8 Episode results for "Joseph Degen"
Will there be repercussions for frivolous Trump election lawsuits? UW law professor says yes
"This is komo. I'm camel kim. It took one sentence for the united states supreme court this week to declined to overturn certified election results in pennsylvania. It was the latest failed attempt by donald trump's lawyers to challenge the november election which he lost. It's not just judges that are rejecting rudy giuliani's arguments so are many others in his own profession. A bipartisan group of over fifteen hundred lawyers have signed an open letter addressed to the american bar association. Saying trump's lawyers need to be held accountable. One of the signatories is hugh spitzer. He teaches constitutional law and legal ethics and professional responsibility at the university of washington. School of law professor. Spitzer thanks for joining us today. Pleased to be here. so why. sign this letter well. I've been concerned for quite a while. That some of the activities of a rudy giuliani joseph degen uva sydney powell janet ellis. Those lawyers specifically have violated any number of the basic rules of professional conduct. That lawyers are subject to nationwide. Can give us some specifics. Sure there is for example. A rule in almost every state probably every state That lawyers are not permitted to bring or cases on behalf of their clients unless they have a good faith belief that they have both the law and the facts on their son. This rule has been around and serious for about two thousand years in our legal traditions. And it doesn't mean that a lawyer has to have all the facts together but she or he needs to know that there is really a there there before they bring an action and these lawyers have gone beyond the bounds. In that was there may be a time on it on this to a certain extent. Whatever energy is behind. Trump's legal moves that may dissipate by the time the electoral college votes and puts the final seal on the election results and that's happening december fourteenth. So i'm wondering if these failed lawsuits. Just drop out of the news. What kind of disciplined could they be facing if anything. I went through the the rules of professional conduct yesterday in about ten minutes identified at least eight separate sections of those rules that one or the other or all these lawyers have violated. They could face depending on the state. Anything from admonishment which is a slap on the wrist. Sometimes private sometimes public up through suspension for a period of time six months or a year or two or disbarments simply losing their licenses and the disciplinary sist run by bar associations or court systems throughout the country under the always under the supervision of the courts with a great deal of due process and hearing sin song but ultimately they could have their licenses suspended or they could lose their licenses to practice law. I remember when i spoke with the about this earlier. You asked me if i could tell that you were getting a little bit worked up about this whole issue. Tell me about twenty a little bit more. Well i teach professional responsibility to students. And i spend a great deal of time. Emphasizing their individual obligation to observe the rules and to act in a highly professional way throughout their careers. And i almost put question on the exam at asking the students to identify how how many rules of professional conduct could find that. These people had violated. I didn't do that in the end but cross your mind. It's sure across anything else that you think. The general public should keep in mind as they see. These lawsuits play out. I think it's really important for people to continue to have confidence not only in our democratic system in our electoral system we have a remarkably honest and fair system regardless of what some people including the president and these lawyers are saying and they also need to continue to have confidence in our legal system and the regulation of lawyers as part of that system. Hugh spitzer teaches legal ethics and professional responsibility among other things at the university of washington. School of law professor spitzer. Thank you for your time thank you.
20210428 Nicole Sandler Show - Ratfucking Then & Now with Don Siegelman
"The following program contains graphic material including offensive language of your discretion is advised. Jeez got the news. She talks with newsmakers. She encourages us to laugh and she cries with us. Speaking truth to power and questioning authority daily. It's the nicole sandler show all right. Welcome to a wednesday. Everybody i am. Nicole sampler coming to live from nicole sandler dot com. That's where the show is based and should you ever. You know get to five o'clock eastern pacific on a weekday and we're not being heard in the usual places you can always go to nicole sandler dot com you. Click on the listen live and there are links to the various streams to the progressive voices network which at progressive voices dot com to my stream at nicole sandler dot com which you can also always get at nicole. Sandler stream dot com. If all else fails you can always just get the simple audio stream. Their links to our video streams these days. We are on facebook live. We are on twitter and we are on twitch. We are still suspended from youtube for a ridiculous reason that i've already spoken about. I'm sure we'll. I'm sure i'll rant about in in days to come before. Suspension ends the end of june ridiculous But that's again that's the story for another day today. Let me tell you what's going on. I we are. I know. i seem to dwell on this theme but we live in a world. I mean we go along you and i. We're we're relatively saying. I'm not saying that. All my marbles are where they should be know like anybody else. I have my issues as we all do. But we we by we. I mean progressives democrats. We're painted by the right as crazy people. But we know that they are guilty of projection. This is what they do. They take what they do and push it off on us. I just heard the craziest thing in fact. Let me play this for you while a while i still have it here on. I'm thinking about it. I think i pulled the video. Yes okay so orange county california. Oh shoot this. Won't this won't work. they're all right. I'm gonna play it from from the from the website. Hold on one second. I just gotta get it. I gotta get it up as they say all right so orange county. California is not my favorite place as somebody who lived in los angeles A very liberal person. We always used to joke about you. Go into orange county and the things behind. The orange curtain are not quite so democratic friendly. It's kind conservative down there. But i didn't realize they were just really stupid to and i bring this up because there's a hearing the orange. County board of supervisors is having a hearing. I guess about the vaccines. And i want you to hear what one of the supervisors said. And i can't make this stuff up. It is real. I just saw this moments before coming on the air. So it's fresh in my mind. You're ready for this all right. Let's go to the videotape It's only at the patient's request correct does it. Is there any intention of tracking folks. Donald wagner supervisor third district. Is there any in the vaccine we heard about an injection of tracking device is is is being done anywhere in orange county witnesses laughing to compose myself. There's not a vaccine with tracking device embedded in that i know of exists in the world period period. Okay now the idiocy is just astounding. This was yesterday at eleven fifty am pacific time. Orange county california. Donald p wagner supervisor third district. Hey orange county california people seriously. You guys need to turn off the fox. Because they're doing the. This is your brain on fox. Your remember the old commercials is your brain on drugs. This is your brain on fox. These people are demented. They are they are nuts. The kind of shit that they're spewing is frankly embarrassing and and their spawning all of these crazy fucking people around the country. So i read a story the other day. I'm in south. Florida or florida as i like to call it and see a story about a school called center academy and i. My heart skipped to beat. Because i thought it said center academy because that's the name of a school that my kid went to in ninth grade for half of the year. Thankfully it's not the same place. The one she went to was a little bit better than this. So center academy apparently told it's parents that no or told told staff and teachers that nobody is allowed to be vaccinated if you do get vaccinated. They do not want you to have contact with children because they're afraid that you that the kids can catch something from a vaccinated adult. This is a school a private school. That has a pre k. It goes pre k through eighth grade. I tried calling there and the phone just rings. It doesn't go to voicemail nobody answers i wonder why but anyway i was able to pull up their website center. C. e. n. t. n. e. r. academy dot com and look at their twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two tuition and fees part-time pre k. To is well. It's only a very reasonable fifteen thousand one hundred and sixty dollars a year. Preschool i guess this is full time. School pre k to to pre k. Four twenty two thousand four hundred seventy five dollars a year. Okay then kindergarten to fifth grade. Well now you're an actual school so it's a little bit higher twenty four thousand five hundred dollars a year and for sixth through eighth grade twenty nine thousand eight hundred fifty dollars a year but wait. There's more the matriculation fee what is twenty two hundred dollars. The technology to fifty the computer fee is three fifty and the smart tuition fee. I guess as opposed to the dumb tuition fee. It's fifty dollars. Oh and there's also a two hundred dollar application fee. Tuition insurance and protection is not included. Monthly payment plans incur a one hundred dollars a month. Surcharge and lunch is billed separately. A two hundred and thirty dollars a month and by the way they will not allow any teachers or staff to be vaccinated because they believe that being vaccinated poses some kind of a threat to the children in the school who they and it goes back to. They actually have a vaccine policy. Here's their vaccine policy at center academy we value individuality and honor freedom of choice. We are proud that our happiness school our happiness school does not mandate vaccines of any kind and we accept religious exemptions. Oh my god. So this is in miami miami proper. There's the preschool. Campus in the elementary and middle school campus. I'd call them. But i'll try again. I tried calling a little while ago and again there was no answer. But i'll try again. What the hell. Because i really. I really wanted per calling governor academy. They're going to school. Campus press one for the elementary and middle school to want to press to. Let's see if anybody answers. Because i really like to talk to somebody when i called earlier to see. That would go through if they even answered the phone at just. The message repeats connecticut somebody answered. Hi my name's nicole sandler do a radio show. I'm curious about your vaccine policy okay. I'm doing what was your name again. Nicole sandler on the air. It's an internet radio show. And so i wanted to and they have. I'm sorry you call in the main line. Can i go ahead and have your information. And i kept someone contacted well. See i'm i'm on the air now so i'm trying to get an answer about your vaccine policy. Your i apologize. You're calling school phone in order for us to go ahead and speak to. Parents need pick up through student. Oh i see okay all right and there's not another number i can call. I can take your name and information and then just have someone contact you. You know what. I'll call back another time. Thank you very much. Thank you so much von. Oh well at least they answered. Okay so i guess they're still doing business. Who would send their kid there would you. I guess maybe the orange county supervisor. Except he's in california or maybe they're joe rogan listeners. Joe rogan who. I guess does a popular podcast. Who know not a doctor not a scientist. As far as i can tell but he goes on the air to his millions of listeners and apparently yes he has millions of listeners. A suppose and tells them well if you're young and healthy and you work out. You don't need to get the vaccine. Excuse me what this is the problem. This is where we are in the twenty first century in the united states of america people who have no bona fee days who have no scientific expertise. No education tell you what to do with your body and how to fight this global pandemic. that's already killed almost six hundred thousand people in this country alone. What is wrong with people. If i need medical advice i certainly don't go to my account or to the guy at the gym. I go to a doctor. If i have a scientific question i go to a scientist. This is this is indicative of where i hate to say it. But we're the last four years has gotten us. I won't place all the blame on the last four years but certainly a lot of it comes from there where you had idiots who didn't know what the hell they were doing telling we had people lehman in the trump administration celebrating that they got the cdc the centers for disease control to change their verbiage and their their guidance into to use their language rather than what the medical experts say. I just i just don't get it. I just do get it so their stuff going on today. By the way. I'm looking at everything that's going on and realizing that if somebody high enough up in government wants to do something to you they can we as citizens have no recourse and this was brought back to me in a big way when i got an email from from from don siegelman. Now if you've listened to this show for any amount of time you're familiar with name and if you've if you've been involved in progressive politics for any amount of time you should know the name. Don siegelman he was governor of alabama from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine two thousand three. He was a progressive. He was just a rising star in the democratic party. There was talk that if he were to win. Re-election as governor for a second term in alabama that you know he could be a potential presidential candidate and he would have been great. You know a southern progressive would be awesome. And then well. Karl rove went after him. And don siegelman wound up railroaded. He wound up in prison. He wound up no longer governor. He wound up in solitary confinement. He served a long time in prison and finally he served out his sentence. Nobody came to his rescue not to party. Who knew who he was. He wound up serving years in jail and then he was under supervision. When he was finally released he'd just finally got rid of that and now you know he. He wrote a book. We had him on last year when the book came out called stealing our democracy how the political assassination of a governor threatens our nation. And now he finished doing the audio book reading the entire thing. So it's in his voice and and so i don siegelman has an open invitation on this show anytime and actually. It's good timing. Because i wanna get his take on what is going on. And and for example who is worse. Who was more of a part of the term. But it is an actual political term rat fucker. Who's the biggest wrath. Fucker was it karl. Rove or is it roger stone and again you know wrath fucking has been around for for a long time in fact i think they said donald gregg back in the nixon years was the original rat. Fucker wikipedia says wrath fucking is an american slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks particularly pertaining to elections the thing that makes the trump people so horrible is they are rat fucking on steroids. Because this is the projection rat fucking. They did all the dirty tricks deal the election. They turn around and accused our side of doing what they did it. It's almost too complicated. It's enough to make your head explode. So it'll be interesting to get don siegelman take on that and find out who he thinks might be worse. you know if it was if it is karl rove who went after him who got him. Good tell you that. Or someone like roger stone in the rest of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. Speaking of part of the cabal that surrounds the former guy. It's great timing because today. Yes this morning This morning the feds rated rudolph giuliani's upper east side new york city apartment and his office building on park avenue. I love this hakim jeffries. Who is trying to position himself to succeed. Nancy pelosi as speaker of the house. I'll reserve judgment on that. Well i know where i stand but we'll go into that another day because i don't have time today. But how came. Jeffries tweeted quote. It's official rudy. Giuliani is now under federal criminal investigation. Yeah so here's the story rudy's apartment on the upper east side and park avenue office building where bolts searched by the feds devices at the crux of the probe. Investigators have been trying to figure out whether giuliani lobbied trump illegally for favors spur ukrainian oligarchs who are helping him sniff out. Biden controversies one of the key. Questions has been whether he was paid for trying to persuade trump to oust. Us ambassador. Marie ubon bitch. We remember marie-yvonne bit. She was one of the heroes of the impeachment. Her testimony was jaw-dropping. It was just just great and you know. Donald trump always threatened by any strong woman. Anybody who who'd stand up to her. Well there's more. Let me tell you. More harry. Littman tweeted out. Hold the phone. Fbi now at advert victoria. Ten things house. Oh now victoria tensing. It's a lawyer. Wife and partner of joseph degen uva same circles is rudy and trump. This has the hallmarks of a bigger day at doj. And she's probably not expecting it on like rudy. So not only did they re raid rudy giuliani's apartment and office but victoria tensing and joseph degen. Remember they were going to join his defense team and then like the next day said no. We're not and i don't know what that was about whether it was just. They didn't wanna lose their lucrative fox contributor jobs because they get money for that and they probably knew that that donald trump is a notorious shirker in other words. He doesn't pay his bills. So i don't know but there's a lot going on here and yes so this is good. This is good news about something that that judged in obviously a judge cleared the way for these raids carried out and they've got rudy's phones and computers and all right so that's going on hoping to get some bit of justice. Another judge made a ruling this one in north carolina. This one. i'm not so happy about superior court. Judge jeff foster today ruled that today issued a decision to not publicly released the bodycam footage of the fatal april twenty first shooting when when cops in elizabeth city north carolina shot and killed andrew brown. Junior remember it was. I was just yesterday. His family was supposed to see the video. They go to the courthouse or the police station or wherever it was they. Were supposed to see it and they were told. We're not ready for you yet. We have to redact some of the footage which is nonsense because this is not the media. This is not the public. This is the family of the man made killed and so they had to wait so when they finally waited they were finally brought in and shown twenty seconds of video. Twenty seconds when the video started shots had already been fired so the shooting was in processed in progress they have. They didn't have any context. They didn't get to see what precipitated it. They didn't get to see what happened before the shots were fired. They were shown twenty seconds and even at the twenty seconds. They said what they witnessed in. That twenty seconds was an execution now. The judge says no no video for you. We are not gonna show you. What's on this video. i'm. I'm sorry that's just that's just flat out wrong so now i'm hearing well we may get to see it. Let me see. If i can't find this other story that i was just looking at now. I can't find it. We may get to see it after thirty days. But they're saying the judge said his decision not to release. This footage was based based on. I can't make this up. Was based on the footage potentially affecting a fair trial if there was to be one and possibly jeopardizing the safety of the deputies in question now remember there were like seven cops and i don't have the exact information in front of me but there were seven officers suspended. A few were fired their stuff going on here and and for them to say. Nobody is seeing this video. I i think what is on. That tape is devastating and by not showing it to us. You know what we can conjure up in our imaginations. What we think happened is going to be worse than what did happen. Maybe or maybe not. Maybe it's just so horrific that i certainly don't want to see it but we need to see this stuff and i'll tell you something. This story comes out. And and then i see this one and i wasn't even looking for it but let me show you this today. April twenty eighth daily beast one fifty two. Pm eastern time bodycam footage shows fatal chicago. Shooting of anthony alvarez. This is never ending a police watchdog agency in chicago. Released chilling footage today of a cop fatally shooting twenty two year old anthony alvarez from behind a march thirty first incident that took place less than forty eight hours after the fatal police shooting of thirteen year old adam. Todo the in bodycam footage from the officer who filed the fired. The fatal shots we see him run past another officer in pursuit of alvarez who appears to have been holding an object that look like a gun and i the the cop says hey drop the gun drop the gun as he comes up close behind this twenty two year old kid. I'm sorry twenty two. He's a kid. The officer then quickly fires several several shots at alvarado as he fled. Alvarado then is hit. He's moaning in pain. He says why are shooting me. The cop says you had a gun. Just i haven't seen that footage either. But according to the daily startled says there's no indication from the footage that alvarado pointed the weapon at the officer. It says in in what is presumably a security camera at a nearby home footage from that al alvarez does appear to be holding something shaped like a gun. The object falls to the ground after the incident and the officers on-scene repeatedly expressed concern about keeping tabs on it. Even as they attempt to render to alvar alvarez. I guess they rendered aid while. That's a difference. Should we be happy about that. I don't know what the answer is. I do know that there is legislation out there for police reform. And something's gotta be done. Oh and by the way there's more here's another one. Police relieved footage released footage of the events. Leading to the death of mario gonzalez twenty six year old latino man in alameda california showing officers kneeling on the man's back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative. Leave i mean it's just the never ending story. I don't know what it's going to take until these cops stop doing this. Take their guns away. If a cop is on traffic stop duty. He doesn't need to be armed or she. I'm just. I'm just disgusted. Then there's a follow up to the story. I told you about on monday. Karen garner the seventy three year. Old woman who was tackled to the ground by loveland colorado police. This was horrific. I played the video. This frail eighty pound. Woman was tackled to the ground by this cop later on you see him in the squad room playing back the video on laughing saying there's the pop and he laughed about. He said that was her shoulder. He also fractured her arm. And now her family is speaking out. She's got a daughter daughter-in-law and a granddaughter and they're all saying she has not come back. She's now living in assisted living facility and she is anxious and scared and it's not the woman that they know and love. This is just disgusting. Something's gotta give all right enough of that. I see i see. The don siegelman is is in the zoom room. So we're going to talk with him just a moment but we're also waiting for the not the state of the union address. It is joe biden's first joint address to a joint session of congress. It would be the state of the union address if this wasn't his first year in office but because usually it's delivered earlier it's like in february or maybe march but usually like february. And by that time. I guess they figure that the incoming president hasn't been on the job long enough to actually do a state of the union address. So it's it's a. It's an address to a joint session of congress. Well this year. It was delayed for a number of reasons. One is of course. Well cova everything is cove related but the other is because the this speech will be delivered tonight from the same room where insurrectionists broke into congress and you know wanted to kill nancy pelosi and hang mike pence and this is the first time that they were doing a big event in in the capital again. And i'm sure there was a lot of trepidation surrounding that. And i'm sure they took great security measures And now we know that there will be a maximum of two hundred people in the room as opposed to being a packed room. So it's going to be a different kind of speech than we're used to aside from the fact that it's not actually a state of the union address but joe biden's also going to be delivering his new newest plan and it is the this is the second part of his infrastructure proposal. This is the what are they calling this one the american. Oh god i don't even know i hold on. I've got it right here. i have. I have the Let's see it is the got a scroll up to the top of the pdf like a fifteen page document. The american families plan. It's all related. And i guess if he had to split them up into jobs infrastructure families. That's okay. I think it's it's. It's the was the rescue plan the jobs plan and now the american families plan. So there's a lot of details there. Maybe we'll get into it. Maybe not but i see our guest is here and let me get our shots at up and i wanna bring don siegelman in of course because he is our guest today so i will say hello governor and welcome back to the show thank you. I'm glad to be back. And what a what a great day to be back. As the last time we talked the future of the country was not quite as clear or as bright as it is today but thank goodness we have major change and there's a new president a new direction for this country. I'm really so proud. So blair the biden administration zone. As i governor. I got to be honest with you. I was not that excited about a biden candidacy and even more worried about a biden presidency. I didn't think he could win. And i certainly didn't expect the progressiveness we're seeing from him. I i said it a few times. And i'll say it again. I've never been so happy to have been so wrong at least so far knocking on on wood. Laminate you're a progressive. So are you surprised at the direction. The the The biden administration is moving. Well as you. I am pleased. I think new president's choice they can either start looking toward the next election and choose a moderate and cautious path forwards. Not so they don't really take chances. Don't rock the boat. Don't offend to many people or as Joe biden is chosen One to go all al recognizing that you know. He knows he has four years. And that's all he knows he may not even have for years but he knows he was elected for for your term. And there's no guarantee. The reelection is in the future so he is. He is decided to make chain. He's putting people in place who is appointed people who also want change. And as a result of we're seeing that the fulfillment of his campaign promises. I am delighted and encouraged yes. It's a good thing and it seems like you know he's listening to the people that bring him there. As it worked. I was worried that bernie sanders was going to give up the power base that he had look. He has had a huge following and he brought a lot to the party to the election without bernie sanders supporters. Joe biden couldn't have one but it seems and i was afraid that he was going to sort of push them off to the side and say get out of your kid. You're bothering me. But he didn't it seems like he's really taking a lot of of what bernie is suggesting to heart except you know. Of course they were going to be things so we noticed in this new american families plan bernie's suggestion that in terms of health care that they lower the age the medicare eligibility age. I think to sixty or fifty five a few other things. Those suggestions were not taken instead. What they do is they. Basically shore up the affordable care act and and make the the addition to the subsidies last longer which is one of the things they did in the in the american rescue plan. And i know that it's true because my my insurance from the exchange it's through healthcare dot gov and after that legislation went through. I said well let me go in. And see if i can get you some help on my premium and sure enough. My premiums came down about one hundred dollars a month so the help is there and he. This plan now makes that extends it further to give more people help. And i guess to get to ensure another four million people so at least it's going in the right direction. Well it is going in the right direction and needs to go further in the left direction and no one should go to hungary hungry or homeless without healthcare. And we still have a long way to go. I am pleased that the biden administration has picked up on a bernie elizabeth warren of call for of universal pre-k early learning all kids and everyone should go to college and we should forgive student loans that we should reform taxes. We should Raise the minimum wage and create new jobs. So you know lots is going on and again Joe biden has chosen a path of change and Clearly understands that this is his moment in history. If he's going to give back to. The working families of america now is the time without a doubt without a doubt. Now there's still a long ways to go and you mentioned the the education this new plan that he's going to really introduce tonight in the speech calls for it says four more years of education free education. It's two years of preschool and then two years of community college but they're also talking about more money for pell grants and more grant to historically black colleges and universities and other schools that cater to low income people and minorities. And so it's really you know. Finally i feel like we have an administration who's looking out for the little guy which we haven't had in a while. Frankly so you're absolutely right is crystal clear that President biden has placed at the top of his agenda. The working families of america which includes and understanding that. The parents want the best for their children to get there. They've got to have pre k. Tab some promise of higher education We've got to have tax reform higher minimum wage better jobs and he's moving and all of those directions. You know the other thing. That we haven't mentioned is is push for Toward and understanding of the climate crisis. He's he's you know. He jumped out of the box with that. Right headed in the right direction so more applause. Yes we talked about that yesterday. Here on the show that he convened this climate summit with forty world leaders the zoom but is committed to doing something which after coming off a four years of a guy trying to reverse the course on any progress. We made it's refreshing. But he wants to take it even further. So i'm thrilled about all that but here we are today. Don siegelman talking. And whenever i think of your story i get angry. I get so angry. And i'm looking at it today. I'm thinking about you and what what was done to you for those. Who don't know. And i think most of my listeners are familiar with your story. Don siegelman was arising progressive star in the democratic party. In two thousand to you. You're coming to the end of the first term as governor of alabama. You had already been attorney. General secretary of state lieutenant governor and governor only the only person to have held all four of those offices in alabama. You were running for reelection and you were considered to be a great prospect for the democratic presidential nomination. Going forward you were. You're the guy. I mean to win in alabama and i don't think there's been a democrat who's one state office. Since you left. I could be wrong. But i i don't doug jones right so and then they went after you you were targeted and it. And if you wanna tell the reader's digest version of the story for those who may not know what was done to you can do about show that was targeted from the bush white house. I was getting ready to launch a campaign. Against george w bush karl rove and his second lieutenant woman named kidding mccullough cain alabama state here throughout the campaign. She was one who was given credit by the state republican party for finding the votes necessary to swing the election to my opponent The election was illegally certified call robes client the state attorney general There was an influx of some twenty million dollars from the indian casinos mississippi by way of jock. Abramov ralph reed to call rose college buddies and so you know colorado singer prints were all over. The case have sworn testimony that he was involved in it. S the department of justice to presumably. I was brought to trial Thirty days before My reelection by the wife who is a us attorney whose husband was running my opponent's campaign. Us husband was running my opponent's campaign. I was brought to trial thirty days before my reelection in two thousand and six. So that's a thumbnail sketch my book. I'm excited about this and the goal has just. I'm not talking about the audio present right. Just finish the audio version reason. Why took me so long is because our listeners. To hear at bob boys not a hard gun. Come on and so. I'm really excited about that. So it is now available like through audible and the other places where you get audio books. So it is called Stealing our democracy. How the political assassination. A governor threatens our nation This this the original print copy. I devoured in about a day and a half. And i couldn't put it down and it so upset me and really and i go back and i think about what was done to you and how long you spent in prison. How long were you in prison. I was i was sentenced. Sadie eight months of ultimately served five years Came out with a new in criminal. Justice reform play this before our time runs out. I am pleased that we're moving forward with this. George floyd act to justice reform. But the waiter fix this. we've got. We've got to allow a lawyer for the families of victims of excessive use of force by police. A lawyer to be in the grand jury as because prosecutors present can knowingly and willingly present false evidence or testimony or withhold exculpatory evidence. There is no guarantee that any grand jury where a policeman is the target of the grand jury that the prosecutor is going to present bodycam video for example. They don't have to present the all the way they can present whatever evidence they want so we need a lawyer for the family in the grand jury. That's a great point. Because we've learned after the fact that the grand jury who heard the case about the the murder of brianna taylor in louisville kentucky they were never presented with any any prosecutorial information about the cops who actually killed her the only ones they heard any any evidence about was the cop who fired a bullet into the apartment next door and there was a charge filed there for like reckless endangerment or something but nothing about the cops who killed brianna taylor and then later we found out because they were never even presented any anything to to bring them up on charges so with if brianna taylor's family had a representative in the room. This would've that couldn't have happened. Is that what you're saying that we brought to light. Let me mention one other thing that most of your listeners probably not going to know and that is in grand. Juries one questions who the grand jurors are looking all for example they could all have been related to members of the police department and brianna taylor's guy so they have been members of the klu klux klan for that matter. No one no one for dyers like they do in a civil or criminal trial. The jurors racially balanced or that. They're not prejudiced in some way. Or another wow. I did not know that. So thank you for letting us know. So yes there are so many things that need to be fixed and you know obviously right. Now we're talking about a seems like an epidemic where people of color mostly black men but women and in some cases like we just saw video of an seventy three year old eighty pound white woman. Who was brutalized by police in loveland colorado police need to. I think they all need to be fired. Trained and rehired the ones who are worthy of the job. I think too many of them are there high on the power something that they have give. They've been given authority that they do have not earned and they don't deserve well. We have a better better policing better policies more better laws and we've got elect politicians who care and want to make a difference and i think we have in joe bud you know. I think that people were after trump. Were looking for someone who was both the civil and coast to as a role model for our kids. Someone who respected the rights of women someone who understood the importance of free press someone sense of history and someone who is going to pursue justice and that was Equal justice social justice racial justice environmental justice and criminal justice reform. And we've got that now in joe biden and kamala harris. I think so too. And i think we're on the right track. I'm happy with it. But i still you know i was. I was heartened to see. Today that the feds went into raid rudy giuliani's apartment and place of business and they also went after went to victoria. Tensing and joe degen of ass- apartment to so they're not leading the crimes of the trump administration. Just go obviously. There's there's an active investigation there. I have to ask you the question because it was one that i posed earlier. I was thinking about the story. And there's a term a pardon my french but a term called rat fucking which is known as political dirty tricks. Obviously karl rove was guilty of that. He was the big one during the bush administration. Who's who's the one is. A carl rover roger stone and steve. Dan in the rudy giuliani and the people. Trump surrounded himself with the go. What what has happened because we did. Not hold karl rove accountable his clones. Google put in place for inspired by the fact that he was able you know he started out with with richard nixon. The dirty tricks apartment of dancer grow the. That's right. I wouldn't call rove was involved of through ralph reed and grover norquist's in the demise of gray davis and i wouldn't be surprised if his fingerprints are on the current definition. Wow i wouldn't be surprised either. This stuff goes on and and you're right the fact that nothing was done about this is also what angers me the fact that they could do this to you. A very popular sitting governor in a southern state. Nobody came to your rescue. Nobody from the party said wait a minute they targeted this guy. What he did first of all the thing that they got you on was a contribution for a state lottery. Which i understand now. What twenty two years later or something or almost twenty years later is is just past the alabama senate again and they're waiting for the house to pass it that where they are now on a new lottery with the contribution that they alleged was a bribe was from a man who served on a nonpaying board. I was the fourth governor in a row to appoint the guy to the same board and served all. He didn't want to jog again right. There was no allegation that i benefited by cycle penny. You'll have the distinction. According to the eleventh circuit of being the only person public official ever sent to prison Under these circumstances but be that as it. May you know we've got to. We've got to change our justice system to protect the innocent. And to hold the guilty accountable. So i'm looking forward to playing my role. Oh by the way. I got my license return. They voted the bar. Association voted unanimously to return to give me my license back so this week. I was able to put down in my desk drawer. So that's another step in the right direction. Well i'm glad because it should have been done years ago. It should have never been taken away. But there's that that old adage too little too late. I'm really angry at this party. For not not coming to your rescue if you can be allowed to languish in jail for five years for not committing a crime just being a target of karl rove in the republicans they did open the door for donald trump to let a roger stone keep doing his dirty tricks to let steve bannon and the rest of them dealer stephen miller oh my god these just horrible sorry excuses for human beings to perpetrate their ill will on our nation and i. I'm angry at barack obama that he left office and didn't pardon you. What did you have. Have you ever spoken to anybody about that. The other thing bill. The piece of this is a hundred thirteen former state attorneys general from around the country. Lots of them. Republicans lots of democrats road to president. obama and and called on him to issue a pardon but anyway nothing was done and i'm i'm out. I'm pushing for a criminal justice reform starting with its. You know straightening out in holding police accountable for their excessive use of force against blacks in this country is just got to come to an end it. Does i see that you don't want to go there. I'll do it when you're not on the air with me. Because i'm i'm angry about it and there was no excuse for that. I'm sorry and if i ever get the chance to interview barack obama you know that's going to be one of my first questions because it's built up in me for years it just but so don siegelman have you had any contact with the biden administration. So president biden a the sixteenth street baptist church. The african american church for young girls were killed Shortly after george. Wallace raise the confederate battle flag over the capitol in nineteen sixty three. But anyway i had a chance to speak with him. Personally there and i'll have been in touch with a couple of folks in his policy office and i'll tell you that he's got some very good sharp. Caring committed people working for him. So i'm i'm proud of the quality and commitment of the people that he has on stuff. Well good. I'm glad to hear that and i agree. He's he as opposed to the former guy who said only the best people biden's actually surrounding himself with mostly good people. There are a few. I take exception to but hey nobody is going to be one hundred percent in lockstep with me so i understand that. I'm willing to compromise on certain things you mentioned. You are now in working in in criminal justice reform. are you anything in the state of alabama. I wanna go back. Why are you still in alabama well but my dog is here so i'm here got actually. We just got a little chocolate lab up. We're this is. This is for the for the moment. But yes i've been. I've been working quietly behind the scenes in the deep red republican. State trying to impact Criminal justice reform And there are there are some republicans who are also at work trying to do the same thing. So i am cautiously optimistic. This some good things hopefully will happen. I hope so. I'm glad you have your law license again. Would you ever go back to practicing. I mean you've had a big gap in there but but it's not like you ever stopped doing the research in the work. Well what i hope to do have docked on justice as soon as possible volunteering to work with the lawyers on jury selection or a criminal defense issues where i feel the state or the united states since on in the wrong direction so You know a hotel leaving an imprint there and again the the key for me right now is having having gone through all this if one is to find a pro there's purpose in everything or one is to found a purpose and everything that happens. They my purpose now is to him. Background justice reform. And so that's why the dutch with the biden administration. I'm trying to Make my way into the this new george floyd act because i think there there's some is a good step but there are some gaps there as well. What do they what is the answer. What do we do about this. Seeming epidemic of police violence against mostly black men but not only black men. It's a power trip. I think it. What do you do about it. How do you fix this. Well i think again. Because i think it starts holding police accountable and thank you do that about by repealing the immunity given to prosecutors in the investigators and the federal towards claims that in one thousand nine hundred seventy six supreme court in something called the case gave prosecutors unlimited protection from civil liability So that they can present. It's also evidence testimony or withholding scalpels jury in order to get into dighton conviction. I think president biden's should step forward one in repudiate that in an executive order and secondly till his attorney general that while president Prosecutors and investigators may not be sued civilly for doing those kinds of willful withholding oriented falls out. If they are to have done so they will be fired. Think they need to make it clear to the fbi and other agencies and to prosecutors that if they misbehave and think they can get away with framing an innocent citizen through false testimony or evidence. They're going to be fired. So there's some pros and biden. Ken do through an executive order. That will make a difference right. But what one thing that we've discovered that we we kinda new but now we're seeing it in black and white is how these officers these defending officers lie. They lie on the police report. In the case of george floyd we saw the press release issued about. He had a medical Incident and then later died at the hospital. Not a word about holding them down in the knee on the neck or any of that stuff which we would never have known about if not for that brave young woman who videotaped it by the same token and this is a totally separate and different thing just past the ten year anniversary of my arrest at a town hall meeting for trying to ask my then congressman a question and the only reason i bring this up is because that officer lied on my arrest report as well. He said that. I got physical with him and that i pushed him. The truth is and it's on videotape. He pushed me. Numerous times. And i finally elden amazon. Get your hands off me. That's when he put me under arrest but they lie with such impunity and it seems like it's just common procedure they lied. They make up what they wanna make up and put on the arrest report. How do we change that again. I think if if if we're going we got a whole we've got to start holding people accountable. We've got a repeal. The immunity gave We've got to have a lawyer present for the for the person who has charged in the grand jury as a check on truth to jug albums by the prosecution or to present evidence of their own such bodycam video or other videos that the grand jurors would not see otherwise. Keep in mind. In many cases prosecutors police and judges see themselves as playing on the same team. They see themselves. As being part of the government's team well smooth prosecutors frequently cover for police and you know the the. We have seen tragically that the deaths of box at the hands of excessive use of force by police is seemingly usual happening all the time holding them accountable as was done with derek. Chauvin is is an anomaly. Right so we. We've got to straighten that out and the way to do that is through some of the ways that i just mentioned. Gotcha i want to ask you a bit about alabama politics Last year the state did not reelect doug jones who who plays a part in your book and if people get the audio book they'll hear doug jones who is just starting out but was was was part of the story he was the senator for one term and now he was beaten by. Tommy toubon ville Watch a hell what we've gone the way of gone from some some great representatives who are in their own right You know the civil libertarians and cared about people They were somewhat constrained by by voters but they generally found a way even during the sixties to try to do the right thing to now. We've got You know a film in congress. Saying we've got another one that tempting than dummy bill right so mo brooks is now going to run for richard shelby seat. And we could wind up with no brooks tommy tucker. Would you ever run for office again. don siegelman. Well it's given the the makeup of the alabama. And i don't think i was. I was the last democrats standing in alabama and probably the Well as you mentioned the only one do all those before top offices. So i'm i'm happy with that and you never say never probably probably because it's a it's a different world than it was twenty years ago right. I mean very different in many ways. That's really sad. Do do you have any contacts dylan state government or you just kind of doing your own thing. Well i do do for some republican friends. Who are in in. I have of course democratic friends and members of the house and senate but And i'm again. I'm quietly trying to have an impact. Where can but It's difficult in this in this climate and of course with donald trump still on the loose There's a lot of pandering to the public Saw him elected officials. And that makes it difficult to to have the kind of impact on for example criminal justice program red state like alabama. The republicans are meeting. This week i guess last weekend and the week in in orlando and there was another gathering somewhere else of the republican senatorial committee or whatever they're still pandering to donald trump. Do you think that the republican party is going to survive. Because the last thing. I read a something said there's twenty. Five percent of adults will identify self. Identify as a republican. Do you think they can survive this especially now we see giuliani and the other people being rated. Hopefully there's investigations going on and they will be held accountable for what they did to this country can the can the republican party survive this. I think they will survive. I'm not sure how they will emerge and let's hope it's not in the in the shape of a trump. But you know we've got people like hawley and ted cruz out from texas and brian. Kelly from georgia. I mean they're they're doing. They're exhibiting some horrible traits and again. I think it's all pandering to the base and you know but we have to hope that that dissipates quickly right. My only concern of the republican party not surviving is that more of them will come over to the democratic party and try to pull us further to the right which is not what we need right now. They screwed up their own party. We don't need them screwing up ours where we're finally moving in the right direction so You know let them let them deal with their own. Mess don siegelman. It's always it's always great to hear from you and you know you always have an open invitation here anytime. The book is available and now the audio book is out stealing our democracy by don siegelman. Read by don siegelman. So get i mean just hearing. I read the book and a hear your voice in it hearing you tell what happened. I'm sure as just another adds another dimension to it. Thank you for sharing your story with us and again on behalf of the american people. I'm so sorry that this was allowed to happen to you. It shouldn't take you great to be with you. Look back sometime me to anytime great to talk to you. Thank you so much but by all right. Don't forget tonight. Joe biden first address to a joint session of congress. Not quite the state of the union. It'll be a address of a different kind because everything is different. We'll see how it plays out what's most important is what he says. And i think most people are going to be happy with it and we'll talk about it tomorrow. Tomorrow's thursday howie. Klein will be here but we'll also run through the speech. So if you miss anything. I'll try to have the important parts for you. All right as always thank you for listening. Everyone see tomorrow. Keep the faith and vaccinated by i. It's time for new sandler's what's news from nicole sandler dot com and the progressive voices network president. Joe biden will mark the eve of his one hundredth day in office with his first address before a joint session of congress nine pm eastern wednesday night for the first time ever to women will sit behind the president who will also for the first time. Say the words madam vice president as he begins his speech. The president will introduce the american families. Plan that's a one point eight trillion dollar bundle of proposals that includes four more years of free education universal preschool for three and four year olds and two years of free community college. It would also provide additional assistance to low income students by increasing pell grants and also provide direct support children and families and extend the tax cuts under the american rescue plan that benefit lower and middle income workers and families. There's a lot more for instance. The american families plan will also extend the expanded health insurance tax credits. Those credits are providing premium relief. That's lowering health insurance costs by an average of fifty dollars per person per month for nine million people. It'll also enable four million more uninsured people to gain coverage the plan would also create a national comprehensive paid family and medical leave program and will ensure workers get three days of bereavement leave per year. Starting in year one it will also reform our broken unemployment insurance system it would extend the child tax credit increase in the american rescue plan through twenty twenty-five and make the child tax credit permanently fully refundable. It is ambitious. It would be paid for by increasing the top tax rate and capital gains tax and by cracking down on irs enforcement of tax evaders. Of course president biden will touted the great progress made in the last one hundred days in the fight against covid and four vaccinations as well as the aarp and. Oh yeah jackson. The male only two hundred invited guests will be in attendance due to covid restrictions. Republican senator tim. Scott of south carolina will deliver the republican response and jamaal bowman. The freshman congressman from new york will deliver a progressive responses well democratic congresswoman ilhan omar is reintroducing three policing bills. She hopes will end up. In the bipartisan packaged. Lawmakers have been fine tuning for weeks as pressure mounts to pass meaningful police reform legislation. The most significant of these bills would establish an independent federal agency to investigate deaths in police custody officer involved shootings and usa force that results in severe bodily injury. Meanwhile incidence of non lethal use of force are getting more attention like in a federal civil lawsuit filed against four officers north carolina alleging that they grabbed a black woman by her hair and pulled her out of her. Suv during a traffic stop in new jersey. Two officers are facing civil. Rights charges for allegedly assaulting an arab teenager and then lying about that on a police report and on and on it goes on tuesday. The fbi confirmed that it was launching a civil rights investigation into the killing of andrew brown. Junior forty two year old black man killed by sheriff's deputies in pascua tank county north carolina. His family's attorney said that a private autopsy showed that a deputy fired a quote. Kill shot to the back of the head as brown sat in his car outside his home in elizabeth city. Shortly after deputies arrived to serve search and arrest warrants connected to felony drug charges attorneys and local officials also called for the release of more bodycam video after the family was allowed to see just a twenty second clip on monday and a keeps happening. This time police. In alameda california. Released footage of the events leading to the death of mario gonzalez. He's a twenty six year old latino man who died after officers knelt on his back and shoulder until he became unresponsive. The video contradicts officials original account of the confrontation. Three officers involved have been placed on administrative leave. President biden is nominated the sheriff of harris county texas and outspoken critic of the trump administration's immigration policies to be director of ice immigration and customs enforcement. Ed gonzalez was a houston police officer for nearly twenty years. He's been the sheriff of one of the nation's most populous and most diverse counties since twenty. Sixteen he publicly criticized. Trump's policies during the former guys term for focusing on who did not pose public safety threats. Ice has not had a director confirmed by the senate since twenty. Seventeen all right. Here's what those of us who are vaccinated have been waiting for the cdc on tuesday revised its guidance on coronavirus precautions saying that those who've been fully vaccinated can safely go without masks when walking jogging or cycling outdoors or win dining with friends and family had outdoor restaurants. The new recommendations apply starting two weeks after people received their final dose of an approved corona virus vaccine. The change came after rising pressure on public health authorities to relax mask mandates for people who are outside where social distancing easier and breezes quickly disperse airborne venus particles more than fifty two percent of eligible people have received at least one dose the. Cdc has released new outdoor mask guidance saying fully vaccinated people can forgo face coverings at small outdoor gatherings or when dining outside with friends from multiple households unvaccinated. People according to the cdc should still wear masks for such events and even fully vaccinated people should take similar precautions. In larger denser outdoor settings president biden touted the new guidelines as a reason all americans should get vaccinated another day. Another mass shooting one woman was killed and a three month. Old baby was left in serious condition after an unidentified gunmen opened fire on a group of children in richmond virginia on tuesday evening. According to the police chief the shooter fire on the group outside an apartment complex before someone else returned. Fire and the gunmen fled. The victims are believed to include the baby and two adult women. One of whom has died. The shooter is still on the run. Police are appealing for information. And i wonder what the president will say about guns in tonight's speech while the popularity of the united states has improved significantly among several us allies since president biden entered the white house. This according to a morning consult survey released tuesday. The most dramatic swing took place in germany on january twentieth. Only twenty four percent of germans view the us favorably two months later. That number increased to forty six percent australia. Canada france italy japan spain and the uk all saw double digit jumps as well while mexico registered an eight percent increase among the fourteen nations surveyed. Only china reported a notable downward trend. Though it's possible that would have happened. Regardless considering these state of affairs between washington and beijing biden has made a point of telling other countries. America is back and that's just a bit of what's news for now. I'm nicole sandler if you're appreciate these reports and the nicole sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported. I can't do it without your help. Find out more nicole. Sandler dot com. Please click on that donate button.
Like drinking from a firehose: Jeff Greenfield on the week in historic headlines
"A whistle blower has turned Washington upside down and has changed American politics in just the span of a few the day's how's the press stepping up for this moment and what might happen next. Welcome to this week's reliable sources podcast. I'm Brian stelter. Turn we use this weekly podcast to go in depth with media leaders and newsmakers talking about how the news gets made and how all of us can help shape it and make it better and this has been an extraordinary week of news. We are recording this on Friday. September twenty seventh just a couple of weeks ago on television. I said the Democrats are losing the impeachment messaging wars. The president trump is winning. The Democrats don't seem to have a strategy or plan but then and this whistleblower story erupted and every day this week. We've been bombarded by news. It's like drinking from a fire hose and I have the perfect person with to try to process it trying to make sense of it and make sense of how this news environment effects something like an impeachment inquiry. Jeff Greenfield is with the war winning political analyst. He's endured two rounds of presidential impeachment proceedings in the past as a television journalist working out for almost all the major networks including CNN for many years Jeff. Thank you so much for joining me. Okay always a pleasure to be with you Brian. You're a calm Tom. Voice amidst the Salamis of needy out with the signal last week still relatively high with you. Oh Gosh well thank you I I don't. I don't always feel very com but I'm glad to hear it. I have this sense that maybe viewers and readers heads are spinning right now at the end of this week you know there. Was this impression impression that the Democrats were were were far from impeaching trump. The net simplicity was reluctant to go forward and that was just like four days ago. How do you make sense of this week. Well look shocking to people who believe email created leaks universe. Real events often have an impact the the whole Watergate story really began when one of the Watergate Erc was read a letter in open court saying you know there are other people involved in this judge Ceriga than said we'd better get we find out who beside these original burgers may have been involved so in this case as what you had in the midst in the midst of a whole bunch of different approaches to what's impeachable. There really was collusion. It is taxes It's the the payoff to the mistresses. It's the lies about how he got rich. Whatever it's him and Putin sudden you had a a very clear clear understandable assertion by someone whose credibility was was vetted by one of Donald Trump's own appointees namely the director of National National Intelligence who said the president pressured the president of a country another country to help uh-huh pin- politically at the risk of perhaps risking desperately needed military. That's a simple understandable of assertion that goes to the heart of what the president's supposed to do not do and because it involved a urgent urgent matter of foreign policy it rattled rattled a lot of the Republicans no we didn't have a lockstep defense of the president because of the assertion is true he was he was playing with the future of Ukraine threatened in by Russian militarised saying you may not give you the selenium she helped me politically and so I think the clarity of what was asserted. an in nature was asserted was a big reason why things change pretty quickly. What did it feel like to you as someone who has seen it all so recipe fail like to you in one cents a because of the last three years ahead reaction. Oh Oh yeah why not at this point Ryan if an alien spacecraft landed and some people getting out of the space fresh said for the sake of the survival of the planet. You really need to change presidents. I'm not sure I'd be surprised I just I said. A couple of times talks that I feel like somebody who's been a commercial airline pilot. All is like an today about to take off the control control tower said by the way you should know the love gravity has been suspended. You know this is not normal. Thing is so much a part of what we've all been living through data that in one sense this may not be surprised if we look we certainly had stories from inside the administration of discontent and concern and bafflement excellent at how the president behaves. It's just this one appears to shaken people inside the administration in a way that even things like like how he dealt with president crucial didn't it was different qualitatively thing as I said because of the of the jaw dropping nature ager of what the president did on this phone call in for what reason it does seem to have shaken people inside the White House if this whistle blowers to be believed there our multiple officials who were sharing information with them about what happened and yet those others have not gone public. They don't appear to have filed their own whistle. Blower complaints planes. I look at this and I see some timidity or probably stronger than that you know about White House Zaid's who are not willing to stand up and say something is going wrong here it kind of extraordinary. This is the first time we've had a complaint about president trump and remember you know your I think often one of those people wanna see cautioning against a rush to judgment right so we're talking about something. That's what three days old so it may be. This is the sort of story that evolves over time and it all doesn't happening. Warn Sudden Rush you have had I say it's fair to say less unanimity among Republicans in Congress in in the media that in the past you have had not just knit wildly but a couple of other senators and a couple of Congress people in a house aide. This bothers me. I'm worried about this. You've had a kind of civil war going on at Fox News. It's intensified over this so I just don't think we can draw conclusions so how this evolves based on the last seventy two hours that is interesting point. You're saying the the response from Republicans is actually more muted than maybe it would the expected that there isn't as much of a staunch defense of trump as might be expected because there have been some defenders there certainly have been figures on Fox that are defending him no matter what but you're saying that we should notice the relative lack of support that there's not stronger support him on the Republicans yeah. I'm this is in no way of prediction. I just noted that there were there were more people on the Republican side of things going on. This is bothersome you yesterday a at the at the hearing with deny one of the Republican congressman on his way to sort of trying to say kind things about the president said you know this phone. Call was not okay. You've had to me you've had you've had a couple of others. shaking your heads and this we're we're. We're at the beginning of this stage of the process. There are so many things we don't know about you know how do the Democrats Kratz in the House intended to do this of other really going to funnel everything to the House Judiciary Committee which is one of the most polarized committees in Congress. It has opposed to for instance the idea of select committee which is what Ca- generation or two we'll go. The Democrats in the Senate did Formula Seven Person Committee composed centrists centrists non ideologues Do we have a media. This is your department to have a media universe that would permit a kind of slow unfolding of facts or are we as you use a much used analogy. Are we just going to spend the next couple of months straight out of the fire hose. It's just uh it's unclear. All I'm saying is this feels different because there are people on the Republican side of things who seem genuinely unwillingly bothered by what the president did on substantive grounds once again for additional Republican approach to foreign policy one a muscular foreign policy you want the United States h. Defend allies against threats. Here's Ukraine threatened by Russia and the president seems to have put military aid on hold and waiting to see whether or not Ukraine would cooperate with his political desires that is that is at the root. That's about as basic question question about presidential behaviors you can get. Is there any alternative to drinking from the fire hose. Do you see any way to avoid that or to have to have an alternative as we go through this impeachment process sort of doing a piece of political critical about the concept of alternate universes so there might be an alternate universe where we would proceed slowly in dispassionately but it occurred to me aren't made this point. Maybe before you even if you go back to. Watergate rain once Walter Cronkite and company signed off at seven thirty on the east go. S- back then the next news you got was when the morning paper hit your door you could watch. PBS replay the Watergate hearings but basically that was it we we did not immediately switch to five hours of frenetic analysis or opinion making we did not have a bombardment of of social media in tweets until the whole process of unfolding story of finding out what happened was much deliver to face again. This is your turf Warren but you tell me whether using the modern media universe would permit that kind of a stately crosses the idea that the news turns off is is something that's not imaginable anymore unless people go out of their way to turn it off you. Only it only stops if you force it to stop but that's an individual decision need back then. If you no matter how hungry you were for news you know Walter Cronkite said that's the way it is and that was it so in that in that universe ending the political universe I or how many people in the congress spend more of their time trying to figure out how to get on their favorite cable lose network been doing the business of say legislating legislation or honest to God investigating look. I mean this by the way in a in a bipartisan way how many Democrats already call not for inquiry but for impeachment any Cam Democrats of Eight Hundred Fifty Democrats when you've oppressiveness have we got to impeach the Scott now that's not they're not saying we we'd better get to the root of it like some. Biden's that but just in lots impatient on the other side you think about that House Judiciary Committee Republicans on like Louis Goal Nair Air and Jim Jordan and Matthew gets and Doug Collins. We think they're going to say we will not let she was. The president really may have overstepped aligning fear. Is that is that anybody thinks that's the process. We're going to be going through. I don't well so far. How so how does this compare in your mind to the Clinton years or the Nixon years. How does it feel let's talk about the the Clinton years because because because I was in the midst of actually covering that story and what I think we saw was a more slightly were civilized way a of people go into their respective corners on once said that the CNN should not we didn't need to any guests we should just have sock puppets because everybody was saying the second thing he lied under oath. Abbott it was about a private matter but no man is a bubble of trying to overturn the election but it's important to remember member that that that back then even though the ultimate votes were highly parts were five. Democrats that voted to impeach speech in the House and they were all like southern Democrats in nothing Muslim ceased to Become Democrats. I think there were some where depending on account five or dozen Republicans who voted against against impeachment so the votes were partisan but the process was less poisonous. The process was more yeah but because we were less polarized country because the identification of party as almost tribal religions was less lesson grade and so what you had was an also he issue if you think about it whatever you think about the President President Clinton his behavior you know debating whether or not the president's going to be removed from office leasing lied about being sexually pleasure by intern isn't quite the same thing as is is this president subordinating American foreign policy to Russia or to his own political fortunes. It's a it's a more it's a much more serious creed of process than I think it was even even twenty years ago and either Watergate comparisons trying to go back in time to the to the other impeachment. the people know about is it. Is it even possible I mean. Is it a waste of time to try to compare what's going on now to the seventies or the nineties given how much has changed in our media and politics. It's it's it's a waste of time. Provided realizes analyzes just how totally different things were in the Watergate written about this before and I consider the both houses of Congress were heavily dominated by Democrats. The Senate Watergate Committee was a model of non ideological combat. You know that the chair was a conservative -servative. Democrats and Arben who a constitutional expert the highest ranking Republican was Howard Baker a moderate Republican. There was Lowell Weicker a liberal Republican Herman Germantown legit conservative Democrat so the process of trying to find out what happened was lunch. Walk honored back in also so you also had a media that was much more homogeneous. There was no Fox News there was no Breitbart and the media to be sure was more than anxious more than how happy to explore the potential wrongdoings of Richard Nixon was not a media favorite so there was no counterweight. It was not nightly on onslaught on a the equivalent of Fox News saying you know this is an attempt to overturn the election. Democrats did the same thing back when they had power Palo Mum so the the difference in the in the political immediate universe between then and now was is incredibly star. I don't know if there had been the equivalent of a Fox News and Democrats Republicans have had looking for Publicans that had the Senate Senate. It's possible with Nixon might survive this even though a lot of the Republicans back in action so I think what you learn in looking at the Watergate situation. It's just out inappropriate or inaccurate or yeah. I'm sorry I'm stumbling awards but how you can't fit the Watergate model into today it really can't you know his parents of Ernestine and John Dean Dino Yeah on on what they may. I have to say about this but to try to analogize to Watergate. It seems to me to be wrongheaded. There's something incredible about the diversity of media media now versus twenty or forty years ago but there's also something I find I find so sad knowing that we're going to be locked into these two alternative universes purses and that the facts will will appear so different in those two universes. There's a sadness that comes from knowing that this is going to cause even more division in hate the only the only in one of the alternate universes somehow or other. Um Yeah I think this is beyond possibility. Now you wonder if Speaker Pelosi decided to form a small select committee rather even having six different committees and all their information to judicial would the Republican leadership in the house cooperate. We need one of the things that's happened happened the midterms in two thousand eighteen a lot of the more moderate. Republicans were undefeated so what's left is a Republican Caucus. That is even more more ideologically homogeneous than it was in. It's very hard for me to imagine that the Republican Caucus would permit on its leadership to see let's try to let's try to come to the heart of this. Let's let's try to really find out what happened and appointed select committee with the least partisan members of each party together. I think that's a fantasy. I just don't see how that happens. You also have on the Democratic side of the Progressive Caucus. That basically has already said let's impeach the guy and can and will regard any attempt to kind of cool. The brakes put the brakes on as a senator so as a result there. There's no way to have a process that will not be politically polarizing painful. Is that what you're saying yeah. I here's again. I'll give you one other alternate universe a whole bunch of people who served in the trump administration like master Mattis Tillerson I'm not sure I don't maybe Bolton but a bunch of say it's time for us to level and tell you that this president has to be removed that he he's a he's a danger to the American Republic easies. Just he doesn't know what he's doing is three whatever it is. If you could imagine such an event we're at that point the Republican leadership in the House and Senate says okay you know this is now matter of beyond even politics Let's let's send a whole bunch member in you know the story how in Watergate it last as a bunch of Republican senators went up to the White House told Nixon he had to leave so I suppose under those circumstances you could imagine I don't know Sean Hannity Laura Ingram Roman Geraldo Rivera Lou Dobbs and Rudy Giuliani Lena sorry Mr President you have to go but I do think that's in the fantasy. 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Maybe this on Friday September twenty seventh and I'm talking with Jeff Greenfield renowned put analysts we've been talking about Fox and the right wing media among other things and and that's something that it has been notable this week jeff to see anchors shop Smith and commentators like Judge Napolitano on Fox talk about the possible crimes that that have been identified here and then on the other hand pretty much the rest of the Fox lineup stars like Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity mocking the ships miss of the world swearing there aren't any crimes you know you have these alternate universes right within one channel when it comes to Fox yeah now ships and for swallows among others for some time been very different from the prime time advocates they've been and I think in this case we've just seen battling out more because we have almost kind of verbal sparring match between Smith and Andrew Napolitano who said the presence presents committed a crime and Laura Ingram Joseph degen of only other who said now they're all crazy the the one that I think I've been keeping an eye on for a while as drug because drugs was for quite a while very reliable transmission bill for pro source he began a while ago hosting esteem stuff on his front page questioning how strong the economy was in the last few days. The front page has been filled with stories that are critical trump that that raise questions about whether in fact he was behaving in a unpresidential way and I don't know whether that's simply gently a case of him wanting to get out in front impeachment which is what made his reputation during the Clinton Europe right or whether it's a sign that that what what trump tom has been doing a has rattled somebody who was more inclined to support and that's look in some way run. This is an old story from the days as of the campaign itself when trump I ran the question was was the center of the Republican Party of prepared to reject him as a hostile element or was he. GonNa Conquer it and Beneton his will. That's been the case from the time he started running. he has remained the Republican party he has violated many of their most cherished beliefs about free trade deficit and foreign policy and they'd gone annalong part because he has won over the base of the Republican Party and so the question is again. It's kind of like what we talked about earlier. Whether the comments Senator Ron Johnson senator SAS and others are just worn off so whether they in suggests that something slowly may be changing that the the kind of reflection circle the wagons remember this is our guy may not Rena fully survive of this latest story. We've seen this in Robinson. You'll know this place out but I just found that I found the drugs response to this worthy of a look at least and it gets your broader utter point about Republicans and how they are responding or or in some cases just not reacting not commenting. There's been this wide range of responses with some pro-trump kind of social media stars and celebrities on Fox swearing that the president is the hero and has done nothing wrong and finding finding ways to bend over backwards support him but yes you're right. There has been in other parts of Republican Party in the media. A much more muted response. Maybe an old fashioned thing they actually waiting for more facts what an old fashioned idea or at least waiting for the public opinion polls. It's not one of the one of the questions is whether or not the public which seems to have been until recently sceptical sceptical if not hostile about impeachment is going to change. Its mind nerve some numbers but you know how in this is. This is a basic jason belief of mine. The polls have long become the crack cocaine of journalists and it's probably a good idea not to not aggressively wait for every new number but I I have a feeling that some of these Republicans got their fingers in the wind seen whether or not there's some kind of sea change come about how the public regards trump and impeachment on look this president has uniquely Lou in pretty much in the same place in the polls as he has been from the beginning of this compound little change incredible and we just don't know whether this event is going to be different so you know as the president links to save Ryan. Let's see let's see what happens. Is it fair to say that no matter what happens this will be a trauma a national trauma Emma. You're seeing Democrats like Joe. Biden say this is a tragedy Nancy Pelosi saying that take no joy in this and then you get some liberal commentators saying oh come on. This is a great thing you know. This is not a tragedy at all. Where do you come down on that. Will I remember back in Watergate. Michael Kinsley Berry was observer server said the same thing so you kidding of course I'm enjoying this. I you know next Mile Hyphen these in trouble and I'm delighted which has the advantage of at least candor you know one of the possibilities and I think maybe one of the possibilities that would help trump is if the the country at large the middle not the not the partisans come to see this as just Chakra fifty of another example of endless noise coming out of Washington nothing getting don just a just a mug fight between two equally this likable sources and so that's one possibility depending on on on how sprays out the possibility of again the middle of the country getting an education in just what it is about this story that it's so disturbing that's another possibility but as we've talked about given the frenetic nature of how media or delivered absorb. I just don't know how that happens. I know people will try. You know it's not it's not that the that the news media making effort to spell this out to the New York Times today at the entire whistle blower complaint Mike question but I mean then the inside the whole thank but how many people do we think we'll say you know. I think I'll take the next the hour so read through with this is I just I just I don't know to what extent people have already chosen up sides to the extent that as they watch this play out. It'll be like watching you know the major. Julie Playoffs depending on whether you're for you know Houston or the dodgers or the Yankees or whatever into everything gets affected through the frame of the good for my guy bad for my dun rite. I'm just packers game yesterday and I'm watching as an eagles fan and nobody watching an NFL game. Nobody watching a baseball about a matter that no one's going to change sides met game. Nobody there's no that's right. There is no eagle than with things pass. Interference correctly called against their defensive secondary degree. It doesn't matter how many replace us now if the guy had a length that's what fans are. That's why Fannie short for fanatic for the needs and I think that's what spilled over heavily women probably always who's there but certainly the politics. Is You you today that way it's. It's you know if the if the players were in my team's uniform. I'm form if he's not. He's an evil guy. I don't see how this I don't. I don't see where where this changes if anything I think this accelerated because now we're talking about whether or not a president's GonNa be impeached is one other quick thing I think we should we should note that de impeachment impeachment. I'm thinking about this back. In the Nixon was very very portend is thing in the people who even the people who voted for it. I think genuinely felt my God. What is she no. We're really GONNA do this by the time it got to. Clinton was much more ahead much less. Impact you know the Clinton was impeached. He was acquitted and wound up with higher. job approval ratings at the in the beginning so so there's that the whole idea of this is kind of a solemn moment in constitutional history. I think is going to be replaced Ari. WHO's up WHO's down. Who's WHO's losing well. This is going to be a challenge for for the country for politicians for journalists. Do you have any final awesome advice for the reporters for the for the commentators for the folks who are who are watching this every day. Take a breath. Take a breath bum you know I I think that applies if it's even possible to the political players players one of this came on the heels of that New York Times a book excerpt that suggested that there was another complaining witness against Brad Kavanagh having all and before before clarified to say by the way this person doesn't remember it and I think there were four candidates for the presidential nomination and the Democratic Party in call for impeachment I would hope that the president president and the people making judgments the people making would take a breath not always allowable you gotta get gotTa get that twitter feed out. Oh God I got an actual story but the sheer speed of this is not of this whole media world is not conducive to say wait a minute. Let's let's take a breath and see if we can actually figure out what happened to you. A menu were many journalists will do this but whether they will be overwhelmed by the rush to judgments right whether that high quality news and information and that well thought through well process information gets drowned out by the fire hoses. is a question Jeff Greenfield. Thank you so much for your next column on Politico Okay. We've been talking with Jeff Greenfield legal analyst you can find him on twitter at Greenfield sixty four on twitter and as I mentioned he has a column coming up on POLITICO DOT com. Thanks for joining us on this. Week's reliable sources podcast we will see you on T._v. This Sunday and every Sunday Eleven A._M. Eastern time on C._N._N. thanks for tuning in.
Another White House talking point goes poof
"Tonight on all end the Ukrainians did not know that the aid was being withheld another tortured White House talking point goes poof you can't have a quid pro quo with no quote tonight as the trump defenders spin out of control abuse of power is not a crime what we're learning about when you office the President of Ukraine as an incoming president even hosted meeting always back in May two weeks after being elected before he was even inaugurated defenses keep collapsing his political standing keeps deteriorating a new Quinnipiac poll finds that support for the impeachment increase reach new high with fifty five percent of the country good evening from New York I'm Chris as one by one sometimes hour by hour the president's defenses just keep collapsed cream oligarch funding their spree furnishes F. A. R. T. A. S. H. then the Kurdish reaction to the Gloria Steinem and Robin Morgan I think the president knows the argument that can be made against him and he's scared all in starts right now always a perfect call arguing it was perfectly appropriate for a president to coerce a besieged foreign entity into investigating his rivals so long as tobacco in Syria wow what a great outcome congratulations and how the most powerful woman in America is standing up to the president you to step in that position falls out from under their feet and so it goes over and over and over again it started with that infamous phone call between trump and Ukrainian president warning okay there may have been a quid pro quo but it was really incompetent one because we never told them we withholding aid which is a defense has no quid pro quo that was their line and then came Bill Taylor's testimony yesterday he's US chief of mission to Ukraine who made very clear there was a quid pro quo directed by the president is basically right there in the call taxed but Taylor's testimony appeared to establish it more or less definitively so then they moved the line again with trump effectively arguing interview and provide ammo for the president's baseless conspiracy theory about the two thousand sixteen election now it'd be sure the quid pro quo was already fairly clear majority backing the inquiry nearly half a registered voters forty eight percent already say that trump should be impeached and removed from office and then there's a situation here's how things have gone is the president and his allies have tried to defend the indefensible I they stick it out of position and that position of falls out from under their feet so they re I guess here's trump's tweet quoting what he republican congressman said on trump TV quote neither Taylor any other witnesses provided testimony of Ukrainians were wear the military it was being withheld you can't have a quid pro quo with no quo but it didn't take long for that one to collapse either just a short time after that very tweet where he asks for Military Assistance Ukrainian President and trump responds with quote I would like you to do us a favor though at first trump and company insisted the the New York Times with an alert on your phone reporting that Ukraine new of the aid freeze it by August which is the time notes completely undermines Senate according to the daily beast trump has been privately whining that Senate Republicans are quote failing to counter program the Democratic led house impeachment inquiry it is understandable defense there is your quo and by the way just a little while after that story came out the AP reported that the Ukrainian leader felt trump pressure before even taking you know what Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had to say yesterday told him that his phone call with the premium president and and the meeting focused on quote how to navigate the insistence from trump and his personal water rudy Giuliani for a probe into the Biden's as things with their hijinks but they couldn't stop it and then this ongoing and increasingly hysterical whining from Republicans about the process is born of impotence a public servant came forward she was ready to testify at ten in the morning and despite this stunt described she stuck around all day and when she dozens of Republicans in two thousand Eighteen and Democrats now represent a majority of Americans in that body of our government is becoming more and more clear that Republicans they aren't rallying to the president's defense as one senior Senate Republican aide told the daily beast they're not very enthusiastic about defending the indefensible on this stuff just today I don't WanNa talk about your colleagues I want to talk about what you learned today and yesterday did you actually were you able to get testimony today was we've heard now from witnesses describe that this is a matter of life and death for Ukrainians and if Americans are really offended and repulsed by what's happening with the slaughtering the constitution gives to the house and to the House alone the ability to impeach the President Democrats control the House because they decisively defeated you a bunch of them made a big show of storming the secure facility in the capital where impeachment investigators deposing witnesses we should note that some of these folks are on go to be sure trump still has plenty of Republicans sick fans in the house today in a truly pointless seemingly designed solely to generate content for trump TV foale and what's your reaction to what you heard yesterday good evening Chris and thank you for asking that because that's the most important thing that happened today was that Miss Cooper in hearing and trump appeared to be fully on board with their obstruction Bloomberg reporting the president had advanced knowledge and supported the stunt Republicans did manage to delay the procedure Ukraine when only get the desperately needed military aid the congress had already authorized if the Ukrainians agreed to manufacture dirt on trump's political rival in a televised you're making about this right now they seem undecided between no quid pro quo or there was a precaution or anything is fine so Washington Post and I think that statement in the post shows that indeed there was a shakedown scheme but it wasn't just a sharp straight line from donald trump to rudy Giuliani it should be noted that we passed in two thousand eighteen in Congress aid for the Ukrainians process was put in place for that aid to come to them and you see that it was also donald trump to ambassador sunlen so this goes all the way to the top with Donald trump it's not a rogue rudy you have Donald Trump with these directors committee's doing the investigating so they don't need to start on the proceedings because some were already allowed inside and had been inside before but they apparently wanted to put on a show asked she raise your right hand told the truth gave us new information that is helpful fills in our timeline and also just allows us to understand who was involved and not involved in the White House view this as fundamentally illegitimate I'm joined now by Democratic Congressman Eric Swallow of California member Intelligence Judiciary Committee's WHO's in that impeachment hearing the crime you have I mean the constitutional sort of abuse of power is not a crime abuse of power is not a crime what do you think of that defense don't have it so that in and of itself two points leverage fettes leverage and we also are starting to learn about the human cost of not having that nick downstream yesterday as you described and I think this in part motivated this effort by the Republicans to Obstruct Ambassador Taylor is read in the I think it's a fair question why are you doing this initial phase underground and I I should say one hundred twenty members of Congress have access to these hearings the Turks and the green light the president gave their they should equally be concerned that the president was leveraging this aid and Ukrainians could have benefited for medical aid that Richard Nixon faced and I don't think any of us want to look at our children and say I went to work today and decided that abuse of power is not a crime fighter he's trying to use your taxpayer dollars to extort the Ukrainians for his personal benefit do you think what is your understanding of the argument you're ways aid is binary in that as soon as passed and signed and law by the president the Ukrainians are waiting for it and every second that ticks that they don't have it they know that Russian what is the timeline here obviously the process complaints I think aren't pursued in good faith but there is some transparency argument that at some point this can't be behind this is no evidence Chris recent evidence in our investigation that witnesses are working together to try and coordinate but testimony that's exactly if he was in Russia if he was in China if he was in some other countries that I don't think we want to look like he may be right it is a crime it was one of the articles those doors the American people all of US Republicans Democrats citizens and journalists have to hear what's what's happening you're absolutely right in there will be a public face and I want to address I went through a hundred through nine eleven in the White House and the aftermath and a lot of tough decisions made afterwards and now the overwhelming majority of my Republican colleagues who come in in the morning and complain about the process they leave and they don't stick around I wish they would because they would be I think concerned by a special counsel as in Watergate as Clinton pitchman trial Attorney General Barr punted on this didn't want him investigate we're going to do that I close hold investigation to see what the Bill Clinton grappling with the issue of European Europe after the end of the Cold War they were acting in what they thought was the best interest of the about what they here but they have access to be there that is nearly a fourth more than a fourth of the Congress but Chris because no investigation was done Bush Obama administration's fairly senior levels I never saw a president act in his private political interest ever he was taken aback by that argument is apparently folks in the courtroom were I listened to that entire argument this morning is that a sitting president can't be investigated or indicted no matter what he does by state or by federal prosecutors and that's just inconsistent with pro quos part of foreign policy and really no you don't I served in the Clinton is under which the president of the United States abandoned his public duties for the sake of his private interests that's appalling and I've never seen anything like that there's about an hour of argument in front of the second circuit and throughout the argument the position taken by trump's lawyers was really pretty astounding obviously tree and they did not put their own partisan interests first choice there's a converging line just played Matt Whitaker Abuse of power on a crime the sort of and defense aid and they were dying because it was being held up for his personal political game I want to play you something the former Attorney General United States Matt Whitaker although he listen I'm a former prosecutor and what I know is this is a perfect time for preliminary hearing where you would say show assure evidence what fundamental view of this as illegitimate House Republicans who call it a coup and started today and then the trump trump's own lawyers in court today Okay Bill Taylor is an old friend and I found his testimony compelling and devastating he lays out the circumstances under sometimes pretty tough conditions sometimes they don't come home a little respect for the people who serve the nation to think that the president of the United States has so little understanding of the oath of office that we all take to defend the constitution and a little decency which seem not too much to ask from the president of the United States Joyce the through line here in both his con and that seems to be the terrain upon which this entire battle will be fought it is the terrain and the president seems to have so from your perch and from knowing many of the players involved just your reaction to what has been laid out over the last few days and particularly in Bill Taylor testimony next Rudy Giuliani a model inc. Ukrainian oligarch with Giuliani's indicted associates right in the middle the chain of truly sketchy characters keeps come of them what do you think about the president sort of suggesting political test or heard throughout the federal government it's appalling arguing against the Manhattan da being able to subpoena tax records going so far as to say that even if he shot someone fifth avenue he can't be prosecuted or even investigated the nation of having a rule of law country and this is the theme here I mean the inability to distinguish between the president's personal interests and public interests between what's good for the country and what's good for him let let me follow up on that I think there's an argument that they have tried to tried out which basically says Camman everyone does this everyone's corrupt and professor Joyce fans from US Attorney for the northern district of Alabama and MSNBC contributor also with former ambassador Poland Daniel free to serve as assistant secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs in two thousand and five to two thousand nine and that's free let me start with you as someone who has a long and sterling career in the Foreign Service and an American diplomacy influence in violation of law and I think it's fair to say reports indicate they are somewhat sketchy dudes they have been working closely with Rudy Giuliani traveling the remainder of the founding fathers George Washington what they were concerned with a president who deal a president who might be subverted by foreign powers that did this was sort of the peak moment peak trump right I could kill somebody and you still can't investigate me but the entire argument that they make is just reprehensible blue weeks ago the two pleaded not guilty in Manhattan Federal Court they've been charged with violating campaign finance law and conspiring to use foreign money to buy political you to explain why this is happening new episodes of why is this happening every Tuesday listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Their lawyer even made the case they couldn't come and testify before Congress because and I quote here Parnasse and Fruman assisted Mr Giuliani in connection with his representation of president trump. They're part of trump's legal team well today in court parnassus lawyer said his association with Juliani was so close get this ambassador freed in the president appearing today he called radical bureaucrats he blame them yesterday the president appearing to call political test for the Career Civil Service today he says it would be really great if the trump administration all well-meaning and good I hope could stop hiring never-trumpers who are worse than the do nothing Democrats nothing good will ever we want prevent and that's why this initial phase we're having it in a close old fashioned but it will be public soon the congressman Eric's well thanks for being with my pleasure longer left Parnasse and eager freeman go before a federal judge in two minutes hey it's Chris Hayes from MSNBC in the country as his own personal interest that one shudders to think what the founding fathers would make of it trump is precisely what Alexander Hamilton today in the latest adventures of live Parson Eager Fruman remember these are Rudy Giuliani's to a naturalized American citizens soviet-born business associates who were indicted our isn't to a political party it's not the president it's to the constitution Foreign Service officers I was one forty years serve abroad have the best interests of the country at heart this is exactly why they created impeachment as a remedy or a choice fans ambassador Daniel free thank you both very much you've served in terms of capacity and was challenged in court about whether he was actually attorney general this is what he said yesterday in apparently against defending the president a little heart attack there's power in Ukraine for Tasha's also tied to the Russian mob and I mean really tied to the Russian mob bill Taylor chief USGF emission all diplomatic cables saying for Tash had acknowledged ties to Russian mob boss any private needing the guy has ties to is known as the boss of bosses. You know every day I come to the office and we make television show and every day I think to myself there's so much more I want to talk about and so this is our podcast it's called why is this compare and innocent dealing President Renews We've got conversation on that subject opening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see Lee out every day they're driven by big ideas each week I sit down with a person uniquely I've been working for for for several months before Parnasse joined the Ukrainian moguls legal team in fact we learned from Washington Post that after consulting parnasse lawyers until they weren't these guys partisan firm in have overlapping get so they work with Giuliani and stuff for the president one of their gigs and they work with these two right wing conservative media star lawyers who defend the President TV but also are being paid by a mob linked oligarch in court that court case dollars as the Kremlin's man running all the natural gas in Ukraine and controlling the flow said natural grass in one of the ways is one of the ways by which Russia controls who had the FBI says he is quote involved in weapons trafficking contract murders extortion drug trafficking and prostitution on an international scale Oh and Dimitri Chicago in two thousand thirteen for bribery bribing an Indian for access to titanium minds and ever since Russian mob world and now they're working with Rudy Giuliani the president's lawyer what is going on here joining now a reporter who broke the story that Giuliani was paid crain who unloaded detailed testimony revealing trump's Ukraine quid pro quo the Washington Post reports that back in two thousand and ten when Taylor was ambassador Ukraine has first time around he wrote an in stuck in Ukraine and what we're learning and in those comments there that are talking about it and even in the president's defense is precisely that idea that the nation is trump and trump is the nation with wild to take a second new explain that person is his name is Dmitri for Tosh and he is a big deal he's the guy who made hundreds of millions of exam and we are source told us he was he was backing them financially enabling them to do what they were doing they were they were obviously himself I shouldn't overlook has also been indicted in American Federal Court for bribery he's right now in Vienna fighting extradition and millions because somebody some financial support later for backing backing from and he was paying them money paying their expenses as they were running this partly running this about these gentlemen they were up to a lot of other businesses they were gonNA start a marijuana business in Nevada and doing some other stuff they were also working for someone else and it is important outbound flight we now know the washing post the prosecutors working on for Tasha's case were like wait a second we know those guys from the Ukrainian oligarch that is where Rudy Giuliani said is indicted associates from fruit and we're heading before their arrest Reuters which has done excellent reporting on this subject reports of both men Reuters reports Giuliani was paid five hundred thousand dollars by left parties is company called and I swear to God this is true fraud guarantee but here's the thing so Erin let's start I a lot of names here somewhat complicated but just start with for Tosh and the case against him while he was indicted in Furtok hired the new legal team over the summer the husband wife team of Joseph degen of a and Victoria Thanh saying they are on Fox News all the time and there were one point going to be although he was arrested in two thousand fourteen in Austria and he's he's been fighting extradition here on the US has been trying to get him extradited to face these charges for a long time like dude working with them working for him working with people working for him it's tough to dope out precisely what they were doing but he was helping a pro-trump pack and also trying to get rid of the US ambassador Ukraine one of their portfolios the work they do that includes convert your money we knew about trump's quid pro quo bus as Rudy's pals meet their judge or look forward to the ending myself vigorously in court what we know about the mob link you a lot of expenses to fly back and forth to Washington and their homes and then to fly to Vienna to see him and to see others push with scheme and they needed they needed a and he's been he's been fighting due to stay there so you've got a Parnasse and fruman are working what is their relationship to fertilizer in all the world with them trying to get the Ukrainian government to basically manufactured or the presence political rival the subject of the impeach increase in fact they're working so much Rudy Giuliani your Ukraine shadow policy recently but I don't want to imply that this was going back all the way back to eighteen two thousand eighteen and so forth this was was in two thousand nine hundred Furtok is a big deal federal prosecutors in Chicago have been fighting for his extradition for years and so get this when length eager fruman end up in federal custody nab the DC White House might invoke executive privilege and are accused of various crimes crimes that relate directly funnelling Russian money into American campaigns including five hundred thousand dollars by left Harnesses Company and the story that Parnell's improvement both worked for Dimitri Furnish Rawson he's foreign policy correspondent for Reuters nine okay and later of course as we reported as we reported another did parnents introduced fear Tasha and set him up with with Victoria tossing and Jodi agenda as as his new legal counsel in DC and they were you know he's got a lawyer in Chicago. President trump came out today having caused this incredible domino effect of catastrophe to declare victory and claim credit for the two weeks unmitigated human misery that is a recurring theme of the trump administration is the president creating catastrophes a lawyer stars and then after taking the case taunting agenda security rare face to face meeting with Attorney General William Bar and other Justice Department act yesterday between Turkish present regime type airline and Russian President Vladimir Putin to effectively carve up a portion of northeastern Syria between them he then pretends to solve but none of quite the sheer human steaks and brutality of what he has done in Syria where after one phone call with President Trump Green chills to argue against the charges that seems very successful representation choice by Mr for Tash it really does I mean and they were they were paying all right Erin Rawson thank you very much ahead is the president tries to take credit for fixing catastrophe he created for Kurdish allies what the Kurdish people have to say about it all next his his role and that's how he was receiving money in in this context so two questions we know that the parts was directing money these that members of Ukrainian prosecutor community and do we know if he was sort of trying to peddle his own kind of like Otto on Ukraine Dude from his initial decision we keep talking about how the Kurds are our allies it is notable that voices occurs have been as far as I can tell almost entirely absent from the coverage us as they've said that they're paying on us as a as a translator he's not as far as we know professional translator but that became his job and his says who had to bomb their own military base leaving the US armored convoy to get pelted by stones and rotten fruit by angry and betrayed Kurds and then after all that there was a official's or hunter Biden as part of the scheme as well well it's a good question did he joined it I mean the way people are seeing it now it's that you know he so I wanted to speak to our next guest she is awesome Goyeneche Assistant Professor at the City University of New York garnishes Kurdish born inside Turkey believes here now and headed right so so parnasse steers the representation from Lanny Davis is a old Clinton person in a Democrat to these sort of right wing conservative media Kurdish fighters who fought side by side with ice the US in the battle against Isis and lost more than eleven thousand soldiers doing so a hasty retreat of US would've began more recently to join and the the push to reinvestigate Burris Mon- Hunter Biden case it an invasion which led to the cessation of all anti Isis operations the clearing out of hundreds of thousands of refugees Kurds being killed the betrayal these conspiracy theories and this wasn't something that come up from the fear Tosh case which is which has been argued very vigorously in court and it hadn't come up before talk directly to men who also pay Julian and five hundred thousand we don't have any evidence that like the half a million bucks rudy got ultimately came from fertile right or now known as for Java book out called Turkish National Identity and it's elsl outsiders Gosh thank you so much for being here thank you for having me member of the Emergency Committee for Russia the steering committee that's been funneling international support to those Kurdish forces at it successfully resisted isis in the area of the Turkish how what what what has happened here and what does it mean. Well trump served Kurds on a silver plate to Aragon who has famously should the prosecutor shock in his in his affidavit was was in support of of the fear Tash case right and it's the thing that lays out some of the chronology wouldn't make sense as we know it okay so I wanted to just put that on the table and then second of all like do we know for Tasha's his own axes to grind with various I told everybody that he was meaning to do this that he's going to exterminate displace he called them these people who have been fighting for their self-determination we've fought against Isis are on call them over and over again as terrorists and trump basically served them on a silver plate he fled I I guess just your reaction as someone who was in contact with folks there and particularly the folks in Java which was this sort of stronghold of Kurdish self governance decided and declared that he was going to do this invasion on occupation at the U. N. meeting late September and he has declared are dawn has green light for Turkey to enter an invade this relatively peaceful region with the northern Syria relatively peaceful region that was and not only trump did that he was so disrespectful to the Kurds to call them as bad as Isis and by democratic confederal ISM paludism feminism and ecologically friendly place that's created a beautiful experience in the midst of a war zone in the Middle East worse than Isis this was very disrespectful so people who have fought against Isis who've lost more than eleven thousand lives not only they betrayed but right now they're being re colonized because of trump's decision and now he decided and he told that he's cleaning up the Smith by making a deal with the invader with the occupier the violent Turkish steak who has declared it's a wireless and it's hi to negotiate with Turks and now he's claiming that there's victory if there's any victory the victory is that of the Turks and Turkish government who has done your patient longtime ago so he did not make Kurtz part of this deal Kurds were not part of this negotiation he for centuries and replace them with another population that you think is going to increase your chances of victory within your own nation state because we know that there's been Reactions among the Turkish nationalists to the Syrian refugees within Turkey so he's using this to replace the Syrian refugees who have not gone to thousands of Kurdish civilians out of there is that your understanding of what is taking place ethnic cleansing when you remove population from where they were originally located her it says those forces are allied with the same forces that have caused terrorist attacks inside Turkey this is the Erdo online but more than that to actually move and resettle it's only as a means of self defense and this is very clear from their social contract that violence is only used as a means of self defense because they were denied sovereignty walkabout misspoke and said he'd been to fifty seven states and Republicans are still talking about it eleven years later it's pretty wild considering we get something like that nations state so they're using these means of self-defence against Isis and against all the other powers like the Assad regime and the Turkish regime has been threatening them the wall a big one that really works that you can't get over you can't get under and and they didn't have it and we're building a wall on the border of New Mexico we're building a wall in Colorado we're building building a wall in Texas I we're not building a wall in Kansas but they get the benefit of the walls that we just mentioned on Church to be joined by the leaders of Cote d'Ivoire if the opium Ghana Guinea Nambia Tanzania China the most powerful woman in America is standing up to the present United States and Gloria Steinem Robin we're GonNa have something to say about it that join me ahead but first tonight's thing one thing too is next every couple of hours from the new Guy New Mexico which I think we're GonNa win you know why we're going to win New Mexico because they want safety on their border within this region and preventing them from leaving peacefully as they've been trying to do all right awesome garnish I'm thank you so much for making the time and I really appreciate it new out of New Mexico not to be fair geography has never been one of trump's best subjects and that's to win sixty seconds sided this just about any republican ministration would be doing like for instance environmental rollbacks this administration brags about how many regulations they have caught and they have cut many daily decisions that are made by members of this administration at the margins that have genuinely harmful effects for Americans some of them are things that frankly we shouldn't lose speech today this one is from Dr who you should be following and this one was posted from this by the senator from Vermont Patrick layhee trump's sharpie taking the wait are we building a wall in Colorado to the president in Colorado is on the border with Mexico the Photoshop Fund began at Twitter Dot Com right John is a beautiful city we are also praying for the people of Puerto Rico we love wet ten thousand people died prematurely in a terrorist attack can you imagine the reaction but that is the silent cost of these policies air pollution has in eighteen alone eroding air quality was linked to nearly ten thousand additional deaths in the US relative to the twenty sixteen benchmark the year in which small particles DOC ID Missouri you cherish Utah's gleaming rivers this rusher thing with trump and Russia Jerusalem is not just the heart of okay from the region they've gone from elsewhere from other places and he's displacing exterminating and calling people who have been using last month for example and Yorktown counted eighty five environmental regulations that have been rolled back under trump this is not just some theoretical thing out there this has berry tangible facts and the tangible fact is ten thousand people dying according to just released new data the Washington Post Code put it quote in two zero solution reached a two decade low according to researchers at Carnegie Mellon University set number some crazy you sounds crazy to me falling for years the EPA under President Obama targeting aggressively using its powers under the law including new regulations like the clean power plan the trump author it is easy to lose sight of the fact that the trump administration isn't just one guy it is in fact an entire administration that does run the federal government and there are all sorts tape it happened to a friend of mine he was killed and God bless the United Ditch thank you very much thank you mm-hmm maybe more so as his ridiculous hijinks shouting reporters in front of a helicopter the thing wanted I remember that time Russian has gone after those regulations and more and the result are an estimated ten thousand people dead before their time never ever lose sight of the with geography and we're building a wall in Colorado we're building a beautiful wall and I'm greatly honored to host this fact that the silent deaths of those ten thousand people from the particles in the air you can't see are as much a legacy of trump and the trump administration and everyone works eruption and the lying and the bigotry and the outrageous and offensive statements and the insults and the barrage of negative attention the president compulsively seeks a wayward is a path and that follow through resulted in this iconic instrument we could go today we're just come to symbolize the showdown that is happening the first woman house speaker in history three great religions nobody says that the other way it has to be Nevada said correctly and it did so donald trump seems to think today that Colorado is a border state with Mexico and so it's time for another episode of our president is terrible cancellation of where the country is the woman speaker representing a Democratic Coalition that is has more women members as a percentage than it ever has is the most diverse in committees there is a battle happening across so many lines of identity in American politics right now but from the women's March on day one of trump's presidency to latest polling splits between men and women right now the president is at his most imperilled moment politically which is largely brought on by his own actions but he's also facing united and vigorous opposition for the first real time yeah one side the president and all the president's men literally on the other side and then all the president's men in the halls of the Capitol today disrupting the investigator
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"There's message comes from NPR sponsor Comcast. Comcast values your time. That's why you can schedule to our appointment windows, including nights and weekends that way. You can spend more time doing what you love. Comcast working to make things. Simple, easy, and awesome. From WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air weakened, the new film. Never look away is about an artist who grows up in Nazi Germany, where modern art is banned and comes of age in communist, east, Germany, where the only sanctioned art is propaganda, these dictators know that art has the power to change the way that people see the world, I've almost come to find that. That's the definition of art. We'll talk with screenwriter and director Florian Henkel von Donner's, Mark. Also, we'll talk about the close connections between the Trump White House and Fox News with New Yorker, staff writer, Jane Mayer, one story, she uncovered about Trump's attempt to interfere in a business deal that. Would be unfavorable to FOX might lead to a congressional investigation. She says this story is part of a pattern many decisions that have to do with regulatory matters seem to favour Fox News and its chairman Rupert Murdoch. This message comes from NPR sponsor wicks dot com with wicks you can create your very own professional website, choose a designer made simply or let wigs artificial design intelligence build your site for you with advanced design features. You can tell your story exactly the way you want. It's easy to start a blog and online store or create an events, and you can share it all on social media and click. Get started now by going to wicks dot com. That's W I X dot com slash fresh air to get ten percent off the new film never look away is about an artist painter whose first exposed to modern art as a child growing up in Nazi Germany. He's taken by his aunt to an exhibit of modern art. That was curated by the Nazis. To show. What degenerate art looks like the kind of art the Nazis are banning by the time. The boy is an art student the Russian communists have taken over east, Germany where the boy lives and all art is expected to be propaganda showing images of happy working people as a young man, he flees to west Germany and attends an art school known to be Evan guard the artists they're considered representational painting, the kind of painting. He does to be obsolete. Implicit in the movie are questions like why make art what is art for? And who is it for the movie is inspired by the life of Gerhard Richter, one of the most famous German painters of his generation, my guest is the film's writer and director Florin Henkel von Donner's, Mark his two thousand six film, the lives of others when an Oscar for best foreign language film that film was set in east Germany about a playwright and an officer of the Stasi the state secret police who spies on the playwright the new. Film. Never look away was nominated for an Oscar flourine Hanko von Donner's. Mark welcome to fresh air. The film starts with an exhibit of degenerate art Dresden nineteen thirty seven the Nazis have taken power in Germany, and this was an exhibit that actually happened in Nazi Germany, wh when non representational modern art was considered a threat was considered subversive was considered a sign of mental illness. Tell us what you know about this exhibit of degenerate art, you know, it was one of the most successful exhibits ever staged over two million people came to see the exhibit, and it was the German government gobbles going into the individual museums. He and his people and finding art that they considered didn't match the aesthetic ideals of Nazi Germany, so anything that didn't show beautiful realistic landscapes. And people anything that they didn't consider uplifting was pulled out and the least craft like of those artworks were shown in this exhibit for people to make fun of. And in a time of great poverty in Germany. They would put next to each art work a number of marks that it had cost. So I said, you know, this individual painting here, which only consists of lines and blotch is or a blue horse or something ridiculous. Like that a guy who can't even get the color of a horse. Right was paid two thousand marks for this painting at times where you guys are all starving. It was supposed to really create a hatred of people who didn't toe the party line in arts in Germany. And I think, you know, many people did see it that way. But one thing that you also find into biographies of some artists is that many people used it as a last chance to see great and free art because this this was amazing art and then actually after. That exhibit was done over two million people had seen it the Nazis sold what they could in Switzerland and the rest, they destroyed. So a lot of these paintings were actually destroyed, and I always felt that was such a massive cultural loss. And so our painters worked with the archives of these persecuted painters to try, and reconstruct the paintings that were shown died exhibit. So we rebuilt them from little black and white photographs trying to figure out what colors people use. And so we really made all those artworks come to life again. So actually, you know, although it's a fairly short scene in just the first few minutes of the movie, it was actually a very complicated production because you had to make all the art. We had to make the art. And actually now we have to destroy this. Art, the crazy agreement that we have with the collecting society is that after we're done filming. So they don't suddenly appear somewhere as forgeries. We actually have to destroy them again. So I have I haven't yet found in myself the strength to do it. So they're still in my mom seller in in Berle. Lynn. But at some point I'm going to have to go down there, and and destroy them. Why is it so hard for you to destroy? I mean, they are they're fakes. But there is close to the real thing as we have. And that's also why why they have to be destroyed because in fifty years time, someone could find them and think oh great. Here's auto Dixon. Work ripples. It wasn't destroyed. After all, here's the real thing. And suddenly you have a forgery in circulation, and that's why they wanted destroyed. But you know, I I still feel that. I know there's there's something this. These paintings been destroyed once before now, we've reconstructed them a great with great love. And now we have to destroy them. Again. It's it's a little sad. What's really strikes me as so odd about the Nazi degenerate, art exhibit? I mean in the there were very famous artists in there. I think because I was in there, right and condense key and Paul Klee. How crazy is it to warn people about how horrible this artists when it's like, great art. And you're exposing people to it who never would have seen it. Otherwise, it's I mean, it really is one of the one of the crazy crazy chapters in in art history. I mean in human history all of everything having to do with what the Nazis did. When these for example, the expressionists between the two world wars showed. The crime and depravity, and despair that was in Germany and made paintings of prostitutes in terrible, living conditions and of murders and of war cripples, the Nazi said. Oh, well, look, this is what these artists want for our country. This is what they consider beautiful. This is how deranged these people are that is actually their agenda for Germany. When of course, they were. This was a cry of of sorrel and despair. So it's it's so interesting that they could not even imagine that other people had a completely different philosophy. Not only did they persecute people who thought differently. They couldn't even imagine what it was that led to those different thoughts. But you know, the thing that you have to say to about the degenerate art exhibition is it showed that the Nazi's thought art was really powerful. And that that power had to be banned when it was in the hands of artists. Who they considered you know, deranged or mentally ill or not not literally correct to put it in today's terms, and it's instilling a lot of power in art. When a lot of people are so indifferent to art. They wouldn't have cared one way or another. I mean, I think that's one thing that you find. I mean, all dictatorships that I've looked at I find that. They have exactly what you're talking about this, fundamental belief that art is something that has to be kept under control. And I thought for a long time, why do these primitive people take art? So seriously, it's it's the last thing that they care about. But I think that in their incredible survival instinct, these dictators know that art has the power to change the way that people see the world. I mean, I almost come to find that. That's the definition of art. Well, well, you know, a contrast that you make an assimilation that you you draw is, you know, the the Nazis are are trying to ban art and control art and keep art to like realistic uplifting paintings and the World War Two ends and on the Russians move in takeover, east Germany, and it's very similar. And so the main character the artists in your movie, I he sees the the German, you know, the Nazi exhibit of decadent art and as he becomes an art student. The only thing you're allowed to paint is like uplifting things in service of like the people with capital letters. And instead of for instance, like a nude model for the art students to draw to learn anatomy, they're drawing a man and a woman. One of them's holding a sickle on the other has a handful of wheat because they're showing like people working in the fields, you know. And so like, you're you know, they're. Their opposition, the Nazis, and the communists they were awarded together. The, you know, the Russians and the Germans, but their attitude toward art is pretty much the same. Yeah. It's it's it's really interesting. I think as soon as you try and control art art disappears. And you know, the Nazis had this terrible philosophy of art. And then the communist came to power and said, we'll look we're going to do things all differently from the Nazis and actually now if you look at some of the Nazi paintings and some of the communist paintings, it's almost hard to tell the difference. And they were so convinced they were doing the exact opposite. But what they were doing was just keeping tight control on art in thereby by destroying it. So you're you're you're moving never look away is inspired by the life of the German artist Gerhard Richter who developed a style of like photo realism in which the realism was. I don't know what word to use a little modeled a little distorted in the final part of the process, but he has objected to the film apparently you interviewed him for many hours. And once the film came out. He did his best to distance it distance himself from it saying things like, you know, it's where he hasn't seen. It wasn't seen. He he didn't like the trailer. That was what I what I showed him. He he didn't like that. Because he felt it was you know, can to too loud. Or so I mean, he I really tried to get him to see the film. I said, you know, you can't you can't judge a judge a film based on its trailer. I mean, he he kept him informed. Every step of the way, even read him the script when I was done with it. So, but I I'd been warned by his biographer that he always turns on people after opening up to them. The same thing happened to the biographers. I was a little bit prepared. I thought it wouldn't really happen to me because because I just kept him informed every step of the way. But but it didn't happen. I, you know, I think it's too bad. He didn't see the film. But in a way, I also understand him because it's about a lot of traumatic things many of which have happened in his life. Also. And if I put myself in that position, quite honestly of thinking, okay, I'm offered by someone to re. Relive the greatest trauma of my life on screen. You know, I I don't know if I if I if I would want that eat up, you know, what I may be want to talk through those things with someone who is really interested in an interested in getting to the truth of of my feelings. Yes. Probably. So, you know, maybe the film is for for for everybody except for him. My guest is flourine handle von Donner's, Mark. He wrote and directed the new film never look away. We'll continue our conversation after a break. And Jane Mayer a staff writer for the New Yorker will talk about her latest article investigating the close relationship between Fox News and the Trump White House. I'm Terry gross. And this is fresh air weaken support for this podcast and the following message. Come from state farm, who's agents know that your car and home are more than just big purchases. They're a big part of your life. You put the time into making them your own. So now, it's time to protect them with your own personal state farm agent. Not only do they truly get you. But they'll be there for you. When you need them. And with over nineteen thousand agents in neighborhoods across the US, there could be one just around the corner. More at state farm dot com or one eight hundred state farm state farm here to help life. Go right. Let's get back to my interview with screenwriter and director Florian Hengel von Donner's, Mark. So you're you're you're you're moving never look away is inspired by the life of the German artist Gerhard Richter Richter's aunt was killed by the Nazis. And as the aunt is depicted in the film, and you could tell us if this was similar in real life. She suffered from schizophrenia as as been could have been schizophrenia or a form of bipolar disorder or medical records is still there. But it's not completely clear which of those two illnesses was and at the time, the Nazis had a program in a much if you were not considered fit for reproduction because of any kind of, you know, mental health issue, whether they thought that you were mentally deficient cognitively, or if you had like, a mental illness like bipolar or schizophrenia, they would sterilize you. So that you couldn't reproduce and ruin the German bloodline. And then often they would kill you off. Afterwards, just to make like double shore that you didn't infect Germany. And so you have this happen to her. Did you do a lot of research into this forced sterilization or her? I mean, it was that that was really a very depressing chapter of this. You know, it only takes up a small part of the film, but it wasn't important premise. I took the whole crew to the place where these people were murdered for instance nights. I it's it's a research center now, and they're wonderful historians researching this also I mean, it it number wise. Of course, it doesn't approach anything that of the murders that came later where the Nazis ended up committing the greatest history of mankind and murdering the Jewish people. But this was a little bit of a, you know, like a miniature dress rehearsal for that they actually developed a lot of the techniques which were then later used in the holocaust they develop those in targeting those who were. Are you mentally disabled and? Also discount. Yes. And also discovered through this that they had to completely keep everything in the hands of the SS. And when there was a lot of protest against this murdering of of of people with these a red itary mental disabilities, and they had to officially shut it down. Of course, inefficiently it went on. But then they realized okay, we don't it's not enough to have it in the furthest eastern corner of the Reich. We have to actually move it further east and moved it into Poland. And put everything in the hands of the SS when they went onto what their main goal was the murder of of Jewish people. So the gas chamber was one of the things that was started for people with mental illness. Yes, that's where they developed all the techniques even the exact crematoria and all that. It's a it's it's something which has only been being researched now, but there's a government funded research center there appeal on Stein, and we had all the historians work on our film, and we reconstructed those things exactly. And when we shot that one kind of really tough scene of of the murder, we actually had those historians there. And we we shot it on the day of the remembrance of the victims of the crimes of the Nazis and said, look, let's build a monument to let's build a monument meant to these these victims. You're at the first draft of your first film the lives of others at a suspicion monastery in the Vienna. Woods where your ankle is the emeritus Abbott, and my Channing is that this is an order that practices. Silence. And I imagine there's a lot of sounds like it's a pretty cloistered, you know, monastery, and I'm sure there's like some, you know, chanting or meditation involved all the time. So what was it like for you to write a film there were you did you observe the silences and meditate and pray with the monks? Well, it's really a beautiful and magical place this monastery that was founded in the twelfth century and has existed in the exact same way. Right to the present day. And there has not been a a day since was it. I think I mean eleven teen ninety or something like that where you did not have the exact same routine every single day actually almost died under the Nazis, they'd arrested every single one except one of the monks. But he's still kept the that that going and then right after the Nazis were were driven out of it all came back to full power. So there's an incredible power about the continuity of that observance there and nothing has changed about the way that they live in those eight hundred fifty years, and it's really a perfect place to work. I was given amongst cell and all these guys do is working pray. And no I didn't pray with him during the time that I was writing it there. But sometimes I did go to the to the Gregorian chant to prayer. But I said, you know, my prayer is going to be writing the screenplay, and my work is going to be writing the screenplay. But at least I won't be completely alone. You know, I get the food that the monks seat there. Monks. Eat quite quite well, or at least a lot because they don't have that many other sensual pleasures they can that they can engage in. So very few of them are actually, you know, lean. So I enjoyed that part since I'm not all that lean myself, and it was a very good place to write you there. Just no distractions. You can't go to this dinner party or to, you know, I don't know that interesting exhbition because there's truly nothing there. And it was a perfect way to focus. I I recommend anyone if if you know Cistercian somewhere, they actually have to the great thing is it's part of the rule of Saint Benedict. They have. To take in guests. So if you go there and say, hey, will you invite me they have to say, yes. So they're they're very generous and very nice people and hospitality is part of their code. So they will take you in. So if if any of you want to write a symphony or a or a screenplay or a novel or just your dissertation than go to a Benedictine monastery now, that's better. That's better than a writer's colony. I've never tried to writers colony. But I could imagine that there would be some kind of you to say competition, or dynamics or who's more important, or you know, is this person writing more than I am in a in a monastery, you know, they're all praying more than your writing. So you're you've been outdone for moment. One. Anyway. Right. It's been so great to talk with you, and congratulations on your film. Well, thank you very much, Terry. I I really enjoyed our conversation things floor in Hanko van Donner's Mark wrote and directed the new film never look away. Has Fox News crossed the line from partisan to propaganda. That's what Jane Mayer investigates in her new article, titled the making of the Fox News White House published in the New Yorker where she's a staff writer. She says the White House and Fox News interact. So seamlessly that it can be hard to determine during a new cycle, which one is following the others lead one of the stories. She uncovered involves President Trump's attempt to get the Justice department to stop a business deal that would be unfavorable to FOX this revelation might lead to a congressional investigation. She reports that during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign FOX killed a story because it would have hurt Trump's chances of winning mayor also writes about Trump's relationship with Rupert Murdoch, the Cherif Fox News and about the revolving door between FOX and the Trump White House. We recorded our interview Wednesday. It was first broadcast on fresh air Thursday and. As we record this weekend edition on Friday, Bill shine has just resigned his position as deputy White House chief of staff overseeing communications shine had a pit him is the revolving door. He's a former co president of Fox News. He'll now be working on Trump's reelection campaign. Another development since we recorded the interview, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Tom Perez issued a statement that the New Yorkers reporting on the inappropriate relationship between President Trump his administration and Fox News, let Peres to conclude that FOX is not an opposition to host a fair and neutral debate for democratic candidates and therefore would not serve as a debate host for the twenty twenty democratic primary debates. So here's an excerpt of the interview I recorded Wednesday with Jane Mayer, Jane Mayer, welcome back to fresh air. Dilemma ask you about the story in your piece that's made the most news. And that's that President Trump tried to order. The Justice department to file a lawsuit to stop AT and T from acquiring Time Warner explain what Trump did. So this was in the late summer of twenty seventeen and Trump ordered Gary Cohn who was then the head of the National Economic Council. So the top economic advisor in the White House. He ordered him to get the Justice department to file suit and stop the deal and President Trump. It was in a Oval Office meeting. Trump said blocked that deal. I wanted blocked. I told you fifty times we need to get that suit filed. So you could see that the president was actually trying to interfere in the Justice Department's decision about one of the biggest deals involving billion dollar companies that have to do with news organizations, so Gary Cohn declined to do that. Right. Then what happened? Well, so Gary Cohen a turn to John Kelly who had just become chief of staff on the way out the two of them were walking out of the Oval Office. And he turned to Kellyanne said don't you dare do that? This is not how we're going to do business. But what was interesting to me? Also was just a couple of months later, the Justice department did intervene in that case filed a suit and tried to block the deal. And it's since lost that case, but they really did get into it. So how does this story fit into your story about the relationship between the Trump administration and Fox News? It's an example of a pattern that you can see which is that many decisions that have to do with regulatory matters seem to favor Fox News and its chairman Rupert Murdoch, and that was one of the deals that took place that seemed to favour Rupert Murdoch. And it's if you bear with me for one second the reason is that Time Warner own. Owns CNN and CNN is the rival Affleck's news. And so by blocking that deal when the Justice department got in it really tried to hurt Time Warner and CNN by doing that. And it cost them hundreds of millions of dollars by filing that suit. So it was a matter that was very helpful to Rupert Murdoch. And it also was very hurtful to CNN who President Trump has been, you know, very open about disparaging. Right. So President Trump see CNN as one of the kings of fake news, and is very much anywhere. Very much has a good relationship with Rupert Murdoch and Fox News. So it's got a very close relationship with Rupert Murdoch. I mean, this is one of the things that I found interesting. So I started by looking at Bill shine as I said to try to take a look at the relationship between FOX and the and the White House, and what I found were there were all these different layers. Have relationships that go all the way up to the chairman of twenty th Century, Fox who was Rupert Murdoch one at the great moguls in the media world, and he has a very close relationship with President Trump. It's not always a happy relationship, but the two of them appear to speak rarely maybe every week some say every day and Rupert Murdoch. Also speaks quite regularly as much as daily with President Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, so you've got these very close relationships going on. So you also report that FOX killed a story because they wanted Donald Trump to win and become president. And they killed the story at a time when Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump or kind of neck and neck in the polls, and the story has to do with stormy Daniels. Explain the story that Fox News killed so this was in October twenty sixteen and so right before the election. And a reporter at Fox News dot com. Had the story of the fact that the president was using his lawyer to pay off a porn star. With whom the president had had an affair and that they were trying to silence. This porn star. Stormy Daniels by paying her off. And that there was an actual contract which the reporter saw. And so the reporter whose name is Diana fell zone. I caught wind of this in March, and she had been reporting all the way up through October. And she was pushing to get her story in print or on the website at FOX, and she kept getting a run around from her editors there, eventually she was getting more and more frustrated and worried the election was approaching she thought it was something voter should at least be able to consider and she reached the editor in charge of the website amend named Ken Lacorte. And according to what she told her friends and colleagues at the time, and I've interviewed them Ken Lacorte said to her. Good reporting Kitto, but Rupert Murdoch wants Donald Trump to win. So just leave it alone. And that was the end of the story was shelved. So an another related story that she broke. And that FOX did not put on the air was that the inquirer was doing catch and kill stories with other women who had had sexual relations or or alleged that they had sexual relations with the president and catch and kill again. So in a tabloid buys, the exclusive rights to a source story with the intention of never publishing it affects really killing the story. So FOX didn't go with that either. What was the reason for that? It's all of a piece, basically, which was that that what she was hearing was that FOX did not want to stand in the way of Trump getting elected president. In fact, it wanted to help him get elected president and the word. She was getting was this came straight down from the top from Rupert Murdoch. She was a young reporter not long after that. She was demoted. She eventually filed suit. Suit, and as part of the suit, she had to sign a nondisclosure agreement where she's not allowed to tell the story to how did you get it? I spoke with her lawyer who said she couldn't come at. But she confirmed that there was such a settlement, and I spoke with a friend in which the reporter confided, and I also confirmed it with someone she was working with at the time who's quoted by name in the story. His name's Nick Ritchie. And interestingly, he he was somebody who ran a kind of a gossip blog site in Hollywood. And he is a Trump supporter, and he is a fan of Fox News. But nonetheless, he said Diana fell zone. Had the story. She did her homework, and he said to me, I told her FOX would never run it. But he also said he thought that it would have swayed the election if she'd been able to get it out there. So at the risk of perhaps, stating the obvious. I am what does it say that Fox News is alleged to have killed a story. Because it would hurt Trump's chances of winning the presidency. Well, I I mean, put it this way. It makes it not a regular news organization. Not like any I've ever worked for specifically. And it it it makes it's what its critics say. Is that FOX is is an arm of the White House. It's it's part. It's a mouthpiece for Trump. My guest is Jane Mayer a staff writer for the New Yorker who knew article is titled the making of the Fox News White House. We'll talk more after a break. This is fresh air weekend. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Samsung introducing the Samsung galaxy S ten a phone is powerful intelligence and intuitive. As you are the ten has a cinematic Infinity display for an immersive viewing experience Oprah sonic fingerprints ID that unlocks naturally with a touch a program camera. That captures images of the world as you see it and all day intelligent battery life design. Signed to learn your behavior and optimize battery life. The Samsung galaxy S ten is available now at Samsung dot com. That's get back to my interview with investigative reporter Jane Mayer, her new article, the making of the Fox News White House is published in the New Yorker where she's a staff writer. It's about the close connections between President Trump and Fox News and the revolving door between the two let's get back to the relationship between Rupert Murdoch. The chairman of Fox News and President Trump their relationship goes back to hundred seventy five when Murdoch bought the New York Post, the tabloid in New York and Murdoch and Trump were brought together boy by ROY Cohn who had been something of a mentor to Trump and his most famous for having been Senator McCarthy's chief counsel during the witch hunt, for communists, and communist sympathizers. So what what did Cohn c- is the potential synergy by bringing Murdoch and Trump together he thought that there was a great kind of deal that these two. Could strike where Trump would grow famous get celebrity from the New York Post his exploits could run on page six gossip section of the New York Post and Trump was kind of a famous playboy. And it would it would, you know, raise his public image, and Rupert Murdoch who was just really launching page six at the New York Post would have great copy could sell copies of his paper and make money off things. So that was the origin of the relationship between these two men, and as you say it goes way back to the seventies. You also write that in private at that time Murdoch regarded Trump with disdain seeing him as a real estate huckster and shady casino operator. As I read that line. I was trying to imagine Trump reading this article in reading that line if he didn't know that in private Murdoch had regarded him that way, I think their relationship is better now, but still I. You don't know the answer to that. I'm sure, but it sure made me wonder, well, you know, the thing is that a Trump from what I understand. And I did, you know tons of reporting for this piece. Trump knows that Rupert Murdoch has often disparaged him behind his back, and and that Rupert Murdoch loves to dine out on stories about inane things that Trump has said and Rupert Murdoch shares it with his friends at dinner parties, and and Michael Wolff in his book on the Trump White House, actually quoted Murdoch as describing Trump as a expletive deleted idiot. And so certainly President Trump knows that Rupert Murdoch is not always worshipful of him. But what I was told was that Trump is okay with it. He, you know. And and that he he has made his peace with that. And I think in part. It's also because Trump really needs Murdoch Trump really needs FOX. And and he burdock is an incredibly powerful figure in the media world at this point and his audience is the Trump ace. So in one thousand nine hundred sixty Rupert Murdoch hires Roger Ailes to create Fox News, and then Trump starts making regular appearances in two thousand eleven and you read a little bit about how that changed things at Fox News. Yes. So when when Trump was asked on one of the first things he started talking about in twenty eleven was this birtherism issue the challenging whether or not President Obama was authentically born in America. And it was an issue that had been kicking around on the fringes of American politics. But even the hosts at FOX, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck at the time. We both had shows then both of them thought, it was an idiot subject, and they they, you know, had kind of knocked the whole idea of it is ridiculous. But when Trump comes on FOX, he starts pushing it and FOX gives him a national platform to push it, and you begin to hear Sean Hannity pick up on it too. So you begin to see the beginnings of what was going to be the later issue kinds of issues that Trump pushed in his own campaign. Have you been watching a lot of Fox News while replay? So so much FOX this morning day and night for people who aren't watching Fox News. What are some of the counter narratives, Fox News is offering? Well, it's really it's it's like an alternative universe. I hadn't realized till I really started watching it so much how completely different the narrative is on FOX. But it explains a lot about what's going on in American politics. I recommend people take a look at it because you'll understand much better. What it's got going on is is you know, kind of an explanation. An a an argument for for why everything that you see on the mainstream media is wrong. And so the basic storyline is that Robert Muller's investigation is the witch hunt that Trump talks about that. This deep state is trying to push a coup in the country to push out Trump that all the investigations into Trump are corrupt and that the law. Enforcement agencies that are undertaking them the FBI or or or whatever that they're the crooks rather than Trump and the people around him. It's just a completely opposite viewpoint from what you would get in. Most of the other news organizations is Fox News still advocating for further investigation into Hillary Clinton and her Email server, it is, but I get the feeling that that may be losing a little bit of juice, but even even as a week or two ago, they were still saying I was Sean Hannity was saying that if the Justice department doesn't open an investigation into Hillary Clinton, the constitution will be shredded. So it's that kind of thing that you're gonna see on on Fox News still, and and many other kind of odd conspiracy theories that that sort of explain away any kind of criticism of Trump. There are several people who have gone from Fox News into the Trump administration. Some of them have left the. Ministration can talk a little bit about that cross pollination. Yeah. There there's almost a revolving door there. You've got an an an and other administrations to be fair. There have been people who've gone from news organizations to go work in white before, you know, we think of Jay Carney. For instance, went from time magazine to go work in the Obama White House, but what you see in the Trump White House. That's a little different is that many of the people who were talking heads on FOX are assuming important positions of all sorts. Not just press positions. Can you give us some examples? Sure. So you've got John Bolton who's now the national security adviser, and he had come from from FOX. You've got Ben Carson who's now the secretary of of housing and urban development. He came from FOX, you've got the deputy national security adviser who also came from FOX. You had the ambassador to the United Nations Heather new art who was appointed by Trump, but she didn't get confirmed, she withdrew herself. But she was also talking head on FOX. These are all very complicated positions major positions in administration. They're not just press kinds of positions. And there just seems to be one after another there, and you also see people going from the Trump administration back onto FOX. So you would see Sebastian Gorka who was in the Trump administration's national Security Council and until just a couple of days ago. He was very often on FOX as a supposedly independent commentator. Another example is hope Hicks who was the White House communications director, and now has become the top communications director for twenty first Century, Fox Lou Dobbs who host a show on Fox News and his very anti immigration. And you say he's been patched into Oval Office meetings. He's you know, he's a host on Fox News. Exactly. I mean, some of the people who are the the still hosting shows on FOX are seen by many of the people who are in and around the White House, including some of the White House staff as basically being a shadow cabinet. So you've got Lou Dobbs being patched in two Oval Office meetings and the same thing with Sean Hannity, who's got a kind of a uniquely powerful role in the White House so much so that people refer to him as the shadow chief of staff, they talk fr- frequently after Hannity show right hadn't he's told people that that he and President Trump speak almost every night after Hannity show. That's a very unusual relationship. Isn't it? I I've I've never heard of anything like it in any other White House. I mean, they've been in past one houses there there. There've been favored members of the press. But but nothing where someone is so close in that they are coordinating on a daily basis with the president. You report that Donald Trump was tipped off about a couple of key questions in the debates. What were those questions and how was he tipped off? So this this is a report that's based on several FOX insiders to to who suggest that they have the information from an eyewitness who saw Roger Ailes tip off Trump prior to the big Republican presidential debate in twenty fifteen. It was August twenty fifteen where where Trump was you know, all eyes were on Trump to see whether he could sort of hold his own, and he was give. A famously tough question by FOX host Megan Kelly who asked him about his the the way he had disparaged women, and and supposedly mistreated women, and and it was a very tough question, and and Trump handled it quite well, he broke the audience up in laughter with a quick one line rejoinder where he said the only women that he spoke poorly of was just Rosie O'Donnell and the the hall just blew up in laughter. Everybody thought that was an example of how Trump could think quickly on his feet and occasionally flash some charm and survive almost any kind of a salt from the press. But according to a couple people, I interviewed who were insiders at FOX. And in addition somebody in the Trump campaign, they say that Trump had gotten advance notice of this question is the implication that maybe somebody helped him come up with the Rosie O. Donal rejoinder or that maybe he'd he'd rehearsed it, I mean, it's it's hard to know. I don't have that from anyone saying that they specifically know that but several people say that Roger ills was overheard telling Trump himself that he should get ready for that question. You know in talking about leaking debate questions to to Donald Trump when Donna Brazile who'd been a democratic operative was also working with CNN and was I think working as a commentator, then she leaked questions to the Hillary Clinton campaign that we're going to be asked on the debate. What did candidate Trump have to say when he learned that? Oh, I mean, he he is used it as a a reason to sort of flog CNN as fake news and unfair and all of that sort of thing. So I mean, they're certainly an irony. If it really does turn out that he. Was given the answers himself in advance excuse me. It's really an irony. If it does turn out he too was given questions in advance. And you you say that starts us up told you it wasn't CNN who leaked us questions. It was not CNN supposedly, Donna Brazile got the questions from a different source, and she was actually put through a very tough interview with with Megan Kelly afterwards, the the FOX host and kind of raked over the coals for it. So the whole thing looks quite ironic in retrospect. So what does that say about Fox News? I mean, what if what you're reporting is true. What ethics did the Fox News people break by leaking list? Trump. Well, I mean, if it's a form of cheating, basically, it's a putting a thumb on the scale for one candidate in particular, and it's engaging in politics not journalism. I mean, they're supposed to be a line between being the press and being part of somebody's campaign. And and and and in the past actually, it's interesting to me that FOX has laid down that line in twenty as as recently as twenty ten I mean, FOX has always been a partisan network. It was it was founded to be kind of a conservative alternative to the mainstream media. But but a journalistic operation it, you know, it had its own motto, which was fair and balanced. And but it's changed according to a number of people, and what I was saying was is as recently as twenty ten. When it laid down the line and reprimanded, Sean Hannity for crossing it. Sean Hannity was going to appear on the stage doing a fundraiser for the tea party. And he got in a lot of trouble for doing that. And Roger Ailes said, we're not schilling for the tea party or any other party, and Rupert Murdoch himself said I don't think we should be supporting any party, including the tea party, and they kind of hung Hannity out there for doing it. But when he crossed that line again in two thousand sixteen FOX just. Issued a very kind of limp statement. And it seems like there were no repercussions. What what was the line that he crossed well, so in the very end of the midterm campaign. Right. But the night before the election was a grand final rally, and Sean Hannity was called onto the stage by Donald Trump, and he hopped up there and join Trump and was praising him as if he was a member of the Trump campaign himself and not only did he prays Trump standing up there with him. But then he castigated the other members of the press calling them fake media, and that actually even included reporters from Fox News. So there was a, you know, huge hullaballoo within the press where reporters felt like that line had been crossed. But FOX really didn't seem to it. It it is a very sort of milk, toast, reprimand, and and and. Moved on toward the end of the the piece you write about how Fox News has been preparing for the release of the mullahs report and a guest on Laura Ingraham's show Joseph Degen ova who's a lawyer who's been a frequent guest over the years on Fox News. He said it's going to be total war. And as I say to my friends, I do two things I vote and I buy guns. That's right. And I think you know, that that it's potentially very dangerous the way that FOX has talked up anger in the base to try to suggest that if law enforcement were ever to close in on President Trump that they should do something like take to the streets, and maybe even turned to violence. I mean, it's an extraordinary situation to have the single largest cable news operation in the country, airing those kinds of sentiments so in in your report. For your New Yorker story on Fox News in the Trump administration. You spoke to several people who had been apart of Fox News in various capacities. Whether it's like working behind the scenes as a producer or Booker or somebody who, you know, people who'd been commentators on there. What are some of the things you learn from from people who were really, you know, insiders and who are conservative. What was interesting was a number of them are unhappy with the direction that FOX has taken. I mean, they feel that FOX has become too much mouthpiece for President Trump that it's no longer conservative. And they worry that it's giving a platform for kind of authoritarianism. And and so, you know, you have people in the story that were on the record people like Bill Kristol who is conservative. But he is a critic of President Trump's and he used to be a contributor to Fox News. But he is no longer. He no longer has a contract with them. And he says it's changed a lot. And he feels that. It's it's really becoming propaganda. Jane mayer. It is always a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you so much and thank you for your reporting. Well, it was great to be with you. Thanks, terry. Jane Mayer is a staff writer for the New Yorker, her new article is titled the making of the Fox News White House. Our interview was recorded Wednesday. Fisher weekend is produced by Teresa Madden. Fresh Air's executive producer is Danny Miller. Our technical director and engineer is Audrey Bentham. Our interviews and reviews produced an edited by any salad. Phyllis myers. Roberta shorrock San brigger, Lauren. Crendall Heidi Simone, moves eighty they achallenge and Seth Kelly. Molly seavy nesper is our associate producer of digital media. I'm Terry gross.
Jane Mayer On The Fox News White House
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from discover who alerts you if they find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky websites. Alerts are free for card members just sign up online. Learn more at discover dot com slash free alerts. Limitations apply from WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air today. The making of the Fox News White House. That's the title of Jane Mayer's article in the New Yorker, which will talk with us about she writes about the revolving door between FOX and the White House. For instance, former Fox News executive Bill shine is now the White House deputy chief of staff for communications, he was known as the enforcer and the enabler for a very tough boss who was Roger Ailes at FOX and over at the White House. Now, he is known as the enforcer in the enabler for another very tough boss, and that is Donald Trump. And when Trump is mad at the press he has shined crackdown on reporter's one story. Mayor uncovered about Trump's attempt to stop a business deal that would be unfavorable to FOX might lead to congressional investigation. That's coming up on fresh air. Support for the spot. Cast comes from the Neubauer family foundation, supporting WHYY's, fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation has Fox News crossed the line from partisan to propaganda. That's what Jane Mayer investigates in her new article, titled the making of the Fox News White House published in the New Yorker where she's a staff writer. She says the White House and Fox News interact. So seamlessly that it can be hard to determine during a new cycle, which one is following the others lead one of the stories. She uncovered involves President Trump's attempt to get the Justice department to stop a business deal that would be unfavorable to FOX this revelation might lead to a congressional investigation. She reports that during the twenty sixteen presidential campaign FOX killed story because it would have hurt Trump's chances of winning mayor also writes about Trump's relationship with Rupert Mur. Murdoch. The Cherif Fox News and Bill shine Trump's deputy of communications who formerly served as co president of FOX, and exemplifies what mayor describes as the revolving door between FOX and the Trump White House after we recorded our interview yesterday, the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Tom Perez issued a statement that the New Yorkers reporting on the inappropriate relationship between President Trump his administration and Fox News led Peres to conclude that FOX is not an position to host a fair and neutral debate for democratic candidates and therefore would not serve as a debate host for the twenty twenty democratic primary debates Jane Mayer, welcome back to fresh air. So let me ask you about the story in your piece that's made the most news. And that's that President Trump tried to order. The Justice department to file a lawsuit to stop AT and T from acquiring Time Warner explain what Trump did. So this was in the late summer of two thousand seventeen and Trump ordered Gary Cohn who was then the head of the National Economic Council. So the top economic advisor in the White House. He ordered him to get the Justice department to file suit and stop the deal and President Trump. It was an Oval Office meeting. Trump said blocked that deal. I wanted blocked. I told you fifty times we need to get that suit filed. So you could see that the president was actually trying to interfere in the Justice Department's decision about one of the biggest deals involving billion dollar companies that have to do with news organizations, so Gary Cohn declined to do that, right? Then what happened? Well, so Gary Cohen a turn to John Kelly who had just become chief of staff on the way out the two of them were walking out of the Oval Office. And he turned to Kellyanne said don't. Shoe dare do that. This is not how we're going to do business. But what was interesting to me? Also was just a couple months later. The Justice department did intervene in that case filed suit and tried to block the deal in and it's since lost that case, but but they really did get into it. So how does this story fit into your story about the relationship between the Trump administration and Fox News? Well, so this is it's an example of a pattern that you can see which is that many decisions that have to do with regulatory matters seemed to favour Fox News, and it's it's chairman Rupert Murdoch, and that was one of the deals that took place that seemed to favour Rupert Murdoch. And it's if you bear with me for one second the reason is that Time Warner owns CNN and CNN is the rival Affleck's news. They're both. They both have cable news operations. And so by blocking that deal when the Justice department got in it really tried to hurt Time Warner and CNN by doing that. And it cost them hundreds of millions of dollars by filing that suit. So it was it was a matter that was very helpful to Rupert Murdoch. And it also was very hurtful to CNN who President Trump has been, you know, very open about disparaging. Right. So President Trump see CNN has one of the kings of fake news, and is very much any very very much has good relationship with Rupert Murdoch and Fox News. So it's got a very close relationship with Rupert Murdoch. I mean, this is one of the things that I found interesting. So I started by looking at Bill shine as I said to try to take a look at the relationship between FOX and the and the White House and what I found were. There were all these different layers of relationships that go all the way up. To the chairman of twenty th Century, Fox who was Rupert Murdoch one at the great moguls in the media world, and he has a very close relationship with President Trump. It's not always a happy relationship, but the two of them appear to speak regularly. Maybe every week some say every day, and and Rupert Murdoch Murdoch. Also speaks quite regularly as much as daily with President Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, so you've got a of these very close relationships going on. So before we get deeper into those relationships and want to get back to AT and T acquiring Time Warner, and the story that you broke about that there've been some powerful reactions to that George Conway who is married to Kellyanne Conway, and he's a lawyer, and he knows a lot about the constitution. And he tweeted that if what you wrote is proven such an attempt to us presidential authority. To seek retribution would unquestionably be be grounds for impeachment. And let's see Senator Chris van Holland tweeted. If this report is true, it's deeply troubling. Mergers. Need to be closely examined and reviewed on their merits not because the president wants to retaliate against a news organization. I'll be writing to the DOJ to get to the bottom of this and make sure it never happens again. And Adam Schiff who heads the house intelligence committee tweeted, I've long feared Trump would use the instruments of state power to carry out his vendetta against the press. He has attacked as the enemy of the people. Congress must find out what the Trump did just that by seeking to interfere in a merger or by raising postal rates on Amazon. So what do you think the outcome of this revelation about President Trump's attempt to interfere and block, the AT and T is acquisition of time. Warner might be. I think it would be very interesting to have an investigation here. It's it's hard as reporter to get a ferret out all the information. But I my sense is they would find that there's more there, the this particular anecdote that I was able to get that. That captures Trump ordering somebody who's very high up in administration to block the deal, and and get the Justice department to get in is in itself, quite eye-opening, an an an abuse of power. I think many would say, but if in fact it affected what the Justice department did an influence it. I think it's an incredibly serious matter. So you also report that FOX killed. A story because they wanted Donald Trump to win and become president. And they killed the story at a time when Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump or kind of neck and neck in the polls, and the story has to do with stormy Daniels. Explain the story that Fox News killed so this was in a Tober twenty sixteen and so right before the election and a reporter at Fox, News dot com. Had the story of the fact that the president was using his lawyer to pay off a porn star. With whom the president had had an affair and that they were trying to silence. This porn star. Stormy Daniels by paying her off. And that there was an actual contract which the reporter saw. And so the reporter whose name is Diana fell zone had I caught wind of this in March, and she had been reporting all the way up through October. And she was pushing to get her story in print or on the website at FOX, and she kept getting a run around from her editors there, eventually she was getting more and more frustrated and worried the election was approaching. She thought it was something voters should should at least be able to consider and she reached the editor in charge of the website amend, Ken Lacorte. And according to what she told her friends and colleagues at the time. And I've interviewed them Ken Lacorte said to her good reporting Kitto, but Rupert Murdoch wants Donald Trump to win. So just leave it alone. And that was the end of the story was shelved. So in an another related story that she broke and that FOX did not put on the air was that the inquirer was doing catch and kill stories with other women who had had sexual relations or or alleged they had sexual relations with the president and catch and kill again. So on a tabloid buys a story by the exclusive rights to a source story with the intention of never publishing it event. You know, effectively really killing the story. So FOX didn't go with that either. What was the reason for that? It's all of a piece, basically, which was that that what she was hearing was that FOX did not want to stand in the way of Trump getting elected president. In fact, at wanted to help him get elected president and the word. She was getting was this came straight down from the top from Rupert Murdoch. She was a young reporter not long after that. At she was demoted. She eventually filed suit, and as part of the suit she had to sign a nondisclosure agreement where she's not allowed to tell the story to how did you get it? I reported. I I spoke with her lawyer who said she couldn't comment, but she confirmed that there was such a settlement, and I spoke with a friend in which the reporter confided, and I also confirmed it with someone she was working with at the time who's quoted by name in the story. His name's Nick Ritchie. And interestingly, he he was somebody who ran the kind of a gossip blog site in Hollywood. And he is a Trump supporter, and he is a fan of Fox News. But nonetheless, he said Diana fell zone. Had the story. She did her homework, and he said to me, I told her FOX would never run it. But he also said he thought that it would have swayed the election if she'd been able to get it out there. So at the risk of perhaps, stating the obvious. I am what does it say that Fox News. Is alleged to have killed a story because it would hurt Trump's chances of winning the presidency. Well, I I mean, put it this way. It makes it not a regular news organization. Not like any I've ever worked for specifically. And it it it makes it's what its critics say. Is that FOX is is an arm of the White House. It's it's part. It's a mouthpiece for Trump. So getting back to Bill shine who became director of communications and deputy chief of staff in July of twenty eight teen he had been the co president of Fox News after Ailes was forced out. And I think well Ailes was president shine had been as number two. He was named in several lawsuits that has shine was named in several lawsuits by women who allege that Roger Ailes had sexually harassed them. They described China's being complicit in the culture of cover-ups, payoffs and victim intimidation he had also formerly been Sean Hannity's producer, so. How has white husky mutations? With the press changed under Bill shine. Well, people would argue that it's become increasingly difficult to get information from daily briefings, Sarah, Huckabee Sanders, has pretty much shut down most of the daily briefings for the press and that instead she started appearing quite frequently on Fox News where she gets softball questions. So a number of Trump administration officials, including Sanders have started popping up on Fox News rather than being available to the press corps at large. Yeah. You have some numbers. You remember them comparing the number of times and Trump has appeared on Fox News compared to other new shows and news network. Yeah. And the other thing that you can see easily is that Fox News has become very much the the favored Goto network for the Trump administration officials, including Trump. Self. So you've got Sean Hannity has now had something like forty four interviews with President Trump himself that's in comparison with just ten combined for all the other television networks and CNN which President Trump doesn't like has been given. No interviews. I mean, this is very unusual. I go back to covering the White House in the Reagan days, and they always tried to sort of play fair and distribute the interviews evenly, but you've really got one network that is almost inside the White House. Bill shine has also taken a punitive approach to members of the press who are seen as being too critical of President Trump like Jim Acosta. That's right. I mean when an and I think this goes back to who Jim Acosta of CNN, I should say CNN's White House. Correspondent sure this in a way goes back to what Bill shine was like when he was at FOX. He was known as the enforcer and the enabler for a very tough boss who was Roger Ailes at FOX and over at the White House. Now, he is known as the enforcer in the enabler for another very tough boss, and that is Donald Trump. And when Trump is mad at the press which happens quite frequently. He has shined crackdown on reporters and so- shine took the step of trying to strip the credentials away from Jim Acosta, the aggressive White House reporter that CNN has over there shine. Also, he claimed disinvited is the word that he wanted to you. Use Kaitlan Collins who was a CNN reporter is a CNN reporter covering the White House barred her from covering a rose garden statement that the president was making even though she was the pool reporter that day. And he's he's also tried to crack down on the New York Times. He was quite threatening to Peter Baker. Who is a veteran reporter for the times covering the White House and someone reported to shine that Peter Baker head laughed at a an amusing moment in a summit where the president of Japan had complimented President Trump on his historic victory in the midterm elections. And as we all know, it was actually quite a terrible defeat for Trump in the midterm elections. And so Peter Baker evidently smiled, but was reported to have left. This was reported to Bill shine. The director of White House communications who berated Peter Baker. And said did you laugh have you left? Now, did you laugh earlier in the day and poked a finger in his face and Baker had to I think it was quite threatening had to come up with a tape that an audiotape that he shared with Bill shine to show that actually there was no sign or sound of laughter. It ended amicably I should say on on on behalf of all of their parts and Baker declined to comment about it. But, you know, this is again, it's it's a it's a kind of intimidating thing. It's a it's it's treating the press as the president often describes them as enemies of the people. Let's get back to the relationship between Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of Fox News, and and President Trump their relationship goes back to nineteen seventy five when Murdoch bought the New York Post, the tabloid in New York and Murdoch and Trump were brought together boy by ROY Cohn who had been something of a mentor to Trump and his most famous for having been Senator McCarthy's chief counsel during the witch hunt, for communists, and communist sympathizers. So what what did Cohn c- is the potential synergy by bringing Murdoch and Trump together he thought that there was a great kind of deal that these two could strike where Trump would grow famous get celebrity from the New York Post his exploits could run on page six gossip section of the New York Post and Trump was kind of a famous playboy. And it would it would you? Raise his public image, and and Rupert Murdoch who was just really launching page six at the New York Post would have great copy could sell copies of his paper and make money off things. So that was the origin of the relationship between these two men. And as you say it goes way back to the seventies. You also write that in private at that time Murdoch regarded Trump with disdain seeing him as a real estate huckster and shady casino operator. As I read that line. I was trying to imagine Trump reading this article in reading that line if he didn't know that in private Murdoch had regarded him that way, I think their relationship is better now, but still I you don't know the answer to that. I'm sure, but it sure made me wonder, well, you know, the thing is that a- Trump from what I understand. And I did, you know tons of reporting for this piece, but Trump knows that Rupert. Murdoch has often disparaged him behind his back. And and and that he that Rupert Murdoch loves to dine out on stories about inane things that Trump has said, and Rupert Murdoch shares it with his friends at dinner parties, and and and and Michael Wolff in his book on on the Trump White House, actually quoted of Murdoch as describing Trump as a expeditive deleted idiot. And so certainly President Trump knows that Rupert Murdoch is not always worshipful of him. But what I was told was that that the Trump is okay with it. He, you know. And and that he he has made his peace with that. And I think in part it's also because Trump really needs Murdoch Trump really needs FOX. And and he burdock is an incredibly. Powerful figure in the media world at this point. And and he has his his audience is the Trump base. My guest is investigative reporter. Jane Mayer, a staff writer for the New Yorker her latest piece in the New Yorker is titled the making of the Fox News White House. We'll talk more about the relationship between President Trump has White House and Fox News after we take a short break. I'm Terry gross. And this is fresh air. This message comes from NPR sponsor wicks dot com with wicks you can create your very own professional website, choose a designer made simply or let wicks artificial design intelligence build your site for you with advanced design features. You can tell your story exactly the way you want. It's easy to start a blog an online store or create innovates, and you can share it all on social media in a click. Get started now by going to wicks dot com. That's W I X dot com slash fresh air to get ten percent. Off. Let's get back to my interview with investigative reporter Jane Mayer, her new article, the making of the Fox News White House is published in the New Yorker where she's a staff writer. It's about the close connections between President Trump and Fox News and the revolving door between the two when we left off we were talking about the long relationship between Trump and Fox News chair Rupert Murdoch. So in nineteen Ninety-six Rupert Murdoch hires Roger Ailes to create Fox News, and then Trump starts making regular appearances in two thousand eleven and you read a little bit about how that change things at Fox News. Yes. So when when Trump was asked on one of the first things he started talking about in twenty eleven was this birtherism issue the challenging whether or not President Obama was offensively born in America. And it was an issue that had been kicking around on the fringes of American politics. But even the hosts at FOX, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck at the time. We both had shows then the both of them thought it was an idiotic subject. And they they, you know, had kind of knocked the whole idea of it is ridiculous. But when Trump comes on FOX, he starts pushing it, and and FOX gives him a national platform to push it, and you begin to hear Sean Hannity pick up on it too. So you begin to see the the the kind of the beginnings of what was going to be the the the later ish kinds of issues that Trump pushed in his own campaign. Have you been watching a lot of FOX? News while reply. So so much bucks this morning day and night for people who aren't watching Fox News. What are some of the counter narratives, Fox News is offering? Well, it's really it's it's like an alternative universe. I hadn't realized till I really started watching it so much how how completely different the narrative is on FOX. But it explains a lot about what's going on in American politics. I recommend people take a look at it because you'll understand much better. I what it's got going on is is you know, kind of an explanation. An a an argument for for why everything that you see on the mainstream media is wrong. And so the basic storyline is that Robert Muller's investigation is the witch hunt that Trump talks about that. This deep state is trying to push a coup in the country to push out Trump that. All the investigations into Trump are corrupt and that the law enforcement agencies that are undertaking them, the FBI or or or whatever that the they're the crooks rather than Trump and the people around him. It's just a completely opposite viewpoint from what you would get in. Most of the other news organizations is Fox News still advocating for further investigation into Hillary Clinton and her E mail server, it is, but I get the feeling that that may be losing a little bit of juice, but even even as of a week or two ago, they were still saying I think was Sean Hannity was saying that if the Justice department doesn't open an investigation into Hillary Clinton, the constitution will be shredded. So it's that kind of thing that you're gonna see on on Fox News still, and and many other kind of odd conspiracy theories that that sort of explain away any kind of criticism of Trump. There are several people who have gone from Fox News into the Trump administration. Some of them have left the administration can talk a little bit about that cross pollination. Yeah, there there's almost a revolving door there you've got an an and in other administrations to be fair. There have been people who've gone from news organizations to go work in in white houses before you know, we think of Jay Carney. For instance, went from time magazine to go work in the Obama White House, but what you see in the Trump White House. That's a little different is that many of the people who were talking heads on FOX are assuming important positions of all sorts. Not just press positions. Can you give us some examples? Sure. So you've got John Bolton who's now the national security adviser, and he had come from a from FOX. You've got a Ben Carson who's now the secretary. Of of housing and urban development. He came from FOX you've got the under the deputy national security adviser who also came from FOX, you had the of ambassador to the United Nations, Heather new art who was appointed by Trump, but she didn't get confirmed, she withdrew herself. But she was also a talking head on FOX. These are all very complicated positions major positions in administration. They're not just press kinds of positions. And and and there just seems to be one after another there, and you also see people going from the Trump administration back onto FOX. So you would see Sebastian Gorka who was in the Trump administration's national Security Council and until just a couple of days ago. He was very often on FOX as a supposedly independent commentator. Another example is hope Hicks who was the White House communique. Nations director and now has become the top communications director for twenty-first century. Fox Lou Dobbs who host a show on Fox News and his very anti immigration. You say he's been patched into Oval Office meetings. And he he's, you know, he's a host on Fox News. Exactly. I mean, some of the people who are the the still hosting shows on FOX are are seen by many of the people who are in and around the White House, including some of the White House staff is basically being a shadow cabinet. So you've got Lou Dobbs being patched in two Oval Office meetings and the same thing with Sean Hannity, who's got a kind of a uniquely powerful role in in the White House so much so that people refer to him as the shadow chief of staff, they talk fr- frequently after Hannity show right hadn't he's told people that that he and President Trump speak almost every night after Hannity show. That's a very unusual relationship. Isn't it? I I've I've never heard of anything like it in any other White House. I mean, they've been in past one houses there there've been favored members of the press. But but nothing where someone is so close in that they are coordinating on a daily basis with the president. Let me we introduced you here. If you're just joining us, my guest is Jane Mayer. She's a staff writer for the New Yorker, her new piece is called the making of the Fox News White House. We'll be right back. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from state farm, who's agents know that your car and home are more than just big purchases. They're a big part of your life. You put the time into making them your own. So now, it's time to protect them with your own personal state farm agent. Not only do they truly get you. But they'll be there for you. When you need them. And with over nineteen thousand agents in neighborhoods across the US. There could be one just around the corner. More at state farm dot com or one eight hundred state farm state farm here to help life go right on so many parameter Latino USA an NPR Gillis by I guess, he symphony unions, the Latinos ill-at-ease, elusive snows needles. Nosotros demos SIC's story. ES has experience. Yes. Got us him on in that an NPR one on this just who's podcasts. Let's get back to my interview with Jane Mayer a staff writer for the New Yorker, her new pieces called the making of the Fox News White House. Your report the Donald Trump was tipped off about a couple of key questions in the debates. What were those questions and how was he tipped off? So this this is a report that's based on several FOX insiders to to who suggest that they have the information from an eyewitness who saw Roger Ailes tip off Trump prior to the big Republican presidential debate in twenty fifteen. It was August twenty fifteen where where Trump was you know, all eyes were on Trump to see whether he could sort of hold his own, and he was given a famously tough question by FOX host Megan Kelly. Ali who asked him about his the the way he had disparaged women and supposedly mistreated women, and and it was a very tough question, and and Trump handled it quite well, he broke the audience up in laughter with a quick one line rejoinder where he said the only women that he spoke poorly of was just Rosie O'Donnell and the the hall just blew up in laughter. Everybody thought that was an example of how how Trump could think quickly on his feet and occasionally flash some charm and survive almost any kind of a salt from the press. But according to a couple of people I interviewed who were insiders at FOX. And in addition somebody in the Trump campaign, they've they can they say that Trump had gotten advance notice of this question is the implication that may be somebody helped him come up with the Rosie O'Donnell rejoinder or that maybe. He had he'd rehearsed it, I mean, it's it's hard to know. I don't have that. From anyone saying that they specifically know that? But several people say that Roger ills was overheard telling Trump himself that he should get ready for that question. You know in talking about leaking debate questions to to Donald Trump when Donna Brazile who'd been a democratic operative was also working with CNN and was I think working as a commentator, then she leaked questions to the Hillary Clinton campaign that will go into be asked on the debate. What did candidate Trump have to say when he learned that? Oh, I mean, he he is used it as a a a reason to sort of flog CNN as fake news and unfair and all of that sort of thing. So I mean, there's certainly an irony. If it really does turn out that he was given the answers himself in advance. Excuse me. It's really an irony. If it does turn out heat too was given questions in advance. And you you say that starts us up told you it wasn't CNN who leaked us questions. It was not CNN supposedly, Donna Brazile got the questions from a different source, and she was actually put through a very tough interview with with Megan Kelly afterwards, the the FOX host and kind of raked over the coals for it. So the whole thing looks quite ironic, and in retrospect. So what does that say about Fox News? I mean, what if what you're reporting is true. What ethics did the Fox News people break by leaking list to Trump? Well, I mean, if it's it's a form of cheating, basically, it's a pudding a thumb on the scale for one candidate in particular, and it's engaging in politics not journalism. I mean, they're supposed to be a line between being the press and being part of somebody's campaign. And and and and in the past actually, it's interesting to me that FOX has laid down that line in twenty as as recently as twenty ten I mean, FOX has always been a partisan network. It was it was founded to be kind of a conservative alternative to the mainstream media. But but a journalistic operation it, you know, it had its own motto which was fair and balanced, and but it's changed according to a number of people, and and what I was saying. Is as recently as twenty ten it laid down the line and reprimanded Sean Hannity for crossing. It. Sean Hannity was going to appear on the stage doing a fundraiser for the tea party. And he got in a lot of trouble for doing that. And Roger Ailes said, we're not schilling for the tea party or any other party, and Rupert Murdoch himself said I don't think we should be supporting any party, including the tea party, and and and they kind of hung Hannity out there for doing it. But when he crossed that line again in two thousand sixteen FOX just. Issued a very kind of limp statement, and it it it seems like there were sort no repercussions. What what was the line that he crossed well, so in the very end of the midterm campaign. Right. But the night before the election. There was a grand final rally, and Sean Hannity was called onto the stage by Donald Trump, and he hopped up there and join Trump and was praising him as if he was a member of the Trump campaign himself and not only did he prays Trump standing up there with him. But then he castigated the other members of the press calling them fake media, and that actually even included reporters from Fox News. So there was a, you know, huge hullabaloo within the press where reporters felt like that line had been crossed. But FOX really didn't seem to it issued a very sort of milk toast. They reprimand and and and moved on toward the end of the of the piece you write about how Fox News has been preparing for the release of the mullahs report and a guest on Laura Ingraham's show Joseph Degen ova who's a lawyer who's been a frequent guest over the years on Fox News. He said it's going to be total war. And as I say to my friends, I do two things I vote and I buy guns. That's that's right. And and I think you know, that that it's potentially very dangerous the way that FOX has talked up anger in the base to try to suggest that if if law enforcement were ever to close in on President Trump that that that they should do something like take to the streets, and maybe even turned to violence. I I mean, it's an extraordinary situation to have the single largest cable news. News operation in the country, airing those kinds of sentiments so in your reporting for your New Yorker story on Fox News in the Trump administration. You spoke to several people who had been apart of Fox News in various capacities. Whether it's working behind the scenes as a producer or Booker or somebody who, you know, people who'd been commentators on there. What are some of the things you learn from from people who were really, you know, insiders and who are conservative. We'll I what was interesting was a number of them are unhappy with the direction that FOX has taken. I mean, they feel that FOX has become too much mouthpiece for President Trump that it's no longer conservative. And they worry that it's giving a platform for kind of authoritarianism. And and so, you know, you have people in the story that were on the record people like Bill Kristol who is conservative. But he is a critic of President Trump's and he used to be a contributor to Fox News. News. But he is no longer. He no longer has the contract with them, and or an-, and he says, it's changed a lot. And and he feels that it's it's it's really becoming propaganda. So I have to ask you a question about Laura Ingram. This is this is this is a departure from your piece as a piece about you a profile of you and L magazine, and then a profile it says that when you went off on a reporting trip your boyfriend at that time took up with Laura Ingram. The fact that you, you know, that you're reporting on her known yours shorting on Fox News. I just makes my head spin Monto. It was. It. It was I think something like thirty years ago, and I've been happily married for I think twenty six ever since to somebody else but to somebody else. So, you know. Yeah. That was it was ancient history. And I mean, I have to say it was a situation where I got my dog, and she got the guy, and I kind of think I got the better end of the deal you because she had taken she the guy had taken the dog. And you got the dog back. I did actually. Yeah. Wishy political at the time. Did you have any clue who she would become? I think she was pretty political at the time. I mean, she was a summer associate in in my boyfriend's law firm that was what was going on. But I think she'd already I think she'd clerked maybe for Clarence Thomas, but give given that back history. I was pretty careful to stay away from writing about her in in this piece there, I think it's a piece that's about eleven thousand words, and I think she. He gets to mentions along the way. Let me reintroduce you here. If you're just joining us. My guest is Jane Mayer. She's a staff writer for the New Yorker, her new piece is called the making of the Fox News White House. We'll be right back. And when we come back, we're going to talk about some of her reporting on the Brett Cavanaugh hearings and the women who accused him of sexual harassment or assault. This is fresh air support for NPR and the following message. Come from gusto, small business owners where a lot of hats. And some hats are great. But some like filing taxes and running payroll, for example, not so much. That's where gusto comes in gusto provides payroll benefits and HR built for small businesses. They calculate pay and file your federal state and local payroll taxes automatically. So you don't have to plus you can use gusto to offer add on health benefits. More at gusto dot com slash NPR. Let's get back to my interview with Jane Mayer, a staff writer for the New Yorker who knew piece is called the making of. The Fox News White House. I want to get to some earlier reporting you did in in the recent past and this to do with the Brett Cavanaugh confirmation hearings, you reported with Ronan Farrow about Christine Blasi Ford's accusation that when she and Brett or Rwandan were in high school he and another young man sexually assaulted her. And then you reported on Deborah Mira's coming forward and saying that at a party, and I think they were both in college at the time he exposed himself and took out his penis and stuck it in her face. Here's my question, you the New Yorker is famous for its rigorous fact checking so I assume on the New Yorker goes to press with something that it's been rigorously fact checked I want you to compare the kind of factor acting you went through for your pieces of but the women who came forward about bread. Final with the kind of fact checking you observed the Senate Judiciary committee having done for the confirmation hearings. Well, I mean, it it. It was so frustrating because we were all told in this country that the FBI was going to be doing a background check. And and looking deeply into the allegations that were had been lodged by variety of women against Justice Cavanaugh. And and instead, it it it really wasn't affect finding effort it. It was just a political fight going on. And there was no really serious effort to get beneath the surface. I don't know if you've done follow up spun. I I wonder what's happened to these two women. You know, Brad Kavanagh's supreme court Justice. No, I know Christine Blasi Ford had to move at least a couple of. Times for her own self protection. Do you know what her situation is now or what Deborah Ramirez a situation, as you know, I I've I hear through the grapevine that Christine Blasi Ford, you know, changes her mind from moment to moment about whether she feels it was worth it to have come forward, and some days feels good about it, and some days doesn't and understandably I think you're talking about the in terms of the toll it's taken on her life not about in terms of. Yeah. I don't mean that she has any doubts about about the credibility of her story. I think it's just that it was it it it just was so personally draining to be put into this position. And she was trying to do what she thought was. Right. But you know, she was she's she's had to go through a lot because of it. I I hear that Deborah Ramirez. Who was the woman at Yale was the. She feels really good about it that she she she feels that. She did the right thing. She tried to tell the truth. She tried to get the information to the public, and then it was out of her hands. And I think she probably would have liked to have a an actual thorough investigation. She called for the FBI to do that. And I'm sure she was disappointed that the FBI never did a thorough investigation. But at least she feels very good about having tried to play her part and do the right thing you co wrote a terrific book about Clarence Thomas and the women who came forward about him. And what the Senate Judiciary confirmation hearings were like for him. And then you did subsequent reporting on that. So I can you compare how the judiciary committee's in the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and in the cavenaugh hearings a handle these women coming forward. I know a lot of people thought well. The Clarence Thomas hearings. That was you know, that was in the past that was before the metoo movement. Things would be really different today. If women came forward, we're they very different. No. I mean to my amazement it was almost like a replay. I just I just couldn't believe we haven't come further in the one difference is the Republicans on the committee who include a number of Evers who were still on the committee way back when Clarence Thomas was in front of them, the co- the Republicans figured out that they needed to have a woman do the questioning for them. So they brought in a woman to ask the tough questions, but other than that, it was just so much the same, and and the posturing and the anger, and you know, it was just it was it was it really felt like a a replay to me. I thought it was depressing to see that we haven't come further. So now, we have two justices on the supreme court with with a with a shadow hanging over them. Like, a shadow of doubt. Like if these women are to be believed in need a hill and other women who accuse Clarence Thomas sex. Jewel harassment, and Deborah Ramirez and Christine Blasi Ford in in in in the case of Brad Kavanagh, if they're to be believed, then you know, we have two justices who were sexual harassers, and, you know, many people believe that Anita hill and the women who came forward in the bread cavenaugh hearings were never really taken seriously enough that they were never there assertions were never thoroughly vetted enough. So and now it's kind of like it's a done deal. It's I mean, the the problem is it's so undercuts the credibility and the prestige of the supreme court to have these questions unanswered the way, they were they just in both cases, the the the supporters of the justices just push those confirmations through in a very political hardball way. And did not really look deeply into the allegations. And so the the the, you know, the public never will there really is doubt hanging over to to the justices on the court. My feeling is a as a reporter someone who's just you know out here sort of trying to figure out what the truth is every day. My my feeling is over time. The truth comes out, and I wouldn't be surprised if the public will eventually learn a lot more about the capital story there. I think there are several books being done about him now. And I think the public knows a lot more about the Clarence Thomas story now. In fact, there was an interview with Anita hill nut very long ago where she was asked whether she regretted what she had done in coming in and testifying against him. And she said, the the truth matters, the truth is the only thing that matters and an an I agree that the truth really matters, regardless. Jane Mayer, it is always a pleasure to talk with you. Thank you so much and thank you for your reporting. Well, it was great to be with you. Thanks, terry. 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Dot co and. If you're feeling generous winning get to the how did you hear about pod. Go section of the application. You could put down quick news daily so they know who censure all right. let's get on with the show. Hello again everyone once again coming off the long weekend. Today is monday december seventh. And this wouldn't be a new show. Unless i played the most cliche sound soundbite that every show plays on this date. Nineteen twenty one a date which will live in infamy. Yes it has been seventy nine years since the attack on pearl harbor and i actually forget how many people died. Two thousand three hundred. Thirty five servicemen. Plus sixty eight civilians there also one one hundred and forty three service members and thirty five civilians wounded with three civilian aircraft being shot down. I honestly don't know which one would be worse. The people caught on the seeking battleships or even worse trapped inside for hours as they slowly sunk or to be some random dude out for a sunday morning flight with my new plane and then out of nowhere. Here comes the japanese army shooting at me. I choose neither. Certainly our thoughts go out to any family. Members still affected by this so many years later as for the rest of our show. It's certainly a more internationally focused show than usual with stops in france and south korea. Let's get right to it and get caught up. In fact we'll start in france where they've had some pretty substantial protests these past two weeks. This article says quote who did anarchists launch projectiles at riot. Police smashed up shopfronts torched cars and burned barricades during a demonstration in the french capital on saturday night against police. Violence and a draft security law and the police then took those as invitations to launch. Tear gas in charge at the protesters. Sure with clubs and riot shields or something of that sort. Other protests took place in marseille and french cities. but they're not paris so our american new services don't really ask for details on those. The official story for the paris demonstrations is that they started peacefully with folks waving banners. That said things like france land of police rights and withdrawal of the security law. Then police said five hundred hoodlums or riders depending on the translation joined in on the protests. Which is when the violence quote unquote. Big air quotes. There started happening in the end. Thirty people had been arrested by the end of the day. So what's the reason for these protests one is that the president emmanuel macron is advocating a new bill that wants to increase surveillance tools and restrict sharing of images of police in the media and online boy. Doesn't that sound like a fun little mix. The police can watch you and do who knows. What with your personal information. Maybe even your picture but you can't share pictures of the police are the widow. Police officers scared of consequences for their actions. And it's not like the protesters are just protesting something. Theoretical as recently as the end of november video footage came out of the police beating up music producer. Michael mckell zek lawyer. Who is black. I'm honestly pretty disappointed by macaroni. Here i was really helpful for him since he won with like sixty six percent of the vote. But i guess maybe because he was going against a right wing crazy. He got that much. Although if that happened in america the right wing crazy would have one. I also read this really interesting article from a journalist who followed him throughout the campaign and in the early days of his presidency and there was this awesome behind the scenes documentary about his campaign in macron really seemed like a great new leader like a new style of leader. That's why it's just so disappointing to see him make this turn. There was one thing that i never understood just a few weeks. After macron took office his approval rating was like in the high twenty s or mid. Thirty somewhere in there and they're not like us in france. They're smart. They only have a week or two from the election until the new guy takes office or woman so he just immediately went down like forty points. What's up with that french listeners. You gotta help me out here back to this bill. Though apparently he's already gearing up for the two thousand twenty two election so this bill is part of his pitch to seem like a tough law and order guy thanks richard nixon. He's not totally oblivious. Though because after macron saw that these protests were ramping up he set on friday that of course people of color are more likely to be stopped by police for. Id checks dan. They're white fellow citizens and he promised the creation of analysis platform for people to log unwarranted searches. However the police saw this for what it probably was a political flipflop so the police unions got all up in a half about that and said macron's comments were shameful and they also denied that they are racist. You know you're always in the winning position if you have to say we're not racist. we promise. One of the police unions also threatened to halt random checks at the border that are designed to stop people from going to swiss spanish ski resorts which are hot spots for covert infections may be a french listener again. Can explain this better but this seems like a weird threat to me like yeah. We beat up people that we stop on the streets and of course we're gonna randomly stop all the minorities and none of the white people so of course things are going to end up badly. So you know what we won't do them honestly. It sounds like accidentally stumbling into the right answer but realistically making both the people and the police mad is pretty dangerous. And i would be nervous if i were i. Hope he treads carefully. And ends up redeeming himself here. Let's keep that international theme rolling and check in with south korea where they're seeing their covert infections. Reach a nine month high to me. This story is actually less about south korea and more about how bad our country's response has been in their country. they're imposing restrictions for three weeks. These restrictions include a curfew for businesses cutting down public transportation which is mainly people get around banning gatherings of more than fifty people closing gyms and karaoke bars requiring religious services to be online and stricter rules for schools. Dining in restaurants will still be allowed but the government is urging people to avoid it if possible. I think the craziest thing is that these new rules are because they had six hundred thirty one new cases on saturday which was their highest since the early days like february march in the entire country six hundred and thirty one their total numbers for the entire pandemic are thirty seven thousand five hundred forty six cases and five hundred forty five deaths that is incredible and the thing about these new restrictions is that they mean that they were allowed to do these things until now all this gathering and stuff they were living normally just to be clear yes they are a smaller country than us but check this out there. Population is about fifty one million people so six hundred and thirty one new cases means that about point. Zero zero one percent of the population tested positive for the day on saturday. And that's what spook them. That's what got them nervous. The us on the other hand averages about one hundred thousand cases a day now and we have a population of about three hundred thirty million. That means that each day point zero three percent of our tests. Come back positive. If you're following along at home with your calculator that means that are positive. Tests percentage per day is about thirty times. they're positive percentage and here like half. The country are more is just living life like they normally do without a care in the world. I guess that's why. South korea has lost five hundred forty five citizens and we've just crossed two hundred eighty two thousand deaths in the us. Now one thing. I decided over the weekend that trump is not really relevant anymore so that music will be my transition music to let you know. We've entered the segment about trump on the show bath. He is still the president for a little over month. Meaning he's still technically important and don't get me wrong. He can mess up a lot of stuff but at this point this is pretty much just can be for comedy over the weekend. Forbes had some good reporting about trump's relationship with twitter. I there was a story pointing out that trump's twitter has been losing followers at a pretty decent pace. He reached his peak number of followers november seventeenth with his follower count and almost eighty nine million everyday since then he's had a net loss of followers before this. He never had a net loss for more than two consecutive days in total. He's down about two hundred and twenty thousand followers from that peak. That's still way more than he should have. But it's progress. Maybe that's just the first wave of russian bonds to shut down their accounts who knows forbes also pointed out that in the past two weeks. Trump hasn't tweeted anything about corona virus. But he has tweeted about election fraud ninety seven times ninety seven times. What a narcissistic psychopath. They also calculated that in the two days after the election twitter labeled fifty percent of his tweets with all sorts of warnings about the tweet containing misinformation. He's literally just like your regular crazy family member on facebook except he's in the most powerful job in the world however afternoon on january twentieth. He won't be in that job. Meaning he won't qualify for twitter's dumb ass world leaders policy which is just a stupid policy that they have where. They've said that they won't take down a tweet. That breaks their rules if a world leader is the one that posts it because most people wanna see what their leader is saying. That's maybe the dumbest thing i've ever heard. I'm sure several democratic politicians or celebrities have been super close to being hurt by one of his crazy followers because he's attacked them on twitter. I mean that guy who mailed the bombs back in twenty eighteen meld them to pretty much. Everyone trump attacked on his twitter feed. I mean just personally. I truly believe that back. When trump and kim jong hoon were tweeting back and forth about the size of their. I mean their nuclear launch buttons twitter. Would've let them start a nuclear war. Just because they didn't want deleted tweets that will get pretty much any one of us arrested but anyways since trump won't be the world leader after january twentieth. Twitter confirmed that he'll have to follow the same. Rules has all of us. There aren't any set rules for punishment but it usually goes twitter blocking your account until you delete the tweet for your first defense temporarily freezing your account for the second offense then yada yada yada eventually. They delete your account. I don't think it's much of a secret that don't like trump twitter but the cynical part of me says that they probably never had more free advertising than they have since he started his campaign in twenty fifteen when i see it but the sweet sweet prospect of trump. Getting band is something. I'll be fantasizing about forbes. Said that twitter wouldn't discuss if they've had internal discussions about what they do if they reached the point where they have to ban him which means that they've definitely had internal discussions about what they do if they had to ban him. We'll just have to see if they rise to the occasion. What we can't let the media do is follow trump to whatever platform he goes to next. I doubt mark zuckerberg will ever ban him from facebook. And god knows that cunanan crazy town parlor never will so the media really has to calm itself down and refuse to follow his accounts there if he gets banned from twitter. The last bit of news here is that speaking of twitter trump announced in a tweet. That rudy giuliani has covid and sources. Say that he was admitted to georgetown university hospital on sunday. The worst part of the news is that he spent all week z. The country trying to get states to ignore the constitution and declare trump the winner in that state just because meaning he was probably covert positive at some point in spreading it everywhere. He went during that time. Thanks mr mayor alright folks. That'll do it for this monday episode. Thank you to everyone who read and or shared my latest story from me comparing the current. Gop to the rise of the nazi party. I m making that available on the regular website with no paywall. So if you haven't had a chance to read the story yet you can visit quick news. Daily dot com to do so right. Now i do want to give a heads up that. I will most likely be skipping show on wednesday or thursday this week because thursday is looking pretty busy so i don't know yet if i wanna get a show on wednesday and then do my work after or fellow and do everything on wednesday and then only do a show on thursday in any case. Just don't be surprised if you don't see new episode on one of those days. And in general i would ask for your patience with me over the next two weeks because it's the end of the semester appear always gets a little crazy in other quick news. It is monday. So let's take some time to acknowledge our contributors producer. Cathy and executive producer. Gwen thank you so much for your support. Both of you and to all the listeners out there any support means just the world to this show with that in mind. I also want to thank our sources for today's show. The stories about france and south korea came from reuters and the twitter stories came from jack brewster and tummy beer. Tammy beer from forbes all right everyone that is the lay of the land. Stay safe out there and they'll see mbeki tomorrow. Today is tuesday december eighth. Thanks for choosing quick news daily for our stories today. They may seem like they're all local stories or stories that only affect a certain community or city or state. But what i try to do on the show. Explain how. Everything is connected. We really do have an impact on people everywhere around the world is just so interconnected now because of the internet and transportation being easier well in a non covert world so i think it's crucial to try and cover stories from almost anywhere and i'll try to show you what i mean by that today without further. Ado let's get caught up. Let's start with a scary situation. That went down in florida yesterday. That was all because of a small week. Pathetic governor. maybe for all of you florida listeners. I'm sure it's no secret down there that governor rhonda sanchez. Whose face just says. My wife doesn't love me has handled corona virus. absolutely terribly. He tried to deny it and keep everything open for as long as he could end because he went full trump. Many people died. That didn't need to die. I mean he did this knowing that. He's the governor of the retirement capital of the us based on that. I'm sure it won't surprise you if i tell you that. He hasn't exactly been transparent with reporting the cove stats in his state. in fact he was. So misleading that thankfully the geographic information system manager for the florida department of health spoke out but got fired for it since that time. This employee named rebecca johns decided to create her own website that reports information about florida's covert numbers including the numbers for hospital bed availability for a specific facilities and nationwide cova cases by school which to santa's did not allow to be released publicly and all or at least until he absolutely had to well. yesterday morning. The florida department of law enforcement raided her house at eight thirty a. M with guns drawn because they said that jones hacked into the state email system and sent a message to other government employees which isn't allowed because that system is supposed to be for inside only or so the law enforcement says they say that they entered the home so forcefully because jones wasn't opening the door and hung up on an agent who tried to call but jones says that she was taking her time opening the door because she was getting dressed since she thought she was being arrested. It's not confirmed that this raid was ordered by disentis himself but it does seem pretty suspicious. That these officers on this raid were so heavily armed for a data-breach bake air quotes around that that was really just an email telling other employees to not be afraid to speak out. Jones denies that she even wrote the email. And i think that she's hinting at this email. Being part of a plot to frame her and silencer for reporting these numbers. I think the most unforgivable part of this is that these thugs came in and pointed guns at her and her kids including her two year old. What does that accomplish. Is the baby really a threat. Jones thinks that this wasn't really about the email and that it was more to her into silence and stopping her work on the covid website. I think that certainly makes sense. She also thinks it's funny that she's being accused of being a hacker because quote publicly said. I'm not a data scientist. I'm not a computer scientist. And i wouldn't even know what to do. If i saw a database and quote he said back in may after she was first fired. That's sort of to face detect that trump uses. It's like when he said that john bolton's book was nothing but a bunch of lies but at the exact same time. He was suing bolton revealing classified national security information in the book. How can it be lies. But also contain the super secret national security info. The bunch of lies attack is just for fox news to play clips of on their shows in the national security. Accusation is for the courts. I think my favorite quote of hers is when she said quote. I'm not a hacker. I don't hack. I don't know bleep about computers. I know how to do statistics. I think i'm going to put that on my resume. Actually she also said quote. I'm going to buy another computer tomorrow. And go back to work and so good for her for still being determined. Let's actually listen to a bit of her on cuomo primetime last night. The santa's needs to worry less about what i'm writing about more about the people who are sick and dying in a state and doing this to me will not stop me from reporting the data. Isn't that kind of metal. As far as politics stuff goes all in all. I'm not quite sure what to think on this one. I think maybe two things could be true at once. This rate could be a show of force by desanta silencer and or frame her and maybe she's not being completely truthful either. I think it is too early to judge but her story of coming to the door seems just a little bit weak the email also sounds like it would have been written by her but she says the stats and the email are wrong still lower than what they actually were which could point to the framing theory. I just can't get over the gun in the two year. Old's face that says to me that they were really trying to intimidate her. And it's not so much about the hack itself. I think it's too early to tell on this one. But rhonda santa's is on thin ice here and it should freak everyone out that this is the sort of treatment you get for telling the truth as we get closer to inauguration day were starting to get more of an idea of what that might actually look like. It doesn't sound like anything is set in stone yet by any means but there are some sources that are starting to give hints at what. They're thinking first off. Like i think we all could have guessed. A source says that they're considering a cova test for anyone on the platform in front of the capitol where joe comma will be sworn in that vip platform usually hold sixteen hundred people but there will probably be far fewer this time around one thing that could help cut down on the number of people's the fact that congressional planners have already invited lawmakers to record video messages for the president elect and vice president-elect that can be played on the jumbotrons before the swearing in no decisions have been made on whether the official inaugural balls are going to still go on like usual. I'm not exactly sure if those are super necessary in worth jeopardising these seventy eight year old president's life four that's just me some advocacy groups are already going virtual with gallows one group. The human rights campaign said quote. Our goal is to democratize the inauguration party experienced by holding a virtual event integrating our three million plus members and supporters into the day's events and breaking the traditional bubble of a washington insider experience and quote. Which could actually be pretty cool and give a sneak peek to a lot of us who might not get the chance to ever go out there for this there. Haven't been any updates on what celebrities will be performing if they do at all but one source close to the inauguration suggested looking for hints in the lineup of celebrities who campaigned for biden including lady gaga. John legend in jon bon. Jovi you can also plan on seeing some protests during the course of the day the answer coalition is planning a demonstration demanding quote urgent action to save the environment and war and prioritize money to meet people's needs and quote the group let america here s roar for trump is seeking permit to quote support percent. Boy i'm glad that trump group chosen name. That just rolls off the tongue by the way we know this because they have to apply for permits to protest in these parks as for whether trump himself will actually show up. Biden said quote it is totally his vision. And it's of no personal consequence to me by do think it is for the country and quote. Personally i think there's about zero percent chance that trump actually shows up that day especially if he can hold a rally but we'll talk about that in just a bit overall. I think we can expect biden into trustee medical advice available and that will choose the safest that was the theme of his campaign shifting to a lot of new covid news ahead of thursday's meeting about whether to officially approved the vaccine the fda released data confirming pfizer's vaccine efficacy effectiveness against covid. Nineteen document goes on to detail. The safety profile of the vaccine as favourable and notes that the most common adverse effects to the vaccine have been reactions at the injection site fatigue. Headache muscle pain chills. Joint pain and fever. But that's kind of most packed scenes. I feel like at least for the flu vaccine. The document also gives a little information about what happens to you between the first and second dose and it says that the efficiency are not the efficiency the effectiveness between the first and second doses about fifty two percent but they say that quote the efficacy observed after dose one in before dose to from a post hoc analysis. Oh if we're using terms like that. I have to get an extra pocket protector. Hold on one. Sec from post hoc analysis cannot support conclusion on the efficacy of single dose of the vaccine. Because the time of observation is limited by the fact that most of the participants received a second dose after three weeks end quote that basically means that they don't have enough data to definitively say how protected you are between the first and second doses. That did answer one of my questions. Though because i was wondering how long there is between the doses. I'm glad it's not like shingles vaccine or something where it's just months in between overall. The fda news makes it pretty clear that we should expect them to approve this pfizer vaccine on thursday sticking with vaccine side effects. There was some pretty wild news about the astra zeneca vaccine in that trial. It was mostly good. They're saying it's safe but there were three events classified as possibly related to the vaccine. Those included a case of hem. Lick anemia. Which is when destruction of red blood cells. Outpaces your bone. Mass production of these cells transverse myelitis. Which is when the messages that the spinal cord nerve sent throughout the body get interrupted which can cause pain muscle weakness paralysis. Sensory problems or bladder in bowel dysfunction in third was regular high fever besides those nasty side effects the other insane part of this study found that there were four deaths during the course of trials but all were unrelated to the vaccine. Check this out. They were caused by a road. Traffic accident force trauma. Homicide in fungal pneumonia. Like what the hell's going on over there some really fantastic news though. Is that early this morning for us here in the us at least united kingdom began administering the first doses of the pfizer vaccine outside of the clinical trials margaret maggie keenan who turns ninety one next week became the first person in the world to receive an authorized fully vented corona virus vaccine and listen to this in eighty one year. Old man named william shakespeare was the second person to the pfizer vaccine. I'm not even kidding. The uk is a wild place. Man there was also this news while this isn't good news. By the way that trump administration officials gave up a chance to purchase more than the one hundred million doses of pfizer's vaccine added degree to earlier. This summer the administration says the decision was made as part of a plan to diversify the nation's vaccine arsenal and anonymous official said that the members of the administration's operation speed effort to mass produce. A corona virus vaccine. Were not trying to put all their eggs in one basket. I guess it kind of makes sense because hindsight's twenty twenty. We didn't know that this pfizer was going to be so good. But of course that has led to concerns that the company would be unable to fulfil any additional. Us order until june because of their commitments to other countries. Which would really suck if these other vaccines don't end up being his good. Hopefully these manufacturers are able to ramp up their production quickly and that all of us can get our vaccines early asked her going back to the plans. For inauguration day people familiar with the discussions told. Nbc news that trump plans to skip the ceremony in dc and that he has floated the idea of a florida rally to announce that he's running again in two thousand and twenty four which would honestly just an attempt to keep himself relevant and make more money off of these people that keep donating to stop the democrats from steel me election since we all know how much trump loves polls. I was pretty happy to see that. In a new gallup poll biden has fifty five percent favorable rating in forty one percent. Unfavorable kinda strange but the same poll gives trump a forty two percent favorable rating in fifty seven percent unfavourable pretty much. All of the polls. Throughout trump's entire presidency have shown that his favorable rating as usually been in the thirties or forties biden's current rating is the highest. It has been since february twenty nineteen which was two months before he declared his candidacy for president in general. It seems like a lot of the talk shows that listen in on are still saying how crazy things are intel. All of this news from trump world is substantial. But i just don't get it. Maybe i'm in the minority here but it seems like all the print media like the associated press new york times etc always say his claims of fraud or fake and basically that he's delusional before they even start talking about the latest thing. He said her did everyone else around. The world is watching him like they watched someone having an episode of dementia. Because that's basically what it is. The man is a sociopath whose brain cannot not will not cannot physically chemically processed. The idea that he's a loser but he is user. Well that's it for today. Ladies and gents again. I just want to remind everyone that i may or may not be releasing an episode tomorrow. I'm still not sure if i'll be skipping tomorrow or thursday but just remember not to be too surprised. If you don't see anything out there. I also just want to point out something. You might have been noticing in the episode descriptions lately usually sometime after the episode is published. I'll add basically my whole script in. There apparently is supposed to help. Get your content. Found on google and stuff like that if you make your transcripts into blog posts so i decided to go ahead and do that since i'm always trying to get more listeners. It's all supposed to help. The deaf hard of hearing listening impaired in language learning audiences follow along. And i really hope it does in any case. Just know that it's usually there in that it might not match the actual podcast audio one hundred percent. Sometimes i recognize a typo that just mentally correct as i'm recording or maybe i'll think of something else. I want to stay on the topic. So that stuff won't typically make it in there. I will say it's a good idea to check on my sources. There were too many of us today to name in like list off on the podcast here but go check out the transcript for those. Well we're talking about growing the audience. I guess my one ask of you guys. Tell your friends about the show. Introduce them the podcasts. If they're not too familiar just anything. This is supposed to be news for anyone who cares about actual facts and also doesn't sit through all the pointless stories that are usually shown on the evening news so hopefully can tell a friend or three and get them hooked as well. Alright folks. that's the lay of the land. Stay safe and i'll see you on the next episode. Today is wednesday december ninth. Hey i'm here yes. I figured i'd do the show today and then just kind of skip it tomorrow. So that's what we're gonna do as for today's show. We have a lot of follow up stories from yesterday and days. Previously including biden administration. News chris crabs mix and other appearances the former leader of the cybersecurity portion of the. Oh what was that homeland security and some supreme court news. That's not as big of a news story as they're making it out to seem just in my opinion but hey we'll go over at anyway and You can see what you think. Let's not waste one more second. Let's get caught up. We'll start with. Joe biden making some more cabinet appointments first off. He did name retired army. General lloyd austin as his nominee for the secretary of defense role which is kind of a surprise from what i was thinking. If you'll remember back to a couple of weeks ago. When i first started talking about this i said it was looking like it was michelle flournoy. Who would have been the first woman to lead the defense department however this will still be a historic pick and historic that. Always trip me up. That's another one of my pet peeves there but a story for another time anyways austin would be the first black secretary of defense if he gets confirmed by the senate about his new nominee biden had this to say quote in his more than forty years in the united states. Army austin met every challenge with extraordinary skill profound personal decency. He's a true and tested soldier and leader. I spent countless hours with him in the field and in the white house situation room. I've sought his advice seen his command and admired his calm and his character. He is the definition of patriot and quote so some pretty high praise therefrom biden. He's expected to announce him today. So i'm not sure when this episode is going to end up coming out but maybe you'll already have seen him speaking a little bit. Surprisingly there's a little bit of controversy not from republicans but from democrats. So i didn't know that this was a rule but the defense secretary position is technically supposed to be just a regular civilian leading the armed forces. Which if you think about it. That's kind of the opposite of what we're going for right. Maybe there's a reason for it but it just feels like it's like putting trump in charge of the covert response instead of dr fauci fauci. What kind of sense does that make. But austin has only been retired for four years not seven so he would need that congressional waiver to serve in this position. This waiver has only been granted twice in the past seventy years recently to trump defense secretary. James mattis and democrats were leery of doing that and then because it just broke that precedent of having the civilian charge. But i you know. I don't know. I don't get that this story from cnn. And they're making it sound like democrats might push back on. This biden off to convince them. But i think it's just can be hard to turn this guy down. Four years seems like enough time for me to be back to a civilian Would the soldier ever come out of this guy or anyone else nominated for the role. Who used to be military seven years or fifty years. I feel like a soldier is a soldier will have to see how that plays out. But from what biden is saying about him. I'm feeling pretty. Good about the pick flipping over to the department of housing and urban development. Which wack job dr ben carson currently leading biden has selected representative marcia fudge as his nominee. She had been lobbying to be the first black female. Gary but the rumor is that biden is planning on choosing former obama agriculture secretary. Tom bill so here she is. This is kind of interesting because as early or as recent as last month fudge had an interview with politico where she said quote as this country becomes more and more diverse. We're going to have to stop looking at only certain agencies as those that people like me fit in. You know it's always like we want to put the black person in labor or hud. I'm not exactly sure what changed in that time period. And maybe that's just taken out of context because this was another politico article which you have to watch out for. Because they love linking to other articles on their site just to keep you hooked. But i suppose you never actually know how you're going to react until you get that call like if the president asks you to do something to serve. I think you just take it. You know. I don't think you get too picky. She will have an important job since a lot of folks are going to be facing eviction and back rent bills as well as the existing homelessness problems. She also be reinstating. The rule from the obama era that aims to help fairhousing that rule requires local governments to track patterns of segregation with a checklist of ninety two questions in order to gain access to federal housing funds. Lastly she'll be stopping. Ben carson rule that required plaintiffs to meet a higher threshold to prove unintentional discrimination which is known as disparate impact and gave defendants more leeway to rebut the claims so basically it was just something else to make discrimination in housing easier honestly the one downside to marcia fudge being nominated here. It's not cory booker remember. How trump was campaigning at the end and kept telling suburban women that big scary cory booker was gonna come in and destroy their neighborhoods. What a shame man. That was so racist. That was the only scary black person he could think of. Unbelievable sticking with biden just a bit more. He also unveiled a three point. Plan to fight the corona virus in his first hundred days in office point one is to get at least one hundred million americans vaccinated in that first one hundred days point to his pledged to sign a face mask mandate on his first day in office and point. Three's getting kids back to school safely. I was actually surprised about the mask. Mandate because i thought he said he wasn't going to do that. But actually it seems like it's a little more targeted and specific than just saying everyone has to wear one. His mandate would require masks in places like federal buildings and planes trains and buses for interstate. Travel biden also said that he'd work with governors and mayors to pass masking mandates in communities across the country in terms of getting kids back to school which helps kids learning as well as opening up the economy since parents turn. Fb home with them. Biden says congress will need to provide the necessary funding to protect students educators and staff. He also added that he would be prioritizing educators for getting the vaccine. This plan came on the same day that he announced a lot of his nominees for key public health positions. He announced that his chief medical advisor on the pandemic will be dr fauci. Xavier becerra california's current attorney general will be as nominee for secretary of health and human services. I'm sure kamala harris had some say in that sense. That was her old position. Before before becoming a california senator. Dr vivek murthy who was a. Us surgeon general for president obama will be biden's nominee for surgeon general biden transition co chair and former obama administration official jeff z. Since will serve as coordinator of the covid nineteen response in counselor to the president natalie. Quilliam who is also a former obama person will be the deputy coordinator of the covid response. This list goes on doctor. Rochelle walinsky will be cdc director. She's currently chief of infectious diseases at massachusetts general hospital and finally dr marcela nunez smith will serve as the chairwoman of biden's covid equity task force. She's currently serving as co chair of his transition team guys. I don't know if i like this. There are way too many qualified people on this list. I thought we were just supposed to have people who are loyal to our president. Not these experts. I'm just messing with you. This is a super refreshing list of appointees nominees. I think i'm most happy for dr fauci forgetting that new title there and hopefully being treated as the expert. He is and with appreciation by the president of the united states. None having the president incite death threats against him. The one thing i will say for all my history nerds out there. Is that all these former obama. People coming back in. It sort of feels like when john took over for george washington since nobody knew how to transfer power because no leader had given up power until george washington end because adams was short and uncharismatic. Oh there we go again with a buys against us. Short people adams wanted to make sure he'd win in not spook any of the important people who endorsed him since actually at that time. The public didn't vote. I mean they really didn't vote for president. It was all the electors. They could care less about what the people wanted. As a result he ended up pretty much george washington's cabinet that would end up being a bad move for him because alexander. Hamilton hendra resigned towards the end of washington's presidency. And in many ways he was more george washington's vice president than atoms meaning that all of the cabinet was basically taking orders from him on the outside in the public like he's in public life now but they're still taking orders from him and ignoring adams. I don't think that's going to happen to joe by any means but it seems to be bringing so much of the band back together at the same time. If you know people have done a good job in the past and that they're qualified wanna. I mentioned chris crabs in the beginning so here he is yesterday. Krebs filed a lawsuit against the trump campaign attorney joseph degen uva and the cable channel newsmax. He seeking an injunction against ordering newsmax to remove the degen ova interview from its website as well as monetary damages for defamation. He said to geneva defamed him in that interview. By saying that crabs quote should be drawn and quartered or quote shot at dawn because he said the election was the most secure in our history. Krebs claims that he's received death threats after this interview. Let's just clearly put in perspective why this is such a big deal. Digenova is a lawyer for the president of the united states. more accurately. he's a lawyer for his reelection campaign but nonetheless it is insane that someone that close to the president is saying people should be shot or drawn and quartered. This is why. I said binds choices so far for nominees in appointees have been so refreshing. I wish the best to chris crabs in this pursuit another follow up story is a callback to yesterday when we talked about rebecca jones in that raid on her house. According to the tampa bay. Times quote ron phillips hausky. A lifelong republican who was appointed to the twelfth circuit judicial. Nominating commission by disentis resigned tuesday morning. After reviewing these search warrant affidavit the state us to seize computers and phones from rebecca jones. Okay dr seuss. He said that he resigned. From this commission to bring attention to the way to santa has handled quote public access to truthful data and the rating of data analysts. Home phil. Kelsey is no joke. He's a former marine as well as a former state and federal prosecutor in his resignation letter he said quote recent events regarding public access to truthful data on the pandemic and these specific treatment of rebecca jones has made the issue a legal one rather than just medical. I no longer wish to serve the government of florida in any capacity also according to a friend of his. And it's just donning on me as you read more of this article that this friend sounds like it could be filled hausky. He privately said that he was alarmed by the raid. Telling the friend quote. What's the crime. The crime is hacking into an email server to tell people to tell the truth. That's not a horrible crime. If it's a crime at all he compared her situation to the legal doctrine called necessity which allows someone to break the law to prevent a more serious harm. Interestingly enough philip kofsky also helped both the lincoln project and center for american progress action fund during the presidential campaign against trump. So i guess. Thank you ron philip. Hausky thing his her just want to briefly rant about that executive order that trump signed yesterday. Because it's just total bs. Also i just love that new transition. I made and want to use it every opportunity i can that executive order that trump signed is called something super maga like the america first vaccine priority. Or something like that. I'm not even exaggerating. I swear it head. America first in there somewhere. He signed it because it helps fox news. Pretend he's actually doing something. But the bill just prioritizes the shipment of vaccines to the us before can go to other countries first of all. That doesn't necessarily seem equitable or fair. We had passed on a deal this summer. No matter how much. I'd rather have those vaccines second. You can't sign a piece of paper in we magically get more vaccines. The company had to agree to a deal. And unless you're embracing socialism in seizing the means of production. This doesn't mean anything also. Last time i checked an insane amount of insane americans are scared out of their minds when the even have to read the word socialism. This executive order is meaningless. And it's not worth the paper it's printed on it might as well have been one of those blank pieces of paper. He signed his name on when he was at walter. Reed pretending like he was a workaholic. Also i almost forgot this. But i was talking about the overreaction to a news source or a news story the. Us supreme court decided not to hear one of trump's election fraud lawsuits that started in pennsylvania. I guess i wasn't surprised. Because i don't think john roberts gorsuch or even cavenaugh wanted to touch this because they know it's not even real argument into wouldn't change the election one st wouldn't change anything at the same time. I suppose you can never underestimate how low these republicans are willing to go either way the cable news channels. Were freaking out about it. As where i thought wolf blitzer was going to have a heart attack the way he was talking about it they just kept playing that breaking news. Sound effecting graphic. I'm actually pretty sure they don't even have openings to their shows. Just play that every time. There's not like a theme or anything. It's just breaking news theme again. Maybe this is just a me thing. But i wish they would have chil- down bit okay. Everyone that's all. I got for you once more. I decided i'll be taking tomorrow off but expect a new episode on friday on these days. Where more busy. And don't necessarily have a ton of time to write a script and everything. I'm sort of toying with the idea of doing an instagram or facebook live. We can chat. And i'll just go over. News articles in real time in guys will get to ask questions or suggest what news you want to go over. Then i'd post that as a podcast as well eventually. The only downside is that it clearly won't be organized as this but maybe it would still help you get the news and help me save some time. We'll see how that goes. Let me know if you have strong feelings. One way or another about that. You can reach out on any social media platform. I'm on those as at quick news daily or you can email me directly at quick news daily at g mail dot com in any case. That's the lay of the land. Stay safe out there. And i'll see you back here on friday. Today is friday december eleventh. It's good to be back again after a short one day hiatus. Thanks for joining me back here to start the weekend. Basically we've got a couple of fun stories today and then a more serious one that we follow up on. It's a follow up story to another one that we did earlier in the week. But it's all big news so let's get right into it. The big news from yesterday. That i think we all expected. Was that vaccine advisors to the fda voted to recommend the emergency use authorization for the pfizer vaccine. I always get tripped up on that and say emergency youth like It's the sandlot or something and we need those kids right now. Like emergency youth back to this. Though on the panel the vote was seventeen to four and then one member abstained from voting. I thought that this was like the final say but now the fda has to decide whether to accept the recommendation but it has signaled that it will issue the eu. A for the vaccine. Then after that there's still another step. Where the cdc advisory committee on immunization practices must meet to decide whether it recommends that the vaccine be deployed for use spoiler alert. Yes that group has a meeting scheduled for today in expects to vote during a meeting scheduled for sunday operation warp speed officials say they will start shipping the vaccine within twenty four hours of the fda authorization the fda group is scheduled to meet again on december seventeenth. So next week already to discuss modern as e you a application. This is all good news. And i think when you weigh the amount of testing that has happened with this. I think it's safe at the same time. There is some unsettling news about a couple stressing couple to allergic reactions that popped up in the uk the uk regulators issued new advice to healthcare professionals stating that any person with a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine medicine or food such as previous history of inflammatory reaction or those who have been advised. Carry an adrenalin auto. Injector so by pen should not receive the pfizer vaccine. That's the guidance. For the moment the two staff members who had the reaction both carried epi pen and had a history of allergic reactions and they develop symptoms of an anaphylactic reaction after receiving the vaccine on tuesday so it was a delayed response. I think it was like the next day or the day after. I think the scariest wording of this advice was that it also states vaccines should quote only be carried out in facilities where resuscitation measures are available. So yeah that gives you. You know. Just a ton of confidence with this. Finally this advice recommends that people who carry an epi pen should delay having a vaccination until the reason for the allergic reaction has been clarified again. I do want to be super careful with this because i think that benefits greatly outweigh the alternatives. And i don't want to start any unnecessary vaccine panic because these were just two people in the study alone was forty four thousand. But it's definitely something for us to know. I also read that trial. Protocols said that to be in that study you couldn't have had a history of severe allergic reaction quote to any component of the study intervention end quote. So i'm guessing that probably means like latex stuff like that so that might explain why none of these reactions happened in the trial. Another expert in the cnn article said that until we know what part of the vaccine actually caused these reactions. The general public should be worried which makes sense. Maybe it was something that was very rare. Some like you know super nizhny allergic reaction is just something to keep in mind though as we get closer and closer to this here in the states. Some other news. That i was happy to hear. Is that both in government and regulators want facebook to be broken up because they're a monopoly or at least have monopolistic tendencies. The director of the ftc's bureau of competition. Ian connor said quote facebook's actions to entrench and maintain its monopoly deny consumers the benefits of competition. Our aim is to rollback facebook's anticompetitive conduct and restore competition so that innovation and free competition can thrive and quote the government and regulators are saying that facebook should have to sell off instagram and whatsapp. Facebook's latest argument is that people choose its services not because they have to but because they want to which is pretty much just a flat out lie. I wouldn't be on there for this show unless it was absolutely necessary to build a community for millions of small businesses. Facebook advertising is pretty much their main marketing strategy. You can't go over to twitter and get the same visibility. Facebook's latest pr narrative is that they welcome regulation but that cracking down too hard could risk giving other countries like china a competitive edge in the fast moving technology sector. Will i for. One am glad that years and years of having to defend themselves for being a monopoly but try out bunch of defenses and good for them for settling on this one. That sounds like it hints at racism. I don't think it's a coincidence. That trump brainwashed his followers into thinking that biden love china and calls the krone virus that china play and all that and then suddenly facebook uses this to defend itself when they know full well that they survive by letting these white supremacist right wing. Groups thrive on their platform. Not a coincidence. This whole lawsuit got started. When new york attorney general letitia james announced in september. Two thousand nineteen choose leading an investigation into facebook for anti-competitive practices which forty seven state attorneys general signed on a month. Later that's impressive. That's like the us. The entire us these types of lawsuits understandably usually take a lot of time to play out one of the most high profile cases a landmark lawsuit against microsoft in nineteen ninety eight almost two years to come to a conclusion but actually that seems pretty quick to me when you take on a huge company. Who likes money doesn't like you stepping on their toes. Two years doesn't seem so bad. I guess we should just temper expectations a bit but the fact that this happened while trump is in office as encouraging because it's usually republicans who are all for business rights. And that sort of thing you know the crooked capitalism that's more of an alga pooley in our third update of the week on this particular story to videos of the rain. Rebecca jones's house were released by the florida department of law enforcement. The videos show that jones didn't exit her home until about twenty three minutes. After the officers. I rang the doorbell in fifteen minutes after they announced themselves as police. Also what's up eight minutes. Jones's claimed authorities waited thirteen minutes while she got dressed. The officers can be heard yelling. Police search warrant open the door as well as make sure the whole block. Here's us is one of the officers tells tells. The guy was yelling which is kind of like Men they needed to support each other like they needed to give each other encouragement to l. jones's said that the officers in the house pointing guns at her two and eleven year old children and her husband which the department has denied. She released her own video of the raid officers inside with the guns drawn. But this story says that it's unclear that those officers were also wearing body cameras southern share Go out on the limb here and spoil the ending for you. Like i don't know this but i think we all know how these stories go. They're gonna find out that these super reliable body cameras mysteriously turned off on their own or malfunctioned or something. But just on the officers that went inside the home and allegedly pointing guns at the kids not the ones outside showing them doing the right thing just on the ones. With actual controversy is the authorities also said that they seized three computers to phones several memory. Cards and thumb drives. I hate to say. I told you so but i was kind of right. She wasn't totally honest particularly on the opening. The door thing that was about it. There's also some crazy stuff in past with getting arrested three times in relation to an affair. She was having where she was like stalking the guy. It's all true. It's in court documents that she filed which is pretty wild like three hundred and forty two pages she wrote about it. Sounds like a whole novel. So yeah maybe she's not the perfect messenger but there is some controversy over the actual affadavit that they use to get the search warrant essentially the fd l. e. claims that they traced through the use of investigative resources the ip address. And there's a lot of technical stuff in this article. I highly recommend you read it because actually a pretty good job of breaking it down but essentially this use of an ip address. It's it's not really a great basis. It's really easy to spoof or like impersonate their ip address. One person says that the cops treat it like it's a fingerprint but it's not anywhere close to that one expert here said it's like saying i found a bullet in through investigative resources. Jason shot at like you just kind of yada yada yada. they're guilty. The other fishy thing is that this emergency system that she supposedly hacked into relies on a shared username and password. That's like rule number one you get taught about the internet. Never share your password in rule number two is. Don't make your password password. It was also revealed wednesday that the username and password for this system are on a document that was publicly available on the department of health site publicly available just on their website. That's wild how can you say it was her when she was out there for everyone. That's insane one of the other experts in this article says that it's weird that the only things. I think that you would have had probable cause to seize would be the router as well as the modem but her router and modem weren't seized so basically the consensus here is that this was to get her information her data her hard drives and stuff that would reveal her sources the people in the government who are still leaking tour who are letting her update this website. That's what this was really about. It's not about a message on a system that could be accessed by theoretically anyone center's just out there on that document. This just reeks of being a political attack just purely purely political revenge attack. But i'll tell you one thing. I will keep updating you on this. I'll keep a close eye on this. I'm guessing will be having a lot of information. Come out about this over the next couple of weeks. Also like briefly mentioned for this info. Today it was from a great story in the florida today. Newspaper which is like the florida division of usa today so go check that out and give them some traffic. This article was fantastic. Rhyming the link is in the sources which is in the episode description for today all right. I think that's where i'm going to cut it off for today I had something. The only other thing was that joe biden and kamala harris were named time magazine's person of the year like their co person of the year people of the year you will so that was pretty cool it must have job donald trump crazy but in any case. I don't think. I have anything for quick news news right now. So if he could just share the show with a friend or three in get them hooked and that's the lay of the land. Today stay safe. And i'll see you on monday. You can't control what's outside your home but you can control what comes in. Because clorox disinfecting wipes kill ninety nine point nine percent viruses and bacteria including covert nineteen virus. 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"Said hello and welcome to the daily beans for thursday august. Twenty six twenty twenty one today. The crack and her strikeforce have been sanctioned in michigan and have been referred for suspension or does varmint the select committee on the insurrection issues a sweeping request records and communications leading up to and during the attack on the capital matt gaetz failed to report his dismal book sales violating house ethics rules to lawmakers make an unscheduled trip to kabul and rounds. Berg takes a plea deal in south dakota and get away with murder. I'm alison gill. And i'm dana goldberg. Hey dana wow big breaking late breaking news. I mean my goodness run around and redo the whole script. And so the rounds borg story Has been pulled from the main news blocks. I'm going to give it to you real quick right now. He's taking a plea deal for a misdemeanor. He is the guy in south. Dakota who hit and run murdered mcvicar manslaughter. A guy on the side of the road. They found his glasses member in i remember increase. Yes so he's taken a misdemeanor plea deal So that's that's Bullshit yeah that's bullshit. That's that that other system of justice we talk about though yeah doesn't exist for certain people of a particular skin so there's really not much more to that story. If anything else comes out on that we will definitely keep you apprised of it. It's just awful but We had to replace it with the big news that the cracking lawyers in the michigan sanctions hearing have been sanctioned and their punishment is amazing. And i'll go over that a little bit more in detail but we're gonna go into the whole entire one hundred ten page ruling on next week's clean up on al forty-five pod that's the show that andrew tours and i will be recording live four patrons of that show In in dc on monday a five pound. That's going to be a good one. Yeah it's gonna be interesting A little bit later on the show. I'm also going to be talking with educator and amazing history. Teacher sarabeth rosenberg. We're gonna talk about cova in schools mask mandates and of course The the latest on critical race theory quote unquote which has been you know a term now usurped by the right to discuss anyone teaching any history that you know Has yeah with people of kala. so we're We're gonna be discussing a the latest update on that later in the show but dude. Oh my gosh okay. We have so much news to get to today. So let's hit the notes hot notes lead. Story's hard to pick today dana. I can see why. There's so much. But i'm gonna go with. We'll start with the select committee on the insurrection. The you know. They're investigating the insurrection on wednesday. They sent a flurry of requests to federal agencies for records related to the attack including communications from the white house. This is the panels first step to see documents on how the united states government handled the chaos of the siege on the legislature. Set up by house. Democrats with two anti-trump gop members. Which i don't think you have to say that they're just republicans. The select committee is escalating. Its investigation even as the chamber breaks for a month long recess. The committee chaired. By as we know benny thompson plans to seek executive branch records related to the attack in and it's run-up including communications within among the white house and executive branch agencies on and before january six. This records request is huge. I'll go over a couple of things here. They're seeking records relating to attempts to place politically loyal personnel positions across the government after the election. The planning the organization in response to january sixth in earlier and attempts to overturn the rule of law and overturned the two thousand twenty election one segment of the requests notably seeks documents and communications related to the mental stability of donald trump or his fitness for office member that whole twenty fifth amendment thing. Oh absolutely it's requests. Went to the national archives and records administration the justice department department of defense department of homeland security department of the interior the fbi and the office of the director of national intelligence thompson. Gave the agency's. Ah two week deadline to respond. He's not fucking around. The broad range of this request could make it difficult for them to do so in time. But i don't care. The committee asked the national archives for all documents communications within the white house involving host of trump denizens including picks former national security adviser. Robert o'brien trump advisor. Pete navarro kaley mcenaney kennedy mackin. And i'm a god steve bannon mike. Flynn malania trump. All trump's adult children except for tiffany. She's off the hook and makes me laugh. Left out of every family reunion. kimberly guilfoil. The best is yet to come. Rudy giuliani and roger stone quote. I think it is unlikely to house committee which hunt is going to find any documents or evidence that the fbi couldn't find. Roger stone told politico. I say again. Any claim implication insinuation or assertion. That either knew about or had anything to do with the events of january six even though i stayed at a hotel and hired a bunch of boys to guard me is categorically false. There's no evidence to the contrary. Accept all the evidence that is to the contrary. Yes i did. Add few things into his statement in its request to the pentagon the panel specifically asked for all documents communications concerning possible attempts by trump to remain in office after january twentieth. Twenty twenty one. They also asked for communications about martial law the insurrection act and the use of military personnel. During last year's election it also sought communications to from an about cash patel. That is the former nunez aide who ascended through the trump administration's national security ranks and then ended up serving as the acting. Defense secretary's chief of fucking staff the patel requests touches on civil unrest violence or attacks at the us capitol challenging overturning or questioning the validity of the election or the counting of the electoral vote on january sixth It also seeks communications between the defense department and trump on january fifth and january. Sixth as well as communications about the twenty fifth amendment. Hey so that has to do with all the chris miller stuff and why the national guard didn't go out on time for department of homeland security. They requested materials relating to instructions to stop or delay preparations for the transmission or the transition of administrations. The committee also ask for materials related to dhs's monitoring of social media and the ousting of chris crabs who ran the department cybersecurity agency until trump fired him for defending the integrity of the election panel also sent abroad request to deny seeking communications relating to actual or attempted conversations between any oh dna official and any white house official on january fifth and january. Six twenty twenty one a request to the interior seeks all documents communications relating to national park service permits and permit applications for events in washington. Dc relating to the two thousand twenty election. I'm sorry jeep is point. It's like we're requesting all documents that have ever been documented to give you anything that has writing on it. And there's a piece of paper or that has prints on it in a piece of paper. We're requesting it yet. And this is all this stuff for the interior between election. Day and inauguration day. That's that whole that's not just the fifth and six november december january the p- the permitting process for the rally held outside the white house. On january six has drawn scrutiny because of the ties between trump campaign a campaign officials in the end. You know the event it also asked for documents. Communications related to conversations between any department of the interior official and president trump or any white house official january fifth or sixth relating to the january fifth. Rally the january sixth rally or january sixth attack on the capital. The park police came under attack during the insurrection. As well as the washington monument They requested wine region records from the department of justice related to trump's attempts to force the department to intervene in the election. Then vice president. Mike pence's role in presiding over the election certification and any discussion again of the twenty-fifth amendment and the department's response to january six. They're really driving home. This twentieth amendment thing in particular asking for records on any potential or actual changes in senior personnel in the period between the election and inauguration day and investigations voter fraud all documents and communications involving mark meadows. Kurt olson rudy. Giuliani sydney powell agenda. Ls joseph degen uva and victoria toensing. Both of my fantasy indictment draft and communications between any department of justice official and president trump or any other white house official on january fifth and sixth now from what they want from. The fbi is their preparation for the attack and intelligence gathering and communications with the trump white house and it also is asking for records related to election investigations communications with individuals including rudy sydney pal and supporters of trump to push to overturn the election. And if you're wondering what that noise is in the distance it's the sound of a thousand paper shredders. Fortunately all these agencies now are you know. They're biden agencies. The paper shredder sounds would have happened before january twentieth. My god we'll be fbi. I don't know it like to think that's claim we'll find out. Thank you for that. I- unbelievable amount of requests there. I sorry i took so long it was just. There's no way to to shorten that story and i would. I would been disappointed. Had you i think our listeners would have been too because they're so much in there that's just delicious This is also good. Stuff to members of congress are facing condemnation questions following their surprise. Visit to ghanistan this week. Which diverted resources from the us is chaotic withdrawal enrage military leaders and lead house speaker. Nancy pelosi to declare it not a good idea. So we've got rep seth moulton. He's a democrat from massachusetts and rep. Peter masur republican from michigan. They flew on a charter aircraft and on the ground at the airport for several hours tuesday before flying out on a military plane. They build their quote secret visit as an effort to conduct congressional oversight of the biden administration's handling of a rapidly deteriorating situation after the talibans lightning-fast takeover of the country. Now it stunned state department and us military personnel. Their trip over there. They said the resources needed to protect. The congressman detracted from the evacuation effort and raised the possibility that the lawmakers flight out could have deprived seats to other americans and afghans looking to flee the country before president biden august thirty first deadline for withdrawal so pelosi commented saying this is deadly serious. We do not want members to go. It was not in my view. A good idea now. Striking a rare noted of agreement house minority leader kevin mccarthy echo echoed pelosi saying his message to the other lawmakers who wanted to visit. Afghanistan is not to go get makes total sense. They don't want people flying over there right now trying to get everyone out. I love that you say that striking rare note of agreement house minority leader. So we should just say it's already awesome. Yeah well that's not awesome. They shouldn't have gone. They took seats from people who are trying to be evacuated. And you know like you said it. They had to give them security which took away from the evacuation effort. Like fucking don't do it But let's shift here. Because i have a double dose of schadenfreude a free today all right first up. I tried to shorten this dana. But i couldn't remember the sanctions hearing in michelle. Yes this on. Sydney pal lynnwood klein hendler holler and the rest of the crack and attorneys for their bullshit election lawsuit in detroit right. Well the judge is back with a decision quote. I'm just gonna read you the intro here. This one hundred ten pages remember. This is just the first two paragraphs quote the lawsuit represents a historic and profound abuse of the judicial process. It is one thing to take on the charge of vindicating rights associated with an allegedly fraudulent election. It's another to take on the charge of deceiving of federal court. And the american people into believing that rights were infringed without regard to whether any laws or rights were in fact violated. That is what happened here. Individuals may have a right within certain bounds to disseminate allegations of fraud. Unsupported by law fact in the public sphere but attorneys cannot exploit their privilege and access to the judicial process to do the same and went. An attorney has done so sanctions are in order. Yeah so now. We do what i always do. When i get a court filing i scroll all the way to the end. Yes and she says in summary. The court concludes that the plaintiff's counsel filed this lawsuit in bad faith and for improper purpose further. They presented pleadings that one. We're not warranted by existing law or by non frivolous argument for the extending modifying or reversing existing law or establishing new law. And to contain factual contentions lacking evidentiary support or likely to have evidentiary support. Finally by failing to voluntarily dismissed the lawsuit on the plaintiff's counsel acknowledged it would be moot and thereby necessitating the filing of motions to dismiss plaintiff's attorney's unreasonably and vexatious multiplied the proceedings for these reasons and not for any conduct that occurred on appeal. The court holds that sanctions against the plaintiff's council are warranted under rule. Eleven and nineteen twenty seven section nineteen twenty seven and the courts inherent authority further. This lawsuit should have never been filed the state defendants in intervene defendants should never have had to defend it. If plaintiffs attorneys are not ordered to reimburse states defendants in the city for the reasonable fees and costs incurred to defend this action. Council will not be deterred from continuing to abuse the judicial system to publicize their narrative. Moreover this court has found the plaintiff's council initiated this litigation for an improper purpose rendering this the unusual circumstance in which awarding attorney's fees is warranted. So they have to pay money further given the deficiencies in the pleadings which claimed violations of michigan election law without a thorough understanding of what the law requires and the number of failed election challenge lawsuits that plaintiffs attorneys have filed. The court concludes that the sanctions imposed should include mandatory continuing legal education in the subjects of pleading standards and election law school. Lastly the conduct of the plaintiff's counsel which also constituted a violation of the michigan rules of professional conduct see for example M rpc three point one and three point three that calls into question their fitness to practice law this warranty referral for investigation possible suspension or disbar to the appropriate disciplinary authority for every state bar in federal court in which attorney is admitted and i guarantee each attorney had to look up. What the fuck. Mr three point one and three point three worse. Yeah so they have to go to school. They have to pay money. They are sanctioned. They have to pay attorney's fees and now they're being all of them are being referred for suspension or disbarments sydney pal in texas lynnwood georgia. Emily newman in virginia julia holler in the district of columbia maryland. New york and new jersey brandon. Johnson in dc new york. Nevada scott hagstrom in michigan and howard klein handler in new york and new jersey and gregory role in michigan. And then stephanie lynn. John tila in michigan so again hundred ten page ruling all kinds of incredible details including stuff like lynnwood is not credible at. I mean we're going to go over this in detail on the cleanup al forty-five show were recording it for our patrons if you want to become a patron patriot dot com slash l. forty-five pod that's five pm on monday in dc. The location will be given to all patrons of that show but we are going to break that whole hundred ten page thing down. It's amazing data and become a patron if you're in the dc. Aaron you can make this do it. Just go to this recording. Are you kidding me. I would all righty. And amid a justice department investigation into alleged sex crimes and related house. Ethics probe beleaguered congressman. I don't know who uses that word or why but we're gonna use it here. Rep matt gaetz appears to have committed at least one much smaller but more straightforward federal violation his failure to disclose how much money he made from a book epic last september. Now i know this seems like a stupid story. Because he's a stupid man when the daily beast inquired about the mission last week a gate spokesperson said the office needed quote additional documentation from the publisher and was in process of receiving that information and amending the congressman's financial disclosure. And i'm sure they were sure. Enough amended financial. Disclosure was filed three days after the daily beast reached out asking about the undisclosed book income. Yes gauges book which is called firebrand went on presale last august and hit bookshelves and online stores in september now after last year's financial disclosure deadline that was after the deadline. The new amended disclosure. Clayton's that the beleaguered stop it. Who's ever writing this stuff. Ed the beleaguered. Florida conservative earned. Exactly twenty five thousand dollars from book sales last year. Now after giving thirty percent of his personal habits to his agent sir. Sergio gore former staffer for senator rand. Paul who also officiated in dj and gates's surprise wedding last weekend this guy he to give thirty percent of his prophets to his agent. Who was a former staffer. From ron paul and also officiated. Dj at gates's surprise wedding last week which was held so that he could hide his assets and his wife wouldn't have to testify against him in anything. That happens here on forward. Okay now if gates us. Twenty five thousand dollar claim in publishing terms are accurate. The disclosure indicates firebrand didn't exactly burn up the charts is reported profits suggested the memoir brought in a total of only about fifty nine thousand five hundred dollars between august and december netting. His contract publisher postal press a little less than fifteen thousand dollars post hill press firebrand things. I've never heard of and by the way who writes a book when your base doesn't read. I don't apparently all of them. Which i don't really understand why ted cruz and gates and junior have tipping lots of money to buy their own books. Hardcover copies were originally listed for twenty seven dollars. New ones now go for less than ten. Apparently they're on sale. Ag and you can still pick up an e book for fourteen. Ninety nine now to matches disclosure. A twenty-seven dollar price tag would come out to about twenty two hundred units. Sold twenty two hundred books but even at the i listen people if i wrote a book tomorrow i would some more than twenty two hundred bucks but even at the low end. Ag ten dollars. Let's say ten dollars. A pop gates would've sold fewer than six thousand copies of firebrand across several months. Six thousand copies basis and even mayor like that. They don't read or not readers. My i love that. Start at twenty seven and now it's less than ten. It reminds me of the you know in What's the hula-hoop movie dot sucker proxy. Like the price keeps going down down down down. Crossed out with red ninety nine cents. We're just gonna get these away. Anyone wanna book no one book. Okay take when leave one. Nope okay and i have to wonder how many of those six thousand copies he bought himself. I would say five thousand nine hundred sixty three Thirty seven sold awesome. Good job on my goodness all right. We'll be right back with sarabeth rosenberg's stay with us. Are these messages. Hey everybody it's alison for the daily beans and the sheer year. You know i'm focusing on health trying to eat better trying to take more supplements and this starts with breakfast right but a healthy breakfast doesn't have to be boring. That is why. I love magic spoon. It's perfect for me because it has amazing flavors. 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Pretty much and of course the pbs. Newshour please welcome. Sorry beth rosenberg. Hey siri how's it going off and it's great to be here with us today. Yeah i'm glad to talk to you again. And i the reason that i wanted to bring you on. Today's first of all i wanted to. Crt update but i also wanted to talk about some sinister shit going on from the same group that complains about that which is the fact that now you know. We have States with republican legislatures or republican governors who are refusing to allow schools to have mask mandates. A lot of the schools are a lot of the counties in the districts are bucking those mandates and and now we've got a full on authorization for pfizer which can help a lot in a lot of these districts and sort of an update on that. I mean i'm hearing so many really sad anecdotes but specifically i was thinking of a teacher who wore her mask to school. But there was no mask mandate And she couldn't get vaccinated because of leukemia and she recently passed away. And and that's in florida and a lot of stuff is happening in hillsborough county and with a lot of those school districts with rhonda santa's so i was just wondering what your seeing I i know newark public. Schools are making some changes now with ochoa charge. What what is your feeling about this. And and and i mean it's just such a big mess. It's it's a big mess. And so because of the educator series hosting for plus. I have a big network of teachers across the country and i've been touching base to them as they've been to school down south southeast and it's a resounding basically were we feel just as stressed and scared more scared and stressed and we did a year ago because now first of all it's frustrating because we what can be done to protect the community to protect the kids teachers the school staff and then their parents. Wow and he's aren't doing And then she turns They're sending me articles about different districts that have had you close school for the day or for the week because there aren't enough teachers are. There's too many second sound like i'm speaking in hyperbole. But i'm not i mean this is what if anyone's paying attention to news is what's happening and new york city. I'm so happy he'll basically said mask everywhere. New york state it's the mandate. I'm really happy that i am going near in public. School teacher has at least have one. I wish was to one of the two shots. September twenty seven. I mean i don't know. I'm sure it'll be some pushback the ufc. I hope not off because that just keeps everyone say especially the kids were falling under. And so i would say that i think people are are more. Teachers will stop parents. Students are are more scare. I was gonna say scherzer are more scary are more scared than ever because of the delta variant right. Yeah and i mean you know There's going to be an interview. That i i've already recorded. It's coming out next week with A mom school-age age children in florida. Her name is lori woodward garcia. she's Heads up broward for progress and she's got this incredible a grassroots group. That's really pushing. The local school boards to to mandate masks despite. What's going on at the the the governor level where he's just like running around giving everybody regeneration and our latest fat. We're run regeneration is great. Actually it's thing but yeah but you could prevent the need for it by having vaccines so you know and the just the amount of frustration. I can't imagine you know. I'm i'm in california. I don't have school age. children i'm vexed. i'm vaccinated. Everybody knows vaccinated and everywhere. I go requires vaccines to get in. So i don't i just don't know what it's like but i mean they've just got to be pulling their hair out with this and fearing for their lives they are and i am sorry for some general is great but you could have avoided having to recommend that if he could have gotten more people vaccinated so that they wouldn't be getting sick with this new variant of over. That's that's that's even more serious because it's easier turkeys you're here to transmit right and so it feels like the perfect storm would schools opening a lot of another thing that's fearing is that key transfer some of were some of the first people to use some of the first people to get the vaccine grant while now we're hearing that within sixteen months the efficacy wears off or returning to school right. And so i you know. I'm glad that the verdict plush together third vaccine and that's going to start happening but it's it's really frustrating. I had a. I've been on twitter the other day about how i'm small year which you know remotely saying the kids you know common news. The i guess was premature. Cdc's farther than said. We're not going to be masked since. September like i guess i should have known better but the kids were so excited about it and we're talking about how we're going to return to normal as we're going to have pizza parties and meet each other again and and i get really sad thinking about it. Of course. I think it was wishful thinking on. Everyone's part we've been through so much and i was trying to help the kids out and make them feel excited back in back. It's it's frustrating. I were going to do our best to make it the best possible. But i can't help say that i'm very angry at the people who didn't get the vaccine in the time that they were supposed to and now we are birds word for basic weight. Making it sound that there's going to be. Unfortunately another year of schools have closed because of his getting and and teachers and school staff. And you don't even have the remote option and a lot of fun. So i don't frustrating and considering you know the the the amount of vaccine hesitancy which i'm sorry. We all saw coming last year a year ago. I mean i put out a tweet After i think diamond and silk were like. I'm not taking any vaccine and i was like oh okay. So what if these trump people would if these trump judd's don't refuse to take what if they refuse to take the vaccine. And so i i think it was a little shortsighted of the cdc to say you know we can return to normal september bef- and that was before we saw the full impact of the delta variant. But i don't think that the emergence of the delta variant was a surprise given the known vaccine hesitancy that we would see and now there are folks sounding alarm bells saying if we don't get our shit together and get vaccinated. We could be looking at a new strain that is vaccine avert that that What's the word that it. It's it doesn't respond to the vaccine at all And and so if anybody next year or in the fall says oh shit we didn't see delta plus coming. We didn't see lambda coming. Yes we do see it coming and so we need to be very open minded about going back to remote learning at that point. It's just. I feel a little weird that that people aren't at the highest level of government aren't sort of table-topping these worst case scenarios because to haven't every not learn anything. I'm going to stay this. This is gonna sound. Maybe extra say he says. But i'm wondering if we're going to have to have lockdowns again if if this continues especially if delta plus when it's not if it's when delta plus ugly ahead how are we going to be sending kids in sapporo. Especially if they're under twelve especially there's no mass mandate right so you don't have the mandate and get everyone vaccinated or we're not going to be able to have lesbian but yeah but if there's a vaccine resistant strain that comes out within an are not that is eight and a half like the delta very or higher we can't we can't be around each other at all amassed or not you know and so we have to kind of prepare for those eventualities and i hope at least that you know that they are running those tabletops to see what. What would we do in in that kind of scenario because we we. We won't be blind. I'm talking about it and who the fuck them is so. It's not going to be a history teacher. I don't even know any. I didn't even know. What our na was about six months ago right you are maybe longer. But i didn't know what happened to filter but we we know these things now because it's save us but i mean this is my advice futures. I'm gonna keep. I'm going to have my lesson setup so that i could turn them out lessons if need be we. I think we have to be realistic. Here i mean. Luckily my school i think because of the funding came from the the bill from the From the money that about for colored relief we have laptops supposedly for every child. So i'm going to be essentially doing my. I'm going to be like teaching sleep. But i'm going to set it up so in case the worst our cars i can i can. Yeah and speaking of lesson plans and curriculum. I wanna talk a little bit about. Crt and something with kelly. pollick saturday. But i do have to take a quick break. We you stay with absolutely awesome. Thanks everybody will be right back. Hello all it's alison for the beans in this portion of the podcast is brought to you by my favorite sheets ever boll and branch. Sometimes it's the little things that make the biggest difference and you know how much i love sleep and how important it is to me. 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And don't forget to use our url because that lets them know we sent you. Loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and other certain information provided in your loan application to just head to upstart dot com slash daily beans to get started today. Hey everybody welcome back. We're talking with sarabeth rosenberg and before the break alluded to a curriculum. And you are my go-to guru on all things. Critical race theory. Which again is a graduate level course in law school that is not taught to children But if you could give us. I just wanna make sure i'm not using that term improperly because it's been it's been weaponized by the by the people on the right but if you could give us an update on what's going on with that so what's going on bat is. You might not be seeing it on the news as much but it's still there. It's still there just not right now. The same forces that were screaming or board meetings. They don't want their kids learning about. Crt now they're in hysterics about not you know you. You're making my child. Wear a mask and and that's not. How bad wanted my child. Santa nine cancer. Pretty face the same astaire who said yes said by. The lady has glasses right. Yeah yes the dobbs intended for the last mystery the speech on your phone. I think that was one of my snarky tweets but we as probably many others but right now what's going on is as we speak about. Twenty seven and county state's introduced measures the ban or make it difficult for privileged to examine racism in american history Basically calling it kind of story which not being totten's full and they also forced this is awesome triggered by the sixty nineteen product. So that's something that's being banned by some of these bills. And i believe that saint states have enacted these measures law and could be more right now and an article just came out in the nation. That was not. But then i island or not shocking. All that all of this This much to do about principal race theory has been a product of our brothers and their network shocking. It's like i was waiting for someone to uncover that right and you knew that it was so and so basically this been like we said like we spent the last time i was on your. This wasn't means to galvanize everyone in the right wing counts whether it be in the white supremacist corporately. It's right and to get them all behind essentially away public education right and and turn it you know the whole charter school privatization movement and now just stoking fears that exists in a lot of people unfortunately and just weaponized and so even though right now i've met see a lot about that. I will say that. I don't want fossils. Oem i've yet to kind of talk about that unfetter. But i am sure it's gonna. It's not back because it worked right. The messaging work got people very angry and upset. It's taking a back seat to the mass mandates but And it's scary and it's something that we can't ignore how mean straight out of the cook brothers playbook right it just to suppress education at all costs because an educated electorate won't vote for your dumb ass This is this is all connected to the the. The motive behind the insurrection after the release of And now we have the release of the census results that that white people are going to become a minority For does it decline. There's a decline in the number of white people in the country for for the first time in two hundred years And and the insurrection. After a really intense case study was done showed that the you know. The overwhelming percentage of the people who participated in the insurrection came from blue areas. Who are were afraid of what. What is being called the great replacement right in the census numbers bore that out and that is their biggest fear. And you know sarah. I remember talking about this in college. When when i was very young and we talked about. Look there's coming a point is coming where there's going to be a tipping point in this country we're the majority of americans are not going to be white and i think that that's gonna scare the shit out of white people and and here we are watching it. Play out in real life. And it's not only affecting our democracy through insurrection and the sense numbers but we're seeing it in a straight up oppression of what we teach in the classroom. Absolutely and of course. No one's asking the young people what they think. No-one's asks them. Are you on. Your teacher tells you that. Slavery existed in america. Young comfortable when your teacher explains structural racism to get see one kid in a school board meeting stand up and say terrified to go to school because they're going to teach me about racism an opposite. Not if you wanna learn about you quoted mean you. You shared that anecdote about the the young kid who was like. Oh my god. I'm not crazy. i'm not alone. This happens only for that. That not alone feeling is just. It's it's so important for critical thinking education. It's like you know how people do yoga so that they're better at paddle boarding. It's it's you teach history so that people can critically think and avoid those scenarios in the future. I mean it's it's seems like a no brainer to you and me but the xenophobia and the fear that stoked by the leadership on the right coke brothers and big money and government really just sort of pushes that logic out of the way and allows fear to take over and it's and it's it's so cumbersome and it's also just ignoring the fact that pe- kids kids are capable of understanding complexity because ultimately this does come from a white promises agenda fear based agenda but at the end of the day. I keep saying this but my students don't leave my class after learning about structural racism and slavery hating america. They they they appreciate america they still believe in the ideals of america was a place that for a long celebrated new and the future and forward thinking. It's what we it's what we celebrated about ourselves. And in the past decade couple decades. There's been this real plush among certain canvas people right just to go backwards and it's it's it's anti to. What the ideals of america are they. They know that it's supposedly right if they're so into the study of american history and and it's it's gonna backfire. I mean i know. It seems a little brim right now but the environment is not going away and this push this this backlash to teaching the truth right but i do because i am around gen z. More than your average gen-x her unless they're your kids but i'm around a lot of them. Different gerston every year barrett. They don't they don't wanna go back. I mean right. I mean i know okay. Boomer was offensive to boomers. Were not like that. But that phrase comes from that that feeling like all right rick we don't we don't work. We don't your the way you did things his working we wanna move on and i think that ultimately the new the young this this mindset that we can all share an american dream doesn't just have to be for white people we can all share better off gen z. For the most part celebrate that and embrace that and wants that. So just i just right now though i don't want to. She won't no but that's true for every generation. When they were young right there was. There was a point when boomers were young and they said the sixteen. And that's when you. And i. When i was young we said the same thing. Millennial says the same thing when they were that age jones e. says the same thing and the country's been pushed further and further to the left which is excellent. I mean it's just taking a very long time. So i i you know. I think it's important to recognize that at some point every generation was young at one point had the same sentiment But what's great is people are doing things. People are doing things about this. I know Our friend kelly. Paula host of two broads talking politics has started a new. Podcast called unsung history. I'll be talking with her about that next week. But you haven't her coming up on saturday. Tell us about that. Yeah so just to address the anti history laws and history that are being passed the education fogs act call for i believe in starts today or tomorrow dave action just about teaching the truth and the importance of history teachers taking it upon themselves to not let these state preemption laws for ventas from teaching the truth the truth about american history. So we're doing some call the hashtag teach webinar and heli is going to be moderating. I'm going to be on the panel with dr kenneth cunningham. She's an assistant. Professor history florida atlantic nor straight university. Dr her williams going down the panel the founding director of the racial justice initiative In out of the university of saint thomas on might samsung history channel lot and then we also have dr sawn. Jeffrey us on the panel. He's an assistant professor associate professor of history at the university. And he's all it's it's going to be an incredible back or we're going to talk about. We're going to give the context of these laws and we're also going to talk about ways that teachers in the states that have these laws that say they can't teach about anti-racism. They have some tricks up their sleeve. I had to do it without you. Know breaking the law which is so crazy to think that in twenty twenty one. When i went into history. I went from working in media being a history teacher and i didn't think i thought that was the opposite being rebellious and suddenly. I'm a rebel. Because i teach the truth about americans who knows brighton. So that's what we're going to be doing on saturday. Eleven am center time. And i guess you gotta to broads. Dot xyz xyz backslash teach truth can tune in at eleven am eastern standard. Time on saturday. Eight twenty awesome. That is going to be great. That's incredible panel really really The the credentials of an experience of everybody. That's on that is is amazing. And i know. Kelly is going to do an incredible job Curing not discussion because it needs to happen. And i hope that you can have more in the future and It's been really great connecting with you today. Can you just remind everybody where they can follow you on twitter to get updates on this event and more in the future absolutely. I want to thank you much for having me on the show again. I love hockey team on these topics. you can follow me at. Siri rose on twitter and instagram front built on my instagram. 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But the last time i made the family sing it i asked what gaya perez and she said it was are nice clothes and i heard night close. And that's pajamas in my head. Still our family someone yell still in our family. Someone yells out pajamas at the right moment. Is anybody is sing it. that's amazing. Here's my pet tax. Our former former girl to lou up. We inherited her at age. Four as many as many problems as she had we wouldn't have trade her for the world. She was always pining for kisses and attention. She always got it. She's over the rainbow bridge now bouncing around with n without any more pain and waiting for us all their thank you for all you do. I have my mom age. Seventy eight data age seventy two listening awesome. My mom and dad both have been aggressive liberal. Since i was young and they taught me. Well thanks guys love. You all look at this baby chiefs maroon meru horrible. Thank you for that. Yeah no i love that. I love when families have a thing now. Pajamas it's our night-clothes that's funny so cute all right this next one is it says add pronounced so the pronouns e him Howdy i'm a recently minted listener though bum that i didn't turn in years ago. Looked you up after twitter feed had a pick of you in uniform we both are in nps grads. Will you tell people with that instantly naval nuclear power school. Thank you weeks later. So many of my favorite people are on your show. It's dumb founding to have missed so many probably great episodes in misheard category was confused last week to learn your show's theme song as daily beans not jelly beans daily beans. My god i know. Maybe that's why it's eh. But i'm going to continue to pretend it's the ladder for confession will admit back in the ninety s. Thought people were telling me. You're a real asset which was confusing when i got sent to charm school turns out the actual phrase was. You're a real ass. My pentax emission is scruffy. She's a terrier of the north herder breed. Favorite job is letting us de-stress by rubbing her belly. Thank you for all you do and look at that. Oh my god wants pet that dog so badly. My goodness well ed. Thank you for that and Sorry about power. Schools pain in the ass But thank you for your service and you know the episodes are all there if you want to go back and listen to them. All the way back to november. I twenty seventeen when the shit started to rain down heavy. Yeah my goodness oh. Thank you for that submission. Next up is from. Amy pronounce she and her hallo again. Lovely ladies at the beams. I totally don't wanna be that person. But taga county is pronounced. Taga rhymes with toga toga. County like you're wearing a tie. Oh ty oga Okay like you're wearing a tie with your toga. That was my husband's suggestion for an explanation. All right so it wasn't t- yoga. It wasn't taga it's tiogue tiogue county. I think i got it. Now amy today. You get sabrina. She is as mean as a snake but she's beautiful and i love her. Oh describes everyone. I've ever dated just kidding if any of my sister listening. I'm just kidding except except three of you. Okay sharon sharon from long island. New york pronoun. She and her. This is a submission for shit. Kids say i can't thank you guys enough for helping me keep my sanity over these past few years with muller she wrote in the daily beans. You're an important part of my daily routine. I used to listen to my daily commute in the city on the days. I'm working from home. I listen to my desk. I'm britain to you in the past about my mask making charity project on the early days of covert today. I want to share one of my favorite stories. That is perfect for shit. Kids say game when my daughter was a toddler back in the late nineteen eighties. I was lucky enough to get a home computer. One of the software floppies that came with it was a simple program that flash large colored letters and numbers on the screen when you press the corresponding key on the keyboard. My little toddler love to hit the keyboard and asked me. Was that each time a colorful image popped up on the screen by the age of two. She learned all her letters and numbers and took great delight and showing off her knowledge every opportunity while walking through parking lots. She was just about the right height to read license plates and refused to pass a car. Without reading the plate her readings went something. Like this are eight g. Tom brokaw five. See one or h g nine. Tom brokaw. gp wi with every license plate. She read. We heard her little voice squeaking out tom brokaw in the middle of the reading. My husband and i puzzle over this quite awhile until one evening took a break from preparing dinner to tidy up the den. I usually prepare dinner while listening to the tv playing in the next room. The evening news program was just beginning as i was picking up numerous toys littering the floor. At the moment i happened to look up at the tv. And the announcer was saying with tom. Brokaw and the image on the screen was a helicopter aerial view of the statue of liberty. At that moment. I realized she was saying tom. Brokaw in the middle of each license plate reading at that time all new york license plates had the image of the statue of liberty in the center between the first and last three digits. That's fucking brilliant. I don't have any pets to offer up. You don't need to after the submission. i don't have any pets. Offer up for the pentax. But i will share pictures of my parents dog sheri. Who's no longer with us. Whenever the family gathered sherry would find herself a comfortable spot among us on the sofa. As you can see by this picture. She was much loved doted over and had absolutely no idea she was a dog. Said a little cumberland. Look at alex. Like a cocker. So cute okay. But can we talk about what a genius. This kid is seriously so all letters. All the numbers age. Two and the associated. The name tom brokaw with the statue of liberty and when was reading license plates said tom brokaw when when came across the statue of liberty horrid g. Tom brokaw five. C one hornish. that's awesome. Look it's so. It's i think it's super pavlovian too. Isn't it right like when you see that like the bell balloon tom. Bro- i also really amazed that you found out how it happened because is it would have been a mystery right. That's true. oh my god. That's so cool thing that in there like just tom brokaw lives tom brokaw. Yeah and then you know. I assume every time she saw the statue of liberty. That started was called tom. Brokaw oh my god. Not even lady liberty statue liberties name. Is tom brokaw. Can we go see tom. Brokaw there got the big torch anyway. Fantastic i wonder what would happen if she could have seen like ghostbusters to act already. Tom brokaw attacking the city. Well saving the city. Excuse me saying there. You go Thank you for all your submissions. 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