13 Burst results for "Joseph Brian"
The Final Furlong Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Also want a big price source in this race. Fair enough. I think that with the concern going back left handed would bother me, I know it doesn't bother Dennis as much and Dennis will forget more about racing than I ever know. But the undulating track that Dennis highlighted as well. That's another thing that's against him, but also he's going to he's going to probably get a clue about the handicapper now too. So they probably just shown their hand. The weight comes out tomorrow. For all the handicaps are Paul Ferguson joins me for a cheltenham festival special on Wednesday with his children festival dedicated available now, by the way, and we're going to specialize in the novice hurdlers. And some of the novice chasers as well. But we'll touch on the boodles, too. Because we'll have the weights then and we also have all of the stats and the trends that Paul has gone into detail about in just Africa has the pedigrees to look at too. So that's an essential read, but we'll break all about downfield on Wednesday. But just go back through the last ten years of winners of the boodles, 25 to one, 33s, 25s, 13 to two, 33s, 33s, 72 favorite for Joseph Brian. 15 to two second favorite for Gordon, 80 to one, ten to one. It's got to be a double figure price. And just forget about everything at George prices afterwards. It's a proper each way scumbag race. And I'm looking forward to getting stuck into it, but Dennis and Barry have both given you horses to keep on the short list there. Scriptwriter briefly as it was a major disappointment in the race. This was his first attempt right handed. And he was given ways away to his rifles. He made bad mistakes at the second, the fourth last. He made a hash at the third last before Cyrus fell and then caused causing to be hampered. And from everything we know about him, Dennis, he's a bridal horse. Like Milton Harris has said that that he doesn't want to be in front too soon. He doesn't respond well to the whip, and it now appears as though he just doesn't like being driven along either. Yeah, but you know what, Milton Harris, he's
The Final Furlong Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Look, things will unravel over the next week or two, then we'll find out for certain. But I think on the side of it looking like a bit of a managed to come back at this stage. Well, there is romance. To a big comeback. And we all love a good comeback. Let's pick it. Frank Sinatra. Robbie Fowler's return to Liverpool, Roy Keane's return for Ireland. Kim Kardashian. She goes, she got coming her back in that video. Did we just do this? Did we just talk about Davy Russell for a convoluted Kim Kardashian comeback joke? Yes. Yes, of course we did because we're childish and that's what it's all about. But no, I'm died in his back. And I'm excited to see what he can do. And he's going to be a big player at the Dublin racing festival. And the entries are out today. So last week you accidentally admitted that you tend to Google questions that you've been asked, so your rumbled on that one. It's still hilarious. I would like a child. Admitted, I'm just Googling, oh crap. Literally said out loud what you should have said. So we know that the ticket sales in the UK are huge. I think it's one in four tickets that have been sold for the have been sold to UK customers. That's fantastic. But how many British trained racehorses are entered for the DOF? We're talking the early closes now, aren't we? It's not going to be many. I'm going to go for, I think it'd be less than 5 to be honest. I'm going to offer two. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. To we've all been caught for Nigel Tristan Davis has been entered in the novice hurdle and so royal has been entered in the Dublin chase. Yeah. It's a shame, isn't it? But it just doesn't, it just doesn't seem to be on the radar of British trainers, does it? For whatever reason. I think it would be great. To see more British representation over there. But most of them are probably thinking, why should we go over there and just get our asses under to us by the Irish when that's what they tend to do when they come over to children anyway? So they're just doing it, aren't they? Yeah, that's what it comes down to. Essentially, look, the prize money is huge. The prestige of the DRS is just getting bigger and bigger. It's built around those two key races. The Irish champion hurdle and the Irish gold cup. And your set to come over a huge amount of final furlong listeners are coming over. Yeah, I'm very excited about it. The amount of people I've been talking to about going racing who are saying they've already got their tickets for the DRS, yet they're not talking about going to shelter them. I find that quite intriguing. Don't worry, tell them we'll be fine, they'll still have probably sold out crowds for all four days, but there just seems to be more hype about the DRS this time around. And that's very interesting. So yeah, it's looking like the Willie Mullins show again as well, given the strength and deputy as he's got appreciated dice a dyno and el fabiola in the Irish arkle. They've got other options as well. Hammers the Burley is also in the Irish Oracle. Gordon's got Phil door. Joseph Brian's going to run bambridge by the looks of things. Irish point hidden valley Lake range Claire west, some really exciting horses are all in there and I'm very much looking forward to the effort. It's going to be a lot of fun. And a lot of fun to break it down here on the show. Just unwilling Melinda. Do you think it's probably fair to say that he's got the largest amount of strength in depth that he's ever had. This season? Oh, that's a very tough, isn't it? That's a great question. Yeah, I would say, I would say that is a very accurate statement. And what's every everywhere you look, it's just stacked, isn't it? Absolutely stopped. Well, let's do a very brief quick comparison here, shall we? So supreme novices hardly. He's obviously got that by the short and curlies, because he's got fuss el Vega. We have the Irish with the Moscow flyer, which is one of the key Irish trials for the supreme. And he is the favorite for that. Who's currently at 12 to one shot, Gaelic warrior was going to run today, but the meeting was canceled a klum. It's been rescheduled for next week. So he will have the option of the supreme or the ballymore. He's got the second third and fourth favorites and the 5th favorite. And the 6th favorite who's currently out of action, so take him out of the bedding, please. Champion hurdle, he's got statement in verb on. Mary's hurdle, brandy love, where is she? Stormy Ireland is still knocking around and burning victory. He's got them as well. Boodles. He's got the favorite for that in cacao. He has the favorite for the national chase and gay art de menil and backup for that. Bali Moore champ Kylie, Gaelic warrior who we mentioned Iberia pass and a whole heap of other horses who have either won a bumper or are about to run in a maiden hurdle. Hammers the Burley for the Brown advisory. Gallic warrior and saint Sam are very prominent in the bedding for the coral cup. Champion chase is the odds on favorite men in the defending champion. And he is the third favorite in blue lord. Dearie me. Grand annual, who cares? Obviously, on the day we care, but not right now. Champion bumper. He is the favorite for that in Chapo de soy. In the Turner's hem is the berle appreciated el Fabio. And a number of others. Ryanair, he's got the favorite in alejo. So he's got that one. He's got classical dream who is not entered, so I presume they're going straight to Shelton, which I like an awful lot because he's better fresh. He's not in anything at the DF, and he's not in, he's not in the galmoy either. Which TFO is going to run on these day. Mayors hurdle, he's got asteroid diamond. And a couple of others. Triumph, well, he's got the first and second favorites for that. And lastly, molten gala marsu. The potato race. Yeah, there's a couple in there as well. Goal cup. He has the favorite and gallop in the shop. So basically, and he's got the favorite for the mayor's chase as well, who will win allego de vassi. So it's William Mullins world and we're all just living it. It's incredible, isn't it? Absolutely incredible. The amount of depth in that stable at the moment. It must be just a frightening prospect for anyone wanting to take him on at the moment. And yet, Henry du bromhead, Joseph O'Brien, Gordon Elliott, Gavin Cromwell. They're all training winners. It's not like you can't win a race in Ireland because Willie's got everything wrapped up. You absolutely can and they're winning big races here too. So it's not he's dominating and he hits 6 winners on one card at leopard stones Christmas meeting on the 27th. And he trained real steel. He's a Willy Mullins cast off, and then goes on to win the paddy power chase. So he was connected to that horse as well. That was an extraordinary achievement. What I thought was even more impressive about that was the entries that he made for Christmas. It was a 143 entries he made.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"He was good. Say again? You presume they picked those kind of names for a horse they're like. I presume wexford native Jim bulger wants to have. His name that's a good horse. I know they think an awful lot of them at home. What the plan is for him. I don't quite know, it was a mile maiden sponsored by toast, actually. That was around 5 40 at now then, on the 29th of March, I highly recommend you watch it back. He ends up beating sun king who's a decent horse. He's a horse raised in 92. That's probably gone up since then. And was I was really impressed with and you'll know this better than me, Sarah, is that he was drawn very wide. He's coming out to start a 21. So he has to make up all of that ground by tracking over. And he was very, very keen throughout the race. Yet he still managed to gallop away over a mile out to win by two and a half lengths within a further 5 and a half lengths back to the third. Like he's bolted up. And there was a lot of money for Aiden's horse on the day sun king. So I think wexford native opened at 14 and was punted into 72 with colloquial in the morning and then went back out to 5s, but they think a lot of them where he goes, I don't know, but I would be very, very intrigued by him. And I think that the 2000 guineas is not just about like glanton, we believe goes to France. He obviously now has a question mark hanging over him. But the 2008 he says not going to be just about native trail corpus Luxembourg, point lonsdale, there are other horses who are emerging in wexner native is one of them. So. Who wants to be further than a mild or Disney? Yeah, I would imagine he's a Derby prospect, but they might swing at the guineas. They might take a swing, but he's probably at RV prospect. You're almost certainly right about that. Anything else to take from the race? I don't think so, it wasn't, it was probably the least exciting of the trials I thought. Moving on. In terms of strength. Homeless songs was put up by quite a few people. And got the job done for Chris a's and government world beating Joseph Brian who had a frustrating afternoon. Beaten again in a trial. Just about. We're just going to source a Villanova queen finishing third and sacred bridge for jawlines who obviously, as you were saying, had this phenomenal season last year until she went to new market. And then it went.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Just because he's a bit more favor in the betting, but I would have to simultaneous because, look, he's won three, hasn't he this season, three on the bounce. I mean, their pipe was a couple more question marks over him just the fact that he's been beaten a couple of times and he's obviously had Windsor during returning, I think he had a little injury or something. So there's probably a couple more question marks with him, but I think the Cornelius looks from the improve. So perhaps he's a bit more value. There's a part of me is almost willing to back him to win the race. See you poo. And there's another part of me that just can't get away from adagio. So we'll see. We'll see how it plays out. Thank you. And the other one hasn't. That's true. That's true. That's true, yeah. It has the experience of being to the cheltenham festival and has the experience of also running in the great wood. And that can stand them in very good stead. The betfair ascot Chase went to Ireland. For Mark Walsh and Joseph O'Brien, he really had to dug it out, finally industrial back and third with two for gold in second. What did you make of the performance? Yeah, great, great performance, wasn't it? From faculty do destruct, but I think Pacquiao who? Sorry, I was faculty. We've got Fannie and the best of our in there as well, haven't we the Venetian William talks? Yes, we do yet. Well, he actually he actually ran pretty well. I thought, third, because he sat, he sat out the back into the whole race, but yeah, I thought this was a very solid performance from the Joseph Bryan horse back he did a degree and yeah, he justified favorites and didn't he? I mean, two for gold is running a tremendous race back in second at 25 to one. And he had that inside rail and I thought he had every chance. But yeah, factory has been, I'd say in his career a little bit underrated. I mean, he's put up some really solid performances in the past. Runs from tremendous races. He's won plenty of great races as well. So he does go under the radar a little bit either thought in my opinion anyway. But yeah, take nothing away from you, I think it's great Joseph Brian sent him over to ask Scott and he was justified favoritism. Yeah, and I thought the horse takes from it was, yeah, funny industrial, because initial William's horse and child Deutsche sat. So quiet at the back held up in Rio and he stormed home to finish third and there were only obviously only four finishes. So the rest of the horses pulled up. So it was really a tough going ask on today. So I think Jackie raised pulled it out the fire. And I think he definitely goes under the radar, I think, of it. It probably doesn't get the recognition that he deserves. Yeah, I'd agree with that. It's probably got something to do with the fact that he's just gotten annihilated by all. Not once, not twice three times. And people look at that and just go, yeah, yeah. But he wins his fair share. And he's an entry winner. I mean, he was very impressive at entry last year. And he was so heavily backed. And it makes me wonder what the thought process is going to be with fakir duty. Because he's made it, he's made an absolute meal at the second last. And yet has managed to battle and Mark watts deserves an enormous amount of credit for this as well. He just put his head down and battled. And he's got that strong headwind to fight against as well. And he still managed to prevail. And you can, yes, you can criticize it in the sense that what about the horses who dropped away tamely, like what about Austin translation, tax rasher and San caldes were fancied in the bedding. And did nothing. He can only beat what's put in front of him. Fanny industrial is a very solid form guide. He's got an official rating of one 62. He's a very, very solid art stick. And he's beaten him and he's beaten a 154 rated two for gold, who was rallying all the time. I think that helped him. I think it helped him focus. So would you go to childhood and take on alo again and bid for glory or would you wait and just try and win back to back melling chase as an entry? Well, this is what you said like you said, I think the downfall of this whole traffic area has been alejo. His biggest rival. But there are because Idaho is definitely going to go for the Ryanair. I think there's no other race seller has them go for. Well, unless the school cup, but I don't think he's going to that. And then I mean, pretty similar, it's exactly to be honest, because to me, that's his ideal trip because he doesn't quite say three miles, I don't think, well, in my opinion, anyway, and he's obviously a great one winner over two and a half miles and aren't really that many choices for him. So it looks as though he would, if he does go check, he would have to line up against aloha. And you think, why not? I mean, given the way he's won at the weekend, he looks in good form. So suppose how he comes out this race, as I said, the end downfall that source is the fact that he's going to have to take on alejo again. He's beaten him so many times already in his career. Yeah, I think you're right. Look, maybe you go to cheltenham because you should never be afraid of one horse and certainly going there with chantry house last year. Taking on envoy on whenever one, including me, thought he couldn't be beaten and Downey comes at the second. The second or third, either way. It didn't quite go to plan. So you can't be afraid of one horse, but allaho was just a Lahore was devastating. A chart on last year. And there is no reason to think that he won't be the very same this time around. And everything that he's done this year leads you to that conclusion as well. So I think he's one of the most solid favorites of the entire festival. He probably won't go to any tree. So if you want to go to cheltenham, go. But entry is where you stand your better chance of winning. In terms of the disappointments of the race and fair play to Joseph O'Brien because as it was pointed out by both Rory and Melissa, flying over or getting the boat over whatever it is you were doing, that's not going to be easy in those conditions and we saw how difficult it was for airplanes to land at Heathrow and the damage that was done. So a well done to the tracks for getting the racing to go ahead and be well done for getting horse over from Ireland experiencing that either rough seas or turbulence and succeeding. The Paul Nichols factor we need to talk about. Because San calvados has been moved to the nickels yard. By case and Andrew Brooks,.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Just because he's a bit more favor in the betting, but I would have to simultaneous because, look, he's won three, hasn't he this season, three on the bounce. I mean, their pipe was a couple more question marks over him just the fact that he's been beaten a couple of times and he's obviously had Windsor during returning, I think he had a little injury or something. So there's probably a couple more question marks with him, but I think the Cornelius looks from the improve. So perhaps he's a bit more value. There's a part of me is almost willing to back him to win the race. See you poo. And there's another part of me that just can't get away from adagio. So we'll see. We'll see how it plays out. Thank you. And the other one hasn't. That's true. That's true. That's true, yeah. It has the experience of being to the cheltenham festival and has the experience of also running in the great wood. And that can stand them in very good stead. The betfair ascot Chase went to Ireland. For Mark Walsh and Joseph O'Brien, he really had to dug it out, finally industrial back and third with two for gold in second. What did you make of the performance? Yeah, great, great performance, wasn't it? From faculty do destruct, but I think Pacquiao who? Sorry, I was faculty. We've got Fannie and the best of our in there as well, haven't we the Venetian William talks? Yes, we do yet. Well, he actually he actually ran pretty well. I thought, third, because he sat, he sat out the back into the whole race, but yeah, I thought this was a very solid performance from the Joseph Bryan horse back he did a degree and yeah, he justified favorites and didn't he? I mean, two for gold is running a tremendous race back in second at 25 to one. And he had that inside rail and I thought he had every chance. But yeah, factory has been, I'd say in his career a little bit underrated. I mean, he's put up some really solid performances in the past. Runs from tremendous races. He's won plenty of great races as well. So he does go under the radar a little bit either thought in my opinion anyway. But yeah, take nothing away from you, I think it's great Joseph Brian sent him over to ask Scott and he was justified favoritism. Yeah, and I thought the horse takes from it was, yeah, funny industrial, because initial William's horse and child Deutsche sat. So quiet at the back held up in Rio and he stormed home to finish third and there were only obviously only four finishes. So the rest of the horses pulled up. So it was really a tough going ask on today. So I think Jackie raised pulled it out the fire. And I think he definitely goes under the radar, I think, of it. It probably doesn't get the recognition that he deserves. Yeah, I'd agree with that. It's probably got something to do with the fact that he's just gotten annihilated by all. Not once, not twice three times. And people look at that and just go, yeah, yeah. But he wins his fair share. And he's an entry winner. I mean, he was very impressive at entry last year. And he was so heavily backed. And it makes me wonder what the thought process is going to be with fakir duty. Because he's made it, he's made an absolute meal at the second last. And yet has managed to battle and Mark watts deserves an enormous amount of credit for this as well. He just put his head down and battled. And he's got that strong headwind to fight against as well. And he still managed to prevail. And you can, yes, you can criticize it in the sense that what about the horses who dropped away tamely, like what about Austin translation, tax rasher and San caldes were fancied in the bedding. And did nothing. He can only beat what's put in front of him. Fanny industrial is a very solid form guide. He's got an official rating of one 62. He's a very, very solid art stick. And he's beaten him and he's beaten a 154 rated two for gold, who was rallying all the time. I think that helped him. I think it helped him focus. So would you go to childhood and take on alo again and bid for glory or would you wait and just try and win back to back melling chase as an entry? Well, this is what you said like you said, I think the downfall of this whole traffic area has been alejo. His biggest rival. But there are because Idaho is definitely going to go for the Ryanair. I think there's no other race seller has them go for. Well, unless the school cup, but I don't think he's going to that. And then I mean, pretty similar, it's exactly to be honest, because to me, that's his ideal trip because he doesn't quite say three miles, I don't think, well, in my opinion, anyway, and he's obviously a great one winner over two and a half miles and aren't really that many choices for him. So it looks as though he would, if he does go check, he would have to line up against aloha. And you think, why not? I mean, given the way he's won at the weekend, he looks in good form. So suppose how he comes out this race, as I said, the end downfall that source is the fact that he's going to have to take on alejo again. He's beaten him so many times already in his career. Yeah, I think you're right. Look, maybe you go to cheltenham because you should never be afraid of one horse and certainly going there with chantry house last year. Taking on envoy on whenever one, including me, thought he couldn't be beaten and Downey comes at the second. The second or third, either way. It didn't quite go to plan. So you can't be afraid of one horse, but allaho was just a Lahore was devastating. A chart on last year. And there is no reason to think that he won't be the very same this time around. And everything that he's done this year leads you to that conclusion as well. So I think he's one of the most solid favorites of the entire festival. He probably won't go to any tree. So if you want to go to cheltenham, go. But entry is where you stand your better chance of winning. In terms of the disappointments of the race and fair play to Joseph O'Brien because as it was pointed out by both Rory and Melissa, flying over or getting the boat over whatever it is you were doing, that's not going to be easy in those conditions and we saw how difficult it was for airplanes to land at Heathrow and the damage that was done. So a well done to the tracks for getting the racing to go ahead and be well done for getting horse over from Ireland experiencing that either rough seas or turbulence and succeeding. The Paul Nichols factor we need to talk about. Because San calvados has been moved to the nickels yard. By case and Andrew Brooks,.
Monsters and Mixers
"joseph brian" Discussed on Monsters and Mixers
"Boy was born with a severe deformity. Embarrassment to the family. The was hidden away from the world. In order to quote the lips. Shame known today as the monkey face. Boy this unfortunate soul continues to show his presence at the mansion. Finally william junior tired of his trophy wife and filed for divorce in one thousand nine hundred eight why. She didn't take this step with all of his goings on could be nothing more than a sign of the times. The court proceedings surrounding the divorce became a major saint louis scandal with all four saint louis newspapers devoting extensive front page coverage to the messy affair. The trial opened in february. One thousand nine to crowds that flocked to the courthouse each day to witness the drama of tails of violence drunkenness. Atheism in cruelty virtually ignoring williams decadent activities. Lillian almost lost custody of william limp. The third because of a photograph that was presented at the trial showed her smoking a cigarette. This scandal in the end. She retained custody of their son but soon retired from the public. I the only time that she was ever seen wearing anything other than lavender was on the final day of her divorce proceedings when she appeared entirely in black before the judge trauma with the divorce. Wills troubles had only just begun in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine of the large breweries in the saint. Louis area had combined to form the independent breweries company. Creating fierce competition that the brewery had never faced in the same year will's. Mother died by cancer. On april sixteenth though the breweries fortunes were continually declining. The length mansion was entirely remodelled in one thousand nine eleven and partially converted into offices for the brewery at the same time. William allowed the company's equipment to deteriorate without keeping abreast of industry innovations by world war. One the brewers just barely limping along employment. Well william soon bill day country home on the merrimack river which increasingly retreated and in one thousand fifteen. He married a second time to elliot lindberg. That widow daughter of the late. Saint louis burr casper koehler. Then prohibition came along in one thousand nine hundred nineteen the eventu- individual family members were already wealthy. So there was little incentive to keep the berea float for a time. We'll hope that congress would repeal prohibition but finally gave up and close the lint plant down without notice. The workers learned in the closing when they came to work one day and found the door shut in gates locked on march twentieth. Nineteen twenty also limp William's sister the wealthiest arison saint. Louis shot herself just like her father had years before also said to have been despondent over her rocky marriage liquidating the assets of the plant and auctioning the buildings william junior sold the famous lymph falstaff logo to brew joseph Brian dick riddick for twenty five thousand dollars in one thousand.
Fantasy Football Today Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on Fantasy Football Today Podcast
"Npr. I you look at the bills against tight ends. It's it's been good has not been great against tight ends. He's not a great start but in terms of the two guys. I'm sorry that's what you're asking a arnold over competent but he's not my top twelve. I wasn't making. I was i was just saying you know. He's playing the bills. Dan arnold and tight end is just one position where they haven't been mega elite against so far Any interest in mohali targets. Keep up for arnold because there is. I think it was two games ago. He wasn't targeted very much at all. And who's very unproductive. I don't think he's that good of a player. He has eight five ten targets in his last. Three games stint arnold. He's basically been there their replacement for dj shark from a target standpoint. Jamal new is taking viscous in all fields. The both those guys are playing more so than chenault and what chuck would have been so three more names. I just want us to ratchet molly cox against the jets. Tommy sweeney if knox's out at jacksonville and evan ingram i guess against the of ingram. I put on the list Again another match but as you saw he wasn't involved with those second africa chiefs molly cox is somebody to add as well. Just hoping course. Okay but in all seriousness. If you can stash logan thomas i think he's worth the stash. Oh absolutely dave and foster moreau. I suppose if if while there doesn't play we heard anything about waller. They said he should be okay. So then don't don't stash. Dst's patriots at carolina saints at atlanta at home against atlanta ravens against the vikings dolphins against the texans panthers against new england. And there's one more jamie the raiders. What do you think about the raiders at the giants. Not bad at all. Twenty two percent rostered. So it's pretty good week for. Dsp's on the waiver wire and also the colts the eighty percent roster. Kohl's get the jets on thursday with the mike white performance are the cold still a highly ranked. Dsp for you this week. Yeah he's still had two interceptions. It wasn't like it was perfect. Fumbled to. Yeah some saks okeydokey. Mike badgley daniel carlson greg. Joseph brian johnson.
The Final Furlong Podcast
"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Should we do zaki in the Cox plate and incentivize? I'm not backing talking. The Cox played over. I said this after his first win in Melbourne when he went down there and he won. I said, I didn't like that. Look, this is just me looking at the television. I don't confess to anyone. I don't want to upset anyone, but he looked a little bit short these action to me that first run. And he came out and got beaten. And I've got a sneaky suspicion, and that's all of these. Again, I don't want to put anyone else out of joy. I promise you, I was just looking at it from a phone perspective from all the things I do. I just got a sneaky suspicion this also doesn't go left handed that well. Old informed pride in Australia was right handed. If he comes out and throws me wrong, right? That's absolutely fine, but I could not go near him for the Cox played even if he was a bigger price than what he's a moment. I don't like that run the other day. I blame it on pace, but I wouldn't be blamed on Facebook. I just think it was disappointing. I really do. And even the win the start before, I was wondering, I went wow. I wouldn't be back in this course for the Coldplay. If you're watching over the last four months, it looks like last furlong, it looked like it was short striding. I wouldn't go near my I think the three year old enema, I don't like to draw a strong ten out of ten. If you drawn in the middle, but I think he's a very good three year old. I don't think it's a great renewal of the race. He's got no wife on these back pain that's three year old and provided he can slot into a spot from that wide drawer. I think he could be the one. And also, what's the name of the Joseph O'Brien horse? The one in America, I'm struck a state of rest. So the Brits, thank you. I was on stage side that night. And I know a God helps us be ones that Cox played or they'll be jumping out of place to bank the Australian form. But I tell you something, that went in America and I know the opposition are less but why couldn't he should? A nice Turner put that on I did. I think he might be host very much on the opera. It wouldn't surprise me if he runs a hell of a race as well. And as I said, if he wins it, there'll be no overhead. I'll be saying, well, listen to the horses come in the cocks play. But I think I know he's no superstar over here, but I think he might be a bit better than what we've seen over here so far. And, you know, with Joseph O'Brien, as we know, where he knows what it takes to win these sort of races. He ain't going to send down a horse down there that he doesn't believe anyways, the chance of winning it. There's no way he would send it. I think he could run you a bit of a race of the process. He's 9s, John Allen on board, John stall 8 and sold. So if he runs that run in America and again, I know the opposition look I know the form of America and I'm a fair bit about American racing, but I'm telling you now he won that he was in his own race that night. And I just thought, wow, that's, you know, I don't know if racing posted a great job and then look at the ratings for the race. But if that's not his best run today, I'd be very surprised. I thought he'd look good. It's just he's trying to foot was so impressive yeah. And he could be a player as well. But personally, I would not go near his Archie in the race. And I hope that I'm putting him on the way there. But I don't like what I've seen in my last two starts. Zakis or pure is one 29, although I want to mention instantly reuter argues. But zakis is that do you want to know what animals, the dolphin horse the coming source, we Craig Williams? Do you want to know what his or pure is? Yep, go ahead. One four one. Never looking sure. Is RPO is one four one two 7 one. One one four, is it? One four one. Number ten, captivated one 40 gold trip one 29 zachi one 29. So let's unless someone's messed up. Yeah, I think so, I think he's writing would be like so I don't know what he's writing is at the moment, but I think he's a very good three year old he was unlucky in the golden slipper last year. He's got often horse. So he's got the pedigrees by street bus. A three year old's list of three year olds one well, when I say lesser horses of three year olds have come with a lesser reputation at the same stage of the career won the race. They get a big weight allowance. I'm trying to remember what it is off the top of my head and I don't want to say in case I'm wrong. But he's like you carry for our perspective. He'll carry 7 stone 11 compared to zaki is gonna be carrying 9 stone four. Yeah, and he arrives at having one over the mile last time. Look, and that was the caulfield Guinea. This will be the first time he steps up with this other trapez never been beyond the mile before. In fact, he's only had one side of the model, but I do think he'll run the trip out. He just looks a very exciting horse. And I think given it's an English disappointing last time out three elegant who's normally. She could bounce back, but she was disappointing last time. Now, the other one is probability, actually, he beats up your last time. She's a pretty good affiliate, a pretty good mayor I should say, she'd be another one. I'd put into the mix. Joseph, Brian, won a probability of an animal would probably be my three. It wouldn't shock me at very elegant bounce back, but I've always kind of thought I don't know if the Cox plate really suits her. Look, I was supposed to find out. But you know, she's obviously a good man. She said those battles would have Dave. She's mostly come off second best, but she did beat him earlier in the year..
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"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Room. And face the same person who's giving her sustained abuse. That's what the report says. It's sustained abuse. So I'm shocked that nobody stepped up and went oh, that's enough. Or that he himself didn't. Grab hold himself and go, what the hell are you doing? It's suppressing its disappointing and in 2021 as we head closer to 2022. The really, it's one thing to be trolled online to have that kind of thing happening in the workplace. We can't have this. It's wrong. It's wrong. It's morally wrong. It's ethically wrong. And I can't understand how she hasn't been supported more. But the line in the times and I'll repeat it again is bullying culture, the headline is briny frost reveals shocking bullying culture and horse racing. She didn't really, because that actually implicates the cheat that she didn't. This has to have come from the BHA. In horse racing, that's a professional opinion. Allegedly. I'm assuming it came there. First rule of law never assume, but there are reasons as you and I both know as to why somebody who was with the BHA or maybe still is with the BHA may have their reasons for leaking this story. Not rightly. There could be a reason as to why that happened. But well, the bottom for this. The bottom headline is case report maintains that Robbie Don bullied and this is the case report case report maintains that Robbie Don bullied and harassed 26 year old frost over a prolonged period in her place of work. But it is the delay in coming to a conclusion that has partly fueled this, isn't it? Why has it taken so long? It would take you actually the soul analogy again. If a T-shirt hears of an allegation of bullying in the classroom, the quicker you can clear it up the better because you actually cut off the potential for bullying in the future from the same bully to the same victim. Anyway, clearly things go on all the time in the world. There are bad, but you have to address that particular situation as quickly as you can, and nip it in the bud. As you say, there will be other people assuming that all this, these are allegations at the moment. But assuming that there is truth in this, there will be other people this is from the report. This is from this is from the case report. It maintains that he did that. Just for our own sake, I can say that. Well, was it made more difficult by the fact that others weren't this because and if they couldn't get that information, think of something like if it goes to a course of law, you do need witnesses don't you? You otherwise it's just one person's word against another. I'm not in any way suggesting. There's anything in the report that is on true. But we are looking at an issue here, potentially of severity of what went on. And I personally don't think that any anybody is acceptable in any circumstances. But what formed did it take? Was it words was it more than that? Was it aggression? And I need to know more. And I need to also know why it has taken so long to. The report that you referring to there, and to become more public knowledge. So there's forget why it's now become public knowledge. But I need to know more. Where things deliberately handled away in order to hide them from public view or is it that the investigation has taken a long time to complete. But either way that bullying as we know could make people's lives an absolute misery to the point where they don't want to turn up whether it be a school or whether they're going to the workplace. And it would be awful to think there's such an example happening in sort of horse racing. I have to say that in all the time that I've been going racing, which is decades. Now I'd never seen or got the feeling that this is a problem that repeats itself over and over again. But at the same time, that doesn't mean to say that it doesn't. Maybe it's just extremely well hidden. And that is often the case with bullying, isn't it? It can surprise even people who are quite close to the situation who have no idea that it's going on. And I've seen it in workplaces. I've never actually been involved myself on either side of the equation. But I think that the leaking of the report actually poses more questions than answers. Yeah, and it also damages a potential court case. Which this is almost certainly headed towards, because now it's in the court of public opinion. And because it's so well known in public opinion. That then does whether the intention of this person was to get it out there so that it's known. The fact is that this is, this is a case, and now public knowledge can harm that. And it doesn't do it that many favors. So that's another wrinkle in it. But I agree with you that it's not something that I thought we can think of. I remember Kieran Fallon pulling a jockey off of a horse one day because I remember the footage been shown to me. I think I'm going to be a bit young to appreciate it at the time, but I remember talking about Karen falcon on the show when someone sent me a link to Karen Fulton. Literally pulling a jockey off for her. By the way, get your minds out of the gutter. He threw a guy off a horse, right? That's what happened. And the fact that he, you know, he did that is that how do you describe that? Is that just a case of it's rage in this day and age, it would be physical assault. But it's an incredibly complex matter that really should be handled by the BHA, the really should be handled by them issuing a full and detailed report instead of that report being leaked to the times. Who then writes about it and every journalist, including Oz, then has to scour through it and go well, what does this mean? What does this mean? And you know if people accusing Brian frost of leaking it, and it's not in her interest to do that. I just don't think that that's I also don't think she'll have the report. I don't think she'd have access to it. So I don't think that it can be heard. I think it has to have come from. The BHA themselves. For whatever reason. It's come from there. But it's a depressing it's a depressing read. And it's a depressing thought. So we'll end on a better one. Colin Keane. Smashes the all time record for winners in a season. As we are recording, and we've talked to one champion jockey already whose Irish, by the way, just settle knowledge there. Colin Keane, this season's not done yet. 132 winners. The records was a 127. The Joseph Brian had prior to that, there was a long-standing record that McKinnon had he is an extraordinary but an extraordinary jockey and goes from strength to strength. He's an extremely good jockey. The funny thing is that they're in the UK where I'm based. He is largely unknown, because he doesn't come to either very often. Certainly doesn't have any winners here. That's because of the nature of the kind of rights. He gets his works for and also the fact that he seems to just love riding winners, doesn't he? Is he one of those jockeys? And we have them over here from such. So I'm champion jockeys who you don't see that often in the group one. So they don't win that many group ones, but they just like accumulating lots and lots of winners, which you say that he sees that as being his number one mode of software. I think that if I think his relationship with your lines is a very close one and jar obviously has built his stable up over the years. And so he is competing in group ones more than he would have been. He's also come in for support for the likes of 8 and O'Brien, for example, who supported him last year and his utilized up this year as well. But I think that with the late great pat small and having passed away, God rest him having dominated this championship for 9 successive years. Colin wanted to go out there. And I think the line from both color and machine was they wanted to win it for him. And last year it was a really close it was a very, very close battle last year between Colin and chain. This year, it's a no contest. It's a knockout. He's absolutely blitzed..
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"joseph brian" Discussed on Racing Post
"Once you've paid the tax. And i think the phrase that he used to the extent that it was a stepping stone rather than the end goal based on those financial circumstances but like i mean for black-tie point of view. If i had a mayor that i was looking to try and get placed by not in any way on estimate that there isn't quality in the german race. Bandon means i'm looking to try to get in an irish group on our german groupon. Something you'd certainly look. And i think even jessica harrington last traded as by sites please and the german okay since she was four mark johnson. Hey over there as well so you know it's something. I absolutely love international competition. I think it's fantastic far east the better but there must be the challenges whether it be prize money tax etcetera. This seemed to be getting in the way some edged exit as well. Sorry going chris i was just gonna say i know that hugo palmer wanted to run one in the german guineas awhile back and i think william haggas had a horse that had sort of race marked out from germany but both decided against it because at that stage of the season with regulations in germany was basically made fairly clear that runs for britain. Were not welcome unless you were prepared to go through all sorts of folks that that just made it unattractive. I essentially had to hand over the horse at kelly. A neither of those market trainers were prepared to do that but but evidently you know things must have been smoothed over Implying crop and over thought it was a one of those uncompromising rates luke morris. He's basically closed the door on the german favourite quater tasso After the turn for home and that's decisive because that one has come home real strong second-place but it is too late and there was gone. And i'm so looks not your steve costing kind of Smooth burlesque style of jockey but Got the job done that day. He did a pardon me the way that groups of priests boom boom was on sunday. The rights to always talking about is on. Saturday or was on. Saturday is the saratoga dhabi. Of course it was won by state of rest ugly a maiden win amok but he netted a fabulous money on alaska's to beat functionally ballet like cool contingent. What did you make of his performance. Jesus vote performance. Wasn't like i couldn't see common oral and tom collins very sweet and have to give a lot of credit to him because this was a fair price and he was very very confident in this until it so hats off to him and again as as macaulay. Brian cheer pointed in today's paper joseph. Brian is absolutely no flies on him when it comes to international campaign and you know what we saw with byron. Somebody who. I remember believe actually got beat at more american. The sixty s. I don't think he's looked back since you know absolutely Watched him with with gritted teeth but would have for what he's done since you know. He had a vitamin race belmont. And he landed another one Nights of the same card and he goes over again with this. We know exploits in australia as well. You know he. He successfully francis wells up good prize money in. Oh he's he's just highly finger on the pulse here teams when it comes to to pick out these these targets in identifying the right sort of horses that you can travel. 'cause it doesn't suit all on our obviously this was the second after a pretty decent break and you know his juvenile pharmacy. Season might have been totally while but there were instead he could be quite good But did i this absolutely nash. I was already writing. I think budgetary by Ultimately distorted track a little bit sharper debenham. On last time over. My accent might want to think it was. That just might be a chance for him. I think they tried to be aggressive on him. In the sense they weren't gonna says get trapped in a pocket. And i can appreciate dash but you know i think it just might have caught a most laid on. I think he'd be more comfortable stepping back. Open ship a maybe on a more state attract over here. Let's say a car or something like that or a leper stone and we're might be disappointed with cadillac too. I thought he thought he would run better. I thought that was a sort of race. He chew up bettering. Possibly he might bounce. You never know opposite international tax. The car that was coming off the back of what two hundred and forty days off. So am i give him another chance. Potentially but was disappointed at face value cadillac k. Thanks very much mark now. This podcast very international flavor. Hasn't and that's gonna continue. Because this week's i liked is the pre of fresnay before inject on sunday. Let's talk about not including palace pair after this. Be sure to watch racing. Post live with fair for racing reaction. Tips and discussion live every saturday afternoon. On the racing. Post youtube channel came. Let's delve into another woman. And i've in fronts on sunday. We have the lme Invasion this time but very kindly at mocking. Chris praised Previous nation the whole sit surrounds usually well last year. Anyway was palace paige on. He looks set to going again for john. Anthony gosden interesting is engaged. We're not sure exactly he's gonna Feed perhaps could go else web out on Politics flagstones every doubts. Maybe he's gonna turn appear again mother us for a neighbor on the progress job when it could turn out relatively quickly as well. This could happen interesting. Shake to chris. Is it bad to save it. All hinges on palace wafi made of his performance decipher all this season. First of all you want to see who turns up. I mean there's a long list of big names there. I think you know. Forget even like a third of them. It's going be a fine race. Yeah palace pier keep impressive. You'd have to say you know case with the lock enj- lady both open second place at that point you'd be going well with she do for the form but you know now. She's a group one winner in her own right and then he's gone on followed up in the queen only been beaten the one time and that was in desperate ground. And i don't think it's going to be desperate. Grind looking forecasts. For deauville in the next few days. I think the rain today but but not huge nights and then it's going to be so can holiday making weather for the next six days so Yeah i'd say that you probably looking at good maybe even good to firm By the time we get to sunday. That's that's gonna be right palace peers. Cup of tea but You know last five runnings of this race has been won by three year olds and it's a good time of year three with weight-for-age that they get. I think you have to be pretty interested in any from the classic the generation that take up to take him on The one that's up front of my mind after. Says larry look jim voters or run another big race at goodwood dryer surface. Here it'd be.
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"joseph brian" Discussed on The Final Furlong Podcast
"Japan. Who as lucy are recording is going to be running tonight at leopardstown over a distance that he hasn't run over since he was a juvenile. So that's gonna be an interesting one to see. I genuinely hope he wins. But cinemas in there. And i'm like oh the best anyway. Aiden has said that it's essentially on the thursday. If it's a saturday race ryan will say okay. I'm going to the source and aiden might push him in the direction go. You haven't listened since you're lasted ballydoyle. You know this horses showing a bit of work. You might wanna you want to switch to snowfall nano santa barbara And the only time that changes is if they need him. They require him for america. If they say look we want you on mendelssohn in the kentucky. We want you out there on that horse which meant he missed the guineas. Dunkin's blaming it on sex and more year he went on a or magna graecia one or the other But when you look at the the racing's of this race she's one twenty. The nearest tour is nicest for dunnock on one five and nobody wants to take her on. Except for kumar. We've got jar lines. Who won the race last year for cool more. Actually with party has We've got Joseph brian has a horse for Bali gallon stalled and The stack team and chris as have won four surprise. Surprise mrs joe magner With the caitlyn park starts so that would be a full share with galileo. The poor lake great galileo essentially in the in recent years. When you when you bread today. Oh you're essentially paying something in the region of half million and cool more also the option to have half of that horse so they they're su- magnolias is involved in a handful of summers. Who you know is a sixty six to one shot as we record the horse that it's interesting to hear you mentioned divinely. The worst that i thought was interesting. Willow and i was very pleased and also at the same time extremely pissed off at myself that i had been so focused on recording that i missed the racing. Post shocker telling me. Willow runs today. And she's living to to. Because i'd b-actor who knows how many times mentioned or somebody comes in the final form of podcast. I was like no. I just think there's a bit they're out of peeping phone by american pharaoh. I'd like to think she could run a big race I kinda think she should be much shorter than nicest. I am. Not nicest a big race at roy. Ascott and actually. I can't remember if you were on the show or not for that show but she was my bed in that race she was sixty six to one at the time. It was the ribblesdale and a red favorite for the state team. Noon star I think nicest has got more to come. But i don't know if i want to backer at a single figure price against snowfall when this race could be running. Who knows how like if divinely goes off and makes all the running. Then you kinda boost. I just think willow. They'll ride to try and finished second. I think they'll go. We can't beat snowfall but could finish second year so She's probably the place better each way in the race. But you don't have to get involved financially. Just sit back relax and enjoy it. And who would you go for is your place but is it going to be divinely. It will be divinely ice. Thought she'd run better than she did it. So i i do think she's got a win not too far away but obviously it's not going to be in this race. I think like you say exists. I think she's probably that fry. Space the donners. How he spoke about to be honest. That's true to don. Aku spoke very very highly. Saw he really likes it. That's a good point and said she was in the form of her life going. Ross go to look she. She did career-best. I come back to willow. I come back to will. Just the forty links. She was beaten in the oaks oval but winning last time i was enlisted company in actually the trial this on-going willow as an each way play or probably just a straight place bed until because no full wins. There's a couple of others at the curragh we have the anglesey stakes. I'll just mentioned this very very brief because the entertainer runs and roy. Moore's on board. And last time i was sent off at twenty one shot and was beaten by go. Bears go who is tipped on this show by naomi tucker so shout it to naomi. She got you the gravy. I think this fella is a lot better than we've seen so far and it's very interesting that he's the only representative for a brian so easy. Caravaggio he'll be back on good ground. Yes i'm aware of the fact that it was groundless time. But i think there's more to come from him so i'd give him a chance. I will give mentioned to me and mental on the sunday. Three twenty for jessica harrington. We talked about her on the part. She was a huge eye-catcher on darby day. At the curragh she broke terribly and then just run into a wall of forces. I think she's going to be compensated at the weekend. So we don't have a market for that race yet but it's the three hundred zero. The irish celine firms phillies handicap. I think memento is a good thing. And the other horse. I think is a good thing for joseph o'brien and that's in the five o'clock on the sunday towards called in fabric answer. He described the horses as a dark horse earlier. In the season she won last time. Out as a seven to one sheldon killarney. She's been given a seven pound rise. She wants snugly that day. I think that grossly underestimated her ability and daughter of no name. Ever think she'll take a lot of beating. We're possibly going to see order of australia as sarah. Lynam sends me message. Hello sir so we were possibly to see order. Ustralia at nevada starting stuff over seven furlongs at the car again on sunday that it'll be a to ten live racing tv. So check that out. Hopefully as lucy and i review the weekend's racing i think one of our american colleagues is going to be on with it. It could be. It could be naomi. I say this. Because bob it is permitted to have new york runners again as judge overrules. Ny oray ban.
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"joseph brian" Discussed on Racing Post
"The i know that you did come up and stand side. And and he was really the first one to do it. But i think that was quite good steam race. You know. I might use free old a lot lot race for year olds in it. They want a good pace of to finish in. Spate was quite good. is always a good sign and cam was well. Supported in the market wasn't a coach. The big token do shandon going. Did he that the hot favourite lost. I think both front shoes or front show and didn't end up lining up so if you're on the favorite that was a bit of a disappointment but tash came second favorite and he did do the business quite well Some is not. The runner-up travel beautifully. I traveled like the best hopes in the rice. Ortho and i just felt like he got bogged down in the in the rarely testing ground. The mall preska. He's really improving young style and he'll be very very good on better ground again. Possibly one for one of the steam races glorious goodwood summa's night for the prescott. It's definitely foam to be positive about that. Mall and six handicapped one by tashkent. Yes small horse used to be trained by emmett. Mullins now with brian ellison maybe the melrose over two miles could be next for him but soft ground. I think is crucial to wherever he goes next. I don't think many handled the ground in the old newton cup won by a lunatic. The winner certainly did formally trained in germany so he was used to these conditions the first win for andrew balding he still went off a mock up a hundred two. They affair efim fair. He moves through the race in knock. But much like you. I don't think it's rock solid form. I think plenty add viable excuses. Mainly the ground. Longside cider hated. It absolutely detested that soft ground. They will even a real big print heidel as always do it. Seems heidel have a meeting when it doesn't ryan Alongside it was just went out early in the strike. Hated the ground women much on quick conditions. Now i on tests. Don't don't look too much into that. Uh fencing for the ibo if he runs the personally dot jed. I took plenty of money as well. Weaves morning gamble about ms racing Didn't produce brilliant light loss to show you probably escobar went to to foster early in those testing conditions. Take absolutely nothing wife me knock. I mean he won pretty close in the end achieved in all of one hundred. Fifteen is joint career-best along with his second in the hardwick lost year. I went back in to confirm the phone with someone is in behind the if the ground. Gob it quicker. So i'd be looking at that race. And in fact the almost six handicap earlier on the car which g roads says it was a good rice. I think it was good rights too. But i will buy. Johnson is hated the ground condo asami and harlem soul and i wouldn't be surprised if they bounced back in typical mark johnson fashion. Next time out. I perhaps that could be flurries could would attract that trainer. Xl latte traditionally now the to racist that we talked about some witching. Them was the lancashire bikes one by alpinist. Tom you very keen had beforehand and she sort does what she says on. The ten doesn't choose a strong staff. And you know you're going to get some money with her. She's building a really nice profile precisely that she was eclipsed down on fulham unofficial writings. Aecom believe he was eleven to four th allows extremely generous. obviously she have slight ground Doubts because she'd never run on anything that testing would have a good form came on good to firm good ground. She always runs. Rice custom. rousing has another purpose. they're on a hands as she always seems to And i think the lily lanktree probably going to be the ideal spot for our police given. She's already won it good with this year. When she wasn't hundred fit in behind lady hayes ran a screamer at huge finish second. She's very unexposed. She represents veronese israeli golfer. double figure process. Let line whoever She was twenty two to one or something They were asking to go to the us. A connections are arina has been run over in the states I'm most surprised that said joe's boat in barron decided to stick to the uk racist given. How one soft ground. And she won't get anything like that in the states but also really nice rice lady hayes. I wouldn't be giving up on her bow police to was to stand up. Beforehand proved in the rice. Yeah they mentioned the sanctuary as in yorkshire access possible next target so must admit when i saw this race and saw the prideaux royal heir the wolmar six race Along shop will be a perfect fit for this philly particularly given. She's now shirt. She handle soft ground. Look wonderful tonight won the race last year. I've been looking at something like that for her down the line if she proves up to it at wrote anything to add on this this progressive great vinny. She was very very tough guy martha in this race because she was raised up with the pace and the the from free in the market with some of those were cutting out the pace. And i just thought they would go in a good enough pice. Mystery angel was founded. I think was up there as well and She really kept home when the others flounded. Strike so i think she may be a little bit extra credit for that. It's hard to gauge. With the times when it gets louder hideout because coast the ground cots up so is the grand cuts up. It's quite difficult to even write races in comparison with the previous ones. Because if you're on the fresher ground tend to rumba times. But i think she's a good philly opening easter. It was almost a really good life in some prescott. Wasn't it because he did have some is not finished second. But we'll say indeed now. Let's get some notebook. Horses aren't gonna guy i i'm gonna sneak in at because all really caught my eye limerick on sunday masic ground now trained by joseph. Brian formerly raced in the middle east. But i urge you to log on to racing poston out. This horse win in three. Twenty at limerick has a site super impressive and unimagined. He'll be winning decent races before long. Any horses you want to highlight tom. Well managed to catch many of the racism. Aside achy apart from the ones that we've covered Pity because i was driving and to the scott sheet as in west london on friday there were a couple of policies. The interesting little sunny listed in that seven villanova choices signed on was really impressive for charlie house. One by five and a half Five and a half lengths be a useful horse by looks vein. Dukedom who jonathan. He goes to clearly recognize clock. Good given the money at thoughts into fought six favorite owned by the crane asana as well so i thought sonny liston was really impressive. Don't give up on dukedom. Eva wasn't given the best. Ride by frankie and haydock. No don cost us. Sorry must shala in the one mouthful novus event. I was at kempton last time. I put my shower up as my lead. Three point tip tip me in the pipe. He was even money. And i was thinking crossed. I want to be putting up at. It's on show actually went off at once a full which was bit embarrassing at the end. He nearly lost a god of ready. Made a bit of a pig's ear of this although he has one you'd expense by straight when he came out at don't cost on. Friday improves that he's patient host. He bolted up at one. Awful long trip helped him wrote barrens another useful middle distance prospects. Another son of franco. He's having a great season as asya. I won't be given up on michelle for grade. F agreed breaks. It's our that's my. Us us influence grew. Grace's moving forward..
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The Mcstay Family Murder: Setting the Scene
"The mcstay family had recently moved into their new house on on a nice cul de sac in fallbrook California Nets. At the time they disappeared. They had relocated from a beachside apartment in San Clemente. Joey and summer next day had been making plans working on home renovations when they stopped responding to texts and phone calls on February Fourth Twenty ten Joseph was forty he owned and operated earth inspired products misses a business at designed installed water fountains. It had been. Joey's dream to be self employed Loyd in order for him to spend as much time as possible with his sons Johnny h four and Joseph Junior h three. Joey's summer was a licensed assist real estate agent. She taken some time off in order to be a stay at home mother. Yeah and to work on the house. 'cause there was a lot of work to be done there. They big cleanser this house. Stay Dead Joey and summer had each been married once before when they met and according to friends they fell in love quickly and they were just crazy about each other and quite happy. So let's go into summer. Joey's history is a bit just to get a better understanding of who they were as people and who they were as a couple before this all happened. So Joey's birth name was Joseph Allen Ashley. His Mother Susan married his biological logical father. Robert Lee right out of high school but the marriage just didn't last very long at all. Susan then met Patrick mcstay. Nineteen in seventy one and Patrick was quite happy to take over his. Joey's father he and Susan married in nineteen seventy two. They were married and and Patrick adopted Joey with Robert. Ashley's permission which I found pretty interesting and with this adoption Joe. His name was legally changed to Joseph. Brian mcstay then in nineteen seventy-three. Joey's brother Michael was born. And Joey was a doting big brother. Who really love to help out with Michael's care but unfortunately Patrick and citizens marriage didn't last long either and they divorced in nineteen seventy five and and they would continue to have some back and forth issues over the years? Although Susan remarried and maintained custody of Joey and Michael the two boys did continue to spend in time with their father Patrick and for a while in his teens joey went to live with his dad in Dallas Texas. So according to Patrick the father he was is very close with Joey. A very good relationship is consistent adopted kid right right Berkeley her very good relationship. Well I mean. He came in pretty early in. Joey's life so there wasn't a lot of you know arguing back and forth about anything not a lot of that. You're not my real father stuff through now. Joey met his first wife Heather in nineteen ninety and they got married in nineteen ninety two in nineteen ninety six. They had a son now. Al Joanne Heather lift in San Clemente near the beach. Had his father's pretty wealthy Yona jewelry store in Laguna beach but he really likes Joey and he helped give his daughter just an absolutely beautiful wedding and before he met and married Heather Joe. It had several jobs he worked as a waiter and bartender. He also started his own small business designing and selling products now later. He began designing small waterfalls and fountains in his garage. He borrowed a little bit of money from his father opened a shop which he called Naturally Dana Point and by late nineteen ninety six was quite successful. He had made over two hundred thousand dollars in sales then he brought his brother Michael and open naturally DP fountains with the least warehouse for the production. So he's starting to move up a little bit here. Yes very hard worker very motivated. But Heather enjoys marriage. Rich fell apart and he found out that heather was having an affair and she had become pregnant by her lover but still he kind of blamed himself at least in part are because he'd been working a lot so he wasn't spending much time with her. He tried to work things out even told heather that he would happily raise the new baby as his own But it was too late. Heather was already in love with this other guy and she decided on a divorce but apparently this was devastating to joey. He was still in love with heather so he was pretty heartbroken and depressed any moved in with his mom and according to her he went through months and months of depression. He and his brother Michael continued to run the fountain business though and eventually they got together with a computer expert named Dan. Kavanagh Dan and help them build a website so they could begin doing their business as earth inspired products online so people could go online and order fountains so this is really opened up things for them then. Joey did meet summer. That was in two thousand four. They were introduced by. Joey's friend who was named macgyver. So I don't remember. He had enough his parents liked the TV show. It's a strange name choices in it or yeah so summer was just breaking up with her longtime boyfriend. Vic and Joey and summer's relationship moved fast but she was worried about how vic was going to react to her being with someone a new so soon she didn't own a house with vic and had to go through the legalities of getting her name off of the property in the mortgage and getting some money out of that so summer was a bit eccentric and she had been known by more than one name so this would end up causing a lot of speculation after the family's family's disappearance like what was going on with her. She was born Virginia Lisa Aranda and had also been known as SUMMER MARTELLI SUMMER ARANDA RANDOM MARTELLI LISA Aranda and Lisa Martelli Summers mom raised her and her two siblings on her own as a single mom in both California and Chicago and according to summer's mother Martelli was the surname of Summers Stepdad. Now another thing that summer did that would lead some people to question things was that she was also known to have taken some years off her age when speaking to people. But there's no evidence that she used this new birth date on any legal documents family members including her sister. Heavens suggested that her name changes were just her own preference and it wasn't anything anything to avoid any legal entanglements. She was just the kind of person who wanted to make up her own name. She went to live in California and be named summer and she did did. She did it so summer gave birth to Joey's first son Johnny in two thousand five and in less than two years later Joseph Junior was born a summer had an aversion to hospitals and both boys were delivered at home shortly after Joseph. Juniors born Joe in summer got married and this is a small ceremony in Orange County. The summer side of the family didn't attend. She didn't seem very close to family. And this worry. Joey's mother so the night before the wedding summer had called her family s and not to come to the wedding and stole his mom. Susan was never quite sure awesome redundant no but it seems like. Joey knew why he wasn't questioning it. So you know there were issues but what family doesn't have issues really. Were your those issues. His issues right and these were a little extraordinary. I guess but who knows what was going on and it was a small second marriage. So maybe it wasn't a big deal. Having family. There is a bigger deal to some people than others where I would put that as a priority. I'd like they're where my family at my wedding. Of course right. Yeah but not all. My family came to my wedding. We'll important one stood. Oh okay well. According to a lot of people though summer was very jealous of Joe his first wife Joey and heather shared custody of their son Jona. Joey's friends friends and family said that summer was very caring Jona even though she wasn't always thrilled with heather. Summer did complained to her sister. Tracy that heather would barge barge into their house regularly. You know even walking in when Joey's in the shower kind of weird and she would drop off Jona without calling ahead and just kind of expect. Expect summer to Babysit so summer was trying to get along and she put up with it at first but eventually she told Joey that she was going to have to break up and leave if he didn't set some boundaries with the ex wife now to me that seems totally reasonable for those to me too yeah. I'm not just a working or drop off daycare right. No Yeah and you're not married to him anymore. So what are you walking into the House for is if you live here. Durham my house. Yeah Komo Yard. That's right so I totally get that. I mean it's territorial thing if nothing else plus. It's disrespectful very disrespectful. To summer summer and to summer and Joey's relationship maybe not the best thing for Jona to see either possibly not