mayberry. Yeah. This kind of how we how we do it. They were they were the people that you know, you. You might call the and my cats in the street, you can you get the fire department those types of interactions. Right. So so kind of it was the kind of thing where they would trust them. I mean, if you're a police officer in a small town, you just automatically carry this certain air of trustworthiness with you absolutely back. Then all of the officers who work for the police department lived in the community again. Now, you'll have officers who work for Fresno PD who live in Exeter, and commuting just kind of a part of modern society. That wasn't the case in the seventies. Nobody was commuting an hour to go to work says those are like your neighbors the local cop and exactly and if it goes a crime was pretty low, right? It wasn't like homicide rate was anything to talk about an Exeter Mosa just property crime property crimes, meaning what kind vandalism small-time break ins special like someone breaks a window and a car and steals the radio or something that type of stuff Andy Griffith investigated. Exactly. Yeah. Barney fife. Cool. So from what you've seen in your archives and conversations you've had with people like fair award. It seems like Joseph de ngelo regarded as a really good police officer. He is seen as someone who's rising the ranks and smarter than maybe your average patrol officer. So overall, kind of what is your impression based on everything you've read of Joseph Di Angelo as a police officer. Well, when you think about what made him particularly good at availing police officers is probably hypoth- thinking that would have made him very good at police work. And so I'm assuming he was pretty well liked by his superiors. They probably looked at him. Maybe well liked is the wrong word. I mean, he probably kept to himself most of the time. But there were probably very happy to have some no nonsense. You know, hit the streets kind of guy where they're and they're seeing the productivity, you know, they're they're seeing the arrests. And you know, these tea. Pains out of farmers Ville or other people, you know, he's turning in stuff getting helping get convictions in the local municipal court. They're looking at him and saying like you like you look at the stats on this guy. This is the kind of officer that we want. He is applying everything that he knows. And he's making good arrests that are sticking, and he is doing it a lot you got to think that if you're a manager anywhere. If you have a guy that has an education that isn't necessarily found where you are shows up every day to work makes arrests that other officers weren't making before he got there, and the and and the community doesn't seem to have a problem with him. That's like a great employee. No, you're right. He's very reliable. Yeah. Seems trustworthy doesn't waste any time. Hey on extraneous stuff. No. He he, you know, he's not taking hours off work that aren't accounted for all the clearly they haven't been, and you know, that guy sounds like he's like he's on a promotional track. So after Exeter, he goes to Auburn and takes a demotion going from a sergeant to a patrol officer, which I've heard from many people, including feral ward that that's not necessarily crazy because you're going to much bigger department. He might have even been making as much money as a patrol officer in Auburn. And he was as a sergeant in Exeter. But I think what what is super interesting is in Albany was doing eight hour shifts supposedly always showed up on time. Not never really called in sick. You know, you could count on him being there. But he wasn't. He wasn't talked about in terms of his intelligence or his law enforcement skills, as you know, that remarkable as opposed to exit or so, yeah, it could be that. If Joseph Dangelo is indeed to Golden State killer as lon-. Believes that you know, as the east area rapist taste taking a lot more time to set up these more difficult crimes. And and so I think as Paul whole says, you know, the Auburn job becomes a day job and his passions lie. Elsewhere. That's exactly right. I think that he is so consumed thinking about his night job. If you will that he just isn't giving any sort of thought or effort into whatever has other thing is that pays the bills. And I think in Exeter. It was very easy to split his focus between the two one. It's a rural area like you said. And a also, you know, the the officers and the Albany area may all be more educated than the Exeter officers. It is a bigger department or they may at least be more seasoned more experienced, correct? Yeah. The the basic level entry for Auburn was an associate's degree, which is again, it's it's two years of at least community college versus just a high school diploma. Which which can be a big difference. If your life goal is just to get out of high school with a passing grade and go into a manual labor job back, then, but if you're aspirants or larger than that, you've gone through the work to at least go to college take some course, work pass your courses, you're getting exposed a whole 'nother level of education, especially back, then then many of your peers in other parts of the country and in your own industry. So that two years if extra schooling is a very big deal when you're talking about the difference between high school and college I also sometimes wonder if when you're doing well, and you're moving up to track and you're getting promoted, you're getting more attention. Right. So the higher up the ladder you go. The more people know about you, the more people are going to be looking to you that maybe he made the conscious decision to be. I don't wanna put myself in that position. In auburn. I wanna be able to blend in more. And and hide in the back. You know show up. I, you know, I'll never call in sick or do. The basics required as not to raise the red flag that way, but the kind of blend in more because if you keep getting promoted, you're you're gonna be written up in newspapers. What does he go to? Where's this final career end? He ends as like a mechanic, essentially. And if you know anything about mechanics, they tend to keep to themselves they show up, you know, they can have headphones on all day or not talked to anybody all day and just work on their jobs. So he seemed to consistently retreat into more seclusive work as he kind of grew in his notoriety is for his nighttime job. Yeah. I imagine. Especially since you've got your old boss telling you, why aren't you going to the FBI? Right. And now you're over here. You're like, I just don't wanna look that smart. It's probably dangerous for me to show off the intelligence that I do have. I think it's very strategic, and I think that's kind of the the overarching IMO. Of everything that the Angelo did as the Golden State killer is it's just very strategic. Every step was like, well, I could make more money at this. But I'm not really working for money. I I'm just trying to find a place where I can indulge my darkness, and then still have something that pays the electric Bill. Right. And you know, you make a really interesting point in that, you know, a lot of law enforcement officers have said that Joseph James, the Angelo. It was really just wearing the uniform as a costume. The badge was a prop hiding behind the facade of and officer in not really trying to be one. What are your thoughts on that? Based on what you know. I I don't Paul you thoughts on that. I think that that's absolutely accurate. I think that there would be no better disguise, then to be in the position of catching the person who commits crimes like you commit crimes is hiding in plain sight. And it worked really well for him for decades. And you know, I think that as smart as we know that he is and how strategic as we know that he is. It was a calculated move and it was executed with expertise. Thanks again. The Paul Myers and Reggie Ellis from the sun gazette and from Joseph Di Angelo's, quote, unquote, good cop reputation in Exeter. We turn to Auburn to speak with the Angeles. Former boss retired Auburn Cleese chief Nick willing about the Angelo's quote, unquote, subpar performance as a patrol officer under his command. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place. You can go were hiring is simple fast. And smart that place is ZipRecruiter with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job. Ziprecruiter is so affective that eighty percents of employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive web address, ZipRecruiter dot com slash unmasking. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash U. N M A S K I N G. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. The cases we gotta find who wrote this note, we do that. We find the killer. This science defined out. Police used Luminol a chemical which glows when it comes into contact with the iron component in blood that drama, but where was the rifle, and which man was tell. The truth forensic files. The legendary true crime show is now a podcast. Join investigators as they take on the toughest cases with cutting edge scientific tools. Subscribe now with apple podcasts with new episodes every Monday and Thursday, you'll never miss out on getting your forensic fix. We're back with former chief of police in Auburn, California chief Nick willing. We're talking about Joseph Dangelo as a police officer now in Exeter. He was a great cop. But you had a different experience. Tell us what your duties when Joseph Di Angelo joined Auburn PD when Joe Dion shallow was hired as patrol officer. I was a patrol sergeant I worked patrol, and I was supervisor on patrol. What was the hiring process like at that time because the Angelo was a sergeant at Exeter PD, but then step down to patrol officer. And Auburn note with he was a sergeant Exeter. Yeah. He was promoted a few months before he left officers that have gone from sergeant to patrol. It's not calming because typically, you know, the sergeant you have better pay typically, better shifts, you have seniority. So I wouldn't call it usual. It does happen. But it's. Not usual. So going back for a second. What kind of process would the Angelo have had to go through to get the job in Auburn 'cause newspaper reports showed the deadline for the job application was June. And he didn't get the job too late August, so in those two months, what would have happened the voting process in nineteen seventy six there would be a personal history statement background. Check check in with the beams of the people past employers plus teachers at cetera, but the wasn't the psychological examination the lie detectors and stuff that they employ today today officer coming into a police department would typically to go three to six months background investigations extensive medical examination extensive background check in with friends. Neighbors old schoolteachers, you know, friends of friends, not just the people that that person listed on the personal history statement also today, we have psychological examination. You know, there's lie detector examinations. So the vetting process is much better than it was then it'd been interesting he gone through the normal batting processes today. You know, the psychological I mean, they take written tests their time on the couch. It would have been interested. Did you know about the Angela's experience on the burglary task force in his anti burglary training? I never heard of it. I didn't know about it. I don't know if he was hiding that from the police department or baby he just never discussed it with me. Well, I did have burglaries. Correct. So this expertise is something that he could have used to get himself noticed. I think that if I knew that he had this training. I will say quite you know, let's trae need to have. Because a lot of our crimes were property crimes. Burglaries would have been beneficial for patrol. How would you describe the Angelo as a police officer Joe didn't act like the typical police officer in my opinion? He had some oddities sometimes when you look back and a person you find things that you didn't necessarily think was too important at the time. But he was different than the typical police officer to the point where he would try to be overly friendly to everybody when he would talk to you. He would get real close in touch, you some people, you know, the department they would say, well, you know, he's the tie in. He gets close. He touches I particularly found a little knowing myself from a personal standpoint. But also thought from an officer safety standpoint it was dangerous. Gelo have relationships with other officers on the force maybe other patrol officers. I don't know of of image relationships. He had with anybody on the force. I've talked to one officer who told me that he had apparently had a hobby of remote controlled boats, and he took this officer was a sergeant and skids out. Out to play with the remote control boat. But I don't know of anybody that had a close relationship with them. So he managed not to stand out. He didn't do anything exceptional my opinion thought that best. He was subpar officer below average. I don't recall him making any significant arrests. I don't recall him right in a lot of tickets making drunk driving arrest. I don't recall that at all. He just kind of seemed like someone that was just going through the motions to me. He didn't really fit his personality wasn't really that. Typically of a police officer. I mean, he wasn't violent. He tried to be happy jovial, but he just seemed a little different for a police officer. So what are the typical personality traits? You see in a police officer that he was lacking. Most police officers are pretty confident in themselves. He. Did not seem to be that cloth. Ident? It seemed like he was always searching for recognition. I know there were several times where he would come up and talk to me. And I remember one time I told him I was saying how he was worried about me. I didn't seem happy and often. And I told him I said Joel I said, I'm fine. I said, you know, you worry about me more than my mother. And my mother worries about me too much. So we just him. And I did not click on really didn't. He had a tendency when it got upset or when you disciplined him to pout almost like a child like a little kid they'd been scolded. He would just get quite you. And kind of keep his head down. Want to say anything what did argue? I never saw lose this temper, you know, and I'm not saying it didn't. I just never saw him lose his temper did he seem insecure in his abilities as a police officer? There was an incident one time where I responded to a silent alarm a burglar alarm and ability, and I was checking the building now. And when officer normally does that, you know, you try to be careful not to be detected dot the put yourself in a position of disadvantage or in harm's way. So to speak, and I had just checked the back of the building I was walking around to the front of the building. And as soon as I rounded corner, Joe Daniel drove up any illuminated me in front of the window. Which was a, you know, some you just don't do because it have a solid alarm that could be someone inside that's armed. And after we secured the building hit turn out. It was false. Alarm, but still, you know, we had no way of knowing that was a false alarm after the building had been secured. I pulled Joel aside and told him don't you don't do this. I went through the whole process of trying to explain to him what he should have done. You know, how he should approach the scene where you should apart what radio traffic cetera, but he did not take criticism. And I guess you could say that was his way of trying to avoid detection. He would deny everything that he felt possibly a may change this image that he was trying to project of who he really was looking back at that incident is he just a bad cop. Did he not know any better or is he pretending to be a backup? Because from what we know is training in Exeter. He should have known better here. No. I don't think Joe Daniel was pretend. To be a bad cop. I think he dismayed but stakes he did not fit the image of a police officer. And it was almost like he wants wouldn't think he wasn't thinking. I mean, obviously luminated someone in front of a buildi- just he wasn't thinking. It was all part of a list, my image of him at the time. Was that you know, he was a poor police officer he didn't practice normal procedures that a typical police officer would practice, and I didn't know if that was from lack of training, or what of course, looking back on it. Now, you know, obviously, he did use his training to help them. Why he made the mistakes made? I don't know what I'm bumping up against. He knew better is he pretending to make mistakes. I don't think so because he pout so much. It always seemed to me that he was what meet a like him. You know, like he needed something they need to the recognition for me. I don't know if he wanted that from everybody. But the impression I got was he needed some sort of recognition for me like a sound from father like a child. It was almost like some. Seekin his father supreme. Well, like, I said it was almost immature. It was childish plus did he ever aknowledge fault? No. He women apologize. Didn't seem like he wanted to hear what I was saying he didn't accept criticism as a superior. It must be difficult to work with that. I did you handle that at the time over several situations though, I talked to them about and he would act that way. I just took a someone had difficulty taking criticism. And I thought that that was a fault. And I felt that was detrimental to ability to be a police officer of good police officer soon early nineteen Seventy-nine you've moved up the ranks. And are now appointed chief of police in Auburn and then in July of nineteen Seventy-nine Joseph Di Angelo is arrested for shoplifting. What were your first thoughts? Even though Joe Daniel had some oddities, and I was surprised that he was shoplifting. I never saw that in him. I didn't think he was a thief. There's a lot theories about shoplifting shoplifting for thrill seeking seen if they can get away with it. I mean, obviously, he would have had the funds to pay for what he was stealing was this a price to you that Jodi Angela would steal for thrill seeking or did you think that fit his personality or think it was surprised I was surprised special police? Officer do something like that. It didn't make sense to me at all looking back. How do you reconcile? The fact that Joseph Di Angelo has been identified by law enforcement as the Golden State killer without day. I would have probably said I can't be him. That's impossible. He could've committed these crimes. He just wasn't the type of person to do this. I would probably felt that way. But DNA conclusive Joe WorL on different mask. He hid his true Dimity from his officers fell officers say worked with from the citizens that he was hired to protect from the his own family man for profit from his wife, and certainly famous children who demon. No he'd been police officer when I think back that Joseph DeAngelis. You know, the Golden State killer. These stereo, rapists, the Saudi Rams soccer committed these horrific crimes in all while he was a police officer, all you know. Worked for our police department that I knew him I think about that daily. I searched my mind over and over again, did I miss something shoot. Have we seen something? Do you think he will ever talk or come clean? I don't think that Jodi angel- will ever confess to the crimes unless it's done. So in a way, I self preservation and that instead of being executed that he gets maybe life imprisonment without the possibility of parole as part of a plea bargain, he may emit to the crimes then. But I think he will only emit to the crimes that he's been caught for. I think just by his very nature and what he has done in the past. He probably will not reveal anything else other than he asked to you know, just to protect himself did Jody ngelo. You know, never said. Sorry, right. I didn't know job. Diangelo to say he was sorry. And I do not think that he would do it. Now, tell the victims victims families the loved ones of the victims that he sorry. I just don't see that happening. If he did do it again be for an act to protect himself. So he can gain something from it. But I sincerely don't believe. It would be from his heart. DM anything to say to him today. I have nothing to say to Joe de Angelo that I think would make any difference to him. I think he's devoid of personal feelings. I think he's def- awarding of guilt and his mind. He apparently justified his actions. I don't see how. It's just beyond my imagination. How someone could do the things that he's done and justified in his mind. And somehow he did that I don't understand that thanks to former Auburn police chief Nick willik for returning to speak about Jodi Angelo as an Auburn patrol officer. And coming up next. We'll we're contra Costa county chief investigator Paul holes is back to offer some insight into how Joe DeAngelis made such a drastic turn from good cop in Exeter to subpar officer in Auburn, and how that reinforces law enforcement's believe that Joseph James Dangelo is. In fact, the Golden State killer. Coming to CNN a new original series three generations people referred to the Bush family dynasty. That's what it is. And that's what it was two presidents. I intend to be the next president of the United States one family. I want to talk about my family, nothing without them. To push years narrated by Ed Harris, a CNN original series premiere Sunday, March third nine pm eastern Pacific on CNN. I'm Kant's from March madness. Six five on this edition of podcasts. I'll be joined by the hall of Famer dick by town. What about signing? He's become a household household, and they sue you date, the best I've ever seen a antibody, suddenly devotion, nica perceive listening subscribe for free at apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. There are two very different accounts of Joseph Di Angelo as a police officer in Exeter. He was moving up the ranks being promoted given important assignments in Auburn the chief of police remembers him as subpar at best to discuss and see what we can make of this discrepancy is our guest Paul holes. Paul welcome back. It's the have you. Glad to be back. The so what do you make of this very different feedback on the Angelo as a police officer? There were several different things to take into account. You know, when when the Angelo is a police officer down in Exeter. He is just starting his career and has anybody who's just starting their career? They're probably going to be putting a lot more effort into that profession early on. Then by the time, he's up in Auburn, you know, he's a few years into the career. But I also think that as an Exeter police officer, he's putting the the efforts in with a very small department. But he's also now offending in committing all these burglaries in addition to the clause knowing homicide and ultimately shooting. Awesome. Mcgowan. So you start to see his criminal life, dry, more and more of his attention. When he moves up to Auber. Now what he's doing is. He's not just going in and committing fetish Burks. He's gone. Going in and sexually assaulting with. And he's going in and attacking with men present he's escalated up his is a tax the amount of pre-planning that needs to go in for these is also going to be much more burdensome, and so I think his mental resources and his physical resources being out prowling and doing all that planning is taking his attention away from his job. So he's not applying himself as much as an Auburn police officer as he was down in Exeter. And it's also possible extra in Auburn just had different standards in terms of what the expected from their officers. Just there two different departments. That always throws me as chiefly describes these incidents where you know, you're like could got a rookie would have known how to handle that situation. And you know, Dangelo wasn't doing what was expected of him. And you're just like is. He that tired even know willik says he never seemed tired is he just trying to act like a bad cop because I think in Exeter, obviously as he's doing a, quote, unquote, good job, he's becoming more and more visible in his name's in the paper. He's you know, he's getting that kind of recognition is he may be thinking, you know, maybe I just turn it down a little bit. So I can fly more under the radar that way and keep focusing on on my extracurricular activities that I I don't know. I I'd be somewhat surprised at that. Because you know, I think the Angelo really I identified with being a police officer and having that thority, you know, that was or to him. So I would not think that he would want to come off as a poor police officer. I just think he ended up not either having the the attention the the energy mental energy to respond correctly under high stress. Events that officers need to be able to do because he's distracted by his criminal activities. That's really what I think. I mean because it is fascinating. When you look at a map, and you're like, okay. Auburn to Sacramento, we're talking, you know, forty minutes each way, you know, we know from chief Willeke was never laid on the job or or called in sick in any, you know, crazy amount. So so he has his forty hour a week job. And then he's doing all this driving back and forth. And then when you get to Modesto, and Dave is in contra Costa. That's even a much longer ride. It's huge. How do you? If Jodi Angela is doing all of that while working as a fulltime officer like one is this man sleeping. So one of the things that when I first looked at the Angelo. And I saw here's a full-time. Auburn police officer living in Auburn during the entirety of the east area rapist series. I'm going no way. How could he hold a job because we we know the number of tax that he committed a northern Cal. You know as far south as San Jose. And that is a hike from Auber multiple hours each way, but he's also committing numerous burglaries, and he's out prow all the time. I just don't see how he could have done both that again is you know, there's a few things that I really want to know. And that's one of those things as how was he physically able to be a full time officer, not run into disciplinary issues as a result of, you know, falling asleep behind the wheel and be out doing all this this prowling packs all over northern California. It just blows my mind. It's almost like it's physically impossible for somebody to do that. But he obviously did. Yeah. And when you think about Exeter, you know, it's ten minutes from vise alia, and he was more unlike making his own schedule as a daytime investigator by the time to ransacking starts. So there's a little more more leeway there for the angel to commit those crimes. If that's in fact, what he did when he goes to Auburn. He's back. Down to a patrol level. You know, he's got to show up and he's got to be on the radio the entire time. Like, you said he can't fall asleep behind the wheel. Also, you know, maybe maybe that's where he is making more of those mistakes because obviously as the east area rapist is committing those kind of crimes and burglaries and prowling that almost seemed like a fulltime job. Absolutely. That was being done almost exclusively at night. Right. Yeah. How hard is that? You know? And then, you know, the Angelo is working, you know, according to to cheek Willett at the time, you know, they were on. I think it was a three month rotational schedule. They were working five eighths, but every three months they would change from daytime to swings degrade yards. You know, so the Angelo's constantly having his we want to say this or Kadian rhythm being disrupted just by working as an officer. But also is attacks as pre planning is going to also be disrupted because if he's preferring to attack in the middle of the night yet, he's on graveyard shift. You know for the next three months he's going to have to alter his pattern of bits in order to work around his shift. Yeah. Plus, I mean, she was telling us that he was you know, because he was new to the force. He was part of the relief officer schedule. So that you know, he could get pulled into people going on vacation. And so so even within the three months sections, he might still even been even more, you know, constantly change. Ging schedule. So that's a lot of pattern within the the, you know, the east area rapist attacks to see could I see that three month rotation. You know, in terms of times dates when these rapists was packing versus what the Angelo's on duty shift would have been, but I couldn't find it. So I again right now, it's a big mystery. Without just the Dangelo speaking out and telling us historic directly were obviously just speculating, but no-one better to do that with than you. So thank you for your take on this. Coming up next week many in law enforcement believed it and now signs are pointing to a being troop Joseph James, the Angelo, the suspected Golden State killer is in fact, someone's husband father grandfather, and what is it like living next door to a suspected serial killer, we speak with one of Joseph, Jamesy, Angelo's neighbors grand Gorman whose childhood home in citrus heights shared a backyard fence with the Angeles grant used to play with the Angelo's daughters and remembers some terrifying. Moments living on the other side of the fence from Jodi Angela and for more on the Golden State killer case, you can watch the complete unmasking tiller documentary series on the manned with CNN go and the entire companion podcast series, including these new episodes is also available at apple podcasts Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Biagio Messina. And I'm jokin Steven thanks for listening. 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"Man in the window contains depictions of sexual violence and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised lieutenant. Mike garlic of the auburn police department spends nearly a year. Laboriously whiting out names and addresses for more than a thousand nine hundred seventy s duty reports. He hands me in small batches. What strikes him in all of this. Is patrolman joseph di angelo's consistency Victim more person or a citizen called up asking officer and he was sent in that was about he consistently lacks initiative alter the flow at the time just handled his calls for service. And that's what he did and it didn't seem to me like there was much in terms of what they call our professionals pro activity of which would mean looking for suspects or looking for crimes that might be occurring or suspicious people or prowlers deangelis does show initiative and pulling over young people particularly women to cite them for alcohol. He heels two teen girls to jail for stealing yes to candy bars disquieting in sensitivity sometimes leads through his reports dangelo woman getting obscene phone calls as saying her harasser has a quote pleasant voice read alongside the east area rapist. Crime rewards these duty logs paint in odd juxtaposition of small town policing with a predator more obsessed than skilled. There's the officer diangelo who escorts citizens to make bank. Deposits gives a drunk to ride home checks empty house for a woman so she knows she safe. Most of the attacks occur when he has a few days off his wife told the court she thought he was often gone. Pheasant hunting some begin within an hour coming off duty one night in november nineteen seventy seven deangelis finishes writing up allowed car stereo complaint at about ten pm by eleven. The rapist is heard on the patio of a woman. Thirty miles downriver. On la riviera drive for four hours that night neighbors in a one block area here him. Try the patio doors. Were scratch their windows is he. Criss crosses his path like a weaving. Spider this kind of neighborhood canvas is his usual pattern in those inside are unaware what fate they've just escaped one household. This night is not so lucky at three. Am deangelis sneaks into the home of a thirteen year. Old ties up. Her mother and sodomise is the child and he is back on duty later that afternoon. Back to the barking dogs loitering kids in the fighting couples the day after that rape a call comes into the auburn. Pd from a young man. Downtown this one report among the hundreds sticks with lieutenant garlic because the caller tells the dispatcher. For no that entity of the east area rapist. i'm gonna be calling sacramento county sheriff's office. The citizen didn't disclose who we thought it was. And he didn't say anything more details details that everyone wants i. November of nineteen seventy seven. Finding the identity of the east area rapist is a big deal. The of sacramento for a year have been tracking his attacks by the talent carried in the newspaper headlines. He's now up to twenty seven. Rapes vigilantes patrol the streets and backyards or lit up by the searchlight of the sheriff's new helicopter. The cop auburn dispatches to check on this tip is joseph diangelo what was thinking when he's actually taking that statement from that guy. Was he worried that does he think it's made by description or something like that. Ngelo closes the file by labeling the tipster as quote very h. b. which meant had been drinking. Then that was the extent of it only de ngelo knows what the tipster said showtime presents. The new limited series. You're under somebody. There starring bryan cranston hotel. Anyone can keep you safe if no one hears about it. There are some truths worth lying for do this and cities waiting passage where he got me into gear. Michael martires any after. Are we die runner on showtime's during the first episode breathe youtube dot com slash showtime. A perfect glass of wine makes all the difference and the la times wine club powered by. I can deliver that and more right to your front door. All you have to do is take a short quiz determine your preferences than six bottles of award winning wine personalized to your taste will be shipped directly to you. You'll get six bottles of wine for only thirty nine ninety five plus free shipping sign up today at la times dot wine slash podcast from the los angeles times and wondering. I'm page saint. John and this is man in the window. This is episode ten evil in the two years since arrest victims of the east area rapist the original night stalker golden state killer or whatever other name the crimes of joseph james di angelo are known by those victims are strapped to a roller coaster. Never knowing where it's headed and when it will turn their worlds upside down but for three extraordinary days in august twenty twenty. They are the ones in control. Deangelis has added to crimes against eighty seven people in eleven counties. As part of the plea agreement prosecutors have asked that he be sentenced to twenty six life sentences twelve of them to run consecutively. Sentencing is in a few days. But i am a small old-fashioned courtroom on the first floor the sacramento county courthouse. The victims of the angelo's primes have a chance to speak judge. Michael bowman presides over what will be a marathon. Three day hearing remember. You waited a long time for this. There's no need to hurry us much time as you want to speak. And what you need to say for the record. Mr johnson president who represented by cancel most of the benches for this high profile proceeding or empty because of covid nineteen only a few victims and their supporters can enter at a time and others wait their turn out in the hall. A few case watchers largely women who believed they were stalked or raped by de ngelo have been given seats by lottery. The rest of the world is dialed in through court. Youtube or tv satellite feed dangelo in his two defense lawyers. Sit at a table facing the jury box which holds to reporters. I'm assign the seat directly across from dangelo. This close it's cleared. The angelo is fully present. He finds a focal point and holds his. Is there the water bottle before him. A spot on the wall. My face for a brief while i returned the stair wondering who will blink both sides ready to proceed all right minor standing moving onto the first victim impact statement did fended admitted to the uncharged acts as follows rape of jane doe or a i rape thank you. My name is karen bayer. I am the sister of villas hennemann. Who's known as rape victim number one. Also i'm speaking her impact statement because she is Ill at home. On june seventeenth. Nineteen seventy six. I went to bed. Not knowing ben in just a few hours by life as i knew it would change so it begins in fifty four different in deeply personal ways victims and their families tell of tragedy and triumph. They speak about who they were and who they became of baseball. Bats and guns buy the bed locks in guard dogs broken and scattered families. I woke up knowing. I would never be a child again and although i was truly grateful to be alive i also felt that i had died. I didn't understand what kinda god would allow this to happen too. I tried so hard to be good. The darkness swiss overwhelming. I wanted to cry but nothing came out. I went outside by myself for a long time. Continued trying to feel something. I tried to escape my fear with alcohol but medicating myself did not work. I wasn't eighteen year old young woman becoming an adult and a suspect in my own father's murder. Thank you joe. I was awesome. Your honor i ask you to imagine what that does to announce young eighteen year old. I've lived with the shame for decades. It's your shame joe. They tell trauma the shadow their lines. Even upon the angela's arrest and i was hospitalized. Fifty one fifty for three days in june of that year i was emotionally exhausted unstable and not able to deal with reality. Most can't look at him. Others glare deangelis. They insult and damn him quarter of me being a christian. I wanna say to you. May god have mercy on your soul. But then there's another three quarters of me that just want to tell you buddy to rot in hell. What a despicable piece of humanity you are dead has little penis drive him to be so angry all the time and she extends her middle finger at dangelo. But these are nice people in invariably. They apologized to the court the three days. A lot of victims are not so much tolling of the savagery of one man but testimony to the inherent goodness in resilience of human spirit as a christian. I have forgiven you. I know forgiveness is important. The hill one soul. I forgive you. You victimized me. But i am not a victim. I want to tell you what. I was constantly thinking during the rape itself. I kept on saying to myself. You are not going to get me. You are not going to get me. You are not going to get me. I choose to live my life. We have lived with this for forty four years as a family and we are here to say that her mother is not jane doe number twenty two and we are not just number thirty seven. Uncharged defense we are the family of winnie schultz and we have all survived because of her bravery and resolves do whatever it took to save herself in her family when we first met. I asked the angelo's first known victim. Phyllis zik hanane what she sought from the legal system. I would like him just as stand up and be man enough to best what he did if not. She wanted the angelo to live to see the case through because if he died in prison that are in jail. I mean that's that's an easy way out and he doesn't deserve the easy way out. I'm sorry that's been dictator of me. As but phyllis is diagnosed with liver cancer in july. She watched the angeles plea hearing from a hospital bed crying. When other victims stood up for her at the moment dangelo admitted to her rape and when a doctor walked in phyllis crane her neck to see the tv. I says well. I'm sorry this enforcement. Your at this point phyllis his cancer is untreatable. She's not eligible for a transplant by the august. Impact statements. she's reliant. On her own wheelchair voice weakening for woman who spent a life to borrow one of phyllis is favourite phrases. Staying off the pity pot. These days are hard writing the words for her sister to read in court. Phyllis is more than ready to end her. Forty three year association with joseph de ngelo. You know me again out. I'm not saying mean wasn't affected by him. But it's still the pert me and you know around a victim of one of which is the message. Phyllis sends with her sister. He deserves the spend the rest of his miserable life imprisoned. No more freedom for him a quote my sister. I am not what happened to me. I am what. I choose to become de. Ngelo remains impassive in each day appears smaller in his wheelchair. From two hundred and fifteen pounds arrest. He's now down to less than one fifty his feet swell in the leg. Shackles hidden from public view cut into his ankles. The courtroom his colt its wildfire season. Air conditioners run full blast to cut the smoke. Deangelis is rolled in on the last day with an oversized sweatshirt hanging. Oddly on him like a toddler who squirmed dressed. he never bothers to fix it making him. Look all the more shrunken district attorney. Anne marie schubert yearns to show that this shriveled form is not the real joseph di angelo. When it came in for his play on june twenty nine he was. You know all curled up with his hands and you'd think he was basically truly on mike. This is not how this is happening. This is not the man in the mirror. This is somebody different different from the person she believes the angelo to be earlier in the week. Schubert's legal team ask judge bowman to let them show a video of dangelo in his cell at friday's sentencing. It shows him climbing and shows him moving about and being very flexible and strong. Almond doesn't see why that matters. He is entered guilty pleas to thirteen murders and he has admitted to being a serial rapist. I'm not sure whether or not he can move around inside. His cell is particularly relevant. The judge orders the jail video sealed victims to struggle to mass diangelo. One perhaps harder than the rest. My name is jane carson sandler and diangelo. I want you to look at me. Jane is one of the early sacramento rape victims. She's tried walking up to the angelo mocked the size of his penis and cursed him to no visible effect now. She thinks she has her weapon. She closes her statement with a sideways glance. Want to especially thank a friend. That's accompanying me today. And that friend is bonnie. Take your mask standing on. Jane's left his bonnie call. Alton the woman diangelo tried to marry whose name he cursed during one rape she reveals her face and her glare at the angelo is withering but his head is turned to the side and his is never move only once. Do i see the angelo spring alive. It's the end. The second day in the courtroom clears victims of left deangelis. Dark eyes suddenly snap around the room. The change the comes over him startling and a microphone catches snippets as he complains to his lawyers. He can still see them. He jabs a finger at the source of irritation victims. Who here of the incident will take a measure of satisfaction thinking. They've finally gotten under the angeles skin but the person he points to is the reporter next to me packing his gear. Hits a reminder. Whatever i think. I see andy angelo. I do not know what's within some say. There are no seasons here in la but in hollywood. There's at least one award season. Listen to the envelope. The podcast from the los angeles times every wednesday to hear from talent behind some of this year's best movies and tv shows cooking stars. Like rashida jones. Hugh grant an annual joy. It's hosted by me. Mark olsen and my colleague yvonne villarreal. Our podcast will also feature conversations with show runners and directors along with a regular awards minute from times. Entertainment columnist. cleanline- the envelope. The podcast is available every wednesday on the times app apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen. I'm harry littman. La times legal affairs columnist and a former united states attorney. And i wanna tell you about my podcast. Talking fans is a roundtable that brings together prominent former federal officials and special guests for dynamic discussion on how policy politics and true crime impact. One another with a rule of law viewpoint. Each week we have guests like senator. Amy klobuchar congressman. Adam schiff stacey. Abrams david from al franken congresswoman katie porter ron claim ashu gaba rick wilson and many more all engaging in lively conversations about the political and legal issues that matter most take a listen to the podcast parade says skates the line between political and true crime. And is the perfect crossover into how policy and crime impact one another. You can find us everywhere. You get your podcasts with no trial. There's no public examination of joseph dangelo. No debate of evil over insanity and no psychiatric evaluations but da. Schubert doesn't hesitate in her diagnosis. I think he's a highly intelligent individual not necessarily by education but highly intelligent. And you know. I don't want to sitaram keep saying this but i do believe he's a sociopath such tiding labels bolstered by references to hollywood villains and invocations of satan are about as close as most care to get to comprehending a man who raped and then bludgeoned girl so savagely. She swallowed her own teeth. Defense attorney alex understands it this way. It's easier black and white is zero then gray but that narrative glosses over the life. After murder of joseph de ngelo the four decades. He spent raising a family. Distilling the angelo down to an abstraction evil avoids the need to ask whether the seeds of such violence lion any of us and it does no service to the angelo's victims who heard the rapist sobbing in the kitchen. Mommy please help me. Some thought it was a ruse others told police. They believed the emotional breakdown was genuine. The defense team has gone the entire court case without talking to avoid pre-trial publicity in because the clients so vilified who will listen but in an empty room in the basement of a county building deangelis lawyers agree to speak assistant public defender alice. Michael addresses the court with a hint of her need of texas in her voice and her empathy directed at the victims assistant public defender. Joe cress a tall thin man with a classic. Goatee is the one who often leans over to whisper into the angelo's one good year. They emphasize that nothing minimizes the angeles crimes or the pain of his victims. These horrible acts. They're very difficult to read. There's a lot of darkness of sadness. I think what i would say as he is. I don't believe that he is the man today that he was when those crimes were committed. Not that that means in any way. He shouldn't be punished for them but he basically led to different lives and of course that doesn't provide any comfort to the victims but they push back at the notion that he has spent the past two years trying to manipulate the cord his refusal to look at victims for instance. If they look at the person. They're staring them down. You know if they're in passive their cold and reacting out. God forbid if they react. So i think it's kind of a catch twenty two or there's no real way that people are going to be satisfied the challenge. Da schubert's claim that deangelis pretending to be frail enact. That schubert says is a bid for a cushier prison assignment. It was in a wheelchair the first day we got him out of the wheelchair after that he wasn't in a wheelchair an june twenty ninth when security put him back in the wheelchair when everything was locked up. There's no incentive for him to create any false narrative that point so the why why it's the issue doing this. It's just what does she have to gain by creating this persona. I guess that's consistent with the. He's this horrible manipulative. Evil person was not everything he does as it plays into that narrative the hannibal lecter narrative michael read in court a letter from deangelis sole surviving sister. As i think back and try to more clearly understand it all so many things come to mind. Don't misunderstand than. I am searching for an excuse for at all. Because i'm not i do more or less blame. Our father in part was a stern military career man and also womanizer who was also responsible for causing abuse in our family. There were so many other things that joe faced. And i'm sure he couldn't cope with it all. Of course it will never justify what has happened. Chris reads a letter from niece. As i sit down to write this letter. I realized there's only one place to our. I wish my deepest sympathy sorrow and pain and pain relief. All of the victims. I cannot imagine what any of you endured. I'm simply writing this letter to tell you. I do not know the personnel the golden state killer. I know him as my uncle. Joe my love clearly malka. Joe was always my hero and from the niece of deangelis wife. My home life was troubled was verbally and physically abused by my dad. I didn't want to live anymore. Joe stepped in as a part of why. I am good kind and loving person i am today. This is my story. this is the truth. Deangelis daughters asked through the public defenders office to be left alone by the media but a letter from one of the angeles daughters as released by a court clerk to the press. Too late lawyers. Get a judge's order sealing the letter for three pages. She describes a man who doted on his daughters. Pet rabbits and guinea pigs made the girls beds and cook their meals and worked past retirement to help. Put them through college. She writes. I could never tell you all the things my father did for me because he always put me and my daughter i. He is the best father i could've had she ends. My father has made me a better person. A successful person able to contribute to society and help others in need. It takes perhaps the daughter of another serial killer to understand your struggle. Even like i should. You even personally be allowed to grieve the loss of this man because you're being told usa monster. Any stunned monstrous things. But you did not knowing this monster kerry rawson. Father is dennis rader from nineteen seventy four to nineteen ninety-one raider killed ten people in kansas. The bt k. strangler has in bind torture kill like dangelo raider pursued an education and criminal justice enjoyed a uniform and authority and like dangelo raider raised a family. I do not know what the angelos relationship was with his family. But my father i mean he could be emotional and verbally abusive at times. But i adored my father. I mean he was my best friend. There are those who believe men like raider. Indiana gelo must be incapable of good carey. Says the wrong. Goodness was there often enough to overcome the bad but also to help it. Hide and my dad had much good in him and my dad also had the ability to control it to stop it very similar to the angelo. And that's why they were not caught. When kerry gathers the courage to speak publicly about being the daughter of a serial killer she finds a receptive audience among the angelo's own victims. Some endorse her book and social media jennifer carroll invites. Carry on her podcast. She like the others. Wrestle with seeing deangelis children as anything but pawns a cover story. He created to help him hide. I remember what kevin tapioca who grew up in the house behind the angelo said. He witnessed a few months before the arrest. I heard him laughing. And i looked over the fence is i was out here in the backyard and he was there playing badminton with his daughter. Just have a normal family moment. Was that also a pretend life. Some of the victims said that to you know it was pretend that was pretend. That was all our protect life. Diangelo angelo has refused since his arrest to speak to his family including to his daughter's the only people. The angelo has been known to confide in these past. Two years are uncertain if rational answers are possible including from the killer himself when russian. I keep coming up. That i keep hearing is why. That's not a question we can answer. Do you think one. He understands down now. No comment to win. A sentence of death would have required a public dissection joseph di angelo's psyche life sentences can be dispatched without such scrutiny. Da schubert satisfied that she knows enough. I think one of the victims said killers are not born. I don't know if he was born or not on a milk. It's genetic i don't know if you cook his brain apart and studied it what it would show but doesn't really matter because he did it all so i look at it also has information the public's never seen covid nineteen is moving fast and so our la times journalists. Our job is to separate fact from fiction because you also help spread the truth when you are informed society where we're to have to stand six feet apart the la times. Our connection is become our community. We're gonna be here giving you information to offer a little bit of clarity. Stay safe be informed. Take care of one another through this. Subscribe at la times dot com. It takes a series of secretive meetings and confidential sources to find someone willing to show me the video deangelis questioning after arrest which turns out to be fifteen hours within the interrogation room over two days. The videos raise questions about how law enforcement handled the high stakes case. They show courtroom remarks. Attributed to the angelo were out of context in incorrect. The confessions especially most of what. The angelo says while an interrogation is whispered under his breath with the volume cranked. So high that i can hear the voices of people in the next room i can just barely catch the rapids. Tocado of it's shameful. I did all that. Because i was too weak to stand up and the statement. I did all those things isn't there. Dangelo actually says. He was controlling me controlling everything. I did almost or maybe. Always when de ngelo whispers. I've destroyed all their lives. It's clear he's talking about his daughters despite the difference. The sacramento district attorney's office said the comments attributed to dangelo were not taken out of context and reviewed by the angeles own defense team. What is clear on the interrogation videos. Is it this is a man we've seen before the troubled teen in nineteen sixty three who spends his nights out on the prowl. The vassilia bedroom ransacked her. Cornered by officer mcgowan in nineteen seventy five who faints feebleness before firing his gun. The rapist who weeps on the pillow of one victim whereas heard arguing with someone in the kitchen. The shape shifting shoplifter in the disgrace. Police officer in nineteen seventy nine. Who drops his voice to whisper. When he tells an examiner he sought to kill his chief also in the room that night. Here is the tragic. Bother a man who coveted a middle-class ideal the happy families living in suburban innocence. Who when he could not appropriate it sought to prey on and destroy it. Or if you believe the prosecutors what happens after arrest is enact. The angelo is brought into interrogations at about five thirty pm and questioned by sacramento sheriff's detective. Ken clarke the detective. Who has doggedly hunted. The angelo for years is friendly and accommodating clark arranges to remove the shackle cuffing dangelo to the table provides him a selection of soft drinks. That are never touched. It's more than an hour before. Diangelo breaks his silence. What have i done his voice. It's high in childish any talks like he's confused or simple minded detective clark says well. I'd like to talk to you about it. But i clark offers the angelo something to drink any ass if police can go into deangelis house to turn off the oven. Dangelo had said he had a roast cooking. When the surprise arrest came down cartels dangelo. He can see a why he felt. He had to shoot brian. Majori the man who chased down and shot when he and his wife came across the angelo on an evening walk. But clark says evenly it seems to me your the only one who knows why katie had to die. Clark says he can tell from the odd kindness. Diangelo sometimes showed early victims covering shivering girl or loosening the gag man. The dangelo was conflicted. He coaxes him now to open up. He says i don't judge people. The plan was for paul halls to come in next. But the angelo is starting to ask about a lawyer in team's afraid they might have to shut things down so to speed things up the da's investigator from ventura county has brought in. Steve rhodes is cast. As the tough cup he bullies. Angelo tells the crumbling man. He knows he's guilty. His semen was found inside a dead woman. Roads asks why angelo is sobbing. He says not sure anybody's gonna cry tears for you. The angela just stares back he and the two detectives sit motionless for so long that the video appears frozen. Let's only wendy angelo's alone. Finally that almost imperceptibly he starts to whisper the barely audible. Words seem self soothing. It's almost three hours in the interrogation. When left alone diangelo drops his head into his hands and the whispering takes on a new dimension on the verge of tears. dangelo mutters. nothing. I took control. His voice is flat and raspy like the russell up dead leaves. I got stronger. I got stronger. I got stronger. I finally took control his. The night wears on in the bullying becomes harsher. His muttering becomes more distraught. I took control control pushed up. Diangelo says i pushed him out as if he shoving someone right there. Five hours in at ten thirty pm. He'll use this particular name twice that night jerry. I pushed jerry out after. I pushed him out ahead. A nice life a happy life or so happy boy was so wonderful. It was wonderful. He was so wonderful he size and his voice finally surfaces now sounding every bit like a seven year old child he was always. They're always sending me out. Always making me go out. I was strong enough to stand up. I couldn't stand it. I couldn't stand any. I couldn't stand him. i didn't want to. I didn't want to go out. I didn't want to do those things he made me. I was strong enough to stand and he lets out a sob mom can was so mean he was so mean brought narrow dead son of a bitch it was mean and rotten mean and vicious. He ends. I just want to be with my mother. It sounds like a death wish k. Louise de angelo was ango died ten years ago. The rapid whispering resumes much of it unintelligible. My children are all suffering so bad they are suffering horribly. It's shameful off. Because i was weak. His hand over his face he mutters. I remember danny ovett. What have i done. it's wendy. Angela whispers of his family. The detectives bring his daughters to the door. They're instructed not to cross the threshold. Deangelis silently looks for the face of the first when the second daughter whales. I love you daddy. He says softly go away. Go away goodbye. She obediently leaves. He continues repeating goodbye even after the door has closed. He mutters and whispers for the detectives read the angelo his miranda rights several times the right to remain silent the right to an attorney and the angelo asks about or four a lawyer at least six times over the next twenty four hours but the questions will not stop before he's taken away to booking two thirty. Am dangelo says to himself. Why won't they let me talk to an attorney. Dangelo doesn't know it but outside the room. An attorney from the sacramento prosecutor's office has been listening in in coaching. The officers on how to keep the interrogation going. It's important to say here the. Us supreme court repeatedly has ruled. That police must stop interrogation when someone in custody. Ask for a lawyer. The justices say it doesn't matter if the officers are from different jurisdictions taking turns and asking about different crimes. Had there been a challenge. The cord could have suppressed. Anything dangelo said to of the agencies involved the ventura county. Da's office and irvine city police bonded saying they believed the officers conduct was appropriate. They describe miranda as governing what can and can't be used as evidence a perspective some legal scholars and defense lawyers consulted by the times. Do not share. Irvine spokeswoman sergeant keri davies said it's not encouraged but there are times officers should keep questioning a suspect like the golden state killer. Maybe there were murders police. Didn't know about but the chief deputy of the sacramento district attorney's office contended that despite asking about and four a lawyer in the da is diangelo had not invoked his miranda rights more though he was still in the interrogation room. His muttered remarks came when he was not actively being questioned the first attorney the angela requests is his wife and he's told she refuses to come a public defender learns about the arrest on the news and she goes to the jail the next morning but the sheriff's department refuses to let her see the angelo. So she finds a judge and gets an order appointing her as counsel and she returns to the jail. The sheriff's department still turns her away for eight hours. Deangelis lawyers kept out. She stands on the sidewalk in frustration. While on the day after arrest she's trying to get in. The angelo is brought back into the interrogation room with a large bandage covering the top of the head that he buries in his beefy hands. Sources tell me that. Jailers' contend de angelo rammed his own head into a wall. He's alone for several hours until detective for mourned county. Show up when they do he says again. I wanna talk to an attorney with that said the detective replies. Do you mind if i just talk to you about this whole thing. I wanna talk to an attorney. Well just hear me out. They showed the angelo pictures of murder victims and leave him alone again. The photos on the table l. He whispers was. He reaches over to lift a photo jerks away as of bitten. Oh god de ngelo says goddamn. I've never seen this too before. I mean that's good dammit. We've remained seated income order department. Twenty four is back in session. We're back on the record people versus those of the angelo. We'll turn the defense offense. Wish to be her the court his move back to the sacramento state ballroom to accommodate all of the many victims lawyers and the massive case deliberately hidden from view. Is the belly chain locking deangelis to wheel chair. The sheriff's department is insisted on this added security. The prosecution teams take turns in a series of closing remarks requesting the harshest of penalties. It's finally time to pronounce the angelo's sentence but first following a secret script. Jones bowman calls for a brief recess. So diangelo can be wheeled offstage and his chains removed then back in session. Bowman offers dangelo a chance to speak. The defense team has been considering this with their client for a long time and once he started hearing the victim and packed statements. He felt very strongly that he wanted to do it again. There's always the concern that. What can you say that will be enough. Prosecutors debated the night before whether the angela would go through with this. Many dangelo will pass. But then the deputies behind the angelo's wheelchair take a step back. Mr dangelo would like to make a brief statement angela. Her diangelo smoothly rises from his wheelchair unassisted his hunched shoulders. Pull back his slump spine straight in his chest broad and flat. He has the form of an age gymnast in this moment the. Pa system falters all your eight minutes a each one of them. And i'm really sorry. Everyone events as judge. Beaumont takes the next twenty nine minutes to pronounce all the charges and life sentences and marie schubert and prosecutors row is struck by the sudden change. She's just witnessed very domineering. Very tall really imposing and to some extent it was just like maybe he wants the last word and that was like you are not the may on that she portrayed yourself to be more. Schubert knows what a letdown. This apology is pretty much. The most common questions from all of these victims is. Why why did you pick me. My family we. That's i mean that's where i went the stands up and says what he says is that it. It's all you got. There's so much more could say if he chose. And maybe it's a control thing for him. Because i he knows the answers to all of it the front of the ballroom. Judge bowman wraps up the case. Very quickly daniel. You're now remanded to bessie the sheriff sacramento. Liberty custody director fractions of rehabilitation. Serve the remainder of your life in state prison. We are joined. Phyllis hennemann saved her energy all week to be able to watch this moment in person. She's visibly exhausted. Is there sister. Rolls her out in her wheelchair and happy now to leave the case behind her power surprises folks. Dr phil was sincere. I just words just words what strikes jane. Carson sandler isn't deangelis brief apology. I was totally surprised. Totally surprised when he stood up tell quickly stood up. And how un frail a word on frail he looked. Yeah yeah do. I believe anything that he said now but. Da shubert isn't done with ngelo. She has something more to prove with the judge. Gone and the court adjourned. The prosecutor takes charge of the ballroom. All semblance of covid nineteen social distancing has dropped is media crews and crime victims crowd in. This will not be a normal host court. Press conference so after the The last two years of court proceedings. Many people have asked in wondered. Really who has joseph di angelo. The truth of who left. Dangelo is lies. Not just in what happened in the courthouse but what has happened in his jail. Cell schubert does not play the angelo's interrogation scenes. She plays portions of the jail cell video that the judge sealed earlier in the week on the screen. A twenty foot tall. Joseph diangelo stands erect in his cell and vigorously swings his arms above his head. Exercising his cane idle in the corner in another clip. He presses a wet paper tile with this foot and smoothly sweeps his leg crossed the floor in large arcs mopping every inch of his cell floor. The surprise in the ballroom is audible. When schubert shows the clip of the angelo climbing up onto a wall shelf to methodically set cards across a glaring florescent light and schubert flashes next to a photo of gay and bob hardwick living room the morning after gays rape a towel is draped by her rapist over the television to soften the light life when you see him doing the exact same thing with the light in the cell forty five years later that was to some extent hall. My holy shit. He's exactly the same person. He was forty five years ago. Villa sitka hannon's cancer progressed in early november. Several victims one of the original case. Detectives gathered at her bedside for small christmas celebration. They sang silent night. She died a week later. Gay hartwig received a written apology. The san joaquin county district attorney and at six thirty six. Am on november third the california department of corrections and rehabilitation showed up at the sacramento county jail and took joseph dangelo away. Sacramento victims were alerted. Gay hardwick again was left out From the los angeles times and wondering this is part ten of man in the window. If you'd like to help spread the word. Please give us a five star review and your friends to subscribe where available on apple podcasts. Spotify the wondering app or wherever. You're listening right now. Listen ad free by joining wondering plus in the wonder yup if you're listening on a smartphone tap or swipe over the cover art of this podcast you'll find the episode notes and you'll also find some offers from our sponsors when you support our sponsors. You help us bring you our shows for free and thank you. Deangelis jail cell videos maps photos and other information from the case can be found at l. a. times dot com slash m. i. t. w. also with the times you'll find exclusive reporting man in the window was written and reported by me page saint john original music by allison leyton brown music coordination in sound design for marcelino villalpando production. Assistance is from trust versity. Our editors of the los angeles times are steve clough. Abby fend for swanson and shelby grad executive produced by george lavender marshal louis and hernan lopez for wondering won't.

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Scene of the Crime Trailer: Delphi Murder Case

Death by Misadventure: True Paranormal Mystery

06:16 min | 1 year ago

Scene of the Crime Trailer: Delphi Murder Case

"Hi this is Jaycee Nova with death by misadventure. There's an important Horton new true crime. PODCAST that I'm trying to raise awareness about it's called scene of the crime and this season features the unsolved case of the Delphi. Murders a brand new collaboration between abject entertainment and high studios scene of the crime is cutting edge narrative style true crime podcast the a closely examines one case per season and enlists experts and people connected to the case to help tell the story join. The hosts each Thursday as they dive of deep into the mystery of what happened on that dreadful Valentine's Day you're about to hear a clip of scene of the Crime Delphi while you're listening. Be Sure to subscribe to the show on the Himalayas APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening in scene of the crime season one Delphi. We explore the February two thousand seventeen murders of Abigail Williams and liberty German in Delphi Indiana. It could have been any one of our kids could have been anyone at the bridge that day across rigid. Understand right. Yeah like a scary scary ties Rod. It scares me so for somebody to be able to cross it. He's moving well enough that he has to know the I remember when I was down there. They were surfing out like how everybody was going to surge and they kind of put everybody in screw they look for anything. That was suspicious or that. We thought like maybe something in that. We weren't supposed to touch anything that we were just supposed to allow that. I knew something really bad happened. My biggest fear is that whoever did this with do it again. I don't want that to happen to another family. Because I'm telling you guys hell. Those girls loved each other good friends neither one of them left each other side. Both those girls are heroes. It's hard for me to believe anybody could do something so so bizarre and horrible and not feel compelled to tell somebody about it. You'll hear from Abbey End Libya's families who share things from their perspective or worked out. I knew I knew this was not good. I had a feeling that it wasn't good. I wanted to be hopeful but I think when they said the word body a Russian to me and it told me they're not here anymore. I think that he told me. Libya's pray that the Dr was when I really got to serve that something was in Brighton. Understanding our lives have turned three hundred sixty degrees in another hundred and eighty you know what I mean. It's hard to explain. We all got shocked into the regular world's reality in the beginning you had people acting like we took them out in the middle of nowhere. Drop them off on a trail fix but the trails are what kids did. My biggest fear was that I was going to recognize that Roy and it would be somebody we knew we watch the people around to because we know that he's there somewhere so it also causes us to trust people. Detectives were like this. It's not going to take that long into small towns. Somebody's GonNa say something wrong. If it's all going to be over soon people leave their doors. Unlocked leave the keys in the car. Our garage doors open at night. I mean that's just the way it was. Unfortunately this changed all that Derek takes a day by day maybe reclose through a lot of like they had their own. I'm little Bond Jerry struggle. He was working for them when the cure was probably bear. That is devastated and thinking. I couldn't save. You'll also hear from experts trying to help us understand the case Paul holes the renowned former detective and DNA expert whose work doc helped bring the alleged golden state killer Joseph di Angelo to justice shortly after solving the Golden State killer case. I did speak with with an investigator that was involved with the Delphi. Murders Colleen Fitzpatrick the renowned forensic genealogists and one of the founders of the DNA doe project. They like you and me shake hand out somewhere to store and they haven't seen you shake hands Cuba us and you know we talk a minute and go away and then I go. I go into a house been shown that because we shook man when I touch the doorknob your team. They might be on the DOORKNOB. Dr Catherine Katherine M Brown an expert in child abductions and murders healthy betcha. Murderers into the themselves are incredibly rare. But the abduction of two children at one time hind even rarer. I've only seen a couple in my entire careers. Then Carroll County Prosecutor Robert Is there is a lot of crime scene evidence Some of it is somewhat odd. The crime scene was physically strange. There was no logical reason. Anybody would have known those girls were the other that day you'll also hear from. The people tasked with trying to identify the killer. Why Libby why abby why Delphi I say that because this is classic example of a clear example that evil lives amongst us? We are investigating this as as a trying seen. We suspect foul play life. He has done this before personally. No Conscience sociopath. We do have some new information for you. Today it's in the form of of a audio file from the cell phone that Liberty German had with her at the time in those two young girls. Were everybody's daughter. I refuse to accept evil as a standard bearer in American society. I I believe we're one piece of the puzzle. Wave figuring out who this individual is to the killer who maybe in this room. Do you want to know what we know. One day you will scene of the crime season one episode one will debut on January second two thousand twenty. Be Sure to subscribe to scene of the crime wherever you listen into podcasts. So you don't miss an episode.

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MTK Global SignsMexican-American Champion Joseph Diaz Jr.and Talented Lorenzo Simpson

Tha Boxing Voice

1:09:48 hr | 5 months ago

MTK Global SignsMexican-American Champion Joseph Diaz Jr.and Talented Lorenzo Simpson

"Did for mature audiences the views and opinions expressed are those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael. Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For boxing voice. DOT, com. The. Fun. Watching. This. One. Would take power. Dot Com I want. To See. What up what up welcome back ladies and gentlemen coming back you some breaking news is a two parter. You know some of this news is a week old but this particular first half is an hour old and we're talking about MT K. global signing the Mexican American champion. The first Mexican American Champion and Joseph Di is junior coming off his big win versus seven from Philadelphia and they signed last week. Calvin trained. Devante Davis, you know stablemate the talented Lorenzo Truck Simpson as well to an advisory deal. Now, the athlete was the first to report I believe on both but definitely, sources let the ethnic no today that Joe Joe has become empty K. globals first American champion. And This is what we're going to be talking about Joseph Di. Assigning. Lorenzo Truck Simpson signing in the fact that this is a. UK. Middle Eastern, Abu Dhabi. I don't even know where these guys are located I duNNo. As KENA. Hans still involved who signing up all these people because empty K. has slew of fighters. These are just two Americans. They have Tyson Fury Josh Teller Jazz Warrenton Billy Joe Saunders. Tons of guys. But this is where we're going to be talking about interested. You already know hit that. Helps with the visibilities show also let us know that you enjoy breaking news subjects and you want us coming back with multiple shows per day if you haven't already done. So go ahead and subscribe to the youtube channel hidden is refreshed. Last episode we one, hundred, fifteen, thousand, two, hundred, and ninety seven. We're still at two, hundred, Ninety, seven we need three people. We did three people. It's just three. Mario. Mongolia. In Corpus Alexander Lyonnaise in New Jersey. What do What up fellas what is what is going on? Is what I gotTa say do me there right yeah. I'm always here but you. What camera you know that right? To say well now. We care. See. What? I have. No. I have no blockage here. Well, that might be that might be because you went on your other on your other phone. But look look we got a special guest house accent him he on looks like he's available Spence affair on what's going on brother I. Know you're okay. Glow adviser you're also I believe you told me a few months ago that you were going to be. In charge of signing the American. Fighter. So was it actually you found the talent and Truck Simpson? Lorenzo, and Joe Joe Dias or what could you give us? Any prepared quotes MT K may have? A second sells in charge of signing the American fighters per se by do have a hand in it. So there's a couple of kids that were speaking to now. It's like Mt Kate Global Represent. MTA Global and is a global organization. So it's not just going to be for UK basis not just GonNa be full to European flights is going to be. A global entity and that's they're doing so. Nothing more. Can Be. IS A. Up Now we hear you clearly. Yeah. Good. No No. No I know you do. Changing over the phone. But yet. So he sees one of those things and global and that's it. They're they're making the right moves. And signing up prospects thinking just about today. About ten years down the line. Now now, could you tell us on the latest Joseph Di as first Mexican American champion to sign to Empty K. global what was the thought process behind there? What is it that you see in the former Olympian? He's telling visiting. Well. I mean as as his new advisor, I'm trying to give you an opportunity to to to tell us why he's talented. Tell us why you? Look. Look, skillset. Look how frozen punches look how takes arrange at. Dougy distance, very, very good at jumping distance, and so it's blooms this like. That's a good sign. Right I knew a while ago that there were a couple of guys in the states who? Who are like scowl impact tk global who who had I only him so I spoke to a couple of the guys down there And it's been done now, right so sue great. I've I've really I. Realize Look Lorenzo Simpson I think he's a great talent is well. It's only gonNA grow every every week you're gonNA hear of a new site new cited new side of new side that we're gonna come and take little. And that's a great thing but. Now. What is it that you think or you can let us know I guess that? Makes Empty K. global stand apart from other advisers or managerial. Entities out there. And I'm GonNa tell you why. Right the thing that makes Mt Kate Globe different is because as a global entity, they have every spectrum. Right Of Humanity What can within the company? Number one, number two, they're not coming from. Of Money Bay situation where they're just think will let's make money. Money they are genuinely and I have to say this clever on the foundation right the your genuine to the fact of trying to help people get to it you WANNA get. Right and it's not a money based thing energy based. Right so his energy so I think when a trying to do their very spiritual based company which is trying to. Trying to raise the, energy levels. And raise light the Gravitas of of of site you're the guys that are. In the game and because of that that I'm I'm really really grateful to be working for the company or be a part of the company I'm very. Thankful that. They told me this maybe two years ago. They'RE GONNA guy to American I'm to do this and do that and they spoke to some very very top names I'm not gonNA call their names who they are. Right it's both some top names. And who wanted to ever want to jump ship and they said, it's not right to jump ship come to us when you're your contracts finished. So you're GONNA see a lot of these big name guys come over his will. But right now they're saying we have to think about JEB. enlists think about building foundation especially over in the states and they're doing it. And you'll see. Now. to likly. We See Empty K. global fighters eventually and with top rank or Frank Warren. You guys exclusive to those promoters once they once once again once again. Mt Kate. Global fires. Fi. On. Top rank fight on his own with Educate global fight fight mattress shows match insure it'll go on. Mt Kate Global Fire on there there's not a break. We a Frank Warren show that doesn't go one does not Anti K. global fighter on there there's no. There's no taught rent show that don't go on that. There's not an empty cake local fire so they've got that. Kind of already so Agassi their work with whoever I reckon. I can be brazed enough because. The new CEO of the company Welby. A beautiful human being used to be A. use be talk guy out in America on a couple of mercantil channels out there sports so. It's about building my friend. That's what it's about and that's what anti kickoff wealthier right now. I told you about going on this. Really. Yet right I told you. It's going to be. So let's. Take. The take over you better. Be careful saying we're having Aj when he said that. This whole is aging is AJ promotion company. I'm just saying. Those words. Come back to bite you in the but one one second one second one second is AJ. Global entity as one second mate once again. Not that now son. Sons trying to get into a car to open up the call. So, we can get these glasses. So I'm saying to you they. Say by AJ said that eighty reset that by doing it by himself For sure for sure I was just. Trying to though some comment come out. Your. Cool. Wants to see. I got I know. I know the graft and the hard work, and it's it's it's also about collaboration. It's not about being greedy and what about brothers and sisters down MT K. Global because they they act. Like thirty and you've never heard of a fight over MTA global yet and league it's never been done before. Right, so Oversea there are company that work with Integra not many companies do. Right or like you been speak to the main person where your heart and things don't happen to you and all of a sudden you get wayside because it happened solar dairy in in realized, right? In in in realizing. Self Worth. And they're the ones they do but I'm I'm great. It's a great time. So the invoked in this thing by friend. So in the Renzo is he still going to fight on PBC car because he was scheduled for Aug Swinney nine, five. Thank you supposed to be finding. A. Fight on that show. A spink regulatory, his uncle. and. Yet I I believe that is the case. All right guys, WanNa jump in I'm sorry I hold my Spencer. No, it's okay. Hey Spencer. Undoing. Good Man I'm doing good congratulations on everything listen You Know I. Have My ideas of what this does for a Joe Joe Dias. But. But can you give us any you know and it doesn't have to be specifics I mean, if you WanNa give us specifics that'd be great. But what does this do I like how? How does this open a month? I e. Versus where he's been act now. How the open up. He's opened up I, leave open open them up because we got the best negotiations for him. Right he's he's got guys moving tankers not putting themselves first and and they run by trying to I'm sorry it sounds so cliche but they run by the the metric is no I in team and team stands for together together everyone achieves more and that's what they move with and I'm a big believer in I'm a big advocate of because I know will that company? Has Done for me per se and the company has done for the people who I've known who have joined the company and it's all about loyalty people need to realize that loyalty is royalty and I think if he's got that kind of mental behind him where he's got that safety behind and you know the game, you guys speaking of the game, you know there's lot skulduggery. `ISMs and schisms behind the in the sport of boxing. Right and it's not just in one country. So global thing. So Mt Kate Global it take away from that essay. Let's have our own global identity and let's put low tears royalty. Transcends everything right? Because we go, we go bigger legis now with FEMA boxing right now I don't know if you saw the fire on the weekend just gone with John Versus hop on the best price I've seen it was incredible fight. It was a very good fight not just a good fight for female boxing partake great four bucks. That's what was a skill level was on a was really update so because that. And the? Cape Global Right so I'm saying because. There is A. is going to be a global identity that is going to touch empty K. global that if you want to be treated. And I'm saying this now. You'll be treated fairly unity. YOU WILL BE A. Push up the rings you want to be treated like a human being. Properly and not like a piece of me, which is so profound in boxing then come to antique. Noble. So there's no division was sitting down all. The WI FI is in America. You know maybe they're going to go with bring a larger Hispanic fires they're going to go with golden. The Black Friday is going to go PVC at Alabama know run-up. Tk Global. Will one race, we are one family and we are going to be we're going to be. Trust me I'll just go. So I'm so excited my friend. was going champ. It's Alex here with two, I just. Love Pretty good of man. Happy for K. Right. Because Joe Joe's a hell of a fighter. What was any I mean, do you know of any promises that were probably made or if they were made in order to get signing and was this styling offer was Joseph readily excited from the beginning or or this is some things that he negotiated I mean, what could you tell us about the signing? brought. Policy say that Thi all Right. WINDOW IS A. is a set right We're speaking of this guy that the left it at that. Jimmy. So it's no good like this will go on this like. Where the energy is right? The energies right. Running down things you don't need to run it down because we'll Smith which ut. He's GonNa come to you. and. That's the mantra empty global. For they guy to America. But you know what? It's going to be kinda difficult to America's biggest black fighters. Jimmy. Can Be difficult because I'm at the company a strong. Company everyone knows on side the ICED we have so many. Different people. In the company, the dice, what about reaching out and this way you can also the best deals but when you're dealing with people who do with integrity scientist. This is the thing that people sit on all you dealing with integrity I. I could tell you hang on heart that company deals. We can take her teeth thrust. What about telling us I mean what about telling if this signing means we're going to get the rematch with former. You know what? I can't tell you that. What about what about this this? I'd like to see that rematch. Would you? saw. A rematch clause and we haven't heard anything other but so then. What about this? So far for the public looking in. On the outside looking in. Tyson. Theory's been the biggest thing that empty case been able to do. Can you help us or make us aware of other things on that level and what I mean is When Tyson signed Mt K., you know he got to fights in between the while defied he renegotiated he got an alleged hundred plus million he signed atop bring it was. A lot that was attached to signing an empty. Four. Hold on hold on four Tyson. We haven't heard that for Lorenzo we haven't heard that for Joseph Di as we haven't heard that for Josh Taylor like Oh wow. He signed a one hundred million dollars like we didn't hear some say. You know what you know why? Because money talks. And wealth whispers. That's why you ever heard on what these guys those obviously and must have been a lucrative dole an come along. Right is little hair say nonsense. twinkie by now. None of the. Results are interweave Renzo Lorenzo Simpson number wait I not insinuating that. I'm not insinuating that there isn't any deals or the or that it's fake. What I'm saying is, are there any big home runs like, Tyson? Because you know signing a one hundred million dollar deal is a home run for a fighter. We caught sacred. Wait. That there's going to be that kind of money on the table face. Eighty. One second one second just one second. My son's asked me to move some stuff. going. Your Nah I I was just actually you to let me know any other home runs like as big as the fury do. Well. You know what? It's going to be very difficult to get a deal as big as a job because we understand realistically to the metrics and the physicality of Tyson curious a heavyweight right and also, and also ties very charismatic heavyweight. Right who doesn't fight the way of his body shorter and he's an incredible talk, right? So the heavyweight something generate the most money, there's a reason why Tyson fury. And in boxing was the highest grossing. In in in the foods magazine, that's not a British publication American publication was highest earner. So there's a reason behind that. So obviously, we can't come with figures like, Oh, well, this person is going to get on the same. Level as Tyson Intrigue Trigo because that'd be ridiculous but I do know. MT K. global everybody gets treated fairly right and you don't. You don't get. Your worth is you get your negotiate and I, love for a fact that. He would negotiate a we could do trust me on that one. I. Spencer, do you think that because you mentioned the fact you know it's like Oh you know if you're you know this guy is going to go golden boy after this guy, you're GonNa go PBC do you think that that's an issue in boxing specifically Mexican fighters where yes, they are sought after because is such a big Mexican demographic in boxing or I should say Hispanic Sauce Latin but do you think that this move is the kind of move that would help like a Hispanic fighter Joe's very popular in the California area techs expand their brand globally. And do you think that's missing him boxing? Under. And and he will expand just wash his face. Bravo. You mean, what's the space? It's exciting time. Now. Go ahead Alex no does is going back to to to where he was saying about You know. The, company being a family and you know everybody you know good energy and you know just all the stuff that goes on it gets thrown around the social media about certain companies and and and and the way certain fighters talk about it is that something to empty as is is. Like the way you're pitching the company is that something that that you're you're you're you want to reach all ears of all fighters so that they know that when when they come to Mt k. the everyone's welcome. bought. Bump nine is share bottom line assist. I've run empty global foundation the on with the company for for a few years now, right? To, do that was set for me was done on a contract it was initially the handshake. Handshake for about a year and hall nearly two years before contract that she put into place and I was only after right. To give back to the community by also boxing base and we also now have. Global Kademi, which has just opened up with boxing based. Teach young kids getting off the streets and stuff like that. Right MT K. as a brand it's not just to say I'm not I'm not being advocates say oh well. I'm just telling you how is if you're black firing American you and you were you looking to get signed to our payment. and. That's the truth. Right. Because you think you never black guy to understand me a gay. Issue Mexican fire you WanNa go along the Oscar de la Hoya. Iconic superstar when he was fighting and he's doing these places business, right? So it again, like I don't get it I understand it. But what I'm trying to say, let's encompass the whole. Family and no company is going to do that. But the company that time at Mt Keiko doing that. Period. Let's be real. Let's call it is. So by them going to make right then going. To Saifi in American be a couple of fires right now speaks to a couple of people right now there's a couple of guys the joining in Lord arrested right and to on his trip but I'm speaking to the heads and the company. They're saying okay. Then we'll. Fit this certain kids say all maybe it'll be watching. But is it going to help him in life ain't gonNA call the names but is it going to help you? My life was going to call it is going to help them life they said, don't worry by I'm doing it because your mind is spent. So you pro kid to us and the story now we'll company else is going to. Speak we'll ever company's going to do that. Yeah. I don't think I actually that probably leads. Into the next anybody listened to me anybody listen on the books in your professional fire but term pro you go good I'm sure could you tell you your pets? They'll. I'm saying to you. I don't need to say come to US come to US come to us because energy goes where it flows they'll come anyway you want to get this what I'm trying to say I'm not saying that none of these companies look after to the. Right, but we'll sake I'm going by my own experience, and if you WanNa get Treated v best. That you have to come to mt go as soon was. How much money's being thrown at guys or this or that or didn't. Know because that ain't my position to really get to talk about. Human beings financing I hits dinner but ym hits do is tell you now straight category you WanNa get treated the best right. Into the best matches you, WanNa. Be a fire that you fill. Your worth and also yourself were you want all those kind of things than Mt. cake global is the place to be. Rich. So so let me ask you because one of the issues that we have in boxing is when one fighters on one side of the street and another fighters, another side street. So let's say tank. Let's say Joe Joe Take is this fight easier to make now that he's with empty gay or is it still you know I like League does out Is it easier to make that kind of fight or those kinds of fights across the street. It's easiest those kinds of fights if the head Laboon of Mt Kate Global thing that is worth taking those fights than those things or the obstacles that are there. Right. Can't be supposed I. Know This. Trust me. So you're saying that if like, let's say Let. Let's just speak for instance with like Joe and tank right? Like if if there's a pay per view online, you're saying that if that. Does it benefit. Joe Joe as much as we think then it won't happen. But if it were to benefit him than that is a fight that can easily be made or easy but you know it can be made versus right now it seems like couldn't just under golden boy. One hundred percent you can't be made. Okay. I mean I would be. You know if I would assign the empty K.. I. would be telling them or you're GONNA get me to tank fight because he's by the door pay per view Leo my division. And I love things you. that. Will take the possible. Spend. You giving us some. Not only. Cryptic. Dislike. Answer you know? No no no. In the company Line No. Not True Answer. Just the right answers like Dan. Listen to I'm saying to you. Is. Going to happen because I know that the people behind MT global box events right there books. Answer. Unlike many people who talk books, but reading books in finds, it's just a business. Right. There folks, implants. Right and. Take these that you took a sport. But in the antiquities to their fight is the president can't. Yeah I get I get that like you're saying basically like you know the fights that the fans WanNa see oftentimes don't happen because the people behind those fights are thinking business i. Buy. You are intelligent. Mind my friend. Why got you on the show you a smart guy. Thank you. Thank you for your time. You've been always. How will always on short notice we appreciate it. Let me tell you this year when it comes to America and on a on on the pulling power the books invoices begun for I don't need that for about five years now. About. Nine. Nine years while I've known. Eight eight eight I would say eight why probably taking on say the last five years. And you guys on. Your may you guys grafting you guys pushing forward and I'm telling you now that? You know for a fact that that Once be Affleck's update shows workers will. The books voice be front row to cover up stuff money. 'cause you guys a realist and I've got nothing but love respect for everybody you guys on your panel or So be yourself I'm about to fry some steak right now but the family, some peace thing about. Once again. So. Good. So Good Empty K. Global representative giving us a little info. I do want to see what it does for. Joe. Joe. Joe has huge fights, which, of course, Stevenson he for call title shot. In data be a huge fight. He can he he could. He could offer devante Lille Santa Cruz A. Unification. and. Then don't forget. Let's see ev- empty cake could get him the ABN Amoros fight abner was trying to put himself in the mix, and while that might not be a fight for us to hardcore. That's a FIFA Joe get their name out there. Yeah. Definitely. you know listen this is A. Not Strange Situation I guess strangers but listen this is a situation. I? Don't think I expected and because it was so an expected, I I have to believe. That there were certain. Things. Put Rob Evil. And you know he couldn't get specific and that's fine. You know you said it himself like it wouldn't be accurate if you were to talk about it because he doesn't have those insights at this moment and that's fine that said though I think that all of us can agree that when situations like this occur, it's based off those promises. You know what? I'm saying like like look FA didn't just sign with top rank or James Prints off of a win, he wasn't just thinking one day you know what? I really like scarface zero and the ghetto boys I think I'm going to sign with the guy that you know random like no wasn't like You know what I mean. They must have had conversations there must have been things like, yeah we could do this. We can do that. You know this is on the table and he said Whoa that's you know that's where I got to be. So in a situation with Joe Joe, their fights out there that aren't even like on the horizon for him because they. Just can't be made right now. You know they don't need Joe Dias Ipcc Leo's Santa Cruz Right now. So those are the fights that they make with them. Right? But we would love to see Joe Joe Dias in there with a Leo Santa Cruz or with the tanker or whoever you know what I mean this. He got that one chine that every matches locked and loaded. So yeah, which that's true. That's what we're going to see I and I'm interested in seeing that I see some ten former videos I mean I. don't know if he's got camp right? He's been trained to man. He's he wants it back. So that's what I wanna see but there's a lot of interesting fights man this this occurred. Miguel Gel. Is? Who is Miguel with man I'm so terrible with these promotions in. Merrill's laughing at borough. They're like what? But they just killing olds No they're hilarious. Yeah. That whole division is is is is loaded man and with empty K. being able to do business with different people man that these can more than happen. Yeah I hope I think it look. It's this is a tough look. This was supposed to be a new show. You know we come out we'd saw everybody the news you know get people talking about it. We're going to hear what the callers thing right but it's a really difficult show to offer anything unless you're within the camp and because. You know at the at the surface of this, just the optics zoom out and you look at the optics of it. You know it's it's something that happens all the time. Right you know fighters signing with a management company or or an adviser right and I don't know if having so many cooks in the kitchen is always a great idea or having so many hands in the pocket. So I don't know you know what this does to his golden boy situation in terms of you know how they're you know what I'm saying like that. I don't WANNA call Delahoya specifically but that relationship what it does to that. But ultimately. Empty Gaze on this takeover thing, you know a year from now, how many more fighters are we gonNA, see sign with them. You Know How many? How many more American fighters and you know globally like? At the end of the day, if we can get them all under one roof, like that's the ultimate goal. I just think that there's so much innuendo here. And everything associated and everything we've known about the company just I. It's really hard to pinpoint what does you know what I mean and what this really means because the conspiracies out there and just everything so I don't know stop it's a tough one. My final thoughts. All right. Well, let's go out to the sponsors than a quick word. Backwards quick classes and hit the call of spruce. Subscribe. To Youtube, dot com slash boxing voice play the latest and greatest interviews with told favorite fighters. Redskins, rich kids of Patriarch. Now, shut out the risk listen risk it. He actually is fighting at one thirty so I mean if he can make one thirty. Unification with Joe Joe would be big especially if you beat one. Lille Santa Cruz Mexican. These calls are brought to you by L. Camino. Services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations in turnkey installation visit us at El Camino, electrical services, DOT com. Remember to rate is five stars on itunes. All. Right. Going out to Caesar in. This what up. Sees. Caesar's listening trae. In Obey Its own you. My Background Shady Dog. But My background. My background is well. I fucking ice cream for bed who he is a terrible terrible. I mean he was one thousand, nine, hundred settlers. boop leaking PAT. y'All. L. Shit. Tucker Sno forty. Oh. Fell off his chair role. That is hilarious. Can I get a? Trait stay kill him. She called them a bootleg. What did she say bootleg in a tap? Dance? I SORTA got. Late usually it's like one or two three people on the Chad like really into into the conversation and the topic in their funny. But like Bro Killing it's hilarious. who's next on the line It's I. Think it's Nice online hoax. J. Man. Two inches for J. accident that was to. But don't. The smartest thing if you do. Stay away from. If I'm challenge one. Hundred. BILLION EAT. Right, just WANNA listen today he said he was just listening. One and s working construction or you just listening. Yeah Yeah that's fishing song you playing that you're gonNA have forever. I like that Spencer Guy. Johnson. fucking now parts with the. Cursing. Bombs in half a second. Nine can't go. Mike Tyson in whoever has that that has like good curses in like two seconds. Earning. Some next and then you got homeboy talk about fifteen million. I don't know what the heck. Yes. especially the do now like the way he always tries to stretch. Then His own with night pretty much. Data. On second. Second One second stuck in my head I forgot what you're saying. Yeah. Yes. Yes. That was excellent. Asif. Episode last year. Joe Dias. Here. I think he's not Surprised golden boy. Golden boy but I'm again let you go against us in my any legal. It's just as an adviser. This is a managerial kind of advisory. You know I say manager when it's not it's an advisory, but it seems like you need to hear managerial not used specifically. The these are the new advisory contracts and And this is how it is. But listen you need an advisor to navigate you to those muddy waters. Do you really imagine what I mean would have been if he would've still with us when he was with us, he was undefeated. He did our around April. A, lot of hearts in the stable and shit because you know a lot of us is like ten man that that was that was demand, right? It was like. Jim He just left. I had to sick you on them like a like an on a on a war or there must occur can't remember. I I. Remember I remember physically forget it. You'll love my face every result why we're going to Keam in Florida. Let me get a little flashy flash if you're. Ready to buy. Just listened and I guess now going to King on on a truck would it do wooded? Do Do King Boone? What us? ME. Don't try to prey. On. Checkout me with that. Topic let's get suspicious of. them out. Here. Come back to you when you drive ten more miles that's going to be only like five minutes, ten minutes for you because you you. You want some bad service area know when the truck would it do? What do it? Know, are. You available Bob. Looks like No. Going to intrigue the Boomerang Ian is you available? The Bull. Tree. Yes. Mad because they still like me. He Mad. Because he can't keep talking. Jumped on and I ain't I mean not at the saw just dropped. It's pretty simple empty K. global signs. Joseph Jazz junior who is promoted by Oscar de la Hoya and golden boy. And last week, they signed Lorenzo truck, Simpson, who was supposed to be promoted by devante Davis Promotions trained by Calvin Ford. Okay all they signed trump timeout from. ATLANTA. Child. Was Up. And they're they're K. base but you know they say they're global. Matt. What's up how get another sale nets up at the? Thank you. Thank you for your continued support. Now is choosing US listen to we do appreciate it. You know Sony. Would up. Was Good. was. Nothing must not. All Diaz is to Mt Kfi like that. You know. Just. Hope that we get that remastered that big fight that he. was earlier this year or late last year so as long as we get that. Good with that I'm glad you cleared that up from I think it was Watson the Bronx 'cause he. Did He lied golden boy that I'm glad you cleared that up. You know before in before. I. Leave off. You know this is only the commissioner. This is Sony the box bars fan we would like to let it be known de we all feel what's bouncing bars at king mean is one of the best boxer bars leases out there and we don't care what you say disparity, his name we all feel like he's in Ho Ho how Qinghai How am I? His name. Well, you're you're saying that he duck more yo you never got Morio you're calling duck live. So hold on. Hold on hold on hold on hold on. You got the message I gave to you, right. But you took it out of context what he said. Oh Oh I did how do that? Tell me please explain Because he was not saying. He was he was he was asking you that he wanted to battle me or greatest you made it seem like but I was so chasm. Bro, that was so. He to take? No no no I'm not saying I'm saying he the message about you were sarcasm. Essential screen. Shy Look at even used emojis. When I said when I said who you want next I got limited text there. So any confusion in what I asked you who you want next period His words are. Not sure yet. Emoji thinking man you love for me to battle cash easy or Mario but maybe I take on one of the more liberal guys like greatness or Sony. Hands Up Emoji over the show like I don't know Emoji. Okay. Then he goes on to say you or Sony have anyone in mind. So I know all that other Shit and say if you want Mario, our give them to you. And he says, it would be great for the show but check with either Sony or greatness and see what their interest is for the battle never heard from them again, what does that sound like to you? Did he ever say, yes, Gherman did he ever say yes is it hard to type why E. S.? Dot Is Sony trying to pay me I like some liars. Now, if you want to save them, save them but don't make me the liar I got the screen shot. Still and now just saying you know I thought, we just say we had respect for King of. Peace stable like. They it is. You don't he today Matt Day Mad I'm telling the truth he was undefeated with us. He left he not. That's it is facts so they may. Not My fault, you choose who you choose a sign with. I think do me said it best? You know he said he left it was like a blow to US morale. Wise. I mean we picked ourselves up no big deal. But at the end of the day, we ought be everybody respects him. I. Didn't even take it like it was like a duck took it like he was saying like. I'm not on his radar like. Title off. With kid gloves if I mean catch feelings for this, like awesome personal should this is retarded because this is like some imaginary boxing. Buttons but shutout. Stainless to bro Big Time Dance, right? Oh? Yes. chump Dima stainless his daughters going to college today. So. He's low nervous you know. Quarantine right. Quarantine but she's got to stay within the school. She can't leave the grounds apparently. Valley, why is the commission involved in such things? They love they love putting the cable burn. Jt Promotions or whatever I thought ness have free rein to to match me. A my question is the same who you want I'll never come and nobody all sweet who you want. Simple But Damn sailors man pres- out to you man but don't worry about it. Be Happy your daughter's going right back to college and that's a great thing man hopefully, everything. Works out. But I'm what you say rob I never heard of emotional rappers. So I'm assume that is the commission and and and now means fan base getting emotional and not I mean 'cause I know I mean again emotional. But we're going to Steve, apologies Steve Keeping you hold on. Town. Hey Daddy this adult. Still. Thing hit pretty hard steve. Up Champ Change Steve's on muted benign here you buddy. Hello I guess he's not talking Tj you're up. Here. What's going on? y'All y'all footy. It's the bar morale we had. Don't. Was it was devastating. For me to be like he pulls some ends wc or CD whatever them wrestling fake dude ran on the other side like Yo yo it's like. Perfect picture right there wrestling match all say your man's hit you with the chain. Like Hey Joe J. When he first signed I'm like you all Mari like now want to fight in then Mario. So I, give them the to fights when it's time to give him Mario he signed a J. To. Get. That Patterson. Yeah that's funny. You. Know you want somebody loosen. Announce? A. I ended up in about. I mean we just sat that like I just sent the Toga mission. Because this is. Just this. y'All break new have. We doing the TJ gotta put Tj. I do because he already got a win over cash was TJ versus in a rematch. TJ decided to give him a rematch right now 'cause casuals at his heart is coming off the the big Y. P. Win. Then he B J p from Long Beach last week right? Or was it I mean. You. Not Looking at you. I don't know. Who? cash just be I know he got to back to back wins now? You know cheapie. BJP. Guys Go. Away bought a one like oh see see PJ PJ. So I a Bar I'm just saying you gotTA. Acronym bodied or you jt so it's like Cyp J. De you're GonNa know my name. Disrespect I got. All. WHO Let. Let me know. Day, Heat C. J. J. T. C. C.'s you've got to distinguish yourself as too many acronyms out there. Yeah you gotta get rap name. I'M GONNA, keep it as he. Works. You. Still you got you undefeated we're like we're like. You know. A law explanation you. Yes? Yeah. because. I don't WanNa, drop your record now got one of those got good representation. I. I won't be. I was shot. Give me this week. It's funny that you say that look at do me how he's thinking he's thinking the way I was thinking do me he wanted to drop his second single so he trying to sell. He tried to sell ringtone. So we do me international right now he dropped the I ring tone and single last weeks call we ought to champion son I'm sorry. If You Say I. Got I. Got Another piece coming. He by the driver's Sehgal A. Reality Show Pretty Soon I'm telling build do me up. Singing the chorus on the on the on the track. Go. You going going going to track. Live. You're saying that. Cj Days Call. Let me seeing of that battle for real. TRAE in the bay without. Veil or still in the busy background. A year man they didn't do taking that read battle take a little. Coy He better not had called filling Sony, you better fix that relationship man you know I don't even know what? WAS GOING ON WITH Hurts repeating quit show because he loves. Doing stand up comedy somewhere. Might, presume. He's. Got a little pass open enlisted man listed if everybody had empty K. global talks like Farrand Kit and boy, the world trouble man they just got ripped off do what was that car game they put in the state of New York that's what they do. The sound like Meh. Cameras they'd be like. Three three cards. Man He's telling like a scam though. What's three cards. THREE-CAR POCO. three-car like you know when when they got it on the core, a cardboard box and see what cards. Really do that out there come watch. Here we play. Dominos. On the corner in the house. The park. I never, GonNa stop. Dice for sure we did dyson school issue. Should I do it all? We be seen as out in the street and filling them up with visor jumping. Let's go Chan. Call box with no three cards to get that that. Take Office. About running like in the movies, it's just those dudes are good at deception. Super. That's what they practice long. Retire Molly they you go. There you go. Yeah. GTO instagram and twitter catch on the next one. Looks like we're going to be doing some sort of overtime tonight seven PM. Eastern. yeah peace. And twitter at Moma Ghia on ist the Graham. Alex underscore. Doomsday underscore I N. E. Z. same on on twitter. TV. They said, we ain't get the king born you right? Because he was in the mountains what a chance. To go back a yellow. Call Marley. And like a say. Which? World thing I don't know maybe like he got a lot of game with him you. Game over there don't let Russo Truck Simpson just switched up over. There is the Rizzo going there. He's better get some good advice. You'd better get it poppin over there at your less than five dollars now. So you know we sold. As right I apologize for not even ringing a bell arena bell for fewer yards shot out to a few. Let me just go directly to us. So everybody gets a proper. You know thank. You, know we got to rewrite it. Let people know exactly. Do me say he was going to say delete on now. He just going slow like always you know. Why are you gotTa Watch a stomach and they've pat me in the back. A love tough love. Listen if I if I tell you you great your complete. So I can never tell you. You're great. You gotTA strive to be great time. Even when we think you great, there's gotTa be more to go. We gotTA push each other. We gotTA crack the Metaphor metaphorical whip on each other. So this is a smoke. You Know Mario. Let me tell he's not even A. Cool whip on his ass seen a here to compliment my was like Oh do sign different because it's like formatted different and flows. So well now by only at as Mario but anyway shot out to. We're going to start from the bottom and I I am now we and now we. Re going from. King Bone. Saying. started. At three dollars now he hit filming mood us you get to listen to order untitled colon and listen to the untitled be all entitled to be part of all the film study. Tuesday's be part of all the border wars, which is bad the combat you could go right now king when you had a truck stop, you could go back and see me spaw CDU me spa with pros you could see our old Pfizer Boorda war see all the Info Joe, you call them no g go see. Info. Joe At like sixty seven down with a thirty five relented and win. I'm lying he ain't sixty-seven. He's going to get pissed off but Bob Joe. Joe Joe Joe got in some NASTY SHAPE JOE's out here doing push us like he was down in reading. You can go check that out because you defy. You just got. You know it's just GonNa. Take you some time to find. You don't have to scrub. Down at Patriae on. But my soon, all that stuff would be in a playlist and better excessive here. Too. And I'm super excited because the I'm making that video this week for your. So jacket understand what we're doing how it's GonNa Affect, their Patriots were shot. He said just seeing someone just seeing Nesbitt up someone yeah. He was watching what? y'All got sparring there with pros where you see me get beat up I don't i. don't care. I'll put it out I ain't afraid all. In the some pro Samantha's they put it on. You gotta take. Lixin spawn. You get to see also the veterans of the wars. Tank. Joe, you can ever cruise go all the way back and see some of the former co host Mike Mike Sparring Mike Nussbaum but his fight is on in my wheelchair fight his own in you know a couple of Matt's fighters on you know. But anyway, real quick. We got shot out Iron Sal Young Mike Tyson issue he used to be a young might Tyson histories. He signed up the border wars he fought one time he did real real good, and then he got domesticated you know both houses opened a business got a kid all that but. I wash out the ourself. South bid you build our house salads build. Bro Saleh Sal Aka Bob Vila. Working on a robot right now that Kasparov you. Keene team say he ready for border wars he in that border wars chat he seeing. Commodity got in there but definitely the back and forth got. Yesterday, it got crazy yesterday. You know what I'm saying we lost we lost one. We ain't saying as because they always come back but. Joined border wars. He's Fi in cruiserweight. It looks like so I wanNA shout out of the rich kid he signed up he santus. Out of level so risky, you get to see all the border wars, pass borders, fights, all the border wars training, and sparring you get to see all the untitled that we've had and look if you're. Getting over One thousand four hundred posts we've already done on paycheck. Kids like. Never before seen stuff. So shot out the rich kids shutouts. Oh We? Oh Oh. Ating. Thing that I just mentioned. Iron sow gets everything I mentioned plus all the overtime, and do they get a live shows like the Laci Lake? So let's say. Let's say October twenty fourth goes off without a hitch. Do they get it? They automatically get access to the border was. Mean not live because we never got A. With strong enough Internet even though my gym has it but I've never been able to throw a line like it's almost two hundred feet away from the Modem. But. That'll be the next step one day. I saw shot out to. Assume no more showers you. No more. Gabriel Vasquez though shout. Gabriel vascular. We don't know who you are but. You know you signed up. So shot how to you we're going to go back to they. We didn't get the J. Magazine I feel like thought we did that. J Mack. Back J. J. Matt. that. We do. I, her business pieces of. the. Amish seemed like a good spokesperson for them because even some of the questions y'all ex he tried to spice it up and and cake it up. Nice with a respond like us on about the money fighters and stuff like that. He was giving you all these excuses and about is about what you negotiate in A. Job and what have you but he's really sounded like a sales rep and just got a new product and you high off not right now trying to push it out there and stuff like that. I WanNa see what they have in the years or whenever that is come like he got some big name fighters he wanted to disclose I don't believe that I wanNA see who signs up and who these big name. interview with him so I mean I. EXHAU- in and out but we. Live in Dallas. Right. One of them in New Orleans and the other one in Dallas. I think it is Jay Mak because he showed up to the border wars. JT's in New Orleans. We got to go to they said, I didn't go to king boy. Did MAC which are Steve. Steve, which is you you ready? WHAT UP CHANT Steve, CEO game my in China. My? Hey Daddy this adult. August. Steve. Steve you must be having issues with your phone because you mutable, we don't. Know. Okay your milk. Okay here's the issue I got with one thing that he said that I didn't like he basically insinuated. That nobody. Outside of his company would have a fighters best interest. And I think this kind of dangerous for him to say. A, we'll give you know time will tell. And I would like to hear from fighter especially the to American 'cause I know they're based out of Europe and they got a lot of European fighters. So, I would like to hear why I the Renzo enjoy Joel signed with them like what did they would do? They see that we're not seeing. I would like to hear from them because I don't see what they're gonNA do for them. Time will tell. It's like Mario said, I think man, some promises had to have made even if that's mandatory minimum purses, we got to supercharge from trae in the bay out the trae who is a Patriot the boomerang level, which means he gets to calls and still chooses the super chair pluses our moderator who says Spencer Eller be. L. is funny to me because I remember interviewing other be, and he's like I got that contract right here in the briefcase let me see it then. Like Zach electoral. College down here. He's hilarious. Bro, play that one back I'm sure there's so many people that have never seen that. That's what comic creeping was supposed to be like David and videos that they want us to either watch or cut, but it never took off a lot of shows are not as successful patron untitled untitled untitled just keeps getting into the hundreds and hundreds. It's crazy but we got coach Midi says, this is for J. maxx Internet sends a Super Chaff J. Max, Ns because it was choppy lobby. Choppy Loppy Oh, I'm put you on the spot y'all been doing research because I've been doing mine's. Research Champa let the Victoria. Teas Mayweather. Victor Teased Mayweather I gotcha Gotcha don't worry. I got it already. Outline for body. What I'm not done. Outlet, you I'm out on the new show Oh. Yes. Yes. Yes. supermax show we have on. Yeah. Rewind we settled on. An actually man. Reminded we'll talk about that affair but we settled on Victoria's he's floyd, mayweather and yellow. That is the perfect when when when. When supermax came up with this idea I, swear to God I'm not making this up. That was one of the fights that came to my mind was like Yo you know what would be good is that when because there's enough footage enough drama storylines it's going to be a great show. I. Promise you which one yeah absolutely with we know. Head missile he you know. Yeah, I started the outline on it. I got a bunch of stuff but I haven't gone back and watch the the Shit what's it called HBO show. I haven't gone back and watch the the I was going to call it hard knocks. God damnit. What's it called? Oh twenty four seven I haven't gone back to watch those are definitely need we have to watch that stuff has to be. Yeah but I've gotten all the purses have gotten the betting lines of in about half a dozen articles that I've come through for Info and Yeah man we're going to set for that. We wanted GTO instagram? Twitter? Am We. mcginest. Alex This Day on the score, and I always can rely on the cut you will. Cut You wo-. Scoreless goes. 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The Many Faces of Joseph DeAngelo | 9

"Man in the window contains depictions of sexual violence and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised. Here's a good chance. The man loitering by the fence and the nursery section is the kind of customer pain save clerk. Jeff gardner detests most a shoplifter of in my store. And steal my stuff. You can find some other store. His coworker f- ron stillwell is sure they've got a thief when he tells the man into automotive sees a hammer disappear behind the car cushion he clutches to his midsection gardner in stillwell are a rooks nightmare. These young clerks handle store thieves as if they were high plains hunters tracking game tailing silently using hand signals positioning themselves as a team to spring. We pretty much the same thing every time you know. This is not our shoplifting. Arrest will yeah darden's atop and training waiting to enter the police academy to do what we did was not unusual in this one. Apparently who's quite unusual. Because of the circumstances stillwell makes the first move following the man out to the nursery to ask as he found. What is looking for the shoplifter. Attempting distraction says. Oh yeah. I need that big planter pot way over there but when still will send someone else to fetch pot. The man says he's got to go find his wife. He goes back inside and then walks up and down the aisles. Looking more and more upset gardner and still tail him in the paint department clerks see him slip a can out from under the back of his shirt and put it on a shelf. It's dog repellent smelly kind you sprinkle on your lawn. They move in before the man can ditch the rest of what he's stolen. He had to know who we were at realized what the problem was now. He he knew that. Okay it's up now. You know a lift protesting man by the arms to steer him through the double doors of the back office. He screams shouting that. They're treating him like an animal and then fakes a full blown heart attack. The second the clerks loosened their grip. The man bolts. It was a a fight struggle for many minutes. He's fighting with me on the floor and ron's there with me so the three of us are rap on the floor trying to trying to control him trying to take something out of his. You know we don't know what you've got in their gardner reaches into the man's pants and pulls out a hammer then we're going to pick them up and put him on the role in cherennes. Still moving around and bit here. We are trying to do whatever we can do. And also get somebody in the store to call the sheriffs. Get get them over here. We got this guy's fight with so they grabbed rope. Two sheriff's deputies arrived to find this man tied up in a chair. He's carrying little money and no identification but he is carrying a handcuff key. I used to be a cop. The man says he continues yelling and talking in circles. Rolling around in the chair says his head hurts and he's gonna vomit. There's no sign of injury in his words. Don't make sense. The deputies decided. This guy is mentally imbalanced. It's when the shoplifter asked the deputies to clear the room that the insanity act stops instantly. Joseph di identifies himself as an auburn patrolman. He says he was quote just acting crazy because he was afraid we would call right up to auburn and tell them what had happened. Which is what debbie. Bill schroeder does right after he writes dangelo up for petty theft and watches the busted officer leave supposedly to go on duty. Schroeder's now long retired. He says he doesn't remember the arrest or more precisely because he's been talking to current investigators. He has no independent recollection of the event. Neither he nor gardner can shed light on. What crazy things. Joseph diangelo was saying. I don't want us turn crazy. But it is crazy to think of Here's a guy that we just assume. Was somebody coming. They're stealing something. I just a personal use at for whatever reason. It's the summer of nineteen seventy-nine by this point dangelo. His raped more than forty. Women has killed three people but he's starting to lose control of his victims. Whose until later they're really sinks ended. What the hammer was all about the narrow escape marxist. Shift deangelis crimes from here forward. He'll seek to kill all of his victims. He'll move through the unsuspecting world as a human chameleon a man his shifts from innocuous too frail and then dangerously violent slipping into lunacy and out raising the question of which persona is in control the many faces of joseph de ngelo. It's the holidays and although they may look different this year one thing remains the same staying. Fueled with nutritious. Snacks is a must. So be prepared. The season with protein snack that keeps hunger away and makes those holiday treats a little easier to pass on perfect. Snacks made with freshly ground. Peanut butter organic. Honey and twenty organic superfoods. 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She often relates the crimes to her own suburban e sacramento childhood here in two thousand sixteen in announcing a renewed manhunt with the fbi. We didn't lock our doors at night. We rode our bikes around. In the only thing my parents would say at night was just make. Sure your home before dark. And that's what we did as kids. It was time of innocence in june. Nineteen seventy six. The east area rapist began to proud those same suburbs attacking women and couples in their bedrooms reaping more than forty women and girls as young as thirteen. The attacks ring the shubert neighborhood. The families knights were lit by spotlights of vigilantes and their sleep broken by the overhead thunder. A police helicopter. It was a time when really essence that community was taken hostage. Everybody knew it. Suburban life never felt quite safe after. That schubert was a driving force behind rekindling. A statewide manhunt for the rapist by then does not just rapist in the north but a serial killer in the south of california predator so elusive that after four decades investigators had only a single substantive clue his dna tonight the fugitive who has occupied so much space. In schubert's life is whisked into a spartan interrogation room. There's only a table in three chairs. Officers yank out the string holding up diangelo shorts and park the overweight man on a black plastic chair cuffing one of his wrists to the metal table bolt to the floor. A video camera sends the feed to those gathered outside modern two way mirror. I was in a room watching it on a monitor. And i was feeling like i was watching like i said hannibal lecter was a trip man. It was a it was a trip to watch something like that because the man hunt has ended so suddenly because police officer named joseph deangelis was never on any suspect list. This is the day. The modern investigation really starts homicide. Detectives from three counties take turns trying to question dangelo playing good cop and bad cop. One sets a dr pepper in front of the prisoner and when he doesn't touch that fetches him look diet another detective bullies and berates di angelo and tries to shock him with bloody crime scene photos. Dangelo just stares back. Occasionally asking why he's there. He refuses the drinks. The offers of food or the bathroom breaks he remains in the black plastic chair all night. A burly seventy two year old overweight at two hundred fifteen pounds with a wisp of hair across the top of his large head. His cavs bulge below his stained a charcoal grey. Bermuda shorts and his thick neck stretches the collar of his rumpled white undershirt. His seems schubert's hopes for revelations. We'll be disappointed. There was a number of investigators at where they are. We wasn't like saying things to really it meeting things to the investigators but once left alone those watching the video feed outside realized de ngelo is talking to somewhere around midnight or one o'clock in the morning and i was just remembering that he just kept. It wasn't like you know a lot but it was enough to understand that he was trying to set up what i believe to be. Defense and insanity defense. This person made me do it. I tried to push out those kinds of things i mean. I've i've sat across tables from people that are Serial killers. But i've never seen that kind of You know individual. Who's muttering these things to himself. Which now in hindsight. I realize what he was trying to do. After more than eight hours of fruitless questioning interspersed with increasingly longer passages when deangelis left alone in the hope investigators will catch something in his whispered monitoring. Deangelis is finally booked in the jail. It's now to twenty nine. Am indiana's photo. There's a pink stain of fresh blood on his white undershirt abrasions on his face and a large bandage on his head. Schubert's office won't say what happened. More than one confidential source tells me deangelis rammed his own head into the wall. There is no equality for victims of crime. No equal access right to transparency. Joseph diangelo eluded discovery four decades ago by crossing county lines from the moment of his arrest. His victims realize how fractured justice remains. The brother of one southern california murder victim is invited to deangelis arrest announcement as a speaker and he uses his seven minutes to promote a ballot measure to expand. Dna testing of criminals at the other end of the spectrum are gay bob. Hardwick victims of nineteen seventy eight attack in their home in stockton an hour south of sacramento the hardwoods learn of deangelis arrest from their children and they have to hunt for details on the internet. There was no no one who had the decency to knock on my door or get a hold of me and give me a heads up the statute of limitations on rape in the nineteen seventies was just three years so initially diangelo is charged only with murder but the angelo had a ruse of telling victims. He was only there for their money and a practice of moving women out of their beds to the living room to rape them so prosecutors. Add another charge one. That has no expiration and. Ken merrett a life sentence kidnapping for robbery as they decide which charges to file prosecutor select only thirteen of almost fifty rapes gay. And bob can't find a good reason. Why their case identical to so many of the other attacks isn't among them and bombs a lawyer so frustrating hardwick suppress and mckean county and the district attorney staff refers them to the da in sacramento and sacramento. When when asked directly she right back san joaquin county ultimately san joaquin county. Prosecutors say they don't want to press charges because they can't tie the hardwick attack to a murder or a case with dna in their own county. What's more da tori verb or salazar says the other counties. Were doing a good job of putting dangelo away for good very focused. A plus people like get the conviction mixture. This man can never do this again. Get them at you know. Get him incarcerated but she confirms would gay already fields with no charge. There's no standing technically. We don't have a seat at the table because we're an uncharged county. Which leaves gay feeling. She and bob are little more than collateral on the road to the death penalty. It was an awful feeling. She says in text me to keep knocking on the door of justice. Just be ignored like buzzing mosquito. Then there's the toll of the true crime industry. There are always producers and film crews hovering making at least four drama specials and sending bottles of champagne along with their cameras to both create and capture. The celebration of di angelo's downfall. A few victims embraced this limelight. And the phantom appearing on talk shows and signing autographs at crime conventions but aspects of this public fascination with horror disturb other victims and advance screening of one golden. State killer docudrama horrifies in retraumatize john carroll whose father and stepmother were bludgeoned to death by the angelo in nineteen eighty. I learned things that i didn't know including that the files the open case files were stolen. That is my terminology stolen from orange county. And that then. I saw a crime scene photos of my dad and charlene in their bed. And that is absolutely horrendous for me. To see. stolen may not be the right word. Crime writer michelle. Mcnamara characterized her acquisition of a room full of case files as a trade in exchange. She ran the document trove through a scanner. So law enforcement could work with digital files but this unorthodox deal beads. Fear harbored by gen and so many other de ngelo victims that he'll walk out of jail on a technicality. And so i realized oh my god this may put our case against the angelo in jeopardy so i honestly i was sick. I was terrified. I couldn't believe this kind of thing to happen to top it off. The docudrama suggest john's father was forced to watch his wife's rape before they both were bludgeoned a salacious tidbit. Prosecutors say is unsupported by evidence but one that fits neatly with the narrative incomprehensible evil being built around the golden state killer so is extremely extremely rough when you talked about this intersection of entertainment and crime. Jennifer carols renewed trauma the plight of gay hardwick and scores of other victims cast as outsiders these and other unhappy victim struggles begin to solidify into a foundation. Not one that supports. The prosecution stated desire to see joseph dangelo sentenced to death but one that will spare his life. We get support from splat hair. Colour if you're looking to switch things up in a bold way transform your luck with splat. Splat is vegan cruelty free hair-color made in southern california and it comes in over fifty semi permanent and temporary shades. That will transform your look in just minutes with splat hair color. The possibilities for self expression are endless. Get bold lasting color with splat complete kits in pink fetish tantalizing teal and lusty lavender or take a walk on the dark side with the midnights collection for bold velvety color. Perfect for brunettes cat one of our producers here at wondering just colored her hair with splits ten. Wash color peach fuzz. 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Four of those counties will seek the death penalty. The secret interrogation video plays a part in that decision. Anne marie schubert holds a screening of selected clips for the other prosecutors and among those watching his santa barbara county. Da joyce dudley prosecuting. The four galina murders dudley's in avowed democrat. Who until this moment has only ever sought the death penalty once and deadly had planned to just sit and listen but one another prosecutor says condemning deangelis. To death is a no brainer. She immediately shoots back. Never no brainer for me. never never under what. Under any circumstances. I have to sleep on my own. But she wants attended a performing arts school and says she knows an act when she sees one with steve. Four actresses me would be now prosecutor in may but that was the sense. I got the news choosing his movement to choosing his words and he was playing apart. I immediately had to santa barbara from her office overlooking the santibanez mountains. Da dudley describes what it was in that interrogation video. That bothered her. Daddy did in such a way to make sure that he was loud enough clear enough and he wasn't talking to himself and when you're watching. Tv realize he's talking for a purpose. Early guesses are that it will take five years and twenty million dollars to get to trial. The timeframe soon begins to seem terribly optimistic. After two years there hasn't even been a preliminary hearing normally a brief statement of facts to convince a judge. The evidence merits trial but for deangelis pre limb prosecutors. Wanna call one hundred witnesses over the course of four months. It's never explicit but this elaborate hearing which has every appearance of a mini. Trial is a hedge against time. A key witness in to larry county has died. Detectives are in poor health. The angelo is lost. A dramatic amount of wheat and jail and appears frail and phyllis sitka hennemann the east area rapist victim number. One has been diagnosed with liver cancer. Victims don't know is it. The angelo wants to plead guilty. He's been offering to plead guilty for months in return he wants. The death penalty dropped. He'll accept a life sentence. Some of the prosecutors have appeared at fundraisers and press conferences promoting an execution for de angelo. And they won't answer the plea offer. The defense team finds itself in a tough spot. But not one public defender joe. Cress didn't see in think in a case this political and this these charges. It's very difficult for the prosecution to consider the death penalty. Sue cress in co-counsel alice. Michael try something a little risky but not uncommon in capital cases. They reach out to the angeles victims. They asked for their input on what they call a resolution that avoids trial in other words. A plea bargain. Most of the victims are outraged by. You are happy to have someone who cares what they think among them. Victor hayes just blows my mind. That i've had way more conversation with mr dangelo defense than i've had with the prosecution and is unethical. As that seems it's the fact. Prosecutors are still not talking to the defense. So chris and michael try something even more unusual they lay out the angelo's offered plead guilty in the footnote of a mundane court filing for all the world to see most victims are caught by surprise and they react motionlessly but they also begin to see the tears in their patchwork of justice. Some of them receive a letter from prosecutors confirming the plea offer a lot of victims. Do not. hey everybody coming to you. Live from the fairfield in in beautiful santa maria california jennifer carroll home-made podcast that explores and dissects each twist and turn of her father's murder case called the lawyer's daughter tonight. I wanna start with and talk about and unique thing that's going on. With the revelation deangelis was offered to plead guilty gender votes in our to the inequality among diangelo victims until this week and the news of the plead leaked out. I don't think. I really grasped all of the ways that we are sub setted. Is that a word. They're divided not just by those charges in those without but by where they live and how attentive and the prosecutors are gen reads to who listeners. A statement by chris farley pedretti who's reap when she was fifteen is not among the criminal charges. I am only in favor a plea bargain if it requires angelo to one fully provide all requested information on his crimes and who he pleads guilty to all of his heinous acts in court whether he's being charged for them or not. It's important that he be asked in court on december. Eighteenth nineteen seventy six. Did you rape a fifteen year old girl three times and that he answer out loud that indeed he committed that crime and then gen reads a similar statement from san joaquin victim. Gay hardwick also and uncharged case. I also wanted to express to you my ongoing frustration that some of us in the counties who have elected to do nothing to bring justice are experiencing. All i know is that i am out here. Advocating for myself networking with other victims. It seems to me that justice is not going to be dispensed. Equitably in this case victims from other counties will also step forward to complain about being left in the dark treated as outsiders and left to feel like surplus one rape victim is never even informed about court hearing so she could attend them. If they haven't figured out we'll talk to one another by now. I don't know what they're doing because we absolutely do and we really have each other's backs when fallen off for one here. joe chris. His listening in gen has just given him the answer. The defense team has been waiting for a way to press the plea from. I think there were a number of victims who believe kind of in an all for one one for all at the next court hearing victims force prosecutors into a large meeting some two dozen of them and their family members. Pack the district attorney's conference room the da. From san joaquin tori rubber. Salazar says it is an unusual development. I truly believe that the uncharged victims and their counties would not have had a place at the table. If it hadn't been strong voices gays saying wait a minute. I might not be charged. But i am a victim in my voice is as powerful and as important as anybody else. They extract a promise for better communication and their demand. The de ngelo answer to all of the crimes charged or not becomes the basis for the plea prosecutors insist that what follows next was never a negotiation that they never gave anything up but it sounds a lot like negotiation. The talks take three months. Prosecutors abandoned the death penalty they still hold out for premium saying they won't let dangelo plead guilty until after the mini trial then cove nineteen nixes. The thought of any large extended courtroom proceedings. What's left are the scores of uncharged crimes. Chris rape the attack on gay and bob hartwig. Prosecutors draw list and each one the defenses. Yes the angela will admit to. That defense lawyers alice. Michael and joe cress confirmed the trade. They gave us the list of the asked the cases and it was pretty we would have expected from the discovery would have dropped a few off. Here's my count of what's missing. The kalita couple attacked and bound narrowly escaped with their lives. Four rapes and sexual assaults in sacramento another contra costa county the sacramento youth shot by the intruder chased over backyard fences. The man clubbed over the head one morning in his own garage and two previously undisclosed rates in marin county that were part of the original sealed court filings still more rapes and murders in which deangelis was at. Some point. suspect will never be addressed. Dark shadows left a haunt case on chat boards and in murder. Mysteries temple is jennifer carols deputy. Da the woman prosecuting the ventura county murders of lyman and charlene smith. She's also one of the few willing to explain k. Strategy including the attacks left out the final plea but there were some thought you know he probably did it but can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. We're not going to ask for that. One others have so much evidence that even the defense agrees. He will admit that there were some victims who did not want to be involved and they decided for whatever reason Live agean that he got enough. There live even so dangelo agrees to admit to an additional one hundred and eighty eight uncharged crimes against sixty one people including a new rape. A woman to embarrassed does the nineteen seventies teenager to tell officers. What had happened that night when dangelo pulled her into the canal temple says prosecutors had always planned to take up the uncharged crimes. Just not right away. Some were to be brought up in trial to show the angelo's operating pattern or his sexual violence and then all of them were going to come in one way or another in the penalty phase to show why de ngelo deserved to be put to death. We had a very holistic view the case from the beginning but that would require the bulk of deangelis victims to wait years to see their tax hurt in court with the man withering away in jail. Even live that long the plea deal rob's victims of the revelations in the exposition would have come with a trial including sacramento victim. Victor hayes is hope of an investigation into the angelo's actions as a cop. I mean already know. He did it so i really don't need him to admit it. I need him to be charged. But at the same time the plea offers validation gay hartwig rape attack on. Her husband are included in the deal in keeping with its track record. San joaquin county is late in telling her it's she who calls them. The meeting that afternoon at her husband's office is the very first time. Gay sees her elected district attorney. And it's the first time the case detective since her rape in nineteen seventy eight. They said well. We're meeting today because you rights there's development in the case and there's a potential playing deal and i said yes that's what i heard and i'd like to know where you have been for forty two years and why we're here and i was a real tense. I was feeling a little. I'm not sure refreeze is the right word. But maybe a little anger or the process. Then galions dangelo will only admit to raping her. If san joaquin county agrees to not press charges i could just feel the steam pouring out of my ears at that moment because it was such a catch twenty two i know logically the very best possible outcome but at the same time. It just killed me. How long and hard and difficult. It was to get to this point where i'm sitting across from the elected who's finally listening and seeming to suddenly. Now take it seriously. District attorney tori verb or salazar confirms the substance of the meeting and she credits gays outspokenness for a plea that includes uncharged crimes in their victims. Something she says. She's never before seen in her long career. Gay doesn't get answers to the things that haunt her like weather de ngelo targeted her. Because she worked for a wealthy developer who lived in town. 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Ron harrington had hoped to see his brother's killer condemned to death but even he sees the logic of a plea here are victims that have passed away. There are witnesses that have passed away de ngelo wearing clear face shield his wheeled under the high stage at the front of the ballroom cameras project. The angelo's face on two gigantic wall screens. So all can see. The back of the wall is stacked with television. Crews like at a political rally. But the hush the descends when the judge in robes steps up is pure decorum all rise department. Twenty four of the superior court of california in for the county of sacramento is in session. The honorable michael bowman judge presiding. It's opening remarks that for the very first time of fraction of the still undisclosed interrogation surfaces read into the court record by deputy. Da is super office seeks to characterize the angelo as a manipulative liar unchanged from the shoplifter in nineteen seventy nine. Who faked a heart attack and ranted. Senselessly i did all that. I didn't have the strength. push him out. He made me he went with me. It was like in my head. I mean he's a part of me. I didn't wanna do those things. I push jerry out and had a happy life. I did all those things. I've destroyed all their lives. So now i gotta pay the price. The defense is asked and does not object to these remarks and the reading of the crimes begins both charged and uncharged the factual basis on count. One but snowing was journalism professor. Alleges has one thousand nine hundred. Seventy five and the father of sixteen old beth's snell would become a target of the vice iran's six hour plea hearing his tightly scripted but their departures for instance prosecutors allow victims to confront diangelo. It starts with chris. Peretti's request to stand as de ngelo admits to her attack and other women follow almost every victim in the ballroom rises for phyllis who's watching from her hospital bed one victim pushed these boundaries further because a prosecutor begins to read the details of the angelo's attack on her and her son. She leaves her seat and approaches the stage. After the sexual assault she could hear deangelis walking around the house when asked to describe her salen till an assailant to law enforcement. John doe number. Twenty reported that he had a small penis on q. Jane carson sandler raises her arms and gives a double thumbs up to the audience behind her reaction takes a second guilty which is the factual basis de ngelo never raises his gaze from the microphone. Before him thank you regarding the uncharged defense rape twenty occurred on october. Fifth nineteen seventy six and the county sacramento violation of penal code section. Two sixty one you admit or deny i. His voice is the same as it has been all day then in reading sometimes faltering regarding the in charge offensive alz imprisonment of jane doe twenty and john doe thirteen age. Three i'd man the day long plea hearing is extraordinary filled with so many dark and disturbing details that many victims afterward say they feel shell shocked to hear someone running down the hallway towards the bedroom door open and a masked male with no pants grabbed the phone from her jumped on the bed and put a knife to throat. Deangelis stacked a cup in a saucer on each of their backs. Threatened the male. If you move or make a sow with that dish. i'm gonna blow your brains out. I'll kill her. let you hear it. He turned on the television with no sound removed blanket and straddled her back and forced her to masturbate him. Dangelo remove the bindings from her feet rolled her over and raped her vaginal several times. After raping her the defendant fired his handgun into the back of devas head. There were no witnesses to give details from the murders just the half eaten turkey carcass in the yard the alarm clock blaring for what must have been days. The fireplace left on the bed. And the brain matter on the walls schubert's office salts the plea hearing with hints of what she might have put on display at trial. You heard the annual repeatedly walking around the backyard neighbor owned a large german shepherd that stayed in their backyard after deangelis arrest and twenty eighteen. A former friend named gary s hold law enforcement that the angela was attacked by a german shepherd when day as teenagers burglarize a house gold river. Angry at the dog the angeles set it on fire with an m eighty firecracker. The location wasn't gold river. And the friend wasn't gary us but it was a german shepherd i say i don't think you saw. He killed the dog in nineteen sixty two jim. We agreed not to use. His last name considers himself joe's best friend real killing birds importance and got into a to say take again three hundred barrels in many my job to the ground now teens meet at the river gym swimming in the channel when the water around him begins to spurt in small explosions. He looks to the bank and their sees. Joe firing potshots with an automatic rifle. Jim clambers to the bank to slug him. But joe whole the rifle on him and then takes off jim. Hunt's all over rancho cordova for his tormentor but it's joe who comes up on him from behind at the bowling alley. Who has the upper hand before. Jim can do anything. Joe says artery. You're looking for me or if you want to go off duke it out the overlay. I can come your friend and not sure enemy and i got that old debbie. They go down to the river. Go swimming go anywhere. You want laying out wherever you want your choice. That's all well I have a friend in hanging. Start veering together. Jim paint so no one rockwell friendship. They swim and float for hours down. The american river then cross fields eating fresh cabbages windfall. Impeaches along the lush bottom they hunt rabbit and squirrel. River was everything. But the nights are the best. Sometimes october rancho. Because there's a lot of fireplaces and the air is so clear and claims you can walk all night if you're young kids as law can walk because it just feels good to be out doing that when joe is home. He's required to take care of his little brother and sister to wash them and get them ready for school in feed them jim the impression there's never enough joe's father in air force career man whose hold his family across the country for years his largely absent and then leaves altogether. Joe's mother a waitress at a diner begins an affair many nights joe doesn't come home. It's a base town. And the houses of rancho cordova. our new. they're cheap and flimsy set too close together and with side doors on the garage. The be slipped open with a butter knife. Jim access lookout while joe goes inside royal. I guess i got wrapped up in something. I shouldn't ban. And if i had to be over again i would not want to be in that realm. I want be just stick down at the river and von again. Sometimes joe steals a gun but most of what he takes. His small got into robbery places to get food find a refrigerator. Hinder garage and going into the freezer. Did a an armload of states and stuff and carry it. You know that if trump say there it is to. The freezer is number one for him. He's also what's real interest private spaces for with around the house. I can only tell you it was so exciting was on the exercise was so you know. you're not supposed to be something. You're not supposed to be no matter what. These petty crimes are a critical window into the predator. Joseph dangelo will become a time before he hit this side. Here's the compulsive prowler out almost every night. The intruder who scavenges kitchens the reflexive violence in response to threat. Jim joe or out roaming. When is an open garage and starts to walk up a young german shepherd charges out of the garage barking so fiercely. Joe is knocked to the ground. Jim sees the fear on. Joe's face turn into something else. He uh determined to do what he was gonna do. Joe pulls a firecracker from his pocket. Joe that don't just doing his job he's just doing what he's supposed to be doing in there and i knew us young. 'cause i tom but there were no staff on that. He grabs joe's arms. Joe twists out of the hold in throws relive explosive. It lands beneath the barking dog for one that went off the dog in the air and kill the dog. It's a time of anger in my heart for him. What he did but he college is more or less. We got back together after a few days. Jim doesn't think joe cares at all about the dog. Would he cares about his losing his friend. Not long after joseph dangelo quits. High-school and analysts in the navy hoping he'll make great as a navy eater like his decorated father but winding-up below death as a repairman. Jim never sees him again. An investigator for the sacramento county district attorney's office tries to verify jim story. The owners of the house. Jim dirksen to her no longer alive. Their daughter doesn't remember anything happening to a family pet. But there's a blurb in the small town paper after ngelo returns home from a largely plenty vengeful vietnam tour a daylight break in at the same house. The thief takes a watch a ring and six piggybanks. It's the hallmark of a cat. Burglar who prowls rancho cordova. The next three years some one hundred and fifty perplexingly minor burglaries until diangelo moves on to become a police officer and begins to ransack bedrooms in visalia stealing more piggybanks and killing a man less than a year later there is yet a third time. The house with the barking dog is noteworthy. It's ten doors from the home of the east area rapist. Victim number one dillas. Geraldine angelo has teams in and listen to the theme. Listen do with come and there is. The crux of it is joseph. Diangelo is jim and in his life believe has human as any other capable of goodness and love and compassion overridden by some darker force. Or is he. evil doesn't really dowdy. does after de ngelo is wheeled offstage from the ballroom plea hearing district attorney anne. Marie schubert sticks around the interviews are over in the media crews pack up their cameras. I actually also think it's okay to call them. Hannibal lector he is. He's associate pal. I mean it's all contrived. Schubert has established angelo's guilt but she has yet to fully lift the mask off this living. Hollywood horror showing the world the real joseph di angelo becomes her new goal. An eight hour video recording that suggests another possible. Reality remains hidden from the los angeles times and wandry. 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The Temptation of a World Changer - I

Greg Laurie Podcast

28:33 min | 3 months ago

The Temptation of a World Changer - I

"The following message from Pastor Greg Laurie is made possible by some special friends of this ministry pastor. Greg. I. Wanted To say a special word of thanks to the harvest partners who make this ministry possible next time your online checkout pastor. Greg's personal blog at blog dot Greg Laurie. Dot Com. The double always sets his sights on. Those are the greatest threat to his kingdom. Those who are on the devils team may not feel his oppression the pastor greg. Laurie. Shish Satan is always looking for fresh recruits. So if you come here today Greg I get tempted all the time as I mean I'm not spiritual that could be an indication you are spiritual and more to the point that can be an indication, the euro threat to the double, and that is why he is setting his sights on you. Some may think the opposition between the forces of light and the forces of darkness like a friendly game of basketball they choose up sides and play the game. But in reality, this is war and the stakes are eternal. It's truly a matter of life and death and today on a new beginning pastor. Greg Laurie continues his provocative series world changers. With the lives of our spiritual forefathers for insight on how we can change our world as they change their. Story about a guy that loves crispy cream donuts. Krispy Kreme donuts. So many of you have had hot crispy cream. Don't you? How many of you have never been before? You've never been to Christie kids okay. Go sometime I think you'll like it but anyway, he on his way to work drove by crispy cream every time and it was hard because he was gaining weight and he wanted to lose some he was on a diet. So He made a determination that he would not go the normal route past crispy cream and that went well for about a week and a half. But then he absent mindedly took the old way to work and there was crispy cream and the sign was lit up. Now you know what that means right so in the window, if you've never been to crispy cream, this is going to be helpful to you. If that signs lit up in the window, it means they're making fresh donuts, hot glazed donuts the best ever and the most I-i've and I think is six. Is that bad? It sounds like that's bad. Yeah. They're smaller though they're smaller if you noticed that. He don't judge me man. Judson less should be judged. About. People always misquote but anyway. So. He. Absent mindedly drove by in the sign was lit up and he thought maybe this is a sign from God. Maybe the Lord wants to have a crispy cream but then he said, well, you know it's always so crowded there especially when the signs lit up Lord, if there's a parking space right in front, I'll know it's from you and eight time around the block one opened up. Right and I am that man this is. Okay. So that's how temptation works. Right? It's like I don't know why I always get tempted, but we unnecessarily put ourselves in the way of temptation. Talk about today. Because we're going to look at the life of Joseph remember his life could be divided into three sections, start struggle and success start. Basically birthday seventeen tempered young man favored by his father over his brother's. Having amazing dreams which actually were given to him by God then. That's age seventeen to thirty, and that's where we're going to be looking out of this message to some degree, the struggle he had, and then finally success thirty years to death, and so this was a young man who face them heavy duty temptation and why because the double always sets his sights on those who are the greatest threat to his kingdom. So if you come here today and say great I cam remember the last time I was tempted then actually said something about you. Doesn't seem to me. You're a spiritual person had says to me the double looks at you and say why bother? But. If you come here to Niyazi Greg, I get tempted all the time and I have these things. Hit me in my mind and these thoughts and these other things. Spiritual. No I'll contrary that strength for I've no idea but not. To the country. That could be an indication you are spiritual immortal point that could be an indication that you're a threat to the double, and that is why he is setting his sights on you. You might be surprised to know that testing and temptation can have a positive effect in the life of the believer. Well, we think these are horrible things but God can use them. It's been said Christians are a lot like teabags. You don't know what they're made of until you put them in hot water. So, maybe you're in the hot water of temptation or trial right now. Well, now let's pick up the story of Joseph. You're a member he would. Strut around maybe in that coat of many colors is King James Calls it a beautiful long sleeved tunic dad gave to him. Effectively. Saying you don't have to work in the fields like your brother's son. And he would send his son Joseph to check up on the brothers and so one day Joe's checking parliament they said off here comes the dreamer we've had enough he him. Let's kill him while talk about sibling rivalry, but then a group of traveling slave traders happened to be passing by. So they sold their brother for twenty pieces of silver. So Joseph is now a slave. I mean from night he's gone from a comfortable bed to up life of uncertainty from security this shivering in shackles it's horrible and this is where the story picks up. Genesis thirty, nine verse one Joseph was taking the Egypt by the ishmaelite traders he was purchased by Potter for the Egyptian officer Potter for was the captain of the Guard for fair, you might underlying that phrase a. Comeback to it the King of Egypt the Lord was with Joseph underlying aperture. So he succeeded in everything he did as he served in the home of his Agip Shen Master Potter for noticed this and realize that the Lord was with Joseph giving them success in everything that he did this please of for and Suny made Joseph his personal attendant he put Joseph in charge of his. Entire household and everything he owned, and from the day, Joseph was put in charge of his master's household and property. The Lord. Began to bless potter for for Joseph Sake all of US household appearance smoothly and his crops and livestock flourish. So Potter Forgive Joseph Complete Administrative Responsibility over everything. He owned a Joseph there. He didn't worry about a thing except what he was going to eat. Joseph was a very handsome and well built man and his wife soon began to look at him lustfully come and sleep with me. She demanded stop there. So Joseph's world changes over night. But he was gonNA find in time his dreams we're to come true his dreams or others would bow before him but there was going to be some tough sledding I. He was sent to. Egypt. Egypt was a godless place a completely pagan country filled with religious superstition the Egyptians would worship up to two thousand gods and goddesses they would worship animals and insects and they would worship the Nile. River and of course, they worship the Pharaoh himself. They were also given over to gross immorality and they would build these incredible structures and they would utilize slave labor and their own citizens. So here in this teeming metropolis, this city of wickedness and idolatry comes Joseph who's really lived a sheltered life. He's only seventeen years old. He's effectively the country boy coming to the big city and he's purchased by amending offer identify numbers one as captain of the Gar. This meant that he was a high ranking. Official. He was head of the military police. We might also called them the Gestapo to kind of illustrate the kind of power he would have. He was also over the royal bodyguard, which is sort of the secret service of the day. They say he is the chief of the executioners not everyone who was killed. The order had to be given by Potter for Potter's name says at all a potter for comes from the Hebrew one bad a Doodo and. Translates one bad dude that I made that up but that's the kind of guy. He was a man to be fair with Joseph wasn't intimidated at all by verse to the Lord was with Joseph. Do you know that the Lord is with you too. If you're Christian ease with you. Elijah was able to walk courageously into the court of Hab in his wicked wife Jessie Belle and speak the words. God gave him because the Bible says he would say as the Lord. God. Lives before whom I stand. Allied to recognize wherever he went. He was standing before God Joseph understood this same wherever you go Jesus is there and Jesus wants to bless you and he blessed. Joseph. Joseph is a classic example of someone. It says blessed is the man who does not walk into the Council of the Godly or sit in the seat of the scornful but his delight is in God's word in does humidity deny he'll be like a tree planted by the rivers of waters listen his leave shall not whether and whatsoever he does show prosper blessed be that man. God does want to bring prosperity into the life of the Christian. Here's the problem. There is a segment of people that have what is sometimes called the Prosperity Gospel. The word faith movement at sometimes called where they've taken the truth and they've exaggerated it so much at sometimes we're afraid to talk about it. The Prosperity Gospel says you're always going to be healthy God wants everyone to be wealthy. He only wants you to have prosperity never any kind of sickness etc. never any kind of suffering either well, Joseph Prosper but in that prosperity that also included spending some time in prison. So we've been in God's prosperity there can be hardship, but ultimately, God wants to bless us any certainly did with Joseph. Coming up Joseph faces perhaps his most challenging test. It comes in the form of a lovely lady with temptation on her mind. That part of the story next. We'll pastor greg, we have something exciting to mention. Tallied up the numbers this year just since January we've now seen a hundred thousand professions of faith through harvest ministries, which is absolutely incredible. Yes. David is incredible and the way it came about is even more incredible because of the beginning of twenty. Twenty. We went before everybody in our church and our ministry and said, we have a goal this year some of you may remember this I've seen a hundred thousand people make a profession of faith. I'll be honest with you. I had some doubts like, are we going to really hit this number but at the why not shoot for Ziva, the Lord dusk well covid nineteen hit. So we went exclusively online with our weekend program that we call harvest at homes, basically a church service that you watch in your home but each week I've been inviting people to come to Christ and in one particular Sunday, we had seven. Thousand people make a professional bait. So now as we tally the numbers, we've reached the hundred thousand mark. We've reached it in an unexpected way. So what that says to me is what we have the right idea but the Lord had a different way of bringing it about. So we say, Hey, to God be the glory blitz keep going because we're passing that number now and listen to this. The Bible says there is joy in heaven over one sinner that comes to repentance and we've seen one hundred, thousand people in just months make this profession of faith the followed cry so we joined the angels and rejoicing. We're tracking the life of Joseph today it had many ups and downs at Pastor. Greg is showing us how to emulate this young man's character. It's a message called the temptation of a world. Changer available at harvest dot Org. Shows was a model of our Christian should function in the workplace. I mean potter for many was he was a hard guy to work for Joseph worked with complete integrity in Colossians three twenty to twenty four. We have these words about how we should do our job. This is from a modern translation. It says don't just do the minimum that will get you by do your best work from your heart for your real master. For God, confident at, you'll get paid in full when you come into your inheritance keep in mind that the ultimate master serving is Christ I love this part the Sullen servant who does shoddy work will be held responsible being a follower of Jesus doesn't cover up bad work. Hey you wanna be a good witness be a good worker. I mean before anything else that earns you the right to share your faith but if you go in there and you clock out. And you're not responsible worker and then you share your faith, people won't listen to you. But if you work with integrity, if you work hard realizing that your alternate boss is not the guy or girl who signs your paycheck, but it's the Lord and you do whatever you do his unto, the Lord, it'll change everything around you. And by the way, that's when you'll get advanced because when people are employers, they look for hardworking employees, not people that just phone it in not people that give the bare minimum of people that go the extra mile people that maybe have ideas people that want to do it even more effectively that's true and work, and that's true in ministry as well. Yes. Joseph was being tested and maybe you're being tested right now you're working somewhere in obscurity you know you have an entry level job you're making minimum wage you're washing dishes you're bussing tables, you're framing houses you're flipping burgers whatever you're doing do it for the Lord Jesus himself pulled up into the line in order to double double animal style. That's GonNa be the most awesome burger you ever made. Do. It as so Christ himself was going to eat it and I know if Jesus walked among us, he would eat a double double. Animal style I'm not so sure about the crispy cream but. Under the Lord, it'll change the way you see work when he get up in the morning is he that's how Joseph sought. Now he's successful in fact, he's so successful that part of hers made his Executive Assistant, he's second in command part of Saint looks on your your over the books you're over the house you're over everyone that works for me. All I'm worrying about today is what am I having for lunch? So just keep doing what you're doing because you're doing a great job. And sometimes when things are going, well, we become more vulnerable you know win maybe we can always make ends meet or when we're sick or when we're having challenges were dependent on God. Oh God, we helped me but then when things are going well and we have a little extra money in the bank, our hope that super good or there's through our ministry or whatever it is, we can become complacent and lazy and sloppy and S- lawful and ultimately susceptible, and that's when temptation will hit. and. Here's what happens now to Joseph after great success, the Devil Attacks Genesis thirty nine read with being starting verse seven by the way I'm reading from the new living translation potter first wife began to look at him. Las. Fully. Come sleep with me. She said while she was far from subtle. But Joseph refused and he told her look my master trust me with everything in his entire household. No one is more authority than I. Do he's held back nothing from me except you because you're his wife like hint hint remember you're married how could I do such a wicked thing? It would be a great sin against God then I would underline that verse a great sin against God but she kept putting pressure on Joseph di after de but he refused to sleep with her and he kept out of her way as much as possible one day however, no one else was. Around he wanted to do his work, she came and grabbed him by his cloak code demanding come on sleep with be and Joseph Tore himself away. But left his cloak in her hand and he ran from her house we'll stop there. She's so ticked off that he rejected her advances she falsely accuses them of rate she also the servants allure this man dead he tried to take advantage of the I've got his coat and he fled out here, and then when her husband got home, she told him by the way I think part of her new, his wife was a liar. I think he knew she was seductress I. Think he knew she was making this all up but he went along with it. Sort of reminds us of that movie from years ago the graduate remember that. We're an older woman seduces a young man and he could almost hear Joseph saying why think you're trying to seduce me Mrs. Potter for Q, the Simon and Garfunkel. Song I, mean. Wow. She was the original, Cougar? She wanted Joseph be your boy toy. He was very handsome. The Bible says very good looking guy and maybe it was a little bit flattering to have her give so much attention towards him. But he resisted her, and by the way he's a young guy he's in his twenties. He's a bachelor and he has normal god-given sexual desires and not to mention the fact that he's now been ten years in Egypt with all those values around him he could have said, hey, who would ever know maybe it'll help my career besides I mean job. So I might as well walk like in Egypt Sharon. But he didn't do that diddy. I love her stand. He kept out over way as much as possible. You know one of the best ways to deal with temptation stay away from it when you can. Now, granted temptation can hit us anywhere. Right. Temptation hit you sitting in Church it's not always an immoral impure thought. It could be a thought of anger a thought of hatred of jealousy or some other thing you're tempted with coming to church or leaving church it can hit you at any time in any place but let's be honest. We know there are places we can go that. Make us more vulnerable right like the guy with the crispy cream. He knew if he drove by in the sign was lit up, he was going to go in there. We know where we're week, we know where we'll fall and the double is smart. He's been doing this for a while. So he wants to hey you happy Christian compare I wanNA ruin your life i WanNa to destroy your family. I don't want to just destroy your family I wanted to destroy your kids and your grandkids and great grandkids who aren't even born yet because I'm going to mess you up so bad, it's GonNa be passed on from generation to generation. In fact, I'd like you to become an advocate. Coming Alcoholic. Maybe things go well from my perspective, you'll kill yourself. What do you think what morons going to respond to that though K which way to go. Not. Many. Now, the devil smartest come and say, Hey, I know you'd never do this stuff. I know you'd never been faithful to your spouse. I know you'd never lie or steal, but just this once try this out just take a little taste just take a test drive just try it on want just take this thought out for a spin. And that's where the problems begin. Because it starts with that little thing becomes a bigger thing Martin Luther went said I can't stop a bird from flying over my head, but I can stop him from building a nest in my hair. Now my case the burden brings materials because there's Just nothing there to work with. But you get the idea of what he's saying right? I can't stop the birds from flying over to say, Hey, come on in enter in here, and so if the devil months on your door, don't have a conversation with them don't answer the door. Is leave it closed the Bible says resist the Devil and he'll flee from you. It doesn't have extended conversations with the devil nor does it say check out what he's offering just so you know nor does it say invite him in for tea? It says resist. and. That's what Joseph did. He kicked out of her way verse ten as much as possible. You See Joseph recognized temptation is not as sin rather it's a call to battle but this woman she was relentless she kept putting pressure on embers ten says day after day but he refused to sleep with her she just would not give up and she came back in them over and over again and I'm sure she used every verbal and visual seductive technique she could think of. A she did everything to allure him but in spite of for persistence in spite of as natural desires and tendencies in spite of the advancement could have given this year. It's Miserable background at home. He resisted. How did he it? Burst nine gives us the answer. He says, how can I do this thing and Sin Against God? He did not want to do this thing that would bring dishonor to the Lord. So he ran as fast as equal. It. Says in Second Timothy Flea youthful lusts. Pastor Greg Laurie is giving us a guided tour of triumphs and trials of the life of Joseph. It's a message called the temptation of a world changer and there's more to come here on a new beginning. If you missed any part of Pastor Greg presentation today, you can hear this inside again by going to harvest dot org. Just look for the title the temptation of a world changer or you can listen by way of our harvest mobile APP or to get a CD copy call one, eight, hundred, eight to one, thirty, three, hundred you can call anytime around the clock twenty, four, seven, one, eight, hundred, eight, two, one, three, three, zero, zero. And then we're so glad to have some special guests with us today in addition to Pastor Greg Dr Kathy we have. Authors Jeff and Shanti Felt Hon who've written a new book thriving in love and money. It's based on in-depth research into the habits and attitudes of hundreds of married couples. Jeff Shanty. Say if money is a problem in a marriage, money is not the problem in the marriage the book help spouses come together instead of isolate over the subject it starts with opening the lines of communication. Kathy how to couples come together how do we have to separate one value security and one values? You just those that family memories or you know creating an atmosphere or a or a situation that we're going to treasure for years to come they're both good things. How do we? How do we express our concern to the other without stepping on their toes or saying it in a way that's hurtful or a put-down? Yeah. I th I think at least for Sean me and what we saw in the research was. You have to just start with yourself and figure out what's going on inside of you in a way that you can say it compassionately. And you can say. If I understand what you want to accomplish with this and you you maybe say you know you value all of these memories that we're GonNa create with the family. This was this was thought through by you. There's some some reason that you have for wanting to do this. Can you help me understand? What you're feeling inside. Because it's just much more respectful toward toward our spouse when we're asking that, can you help me understand and then opens the door for you to say. Can I tell you what feels like for me when we're doing this and I know that sounds like talking solves everything but. Actually it it gets you a long ways they earn. Well, thank you Sean T and Jeff for being on our show and writing this book thriving in love and money and I hope that our listeners were ordered their own copy because it can really enrich number one, your life number, two, your marriage, and help you know how to deal with your finances in Godly way from a biblical perspective, and so we want to send you your own copy for your gift of any size to our ministry here at a new beginning because as you know, we'd love to teach the word of God this just straight of that we're helping you to see how scripture applies to all areas of your. Life. Including your finances and we also proclaim the Gospel and give people an opportunity to believe in Jesus so for whatever you send will invested in this ministry and we'll get to your own copy of this book by Shanti Jeff Fell on thriving in love and money. Yeah. That's right and thanks so much for your investment in this ministry is an investment that changes lives. You can riders had a new beginning box four, thousand, Riverside California nine to five, one, four or call one, eight, hundred, eighty to one thirty, three, hundred. We're here to take your call around the clock seven days a week. So now one, eight, hundred, eight, two, one, three, three, zero, zero or go online to harvest. Dot Org. Pastor Greg is presenting his series called world. Changers. If you're joining this insight drama node Greg at Harvest Dot Org. And join us again next time as we learn more from the life of Joseph here on a new beginning with Pastor Greg. Laurie. The preceding message from. Greg. Laurie was made possible by harvest partners helping people everywhere no god. Sign up for pastor. Greg's free daily email devotions at harvest dot org.

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What's Next For Gervonta Davis After 'Tank' Delivers Violent Knockout of The Year Contender

Tha Boxing Voice

3:37:05 hr | 2 months ago

What's Next For Gervonta Davis After 'Tank' Delivers Violent Knockout of The Year Contender

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And hopefully you on your ride to work already at your desk. Cubicle you cut grass you run in your miles you walking around the park providing your site or whatever you're doing you choose to listen a tv in the morning podcast. Let's talk about it. And so what are we going to do here. Manager mantra tank. Davis exploded on the scene for anybody who didn't know who he was. He definitely made a statement saturday. Night knocking out the four division world champion and lille santa cruz man. Where do you want to see him. Go next i'm going based off the espn. They really only want him to go in. Two directions It's a new writer to mario. I don't know if you've heard before maybe his name is wolf. I never heard of them. But if you did it will be good for you to educate our listeners. That being said wolfe is saying go a and i'm going have to pull daughter. But he definitely wants like a ryan and i don't know who else but i think that that's causing tank to move up. Why nobody's saying joseph di as junior. That's that's perfect man. You could saw building that right now for for september. You know with a crowd. Let's go you can do that in texas. You can do that in vegas like one. Nobody's saying him and birchall. Same scenario bigger. You know. I mean. I wouldn't say bigger 'cause i like joseph more he's a two thousand twelve olympian. He's that url spence olympic class where she warned clarissa shields. And all those good good pros. Now terrell geisha. So it's like. I prefer joseph days i think i think tank is more clout off diaz Then he does off of a burchill. But i guess is more mexican mexican because joseph is junior is mexican american so maybe tanka crossover to the actual country with a win over burtel yemen. I mean if you guys got that article pool are you an agreements with the author. Would you rather see him. Go up or would you rather see him. Do like crawford man you know unifying be undisputed one of the two you don't gotta do both be like the unified you know what i mean but that means something in the long run. Y'all go ahead okay. Listen I don't know i. I agree with cameron By the way he writes for boxing. I think he has new. Dsp but he's done football for a while like he's covered boxing. You know he's he's a solid writer but You know i. I don't know if i agree with them. One of the names was ryan garcia. That he brought up. Of course i would love that fight. I just don't think it's realistic. I don't think it's an actual way. They'll go so for me to sit here and say oh well i want it to be rangamati knowing that it probably won't be ryan garcia it just setting it up for failure so than any other name that this point. You're going to be like oh man. He didn't fight ryan garcia. So i think those are lofty goals Cameron wolfe brought up the point. That floyd is saying that he wants you. Know davis to have a two or three fights in twenty twenty one for me. That decision is going to be. Does he try to take that. Cinco de mayo date. You know Goal you know canola out here. We don't know what he's gonna do. We don't know where he's at contractually and so this is an opportunity for them to go in there and try to snag it. If they're gonna do that. They need a joe joe deion. That is a big time fight. But if i had to pick it would be You know of course like that would be a big time fight. I'd want but again. Those are not realistic fights. These are not realistic fights. In and i think that if you're gonna fight three times next year you can get that soft touch out of the way as if you're not financing on the mob. You're gonna fight in the first half of the year like maybe like february march april. You know it could be whoever it could be the softest touch of the year. You know For tuna type of fight like whoever. You know what i'm saying. Somebody that's not going to be sexy. But it's gonna be a good name decent name on your resume and then go after joseph di as you know september whatever then go after a big mexican type star you know ryan garcia but I don't think he needs to go back into the fire right away. Honestly yeah my take on it. Definitely is i love that ryan garcia fight. Dan garcia fighters is gonna be good for the sport of boxing is going to rejuvenate Is going to rejuvenate The fans with this whole pandemic going on. It's going to give them a new outlook to look at especially the young people who their attention span is not necessarily the best right now. But i'm giving got two guys who in front of them who they can recognize who they can. They can pinpoint. i know where he's from. Who years linked to whether ryan garcia lincoln. When jake paul. Looking paul or devante tank davis lincoln. Who's evert a lot of these other. Entertainers that are in the same age group or same age bracket i love that fighting fema lopez. I also love that. But i also love tank if you could become undisputed at one thirty and one thirty five can do. Both that would be amazing. I think that would be legendary type stuff. Good for his career in terms of hall of fame being first-ballot. And i and i love it man i love the direction is moving in. He's definitely cash cow division And i think he's the biggest star at one thirty whether you know the other guy. He brought up. Camera was Deal female and actually busy in the chat just reminded me about that but a female. And that's not to me go ahead. I'm sorry you go ahead. I want to hear what you said. I was just going to say from what i read. It sounds like he brought up to your female. Basically letting the readers know that he won't be able to get him that he will be busy with the winner of josh teller and ramirez. Yeah he definitely made it clear that fema has his hands busy himself but that was one that he did say that would be an awesome fight if we could get it. Type of scenario and That's the thing like. I don't know i don't know where that fights out in my head right. Now i feel like -til fema closer to one forty right now than he is staying at one thirty five and i could be wrong. This is just me knowing the writers that are in that camp and team what they've been putting lately that's the speculation is just trying to read between the tweets but You know for tank. I don't think that that's you know that's the fight that he's probably gonna end up getting or we're gonna end up seeing if the dust settles one day till femur won forty tank. One thirty five. They happen to be the last two standing. of course. that's going to be a mega mega fight to have both guys but right now feel like the writer said cameron wolfe. He's going to be trying to chase glory at one. Forty between whoever unifies between josh taylor and ramirez the top rank has that fight well within their grass. So i don't think they dropped the ball on that for to just go back to the drawing board we for three fights in a year. That's something that floyd didn't even really do anymore. You know what i'm saying like towards the end and so for for take to have that he can have a a soft touch. There's nothing wrong with that Speaking of soft such is and what you know tank is gonna get and what floyd did floyd said who's davis's promoter that he plans for davis to fight two or three times in twenty twenty one and Yeah i want to actually guys. Do you think those will be three big fights or you'd think at least one of those will be a big name. Yeah of course one of them's going to be a big name. It's gotta be a big name. You cannot you cannot allow the momentum that you have now to to go more a year without grabbing major headlines. He's got put another big time name on his resume. You know he's gotta get a scalp that is going to get the attention of you know the world like he did this weekend. That's what we saw. We saw him come out make a big time performance against the name that has been in the boxing world for five six years at the top of his game. You know and so He's got to do it again. And i think he will. He will he. They're going to try to get one of those mexican dates telling you. They're going to try to put him on single the mile they're gonna try to put him on mexican independence day and they're gonna try to do it against a big time name. It'd be best if that person was hispanic or latin or some sort of you know hispanic type of name surname that people would resonate with but it doesn't matter as long as it's somebody that we know they're gonna have a big time event again. I wouldn't be surprised for him to do a pay per view on one of those days again next year. Yeah definitely For me three fights definitely doable on twenty twenty one. One of those definitely have to be a big name. The big name that they might look at might not be named that. Everybody considers to be a big name. That's going to be part of the issue. 'cause i think one of the big names looking at who is not necessarily a big name right now. It was ryan garcia. I mean just looking at the numbers now remember. They got the may vinci code. They got the mayweather pay per view blueprint. And they're doing exactly that going to sink a demayo mexican independence day weekend. They're going to try to get to all those days because they know that's where the money's at you're going to try to be connected to it. Try to overtake his spot. As being i'm saying the big cash cow a boxing by stepping into those days and trying to you know what. I'm saying dragging all the crowd so definitely definitely to for sure but three definitely in the name. I can't see a bigger name. One one hundred five so maybe you can tell me was a bigger name. Who's who's that big name that tank and have at one thirty one thirty five. I mean we. We set at joseph joseph de s miguel. But does it just be the farmer who did tanks he would. You'd walk all over here. Notch mass great. That's great but thank you for reminding me that he beats farmer who had what three four years of back and forth few with tank who people thought tank was ducking people also he would not go and tank would knock him out but now joseph has that like i beat the do. They wanted to fight. You took his bell. Let's get this spike plus follow the may vinci co follow the blueprint the money print as mayweather likes to say you think robert guerrero was somebody what was his biggest name before he fought floyd berko and that was a great win but before we got to bert though he was like a feather way. Fi induced it. You know. it's often meter remember. I think he forced to lead. Oh maybe kenzees. He fought like cats. Cds like at the low awaits. He wasn't doing nine when he moved up to welterweight. He fought the turkish. Do celtic in. Who victim postal may his name off of. And then he fought burto and then he got his mayweather shot. Then he fall you know thurman after the also yeah man he like yet a lot of mexican Recognition jason sows the martin her areas of the world. He did fight. Salida like these are all names that resonated with this deck Della muno univision type of crowd and he had that cloud going in there with floyd. You know what i'm saying. Like yes was he. Did he build himself up to look like a credible threat. No but at the time it did feel like he was catching them with some momentum. You know what i mean. There was momentum by and he had that he created the momentum you know he started calling himself four time champ for division champ. You know he. He moved up to welterweight. He started calling out well to way t. He built himself into that. But what i'm trying to say is that he wasn't a big mexican name. Nobody was doing holiday. Fight cards around them. He wasn't a mainstream. Hbo or showtime guy who was barely doing big big boxing. Like that you know. Espionage went over the so not to say that didn't have big fights. I'm just saying they weren't as consistent as they are now. S went over and really turned up the box and department and got a bigger budget. That being said. I'm just trying to say that floyd has always been on the opposite side of a mexican or a latino. It's very easy. told you. follow the green print. You wanna make money you want to get to the top. This is what you do cross from. You should be a latino. No you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right when the time is right. You fight your shame. Moseley of the world evan. Haney but ryan a female joseph. Das in that order but the problem with the one thirty though is that every great fight that we can think of. It's like it's got somebody else. Attached to your chad's got even rene alvarado. Mario let me ask you a question. Who's a bigger name joe. Dias orion garcia. i mean. listen. You know what i'm saying is i don't know how tough it is. Listen you going based off social media. You ain't going off viewership hold on hold on my may. Never been on showtime. Hbo he never been on. Espn like wiz. His numbers his numbers. You keep saying do star and you're trying to say that he's bigger than a world champion. Who went to the olympics who has pedigree in the amateurs showed to say at least joseph v. as an get you you wrapped up in the number. But i'm not gonna do that as a true box event. I'm not going to say that. He's bigger than joseph ain't done shit. I'm still waiting to see is he. Can't he be campbell. Is that guarantee we know so funny. You say that. I'm glad you used that choice of words. You say that. I'm not going to be the true boxing fan. We're talking about cost. we'll talk true. I said i'm a true box in pencil. Josin they would say that. Joe is a bigger name based on scene. Georgia'll had more gene. That's what i'm saying for the casual dole. I'm speaking purely from the casualty side into the boxing fan. Definitely joe joanna but has a better record has a better resume but champions league a knew you know what i'm saying you speaking from a casual perspective but based off his social media wants to speak from a casual perspective. Say yeah i seen him on. Espn sportscenter. i seen him on fox sports. I seen him fight on. Tell them we see none of that. This has been on an ad but you fighting on in that man who seeing you your numbers all hidden you arguing with your own company released. The numbers like thank you for that helps. Thank you for that help because you piggyback off. What is something. I was just about to say. Disown decided that. They wanted to go to logan. Paul and jake paul purely to get numbers you understand. City said look fight on the app. You're gonna help us build now based off of that. Vying garcia has built a great relationship with the paul so to speak so every time you see them you see ryan that helps with his views. That's those same numbers that the disown is looking for to carry in off the back of those dudes dead ryan. Garcia is literally coming. Did you see that little back and forth contract stupid thing they had going on. That is good. That is all good to get eyeballs onto. Oh that's ryan garcia. So now logan twenty million fans in. I'm hopefully if you get one all this theory all this some nice fancy theory hypoc try. But that's what that's what made with the promotion. Don't that's a lot that's a lot that's a lot that's a lot. That's a big bow phase. Lie you while right now. I just say why us ally. What i'm saying is ryan doesn't have tank has tank least have consistent number show on showtime he show. How ever many whether you think it's numbers a bad good. He showed you what they are. Y'all ryan is this fucking. Anomaly is not even an anomaly. Because there's no proof to prove it. You know what i'm saying. There's nothing there is just is good. Is he going to bully numbers. Is this gonna make a difference. Because he's hanging with this guy. Is that gonna help dog. I don't wanna none of that. Want the bottom. Line is ryan garcia and this is no hater. Anything and i'm not saying this won't translate one day but joe dias has boxing fans right ryan. Garcia has fans who occasionally watch boxing. Like there's a there's a complete separation which means that you know what i'm saying and so for joseph diaz to get that fi- i i mean. Look here's the thing like just ask yourself and be real about it for a second tank loses the fight and i tell you ryan garcia one. You're like whoa. That's huge tank loses the fight. I say jo. Jody is want to me. Yes that's still a shocker. But it's not as big right now rancor see a tink is in even close to fifty fifty fight in my mind. I think tanks sleep some honestly right now. I think brian still joe. Joe has a better chance but on the wins either but he at least is decorated amateur. I feel like i. At least joseph has a man body. Like he's i know ryan ryan looking ryan is looking good and people like yo he would renault so he looking bigger. I get that but that's the thing he's looking you. Right at the burgess. I know what i'm saying. Joseph is already obese. May already a dog and he's showed you mad dog in that pharma fight. He don't got the power he got the power to be tanked but contain. Take him out. That's a big boy man. Look i see the skill and ryan i do. I really question. If you've got the power to stop jo-jo go ahead. Mario continue no. No go ahead rebuttal no i. He's he thought you were going to say that you agreed with now. I just want to jump in there and say like you don't know tank. I don't know i don't know i don't know you kidding me but joe joe is a big boy you know. He started at one twenty six to but he moved up to one thirty. He's been there and yeah. I don't think no one's ever knocking my for gabby russell who die of for tank defy. Let's not go too far. You're talking about thirty five. Gary russell right there he he. He's reaching out to the wbz. He wants to fiber shell. He don't need to give him a shot. That's a huge by in atlanta. dmv philadelphia anywhere. You want to do it in a little. It'll be sold out. You wanna do it. Dc it'll be sold out. You wanna do it definitely. Mgm man is sold out eight times because that's just too small for them so they need to take it to atlanta. I wouldn't go to vegas with it. You know i was stay on over there. You know but that's also the fight that is in getting talked about gary russell tang. that's another do like former. There's been coming at a gary. I mean i- devante for years now calling them. Shorty calling them slim saying he ain't really good saying how you put hands on him say high's team no and that's why don't even respond like somebody got to get in a fight with fucking gary. Gary talks shit. I wanna see him. Fight somebody and you know he. He beat joseph. So so tink i'm giving taking floyd. The green print go for the mexican but in actuality you beat the man that beat the man. You know what i'm saying. You don't gotta be joseph because he beat seven because you could be. You could be gary. Because he be joseph who beat seven you filming. It would be great if he did like a gerry and then like a softer touch in the middle and then finished out the same date with joe joe because look. That's the other thing here. Okay this is. Our job is to talk about the fights right. Our job is to is also showcase. What what they mean. We can't brush over the idea. That tank could or could not stop joe d as leo santa cruz. That's what makes it even more impressive later on to say that. Leo's never been down the one time he was down. The referee made a mistake. Came out later and apologized. Like that's a big time knock out. That's what you have to talk about. That's the part you have to highlight. Is that yes. It is a degree of uncertainty heading into the fight. Does he stop joe because those are the benchmarks that we set and then when he gets those big time knockouts. That's what shocks us. That's what makes us go. Whoa this guy is a star in the ring he performs like like michael jordan did when the game was on the line. That's what this kid does. Do it against jones a huge feet real quick. We got sorry. Go ahead this is going to take a minute. So you go. I just going to say like you know what i mean you. Just you just put michael jordan and star in the same category. He can't do that. man can do it. You just said that he performed like like a star like michael jordan. Michael jordan's a superstar man. Tag davis is a superstar tank. What you want right now. Which is we're talking performance superstar. He didn't jam talking about nike shoes. You think that tank performed there's a difference between. Oh that's what i'm saying. Michael jordan performed like a superstar game six flew my man every championship. He won. He put the game on his back. And that's what i did on saturday night. He put that fight on his back. He made it competitive in every sense of the word he allowed the fans even for a moment. Consider that maybe this guy wasn't too small. Maybe this guy is going to push them back and then lights out. That is a star performance at the highest level in sport. Okay so we are. We just talking semantics. At this event people saying that star is born and and staying was tangles. Already started me to me. He's a superstar now like that night because he got stars and you guys superstars levels to it. You know what i'm saying just like you've got contenders got prospects right. You got budding stars right and then you got rising stars and you got stars right and you gotta rising superstar and you got a full blown superstar and to me right now as the full blown superstar my particular opinion. That's and in my opinion that he has both connections in the sense that would adrian owner. Didn't have and what he did have was i look at this guy. Only he could be a superstar. Listen the way talk him in gipper. Give me my brush. Oh my god. These are superstar qualities that you see. But he never had the superstar ability to take it to the highest level. Where you thought well this guy is going to run through a division or this guy's going to be the unified champion. That was never really in the cards. When you look at davis. Uc those superstar qualities that you refer to outside of the ring. But i see those superstar qualities inside the ring. I think this kid is going to be something that we're going to talk about for decades to come. I just need fast as what what. What has changed for you since saturday night. You're saying he's went from star superstar. We don't have any numbers. All he did was the performance. So is that what it is for you like the way. Yep yep i wanted to see the performance against four division world champion who could have been five division world champion. Only a few people in boxing that got that. I'm that much divisions in terms of winning and lou. Santa cruz is a name man. He's he's had star performances and he's showed that he's a star outside rig and he started to show inside the ring that he's that he's a star going through superstar. Eleven people say. You don't know what a superstar is a superstar. Somebody that that that that that makes top ten sportscenter men. that's buzz. That's a superstar. When you fight and only can only regular boxing fans talking about your star. Beau superstar is where you cross over boxing. My staff of superstar. Madonna is a little different a superstar as someone that could get noticed in the street walking in the street. You know michael. Jordan walks down the street. You know who he is. Drake walk down the street. People's pulling nobler oh shit that's gonna fuck fucking record them and that's not protect. Now you listening right now. That tank is that. I can eat those qualities. Zoom inside the ring outside the ring. Icm but he's not there yet homeboy. Listen i'm telling you. Maybe i don't even want to say that but listen. He's not there is not there yet. It's he's not a crossover star. You can't put them in the same you know Draft with a floyd mayweather and oscar de la hoya. He's just not there yet and he's still young like he doesn't have to be and this is why i say for the older boxing fans. That's over thirty enough. They might not really no but these young fellows coming up day their kids are going to tell them who the hell tank is. How about that. How about who's got a funny money. That had a problem money. Why why do companies make money. 'cause they target the kids. Why because the kids are gonna go and say you are want nassar. Sports addressed demographic is eighteen to thirty four. That's the best. That's the golden demographic and so you know the kids don't really count that sent he he's tripping but this is all hypothetical stats like you. You don't got any stats or any video at least of a complete stranger like your tink like like you just pulling this shit out to as roma yo thirty and under definitely normally it sounds good. But it's theory. Minnesota hypothetical on your. He got approved until those numbers. Come out we don't know i want him to be the next one so we got something to talk about. Let him do five hundred a million even those numbers so it could be like. Oh my god to me like oh. Wow underestimated him. Holy smokes like mayweather. Got one like those are the headlines. I wanna see you know but but we a few hours away from now. I'm sure boxing going to be dropping it pretty soon like charles numbers out monday. It's monday like no. They weren't out monday but there was speculation monday. Actually i would say that. Quitting number. We heard monday was inaccurate. What it ended up being was people on monday. Were saying it was like sixty thousand. That's what people were saying. you know. that's that's what you know insiders. The burner accounts were were talking about. It ended up being false so maybe maybe might take a couple of days. Let me super chats real quick. We got a gem agem and my sand have been saying. name raleigh's fucking years in jemmy and jam and my man. Justice said jam jam right. What do you say jim. Jemma shamma jamil gemma but anyway jemmy. He says played as song again just so music. Fire fire Then we got big supermax says damn dumi took the. Te'o win retired from tv. Imagine he'd lost that one. Oh you really never been back. Holy smokes we got we got we got carlos diaz back. What up man. He's always he says superstar equals e. He is not elite. At the moment. i don't know that's a bad definition. Because he li means by elite level absolutely. He is elite level brother. You can't you at this going restores a different. Zoology includes more outside level or outside elements if visit world champion. Twenty four wins twenty. Three knockout is not lead. I don't know what the hell i didn't. Even your cause divisions could be manipulated even entitled could be given or set up very easily. It's him beating to current champions. That's what's important man him beating to current champions and and the first one right is now less than the second one so he's not degress and he beats them one. That was a world champion. Who who'd win looks amazing. Because he went on to be a two-time world champion. Jose raza de but then he turned around and beat a four time world champion that was considered and has a better career than bill. Rasa like you know what. that's not. What makes him elite. How how. It's not listening brother mouth. Yes that's what those guys is. What makes him and we're not i. I was trying to get across. Listen how many times do earl spencer's sean. Puerto fight and don't be a knockout danny. Don't be a knock on my mom in different. But oh no no it. Ain't different days danforth thurman and the no knockouts earl for mikey shawn no knockouts. He this do and champions that we know not not not not that we didn't know champion with vacated belt my head knocking out dudes man i'm scratching. Listen i'm not on the francis superstar tip because i need numbers for that but i'm definitely sold i'm sold and i'm so because our cd intelligence when when it depends on a fighter and that's why you've seen them take some shots because he's like i'm gonna take one to land one. Don't worry about it a godless and when when we was watching it live and he turned his course. I got some is do bugging. He can hit with shots but he really had this and he showed us that one. Punch dudes on this level man. You crazy so many nobody doing that. Shit nobody's doing that shit while there was doing it. This dude is is is crushed. Leo man he crying any again. It was a big time limit. Their a norm long. The but we gotta remember my may had two fights with abner and vice with frampton. And they'll never they never looked like this man rushed him covered. No absolutely and that was the thing to for me getting to watch with the fan this weekend like that was the first time a think i ever heard you know my my dad uncles. Actually repeat as name like you know anytime. They had heard his name before it was like a brush off to them. You know what i'm saying like. They don't don't fuck around with boxing like that anymore. You know what i mean. So it's like it's not the big names they recognize but to hear them call back and then even later the next day to call back because that performance was so big time yo. He captured the imaginations of a lot of fans. That probably didn't even know who he was. That love boxing. That only come around the sport every once in a while we call them casuals but he got the The heart and saw think of a lot of fans this weekend for row. Yeah my boy. Ohio runs boxing. He already thinks baby. The real big baby could take out using. I know that's a false stretch but man that boy going to be some tain you're going to be some team man picking up real quick real quick. We bought the alex on and maybe rashidi. Ls coach alex. Rivera is the coach of russia. The they had a big fight this weekend versus alex. Rocha to keep your eyes on the call guys. He's gonna be jumping on. And mario you said you got some super chats. Yeah pick and pop With the thumbs up emoji really cool little animation. Ojai did that. That's dope brandon. Marines comes back and says i just asked my son if he knew who tank davis was he said. No i what boxers he knew he said mike. Tyson wilder fury bronco. And of course but to your shot to your son. I mean you did put. You showed me the picture that posted you bought a farm that you got above the ceiling you know when he lays down he got to see it every frigging night. So it's like john. I don't care what you want real dude uprising. Says tank is a rising star superstar. Status will come depending his next three to four fights and a ko results. That's gonna put him there. Yeah definitely Agree kohl's ds comes back says so you're saying wilders elite nah fam- not lead because he lives out how he'd knocked out brazilian one round with joshua took seven and he knocked out lewis ortiz twice when no one wants to fight them in the people that have have lost to them. Listen if you can't if you can admit that water fury age air elite and that's your own by is just like i could call them all league you know this. There's eight hasbro and You know the the the love to hate on wilder. That's all this is about quit before we get coach on here man and hopefully maybe a surprise guests in in in winner. Victorious winner sheedy. We're going to get a quick public service announcement. Public service announcement you know. 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Dot com does earbuds work with both i s iphone and all you wack dudes withdraws that being said. We got coach rivera own. What's going on coats. Congratulations on a big win. Man how are you gwen. Thank you guys thank you. We'll morning to you guys morning. Could you turn that camera on. We got the big old skype. Oh i see him. Maybe this guy doing that thing on you to shoot blocks goes up. We gotta coach. Matt how are you man. Good brother good nice Nice to be back with vice good to have you good to. Have you glad that you came on definitely have a lot of questions. It was a good fight competitive of very fun to watch very entertaining for me. I loved it But yeah man How everything goes to the the the night of Everything was good man that you guys know we. We were training for while for a for defriend boland's dates so it was training Long training camp. When you are alexis roadshow was gonna bring a tough fight. The kid can fight. The kid can punch coordinated to an elaborate. She told me he said he's got came on. It looked like it looked like we were ready man. We were ready It'll be year with all these Covid nineteen seats way shin. You know we felt like we were in jail for a little while ago we could. We could have gone to where we were locked. Up in the room but You know he got the job done. Fight the company was very very happy with the results. they gonna keep bc Supposedly we want to be back after the holidays You gotta remember. He was Like like eleven months of To get into a fight like that so it pretty to me. You know you know the go head coach. You sound disappointed coach. You coming on your energy. Sounds like you almost deflated. What happened on are you are you. Are you expecting a diff- were you expecting. I guess a different response from the public is is that has you down like you've you've defied a certain way and are you hearing something different you energy. Don't sound like you're excited to become an offer win. No i am. I am i. I became a fan that night. I sat in my chair and i watched the fight for the coroner. I watched it last night. It was great it was it was a good good good fight. I loved it. I think i'm just dying the old front three reprint stuff. I can imagine so i at least let me get. Let me get underdog. You guys haven't sorry that. I interrupted you. Guys were talking i will. I will tank seeing superstar or arena. Lead or i wanted to get into a little bit. you guys. Because he's a great fighter has down You gotta give him props for the knockout because if you fight ten bombs and you don't want them out then you don't have power of you don't know how to set up your game and stuff like that but we always have to remember. And don't don't forget these fall into the the pageantry of the fight and the knockout. He small guy but by by smog. I mean one division below. That's that's nothing but we remember what think tank has problems making his way class. Thank you some big dude thing. He made the one thirty. Though as long as you make the wait. Listen to he can stay there all his life. This this just started in the last seven years. All this jumping weight classes you know. It wasn't as consistent as it is now now everybody wants to move up and be a division champ. You know gone are the days of punts de leon staying at twenty six all his career. Basically you know what i mean. You don't have to move up if you can make the way dominate. That's what i say you know to incur. Naughty hasn't moved up yet. He had a super fight. Five years ago with andre ward. He didn't move up so if ten can make it which he made it this time without struggling a let them dominate. Listen leo had one fight and so the gambler when he fought crawford at thirty five so leo had one at thirty won. The world title take moved up to thirty five one regular came back down to get what was his I consider it a big one because lama loma tanko gets credit for regan. Dow regal moved up. Maybe two three divisions earl gets credit for mikey. He moved up to division. Gennady got credit for cal. Rookie moved up. To con- you know moved up to for canal so it's like tanks fight whether you think leo was small. It was only four pounds that that division is in seven pounds. Awaiting junior welterweight is is is not four pounds. Let me just ask him no coach. Do you think that okay. Let me i. I don't know how to phrase this do you. Would you appreciate it more for him to go up or stay up at one thirty five and fight regardless of who it is as long as it's top ten or would you still give him credit if he stayed at one. Thirty was fighting like the top of the division like gilbert jet like are you just thinking he's too big for the division. Got to remember. Leo leo mothra. What like twenty two twenty. That's what i meant. I really mean these fight. Leo leo came up from lower wages. Also he originally. He says multitude yet but tanks started. His career started his career at twenty six. There's no difference. It's no difference. Just one do moved up before the other one. I got you. I still given credit. Lyonnais play one thirties. You know what i mean. Let's one thirty senior division. I'm not trying to say that. The win isn't what i expected like. I expect the tank to get the knock. I just didn't expect it was like this. I told maybe the father would save. Maybe the corner tower will the referee. The doctor never flat and the dude. That's leo is a very good resume regardless of where he started in where i mean. He's a good fighter with a lot of seasoned under the lights. Experience is the way that he handled batman. I'm just blown away. I was never attained guy you know. I thought he was undisciplined. I thought you know he cried. After he won the classify said they tried to set them up but now he's looking like he's coming into his own but double checking. Yeah thanks started at twenty five man so you know. He's just as small as leo. Leo obviously started at twenty two because he four frampton at that way. And that's how he becomes a twenty. Oh wow lille started at fifteen. So he's very small when he started that gal coach he was like minded coach coach. I want to ask you something. This is francis right here from troas. Good what's going on how you doing I definitely wanted to ask you when you look at tank right. A lot of people say well tank disciplined issues. Because it's on record that he's missed. Wait a few times for his fights right. His lost the belt on the scale before. But i don't know if anybody else being a former soccer player. I've done many other sports like boxing and so forth. Sometimes you need a little bit of a A little bit more sweetener in. I'm saying to your coffee in order to enjoy it a little bit more for tank given that he was fighting. Leo santa cruz and the best on the line. He made sure. Because i don't think he had. He has discipline issue. It's just a matter of whether or not he feels like it's important enough for him to make the weight to put himself in the right position to make the way give him up enough time to make comfortably and and put on a great performance because they're giving him flack for gamboa's one leg ticket twelve rounds. Why because he didn't do the things necessary to take the weight off property. It drained him a bit. I felt like his maturation. He came into his own net said based on the fact that he showed up and he made the weight and did he remade the weight. Easy how do you think going forward tank at one. Thirty one thirty five can he be undisputed or unified at both division or one is like you were saying earlier. above being elite for you to be Say a floyd mayweather for you to be an elite fire. It doesn't matter who you fight him. You gotta show up a hundred percent all the time and that way you you jump the hurdles of now making weight of nassfeld leg bore you know what i mean so these. This is what i was saying. Can you really call them. Elite when he's not acting like one An elite fighter don't doesn't meets weight and lead by by no reason you know i mean and they lead fighters shows up makes way makes it right rehydrate the next day and he wins these fights comfortable. I agree with you. Hold on my i agree with you. The reason and the reason why. I say that now leo messed up lucia for him at thirty five because at thirty he was in the best shape. He's been in probably in a very long time and in terms of being sharp he was sharp the punches he realized that he was absorbed from leo being in so in such good shape that it wasn't affected him like said he told his corner got it. Don't worry about him hitting me. i'm about. They hit him with thunder right now and turn his lights out and that's exactly what he did that to me is what is elite. Twenty four wins twenty three knockouts. And he's getting better. He's not getting better. Competitions would want punch knockouts that is elite man. Yeah an awful. You But here what the coaches coming from to at the end of the day. i mean. that's a really good point. It's like from this point forward. You know does he. Stay this elite. Does he draw. Draw back to the weight problems and the issues and stuff like that. That's what's gonna make him elite But i wanna talk about rashidi. I really do I said this on the show last night. I don't know if you got to hear it or not Coach midi Also said it to. I felt like at the end of the fight. The fights over coach rashidi still had a lot in the tank. Like i feel like he wasn't gassed really was stolen as hard as he was in the earlier rounds like did he leave something in the ring that night do you think do you think he held back a little bit. Maybe because the fight didn't go he thought it was gonna go early on or or what do you think we go another ten round. I tell you when he was in great shape these gas tank east or limited. We did what we wanted to it was it was a few rows. There did that. I thought we draw in the middle. And i told them right away that i thought we'd also rows We he did what he wanted to. You know. I want him to poke home. And just steno chidi had like seventy six inch reach and and roach seventy so rochelle. Staller buzz steel. He wasn't getting to chidi 'cause so that that these days ritchie is great at implying. A good distance throwing punches and heating at the end of the punches. With what we wanted to wish it was you know when you what what he was going through. He was going to try to land that that right hope. That's all he had Didn't have plan b. We had planned. Am be you know if you noticed in the twelfth round rashidi actually started pushing back a little bit and finished around. Strong are only Only problem in our only mental issue through the whole fight was having a close fight and not getting the decision. You so what happened to. Solomon i think one of those caught one of those had it one hundred ninety five. I did a lot of people think some one that was crazy. So that was our only thing you know and Richie wasn't shape. He he did heat on a roach heat. What she did we. Some some good shows and i was glad you know 'cause you you know when you when you have a car and you haven't test drive the car you don't know what you're getting cheated went through the fire literally He can take a punch. I saw that he punched him through the head. He portion to the body He gave him a few low blows. He hit them and they He's limping a little bit from the hip but He he sucked it up and he did his thing. You know he. He fought in closed for a few seconds which i didn't like but he did good so all. I'm good. I'm good we're done it. He was. How did he respond. When you set on so sorry francisco head sorry this piggyback off what you were saying because that was a great question mark just wanted to like highlight a little bit more. He said the game plan was to keep him at a distance. Pick him off and and boxing rashidi was doing that. Very beautifully jab was on display. The has speed was just. I mean thing of beauty. Just sit back and watch in terms of boxing. I felt like at some point during the fight that he needed to plant and and kind of trade a little bit more with russia to let the judges in the fans no like. I'm picking him off at a distance but when we get close i'm still getting the better of the exchanges and i felt like that would have gave him that more of a clear victory. How did you guys take it. Because i felt like you know what i mean. Just like the clayton fight last week with lipping. Felt like if he would've stood in just fought in one. Or two of those rounds. Three of those rounds. It would swung judges the other way like okay. He's actually he can be aggressive. But why be aggressive box. Yeah one hundred percent. You know the thing with these fight. We just didn't wanna give him no no chance. We know that can can punch And and practically following his house he's gotti -fornia we're from the east coast. The i was good with with state outside. Picking them apart Once in awhile. Like i said he stating 'cause he he likes to counter But i i was good with what we did. You know. i just didn't want to Give alexy's roach any opportunities to Pull the tank davies. Bunch were no. I understand that fully. I think Going real quick back to what you said earlier you had said that Rashidi go back to the corner at one point and you had told them that. Hey you know. We lost that round. We lost his last couple of rounds with her. How did he respond in your mind as a coach mentally when you said that Did he did you get what you want it out of him at that point on said i go what i wanted and then i remember telling him in the ninth round that we have four also and i like to show him the rounds and the and the number soon also he can see you know like i count in his face so he can see that you know. You don't have thirty minutes. Let you have four rounds. You know what. I mean A coming into the nine round. I remember telling him We've got four rows. And i need you to be on top this four rows. I need you to win. These four rounds to have the fight in the back. And he responded. Well man. I think he won. I got the scorecards Two of the judges gave shady the nine ten eleven twelve. Lana gave him denying give the ten to rotor and then eleven and twelve to rashidi so i go what i wanted At the end of the day when you're fighting he's more on the mental. You know trying to keep your fighter mentally focus and and not getting into biking getting off getting like stay with it you know so it was. It was pretty good. The let me ask you go ahead. Go ahead no no go ahead. I'm so sorry. I didn't know if anybody else anymore. That's okay yeah. I just wanted to know you said the game plan was what i'm saying to stay the distance and and pick him off given you know you can look at fighter on tape. And and when he's in the ring get a different feel. what adjustments. Did you guys have to make that. You didn't think you'd have to make in the fight. Was there any adjustments that you had to make like fate of bananas anyway. State thing i looked at I think three or four fights of rocha you know basic guy comes forward through like bang you out No angles you straightforward burly moosehead and. That's what we i. I was glad. Exactly what what we trained for. That's what we got. So i didn't have to vote to graham. Vc we started with with with what we were supposed to do any work. And then i you know rashidi had incredible firing you know he we I think two or three times with the twelve rounds with their meter. Sandri guys like six to allow that go. Oh he's beautiful to watch man. They're they're good. You know two guys strike to act like they're bad guys and you know they do each other and joke around between the rounds. Something's don't even take a break. They just keep the break and keep going meter centuries He's a good good person. Who's fighter when you know Personally great role humble giving shady emilian Pointers and and just helping us out So you know we. We had grace barry. We've spy with a Mike deluca another guy from here from from the east coast. Dolph guy so i had the perfect parent. I have deluca. Other is very similar to to Roja and then. I had the meter sandra to torture little bit on the brain side to keep polishing the boxing that technical boxing So yeah i mean we win. You know right. She told everybody that russia wasn't at his level. And i think i i. I don't think i'm sure we show everybody that. It was a totally different level in that fi when it comes to and and rocha. He couldn't at josie keep doing the same thing Rashidi move leverage. remove right. He used the ryan he used the laugh he threw to the body. I mean it was just different levels. No disrespect to rota a great fighter. But she kept telling everybody like you know is that my level is not on my level as a as a coach right. I wanted to ask you. You wanna go ahead as a coach. matteo anyway go ahead. I'll jump in there and so coach. Look people kind of Want to know right like rashidi. Kind of talked a big game in the sense that he wanted to crawford's in dispenses of the world. But then you know it just doesn't look like he might be ready based off this roach. I fi- and i think people are saying that more because there wasn't a knockout right so my argument was floyd did. Knock out everybody you know. This isn't the heavyweight division. Where you supposed to get a knockout you know. Obviously i'm not happy because he's a heavyweight but rashidi can win twenty more decisions unanimously. And he should be still considered one of the greatest boxers if he does that. So i guess what's your response to that two people wanting a little bit more even though he still beat rotor. Pretty one sided. i think. Yeah i'm with you blah. Like i heard you earlier. You said up you know i was one of those Guys watching arrows versus garcia. And i wonder if i was over i was say it'll be empty. 'cause they said you know spends didn't even drop on once they what the hell. But he won a one-sided decision you you know you can now eight them for that this board of boxing. You know eastern any tools into like an out if i wasn't good Spans just beat the crap out of an elite fighter multiple times world champion in. He needed it easy. It didn't even break sweat. You know what. I mean so like you said you know mayweather everybody out. He he. l. bob's people. The name of the game is is boxing. You know he didn't get hit I i would have done the same thing over again. balsam some do our thing. You know wretched. Els's that provider there. And i know a lot of people say these But like we were saying about tank. Maybe now after these win. He is getting better because of the level of opposition but she is adjust to the level of opposition. like when he was sparring channel. Ucla different rashidi when he was firing the meter. Sandra is different shady But you know he. He'll adjust he'll jolson he can. He can give any of those guys. Great fine mike. My words i heard that so in a perfect world coach. I wanted to ask you in a perfect world being a coach. Who would you really want. Drawn sheet to fight next. We we always wanted to fight. garcia bro. Like we said years ago. We we wanted to five garcia. Now mike donny. Yeah mike to but but for some reason why she wanted to dining arcia always always and does he see something. Garcia is is a great fighter. Stuff like that. but it's like it's like earl spencer. did you see this garcia. And every fibro. Let's be honest. He comes in does the same thing. All the freaking time guys like that are easy to fight. If you don't change it up he's gonna pick you apart. I wanted to on the knockout Tag david snow got. If if you remember fight leo. Santa cruz succeeded in the robes. He throws right. I'll immediately he tries to throw a the one. You don't do that. I can sit counterpuncher. 'cause they're setting you up. I do that all the time. With richie the genealogies gotcha to leo here with the right hand. He gonna little bit greedy through another one tank slip to the side. Boom came to the uppercut so guys like that you know easy to pick apart and no disrespect to garcia what he does the same thing over and over over and over over and over and you know he's gonna glossy size and without and you know. I think you know this take to to watch an antibody okay. Oh i'm sorry all three no. I asked him does anybody else. But maybe that's only the only dante garcia's eighty right now. We wanna fight You know we would like to find an ex champion. You know to name the somebody alive obviously. Because you've got an ex champion that he's fifty years old. Ain't gonna do nothing for your career so a good ex-champion champion somebody alive. There is gonna test ritchie. And richard will test them and then after that you know. Let's try to get a world title. Main like i said That's everybody's goal when they tem professional. You know what i mean. You get that word idol and then you've got to show the world that you belong there with those guys. What former world champion come on man closed mouth doesn't get fed. I i'm finding it hard to find a world champion. That is doable on your side of the street. Right like who's a former world champion that you can get it in there. Where on golden boy even matching them. Right i mean because that's zone is if you you know we. we were looking at killed brooke. Obviously he's fighting terrorists call for but you gotta american. That's why they're you off as guys you think amir khan comes back for russia to you know. Seems like he's on this. Picking his fights. Miami he fought did but that was like seven nine million dollars then he comes back and he fights golfer for a bunch of more seven six million. So you think that's doable He's he's approachable. I don't know if it's doable. You know how much he needs. And you're one hundred percent ritchie. Allies is in a in a position his career. That is terrible. For eddie fighter risk low reward so a lotta guys are gonna say no. The money's not there because you know obviously Cheated that said fighters to do their way and if they're not getting paid you know i understand i understand but yeah we will fight somebody like amir. Kinda fights doable. If you don't want saving nine million dollars to fight a rashidi and i would like to watch a fight lighter you know to Fast guys Everybody knows about america's problems so you know he. He stays dan chicken connor. who knows. maybe we go so. He's ranked number. Eleven in the ib f- i'm sure he'll be ranked once they get to their rankings due to this fight anybody in the rankings. You guys looking at. I mean specifically or no for the longest time When we were in california richards barley penis ritchie. had a. you know. I'm not gonna getting toledo's he was. It was easy I know spiny sparring but most of the time translating to fight. You don't have a headgear and you have smaller gloss. That's the only different We for the longest time we wanted to fight cousteau clayton. We were trying trying trying and said no a million times. He said no way way way way he said no. What do you mean well. We were trying to fight. Play for some reason if i never go down. I don't know who said no. I don't know because i going to ask out. I don't know how it went down. But we wanted to fight these guy. Because i'm seeing the freaking rankings. And these dude it gives keeps climbing the rankings without fighting for awhile roy. He's keep climbing. Climate rashidi ellis was three in the idea. I don't know where he got bumped out. Now he's eleven. I mean and Clinton going over clayton keep going on so we wanted to either. Leaping is playing. Somebody like that might be. You know what i mean but then massive question three fighters. I'm gonna give you three names. You can put them in whatever order. You want to k- Let's say virgil ortiz. A drawn ns keith. Thurman steel clayton and a you. Dentist yoga's low on the the first fight keep them away slowdown coach. What is it about. He looked fucking good saturday when he thought he beat limping. I tell you. Canadian as good as your opponent. Josko you rushing Easy times by leaping postal spy twice and the cycle timeliness never showed up sitting on us. And you know like. I said i will be respectful to everybody. Routine is gonna kill me for this. But but the truth is true. He fought leaping s in front of a sheet is gonna be a different fight so you can really not not up. How can i say you cannot assays. Five will resilient clay in over clayton fighting leaping. Sleepiness is a total different fighter. Mall stays there is completely fast. So it's a completely different fire role. So they listen. Let's give you four leaping as clay in keith terming and then you y'all got you a bit. How you gonna put keith thurman in that list with those guys man keith. Thurman is a former unify. Tim and that's a whole notice. Respect what i'm saying. Is i would like to fight clayton first leaping as then keep okay he just saying wishlist back you guys at the end. 'cause you the the interim will champion so that we know and it's no ortiz in there that's on the we get a world title man You know what we're gonna do for the names that i go to something for him. Respect keep term umbro. I didn't number one. We feel you on that So we do. Have some patriarch questions from the community. i'll start them off. Let's see brandon marino. Yeah brandon maurice. What okay Brennan murray says how do you expect to get big fights at one forty seven being signed to golden boy and they always ask that question. I know you like like. I said before right now. Mikey mikey sign a deal with this for a few fights right but mike is jay. Jimbo and mike is fighting. Mike is eating is always up to the fighter you could be without him and you could be with golden boy. You'll be with whoever you want. Eddie hearn's if you're not knocking false out or beating guys. It doesn't matter who you're promoter is bro you going nowhere but if you're winning and you doing your thing you get to a point that they're going to have to give you a chance bro. You you you know you can mess around with the pipes. Bro and the pressure is going to boss them. You know what. I mean cheated doing what he's doing and he gets fighting where he's fighting. I guess he's going to be number a round numbers. I don't even want number. He's i don't know what number he's gonna be renting the wbz. But i know he's number four or five in the wnba. Nasa said he was eleven in the nba awfully deals going around consume. So we just gonna keep fighting into his number one and they're gonna fight him or relinquish the title and then we find somebody else for it exactly exactly that you know when when they talk about the promoters you know i understand i understand you know people's concern and i know you know i'll him if we were without him because i see have we have all these files lineup. No problems We can only beat so many of goldenvoice waterways like we already mentioned with Roach if we fight virgil then. That's another one and you know who else you got. I understand that. But you know east up to the fight of roy weakest winning. He's he's gonna earn his show. No matter what no matter who is promoters and in all fairness rashidi still developing. i mean. he's getting better from fight to fight. That we see today is going to be isn't going to be as good as the rashidi in a year. You know right now. We don't you don't need to have the opportunity to face porter thurman you know earl back to back to back. That's not what you're looking for yet. You're not there once you get there. Who knows where your contracts at. You know what i'm saying. So you forget that. Like i said before you know it was. Nobody's fault the middle of the pandemic and all these You'll you gotta remember that. She was out for a year before he fought roach. You know in to fight a guy that he's gonna bring a hundred percent fresher and be like injured shades for twelve rounds with a year of lay-offs bro. He stuff rashidi fight in the next four months his to better. I guarantee you 'cause when richie was bbc looking spectacular. Now you know. He's rusty fighting once a year. Of course i mean if it was making when he thirty million dollars a fight. I don't care but you can see but you can see the athleticism. You could see the power you can see the speed. You could see all those things on display. It was how he put them together in the fight versus a very tough opponent. That's the other thing that people aren't saying is russia earned the respect. He's a tough light for for almost anyone in that division. He would be a tough fight. You know. I don't think that i don't think i it's hard for me to believe more than two or three guys at the top of that division spark him out. He is a tough fight and he would win. At least three to five rounds against a lot of the top welterweight side. I feel i feel. Maybe i'm wrong. But we'll see we'll see in due time next next. Next up is keen from florida. He says congratulations on the wind. Coach your brother eddie. Trade me for my fight border war season eight. My question is has always been such a mad. Wait what my question is. Has andy always been such a madman with his training. And are you crazy. as coaches. he is l. o. l. o. I got my brother. Andy he would go them up. Yeah row he sees Like that it's always a inside. He don't get hit so we had a great. We used to we. We live in the same house enfor year. We didn't talk to each to. How stupid was that i. I want them to supermarket. And i will agree. He wasn't there but he saw how passionate we are about the sport he actually was doing the corner with me on. This fight will rashidi. That was my brother. Andy oh wow okay. That's so awesome. Good so cruel. You know story to families you know they. They gordon twine with these boxing thing. 'cause you don't like train I used to. Train accumulates rashid his brother and he sees third. She's going to represent you saying the olympics so it was like two families in twine with the with the beautiful freaking. A boxing game awesome. Awesome next next one. Coming up from coach. Myers says sherbro. Let's see that. I worked hard. So maupassant they lay right here but they like my kids everywhere. I got the. I got to meet a y'all his. It's parks yoshi sound crazy. It's like like. I can't even do it bro. It's oh man so funny. She's adorable but Let's see next. One coach myers says good morning coach in two thousand sixteen you and elsewhere in camp with kamilo for the liam smith fight. I believe i believe what did you take away from. Ellis born cannella that. Give you more confidence in your fighter. We spark on animal for the miguel co fight and we sparkle amir can. Yeah onto pushing a terrifying. The i went to spark on. He's we're what up ritchie de pretty. Good man i mean. That's what got him signed. Oscar also got walk into the gym one day and some spark on and so how good he was doing against handling he signed him right there on the spot I i d to I want to say. I was guilty of maybe baby might fighters would rest and then when i saw the wake on animal was straightening and and the things that they were doing He helped me a lot and vice versa of us. Today he'll tell you you know he learned a lot with shady. 'cause we were like you know not a day beginning of career but when he was stepping into the ring with elite fighters and we kind of help each other out i. I saw him Copy in a lot of the stuff that was doing where rashidi when it comes to the training and then he was doing this stuff that was doing to him at the fights. I mean the despite allegations he was like copying and he loved rashidi. he loved rashidi. Richie always came in and gave them gave them work. So yeah man. I took a lot from that training camp and and especially how to ottawa. Says your fighter. 'cause you know scuttle and and when she was in there banging and stuff so yeah i took a lot from that twenty And i always will be thankful for for the for the help in their their Their advice i'm not gonna lie. I i mean obviously. We're not gonna do it now because we still got questions but me and you we and you've got to have our own personal conversation off air because man. I have so many questions to ask you about that any ties. Some of the things you said. Just there sparked my Journalistic radar will call it that James vowel deaths from san antonio texas on the next one says first of all. Thanks for coming on the show coach. I believe you spoke highly about crawford last time you were on the show. What are your thoughts on him. Fighting brooke who hasn't fought at one forty seven in years three to be exact. But you wanted to fight brooke so you must be cool with it. Well not really. Now we're seeing right. Sheedy east is actually like moving up. So this to me crawford crawfish i love term for. I think i think he's number one in my list of wars but i think offer should be fighting somebody else. Let let kill virus sheedy which she said. Keep moving up here. That's it agreed. Gay kelly broke. He's alive dobro kell. Brook is alive. Dog crawford scooby. Fighting somebody else. Somebody in the top five that he's active A real real warm forty seven forty. He's still my my worry. She's gonna fight. But i feel this way. 'cause we wanna brooke yeah. Francis rance's fish. I'm ej big e. J big earl spencer. You know what. I'm saying that jamaican american all day long. So yeah you know what i mean. I'm the resident aerospace fan on this show. Tense crawford is phenomenal talent. Man they want a won't be for me so but when you said he's number one list had to look at you. Sideways like Face earl spencer junior big e j. I got crawford over. Ej you know minimum. Yeah it's one a one b on when you see when you see crawford fibro he. Just i see them. I joss and deleted things just to go on top of the opponent that i don't see spends doing you know like i can't wait for spencer. Trust terence's body. I can't wait for the body next coming in from boston. Jared says who do you like in fights at one sixty between between andrade charl in andrade canola eight. So it's andrade charles and andrade camello at one sixty eight And driving people love this thing. That guy these is cursed. Andrade is freaking. Kerr's bro how. Could i say it i you know he's he's he's good to a point that this is not good bro because nobody wants to fight him he's gonna make you look bad. Is big brothers. Big boys big bowie and and he can crack a little bit. He's a boxer boy and he's always in top Top shape bro. Started calling sorry code. Sorry sorry did you say a little bit. Did you say he can crack a little bit. Eka cry you said comparing it to like. She said bangor and stuff like that. You know what. I mean because sanders. More of a boxer puncher. You know what i mean. Exactly he's a boxer puncher. You're right they say say danny ainge mocking crack. So i don't know it meters can cry bro. You know i. He's my my homeboy honest opinion without respecting. Nobody i think he you know i got my boy. You know we we. We see them before. Having problems with boxers and major. Sandra you know he. He said a great practitioner of off keeping his distance punching at the end of his punches. He'll make it hard for nine hundred percent. You know coach any every every time we have a coach on or we have somebody who understands the insides of the boxing game at a high level. You do. They always tell us on. Dry their favorite fighter. They always tell us that they that they'd pick him or moreover almost anybody. And i'm not talking about people in his camper just people that are around him. I'm talking about people that have only really seen his work from afar. Maybe seeing a fighter two of his live. But you know. Every time we have fighters on coaches they always tell us. And and i agree. I think he's a phenomenal talent. moving onto carlito's in the uk says what's good coach. What's your thoughts on. Wilders video and hypothetically speaking if you wanted to tamper with rashidi's gloves over the weekend could you have hypothetically speaking So he wants to know your thoughts and he's trying to get an example real world example. Where were the while they're fought. Did they find in las vegas. Yes let las vegas. Las vegas in la las vegas in la are tough. I was going Coming to you is something about kinds. plus I don't know if you guys know. Grants on yeah. He changed the all white. He had the mexican flag on the thumb. There's a picture of him wearing a mexican flag on a thumb and then all of a sudden all white gloves. Yeah yeah What what you do when you go after the way in right after the way you will to what they call a glove selection and you get two pairs of gloves and they. They let to put him on trial mouth. You pick one pair and that berry. Spare one is gloves. The you shows to use at the fight fair to is the extra appear in case one of the rip. I'd or something to glove in the fight. Then you get to changing. But i seen fights. I don't know if you've seen it where glove rapes and they have to change it. I've never seen that. Wow tyson fury by his thumb was real. Yeah that's right. Yeah so yeah. So that's what you have two pairs when you choose spare one. That's your payer. No matter what you says no matter what you wanna do you use spare one very the extra. I don't know how was allowed to change your gloves right before the fight because to me it seemed like he was wearing their one. Which is the pair of gloves he shows through the fight so it should not be allowed to change to the other pair or less. They broke or something because they give you a chance to to put them on to try on to test the glove and you telling them that you feel comfortable with that pair. So why was he allowed to change gloves. I have no clue and to answer. That question is no way you can mess around with us because once you go to the blood selection meeting and you sell your gloves. You put your signature on the fighter. Put the signature on it. So nobody can tamper with them or switch them up and the commission takes them you get dom right before the fight is no no way you could mess around with got it got it. Well enough said upset. So moving onto steve in chicago says thanks coming on the show congrats on the victory is virgil ortiz radar No merger. obviously he's he. You know that. Companies pooling up daily the fisher of boxing. And they're just doing their job. But i think virgil rashidi almost in the same level right. Now when he goes so boxing He's not a lot of money for the fight is is no big rewards. You know what i mean like. I'm pretty sure is better for them to keep moving virgil Get them through. Was a comfortable spot even title fight and then they can make a big fight and sell it. During the sanctum plenty. You got the american against the mexican. The boxer versus the puncher. I think is a gray syllable fight when during a higher level. Bless you. i agree i agree. I agree very much. So i think that that's how you make it Profitable for everybody. You know what i mean. So they're more cushion. Yes sir. i'm much more questions. We've got on john three more three more questions. I got two questions to ask. You could go ahead awesome no problem. I'll let you know when the last ones coming up. King mean of s success. Peach piece coach. And congratulations on the victory. Ellis reminds me of willie monroe. Junior god's name in terms of speed and movement but fighter does rashidi reminds you a what fighter does receive. Remind you of the most in. Why good question. yeah he you know. He reminds me. I got to fighters that. I always said that they remind me a little bit of shady. When you know different times sometimes you other she banks. It'll be more boxes. little be more. But i i say shame. Mostly in in a Andrew berto yes. I said andrea verte on the on the show. We did a live chat. And i was like bro. Doesn't he give you andre berto vibes. The way that he cocks that His power hand right and he's just ready. He's ready like he doesn't load up. He throws a really fast. It's like in his mind. He seen himself throw it before he actually throws. It's you can see him thinking it's it's really cool to watch if you're paying attention But yeah good. Jobs are dead on actually like a means to with mill william monroe Next coming in from mario in corpus christi says hey coach how soon until we see you in the border wars ring. Ps thanks for the gloves. They were the best. I've ever used helped me score a knockdown. That was obviously me. But i wanted to throw that in there. You make the gloves to well that the undisputed fighting here yeah. That's my good friend. Actually he's by many james lewis now. we louis. Louis makes the gloves. Yeah together in the in the gym he helps me out my my body who guy he pulls the body albro and ritchie goes through town his. So yeah we're we're We're partners within the gym man. He said we'll cool guy. He's a great man. he's such a nice guy. I mean he reached out to me and you know it was awesome. And he didn't even you know. Give me some insights on the can't to when you're working you know he had told me you know how things are going and so you know he's such a good dude. You're such a good dude. Thank y'all so much for you know the help and everything and You know he say he'll he'll fight. They said i mean the always like bogging me goals when you're gonna fight because our great fight over i fail. I fell in love with training. 'cause he was harder to me than fighting myself. Baltin kim so easy to me that. When i started training it was like a challenge. You know grammy somebody else in maldonado Onto something you want. But i i heard they. They're doing a hearing in boston. The win i I think he's trainers over over. Forty five you know. We're gonna spire each other and stuff like that. So i put my name on that right away. Awesome awesome awesome next one coming from Jeff in nova scotia says hey coach just wondering if you saw the clay in versus lipids fight and if so how did you score it. I had it nine three clayton. Thanks and you definitely talked a little bit about it. But i don't think you said what you scored it. No i d honest with you roy. A few rows and i. I didn't saw the whole fight. I was i was more upset than than anything. I thought that you know we. We could afford any of those guys. Saudi moment they ended up fighting. The itself On a main event you know showtime So i didn't watch it. But i heard that great shooting wonder if you think i thought he should have won the fight as well. Thought that I i don't know. I don i honestly. I can't really see what the judges how they had that a draw Actually went back and watched it again. I don't know. I think we need to do a live chat on that so everybody can kind of together see visually but Yeah i i like that fight for you. Although i would like to see like to play those guys or limits. Yeah that would be two fights that i think would be great for rashidi in his development. And go with with clayton right. I'm just saying coach. Just being canadian or i gotta go claiming i like on what i gotta go custody o. C new steel. Your in this bore my voice at least for the longest time. I was arguing with people to the point that i almost fought people and he came to brussels oscars hoyer because steelers puerto rican. I always say theater won that fight. The one that fibro and after the years growing in the sport oscar beat the shit out tito for a rouse. How the hell can he win the fibro. I don't i don't get oscar. Carlos last four rounds this call. Cars are already dawn and they should have been done the right way. Oscar one from the first round to the eight round to you one nine ten eleven and twelve. You win the fight winning the last four so you better go for cheating role i gotta go go ahead. Operationally in play in vice terrorist grow for. You're not gonna go week play enroll. that's funny. That's so funny Let's see okay. We got two more two more one of them's you'll see okay so big casual says what's up coach more impressive win in your opinion tank versus leo santa cruz or do verses loma if deal versus loma. How is it. If teo is a natural bigger boxer than loma and his size empowered dominated the first seven rounds. A matter. how skilled loma was. He had no answers for the naturally. Bigger guy at least tank in santa cruz both fought at one twenty six before and cruise never been knocked out before and because that was all one sentence those tough i gotta go on that with dealers loma. Just because i agree i everybody was asking me what i what. I thought that it was going to happen in that fight and i told everybody i said the only way i'd be surprised if is low marchinko win. By 'cause everybody. Expect tranquil bob steel and the other one was if deal wins by decision so i went the opposite because everybody thought Deal was gonna come out. Everybody thought Ching-kuo was gonna win by this season. So i i for me to be really really like wow water fight. I need to see the opposite. And i didn't they're all out outbox slama janko So i gotta go with that. 'cause they're no coat you know like anybody can can throw a punch. Not even you know is close and you happen to land. You cannot somebody out The often is did he. He year my respect he He box the sheet out of the box. So here my respect. So i go. I go with five. The oversaw marchinko guys. You got you last. One coming in from Louis says while november melissa. Is that's a. That's a a we have in puerto rico. Nice precedent for my dominican brothers. Got you got you. We only got a we got like microbrews of like of like Like more that low or some like you know what i mean like they try to strip it down and add more hops tastes like garbage Those were it Francis you had a couple right. Yes i had a couple of questions i wanted to ask you What is what was the whole idea behind. You know what i'm saying doing. Boxing gloves a partner with somebody. Who's making boxing gloves. Just to speak about that a little bit With the undisputed gear. Also we have one of our loyal listeners. Saying that just based on european of oscar beating tito trinidad. He's buying some gear next week I sent me with john lewis. Louis are in the gym all the time he's a he's a boxing fanatic. Like if i'm not mistaken. Because i maybe i'm wrong. I thought he had said that. You'll reporters on the clubs. Is that not true. Yeah yeah we yeah okay good. That's what he had a vision. I remember he had said you know that he makes him and his but he had had a he had partners that y'all partners or something like that. Maybe i'm speaking out of turn but yeah we He he makes the the gloves and he came up with the name and everything I help him out at everything. That i can't because like i said man is a great guy ellesmere with expiring With the with the work with the is I've got multiple. You know pros at the gym so he gets hectic. So i got louis over there helping me out my son andrew. How's me to We we just. We just boxing fanatics. Bro we want to get ourselves involving anything that has to do with boxing when it comes to fighters gear gloves Maybe a boxing podcast in spanish Do we want to do a little bit of everything when it comes to boxing. I should have asked me to do a spanish podcast with us. Man pick day man. We had we've been trying to do Ah sandbox sale and on your payroll you know. It's hard to get do me to be down. Packing my is very. You're very urban marcello. The mundi book several latino to salad torri di mohlala promise from tennessee down. So the number allow us. What is it will say about sale on your second. My second question. Did you watch the fight between you. And kiwi and our very own border wars You know what lewis was showing me Lewis was showing a piece of the fight. I haven't sat watch it but he's wearing gloves. I was proud of that. I wanted controversy based on a knockdown in that fight. And i wanna get your opinion on it but all you gotta do is ask the question though. You don't have to see it to no question. They go heels the rules if you hit would a punch and that causes you to step back but when you step back your foot goes out the ring. The four wasn't there. Whose fault is that. Is that a knockdown enough now. Hold on codes before you answer all week today to explain eight. Mario i now. He don't like the way. I told him that he wanted to change exactly so biased. Quick okay shot to my came from florida so yo. What happened was Mario hit kim with a big right hand. Boo took it flush undecided. News huge right hand much all right hook for the south pole stage right hook. From the stopover here set it up with the with the back left hook to the body and then just came over top bang. Good all right. So course listen to this. Right from florida when he when he trains in the ring. It's not an elevated ring right. It's a it's a flat matt. Show a what happened was what happened. Was he went to put his foot down after being after taking the punch like okay. He took his. He went to put his foot down. Misjudging that it's an elevated ring. He stepped too far back in his foot. Slipped out the out the ring right. He did that twice after that punch that he had taken right but give forget about all that was that would it be counted as a knockdown if he didn't get an opportunity to actually place his foot on a solid surface. That was long man. you know what. Let me tell. You royce listen you fight. You gotta protect yourself at all times. So he's he's he's you know he's the fighters fall. The problem is if if he gets hit and at the moment that he got hit the foot comes off of the ring. It could be call. Now go go thank you. Because he and you know seconds later he falls dead. He's not the polish. But if we got here and they're all you know there's last a do takes to set batboy collapsed late we accent. I wish you can satiate part. Please no me. Let me see coach. Honestly when you look at it right when you look at mar you hit them with a good punch. Good punch what. I didn't see when he put his leg down. He had when you fight. Mario ryota and if you can see mario this guy over here trying to steal your glory every day since the fight you now you you missed. Don't go now. I'm gonna watch the watch the first round though today saying that. Tell me you were a one wrong guy. I'll ask had no lungs best to bear down and try. Let's you know what happened. I was landing at shot. I landed that shot. I swear to god. I went to the corner. And i don't even care if they scored a knockdown stopping this dude like west sheen in my mind just in a way that i just wasn't prepared for i mean it wasn't just that i got tired. He's also very good. You gotta get ready rolling. I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I didn't happen to me again. It happened to me. He was done after the first city. Code watched the fight when lewis shows it to you man because he was trained by your brother and he don't want your brother having knock down on his record was funny. He really well. I gotta watch it. I watch it now bro. There's some good fights got into give me the pointers. So we go with that you guys. You guys did a rematch. For the way you know everything sounds remember earn. It owes a big knock down. Not he hit him a couple of times. I was pretty big. But then after that i mean it was such a thing it was. We don't want the rematch man. We we we let the public. We're going to let the public keep attacking kim. He can't listen he can't run from. It is what what are we now. What seven ten days after the fight is people still talking about it. He he go off of mario remez like you know what. I'm tired of the bullshit. I'm a fighter. Mario mario diego chavez right now he lost the german and he everybody thinks he nice is gonna get my training camp with coach and then it's gonna be versus The neutral corner said now. Tell them the truth. Mario went down three times but he got three. But i'm on his feet. I'm gonna be real though. It was that only that last one that was really like hurt like he hit me and everything was doing. this is were just. I'm saying the whole room was moving. And i'm like my head still like what's going on but Yeah that won't hurt through but but but but it was. The was the tiredness that got to me. Just i wasn't nervous. Coach got wasn't nervous. The whole right up there the night before. But then as soon as as soon as i started walking out though this nerves just all came at once every earth two days it just flooded me. I saw steve cunningham. And i'm like wait. You're going to watch the fight. Like pull his wife says. Did you gotta fight hot. Take the whole family watching today. Maybe you weren't even die. Roy was the nerves. Yes you you're dire but your eye on promise you my cardio's better than that. It's been better than that. I was so once you you get the nurse on shake bro. you will for free and you will. You can go to that coach advice that his work. Because i like to tell people you know the more you spa the better. Your nerves will be for fight night. What what is your. What advice could you give guys on. Our level never fought before some of these guys. Look i gotta 47-year-old just for october. Twenty seven twenty four. We got forty four forty seven thirty seven thirty six. We do a young guys even with amateur records. The sign but for a lot of us. We're thirty plus we watch box in and you know we were tired of talking. We want to do some of the stuff we tell these fighters the do it don't work out that way on campus but we still enjoy it. Listen the best thing you can do bro. I do it with my fighters all the time. like we sparring in my gym. You know regularly But i like to walk out of the gym. I like to to to other james To spy you know what. I mean because you get that feeling the urine. That home is almost feeling that you get when you fighting If you do everything in your own genome and you don't get out of your comfort zone. Once you hit that ring the night of the fight you're gonna feel all those nerves but he helps lead of it getting out of your home out of your own gym and going spy other james. 'cause you're not home you're in these guys house now. You know what i mean. So so he. He helps a lot. You helps a lot getting out of your jim getting out of your comfort sold and going to somebody else's jim own ask you something coach. I wouldn't as well. I didn't want actually wanna bring up a point because i'm gonna get in there soon endured so he's gonna be laughing at my expense pretty soon but this depend aluminium when you guys fight a forty seven year old. I'll go in there and do it to Write this up. How much you way. Way coach one sixty five one. Six t. Oh so at that age. We only got a heavyweight but he's like two six to fifteen forty-seven but yeah not not at one sixty eight. But i'm sure they'll pop up right now i'll get in there widow. Exactly just. Yeah because they signed me up as one fifty four fifty nine now don now everybody where you at the good fight fifty four standard coach me because many this is your time to get some some world class experience. Rare jump in in there with coach rivera. That would be great. One thing that i can tell you about margaret. He was loaded up a lot of his shots. That could also dump any that. Takes a iki with a couple of big left and right hooks and kim was like hell no. I'm getting on my bicycle. Started but at the same time. Kim hit mario with a jab and mario turned his head leg. No i don't want no more the reference. Thank god that was nurse. Yeah he was done after that one that one. Yeah that one way. It's fun man. Listen if you guys haven't check border wars nine. In december december fifth. We got a bunch of pfizer. Wanna run on the fights real quick coach on. You know what i'm saying on the show right now. We got the main event. We got What's his name that we got marvin. The surefire narino mom and mozart tank marvin the tank firm also taken all rail. Terrell harris fire flame adult We did you gyms. This one's going to be in dallas texas at sweat. Jim last one was in pittsburgh at steve. Cutting has jim jim. If you're in that area definitely check it out so beautiful gym like they had. They had like a ring when you walk in right on the mat but they had a separate room with like a nicer ring and it was just beautiful lifted. i think it was a four-foot if i'm not mistaken know what the next one's coming up december fifth in dallas seemed the same weekend as the spence garcia. So we'll all be in the town for that will be given on a show. It's yemen and then it looks like we might have won in may of twenty twenty one in. Dr those look like the next two on the list. And i'd definitely be going to the one in may cause december fav- I got a nationals in But i know december fifth. I'm gonna be with a few amateurs at the national tournament. I would love to go and ask. Oh that'd be oh yeah. Oh that'll be so. Go to come in rashidi. Maybe guest referee for a little. You know little exposure and stuff and yeah that would be that would be saulius goldman like i said december. I will be able to make it but i'll i'll go to a may one hundred percent also so let's run may dr codes. You come dior like something i know the blaze they all right yo. That's really going to happen. There's a lot of people that are already committed. I a listener by the name of my gene bay. He's his name is alvarado. he's from The but he lives here in new jersey and he actually already committed to hosting us. So yeah it's really gonna happen man. We got a lot of people already willing to fight team. Who i wanna bring on actually. Because he's trained by your brother. He's already committed to dr if he could get the right fight came. What's up there. I will play your intro to close down about that. I was going on with coach. I don't know if you remember. Matt actually talked to face time in the gym when they which brother man when he was out there to me he threes you. I'll tell you about right. Yeah got boxing man. Yeah yeah ok okay. Cool me brothers and madman but he knows his boxer man. He loves his boxing so i appreciated him. He got be ready to get in there. Man our arena in. Dr show is gonna be brother against brother. We might have to do this now. Brother brother he gives it a little spice. Yes my brother's crazy so he might even end up throwing up me. And then you'll go your brothers definitely crazy man. I got in sparred with him to men and he's old but he's still got it. He's still he's he's he's a crazy man he gets in there and he sparred with me. He gave me a lot of good work. He he put a lot of pressure on me. He was a tough tough guy man. He's he's great though man. So i i really appreciate. Yeah man he you know. Thank you for coming up. i think that'd be. That'd be exciting man. That sounds like something different something. That'll that'll that'll bring some more attention to oldest man. Yeah man one hundred percent and we're we're very competitive when he goes to to training guys and stuff like that and he goes down. I'm pretty sure. I'm not gonna hear from him and he's not gonna hear that. Well hopefully it's all love man. Hope we don't. We don't cause no more fights between you're not talking for another year like you said. The all spark were grown for that bro. But we'll different. The patchen awesome appreciate appreciated man. Good luck with and rashidi two man. You got same to you. Mean god bless. Thank you forever coach. We also got Celebrity referee steve willis going to be in the building. December fifth willis dish willis be there. He's the rest for all our fight. So you know. I love that guy. He's the man. Oh yeah he's awesome. He's lost about what he does. Definitely but yeah so. Let's run on this so give coach this december fifth. Skeeve your idea of what the car is gonna look like We got marvan versus rail for our main event. We got a surefire d versus elias. And that's going to be at one sixty eight one sixty. Yes that is one sixty sixty eight hundred six hundred. Let me give some background so marvin coach because what would this is like the biggest loser if you ever seen the weight loss program on i think. Abc so marvin started his first border. Wars ever fight was Two hundred and fifty pounds. He was and he started getting in shape for his first fight. He fought twice at heavyweight. Now he's worked his way down to one hundred and eighty five pounds if he wins this hill vacate because he is a champ in our little league and he'll keep going down to one seventy five and now he has actual aspirations on becoming a true amateur. He's only twenty four. he's young. You know what i mean. Yes so he can do it. The opponent he's facing is trained by hector moon the former professional fighter longtime sparring partner danny garcia. He six three two hundred thirty coming down to cruiserweight of a catch way to one ninety to fight more for this opportunity. He's actually going to new mexico to train. We're hector for two weeks in a little bit for this. By then on the undercard we got elias. He has a total of seven amateur fights here in the new jersey circuit. And he's going to be taken off. Surefire de who's from dallas or houston. Who has three amateur fights in the houston circuit. So they're going to be fighting. Then we have big supermax. Three hundred and forty five pounds. He's one of our longtime listeners. He's a truck driver and he wants to lose the way. He gave us a check in at three forty five dollars a week ago since then him and the entire boxing community of our listeners have been encouraged by submitting their push ups and and we're we're encouraging him to do twenty push ups a day. Plus walkie bought an apple. Watch is closing on his rings every day and he's taking the fight versus another big guy who's also three fifteen supermax is thirty forty five smoker amount. Jay from las vegas never four. He's a youth coach for basketball in las vegas. He seemed bored. Awards he wants to get in there so we match those two guys up there on their own weight loss journey Then we got who else there we got sean missing. Impossible jones. Also from dallas or houston. I'm sorry guys but You know he's also an amateur. He's one in the amateurs but he lost his first fight in boorda wars when he took on for surefire fire. Who's now moving from one. Seventy five to fight elias at one sixty so you know. It's a really really big car. We still got some more people there. I just gotta find my sex. So that i know exactly who else's on racism mean. Mario is back after his first loss. And he's going to be taken on a long time listener a tough fight for me. Because i mean is a caller of the year. We do award ceremonies every year even though we haven't done one in three but in two thousand seventeen i mean what's a caller of the year He's been a part of the community for a long time. You know he's. He does songs and everything for tv on boxing bars. So he's going to be taking on my and the thing about that is he. Six six two. But he's one seventy five you know. He's he's thin not thin but in great shape. So you know. He's in mario's weight class buddies wade taller than mario. My really needs to come up with a good game plan For that fight so we got that one on the books. Then we have machine gun. And this is one of my favorite fighters simply because of his heart. You know this is going to be his third fight with us. And he hasn't gotten the wing yet but he keeps coming back and he started at two hundred plus pounds. He has next fight was at one eighty five now. This fight is at one sixty eight so regardless he's not winning in the actual win column. He's willing winning on his weight. Loss journey so we matched them up with another guy. That's also losing. It's a crossroads fight. This guy's got eight years in the military you know he's from Dallas well actually from lubbock texas and he also lost by knockout his first fight every was one of the first knockouts. We've had and he wants to get back in there and get a win so he's on the card as well then. We gotta anthony edwards the queen's city cobra from cincinnati. He's two and one in our league and he's looking for his win after losing the marvin chip. And he's going to be taken on as long as ambrose casa miss bomb. Because we don't match anybody out without seeing you know. Four camp footage of them hitting. The bag spun Footage and also wide were a lot of conversations to make sure that we're matching them up properly in giving everybody a fair opportunity. So we'll be taken on. Ambrose as long as he meets the criteria. And then we got to tb as so we got done now fernandez by anyone at one forty and he doesn't have an opponent just yet but deadline is november ninth. Anybody at one forty hit me up. Let's see can we get you matched. And we got karma search from california at one eight who we also don't have an opponent for hit me up so we could get you madge but it's frigging twenty fights. If those two fights are on twenty fighters rather ten fights and everlasting courtesy of adrian clarke. Protect yourself at all. Times is given a sixteen gear and sixty now. Excuse me sixteen gloves and headgear for all the fighters to keep for this event. So you know we're really excited menaces our biggest one but let me tell you this i wanna give you guys A lot of credit. Because believe it or not through this little thing you guys are doing. You changing lives brokers. I hear you talking about all. These people. Losing weight working out training. Whatever started salita joke. you might be saving lives. You know high cholesterol heart attacks and stuff like that just just positive outlook in the way you in the way you you You go about your everyday person. You know what. I mean so man credit to you guys. 'cause i i know a coach. That's that's As hard in you know they always say if you can change your life span if you can change a person's life that's unbelievable and if you can do multiple times then you know. He's great evening. I i applaud you guys for real man. Thank you look. I is guys like you and in the fight. Is that you train. That have inspired us. You know it started off as kind of a lesson right to host. Couldn't get along. And they fought each other. And then you know. That was in front of keith thurman one of the one of the guys was trained. Not train but he was cornered by dan birmingham to train or if keith term and keep term was kind of like the celebrity judge and it really sparked the fire in a lot of people in our community and then we had the next one and kevin cunningham's florida and it was an even bigger event. I think i think it was like ten. Maybe ten or seven. Canadians flew from canada and it was like a a canada versus american card in. Kevin cunningham's jim so in florida so yeah man it's just been growing and it's like you said so. Many people have lost weight me myself when we started. I was two hundred and seventy eight for a fight that i took in two thousand seventeen. I was able to go from seventy two to seventeen. I didn't like being that thin. After that young boy. Rough me up. But but i was looking good man. I had a four pack so you. You're right man it's it's very inspiring and motivating because it's not easy to have like a support group the way that we do because we're involved in like a chat. We're in a group as well. All the fighters are in a group so daily you know people are putting their bag work or their their matt my showing how many miles they ran or what push ups they did and it's inspiring a like me. I didn't do push ups until supermax needed to support. The last time i was in the gym was marched. The pandemic hit my gym clothes. And i stopped going. I know i'm nowhere in any shape. I've been hamburgers from mcdonald's. All but nash. Let me let me tell you something. Real quick brother. Another thing that goes along with you guys. Doing this is the respect you earn by people like me and other fighters because he's not Easy something that i. I don't hate it. But it's something that i understand and comprehend as you have these guys. And they run podcasts or the interview easy for them to judge a fighter. Why you didn't throw more punches. Why you stay. What do you guys know what it takes. You guys know how he feels so my respect go to you is when you guys talk. You know boxing because you guys know you guys go hit you. Guys went through the training series nervous. I don't even say i give you. I'll give you this one example of ness when we first started. This thing is going to use the word bomb all the left and right and then guess what he started training. He hasn't said that. I will never. I will call world class fighters obama if they had a bad dudes a bum. I would like. I would have called sick of bum seven years ago four years ago but i understand now that a bomb will beat the shit out of me. Actually i a a perceived box rack bum. I mean this heavy way. He's got like nineteen losses. He's a ceo and he's probably in his thirties and he he must have heard me call people buns before the way that he beat me up in gym. So i know now that you know records don't indicate skill or attributes that you only going to see in the ring and it's definitely allowed me to put a lot more respect on multiple fighters and trainers name but it's also eliminated certain words from my vocabulary and phrases. I don't say why he ain't throwing punches. Because i know you know. I know now and you know and i bet lille santa cruz knows now to not to just throw punches. Because something's gonna come back and is going to change your life man so yeah now we. We definitely love. We definitely love a man coach. Thank you for your time. We know you've been on over an hour. Geico's yeah but don't take any man. Don't take lightly D m me. Let's set up day man and to make it official. Let's try and do i. I'm going to try my best to speak spanish. But you're going against the broken spanish from me but man if you do it. I'm more than willing men in its flight. Fire so did i. I'm pretty sure they would love to be on j. Just don't speak the language in and you know it doesn't matter how will you translate. Some stuff gets lost in translation always. I'm down yeah. Like i said i got a lot of respect for you guys. 'cause of what you guys do and not only not only you sit in a chair talking about it but you guys being about it. And that's why. I wanted to bring it to your attention and people are like. Oh why would you. Why would you tell coach about Border wars and stuff because it's the idea of like changing we try and change. I don't get. I've always washed border words. But i'm just a part of it. I did my first one in pittsburgh. But i always believe in things. That's gonna give you do. I didn't find. I was recording. So i did the recording. That you seen wanted to record is that you've seen but i wanted to. My mind is coming up next as it. Because i had to quarantine when i got back to canada or what fought in december but i would only have three weeks of training. Doesn't have enough right but many roles. You guys do three four three last minute. We were gonna do three minute rounds and then we did the second one in kevin cunningham's jim and right away he was like nah. Nah nah nah. As soon as it started as i know you guys are gonna kill each other because you'll be so exhausted so he's like need a mind. That's why you need a box in mind. You know what. I'm saying like to keep the of the evolution. He saw it right away. He was like nah. Hell no coach. I just wanted to tell you. That's why i brought it to your attention. Because i mean as a boxing coach. You know what it's like for people to get off the couch and you know everybody has an opinion. Were getting in there and doing it. And sometimes it's a dream. You know what i mean. You never thought you could be a fighter but you can be a fighter for one day to the press conference to weigh in all. That stuff is amazing on your journey as a catalog like i did this. Y'all can talk. But i there have you been you put on the gloves. So that's our body attention to that. I mean the excitement. I'm very excited my love it. I want more people to sign up and just give it a go. It's like that basketball league hockey football league soccer. Whatever to it's my it's my secret. Passion coach like we had like. I told you a forty seven year old. He was a heavyweight. He got a knockout right. So our rule is no sparring. No fi you know. It was co. He's forty seven. He's like because of my age. My wife doesn't want me to go. Spar some sweaty guys turns out he goes in. He gets a knockout over one of our number one contenders in the heavyweight division. And it's kinda made him not be on the show because people are like oh was he. The ringer was he leading leading a song telling us he wasn't as good as he was and he kind of faded to the back. But you know. I want you at least to say something for him because that's what rashidi has to go through people. He didn't get the knockout their social media telling him he's a bomb he. He ain't as good as he said. Oh earl a beach and this guy is getting a taste of that now the tell him. Oh you're a ringer. Oh you should have told us you were that good. And he's feeling bad when he's got eight. Take it as a compliment because if you would tell them the truth that means you just naturally that good and be. This is why we do this to give you a taste of what these fighters go from so that maybe you could be more mindful the next time a fight a dozen. Get the stoppage. You ain't all on the common section calling them. Obama telling them that they should have did better. Because you took that opportunity to go in there and you've also being ridiculed. I won't bishop to come back. But he has to understand that everything ain't always roses. Inbox and people. People love n hated. Floyd listen to this. Let me try to explain a clear us. I can't with these knockouts. Elation when you see street fights you see knockouts all the time guys inevitable gloves on. Anybody can get a knockout. Anybody can go. You can close your eyes throw upon review land. you can get People are saying to these guys all. Maybe he was that good. That are you know everybody can get an knockout. The watson he's full just happened to land the punch When you got a guy that goes to arouse ten rows whatever or even three rounds two-minute rousing he'll boggs shit on. Somebody makes personal. Nukes look like they didn't belong in the ring with them. That's when you know a guy can really fight because anybody can get an oko. There's buildings anybody can get an oko but if you see the guy you know. He's sitting there for three three rows and he's dancing circles around these guy as stances his grade his defense He's timing then. You know that guy. He knows how to fight. He must been lying. But anybody can get an. It's fair to these guys that everybody's going. Donald him back coach exactly. He turned on a punch landed at beautifully and the guy went down. Shot to you. Know what i'm saying. Everybody a part of it. But they're giving them a bad rap and don't the thing is if you've met bishop the there. I've never gotten a bad energy vibe in my life. I don't think he a hateful bone in his body. He's such a good human being a good man. you know so. I don't buy people. This is part of the sport. You gotta take the good with the bad. It can't be everybody throwing roses at you man worse but at the same time. It's unfair to accuse somebody of something that they had all know. That's not fair. Site areas being accused right now and it's not right and it's not right. It's not right it doesn't have to happen. And that's the thing is border. Wars needs to be better than that better than that boxing. But a coach. We wanna thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for giving us the time Want to give your social media you can do so at anyone not crazy enough to not be following. You can do so now. instagram alexandretta one. Four six. nine you can he me. Up there. Alexandretta one four six nine. I always posting a bunch of stuff. You know must of I you know. I i like to keep it. Real keep it positive for coastal boxing narrative. Message message thank you. So much coach We we appreciate it. Very much and yemen. I hope we see a border wars next year. Yeah definitely like. I said that i would love to make in in may but i don't think that's gonna happen for me because i'll be on national since stuff but definitely go to the next one bro. Awesome awesome i coach. Thank you so much. You have a good the rest of your day. You guys thank you my man all right. I is nice to meet. You bro. has to meet you good coats. Y'all so that was coach. Rivera coach of One forty seven class who is accessible off of his fight. This past friday. Yes russia in the komi vent of the moon ghia fight all shit. I would have damaged. I can't believe we didn't ask him about. Oh man i woulda coulda said about that. Damn bro because that was nasty like you. That was one of the things you show people like like dak prescott s- ankle injury like you show somebody it. Don't matter if they know the game they see it. It's just one of those horrific things you see and so. I'm sure that that's something that stood out to him talk. I can't believe we didn't ask that. 's okay we'll get another opportunity. That's right y'all that would be dope though right him and his brother coaching against each other. Our v. brazi star wars. That's like big time shit right there. Let's see block talk openly me. Check it out. It should be now because they do this. I'm gonna tell everybody real quick just so y'all know i mean it's a little background information. Don't usually give out it. Looks like blah. Talk is back to that thirty minute. Window gap will be s that they used to do. So if we start late just know that blog talk won't be open until it hits that thirty minute marker whatever that is so it's like nine o'clock than if it's like nine to one then it'll be nine thirty when it opens up if it's the show's supposed to start at nine thirty for some reason than it's going to open up you know at ten you know what i'm saying so You just you gotta bear with it but You know it looks like the skipper ditched us right before going to calls but public service announcement Let's let's yeah go ahead and hit the subscribe button. Go ahead and hit the button lee comment. Because you don't cost you know what i'm saying. Communicate with us. We appreciate you spending your morning your afternoon your evening with tv. Also i wanna thank all the sponsors out there that supporting our board awards event Big rig truck it got wireless. We got a bunch of running away after this. I'll snus an outright it out for you okay email and then and if you want i can scripted up to. I mean nothing like two sentences just to get you flowing We can do that that way. It's kind of like kind of like the way the radio really works. You know that the my man. My man charlemagne. He doesn't just remember all the sponsors they hand them a piece of paper and he reads it off like a commercial so dense what That's where we got to be doing. Let's get to the callers. The who can capture dan. We're we're in. He went dark on us bro. he going dark on us as we all sat out. The tank davis maintained an amazing performance Last night a lot of people are going to give him credit for the performance that he had. But i felt like he showed up. I i like i know. He showed up and he showed out. They tried to bring him down to await Seeing that he had discipline issues with making weight and he made the weight. I i would like to say comfortably. He made the way he'd have any struggles. You didn't have to go run to take off a pound here half a pound there. And he came into the fight focused with some fans in the crowd and put on a amazing performance. You know what i'm saying. Put in the whole hundred and thirty pound division and one hundred and thirty pound division notice and the notices. I got one punch. Knockout power went and bought a four division world champion. That a lot of people have fought like adding mars. Leo santa cruz and all this type of stuff. And i starched him stretched him. Also if add navarre's had fought devante. Davis would have been the same result. We don't know 'cause that fight never happened. What the mars was a common opponent of eleo. Santa cruz and santa cruz was stretched shot out. The tank davis shot to the whole tank davis team floyd mayweather mayweather promotions calvin forward. You know what i'm saying. Sixty four the whole team and all baltimore. Air stand up. Y'all got a superstar in your hands. You know i mean he's gonna get dinner deriving grow A and now he's a part of you know what i'm saying. Atlanta atlanta seeing the downside seen so charlotta tank charlotte. leo man. leo came to fight. He was doll punchy. Zoos in there clearly he got to go back to the drawing board reassess his his game plan in his defense to offense his movement. A lot of things needs to be says. Hopefully this doesn't take too much off his career. That was a massive massive knock-up. But yeah davis definitely is demand at one. Thirty whether it's burchill whether it's our oscar vow deaths whether it's Loma chanko whether it's man you can name them at one thirty who you wanna name I'm dave david's in there. And if you want to say one thirty five even better one guy. At one thirty that you give the most Or the highest percentage of beating tank carbon shukor source. That's i don't. I mean i don't mean it like that i mean like i. I should've made the question like other than core. 'cause i mean i that's a fair answer and that's the right answer. I think she has to be considered the guy Because in my opinion core is towards in a league career pound for pound top three type of career at some point But i don't know. I guess other than him because that would be the number one. I guess a burchette for me. I don't think he beats them. I don i don't think he's got the athleticism to hang but to meet with tank But that's a big time. Fight for me. I if changed reached that man and any way he gets all the credit in the world to me. I think burchette has to be considered the big monster at one thirty. I understand she of course there now but he just got their iota mean for me briccetti. I mean just the way. He's ran through opponents guys that i mean early on in his career where they set up fights for him. I mean they thought he was going to lose some of those fights and he came out and just absolutely dominate. This is a guy who if you're not on his level he can make you look really really bad and if you do have something to offer up he can still make you look really really bad at the end of the fight. You know what i mean. So he's just he's got to me all the boxes that check off a guy that can disrupt that type of athletic boxer type of style but tank bring so much more aggression though than regular you know guys that are athletic and have those type of athletic attributes. He has so much more raw aggression that it would be hard for me to see burchett staying away the entire time or not getting caught. Uranium saying so I would favor tank in that fight but to me. That's about as close to a fifty fifty fight. Is anything else that there is to offer at one thirty s. Luding chicago stevenson. David handy is also another fighter. That's up in that week. Class to that can cause some problems but thirty five right. Yeah one thirty five. Yeah no i agree. And that's the fight. I think gotta happen at some point. Like i would rather see haney tank then tank ryan like if they said mario. You know what you've been such a good journalist over the last eight years you've been so down the middle we're going to let you pick tanks next fight. We're just going to do it. I don't know why but we're going to do it. And i would say to myself so anyone and i would say devastating. That would be the fight. That i wanna see. I mean i feel like it's got the most interesting storyline for me as far as like floyd and and everything that's gone on there. I feel like they're both good are great fighters and yet i feel like they both could be better each time out. I'm not saying that. Tank is in great or devon isn't great. I'm saying that they're so good that they're continuing to grow. You know what. I'm saying. Ryan i feel is not there yet. You know what i'm saying. He's got too many big leaps to make and then the other fighters like a burchett have very much room to grow anymore. Like they are who they are So these are two guys that there would be meeting not just at the prime but at the at the propulsion of their career. You know what. I'm saying like still reaching heights that you know many astrid for but few achieve. So that's the fight to me in a nutshell. I would love to see at some point. That'd be a good fun for sure. What does what is Go for gin bro. Good question what did you if you want me to answer. I i will. But i would love to hear what you say okay I dunno bro. I think he's i think he's gotta take some time off in excess. Whether whether it's worth coming back or not because the thing is that tank what he did to him you know. I don't know how much narrative of that like. he take. let him hit him. But i'm sh- i do believe that. He wasn't actively running away from leo like he wasn't trying to not get hit. I guess so. You know what. I'm saying but you go into another fight with somebody who is an skilled but you know maybe carries the way for longer like a burchett like what do you do at that point. I just feel like leo's undersized for the type of style that he has so at one thirty it's like if you don't have the power to keep guys off of you or if you can't keep guys honest then what do they do. They run through you. So it's tough but i don't know what do you think i don't know man one thirty s going to be tough Should he go back to one twenty six as she at one. I think there's a few fights out there that he can definitely You ever said better. I think he's still can make. Just i don't think there's a lot of fights at one twenty six was therefore him interest bigger. Bigger money at one thirty you can have the third fight with Carl frampton if they so choose that could be a fight that you know what i mean like a cash five film. I liked that. That's a good idea. He could give add another rematch. That's considered it'll be considered in. His team is kind of a soft touch. Because i've known you know is been out the ring from a long time since the surgery but speaking just got off the phone with his people's men they're gonna they check they check in the vault man for the goodie bags they wanna get down on him. Goodie bags shot. The francis started that and we closing it. Now man Yeah we're trying to get free. se francis. We're trying to get a payroll and some one time. May i sleeping on one side. I must've forgot trying to get them. Goodie bag johann be heavy. Man them goodie bags going to be heavy man. Heavy charging a fee and the fight is gonna end up getting more than that game and this is just the beginning after this. We can't go back to back in the day you know. So it's like it's going to be on this level move. Nobody that's the that's the only problem with growth. Is that once you start go ahead. Yeah once you set the standard. It's standard standards the read exactly but you know it is it is also situational. So it's on you. If you didn't sign up for this one of your laws maybe. The next one is greater. Maybe the holy the prizes or the or the goodie bags greater maybe they not you know. That's you saved souls'billie. Oh you saying both. That's what i'm saying. 'cause seles while you were gone people were asking how to sign up for border wars man. You do closing deals you know what. I'm saying that we already started. We love it. We work you work. I mean how you saw straight to sign us. All you gotta do is get a plane. You take it to canada. You find francis nazli now Let me tell you wanted to sign up to board awards. This is the simplest thing. Pick a host of your choosing whoever you feel familiar with comfortable with and they're going to answer all your questions man when you ready to sign up. They gonna send twitter at morgan instagram. I get back to you after all your questions have been answered you know and you still ready to sign up. They will send you the link. There's a fee but you already know you getting a whole bunch of stuff. That's at this point. Double that fee just gloves alone calls. Two hundred united mean specially custom gloves of somebody like that. What up champ. I feel bad for award as participants. Man i do because we go all out for to start somewhere man. I know what was on board. They would've catalyst you know we started with them and saw good one lead us into this one. Now all they gotta do is board wars eight gotta sign up. Shot out real. Quick to my tb fantasy pick them league winner got alito. Call them to my bedroom. My gino sammy sosa. He also won. Unfortunately they had to split but you know they still in the patriots shoutout to anthony side. Those who just signed up to patriot may his fight with sean mission. Impossible official. yea let's go. Let's go chip you. 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How you doing was good good morning. Tv i'm good. I'm just. I'm just listening to show. Screen is always That was coach. Revered i was on that yup yup yup. Yeah yeah with rashidi or whatever yeah Speedy yet that was Great interview No definitely by next year. I'm definitely gonna get in into border wars. I'm not i. I don't know december man i don't i don't know i don't know about december but definitely next year for sure. Hey you y uh i. Yeah that's right. i. I definitely won't be a part of it. Seem sweet so And then all payroll. And i'm just glad the he just say i definitely want to be a part of it. Francis seemed sweet. You want who truly dog trolling. No no no you're would no no no no I just said that. Looks sweet. Like i i liked the hose. Border wars thing mario getting in there. I knew he was gonna do his thing. I mean. I know. He didn't necessarily win. But i don't know i knew he was gonna do decent like these strong dues so i don't know i just shake enjoy. You see that you see that. Mario win from lose into not necessarily win yao dog. You've got the biggest biggest thing you've got. The biggest laws embroiled awards. History like yours is bigger than any win man. Nobody i mean. I feel bad for key minutes like i say. I don't even notice it. Kim doing in the back man. I feel bad because it looked like. I'm in at home or trying to overshadow when i should be showing him love but is not that. I'm not showing them. Love is just. That's the way is playing out man. It's like you markle's may donna versus fluid you laws but people want the rematch people want the rematch good. That's a good very very dow's great. That was probably the best example you could get. I'm boorda awards true and true man. That's the best example. Because that's how i feel like listen a lot of high level stuff in there. You know what i'm saying. And i recognize what he did. There is no question to me that he beat me like. It's not even a question. Yeah just like you said it's plain out a certain way you know. I can't control it off. Knocked out a knockdown not down sweet his narrative. When that was that was that was stood up canada. The niagara falls was the one that say. Yo mario he like mario did is not. He was looking. Like mikey garcia. I mean he ain't necessarily we're and that's where it started like see he ain't saying like your mario laws guys nine. He ain't necessarily win. Which means like go. I really liked what i've seen from mario. That's what that translates but it's all good. You don't have any like that. It's all good. We go on at the coach rivera. Who wants off smoke with you. Do you hear him though do hindu. Oh his smile. Turn real quick to a frail coach. Where you at coach you as you go. S- go look at him in coach busy. All that big ass busy you tell them is the fuck that's fucked up. We're going out to jay maggot. New orleans may coach is busy with that big as intro sport. Total disrespect has no. 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