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Feel Good Habits | Jordan Samuel

The Emma Guns Show

23:45 min | 11 months ago

Feel Good Habits | Jordan Samuel

"Hello Hi and welcome to another episode of the gun show and another edition of feel good habits this time featuring my knee friend Brandon facialists and former ballet dancer Jordan Samuel. Now I say new friend because we only met a matter of weeks ago at the launch of his range onto cult beauty in the UK at dinner he hosted actually I think Caroline Islands I think Carolina hosted actually in his honor in central London and a few flutes of champagne a couple of request to see his dawn's move. It's not an IRA. If you haven't asked him to do the splits and I filmed on the stairs about his retinal oil hydrating mist and after cleansing. Thank you very much. And a friendship was born and Jordan as you will hear is just good energy positive and such a go-getter so he was such an obvious choice to come on the show and share his feel good habits. It's also his debut on the pocus but trust and believe he will be back all the next to Jordan and everything we discuss will be in the show notes for now. Please join me. In welcoming Jordan Samuel and his fielded habits onto the Emma gun show. There's one person I love chatting to Jordan. Now we've done together but this is your first appearance on the show. I am so excited and so honored seriously hundred. Honored thank you. I've been such a fan. I've Yup such thank you so much. There's very nice of you to say now. We met only a few weeks ago and I would like to think it was. I like to think it was cute. It was love affair size far as I'm concerned and partly because you are such good energy we had a good fund giggle fast time. He met which was very very lovely at your launch in London. We had a lovely dinner. Didn't we always amazing if we could go back? That'd be lovely and it was a nice lemon meringue pudding. If memory serves yes well so just seeing that you would be a really good person to speak to feel good habits because you seem like good energy or very disciplined and yeah. I just really wanted to find out from you. What your feel good habits are like what do you do? Whether it's you can't make up in the morning or you just think oh I just want to roll over and stay in bed all day or when you just feel like life really isn't going your way. What your strategies are that help you keep moving forward because you all the founder and CEO of Jordan Samuel. Skin you have pushed to business. Forward is a very competitive place. So what are your star student? I love this topic. Because it's you know it's really really critical now but in general. I just think it's it's great to always have in your back pocket and something that not to get too far into this but I was formerly Professional Ballet Dancer Which was my entire identity for the whole life and when I retired from that there was a bat an eye transition to skin but I felt like I still have one foot in each professional. Most I hadn't fully grieved my professional ballet career but I wasn't fully established in my aesthetic skincare career and I went through like a really bad outings. -iety stress and anxiety for the first time in my life so and was put on like a low dose of medication which I hate it and immediately got off because it was helping but I was not myself and I knew that was wrong but anyway through all of that I found meditation looming to me. That is just like my number. One feel-good tip and meditation that works for you so this is not me doing an hour every day carving out time stressing about the amount of time. I have to do it Funny enough since we've now been working from home being inside not being able to go out. I will do meditation for three minutes. If I've three minutes I will just sit and close my eyes and do breath work do a little mantra or five minutes or whatever that time period is I really haven't actually done it for more than probably five in the past few weeks but just that consistency of quieting your mind as much as possible for me it helps. I don't see how structure the day it helps put me gets me in a different mindset for the day so then if the news happens to be on the way I'm reacting to. The news tends to be a little bit better if I had that little. Bit of something going on If Ya I mean it all comes back to the news. Whether you're reading the news online on Social Media Sina posts on social media that maybe sets you off or actual news on the television But simple and you know the thing too is i. I really recommend that people look into it because people think they need to sit and be quiet and not have thought come into their mind and if they don't have that they're failing at meditation which could not be further from the truth. The whole process is to sit there with those thoughts. Let those thoughts come in acknowledged them and then let them go doing that. Until you sort of are in that silence base and that might be like for me. Now meditated for years and some days are better than others and some days there it is clear mind and other days that mine is not clear whatsoever. But that's not the point. The point is is consistency In that so for me meditation is like my number one. You can do it from anywhere you can do it laying down you can do it sitting. Ideally get a quiet space turnover. But I'll do it laying in bed and just close my eyes and do some breath work and there's great ads. Some are free a lot of free right now. Actually Guided Meditations Oprah and Deepak Chopra. That's actually how I got into meditation. Funny enough was Oprah and Deepak. Chopra did their first like twenty one day. Meditation Challenge Years Ago. Maybe like eight years ago at this point I did it and it was great because it explained everything and it it gave you the guided meditations. It just put sort of tools in your hands and I and I love that. Do you remember the first time you meditated and did you feel ridiculous or Sub Question? How long before you realize it was actually having an effect? I felt ridiculous because I was doing the whole thing. Like you know I'd cross my legs. I was home which you can do. You don't have to do. But like there is that nice sort of peacefulness to it. But yes no. I felt like a farce away. It was not something that I'd ever like tuned into. Were was into didn't really know what I was doing but I did it. It was sort of. I got to the point where I'm like. I don't WanNa do this. So let's try this and But then I'm trying to think I was one of those things where it probably started helping from day one but it wasn't until probably six months later where I realized. Oh my mood actually been fine lying. It wasn't you know so there wasn't a time period where I noticed it immediately work probably months afterward. I realized oh I have been stressed. I haven't been anxious and realized that that period had gone on for a long time. Tracing it back so yeah. It's just a little bit to me. I liken it to taking medicine or taking well no. That's not fair because I actually will take medicine doesn't make you feel better but I think that has a negative connotation but to me is more of A. It's a workout for the brain. So you got a good sense of wellbeing afterwards too and without wanting to revisit difficult place but do you have just a way that. I feel like if you had to describe it to someone who anxiety manifested it was just complete impending doom out of control not out of control. It wasn't ever dangerous it wasn't ever but it was. It was just yet impending doom. It was like everything was bad. Like the walls caving in it that the best way to describe it just anything whether it was health or business or personal life it just felt like I would always go to the negative. I was in a bad loop in my head really an explanation of it yesterday. I read it somewhere which is is being trapped in the present by the fear of the future. Yeah exactly exactly. That's exactly what I had a little bit of grieving the past which I think through in a whole different type of like bad mix to a absolutely. That's a great. Yeah that's perfect. And so if someone's listening to this thinking okay. I keep hearing people talk about meditation. I get I'm going to give it a go is there. Is there a resource that you would recommend that you whether you try to yourself with you know that your friends have had success with when you suggested it to them? Honestly it's the I would start with Oprah and Deepak show premeditation challenge. It's there is a website for it because they just waiting yes and they just launched a new one maybe a few days ago maybe a week ago in reference to everything. That's going on now so I think that's helpful but what I like about. It is Deepak Chopra specifically walks you through as a beginner things. You might feel ways. You might be wall meditating how to sort of let that come in and come out. There's great APPs once. You sort of. Get the gist of it. Perfect starting place. Because there's there's explanation behind that you're not just jumping in with music and a mantra or something which would be absolutely fine but I like a little bit more explanation so people know what to expect and do you feel that I know. I know the show is over secret. Feel good habits with this particular franchises cooled feel-good habits but I feel like with meditation. It's cool to practice for a reason and also being consistent doing regularly you it becomes a part of it but it's not like A. It's not a quick fix but if you're prepared to put the work in as you say the way that you deal with work what you do with other things you'll reactions are consistent across the board going to be better and serve you better so you're not going to be making new jet reactions will freaking out as much as that kind of you experienced. Yes absolutely And New Bald is a practice. Like I said what I am. This is going to go into something else. That is not really a habit. But then I'll talk about in a bit but but as being gentle with yourself like I'm very big on being gentle with yourself as a habit because I think we are so programmed to be like. We have to get up at this time. We have to do this. We have to do this workout We have to go to bed. We have to do our twelve steps. Can you know we put ourselves all these sort of crazy boxes and just being a little bit more gentle with yourself and so for me with meditation while it is a practice? I do the three to five minutes. I don't do the twenty minutes anymore if it doesn't work for me So that part A. B. Yes for me. It's I don't it's not this incredible sense of euphoria but it's how I take things in how I process things And how I always say like how I have the loop in my mind going. It's now in a positive loop like there's never this sort of which I think. Sometimes people get into I call it a loop like a negative of sort of these thoughts that just go keep going negative thought after negative thoughts so that to me is how I do it and then how I process the results from it I find it really interesting as well because as you said earlier you were a professional dancer. And that is one of those professions that we all know is. Incredibly intense physically requires a huge amount of dedication and requires a an incredible amount of pushing like we. When I think about professional dancers I think about weedy pushing your body to the Max and I find it interesting that you talked about grieving not doing that anymore. But then almost like training your mind muscle where you'd been like physically training for so long. It's exactly so that's something that I'm not GonNa talk about physical. Well I guess I am but not in the sense of like an actual workout physical movement to me is just as important exactly meditations the mind workout. It's line part of the workout for your body. Absolutely so being gentle yourself. He said was another one being assigned yourself because I really still think even now that we're working from home and we have the ability. I think to for once be gentle with ourselves if we want to sleep in those extra thirty minutes and I know that like we should still have. I believe regularity in our schedule. Certainly so don't go start going to bed at three. Am If you're waking up but you know to win all over the place but just being gentle with yourself so now if there is you know maybe you have a really bad lunch or really bad dinner. So what let it be. Move on with it. Change it for the next time. I just think white now. I like being gentle with myself in general. I'm somebody who if the alarm goes off. I don't jump out of bed not because I'm not happy. Not because not driven. It's just the way I have to process and start my down right foot so we'll go off and then maybe I'll take ten minutes just petting my cat or you know. Having time to just chill than I got up slowly than I have my breakfast I just need those mornings to be like gentle for me and obviously gentleness and gentle with yourself and being calm with yourself is going to be different for each person But like I said you miss a workout that you wanted to do then you miss a workout and you just start back the next day you have you know you're craving chips or your cravings XYZ enjoy those And just really be kind to yourself because I think in general. That's good but right now. It's at the top. I think the last thing. We need is strict rules and guidelines for our own personal health and well-being wall inside an end working from home. It's a really good point as well because One bad day bad meal. One doesn't mean it has to follow. That's going it's just one anyth- always and that's what I. That's how I talked to about skincare. Not Pick the skincare ended. I love it when people like. They beat themselves up for not taking their makeup awful night. That's fine just to get back to it. You know do you morning than like. It's the bigger picture right. It's all about the bigger picture so we have to be gentle with ourselves when we have to be kind with ourselves and right now is the time where things are going to be. Different than things are going to be unique. So yeah if I think I did have like a handful of cashews and like a bag of chips for lunch the other day and that is not my usual lunch we then just moved on with the day and I was fine with it and Or if like yesterday maybe I slept in thirty more minutes or maybe I liked it some emails in bad or yeah exactly. I just feel. Oh and on Monday. I've been regulated with my at home workouts. But on Monday it would have been too much stress too much stress on myself if I actually went into that workout and then was frazzled. To do the next thing so you know what? I didn't do the workout but then it was fine because then I did the work out yesterday. I don't do the same thing so I just think. Sort of easing those borders for yourself making life a little bit more. I mean right. I'm Italian American too. So it's always the sweetness of doing nothing. So I am a big believer in that and I think we over schedule and over book ourselves so if now it's there's no better time than now to do that so I'm a big fan of just being gentle being kind to yourself and finding sort of your happy groove. I mean I think that's the Nice. That's the cool thing right with all of this is we can find these new. Say New normal because the word normal now being thrown around. And there's never going to be a normal after this morning. A new a new normal a new a new side of you. That maybe you haven't grant or because you had to get up and go to work at a certain time more you had to go out the door and do X Y and Z. Or you had to go to the gym or you had to do this. And now trying to find those different places where you can be gentle with yourself in kind to yourself. Yeah it's a big adjustment. Gabay very big. I think we'll be worthwhile. I really do. I see it for myself. At least I think it will be very worthwhile of like the things that we should take moving forward out of this And those that we can leave in the past one hundred percent and if they're another habit before I to he question super easy but honestly for me and I don't know about you or anybody else but Vena former dancer loving music and for me. My like outlet used to be even jogging on the treadmill doing the elliptical with headphones and listening to good music or even taking Zuma class but is it does not have to be a structured workout. It doesn't have to be anything on the computer but putting on music on a speaker in your headphones like I'm watching my husband right now. He has his headphones listening to good music. But listen to good music and just dance around. Move your body. Just I mean movement. In general we know is a great habit. A great thing for buying absolve skin everything but Put that music on while you're cooking dinner dance around have fun. Just have your own dance party. Honestly have your own damn dance party because it's so good. It's so good for your body. It's so good for your mind and I just think that I can't imagine people and I'm sure some people are in there blasting their music in their indoors but it seems like things are quieter at least around here in Seattle quiet. I don't hear music in the building. I don't hear music outside. All here is the news which is not great so good uplifting music dancing around and just like work at help. I've got a business idea. Iffy house policy the APP. Yes went don't party with Jordan. Samuel would be in that party and also I've done view these interviews now and what's really struck. Me Is how people are saying that the skin care routine is always a good habit but is something that they then looking at it in the same way as they were so what used to be. Maybe perhaps quite functional all I want to do that. I want to use this to get this result. It's now definitely becoming more of a pampering experience and I wondered whether you've changed that as well well for me being in the skin-care World I've always made it a superpower inexperience. Also because it's whether I'm trying a new product out from our lab or my lying or from another line or from friends line or something like that. I've always really used it as I'm also a big believer in facial massage so I do take time in my routine anyway But yeah that routine is happening like clockwork morning tonight. Because that's reminding like Goto but I'm happy. I'm happy to see the people. Yeah are are sort of also seeing the point in everything they're Using I think by having to be more pampering having it slowdown a bit having More self care they can look at each product and see its function instead of sort of like. You said I mean yes functional. But sometimes it's just use X Y and Z. Because you've been told to use X Y and or because you but now to really look at what each thing is doing what it's bringing and And if it's serving a purpose for you do it now all you because again having spoken to a few people for this already having a little bit of time having potentially more time than before at people's creative juices going and I wondered if that's can tell by your face that obviously happening to you is going to be like a whole new franchise will hundreds of additions to the range. So there is a yeah. I have a lot of ideas There are some that are being worked on and finished and completed. Some dads needs some more Well and the other thing too is it's also been the reverse for me. There's been things that now for me have been under the microscope. Maybe a product that was going to bring out a few months and I realized no. It's not as good as I thought it was. But I've always been a big fan of I get my most creative ideas on a airplane. My phone acknowledge. I'm focused like I'm just sitting there. There's nothing to do. I mean either sleeping or probably reading or but I can get in the zone. Where like I'm not going to go up and walk around the block. I'M NOT GONNA go into sort of take my attention away And sort of felt now. Because if I don't want to have the bad news on just turn off the TV and so there really isn't anything to take attention away. So I can focus on the creative side and yet no it's been and also what I want to see in the line going forward like I really want to also get. I think sometimes it's easy to get caught up in but just you know start creating product in I. I see this four something but I really WanNa get back to the meaning of the brand which has always been there in the first place but just take everything. Put it under a microscope. If it's serving a purpose for the brand or for somebody out there then great if not than just as a and I think that's going to be a big component of the brain going forward. I love these habits. So we've got meditation and you've given a really brilliant. We saw there and listeners. I will put the link to open Deepak. You like Oprah you your friends who Carolina. Everything makes sense gentle with yourself training your mind muscle moving physically these old really good things. It's just helpful to remember to incorporate into a day and they don't take a huge amount of time super simple super easy right. That whole thing that I gave could be ten minutes. Not even. Yeah exactly well. That's so kind of you. I really appreciate you coming on the show. Always see links to your skin care what you can get everything of social media will be in the show notes and when we can see each other in the flesh you and I are. GonNa sit down and we're GONNA do a proper Lanc no-holds-barred podcast all about your career. Your line everything account. Wait we were going to do it hopefully on your last trip there just wasn't time but I can't wait. I'M GONNA get you boy. Okay thank you so much for joining me. I'll see you very soon. Thank you

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RAV | Responding to Racial Criticisms on the Ice with Greg Mauldin

SportsEpreneur Podcast

1:04:37 hr | 9 months ago

RAV | Responding to Racial Criticisms on the Ice with Greg Mauldin

"Everybody's shaking note in here professional hockey player and mental health coach advocate, all of the above, my good buddies over sports, E for newer, and I did a podcast together about a year ago and ever since we've been keeping in touch grain content podcast now, so if anybody out there is interested in doing the same having their own podcast or wants some type of contact creation. Don't hesitate to reach out to those guys at sports, leaper Noor, they are willing and able to help you out and after listening, don't hesitate and leaving a review, and then you'll get much more access to all a Mike content across the sports equal more platform. L. Everybody. It's Jacob doing here again. With another episode of the RAV podcast raw authentic invulnerable on today's episode. I've got my very very good friend. My main man just kinda crazy. We played together all the way back in two thousand eleven with the at that time Lake Erie monsters in the AHL now they are Cleveland. Monsters but like last last episode was talking. With with Alexander, minor thereabouts playing with many many different players throughout my career in my junior days in college days, and for some reason you keep in touch with salmon, and some don't then there's no really reason or it, but Bob Greg in myself always kept in touch again. We played together in two thousand eleven. and. We're actually fortunate enough to have played against each other this season. And so anyhow I'm GONNA. Now turn it over to Greg and let him introduce himself and then Yeah, anyhow, Greg, take it over brother. Say first off. Thanks for having been Pretty Weird that we've been by for so long and the hockey world. Everything's so crazy, actually seen each other. Three or four times so A good friendship, but yeah, Greg Mauldin Small town in Holliston Massachussetts about thirty minutes west of Boston. grew up there born and raised. played my youth hockey there till. High, school. Nigerian junior and senior, the junior bruins Got A scholarship to UMASS Amherst by played three years in. Turn pro at the. Age Of twenty one thing and I was going to be an initial superstar. Outlets does some chromebook curve balls at Ya and then I just Kinda. You know. It's the Myers a little bit whatever Europe then Kinda refound myself and came back to the plan. The American League and we're GONNA. Have to get into. You know thirty some odd NHL Games and Off The last Late season to so implant in Europe and playing enough five years in Switzerland when Germany. Croatia and year and a half in an arena so you're. Both love that buddy will again. Thank you so much for for taking the time out of your day to be on this. I'm sure there's going to be many people that will listen to this gain a lot of insights into life into of course your life. But I just I want hop right into its. And maybe you could speak on some of your past experiences in terms of racial discrimination You had mentioned to me Was It last seasons ago? I think when you're in Croatia. that maybe some type of incident had taken place with fans or something like that, so if you'd be willing to to maybe share some of that with with the listeners, yeah, asthma problem so that she had a to occasions such as that. Most recent was in Croatia are wasn't crushed I'm sorry as planning for my team. ZAG REMOVED PLAYING IN A. Austrian team and me and this other guy. A Jordan Samuel Thomas is also was also black. We're actually we're trying to same line. We're having a really good game and you know next. Drew a penalty and you start hearing. He will make monkey sounds in you know doing the arms and stuff like that and It's kind of interesting of those things. It was such an intense game at that point that you're. An offer. I were so focused on trying to win the game that you don't really take it in until to get on the bench in the news like what the heck's. Happening and for him and I don't know I think. You know funny thing is that I actually coached him when he was a little bit younger. Or younger so. We. Didn't even think about it to be honest to the such as two-game Sultan's and it was actually you know. One of those things that effort happened. we're in the locker room. Some of the guys seem to be more offended in shot. towards it, which was very nice, was a very. You know knowing that you teammates have your back like that And then even later on the league came out within issue. We know with a statement saying if this ever happens again, you know these repercussions and coach you know had a meeting with the whole team and said like. Listen this the end we're walking off. The Isis is not acceptable. crew, situation so it was really nice to know that. Everyone had our back You know that's just unfortunate. That's the way the way it goes in you know could have been one or two people to get someone else started i. don't WanNa to. Even see the save at town because I don't want judge a whole group of people on you know. Handful cables actions right arms. But interesting enough as What happened Chris? You were our team folded Later on that team actually tried to get me to go there and play for them, and it was like. Nah I can't do it I'm sorry I. It just doesn't. doesn't sit well with me that you know. At one point were making monkey in Saint. Whatever racial stuff to me that I don't own a different language in an all sudden. They want me there to help them. I can't do that at a principal so. That was one occasion I was most recent and the only one that I really had with fans whereas out house was reading That was more that was more. At felt more their to their team was getting killed at the time of that game in a skit on the ice in a monkey sounds of being made, and all that sort of thing, and you look at Stanton in all people giving me this thing like that and you know we've off in a second I'm just like Oh my God leitch. I've. Never. Gotten while every Swedish prisoner been around I. I you know dirty player or anything like that so to have that happen. I was very shocked. End once again. You don't want judge a whole. Town or even team by? A handful of people and going through the hand Glenn. McGrath that game out shaking. My head is still going on. You know we're adults now and their you know. Their team skated by and shook. My hand, said. Hey, you know apologize. That's that's dumb. Stop that you can't leave. That happened in apologize. Would I. Thought was really Nice that they apologized for. Their fans once again. It's it's. Growing up I think I was kind of. Tatyana aged. These things might happen. so gave me the tools as I got older to to deal with it. Go to that As Young Hawk player. My my dad prepared me very well for that actually. and I don't know thinking about I don't know how how you go about that. As you know talented eight year old that this is something happened that you are different and you a different sport that. Not Hockey players and You're entering a different world. You know how was dealt within I think he did a good job a very good job and handled it in stride because outset of those two incidents. as a pro hockey player never had. Anything in a sixteen year career I had a lot more stuff when I was younger You know there a lot of fights A lot of fights on a scrap a lot of Just stuff that we dislike are this stuff is being that each? You don't really know right, so it's obviously being taught to him somehow from somebody in that that's that's a sad thing. I think when you look back line now, Aren't just come up with this. You know you don't know those kind of words as a kid at. Eight, nine ten years old united and those kids I. Don't really know the impact. They had on it But obviously I did at that age and. head. I remember. Last week before it turned, pro was. As in high school and you know as I was having a really good game and I guess the guy. Is the best way to get under the skin and Yeah, it was you know I wanted to win the game so bad I dealt with snow before now he's younger. You know so I to the right thing you know. He kind of said the kids get away so Get after What give them a push? I. Said something to the coach and the coach likes you know. Trying to get the ruffled sears incident here that this is This can't be happening. This is an away game and some losing in. My Dad obviously he knows my reaction. He sees what's going on in then. Somehow I get a penalty and we tally walks in them. They're just all out brawl on the ice I stop out. My teammates were jumping over it was it was actually really really awesome. know, look back and thinking about those guys On world the box, young, the other team like young talent the chaos. You'll be racist now. That's router trying to taking you know. And we'RE GONNA. Take it to that level yeah, it's it's. It's something that unfortunately it's. It's happened, but I've never. It's it's it's one of those things I guess I was prepared as unfortunate, a young kid. With it that. Growing up. You know. In, those situations facing I. Mean there aren't letting song right in my face, and that does as kid But. Yet he just it's. It's so unfortunate and it just goes to show that. You know. That stuff is still out there, and in certain places in people still don't understand the full meaning of of you know what it is and how it affects people. But everyone everyone deals at that stuff in their own way. Yes, yeah, for sure and. In my question to you would be then you know. It sounds like your father did an incredible job at like you said preparing you. You know equipping you with the tools necessary to overcome those those those situations. Those experiences because I think that. Had you not had maybe those lessons that your father was teaching? You know when you're eight nine ten. I would imagine it happened throughout your teenage years. You know maybe little things here and there, but had you not had those tools? Wouldn't you say it probably would have had a much bigger health are impact? Excuse me on your mental state on it again. If you didn't have those tools at your father gave you yes, for sure think back on how he prepared me in those ways and. I look back probably at a nearby like man if I say this, if you if think that was probably a little harsh, but it wasn't the caudal in a you know. There there. was that but at the same time it was more like hey, this. This stuff will happen in life. this will not enforcing the last time that this happens and You know just even that young as I like the way you responded to it. you know he obviously not everyone's racist. Not everyone say this kind of things like there's GonNa. Be a handful of bad apples out there that say these things and. You know you can't let it consume you in a way that. You know you're thinking that saints back is saying from because it's not going to be like that right In. Mental at a young age. I was. Thinking back I'm really happy that I was able to process it that way and. Not, let? It take over because. There are For every one or two incidents there I've had a billion amazing once you know I've had my team is step up and my back, and and that sort of thing and. Show their character, and there there are people know. That there's alignment crossed right and at and that kind of stuff. Yeah, the the the side that he kinda puts me was listen. This is going to happen and. The situation about it. You can go about fighting all the time and he's like I. Haven't had no. Problem with that like you to stand up for yourself on at some Philis. Or you can. Kind of just. You know keeping on wrong that you know your key play. You can play as a matter of black white yellow, whatever you can play a game and doesn't matter. You're going to keep on rolling. Off I tried to use it as fuel SAM's. We're going back to you. Being. One of the better players at that age. In other parents may be scared. No okay anything trial to the steamer. That's in that they can make. You know. Maybe they don't want me taking. There's some spot or An! That's what the thing is I. Don't know I. Don't know all cut from a handful. Teams Young made. thanks is racially motivated I. Don't know But those are some of the best things that ever happened to me were not making those teams looking back at it and if they had to do it all over again. if you kind of switched to that side of it like at that age, still you know waiting up. The phone call us even made the. Top Team in two times where I didn't make it back to back years. Ball and being in tears and you know. jus- cry myself to sleep at night. at San Hey. Listen Lakes located. Make that scene, but. You gotTa keep on moving forward. You'RE GONNA pay in that same lady at the play. That team against you get a chance to prove yourself against them wrong and. You know I kind of always kept that mentality. I guess it's You. Someone's always watching rate. If someone's always watching and you can keep proving yourself new is the tuition goal body can either you know try and Salkin, and and just up for me, or you can do something about it, and it's a very fine line on because I. Think there is that Cuba people need that time to. decompress in just. Let it out and be upset as long as you don't let it. Snowball today, decide where you can't can't get back to be who you are. What you really want to do right absolutely, and you could probably even translate that to the same thing of happen. Those racial situations happen right. You could sit there and Sulk, and and be mad and kind of allow that situation to use U. Rights, or you could, you could turn it around and allow it to feel you to to be a better person to use these people's. Unfortunate actions feel you to to be a better greg to understand that that is wrong. No matter again. If you're black or you're, you're of any type of color or even white. I think there is some stuff that goes on. Against White, people, you don't hear those stories rights, but I think it's important for people to hear this lesson here. About Greg is saying that he did allow to get him down, and and you know maybe goal the other direction, maybe become a bad person himself right to use it as motivation to stay true to who he was, as as a human rights, and continue making the right decisions in life, because at a certain points, maybe not so much again like you had mentioned when you were younger at eight nine ten years old, so much of our behavior at that time in our lives is learned behavior rights, but On the other hand when you're playing professional hockey to season to go in, these fans are doing these things. These people know they know exactly what they're doing. They know how wrong it is right and I a lot about so much of what people put out. There is just pure projection of how they're feeling on the inside, so I would certainly imagine that these individuals whether it be in Austria or Sweden. The ones that started the ones that were doing. It weren't doing too well in their own personal life, and that's why they acted the way they did right, but. Knew that. It wasn't people that were feeling good about themselves in their own lives you. Know, and it's a time I. go back to these instances. It's never been a one on one thing where someone's my face and done it because. You know in hockey of glass in between. Everyone's really tough when there is no, no, you can't get anyone mike bad so. It was one of those things honestly Wasn't there wasn't much sleep on either face to be honest because it was. Additional how how a group of people can be and Kind of go back on that to You know as you get older and stuff like that. People make subtle jokes in that sort of stuff, and it's one of those things that I've. Had to deal with, and luckily there's a line like. You're tiptoeing it don't cross in like I said most guys. Are Very respectful and this game. As having got guys have been making jokes haven't haven't fun but you know I. Think at a young age since I was prepared. For and mentally I was very confident myself to lake. This is what allow to to I'm willing to put up with anything more. Knowledge Let people know right away that they're crossing the line and I think that's something that Took me a little bit to get used to doing because I. don't very more passengers. Be Confrontational, but at the same time. I know I have that Sami that Oh Kaley. You've crossed the line like your tips online like hey Manley. Let's talk about this for seconds of had that teammate and he knew he didn't mean. All jokes and stuff like that but. At one top of them and he is like amount of like Isaac I didn't. Know thought you know like. You know not. You know what I mean. And he wholesome, he was dumbfounded like Oh my God. My that guy and mural immediately was just over west right? I didn't think back on it. You know I get you know. It's been fine and I think there was a lot of stuff that if I wasn't prepared, mentally at a young age gone through these kind of things. I wouldn't have the confidence to do that and I. Think a lot of things our confidence comes from. A little check it over the humps of hassle that was hadn't her life or using situations to. Grow grow into who we are are how we're GONNA define ourselves. We're GONNA GONNA do because I. Think Everyone whether. Athlete whether we're GonNa, business or something You know we can we can. Kinda draw back on? Other stuff in used as fuel or use it as a growing experience to grow to grow mentally and become mentally stronger You know whether it's you know for hockey, guys. Have to do these extra spreads in. Blah, blah bag as in a lot of it isn't so much about the conditioning about. Can you battle through a mentally and get through it? It's just like people in the army. It's not about you're gonNA. Be doing all these. Tough at the time it is Can You mentally battles? Who was your mental capacity yet to stick with it, and and not give in to? That I guess that quick kind of mindset right Where were you tap out and that's? I guess what I try to use in my own life for a lot of things In all especially when we're. Going through the summer trainings or the bags gates, or in actually that stuff very easy for me. That's the physical very easy from in actually the mental chance for me. Is it the coming home and You know making cook a good meal lake are not taking that or or make sure you know. Make It on paying the bills on time doing those little business stuff works. For me, that's where. Of Agriculture. My inner bitch comes out. I'm just like Oh. Man, I don't WanNa do that and I and I, hate saying that listen you guys on. Youtube and he talks about. Other people this is. I've been raised in had more success with coaches that have been harder on me. Just for me, that's not for everyone right? I've actually so when I say myself. A minor bitch or bit for me. That's Mason Age. I would want someone else to do this in you're this. This is not who you WANNA be in. That's why call my alter ego, when I'm not doing things according to who I believe I am, right. In one one thing on the touch on to go back a little bit before we get to far away from it is you know? Gregg mentioned that he's not the most confrontational guy which is fine I'm the same way, but we have our boundaries right. We have enough self confidence, and we have enough self respecting ourselves so that when that person is join that lie that line that Greg, he's able to speak up, but there are also many people that are saying not confrontational, but don't have that self respect. Respect net self confidence to speak up. The chances are then maybe there are a little bit fragile mentally right, so I would imagine that again. There's there's going to be many people in the world that have had the very very same types of experiences as you, and maybe these guys are are tiptoeing on that line, and instead of this person, just speaking their truth in. Hey, buddy, you're right there. Incentive that they internalize it. They go home, and now they're going with the mental health. Stop Rights in. All too often, unfortunately in society, today received so many people. Commit suicide and killing themselves because they're not able to just step up for themselves. They don't have that confidence that respects the view exactly what Greg has done many times in his past. So again I think there's a lot of lessons to be learned here from what Greg is saying. And I think one. We could say just to speak up. Not Be afraid so much about the the reaction. You might get from somebody if you do speak up because then you're caring more about that person than you are. Yourself writes Continue, no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Just continue to add onto that. I think. You know a lot of people aren't confrontation or take Kinda take it It is a IT CNN n people it is. A very powerful thing to. To to stand up for yourself, More verbally than physically. I think physically it's. For Geyser, some people comes naturally world that we're in of the hawk, deliver natural, but to do it more verbally It's a very powerful thing and for stone that's going through something that will like that learns that other at work or something like that. You know whether it's a boss or something like you know you bossing something to you. always found that. The best way even with lace. In the school yard gets bigger than you are I think probably the best way to go about it and try not to internalize I do see people do that. We see people. All the time in hockey will something goes wrong. They take it home. You. You. have to set those boundaries for yourself and maybe write him down or even just whatever you practice it in the mirror or something and one of the biggest ways that do you don't come at the person who's maybe engaging in a negative way you can say. No disrespect, but I don't really like the way you come at right now, You know. We gotta talk about this and I found in those cases whether it's not even hockey whether. People at the gym or or stuff like that age even possibly dislike kind of annoying to like as time right now. Most of the time people very, if you said that with the kind of caught off guard, they bigger Kinda put back on their heels a little bit, and then they kinda feel on Vk taken back and I think that gives you. A little bit of an edge. Edge late, just a Haley. I'm away here I have boundaries, and then whether whether it goes from there. At least you can kind of I think, go home and be like. I did something for myself and manage pushing a better state of mind that has stood up for myself today, and maybe not carrying the weight home as much as as much as it would be if he's kind kinda like maybe just kind of took it in internalize. I've done a lot of that to you. Take it home. You take it home in the internalize it. Start to go stir crazy like managed. I could have done that in. The next. Upset with yourself I think that's the mental depression comes from in. That's where you know what happens once as okay happens over and over and over again. I can easily see how people. Help people go to get to a certain level of committing suicide or really have these mental health issues because? It can it really only takes? You know one time to have Something just? Go negative and people take it to heart I. Mean You could, you could tell someone you know good job. Good job. Good job, good job for the whole year, but you say hey. That wasn't that great in. That's what people hang onto. Yes, and I think one of the best ways for people to kind of practice. Is. Now is social media. Man We post something on social media. It's you get a billion likes. You get one person that comment saying like. That's that's Photoshop. That's you look fat or global and I think that's a good way to kind of practice like. An intake I have. Positive things that one person lake at person means nothing much take. The other stuff makes just feel good. Take a wet negative away because. He said early that person has something going their own life with the fact that they need to take time out. You know how bad something is rightly. And it's. Different when when you can, you can kinda switched over to what the people did. During the game, right? They had that that the glass in front of them rights of the last. That was the computer hope. Hundred election again. They would never say this face to face. Because now. They got to deal with potential consequences. Were that actions you know? and. One thing I wanted to just throw in here in terms of a story which I'm not even sure. If you remember this happening, but it will the tip toeing the line and you stepped up. In this just actually came to me, so it was when we were playing together we're playing for Cleveland. We had a practice at our practice facility in strong still where I actually wind up training sometimes in the summer because I live in Cleveland now, but yeah, we were just in the lounge one day before practice you and I, in one other guy was sitting on the couch for all talk, and you were actually sitting on the counter where the TV was, and we always watching Nhl highlights and everything Tony. How are you I? You and I are in conversation and again I? Don't know if you remember this, but somebody actually throwing a banana peel at you. And again I don't think you remember that, but immediately right in that moment you you immediately, your attention was each instantly taken away from our conversation and you. You'd stepped up. You spoke up to that guy right away. Hey, man! That's not cool I. Think those were your actual like is exactly what you said. Hey, man, that's not cool. And he instantly stood like like you said he was taken aback. Not Expecting you to do that? He was expecting you to maybe last that it was an okay job in. That to me that you. And I think eventually to him. It's not okay. There's no way that that's okay. That's me is in some ways a lot worse than what the fans were doing. You know because that's kind of his face to face in a sense. do you even remember that now? The mentioned that I do it was will sing that. I'm. Very good kind of the united me and like boom happen. Let go, yeah. Now, he's now, you said do member I do. Know who it was yeah. Oh. Yeah, like like I said there's. There's lines like that to me on. That's not even that's a non-negotiable lake. Of course, that's that's like. You're apologizing or than for me. There's there's a bigger problem and right there. Even at that. Age going back to it. Not so much on the ice or whatever, but the thing like you know. I remember my dad telling me. Telling me talent lady. If he ever heard that I was just kind of went someone do that to me. Enough Myself. It'd probably more. It'd probably be more upset with me more. There'd be more Republicans. Have and I don't WanNa make use of the bad guy, but he just didn't want me to one of those people that. was bullied an adaptive especially when you are smaller and that sort of thing but yeah. That's you know. Fortunately. That's the limit at the same time that will that we live in I would rather have the way. It was back then where people had to do stuff face to face. If you're going to be able. Face to face was also social media, and the one thing would be a bully. There's at the office at School University. You had to face if you did a face to face those at chance. After, maybe so many times song fed up and punched and. Everyone. You know everyone you don't can be tough. They're behind a computer behind the glass, but you have to face to face. It's different than especially with people. If they've taken taken at with face to face one time in. I don't WanNa. Condone obviously any of these school shootings that have happened or something like that, but people can only take so much before they. You know they snap, or they need an outlet and if you don't have the proper outlet. Or someone to talk to even numb to on tour. Things can happen I. Mean I know for me. I did a lot of writing in journals. Just Most mostly just because because. I wouldn't be able to get. Away from me to mentally get over a bad game. Lori a Good Game Rama Ashes Monty have a good been more detrimental to my. success in anything. If I didn't write it down in and get it, 'cause mentally thinking. So much better The maybe I was and I need to. Be Away from you to channel whatever emotions feeling in that game, and and let it go. Prepare for the next one right and. That for me was a lot of. The struggles. Pro Hockey player to at a younger age Mentally was very tough for me, yeah! I think I think. Like you I've seen a lot of coaches again I said I actually. Find myself if this is something that's messed up with me a little bit Just in the. Way I was brought up late. Grab a very stern, please turn household, loving, but stern baby direct very honest, and I've thrived under coaches such as that yeah or like. I need the any kind of my face. Yelling me be very directly. Good job. Bad Job scared of that guy. You take that hit. And Sometimes Mental Madman. This guy's such a jerk on ledge. I need this. I need this this. This helps me helps me a lot. But I'm able as also I'm able to cope with a because of my upbringing my pass. We're seeing some as. Mentally breakdown. Breakdown and they can't. They can't play for that. That coach anymore has. In I think as a coach. It's spot knows it's about being a little bit of a psychologist who and figuring where people are mentally guys. You can push the button. Which would you can? Because I think a lot of coaches say no, it's my aware of the high. We're going to do it this way. Which is fine for someone like myself like that? You can handle that you can process it. But there's a lot of guys that can't do it that way in the ones that can't. They're not only to their skills. diminishing decrease, but had a to want to play hockey you know. Going home isn't the same anymore because. From me, going to make is a fun place in if I was in that state, a guys in that state were they like. Being at the arena, but if they're not having fun and mentally getting, beat up by the coach, they can't handle it. Then all seddon their love, and their joy at the rank is like okay. Why don't have that here in a foreign country? Don't have any of my friends around. So how do I deal with that and even forgot that? Can deal with it. One of my teammates, he's created significant other in the locker room and Will were each other kind of a mental coach. Here in there 'cause you know there tends when when I go through tables, beyond like having him there. Is Awesome because. If I'm going well. He's not Lake I can you? Give my energy to him and mentally pick him up. You know from. What he's feeling and. You know. I can do the same thing. He does the same thing for me. And it can change in how quick changes in Gamache you mentally you're. You're in a bad spot, and then you're spot and You know I think all of us as Hockley. We've gone through it. At some point in. For every. Because native will for me stable at hockey players and things that have gone to. There's billions of good guys. That I've come across that Keep in touch with you. Know you being one of them that? We shot back so much quoted mental stuff together in this motivational stuff where I think that's where my mind is mostly a motivational stuff that had to keep people motivated upbeat You. Know size in the mental health stuff. Yeah, yeah, for sure it's. It's interesting, you know. We were on the phone a little bit earlier. Was it yesterday but actually when I think about it now it's. Had it not been for you. Who knows if I ever would have gone down the path of of working on mental game on the mental training because. Back again when we were playing in two thousand eleven I'll never forget I was I was I might have actually been. We had a team like dinner or thanksgiving, or something like that at the owner's house, and we were driving home after, and I was on the phone with you and you had brought up the book. Mein Jim to me. And just said you kind of bring it around with you everywhere. It was like your your quote, Unquote, Bible and from that moment the first thing I did, I think you know when I got home, was I went and ordered that book where I went to the the Barnes and noble, or whatever bought that book and again. That book was instrumental for me in terms of of my hockey career, and then that that book led to another book which led to another, and before you know it. I I am now able to handle these things that you speak about in terms of coaches of streaming and things like that because now I, have the tools rights to overcome these things in what rakes in about two is you know having that outlet having that person to speak to? You know maybe if you don't have this guy. Guy In the locker room sitting right next. Maybe if he's simply across the locker room. Maybe you guys don't build this type of connection where you can both come to each other with this type of stuff, and now you have the understanding. You guys are going through this together, and it's so much more powerful when you can share with a person where you guys are on the same path, right, you're in, so everything's very similar to one another right, and real quick. I wanted to go back. And, again I had this in my mind I. DIDN'T WANNA? Lose it before we move on, but in terms of speaking up for yourself. Right you had mentioned that it happens over and over and over again and people never do never do, but also understand people. Is that by speaking up for yourself? You do it the first time you're GONNA gain confidence through it so that the next time that's same situation happens because inevitably. It's going to happen again again now. You can look back on your past. Past experience of speaking up and now it's a little bit not as heavy. Maybe you don't care so much about what this other person might think. And then again you're going to do it and you're gonna every time you do. It must now building momentum for yourself, and eventually can have that confidence to speak up really in any situation in your life, right? So as Greg just some incredible insights, your your plan out there and next next thing I wanted to talk about. You know you spoken so much already about about your father. What people don't know is that your father has passed away? And so that's what I would like to jump into an again. How that had an impact on? You sounds like you and your father had an incredible relationship, maybe stern at times, but like you said fun loving on so there may be. There was a good balance right on to where you had. I would imagine you had such high respect for your father Yeah, so you know losing some obviously so close to you. I would imagine certainly played a significant role in your mental state. Yeah Obviously a tough time in my life as my senior year of high school three days before Christmas you cannot have his battling cancer, so you kinda see. Taken taken. Shape and everything like that and This little thing ee start to see guy physically looked up to you. Know the time together on, and then getting you know calls before late 'cause he. He was at home in bad. He didn't want to be in the hospital after all the testing you know. My mom called me to come home because he thought of the bed. Neta you know. Pick up that I looked up to physically and take him up and put him in bed. That stuff was really. Really tough for me. To the point where. That happened enough where? You're almost like are. Nonni from the suffering Let's go. Let's in you. Start wishing for him to pass on. Because you can't I couldn't talk on the same way and these things I didn't WanNa, remember him and the way that he was wrong like. His last moments. but he said like we had agreed relationship growing up very fun loving, but I got the understanding of. hockey's expensive. Work out there, but more importantly have fun, and that's what I try to take with me with now and I think. That was probably the first I guess psychology lesson ever had. was worked hard and have fun and. To me, that was everything. Worked hard and have fun. It's so simple, but. It's always carried with me. but yes, going back to to him. Pass away, It was tough. It was it was really tough. But I think it was handled in a proper manner Assuming at some point, my mom and him had conversations on what would happen because I think you could come. See the writing on the wall. But the ones had will. Give credit to My Mom, a ton of credit was. which I don't know if they'd talked about. Not the. Nothing was nothing essentially changed Hey after vacation I don't WanNa go back to school. It's like Nope, you're right back on the course. By the School League Even to the point where I'm not even sure, they talked to my junior coach time. Who Once I came back it was. Not The is like. If you the same way the same. As. You know what I mean like doesn't change like relate law this I. Remember thinking at the Time Lake. I can't do this a stupid way you know. But I remember at Daschle Funeral. My mom wearing all white because we wanted to the celebrate. Celebrate the life even though. Was Fifty six. It was short. You want to celebrate. The life and I was at a place. Mentally to say to myself. Okay. Eighteen when he passed away. That sucks. That's not fair. Use ended. She Blah Blah. But there's. Handfuls handful building up there either don't get to meet her dad. Don't have. The good relationship that we had You know don't have the connections. Don't have oldest better everything to meet him sitting here. Thinking I had eighteen. Years. Got To know him probably more so more people because of a car rides talk Tournaments the goofing around. is all that kind of stuff that I think. Allowed me to take the AD and. To say. It's okay, you know it's it's. It's okay. I have great memories of him and. I wouldn't change I. Don't get me wrong even now that I'm older it does. It gets a pretty sad sometimes when people have their data games pro loud, and that sort of thing But it's. You know. Come to terms with the life is not stare. and. It'll kind of interesting kind of going back on it 'cause. You Know My might use a coach when I ask. You know obviously very, you know. You know remorseful about The situation stuff like that But he treated me very much the same way and I remember. Set a handful years back. Three years two years back. His Dad passed away. So he's much older now. He's in his forties and. ADDS much older. His Dad passes away go to. The funeral and still very close to them. I remember after we're hanging. We're talking. He said you know I. Don't understand how you. Did what you did at eighteen. And came back and. I still Kinda kept on your the hard way that I did and you. In. East stayed with Eagles because right now. I'm an absolute mess. He was he goes. He goes in your eighteen us. You're just becoming forties now with the family of my own, and I am distraught handling. and. It was kind of interesting. He turned to me was. I, have to give you so much more credit now. For how you handle everything at that age. And plan hockey then going on to finish out the season in unbelievable and enduring since he did with all that. You know that mentally in your head weighing on you and he goes now here. I am just A. Comb family was. I couldn't even give myself. At a bed and and do the same. A father, he's like I. Used to be so much better for doing that and I think that has a lot to do with just. The Way I turned. My Mom. Turned it into. We're not GONNA make. it is sad up at into a sad event. We're GONNA. You know. Honor him by celebrating his memory in the Best thing I think. through me, which makes everything a lot easier is. This stuff that I say or do that might man I sound just like. My Mom, my sister, everyone's like you. Do all these similar things and That's the way I've been able to get get over. That stuff and sometimes it's. Even now it's. Eighteen years later, so it's more. It's still A. It's still very tough like I? Said I see people their. Own. My Dad's in town. The Games in Is is the Beckham. Socks Lake is this summit? Ask you a guy should have. been able to do. With Not It, just the way things going. YOU KNOW I! Try to find a way to. You know tonner him in. Working hard and having fun absolutely. Yeah. I think of get a little emotional I think going back on the team. That was tough. You know you. You think that the world should just stop. For you. And the one thing that I learned is a dozen people be at the white people at the funeral. And, it doesn't stop. People will feel sorry for you, but they have their own less to go on with. Because as they are best friends, or whatever doesn't mean that, don't feel sorry for you, but they have their own problems to go on with. And they will be there. I'm sure if you talk to him, but. You're on your own, but you have to find a way. Sometimes, it's to cope with on your own and and. Being a good place when you're alone because. I think all the distractions around whether you're. Whether at the rank, you're at work or something at school. Sometimes the distractions can help you forget. Or you go to parties, tubby. Forget about were going through, but. Find when you're alone. That's when those thoughts creep into the into your head. Right You know when you're land at bed. You can't sleep and then every every. Sort of you know critter. Couples heads comes to life for some odd reason and. It You gotTA those demons. The Bachelors are sometimes I know I still. Have the extent were a lot of people do but. Everyone's still has her own demons right no matter how. was still going through something so I think if I could say something to anyone is. No Don't dismiss people Just. You don't think that they're going with his answer. It's not as big as you be. Because everyone's got something going on Lice, everyone, everyone's some certain at the huddle trying to get past or over and just to even be. There's to talk like I had with my teammates. I gave him one day. and honestly not one of the talked to all the time, and he's Kinda started talking me about stuff. End opened up mccomb was that bad, you know. I just told them like not hang a caveman like. We all go through stuff and I know you. Have you know your wife or girlfriend here but? if you need someone on the team. I'm here for him because. That's all it takes is chance on with life I think? What the whether you're going through something or you can help someone I think that's huge, just just saying that you can. You! Can you know hey come talk to me if you need so need to like for you I mean I love the sacks. That after you've gone through Recall talking then maybe on lady called me right away and I I can hear in your voice right away and I was like no. But I. Said as much stuff as we shoot back and forth tonight felt I feel very good when someone feels comfortable enough to come to me right to talk about this kind of stuff. Like I said before more of a motivational set of things, but. I think. I can give pretty good insight and help for sure I also know that sometimes the way I come at at, it's more direct in sometimes people. Don't like that to tiptoe around the issues, but. Everyone's different use could find what works for some people yes, yeah, for sure Going back to what you had mentioned. You know everybody at some point. Throughout their day. They got come home right in there. They're going to be alone. And so we don't always. Have you know it's bedtime gotta be alone. Some people can't fall asleep within two minutes at some people takes thirty minutes. Some people take an hour. and you're not on your phone as your eyes are close right, so you're you're you're in your mind? And all the stuff that you had been distracting yourself from throughout the day whether it'd be working out or work calling somebody or strolling on instagram? Whatever the case is, that's it's all different forms of suppression of dealing with that stuff right, but it man I'm just Just, listening to how you speak about your father is just like for any parents out there that might be listening to this like your father man like what an incredible human to set you up with the tools it's. It's probably your father's. What's the word I'm looking for? You could probably contribute contribute. It's to your father. The fact that you were able to get through. You know his passing. You know and still eighteen years later still be doing good. Of course you get sat at times right around. Imagine around Christmas time. You know like you said you. You had such an incredible relationship. Relationship with him, then he passed before you even went to college for you sign. I would imagine it would have been something that you would have been so proud of to have your father in the stands you know, but man lake. It's interesting I. was just I just finished? Reading? A book called the art of living this book. It talks about how. Even though our parents may may pass away or our kids or our brothers and sisters. They're still very much with us. So when you talk about your mom or your sister mentioning that Oh man, you sound just like just like data. You sound just like your father. It's because he's still with you. You know in in how you smile in how you're able to have this. This conversation you know and that is just so beautiful and manage just like it's. It's like it's inspiring me. Because I myself I'm a father and I'm trying to my kids a lot younger, four six years old, but I'm already at this point even though I'm not currently with them. I'm still trying to plant the seeds and actually just yesterday I was on the phone with. With my daughter Harper and my son national had hit her and she was upset and so I tried going through. Just a quick little breathing exercises like a baby WANNA. Know what I do and I get angry. Sometimes I, just I. This focus on my breathing all she didn't WanNa. Do it right then. It's still in her mind. And when I get home, I'll practice those things so why I'm saying that because I'm trying to. Incorporate these types of tools for my daughter and son to to learn so that when they get later in life, and they go through difficult times now. They have some tools to overcome these things, so it sounds like that's exactly what your father bit right as yet just going on about your daughter there, so mine was flagged angry. Because I used to work with my dad a lot. Especially as as a young kid, mum, even at that age I was trying to. Mimic his doing plus I do push ups. So is the same thing like when I got. Upset at those times You'd say some push-ups. But I'm you know? And it's it wasn't like. Do Push ups. You got to work out it was it was just took your mind off everything. With energy doing these things. And said of folks on the actual, the actual problem right and. It was very good with me to like. Just re Satin folks on? How do You know what I mean. Could I do go home? And that sort of thing, so I think you know passing to realize. What we say. Or say what you do. You think that they don't notice kids. Not The pickup. These things I think he said something on your. Today today about you know. About your son, but ranch on his eggs. You keep I wouldn't have done that, but you let him kind of find out for himself like what he likes rights that. We don't do this in our house, but. What they like but he default method site. You don't maybe. Catch up too because. That's all we must be good. I think are huge in how we. I'd say. Most kids will follow the path of. How their parents treat them or had ethic. subconsciously, pick up these things. These traits and He's work habits and. And Easter things in. In like the mental toughness stuff we. We we give these things to the youth and other people by our actions by how we treat people. I recall one time with my dad. I might have been. It'd be nine at the time and we're doing push ups with their feet on the stairs. Elect elevated ones and. He. He chose to do some that I was like okay, whatever and then he kept giving me this. Is doing pretty good I. Don't know how to use all right. Do five more. Obama five more by morning, the as really barely getting one more one more like more. Like shaved is like got whatever. collapsed. In tears crying, he's going on nobody I couldn't do one more rats. You know, but I think at that point. Without Him, knowing it. Because, you know it was something at long way that meant to prepared me to be able to. Give a little bit more. the physical aspect of things like. Always. Give a little bit more. There's always a little bit more in the tank if the athletes out there I think. Usually your mind up before your body will, and if you can get past mental hurdle of. Over doing these suicide today we love doing these laps. Every time now what we're doing here. Guys complaining for slide. Man Like this is not the evidence. That was like ten years old. You know 'cause mental and build up that strategy like hey. I've done this before. I'm not going to die from doing this right. BEEN HIT, before! Let's get through on the days. We don't feel like you're not in the mood. Let's just battle through and I think that's we you build. Mental Strength Up to typically down to get through other little things in your life. And and it's a mad at this is so perfect with all literally all of the things that you've been speaking about this born with right. All of this stuff happens you along your journey. All these things happen to you. The you know the passing of your father. The racial discrimination things that have gone on so that's so that's right in line with how I view mental health. It's not necessarily things that were born with, but things that happen to. To us that have impacts on our on our mental states, in while Greg here had incredible tools to overcome these situations in experiences. There's many people out there that don't and so these same types of situations that Greg went through what have a much larger impact, not the din have an impact on Greg but again he had those tools right, but there again. There are so many people that don't have those tools, so you could certainly understand how. This type of stuff like the passing of a father that that's that's a catastrophic event at trauma rights, and if it happens at a younger age of say, five years old, we don't even understand that we have healing to do, but that energy the the impacts on our mind is going to stay with us for many many years, and it's GonNa. Come up at random times in life so buddy I unless you have more to say I that was incredible. Some of this stuff. We've never even spoken about so right here. You know I learned so much more about and I've gained another level of respect for you, and again like I mentioned the other day I believe our friendship or Brotherhood is gonNA grow from this this one one. Our conversation like I said that that could be at an again if you want to say more or lead the people with anything, motivational or any et style. Go go right ahead. Category said, Ledge. We've talked so much over the whatever ten years of known each other about everything you know, there's so many things that I could keep on Tyson upon but I think one of the things just going back. For the. Good stuff mentally a lot of kind of talk more about the thing Bagel overcome. Because the mental stuff lake, there were Kinda easier for felt easier for me. There are things like academically. You know where I wasn't very good, especially academics. the special education stuff That had to go through, and and my reading skills to power all the time, and my spelling and I really had a lake try to dig deep in that stuff was terrible for form especially in junior kin- reader for the class, and you're not very comfortable. Reading in those things plagued me. Through. Middle School and high school and I don't know what what change like I hated. Reading in front of people hated You know public speaking in front of people in the sort of thing and the funny thing is is that? All of that Kinda changed when one of the teachers in high school was able to tell me listen. You you WANNA. Be This this hockey star on Mike. And away was broken the news like. You better get caught. Doing this at this is what you really want, because in a have to have to. This Day because. I still see her in. It's funny how she was able to get me to like really. Folks in impress feel comfortable doing these things because. They need those commercials to read the scripts when you have to do this interview as I was like. Okay and that was my. That was the way that she was able to. Kinda trick my my mental minds in thinking. Okay, this after practice because he wanted to get good at because of. All someday. And the things I have to I. ASK DO To be proficient at. overcome. that. you know I can't really pinpoint all of them. You know what I mean. Think about this But there are still so many weaknesses probably have mostly I. don't even know about for instance relationship wise united inlays I. Mentally can't get her love. Being like I, want to be as one person idolize in the settlement down like that You know I don't know why, but you know I believe it goes back to you. Know with my father in Costa people and then stuff happening to them now. That's my belief myself in in. That's where I struggle mentally like. was heard from. All, you'll nice, but there's something missing Wallow, he's still at this blockage of you know things, and that's really tried to work on, and it's one of those things where. As, much I try to knocked out those walls at some that. I can't do from I. I can't do it consistently enough where. It's where it's an open door and it'll come on in everybody. But I recognize that myself and. Try to to to change that and mentally overcome the that that blockage there But. You know. We work on it and each will get better each day and for anyone else out there. Listen I just like to say. Let's not going even though you may think you're going through stuff, alone, You're not. Everyone's got something going on and. You know find some that you trust. Maybe somebody that you don't even know that well. sometimes changes can be the can be your best friend and in everyone. You know is able to overcome and find someone that they can help out if you're against yourself. Help someone else out. for role human here in the. In I. Don't make you say you don't know where you would be. Feeding met me and I don't know I haven't met you. Because you know from the last less handful years. talked a lot. About motivation and mental health and stuff like that and. Now I'm getting older I took. The younger players on my team. All these kind of these things in not understand when the coach yelling at you. It's not personal mitts you have. You have to do these things because what he does. The same thing I got yelled at four when I was playing In had mentally not go on the deep end. Like doesn't like me has nothing to do with your it's. You know trying to get the best player that you are. If you can get past that hurdle immensely, say to yourself okay. I'm he's. Saying. It's me this way because he treated to. He's tried to be softened me. Try to been hey, so he's trying to figure out what sometimes to say. get the message across right. Yeah Motivational. Just. Have Fun. Go to. Already brother again, thank you so much for coming on truly truly grateful for this experience into. Have you and I? Know for sure with all with all that you share that there's going to be many people out there. That are going. Find potentially some similarities in their own pather, their own story and potentially greg now. You've been the key to unlock them, so you know maybe go down their own pathak healing from from again things that happen to us. Anyhow Buddy. Thank you so much for joining me on episode number seven of the R. A. V. With J. L. and raw authentic invulnerable on again. Don't for anybody listen. Don't don't hesitate Lieber Review and again it gives you more access to all of my content across the sports apron in your platform. Already. My Man will buddy again. It was it was great. Having you and I look forward to the next one. TV.

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Ep. 228: The Park Avenue Face with Dr. Andrew Jacono (Replay)

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Ep. 228: The Park Avenue Face with Dr. Andrew Jacono (Replay)

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Fat Mascara there you are Jessica Matlin making very funny face that me I don't know I feel like our taff it's not like. It's not ideal right now. I okay let's get. Yeah already. Yeah not. Home Studio like a really nice one can somebody sponsor us and? Redo our houses and put home studios in because it seems like we're not GonNa be going to the studio and you know now I can't believe it's the end of the summer, and here we are still remote but still going, and I think we've had a really good summer. All things considered at least infamous cower whereas fatness Fatma's scour were house. Me Too. I am so excited that we got to connect with everybody even more. They have more listeners on the show like hearing their voices great guests twice. So we and I'm loving all of the nice notes and voice memos and e mails you guys have been sending. So we do not. We do read them and I feel like we've gotten closer. To and I know you guys are sick of US complaining about summer. So the good news is it's over we are entering the next season and for that reason actually meant to tell you last week. But here we are we decided this week to do like a little refresh to recenter ourselves. So we don't have new interviews or new content this week other than our introductions and raise the ones at the end of both the Tuesday and Thursday episode. So we're just giving ourself a breather to get in place for our fall season with all of our new guests and lots of fun stuff. We running two episodes. So Today Jessica. Pick like an Oldie but a goodie and we didn't tell each other what we were picking. But today we like showed our hands. So I picked Dr Andrew Chicano author of the Park Avenue face this was from last April I believe yes April Twenty nineteen just a million years ago I. Love this conversation. So much I think if I believe he Was the first test surgeon we ever had, and the reason I brought him in I remember. So excited as soon as I met him at harpers bizarre I'd never met him before he harper's bazaar to promote his book. As soon as he left I remember texting Jim Ding like we have to have this guy on, we have an open plan or we had. An open plan environment at bizarre I was like screaming inappropriately with laughter when he came to the office, I will not repeat some of the things he said, but he gave me really good dirt on like you know like like some kind of like read between the lines kind of jokes about celebrities what people do to the faces he just had like a really kind of Just. Like Oh, no filter kind of also this great discretion about the way he spoke to I just felt like this was like this is the kind of guy you want to be seated next to at a dinner but he also had amazing real world advice about plastic surgery I, felt like He. was very actually conservative about filler very conservative about plastic surgery. He talked about white plastic surgery is like dating, which have to listen if you want to know why he also really into. Subtlety, he thinks a lot of people very overdone. He talked about by people look like snapchat filters and even if you plastic surgery is never you might be thinking listen Jessica Gem, I'm not getting plastic surgery. I don't have tens of thousand dollars throw around. Why do I need to listen to somebody who has a book called the Park Avenue Face? That is not my lifestyle he's just. Really engaging to listen to and he has great perspective about the culture that we live in, which is so much about looks looks looks. So just give it a listen I. Think is a wonderful charming guy. Also, he's a wonderful guy to he does a lot of charity work. So hang on buckle up, hang out with Dr Jacoby no and meet US afterwards and we'll, raise the wand. All right can you believe that we've never had a plastic surgeon on Fat Mascara? I mean that is crazy. I can't believe it. I, am a CO host of. One hundred fifty plus episodes. We've never had a surgeon, but we decided to go straight to the top for our first one. We have Dr, Andrew Chicano, MD DOT FA CS right. That's. More title, I just looked at the book. And you're in New York City board certified plastic surgeon and I mentioned the book you also the author of one of my favorite beauty books ever the Park Avenue face which just which just came out this month. Actually yesterday. Launched. Yeah it's pretty exciting. It's a big. It's a big day. It's a big week. Well, okay. So we've had a lot of germs on the show sure and we've never how does it mention a plastic surgeon so outside of like a hideous disaster where if someone's concerned about their facial appearance, sure when should they see a plastic surgeon as opposed to a dermatologist? Well I. Think you. The truth is, is that Surgery I think lots of times begins where dermatology ends. Because dermatologists do a fantastic job, you know they do a lot of. Techniques and treatments to enhance your face. You know they do things for your skin can laser resurfacing to do facial tightening devices they do injectable treatments, go toxin fillers they can keep us looking great for a long time plastic surgeons do those treatments but I think that plastic surgeons who will train a dermatologist who train both do a great job at those things. But the problem is obviously the certain things. You can't do just a needle or nonsurgical treatment obviously some of those things the dermatologist but never see things like a rhino. Or somebody has you know a small reach in you know you have bags under your eyes is only so much. You can do with treatments. So there are reasons why people seek out plastic surgery, but as we get older and this is a lot about well, my book is about is to educate people not just about the nonsurgical treatments that both plastic surgery dermatology do. But how do you make sure that you're doing the right things for yourself not overdoing it and when you really start thinking about doing something that's a little. Bit more aggressive. So you mention like you know when he started doing things that are more aggressive. Sure. I think a lot of people you know even some of our listeners and we have we have a wide Adrian of listeners but maybe thinking plastic surgery and this is this is not for me. This is like for Mucho later in life for this I don't want like a nose job or something, but they're thinking about like rejuvenation or they might think plastic surgery like little bit dated reference. But like Joan rivers aiming towards who? Joan. It's what folks fear. He's a plastic surgery is synonymous with you know your least favorite looking celebrity. Everybody can think of a time where they watched like the Oscars or or an award show where a celebrity came out looking like they had done something they look like themselves anymore or they look very sculpted artificial tight or their faces looks distorted scary. And that's that's one of the reasons why I wrote the book because. The book is called the Park Avenue face and it's like why? What's the park game you face? Just interview yourself here. What is the? Thought a lot about this book in his reasons why I wrote it, but the thing is, is that The reason, the number one reason why I wrote this book is for the reason we just discussing because people say to themselves you know maybe I'm looking to do something term hands my appearance. But if all those celebrities you know old people from Hollywood people with money and access who can get the best care don't look normal. As an average person out there what chance do I have? So why would I go about the even going on this journey because they don't WanNa, look weird I was like myself I want to look at him I want to enhance my appearance, but I don't want to trade enhancing appearance for looking Waco plastic surgery victim. So the Park Avenue face is something that I deal with all the time because I practice on Park Avenue but because my clients especially those from New York, they prefer different aesthetic and what I mean is that they want to look like themselves they wanna look like themselves but a better version so that's The Park Avenue faces it. Kind of is yeah because what I call I, see this dichotomy I see what I call the East Coast Aesthetic and the East Coast Aesthetic is somebody who wants to maintain their personal signature. They want people to see them and not say what happened. They want somebody look at them and say Oh my God you look amazing. What are you doing? You know did you change your hair? Your skin care regimen must be better. You lost weight you're exercising your life is good. You look vibrant that's the Park Avenue face that is the east coast, the West Coast the Sediq is the overfilled cheeks. It's the overly scooped out Nelson. Gang. Paying there are people in the West Coast surgeons who do east coast work but it's synonymous with the West Coast because we see you know many celebrities. On instagram, we see Bela celebrities, we see celebrities and they're in our face there in our media and that's what makes people afraid. So unfortunately, the West Coast Sediq whether it's created by doctors or requested by those people from the West Coast. Is the thing that people want to avoid. Right so it's not that our our our west coast listeners want to look bad. It's more of this like this Hollywood overdone kind of it is it's an aesthetic and you when you go to La Anybody's been la I'm sure you're as la you kind of walk the streets and you walk around and like people start to look like they're related. Because they have the same over inflated Cheeks Lips Look the same. Their nose looks the same everything looks the same same same. So I, think there's an archetype that may be considered to be attractive in in some fashion Obviously, it is because people get a lot of attention for looking that way. So, there are a lot of instagram models who get you know they've tens of millions of followers and bazillions of likes, and they have brands and all the stuff, but they all look like each other. Down the kind of do because if you can build that face in that body, then you get more attention from people. So it's something that some people aspire to but my park avenue patients don't aspire to that look. So. What I do in this book is I defined this aesthetic, and again I want to be very clear is that I have plenty of my colleagues who I respect on the West Coast who do quote Unquote East Coast work so it's not that doctors only in New York on Park Avenue can create the east coast aesthetic. It said you have to be very clear what you want and you need to make sure you seek out doctors who could create that kind of outcome. For you. So what I do in the buck is, is I go throughout the whole face whether it'd be your skin whether it be nonsurgical treatments whether it be rejuvenating. Your is you know your face, your nose, whatever it is and talk about East Coast approaches. So all the things that create more of a normal look even though can be surgical. There are techniques and approaches that are more subdued than there are ones that are a little bit more west. Coast e let's call. So, if you're a west coast, you can use this book to try to figure out the west coast he kind of procedures and seek them out. But what I do is I let the reader know because it's hard to know this as a person. Yeah we were going to ask you this later I think now is a good time. Say You are considering surgery and we'll get into when you should be your wife might be like, where's the first place you other than reading your book like where do you even star? That's the problem because there's so much information out there. Right. So what people do is that you know we all think we're like super researchers. Literally just talking about that and. We're experts on everything exactly because all I need is my owning Google and like. A plastic surgeon. Need is coupon Google machine. I. Need a good. Twelve hours research and I'll be able to figure out the truth. Certain winds up happening is is that there's lots of conflicting messages out there. So unfortunately, you can get a lot of information but depending upon the source, you may be getting a mixed messages. So that's why I wrote this book because I have so many patients who come in with all those mixed messages and they're trying to figure out which I deserve but obviously save that you kind of have to be a private investigator. What do people want you to do just piggyback off your quest of what you just said. Do People ever come in your office and they said I want this or I'm sure that I don't need this like what what are people telling you that you have to kind of back them off the ledge well, yeah I mean people have their own preconceived notions and that's when you have to educate them, and that's where that's why I spent a lot of time studying and doing what I do so some people come in and They, say I WANNA lift whatever this is, for example, and then they sought to tell you what they want to achieve and you're like, no you don't want to lift. You don't want surgery at all. This would be a much better option for you. So people think that they figured it all out. Sometimes you have to reeducate them, and sometimes you have to save people for themselves because unfortunately you know our industry since it's it's elective. Is No perfect diagnosis, right? So if you have you know. If you have a gallbladder that needs to come out. It's pretty obvious. They scan the Goldblatt is not good. You gotta take it out with US sometimes doctors more ready to just execute what people want even if they're not necessarily a good candidate. Because the patient requests it. So you know I talk more people out of surgery some days than discuss a surgical possibility for them. Because the fact that I realize where it's going and once you educate people people smart, would you give them the information explain to them what this will do how it may not work with their face if it doesn't work with their face because it's not balanced, it'll exaggerate their features were maybe it's just not the right approach and you give them options. You know there are non surgical options are invasive options. Some things. Do this do that? Once you show people pictures of it. This is what I do I show you pictures of this procedure when it does what that procedure would. It does this non-surgical thing and then when you put that in front of people and use some digital morphing of their own pictures, they kinda come around they go yet. You know you're right. I don't like that I like this better. And then you can really help them achieve their goals and it's always best to do it in the least invasive way, and do you want people to go around and we always say like get a second opinion do your research like wellpoint is too many opinions too many opinions because they they come to you then go to another doctor another and all of a sudden they're like. Guinea to do that because as you. How many yeah. I think that you should have four quality concepts. For. Consultation in my office, you do some do them for what I do is I charge people consultation fee but if they do go ahead with any treatment whether it's not surgical surgical applied towards. Product. Whatever just so that the patient doesn't feel like they're losing something for the cost of the proceeds cost of the consultation. But you know some doctors do none you know they don't charge for concerts. But the reason why is is that it's sort of like dating. It's not just about getting the right information you have chemistry with your surgeon. Really starting a partnership. That's interesting. Well, it's true because you need to really trust that individual not just their skill, their ability. But when you have questions and you're stressed if you had a procedure, you need to feel comfortable enough to voice your opinions and feel like you can actually you know go to that person and be able to get answers you need. So if you're in the office and you're talking to them and they're giving you like you're getting a bad vibe, is it okay to say no. Absolutely so in my the bug, I do go over a chapter where how it's best to select a plastic surgeon, and that's one of the say is, and this is one of the big like subheadings within that chapter is to trust your got because I think all of us have had experience in our life have nothing to do with plastic surgery where we wanted to go in one direction but something inside of US said, don't do it and then we kind of did it anyway because we just want so much to do it haircuts. And then what happens is that afterwards in hindsight we go. You know what? I knew this wasn't going to be the right thing i. just had a sense about it. They didn't listen. Gosh getting chills yes. Yes. So but that is definitely one of the key things that I think that people need to do do your research, get together your information, but you really need to have a certain amount of residents would somebody. So one of the things that you talk about in your book that I just think is so interesting is something called filler fatigue. What is filler fatigue? Claw it just. Talk AB-. Water. So yeah. It kind of has the story is this. As we get older I. Think Everybody's experiences You know we don't want to anything that's major, but there's always great little needles can help us look better and commonplaces for people to get fillers. Shadows under there is cheeks get a little deflated we get. So smile lines, marionette lines often called. That's a great name. Yeah about the doctor term nasal labial full like what? Is a Hula. But you know get groups folds and that's things start to loosen. These kind of cavities than shadows interface that are very harsh with lighting we try to camouflage makeup but when we started to progress unfortunately, usually start somewhere and you mid to late thirties and it just gets worse after that helps to everybody people start doing phillies phillies a great because what they do is is it's kind of like spackle. She got some cracks she got some dense she spackle them closed where you put in there and it smooths things out. It looks really great. But the problem is is as we continue to age we require more and more filler to get the same bang for our buck. So you go and you get a little feller when you're a little bit younger, it really pays dividends but as you continue to age the same elephant doesn't really get you what you want and then as you start to add more and more filler two things happened one is face talks a look bigger. So a lot of filler interface. It starts to make your face look around wide and it starts to distort your appearance. You know always you know I kind of say this, and then it shouldn't say this but I will anyway because you guys little joy. When people have too much filler in their face they start to look like the real house of real housewives of wherever you don't these women. A of times of these TV shows they have that kind of look where they'd tap into plastic surgery but they just look weird. Worked on on the reunion show. Yeah. So what happens is that you start eating more and more, and then you start to lose a lot of your facial identity characteristics. Face looks just asymmetric in a weird way even though things aren't falling things are inflated but the problem with that is, is that not only don't you look great you kind of look like somebody who's older trying to look younger and that happened you know. And I'll dare go out there and lie. But you know people like Lindsey, Lohan who probably engaged fillers at a very young age was looking much older than her years even in her twenties said, do you think that it's to start younger I mean I won't even talk about the preventative both tax thing right now because I love preventative talks I think fantastic I think it works wonderfully. Put for fillers. Thank you because we do get a lot of differing opinions on that but for. fillers. If you start early liquid, say like you know I'm a Lindsey allegedly may have or someone like her younger is something that when you're older, you've kind of like the opposite of preventative you of messed up your face. Will does because if you I the thing if fillers are done when when when it's necessary 'cause you could be young and require fillers because some people their faces kind of a little prematurely or they get a little hollowed out a little bit early. So using filler when diagnosed correctly, I, don't think it's a problem. The problem is is when you start to add too much stretch the tissues out. So this is this thing in the body it's called village a creep it's kind of weird. Yeah so he It is a little bit creepy So what happens is that as we start to fill the tissues of our body, it stretches them out. That's a characteristic and plastic surgery that we use where we're doing things like breast reconstruction like if a woman has breast cancer, they put a balloon of this blows it up so that you can create more skin to put an implant and suppress was taken away and this called something expanders. Filler acts like that. Yes, it does. So when you played the tissues, you're stretching the skin out just like gaining weight or being pregnant. So when you gain a lot of weight, you stretch the skin out and then when you lose it the skin sex more people like floppy lips once they're filler, what happens is Olympic get stretched out things over the upper teeth. So people to which filler into lip it goes away now they stretched it out it hangs more. So people have too much filler in their cheeks Philip dissipates their face sags more but then they see it sagging and in the natural response is to go get more filler because the concern is as I don't want surgery. But I don't want to live with my face looking droopy. So they continue to put more and more filler. So what they're doing is they're stretching other tissues at a more rapid rate than as that if they did anything at all psycho. Tawny. I do a ton of people's face-lifts in their mid forties to late forties dot because they look so old, but because they've been engaging fillers excessively for too long. So now they have no option but to do something like a mini facelift at a younger age whereas if they didn't do anything as aggressive, not fillers at all fillers, a good tools, all these things, select tools and youtube belt. Is Very Cliche to say but too much of a good thing is not good for you everything in moderation doctors who are going to have your back and do things appropriately at the right time versus people who are out there who are profiteering lots of Med spas and places who don't have good medical supervision by good dermatologists plastic surgeons will be more than happy to empty more vows a filler into your face because they make more rain because you pay prevail, get you to do six miles. I made six times the amount of money than if I just put one violent. That you know he's calling the West Coast Aesthetic Nicey people here in. New York that you know like just like you said the West Coast doctors. Are. New. York. Gear East Coast the Newark Newark area as he plenty of girls with the big cheeks. Chin that's a look. I agree and I don't think that it's pretty I think it's archetypal and it looks it looks like a snapchat filter. Guys. 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I've done plenty of people in their mid to late thirties who have over gauged fillers that he very it's usually because of that not because they were Aggie at that age. Wow people don't say that as routinely. But if you've been doing fillers from your mid twenty s eve like cheekbones and you just wanted higher cheekbones and you just kind of went for, you went to forward a little too much for too many years. If you saw that twenty-five by the time, you're thirty five, all that filler strategies out it weighs your face down fillers have wait they don't defy gravity they strapping waits on your face. Over a decade. But again, here's the thing. Using, the right amounts and doing at the right time for the right reasons we'll protect you doing excessively and doing too much quickly will cause problems. So it's time not me maybe Philip Fatigue or maybe because you've done your work and your homework in you've consulted and you're really ready for say some type of facelifts what can people expect these days because I think we all think like Oh, my God you're GonNa be bloody and gross in swollen for eight weeks in you're GONNA have scars behind your ears and everybody's GonNa to know what what does it entail these days Yeah. So that's definitely true for older style approaches to face lifting which a lot of services still do. So people do wind up and I do lots of revision work with large long incisions that are hard to hide, and then people will take forever to recover. So then they're they're a newer techniques. So the techniques we use today, they usually use an incision that's much more hidden. It's literally about one third or seventy. Seventy percent lesson shorter in length in a traditional face the decision we have better technology. It goes inside this little thing called the traits. So in front of our ear canal, this little piece of cards pokes out the some people get their trade gets. So you make an incision inside that thing not on the outside. So the incisions hidden, it goes around the year low of onto the back of the year. So it's like this weird pigeon s kind of shape. So you can't see it and we go down with telescopes and we don't do as I don't go under the skin layer I, go straight from the incision under the muscle layer. The reason why is if you're under the skin and you lift them, what happens is very tighter polled you go onto the deep layer faces is called a deep plane facelift. makes. The Last time you did this I did two of them today like a couple of hours ago you digging around someone's head. Out Dig. I. Never did. I. Gently separate the tissues and lift them sounds more invasive than say this old technique is. Take to heal. So this is funny so Somebody out here just did have a facelift on somebody her she's the she she put on story on Instagram. She's called the eyebrow Dr Ed she chronicled her recovery over one week after week she was back at work with essentially no bruising swelling. What I this technique it would does is it doesn't disrupt the blood supply to the face. So the face heels very quickly what often do is is we use what's called hyperbaric oxygen. With a couple hyperbaric oxygen chambers, it sounds kind of futuristic Michael Jackson? Yes. He's the sleep in one in his home in years ago cold it's not cold at all. It's just you sit in it's like a big silicon tube that's clear glass. So it's not like being an MRI. It's big. You can see through it they do is they put oxygen or high pressure which makes the bruising swelling in the healing happened at three times the rate of you do your surgery within one of those. Before and add the mealy after the surgery get hyperbaric oxygen therapy treatments I'm not really. Better than any patch ever. Do that to this is article on steroids? Okay. So I have tons and tons and tons of patients who don't have time to recover their on television. There's celebrities or models. They're people who are veterans. Of course, we have delays or people. Nobody, wants to acknowledge the fact sees the. Celebrities who look unbelievable who will remain nameless and you to see them you just like you just smile from ear because you like they just look amazing. Those people have had work. How can you tell their people in their late forties early fifties who are conic just like they don't age they're not aging because they've had help. Okay Jennifer Lopez. Have commented in a single celebrity. Let's let's set the record straight. I want them coming for your license because people need there. But. Can you tell watching those people walk by because you're an expert? Can I? They've had the work done I. mean if I was in their presence, I absolutely could, but you have to understand something a lot of the images we see of those people. There's very few of those images that retouched Social Media and you look at what's being put out there. It's been face to like everybody. Else's Eyeso- I have to say feel really happy that you said the thing about like you know if you see someone who looks amazingly blow away in their late forty s plus. Maybe even before. I think we all think you know it's it's Avocados and Diet and yet so. Alcohol it what I call it horseshoe. The thing is, is that everybody and I? It's interesting. I actually instruct my patients because everybody has fear that people are going to find out. If you don't have any stigma out of surgery and you don't look weird or pulled over. People just look at you like confused because when you walk into work after a great procedure and you look seamless and you look youthful people expressed subscribe to you know Oh my God. You had a great vacation and if they dig further people see what are you doing you skin looks amazing. I tell people to say things like you know what I'm on a super I'm on this antioxidant diet. Using. So eating this myth though that we all feel inferior because age Jennifer Aniston, but here's the good. Fortunately, we live in a very judgmental society and unfortunately revealing that you've had surgery even though it may not look like plastic surgery could be very detrimental to people that can affect their careers. It affects the personal relationships I have to tell you that I have people who their best friends they've lost best friends they don't talk to. Their family members anymore because people have very strong judgments about plastic surgery. So even if you look normal, it can really disrupt people's lives. Can you talk a little bit more about that that we weren't going to ask you about that but I'm I'm really curious 'cause I know you're you're seeing you're seeing is that clients patients who are in probably a world where this is not crazy because you are the top of the the car. The thing is people don't like people. This is this is something I say all the time. Our friends and our family member and the people that are confidence want us to be okay. But they don't want us to be great. And I'm not you know and it's unfortunate but it's human nature. I don't think that people are evil but it's very hard for people when they see other people around them that their their peers that are excelling there excelling in the fitness of the accelerator appearance, etc. Excelling in their financial aspects of their life, people don't like out lawyers people want. It makes us feel inferior. It makes us feel uncomfortable. So if you give people the understanding of why that's the case and if it's related to plastic surgery, people love out people. Oh, you know Janey looks fantastic. The reason why is because you kind of got him facelift you know and then Don't I look good and there are some people who have bravado and have that personal power to do that. But there are a lot of people who will unfortunately feel very very violated law and feel very sad and then really unfortunately will even like wish they never told anybody that they had done and in the face of looking fantastic normal natural a beautiful. So my suggestion is to most people is. that. It's better something that you keep to yourself because I've seen how can really affect people in a very negative way now not the way they look obviously but the way that other people deal with that information and it said that it is that way but that has been my experience and I have done literally over three thousand facelifts. So I've been down this road with so many people. So you see. Patterns of behavior. So for me, it's kind of silly just like I talk people out of surgery you know it would be really beneficial for me to tell everybody to scream from the hills that I did their surgery. But I I usually tell patients that you know unless they have a strong opinion about it that they should see how things were going and kind of keep a close to their chest advocacy. The spouse will now they have a spouse right often but I gotta tell you I don plenty of plastic surgeries on women who don't tell their husbands and I've done surgery on physicians wives, and they wait for their husbands to go away to a medical convention for a week or two their husbands come back often surgeons and they don't tell him. Surgery another plastic surgeons wife many. Things a lot of the plastic surgeons bring me their wives because they want me to do this to wipe surgery because I'm a specialist and face lifting. But then other ones they don't they don't want their husband to do it. So then I do it. But by the time, you ever done a husband whose wife is a plastic surgeon. I've done one. So, that was that was a because she didn't want to operate on her husband. No, it's she actually brought me. She brought me her husband. So I have a really funny story. So here's this. This is really cute. So I was lecturing in Singapore on at a meeting teaching facelift and amid a plastic surgeon from Germany and he says, you know he saw me do a live surgery in this stuff. He says, you know, I want you to do my wife's face. Love. So he brought his wife to have me to her face left. This is probably about two months ago and I did a facelift and he Scrubbed for the surgery which I do all the time I have no problems with another plastic surgeon watching me do the procedure and assisting me you know they just you know hold things while I'm working wife's facelift and she looked literally like twenty years younger right there. She was in her early fifty s he was in his late fifties and she was wheeled out he walked up in, pulled me aside and said, she looks amazing. She's gorgeous. He goes I want mine tomorrow. So the next morning I came in at four thirty in the morning I put him before everybody else I did his face lift and then they left at a week they got their hyperbaric oxygen treatments. They look stunning and we needed to fill out paperwork for them because in the EU they have facial recognition and even though they look like themselves they. Arguably. Look twenty years younger. So I had to get some extra paperwork filled out so they can cook they were concerned that if we're going to be held at the border, not gonna be able to go back in because they didn't look you know look like, how could you be a fifty eight year? Old Man you look like you're thirty eight years old. Impossible it right there. It's pretty funny. I have a million stories like that. Second Book, which is all you're finding story. But I think I'm going to write the closer to the end of my career. So okay I, talked about a lot of your patients have you ever turned away some piece? Every day and is because they want crazy. You know overly filled everything. Well there's different reasons. One of the Dublin reasons why turn people away is because they're not at a good phase in their life to think about plastic surgery so. People logically. Yes. Okay. So and it doesn't mean they're cuckoo or it means is that lots of times people are going through big changes in their life they want to get. Done because they think it's going to improve the situation they're in. So often people whose job or they feel like they're aging in their career has been affected. They want to run in and get a facelift or if somebody you know unfortunately is in the middle of a divorce you know they they. So they're not. They don't have the emotional preparedness to be able to engage. It's a very stressful time and people make a lot of very snap judgments during those times than probably. Shouldn't have. All these things. Though it's like people do often when I break up they first thing to get a haircut. I'm GonNa but this is the thing is not a haircut. The hair doesn't grow back. So you know making those kinds of snap judgments and decisions during time of emotional turmoil is usually the person's best interest. So I'll tell people that and I will turn the Moi that's one of the most common reasons but other than that it's has to do with not being the right time with the right procedure. So just because somebody wants something doesn't mean they should have happen. So somebody WHO's coming in for a face lift prematurely doing surgery before it's necessary doing anything when it's unnecessary will make things look natural. So doing a face lift on somebody who really doesn't have eight to treat can do nothing but make them look distorted. Interview is turning into why not to go to Dr go because my next question sort of along those lines how do we stay out of your office? Then like how do we stay looking young if we don't want to get surgery till later or get injectables to later well. or at all I mean thing to do any of this, which is a lot of people. Well, of course, it is. Well, the first thing is is that you know I this is fortunate truth here we could all save you. Let's all feel comfortable with our aging appearance and just like you know embrace it, you know be joyful about your aging and it is a privilege, right? That everybody lives forever. You know I'm you know I'm getting to be a little bit older. Now what I find is that there's so many people that I went to college with my Frat brothers I went to med school with where they were contemporaries who aren't here anymore. So it is a gift to be able to age, but that doesn't mean we want. To look older unfortunately, we're in a very high pressure situation. Now because we have these high resolution digital cameras, we don't we look like all the time or images get over social media. You know I just had a book launch party at number on Tuesday and you know we had a photographer there. He saw some very unflattering pictures from my profile with my. Citing, absolutely. I'm like Oh my God I need a neck lift pasta. Because my head was down of assigning a book and I'm like, Oh my God it's like I'm a plastic surgeon that can be walking around like this but we are very hyper aware of our appearance and it is hard to age today than it was thirty years ago. But what can you go ahead? Please sorry I it is hard to age I was thinking about asking this vote was like maybe this is just me like with a leading question projecting. So you feel like I don't know what you meant, but I think the culture is way more like youth orientated. Getting we'll, of course, it is because you know from my perspective thirty years ago if you picked up Vo Cosmo or L. Right and you looked at the cover, you would never see somebody who seventeen years old gracing the cover agree. But today is almost it can never be young enough. It's going to be babies on the. Back mean if we look at the progression, you know supermodels were like in their late Twenties and early thirties years ago today they're like sixteen seventeen years old here. They looked more I. Know It's Two more women you know and now it's like. They don't look like women. They look like kids you know and they are kids but we have this obsession with us to the point where we're putting seventeen years out there in a hyper sexual way, which is a little bit weird I. Mean I'm a Dad I four kids you know in thinking about my daughter at seventeen years old you know having it all out there on display. It freaks me out a little bit I know that it's healthy for our youth. But the thing is is that it raises the bar for what people see as being the archetype of what we aspire to and I don't think that's fair good but it's Something, that we're all dealing with and I think that we have to be as a society a little bit more cognizant of that it'd be more regulatory understand how it affects women, how it affects men, how it affects how we interact with each other because it does so but save all that stuff and then you know that's like that's a that's you know like those are big ideas and it's really wonderful to talk about. But you know unfortunately sex sells and that's what people put out there. Unfortunately, the more people click and the more people engaged that kind of content the more we feed it you know as an industry certainly know that firsthand. But if you want to try to minimize your aging, the most important things are obvious I think you know, and these are the things you will read over and over and over again sun exposure is a disaster is doing a lot better than we ever did with that I think that most people men and women would never go and do what I did when I was growing up, which is ice to put like baby oil night I know in and fry my skin or put like coppertone to on I mean I'm dating myself here but putting on coppertone four was like Oh my God how do you do that now today? We have to the so cute. Cumana. Even make this stuff anymore. Only like eight and that was not that long ago. But the thing is now people use better some blocks every an I do take care of a lot of young clients. Who Come in and they're coming in for skincare and all the things that are gauged. So you have to protect your skin. You should be using retina as part of your regiment or some kind of retinol because that builds up the college maintains college leaves it'd be skin sunblock and some form of vitamin A derivative retinal retina will pay huge dividends for you to use one. Of course, I do like a prescription one, the US Retina, the as the prescriptive type. So as you get older, you need something a little bit stronger bird retinol, which is readily available over the counter in many different products. And preparations is a wonderful way to be able to maintain your skin. So those are like pretty inexpensive and attainable ways of doing this retinol is cheap, but it's definitely not the same as going to a dermatologist or plastic surgeon more prescriptive medications. So you do those things and that'll pay huge dividends I think once you get past that, you know obviously, we don't want to gain lose too much weight as we stretch our tissues out with a tissue expansion maintaining away appropriately and avoiding toxic foods and you know this is this is the truth gluten sucks. It tastes wonderful. It's toxic to our bodies is. Strong words from a doctor. They are though you know you know and this is the thing I saw like like a bowl of pasta every once in a while. Everybody, it's toxic to everybody. Toxic. Toxic is of a car I. Love CARBS and I. It's harder and harder for me to eat them because as I eat them get bigger and bigger and they've got to run more and more to burn off. But the truth is is that there's lots of inflammatory properties to food you know. Ogres, of course, to simple shift sugars, processed carbs, and you know it tastes really really good. But you know what? There's a lot of truth if you just. Thinks and the we all know what to do. We learn from Grade School what he's supposed to do eat fruits and vegetables and good produce. You know you eat you know lean meats. I mean everybody knows what to do it just don't taste so good. So the more alcohol we drink more tobacco, we smoke and all those things you. You can't be you can't be an angel all the time, but trying to minimize those things that definitely age your tissues, Asia, skin there's no question that eating a lot of processed foods sugar. It definitely puts a toll on your skin eight dermatologists will tell me. I thought I was looking at me like. You're on fish right now we're both shrinking are see. Here's the thing you said. Good. Eat a lot of little little cheese possibly four nights a week. Meats. But here, here's the thing. It let's saying that you have to be perfect all the time but trying to be as it of these things and minimizing your exposure to them we'll definitely do better for you over the long haul over decades of your life but but save those things I think those. Has Ancient Grain. But boats hawks is definitely something that helps as you start to age and usually in the early thirty and beyond because you start to get. Clues toxic but. Unfortunately because you the best way to think about your skin and vo talks is thinking about wearing a leather coat. It's brand new is the leather Silky and smooth. But as you start to wear it and you look at the elbows where the folds over and over again, you fold the leather over and over again, you start to get Craxi wrinkles. So people who engage boats, hawks not when they're twenty one years old. But as they saw sea lines and wrinkles, it will prevent you from getting more characteristic lines in the upper. Third of the face, the forehead, the IRS around the is crows feet. If you maintain that, you don't to do talks all the time but even if you do it once a year to minimize how much those muscles flex will stop you from getting more wrinkles in your skin. So those are the main things that I think you do in the early phases of your life. Obviously, you continue to age you put a little filler and it is supportive, but you don't overdo it. You know, and then you late nature take its course. You given us a lot of advice too much. Know we have to learn all of it. Okay. Before you go one last question what's in your medicine cabinet right now what do you use on your face? So? I use the. point Oh. Five known, which is Retin-a I use this thing it's it's skinceuticals it's vitamin C I I love it. So I put that on my skin everyday day at nighttime. If I'm feeling dry I, you know this is going to be very You know. Maybe I don't I don't want to suggest that you need to use such a fancy Moi's Moisturizer, but I have lemaire cream that I. You know most these moisturizers they're very equivalent for something the Silky feel that stuff and Love Love Yeah they'll put it on all the time but thing especially during the wintertime you know when you're in New York and it's winter you get just gets very dry and cracked but you get used something as simple as sita filthy to fill moisturizer is wonderful. It's very inexpensive and it's something that's available to every Reforms Pharmacy. So the main things you WanNa, do she want explicitly your skin? You want to support it with some kind of a vitamin A derivative. I use RETIN-A use retinol used you some kind of antioxidant the the vitamin C's You know vitamin C, e Ferulic from skinceuticals is one of my favorite but there are multiple preparations of these kinds of things something that's antioxidant protective something to build a college layers and something to moisturizes skin and your great. Great Oh my God you you should be on TV. That was he has he's been on like the today stuff I used to have my own TV show. Well, it was. It was I do a lot of charitable surgery. So I do a lot of pro bono surgery on children, but I also do reconstructive surgery on women and children who are victims of domestic violence. So fantastic. So I so I had a TV show. Thank you in on Discovery Channel and this was probably my God probably two, thousand, two, thousand, nine, it was only one one you know once one. Season that we did it. You know what I did was is I and I do a lot of this work. But one of my friends was a TV producer and he's like eels great work in which do a TV show about it. So then I you know every episode, I would do to people who had a story unfortunately had facial disfigurement from domestic violence. And we did that and it was a very interesting process to be in a TV show, but it's a lot of work. Yeah. Yeah. One of my good friends this is funny One of my good friends is Dr. Paul Nassif was on Botch yes. Yes. Yeah. So Dr Paul Nassif, you know he's you know we're we're very close and he's you know the amount of time that you spent. I knew I did it for one season you know doing a television show it actually makes it very difficult to be a surgeon and take care of your patients. So sticking. Dr. Nassif is a great surgeon and he's also he. He's also really great on TV I. Love Watching Them. He's funny. But I'm lucky that we have you in the studio today and thank you so much for all of the. Thank you. I'm going to go have some pasta. You give me a lot to give out for thought. Also I hope you're like working in twenty five years because you might get a little tingling for me. I do have for children and to support. We'll see in. To be I'm. Going to be old. Sharp you don't WanNa come to me. I'll send you two guys that trade. Thank you. Dude. deadlight light. So glad you get interview and when you can you explain why I was like that is it. That's what makes a good podcast interview. It's somebody who'd want to sit next to it like a dinner party and for me someone who is educating me at the same time they are entertaining me and I love I. Loved it. Loved it. Thank you for bringing that back into everybody's feed to this week. I'm so glad you dug it. Yeah. Okay. So you WANNA. Raise the wand. Yes. Do I get to start sure go ahead. Okay. So I'm actually going to raise a wand to a brand I have fallen in love with all over again. So I actually discovered the brand through a former podcast guests. Okay. It's all like keeping all on the FM. Today. So core organics that is former podcast guests, Miranda, Kerr's brand. Now before you start thinking, okay, she's a supermodel who has her own brand great core organics is the shit right and. I'd not a huge cursor. It is amazing. I got really back into Cora when I gave my friend Lucy a couple of core products that I have extra ones lying around and then she. wrote me from like she was on a trip and she was like this is amazing and she's like not a huge beauty person like she's not gonna like she's not someone who asks for product or like law this product and she she loves something she loves something like pay for it. She is going crazy for chorus. So I was like, what have I have cora got some stuff that can start using again. You're like, why didn't give it away yeah? Yeah. Yeah. The. Second. Cora. So I was like you know what? I have core products too. So I have quite a few. Lucy. Give it back. I know I know she's crazy about this space oil. There's a lot of course thinks she's Well, I, I'm a few things, but one of them that I like it was like right next to my bed I started using get that now is. Easy is the core enriched body lotion. It is so good. It smells so spa like I rub it all over my body like single night and I wasn't using body lotion all the time because I'm lazy cow it is fantastic. It's got a hogue oil of course it's organic because that's Miranda she's very fancy like that. She's like healthy organic yacht back Adamia oils cocoa butter. Nobody extract her whole remember the Nonni. The nonni of the new we should remember eight her interview. Accent was delightful. Kept saying no need. Really, an accent. Asmar she was incredible. I mean her face is of mesmerizing to anybody show on. She's like she's she's absolutely beautiful person. It's just wonderful. You massage it in and I. Even my husband said like to be like to like like you know tm but he said like my skin felt really soft and really nice and I was like I have to keep using this I'd my husband said my skit fell off. Like I, feel like if it made me feel good. So Anyway I. Love It, and I love it. It's an pumps. You could just like like a lazy lazy animal I push and Rub it on my body when I'm in bed like it's not. An animal metaphors or cow. What else have we got? When you're get dry. It's not like a butter. We need to unscrew the top and then you have to like put your little pollen. You completely know what you're talking about I think yeah great? A brand that like it is similar sort of way it was one of these brands that get so much hype that I got one of the products and I was like I know I have to try this but you know you don't go through cleansers that often I was using another cleanser that was making me breakout quit that and I reached for Jordan Samuel. Skin I know forever, right? Don't all the models love him. One of those backstage brands a couple maybe two years ago not even and then like a beauty editors were whispering about it and. In the know people. That it's the same with happened with Vintner's daughter I was like against against it against it. Fine. I'll try it, and of course, it was amazing because there's a reason these word of mouth products like they're usually really pricey and they start out with a very cliquey type of person who likes it and for. The Galateri and in me wants to not like it for that reason. But here I am. In Jordan Samuel and his lovely the after show treatment cleanser. Oh my gosh. I just realized it DA models after show like he does do all the models. So this cleanser is like if it's so it's just such a nice experience because it's a gel that more into like a creamy oil I feel like I'm getting a little. Erica my we say we're eating. A fund snack that requires work like for example, I'm trying to think of a good example I don't know eating shrimp like would be one but that's bad. One free let lettuce roles. All of a snack Tivi and I love a snack. The food is an action. Well, this is like a beauty tips. Like. Oh, cleansing face it just wash my face I'm like having a little spot treatment because of like the formula that changes consistencies and has a lovely smell gets off all the makeup and it's sort of like, oh, I haven't been double cleansing with this because it's sort of to me the bomb and the foam cleanser sort of in one doesn't really foam up late. And fine. All you people told me about Jordan Samuel. You're rights. It's great. So I'll put a link on the blog. My favorite thing was when you said that you were against a beauty product. To just like you're gonNA pass you were against no because you don't be such like I don't know a Knuckle word a contrarian. You're not like burning down a Sephora you're. 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Bonus Podcast: Brie Larson

The Film Buds Podcast

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Bonus Podcast: Brie Larson

"Cova nineteen better known as corona virus has spread throughout the world symptoms of this respiratory disease may include fever cough and shortness of breath. These symptoms may show up to fourteen days after exposure. If you are experiencing these symptoms and have come into contact or are in an area with an ongoing outbreak. Please call a hotline and or consult with a physician. Clean and disinfect high touch surfaces for more information please visit CDC dot Gov forward slash coveted nineteen. Thank you rolling. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the film. Buds podcast episode number eight. No this is a special addition. Okay this is like one A. Okay so this one B B One. I don't know so are we? Are we had so little? Yes this one we are. We just did the regular show yesterday on what we review Dumbo Amazon. Yeah and then we are had the chance to do a little bit of an extra show. And so this one is if you're hearing this your You've downloaded it through tame and thank you for donating it goes to help support the show And so more than likely be doing more like franchise stuff with these types of episodes but for now we're just going to be doing a little mini close corners type. Show and first of all. We're going to be reviewing the new Brie. Larson Directed Net Flix film unicorns store from twenty seventeen. I saw that what the heck I don't know been sitting on a shelf I know and then I something and then we are. I mean I'll have it in the title so you'll know what will be reviewing before you downloaded but we'll be reviewing something we're figuring it out as we go. I'm so sorry for the kind of not the best planning. But you know it's been a little hectic you know but thank you again. So much for downloading well chloe. How you doing pretty well Henry. I'm a little tired. Yes yeah get up to last night anything funny. I watched Unicorn Store Dope Dope. Yeah I watched it this morning Nice. Ooh That's That's an early. I know I had to go to dinner last night. How long did that take takes a while homeboy? We'll added teach a pottery class and then dinner. Oh Okay Yeah I was I was. It knows before. The present is around noon toefl earn. Yeah so preschool in pottery. Yeah but yet. You're so check out the the normal episode nineteen on Dumbo. And they've already done that if they're here not necessarily. But what's the other review? Dumbo and Allison Wonderland. Yes yes so yes. We're a little all over the place but it's a it's in the early mornings but Yeah so all right. Well I guess we can. Yeah just go ahead and kick off our review of Unicorn store and we have a clip. Let's take a listen feeling like a failure? I can't take anymore rejection. Remember Kevin L. Kit. You look the same. So what's your plan? Now that you've been kicked out of school. I've taken a temporary position and public relations firm. Did you always know this is what you wanted to do or did you want to do another thing? I did. I dream figure skating but my parents wouldn't pay for the lessons. You don't WanNa be attempt forever do you. And so. The synopsis is a woman named Kit. Receives a mysterious invitation that would fulfill her childhood dreams and this one is directed by Brie. Larceny Stars Brie Larson as well as Samuel L. Jackson from from Patty cakes. Yeah Joan Cusak. Bradley Whitford Mamadu Athey. That's about it and patty cakes I think so yeah emblazoned from burning love and the news also in the boy brandon. That's so raven he is around. You know what I'm talking about the blond guy. Yeah he's always around gotTa love him so yeah. This one. Just premiered on Netflix yesterday. Which was April Fifth and is her doctoral debut or I mean she's been. She's doing a few films that she sang but was carrying the game. Yeah and so I. I knew very little about this movie. Going in only seem a little bit of the trailer. So we'll Khloe what you what you think of Unicorn store so I knew nothing about it. I like read the Synopsis. But I was like distracted even whilst reading it. I was distracted just now. I still don't know the synopsis. No offense but So I had a different idea of what was going to happen then. What happened in it? Far exceeded my expectations Because I thought it was going to be like basic like. Oh she's misunderstood like amazing and like Nash could be super successful. Like have this big love those stories Blah Blah Blah. Yeah this was the most beautiful. Oh God watch yeah. Yeah well I say I love the movies. Well my God. I really wasn't expecting it to be as good as it was. I mean I don't think it's I mean it doesn't do anything that's like you know doesn't break the mold but Dan in some small ways. I think it's like papyrus was actually like a local store. Sneezed glitter acute. Like a like a nice need not like a monster sneeze. Yeah why aren't we do have local papyrus stores but you won't know them. Ooh Plug crayons emporium. Come by best during the world now. Is that what I've seen? We should do for Retro Mr Magoo wondering for him because like Kinda Goes. Oh well next time. Well Yeah I so I I really enjoyed it and I think especially the first like thirty minutes or so. Please like if Brie Larson was in the office so good. Yeah Oh my God yeah I I think she was amazing and let me just say I apologize for anything bad. I've ever say bad things about Larson. I duNno I duNno. She's always been a major no listeners. Go back to listen to all seventy nine episodes. We've done and make sure I may have. I don't know Henry I don't think you would i. I may have criticized listeners. Get let us know dare you. I never have I know you. Haven't I love her now? Having seen like Captain Marvel and this are probably my two favorite films of the year too many kids throughout my day. Yesterday everyone likes Dumbo. Everyone loved Captain Marvel. That's about right except apparently there's a whole thing where people are calling on marvel because she's a girl. Have you heard this stupid? That's what they said. I haven't heard that contract for like a bunch of dumb boys. Connor Marvel 'cause she can't become marvel. She has girl but the boys will come to pottery and stuff you know. They're little center that they said dope at your stupid children. The future get real. Do Clay to the teacher do clay. Yeah but yeah I I did Jackson and the actually seeing both yes and actually King Kong. Oh yeah and I actually didn't mind him in this lately lately lately. He's been getting on my nerves. He's just been a little too. Samuel low to software you know but and this I liked him especially since he's kind of in the background to sweet sweet sweet sweet movie but I mean I think the film not that this is really a criticism but it is a little kind of jumps back and forth between various storylines. Like there's the the office storyline. Which kind of comes in and out. And then there's the whole Unicorn. Yeah and then. There's the stuff with the parents and at times. I think it's like that's her right. Yeah totally although I mean at the end by the by the end of the Unit. That don't boil anything okay. Honda Honda percent. People are gonNA listen to this and then watch it okay. So yeah sorry but I think she's amazing and I think I think it's directed really well so it's really really well I fall not to. I don't even care. It doesn't mood taught me artful it is artful. Yeah and I think it was almost like a really good music video to me. Yeah Yeah and I yeah. It's I think she just had a great. I think both her performance and the direction like had great like re reaction shots things and really reminded me of the office in those those same. That's I think one of the things people love about the office. Thaad from like it's super funny right but it's also like really earnestly like sweet like real and I think that that's definitely across over two and stylistically make sense it kind of overlaps even though super obviously super different right I should say this also full disclosure. My favorite genre is magical realism is what this is. And it's like sweet and it's a girl and Blah Blah Blah Gama Har- are now have officially to moods. What are they miss? Stevens and Unicorn. Store are my two moods hundred percent and I love. The people weren't like it's like a big thing for me and it's another reason I love lady bird to is like the people. There's no one who's just like vilified like everyone's just doing their best like even lady bird they didn't do like like Shoot what's his name Timothy mischaracterize name. I can't remember. Gosh darn it and I like to poser. Whatever Tim I don't know anyway that Sam. Wow that just came. Well he's definitely not paying their little your little thing pay to find out the name of the boy clothes lovely who she saw last night in. Dingo great but didn't go terribly but really didn't go. Well they didn't go terribly. I didn't like see him last night. I literally saw him at dinner last night. We did not attend dinner together. Okay Yeah wasn't great. I don't understand. I don't know what's going on. It wasn't bad just awkward. I don't know I just don't understand. Foresee it would like literally nothing happened. I mean almost literally. Nothing happened like you know you just like replay like that so black mirror. I'm not a I'm not What's the word endorsing Black Mirror? Now Jim Okay but all right now very clear you know what I'm talking about. No I haven't seen Black Mirror there's one where like you can record everything that happens to you whenever okay. What are they saying magical realism? But now you're the one who got us off topic here. Oh No let me get back. Okay it's a good point Tim Xiaomei. And why can't I think of his name and Lebron Steph? Like he's supposed to be like kyle his name is Kyle. Because that's right Tim. You don't look like Kyle. That's why but anyway. So he's supposed to be like a jerk. Obviously right right but he still has dimension like he's not actively A bolt like trying to jerk like Joseph dealing with his father yams he has multiple sites and stuff but it also doesn't be like Oh well. His Dad's six awake. He keeps us. He's a sweetie pie just by virtue. That's how that works either and like the girl the I remember cool girl Israeli girl. Yeah the cool girl like. She's not a jerk they just don't just different values. She's not meeting dishonesty. Yeah he did. That was really good. Oh my God was that role played by Sebastian Stan. I didn't know somebody will get that one person but Blake in this movie like her parents weren't horrible like nobody was horrible. Ever like nobody would mean bad person like and I really appreciate that. 'cause I agree. Hopefully there aren't that many people You know yes I I think in the movie does a really good job of not playing in a reality but being self aware that it is goes along with magical realism and in a way is kind of like like the office in that way. Where it's so heightened but you know it's not real but I loved the the presentation saying where she's on the Confetti. That was pretty great. Selga good in the way that that's like the story really respects itself like those involved in making it like it was clearly just like loved so much you know what I mean like. They didn't make her look like and idiot. They didn't make basically it was like especially cool. 'cause like imagine realism movie. What happens is extremely realistic like run? That's a lot of ways like it's not the overly theatrical. You know what I mean. Does that kind of makes area and I just love that like you just respects. The characters is like people. Yeah Yeah and I I was a little worried at first how they were going to pull off the third act but I think they did it really well so there's a way that it could have gone so wrong stores are they're gonNA use this bad. Cg or something and but it was. I thought it was good and her and her performance was great. Oh my God so like I'm Co you see. I'm I'm done but it's so sweet like the I won't give anything away but like the five hundred days of summer esque and yeah. I just loved that. Yeah you beat any mcphee Michael Michael. I'm sorry I called you. Michael Samuel Jackson. I don't know where I was GONNA say. Michael Jordan Samuel Jackson. Yeah let's get some Michael Jordan in this movie. Why Not Yeah? I don't know where we put them. Storm checked out cre- to miss that in the metoo slipped under our radar there. Yeah I yeah I what did you think of the office? President Guy Manager Guy. I thought that was so good. 'cause it's true like I'm sure you can relate to it in some way but I feel like it was a really good way of addressing like especially. Oh my God okay. I'm sorry I'm going to try. I I got this. I got this. I have a lot of ideas forming right now. Okay so like especially as like quote unquote failed artist. Whatever like I think She probably like it's really easy to have like dat like self Dow and what you like care about and put out in. The world is like very subjective thing and like anyway like especially as girls. I think it's fair to say we're taught lake. Well it's it's like we're conditioned to be like. Oh no maybe like nothing. They're right like they're right. I think it's like that. You know like the impostor syndrome. Like all the stuff and culminates to make life sentence that like people are taught to like you know 'cause 'cause even like I don't mean to I have to correct myself like when I'm watching T. Moisture a better for the doubt kind of person and I think she is to. You know what I mean. And it's just like oh they didn't like it's not like it's not like USA that it's not that bad like that's the worst thing you can say like no. You don't deserve anything bad bre- you know what I mean like so I really liked it. They put that in there without it. Being like the focus of the movie. You know what I mean. It's like the same thing as when Like net flicks is so crowded house like overweight stars movies except all those moves for overweight people. Like that's not the That don't do it. You know what I mean. Yeah but like I really liked it and her relationship with other people that because like we all need a little help also the whole thing like I can I know I'm such a bubbly extroverted personality right and everybody not really like and I'm sure someone in this way like D- were not we don't love social it's challenging to like make friends ask and I think the beauty part of what this mood is like just has so much eneg so much heart so much like life's army it gives you a little hard. Somebody sweet lessons like real friendships. You don't even exactly realize they're happening. Brian and she has this movie and she just has to rely. Basically this movie I think of the other day. Honestly there's a lot about realizing your worth and respecting it off to like. Be Your be the best version of yourself like you owe it to yourself to be the best version of yourself right. Yeah and although I mean there's not really a ton of commentary about it. I did like the whole like her thinking. That how the Office Guy Tree which I mean of forces. I mean kind of tie. Talented people feel yeah. I love it when she's driving in the car and he's like yeah they do normal things like yeah holds the door open and ahead of my hair. It's like Oh no. He does for everybody so that was good and again just like little weird bits of humor like that are great. And but no I. I think the ending was the third mood. Okay Risk Cutters. A love story as my third mood Cy. I haven't seen that lot. When when did this come out like ten years ago? Oh No I haven't seen that Those are my three moods though. Miss Stevens Unicorn Store in risk love story. What's Miss Stevens? I mean I know I know the movie. But what's the mood what's just? I can't explain it. Okay well listeners. You can check that out on your own. Yeah get back to us but yeah I I. It was. Yeah it was right when it started. I was like this is good like jazz which really was surprising but And I feel like I can watch it like a thousand pop it in anytime and yeah I I like the the two parents and haven't seen Joan cusack and wow John cusack. She was pulled to that man. Yeah I like the little camp good. Yeah well as well But yeah it was just shot like snow. Directed only would never expect that. It was her her. I wonder I some fish. We yeah she's she's been in this like world since she was like sixteen. But still you still gotta take those steps. I'm not diminishing. I'm just explaining. Perhaps the origin of the comforter ability but run. Yeah so good and it was like you know I always say like I said yesterday about Dumbo. And that was way bigger scale like they had a lot. More Time and money probably. I don't know maybe less time because it was a bigger scale but anyway like there was so much attention to like it was a wholly formed world and like I know it's my aesthetic like the glitter and like the like pretty cursive. Metallic is my static. Anyway sure but I'd be like even if it was neurotic you can appreciate like. The store was so cool. The little like the bus went by that said Lake. Keep going kit like all this stuff. I itself like. That's the stuff I need like the little. It was all embroidered so beautifully you now. You know she's missing from Sony movies like I said I agree. I think it really comes down to this movie. Movie Heart Goes. Yeah yeah and I liked her friend. The the the guy and the girl the coworker of hers. Yeah but then the the Guy Herschel Virgil the great hardware store guy. He was great. Yeah this Stroz so love love love love. Yeah and Yeah he was patty cakes news. Really scary as I kinda know that dude and I realized because the voice and I said well no free voice for you buddy. Casey played like a goth like creepy. Kinda not synonymous but he happened to be both Goth in creepy and nice like cold. But I didn't like patty cakes just to be clear but he was good but I loved it. I loved this movie so much. I can't say enough and I like that. She didn't have. She wasn't like perfect like she wasn't like totally. Yeah she doesn't like Snow White but she still deserves good things and to like be cared about and care about herself. You know and I liked that. There wasn't a direct like antagonists. It was just like yeah. Life is challenging. And it's on you. It's easy to feel misunderstood but not even notice that you're feeling that way like You just kind of assume that it's supposed to be as you feel like different Donald. I loved the opening scene. Like that was so good where she's painting. That was really good. Well and the way she looks like that's when I knew how the tone was going to be lots of kind of quirky but not in annoying way ernest. It's not like there's no like quirky moment. It's not. It's not like a new girl vibe like that like it's yeah yeah is is. It was a fun time itself. Good Very Pleasantly surprised and yeah so if you haven't it's on Netflix. Now check it out. Check it out. Yeah cool well. Anything else about Unicorn store I like. I like it when she was running off. And she's like I'm going to buy graph paper or some good little one. Oh good they're so Hashtag relatable that cognitive dissonance though so good and I love the spoiler. I guess I'll just say I love that. She had to be herself circumstantially. Things would not allow her to not be herself and I just love bet. It's like my I was in like middle school like they whatever they would like when I went to get my haircut like blow it out or whatever like dredging my hair just like curl up like and I respect that about myself. Sure sure all right well out of five stars. It's a four and a half for me thinks oh come on. Sunday I want five okay but it is. I'll say it is one of my favorites of the year so far so maybe number two number one probably climax clink climax probably climax. Oh that crazy dance. What the heck is it something? Oh No Henry. Terrell mother a little bit yeah. Little Bit O. J. You wouldn't like it. No I've been trying to get a Jacob in this guy from the Chelsea to talk about it because they they both liked it but you know why you try and get three people who all like it come talk about it or I don't know if the other guy I liked by. No Jacob liked it but I know you're not going to see it so I mean we at a loss. You gotta just keep it them. We probably will end up. Just giving it so. It's not a big issue. Patrick on here is that his name. Patrick shoot what does name which one do from your work. Zachary Zach. Jaggery can talk about Queer Queer on. Oh my God okay. I give birth me okay. Classic you go into it's like yeah closure as little as like a retro feel right like the linoleum floors but like pretty sure and you're walking in and this is you know it's you walking into this is what you're seeing is your hands holding a cake and Turquoise porcelain play super pretty and the cake is homemade. It's very layered. It's why I sing with the low piping around the top and got rainbow sprinkles like the circular ones. You don't like the long ones. And it's got Sparklers on top way overdone dislike. That doesn't really exist like the you know. The plastic glitter like chunks like confetti closure is but but it edible. I don't know how that works. But it's edible right now and it's just covering the cake and it's like falling off the plate and everything going and then but this is a trick. You're that person but you're also somehow the person at the table. Who's receiving the birthday cake? And all your friends level under rand you but you're not actually but also but now but now your mom is the one. Commu the cake. What an image Gosh I'm from India kitchen. Okay wow well listeners. That's a little brain teaser for you. Yeah so I learned in brain teaser. Yesterday and I did I was really bad. I didn't get one right. I got one right. Actually I've probably like twelve. Okay how'd you right In Red with a blue pen you read the words in red eye now. I can't remember the other ones but that was the main one. I'm going to really butcher this okay. It was at my. It was last night at the Chabad dinner so it was a little book and all the names are like Israeli names. 'cause it was like the rabbis kid was reading and whatever it's always like. Yossi writes a letter to his mom. This is the letter dear. Mom I don't remember the letter word for word but can't believe me dear mom. I'm so sorry for what happened. Oh I skipped apart. This is yes he yes. He almost drowned in a pool yesterday or something. They don't know how to swim. Jumped in any way or something like that. I don't really remember so irresponsible yesi anyway to your dear mom. I'm so what happened. I promise not to touch water until Not to step in the water until I learned how to properly swim. I love you so much. There's a little more to the letter but I can't remember but that suggests love Yesi and then the question is can Yossi keep his promise and this is a really good like lesson as well. Like big like yeah. It took me a moment. I was like Whoa. That's crazy. That's so true. Life can keep his promise Henry not fully. I think he's going to have to set to touch water before stepping. I think he's going to have to touch water before step in water to truly learn. You know I mean he can learn a form. He can watch youtube videos. Yeah but you gotta get in the Water Buddy. I was like yeah. You can keep his promise. Give them of course that was like Oh because he has to take bath and Sean. The kid was like no. You gotta go back into the portal or swim and I said Yeah Free Larson. That's kind of like your movie. A little bit If you want but if you want that Unicorn you gotta you gotTa want so pretty. I just picturing the with the prism on her face so pretty good so I love like this is gonNa Sound really likes to protect actually sounds like everything else. I say but like her hair. I loved her hair like it wasn't intentionally like super messy but it was perfect. Just like normal hair you know like lady bird. They just left her skin alone. Support killer so good right. Oh my gosh. That's sweet Haffey. Well done movie. Dang aren't well. We decided to do a little captain. Marvel talk since we kind of skipped over that on the normal reviews on the show. We have a clip. You know the drill. You need a ride darling about smile from her smile. Martin help you at least you could do is give me a smile hand. Jay. I'm veers people. Call me the Dawn. Wow here's a proposition for you. You're GonNa give me your jacket your helmet and your motorcycle and in return. I'm GonNa let you keep your hands. Smile Captain Marvel Star Brie. Larson's Emma Jackson Joan Cusak away. Got It so directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck stars. Larson Samuel L. Jackson Ben Mendelsohn. And that that's a great gas. Yeah I miss. This Lee Pace Cameron and the Synopsis Is Carol. Danvers become one of the present. Gemma Chan in it. Don't skip over. Maybe yes she is come on becomes whether the universe's most powerful heroes when earth is caught in the middle of a galactic war between two alien races. Yes so this one. Yeah just came out in the last few weeks ago and she's to me personally to be clear. I haven't seen it. Yeah just now my deal. Yeah and I was GONNA see one. It'd be this one especially if tightwad directed by here yes It's the debut of Captain Marvel on the big screen and she's also going to be in avengers endgame as well and based been doing really well. It's already passed the billion dollar mark at the box office so doing pretty well. Oscars so I really was surprised by this one as well. I think I killed it and I think it's the issues with pacing. It just feels a little long and there's kind of multiple endings where it feels like. It's ending three billboards. Hashtag we billboard Kinda Yeah. That's one issue with that and then also just in terms of the direction itself. It's not that inspired. It's I mean it's directed by the people who did this movie called Mississippi Grind with Mendelssohn Ryan Reynolds the gambling movie. Which I never saw. Who DID NOBODY SHOT? I think? Yeah yeah well. Anyways it is the opening act or so is kind of guardians of the galaxy. Ask and so. If you like that stuff you may. You may get and then. She's like Tom Cruise Z. Right like a pilot and stuff yummy. It's kind of like nineteen eighties nineties. And it's like nineties top gun which I mean I I love Taco so and I mean some of the pop culture references. Some of the soundtrack is a little maybe two point. Yeah like I could have done without the song and stuff like that. You know does doesn't always really fit that well but for the most part it's it's feels genuine But it's I mean it's a it's I'd say it's probably the best or the one. I enjoyed the most since the second captain America a few years ago. I think you mentioned Thor Ragnarok. Oh yeah that actually that's true. Maybe it's store. Yeah I had forgotten about door and but it does feel a little bit like the. We're actually so in a good way but the blonde hair. Yeah big big connection muscles. Yeah But I think the best thing about it is that the captain marvel character just feels like a great kind of modern day character and feels very relatable you know especially kind of being very timely like this woman being in a world of men who are constantly trying to Kinda hit or back down and shook just keeps getting back up. It's not time with him. Yeah now people are paying more. I mean let's say timeless thing but it's particularly taught to split hairs that's okay. Hey that's our that's our thing right. That's very accurate. I enjoyed it quite a bit. It's right up there with Unicorn store for my best of the year and I'll probably only C. N. game for Captain Marvel but I'll say you know big yeah. Yeah it's it's a fun time I not overly long and think it's just about two hours so not not not terror. Line Eighty six. It's not it's not one hundred and eighty two minutes like game is but plus the formative added for the after credit being right cell. Yeah I didn't see I'm GONNA give it a solid four stars. I think I think you probably like get at least a little bit a little bit difficult for me to get out to the super busy recently. You might not know because I haven't said it enough but added some stuff on handling a wedding and I went to Poland. Yes yes you've been quite busy but yeah but I like. It's hard to get me out of that theater for like a superhero movies. Are you everybody else these days ever going to the movies? Except for these superhero films. So I just said it was the opposite for me. Well well well glad we're list could but if this one I I will definitely watch I would have. I would not be opposed if you WANNA go see like yeah of course especially if the other Sam sure we've said his name now so it's all lost you might as well we call them others. See Him 'cause my sister's Fantas name the Sam who's been on the show. Put Your name happen on the show friends to the show. Yeah well did actually talk a little bit. Yeah I mean he talked about Pumpkins and then he liked. I think rocky and terminator stuff like that metal band. Yeah so guy good guy. He's a good guy. Didn't he looks so sick when he came out because they fasted all day and he a very slight man like. Yeah no my God. I felt so bad for milk. Follow but had you ever seen people on dancing in the air like that before not in person terrifying right something witness for sure. They put up on a table. Y'All almost hit the ceiling scary to me. The biggest chandelier North Carolina. Yes so I. Judy is very good and I think all as he goes he matches up well with Brie and they. They make a good pair on screen. And I really enjoyed the storylines. Not Lovey Dovey. Is there no good? I really enjoyed the storylines of her trying to figure out. It's been Mendelssohn bad probably. Oh Oh yeah Oh yeah. Let's go to the stuff in. This movie is Lee Pace like the dead dad. No He's the that's like who he is in. My mind is like this sweet dad no he. He appears throughout a lot of the other marvel movies. He's an well he I think. He first appeared in guardians of the galaxy. He's in the Well he's one of the kind of overseeing Lord's of POPs in and out of various films. Okay go ahead pasted living life right man. I tell you what you like. He's like the least like effort for a list. Actor like yeah. I think it's important to like. His name is really cool. Here's the Hobbit Films Allies Elf King. He was he's always a king. Yeah that was a that was a look. I can't I don't like looking at that. Pace has yeah. It's scary very Lucius. Malfoy it is a little bit though. I did like the storylines of her trying to figure out who she is. And I think that's right. I was informed about this. She doesn't know who she is like. Born right a little bit. It's it's done. It feels pretty sincere and ads. Go and genuine and yeah. There's some good twists toward the end. I think for the most part workout. Maybe aren't all necessary but I think so far out of sure. They'll find a retroactive tie. In seventy two years. Yeah but I. I do like the idea of her. I think they've already come announced a where she's kind of like leading marvel now like the or the characters down suck it those four dudes all right. There's four of them in America. Ironman Ironman Hulk. Thor there's doctor strange's now no no no the the Big Four. Yeah basketball. Yeah because they all dead right no the only four left. Kind of yeah. Yeah so yeah. I do like the idea of her leading it. And this film kind of sets that up in some ways And also the de Aging CG for Samuel L. Jackson was pretty good. Actually Yeah Yeah he looks a. I'm I'm dying to see. What's the movie Irishman Dynasty? So they made him look pretty young and it looks believable. So good job with that. I guess so but Kusukawa. Yeah no pun intended. There's one more thing though. I like the subway sequence where she punches the old lady who turns out to be alien. It's good good saying there's controversy about that came out punching all day. Yeah why because people are stupid. Okay yeah she's an alien so it's okay. Yeah but but yeah again. The some of the pacing not great filmmaking. Not Not as good as it could have been but I think that for what it is. It's it's quite good and I would like to to give another poke at some point. Three lushness today. Sh- Princess Diana before the biggest mood of all time when she wouldn't clap for Casey Affleck. Still about okay okay. Christian Bale has number two Oscar moment of all time with the. Yes thanking Satan for inspiration to play Cheney but bree wins news. That's for sure it was good. Yeah it's a also like before. Captain Marvel I was not. I didn't dislike him but I was just not. It's like okay. I'll I'll see this. You know I like turn room. And then I liked her in some other small roles like a twenty one jump street and she's even I've forgotten. She was in Don Jon sister of Joseph Gordon Levitt but Captain Marvel and then especially Unicorn store really changed my mind and so I'm I'm on board with with Brie and need a Unicorn store poster next beautiful boy. Post killer poster poster for that for now. The one I bought was a GYP. So what's happened? It was really crappy. It was it was bad so sweet. Though thank you go God i. It's close going to love it. Looked this JAG. In Tow Bruce. I have Jesus my friend. Kobe did that with his knee. How while we were playing soccer. Okay still isn't it? He and I'm like not a bruiser doesn't look great Yeah so yeah. It's definitely excited to see what she's doing next. And then directing or has directed one or two other things I think so I definitely will check those out. I think they're all going to be on Netflix. He's doubt I believe so. The first person they signed for multiple sorry Northampton nie-nieto Adam Sandler boy. Yeah I'm definitely wolf trying to follow her a lot more than I have been and so yeah I mean I I loved Captain Marvel. I Love Unicorn store you know. What can you say so much more because I got to go to work already? It was a four and a half for me when I when I saw it. So yeah same. Haven't seen it given it seventeen stars all right. Is that Khloe? Thanks for listening. Yeah so yes. Oh yes so again. The we might be doing more franchise stuff like this. Or I mean more franchise stuff for the bonus shows as opposed to this but this will see close corners dote but this was just a little fun. Little off with call mini show. So thank you so much for downloading. It helps us out. Makes US feel great? Yes or no question since questions to film buds at me at the film buzz pod cash gmail.com gmail.com. And you can find us. Tweeter buds and Graham at the phone buds PODCAST FACEBOOK. 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Ep 176: Perfume, Tattoos, and Skateboards with D.S. & Durga's Co-Founder

Fat Mascara

40:36 min | 1 year ago

Ep 176: Perfume, Tattoos, and Skateboards with D.S. & Durga's Co-Founder

"Hey guys it's that Mascara and it's JEN minus jess who is in L. A. Visiting her friend but I have a fun Co host David Seth Smoltz what's up yeah he's here so we're GonNa talk about topics at the top like we usually do and then do an interviewed David. David is the CO founder of Durga fragrances so he's going to be our big interview but before that he's GonNa play podcast co host okay so the things we're going to talk about first I up can the street where model of selling move its way into the beauty industry and then David and I share a love of tattoos so we're GonNa talk about Tattoo who care but also really just inc an artist okay. Let's get into it. Hey guys it's jess okay big news Sephora beauty beauty insider community. Have you checked it out yet. Okay so I've discovered it and I've gone into an absolute like rabbit hole of chatting with other people checking out people's look. CD You can take a picture and upload your own is very exciting. You can even chat with brands. 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You would have no idea there were silver in there and then I mean I'm not saying I washed them less often but you can 'cause they're silver. Yeah just like a nice you know gives you peace of mind it does and Sylvan is giving our listeners twenty percent off just visit Sylvan home dot com. That's S. I. L. V. O. N. Home Dot Com and enter the Promo Code Fat Mascara. That's twenty percent off its Slovan Home Dot Com with the Code Fat Mascara so David and I read this article business business of fashion what beauty can learn from st where I thought of you and I read this article because I don't know if you remember this you have a lovely store down the leader for Durga and I got there one day to look at some new fragrance and you had this t shirt that I had seen on instagram unlike cool people but I didn't know where it came from and it was really exclusive and it said said to me yeah it's made with our friends monitoring. I know so I was like he knows about this. This model of selling wherein the exclusivity is the thing right great so I guess it's supposedly is but I had a long like think about this. After I gotta say like I don't know if this is cool but contrary to that article I I really think in terms of like inclusion I am not like our our brand is what it is and we wanna make fun little things as say like texture items. Just like you know just because we can and it's fun things to do but I would. I don't like the idea of being like only this people can have but like anyone who walks in the store. I'd love to talk to them about fragrance or they can email or like I just really believe in like pushing perfume and like the art of perfume to more people so so the writer who was Rachel Stugotz she was talking about how glossy kind of in on this like actually you're kind of near their their space downtown. They have lines out out the door. The way that like footlocker does when there's new shoe drop or traffic looks to pre premium one yeah yeah so listen if it's not manufactured if it just happens like a is walking by supreme in London last week and it takes you a while because you see these lines and you're like what is that like supreme store why why is it so there's only like two people in the store at once and they wait. Why can't you allow like twenty people in the store or or ten? I just don't understand it if it's manufactured than I feel like that's not that fair to the consumer but if it's because like in supremes case like everyone does want this limited thing then I totally do get it so if it happened that you know we made something in there was like a lie and you have to do it fine but I don't I wouldn't WanNa go personally with the model of making I do like making like small limited things again for fun but I wouldn't WanNa do it to like as a business as a business model to exclude anyone. That's the thing I also think as I was reading this they were talking about. Melanin gets did a a line with kith. AH DID ESTEE LAUDER. I was like the minute you start talking about. This is Your Business Philosophy. You immediately become true or not true like Oh. I'm only GONNA to make one hundred of these and then you actually tell the pressure only making one hundred then every kind of like you suck yeah I guess again. I feel like if you're doing Senate for the buzz and not it's very different because one of the things makes our companies are different is that I really am the perfumer and Kavi really is the designer right so we are like making this like art piece thing that we love this story and then they presenting it to you whereas traditionally a perfume brand is more like someone has ideas and they go to a perfumer Mer and they're like hey. Can you make something that smells like my grandmother's house in the sixties or whatever and that person doesn't know the grandma has never been there they translate that person's idea so they are our marketing. Someone else's like art and so you have to think of it in terms of like you know. How are we gonNA market this thing whereas ours we're not thinking like I need to market this onto that person? It's this thing I made that I love and want to share so it's you know what about that T. shirt back that see shirt who made the t shirts that's our good friends. Monitors and I've always wanted to make a these t shirts that say like Iheart vetiver like I wanted it to be like the New York like her New York and like Pachulia misunderstood and like just little like things about perfume and there was going to be an old one and Lisa mayock came up with that and she said Teacher Company called Monogram Studio. They'RE OUT IN L. A. Their incredible credible I mean really so their t shirts or like really great fitting and for me like I just had the idea of like the look but they're the quality is so thin and nice and everything gang and so she did did that like very graphic like me the way it looks but you know like when it sold out it sold out but it wasn't like a on purpose. We're only making a few. It was just like we did this thing with our friends. Yeah you're not buying into this. Model is what I hear. You saying. That's fine yeah listen. I street wears red eye wear. You're like Jays and I I. I love hip hop in that whole culture so I I'm totally interested in making sense based on like hip hop or sports or skateboarding like I have many ideas in that realm so like stylistically I love it so if supreme came to you and your and they were like we wanna make the Durga skateboard them in addition decks yeah. Let's do it Okay David. How's it? How's it been being the CO host so far? It's really fun. We should give you podcast. Yeah Okay in the next you are both that's why I asked you to come on this town trying very hard to talk slow though every single time I hear myself on podcast man. I'm just like yes and high pitched. I just heard I think also I might just be over caffeinated. Sometimes I talk really. Let's have a nice she'll tattoo chat tattoos. It's to talk with David and Jen Surf your water. That's okay so I noticed this about you. Actually News about Kaveh Your Wife I. She has some Amazing Inc.. I love her snake on her hand but you also have a lot of tattoos right. Have you been getting them me not as long she's Adam since she was very young me only four years ago. Oh really forget you. Where's coffee she? I know I'll tell you this I worked at Saint Helen's Cafe Faye when saved open and Scott Campbell's attached to everyone for free and I like just didn't fuck so severely I guess he was trying not to curse it. That's okay Scott Campbell's apparently making dollar bills into art and they're selling for like he was doing that even back then he was he was tattooing the inside of eggshells that guy is like one want to the one unbelievably talented artists like CG attitude but just straight up artist on wheel. Do you have any work from him away. He wouldn't even answer my email. Okay Okay so if you've only been getting tattoos for years I'm curious because I just got a new tattoo and for the first time when they gave me after care I got this stuff called I think it was called sheeting like senator shouting and it was like Oh yeah I've seen that did you. Have you ever gotten nestle. No okay so it's like a clear sheet that they usually they just like put the Gauze ause on it and whatever clear sheet they put over top this. You're gonNA like this so she's like okay. You know your usual two to three days before you can wash it. She said it's going to start to look like a broken soya sauce packet in there so it like Jews up the juices but then normally that would go on the gauze rights reason though like that this is sure reasons senator sheeting. It's just a lot of this is very in our life just way too much over thinking you know copy. Does nothing literally okay so I used to do nothing in most Artis Chris I think it depends on the studio like the less you do the better you don't need special products you want to keep it moisturizes but not to moisturised clean it well with non fragrant in soap after three days. Battling boom stuff was really cool because I could get it I could go in the shower and it wouldn't get wet and when I finally peels it off three days later here it was like it was already in the fees. Do you know what I mean and then normally it was quicker. I think it was definitely quicker than if you do nothing scabs over pretty quick I find signed but I see so. I'm going to start picking it the little scab yeah me too and then you attach a I know so what do you do well so I just follow my instincts where where where I if it feels really raw. I personally do want cream. I want like lotion or whatever on it like epic oil like I just put like you know like an olive oil oil coconut oil but then if if you do that obviously it's delaying like getting crispy right yeah so like if you can hold out but it's there's nothing worse that last night when you're going to sleep and like rubbing on the pillow buy Thi I my back like huge piece on her back so little join asleep oh that that feels painful. Who did your big back piece Mika Singer? Oh she's great. She's my Fav- I mean she does most of my tattoos and we have collaborated. We do this tattoo residency at attias Durga. We tell me about this. What is that yet so we we've done it twice now? We're GONNA do it like quarterly and we we've done it with her where she makes flash inspired by our sense of his little thing and so if you buy a bottle that day you come in you buy a bottle you can get a free tattoo. You can pick like you know Alfred debase or there's an eyeball being sliced with a with a nice. These aren't the little drawings that Kavi draws to go on the like car things and whatever no no she does your own version. It's it's MINGKA's making the flash so there is like an acorn like a skull for like Mississippi Messing with sneak coming out of it. They're so awesome. I haven't been able to get them from her because it's like that there's a line out the door and it sells out by one pm this guy did your podcast hosts already so let me ask this. was there more public where people picking their scent based on the flash that they wanted to re- were you seeing they bought their for fragrance and whatever pictures like they're like. This is my favorite scent. I'm so into the Senate. I'm getting the flash flash for it and then some yeah I think it was more than that. The visual thing 'cause it wasn't everyone it was we didn't she didn't do for everyone. Although after we do a few times hopefully she'll have the flash for all of them. Then we did a mother's Day one where it was all I cou like mom things and like flowers and like hearts and moms and stuff so it's really about like that flash and you do that right there in the store yeah it's and you're storing ALITA. has those great windows like get double. I'd be standing outside will more question this. Were there any like Tattoo. Virgins regions and there I had to is like a Durga too. I think there was someone no way I think there was also like our president that we hired she got she came in and got a tattoo from Inca. Her first one is amazing. She has no other tattoos. You can never fire this woman. which when did she get to remember that she got a feather unarm okay and so when people left there they just like Gaza whenever the typical because they're small you can only do one every thirty or forty minutes so it sold out by basically one PM nice? When's the next next residency We'll definitely do unlike probably November October November so okay if people want to find out about that or if some other equinoxes event in the future what's the website dot com got it okay or you know our instrument okay cool. Are you ready for the interview Hashtag. Get ready everyone here we go. We're interrupting in your favorite beauty podcast. I'm Jen. I'm jess. What are we talking about Sephora? They have this beauty insider community that I have been absolutely like stuck in. It's addictive. Here's the scoop it's an online community comprised of forums photo guys live chats product reviews. 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Bring on the Leopard prints bring on those yummy autumnal colors. I'm here for it but I am not going to be spending my whole savings on a brand new wardrobe. I'm just going to sign up for Harvard. Ash Hadash lets you create a virtual closet and and then you can select three items at a time and they'll send you the clothes he can run them as often as you like swap them in and out and the whole thing's only fifty nine dollars plus. If you fall in love with something you can buy it for a discounted price which is really nice so head over to have her dash dot com sign up today and there are no commitments and you can cancel at any time time okay so if you don't know who I'm talking to yet you do now. It's David Seth malts. He he is the CO founder of Durga Niche Fragrance brand your other co founders your wife Kavi who that's the last name got it okay. It's not Durga no does and her nickname. Oh cute okay so before we start our interview I wanted to. We like to do little flash around sort of I'm going to take you on a cent journey or actually you're. You're GonNa take me on a journey a little short questions okay so describe to me the smell or the first that comes to mind when I list off a few places ready uh-huh New York City in early October which is when this podcast is airing. What is New York's Melik? Can we be more specific about where we are in New York too huge city. That's very true. Okay right outside your house when you come outside the door. I don't know where you live. Okay bed Stuy in early October. I mean you're going to get that dried leaf smell right. If it's nighttime. It has a bacon tinge to like my cat used to come inside in the wintertime. I grew up north of Boston in the suburbs and you smell his for and his smell a little bit like bacon like fall night. It's crazy as the name of the CRAISINS CR- crystal like CR. ESPN like oh well yeah. That's that's the smell of like the smoky Tari Smell. Isn't there like a Bush in the out west. That is smells like that and has yeah is it. The same smell l. No creosote smells like desert rain. It's a really weird smell. We have the scent L. Cosmic. Oh and it's their favorite from there you go so is in that I mean not the accord of Greece and it smells bazaar like really green overly fresh though it is the sense of when it rains in the desert because this is the name of the chemical that the green plants give off in the rain cruel okay we'll. Do you answer the question a question. I didn't even know I had because you think increase increase and then people are also thinking creosote is the word for like a tar left over like oil and it's not the same okay see sometimes those aroma molecules sounds like the Latin root helps me remember there. They are the same okay good to know all right the inside of your car but then I realized maybe you don't even have a car but yeah we do have a car car. What is it well? We had the nineteen five mercedes-benz turbo diesel. That's why we have that. Kendall called eighty-five diesel. It smells like that okay so it's that's a crazy smell right street legal eagle and eighty five diesel yeah off the street now though but so that's diesel now we just drive like a Honda CR V. and it smells like snacks kids snacks Goldfish Grom fish crumbs okay nice what's the smell of the best hotel you've ever visited. And what hotel was it the best hotel I stayed at I mean the my edvin palace in Jodhpur India okay or the lake palace in for the Lake Palace. I like better but the the one in Judah pour injured more the the the palace. Yes called the whom I above and I mean it's like staying in Buckingham Palace. It's in Saint. What does it feel like in there so it smells like a really like jazz mini incense like like Super Indian incense cool beautiful in fact the Maharaja still lives in the building is half the Maharaja still lives there today and half of it is Oh is Chris Nice? Okay the Fat Mascara Studio that you're in right now. The the sound prevent yes. It has like a very specific like you know like movie theater type smell. Oh Hey hey it's. It's like a synthetic carpet. We need to get a candle always Chalky Chawki in here jockey. That's it yeah all right there. You Go now. Let's get into it just on the same note. What's the earliest sent memory you have definitely lemon soap soap in the in the shop like you would take like spices and mess with stuff in the sink and so I can remember that smell of the like the lemon soap in there but also I grew up with woods right behind my parents house that had that bacon smell that we're talking about of like you know leaves but the ocean was right down the street like you know half a mile and so my town is such that you around two or three o'clock like a seabreeze always comes up and it smells like the ocean? It's omnipresent where you know it's in swamps got Massachusetts so the ocean would be like to me like not only the first childhood memory but it also has that like primordial like thing the ocean and your origin story the slow getting into your origin story actually Aren't you a musician like how did you even even get into perfumery so yeah I was like as a musician waiting tables and we started. I wanted to just make some of my I you got all these old manuals of making creams and lotions and tonics and I wanted to make a bedroom I had this didn't last and I was like why can't it just make it myself so I bought like rum and spices and Megan and it didn't last why doesn't this last and so I started. I'm just like an obsessive person as far as like creatively I will go down a rabbit hole Poland figure it out so that I just started getting oils and then synthetics and just like it. I went so deep into it and Kavi who was my girlfriend at the time was like why why don't we just start a business. Everyone's doing it. It was like you know it was in Brooklyn and like two thousand and nine like just put an percent on exactly like every it happened and Co like everything. was you know it was like that and our friends had started businesses jewelry and close ties shoes you know so and then I thought okay so we did that and it took off really quickly and then I slowly realize like oh wow I can sort of translate what I'm want to talk about in in music into fragrance and as I became better at at putting the hours into understanding how to create fragrance you know that could sort of talk about it even better in music no matter what if I wanna make a song that sort of China sound like Thirteenth Eighteen Century Viking music you'll probably be able to tell like I'm a white guy from America that mostly plays in four four time and like grew up knowing the blues like I can't get rid of that but if I make something that smells like Thirteenth Century Viking sent like I'm not in it. You can't tell I did it could more. I can make that realistically smells like an Old Castle like an old hut type thing you know I love. I feel like there's more creative power in in that that I that I can like maybe even do more. I mean I'll always always want I still make music just came out with an album last year. I made sense that go along with its command. It's on spotify. H I K O men and I'm in a Surf Band you know we played at the store and set so I'm like never going to give up that dream. It's it comes up every once in a while and I also so just write music all the time like I probably have written five hundred songs in my life. I have so many songs and so so you're basically a self top perfumers when so I feel like if someone was wanting to get into perfumery would you recommend that route yeah I would say just if you have the love for it then yeah by as many materials Israel's as possible. Get a scale and write down every single thing that you did all the perfume is at the end of the day is the difference in weight between materials. I I wish someone had told me that 'cause I created a whole system that was based on volume and volume changes as as it's hotter or drier in the air but I measured out in drops how many things could fit into like eighth a teaspoon all the way up to like cups and gallons of every single oil because they were all different but let's just oils sales but also you were ordering him imagining like anything anything that I was making so. It's just like if if any perfumers they'd laugh like it's ridiculous what I was doing so all these base formulas. If you go to perfumery school you can look you can learn stuff online and everything I think it is a matter of like training your nose understand and even when you do figure out how to make something the big hurdle is regulatory stuff. You can't just make something in your house because and put twenty percent jasmine and like most most people don't know you can only put point six percent jasmine in a perfume so that wasn't the case like before. I think two thousand twelve right. Why did they change that? You know you're like Benzyl. Alcohol is something it's in there and it's a sensitisers so some things are just 'cause like a certain amount of the population can have a sensitivity to it or an allergic reaction. Some of it is because it's carcinogenic agenda some because when you go out in the sun it could give you a rash so the board that makes these rules if Ross is trying to put their best foot forward and make perfume as safe as possible for people right but there's a huge disconnect between what the consumer knows and what like a hobby perfumer know what someone who really makes perfect yeah. I've dabbled in then realized Oh wow I probably just made this thing. That could probably kill someone because some of those molecules are really well. Oh it's the opposite. The molecules are fine if the naturals are actually the people think like oh all natural must be safe like you know white. Birch oil is extremely toxic but if you you know I so he's super like velvet tone not not so much you know but white white Birch is your winter green or I mean Al- Almost all regulations that come out these days is about naturals. It's about a chemical within natural. Your body doesn't doesn't care if you put methyl usual directly on your skin or you put rose has methyl eugenol. It's the methyl Eugenol that causes a reaction for someone okay so we have to go in and either clean like Di Molecular still the rose and take out the methyl eugenol or you have to build a rose record. That doesn't have that in it you know or there's a safety threshold. It's it's a whole hole so if you're thinking about something then I'll get back on track with the self with self taught pre perfumery if you're looking at something like rose like how many of those types of molecules make up like what you'd think of as rose smell. Oh Yeah it's interesting. I don't know the answer to how many chemicals make up like completed rose but I understand very very much how to make a rose accord and I will say that you need something that smells like lemons cloves geraniums and violets and then sort of this this the Damask owns which is like an apple juicy type smell. If you have those together you start getting towards like rose and so much of perfume is like a house of cards parts you like add another card and it makes seem like the roses there. If you take out one that would fall apart and I'm sure in the right volume you can have three of this three this three this but if you put for one on that smells completely different case so if you go to school for years and years and years and you get the books where there's the basic formulas like here's a rose. Here's how you build a cords. The now that you mix in perfumery world you guys are like up for awards and things when you run into perfumers that went to gross and they did the whole rigmarole. Do you ever have tension with them or they ever looked down upon do things no listen. There's more astronauts in our perfumers right there so that true there's so few fruit few people who actually make make perfume know how to make the formulas there's just not that many and so literally the people that I've met like mark box extent Sean Lee Peregrine I mean all these people know they're they don't they don't tend to have the craziest ego. That's the way they're like portrayed uh-huh but I don't think so as they if you're making a perfume and putting it out aren't you a perfumer like who cares like Joe. Sacha Yanni and and Keith Richards is always example. Who's a better guitar player? Joe Saturday on here Keith Richards well. I'm going to go with Keith Richards because I have no idea who the other guy is okay well. That's funny so yeah. Joseph Johnny plays four million notes. A minute and technically you know is like guitar guitarist like this like these people who play like a million nodes band that I may right now. It's probably called his name j-o-s-e out Yanni musician though in Guitar magazine they'd be like he's one of the best guitarist ever but Keith Richards who plays like you know. I don't think he's sloppy like yeah but you could practice and learn to play Joe such Yanni your you can't learn how to play Keith Richards or link wray or muddy waters utters or East Bay ray joe sat triana perfume or Keith Richards. I mean come on either. One is going to sound like a big ego. I'm staying away from that one but let's say it doesn't matter I just if I make if you make it you you do it you are if you make music musicians Macra femural perfumer but so and I don't I think the perfumers who are trained care. I've only met one other like self top performer in and he works at furnish so I've met a lot of people that are self taught perfume. I and I'll tell you this a lot of shit to be perfectly honest and I think the rare thing is that this company but actually people buy your stuff and it's gotten bigger and bigger over the last ten years. What's been the biggest challenge for you like you're like okay? I knew the smell good but getting it into a bottle and the regulation stuff you're like in the beginning. Yes listen. I can put twenty percent jazz in almost anything anybody smells really good so that's like a an easy trick. It probably would have fly flown ten years ago but it's not how it is anymore. You have to follow certain regulations right and so to be able to know how to make something that smells like it has twenty percent. Jasmine does not takes a lot of like know how to figure that out so we've been talking a lot about you mentioned that can this eight hundred Palate Oregon. What do you call it the organism okay? How many of those do you think are natural versus? How many of those are just like pure molecular synthetic things ordered on the interwebs which is not probably Kelly how you do it right yeah? That's I'd have to think I mean at least fifty fifty but but yeah I mean synthetics are somewhat more important to the art of perfume than naturals but you could you could never purely synthetic fragrances pretty drab in lots of ways other like we make a are sent. I don't know what which is now our bestseller. Oh really isn't that so you can do it and then that one of the molecule ones that everybody likes molecule q one two three four those or purely synthetic. I'm asking this question because there's a lot of talk about trying to natural perfume marine a lot of people thinking like the the one ingredient oriented they think is the most bothersome that could cause allergies that might have an estrogen effects cancerous synthetic fragrance because you don't know what's in it so the very opposite everything you said just care is all most of the problems go read any like aromatherapy book. Almost there's like a list like don't give this for pregnant people. The naturals is it's just chemicals again like uh packers will acetate is naturally present here or there is a natural like oh I extracted this from the plant and premier is going to be really tough to okay first and foremost what most people expect their perfume to smell like is not what a natural provincials number one so they'll and it's stronger at the front and lasts less okay so a a good perfume should be like pleasant in the front and last quite a while so it's kind of inverse to that right like whoa. This is crazy muddy. Oh it lasted two hours so already you're getting that and the perception sometimes is like I spent spent some this much money this amount of money on it it should last long as if as if like the more something cost the last year long the longer it lasts. Take that yet but it's just it's just not true militarily speaking right I mean the things that lasts the longest on your skin are like crazy industrial cheap like aldehydes type stuff right the a dash of it lasts forever so that that you have to get over number one that but safety is oh. My God put an all-natural perfume into like a safety check the you can't use point six percent jasmine. You can use six percent vetiver point one percent oak moss point one percent rose and a lot of ways point six. I think for Lang Lang Lang I think of as like one of the healthier sweet oils in the world like I smell it on a plane to calm down. I would wear it on my skin but you're not supposed to you can only put in our formula that Costa market. You can only have point six percent. I it in there right. So what you're getting is that when you're working only with naturals you're limiting way down what the regulatory is limited. The cost is going to be exorbitant. Okay from from like can environmental sourcing perspective. It's not like to responsible compared to synthetics which can be you know sustainably right Reno of course there are practices like Robert A and I have really cool programs for sustainable naturals you know and so I use those all the time but so it's not not necessarily better for the environment use natural. It's not necessarily better healthwise. I believe now some people believe differently but yes those statements I agree with personal. Do you think if the people who make label ingredients you know just perform right now like inky standard labeling. Do you think if we were we had to break down into everything that's in it. It would benefit the customer in any way I've thought about doing it so so it's it's hard because there's such proprietary information and and the fragrance companies themselves who make the aroma chemicals they don't want like too much oversight and they're spending so much money doing like the safety testing and it's not like to go to market it has to be really like sound and it's all like certified by in order to do it. What does it for a stand for by the way he's been nap before international fragrance and research association somebody like that will oh? They're super important at the boards of it. Are I usually people from these these companies and what happened so how could a government regulate Alpha Alpha methyl I on on that. They don't even know what that is right so only the people who who make it connect and that's why we're not getting all that information proprietary also also people always use the were chemical. They're like ours. Their chemicals like chemicals bad like you know waters a chemical like everything you put in your body has chemical is not a bad term and synthetic to like I. I think it's really misunderstood. Got It so fragrances what you're hear you saying are more regulated on the front and then even like a face cream would be because of IFRA because you know you don't have to face groups. Don't get tested before people are allowed to sell them. They only pull them back. If there's a reaction but these a face cream is is is the highest of the highest cat so there's eleven categories of regulation right yeah and face cream. I think is like number two number one is like babies toys like children's toys but it's not like they had to go. Do you have to do safety testing but it's not like they tested on a bunch of because nobody does. Nobody know the governor that the company has to do with human repeat. There's you know like FDA tested this before it went to market. You do have to do a for cosmetics. You have to have attested yeah. Oh okay. What do you think I'm asking is? Do you think that for fragrances that you're more likely to have an a safety issue with another product other than fragrances or it's it's what's safe because like are people really like dying. That's a part of me thinks it's very much like overthinking in the kind of stuff right because were that well. I think we're very prone to question everything now right. We don't believe anyone or anything and people think like corporations are evil and that kind the whole thing and so you think that like being screwed over and it's like for like economy or people are putting like a unsafe say things but to me like people. Will I feel like I hope that you know I trust in like people and people are trying to do the best they can. In fact I would think it's much more dangerous to I mean it's not dangerous interest me but a handmade perfume someone's house or they distilled some oil from a tree that they found in a forest near their house like that is bonkers curse. That's not like how could anyone regulate that. Maybe that that thing was sprayed with. you know what yeah pesticides has two sides right and then it's going like who knows it and then they put so much carcinogenic things in there and and you really don't know so I took us way off Savak exile but I think it's so interesting because like the labeling thing like transparency. It's it's hard to go that route with molecule names that would take up the whole box anyway anyway yeah a Lotta Times their trade names right like someone discovers. A molecule is super one which is like di Di Methyl Jasmine. It's a much longer name. Isolate super is how they marketed it yeah right so it's how would you even go about him. Yeah okay back on track. What perfume came out in in recent years that you wish you had created the I? I do not think like that you don't there's nothing you admire at elsewhere. I admire things but I I don't have like okay. So what do you admire. That isn't from your brand. Oh sure tons I mean I like a lot of Frederick frequencies. I mean dummy groping. He makes amazing. Things like like portrait of a lady. I would say I think is is amazing thing. I wish I made that. That's a great great okay awesome yeah. It's amazing and what's your. What's your ingredient that challenges? Do you want to figure out to do something with. What's what's on your mind for the future man I don't know or what or place I know you? A lot of your fragrances have like US landscapes. I mean I have a million things I want to come out with a really good orange blossom been working on that. It's supposed to be done this month and October and then it's it's GonNa come out supposed to be done. Are you the one in charge yet but I've just like that's the deadline for like to show the sense to like press and stuff and I'm like not done with the yet. Even you're still tinkering still tinkering. It's it's it's a rabbit hole. 'cause it's GonNa be like you know our marketing marketing team of China be like Chemo Center yet to try to like make it by that time and listen I would've I'm usually way ahead of schedule but I've just gone down this rabbit hole because I want it to be. It's an enhancer thing like I don't know what where you can floor allies anything you can like an orange blossom what has like that orange blossom water type aspect which just like in livens Vince everything else it touches okay but doesn't but it's very like you know transparent and you could wear it by yourself or you could like enliven something else with it challenging. Ah Okay you said you're not a makeup person but we always like to end our interviews. With what are some of your favorite beauty products okay rooming products fine. You must have stuff in your hair. What's going on yeah? I love this on I. I don't know what this means. It's billy jealousy ever heard of them. Okay Yeah because they sell it at like the the haircut place that I go to Georgia's to in park slope shout out to them. They're awesome Georgia's to Georgia's one. It's like demonstrate from it I I it's right near the barklays man. They're the best okay and they have. They have this billy. Jealousy is called L. Mud because it's Matt Matt amount I really I really like that. generally people give us so much beauty products right and so we just like I'll just use that. I don't who are people who just walking up to you and giving you beauty products like Jordan Samuel who that is he has like an amazing line. He's given us a bunch of products that spend with me for a long time. I basically like Boris. Oh Guy Right. I Love Bar soap but I don't use much like I wouldn't wash. Ah I wash my face with a bar soap and everything I will if need like us like oil like aftershave or something there is something by I think they're called are Inco- yes. That's the hair brands well. They had this like this aftershave like oil thing. That smells like pine is really good and I I've just running out of it. Someone gave it to me for free like five years ago and like I'm GonNa buy this again at that is putting on the bog. Okay guess what our time is up done. How do we do was great is this? I'm on being your first co host auto podcast. Okay thanks for coming in. It's time for raising wand which I just pulled on you at the last minute so I don't know if you're prepared but you know what it's all about. What are you going to raise the one to this band Fontaine's? DC Fun Tab you know why do we need to listen to this banner. God it's there from Ireland from Dublin Okay and it's just like like great rock and roll. That's like not super super original but has like very original things about it. He sings in Irish accent unbelievably. Good lyrics likely zero pretension. They're so awesome I Osama bowery and I'm just like this. They're going to be huge. That's awesome okay. Well guess what I asked you what you really want to and I didn't have one prepared. We're going to end on that amazing. Thank you for the recommendation. Yeah thanks David. Thanks for listening fat. Mascara is produced by our

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Episode 370: Kings vs. Blackhawks 2014 Rewatch

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Episode 370: Kings vs. Blackhawks 2014 Rewatch

"In two thousand and three nike signed thirteen-year-old freddie due to a seven figure contracts. But freddie didn't live up to the height he is turned down every single documentary project looking closely at the details of his career. Until now we're going to look at everything you did because of the hype surrounding your arrival. And what they think you can be. I'm grant wall. And this is american prodigy. Freddy do from blue. I or podcasts Pressing to the means twenty fifty. It's the hockey pedia. Cast with your host dimitri philipovich. Welcome to hockey. Pedio cast dimitrova povich and joining. Me is my good buddy jordan. Samuels thomas jordan goodman nothing just Enjoy my time here. In san diego obviously played here for a couple of years. So it's that time of year where everything it's cold but it's not too bad here so this enjoying the time not on the ice right now. Well i gave you some homework for your first appearance on the podcast and it's At least those watching a game was watched some tape. It was and it was a good one at that. Where you and i are going to do the rewatch of chicago. La from the two thousand fourteen west finals game seven in particular. But i guess we'll start off here because this is a good kind of introduction point for us let's not it up with sort of the legacy of this game where or when when i pitched you this idea you're pretty fired up to do with me. what what is your your your memories of this this series this point of time in hockey. Where were you at personally sort of just like getting into dipping your toes into the water here with with this particular game series. What are sort of the lasting impressions and kind of the the where where you end of it. Personally like for me. Like i was just Finishing up my master's at quinnipiac I would. I would actually want him. Getting trained to buffalo from winnipeg like a month after this but this was the series is particularly interesting to me. Because i grew up big. La chains fan Not necessarily as. I'm from california which i'm not but Just their style of hockey that that big power for six three can do have a little bit of everything that can score claes block shots and elliott a lot of them. So i know just for me When house you know develop my developing my game at quinnipiac and just try to work to be a pro. I was just like this organization is like they probably had five or six players who were like perfect in terms of a player that i wanna be and So i always enjoy watching the kings whether it's the run twelve or One that we're talking about today in fourteen just at the heavy style of play Dominant methodical a hard play against you know where you down if we do. Go game seven Hopefully you know the hard nosed play would pay dividends in terms of wearing the other team down and you know they just keep going there. Machines so That's kind of the background. How i looked at it then and then just now it's Just just to watch a well oiled machine. Kings were on how they battled through different adversity Especially going against a team. Like the hawks challenge them speed wise and skill wise. It's it was really fun to go back and watch that game. Yeah i think you hit the nail on the head there. Particle makes this matchup sort of legendary or so aesthetically pleasing and kind of adds to the drama is those stylistic differences the kind of make the fight right where you see it captured so perfectly in this game where the kings pretty much. Every time i think. I i know they score ones off the rush but otherwise like you can tell that every single time. They're coming down with the puck. They wanna get it below the goal line and they'll throw the body and try to win back possession and keep it down there and kind of ground and pound and sort of Just not allow chicago to go. The other way with speed off the rush whereas the blackhawks are built entirely differently where they wanna get more into that track. Meet run and gun. And there's a few instances throughout the game and highlighted them. We'll talk about that more later. Where and it was because l. a. kind of had to score so they opened up a bit and you could see the game starts to slip away from them where she goes clearly favored in that in that environment in that setting and then they quickly got back in and that sort of speaks to how well oh the machine. They were that they were able to keep them sort of in their grasp for the most part and kind of make them play the game. They wanted to play. But it's so evident watching this. Just how stylistically different teams are. I'm sure their game plans. Were polar opposites in terms of you know before the game and during the meetings where the coaches are telling them what they want accomplish tonight. I imagined they were a complete one eighty each other. Yeah definitely i mean it's funny because you bring up just how you know. La wasn't really looking to do too much op garage. They get in. They worked there for tax. Which is makes it really. Tough for the demand especially for the more active demand on the blackhawks. Like you know or keith. Where they're going to wear them down with the four check. And i think on both sides i think both teams chose quality scoring chances over quantity obviously There were a couple weird angle weird bounce goals at chicago scored. But i think they both chose quality scoring chances. Just general is it just went about it in a different way chicago. You know they would do it. Kind of just generalizing saying like a russian stop but the mike patrick kane was easy for him to pull up and You know to gretzky fall for a better option or you know side doing the same thing and then you have. La where they're not necessarily pulling it up if they don't like off the rush they'll put it in on the goal line they'll be heavy on their d. and they'll just grind on you along the walls along the different boards and you know and when they had the opportunity strike or bring to the net they did so and they were just hard to play I think when. I think what's hard to play against and heavy hockey. I mean this this team you know for that you know really five six year span. I mean that's i think that's the example on kind of gold standard of the quote unquote heavy hockey. It was. I do think it kind of lead people astray a little bit in terms of trying to copy it and sort of replicated where it's easy to lose sight of the fact that while dr jeff carter certainly have big bodies. They'll sore incredibly gifted offensive players as well who can capitalize on those opportunities when they do get control the possession and so You know it's great to be able to play that good brand hockey but if you don't have the requisite skill to back it up and you're you're ultimately kind of one dimensional sort of not accomplishing what you're striving to do. Yeah definitely a guy. Like while i kings gray and i got to meet him during my time just within the organization in the american league but i mean he's a good example of a guy you know he fit you know he fit in that system and i mean and i never played in the nhl but like in terms of fitness key fit in that system. Where you know gets bounced around elsewhere and like doesn't really have a place the nhl right zoe. There's definitely you know there's a handful of guys that just fit perfect there and the ideals and a culture that they're looking for but not necessarily working with other teams so i i mean i definitely agree where you know. You see different gossip that have success and then you know it's not necessarily their other way because it's not conducive to their game. It's not as simple not as machine. Mike as as the kings were back and watching these games. I've done about ten or so. These reliable is now in for the most part. I think my success rate of picking quality games has been pretty good. I think with this one. It's clearly a classic in the sense of of all the drama. And all the storylines heading into whenever you you're picking a game and going back and re watching something from five six. Maybe even ten years ago this especially the nhl product has changed so much that. You're not sure how it's going to hold up over time and whether it's gonna look like an entirely different game than what we're used to these days and i think this one certainly help for the most part maybe just like from a quality perspective. It wasn't as good as i thought it was going to be. Just because of if like most of the goals were as you alluded to kind of like not random balances. Because that's what ocoee is all about. But there'd be just like balance all someone in his. Jonathan days will be wide. Open there for to happen. And you'd had that a couple times and it wasn't necessarily the super high end skill plays that you typically expect when you get to this stage in the postseason warrior in the west final. A game seven especially a game. Go to overtime. That kind of like attrition starts to to come into play. And i think we saw that in this one so the drama was certainly there in the stakes. Were there but there was a lot of throwing the puck around and hoping that it landed in the right spot for you to tap it in or kind of just especially if there was one one goal where patrick sharp coming off the rush and it just. It's a random ed spot in the ice and bounces jonathan quick pad. And you know certainly shooters shoot. Patrick sharp shoots a lot and when you do you're going to get the benefit of the dow like that but it's not one that i think when he's retelling. That story has grandkids. He's probably telling a different story than how it actually went in. Yeah it's funny like the game is definitely watching it This last week. It's definitely different than i remembered it. I what just watching you just kinda get lost in. Just how big the swings were the you know with l. a. constantly fighting back from behind and then just You know pull even and then you know that kind of goes to saying before about just you know physical and mental wear that they have on opposing teams. I also was taken back to Just you know as much as i love that brand of hockey and was that was essentially my game. Like how like you know it. It's funny like the few games that year. And i was just thinking like you know you can't even you can't play like that twenty twenty you know like and it's crazy. How much two games evolve. Since then and i. I mean i feel like i've experienced that my career like i've played that way in the game certainly certainly changed and i think if anything like you said like you know you see people trying to copycat that and you can't in. It's definitely losing proposition. I think what you do see it for sure. Is that no matter how skilled the game is. Or how fast the game is you need that obviously. La's maybe in. This instance was a more extreme example of that having like those heavy components. And obviously you already touched on a guy like cho petar Sprinkling ghabra actually forgot. Who was on a team that year. And and carter but you know. I think what we've seen in past coupla since then every day you you you do need that line that you know two three guys whether it's like tampa bay this year going out to a coleman goudreau that pocket you need some physical presence in some capacity to wear down the opponent both physically and mentally so. I think if anything that i learned is that maybe how kings did it can't be replicated but the need for that type of presence and that type of relentlessness is something that's need it for team day achieve the ultimate goal. Yeah i think it's part. I mean it's definitely by design like a. Wanted to play that way. I think they felt like they had to their their brand regardless of the opponent. But especially against this blackhawks team. They couldn't afford to to play into their hands and so it was interesting. Seeing that pushing were a couple of times you finally saw them just going back and forth and trading chances and you could tell they were kinda like out of their comfort zone and wanted to real back in and so kudos to them for accomplishing that but I'm going to set the scene here a little bit for our listeners. Just to kind of jog our memories in terms of what was going on here because the reason why we picked this game in this series. And why i think it is a classic is these two teams. Were sort of jockeying for western conference or maybe even nhl supremacy for those early twenty tens where they were kind of trading championships. They accounted for five of the six stanley cups. Twenty ten to two thousand fifteen. This was a rematch from the year. Prior where the blackhawks. One in five games in the west final ruth stanley cup but that was a much more closely contested series. Where chicago one in in double. Ot in game five to to finish that series really closely competitive and then so you have chicago now. Defending their championship. The stylistic differences we mentioned a game seven ot which is obviously always a crowd pleaser. And i think when. I was trying to teleport myself back in time to the kind of head space. We are in thinking about this series in sort of the the magnitude of it. It really reminded that felt like this was basically the stanley cup. You didn't want to discredit what. The rangers were accomplishing out east. But they were this team where they were just riding henrik lundqvist. They didn't have a single player was sixty point. Stats and i believe mats zuccarello lead them offensively with fifty nine points for the entire year and it felt like they were going to be overmach regardless of the opponent so you had just kind of going back into the fourth trading haymakers and it felt like a. You never want to overlook bone. And i'm sure. Have you talked to anyone in. Need those two rooms. They would have said we're purely doing. This is the final. We'll deal with rangers when we get there. But i'm sure it was kind of like minds that there's something bigger play here if we get i this opponent it'll probably be the test for us so the west final in theory kind of was for all the marbles and that's what made this series in this game feels like so much more dramatic than you would otherwise believe it to be a perfectly because it took me to rwasa game day even on my cou who do they even play. Finally doc said. The new york's waiting for whoever wins s. But if i near that i would have guessed a million different teams forty seven new york but yeah like the the stage was definitely as you said like you know. The power was in the west. Western conference was a lot straw. Unger these can do whatever then. You have the teams that you might. You really believe in an audience but you knew the path of astana compost going through. It really was a gauntlet. So yeah i. It really did feel like it was a stanley cup atmosphere. The momentum The pressure and i thought that i just felt like watching the players. Just the plays being made that you know. They knew that it was for for everything and like i said even watching it. I had to keep reminding myself that this wasn't a stanley cup. Final game with this is this is just to get there and that speaks to the dom into the organizations i mean you can you know those are probably the two best organizations of will maybe not the decade but definitely the first definitely the first part on dumb and it shows in an show just like also showed us how transition game was right because with different lockouts you see the style of play changing but you had to very conflict styles and both had shown success in the league were. I don't think that would necessarily be the case in twenty twenty. Absolutely all right. Well let's get into categories kinda lined up here in re watching this. What sort of stuck out to you as really aging the best and you can take that any direction you want just in terms of like now that we've had the benefit of six years or whatever now of hindsight what was kind of ahead of its time or what wound up being proven to be correct. Or what really stuck out to you as a leading the best here That's a tough question. I think when. I first saw the question. We're kind of going back and forth on just taking notes. Like patrick kane was his skill level and how he played was so ahead of the game and like i feel like the game has finally kind of caught up to his way of thinking and way of playing out there i mean he he really like he looks no different really today than he did back. Then suffer the way the game was played as different and you know how people played against them obviously are different but i mean watching him play like age extremely well and a he's us i feel like he kind of naked out of his time in terms of style of play. I think a lot of style place today probably has a lot to do with the younger players who were on a transcending the league Watching guy like can play. Yeah and it's funny. Because in sort of contrast to that i guess they kinda technically the worst by definition. But what age. The best for me was watching players. Were still around a look physically different in two thousand twenty aging stakes control whether it's dunkin key three even a drew doughty who's not necessarily that old. But because of the miles and sort of grueling nature of games like this is probably his his actual body sort of probably older than his age indicate the only look physically different east. Watch them in two thousand twenty in. Nhl games and they're still effective in different ways but like in this game. There's still sort of at the peak of their powers of flying around and jumping up on the rush and finding themselves in scoring positions in throwing big hits. And they're just playing a different brand of hockey than you'd you'd see from today so it was kind of a neat trip down memory lane to watch. Yeah guys like Doughty now i kind of jumped to me like you know not not wearing a letter. A guy like saw not having a letter like guys who are like leaders now proven and commodities like. They're you know. Daddy's gone for a second copy in in this game But you know you're completely right in terms of style of play. I mean games out a little bit more controlled now I mean sure that probably has to do with just the The type of competitive games that he's in now but just learning the game and learning just to preserve himself longer. But yeah. I think the the the names that you brought up definitely makes sense. Even a guy like the also stood out. Because i mean that's kind of unease in his team candidates and then you think now just kind of you know him getting in and out the lineup. A little bit. It's it's crazy. What difference really only six year has. No it is. And i think even in this game you can kind of see that us never never certainly the most fleet of foot player right like you would use kind of smarts and physicality and guile and had a big shot and they were utilizing it from the point on the power. Play in this game. But you could tell. I think there was one goal against. It was certainly an unlucky balance but he was like a step slow to react. And get there and i think at this point. He's twenty eight or twenty nine years old right on that edge and it was kind of a. I guess a warning sign of what was going to come down the road and and it's interesting i guess part of it has to do with sort of you know the loyalty in the good times and you want to reward the player for all the success. They've added organization but watching this game. It was kind of tough to believe that a year later you'd sign That player to the type of contract. The blackhawks eventually did yeah. It's funny even talking to someone like a lot of guys got reward or just now for that twenty pre twenty fifteen success and rightfully so. I mean the success that they had but you know from gm perspective. It's you know. I guess it's a really tough choice loyalty. Verse projecting futures a tough job. But i agree with what you're saying in terms of. It's hard to believe that amount of money was owed for someone who i guess is in the prime and deal science. Says he's going to be out of his prime. So i don't know maybe that's something we're analytics will gone helps with that type of stuff there because yeah it's it's it's definitely a difference. Okay i'll give you another what age the best here. The watching petar in tasty willingness in this game was really fascinating to me. I just. I don't know how you feel about it but i love that idea. We don't see as much of it in hockey because it is such a team game and you're kinda you know. A lot of the game is spent on the fly. You're jumping over the boards and it's really tough to sort of game plan like mono mono this guy's going to go up against this guy for the entirety of the game like you'd see an nba for example or they're guarding each other and you can really sort of test. Who's better but at this time there was a lot of conversation you know tasers in the conversation burs crosby. An coppola was kind of climbing into it as like. Who is that the clutch big center. That would want to build a team around. If you're trying to win a stanley cup. And they were just really getting after it in this series where they were playing exclusively almost against each other. I dug it up for your. I'm gonna drop some stats on you here. So in the seven games they played sixty six minutes total at five on five against each other during that time the shots were thirty to thirty two so completely even goals or only tuna walker. La and the high danger attempts were sixteen to fifteen for farrah and so basically played each other to withdraw. And i think that's why you saw kane inside kind of have freedom to create more offensively in similarily carter's line got a slightly easier badge up and they could create more had more freedom themselves. But you really saw i cope aren and just to go. I have at this point at the peak of their power is going head to head. And ultimately cancelling each other out. And i'm not sure if both teams should have gone that route. Maybe they should have tried to free up one or the other to not have the play against the and maybe have some easier minutes that they could produce more offensively but it was cool watching them play against each other. Definitely i mean. I think you want to see your best on best especially your one verse one. Because that's i mean that shows the true strengthener team if your top players can cancel alger secondary and you know. -ciary wave of scoring and depth. I actually thought you tavis probably had the the slight edge in game seven just in terms of just what he brought. That's funny watching that game too. I thought wildly tapes would make perfect los angeles king like yet one two to three shifts where he was just you know using his body. Were below the dots. Mendoza own unknown. Could get the puck off Willie mitchell and on a green lady on. And he's just kind of having way and it was. I was just thinking. Wow i like you had been an unreal king player during this time and would have fit right in. But i mean you can make an argument in. Everyone has that he's the he can play anywhere But i think obviously with the kings who've been great but yeah i. That bottle was phenomenal. I think that's what you wanna see. Think that's you know that's what you're gm. See your fans wanna see best on best. It's when i was prepping for the show and doing the research. I saw at the time. I was writing for sporting use and i wrote this article. I remember it was. It was controversial at the time. Got a lot of pushback because people just viewed tapes to be an entirely different tier just sort of the mainstream opinion. But i was a big believer that if co petar either played for market or was from a different country we think about them all differently and actually had this line in his big article. I wrote about it right wrote. We'd be kidding ourselves if we didn't acknowledge that onto qatar would be viewed differently. If were a named andrew. King from minnesota ontario mississauga ontario. Sorry and it's when we think back. I was comparing them and stacking them up and obviously tastes has the advantage of the extra stanley cup and one cons might to his name but otherwise like statistically they're they're very similar players and you could even argue that at the click of his powers. Petar had a slight advantage in terms of what he was able to accomplish with the pieces. He was given certainly didn't have the caliber of line. Athletes for me like oh tires my like favorite player in the nhl. Like i think his combination of strength and skill and vision and you spoke to it in terms of pieces that within the numbers that he's able to put up from organization that as ever will just say they struggled offensively for him to drive play as much. Easy does is is demanding. So i mean. I'm sure there is some sort of bias in terms of that. He made you know you always hear good good canadian boys or something like that. But copay star. I mean you know. I've had him as a top five player in the nhl overall what he brains for. I'm since then probably since twenty twelve. There's not a more consistent player. That i think you can rely on if you have seen him with different teams who might play a little. More open is numbers would be even better than the rb so putting up those numbers with a team that values you know puck possession and defense You before you know production. And that's why they had so much success and that's why obviously he became cotton because he bought into those not only was able to be responsible trusted but he also more to care business on the offensive side. Yeah it's funny you bring up. Sort of they. What they prioritize or what they valued because certainly add this kings team especially in twenty twelve where they took the league by storm after acquiring. Jeff carter but they were kind of the oj. I guess the red wings teams there like two thousand seven eight where like the the. Og puck possession teams when you think of the all time greats at five one five but this team was right up there in any measure you wanna look at at five on five terms of dictating play. Controlling shot share chances exposed and funny enough. This chicago team certainly was up there too. I think there were two of the top three or four or five on five teams that season. And i guess that age the best in terms of both the two of them showing that you could accomplish it in wildly different ways and also the value of just being dominant at five one five and having the puck on your stick at all times in the success. These two organizations had a kind of prioritizing that in their game deal expression this moral some way to skin academy. I think both teams and probably give the edge to la for this. I mean they really. I mean they built very well through the draft and then they added the handle at the same thing with the blackhawks. But i think they did a good job of just making the most that know. They had a vision. The king's vision to play the puck possession and then the blackhawks had skipped l. with they had their bigger guys or stronger dies but i think is good that both coaches and organizations on the same page of that because i think a lot of teams you might draft certain type of player. But maybe the coach doesn't do it the way that's conducive. They really stuck to a plan. And i think that's why both organizations had success because you could see the cohesion. It showed up on the ice between you know the scouts and gm and the coaches and the players. What's expected and i think that's why we work. Well together known. No one looked out a place out there in terms of how they should play or how they were expected to play. And i think just playing in the american league system for kings is no different there. I mean it was so easy to play because you knew what was expected. You know exactly where it should be. And if a puck goes to where you should be. It's new at the person's fault past puck the person at your fault for not being where he should be and not having that predictable field. So i think I think both organizations did that to. I think the organizations are successful. Do that. I mean dallas who and tampa bay a made it. You know to the cup this year again through the draft and it worked. It's all the way up from american league. The success that they've had their that starts with the vision from the scouts in the front office. And then it takes a head coach and everyone a by execute. But i mean i think you see a lot of that you know. The kings had their success in their american league team. Add success and all those guys filter and you saw that in this year's cop as well i think it all matters. I think it all brings things together. I'll give you one final. What age the best in the one move on from this. Category no controversies. Sometimes you think of these big games new taint. It's tainted by a horrible call. Were view especially in two thousand twenty where we're having so many conversations about you know challenging offsides and goaltender interference and not knowing what's what they're they reviewed one one time with the jeff carter high stake and it was quickly ruled a good goal and i think they got the right call but there were no like there was some penalties and certainly getting brennan saw saad had wind where it was kind of a questionable makeup car where there was a week slash that they probably go buy for. The most part in this game was control. The outcome was determined by the better team ultimately winning and persevering. And there wasn't sort of that. Caveat of oh. This one call had gone differently. Would result have been different because we didn't really have any of that. 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It's kind of mixing it up and trying to get it and in jonathan quick space and the running to defenseman at the point and they're like catering a lot of their looks towards teeing up either seabrook or key one timers and at one point they have an extended five on three for about forty to fifty seconds or so and they don't even get a shot off during that time and for all the skill. This team had an all of the sort of offensive pieces that they had. It was strange to me. And certainly it as the worst because in two thousand twenty. Whenever i'm watching a game. And i see a team run to defenseman on their power play. One always kind of raise my elven. Because it's so outdated at this point and i Pretty much every team is exclusively running. Four forwards and this team certainly wasn't devoid of for deserving forwards. Right out there and sure enough. You see later on patrick. Sharp scores set up by brandon. Saad on their power play to unit and it was just. That was a bit of an eyebrow. Raise to me where i feel like. They didn't maximize their opportunities in that regard. Because i guess maybe in two thousand fourteen. I'd have to go back and look at it but that was just the way they were operating. They're prioritizing those looks in over the past six years we've learned that it's probably not the most efficient way to run your powerful a point. I remember seeing that. I didn't. I don't think i thought of it as you know. Block white as there's two events out there but yet that was definitely weird f- to see not that i mean on some of the We kind of we kind of already talked about it. But just some of the I guess the players that you that would make a guy like seabrook and you know he back the ad you know enduring these games compared to two now like i like how you kind of talked about like you can kind of see you can kind of see where like the holes were where they were going to be Yeah that's something that. I guess i just kinda kept circling back to and i'm not sure if it's because of just the dialogue that came out of there this year and So obviously more sensitive to it. But i think he was deficit on that i got my on and even even like Like saad Watching him play with cain it just seemed like hardly as best hockey in dighton on him. i think that's probably more of a praise patrick. And now he's able to elevate his level like you had a lot of lot ice out there with saad and Shaw and just way elevated elevated. Those guys i mean it really look like a guy like had a completely different gear yet. Oh what age the words for me. Every single time chicago has traded brandon. Saad and we'll we'll run through those three Transactions at a second here but at this time he's twenty one years old and for by money he was the best player on the ice in this game. Certainly like. I can't believe i can't believe i understand. I understand there's cap and all that stuff It's funny because just watching like the world series. They kept saying who trades. Mookie batson hawksley sods not at that level right. You know you find a way to keep a guy like that you just he just did i use so good so does seem common goal. Come and go you know. That definitely is in two before. Like i would like to find a way to keep that. Yeah if obviously it helps with canes demanding so much extra attention it's creating extra space for on the ice so that helps but if he was creating something anytime he goes out there in this game had the bowl Five shot attempts shots were eleven was energy or actual play like he was a very all around really good player. I mean it felt like honestly. The puck bounced on him a couple of times. I feel like under better ice conditions. You might have a couple more times. But so yeah. He's playing on his entry level. Deal at this point. Twenty one years old. As i mentioned a year later they wind up moving. But so these are the three times. Chicago's traded brandon saad. So in the summer of two thousand fifteen. They traded him for artem anisimov. 'cause they didn't wanna pay him on his next deal and then two years later in the summer of twenty seventeen they trade are tammy perrin for him because pinera has a year left on his deal and they're kind of regret avoiding having to deal with him as a free agent the following year and then this summer they trade him nikitas zohrab. And i bet you he's going to look mighty good on a on colorado playing top six and i guess listen like you watch this game. If you told me the brandon saad just purely from watching this game. If you didn't know otherwise told me he was going to be one of the five best players in the league and be a complete superstars. I believe you without knowing anything else. Based on how good he looked. So i guess it's disappointing that his career and has has turned out to be the sort of game changing impact player that he was in this one but Still still a heck of a hickory are obviously scored thirty goals in columbus. Want a couple cops still has some good years ahead of them but yeah it was. It was kind of jarring to see. Just how impactful. He wasn't this one. Yeah for sure it just got up and it has nothing to do with the game but just when you go big picture you're looking at it from twenty twenty. It's like now is he's. He's been given away twice now. Cluny a couple of ways. I can go this one. I guess a quick one the amount of dumping and jc. I don't mean to insult you after all we've talked about with how you you like the king style and the way they played and certainly i admit they was bhai design and they had to play this way against ago and this is what made unsuccessful but just watching. It was like every time they had entered the zone. You'd be like okay. Here comes the dumping to the to the point. Where older game that watch. This wasn't new. It was interesting to watch. Because there's one point. I would like about a minute left in the game. In regulation dustin brown's coming in off the right wing and you can almost each cargoes defense like relax a little bit. Because they feel like they can sack back because he's gonna dump it in and instead he just keeps the puck and goes in and almost wins the game there because they sort of gave him that extra room and i honestly just watching it. It certainly looks like they were just fully expecting the dump and based on their mo. Any sort of pulo switcheroo in and took advantage of it. But that's that's the sort of extreme and the extent to how often they were dumping in chicago was fully expecting together there. Sometimes it just didn't make sense like why would you dumped it. They're like it's like going back to like a it makes sense of what they did. Never bought in like you know. Maybe you know your chances of scoring out the russia. If you're you know that epa player dwight king or something like that. Probably very low i mean. Can you make that slot line pass. Are you gonna pick a carter. The chances are against you but you know so you give up that opportunity. Put it in the corner. duncan keith. On the ice. So now you're getting a body check on him. You're wearing him down. The game goes. Ot all those little things those little incremental things make a difference and that's something. I love like analytics data at something that you can't really take an account for that feeling of knowing that you know you're you're gonna get hit or you cheating the sag and having a out loose gap because you just want to get the puck orcas can so you can get the puck off his stick as quickly as you can whole adds up and you can see it on the ice. Obviously none of us were in the game. But i'm sure those guys. Those third line is are pretty much. Everyone was willing to the body but they they probably could see it in there is at. It was frustrating. That it's a lot. So i mean it was definitely i would. I don't know so many dumps 'cause you would just it's just uncomfortable. I would say to see twenty twenty but but then when you just put yourself in the context of what the kings were doing than just the war attrition. that's gone on their events that makes more sense. Yeah and there was one time where waking literally entered the offensive zone unimpeded and it was just inside the blue line and just dumped it in anyways does just like what is this. Be like soft chipped it to himself. Obviously he was gonna get. Yes yes like. He's just hoping to get contact. I know he's like this gonna go through my body in that corner there and got to kill forty seconds off the clock here and see if we can want dry. Look guy an e eight minutes. I mean he played. He's playing top nine now. He's not top go is but he knows how to hold onto pocketing an e possession. Time in i think he's probably a top six player in that respect on the kings for his career. There was a wisconsin watchable moment. Here was there beyond just obviously saying like okay. You should if only watchos apart of this game watched the five minutes of ot or whatever because it actually was entertaining but was there any other points in the game. Sort of inflection. Points where you are particularly kind of ribbit or or Finding yourself really being sucked into it if someone was alison. I'm not going to sit down. Because i'm not a huge nerd in watch two and a half hours worth of this game. Are there certain regions kind of telling them to go into I actually kinda liked the first ten minutes in the reason. Why is because it would probably set you up to continue watching right. Yeah i thought the kings were playing. The i thought the blackhawks were loose in the kings. Were out planning on the i ten minutes but they were. They were down two goals in the way that the way that the goals went in. Were a bit deflating. Right if i think what of almost like that weird balance off patrick. Kane's pants to someone back door. You had mentioned the the sharp goal. But you know. I i like when i re watched us i. I kind of forgot that the kings came back on this. Not because it's just like you know you're doing what you're supposed to do you're on the road. Chicago fans are losing their mind. You're down to nothing you know. You have to look at the details where he is quick. Shakey's even there. Obviously there are some bad bounces but you don't know what that does to team so it's like i looked at that i kings are gonna come back when this in overtime were the it could have been done playing against you know dicicco blackhawks who've already went to cops games have been at home and they're already up to nothing at the. I found. That intriguing is probably because i knew the outcome right but really watching it. I was just like power How they how the kings get out of this because their goal scores so to nothing's not the deficit that you really want That's that's kind of that. Was i really enjoyed that. Yeah yeah it was interesting seeing how they got there i think there were three goals in a Basically sixty seconds span of game time there late in the first I would i would say the start of the third is a bit of a slog like there's just nothing happening for seven or eight minutes and considering chicago is up. I think they were happy with that way. Then like i mentioned earlier. I think it's around the twelve minute mark. Where we're told minutes left in the third period you can see that. La sorta goes alright. We can't just keep milking clock here because we're gonna lose. We need to score and so they opened up a bit. And there's like four or five odd man rushes trader back and forth and a couple of big saves a couple of close calls. And that's when the game really starts to open up and then after elliott ties it I was really impressed to see how. 'bout chicago's a win for it You know with about six minutes left or so. It was a tie game at four. And they were creating some some serious pressure there and nearly wanted at the buzzer. I kind of forgot like quick makes us remarkable sort of toe. Save right at the goal line so they certainly. These weren't teams there. Were sort of just taking it for granted and kind of waiting to to get to the locker room and wait for overtime like this easily could have ended in regulation. I love seeing that sort of motivation to not. Just take those last couple of seconds or a couple of minutes for granted. Yeah i mean who knows but you can make an argument that push to kaga. It's like they knew that like this is probably their best opportunity. Obviously everything's best opportunity when it but the kings in game seven. They're not going to give you an inch. You got mr game seven across the way And i that push like it was definitely noticeable. They're going on all cylinders. You had like versteegthe getting that much ice time before. Like he's getting more is time getting in volvo offensively and they i mean they opened it up even more and it. Kind of la was a not taken off guard but was unable to match the speed. It's like you know you know you're going to be in a long play offs. Maybe you're not going. You know complete octopus at top speed. And they're like all right. Let's take the top off of this like let's let's end this now because you know you're gonna give if you don l. a.'s. Going to get a fresh twenty minutes and they're going to do what they do and that's where kind of brought up a couple of times that's where the wear and tear and just mental physical grind. That playing that kings team will do to. You will take effect. Yup yup definitely all right biggest egypt performance. And you're not allowed to say. Patrick a good here. Because he's obviously a superstar can't say go petar. Is there someone who kind of an adept role or someone just watching this not knowing knowing the result but not knowing how they got there that really stuck out to you as like popping off the page of that was a better performance than i remembered. Not sir i mean. I i so jerrod stole. Obviously he missed time right. He started the game. He is out for a bit and I kind of forgot the minutes that he's playing for this team and I think so it kind of reminded me just how like versatile of a player was and obviously like you know he's you know he's the big body in front of goal for the for the game winner but i mean yeah i just i. I just forgot because there's a lot of players that are very similar. I just kind of forgot. All about jared stolen his impact on the team and just the greatest To come back. So i thought you know in in its game seven and obviously meant something to him but you know battling what he's battling combat i can have the impact he did. I thought that was that was great. And then like i said i did forget. Gabric was on the team to But that was just marvel- goal thing than a overall play use such a hockey guy highlighting jared stolz greediness. What's county that's funny. I obviously the obvious answers brandon. Saad right like just just how good list. But yeah. I mean. He was playing on basically. That's the purpose of top line Edrich sharp was interesting to me here. Because the way i remembered it was he was playing with teams in hosa and he had a great year. And you look at the numbers. He scored like nearly forty goals. But at this point in the season. I don't know if it was because he was struggling offensively or because they had that taste match up so i think when bill might have wanted to load up with a more physicality so they could deal with copay tar and brown But the add. Brian beco- playing on the top line. There with days in hosa and patrick sharp was relegated to third line. Duty with markets krueger and ben smith but he was kind of. I don't know if you. I don't know if there's sort of wake up. Call that he needed or or or what have you. But he was us flying out there and creating a lot and he scored two goals just because you know by the by the definition of kind of paycheck performance for for less heralded guy Know third-liner for them in this game essentially came up with two goals. So i think patrick sheriff's before sure is still getting work on the on the party i i was just like you still getting work on the power. Play right utilizing your shot that i that kind of run over quick spat right. That was him right. That wasn't he's right so yeah and he had to slap slapshot on the power play. So i mean i. I think that was more like a surprise for that thick it said like that might have been as fourth and fifth. Goal the playoffs which you would think you would have a lot more. So yeah i mean i guess from his production from so far in the playoffs he produced while but it. It was a good bouncing and then all credit from poplar shock. That's the clutch shot that the team needed at the time But yeah i guess looking back. I was definitely a new bickel played with that top line. I just i forgot that it was at this juncture of his career. 'cause this is kind of you know. I guess you could also say like you know in terms of breakout performances. Like this part of that street that bickel very highly attracted attractive to a lot of other teams in a league where he really just kind of fit in in chicago with those type of players. Well i mean he was buying this top on. I think it was twenty thirteen up when he he scored like nine goals or something and then yeah and then he got paid sixteen million and and unfortunately you like when you what age the words in terms of how can we talk about this seabrook's or those loyalty contracts and how that's where teams kinda get themselves into trouble a little bit like chicago that in the last year of that deal basically add to attach twenty nine to give them the carolina just to allow that to happen because they were so up against the cap. And yeah so when you're when you're giving up guys like terrifying or given up. They have to give up. Philip philip dano at some point as well who has thrived montreal. And that's why if you're teacher go. You're looking back five years later and you're like oh well this is. Maybe why we've failed to the sort of regenerator a second or third round here while we still have cain tapes and keith because we gave up a lot of young talent because we just couldn't afford them deathly three cups to show for it so hard to hard to. It's i don't know how you being a national hockey is tough job. cottie sustained. Yeah well that. That's why i mean like nick. Lead in this game Wildly overqualified for the role. He was playing. I think he played twelve minutes or so on this one and you could tell like a supremely gifted with escaping and his and his offensive skills but he entrust them and you know maybe deservedly so because unfortunately out there for the game game winning goal against the kind of bounced off unfortunately and he can really get good position out front but yeah he was another casualty for them so it is what it is. Yeah you're right when you achieve the ultimate goal of winning the stanley cup except argue but you pay all right most unanswerable questions. Here's one for you. The columbus blue jackets get rings for l. a.'s. Twenty twelve in two thousand fourteen cops after they gift wrap jeff carter and marian gaborik for them Yes and no i mean. I'm sure i mean that's a really good question That fits yet answer apart. I mean obviously It had to change for jeff in columbus wasn't workout during a short time there so as much it was a gift wrapped in columbus has been. I feel like they've always made decisive. Moons in that was one of them and obviously the return wasn't there but they did what they had to do for the club. But i remember seeing that trade like saying wow they can acquired a better player that's gonna fit into their system like overall and i remember looking. I think maybe on came out with the story. Share just looking back at the trader or something like that and you know whether it was gonna work out or not. But i mean he's he. It's been great. So i mean i i guess they should get coverings for that. Yeah i mean this is being desai's is one thing they gave up for a jake and katrina for thirty nine games them and then quickly quickly pull the pull the pull the shoot and got jack johnson interject for a and and you you mentioned the gabric when you forgot He was on this team like he. was very clutch for them. I think he he led them in goalscoring Fourteen gold or something. He wasn't that obvious in this game. I remember the time he really provided them with this kind of antics goals. Yes little bursts. Exactly the only guy is going to be pulling pulling got asked. I mean that's always scored a goal. Just you know the one thing. He can do escape. So i i remember being. I remember being during this. This run Often associated with with gaborik and kind of his style of play and this is pedigree but obviously he was more than there for this. You made a contribution. Here's one final question. Or maybe it is answerable. Because i'm gonna pose it to you and hopefully you can answer but This idea of referee even calls. And i alluded to earlier with the sod slash gun second period. It was after chicago. God a five on three and they didn't capitalize and then you kind of knew just with the flow of the game that next sort of remotely questionable thing. They did the referees. We're going to try to get la back in in their books are kinda even it out and like as a player. How do you sort of Like deal that kind of remind center at all or are you kind of aware of it because it certainly feels like just like an observer watching these games that you can tell like when that titus shifting and win a teams getting a lot of calls and they haven't been capitalizing on them like dogs is do for our plays. Yeah as a player definitely aware of him. Coach will say it to. I mean if you start off and you had three powerplays in. I go in intermission coaches saying like you know the next one's probably coming us like you know we deserve because even if even if there were three definite entities like you know you. You're are on the man advantage for six minutes so they're probably gonna call you tighter because had enough. It's like a natural thing. So i think you're definitely aware of and i don't think enough. I don't think it affects player. Like even if a player complains or says anything thousand makeup call like you know. It's kind of heat of the moment type thing but i it like you said i think it's i think you said it's it's to be expected that they're going to try to keep the game as even as possible thrust into game like this but both teams are competing. Nothing egregious in terms of penalties. Like no no nothing dangerous. So i think they also give some leeway in terms of the calls that can be made or your thoughts. Generally on the on the organ dominated. Commentary corner here the link that i send you the we watch this on. It's available on youtube share with the listener so they can watch themselves. But it's the cbc call with With bob dole on it. How do you feel about the quality of the broadcast in terms of because sometimes they can really feel outdated just because you know the the final product of how you present stuff on. Tv as changed so much over the past. How many years. How do you feel about this in terms of just like them narrating what was happening capturing the drama the moment like eating. They did a good job. I think they did a phenomenal job. and i remember 'cause just from the notes that you sent me just to talk about this i'm not sure if it was Just because it's you know. Covert ed and we just had santa cup with no fans or anything and obviously that adds to it. But i just. I mean i've seen this before and it's fourteen not fourteen years ago but Six years ago. I know the outcome but that this is probably as engaged as i was all summer. Her watching Just from the energy that was in the building and then the way they were telling you thought they did a great job of just you staging staging the whole thing in in the game really did it self. I mean you know. Elena omni lead you know for for most of the game and The back and forth two thousand play at thought that they hit on that really well highlighting those big players that you wanna see You know it's something all talk matt loud. It's definitely something that i think Just dealing with this last playoffs last year Just have the fans in the building. 'cause i just i. Ibm i remember watching it. This one adding a little goosebumps in the moment knowing what's going to happen knowing this like i said six years ago but you can feel the energy without the to really good job of just that he had the crowds. Good you got charles barkley in attendance wearing jerseys. Got a lot of screen on hottest breakthroughs weird. Like the only thing that i thought from a broadcast point that a good job of like you're right just letting the game come to them. It was certainly set up perfectly. Where like the drama was already built in this morning. An between plays i. I like that. I certainly thought they brought something there. But the one thing that's out to me was it was weird. This is where it felt a bit dated. There was like no shot counter. There were no like graphics of like showing chances or shot locations or anything. That's stopped that. I've certainly gotten used to a maybe started to take for granted a little bit. Twenty twenty the kind of adds to the statistical sorta storytelling of getting a feel for like who's dominating or who's playing well. There's like a bare bones. I guess that was sort of the norm for two thousand fourteen where they were just basically showing the action and there was nothing popping up on the screen it was just purely what was happening and again i mean that's a good point but i i don't think there's anything wrong with it because like you know just going back to this year with with no fans in the stands like those graphics and stuff mattered so much right because you need something to fill the time i i just thought the production in general where you have you know. The fans losing their minds and panning. Whether it's charles barkley or another start discussing. they're like. I thought that really just from a viewing perspective. If you're not there like i'd rather kind of get the view of everything and get that atmosphere from how they did it versus just looking at the different stats that they can put that. They often put on now. That you know just because it just because like you said like a shot. Connor like i think you and i both know that doesn't really talk about the game or well. I think i think can can is playing. You can ask certainly add it to the screen without interfering with the product right but yeah like In this particular game. I did miss it but it just kinda stuck out to me as a being different from what i'm used to recently. Who won the game. Let's let's ended on here like just now that you watch you watch the. It's fresh in your mind. The euro whether it's like a lasting legacy or whether it is the most impactful performance what what stuck out there as like the ultimate sort of beneficiary of the of the final result of this one in terms of like a player like a big picture perspective. It could be anything to be. Honest like in terms. Of this gameboy like like who like coming out of it who Who or what sort of one won the game. Who benefited the most from. I think jeff. Carter i liked. I liked his game. Obviously he's able to contribute. I thought he pops in a lot of different places and you know obviously fits well in the system but considering the the backdrop that we had in terms of just columbus and you know how they traded forearm and just obvious was willing to just say like. We made a huge mistake that for him the kind of had a successful he had. They're moving forward. I thought i thought that was probably very just prove people wrong him. Because i mean he's been a world class player so for that to happen to a guys representing his country especially when it's canada's a wild to think that something like that this had happened but he did it. was a key contributor. Why i included him. I thought like the winner was the that seventies line because i thought they were kind of viral sensation at this point right like they sort of took the league by storm. Everyone's talking about iran is creating memes about them. And you know. Carter was sort of the figurehead. They're kind kinda like really tired. The foley's always looked younger than he is but he like especially clean cut in this one where he doesn't alec a single facial hair looks like he's like yours looks young no he looks like someone who won some sort of a draw to get to play with jeff carter and jeff carter's just chauffeur them around and and you know tanner pearson's out there and they dominated throughout this postseason but especially in this game they they created the two goals. Jeff carter really got them back into your mentioning earlier. Fearsome is really good but you mentioned earlier like when they when ellie went down to nothing. You're thinking how are they going to create enough offense to get back into this and l. a. and jakarta just kinda willed one into the net there with like this rush after a block shot and they were awesome. It's interesting you mentioned carter. Because i don't think he was at his physical peak by any means. I think early on in philadelphia when he scored forty six goals in ohio. Nine like that's when as a goal scorer he was at his best but just in terms of like putting it all together and being the complete package. I thought he was unreal. Command of the of the game as you alluded to in this one and you know kudos to him. I remember when he signed that eleven year dealer whatever he signed with with when he went to columbus like i guess he signed it with philly before they traded on. But i i remember thinking like there's absolutely no way that jeff carter's playing by the end of his deal and sure enough. He's only got two years left on it and is still a potting twenty goals. A season and still is a useful contributor in nhl level. So it's you know he certainly proven me wrong. Because i if he told me that ten years ago i would not have believed you All right well. I think that's going to do it. It's going to be a for this one. I think we we cover the games. Certainly recommend watching it to to our listeners. Enjoyed the The experience of going back and reliving these glories deaf plan. Think if you if you wanna see. Just the competitiveness hockey. I think this this is if you just enjoy it. Exudes joy just watching the game and being appreciate just how it's transition. I think this is a really good game to watch. Because you have to on trusting styles But you can still see different players and philosophies that you still see In today's game so from that perspective. I think it's a lot of fun But you can see how dominant kings are though. They were a bit extreme in how they played their lesson style. But just seeing what. A complete cohesive unit. Looks like and. I think that's that's what the kings were doing their runs for the cops. Yeah yeah. I highly recommended as well as it lived up to the high lived up to the lasting memories. I had of it and i would recommend watching it so all right. This is going to be at for the latest ray. Watchable jordan was a blast right. I'm glad we finally after months and months and months of texting back and forth trying to make this effort. We finally did it so hopefully it wasn't. It wasn't too painful and hopefully we'll be able to get you back on down the road. Great thanks for having me after we finished recording I was thinking back to the conversation. That jordan samuel. Thomas and a hat and and i realized that we probably didn't give justin williams enough credit love for his performance in this game and i couldn't and this show without doing so because it was a game seven and he is mr game seven and his performance in this one was exactly as great as you'd expect and i wanted to give them a little bit of love for it before we got here so he had the goal. He helped set up the game winner by alec martinez with a very justin williams ask wasn't flashy moved. But he retrieved the puck after dumping one Battle against the boards. Got it out to the point and the rest was history. So it is a very classic. Justin williams performance started off slowly. Started off this game. On the depth chart worked his way out wound up playing some really important minutes down the stretch and put his imprint on the game and lived up to the nicknames. Through game seven. He ended his career with needed. One record and game sevens An nhl record seven goals in those games fifteen points. He got the conn. Smythe at the end of this postseason. Three stanley cup rings a true legend one of the early analytics goats and Yeah i just wanted to give them a little bit of so before we get out of here Hopefully you enjoyed today's episode the rituals if there is any future games you'd like for us to cover We're still going to have some time here before we have actual new live games to discuss. Oh plenty of opportunity to get creative and have fun and relive some old classics. Oh certainly feel free. 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Ep. 193: Caroline Hirons Stops The Nonsense

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Ep. 193: Caroline Hirons Stops The Nonsense

"Hey guys welcome to fatten. Skara your jess. I'm Jenn what's up. Hi Everyone I'm trying to like a trying to psych myself up because I feel fill a lot of different feelings right now. It is my last recording for. I'm GONNA say sometime. Sometimes it's like TB D. I don't know what it's like a baby. Oh Yeah if you're a new listener because we have a bunch of new listeners Jessica Matlin Co host is about to have a baby girl exactly Do in one week and I feel like she needs to come out now so we have a recording session marathon. And don't you guys worry. We banked up a bunch of really great great interviews and I'm going to have some very cool co-hosts none as great as you just to keep the wave home jealous listening with the joe going to have new episodes every Wednesday just like always Listen to this extra specially and closely. Because it's just as last for a while gems I she brought some snacks. You've got some babies And I I saw the list I saw the roster of some of the CO host. Coming up I think you guys are really gonNA enjoy it. I'll cook even even though I'm gonNA feel left out. Listen we can have hall in. It's what we want to pop around the corner. Come back in the studio. It'll be fine. Bring little baby girl. Tk and I will vote on that when that will be the beauty news headline headline of the week in probably next week if not the week after fingers crossed yes. I'm GonNa want some some advice but for this week we have of course this week in beauty news. And then we're also also gonNA talk about a new hair bonding treatment which is great if you are trying to go really blonde or if you have damaged hair. I have something innovative to tell you guys about and then a little bit of a health and Wellness Topic Topic Me Jessica and I found out we both have neuroma 's assistant so I don't know how we didn't know this before I knew stuff like going on with your feet and I've had like stuff garth my. We've we never compared no now. It's reached a fever pitch. It's Jin justice petty corn and our guest. Our guest is I'm calling her the Internet skin-care Guru Caroline. Hi Ron's and I just found out you say it Heireann clinger hurons for too long so as I was making it French. You guys have been asking for this interview for. I want to the years we deliver. She's here and it's great and the stewed. Let's do it and now it's time for the week and beauty news okay. We have a lot of new lines coming out this week. We have Komo Brown the culture guy from queer eye. He starting a brand for bald guys. I love that it's called. Mantle is cute Caroliina Harare's launching a beauty line in March and that's Carolina Herrera New York. Makeup she has is not done a color cosmetics line yet so that's cool who to Catan just launched. Her skincare line reminded me of another skincare line. 'cause it's just one product It's it's called wishful and she's doing full leader and then it's kind of random I know but it but it's sort of like beauty from the bag snob. Yeah like an exfoliating kind of as show And then Selena Gomez about to break that Sephora store she's doing a Sephora exclusive launching cosmetics brand called rare beauty And a lot of executives on that Brenner from Knicks which I thought was interesting so be curious to see what that is when it comes out this summer is the next fin t under no it's it's fitting that she's GonNa have her own line. I love it Gucci Westman. She did not launch another line charity hotline but she launched a new beauty youtube chat show and the first guest. What is Demi Moore and I have to tell you? She looks freaking gorgeous. I mean that woman yeah I watched it at the two of them together. I was just like okay. Goals for now then Sad note Beauty Industry Birch box to lay off twenty five percent of their team. It's interesting because I feel like that was a new retail model the subscription box. And maybe. That's not the future anymore. No is it a death knell at no last but not least we have a little update on the FDA hearing. I know you've all been chomping at the bit. Good differ jen into interpret this news radio on February fourth The FDA held a hearing on justice testing in talk the first nine thousand nine hundred seventy one which I think is hilarious. Talks colleges from the government testified that tiny mineral particles often found in Talq including but not limited to a specified can trigger the development of cancer and should be part of newstand ZAN testing standards. Because there aren't any right now of course the w right of the. WG Of course was right up there saying yes. Let's test and of course Rep from cosmetic trade groups countered saying testing isn't needed so it's a whole bunch of I don't know who to believe the FDA said guess what we'll keep studying we're working on the paper so they gave themselves guideline as to the timing when we'll hear what comes out of this so your guess is as good as ours choice is yours. I see no testing happening anytime soon. But that's that's what happened this week in beauty news caught his big week doesn't have a new gen science corner. You're listening to music for that going to be. I don't know lab music like Belanger. God knows if Oliver do this again. If you stick with me through this John Raymond the guy who cares your friend. Yeah he's a he's a great guy. He runs spoken wheel salons and with him and he was telling me about a new product. And so what it it is. I don't know if you know this. But there are dice fide bonds in our hair and basically when you get a permit something happens that breaks that bond but also when your hair is damaged with heat with colored Cetera. The Mon- can break and cause damage. So we've heard about Ola plex right. Yes people are crazy about so what that does it sort of builds this little bridge repair between the broken gin bonds so that you can color lighter go further. Prevent the hair from breaking off. But it's really still sort of like a band aid if you will. It's like insurance right. Yeah and they'll use Your colors can use it during your treatment there's products for afterwards as well And they're called bond builders so that works but this one I thought was really interesting. It's called K.. Hairpin okay so a professor working in Portugal discovered a peptide that can actually penetrate through the hairs surface which is hard to do first of all and re and the long chain peptides and it can rebuild the dice oilfield bond in her hair. So it's not like a bandied it's actually sort of reconnecting them So that peptide which is called the K.. Hey eighteen peptide. Of course he trademarked proprietary. Blobby Bosquet for Carrington Yes that's that okay. These are That is in the K.. Hair pep solution so John gave the treatment to me and then I do it three more times at home and basically you spray or cream version of it after you shampoo you put it on. Rub It in wait for minute. Okay no conditioner or a very specific very specific no conditioner and then proceeded usual for this product available for home use or zip because John was your hookup so you you can buy online yourself. But I think most people are going to discover it through their salon in their stylists. The really amazing thing that it does and the color Spokane Wheeler using it as they can lift they can do those platinum processing without any of the breakage which is what people are excited about old plex. Yeah but a color is still doesn't want to push it too much and even if you're using Ola plex if you're going from black hair to bleach blonde you know in your double process. Lightning you're going to get some breakage. This stuff is amazing. I watched a video of a girl. Asian girls black care go to platinum and like her hair you know how sometimes get raggedy at the end when you get platinum. It's like thinner. Yeah it was the exact same thickness. Oh Wow it was fascinating and so who I also learned this. I was obsessed with. They discovered that it worked because they were using it to repair tapestries carpet fibers so it came from another industry industry yet so like wool. That's hair of an animal rights Beiber to natural fiber. So think about if you're trying to repair like an art in the art history museum and they're trying to repair that fancy va This helps re bind the the damage in the in the hairs so clever election out here. Is this. Just another option to Ola plex. Or is your stylist preferring one over the other. I can't speak to if they like it better than old yaks. All I can say is that it works in a very different way and I feel like as they smoke it into America's right now you know it started in Europe. Yeah we're GONNA start seeing more and more colors like get excited about this so me as someone who does not bleach your hair. The benefits that I saw were my here was a lot thicker looking like I don't know why that is because I must have some damage. The other thing is sometimes when I'm detangling. This treatment by the way does not coat your hair so it's actually quite annoying. Join to detangle after he put it in. You have to be real gentle usually after I brush my hair like I still see all little broken pieces do over the TUB. Oh yeah when I brush my hair over the sink. There's a little younger like I'm in there and I did this for the three treatments in a row and truly it's not it's long hairs that are falling out. I'm not seeing any broken hairs over. China brush so I mean it's not cheap at seventy five bucks if you buy it by yourself but if I think of people that will be. Most excited are friends with bleach blond hair. This is like this is big news this peptide so there you heard it here on Fat Moscow probably not I but close to Newark. I'm sure it's worse now. You go the jess. I cannot believe you have a neuroma and we have not talked about that. I've got to talk about both of them. I have two two but I've to you wouldn't want fight. Oh I have one in each very rare very rare one foot. Of course that of course all the I get. Tell me how this happened. Tell tell our listeners. What our NEUROMA? Well I mean this is like the Let's talk about our aitken dogs so I had like Jen. I do know this very each other. That we both had bunion. ECTOMY is really the only people like you know who had them. Like inner twenty. I was twenty. I got reasoning for my doctors to y got that neuroma associated with okay go on so I got up next to me on my left. I can talk about that another time. But you're sexy so but every so often I feel kind of like this. I described as almost an electric fuzzy Tinley feeling in that foot and nerve pain nerve pain. Hey but Lucky with that was It depends on the pair of shoes I wore. Are you land on your foot if you went down a step. Yeah so it wasn't something that was interrupting in my life or liquid like make me like take a cab instead of walk. Actually sometimes I guess if I was wearing like really flat hard shoes and his flats can like foot flexes says the more these guys flare up and like especially if the the bottoms quite player doc martens work for that but go on okay so long story longer I get pregnant as well. Yeah exactly and the one on my left foot has it's been flaring up There's now one on my right foot which is so much more painful. And I'll describe the pain I I was like fuzzy helpful like you might have mine. Came like a pebble feels like you're stepping stepping on pebble again and again which is another shelter. I read on the Internet mine really feels electric sharp lake. This is the voice of the podiatrist Chris. It feels like my toes as I'm walking or going to break off as clear as if they were made of glass sudden and the minute you stop taking that movement it goes away yes Asif. I sat on the couch. It goes away and so I go to the PODIATRIST and I put my little feet up. I'm telling him this and I feel like I'm not being clear because I'm saying oh no crown. We knew ray what's here. He's able to tell I. Have this nerve thing because he pinches my little fat feet. They're very fat and wide right now. They are always were but now they're like any wiggle back and forth legal back and forth. Yes drew only there. I was not there but I remember the same experience like trying to describe the symptoms and she's just nodding Shannon. You sound crazy like you feel like there's a pebble in my shoe but there's not sometimes have little lightening. I didn't know how to describe it. Yeah lightning that's a great now. Sharp APPs get lightning very descriptive. Yes should right so that was ten years ago girl. So what the hell is this what you wear not that you don't have a cool style but like is this way you were. Sneakers ought not a lot worse so basically what this is. It's scar tissue built around the nerves. That are between the metatarsal of your foot. Okay so you have like where every toe is between them so you probably have one between like second or third and fourth. Yeah ourselves really common And sometimes you can even tell by just like wiggling your foot click and you feel it click. I have two in one foot. Lucky me which is you have the between between index and middle and. I only know that because it's been hurting so badly. They left photo at left foot that I went to get an MRI Mariah. They see them in there when you do an MRI sometimes they can see them from ultrasound. And so I got special orthotics made years ago with like this little riser in them. Cover it It it did then and it's right behind where the rumor is so that my foot doesn't flex that same way s and they were really helpful for a couple years. I should for you As we all were like many different shoes at guided only put them in like one pair of sneakers. I never wore. No I wear these all the time and I have two pairs one for my sneakers when I'm running in one for regular shoes I'm not in fact. Check me on the insurance folks feel like I might have spent a couple of hundred bucks on them. Okay because they were worth orthotics very expensive. Let's go doctor sholls first and then Oh doctors going to cut it. 'cause you have to get it in the right spot right where the NEUROMA. So it's very custom. I'm actually flexing my foot now and I feel like the electricity in my left. It's actually bringing feeling yes. Yeah it's really crazy It can come and go and but I found that really flat hard shoes. That don't let you flexes much. You don't have the problems so a doc Martin or frankly when I'm hiking like like my hiking boots I can't feel it at all. You say flat hard shoes. I'm wearing flat. Hard light ballet flats logo like a bet because you can flex and there's no support so you need something that has the sole. Oh yes. Okay said Docs sneakers. You're like air seekers lets you flex too much. Oh the doctor told me that I should get a great pair of sneakers. I mean if you want to get those new balances that it like a real thick on the bottom but like a chuck Taylor the most uncomfortable to wear you know what I wear like my Adidas Stance Mathie. Don't her as much really because you I would think even even more up on the bottom. This chunky like dynasty remember used to make fun of fashion girls and their big ass. Valencia sneaker yes they probably really good for your Neuroma And then I'll just give a little bit more advice. Maybe you down the line and everybody else helped cortisone shots helped me to. Would they would inject those into the into the NEUROMA and I'd get like four four or five months of relief out of that and some people do alcohol shots is like a new treatment for it and then eventually you know if you're wearing the right shoes and doing all that they like get bigger and bigger bigger over time and You need to have them removed with an outpatient surgery without you know what freaks me out I feel like I have no proof of this but I feel like it started when I had a bunny next to me so I'm afraid now yet. So what did Airdrie again now. It is people that are have hyper flexible feet or she said. Did you have bunions when when you were young. And then she's like that's yeah. That's because you're hyper flexible. And you're in your metatarsal move around so much and because your your foot movement is yatch more than a normal person's yes yes that can help irritate the nerve ending and caused the neuroma. One is not that the Bundy meat did the NEUROMA. You just have a flexible foot. It's prone to these so do you ever according to my Dr Prevent he might put nickel surgeon. It makes sense to me. I always feel like my feet when maybe it's the way my shaped. I need to like be wearing shoes more but if I'm like if I'm walking barefoot I feel like my little toes like grip the feet grip the floor at them some kind of A. I can't even walk barefoot because it hurts. I need to. I wear shoes around the house because because really oh yeah because barefoot the most painful I know I agree slippers or slipper like you put on Jones like nothing. We're flip flops. Because my little groupie toes and it's really painful all so I wear like a solid house. Berkinstocks you do. You know that you ask me. You thought it was just my slippers. It's because of the neuroma because a regular house doesn't cut Hud. I have I have the world of Nova Roma guys. If you haven't aroma I wanNA see some where I named mine. What is her name rummy? Oh Me Romey Rome the neuroma please. Dm Me with your neuroma tales. Our guest today Caroline Heireann Tyron. She is a British skincare expert. She's also a mother for she's a trained aestheticians and she's worked in beauty retail and brand consultant for more than three decades. The people also we love that. She's a passionate music. Lovers like us and a supporter of some amazing charities including refuge women's aid and the Appeal Caroline's caroline much anticipated book skin-care the ultimate guide is coming out in April. It's available for preorder. Now check out our website so caroline before before you were the internet skin grew. I've just given you that title. Okay you are an aestheticians or I mean you know took those credentials away from you enough the dishes. So can you just tell us in our listeners. A little bit about your life before Youtube instagram. And all that well I worked in the beauty industry since like ninety seven and and I I just had a passion for skiing. Skincare that was much stronger than makeup. And you know so I went and got my -cations knew that skin was my so the forte. What very fortuitously happened was? I was working in spacing K.. And silvy Sean. Kelly came in one night and basically had offered me a job. Gobert light twenty minutes. What do that pressed her told her that she didn't have any system? And everything needed shutdown stalking. They only test the brand for you. Pop It in a very polite way and I gave my notice. In that day I was going to go and work for CLARITINS. The universe was just lining everything. Could I ask you. You mentioned that you read more passionate about skin care than and makeup and nick that a lot of people who are really into your channels and everything or feel the same. Why are you more passionate about skincare? Yet it was just the you you know the the mental health aspect of having healthy skin. They go hand in hand. You know when you When you fix on skin who's had real problems whether it's on the rotation spectrum or the acne spectrum or even just advise them even if they're not coming to me for treatment which I don't do now but even if if my ticket you need this done and you need this cream but they'll advise you better the May da Da da and then you know a few months later you get great messages saying thank you so much we recommendations I just the you know? The lift of that person gets is the best part of the jolt. You you also a new book coming out on top of everything else you do. It's just called skin-care the ultimate guide. Why did you decide to do a book now? I'd always said that needs to do book. It's on there on the block on to see. Yeah but then it was. Actually my readers would say on the freaks group on facebook who would say but my mom's not on facebook but my mom mom's not on the blog friend doesn't know how to read blogs she just looks at magazines and the advice isn't really up to date so eventually my readers who would say but if you do and then I can i. Can I have this at home and I can buy onto my mom and I thought okay and also you know ultimately that little things aren't doing I end up doing my mom happy so I hope you don't mind. We have questions for you but we also have some listeners and so first off this is a conversation comes up all the time on our show Justin I talk about quote unquote clean beauty and I love. I love your Instagram Pie. Says everything is a chemical stop the nonsense but like I just think that you have merch But lots of our listeners. Do want to know what's going on with the clean beauty movement. I'm sure you're gonNA agree with me. There's no definition from beauty. Where do you you think this whole want for clean? Beauty comes from Mongering but aren't by who who's drones and retailers and so do he owes do you yourself have any he quote no no ingredients not really so. Nothing's off limits for you. I'm not a fan of mineral oil. Okay just because it sort of cheapen. It's we're in a very weird situation now where especially because the the. US tend to shout louder the funny that but the European. I'm a lot by the way in case expense. My Mother's American. I can say whatever I want don't you you can say whatever we like it. We're in this weird situation especially on social media where there is dumped all adjusts getting profiles. There's cosmetic scientists getting high profile. Then you have to clean and green people and then you have institutions and the the differences estimations put their hands on more people than anyone so I stay to. You know there are like over three thousand skin diseases. I'm not diligent but I promise you if you put me in a room and put me head to head about product. I'll take them all on at the same time. I know more about product than any of them so for me me. It's looking at a skinning going. We'll show makeup by Shimmy. Beats by what are you go. Don't use last two drawing. That's going to be to silicone view. You need this. I need a nasty then. You need the so for me me were in this strange space where as I said if an times on videos in the UK the tail is wagging the dog. The dog being the industry in the tail being the customer. Yes and this whole fearmongering thing. That's come has primarily come from the east coast or the West Coast in America. Soaring California has a lot to answer for really. Yeah so I mean that's our interpretation in the UK. Okay because when we see it they're always and what about like the environmental working group and they put out a press release that they are like not happy with this ingredient. Greetings because it needs more testing. Do you ever find there to be truth behind. Johnston them a they make my blood boil because there again part of the fearmongering machine. You'd like the very foundation of it. Do you think people you know pupils people a lot of brands will cite. WGN Like they're idiots idiots. Do you think ah out of Naievety or no jumping on the bandwagon. They WANNA be in then not naive. These people have money they WANNA make money. They know it's marketing. I was in La when the episode of the Kardashians was on because it's the law when you're in La have to put God actions because it's like twenty four seven and it was when Courtney had been approached by the WJ and this woman said to. Her I can tell you now. For definite there's lead in your lipstick and nearly punch the TV. Did you think that they're outright lying with a lot of this stuff you think. They're interpreting being noting that outright lying. They've only recently gone not for profit. They never started that way. I always wanted to try and find out what was behind. They never started as a not for profit they were always and and they do not have a toxicologist on stuff and if they do it's a very recent acquisition because we will been bitching about it so they go on and on about the toxic where they don't hire anyone who actually knows what they all. That's word scares me. The word toxic because when people say Atlanta a lot of brands use nontoxic county. But it's like well. What's the alternative? What is what are the toxic things and isn't everything toxic at some levels? The Toxicity is dose dependent. That's another t-shirt toxicity. Dose dependent one to water as the you know yeah the minor of life. We all need water but if you have too much gene end up in hospital it drives me to destruction and I will actively asked me to review. I WANNA say adverse Yup. Oh can you see what do you think. This isn't target and I opened up the website because I was going look. I'm always like you know. What do you want to see what I'm in the states and the first three sentences I thought I just rage like educate your clients? Educate your customers. Don't fe- among people into buying something. Because I lose all respect. You're not a fan of group. I'm guessing Not particularly no group lab. I have I manage to watch half of one episode and like found myself laughing so much for children must know safely favorite Sitcom come on. I cannot and I was on instagram stories in hysterics and I had to turn it off. Because it's just GONNA bashing and they're an easy target piano so I'd rather give my you know that's out there that's nonsense but like you said every other brand is doing it now. What are some of this is a question for Meghan one of our followers? What are some of the myths that just keep coming up about skin care that every time you see it and you're like how many more times I have to tell you? This isn't a close. Everyone's still obsessed with pause there. The pause pause how report what the fact that we can't close an open them. UBS Yes pauses relentless to be. They're all still so much out there that I it's innumerable but I but I don't mind but when it becomes when it becomes an educational piece. I don't mind how many times I'm asked a question on social media always gonna be someone new Say the same thing with my team at no question is too stupid. No question can be off too many times Because obviously had spent most career training as well so you kind of get that saw right you have to you have to be able to talk to people in a way that they want to be receptive to what you have to to say. How do you know when you think of product is working because when Gen and like we get so many products as editors? I'm sure you get these X.. Amount Beato it's hard to isolate sometimes like okay. Love's Park I loved the texture. I love the smell of packaging. Yada Yada Yada the ingredient lists looks legit but for all testing so many things things. How do you personally vet something as a caroline fave enquist read the look at the formula? Look at where things sit in the formula texture. How will it absorbs? How will it goes on my skin for sort of a week or so and then I can generally tell a lot of the time you go to put your faith and a good brand which is why I don't tend to test a lot out of Like new green brands would be sketched. Try because they weren't used parabens so I'm pretty sure product did say the green things meant to be the movement not the color of your product because you stopped using power but it's I think if you try I tend to trust a brand and then look at the products and runs make missteps. You know you look and oh God I wouldn't have done that but it's not my business or whatever But generally formularies king certified. If I look at a brandon. I know what testing they've done and I know what ingredients they using and what percentages which you can kind of gauge. If you're looking at a ingredients list that's kind of how I do it really and then then it depends on whether it's fun to use texture if or or if it's sticky or anything like that when you say testing done each hug my clinical testing. Yeah yeah kind of crinkled testing okay. How trawls I mean? I don't need that for basics but if someone is going to tell me that it's going to change the structure of my skin and you would you would wanna see some testing going. And where do you see yourself. This is a question from our lovely listener. Laura she was. Where do you see yourself in relation to the wild west of beauty influencers I think I kind of stand very much alone because I'm older. I don't go north east ridiculous uh-huh trips to the invite you know. There's the probably terrified. Well they know I'm going to get into Bikini for them no matter how much they want to throw at me. So I'll get invited to nicer things. I get invited as an individual on my own two labs privately which is much more preferable to me. I don't have to you know I'm not going to sign a piece of paper that says yes. If you fly me in business to Jamaica put ten instagram post up on my grid over the next four days. I've got time for that. I'm a business woman. I'm not influencer but I have influence I I I kind of think are separated myself from the very beginning by being at least at least ten years older than all of the probably fifteen years older than most of them fifty you know. Most of these goals were in their twenty s. I've been in the industry since they were born So I don't and I don't do it dismissively I'd do it with the confidence of age right so I do. Dismiss them in that way. But I'm not dismissive. You know a lot of them. A lot of them are friends of mine. They asked me for advice. They sow we've just product but I'm about what do you think An essay not your skin babe and go lo thanks. I thought it was going to be read in my life if you do have. Yeah that that reputation for being very no no-nonsense being very honest and I think a lot of other people are afraid to be like that and beauty on a shame. It is a shame and I want to ask you about that. Like for example this this is a few years ago old example but like when glossy come came out with their solution you critiqued it fairly. You gave your opinion you. Weren't you know unfair. They surging to it that made it go viral. How funny is that still my most red post really? So why don't you recap it for our our listeners. Who may not know you're talking about I? The solution came out which is obviously the acid I coined the term acid toning. That's me so when when it came out I saw Oh amazing los after nested and I looked at the inky and I saw. That's a lot of acids. The sort of four for a brand that is traditionally aimed their demographic quite young I felt the being list was aggressive before I even started it so then I used used it and it stung my face and I took pictures because I had sort of Well now it's more like a high reaction but it was it. Felt like a burn around my nose and I thought right. We're going to take pictures. I'll see if it calms down. I'll try try it again and I found I could only use it like across the top of my forehead like areas where your skin just goes. Audrey wanted to the soldier defeat and so I I put in the post fully. I put the post up at the bottom of I put these alternatives. Ninety glow tonic police choice and NPR's fifty. which is the original acid? Toner that everyone rips off right well within I mean within twelve hours they had this AESTHETICIANS who since become we follow each other when and the instagram we're cool and one of their young employees and they were crying and they were critiquing the three brands that I compared them to without mentioning my name blog but I knew what it was. It was a direct message to my blog. Post so I just I just did another blog posts next day instead. Oh glossy I think it's still called like what are you doing. They went up to p fifty. which that I'm sorry but private message or Larry's Oh lord okay? There was like fifteen instagram story. slagging being off P fifty Polish choice. I'm sure they could Pick Ziegler twenty right so and I just and I just said my stories. I don't know what in the blog. I don't know what you're doing but I'll tell you one thing you've got a paragon who needs on. You're going to have to pull up going because she does not play mild. Yes you're listening will come for you and income hard and the next day that impulse choice Graham was like still one of my funniest things ever. It was almost like a doctor. The the sort of gifts of the the doctrine the lab coats that have dropping things in in a dust thus trash Chen and saying some people put all of their formulas and one we have twenty. Two individualist is not just oh my God. They're going for it and that's still my most used low. Pay Most scene blog post. I know that you're like okay. I'm just being honest. You're just doing your job but it's never fun to have conflicts. It's not fun to get. Hey get an email or i. Don't get the sense that you arriving so much. More come to talk about the cease and desist sub received about lawyers letters of had but I could be so much more controversial but what I will do if I believe in fair another guy attacked. I think I will you hiding places funny lay. It is a very sensitive sensitive time. The culture right now are a lot of people can't take upon jr but at the same time it's like you know art music. You know celebrity like there is critique of all these things but for for some reason like if I were to get on the mics and be like this brand you know takes Johnson a big brand. I can tell you we wouldn't have a great night sleep. That do you know why Women Daming Gaming lagers make their forecast from the interesting gaming change. Change things were changed yet. Yeah I think the restaurants like they get taken down and then they fix it and they fix fix fix it. And it's because the beauty not industry is still predominantly run by middle-age white men. I'm sorry but it is an eighth thank. You don't know you're talking a woman that's number one. Yeah you're younger than me. That's an I'm not half at the time I'm now I'm older than some of them. I'm like so you you looked and finance great. I'm really excited. I've been putting my hands on People's faces for twenty years Come at me broke So but it's because we're women it's it's an it's a women led industry and it's the only industry on earth where there are middle aged white men at the top but most of the work is a female. Have you ever seen a brand respond on positively to something and fix something because lows retiring yet so I did a video about a nice Jewish about the packaging which was basically. I love this this pot. Whatever it is but like hairstyles the Kerr Stars? Pots of conditioner. Drives me to distraction because you have to open the lid and then put your hand in it in the China. Where do I put the cream and the LID and the pot with water cost me a kidney? Yeah Yeah and then they lord advanced night repair the eye cream. That's what the stake the plastic so I sorta broken drawers plastic stay. I always thought it was it. It was supposed to drop her. And I'd like a lab sample. That was just so I opened and I saw that the ends broken off like how I thought it was going to have a lip gloss no plastic dropper and I said this was obviously made by my man in tech because no woman would comfortably rub this around there I arch he. I mean it's up. Did they did. They changed the but they got the message. Loud and clear I I. I received notice that I had been heard so it does. It's not falling on deaf ears completely. No but it's a very good brands who think we're untouchable and that's fine. I don't care yeah unlike your customer but I'm giving feedback. I do know what I'm talking about so but it's up to them all you'd I'm GonNa shout them just it is what it is. Yeah we have a question from the Monique one of our listeners. She wanted to know. And I WANNA know this too. When Sh- is it good to go to an esthetician versus a dermatologist? If you have had persistent acne since your teenager you should be in front. Abdullah Gist if you have Rosa if you skins burning if you have Russia's Russia go straight to a doctor in the UK. We go to a doctor in the here. You could go to a dumb if you adjust Asto looking at skin and going this could be a bit better my tone and the ST fields. But I feel like I'm going to be saggy. I'll go pigmentation My Skin looks doll anything. That isn't isn't a medical emergency. If you had the same rash on your but would you go to. A doctor is a good way to think of you. Know it's almost like the dumbest hugest is there to sort of diagnose knows a skin skin condition or skin disease God forbid and where more to support the life of your skin throughout your lifetime okay. We've got another question he from Emily. What ordered you? Apply Skin Care Products Enza. Okay It if you're using it don't cast any everyday anymore but you you know at least once a day every other day type thing Than a missed. I like Amiss because I'm older number dehydrated so where you would. Traditions essence may be an an eastern routine not new New York eastern as in forest. And then it's ice cream Sarah and then if you WANNA do moisturizer oil it always depends on where you are with makeup so I do oil underneath moisturizer because then my foundations. It's better if I'm going to bed I'll just put oil. Depends I prefer leaving moisturizer on top personally and we always say okay. We've told our readers or listeners raiders. Oil on top because if they're not a humectant kind of oil it depends on the oil. Obviously but it's just like a sealant an occlusive. Yeah so we thought after all of this though bear in mind this is why when I see these things and there's no definitive can cosmo. You can't say that because you don't know which because you don't what the product is so so it could be that you'll using like a squall oil that's really actually quite light and something this cool to serum like villainous daughter is an oil yes hold a series right you know so it Own Formula is king as keeps trying to get me to stay Queen Formulas Queen Okay. I'm not stress it enough. I prefer moisturizer on top because I want my skin to constantly be attracting acting moisture I will lead US hiring acid at some point in my routine behind him in any moisturizer so oh but and also it's more comfortable for an older woman to have skin that is freshly sort of crept and then going foundation on top afterwards or anything like that. So What drives me to distraction? My only complaint that I do step in and I always get tagged is when people say you. Put Your ice cream unless that drives me about the wall okay. Now uh-huh not to be dramatic brought up either on a gas it because he's got a lot of questions about that There's a lot of talk about. Is it really the holy grail of Moisture Ization. Is it not all all. It's cracked up to be some aestheticians believe you can develop a sensitivity to it. What's your take on H. A.? I don't think you develop a sensitivity to it. I think it depends on the Ph of the formula. So when I'm I'm retinoids as I would say when I'm using. It's benign on flaking. There are certain hiring Kassy's I can't use because they stink my skin because the PH is low is this isn't the quote unquote molecular weight of the the high around a gas. Not Really No. It's it's more about the formula so molecular weight You know all now. They're like we have multiple molecular weight. That you do need you so you need a multi waited one because you want a small one to penetrate You WanNA medium one to kind of help everything else penetrate and then when the canopy the canopy is when people say oh. It's only got one. Ask still going to do a good job because it goes on the skin and acts like a kind of like a circus tent and everything else can then go underneath. Changed your tune on a certain ingredient that you said. That's not good now. I think it is I'm less offended by Monroe loyal than I used to be. Okay I mean is completely anti but again this is because formulas change and now instead of just having like a big the reason is because it is not nice to message with you you get much by the message with a natural plant based oil. So there's there's nothing deep and like if you use mineral not designed to penetrate but mineral you know I've always said that memorial can be very good in an inclusive product for people who have like redness or his Asia and it's a product that a lot of people not sensitive to so you'll always find it like then yes full of manure oil but it's great for people sense skin so i. I'm less arguments about that right. Because in certain skin types and conditions it can be great. You want that Berry. Want that Barria But I'll tell you the reason this comes up. Moore's because in the urine Europe fighting fighting European facials we message in the USA. You like machines not not this one over here now. I should loves Olympia Addict. I'm talking about AESTHETICIANS I so he he mostly they're exceptions like Narrator Joy Jordan Samuel Rene Ruler. They're all hands on and don't do a lot of machinery whereas whereas you know There are other much more high tag on the radio frequency at some of the join of August so I have plenty of time for both but I always want myself John with you. What do you I think when you're talking about how in the US it's going more towards like the high tech stuff? What do you think we're missing by not leaning into the you know delicious massages and lymphatic drainage oh the connection with your client besides that though? Is there anything I mean. I'm not saying that it's not wonderful. Feeling haunt unless you do have a good thorough muscle. You don't get a feeling of where your client skin is at Thus just for me personally so okay. Marcy one of our listeners wants to get kind of deep. She says that one of the reasons reasons people respond to you is because you're not like this twenty year old like you know Lauda influence her But you talk about anti-aging allot but we also are working in unlike a world. That is quite ages especially in beauty yet. Have you felt that at all from your listeners. Or your no not from this news. I've mainly felt it from Well brands that were just never think sending me a certain Puerto which is absolutely fine appropriate. Don't want it you know it's it's more used by the younger influencers who try and dismissed me and and as a woman who's fifty. Do you ever feel offended when people call things. ANTI-AGING I don't eat ANTI-AGING I don't use the time in the book what I use the term too I I used us. I have a paragraph saying. Look you will see this word used. But it's used because this is what the industry calls until we find a better term but I'm pro aging in my very very first the video I was a guest of Salmon. Nick Chapman I said aging is a privilege. Not everyone gets and I've never understood this. I'm not anti-aging at all but I think it's the the aging question is more. I'm more dismissed by people. Don't agree with me. Oh she's old. Actually I would say I'm experienced but you do and I'll say I've got that kind of calm home. Confidence that comes with being a mother four fifty had ever to give a shit if tests. I'm currently jumping rocking Bora Bora Says No. I'm shit. Whatever I just I don't get that much of it because in the UK a more seen as like the mother hen you know so? I've already good relationship with most of the locals in the UK. Okay and then we normally ask doc with what's in your bag but one of our listeners. Ashley she wanted to know your hall of fame products the big category. I mean she could go on your blog but give us a couple of us with like cleanser. What's Bash Emma Haughty Moraga bone cleanser was? I thought God this is amazing. my pixie double cleanse kind of an easy an easy one to say just. Because you know I didn't make that product to be like a Rolls Royce cleansing. It's a good basic and it gets people into the brain of sinking. Oh I take this off with an oil and then I go in with something a bit. creamier acids P fifty obviously There are so many cream kate. Somerville Line Repair is line. Release Sorry reline release is amazing without Mascara always like crony Krista loader they make great Moscow or is it a drastically underestimated but about this year like plain old moisturizer depends on the budget. You know anything that it was a cheap one Hi Ed one Cheap one would be a neutrogena hydro at least is a grand nice moisturizer but it won't work if you're using a primer that's made of silicone A cake some bill tissue repair which is called Peptide. Kate now they had to change name. mm-hmm is like probably one of my whole grow products we've got a low and high and now we have fun at the very end so we do this at the end of with everybody. We've got five live questions. We ask everybody so the first beauty product that you remember falling in love with when you were we little little caroline dolphin purifying bom. WHOA whoa out of the gate? You're using the good stuff and now what do you do to chill out like. What's your relaxation? SCU On okay if National Victims uh-huh unit yet clean my kitchen Favorite ice cream. I ate a lot of haagen-dazs pralines and cream and I was pregnant. song that pumps you up not much Lisa Vandross and then we always raise on Mascaro onto our favorite products at the end of the show. But what are you raising two right now. It does not have to be beauty product. which is something in your obsessed with currently Shits Creek? Who did it just recently? Someone else said Daddy Stan. Levey shows a delight Yeah Creek. I am obsessed with dead like constantly. Yeah Yeah I get obsessive about things and and going to gigs. I'm obsessive about going to gigs. Merger Big Duran Duran Fan. I am the just me. No one oprah cre I'm GONNA. I'm here in New York tomorrow. Are you so excited. I can't think about it. Are you to give her facial. Co- couldn't be able to. This was super refund. I could talk to you for a arena hours. Thank you so much for coming. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me. And now it's time to raise a won- before we raise a wand. Let's have a listener as a wand. Remember guys you can email email US raise a wand at FAT MASCARA DOT com. Leave us a voice memo will in four three gave a short short with your favorite product. Your name why you love it. Maybe where you're from. I'd like to hear here's an example. Hi My name is Mary Fran and yes. Both of those are my first name and I'd like to raise a lawn to educate good behavior spray. Now it is designed for people with curly hair to keep their hair straight when they flat iron and I have hair that is so straight it refuses to curl. I've gotten half a block from blow out where I had big curls in the salon half a block later my hair was straight. My hair doesn't hold a curl and someone in the atmosphere a facebook group posted about this for straight hair needing a hold curl and they were right now. Every time I heat style my hair I use is the educate good behavior. I'm on my third can cause it works both as a heat protectant and it is the only thing that has helped lock curls into my hair. I can now curl my hair and keep the curls slash waves for three days which is unheard of when I used to be lucky to get a couple of hours a curls out of my styling products so yeah I decay good behavior spray. Thank you Mary Fran. She's good very fred in the house. Don't take our job okay. And the FM's dude. I love reading pirate's booty and it's it's like now we're eating too fast because we in between like I know someone caught. It's definitely behest about this. Okay can I talk about I- Gadget. We talk about how we don't always gadgets. But I have the gadget. Are you ready. I'm ready germ Pore Dermot poor yet. Do you WanNa know what does it do. Okay it's an ultrasonic spatula like they used to use aestheticians office and and they've brought it to consumer levels. It's really easy to use you. Wet your face turn little buzzer on and you just sort of glided up over your skin and all mention they. I don't WanNa do it on. My chest is exactly where I use it. So I have these subconscious filaments which are those little Then we'll look like little white hairs but what they are is just like sieben plugs. I have them to get rid that sometimes if you squeeze them then you make a big red mark. Oh yeah and I can't get to the facials to do it this thing. I just like. Where did you find out about this guy? Because the the Dermot Flash ladies the made the Durham. Yes this this is so much fun and then okay. 'CAUSE I had to make it a little different than aestheticians one. You can flip it over and use it. Confuse your serum guys. I'm going to be honest. I'm not infused musk deer. I'm sorry you're just using it as like a manual full leader. That is so gentle Rosa Person. Like me you can get out like I've gone blackhead every now and then even score. It's just little things. Come out and you just feel like yeah can you see it on the S- patches of course of course so this is more satisfying than like poor strip. I think it is because it's also less sense like I don't get read on my on my chin. Do it right now. I know now I'm like I need it. It's like a gadget. I use because you see the problem. Get out the gadget use it. It's not like Oh do it. Regularly to keep listening to twenty eight days coming back it's GonNa could get rid of Steven forever but it works so it's funny. I personally have not tried the report yet but I'm going to in the same vein. Let's go to raise a WAN to the DJERMA. Emma flash same. That's actually the same company and we're not getting paid by this company. Like I know that not fond. Yeah at this isn't a huts baen. It's just I've been using the Dermot Flash lately. Now you reminded me of the flash because Report Dermot flashy spoken about in previous episodes. It is like Durham Planning for at home it has a little buzzer deserve Stick it's shaver. It's okay it's an electric shaver or you don't you don't need to be barest about because it looks just like a chic piece of beauty beauty equipment musical wand and it's very economic. It feels like robbery and good kind of looks like a vibrator it Kinda does look like a vibrator not not put this even near your like child. Oh God no okay because it has a little bleed God now. It's a gun you have to pull your skin taty. Yeah it's not known as did not belong on your no this is this is above the shoulders. So you pull your skin taught you press the button on it. It comes with a blade with four or five blades. ps You really do need to use one blade in the dispose of it. Don't don't be cheap about I'm the cleanser beforehand. You can't have any like it's drying cleanser because you don't want me oils on your face oil or go go on. I follow the directions. I use grounds are so cleanse your skin's totally burner serums or anything then you take the dermot shape the Dermot Flash. It's not a shaver. And you run it across like your where impeach residue at look over my lip I do even like by my browse very careful. Lean hairline and the edge of the brow. Gotten their exactly do this. Where always have a question right right in front of my ear? There's a thing that isn't aside. Burn but it is a peach fuzz sideburn okay. I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah do you do not go to high. Because 'cause I used to do that as a teen and early twenties. It looked like I was wearing a wig or it yet. You hair in front of era. You don't get I'm glad you brought. I don't get overzealous because if you take too much hair off you're just gonNA look freaky. You WANNA get Velez hair if you start seeing. Head hair's falling off we are Durham flash a year in the wrong spot. Exactly ugly like it should be you know mine is like almost like a pale. Orange like the Velez hair. Look like fluff. Yeah it does look like twenty plus so once you're done with that ad then you put on the Djerma flesh moisturizer. Do not use them like active thing. It's like yeah because this is manual. exfoliating on your skin is a little bit sensitized APP and it comes with the Dermot Flash MOISTURIZER SIR and I have to tell you I could set my watch it every time Dermot Flash. I only do it like every week or two like just do it once a week. I think Max but I push uninsured. They're like you can do it. Twenty Times yeah no I get so many compliments on my skin because it's because it reflects light better. Yes yes. Your skin is glowing slowing. This is about one hundred dollars. It's ninety eight ninety nine and is dry cleaning dry-cleaned garment you have to keep the upkeep like to buy the blades dry cleaned ranger face. I feel like it's so it really works so I duNNo. Just don't hurt yourself because if you pushed you hard you'll hurt yourself or or if you try to reuse those blades. I made them. Yeah Yeah ooh that was a fundraiser instinct for you okay so raise the one to just because because a thank you. We're going to miss her. You might hear her voice because she did do some interviews before laughed so much to you. I cannot wait to find out her. Name uh-huh our listeners. Next time I talk to you guys. I'll be a mom live you know. Not a prerecorded. 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Q&A | Your Questions Answered.

The Emma Guns Show

1:05:41 hr | 1 year ago

Q&A | Your Questions Answered.

"Hello Hi and a particularly warm welcome to the Emma Gun show. I'm your host Emma and we're GONNA wardner and it's time for an ask me anything the Osmania that I asked for questions back in November and December. Just a couple of times. Because I thought it'd be nice to have a conversation with you and also I am publishing this in the middle of the corona virus crisis and a lot of my sheduled poku awes- have been postponed. Don't worry normal service will resume soon but as I put this off because I'd had so many guests recently. I thought actually this is the perfect time August. I'll chat to answer your questions. How lovely how brilliant my most ex. Mrs? I can have a chat on this particular episode. These questions have all come from the facebook. Group linked to join is in the show notes. And I will just say this. I do get asked quite a lot on social media or on email. Where do I find the show notes if you are listening to this episode you all already within the platform the service the provider the website that has the show notes in is just a case of if you're in a particular Internet Internet service provider. Po. 'cause platform you have to click three dots or go to more INFO or swipe the screen or whatever. But you already there. That's why you can find the hyper links with anything mentioned so just a side note. I do hope you're keeping well. I have done a sense check in the facebook group and I said let you still want me to keep creating content. Does it matter if it's not super serious and the overwhelming response has been. Please keep doing it. Please keep doing what you do. We appreciate the destruction. So that's my green light and that's what I'm GonNa keep during the pleased. I think being insensitive and I understand how freaking serious the situation we are in is but shall we go straight. That was taken fingers. Shall we go straight in and this one actually from Nora is quote quite timing? I think she posted a couple of months ago. But the question is hi Emma. My question is about day-to-day Sanity. I guess I don't care much about products and stuff but I'd love to know what you do for clearing head each day and getting rid of or ignoring the build up we get from social media and everyday life. I just learned this week. That climate anxiety is a thing which I now obviously have. What do you tell yourself every day to stay in a positive mood overall? Sorry if this is too vague or something I own only I have. I will admit I'm a bit tipsy nor you in a safe place. Welcome to the group. Welcome to the family. You are definitely Amos decks listener. It's such a good question. I guess we'll say really timely how to not get bogged down mentally how to not think that things how to not get bogged down with negativity how to keep a positive outlook and mindset. When maybe you're dealing with things whatever they might be work life relationships friendships. Whoever whatever I can definitely and I think that's one of the things I talk to. All of my friends had periods of depression or anxiety. All of us who have worked hard and feel like we are able to manage it now will say that it feels like actually having something of a superpower because you can see it coming a mile off which means that you can deploy all relevant tactics to make sure that it stays a good distance and doesn't doesn't want you to put it mildly and actually. I was listening to a podcast with Dr Doctrine. Judge Dee he obviously has been on the show. He had rich role. He was a mega mega focused in the states on his podcast and he was talking about how he was in alcohol recovery and he had a lot and he had a relapse for a few hours but it was quite a significant lab so we had to literally dial back. After thirteen years he had to dial back to zero. His sobriety installed start again and he used the expression which I've since land is is quite common in the fellowship in twelve step programs but he used the expression of. I thought that in recovery I was getting further and further away from my addiction. But what I didn't realize is that my addiction was just doing press ups in the dark waiting for that moment to pounds which I thought was I found quite meeting. I was driving when I was listening to that and I found it quite arresting. It sort of made me go. Wow Gosh and I think that's the same about positive and negative mindsets if you've been through a low period if you've been depressed if you've struggled with your mental health and you feel as though you're through it you sometime you sometimes worry that is it is going to come back quick and fast. Which is why I think you sort of. Almost you have the superpower and you on high alert to see it coming in the distance and as I say deploy all relevant tactics. I know I went up one of ramble. That but what I mean is. I think whether you've had mental health issues on not whether you suffer with depression not with your pessimist or not. I think it's good to check in with yourself just every morning and to say how am I feeling today truth be told I am on day? Eight of south isolating to protect others may not symptomatic. And it's getting to me. Yesterday evening I go to Migraine. My jaw is incredibly tight. I woke up this morning. I was weeping. I really want to count this morning and I felt am. I could feel right. Day has the potential to be one of those days. I could let drive me Rothman. I-drive it so I wrote my Yoga Mat. I did a latest stretching. I stretch my neck out. I did look deep breathing. I spend a Lotta time in childs pose and I was able to actually lessen the how the feeling of the Migraine and then just get going but it was because when I served it systems check when I woke up with all yeah. Something's definitely wrong. You know that chipper today so I did what I thought would be the right thing. I didn't work out sometimes working out the answer. Sometimes it's not intuitively. I felt like being really gentle with myself was the answer this morning. I have contact lenses in. I haven't put makeup on blow dry. My Hair I've done a bit of Yoga and now I'm just very gently sitting at my desk token to you. It's very very easy to consume social media. What's the news and failures are? Everything is Blake. I do feel like especially with the news. I don't often have news television on so when I think about I say don't often have it. I've never really had the news on. I'm not one of those people who engages in televise news that way. I've always really when using the newspapers bought. I remember if I think about significant events. I think about things like nine eleven or elections and that was when I would watch televised news and the screens would be breaking news. This that and the screens would be very automated. That'd be lots of Red. That be lots of you. Know the thing scrolling across screen going up in so you can't be stimulated and then on a normal news cycle. Those things wouldn't happen and recently when I've engaged in news channels not just in recent times maybe in the last couple of years or so. I've noticed that they the the way that the television screen the laid out is in a similar way to win what we used to associate with really really big news events. And it's just it's just to keep watching because let's face it TV channels businesses. And they have the things are so. I tend not to engage in those sorts of televised news channels too much because I find that breaking news thing. It takes me back to other instances other periods of history. That perhaps went so great so my advice to you is particularly around the time now. I know we're not going to talk to you much by the coin virus but my advice now is watch Your leaders daily address. We've forced onto during every day in the UK look at twitter. Don't re tweet or re grammar anything. They'll get your news from there and just look at trusted resources and I did a podcast recently on some really good sources of information on what's going on at the moment they're not sensationalized that with epidemiologist who are experts in infectious disease. So not only is it. James Elles doing brilliant content at the moment where he just keeping everybody updated by speaking to experts analyzing the data on a week by week basis. But also there's some brilliant stuff with Joe Rogan with an expert in infectious disease called Micro Asta home that really kind of explains the genesis of all of these sorts of things and one of the things he says during the pause because Jerry says he's you're making me nervous Michael and he said I'm yeah and by the end of this episode. We'll talk about how not to be nervous. So I feel like they're more helpful resources so in terms of clearing your head and ignoring the bill that we from social media and Everyday Life. I would really choose carefully. What it is that you can see what media you consume and who you listen to and who you follow deals want. Hap- gave me such a brilliant piece of advice and it was on this podcast when he came on the sheriff years ago where he said you're instagram. Fate is for you not anybody else. You follow who you want to follow you. Engage in what you engage what you want to engage with so if you want to look at pictures of birds if that makes you happy follow the World Society for the protection of birds and and have that comes in your feed. Thankful the person at work who makes you feel less than it's as simple as that so I guess. That's a very long winded. Say of saying well I would say check in with yourself in the morning. But we'll check in with this guy to have a good day anything lingering from today that's either. GonNa make my sleep crappy or is going to make me feel terrible or is am I carrying anything over into tomorrow? That could make tomorrow less good than it could be and then in the morning check ins anything I can do I. I like going to bed with everything tidy. So that's like my little ritual like tidy everything up before I go to bed. And then yeah. Just choose one here. You can see and who you interact with. I think that's really really important. And that does over time clear the mass and the buildup in one's head. I don't know if anyone else has any tips. Please do Common in the facebook group. I'd love to know what they are. But I hope that that gives you some insight. We'll helpful tips or some useful guidance on where to go with that one nor thank you for your question Catherine. You're next sorry of this. Topic would span both the career and lifestyle areas or is something already planned. But I would love some discussion based around career and motherhood the notion of trying to time it correctly so you can achieve both the pressures on women. He will married or a long term relationship longtime happy relationships but still feel some of the same warriors those not in relationships feel about whether the time is right. Time is running out financial pressures etc. Maybe discussion with multiple guests. You have done things differently. And their experiences. Sorry this is a bit of a ramble not Rambuteau Catherine. I like this obviously. My perspective is one area of this. That probably isn't going to be very helpful in answering your question but as and when things change and it is possible to get multiple guests on the podcast. I will be looking to you. Speak to working moms about this. Obviously my decision has been not to have children. I've never been broody so it's not something that's and I've never thought always time running out apart from what I thought apart from when I thought well actually in the next few years I'm GonNa Menopause and that's GONNA lead to hormonal changes and hormonal and brooding us is in many regards hormones and I just thought God. I really hope that I don't as my menopause. I don't get that surge in humans it makes me feel broody and then have the whole thing of. Why didn't I do it because at right now here today? Not In the menopause. I feel very good about my decision but I just I worry about my who mind playing tricks on me so I almost him saying that to put it on tape so I know exactly how I feel about it but anyway Catherine in answer to your question I will try to create that as a panel discussion. Because I think that's a really interesting discussion and I do think I do. Think if you all in your throat is in your thinking about. Did you say unity's decision that you did? I think it was a previous previous question was anyway. If you all in that Mine Hoedspruit thinking my time is running out. Should I do it now? But if I do it now I could potentially sabotage or maybe minimize my potential in business. I do think that's a conversation that would be really good to have with a panel of guests so yes I will work Eudora Laura Asks I emma. I'd love to know more about the rewards podcasting financial otherwise you clearly invest a lot of time and energy into producing the podcast which is much appreciated. Thank you Laura. I wonder what your motivation is. And whether there are any financial gains to be had for focuses costs in general. I'd also be interested to know where the guests a paid again. This could be discussed on a general basis. Thanks thanks Laura. What are you question? The rewards of focusing in the main genuine lay all in is my interaction with the my my sex listeners. Because without you there is my focuses. Otherwise I'm just a very hot women talking to thin air. Not Being listened to for me. Also what is really important is getting great people on the PODCAST. I mean there's obviously different layers of shows but okay in the main. So let's look at the experts. I really try to cover subjects that you are interested in or curious about or feel. Perhaps you'd like to understand with more clarity and then I worked really hard to try and find the right guest for that conversation. The right guests. Meaning I'm very exact about who I have on this show. I'm sure there are some people who have said no to. He probably feel a little bit hard. Not hard done by which is fielded. Well that doesn't seem fair but it's just if I think that there's any Hokum if I think that people are pitching snake oil if I think people have stick and they're using that stick to monetize and they've all they're just someone who loaded followers. No that's not going to happen. You can have fifty followers but be an expert in your field and you're going to get on the show and so that for me has always been really important because that was something. I never really felt like I with any journalistic pieces. I wrote mother. I wrote loads there. Wasn't that great long features. But you know when you sweet spot you know when you hit a bullseye with content and I was always in the outer ring if the Dow Board or the artery border everywhere to say when I was trying to write it because there was a bit more of an agenda and thinks edited whereas with long phone conversations. You get to really open up a subject and then people are you get to take away from it. What you want to take away from a life and I feel like that's become that is a really valuable resource. I was using podcasts as my own therapy while And that's really what I wanted to do is just kind of create shows armed you with as much information as possible with with people who you genuinely one hundred percent respect. So there's there's that sort of thing so when I say experts I mean when we're talking about things like peri menopause and having Dr Suhair rocket on having doctoral McQueen Dr mcquaid on or I'm talking about skincare and like Dr Dennis Gross on or I'm able to get a daughter Emma Wedgwood on people who actually one hundred percents. No their staff are qualified. That's really really important to me. So then we move onto things like this lightly more fun episodes where it's like me. Caroline Trini and the Dean and it's just women's shooting the Breeze Wall Street ordering breakfast. Honestly you should see my face but also just having a really good time with each other. Because that kind of bonding conversation I think is I mean. It was lovely to be apart of but the overwhelming feedback. I've had it was lovely to be a part of even as listener so in that case. I just tried to get people on who I just think of really awesome good solid people and I'm very lucky to call people. My friends and my background is the beauty industry and so I have met so many wonderful incredible people in the beauty industry and whenever I think about the industry I think about Michelle Doherty. You came on. The Po cost really early days. She is the founder CEO owner of Alfa Skincare and she came on really early doors and she is a formidable businesswoman. And I've always been a little bit intimidated in her company but it was really wanted to me poke cost and she opened up and after that. I just felt like I know I could ring Michelle up anytime and Gee I hope she would feel the same. I just think she's an incredible woman and I got to know so much more about her than just the fact that she produces these incredible skincare products that can do wonders for people with troubled skin and other times but I I learned so much more about her in that conversation and that was a real starting point for repeating away the layers of these wonderful people who I've known for many many years and just kind of taking a conversation taking a slight u-turn or taking left turn away from the brand or the expertise or experience and really understand the business light so that that for me has been really rewarding. It might sound a bit lame but that for me like really getting to know people in the beauty industry and unpicking. Some of these brands doors has been really fascinating. You often only hear those stories. When it's fantastically rich wealthy people who wanna Forbes list or the best friends with the celebrity or they are so they're not and I think we sometimes forget that. Yeah it's not. It's not just about so if you know big names. Everyone in the industry has a story. And as you will tell if you know the back catalogue over three hundred episodes. Everyone has a story. James Read Michelle Doherty was about say Jordan Samuel. But we couldn't recall but I hope that next he's in London we'll be able to record an NBA caroline hirings who's Experience in the industry is so vast and now she does what she does and Hostelries incredible and she likes under on if he had. If you didn't know so those are those are some of the rewards said of being able to to really produce these conversations that hyper valuable entertaining and comforting and it could get company but also I try genuinely. Try so hard to listen to what you want. I know at the beginning of the year. I want to surprise and delight you. I'm me by tackling subjects that I wouldn't normally go for and the response to that has been so positive and so supportive so thank you so much but I'm not going to go after something and I think it's going to resonate so as much as I listen to you and I listen to all of you weed oil emails and I read all of your DM's and I tried very very hard to make sure that I get what you want. I also do try to say. Well how can we just kind of find the overgrown wriggle around this and and grow which is why I had dome on the professional dominant and you loved him and he will be coming back? Don't you worry about that the rewards of posting financial. So mean for me would obviously being up to create the content financial. Yes if you listened to the podcast you know. There are advocates an idea at reeds. And that's how I generate revenue but the other thing that the focused on for me is that it has a lot of people in the media. No I can conduct interviews and so I've been I get jobs during panel hosting panel discussions. I've also been able to showcase my knowledge a bit so it's been able to. I've been approached by brands to work with them. Whether that's on consultancy or new put development or maybe on some sponsored posts which I hate Miami doing. I will just say this because it's been really bothering me for a while when I did the Christmas. Putting the daily post in December some of the episodes are quite short. And somebody in the states. Message me saying your episode. Today was more ads than it was content. And I'm really really sorry about that. I don't always have visibility on what happens in different territories and it would never ever be my intention to short change you or have you feel like that. I listen to Joe Rogan. Last time I checked is obviously after after I got email I then went under sincere about forty different and timed. How long narrow adverts were and some of the advert breaks particularly pre roll can be up to ten minutes and I always just fast forward through them and I didn't think anything of it so I just sort of you know that you've got that function on your thing that can false for thirty seconds I but I do of. I don't want it to be something that you feel is dominating equally. I don't open up my mid roll on the podcast which is one of the most lucrative places to place advertising. Because I don't want to be having a conversation with dom about being a professional dominant and then mid-sentence you hear room and then there's a thirty second advert or woman advert for Insert Wellness advertiser. Hey I just don't feel that is appropriate so I don't ever open those just so you know. So that would be a revenue stream. The I don't even don't even don't even entertain because I just I think could potentially minimize what I'm looking for. It just might make the content seem less discipline and it just. Why would you want to be interrupted when you'd have to be so that we go But again I'm really good friends. With the right-handed po Costa's hunter and Cerruti go back through. Coin focused eighty really well so we sometimes chat to each other about how to maximize these things. I am looking at Patriot on Lynn. Looking looking at starting patron for awhile which would be there. Were different layers of supporting a podcast or content creator. So it's like you can pay two dollars a month five dollars a month. Eight dollars a month ten dollars a month. Whatever and you get depending on what you pay you get additional content but this feels like the wrong time to do it during the corona virus. But that's not to say that I'm not using this extra time to explore it but it would be nothing on this feed would change. It would be that you'd get additional content if you were to subscribe but I mean actually I'd be really interested. Know what you think about that. You like crying out now or would you be up for. I've had I have had messed in the past. People saying we would like to support you so if you start a patriot and we would subscribe. We would become members. I'd say I didn't know how it works at the time. The anyway I leave that in the air and you if you wouldn't mind letting me know if you feel strongly either way about it. I'd be really grateful all right. Let's ski onto Holly. Oh this is the thirty something question that's got mixed up. Hi Emma I guess I have a bit of a thirty something in single question slash topic suggestion precious to find someone. Clock is ticking. Do you need to be someone? Can you be happy alone? Is it enough? Why people judge and should they judge? Should you compromise if do get into a relationship and how much? I'm sure I could go on and on I would say I'm still relatively new to the podcast so may have missed previous discussions on this. I will call some areas being covered by estee. That's Estella lawn when she came on the show. I think this would be interesting for the demographic of listeners. I am assuming thanks Halloween. That's a really interesting question and I do think it's worth opening up to discussion. I know a lot of people as they included. Who we see he can tell them stumbling. I find it difficult to articulate a little bit because I think every time I've spoken to any friend he was married or in a relationship for years in fact a few more recently here a little bit older but I remember my thirties. If I'd say yeah I mean I would like boyfriend but I'm honestly not fast. They I could tell they were looking at me thinking and they would say you're saying that because you don't have it so now. I'm forty two. I think tone has changed and I'm like I really if it comes my way yes but I feel like those years of thinking. I should be on red alert for and I should. I should be looking for signs. I think that's probably just gone a little bit and also I work for myself. I single income household. I Ref- over my head. I'm not saying that new relationship. We're looking for somebody to do that. But if you're looking for a relationship we're looking for somebody to do that but always say it means that the things that I'm looking for maybe slightly less than I would have been looking for if I'd been in my twenties I guess. In my twenties it would What somebody would have been a consideration? I'm being really shallow by saying that. Probably probably I'm sorry so yes. I do think that could be a really interesting one for a group discussion. Maybe with someone in their late. Twenty s some in their early thirty. Someone in late thirties and me. What do you think about that? I believe you can be happy alone. I think he always I think anybody. I know being really honest about this. I worry about the future and if I am in a state of need and what will happen then because who I turn to you. I have friends but I also I have cultivated quite strong boundaries which I think again I probably need to work on but I do believe that's a really good conversation to be had with a with another interesting panel of carefully selected friends. Maybe estee back. Would you like to stay back? I do enjoy estee. She's great I'm just going to double check that question to make sure I haven't missed anything dotted. Okay Beth shepherd is might only be of interest to a minority but a post on eating disorder. Recovery for adults would be helpful particularly methods to prevent self sabotage a maintain motivation discussing how to switch off from societal investors about losing weight. When there's a need to gain weight to become healthy would be helpful. But that's a really interesting question. I just did poke Causes Mandy Selig Ari which obviously which was more about food addiction but really highlighted to me. How complex this is actually how. How little resource I've ever really seen on this. And so I. Do you want to create something helpful and healthy on this and that is in the works. I know you probably met message. This in December and it's now march but it is something that is on the way so please. Please be mindful of that also. I know I've talked about the book brain over bench that I read and felt help recalibrate my relationship with food but I know that Katherine Hansen. The author is creating extra content now for people who have stockpiled food meaning. They've got more food than they would normally and are struggling with how that feels and so I will put the link to Catherine's social media and podcast show. I think he's blocked about it because I do think Anyone who has any kind of he eats when they're anxious anything like that is going to be struggling now. Because I don't know about you I've got food delivery coming but it is certainly not robust enough and I don't know where I'm going to get food in the neck after two weeks because there are no delivery slot so where am I going to go out to the market. And why not you know. But I'm sure I'm sure it'll be fine but I think what I'm trying to say is a moment. I think a lot of people I'm seeing when I was on social meteorology. Lots of people to talk about in the snacking and whatnot and eating their way through their supplies. So I think the situation is really highlighted. The conversation I had with Mandy but also the conversation I had with Mandy really highlighted to me. How much support is needed for somebody? Who is an eating disorder recovery? And how helpful it would be degree show. That really spoke to that. So thank you for that. Question is on the way. Carol Think Armand Be Mentioning. Awhile ago about getting back into dating. Have you how you guessing on any tips or advice? I'm a year one from a bad break up. Need to get back out there. Yes I did talk about it so I was going sign up with a dating agency. Not because again. It's the dating from me. Falls into I suppose I should as opposed to. I really want to go to the Maldives. Like there's a definite different tone in my approach and bought. I did so think again. I always do this around my birthday at the end of last year. I thought well I'm going to have to address this at some point because it feels like I should again should word so. I haven't really ever enjoyed the dating apps I think that too. I just I mean sort of broad statement. I've never enjoyed the dating APP so I thought about joining a dating agency so I contacted Gene Smith who was on this podcast ages ago when she published her book. So I told you. She's dating expert and I asked her advice. And if she knew of any good dating agencies and gene came back with this feedback and so did a couple of other people. Actually they said for women. It's just not a good investment. I really wouldn't recommend it. Because women are prepared to invest. But meant that the sort of rough paraphrasing of what most people who came back you have experienced and they said to me was women will invest men won't so often what happens with a dating agency and all the time but sometimes what happens is a dating agency charge women and not men so that they get enough men on the books. Therefore what's the incentive and you're just kind of paying for a potentially similar experiences you get on the APPS so I did go back on the APPS after I got that feedback and I tried to have conversations with people and that didn't go anywhere and so I thought you know what the most common thing like say on dating APPs is. I'm here to look if you're willing to meet up then the Wilbur and so I've just realized there's so much to be interpreted from a how I chose to do the accent so I just anytime I matched with someone I just say. Hey Defense your coffee in the next week and one bloke came back and said sure as long as you're not prick right so if you try to have a conversation it goes nowhere and if you directly auspey without goes nowhere and I've never been very good at flirting or doing that. Kind of being coil. Leering men inside. Us All both to this. So that's my attitude at the moment. Also currently selfies -lating so no dating action happening all. But that's not to say that whole thing about dating agencies where to find. Dating dates isn't a conversation. I don't want to have because it does seem to be that. If you want to do it you have to go to class or you just have to go somewhere. I think Jean does this. Where you go out a group of you go out. And she's like right. Govan towards that one person this thing and they they walk you through it. Coral twenty-six habits. Did you think about turning into a book? If so how far along are you? I did I did. And then I read James Clear Atomic Habits and I just thought I cannot put a book about habits with this in the world because it's a perfect book about habits and I highly recommend that you read Lincoln show notes. I have had a conversation with a couple of publishers. I then came up with another idea that I thought could be really good but I have to be really honest with you. I just don't see the point of writing a book for the sake of it. It would be brilliant from my brand. Obviously Emma published author. But I just don't see the point of doing it and as I truly truly love it and I came up with an idea and I really liked that. Yeah I can feel that happening and then it's been six weeks since that meeting never went down to sketch out the idea. We'll take any further so I think maybe it's laziness but I just think with a book because of how long it takes him because of how because of the investment every time investment everything you have to really feel like you. WanNa get out of you as quickly as possible and I don't feel like that about twenty six habits. I feel like it exists really nicely as a year long series and I feel like I am ready to park out now and just do it and if there is a book or be on something else and it probably be slightly deeper it might it might be about some of the conversations. Have been on the podcast but I don't know yet but it is. It is an idea that does keep sort of going back and forth. So I'm sure something will happen and I and I'm quite when it comes to creativity and content. When I know I know and I will just go white. All guns blazing and I'll go for a more. No nothing so I haven't had the all idea I've only had the nothing ideas so I'm not going to do. The twenty six happens books at the book. If you want the only thing that does annoy me. Is that the pool where I was publishing. The cost is what is on here. Closed down and all of that content is lost and I should at some point. Try to see if there's a way of collating all back and then creating twenty-six Habits Web web page on my website but again I do feel like it exists really nicely and all of the show notes kind of tell the story to so there we go but thank you for your question Carl. Harriet I know you love dogs. Why don't you have one? I want one but instead of the commitment. Which forty one feels a bit ridiculous? I Love Dogs I love. I love all animals Nevin animal. I didn't think I don't have one because I rent on my also. Don't have one because it would as much as it would be nice to. I guess have some sort something that means. I have to be in a certain place as time I am so used to my freedom now I think I find it quite quite lot so it's not something I would love and actually I live near Big Park and there are lots of dogs and when things have changed when we're through the worst of this might offer to there's some people I chat to dogs and say if you walk your dogs just let me know because I go for a walk around the block every day if I can so Who knows. Maybe I'll do something like that so I'm sort of half owning a dog Anne busy days. I'm so much great advice out there on Diet and fitness. What are your top five daily rituals that you couldn't do without brushing teeth rituals but obviously not brushing your teeth. That's given so much credit of us out there on of fitness where. You're talk five daily. Which was you couldn't live without okay. About Diet and fitness I. I believe in movement moving first thing in the morning I believe in whether it stretching whether it's doing an like like an excise whether it was doing an exercise though I have a little home gym with Bo. Sue Ball a couple of five kilogram weights a ten kilogram kettle bell on a Yoga Mat and create. I've written three workouts one for lower body upper body one for call and they raw three each of them circuit and I didn't three times and that takes just over thirty minutes and that is a great way to start the day or go for a walk in the park so they are non-negotiable. The only time I won't do any of that is if I have to get up early and go straight into London. Lightest thing well. I will get the slightly earlier train. Walk from the station to wherever my point is which is usually about half an hour forty minutes and so I just think well I'll get. That's how I'll get the in my lungs. That's how I get my lymphatic system moving. So that's one movement I do like to have coffee in the morning. I know I should chug it down with some more to have some water as soon as I wake up but I don't but I do really enjoy having a caffeine hit in the morning and that is one of my rituals whether it's a great one. I don't know what's another one. I try so hard now or I have understood. That snacking does not do me any good so I don't snack. I have my breakfast. I have my lunch and I have my dinner and that has become something. I've implemented since reading brainer. Who Binge because for me snacking. Never really stopped stopped at snack so the best thing to do was just to not do it. So that's my third ritual. I once I stop eating and I try to when I say my dinner I leave an hour and then I have some sort of herbal tea. Whether it's a peppermint tea or whether it is a sleepytime t I find that absolutely just brilliant for sort of sesame out for bedtime and also just sometimes when you finish your D- anything fancy something sweet and I think everyone just hold out and have that would actually it does. Stop me from feeling like knocking on something else against knocking over the issue for me and then the other thing is before bed just again doing that. Stretching on King my neck on King my back and just going how do I feel everything right? Those are my rituals. I guess they're not particularly exciting. But that's Pauline. You mentioned the binge eating book and said that you've lost weight since reading. Can you talk about this please? Of course I did a podcast about a mini show. And I'll put the link to that and show notes. I read brain. I've been at the right time. I don't know if it would have had the same effect that I read a year ago. Eighteen months ago but it was as I said on the Mandy Saligari podcast. It was if there was a series of dominoes might entire life that domino's have been in a series but the space between then it's been t great and a series of events meant that those dominoes look closer together and so things like having breast reduction surgery having my picture taken next to Elizabeth Taylor. Liz Taylor is with early My imminent birthday which always makes me feel a bit and thinking August. You really want to be battling your weight in your fifties which I don't and so all of these dominators got closer together and then I read the book and that was GonNa Domino. Actually make me act and do the things I always not been able to do like stop eating. And because I've always exercised the excise. Never been the issue and actually since I've got down my eating. I've actually been exercising less but I have lost weight so maybe that many show. We'll give you a little bit more of the insight. I I'm not really talking about what I've done to his way of. We see I've just stop snacking and I'm just really mindful about portion size and also I swear by Ian. Hey Seventy basket if I cook myself a really delicious meal from that book. I feel like I've eaten really really well whereas before I'd sort of snack. It's not so unsatisfied and like snack and then beyond spice knocking them be unsatisfied. And then eat dinner and then beyond spines but I need a snack whereas now every day. I know I'm going to have something to delicious for dinner because I've got that book and I haven't found a meal in that so I would definitely suggest we're listening to that mini show that I did a few weeks ago rather than me repeat the whole thing but thought that book came at the right time and I will say this. Alex light recommended it to me and I ordered it. I think I'm going on next day delivery and I was really nervous that it wouldn't have an impact on me because Alex has spoken very highly of it and I've I had subsequently read other people saying that changed their lives and I thought what if I read in it doesn't it doesn't resonate with me and I think that's why I think a year ago it might have the same impact. It was a series of events that meant I was in the right head. Space to apply. What the book tells you which is which is really really useful and to stop over thinking it and just think quite a quite like the simplicity of how you have to think quite linear. So that we lauren off what brings you happiness and contaminant your life knowing that my friends and my family are well knowing having good friends obviously bit challenging them because those things will things. I have to keep a distance that we're keeping arm's length because of the current situation with self-isolation and social distancing What brings me happiness Work the podcast really really does make me feel good. It gives me a purpose which I think is really important and also the contentment parts of it and later people have said this recently and Jeff Tommy Thompson talked about it as well. It's just that being still yourself. I think going to the very very first question about the build up of social media news and noise. I think it can be very easy to almost disconnect and I think that very easy process and not time consuming process of just checking in with yourself. Do I feel. Alright today how am I? How do I feel about this situation? I've noticed that served me really well like I used to come away from some social situations because I was so desperate to please and make sure we also come away and thing. I didn't think I acted brilliantly in that situation because I was so worried about what other people were thinking during that. I actually didn't check check myself so I think I think you can always tell somebody. He's quite sending quite calm and he's looking at the situation rather than do you know what I mean looking into the situation rather than being led by it so contentment definitely comes. I think from things like meditation deep breathing and just being still jeff talks about being still. Do think it's something that feels so unfamiliar but is a good thing to do. And at the moment in self-isolation there's a lot of scope to be still and I'm trying to see the positive in the current situation and be still a bit more. Lisa what are your top seven skin and make up products that if you had to leave the house in a fire you'd grab not wishing fire neither. Thanks Lisa I appreciate that. Then not branded products. They are not. They are just types of products so cleanser a good cream. Cleanser would do me just right. Thank you very much. I do have my favorites. I'd like to collect collect one from superdrug from the be range. I love that one skin cream fencers already good but any cream cleanser I wouldn't anything foaming and I probably wouldn't want to bomb. I'm GONNA go serums all one safest serums I includes my highlight my antioxidant and my retinal deodorant. I'm currently swearing by the Kate. Somerville Dieskau Cream for my breast reduction surgery scars and I think it's flipping excellent only available in the states though but it is amazing because it comes in a little tube and it's got a rollerball and so you twist the cap you dispense a little bit. You close close thing again and then you massage and scars really respond to massage. So it's a it's a brilliant product. I'm really really chaired by. I think it's a great result of that. I think also I'm a big big fan of the living proof range. I've been using the full range recently. I've switched from using Varsity and I've gone over to living proof. Full really be out my thin hair so I think I would bring up the entire range with like the Moose and the thickening cream and the law. Yeah I wouldn't be able to bring Shampoo One two three four five. See what else would I bring? Moisturizer dislike a very one of my serums. I know I know I'd want like a a cold cream at some point probably bring a Navia or If money was no object some Marine cream because that stuff is delicious anomaly or the Triple Lipid moisturizer by skin. That incredibly delicious. I like those very much. And what else would be absolutely skin. Well makeup makeup. Probably the myself in that by doing six Ginga backout Moscow by by benefit is insanely insanely good. And I reckon if it was that one other thing probably the Charlotte Toby Monica Magic Vanish into which I could use demise and around my nose just to make my my takeout readiness for my skin and would make my complexion that quite good. They all brilliant products. I absolutely love them. So yeah those would be line Deodorant is Mitch and by the way Yup okay again Yulia Yulia Yulia. Do you find it difficult to navigate. De-fund IT tricky to navigate female friendships. How about the work life balance they. I'm going to address them as two separate questions. Do you find it. Tricky to navigate. Female Friendships No. I think I find it difficult to navigate friendships in general because I am dependent so I can. I can Really Fall in love with my friends and then they mean a lot to me and then it can be really hard when you realize you mean same to them so in recent years because I fell foul of thought terribly really hurt I I try to have better boundaries but in so in general now I like all my female friends. I'm I'm a loyal person. I try to seek out low people if they turned out not to be loyal. I'm like okay. I'm good to know but I don't. I used to cut people off and just go. That's that's the end of that. I feel very betrayed and now I'm like you know what that's all lesson and they still have some wonderful qualities. Let's just move on so I do think female friendships can be the most wonderful thing you can have in your life. But I think the most important thing is understanding your boundaries. And knowing what you're getting out of something because as I have in previously so this is not me with any judgment but previously I have wanted or expected or needed more from my friend than is reasonable for them to give and I used to Which meant made me over. Give to sort of go. What if I'm doing this view? I kind of somewhere down. The line would expect that you do the same for me. It was it sound. Honesty was came from a very loving place. But when you say that loud like that is quite it does seem not say Nice so anyway There's that and then how about the work life balance. I think I can speak very well on that. Because my social life my work life blur so he usually and most of my friends friends that I know through the beat. The industry through the media which is fine by me and it means the inevitably. When I'm socializing. What will come up I don't have that I have friends who knew nothing about my work because They will people who all my colleagues friends I've known from the industry so I don't think I'm a great person. Talk about work life balance. But that's actually a really good idea for a podcast with an expert you can actually say about how to be bound. Redrew those lines between professional relationships relationships friendships and the like interesting. Thank you I really like that I will. I think focused on work life balance would be really interesting if you want to get off skin. The facebook group. That's really important Jenny. Also about handbags any recommended mid ranged budget and he recommended rates. But I mean to be honest I always go to. Tk Maxx just something in the low end designer range. That's been heavily discounted so my my ought to be honest. My I usually just wear like a tote again from TJ Max 'cause like so much garbage in my bag when I'm out and about Sandwich Kent but my nice handbag is a yoga one legal from tk Maxx and it was a steel. And it's quilted and it looks the business and I use it when I'm feeling particularly Buji so I always just say. Tk Maxx I like the Yego ones. I always really nice. One from reese a few years ago in the sale but yeah most every day I wear. I wear quite a big bag because I've usually got books. Or what have you in them? Laura I guess you receive a lot of products from great brands to try them. Do you think there is any gadget? That really worth the spend really worth spending money on for instance. Those expensive voters offer radio interesting. I don't believe in the rollers. They feel Nice but don't expect them to do anything for you. I mean they do. I've got a jade roller of a rose quartz. One and when I have a migraine. It's actually really nice to rub it on the back of my neck and my because my is usually my sinus my sinuses inflame and say the cooling feeling is really nice but those things aren't going to do anything to the quality or health of your skin for a really nice cleansing tool it works with White by vibrating. And it's those rubberized Rob Roy surface so it can kind of really get in there and clean. But I I'm not really I would use it but I honestly. I love a micro fiber cloth when it comes to devices for me. The only ones that I think are wonderful partly because the technology has really evolved in the last ten years or so. I feel at home machines as you know. If you're a regular not what you saw me on a dean's channel. I am a big big fan of the Phillips Lamia. It's an IP L. Device that allows you to treat at home with the sort of lay. Not Layman's people would say. Laser hair removal. But it's inaccurate court laser. It uses intense pulsed light so you and the intense pulse like the pop. The light is attracted to the melon in there and so and then and the sense heats down the follicle. Can you hear me going word? Emma get the word out since the heat down the follicle and Kills weakens the follicle with repeated use. You can actually really would use the the hair that is coming out. I've definitely noticed. I've been quite religious with it recently and I've definitely noticed that some of the hairs particularly on my Chin are much weaker. But I have a stubborn follicle going on my tinder profile. My follicles are stubborn. So do have been treating them for a while but they will need continued treatment. I'm not one of those people who's coming to just use it for six months and they're going to dissipate completely because I do have quite stopping in half so that we go but I use it because if I didn't it would be much worse than it is And then the other one and there's also abroad one as well but I know that my friend Anna Newton really likes about the honor Ida and the other the other expensive device. What am I thinking of? Why is it just evaporated from my brain of the intense pulse? Ip L. I I love I love a silk appeal any kind of Appalachia to all come back to. I'm sure there's another one. I'm looking around to see if it's charging behind me anyway. No it's not but that is a brilliant machine. I do think that's really really good and worth well worth it. I always say. Think Electric toothbrushes Allworth at particularly the oil. Which is the round head. Because I've spoken to a lot of dentists and they all say that's the one that's that's the business that's GonNa get your gums teeth etcetera in the healthiest state. So I would say that they all very much. What at leas-. At least is there anything about your job that you don't like and what else would you do? Career wise and Paul. From what you're doing now general They're all things about my work that I don't like definitely and when I went freelance I think I thought that I would be by going. Freelance I was eliminating those things from my working life. That had bothered me in an office. You know whether it was meetings that could have been an email office politics or you know people being territorial any of that stuff. Say when when I'm doing my own things whether it's the pump cost or consultancy or working with other people and and something begins to Jangle. Minos begin to go I think this is really good because if you loved it one hundred percent than that just seemed. That just seems ridiculous. I'm pretty sure that Madonna before he's gone on stage in the past. It's gone I could really do with an item or has had to go to a production meeting until I really don't want to be by this. I'm sure that even people here we would perceive as having amazing jobs with incredible financial reward and adulation and stuff that. I'm sure that there are elements of whether they don't like movie stars. I assume the same. So yes when I do sit down and I think I don't have to speak to that person about this thing or I don't WanNa have to jump through that HOOP IDEA. Get irritated and then. I think this is what it's about you should. You should have something that you like. That makes you appreciate the days when you get to do a Polka like this or you get to travel somewhere and go into an interview. Someone WHO's only given. He's only giving one interview all there in the in the case of Andy Product come from head space. He's doing one interview in the UK and he's giving it to you. That's like a real win. That feels really got got out good so I think it's perfectly fine to have parts of the two parts of your job that you don't like I think you should in a way as long as outweigh the good so long as a healthy balanced and what else would you like to do career wise apart from what you are doing now. I just really like to build on this if I'm really honest and really liked to do a live event which obviously all live events are off at the moment. I'd really like to do a live event whether it'd be like a day long thing with talks guests. That's really on my radar. Something to do. I would like to write a book but again as I said earlier it has to be something that I really hope you have to love the idea that you can't keep the book inside. U I think and Yeah. There are plans. What's this Eighth Lauren? I know this is an this is often a contentious topic. One we shouldn't ask about is it's a very personal thing but if you're happy to share with US I'd be interested to know about your child freeness whether it's through choice or circumstance whether you have always known that you would not have children whether it causes you any conflict regret or not at all as someone who has lost two children now in a place considering whether or not to keep trying to have a child. I'm sorry I'm very interested in other women's choices and experiences either way it's too personal question than feel free to tell me to bug off. Lauren. We do not shy away from the motions on the emigrant show. And I'm happy to answer that. I've never had the urge as I alluded to earlier. I've never had the urge to think I want children but a few years ago I had friends who were mums. Who would often talk to me about? Your window is closing. And if you're going to do what you WANNA do it now. And there was a sense of urgency to get boyfriend into because and then it was like if you get with him. Then you'd have to think about when you want to get pregnant and then that would be this and then you'd be this age when this happened and again just my eyes glaze over. I can't really explain to you why I've never wanted children. I like kids of WHO's been slightly scattered them but because I think you can hurt them quite easily. I used to be really scared about dropping them and then I hung around with lots of young kids. And I'm better about that now because actually I did one once and it was fine but thoughts. It's a combination of choice. No seconds I've never been with anyone and had that conversation or do we want to have kids so it's sort of. It's just never come up. Does it go with me any conflict? No Do I regret it. No I worry about. My menopause hormone changes surging my brutishness. But I've already mentioned that. But that's why I'm going to be in the good care of a woman doctor to make sure that doesn't happen. And that I ease my oriented menopause and like a Beautiful Swan. Hopefully that's how work potentially be optimistic. yeah. I mean if the only time I've ever thought about having a child is just thinking about kids who are opened or yeah need would benefit from a home and I sometimes think all my selfish because that's probably a kid out there who would benefit from from home. I could potentially give them and sometimes I think about that but not deeply not enough for me to look into it but again it's really interesting discussion and going back to the earlier question covered this in some part to it might be interesting to get a few people on the phone calls to really talk about this with with with different experiences So Lauren thank you for that question. I will definitely explore that more detail. Linda I'd love to know how you felt your. Your ability speaks confidently. What are your tips for dealing with a crisis of confidence? Oh Gosh I think I'm just a loud mouth it's very easy to speak confidently when though in the room. Which is exactly what's happening right now so I would say I would say listen to the episode. I DID CAROLINA The Vocal coaches ends Speech therapists. She's brilliant. And I know that people have listened to the podcast. Not only the long run but she did a mini show about. Oh my God. You've got stage fright. What to do in this moment and people have listened to that and gone and done presentations at work. And they've had they've said it felt completely different. It felt completely different. And actually afterwards people came up to me and said you seem so confident you seem so together so I'll put the link to the caroline go to Po- cars in the show notes because I think that's the best way I've always just liked attention is the true true on so just like being hurt. Or it's like I've just always liked to having the floor but you only get to keep the floor something interesting to say so. I guess if there's any trick that you know you can be a show boater but you've also got to have content. You got to have something that people listen to say. Maybe it's a combination of the two and the final question. Sarah says an update on the newborn how they have changed your life or not things that fine. The breast reduction was let me think nine months ago now and they've settled. I definitely still. I'M SURPRISED BY THEM. Every single day. But in but I've also forgotten what the old ones like and I don't have any pictures I'm tempted to contact my surgeon and say could you possibly something my before pictures but I think it would be quite? I think I'd be shocked but anyway The best way I can describe. It is thought I didn't. I actually still have an old sports bra from big days. I put it on the other day and I stuffed it and that's ridiculous but I just didn't realize how much I was working around and how much it was in my way and the other thing it's done which has been really wonderful. Yes already talked about this. I've lost weight since I had the production I lost. I've lost weight before and I've never. I've never liked my body shape and then I've never really seen it because I had these big heavy psyche boobs A now I've lost weight and I can. I can see my body and I was talking to Joe Jones about it the other day she I think she said something about you addressing differently and close look different and I I just feel completely different and even excising funeral capable. I'm not I didn't realize how much they were. Because you just have them so you don't know it's only when you when you have the surgery you realize called. They actually were in the way a lot and they impacted whether I could do. This will whether I could do that. So Yeah They. It does feel life changing and it was if it was quite quite trouble troublesome to sort of say yeah. Invasive surgery is life changing. Because I don't want anyone to suddenly just go. Oh well then. It's normal to go and do that. It isn't as a really big consideration but for me personally I just feel like it's made a huge difference and I. I feel so glad that I did it. I feel so good that I did I do I. Even I was gills. The other day we went to one rebel we did spend gloss together and I hadn't seen him for months and I walked in and he went. Oh my God. Even though he was sitting everything is different. It's completely different. You're hiring of self. You're walking completely differently and it is. It's not your shoulders. You're so used to carrying something heavy that after the fact use of hunt your shoulders up around your ears and it's taken me ages to be able to relax my shoulders and just walk with my head up my back straight because I'm no longer and hunching to hide big boobs so yet long onto to quite simple question. They are great. Thank you very much. They haven't been affected by the weight. Loss thank goodness. Because that'd be a bummer. They all smaller though. I'm fine and it does feel like it does feel like a very positive thing that I did. Even though it was scary and risky and expensive and all those things I don't Mcgrath second over and I'm really really pleased. I did it and again. If you want to know a little bit more about that entire story you didn't hear the pump cost. I did a whole episode about how to find surgeon. Wh- consultations are like how it feels. I did probably gloss over in the episode because I didn't remember pain. I probably made their recovery seem really easy and I will just say this. My friend Robin Man for himself reminded me I was at dinner. I saw got it and he hung on you. Msg Me telling me how I think board you were and how you over and how. It was a pain in the ASS. And he's absolutely right. I was bored. I was really bored during the recovery but I am not poke ass I talked about. I didn't really feel much pain. It was it was uncomfortable because I thought that was important thing but he was like forget. How old you were they forget. How strategy were that. You were physically unable to do certain things just remember that and I thought yes. He's absolutely correct though. I'm putting that right in this episode. What brilliant questions? Thank you so much to everybody who took the time to write in. All of the questions came from the facebook group. 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That may be it may be rediscovering one another. I hope. So that's a beautiful center as a nice thing to say and I really appreciate your thoughts today. Mike thanks for sharing that with us and thank you. Love Your Show Valley, the appreciate it toll free number eight, fifty, five, four, Fifty Free William is in Dallas Texas listening online go ahead William. Hopewell's well, Hey, what's on your mind? To The keys are in call her he and you know whatever just to prove that. So that she can prove that she's my favorite. Trans ran for. Shares in keene or anywhere. But anyway, he's probably the only trans running for sheriff anywhere. Thanks your favorite kind of a compliment. I appreciate this to me. I regret at this point in time. There's so many people have spent so much time making transpeople look bad trans people have made transpeople loop bad but I mean. I've got the macho Ma'am tranny savage video right down. Youtube. I clearly do not care about this pronoun nonsense people can come in what they want I. Have My preference on what I wanted to be called sure they. They are free to call me whatever they want. You don't take it personal. William Standby you're you're calling about a different topic so we'll get into that coming up here. It's free talk live. With AMAC Carbon Conversion Unit you can turn an xt family. Glock nineteen hundred eleven handgun into a carbon rifle in seconds and avid ship right to your door, no F. L. required. Now, mctighe is excited to announce our pistol carbon conversion unit more compact with twelve inch barrel in an arm brace proving. Once again, that Meka's is the world's most versatile hand gun accessory for a limited time go to handgun conversion dot com that's handgun conversions, dot com and coupon code radio to receive thirty five dollars off any carbon purchase. 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Crossing off our list of features, we will replace it with something. You just have to be patient we we knew on this for a while we knew it was coming I was just hoping discord would last until we got to the new thing, but it didn't that's okay. Meanwhile, you can join our email list, which is a good way to keep up to date with what's going on with free talk live. So one of the emails that I sent out most recently was how to extract your crypto currency from your discord. While it because there was a tip bought that we installed in there like a year ago or most of a year ago and people were sending tip money. He's back and forth bitcoin cash dash and you know Minero and all these different crypto currencies able to posit Minero. Maybe they don't have minero anyway they they're supposed to but it was always on and off thing it never worked when I attempted to do. It was a little different from the rest of the coins to total privacy coin. It's not based on Bitcoin MR announced better it's not different it's better I would say better it's totally private private every time every every way it's really it's pretty great and. So anyway, some people had balances on those those accounts, but now our server has been wiped out. So what does that mean for your tip money? Well, it's still there. So the good news is you can get it unless you yourself were banned from discordant. I have not heard that that has been the case and that is the case I mentioned the people behind the tea butts you can contact them and they will assist you maybe because I remember when we first started, we had some issue with depositing bitcoin cash or something, and we were able to get in touch with them and they helped us they did I don't know how that works if dischord bands your account though so. 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It's Ian an Aria. Here's we go back to your calls and thoughts we've got Williams still with us here in Dallas Texas go ahead with what you're calling about William. Yeah, we really do like your here and The, you've been a pleasure. To listen to and and all that stuff. Yeah though you You know you guys are talking about the yet kicked out discord where it is Kinda ties into that and I see. I do facebook don't post things all that kind of stuff also short. I saw a it was like a picture of words you know what does it mean but said? Go to Google top in a two digit number can say you know the new cases or something like that I can't remember exactly the wording. So. If Dhabi and foreign to me on Google and the it's hard shoot. It was four hundred new coronavirus cases in. Such county or whatever I just tried it. I just typed in seventy seven new cases and there's Alaska seventy seven new cases reported Monday. What's the point? Yeah. Cheap keep doing well, the the point is keep doing that and you know no matter what number you put in there it's going to be like seventy seven or whatever you new cases until the place. So anyway. I saw I was looking at my. Activities, he'd split reasons and I saw that there was some that I posted I got flagged as false news or something whatever I remember the terminology. As well, it is at your look at the thing you know salute an outside I remembered it right. So anyway, this is why wisest false news or whatever. and. It said because in the explanation was this has nothing to the coronavirus. Nothing no invaluable information about Ron. How it'd be crystal clear that those wars, the pictures, the picture of words and nowhere in their words. was there anything about growing virus just said type in a number? and New or new cases or something like that. Content that you shared as being of factually incorrect or whatever. So. Yeah. Exactly. So they banned you're sharing of the me. That's why I wasn't clear on. You're saying the M- you. was was flagged. Yeah it was slain. Correctly and I'll let you go on with that but it was just there was the whole purpose of the whole point of the whole thing was like that Dang thing didn't say anything about. Really interesting. Your point and thank you William for your call tonight. I'm glad were able to suss that out. Are you thank you for that? I was a little lost on on what exactly they had. They had banned. Thank you William the toll free number here is eight, hundred, fifty, five, four, fifty free. Don't facebook again for what for seven days for for hate speech Trans People of course. I. So your Self Hating tranny now. I asked, you know who had anarchists Satanist tranny guess nominated for Republican Sheriff on Their Twenty Twenty Apocalypse Bingo card I posted that funny it is all a facebook disagreed they decided it was hate speech is it going to be hate speech? You share one of the myriad of news articles about you which also not but the band didn't even work. This is the second time. This has happened where they banned me. But I I can still use facebook just fine. I can still post things. But I'm banned I. Don't understand what they're doing I think they broke their own banning system. So broken, even know it. Let's go to uncle Ted calling from Montana watching on our twitch feed. Go ahead uncle Ted. Hey you guys were talking about the great philosopher King Ted Kaczynski. Previously I wanted to touch base back on that where you guys were making it sound like you can avoid technology today how how do you avoid technology? I don't think either of US made that claim. Did you make that claim Aria that you could avoid it? No. I mean you can certainly minimizing you can disconnect from the digital world I may have missed. I'm poorly conveyed what I was trying to say but what I meant was that you can connect disconnect from the digital world you can disconnect from the political world you can. You know you can disconnect your phone you can disconnect your Internet connection I mean I did do some outreach booths at the local county fair I think the last one was probably like three or four years ago. But Anyway, I did I did it for several years and we did some bitcoin outreach towards the end of it and I actually did run into people who told me they've never been on the Internet. Wow. Yeah I mean. There's there's people who've never been on the Internet but that was kind of the point that that said was making that you you can't escape technology nowadays. One of the things you've point out his intersection I mean what's happening action? You have a light that runs on technology that tells you whether you're allowed to move forward or turn left or you have to stay there and there's usually a. Technology is technology is prepping two sticks together and making fire. Sure. It's largely necessary for huma survive the human applying their brain power to various. Sources to solve problems sure and you're right I you know Ted if you. If you leave your house, you're likely going to encounter some form of technology right? Like even if all you're leaving it living in as a shack out in the woods with an outhouse. Technology. It's not it's not considered technology today. You're right at one time it was new tax. So just cuts it off. So take tickets armature cuts it off at a different point than the amish do right well, the funny thing is really cut it off. He would use buses and planes go deliver bombs about his message of Industrial Society and its future and how technology is inflaming assault, which he's right about. But it's kind of ironic he can't even void using technology that he hates so much good point uncle Ted. Thanks for sharing that anything else. You WanNa throw out there tonight. That's it. Man Damn Man. We we got some good calls tonight from from twitch. Every to see what the numbers are for the night because it seems like we must be up with this mini callers from twitch none of them being Nazis I didn't I didn't look. Yeah. That's unusual. That's why I'm like. Wow she got like full intelligent calls from twitch. What's happening out there? You said the dump I. Know I haven't had hit the well, James is still here. So let's bring games on in Arizona. You're on free talk live. Hello. James or call you white you are. Never Hurts. You can call me whenever you. Are you WanNa talk over me but go ahead. That's called being thoughtful and being a Minister Pete's and love and all that crap. Way Sorry to hear what? Starting to what happened to your car. Thank you. must you must've been sorted? Bad they didn't flash your throat. The world would be better place the most beautiful place. Wow. I don't understand how. Could possibly say that Tom Funny though is it is absolutely James. It's sick. You just called a national radio show. Tell me that it's too bad. The person who slipped my tire didn't slipped my throat. That's funny dude. I'm sorry you don't agree. Wow. I'm sorry that that's actually what that guy thinks. That's just so sad. There you go. James in Arizona. He's a loving, Christian? He identifies has I love in Christian? Yeah. I don't think I don't think Christ would agree with those tactics see tomorrow night online in the meantime freetalklive dot com remember when you first heard about bitcoin how long did it take you? So realize this projects would soon change the world the you kind of wish you had gotten involved sooner. Well, now's your chance to be a part of the next revolution in money answer coin is king finally make crypto go mainstream. It's designed to be scalable enough to support everyday payments and even elections without the state. 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Grounds at that time from what Willie mays his told me that was a very big ballpark wasn't right if I remember correctly as Centerfield was five Oh, one had back when Willie mays came they've moved to home plate up and made its Four eighty something. But as I remember, it has a kid it was five one to straight away Centerfield the golden era of baseball in my mind and correct me if you think I'm wrong was New York back in the fifties because you did have three teams dodgers, you had the giants and the had the Yankees what was it like as a baseball town? What was that like New York? It was A. Bomb it was. It was great. I used to love to go to the ground and watch the. Giants and the dodgers and one of the memorable things I can remember the giants and the dodgers playing. The dodgers got the bases loaded in the first and and go hodges came up and he hit a ball so hard and so far over the roof and let feel I don't know where it landed. In Grand Slam. Let me ask you about a game in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, one you were there for probably one of the most important games played and also standing outcome it was bobby. Thompson. Tell me about that game because you were there. For Bobby talks ahead the time that I was Gonna Polo grounds was my favorite faults of that was way before Willie mays. So I I I love Bobby. Charlton he was my hero. And, tell me about that game because you were there. Well, there's not a lot to. Remember, you know when? When when you're young I was here in a situation like that. Of course it was a lot of pattern is talking about the home run, right? Yeah. A lot of a lot of excitement and everything else you know. and. The giants weren't expected to win thirteen half games. Let's say June sometime in June and the giants came back and won it. That broke a lot of lot of dodger fans, hearts. Yeah. Bobby Thomson's home run. It's called the hit The shot heard around the world to clinch the teams in the league title over the rival Brooklyn Dodgers and the rivalries because they had to national league teams But for the American League Yankees rivalries primarily, Boston wasn't it one about that rivalry well, I wasn't that much answer the Yankees. Onto, this to stay in a few times, I was a kid I didn't have a A. Quarter to buy a ticket, how is mostly into Polo grounds ranking sneaked over left field. And into the stands, I had a friend of mine of my mother's owned a bar. His name was Percy Harris, and he had season tickets to Yankee stadium season tickets, and once in a while he give me a ticket to go to the stadium. And I'd have a chance to see mantle and Dimaggio and. Then, some of those people what were the seeds of your love for baseball well has a kid growing up in. New York there wasn't that much excitement. I tell people I was a juvenile delinquent my father was in the south. Pacific. And New Guinea. and My mother worked at the Brooklyn Navy Yard. So I really. I really ran wild. You know going to sneak into the all around at ten or eleven years old. That was a pretty big that was a pretty big feet it out. Four. Kids that young but That's what I did and I love baseball I love I love the the giants. Still Rig Major Jack Lucky Will Masha Walker Cooper saw on himself fourth. I was really a long a national league fan because that's what I was exposed to at sixteen. You moved up to Stamford Connecticut and you're pretty good. You're pretty good pitcher in high school you ended up with a record of fifteen one. Did you not? That's right? Yeah, and they had two teams they had two teams up there. One was called the eagles, the other Stanford black the Yankees tell me about them. Or Eagles a man's chain when I moved up to Stanford, I didn't really know anyone and I live I live not too far from Woodside Park and the Eagles used to practice there and also the the Stafford Yankees but to Stamford Yankees were more or less young kids and the eagles were men and the Yankees wanted me to play with them but I rather play with them. And that's what I did. You decided to play with them in the fall of one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty three, and you started to play in some big money games. Now give me the definition of big money games well. When I grew up in Stafford the baseball teams had to come up with the best ball players because the games that we that were books they were book and they were bet on different different people with back different teams and they might that's two, hundred, three, hundred, five, hundred on the game. And so we have. Our teams had to be pretty darn good at. All to To win. The biggest thing that happened to me I played against team new. Haven Connecticut call the Indians and. We've got about five or seven hundred dollars on the game. The the book is on the game. And I want nothing and the Indians came to me because they were playing. The Milwaukee. Braves Farm Club has a couple of weeks. And they sent a couple of players now from New Haven Stanford. To See if I were pitch for. My Mother didn't want me to dull because I was in high school. This is my junior year. So but they we'd bickering back and forth and I dating my mother in any thicker back and forth. One of the guys. So what about this changes name? So they changed my name Kenny. Heart. That fits against the Milwaukee Braves funk look and I beat him. And that was how I signed with the braves. That was A. Big Deal. Yeah in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, four, you attended the professional baseball tryout camp with mock debriefs and the very next day. You were contacted and offered a major league contact contract and after attending spring training the following year you were shipped to the Minor League team in West Palm Beach Florida. But later on released, what was that like when you were shipped down there with a major league farm team Major League Baseball farm team. What was that like what? When the braeside they signed me to a contract to go to court bet I wasn't expected to go down south when I got down south, it was altogether different and the manager's name was bill staticky. And he He used to catch for the Yankees. But anyway there was there was me another guy named Jim proctor or black who breaks down there then he got rid of our as quick as he could because he said it was too much trouble running around finding somewhere for us to he. And somewhere for us to sleep. So he just got rid of US and that goes into my One of the things I talk about when I go to speak and that's fake tryouts. We had a lot of fake trials back then would whoever? Teams say they're going to try certain ballplayer a not not sign him. I don't know whether you're interested in that or not. I got to say about that. Just out in ninety seconds tell me about that. Well. Jackie Robinson try it out for a major league club. The Boston red. SOx In nineteen, forty, six, I think it was him an Sam, Jeff. Throw. And they one of these executives from the Boston Red Sox get them off the field. We don't want him. And you know what happened with Jackie Robinson. And if you remember saying Jeff though in nineteen, fifty, one was repeated a year vast elite. Also in nineteen fifty. Amazed tried out for the Boston Red Sox and he wasn't good enough. And you know what happened with Willie Mays There was a rule that existed was there not that when they did have black come into major league baseball, you were limited only two per team. There was supposed to be yeah of course, Josh Polk data as the dodgers broke that record and also the giants. The giants came up with three Hey Thompson. Money urban and Willie. mays. And the dodgers came up with a of course Don newcombe Jackie Robinson Roy Campanella. Dan bankhead. But that was that was like an unwritten rule. You weren't supposed to have no more than two players to black players. Tell me how black baseball players who loved the game dealt with that type of discrimination where they could not show their wares as good as they were how did they internalize it? How did they express themselves? What would me how play with the Indianapolis Clowns and I Love Baseball And the cloud off the chance to play. Without Without a lot of Without a lot of problems shortstop. I, played third base kids I played every day and that's what I liked about baseball. And and So that's more or less. I love playing with the clouds. Hold on just a second. 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That was that was against the state law, the blacks and the whites good. Not Sleep in the same same situation. So I mean it was my first my first taste of being in the south after I got off the train and got to. Milwaukee training camp. Separated us from Blue Light. You tell a story about playing in Mississippi in nineteen, fifty six, which was a time when black ballplayers still eight segregated tables and Mississippi, and also throughout the rest of the deep South tell me more about that. Or One of the stories I tell us the Mississippi and nineteen, fifty six I was playing with clouds. And I'm light skinned guy. And I'm playing feel. Just why I'm playing center field then that night I don't vote but anyway. Assurance call up on the field. And Stop the ballgame. Sheriff got out of the CAR. Walk past a picture walk past the shortstop they walked out to center field. Looked at me, they have my hat pulled down over my eyes and there was a night Jay the fact that Back. Then, the lights in the fields weren't really that bright. So. What am I looked over shipping said all right. Went back and got in the car. And what happened somebody would call the sheriff's department. Open. told me it was a white boy out there playing with black boys. And that was we legal? I know that the Indianapolis clowns were special in the Negro Leagues were they equal in a sense to what New York Yankees were in? Baseball Major League baseball at that time. Were they considered the same way in the Negro Leagues as the Yankees were in major league baseball. I during the time I played I played at the end of The end of the week I didn't say during during the heyday. and. I talked to me players because he had a guy on the team Johnny Williams who played in played in the Negro. League. And he was he was a bus driver and the chaperone. And I used to ask him a lot of questions about it. And he told me. That if They're in a barnstorming after the season was over the white teams we get together stand usual in the rest of them. And the black ball players they get together and they play each other barnstorming around the country. And once he would not outshine the other one. No matter no matter you know who was playing. The black team had just as much of a on the white theme as the white team out on the by two. How did the players on the Indianapolis clowns? Travel. But we had a bus. Hey. We had a bus and. The bus was somewhat segregated in a sense not by not by Kulla. But. The higher echelon of players sat on the right side. And the SORTA. Lesser players like the via offs that sat on the. Left side. Usually with to occupy pensive seat. I was lucky Al's on the right side with one occupation. What was he can? Be Bob. And so on and so forth what was the pay like for for the players that played with the Indianapolis clowns? Made two hundred and fifty dollars a month. I'll ask game we played in Washington DC in nineteen, fifty six. Has the players were supposed to share gate. And we would. We would share the gate and get the percentage. Of the gate. I left what forty some dollars I think was forty two dollars. By the time I got home to Stanford Connecticut. I was dead broke. The. Pan Fan band to get home. So didn't make that much money but. We Love Baseball and we you know kept playing. There was to rules on the clowns and that was on the field and don't miss the bus I love the quote I've got from you. You got four dollars a day for meal money one guy with by the mustard another would by baloney and another the bread and that's how we eight. Yeah inside cups of Cups. Plates. So that's what that's how many times what was the atmosphere like with the crowds when you guys came to town to play a game or any Negro League team faced each other While we were, we were compatible to maybe Barnum and Bailey or on dollar globetrotters. When that bus pulled into town. People just went nuts. The bus help fill up the ballpark when they the votes pulled in and have the Indianapolis. Clowns it on the side of it. We get off the bus a knicks with the people at. The ballgames, the Fox filled up. I know you said one time. All you're thinking about is playing baseball. You get on the bus you go to sleep when you wake up, you're in another town people from everywhere coming over to you like it's the circus that was the best part. What would the stadiums like that you played in? Well some of them are just like trump tower. Other ones could be like Major League ballparks. You know we trade in Jacksonville they had a beautiful ballparks, their Memphis Outta. Beautiful Ballpark. Replay Griffin state in watch, which is a major league ballpark. Buying Emmy Stadium. I know in the heyday of the major leagues. You know you guys would play games and it wasn't just a black audience, a black crowd that was there. It was mixed was not. There was very excess. Now. When I was with the braves and we played in West Palm Beach, I went up I went out and met people in town until I was a baseball player they ask but you know they did know me so. What I went to eat this and that and they found out the baseball player wanted to come to the game. When they came to the game they have the set up right seal. They couldn't sit in the grandstand the other white people. That was another. Another thing and this is plan minor league baseball. You mentioned that you knew Jackie Robinson you occasionally played pool with his son Jackie Robinson junior tell me about the first time you met him. Or Jackie Robinson's son Jackie Junior. You don't hear much talk about him. he died he died on the car accident on the America Parkway. Just just north of Stamford. By I play pretty good pool and then they season I played a lot of Pool Jackie Robinson Junior love fool. And I've been over his house I met his. Mother. don't just template in my head right now wondering and sister. Play pool hung around Jackie routes basically. He wasn't there most of the time but I have none of it to the elks club and Stanford tell me a little bit about Jackie from the standpoint about how other Negro, league. Baseball players felt about him being the first player and what it might have meant for them and also others that WanNa play League Baseball. Of course is this is a little before our time. That's the stories that I heard. That he was not the best ball player. He might have been best suited to do what he did because he was a he was officer in the service he went to college man. And he could. He could maintain itself. he wasn't the best that sailor and he wasn't the best center and the Big really but. They were you know fine ball player. When he got the majors he just terrorized the majors with his base rather. And that's one of the things big release famous for is based on. One of the things that happened to you Gil was the fact that you had a collision and you broke your wrist, tell me that story. Here to to Coleman who later play with the mets. And the phillies. were, we were in I guess it was June eleventh nineteen, fifty six islands playing third base. went in I went into faith basis Joe Henry. And somebody hit a pop up. I quoted in the coach's box of to ran right into the and broke my wrists. And that's why when I decided that makes you not to go back. I know you've been very outspoken and questioning why young people don't play baseball. We don't see a lot of African Americans playing baseball like we used to, and your quote was the greatest time to practice his after the season is over in the fall you're still in shape and the weather is still good. I would have given anything to practice in a nice park with evenly manicured. feels like Rogers Park in Danbury. Whenever I see the fields empty over here, tears come to my is why do think that black athletes do not gravitate to baseball as they used to? Order they. Everything is everything thing in society has changed but with a With the cell phones, computers, and so on and so forth everything has changed. And A. Basketball. You know it's it's instant reward. You get basketball you. You got a lot of instant rewards baseball, the patient game. And kids today don't have that much patience. I would say. I do watch a little baseball and I'm really impressed with some of the black ball players that I see. They remind me of some of the guys I used to play with. It's a pleasure to watch him play. But I wanNA thank you for your career and also for spending some time with us sharing your life and your career with US Gilbert for being part of a great part of American. History Baseball. History the Negro Leagues Gilbert. Required welcome. Thank you very much. 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When you reflect back, what type of perspective do you put on your baseball career I think was I was satisfied with it. You know I don't think that I look back at my career and can find fault with it. You know I did just about everything I wanted to accomplish all of my goals and so I I feel like it was mission will accomplish. Did you ever think back when you were a kid growing up that you would do what you were able to do I mean, what was the dream of Hank Aaron when he was a kid? I didn't think about it at all. You know all I wanted to do back then of course, and I was just talking to somebody about it was to try to get it in five years and that would have been. I. Would have been invested in pension fund and that's mostly what ballplayers thought about. You know you didn't think in terms of plane twenty, twenty some years like I did you know but I'm glad that I did I think one thing that fans don't realize hank is that Mobile Alabama turned out an awful lot of good baseball players. It seemed like it was the breeding ground for great players wasn't it? The right about that run we had a we had at one time. I think that was a minute eight or nine major league players that was playing in the big leagues you know and they were all good in fact Billy Williams mccovey. They. All went into the hall of fame. So you know you're talking about Myself Billy William mccovey. Satchel, all the hall of fame. So you know mobile have anything to be. Ashamed of I. Think we turn loose our share of athletes. What was your first exposure to Baseball Hang I don't know I think my face is supposed to baseball was just baseball itself would this planning the Negro League I played softball in high school but never played baseball. So I started playing actually start playing baseball when I was. In the Negro American League. When I think back and I've talked with Willie mays about the Negro Leagues House special that time was what was the cohesiveness? What was the general philosophy of the players that played in the Negro Leagues? Fake run I think that we felt like if we could be successful playing Negra league that we could probably play in the major leagues. I think all of us basically felt that way because. Usually. The players that especially you're young player was playing against players who? Had played a little bit longer than you had. they had been in some of them had been in a minor league some of them have experienced playing against Great Negro League players. So we all felt like. If, we can have a good year good season that you had chance to play in the in the major leagues I was interested in a quote from President. Clinton. When you were being honored, he said from mobile to Milwaukee to Atlanta through segregated south Hank Aaron move through a changing America and he changed the minds and hearts of Americans I'm sure there was a lot of times in those early days. When you wondered if those hearts or minds were ever going to be changed well. No I didn't I think I always felt like that will hope always felt like you just keep doing your job that somewhere he was going to take somebody's mind and somebody's sold and. Somebody was going to be wise enough to realize. The only thing that you wanted to do was to have a chance to play baseball did the segregation and the attitude of America that time fuel the passion for black athletes to play the sport a little bit harder I know that the Jackie Robinson wants in a book that I read talked about how he channeled his anger. Well. I don't know whether we were angry at particular thing. I think that we knew that it was given the opportunity. That we had to take advantage of it because there were only a few of us. And we knew that if we fail that, it was going to fall upon the players that was coming behind us. So we felt like we wanted to play. We didn't have time. He angrily hit them to just reflect on what we needed to do and how we were going about doing it over the years and talking to you and meeting New Year's one of the most unassuming people that I've ever met your so graceful and the way you move and I wondered as I thought about it if it. was difficult for you to deal with the slings and arrows that you had to deal with especially during the home run breaking and and everything. But then all of a sudden I thought to myself here's a man that's quiet and is passionate and and I think that maybe that was somewhat protective that that may have helped you a little bit. Can you give me some insight to that Hank? Right Right I. Think the most important thing was the fact that in spite of all of the things that I had to go through I think I, kind of kept. Things in perspective you know I I knew that I had a job to do, and if I had not been successful than I would've I would've fell in the hands of the people who wanted me to fail. I was not about to let that happen I kept being in perspective I, Say I got to continue to do as well as I can do and deplete this game the only way that I know how a fellow hall of Famer Joe Morgan, told me that when he broke into professional baseball, he was assigned to Durham with the Durham Bulls and being a youngster from California when he got there in the first game, he saw. The black people on one section of the stadium and he said I can't handle this and he was going to call his dad and tell him he was quitting baseball but he said he knew his dad would not let him do that and be angry with him in the early days of your career. In. Major League baseball were there any time where you thought you were just not going to continue with this game that it wasn't gonNA work out for Hank Aaron What time when I felt that way but it was not because of the fact that I've looked into standing. So segregated people, I mean stands being segregated I was not that was not in it was just that I was lonesome. I wanted to go home to my Mama. Mama Board. So I that's what I. That's how I felt you know. Other than that right I don't think there was any other time that wanted to quit. What was the source of power and success as a home run hitter I think making direct contact making good contact and being able to to hit the ball squarely You know I I don't think that you need to be two hundred and fifty pounds You know if you if you can recall you know Freddie part tack who played with the Kansas City royals for a long time to hit a ball as long as as far as anybody and you. He was what he the five five and he weighed one hundred and eight, hundred, eighteen pounds. You know he was very small you know so it really. That's the one good thing about baseball is that you can see someone six in a ball on the end of the bat inevitable the MVP you can see them one five feet as as as Pontiac in and hit a ball twenty rules into the Stan you start wondering how can one guy be so big hit the ball. So saw how can one guy be so small and get the ball fuck It just a matter of making contact hitting the ball square. If a ball is thrown ninety miles an hour and you get good and he didn't WanNa fat part of the bat if you hit it right now tennis going to. Have a chance to guate- ballparks one of the things. Henry. That I don't believe you've been given enough credit for is the fact that a lot of people think of homerun hitters as swingers you had a career batting average of three zero five. That is not a free swinger that is somebody that is disciplined and knows the art of hitting how did that come? About well, I don't know run it just just a matter of fact, I always felt lacking in fact I've talked about this the other day the most important thing was to make contact. If you make contact, you got a chance to do a lot of things but was just it was always that easy I mean did you just simplify it? That much wasn't he? Wasn't he was just a matter of. Before I think that I was like most ball good ballplayer that's kept things in perspective I focus on what I had to do. The other thing I would assume and correct me if I'm wrong with this assumption and Tony Gwynn and I were talking batting one time he says the great hitters, the great hitters whether they be power hitters are single hitters is is that they don't try to do something with the ball. They can't do that. They let the ball, it's on the outside part of the plate they try to go the other way. Were you that way as well? Yes. Yes. In fact, I. taught myself how to be? When I came up I didn't notice strike zone very well, and then the last ten years I said last ten twelve years I knew the strike zone I feel comfortable in what I was doing. I knew I was going to swing a ball inside outside of know what part of the plate I wanted to swing it. And He's absolutely right. You kinda you try to give up what you can't do try to vast what you can do one of the things that I think you probably are especially proud of, but rarely do people talk about is you won three gold gloves and I've talked to a lot of ball players that say you know of all the things that I did winning a gold glove means the most to me was that the same way with you hang all of those things Ron. Winning the gold glove and also winning in bed title you know because you know most people when you talk about a my career and what it meant and they said, what did he do? 'cause he hit a lot of home runs you know they're not going to say he went to bed Thailand I to say he won a gold glove the not going to say he wanted to run by entitled only. Concentrate on the home run. So quite naturally, you feel good about those other thing because that's what makes you complete ballplayer. Let's talk about the season before one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three. Tell me what that was like as you were nearing the record. Well, it was It was a tough season. And the reason that was so tough is because. I guess at one point, it's best is part of the season everybody anticipated that I was going to break had a chance to break the record. And of course, like everything you know newspaper people started coveting coming upon you know actually all kinds of question some was good. Some was bad. Some had some substance of any. and that was no privacy. You know what I mean by kids was caught up in a bubble. hours in a bubble and I wasn't used to that and I refuse my children get involved in things like that. But but. I knew that I had I was coming upon something that nobody else had ever done in sport. And I knew that it was going to cause some trouble. So I was preparing myself I said I they come at me like they at Roger Marissa I was GonNa try to handle it the best a little bit better than Roger. Did you know but You know I ended the season with seven hundred eighteen home runs. and. Everybody's thought say, Hey, you know what are you going to do you go in hibernation I said I'm GonNa live my life to we always if you know, go to go and enjoy myself. And of course that when I went and got married and so. That's what happened. You know it was a tough year but after that, it was all since the game is so mental and you were getting death threats and you talk in the book about the death threats, you got some of the angry confrontations with people that did not want you to break a white man's record. Did that play on that mental aspect of the game for you? Well a little bit. Yes. But I, you know I I look back on it and I said, you know that was a learning experience from you know no matter how were no matter what you do in this world? Matter, what you're trying to accomplish sometime, people don't realize that that You only a human being. And you do everything that you can. to try to do what is best for you. And what you could do what best for your team? Afterwards you just said, you were glad it was over with You must have been really relieved I was glad it was always yes. Because I, not only for myself. But I was glad for my teammates and I was glad for my mother and father you know especially those two because. You know they were coming back and forth and it was at the age where they needed to be stationed there. You know they didn't need to be running back. To Atlanta back to mobile so they need to be with. Stay where they were just watch a baseball game. Hank after it was over with and you set that record how did life change for Hank Aaron? I mean, did you get the type of accolades that somebody has broken a major home run record deserve to have or what was it like in those years after the home run record that as much as you think i. should have you know really I don't think that You know that was no airplanes available for me. That will no huge endorsements that I made. Outside one big Cup becoming. I made a lot of little money, but that was no big endorsements from me. You know it was just something that was quality broken and the end of it all and I I would say in a year's time you know he was out of the news when you reflect back on what you were able to do in setting this record I. Know There's going to be things that means something to other people but the Hank Aaron and a personal sense what are you most proud of in doing this? But I guess. I i. Am Proud of the fact that records that I mentioned before made to be broken. And no matter what record to be. People may say, well, nothing nothing you nobody can touch record. I'm proud of the fact that Moment I people that if given the opportunity is that anybody in erected can be broken. Down and get together. What are you all talk about over that night we've talked about anything but. We do we talk about anything air was was very professional about this he. He was not one of the guys that I hit a lot of home runs off it. I just got a look pitch to hit out a ballpark. And I apple to get it up in the end I hit the ball when I take a look at players and I know there was a get together when they did honor you and they had people like Ernie banks and frank. Robinson. Lou Brock, and Reggie Jackson when you look at those types of players, what was the common denominator of all that greatness? What is it? That great players always do? Would you great players that you see no matter whether it's it's the feel of athletic. So whatever it may be you know when you see great people come together. They have one thing if you notice that they all have one thing in common. They always able to tell you that what day what time? When did they happen to be able to make history and that's what happened you reset greatness ANC when you play the game and when you left the game and today, you brought one thing that five letter word class to everything that you did on behalf of all S-, baseball fans, sports, fans, I WANNA. 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That's going to wrap up this hour sports byline where we talk baseball Hank Aaron Hall of Fame, outfielder twenty, three seasons in the majors number two, all time home run hitter with seven, hundred and fifty five, and he was a national league MVP and tied with Stan musial and Willie mays with twenty four, All Star appearances the most in baseball history and he did pick up a championship bring when he was playing with the Milwaukee Braves they won the fifty seven world championship and we shared with you another interview we've done with the great players in the Negro Leagues this is the one hundredth anniversary of Negro League Baseball and Gilbert black was with us. He grew up in new. York City. He was sixteen live two and a half blocks away from the Polo grounds and inside of Yankee Stadium, and he talked about what those days were like watching baseball, and then eventually being able to play in the Negro Leagues. Hang around I'm Ron Bar. 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Of the football program back in the late eighties, early nineties and Bush was the team's go-to player and he still holds the Illinois State High School Record. For most touchdowns scored in a single season and most receiving yards in a single season as well, and he was recruited by the University of Missouri to play receiver following his high school football everybody opted to pursue a baseball career and I'll ask him why that is and then right after that, you know the name Ryan but it's read Ryan the son of Nolan Ryan and read now is the president of the Houston Astros he grew up in Alvin. Texas. Just south of Houston graduated from the High School, they went on to play baseball at TCU was drafted by the Rangers while his father was pitching for them. 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Tell me what it was like and what it was like for you in particular. for me Ron Man You can probably imagine being tough being tough guy that I am gave those sheets that reputation I'm just kidding I was a mama's boy. You know I I was able to avoid a lot of the negativity by just playing sports and hitting the books. I once asked Jackie joyner-kersee because she up there as well and I asked her I said what was it like there and she said, well, I only tell you that I wasn't afraid of the police because I knew my parents would treat me rougher than what the police would ever. And you mentioned about the tough streets of there and it certainly is how did you navigate them? What kept you out of trouble? you know like I was saying about sports and hitting a book. You know the most amazing thing about the world today was that Many are you just didn't give law enforcement? Any back talk it was like it was literally They were that's protecting serve. So I even though we were in a tough environment, I always felt safe because we did have law enforcement on our side. So as long as you didn't go to the negative stuff, you would I mean you okay really I mean I i. didn't know I didn't realize how difficult my upbringing was until I moved into the suburbs and say man this how people? You are not only an outstanding baseball player, but you're also are pretty darn good football player too because you're on a program led by Bob Shannon and of course, the two years that most people still talk about are the eighty nine and ninety season. You were kind of the Go-to guy tell me a little bit about Bob and tell me about that that that that program that he had their. You know. Wonderful Program Miss Shannon coach Shannon outstanding individual It was truly a blessing for me. It prepared me for the game of baseball as a highest level because the competition that you had to get through to break that line up and some play on that team you know you you have to be tough and. Be a be able to compete. You know taught me how to compete and I mean I'm grateful for plan them to coach Shannon for you recruited to play football or baseball at the University of Missouri. Football Okay and why did you decide to to go ahead and go the baseball round? I have more offers than football but My mom was you know was like son You Know Baseball's what you love spent. Five. Ten hundred and fifty pounds soaking wet. She was like just go play baseball has some fun and you know mess violent sport. So it was totally advice them my mom's in I want to run something by you listen to these cities you played in Charleston South Carolina Waterloo Iowa Rancho Cucamonga California Wichita Memphis Columbus in Las Vegas, and we'll talk about Brisbane Australia a little bit later on but I mean you could have done a travel show. We will cool about that of this. I got to experience some different cities and states. So for me, the minor league, the luxury because every year, it got better you know growing up beneath Saint Louis I say helped me in that miley process because that every staged everything got better. I got more mature about the the maturation baseball maturation process. stadiums got bigger and better you know. So I truly enjoy my mind leak experience. You know it's interesting. You say that because I've always found the minor league experiences, I travel around the country and have a chance to take in minor league games. There's an lure there. There's a mystique there helped me explain it to people what that allure net mystique. League Baseball. You know low wages tough travel. Tough competition, you know You know someone might hear that and go man you know that's not something I really want to be a part of, but I tell you what like I said growing up in East San Luis that experience if you got better from the wages got better travel got better the. So for me, it was a great A. Great Start for me when I got into the game baseball and football. Growing up in Saint Louis and playing football taught me how to compete. So I had all the bases covered. Tell me a little bit about your favorite stories being down in the minor leagues because everybody thinks about Bull Durham and you know thinks of maintenance minor league baseball that way. You know. The, the the one thing every minor leaguer, and probably even college athletes relate to is that you know you get an apartment with three or four guys and you know you get up to meet several young men from other states and have to hit you know their horror stories and How they grew up in high school football programs You know those are the things that I remember the most But you know the one thing I can say and it's true even today even with myself and that is the players that watch as a young kid. Eventually some of become your coaches in the. MIAMI. And I thought that was pretty cool. You know I got an opportunity to You know get coached by Tim flannery Garry Templeton i. mean just guys that I grew up watching you know in the Seventies and eighties homer does mentoring still go as far today as it used to be I've had these talks with Tommy Lasorda and others because as you know, the minor league organizations back when you were playing there and even before each team had kind of a personality and it really permeated right throughout the entire organization and they're all was always a player like a crash Davis that we saw in the movie bull Durham that would take a player underneath their wing and everything does that still happen today You know. I'll be honest. I cannot remember that being the case You know if the if it was, it was probably when I got older you know a very unfortunate. Example would be Mike Shoppers. the dodger player that was killed in the one car accident. When this cost over when I got up to AAA out, you know extremely close to get into the major leagues and as you can imagine I started coming unglued a little bit because I'm getting so close and I remember Straw Persson pulling me to the side who had been in the major leagues and you know came down to the minor leagues, put me to the side and tell me young man you pressing black. So I had you know I can say that would be my crash. Davis but he also played in the major leagues though so it was kind of more experienced players Level that will come down and get some AAA experienced instructing to back to the major leagues. So but as far as the interim I there's so much money in baseball even at the Miami level now it's hard to have the players being leaders. Nowadays, you have to explain to me how you ended up in Australia playing minor league ball down there. There's got to be a good story associated with this homer. You. It's funny. You say that because I got a call from the San Diego padres and they had a working relationship in the winter for a handful of players may they called me and said hey like? To get some more at that. And took him up on the offer and had a fantastic time. What was baseball like down there You know it was new. It was different than we plan on like Feels like like a it was made for like tricking on the fairgrounds and stuff like that So you know the venues were not. You know baseball this you know like in the states but. The competition was was good because you steal you had every team had believe three or four imports thirteen. So. Most of us that Those players spoke kitchen so the pitching was not suffered down there than the overall competition I would assume because any country in which they play a sport, which you don't wear helmets I'm talking about rugby. They would find baseball kind of boring and mild. Oh, absolutely, as you can imagine, it was. A, it was a very aggressive style baseball. No but you know I loved it was a great experience where. Let me ask you about when you were traded to the Yankees in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight you know being treated maybe to Milwaukee. Traded to Atlanta. That's one thing. But to be traded to the New York. Yankees with its reputation and its history of success. How did you think about that when it happened? You know the Yankees had just won the world series in ninety six and I'll trade over ninety seven. So they You know I knew of them but I grew up a cardinal fan. And I you know I knew Yankees the Yankees had a lot of history but I didn't know to what degree. But when I got there, it was like one of those deals like I was extremely naive because when I got there, it was like man I'm along you know this is you know I'm just going to another team they just grooming me to be there everyday second baseman. But when I got there and you know you step out of the Dugout this cycle hotel. This be Yankee Stadium you know the Mecca of all ballpark. So I couldn't woke up you know once I got there and got the experience You know. To jeeter. you know popularity and stock layer they had. I knew I was in a very special place. Immediately, after I got. My point out to people homer was traded in ninety seven. As he said, he's kind of shuttled back and forth between New York and Columbus but it was in ninety eight that you really made your your impact their hold on just a second homer homer bushes with us former second baseman who played eight seasons for the Yankees the Blue Jays in the Marlins, he won a World Series Championship with the Yankees Ninety eight we continue across the country and around the world we've got John Sports byline. Have you written a book. You can become a published author with Dorrance, publishing the nation's oldest publishing services company. 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As you mentioned you were with the Yankees in nineteen ninety eight you made the major league roster and report of the Teams Nineteen Ninety Eight World Series Championship team and and during the regular season you batted three eighty stolen about six basis as well. Tell me about that season for the Yankees because as you pointed out, they had already won championships what was the catalyst of their success in the nineties You know I think if you look at our record and you look at the championship, you know you'd probably think that man we We're kind of like the the Golden State Warriors of today right? Like you just went in every day and it seems pretty easy but I mean he was the competition was I mean it was really like a blue collar atmosphere even though we were, you know probably one you know where the greatest franchise no baseball I mean if you look if you those numbers no one you know didn't really leave a team like you know with forty fifty home runs up to twenty. Maybe thirty was was the most but we had a lot of guys that had that contributed with a high RBI is You know we had Greek pitching staff. So I mean we were grinding every day and It was It was fun to be a part of because you felt like each and every day your contribution was needed. No matter You know who you were and you know how much you made during that season you know as well as I do that the dynamic in New York and especially with the Yankees is probably different than any other team in Major League Baseball and you had an owner George Steinbrenner you also had expectations that went along with it but really the steadying factor in that organization and that team was Joe Torre was not. Absolutely you know I. Always tell the story about story that You know it was like a father. That had twenty five kids you know the kids wanted to do well for even though we were his players because he had a folly Stinger type style He let you play. You know he didn't try to control the Game I. mean he literally Like put me on my own and I was a routine. You know he wasn't really big on Ricky's but I had gained his trust and you know when you do It's a lot easier to go out and perform for a manager like that as opposed to someone who's trying to size you up based on how they played doing. Thing I've found with all championship teams that the leadership in the clubhouse is really the key and I'll go back to the forty niners late Bill Walsh was a good friend of mine and and I watched that team from nineteen seventy seven till they went on through the eighties and into the nineties with their success and when bill was the coach there I'm always found it wasn't so much bill bill was the captain on. The deck of the ship and the guys were happy to know that. But if a rookie came in or player came in from another organization and didn't do it the forty nine away, it was running lot that went up to him. It was Roger Craig that went up to him and said, hey we don't do it that way here. Was it the same way with the Yankees and who were the leaders in that clubhouse? You know we didn't really have in your face type leader but. It was so much competition that you were put on notice because you just didn't play. You know a great example would be Do you remember saying Spencer had a great run right? Towards the end of the season well. Just imagine we had one ninety something games at that point. I mean we're playing extremely well, but Joe Torry just had this feeling that mission this young chick can help. Expensive came once or twice during the year, but he didn't have that big of an impact. You know it just goes to show you even though it all veteran players you had to perform so you literally performed or You didn't play. One of the things that I've always appreciated about sports are the rivalries and I don't think there's a better rivalry in baseball than what you find between Boston and new. York. Did you understand what that rivalry was was like and what was it like when you were actually involved with? You know. Of course I thought I knew. I didn't know. I didn't know but because it was so big and I have to tell you. Experienced in that whole wherever we deal with Boston. I mean does nothing like it? Ever when it comes to competition. Because I went on to play for the Jays and when we didn't play Boston it what we didn't have that. You. Know that's just wasn't A game yeah. Didn't have the electricity that a Yankee Boston game. And I'm telling you I'm talking like. the type of immaturity where it's ten to one and guys still taking one out at second base I mean that is what I'm talking about when you know Utah Yankees and Boston Riffa and also the Green Monster I was a sportscaster in Boston for a while and I remember the first time. I, ever walked into fenway and I I was dumbfounded. I couldn't believe it. Now I wasn't a baseball guy but it even affected me how about for you as a player the first time you went into fenway. Oh man that wall school by swing up so bad. Maybe come. Hither he needed. And I'll tell you right now they do not grow you inside. But yeah I mean it's like me it's right there. I can hit the walls you know two hundred and seventy five. See you know so no, but it's a it's experience out. Don't forget being in that Ballpark that long walk from the Dugout to the baddest box and You know we strike out from the ballot box dugout fans let you know about it. Yeah. You're part of a great trivia question and that is when the Toronto Blue Jays and the Yankees got together made the trade Of course for Roger Clemens you know who the players involved in one of course was Graham Lloyd the other was David Wells, and then the third one was you as well how did you feel about that trade? You know follies tell people it was just. Straight up, and now we have the Internet I can't say anymore. But. David Wells was good for me because you know grandma grandma's well because we had just played together the previous season. So it made it a lot easier for me to settle in and as you can imagine anywhere. It's a party. So So it was You know even though I was getting up place for the first time coming over with you know an unbelievable pitcher and player like David Wells was a it was huge for me in that transition. You know you were a second basement and I think that most teams would accept any second baseman that hits to eighty. In their lineup, but you really batted very very well I was looking at the stats that when you were in Toronto, take take the nine, hundred, ninety, nine season you batted three twenty and you also had speed you stole thirty two bases and then when you were coming up into the major leagues as well, you batted three eighty stole six bases and only forty five games for the Yankees everything. How did you combine the two? Well I. I. I was just mainly utility for New York. I mean they they just had too many high paid players up the middle. It was tough to crack that lineup no matter how well I was playing. But the one thing I can say is an opportunity to play every day extremely fortunate to put up some numbers and you know and that's how I was able to hang around you know. A few more years but when I didn't play a whole lot of the Yankees you know I had guys like Tim Raines, Chili, Davis Darrell Strawberry, we all were balanced for it. That's coming off the bench. So I got to talk kidding. So I was always prepared and with so few opportunities I think it's it's Kinda unique. The the little success I did have because you know that was really not a factor. Of the players you just mentioned who picked up the dinner check. Oh Gosh man they? They took care of the young bucks. Oh. Wow. That's what I do that I can say. Two thousand three you didn't play because of injuries and I know. Confidence is such a factor for the pro athlete the highly skilled athlete, how hard was it for you to mentally and emotionally deal with it. It was tough. I that it was a, it was affecting my ability to perform. So I needed to take some time off I remember Joe Torry in late two, thousand and two. They came in town to when I was trying to only play them and he pulled me to the side and you say young man sort of. Player, it's be run out there half yourself. You need to take the take some time off. These I don't know what that looks like for you. But you need to do it and when I did it, it was tough because I know what I was going to have I was want to get back in the game It was just signing that new collective bargaining agreement. So you know my future was uncertain for sure but I'm glad I did it because my came back in. Two thousand four you know the Yankees weapons back? I didn't get up to play every day but I, felt healthy and that was the main most important thing. About forty five seconds leftover. But when you think back on your career, is there a particular memory that's kind of ingrained in your mind? Absolutely the Homerun that I hit my first Mason, you call them run and Yankee Stadium on ESPN my family got enough to watch it. Of course, the when world series was important. But that hit that home run you know just have pitches now and the run through my body time I. See video take a look at the soda. You didn't show boat at around the basis digit now. Oh no chance but two things one is when I hit it I, remember running around I saying to myself young man you just hit first major league home run and the other one the other thing is I was running so fast they were like, Hey, hold up showdown enjoy it. I don't know if you're GONNA hit too many more. Homer I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation with you I thank you Ford and also you're welcome back anytime on sports byline. So come back and join us again homer. Thanks for having me around I. Enjoyed Myself Homer Bush with US former second baseman who played eight seasons for the Yankees the Blue Jays in the marlins and as we were talking about, he won a world series championship with the Yankees that was in nineteen ninety eight is I got a full season with the Yankees as well grew up in east Saint Louis Illinois but he was a heck of a football player as well. We continue with more of you and sports byline. 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Here's Ron Bar. Read Ryan joins us on Sports BYLINE president of the Houston Astros and the son of Hall of Fame Pitcher Nolan Ryan and he grew up in Alvin Texas and tried his hand baseball after playing at TCU. But now he is the president of the Houston Astros but has a big background in baseball read. I. Just wonder when you were growing up at what point did you realize what your dad did for a living? He get that question every now and then and I'll be honest with you. It's when he was with the California Angels and we had Career Day out in Villa Park at my elementary school and he brought catcher's equipment and baseball gear and everybody went crazy in the classroom, and that's really the first time that I noticed that Hey, maybe my dad does something different than everybody else you know it's kind of interesting because you know as well as I do when you have a father or parent who is an athlete in a well known athlete, it can be a minefield for the child what was it like for you growing up? Everybody, that I got to live every kid's dream because we grew up in Alvin Texas, which is a small town. You know about thirty minutes outside of Houston and it's the same town my folks grew up in Um, and so they were just you know no one and Ruth, they're all my aunts and uncles live there nobody treated us any different but then I got to experience this great summer time. Know Group of travel in bat buoying, and being a major league clubhouse and spent every summer of my life from the time. I was old enough to walk you know up until I was actually playing college baseball myself and then eventually professional baseball Major League clubhouse around Major League I. So I think I got the grounding and small town values that came with growing up in Alvin but I also got sort of the baseball pedigree and and upbringing of getting to be around the best in the business my entire life seeing it from the inside What type of impression did you get about professional athletes and particularly professional baseball players? Well, you know I mean first off the guys have a lot of fun. They're playing a game and camaraderie that comes with team I. It's it's something that you can never duplicate the rest of your life when you're part of a team and you're competing at the highest level you were so immersed in that on a daily basis that working a regular job isn't isn't quite the same. So that was probably the first thing the second thing. was how hard it is to stay in the major leagues you know they say the second hardest thing in sports is getting to the major leagues hardest staying there and the amount of folks that came and went over the course of twenty years that my dad played in the major leagues it's staggering and these guys that take the field and Major League stadiums are the top one percent of people ever to pick up A. Baseball, Bat and glove, and so seeing how much hard work and preparation went in to being successful at the major league level I, think we're life skills and values that I took away. That have helped me achieve a lot of things in life and your dad being as famous as he wasn't as good as he was did he give you any advice along the way as far as to handle his reputation and success? We don't everything that my brother and sister and I sort of became as adults really came from the values that his mom and Dad had my my dad was the youngest of six kids his mom and dad worked two jobs so that all of them could go to college and my dad was actually the only only child that didn't have a college degree and There was a work ethic there that you know we're going to do our very best that we've been given these opportunities and so the way my dad went about his career and raising US kids was you know I can I can remember him saying, Hey, you know I get paid. More for one game, my dad would make an entire season tire year working two jobs and he's like you know there's so much money here. I cannot go a day without knowing that I'm fully prepared, and once you let go of that baseball whether the empire calls it a strike, the catcher catches it the guy hits it your fielders, catch it. That's all out of your control. The only thing that you can control is knowing that you're mentally and physically prepared and that's dad outworked everybody he said I'm never gonNA lose a ballgame because I'm not in shape or not mentally prepared and I think those were the attributes that made him a hall of Famer. Your College Baseball at Texas Christian, they were drafted by the Rangers then and I remember in conversations I had with Dale Barry Yogi son also Mickey Mantle Son and also Pete rose's son as well. What they had to deal with when they were playing a game that their father had done and played exceedingly. Well, what did you have to deal with? What type of attitude did you take a re going into that experience? We know early in life kind of high school baseball is extremely easy and it really wasn't my primary sport I love basketball and and then as I got ready to make my college decision and I actually went to the University of. Texas and played a year for the longhorns before transferring to Tcu and I got an onto a much bigger stage with. Better players did I realize you know that? Hey, I need to make a decision on how good a player I to be in what do I wanNA put into it. But when you had success, it was expected and when you didn't people were always very quick to write you off and say, well, he's not as good as his dad and my. Father made me feel very good about myself you know very early on in life when he said look, you know if I was to go to Roger Clemens or you know Andy Pettitte or anybody that you want you know that's out there and say, Hey, you have to live up to what I did. Well, those guys wouldn't because their their own person. In their own careers and why should I have to try to live up to something that somebody else? Did you know God made us all individually, we have our own set of strengths and weaknesses, and so I just tried to be the best read Ryan I could be and I had to loving supporting parents that you know didn't care you. Know if I want her loss if I tried my best and that's all we ever tried to do was just do our very best that we could do with our God given ability and You know I was fortunate enough to get to play in college have success playing the minor leagues I had one really good year I had one really bad. Year and then I was done and I tell everybody you know being on Ryan Son. Never. Got Anybody out for me on the mound and it didn't make me an all conference player. I made myself and all conference player and it didn't give me released. I got myself released by pitching bad and so you know the opportunities that that being on Ryan. Son or working for the Houston Astros or anything else afford you might get you a game, but your success is going to be on how how much talent you have and how hard you're willing to work. You know I did one of his games on television I can't even remember the year on what I do remember about it as he had a no. hitter going into the eighth inning he was pitching for the Astros at that particular time, he finished with a two hitter but I had not really looked at him close for a long time and I forgot everybody talks about his fastball. I could not believe the curve ball that he had Did that amaze you to some degree? How good that was? Yeah I mean he had a had a really great curb all he had a true sort of twelve to six curb aw that especially with the velocity had and the and the motion that he had was devastating and for a long time, you know he was sort of a to pitch pitcher and so when you're A to pitch pitcher coming up, you know. You basically are spending more time perfecting that second pitch, and so he didn't really pick up his third pitch until later in his career. But when he did develop a change of I think that was one of the reasons that he was able to pitch the long because he ended up bringing something different to his repertoire. So yeah, he was more than just. A fastball Pitcher although many folks remember him for being the first guy to crack the hundred miles an hour mark and and being one of the hardest throwers in the game. When you that last year you talk about playing ball was nineteen ninety-five I? Looked at the numbers on that and I kinda smiled a little bit and I can understand why you said. Hey. I think I'm GonNa go a different direction here and you got into the management side of things and you've been running the AAA round rock express, which is a rangers franchise, and also Corpus Christi and that's a Houston Astros Minor League team as well. What type of approach did you take into the management side from what you've done in baseball and what you've been around? Well you know the great thing about me being in this position. I've literally done everything in the game I've played I've worked in the CLUBHOUSE I bad board I've sold I've you know rake the field in the first time I got drafted and played in a minor league game was the first time I had ever been. To a minor league game because I literally grown up in the big leagues and I spent a year in the New York Penn League and and had a really good year. I was five and five I was in the top ten in the League era and that was the year of the strike and so in nineteen ninety, five they asked all the minor leaguers to come to spring training with all thirty clubs and to cross strikebreakers and I couldn't do it because I was one of the. Few guys that everything I had come from yeah. You know the game of Baseball Well My dad had had done it. So I didn't really do anything for two months and I got off to a terrible start and ended up trying to do some things with mechanics to make me throw harder and it was a it was a great life lesson I ended up going Oh and ten to different stops, and that was the first time that I really tried to be somebody else other than myself and you know what it was disastrous for me and so I ended up getting out of the game at that point and had a love of the game and it really two things. I learned through that one your windows very short is a professional baseball player. You're only as good as your last pitch, your last hotdog, your last game, and so you have to take advantage of opportunities and and then the second thing is that this is an extremely hard game and I think you have to bring a lot of empathy to dealing with people and understanding that you. Know, these guys live and die on every bad You know every time they take the mound there's a lot of money on the line and and that they are owed the respect of trying to give them all the resources they can to be successful and it's no different than the major leagues and it is at the minor leagues but that's what I've tried to do is. Have empathy towards the players and understand the commitments and how far they've come to get to that point and then just try to give them the very best opportunities to succeed that they can you know the Astros returned to a winning organization I? Mean they're really fun to watch is well, they've got good young talent and that after having a couple of seasons of one hundred losses and. I was interested in a quote of yours in which you said a couple of keys after put the fans I and everything we do, and then we've got to make sure we're taking care of the players because it's all about the players. If you don't have the players, you're really not going to have anything curve hard is it to evaluate and get the right players for an organization. So I'll start with the fans you know without the fans none of us have jobs, and so the key is is we have to understand what it is they want, and the first thing they want is they want to winning products on the field. They WANNA product there represents the values that our community stands for, which is hard work teamwork determination hustle all the things that make people give up their very hard earned money to come watch these guys play and I tell our staff all the time are fans give us their money but more importantly they give us their time and time is our most valuable asset. So. That's where it starts. So I always say we take care of the fans I take care of the players they will take care of us and I talked about taking care of the players trying to make sure they have the tools to succeed whether that's the analytic tools we have the scouting reports whether it's the weight room whether it's the way we travel the hotels we stay in the uniforms we wear the staff that we have around them the food we feed them we want to try to make sure that they are in a position to where they can succeed and building an organization you know Jeff. Our general manager was brought in by our owner, Jim Crane to build this organization from the ground up, and really we looked at the landscape of Major League Baseball, and there's teams like the Yankees and the dodgers who a lot of ways us the other teams in. Major, League baseball is their farm clubs because they have more money and they're able to get more free agents and yes, they do develop their own as well. But a lot of times they're the guys playing. For the big name, free agents. Red. SOX Angels, those teams we're going to be team that's going to be more like the cardinals that's going to have to build from within and to do that, we have to have the best scouts, the best information, and then we have to have a really good development staff and we've added more money into our baseball operations department the last couple of years to. Make sure we have all those tools that when we're selecting players, we do the very best job to get advantages that other clubs don't have, and then we have the people that once we take this talent that they can develop them into big league players and they can communicate with our plan is and so We have a lot of consistency in our organization I think we're all you want. United in the line and what it is, our goal is and where we're slotted this game, a major league baseball, we only have about forty seconds left where he but when you think about your association with baseball known so many levels and with your dad and everything is there a favorite memory that you have? Yeah. You know he played so long and I've been in this game. So long now that that I'll run off a couple Obviously, eighty was a big year first time getting the playoffs for the Houston Astros. Eighty six was a wonderful year for me because I was fourteen fifteen years old my batboy and traveled with the team that that was a tremendous year two thousand five was a great year because our family owned the Astros AAA AA teams in the Astros made the World Series but really twenty ten and twenty eleven when my dad had gone up to Arlington as the. President of the Rangers and we had the triple team in round rock. We'd switched affiliations going to back to back world series. Those were incredible times and they were rival by this year with US beating the Yankees and having my son be there with me and realize that it was you know thirty years to the day that I had been with my father playing the knee work batches a member of the Houston Astros Batboy in my dad is a pitcher. Read. I. WanNa thank you very much for your time. Give my best to your dad as well, and thank you for being a part of America's sports talk show sports byline take care appreciate it very much. Thank you for the opportunity. Go Astros Read Ryan with US President of the Houston Astros and the son of Hall of Fame Pitcher, Nolan Ryan we continue on sports byline. Hello, and welcome back to the Ronnie. Do each tax program on the line is Paul from California, Hi Paul what's your tax problem today hierarchy love your show listen I've got a big problem. You see my paycheck was garnish last week and only get half the normal amount to make matters worse. 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American baseball players about old injustices and the lasting humiliation that many of them faced and many of the stories have never been told before and others will not be told until later on as Durban and Williams were told, you can only release them. After I'm dead, I would assume Naphtali that it's important and it's an interesting project. But what was the motivation for doing? Thank you very much. Really isn't important an important project one one of the things we look at as reminds us of how important baseball America at the time. It was it was the game and it was a pathway to help enfranchise so many different African Americans, and so there's so many stories that need to be told. And we know that we're losing those players all the time that it just made sense. This is what we need to do this. What Baseball Mental America. So we need to make sure we captured that part of American history and that's the thing is Jeff is African American and minority players, but it's also the story of America and American? And then it was also just important that all of these players are amazing and they had so much impact on the game. So just out on its own, those things make you know this was the right project to do. You said something interesting you said I wanna go back and let those dudes say how they felt what was happening talk about how much up baseball and talk about how much it meant to them what did you find that did mean to him. You know all say baseball was everything it really was and I specifically asked the question of what it meant to them, and also they mentioned that community because it gives us a really good context because the way people think about baseball. Now you know it's this village millions and billions of dollars involved with players, billions in the industry. So people are sort of removed from that space. But when you're asking them, it was the thing that they. went to bed thinking about that they woke up and the morning thinking about and it actually had an impact on the community. It was what people talk about the barbershop. It was what fathers with their sons and it was this community building space. So it really was everything and so it's important to let people know that it's at those times before all the money is involved it was the there's something that that inspired them in their hearts. Were you concerned in any way that there'd be a disconnect between you and talking to these players from a different generation because of the fact that maybe you did not relate to the times that they grew up in or maybe to the sport. Well you know it's funny because I you know you mentioned dusty Baker when we talked earlier and Morgan and I've talked to both those guys and they're fantastic and different players. But my feeling is that this is history African American history. So and as we place that in the context of America itself, it doesn't matter that I'm from a different generation than those guys or that I didn't know everything about baseball like all of your fans I'm sure no all of the stats and all of those things I. definitely don't crane to know that. What would I do know is I understand what's Happening in America at that time and how important it was and that they broke ground for all of us for all of us to play other sports just looking at education and being looked at as men. Of Color, who were full Americans? So that's something that's important. No matter what. So yes, I was intimidated because, of course, you talk to Joe Morgan or talking to dusty like just the other day I interviewed Orlando Cepeda and you are. In all all their accomplishments but that just makes it may mean so much more and I think that they feel that I think they recognize that there are other things that you know there's there's other sports and other ways doing gauge that these guys their stories matter and I think that they really relate to the fact that I that me cited this is this is a piece of the peace of mind history I've got work on this because. I can feel it. Yeah. One of the things I would observe is the fact that all of those players, the hundred and eleven that you're interviewing probably see this as a bridge, a bridge from an earlier time to a contemporary time and I really think you had an advantage Neftali because not being connected to the period of time that they grew up. You were kind of seeing things for the very first time and it was important to them to be able to explain to you and others who had not been through that period of time What it was like am I correct in that observations? No. You're totally correct because when you I mean truthfully I've been with these and I've seen them break down in tears just talking about what they had to go through and what it meant to them, and just just for for your listeners and for everyone hundreds up really understand. It's not just the guys who you know Willie. Willie mays in life Willie mccovey like the guys who are the best and who were the greatest of the game. All of the players faced some sort of adversity and so two likes let them get that off their chest and to let them really talk about how much they love the game and appreciate the game like those are those are just magical moments so. I think I think it is a different perspective from coming in and and really really connecting with them and I think I'd seriously they. I think a lot of the guys have told me stories that they have told their own kids because they say, Hey, you've got your kids. You don't think about it. You don't really want them to have all that on you but We're excited that you're doing this project because it's nice to get it off your chest. Talk about the good times and bad times and also gives the context where baseball is right now. So you know I have no matter what I'm totally honored to be doing this project and working with them. You know. Know as well as I do that transitions usually come slowly and they come somewhat easily. But when this happened in baseball, it was really kind of a shock to the system Jackie Robinson in nineteen forty seven. What were those early years like for the African American players? There's so many stories just you know. It was so hard for them. It was so hard for them, but I will tell you this. They all talk about how Jackie set the standard for them and they knew that they had all of the African American community on their back and you know as we all know, Jackie had to permit to make to make that transition for them and they all knew that they need honor Jackie and they need to honor the African American community and that if they did it do the right. Things, it would blow the chance for their chosen play, and for the way that you know African American men and women would be looked at. So there's a lot of pressure, but they they all they all rooms indication, but I'll tell you they told me just scary stories of being chased down the road by you know, take members or just equal in towns where they did. They didn't like them or like having Americans play at all. So I mean I can tell you stories where. You guys are talking about you know especially, especially, minor league ball about people throwing things at them. I'm from the stands and watching the you know how tough segregation was players who came from different parts of the country especially, the you know the the the California guys, California guys going and doing you know playing in twenty and my leagues and being in the South I mean. The stories are incredible. I can actually tell you Just things just thinking right now one of the players had had said to me I get out there and I didn't understand like a Jim crow south and I didn't understand what Martin Luther King was really talking about you know, of course I I heard it on the radio but I didn't really face the but he said I get there was. It was actually maybe so maybe we says I you know they're in the south and there's a guy up in the stands and he says, you know. He's The I bought my first major-league. Personally. It comes to me. It goes right through my legs. He said the guy. Has a watermelon, send them home and he said, I, just couldn't believe it like I didn't know that this is really going on now. I'm in the thick of it. So that's just one story you know what John, and there's so many other stories with so many different players having to worry and fear for their lives Thinking about their relationships worrying about their wives. On the road knowing that they've got a step this example, but still having all this pressure on them, it's IT'S A it's a testament to the strength of these guys like for me. I'm just lucky to be able to be recording and in reminders of. Where we come from. And what we should be doing in the future. Yeah. We've got about a minute before we have to break but Joe Morgan and I were talking and he was right here on sports byline and I asked him what the early days were like for him because when he started playing minor league ball with the Durham Bulls now here's Joe Morgan, who has a kid from California and certainly was not anything like what it was down in the deep south like and he told me that when he went and played for the Bulls the first time he went out there he noticed that all the black people were in one part of the. Stadium and he saw other things that you alluded to as well and so he called his Dad and he said Dad I'm not gonNA put up with this is dead says, yes, you are and he he said that was the start of my battle with that he said but I I really got was able to deal with it and I think the fact that somebody like Joe Morgan and went on to become a hall of Famer and was able to deal with it was something special hold on just a second neff tally we're talking of tally Williams we're talking about him recording and cataloguing every living African American player. From the turbulent I twenty five years of Major, League Baseball's racial integration and that would take you from between one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, seven, and nineteen seventy-one very interesting project. We'll talk more about it as we continue across the country and around the world on sports byline. have. You written a book. 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This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron. Bar. Tally Williams has joined us on sports byline. We're talking about this very interesting project that he has is he has cataloging and and really saving for Posterity Sake one hundred and eleven interviews with ball players who played from one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, seven to seventy one, and I'm talking about African American ballplayers and what it was like as you go through that period of time of some twenty, four years between nineteen forty, seven, nineteen, seventy-one what are the players tell you about that transition and and how much easier had got as you got closer to that seventy one day. I'm I'm glad you asked me that because I always ask them windy noticed that there was a change and you know most of the players really say they went from not being able to stay in the same hotel and all other stories of having to. Have somebody come and pick him up and bring them into the black session of town and that's all say that however they said the b-best cheese they noticed is right when. They could be in the same our town something that's simple as they drove into town together and they have to leave on a separate bus or separate car or walk through the. Town there were supposed to be on. So that's something that I say where they definitely feel that they transition transition was there and it was a personal a personal transition that they can that they could feel did you ever have a chance to talk with mud cat grant? Yes. I did and. man much has so many great stories even just talking about being with his wife and that the issues that he had to deal with low loving his wife who married you now and not being able to to not being able to be with her during his his earlier career because of the fact that she was white and he was black. Yeah I might share this with you and I'm sure he may have even told you about this. You knew he was a great. Musician. And so therefore when they would play. New. Orleans you're absolutely right. The musicians could not stay in the hotels in New Orleans they had to go across the river and stay Mississippi said but Ron, there was an upside to it. He said not only were the black ball players in the same hotel he said. So we're all the black musicians and boy did we have some damn good jam sessions? That's totally true. He told me about when you when you met Miles Davis I don't know did he ever tell you that? No Yeah he told me when he had met miles. Davis and he said your mouth was a man a few words. But he knew that I was taking a stand and baseball and he said you know he came up to me and said Hey I like what you? And the House raspy wrestling voice. So he he was he said that was fantastic and that playing with musicians like that was one of the only upside and asked all the players and they would say that they said, you know you knew where you need to go you didn't like it but that's just how things were. So you know you take the best the best are from that. You could yeah, people fed you. You know with the music was good Tommy Tommy Day as a matter of fact had talked to us about that because Davis loves jazz. And loves music and he talked about the fact that it was segregated and that's what you had to deal with. But you know there were some really great music and they're some great times to happen during the during that period amongst the people, Don. Buford of course, grew up in Los Angeles went to Dorsey High, school and I, know you had a chance to chat with him as well and he tells a very telling story in your interview with him about a guy behind the counter who pulled out a shotgun, pick up the story from there. Oh. Yes. That was definitely a case where. at that time he knew you know he knew that we weren't supposed to be in these these spaces you know and we're not supposed to be in the store no one's going to serve. African Americans and He got the gun on. said. If you don't get out of here, you know we don't we don't serve your kind and it's not just him. There were so many other players tell me those stories. So even when you're telling you that about Don Buford, but there was the same thing you know the same thing with John Mayberry It's the same thing even if we talked to many. Many thing is that the same thing all the players they all have stories like that. Quite. Has Stories like that even though he's later in the time they still all have these these these These stories I mean it's interchangeable as a matter of fact, just for your for your listeners I think it's important to talk about it. This is the African American experience in Major League Baseball Project that's what it's called. Definitely important that we include all of the minority players at that time as well because that that period basically everyone was going through the same thing and I think that that close really is really really important for us to to take no different. Now, because you know the way people self identify times have changed but you know you talk to the Puerto Rican players talked to you the Cuban players at that time if they were darker Jin. Had to deal with as well. But the what I like is that they always talk about the camaraderie that the African American players and and you know the Afro Cuban players or even Dominican players Puerto Rican players, they were all lack players at that time and that to me is something that's sort of a lesson that we can all take take from everybody was dealing with the same sort of oppression and to me that's that's one of the key components of this project is about baseball and history and the great time that they they're. Great Time, they had during the game, the way they contributed as well but to look at this unity amongst all of these communities, just because there was baseball and that they were willing to deal with all of those things to play the sport that loves then to be involved in the game and that they found the camaraderie that is that necessarily the same for all people in all sports these days. You know it's very interesting but baseball was a mainstream in the white culture for such a long time and up until nineteen forty seven it really was not mainstream. Of course, you had the Negro Leagues but it was not mainstream for African. American players and I remember mud cat grant. Ni- we were talking he he I told him I said I was driving to the Miami airport and as we went along the freeway I looked over and this was probably about twenty twenty five years ago and I said I. Looked over I, saw a little white church out in the middle of a Cornfield, and then I looked behind it and there were people playing baseball in their Sunday best with their white shirts on and everything. I said, what does that tell you about how important baseball was to the black community and he went into great expanse about that? What did you find out? What was the importance to the black culture at that particular time before they got into the mainstream and finally got into the mainstream of baseball and society? Baseball was everything best for so many players. So many communities baseball really was everything. You know somebody told me. They couldn't even imagined before Jackie that they could ever. Ever really make it make it and succeed. It was just it wasn't a dream that they could have. But it still didn't lessen the impact of baseball on their lives. They're still love sport and they still loved. What was happening to them and hours they spend it'd become better players, but they just knew there was a ceiling there was feeling that they that they couldn't. They couldn't get through until Jackie came along and that was the thing where the whole community got behind every player of color at that time and it was a big deal. It was it was really important I mean you guys were on you know they're on the front lines. That's that's the best really the best way to put it. They really were on the front lines and you know we come from a time period now where it's it's more about the individual. What you what you want to do and what you can do for yourself. But that wasn't the case. Then I mean, they knew every community new and that's why all the players said even though there were segregated Jim crow laws and they couldn't stay in the hotels they were black players in black players anywhere in the country at the time there was a community for them. So if that doesn't tell us how strong community was, I mean I don't know I don't know what else tests. They would take those players in they recognize what they were dealing with and no matter where they were in the country there were. There were there was somebody who is going to make sure that they ate okay. They had a place to stay and. You know it's the power of. Baseball the community that love baseball. Then I mentioned that there are some stories you can only release them after they're dead the players are dead and I'm just wondering when you think collectively about all the interviews did you find that it was Cathartic for them to finally be able to talk about this? Oh, very much. So you know. Dusty in particular, we're just really great and one called them and he got in touch with him. He was really proud of the project and part of me in general from not belonging to his generation and to to be interested in it because he said, you know we're getting older and winter we really going to be able to talk about all the things that we went through and. Those stories are important in the sense that people think like, Oh, well. It's just guys. Rehashing old days and things were bad. It's not bad like that anymore. But these are real stories and it was real personal history. It's very it's. It's such a release for them to be able to talk about that and put it in context in in really take a load off to take a break been carrying this weight for such a long time and as the Times change. Truthfully you can't talk about it in the same way because then people think that Oh, you're just trying to trying to set us back by talking about this, but they just never really got the opportunity to talk about it. Now I also want your I mean excuse me your listeners to not let there's so many good stories as well. Somebody players so many great nights so many great i. But all of those things are important to us. As sort of the fabric of American history, they get to get it off their chest. We get this wealth of knowledge of where we're at. And you know in particular they contributed so greatly the baseball into American culture the fact that everyone does it not their stories There's a lot of that. So that's why we're trying to put this together. So we can't go forward until we know where we've come from that's that's about Naphtali I wanNA. Thank you very much. This is a very worthwhile project I'd like to support and help you in any way that I can and thank you for sharing those stories because those are stories that do need to be told about the fabric of baseball from a complete standpoint. Thank you very much for your time. You're welcome back here anytime on Sports, byline? Thank you so much. I. Appreciate it. Neftali Williams with us again he's interviewing recording and cataloguing every living. African. American. Player from the turbulent I twenty five years of Major League. Baseball's racial integration, and that takes you between nineteen forty and nineteen seventy-one we continue on sports byline. 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Sports Byline USA. Here's Ron. Dan Washburn joins us on. Sports. byline Dan is an award winning journalist and his writing has appeared in the Atlantic Golf World Golf Digest and ESPN DOT Com and he has written an insightful and fascinating book. It's called the forbidden game. Now, statistically zero percent of the Chinese population plays Goff a politically taboo topics still known as the rich Man's game yet China is in. The midst of a golf boom hundreds of new courses have been opened up in the past decade despite it being illegal to build them and courses were dug up and Shanghai's premier golf course was turned into a zoo. One thing I don't understand Dan if gough is frowned upon in a bad game yet China is in the middle of gough boom explained the dichotomy to me. Right well, nothing is really clear when you're talking about China nothing is in in black and white and I wrote a book about the topic and Oftentimes I find myself scratching my head but it was an interesting backdrop to tell a story about modern China this whole band but booming scenario and actually since the book has come out, the situation has has changed quite a bit but for the most the better part of the last decade starting in ironically starting in two thousand four when the moratorium on Golf Course Construction came down since since that time and the ten years after two, thousand and four. No country more golf courses than China now most people will wonder. Well, how is that possible The game is banned in China or legal to build golf courses in China and yet, and yet they are booming. It's because anything is possible in China. There are always loopholes The local governments are always looking for ways that they can either interpret or ignore. The rules that may come out of Beijing. There's a saying in China, the mountain is high and the Emperor Far Away and Golf is really emblematic of that of that statement So the the local governments, they often wanted this kind of development and they were willing to bend the rules to bring this kind of land hungry. Golf course complexes into their into their neighborhoods because it would increase their tax base that would bring a kind of a well to do clientele. But most importantly because the local governments are the ones who owned the land and they profited mightily from the the land deals surrounding these golf courses. So rule number one. During China's golf course boom is that if you're planning to build a golf course, don't call it a golf course. So in the planning documents that might be a sports park or green space or echo park you just don't call it the golf course and Oh, by the way, some guys will come and hit a little ball around with some metal sticks So it was all kind of wink wink. They're always crackdowns here and there but the only real constant was that the number of golf courses went up. So in two, thousand, four, there are. Around one hundred and seventy eight golf courses maybe eleven of which were technically illegal meaning. They had the word golf in their business license. And then now there's anywhere between. Six hundred to a thousand golf courses in China no one really knows how many because it was allowed to. kind of grow so so unregulated, but in recent years that that golf course boom has has pretty much stopped especially in the last year there's really no golf course construction going on in China right now because golf is wrapped up in this. This kind of never ending corruption crackdown. In. China. So it's really really kind of changed the game, and if we take a look at the historical aspect of this elitist politically the communist party as long really had a difficult relationship with the sport mouse. The Dong expressly banned it believing that it was frivolous and bourgeois and. Has Anything changed in that, thought process. Well. The way you put it, I mean, you know it's it's a very similar situation right now in some respects the game is still known by most Chinese those who even know what golf is they know it as the rich Man's game Maui called it the sport for millionaires. It still is pretty much. The support for a millionaire is in China it's it's it's a game that's enjoyed by. A very elite sliver. Tiny. Sliver of the population and in the minds of many it is tied to corruption because if any government official. was to seeing hitting the links or owning a membership at a golf club they would. Be assumed to be corrupt because no public officials should be able to afford to play the game of golf in China, and then also you've got all of these. Quote. Unquote illegal. Golf courses they all got built somehow and you know corruption obviously played a major role in that so it does have An image problem it also doesn't help that it's a a land and resource and water intensive pursuit in a country where where those things are in very limited supply and. As I said, it's out the reach for the overwhelming majority of the population. So if if Xi Jinping, the president of China is looking to make a populist move. Golf is a is a pretty easy and obvious target low-hanging fruit as they say, let's go through the book for just a second because you use three people in it to kind of explain your position and what's happening with Golf China one is how who is a peasant turn golf pro, right? So Jochen shoe is one of the most inspiring people. I've ever met in my life and yeah, he he grew up in arguably the poorest village in the poorest province in China grew up on US mall village on the top of a mountain and when he was growing up. He's only dream was to get out. It was a very, very hard existence and he eventually did get out HE ENDED UP AT A. Basically a school for security guards at a at a nearby city, and then he dropped out and and went to the boom city of the time, which was Guangzhou in southern China and he got a job as a security guard and he got a job as a security guard at something called a golf. Course. he had never heard of golf before he had never seen a golf course before but one of his jobs a security guard was falling around. The the group of Golfers and reporting back to the clubhouse where the groups were on the course. And there was something about the game. That he was watching. I mean it was. It was a strange game played mostly by foreigners, but there was something that seemed oddly. Familiar to him 'cause when he was a a little. Boy in the village and they would take their cattle to graze The young village boys would play games to pass the time on one of those games was digging a hole in the ground, winding up a ball of paper and seeing who could hit hit it into the whole with their farming stick the fastest and they didn't call it golf obviously because nobody knew what golf was but joe was intrigued by this game and he he was always competitive always affleck and he desperately wanted to play but it was forbidden. He was just a lowly security guard and this was A private club. So but he didn't let that stop him and he devised a way that he could. Train this forbidden fruit in in in private and secret. So he would. He would get discarded clubs and put them back together and he would. You know hit balls out behind the Worker's dormitory in agreement with the with the maintenance staff that he would help any windows that he broke. he would take a ball out he was sneak out of his dormitory, take a ball out to the green and under the moonlight roll it on the green, just to see how it moved. So he really taught himself how to play this game in secret and it. And it is kind of an only in China at that time story. But you know a few years later once he was able to play on a course, he found himself on the China tour this fledgling professional golf tour amongst the best golfers in the country. So his story is really I think emblematic of of the China Dream or you know a certain definition of it and and it's actually very. Reminiscent of of the American during if few, if you work hard at something, you can provide a better life for yourself and your family and he he always had kind of one foot. In the past, this old village lifestyle represented is parents in the book and then this. This new future because this, this whole golf opened up this whole new world for him and all sorts of. of possibilities he never he never imagined. So he's always kind of in the middle teetering between those those two worlds Dan we only have a couple of minutes left I want to touch base quickly on the other to Wang League farmer whose life is turned upside down when a massive top secret golf complex moves in next door to his tiny ancient village right so long Lebeau lives in the the island of Hainan which is Trying to build it as the Hawaii of China for some time now, I don't know if it's reached that way, but they are building a lot of course is there or they have been and this golf complex that moved in next door. To. Wong's ancient village where they live in these he's lava rock homes. the original plans for this golf course development or are somewhat boggling. Mind Boggling. It was originally supposed to be thirty six eighteen hole courses on a plot of land one half times the size of Manhattan. just ridiculously large and obviously impacted the lives of a lot of a lot of villagers who are either living on land or on the outskirts It didn't turn out to be thirty six courses so far they've only open ten, but is now known as Mission Hills High Net and. And that new neighbor really Turn Wong's life in the fellow villagers turned it upside down and they had to to figure out how to adapt to this this new neighbor next door because they realized that a villager or Wong realized. Villager, like him, Maliki farmer who drives a three wheel truck to and from the market every day he stood little chance against the powerful local government and a powerful Hong Kong developer. So his his part of the story is about how People in rural China or adapting to this breakneck change and and historians a little different because he. He actually figured out a way that he to make his his new neighbor work for him and and figure out a way to to spin it. You know make a positive spin on it and and figure out how to provide for his family and generations going forward and just briefly Martin I knew I. can get that pronunciation right a Western executive trying to navigate Jonah's Byzantine and highly political business. Environment ever watching Beijing's golf police correct. So Martin more than the golf course construction industry and he ended up in China's somewhat randomly and by accident, but it turned out to be a a great move for him businesswise even though a lot of people when he first arrived in China not in the ninety s to build golf courses a lot of people in the industry thought he was crazy because. The, golf course destruction was booming elsewhere especially in the United States and no one played golf in. China. The time. So people, Kinda. Kinda laughed at him. But he stuck with it and learn how things work in China or learn things don't work in China might be a better way to put it. And he learned that you know if you're going to do business in China. You need to see some degree learn how to play by China's rules the problem with the. The Golf Industry and China's nobody really knows what the rules are. It's a very gray murky area. But but if you know if I was to one golf course built in, China Martin would be to do it because he he figured out how to navigate this this this really complicated and highly politicized business world in China, a literal ground level view because he was working on the ground. The construction of these golf courses So he he just provides another. Another perspective on this whole. Complicated world that that call things in in in China in about thirty seconds if you were to crystal ball where Goff might be in China, say in ten fifteen years where might it be? That's a hard one to do I I've learned not to make predictions about China because then everybody don't come true now I could see on the golf course side. I. Could see it continuing to be a thorny issue just because of the issues that I that I stated before but you're also going to need to get used to seeing the lots and lots of Chinese name on the. leaderboard of Professional Golf tournaments, and that's all because golf is now an Olympic sport again, and as we know, China pay a little bit of importance to Olympic medal. So they've been funneling even during this whole supposed crackdown on golf at the same time the government's been funneling an unprecedented amount of money into their national team program all with the I on making you know creating future Olympic champion. Burn with us again, the name of his book is called the Forbidden Game Very interesting story about the state of golf in the country of China and I hope that you'll check it out because I found it fascinating the information that I read on it we continue across the country and around the world we've got you on America's sports talk show. Hello and welcome back to the runny do each tax program on the line is Paul from California Hi. Paul, what's your tax problem today hierarchy love your show listen I've got a big problem. You see my paycheck was garnish last week I'm only get half the normal amount to make matters worse the IRS froze my bank account listen I'm embarrassed and scared I need some Help Listen Paul you don't need to feel embarrassed. He just needs some tax help and the great news is the IRS has some unbelievable programs that can eliminate your tax debt. So you don't have to worry about having your paycheck garnished or your bank levied doesn't that sound great? Sure. 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Well, it started in March of March April May June July August this would be the seventh month. So anyway, let's just pretend like it's seven months for seven months. I have watched every single show in the history of Hulu. Netflix and prime. I've watched every show. There's nothing left I've seen everything. There's literally nothing left for me to watch. So I've watched them all and. I had to really go fishing tonight to find something and I was able to accommodate that. Necessity and I had a desire I needed something to what I was watching the dodger padres game. I wanted I I was like it was like heroin. I was literally by eyes were closed each I was closing at a different time like you know every five seconds I was like. I loose Gradiska. Just Keel or die. So I ended up finding which I enjoyed. I have to say and I have a history with them believe it or not. I'll tell you what that history is but I watched Jane's Addiction. A concert that they did at the Irvine. Meadows. In California when I think it was like the last concert ever at Irvine Meadows I could be wrong but it seemed like that's what it was twenty five years to the day. They did a show there at Lollapalooza and then they brought him back to close the amphitheater I could be wrong but I think that's what it was. So anyway, it was the it was like You know the whole they end and with peripheral. Perry Farrell. And it was a really good concert for for being a bunch of old dudes right I mean let's face it. They're like my age now Navarro's not my age but Harry, fareless. and. He was I thought really good. Now, the funny thing about it is is that I mean they played all their greatest songs and I think it was the the album with like You know three days and mountain and You know classic girl, all those songs you know carver high. and. just because just be conscious bannon. In an. Hour. When is the last time did and? tried. So anyway, I saw the whole concert I watched the whole thing. And then I brought back so many memories because I got to introduce Jane's Addiction. At the Tony Hawk stand up for skate parks event in Beverly Hills at Ron Birckel's mansion. Back. In the day and Lipstick City in Beverley hills, right. So I was the emcee the event and it was crazy. There was like ten thousand people there. It was insane and. It was I just remember. Just, a wild party, right in this guy's mansion in his backyard and all the skateboarders. Were there every great skateboarder in history? was there? Berko gave me the gold penguin cufflinks from winning the Stanley. Cup. Because he knew I was a penguin fan and I was the voice of the whole thing the MC and I got to introduce Jane's addiction and I got to meet him and they came out on stage and they did our show they did a set for like an hour and then I did the event at the. Win In Vegas two events one in Beverly Hills one in Vegas and the one in Vegas I think it was the it was. The killers or something or maybe Maybe X, was that a band I think something called X.. Or something like that. Static X now. Maybe was the killers that I introduced. He always had really good bands. Play it is events and I introduce Jane's addiction and they played at Beverly Hills imagine being in a mansion in Beverly Hills in the backyard vert ramps set up like a forty foot vert ramps setup, and they got like rows and rows of life skateboards and memorabilia, and like I mean Mariel amused off Yager staff jerseys. Hockey puck signed everything 'cause burkle own the penguins, and then the rest of it was Tony Hawk stuff like you know skateboards video games and then there was ten thousand kids there and skateboarders and then people were skating up and down this vert ramp doing tricks, and then all of a sudden here comes Jane's addiction out of the. Back Room and out into the backyard onto it's very small stage and they start shredding for an hour in the neighborhood in beverly I mean just shredding. Marshall Stack the whole deal. Won't out and it was insane. It was great and I just remembered. I mean. We got wasted. It was just it was. They had to carry me out of there. I was the as EMC and I just remember somebody drove me back to my. I had some big ass hotel on sunset strip and they drove me back to my hotel and someone wheeled me up to my sweet and I've passed that. But I added good time and I, got the hang of Jane's Addiction. So tonight, I watched an old isis concert was four years ago in two thousand, sixteen, it was right around the time of. The election and believe it or not with you know Hillary against trump. And they came out and and raged in Irvine and it was something else they had like. Strippers on the stage. They had a check swinging from ropes in the air would not like basically no clothes on it was crazy. It was pretty crazy and it was cool and it was good. It was good. concert music. I knew all the songs. I knew the band really well from. The nineties and stuff and. I've played a lot of that music on my show. So. I've already gone down the litany of reasons why I can't. Cooperate with the way they run radio these days that they have taken my music from me. That had basically made me The show was famous for its craziness and it's music and ferrallonthebench was notorious with this. You know skateboarders, surfers and. Heavy at all and that's how I got to meet Metallica and work with them and. Guns and roses and Motley crue and Jane's Addiction, and they all knew me because I played cool music and now I don't play any and you know. It's no big deal I just don't want to kill myself. So whatever. Whenever I get it. I mean they really have ruined me. They put me in a grave money in the crate. But I wish I could play the music and. IT makes the show ten times better and then. So I can't. So what I do is I listen to music you know pretty much. All Day I listen to it when I work out and listen to it in the house I shred I play cool music around here and I watch concerts if I can get my hands on him I love everything man. I love all kinds of music strangely enough. I've I've. Adapted, through the years I told you like back in back in those days I was all about punk rock and heavy metal and alternative music. Addiction and stuff like that, and then and then certainly now I still like all that music but I really like you know strangely enough I've told you all I. Kenny. Chesney I. Think he's Great. I think I don't like country music at all but I think that he's great and his music is fun. It's like Caribbean. It's there's a lot of beach to it. There's a lot of tiki bars to it. There's a lot of. You know drinking smoking and getting some leg and being out on the boat and fishing anti. Smoking fat as and his songs are I think a lot of fun I think is channels. A lot of fun is the music that he likes. The musicians that he likes that he has on on the channel or really good. So I like that music I like a lot of music but I you know I still like old stuff do. I've always been a huge rolling stones fan. But tonight I watched jeans. A lot of memories and I got to Shred. Perry Farrell Dave Navarre Company. Out later tonight Joe Lease we'll talk about the big ten in college. The second on events. If you or a loved one is suffering from a physical or emotional condition that has left you unable to work. Then listen carefully take this number down eight, hundred, five, nine, three, seven, four, nine, one, that's eight, hundred, five, nine, three, seven, four, nine, one when you call, you'll speak with a social security disability expert and get a free evaluation to see if you may qualify for disability insurance benefits from the US government. That's right a monthly cash payment paid directly to you from the social. Security. 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And I mean this this car hauls ass I was doing a buck twenty and. I'm not even kidding and I was listening to Alison chains. I told you I was singing on coast to coast I saying check my brain. Phone Janas Rod Somebody Jag. Braying on downtown you know and Your decision that's a great song and then. Voices that's another great song. So I I like allison chains a lot and I go way back to Layne Staley I'm talking about but boy did they get messed up but They came back I met Jerry Cantrell when I worked with METALLICA. On. Acoustic in San Jose the album on the voice in the album I hosted this show when they to call all over the world and there is a lot of Guys Air Jerry Cantrell Gary Rawson. John Popper her. So. Many musicians in that room playing acoustic would Had feel than in Hammett and and Lars and and I think at that time it was new stat was there. He was still in the band and then I was I was Os W. it was really cool. That was the first time I met Jerry. Cantrell and. You know at band changed a lot I know you like them at some point in your car garage. Did you like Alison absolutely absolutely the the lanes daily days when they were first out their first three or four albums big time I haven't has been caught onto them since. But their early stuff whether it be dirt or jar flies etc. Outstanding records show because I can't remember I. Don't I don't have time to care whatever happened to that dude. He di. Correct drugs heroin right Maybe I, don't specifically remember which drug, but he had a drug problem. He had a massive thing going on I think they I think several of them did and. I mean drugs killed that banned basically I mean they partied their face off and they came back a few years ago. Right and they started playing again and with some different members in the band and I thought Jaren Harry Singing Jerry's Jerry Sing it. Well I thought that I thought that black gives way to blue album was good. Did you like it? Yes. I. Have It. It's a good record I haven't listened tiding allows should give it another spin. It's a good one night. So I was driving a buck and change listening to it with the top down on Saturday was beautiful. Gutter has confirmation at the. Church and I when that was over I took this car out. Chop had never been in a convertible so I drove it and The thing as massive onion. So I just I just hit I was on the freeway just lighting it up with that top down doing a Balkan listening to. means. Keep an eye in the rear view mirror for to Popo. Eye Out for. ABC. Gave I'll. Ask. We. ON CADILLAC CONVERTIBLE Out. Running. Way the dodgers won that game today over the Padres I hit that bad by the way. and. Then I took that cardinals game with wainwright in game. One of the double header I hit that. In terms of bats. I saw I was wondering with. MIAMI. I Know Martinez did a big home run for the red. SOx. But it was still like eight to four when I looked at it and Miami was up I want to check these scores. Well, the phillies just choked away their lead against the mets they've now lost that's a final. They had a four one lead on the mets they lose five four nice job by the phillies tonight. So they blew it and they were up five one or. Four one they were up, they were up for one. degrom left the game after the second inning. He got hurt. Wheeler. Pitching into the eighth. Couple batters too many for him. And the mets then win it with a run the top of the ninth and Diaz close it out in the bottom of the ninth. Right. So I both ends of the cardinals brewers hit the cardinals for doing game one brewers nothing in game two. The Orioles evidently beat. They be called hamels tonight. That's what happened. Was He got lit up. Lit Up. Hamels yields three runs in his debut a five one loss. He gave up three runs in the third and that was it. He got the loss. So did I not call that today on Costa goes like oh? God. Here we go. With this guy, they brought him out of the addict. Yeah he's going to be a big big boost them for the postseason. Remember that. I. was telling the other night. You know they're really count on him to give him something in the postseason. Come on. I won't tonight a guy at a pretty good career, right? You can't. Early that year that goes you're the phillies won the world series. He was unbelievable. That year was the world series. MVP. If I remember correctly said royals four nothing, the Tigers mets five, four of the phillies the as beat the rockies three one, I hit that game the nationals over the race for two Yankees. Again, they've scored thirty three runs into games they won thirteen to two tonight. What did they do in that game? Did they have a lot of it must have had gone your boy Higashi Yoka with a couple of home runs three of them. Three home. All we did. He get a third third. and Dj Lemay you had to. Judge home runs in the game thirteen to two they win Garrett. Cole six and three. Are you happy now with Garrett Kohl's turnaround? Well, you got to remember something about Garrett Cole? Okay. Things are going to get really magnified here because it's only sixty games and the season started. You know basically last week of July first week August you know normally a guy pitches starts in early April and he's GonNa make thirty plus starts. And that rough patch that he would have happened in a normal season. Let's say early May and you would have had plenty of time for him to work out of it. The problem is is that the pressure gets ratcheted up because you only have sixty games, guys can't afford especially guys. You just gave big money to to have a couple of bad starts and that's what he had. Now he's pitched really well, two times in a row we had a no hitter going into the six. Before giving up that run. Pitch. Good again tonight, lot of strikeouts and everybody seems to be getting going for the Yankees. With, a couple of weeks to go here before the playoffs so they needed. Eight strikeouts for coal one earned run. By the way you're Aaron, judge over Ford and his return to the lineup after missing the whole season, and here's another one. Why did they hit and they get so wrapped up in lefty righty garbage. and Aaron Hicks Hitting Third Tonight in that lineup sitting fourth. The fourth tonight that he hit hit foresight. Third or fourth whatever it was. Clean. Up with his to twelve average. He stinks he's just awful Clinton every time I see him every time I see him I cringe. I don't even care if he hits a home run in the playoffs either he sucks he is terrible stop with this Aaron Hicks BS and can't take it anymore. Let's just. Can. We just admit he's terrible. I mean I'm done being nice. I'm done with it. You suck get rid of him. He never does anything they paid them eighty million dollars to two hundred. Can you imagine like? I, can't even you know. If you had two hundred and you're being paid that much money. You have to get it back. As you'd be a part of the contract that closet says if you suck give it all back. I mean honestly he he should be paid the league minimum for his hack gas. And another one I can't be. We've already gone down the list Sanchez hitting one, thirty four, and then they're not even playing. Gardner. He's another one that can't do it anymore he's done. Not. Writing, on the wall time for guarding party, it's like bachelor last year they went to year too long with them. They didn't need to go another year. There was no reason to but now at least they're playing clint everyday in left field because Clinton is the main. He's ridiculous home tonight for him. He's. For two or three with another one tonight, and then you hit home run again was voight. Void had some run every night now? He's had a good season for them he and he was the only guy hitting losing streak. Less need like playing. Coming. Guys yes. He was doing nothing for the cardinals. Can you believe what he's turned into for For the Yankees. I gotTA ZIP on my kneecap. Have you ever had sit on your kneecap off the top of my head I can't remember situation like that. Literally it's a gigantic white. Cap. Like it you know ready to blow just as tight as ever. It's like a nail and it so enormous. If I, get him ever. You know rarely do I get him. Let's just knock on wood I'm not a Zik guy but I got like I played basketball that I sweat right like a fiend, and so I obviously got like A. Zip from sweating or something right. On my kneecap of all places. So it's like really tight. It's right on the top of my kneecap and it's just enormous this it's unbelievable I wish I could show on the camera but I don't think it would work I'd have to get up I might fall over if I tried to hold my knee up again. But. What would be great is if you ever seen the show dodger pimple popper. You've never seen that show. They got these people on there that just popped zits and just gushed that losing. Know Action Everywhere, but chopper loves to POP MY BACK'S IF I get him from ask all she'll spend power cranking sits. Hi this is Rick Tidwell. Make sure to tune into my show titillating sports, every Monday through Friday. Thank I'll be free hours from nine to noon on the West. coast. Noon to three on the east once again, check me out leading sports every weekday sports violent. You're listening to Ferrall on the bench here on sports overnight America. Now today's real key tones good health tip beginning your low carb lifestyle just start simple number one pick protein chicken beef pork Turkey seafood and eggs number two pick low car veggies. Cauliflower Broccoli Zucchini cucumbers, etc. Number three at good fats butter cheese bacon avocado and nuts. It's that simple and now a word from real key tones Kito energy shots. If you knew there was an energy shot that also helps you lose weight. Would you try? 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This is like black and blue it just immediately turned like purple like completely black. So it looks like I have a it looks like I have like a black sharpie mark on my kneecap. It immediately went black and blue because I'd had enough of it. The thing was the size of a dime and I just said, you know what watch this up and cranked it and it just popped now is all she wrote. I cleaned it up and now it's black and blue but. Speaking of. Lou Turns to black or whatever the name of the allison chains out Moore's Latte turns the blue or whatever it is. That's what I just did to my knee honor of house chains. Like them apples. I'd so you never told me really never had a chance today to. Talk to me I'm going to talk to Joe Lisi about the big ten and about college football in this week's games and everything we'll talk about that with him. So you never really you've got to talk to me for a couple minutes about the islanders. And how they won that game I never got to tell you that I thought that Varlamov a dive slide. Was One of the great moments in NHL history because I have never seen a goalie. Go into a full-on slip and slide dive. I've never seen a goalie do that before he just ran he skated like as fast as he could, and then he dove on the ice any slid for like forty feet. And it was a beautiful moment in Nhl Lore. It really was all the emotion there after the really goal and he comes with the BELLYFLOP. Halfway across the ice is. Good for them. Like I was saying earlier their team that. They have fought in these last four games. In this series, they've split them to two. I really wish that they didn't get hosed in that first game with the scheduling, but it is what it is. Every you gotta deal with it. Because they have not looked like that the rest of the series you'll even admit that that game one, the islands have not looked anything like that. The rest of the time they haven't, but I mean it's like, I, you need us rink for like getting over that. You've been talking about that now to be for days. that. I don't even remember gate, but here's what it comes down to. Here's what. I can't either if they surround worried about aim one, they're gonNA lose and they're not worried about that. Here's what it comes down to tomorrow night. They can't they won last night but they need to. Take some more chances and put some more books in the net. I. Don't think they're going to be able to play a game like that again and come out on top because Tampa has too much skill that they will find ways to score volve might not make same saves tomorrow night, they need to get some goals. Get up to nothing that's what they need to do. You need to take two goal lead the play from ahead. if they get into a game like that I think it could be trouble for them. So they I brought this up on coast to coast today and I'll I'll bring it up again to you. I watched the game right and I was rooting for your team. Because I'm a loyal friend that roots for my buddies team when my has been eliminated unlike you. See that evil laugh people just heard it. That was evil. So anyway, here's the deal. I'm watching a game and I'm thinking to myself even though I bet on Tampa doesn't mean I was rooting for him. I just bet on them rooting with the heart and bedding or different. Islands in the Caribbean Okay and the one with the money on it is the one where I'm There's no hard involved. So and that's where the big boat is not the little dinky. Little Dinky. Was it had my heart on it and I was over there rooting for you but here's the deal when they. When they played the first and second overtimes. First of all, the four minute high stick bleed was just under believable minute tanner whatever in the third and then and then you play the first three minutes of the overtime with a short handed against the best power play in the league. I don't think there's a bird dentist Bernstein centered on Saturday at a person in the world that didn't think they were gonNA score I saw him over. Three probably did but here's here's the thing I just felt like in the overtime I did not think they had a good power play at all in either the end of the third or in the three minutes I thought the islanders to shut them down. And then there was a moment in the overtime that I remember specifically where Annersley I believe is that was that had no stick he broke his stick. Two minutes or ninety minutes the guy skated around with nothing but his skates as a as a deterrent and it was pathetic because Tampa in that moment of ninety seconds to two minutes. Literally and there was no advantage. It was five on five but they it was like being on a power blake one guy had no stick and he couldn't go to the bench and they kept the puck in the zone for two minutes and they literally didn't get one shot off. I couldn't believe it. How do you not get a shot off with a guy that doesn't have a stick? They just kept passing around and they never shot it but. That's not my point. The point is, is that the remainder of the game in overtime and the second overtime they had at least seven chances I can count on two hands. How many chances they had to score I mean add some great chances. One of the parks bounced over Varlamov and was laying on the ice behind him between his sight. And it did not go in it just sat in a sludge puddle and they never poked it in and the guy was skating up. I think Kucherov is getting up to poke it in and he got. He you know I think I think far llamas or someone got a leg on it at the last second and locked it. I think I. Think it was relaxed. Got His leg on it. Okay. So that was just that's my point. They had seven chances to score and I thought the islanders had one chance to score on it was bars all. The bars l. play where he kinda got the. He was breaking in and he did and he just couldn't get it high enough on vessel Anyway the the guy. He couldn't get the shot up in the air he couldn't he couldn't make. But. I thought they had one chance to their seven. No you're right. The the lightning had more opportunities in both the overtimes to get it done. But they didn't have a an opportunity like a mistake like what the islanders one on you know it wasn't a lot of. Break away or things like that. They had really strong opportunities. The islanders then finally got that chance to on one. You're getting absolutely nothing offensively you have to bury that. and. That's how you win a game a double overtime game like that you have to capitalize on the mistakes and the Great Pass from Louis to get it across to Everley there he had the man on them. I didn't I didn't think he was gonna get it across I I knew it was going to try pass it, but it was a perfect pass and took care of it. Beauty goal and that was a great shot. Funny. Bernstein mentioned it to us today that it was like the Guy Evanston he never. had. With the islanders in Edmonton in the bubble. So. If you were to. Like Let, me look at this. When is the draft? Didn't you give me some dates October October sixth is the draft I mean draft is coming up in a couple of weeks here. Okay. So they're going to draft in a in a few weeks. Yeah. War were semi that this thing's over soon right and then when it's Okay. So when it's after the draft, how long is it? Do you know exactly when they're going to start the next season? Well, they're doing the sixth and seventh of the draft. Of October, then free agency starts Friday the ninth if I had to guess. Now Bettman I. Think he's being probably a little pie in the sky. I think that he wanted to start by mid December I, don't think he's GonNa be very realistic. I. Think that if they can start New Year's Day. Right, about there I think that that's what they should be shooting for, and then they can they still wanna play eighty two also. I think if they start January first, he can get everything done by the end of July and then he can get somewhat back onto regular path. So, are they gonNA play the season? In normal fashion in light yet now, we don't know. That yet there's been both ways. Yeah. There's there's no way they can have a bubble for the whole season. No, it's very hard to do I mean. They need. They need to do something like mlb and the NFL are doing where they're going to be traveling to these empty arenas and going to be playing there unless things obviously change in the next three or four months who knows what's going to happen. But for now, I would think that they're going to go to what MLB's doing traveling around. Well. What are you saying, leave fans, I'm not saying it'll be fans yet but they'll be doing that. What do you think's going to happen? Let's say fast forward to. January. First. What do you think the world's GonNa be like Oh man. I. I hope better. I not that far away. It's not. It's not that far away. It's three, three three months away. Geez I. Hope it's better. That's for sure. I. Don't WanNa get any of this second wave stuff or Do you think there will be like, do you feel that when? The. The fall is here. The fall is on Long Island and Jersey, and in new. York City in the morning, it's cold. So. I know that like the next day I think tomorrow or the next day. It's GonNa be decent in the daytime. You know it's like seventy five or something like that. But in the morning, it's cold. It's School and it's fall and the leaves are falling and things like that. So where we live in New York City whatever it's starting to be fall. So what happens in the fall when it gets cold and then it starts raining in October and it I mean, it just rains every other day for like twenty, four, forty-eight hours it just never it's never nice. Like in October November forget it some miserable here. It's just gray and Graham, and it's the beginning of the hell. How many people do you think it's GonNa you can't deny because it's the cold and flu season we have cold and flu every year in those in those months. What do you think it's GonNa be cold flu and Komen. Probably not ideal. That's for sure. I don't think it's going to be an ideal situation. I don't know you hear so many different things from so many different people who think that they know what they're talking about. Some people tell you. It's done some people tell you. It's coming back stronger than before you don't know who to believe, and that's the biggest part of the problem. Believe that it's over or Dow. I. Don't I don't seriously believe that but there's people selling you that I don't seriously believe it but it's hard because you have so many people selling you so many different things that you don't know exactly what to believe I saw. Did you see these idiots running through the target store in Fort Lauderdale with no mass on add some Issue that yes, I did. But he thinks should happen to those. You know. Follow, the rules I just don't understand. Follow the rules. What are we doing this? They should asked me. At Ain't they should allow people. To. Feed. Their ass. When they come out of the store, they should have should be beaten to a pulp. Andhra plan you don't wear mask popped in the mouth. Fast Okay I need you to listen to me I. Know that a lot of times mom it might not seem like I'm listening to you but I am I hear you. Really doesn't matter to me I mean, let's be honest. No Kid likes rules but I get why we have them I hear you and I know it's because you care all the talks we've had over the years including what you've told me about not using our and other dogs they stick with me and believe it or not. They really do make a difference a specially at times that matter mumps. The drink nothing. Some good. So thank you. For talking and preparing me for what the heck. Never giving up and always being my biggest fan. Thank you for letting me know what you expect. So I can try to meet your expectations A. For more information about talking with your kids about underage use of alcohol and other drugs visit, underage drinking, Dodd samsa Dot Gov. Most of us like to be in the sun, that's why sunscreen and other safety measures are key to protecting your skin from aging and cancer. The FDA recommends using a sunscreen with a sun protection factor or SPF fifteen or higher. Also look for broad spectrum label that means both harmful ultraviolet a and be raised of block UPA raise age skin you'll be raised burned and both cause cancer. The perfect sunscreen does county use it wrong don't need sunscreen on a cloudy day wrong eighty percent of UV. Rays still get through the hanes only use sunscreen have. No anytime you're outside you be raised attack the skin. 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Hi, we're having nothing but problems. Now, all of a sudden, it's a disaster. You knew that was going to happen right? We'll be luggage? We'll be lucky of. Lucky we get through this tonight. Anyway. I forget what I was talking about their second. I mean at once the disaster came into play I had to just completely lost my train of thought. So. Out I. So I was watching the padres and I like him a lot but. I think know I'm watching the dodger game. The dodgers were kicking their ass and I was like bored to death. And then I, started watching Jane's Addiction Concert and then I came in here to do the show and I turned on a couple of baseball games and I flicked through the channels I eventually found the. White Sox game and it was like I've had more funding dentist chair. Watching the game. So now I've turned on the cubs game and I'm trying to get involved in this now and it's to piece and I want a guy couch. My is now. I'm just Gimme the playoffs or give me death. I can't get into the baseball I. Don't know what it is man later in life I am losing interest in baseball I like betting on it and I'm good at it. But watching it is like honestly. My Name Is, Pedro Fernandez. I. Am the rainy defending the undisputed heavyweight champion, the radio whereas we're talking Combat Sports Saturdays, and Sundays Levin emphasis dime join me. Live worldwide on sports sidelines you're listening to Ferrall on the bench here on sports overnight America. You're listening to the heartland newsfeed radio network at live dot heartland use fee dot com. This dream is supported by advertisers and contributions by. Follow us on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM's. Service Kgo Newscasts Activists Sixteenth Twenty twenty I'm Mike Clifford. In many US cities, relationships have soured between police and protesters who say officers used strong arm tactics during demonstrations against racial injustice are Mike Mullen, reports I o those tensions are on the rise again. A Des Moines community group is calling attention to a letter sent to a city council member who tweeted concerns about the August arrest of two Black Liberation Movement activists. The charges came after a nonviolent protest. Iowa citizens for community improvement claims the letter which criticized the council members. Concerns was sent by Police Union in secret group members Sharon ZANDER'S ACA says, it speaks volumes about leadership. We're looking at WHO'S POLICING WHO Is it the police policing the heart city elected officials? Or is our elected officials? able to police police. She says, this could be viewed as another way to suppress voices. The group says the Des Moines Gold Braid Organization sent the letter to avoid a public records. That of Mine Register received a copy and confirms the group's claims about the content the union call the council members, statements unprofessional. So the department's actions were a de-escalation tactic. President trump presided over a White House signing ceremony Tuesday of agreements, establishing formal ties between Israel and to Arab states the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain saying the accords would change the course of history that for the Washington. Post. The agreements marked the third and fourth Arab nations to normalize relations, with Israel, and the first since Jordan took that step back in nineteen ninety, four following Egypt in Nineteen, seventy nine. The post notes that trump took full credit for setting the path and encouraging them to take it a white. House statement attributed these success to his foreign policy vision and his acumen as a dealmaker. To advocates for environmentally safe and equitable business development are joining forces to encourage the growth of sustainable responsible companies. He American Sustainable Business Council and Social Venture Circle. A social impact networking organization are forming a partnership to work for environmental change at economic, justice according to Geoffrey. CEO of a SBC, they'll promote alternatives to policies that favor the biggest corporations over the needs of working people. What's good for the environment can also be good for business. What's good for American workers can also be good for business and that's the wave of the future. He says there approach rejects term profits in favor of a stakeholder economy based on long term value and accountability I'm Andrea. Sears reporting this is PMS. Election Day approaches a coalition of voting rights groups as urging Maryland's board of elections to help eligible citizens vote when they're incarcerated or newly released the groups have outlined a plan to ensure voting rights for people in the criminal justice system including secure ballot boxes at all correctional facilities Kiana. Johnson is with life after release in Prince George's county, one of the groups behind the plan. She's concerned that state local detention facilities won't uphold the law that gives these folks the right to vote that unacceptable organisaton mobile officials and not have a plan for individuals who are currently being held pretrial who has not yet been victims of a car, the coalition which include criminal justice groups and Maryland's N. double ACP wants the board to support nonpartisan educational materials an ad voter in. And complaint hotlines to local detention facilities free call lists I'm Diane Bernard. About forty seven thousand Marylanders either being held pretrial felony convictions who haven't completed their probation process have the right to vote according to common cause and would just a few weeks left to complete the twenty twenty cents groups representing Arizona's historically undercounted residents said, they're making a major effort to ensure they are fully represented. The final count will determine how billions of federal dollars are distributed for health social and educational programs. The census also contains data on each of the state's racial minorities Isis. Zone point a human rights movement says, many people they contact about the census particularly in Latino Native American households are hesitant to respond and I think once we have that legitimate conversation of what your position is trying to keep you from that really helps our people have a lens of. Like Como on in terms of Oh, you know this really will help us so far. Eighty six percent of Arizona's have filled out their census forms below the ninety two percent national average among communities of color. However, this rate is believed to be significantly lower the deadline for the census counties October thirty first mark, Richardson reporting, and finally Suzanne Potter reports the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC working to recruit a new generation of Latino Dawson's and curator's so they can help tell their communities stories. The museum is opening its New Molina family. Latino Gallery next year Smithsonian Latino Center. Executive Director Eduardo Diaz says, he recruits interns where he knows he can find a high percentage of Latino our history majors at the Vincent Price Museum at East La Community College we know that the majority of Latinos and let the WHO are enrolled in for secondary education are enrolled in community college not in for your institutions. I'm Suzanne Potter. This is Mike Clifford for public news service member and listener supported heard on radio stations across America and online at public? New. Service DOT ORG baseball tonight. The twins are up five one in the night on the white sox on the south side of Chicago J. During that game off I wanted to gauge my eyes out cubs Indians or to two in the ninth at Wrigley. And the Indians runner I to out the diamondbacks lead the angel six to do so so much for Dylan Bundy's been on fire. He's losing six two after three innings he got lit up. The giants are up seven nothing on the mariners in the top of the fourth the dodgers beat the padres seven five marlins eight four over the red sox. And the reds one nothing over the pirates castio got the win. Yankees and Garrett Cole Thirteen to over the J seven home runs for the bombers. Nationals in ten innings, beat the raise four to two and the as three. One of the rockies cardinals to game of the double with the brewers forty two, the second game brewers nothing mets came back from a four one deficit to beat the phillies five for royals for nothing over the Tigers Orioles poundstone Cole Hamels for three runs in the third they beat them five one Baltimore wins and the Rangers Somehow beat the Astros one nothing. The Rangers went about once every two weeks. So they beat the. stroz tonight. By a run so there was only baseball on a mid weaker. And no hockey no NBA tomorrow will be game two of the heat and Celtics. And that should be interesting. And I'm looking forward to that I hit the heat to win game one and getting one and a half, and I hit the nuggets spread in game seven carber hi hit it to win outright on the money line and he also hit the islanders. So in a little bit, we're going to talk to Joe Lisi about. College football in the Big Ten news today, we're GONNA play starting October twenty. 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You don't start it up. You know what? The kings that's really a place where I can get things cooking, and that'll be my stepping stone to the next job. Did you ever see like when they were good though with Webber and Blahdy in those guys they were good. Those were good. Good Times one good time talking. In franchise history they have one good little section at time. So to Grand Guy injured than I he left the game. and. The other night it was ARRIETTA. That had the same thing happened both of them. Hammy. Right. So. Guys are dropping like flies. In. Baseball. And then I told you. There's only a few games going on right now twins up five one in the ninth on the white sox cubs, Tutu diamondbacks sixty angels and the giants now eight nine thing on the mariners in Seattle. So we're GONNA talk to Joe Lissi coming up but I wanted to bring up the golf really quick. So tomorrow, the US Open starts at the famed wing foot in New York. And I am just here to tell you just. So you're aware I. Don't know if you saw coast to coast today for scripted TV. But I had on David do sick of Golf Week and you know I have a friend a really good friend that is a member at winged foot. And this guy is from Pittsburgh and he is a great golfer. fact he lives on a great golf course in. Pittsburgh. That's legendary and the guys like Scratch Golfer, he can really play. And he's a member at a Guy Gos- more than when I now and he's A. He's a member wingfield. So imagine living in Pittsburgh, but you're a member wingfield. So I was at a club, the other day plane and I I think I I don't know if I told the story but Michael Jordan, Samuel Jackson Mark Wahlberg are all members there right. So these are Hollywood guys and. An NBA owner worth billions with his Nike Line, Michael Jordan and the most famous basketball player ever. And they're all members of this club in New York right? Not Winged Foot. It's a different. It's a different club and it's a really good golf club in New York City and. Same thing, my buddy lives in Pittsburgh, but he's a member of wings. And he told me. And he's never taken me golfing there and you know it's not like I see him ever I'm really busy but I see him if I go to Pittsburgh if I go home to a steeler game or Pangolin. Her my dad's funeral. I saw him and. I always see him when I'm when I'm home in Pittsburgh and he's a member winged foot and he he used to tell me stories about it, but it's the the most brutal golf course. In the country. Bar None like absolutely Barna now there's a lot of people that would say you know oakmont in Pittsburgh is legendary for US opens and it's one of the greatest golf courses ever and then you know Pinehurst there's people that would say. I think Pebble Beach is more beautiful and is probably the most beautiful golf course in the country, but it's not the toughest. It's really a good course, but it's not the Deva's golf course ever like bethpage black suede tougher. Right these are visitors something. That's all. That's all the pebble beach is it just looks cool. Ones. That's all it is. Okay. So wing foot is the most brutal golf course in America. I mean, that's what. I mean there's I. Mean like guys on tour are they not saying? This is the hardest of course they've ever played. There's guys it Justin. Thomas Tiger Wood they're all saying the same thing. That's the hardest golf course they've ever played. So. I am so excited. To Watch them all. Suffer. For the next four days I have. Absolutely. No reason for any reason at all to watch except to watch them suffer. Now I know that sounds cruel but I am cruel because we've watched these guys twenty, twenty, four, twenty, seven, thirty under par fifteen, hundred, ten, five at six at their never. Ever Right He's got everywhere. They play everywhere even Augusta? They're under par. It. Doesn't matter where they play. There's nowhere that they're overpower. And now we're GONNA see. The winner the last time they played their Jeff Levine was five over that one. So we're going to see guys literally they're GonNa be guys shooting twenty thirty over. And they're GONNA they're not gonNA make the cut but the cuts going to be gigantic it's going to be like. Who knows what it'll be but if the winner was at five, what would you think fifteen will be the cut. I mean it's be horrible. It's GONNA be. It's GonNa be horrible but I wanNA see it because. I've always said and people can hate me all they want I think the open championship. Is. The best of the majors I know everyone thinks it's Augusta I know everyone thinks it's the masters. There's no questions asked. The reality of it is is that the hardest tournament is the US Open. And the best tournament. If you ask me the open championship, the British open to me is true golf pure brutal. Violent. Wind rain cold whipping. Deep. Twelve foot bunkers links golf. Rolling Perkins said to be perfect. You have to you have to hit shots on angles and off you know banks off rolls off hills downhill lies uphill is all these shots are crazy, right? It is just absolute insanity watching them play links golf. Like when they play at Kia on the ocean course in the Ryder. Cup. That's the same thing brutal, right. So I and whistling straights brutal. Links. Golf. I like links, golf I like brutal casts of. Frankly endurance nerve anger. REEVER BAVA bad shots like find a way. You've gotten all kinds of trouble and you're looking at a double or triple, and then finding a way to walk onto the next t and somehow try to get a par. 'cause the courses so hard if you have a double, how do you get a par on the next hole when you're angry and everything like that carbohydrate you have an opinion of. G You enjoy watching the pros. Suffer. I do enjoy watching the pros suffer I. Think it's good sometimes to see an extremely difficult golf course like winged foot get you know the sometimes the golf course in the US Open is the star. Now that's just the way for one way or another. And I like that better than a couple of weeks ago at the northern trust when the guys are shooting twenty-seven on the front nine, I mean. That's just the way that I feel. I would rather see these guys have an extremely difficult challenge like at a wing foot. nope. Mont. at bethpage black. then. What I saw a couple of weeks ago. So yes, I do like when the golf courses kind of the star of the weekend. So, David was on Zander's softly I'm on Zander sharply DJ. Again I, just think Dj's just playing great golf right now it's hard for me to bet against Dustin Johnson but if there's anyone that I like it would be as Anderson Lee who seems to be chasing him like no other and I taught Dusek said it best that? Justin Thomas has. Putting problems in terms of. You know for the season and he's not putting great. But I thought he played really well in east leg the tour championship as well. So I cannot write him off I. Think Rahm is a guy that's been playing golf whole season and. You know this guy this shambles big bopper. Obviously he's a big hitter but to me, it's one thing to hit big. It's another thing. To hit big and end up. In the rough. If you're GONNA hit big. Where's IT GONNA end up in the fairway or in the rough if you're just gonNA drive it three hundred and fifty yards three, seventy, five, three, eighty and ended up in the deep rough at this of course. You're dead meat. Hello. And welcome back to the runny do reach tax program on the line is Paul from California Hi Paul. What's Your Tax Problem Today Hi Ronnie Love Your Show Listen I've got a big problem. 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Seventy five dollars for Lehman Young Caesar Salad fantastic I rushed out there thinking that I I told car found. A diamond, the Roth nine next thing you know. I don't know I, was having there. were, they have it. So what did you wish at any point that you were Helen? Keller. And he got to the rest of. US Well. After emperor dinner was over I was hoping that it was Saturday. So I can at least putting some action to make up for the lack of disappointment you know I mean that's that's what I was hoping that Miami will was off a couple of hours later. So you watch the game at least get some action and and just get the pad case out of my mouth. So. You know speaking of the canes, my buddy lives in in Miami and he's a big canes Fan with me. I've gone too many canes games with him back in the day at the Orange Ball where. We would drink. Fifty Presidente Beers at the game and get. And watch the canes rough people. Up. He was talking to me the other day about Derek King any said that he thinks that he's so remarkable that they're gonNa beat Louisville on the road by eleven and I was like by eleven I was like I don't know. If Miami can be. That's good by eleven these days I mean like I said beating you UAB by seventeen is not good enough for me. Joe. A twenty years ago they would've won that game sixty three to nothing. Yeah. Great Point. Scott and I agree with that I think the one concern that I saw out of that UAB game was the offensive line did not show consistency or any type of cohesiveness now. was the lack of spring ball the lack of practice time leading up to that match up. Was that a factor? Yes, it was. But we saw the Eric King make up for the lack of online play his athleticism around the outside. He rushed for eighty three yards and a touchdown. He's going to be the x factor in this match up it's not an easy. I MEAN LOUISVILLE IS A. Loaded offense I said second best offense behind Clemson in the ACC this year in terms of me Cunningham, he's an athletic quarterback Jay. Beyond Hawkins as a fifteen hundred yard rusher, they have Tutu atwell designates Patrick but this was a team that my Miami dominated last year they beat them fifty two to twenty seven in in Coral Gables and South Beach and dominate that match up from a Defense perspective, it was a wet track. Now they go on on the roads a little I'm expecting quincy roaster step because they can run the football for at least two hundred yards in this match up I. Think they win their underdog catching two and a half points I like them on the money line not sure they'll win by eleven, but I do feel they get the Saturday night winning on. So repeat that to me again, who won the game last year? Miami Fifty, two to twenty seven. I took him as a five point favorite. They jumped up early. The defensive line stuffed up they force turnovers one concern the the one difference though it was a monsoon in Miami that day. So Me Cunningham struggle with that match up he fumbled they had some inconsistencies and then Miami just rolled till like a twenty eight Point First Half Lead Louisville got back into the game somewhat but they still lost by twenty five and a half twenty five, catch you five and a half points in that matchup. Yeah. I just wanted to let you know I can only think back to yesterday. Really, good with thinking back. In your. People. Where do you think you're going to be in five years what? I don't even have any. To Go back and look at gangs but I'm glad you remembered. Here's the deal. I just. I'm I'm scared to death to have faith in them. I, just you know and I've been a fan for forty years I've told you this before but I they have let me down so much in the last ten years that it's just been embarrassing like I used to roll into work with my cane stuff on all the time carlisle at hats, shirts, hoodies, sweat shirts, jerseys, everything canes, basketball shorts, canes, flipflops all deal. I wouldn't wear that stuff out I'll get shot in. The end of my driveway. Naughty because they've just been so terrible. So let me ask you. Let's go. Before we get into some of these other Games I. WanNa. Get your opinion on the big ten's decision today Yeah I mean it's interesting right I mean they will one of the first in the PAC twelve, the mountain west they were the first to make the decision and now they are they were on the outside looking in they got back into the mix they're gonNA kick off it looks like October seventeenth I again, I think they asked me to quickly I and I think they realize that and now when you have teams like you know kicking off last week. You see Miami the Eric King if you're justin fields and you see Trevor Lawrence and you're watching them play in primetime you're like I want to get mine and I. Think. That's what happened in terms of you know putting the pressure on Kevin Warrant to get back and have this vote, and now you see the PAC twelve scrambling right now they're scrambling to get started in late October. I don't know how that can happen but that's what the pack twelve is is hoping to do at this point because there's the last power five conference that's on the outside looking in as we speak on. Wednesday night. So they're going to start on the twenty four th. The big ten of October that'll be the beginning. And then in the end. Carver high told me today on coast to coast. What they're doing is they're going to have you know they're playing eight games plus the title Game But then the ninth game is everyone else. So the second place teams in each division play the third place teams in each division. We'll play etc etcetera down the down the list. So the really in reality playing nine games and everyone plays nine games in the championship game is the ninth game for the two best teams in the conference. and. So you know who one of those teams is going to be is Ohio state without a doubt there's a lot of people think that they're going to win the national championship this year with Justin fields are you buying that and are you certain that they'll be in that big ten championship game? I think they'll. I'm sure they'll be in the big ten championship came. They are headed and shoulders above the rest I? Mean over the last five years, they've lost five conference games I mean, they just dominated the competition. They won their conference games by thirty three points per game last year. The biggest concern is they had two players off out why and Wade now they're expected to come back. They haven't been given that clearance yet because both players soaring with agents. So we have to see how that situation place out I still think ballplayers Justin. Fields is good enough that offense is good enough to get them to the conference title without a doubt the only team that in my opinion that could possibly challenge them Penn State Mike Parsons might come back now he's in you know insinuated that he might WanNa come back but that's the best team in my opinion to knock off all state even though Joe Milton starts for Michigan until they cannot go Ohio state and show me that they could step up on the road. I can't buy into Jim Harbaugh in a big spot right now. Hey Suck. They lose last date every year of here about them. They get so much hype and they're just not worth it. What's the story with the kid? The quarterback who I guess he's not going to start. So he wants to transfer he's a quitter. McCaffrey happen. Yeah I mean that's that's the landscape of college football right now it's it's unfortunate one Dr Yours. If you don't get your opportunity your move look at the kid from Navy Perry Olsen he transferred after the first game of the season against Byu we came on mop up duty so I it's just unfortunate legal landscape of college football. We're GONNA. See as long as these rules allow these players to to just transfer out under the pandemic type of situation we'll see and if they don't get their opportunity to play and and hopefully they get into a program that really you know allows them an opportunity to start and showcase their talents. A Joe Joe Lisi with us from sports. Do you think? I heard that that if you get the IT, they have to automatically sit out twenty one days I mean if one kid gets it, that's that's three games they're only playing eight nine. I mean if you get the Cova you're screwed, I got ninety seconds on that. Yeah I think it's crazy I mean twenty one days is ridiculous. But that's the rule that they couldn't place because of the harnessed shoes. So again, we have to factor that from the gambling perspective as well. That news is GonNa be very valuable. We find out that players get sick or test test positive throughout the season. So let me ask you this question at The big twelve doesn't have that rule it's not applicable but how this Guy Lincoln Riley, he won't reveal any player that gets it. Don't you think that it should be mandatory that every team announced who has cove it I think they should, but they won't because it's College for Paul may protect the athletes the injury report of the of the worst in terms of you know getting the the information from the school's Heidi great from gambling percent if we need that information, but we won't get it, and until they enforce it teams like Lincoln Riley and Oklahoma will fail to do so. You know I got a plan how `bout when they test them. They're not going to reveal who has it how `bout we don't reveal to them that they have it. Aw. That's come back. Jones had a bad blind date. 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You took them I just you know the Syracuse game, they're down ten six or whatever it was. Going into the fourth quarter and then or something like that, and then they give up three rushing touchdowns in the fourth quarter talk about running out of gas on the freeway from Los Angeles Vegas at the it stuck in the desert with a boxer. And don't girlfriend. They just let everyone thinks. I. Hit Louisiana over. Iowa state. I hit the West Virginia Game Ahead, the army at the Texas San Antonio game at the pit game I hit the Oklahoma Game I hit the USF Game I two lane, South Alabama both ways to win. Bama. Getting the points I hit Texas I hit Louisville I got beat on. Taxes Tag. They thought they laid an egg against Houston baptist, how embarrassing beaten them by doing your favorite by nine, and then I lost Kansas with Coastal Carolina. Do last week Joe. I do some really broke even chew good plays at Arkansas State with the with the points in the money line. So they stepped up I, got them at plus three twenty they beat. Kansas state.

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