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Detroit Tigers 2019 Preview with Brandon Day of Bless You Boys

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Detroit Tigers 2019 Preview with Brandon Day of Bless You Boys

"Brennan is with me to talk about each tires today. We are going to discuss everything every position every possibility. And you know, just kind of what this team has in store for twenty eighteen and beyond hope you enjoy it. And enjoy the upset. Welcome. To painting corners, your weekly Bod gas or all things baseball. Now. Here are your host Austin Hartsfield, and Dave Witkowski. We're gonna start at the catcher position. Definitely not Grayson Grigny is definitely Grayson Greiner. What I saw an article in bless you boys that said that Ron Gardenhire in December said they would probably be the Sar starter kinda give me the profile on him. And what the future is like behind him. And is there hope for the catching position in the future? Yeah. I mean, I think overall there is some hope for the catching position Grayson Greiner probably represents like a future backup though. I don't even remember exactly what round gracing Greiner or or as we like to call third. Sorry. I got it in front of you. Oh, yeah. Gray song Greiner was let's take it in. So. Yeah. You know, he was never really looked at like the guy who was going to come up and be necessarily starting catcher. And didn't really, you know profile like that in the upper minors. You know, he can hit a bit. You know, he looked like your prototypical. This guy is gonna get overpowered by major league pitching. But probably can can be serviceable and is pretty decent defensively. So there's not a whole lot to be excited about. And I think a lot of us were a little bit surprised that the Tigers seem kind of dead set on giving them the job this year. But most of us really really had come to just just loathe having James McCann as our starting catcher for for many reasons. And so everyone was kind of okay moving on. But but yet, you know, Greiner, really. Probably should be a backup to the air. Incumbent who is going to be Jake Rogers who the Tigers got back from the Astros in the Justin Verlander deal in between those two places. The Tigers have kind of stockpiled a lot of guys who are twenty nine to thirty one or a little older. You know, they've got John Hicks who has never really been a starting player in the major leagues, but can can at least fake it behind the plate. And as a decent bet for a catcher, and they picked up like catcher Sanchez and Bobby Wilson, you know, big time fans of the sport. Will remember those guys because they've you know, they've been around quite a bit. Neither one of them is really a major league caliber catcher at this point. But the Tigers did get those two guys for depth. And so potentially, you know, one of those to come up and kinda spell things if Hicks just really can't get the job done behind the plate. But. Yeah. Overall in that that's kind of a bleak picture, and we're all really waiting for for Jake riders who, you know, baseball prospectus has their, you know. Basically their values that they would you you know, and their statistics that they would do for the major league level. They haven't for the minor leagues. And Jake Rogers was like six war player last year at Erie at the AA level and most and most of that is defense, you know, just about everybody. I've talked to will tell you the Jake Rogers is the best catcher the desk catcher in the entire minor leagues right now. And so the tires do have that coming the questions just kind of revolve around like is he going to have enough bat, and he's kinda got like this high leg kick. He looks a little bit like Mike Napoli at the plate. He's kind of you know, kind of take some hacks and has a distinct uppercut swing, and you know, the Tigers being the organization that they are. They don't like uppercut swing. Whereas those of us who are watching, you know, the way Dr lion is teaching hitting, and you know, what's been going on with the launch angle or the plane matching swing and all that kind of stuff are kind of like, you know, don't mess with him too bad. You know, he came out at Erie last year fell on his face for two months. More. For for kind of Bab reasons. Really? There wasn't a whole lot to explain it. He was striking out too much, but he got it together. And I think he posted almost an eight hundred or a little above Opie s you know, the the last three months of the season hit seventeen home runs sprayed home runs all over the outfield to all fields. And actually, I think is walk rate was like eleven or twelve percent. So you know to us that kind of looks like all, right? This might be another like Alex villa type hitter. Like a guy who who walks and hits for power, but will always strike out a lot and not know not put together, very good average. And that is all perfectly fine. If the defense is good as advertised and from what I've seen it is. He's a very very smooth receiver great blocker and thrower, everything we hear about like the way. He leads pitching staffs and talks to his pitchers and thinks through the approach to different hitters is all supposed to be great. So all signs point toward Jake Rogers being are starting catcher next year. And maybe they'd even I don't know if they bother like gaming him, you know, for for the forty days, or whatever they might do that. But I would expect it by next year. He's going to be up a defensive catcher that good. If those are as main attributes, you know that catcher, you know, the needs go fast. You don't really wanna waste guys defensive prime trying to you know, squeeze just that little bit more out of his bat. He'd be ready to play in the majors right now behind the plate. And it's just a question of if they can you know, if they can kind of get a little bit more of a contact approach out of him and cut down on the strike outs a little bit. And so they're going to work on that this year at AA, and he'll probably be at Toledo at the AAA level. At least by midseason. And before long should be our starter. And I would assume that eventually Grayson Greiner will be his backup. So that's not going to be a bad pairing defensively, they should be solid. Neither of them is likely to be a particularly good hitter. But that's par for the course, unless you have JT real Muto or one of the two or three actual hitting catchers in the game right now. So it's not so bad on the outlook at catcher, I actually think is pretty good. The good news. Is unlike Alex veal, his dad can't trade him eighty five times. So yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, that's that's the most savage. I know the whole thing was weird of hell he'll ahead to keep giving these quotes about it. Like how his his his wife was yelling at him other family members are like all you're taking the grandkids way the ship them over Chicago. Once he didn't like two three times. Yeah. I did. Did it twice? Can you imagine? Like, you know, you joke. Joke apparent all the time. And you're like, oh, trade you my kid, you know, trade kids with you. That's like the little side joke of the Detroit is kit like twice. Yeah. Without a second thought, you know, just delta coldly is just so. It is fun. And you know, he got a World Series ring with the cubs. So. Power to do you. Like, right, right. It a text your dad be like thanks for trading after that like, yeah. Or do you come up with your ring and just be like, oh and your face? Somebody that does have a ring what a segue Miguel Cabrera is the face of this franchise still in the middle of that, you know, extension that was given to him in twenty fourteen that started in two thousand sixteen he's healthy. Again, you know in before he got hurt last year McGaw Cabrera was actually having not megi kind of year. 'cause I think we could tell something was little ailing a little bit with him. But it's having a leader in the clubhouse having Miguel Cabrera back in healthy a red in our goal. Bless you boys today that said, you know, the bicep is healthy again and Miguel is smiling, but he's focused. What's the feel with Miguel right now? And you know, how is it having him back? Basically, if feels really good to have a back, you know, just for just for the fun of watching him play, and just, you know, kinda the looseness which with which he plays, and you know, his sort of atrium beltway, you know, type penchant for messing with people on the field and all that stuff. He's just with Justin Burley undergone. He's sort of the presence. He's. He's the guy that you know, you see all the young guys look up to he's the guy that all the fans come out to see still, and yeah, they really miss them. And last year was really just like the absolute nadir of my Tigers fandom at least since like the two thousand three debacle there. There was no there was no movement last year toward the Tigers. Getting better yet. Really, you know, they they picked up like Leoni Martine and Mike fires and they dealt those guys for a couple of decent prospects. But there was just not a lot of meat on the bone there. And you didn't get to see that many of the prospects coming up last year. So you know, there's more to look forward to in general this year, but just having Miguel back really makes it feel like the Tigers again. And you know, he tore the bicep, and that's something that, you know, should be, you know, fully repaired, and healed and rehab and good to go. The thing. That's really kind of held him back is just the lower back issues. You know, he's had some disc issues, which is, you know, natural for player his age and a lot of times they can kind of get it back together and manage that to where you're still loose enough and aren't really having any systemic issues. So we'll see if maybe he can get back to that point this year because just say he's still a really really good hitter. The thing that's lacked. The last couple of years is it. He's just he win. The the back is. Bothering him and especially early in the season when it's cold. He's just not really able to get the ball up in the air. The way used to is not quite able to squat down into his legs and drive it up in the air as as much we saw this in two thousand sixteen where you know, his his numbers is on base percentage. You look at like the exit velocity off the bat. It's still you know, top two or three in the game consistently. But it's just a matter of getting in the air, and he finally start kind of hit that point in two thousand sixteen like right around the all star break and just went nuts. They'll the whole second half. And that's kind of been his MO is whole career. You know, he's always a little bit of a slow starter. And then takes off. So when you look at his numbers from last year. Yeah, there's like three home runs, but in every other capacity like he was hitting the ball hard wasn't striking out anymore than normal was still taking his walks and drive in runs in and that's kind of what we're looking for. And you just hope that they can kind of nurse them into the summer months where he's a little healthier than you spend the past two years, or at least feels better and can do a little bit of damage because. Yeah, we'd like to see. Five hundred home runs come up on the board here before too long in the last year really kind of cut into the progress toward those those markers that he's got this future. So is there a successor in the system? I mean is there prospect that's like waiting adverse base? Is there a possibility that he could eventually go to the H role or you could just going to play first base because he's McGaw Kebir. Yeah. I mean, I think he's going to play first base a lot still because he's Miguel Cabrera, and you know, and he's never gotten hurt, you know, play on the field. That's always running the bases or swinging the bat. So I'm not really sure if it matters that much, and he's still a pretty good defensive first baseman on the really isn't anybody who profiles like as a, you know, your typical like big Dongku mashes Tators and can't play anywhere else on the field. There's there's a guy Ray Ribeira who the Tigers took in the second round in two thousand seventeen who kind of fits that profile. But I just don't know if he's gonna hit a mouthful to have to see there's a lot of questions about, you know, his ability to to to hit, you know, advance pitching. And I don't I don't really see it coming. So I'm not really. But you know, first base, you know, really what we're looking at what the Tigers rebuild needs is a couple of good middle infielders who can hit that. That's where they need to focus. And if you know they have to piece up together at first base and a corner outfield. Spot down the road that you know, those things are easier to deal with. But, but yeah, it's the lack of a really good shortstop prospect, and the lack of a really good second base prospect that really is kind of the chief concern than in the Tigers need to find a way to address that with a trade, and they hopefully good draft hopefully a lucky draft as well. I'm glad we picked the time to do that. We did because we actually had my well minor signing, you know, it's not as big as the signing that happened yesterday. But you know, Josh Harrison is a member of the Tigers. Josh Harrison isn't Manny Machado. Listen. Let's not pretend like he is. But he's a free agent that sign so we're moving in the right direction of free agent signing again, you know, he's kind of this Oltra utility for the field. I mean, he could also pull the outfield if you really need. To. But you know, I wouldn't suggest it where does Josh Harrison fit on this team. And do we think he's going to see a lot of time? Yeah. I mean, I think he will probably I'd probably get pegged him for like four hundred and fifty ABC's something like that maybe five hundred get he is versatile enough that they can kind of move them around. And the thing that Tigers don't actually have the D H like now that Victor Martinez has gone that that space is opened up, and it's going to let them kind of kind of flow a lot of their sort of utility players on through that spot the go Cabrera will h some, but there's there should be enough room for Harrison to play second base. Yeah. You know, maybe a hundred games. Maybe they'll throw some to Nico good room who's kind of being developed as our hopefully, kind of Merwin Gonzales type utility, man. We'll see about the super part. So yeah, you know, I'm I'm glad that the Tigers. Didn't stop looking a my actually wrote a piece just the other day which felt like the fifth time. We'd we'd cata gone over the free agent market this offseason like begging the Tigers to do. Something and it was just that you know, that the way the cycle of free agency has kind of come undone the past couple of years, you're seeing you're seeing this more and more will, you know, the big guys are still getting their money for the most part. I assume Bryce will get his money, but it's the older veteran free agents that used to get like three or four deals, maybe, you know, year deals, maybe like eight ten million dollars. And those guys are now getting like one year two million dollars three million dollar offers. And so they're coming back into free agency every year two which just kind of like creates this spiral where all these guys are sitting around. So the Tigers didn't really have a second baseman. And I'm, you know, I'm not super enthused about Josh Harrison, necessarily, but you know, you put them next to Jordy Mercer who they already picked up from the pirates, and we can feel the clause of Jim Leyland all all around this move. Austin and he should help out a little bit. And you know, at least kind of they don't seem to think Nico. Good room is really like a bonafide like starting second baseman. So you and the prospects that we were afraid they were gonna call up guy Dowa Lugo who they got in the JD Martinez deal who really just doesn't just really hasn't panned out much as a prospect and wasn't really that. Good get at the time either in that deal. Even though he was sort of the main piece so we didn't want to see him. So I'm happy to have Jack Harrison in there for a year as a stopgap, and then we will wait for the legend of Cody Clements continue to bless him. And it was maybe say it was about to ask a very selfish question. Law or longhorns guy. You know, you gotta ask about, Cody and know, see what's going on to see this. I say this eighty five times, my mom named me. Austin for a reason I was supposed to go to Texas chose other options. I love the horns I watched the horns, I just got done watching the horns yesterday play rice. Is there hope for Cody Clinton? Yeah. I do think there is there is hope for Cody Clements. He's not he's not any kind of you know, top one hundred prospect. But the tools are there enough that if I think if he can just kind of find a way to to shorten his bat, and he seems like the type of guy who will go all out and do whatever it takes which is going to need to. I don't really get any sense of that sort of like, Roger Clemens son, kind of nonsense, brother. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So he seems like he's all he's all in on that. And he's he's going to have to you know, develop as back control and learned the kind of fight through some tougher at bats. I think because the swing is long. You know, he's swinging for the fences a little bit, and that's probably not gonna not gonna carry over into the upper levels of the minors. But you know, he he he's sorta has some neck. There's just something about him. And I don't know if it's just his personal cabinets or what? But he's he's a guy that's real easy to kind of dream on a little bit. And think like, you know, what I bet, you know, this dude will be a serviceable second base than hits twenty home runs. It's coming give it like two years. And I think most most prospect watchers most Coutts will say like, you know, his odds just aren't aren't really very good of ever being a starter. But I certainly am interested to see what he does this year. And I think this year is probably gonna tell us a whole lot. He had a good first year. But you know, he's playing against kit nineteen year old international free agent, kids and. Prospect. Yeah. Planning is basically like the American conference after you've just gotta think twelve I mean. Yeah, you should accede. Let's talk about the twenty seven. Yeah. Twenty seven eighteen draft broke lick. I'm trying to I'm like doing it in my head. You got to golden spikes award finalists in there. What was kind of the field coming out of that draft? And in retrospect to this point. I know it's not retrospect a lot because it was just last year. How are we feeling about all about the go the draft that you came out with? Really pretty darn good. The Tigers have had a long history of Matt drafting and developing very well. And some of that has to do with giving away picks to sign free agents kind of through the Mike Illitch years and the Tigers really stripping down like, you know, their international scouting efforts and really kind of pairing their whole organization down to the bone to really put all resources into trying to win the World Series right now. And so there are plenty of reasons it's not necessarily just that the, you know, the Tigers front office sucks at this elevator has a very long and distinguished history. As a scout those guys do to some degree know what they're doing. And we just kind of saw this year. Like if in the twenty eighteen draft it felt like they finally recognize some things that other teams had known all along which is to look for high end tools to look for upside. And to not, you know, keep drafting the same like semi hard. Throwing right hander out of the SEC. Who wasn't particularly notable? They they did that kind of thing like for years doing that. Picking up like, you know, random college outfielders who just didn't really have the speed or the power potential Dever become, you know, anything particularly good. So we think they did better. We liked Casey Mayes that. That was kind of a no brainer. Pick for them. I did make a fuss about preferring Nick Madrigal to some degree. But I felt like it was thin. Slicing you know, there's not. Wouldn't I wasn't going to be mad either way? So they did. All right, there Parker medals prospect who has a lot of tools as well. He's fast. He's got good power. Pretty good. I for his age swing is little long. He's got refinements to make. But I think everyone was happy with it. You know, Cody Clemens is a third round pick the first first selection in the third round. So he's a little little higher than just a third round pick. But I felt pretty good about that. They picked up a guy Tariq's grouble who is a hard throwing lefty with a really good rising fastball. And I think they got him in like the fifth or sixth round. So yeah, there were there were just a little bit more upside they grabbed a guy Hugh Smith out of like a small school up in Oregon who can throw ninety six ninety seven and is like six nine. Kind of all headed come together for him late in in his college career. So yeah, there was just a little bit more of that kind of thing. Like, some some upside. Guys, Brock death ridge who has one of the best names in the minute, the minor leagues college outfielder with some great. I'm like double plus speed plus power. I don't know if he's gonna hit enough. But at least he's the Tigers seemed to have recognized that draft some athletes once you get past round one or two go go for the lettuce, and hopefully they'll improve the player development system enough to develop a few of these guys and pull something out of the late rounds, which is something we really never never really get. You know, I think alike, drew smiley, Alex villa? Like, you know, those were college pickups in the late in the late top ten rounds where they found somebody. But a lot of times they they just have completely whiffed after the first round or two. So I think in in general, we're all feeling better about that. Is this the question of whether you know, obviously how they pan out. And if there's really a a noticeable change in process like the Tigers, you know, they definitely gotten out of the data revolution. And they have all the the the tools now, we just don't know for sure if they know how to use them. So so does Harrison start at second base on opening day? Yes, he does. Okay. And then good rooms kind of the utility guy behind him. Help me always shortstop because you know, we talked about the struggles at the middle infield positions who is on the receiving end of a double play ball when we're talking about shortstop. Let's gonna be Jordy Mercer as the starter for sure. And that's probably gonna be is. That's probably going to be the case all year nickel. Good drum can play shortstop, you know, an and kind of fake it there for a few games. So, you know, Georgie might get get some days off to let me go play there as well. It's it's kind of a weird situation because you want nickel good room to get those at bats. Because he, you know at twenty six came out and had a pretty good year. You know, he's he's a guy who looks like he could hit fifteen twenty home runs steel fifteen twenty bases. It's just a they can't quite figure out where they wanna play him. And he he's probably gonna play some corner. And you're gonna see like Kristen Stewart, Nick casinos. Take some of those D H, bats too. But yeah, I think Jordan Mercer basically got a lock at shortstop. And the guy they traded Leona smarten four last year to the Indians on Willie Castro is a twenty one year old switch hitting shortstop who you know. He's got the glove to play shortstop at at least an average level in the major leagues. So he's going to be the guy to get the next shot. Probably next year. I would assume he he probably probably doesn't have the bat but to stick and become like a part of a rebuilt like contender. He'll be probably will end up in a utility role somewhere down the road if things go well, so that's kind of where they're at an. Yeah, you you might see willy Castro at some point before September. But he's kind of kind of the backup like, you know, late season. Call up type type cat Isaac Paradees is probably the Tigers best hitting prospect right now, he's a nineteen year old from Mexico who they traded. Justin Wilson, Alex Avila, who we talked about earlier to the to the cubs in two thousand sixteen and got him when he was seventeen at the time, and he's just about to turn twenty now and his mashed his way like right through the Florida state league absolutely wreck shop there and at Yeary this year in AA as a nineteen year old. He has the hands and the arm and pray. Probably the instincts to in the first step to play shortstop. But really just just lacks the range and has gotten has really kind of filled out early which I think is one of the reasons why a lot of lot of the the prospect lists haven't had him very high or haven't even had them in the top one hundred is that a lot of people seem to think like he's already, you know, basically, he's just a dude who was really advanced at a young age, and he's he doesn't have that much ceiling left to fill out, but you know, the dude mashes and and he can play the infield. And the Tigers need all the guys like that that they can get. So he probably will end up moving to either second base or third base down the road. But you know, you look at the Tigers top ten prospects or whatever and see him with the shortstop next to him. That's probably not the case. So I wouldn't expect him to to come up and be the Tigers next shortstop unless he really gets in just incredible shape and pulls off some kind of Johnny Peralta renaissance with himself as a young, man. Johnny Peralta had to do it when he was a little bit. Older. So yeah. Those are kind of options, and that's that's really like the key positional weakness that they have if the Tigers head, you know, Fernando Tateishi junior might even be just asking way too much in general. But if the Tigers had a good shortstop prospect, I think the entire system would look a whole lot better. Hell if you just one of the one of the pirates infield prospects at this point. I mean, they have eighty five of them. They got plenty. Yup. Just like give us one. You know, it's like a it's like a lending it, Anna. Anna, hoarding exactly and we just call San Diego. They have eighty five pitchers to. Yeah. I would like to call San Diego L of Hewlett better. We call on sandy zeal prowler Prenton loves making deals to that's for sure he does. And you know, you guys are there right now, they put the money down. So it's still seems like you guys could use yourself a nice starter. You know, maybe a maybe an extreme fly ball pitcher like Matt Boyd or something who really durable, and you know, develop the new slider last year. You know, I'm not saying we bought that much. I don't expect release your AS or anything, you know, thinking about it though. Okay. This is like a dip into your prospect pool is not even a dip in if you take one prospect out of there, it's like taking like just a milliliter like it's just ridiculous. But you know, I gotta ask because you know, Jim Leyland was there forever. Did you see a change in the team at all between how ran or anything when Gardenhire stepped in? I know it's got to be kind of weird having a guy that you went. Ahead with for so long now in the manager spot in the manager's office in Detroit. Yeah. I mean, it felt a little weird last year. You know, the thing is like Ron Gardenhire was just a very likable, dude. You know, obviously, a really really sound baseball, man and stuff. So it wasn't that awkward. It was what was jarring was going from Jim Leyland to Brad office for a couple years, and then, you know, having everything just flame out, and then we go to Ron Gardenhire, and we're talking about the future. But we've basically got Ron Gardenhire bringing in like the two thousand five Minnesota Twins staff. We've got Rick Anderson fishing hunter. Yeah. Exactly. You know, torii hunter is going to be in a special assistant to Darden her at some point here unless you got. Which you might might find a better gig. But yeah, you know, I really wanted gave Kappler. And if you know when the when the decision time came up my feeling on it was like the Tigers are going to suck for a couple of years. We all know that they've got to catch up in a lot of areas of the game. Like, why wouldn't you hire? Gabe Kaplan, who was head of player development for the fucking dodgers. And try some things because if things don't work out, you know, it doesn't matter. But instead they went with like the the move that they made almost felt like if they were going to continue to try to win and on hold the band together. And all that that's when you would bring in Ron Gardenhire, like Ron Gardenhire would have made a lot more sense like in two thousand fourteen when Brad Osman started than he did to me. Now, you know, and he's a very Santa Claus in character. He's funny. He's got the dad jokes like I can't help but find him endearing, but but I I would personally like to punt him in the entire coaching staff into the Pacific and most of the front. Office with him at this point. So. Yeah. That's where I, you know. That's where I am. You know, we've talked about it enough. And I I don't really feel like the need to make a huge fuss. At this point. It's just is what it is. And we've given them a couple of years, and they are starting to catch up in certain areas. They analytics department is really really bulked out. And and you can see the impact of that a lot more. It's just that, you know, a couple of years ago, we could have just hired like hind bloom or somebody from the raise or you know, picked up a GM who could walk right in and build a modern organization from scratch within like a year or two, you know, like what's DO? Epstein did when he went to the cubs cubs were still like filing scouting reports on little note cards that were all in these library card catalogs, and just you know, antiquated bullshit everywhere. Theo Epstein went in there with the you know, the flame thrower and outsource the database. And did some of those things that got it done really fast. Whereas the Tigers are extensively in your two of the. Rebuild if you believe in such thing. And and we're just kind of starting to come online with all that stuff right now. And you still don't know like, okay. But are the player development people that they've hired good? You know, we've still got Lloyd mcclendon as overall like hitting instructor for the entire organization. That doesn't terrify me. Don't like the Clintons for doing this a long time. But he's not my idea of like a cutting edge. Like man, who's who sees the future knows knows how to get there. So yeah. Overall, the organization has been a real source of frustration on those on those grounds for quite a while. And it just kind of sucks that we've already spent like three years. The Tigers haven't made the playoffs since two thousand fourteen and it just feels like just now they're actually starting to make real progress. So yeah, there's my take on the whole organization as a whole we nailed we nailed it. We got everything. So third base. So we looking at Candelaria opening day. Yup. For sure and KENDALL REO has been a really nice player. He had some wrist issues last year and basically his production just tanked after the first two months of the season. But but most of what we've seen from. It's a very professional at bet. A really good I for the strike zone. A lot of discipline seeps to kind of do everything right out on the field. He's got good hands and a good arm. Third base. You know, he's not particularly fast or athletic. But he he's just he's like, a baseball Rhett type guy and. Excuse me. Yeah. You know? I think he's gonna he's going to do fine at least for a year or two. I kind of think that maybe is a radius. We we mentioned earlier at short staff will end up playing third base and kindle aria would would probably make a good first baseman. He's kinda got those leadership qualities. He's got the hands to to pick balls out of the dirt and make the throws any nineties. Just kind of a smart guy who grew up really intensely in the game. His dad is a hitting instructor in the Dominican Republic and Jamie grew up plan with like Robinson canot. He still trains with canot and some of Kono's boys every off season. He is he's a bonafide baseball player. And I, you know, I don't really know if there's like the potential post like a four or five were season. But he seems like a guy who's pretty likely to come out there and just be like a three war player playing average defense, you know, a little bit above average with the bat and just kind of do that for the next five or six years. Player most likely on this roster to post a four to post five or season. Wow. It might still be begging to be honest. I might say just because you really do have to you know, and it's hard to the fan to take the actual injury risk to go Cabrera as seriously as you as you need to. It might be Michael Fulmer. It might still be Michael Fulmer if Michael Fulmer is Niyaz, okay. And he can kind of stay healthy this year and kind of get a little bit of that twenty six thousand strikeout touchback. It also depends on who's warrior using because. Yeah, you know, like fan grabs for is really heavily fit based and and it didn't like Michael Fulmer as much as be ref did even in his rookie of the year season. But yeah, that that's kind of I think it's probably our best bet is Michael former or megi kind of goes hand at some point during the season it gets hot and his feeling good. And maybe he posts at number. So when we're looking at this outfield. It's not fun. It's not fun. Nope. There's a bat do there. They're they're human beings out there. Be human beings all of their very slow moving. So we talked about Michael Fulmer who was a subject of a lot of trade talk. This not not necessarily this off season but more likely during the season last year. Yeah. Another guy that there seems to be trade rumors swirling allow around to say, the least Nick, Nick. Kost janos. I don't know why. I can't talk today. But you know, you know, humans, right? Yeah. My malts getting dry. Let's my. But so doesn't it cut the Anna's hold value? And what do you think the return would be if you want up trading him? Yeah. I mean, I think. Yeah. I mean, he does hold some value. But because of his limitations defensively, which are pretty extreme limitations. It's kind of tricky to find a fit like I really thought like the Astros, especially with like Marlene Gonzales, leaving their, you know, like Nick Cassiano says a gay, and you know, I think they let Evan gattis go. So they had like an opening as a D H quite a bit there. I thought a team like that would be a perfect fit for them. And they might come looking for him because Nicosia animals is a really really good hitter. And I don't think I don't think we've seen the best of them. I think if you put them in a little bit friendlier park as far as centerfield goes. I think you've got a guy who's pretty likely continue just to hit for high average. And you know, maybe hit thirty home runs a year. You know, he's twenty seven I believe now he should be into his prime years, but the past couple of years, he's he's pretty good offensive player. Overall, just based on the bat, even though he doesn't really add any value with his speed or anything like that. And he still doesn't really draw that many walks, but. No you look at the season. He had last year with literally nothing in the lineup. Like he was the only only hitter in that lineup that opposing pitcher is even recognized. So he didn't see as much to hit last year. And I think it'll be interesting to see if that changes a little bit the season with. Yeah. With biggie in front of him, probably I'm assuming and Kristen Stewart behind them. There's a little bit more of a threat around him. And hopefully, he'll see a little bit more to hit because he is still kind of a free swinger. But he's also one of those guys like like, I think of them as a hitter sorta like Michael Brantley like he's just a dude who just smokes line drives all over the ballpark. And it's the kind of contact that doesn't really show up as well as as you might hope in the in the the statistics because he doesn't hit a ton of fly balls. And if he did and they moved into a smaller park with the different team. You know, like the Crawford boxes will be perfect for Castanos. It would just turn into pound balls out there all day. So, but the problem is, you know, we two years ago what happened with trying to trade JD Martinez. And all these teams just kind of like, well, you know, we're not dad interested. You know, we don't really like to play him in the outfield, and you know, on the other side of it. We're over here. Like, what the hell are you people looking at you know, this is the best hitter in the game. Like JD Martinez is a better hitter than Mike trout. He just doesn't have my Trump speed. And it was just incredible to kind of watch that whole thing go down and to come away, basically with like three nobody's, you know, three like, forty future value prospects. Like that will Lugo is arguably a forty five, but they really didn't get anybody. Even in the moment, we thought was ever gonna turn into anything. So then you look at the Cassiano says even sort of like the the step down from that type of player, and I just can't really see anybody. You know, anybody trading for him. And you know, or at least not giving up anything that we we'd really want. And the thing was, you know, the market has changed so much. We I would have thought like two years ago. I was see him like, you know, the Tigers really need to extend them if they don't, you know, the only thing that's going to kind of work out for the maybe is that they can extend them the qualifying offer. And hopefully, you get a pick after the first round. But you know, I don't I just can't really even see Cassiano getting a fifty million dollar contract. To Tigers offered him a seventeen million dollar qualifying offer for next year. I'm pretty sure he would snatch that shit up. So yeah. So that really killed some of the value to their because, you know, going into the offseason, we didn't know if the market would be slow as it was last year again, and I thought well, all right. You know, you can factor in the fact that if a team traits form right now, and they have them all year. We'll then they get to make the qualifying offer and get that. Dick. But but no one's going to bet on that. I think the way things have gone this offseason. So yeah, that really devalued them even further, and you know, the Tigers will probably move them just to save some money in July, and maybe pick up, you know, just a decent prospect some somebody who's kind of a throw in. And you never know. Maybe they get really lucky and Cassiano goes ham all first half and somebody really need the bat. You know, we kind of hit things work out perfectly with the UN assessment of trade back in two thousand fifteen but that was just such a perfect confluence of circumstances where the Mets were really desperate to go for it needed. That impact bet, you know, the odds of that that kind of deal coming up again, I think are pretty slim. So I think we're just going to be stuck with them. I like the Cassiano side perfectly. I'd be perfectly happy to extend him. Actually, it just doesn't seem like they've talked that much about that. And you don't really want him in the outfield. But I think if the Tigers signed long-term, you could probably start talking him into, you know, playing some first base and moving around the diamond a little bit more. And as I said, you know, the Tigers have a lot of pitching coming. But there aren't that many bats in the in the farm system and keeping a guy like Castanos around who's who's a leader is kind of the leader of the younger guys in the clubhouse seems like it'd be a pretty good move. Because I just don't imagine that they even have to pay him that much like, I don't know if he'd accept it. Nick Cassiano says a union rep. And you know, I I assume there's a lot of pressure on those guys especially to Matt sign extensions and try to take things to free agency. But you know, Nicasio probably isn't going to get like a five year deal for fifty million in free agency itself. The Tigers could probably extend him at that, you know, that amount or even less, and maybe things will come around again next offseason. And they'll talk about that, it's kind of an awkward fit. But again, like when when you're desperate for for bats that you have. Much almost major league ready pitching coming as the Tigers. Do you know, you kind of have to figure out a way to to milk that and get the get the bats in there somewhere to support it? Otherwise, we're going to be waiting on that side of things while the pitchers develop. And you know, you gotta time that window. It's not easy. So who finished his out the Southfield? Well, it's going to be Jacoby Jones and centerfield. I assume the Tigers are really just kind of going to let let him cut loose this year and play pretty much the whole season. His bat is just you know is just not major league caliber, and I don't really know at this point in his career if he can kind of improve it much. The Tigers have tried to work on some of those things like trying to work on to strike approach with him and shorten his swing and and just trying to make a little more contact. But you know, those are the kind of things you do with the speed player to try to just hopefully get him to put the ball in play. And he has the raw power and the Russ bead where to you know, to be forced multipliers every time he makes contact, but he doesn't make that much contact. But what he does do as run around centerfield, look like Calvin Johnson or something hall and balls in all over the place, and you know, and great out is one of the best defensive center fielders in baseball and in commerical park with Kristen Stewart on one side, and Nick Cassiano is on the other side of the Tigers really need that. And so I think they're probably just gonna roll within this year. They've got a guy Victor race who was the rule five selection last year and he could play some center field. He was stuck in the major leagues the last year, and and really didn't belong there. And so. Oh, the Tigers are going to want wanna give him as much time at AAA as possible to hopefully recoup some of that development time. And then the, you know, the future is dance Cameron and came on. I think will be up probably in September. And at that point, you know, we'll just have to see if to Kobe Jones still has has a role. But I imagine the Tigers are going to give desk Cameron the whole year, basically at Toledo to kind of get comfortable and settle in. Maybe he'll come up and fill in. If there's an injury or two something like that. But he's the future at center field. And Jacoby Jones probably is just a stopgap this year who will eventually be a defensive replacement, but he is fun to watch play defense and fun to watch run the bases. Kids got his hair on fire all the time. And he's he's been entertaining. I just think there really isn't anything left a dream on there. Even though a lot of people would really like to. 'cause when he does run into any has a lot of power. But actually, he's a little bit like he's a little bit like you Ottoman Cada in the way, I think about it. I'm like, you know, very athletic and just. You know, just has no sense of the strike zone and swings at bloody everything and can't make contact with most of. So that's one caught. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So if we're talking feature the outfield, you obviously mentioned das- Cameron, if we're if I told you that it's twenty twenty two is any of these prospects. Do you think are still on that are on this roster? Wind up in that outfield as far as the minor league. Yeah. Yeah. Desk cameron. I, you know, I obviously, I think is probably the center field of the future. This guy. Jacob Robson who is kind of a kind of a classic fourth outfielder type. And the Tigers do have quite a few guys like that. Like the guy Brock death ridge. Who I mentioned earlier there's a couple of other players like that who have a lot of speed probably aren't gonna hit enough to really be an everyday player. So they have some options like that. And then Kristen Stewart, I think is going to hit and this moves us over to left field because Kristen Stewart we'll play left field. I assume basically the whole season this year, and they want to see him out there as much as possible. Kristen Stewart like he the dude can't throw like he just sees us. One of those those dudes like delmon young or something where there's just no whip in his arm like he's got kind of short. Arms. And is this brutal watching them throw. So he's really limited to left field. His speed is maybe a little bit below average, and he'll get to to most balls, and he'll catch most of what he gets to. But I assume he's going to continue to great out as a pretty mediocre defender. And that's not going to get better over time. But what he will do is show a lot of patience at the plate. And just mash them dinger's. He's got a lot of natural raw power. He's good at hunting hunting a pitch. He can turn on and crush. And I think the Tigers will have a lot of like Tigers fans are going to enjoy watching him hit this year. Even though, you know, the defensive liabilities are always going to keep him from being anything more than maybe like an average regular and. Yeah, you look down through the farm system. There really aren't any high end outfielders until you get to Parker meadows who is nineteen years old and along way away still so. So if we go onto starting pitching, you do have Michael fomer Matt Boyd didn't have an awful year. My boys'll expert if we're looking pass those two what does it look like when it comes to starting pitching. And as I obviously outside of Casey mice because we're obviously excited about Casey is. I mean, it's hard not to be. And you know, you you've told me before the you think he's major league ready almost now what is the starting rotation. Gonna look like now. And what do you think the future is concerning the farm system? Yeah. And Ashley pitching is where the Tigers have have placed their emphasis in the draft. You know, basically since two thousand fifteen when they took Bo boroughs. They took Matt manning in two thousand sixteen they took Alex veto in two thousand seventeen they took Casey by twenty eighteen and we traded for Franklin. Perez is kind of key piece in the Justin Verlander deal. So those guys kinda form like the core apart from like das- Cameron Jake Jake Rodgers Isaac Paradees those five guys are the arms that that the rebuild is going to depend on a couple of them working out and being good. And but for the time beat well and for the time being at the major league level. Yeah. You've got former you've got Matt Boyd who I think is primed to have a pretty darn good season. He really revamped his slider last year like completely rebuilt at Dr line baseball in the offseason where he trains, and it was the best version like this really sweeping sweeping slider that he was just back foot and on righties like all day and his fastball velocity. E for most of the year was really down like Beppu, dude. His traditionally sat ninety two ninety three and he was sitting like eighty nine ninety for a lot of the early part of last season. And that lasted he came back. And he and he was and he's been durable. You know, he's he's been out there pitching one hundred and fifty plus innings every year since we've gotten them hasn't really had anything major. So he's got the durability factor on his side to and so yeah, they make a kind of see him putting it together with with the velocity back and the slider rebuil- and grading out. Like extremely well by like fan grass pitch values by you know, wolf against all that stuff was just a radically reinvented pitch. I could see putting those two things together and actually posted like three or four season this year. I wouldn't be terribly surprised by that. And then, yeah, it's this, you know, the the two guys, you know, Fulmer and Daniel Norris who are both, you know, twenty five years old still very young. But the Tigers brought them up pretty early. And you know, we've already burned I think like basically two years of service time on both of them. So we've got this year and then three years. Beyond that of control and they've just both really plagued by injuries. You know, like at the end of two thousand sixteen Michael Fulmer was the rookie of the year. Gained Norris like came down the stretch on the final month of the season. Was you know to striking out like eleven per nine ahead. The walks a little bit under control and a lot of people kinda picked him as like, okay? This is the dude is gonna break out in two thousand seventeen and he's just dealt with with this ongoing groin injury. And then the scar tissue lingering from that groin injury after the surgery, and then a cleanup and this went on all twenty seventeen and for most of two thousand eighteen and it it's really sucked because Daniel Norris has just been snake bit since the Tigers got him due to head thyroid cancer. He fell and fractured. Like one of his like the the process, I'm one of his one of his vertebrae doing box jumps some box dump contest. So it's just that all these like, weird injuries and stuff and Daniel Norris still has fantastic stuff. He's got an evil slider. He win. He's got his fastball at full power and his throne ninety three to ninety five. He's got a height spin rate. He dust people upstairs. The slider is nasty. He's got really good curve ball with a high spend rate. He's got a really good change up. Like the stuff is all there. He's just a little bit like Francisco Lear Yano at his best, you know, like like a little bit effectively wild like wastes a few too many pitches because he's a fly ball pitcher and a high spin rate. Fastball pitcher a lot of the foul balls are foul back to the stands and theirs. Tend to be a lot of them like the week contact a lot of times ends up in the stands to the sides or behind him instead of in people's gloves, sway a sinker baller tends to get a lot of choppers and grounders. So he can he can be a guy who's not very efficient on that score. But he's still supremely talented and has never really had like any kind of an arm injury. So I'm still holding out hope for Daniel. Great. Great kids super interesting personality. Yeah, i'm. Still stoke on Daniel Nora. So we'll just have to see if he had Fulmer can kind of get it together. If the two of those to stay healthy this year and can kind of show what they're capable of. The Tigers rotation is really going to surprise a lot of people and be a lot better than I think people would would tend to expect. But you know, but that's that's a big gamble. You'll just have to kind of see how things play out there. Dan, one of those guys or Boyd, you know, if they are doing really, well, you know, those guys have to be looked at his trade ships, of course, then immediately as well. And then you nor is in our guy Caleb for who's the Weinstein can just like swap stories of the bad. Look, though that I mean, that's just ridiculous for then. Enormous. I mean, yeah, it's just just a string of bad luck. Yeah. It really is. And then, you know, you've got obviously, you know, we're stuck with this Jordan Zimmermann contract. And you know, when Jordan Zimmerman's neck, isn't flaring up on him. He's he goes out there. And he looks a little, you know, a decent amount. Like, the Jordan Zimmermann. You saw with the Washington nationals. You know, like really, you know, just excellent command fastball slider. Curveball carbon people up really really, you know, really good pitch ability really smart at setting up hitters, but you just don't know what you're gonna get and the contract was untradable. So he's he kinda tends to just be an afterthought. You know? He's kind of a veteran leader in the clubhouse. It feels like, you know, like kind of the guy who, you know, the younger guys will go to. But you know, how much value does that have really waiting for this? And and then you know, the Tigers signed Matt Moore anti-state Ross this off season. And probably elevators kind of had a tendency to do this where he comes out like really early in free agency and overpays for a couple of guys that he wants to fill positions and then by the end of the off season. You know, you're seeing better players go for even less than the Tigers paid. And and that's kind of where we're at. You know, we're seeing like Tyson Ross making five million dollars. I think Matt Moore Jordy Mercer. I know got the, you know, five million dollars. And now we're seeing better options go for two or three that they could awaited on which is a little bit little bit frustrating, but Tyson Ross is going to have a starting role almost almost certainly as as long as camp goes reasonably well for him, and he's healthy. And he's a couple years removed now from the threats outlets syndrome surgery, and he pitched really well in the first half last. Year, but cata fell apart in the middle of the season. Right. When they were looking to trade him, and then the cardinals just picked him up on the waiver wire and used them in relief. And you know, we didn't really see a whole lot of them from that point on. So that's just a question. If he you know, he swears that you know, the durability is back. He's finally gotten himself back in, you know, the kind of condition he was before the surgery and all that. And if that's the case Tyson Ross could still be pretty good and would probably probably will love pitching and Comerica park. Because he's a guy who you know, can use the big part of the field with a high fastball. And yeah, you know, I could see him having a decent year. Matt Moore, I didn't really like that. They got him in the first place, and that has a lot to do with just I don't really want to see them blocking Daniel Norris for a guy who's twenty nine years old has been wracked with injuries and hasn't really been effective since you know, twenty fourteen twenty fifteen. So, you know, I don't know they added him in there. And you know, it's it never hurts to pick up a lefty. But the Tigers already have Norris. They have Blaine hardy who was absolutely masterful last year kind of going between starting and then long relief and then middle relief, and then spot starting again, and was really great, you know, in every capacity. So they kind of got three left these like that who none of whom really assured a place in the in the the rotation. And I assume they're kinda going to do you know as as far as spring training goes? But I really I really hope the Tigers prioritized Daniel Norris, and if they don't I'm probably going to be super furious. So just awarding to any tiger fans out there, you can expect a very heated Email for Brandon day. It's such a thing happens so easily when we gets the bullpen we go seven eight nine so kind of breakdown with the seven eight nine for this team is going to look like for me. Okay. Let's go on reverse. 'cause it's it's more certain that way. Shane green is going to start out as the closer again and Shane green. You know, every year will put together like three or four months where he looks like a really really good dominant reliever sitting ninety five with a late life to seamer that really runs away from lefties and breaks a lot of bats to right handers and has a really nasty cutter slider combination like really nasty like when he's going good. The slider is is that frisbee slider that you talked about with like a Corey kluber. It's a nasty look and pitch, but Schengen has had a lot of injury issues. He's head. He's he's had Tommy John like way back when he was like nineteen. He's had a lot of nerve issues and his head to kind of have the nerve move. The owner nerve moved a couple of times, and you know, comes in the camp every spring with like numb fingers and deals with kind of those pins and needles all season, and it's really hard for him to be consistent. I assume that's kind of what the problem is. Because he'll look so good. And then all of a sudden the stuff will fade for a month. And you don't really know why? And then it comes back and he'll pitcher Lee. Well, again, the Tigers need to kind of catch him in a hot streak and probably not use them quite so much as they did in the first half last year. You know, this is another this is another thing is that there's sometimes feels like a disconnect between Ron Gardenhire and the front office as far as like the front office isn't telling him, you know, what to do. That's best for the rebuild. You know? They're kind of like okay guardian. You know, it's your show. We got this is Gerard or do what you gotta do. But you know, he had chain green pitch on back to back days a whole bunch in the first half, even in cold weather. He pitched the day and night game of a doubleheader and closed. Both those games. Like, this isn't what you're doing with with a guy that is really has only asset to you is that a trade ship. So hopefully, they are a little more careful with him this year because he doesn't have the ability to come out there and rip off a really good stretch. It'd be a pretty nice piece to trade in July. So we'll see how that goes. The number eight spot is gonna go to Joe Jimenez. Who is definitely the best reliever. The Tigers haven and maybe overall like their best arm in the major leagues apart from per from Fulmer Nora, you know, Jimenez can run it out there. Ninety eight has a really lively fastball and gets really good extension is got a nasty slider. He's the guy who looks like, you know, he could be a prototypical dominant late innings reliever and think he's twenty three this year. So last year was really his first full season in two thousand seventeen it was kinda ragged, and you could see him kind of kind of getting tense and fighting it a little bit under pressure and last year. He really settled in the dude is a beast like he has built and he spends offseason working out like a fanatic. And you know, we just see like Instagram clips of him all day. Just like, you know, this ridiculous bench press ridiculous. You know, you know, Deb, lift just everything. So yeah, he's a guy who's really really focused really motivated and. He would for a traditional team. You would you would pay him as like, okay? This is the closer of the future. You know, even before bullpen and get a kickback, and I'm not a fan of using your best reliever that way, so and the Tigers haven't used them that way, they've kind of flexed him into the toughest toughest leverage spots, or at least. They did last year. And I assume it will be similar to this year. But in the end like Joe Jimenez is another one who you know, he's he's very young. But you don't know how many years you're gonna get with a a hard throwing reliever, and he's probably another one that they're going to have to really consider as a trade ship. If he has a strong first half because I I just don't really get the sense that the Tigers believe, and if they don't believe it, we don't we aren't going to believe it that the team is going to be ready to win by twenty twenty two twenty three. And at that point. You're you're looking at you know, guys like Candelaria when Jimenez like, well, you know, these guys are going to be in their last year here of team control by that point. And so you probably better move them at their their highest value point, especially a reliever with the injury risk. So. Yeah, that's that's kind of the story on Joe. He'll be fun to watch and probably will make a very nice addition for some contending team at the deadline this year and irritate everyone here done the Tigers are kind of in that place where they're try. They're going to try out a lot of arms beyond the top five starting pitching arms that they have in the minor leagues. There's there's some pretty strong relief arms. There's guys like Spencer Turnbull bull boroughs. Kyle Funkhouser who, you know, probably in the end profile Moore's relievers than they do starting pitchers, and we might see those guys get get at least a crack at it this year, and they're gonna wanna keep those those spots. So I don't really know who's going to be the seventh guy. I think last year. It was drew Verhagen who is kind of a late blooming reliever that the tires have really liked in battle outta injury issues when like his mid twenties, and I think he's like twenty eight twenty nine now and really kind of like refound his slider last year. He's a big kid. He's like six seven, you know, he could run it. There ninety seven pretty lightly to see her. And he you know, he could be good. But his command is just kind of been spotty over his time. And he's another died who's a little bit of just of a wild card. But I right now, I would pay him as the seventh guy, and hopefully it'll be Matt Moore and Blaine hardy as the two left is. And then you kind of cycle through all these arms with the final two spots in the bullpen and just keep auditioning people in see got, you know, when when they come out who can who can throw strikes and throw their best stuff. That's the name of the game right there. You can throw strikes. We're all good yet yet. And if not then we know for sure you're no good. We'd probably need to send you somewhere else. That's the proven Graham. Well, nope. You've finally figured out and started throwing strikes, and you suck. So. Yeah. Maybe that's why so many guys don't throw strikes. What are your expectations for this team? Expectations. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough. Like, I, you know, we're gonna place where I just kind of want to see some fun baseball. Like the Tigers were were damn near a five hundred team for the first couple months last year, kind of gave us some things to root for you. And you and you've got to have them kinda take on that like underdog mentality and enjoy it. And and kind of like, you know, just sort of soak in that feel and the Tigers did a pretty good job of that last year. There was a crazy incident where they won this game during the game a goose like was on the field and wouldn't fly away. And then it tried to fly away like smack into the scoreboard and plummeted into the crowd. It was this little fiasco. So they made up like a decoy goose and called it the rally goose and carry that thing around with them, you know, for months like, oh, this kind of goofy crap, you know, anything to get us through the fact that it's not going to be that great. You know, I'm kind of looking at the Tigers basically is like an another sixty eight seventy win season with. I think a lot more upside maybe present than last year like it wouldn't be impossible for them to to really kinda go nuts and run it almost all the way up to five hundred. I don't expect that. But there are at least some some pieces that could could break the right way for them. If a couple of guys stay healthy, which is kinda always the way it goes. But the Tigers also have a lot better depth than the in the minor leagues. And they've had like, you know in a decade. You know? So if there are injuries to the rotation that got guys like Spencer Turnbull Cal Funkhouser, Bo Burroughs who they can call up that's better depth than they've had in a while. And it's kinda the same place in the middle infield. Like, I'm not sure that they'd even lose very much. If Jordy Mercer went down, and they called up Willie Castro just to play good defense and do whatever little bit. He can do with the bat. So, you know, there's not a lot of look forward to as far as the team and MS that sort of the problem, you just hope that they're kind of like a fun entertaining group, and you're looking individually like, okay, we need to try. You know, we need to hope that this guy can maximize value we need to hope that this guy can take a step forward. It's very player development centered. Major league baseball at this point in Detroit, Glenn against the grain might work out for the Tigers in that way. But the front office has just doesn't have the kind of track record that really inspires any confidence. And what we've seen? I think so far is a lot of passivity from from the Tigers. Like a lot of us would like to see them. Valuating their prospects and trading guys away for for major league players. Like, if you don't, you know, if you're good at this. You kind of already have an idea you have more information than everybody does about your prospects in if you don't think this guy's gonna work out while move him before his prospects, stock falls, and we're not seeing much of that. And it just really gives everyone. I think the feeling that. The Tigers don't really have a plan. You know, I I've read the cubs way. You know? I I've read, you know, like stuff about like how the Astros rebuil- that, you know, those are that really had a very specific plan down to like we want this player. We want this player to to build on the cubs head Anthony Rizzo and mine from day one that was going to be there guy. And then they were going to hopefully, sign Jon Lester in two years. That's very specific. The tigers. I I really kind of throwing things at the wall and hoping they stick I think, and you know, they've done. Okay. As far as the draft goes I and I liked the arms, I'm actually a huge bat manning fan when we did our consensus list this year. I actually had manning ahead of Casey Mayes, which no one else will will do. But I'm I'm. I'm pretty done convinced Manning's going to be a beast and might end up looking a little bit like Noah Syndergaard. If he can if you can find that cutter because he's a big kid. He's he hasn't pitched very much. He's you know, he was a basketball player who had a scholarship to Lola in in high school and took a pitching pretty late, and he's six six with just like this, huge stride massive extension. You know, hit a couple rough. I the first year first half year of of his time as a pro the there was a lot of clean up to do in his delivery. And he lost velocity. He was inconsistent. And a lot of people I think back away from him right there. And he was in the same draft classes forest Whitley who the Astros took like, I don't know ten spots after us, which really I'm sure infuriates a lot of people salt. I'm not so worried about it. Because I yeah. There could be I mean, I love forest Whitley as a prospect. But but manning has absolutely monster curve ball. He's got a low spin fastball that he can run up to ninety eight. And I don't think he's he's max. Out his his physical projection yet, he's the guy who wouldn't surprise me to pretty easily sit like ninety eight ninety nine as he kind of comes into his full maturity as a pitcher so and the command took big strides last year late in the season. We started seeing a pretty darn good change up as well that played well with that extension that he's got and the hitters having to be ready to time that monster, you know, bowling ball of a singer. He's throwing so yeah. I mean, that's the guy. I really like. And like we've said desperate or Dez Cameron is previous Jake Rogers like those those guys with Casey is included that five guys like I feel very very strong about that group that they were going to at least give us like five average to slightly better players what the Tigers are are going to lack is that star bat, and that's going to be the you know, or two and that's going to be the focus on. That's what they hopefully can find in the draft and hopefully find in the trade in the next and the next year or so, but the passivity. They've kind of had and the fact that they don't really seem like they want to spend much money anytime in the near future. You never know. They could turn on a dime and change their mind. But that's that's why it was it was really cata painful to watch Manny Machado be out there. You know, you just don't ever get a guy who can play shortstop whose twenty six year old who who's a monster at play and hits free agency. It just doesn't ever happen that it was like that. That's the guy the Tigers need, and they're never gonna find that in free agency. Again, the odds of someone like that to show up in free agency and two or three years. I just don't really see it. Carlos Correa is not really quite that player. We'll see, you know, neither Zander Bogart's, and those guys will be older older than that when they hit free agency. So those opportunities don't come along that often, and they kind of let let that one go. And I think you know, that that is going to be the crux of the issue is those couple positions up the middle where the Tigers are really going to have to figure something out, and you know, around that is probably going to revolve rebuild because pitching a fragile commodity. But the Tigers do have enough of it. I I really liked the Tigers pitching. We haven't even mentioned some of the younger arms that they've got coming up beyond that. Yeah. You know, that that should should support them and hopefully in the future allow them to spend on you know, on position player or position players in free agency and kind of put the final final touches on this thing. It's just, you know, can they bridge that gap to the point where there really are just like a couple of moves left to make and we will have to see so tell everybody where they can find your work who you are in worthy can find you on social media. Hi, guys. My name is Brandon day. I you can find my work at bless. You boys dot com. Most f- writer in editor there, and we cover, you know, the Tigers, you know, from the from the draft from the farm system international signings all the way to the major league level. We try to balance it out between being kind of a heavily sabre oriented group of analysts that we've got. But we also try to cater to like fans who just want to enjoy the game. We don't judge everybody should enjoy baseball. However, they want to at any level. 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Ben Fred Friday  October 25, 2019

Scoops with Danny Mac

36:03 min | 2 years ago

Ben Fred Friday October 25, 2019

"Scoops with Danny Mac on a Friday morning and that means Ben Fred Fridays Ben Frederickson at the Saint Louis Post dispatch stltoday.com and as always brought to you by Henderson and water cutty they say protecting a rights defending your freedom and that is one of their mottos they're available twenty four seven at the number drug crimes orders protection you name it and you can find it easily navigated on their website. Sto Criminal Defense Dot COM AH to helping individuals fight criminal charges in both Missouri and Illinois and that means state federal municipal courts also their Criminal Defense Practice Dub sto criminal defense dot com and you would have been taking care of let's jump you know what I WanNa do I want to change it up a little bit I'm just going to throw names at you from the cardinals. This assist people facing order protection probation violations sanctions by the nursing board kids get in trouble in college that may happen and off season he is there's been struggles with him with with the health with the shoulder that he does not scream guy that you offer at the top of your head sound good sounds good left-field Marcello sooner or later I think the cardinals will will offer him the qualifying offer for but I wouldn't go much further than that hopefully it'll be back bring him back we'll do it all over again now he might want a little more security if the cardinals came at him with a two year deal if he jumps on it maybe and that's that would probably be if I'm GonNa if I'm going to test the waters attend that's what it would be open arms but I imagine and I would instruct him if I was his agent go get your money go get the deal you can before you before you hit that dreaded thirty mark so hey marcel it didn't quite work out tailored totally Taylor Ben Frederickson that's why they wanted to jump on this right away I'm sorry buddy why you should have called me a long term deal to go more than more than two if you're going to do it and I think the cardinals what they could do here off from the queue oh if he turns it down okay he's got of what do they call it. The off season of accountability was last season was labeled and Marcel do it now I'm good with I'm good with what I'll always do and they couldn't get in touch them at half the you now have had a little over a week to kind of digest what the season was like and maybe where it goes forward with these guys but you just give me your thoughts what comes those that are listening to this probably have seen that happen before hopefully not but maybe you have and if you are in the middle of it thank Henderson Water County it's misdemeanors traffic while he wants to be a cardinal would love to be a car I don't think he wants to be a carnal so bad he'll take one year eighteen ish million now if he does and wants to bet on himself then you welcome back you got the draft pick if he leaves then let them go out and see what's what's going on in free agency and if he finds a deal that he likes and it's for for three years and been big bucks anyone hoped certainly a better second year was the first year but I but I think he's happy trails for Mr Ozone I just wonder with the CBA looming awesome for folks who are going how can they not offer this guy say look at the deal. They've had they've had two springs trainings or they weren't thrilled with how he showed up in the physical shape they've had an off season and you hope you get one good year out because that's really kind of what your banking on with with those who knows you're GonNa get maybe half of half good half bad that's certainly what we've seen so far in Saint Louis Ah you know good luck Marcel but if he's not loving what he finds and maybe talk about a modest two year deal that gets them a little more security than the qualifying offer Ben Frederickson never gotten hey that sounds a little personal that's a that's a generic copy there you're reading right no it's not than than what he got in that in that incentive laden deal that had last year but I wouldn't I wouldn't be shocked if he's willing to queue it up and do it over again on very similar terms and Adam has talked a lot this year even before he made his postseason starts about how he felt like you know one of the things that kind of motivates him is that he felt like he got paid for some production that he didn't provide and he's a pretty candid you know it's pretty rare to appear guy who talks about that hey looking for supper carpenter tough and and I don't know I mean the cardinals don't like to eat money and they certainly don't mind ended they've been brutal and without much signs of progress there have been some blips and some and some spikes and you know he's always you know I don't think he's he's done doc treatment but I think it's just it's complicated it would be the word that I pick if I have to sit down and and I don't know I got paid for for innings I didn't pitch so that's really what's weighing on his mind and then he shouldn't be you know to put off by coming back on a very similar deal and and as he calls the cardinals can feel good about bringing him back and saying hey we're gonNA start them at their base and hope things are better you go back to the numbers since last September when that hot streets to to to eat checked players who they gave the deals to that like a lifetime you know to to become a lifetime cardinal so maybe he gets the Dexter Fowler Bounce back proven otherwise better but still not good below average in terms of his production offensively this as a hitter but but it's hard to rely on him right now and if you're going to bring him back then I think you have to bring them back and say hey you're you're you're fighting for a spot on the bench until season and really third base and right field where the two positions that hurt this team the most offensively the cardinals didn't need to be a juggernaut offensively it'd they did everything else so well but they need to be okay offensively and their two biggest weak spots in terms of opiates were at third base and right field I think Dexter had when I throw at you and then it goes into what role does he play and that's Carlos Martinez don't treat him until you they get a fresh start somewhere else but that would probably have to me in the cardinals eating a significant amount of money that's left on that deal also sending him to a place where he'd be willing to waive the no trade there's some good moments I mean we saw with him climax leadoff spot and hold it down for a while but the way things ended it was it looked kind of similar to to the past this guy is a full no trade clause but I don't know if the cardinals couldn't find a way to to move him I see extra Palestinian hey you know I'm ready to a better year than his career worst last year in some ways kind of a weird year he had a career high amount of rb is an in home runs but when you look at the other things that he did well I think it'd be really hard for this team to bring back both of those guys Dan this is presented by Henderson and Water Cutty sto criminal defense dot com. I think a unique until you know what you have but but I wouldn't be shocked if he gets moved I think he's still when you look at his contract he's still making season when he when he wasn't able to to get going and eventually wound up in to get on the injured list and other ones too complicated of his appearances at closer got a little shaky there toward the end but with what he makes in his potential to either be a pretty good closer or basically a bargain rate for either a a decent starter or be a decent high leverage reliever which he was last season it didn't end well shopped him in the past and I don't think they are I don't think they are you know taking him off the off the board whatsoever in some ways a pretty decent starter then I think you put up with the headache and unless there's a deal that it makes your toes tangle the cardinals are open to the idea of moving Carlos Martinez they happen for awhile the short way to say this you know I think some explanation needed is what I would say I I didn't need to hear from Jeff Albert when the when the cardinals you know it's gotTa be gotta be a decent deal before you let that arm go hitting coach Jeff Albert Yeah Oh man I'm trying to think of they got from him out of the bullpen now he had this minor cleanup he wants to start again there's nothing wrong with saying hey let's come see what you have at spring training but he knows that it's I think they they are some ways tired of some of his headaches that he is caused over the time but I think this year you know I think they they were pleased with what Mike to hear from him soon is hey this is the plan moving forward and this is the identity of this offense and this is what I wanna see and that's complicated because swept from the CS I didn't need to hear him come out and say it's on him I didn't need to hear this him take the sore that's not what I was looking for but I think he can't do that and can't hold up that way and they're going to stick them in the bullpen and and I think they like what they get from him there so always an option for Carlos we moved somewhere but every guy has got different strengths but I do think the cardinals should be able to condense their philosophy and do something they can't say with ease and so far a lot of what we heard is complicated and a lot of it's really nebulous and I think when the players talk about it they all say different things which isn't a great sign and we've heard some pretty odd comments from some of the hitters down the stretch of the season things like Harrison Bainer getting upset that they weren't throwing fastballs things like Matt Carpenter saying you can't hit fastballs off speed you have to pick as the plan and here's what we learned this past season here's what was part of the plan this past season here's what wasn't and here's what we're going to really stress moving forward I think that's our our guys that hit soft contact guys had hit off speed pitching which got exposed by the cardinals for the cardinals in this by other teams the cardinals have been fans of they don't like on that long they they came they were willing to go there with stanton although you know they knew that it was depend on him the ninth pitcher that intrigues you as we get ready for the off season Oh sure I mean anthony were known intriguing although I'm kind of in the spot where I do expect I find it fascinating always to look at the free agency list that is out there and the thing I'm going to look at free agent so that's something that I'll need to see before I before I believe so I I I'm intrigued by him but I'm also intrigued in these other maybe the Tier Below Guan things like Paul Goldschmidt saying well they're not throwing it over in the middle of the plate of course they aren't to all three I think he needs to come forward to some degree and say in this off season and and some pitchers did it in regular season play are there any free agents out there whether be lineup one through eight or let's third Baseman I'm intrigued by guy like like Justin Turner if the dodgers go get rent on what happens to to him at third base I'm intrigued wanting to come and and there was probably some belief that he wouldn't so who knows we just haven't seen them beat out other teams for a long term deal with top level into that one a little bit more and and I haven't done much done much research on on him but is there kind of a stopgap you know that would be and I think he would I think you'd be more sure thing to the cardinals have now at third base Cabrera maybe I needed figuring out how to make decisions to protect your rights and it doesn't matter how big or small the case they're known for their communication with their clients worked for people in the region on the site there are frequently asked questions categories and a wealth of information to help guide you through the process are from Saint Louis they call it home their firm is the premier criminal defense firm 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I think to you have to find reliable backup that can play middle infield primarily shortstop to give the young some time off and that's considering that would be a shortstop and go to the website it's incredibly easy to navigate St L. Criminal Defense Dot Com check it out that's sto criminal defense dot com or call the very much I want to switch gears Mizzou sports and I'm GonNa Start with just the border war renewed with basketball with with Mizzou L. counts I don't think he would move to third but I you know a Dany Etcheveria would Jose glaciation be available so I would imagine going into spring training at least as we talk here in October that the idea on paper would be in spring training you're going to give him a lot of innings at shortstop and in a in a occasional capacity over an older bat that might be more tired I mean the guy played more than two thousand innings at shortstop in the minors L. D. Young to keep him somewhat fresh with the amount of innings Eddie played this past year yeah I mean clearly they don't exactly trust does there or else we would have seen everyone for the area code six four five forty four one hundred six four five forty four hundred Henderson Water Cutty full-service criminal defense firm dedicated you know I am just throwing some names out there right now I know Jordy Mercer I believe is a free agent to be as he now at a time where he's a backup but I just think he got to find a guide to spell I just think for for people who know what it's about then you don't it's hard to explain I mean this is one of the best rivalries and college sports this is a rivalry that in Kansas I I think it's great for the sport great for the fans of those two teams I think it's it's awesome and I don't I get kind of Corny when I talk about it them play more innings there played fewer innings short this season than he did the season before I'm curious I mean and maybe you can answer this played he didn't play more than seven hundred I mean did he play more than more than if you played almost two seventy at third base in the minors I just think the needs were greater and other spots you know whether that be in right field or certainly at third base and you know it's kind of pick your poison and they did not feel the Edmund can can do that because he played shortstop a ton in the minors he was that he didn't play one inning there this season I don't know if it was if they just felt they were putting too much on his plate but I think he could be that guy but it's a little concerning we didn't see him play there once at the major league level this year I was surprised too and see how he handles it if they don't go out and get themselves a bona fide backup that would be my guess would hit I I'd rather see him playing at short I probably sound like a hawk but I was talking with Tom Hard about it this week and he goes build a build a statue Jim Stock Right now and for gives Paul Diong blow from time to time and also moves around and plays that other places but let the let the bat play and plug him in I'd rather it's rather see him play often in different spots that I would see kind of an older veteran you know maybe doesn't have a bat filling in at shortstop from time to time because that guy tends to knock it used I mean he he played majority shortstop so he can do that then didn't stick him there in the majors and and the the glove develop as he kansas it is it's a great rivalry and I think if you would've told Mizzou fans when they left the big twelve that they would have gotten into the SEC and passed down from generation to generation from family member to family member I mean parents teach their kids to to hate Kansas and vice versa if they're in is is is not flying too high getting full of itself and then letting it all fall apart I I was incredibly disappointed with the offense it has never lost to Missouri in Mark Stoops Tenure I don't care what the record is they have confidence that against the Tigers and it's kind of ironic that berry goes fence bringing you Ben Fred Fridays on the grid iron terrible loss last weekend from Mizzou football against Vandy what did you see and what are your takeaways unforgivable games that fans want to see are not being played and here's a thing example of one that was coming back so I think it's great I can tell you from that exhibition and thousand seventeen that it's not gonNA skip a beat it will be like it always was it doesn't matter one iota whether or not it has big twelve conference implications it was always bigger than the from playing a coach that he had always beaten Derek Mason losing that game and now tries to get back on track by beating the coach that he hasn't in mark stoops if they were looking he did was opened everybody forget that of course you know man it this team challenge. Dan is sustaining success eight I think they would have said this is this is awesome and this is a no brainer and I'm just glad that the powers that be decided to use commonsense because it's it's fading line in the game because that group went out and beat old miss they had a gimpy quarterback and they were missing their stud defensive line there defensively battle of it and they couldn't so it was it was bad I mean they have twice now in Barrio Dems tenure received a top twenty five ranking and then spit it up the next game a loss off rich and I think it will approve to be as good as it ever was and maybe better now that maybe now that there's been some time to miss it. 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Deivis Debut, Happs Statement, Yankees Win Wild Mets Series

The Bronx Pinstripes Show - Yankees MLB Podcast

1:06:44 hr | 1 year ago

Deivis Debut, Happs Statement, Yankees Win Wild Mets Series

"We are breaking down all aspects of Yankee Baseball. This is the Bronx. Pinstripe. Show with your host age Rotundi and Scott Ryan let's go. What's up everyone welcome to the Bronx Pinstripe show episode four, hundred seventy three brought to today by. Jordache. NFL. Sunday ticket and bet online. Scott was almost disastrous weekend. Really really dog shit bad. So close to be that bad of a weekend for the Yankees, but they somehow managed somehow managed to win three out of five. I don't know the mets are that bad. The mets are bad enough that they gave the Yankees game in the in the doubleheader on Sunday and they couldn't hit either. So neither team can hit until. You know until like weird times and then and then they completely completely give the game away on Sunday. So you know we're the first game. We should be very thankful that that happened the Yankees gave away couple games too. So I guess it was. It was do you believe in do but you know think about it this way you could honestly say either team could have won all five globally. Like the mets probably feel like we should have won all five and the Yankees feel like we should have won all five. That's how that's how the game sort of bore out especially like so many lead changes late in the games sloppy play. bullpens blowing it. Extra in two extra inning and the doubleheaders even though it was only aiden especially, we got our taste of ex is finally with a runner on second twice when it comes, it comes in bunches look the Going into Sunday. When you see the way that the weekend had gone looks thankfully my j. hat on Saturday saved the bullpen a little bit and got, but it didn't get the. Wrong. I got absolutely. You don't get a win by going seven third Shutout Ball I. mean that's that is the exact reason why the win is stupid stat because Jay happ pitched the best game by Yankee starter all year. That's not hyperbole that's fact and he's just got nothing to show. There was definitely not the best game by a Yankee starter. Oh it was. It was the longest with the most notable with no runs. Doesn't mean that does not mean it was the best outing not mean that was the best out. It was a good outing. Don't get me wrong. It was gets a horrible team against a moment that I'm not gonNA take anything away from it. Trust me I'm not a guy who's taking anything away from hat. I. Was in love with the performance I was in love that he stayed out there should've stayed out there through the through the lens of letting him, finish it and bring instead of bringing in frigging homerun happy out of iino to walk in for three seconds and tie the game. Thanks. Thanks for that. Rob Me of my second win on the road to seven. I still have an opportunity but that was a big. One but yet he saved the game and the weekend really because if he goes four innings and give five runs nother dip back into the bullpen again with nobody there. So the fact that happened was was a was a good thing because you walk into Sunday with Michael. King and then you know David Garcia who was eventually they announced him but as the the other star people are looking for. Collect Schmidt We told you not happening forty man thing. Not. Now. At least their hand has not been forced yet to that point David Garcia is ready to go and look freaking. Awesome. But I tell you what Michael King looked really go to. He had a really. Unlucky I think fourth inning the fourth inning when. There was like duck three duck duck, and then all of a sudden. A So. You know he still look good and and. I was I was happy to see that he came out there but good good good pitching from the young guys on Sunday for sure team. Needed it badly. Yeah that's a good point that saying J. really salvage the weekend for them. When when when Boone is leading Jay got there for the seventh inning I was like. Ironic that he didn't let Tanakh ago. He didn't let Montgomery go and he's going to let Jay go and I think that was partially just circumstance like he's bullpen is fried and the bullpen also just blew two games on Friday blue a game on Wednesday so like hey, screw it. Let's go caution to the wind but then he brings him back out there to start the eighth inning and I'm Ann Arbor mmediately thinking of the gift from Seinfeld. Where were Costanza is taking his? Susan's parents remember to the Hamptons because like you want to get nuts. Let's get what was happening is they were giving him every opportunity to blow the game. And I'm sitting here like you've gotta be kidding me this say. Money. FREAKING runs for this guy so that we can notch another win here. Let's go boys we're on we're on a path here we have a journey to seven wins and boone was trying to screw it up although the offense really the end of the day or the ones that screwed up because they couldn't do anything against the horrible mets pitching. I mean part part of the reason it is you look at usually seven six or seven through nine, and it's Kratz, Tyler Wade, Astrada, a medicine, not the full lineup so I get it but at the same time, how many freaking baserunners are they going to have on base and then just never get a damn hit to put the game away they had opportunity after opportunity with two runners on or bases loaded two ice games this weekend, and they could just never get the hit I mean Gary finally got three batting practice fastballs and finally hit one to the the I won I won goes straight to the backstop. Just missed it. Okay. You're on it. Second one fouled off third one. Thank God he put a barrel on it and I mean, yes, he put a barrel on it. He stranded on I I don't even know how you walk off like that like. No, whatever I mean the Dude Dude is hitting one twenty I. guess it's just it's had the worst season of his life. Let the man Strut a Grand Slam. It was such a GimMe I. If there's ever a GimMe Grand Slam. That's if that's ever thing that was it because you get a guy who literally came up because of the extra man for the double header. So this kid has no business pitching in the major leagues in the First Place Rosser already expanded, and and now he's in a pressure situation with the basis loaded. At the India, you know at the end of the game, what was it the seventh inning? Knows the thinning top eight and. And then you go and and you throw three fastballs three three and on the third one you finally hit it. I mean. You can't get a better scenario than what any almost screwed it up. My Dad has a suggestion for you because he was wearing the unleash L. cracking. Shirt today, and this was like Inbetween Games one and two, and he just looks at me I tell Scott to change their shirt to release l.. Well, that is that is that is one of the things or at least the crack. So that's actually the real thing. The. Dude I mean he was just and don't even get me started on the defense. The defense was just freaking abysmal and I was telling the guys in the chat today. When I see Erik Kratz. Just throwing BB's at second base and throwing guys out from his free knees after a dude has a good jump. I mean it was a good job tracks is back. They're throwing guys out on a rope spry. Bryant. A perfect throw you can no longer tell me anything about Gary's arm because it doesn't matter. It's like the only redeeming quality that we have Erik Kratz just did that from his knees thirty eight year old forty year old Eric Crabbie's forty whatever. He's your age is you to the same age? I thought he was thirty eight easy forty. No. They were talking about it on the broadcast today at how he is him and Garcia are the oldest battery for the Yankees since like nineteen o six or something. Stupid. Him and Garcia. Difficult I know but kratz starting by the old HAP-. HAP- was. A starting with. Sorry. Biggest age gap a the mid. No sense so. Age Gap is is twenty years I'm going to just verify the. Twenty one I believe. Yes he is in anyway Eric when when old man Kratz is throwing out from from his knees, it's It's no longer a it's no longer one of those h forty. o June Fifteenth Nineteen I'm older than him by read. By ten days. No so so and did you see how he was like really really giving Garcia a lot of love out like gave him bear because I mean there were there were a lot of there were a lot of reports coming out of the alternate site camp the area fifty one that Erik Kratz was basically talent. When he came up a lot of people were asking him house, Clark Schmidt Look House David Garcia look and like he was he was just flying. Flying Colors these guys are ready. They look phenomenal. They're both ready to go and he wasn't lying Davey. Garcia looked really really good point I getting out of getting out of a jam even when the defense him down luke void has that just an absolutely terrible play. I can't say shit about luke void right now because he's carrying this team but at the same time, it was a terrible defensive play. But David Garcia gets the ground to get out of the inning like, yeah. There were a couple in the run scored was not his fault not hard hit either t looked really didn't walk a guy love that really really good performance. Before I talk about Garcia I've seen to let me vent about Luke Voids defense because he has a stupid first baseman stupid in a bad way obviously the error in the sixth-inning for Garcia. But in extras in the second game, there's two runners on it's I believe it's I in third or first and second and holder gets a ground ball and he goes to second base for the second out those two runners mean nothing get the shore out he barely got the guy at second base in my opinion was a stupid throw to even attempt by Luke voight anyway. Debbie Garcia. That curveball herbals? Nasty. That curve to watch. It's one of those like gives me and then it goes. Twelve. To six love the fact that it has the the the the the the actual optics of that ball. It looks like it like it's on a on a hook like it goes up and down. It doesn't. It doesn't just drop that thing looks like it actually moves up. It's crazy looking. It's good. Gives me the fields man because that was that was. For me his out pitch today I thought he left a couple changeups up, but he didn't show it a ton. So he got away with it has fastball went from ninety to ninety four. He got swings and misses on it. He beat good hitters with it. Cone was talking on the broadcast about how maybe even plays a little late life than it really is. So I'd imagine it has good spin rate. So. He's able to beat beat. He's got a little bit of a deception to with his delivery. Just it's it's a slight deception where where he has that like slight turn and I think, yeah just come from Cohn was talking about to this is something that we saw when he came up last year. And a little bit at the end of the year. But we saw it it does pop flies out of his hand. The ball definitely gets on banners just from their late reactions you can tell it's getting them faster than they think it is. So he looks really good if he can control the control, the strike zone, that's that's it for him. That's he's got all the tools in the world pitches are phenomenal if he can throw the ball where he wants to throw it, you know for the majority of the time that he's GonNa be really really good because he's got electric stuff you really does. Yeah, it was very exciting debut in something the Yankees needs. So desperately as starting pitching. Yeah. Now, just something other than Garrett Cole, every Friday and and look man Michael King Lip really good. That fourth-inning was really unfortunate because he could have been out of that. So you know unscathed and you know the ending would have been very different and you probably would have come out come back out for the fifth who knows what happened. So I was impressed with him I thought he did a good job. I think they should continue to stretch him out and and You know he he's a decent option right there. Yeah and the way that the schedule is just because of all the makeup's in the doubleheaders, they're actually probably going to need to have six starters. So so Garcia I think is GonNa get another shot he needs to I mean. He asked him he has to get. No but the. Times you'll have a double-header and you'll call up a kid and it's just like well, this is a one and done no matter how you pitch you could go one inning or nine innings. This is a one and done I don't think that's the situation though with Garcia and I'm happy about that I want to impeach again I said this in a in the post game wrap today. Do needs to be out there every fifth day every fifth day everybody wants to see him pitch number one the Yankees every fan out here wants to see him pitch every fifth day. He's giving them a shot in the arm an opportunity to now grow with with what he's with what he's doing. He's he's got an opportunity to create that confidence and really give this team a boost when they desperately need some type of good news that's coming out of nowhere because all it happens this team is injury after injury after injury, it's another. Good. So can we get some Hicks leaves with an injury? It's like even today in two wins to exciting winds Hicks is a hero he hits a game-tying home run, but he leaves the second game with an injury. So it's even in even in good times it's injuries are we? Oblique Ya. I mean it was on a swing. Issue but K. said. Tightness in bolt he said I didn't I didn't hear him say I didn't hear with it. They updated it like an inning later and they said he left with tightness in both cavs. So that's like that's like a Tanaka injuring bolt hamstrings while running. He did it. It was weird fix it was a swing and you could see him grimacing yeah I'm with you like Oh that's an oblique. That's eight weeks right there but they're saying calf muscles I mean who it's another soft tissue it's just it's. Another muscular injury with Hamra attendant of some sort I mean I'm no I'm no longer surprised by any injury that this team rates. Yeah it's unfortunate but that's why they need to go. So they need to be deeper in the starting pitching. So you got to get this guy in there. I mean look there's so many freaking games coming up. He should be on the Rosser keep them on the Goddamn Rosser. The next. They have six games in the next day Michael King as well. Continue to stretch him out because they're going to need starting pitchers kicks. Guess what there's going to be another injury. There's going to be another injury in the starting pitching. Did. You find it odd that Brian Cashman after Saturday's game said, you will see Garcia or Clark Schmidt or both tomorrow full wellink full well knowing he's not they're not activating Clark show maybe they're gonNA activate Clarkson at some point this season but. I don't know. It's just kind of like distant was he just like giving fans a little dangling carrot in front of fans there like why not just say Yeah Garcia's getting start tomorrow in Clark. Schmitz. Because maybe they're both maybe considerations and he he's not making that final call. So He's wonder he didn't have the information of which guy was gonNA come up. He knew prob- probably going to be. To, start reading into what these guys say I, it just drives you insane for what I'm not gonna read into what Aaron Boone or Brian, cashman. So I those are the two guys you read into what they say those are the faces of the Yankees in situations like that when there's no objective fact that could be said that is that's known. We don't know that there's a fact out there. Maybe, they do maybe they don't, but he didn't obviously didn't want to say it for some reason maybe he was trying to shield whomever was going to be from the mets forgetting maybe they were going to say at home all night and watch film on One guy if you only said one guy and now we gave him double the homework. So. This was in my mind I was saying if you're if you know you're GonNa Start Debbie Garcia tomorrow which they announced. Late last night I believe. Why not start having game one that was what I was thinking like, why make them sit around for three or four hours while the team is playing to just get the start and game two it didn't matter. He was poised I was wrong. But that was my thinking going into it. You know just sort of give the kid let them show up to the ballpark and not have him sit around. I. Mean I think sitting around helps you you're around the guys you're watching a game. So the otherwise you're going in and you're. About to make your debut coming like you're getting through a game like you're getting your legs under you a little bit by that first game I'd WanNa get out there. That's like that's like on on the I T I wanna go I I don't want to go forth go forth. I want to see what's. What other schmucks do in front of me so that I know what I need to I need pressure I want to go. First I. WANNA pipe it three hundred yards and everyone else schenken into the woods pipe in three hundred yards. I mean I have? Okay. It's like it's like Brian Cashman speaker at their. I mean you don't know we've never. Brian CASHMAN speak right exactly. Thank you. I don't believe you. Okay, we'll. We'll. We'll eventually golf togetherness effect. Listen. I'm not a good golfer but I can't hit it three hundred yards. So do you believe Brian Cashman when he says that Aaron Judge will probably need twice as long on the I l. for a rag rotation of same. That means nothing to me. He's going to need an extended to be there. Are probably double the amount of time. So beyond ten days. So twenty. Told you before he said that he was not going to be back in ten days. When he does this has the same as the second time. We're looking at mid-september. Let's call it September, fifteenth of an Arizona, come back a series or two before the playoffs. To, get to get rice that's that's essentially. Half of a sixty game season, which is already thirty seven percent of full season. So if this was a real season Aaron judge plays. Forty or no because it's not you're not gonNA you're not gonna keep the comparison Aaron Judge Again, depending on what the injury is you're gonna you would probably see him come back to play for more but because of this situation as well, they're just gonNA, hold them out did look. The. We said, we said this before the season started on the eve of the season they're like Oh yeah. By the way to more everybody's making the playoffs and when they did that there are so many scenarios that just like hurt the game this is one of them. The Yankees know that they're going to be in the playoffs in some capacity. So there's no rush to get guys back. There's just not. Well, and so I agree with you that you could tell by how the Yankees managed. The First Game Brooks Christie is out there to face. I think ten batters when he clearly had nothing and they were just pissing the game away know the Yankees came back but we didn't think they were gonNA come back. It looked like an insurmountable lead with how the team was hitting and it really hit me. Why am I, getting bent out of shape about this game when the Yankees are not getting bent out of shape about this game because it truly does not matter and I think they don't care if there the first seed or the seed for especially now, when we're all these the talk of the bubble's GonNa be out there it doesn't matter matters. And look at the standings. So Tampa has got the best record in the American league and you've got the Yankees in second place there. You've got the white SOX CLEVELAND AND MINNESOTA ALL bunched up in the central and you've got Oakland a couple of games up on Houston but if you just take the top eight teams okay. They're all above five hundred obviously actually the top nine teams are five hundred. Detroit is sixteen in Sixteen at exactly five hundred everyone else is well below five hundred you can cut a right everybody else off. So I don't even think you can include Detroit. Argument so I could tell you right now the eight playoff teams are going to be the Yankees. The raise, the White Sox, the Indians, the twins, the Astros, and the athletics. Those are eight playoff teams. The Yankees are one of them and as I said, they don't care if the eighth seed, the fifth seed or the first seat. No matter. I agree I it's annoying I mean it's annoying. It's it's annoying I guess it's a real once you realize it's like okay. Well, Brooks Chris going to get there. Also the other thing about that is you may you may start looking closer to. Actually think they will. Start Looking at what that matchup could be done who you're going face the first round like they're gonNa want the Rach up they're gonNA. Want some you know a match up that favors that in some way you might look into a couple of weeks is what I'm saying. So you're not only you're not only You know completely throwing away the importance of the regular season but now you're also going to be like jockeying for position potentially with like completely thrown games maybe or you just it's going to be. It's GONNA be Weird. For for going to be some. Thank now, nothing matters you think. But do you think they? Truly do not care if they win the American League East. Because if you win your division, you do play at home I. Know You say there's no homefield advantage but we've seen the Yankees are better home team than they are Rotea you agree with that. Yeah it depends where they are but yeah, for the most part. So the Yankees are playing Tampa again at home for three games this week Tampa as I said, kind of running away with the American league. If the Yankees do not at least win this series. Can you right off the? American League East. With. The with the players that are on the team now. Yeah. Pretty much unless Tampa just gets devastated by more injuries, but it doesn't seem like they have been sentenced. Over there because they they just keep throwing guys up there that are that are good. So yeah, I mean it's looking right now that the Yankees have to make a move on Tampa in this series, and if they don't that alias looks like it's gone, I cannot believe for saying this, but it is what it is. And now you only. With the Blue Jays now are are now. Clawing for. For the the second place team in the American league with matter because it's you got ten games against him and a lot of games going. So here's here's the other thing Baltimore. We will not leave. I don't feel confident about losers Baltimore anymore team. But. Now you can't you can't. Do that but the point is they're not that far off their five games I know six, they're under five. I know. But look at this weekend could have been very easily could have been. Oh. It was almost a disaster and I don't think that's even with the fact that they don't care. If they're the eight seed, it would have been a disaster to lose four out of five or even find out five this weekend. Yeah it's going to be. The only the on. We're going to look back potentially and say, even though we were mocking it and still mocking it the fact that they added two more to more playoff teams to the Both sides who we may, we may look at saving grace. Didn't think were going to need that didn't think we were going to need thanks rob thanks Manfred and now so if they can imagine the Yankees. Backed in the last playoff spot just imagine that right and then ran it all the way and won and won the world series. Can you imagine even now it's a shortened series and they got the extra. Playoff spot that didn't exist. You know forty eight hours before the season started. Well. I I mean essentially what Has Done is they've done a sixty game qualifying round for a tournament. which kind of makes me wonder like why not just do a tournament to begin with but that's what we were saying WBZ baby go yeah. Yeah. But whatever it is what it is at this point I still. I still think some of the things that have happened over the last week have been frustrating, but at the same time. When we last talked to, they just lost the double header in Atlanta and Chad Green. Blue Blue, the second game when they took out. Tanaka. After, sixty six pitches, and then on Friday, they had another lead and they took out Jordan Montgomery in the sixth inning for Chad Green, who montgomery been pitching well, but the tying run was on and pita Lonzo was up again. That's the right call by Aaron Boone to do that. It didn't work out just because it didn't work out doesn't mean it was a dumb decision and I find it frustrating that people. Can Acknowledge that you and I criticize Boone I think when he's deserves to be criticised doesn't deserve to be criticized when he brings in Chad. Green to face Pete Lonzo as the tying run know when when you have Especially, the tobacco match up, you have a guy who is. Look too bad matchup for Monte, looking at your he you know there's runners on now he's he starting to leak a little bit and you have a guy that's been that you know it's your guy no matter. What's happened I mean Greens. Nothing, nothing great today he looked phenomenal but you know he's he's definitely let them some home runs that were that were not ideal for this team but he's still a guy that's trusted and in that situation you you make the change it's there's no doubt about it. You try to. You try to knock that knocked out I mean same thing with with others Chapman. There's no fault there. Boone executed pitches. Execute. I tweeted out jokingly late Friday night men what an idiot boone is for not leaving in. Lewis. For the ninth inning and going to a raw chapman because I feel like that's how some Yankees fans treated that moment. Oh my God all this Chapman gave up a walk off two run home run gotta be Boone's fault how about blaming you're seventeen million dollar a year closer for giving up a walk off home run sometimes it's just on the player. It's true. It's sometimes on the player and manager will take the blame and he will you know the the social media accountable will eviscerate for no good reason because if the move works then you're looking at it like, yeah of course, that's why wouldn't he be in? Of course he's in. Didn't work. So it is what it is. The J. J. thing was probably the now we get to the J half one. Now we get to the J. One and you bring in. Amount of. Vino. In a one run game in the eighth inning, not the sydell thinning not seventh-inning. The eighth inning you go to adamant Avino and a lefty it would've been a lefty righty matchup homerun HAP- he's he's a fly ball pitcher and a juice bowl era. Those two things do not mix those oil and Water Scott. Let me tell you something here. Jay had had no business being in the game at that point in the first place he had no, he had no business being the game the ending before that and he was there he was there pitching his azoff. This is this is the eye test. This is the nerd tests. I don't even need your numbers because that doesn't matter I already know what the numbers are. The numbers are bad. The numbers will look bad when you when you look at J. Hat third time through the lineup, they're bad they're bad numbers thousand percent bad numbers. I, test says that guy's real that guy has something to prove. There's a little bit of juice behind what's going on here and him and Croats have a good thing going. To quote about Kratz. So Jay after the game says I got rhythm with my delivery. I can't say enough about Erik Kratz we were on the same page helped me out a lot. Personal Catcher situation with happy and cross. It's not just him because David Garcia who calls him padre. He's loving some Croats to the. They talking about it on the broadcast today they got an interesting decision come come time when when Hagi is is ready to come back because now he's come back and he's out of options from I was surprised I thought he still had another option but no, he's out of options. So he could go. He could get snagged well, does the doesn't alternate spot does a taxi squad think it does being downs. And also I mean Crat Kratz is going to be on the. Me You you designate Kratz, he can leave to. No I don't think taxi squad is designating for assignment I. Think it's just texted squad. You're still getting paid I think in the on the active roster. You're not on the active roster you're not on the active roster that option but you're not. You're also not at alternate site though the alternate site is just named alternate side because there's no freaking minor league baseball. That's the only reason it's called alternate cite Andrew. mcadoo is it would be called Scranton. So. Are you saying that the choice? So you're saying maybe released Gary. Gary Sanchez. I was wondering if they could designate Kratz a coach. Oh But coach he might need need a coach and then and then just like. AM. Bumping back from coach. To player. Option. Knitting him, you're promoting him. I certainly appreciate what Kratz has done for the team. and. It was interesting that they did not pinch hit for Kratz on Saturday with layoff wanted to give him a full day's rest. Get. A clear mind just get away from it. All forget about yeah or game two on Sunday they dare Gary Forgot his. which probably haven't. Didn't bring it's cozy Gary Sanchez. Strike Years The guy who had forget his cup and then just can't play because they're the rules say you have to work up? And then Gary Gary Hart's the team pulled Ozzy forgot the company the rules actually say you need you literally? Little. Decision. He kept dangling it's up to. Gary Sanchez I could see being that guy. Gary Sanchez wants to hang brain behind the plate. He can hang brain. But that's GonNa be an interesting decision because aircrafts has been good. He's been. He's been good there. I mean it's really a no brainer at the end if you're choosing between one or the other one of them is a much younger guy who's been with the system for a long time but not an easy decision not one you want to swallow maybe it's maybe it's on crafts where he's just GonNa take the assignment and understand that he's going to be back up or he's going to be working in that. There's going to be like a you know. Just to say, you know when the season's over wink wake. Job Job. For. You guys have counted on restaurants, and now they're counting on you while they're dining. There was maybe close they're still open for delivery with or dash for dash is the APP that brings you the food that you're craving. Right to your door ordering is extremely easy. You Open the door Dash App, choose what you want to eat. 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It's as simple as that were not trying to complicate anything our job is trying to win baseball games, but the best players out there. On the field under those circumstances nothing more nothing less. Oh. WHAT IF THEY'RE What if their service time is in question? So. What do you think is Brian Cashman's worst nightmare getting Jay Paying him seventeen million dollars in two thousand, twenty S. Would do you think he would Gla- Pitch well. He's GonNa get another start next week and because they have no other options because of the amount of the headers and he's pitching. Right. So but but but say happy goes out there actually think he's going to face the mets on Thursday. Five innings, three runs. Does, he get his Ex Star S. Okay. So don't you think the Yankees would gladly sacrifice a couple of games this year to not have to pay that seventeen million dollars this year what's more important to the Yankees success not paying HAP- seventeen million next year or losing a few extra ball games this year well, the thing is the him going out there and pitching doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to have to pay him next year. It's all about what happens in the arbitration case it all depends on what happens on the baseball field at all but he pitches well the rest of the year they're going to have to pay. Look Man. Look. Let me tell you something if Jay hat pitches well for the rest of the year and shows that he's a good pitcher again. I'm fine with him being my number five starter. No, they still don't want to. Hit. The thing is if he pitches well and does that they're going to give him every opportunity, they should provide the opportunity for him to effort up. If they want to prove that point, it doesn't matter as much. Do you think Brian Cashman secretly hoping he just goes out there and shits the bed yet probably a little bit. Because they know, they're gonNA, make the playoffs like he wants the Yankees to win like he hopes. Playoffs it goes back to that. Yeah. And then the arbitration case of makes nine or ten starts any pitches decently. I don't see how the Yankees are. GonNa win that arbitration case despite his performance last year I mean they'll lean on the second half. They'll be like well, you know what actually J. Cap was was was a very effective pitcher in the moments that were most necessary when they needed him at the end of the year he showed up, he was there consummate pro struggled all year but still consummate pro found the ball found the pitch found the grip found whatever he had to do to be an effective pitcher in the second half I mean I could lay this case out pretty easily. How many starts do you need to see from hat before you actually believe he is figured something out. One starts not going to do he was he's been good to in a row now but the. He was okay. His previous timeout. Okay. He pitched five it. I. Mean that doesn't mean anything. That's that's that's eight innings five years ago. So you selling. Knock is not the means nothing. I believe he gave up five runs or three runs. Great. Perfect. He's third best pitcher on the team. He's gotTa go out there. Well so it goes Garrett Cole that whose number two. Or J. depending on what the I mean David is hasn't he hasn't heard us yet. He hasn't come yet. When that happens we can we can start talking shit about him but until that happens I. will I'm going to have a much longer leash on that kid I liked I could. ally. And I really hope they're not just showing him to get rid of him to to get some stupid veteran player that's going to underperform. Lance Lynn bring bring hotdog Glenn Beck and then I'll take land but well, did you see a quote Sorry. The Rangers are very very. They're always hesitant deadline to trade. You remember when Mike Minor was available and for whatever reason did not get rid of him at that point. Yep they're stubborn yet. So Jeff Passan tweeted out a A quote from so the Rangers Twelve and twenty one they're done. But Jeff Passan's said that from an anonymous GM, the Rangers hold the key to the deadline and referring to Joey Gallo Lance Lynn and the price is extremely high on both players. I. Mean. Why not? But are you giving up prospects for Lance Lynn The good profit prospects. No, I'm not. That's what it's. GonNa cost I mean I. Guess It depends on who these prospects are really because when you look at the good prospects I mean if we're talking about like top five guys one number one is gone It would be it would be like a clerk Schmidt type, guy honestly. I'm sorry I'm not giving up maybe it's because the Yankees had Lance Lynn in two thousand eighteen maybe maybe it's because. He's got one more you're paying for. So you're getting an additional year on what what technically and theoretically should be. Again, this window that's closing but you're also we're still at a picquier now, and if you could bottle up Lance Lynn has has done in Texas. Now, you're getting a very, very, very solid number pitcher. In a in a year then in a year that you should win the world series. Or a very much this who just came off this was A. I think if this was a full year maybe maybe. But. It reality is what it is. This is not the same thing as a full year. It's just not I and maybe it's because I know the players on the. Next year as well. So you're getting also next year. That's a big deal. That's a full year of a guy who who are you need? The equation and the fact that he was on our team and looks very I don't know. It's hard. Not Look as effective when he doesn't have the beard to be honest. It's not as doesn't he kind of look like Java, Chamberlain with a Little Java thing going on but. Give it of the beard at this point like you get rid of the beard later at the end of his career not good look but job early on. Look. Look look at. Okay. So are you giving up clutch? Schmidt plus like a lower level prospect or even collect Schmidt plus do her for Lance Lynn. You gotTA, look at it I mean you got to evaluate that and look to see with with that is because the fact again, like I said this is closing you need pitching badly if there's a guy who is proving the right now that he has turned a corner and is able to do it and he's not a young guy I mean he's he's a he's he's. He's He's figured something out right? Like he's thirty three. Would you believe that he's figuring turned thirty? There's something there Veasley he's been. He's been one of the pitchers in baseball since the start of two thousand, nineteen, he's Figured something out. So yeah, I would I would be they have to win next year they have to. So. He is four. This year he's making eleven point three, million, twenty, twenty one he is nine point three million. So He's getting a pay decrease Scott we should have just signed him. He has a no trade. Clause. To. Not. The Yankees are not on the list angels dodgers. Arizona he doesn't want to go to the West. Coast Audrey Oh west coast no-trade clause interesting. So. Yeah. I I don't know what Clarkson clerkship with look. Great we we. He looks exciting. He looks like a pitcher. Do we think he's got potential to be a number two in next year because next year's we need we need we need to nectar. Yah and if Lance Lynn if you can if you can guarantee Lance Lynn will be what he is currently for the next year and not that. I mean I. Don't know what to tell you this. Real thing so you cannot finish. What I'm saying is if you have Confidence Lance, Lynn is what he is for the next year and a half and you're paying them nine point three million dollars next year, which for a the pitcher he is now is that. Damn Bar I mean the contract the contract value is moot. You Got Coal Lynn Severino, Montgomery. Someone else next year whether it's dovey whether it's the map whether it's Tanaka whether it's Paxton whoever? That's very And you gotta play for that. You gotTA play for the World Series. Got To play the you're saying I are. But if you're maybe you wouldn't want a weird year two. But, but if you're only going to win one in the weird year, that's not worth it. No. Again, this is a real thing. So there are no guarantees here. You have the opportunity to win to. It's not know it could be. That's the thing like God but come on. It's a bad look that Lance Lynn would sure I don't give it doesn't matter what the look is. He's a different pitcher I. I don't know what happened in Texas, but the guy figured it out and when he went, there would be a really bad luck as if he came to the. Just. Like you know because everybody's GonNa be expecting that you know that and Brian. Has Not done well with pitchers this this. Bad he was. I liked him he. if Bryce per this could be legacy decision. For Brian Cashman because the biggest knock for Brian Cashman, the Elway, the biggest knock for him is being able to identify and and. Real in pitching talent that's not by paying them the most money it's going out there identifying, making a trade identifying that I am giving up a very good prospect here a very good prospect to go get a guy like. Look. Do they give up their number one pitching prospect Justice Sheffield for James Paxson. Is there anyone on the Yankees Prospect Board that is untouchable for you demand Dominguez is definitely a Mueller. Sume. He's. Untouchable. I mean I'm assuming that's what the Rangers are starting with Idaho I. Don't think you have a conversation if you start there. So I don't think there's I mean, he's going be the number one prospect in baseball soon. So they're starting with. With. Clark Schmidt. Plus. I think so. Or maybe you're just put himself in that in that I don't think it would be. I think they would. They want more of the pedigree starting starting pitcher but. It's going to be one of those guys probably. Yeah I mean that would be be interesting because if that doesn't work out that that's a real bad law terrible luck. Yeah. CORTRA-. Rhinos. Number two prospect believe diversity is number three. Number three. So the I found it interesting the the win on Saturday when Batanes through the wild pitch? To To win the game of the Yankees. Kratz was squaring to bunt with Clint Frazier on third so they were going to do a squeeze play. That is not very late two, thousand, ten's Yankees like. It was a safety squeeze 'cause. I'm I trust? I trust that is. He's a fundamentally I'd. He went to the Tom Manzke School of and you don't stay in the League mcgriff would be to stay in the league this long and you're not. Up Up to snuff on your fundamentals that guy can bunt Right. He. Still plays pepper before games. The thing I was really looking forward to with these extra inning games with the runner starting on second base hot as the Yankees. Hand like that's why I wanted to see it do they everybody's They didn't bunt they're trying to hit the ball five, hundred feet. No matter who it is. They were lucky to win the first game I think because. Got bloop single by Geo. With to outscore the run and great and then today they loaded the bases and Gary Sanchez. Hit a batting practice batting practice pitch five, hundred feet batting practice pitcher that he got the the the jordy mercer non bunt drove meal. Little nuts. Sitting there like what are we doing here like I even if you're not gonNA. But if you're not to bunch already mercer who the Hell I definitely call them jody mercer because I feel like that's what it should be. I feel like Jodi Mercer when I see him, he's A. you know a a baseball tops baseball card from nineteen ninety-five. Well. I mean it's just not how the are built. it's it's not in their philosophy it's not heather bill. They refused to do it even when Jodi Jordy Mercer Excuse me Jordy Mercer is at the plate. Don't you sully his good? That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous I agree I agree but. That's how they operate He did get a knock later in the game to. Of course he did it set up the winning run. Not. The same situation though. Delegates is still still win in the Yankees ballgames and he still he still got velocity issues and now kind of like aknowledging that that's it like that's probably what it's going to be ninety four. So I guess this last time when he was with the Yankees when he couldn't get it ramped up again by saying the same dialogue same dialogue because he always does this spring training. He never got back up. That's a shame. It's a shame. It's a shame what happened to him and his honestly. Did be whips kill him. Said I was such a huge is awesome. Yeah. I thought he's just got a bad rap with the team. He was. He got he got screwed by the team for a while and then when he had the opportunity to like I'm a bona closer shit the bed completely shut the bed. Situation. Anything else baseball. Wise you WanNa talk about from from the weekend. I mean I really can't stress enough how huge those three wins were like to to really feel good about that weekend versus feeling terrible J. Half throw ninety four miles per hour. cording to era. That's a big difference between him. Throw Ninety, three, ninety, four, the different J. Ninety-three. Badger ninety-four good job so. So. Was the gone hot or was he? Figure out an arm slot is he pissed at Brian. Cashman for skin starts look what's going on with seventeen million dollars on the line. Talking motivate someone dangle. Seventy. Got Seventeen million dollars like waiting for him and and if he pitches well, he's a much better chance to get it. So yeah, I think he's he's he's doing that. And I look I always look at that guy and I still feel like at some point, he's going to figure it out because that's what he's done his entire career and the guys thirty eight years old still pitching in the bigs again with diminished velocity really or like there's no telltale sign why he's worst besides the fact that the ball now that was caught in the outfield is going out of the stadium. So that alone is the only difference in him and. I can only imagine how frustrating that is as a guy who has been really a very solid starting pitcher, his entire career so. I just I it feels like he's to figure it out and that type of pro. So. You know bodies not giving up on him. That's that's clear. We got a mailbag question from John M. As I watch boone manage and take another starter out at sixty seven pitches to have green come in and blow the game to the mets wonder what do you think about boone not having Larry Rothschild to lean on anymore Larry had managed before with the pitching coach for a while. This year boone does not have an experienced pitching coach. Does not have an experience pitching coach to truly manage on his own. And appears he has no he has no ability to manage a pitching staff. What are your thoughts? Do you think? Boone. Mrs. Larry there to aid in pitching decisions and I should proof read that paragraph. I think it's actually a pretty good point. The the fact that he doesn't have just that voice that that other decision maker who he knows has been there before to throw things against and just just run through scenarios in the same in the same way I I think it I think it is it is part of it. It's not it's not easy. Larry got shit all over but people were but that doesn't mean that that he wasn't counseled Tabun at that point I mean I think Phil Nevin is a guy that fills in that spot who's been around baseball forever and a day as well. But he's not the same he doesn't same experience by any means that Larry routes. Child was was a manager. And he was the holdover. So there was he was the only coaching hold holdover from the. The sites hockey in the bullpen, but but that's not all interaction hockey's. Hockey's great dude. Hockey's just out there Yuk ended up with the dudes in the bullpen. That's his term. So I think it is a valid point. You know just just based on experience because he's not looking at. Matthew Blaine or Mark Blake for any type of any type of guidance David lays looking magician. He's constantly in his in his notes like a nerd sitting there like looking at the numbers I thought you were on board with the nerd you're are so excited about map play in game is different. It's different. You gotta feeling game like he he he just doesn't have the same experience he really relies on the numbers limits. To what John is talking about pulling a starter after five innings or before the third time to the order is nothing new to map lake that's been happening with the Yankees for two years and he's the reason it's happening because the nerves telling you that there are no longer effective at that point. Okay. It doesn't cover like the same. Hey, met same. Today he's like, Oh like on the field. Out there sorrow bad Yeah. That's really sad if that's the actual case, I think it's part of the case. That'd be I, mean look he I know he's he's he's also more of a nerd in the mechanics as well, and the way that he uses all the technology to do that uses technology. The. I like I like how preparations are used and how and how the the cool nerds are are using those those types of analytics although I must say getting Gary Sanchez isn't even more trouble. For the way that we're he, he's being prepared being on one day like the dude can't handle it. You just can't handle it. You know. So you are. You're let's. Let's pause on this Gary Sanchez thing because. I saw you post in the the back and chat like your. You're your what is Gary Sanchez good for at this point he's just if he's not hitting and he's not catching the ball is just I mean yeah. No. I agree or not hitting you're not catching the ball playing defense. Actually. Stand because this is really getting fed up with it. I'm getting fed up with I'm but look at the so he's hitting. Let me just decorated Slam Grand Slam was great at one the game. Absolutely it means nothing to me in the grand scheme of the way he's playing because he's going to go another two weeks now and just strike out looking like an idiot in other situations where fastball is not coming at him as a known quantity he knew that ball was coming down the gut three times. Okay. He's hitting one, twenty, three it's it's truly atrocious. Okay. One Twenty is laughably bat but you've got Aaron. Hicks hitting two hundred. You've got Mike Ford hitting one eighty you've got Brett Gardner One, seventy, nine you've got Tyler Wade hitting one, seventy six so so it's not like Gary Sanchez the only one who's not hitting if everybody jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge would you jump? Does it make it a better decision at that point life? No, it doesn't. It's my. My point is is this Gary Sanchez? Or is this Gary Sanchez in a weird twenty twenty and things players around the league or not here's Okay I saw an article written by Chad Jennings in the athletic about how jd Martinez is just absolutely lost the videos you can't. He can't go back and watch videotapes. So yeah. Okay. But Jd Martinez is a great header has been a great hitter for a long time in the sucks I mean there's something that's changed for him and he's acknowledged it. May Gary Sanchez can't watch the replace. Here's what I here's my here's my take on. Gary Sanchez is an offensive player and I think this is. I I really think this is probably pretty accurate. When when when our lineup is healthy and Gary Sanchez in this lineup I think he has the ability to be good I think when more of the onus is on Gary Sanchez to carry the lineup and pitchers can now effectively pitch around him or not be pressed to throw him strikes on pitch on pitch counts where he knows strikes are coming. Then he is a very, very average batter when he doesn't know what's coming or can't. You know be sandwiched between two headers. He's a problem. Today was a similar situation of being sandwiched in between there were bases were loaded, ended the game. You got a scrub kit up there on a mets team. He's just coming onto this team is the last guy. You knew you were getting through fastball the at some point. All you to do is wait for them swung a missed the first one the ball foul back. Second one he fell off third one he got great. It's not going to be the situation when there's more onus on him, a pitcher could actually try to pitch around him and exposes week this he's getting exposed. I mean certainly been exposed all year but your argument doesn't make sense because the first three weeks of the season Aaron judge was there Lemay he was fully healthy stanton was there all those guys were there was there and Gary Sanchez says that he needs those guys to be good I'm not saying he can't suck with those guys there to say he needs those. So, he he is the epitome of what baseball is today it's he's going to have production numbers at the end of the year. The numbers last year were good. He had maybe numbers he had he did have protection there are there were guys around him that were playing out of their minds. I I just I need to see him. I need to see him act alone a little bit and and take it and be able to make strides consistent strides. It's frustrating when I see that the guys that you mentioned besides Hicks who is our center fielder or all platoon they are. They are role player guys they're not. Brand. Breath cars all this shit he's. One Oh. You're talking about the guy sitting under Tyler Wade, Mike Ford. These are guys that I don't expect a lot from I did expect more from Ford I will say but It makes more sense that they're struggling. Gary Sanchez the starting catcher supposed to be a stud and you just looks lost half the time and it's not just offensively he has looked. Tremendously, bad defensively this year. I mean absolutely back. Even though the framing numbers are better. Yeah, I agree. No, I'm not defending. Gary Sanchez do not mistake this for me. It's more to the point. I do have higher expectations for him. He's the starting catcher on this team should know you absolutely should have higher just he gives you in other situations. He gives you terrible at bats I mean the the in the first game of the doubleheader today there was a first pitch flyable. Center field had run around second base could have runner didn't put a good at bat together. It was just it was. He was out before he was and yet did not yeah and there are too many of those. Great. Problem I. I. Agree wholeheartedly. This year it's been it's been a disaster for Gary Sanchez. He has been the most disappointing player on the team so far this year and everything says he's healthy right there's nothing Just. Yeah. I mean, if you listen if there was one one percent wrong with Gary Sanchez, he'd be on the I l. rate and they have no catchers. Would love nothing more than to be able to put Gary Sanchez on the I l. for a hamstring injury, and they used that as an excuse for he's been struggling. So I mean, that's I got to a point of Ta- that fly ball was frustrating for me. I got you. A, there was another fastball in the dirt that he just doesn't move is fi movies body over to lock like there was some some pitches that were yanked at to get a shot at and he shouldn't have locked but. Kratz made a couple of good blocks on some Debbie Garcia curve balls today, and I'm like that. Those are those are at the backstop with Gary Sanchez Crashes Goddamn Professional. Even when Gary? Gets down and blocks. It's never square and it's always off to one side. So the rudders can still advance. Yeah. He's made up for it because of because of the arm and that's that's what he's He's he's been able to do. So Look I. Am not by any means giving up on him that's not that's not a but I it's frustrating to watch him. You're not far off. It's not far off but I know he's not going anywhere either so. You're right. All right. Well. WH- wacky weekend, that's all I can say it was a wacky weekend. I'm glad we got to see data that was a big positive. A big plus is that your biggest? J.. Knotted up when he needed to bottom line, he did. All jokes aside, let's he did in a big situation because they just got freaking swept by the Goddamn mets and a all this Chapman got beat and that was an Chad Greg walked off at Yankee Stadium. The mess. Walked off. I mean, how have you talked about twenty twenty freaking nutshell that is some weird shit. So you come back on a day when j hops. Pitching easily could go out there. Put up a files were every Yankees fan is fully expecting to just get. The crap beaten out of them on Saturday except for me I was not expecting expecting to get I wasn't expecting what I saw. I was expecting a good start I was expecting some depth and I had a feeling that they were going to go with them a little longer because of that because he's he's a guy who's going to handle it if he's going well. Let's put it this way the biggest. Takeaway or the biggest thing to come out of the weekend might BJ HAP and it's because he might he could shift the tide for the starting rotation to sort of bridge the gap until some some guys get healthier and also it could have really big impacts on twenty twenty one but the biggest exciting thing to have in this weekend was you some people will say the Gary Sanchez Grand Slam because they will be blind to everything else and they will just see that and that's fine. They will not look at the ninety one mile an hour fastball down the middle. Or would being the third one of the I can't stress that enough the. Even in the moment it was so like okay like literally every Major League hitter could have had that out and probably would've done on the second one but. They wouldn't have hit four, fifty, four, fifty glut it would have gone on to the Ballpark Hey, three fifty counts just the same return Herod Heck knows that three zero, three, nine yeah aired Hicks Pimp. That at one foot over the fence I mean come on. So it's either a single or a home run. So he's on I either way it's like it's that he ain't going anywhere if that ball bounces off the wall. But yeah. Fun Exciting Kid. Maybe that's how he hurt both happens possible He's fun. It's he's he's He's a he's really a fun kid to watch. So I hope we get to see him for the rest of the year I. Really Do really really hope they do not end up sending him back down because it would be it would be a damn shame and honestly like you're saying they're if they're if they're trying to put the best people out there. You you play with your young guys right now the guys are where this game is going. They can't look fans in the is they can't. They don't have to say our best option right now for the next turn is not difficulty you just pick six be beautiful in it. Yeah. Yeah. They don't have anybody in the that's the thing like they got. It's easy easy to do now easy easy to do zoom rooms. And Kohl's pitching Monday against. Tampa looking for a rebound start after he give. To to Atlanta it's versus glass down I. Mean I I know it. Again. It's going to be even though now offense is dog shit and is probably. Could be a frigging, very tough match-up against now. Listen like even if the Yankees don't care if they don't win the division, you still want them to play better against Sherpa. Because if they have to face Tampa in the playoffs, they've gotten the crappy not of him so far. So play well against Tampa this week. That's what I asked for. I need to fight man give me some fight scratching claw a couple of games. Let's get this mentality backup people don't WanNa relive the past about like the next Man Shit I worked they. They all got behind it. They need something to get behind. So you know maybe that's Erik Kratz. Headband he wears under his helmet. Whether board I don't care what it is. They need something to get behind and rallied these. These guys income out there especially. How can you? How can you look if you needed another situation besides Garrett Cole Against Glass? Now. Against the race who are above you in the division now. What you get you up. It's a it's not upstart for called the it's for for the offense moreover, because I expected from coal I expect colby out there a professional and and will give us a damn good outing I. fully expect that it's about the offense coming in putting the at bats against glass now and actually getting to him and being able to push across a few runs and give Gerke coal and the opportunity when the game. I feel a little upset that it took us an hour to mention that Dj. Lemay. Hookah. Back. Ahead of schedule. Do I barely even realize that he was gone because he's just always there I forgot Oh, I realized he was on the field, but my point is he's back. You're like Oh. Yeah he's there he's always. And I did that happen on Thursday? That, happened after we recorded I think that I feel like we knew it what. Happened on. The No. No. So Friday he didn't play. He was activated on Saturday. Fridays when They teased it. He could be back this weekend and then boom Saturday morning lineup. I love it I mean. So they are three with him back. That's what happened. He. Goes back in the lineup and they don't lose. Okay. Very, very true. Extend that man right now. Test is nervous stj. WHO's good. Completely, overlooked the biggest thing of the deal being back. US All, right? That's GonNa do it for this owed some robot questions submit for test versus Nerd test didn't really do a full one this this show, but we'll do it on Thursday. Big Big Week of baseball again considering there's no off days for the rest of the year pretty much any let's got beat Tampa beat Tampa just. Tap when the frigging division stupid frigging Tampa. One. Hey, guys thanks for listening to the Bronx Pincer. Show. Make. Sure. 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Tigers Offseason Special 2019-20 Edition with Brandon Day from Bless You Boys

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Tigers Offseason Special 2019-20 Edition with Brandon Day from Bless You Boys

"Brennan of bless you boys joins us to talk to the Detroit Tigers. We talk about the fact that everybody in the two thousand fourteen rotations a world series. Now we talk about the farm system we talk about the current team does Karen everybody etc.. We hope you enjoy welcome to painting corners. Here's your weekly gas or all things baseball. Now here are your host Austin Hartsfield and Dave could count scheme. It wouldn't be tigers podcast if we didn't start out with the probably the biggest tiger lead of the entire off seasons of our Brennan. How's that are you? At the fact that every single person in the Tigers rotation has a world series ring now I would have been really sad if he told me kind of back in the day but as it happens like at this point you know I'm jaded and depressed and actually usually rooting for those guys to get the rings as Bentley. Only fun part of the fast for years. The only really fun part. So I'm not I've not the one to be too bitter about it. It would really suck it like you know some of these guys. If Justin Berliner had been stuck here this career number one a ring I would hate it that all right with it I you know. Maybe I'm just getting old and I've been in writing about baseball too long but I start to root for players as much as teams and all those guys are good guys It was it was cool to see Anibal Sanchez. Especially after kind of now. Look at my career was going to be over although yes of course it is also an indictment of the Tigers coaching staff. He's a weird one too because he kind of had like a revitalization finalisation with the braves last year. And then he gets this chance. Yep He's one of those guys who just Kinda got caught by the homerun revolution. You know he was a big sinker ball guy. sinker slider die and As he lost last city he just had to nibble too much to survive. Because all these guys are just going down in golf in the ball out on him and yeah the Tigers. Just couldn't figure it out I I wrote about it may deter sinker us before seamer and he did that and kind of developed the cutter as well which is the other part that helped him because his slider was just was just not working out for him anymore either so he you know he got in shape again and changes picnics. And not and that worked out but yeah it's it's frustrating as hell when someone is you know I mean I'm okay. Hey at this but like you know when you can look at and be like maybe he should stop throwing the pitch. Because it's getting killed. Anybody ever suggests this to the Guy I don't explain me. Why on his modern hall of fame invalid? Why Lou Whitaker should be healthier? I think the I mean the most basic reason is that if you look at his career war rankings just to put it in simple war terms. He he definitely belongs in there. You know that there are three or four Career second basement. Who are in the hall of fame who are below him in terms of career war? I think there's a pretty good argument. He made that he was a more valuable player. Alan Trammell was and kept his value deeper into his career Lou Whitaker always had a little bit more power on he he was sort of like to. I don't even know who I compare Alan Trammell too. 'cause they don't travel with smooth but Louisville was one of those those players who just made it looked really easy on a never really never really said much wasn't a guy who would talk to the media very much and you know his teammates. I think Canada's took that the heart and you know I'm just Kinda it stood in for him whenever that was required and yeah I mean he was just used as an all around fantastic player. Did everything well and did it. All for a really long time time like I wouldn't put him in the top fifty greatest players of all time I wouldn't say that we've been you know like feeling like it's super egregious wrong but he definitely belongs in there and I think you know he in Trammell together are pretty historic double-play combination. Like maybe the best ever. Certainly the you know the combination that did it best the longest And we're such a huge part of that eighty four team and the you know they're just an iconic payer and I remember even as a kid like looking over at like like Ryan Sambergen comparing statistics and stuff like that and you know Luebecker matched up with him and beat him. You know a lot of years so it was kind of it was kind of always in our mind that You Know He. He's a guy who should get in trammelled finally got in You know I don't think a lot of necessarily thought that was all going to happen once. Trammell and and Morris got in there that was sort of the push obviously ellen trammell in his In his speech and all that and throughout the whole year long festivity of getting inducted really really made the push and I I think in the end that's going to debt created a little bit of publicity that Lou witter liquor would never generate himself just because he's just a very retiring kind of quiet ma'am him and Yeah so I I think it's I feel pretty Catherine it's going to happen and I think honestly if you look at the if you just break down the career numbers it's it's he's not right like you know. Yeah like I said. He's not like an absolute lack but compared to a lot of other guys who were in there. He's he's definitely a guy who belongs pretty. Obviously so I think he's I. I think he's got a really good shot. I'm I'm expecting us and I probably shouldn't but I got about all right so brandon take us through this season. I know we talked about this. Pre show show the Tigers finished forty eight in one hundred and fourteen Alessio Orioles. Why seven games take us through the pain of Tiger Span During a season like this. Yeah I mean I think we're all start it helps to remember now that it's The Tigers are five seasons now for making the playoffs And I think because you know they retooled and kind of wet for it again in two thousand sixteen. I'm an an and did a few. I mean if you're going to go forward again in that situation you're GonNa do some things that look long-term foolish. They really kind of outdid themselves. While Mike Illitch was alive and as a result you know it kind of kept US hanging on. I think longer longer we had to like. I think we're really only like two years into the fan base. Really like especially like the the the kind of more casual fan really kind of absorbing and coming coming to terms with the fact that we're just not you know we're not going to get any more and are a long way from being good again so I think it took some time and I really think like this preseason was win you know heading into spring training when people were were looking for those optimistic takes hung from the beat writers and everywhere and not finding them at all anywhere where it all SORTA. They hit the fan base. That like. There's no reason to have you know. have any real expectations for the season. And you're just hoping that they do well in the draft and committee developed a few people at the major angelique level and and on the farm and I mean my my fundamental impression of this season is just how boring it was. It was just really boring. You know it was really hard to cover. It was at that thing where you have like one or two guys who are playing great you know and everybody else is just kinda sucking it up. It was you. You Know Matt Boyd. Kind of had his. You know first. Half breakout and then faded Spencer terminal you know Kinda came on but you know other than that. There just really wasn't even anything to hang our hat on Shane. Green had a great season as closer. I'm in the first half. We actually did have some some save opportunities and he was able to convert all of them all the way up. I think other than one up until the time he was traded so it was such a binary sort of thing which we're like. You know one engaged for series. The Tigers of the inland in the series are in the game. I mean and probably would pull it out if they had the lead because they had that going on and the rest of the time. There wasn't really anything to really pay attention to There just wasn't that much to watch you know there weren't too many Prospects called up. Obviously our top prospects are still you know they had twenty twenty at some point. I think a lot of them will be up next season but we didn't believe have too many really interesting guys up this season until you got August and September so I mean it was a slog. The Tigers had this knack for coming out like the first two weeks of the season and winning a whole bunch of games and getting people excited and the candidate that but this this season it faded faster than it has an seasons passed in the park was pretty empty. most of the season season. So it's you know it's just been grim. It was just a really long long season. That didn't even really have the up and downs to sort of toy with your emotions. It was just sort of like yeah. Well there's nothing on TV so let's watch for a lot of the season for those of us covering it and wants to hear me complain about it but yet it's just You know a lot of us at the site and other people I talked to. Who Do Tigers podcast right about the Tigers on other formats? You know we would all be pretty excited you you know to to be in an actual rebuild where it felt like the front office had a strategy Heads had some things that was working on was aggressively pursuing players that they liked even if they were wrong. But it's just been really passive As compared to you know people always want to drag it back to all the astros rebuild or the cubs rebuild and. It's so far divorced. From both the circumstances though to those two teams went through and just in time that yeah. It hasn't even really been that exciting like where I am hoping that next year with them. Casey is Matt Manning. Some of those guys getting in close proximity to the to the majors. That will finally at least have that that stuff to kind of Sink our teeth into because I covered the minor leagues for the for bless. You boys pretty much all season long and that was just way more way. More compelling way more interesting Ben than having to write about the Tigers at all so let's let's go ahead and jump into the positional situations. Give me one word to describe the Tigers correct catching situation and why replacement it level shelter. Sarah's Jake Raj by the way high school where actually live. Oh all right. Yeah I mean I I like Jake Rogers. I think he's he's going to need more time to hit on. He's got a lot of swing and his game and he does have some some swing flaws He's an interesting case because he coming from the Astros he had sort of like the type of modern approach or at least a Homerun era approach. That we've been kind of screaming at the Tigers for being like the the complete antithesis of you know we're still in Lloyd. mcclendon attend mcclendon lane where you know they want you to play pepper. They want you to use the whole field. They WANNA see line drives. They don't WanNa see you guys. Lean back and trying to pull pull the ball on the air and Jack Rogers came to us with that approach and so maybe and probably had is one of those guys that may be too much of that approach a little bit So baby he's a guy that they can actually improve without like totally revamping the player development system as I as I kind of wish they would do so jake. Rogers is pretty. Get behind the plate. You know there were some flaws. Though on he had quite a few pass balls this year overall both in the minors and the majors has always been regarded as a really good thrower. Really Good Framer We saw the throwing some of the other elements to his catching behind. The plate weren't so great But of course you know when a catcher gets it's called up there's kind of a whole learning curve honestly in front of them especially if your farm system doesn't prepare you well and that's you know that's kind of an ongoing theme that a lot of guys you know what they come to. They show up to the Tigers for the first call up for Stan and you can almost guarantee that within the first week. There's going to be some some comment from Ron Gardenhire about you know. Well you know we'd like to see guys play a certain way we need to see the fundamentals. Be More sound than this. You know Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and. That goes with an end but no one ever seems to get to the point of A. Why aren't they picking up all the fundamentals in the farm system like why? Why do they get here? You have to you know. Teach them to but they. Yeah just like you know. Kennedy's fundamental fundamental mistakes. Get made so. This is all a long winded way of saying that I still think Jack Rogers Has a decent chance is to be a solid starting catcher but none of us really ever thought he was going to be. You Know Adly rush obviously or even joey bar necessarily so that that's a position that I would really like to see the Tigers address this off season in free agency It showed up. I think in terms of like the pitching staff and who we ahead you know having good seasons that we were able to trade away for prospects which is theoretically the program that we should be at right now but you know we had like John Hicks. Who really really isn't even a catcher Played catcher part time. They went into the season with him. Rookie completely unheralded rookie in Grayson Greiner. Who Most of us didn't really you ever think would even be a major league back up and that was that was the starting tandem and you know it doesn't matter from from a win perspective but it also matters from a development my perspective? And if you're hurting that Boyd's value behind the plate or you're hurting Daniel Norris's attempts to make a comeback or Spencer. Terrible coming in as a rookie You know you're hurting the rebuild not dislike. Well he caused us this game or reminded cost us that game It's fundamental issue throughout the whole organization when you don't have solid catching and there's just happens to be Let's see let me just take a quick look here because there is a whole bunch of Good free Good solid free. Agent catchers that would be upgraded here from Jayson Castro on picking up a guy like Ravi Torino's Swedish saw Alex Visa's GonNa stay in Arizona but that was another idea like someone who could place them. I betas someone who actually has some plate discipline Someone who we picked up for a half year in twenty seventeen and he had like the best first half of his is his career and got us a nice prospect return John Gomez Martinez Maldonado. All these guys are available so that would be like front and center on my shopping. The the off season so I know where I I. Based let's touch on Miguel Cabrera for a second overall. I mean considering. All all the circumstances he's he had a decent season he's been just battling third Because I am sorry I gotta ask No. No no no I was. I was is getting around to the same thing. Yeah you know I honestly the power numbers are probably You know this is probably how it is. What's weird about me? Go Cabrera is that he still hits the ball really hard he still looks like Miguel Cabrera except for the fact that he just he can't drive off that back leg anymore and it's all because That right knee is pretty much bone on bone for most of the reports. I've read and there isn't a whole lot. You can do to fix that. You know he went into this offseason talking about diet nutrition nutrition and maybe it was time to really really aggressive With the Diet. But it's just really hard like what you get to that point. It's really hard to. It's hard to lose wait To take the pressure off that knee because the pressure's already on that knee and you're in a lot of pain all the time. And he still got fantastic hands He's one of the smarter cities I've ever seen. And he will absolutely smoke some hard ground balls all over the all over the Infield but he does and this is. This is kind of going back three or four years. I remember like maybe Twenty fifteen or twenty. Sixteen I was I was right in preseason that you know his his average velocity was still you know I in the game at that point He's still had more barrels. You know than than just about anybody in the game then but he wasn't hitting as many fly balls and debt has turned out to be the precursor to him. You know just more and more not really being able to lift the ball park you know you have to pull it for the most part like McGaw Cabrera Jd. Lemur Tina's like those guys can go deep to center almost almost at will and when they were both going good back in the day it was incredible to watch some of the just the monster shots. Those guys would hit But you know he's got a he's got to figure out a way to lift the ball in the air and pull it and all of that. Is You know pretty much undone by that right knee so you know. Maybe there's something that can be done but Short of him like you know going crazy Vegan. I'll off-season somehow losing like twenty five thirty pounds. I just have have a hard time. I mean this happens with every player coming into straight and you know in the best shape of their life and we've had plenty of those stories from Miguel of the past couple of years and I'm sure he you know he puts in the work in the off season. You know the way most players do but he's just at a point in his career where there's so much more required and I think that you know the ship is just kind of sale Him having the the physicality laugh to even be able to get himself in better shape from their self yet. It's not good on that score. You know. Obviously we're still paying in a thirty two million a year for another. I think five five seasons on that mistaken by four seasons with an option after that. So yeah I mean it's it's Kinda over like we've already had like the two or three seasons of sort of waiting for the you know the late period revival where he has a year or two where he looks like an old his old salt. I'm I'm afraid that this isn't going to happen but you know we talked about this before you know like you would expect it. He can go he can still go to a place like New York you know. If the Yankees wanted them sort sort of a part time the age you would think he would still be able to go go to a place like that and hit you. Twenty five. Thirty home runs based on his strikeout-to-walk ratio. How hard he hits the ball? But it's just he just cannot disconnect lifted disconnect catch balls out front and drive them in the air anymore. And there there's this really kind of no remedy for any of that Fred. Going to the real first baseman for the Tigers Brandon. Dixon are you are you at what what are your. What are your thoughts on him? If Brennan Dixon was twenty twenty five I would be interested. It's just that I think he's going into his age. Twenty eight season He doesn't walk. He's not patient he does have pretty pretty a big time power and if you watch a little bit mechanical but he actually does have like a pretty nice. You know At least at least pleasing to the eye swing swing You Know He. He's a guy who can definitely drive the ball and he just doesn't selected pitches and I. It's hard for me to to look at him and and and see a real major leaguer there you know. He's he's sort of a guy who maybe you would have now that we have twenty six spots You know maybe he's the guy you put on the bench and he would play part-time pinch hit against lefties as late gains that kind of a thing but yeah he's He's definitely not a long-term answer. And I really you know. I've just had a point where I would like to get most of these guys and just just move them off because the Tigers are in bad enough shape where you know the the leavings of a lot of the better teams are way better than than anything. We've we've got at most of these positions uh-huh and rain Dixon and try them but I don't really see any any long-term viability there. He's got some power. He's like a nice bat to have on the bench. You know that kind of thing but yeah not selective enough. Do you think the worst button baseball right now. Just in terms of farm roster everything as a whole. Yeah I do I really do. I mean you could still argue that the illitch family you know if things start to turn around is more likely than plenty of other owners to spend but but even that I think is under question at this point They now and Chris Illitch. Is the team president. They they don't seem real interested Or real engage like when when they give commented. It's really the most you know kind of surface crap possible and they've cut payroll. I think doc ID twenty seventeen. We started out the year at like two hundred ten million and I think we're projected ninety million ongoing this season so they've absolutely slashed all that I You know we've got two big contracts left to go cabrera adding into Jordan Zimmerman's final year after that. I think they will probably spend some money. But I don't think we're ever going to see the the one hundred and eighty million plus Kind of no matter what happens. And there's a a strong prevailing sentiment I think that The Crystal would and most of his siblings would like to sell the team At this point you know. They paid like his dad paid. Eighty two million court back in like ninety one ninety two and you know I mean they could probably get one point two billion now so I can understand why to walk away and And I think most of us would like them to sell the team at this point to someone who's a little a bit more engaged because yeah they seem really pretty much hands off like Hey al Avila whatever you do is fine. And we don't really care what happens will come out there once or twice a year give give the spiel about you know the rebuilding effort and the prospect and Blah Blah Blah. But yeah there just doesn't seem to be a whole lot of urgency there at all Really no expectations of any and he sort that anyone could discern last thing before we move on a second base. Is there any long-term solutions in the system at all adversities. There isn't one that I would say is any anything approaching like a fifty fifty shot. I think a lot of us. Think that Kristen Stewart who the Tigers had left field the season season. You know. Hit his way through the minors really. Well has power a good hitter but a terrible terrible like delmon young esque leftfielder might end ended up moving to first base Jamar candelaria unfortunately has been a disappointment like he He's the guy who looked really history when we first got him and is actually seemed to regress. He's had a Hamate bone issue in. I can't remember which risk but one of his wrists. That's that's something they can't really repair. And that's always is linked in the background. Like maybe this you know. He's just not a guy who's who's going to be able to You know putting enough work to get better you know simply based on that alone so yeah. I don't really think there is much of a of an answer. This guy that we drafted this year. I think in the sixth round of Bryant Packer who some of us like you know. He six rounder. You're you're you're not expecting a whole lot but But he's got power and discipline Some decent hands. He's a guy who maybe could come along and play first base for you but right now there really isn't there really isn't solution and when we were talking about Shane. Green Trades at the deadline and talking about the red sox. You know that that was one of the reasons that you know Trista cash is kept coming up because we you know. We don't really have anything that that excites over here on that score of so you know there may be. I don't really honestly I for space is one of the last positions. You necessarily need to worry about but Yeah I don't really see us I'm racking my brain throughout the minor leagues exit. Think of anyone who might even be a long shot to play that position in the future. I don't really think we have anything like that. Or just gotTa take on Spencer Torkelsson you know with the first overall. We're all pick next year. That's the point right now. Let's go to a position that makes me sad because I asked you this question last year and I have to ask you this question again. This year please tell me Clinton is going to baseball cody. Clemens is good at baseball dude like like anybody who makes it to the AA levels. Great Baseball laking credible baseball. A top. Like what's wrong with the fact that he doesn't have a position would I'll say this recorded comments. He's he's not one of the guys who have like others. There's just no chance His swing is just long. There's there's too much swing and Miss Castle a still in his game and he doesn't complement it with enough other tools you know. He doesn't really have much in the way as speed. He's an okay defender. But he doesn't Doesn't have much much of an arm so he can't really even play like recant. Really project them to right field if the bat did come along. Yeah I mean he's a guy who's who's just got a very narrow path after the major leagues and it's got some you know he's got decent plate discipline and he definitely has some some good raw power but it's sort of a clunky kind of mechanical swing Without really great You know contact ability. He just doesn't have the hands to get to to get the pitches away from him. He's still got a whole will for sliders down in in that you know standard for prospects in general but looks a lot further from from being solved that would be. I think that he might figure it. Out But You know in the tiger system went. He's probably like my maybe third or now like fourth or fifth ranked resist position player. And this is how talking about him. which tells you that the Tigers position players on the farm? It's not there's not a whole lot there but I haven't given up uncoded clemens but I think like by the end of next year. We'll know like you know he. He looked all right. He didn't look totally overmatched. Aa only got in maybe a week or two you up there. So he'll be at W I think most of the season and By the next season will know. It'd be nice if it worked out if he can shorten things up. Get a little little bit stronger a little bit quicker with the bet. There's still a chance I'll say that much more excited. You said there's still a chance in like em like the little longhorn inside. My heart was like yes. That's good tell me a chance. Yes let's go I. I'm I'm down hooked horns. It'd be like the most successful loan for to the major leagues right now outside of Brandon Bell relic which is. Oh yeah thanks. Very Sad Yeah yeah that's great You know let's go ahead and talk about the rest this is this. Is this the year and we just got AA this year. Do we see as the major league level this year. Yes yes and if we don't I'm GonNa frigging riot relieving what they're waiting for now You know if it was me I'd Cana just be ready to pencil in at the third base start the season and you know maybe like if they want a game and you know wait forty games then and then bring 'em up do that kind of thing That that that would be kind of what I'm aiming for I think I kind of feel like Isaac Parade. He's honestly just needs to be challenged a little bit more He didn't hip for a ton of power this year. But he's just such a God damn good hitter He's just a pure contact hitter. You know Draws as many walks as yes he does strike out hits the ball hard lot. The Tigers kind of had him. You know working on unsparing the ball to right field and trying to use the whole field which is sort of their you know their sorta the operating philosophy and he struggled a little bit. You know the first couple months of the season and people were kind of worrying about that but it just felt like they were. They were trying to get him to adopt that approach. Approach a little bit not open up on his hips quite so early in his swing. I'm scandal online a little bit longer and as progress. You know it. It was just it. It was Isaac again. You know just to smoke in the baseball hard all over the place He's still got some adjustments to make. I mean you don't necessarily need rush him I I'm perfectly fine. If the Tigers eggers decide they want to keep them in Toledo until September. I won't be be thrilled about it. Because we'RE GONNA BE PLAYING HOT garbage at a couple of positions but now how is afraid. He's one of the guys who I am. Still very confident is going to hit and is going to develop power more of power approach as he matures a little. But he's still a little. I think twenty one right now. Although you know you never know never know about each for sure with the international guys He's a big boy But he's you know he's man sized already. It doesn't look like there's that much more he's going to learn in the minor leagues and I really would have wished the Tigers had brought them up to Toledo later. Let late this past season. I've just to kind of get them acclimated to the major league ball To See if the ball started flying out for him if he would be a little bit more aggressive arrested about trying to take pitches early accounts and pull the thing out of the park Disarm flying out like that but you know in their wisdom. They didn't they didn't do that. So that's fine wind and waiting for that weird twist and it's going to happen when the bald kind of happened. This postseason the rumblings of air already that like the balls this it can be completely different next year. And all these switch it back. Just like everybody's always GonNa notice before you just flying out everywhere. In Benton to twenty again they're gonNA accidentally only switched the balls the wrong way and make them more flyable and dynamics I literally just saw a tweet from Minor League Baseball Baseball where they were talking about how the Chinese tariff's GonNa increase the price of a batch of twelve balls by fifty six dollars. I think in the next season I didn't even know Rawlings was making the balls in China. I thought they were still being hand-stitched and the Dominican by you know people who give a damn about I don't know I don't know what's going going on. They'd be begging fans to throw the balls back. Yeah exactly we're GONNA cry all my guy. Can you imagine if they would actually let they ran. I am low on balls in some wild shit into this. You know this is kind of a plug and play as like the base of a something that we talked about last year is GonNa be the case again this year or do you think they give somebody else a shake. You know you played Harrison there. He played Beckham there a little bit this year. What does it look like this year? Yeah I mean I. I'm kind of hoping they can find someone halfway interesting to claim you know just like because I have broad whole now some. Hopefully someone younger gets released. You know I mean then might even be a place where they could use the rule five. Pick to find like a guy who plays good defense and Canal. Hasn't figured it out yet. I just wanted to get some young guys and try them. Try something Despite by conviction that does not get a player development so you know they can play Nico Good Room. They're nickel was an above average shortstop. Who can actually hit? And the Tigers didn't didn't stick with them. As soon as George Mercer came back they played Jordy Mercer Mercer shortstop. The tech moving Nick Goodwin played like Centerfield bright field field first base. They had them all over the place but I think he I want to say. He played about forty games at shortstop and posted in above average the arrest and I wouldn't hang my head on I mean Nico is like a nice player. Who has a lot of tools in maybe has a bit of a Got Whom I think of the The twin site last year he played for the Astros. Mr Versus Super Has Yeah. I could see you know a little bit of that kind of career for Nico Gooderham. Perhaps paps but he is twenty seven dollars so I I don't know if there's much more development there for him either but you know he can run. He still some bases. He's got really pretty good power patient at the plate. He Hits a tunnel drives US actually pretty unlucky this year. I'm considering the line drive rate. He put up almost thirty percent He was smoking the ball all on especially in the first half and just kinda battle like a hamstring and growing cat combo meal on in the second half and wasn't around very much so he's an offer me he's part of the the middle infield equation for us next year. But yeah I mean it's just really hard to tell like the Tigers. Have these notions. That don't really seem to match up to reality. You know from outside and that's fine you know if the right but I haven't really seen much much evidence of them being you know more able to predict predict what's going to happen than the rest of us you know public analysts just looking at the stats are watching guys. Play are able to figure out so yeah. I don't really really know what I think. The Tigers are going to do in the middle. Infield is if we wanted to take it cannabis as both positions of this is kind of a black hole right now like Willie Castro who he got four Leonis Martine in two thousand seventeen You know a decent young hitter late kind of a smallish guy who probably isn't hip for that much power but you know the the word on him when we got him is that he was a pretty solid defender that he was going to be major league. Ready defensively at shortstop and you you know pretty soon and he was he was got off last year honestly defensively and a lot of it seemed like mental mistakes like the the fiscal bills. Were still there You know he's still got a a strong accurate arm has Hanson looked but he just he just seems to fall asleep out there sometimes and at yeah I mean seeing him in September I really. I didn't think anything other than like. Yeah he's got a he's got to play shortstop at Toledo next year and work on some of this And I don't know I mean this kind of ties into it Just just to keep noting toward the player development side the Tigers fired their AAA manager. Doug Banquets after one year after signing him to a two year contract contract and I don't know there's a lot of debate about like why. Why they they change directions? They are a couple of the guys like I said like Rogers came up. You Know Castro came up and they end. They just weren't fundamentally sound defensively that like they just looked Sloppy and a little bit mentally overmatched. And so maybe they took that out on Doug Mankiewicz but it also. There's also the perspective that a lot of people who are can insiders have which is that Doug Mankiewicz is just not a guy who's GonNa Bullshit you about like how good your prospects are. And how good everybody's doing you know. He's he's going to tell people you know pretty much straight up. What he thinks and the Tigers are very much in pr mode right now? Because they don't have a whole lot else to offer and I don't think they like that and you know Doug Mankiewicz is kind of an old school guy like you know. He's he's not someone out there You know in the cage studying. Everybody's blache motion data analytics. I don't really imagine but But you know that there is something to say for that you know that kind of final boss before you get to the the major leagues who is really hard on you in forcing you to clean up all the details the little things and that was kind of what he was supposed to be here to do and it seemed like that was what he was trying to do. And it may not have gone that while but Yeah it was a surprise that the Tigers I decided to to fire him and they don't seem to have anyone internal that they want so maybe it was just the fact that so many guys got fired. So many managers and coaches got fired As soon as the season ended that they just feel like there's there's some opportunities out there to pick guard as replacement. I am all for hiring Gabe Kappler installing him as AAA manager and then putting him in charge of the entire player development system. That would you like pay him like ten billion dollars. Whatever it takes to get them to do that for us for two years revamp revamp this whole thing and let's go But to bring it all the way back to the middle. Infield heggers have kept playing Isaac Frady's at shortstop and he played shortstop in the Arizona. Fall at is pretty has good hands. Looks very very comfortable at either shortstop or third base. I'm really strong accurate arm. But he just doesn't really have the range that that you would like to see to play shortstop and so everyone's always assumed he was going to move. But when you look at the way the game is trending and the fact that you know there's less ground balls You know the shift is sort of you know trimming away a little bit at the need to have like super great range out there you know. Maybe maybe they could try to fudge that for a couple years Johnny Peralta every range and really have that good of an arm either but he was just fundamentally sound enough and had the bat and it you know and it made the rest of it moot so they could try that too but if it was me I would just play nickel Gooderham. shortstop do whatever you gotTa do at Third Base until you're convinced that is a craze can come up and play third and then yeah they've probably got find someone to play some Middle Infield and hopefully someone who is released and there's a little bit younger on there just. Isn't that much point to me to having. It's an bringing back. George Mercer or Josh Harrison. I if they think there's some value in the room by having one of those guys there that's fine but I I would rather than try to take a flyer on someone young. I want suggested that I my podcast. Co host has brought up as we could just take up someone like Jason Kipness or as Drubel. I Guess Asdrubal Cabrera one of those guys if they wanted to just to fill in the gaps. But yeah I mean. I'd just rather trying to find like a like a shortstop who has failed looking like that. Maybe Chris owings. I don't know we could plug Chris eggs in there. We had Gordon Beckham this year. Could that'd be any worse I've I've seen I've seen things. You don't believe over there in Boston Brandon moving to the hot corner. You touched on a little bit. What's going to happen at three? I mean you got Lugo go and Castro. What's I mean? What's your outlook for that position? The Tigers are gonNA play Dowa Lugo because they a wasted JD Martinez in trade. and W goes the only semblance of a of a of a real player that they got out of the deal and and he's terrible and they're going to waste time with them Probably for four months. I guess this this season you know that will lugos like a solid defender under. He's got good hands. He's sort of like a like like hell to describe what kind of a history is like. He has good hands. He doesn't strike out very much on swings at everything. If he if wholesale to like sucked you know just didn't have any you know command over the bat and You know could just flip the ban on the ball like just had. I'd like the hand eye to put the battle in the ball could drive it anywhere. Couldn't take any pitches that will go the whole way up through the minors is just like the master of the scorched ground ball. Double Down the line that that sort of his. That's his trademark that's that's the that's the big show. He's a weird guy you know he he has a really Liam. It's hard to explain like just invoice with images is a really rotational. Swing is how I would describe it. he doesn't like drive toward the pitcher so much as he just sort of like spins his hips and and slaps ball hard on the ground and swings. Like a door doesn't swing league. That's a great. Yes that's perfect. He does swing. And you're Kinda guy who he was with a different team. That was a little bit better for it at hitting instruction like if he put on the Yankees I I could see them maybe cleaning up and you know and driving the ball a little bit more in the air. He's probably got fifty five raw power like fifty fifty hit tool but the but the power does never comes because everything is on the ground. So yeah I don't know they're gonNA waste our time with him. I'm sure for a while and there's enough potential there it's like it's not impossible that he could figure it out but it's possible that the Tigers are going to help them figure out. I would put it so yeah I think he's GonNa play about two third base and at some point. Hopefully Tigers will kind of get over that and and just plug. Isaac parades in there but I I expect to have to put up with a with a few months of fulltime dot will Lugo and the you know the people cheering on his every halfway decent moment. God I can feel I can feel already got Birdie inventing the twenty twenty season right now but yeah I mean. There's this kind of how it is. He was the only guy that was that was relieving like a forty five future value. Type Guy that they've got for jd Martinez and so the you know the discounting is going to do their thing and run them out there until we're fed up with it so does Sergio Qatar make any appearance at all. The thing earn. Where does he wound up position wise in the future I mean it's it's not impossible? He might make an appearance but really he's. He's a defensive replacement type guy he is a really pretty good defender of. He's got a fantastic arm is twenty car looks great. Yeah Ah I mean. But that's you know like He. He's a he's a guy who's GonNa play some pepper you know. He's kind of ease another one. Who Sort of Jose glitziest type with less power? But maybe maybe slightly more disciplined so. Yeah I mean that doesn't really anything mayor to look forward to. I'm afraid either. The is a really slick defender. He's like he's a fun player. Watch if you watch minor league ball but yeah. I don't really see him ever having the bats feed to handle the major leagues at all. So yeah he's he's probably a non factor too. I'm afraid ton is is pretty far away too so that'll be a while at that position. I mean is there anybody else in the system. You're kind of excited about as far as enfield guys. Yeah I'll say this I mean I kinda I kinda interested to see what he does. Next year. I liked Andre Lipsius. The the Tigers third round pick like he's he was kind of an. I think he was a four year junior But I think he wasn't. He majored in like nuclear physics. Or something like that. Like a really smart guy who was who had the academic side and probably will go on to to do something in that when when his baseball career is over. But he's a guy who's a pretty solid defender under he's scrappy. He's obviously smart like He. The games I saw him play for the West Michigan whitecaps at the class level. Like he looked like the smartest hitter on on the field for the most part so but again he's he's a guy who's got a small that really bill doesn't really seem to have that much power. He's a guy who I I wanna see now that he's committed to baseball fulltime like what comes out looking like physically next year at an and sort of what he can do in his in his first season. Listen and after. That will probably have a better idea like I don't. I don't necessarily expect a whole lot from him but he does have plate discipline. which is the thing that the Tigers really struggled the draft You know guys who even have have you know the I two ever develop like the. They're just really bad at finding that the Tigers guys who swing at everything and he can put the bat on the ball and they've never really shown much propensity for being able to sort of you know. Teach guys how to how to turn that into you know becoming an actual hitter with with some plait disciplined selectivity. I'd religious might be the guy who can sort of figure some of those things out by himself but he's another one you know he's got a pretty Hansie Swing It's it's not real. Pretty he sort of just you know can kinda gets by being ahead of the game on a lot of people and as the stuff gets better he's GonNa have to get a lot better physically and We'll have to see how it kind of goes in his in his first full season next year. But he's you know he's someone who at least be paying a lot of attention to but yeah. Yeah I mean yeah. infield is is really really weak basically every every position every you know every position on the field is is kind of it kind of up for grabs right now. There's really nobody has a lock on anything You know long term at all but we have a lot of pitching guys. Okay so jumping into the outfield. I mean you really can't start anywhere else. Other than the Nick Calcio. Trade buzzer beater trade at the deadline to you. Top prospects was the return what you thought it would be. And what was your reaction to the triggered. The return was was pretty much what I thought it would be. The and and it really is much. I mean Alex Lang is a a decent relief candidate. Paul resign might be you know might be like a six starter guy Who comes up and and get some spot starts for you down the road but that seems to really be kind of the upside there you know and that's to be expected like teams aren't giving up that much for players especially rentals anymore and nick? Cassiano didn't really have a very good first half the Tigers Really You know I mean pretty much the really mishandled the entire Nick Cassiano situation like I was right in that they should extend them the minute. They traded Justin verlander and JD. Martinez not knows because it was pretty clear that you know there wasn't going to be enough time for nick. Delight move to right field get good at it. Sort of established himself there her and become a trade chip who still had a couple years of control left and they ended up just not. Doing anything really didn't really negotiate on any kind of an extension. You know. There are some rumors that there were some some talks about it but nick put himself out there in a way that players. A lot of times won't do and and really made clear that you want him to stay in. Detroit wanted to be part of turn. Turn this thing around really. Well stay here. His family was all you know he grew up with was kind of all tigers fans. And so this is the place he had always envisioned myself. Kinda came about in publicly. Settle those sorts of things and the Tigers response. You know it was pretty much dial tone and I know that hurt him. You know that they had to hurt him because Nicosia analyst. There's an a particularly good player. He's a he's a good hitter. You know that that's kind of fits best for somebody who needs a D. H.. Who can play some outfield? And and you know basically guy who puts a lot of balls in play hard and online like the the caveat would be like a perfect guy for and I kinda thought this might happen either like the perfect six hitter or five hitter for the Astros like He. Put Him in there behind. Like ALTOONA. Bregman your Don Alvarez. And he's he's going to have have days where he's just smoking doubles all of the field and driving everybody in and we saw that with the cubs you know once he got over there but yeah you know I mean it the way I look at it as a GM job to get maximum value out of all of your assets in in whatever way and the only thing that you know excuses anything it really is hayward competitive were attending and we weren't anywhere close to that They could easily afforded an extension on him and we would have still had a pretty the solid bat that you could probably D. H.. You know a lot of the time because obviously Miguel Cabrera's going to be hurt quite a bit. He's going to need a lot of days off so castanos kind of defensive liabilities and right even though he's terrible but You know certainly not. Even really an average defender. He could have been a part of the rebuild and given you you kind of a bad start start building everything else around and they you know they just didn't seem to have any interest so you know I wasn't surprised that he was traded. I wasn't surprised is that we didn't get very much back forum I was I was really pissed about it but I was almost kind of over that like a year ago and the rest is just sort of waiting like where he went. So there's another guy who I like at a personal level as far as liking players. Go I really liked neck so it was nice to go to Chicago. Have a great time and just rake over there. I know a lot of tiger fans who've talked about him for years and I've had to keep arguing with we're sort of You Know God smack to see him become like this huge fan favourite and all the ladies going crazy for Hitting home runs and doubles all over the place at basically doing everything he could carry the cubs on his back to the postseason. So yeah I mean I think nick is a better player than we saw here in large part because it just wasn't much else around him he had a really good two thousand eighteen and he was out basically the whole year and we had nobody around armed him and he's still hit you know. I think he's still posted like a one. Twenty eight of Ersie plus something like that. So yeah. He's a solid player but without him there. You know yeah who who plays filled extra for the Tigers. I mean we really. We Have Cobi Jones and Victor Ray who are all sort of defense I center fielders and and in Rightfielder Maybe it's Travis Merit. Maybe Dance Cameron. I you know I think those are those are really kind of the two options. So they'll probably one of them. The Tigers Agresson heavily. He's Kinda hinted that they might try to find some kind of power bat or two to play first base and help out there and in right field so potentially something nothing like that will happen. I I certainly don't feel great about disturbing the job right over tries to MIRA who didn't really show us a whole lot after Shane Green trade with the braves. He was sort of the second a piece of met deal. Like another guy who has some potential can lake. Nicole from Lake has like decent around tools but just just doesn't really put it it altogether or has yet. So he's going to be getting a lot of time in right field and I'm really hoping that Das- Kinda come on in at least Put up a pretty good show and start taking taking some of that time for him. If Travis doesn't kind of get it going next year hey guys. 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Well I think the you know the best thing to happen for him is that he proved himself to be a good defender at all positions in the outfield. Like you could put them out there and feel pretty good about it because even that wasn't wasn't real certain last last season at people who don't know the Tigers picked him up in the rule five draft had the first pick in the rule. Five drafted took him from the Arizona. diamondbacks after the twentieth seventeenth season basically stashed him all year. Because it didn't matter and we could in twenty eighteen and he came straight from AA and had to come GonNa try to hang hang in the major league environment and it was bleak like most of us were sort of just like what. What were they looking at? You know what are they seeing this kid other than the fact that he's you know six five and can run you know there's there are some physical gifts there but But this year he sort of shorten his swing out he he basically took on that. You know that Lloyd mcclendon in let's play some pepper approach and it just and it just kinda worked out for him you know. He dabbed his way to a to an okay second half but even that was like you know it was like two one hundred twenty plate appearances where he was spraying the ball around and it was it was dropping forum but but still hasn't really much of a way to tap into his power hit for a little bit more power our at triple A.. And I think really the only the only thing that's kind of left with him or the or the thing that you can kind of hang onto his. A glimmer of hope is that you know his as development. Kerr has been kinda screwed up by the fact that he had. He sat on the bench after jumping straight from from AA to the majors. Went back to triple a this season. which is what he needed needed all year long but was also kinda bouncing up and down so it's not impossible that he might find a little bit more of a gear but at best I would say he's he's sort of an average outfielder? Whose whose main value is GONNA lie his defensive abilities so that's kind of who the guy is so I don't know if you know this or not but one probably the biggest guy that the painting corners podcasts are fans of Austin Meadows? His younger brother Parker Parker meadows this is in the tiger system thoughts on him. Yeah I mean Parker Meadows Yeah the Tigers took him in the second round in the draft in two thousand eighteen out the high school you know. He's he's another guy who has like a lot of tools But feels like the kind of guy who also might take a little bit of time to sort of put it all together other physically because he is six five and he looks like he's maybe two hundred pounds. He's really kind of a beanpole he can run. He's got some weapons swing. We've seen some really nice raw power from Amman occasion but he has a really long swing. You know like when scouts talk about bad speed like the way. I tried to explain this to people. It's not like how fast you're traveling you know it's it's it's basically zero to sixty it's acceleration and he's got work to do there and you know some of that may is be shortening the swing and and physically getting stronger So I'm looking forward to seeing you. Know him kind of grow into his frame a little little bit more a little bit more coordination and strength can kind of Can kind of smooth out some of the rough edges in his swing. 'cause he can you know it. Definitely capable of playing center field He he should have pretty good rob. How're he's got decent accelerate along limb guys who are fast still aren't very good base stealers and victory kind of fits that mold? I think Parker medals will be a little bit better on on that front but But yeah he's he's got some swing flaws in. It's hard to be caffeine it. You know if if we were if you put Parker Meadows in the astros system is probably like just just by the fact that I know he's going to get good instruction structure like almost bump them up like you know two of almost fifty future value type data as opposed to like the forty that he probably is with Astros Astros. He's probably a forty five because I just don't have a whole lot of cabinets that this team can produce hitters and we haven't really seen anything to to really counteract it Even the Castanos who sort of one hitter that tigers have managed to develop over the last six or seven years was was pretty close to a finished product. Even Even within like his first year in pro ball he was. He was just a really precocious hitter and didn't really change too much than any of US could really really see by the Tigers instruction so yet. I'll have a caffeine. It's unfortunately on that front but you know it. It doesn't hurt that. Parker medals goes and trains with awesome metals. WHO had frigging kick ass last year with raise this year? There's a little bit in the pedigree bucket. Where at least you know that he's going to be around people who are doing the right things no you? I don't know how to improve. Absolve know what to work on. So I'm going to be pretty interested to see Parker metals next season. He's a guy who I think. A lot of people were disappointed in this year but but again like guys with that kind of frame I almost always will give like a whole extra year of leeway to just because you know he's he's kind of tall gangly kid kid who needed to get his coordination and string together and if that happens never know maybe this wingo cover art as well as Jim starting pitching. Its make this. It's been this is want to jump into the bad stuff Does Matt Boyd Fit. This rebuild is the question that we're GONNA lead off with pro pro. Probably not no like if I'm on the show. Yeah like if I if I run on the show like Matt Boyd and Daniel Norris are probably getting extensions right right the season And I'M GONNA try to hang onto under those guys a little bit longer because I think the Tigers are probably going to sort of run out of time in terms of being able to convert them you you know useful assets sets that will actually play in twenty two twenty three win win kind of hoping that we're back in the mix again. I really liked Batboy I didn't I like we traded for Matt Boyd. Obviously he was he was far and away. The third piece behind Daniel Norris especially and Michael Fomer And boy does really transform himself. And ma'am boy. This is the kind of guy who's a really smart pitcher works really hard. He's a leader. He's a smart Guy I am. He's he's the guy who I would say like the James Shields of the tiger staff If you know how that reputation works. That boy is trained at Dr Line Baseball as ball out in Seattle Seattle Washington on the past couple of seasons and like each. He's he's made like a major change like in two thousand sixteen gene. He used to really be like almost high. three-quarters guy and in two thousand sixteen dropped his arm slot like to a low three quarters like a really pretty radical change. They happened over the course most of that season and he improved and then he came out last year and the slider looked a lot better and he was swinging that thing a little bit differently. I'm getting a lot more or or Zano break and getting a lot more wis on it and then this off season you get a whole lot of What more physical work built his fastball? Up Blow more picked up another mile or two tweaked his delivery just a little bit to get more backspin and a little bit more just straight riding action on the fastball and that worked for the the first three months of the season now we found that he really kinda turned into sort of a poor. Man's Patrick Corbin where there's a lot of strikeouts not many walks but wendy start teeing off on their hit him hard and he was given up a lot of home runs. So he's he's a guy who really had a home run problem and started. He's you know we've seen stretches. Were Matt Boyd. Has really good change up and that to me seems to be the key. Like if he's got one more step that he can take where he can refine that changing and commanded consistently all make season. I think you're looking at like a you know a solid number two starter like or a good number three something like that so I still think there's that last slow bit on for him to get out of himself and if he can do that in the first half maybe the Tigers will be able to get a little bit more of what they wanted when they tried to trade him at the trade deadline the season. He's been fun to watch. Though an and it really a lot of ways he sort of saved the team by at least like every fifth day like okay. This looks like a doc halfway professional major league baseball team that could win some games because you know two or three starts per turn. We really didn't even look like that this season. So yeah I mean that boy pretty good diet and I think there's there's a lot of intangibles there on top of what you'd actually see numbers that would make him a pretty valuable guy for a lot of teams seems to have. I actually think that the phillies would have done well to trade for him. I know they didn't want to trade like Alec Bone and the way it looks now trading Spencer Answer Howard for him by the seemed excessive but you know he's adorable guy. NAP Boyd hasn't hasn't had any injuries. He goes out there. He gives you one hundred seven hundred eighty hittings every year He struck struck out. I think like eleven point five per nine innings. If I'm not mistaken somewhere right around there this year differently up in the in the top tap not ten or so of a strikeout guys and doesn't walk to many people on the he's just one of those guys who is a fly ball pitcher who has a bit of Homerun problem problem and you're GonNa have to be able to to solve that to really unlock him and make him something better than an average starter Because obviously if you're in America Park and you're giving having oppo runs you're going to give up home runs and Philly thirty. So that's his mission. This off season is up to figure out a way to keep keep hitters a little bit more off-balance Work on that third pitch and I wouldn't put it past him because he he's definitely a guy who really understands the modern process of pitch development. And you know it's fairly likely to figure something out for next season that'll be interesting again. I'm actually terrified. Mentioned this guy's name because last year we did it. He got Tommy John like almost immediately. What's GonNa have Michael Fulmer? Michael Fulmer is probably not going to be back until till mid season the Tigers are are you know obviously not in a position to to rush at all like. There's no reason. Look yes. They're gonNa you know he's I don't expect to see him until after the All star break and I I really don't know what to expect in everybody's GonNa think about the Tommy John Surgery. I don't worry so much about that. Michael Fulmer is a beast like he has a hard working like intense cat Where his craft is concerned? I I assume that the rehab ago you know according to plan and then he will he will get his arm strength back and the elbow will be okay but the problem is that he's got knee problems too. You Know He. He's lost quite a bit of cartilage in his right knee and I don't think they did the microfracture procedure this last off season. But I don't know there was a whole weird thing this spring where he showed up up and all of a sudden. He's wearing a knee brace and they started letting them pitch. You know like normal pretty quickly and I don't know that they had anything to do with his elbow on the you know. He's had had bone chips removed from the elbow before has had some own owner nerve issues in there before that they had to do a little bit with so the elbow think probably holy was just coming out but it was a bad look for the Tigers that you know he comes back from a minor knee procedure you put them in an e brace he starts kind of going at his normal workload to get ready for the season and blows out of salvo. That's the thing that enrages me like what you had. No reason to dislike slow. Play Him and let him get used to the braces. He's you know which is kind of like light work as long as you wanted. And the if I didn't having to do with it but I just don't know what we're going to get when he comes back because a big part of you know Michael Former is that he just had one of the best fastballs in the game and had good command of it really really aggressive fast pitcher with great extension powered his way off the mound at you really hard and that right knee is is the thing that worries me more than the the Tommy John. Michael former always had some issues in terms of he just really never had like a particularly good breaking ball in two thousand sixteen when he run rookie of the year. It was really fast all change up more than anything had like an eighty nine ninety mile per hour you know cuttlefish Sorta slider. That was okay but it was mainly fast ball making it play up so yeah I don't know I. I still kind of feel like maybe what's going to happen is that Michael Former is going to end up in relief. You know going to be sort of a right handed like Sean doolittle type but what we're going to have to wait in and probably probably we won't really know until two thousand twenty one sort of what he's gotten a tank with Nian issue. That's a terminal. Had a really good year the the season and if there's one bright lake think rookie debut that the Tigers had it was terrible. He's a really interesting guy. He's one of the few that really throws like a high spin forcing her her and a really low spin you know like true sinker and he could mix those two. I'm you from ninety three to ninety eight miles per hour and his band is still will. Is still sketchy but you can see like a lot of good hitters. Had a really hard time dealing with his fastball. And he's also he backs it up with a pretty good slider arm curveball combination. He's a guy who's who's older than I think. People thought when he when he came up I keep reminding people that day is only twenty six after everything he's been through. It spreads debuted this year at twenty seven just about. He's the guy who the tires drafted in two thousand four and he had kind of consistent shoulder issues is but never anything major and it. It just feels like maybe twenty eighteen. He he cut a found something in his conditioning where it all sort of clicked and he stayed healthy the whole season. And you started to see you kind of the package coming together. While he's not he's not a guy who's probably ever going to have like you know plus command or turn into a really dominant starter. He's the guy who's who's got just nasty raw stuff like he he could be a really tough reliever He's a guy who who they the Tigers do have kind of going for them right now. Who Really Kinda came out of the blue because even though he had a good season in the on the farm last year he was twenty six by then He? He was a guy that I think a lot of people had already started to Kinda right off off was falling down into the teens in a lot of the the system rankings and so to have him come up and you know showcase a little. Oh better command than than he he had in in the minors and that power stuff. He's the guy who you know probably is one of the best assets or what are the best last thing to happen to the Tigers organization this season so they got him And he's still going to be around for six years so that that part of it is good. You know the the real tricky part and I I just wrote like a player review about dangerous. Last night he's going to be a free agent in twenty twenty two so we've only got him for two more seasons former employed. We only have three more so it is really hard muscle. Tigers decide to offer some extensions and the Tigers aren't a team. That really ever seems to do that with anybody. Other than the you know. The Justin Burley Anders of the world. which I think is foolish? Unfortunately but is this kind of the way it goes. But they're the trick the next year or so is to figure out how to determine those guys into the best assets that they can get back obviously former is gonNA take some time now but you've got foam for three more seasons so maybe that can work out Boyd I would expect to be treated very fairly soon. Norris has just had like this this weird groin injury But he suffered in two thousand seventeen pitched with it for most of the season and struggled Head surgery came back. The next year was still kind of dealing with a lot of soreness and scar tissue and his blasphemy. which used to be on ninety? Three ninety four was down to about ninety and he averaged ninety pretty much all of two thousand eighteen they kind of had to pitch them out of the bullpen. He ended up having a secondary procedure. I mean the dude is just been unbelievably snake bit he he you know he had thyroid cancer. Like right. After the Tigers Traded Forum What else happened? He fell doing box jumps and like fractured one of the the little processes that come off the back of your Vertebra in twenty sixteen. I believe that was so. It's just been kind of like this. This litany injuries with him But he still has a really damn good slider good change up pretty good bulldog mentality in there. And he's a guy who I'm looking forward to next next season. Because because the Tigers shut him down and just had him pitch like two or three innings at a tie in his starts in September just sort of keep them in the mix without overworking him and and we started seeing the the velocity finally starting to come back and take out and to lose that much velocity without an arm injury Dale's never had any kind of trouble is is just a really kind of weird thing and we saw that with Justin Burland or when he had his groin inquirer issues on prior to the twenty fourteen season. So I've been I've been holding malign here ed part of it I mean I kind of love Daniel Norris like dude who in the offseason is out with all these nature photographers and surfers. Who Film things for or National Geographic? All these people follow on instagram like Daniel. Norris knows these people that's three hangs out with in the off season driving his VW. Bus across the country. I I think I kind of want his life his lifestyle. He's kind of my spirit. Animals I root for them even more than I normally would but it was great to see him kind of come back and just you know just just just be healthy. Stay off the I l. and put up league average numbers and he's another guy who I could see coming out next season. You know having a little bit more on the fastball. After an off season where he finally doesn't have to Rehab anything and can just work on his strength and flexibility. I can see him get a little blasted he back and he's really had to struggle to learn how how to pitch with ninety MPH fastball over the past two seasons and kind of had figured out you know how to make it work with command mixing fixing stuff up and all that so he could get that little bit of lasted you back out still holding out some hope that The the best is yet to come for Daniel as well and like I said he's only twenty six. There could be a long way to go. He was brought up really early by the Blue Jays traded to us and we basically worked right from the beginning so yeah yeah as far as the rotation goes at least there are few guys who are who are worthy of look next season. I wasn't expecting Dana. Norris's my spirit animal to be a large number man. You gotta you gotTa start following Daniel North of instagram. It'll be your spirit animal. Don't worry more like the bland pitchers is that are like McKinsey Gore over here taking McKinsey Gore. Let's talk about the second best pitching prospect of baseball. Yeah I'm okay with that I ll Mackenzie Gore is a beast man. I'm on board with the McKenzie. GORTEX man he's more like it's like everybody's a prospect crush right Calistoga a a podcast of for EVT's stuff. It was literally dislike twenty minutes of meeting callous. Just gushing over Gore knife. Hi Jim Ellison. Now that's a as he was he was awesome man. But you know let's talk about casing. Is We talked about Casey last year to where her feels you. I think you told me last year that you thought that Manning was gonNA wind up passing him up. Do you think that happened this year in is that at fault of is is or is that more manning's just push forward. I don't think he passed him necessarily but I do think if it became pretty clear player to a lot of people that it that it's much more like a one eight one be type situation. They've he's last year to actually. Yeah I think that all kind of came to fruition like I I mean Casey buys looked really good I A lot of my concerns with Casey. Mice have always been more that he so close to two major league. Ready as as he is that. I'm just not sure that the Tigers the team that can really like leverage him the best like he's almost a guy you would think the Tigers would would pitch for two seasons and then probably probably end up trading away for a piece to really start the rebuild going I mean I've had some issues with case is just because I don't. I don't trust the durability ability and that's that's perfectly normal almost all pitching prospects but there are some guys who I do and and I I. I have a lot more faith that manning is going to is going to be the if one of them is going to be the guy who throws two hundred innings every year and just eats everybody up consistently and becomes like a legit ace type. It's it's going to be Matt Manning I you know. Casey is his type of guy who I I could see like one hundred fifty one hundred sixty in guy who has a I understand once or twice almost every year for a little. Bit of shoulder soreness But maybe doesn't have anything serious for a while But yeah I mean of the two. Yeah I'm still I'm still pretty. Definitively I met Manning side I liked Casey Mayes. I didn't want to necessarily take him like I was okay with with it but with tigers having as much pitching as they do I was more partial to like a joey bar or Nick Madrigal. Type play at that point I'm trying to save a little bit of money. And maybe for someone harder in the second round they took him. You're the stuff look good. He debuted at Aa with a no hitter. which was it was pretty good? Yeah he's he's a weird guide watch at at the AA level because he's not necessarily generating that many whiffs and he. He seemed seemed kind of struggle with the splitter a little bit this year which is really when he has the splitter going You you can kind of see like the the best of Casey is and why he was the number one overall pick because at that point like for AA hitters. It's it's just hilarious. You know what I mean. There's there's some really bad swings like swings the pitching Ninja. Wouldn't even you know. Feel you you know. Like he could put out on a public website if other that grotesque so He's you know he was good this year. It's once again. You know he had the same. The problem is junior year where he got past one hundred innings and all of a sudden and the command wasn't quite so good and then it was a little bit of shoulder trouble and and he took a couple of weeks off and he came back and he was still just kinda sloppy so yeah you know he could probably pitch in the major leagues right now. He just doesn't give me the impression of a guy who's is gonNA with his with his delivery with his his injury history. He doesn't give me the impression of a guy who's going to be like a big time innings eater who develops develops a whole lot further. I K- I kind of look at him as like a you know maybe in like a year like almost a number two starter type. Who is probably ready to go and probably should replaying for a good team? Because he says he's hard to project as a guy who's GonNa be your pitch and when he's like thirty four thirty five and still throwing ninety three ninety five even eating a ton of innings. I just don't see that you know that it really cards and it's not really on the cards for most guys So I can understand. That doesn't sound like that much of a criticism. It's just that for a team. That is so far from winning. He was almost like a win. Now type pick. He's like the guy the Tigers would have dreamed of getting in Twenty Eleven twenty twelve and slammed right into the bullpen and then moving them into the rotation like a year later But he he kind of fits that assorted mold better. So we'll see how it goes. One thing that happened last off season is that there were a couple of interviews with him where he talked about Training at his agents camp and he's another guy who really seems like really fluent in analytics and pitch design and it was really really down to like you know work on his slider last offseason season and really kind of redesigned. It changed some of his training all that kind of stuff. So there's a lot of intangible qualities Casey is that I think are really good as well and we'll just kind of see how it all plays out but but yeah in the long run I'm still manning's a little bit more of the the volatile side of the of the equation as far as like how he's going to eventually finish up as the approaches the majors but I feel like yeah of the two I bet more on. Manning long-term where to Scuba football fit into this mix we just talked about basically Manningham is but where do you find that screwball winds up kind of fitting in this equation probably really not this year in maybe at the end of next year. But you know how do you. How does he profile out yet? He's I mean look he. He was incredible the revelation. Yeah I mean I mean he was putting up like he was striking like forty five percent of of the hitters or more he that he faced a at Erie it was. It was pretty pretty overpowering stuff. I mean he's got an incredibly good fastball. I mean there's a lot of deception option in his delivery he's Kinda thrown from a high arm slot. He's kind of got like that kind of like a Josh. Hader sort of fastball. Basically the breaking ball. I think lags a little bit behind and we'll just have this. I need to see him a little bit more. Because he wasn't a double wave that long and a lot of what I saw. was that the breaking ball and the change up played so well because the fastball was just wait for those guys But you know I think the issue with him as you know he is a giant guy already on. I think he had Tommy John Surgery Sophomore year. which is why the Tigers were able to get them where they were they did? I didn't know I think it was the ninth round last year and I think we all kind of like we all like that pick and I kinda thought like yeah this could be a really dominant reliever maybe even like got to to winnings you know type guy like the guy who bridges you to your closer Something like that but usually durable this year and you know the the stuff tough was pretty undeniably. Good so yeah. We'll just have to kind of see really all I really. All I'm Kinda represented about is is how durable he's going to be It's a fairly high effort delivery. You know we'll we'll just kinda have to play it by ear but right now. Yeah he's like I mean. He jumped so much this year that he's really kind right behind Ms Manning and looked really pretty close to major league ready. His command is better than Manning's it's better than mize's but He was just pounding people with that fast ball dropping sliders and curve balls on the edges for the final three months of the season. He's one of those guys because I read a lot about the minor leagues. But but I don't get to that many games other than it Toledo so when guys are in the Florida State League doesn't much TV coverage you can't watch that much of it on Minor League TV and he was in the void there for a while. So I kinda just I just WanNa see him more but I mean he really did vault his way all the way up to where you know. It's really only mayes manning and Riley Green. I think at this point that I would that I would put them. I'm it was damn impressive. Him really much needed for the Tigers. They have someone breakout like that and look that good. It's just a question of whether he's kind of more of a bullpen weapon type guy or whether he's going to be able to go out there and you know drew one hundred seventy five innings and be dead good. It was damn good though when I saw him for sure. You're going to be thrilled to get a top one hundred. I already in the ninth. Round of lasser draft. Yeah thanks Scott. Boris Boris apparently one of the weird things about that was that we kinda on the site. We're always having this debate about the front office and there's a lot of people who just don't want a process that maybe the front office is terrible because you know then when you and you know they kind of kept throwing him back they found Tarik Scuba. Look how good this is going this year. Sure and then in that article came out where it was all you know. Scott Boras called the Tigers in mid draft like when they were in the sixth or seventh round and was like. Hey what about my my boy. Tarek Eric School here like nobody's taking them yet. This guy's amazing you guys should look into it and I guess they checked him out. We're like yeah all right. They took them and so yeah we were throwing that all back in their faces like. Oh Oh yeah yeah. Great Front Office as long as Scott. Boris is doing your scouting for you but he was right. I'll give him that job. Scott Boras thank you. We needed that. He's got worse. Nobody's there was a level for now. Yeah man to go I guess the finish kind of the cycle here Matt Manning just having you know just a fantastic year like it was it just seems to come so easy to him like but you know the the fastball and even the development of his command His he cleaned up his delivery. Libary in two thousand eighteen quite a bit and he was a really raw prospect. I mean I don't know if you guys are paying much attention to him when he got drafted but he'd only pitched hitch like two years in high school he was a basketball player had a scholarship to to Loyola As a guard or something as massive. Yep He is he's he's six six and that's the thing like everyone wants these really tall pitchers but then there's also the truth about like all these tall slender pitchers like they never find command. which is kinda nonsense like everybody wants? Six five six pitchers like you know Justin Burland Garrett Cole like I can go on and on with the examples examples of of how that's sort of the prototype of the modern power pitcher but yeah Matt Manning. He looked raw they. They did a lot with delivery the first year and there were just a lot out of like he. He didn't. He looked like a pitcher by the end of two thousand seventeen like its first full season but there was still some elements. We didn't really look like a baseball player Just in terms of kids ability to like hold Brunner's his fielding sort of his general awareness his ability to kind of move between the stretch and the wind up All that stuff really came together other in just just a huge way twenty eighteen and he didn't really take a big step forward this year. I'm he just sorta like entrench those games that he'd made The first half of the season had the had the change up and the curb bubbles going really well and he and he just looked unbelievable he kind of faded a little bit. I thought in the second can half the secondary pitches a little bit There was he pitched an inning in the MLB futures game that was sort of a microcosm of how it goes for. And we're like he didn't have the the secondary pitches and couldn't quite land them and against the you know some of the better hitters in the minor leagues. It wasn't like anybody was really off on them necessarily but there was just he just could not blow people away with fastball. At that you know when when it was that level and when he didn't have the secondary stuff you know it was a bit of a struggle for him. So you know there's still work to do but you know he's twenty one. He's he's a young twenty one as far as a pitcher goes and yeah I discontinued to be really excited for him because is the the athleticism is just so strong guy that size like his his agility off the mound is is really fantastic. You see him like pick things up when when they're working working on something generally pretty quickly. I kind of feel like he's got to add is basically you know fastball changeup which is sort of like a split change inch and a really pretty good hammer curb all right now but I still kind of feel like there's gotta be a cutter or a or a slider in the offing into really Kinda round that whole thing out or his command just just not as up a whole other level and it and it won't matter he definitely he could pitch in the major leagues right now to as reliever could probably be all right. The command was has just been really steadily increasing As far as like locating the fastball asphalt around the zone being able to change speeds and move up and down in the zone with it He's he's really fun to watch pitch and he's he's that's my guy right there. I'm the official Bandwagon Conductor of the Landing Bandwagon. And I would have them above Casey Mayes. Yeah I'm on my prospect list. We argue about this fairly regularly at bless you boys but yeah I'm not. I'm not giving it on that. He's our number one as far as I'm concerned. How do you feel about Joey wins? I've read a lot of stuff High praise for him. Yeah you know I like I actually thought that was a really good. Get that treatment down a lot of a lot of national prospect writers. Seem to be like Eh Joey. Wentz like You no he was a guy like a year ago but has sort of faded. But I don't know I I like to take like Joey whence the Tigers have a couple of guys and Tarek school fits in this to Do these kind of high arm slot lefties who throw that really like straight four seamer with a lot of like it's not necessarily like spin rate necessarily zero like I think Tareq scruples spinner. It was pretty good. I'm not really sure what joy went was. But it's all it's all backspin. It's all writing action. And he's got some good good deception From when we saw the command was really good. The change was really good His breaking ball is still pretty pretty mediocre. Like you'd probably put a forty five on it most of the time But even that was really effective because he he again was like someone who looks like he had a lot of pitch ability was changing speeds. Move into both sides of the plate hitting his spots. A Lot Yeah I was pretty pretty pleased with them and another. He's another one. Who is you know? He's six five to fifty and I think he's only twenty one years old old so get a few injuries last season. And I think maybe that's kind of stunted the lasting development is more like ninety two ninety. Three we still think there's a chance he's going to. He's going to pick up to be ninety five ninety six type guy. I don't know if the breaking ball will ever really come come along to be a plus pitch but he looks like the guy who should be able to be like a four or five starter for me. So you know for Shane Green. That was that was pretty good. Chang's good relief but not a dominant one is everybody just just go to Erie and just dominate. Because I feel like that's what happened. Yeah I mean they really did this year I you know I wish I could remember who wrote it but there was an article about like is the pitching. I'm good at in the eastern league this year or two hitter suck I don't they just. Yeah Yeah but I think it was. I think it it was the pinch. rotation was pretty stupid When they were going good? Yeah watching like Ms Manning veto school with a little bit of like Anthony Castro or you know whoever else mixed in there yet it was. It was pretty nasty You know that you're seeing wolves really only had Isaac parades as far as like kidder's go and they were pretty close to making the postseason and it was all just because at that. Starting pitching was just bananas. Good so but that's that's kind of where we got it going for us and it's just all about like you know these guys are GonNa. I show up proudly in the next year. You know we should see a lot of these guys next season. And hopefully setting settling in in twenty twenty one. And it's like yeah right about. Then we have some bats going really like is appraisal be thereby then but riley green unless he has a huge breakout is probably still going to be at the AA double a level If that so the timing of all this is another thing that just isn't it. It's hard to do but it's not coming together very well and that's all because the tiger really really failed with a lot of the trades Everybody gets a draft every year. It's nice to pick high but you know even in football having the number one pick doesn't guarantee not you anything and in baseball. It's like a completely other thing so yeah so I mean just you know. We haven't gotten any extra picks the Arizona diamondbacks Bax. who was? Yeah Yeah we would love to see Al Avila. Do some do some things to get to get a whole bunch of picks and get a bunch of these guys all coming coming kind of on a similar timeframe but they haven't really shown what's propensity for creativity or or trading in general So you know the went straight was okay the trade that they got Isaac Parade as you know in Jamar. Candelaria was good but other than that. I mean it's it's been pretty garbage. So yeah you know the timing on all this is the trick and that's where you get into okay we're going to trade buoyed and then maybe we're going to trade fomer or for the for the bats that we need but then you're entirely depending on your farm to produce all these guys and I don't care if you have you know eight top one hundred. Pitching prospects like the odds are still very good. That you're only going to get for those guys to be solid solid major leaguers and even then it might take them a couple of years to to settle in. So yes. That's why this is so hard right now. Is that if you know if instead of Mayes manning scuba all those guys were hitters like we'd all feel different like Oh maybe we can find cheap pitcher and fix them up or bring all these guys to to fly ball pitchers to America. Who are you know getting shelled and other places and find a couple of them who can keep the ball in the park enough? You put a fast speedy defense. Thank Centerfield like you start like in your head you can start team building away to make some of this work but But yeah bringing up all the pitchers at once when you don't really have the bats yet you know I. It's it's still a very long way away unless there's some some big things happening over the next year. You just waste service at that point. Yeah I mean and and to some degree. That's okay because pitchers you know I. It's just the way it goes like when you bring a pitch up to the major leagues you know. We've seen it with Julio Erase or women Senate with Walker bueller panic like there's usually some injuries. There's usually some some figuring out some rough stretches. It's less less likely. I think that you're gonNA get a wine. Soto tight pitching prospect does even the best guys usually struggle a little bit for a while Walker Bueller being the exception it just looks like a complete stutter. Already so is there. I mean you pretty much. Can you know I mean it's like Joe Jimenez Buck Look Farmer. Those guys are okay. If one of them could take a step forward that that's a good relief chipped to trade next season but other than that. Yeah you know we picked picked up a guy. David Mackay On waivers from Seattle. He's got like a three thousand RPM curve ball throws ninety four ninety five and. Yeah I mean it's it's good good stuff but the thing that I'm noticing is that it that stuff kind of used to you know pop. My is out of my head but the man everybody throws ninety five while support for reliever so you know he's another guy who like if he could put it together and find the command. The stuff is really really pretty eye popping the good but But yeah there's there's also just a lot of you know that guy's never gonNa make it was under smooth news throw one oh three one three and then paint it back or slider finals Anybody those ninety good luck now. Yeah Yup but their seat all but then there's still some out there but man you gotTa have some yet has some serious game pain. Yeah and you gotTa have some deception you gotta be able to change the etc so it I mean it is nice that some guys can still make that work and that's why we started out I if it was before we got on air talking about that. And that's why you know that cranky and Anibal Sanchez and guys like that Kyle Hendricks get so much no acclaim. Because it's it's is this really hard to pitch that way and it takes a guy with you know pretty stupid precision to make that sort of thing works. Oh Yeah you better you better be able to bring it you know ninety five or or close or it's tough I mean. We've pretty much covered everything. I kind of want to go over the draft a little bit before we close things. Down sure How did you feel overall about this draft and you know we? We talked about it before. Obviously nine guys that were in College College. Only one of nine guys in the first round that we're we're in college. Only one high schooler but that one high school or is relegated you know. How did you feel about taking Riley Green at number five? And what was the kind of the reaction to this. I think. In general people really liked Riley Greener. And we're pretty pretty stoked about him and I don't know if you guys read back in the spring it was sort of like the one knock on rally green is that was that you know. Maybe the defense wasn't that good. He didn't really have the speed. You know to to play Centerfield. He was probably a guy is gonNA have to move to the corner all that kind of thing but everybody you know everybody likes the bet. Everybody expects them to hit And right from the start like you know. He went to the Gulf Coast League. Can I think homered in his first two games and they were like tape measure just missiles And he basically did the same thing at Connecticut in the New York Penn League you a you know like short season a ball so the you know the bat you know impressed but the other thing to happen is that he went to West Michigan and just started making highlight reel plays in Centerfield Centerfield all over the place and I don't know it was pretty clear to a lot of us that some of the early kind of write ups I'm on Riley Green no pre-draft like back last January February just hadn't taken into account that he'd really kind of already heard all those rumors and really put in a lot of work and he was faster than Than people anticipated in in a lot better defender so overall that was pretty great. You know I kind of wanted. Jj Blah Day Mainly because of those concerns about Riley Green like maybe maybe he's just kind of going to be a slow corner outfielder when he fills out but Put those concerns on the back burner and so overall Yelm. I'm really happy little love for rally Russia but that wasn't gonNa Happen Riley Green We're we're pretty stoked about I think As far as picks go that was the good one The the overall yes. I mean there were some picks you know that I liked but overall it was a little disconcerting that it was such a a seemingly safe draft have to to not really take any prep players in the top ten rounds and and kind of take a swing on any of those guys you know there are some guys I liked like we talked about Bryant Packard like maybe a shot at being a power hitting first baseman Cooper Johnson you know a decent catching prospect like looks like he has work to do behind the plate Even got drafted but has some two ball skills like a little bit and power like okay. That's all right. You know that back back-back pick was okay I liked lips. Okay I liked Catanha. Okay but overall yeah the philosophy Yeah that was kind of problematic automatic gun not just for me but I know a lot of people were sort of like you know why it would be in safe right now like. Why aren't we swing for the fences with it as many takes as possible? Because you you know we're a long way away. You're very unlikely to draft a star in the fifth or sixth round out of college. So yeah I mean that's kind of a problem. Hopefully they they they found if you guys who were values but But I don't really have a whole lot of happened. Set anybody outside a rally green is really ever going to be an impact player The two thousand eighteen draft was was pretty good but this one felt like sort of the beginning the middle ground between twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen which was just like a mess of a draft. Graf took fatal. I they overpaid a guy. In the second round out of Juku the first baseman Ray Rivera who has just looked awful has never done anything so their whole draft was kind of a mass. So this I mean this kind of felt like going back to safe mode a little bit and yeah I mean. There's there isn't really any reason for them to be in safe mode. So you know that the draft expert on the site. I pay a lot of attention. There's a couple of guys who no I would say more than I do. So maybe some of these guys will have a little bit more of a shot. Then I'm giving him Zach. Who took in the the seventh round like yeah really really? Nice looking fastball. Ashfall late like a like a really big time writing fastball and a decent breaking ball he was. LSU's closer. I think he was there. Is there a weekend pitcher. Oh was it. Yeah he was starting there okay and then we can burn in Austin. That's the only reason a prophecy. But let's see him I saw him pitch A couple of games and he looked promising As a relief candidate leads to sell these guys there but yeah outside of green. I didn't really see anybody who had like distant twinkle of like. Hey maybe this guy could you know could put it all together and have the high ceiling that we're not anticipating didn't really see too to many guys who who seem to fit that mold. Maybe maybe Lipsius if everything just go cubs together out of nowhere but that's a lot of just wild hope and speculation on On my part because I I tend to favor like hardworking. You know smart players as long as they're not like unskilled I tend to like WanNa give those guys a little bit of time to see if you know they can. They can develop themselves a little bit and a lot of that is still just like lack of confidence in the Tigers Ability. Develop people all right so Close it out. Give us some bold predictions for the twenty twenty season for the Tigers. Oh God okay the same seat that are we in the same seat seat next year that we are this year to where the Tigers have another number one overall big. I think there is a pretty good chance at that happens. Elman yeah I'm afraid so like I. I would be surprised if we if we were picking lower than third in twenty twenty one and nets you know all kinds of things can happen but the Tigers do have some guys who could break out there. There are some things that can happen. Maybe they'll be more aggressive. This offseason than I think. I think they cut the roster to thirty three heading into the offseason. Then really there's only like one or two guys. They're probably going to protect. So maybe they're going to be more aggressive so then in free agency than that. I think they've sort of habit the past couple of years of like jumping the gun and signing a position of need like early like like they did that with George Mercer last year and as it turned out there were better players available like in mid February and Tigers have under eligible have consistently been behind the curve on a lot of these. These things You know we could've taken Freddie Galveston and signed him for less than they signed. George Mercer for you know and they signed Jordy Mercer. I think like right after the winter meetings So I would like to just be patient and wait and see what values can come out. I do think they need to find themselves. A catcher who can kind of mentor enter Rogers and Greiner and play half the time So I'm I'm looking for him to do that But it's hard to see too much of an impact coming anywhere that would really propel them out of out of the Gutter in L. Central. I mean Kansas City royals look honestly to me like just got off a wasteland as well on despite having a couple talented players so yeah yeah you do have to keep in mind just how bad you know. Some other teams aren't it can be easy to sort of fall on your own Rut and just be like our terrible like all these other teams have all these good prospects blah blah But yeah I'd be surprised if If we were sitting outside of the of the top three next year as far as predictions go. I will say that you will see Casey Mayes and Manning both pitch in the major leagues next season. You will see Isaac Praise in the major leagues next season I think you will see Ron Gardenhire fired. At the end of next season I think That'll be kind of the end Dangerous Post A. Plus Three war season and has laxity back to like ninety three ninety four thrown a nasty slider and suddenly looks like the guy that we got from the Blue Jays again. I'll throw the downing. I'll just throw the ball to the bold prediction about your and say that after the twenty twenty season the Detroit Tigers will be sold to a new owner. I feel it. I just don't see like they're so flat lined. There's so little urgency in this in this organization the past two years there's even as a rebuilding team. You know people keep trying to make these astros. Comparisons like the Astros and the cubs had plans like from the beginning like they were like the plan. And there's a whole lot. Yeah go read the book. I've told people about. Somebody's like the cubs man. They winding Anthony Brazil right away. They knew they were going to build around him. They went and traded for. They didn't care it took you know. Yeah so it's not like you know. Those teams started out with with you know deep farm systems but they were also in a time when you could trade for more and while the Tigers are have been pretty bad about trading players for prospects. It's it's also just gotten a lot harder you know. We keep going back to that. Justin Justin verlander deal and how they make out of that without really anything other than like a backup catcher But that also goes to the dodgers and the and the Yankees who do you know cost himself a world series because they didn't want to give up one good player Maybe that one good player was gleyber Torres or Walker Bueller. So you can. You can take your you know your you pick whether or not that would have been worth it or not but You know it takes two to tango and in that particular case. I don't know that anybody really valued Justin burland properly As far as jd Martinez Ivica tires just absolutely just booted that by by jumping the gun and trading too soon and then we watched him go to Arizona and hit like thirty. Thirty home runs in two months so I got nothing back so yeah I mean there's just a lot of reasons where I don't think this front office has done well really Elliot anything and I don't see any pressure from the the ownership to do any more than that. Maybe this off season will tell us. Tell us more but all whole I'm basically looking at the next year like this next cycle like this offseason the next draft next trade deadline and if they haven't found like a couple of of impact bats at the major the League level in the minor leagues like some combination I really could see us just being in in sort of a vortex suck for a long time to come. Where we're a team that pitches pretty well and play scrappy like twins? Bullshit baseball on the field and wins eighty one games every the year like that that might be the high It's really hard to see US getting beyond that. The way things are now so yeah. There's there's a big prediction i. It just feels like the villages are on their way out.

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Pittsburgh Pirates 2019 Preview with Alex Stumpf of Bucs Dugout!

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Pittsburgh Pirates 2019 Preview with Alex Stumpf of Bucs Dugout!

"Alex thump from bucks dugout joins us to talk. Everything pirates. You ready for the twenty nineteen season. Whether it's you know, what's left of the outfield being Longo Martin to go in tie on who could possibly win a Cy Young award here in the next couple of years checkout bucks dug out feeding new pirates news and enjoy the upset. Welcome. To painting corners, your weekly podcast or all things baseball. Now. Here are your host Austin Hartsfield, and Dave quit cow scheme. Or everybody. Welcome back tonight. We're going over the pirates, and we have Alex from bucks dugout on to help us. Dissect this young and interesting roster outside don't good. Thanks for having me on. Anytime course. So we'll dive right into it. Someone that definitely earned his money last year in a league that is driven by defensive catchers. You know, you have two guys that sometimes hit mostly good defensively, you have Francisco Savelli and the LES D as both of them on the contracting next year survey when he was healthy was great. He had a couple of concussion problems throughout the year. I remember seeing that he has stepped up and did actually pretty well. That's going to be the set starting obviously, I assume would be those two if it's those two is there anything coming up in the system, or is this something that we have to kind of look at in the draft say, okay, they eventually have to draft a. Catcher, even if he's a project guy. Yeah. I mean as solid as Elliot d as is and he's under control for the next couple years. There really isn't a whole lot behind him. There's Jacob stallings who's going to be a very interesting case the spring he's out of options and really doesn't have the ceiling of a major league starter. But he'd be very good major league backup because he spent a lot of time working with the parts on pitching staff. They came up through the binders together. See has a great reputation there calls a good game a decent enough globe. He's backup. So I don't think there's this giant rush for the pirates that they need to draft a catcher this year like stretch to get one. But there aren't a whole lot of catching prospects in general across baseball. No, really not. And that's I mean, it's a problem throughout the game. So yes, they need to really look at finding a good catcher to develop because there really isn't anyone else in the system. These guys and survelliance is leaving the door. His contract is up at the end of the your I guess, I should be ruling out kicking him out the door yet. But there isn't a whole lot in the system. But as for the quality there is right now. Yes, this is a good catching duo that'll probably get a very similar type split where survey gets like four hundred fifty ish plate appearances Diaz three hundred ish if in an ideal world, if they both stay relatively healthy, which is always a question Mark for Savelli. But you have to take the good with the bad. Yeah. A lot your last year was a great offensive year for him be as you mentioned. He made a couple swing changes. He stands up. More upright added a leg. Kick became a power hitter. Which is something we never really saw. He was good. He was a guy who always had a good OB p. But now he has a good slugging slugging percentage to go with it. DS kind of broke out last year. But then again that was only Oprah like two hundred eighty played appearances. So you can't really put a ton of stock into that yet. It's a very encouraging sign, but you know, you can't extend him or, you know, give him the full blessing to be the future starting catcher. Like if something goes wrong this year, the parts could be looking maybe they'll overpay to bring back survi- Ellie for another year or two it's going to be interesting. But I think catching is the strongest part of this infield right now really da- that's actually interesting because the next guy that I won't talk about before. I throw it over to Austin is Josh bell at first base. This guy has the potential to be you know, to seventy five to eighty five hitter with twenty to thirty home runs just of got a piece it together and get it all at once do not think he's gonna make it there or Dicky's gonna be inconsistent kind of the rest of the way. Well, you brought up the two seventy five type hitter. It's like, okay. That's what he did last year. Basically he would got on base at a good clip in his rookie year. He hit twenty six homers. So he's basically done those things over two years. Maybe if he puts it all together, he'd be a better he'd have a better offensive profile, but the defense, and but he's running or so bad that I mean, this is a guy who's been a roughly one war player his two years in the majors each year, and there is so much potential with this young, man. But. There's so many problems that are wrong with this wing. He he constantly fixes everything in between games. It feels like where he'll go up five hundred times in five hundred different swings. Yeah. He's always. He's always it seems like he's guessing a lot. And that's kind of been his thing since he came up. I mean, good news for him. He's young he's on the control. And eventually the is probably going to be nationally in when it's when his league wide that would help a guy like Josh bell. Oh, absolutely. I mean, very David Ortiz type. I mean, that's how bad the globe is in all honesty. Maybe not quite David Ortiz. You know, run run fill of go to run levels. But it's it's not good. It's not good. I mean, Rick Eckstein is a new hitting coach, hopefully, he can put everything together for Josh belt because this is a big year for him. There's so much potential with him. But if he's not gonna reach at the parts have. A crack in the minor leagues. Who just drove in a hundred runs in AA KEB? Ryan Hayes is coming up as a third baseman in you could potentially move. Call Miranda first base. It's his job for now. It's just those job for now. But he's not the only option. But I was kind of, you know, Zimbabwe ski releases his zips projections for the entire year. And you know, I was looking at it. And I was trying to figure out why his war has been so low his entire career. I'm glad that you brought up the base running because that seems to be something that people overlook a lot when it comes to stats like that. Do you think it's capable of being fixed? I mean, would we say that the glove is the worst part or is the is the glove, or as the base running worse than the glove is I I would say the glove is worse. I mean, the thing that's amazing about the base running. At least to me is. I'm a stack has nerd so I don't know how off your listeners of or your fella guessing you brought up Dan, I listened to that episode. That was great. I don't know how nerdy in here. But getting dirty at times, we we're we're guys we're we're analytics is where we're the money ball. Where does he get on bass don't care continue that that's the people? We are then clue. It's like really so that's could he get on Mexican. Base. That's it. Yeah. I mean, it's going by sprint speed then on stack cast he's above average for first baseman. So the base running is kind of frustrating. It's like no take the extra base trust yourself or no don't go. Now. Go to third base with two outs. Man. Don't try it it. There's some frustrating parts with the base running. And that's been you know, pirates trend over the last couple years haven't exactly done a good job running the bases. There really is no other fun way to say at the net. There's that glove is the big thing though. I mean, we saw some improvements last year. It's not like he's dropping balls that are thrown right to him. But he has a hard time making pretty routine throws. It feels like like if he has to try to turn a three six three double-play, hold your breath. Every single time left fielders on call. Just in case. It's. It's bad. But it's not unfixable. There is still chance that this could be the year that Josh bell breaks out any known becomes a borderline all star type first baseman. But it seems just as likely if not more that you know, this is. Claire that has come up a lot of potential, but really never puts it all together in the major leagues. And he's going to be a big part of this offense. Because if you look through this lineup he is the potential big bet in an ideal world where the parts compete. They need him to, you know, have that twenty-something home run season where he gets on base at three eighty clip if he can't do that. It's kinda hard seeing this offense. Having a lot of pop. He's funny because there's no first baseman in the league that are shaped like him Josh bell looks like if you found college sized tight end like maybe a little too undersides to be an NFL it tight end. But a good college guy right there. Yeah. Exactly, exactly. We're gonna go to second base. If I would refer to you know, do a blind player test player compared player comparison. And I said, hey, these players have the same amount of wars this guy this year. I gave you a door glacier Torres. George springer. I mean, and I told you that Adam Frazier was in the same like area as them for war for the year. I think that people will call me crazy. I think he doesn't get enough credit and Szymborska again thinks he's going to be to war player. Kind of what does he bring to this franchise, and what are the expectations a couple years ago? David freeze who is with the parts of time. Gabled pretty notable quotes. That's been circularize circulating around here for bit that Frazier's gonna win a batting average or batting crown one day now. Adam really had an everyday job because Martinez busted with P D's. And he was on left field every day, and he was doing good. And then he kind of slowed down whether it's because he was just riding high on the high batted bomb play clip that he really didn't deserve or he got tired, or whatever the reason was he a slowed down and that continued into twenty eighteen and to the point that he was actually demoted to AAA midseason. Then he made some swing changes came up and was hitting more fly balls hitting more home runs it. He looked like a completely different hitter. And if that's the head of the parts are getting in two thousand eighteen then or twenty nineteen losing track of years here then. Yeah. Yeah. I totally see maybe not Machado levels. But whenever you bring up gleyber Torres and those other comps. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely probably better than his dribble Cabrera honestly because army knife that guy he can really do everything he plays multiple physicians infield outfield. He's he's a very good player to have. When your team? He's right. Getting into the problem is age good contract in definitely going to be three hundred issue hitter for his career that you would hope it would Swiss army knife. I mean, the parts are pretty content there. They want him to play second base this year in an ideal world he'd be starting at second base. One hundred forty hundred fifty times a year maybe once or twice in the outfield. Look at how they use Josh Harrison these last two years would be the best example where every once in a while yet. He started a third base or he went out to the left field. But you know, he was the team's second baseman. And maybe if someone goes down they could put Frazier in the outfield and bring up someone like Kevin Kramer, who's torn up the minor leagues less couple years. He really struggled in the majors in September. But that was just one month or polarized type player, you know, get them reps at second base. If necessary. But yeah, I mean, this is a guy. He's probably the second. Most confident second base is probably the second most confident position at the pirates have at the moment in the infield. I think impact three Ishwar season isn't out of the question for me. It's just more. Can he hold up as an everyday player because outside of those couple months two thousand seventeen he's never really had that opportunity. There's so many middle and filled prospects on this baseball team. So if I if I asked you, you know, I told you cruise Tucker Newman, Kramer, kind of what are the what is the likelihood that one of these guys is going to be a star. Well as a middle infielder. I think that'd be Tucker out of them. Tucker is he's fast. He's fast. He's good at running the bases. He's got a great arm in a good glove. It's really can he hit major league pitching. He's going to be going to AAA this year. And this is a big year for him. He had he struggled throughout the first half of last year in AA. But then he really picked up in the second half. And then he went to the Zona fall league where he was the best player in the entire state the entire time. I mean, I think he had a no PS eleven thousand over that month. It was insane against the best prospects in baseball. So that's very encouraging. The see this is going to be a big year for him. I think that's a good. A good barometer for him. Like if he could ever hit major league pitching. We'll let's see how he doesn't AAA this year a Newman's going to be splitting time with Eric solace or they're competing for the major league starting job. I'm not real high on the kid, but the pirates are I think he's a Jordy Mercer at best type player. Newman nut Newman. Aw, Kramer, the other Seinfeld. Brother. Steak. I want to be a part has been a sleeper prospect in the system last couple of years. He's so maybe he could turn out to be something. Good crews, though, in general, I think is going to be the best hitter out of the bunch. And I know you really shouldn't count your chickens before their hat before they hatch, especially whenever they're just in single-a still, and he's probably gonna need to move away from shortstop Tyler third base first base or corner outfield. But man, there's so much power in that bad. And it's only go to those power numbers ago. Go up as he continues to fill out the pirates got him in the Tony Watson trade in two thousand seventeen and he was really skinny kid. And they said if you could fatten him up he could probably hit thirty one someday. I think fan graphs hasn't met like eighty raw power. Is a future potential emulates. It's insane. How hard this kid can hit the ball. And he's got to continue to hit it hard. So I think he's the most exciting out of the bunk, but not as a middle infielder Tucker as middle infielder crews in general, I'm Vic Tucker, he's only twenty two years old. A lot of people said it was a reach in the first round, and he's gonna take a little bit to develop, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's a good player. He's fast. He can hit. He's going to work on his strikeouts. Is it gonna hit home runs? I'll know who cares. You don't need them to the tunnel ruins. He's got great size. He's six three. He's at leg. He's going to be there. The question is is he going to be there on opening day or you're gonna go with another type of guy like a Kramer, or you're gonna move. Somebody around is Frazier C some time there this year. What's gonna go on there? And I believe Tucker's the guy the future Southern Link, you do is that is that what you'd be comfortable saying, the I I'm comfortable saying that tuck rues the shortstop of the future, but he's not going. To make the team opening day. I departs had to add them to the forty man roster this off season. But he hasn't taken a rep a AAA yet. I was for Rufai purposes. Right. That he was it'd be called up and this is a bit of a stretch he's gonna take long to develop. That's good evidence of it. I mean, he had a couple of injury problems along the way which slowed them down. But I don't think he would have made the major leagues before he needed to go on the forty man anyway. So I think the absolute soonest we could see him would be later this season. And now would kind of be a dire straits situation of he's tearing it up in the parts or the playoff chase. And they need help a shortstop. I think it's more likely that we'll see him around June ish of twenty twenty. Yes. Oh, so another full year in the minors working the craft work on the little come up just knowing how the pirates work and how they manipulate service time like now market team man, you gotta gotta do somehow leash Toronto yet. Well, that's true. Could always having the defense is so bad. He's going to be ten days in the minor leagues to fix it. That's just ten days. So who is the opening day starting towards now? I would say it's either Kevin Newman or Eric Zoellick's who came over from Cleveland this off season in a trade Gonzales. Pirates manager Clint hurdle. He was talking the parts fests about a month or so ago. How scouts were apparently banging on the table that they wanted air kansallis because as we all know if the scouts had their way of any shortstop available this off season, it was air Consol or bust. Yeah. Absolutely. There's no. In the market. No, no. Yeah. It's not like we're recording this on February nineteenth. We made him Machado signed a ten year three hundred million dollar contract today that did not happen. No, no. It did not happen. It's a shame. Good in black and gold damn chain tension, you honestly would have been such a good piece because the pirates with with their where they are right now. I feel is where San Diego is going to be in like a year or two where they have all these young players in the majors. They're waiting on tattoos to come up and a couple of other guys to get healthy and we'll Myers actually like play full season. Well, they're not on Dante's is waiting on them. That's that's he's way on them. Yeah. The very true. He's ready to go. But as ten days, and then the global big ago, it's that's what you know. What it is. It's really just getting the nerves out those ten days has nothing to do with any other than making the player comfortable. And I think that's that's the mindset the buyers have to go into the amazing that there's a one year swing in ten days. Let's go to third base. Speaking of trades. Let's talk about column ran this is a guy that came over from Houston with Joe. Musk grove and a couple more. I think in the Garrett Cole trade is he's like under the radar. I don't even know how to phrase it. He's perfectly serviceable I watched that guy for a year. And I still have no idea. How to quote, he's like he's mean the potentials there. Right. He to seventy though to seventy almost two eighty he didn't strike out a ton either. I mean, he played one hundred and forty five games. It only struck out eighty two times. He was the patron Saint of one for four with a single. Well, okay. Yes. He is. He's he's putting the ball in play. But if you put the ball play enough times good things will happen. I mean, former Frawley or up Caisley, he's got the potential the contracts. Great you got him on the control for what four more years after this. So you got him on the control towers thirty. I mean that's perfect. Yeah. But. He's got a lot of competition. I brought up Brian Hayes earlier. Yeah. Enacted help that's the guy that's orb system right now. Yeah. And that it can help a couple of ways there because that can push you to be better. What is he's good? But not great. That's a great trade peace. I mean, you're retreated for him. We'll get to pitching. But Chris arches on this team in spoil. It wasn't in free agency. So you are willing to make trades. And if you have a solid piece that can help out you never know what who developed on another team to thoughts in retrospect on the culture. I don't hate it. I mean Cole was pretty much maxed out in Pittsburgh. I think what he did in two thousand sixteen seventeen closer to what's twenty eighteen Garrett Cole would have done in Pittsburgh rather than a what he did in Houston. I agree with that. Actually. I think that. Yeah. What changes injury? Yeah. And the parts have must grove now. In the way, must grow pitches. He pounds the fastball in the zone. He gets quick at bats lot. First pitch strikes. He pitches. Like the guy the pirates wanted a gear co to be. In that. Geico, wasn't exactly great in Pittsburgh outside of twenty fifteen. So maybe you know, must go will never reach his potential, Pittsburgh either. But I think he's a good arm Moran is such an interesting guy though, because he this was a guy who is a top prospect in a very crowded Houston system. I mean two three years ago. He was the third baseman the future in Houston until Alex bregman just kinda stole the job away from him. Which can you really blame anyone from for losing the job to Alex bregman? Now, it's a one of the best players in the league already. Not. That's how that's just tough sledding there. Yeah. So if he can get the ball in the air more hit a couple more home runs than yeah. He can be capable major league third baseman. And he's got an interesting. I I guess you could call it a platoon partner in gung when Dave and I started painting corners, we weren't exactly sure. How this thing would go. Where do we put it? How do we even record an episode and get it on the internet? How do I get it on so many platforms? That's where anchor came in anchors one stop shop for recording hosting and distributing your podcast. Best of all at one hundred percent free ridiculously easy to use. And now a match some great sponsors who want to advertise on your podcast. I mean, you can get paid to podcast right away. In fact, that's what I'm doing right now by reading this ad anchor has been great. It's allowed us to kind of spread the word about. While getting paid for it. And talk about something that we love you wanna do that. All you got to do is go to anchor dot FM slash start. That's anchor dot FM slash start. Martin man if he's as off the ROY dizzy good. That's that first question. And I think he is you have this is the oldest part of your team is the outfield, and it's you know, yet children home there. Now Polanco Dickerson morte almost zooming. It's Martin Dickerson. Polanco you hope that Corey Dickerson continues to do what he did last year. You hope more taste as off P D's and continues to be a solid player and you'll pull uncle gets back on the horse because that contract only gets bigger as it goes along. Am I missing anything there for the field? No. I mean, I think the big thing for plunk. Oh and choosing hall is Palumbo had a base running mishap at in September last year. So he's not going to be the opening day right fielder. That's going to be chosen home assuming chosen holes. Healthy also. Yeah. That that's a big thing. So for about the first month or so it's going to be chosen. Hold on rented, then Plunkett will come back. I it's definitely the strength of this offense. I mean Corey Dickerson had a bit. A down year offensively. I mean, he more than made up for it by becoming a gold glove left wheel, which nobody saw coming. But if he can get a little more of that extra Bury's power that he had whenever he was with Colorado and with Tampa Bay. So it wasn't just chorus field then. Yeah. The parts have a big left handed bat in the lineup. Besides just relying on Josh bell. Marty was presumably clean last year after that 2017 PD bust, and he was good. I mean, they made them change position the centerfield grades out much better as a leftfielder. So if you just look at war totals, that's part of the reason why it drops so much. He's a. Average to good center fielder rather than a gold glove leftfielder. So that definitely hurt. Still good slap hitter. In general has a little bit of pop in the bed. I last year he became the third part ever to hit twenty homers in steal thirty bases season in. I mean, the only only other to advance lake in bonds. So that's pretty good company to be in. Yeah. That is that's very prestigious company for a solid franchise. And I mean, they got the potential there's kind of keeping them healthy. And then keeping them together. There are a little older like we said, and they actually do some injury problems there. But it's a good outfield. And I think if they can recreate a couple years ago when mccutchen was there Polanco really came on the scene, and he was I think like twenty five maybe twenty four that's going to be really good for you guys. And it's going to lead into kind of keep in the young guys kind of in check as well, which is nice because even though they're not young twenty twenty three. I mean, Adam. Frazier. Josh bell and Diaz only twenty six twenty seven twenty eight respectively. So they're not they're just getting into the primes. They haven't been up in the major leagues forever. So I think it'd be good to kind of look up to a chip and all and Dickerson and having more learn from his mistakes and kinda like keep this roster together. Spoiler by the way, Gregory Lanka only twenty seven right now. Yes, he's only twenty that right now. The youngest in the outfield considering Marty Dickerson and Jason holler. All thirty. And the other thing about Palanca is he kinda struggled the first two months of the season. Made some swing changes back off the plate. And really just tore it up. I mean nine hundred PS from Junan with a one forty one WRC. Plus, I mean that is solid that is a middle of the lineup right there. Yeah. In the defense improved and the base running improved except for the time whenever he tried to slide in the second base. And look like he was assassinated it looked around. Yes, he looked like an all star type player for four months of the season last year. And if that type of Palumbo comes back for five more outfield is gonna look a whole lot better. So one of my favorite pitching staffs in all of baseball is the Pittsburgh Pirates because it might be a hot take. But if these guys developed the winning they should they will be better than Houston and Boston staff bar not. And the reason I say that is because if you look at the talent, and you look at some of the names, and you just look at what they've done already and what they can do you've Chris Archer coming over from Tampa. Who the I mean, he can be really good. He can also be really bad. But it can be really good. And he's got a great contract not against good. And then you have. Yes. Batting is. Good teams. Will you can work on that? Then you have James talent where he was closely is, yeah, I was closed at the name. He's nasty. He's going to be legitimate ace in the league you've Trevor Williams who I think is a top five pitcher in that division. Even on the team. I think he's Dicky's ridiculous. I think he's only gonna get better another twenty seven year old as Jameson also twenty seven then you have Muslims who came over in the Garrett Cole trade who is filthy twenty six years old who is project. It's kind of beat the next Garrick coal. You have Nick Kingman who is a very nice piece. Chad cool who is a really good piece becoming automatons Jimmy urine to. So the way I look at that. If you have so many there, and you have guys in the in the system as well. You have Mitch Keller who is probably the biggest name there. So you have all those guys all you need is two or three of those guys to hit. So the way I look at the roster in the way, I look at it since the trade came over that. I think you're going to be Chris Archer? Is you one James is going to be your to trouble trouble? I'm sorry. Muslim is gonna be your three trillion is going to be your four. And then king men, and you know, a bunch of those guys are gonna fill into the five slot. But you just look at those names, and you just look at what they done the past with their. Projected do you look at an all star pitching staff. One through five. I disagree with you a little bit. I think Chris Archer is not the ace of this team. I mean, I think that it's actually already Jameson tie on. We can obviously discuss that. But the way I haven't gone down is almost exactly like yours, except we flipped the one to tie on Archer advocate with flipping those guys. Cable flipping those guys Willie Williams must grove, and then I'm not really sure on the last one so Alex Philipson in and tell me kind of tell us kind of which ones close being right? Like if I had to say anybody may be Lyles is the five maybe. Yeah. I think coming in Lyles was signed this off season with the understanding that he would be competing for the number five starting job, and he was going to compete for it. He was going to compete with a kingdom and kind of Steve broad as an outsider, which I think with the signing of Lear Yano couple of weeks ago by the pirates is reliever kind of pretty much leaves broad as he has to be a starting pitcher bust to make this team. Maybe as a long guy out of the bullpen. But I think that's much more likely for him. I yeah, it's it's J L at the top of the rotation. I think that's pretty you have to watch him to understand. Why though because he just controls hitters? Yeah. I mean, he added a slider in the middle of the year last year. He struggled for about a month. Or so in part of the way, he busted out was he out of this pitch. And it wasn't even NAT great a slider. Because I mean, if you're trying to pitch you haven't thrown since high school in the middle of the season. You don't exactly have a lot of time to experiment, but after he started adding it it just through batters off to seventy one era from whenever he. Started thrown in a lake may through the end of the season. If there any people who play fantasy baseball. I mean, seventy what a for strikeouts per nine date on that is the sleeper pick. If I've ever heard one, I think he is the leader of this rotation definitely the highest arm. I wouldn't be surprised if this is his breakout season. I mean, he had four months of a breakout season last year. Chris obviously has been a little bit up and down the last couple of years parts are really trying to make him throw his two seamer. Sinker more Yankee to try to help them out. Try to help them out. That was something that he did a lot in the earlier's of his career that he stopped throwing and twenty stop don't it in two thousand fifteen and that kind of work that really worked in two thousand fifteen I don't wanna say kind of. But it kind of was was his undoing the next couple years that he really didn't have anything that had vertical downward movement because a slider is a horizontal pitch. So if they could add that perspective into his pitches. Yeah. That could work. I mean, the parts of done that with other pitchers in the past AJ Burnett is a great example of this Liana was better. Pittsburgh whenever he started doing his two seamer J hap. But then again that was a couple years ago. Those examples game changes a lot of changes overnight nowadays is far as anyone else's concerned. So it's. Kind of a throwback strategy. It didn't I don't want to say it didn't work at Pittsburgh because he was dealing with a sports hernia. So I think you kind of have to take those last couple of months with a with a grain of salt he had some stuff going on. But I think he could return maybe not twenty fifteen levels, but being a really solid top of the rotation guy. I talked about Moscow vol ready. I think he's the four. Trevor Williams is probably the least sexy pitcher in baseball. If you look at a step one. Because until he doesn't have a great. Hey, I like is they get out here. How they get them. No. I like, Dave. That he likes Trevor because I liked Trevor too because Trevor still strikes he has a good fastball. Baby, not glossy wise. It's going to go sit in the low nineties, but he knows where to put he can hit the glove, and he gives up a lot of fly balls, but they're not hit. Well, so yeah, he looks good fifth. Xfinity X, well, but they kinda hate him. But he's the perfect pitcher for Pittsburgh. It did the fifth starter job. It's Lyles who did a really job down the stretch in Milwaukee kingdom who started strong. But really faded had actually pretty decent numbers. If he if you take away the first thing last year, I've been really advocating in Pittsburgh for him to get an opener of written a couple of things about that. Brought darkhorse maybe it then Keller. I think is the first guy up in the minor leagues at sub points. And I've made a couple of ten days from now jokes. But now he's not quite ready yet he needs actually a little bit more time in the minor leagues to finish seasoning up. And whenever he's ready. He could be a really nice addition late in the season. This is a very strong rotation. I whenever you look at the NFL central. You look at the cubs who have this great offense. The cardinals had carpenter, and they added Goldschmidt and the ridge in tweak and the brewers have Sean who stockists in Aguilar and all these. Great hit Kane and the MVP and yelich in the parts of the oddball. And they're gonna be like, all right? We're gonna take on your strength. We're going to have this great starting rotation in this. Great bullpen. And if you can hit us won't from we're not gonna win a lot of seven six games. We're going to be three two two. So you know, we just went over the rotation. I wanna talk about probably an eight nine in the bullpen that I would put up against anybody in baseball. Like, I mean, you know, Yankee fans are going to shout at me. Oh, what about Batanes Chapman hate to break? It's you again, Chapman's sucks against good teams. You know, who doesn't sleep at ask Vasquez. Also key on a Colombian the eight guy coming from Texas. I mean who is the seven guy discount to elaborate on the success that Kellyanne baskets have head. I think the seven guy is going to be called creek puke came over in the Andrew mccutchen trade last year had very strong numbers had the best been on a slider in baseball actually actually last year. And I it was unhittable. It's an unhittable pit. Whenever he stone at right and having him as your seventh-inning guy. Oh my goodness. What luxury that is? Then there's Richard Rodriguez. Also, who's I know seventy nine, but I'm gonna put in six guy right here because he is basically of that quality. He was last year. He said pirates strikeout records for relief pitchers e was fantastic last year. I guess you always have to be a little wary with relief pitchers of. Okay. He was a one hit wonder. But if he's not this is a fascinating bullpen. And then of course, you got Vasquez in Kella. I mean, the only back to that. I think are better are the Yankees Yankees are definitely better in arguably the brewers, and that's on the condition that, you know, the they use hater as you know, a setup man, it's just as a regular firemen. I mean Kelly is fantastic Vasquez's stuff just as fair. It just I can't believe that Washington gave him. For two months. Martin lanson. Actually, that's not true because they also gave up Taylor heard who went over to the Rangers for Kiana Keller. And by the way, they also gave up Blake trying to to the as the nationals are not like unfamiliar with just giving away relievers. Small-market teams it usually better at making the traits because that's how I live by. That's the good ones anyone. Yeah. Good ones issue. So. Yeah, that eighth ninth inning was brought to you courtesy of two months. Mark melanson. So yeah, it's it's a one two punches you're gonna find a baseball. I mean, the parts are gonna be playing a lot of six seventy and games this year and with that rotation. You gotta feel good about that. I mean, there's a lot of frustration especially in Pittsburgh that this was a team that made so many big moves at the off season it at the trade deadline, and we're pretty much quiet during the off season, you can say, well, why would you buy the carpet not gonna pay for gas? It that's frustrating. But this is a team. Besides shortstop is fairly complete. This is probably the deepest part team in the Neal Huntington area outside of twenty fifteen. They don't have that high level superstar like Andrew mccutchen to bail out other positions. But everyone else either has a song. And major leaguer. Or a former high ranked prospect. Beside shortstop. I mean all five guys in the rotation pretty much the entire bullpen seven guys in the lineup. It's it's a complete team. I mean this team is not a sexy team. They are not going to grab you or Cota or whatever projection tool that you wanna use. But this is not a team. That's just going to roll over and die in a very competitive NO essential in a lot of ways. I think they might be better off at a table. Like the cubs who an agent rotation or the reds who were just kind of built for one year. It looks like then who knows what's going to happen in twenty twenty it. This is a team that's going to be competitive in two thousand nineteen and assuming they don't blow it up twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Yeah. I mean, I hope they don't blow it up because it'd be nice I pay somebody. I don't expect him to blow it up, but you always have to put that precursor whatever you're with a small market team with three or four other competitors division. Yep. Absolutely. Aren't Alex tell the people where they can find you on social media in kind of where you're coming from. Well, they can find me on Twitter at Alex liturgy stumped as to you NPS. And I got a lot of things to plug. So I guess at a time watch e could read my weekly stuff at bucks dugout, the SP nation site, and at the point of Pittsburgh, a great analytics type site in Pittsburgh, online magazine would strongly recommend it. I have my own podcast with my podcast partner. A no Hiles. It's called the river blessed podcast. You can find it on anchor in the Twitter for that is at river blessed radio, and I also wrote a book with a couple of other really talented people in Pittsburgh. It's called parts guy. Twenty nineteen it's on sale this week for ten bucks. If you wanna fantasy edge if you wanna keep up to date with more pirates stuff or. Or there's some things in here. They're just about baseball in general, very, very good. 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Hour 1 - Joe Thomas (09-11-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 1 - Joe Thomas (09-11-19)

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Kansas City Eddie does not plan to put him on the are as of now he will be monitored in Rehab and they'll find out how quickly he progresses and determine if it's more or less than six weeks so that's news that just breaking right now on tyreek hill who left the game over the weekend against Jacksonville pill and that injured shoulder all right eight seven seven three. DP show email address GPS Dan Patrick dot com twitter handle at DP show. We'll talk about Antonio Antonio Brown coming up in a moment. Mike Florio on loan from profootballtalk will give us his perspective on this Joe Thomas the former browns all pro tackle now working for the NFL L. Network. He'll assess what he saw with the Cleveland Browns in that opening. We can joe going to the hall of fame as a former offensive. Lineman probably have have some thoughts on just how bad that offensive line is with Cleveland Sean Salisbury always great to talk to Shawn he will check in in the final hour of the program Cygan good morning to our radio and TV partners. They say the clothes make the man in Odell Beckham Junior's case. Maybe it's the watch because he wore that watch that's worth a couple hundred thousand dollars and he was wearing a during the game in the loss to Tennessee. I'm GONNA guess the. NFL is not going to let him wear it. I'm support prize that the officials because he didn't hide the fact he was wearing this watch in warm ups and there were reports that he was wearing this watch. That's worth two two hundred thousand dollars. Maybe more why didn't officials say you can't wear a hard object like that because of safety reasons. Why didn't they say you either. Take Take it off or you don't play. He played in the game with the watch on now. I'm GONNA guess that he's going to continue to do this and here's a guy who's as much a brand in some ways. An icon is he is a football player. You got the hair the style the smile the personality and the watches part of everything that Beckham that Kim is all about and if you're over thirty you probably go oh boy. This guy's a diva if you're under if you're a kid you probably say. I love this and I don't know well how big a story this gets. There's uniform violations every single week in the NFL. This is different than hey. I'm not going to have my socks pulled up the way they should. I'm gonNA wear these shoes. This is about safety and I don't imagine that the browns or the NFL WANNA make a bigger deal out of this. Here's the the thing that I would probably say if I'm ready kitchens. Hey you better not be late for a meeting. Because you don't have an excuse you got to watch on Okay Day but this is Dell Beckham junior and this is not what you want. You just got blown out by thirty against Tennessee at home. Let's put the distractions to the side. How about we wait until we're we're winning. We're doing well so then people aren't taking potshots at US but oh. BJ'S GONNA wear and I'm not I'm not surprised. I'm surprised the NFL is they allowed him to wear it in the game. Why didn't an official just walk up and say hey even if you didn't notice that he had it on somebody eventually did and why didn't the NFL say for for safety reasons you take off the watcher. You don't play yes mclovin so how's it. GonNa work though because he said he's still gonNA wear are they physically remove it from his wrists or just what what if he just takes a fine you just don't let him in the game. Yeah you say to your coach Freddie Kitchens Freddie. You cannot let him play in this game now. I don't know if if they they penalized the Cleveland browns but just safety wise. You have to take a stand with something like this. This isn't about a fashion accessory. This is about about a safety issue. Odell Beckham did try to compare it to the hard edges that players have a knee braces but the knee braces serve a purpose. Yes you have to wear knee brace of some type. Yes I understand. I don't understand that logic on his part like hey. You allow us to wear knee braces. That's different. That's a football accessory. Yes mclovin guys wear hard cast. That always feels weird to me yeah but that that that's something that's. I think that they have to alive. Ah but I think they have to soften. You know it's a soft cast like you can have a weapon out there. Now you might use it as weapon but you know this is. It's not a big deal but it could become a bigger deal and you're the browns you know. How about we win a game. I don't before we go out there and make fashion statements. They're all right the Antonio Brown situation. He is facing sexual assault rape charges. This is a civil suit. Actually he's is being sued. He's not facing charges. He's being sued. It's a civil suit here no criminal charges and I. I'm not here to try this case yes. I think it's dangerous to go down the road and assume that we know what's going on with this. We're not experts on sexual assault. Were not lawyers. This is what I WANNA know. How does this affect him on the football field. Is He gonNA play this week. Can can you play in this weekend against Miami. What's the. Nfl Do the NFL's got involved in this now the NFL said that they're going to be investigating the NFL should say they're monitoring this. Let's just monitor because we've been involved then this before and the NFL did not do a good job but this is. That's what we're doing. We're monitoring this. I'm not reading too much into it. I have a lot of questions here a lot of questions but I wanNA know. When do we start getting answers. What's that mean for him as a football player. I'm not here to judge him as a person. I'm here to judge him as a football player. This is a former trainer. I'm not reading too much into what their relationship was or wasn't that she came to his house. She continued to come to his house. You continue to train him. It's a civil suit. Not a criminal suit and you know that so. There's a lot of things that we want to jump out jump into and then I feel like that. We got a better understanding on this. It's a it's a sports story to me. It's on the field the NFL's hired experts before on sexual sold after the ray rice case and once again. They're going to earn their money here but I look at. This is just somebody who hosts the show. Now we can factor in that. You know we're fathers. Were people but I don't have the information here and that's not we're supposed to do because it's dangerous to do it and try to figure all of this out. I do love that. Sports allows us to have the platform to talk about social issues that we may not talk about publicly otherwise but you know the reality is we we shouldn't and we won't when it comes to this story. Now I just want to know and that's why I'm having Mike Florio on. He's a lawyer. I want to ask him about this. I believe there's going to be a countersuit against Antonio Brown's former trainer but we're not going to get answers today. The answer that I want to know is the commissioner's exemplified going to be in play. What if Antonio Brown is found not guilty. What if I take him off the field for a month. How long does this take. How long will this take to be heard or dismissed. List or a verdict has found. If there is a verdict found for you know the plaintiff is they're going to be then a criminal lawsuit is is there going to be charges brought against. Tony Brown lot of questions and that's why I say on this show. I'M NOT GONNA try to try this case. I've I'm just GONNA look at it from the football perspective of what are the Patriots do what's the. NFL DO is Antonio Brown on the field because remember Adrian Peterson Persson and the abuse against his his son child abuse the NFL didn't want somebody out there who there was there were pictures news of the abuse for his little boy you don't want him out there on national TV the NFL is a business right. This isn't due process the NFL fellows running a business. The last thing they want is someone who's out on. The field and people are cheering the NFL does not want in my opinion and have Tom Brady high fiving Antonio Brown after touchdown in Miami this weekend. Now the image over fairness and look it's a business. It's not fair and the NFL is probably as we speak going. What do we do. Do we allow him out there. Commissioners exemplify simplest. Do we go and hide him. It's like when you have something ugly on your front yard and then you just put it in the garage. It doesn't go away. It's still there richest in the garage. That's what the NFL is looking at with Antonio Brown. The apple I had the official definition exemplifies the exemplifies a special player status available able to clubs only an unusual circumstances the list includes those players who have been declared by the commissioner to be temporarily exempt from being on the active list only the commissioner has the authority to place and take someone off the commissioners list the clubs have no authority to place them on or take them off and also the commissioner has no timetable to return a player from the commissioners list. He has no no one answer to there is no recourse for a player and if he was if he's found innocent and then he has a countersuit you take him off the field for a month. If you're Antonio Oh Brown and you lose a month. You lose those paychecks. Are you suing the NFL like I know down the road on this but I you know I'm just looking at the football football part of this if you take him off the Field Yeah Pauline appears that you still get paid on the commissioner will get picked up here. Is that way it doesn't say so in the definition but in the the past players have gotten paid so the the team loses the player and still has the pay them which is even tougher your glove at the NFL part of is protecting the team from having the discipline their own players. I would imagine yeah. I wonder if the Patriots would discipline him. Here's Tom Brady talking about Antonio. Neo Brown he was on his radio show his appearance on W. E. E. I this is yesterday and he's just talking about Antonio Brown the football player. I don't believe he was aware of any the of these possible charges that could be brought against Antonio Brown. This is just a civil suit there no criminal charges that had been fired. Here's filed. Here's Tom Brady. I'm not judging anything before you know I've had a chance to go out and practice in prepare and I've had so many great teammates over the years and you know Antonio medium today and I really enjoyed being around him. He's very the very smart. Football player knows how to play the game. He's been extremely productive and thing that I know what we can do is to go out there and work at it to meet into communicate to get on the practice field and go through things. It's Tom Brady. It's courtesy of W E E. This program brought to you in part by TRUECAR car. Shopping can be confusing terms like dealer price list price invoice truecar art shows you what other people paid for the car you want so you can recognize a good price when you're ready to buy a new or used car visit truecar to enjoy more confident car buying experience once again. I I opened the phone lines to talk and talk sports. I don't want to try this case. Okay this is in court TV. This isn't court radio. I don't WanNa do that because it's not fair to either party here. If something happened you know then hopefully the evidence comes out and we'll react to that but I I react in a sports manner. At least I try to and that's what we're trying to do here with Antonio Brown it you know some of the things that he's accused of a really ugly but I want to be fair to both sides due process. What's the NFL do would the Patriots do does Antonio Brown play on Sunday as we go forward with this so those are just some of the things that I'm looking at and when Mike Florio joins US next hour? That's so you know those are the lines that I'm going to be trying to stay in between all right. We'll come up with the poll question and email address teepee. Dan Patrick dot com twitter handle at DP show so when we come back we'll talk to Joe Thomas. He's the former Cleveland browns offensive lineman. What's he think of Odell Beckham wearing this watch. What did he make of that. 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I don't know if this is a must win situation for the panthers but it's pretty close. I try not to use that too often but it feels like in that division. You can't afford to lose this. One against the Tampa Bay buccaneers Joe joins us now is is it a must win situation for the panthers Thursday night show. I believe it is only two out of twelve teams made the playoffs last year that started to and you look at that. NFC South Division the Saints Looking Pretty Good. We kind of expect that they're gonNA make the playoffs this year and I'm not exactly sure that a wildcard team is going to come out of the NFC south this this yourself to fall behind on to for the panthers would be a little bit more of what we saw from them at the end of last season and they definitely don't want to be the same team that they were to finish the season last here. I have concerns about how they use Christian McCaffrey because it it doesn't feel like Cam is one hundred percent and it feels like when all else fails just just give the ball or throw the ball to Christian McCaffrey. How how concerned would you be of overuse of Christian McCaffrey. We got to be a little concerned. He added almost thirty touches last week and the reason they keep giving them the football because he seems to be their only big time playmaker on offense especially as cam can't really run the football right now like he usually does because of that foot injury that he got in the preseason and they're trying to take some hits off of him but for a guy. That's not a huge player physically like Christian McCaffrey to get thirty touches is not exactly sustainable for the long term. You know he's done a great job avoiding injury so far in his career but you gotta be a little concerned if that's all you have and that's always going to be your safety valve on offense because it is a physical sport in the NFL and you're not thinking at this is a guy that can survive that many touches week in and week out why did the NFL allow. Why did the game officials allow. Odell Beckham to where that watching the game well. It's a good question I think Odell came out and said he's read the rules and you're allowed to wear jewelry and I guess the the refs deemed jewelry because it's not exactly something they see on a daily basis seeing guys come out wearing watches since not exactly a requisite part of your uniform so maybe they were. I'm just thinking Oh we'll let it slide because we can kind of see that it's probably jewelry yeah but it's a watch and now you have something hard that you're wearing. There's there's a safety issue here. I mean it's not like a wearing a knee brace or a necklace. I'm not I'm not arguing for wearing a watch got to see that wearing a watch help you in any manner on a football field other than maybe looking good when it's all said and done in your touchdown pictures but clearly clearly this is kind of a gray area that wraps probably never encountered before since like I mentioned watches are not exactly part of catching or throwing a football or blocking even so this this might be something that will see the nfl look into and obviously hey odell doesn't want it to be a storyline but it is when you wear two hundred thousand dollar watch on a Sunday okay deal even if he's wearing a timex. It still doesn't matter how much it costs but if you're his teammate. Are you bothered by this. I would say if you're a team mate. You're thinking just take the watch off like why does it matter. It's not helping you catch the football. It's not helping you run faster. Run better routes so if it becomes a distraction if it becomes something that we have to talk about if it's not helping you become a better football player. Let's just do the easy thing and just not where it would. It bother you that. Would you say something to if you were playing well. I think the first week I people probably didn't notice honestly I didn't really notice until it became a big deal on social media because it is a nice looking watch it kind of blends in with the Jersey he he is right. It does look really nice but what what did did you find out that it costs more than most people's house then you're thinking well that seems a little unnecessary and then you dig into the rules and it's Kinda destroy area well. It is a hard object but you're allowed to wear jewelry so is it allowed isn't in the loud and then it just becomes a distraction. Odell throughout his career when he was with the giants at a lot there's distractions and they were not related to his performance on the field but I think he would be smart and maybe his teammates might nudge him in the right direction love hey. Why don't we just turn over a new leaf. You're in Cleveland and just try to avoid doing the things that don't help us win on Sunday that we have to talk about Sunday after the game that have nothing to do with football. Yeah I know where during warmups if you want to but not during the game you know you go. This is what I'm concerned about with the browns. I got a guy who's never ever been a head coach and I got odal there. I got guys who were brands now. I I don't have high expectations for the browns. I don't have the making the playoffs in. This isn't an overreaction to week one. I just think it's hard to piece it all together and you know they got blown out at home by Tennessee that offensive line nine look spotty right now for me Joe. If I'm a browns fan. What did you see that it. It concerns you more not just a week one overreaction but this is something to keep an eye on the rest of the season. The thing that concerned me was the penalties they at eight hundred two hundred yards and they're a team that talked all training camp about discipline and accountability and we're going to be different BROWNS team. Freddie kitchens is a bill parcells disciple. He's he's a guy that believes in toughness and then you go out and you have that many mistakes and you have that much sloppiness. It looks like a team that hadn't played together before which they were not a team. That really has played together. They've added a lot of pieces and that's why they were so hyped and that's why I was so excited about this season but now that weak one they look like they they were inexperienced and they got beaten by a Titan theme that didn't have as much talent but had played together before and had that experience so I think moving enforce they gotta prove that yes we have all these talented pieces but also yes we can play together and play football because football's a team sport and the best teams win in the best teams that play together so that's going to be their goal going into the Monday night game against the jets. I brought up the Commissioner's exempt list. We've seen it a couple of times most notably notably with Adrian Peterson. I don't know Antonio Brown ends up on that. Commissioner's exempt list. What are the players think of the commissioners exemplifies the players. There's probably don't like it overall but I do think it is a good useful tool for the NFL to be able to do something with somebody while they at least go through some of the investigation. Obviously it's GonNa take a lot of time for all of this stuff with Antonio Brown to play out and that's what happens with the legal system. It's very slow it takes a long time to find out innocent or guilty and so Roger and the NFL clearly they wanna be able to address something before the courts come to decision to maybe three years later so I think the exemption list is something that's reasonable put the guy on there for the short term let the NFL investigators at least find out if he's clearly innocent or clearly guilty and and then at that point then they can decide what they want to do. In the short term until the legal process kinda finds its way through. What's the way. Would you win now. Oh that's kind of a personal over the summer there was a few too many beverages consumed many barbecues eating so no. I've actually trying to get back down a little bit for my big Thursday night football career here this fall so I'm about to fifty five right now. What are you mention hopefully over to fifty five and not working out too. You know what I'll I'll throw three replaces the bar today and I'll give you an update Joe. The camera ads fifteen pounds so right now. You're about to seventy. I guess I'm not eating until till Friday morning. Given me a complex a good to talk to. You have fun on Thursday night great to catch up with you. Thanks a lot Dan I appreciate it and that's Joe Thomas Thomas Works for the NFL network and he'll be there Thursday night. NFL Game Day kickoff as you have the panthers against the buccaneers and I think this is a big game. I'm for Carolina. There's no real room for error. I think Atlanta is still going to be dangerous and then you have the you know you had the saints here now. Don't expect much out out of the buccaneers but Carolina got win these games losing home. You lose at home to the end granted you know the rams were favored in in this game but cameras not one hundred percent and you're going to rely on Christian McCaffrey and maybe rely on him too much. Yes mclovin. Don't you get the feeling this Bucks Panthers Thursday night. Game is going to be sloppy. I mean we early season Thursday night. We always come Friday and just ripped the game. Yes probably will be if you missed any of our interviews this week or any week from the Mercedes G. Man Cave go to the Dan Patrick Show App you can watch and listen from inside the Mercedes aim G. Man Cave Mercedes' Say Gee driving performance. I asked mclovin love and I gave them a homework assignment. Can you give me an idea of the number of teams who have lost by thirty or more points opening week at home and gone on to make the playoffs. mclovin has come back with an answer to his homework assignment. Just two teams all time have lost by at least thirty points at home in week one and gone on to make the playoffs the nineteen eighty-nine steelers in the nineteen ninety-seven steelers in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven the steelers lost thirty seven seven to Dallas. They won the Division at eleven five. I think in nineteen ninety nine I'm not I know I don't know if this is is accurate or not but they got blown out in week. One against the browns fifty one to nothing and then week two they were blown outage outed Cincinnati forty one to ten they finish nine and seven made the playoffs but that's why I was curious about the Cleveland browns. You get blown out by thirty points at home opening week. And how do you respond so interesting to see how the browns who the browns have coming up. They have Pittsburgh the jets on Monday night. That's right who was on the nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine hundred dealers. I just googled it up and the quarterback according to Bobby Brister what Bubby brister had an era with that was post Bradshaw. I guess right yes. It was very well. You had a few guys who after Brad show you know Mark Malone their name clip out the good quarterback name. Though how does he not have a beer cliffs doubt yeah man he write that name. He should have been up pro bowler cliffs doubt Hey. What's your name cliffs doubt. What do you do quarterback cliffs doubt. Do you think when he went to grade school practice. He's like seven and he told his name nyquil year. Playing quarterback had no skills whatsoever. Do you think he just said cliffs doubt he'd ever said cliff. He just said cliffs doubt he took over for Bradshaw then you had mark Bologne Bubby Brister Brister Neil O'Donnell Mike Tomczak Kordell Stewart Tommy Maddox who then Ben Roth Accord L. Medics were pretty good for times. Yeah Hodge Merrill Hajjah Eight touchdowns in nineteen eighty nine for the steelers. Oh I didn't know he was that good. I don't remember him was was he was he a blocking back at six hundred twenty one rushing yards and eight touchdowns. I Miss Yeah. He was a fullback. Who's listening full full backs used to run again yeah now. It's one of those where you know John. Kyun would come in for the packers and everybody would yell that. He was in the game. There was no surprise that he was in the game and usually it'll be a goal line situation. We needed one yard. Everybody knew John Kuhn was going to get the ball. Yes kordell Stewart in two thousand one. He made the pro bowl in a season season where he threw for fourteen touchdowns. That's a different era. He made the pro bowl fourteen and eleven he he he get cut. Thanks Josh Rosen fourteen eleven eleven. Do you have a poll question mclovin today. Well we can go serious serious which you want to start with. Let me go unserious a start to watch questions okay a I want to put out the audience. Do you wear a watch. What percentage of our audience still wears what we were saying over here. You have it on your cell phone so it's almost purely ornamental at this point the time you have the time on your cell phone jewelry. It's jury and the second question if you're going to over over invest something. Would it be a ridiculously nice pair of shoes and shoot a nice watch. Maybe jewelry like earrings or maybe a car. Where would you over that that once again. These are the non serious desert okay yeah. We have a we we have a real tour of a Antonio Brown poll slash topic discussion like really what should the Patriots do boy location should the Patriots Release Antonio Brown. Should they keep him should they put him on the Commissioner's stirs exempt list make him inactive week two against Miami play them and let the NFL deal with it. You WanNa go with that one thing too. We we know what the Patriots no because they presumably have access information. We don't that's one or maybe I'm foolish. Maybe they did. They know exactly where we know I. I'm not sure if Antonio Brown is going to be forthcoming with them. I don't I don't know I have no idea yes. It seems like everybody including the the League was blindsided yeah this. I mean I I would imagine everybody is sort of scrambling for information right now unless you you know you bring him in the front office you you know. Robert Kraft brings him in and says all right. Tell me what I need to know so I can keep you on the football field. I I need to know so. We don't look bad here you now what because he's GonNa WanNa play. He's from Miami. He grew up in. You know thirty minutes away from the stadium but I I don't know like does his attorney. Let him do that. Does the Players Association get involved in Yes. Who is there. A timeline for civil suits I how long did they. They typically take to wrap up. Is it GONNA be a year and a half or is it a couple of months. Is it two weeks. There should be depositions this go on a long time it would. It's unlikely that it would be finished finish during the regular season. Yes mclovin yeah. I saw US Daniel Wile who's a sports lawyer who who we've had on before said it could be years before this resolves itself. Multiple Years Yup only one of the things I think at the Patriots. Let's say hypothetically. The Patriots said we don't need him. We don't want this baggage. We would pull abandoned and cut him. They may be on the hook for the entire hire signing bonus. If he's in a special he's innocent because they would have no reason to cut the nets nine million dollars that signing bonus but if you make this as simple colas will Antonio Brown should he be on the field this weekend yes or no now we wanna see him as as football fans but you gotta look look at this from the Patriots Perspective and certainly the NFL the NFL is running a business and as I said to start to show the last thing you want is Antonio Brown in high fiving Tom. Brady after a touchdown and social media runs with that yeah mclovin. Yeah I was GONNA ask about legacy you know the Patriots. Are This great dynasty. Will we remember them for all the winds or Aaron Hernandez Robert Kraft spy gate deflate gate. It's do they do. They not want to add Antonio Brown. B.'s what if what would happen if Antonio Brown a deterrent worst case scenario they put him on the field and then he's sort of found guilty only if I guess if they know that he's guilty of this and and then they decided to put him on the field but I think right now this might be the Brown a patriots saying we'd rather not know and let the Commissioner Commissioner handled the I you know the. NFL says they're investigating. You know you gotTa Monitor this. I I don't know and I know that you know. The police aren't involved in this right now so I'm trying to figure out what are the Patriots do because you can put the blame on the NFL and say hey. They wanted to take him off the field until they got more information. I don't think the Patriots are going to self report anything or they're going to discipline Antonio Brown but you know it. This is a fluid situation here because they got a game coming up this Sunday Yopal Apple. You know this. I think this is a lot different acquisition by the Patriots. I listened at W. E. I another networks and I have friends or patriots fans. This isn't like when they got married anymore. We got rain losses unbelievable believable. There's a lot of hardcore patriots fans who before Antonio Brown had the civil suit against him didn't like the signing like we don't need this guy. It wasn't Koumba Ya when he got signed and by Patriots fans a lot of people in the media and more so on w if you listen they're not happy about it before this obviously this being nine eleven and and we're approaching the time when you know that first tower was hit and it's not lost on us. You know never forget we I. I'll never forget. There's a lot of other things that I never forget not just nine eleven. Never forget those who were there. The Patriots who were there on the ground you know at the pile is what the you know. The Fire Department called it and having my brothers in law they're no we won't forget so I know people are saying and sending it in you. You Know Hey Hashtag never for. We won't forget can't forget. I hope we don't forget about those who did go in there that day. Who ran into those buildings like like those are the people health issues that they're dealing with and you know. Kudos to Jon Stewart going in front of Congress to say. Don't forget about them now. It seems crazy that that we would. That's that's where you say never forget when it comes to those brave brave men and women and I'll never forget that day took my kids out of school and just sat down and said hey this is because the they were really young and they can't process that and we just sat all four of our kids down and just talk to him and even then we didn't know what exactly happened like who would fly a plane into do that building to one of the twin towers and then another one and you're going what is going on. 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That's ADT real production brought to you by ADT play of the day the job should this out swing a line drive as it in the right center rather guard heading the home is Castro Tigers win. Jordy mercer delivers the drive up the right center field gap his entire dugout explodes aw up the steps and not Tim it's eck in base one night at Comerica Park Tigers radio network in case as you're wondering why we're playing the joker Steve Miller band. Mario says because it has to be a joke that the Tigers beat the Yankees. The Tigers are forty three three in one hundred the worst record in the majors Yankees. Magic number remains at nine in to clinch the American League East that Crazy Mario there with the joker by the hall of Famer. Steve Mill play of the day brought to you by express pros holiday. Season is coming up and workers workers are in demand. If you're looking for a job you need a job. You need staff. Express can help express nose jobs get to know express fine and express office at Expresspros Dot COM com on the express jobs APP as well. That's our play of the day the dodgers have clinched their division and Christian Yelich is has gone broke his kneecap and he's done for the season he was going neck and neck with cody bellinger for MVP and does he have enough. How's that resume look. mclovin is who's going to win this. MVP Yeah. I don't know what it is to timber. Eleven eleven so there's twenty games on that's GONNA kill he's at three twenty ninety four th and hitting now in a League which could end up making him first but his power numbers are so crazy he was in triple Crown Maria. I know but we care about these numbers at all. I think we're a little more numb to them. You know if you're flirting with the triple crown then that's one something but if like my trout hitting forty five or fifty home runs you know it just doesn't stand out the way at once did so. I think we're uh-huh to it. I don't think there's a staff that you look at and you go wow anymore. Guy Strikeout pitchers strike out a lot of guys. You know win. Total would be interesting but you don't see you can win the Cy Young. You don't have to win twenty used to be you had to win twenty games now that doesn't matter yeah. Paulie if yellow geologist's stats as is our MVP stats but it seems like bellinger could sneak by with just an average month and winning the division being the best team in the National League that'll it'll probably carry a little weight there but and it just some of the baseball stuff but this fouled off a pitch and fractured his knee kneecap. Yehiel didn't Mark Maguire had the rookie record for home runs as for record for home runs as a rookie with forty nine forty eight or forty nine is still the record is Pete Alonso's a sitting at forty seven for the mets. I just I thought he was at forty. Two forty seven yeah I I think that might still be the record is McGuire and what was that back in nineteen eighty nine or something shocking mclovin but one thing about Ronald Kuni Junior. I know he's sort of on the fringe. MVP repeat. He's unbelievable in the field. I don't know this highlights are ridiculous. Raj Home Run yeah I mean there's so many great players like that. Who is the guy we were talking about today that I barely knew what the net reknown with the net and knowing Aaron unbelievable. We don't even pay attention yeah. They got Soto with the the nats too. I mean there's a lot of a young talent out there. It's just I I said this before. ESPN used to be the place where you went and you saw the highlights. They embraced it like they've watered down baseball Paul tonight. You got a Sunday night game. It's just they they they lost their spot you know they were the national pastime and then all of a sudden football blue by by the NBA became far more interesting and baseball sort of was stationary and caught up with him efforts. Aaron judge had fifty two you home Ronald there. You go thank you thank you. Peter Lonzo needs fight a time. Yeah we just showed Rob Gronkowski on the live look in in Gronk whenever he holds a press conference people think. Oh you know we could ask him about coming back and playing. GRONK holds a press conference because he's got a new product something about CBD. I mean he'll probably probably have a couple of press conferences this year. He's doing both flexible do WWe E and then people will ask him and he had a tweet yesterday where people were reading into it that maybe GRONK is coming back. I would be surprised if he does come back. It just like Andrew Luck. You know what the reason why you're retiring. You don't want to go back to the reason why you're retiring like hey. This game isn't fun. I'm injured. I have surgery all the time yeah. Andrew Luck is going to go back. He's only twenty nine or Gronk. What is he thirty one. Oh yeah he'll go back. No that the reason why he's in the situation is because of the game you don't. WanNa go back to the reason why you wanted to retire in the first place I'm also looking at the Patriots here with or without until Neo Brown so they're big favorites against the dolphins and then they've got New York. The got the jets then they got the bills. They got Washington then. They got the giants then the jets again. That's a that's a pretty good opening schedule there the first couple months of the season where you go on it. They might be double digit favorites in all of those games. Maybe not at buffalo maybe not but the jets the giants what now at Washington they may maybe double digit favorite their Cleveland well who knows what Cleveland's GonNa be like when they host Cleveland but I'm curious about that is the line still eighteen dies eighteen. Yes it last night so it's probably going to stay there well. I don't know if if Antonio Brown doesn't play does that affect the line probably probably not not much but what about this history of Tom Brady struggling in Miami. I know I would take eighteen but I don't gamble we can call a guy on your behalf yeah but I there's so many times when I go. Oh Gosh this. This is easy but a so again blur usually tells you when he does well. It's rare when the gambler goes. Hey I got roughed up today. I want one for seven yeah point yeah. I had a bet last week that I won and trumpeted here and I I. I made a little bit on army to cover the other day but that's that I was going to make a big bet on the Patriots to not cover over against the steelers patriots are notorious for starting slow in September and I didn't think the steelers are GonNa win but I thought they were going to cover and I was going to put a sizable bet and I didn't but that's it's terrible. I was going to bomb that one. You don't WanNa go down that road. You don't you don't yes. I think we to is a tough week to bat tubes week. We we all everything we learned week. One was an aberration right. Did you tell us all things never work out the way they do week one. Well you think you've got your team. Everybody wants to figure figure out their team or somebody else's team after week one like I don't. I don't know what to expect from Cleveland. I don't know what to expect from Tennessee. I don't know what to expect from the raiders. 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I'm buster only in our producer back in Bristol Troy Farkas and you can't mentioned that phrase nine eleven September eleventh without thinking of two thousand one on in all of those who were lost on that day and their families who were left behind in all those first responders and move quickly to help the folks in trouble selflessly and Troy Roy. I was covering the Yankees at the time and I'll never forget that fall is the Yankees advance through the postseason. Every night. There would be a line of first responders brought not Yankee stadium outside of the Yankees clubhouse inner to go onto the field and do the positive the national anthem and man. I it just puts a lump in my throat. Every Tom I think of those folks in all that they lost. I know me too buster. I mean I remember where I was. I was in kindergarten at that time and those are really my earliest sports. Memories is those Yank They Yankees diamondbacks world series and when George Bush throughout the first pitch and I didn't even realize September eleventh was coming around until I typed out the word September number eleven today and I was like Oh my God and I was just overcome with emotion every time I think about it. I am a big big show to everyone who helped out on that day. Yeah they're dates in this country's history that you know November twenty second. You know the date the John F. Kennedy was killed December Seventh Pearl Harbor that absolutely stand out and obviously nine eleven is one of those days last night and Major League baseball the dodgers face the orioles with an opportunity to wrap up their seventh consecutive nationally. West title Walker Bela was outstanding eleven strikeouts over seven scoreless innings and he got help from Cory seager. Here's a fly ball to left. Baduel hit on its way and it is gone homerun four e Seger a three run home run on a two run blast here in the third and the dodgers now have a six. Am Five Seventy Sports Portu- dodgers orioles. Somebody throw tell stopped the fight. They continued. This was the bottom of the ninth inning. Ferguson set the pitch to Trombone Cau- aw break free the dodgers win after being in first place for all but six days the entire season the dodgers have won their seventh seventh consecutive National League Western Division title once again the best in the West and after the game they brightly celebrated hard one of the few members of this team. That's been part of seven consecutive championships in the how does it feel wanted wanted to be the coldest one from spectrum from sports net. La The athletics and the Astros and you remember what happened the last few days the Esra scored twenty one runs on Sunday then fifteen more runs against stoeckel in on Monday Tuesday the athletics return the Famer left field that babies goal aw Christie yet from NBC Sports California and run just kept on coming for the athletics visit. Is it base it to write in an RBI solid base it the other way scoring is pro for me is making a twenty one to five ballgame twenty one to seven was the final score that was Ken Korec eight sixty. AM The answer crazy game in Detroit. The key set a six zero lead early and they blow it. It was tied in the bottom of the ninth inning when this happened sooner line drive the right center. Bradley third heading home is catastrophic. Oh Tigers win. Jordy Mercer delivered to the drive up the right center field gap. His entire dugout explodes heads up the steps and mobs him. It's Kim Base Water Night Comerica Park Dickerson ninety seven point one the ticket for the Yankees. He's a lost opportunity because we've been talking about how they're in this race for the home field advantage in the postseason. Houston loss last night but the Yankees also lost the the worst team in baseball the Tigers the twins face the nationals and took Care Business Mitch garber helping out pitch swing and Gosh because the weed second deck bliss for from the Treasure Island Baseball Network Corey provost with the call twins win five to nothing the Indians face the angels and Francisco Indoor added a milestone. I PIT SWINGING FRANSCISCO LIT door launches one high and deep to right Paul door there it is number thirty four Francisco Lindores Indians lead it seven seven nothing. Jim Rose now select one hundred w Cleveland wins eight to nothing and troy. I'll tell you when I said that Linda had a milestone. I I didn't really know I just guessed because it seems like every home run hit. This year is some kind of a milestone some kind of a record I know and I think last night was had. The most home runs vending any night this season. Oh my God it's crazy raise rangers and the rays took the lead top the eleventh of Radio Media Line down the left field line that gets for a base hit rounding damage on his way home the throw these cutoff RBI single Kiama Haredi. It's why free raise in eleven that from six twenty w d that would be the final score five to three in the American League wild-card race at the end of the day Tampa Bay one and a half games ahead for the first Wildcard Oakland a half game ahead of the Indians for the second wildcard Red Sox. They're done nine. Games comes out in the race for the wild card in the National League. Mets diamondbacks two teams vying for the second wildcard. Todd Frazier got a big hit swing on the lighter down. Ah Feel Line Fair for going to the corner cannot will score easily presario. What is white third row hustle presario wave home really throw to the plate sliding. We sat down the second goes frazier to score them certainly by a score of two to one how you rose. WCBS the cardinals facing the rockies in all of the rockies runs came in the bottom of the first inning pitch. Well hit the left high and deep the concourse touch of all time for our anatomy to Nothing Iraqis yeah that homerun measured at four hundred and eighty two feet to call an eight fifty. Koa and the Rockies beat the cardinals two two to one the phillies and the braves and Scott kingery had a nice moment to one swing and a high fly center field. It's pretty deep a KUNA drifting back. He's to the track Iraq. The wall getting ready to jump believes he always brought it back. It's on the warning track hickories around second. He's heading third wave into the plague hobbies. The home side of the ball goes by catering within the barker that Kunia kept in the yard the anyway it's got frisky Sports Radio Ninety Four. W I P in the Phillies win this game six to five at a time when they're chasing chasing the cubs for the second wildcard in the National League Chicago in San Diego per the second game of that series and it didn't turn out well here inside ball for this ball game but some i San Diego padres just late. It's official. It's a nine eight ballgame aw a walk off. Walk allowed by the cubs. There was Ted lightner ninety seven point three the fan the game of the day because of its importance was in Miami the brewers and the Marlins and Christian Yelich a former former Marlin who was at the plate in the top of the first inning one one day Yelich hit foul right off the top of yellowish his foot and he is down on a knee and now sitting right on home plate head down Rossio brewers athletic trainer and Craig Counsel Right Behind him out to chat that that from six twenty Wtmj he would come out of the game with a fractured kneecap. That's how it turned out after his evaluated a devastating blow for the brewers he's out for the rest of the year word began to filter in the brewers clubhouse in the top of the fourth inning. That's one years money grand all did this. The two one swing shot this down the right field line. That's a fair ball. Anderson's GonNa come in score GRONDAHL digging for second base he will be in standing on a run scoring double doubles the brewers in his third inning and they make it a three one lead you did and they would go onto win. forty-three in at the end of the day they were just one game behind the cubs in the race for the second wildcard in the National League but of course everyone everyone was concerned about Christian Yelich. Here's David stearns the brewers general manager I think first and foremost we feel we feel awful for Christian. this is a guy who's is carried us in a number of ways or less two years could have been two and a half weeks away from a repeat most valuable player award so. I think that's where our thoughts go first from a team perspective. We have a lot of guys in that clubhouse. who will hurt tonight. This is Gut Punch for a night and then we need to recover and play really strong. Basically we've been through this before as an organization two years ago almost was to the day we lost Jimmy Nelson to similarly freak injury and we compete at a very high level for the remainder of that season and I expect our teams compete a similarly high level going forward a lot of ripples coming off of that injury. Let's get to it Bob Nightingale Baseball reporter for USA. The Eighty Day joins us on the Shell Pennzoil performance line brought to you by new. Shell v Power Nitro plus premium gasoline now with four levels of defense against gunk where corrosion and friction and and Bob obviously the top stories of the day Christian Yelich out for the year after fracturing his kneecap. You know personally. I think the brewers I can withstand this but this is like the Patriots Losing Tom Brady. That's how important yellow pages to the brewers. What do you think no. I agree Basra yeah. I think it would be tough for them. Recover from it. You know just emotionally everything else. I mean he was putting on a great m. e. p. Push in the only as having a better year really do a year ago. you know they were red hot. He was red hot. You just heard about the scene in the clubhouse. You saw the video tapes and you everybody who is so down you know he's got tears in his eyes and they do have a very favorable schedule whether get three games left against the cardinals and that's it as far as teams news over five hundred but yet. I think she's so much dejection things we tougher than overcome yeah part of the reason why. I think they actually could make candid. There are three reasons for me one. I feel like they've got a great clubhouse culture and their small market team so they're used to adversity. You know it's amazing that they're even in this position given how tattered or pitching staff is now every game when I watched the brewers that you look at the great councils face and you can almost see the look on his face like now. How am I going to get twenty-seven outs tonight with with the way that his staff is lately to and you mentioned the favorable schedule that they have they play the cardinals this weekend and and besides that they play essentially some of the worst teams in baseball for the rest of their games and meanwhile the cubs team they're chasing seven of Chicago's last ten in games or against the cardinals three. Let's face it in this race for the second wildcard in the National League. It's not like we're talking about. You know all these teams reminding you. The twenty twenty seven Yankees like all of these teams have their issues. That's why I wouldn't completely rule out the brewers making the winning. This spot you mean so much depends on the cubs. I mean you know like like you said the cubs chasing the carnal stuff four games back centre last ten against hit. Lewis in the country. Even even this door wide open. I mean they should be running away with the division. You know much less a wild card berth then they have games like last night with a walk off. Walk me losing games like that to San Diego Padres and you wonder I mean if the cubs at some point here I gotta turn it honors. I mean some big changes over there. Yeah that's my sense too. I feel like it's a cubs. Don't make the postseason this year like all bets are off even in the revamping of this team. What do you think yeah completely agree. You know what I mean. Obviously they make a change manager. You know maybe some of the coaches well well in a seem revamping that whole lineup where you know they go into winter telling teams. Hey pretty much everybody's available here. You know who got to trade in just to turn things around. 'cause you know maybe you're talking about the Colorado rockies and in Chicago cubs you know probably the two most disappointing being teams throw in the National League. I think the cubs would tell other teams. Havi your biases off limits. Wilson controllers is off limits. We'll talk about anybody else. Including quoting Anthony Resil- including Kris Bryant agree I agree I agree and I taste saying you'll let let's see we can do because this office is disjointed right now. In you know there there's no way they should be playing like this especially when they made all those trays at the trade deadline and worked out. I mean what would they be even without Castellanos. This guy just arrived. Let's double back a little bit on Yelich not that it's really that important. what do you think is does his chances chances for winning his second straight. Mvp why think kills it. I think he's got no chance now. That'd be hard pressing him. Get you know a single first place vote where before he was making a push. I still think it was you know bellinger's. MVP to lose particularly at the brewers hadn't made the playoffs. If the brewers had made the playoffs playoffs there have been a very close call but now I could easily see you know cody bellinger winning MVP pretty easily unless run don't hear so you don't make makes a final surge in you know it makes things interesting but I got a feeling now that reknowned may slip Paseo much injury. That's it's not getting as much attention. Byron Buxton to the twins wound up having shoulder surgery yesterday he's out for the rest of this year they of course lost Michael Pineda to a PD diuretic suspension the other day for the rest of the year. What do you think the impact of the bucks in Israel injury is on the twins imaginary counting on him just just because the in so beat up over the year in it was kind of fear like with this guy even come back yeah. It just starts to Pylon Pylon here. I mean it's still a very good ball club. certainly still win the central but you just wonder how in the world and they're. GonNa get past. The Yankees are Houston the first around that data partial hard to say yeah. That's one where you're talking about the brewers before. I think they could still make the playoffs but I can't imagine a scenario where they would ask actually have a chance to make it to the world series and I feel the same way with about the twins with us to superpower teams in front of them yeah. They're just too good good. Yeah you particularly Yankees then. It's just a mental thing. I mean you remember when you were coming the Yankees. They the twins can never beat them in several times. They had a better team in just a you know there was a blown save here or there miscues but it's almost in their head is my minding this. He didn't number difference in Yankees and twins over. Maybe starting in late nineties they they used to have their number so I want to ask you about a a situation that happened with the pirates yesterday cow creek one of their relievers required season ending surgery for his right index finger after his injured in a clubhouse house fight with fellow Reliever Reliever Felipe Vasquez. This is not the first incident involving Cow Creek or the pirates earlier this year the club suspended account Kayla for two games for arguing with coach. Their bullpen coach was suspended for two games. He had an altercation with creek. I'm sure you've heard the story about how a couple of players including creek were screaming at Rob Beer Temple. The beat reporter from the athletic was apparently very ugly in Kaelin. Creek were involved in a brawl which one in the fight that have with the Cincinnati reds eight some point thinking Kyle Creek better make better career decisions because he finishes this this year with a three seven record in a four point nine sixty era bob. Maybe he should avoid these types of things a little better. Yeah you can get away with with it when you're riding. I and the King of the pitching staff but you're right. I mean his personality. Just you know it. Kinda flew back in the day but not now You can't do those things before the you know the these Tapa guys in baseball you can do with them and now people. Aren't you know I was a little surprised and pleasantly that the virus came out and saying exactly what what caused the injury and everything else you know they're very transparent about it but with all these things that are going on you. You really wonder what's going to happen in Pittsburgh in this is in you know as a what kind of changes to make this is Huntington bag clint hurdle back. you know the two main things are happening in Pittsburgh. The one thing I would bet the family farm back in Vermont Towel Creek will not be on the two thousand twenty pirates. That's a good that's my guests on the day what do you. I think you're probably right. I mean just a You know what he wants to put up with that. You can put up with it. You know if you're a twenty game winner or saving forty games but you can't unless you're a you know a a a big time player on a team anyone or to you know kill kill trade value type type thing you're wondering when when when these guys do things just how does affect value because you know we put up with any more they used to but but anymore all right right. I want to ask you about what happened in Boston earlier this week. The after midnight firing of Dave Dombrowski of course the head of baseball operations for the Red Sox Fox here's Alex fear of the Boston Globe on Spain and company talking about the toxic championship or bus mentality around Boston sports. I do think that there is a championship or bus mentality that that follows all of the pro sports teams at this point. I mean it's ridiculous. It's it's incredible period of time they there's there's a the sense of you know of disappointment like it's it's really kind of a championship robust mentality. It's a really really difficult operating environment one that's they can be really challenging for players to be able to kind of maintain their sanity through and wasn't going to raise questions. I think some of the candidates who the Red Sox WanNa Pursue Adam Brusque's replacement I think it's still a very appealing job but the fact that they replaced to guy less than a year after a record setting season is going to raise. He's some very interesting questions about well. Okay then so what are your standards for success. And why are you going to tell me you're not going to fire me after x months on the job yeah when I covered the Yankees George Steinbrenner was the owner I referred to that as the Steinbrenner doctrine is that if you don't win the world series then you suck and that sort of situations nations developed around the red sox expectations from ownership there bob. What's your read on who could potentially be in line here for following. Dave Dombrowski head of baseball OPS still thinks it very appealing job and this goes past wins and losses a member simply wins losses Dave Dombrowski what had extension spring in training you know. Alex Cora got one. Dave Dombrowski wanted one and reaching out to Dave and may cause. He's very upset about it. You know he downplayed it but it was clear or you know I I in a ball more than wins and losses. You know maybe it'll come out. You know some day I keep hearing someone with red. SOx Routes I. I can't imagine Theo Epstein going back but the name doesn't go away. you know Mike in Arizona but I can't imagine max letting you know letting him interview there. even. Allard Baird was red SOx employ now. This isn't gm the mets but you keep hearing someone. That's going to be someone that they're very comfortable with that that used to work for the Red Sox sell. There's only out there. You know a lot of great names. You Know Jedi warriors a number two guy in Chicago so they will let him go 'cause then he'd be the top guy there with red sox. Dare give you a piece of Pie or some ownership to Theo Epstein to come back so I think they're going to go after the big dogs here I try to try to lure them back and he's Peter Gammons mentioned in the podcast yesterday. It's a fascinating is needing question when you're talking about the scene because when he left the Red Sox after two thousand eleven season. It was ugly like he was persona. Non Grata there as far as the red sox ownership was involved but you know over time I mean no. Nobody had uglier exit in Boston. The Manny Ramirez and he was brought back out to throw out the first pitch he was honored there and you do wonder is the red sox look ahead and they try to reshape the team and Sam Kennedy the president of Course Childhood Friends with Theo Epstein to me one. I think that if you're the red sox ownership you almost have an obligation to ask the cubs about the Oh and to ask has theo what he wants. I and I tell you what if he wants that job. If Tom Ricketts and Theo were to come to you and say you know what it's time for me to go back home home. I'd have a hard time standing away that given that he's gone to Chicago and he's really giving cubs what they were looking for. It feels I know the last few years have been disappointing for the cubs but it does feel like mission accomplished for what was brought there to do you agree with that. I I think they would let them go. I mean obviously it's it'd be a lateral move. He'd you have to get some kind of You may ownership stake in you know I think does want to own a team or be part of the ownership ranks you know with with the Red Sox rex granted to him and I think the Oh could sell it to Chicago people and Tom rickards by saying hey January's been gm before he can certainly do it. He Jason McLeod cloud together in Boston. I mean in San Diego as well so you know you're you're good hands here with with those two guys so yeah. I don't know if the Red Sox folks would step that far. You know give him a piece of team. You know it was like billy. beane has a small piece of the Oakland A.'s Yeah. What do you think the reaction would be if the red sox actually if John Henry Timewarner put the history aside an actually hand went to them and said look we want you back. I think it was you know ask a question saying okay along the contract on the highest paid. GM and baseball right now is good. Take something something thing more than just money here you know. Do I have full autonomy. Get I make a lot of movies I am. I involved more than just the baseball operations part part because you you know I I think they'll get gets bored. At times I mean he's already won the world series in Chicago. much better place than you were waiting. I got tare in in and see where it takes. I think if they can get a more at times more with the cubs but I think this be a new opportunity opportunity and I think anybody that knows. Theo knows that when this contract is up he's finally leaving Chicago anyway to go onto different things yeah. I think there would be two conditions to your points one essentially you know for lack of a better way to describe it a lifetime contract like. I don't think he would want to be there are and then be immediately be put on notice if they had a couple of bad years and to an option to buy the team whenever John Henry decides to sell the team. What do you think yeah. I I agree with you the option part you know certainly he's got a lot of friends in high places where they can raise the money yeah. Eddie better. You'll save time. Edry walks out or John Henry. You know I wonder jumps out. you know we can make a move here. in get steak because that's one thing you hear here from the friends that he would like to be in the ownership ranks that that would be the next step I thought it was gonna be left the cubs but yeah. I mean you. Maybe leave a couple years early all right Bob. Thanks for doing this great to talk with you. 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Both th th th that comes with good and bad news the good news is that of course off the market for the for the scores of eligible women that listen to this podcast. I've been dying to know that but it's bad news because she's a yankees. Fan and I like most people hate the Yankees. So the the good the thing is that she's much more passionate football fan than she is a baseball fan but her mother bought me a Yankees t shirt last year for Christmas and I frankly haven't worn at once yeah that that's a hard one like you have in the in laws gave me a shirt a team that you hate. I hope she did with a sense of humor. which even I think it was more? We're based around ignorance like Oh you like baseball. Here's my favorite baseball team so this is this is a football family as you can clearly tell but I don't have to massage my way through that one yeah and try. I know you had some thoughts on this. What is the total number of beers will be consumed by you. Hembo at the wedding. I need those kind of numbers. I don't know how many beers that I will consume but I'm sure my buddies will will break New Jersey. Here's the state records and pro pro probably get the municipality in trouble for some sort of noise complaint that that's the kind of friend I have for some reason engendered in my life but look I'll have. I'll have a full cavalcade of numbers for you in my week back from the from Aruba and I'm hoping to have a nice little son. Go with no buster how much you love spending time on the beach. Oh I just nothing better than sitting on the beach and just frying read now pretty bad. Just can't handle it. I've seen darker shades of milk. Frankly all right. You know enough insulting me. Let's get to this week's notes starts Walker Beulah who starts on Sunday baseball for the dodgers against the mets the dodgers staff includes the lease era leader on June review and perhaps the greatest starter of all time in Clayton Kershaw but Walker Bueller should be the dodgers game one starter in the postseason season and I'll give you three reasons why I buster pounds the strike zone Beulah ranked second among all qualifiers in strike percentage and percentage of pitches thrown in the strike zone as a result he was the fourth lowest walk rate in the League to he has multiple put away pitches beulah ranks eighth in fastball strikeouts but also has twenty plus strikeouts using curveball his slider and his cutter. He's the only pitcher in baseball with that distinction. Three is effectiveness does not Wayne late in games. Opponents are betting one ninety four four with a five sixteen opium against him after the sixth inning and given the dodgers bridge issues in the bullpen that as a welcome sight and if there was a statistic for confidence he'd be running all other players in baseball Nevada Walker exactly that one hundred percent. He has a lot a lot of confidence and I suspect we'll be hearing from on Mondays podcast. The Houston Astros are beginning. Take control this race for the best record in baseball with those big run totals on Sunday and Monday when he got on the asteroid. They got pummeled yesterday but they are finishing off a three year run buster. The likes of which we have rarely seen I Houston is five five wins away from its third consecutive one hundred win season the last team to pull that off was the Yankees from two thousand to two thousand four secondly the Astros own own differential. You'll of plus seven hundred over the last three seasons that would be the best more a three year span since the cardinals from nineteen forty two to forty four and lastly only one team in the modern era which dates to nineteen hundred as measured twenty percent above average by era plus and plus that team was the nineteen twenty seven Yankees and buster the twentieth nineteen astros are on pace to do just that are and I know that the baseball's different but at the same wow that that that is a great statistic and you WanNa talk about a particular padre the padres play on ESPN tonight without the most important player the franchise has developed in years and that of course is Fernando taty junior consider this San Diego averaged four point six runs per game with him in the starting lineup but only four without him only the marlins and Tigers Tigers have averaged fewer over the course of the season. He's that kind of important. The lineup further only three players have produced a slugging percentage greater than his in a season at the age of twenty or younger. Those three players are Mel Ott Alex Rodriguez and Ted Williams. I've really really really wish for our. I think this is one of the very few broadcasts we have of the padres on our air tonight. I still wish he was playing yeah. No kidding well have fun at your wedding. I would give you the same advice I give a to a lot of folks who are going to be newlyweds. Make sure insists that tell everybody who's at your wedding. Put Away your personal issues. Today is my day okay but you know what that's how you knew every joining the show voice sermon is a columnist for the New York postseason analysts for the MLB network Joel how you doing today. I'm doing buster yourself. I'm doing great and of course terrible news last night about Christian. Yelich show with Bob Nightingale about that situation and just a quick question for you is someone who's voted on awards in the past do you think in the end that this winds up costing in the the MVP. I certainly think it could if you remember the narrative. Last year is a strong finish by hand really galvanized knives sealed the deal it was probably pretty close one into with bellinger on the other hand like sheer coincidence on the nice that this happened to to Yelich bellinger's dodgers clinched the NFL west so his playing time we'll be consistent down the stretch for him him to keep adding numbers and as much as we've become a very analytical world to me buster. A lot of voters are still swayed by narrative. What does it mean if Arizona was to sneak in and Catamarca had a great two and a half weeks. What would it mean. Ah Washington which teams in a dominant position to go ahead and galvanize it or Anthony Rangoon so while these other players could continue to you add to both their storyline and their stat line for the season unfortunately for the brewers and really the whole sport. 'cause he's such a great player. Yelich just won't be able to keep doing that this season and then last nationally player to win back-to-back. MVP's Albert pools two thousand eight in two thousand nine you you and your colleague Kevin Kern and had a piece earlier this week about Noah syndergaard of the mets which is primarily why I wanted to have you on to talk about that how he had had lobbied to the man's been upset at the mets recently because he had been paired with Wilson. Ramos is catcher statistically. He's performed much better with other other catchers. Wilson Ramos doesn't have a great reputation as the defensive catcher but he's a terrific offensive player and so there was a back and forth on that here was no noah. Oh syndergaard yesterday responding to your report performers whole idea that we had a live. I was livid with the conversation that's completely awesome very cordial conversation about the matter as far as Wilson another respect for the guy doesn't change our relationship editing between one another he buses every day sidearm but my only concern over dialogue with Front Office and coaching stab commercial frustration why these extreme splits with different catchers moreover matters with on me as I'm and working on becoming more consistent with her to be so joe. Where do you think understands now well. I think it will be interesting. I believe he starts again on Friday. Who we get this situation he can we could play semantic games games but this didn't occur over the last week he has been upset earlier in the season when he was matched up with Rama's in May in June he had a game against the cardinals where he did not pitch well in the cardinal stole five bases on him and he was very coast why believe going up at that point and saying something and he ended up on the injured list were two weeks with a hamstring injury and when he came back magically his next seven sorts were with Thomas Neo catching him and by the way he had his best run of the season and by the way the mets got back into contention behind the a lot of things but namely they're very strong starting pitching pitching well including him pitching well and then Rama's as as you mentioned he is a good hitter. He's probably been there right there with Alonzo and McNeil their best hitter in the second half and he started to mix back in with syndergaards syndergaard had maybe the worst of his career would Rama's behind the place the cubs and then we had last weekend where the mets had nice game Nike Day game and as soon as he saw that Nido was i. I was catching a second straight night game. it was Ronald Friday night. They need on Saturday for Stroman. He recognized that we're never going to bench roundnose for a second straight day because of that he was upset asset we could call it upset leather frustrated but it's a season long simmer and she went to management and so why not. I mean if you're gonNA take place this week and it's not day game after night game why not just have Ronald Petromin and you know and then Romo scored him and he didn't pitch particularly well on Sunday. Day and you know here we are I would say big picture. This is not unfamiliar we we the there are pitchers who don't care and we'll call it on game out there and just set off the target and there are pitchers who care a lot most famously. Maybe Matic's right. WanNa put your hobby or Lopez and you know Eddie Perez was his guy but I wouldn't even point to a a real similar situation on a championship team in two thousand nine the Yankees had situation where Aj Burnett very much syndergaard type Paul Right Hander you WanNa go blondes blondes very talented but never met match with Jorges who is a Wilson Romo's like catcher in that up the lead with this offense and and the pictures had real problems with them and his backup was Jose Molina very much in the Rene Rivera Honest Neto Mold and Burnett likes to pitch to him and and Joe Girardi had a very the manager of that team had to make a very difficult decision facade as opposed to almost was the champion important person on the Yankees. He's in the clubhouse at that point and important person in their history and you know what he did for the better of the picture and the team match up Molina with Burnett including thing in playoff game sitting or hey facade and he got the best of Burnet in that postseason and I know people say shut up and do your job but the idea is unique to maximize the performance of your players especially your best players and I wonder if Mickey Callaway Inbr- bandwagon and the mets simply give something that comforts this particular pitcher and give him the catcher. He wants the rest of the way when pretty much they have to get close to winning out yeah. I that's what I think they should look as you mentioned that there's lots of precedents for this before. Aj Burnett there was David McCone back in the ninety s with facade a few years ago when the dodgers moved on from Aj ls they basically split them apart from Clayton in Kershaw and I talked to yesterday and the podcast about how the general manager at the time said look if Clayton kershaw wanted his uncle to catch him. I will let him do that if he thought that made him better two thousand sixteen John Lester David Ross at a time when Wilson controllers was young up and coming clearly more talented catcher and I am going to be curious about what happens on Friday because this late in the season yeah you give syndergaard whatever he wants. He's the most important guy in that giving game. What do you think's GonNa Happen. I think he's going to get what he wants. Because you know the catching as other physicians even this late the season you really can't play a guy incident round and play them every day and the we we we're much more sophisticated we we actually have numbers and it's not just the matchup numbers which show like Syndergaard how much higher era with Rama if he has a much higher ups with Ronald Doc. It's just go to Rama's framing numbers there among the worst in the sport his ability to get syndergaard steph pitches thinking fast all Ramaphosa is a bigger catchers. Probably there is right now in the major wreath artery him to sit low. Get that pitch called consistently where Rivera and Nito you do so you know the the problem of course is like he matched up Neto with stroman because stroman pitches also twist the right into sinker slider guy and you probably want a guy who could help at the bottom of the zone. This was the problem with getting almost in the first place. He's a designated hitter earth dressed up as a catcher in leave without a d. age and so you were always going to in in time where it's more difficult for teams to start non defensive catchers because people are paying more attention to it. The mets went out and made a two year investment in this forgive me for the one this is this is part of the drama and soap opera with the message also right. Rudy van wagon gave a two year contract from Seattle. Obviously wants to use this conversely. Noah syndergaard is very aware that breathing wagon which grams agent last year and last year encourage Jacob Rob who wanted to throw to Rocco that he had to have to go into Mickey callaway and say I want to pitch the Devon Measure Rocko. I picked Beth gave them Devon Mess Rocco in twenty one of his last twenty five star and he's one of the young award and so like Birdie wagon has has now moved on to the other side of the table and it's probably feels to Syndergaard at least a little hypocritical if you come in and say this is going to be Clair's first administration which is what Rudy said that when a player comes up and says this is what I need to be successful you save now. I got to your contract. He's the catch one hundred percent and look. I definitely want to get you back at some point to dive more into the met situation because as soon as you would assume assume there's a good chance they're not. GonNa make the playoffs as soon as that happened man. They got. They are going to have a mess on their hands but we'll get to that another day a minute. Go tell me what you're what you read is on the red. SOx Situation the red sox situation to me US there. I'm not a conspiracy served by nature but the way this is handled there has to be more to this story than meets the eye because to dismiss this is Dave Dombrowski after midnight of a nationally televised game your game on ESPN with all with the biggest libel in town which means the The New York media is how there's a wraparound game on Monday which is the New York group is still going to be there and whenever you think of as the umbrella penis tactics and they more well known why was hired they bench Harrington the previous. GM can take the ball on the red zone into the zone with that group. They wanted a finisher. They they saw this guy would be a guy he would spend the money would spend the prospect capital and he would go for by the way he spent the money. He spent the prospect capital. If finish I I and I the third time time was the charm they wanna championship. They step back this year. They're near future now. Little more cloudy to me. A mature ownership group comes out and says exactly that hey we switch switch from Ben Today because we thought that was the kind of caretaker we'd we believe we need a different kind of care. T. Shirts to clean up our face and to clean up our payroll and we're GONNA go. Oh there we own the Boston. Globe we believe in being honest and whatever how do you not hold a press conference with this how you put it all on how its core unless you're not telling me something a- and you don't want to tell the public something again. I don't believe the first series maybe it's all just that they are cowards and they're not countable but to to me buster. I'm sitting here going wait for is there another shoe and Ali and it's going to draw yeah. I agree with you. I thought it was totally. Gutless us that the the ownership of that team wasn't there at the press conference especially for someone of dembosky stature. He deserved that and certainly the fan basis urban explanation joy. Look forward to talk with you again. Thanks for doing this own right great bustard because we're tired of getting yelled. Matt for somebody else's work biased and would rather get yelled at for the stupid stuff that we do in this is why the Seattle Mariners will play in the two thousand in sixteen world series. Oh what a loser. This is the baseball tonight tower ten yeah I know last night was ugly for the Astros but I think after what they did on Sunday and Monday that we're going to agree at the top of the power ten troy. I've got the Astros at one. I've got the Yankees to. We'll get the dodgers at three. What about you. I also agree astros at one after your offensive performance as we've seen and just I can't get over how good verlinden coal are to dodgers three Yankees. I've got four braves my son thankfully you know I have to live under the same roof as him and he would have gone nuts if I hadn't done better because they have been playing lying well of late the twins having lost Buxton got him at number five. I've got the cardinals at number six seemingly now in control the National League central okay. I've got the braves at at four wins at five agree there. I'm not ready to move the corals up that high yet. I still have Tampa Bay at six. Yeah and you have to tip your cap to what the razor doing. I've got them at seven. Oakland eight Indians nine nationals ten. What about you. How about that so all right so we're the exact same ten teams so. I've got the raise at six the as its seven cardinals at a Indians at nine nationals at ten. Where'd you put the Rangers on your list. I hope they're not like ten or something and didn't make the cut. I mean tough false. The raise last night had its swum favor. They might have sneaked in this week but here we are here. We are bleacher tweets the poster a few weeks or tweets four you wanted to continue the conversation about Dave Dombrowski. Here's the tweet from PK Steinberg at Steinberg. Andy macphail was hired by the phillies. He's a few weeks before. Dombrowski was hired by the Red Sox Dombrowski WANNA world series and was fired. Should the phillies move on mcphail. What I hear is John. Middleton send who of course is the head Honcho of the Phillies is evaluating things because even if they make the playoffs this year. Let's face it. They have not performed to the expectation of what the phillies lease ownership thought be going to the last two years. They spent a lot of money giving up a lot of resources and they haven't exactly taken off next one comes from Houston at Houston. Ken With Your Don Alvarez. Impede Alonzo looking like winners of rookie of the year. Which one would you prefer as a building block for your teen. Houston is a great question and I have not been around the Astros in the last month or so to ask questions about how Alvarez in clubhouse. I hear the great things about his acumen. He asked a lot of questions he can make adjustments and that's great. I think probably would go with Alonso because he can play in the the field more readily. He's become a good defensive. You know an average defensive first baseman based on his work and I know this I mean he's already is accepted is basically basically the leader of that clubhouse. He yesterday troy was doing research on to get ready for Sunday night. Baseball this week got the dodgers playing at city field like Pete Alonso in Highschool one leadership award and then when he was a college won the leadership award he was National Honor Society member like this is part of who he is. He's being a guy right in the middle of a team. No matter who you choose for this answer it seems like both teams will love these guys for years to come next one cousin Jeremy Jeremy Tear meany Jeannie with three weeks left in the regular season. What are the chances that to. NFL teams not currently in playoff positions sneaking wildcards. Milwaukee and Arizona had the easiest remaining remain schedules and I think they pass both the nationals and cubs. What say you buster now. I think the nationals are GonNa make it but I don't think the cubs are like I think the fact that they have to face the cardinal seven seminal last ten games will take them down and as I was talking about with Bob Troy Man I I mean you could basically just go into that room and just say you know what we're we're. GonNa rip this thing up and we're going to turn this over yeah. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the cubs and their future last tweet from nome at nome eighty-nine staying in Chicano but on the other side the white sox the AL leaders in banning in RBI a starter will pick up some cy young votes and the Minor League player of the year. Are you buying what what is being built on the south side. Yes sort of there's no question they're making progress. I do think that they need a cash injection so to speak of a major free agent. I think Jerry Reinsdorf recognized that which is why he had some cursory conversations of Bryce Harper actually made a pretty good offer to Manny Machado. There was a time when the White Sox I actually think that they would land him and I think this winter they could be a landing place for one of the big free agents. I look forward to the day I get cash injection but until then keep sending me or bleacher tweet every morning use the Hashtag bleacher tweets. 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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 847  Trade Craziness

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 847 Trade Craziness

"Welcome to the sleeper in the bus podcast I'm Justin Mason joined by Jason Jason How you doing. I'm doing well on what is turning out to be a very busy Sunday morning for acquisitions and trades around baseball. I mean, we have made five adjustments to the rundown in the last ten minutes yet. We're actually Kinda lucky distort like about an hour later than we normally do and had you not. We would have been like just doing the breaking news little thing every two minutes because in the last few minutes we've had I think three or four trades. Go Down and Major League baseball and the deadlines tomorrow. So it's like this isn't even like the deadline stuff Paul and I'll still have a ton of stuff to cover on Tuesday but between now trades and Fab and just general news. Yeah. We've got just a Crapton to cover right now. Yeah, I was. Advance Alert I was on the H. Coupon guests for Patrick Davin. So that'll be dropping. I think Friday so you'll get to hear Wyatt however us a little but it worked out well So we have plenty to talk about and some of the As baseball tried to get things wrapped up before the trade deadline and we're going to get to a bunch of those trade talks But let's start off with some closer news. I think Paul in Martinez talked about this on. On Thursday but Joe Jimenez is out as the Detroit Closer Greg. Soto got the save last night I. Know You're a big rig soda guy and so that's why I want to talk about this How much how much you to put towards five if you need closers in. Either al or mix leaks at this point by because that's a category you can move and you can make some movement and so I pay interest at these guys come up on paying for it it hurts me in labor because I had Soto and I had to cut him a couple of weeks ago. Do this roster machinations in it hurts. But I have soda in other leagues and I have Jose Cisneros on Mike. I'm not sure I believe that SORTA got it. Last night 'cause scenario had pitched night before I. Don't know which way it's going to go. But so has been working like seventh and eighth and so was scenario I cut I, cut bait on. Jimenez. A week ago and I, put scenario in for him. So I was a week ahead of this because I was like, yeah, this is over five saints was fun but the ratios were just a disaster he had to get lost. So it's nice. They had a they made the move. To get that done. Yeah I think it'll probably be a committee of sorts. Sotos just the best pitcher in that bullpen right now, and so I think he's obviously the guy you want him being the Left E. Hurts a little bit of the do have two other left. He's in that Penn south end up wanting just go to soda fulltime think they have that ability? but it's GonNa be hard because we're going to also talk about Richard Rodriguez later on the show it's like how many saves are you really going to get out of the Tigers rest? The way that that becomes difficult question indeed indeed could be to be to be three. But it moves the needle inside be ticket. Look you take a look at the categories in your league I. Mean we we make jokes about this but yeah, take a look at the categories year leagues and see where things are mouth ball pull up because I made a trade for Brad hand and Labor but the saves category Larry Scheckter running away with the as twenty two saves. But then here's the rest of it. Thirteen two teams at eleven ten, two teams at nine, eight, seven, five, it's like that, and then there's two and one. But like anywhere from the seven, there's half over half the league bunched up within six saves. So that's where the needle moves and. If. You can make make an acquisition they're like. All right. Let's go ahead and do it So yeah, we joke around about two or three states but two or three saves couldn't wait your league. Yeah, and that is the that is the truth right there because they know like even one of my main events you know I'm way out, of Fred in in saves but in the other one, like we're middle of the pack and I, think we've got thirteen saves and there's like three or four guys who as you know Inbetween you know twelve in fifteen saves and that can move us three or four points in the League which is going to be huge so. Yeah I think yeah. You just have to be aggressive on on The question is to another team in the division we've got Trevor Rosenthal gets traded to San Diego for Edward Oliveros who closes in Kansas City this another committee situation or is a guy that stands out to you. Good point because the. But even this morning the look at the, there's a tweet, a reporter Mike. Matheny. WHO's GONNA. Close. He's like maybe Colin Maybe Jesse Hahn he's got. Barlow maybe John I duNno, it's like great. Thanks. But if this was a pure stuff argument, we know as Josh dominant. I mean. The guys just been throwing gas in my favorite stat with him right now though like he's still walk issues to his his whip is one point three two, which is exactly double his point six, six era That's the thing is buddy striking out so many guys walks like at whatever. But pure stuff. Wise. It would be his job but I mean, this is Mike metheny. They could have just give it to Greg Holland because Greg Holland has had the job before or Greg Holland could be traded during this podcast. Or Jesse. Hahn. The curve ball is always been a thing. I mean Jesse Hahn was a former raise prospect has moved around the league. The always pitched with the Oakland San Diego and now he's health, but he's had a ton of our problems. Now he's backing looked good yesterday curve has always been a great pitch for him and that was a good pitch but yet it could be anybody. But again, we're talking about three saves. But we would hope that it's the Guy and and that's what would hold true as they. They were given the job to the same guy. They gave it to Rosenthal and he did his job before he got traded, which was a great trade for them to take a guy they picked up off the street and tournament Edward Oliveras who? Everyday outfielder for them This is the second time they've made a deal with San Diego to get somebody. Hopefully, they get more production they got out of Frenchie Cordeiro before he got hurt but love this trade for Kansas City from a a baseball perspective, and this is the kind of trades they should be making. They've got different options With like Mike with the nail down and say that's going to be my guy. So you may have to spread Jerus- because Jesse Hahn probably out there for the taking and mostly even an Colin take a shot see which one does it, and then you can cut him next week if he he didn't have the job this week. And apparently their members of the royals organization that are pretty high on varies. He is in the the alternate training site right now. But they're hitting coach Rusty conce was of very, very interested in -taining him and actually suggested that that's who they trade. They traded with San Diego and gave me the opportunity to say Rusty Consad. Sandy. I was just going to take you just WanNa read that news for the. Reason they did that. Another trade we've got draw dyson went to the white sox earlier. This week is seeking to get enough playing time in Chicago to matter at all even nail only. Yes why think here's the thing? Is he he becomes an AOL only just looking going back to what I was talking about with saves, apply it to steal. So let's let me talk about the steelers perspective in labor. Somebody's running away with twenty six deals are two teams at nineteen, two teams at Eighteen Sixteen fifteen fourteen three teams thirteen now dyson just in a pinch running capability. It's like, okay. Amblin Akashi own as he normally does starts heating up in the second third month season lasts that bad he gets on base you pinch run for him with Dyson dyson steals based like deicing could have five steals Russia the way even if he doesn't play every day he just in. A pinch running capability he could have five steals that moves the needle. So in an AOL, only four man have to play enough to run now here's the thing. The white sox are next to last of eight steals as an entire team eight, they're tied with the cardinals who played who have a lot fewer games played. The twins have just don't run because they don't want the outs, but between the white sox twins combined fifteen stolen bases mayors thirty seven. Those teams don't even running. So it's like if you're trying to look at tendency, the white sox just aren't built like that because there are softball team and and the twins are as well. But this gives them that weapon they can use late innings and say, okay, like here's here's the thing. Let's say I. Don't have that plays out. Let's say you're a two game and you have to outs in the ninth inning and you you're the. Day You hit with Jarrod Dyson who's probably GONNA get out anyhow. But now an extra innings he's now the leadoff runner second base in the tenth inning because scorn anything you know it's like you have they've got a tool they can play with your and he can still run steel basis and so for me it the White Sox at eight steals he's GonNa move the needle here and an Ale only format I'm going to bid on him he's in my town strategy because talent my offense is so ungodly bad because of all the injuries and even Dea And Har not, panning out the Oh and I you know I pay three, eighty, six for Cordeiro. He hurt it's like I have planted everything but steals I'm going to bet on Jarrod dyson throwing when my lineup because he can move the needle for me and steals as I try to get the sixty points and talent I don't care about him not playing 'cause I'm not GonNa make up those points I can't do it anyhow, but he can move the needle and steals. That's where I need them. I don't think he's mixed league. Worthy. Really any format knowing we'll. We'll move on. Talk about a Franklin Baretto, my old buddy. Just never been able to get playing time since being traded to Oakland has now been traded to the angels where he will not get any playing time up but he was traded for Tommy La Stella which is interesting I. I thought he was like Madden's boy. So I'm surprised that they were willing to jettison him out What are your thoughts on this trade? You these guys interesting interested you. Now Honeywell. Masella. Moving and I mean he's should be hitting. Trying to look at the lineup because I mean, Oakland's done. Well, the the crazy thing to me as opens Dunwell and Marcus Siemian leave off. He's not twin. His production has been way down in that role and yet they have the second best record, the American League, and so to me it's like I would like to see the Stella just leading off and send me a move down the lineup right now I didn't even go with a semi-in with a stellar Grossman and then put semi down. Let him hit his way back up at his it'll be terrible And so I'd like I'd like to move here not like not like with Stella was having any issues with with run support behind him and in La, but I think this helps this helps the guys behind Stella. Scotty in the Matt's this should help him with with with Stella base in front of them because that helps with their production. So I'd like it from that perspective I don't think it changes will stelle the player I. Think it helps the guys behind the more with Burrito it gives them a chance to play to see if his athleticism COMPLA- out in. La I have no idea how that team is eleven and twenty two but is Brad Johnson tweeted out this morning. They should be so much better and it's like again Mike Trout we're not gonNA see him in the postseason and what else are they going to do is still Bundy GonNa get traded here but I that's where I'm at it's an opportunity for Brady to do something but I don't think it impacts More of an impact down the lineup for Oakland. Than it is anything else I. Don't know how the Angels Are Twelve and twenty two and I don't know how the athletics are twenty, two and twelve. No injuries. That really that's the thing that had to pitching injuries all year that's that's been the magic is everybody else in the League is suffering through injuries and they're not yep AJ PUCK is not back Aj puck in Berks met bats it those who they're pitching injuries every. Tampa Bay's got twelve Oakland has to. Keep your guys healthy and their bullpen is just a bird smits bend the only loss. Yeah I mean I'm not trying to like shit on the as at all I I thought they were really good team coming in, but like Frankie Montas has really struggled as of late Sean, Mnay has struggled most of your mic fires has been you know Mike fire whatever Markelle. Simeon has struggled Ramon Laureano has struggled like they've got just like these key contributions from guys like Robbie Grossman and Steve Biscotti and. It's just surprising to me that they are just running away. Well, I guess Astros of know started to close the gap a little bit. The haven't played a game in like what like a week or something like that seems. And and that's and they're going to have the as and Astros are postponed somebody in Oakland, positive Kobe tests of invaders and upland player Oakland player. And so that's going to impact a couple. You figure that's going to impact at least tomorrow and you know maybe two or three games So that's happening to. Definitely be aware of that if you're playing in weekly or biweekly games like NFC. All right. One of the traits that happened recently is that Mitch Moreland Trade he was sent over to San Diego a Barbie doll. Bach. A top prospects in Boston brought up to replace him on the roster What do you think the impact here of Mitch Moreland is to San Diego Negative idea. We're. We're actually talking about this on the on the H. podcast literally came through as we were rapid as we're wrapping up as one of the last things we talked about will you try to look it's not like San Diego was having run production problems. Run Prevention problems was more of their issue, but it's like you're trying to look through it and say, okay, what's going to happen here? Maybe it's It's a matter of he's GonNa play. He's takeover Josh Naylor's role and just be the DEA because you eric not moving and they have that's really where it's going to combat. She just going to be a full-time d. h. against at least against the righty pitchers. So that's where it goes. So if anything it's a I think it's a slight. Dang on him only because the change in and scenery because he again when you get to play in the a-list and your home ballpark is what it is and you're and the road parks are what they are That's certainly that certainly gonNA help and he's been unbelievable this year Moreland and so. and. You figure when he comes up if he's GonNa hit, he's GonNa move up to maybe six spot and maybe shove krona worth down. So you take you put more than six and then colonel or or profile cromer takes a spot down. So they have some red left right left right instead of back to back left he's like that. But if anything, that's a slight decrease for Moreland. The doll back could come up and do this last year they've done a lot of work with him At the miners and shaves came up, ended an immediate impact on that roster obviously has a lot of power and they're gonNA give them a chance to play every day and see what happens you struggled to hit for average But Dude has power and what else do they have to lose him Boston so I think he comes up and plays every day and if you're hurting run production, you give it a shot and see what happens. Bobby Daubach is a street power play. RBI is home runs. That's that's his. That's his Mo the question like you said, we'll be he will strike out too much to make a difference Dave Kingman, Baby Yup so If. You're looking for power nail only bobby. Daubach is going to be the guy you want to go. You know I agree with you I think this kind of hurts Moreland long-term. I'm surprised they got with the got in the trade because the prospects going over I believe if I can pull it up our hud was Hudson head is a guy I like a lot but It's Yeah. I don't know that this helps moral I guess only he's GonNa be one of the big bids tonight. So that'll that'll be. Interesting I don't have enough fathom. Tau Nl even tear traded Fab this morning for Michael Wocka. Fab I've left so. I actually liked Michael Walker the rest of the way I do too I one hundred dollars thousand of the two, hundred, seventy, eight left. If you go to the stack cast and do it expected stat and loggins like Michael Walker is he should. He's pitching better than a results show. Like look like, yeah that looks like he's I will take on opposite inexpert from Dallas Kaikal GYCO. And you look at Walker your like your time to take another shot of I I just wish I was nationally where it made a damn. I think he has all this year. I think he's got to step this week too. So definitely a guy that in D. performance, you're going to want to take a look at I'm double checking that as I speak. So yeah, he are. Now he's got he's you know Wednesday start this week, which means a have to step next week what it is. So all right let's go ahead and move on over to another trade that is been finalized. This morning Tommy Malone has been sent for two players to be named later. Which means they aren't in sixty man player pool for Atlanta any interest in malone moving over to Atlanta? No he's pitched incredibly while this year with especially with the change of the ways played at our buddy Alex fast was on the mass and broadcast yesterday talking about it What's fascinating to me about Tommy Malone see three, four, five, six, seven that's eight organization in ten years. MINNESOTA. Washington met Seattle Baltimore Walkie now Atlanta eight organizations in ten years. I feel like I'm missing somebody there to but that's the that's where e the Guy, hopefully? He just rents. Apartment doesn't buy houses anywhere because if you are out but he he was pitching successfully in a bad run environment, I mean what's really been impressed with this year's thirty one to four strikeout-to-walk ratio and yet he doesn't. He doesn't. He barely registers on a radar gun, but he's doing the whole Tom. glavin thing of fastballs in fastballs away changeups off the fast ball as it's been a obscene pitch, I think twice against the race obscene. This entire outings eight just keeps dudes off balance and in a league where everybody is trying to pull fastballs and he's just refusing to throw him in fastball counts it. That's where that's where he's having his success and I think it'll work. As he gets a stay state within the same division and you he should get some a better run support on things and better defense I. Mean it's not like is not like the orioles played great defense and so he's helped out with that in Atlanta. Yup and I mean the Short Parchin right field is. Won't be as big of a concern for him. Being, lefty. So I'm I'm deathly intrigued in NFL only I think he's probably already rostered in the mix leagues where he's viable there but I think I mean this seems like a season where everybody needs pitching right? There's just been so many injuries. So many blow ups that if Malone's available in your league. He should. He should probably be picked up. Let's see what do they have next week they have Boston and Washington so. That is not necessarily teams you need to run away from. The not get back to like the whole Lance Lynn traverse. Somebody was saying I think maybe it was Rosenthal was saying that. The Rangers may be able to get one top one, hundred prospect data him like really know they'll get more than. To me when I looked at it, I tweeted out yesterday by by F. War. Only, Jacob degrom has been better than Lance Lynn starting last year. Lance Lynn has been Haas and it's been pitching with off the fastball as much as he is. And he's only do ten million from now until the end of next season but when he can free agent against. Whatever I I will pay that. You know I'll give to top one hundred prospects that I have a deep organization whatever I love for Tampa Bay to make that deal. Because again, he's the guy that I wanted them to give them. They end up giving Charlie Morton but lynn was my primary pitching target heading into the two thousand nineteen sees and that's the guy that I wanted to choir they gave the morten it's worked out well obviously but they can go then take some of this. organizational death and go get that guy because every other pitcher they have is falling apart I'm happy with it. Go ahead and do it. They're going to be too many buyers and not enough sellers and how active things already been I've been saying this for a few weeks now like. The amount there with the expanded playoffs, there's just too many teams that are competing for a playoff spot. There is there are rumors today that the giants are going to be buyers at deadline. Like that is insane stupid and insane. So. Yeah. No I. Mean. They're gonNA there's GonNa be a team that overpays for a guy like lance land especially considering he's not a rental get him for another year. And like you said, he's just been fantastic. So I'm I don't buy this. He'd only he owned he might get a top one, hundred prospect. That's that's ridiculous to me. Let's. Let's move away from the trades for now and talk about Jordan Romano who heads to the I l in he had been closing in Toronto's the question becomes who closes in Toronto. I. It's a shame because man he has looked I so impressed with what I've seen that of Romano. That's the that's the sad thing he'd like to me looks so good in what he was doing and so WHO CLOSES IN TORONTO? I can't even. I got the answer for you. It's going to be Ken Giles. Ken Giles is working his way back I mean. Rafael delays I to save the other night and Expand up and is coming back at the forearms going to be okay. Then great you know that he was obviously, it'd be the next guy up I, mean. He opened the other day but the guy that I've been most impressed with her we talked about last week Julia Mary weather and then he opened this weekend looked really good in his opener role to and so he's got stuff there too. But Giles is gonNA, come back. That is easy answer and Elise looked good in his role. But again, I I liked what I saw Jillian Mary weather in his opening appearances week as well. Yeah I don't think I would invest too strongly in either bass or to lease I mean unless they are virtually free which they might be a few leagues you can you know try to get a few saves in the meantime but Giles working his way back I don't think that this is going to be. One of their jobs for very long. So I wouldn't worry too much in also wouldn't surprise me to see the Blue Jays, go out and get some more bullpen help at the deadline. So I mean there are team that seemingly right in the mix after released slow start in Van. Grass. Has Them as a seventy, five percent chance to make the playoffs. So is I. Think they'll be a team that's probably active at the deadline. Let's. Let's talk about the last trade so far until more traits happened during the podcast and that's Jose Martinez to Chicago which makes you sad, Jason. So does make me sad because I wanted temp mater require this guy for quite some time and they have them and then he Frankly hasn't performed as I hope the of what else do you want but a a friend of mine on Twitter Steve Consultant makes good point. They acquired him because division was supposed to be full of lefty starting pitching and is not sale out Rodriguez out. Different. Lefty starting pitching is down and that's his strength Martinez sizes reputation and well-earned. If you look at his numbers hits lefty pitching well but it comes with a penalty of he doesn't play defense anywhere. And he is an issue on the base pass you lose some flexibility and. If. You've watched Tampa Bay or follow him. You know they valued flexibility defense running and they've got a few types of that of Choi who serviceable at first base But you got to pinch run forum at Sugo who is air quotes serviceable in the field. But you gotTa Pinch Run Forum and Yanni D. as who is air quotes serviceable in the field Throws while but can't move and you've got to pinch run for him and they have a number of these types. You know they make the trade for Brett Phillips, the other day, and now he's gotTa go through a testing at everything to get. So maybe a few days for he gets to the team and so they're clearly looking for some more flexibility at lettuces. Overall team has struggled offensively when they're not facing Boston or Toronto in Buffalo Yeah. That's where they've been able to do really well but they're scoring just enough runs. But one thing that's been particularly painful as lefty starting pitching I mentioned Tommy Malone those types of outings. That's where know those types of guys that have heard them Martinez was supposed to fix that and he has and so they need some Rosser flexibility and slave trade him for two guys to be named later, and they move up randy arose arena who gives them a a more athletic outfielder that they can use these pinch running situations for Four Choy and four Diaz enforces go. Later in. Games because right now it's been like a lot of hunt renfro pinch running for these guys and on ramp has got but that's been the pinch-runner because many Margot's been playing a lot in the normally you would think about him being the guy, but he's hitting a very well since coming back from bereavement list with his father passing away you have to think that was weighing on him early on. But that's where they lost that particular skeleton. They need more guys and that's one of the reasons why they acquired Rosa arena was for that particular thing and they're viewing that is now in fact, they call them up today on the on the active roster. Let's I mean does before we talk about Margot on a little bit more detail this Jose Martinez moved the needle in NFL only. if he could start hitting better that's the hit he wasn't wasn't making the most of his opportunity. So I don't think he moves the needle. In only take you know obviously he's crossing never you WanNa take a shot at him but he wasn't. He just hasn't been hitting well this year in the in the irregular playing time he was receiving from Tampa Bay. Yeah. Probably shortsighted platoon at the H. position they're in Chicago. So that is what it is. Let's talk more about anymore go who like you said has been hot as of late does this mean he's actually going to continue to get more run while he's hot could he carve in a fulltime role at some point? Think he can. He has been they obviously, they need the help and doing it. He's been I made an acquisition for him homely yesterday. So. Again, his numbers were so terrible early on I mean really really bad and then he went away his father passed away. He came back and then he's been red hot since then in the bats, the bats better and even the defense and that that's what was really keeping him off the field the defense was bad too he comes he came with a reputation of being a good fielder, but his reads good. I thought maybe some of that was just Tropicana field. Is being rough on him. But. He's had. He's had some issues in out. Right but he's supposed to be the insurance policy for when Kevin Cure Meyer guy gets. When when he gets hurt But now they have phillips who can also do the same thing. So the they've making this focus now on turning what was a plotting overall team, and now they've got a rose arena and Phillips Margot and Cure Meyer. So like the there seems like the changing focus within the season here but it maybe whoever's hot is going to be in a lot of right now that's Margot. Yeah he's sitting three, hundred, three, sixty, four, four, twelve on the season and I mean, the hard part is he's just not GonNa get the everyday playing time in Tampa that he would likely get at other places and I think people kind of forgotten. This was a top fifty prospects even top twenty prospect. I. Think at some places. Especially for fantasy because of the speed he's got I think he becomes roster bowl een fifteen mix leagues as long as he's getting run because he can't be a difference maker in that stolen base department and like you mentioned earlier like that's where you can really move a needle fast. In. The standings are right now. So I actually have some bids on him in a few and if see leagues not playing any ill only so I don't have them there. But definitely a guy that just gotTa Kinda ride it while it's hot, but it's GonNa be frustrating because over look at. The Tampa, Bay Rosser resource page and there's a lot of platoon going on right now a ton of it and and really it comes down to you know what they're going to be able to do. The. Lamb, we talked about it before the season though is like when we said Okay here it's Austin Meadows in its Willie Adamas as your every day players after that, it's all bets are off and that's really how it's played on although Brandon has been left in every day at a necessity and Yanni as with most part but it is it is a platoon situation true and true Brosseau hitting against lefties. But this is this is how the team is being. House is played out exactly how we thought it would. Today. We said it would be running back by committee type of situation to borrow the the fantasy football, and it's exactly how it's played out that we talked about it at length coming into the season's is why I was pretty much avoiding everybody. In that, raise off suffer Austin Meadows and meadows. Regulars are not playing well, he's asked meadows is really struggled bouncing back from covid Willie Adama as yet to yet to show up offensively for the most part. METAL IS GONNA come at a discount next year and I'm going to be all over that. All right. Let's let's go ahead and talk about some more pickups for the week in Anderson figures to be the biggest fab pickup of the week in mixed leagues. A Nice debut only allowing one run on one hit six strikeouts to walks in six innings versus the Yankees. So if you need starting pitching which I think a lot of fantasy players need right now. Are you just blowing all your fab on again Anderson Right now. Share. Was it the Yankees though? The lineup. Right now it is I mean look what look what the mets are doing they geeky lineup is not a good situation right now no stand no judge. I think what may he was back in that lineup at that point if he was not. Okay. Yeah. So it's like the lineup was voight Wade into Har- Mike, Ford Astrada Gary, Sanchez Brett Gardner Aaron Hicks Tuchman in her shallow. Yeah I mean to be void should be leading league and OBI P because I'm not even pitching to them right now. What's the? He's the one guy that hit the home run. Yeah He. That one hand and now let me Lemay Hugh's back. So obviously, that's a factor but honestly, it's like you look at that lineup, you pick a bitch do. Now I'm not talking to you. Seri-. Sorry. And then Yeah. It's like you picking the guy who's GonNa hurt you and loof weight stands out like a sore thumb. Now, who's back there's another guy that you really don't want to deal with but that's the way I didn't think. The I saw that our friends, a pitcher lists games decent outing by the. Thing it's like, yes, the Yankees but it's Yankees on paper but are a name but on paper God's lineups terrible. Yeah. Not to Besmirch the the no hitter thrown by Luke's G Alito but look at that lineup. I know that one of our friends on maybe it was Matthew Polio of. A world hit from saying allegance lineup but he's right. The lineup but the. I want to see Ian, Anderson Pitch again, against the team that's not rolling out a a Yankee lineup from the early nineteen nineties before it was rebuilt, you know all these names like okay. But I had I had to check my glasses got like wait jordy mercer is playing for the Yankees now I didn't even know there was Thandi Yankees here's the thing. He's GonNa get Boston next. ooh And then and then. Without their best hitter and then he's GonNa get a two step of. The marlins and the nationals the week after yeah, and then he's GonNa. Get the orioles. By up and then he's GonNa get the marlins again like. This is this is the time right now like if you still have fab left and you shouldn't you should have been aggressive throughout the year but there are leagues we're used to foul love I think it's and you need pitching it's time to go in on all in on Manderson personally. Like? Yeah. Eighty percent of you remaining fab. If you need one pitcher one starter, you know you're not hurting the closer. You know you. You know there's no off not a lot of offense out there to go get anyways. Yeah. I mean I think Ian Edison's the guy to take the gamble on. Yes. It was a bad lineup. He's going to face a lot of bad lineups rest of the wet. And he is one of their top pitching prospects. For reason, I'm buying in on Anderson especially with the schedule coming up him. Good Point. Let's let's talk about Josh, Fleming guys over in Tampa Bay This was kind of a surprising to me because I had no idea who dropped Fleming was. Told I didn't either until last week and so I'm I'm pretty. In tune with the minor leagues and and you know the with how deep leagues I play in I tend to know pretty much every guy every team so but been impressive so far are you buying it on Josh? Fleming because it looks like he's in the rotation for now he's in the rotation for now and the thing but Josh Fleming background division three Pitcher from a Little Bit Nowhere Missouri. But. Two Major League starts to majorly wins good for him But what you watch pitch and even on the broadcast, they make comparisons the Ryan Yarborough but a lot of yarbrough stuff is like his weird arm motion in the crossfire. Neither of which Fleming uses mean Fleming is sinker. SINKER slider changeup I mean ultimately I think a ceiling as a as a reliever in the back end guy because he truly has to hit a spots if watches pitch-black. Baseball spot and look at his pitch plot yesterday. It's like it's sinkers in sliders away and the Change Williams show me pitch. I don't even think he a swing at it. It really was just all two strikes me throw it and see if I can get anything in the Marlins weren't biting on it but he His his pitch plot was an absence of pitches in the strike zone. It was all on the black and that's that's what he needs to be successful. He has to come into the strike zone that's not gonna where he just doesn't have the stuff. He tops at like ninety one and there's not a lot of movement to his stuff but it's like he executes what he has very well, and as long as he can hit a spots like that. First Time through. Now I will be worried I. Know they have the marlins coming up again and I think he has an outing that's one to watch for me because you know the marlins are really bad against left handed starting, pitching, worsened league across the board and so like he was a sneaky defense play yesterday if you wanted to get something on a cheap and you were. So they're really bad against lefties, but the second time this is the kind of lefty that they should be able to jump on the next time because they've seat at a now know what's GonNa come up. Now they may only get two plate appearances against them, but they know this is what he does. If we can get a fastball early in the count swing at it because it may be the only one you see the rest of the at. Bat. With it. So I'd be curious to see how he matches up next time round gets a team that has really really bad against lefties, but he walks a fine line between success and disaster out. Yet, and that's the thing for me. I just don't think there's enough upside here. To warrant like the potential downside. And like so for instance, I, in one of my main event leanings like Fleming is obviously available in Anderson, is obviously available and someone dropped Robbie Ray. Now I'm not going to get in Anderson I just don't have the FAB laughed in order to do it, but you know so I'm having to make the decision who had rather out which guy would rather have on my team, the Robbie Ray who's just been atrocious here. But I know he's going to give me strikeouts or Josh Fleming who looked good nefer start but I just don't think I trust a ton and the upside is in there and so I'm I'm leaning towards Ray but I can understand people who are going to be are going to end up leading towards flooding. Robbie raise a little I. Robbie Ray Somebody we talk about real quick because you figure he's e Pitcher he's GonNa get traded. Right? You figure he's at least and maybe the change of scenery doesn't I keep hearing actually it a senior real good but it's like one of these things is like, what's GonNa do him good because the I thought may be like, Hey, he just won't pitch deepens with a game anymore and somebody will not leave out their third time through which has always been a problem for him and sure the eighteen, sixty, nine era that he has time through the order because he's allowed seven hits and Twenty Eight batters faced dying earned runs. Take data way that will do good. But his first time through the order, he's got a six ninety, two era leagues at two, hundred, ninety, four against the four, thirteen obt and a six twenty-seven slug second time through when he not even a three, forty nine because the guy just can't stop walking people he has eleven walks first time through twelve second time through at eight third time through. So none of this is gonNA matter if he doesn't stop walking people. So even if they sent them somewhere else is okay look dude you're only GonNa Pitch Fifteen batters is not like the first trip to the lineup has been a joy to for him for. As. Well. So that's where I'm like. Maitree see what you could get maybe but just like a change of scenery doesn't automatically put into Robbie? Ray because Jerry striking out dudes but it's just being completely negated by him walking guys and leaving too many opportunities for damage on Bass Oh yeah. I'm not necessarily advocating for of your. Some noise on twitter about all. Hey, it's like okay fine. Yeah. Like where he tells I hear I think because the one of the teams that's been most strong link to them is the astronauts and how great of a job the Astros has done. In recent history in terms of kind of just taking other teams garbage and you know making them into studs on the mound but. I mean, he has nine walks per nine. Astros be like Hey Josh J. J. Frustrating. Let's add Robbie rate rated this picture to and see what happens. I mean even the thing is and it's the it's the left is like if he could come in there and faced loaded and he's still good against lefties thing by Robbie Ray. If I can get a lineup where I can use them because a lot of great. But I mean the writing his righty slash line to seventy, one, four, forty, three, six, twenty, four. It's like, Oh, my God, really twenty seven of his thirty one walks coming right handed hitters. There's so many people who were in on him because the mechanical changes he had apparently made kind of in the aussies short arms he got. He got rid of the long arm swing went to a short one and like if you've watched I've watched two of his outings and like you can see there are times within and outing you're like, yeah, that works I mean he's throwing doing harder. So there was two things he got rid of the long arms wake was storing harder. So you're like, okay good tree. Let's watch this but then it gets back to my favorite thing it's like okay here's the catcher setting low and inside in the pitch is high and outside it's like Oh. Yeah it's still Robbie Ray can't. It is spots at against righties. It's always never had change up. So it's always been two different breaking balls. So he does the fastball and the two different breaking balls and but right it's just it's not working against righties until he honestly I am I have no interest in Robbie Ray until he actually has an off speed pitch, they can working his writings because the to breaking ball things worked for a little bit but we're right back to where right-back to the Robbie Ray that drove all of us, nuts. Yeah and this isn't a matter getting unlucky ether is Acciari A. Six seventy one in his stat cats pige is cold ice blue like. He's got fastball velocity fastball spin, and then it's everything else is pretty heating needs to change of scenery but he needs like a complete rebuild I mean this is like Corbin You see me tweeting about corporate burns rebuild that Milwaukee's done within. It'd be that's the the big thing burns. Is You know he was stolen the slider, but he also took four seamer the head cut to it. So it's like you had to look the same as like okay I can. I can guess one I can adjust to the other and then East added the sinker this year. Now he's got you know as you know said, peel the banana was coming high. With the four, he straightened out his four seamer sinker. He's got a slider plus he throws six pitches and total, and so he's like the you darvish light in that regard where you really don't know what he's GonNa throw at you but he's covering all aspects of the zone whereas with with Robbie, rave righty pretty much know what's coming and where it's going. Let's. Let's move over to one of the bigger fat pickups in in majority of leagues from the inner side and let's talk about Gavin locks because Gavin luck's got sent down I mean he was a fairly high draft pick before the talk of him being sent down to the minor leagues or or the alternative training site whatever they're it they still can't get used to that. And you know and the people add to just drop him. He came up for a double header last this last week and then he's been recall it yesterday and it seems like he's here to stay. So this is one of the few impact bats left, and if you're looking for offense, he's probably available in most mixed leagues at this point how much are you willing to go? In on Gavin Lux. Yeah and he's GonNa hit back for the weekend he said eighth and ninth, and that's what's going to happen. But when you hit in front of mookie Betts Cory Seager Justin Turner Corey Bell in Cody Bellinger Max months who cares and he's probably going to be platoon in the situation because they still want to get at they still want to get time for Kika. Hernandez, as well. Now, because even be looking through the lineup ski gay is hit eighth and ninth on Tuesday Thursday and Friday and then luck when he was recalled I'm sorry on Thursday he eight on Saturday at eight Sunday he at nine. So this is a this is the situation or using McKee played centerfield. One day a second base to the days and then Lux's played second. Base, three days. So we know what the situation is. He's GonNa hit the bottom of a loaded lineup against righty pitch and the hard part too is like there's been a lot of breakout stars at second base this year I mean Brandon Lau being one of them that has just been fantastic but you also have guys like Donovan Solano that kind of emerge and so. Is Not Shallow position at all. If he was playing third I'd be much more interested and I do worry I, worry less about where he's sitting in the lineup because like you said, the guys are going to be hitting by number going to be pretty amazing and more about the fact that I think he will end up platooning. Too. Much, and that that is a bit concerning however, this is one of the. Few a former top prospect one of the you know brightest prospects in the game a top ten guy. In baseball. He's got power Scott Speed I. Think he's worth a gamble and fifteen mix and I think people should be aggressive I. I know in the leagues where he's available twelve team fifteen minutes. I'm going to be aggressive on him just because I think the upside is there and I just don't know that there's going to be a ton more coming up that that can really be difference makers. Offensively like that. Exactly, yeah. He running. We're running of time with things you just have to go grab. Grab what you can maximize what's left because we have before weeks left I mean September I is Tuesday. So blows my mind is Tuesday that's were at. War and like there are spots in this line up where he can move up if he starts hitting well, I. Mean there's no reason that the way jock has been hitting. The way you know will Smith is been in a sitting before he went on the I l. and release his bag Asia. pollock is in a huge obstacle for him and even Max months you've got a bunch of power. This year, but is hitting one ninety eight. Like like, there's no reason that he can work his way up to the middle of that lineup and get more plate appearances per game. So. I think I. Think luck is kind of worth a little bit of the price another former top prospect that has been kind of ignored largely and fantasy circles Until the last year or so is via Garcia a, he's the top top pitching prospect for the Yankees. He's getting the call as well. Any interest in Garcia? Some note about him being the second youngest Yankee starting pitcher since. The makes debut sense Phil Hughes and two, thousand, six, I mean a lot of people were looking at this saying this was going to be Clark Schmidt but still no Clark Schmidt. And maybe it's maybe it's because I don't i. don't see. A. Friend Hanson was our friend handsome. Them was saying that maybe WanNa hide the fact that Schmidt doesn't have his his secondary pitches aren't there but Garcia's the one that's come up and yet if you want to I, have not I, don't recall seeing him pitch in the spring but if you WANNA statistically scalp crap the numbers are definitely there when you look at what? You want to look at what he did I mean last year ninety, three and two-thirds innings he struck out one, hundred, thirty, two batters walked fifty two as well. So it'll be interesting to see that he's has the stuff to collect the strike outs in the fact that they're allowing him to pitch at twenty one years, three months and twelve days old is is saying something they Were joking by their offense being a mess to me. I. I saw somebody else tweet yesterday that yesterday was the wild pitch walk off was their first win as a non last placed team and over two weeks. Wow. Yeah they they beat up on Boston a bunch and that they are able to beat up on. Boston and another low performing team. But that's where the Yankees were getting out of their beef is beating up on Boston pitching than they came at a Tampa Bay in Tampa Bay are they they played Tampa Bay and they got swept out of that and they've they've struggled in. So you know this matchup against the mental be intriguing for Darcy he's not I mean that lineups not a slouch. Lonzo struggled but Dom Smith has been hitting incredibly well and it's been a very interesting series between these two teams may two one in that stadium with that pitching and the the potential of the lineups is just been. The two to one game was solo home run by Voight Solo home run by Ramirez at a walk off wild pitch to house the game. Yeah I like Garcia a lot from a straight stuff perspective. He's small years. He's mall and he walks a lot of guys like those. He's only five nine or Louis we have them listed at five nine. Is probably closer to five seven So he you know he he's a real small guy and I do worry like I think a lot of people have been Dynasty Leagues I. Think this is the time to sell him dynasty especially if he comes out and delivers like a really, really nice first outing. Teams haven't seen him before but I mean this is a guy who struggles with his with his command When the command is on, you see a wire he is one of the top prospects in baseball but when the command is off it's it's not good and then like you said, he's a small guy I just worry about as a starter teeny hold up long. only being probably you know five eight something like that. So I think in I mean obviously. I don't believe he's in the system for tonight's pickups. So we're talking non NFC leagues, people who play Yahoo ESPN CBS things like that I would try to sneak him through for a dollar to in a redraft and just kind of hold them. I wouldn't start them for the first start and then just kind of see what happens see how he looks. But in dynasty I'm hoping he has a really nice first outing. So I can try to flip him for what should be a meant. Be Nice. I mean the short the short starting thing is is really tough to overcome and those. Typically. End Up in more of a swing role eventually. So But Interesting I. Honestly, I've been a I. Know the results have been there for all the guys but I've been impressed with what the Yankees have called up a mean. I'd like what I see from Mick Nelson. You can see the pieces and the potential there for Nick Nelson. and Michael Caine it's just the the results have been there yet but those especially Nelson Nelson. If he gets in there throwing ninety, seven, Ninety, eight none of it really straight. I've just been impressed with watching him pitch and I and I haven't mentality back Guy Michael King I both those guys talent but just after watching the pitch wild I, mean there's potential just got to see results come through the the the they have. They have the kind of active arms but with with youth inexperienced. Comes inconsistency. Yup. Let's. Let's move over to another guy who is a a young starting pitcher Tony Goslin is being recalled I. believe he's pitching today but it sounds like he's GonNa stay stand the rotation for at least at other turn. So I think he's When he's been on the mound, he has been fantastic. The the question has been with him is. He how long can you stay in the rotation for the dodgers? They just have so many pieces but Ross stripling has been atrocious this year and I I know the dodgers don't necessarily have much pressure put on than in you know for playoff spot really the division. Though the padres may disagree with that is Constan. A guy that you think you would throw some Fab at because if he can't stand the rotation, he could be a really nice piece on Nice team. Yeah I'd like I really liked him coming into the season somebody'd I add and bold prediction series as as the guy for the dodgers pitching staff I like what I've seen from him and so I would be if I could add them if it wasn't already in a like an NFL keeper leak situation where I could get him now and and have them down the line if I could pick them up cheaply like this weekend, grab them for like five or fewer. and and and have them for the long term. I'd be very interested in that. I'm not willing to I'm not going to throw a bunch of stuff to get him now a more interested in a long term play than I am just immediately. Thinking of a long-term play. Michael Pineda is going to be back here pretty soon. Potato has been suspended or serving out a suspension the twins have been in the reportedly in the market for starting pitching. So and we have no idea what Pinedo looks like in terms of. Will he be able to go more than a few innings but he has been ineffective. Starter at times in his career and other times he's been Robbie Ray so what are you doing with Pineda? Yeah, that's and he's a good example. He's the guy that. He should not stay in there for a third time through Michael Pineda's to Pitch Guy Michael Pineda as fifteen eighteen batters when he's ready to and I don't think that's right now but Vicky eighteen and get him out. Minnesota has the type of bullpen normally that can work around that. They need to make some acquisition A. Acquisition as well We've seen so many guys struggle with the long layoff and then just to come back in and jump into it so. It's it's tough to fade because the run support should be there for him. I just don't think he's cut the stuff to go five innings right now and that made the that's not what Minnesota needs. Yeah I kind of grew I've been a Pineda detractor for forever. On I'M NOT GONNA be like buying in on this. He was good last year I mean especially for him but. Him Out home runs he just gives up. Just infuriating and we have no idea like you said like what his potential. Innings your pitch limits are going to be especially early on we only have. What three and a half weeks left in the season. Is this the guy that I wanna pin my hopes on I mean, maybe you put a buck or two on them. If you have room on your reserve this, you throw them there but I don't think I'm that interested other than that. Cedric Mullins is a guy that was like last year's sleeper pick for a lot of people in fantasy and it didn't pan out very well for him last year or for people who drafted him, but he's been pretty decent in playing pretty much every day. For the last you know weaker to in Baltimore is mullins a guy's got power. He's got speed or three stolen bases on the year is this guy that you're willing to go grab? I have them in labor. And I think I haven't labor in my local a-league of and really it's because he was playing every day and I needed an outfield spot I mean, what's what's been impressive with him is the bunt hits he has six of them. He's attempted you don't me I hate bunce, but this is if teams are going to give it to thirty, he's taking him he's made eight temps. He has six blunt hit. So that's what's fueling his batting average. If you look at me last year was bad but you'd be look at this year is in two, fifty nine and that's coming. Off The bunce that's where and as long as defenses are not gonNA sneak him up that he'll keep doing it and when he get on base, he's got three cities got three steals and so he is running when he gets on base a three or four in that department. So yeah, I'm interested because again he's playing is getting on base and stand he's getting on base in front of the two best hitters in that lineup he's hitting nine a most mostly and he's getting on base in front of in front of Alberto Santander, I'm really excited because he led off three. Last week. And then all of a sudden. Right back down So I mean it's going to be hard for him to accrue. You know runs in rb is he's hitting ninth for the Orioles so. Yeah. But like I said he he's sitting in front of the top of that lineup that does I mean say what you want about Baltimore but they they can score. And he's sitting down down net lineup, and that's where that's where he's got some benefit yet. He he was miscast as a leadoff guy that's not what he's not what he is but it really comes down to see what types on looking at it like Alburto they just decided just GonNa hit high melodic is typically when they're facing lefty Alberto's the automatically officer and for good reason. But even over this weekend Saturday yesterday and today's leadoff again, mullins is not in the lineup today but he was you know he had been all week but today is a day off for them fairly. Yeah I'm. I I picked him up in one of my main events last week. I don't know I mean survived the cuts this week but I don't know that I would pick him up. In anything deep or anything shower fifteen team league Let's. The yearly question it usually happens I think like in April or May, but Brandon Bell has been on tear. So I, have to ask for like think the eighth straight year is Brandon Belt Gun. I saw so I saw something the other day. Where part factors San Francisco's Ballpark is now a top ten offensive ballpark. They apparently did some structural changes that have changed the wind patterns so. Yes I think he is now because because the knock on Brandon Bell has always been okay. The whole ballpark is really tough. Doesn't it left? He's home ballpark away down. But if they're gonNA, if it turn I, guess they closed some they did something but all of a sudden, it's now the seventh best offensive part by factors this year. So yes. It's so weird. I just don't really understand this at all. But this would be the year twenty, twenty year he gets a twenty home runs finally but. Now he's got five, zero, three, twenty, nine, four, eight, six, twenty like I haven't seen necessarily anything from him. That makes me think that like he's made some huge adjustment I think you're right I think he is benefiting from the change in park factors that when they moved the bullpens and made some structural changes to try to create a little bit more offense in San Francisco The last three years right two thousand seventeen to twenty five with eight home runs at home eighteen to sixty, five, eight home runs at home. To twenty two, thousand nineteen to twenty, eight with five homers. This year is it three home runs at home and is hitting four, sixty nine? Just what? I mean he's not really doing anything differently and like that's the thing I think it's just he's benefiting I. I honestly think this is a hot streak and if you WANNA ride it, you can but you may have already missed kind of the best 'em. Two percent walk great at home out of I. Mean he's always had W walk right. But his walk rate is sky high right now and he's making more contact in his career strikeout rate at home I get forty one plate appearances but a five eighty five will be at home, but it just an object long time. Out we striking out as much. Yeah. Yeah. He's not making more contact is contact percentages actually gone down? he swing outside zone a little bit less but we're talking you're hot chocolate. Yeah exactly. Everything. Yeah I mean I this is a mirage I think but like you said, I, think he is benefiting from the the increased park. It's so weird that they would make I mean obviously they've been a team that are an organization that has dealt with You know it being such a pitcher's park and having hard time getting bats to WANNA come there. So maybe that is the impetus for the change, but it's such a weird change for them to have made. In San Francisco so Yeah. I guess I. Don't think that It's GONNA sustain very long sub you're willing to jump off is is soon as he starts a cool down cert- saying three or four games where he's back to being the two hundred to twenty hitter that he's been. Then yet than just jump off. Let's let's finish up with Richard Rodriguez He seems to be the guy in Pittsburgh for saves. Is he worth a pickup because they also have gone with other guys and I mean they have nine wins Like are we really expecting them to get like five more save opportunities rest of the way? That's the that's sure. Take US shot on them and hope you hope you can get three saves out of them but I mean, Nik, Turley is save opportunity for them of late Chris Straton is pitched in high leverage of late your favorite cowboy. Shore. But all God. This team is so so so bad and it's GonNa get worse right? We we assume that they're going to move other pieces. Off Of this team though I mean looking at it, it's like I don't know who they could even move. The are GONNA move. Trevor Williams, I assume. They could move Chad. Call? I guess. Yeah. Derek Collins. Like but like who in their offense are they gonNA Trade Away Now that this, there's honestly I I can't even fathom. It's so bad and be this. This lineup looks like. Even though it looks like. I mean that through like what value can somebody pick up? It's like, okay. Maybe if you want Eric Gonzalez, you want some flexibility you you can trade Eric Gonzalez. Options. You're looking for a catcher backup. Okay. Go Get Jacob stallings if you want that type of bank but. Yikes the race. Hollings. or excuse any capture the pulse. I if you can get review could sneak Rodriguez infra cheap in a deeper league. Go ahead but I just don't think that that's necessarily going to happen or even really be that beneficial for people moving toward set the over under a to saves rest of the way. Yeah and I think that I think that pretty much nails it I I would probably take the over. But that's just because to is such a hard number. Is probably the right number I push telling. All, right well, that's going to wrap us up for this episode. Unless. I haven't seen any of the trades go through in the last. Last hour so hopefully. we missed it. and. This will be posted before seven or eight more. Trades go through but Paul talked about the rest of those on Tuesday after the. Trade deadline has passed. Jason. What do you got going on I finishing up an article on that rebuild corporate burns because it's just been so impressive this year it is not I I'm GonNa lead this by saying that's not a victory lap kind of recap because yeah, I was he was my predictions he was somebody that I had in the value of the scrap heap because my next article a wire is going to be about how wrong I wasn't. Shane. Bieber. So it's like I want to look at two different ways of the track to say, okay, this is why I said. I'd. Like burned this is how he's rebuilt himself and it's not it's not. It's just a matter of, Hey, guys can change and what if they make certain changes? This is it could benefit. So I'm going into that but I'm looking again the shape bieber a guy that I said was not a top twenty, five pitcher this year who may win the Al Cy Young I was so I'm covering both ends of the spectrum on that and looking into what you're where said what I said how it's come out and so those are the my next two pieces that I'm working on it for Roy Robart. Wire. Nice and I'm writing you know a bunch over at Van, grab some doing the Rodeo ride up three to four times a week the daily. Article Daily DFS. Article. The daily overlay three or four times a week I. Wasn't able to do my fad piece this weekend unfortunately because it was my daughter's birthday and. That kind of took a little bit of priority over it. So but that'd be back next week. So you can always catch them in the fancy benefits podcast anti Geoff. That turned to write. This is this is my ten year old. Okay. So now my my my almost two year old turns to in October. So that's what it was i. knew it was like you know. I remember having this discussion about hey, should I go first pitch Arizona or beer. And Yeah Yeah I'll never live the that down that I went to first Pitch Arizona My daughter's first birthday. My Wife's already mentioned it once this week and we're still what a month and a half away from her second birthday thing. Yeah. We're doing it again this year they'll. No I mean I doubt it's even happening right? It's not. Like. What I'm GonNa do not the my family's going to be like, hey, why are you home in October? Normally go there. Yes. I do normally go to Arizona I can't even go anywhere for college football. Games this year. Yes, and we're we're not going to be going well, be lucky if there are any college football games but had some last night Austin p played somebody I mean an overly. Allow. Playing, East Carolina here at my state in September twenty six and if I go, I may sit in the upper deck in the top row and be like a million miles away from everybody else. You couldn't pay me to go to the live sporting event right now like. To go to a live sporting event right now like yeah I wouldn't do it but. That will wrap us up Jason and I will be back next week and the Paul and I'll be back on Tuesday talking trade deadline. See what's happening because it seems like it's going to be reactive.

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AL and NL Wild Card and Divisional Series Previews | The Ringer MLB Show

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Mlb Show my name is Michael Bamut and I'm a staff writer at the Ringer before we get started. We've got a lot of stuff up on the site. The pieces are coming thick and fast just like my trout so I wanted to direct you to some of the written content. We've got up on the ringer dot com in the last days before the playoffs. Ben is written about an Astros Dodgers World Series Rematch Zach wrote about the end of Joe Managed Chicago. We have clear McNair on the end of June Bruce bocce tenure in San Francisco A K Baker has written about heat Alonzo's odds record-setting rookie year. I've got my words com out. and I've also as a Friday got a story out based on a trip. I took to Saint Petersburg Florida. This summer where I tried to understand Stan Tropicana field the raise their city and how all that comes together so like I said it's lot you should read it all and let's get to the show friends friends. It is time for the postseason and we were. GonNa Preview the first round of the postseason today. We're going to split that up into two parts arts. Ben Lindbergh's going to be on to talk about the American League later and here to talk about the National League Zach Ramp. Hello Happy New Year sack the happy new year to all the listeners who are fellow members of the tribe and holiday and just in time for some playoff baseball yeah so let's let's get on this. The first playoff golf game of the year this year is the National League wild card game that features the two teams with some interesting recent playoff history. I guess not with each other but I just sort of in general the Milwaukee brewers are like Mr Smith goes to Washington to face the nationals Max Scherzer who I looked this up the nationals have not only failed to to win a playoff series dating back to their own or dating back to to the move from for Montreal there have been since eighteen ninety one four different major league franchises in Washington and they have combined for a total of one playoff series win and was that was that the series that involved the curly Ogden gambit which Milwaukee US last year. It wasn't either nineteen twenty four world series so credible. I mean it all comes together. All comes full circle. I so I wrote about this. This series you can go read that as of Tuesday morning at the Ringer Dot Com Zach. What are your thoughts about it so I think the first thing that stands out when you look at any one game a baseball all series are like a game seven or a game five in the DS is you. I looked at the pitching matchup here. It would certainly seem to favour the nationalists who have Max Scherzer going against the the brewers have brandon woodruff who has been really good this year by it has only pitched a couple of times since returning from injury only two innings in each of those games so you would think Washington Russian has the advantage and I think they do but it's a little more complicated than that one because Sherzer has not looked himself over the last month since returning from injury himself and two because this is one game. You don't need necessarily an ACE pitcher to go seven innings as great as that would be and Craig counsel over the last year both in the playoffs last year and also in September making use of expanded rosters has proved himself rather adept at managing one game at a time he has josh hater determined to and I think there are just a lot of interesting pitching them locations from this matchup. This is really the crux of my preview piece is that this is Ed poor. Dave Martinez like he has one game to win and he has Max Scherzer on his roster and circumstances have aligned in such a way that starting Max Scherzer is is going to get second guessed particularly if it goes poorly because assures her. I'm really not sure what to make of shares your since coming back from his back and shoulder injuries the capital on the shelf for a little bit because the era has not been good. He's latter home runs but like he's always been a little bit homer prone. At least in recent years and the strikeout-to-walk numbers parading are right in line with the rest of the season. The fastball velocity is fine. You know it. It's not like he's throwing two hugh miles an hour slower since coming back so it's it's really not that easy to tell if he's compromised like if this is mack actors are at ninety five percent or at sixty percent just based on the results dating back the past few weeks. I think what makes us particularly difficult though is the fact that the nationals in additional shirts or have to other pitchers who would probably be the best starting pitcher on about half of the playoff teams and Stephen Strasburg who I would have as runner up on my hypothetical cy young ballot and Patrick Corbin who's been almost as good so he could start rather he could have started either. One of those Martinez has said that we should expect both of those guys to be available out of the bullpen. I don't think it's that big leap of imagination to imagine magin both of them pitching at some point particularly sherzer only goes something like five innings and that's like it the the big thing for the nationals their biggest guest glaring weakness the thing that I think makes them keeps them for being justice scary as the dodgers over a short series is the bullpen is not that good and over a one game over a one game playoff the he can use those three pitchers to essentially get right to Sean doolittle and I think that papers over a lot of the cracks for for Washington assuming that Sherzer like how doesn't come up lame in the second inning or you know get shelled for five runs or whatever because there's a lot of pressure on this team even even considering how well they've done in the second half yes so to put some numbers on Sherzer Sherzer since returning from injury he's pitched seven games and in the seven games has a four point seven four which is basically double what you would expect from sugar but like you said he struck out fifty four batters in thirty eight innings walked only eight so there's a little bit of dissonance. I've been thinking about the possibility for a few weeks now. Since it became clear that Washington was going to coast into a wildcard spot about the possibility of a wildcard game pitching setup setup that involves only these three starting pitchers and doolittle and I know they made a lot of trades for a levers at the bullpen they'd been shuffling guys up and putting players you wouldn't expect acton high leverage situations but in this one game as you say you can just put Stephen Strasburg into a seventh-inning instead of having trilllion someone like Fernando Rodney and end sure that might set you up a little bit worse off if you win the game and have to face the dodgers next round but I think you have to do whatever you can to survive survive in advance because like this is one of the things that the red sox you so effectively in the two thousand eighteen playoffs with Nathan of all the that the astros you so effectively in the two thousand seventeen playoffs when the rest of their bullpen imploded which is using guys is on their throat as essentially so Strasbourg in between his normal starts starts would be throwing twenty to thirty pitches anyway instead of doing those in the bullpen bring him in for an ending or two in relief and I think that's this dots the setup that makes the most sense for Martinez and the nationals in this game ideally I think the scenario would be like six innings from Sherzer an inning or two from Strasbourg and than an inning from doolittle without without even having to investigate the underbelly of the relief yeah. I think like if I had to try to get inside Dave Martinez his head I imagined bats plan a is is that six two and one and yeah you could go farther back. I mean this is. I remember the Bruce Bocce and the giants doing something like Was it like barricade for sixth innings. Lynn succumb for to Madison Bumgarner for one you know in in Twenty Twenty ten twenty twelve that happened a couple of times you could go really creative. I don't know if like shirts Sir in Strasbourg are the guys you really. WanNa do that with but you could go like particularly considering how how much craig counsel's WHO's GonNa substitute over the course of this game. I assume you could go shares her for three innings. Go to lefty Corbin for three innings and I go to Strasbourg for two or three and then have do little come into close it out at if if necessary I doubt very much that's going to happen because Dave Martinez is sort of a tactically conservative conservative manager. He you know he doesn't substitute that much. He doesn't pinch hit that much and that's that's not a criticism criticism. He's had with as much talent on the as it as is on that team. Um You just sort of want to set it up and let it do. Its job by that's. I don't think that's going to happen but that's sort of a high risk Cairo award way of playing this because because I agree with you like going into the dodgers series having to start like Anibal Sanchez in game one and then come back with those three guys is later on because you've burn them in the Wild Card game that beats not you know that's not making it to face the dodgers at all. They're the one thing about the three three three plan is that Sir isn't the kind of Pitcher who would do worse multiple times through the order like this is something that the Yankees have run into in recent postseasons where C Sabathia is a pretty good pitcher the first two times through the order but not the third so you have to Finagle your bullpen to make sure you get them out thereafter. He faces eighteen hitters shirt. This season has been just as good the third time through the order the first time through the order so he's cruising. You don't need to worry about putting in Strasburger asper Corbin. You can just ride him out like other teams have done in wired games pat and that's right and that's one of the reasons why. I don't think it's going to happen but it's a it's theoretically medically option and I think it's a perfect counterpoint to the brewers because the birds are an example of I I would guess that Brandon Woodruff even fully healthy would not be going eight innings in a wildcard game but especially given his injuries. I would expect like who throws the most innings for the barrage in this game. Could it be like Josh Hater throwing growing to in two-thirds innings or something when he enters in the middle of ending with a runner on base into stays in for two more innings. I think it's possible that he faces the most hitters of anyone on Berge in this game which speaks more to their pitching setup than anything else where they have no aces and the nationals have three right. I you know I think that's definitely a possibility here. I could see we could see woodruff. Stay for as long as twice through the order. I think you know depending on how he feels but I dug this up for for my preview I the brewers haven't had started or they've had one starting pitcher three pitch the seventh inning in the past since I think it's August sixteen and they haven't had a starting pitcher throw thorough pitch in the seventh inning in in the postseason since Randy Wolf in twenty eleven so I think that that sort of says all you need to know about the difference between tactically between what the nationals have and what the what the brewers have and I think for that for that reason season. I think this is GonNa be fascinating single game to watch as possible it as it is that you know Sherzer shows up last two hits over seven innings and Ed this game's over before it starts like that's definitely a possibility but if this is you know this is close after five or six innings very interesting to see what council dis is what versus what Martinez does and who sort of holds the initiative whose reacting to who in terms of of of making what moves and for that reason I think you know Strasbourg's the second best pitcher but I think just in terms of giving us a different look like I would rather go in with Corbin if he's the guy who he comes in relief Sherzer in the six or seven just to make Craig Counsel Flip Flip lineup around while they're still at least once more through the order order to go yeah the platooning interesting here because council has been really great at managing a forty man roster but this is playoffs now you have to to go down to twenty five and obviously the twenty five you pick for the wild card game. Don't have to be the same twenty five that you pick for later in the playoffs so like teams will typically only take two starting pitchers to the wild card game which allows you to have more platoon bats etc so there's more opportunity for that than a normal plant game but it still lessened and from September and like if you're the nationals for instance. Do you know when do you utilize pinch. Hitters knowing that like Josh Hater is coming in at the end of the game name. Even someone like drew pomeranz who's been excellent since moving to Milwaukee at the trade deadline the fact that Milwaukee has these elite left handed relievers at the end of the game. How does that change your strategy with using someone like Howie. Kendrick who hits lefty as well is going to be where like the I think talking about the the pitching strategies at the macro level XS and os but even this next level I think is it's part of the fun of of a single playoff which isn't necessarily surly fair. The better team certainly doesn't always at advance but it's part of the entertainment and it on one level like I think the play here is to just pick your starter for Martinez for the National's perspective the place to pick your starter whether it's Sherzer Strasbourg and let him throw until he's he's done and you know it right if you if you have these three pitchers and try to get cute and you lose than out ah that it's you're going to rightfully get get ripped in the papers the next day so right now galas is obviously not going to take part. I met Ryan Brennan Lorenzo -Tainer Data Day. They're up in the air. I imagine both of the multi but if one or both or either Adalina per compromised this spurs lineup gets really thin real quick and so the way it's constructed like I would look for ways to get Eric. Names added a game because the Craig counsel is used him consistently against right handers who he hits very well and not at all against left handers who he doesn't have very well and the the this bench start to get really thin really quick in terms of of guys he can bring off the you know in terms of like he could make one move almost every position but Kenny make to what happens if he if Orlando. RC comes up in a big moment. He has pinch hit worm who goes in shortstop after that because he's been written so hard. They're you know what happens if if that spot in the line of comes up again and like her non Peres is the guy in the lineup that forces him to to make another the decision or get really creative or just leave that week hitter in and we saw Dave Roberts almost get burned by this a couple of times in the last year and we never really saw come back act bite him and I think if you press hard enough on this burs team you could force council either into a mistake or or some kind of like no win scenario in terms of substitution so you get like moving hard enough fast enough early in the game. I just don't think like if Scherzer's on the mound then that's that's not really the game you WanNa play. I don't think the nationals are set up exactly right to play to take advantage of that well. It's a fine line. Where are you are allowed to bring twenty five players for this one game so you kind of want to figure out a way to to maximize that roster us all twenty any high players but you can't use all twenty five players because then what if you need a twenty six as you're saying not just it's not even that it's like you've got twenty five players but if you use them all like nineteen through twenty five probably not going to be very good and they're going to end up playing the high leverage innings and that's what I think if it the pendulum has swung far enough that teams are getting burned by that in the playoffs and I wonder if that's something we'll see maybe if the brewers advance and have have to go a little lighter on position players in in other other seasons calmer weather that happens to the dodgers at some point or to Oakland or Tampa Tampa but you know I I think you can you counsel showed he he had the initiative and so Dave Roberts slasher frankly we're still not sure of how to react to manage your shoe substitute heavily in the first half of the gate at you know how to how to make that work against manager who's really aggressive bringing guys off the bench and I wonder if somebody's going to figure that out that that even happened last year to the brewers almost when and they were playing the dodgers in the NFC and they had games that were a really long extra inning game and the game where they use the curly Ogden Gambit and they probably problem Gio Gonzalez got her. That's yeah they probably would have run out of pitchers had they not been able to call up a new one because you got hurt and add a fresh arm to the Rosser asser. I think that's probably more of a concern for later in the playoffs then just the wildcard game but even as you're saying in the wildcard game on the position players side that's the issue that runs into platooning like if the Yankees for instance were in the wildcard game again like they have eight really good hitters that you're never going to pinch hit for regardless of like a righty facing righty and that's something that is less of a concern for Aaron Boone because he doesn't have to worry about running out of bench players okay. So what do you think. Do you think the the church is going to be okay. The nationals are gonNA finally advance because we do have to talk about a couple of other things before we I think the nationals have the advantage advantage they of course have the curse playoff history but I would pick them to win just because they have the pitching advantage from multiple perspectives but like if if it's tied in the fifth maybe the burs got the advantage with hater and pomerance yeah. I think that's about where I sit too that the longer stays closed the more. I like Milwaukee you buy. I mean Sherzer as as much as I love my sweet. Mississippi Son brain merger if this is a huge pitching mismatch so if Washington tastes advantage that this could end up being over pretty quickly the most in probably the most interesting question the National League playoffs to me is how scared should the dodgers of nationals assuming advance. I think incredibly because the dodgers are a really good team in a variety of perspectives they have the best offense in the National League. They have you know even with Kenley Jansen struggles. I think they're pretty good given all the starting pitchers they can move to the bullpen but their biggest advantage seems to be the starting pitching where they have the front three of Bueller Kershaw and ruin some order and nationals can match that pitcher for pitcher and I think especially it's probably easier to beat the dodgers in a five game series than a seven game series just because you need to beat them one fewer time and and like with Corbin surger Strasbourg making four out of five starts in that series. It's not that hard to imagine Washington stealing three yeah if anything I think the the rotation advantage for for the nationals in assuming they advance and obviously you know this being the burs in October and this being the nationals in October. We might not see that happen by assuming they advance. I actually there's one team in each of these wildcard card setups that has an absolutely terrified rotation for the favorite that they would face in the next round but we'll talk about the American league next time the last thing I'll say to that. Washington played the dodgers in a four-game series in La earlier this year and three of the four games or shutouts the nationals through shout dodgers through to as they split the series and I could see a potential and lds being something like that where like if you score two runs in a game you're good okay so let's let's go to the the cardinals and the braves the battle for America's heartland the rematch right this is a rematch of the nineteen ninety-six among various other playoffs back wildcard game with the infield fly right yeah man I and blocked that out of my memory what a weird game that was the first wildcard game right that was that was the first one of the saddest Saturday doubleheader that year honor member anyway so so we've got the cardinals and the braves two teams that I think both flew under the radar flew under under the radar in their respective divisions there were certainly much more discuss teams much more teams that had had flashier success in and beer names in recent years the braves sorta about frogmarched out of the playoffs by the dodgers in round one last year Where do you see see the the needle following on this series. What should we look for so in the regular season. The braves won six more games than Saint. Louis by the teams are much more even that to me if you look at factory record which looks at their runs scored. Saint Louis was actually one game better than Atlanta this year if you look at their base runs record which looks at like the hits and walks and strikeouts for each team they had should have had the exact same record this year so I think they're fairly even and the most interesting aspect to me. A kind of unusual aspect is it seems to me like a lot of pressures on Atlanta in game one playing at home. It almost seems like a must win to me because the cardinals US Jack flared either ace ace who had an IRA below one in a absolutely tore his second half he pitched on Sunday to clinch the division which means he won't be available until game too. That's okay because the off days as mean he'd still be able to pitch a potential game five that means if your Atlanta and you dropped game one at home then all of a sudden you're staring down having to beat flaherty who doesn't give up runs runs anymore to avoid going back to Saint Louis down. Oh two and I think that adds a little bit of excitement and extra pressure for the first game which can sometimes be Kinda. Slow in the series series is the teams are feeling the their opponents out but shouldn't be the case this time I think flaherty I mean that's a huge thing for going. Both ways 'cause flirty. I think is be swing player in the series whether he's just sort of whether he's a good pitcher which he was until July or whether he he is God Almighty which he was down the stretch this season I think could be the difference in the series because of a flaherty doesn't win that game to than and Atlanta goes in in Saint Louis Up up to nothing in the series good luck yet in this braves line top to bottom out for for three games tolling them down enough to even get to flaherty get a game five so I think there's as much pressure as you said. There's there is on the braves and I think that's a good read on the situation. I engage one particularly. If the braves do win there's going to be just as much pressure on flaherty in particular in game two and two Atlanta's credit. I think they don't have anyone who can match flaherty pitch for pitch. I think their rotation in general is more solid Dallas. Kaikal was great midseason signing who would've thought that he would have actually helped the team willing to pay him He's probably going to start game. One would be my guess but even if he doesn't bat top three of Michael and Saroka and Mike Foale than ebbets who I wrote off midseason and he's been great down the stretch. His last six starts dating back from late August. I he has a one seven three era nearly strikeout printing. He's looking like the pitcher he was last year so there they have a steady rotation and that's valuable able to in a playoff series where you don't want to see guys knocked out early. I mean I think I liked their pitching staff. Better top to bottom. I don't think either of these teams who's matches up particularly well in an NL CS with either one of La or Washington by at I apologize for writing off the burs. I know just because reframing it this way they're going to win. they're going to win the wild card game maybe even upset the dodgers but I I think Atlanta's just deeper top to bottom and that that's true there lineup as well which I think is certainly deeper so they have I think for as much as flaherty gives the cardinals an individual advantage. I think Atlanta has probably the better roster. I like their bullpen more. I like their lineup depth more so I think they're the better team but flared. He pitches two games. Does that make the difference and like you said there's a lot of pressure on him to but that's like kind of the fun of as I talked about on a recent episode like having playoff ace even if it doesn't prove to meaningfully change teams fortunes in the playoffs which hasn't historically just like the prospect of really enticing and we get to dream on it and map out these scenarios. Yes yes. I mean that's like that's. The dream right is he. The guy you know Justin Berliner comes out and shove twice in a in a best of five five series in the end. That's the series you know so it's it's going to be very and certainly the cardinals are no stranger pitching performances like that you think of like Chris Carpenter and twenty eleven eleven Gibson Bob Gibson Yeah yes certainly. I don't remember Bob Gibson. You know it's this is a franchise. It's very familiar millier with having the one guy you know put the team on his back and really pitch him too. I you pitch through the playoffs more or less on his own and I think we're doing a little bit of a disservice to the rest of the cardinals roster by acting like this flaherty series to to win or lose like obviously you they they've got you know Wog Diong Paul Goldschmidt and Tommy Adleman who were you were obligated to dimension every time we talk about the cardinals I just think that the braves are a little bit better top to bottom flirty notwithstanding what occurs to me is at wainwright could swing the series hometown. Atlanta in a guy drafted by the braves. That's a fun little subplot to snap really hometown at least from the state like it's a guarantee see that whatever whenever he pitches there will be some sort of broadcast reference so Georgia just because you're like you're from the a state like Georgia is a big state light. You know I like I grew up closer to Baltimore that wainwright into Atlanta and obviously like you know grow up brace race stand. It's not the same thing but like Brunswick is like a different planet anyway so when when they show that on the broadcast you know you should buy this yeah. It was like the the Nick Swisher is from Cleveland. Thing Nick Swisher is not from Cleveland anyway this geography and stayed identity and fan identity. You're all very complicated things but thanks for you know were We're just giving a high level preview of the playoffs so I guess we can't really get too into the weeds on that. hiring is challenging but there's one place you can go hiring a simple fast and smart greg businesses connect qualified candidates nap places recruiter dot com slash ringer. 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It's been a long time coming. It's been the the usual amount of time coming but always kind of long yeah. I guess that's true. I was just talking today about how it's like. This is obviously the most fun part of the season but but the fact that it comes like after already been doing this for six or seven months. It's like yeah you know feels like a break like maybe a month off and then we come back and do the playoffs works well for the players but it'd be pretty and then there's all manner of bumps and bruises that I'm sure you know players would love to have a couple weeks off to recuperate from but obviously then we get into you know we're playing in outdoor stadiums. Minnesota New York in all sorts of places where you don't WanNa go into November so any speaking of which the teams were about to talk about have done a whole lot of recuperating lately. They are back to full strength. Yes let's let's start with the American league wildcard game. We're GONNA get into a I like a wholesale. I am preview and then but let's since this is right in front of us. Let's go to go to this now. we have honestly two of the underdog teams like it feels a little unfair to get the as in the race together in this around. It's a little bit of a Spiderman pointing name game that's true in terms of how they were built and how they operate and their markets and all of that yes a little bit. I think we wouldn't be calling teams this good underdogs in the typical year but they just so happened to be in this year where we have four teams that won on at least one hundred one games in the division series that is set right now of course is between a hundred when teams and then the Astros are sitting waiting waiting for the winner of this wildcard game so the other. AL teams are all juggernauts at least according to their records but not so sure that at least a couple of them. The Astros are kind of in a class of their own but the as in rays are really good and they're probably the two teams that have improved the most relative to where they were a month ago. Oh just looking at guys. They've promoted guys who've come back from the injured list right now. These are sort of steering teams kind of disappointed that one of them will get to see for one game. I feel that particularly acutely for the raise not just because like just published a six thousand word feature on DAB in their long-suffering fans and they're weird stadium stadium but like not only would I like to see at least one home playoff game for them but and this is something they have in common with the nationals is I want to see that rotation like yeah go all the way through in a ah postseason series because I think as good as Charlie Morton and spin it doesn't it doesn't a little bit of a disservice to like like it doesn't illustrate. How you know how good this team is. Just aren't one game basis. They're really built to go five or seven yeah. I think that's true like you look at the as and they can match up just about as well as anyone in wildcard game. I think we'll talk about how they might do that. I'm sure but the as have such a deep pitching staff and they're almost like a post rotational team I mean they have three guys on their pitching staff. Who have started exclusively the season. I think it gets just morton and smell and glass no or the only guys who have not pitched in relief and also started if they're started so it's kind of this team effort. It's openers in its swing men and it's pig backing. McKay is also not come out of the bullpen but it's ray of minutes. I woke that yet many case he's he said. Ah Yes how to yeah yeah. It's everyone on that team. Yeah and you can make the case that it's the best pitching staff in baseball. I mean certainly the astor's and the dodgers right up there and if you're talking about rotations to the nationals in but I think the rate is just in terms of run prevention and peripherals. They're right up there with the best teams baseball in its son lesser known names but it's really impressive stuff that these guys have been. Nick Anderson for instance who came over midseason guys like that guys they've promoted everyone is nasty in that bullpen and they just mix and Max mix and match roles and they also have morton smell and glass know who those guys. Maybe don't throw the innings that some of the other aces in baseball doer at least quesnot in smell didn't because they were hurt for stretches this year but those three are almost as good as anyone else's top three and you know they'll go with Morton in this wildcard game but beyond that if they get to who at division series they look pretty scary whereas the aid is if you had asked me a month ago I would have said who starts the wildcard game for this team and who relieves enemy. I ask Susan's lesser that question six days ago and she said Homer Bailey's in the is in contention and I had to stifle laughter but you know yeah well I mean to last year the the guy who started the wildcard game for them was Leeann Patrick's right and that didn't go so well but he's had a fantastic season but like gone August thirty first. You would have said okay. William Hendricks will pitch in the wildcard game who else I guess Mike Fires had been pretty good to that point but now you look at Sean Mnaya who has been brilliant in five starts back from the injured list and they also called up. Aj puck of course in his useless Ardo who's looked great and those guys is if you pair them together and Mugniyah and you have Hendrix in the back in the bullpen. That's pretty tough after that it it gets shakier and fires viruses had a good year. He's been a little less good lately but he finished on a high note. I suppose but after that it's kind of like the twenty eighteen as story worry where it's like they piece together an entire successful season without starting rotation of of any kind really at least once. I got hurt but this year mnay is back back whereas last year they lost Mnaya and I think that could make a big difference in this game yet I think right now. The wave is pitching. If you'RE GONNA go with the guy who and try to get at five or six innings out of them he seems like the obvious candidate yeah and the old like the only real argument I can make for starting. Anybody else is pocket. Lazardo are two guys who I would wanNA bring out of the bullpen to give me length and both of them were left handed as well as an idea and I don't know if that maybe I'm just over thinking making things. Maybe you just go with your best pitcher in the in the biggest game and you figure things out from there but I think like if you're if you're going to try to piggyback something you know fires can get well. You hope that fires can get you through the order twice and then you can hand it over to Lazardo for a couple of innings and then you get into you know you're sort of Liam Hendriks air ray but the it it will be unpredictable that is the only the only constant with the ace yes so with all those guys mnay and puck and his Ardo and then Sean Murphy of course who's been catcher for them and they just got Stephen Piscotty back from an ankle injury on the last day of the season so they're still deciding whether he's too rusty the two to play in this wildcard game or not but they've gotten a bunch of guys who are really important like that's a fifth of the playoff roster right there and some really high profile players I that they got back just in time or promoted just in time and it's sort of the same story with the race who got snow back who got back and Yanni Torino and Gandhiji has has just came back so everyone's kind of gotten healthy at the right time for these teams or acclimated to the majors at the right time and so I I think they're pretty intimidating. Because of course they do other things well to their good defensive teams the as obviously have the offensive advantage here the power hitting team but the race probably certainly have the pitching depth so either one would be dangerous if they advanced past the game but you know the ace have home field advantage in the wildcard game and I don't know if there's a huge edge either way yeah. I think it's close I think you might be underrating the the Tampa Bay offense a little bit because obviously the as have those big power hitters and I think the Murphy Hall helps. I think the fact that Jerks Impo- profile has like learn how to hit again after the All star break his has been a big thing but like the rays have I mean they are a team that fielded a a a major league roster this here so obviously they have nine guys with double digit home run totals but like the the things like the big takeaway like if I to encapsulate the the the raise in one image this season it would be the G. Man Choi. Is there everyday first baseman and like he has his own grace to. Let's just let's say that but like not ideal power for her first. Baseman certainly not the Kinda guy you'd expect to be anchoring the line of for ninety one ninety six when team but he gets on base and they just have those guys who can sort of move like everybody can move the order of law whether if they put Travis Dr No in the in the line of catcher instead as Nino than like it's just eight or nine guys who and there's not an easy APP net order. I think if you're that I think is their biggest strength or maybe the area in which they match-up best against Oakland because of Oakland's trying to put together one in good game pitching like I think the raise offense has fewer weak spots in Oakland pitching staff top to bottom like Oakland is is more likely to run into the one guy who ask critical bad game and another guy I left out of my list of walking wounded who returned just in time of course Brendan Lau who was out. You're up to three months and just came back. Of course he has seventeen Dinger's in eighty two games or you know two hundred ninety six at bats so he's a good power our source that they just added to that lineup to and so I mean and even then like an they obviously missed him but you know Eric so guard played well in his absence. You Know Joey Wendell. Matt Duffy haven't been that good this season but they've come up with some big heads down the stretch like you know. Kevin cash can zakat. I talked about how Craig Counsel is. GonNa end. This is going to end up in my my nationally wildcard preview. That's GonNa go up on the site tomorrow but Craig Counsel is GonNa have to sort of change change his his team as the nationally wildcard game is going on. I think Kevin Cash can do that but he has more depth to do with the baby that if he chooses uses to play match ups like the Guy who comes in after the starter was pinch hit for a isn't going to be as big a drop off and so I think that gives them a big advantage in in this one game scenario and both of these teams were teams that were built largely through trades just sort of through swindling other teams which is kind of fun. I mean and of course the Creek Chris Archer trade has paid incredible dividends for Tampa Bay but you know the OAKLANDS got a lot of guys to just through trades are Erman McKenna of the the roof pick trade and Tommy Fam- and other guy with the race at the list goes on and on it's just it's sort of like an old school money any ball way of building a team just kind of a firing what it's like. Yeah it's strange. It's like those years from at those days from fifteen twenty years ago or back again again like the as just one ninety seven games back to back seasons for the first time since the moneyball as in two thousand and one thousand two. It's like the game has changed changed dramatically since then but these teams are still finding ways to outsmart other teams and find free talent or undervalued talent and develop other than they are. The only thing I have to to add to that is that would be so much more charming if we weren't in a situation where the red sox were considering trading mookie betts to to save payroll like it's this kind of thing is is cute when two teams are doing it but like like we talked about these these teams ninety six ninety seven wins there multiple hundred win teams across the League for was the third fourth year running and and so that's part of the polarization of the of the League right down. I think it's just you know it's. It's just an idiosyncrasy. A of baseball in the late two thousand ten. I hope is is a cyclical thing but you know what kind of player your trading. If you're trading Jeff Samardzija and you you get Marcus semi-in back. That's great if you're trading Josh Donaldson and you don't get anything great back then that comes back to bite you yeah so anyway. There's that little sliver of ambivalence with this game between two teams that I like a great deal so let's sort of spin this forward look towards the we you know we know that the twins and Yankees are GonNa play each other which feels like happened every year. I was in high school like I feel like I got home for band. Practice watched Brad Radke lose to Andy Pettitte three hundred times you know I just like the twins are just looking back at their their postseason history since they moved from Washington. I it seems like they either don't win a game and the postseason or they win they win one tops or they win the world series. I it's like this happen when they don't play the bass that's when they were real tears. That's true so anyway what do you what do you make at this. of this series as though the winner of the wild card game will will go on a pacey Astra's well. It's obviously the match up of the two teams with the most home runs ever hit in season so we're going to see a ton of Dinger's in the series. I think the twins pitching staff is probably underrated on a full season basis but in the second half I think the bullpens gotten a bit better but the rotation S- gotten significantly worse some of the guys who were really propping it up early in the season tailed off and then they lost Pineda so they're down a starter. The rotation I guess are kind of the weaknesses for these teams and the Yankees. He's are better able to compensate for that. Because of course they've built this great bullpen which should come to the fore this month. We know that Aaron Boone has talked about piggybacking starters and getting creative. They're that was before. Domingo Herrmann was suspended and made unavailable so I think the Yankees rotation has has actually been pretty successful in September and partly that's James Paxton parley. It will be severino getting back just in time. That's another huge case of of a player who was absent for most of the season providing relief important reinforcements just in the nick of time so I could see the Yankees staff going cash sixty percent seventy percent relief innings. It's hard to say because I think the League as a whole will probably be above fifty percent for the first time in October so this this team can really right. It's open heart. I think they have an advantage over the twins. They're other the twins. Bullpen has got better and beyond that it'll just be a whole lot a slugging and three run homers or solo shots and it'll all come down to Dinger's yes. It does like our remember so I was a game to the 2017 world series. The one that had thirty five home runs after the ninth inning and I think that was what I use is. The metaphor of it was like watching two drafts beat each other to death with their neck and like that's what this is going to be five games. I don't see it really going any other way. Eh One one of these teams just doesn't show up and so I don't know like I think the Yankees are pretty clearly better on paper they had slightly better record in and face slightly better competition like they seem fairly similar to the point where I don't know where specifically the twins have have an advantage like I think they're close enough to win this series all across the board but I can't like point to one thing and say oh. This is where I see the twins really making their yeah and so you know that's the like I just look up and down this lineup and like there's so many good somebody good hitter so many many dangerous headers in terms of power by you know be accuser. That's almost exactly true the Yankees and so I think this this this is from that perspective. It's kind of hard series to to predict by. I think the Yankees are are slightly better particularly because the twins like they're going to Miss Byron Boxed Oxygen Lewis Arise herders hurt his ankle on the last weekend of the season running into Williams asked to. Do who is in the middle of every thanks thanks and so that's going to be you know. He's going to be a player that the twins mysteriously if he isn't one hundred percent for this series you know. I I guess we don't really have Aftab pretense about like rooting interest but like obviously I would like to see. The twins advanced but yeah. I think it'll be close but I don't you know like I said I don't don't see the one specific thing that it gives them. An edge over the Yankees apart from their dissimilar teams in anything can happen in five games. Yeah I mean the the twins. Maybe you're the best story of the season on a team level. I guess you could say the brewers and how they squeaked in at the end there but on a full season basis the twins were really the surprise team of twenty nineteen. They won in a lot of interesting ways. They have a lot of really watchable players. I wrote in my piece at the ringer. That's up now about the astros dodgers that three teams have had above average production according to baseball prospectuses wins replacement player at every single offensive position this year and it's the astros the dodgers and the twins and as you noted the twins are getting tested a little bit there but they're still really strong strong up and down that lineup the Yankees I agree with you that they match up well and are a little bit better at certain things and probably not really worse at that much but it's almost hard to pinpoint what they are and who they are because that has changed so much throughout the season that I'm guessing that if you look at their playoff roster less of the regular season playing time will be accounted for on their playoff roster than any other teams just because guys have been coming and going all year. I'm looking right now at baseball reference page. It's almost hard to save. That's a good or a bad thing yeah I mean they've gotten guys back just in time time so it's Severino's back and Stanton's back etc but a lot of the guys who filled in for the starters the opening day people were just as good as the opening getting day people were projected to be because so many of them seem to play over their heads and so you can't even necessarily say that it costs them to lose those guys which sounds uh-huh unbelievable because they had this historic number of injuries and the most guys ever put on the injured list in a single season and yet the replacements were so effective that I don't know how much it hurt them probably hurts them a little bit but on the other hand they kind of lucked out a bit in terms of cluster luck in sequencing and clutch nece and all that so that helped make up a bit for whatever they lost in those injuries and so looking at their page on baseball reference right now that lists current injuries it still like twelve guys deep but at this point there aren't that many guys you miss anymore. I mean I'm sure they'd rather have a healthy healthy Aaron. Hicks and Edwin encarnacion should be back in time for the series so that helps and there are some nagging injuries here like James Paxton's tight right Klute which should not prevent him from starting the first game of the series and so on so it's just day to day stuff inc.. He's never seemed to get their game without someone. Having thank some minor injury so it's been a really strange season and if they weren't the Yankees and if people weren't predisposed to despise them you'd probably say that that was one of the best stories of the season that they cut through the years one of the best stories of the season so yeah so it it truly we have never seen anything like that and it's been very cool to watch. You know that's that's like what you want. Out of. Sports is next man up yeah. It's just the story there. It's not like they limped in literally. Take one hundred hundred three games. I mean it's like you don't even notice that it had any effect even though they had this unbelievable number of injuries yeah yeah. We'll see how all that plays out. I'm excited to see Mitch Garber in the postseason. Yes let's see if he prime Mike Piazza. The National Stage Mitch Garber Rav man's coming out party coming out party yeah at like our that's-that's could find I e above all else I just hope. The series goes log just to you know have all the people have watched twins and read about the twins all this season. Who The hell is this guy. Why does he have forty home runs yeah so all right. We've were were running up against it. We've talked probably more about the Astra's than any other team this season so I don't think we need to go into a whole lot of depth so let me just ask you this and then we can get out of here which team if you were the astor's which team would you be rooting for in the wildcard game. I think probably the ACE ACE Yeah I. I think the little less dangerous in a five game series than the razor. I'd be more inclined to go up against them. Obviously we've I think the Astros are the best team in baseball. We've talked about it. They're just about the best at everything her everything important so I think if you look at the fan graphs world series series odds right now they have like one in three shot to win the world series which is which is incredibly usually go through at least one hundred one team yeah their world series odds right now our as good as the next two teams combined which seems a little high to me but maybe not because it's just really an incredible team just a juggernaut and I have a big stat filled piece about that. If people want more details yet I mean the as played them tight he won eleven out of nineteen which is pretty close to a to a coin flip over the course of a whole season but yet DAB TAMPA's rotation. I think it's the difference maker yeah so I was part of me was hoping that you we disagree but as is so often the case we arrive at similar conclusions. Yes we have not perfected the debate format out. That's something for us to Marco the off season hip all right then we'll talk again after some of these games are over till nicer coming on to help you preview the the American all right tucked you next week looked ahead at the plan of action for the next few today's but we're going to have a little bit of fun before we sign off for this episode and we're going to open up the mailbag and so. I don't exactly have a guest I have the looming presence that you hear or feel throughout the show. The voice breathing on the other end of your telephone is ringer. MLB producer Sir Bobby Wagner and we're going to talk about these talk about these questions so bobby. Welcome to the other side of the microphone. There is nothing I love more than a mail bag. It's like crowd sourcing arcing the actual production of the show you love it. It's I mean it. I was GONNA say. It's so much easier than trying to come up with topics on our own but honestly honestly. Zach does most of the work so dull behind the curtain I mean I think they all suspected that but so let's let's get into the bag egg. Who Do we who do we have? What do they WANNA now. okay it's Jordan Brunell. They WanNa know can as win the world series so they're starting us off strong with a the team that I didn't even put in my playoffs this year which is tough because I actually am a quasi as fan so I didn't put them in the playoffs this year the I had the the the angels in their spot which is bleak yeah. It's a long look in the mirror man so the answer that question is obviously slee yes. I think that they've got the toughest. Well let me just put it this way. I think they've got the toughest road to the world series out of any of the ten teams for that matter. I think the only team whose chances I'm less bullish on might be Milwaukee and they're sort of in the same bag where obviously they got a lot of talent on the team mm-hmm but the competition. They're going to have to face his really intense. A you know you just heard this on the segment with Ben if they get past Tampa which I think is IOS. Certainly impossible probably probably a coin flip once again in the next round. I really think their lack of starting pitching depth is going to come back to bite them because as good as Maniaci is as much as they can upload as much as they can overload those middle innings with Parker Lazardo and multiple innings segments as well as Mike Myers is pitched that you know the first three starting pitchers are gonNA phase after this game if they win are Orlando Cole and Grandy and they might not get to game for so. I think it's a they've got a long road to to hoe by it you know. I guess there's nothing to do before back. On the Cliche of anything's possible Aswa I just the top three teams in the American League or so good that it's if they get to the world series then they will have earned it. I really feel like they have a better chance against the astros than the Yankees and I understand that like their sample size against them is still not a large enough sample size to draw definitive conclusions from this year but they did play pretty well. You mentioned the segment with Ben that they've they only lost eleven of nineteen or whatever which I know that so losing record but against the Astros there's that feels pretty damn good over the course of a five game series. You like you need to flip one. You know one game at exactly. Are we so far past the the era of wildcard team gets hot and wins the world series that felt like Don Right now now. There's like so many per- like there's so many good teams that are built bill from top to bottom that that doesn't even feel feasible anymore like the the bullshit giants. Don't feel like they can exist anymore so there's. I think there's a distinction should between even your bullshit giants and wildcard team. I think like the second best team in the like. If the the Yankees from two thousand seventeen had won the world series or even the Yankees last year like there's a difference between like the second great team division already has one of the best teams baseball team that's sort sort of cobbled together to make it in the playoffs and give themselves a punchers chance and I think the League is so strategies are stratified now a team like like the as you know I think five years ago this as team or a honestly either the past as teams would have won ninety games instead of ninety seven because because they wouldn't have been able to beat up on the bottom viewers as much as they have and I think that's a huge distinction when we're talking. I mean this one in many ways which baseball's changed over the past few years but that's definitely moderated. My sort of default standpoint of the playoffs are are completely random which come to think of it might have been an emotional emotional reaction to a way to cope with heavily favored phillies teams losing to the giants in two thousand ten and and the cardinals twenty eleven so maybe I'm just far enough removed from that and I'm seeing the light yeah seeing everything frankly but I think you know the difference. Maybe is not that those giants teams were or the two thousand fourteen royals wouldn't made it in would have had a chance. I think they would look like this year's issues as teams turn in terms record right okay so so you're what you're saying is that the as aren't actually as good as ninety seven wins or whatever. I don't think that's that controversial. I don't think so this this ninety seven win team team. Versus like ten years ago when ninety seven wins would have gotten used to to the best record in baseball. I think you just look at the roster. Obviously they're good but you know the win total. I think this is not this is not you know I. I don't mean to insult them like the name of the game of the regular season is building up your record against bad teams but I think it's easier to do that now than it used to be. Ray All right. Let's let's move on fall. Football fan asks will the nationals go further in the playoffs without Bryce Harper than they did with him which is an admittedly low bar they admit however are you prepared for the worst narrative the worst possible narrative in this an anti emily playoffs. Michael this is like maybe now for you as that avowed bryce Harper hater but for be skysurfer so exhausting I I might have confused some of your statements with some of the three hundred other mets fans including some recently minted net dub mets fans on staff I am not looking forward to that narrative if it does happen I think the movable bar from an LDS to just winning around and whether or not the wildcard counsels around maybe like the most exhausting narrative would be if they win and then lose to the dodgers because then we get we combine the the Harper Arbor Ewing theory discourse with the does the Wildcard Count as a playoff berth discourse so honestly I think a win the win against Milwaukee and so what you want to make and I think that you know Zach and I talked about this. There are a real threat to the dodgers. I think that they're the second scary esteem team in the nationally not just because of the rotation but because I of Soto and Renault D- And some of the other guys have gotten that lineup trae Turner and and the fact that the bullpen is weak but so is the dodgers bullpen and as you know as much as maybe the braves bullpen is better than the cardinals bullpen. It's not like lashes. It's as bullpen so I I think that they've got a legitimate shot if they get out of the wild card game become added to come out of the National League but yeah I mean that discourse of course going to be brutal if they do Daniel asks. Who's your prediction for unsung playoff hero? His vote goes to Gavin Lux so I the way that this question's worded makes me think like the guy who comes from off the radar because you know Gavin locks hits a home run in the world series then he's GonNa get sung plenty. Sir The guy you know I think there are two two ways to look at this. One is like the PAT borders world series. MVP were just a guy who wasn't that good in the regular season turns into a monster in October and that is a well trodden playoff narrative in one. I happen to have quite a soft spot for the other is like the prospect who really jumps up and Gavin locks. I think is going to be a statewide and we've seen this you know however many times Manny Machado at the Orioles we've seen it with dating back to k Rod with the angels in two thousand two is probably the most obvious example. I you know Lux's is a pretty good good bet for this. If you WANNA frame it like that just because I expect the dodgers to go pretty far the guy if if I'm GonNa like pick to just based on nothing but gut. I'm going to pick two guys better than I talked about. Mitch Garber I think could have a a big impact. Act is like somebody who really comes from off the radar for the casual fans. I think you know how I don't know how many like Casual Yankees fans know who Mitch Garver is and he could hit four home runs in that series and the other guy. I'm good actually I'm not sure if we if his name died got brought up at at all I think if the raise make it added the wildcard game I think Willie Adama could be a big impact player. in terms terms of his ability impact the game both offensively and defensively. He's got a lot of power for shortstop. Even in this day and age I think he could be a guy who really jumps off the field is it's like I sorta you know when the pirates were in the in the playoffs every are sort of half jokingly predicted Jordy Mercer to win and Lcs Mvp because that's just always how it sort of shakes out. David David freeze is one of these guys whose is sorta like comes from off the screen every year but Yeah GimMe Mitch Gardner and Willie Dallas. Can I nominate someone that we you donate whoever you want no no can. I nominate someone who cannot win this award because they're not actually unsung and they're well known. They're very impact player for a team. Go for it Ramon Laureano. Can we stop talking about how Ramon Laureano is an Unsung hero of the keys I I they keith still like far from a a household name respect. I mean they're neither is plenty of guys on the as are not household names. I I would argue that. Maybe Not Matt Olsen or match. 'em I'm in our household names but I don't think Ramon Laureano among baseball types is particularly unsung. I feel like someone like Marquette. Is Maybe even more unsung than Ramon Laureano Donna. That might be true. I think there I mean there's we also need to moderate as I hear from ferber editors all the time like borderie when when we're talking to baseball hipsters we're talking to like the general public yes so like Ramon. Oriana is obviously a big deal for baseball history or hipsters. I think yeah I I would probably Louis throw him in the category with players who could have like a really with a good postseason could really get on like the national radar for the first time I think backs Kepler's flers one of these guys the cast and here's one of these guys like using that as a launching pad to greater notoriety and start him. I think that's a fair point. I just think the throws alone have made him enough of a baseball twitter icon that I feel like he's no longer on some. He's just placed real life. Yeah yeah well. Neither are baseball podcasts but here we are all right. Let's move on this one. This next one comes from my burner from Eric Garment assuming he wins his second straight. Cy Young Award safe to assume Zim where does Jacob degrom rank among pitchers in the two thousands little boy so this I actually Bente like go and make less for this and then I forgot because you were teaching me how to set up by microphone so I this is not as well thought out answer as I would have liked it to B- I think so just off the top of my head. I think he's still behind Sherzer and Kershaw. He stole behind ver- lander. If you WANNA go like all the way back like do we talk talk about. He'll was Pedro Pedro in the two thousands. Logger underground is has been Pedro. You know same with Randy Johnson Roger Your Clemens I still think he's got a ways to go before he catches. Ray halladay probably Felix Hernandez too but after that like we start unless some missing somebody obvious. It feels like we get into well. That's debatable territory pretty quickly. I think he's still chasing. I don't know is he still chasing Johan Santana. That's because that's sort of where the the line is because Santana was like I talked about this. What I wrote about Burland Hall of fame case last month that Santana Santana was like the best pitcher in baseball or close to it until he was like thirty or thirty one and then he just completely dropped off the map and so- degrom I think is is GonNa age better but he also started kind of late and so like he doesn't have to win more CY young awards. I think to to catch up to somebody like Santana antenna or you know somebody like Brandon Webb but I think he just needs a gentle decline phase and I think for want of a gentle the gentleman client as a couple of guys are gonNA end up missing the you know missing the hall of fame for instance and like it also depends on whether Evalu- peak verses Sa's versus longevity because you know you look at somebody like Cole Hamels who I don't think it is best was close to white degrom has been at his best but he's been doing it for for almost fifteen years every year at so it you know it part of it like is this just like a a career war career strikeouts leaderboard or how much credit are you giving degrom for putting up. Maybe the best pitching season in two thousand ten last year yeah I so so I think if he remains like if he has a gentle decline like you're describing I think he will pass all of these guys because I think peak. He's higher than a lot of these guys like a couple of other guys. Pop that come to my should be on that list two guys. He's behind so yeah yeah couple other guys that come to mind that was like someone like Roy Oswald or someone like Chris Carpenter but they just did it way longer. You know like like I think obviously hit his last. Two seasons are better than any of any two seasons that either of those guys can pick and choose and he's done consecutively and he's about to win back to back cy youngs and you know. I think he's even been better for longer than someone like Lindsey Graham or or even like Matt. CAIN is another guy who would probably edge degrom out in terms of like total accomplishments huts thousands. That's good to be true because what was to grounds rookie year. Was it twenty four ten fourteen rookie of earlier. I guess it hasn't been as long as you also. He missed half the two thousand sixteen season as well. That's true yeah it. I guess if feels like he's been because he came up and he was already kind of old for a rookie and he was just so polished like there is no like there's little anticipation very little ramp-up away like the prospect. I tell you over. Even somebody like like Matt Harvey or Yu Darvish Scher Jose Fernandez was he sort of appeared fully formed. I guess again my mind. This guy has been in the majors for a couple of years already before he performs way didn't twenty fourteen so yeah. I think you know it's I think he's GonNa GonNA end up with more longevity than Lynch succumb but he still got a I mean that's the question is like the peak is obviously better than guys like. Os while they're Hamels Mark Burleigh but the he he still got a ways to go and I you know I think longevity does matter you know and it's not just taking the guy's best season so we'll see you know I have no. I forgot to mention Chris Sale. David Price certainly on longevity probably not on peak is is a guy that grabs still chasing so we've probably mentioned something like fifteen twenty names which feels kind of weird to say about a guy who's in his thirties in his already one will probably win his second cy young this year to go along with the rookie of the year yeah to go along with work ear pitching the world series made numerous all star teams so on so forth do do we say Kershaw first name that you can't for so long ago and I just sort of tossed it immediately out. I was just like if we didn't sit like I could. You Know Oh you know you didn't if we'd forgotten cranky with that but like okay I'm excited for the the quick pitch phase of Jacob degrom career like he needs to talk to mark Berlin about that how grank he did. It was always had the the finance but he does not have the power anymore and he's he's just like he's turned into to like Florida Man Louis Tian All right. Let's let's speed through a couple of these last one out here. Here's a fun one from Dan Dunford. What baseball player current or past would be best in uncut gems or an uncut gems type of film? He says having watch just the two minute trailer but having watched it thirty or forty times. I think Kevin Garden that's GonNa be awesome. Oh No word on the street and I hi like I say this is somebody who does not like Kevin Garnett like. I don't like his stick. I didn't like him as a player in this is entirely sixers fan bias but like I I'm very optimistic for his performance so like who is like the Kevin Garnett tight and it's got to be an it can't just be like a like a fun guy or somebody like baseball. Baseball writers think is funnier or interesting smart because it's not you know there's there's more to it than that and the bar frankly is a little bit low like you. WanNa say somebody like tweak but I don't I thought of yeah at just feels a little but obvious I think he engine review would be awesome it in an uncut gems. Oh I don't know if he could play it straight though he's really funny obviously you look back at some of the Rahman commercials that he's done but I don't know like there has to be sort of like a menacing factor to the person that you choose shoes yeah. He's just not threatening enough well. I think I think we mostly associated with being like a super nice guy like we just spent seven minutes talking about Jacob degrom. Ingen review is the only other guy who could challenge the ground for the CY young this year and he came out and said he feels like the Graham should win. which is something? Kevin Garnett would never do so if that's the bar using feel like engine does not quite clear that bar so we need. We need an edge. I think this matches up in terms of star power firm lander maybe I. I don't know if he's got the his pudgy. It's got a dad energy boom. I don't think he's Pudgy at all. I think he's in great shape you you skinny people like you and Kevin Garnett need to need to slow your roll bet now. We're just talking about the ideal human body. We're debating human body Eddie Kyle seager. I don't know if he's got the you know he's certainly not a hall of Famer like Kevin Garnett heads but yeah I think he's got not that kind of range that you know that that combination of of like the bug eyed wild man and like the the menacing when he wants to do do it and the like the gregarious humor when he wants to do it. I think kyle might not be a bad pick for this. I think so here here's my my interpretation of this and you're never gonna find someone like tall and necessarily intimidating as Kevin Garnett but you do need someone to screen president's presence yeah and you need someone eager. Bigger is not that I you need someone who has like enough style pop off screen so for that reason I'm going with Marcus stroman because he gets show up looking fantastic and and I feel like you could put on a mean face if he needs to while if you want somebody who's keyed up. All the time is kindergarten at was marcus. Stroman is definitely fits that bill exactly exactly yeah. It's it's definitely the opposite kind of of screen presence on a Verlinden Seger. It would be a different move. I mean it'd be inherently different movie with a baseball player than with the basketball player but they don't need to be tall. Tom Cruise is like five four man. We could work camera angles circus stroman. It's fine not Pete Alonzo you think pilon uncut gems sir him in him in Francesa already have reported missing. Obviously I think bryce Harper could do this yeah. Yeah that's fine although he has no like. There's no authenticity. They're like I feel like when even from the trailer I can see. Kevin Garnett is like you're not always always thinking about how he's acting necessarily Bryce Harper. I'm always thinking about how he's acting even when he's posting on Instagram so I mean I was thinking about how Kevin Garnett was acting. You don't think that there's I don't think kindergarten persona was entirely artificial and cultivated that well to say okay we funding the headbutting the the stanchion like but only right in front of the TV cameras his images exactly what he wanted to be let's let's move on and Connor Farrell as the should the juice ball play a factor in comparing pitchers to hitters for rookie of the year and MVP so this is a great question in because not because I have like a clear cut answer because I don't know exactly how it affects you know who'd affects how and in what ways I think the landers season this year where he gave up bucket loads a home runs and no and almost no runs on on like walks and hits. is a perfect example of how obviously it's having some effect. I don't know what that effect is yet and I think you know if we're looking at season two a seat but I think this is a good reminder to to sort of take season to season totals with a grain of salt just because I'm not sure we really really understand the totality of how the juice ball is impacting your performance in who and what type and so I think it's GonNa take a while for some this statistical models. Dell's to to sorta catch up and to maybe maybe less oh that changing how we evaluate players and so I think we're still a aways from understanding how all this is going to work but I think you know I didn't. When I was writing my awards calm. I didn't really take it into account just because I didn't really see this is not like last year where I saw a really clear case for a pitcher to win when an MVP award I think the best asked rookie in in both Leeds was pretty clearly a power hitter and in both cases a guy who probably benefited from the balls but was gonna hit. A ton of home runs anyway so so I don't know like I don't know how I would do that but I think it's definitely something to keep an eye on. I think my answer would be yes that it should factor in however ver- if you use advanced metrics if you use war things are already park and league adjusted so I think we probably don't realize how much these these things are already being factored in Brent Abo I mean it's like if you're willing to trust war. We're already lists yeah. This and I think war is thinking about this but like war formulas changed over time. I'm just thinking about like what is League Alex Bregman case for instance like you know this the other thing. I don't know how much juiced ball is helping him versus how much helping by trap but you know a guy who could play shortstop hitting four hitting forty home runs slugging close was to six hundred isn't as remarkable was anymore so I think some of that like shock from those those baseline numbers that like any other year like cal rickie done that he would have won the MVP I don't think that really applies anymore. I think you know we're still sort of. Maybe I was wrong to say. Statistical models need to catch catch up and I think our own heuristic are still balling okay. We're running short on time last two questions. There are tandem one is from our lovely co worker Donnie Kwok and the other there is from someone with the twitter name polar bear who is my lovely co worker in mets fan but I assume the first one is how many games would a team of Tommy Edmonds Man. I I don Equa- CTS cousin yeah so the if every position player is Tommy. I think you'd actually do okay assuming you could teach two of your ad Tommy Edmonds to catch which I think I mean. This is going to factor in to you know I think he could play almost almost anywhere on the diamond. The obviously hit pretty well this year as long as he doesn't have to pitch. I think you know you've gotta assuming assuming he learns how to catch like competently. You probably go five hundred right. That seems high. That seems high. Why are we assuming he doesn't have to pitch. There's no caveat because if he had to pitch you'd like twenty years yeah okay yeah that's fair. I think if this leave I don't know I've been wrong about Tommy Edmund before well yeah now if you can exclude pitchers and catchers I feel like they might win. You know like eighty five games okay if everybody on getting three hundred hundred then you're probably GonNa win a lot again. That's that's fair yeah. The other thing is is he playing against like normal teams or the Edmund in clones playing player clone bryce Harper clones the trout clothes the Otani clones that brings us to part two which is if you had to fill a whole team's roster with one player like the Lebron argument in basketball who would it be and I guess why yes so there is a time an in space where like every time Noah syndergaard or Madison bumgarner would hit a home run people would say this and it was like the most universally personally acknowledged like the Madison Bumgarner team Madison bumgarner would be a team of x number of other players and it was like the most universally acknowledged baseball accepted baseball thing that was so wrong because you don't just have to be able to pitch in hit you have to be able to catch any after able play shortstop and so so the only the only person that I can think of is in the major leagues right now who is done all those things and also hit at an elite level is buster. Posey who was a shortstop until like a sophomore or junior year Florida state where he was also briefly the closer like. I don't think he'd be a good Major League pitcher but I think I would trust you. You know he'd probably be in the top ten percent position players in terms of pitching on he was also an excellent defensive catcher and in his prime could help that any position listen elsewhere on the field and you know. I don't know if he's passed. It's possible he stole the answer but if he's you know he's getting up there in age. Well God he's almost exactly to the day the same age I am so the fact that he's getting old is is a real bad for me but I guess writers writer's age better than catchers. He's he's past his prime and so. I don't know if he's still the answer. I think you assume that whoever this is this gets you you get to those. Three clones have an off season to learn how to catch you. Don't necessarily have to pick a catcher in which case. Shohei ohtani feels feels like an obvious. Answer is the dancer. Yeah I think Andrew Jackson Simmons is the dark horse for this. I think he would adapt catching better than Otani. I think you're up the middle defense defense or I guess your defense everywhere would be so good that it wouldn't matter if pitcher Anderson Simmons who was ninety seven off the mound in college let Awada Balls get an apply but I also think like picking Otani Sorta doesn't feel like it's within the spirit of the question no so yeah I I. I think it's possible that the answer is still buster Posey. Maybe the answer somebody like. I was GONNA say like you could try. Jd Davis but like maybe you could teach to catch but you definitely couldn't teach them to play shortstop. so maybe that's the maybe Ramon Morio you know. Jd Davis is a tough one. I was actually getting ready to say Raimondo despite hype a little bit he can. I mean he's hit over. A hundred multiple multiple throws from now field. I think he could probably hit mid to upper nineties from the mount if he had an off season to kind of get that that arm motion correct so yeah he he's about toys either yeah I I don't. I don't know like the you know there are other guys like our mookie betts just like not just such a good athlete but like so so so athletic in that Andrew Hilton Simmons like Body Control Way that I'm certain you could teach him to do almost anything but like absent essentially as in a record as a college pitcher I if we're choosing. I hesitate to if we're just choosing a Tuesday outfielder you can teach to do anything and the answer would be Mike. Trout though I think pitcher by track gives up a lot of runs and I think catcher my trout. Let's up a lot of passed balls well. I don't know I feel like if if he has an entire off season. He's pretty athletic. He's squatty enough to get down. There was the last whose last Major League shortstop whose neck was wider than his head. That's the big thing with Mike Trout and honestly this is a big thing with Otani and that's why like I don't think that I just might be kind of like a little big ungainly and I know the straight line speeds great but I have a hard time managing him catching her playing shortstop and the same for trout. I can see Chapman and Aaron auto catching so maybe they're not bad answers yeah. That's not a and you know I just don't have any of them like all of these guys have pitched at some point in their in their lives but you know. I don't know you know like I know what J. D. Davis was a pitcher in college. You know and I don't I don't have that Kinda date on on those players yeah all right well. That's about all we have have time for that. I think and then some so all right well. It's good to well. I guess I hear your voice every week but it's good to to let the listener to Your Voice Bobby. It's good to be here. I'm excited for the playoffs. That'll just about two for this week's dishes of the ringer. Mlb Show thanks always Zach Ben for joining me. Thanks to all of you who submit questions for our mailbag. Sorry we couldn't get get to all of them. I thanks Bobby Wagner for reducing today's episode next to Max Scherzer Mitch Garber and Buster Posey forgiving stuff to talk about about and thank you for listening joy the first round of the playoffs and we'll see an extra.

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Episode 198: Subway Miracle

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Episode 198: Subway Miracle

"I'm. Terry. Six. Time to. One. where? You're. Just. Seventy seventy today. What's up what's happening? Welcome it's not dishing of the short porch presented by Barstool sports and Miller lite as usual light beer. Murali has always been there to bring people together through Miller time but in the world, we always can be people Miller time might be a moment on zoom call a quick Portugal with your neighbors messing up for socially distant hanging out outside today I watched the game at a barth I needed to watch the game with the bar based on what was going on and I was having a few great nationless filling mirror lights and it was it was help me. Cope what was happening until something really cool which we're GonNa get you in a second. But. whether you chosen friends near for great taste is always close by from all lane happy hours to socially distant picnics. We're enjoying new ways of spending time with our friends. And we're doing it with Miller light great tastes only ninety six calories at three point you carbs however you and your friends join motor light Miller time this summer, you can have the ritual light beer delivered by going to Miller lite dot com forward slash porch, and finally delivery options near you celebrate responsibly. Miller brewing company Walkie Wisconsin nicest cars entry carbs for twelve outs. Joined here by Mardi Mush Tj, the ones and twos what's going on guys? I. One of the most stressful weekends I thought so many times the tweet out bad things and I didn't WanNA regret it down the road. I were. On the last show but it's funny guy funny. How like good. The White Sox have guys like your. In I don't have time to deal with the white sox right got other mugged in the. You know what? They're playing the royals I don't care. All right we're not starting at the white tag just think you forgot you weren't on the show last so other bring that up. But and we have. T remind me we have to bring up him was professional debut, but we have to obviously talk with the Yankees to start. One of the more roller coaster weekends. Dec's had the lead in every single game. They blew a lead in the first two on Friday lead both games. Friday. Was One of the worst days like my life. I. Think it was like I I was it seemed impossible was happening Chad Green giving up three homers and then Chapman giving his homer his walk walk the Yankees got walked off at home. That just doesn't HAP-. That was sad though that when It moves like such the perfect weird game just a weird series in a weird season nothing about dapple. Honestly after the second game, I'd given up hope twenty twenties. I was ready to just call it. Let's bear up the whites I was getting chirp by White Sox ends the first time in my life I could not say anything bedazzled these were so bad and lighter playing the mets and it's just like a blow in leads unlike this is not the New York Yankees I know were hurt I know this doesn't matter. This doesn't happen. Yeah, and I T. I'm pissed didn't get noticed but I did not introduce. Tommy. At the top of the show introduced Marty Tj because I'm still just so pissed at you about that fucking tweet on Friday I don't tell me do not. Tell me do not tell me that. Apology no go fuck yourself tell yourself that's your own an apology I wanted to start the show. You're a hypocrite you up until like two months ago. How'd in your twitter bio drinks? Twitter is the worst that was literally in your twitter byles and you're gonNA. Let me trying to claim that. Being the very embodiment of Jinx what are you? Know, there are exceptions there. Are Three sections. There are three exceptions, Bob Nightingale Kevin Clancy which we saw today and you. Thing you just made up no. No after Friday you get your. You ever since. I my tweet was correct at the time Yankees running four nothing after not having scored a run in like in brief weeks and the five game series. The Yankees once reatified they want on two different walk off wins at an extra innings. Grand, slam had a prospect made a great debut. They're cured the mets Jordan the Yankees God bless New York mets, my tweet was correct. Age like a fine fucking y you are so lucky they won these last three games otherwise someone was going to burn down your house someone was going to it might have been me I would have gone to jail just kill myself afterwards. But like I I was so miserable on Friday and it just kept getting sent your tweet and it was making my ears and is Simultaneously I got it tweeted so many times I want all take expose old takes expose for retweeting it. I also got so many bad. The thing that I saw her at met fans they all of the this picture that fat Slob Bartolo. Clone is their profile picture of the one home run five years ago get over it. You fucking losers and they all tweet. Helmets fallen off home run. I ate this was I've just felt. So combative this weekend I really have I don't know what got into me. I hate these fucking Sura met fans and this was rejuvenating weekend of that nature. Take a breath to take one breath. My Gosh. We won three games in a row. I that was built up. I. Just had to come out after I wrote down. Out, of thing, a list of things I wanted to yell out. If felt good finally to get back of people our like our the is that scoreboard for real the the Yankees losing seven, one, seven, two, two. Dumb can you out? Dumb can you be like white sox days like? You're you've done so many times I understand KFC, the mets like they never get to win. Blah Blah. How stupid can you be like? It's happens all the time especially this year and cues up to laugh he just still so dumb. Yeah. All right. Let's let's go through. We talked about the you know I think that's as bad as this like how angry we're GonNa get like we got it out. We now moving on we're good. Saturday let's talk. I could just because Steve. Cohen bought the mets. Literally Act like they've just one, the next ten world series just as you have an owner doesn't a good owner doesn't mean, Shit you still have to get the players. You have to win the baseball games. So that's just another thing where that's like in Saint. The Yankees there to the why would go the mess from the Yankees are right there I also don't understand. How Like KFC, thinks motion all access gone because they got a new guy do owner well, that's not true. Did you see what happened today like they're just gonNA I know he's not the owner right now but like they all thought the moment he got announces that he won the bid, which still isn't finalized and I can still see Steve Cowan going to jail for something I'm sure he's done enough bad things as life I wouldn't be stunned if he was on the Epstein Island at one point I just. The hell. Out. One hundred. It just like no, but that's the it'll be the perfect mets. Get Perfect. Mets thing. I'm not. They're not going to turn into some happy-go-lucky franchise that all of a sudden gets good things happening. No, that's not just going to happen get Outta here But yeah, I'm with you there and I can't texted me all weekend after every moment. So and then and then you go back with him and he's like, yeah, as a matter of fact, season Steve. Cohen's our owner like he like he thinks it's just fine where like I don't know you wanted to win today like you absolutely wanted to win both of these games they don't kid yourself. If you if you split today, you would've taken. three five and you would have won the season series and you've. You've talked about it for fucking dates weeks years. We're talking in this series for years. So it's over with they can be pushed aside. The fact that the Yankees put as bad as they did this weekend and didn't even play like they had elite in every game. So tougher eighty played bad but they didn't play well and they still want three or five just shows what a poverty franchise, the mets, the mets are. Saturday mets sale as like the with the incompetent owners for years I'm excited to see them fail is like the big market money spenders now it's a new way to watch them fail I'm excited for it. Yeah I mean member when they pay Jason Bay and how that guy was a disaster. So that's right. got a huge deal. You cesspits. Like they've paid people before it just doesn't work. They picked the wrong people. So I don't know the only the only people that give them monthly works out degrom. He's pretty much like unmatchable. Disappoint. They still score runs from by the way he's a coward by the way to Krom. He Oh he's not pitches tomorrow I. Believe it gets the MARLINS. It's his fourth straight start against the MARLINS. Never had has never happened before in baseball history. He's GonNa Pitch against the bonds four straight games. Like no shit your year one. I only play they only play three. With Kobe Post they're only playing three series against teams in your division but I don't know. I remember reading that tweet and there's just like are you how houses boss but I could I Could have worked outlet they played one. Game Cobra happen they had finished the series another time dot to starts in one series. Yeah I. I mean, obviously, it's a product of Kobe but. Last restraints, August ninth August Nineteenth, August Twenty six, and then tomorrow all against the Marlins I kinda love that. Before that was the red sox. So he's pitched in one good game. This year is against the braves. You WanNa. Catch the Yankees. Now take the MARLINS. Yeah like Oh here you're here options and say all right cool Hey I'm not complaining. But Saturday. Was a put up or shut up day for. Jay. Hat. And the man put up he will and he shut everybody else up you know we we ripped him obviously everyone ripped him for saying like I'm being skipped. This is bullshit everyone's against me don't want to hit my vesting option they game the ball on Saturday and the man fucking showed up seven innings. He was so good. He was so good. He was pitching with a purpose. He's pitching a man on the mission and was just I don't even want to say good for him. I. Don't know if it's a good thing for to keep pitching for this team but like the man needed a star and he put his fucking nuts on the table and and. You know obviously off onto blowing it like the next pitch effort he's taken out but. mandate. Need to start like that from J.. I still think he was wrong for what he said at the time but like having that was so just associate. I don't say it'd be now all of a sudden it's like, do we trust Jay Avci though the problem? We're not like back into that? I trust. The should've after that game. It was. I. Didn't know that was like we lost that game meltzer longest losing streak in twenty five years. That's. GonNa kill myself. Over there. fucking wild. Pitch. Over their last eight starts I think Jay half has lower than Garrett. Cole. I don't know how that's fucking possible. At the ever saw tweet and I'm pretty positive was correct over the past eight starts. Garrett. Cole has or J. happens lower than. Darko. Again, ever learn dismiss that we're going to move on from that, but he was really good seven, hundred, three hits. No walks five case not ninety pitches. They know like. Every ending you're like wait I, think I want you to keep pitching. It was very weird to see that they bring bringing auto and he gives up a bomb and it's like how is it and this is this is fresh off the double header law. So it's like what is happening here like how are they going to? How is this? We're just in this nightmare we cannot escape it. and Luckily and. Ended up winning on the wild pitch and just like Jesus like the most anti climatic win of all time because and can't on the zone. It was bad dell and what did that Goodell and looks like the night before is good Delon. And then you saw on Saturday bed dealt walk Clint Garner strikes out Jordy mercer singles them over, and then Bet wild pitch that wasn't even close and Clint scores. There's just mad. I was just laughing outlet and Erik Kratz is at the plate and aircraft's went to went to. But when Clint scored like he, he was on his own to it wasn't a call from the bench. was just. Safety squint home the win that game zone. So wild move but I'm in love with real quick. It was talking jake crowd that stat dre half lasted games forty innings three point one, five, era yard olas eight, forty, six, innings. Three point three three, right that's insane. But yeah, I'm in love with Eric Kratz today clogging Debbie Garcia, the lion facemask talk columnists on tripping all over the place I wanna Eric Rats to be the future Yankees capture. How far into the future, he's forty years old. What are we talking about here I? Want I want and twenty, thirty, five I want Debbie Garcia Thrown Erik Kratz? Fifty five year, old grits life like this new guys for no reason to do now aircrafts is also seems like a good guy. Does. He does he know Tommy's find here? Tommy's fine here like fucking no no palisades. Good Place. I just like how he's caught like he actually puts him economist I mean Gary Grand Slam tonight. Awesome. But like if you put side by side at Kratz bad versus Garrett bet like at least crafts like looks like takes pitches and puts the ball in play and. For the most part. Of the boom bust guy. But I, just like a crash has been catching people. He you know it almost half quotes after game on Saturday was like he basically wants Crabbie's personal catcher that's what it seemed like and and the way Kratz obviously caught Debbie today they go back. They've been like back. They like for a year but they caught him, they caught a little in triple A. and. I believe Debbie Calls Him Padre. Which is obviously Spanish for father But like you know forty and a twenty year old at twenty, one year old, it's an interesting dynamic and. There was that hot mike today as he was running to go catch me. I'm going to go catch my son but yeah, I e kratz crafts a solo show this weekend. He he's. He's becoming of a fan favourite I. Don't know I want to. Caution. You guys though he easily could just be tomorrow because I think Higashienokida is fully healthy. And you can't have three catchers on the roster. You Still Exist. Then he's he's got such a we're trying to. figure out like what he looks like I don't even know it. He just doesn't look a baseball player. My roommate joked that like his kids probably don't believe he plays for the Yankees like come on like where you always like he's almost like Alice crusoe where it's like there's this. Out Yes, aware as Jersey. So people believe him. Yeah. No way you play. C. Yankees get out of here. He just looks like the ultimate guy who's cooking burgers on a grill on Sunday and he's like, tell you stories on the like his men's League Baseball leads. Yeah. But. Guy Just, caught to gems. from happened and evie. So man, I'll fucking take it. Yes Oh Sunday and we haven't even talked about that comeback yet. So I mean they're dead in the water. On Sunday after I, it seemed like the Yankees just punted the game away. They punted basically two run lead away by perks. Christie comes in for Mike King once again was good. And like the stat line stat lines just don't like king at all but I thought he'd just if you look at three and two, thousand, six hits, two runs one walk three KS, it's fine but he just put so much better than that. It's like really just one inning that kind of kills King But it gives up two runs. They bring in Christie he gets out of the JAM. Very quickly and then. That bad. That Chris key when he came in, he looked at the picture like. Was Repairs Three Pitch nimmo right. He wasn't touching him. Yeah. So that was huge but then they kind of just did the thing where they leave the guys into long and I get it like they're short armed for sure and you Kinda have to ride guys but to run game. Yeah. Perks. Christie pitching here. Like, what are we doing and he ends up giving up five runs and five hits and because Forty one pitches he's stretched out for that and. When it was like seventy two. I was so sad I haven't been so sad about watching a baseball team. I was legit like just seeing the tweets on like is really is how it feels to be while lowered teams and. said that like two episodes ago like we're still the Yankees imagine if we were rooting for a bad team and then that show happening and I was like Oh my God, we're ready for a bad team we're. GonNa see a lot of all my out. We're a bad team. Thank God like. DJ's. Back. Like I don't know how even play those games where shallow was hurt lake. It was getting to a point today where I was like there was a sick artem or it's I wanna see how bad it can get today when it was like seventy two I was like I want I get fucking embarrassed. I. Felt like more of those weird like dudes like to like. Dominated dern. Sex. I want to. Punish me like I WANNA get. Embarrassed our to see how low this. Before like before they like bottom out that was not expecting them to score at all that point any life in them and two outs to a weird analogy. But I, think it worked. No. I. Kinda I kinda felt the same whereas like you know what? Let's fucking be the worst team and pretend we don't give a shit. All right. Let's get it all out of our systems is one game and then lectures back. Let's get normal going forward. I it's just the whole wasn't today to is like because that's when I just never. Do the Tweeden and like saying like fuck off unlike the white sox war whatever the mets it was it was not a fun time. I mean I I said between I mean, I don't know what was lower. Either I'm trying to think what was low either after Friday night or today when it was seven two, both were pretty law but at least at a win the previous day I don't know what the hell that was. Just too. We've we kept the podcast on professionals, but Tommy likes to get beaten during sex like. I said you were talking about the opposite fucking said I. said that when I was about how bad it was when it was seven to mets today like how low lowy felt I said there was like a sick army or I wanted to see how bad it could get. The like bottom out. Like I'm saying like a guy who is not bottoming out. Because they ended up winning I wanted to be like I just wanted to be like you know keep scoring those runs I want wanted is like a guy who gets dominated during sex. I wanted the mets to punish me I want them embarrass the Yankees and then we can just bounce back, get it out of our systems and go on going. We just bounce back from getting trounced by than that. Sometimes, you need that or you could just come back and win the fucking baseball run. That wasn't. Even thought it wasn't even thought by headed that point. Okay well. When you like Oh, I just spit out my coffee I actually just like physically spit when when I heard that as we were talking about was a wild show so far but it was a wild series where it's fitting. Yeah. I. I, was recapping the fuck out my internet but this just how they mounted a five round comeback four reaches out an error. Gets the second on defensive indifference with two outs. Then there's a walk then there's a hit by pitch. Then Voi- gets that like excuse me single through the right side the and then Siro is thrown out by like fifteen feet and they just dropped the ball he was out. He was Noah's been more out in their lives and thyroid third, and the Metro is like now and in the back way ahead I'm like wait like this only happens when the. Mets just have this. I shouldn't have tweeted it but it had in my house like something's going to happen here because that should have been the final out like one hundred times out of one hundred and it just wasn't as that's very mets to happen right now it was awesome. It was very reminiscent of like the series where Casio dropped pop-up to lose the game in two, thousand nine and that was like a turning point of the season right and then. A little coaxing bill, which he hits the ball like the way he never hit a ball I've ever seen in his life that ends up owning land run. That's what I was starting to be like. Okay. So that's when I was thinking in my head. God bless the new. York mets nabbed when you knew that as bad as the Yankees have been the mets or about the gift. The Yankees, something from the God. Yeah. Then there's another wild pitch and then Hicks comes up and just hits the fuck into missile which by the way kind of just got out and he knew the moment he the moment he started to swing he started the pit and like it's still kind of only got out but it wasn't missile and you know you hit a ball like that. With. Just enough elevation it's gone but. I mean Aaron Hicks has done nothing pretty much all year. Thank you Aaron Hicks. We needed that could have been such a bad luck if that was like six inches lower that ball he's just like he gets a sick golden you. Get a single. Yeah I was I was ready to start tweeting out like how what is dad how he'd better be getting like is he getting traded like why he not playing? On there's our one eighty three hitter walks like some like I was ready to go off on him and then he ended up with that. So I mean he takes as much as we do get on him. He will have pretty cool moments like that. The man knows how to PIPPA Homerun. I'll tell you that like you there's not many better at pimping hormone knowing that got one. Then him Thank God for that and then chatting. Thank God the Luke voight. I WANNA thank Luke boy he is leads if in. Home. Batting average. If he was on this team, we'd be literally. Be We should be in the minor leagues. That's how bad this are of lineup for some time. Leading the team he leads like baseball and like many of. The monster but he's He's Ropley him and Nellie cruise for Jose. Abreu for MVP. It's like those three guys they're right. Trout start having isn't he hit to sixty right now? Last I saw I thought he was stolen I did I. Maybe that could have been just a dream. I had a had a trip of jury must site that could have been? To. Seventy seven. Still, got like what twelve home run Mike jobs is always going to be the MVP race. He's at twelve homers. He leads the league with our is situated eighty two to drop today a little bit voice numbers I'm telling you know stand up right with those. Like all across the board obviously try we'll get you your speed and all that although Luke looks just been leading off in kind of doing his thing and. Scoring and all and score from I. The other day I think in the first game of the doubleheader on Fridays scores from first. So. I. Protect void all costs. I cannot afford an injury with that man like I would break my heart I just we didn't want to say his name on the last pockets of like a guy who could. Just ended all, that's. It was him. Every time he's a slimmest media smother at in the world and I think he's GonNa turn out one. Honestly, almost turns on every time. Remember when people said, he lost too much weight during quarantine and he'd lost his power. lost. The most perfect amount of weight in the world he's the perfect. He's a he's a specimen right now he's just you wanted to look like look void when you play baseball each. Her him he was he started the year maybe one for seven like bat like maybe a rough two games that was it and people were like turning on our at even. But ever since then he's been the most consistent I mean. To her I mean being. Without Lavar, people love to turn them loose weight as quick as possible and I don't know if it's like. Like Greg Bird singer Emma whatever where people just like they're all fucked sky for taking Greg Birds Job in the back of their head they were they were just picking advocates for him but like I laugh at anytime, people criticize what because the man just always answers and he's answered like like you know other this year for sure and Mets and Yankees here. But if you pick Pete Alonzo overlook for right now, you just aren't watching baseball on your eyes don't work. As void it's more people were like they almost can't believe how good he's like going from like nothing on the cardinals becoming discount on the. Yankees. Like time he has one get game people like L. See he's a fluke and they can't believe the broadcast was able to find a superstar for like. Yeah. It's the most will ever be in our lives is luke floyd over anyone else like we said it from the jump we were the First People that bandwagon that's our guy. But yeah. Chattering comes in and that game the first game of the doubleheader on Sunday fresh off of just getting shit on his last two appearances since taking a ten day layoff and he was. Vintage cyborg chattering struck up on the this is our first test by the way of extra inning baseball with the Yankees we've seen it across the league I think it's just the diamondbacks now who haven't done an extra innings game could be wrong it's one on one team. We're the other team before today but he struck out the side that's a pretty good strategy I think to attack extra innings justice to strike out everyone and that really can't do anything with the guy at second tough to score when you just strike out. Kind of love. That was the best he's locked in like two weeks. I was vintage chat vintage chattering like nobody was talking I don't know I mean you definitely can't I will never want that to be a permanent role going forward their owners on second base but they were perfect for like this series because of just how weird this series was between the Yankees and mets like having a guide star on second, which is the perfect cherry on top for just weirdness. Yeah, definitely and Nice to talk was the guy at second to lead off the inning for the Yankees. Guy Knows. How to run basis runs them well. But Yeah starts off Gary. Flies at the center for gets walked. Gardner flies out I WANNA Clinton that spot. But the back of my head I'm like, maybe they just are really preserving clink for like a trade here. Clinton's place I can game. So that's kind of. The Geo comes up and gets the game winning hit and talk talk when scores and I mean just a miraculous went to believe they had a point two percents winning percentage winning chance in the seventh inning at the beginning of. So I think when there was two outs and a guy I, that eight point, two percent chance of winning. So fucking crazy I mean I think you could have gotten them. I couldn't even imagine what the live odds were like at the Yankees that point like it's crazy but big big fucking win had the win the second game though for it to really sink in and be like Oh wins. And let's Talk Debbie Garcia. That I mean that guy is just dynamite like. His big his his big problems have been command and pitch count. None of those were in issue today it's like not like I can't believe who has thoughts I mean he's a top price top hundred prospect in baseball but every time you see him the minors all that it's like ton of pitches ton of walks. He figured it all out today and he was he's the first Yankee ever to debut, make their major league debut and go at least six innings no-one runs. No walks no watch ever done that in the history of this franchise and he did today 'cause we never have any good pitching prospects said stay on our team. Pretty much like we almost forgot, I'd like Debbie guards like how Debbie Garcia was the and really sort of reached a peak. I think maybe again to twenty eight and a twenty eighteen stick reached a peak because like his minor league numbers weren't that great last year. and then like you know focused on Clark Schmidt like Gang Gang Garrick full. What if Debbie Garcia just is gonNA prospect as we once thought he what's Others. Say It's all right. Did deathly died because even today. Know A. Knows that excited for Debbie. Garcia to be pitching. But then you saw mill, it's like holy. Shit he's fucking unbelievable he. Acceptable. Yeah I WANNA read conoley Fr- Connor Foley. We talked about he had a very good A few good nuggets right as he was making his debut because connors down there the whole time watching him. You know they've they've seen him so much. So he says Debbie's curb gets top billing. You can see that his hook it's just ridiculous he gets some swings and misses that like batters missed by feet. it's probably deserved but two things one, his slider was really good last year especially for being i. For the first year he threw some games, it was just as it was his best secondary pitch to this is what gets me excited this is like Chad Green Shit guys are jealous of his fastball. The villa probably won't when I did see it hitting like ninety four, ninety, five today but it's a high spin. Ziebel is a quote from Clark Schmidt back in March he'll throw a ninety one. Toll Right down the middle and hitters will just be befuddled. They don't even know what it was. That's fun shit like that stuff I love that's Spin Ray and all that Chad Green because Greens, and have a hundred and five on our fastball. But like the spin rate where the that function people, that's the same kind of with Debbie. So he's got a he's got a sneaky really fast Paul. His delivery is very deceptive Thomas. Saying he was painting today his accuracy, his pitch count was low. He was everything Yankees could have asked for more I would've accepted for good innings four innings one two, run us in game guy goes six innings. No runs the only rumours the luke floyd error that he really like that. I also expected I don't even know if he's going to pitch the sixth inning and then there's the error and he only managed a blue pit. That brings in the run and he really I thought it was going to rattle him a little bit. He's twenty one years old. He was great after that and he gets anything no problem he could buy fucking seventh-inning if you wanted to but he didn't fine. But hats off them. He was fantastic today I don't know if he remains in US team past Monday, but we'll see. What I was going to say. I mean I know like you it's impossible to. been set down by the way already on the alternate. Again. They have another another double header in five days. So he'll probably. That could be an just get a guy up here. Throw impossible to set a rotation then season with just the way the schedule is right. I mean as long as Paxton is still hurt. I feel like he needs to be the guy got no starts. So ten minutes ago this might affect that John Heyman tweeted that the Yankees have checked in on starling Marseille as they suddenly have after outfield out a potential deal could it be expanded to include a Pitcher eubanks have Robbie Ray Archie Bradley. Joel Sherman first reported. So maybe they're working on something there I haven't heard that name yet involved with the Yankees. Yeah I've thought I mean sagamore taste really good but I know things have injuries now but they also have so many outfielders words we're like, is it a need or is it an abundance while while I? Think? Hicks is injuries only cramping. So as long as it's that, then you probably don't have to hit the panic button on Marta but if Hickstead have a big injury like and it was out of the year, maybe you do with what I'm trying to see with Martine contract is. that. No I don't I don't think that I think Debbie's clever trade I. Don't think Debbie would be for Marta or maybe a hater trade but like I don't even know if I want to go down there. Tomorrow on. Yeah. Army has the few so good today because now we get straight and it's gonNA sting even worse. So here's my rationale for White Clark Schmidt did not pitch this game. And don't tell me forty band roster bullshit it's the service time and that's it. It's not that they can't find a guy to send down look with Jonathan holder did today by the way can we stop but the forty man roster bullshit? Real quick it just it's not. It doesn't hurt anyone. You just get John the out of the blue a fucking the lead in the. After Gary's Grand Slam, it's like get him out of your. Way More than you hold a right now, and that's pretty much I. Never Trust holder just get. It's so quick just DFA him and then off, you have an open roster spots. By the way, his seventh inning was the most shopping inning baseball history when he threw six pitches and wants to threatening. Older Oh. Yeah. But that was I mean obviously showed his true colors in the seventh inning was before. Yeah. But I think the reason clock in here I think Debbie's start today was a showcase for for for trade piece I. Think. Heyman. tweeted. Almost right after the game ended like a mystery team has entered the bidding for clovinger and that makes me think that they kind of just. Like okay. You see what Debbie did today like you want that guy like along with Clint Frazier and a few other guys. So I would not shock me I don't know academy does cash might not do anything but it seems like he really wants to make a splash I. totally see a trade package surrounding Debbie Clint. Maybe Gill an and I think those four for Levinger. I think that at least that's interesting to the Indians. I don't know what kind of price tag they have on him, but that's a fuck ton. That's a lot and they they wanna now fielder as well. So. Who knows man and it's so weird because the Indians are good. But they're trying to trade club because their owners so cheap. He just doesn't want to pay anybody and club. This is the best they're going to get from like value us. It's weird. Feel bad for Indian fans but. A lot can happen. I just don't be the only time you ever in pinstripes it might be. Let's say I. Don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa think about how good he can be in any turns out to be good. But I mean you can't be mad about cleven clemenger no I I i. Am I have like a crush on Mike Clovinger I, the other day as. I watch like sixty two videos not have him pitching just him talking and it's like I wanna go to war for this guy like this is the guy you want the mental but. Now. Now. Because he he's boys power. So he goes on those momentum shows all the time and he fucking talks. About the astro he that he had that ramp was getting tattoo about the astros like so fucking awesome. He's a good dude I don't know how it work with the hair because he would have trimmed his hair. Gear Kohl's is fine. Just coming out of the backwards hat, but clever would probably have the trim hairs that'd be weird I. Don't know if that's absence powers were not. But this look at his numbers, a last four years and the team control think he's got what two more years control. That's the guy who want to give up a lot for and if you're looking at a rotation of of the future, not even just this year but of Coal Corkman I was cold cleven marksman. That's a pretty, pretty fucking good one-two-three and then you throw Montgomery for who will also over the weekend. And one of those awesome Tanaka Severino Yeah, right jeeze. Really forget about seven and that's crazy. So a lot can happen tomorrow and you might also see crafts crafts Qatif it. Because I think Higashi Higashio is ready to go so a lot they can be a lot of anger Yankee fence tomorrow but listen to win three five. And take the series against take season series against the mets. Just take a deep breath. It's like this could have been so much worse. It was a crazy roller coaster. Now, they got the raise real quick for three like you don't have the second even think about it just oh, poem the race. So who knows what's going to happen? That's what say. This is this is the season. This is yeah. This is like shut up or like this where you have to beat the raising can't we cannot get beaten a serious. This is tomorrow or tonight when you're listening to Monday starred visit why we paid Garrett Cole Three hundred, twenty, million dollars. This is tonight get the ball erase in in a huge game against the division rival and go out there and show really crazy thing but I agree with you because. It's like it's replace the raise in the middle of the season not middle pretty much almost over but like. I agree with you repaid them three hundred million dollars for this race. and IT'S FRESH OFF They say three hundred going the stark Garrett. Tomorrow and it's all worth it. It's A. And it's fresh off his him getting rocked so like I could envision coal. Since that start when into like a cave and like just did nothing but work on mechanics and look at nothing else didn't even pay attention to his wife for the new. Cars just like fuck it. I just need I need to beat the raise this next start, and he's just going to merge them this cave and just be an absolute throwing fire. I do worry that this is the third time he's faced the raise. So like at some point, they get a feel for him. They start to get on him Also we had fake glass now against glass no colts just every five days basically the Yankees it's so frustrating just can't escape clause now but yeah. That's a big fucking game. Big Series. Tanaka? Pitches game to and I'd Sue Montgomery pitches game three is that workout Wednesday. was. Pitch on Friday on Wednesday. Yeah, right. Okay. So yeah, I mean you got your best re pitchers. going so. This. I wouldn't say this is the season Marty because they're gonNA make the playoffs but this is for the division. If you want to win the division, you've got to take the series. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent. So big fucking series. Team you know haters being talked about. This is the John Hayman tweet. Yankees talked to brewers about hater but the no belief is any traction and all there. Yet you exit also checked on climate. You're also know belief enemy close there either. There's still tomorrow, but there's big gaps in talks for those two, but you just know that. CASHMAN is on the prowl here, and this team certainly needs a pitcher and they maybe need to. We'll see. And then Jim Bowden tweet out this list of of is it could be on the move Lance Lynn on the rangers clever. I don't know about Lance Lynn do you want Lance Lynn back in the eighties now? I've kind of done that dance I. Know He's a changed man like he figured out in Texas but. Cleven the gap between him and club injures enormous to my opinion enormous. And Sort of how I've always felt like last year. They're they're gonNA, make a deal, get that top guy, and now don't eat it because they have all but like get a top guy or just deal with in house option. Yeah. So odd is even that much of an issue now it's Not. Like the biggest problem basic dino was the offense in the bullpen soccer. Yeah. The offense is certainly not helping and today they did with great other guys on the move potentially Josh Hater but I think it would take a a you up a hit this year. Once once. You're not. Yeah. So the he actually blew the save the other day he walked five guys in inning, but he's still has yet to give I. Don't know about today I'd assume he did not pitch after blowing yesterday but. Yeah he is not giving up a hit this year. So that's Something that he's doing. Let's see he's got a one, eight, six, thousand, nine and two thirds innings and he's allowed. Zero Hits and two runs with ten walks in those nine nine, two with fourteen strikeouts. Zero hits in ninety two thirds so. He's ridiculous. Worked, five guys do that it was crazy Dylan Bundy on the angels. He's had a resurgence here angels angels. They so bad. It slipped beyond me how they're that bad. The most losses in baseball. Ever this year people are like, oh. It's like Oh. This is the year yet because also eight teams make the playoffs in the American. League. They're in their twelve and twenty three the worst team in. Baseball. Waukesha I'm sorry second more stuff pirates are ten and twenty one, but they're twelve and twenty three and they have Mike Trout Otani Justin Upton rent pool halls. This Fletcher Guy Obviously, everyone loves and they're twelve wins. Raising. That's important. Pitching is yeah. They have no pitching. It doesn't matter. We'll figure it out. nope Joey Gallo the Rangers are trying to move everyone to Gallo, but he's hitting with wanted to three near I want nothing to do with him. Marseille droughts and Simmons Angels, of course are trying to share everyone caleb. Smith. Cueto one nothing to do him either. Archie Bradley's good. That could be a name the Yankees maybe targeted out of the bullpen. I wouldn't be stunned there and Jackie Bradley and the Red Sox. Of course this they're trying to straight every they've they've traded moreland. Who Else workman trying to treat everybody Vasquez I think my go to the mets. So a lot going on the trade deadline could be very active a lot of teams in the running. So I'm excited for it. I don't is it still four PM deadline? Do we know is different this year? I think. Doing it was four but I. I would I would assume yeah. Okay. Aren't so we'll? We'll pay attention to that. Course fucking playing Ping Pong tomorrow. Right during the deadline. Oh, that's actually just thinking about this now. I'm I so I can. Watch. Jake Marsh he's going to I mean, this isn't even to say like I'm not like I'm still gonNA obviously give it my all and maybe I WANNA get jake marshes Soga Ping Pong like. He's he's like the creator of ping-pong. He plays tennis he's she's so you can't even units as four and he just he hates slams on you. So there's back in it's going to be a grind, but I don't have the most confident especially after by debacle, and now I've ever all my attention on the Yankees. So that could be a disaster Jesus Christ Okay. Real jobs right now. How rescue are over your King? All. Right. Well what's interesting? About the Yankees Trade deadline during. He. stressed a ping pong matches interfering with him tweeting about the Yankees. Yes We've got great jobs. No one can question that. The best the best job. Hey, seventeen years by the way we didn't. I don't think we pop champagne seventeen years birthday parcel. 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I just hope the mets don't like I hope that this weekend doesn't kill him I'm I'm worried for I'm a little bit What was I gonNA. Say. About. Marty's game. Oh good GEICO could job. I wanted to. Really appreciate new US stood up when I went up to best standing ovation. You're welcome. No, he really. Do I was like, wow, tom he got me I was you know I got to be honest I'm in general I'm a pretty selfish person I don't care that much about other people that night I was happy for you and I was like. Appel tonight. It. was like when the grinches heart was growing three sizes and he's like what's happening I was like man I hope he does well tonight. I thought it was cool. Those really nice of you. Let me tell you and child. Was the loudest. Fouled. All. That ruined by it because I was so happy I thought I was hit a home run the next. You like shocked yourself you're like fuck I can do this way. What the fuck? You really like. You had to have some doubts in your nervous, Shit you fell off your way. We're this at Bat? No no no. No. By the way guy is such an asshole for throwing a breaking ball. How To. PRY MECHTA. I respected, but pride thing is a pitcher. Throws. Down the middle and get. Out and. A face of like when When a pitchers facing the pitcher like in a game and it's like you don't throw a breaking ball like it's like you still three fastballs. It's like there's a pride thing that I don I appreciate that one but. The Dow soaring ninety five miles an hour. Was He actually? Got Clocks. The guy showed me Thug Al's like I don't give a Shit I. All like Al, Fassulo fell off was ninety five. Chris. I also gave my bat to a kid and Nolan videotapes on the on the saddest person. On waste this. This kid actually for an autograph like Lula a twelve year old kid actually arguing the ball and I was like I, did it and they videotaped A. Bat To no one. To you just gave whether you're. You talked about that. Bad so much. You love that bat you were holding that that afterwards like it was like your child. And I gave it to a child had no uneven. Would have been worth it to give it away if you had the video, that's an that's a great video. Do it for the kids and then Nope, it's just a scoffing. corrobos video where he gives those two, he paid those those people like react him. With tickets and he. Is Yeah it's like it's. The most stage thing. But. Yeah. Well, that's shocking. You gave the back. In the field that guy who played third base for your team is unbelievable draft draft right now right now. On the team. He tried out with me for those random tryouts to. Do that what team one they literally was like we have one cannot team just because he has a card and it was routes. That's awesome. Also you know what you do need a guy that loves giving. They're all GONNA team who played for the mariners you got. He got let go because of Kobe. This year is on the mariners like that was the guy with. The white hair blond hair. For your team that he's Gay I but that I thought. Were you go first minds a different story. Oh, now I was just GonNa. Say I could get action right away because that's just how baseball works if. The, first ball was right down the third base line that guy made a Gio Rochelle play I. thought it was just destiny for you to have to make a throat a second to try and get out or the clouds in the sky was so dark I couldn't see Shit Oh miked up I. Forgot might up I can't wait to listen what I was saying 'cause I was so nervous. GonNa play again since you didn't. have to play the. Me and by the white me hubs in earlier about the leave it was pouring. And there's no other plague fucking Clark on the field. So we're like about to leave we fifteen minutes an uber. Uber is a minute away and we hear the guy into PA. Yeah. There's going to be a home run Derby if you guys WanNa, come back like. I'd like we can't leave now. They do. Without Mario The dumbest people time? Back and saw that. Yeah. That was rudy was not happy. It was a pretty cool experience though a lot. Yeah just classic fashion it rained and poured and I know that's just means quite. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. So I'm sorry I missed that conversation. So do you know when? It's going I. Have I had to figure out my own life with like. Philly and stuff. So he moved the Philly Yep that's happening Do you know when you? Really? Know. It changes every day. I it's tough to text big man and I don't want keep texting them. So no definitely, not definitely not. My one question about the minor league game was Tommy and how did you guys watch? The professional game. Did you guys watch the seem segment with it about it that you said that on the train, their brandon ask Marty, where it was and he said Yogi Berra. Stadium. And then Marty said, I didn't even know Yogi Berra was dead but you guys see that bar. Or do not sit upward did not see that. Oh. Okay. Are you serious I thought Dana, didn't know he was debt. Well, I said I i. kind of you kind of forget he's dead days. No, he's alive. I know I know he's definitely. We got into a fight about yoga. Yoga be dead for five years actually. Think it'd be longer. I didn't think it was longer. At that school when that happened because the museum does paper my picture. And I don't mean this disrespectfully. But like we've always treated Yogi as if he was like, he's always been such a legend with all his sayings and stuff always felt like he was like a dead like folklore alleged. Agree like Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig Yogi. Bear right. Right. Like. You're alive. Babe Ruth, more alive for our whole lives than you'll get. Brain is trying to catch up here and it's just like where what is achievable? By the way I took a three gummy Saturday night just like take the edge off took way. Took it like eleven thirty. Four one always pixel supposed to take half I got to a point at three in the morning. I ate like full thing to Oreos like a full tray of double stuffed Oreos. and. Brushing your teeth after that is obviously an adventure I found myself. So lost in the world that I was brushing my teeth it was ten minutes. I was just brushing my teeth for ten minutes. It was I could not put down the toothbrush and it just kept going until everything was just out of my mouth ten minutes of brushing your teeth though love. trip. Three she's. A what? No. I don't WanNa facetime stop opening facetime I open facetime turn x out. Okay Let's do DM's DMC voicemails We've got a ton apparently screening nineteen. Fuck you. Wasn't shot is. Joke. We're. Talking about honey. Pulled up listen up. We've got an exciting opportunity for all you because let's face it. We all shop online I've started to do it just out of boredom kind of at night and I'm using honey. We've all seen their Promo code feel taunt us at checkout but thanks to honey manually searching for copan coats. 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Catching fucking Game Eric Cracks my God damn boy I. Love That Guy. I love the lion headbands the beast feed him but that was fucking great. But make no mistake. Sanchis is a fucking ball. God love. God love. y'All. Calls me. Name. On a call them, I don't know Brad Brad Yours small brains treat. This is exactly what Gary Sanchez does who's GonNa do it today but I I know my tweets today we ended up being timed incredibly poorly and not with bound to happen. But I stand by what I've said most Gary Sanchez since the start at twenty two plus seasons hitting two Oh, four, two more I. Don't tell me about all these advance stats you hit once every five out of that. That's not good. It's. Much. Better either he does hit home runs somehow. Okay a lot of them mounting today are not super meaningful and I don't want to sound like an old man yelling at a cloud. But if you literally watch the games like if you watched the game of your own, who is How can you possibly possibly make the argument for Gary Sanchez, I know transplant. But up until that, he had maybe the worst two games of baseball. I've ever fucking seen pass ball after pass ball lead the majors and Boston eighteen and nine strikeout popout big spot after big spot I. Get every once in a while come up big buck in Chris Carter had had some home runs every once in a while too I and I know captured the different position but I'm tired of pretending like Gary Sanchez is like this franchise? Cornerstone catcher. Coletta I let's say blame Tommy for everything. We're. For like the. Five in time this weekend show I just saw Tommy's twin from yesterday at four hundred. So, this is the first game. Against the medicine two-game set and this man said God bless New York mets the perfect care I something baseball team. Tommy. Fuck you to say the least like Franchi. Oh this. These. Are Harmful you`re Right. Wow You fucking Dick. We said you call them Sarah. How about instead of giving up on the Yankees in the middle of the series like a fucking not fan you wait till the end of the series state through a three from the and then I stand by my God, bless your mets tweets. I want an apology from you next episode I want back to call in and apologize next up so. I think he apologised here was to blame Tommy again. Oh, my God Tom Skip Bali is like such a fucking piece of shit out fuck you. They let you on the Internet during Yankees Games fuck you. This is great. Great Stuff I. Don't know about you meant on having a great time. This Week you fucking losers. This is good stuff anyone. Anyone else. All right. We'll give me a break your debt. Garcia funny. Let's do that. These people are fucking spiritual. He's fucking. More anybody's. Shut up currently. I feel bad for the people for exposing themselves as Being Small Brain Dick in their hand. He'll. Play the next one. Is really good. They sent him down I will travel take off. RECIPES THAT GUYS They couldn't have sent down faster. It's actually I love that with a short that was to take. Down the moment like that caught, the call ended when he got sent down. Message to mets fans. Let's see that. I doing tonight. First of all, let celebrate congratulations on their three, two victory and the series. Call right now just let my boys now my to mess friends. Small less than Oh to. Suck. My Dick Yeah Yeah you've soccer my fucking Dick and guess what? Guess what you were talking holly up to well. You know what happens when you sleep on US talking go baby. I thought he like didn't want to say Suck my Dick on the party like kind of like senator quietly, and then he went by stuck my Dick see make sure I enjoyed that part of that. That was good. Yeah. Good. This is your time. All the mets just go back to their cave Steve Cohen he'll save us. Power Coal Beef, that'd be interesting because Trevor Bauer is a name I think the register a whole Lonzo him. But Oh wait now. Yeah. Let's do that. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa cock. Tease that guy. So whoever did that? Let's see. Power Colby was noticed on a question for you. What are we thinking? Trevor Bauer. Garrett Cole beef is it real? Do we really want Trevor Bauer to give frazier for someone like every hour even if he doesn't sign long-term or doesn't really fit with coal? I think the deterrent with Bauer is that he's a free agent the end of the year. They probably don't want to deal with that Colby legit but I think Bauer has kind of moved along from pretty sure. He liked tried to make amends. I don't Care Kohl's made immense though and sees a d. back to college. No one knows why you imagine they just have to budding personalities. We're like bowers more outspoken and colts Kinda just more of a cyborg. So who knows I can handle about I can't I don't want him. Unfairly, lot and I know he's a great pitcher I tend not handle him. With. All gimmicks and stuff, it would be a lot also who knows how it has the New York media like we said a few weeks ago his numbers are I mean this year has been really good. But like I don't think he's a sure thing good enough where I wanNA risk rock and a clubhouse giving up top prospects for a month I trust clever way more than Bauer. Yeah Okay. And then what do Lisa wants to know about how Gus Yoga? Hey guys from upstate New York. My question is Gasio is going to be coming back. Shortly they talked about that for the game aircrafts has been. Like a game changer in the dugout and on the field for the Yankees. If they let him go the US going to pick him up. He keeps crass around let go and other bench player. you know should twenty eight man roster. So there's kind of room for them. I think you gotTa keep them He he huge this weekend. Just just a question that. Thanks Gus. We'll just make them a coach. He's older as the. Turn of into a bench coach or something like team adult I don't WanNa waste Ross. And he's just like the first base coach. Love. If Boone make some of these bad decisions so you could just make the manager. I'm I think. You see way he talks I would bet everything I have that he becomes a manager one day like crafts destiny become a manager. It's always a catch to catcher see to game the best way and all that they're smart He'll be a manager. It's a great question I. Think it's a dynamic that we didn't think we'd be having how do we keep barrack rats on this team? Change of course I don't care what you're saying upsetting it, but it is. He. He thinks happened Garcia like. It worked and he I don't know I. Think the team likes him. He's iconic turning into that alteration type role. In a way. This line up. All season. It's like now we're talking about Kratz saving our weekend. It's so sad. Fact is more for like. Every year you have those fun fires ideal that at as a lever and stop, and he's like one of the really got like. Technically put him on the taxi squad so he doesn't get down, but he's there all the time, right? Is that how that works? Right. So you call Higashi Ohka and then you have cracks on the taxi squad, is that where they do not want to do that with just wasting A. Don't that doesn't seem like. I could be wrong but I think that's how it works. So did you realize that this isn't crassus first time at the major league level with the Yankees? Right now, he's been around the block. Thousand Dinky. He played in two thousand seventeen in games with the Yankees. Yeah. No idea and then he went to like four other teams and then came back I had no idea that he was ever Yankee. He's he's Journeyman for sure. Okay did. I. Guess not. Yeah I crazy fucking weekend of the Yankees for sure. And Mush Actually Walmart for Hobbs because this is my name. So we're GONNA do that one. 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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 909  Bold Predictions

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 909 Bold Predictions

"Welcome to episode nine hundred eight of the sleeper in the bust on just mason joined by jason jason. How you doing well I didn't have any drafts this week. And for the first time a long time. And so i woke up yesterday going wow. I bet nothing to do this weekend for baseball stuff. And i was able to knock off a whole bunch of stuff on my projects list that had kind of bled over into the. Hey you said you're going to get this done a few weeks ago. Type of thing So got a whole bunch of that stuff done and it was just nice not to have durant after having a to saturday. Three saturday sunday wednesday and each of these because they're online like five our adventures. Now they wear on you man Because they were they. Were in the nbc. Once fly i quick right. But your home league's doing your own leagues ac- saturday morning was tout and that was in the the fantastic software at took five hours Sunday morning was my home l. And that was in the cbs raffarin that took about five hours and it was with another cbs. one Gotham league with all of our friends and such and that took five hours and that one ended at Start seven thirty. Like twelve thirty in the morning is just wear on you man And so it was nice not to have anything to do this weekend and just be able to focus on something else for most of the day not to baseball. Of course i was watching games breeding stuff but it was nice not to have any kind of got a block out five hours of time to do this today. You know. i'm i have not yet had that day off so that will probably come next weekend. So it's been let's see i. I did the beat. Khan weather ax online championship against all obviously calling weather. Wax john fish and Think welcoming michael and randy hanes. Michael alexander on that league absolutely crush them feel really really good about that team but then tout last weekend and I did my first main event last week. And now i'm going to be doing i My own be just mason league today. And then my my last main event on wednesday of dunk. Finally so we're going to talk about a bunch of different things. We're gonna get into some bold predictions but there's a fair amount of news that has happened. Sin paul and i recorded On thursday. So we'll start with kind of the big news luke. Voight is gonna get knee surgery on a torn meniscus. He's going to be out for about four to six weeks so the question becomes. What kind of discount are you willing to take on. Luke voigt actually draft him if you had another remaining drab and then who do you think is the biggest beneficiary of that kind of lost time so four to six weeks for him to get back on the roster. You have to figure to get your timing back. So let's add. Let's say six to eight weeks so that's about a third of the season so there's your discount you take a third of the season Discount what he was going for by a third. And that's decent rule of thumb to to play with. I think who benefits most mike. Talk man survives. As a yankee he's out of options either trade rivers like. Oh hey. I wonder if he can go to the white sox so they can get some more outfield depth because billy hamilton. Seriously gonna make that team Even if it's only two weeks for a while adam angles recovering from his hamstring ashram. But there's possibility there. So mike talk seemed like he was on the move. You saw rumors about the yankees listened to offers. Now i think he absolutely makes club Because they need kind of insurance for the next few weeks even at even though jay bruce is making the club jay. Bruce is likely going to be the first basement on the squad It allows top to move around of the outfield giving them an another left handed bat off the bench to poke home run as long as they're planning a yankee stadium so that's how i see that situation plan out. Yeah so last night in our online championship Voigt went eighty nine th overall So little bit of discount. But not yeah and i mean full disclosure. The guy who took him clearly did not understand the format That we were playing in on nbc. Because he was He took like seven stashes and like he's his team grades out because projection systems. Look at you know just the totality of the stats and kinds of assumes you can stash guys but Yeah it it's not gonna end up well for him he's gonna have to drop out of his guy said he drafted a calendar because my only stash in my oc. Yeah i saw. Void go in like the twelfth in the fifteenth round of semaine events last night and i think that becomes a little bit more reasonable and kind of some spots. It'd be willing to kind of take a shot on him because if we're talking fifteen th round in a fifteen team her what that's like. Pick three hundred ish. You know right. So i think that's a lot more fair. It just really hard to roster these guys especially because we're going to be talking with the next guy Really with about a problem. That's kind of rampant right mouth through spring training and around your league baseball And that is covid If you thought we were over covid you were wrong because It seems like every team is having a covert outbreak. The week before the start of the season And one of the guys affected by this is miles draw who scratched for quote unquote health and safety protocols which You know there's a few guys on the astros few guys on the orioles. Few guys on The red socks that are now scratched because of these health and safety protocols which typically means someone was exposed to covid and now they've got a wait and see who on the team actually has it before they can let them come back so Let's talk first about miles draw and then Talk kind of just about generally about covid. Would you do if you're going into a draft with miles straw. He's been kind of a late target for speed. clearly is miss at least a few days. Maybe he's back for the regular ed for the regular season but maybe he's out two weeks. So what are you doing if you either drastic mousetrap or if you were looking at him as late speed so i mostly try to avoid him. I haven't been my only for nine. But i also on that same. Al lee roster. I have aaron judge. Have miguel no. I have just opted. So it's it's easier to roster somebody like mile straw. Will you have that type of power potential. So that's where it is so if you're gonna take him it really depends on how you've constructed the rest of your roster and i think In these these national formats. pretty clear. Once you you're punting speed or you're waiting late like he's everybody's late speed target right as you could see who's going to be there and so somebody's gonna like oh. I've got to go take here. Because i could see just five picks after meet our roster looks the same so it's one of these types where if you are planning on loading up a power early trying to grab these guys late. You're not going to be the only guy to do it. You're likely going to reach to make it work. And so that's where. I've tried to avoid this type. This type of player you know how it impacts them. We we saw last year coming off everything. You know radios arena gets it and then is amazing after it. Austin meadows was amazing. Gets it and then he sucked so yawn. Mcconnell say he was just awa- season so with the outcomes are all over the place with this but in. that's the problem with mile straws. If he gets off to a slow start he may not just get that starting job back. Somebody else could step in. They may decide. You know what we gotta go. Bring back josh right. Who knows they may have to decide boob on and all the sudden strong goes from starting job to riding the bench again Because this offense is still good enough on paper where they don't have to carry somebody who's Who's have questionable towards the end of the towards the end of the lineup. So if some somebody else can step up at chasma. Cooper can come in as playing good defense. Maybe they just say are straw. You're back to the bench will usually when we can use it so not great news. If you're miles straw if you have shares of mile straw yeah. My only share is in the event And it was kind of a. I was targeting. Many mark yo. He went to picks in front of where i was gonna pop on him But i really needed to speed. So i ended up taking mile straw kind of as my consolation prize to me anymore. Go and Yet that this this is really scary because it's not a team that is a team that's already a little bit light on speed and now i've got straw out right now. So hopefully we'll get some more clarity But i think you're right you're going to have to if you know fab runs tonight in f. b. c. leaks for the first time so if you're in an nfl home league and kind of the i fab runs tonight and you have my whole draw your team You may wanna start looking at some other options. You know billy hamilton like you said Or maybe guy like tim castro over on the over on the diamond backs kind of kind of some cheaper speed options that might be available but this is also kind of the pitfall to drafting a guy like mile shot to drafting a guy like my malik smith back in the day right i used to be a big fan of is. I'll get so many stolen bases. Its happens in all of a sudden. He's no longer playing for your team. Your team is devoid of stolen bases In that that is real issue about not building a balanced roster and kind of Relying on these rabbit type players so young. He's nine dollars in the local league honestly. He's on now. He's moved to my list. We have to turn innkeepers here with stay. And he's on the maybe list but the problem is it's either that or i just turning fourteen guys because i'd really rather go. Ooh they want to keep that guy's a fifteenth who's like these other prices could put back probably get him back at the same price or even less so he may want to keep an eye on things. Yes oh Just kind of keep keep attuned to kind of what's going on with Mr miles straw Because he could be a difference maker In the stolen base department this year even hitting the bottom of that Houston lineup. But if he's gonna be out for longer than just a few days and beyond this opening day roster that's a that's kind of a scary sign that he actually has covid in not that he just Came into contact with someone with it so all right moving right along. The kyle lewis. He is banged up after running into a wall. His opening day is kind of in jeopardy This is a scary thing. Even though they're kind of downplaying it in seattle This guy who struggled with injuries all throughout his minor league career. It's the reason why he went from being kind of a consensus top. Twenty five prospect kind of being an afterthought In terms of you know his prospect pedigree. What are your thoughts on. Kyle lizzy to avoid right now. Stop running Applying yourself spring training for deliveries chuck on not chocolate. Because he's heard i'm chuckling because you're one job in spring training when you're a regular don't get hurt and don't do anything stupid eloy So with louis. I haven't been able. He's nowhere not. It's not because not because i'm avoided him is just because of the people have been higher on but i have And he's gone by the time it makes it to me. I think this is when you look at some of the way the roster shaking out tip tra was made the opening day roster Yeah he's been told. Sam haggerty Who is having a really nice spring the stolen bases. He's perfect six six of if you're looking for cheap deals getting back to the earlier conversation Depending deeper league is there. Somebody who is clearly running a seattle ran a lot. Last year. they led the american league in stolen bases successful stolen bases and they were running. They were converting them at a seventy six percent clip at seventy five percent this spring. So it's holding true and services putting these guys on the move so again Appears he's going to make the opening day. Roster could be a nice late speed dark because he he can play a couple of spots. There will be interesting to see how that plays out but yeah with lewis is just a reminder of why y you y his career has been the way it has been man. We got three or four days opening date. Please just stop doing stuff that you heard. You hit the dirt. If you're if you're feeling feet on the warning track to stop from all just you know. Stay with for the good advice. I was already kind of fading. Louis so i'm just going to continue to do so And he went really late in our online championship Yesterday but i just any these injury guys for the most part. I'm staying away for. He went thirty two In our online championship yesterday's adp in online championship over. The last two weeks is one fifty five. So i mean that's a pretty good discount but again you're gonna have to roster these guys in with covid still being an issue with a lot of injuries kind of popping up. Were expecting probably a lot more injuries. throughout the season with pitchers ramping up In a way that never really seen before going from sixty games two hundred sixty two. I just any guy who's already dealing with an injury on kind of just avoiding for right. Now he went eighteen at a p format towers melon. I'm looking into the g. Annella he was eighty eight nomination of that. So it's like it wasn't like hey i've got money. I have to spend it type of thing. He wets within the first one hundred. Yes i just i i. I'm a little afraid of kind of that. Second half drop off to begin with And then you add in the injury in just kind of void it so there's just too many other guys going around him That i really like where. I'm not gonna not gonna pull the on on lewis. I grab santander fifteen About twenty spots later but yet he's dealing with a kind of a sore oblique right now. He's been out for Hopefully that's just minor but if there's one eight three don't want to rush back it's the oblique so he's got to open the season on the i l. Fine with that. Yeah into that. That's our next you know hop on that segue and and and ride over to anthony santander He does of side issue They're downplaying in baltimore. They say it's just you know minor thing but these these side issues tend to be tricky right and now we have guys who you know. Say they're going to be back then. They're not It ends up being longer or would you draft anthony santander. If you're in a draft. This weekend i still would. I still the like. I said i was fifteen dollars For tout if we were doing that today. Maybe say stop at thirteen. Not discount that much with that. I still believe love love. The plight loved that he's gonna play. Every day loved that he plays in candidate love that every rhode park in his division is still a great place to hit for him Tropicana being the worst. But it's even getting better as run environment so i i'm not gonna run away from this that much. I may not go the dollar but that's really young. I kind of feel the same way. I'm not completely running away from it. just kind of keep it in mind as you're building your team if you've already taken maybe like george springer if you take in In a some other guys that might have some issues them l. straw while gets mile probably going after saint andrews. But don't load up with these guys you know just in case one or two of them do hit the i wanna make sure you've got enough players Four kind of that opening weekend To start so. I think santander probably fine. But these things can get reaggravated. They can get worse And we just want to be very careful. I do like santander quite a bit this year though i feel like he's a pretty underrated asset. Adp over the last month or over the last two weeks on my championships. One seventy two That feels like a pretty good price for guys. Plan all his games against him. All right Next next set of news is the reds said. Yesterday that they're not naming a closer There have been reports that looks like amir garrett was going to be the guy. He's looked fantastic. But david bell manager they are in cincinnati. Says they are not naming a closer that they could use a doolittle. They could use sims or they could use garrett Do you believe that or do you think that one of these guys are gonna emerge. Oh i think one of them's going to emerge. It's really tough to overlook the fact that amir garrett has faced nine batters struck out all nine the spring. He's got nine nine bucks a stat. That was trying to look it up. But that's what i heard was the stat and i'm like really. We're going to say that this is going to be a committee by matchup like they have they have little. They have some the having a left. The pen via he's got three innings pitched nine strikeouts is what Night better space. So if you're guaranteed struck out every hitter that he is space this spring with a quality of the seven four so he has. Some of them may be rookies seattle. Care to strike out. He's got. He has the immaculate spring. Yeah yeah that said manager says this. That means they're thinking. So you gotta you've gotta put that you've got to put that into your head you're like conversely somebody that craig counsel is done the exact opposite. He's already come out. Said haters got as much as we love watching definitely throws air bender and throw ninety nine heat along with it. He's already come out. And said haters are closer to us. The mr national closer and then you've got a battle over here saying i could use all three of them and it's it's nice to hear managers say that because it's what they should be thinking as like you can't sit there and oh we've got a tough lefty coming up on. We've already used. We used doolittle but we can't use garrett because he's are closer so we're going to bring in this guy and then boom games over So it's it's nice to hear it really stinks for fantasy purposes but still think garrett wednesdays and gets a lion's share of the as like something eight percent on the at the lowest of the meaningful saying i'm talking about the three you came in and stole the save. You know you get the three inning crap. I'm talking like the meaningful saves Were somebody's getting the zero in the one brian to to run a three run saves nee or the three innings type. But i think garrett still gonna get the lion's share of these. I tend to agree. I mean the only issue i see with that is sometimes managers You know in this day and age are wanting to use their best reliever inches. The most high leverage spot. And so that's gonna be the case they're going to use in their rose high leverage but that being said we kind of see this all time. All we're gonna mix mitch mix and match. We're gonna we're gonna use a bunch of different guys and then guys blow saves early on in on all of a sudden they go like. I hate losing lead in the ninth. And we're gonna put just our best guy there to make sure we get that win. So i if undrafted in a reds reliever it's likely on taking the shot on garrett I don't know they're tatum. Is high ceiling him. Go in recent drafts is last night Well last night paul He took him at one. Sixty three actually. Don't think that is necessarily a bad price. Only problem is you know Greg holland who is locked into that role when it to ten You know and Other guys who were locked in anthony. Dice went later than Than amir garrett. In those guys i think are locked in we're all whereas garrett is not so i like it a lot i think gonna probably miss out on him just because other people like him a bit more and feel more confident than he is the guy. Yeah all right It water rodriguez is dealing with some dead arm right now. He is kind of questionable for his Spot in the rotation to start the season. They're hopeful that he'll be able to start the second game but it seems like that is kind of in the air right now this guy. I've been waiting all draft season mostly because of all his co. vicious last year. And just how it just in a really hurt him quite a bit. He had he he couldn't. He wasn't clear to walk until like late summer. Early fall Has looked good when he's been pitching but this is now a concern again Are you worried about it. Warner rodriguez i am. But he was at the top of my list of players that i really wanted not. I didn't want part of because we. He was probably the most extreme example of a pitcher going through everything last year. It's great that he was able to come out. Come out of it on on the other side in good spring when he has pitched but this darn thing concerning. This isn't the only example. I expect to see more of this. Especially as the season goes on Everybody looks for the most part. Everybody looks really good right now. Because you had the opposite you had the rest you had all that but once we get to the l. Hey that's how much work. I put it in twenty twenty And then as the season wears on what people are going to look. It's the big unknown because we have absolutely no baseline to figure it out but somebody like him who has didn't even pitch twenty twenty and here. He is accurate doing this. All the studies like all man. I'm i'm kinda sore here The good news is doesn't appear to be anything. physiological near true. Yeah that that's what. I'm trying to get it. Yes nothing there. So it's not like the stuff. Was that gallon or nick anderson or kirby gates none of that stuff So that's the the good side but ozzie. Something guy was. He's not somebody. I was looking to get on my team Given what people are projecting from him from a workload coming off a season where he just didn't pitch and he had trouble staying healthy to begin with his legs That has always been a problem mayor so this just one of those things. You gotta factor in. I'm i had been avoiding him law-drafters and like i said. I'm probably going to continue to do that just to be on the safe side I think he does offer a really good discount right now. So if you were on a rodriguez prior to this You know his adp in the last two weeks was two eight To forty eight in my online championship last night again by that guy who stashed a bunch of people So like to forty eight is not a bad price In were talking about you know going around. Pick to fifty We're talking about going around guys like brady singer Or zach davies or tony gone. So i don't mind the gamble considering the guy who's going around. I just feel much more confident you're going to get. Innings added those kind of guys than i am. Right now with rodriguez so kind of risk reward be prepared especially if you don't have an in nfc but even if you do have an i l. We're going to see these. I l spots fill up really fast. This is protected pitcher list thing. I keep seeing now. I have no idea resigned now. I've seen some news at this point. This pitchers been put on the protective list Like bobby ray. Robbie ray was a good example. Because robbie rate's gonna miss his first start in the season because of the elbowed pain but the news the news that i saw with him the put him on the protected. I never even heard of this This clara a classification. But i keep seeing tweeted out Are looking for the example of it. But i can't i can't see it Whatever it is is just kind of weird. I'd never seen this kind of installed This kind of classification on a guy before. But i've seen it a few times. Now look for because i've seen it a few times on the news bits of late and so i'm like yeah i can't find it now but i yeah i have no idea honestly. I had not seen a thing like that so You know if someone knows about this feel free to tweet. It s At jason collapse or at just mason. Wfp and then We'll will kind of re tweeted or we'll share it on the podcast next episode saw honestly confusion. But i've seen it. I can't figure out here. It is in fact jason martinez put it out. Robbie ray moved to the protected injured list. I wonder if that's like they don't have to. I l. him because it's spring training But they can a spot on the forty man or something for i don. I don't know they have no idea. All messes jason and see what he says about that Got any less. Like what is this But he's used it a couple of times He used a couple two years ago. I'm slow up. The was moved to the protected. Edulis maybe it's just something on roster resource and is not an actual yet might be all right Yeah that's that's interesting I'm seeing maybe not rejected. It should be projected incentive protected. Maybe i just can't read our auto it off on on on the on the reds on the reds Sheet that he's got over unrest resource. It does say projected protecting. Maybe maybe it's just a typo on that one all right. So let's move on talk about the last piece of news that is carter key. Boom was sent down We're gonna see a number of these guys You know the final kind of roster spots Being kind of worked out and guys that we thought were going to make the opening roster and not kirke. Boom is one of those guys. This means josh. Harrison is in line for a lot of plate appearances likely as pretty much the regular second baseman We're thoughts on car key. Boom and then. Josh harrison getting playing party like his two thousand sixteen with starling castro with josh harrison in the opening day lineup at third at sad third base. Second base respectively You gotta go with the guy. Hit the keep national. The ability to hit major league pitching dot e didn't hit it last year's not hitting the spring and i can't blame. I can't play davey martinez for wanted to take a different route. An harrison's the only other guy they want to try to roll out moore jodi jordy mercer or perez. Go go with the hand at you have unless they want to sit back and see if somebody gets cut here at the last second on players that are out of options type of thing but right now. This is how they're moving forward. I don't know. Castro was in the light of the bell regardless. Harrison's gonna hit the bottom line of in front of the pitcher so whatever so he may just be in there as a placeholder but gabum deceased estate down the miners and show that show something he the crazy thing about him as it's been such a gap between what he's been able to do at the minor league level and that what he hasn't been able to do with the major was relieved. You stare at it. Everybody was calling for his recall. Our is call up when he was just blowing away the minor leagues but then at the major league. We're talking about a guy that's hit one. Eighty one of the three. Oh nine of at thirty percent. Strikeout rate But at the at the minor league level that he was wearing guys out Did it aaa did it did it. Aaa aa wasn't really there. So maybe it was just an accelerated growth path for him. Maybe it was too fast or reset should help. But it's not the alternate site. I don't think we'll see him until summertime. Yeah this is just a bummer. Is kind of getting a lot of shares of cardi boom. You know he'd gotten lasix surgery in the offseason at thought. Oh maybe that was part of the issues. I'm trouble seeing the ball and Yeah it just. He's not been able to hit in at some point. You gotta hit so. I mean he is droppable pretty much in every redraft format in dynasty. I would still hold onto him. I if i can But yet and redrafts. You gotta let him go. I'm going to be dropping him in my tag team league that i took him with shelly. Annan my main event which i believe. I took him with my last pick of the draft on on. So he's six for forty five. This spring was seventeen. Strike at a time. Trae turner's seven for forty but turner's trai turner. You could do that by traitors. also walked ten times. he's got a forty. Ob car kibo at one. Thirty three to four be pita to twenty two slug. That's it got us at the now. This was the right decision. Yeah as far as josh harrison is concerned. I have to move over to the draft champions. Adp because he's not been drafted in a single online championship in the last two. Weeks is adp in draft champions. is five ninety three In your really really deep formats. He's going to have some value and only Fifty round draft hold So if you've got one of those drafts coming up he second third base eligible. He's gonna play Brought to you know produce a ton but he will. He will get played appearances at least early in the season. So there you go all right. That's gonna wrap up the news Real quick before we jump into our bold predictions We did get a question in the discord. If you want to have questions answered on the podcast Discord is the place to get it in the end. The discord you have to sign up for the patriots Which is patriot on slash sleeper. And the bus so In lincoln will be in the show notes in description When you're listening to your podcasts player so the question is how do you approach. Early season fab he was specifically asking for. Nfl leagues But just in general. How are you approaching your early season. Fat tend to be aggressive or kind of lay back and save your money this is. This is really tough. Because i've been over it's a great question to Because it i've been all over the place with things i have and i've seen other folks below through it early because you you get more return on investment. If you buy the player you can get especially if you hit one. You know you get the right guy out of the gate and the guy becomes starting a starter at year. It run with it. That's where it gets crazy by the way. Scott kingery down aaa Guys who have not been able to hit major league. Pitching he discussed sent down the so. That also happened. But with the with the role i like to use. Is anybody that you took a reserves. You should be willing to cut immediately if they weren't good enough for your active roster than if you took them in the reserves. You shouldn't hesitate to you shouldn't hesitate to To come up with that Replacements and i know we've got an a. b. c. fab running this weekend I've that's the approach i've taken. I have multiple bids on what players are on reserve roster in in both my online championship anti dfb with that but other things labor. There are guys. I want even deeper twelve team labor. There are players out there. That i wanna give up because of the labor rules. I'm not willing to cut anybody off by active roster because we you can't if you pick them up you gotta put it in your active but you can only put in the active if you have. Somebody injured right now. Because yo you have been able to elevate you buddy. So the only way i would be able to do anything is because at the richmond sat down i was able to promote kevin lewinsky as my second catcher I would have to cut plewinski to make room. But i don't have a catcher to us. I would have to pick up catcher in. That's either Taking a chance that two thousand nineteen roberto perez was semi real or everything else about roberta praises. The real peres right And so that's the only the only thing i could do in labor is pick up a catcher or somebody that i drafted and i'm not there yet. I i'm not gonna say like it's time to cut the jake dunes. Time to lights jillian meriwether especially as good as meriwether looked in his first appearance. The other day So that's that's where. I am on that We have our first fab in tout on wednesday at likely be making a couple. I have to make some moves Joe adele got sent down. Chris davis is going to be on the i l. And so i've got a cover couple of roster spots there. Because bobby bradley stupid jake. Bowers big out of options. made the club's the first face at a bradley. So i've got to make some moves there to So that's really the approach. I wanna take but i'm more aggressive with guys that we think that like. Hey this guy is going to be the closer because if you think about it like if somebody loses that closer job week one and whoever that somebody that's gonna be a high fab bid if if we were drafting like i have a. I have a home ale draft on april ten april nine. Something like that right. It's the second saturday after opening day because we we don't do the because of the easter weekend. We're not doing it after opening day. So got pushed back a week so i had a job. If he got named the closer there his value goes up a mentally And if he can keep that job that he runs and so. I tend to be more aggressive with relievers early on But it seeped unders usually enough options out there. Most leagues where you can just kind of spread the Ceo can i'll put a few bucks on this guy. A few bucks on that guy and see which one of clicks with that but tend to be more aggressive. Began with pitchers relievers early on myself. What about you. I i mean it's definitely format dependence so i mean you know if we're talking if b c I definitely want to try to be a little bit more aggressive early on. Especially if i feel like you know i like to do kind of a real dissection of my team after drafted and go okay. Where am i strong. Where am i. If i if i'm weaken a certain spot and i feel like i'm missing some. I'm going to be aggressive On that. so for instance. If i'm light on saves i'm be real aggressive early on trying to find a closer. I'm light on speed or power to be really aggressive. Trying to address those Those deficiencies early on. You also really want to pay attention to your league if you're in a home league you've been playing with these guys and gals for an extended period of time. You know how your league shapes upright so you know like that. Jeff is going to stop paying attention mid season you know. And so that's one less person you've gotta worry about bidding guys midseason or there's two or three guys stop paying attention So that means you can be more aggressive early because it'll take less to get players later right so it's really about knowing your league. If you're playing in a publicly in like a yahoo arrhenius skin people stop paying attention. Vinci's as you can be more aggressive early on and not worry about having to save your money in nfc. I wanna make sure that. I've got eighty two hundred dollars a remaining for the last four to six weeks of the season so I may be a little bit less aggressive in the first few weeks because other people are going to be related. And then i start getting aggressive But you're right if i took someone in the last. Let's say seven to ten rounds of my draft. I less of them than the guys. I was taking earlier. So i'm willing to kind of turn those roster spots over. I don't want to overreact too. Early kind of Season numbers because that's a pitfall people fall into early season myself included. But at the same time. I don't if i feel like i m seeing a breakout Or there's a guy who's on a really hot stretch. I'm gonna take the gamble on him because You know if you're lucky it'll continue through the season and all of a sudden you've gotten someone who's aside you know the same way we saw with lucas giolito. A few years ago right where. Nobody drafted him. He started off fantastic and those people who took that shot on him early in the season it paid off huge for them so You know you don't want to be left behind and you don't wanna hold onto guys that aren't performing especially the bottom and if you're rosser early on so all right let's We've got about. Let's see about twenty five minutes left. I want to jump into some of these bold predictions. So jason what is your first prediction. see my first one was with alleeasier hernandez And i think. I'm trying to go back because i wrote down the ones i wanted to do but i forgot to write down. Exactly what my wording was. I don't wanna change my words. So let me pull this up real quick and i said eliezer hernandez was going to be a top sixty pitcher this year do you. So you believe in the third pitch in that he's gonna Kind of you know. Take another step forward here. I believe in a pitch. I also believe that. When i look back at last year so i said okay. She'll be the starting pitchers with at least twenty. Five innings pitched last year that had strikeout minus walk percentage twenty seven percent of higher that list. seven names on it bieber. Degrom bauer glass. Now maya lament in hernandez that's outstanding company to keep even if over twenty five innings and that was re without third pitch and so he's that he was keeping that kind of company With an incomplete repertoire. I'm like all in on him. He has been my mullins where people are snaking you because you're in the same draft as they are. I'm getting snaked under nasa's like two different drafts. he's gone to pick before me stop publishing material about it before but i am really excited about effect. I'm i'm just excited about the marlins particular i think i saw the over under on them this year. And they're at seventy five wins. That's like free money on. I'm really excited about this. Pitching staff And what they're going to be able to put down together. That the opened the season against the Socks But i'm going to be able to watch those guys and and go from there all right right My first one is many more go is going to be a top thirty. Outfielder this So i i love me margot. I think his defense will keep him in a even if he struggles early on in the season but I don't think he's gonna struggle. And i think he could be starling marseille ish. You know a guy who hits fifteen home runs steals thirty bases of for these raise Is going outside the top two hundred. I got snaked on him. In the main event. I was very very upset about it there was an audible. Swear someone day saturday. The country i was i was pretty pissed My buddy phil so is was the guy. Yeah i was. I was so stoked i literally. Someone clipped it off the livestream. I did and having livestreaming like all my drafts This year ozzy. Check that out over on my youtube but Yeah now. I was like right. Please don't please don't ask me right here. And then literally as they finish that sentence margot and i just you know. I just swore not as last week so it was. It was probably my biggest Screaming swear of the draft season but Yeah i do believe in many more go. I believe in what we saw In him in in twenty twenty including the postseason where get the five home runs. I don't think he's a twenty plus home run hitter but fifteen thirty i think is well within reason And i do think that I've been trying to grab him anywhere. I can't so. I've got him so far in ten of my twenty. Nfc drafts that. I've already done so fifty percents Share rate You know he's my second most on player to cedric mullins. Who will be talking about here in jason. Let your next guy ought The follow up on margot it really depends case. People forgotten remember hit kobe. His father passed away didn't came back in september. He was stealing basis in right and he's always been a good stolen base success guy. Maybe he doesn't have the high volume but when he runs he does it well and then hit for the barracks because he had one regular season homer and it was a fence creamer And then he comes in. The postseason has five home runs. So it's like you look at that. Extend that body of work look into september and october. You're like hey this is interesting. And i was honestly surprised This price during drafts didn't get higher Because surprise to you if you look at the race do the rotation yeah they've got a rose arena the gut. Meadows got cure meyer. They've got margot They don't have a full-time d. h. They tend to use the d. h. As a day off from the field. And so you kind of rotate. Those guys through and so yeah. Yeah four outfielders but yet four spots to use for outfielders. Now that's that's got where i see a Honestly surprised that he hasn't gone a bit higher and he's been a target in multiples. And i got him in labor. Tout i forget which one With it but that's that's the other ones there so we'll see more of it. I think the the one that i had and again for all of these predictions that i made before spring training started so i. I've not changing the ones that i've chosen is changed my phrasing for it but these are all stuff that i put in the bowl. Prediction series are at a wire. And this one here is something. I've published in early february. Saying that tanner scott was going to be talked one fifty pitcher this year and the reasons why is it. I i put out said hundred heartbe. Everybody adams as presumptive closer on harvey has a fifteen as more of majorly experience that you were behalf with a history of getting hurt. All the conditions were there for it and at the time that i wrote that ten scots. Adp was six thirty one. i mean he was just. You had to go to draft champions league even get and now he's coming in the you know the eighteen th through the twenty first round if i saw things recently. So that's where he was but before all of this like all the conditions were there if you are willing to take reserved art and again in this format you can take those darts reserve rounds. Because let's say this happens this week. You already had your main event. Hunter rb bus. Tenor scott's named the closer ten scott's gonna go for a chunk of money And so this was. I just like what tanner scott. But it all comes down to fastball. Command yeah. He throws a fastball the upper nineties and has the great slider but when he's behind in counts. Everybody sits on the fastball. On i point this out like two thousand. Nineteen the league hit three. Eighty six off his fastball. You're throwing your fastball. Ninety six ninety eight and the league still hit three eighty six it that tells you what baseball is these days right but he they knew it was coming but when he can get ahead of the account and then it's like okay you gotta guess what's coming because his slider is excellent And that's what happened last year in a smaller sample size. He was throwing strikes that he had to keep hitters guessing and we saw what he was capable of non closing. What we have not seen is how he actually handles the spotlight of the ninth inning At a full time basis. Because we've seen other guys previously with excellent skills fade under that spotlight or some guys with miss skills. Excel out of nowhere. But for him he was a guy that i have been targeting all he is in just about every Every league that. I've been able to get him. I have them And i'm excited to see what he's capable of because quite honestly if he does while out of the gate. I don't see him losing his job outside of injury yep i took him last night As like my fourth closer In that online championship. And i just kind of against snaked on him Got lots of series of hunter harvey. Unfortunately most those will be dropped except for in drafting holds Where i have him so I think he's gonna be the guy or at least get the fair share of Save opportunities in baltimore the not gonna game. So who knows what that actually Kind of racks up to in terms of his. Save total but I do like Tanner scott may do think he is still fairly cheap in most leagues. Especially if you're drafting your home league. Espn yahoo cds. Were still kind of buried in the eighty p He can be a real nice kind of last closer Whether you're a ten twelve or fifteen leaks up Like that call out My next one is patrick. Corbin will be a top fifteen starter this year. Wow you know. It is bolt. I'm going bolt like you know. We're not gonna hit all of these right. That's the purpose of bold predictions is probably a fifteen percent success rate. But it just showing You know the readership listeners. In who were high on. And patrick corbin is my guide. Got him in eight of my twenty And if b c leagues so far also drafted him in tout end the barclay accel. I think that's Ten leagues in total I mean this guy who the pre prior to twenty twenty had been a top fifteen top twenty starter in fantasy And were glenda ges. Throw him out. Because of a shortened season in which he wasn't able to ramp up properly talked about that being a real issue for him. He's looked pretty good in spring. So far The velocity at Last i saw was pretty good as well which was kind of the big concern for him. So i i like. I like patrick corbin. I believe he's going to have a big bounceback year In washington and people are going to be regretting looking too much at the twenty twenty status. And he's also he's also made the new pitch tracker for two different veges enhancement new cutter as reshaping. Change is your check. Another check multiple things he was working on. So it'd be is definitely worth watching even if one of those sticks. It's going to be huge for so On the cutter would be really. I mean we all the the problem with patrick. Corbin has been has been rights. The change up obviously helped but either one of those working. He wants to reshape his change. Because it just hasn't worked well but either one of those pictures would be nice because he can throw that guttering get in on the righty or parrot up with the fast ball And just use it to sneak over the outer edge but he just needs one of those and that should be an improvement for him. Because that's what the issue has been is just when you can stack brady's against him And most teams have found their success. He just shuts down the left but the splits are not healthy as because he hasn't had that He hasn't had that consistent other offering easy he's always said i'll use my fastball and to breaking balls and that's all i'm going to use but that that shelf-life kind of worn off and if he can add just another thing that gets has a different look to it i'd be more excited about the change up but again i'll take either. One of these pitches are Me your next one makes one stick it in the al. And i honestly. I tweeted a little bit about this morning. I had no idea what to make. But i had bobby dalbec finishing outside the top three fifty. Because i don't know where the the strikeout profiles crazy at the time i wrote. This prediction is. Adp was to ninety four. I don't know what it is over the past few weeks but you look at it. He struck out over forty percent of the time last year. The track record on those guys is not great. But i tweeted out a graph. And if you if you take bobby dalbec twenty twenty dollars in combined with what he's done in spring training so far we're talking about triple slash line of two eighty three seventy one with a six eighty slug isn't homerun every nine and a half plate appearances but he's also got forty one percent strikeout rate ads. So that's where it's like. There's great risk of reward. I back over players. I said okay. Shelby the guys that struck out at least forty percent of the time and tell me what they did. The following season with their weighted on base average at the high end of the current. Aaron judge at sixty one percent. He is sixty. One percent improvement is weighted on base average. After striking out. Get fifty two home runs. I don't think any of us are saying that. Bobby dalbec is aaron judge but the next on that list was john walsh at fifty two percent improvement and walsh and dalbec decent. You're like hey. I see kind of thing But and then you've got tom murphy at breaking a catcher at thirty two percent improvement heavier baya's twenty seven percent of Jacoby jones in the twenty percent. Derek fisher fourteen and frenchy corner. What nine but not the other end of that spectrum tolerate neil who this is. This is the combat. I can't get out of my head is the same type of you're right handed hitter lots of power. Lots of swing and miss. It's like tannen. Rowe neil there at sixteen percent that joey gallo at the other end ford forty percent because joey galaxy up as a rookie in two thousand fifteen flashed all the power flash all the strikeouts and then spent most of the two thousand sixteen in the minors because he wasn't making enough contact down there either and so i try to look at what's possible for dalbec and it could be all over the place because the ones they hit the that survived mosa Did well amount talked about two guys out of out of eight. That had positive negative year of year weighted on base average. Six of the eight had positive. You look okay. maybe walsh's But i put it out. Look if if bobby dalbec has a fifty two percent improvement weighted on base average. He'd be like the al mvp last year. Only one soto had hired wall. The did what you would project on. So i know what it was. The average the average improvement on the euro year low bahir was a was eighteen percent. And if bobby dalbec because an eighteen percent improvement over his twenty twenty wobble he would have led the american league in twenty twenty That's how crazy this. So but i just when i look at a guy who's who has such context struggles because he had one of the worst only what looked it up. Only o.'neil import hail farro have had worse seasons of contact with a back did last year but what made contact he killed the ball So that's but. I'm running away from this one. I don't have him I have faded him everywhere. But if he comes out and comes on does what. Jared wall stood last year. Over what jared while showed us in two thousand nineteen. It's been done before what surprises. But i'm fading. This towards the tyler. Neil thing because even though i can't. I still have tyler. O.'neil in at least one league i still wanna believe But that's i'm i'm leaving. This could be more of a meal season that it is going to be a walsh season. Yeah i mean. I've talked about this on twitter and talked about it on the podcast so i won't belabor the point too much but if you sort by minimum ninety plate appearances because he only at ninety two appearances last year Bobby dalbec was the had the worst contact percentage in major league baseball. He was also third. Worse in terms of swing. Strike rate for hitters I just eat. He's already struck out. Nineteen times in fifty one plate appearances. That's a thirty six and a half percent while he's hitting three eleven in spring. I don't care like another seven home runs. I know there is a michael. We're gonna believe be candidate right. Yeah i i just this kind of profile. Does i mean he is miguel. Shenault joey gallo light right at. Don't want the light version. If i'm gonna take the virtue want the the more expensive version That i feel like i'm at least going to get something more with. I just have not been getting daubach at all. All right my My next one his trevor. Bauer is not top. Twenty pitcher this year People are taking him in the first round of drives or early in the second People believe i just new location. New catcher New system And we've seen this before. We've seen him being elite pitcher and then the following year just absolutely crap the bed. I don't trust him as a tinkerer. He loves to just kind of mess with things even when things are going. Well and i i. I'm not putting any stock necessarily into his spring. When he's been pitching with his eyes closed. I just think he's kind of a jerk off for doing that kind of thing i know. He's trying to be funny but at the same time Like you know there's other people he spacing that are trying to win major league jobs and she kind of tree that with a little bit of respect but whatever. He's got a four twenty four. Era and spring one. Oh one point. Seven whip You know lots of strikeouts and you're going to get strikeouts in your volume. But i'm i'm really unsure about wear the ratios are gonna be and that's that's my biggest fear is that he is not going to deliver the elite ratios that you need to do our need him to do taking him in the first or second round so i would say of your of your three. This is the one i believe has the the highest chance of happening so far And you look at it from a few things. It's like it this whole news about baseball. Pay attention to potentially doctrine the baseball based on this. It's like it. They're targeting bauer in this At a not to defendant but everybody else has got three your baseline of data. Bauer has a look at my two thousand twenty against everything else and says like if he can take it up to if he continues to twenty in his twenty twenty levels of spin rate. They may say you're doing something because he came out last year and applied. I'm doing it everybody else doing it. Nobody stopping me. So that's there. And i'm sure you're ready to queue up your victory lap. Because he is opening the season in course at. So if he is blasted. In the corridors. You're going to be running around directory. Lap said yep told you cubs right But adele seriousness. I was entertained. Was yesterday the day before. Where bauer and. Jose ramirez were in the plate appearance where bauer was telling. Jose ramirez. what was coming along is like okay. I'm doing it with. What i hear comes curveball. Here comes a fastball. And he ended up striking out. He's like yeah soon like he did his own victory lab around the mouth and that was entertaining. I i'd like that side of baseball with that that you can get away with that in spring training but if the conditions there between having to face the padres had a pitch in chorus field a free agent moving to a new market on a big contract a lot of things are there reporting the bad direction. Unfortunately i did take him at p seven. Tgif i twentieth overall some hoping you're wrong goes all right so we've got about five minutes left outlets bang through our last when each real quick. Jason who is your last got last one black to more scott barlow. Sorry you coming. It's neck marlow with it again. But i wrote back january but with scott barlow. I said he's going to be a top fifty pitcher whereas tried to look at the market. I know a lot of people are trying to push kansas city up and saying why they may contend for wildcards year. I'm not believing in that I've also basing this prediction off of Being traded or olive being injured With this but when i look at what the bullpen situation looks like behind him. Sure josh dont throws harder. You can tho the triple digit fastball. But he also has problems with his walks and yet he can strike out. Some offset his walks. But you look at you. Look at the side by side comparison and despite all the strikeouts drops on strike out minus walk representatives thirteen percent or all those at nineteen percent. Barlow has fewer baserunners per nine innings. Barlow installment have the exact same batting average against And they have. They both have issues with righties lefties. There's nothing else. Separating them with that is just that stormont puts more baserunners on allows. More home runs. If you're looking for somebody the ninth inning does aren't good to have as a closer and so barlow's somebody that i have been acquiring everywhere whether it be endgame. Al mixed league reserves type of thing. I want him. Because i believe that. This is his job by mid season. And he's not gonna let it. Go ahead so i have been aggressively acquiring at the i made. The prediction had being a top one fifty pitchers. Adp was five forty six so again. He was just in draft champions land. He was even being touched And most of your other formats all right. I actually liked that call. Especially you know if the royals want to kind of limit the arbitration numbers forestall mont. They could easily put barlow In that role if something happens solid. I hope nothing happens all and because i do have a championship but Yeah i mean also got a lot closer so not super weird My next went is cedric mullins. Gotta make sure. I get my cedric mullins. I have in. He's going to be a top sixty outfielder An some people are gonna be like well. that's not vary You know. That's not very bold. He's going currently in the last weeks in online championship as the hundred outfielder. So i'm i'm giving them another forty spots You know met a beat my chest and take my victory lap. Even before the season started nobody was talking about such as you were talking about coming into the season. And what did i say. I said that he was gonna likely lead off for the orioles. He was going to have an everyday role especially with the injuries that they're dealing with right now in baltimore. It looks like that is going to be the case. He's gonna play pretty close to every day in leadoff when he's in the lineup so I like moans lot. There's just enough power not a ton of our By the is they're on a team that i think will let him run So yeah cedric mullins. Topsy outfielder currently going in outfielder hundred and these are the two guys going on either side of scott kingery and oscar mancado. Who were both sat down to the minor so That's the kind of picks on on around their guys. You aren't guaranteed even opening day roles and I think he's i think he's going to have not. I mean he's not gonna win anybody their league but i mean if he hits to fifty With i dunno double digit home runs like to thirty home runs and twenty stolen days. That's a steel as the hundred outfielder going at three fifty one right now as long as i don't play it man. I remember watching enough last year. Where he was the infield hit especially with him being able to dropbox down He was he was stealing. Quite we have Infield hits he had three bonds spot hits yet not i nine last year in the show. Sec low there's he led the majors her yet he led the majors in hits last. Yeah so all right dot is all time we've got for today marin all right go inside when other news. Dana vogel bach made opening day. Roster matt bush and ian kennedy both made the rangers bullpen. So if you're looking for closer in texas pick one of those guys But no my final guy. Because i gotta get him in his tj until This is a guy that all offseason i've wanted. I even took him in in twenty third round of the rotor. Drat mock draft that we did for the magazine back mid december. So i was that aggressive back. Then i said he was going to be a multi reliever he could be a starter because he was that the minor leagues and either way. I wanted them i. It looks like he's going to be that multi ending reliever for now And maybe he's in that mix to with sims and garrett and do little But i am a believer in. Dj intel and the stuff is legit as good that the spring injury is seems to be monitored. He's gonna be ready to go. But i'm very excited to see what this guy's going to be able to do this year. Yeah i think he is. potentially One of the guys. That could be this year's tylenol. Who thought was going to be a bulk reliever and have some real good value that way but finds himself in the rotation at some point Do you like that call out. I'll do my last quick one. What's the at the Micro is not a top hundred starter. This year yes Agreed so he's not going to be ready for opening day He doesn't have the strikeout upside. He needs the volume. I'm very concerned. About what the volume is gonna look like even when he is itching But i'm just you know. I talked about this one already. I'm disdain away from mike saga so yeah. I agree all right We gotta get outta here. So jason remind everybody where you reaching up plugging. You got going on on the twitter I'm already spring. Training ratpac piece at rotorua this week. Looking at a number of things. We talked about dalbec Tim anderson is making a lot more contact this spring that he has historically. I believe that's noteworthy. The fact talked about seattle running but city is really been terrible. Stealing bases a spring Josh bell looking good this brings on grabbing a couple of things. Like because we're at the point it's like these advice articles it's like oh my god. What else would most of us have already drafted so now. It's time to fi- what we've learned. So i'm looking at here. What we here's what we have in the spring. This is how many pitches for out there. These are like the top five that most focused on. Let's see what happens. That's my peace ously. Yeah i'm wearing Daily over fan guest of two pieces on opening day Including a bold prediction piece that will cover some of this and another bold prediction piece. They're both coming out on opening day. And then i'll be doing the rodeo right up daily over at fan graphs Going to be writing pretty close daily fantasy alarm. His wealth got this podcast. The t. j. f. b. i. Podcast with my wife In the fringe benefits podcast That i'm doing And that is about it for jason myself. Think we're listening a fantastic baseball season.

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