14 Burst results for "Jose Pedraza"
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"He was blasted out by taya fima Lopez. He was beaten pillar to post by Vasily lomachenko, and I'm sorry, I'm not gonna get excited about the fact that he had a draw against Jose pedraza. That doesn't tell me that he still has something left. This is a bad fight. I don't know how much clearer we need to be. It should not be a ESPN televised main event. I mean, if you want to make the fight fine, but again, I don't think it is, I don't think of it as a main event, particularly when it's taking the place of the potential of the prograde fight. So like you said, I'm just not the Richard Comey is a good dude and he's had a good career and all that, but I mean, but he's got to he's got to do, he's got to do what he did after those back to back losses to Robert Easter and to shafikov. He went out. He won what, four, 5 fights in a row before the Lopez fight, he won a belt. Like he rebuilt himself and made himself viable for that TFE mo Lopez fight. Right now he's not viable. He's not. He looks like and he's fighting at a weight class above what he was at his best at. So I can't go into that fight. I think it's going to be remotely competitive. That's my biggest problem with it. I don't think Comey would be competitive against Ramirez. There's just no real reason to do the fight. I mean, I can not get excited about that one at all. And I like each fighter. I like Ramirez. I like Comey, but the match just feels like we already know the result. I mean, unless he lands that Hail Mary punch on Ramirez, who's always showing himself that a good chin anyway, you already know what's going to happen. I can tell you right now, that fight's like, you know, 8 rounds to two, you know, going to the scorecards. You know, write it down. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. All right, let's move on to some of the chatter going on between Ryan García and tank Davis. Tech Davis had a media workout in Miami this week. Of course, the subject of Ryan García comes up Ryan, of course, has elected not to go ahead with a stay busy fight against barcelo gasta instead to just keep training to go on to the fight against tank, presumably for mid April, though we'll see what happens with tank over these next couple of months. Let's start with Ryan's decision, not to take the stay busy fight. We've heard some criticisms from people like golden boy from Oscar De La Hoya himself. What did you make of Ryan deciding not to fight guest up? I thought it was a very mature decision and the right decision. I told Ryan that myself, you know, Ron and I occasionally will text with one another. I told him that I thought it was a good decision and that it was a mature decision. In my mind, when you do tune up fights, bad things happen.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"My scorecards are always perfect and everybody always agrees with me, so. Oh, me too. I wouldn't know the feeling. I wouldn't know the feeling on that. I never hear from his own watchers about the scorecards. All right, I want to jump into what's become a messy situation with a 140 pound title, at least the WBC's version of it. Just a couple of months ago, really one month ago now. We had Regis pro great win the WBC's version of the title becoming a two time 140 pound champion terrific performance in that fight against Jose pedraza. Excellent performance. And Jose. And he kind of looks, Jose is a penis, or I just saw pedraza. So looking at his future now, he was hoping to get a fight his next fight against José Ramírez. The WBC rules that the purse split is going to be 60 or 70, 30 originally in favor of Regis program. That was altered to be 65 35. Ramirez not happy with that. Has withdrawn from negotiations for that fight. The WBC has ruled that pro grade can take a voluntary defense, though I don't know who program would fight at this point. Nor do I think he wants a volunteer defense at this point. What do you make of Ramirez's decision to back out of this fight? It's disappointing. It's almost like they went into this conversation thinking 65 35, huh? Like they had no idea what was going on, which is just not true because the general consensus in the WBC mandatory fights is a 60. It is typically a 70 30 split. There are many occasions where they will amend the purse split and make it 65, 35. Occasionally they might boost it to 60 40 depending, but that's not the most common thing. And so people should, first of all, a couple of things about that, Chris. Number one, the purse split is just in the event that it goes to a person. There's nothing that says it has to be a certain percentage if the two sides during the course of their allowable time frame to do a private negotiation come up with whatever formula they come up with. So that was only in the event if the teams couldn't make the deal. So they had every opportunity to make a deal. As you mentioned, program I'm sure would be have been happy to negotiate with them and I feel like top rank, which is the promoter for José Ramírez would have been willing to negotiate a deal as well. So I kind of find that to be a cop out. They didn't go to a person. That doesn't feel like there was ever a true negotiation. Number one, number two, back before Regis progra got the opportunity to fight as a paid for the vacant title. The fight that had been ordered when Josh Taylor vacated was to fill that vacancy between José Ramírez and Jose zapata, which was which would have been a rematch of an extremely difficult fight that José Ramírez had when he was
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Daphne mo Lopez is the former 135 pound champion. He is now one and O at a 140 pounds and will go for his second straight win on Saturday when he takes on Sandra Martin at the theater at Madison Square Garden. That's a fight you could watch on ESPN immediately after the Heisman ceremony and to femo is back on the show. So damn, will you just tell him you're feeling pretty good right now, headed at this fight? I am. I am, man. I'm truly excited about this upcoming fight against senator Martin. You know, he has definitely the skill sets to give me a tough fight and I'm looking forward to really challenging myself, come December 10th. So why are you excited about this particular fight? Well, this was the fight that we wanted at the time because everyone else was occupied with other dance partners. You know, and you know, so this was the best opportunity. You know, this is somebody that definitely came out of a, you know, he pulled a big upset, you know, he kind of disrupted it a little bit of the boxing game and you know this guy came out of the blue. You know, he decorated fighter. One of the best Mexican fighters that we've seen of this era Mikey Garcia for divisional champion. And you know, he did what he had to do. So I think this is a great great step up. I'm glad that things turned out the way it did. And you know, we wish nothing but the best for Jose pedraza. We wish him health. You know, we understand he had non COVID symptoms, but this was the guy that we originally wanted, and we got him. Yeah, I was at that fight in Fresno when Martin beat Mikey Garcia and that was a shocking and upset as I've seen in a while.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Mo Lopez is the former 135 pound champion. He is now one and O at a 140 pounds and will go for his second straight win on Saturday when he takes on Sandra Martin at the theater at Madison Square Garden. That's a fight you could watch on ESPN immediately after the Heisman ceremony and to femo is back on the show. So damn, will you just tell him you're feeling pretty good right now, headed at this fight? I am. I am, man. I'm truly excited about this upcoming fight against senator Martin. You know, he has definitely the skill sets to give me a tough fight and I'm looking forward to really challenging myself, come December 10th. So why are you excited about this particular fight? Well, this was the fight that we wanted at the time because everyone else was occupied with other dance partners. You know, and you know, so this was the best opportunity. You know, this is somebody that definitely came out of a, you know, he pulled a big upset, you know, he kind of disrupted it a little bit of the boxing game and you know this guy came out of the blue. You know, he decorated fighter. One of the best Mexican fighters that we've seen of this era Mikey Garcia for divisional champion. And you know, he did what he had to do. So I think this is a great great step up. I'm glad that things turned out the way it did. And you know, we wish nothing but the best for Jose pedraza. We wish him health. You know, we understand he had non COVID symptoms, but this was the guy that we originally wanted, and we got him. Yeah, I was at that fight in Fresno when Martin beat Mikey Garcia and that was a shocking and upset as I've seen in a while.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Let me give you a different be a hell of a lot. It's a great fight. Don't get me wrong. Let me give you a different pathway. I would like to see tank tape. I would like to see him find a way to get the Ryan García I'd done. If he gets that fight done, you know what I want to see him fight after that? Of course, Stevenson. That's moving up to 35 pounds. Why? Because your course Stevenson is one of these guys you don't want to fight. Oh God, here we go. So you avoid them like the plague. Of course you would. Is that good? Okay, but if you're a top dog at one 35, Shakur is a top dog at one 35. Why would you take that fight? And after Shakur, if you could find a way to win that fight, Devin Haney is going to be out there. I would go chase Devin Haney and the undisputed championship at one 35. There you go. That makes more sense. They've been hated Devin hayn has been clipped. We know how we react. You know, we've seen them rock by linares. Tank is a bigger punch of the linares. He's more explosive, and he's a naturally bigger fighter. So yeah, at this point, if tank's not fighting Garcia, there's plenty of your fighter. How much does she put on the fighter? Like, we're sitting here talking about what a great pathway it is to fight those three guys. You make them that much money. Could you make a ton of money to do in those fights? Those are pay per view. Big time fights. Your answered your own question. The money, that's why. The fact that works in promoters. No, listen to me, man. You asked me, you're giving my opinion. Look, man, we grow up from nothing. I came from east LA, a tank Davis from Baltimore. We had nothing to gangs, the drugs. When you start making 7 figures a fight, when you start making that kind of money, when you go from insufficient funds to 7 figures and he's making a lot more than I ever did, come on, man. Whatever you're doing, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And guess what? It's not broken. Mayweather promotions is moving them well. They're all getting some money off that pot. It ain't broke, don't fix it. Okay, but you then can't sit there and your promoters can't sit there and say, tank is should be on the pound for pound list. And tag me and you never include them in that pound for pound list. That's what you do. That's why me and you give a baroque so much shit because we know that they just don't call it like it is. They're not calling the spade a spade. I'm with you on that and I'm a big fan of tank. I love watching them fight. I order his pay per views because I'm a fan, but I agree with you. Thin resume at this point, almost 28 years old and you don't have a solid undefeated championship name on your resume since holiday Jose pedraza. No, man, you deserve all the criticism.
THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas
"jose pedraza" Discussed on THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas
"As always by the voice of combat sports, the great teddy Atlas. Teddy, how you doing? Good, good. Good to see you. You look groomed. Getting down to middleweight. Yeah, I've lost 28 pounds. So I can see a huge difference now. I'm not in middleweight. You know, unless the people that control the scales and the WBC or the WBA are managing the scales, then maybe. Maybe if I paid my Cormier or Daniel Cormier is holding your top. Well, if I paid my sanctioned fees, I might be able to make middleweight for the W for the right price. You'd be feather. Paperweight public. You know, the world of technology is amazing. I still have a fax machine. A lot of people can see it in the background sometimes. But I'll produce a robbers in Italy on his belated honeymoon, helping to coordinate this show. So I hope that he's having a great time and doing this is not creating his first marital dispute with his wife mala, so I just wanted to give a quick mention to rob. We got Sam here. We got you. I'm here. We're ready to go. I'd like to start by saying something to the fans out there. First of all, thank you. This last week we did the we did the Uzi Joshua reimagine oseman, Edwards you have seen fight in the undercard of that of that UFC caught. We got over 300,000 views when you add up the episode and the clips to that episode all said and done over 300,000 views. That's pretty damn good. That is not too many podcasts out there. There's a few months out there like Joe Rogan. He's Godzilla. But aside from him in a few other monsters, not too many podcasts can say they do that. So I want to really take a minute of gratitude to thank all our fans because upon here, domestically, everywhere that come and believe in this show, they believe in the truth, they believe in us, all opinions, and again, being the x-ray, the cat scan of boxing, where we're going to break it all down, and we're not going to have agendas. All the agenda is to tell the truth. And that's a good agenda. 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And all the sponsors we work with, my book, you feel free, like all that support helps us greatly, you know, there's a lot of expenses associated with recording the show and we really appreciate the fans for sticking with us because like you say all the time, if the fans weren't there, there'd be no need for us or no use for us to keep doing it. So that's a good way to show us that you listen and continue to support its effortless, to subscribe, leave a comment, all those metrics help us. Increase our relevance and let people know that we have this show that is a staple in the combat sports arena. So thank you to everyone. Give those 5 star reviews where you guys 5 stars, baby. Go ahead, take us away that can because there was only one fighter slowed down and slowed down his pairs weekend. But we slow weekend as the summer winds down, but pedraza and Richard Jose pedraza, Richard Comey had a very competitive fight, but before we get into that fight, both guys basically fighting for their careers, I would think they both needed the win. But before we go to the main event, we got to take a trip to the slaughter farm and watch a bunch of sacrificial lambs get fed to the lions essentially. These fights were so non competitive. It's so non competitive that to the point like I'm thinking, does anyone these promoters are not concerned about getting someone hurt here? You put in an inexperienced, unqualified prose with legitimate fighters in some cases. And you're going to get someone hurt. I mean, what's the kid's name, Richard Torres? You're going to have a death on your hands if you keep letting people get in there with a heavyweight that can punch like that. That was insane. It was scary. The guy's face down on the canvas. I mean, guys, you got to get someone in there that's competitive with the kid at least competitive, not one sided, complete sacrifice of a lamb. It was sad to see, but what were your thoughts on that undercard? Yeah, well, it's what they always saw. They're doing what they want to do. The top rank to promote is to do what they can get away with. They do what they did in the 70s and 80s. If we're going to be quite honest and that's where we all are honest with transparent about it, we have no agendas. We don't have for meals. I don't give a damn if people like it or don't like it. I just care that it needs to be said. It hurts how sport at the end of the day there's a price to pay to the networks. They don't realize it, but there is because back in the sonys and 80s top break was with ESPN and after 20 years, they turned it into a pharma system like that doing now, the same formula. It's no different and they signed up their averages. They told them you could be on TV. They used the money from TV to sign them. They told them that early in your career, you're going to be on TV, signed with us. And what they do. They went about putting them in with non competitive, even worse, like you said. It's like watching a lion get raw meat. I mean, if you want to watch a lion track down a gazelle out in the wilderness and slaughter it, put on a nature channel. You know what I mean? But not on ESPN or boxing. But like I said, they did it in the 70s and 80s. Finally, it ran its route. It chased the audience completely away. The executives, they finally woke up and they saw the bottom line and they got rid of them. And then they went with a new program called Friday night fights, which I was part of. And you know what? We excelled. We excelled for 18 years. For 18 years and the formula that was used even promoters every week. You know, so there's competitiveness that they don't get comfortable. It's not one promoter that has a deal for 20 years. And it doesn't matter what it gives you. What crappy gives you. You have to put good fights on. So every week a different promoter would put a show on and if it was up, wasn't up to snuff, he wouldn't get another shot at it. Some of the promoter would get a shot to step in there and do it. And what they do and what they're doing, if you haven't noticed by now, yeah, they sign up to these Olympic kids. Again, they tell them they're going to be on TV. They use the money that they get from ESPN. They sign them up and then for the next two to three years, that's about what it takes to develop a young kid. They just, they feed them raw meat, okay? To build up their records of 14, 15, 16, 17, and all. And then they go and get them a title fight, hope they win a title, and then they can tell the executive sea we got champions. But again, there's a price to pay. Because you're scorching earth, your scorching earth, because you're going to do the same damn thing you did necessarily 70 80s. The same thing. Yeah, you throw bone. You put a good main event on once in a while. But boy, oh boy, those other fights.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Some of the top ten, I think Ryan can give a lot of these guys a lot of problem because of that hand speed quickness and ring IQ. Yeah, and he rehydrated Tim to a 148 pounds, which tells me that one 40 is a comfortable weight. Like, tell me if I'm wrong, but it feels like if you get within ten pounds of your weigh in on a rehydration, you're probably good. Like that's a healthy way to kind of rehydrate. That's not going up way too much at that point. So I think he's comfortable and good at one 40. He wants tank Davis. He's been very clear about that and even as we record this is still tweeting and doing whatever he does to try to get tank Davis to agree to face him. If you were part of team Garcia, if you were Joe goose and his trainer or lupe Valencia, his manager. And Ryan said to you, I'm ready to fight tank Davis. What would you say to Ryan García? Well, let me put the business hat on. Business had on hell no. I would not put my investment in the ring against a puncher like javonte Davis. No matter how bad he wants, I mean, you can't pay me enough money to put me in the ring but you can survive Davis with my guy and Ryan García. I mean, you can see Ryan is a, he can be in household name real soon. Real soon, this guy he can sell out arenas. Just as well as a tank Davis. But it's a little bit too soon. A little bit too premature. I don't think he's ready just yet. Tank Davis is a season. He's a season. I don't want to say veteran, but he's a seasoned pro now. You know, he's 26, 27 years old. He's fighting at full capacity right now. He's right in his prime. You want to keep this young gun away from him. For a little bit, a few more, I would say a few more about a year or two. You want to keep him away. Let him continue to grow and get and get and get fed the right things with goosen and just record his progression over time. And once you see that he's ready, then make that leap. But me being a businessman, I wouldn't do that right away. Now, fighter fighter. Hell yeah. Maybe in a fighter hell yeah, let's do it. You know, there's something obviously that he sees that he can take advantage of what tank Davis. Okay? That's obviously something you can see. From a fan standpoint, hell yeah. Put that pressure on javonte Davies. Why not? You know, because it's a fight fans fight. We want to see, you know, the two best guys near they prime of one in 8 prime and one that's not in their prime. And fight at the highest level, we want to see them go head to head. A lot of times we let these fights mature too damn low. You know? Too long. You got tears. We still waiting on terror girls fence. This should have happened two years ago. We still waiting on it. So why not see who the best is now? And if it's a great enough fight or good enough fight, they can run it back again. Running back again, you know, they can have a trilogy. If each of them win a fight, why, why the hell not? I couldn't agree more with the fighter. I disagree with Tim Bradley the manager, because look, a lot of fighters, you're self included, see something special in tank Davis. I don't, not yet. I see a guy that has been consistently put in with carefully curated opponents. Really since 2017, when he beat Jose pedraza, which was the best win on his resume. Basically everyone there has been carefully curated. His recent fights. He moves up to a 140 pounds, and he fights Mario barrios, good fighter, probably should have already had a loss on his resume when he fought for that secondary title a year before then. Goes down to one 35. Raleigh Romero talks a good game, but has zero resume also should have had a loss to Jackson marinas in a previous fight. Like tanks being put in with guys that largely have no chance of beating him. And one almost did. Esau Cruz almost did. Now all of a sudden he's got Cruz as being portrayed as like this, you know, this boogeyman in the 135 pound division. I think tank has power. I think he fights incredibly intelligently in the ring. You know, you could see against Romero, he was baiting him, repeatedly, and eventually Rolly leaped in and got caught with a big shot, and it was lights out for Rolly Romero. Tank Davis has never fought anyone as dangerous as Ryan García. He has not fought anyone with the physical tools of Ryan García. You can argue, certainly it'll be true that Ryan García has never fought anyone with the tools of tank Davis certainly anyone with the power of tank Davis. But Ryan García in the last year and a half has knocked out Luke Campbell and he's knocked out Javier for tuna. That ain't nothing. Those are good, medium level B level wins. Look, I don't know if I'd make Ryan García a favorite in that fight against tank Davis, but to me it's 50 50. And the guy first guy that lands the big shot wins and Tim, nobody's ever going to convince me that Ryan can't land that big shot first. Like tanks the smaller fighter, Ryan's great at fighting smaller fighters, he keeps him at a distance and lands that quick check hook. Everybody's going out at that. Not just Hank Davis. Wow, man. Come on now. Oh, you going on for resume? Come on, man. That's all we got. No, you gotta go off your eyes, man. I'm talking about your educated eyes, brother. You gotta understand the tank Davis. He likes these guys big. He likes these guys tall. He don't have a problem with guys. Taller than him. What he does have problem with is guys that are short as him is shorter than him. Because he's so used to being a smaller guy in the ring. I believe that Garcia is Taylor made for a guy like tank. Tailor me for him. And Garcia, the problem with Garcia is sometimes he can get a little bit beside himself. Sometimes he can be a little bit, he can take too many risks inside the ring. You know, I see it. And sometimes he stands well. A lot of times you stand up pretty straight. His knees, he don't let them bend the knees. And he's always looking to pull back. And that's one thing you can't do against tank Davis pull back. You know, tank will dig down to that body, slowly bring that kid close to him and slowly slow that get down and he will catch him with something over the top something straight, something he doesn't see with speed and power and accuracy that take has in the experience that he has, regardless, we talk about resume, okay? I get it. But draws up, going back, all right, that's why I would say that's really only title win right there was against Pedro. But for dryden was an Olympian, the drives at the time was undefeated. And he stopped him. And he stopped him, okay? The other belts you want to talk about, okay, those are regional titles, whatever you want to call it. That's fine. But how he beats these guys is what you got to look at. It's not who you fighting all the time sometimes. It's how you beat them. How you break them down, how you fight inside the ring. That's what I'm looking at. And what tank does, and the way he breaks these guys down and away gets rid of these guys and he sets them up. I'm telling you, that dude is a bad boy. He's a dangerous guy, and he's a very, very dangerous guy for a Ryan García. I think he will end his career if he knocked Brian Garcia out. You know, you don't, Matt. Chris, look Maddie. You don't want to ruin a guy like Garcia, man. You know, this guy could be this kid can be a superstar. Not just a star, a superstar. And trans men boxing at the right time. You don't want to take that risk against tank Davis, man. That only needs one punch. One, that's it. It is night night. Okay? But that's my egg. That's my opinion. That's my assessment, man. I got tank Davis all day. And if that fight
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Fema, he may not have the same skills, but also says some of his counterparts at one 35. I may not have the same power, may not have the same attributes, but he's got something else in him. And the fact that he's going to be at home with his crowd behind him, however many pack into that massive stadium. I mean, this is going to help and this is his moment. And then you also have to factor in the judging. We saw what happened with Pacquiao and horn. There's this ongoing narrative in boxing where you go on the road. You're going to get hosed. That can play a factor in this fight. It always does, especially on the road in a fight of this magnitude. I think it's going to be a close fight. I think on paper. And in the ring as well, I think kimbo sos may have the power edge, but I think that haney is a damn good boxer, really good defensively and just to go back on your last what we were just talking about. I think that fans are going to have a lot of respect now for haney for signing over on this contract. Like you said, spending a year, I didn't think of it like that, but now that I think about it, he's going to have to spend a long time in there because he wins that first fight. He's got to fight him again. He loses, obviously he'll go back home and fight two more fights with top rank, but taking less money is a lot of ways to look in that too. I think he was obviously overpaid with the zone because they wanted to make a big splash. But it's going to be a very, very close fight. There's a lot of close pick them fights on the boxing schedule. And when the odds come out, I think this will be close to even. My understanding was that lomachenko was literally going to do that. He was going to move to Australia. And hold his full training camp for that fight, and then do the next training camp for that fight. He was going to be there. That was my that's a big ask. That's a big ass. No question about it. You know, jamel, I've always found. The press conference people might have already happened by the time people are listening to this podcast. But if I'm George Campbell's, one of my tactics going into this fight is to get inside Devin Haney's head and convince him that he can't punch. Like the biggest weakness I think to Devin Haney is that he's so badly wants to be a power puncher, like he wants to be regarded as someone with heavy hands. That's just not his thing. He can hit. Don't get me wrong, he's knocked out a lot of guys in his career, and he's hurt a lot of guys in his career, but that's not his best attribute. He is an excellent boxer in every way, shape and form. Tell me what do you think of this? I think Cambodia should just spend the next two months trying to convince Devin that he's soft that he won't bang with him that he won't get in the ring and trade because if Devin has that mindset in the fight, I think that gives George his best chance to win 'cause I don't think jamel, I don't think George can win a straight boxing match against Devin Haiti. No. I think everything said was correct. I think George needs to be the same George, how he was, even in the build up and postponements with the TLP Lopez fight. Got his head. Got in his head. Exactly. Guy in his head, George, also put it out there that he was just as big of a puncher if not more aggressive at the bigger man. And in the fight and he kind of did impose that same attitude within the fight. So George because it has not only, you know, bring that, you know, I'm bigger man, the bigger punch of mentality going in the build up, but also in the ring, he has to beat the book because if you let, if you get Devin and of space and too much time to think, he's gonna just pick you apart and just, you know, beat you up in the outside, so George has to be not only, you know, not only feel like he's the champion in the real champion, but he has to go in there and be the bigger man during a fight man as well. Yeah, no question about it. I'm curious to see what approach he takes when it comes to that. Dan, let me ask you this. Matchroom invested a lot of money in Devin Haney. Did it surprise you to see them lose out on this fight in favor of the top rank, ESPN deal? Of course. It was, I think, there was something that came out last week or that last week, last year about Devin Haney not having a network align with him. He was working on a fight by fight basis. I didn't know he didn't have a long-term deal with matchroom as well. So there is two ways to look at it. It's like, well, a lot of people I see my mentions are saying, you know, he shouldn't Devin Hayes shouldn't have had to take this deal. This is not a good deal for Devin Haynes. He shouldn't have to go to Australia for two fights. He shouldn't have to sign with another promoter. He shouldn't have to go on another network, but on the flip side of things, I'm like, well, where was his commitment from his promoter that he has been with for the last four or 5 years? Why didn't he have a long-term plan with matchroom? Why didn't he have a long-term plan with the zone? So that's interesting to me. The fact that he now has a chance to fight for undisputed, yes, obviously he has to spend a lot of time in Australia, his worst places to be. He's going to be making a lot of money in this fight. And he's going to be able to fight on regular ESPN and I know Christy worked for the zone, but there's no denying that ESPN is a bigger platform, regular ESPN. Then the zone. That to me sounds like a pretty good deal. All things considered. And it's an actual plan. It's a three fight plan that they've given Devin Haney. I'm not saying that match him didn't have a good plan for haney. They got them to this point. They paid him tremendously. They gave him some big time platforms to fight under. But the fact that he now has a three fight plan, two undisputed matchups. And then a potential if he wins those to fight lomachenko, I think there's a 23 years old. I think a lot of fighters would take that and sign on the dotted line very quickly. Yeah, jamel goes back to kind of the top of the discussion. He had to take this deal. I understand he's got a good relationship with Eddie Hearn. He's been paid well by his own and like to dance point, believe me, I would have taken a trip to Australia or two trips to Australia. Hell yeah, I would have gone on one of those trips, but if you're Devin Haney, and you know this as a fighter, like the number of years in your career or finite, you only get certain amount of opportunities. You don't even though he's just 23, you don't want to waste time when this is presented to you. A potential undisputed championship at one 35 and then maybe a shot at one of the top ten pound for pound guys in the world and vasili lomachenko. It's just a no brainer. Oh yeah, of course. And like you pointed out with time, that's not forget that Devin is still a young kid. They're still potentially crawling. So there's no telling there's no telling how long how much longer he even went to be at lightweight. So it was like, you know, you got to take the opportunity one of their hands before you even get the side if you want to move up to maybe fight bigger and different competition. So like you said, it was pretty much for the most part, I know brainer, 'cause I also mentioned earlier, like, what was he gonna do? If he didn't take the deal, we're gonna continue fighting what mandatory challenges and potentially individuals that no one cared to really see. Or was he going to get in the mix of being one of the best in the world himself by fighting for all the belts? I hope just editorializing here. I hope nobody pays the sanctioning fee for the franchise belt. Do not pay that fee. Shove nothing actually, I hope they pull a Riddick bones. Dump it into a garbage. Enough. Enough with that title enough. In every way. Like one 60. Take that and dump it in the trash as well. Like, let's get a big pile of franchise belts to move them. Caught them up. All right, let's move on. Staying in the 135 pound division. Tank Davis is going to be back in the ring in May taking on Raleigh Romero. Tank is faced a lot of criticism, jemel over the years for his choice of opponents or more specifically the opponents that Mayweather promotions has lined up in front of him. He's 27 years old. He'll be 28 in the fall and to date his biggest win and his most notable opponent was Jose pedraza, who's a good win, but that's not an opponent at the highest level. It seems like it's starting to get to tank Davis a little bit. It went on social media this week and suggested that this was what came out and said, actually, that this was the last fight of his deal with Mayweather promotions indicating perhaps that he may move on from them after this flight. What was your take on that? And is it time for tank Davis to maybe take a little bit more control in his career to get the bigger fights? You know, you know, I respect, I respect Leonard and those guys over there who I know personally, but I feel like it's definitely time for tank to have more hands on with his career. I think and I think with him is, you know, he's made all the money that he can dream of. Even at the station's career, 'cause if you look at it, the most part, his career was based on making the most money the most booked and less risk. And I think now that he's seen that all of his peers and those guys around, you know, I'm riding his weight in age and have there been mentioned in the bigger fights and let's be honest here. He has like vibrates with guys like Devin and so and when you see these guys getting more credibility when in their careers, it kind of gets you like, you know, I should be in the mix and included with the best as well. But my career has been so stagnant throughout the past few years. It'll start to get you. I think I was talking to any man. So I think him going to social media is basically him again lash out and acknowledging nowadays he really needs to do something big for his career to basically really be relevant with the bigger names out there as well. Dan, I give May with a promotion is a lot of credit for how they've built him into the star that he is today. He is a bona FIDE attraction in Baltimore, Atlanta, Los Angeles. We assume he'll do pretty well when he fights at the Barclays center in New York. There's no doubt that they've done well with that. But up until this point, he has not had the big fights. And one of my biggest issues with Mayweather promotions is something Floyd said on the record. Effectively, he doesn't want to do deals outside of the PBC universe, and that severely limits you if you're at one 30, one 35, and even at one 40. So, you know, the way I look at it, Dan. If he wants to stay with me with a promotions, by all means, they know him, they know how to build him. But you have to make it clear that you need to get a fight against Ryan García. That is the fight you have to make. Ryan García is back in the ring in April against the manual tago. Tank Davis is back in the ring in May against Raleigh Romero. If both those guys win, there is no reason that fight shouldn't happen in September, October at the latest. You don't have a pay per view obstacle anymore because the zones in pay per view. If you want to do a co pay per view with showtime or with Fox or with whoever, that's doable now as well. Tanks got to get that fight dance. If he can't get that fight this year, I don't know what fight he gets moving forward. I think Jamal made some great points there and the Ryan García fight is the fight to make. It's either wrying or zero or its lomachenko. And I always say like, we'll never know what goes on behind closed doors with these fighters and Jamal you can attest to this. To the fighters and their promoters and what goes on. But we can see we've seen some things. From the horse's mouth. We saw with tank tweeted. We saw that he says that this is the last under my deal. He wouldn't tweet that if he was happy. He wouldn't tweet, that's the reason I'm fighting Rollie Romero. You had Mayweather actually talked about that tweet, too, and said he had a statement on it as well. Acknowledged it too. And you also have me whether saying his point of we're going to keep this in house. And then you take a look around at the picture at one 30, the one Ford me. Majority of those fighters are now under the top rank or ESPN banner. I think tank is looking at that. And there's no doubt that he, his team, Leonard ellerbee, and Mayweather promotions have built him into a bonafide ticket seller in a very good pay per view draw by today's standards. But you can't expect to be on the pound for pound list. You can't expect to be named alongside some of these other great fighters in boxing if you're not fighting the very best or taking those risks. You can't have it both ways. Yes, he's making a lot of money and he's probably one of maybe three or four ticket sellers in all of boxing. Not everyone can do what you just said, Chris, sell out Barclays or sell out Atlanta or sell out LA. That's really hard to do on Sunday nights and stuff. But if you're not fighting the best, you know, it's almost like he's on his own little island. Like he wasn't even in the discussions for this cam boss fight. What's up with that? The fact that this guy brings a lot of fans with them and not only that, he's very good. That's the thing I get a lot of criticism myself throwing my way because people think that I'm a javonte Davis hater at all, man. I think he's one of the top fighters skill wise, but I can't properly gauge how he performs in the ring because he's not fighting a level opponent. But it's getting to the point I think now where he's looking around and he's not at the Canelo level, but he is certainly in a small group of fighters that can dictate the terms of their career and he's what? 28 years old now? We're just talking about he's 28 this fall and we're talking about finite time and boxing. You know, Devin Haney taking this fight of 23. When you get to 28 between 28 and 32, you got to be making the top dollar. This is it. This is the prime of your career in the prime of your life. He has the capabilities in the cloud. Do you want to Davis to go out there and maybe make his own calls? Call his own shots. Maybe take a two fight deal with ESPN or take a two fight deal with the zone or be a free agent still have Al hayman as your adviser, but maybe not have a fully as your promoter. I think if there's only a few or select few in boxing that had that type of capability to do that, javonte Davis is one of them. The Ryan García fight is just there right there for the taking, a lomachenko fight, whether it happens with him in the Ukraine also if I'd want to see, but it's getting to the point with tank that he has to fight someone and I would favor him over a lot of these lightweights. That's the thing. We are you and I then are either president or vice president apparently of the tank Davis hater club because I get the same or stop. All I want to do though is see the guy in big fights. It's the same, it's the same issue I have with your mall Charlotte, like I'm not a Jamal charlo hater, I just don't give a shit about Jamal Charlotte, my check, zelensky, or Jamal Charlotte, Juan montel. I don't care. And most of the time, Chris, these guys don't, they want to fight the best. Charlotte and mongi assigned on the dotted line to fight. But everyone else got in the way. Tank Davis wants all the smoke. He wants to fight all these guys, but you have a promoter that maybe is telling them otherwise like, hey, you can make same amount of money. So a Barclays could sell out Staples. And maybe Isaac Cruz. Fighters are jamel does this better than all of us. Like fighters aren't afraid to get money. I don't believe Jamal Charlotte over the years, not to make this about Charlotte Android. It was sent me down a rabbit hole. I don't want to get back out of. But Charlotte's never afraid of Android. Guys want to fight. It's just the people get in the way. And like, you know, you are defined by who you fight. I mean, to put it in Jamal's context here, like I thought you gained the most off your win over Frampton, which was a high profile win, and even the lost Shakur, like that was like, I mean, these kind of put you more on the map and gave you more credibility than really anything else you'd done. Definitely, definitely. And I feel like I always think it's a sorry excuse when fighters think that they'll get more for this. I always say, I was believed that you get more in your packet with the resume you built in terms of the bigger names, like on your rest, in my opinion. So I don't look at that. Well, I can make this for that. No, I believe that with the bigger fights, you know, the bigger pressures will come. So, and I also, and at the same time, you're still building a legacy and you're fighting guys that people actually care about and we'll talk about your career for years, even after you hang up the gloves. I mean, like if I'm with ten's case, he's a terrific terrific fighter, in my opinion, and like you point you guys for now, he is in contact with one of the best, but at the end of the day, when you sit down and start dissecting things, it's like, okay, you go back to the hot day, but drives it, and then you have to stop and say, well, you know, he fought this guy who was, it was okay, but you know, he couldn't have thought this guy at that time. So I think he said he's in a tough spot. And we all wanted to see how he matches up and does against even guys like tio, Ryan García, campos, those lomachenko and so on. So I think him as a fighter, he's at that point where he knows it's time to maybe make a change, but then his circle and hopefully move on to bigger and better things in the future. And we don't get nice things in boxing all that often. But can we please, can we please get Ryan against tech? Like that is just bombs electricity. Electricity. And bringing in, by the way, to massive and could not be completely different audiences. Like totally different audiences. You got the thing about what that arena would look like that night. Just think about the build up, think about what that arena would look like. I think about all the entertainment companies, all these sporting companies that usually don't give a damn about boxing, jumping in for that fight. Not only that, it's going to be an excellent fight too. Two guys that go for the knockout. I mean, they could fight three times if they really wanted to. But I mean, it has to happen. Like you said, I think we're at a good timing now with Ryan coming back. The business side of things, starting to shake out a little more in the fight happening. I mean, it's just gotten to the point where look at the last three fights of Devin Haney, who people get on him for his resume. I mean, lanais JoJo Diaz, and now George campos. That's pretty damn good. That's maybe the best at lightweight right now. Maybe outside of Cambodia, but you look at tank. I mean, barrios in one 40, gamboa, and Isaac Cruz. I mean, come on, man. You got to step it up, and I think he wants to. And that's what I think that's tweet came from. Man, I just, I want to see it. Bombs away in a fight like that. That'd be so much fun to watch. All right, I want to move on to Shakur Stevenson, who is back on April 30th taking on Oscar baldes. Shakur had some interesting comments in the last week or so. Talking about his place among the best fighters in the world. Shakur, fresh off a tough win over our friend jamel here. Believes he's at the top, or at least can be soon at the top of the pound for pound rankings. Jamel, we'll start with you. You faced him. Do you buy that? I mean, I believe he should be at least being somewhere in that in that conversation, at least being within the path of a panelist. And not because he beat me, but he does, he does possess from what I just for me being inside with him in there. He does possess that the talent and skill to, of course, you know, be considered one of the best out there today. I think I think mobile have to we can all say be serious. That thing was sending with tanks, but you just had to continue adding the names to the resume in order to get to that conversation. And I believe with victory over Oscar Valdez, which I believe he will, he will win, but definitely put him in that list. And you know, who knows where he goes from there, I mean, no one should call because me and Scott actually do speak a lot more often today on this side. I believe that him being that competitive as he is. I don't see him standing at one 30 after this fight. I think he's going to try to throw his name in the hat, especially like you guys point out, the majority of these top names were ESPN and top right now. I think he's going to, he's going to cash in and move up to one 35. And in the near future, to maybe also get a chance to fight for undisputed, but that just the competitive nature of Shakur and I believe if he does that and gets to the game of three divisional world champion, I believe he'll be he can be considered one of the best world with canola on the res as well. Let me just follow up on that jamel before I turn to Dan. You've been in the ring with some good guys. Shakur's skill set. What makes you believe he can be that good? You know, he's great with patience and timing. His heart, it was hard for me to give him the bite in the fall in certain traps. And I don't know if I don't find him myself. Who's a bob shirt in a counter punching myself, being the one who had to be the aggressor attached because he doesn't, it's hard to get him to take any bait and he's great. He's great with his own his ring IQ is tremendous. His coordination is something that is Fred to find even today with other athletes in the ring. So, you know, he just has for me a line of natural skill sets and tools that you can't teach, but he's great and he's great at utilizing them. He may not be the maybe your biggest country, but you know the kids definitely sharp and I think it's even now for college, it's gonna take a lot because we've seen us about this in this last outing before boxer. And you know, in the first 5 rounds or so, he had a lot of issues dealing with the distance at the timing and just getting past that jab and we all know, you know, Shakur is very great with distance and he has a great job. So I think in this type of fighter who keep that same pace and level on fight if you allow them to. So I think it's going to be a hard obstacle and a lot of the decline about this and in that fight. Dan, what do you think of how quickly Shakur can land inside that pound for pound list and maybe climb his way to the top? He's coming. He's coming strong. I think the next 12 to 18 months will be in the top 5. I think he has sustainable skills to be at the top for a long time. That's defense. It only gets hit with 4.7 punches per round. That's 12% over his career. Jamel knows that. I mean, it was to deploying guys when actually did touch him. I'm not going to I was kind of surprised myself because it was like, it was just so frustrating like, yeah, it might go, how does he just like, he just gets out of the way? Just barely misses him. And then he's old, but it's crazy because he's always in rank also the counter and come back. And I think that's the most frustrating thing. And remember, you know, I had a longer reach and I was told I'm taller than Shakur, but just imagine Fight Night without this being the shorter guy now. I'm short of reach. It's going to be a tall order. I'm not saying that that is going to be easily wiped out, but I just think it's going to be, I think, about this is going to see it's going to be very frustrating. You know, just to get through like you guys put out the defense aspect of school first. Yeah, I like the fact that you brought up the biggest puncher, but he's so damn precise. And he hits his spots too. You don't have to have lights out power if you can just hit that spot and be very precise and be very on time..
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"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"You know what I mean? So it's like, we never expected that to happen, and now it's happening. So there's no evidence to say otherwise. Do we want to see that? Yes, even guys like me who have them on a pound for pound list because of what he can do and what I see. I'm going to get tired and say, all right, now this is it. You're going to have to slowly slide down off that list if you're not fighting somebody worthy of a challenge by somebody where you're grateful. Yeah, so this year, because of some of the things that have happened the last few months, the in-house potential challenges for javonte have dwindled, right? Like if Chris Colbert had fought roger Gutierrez and beaten Gutierrez, I would have 100% pegged, Chris Colbert as someone that would have been a candidate to face javonte Davis at a 145 pounds. Good point if Gary Russell junior had beaten Mark Mexico and if Russell had not been injured and if he had been serious for the first time, ever in fighting more than once per year, that would have been a marketable fight for javonte Davis. But in-house in the PBC universe, as I look around, there's nothing there. Like, not almost nothing. There's like really nothing. That's marketable. You know, you're not going to do what Isa cruise rematch. Like you're not going to do any of that. Oh, but you know what? I was thinking about that. Today, I was like, why not do a esop cool rematch? It wasn't that great. It was a controversial, but it wasn't a great fight. But if you think that you're somebody that could have stopped them, if you didn't hurt your hand and a tenth round, maybe that's something you might want to see. Yeah, I would say this though. I don't know how many what the official number of pay per view buys was. I don't believe what I read in the Internet, just like I don't believe what people say from a promoter's perspective, but it did not do well. There's no question about that. Otherwise, there would have been victory laps being taken about the numbers javonte Davis did. So given that, I don't see this ground swell of support to see that rematch. The only name guys, the only name that makes any sense is Ryan García. And we know they've had at least preliminary discussions about a deal like this before. I know zone believes that their entry into pay per view gives them the kind of framework to do a co promotional pay per view with showtime or Fox, whoever it is that works with at that given time. So I feel like Ryan's side if he gets through a manual tago on April 9th. And golden boy and the zone are going to try to make that deal. I just don't know if I believe that it's going to be willing to do it to see the kind of money they'd have to cede from a showtime perspective and money that Ryan García is going to have to be paid. I just don't know that they're going to be willing to do it. So I'm with Barack on this one. I don't have any confidence that this is the year that we get javonte in that signature fight. Well, that's what I'll give up on this devonta Davis train. I'll hop off of it. If in 2022, it doesn't happen with a big name, then I'll waive the white flag. Oh wait, just to be clarify, Barack, where is javonte on your pod for Bond list? Oh man, I haven't looked at it. I haven't revamped it since these late losses and wins recently, but he's around ten or number 9. Okay. That's absurd, but he's at my number ten. Oh, please. You guys talking about? 9 or probably have Tyson Fury on your own. I do have Tyson Fury on my list. Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder. Before that Vladimir Klitschko. Let's go. 7 years ago. So what? You two sit there and bring up Jose pedraza from 7 years ago as a quality win. And you say that's a you say that's a good win. You said that's a good one. Okay, I'm saying it's a good one like let's go is so if you can use coach coach, let's go, let's go better than pedraza. Better than Vladimir Putin. Because you discredit because you've discredited Leo Santa Cruz. That doesn't mean he isn't who he is. He is a four division champ, so it doesn't matter. Like, oh, let's just say technically three division chair. He is who he is no matter what beat Carl Frampton beat a lot of guys. 'cause you know what a good win. That's not way out of law. I don't discredit Liam. And beat him barrios, Mario bodies. Regardless of who you think you are, it keeps Mario barros last seen getting his nose twisted in half by Keith thermal. Come on. This guy, but Mario barrios also Mario barrios also Mario bars also lost the fight before that Beck, what's his name? I'm blanking. No, no, we got you on that. You're right. But guess what? He wasn't stopped by anybody except Davis. Davis is special and we can see that. I can't see that. Would anybody else would any other? Would any other one 35 pound move up and beat barium? Yes, all of them. Every one of them. Come on. You think Devin Haiti doesn't beat Mario barrios? All right, who are you picking up? They're not going to go up and fight him. That's too much of a risk. You guys know this. You're around Devon a lot. The only reason Devin stays at one 35 is to figure out a way to get his hand on that big fight in that division because he kills himself every time to make that weight. In the next 6 to 8 months, he's gone. If he fights Cambodia, in a private fight of twice, but once that's over with, he has gone to one 40. There's no doubt about that. He's in teofimo territory and trying to shrink himself down. Yeah, but see, he's bigger than javonte Davis. Devonta Davis is a very small guy. He's a 130 pound guy. And he went the right way. He's not really a one 35 pound. He's not really a one 35 pound. Chris, what is it? If they do make one 30 if they do make the grind Garcia fight, you know, javonte Davis and they forgot a way how to co promote this pay per view. Who wins that fight? Great fight. Great fight. Both these guys, I think. I think, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I lean, so I lean towards Ryan only because Ryan, I think he's has proven. Like we talked about javonte struggling to fight a smaller fighter Esau Cruz. There might be nobody better at fighting smaller fighters than Ryan García. Like Ryan is kind of mastered how to hit these guys because he's always taller than them. And that left hook from hell that he throws with the kind of speed that we don't see from anyone outside of Canelo. I think eventually he'd land that on javonte in the same way that he landed a big shot on Luke Campbell. So I'm not discounting javonte. I think he's, he can definitely win that fight because Ryan, I think, can be a little bit shinny too, not great with the footwork, a lot of reasons. But it's a great fight. It's a hell of a fight. And yes, I think that Ryan does have a good shot because of javonte southpaw stance to land that checklist hook. And I think he's a dangerous fighter. You know, Ryan has speed and power. So does javonte. That's what makes this an explosive fight. And one of the biggest fights in all of boxing, regardless who has titles, we both know that. Yeah, but I just disagree. I just don't think that javonte Davis struggled with esat Cruz. I think he talking to the leaders. He heard his hand and it turned round. And yes, he lost tenth and 11th round, but 12th round he outboxed him at one hand, did not throw that out. It's very smaller than javonte. So two different fights. Well, also the hand injury, I haven't heard of any surgery. I haven't heard of any you know, you know, you don't have to break your hand, you don't have to knee surgery. I'm not telling you anything you don't know, but lots of guys hurt their hands in the middle of fights. Yeah, but when it's that bad and you don't throw it, he did not throw it in 11th and 12th round. A lot of a lot of that is because he saw Cruz in his chest the entire time. Like in made it uncomfortable for him. That was a close fight. Like, whether you thought he won or not. That was a close fight. So. Wait, wait, wait, people really thought that Isa Cruz beach avante David sent me? I had it as a draw. Well,.
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"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
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That is Friday <Speech_Male> night <Speech_Male> in Fresno, <Speech_Male> California, <Speech_Male> 140 <Speech_Male> pound fight between <Speech_Male> Ramirez, a former <Speech_Male> champion at one <Speech_Male> 40 in pedraza, <Speech_Male> one of the more well-known <Speech_Male> names <Speech_Male> in multiple <Speech_Male> weight classes. So, <Silence> ordinarily, <Speech_Male> <Speech_Male> I would lean heavily <Speech_Male> towards José <Speech_Male> Ramírez. But I <Speech_Male> have some questions here. <Speech_Male> Ramirez <Speech_Male> has not <Speech_Male> fought since <Speech_Male> May of <Speech_Male> 2021. Now pedraza <Speech_Male> last fought <Speech_Male> in June of <Speech_Male> 2021. So <Speech_Male> he has been <Speech_Male> just as inactive, <Speech_Male> but Ramirez's <Speech_Male> last fight was <Speech_Male> against Taylor. <Speech_Male> He lost a <Speech_Male> big fight, a <Speech_Male> undisputed <Speech_Male> championship fight. <Speech_Male> And I thought in that <Speech_Male> moment, <Speech_Male> that José Ramírez was <Speech_Male> a pretty big guy for a <Speech_Male> 140 pounds. <Speech_Male> Would take that <Speech_Male> opportunity <Speech_Male> to move up and wait. <Speech_Male> He decided to <Speech_Male> stay at one <Speech_Male> 40 and it's going to try to <Speech_Male> get one or <Speech_Male> more of his <Speech_Male> titles back. That <Speech_Male> worries me <Speech_Male> a little bit. Pedraza, <Speech_Male> he has been <Speech_Male> at a 140 <Speech_Male> <Speech_Male> plus pounds <Speech_Male> for his <Speech_Male> last four fights. So I think <Speech_Male> he's more comfortable <Speech_Male> at <Speech_Male> this weight. And I think pedraza, <Speech_Male> who's <Speech_Male> losses have <Speech_Male> largely come <Speech_Male> at the highest level <Speech_Male> he was stopped <Speech_Male> by Giovanni Davis, <Speech_Male> he went the distance <Speech_Male> with Vasily lomachenko, <Speech_Male> and he lost. <Speech_Male> <Speech_Male> These are <Speech_Male> not bad losses. So <Speech_Male> I <Speech_Male> am going to take <Speech_Male> the underdog <Speech_Male> in this flight. <Speech_Male> That is Jose pedraza <Speech_Male> plus three <Speech_Male> 90 <Speech_Male> over at FanDuel <Speech_Male> right now. And I'm going to take <Speech_Male> him by <Speech_Male> decision, which is at <Speech_Male> plus 5 50. <Silence> Now, one other <Speech_Male> thing here, <Speech_Male> the location <Speech_Male> worries me as <Speech_Male> I make this bet. I <Speech_Male> agonized over this bet <Speech_Male> because of where <Speech_Male> this fight is. Fresno, <Speech_Male> California, <Speech_Male> the home <Speech_Male> region <Speech_Male> of José <Speech_Male> Ramírez. And we <Speech_Male> saw with <Speech_Male> Taylor against catarau <Speech_Male> in Glasgow, Taylor's <Speech_Male> backyard. <Speech_Male> That <Speech_Male> location matters, <Speech_Male> that beating a guy <Speech_Male> on his home <Speech_Male> turf is <Speech_Male> really difficult. But I think pedras <Speech_Male> <Speech_Male> got one <Speech_Male> last <Speech_Male> signature <Speech_Male> performance <Speech_Male> in him and I am <Speech_Male> concerned <Speech_Male> about José Ramírez <Speech_Male> getting back down to <Speech_Male> one 40 <Speech_Male> to make the <Speech_Male> wait for <Speech_Male> this fight. So <Speech_Male> I'm going underdog <Speech_Male> here. Pedraza <Speech_Male> by decision <Speech_Male> over Ramirez, <Speech_Male> that's my picks, <Speech_Music_Male> brought to you <Speech_Male> by FanDuel. <Speech_Male> That's it for this <Speech_Male> week's episode. My <Speech_Male> thanks to Sergio Moro, <Speech_Male> Eddie Hearn <Speech_Male> and Joe markovsky <Speech_Male> who joined the show, <Speech_Male> as always, subscribe, <Speech_Male> rate, review <Speech_Male> this podcast on Apple <Speech_Male> podcasts, <Speech_Male> Spotify, wherever <Speech_Music_Male> you
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"There's a limit. There's a limit, man. These are natural one 68 and one 75 pounders. This is a 5 foot 8. Stocky explosive, great Mexican, but there's limits, man. There's limits. It would have better be of Smith would be, that's the limit. And that's a tough fight. And look, I'd rather, I'd rather him face go to Cruiserweight and face elanga junior, macabre than a Joe Smith junior or a better be of type winner because those are some legitimate one 75 pound monsters and it only takes one punch and both of them can crack. Both of them are the two of the biggest punchers in boxing. They don't need to hit you cleanly. They can hit you with half of this. And they're going to rock you like you've never been rocked before. That's the scary part about going up in weight that it only takes half a punch. They don't have to hit you clean. The idea that Canelo was ducking anybody is absurd. Just utterly absurd. And these guys can prove that they rubbish. They are worthy of the opportunity by finding each other simple as that. All right, let's talk about this weekend. On Friday, José Ramírez returns his last fight was in May of 2021 against Josh Taylor lost a close decision in a battle for the undisputed 140 pound championship on Friday. He returns, he's in Fresno, his home area, and he takes on a tough opponent in Jose pedraza a couple things here, Sergio. I was surprised that Ramirez stayed at one 40. Like he's kind of a big guy for a 140 pounds, sturdy stocky. I got a stocky, but well built for that weight. He stays at one 40 because he wants to get his titles back. And he's coming back against pedraza, who is not, this is not a give me fight. Jose pedraza is want to think three, four fights in a row since his loss to Jose zapata. He has been in with vasili lomachenko. He lost by knockout to javonte Davis, but he's faced tough competition. I'm a little concerned about Ramirez in this fight. Ramirez is surprisingly a big guy when he fought Maurice hooker and I sized them up. He's 5 foot ten. You know, and he's a big one 40 pounder. I think if he goes back down, he can pick up those straps again. He can be a force at one 40. One 47 can wait, there's still big money at one 40. Look at teal female Lopez. That would be a big fight. Huge fight if he can fight him. I mean, he can get a rematch with Taylor. I mean, that would be a big fight. But you don't think like Regis program, right? But you don't think that I'd love to see another fight with program. But I'll fight with progress. Teofimo, after he lost, was like, man, I shouldn't have stayed at one 35. Josh Taylor after he lost was kind of like, man, I probably shouldn't have stayed at one 40..
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"jose pedraza" Discussed on The Corner
"Didn't get to put down. Yeah. That was an awful stoppage for a man who has never been stopped. Yeah, you let him touch the lease and get the get the hate. What? He just got rocked, man. He was fine. He was finally let him go down if that's what the case. You don't stop a fight there soon. Now Gary Antoine, what Russell, I believe is 17 and O 17 knockouts. He's a good fighter. He's a little reckless. He comes in charge of me and he dives in. He leads with his head a lot. There is a lot of opportunities for your opponents is going to take advantage of him. I wasn't fast enough, didn't have the power. Long in the 238, he couldn't take advantage of thought. A thought poster would be a much more difficult puzzle to solve. But Gary stone, we also was like an engine that just wouldn't stop going. I think somebody said he reminded them of a poor man Sean Porter, just not as technically sound, like he was just plumb rushing him. But the stoppage was terrible. I was so disgusted with that stoppage. But it is what it is. Gary and Charles whistle get another big fight. I just don't know how good he is. The stop is just huge, don't get me wrong, but he's going to be a champion this year. I'll tell you that. Because now with Josh Taylor, he's pretty much said those his last fight at one 40. He will vacate the belts. They will disperse and I don't see how when over post album does not set them up to be ranked number one and fight for a title and one of these divisions. And I just don't know how good he is. So you look at it. I don't know José Ramírez who fights this weekend. You look at a guy like thiel fema Lopez, who I expect to come in and if there's one thing, guaranteed in this world is that the WBC loves them some TO female Lopez. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him fighting for that belt immediately. I won 40. Maybe, so that's Ramirez, tio female. Gary, and I'd say we just progress, probably a line to fight for the other one. Now they sign with you. I don't think Gary and John Russell is going to be a champion this year. I don't think that's coming. I think the pro style was just champion not too long. It was long enough ago, and at one 49. Four years ago, but he's fought for the title three times 6 or twice since dark. And I don't think you'll be a champion. I don't think you'll be a champion this year. Nah. And if he does fight, if he steps up, he might get stopped. He's way too reckless for my liking. No, I mean, he could get stopped. To me in a unification though, I feel like he can beat the next guy. Like, if he has to. Don't think so. Don't think so. He be posted all again, post-ops older, I don't think he's that good to be a champion this year. He's got to show me more. Defensively, he's not great. No, I mean, again, though. Now we got to talk about like, how good is one 40? If Josh Taylor was pushed to this limit, how good is one 40 to be fair? I mean, it's still good. Like Howard. I mean, Reese's progress is still a very good fighter. José Ramírez is still a very good fighter. Josh Taylor, I mean, he had a bad night, but he's going on to 47. But 40 still a very strong division. I don't think I don't think it's weak by any stretch of the imagination. So let's see. I'm looking at the rankings right now. Yeah, he wouldn't be pushed up in any of the rankings yet. Odd. Nah. So because only because Victor pulsar was ranked highest in the WBC, but we have the PETA versus Ramirez. Wanted to win the WBC. So that's pretty much going to determine the WBC champion. Right there. And then WBA is Alberto puerta versus Israel Barroso? Listen, fam, I don't, I don't know why any of them. And then we just probably grace will probably be IBS, go for the IVF title versus Ponce, and then cataract and deal female Lopez are one and two in the wbl. Yeah. Jared Sean was saying being those guys right now. He'd be numb nuts. Not a person I mentioned, so. Man, it's going to be tough. This weekend, again, just looking through the schedule real quick, touch on it. José Ramírez versus Jose pedraza. José Ramírez tried to bounce back. I expect him to win this. You know, for Joss was a great recently, but I spent José Ramírez to be who he was before, you know, getting starched by Josh Taylor. Yeah, definitely. And then no shocker. We have chocolatito. Martinez, that's gonna be a good fight. Animal at the lighter with us. You talk about 400 punches landing. This is why it's gonna be crazy. Yeah, chocolate be the fight of the year. This is a fighter year candidate on paper. And I expect oh, absolutely. There's no way this doesn't deliver. The defense will be at a minimum. This flight, defense optional. I can't see this fight going any other way, but just hands me and thrown. This is going to be a fun ass fight. And it sucks, I'm gonna be watching it while octagon side for UFC because I am watching this fight. Ain't no way I missed this. I'm gonna be doing the same because I'll be covering UFC, but I gotta keep an eye on this fight. And make sure I get coverage up for ringside, 'cause this is gonna be a war. It's going to be an amazing fight between two guys who are very well respected and a lighter weight classes. And then it comes down to when is chocolate Tito shop warn? I don't know. We thought he punches. We thought he wasn't going to Visa. And that wasn't the case. We were wrong. It ended up he just went up too high. Yeah, so I don't know, man. He takes a lot of punches. I don't like the punches that he takes. But Martinez, can you give a lot of punches? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's going to be. There's going to be a lot of fish flying. And it throws a wrench in the entire entire division. Absolutely. 100%. There is no clear advantage to talking about I can see this fight going either way. I just know it's going to be a good satisfying. That's all I know. Never go back down to flyweight if he wins this shit. So it's going to be a fun, these are, again, he's on a hardcore fight fans fights this weekend. But we're gearing up for a huge slate during the month. And these are fun. These are the fun weekends that we get before we get into the big marquee fights, which are coming, you know, march 19th, weekend. We have four 5 car 5 fight cards. No, I can't count 6. Dre,.
SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"jose pedraza" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"They believed devante. Davis has already proven himself to be an elite fighter. I believe yest- actually beat real opponents to be considered and lee fighter. Where do you stand in that debate. He hasn't been an elite fighter. So i can't call him in late yet and i think he's right outside your pound for pound list but i love how Both bracken awkward challenging you. They made some great points. And i gotta say man out of that that argument. It wasn't really an argument that debate. I adds it out to them because you made some good points to. They made some excellent points. And i agree with with with you on the elite part. But everything else i got to say. They made some good points. Good points today. listen. I don't have enough time to do. We're talking about even remember. You don't even remember you remember any of the good points. But like everything else you want to straddle the fence say you make good points but you may not know the. Here's one name an elite fighter that galop that that was a great point they made. They made several. I'm telling the dmitri's android that they try. Nature's andrew does another one. But here's my thing to on that like is android has the amateur background with germont. Davis does not have to meet your is android auto. He's at least seeking out those opponents. He's not had those opponents since it's because nobody will find him gotta go often for years did not have those points and by the way i don't have to meet your is android in my top ten pound for pound i did. I still have often at the back end of mine but gave him when he was fighting. Nobody's early in his career. So you can say whatever you want but if you're gonna put a guy top ten pound for pound beat more than jose pedraza. That's all i'm saying. That's the. I'll have him in my ten. I think he's outside of the top fifteen. Maybe because he's a pound for pound attraction he's a pound for pound power puncher and he's he's calling for popular so that right there makes them elite he's a ticket seller and i i'm on the i'm on the train. I think he's gonna be special. I think he's gonna crack the top ten rankings. Maybe this time next year but for right now he needs that dancing partner he needs that be side and he can continue doing what he's doing. That's destroying opponents He's gonna get bigger and bigger the pay per view. Numbers aren't gonna matter whether they're i mean whether they're higher lowered gonna matter because he's already doing. He's taking a page out of mayweather's book with when he fought god he didn't do over five hundred thousand buys you. I think he did i. Three hundred thousand now is a good start for pay per view from there just went on to four hundred five hundred six hundred thousand then now. He's the the pay per view king. Not look that made her star to go to jersey to face. We will leave it at that..
Tha Boxing Voice
"jose pedraza" Discussed on Tha Boxing Voice
"I know what you're saying. I feel the same. I feel that tank. Danny those names will sell out in atlantic city because they close to philly but is the money the same as the ticket prices. the same. well. I'll tell you what what i happen to know. Is you know it might be a small nothing but just the business of it. The whole heart rock. Ag whatever company. That's the same people that own vegas. They also been doing before the whole shutdown. They was doing a lot of nice venue joints at the house of blues for like big name artists. You know what i'm saying. So what i'm thinking is again. It's all tied to the same promotional company. I'm thinking that somehow they would find a way to make it. Where even if they only said for the war. I don't know what the capacity for the boardwalk is but said it say yeah. We're doing twelve thousand for the boardwalk. They were priced tickets to where that gate was enough to You know You know sweeten the pot the network would be the key. I think they got that sewn up. The venue will be key. You know what. I mean as far as something that has a history a ac boxing history man. What though because remember when you going casino now to not a promoters looking for the casino to dome a check where yo- you we want you to come to your show over here because you're going to bring patrons casino and i think that atlantic city is primed for that atlantic atlantic city is prime remember. It used to be the trump plaza that used to do it right now. And that's why promoters you if you floyd and you elevate do you take a chance on a c. When you already got like black excellence popping off in atlanta like tag bringing out superstars television stars actors rappers like is the crowd gonna follow him. Is atlanta gonna come to a see. That's how you got to look at it. Would atlanta come to ac. I'm not saying they won't. It looks like that sort of crowd with all that money. They might wanna be at a casino and gamble a little bit. They might wanna see a casino show. Maybe maybe there's a performer performing in atlantic city. The way that vegas does it. But are you going to get that money from atlanta to come to atlantic city or is that atlantic city market going replace that atlanta market. I think you can draw a summit at market. But i think what's going to happen is you're going to get to the regional cultural market. You're going to get the puerto ricans and philly com and you're going to get new york coming if they anybody that will go to the mohegan sun. we'll go to atlantic city. That's number one of the mohegan can get nine ten thousand four draw a connecticut. I'm thinking atlantic city geographically presents. A better for dc to come out for baltimore. Come the old dmv area to come out. You know what. I'm saying god. Virginia can come out and with all that money they might not drop the landfills but i think they can get from atlanta to atlantic city and then have the identification. But that's the thing right like the the phrases atlanta likes to party so atlanta likes to party in atlanta is atlanta going say oh that kid we adapted tank. We adopted him but he's fighting in. Ac let's go support him now. That's all you got access of. And i think that's what an and her floyd i'm ahead to that accent. I'm answer that we live. Would we see me. And you hotel generation. This is the airbnb generation tanks going atlanta atlanta and turn up in excusing tangoing atlantic city. Let's go turn up atlantic city. I think his fan base does follow him. I would love it. I would love to listen. I'm not any closer to atlantic city are used to be obviously but you know people glorified gennady lufkin facility in two regions when he was able to sell madison square garden in la. You know he was considered the man because of that he was considered the man and people demanded more. That can nullify. Because he was a commercial draw in two different regions coast without without having to be american so tank can establish because i think he a fight already lille right or was that also in atlanta not add to be l. a. Something let me look up his his leo fight but i think tanks been in a few markets man you know from vegas to atlanta and others. I believe which i'm gonna to get for ya now. Looks like state farm arena. He fought in san antonio with leo. He fought in the state farm again with gumbo and burials Carson california who go dea. So he's been fighting in. La west coast right did again with sake and in the t mobile arena in las vegas. He also fought in the united kingdom. He also fought in brooklyn barclay center for his first world title with jose pedraza. You know He fought in florida right here at the hard rock casino. He fought in the armory. You know He fought in vegas at the palms casino. He fought in orlando how he was finding orlando shot him. He came to florida again in vegas atlantic city and that was a long time ago. So why not. Why not do it. Against and i'd do it again. This is the beginning. Atlantic city pittsburgh ba- luxy Little creek casino in shelton fox was man chug it s connecticut more washington bethlen. That's p. a. baltimore ss area washington again Yeah man and that's about it. That's the very beginning. So he's only fought in. Ac wants man. It'll be the homecoming the back. The welcome back and fight and ac at the claridge hotel since he was one thirty two and it was two thousand fifteen. That's some time he's busy. He's been doing big venues this saying like after that he fought in in vegas. And you know he's fought a lot in vegas man and then you k- he's headline i. I don't know man hopefully. Hopefully they could. Hopefully they could. I mean look. It's a market. I think philadelphia is like atlanta but. I don't know that it's like that. Like like with the with the lamb bows and shit like they got way more actors in atlanta. Didn't philly when my wrong about that. Now man. I think big about like this man like philly detroit nor buffalo does those cities where fighters come from. Those are not necessarily the best been used to have a world championship. Fight you coming up. And he's fighters they need that kind of small market second city venue yet as cool. I think you look at atlantic city even though its losses cachet it. It's a resort town. You know what i'm saying. It has casino just like seminole florida. It's one of these places even in mississippi they got these places where they got a casino they got a ring they got some action there but historically atlantic city has just been there mass i think is just.