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The Kist & Solak Show #87: Jordan Howard Is Okay & That's Okay

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The Kist & Solak Show #87: Jordan Howard Is Okay & That's Okay

"Kissed copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed Solex show presented pine SP nation and bleeding great nation. You are flying high on the kissed and so lack show this episode. Eighty seven brought to you by the five books SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed. You can follow my work at bleeding, greenish dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin so lack while his work at the draft network dot com. Also, follow him on Twitter at Benjamin Solex. That's SOL AK. Ben. I think you've got some news forests from since we last spoke on the podcast what's going on in your world. How you doing brother notice anything different about me? I really hope that sounds different. If it doesn't have to be so of set I was thinking that I would just talking to fake voice for the whole rest of our podcasting existence. This is the new Mike I haven't Mike, but I was just gonna be like Hello like, this is how I've always been manhood, like, you know, no, no fool everyone. But now I got myself in new Mike which. I wanted to get myself a new Mike after the first time ever recorded with Mike which was like two thousand and sixteen. Oh, wow. Been doing this for a while. You also some personal news too. I mean, that's kind of what I'm graduations on the mind we buy while. Now, if you're awful come into say this get it seem like it matters less than my mic such big talking about the mic before the show. And so you were like personal news. Not right that personnel. It's really professional news. But I thought it was just the continued conversation. Now, I can't say this now because it's awful it. So mean, okay, I it today's Friday, I got engaged Hugo, Mike. I did I am. So very happy about that. That's the most important thing. That's happened to me recently by the mile. No. Very she. 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But look the eagles have traded for Jordan Howard. Of course, we had the BGN radio reaction show to that be Jan radio forty three. Make sure you go back and listen to that one. So they covered a lot of things so Jordan Howard from the Chicago Bears. The eagles Sunday two thousand twenty six round pick that can become a two thousand twenty fifth round pick if certain if certain while pull it together tiger, this is a professional podcast. Michaels. God the good lease shows gonna be off the rentals. So look it's likely tact to playing time as far as that pick. Goes it goes from six to fifth wold, no more on that soon. Hopefully, some notes on Howard. A fun fact even over the past three years Howard is second in templates yard runs with Seventy-nine behind only Ezekiel Elliott with ninety five in pro football focuses allusive nece rating. Here's the bad news source to come in. He was fourteenth into thousand sixteen forty eighth in two thousand seventeen fifty ninth in two thousand eighteen his breakway percentage which measures how much of his production comes on runs of over fifteen yards or more takes a similar dip. This is kind of what I was talking about on Twitter last night in terms of Howard. I really pounded the table for him coming out of Indiana a loved his rookie season. I thought he was solid in sophomore campaign. And then last year he struggled and impart. He struggled because the offensive line, which is important context in two thousand eighteen for the bears ranked in the late twenties and just about every. Run blocking category per football outsiders, but he also struggled because he isn't really like a creator. He's more of a reliable decision maker gets to his landmark makes the correct read gets vertical doesn't really dance around in the backfield liked that aspect, but after that it really all depends on how well the defense executes on the run fits, and they're fills the going back to the positive side of the coin has protection a big bugaboo for the eagles backs last year. Howard had eighty three pass blocking snaps only two pressures allowed. That's the least for any back with over thirty pass blocking sap. So he was extremely capable in that area. Which is a good thing for us. Ben overall, when I saw the trade, I thought the value is right in terms of draft capital. The bears were obviously very willing to move on from him and look at different options and increased recons roll. The eagles are a good fit scheme wise to say I'm excited is a stretch. Yeah. I've followed Howard very closely over the years and know what he's capable of. But there are clear. Limitations on. Film that keep me from throwing parade. But overall, this is a solid issue to the backfield. Ben, how did you feel about the trade? Yes. So obviously, I had my impression of Howard eagles traded for him gone through a healthy portion of tape. I wanna get one or two more games in both seeing enough to know that he's just just Joe Jordan Howard. He's just Jordan Howard. And there's not much on his film. That's exciting. And that's not always bad. You know what I mean? Like Jordan Howard regularly goes where he supposed to go so already when those small would goodbye forever, right like, and that's that's the nature of the eagles running back room last year. Big, you know, Jordan Howard going where he's supposed to go means. He has already equal on the level of court commend Darren sproles as runners before like we've gotten to line of scrimmage in terms of what you've got off from Josh out what you got from window Smallwood. So there's that Jordan Howard lacks allusive traits. He's not a high tackle breaker, despite the fact that he's big powerful. He's much more likely to run through guy and get four yards instead of three three instead of. Two than he is to power over a guy keep his feet and keep going. And that's the thing is that Howard is a, you know, a six one two hundred twenty five back who runs a little bit upright. And so his contact balance. Isn't you know, what they always to twenty pounds? He can be taken down by safeties and corners decently regularly. He breaks tackles from corners. Absolutely. But safe these taken down with pretty notable regularity. Howard is not have a high degree contact balance. So he finishes Ron's. He can put his nose down and drive a pile. When like, you know, a defensive tackle trying to make that half arm tackle on him like your half engaged with the lion half. Tackling. How're can take him a ride for two or three yards? And that's good. That's objectively good. But that's the best. You're gonna see in terms of Howard getting more than what's blocked for him. I was ripping through Howard's ten plus yard runs from this year. And really you'd be hard pressed to find a single one where Howard breaks any contact before he hits the third level. And so all our is of runs it's because of the blocking before him now again doing good job hitting the holes. He has some Bill. Eighty to press the line of scrimmage to manipulate blockers. Well, it's hit or miss depending on the concept. He's good on vertical styles stuff wide zone. And traps. Some of the best place that I saw him run and those are place that Philadelphia's getting gift from him. When I say why zone specifically I'm talking about the ability to cut wide zone backup field Howard's not going to be following the wide zone track outside the way Jay Ajayi would. And that's an important thing to bring up Howard may take the Ajayi role being the primary ball carrier. But I cannot emphasize this enough charlatans believe JJ, Jordan Howard or similar players. It's not it's just not the case Ajayi and Howard can run similar concepts and have some similar traits, but aja is athleticism and ability to break tackles made him a remarkably different player than Jordan Howard, number one. He's just more dynamic. He's a better runner when the balls in his hand. He's more dangerous. He produces better number two on like Howard aja doesn't stupid stuff in the backyard. So nice because he has the athletic ability. Things can get away with it versus Howard very much. Just stick to the script player. And that's another part of the problem. Howard really struggles against penetration when things blow up in his primary. Read is in trouble Howard runs directly into contact a lot. He's kind of bright bulldoze put your head down. You can get don't get upset sort of runner. So again, a lot of stuff there that isn't bad. It isn't wrong. Like, it's very hard to poke clips for the article writing on him because so many of them are just vanilla. But there's very little that he brings that gets you excited. So you really like if Jordan Howard is gonna be a big part of the eagles offense number one. You don't really want it to big part of the eagles offense. This is a guy who was over twenty touches only four times during the season for Chicago. And I think that that you see that number get even lower. He was only over fifteen touches seven times for the for cargo. I think fifteen is likely you want have his ceiling for the eagles. You really wanna see him spelled by Darren sproles or a player of that caliber. You know, what I mean if rose, obviously? I don't know if he's still mulling retirement if he's definitely back for next year. Whatever it is the situation was sprawls. You really wanna see Howard spelled by more dynamic option. And that space is absolutely there. I do not think that trading two thousand twenty six that could become a fifth should lead. Anybody to believe that the eagles are interested in Howard as a twenty plus touchback in primary ball carrier. You know what? I mean. The only way that six becomes a fifth is if he does well enough to be worth. Anyway, you know what I mean? So like is really very low low investment, and you should expect eagles to still be by committee and to still be looking for more dynamic options as receiving threats Anna's just runners because Howard might be a good thunder may be good hammer. He's gonna be helpful and goal line situations. But he is really not a runner that threats defense at we're gonna talk about somebody that could be his lightning to his thunder in his second year. But I wanted to touch on something that you said looking for a different receiving threat. I mentioned the pass, bro. So you can leave him in in certain concepts. And he can execute pass pro stuff in whatnot. You look at his receiving stats this. This guy is nothing, but a check down option and has always been that including going back to his college days. You're one in the NFL twenty nine receptions, twenty three receptions after that twenty receptions, never averaged more than twenty yards per game as receiver in the NFL. So he's not going to give you much in that regard. You might think off the film like, hey, you know, big dude, he can Ron Gill. Steam behind him. Sounds great swing pass target the lack of tackle breaking ability baseline allusive nece or the ability to lower your break tackle, just really hampers. Mike sign for Jordan Howard, implicit a low low cap on his ceiling. He doesn't break tackles Naheed. He was more successful tackle break in previous seasons. The maybe in the want to wasn't there under nag he felt like to Rico was taking his job change of sceneries can be better tackle tackle-breaking is a relatively sticky in terms yards crate after contact generally pretty predictive. But obviously he can get better obviously player his power you expect to break more tackles. I think he will break more tackles. Into nineteen twenty eighteen but just his his lack of allusive traits is damning, do we have anybody on the roster right now that you're looking at oh interesting question, Michael as recieving threat. I would like to formally announce to give people asked I've spent a lot of time. Michael a lot of tough hard time talking with myself talking with my loved ones talking with my microphone, and my fiance in that order apparently. Speaking to professionals and looking inward just taking time to reflect and I'm pleased to announce that I've moved on from the now palm free. Oh, and by Marie gone from the Nope, I'm free. I mean to say the first time I see him catcher pass in training camp. I will be fully back on his train. But right now, I moved onto. Nope. Humphry because Mike found love I have found someone who treats me better somebody who's more reliable somebody who I can trust to be there. When the going gets tough somebody who will not be hamstrung by the smallest things, boss. It's baby. The bus got. Let's go bus got Boston, Scott. I liked Boston. Scott coming out of Louisiana tech. Tony seventeen. I like the fact that the eagles added him. I like the fact that they immediately got returner looks out of him when he was added to the roster stolen from the saints practice squad at the end of twenty eighteen Boston Scott is is Darren sproles mold of player. He's a Tariq Cohen modal player. Obviously, you know. That's that's kinda the Howards been spelled by Tariq Cohen player. Before it was to recall it. So I think that Boston Scott has a very clear role here if Darren sproles retires. I do still believe like a healthy pump free is a good player. Have never seen an NFL healthy denote Humphry now his frame cannot handle one hundred seventy pounds will then screw it. Like, you know, you guys gambling in the NFL. I still think healthy pumpers good player. I still think that Pomfret sky both avenues to this roster. Especially of sproles doesn't come back. But Scott is the player that excites me in that. He's not the no pun free. And it feels fresh in new nets. The main reason so Ben has found new love in multiple areas of his lights. Great, mike. I say. So before we go to break here. Let's talk about another player that the eagles have brought on to this roster. Recently. They've talked about it on BGN radio. I think we've touched on before as well. But Anderson day ho the safety from the Minnesota. Vikings comes to the eagles on a one year one point three million dollar contract, filling the Corey Graham roll not the Chris Maragos role. I believe that's very very important distinction to make because he's much better than Chris Maragos ever was who is you know, my feelings on on Chris Pappas areas alcohol spillage does that preclude the eagles from taking a safety early. Now that the third safety rule is filled. Even though, you know, the they got two guys now starting to get up there in age in that safety room. They could be looking to add some youth and add some versatility some guys that they've brought in and we'll we'll start to talk about some of these official visits here. But official visit Virginia safety one Thornhill. Official visit Maryland safety, Darnell savage. My guy, I am really high on savage a love this, man. And then the other official visit of course, we already talked about was garnered Johnson's that's all of them round one round two guys. So they are looking at high value safeties. These are all guys that I value within day to for. Sure Thornhill, I think is my lowest ranked out of them, and I would take him for three fifty seven no problem whatsoever. So Ben seeing as they're looking at these high value safeties in the eagles with official visits. You can't necessarily like connect the dots with them specifically. But it does for them matter, and I have to go back to my research in this update this, but I know going in the last year. This was the thing that the eagles kind of have a little bit of a tell when it comes positionally as far as what they're looking at in terms of the volume of official visits that they bring in for a certain position they seem to be keyed in on the top of the draft of the safety position. Does bring in some day ho preclude them from taking a safety early in the two thousand eighteen NFL draft. Or are they doing what they're doing at a lot of different positions when they bring in Eljay fort. They bring our now are they just creating options to where they have that optionality when they get to twenty five when they get to fifty three when they get to fifty seven they can do whatever they want to do without being hamstrung by certain needs where the had to reach for a certain play. This is like my my answer to your question was gonna be what I say when they resigned Jason Peters. And when they signed the league Jackson when they reside Brandon Graham neon. I mean like you want to have freedom in round one. You not want to be where the Texans are which like the Texans. Don't take tackle dish on Watson can actually sue them, reckless endangerment. You know like the Texans in the guy. That's like joking example. The Texans could go the directions. I'm sure they're considering it. But like every knows the Texans tackles sought every knows they need tackles the draft tackles, it just like make sense when you have the freedom. Then you have the ability to move up and move down and still get impact players. You have the ability to take a guy who's falling or gamble on riser developmental guy. Because you know, you have your. Year one stars between nineteen stars secured. And that's huge. I would still say that safety is the biggest need for the eagles. I would say that safety office of tackle running back on the three. Biggest needs edged linebacker going to be the needs following interior defensive line. I still not with you this whole into your office of line train thing. But different matter entirely. I really wanna talk about that, by the way. But go ahead. Yes, we which we will. But the eagles could go for one of six positions at the top of the draft, Johnny. I wouldn't be super shocked. And that's the way you want to be because it means if you have top fifteen grade on chancing, he's falling will then you can go up and get him knowing that you're not screwing yourself off tackle because Jason theaters for these home. That's the freedom that you have which is sick. The other the player that kind of become the titular target of this hypothetical. Freedom is at all over who. Ed, Oliver tested exactly as we expected him to his now, a top ten lakh when he wasn't before we knew he was super quick. But at all of the guy who if he's fallen eagles will love him will value him icepack that from the team. So we'll say I do believe that Jordan Howard eliminates round one running back that I do believe there was a chance at round one running back. There are people in the building who would like to see round running back, but with Howard. I don't think it happens. So I will say that. But Sunday how I on safety listened Sunday hope cost one one point three million and can be cut and you'll news hundred thousand so you'll paid five hundred thousand to maybe not draft around safety. That's honestly like very fair exchange. I mean, honestly when it comes to Sunday. Oh, if Sunday who is keeping you from drafting Gardner Johnson. Who is a round one grade and a top twenty player for me. I think you're going about the process wrong thing. He's he's not. There's no way. He is. He's anderson. I how exactly so when we come back. I actually want to get into this interior offensive line discussion made you can talk about some official visits that. The eagles have brought in to you to go on that train. That's next on the kissing Solex show episode eighty seven I believe is that what I said, I'm selling. We'll call it that Trump lead ingred nation. Get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. 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You don't necessarily think despite the talk that we had re you said, we could have six different positions in round one wouldn't surprise you. I think those options expand even more as you get into round two. What what is keeping you from drafting interior offensive linemen in day one or day two considering the fact that Brandon Brooks coming back from his achilles injury is a Malo on one of the most tentative contracts that I've seen where they're like you're going to probably be the starter this year, and we have no clue what to do with you after that. But we will pay you if your decent, and we're gonna pay you a pretty low amount of money that also you have Stephen was new sqi me on does the team. Like prior that much like like, what's what's your thinking behind interior off into line? Not being that much of a need. Yeah. I don't know. Ten me. I hear you with the same. Oh deal and the sense like if he becomes a starter, it's super cheap. But I don't think you extended him to be a backup guard center that was new ski was when one he had significant snapping. She's end number two. He was you're starting left guard. Like he was you're starting off guard played well to close out the year, not great fifth at a fifth of his women. But like was newsy was as well. It's really off the line. Same just a part of it. And he's not like a huge liability has developed over the past couple of years, and listen if he's willing to take three years twelve million and just chill through twenty twenty two and be the starter at that number like to me, like even if same likes development stops here him at four million per is fine value to me like he's gonna have to start saving money somewhere. That's good example, like say Mullah gets ended and Kelsey gets extended to me you're not gonna extend those two players and then go hi at into your offense of line. You can go Leyland office of line. But to go with one of your first three picks, you'll only three day wanted to Beck's doesn't make much sense to me. I hear what the brain Brooks injury. But if we're talking about, you know, drafting to replace players to coming off of injury. It could be ran Brooks McLeod. It could be Carson Wentz eventually have this guy's gonna recover. And then, you know, survive if you don't and Brooks, huge body tackle, like frame, incredible strength. That's where I think prior is successful. And I'm not sure the team is super high on prior. But when you draft guy with tackle guard versatility. And he also had a pretty decent preseason. You want him to stay Rosser. Like you want him to be on active game. They roster. Philadelphia. Obviously didn't do that this year as they had was new ski. But I think that prior takes that active roster spot. And so you have big the prior and then question-mark available as your eighth offense of Lyman. If you're going to be carrying eight on game day, obviously with same Allah's ability to snap. I put that in quotation marks. If guard goes down prior tack was on iovine, if Santa goes down Kelsey. You slide Sam all into center and prime was into left guard. So like, the gestalt of the the the unit make sense. I don't think making a high draft pick a guy that you're pretty much going to demand an active roster spot for at least a fifty three man roster. Spot four makes Thomas with the current have argue against upgrading that position. Because I think we both feel the same way about the Amado that he's a replacement level starter if you wanted to operate that my -sition and therefore accentuate your run game that way help protect your quarterback a little bit better as well. Yeah. An official visit for the eagles frame it. This way is Boston College offense of Lyman. Chris lindstrom. And just looking at the analytics on Chris Lindstrom from the two thousand nineteen sports VO solutions rookie handbook. Boston college's team that ran zone blocking concept sixty four point three percent of the time. Chris Lindstrom blown block percentage less than one percent on runs will point zero zero percent on passes. He's a guy have a first round great on believe you do as well. Is there a major argument there that the depending on the way the board falls that they would rather wait not take Lindstrom, and maybe later on take a guy who was another official. Visit Arkansas guard slash center. I think agility fro Holt. I'm not mistaken. And I believe Dana Jeremiah said that he's like your prototypical development type guy like you bring him in. And you hope you get something like maybe three years down the line. Do you think that's more of a possibility if winstrom there do they pass? And then do they look for a guy like for a whole later on in the draft e-health? He Alta yelp yell to like Norwegian or Danish for something. Do we know this to be true? Yeah. And he was asked at the combine but yellow Yeltsin role youthful. Yeah. I love it. I think it's I think it's it's it's moving. It's poetic. Yeah. Like yellow I feel like you should have a Mallon somewhere Stenning, y'all. Yeah. I think like if you said Ben the eagles drafted and interior offs of linemen in round two. Who was an y my guess would be Jason Kelsey replacement. So to me, that's like Gary bribery, Eric McCoy, and then like, I don't think Yeltsin is a day to guy like day three, right, whatever. Right. So to me. It's like all right. We have enjoyed an elite. Center. He's probably gonna retire soon. We need to be ready for this. Now, the caveat. There is do they want Sam Malo to be the center rise. If so that's where we start introducing left guards. And that's what we started through saying the long term replacement guard to move Sam to center wants Kelsey play really tails off once he retires whatever it is which I don't know that. And so that's how I could see like that like extra stepping out of that make guards make sense Lynch is interesting because Lynch from did start for your at tackle at Boston causing his better guard at the next level. It doesn't tackle experience. And you always like to see that in your players. We're gonna be depth pieces the ability to fit in multiple spots. The most important thing to remember all top thirty visits. And this is not directed. Just in general, you use a top thirty visit and I don't wanna say top thirty because Greg Gabe yellow using top thirty but us one of your thirty visits to bring a player about whom you have questions and try to answer them the eagles stout on location to work out. Chris Lynch from Boston College. He was there for that. Pro day is that significant. Yes. But also Stallone's only gonna go to the pro. Oh days where office of linemen are interesting and Boston on the east coast. So like if salad had nothing else to do that week. It's really not that difficult you work him out. And then if you have medical questions from the background of his EVA's history, if you have questions about his personality Lindstrom's like a super quiet friendly, dude, which some authors, align coaches, aren't huge fans of the offense of line lane. Johnson Jason Peters brand Brooks. Jason Kelsey are not quite dude. That's not really their way. If you you bring in players on your thirty people visits to answer questions about them egg knowledge that in three years when Chris Lynch Trump is on the tray block, you won't have the ability to ask him these questions and do these medical reach rejects that you can't do now medical checks short like to make the trade goes through. But you won't no you won't have that access. And so anytime, you have gaps on the eve I'll you wanna bring in that player and somehow access them whether it's at their produce in top thirty visit whenever it is. You wanna ask them to get that down the evaluation because in twenty twenty one when they're free agents in twenty. To when they're on the train blog. Whatever it is you want to have that completed scattering for your personnel department is going to use that along with your pro personnel department finishing evaluation. What he has been the NFL that's going to matter. So that like that is always important. Remember, those those third thirty player visits. So again like, I can see it. It would have to be very clear replacement plan for calcium my opinion. It would surprise me. I don't think it's what they're gonna do. So even if you don't think it's what they're going to do in what kind of to to what you were saying if dirt Bradbury's there twenty five a player that I frigging love I loved the grim richer, how could outlive bradberry and his tape wasn't Bryce who caught on the grim richer. There was Daniel Jeremiah, the combine call them. Call them the grim richer. Wow. DJ here doing Maine's. I don't make comps. Hey counts for the most part. We watch the eagles all the time. We know what these players are like, I watch bradberry. I see flashes of Kelsey if we're going to replace Kelsey, why not do it with the guy that I'm getting serious? Flashes of Calcio watches film. Would you would you be upset at all whatsoever? Even even of you don't think they're going to do it. Would you be extremely happy? As I would if the eagles drafted Garrett bradberry on the condition that like Jason Kelsey has been like, listen. I'm retiring next year slash GSA have been like, hey, like drafter replacement for me. It's fine. I wouldn't want to like catch Kelsey like no I had. No. This was happening. I wanna play here forever. Yeah. But now like in terms of bradberry being Kelsey like player and being able to plug and play and also important for bradberry. He needs a sort of Philadelphia's to be successful right now. I mean, I'm all about I would I would love it. You know as long as likely make sense in the plan. I don't think it's again there. But yeah, I'd rock with that. If they get bradberry Lynch from Erica Koi. Three players have for grades on. Actually. I don't know. If I have a first grader Brad rages because he's so scheme dependent, but we have talked about that too. Where if you were doing it for a certain team like the Rams for instance dance lot zone. He would be a first round guy for you. Yeah. Right. So. Like like for the eagles. Specifically, if they bradberry Lynch McCoy, I'll be happy setting. They got a good player twenty five and that's the name of the game. Then as a matter of figuring out how it's integrated into the Rosner what the one year three your plan is south, you know, I'll be happy camper. Listen, just not not actually. And then honestly, find not Jonathan Abram honestly, say slight Abrahams. Erin be shocked doesn't make sense what they like not Abram or Dexia Lawrence. I'll be happy camper. I love the we are not on board with Dexter Lawrence or Jonathan Abram Dessel, orange your big run stuffer. Everyone keeps mocking into the eagles. I frown which is wild to me. I know we're near listen a Lord, Dexter Lawrence's. I take Lawrence for corner every day of the week. Imagine imagine imagine mocking eagles a corner around one so many people do it. It's insane. How many quarters we talked about that on the last show? It's it's wild to me and going back to two Lawrence for a second. I mean this. This is a guy that I did a summer evaluation on last summer and didn't see development and from him. In any manner in any facet of his game. I give him the benefit of the doubt of having that foot injury in his sophomore campaign. He had a better freshman season. But that's just based on production. Not really on the film. I just haven't seen enough development from him. He's abortion only type of guy. Jonathan Abram is a linebacker to me put some weight on him make him Dion diem BQ in or something like that because he can carry routes vertically. But on in breaking out breaking stuff. He's getting shook I surprised on there. He's a little bit reckless attack ler. I mean, you're asking guy who's key to his game as aggressiveness so aggressive that he ended a spring game by knocking out one of his teammates, which just a vicious hit. And you're asking to tone it down and be a little more under control. I don't know if that's going to be a thing for him. I mean, I have a third round great on my think as a late third. There are a lot of different safeties that I like in that second grade all of which the eagles seemed to be bringing on proficient. Visit. So I'm totally down with that. Right. So you would your ranking for the three safeties. Brought him be Chauncey garner Johnson, Darnall savage one on health. That'd be order. Correct. Yeah. I'm Cianci and then want on how. Darnall savage but round two safeties baby. Oh, yeah. That's boys, and I love mall skinny one on. There is is Taylor up one of them. Like, I love Taylor app is a player would Philadelphia needs. I wouldn't like it too much just because he's super as gotta be in the box and Philadelphia the deep guy, but if we're talking about want Thornhill Diatta, Don, Darnell, savage, Amani Hooker Hooker Khokar surprise me with this testing. He checks boxes Hanky, brother. What the heck was that? Listen, good. Good testing could fill nice guy. Let's do it. I was watching his phone in my problem. With Hooker was like, I didn't know if you could like mass rows vertically into all the in breaking up breaking stuff and whatnot. But what you saw on film was just like a super smart player. And I like it, and we talk about this all the time give me smart defensive backs. He's very smart defensive back. And then he tested the roofing has great ball production. Great ball skills. Give me that guy. Like, I'll take him all day. He all the things that I was concerned. About with him as far as what boxes you need to check. Check them in testing. I'm good to go on like, right? It's not one to one. But like when someone Desmond king came out of Iowa, we were all like, this is a really smart instinctive corner. The problem is rethink. He's not a great athlete. And I think that he's going to potentially have to move to safety or just be like a cover to corner that's going to be the situation for Desmond king. And then king gets drafted by the chargers, obviously, very helpful for his role is the charge us like seventy -fensive back is king came out and pretty much tested as expected him to appreciate how yet here like a good three coun-, and that's pretty much everything else was like average to below average had decent exposure numbers to which which were fine. He had a thirty four inch Vert in a nine nine broad at two hundred pounds. So like, not great. But imagine if you could have another wack, Desmond king just this time. He tested. Well. Right. Like, not one-to-one. I think king did stuff in the balls in the Hooker can't do yet. I don't think that I think huggers much more natural fitted safety, whereas king, obviously has better man cover skills. But it goes back to like Iowa DB's what they're asked to do in their defense, and then hawkers being able to test so much better than we thought. He was going to be able to so, yeah, I'm on money. Hooker gave money will go to the bears as an agent aimless replacement. That's not go over. Well. So that tells me people have not watched Hooker. I I would agree with that. All right been I think that is going to do it for the kissed and so like show number eighty seven. Would you say goodbye to the gentle gentle listeners, everybody stop on the six full podcast Bleacher report, they had on Cody Ford. Oklahoma has tackle official. Visit for the eagles, by the way, it the sound effect. Miller tweeted out we asked for to play word association game. They said, Texas. He says sucks Charles Amena who and he said average in the mistake that was made. Here was not knowing that Charles who searches his name at least once our website, Twitter dot com. So Charles men who responded can't be that average when I had two sacks three three pressures against quote best allowing the country end quote in both games. Played doesn't seem average to me thinking face in one of the year. Second game had a stomach virus and still got the QB. Don't play yourself bra prospect prospect crime, I love it. I'm here for the slot at all times. That's. That's really good context. Because what I watched that game reading about the over the stomach virus. I was like what's going on with? What's what's I was one of the first games? I watch. I'm like his conditioning is just like bad in this game. Like, I don't know if it's because the no huddle or they were doing to him. But like he's not getting any kind of pressure omega who I'm talking about here. And I just thought his conditioning was bad. And I watched more, and I and I saw better conditioning from them throughout games. But that's interesting context that you bring into the aides Lowery, plus from hurting that little anecdote, but I am here for Cody Ford, who is a nasty dude fight, which many you who is a name searcher on the Twitter dot com vary. Noted name searcher. This is my first. 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BGN Radio #43: Jordan Howard Emergency Show!

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BGN Radio #43: Jordan Howard Emergency Show!

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans. Just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ has got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. You're listening to BT and radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles are the test with John Stolnis in randomly gal? Hello, lean green nation and welcome back to BGN radio. This is episode number forty three. I'm John Stolnis from bleeding green nation dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at John Stolnis. We weren't expecting this. When we were getting ready for the podcast, but an emergency podcast the eagles acquire Jordan Howard from the Chicago Bears. And because we are the only eagles podcast in existence. We are here to break. It all down for you. Joining me to do that is the brains behind green green dot com may he forever reign Brandon league out, and you can follow him on Twitter at Brandon Beal g my friend. We have some news to talk about. And the eagles finally addressed the one position that they hadn't gotten around to doing anything about here in the off season. They got themselves running back zooming citing time John you'll finally got running back. There are so many things to dissect. With this trade and breakdown in which we will do here. But number one has to be the most important thing. I think we know now that after the trade for Jordan Howard that Howard Roseman does indeed listen to radio because why else would eagles make this rate on Thursday night, right before our regular recording time other than Harry Rosen wanted us to really break down this trade. He wanted to hear our reaction. There's no doubt about it. In my mind. I mean, obviously, you know, when you when you got two heavyweights like us, my friend. You gotta we gotta drop the knowledge, I'm just anyway, I'm just kidding. But no, you're right. Manny, this is this is great stuff. And this was obviously a huge area of need for the eagles. Here this offseason. They had to do something it running back played three years for the bears. They got him for just a sixth round pick Beal g that could turn into a fifth rounder. Are you surprised at the compensation level? I mean, a six round pick is nothing here. I'm not surprised in the sense that I think Jordan. Howard. Like, I don't think he should have had a lot of value. I mean, he's coming off a season where he averaged what three point seven yards per carry. He's on the last year of his deal. I don't see why he would have immense value, and he's running back those area that you'd in today's NFL. I don't really see how he would have tremendous value. But in the sense that you know, the eagles got in for the. Yes, I guess I am a little bit surprised in that sense. That this is all it took. I mean, it's not even a six this year. It's a six next year. And it's conditional on the condition. I'm sure there's a certain amount of rushing yards or game appearances some kind of condition. But I mean, look if the end up having to give up a fifth for Jordan Howard. That's a good thing. You know, that means you hit that condition in that'll be a good thing to have happened. It is surprising in the sense that you know. Yes. It did cost. Not this much at all for the eagles. They're able to fix their running back dish in a huge hole in the roster. Clearly, you know, that's just been a huge topic. This week the owners meetings, obviously fans on sports radio have been call. In we've been talking about it. It's just been such an obvious gaping hole in eagles roster and just last week unless weeks PGN radio episode talking about how actually how rosement usually goes through free agency any kind of fills these holes on the roster with like some kind of peace where you don't have to go into the draft having to reach for a position clearly and with running back. It wasn't looking like that before they made this move 'cause they just had nothing really on the roster like they had to do something in the draft. And now, I think they still will. But they don't have to anymore. They don't have to take drastic the twenty five to the Jordan Howard, and they can get by with that. And hopefully, they still do at running back. Yes. But like they don't have to something Ryan to force in. I just think that's the upside of the Jordan Howard trade a wrote down my pros and cons here. Do you want me to get to those jump? Yeah. Let's do it. Let's not come out. Okay. So I think you know, there's there's things like in. I think there's some things I don't like my first reaction like Mike guttural reaction before. But any. Thought her analysis until this was all he wasn't about it that was before. I saw the price exactly to be fair. I just saw that. I follow text messages and slack channel is like Jordan Howard. And I was like, okay. That's all right. Yeah. They needed to do something. And I'm glad they did that. But once I saw the cost. Okay. Philo bit better. So start out the pros. He's only twenty four. That's very good. He's young. He is clearly a productive volume player. And I think that's kind of important to note here because you can look at counting stats and people do that a lot especially in the NBA or the NFL whatever. And there's value in that in being volume player is clearly not anyone not just anyone can do that like dance Bowles. Can't you couldn't give him the work that Jordan is not gonna hold up? He's not gonna last even Darren sproles in his primates. Does not that kind of player. Now, there's volume there's value in that. But I also think like you have to be officiant too. So Jordan Howard. You know, he's having hit a tiny yards last year, but he only at three point seven yards per carry. So that's not as great another thing. I did like is he s created out. Well in pass protection by pro football, focus on have to go back to that closer myself. But just for now, I take that as a positive sign, obviously the Olsen you up. To get him. It's another pro he's relatively durable. Just kinda surprising, given his physical running style. But he's only missed one game in his past three seasons here in the NFL. So that's I think that's a good thing. I think when you look at this move from a compact perspective, obviously that you will didn't do anything to cost themselves a compact of the give a pick next year, which you know, kind of you have to factor that in. But yeah, you can get a Compaq for Jordan Howard. Now, if you don't resign him after the season if he has a good year, and you don't wanna pay him big money, which I think is very possible than all of a sudden another team signs him and you discussed a draft pick. That's potentially better than what the bears gave you. So there you go you're getting some euro to getting some kind of return potentially if he leaves? So that's a good thing to keep in mind. He's Tepe John. He's only two million in base salary this year. So you're not really eating into the cap space too much menu. Checking off all a Howie Roseman boxes here man Dey what young cheat? Cami. He's big he's to thirty. So I think this is John talked about wanting league Arab back last year. You wanted that that running back? This is him. This is like this is like the new lira blunt in this offense. He's big he's good in short yardage. That's something. I think that's honestly, one of the big one of the bigger selling points of the straight. Heels were terrible in short yardage last year when it came to at least running back production like Josh Adams was some kind of crazy bad numbers which was surprising on the surface because you look at Josh Adams in you're like, wow. That guys big you should be able to punch forward in get you a first down on fourth shirt third in short. But he couldn't in seven carries on third or fourth down in one or two last year. Josh Adams had negative eight yards in no I down. So he was horrible. And that that comes from Jimmy Campsie. So you bring in Jordan Howard. And all of a sudden you have someone who is more effective in short yardage because as David era. Noted he has twenty one of thirty one conversions on third and fourth of two or fewer yards in eighteen. So it's a seventy four percent convert rate for perspective as Elliot converted seventy six. So if you wanna put that mine. Yes. So I just got someone who can help you out in short yardage. You got someone who checks the boxes and all the categories. You mentioned those are all the positives of the trade in my mind yen. And that's pretty good. I mean, and there's some other numbers that you could run out there too. He did score nine touchdowns this year. Even though it was three point seven yards per carry average nine touchdowns the year before that Howard is only one of two running backs with nine or more rushing touchdowns in each of the last two seasons. Todd Gurley is the only other one on his eighteen rushing touchdown since two thousand seventeen tied for third most in the NFL behind girly and Alvin Kamara also that Howard was only one of four NFL running backs with two thousand or more rushing yards since two thousand seventeen along with girly, Elliott and Kareem. Hunt. So you you're right. Some of these counting numbers as you're talking about really you can really talk up Jordan Howard. But as you mentioned, we've kind of seen, and I imagine you're going to talk about this as some of the negatives were kind of seeing downward trend from his rookie season where he he rushed. He did rush for thirteen hundred thirteen yards in his in his rookie year five point two yards per attempt average out to eleven hundred twenty two yards and a four point one average two thousand seventeen and last year nine thirty five with three point seven. And I thought it was an interesting question. I this just pop through on my timeline. Patrick. Finley is the Chicago Bears beat writer for the Chicago Sun-Times. The esta fair question about Jordan Howard. How does he not fit in the bears offensive scheme, but would fit in the scheme of Doug Peterson? I mean Peterson and Nagy run mostly the same stuff. So that's kind of a fair question as we're looking here at Jordan Howard. We see a guy who who's who's year by your totals is kind of been going in the wrong direction. And they couldn't find a place. For him in an offensive scheme. That is very similar to what the eagles are gonna run. I guess one of the key differences. I would look at there is the fact that I don't know exactly you know, how how the bears run their running game. Specifically. I don't follow them that closely enough to know that if that's more of Nagy's thing or or what? But with eagles specifically ingest outland offensive line. Coach is also the run game coordinator and do Staley obviously has a big role with the running backs as well. So you Staley by the way was working out Jordan Howard leading up to the two thousand sixteen NFL draft. So I don't think this is just about Joe Douglas connection because Howard was drafted by the bears. When Douglas was insecure go, I do think that's relevant. But I also think this could be a guy that deuce really like. So this might be a guy that you'll have more of a plan for in the sense that, you know, this was a guy that, you know, yet Douglas wanted to draft and that do still he was showing interest in he wasn't a guy that was so much in that current regime as much I mean, I guess pace was there too. But still like, you know, Nagy wasn't there. That's not a guy who. Who was you know, Howard wasn't drafted when Nagy was there. So you know, that's not necessarily his exact fit or his exact vision of a guy. And look, you know, we talked about it earlier on this off season about how Howard county got phased out little bit because they wanted to get Coenen there in utilize him more. So clearly wasn't exactly what they wanted in Chicago. You can went to some of those things that we concern. I think again, the the declining efficiency concerns me to go down to three point seven last year. I don't love that they will seemingly stopped him pretty easily in the playoffs. You know wasn't land. Some thirty five right now. Like, you know, the hardest. Gotta stop there is not much of a receiver. He's seventy two career receptions for only five hundred sixty yards which is seven point nine average in one touchdown. He is somewhat of a fumbling. A shoe I guess not like a super bad one. He has five almost three seasons. But, you know, keep in mind is eight hundred fifty total touches. So there's been a lot of touches there. And. Another thing is you still need to draft a running back like this doesn't solve everything. Yeah. It addresses the position in improves it. But like I still feel like you still have to add a running back in the draft. Because you just first of all because Howard's only on a one year deal in there's a very decent chance that he's not gonna be here beyond this year. So you still need to think about the future of that position somewhat. Just think like what you have behind him still isn't like super inspiring amazing, and you still want to add someone ideally with some better third down back skills. I know people went Corey Clement to be that guy. And I would love for core climate to be that guy. But I still think you want to hedge your bet on that in a vest a little bit more in that position in try to upgrade it somewhat more because I just think receiving so important in today's game in the fact that Howard doesn't really bring that as much he he's not really so much a pass game contributor. That's the part. I guess that doesn't make me as crazy about this deal. Like if he was. Be over the moon. But that's kind of why that kind of puts me, I guess like a minor or be plus for this trade instead of a Ernie. Plus, well, that's one of the things that makes me think that Josh Jacobs could still be a target at twenty five because that is one of the things that he did. Well in college was was catch the ball out of the backfield. And it also is reason that the deals might not be done adding to the backfield because unless you're going to bring Darren sproles back. I don't know that you can count on Corey Clement to be your your main pass catching back out of the backfield. They're really they really don't have anybody on the roster that you can depend on to do that Wendell smallwoods not that guy, Josh Allens. Not that guy. I mean. Yeah, Josh Adams, isn't that guy? I think you you've you've got to maybe make, you know, still make a trade you still make a trade for somebody like Duke Johnson or something like that. But you know, eventually, you know, some of these draft pick trades even though they're lower draft picks. You know, you don't want to trade all those away. So, you know, I wonder if. Trading for Jordan Howard means that they probably wouldn't trade for Duke Johnson. I realize like you said this is a draft pick for next year not coming out of this year's draft. So I guess they could they could you know, pillage something from this year's draft. If they wanted to as well, but I still think for me Josh Jacobs is a target at twenty five. I I love the idea of bringing in. I know Brandon I not brand I know Jordan Howard, his is a younger player. But like you said he's on the last year of his deal this next year. I I'm still looking at Josh Jacobs at number twenty five g interesting, and apparently the eagles are two or hearing rumors that they liked him. I talked last week about how Jeff Moster said that that's a guy. They really like. And I think most sure even said tonight that you kind of double down on that. He wouldn't rule them out still drafting running back in that'd be nice to see again because you still need that you need. This isn't gonna be Jordan Howard running back one getting twenty five series a game. That's just not what this is going to be. It's not like at least if you look at the. History of Doug Peterson system here. They're going to rotate these running backs, and I just feel like that Jordan Howard's kind of gonna be not just in similar in Moldova player. But also kind of the workload that got like Lear was your number one quote unquote, running back in two thousand seventeen oftentimes he would get the bulk of carries in a game. But he's not getting like twenty touches or twenty plus carries every game. He might be like fifteen in the mix in the other guys there. So yeah, I still think there's a need again. I am still going to be very surprised if you'll take first-round running back considering they haven't done it in forever. And they're such an analytically driven team that I just feel like it is hard to believe until I see it. But just the fact that that Josh Jacobs are player like him brings that passing game value. A definitely think that's something years went to add because you don't you don't just look at him at him. You also look at levian bell. Who clearly again, they didn't acquire. But they were rumored to be interested in him and do. Johnson. And you know, maybe they will take a look at Spencer where still who knows? But you know, those kind of guys are those pass catching backs we can help you in the passing game. And I just feel like they kind of want that guy for Carson to have as a nice check down guy. You know, who can you can just check down to rely on being able to contribute in that area. Whereas you'll just have not had that that's kind of stability kind of pass catching back reliably who is a proven player, you know, other than Corey Clement doing so a little bit in two thousand seventeen and then having Darren sproles when you did. But I still think that that's something they still need to kind of address here. And that's again, why the Howard trade doesn't like just make me feel like oh everything's fixed. But you do have to be cited. Right. Like you look at. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's it's an upgrade bail GM needs. It assures us we're not going into the season with windows Smallwood, Josh Adams as the number one running back, which is what we were looking. We were staring down the denial of that, you know, Erbil heart will. Yeah, you it would have been horrible. It would have been horrible and they had to bring in some talent. Maybe Jordan Howard can get back to being he's not. He's not going to get enough carries to rush for thirteen hundred yards. Again. That's just not with this offense is going to do. So, but what you'd like to see is that yards per attempt number go up, and as I think about Josh Jacobson and taking a running back in the first round of the draft. You're right. It's not something they've done in a long long time. Like we mentioned last week on the podcast last time. They did it was Keith Byars in nineteen eighty six. So one of their second round picks is probably a more likely scenario. But I think also it's fair to mention that they that Howie Roseman probably would have drafted Christian McCaffrey in the first round if he could have. And I to me the skill set is similar with Chris McCaffrey as mostly a pass catching running back out of the backfield. So, you know, maybe there are certain exceptions that you make for. I mean, if this is a passing league, if you're getting a running back that you think can really create mismatches in the passing game for you. Now that you've gotten your runner taking. Care of. I mean, I guess the question here with us Beal as we've talked about wanting to have a runner that you can count on that you can feel good about as somebody who can take some pressure off of Carson Wentz. Do you see Jordan Howard meeting that definition not the end all be only not the just the definitive answer? No worries about it. I'm intrigued by. Yeah. Some of confidence in it. I mean, if you're offering this way look at the eagles offense right now taking off into line to studying the skill players play some fantasy football here with me for a second. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Quarterback. Carson wentz. Running back Jordan Howard wide receiver. Austin Jeffrey, Sean Jackson now smuggler and then tied in Zakar DHS. Dow Scott that's a pretty good group in three hundred get-go players there. And obviously, you know, you're gonna not gonna have all those three receivers out in the field. And the two tight ends at the same time. You're gonna mix that up between eleven personnel toll personnel, but still have options there, and that's not even counting for. Some of the young guys step forward as nice role players like MAC, Holland's or shopping Gibson, her Braxton, Miller, whatever whatever have you there and even some of the other running backs, you know, maybe Corey Clement does come back in have a great third year after showing promises rookie like that's just, you know, sticking with some of the starters in the main players there right now. So Istres question, John. I don't feel like amazing over the moon. But I feel like fine. Now, I feel like okay. This is fine. Like, I'm not gonna be harping on this as opposed to heels did nothing like it'd be harming on it nonstop. Now. I got you. And that's that's totally fair. And I'm excited about it too. I mean when we were talking about Jordan Howard that was not when we were comparing him to the list of other running backs that were available Mark Ingram. Kevin Coleman all those different guys. Obviously, I think you and I both would have preferred one of those two players just because of the talent they bring in in the snow rest another end the speed. Yeah. Join Howard's like a speed guy. And he goes don't have like that speed running back. I think that's something. They're still missing no doubt about it. But it's a good deal for a sixth round pick, and which could turn into a fifth round pick. You're not going to draft a player as good as Jordan Howard with that pick. So you might as well, what might as well make that swap and how he rose men even just a couple of days after saying that they felt good about the running backs that they have you can never trust anything that comes out of anybody's mouth in the front office of any sport. You just can't you can't trust anybody. But Howie Roseman did what everybody's been asking him to do. And he got a running back, and we'll see if if they're done they still think they might not be done up next. We're gonna get into some of the latest draft. Rumors and talk about some some comments made by Roseman and Laurie and Doug Peterson this week when they were down at the NFL owners meetings. That's all up next right here on radio, get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best places. Stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built. For fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered by cutting through the noise of hot takes them fake debates to get smart analysis, and helpful highlights for your fantasy teams and beyond checkout. CBS sports HQ. It's always on an always free. No need to pay subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV to start watching today. And we're back on radio. So P L G. Let's get into some of these draft. Rumors as we are getting closer and closer to the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. And we found out the eagles are gonna welcome Eddie Oliver in for a visit, obviously, it's a big name not many people think that he can fall to number twenty five where the eagles are picking which raises the question. What do you think the chances are that the eagles are thinking about moving up in the first round? They could do it because they have to second round picks this year. Do you think they tried to move up from number twenty five I wouldn't rule it out? You know, how I residents done in the past. I think when you look at the history of trading up, you know, there's been some good acquisitions there when they've gotten aggressive. I mean, look no further than last year, and it was in the first round. But still in not the traded down to where they tried to back up. Get Dallas Qatar traded up to get Brandon Gramley they've made some good additions when they've been aggressive and they've traded up. I kind of feel like just we'll touch on this a little later about what Jeffrey Larry was saying about. That you will want to they believe in volume in terms of drafting, which I think is smart strategy because I think when you look at the kind of the broad picture of the NFL draft. There's not a lot. I think that separates teams in terms of good drafting and whatnot. Like, I think there's a big element of luck. Like that's proven to be there. That's not to say. Some teams are are not better than drafting than others. I think that's you know, there's some variance there. But I'm just saying like the thing we don't like to admit in sports general is that there's luck involved, and you know, the way to kind of counter that luck is to have a lot of graphics and make a lot of pigs in hope kinda get lucky in some of. So that's kind of in general the best strategy in. That's why you see teams trade down smart teams in obviously the patriots do that a lot. But at the same time, I feel like if there is value there, and if you feel like really so really really strongly about a player in look looking at a lot of the eagles mock draft scenarios like I do there's. A lot of where you get to twenty five. And you just don't feel really any good like about what's left is everything inspiring. There's nothing inspiring in that spot. Is there there isn't? And then that's when you end up like with these mock drafts that have you'll taking a cornerback. It's like why I what are we doing here? This isn't this isn't realistic. It's not going to happen. But at the same time, look like, okay. Maybe I almost can't blame them. Because what else? What else are they supposed to take care of this not like a lot of great option? So if Oliver falls in I think, there's some merit to that as been selected as discussed on the and select show because Oliver's a smaller guy, there's a precedent for players like that fallen you Donald followed a little her fell a little further than expected. You look at Gino Atkins fell in the draft. There's a historical precedent of those guys, you know, not being super highly valued by the NFL when think about it at Oliver used to be talked about number one overall pick any is clearly not in that same discussion. Now, he's worth like a guy that could fall into the teens in there are some mock draft scenario. Goes out there that haven't fallen to the eagles in the in the at twenty five which is crazy. I don't think he does fall there when you look at his athletic testing numbers in Houston at the pro day today, the he he ran like in the storm. Good forty our time in a story. Good like three time like at Oliver's ridiculous ridiculous. Yeah. There's some concerns about his college production thirteen and a half sacks in three years. But you look as tackles for loss numbers nearly fifty three. He's still a very clear he's a very disruptive player. Even if the sack numbers aren't always there. So and just thinking about the trio of Cox leak Jackson and Oliver. I mean, oh my gosh. That's so much interior disruption. Like I liked that. So, you know, if the opportunity is there in the cost is within reason, I think that you'll should be aggressive. I don't think you're trading up to like thirteen from him or for him from twenty five to thirteen something like that seems too much like if you're trading up to maybe like nineteen okay? Maybe that's within striking ranger or twenty. I think it's interesting. And I think it's something they're going to entertain. I mean, clearly the bringing him in he's on the radar. No doubt about it. And that would certainly be you're right as I've looked over the mock drafts, it just none of the names pop out at you. And it seems as though yeah, you're taking best available. But I guess if you're in. That kind of a situation where you're at number twenty five there could be a temptation to drop back. Maybe to you know. I mean, I if you're if you're not really bowled over by any of your choices. And who knows what the the eagles think about the players will fall to them. I guess you could also make an argument then it that they would they could drop back a little bit. And maybe maybe pick up another second round and another, you know, third day pick or something like that by by moving back in the first round or moving into the second getting yourself three second round picks. Although I don't know they didn't have a first round pick last year. Beal g my guess is they probably want to stay in the first round. Right. I think they do. And I think as much as they talked about wanting volume, I think there has to be some kind of fit for them, hopefully there in the first one and just selfishly just because it's kinda boring when the trade out of night one we need a first round pick, especially when you there. Happened to last year. At least, you know, the good news is we are ready for that. And at the same time, they got a good pick in this year's draft. So you kinda hang your hat on that. But yeah, it's kinda boring. He you wait there the whole night. And it's like out they traded out. I remember that happened with that's part of what made me so furious about Kevin Kabwe back in the day. It's like I was waiting all this time for us to finally make their first round pick. And then they trade back in its with the Cowboys in like great. And then I wait all the time. But he was the draft. Kevin frigging Cobb, not not a fan of the trade back just from a fan perspective leaving Z out of it. Yeah. You're a second. But yeah, I I just feel like hopefully, you know, that opportunity to be aggressive just might be there. I think if they trade up as it is going to be at Oliver or Christian Wilkins. I think those are the kind of guys that would be that trade up in maybe it'll make a couple couple spots. Maybe move from twenty five to twenty one in that, you know, where you get your guide and by the. Way on this topic. Did you see that? Brian Baldinger tweeted what he tweeted out this week, John? Yes. That was going to ask me. Yes. He was like, basically what Bali said here is that the colts in eagles are seemingly possibly targeting the same player. And I think when you look at who that player could be I think it might be an at all or maybe more realistically a Christian. Look, it's because the colts also have a need there on the interior defensive line. I think that's a little interesting and the bad news. Eagles colts have more Jap name. Oh than they do. So they want him jump up. They could be the ones who get it. And I think the fact that bodyman Frank Reich in Doug Peterson for cracking. Doug peterson. Oh, man. Oh, man. When friends become enemies, buddy. Andy hate to see it hate to see it. I think that Baldy he put that out there. Like that kind of makes me think that the trade up thing is kind of on the radar little bit. All right fair enough. And let's just quickly. I'm gonna write about this for bleeding green nation here. Hopefully, odds something up on Friday a about it. But just kind of. Taking look at the last three drafts at how he Roseman has had because really be LG. I if you look any any further earlier than the two thousand sixteen draft he was heavily influenced by chip Kelly than before that Andy Reid was obviously handling a lot of those drafts in conjunction with with Roseman. But this has been Roseman and Joe Douglas here these last three years, and so let's just kind of take a look back at some of these some of these dress real quicken, and you can get great or just give your your general thoughts two thousand sixteen first round pick Carson Wentz. I mean, we all love that pick. That's obviously something that's fantastic. They did not have a second round pick that year Isaac say a Malu was there pick in the third round Wendell Smallwood and Hala Pula vita were their fifth round picks in the six round. They took Blake Countess a cornerback. And in the seventh round in two thousand sixteen they got Jalen mills along with Alex McAllister and Joe Walker as I'm looking back on two thousand sixteen that seems like a pretty damn good draft be LG. I mean, obviously Carson Wentz is the maker break. Factor there. But outside of that has he kind of almost have to also valuated outside of that some aloe is at least eight capable starter in third round. Like, I think he needs your expectations of third. Yes. Yeah. Steel, it's not under performance. It's just exactly probably what you on average. Like, he's like the average there pick against any. He's been productive. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely going forward. You know, he signed to decent contract so central to be a solid good starter for the guard and may be mentally center. He's where stole as well in. We got the rest of that draft. I mean big v is a pretty good for fifth round pick. Obviously a Super Bowl starting left tackle, you'll take that not a good enough player to become a long-term starter might Pinon. But I think he at least has role as a solid swing tackle entail. Mills is a very up and down player. But he is a player that has the e belongs in the NFL and for seventh round pick like that's. Pretty solid the two thousand seventeen draft. This is still very much up in the air and an injuries have really been a big part of why this draft has fallen flat. Derek Barnett taken in the first round. Again. Just you think there's a lot of talent there. But we just haven't been able to see him enough on the field especially losing him early last year Sidney Jones in the second round again that was seen as a guy that had first round talent. But was dealing with a was an achilles injury. Right. That he suffered during a pro day, workout and still has not been able to stay on the field. Russell Douglas in the third round MAC Collins and Donell pump free in the fourth round Shelton Gibson Nathan Gary in the fifth round and Elijah Qualls in the sixth round. This was not this was not his finest draft here. Beal, gee, there's some issues there. I think Dirk when it's going to be pretty good. I know bend of like I. I. Yeah. I was concerned about that. At the time. Not just I like some jobs before he got hurt. But just the injury made me really skeptical. I just wasn't sure, you know, if he was ever going to be the same player in the maybe stays healthy, he can still recover. He's only twenty two like he still has a lot of career head of him. But it's far he's been to hurt in his just you don't know what to expect result. I feel like resul can be at least a good backup quarterback on the outside in maybe starter. Donald Humphrey is disastrous pick obviously as we've talked about and traded up for him. Just not even NFL player. That's the that's what bothers me about that so much not like you got bad draft. Picks are going to happen. You're gonna get a guy and you're gonna play him. And he's going to be like average or is gonna stink. Like when the smaller, you know, like that's not a great draft pick. But like at least he kinda belongs in the league a little bit done a puffy can't even play at all. That's just a disaster. Then you got MAC Collins. We don't know exactly what he is yet quality. Obviously didn't turn out to be anything. Gary looks like just probably a backup or special teamer. Yeah. It's not son. Awesome looking class there. Derek Burnett kinda has the burdens on him. I guess really. It's step to save that trap. Yeah. It's on him. All right. And then last year the only had five picks last year. Dallas Scott it in the second round of auntie Maddox in the fourth round two really good players last year that we're a big part of that team. Josh sweat was also taken in the fourth round. I think we heard how he Roseman talk about him a little bit. And like the talent that he has met prior in the sixth round and Jordan my Lada in the seventh round, obviously, it's not fair to judge draft just one year just one year out, but the early returns on Godart and Maddox at least are have been very good. Very very good. And I think it's they're they're off to a good start. Anyway, I mean, the the three guys and Josh sweat in Matt prior in Jordan, my Latta who we don't really know what they are yet. I mean, there's some upside there there's potential both sweat in my ladder. Only. Twenty one years old sweat being Zell mental defensive end. Hopefully can see something out of him this year moving forward. And then my Lada, obviously, just being a total wild card. No idea what he's going to be that could be a home run. Like that could be not just a home run that could be a Reese Hoskins grand slam as he did today, which is very awesome. And I love that a lot of quick tangent. Don't disrespect my man reached. You cannot just intentionally walk. The guy ahead of him and expecting to not cross that on the part come on. What are you serious rate spirits seriously? Yes. No, very very destroyed. Stupid too stupid joined my lot could be that Reese Hoskins grand slam that like he could be that big of a move or it could be you know, nothing like he can out of the league as soon as this year, potentially. If he it just a disaster in training camp this year like you'll keep him. I mean, maybe maybe they hold on and still feel like there's enough there. But I'm just saying like, it's not a total locked like he needs the he needs to show them some kind of progress or upside or potential like you you just don't hold onto him forever. If he's showing nothing. So I disagree clear. I don't think that's the likely outcome. I'm just saying, I don't know. I think it's obvious. I think it's in the realm of possibility. So so we don't know. But I think the kind of take away from all these drafts as a whole, I guess, it kind of goes back to what Larry was saying in that like they're not foolish enough to I think the exact mine he used with something about like, not being cocky enough to think that they're going to be able to out draft everyone like they're not gonna be the masters of knowing who to draft and they're gonna Jeff better than the entirely, they don't they don't think they're that smart enough. They don't think that the way drafting works and the way luck can have a factor that they can just rely on that to be better than everyone. But what they can rely on is getting a bunch of draft picks and you'll have about twentieth or so Jeff bakes in one fewer now with stern Howard trade to restock some of their their court here in the next couple of years so going forward and looking at this body where of what we have from Harry rosement enjoy Douglas in these past couple of years. I think you see enough where? Or you can feel optimistic in have an have some hope and some upside I think you can also see some pitfalls you can look at like, you know, you can look at the Humphrey pick in the process behind that. And not feel awesome about that. So and then the Sidney Jones thing you can feel like okay, they took a risk on injury. But maybe that wasn't the best strategy which there is concerns about taking an injured player that we had written up at bleeding donation before the drafted Sidney Jones. So there's you know, there's some risk reward. There's some good strategy. We've seen some bad strategy. I think overall, you know, you feel like there's some of confidence about you know, what they can do with these. Traffic's moving forward. But I also think you know, there's some reason for reservation as well out next. We're gonna talk about Carson Wentz. And whether or not the team is getting ready to pay the man pay that man his money. We'll see if that's going to be something to team does maybe here this offseason before the season starts next year. Also, give you some other notes from some of the news conferences that were held by Jeff Lori and Doug Peterson. And how he Roseman this week at the NFL owners meetings. That's up next right here on ESPN radio. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted MMA finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The enemy our each Monday. We speak with the top athletes of enemy from world. Champions two rising stars. We also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back on radio. So one of the big things this off season. Beal g that hasn't really come to fruition yet. But could still come to fruition is paying the quarterback? And I know that there are still some people out there who don't think that Carson Wentz has anything to prove in two thousand nineteen. I disagree Peterson. Doug Peterson is one of those guys. And I disagree with the coach. I think that there is a little something for Carson Wentz to prove this year. But it's mostly just his being able to stay healthy. I I still think the talent is incredible. Even last year when he was clearly playing hurt that he had a pretty good season all things considered without a running game and without a deep threat and without a defense that was really able to support him for much of the season. And we've talked about all of that you, and I have and I know you, and I are both still on the winds wagon. I'm still fully on the winds wagon and at the news conference that how he Roseman had with the media this week at the owners meetings. You mentioned a couple times how they they wanna have money set aside to pay Carson Wentz. Do you get the impression that the team is interested in signing him sooner rather than later? I haven't heard anything. So this is just conjecture and speculation on my part Beck elation. Yeah. But I think the team does especially when you look at their messaging this week. And now, you know, it always you said it earlier in the show, John like, it doesn't always necessarily matter. What they say look at what they do. And you we already saw what they did in. That is hang on to Carson Wentz in let Nick foles go. So you know, clearly they hard committed to him as their long-term quarterback. Like that decision already been made. So with that in mind, I really don't see the need to wait for like you're committed him. So you should want to sign him to a contract extension as soon as possible. Because if you're waiting prices only gonna go up like why are you waiting just to see another year if he gets hurt like so what if he gets hurt he's not your franchise quarterback anymore than what are you gonna do? You know, what was your replacement plan here? I don't think they really have one with their timeline. I don't think they give up on Carson Wentz. Just because if he gets hurt again this year, I just don't I don't think that's the case. I think the eagles want to extend him. I think the reluctance for an extension. Comes from Carson Wentz. Because you know, he's not he can he can think of everything I just said, and he could say, and he's you know, he can get these offers from the eagles, and they're probably trying to get him to accept. He's probably like, no, I don't wanna take the steel because I feel like I can maximize my value by having a better season in two thousand nineteen and I think that's where they're at. I think you'll probably want to get him signed. I'm sure they've approached him. I'm sure they've brought him numbers that Carson feels like he can do better. And at that point there's risk in reward on Carson Zan if he takes the deal, it could be a good move for him in the sense that he has been hurt in. It's instant security, and he doesn't have to worry about, you know, having a two thousand nineteen season where he's playing for a contract, and he gets hurt. Again. You know, things don't turn out the way he wants. So there's there's some incentive for him to do it. Now, it's just like that guaranteed safe option that you know, there's also incentive to wait in that. You can have a really good through nineteen. Season. He knows just as well as we do that when he had a full offseason to prepare for the two thousand seventeen season. He was amazing. And maybe he thinks he can do that again. And I think he can do that again. I think especially we're talking about this offense of skill group. Those players they have I mean, I'm sure he feels like he can have another big year this year. So I think use are fully committed to him. You saw how Roseman Doug Peterson? Jeffrey, Larry all emphatically verbally expressed that, and I think that that's the direction they want to go. The one thing I do want to say about Carson, John on something that you said in the sense of he doesn't need to prove himself. I saw a lot of people reacting to that. It's been kind of like a sports radio topic. How Doug Peterson possibly say that? But I think the thing about that is that's not necessarily true. Like, he didn't necessarily fully say that. I mean, he he quite literally said that in an answer. But I'm saying something else he said when he was talking about Carson Wentz and his need to be more accessible and more like genuine. I guess for out that wasn't the where it has more assessable as a teammate. I think that's right. There is what he's saying. He needs to do that like that's clearly kind of somewhat of criticism there a constructive criticism. I would say because Doug said he feels like Carson has Inam. It's not like something. He's saying go, I really need to see. I haven't seen it. But I think that's something that we've been talking about. And I don't may have been talking about the talking about how we've been talking about this a law season John where Carson Wentz needs to mature. And I think Doug a really really good answer about that. And obviously you can read that answer in full booting condition dot com. Listen to it in the. At the podium episode that might just put up on the leading nation podcast feed here. But basically, you know in short he said that like he needs to just think mature as as a player in person off the field. And I think that's exactly what needs to happen. I think Carson needs to find a way to kind of take what he's gone through in terms of the adversity hadn't dislike Nick foles did. And I think something that when we've been talking about this conversation before John kind of left out was that Nick foles when he left Philadelphia the first time when he was traded. I should say in two thousand fifteen I remember, Jeff McLean. Putting on a story about how the eagles felt that one of the issues with Nick foles was that he didn't have confidence like e could get down on himself. And that was something they were worried about it doesn't that sound crazy? Now, the doesn't that sound that the guy who won the Super Bowl is extremely confident employs had issues with that. Oh, so you're telling me that someone can get better that kind of thing over the course of the career as they mature so level. Linkin grow. Yeah. Maybe not condemn Carson Wentz. In like talk about him like he can never improve on something like that. Maybe he won't. I'm not saying it's a guarantee I'm not saying everyone does. But I'm saying like we have evidence that people can grow like that. And I think that's what we do need to see from Carson Wentz this year and not for nothing, but the eagles sit with just under twenty three and a half billion dollars cap space right now that's twelfth most in the NFL and they're probably done adding big ticket items. Now, they're gonna have to pay some of the draft picks, and they're going to probably have to make a couple of other payments here along the way if they trade for somebody like ado Johnson or sinus Spencer ware, which I don't I I don't know that I see those two things happening anymore that could impact the salary cap space. But they do have some of the space Beal G, and you wonder if that's kind of what they're setting it aside for so we'll just wait and see. But I do think that cap number is interesting now they have after after coming into the offseason trying to move around money to to get themselves cap space. They have. It and there's just not a lot to spend it on at this point now that most of the big free agents, and the big trade targets are kind of out of the way some other notes from the presser you mentioned Doug talking about Carson Wentz. He also talked about wanting to be more aggressive in two thousand nineteen. We remember how aggressive he wasn't two thousand seventeen and you and I talked about it on the podcast last last year that it doesn't it didn't seem as though Peterson early in the season. Especially was was doing some of the things that we would have expected him to do based on what we saw in the postseason and the Super Bowl and even during the regular season when they they went for it on fourth short more than any other team in the NFL and getting Jordan Howard. We'll help with that a little bit. Yes. The. Part of it. Hopefully, yes, but yeah, I like that. I just think that's a good. That's encouraging to see that kind of reflection from Doug in the honesty in you know, being critical of himself insane. Yeah. I need to get better. It doesn't something. I imagined. We would see at of two Kelly just for example. So I was I really liked that. I hope he follows through with that again, he can say that. And then if he doesn't do it. Okay. Then doesn't matter. It's meaningless I need to see the action that need to see him follow through on that unquote promise, I guess to be more aggressive. So hopefully, we do see that this year. I mean, I would like to see him getting back to that another thing in that same vein of something he's talked about. But also to see him follow through on. It is this idea of getting more twelve personnel involved in the offense this year, and I kind of have been thinking about that a little bit, and I feel it's one of those things that kinda gets talked about in the offseason might not actually happen, unfortunately because those things can happen every year. Year. But I guess one kind of thing that would support the idea that it could get used more is that, you know, the eagles didn't have a full offseason to prepare for the fact that they were going to get Dallas got her. You know, what I mean like, they didn't know they adopt. I you're right. So now that they do, and they know that they do need to run to all personnel in. They actually have the the players to do. So I would hope that they can really get together this off season the entire coaching staff of Peterson in really design more of an offense. That features those two guys those two tight ends. They're still going to be a lot of eleven personnel. Make no mistake. I mean, you're paying Nelson angler nine point four million to be your slot receiver, and you quired Sean Jackson already paying off on Jeffrey like number one wide receiver. Those guys aren't going away that you're not going to suddenly be running right? Twelve personnel based offense like seventy percent of the snap. It's just not happening. But you know, we do need to see more twelve. So I kind of I guess the theme there from those two. Things is that I'm glad Doug has kind of pointed out some of those shortcomings. I really do. Hope we see some follow through on that the season. Couple of things that Jeff Lurie said to as we wrap up the podcast here. He talked about his love of Doug's resiliency in. And we saw that on full display in two thousand seven seventeen in two thousand eighteen and a lot of the credit for that resiliency for this this football team picking themselves up off the mat when any number of other teams would have given up on the season that happened. When Carson Wentz went out in two thousand seventeen and when Carson Wentz went out again in two thousand eighteen but specifically when they lost that overtime game to the Cowboys. And it looked like the season was over onic bowls came in and helped resurrect the team's playoff chances and they actually end to the playoffs and won a playoff game. And you know, a lot of that is on done to keeping keeping the team interested keeping the team playing hard at is also one of the things we talked about last year after that Cowboys game. I know we specifically talked about at least wanting to see the team play hard and play out the string by maybe getting a couple of wins here. And there we didn't expect them to go to the post. Season. But this seems to be a hallmark of Doug Peterson that when the chips are down they believe in him enough to play hard and to continue playing for him in the last couple of seasons. It's resulted in a world championship and a playoff berth with another playoff victory. Even going back to two thousand sixteen to is first year. Really when things are looking at here will after that Cincinnati loss where they got blown out. And I felt like personally I felt like Doug Peterson might need to be fired. If the team on him for the rest of the season like if they showed no signs of fight for those final games there. They had I was like, you know, they might have to fire this guy because of the players aren't gonna play for him. That's a big concern to me, and they did the exact opposite. They they went out. And they lost a Washington. I think it was a close game it came down to the wire. And then they you know, they won the there's another close game against the ravens there where they you know, they had a chance to they went for two. Obviously as we all remember, and they didn't get it could have won that. And then they beat the giants. Who were you know, they think? Went like eleven five year that a good season. And then they beat the Cowboys. For arresting the starters the week seventeen still finished the season on a high note and just feel like that's kind of been a theme under Doug Peterson. He looks at it in that year. You look at to the Super Bowl you look at it last year. I mean last year again and the Super Bowl win obviously helped with it. But it was like the one of the most one of the least devastating ends to season ever for the eagles because. Yeah, the future not just because of Carson Wentz and stuff because Doug because Doug, you feel like even if things go wrong during the season, and guess what they are for most of the times at some point one or another to different extents, even the patriots. The patriots have moments where things go wrong for them in a given season. They might have a really bad loss at some point. Or you know, like the Miami miracle there might be some bad things that go on and you know for the patriots. It's never really concerned for them. They're always able to dig themselves out of the whole end for the eagles. It's. Not quite the same. But I just feel like that kind of resilience that Jeffrey Larry's talking about. I think that really exists. I think that's been a big theme for this team, and you have to give credit to the players to the leadership in the locker room. It's not just all Doug. But I think ultimately, I know it reflects very well on Doug Peterson. And it's just a reason to feel confident about him. I think when you talk about head coaches him Kennedy vague in nebulous, some of the stuff we assign credit blamed for at times because it's just it's not a woman show, and even as we're crediting with him with this. It's not just all him. But I think one of the things you can definitely point to in. That's like a calling card for him. And it's something Larry specifically talked about when things were going bad for the chiefs. I guess it was a couple years ago. They had like a big losing streak and Andy Reid said to Jeffrey Larry that was one of the most stable guys that whole time. Like, he he never he never waver like, you know, things are going bad, but he came to work, you know, in he had the same attitude. He stayed. A steady you didn't get to down. And that's why they ultimately felt like they're a part of why they ultimately able to come back is because I didn't get to down. They still believed in themselves, and we just saw that again in this most recent eagles season where the heels go to New Orleans. They get their butts kicked forty eight seven or whatever it was point. And they fight. They come back hard. They fight. And that's exactly what you wanna see this team. So I think that's something that is very encouraging about piercing going forward. In a big reason why you can't count him out because when his back against this wall when his back is against the wall on the teams back is against the wall. They're gonna find a way to respond. It's just great to see a locker room with a lot of leaders. Like, you mentioned it wasn't just there was there's a lot of good leadership in that locker room. But you know, I think Doug brings that out and people and people believe he's genuine, you know, there's a lot of Cogez likely saw chip Kelly in this city that you're not sure if this guy's really got your back or not I. Doug Peterson is genuine. He seems like a a a regular guy. I mean, he's not the guy who should have gotten this job to begin with. You know what I mean? And I think he still carries that around with him a little bit. He was the one of the last choices for this team. You know, they wanted Adam gays. I, you know, it's it's and I think maybe there's there's still a little bit of that in Doug Peterson that he feels lucky to have the job, and he's a world chant now, which I mean, you'd think that would go to a set, but it doesn't seem to and that's that's what's really incredible about him. And I agree with you. That's why that's why it's it's you feel good about this team moving forward. When when you the head coach is just it's so important in the NFL and football to have to have a head coach team can get behind and follow and not for nothing else. But Doug Peterson also is a fantastic play caller and play designer, and you know, can can flat out coach other legendary coaches on any given Sunday to and he knows how to get the best out of players. And so at the pretty damn good combination to have, and it's pretty clear Jeffrey Laurie love. Loves him some Doug Peterson. We also got a little bit more of an explanation from Lori about his proposal that would force the Cowboys and lions to play some Thursday night road games. Bill G explained that basically the reason that he pulled it was at it didn't have support. But he seems he seems happy that people are at least talking about it. Because like we talked about last week on the podcast. I had no idea. The Cowboys weren't playing Thursday night road games. And now now people are aware about it. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's it's a competitive disadvantage for the eagles. And he even said that point blank. I think Howard asking Howard Eskin was like do you think this is a disadvantage like the fact that you know, all the other teams NFC's don't get this in point blankly Jeffrey Larry was like, yes, I do. And it is I talked about it last week where the Cowboys have played zero road games on on Thursday nights on like a short week. So several days. Rest never ever end. Look it's going to remain this way in the future at this rate. Like, it's never gonna change. So right now in that same span USA played five games on Thursday night on on the road on short rest and that five zero. I mean, that's like overtime. I disliked the adds up in a couple of years. It can be ten zero. It's it's ridiculous. There's no good reason for that to happen. There's nothing like the Cowboys can still play on thanksgiving Jeffrey Larry's not trying to take that away is to sing can't they play away some years just to kind of make it. So that they have to also have to deal with this kind of disadvantage or one of the what he feels like one of the bigger disadvantages in the league. And I think it was interesting John that we were kind of talking about last week. The why did that you'll withdraw this proposal? And I think it's true that they didn't have a ton of support for it. And I think that it's worth putting through it was still worth bringing up in the first place because at least now you're kind of creating this conversation, and you're kind of give. People the chance to be like wait that actually isn't fair. And there is good reason behind this. And hopefully over time they can kind of find a way to rectify that. Yeah. At the same time, I think Mike four actually two good theory about this believe it or not where he said that he feels like part of the reason the eagles put it out there, drew it is. So they're not like the bad guy. You know what I mean? So like, they withdrew its ultimately it's passed it's not on them. But they got the idea. So kinda wouldn't reflect so poorly on them as much as like the idea has now been put out there. And now, hopefully, others will kind of helpfully run with it. And eventually it'll get past that won't just like just the eagles who were trying to do it as much as like, everyone jumping on it. So I think that's kind of interesting theory to put out there. Yeah. Hopefully does get fixed in the future because it's just there's no good reason for it. I mean, even if it's a small advantage like even if that's what you to argue. And it's kind of like some people have said to me, it's kinda like petty your inconsequential which. Disagree with. But okay. Let's say you're right. It doesn't need to exist. At all. Like, why does it exist? It doesn't matter if it's small advantage. It shouldn't there shouldn't be any. There's no good reason for any kind of advantage that is fair to exist. There's no reason for it. So hopefully, the league in fix it. Jerry Jones, reacted to the thing. And he was like he thinks it's good for the league actually that the Cowboys play on thanksgiving every year, of course, naturally evenings on team having an unfair advantage is good for him. Of course. But I would hope the other NFL owners of all other thirty teams because by the way, the need what twenty four I think they need to thirds of the owners the twenty four. Yeah. That's right. Yes. So okay. So let's say Detroit in Dallas, don't even pass it. That's fine. Hopefully, they can get enough support. Elsewhere in the future to get that fixed because that should be the goal like we want competitive balance we want things to be a level playing field. It's not about you know, giving the eagles at advantage by changing this rule. It's just about like, hey, everything should be kind of equal. Or the same for everyone last thing here Beal g and this is something that gets eagles fans pretty fired up. Jeffrey Loria said that they want to return to the Kelly green estrin, it's in two thousand twenty four their jerseys. And listen, I have a take. Oh, I haven't take on the Celtics. We didn't have on the table. So it doesn't count. All right here. Hang on hang on hang. Did. You hear that? I did. I have a take the Kelly. Green jerseys are fine. They really are they're fine. But frankly, the better jerseys are the ones from the early eighties at Joe war ski and all those guys were that had the darker green with the gray. I love the darker green gray combination with the with the old school helmets. That had the it wasn't quite a Kelly green. It was a little bit of a darker green wasn't midnight green. But had the gray the gray. The the great eagles in wings in the helmet. I think those, and frankly, you know, what d did you ever notice that in Super Bowl fifty to the eagles road green? Uniform seemed a little less midnight. Green and a little bit more regular green. Maybe it was the lighting in minute. In minneapolis. I want people to take a look at that next year. I mean next year, we'll take a look at that. When when they can lead till next year, wait till next year two thousand twenty that's when you're allowed to look. It's I want people to do it. And it must have been the lighting in the dome. Put the the green look different. And I really liked it. I really liked that color green. I'm not a big fan of midnight green. But I think people go way overboard on the Kelly green. There's a reason they got rid of it. And it just I I think it's fine. It's not bad. I don't think it's ugly. So it's I'm not throwing a fire take at anybody here. But you know, I don't I and I'm a big uniform guy. I love uniforms, I love colors. I love the Philly's powder blue uniforms that they play with now, I think those are fantastic. But I'm just not I'm not big on the Kelly Greenville G. It's not it's not it's not my end all be all the teller. You're talking about with jaws and like dick for meal and all that. And it's almost like jets uniform. Really, honestly, it's kinda like it looks like their colors a little bit. Or at least it's close a little bit. Closer bet. More gray. I like the gray was a little old school. I I love that. Yeah. I actually green a lot man like. The eagles stuff that I do own. Honestly like it is like Kelly green hat Kelly. Green hats, I league Kelly. Green sweater. That is a combo circus. Arrived sweater like I just like that color more. It just pops leads more bright. It's fun like midnight. Green to me is just boring. They can stole midnight. Green me is vaguely with that. It's very much a staple of the time. It came out which is like what early two thousands of early two thousand zero. Whereas like, yeah. This is the future. This is cool. This is modern. But then like it didn't age. Well, just kind of like. Like Lincoln financial field a little bit like built in the same time. Like it was cutting ED's for a very short amount of time. But I feel like the modernise of it didn't like aid super, well, he didn't last Dinelli lasting modernist to it. And I I just I'm not a big fan. I don't love it. I think it's been upgraded since they switched to like those Nike jerseys. Whatever it was a couple of seasons ago. It looks a little better than it used to the current midnight green. But it's just not my favorite thing 'em. They're not going to change the main uniform at least there's been no indication of that. So, you know, we don't even have to worry about that so much, but the the more realistic thing is the alternates I've seen some people by the way say like Alday say this every year in that's not my impression at least that wasn't might take away of what Larry said like the fact that he put twenty twenty out there to me seems like that actually is some kind of hopeful deadline for them to actually have it, and they would wear Kelly green jerseys twice a year instead of the. Black simulates all-black who had like, I think like you gotta get rid of the all black the blacks. I don't even hate it. But I hate the black. I don't hate it personally. But like I'm final never having it again. And I'd rather have green alternates over this thing, it'd be fun especially like primetime game. Like Monday night football in her wearing lake bright green single cool under the lights at night. I just think it's a cool. Look, it's more fun to me. I like you allow so I know people don't like it or whatever they don't feel strongly. I like it a lot. I it's it's I don't care as much about it. It's if it's an alternate. You know, what I mean two times a year, and it would be better than the black anything's better than the back. I hate the black uniforms 'cause I again, I was kinda like a that was kind of like a mid nineties late nineties thing when when Pat Croce came in and and turn the Sixers uniform to into all blackened, you know, that was like when black was the thing. You know what I mean? And you're right. It was like it was the late nineties when they changed to midnight green. I think it was actually ninety six was the first year was Ray Rhodes as first year first year with the eagles and ninety five Ricky Watters first year, they were still wearing the Kelly green. And then in ninety six they switched over to the midnight green. So that's that's about the timeframe. We're talking about here. And you're right. It hasn't aged. It hasn't aged all that. Well, so I guess you're turning me a little bit on the Kelly. Green. I I don't know. I I think he will go a little with. It is fun. I get you. I get you amid every every every sports team in the city should wear the same color because that's what would that be? So what would it be? If they all were in with it who. I don't know. I guess I mean, the Sixers and Phillies kind of have similar color schemes. But fires are completely unique. And the eagles are completely unique. I take that back. I wouldn't wanna for all four teams to be wearing the same colors. That's the orange and black is is very very unique to the flyers. It is. And the, you know, the eagle green just you know, when they pulled out those blue and yellow Jersey's a few years ago. Like, the throwbacks those things were terrible. And so I think we'd just so used to Eagleton green. It's just a matter of we gotta find the right shape. Jay, that's that's what it all comes down to any final thoughts before we wrap up episode forty-three, my friend awkward thing Antonio Brown. Simply interested in playing of Carson Wentz. I like that future hall. Yeah. The video there's a yeah. Receiver there. I think that said more about the Tonio Brown's interests, by the way in the US or Jerusalem houses, I should say that the eagles interest in him, actually, like some people are taking that story to me like all Euler super interested in him. And I mean, it did seem to have some kinda interested in. But I think I almost think to Rosenhaus was more interested in getting into new Brown to the eagles than necessarily the were acquiring him. So that was a little interesting thing. But ultimately, obviously, it's done. Now. He's the raiders and Phillies man, the Phillies are back. It's awesome. Love it. Opening and brow. Was so exciting. The mccutchen leadoff home run the Michael Franko hit home run. And then just Reese, the Reese thing again already said earlier. But I was just like man this is so disrespectful. How are you gonna walk rice harbor dislike to get to reach Hoskins to be like, oh, yeah. We're gonna get resell. Like, no, you're not he's gonna hit a grand slam. So love res love Phillies. Glad they're back. It's so much fun. It's a femi- great. Like, you know, this is a football podcast. But and I know not everyone loves all for Philly sports scenes. But if you do love the and you do love the Philly's or even if you don't have the Phillies, but like if thinking about me get into it just do it. Just try it because I think baseball is a nice complement to football in the sense of does not as much. I mean, obviously, you'll for Jordan Howard. So there's some stuff going on in the draft. There's things going on the off season the gonna be dead times like yesterday on Wednesday. There wasn't a lot going on. And there's gonna be some dead periods. And when you have in the summer like in July when there's going to be nothing going on there's going to be dead time. So when you're looking to fill some of that time in turn the Phillies on it'll be nice in help you get quicker to the football season. You'll be kind of small you'll be sided than football. Back then you're set. So I'm glad baseball's back. It's fun, go fails, Amen, buddy. I was it was pretty exciting. 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Miami Dolphins (Phinsider Radio) Miamis running backs look to provide thunder and lightning in 2020

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Miami Dolphins (Phinsider Radio) Miamis running backs look to provide thunder and lightning in 2020

"Every Wednesday on fish drive join me Eric Oseberg full report on the Miami. MARLINS singly affiliate. The Clinton Lumber Kings on eight ball with Eric owes. We sit down each week. With the different prospect, that is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players, trends and performances of Miami's Midwest League affiliate. LISTEN TO ABE law with Eric goes every Wednesday on fish rights. Everyone welcome to another episode of inside a radio. The Jake and Josh Show I. Am Josh House and I'm joined once again. By my side, Kick Jake Mental Jake How's it going today meant I'm good Josh I'm good. You know it's. It's an interesting timely kind of sneaks up on you. Because obviously it's hot out by obviously I. Don't think our Florida listeners are going to be able to you. Know really sympathize with us with how what I'm about to say, but we're finally at that part of the summer where you swept by. By sitting there and that's really really sneaks up on you where all of a sudden your face is dripping and really that tells you that hopefully football is on its way you know I, know that everything stopped in the air. It's looking like we're going to have no preseason games and things like that, but you know as other. Get ready to play I. Think I'm hopeful. Is Anyone if the NBA play? Play as I think there's zero shot. There is no football, but but it's starting to get that feeling football, and there and and I hope we can come through on it in a couple of months. Before. We get any further into the show, please. If you're listening to this, subscribe to our podcast at five star rating. Follow us both on twitter at House H.. O.. U. T. Z. and Jake. Is J Mendel E.? N. D. E. L. Ninety Four. Follow him on twitter. Give him lots of follows, but you're right man I mean. I don't think people in Florida can sit here and. And listen to this just laughing, but you have to get the mail and you know you come in in your sweating a little bit about ninety degrees I think this whole week. It's been ninety degrees here in Pennsylvania, so it's definitely sneaking up on you and like you said no one truly knows what's going to happen this season. You know you see the NFL PA in the. They're kind of going back and forth I just saw John James. Own instagram he kinda gave out this heartfelt thing about you know. We got to protect our families. The owners you guys are just sitting back from a distance. You know they want to know what's going on, so I think there's a long road before we do eventually see football, but hopefully it is on the horizon. Because as we saw last week, we had lost to say about the wide receivers today. We're GONNA. Touch on the running back. So I think we just dive right into that and let's get started talking about running backs. I completely agree with you, and and to kind of get an idea of of the the landscape of the running backs. The Miami Dolphins currently have I think we have to start with one simple simple question here. Does Ryan Fitzpatrick lead the team in rushing again next year. Yes or no. I'm going to say no. I really hope not I mean. That was an outstanding job I him, and I think we talk about it time and time again, dolphins, a thirty second ranked run offensive line in football, the guy two hundred forty three yards. Four touchdowns broke Bo Jackson's. More he at some point throughout the year surpassed Bo Jackson rushed rushing touchdowns for his career so. It wasn't anomaly. It's not something that we should expect, but you know Ryan Fitzpatrick loves to do that. I mean and one other quarterbacks would slide Ryan. Fitzpatrick was truck's sticking over defender. So I WANNA say no, you know maybe in Ryan Fitzpatrick said he's thinking. You know still lead the team in rushing and crazier things have happened. Yeah and I you know nobody's GonNa to call him. You know a running quarterback by any means but He had three hundred and four rushing yards in two, thousand, eight and two hundred and sixty nine in two, thousand ten, and not only was I think I was more surprised by the fact that you know. This wasn't his career high in rushing than I was the fact he actually led the team in rushing Because when you look at those other than numbers, you kind of get the idea and you look at his runs. It is really kind of trying to make something at enough. And to like. You don't have to be running quarterback. Run at that the running back episode, but these carries are important to put into concept of of how. Much! The dolphins struggled last year in the running game, but ranch untouchables able to do is something. We kind of begged Ryan Tannehill the do for years, and that's just kind of. If a playboy extended us, run away. We thought the end of the wide receiver. He has speed. That's be something he'd be able to do, but we never really saw that. You know when pressured company tried to throw it into a tight window. To Jarvis Landry where you know. He just ran for five years before anybody was even near him. Whether you slid or whether you know, he tries to go for those extra few yards, but it was really interesting to see Fitz Patrick. Go about it that way. The dolphins we mentioned it last week. we're the second highest percentage team, the NFL throwing the ball, sixty six percent of the time ravens were the lowest throwing the ball, forty four percent of the time and they were. Tested for the ball forty percent of the time. If so correct, I'm sorry I, I'm going back and forth between the run pass option here. And the only team that was that ran the ball. More than fifty percent of the time was the ravens, so we can't really use them for an to figure an idea of how much the dolphins plan to run the ball in two thousand twenty, because like we said in the wide receiver show the dolphins were playing by so far behind so much last year I mean they weren't. Weren't GonNa able to run the ball much, and even when they did you know a Kaelin Balaj Kerry for one yard even hurts more than an incomplete pass, so that's something to keep in mind here, but the average quote, unquote split between the past, and the run is basically sixty forty. You pass the ball sixty percent of the time you run the ball forty percent of the time. So let's six percent of the Miami Dolphins on offense. The snaps, give or take again. This is over estimates when you're thinking about things about like fantasy. And just overall production, these are things that Kinda WanNa keep in the back of your mind because in order to produce new that opportunity. So the dolphins had roughly a hundred eleven hundred offense to snap slap based on, unless that's like a rough estimate to So, that would equal about sixty to seventy more rushing attempts in twenty, twenty, compared two thousand Nineteen and just to kind of finish up the two thousand nine hundred blurb. Had the most attempts last season with seventy four, and averaged one point eight yards a carry. Lee had eleven yards per game you can see here. How enthusiastic I am saying that Patrick Leonard Average two point seven yards per carry on sixty two attempts despite the fantasy community really really falling in love with him, and then mark and Kenyan drake to people who ended up not finishing the season with the dolphins very very very very different reasons We're not gonNA. Get too much into that I mean obviously Kenyan drake the starter in Arizona now, but they could buy for one hundred times that average three point eight yards per carry. it is hard to get a pecking order of what the Miami Dolphins did, but did seem like and and you know we used to book camps where we'd sit there and read about We don't think Kaylin barrages that you know we don't know how well he can accelerate in the next level, and that's Kinda. Really come into fruition, the season or or Al last season? Excuse me, but it seems the dolphins wanted to do fifty percent of Sam with their quote, unquote starter, whether that was Balaj before that it was getting drake for a little bit mark while and had the time, and then the number two guy about thirty five percent of the snaps or so and then there'd be that you know. Third String Guy Scat back or whatever it may be. I'll getting about eight percent of the snaps. This will likely to change as someone. really takes reins of that running game. I think someone could look at seventy eighty percent, and then he given we and I think that's why this is so interesting. Because the dolphins signed Jordan Howard to your. They sign map traded for Matt. Brita but you know these are. Are Two guys and we're GONNA. Mention Thunder and lightning later, but thunder and lightning don't always hit at the same time. You know there's obviously going you know the the liberal definition. There's a couple of seconds to a couple minutes between the two, but this could be a couple of weeks between these these to really get going, so Josh I've been talking a lot. Tell me a little bit about Jordan Howard. Okay, in the first thing I did while you were talking and it kind of made me realize Chan Gailey last time he was a offense coordinator. Two Thousand Sixteen with the New Jersey. Sorry new. York jets I I've wrote about New Jersey earlier in a tweet I got that a little bit mixed up there, so the New York jets and Matt Forte and below Powell. Those two guys kind of have a similar skill. Set when you think about it to. To a Jordan Howard and Matt Breeding Jordan Howard kind of guy that likes to run people over map, Rita's more of that scam back the likes to make plays an open field and and uses speed I think he was clocked the fastest player in two thousand nineteen, at maybe was at twenty five miles per hour or something like that, whatever was this? An explosive player continues to remind me of a Reggie Bush when the dolphins made that trade. Jordan? Howard I mean this is a guy that I mean surprisingly enough is only twenty five years old as you say here. Third Moguls rushing since he entered the league in two thousand sixteen average four point, four yards per carry last season, five, hundred twenty, five rushing yards at ten games at seven touchdowns again. This is probably going to be the thunder to breed as lightning. Look at what the Jet State and Matt Forte in Thirteen Games in two thousand, sixteen at two hundred and eighteen carries eight hundred thirteen yards and seven touchdowns so to me. I think Jordan Howard is probably going to be that guy that you know they. They bring it on first and second down and. The neighboring breed in passing situations and at the goal line. It's probably going to be Jordan Howard, but the biggest thing to me is. We don't know how this is going to shape up. I mean these guys have yet to get out there and you know I'm sure they've been dived into the playbook via zoom meetings and all these things, but until they get out there until they they go out there and take these reps I. Mean What we've learned from Brian Floors coach team that it is a competition and the. The best players going to be out there and like you said it's going to be a fluid situation. Maybe one week they game, plan and Matt. Rita's getting a bulk of those carries the next week. It's Jordan Howard. I mean no one truly knows the way this running back room is going to be set up but I. Think it's a pretty good guest that we can assume that Jordan Howard two year deal. Ten million dollars brought him in. You know we heard the rumblings. They wanted to Melvin Gordon. We heard the that. That, they might draft a running back. They did neither of those they brought in Jordan. Howard again twenty five years old guy that seems like he's been the link for fifty seven years guy who has been under the radar, but he can carry that workload and we saw in Chicago. We saw a little bit in Philadelphia before he got hurt. He beat out Mile Sanders and I think you as a fantasy football guy. We both know mile. Sanders Height is unreal right now. The guys get drafted in the first round in some. Some leagues I mean mouth. Sanders is going to be one of the better backs in football over the next few years and Jordan Howard you know went out there and prove that he was that guy and Philadelphia so i. don't see any reason why it doesn't do that here. Miami but again. This is going to be a tandem. It's not just going to be one or the other, but I think Jordan Howard. It's going to be at early down. Guy And he's definitely GONNA get. Those carries at the goal line so. Again it's in the air, but Jordan Howard absolutely thunder. Now let's talk about the lightning map. Breda and we've got a credit. Joe Shadow the Palm Beach. Post he's the one who kinda hinted at the thunder and lightning approach, but he also did mention to. You mentioned the Chan Gailey offense as someone who likes to have three receivers, even for receivers, sometimes the field at the same time a lot of the time that means if you have the receivers out there you don't have the blockers and right and Jordan Howard I think is someone who You, know you mentioned Matt Forte I think Frank Gore's another one, and there's some kind of debate about how good frank, or was in Miami and I guess you know the reason why you kind of Lean Matt Brita compared to Jordan Howard is. Someone might average three yards per carry four yards per carry, but if it's too like one yard carries on, you squeeze out an eight. Eight yard carry all the sudden. You're going to be feeling a lot of puns. Obviously you know. Hey, they're having four yards a carry. That's a first down every three players. That's the first time with necessarilly how it works, and not really like way should really think about football, so that's the concern in the Chan Gailey. Offense is Matt Breed. It looks like someone who's GonNa fit. Fit in lot faster a lot quicker. Someone who's going to be the beat defenders in compared to you know using blocks but I'm not trying to bash Howard here because I do think he will be fun guy in that Miami Dolphins Backfield, but the dolphins did trade a fifth round pick for Matt Brita and he was clocked the fastest runner an both last two seasons, but when talking. Talking about something like that being clocked as the fast runner. Yes, obviously, you need to be fast to get there, but in order to reach top speed, you need blacker than you need open field so whether that's missing assignments or something I mean Kaelin Balaj that run against the Vikings, people were talking about that. Threes and wikileaks had so much hype going into the twenty ninth season. Was Because that that seventy five yard run against the Vikings where they were talking about how fast he got it, and it was the fastest running over three years for the Miami Dolphins. Yada Yada Yada, but but as you saw that that doesn't really mean too much if you have the fastest run because. So many more things matter whether it's blocking schemes whether it's did seven guys. You don't miss their assignments and you just had a huge open lane to kind of take it to the house where in the NFL? Nobody's GONNA. Tell you again. It's not a track. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to sprint off the field, but what breed it really brings his that excitement you know. I really liked him. In terms of fantasy, the last couple of years I'm he made the most of a three man back in two thousand nineteen with six hundred twenty three yards in one hundred and twenty three rushing attempts those about five. Five yards per carry average, but if he's averaging five yards, why didn't they just run it over and over and get those towns exactly? However, he had just one receiving one rushing touchdown in two thousand eighteen. Do you like I'm arguing with myself here? Yawning I thought you were Yawny at first, that was a great. Twenty eighteen quote unquote was his breakout year as a sophomore at thirty carries I with thirty more carries compared to twenty, nine, thousand nine, so that's one hundred and fifty three for eight hundred and fourteen yards and three touchdowns. and to me, it kind of seems like breed. US Open Field Guy where you'll give it to Howard inside the twentieth, but. I saw a stat about Adam. Gates and It was Yuck. I. Don't know if you I don't know. This I'm sorry. This is horrible radio, but it was something along the lines of running backs had this many attempts inside the twenty and twenty nineteen of Adam Gates offense has had less than that amount of running back in temps inside the twenty, and in his last three years as a coach, so basically his senses. You don't run the ball inside the twenty inside the five whatever it may be because I think the twenty even skews it a little bit, but you know you have to wonder to. The dolphins. It kind of seemed like they use that offense quite a bit whether it's the bootleg Talbot Wilson things like that. You know you throw it up to. Throat up to Parker. You throw it up to Preston Williams doing early in the season. So when you say when I say breed the open field compared to Howard inside the twenty s that has to be a little concerning, because you think all, he's the goal line back. He's going to get all the carriers Yadda Yadda Yadda, but just since he's Goldline guy doesn't. Doesn't necessarily mean. Go go to them. And with the dolphins. The weather set up the core. I have a little bit of concern about drafting someone saying fantasy a Lake Jordan, Howard just because we don't know how. The Miami Dolphins are really going to operate inside the red zone, I get under the new offense, but you know like we just mentioned the Joe. Seems like Britos more likely to be the guy when there's three or four wide receivers out there and all of a sudden that quote, Unquote goal-line guy is a really. Finding his niche. Right and I? Think one of the biggest things that we have to look at. And I have a quote here from Bryant floors after the dolphins made that trade We all know. Jake Dobbins was one pick away. That's GONNA break my heart for many years, but this will floor said about Breda. This is a very explosive young running back with good vision that can create. Create a lot of big place, but he's also tough. He's also smart. He also has lobbed the qualities. We're looking for in our players. It wasn't exciting phone call and I can't wait to get him out there so i. mean on draft night. We know how great the running back room was. Are the prospects and we all thought the dolphins were going to draft guy whether. In the I for some reason, the Andrea Swift Jonathan Taylor list goes on and on. They didn't do that. They signed. You're on Howard Free Agency to year ten million dollar contract. That's I mean. That's a decent amount of money. For a twenty five year old running back especially in today's NFL, then they went out there and traded a fifth round pick for Matt Breed I think it was a great trade at the time. I still do and I think you're absolutely right I mean I. I keep comparing this to two thousand twelve Reggie Bush and he just seems like when you're watching the film. This is a clone of Reggie Bush. Was You know coming? Coming out of College Reggie, Bush was one of the most explosive, if not the most explosive player in college football history, and then when he went to the saints, you know he didn't quite make that impact that many expected then he got his opportunity when he came to Miami and he was Kinda that workhorse for a little bit, and he exceeded a thousand yards, rushing and I think that it goes back to let you know Chan. Gilliat looks for his running back room, and we talk about the jets. You can go back even further and talk about what he did when he was with the bills I believe they had fred. JAX NANCY CJ spillers. She was the same go ahead. Sorry, no, I was at those two for the Fred Jackson CJ spillover I mean that would ice creams, Jordan, Howard and Map Rita I if you really want to think about it that way. Yeah, and that's kind of what I was getting. I mean it's completely. CJ. Spill was kind of that same Reggie Bush type of impact player, and you see the same thing with Matt, Breda and to me. The biggest thing is we have to look at Berry. Jackson's article came out yesterday, and he said the dolphins have yet to sit down and really talk and extension with Brita, but they haven't with Radio Comic Melania. They haven't God while they're kind of waiting to see what the cap situations like. It deflates next year. I mean whatever could happen. This could be impacted by just what happens this season, but Matt Brita could be another long-term guy here I mean we got. We got Jordan Howard for two years locked up. Why can't map re to be that? Lightning for the next few years and I think it's GonNa come down to again. This certain situations you know Chang is offense to me is one that likes to spread out, and you mentioned earlier that you know. Those four wide receiver sets join. Howard can make that impact between the tackles, but who I mean I'm not a coach and. And neither of us are, but you sit there and you. You can play Madden, or you can look throughout the history of football. You know when you spread the and you have that running back. That can make defenders missing the open field, and then just use a speed. You know to get to the edge or to to explode up the middle. I mean I think Matt Breed is going to have that big impact. He's going to be that high upside player that dolphins desperately need so we can talk about Fred. Jackson CJ Speller. You know you can even talk about below Powell and whoever Matt Forte in with the jets, but I mean those are two very yearly similar comparisons. To what type of player is the dolphins get here and I think we all need to be excited. Because Bryant floors is excited, and it seemed like throughout the entire draft process. You know they always had this inner back pocket. You know you're playing a game of cards you know. Know you somehow pull out this this perfect hand out of your hat like you know you're sat sitting on the entire time. You're bluffing you, know they. They turned over the river there. You went all inner whatever it is I mean that's kind of what they did here with breed I think he's going to be the perfect player for this offense and I'm excited to see. See, the way it works out because again. This is the guy who didn't quite get those same touches in San Francisco that was a committee type thing and I. Don't know that it's going to be to that with the same extent. You know they're not gonNA. Give Patrick layer or miles, gaskins, or killing on some of these touches that map Howard. Won't because I mean I. I think those guys are GonNa. Go out there and show that fishing enough to ride those hot hands, and then you know you bring in Patrick Learn in passing situations. Maybe he's a Danny. woodhead. Talk About Patrick lawyer here in a second, but to me I like with the dolphins have with their running backs gotta be excited because it's much better than what we saw last year. And you know. I'm excited about these two I. Truly am outside of having a Zeke Elliott type running back on back there this this is kind of a best case scenario. You have two guys coming in I. I the Dolphins, but there are veterans and their cheap, and they're just they can fit the bill of the excitement of of you know Matt. Breda compare combined with the consistency of Jordan Howard I mean that is just something that opens really haven't had since Reggie Bush. Because you've been you know you think about back to the Kenyan drake. boomer bath bus, and I I don't know if that's necessarily all his fault, but that's kind of the way the offense and Lamar Miller was the same way. This really looks like offense. You can hand the guy the ball when you're up by seven and fourteen, whatever it may be late in a game you the ball to someone like Jordan Howard or you need one big breakway. What run by Matt to put the game from good? I think the dolphins really have a good plan in place for no matter what the situation is despite really having an opportunity to sit down and talk about it yet up. Some concerns though about writing quote, unquote the hot hand, and that brings us the Kaelin Balaj I get. There's a new offensive coordinator Chatham. She has gone, but this is I. Think I, you know I wrote here. We have to do this, but I think there's a conversation we have I don't think Balaj will make the team trying to come back from an injury with the amount of competition in this here he had one point eight yards per carry twenty, nine hundred, and just for ten first downs on seventy four tabs I use a fourth round pick in two thousand eighteen and he started six games for. For the dolphins and had more rushing attempts than anyone else, and that's really my concern is because you know there were so many warning signs that hey, maybe it's time to not have Balazs be the guy and we can make the argument, and how probably agree with you that you know just because you're? The starter doesn't mean you get the highest total staff because I think we did. See a fair share of Kenyan Drake when we've did see a fair share of Mark Walton for a little bit there, but you know those seventy four rushing attempts to lead the team is just really concerning the sense of. Brita has free strong runs, but Howard had fifteen in the average four point five carries, so we're just gonNA keep feeding Howard instead of really S- keeping that consistency of switching it up. I think that's my biggest concern with the Miami Dolphins running game adds a whole and I guess another huge concern is playing from behind, but I'm just trying not to think that the dolphins. Dolphins will lose another fifty nine to ten games river rest of my life, so I'm not even going to try to put that into perspective, but I think that's where my concern is, and maybe the coaching staff. Just maybe Balaj is a practice guy. Maybe he impresses so much practice field that it's going to be hard for fluorides and staff to really show him the door. Yeah and that's the thing I think that you and I both were not very high on Kalem Bellagio. You talked about our little book clubs that we did, and we were kind of ahead of the curve with Saint Keelan. Blog was not going to be very good running back, but he was drafted two thousand eighteen like you said so. We really only has two years under his belt I. Mean Eight. We can see here and talk. Talk about you know the inconsistency when coaching and what could come into effect there and really hinder his performance, but to me. The biggest thing was when he came out and said he knew he had nothing to prove, and I kinda soured on extreme I mean I I didn't really think the world of him before that, but once he said that I mean I from me the wrong way so I've kind of been extremely down. You're right. Who knows maybe goes out there and he does. What a guy his size should do i. don't know if you follow me on Instagram, but this looks like a frigging juggernaut. It looks like he should be bulldozing through people and you know all I can picture. My head is when the dolphins needed a yard, getting stopped running into his own. Own Offense Lineman you know they're. They're bringing the punting unit out so to me. He has a lot to prove and I. Think when you look at the roster. I. Mean Patrick layered talk about him. We're GONNA. Talk About Miles gasket and you know you can see her and make a case for Malcolm Perry because I think he's also says running back. Back I mean. Why would you keep Kayla Balaj when he got those guys? I just don't see that he has that same upside. At least from what we saw two seasons because besides that Ron. Against Minnesota Vikings I think it was a seventy five yarder. He's done absolutely nothing. He's amnesty yards, precarious career, and that that skewed by huge seventy five yard run I mean that's definitely concerning so a guy. His size one point eight yards per carry I mean I know. The offensive line was dreadful, but you talked about earlier. You know more Walton. Can you drink the both average December closer to four yards per carry? No, so I just don't know what can obliges. Issue is is young. And I think at some point you got at least give them one more chance, and without a preseason potentially and without training camp I mean. Is he going to get that? Other Chances I mean it's going to be interesting to see with any position, but with the running back group I mean. Jordan Howard Matt Rita. They solidify themselves. You think Malcolm Perry's also there and we can talk about Patrick learned a second so i. just don't think you're right when you put. I don't think he's going to make the team and. Maybe go somewhere else has success, but I just don't know that it's going to be here Miami. Yeah, I, mean. Fourth, round pick that kind of tells you enough where maybe another team will take training, camp, flyer or something like that if he is cut, I mean we're getting I at least I'm getting a little ahead of myself here all right, but then it goes back to the running back. The you know people love to say running mark doesn't so. Why would you pick up a Kalem Balaj when you can? Take a flyer on another guy so it. It'll be interesting to see for sure. There's no no doubt about it. and and I completely agree with nothing to prove really seemed like a you know when someone like Brian. Floor is saying you know you always have to compete for your starting job yet to be there fighting Nothing's you know. Given but earned Yada Yada and then just come out and say that when you're averaging one point, seven yards per carry, it's a little frustrating especially as a fan. Patrick layered. He became kind of a fantasy cult hero. Late in the season based on twitter feed, players started to really like him And I can kind of see why. He was pretty exciting. And you can tell obviously. Miami's offensive line struggled set skewed things, but he started four games and just average two point seven yards per carry but that looks so much better next to someone Kaelin Balaj so you have to wonder you know if if the fantasy had like. Hey, we're getting some sort of production and speak exciting about I. He looks like a bowling ball in the sense of he's really just GonNa put his head down and go and try. Try to get every yard. He can. However that doesn't mean he's going to you. Don't knock all the pins over. Some of the pins might even knock over him, but he's. He's a nice change of pace at a little flair. He's someone who can catch it. Offensive back sleeping, thinking they can just make like a basic tackle, and all of a sudden. He's GonNa do whatever he can to get out of. That's kind of sense. I got from him. I started four games after being a backup and special teams Guy More I on reception than I down runs again I think that Kinda goes towards Miami's offensive line, but he caught twenty three of thirty targets that came his way. I think he's a solid backup and a player I would hate to have on my team especially as third or fourth guy who can play on the special teams and make an impact on special teams. I think Patrick. Leonard Kinda just checks too many boxes for the dolphins to kind of ignore. Kind of one of those guys that got a behind the Patrick Leonard hype and I don't know if it was just because I. I wish I remember the staff. There was a time in college where I don't think. He dropped a pass in so many attempts, and it was unheard of number I. Really Wish I looked at up and figured out, but I mean Patrick layers guy that I make the comparison in a lot of people say oh, it's because you know he looks similar. Similar to Danny woodhead or a rex burkhead, but he just has that same mold. Dino is a guy like you said he's not going to go down with first contact there for a little bit, you know he was lining up on the outside. Creating mismatches them in man coverage against Linebacker, so I definitely think there's a role for him and I I love that you know he did become this fantasy. Call here I mean he's one of the few dolphin players. Follow me on twitter. Twitter and you know every now, and then we interact back and four, so it's really awesome, and I'm excited to see what he can do as at third that third guy in this room. You know this is the second year. He is nicknamed Ian. Turn a guy that many people didn't really expect much from, but he kinda worked, but off, and when he had those opportunities, he seemingly made the most of them, so I think that no Patrick. Leesburg chance of making this rousing. Rousing Keynote Balaj but I think a lot of that has to do with the skillset. He's a guy that can line up on the outside like I, said and create those mismatches just an overall. He reminds you of almost like a Christian McCaffrey light or something like that so i. don't know what we can expect. From Patrick Glared, given the touches but I do think that he's going to third gone the running back room, and all said and done I. Agree with you and I didn't write to too much about miles gaskin the former seven round pick. And as early as last week there whispers that you know he will be competing with Patrick Leonard and killing Balazs for that third, running back spot and gaskin. Equality Player and I. think that's Kinda. The perspective that needs that really rides with NFL. Running backs is in order to make it more than year to three years. You need to not be good. You need to give some some kinda off. Something that you really need to make a name for yourself. Because otherwise people are going to look for someone else who you know, it's all about your floor and ceiling. So Gaskin. He averaged three point seven yards, and Kerry was solid thirty six rushes for one hundred thirty three yards. He had a long Ah. Let me see here twenty seven yards. and. He caught seven receptions of targets that came as he was consistent, and he was all right. The only concern is there. It's an uphill battle for someone like miles gaskin to really make a name for himself in the London snap cow behind a second or third string, offensive line, and really you know that I deserve a spot. My ceiling hasn't been reached yet and I'm GONNA be able to make some big plays for this team. With gasket, and like you said, it was a very small sample size, he almost got to go back and see what he did in college, looking at it here as junior rushed for two, thousand, one, hundred, eighty two yards, and thirty five touchdowns, at Washington and then he followed that up his senior year with thousand. One thousand, five hundred sixty seven yards, twenty five touchdowns, so that sixty touchdowns in two season. So this is a guy that has all the you know attributes. You look for I mean. He has the success at the college level, and there's a speed back four point five, eight, forty at the combine smaller guy. You know five foot nine, but he's one of those guys that you just can't count out and I think a lot of fans. Kinda liked what they saw from him, and it'll be interesting. Seeing know how much that carries over I. Think we all remember that touchdown he had. Against Cincinnati Bengals when Ryan Fitzpatrick almost getting ready to fight the referee trying to get football back form. I mean it was awesome to see, but again this is the seventh round draft pick, so we'll see how if he can stick and if he does maybe a return, man maybe comes in and run some plays know. Patrick glares. Absence or you know maybe a similar style Takeda, and that's Kinda the running back that I see here's a guy that's you know. One of those scattered, and we're talking about seventh-round pickier perfect transition into Malcolm. Perry and he's a guy that a lot of dolphin fans. You know pretty high on just because of what he did in college, and I'm looking at it here. He has the record for most rushing yards season by quarterback in two thousand nineteen, he had two thousand and seventeen yards, rushing as a quarterback and I know that navy offense is a little bit different. But I mean the guy has the potential to be. No, I can't really putting. Words you know what we thought. How white might be know what bill parcells thought he could do with Pat White in that whole wildcat gimmick, but not compared to throw the football. You know he can lana in the slot and catch the football, and then he can run the football. It's a guy that I make the joke. Not Swiss army knife is a guy can do everything. This is a navy man, so he's a Swiss navy knife. That's kind of nickname. I made up got. Got, crapped on twitter, going to stand by that, so they know them. Perry makes a roster seventh round pick two, hundred, forty, six, overall I would imagine Malcolm. Perry makes the roster ahead of you know miles gaskin. Maybe even Patrick layered and Kalem Balaj but I don't know what his role is. He's listed as running backs WanNa, talk about like he's running back, but this is a player that offense excited for because he kinda got that. You know that video game highlight type to amend. I'm excited to see. The dolphins could do with him because I. They ran the wildcat last year with Keenum Balaj. You can't tell me it's not gonNA. Be a hell of a lot more successful with the guy like Malcolm Perry at the helm. I I liked the hype. And that's what you do it. The seventh round pick you take the risk you take your. Chances because they're so picks, but I'm not gonNA sit here and say I'm the as sold on him. The reason I might I might get some of this, but when I see someone doing three different things pretty well. It's because they can't do one thing extremely right. You know if he was so good at running the ball, he just a quarterback is so good at just catching the ball. He make a stop wide receiver. If so good running the ball, he'd be running back but but what we see. See. Here's someone who can do a bit of everything pretty well. He does have fumbling issues and I just wonder if any of those things that he can do pretty well can really translate to the football field I. Walked the chances I thaw him I. Think it's a super exciting pick. However, I'm not ready to be sold on it just yet. I think it is still an uphill battle and you know. I really think it's GonNa. Come down to any of these guys. What can what have you done for US lately? I think that's really how you're going to figure out. The difference between Balaj layered Gaskin Perry and I think it's going to showcase the most of whether it's consistency explosiveness, really ability to be there when his team needs him Malcolm Perry. You know he'd be. Be An ideal practice squad guy to if he doesn't make the roster, even mouse, gaskin can do that. You know with a wonky season coming up like it is you know injuries happened in football. Let alone you know if someone has to sit out for a couple of weeks. with any type of sickness. You bring up. Someone like gas can give them compare. Compare shop, however I think it's going to be hard to band blared the number three shop based on just consistency, but even for him to establish himself and go from the intern to the socio. It needs to be about consistency needs to be a. what else can you do for us? And for help Malcolm Perry I need to really see something on a professional field. Field before I can get excited about his town which again he is incredibly talented player. I mean we've been just said how miles gaskin had two thousand yards and was seventh round pick. You know there's a difference from going to the College Games, then NFL game and I'm very excited to see this I. Just don't know if I'm really sold on it just yet. Yeah I think that's kind of the way the summer months go, you know, get overly excited because we see these highlight reel of disguising college. And Guinea played for Navy, so how good was the competition? It was truly facing. We mentioned malls, Gaskins, and how great he looked in college. So you're absolutely right? We got temper expectations, but to me I just see a guy. I think they went after Kris Strangler. That was kind of that Tastes Hill Type Yana? The dolphins were very interested in him. So to me I think it's more about what I think. They might envision for a guy like Malcolm, Therrien, to me, just thinking. Thinking about this gimmick, you know we see some hill, you know. Why can't a Guy Malcolm? Perry a beat? The Dolphins Tastes Hill, and I think that's kind of fans. Get excited, but you're right in this uncertainty surrounded twenty twenty season. You know you made a great point. The practice squad that's probably going to be expanded. You know there's GonNa. Be More spots on there for teams to to dump. Some of these guys at you know are on the bubble, so maybe that's where Malcolm. Perry sticks to start. Maybe that's reminds gas goes I. Think you're right, I think we both agree Patrick, the number three running back in this. This in this room I think that he showed enough last year to at least earned the trust of the coaching staff, but again none of this is going to truly matter until they get out there and prove to Chan Gailey Peruta Brian floors. You know this is what I can do. This is what you can do for me lately and unfortunately, we don't know when that's going to happen. We don't know if they're going to get their opportunities in preseason because it sounds like the NFL, PA wants to do away preseason. I, think the I think the agreement was A. They're gonNA forty eight days to get acclimated before. Before the start of the NFL season, we don't even know when the returning not camp, so there's lots of uncertainty surrounding this season, but I think we can both say in conclusion with all of this. Is Dolphins running backs? Look a hell of a lot better this year than last year and even we'll get into the offensive line, but I think it all starts with the offensive line diagnose. We'll probably touch on that in the next episode but I'm excited for this running back room, and I think what the dolphins did you know given the circumstances that overpay for Melvin Gordon. They didn't trade up to get a J.. D. Andrea Swift as much as it pains me, but they went out there and got these players that have been productive in the NFL and they're both young. So you know if they do go out there and show okay, we are the guy that you know. This is the tandem in Miami for the next three to five years. They have enough wiggle room. They bring these guys in in. You know they can build something special here so. On paper. It looks a hell last season yet. The four is outstanding, compared to last season, and obviously I think what that the ceiling is higher to You gotTa love what the history books have said about Jordan Howard upset about to there is excitement there and you know it's important to keep in mind that anybody who makes that. NFL is incredibly talented. It's a solve a matter of being the you know the incredibly talented, incredibly talented. You know what I mean and it really seems like. Like. The dolphins have a couple of guys here. Who can who have that potential, but it's just going to be key. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch. And hopefully these guys get their opportunities and I think that would be. My biggest concern is really trying to figure out when to use the guy in the right situation. I think if the dolphins can do that, this is going to be a blast to watch these guys. Really you know. Run the ball. Even catch the ball, guess. Completely agree I'm excited to see what they can do this year Is there anything else you WANNA say about the running backs before we get going? I think I think that's just about it I. Think you know if I had to go down the list of if I had to go, you know just put these guys order I think it'd go Jordan Howard Matt Rita. Patrick layered miles gaskin kaelin blogs Malcolm Perry. I think I'd go in that order. I know the glad to be seen. A lot of things could change, but that'd probably be what I would do. I if you want to run down real quick to, and we'll get out of here that that sounds beautiful to me. I'll shake it up a little bit. We'll map. Out A line Ellen. So Finish Guy. Can you hear Jamie back? I'll change it up a little bit. I'll go MAPRA to Jordan. Howard. Team. Relax. I can always add this in later if you WanNa, just do the closing arguments. Add in my partly because she's okay, she's not a change it up a little bit. I think I'll go map Brita just be different Jordan Howard Patrick layered Malcolm. Perry Miles Gaskin Caitlyn Balaj ago. Go that order. I like it I like it. Thank you so much. Everyone for listening. The top, please hit us with that. Subscribe Button and give us a five star review. Leave a comment that help us also so much, and hopefully we'll figure out a way to reward you guys for doing that soon, but but again it helps so much. 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BGN Radio #77: Special Guest Kevin Harlan

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BGN Radio #77: Special Guest Kevin Harlan

"Hi this is jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in this off season. Season is my co host. Maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we were it to be confident only on the nation podcast network you're listening to b._t. And radio why would you listen to any other eagles with john stolnis orbis and brandon hello bleeding green nation and welcome back to b._g._n. Radio this is episode number seventy eighty seven. I'm john stolnis from leading green nation dot com you can follow me on twitter at john stolnis <hes>. This is a special podcast that we're doing here for today yeah because <hes> we don't have on the podcast. I had the opportunity to speak to one of my colleagues at westwood one. Many of you know that that's my full-time. Gig is working ed westwood one and of course westwood. One sports does most of the n._f._l. Contests including the playoff games and the super bowl and the voice that you probably most recognize nyanza in association with westwood. One sports is the great kevin harlan. They're the number one play by play guy for westwood one sports and the guy who has done all of the super bowl's basically from the last decade gate night a chance to talk to him about the upcoming two thousand nine hundred nine season so we'll get to that in just a minute and i'm going to have some philadelphia eagles over unders for you coming up in just a few minutes. It's as well but first. Let's get to the interview that i did with kevin harland. I was good enough to take about twenty minutes to to chat with me about <hes> the andrew luck stuff and what's going. Maybe coming up here for the two thousand nineteen season around the league and we talked a little philadelphia eagles stuff as well so check it out well. Kevin harlan is one of the country's most prolific play by play man on both on tv and the radio broadcasts n._f._l. And college basketball for c._b._s. Does play by play for the n._b._a. On t._n._t. And with the n._f._l. Season a little over a week away is gearing gearing up his duties as westwood one's lead announcer for monday night. Football also called nine street super bowls for westwood one second most in radio network history behind jack buck seventeen. That's right around the corner for you isn't a kevin feels like yeah you know i we all <hes> aimed toward the big game this year. It'll be in miami it really it's such a nice way to tie up what is a long but incredibly joyous right through the n._f._l. Schedule and i think all of us that are involved in broadcasting n._f._l. Games whether on radio or t._v. Enjoy every second of it and feel very privileged. Yeah i mean the and to do the super bowl. I imagine has to be surreal each and every year you get a chance to do it. You've you've done the last nine of them. Do you have a favorite super bowl or or one. That's more memorable than the others well. They're all great. They've all got some kind of special place in my memory feel incredibly honored to be in that seat with that headset on and just mentioned jack brock who i grew up listening to and i got so much respect for all the broadcasters that have broadcast super bowls whether on radio or television so is it is an incredible honor is big enough to really as you could have is football broadcaster but last couple is involved some very unique situations with the patriots hits in particular winning two of them coming back from a twenty eight three deficit in the second half to atlanta and winning that game in overtime and then the <hes> the great play by malcolm butler for the patriots to intercept any russell wilson pass at the goal line is the seahawks are moving in and the patriots it's and and just sneer that victory out of seattle's grasp and give it again to new england. You know what we're seeing. What the patriots there's something so historic probably the best ever head coach perhaps the best ever quarterback and so it makes it in an incredibly notable unique situation wonderfully compelling to watch them do it with such consistency every year but two of my biggest memories are those chew involving the same teams in quarterback and coach. I'm gonna ask you about the patriots a little bit more in just a second but as a as an eagles fan super bowl fifty to to your calls in that game were extremely memorable for for all of us who who root for root for philly and <hes> obviously i think you had the of all the people of all the calls. I heard that you hands hands down had the best call of the philly special. I mean i got imagine. That was a surreal moment. Calling netplay something. I play we don't we haven't really ever seen in the in the super bowl before well well you're right and it was full of creativity and trickery and miss <hes> misdirection at all the elements that can make an n._f._l. Place okay so enjoyable and with the stage so big and the light so bright you know for them to call that play at that time was very unique and and as a play by play guy in radio. You're always trying to connect the dots because you're thinking of your listener at all times right so when you think eight a. b. a._b._c.'s c._d. Then d. backed away again. You know you're thinking wow you know. Hopefully that came out okay and and and so as i recall my expression of you know what did we just see well. It was very organic and like like god. I hope i called that right. That's what i probably wanted to say but it was such a great play in so well can see you see you. Don't forget something like that for sure. Let's talk about the the season coming up here. Kevin evan and i think the story of the preseason so far is obviously the shocking retirement of andrew luck. I mean i was just sitting at home with my father was visiting visiting us and i couldn't believe it when that news came down where where were you when the luck news was breaking and what's your reaction to one of the more shocking retirements we've ever ever seen in the n._f._l. Well i was it was a saturday night and i was <hes> with some friends my wife and some friends on a boat in a <hes> very <hes> secluded cove on lake michigan and we were cooking dinner in the back of this boat and <hes> they had a t._v. veon <hes> and they were able to carry the florida miami game and of course at the bottom of the screen just happened to catch breaking news and and saw that and they go what surely that can't be right and then you know as you look at your phone. Now you see adam schefter breaking the report for seat for e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. and you're just you're just taking back by you know what that means and what it represents and truly one of the best five quarterbacks in pro football before his thirtieth birthday in saying he's finished. I mean it was just it was shocking and i can't recall anything that earth shattering in a long time time so that really took. I think everybody off guard. Yes especially for a quarterback we may i think neil lomax might be the closest comparison for a quarterback who hung it up early but i mean he had eh degenerative hip condition so that's quite a different thing than a guy who yes has been dealing with a lot of nagging injuries and i i thought it was interesting in in comparison to rob abg gronkowski held a news conference earlier this week where he was talking about a a cannabis oil company that he's working with the the part that i took away from that was he was asked about coming back to the patriots and he's surprisingly retired before the season wasn't as surprising obviously as luck but you know gronk was talking about the toll that the injuries have taken on on him that he just wasn't able to have any kind of quality of life and it seems like that's the story for luck as well and i i wonder your thoughts about whether or not this is kind of a dangerous time for the n._f._l. So as they've lost two of their biggest stars because it just hurt too much to play this game. What are your thoughts on where the n._f._l. Is right now with regard to these two retirements in what these guys are talking about and dealing with pain well. I applaud the n._f._l. For the way they have met this head on and tried to change the narrative the culture with injuries and diagnosis and safety. I mean everything the n._f._l. Does now from rules do equipment deals with safety now in any any sport. There are inherent issues whether you're playing tennis if you're competitive swimming or if you're playing college or pro football i mean there. Are it just that physical activity is going to spawn issues with your body and these are two guys who happened to get get the most out of their performance out of their athleticism at a very young age but their bodies were breaking down a lot of bodies. Don't write down aaron rodgers. Tom brady drew brees. I mean the names go on and on so for as many stories as we see like this in the most publicized sport in in our country there are other stories about guys that have taken necks of comeback is persevered and decided to continue playing so it seems like the stories that these two individuals have cast draw these gigantic headlines whereas we need to balance the story and say they they are just as many older players in a very aggressive sport that have decided that they are going to <hes> continue playing and are able to manage manage the pain and the injuries so as with every story. There are two sides but certainly this jarring for the n._f._l. To see two very very headline players call it quits at a at a young age. Now gronkowski is headed to the hall of fame and there's no doubt but with look i don't know that his his body of work wouldn't necessarily guarantee him a spot in can't and he knows that is he retires and gives up that as well as hundreds took millions of dollars perhaps that that could have come his way eddie played deep into his thirties like breeze and brady and rogers. Yeah you know you mentioned brady. The at the at the top and the new england patriots really is remarkable the fact that he is still going that he misses so little time and that he's still playing at the top of his game and i just wonder with gronk out out now out of the picture and and brady another year older at some point one would think on unless unless brady is a machine that at some point this run by the patriots is going to end. Do you think it could be this year that somebody's able to take down new england and and the dynasty starts to fold up the shop rally. Are we kinda. See that every year about them. Because how long can this go along right. I mean it's shocking and the consistency is unrivalled in pro football history. I mean we're just seeing something. That's never taken place so <hes> we say that every year but we're dealing with the the cleverest the most skilled the best head coach in pro football history who is manipulating the drafting process of the patriots their roster their schedule schedule in terms of how they prepare each and every week <hes> they lose great assistance. The attrition on his staff has been notable yet. They come back every every year with with more and that to me is the sign. Sometimes it's not getting to that peak and achieving that success excess. It's maintaining the level. Which is the most amazing i opening to me so i would never cut the patriots short. Brady may not have have the biggest hand their success but he is certainly in that first sentence of all their success others kind of stepped to the fore <hes> somebody nobody puts in a magical performance and you need that if you're gonna win a super bowl regardless of team but it usually ends up with brady having a pretty big hand and their success listen to me. That's historic. It's it's it's about as as wonderful as story that that any reporter could cover in this n._f._l. Who in the a._f._c. he is new england was to go down. Do you think has the best chance of taking them out. Where like you know kansas. City is obviously with mahomes the reigning m._v._p. <hes> very very explosive offense an improved by the people they've added i would say the steelers are constantly in that conversation and then there's always a dark horse whereas the team you don't expect and and who knows where that might come from but <hes> certainly the cold for in that conversation i think until luck decided to retire tire so it does open up the a._f._c. for sure but but i really think that <hes> <hes> there's going to be that team that we're not even mentioning right now. Aside from the headline teams like kansas city pittsburgh in the chargers there will step up and and certainly make a stab at over in the n._f._c. kevin. What am i big predictions for the years that i think the the rams take a big step backward. I think you know those teams that lose the super bowl. There tends to be that hangover effect the following year. It's remarkable the number of teams that lose the super bowl and either fail to make it back to the play offs or basically scraping and get a wildcard. I've got concerns about todd girlies health. I'm not sold on on jared goff do you do you see the rams as as the favorites in that conference to get back to the super bowl or or is there another team you think has a chance to knock them out of their place place. Well i do like the rams. I think they've got a innovative coach. <hes> thinks through these this is all these coaches do right yeah i just think he is kind of a different way of approaching camp and off season and personnel and relationships with his players and getting their minds right <hes> <hes> sean mcvay is a gifted young coach is much like bella. Check is any young coach in the n._f._l. Right now and and does things it's kind of outside the box and i think that that type of attitude with a team that i felt you know even last year had so much ahead of it certainly has gotta be you know and that final couple of weeks of the season i think with drew brees in new orleans again you're looking at a at a quarterback who has willed his team and franchise with a very innovative coach to to continually be in that conversation and then and then i think dallas i think dallas is about as strong as they've been in many years. I would dare say that. The cowboys may have as good a team right now evening in even without ezekiel elliott as they did back in the nineties when they were really champions or the n._f._l. I think the cowboys are incredibly incredibly strong and really a team to watch so why the a._f._c. I think there are many possibilities here. There's no shoe in each conference inference. I think it will be wide open even with these teams i've talked about. There's always that team that surprises and shocks. I really think we'll see that in both conferences inches this year your comments on the cowboys. They hurt me kevin as an eagles fan. Obviously you know we we have some disdain for that. Particular ball club club and you know i was gonna ask i i was wondering about you know with zeke elliot and the hold out playing out there and a lot of conversations dak prescott going to get his extension and there's amari cooper who is in the last year of his deal new traded a first round pick to get him. You know whether or not these contracts situations going on in dallas would affect their play on the field but judging by your comments just now. You don't seem to think that'll be the case. I don't think they know they're going to get paid. I think you know it's up to the cowboys obviously to work it out but there are there are too many dollars on the table to be ignored and if the reports are true that elliot will become the second highest paid running back back in the league at a position that is diminishing in value it seems although remains i believe baltra important in an offense and if if the act prescott can look perhaps not a hometown discount but can realize that his salary cannot paralyse that team what they can and do around him and if amari cooper knows that he has a new lease on life but being traded from the raiders to the cowboys if there'd be just a little semblance of logic and trust. I think they'd all find themselves. Well paid in a position to win with the most celebrated franchise and pro football so so i i i i would like to think that that they will come to some kind of an accord with all three of those young players realizing they're really on the the cusp of some great things. They've symbol the team. It's kind of in place <hes> they're ready to go. They just need to get some things dotted and crossed and i. I think it'll happen sooner than later. Actually those three kevin couple of quick things and then i'll let you go. I just wanted to ask you a couple of questions about the eagles before we before we finish up here and obviously all all of our eyes are on carson wentz. I think he's the key to this this team getting back to where it wants to get. Which is of course the super bowl. What do you think wentz needs to do here this season reason to get back to where he was. When i think everyone agrees he would have won the m._v._p. Award in two thousand seventeen had he not gotten hurt true and i just think he needs to who <hes> reclaim that same feel of his game. <hes> it is very obvious is it is with any a._c._l. Bologna that it takes more than a year there are the outliers like adrian peterson's but did he come back to early after eight nine months. You know people continually ask that question so i i would give whence kind of a pass on what happened last year and say that that this year he comes back the same quarterback he was when when they went to the super bowl and foles took over and let them do a championship <hes>. I i think the the money they're paying him the new contract extension. I think all that makes total sense. He has every box checked for what you want in a quarterback. I think that roseman is built around him. Well i believe in the a franchise i just think that there there are teams right now rams and cowboys in particular saints because the breeze and not not even putting green bay and that conversation chicago is a natural. They're going to cannibalize each other in the division. I i just i just i would put philly with with green n._b._a. In chicago chicago than the packers is a team that could really come up and make a statement but i just think a couple of things. We've got to kind of click their way a <hes> for that to happen i just i think they've got everything that we saw a couple of years ago. I just think the quarterback needs to find his game again and i really believe he will end. The best is ahead for the eagles. <hes> i love their coach. <hes> doug is as show many can call plays be innovative. Stay with the latest trends he can coach quarterbacks in roseman has shown that he can draft. He consigned guys off the street. He can put together a roster so i don't mean <hes> <hes> the mission of putting them at one of the top two or three teams is not by design. It's by feel at this time making change the narrative very quickly in that absolutely well listen kevin. I know you've got a busy schedule in front of you. You call the green bay packers preseason games as well and you've got a full slate of n._f._l. Action coming up on monday night football for westwood one this season in your terrific at what you do thank you so much for taking a couple of minutes to chat with me about the season which gets underway in just over a week. Appreciate your kind words always fun to visit. Thank you so much coach next. We're going to get into some of the eagles over unders from bet online dot com and see what we think. Eagles might be doing this year as far as win. Totals totals yardage all that kind of stuff. That's up next here on b._g._n. Radio football is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement of watching thing that first game like having a shot at a million dollars draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football is celebrating the start of the season with an extra special week one contest new users can sign up today and get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just by using code s._p. Nation here's what you do download the draftkings app use that code s._p. 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And radio so before we wrap up it's always interesting i think at the beginning of the year and look at some of the vegas oddsmakers over unders because vegas has a pretty good handle on on this kind of stuff they're not always right but they really know what they're doing when they set these over under a lot of them you really have to think about there not because you can talk yourself into one one or the other and so let's start off with carson wentz because i thought a couple of carson wentz is over unders. Were very interesting. They have his over under three thousand five hundred yards passing passing for the season now. Let's take this into context. E pass for three thousand seven hundred eighty two yards in his rookie season so in his only the full season that he played his rookie year. He went over thirty five hundred yards. He had three thousand two hundred ninety six yards so he fell about two hundred yards short in two thousand seventeen seventeen but he missed the last three games of that season so last year he also came a little bit short but again he only played and i think it was eleven games last season so i believe that this is number is totally dependent on carson winston healthy carson wednesdays healthy key sales past three thousand five hundred dollars easy. I think he approaches four thousand yards this hear more than likely and so yes. I think carson wentz is going to be healthy this year. I don't think he's gonna miss many games. If any games at all maybe that's just a optimism them and and hope on my part but why would i go into the season thinking that a quarterback is going to miss a certain amount of games. I don't go into any season expecting a quarterback to miss any games. If it happens it happens but i don't think you can go into the season planning on losing a guy for three or four games and so i think if he plays a full season yes i think he's sales past three thousand five hundred yards and i think there's a good chance that even if he misses a game or two he's still probably clears three thousand five hundred yards so i think that's an easy over for me. Total touchdown passes for carson wentz this year they have it set at twenty nine and a half again. I think that's a low number. I think jordan howard may vulture if you go line touchdowns here and there but but i think the eagles are still going to throw the ball a lot around the goal line and i think i think he easily gets into the thirties again because he i think he's going to stay healthy so carson. Wentz going over thirty five hundred yards passing going over twenty nine and a half yards twenty nine and a half touchdowns and then how many games will carson wentz start in the two thousand nineteen regular season the over under is at fourteen and a half now. That's basically saying if if you expect carson wentz to myth miss two games than he's as you gotta take the under on that two games not much a lot of times quarterbacks missed two games during the course of a season but i don't think that's going to be carson wentz this year. I really don't i. I really think if he misses a game. Maybe it's late in the season when they don't really need them but i think carson wentz makes fifteen starts this year. At least i would take the over over on carson. Wentz starts at fourteen and a half. I might be in the minority on that one because i know in the last two years he hasn't he hasn't gotten to fourteen. Let alone fourteen and a half but i'm going to go on the optimistic side and i'm gonna take the over on carson. Wentz starts at fourteen and a half but i do think that is a fascinating number. Jordan howard total rushing yards in the two thousand nineteen regular season seven hundred fifty and they have miles sanders at six hundred fifty. I think i might even reverse those numbers. I would take the under for howard and i would probably take the over for mile sanders on six hundred fifty yards but it really is going to be interesting to see how this running back situation relation shakes out because i you know we haven't seen much of jordan howard here. In the preseason. We have seen a fair amount of of mile sanders. We haven't seen a ton but what we've seen is impressive with him running the ball. He's clearly there most dynamic runner but jordan howard is going to get a volume of carries. I would think he's probably going to get fifteen carries. A game will mile sanders. I get the number of carries. The jordan howard gets he might not but mile sanders might do more with those carries. This might be more of an even split seven hundred seven hundred. I can see jordan howard finishing with way more touchdowns than miles sanders because i think jordan howard it's gonna be the guy they use at the goal line but this this one is tricky. I would stay away from. I'm anything having to do with eagles running backs this year whether you're playing fantasy a fantasy football whether you're betting over under here on these i just would stay away from from the eagles running back situation until we get a little bit of a clear picture how this is all going to shake out because i i really don't know how they're going to put out the distribution. When you looked at the garrett blunt jay ajayi in two thousand seventeen it was it was a pretty even split and you know when you look at these two running backs. They're kind of comparable. I don't think that howard is as forceful as blunt was but blunt was the short yardage guy the goal line guy. I think that's going to be jordan howard role. The first down guy mile sanders is going to be the guy who's the shifty speedy guy like ajayi was. I think howard probably i mean miles. Sanders probably has more chance to break off. Those long runs that the team was missing last year. I don't think jordan's ripping off any fifty or sixty yard runs whereas i think miles sanders you could see him do that a few times this year and that's a cheap way to get a bunch of yardage without a whole lot of carries so oh i'm i would stay under from these numb. I would stay away from these numbers. Pardon me but if i had to choose i would probably take the under for jordan howard under seven fifty and i would probably take the over for mile sanders at six fifty looking at the receivers <hes> the top two receivers on the team sean jeffrey into sean jackson looking at their receiving yards they have jeffries receiving yards at nine hundred and they have to sean jackson's receiving yards at seven hundred now. Alshon jeffery hasn't reached nine hundred yards receiving in a season since two thousand fourteen when he went over a thousand. I don't think this is the year that changes so i'm gonna take the under on alshon jeffery going in over nine hundred yards receiving i mean it's been since two thousand fourteen that he's done this now. Sean jackson on the other hand and just ten starts last year had seven hundred seventy. I four yards so clearly more than the seven hundred and again he he only started ten games last year and still win over seven hundred yards so i'm taking the over onto sean jackson he's shown that with his big play ability with the way he can get down the field and get those seventy yard touchdown catches eighty touchdown catches. He like sanders. I think we'll have the opportunity unity to pile up a bunch of yards on relatively few catches during the course of a game or a season so i'm taking the over onto sean jackson at seven hundred yards receiving on the season. I'm taking the under on alshon jeffery at nine hundred yards and i don't think any receiver gets a thousand yards simply because this team is going to go to a bunch of two tight handsets this year. I think that is going to be that is going to be a thing that happens that. I think if you're talking about an interesting over under an interesting over under is the percentage of snaps dallas guttered is going to play this year at the end of the season last year when they went heavy in twelve personnel dallas goddard played more than half the snaps so that might be the line i said at for for for dallas god or does he play in fifty point one or forty nine point nine percents of the snaps. I think it's i think it's going to be hard for him to get that many when you have when you still have nelson aguilar and j._j. Are single whiteside that you want to get some touches to. I think it's going to be tough for dallas goddard to get that many snaps but we saw how successful this team was last year when they did go to twelve personnel so i would take the under on dallas qatar getting half the snaps this year like he did over the last. Was it five games season. I think when he was over fifty percent but it'll be interesting to see how they utilize all these. That's one of my questions coming into the season. How are they gonna utilize all these different guys as we got. They've got so much talent on this team. That's a lot of mouths to feed as well so we'll see how they do and it's goes for the touchdowns as well. The over under for alshon on jeffrey touchdowns is six and a half this year and four four desha jackson. I will take the over on jeffrey with touchdowns. I think jeffrey is gonna to be a guy. They can find a lot close to the end zone. He's obviously not going to score any long. Touchdowns are not gonna score many long touchdowns this year. I wouldn't think just the connection that he has with carson. Wentz isn't the same that it was with nick foles and i hope that they have been working on that a little bit this offseason. It sounds like in training camp that there may be was starting starting to be a little bit of a connection between wentz and alshon jeffery but we got to see it in the regular season. We didn't really see it a whole lot in two thousand seventeen as evidenced by the fact that he didn't rack up all that many yardage into all that much yardage in two thousand seventeen but we know that jeffrey can get the ball in the endzone. We've seen him score touchdowns and so i think six and a half is a low number. I'm gonna take the over on alshon jeffery just because he is a guy that i think will be valuable inside the twenty and we've seen him be able to use his body to shield to a shield other defenders away from the football and for him to be able to get up to the highest point and bring it down as far as the sean jackson goes he's going to be reliant on breaking short plays plays into big runs or hitting the bomb you know are they going to be able to do that more than four times this year maybe but i think if i have to choose the over-under on touchdowns for sean jackson. I'm probably taking the under no. I'll take the over. I think both these guys will achieve the over on touchdown throws for saying the over. That's at least seven for jaffrey jeffrey and that's at least five for sean. That's twelve touchdowns and if we're talking yeah we're talking thirty five to forty touchdowns for carson wentz. That sounds about right to me so i'll take the over over on both guys for touchdowns. I think those numbers are a little bit low. We're looking at the tight ends now. Zakar it's total receptions in two thousand nineteen ninety and a half total receiving yards cards nine fifty and total receiving touchdowns in the regular season seven and a half. I think he's so good. He's so good ninety and a half is a a lot though and if they're gonna play dallas goddard a little bit more touches for zakar. It's go down a little bit this year. I think the targets go down a little bit zakar. It's this year so i'm going to say i'm gonna say <music> onder on the receptions and receiving yards seven and a half touchdowns as a lot but carson wentz loves looking for zakar. It's especially inside the red zone. I'll take the over on receiving touchdowns for zakar. Zakar is probably will end up leading the team in receiving touchdowns and so i'll take the over on seven and and a half on touchdowns but i'll take the under on the yardage nine hundred fifty yards and i'll take the under on the total receptions ninety and a half for fletcher cox and brandon graham iran. They're looking at saks. They have the over under for cox with eight and a half sacks and the over under for graham at six and a half sacks. I'm going under for brandon brandon graham. He's only gone over six and a half sacks once in his career and that was in two thousand seventeen the super bowl season when he had nine and a half sacks so again. He's never been a big sack total guy. He gets a lot of pressures. He gets a lot of hurries. He gets a lotta tackles in the backfield but we haven't seen graham have just one quote unquote big sack season and really nine and a half sacks for an edge rusher is not that many it's a good number especially with as much as the eagles rotate their defensive ends but if i'm looking at the if i'm looking to put money on an over under number for total sacks for brandon graham yeah i'm staying underneath six and a half because he's only gotten to over six and a half once in his career as for fletch you know his injury situation makes me a little nervous the fact that he hasn't played it all or really practiced at had all this spring or barely barely any eight and a half sacks though is a number he should be able to leapfrog if he's healthy and everything we're hearing from the eagles goals is that they're just keeping them out as a precaution that it's nothing serious that he'll be ready to go bye week one and if that's the case with me jackson helping to take some of the pressure off of him in the middle of the line you might see a little bit of an easier time for fletcher to get into the backfield and and get to the quarterback if maliki jackson can take a little bit more attention away in timmy jernigan. This is said to be looking really good in this preseason as well that if jernigan is is you know kind of re rejuvenated and can generate some pressure. It'll it'll make things easier for fletcher koksal. I'll say i'll say over eight and a half for fletcher cox as far as total sacco. I'll say under six and a half and total sacks for brandon graham and i'm going to have a whole list over unders <hes> with some more than justice i will. We'll get some get some additional over unders as well in a piece that i'm writing bleeding. Green nation should be up the by by friday friday or by this weekend so if it's not there right away it will be there working on that <hes> as we speak but in the meantime just a few fun over unders for this philadelphia the eagles team as they get ready to open the season in just over a week against the washington football team at home so folks. That'll do it for this episode of b._g._n. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Chicago Bears Super Bowl-worthy?

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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Chicago Bears Super Bowl-worthy?

"Giants fans and welcome to a new addition of the Valentine's views podcast, here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host, Ed Valentine of big blue view on today's show. We will continue previewing New York Giants two thousand and nineteen opponents as we talked to Lester wilt Fong, who writes for SP, nations windy city, gridiron covering the Chicago Bears before we get to my interview with LeicesteR. However, I wanted to address something that's been on my mind lately. And that seems to be the, the dwindling public access to NFL training camps. We saw in the news recently that the Philadelphia Eagles are only hosting one public training camp practice. This come. Coming season, and that is a practice that fans will have to pay to attend. Even though you know, it's a nice thing that the money for that is going to charity, but I find it to be a real shame that public access to training camp is, is dwindling, you know, as, as time goes on heroes gratified to see that the giants will be hosting ten public practices for training camp, which actually is a higher number than, than in two thousand eighteen when I think they only hosted nine still. I look back at the days, I live in the upstate New York area, just outside of all Binnie. And I really remember the days when the giants hosted their training camp or had their training camp in Albany. Course this was back when there were two public practices day so fans had the opportunity to see potentially thirty New York. Giants practices during a training camp period. And the Albany experience was much different and much better for fans than the ones than the one, they get currently in New Jersey in New Jersey, you pull up to a parking lot outside of the giants facility in East Rutherford use it in bleachers, or stand behind the fences where the giants practice and you're a long way away from the players generally also players, enter the practice field. On the opposite side from where fans or in Albany you when when the giants were their fans had much better access to players players had to walk through. What was called autograph alley? They basically had to walk past rope lines of fans to get to the practice fields Albany hat. I believe five practice fields at the time you know and, and there was much better access you could get much closer to the practice fields there weren't fences between players. There were rope lines. You could get closer to practice than you can. Then you can now. I mean, there were fences on some of the fields, you could sit on the side of a hill. You know and watch practice. You could get a blanket out. You could have a picnic you could, you know, your kids could run around on the side of the hill. It was just a much friendlier much better atmosphere for fans to watch players and I get it now. I get why the giants do their training camp in New Jersey. They have a new facility with three and a half practice fields with a full practice bubble you know where they can go when you win. There's inclement weather. I understand the idea that at bottom line is that, you know this is the time when NFL teams are preparing for a season. It is their most important practice time of the year. I just feel like you know, the NFL and sports in general, becomes more and more corporate all the time and the training camp access for fans as one of the last one of the few times when people can actually go and see NFL players in some sort of an environment and get close to them and watch them without paying an arm and a leg. And I find that, that the, the farther, we get away from the two days here, the we find fewer and fewer teams actually reaching out to fans via their training camps and doing things to make it special for. Fans and I just find that to be somewhat sad because there's fans pay so much money to go and see their teams generally play games. And, and we know how much fans care about their teams. I just I wish that teams would do more instead of less to reach out to their fans in, in training camp type situations. Anyway, one of the things that I'm going to be doing it. Big blue view is what I would like to do is reach out to giants fans who have been to training camps, who may be have had good experiences attending events like that in the past, what I would like you to do. Send your story sent some pictures to big blue view at g mail dot com. Send the photographs send a quick explanation of, of when they were taken you know what the situation was what your experience was. If you. Wanna detail it. You know, make sure you include your names names of anyone. That's n your pictures. And, and we'll put together a post that big blue view with some fan memories, some fan experiences at past training camps. I think that might be fun. Be a good sort of way for fans to to look forward to training camp. Maybe to reminisce about some of their best experiences at training camp. So again, please send those pictures send those stories too. Big blue view at g mail dot com. And you know, once we get a few of those together, we'll, we'll put a post together at biglou view. And, and maybe that'll be entertaining as we wait for the giants to begin, you know, this year's training camp at the end of July. Okay. Giants fans let's take a short break. And when we come back, I will talk to LeicesteR wilt Fong of windy city gridiron about the Chicago Bears. Hi, I'm truffle men, and I'm hosting curbs new podcast. Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism, fascist architecture, poly-amorous, hermetically, sealed domes and Courtney Kardashians dining room chairs, but not necessarily in that order, new episodes of nice, try come out every Thursday. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Hey, I'm Spencer hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan nanny. I'm Jason Kirk, and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college football podcast says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is a spoiled every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling, too unfashionable pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college football every now and then, like mascot fights announcers, fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football, exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. In to help us do that. We are joined by Lester will Fong of SB nations. Windy city gridiron Lester. Thank you very much for spending some time with me. No problem good. Good to talk to. Hey, so let's so let's talk Chicago Bears. And lets you know, the, the giants beat the bears in two thousand eighteen but let's you know, I'm certainly not going to gloat about about winning a game with chase Daniel playing quarterback. You know when you guys went twelve and four and the giants limped home with five wins. So. It was a really good game on giants giants things the bears the bears later EKG when they're playing in New York and, you know, the giants took advantage of opportunities and the giants were the better team on that day. Oh, I just wish the giants had been the better team on film, as in recent years. You know, it would make my life a lot happier. If that was the cast, but, but so be it, you know, we all go through stretches where our teams just aren't very good. I know that for a fact. Yes. We. Yes. We do. I mean I'll take comfort these days in, in, in being a Yankees fan. There you go. All right. So let's talk bears a little bit. And let's start with this through the, the basic part of the off season. Now all the OTA's the draft free agency all of all of that. Do you, you know generic question is, do you feel better or worse about the bears at this point you know entering training camp? You know, maybe then you did at the end of last season. You know last year at this time I was excited for the head coach. I thought that they were a really big turn on what they had with John FOX there. I'm not saying, you know, it was it was it was rock bottom with John FOX, 'cause bears did that with, with Marc Trestman? But, but coming off the John FOX air, the three years there. You know, I thought they made the right hire I was really high on Matt Nagy. I'm glad they hired him. And I was expecting a nice year for the bears. I'm trying to think back, I think I had them going nine seven. And then when it made the big trade for Cleal MAC, I thought ten and six but I actually still them that they were gonna miss the playoffs. I thought the Viking the Packers we're gonna both finish headman the division and then they'd be one of those those Ray or ten when teams that don't make it but so surprise twelve and four but, but everything kind of came together, you know, the defense has a lot of town on it. And if they really good the offense kinda came around and just enough in twelve wins, of course, it didn't finish the way that bears fans hoped. But it was a really good season for the bears. So going into this off season. I mean expectations. Pretty sky high all around the, the bears talking they're talking about the Super Bowl and it doesn't feel like it's just empty talk this year because, you know, they have a a very talented team. And a very good scheme on both sides of the also it's an exciting tiny bears fan. That's that's, that's good to hear because it's been a long time for us. You know, with all of that said, you know all of that excitement coming off twelve twelve win season. You know, we'll, we'll talk about how season ended a little bit later on. But. It feels to me when I look at the at the draft. And I look at free agency. It feels to me like the bears lost more talent than they gained during the you know during the off season. How do you feel about the, the roster turnover in, in the things that have happened, you know, through the off-season? Would you a loss if offense for because offense pretty much one loss, and that was something they chose chose the trade, Jordan Howard, and it's not because he's not a bad running back because he wasn't a good fit for the system coach Matt Nagy wants tailback that he can split out as receiver then he can put in the slot that he can motion out and do other things with him. And Jordan Howard, his hands aren't as bad as people think, but he doesn't have the ability to quickly start up as a receiver. So when he does catch the ball out there in space, takes a while to get going. And that's not what the offense wants the bears want tailbacks that can spin on wide going to slightly to recall. And that's why the draft David Montgomery. That's why they signed Mike Davison free agency. All three of these guys can lineup anywhere in the offense. And that makes it tougher a defense. So, I think even though he lost the guy who has been in a Pro Bowl recently. I think the, the offense upgraded at running back spot, but. But did you really have to trade him to the eagles? Honestly, like I said, I'm a fan of John Howard. But I think it's best football's behind you kind of see how much the eagles valued him because of what the trade was. I mean the league value Jordan Howard as conditional six round pick. That's the best bears. Could do you know there were no other better offers on the table? They took the conditional, six figure with with any luck. They'll get that high otherwise. It'll be a southbound draft pick meshes with the value. The league placed on on Jordan Howard parv. It is the league invite running backs very well anymore, parv. It is Jordan Howard has declined in production all three years. He's been pro. Yes, he was a Pro Bowl, the first year with a five yards per carry, but every year it's kinda went down. And and I don't see making big impact with the eagles. I mean they drafted mile Sanders tailback for reason, because Jordan, Howard is limited, I think Jordan Howard play the league blunt role when the eagles the eagles champs he kinda had same role about about six hundred yards. Rushing goal line carries. That's. Join Howard is going to be if even gets that many carries with Philly. All right. So you we were talking about, you know, off season changes and all of that. So I think you wanted to go ahead and talk about the defense. So, so, so go ahead and do that. I mean defensively I mean the biggest change obviously is at coordinator, Vic Fangio moved onto to coats Denver Broncos, but I'm not as concerned as some fans with the chance, Chuck Pagano check Ghana is a quality coach. He's kinda similar Vic Fangio as far as mentality of the both kind of that, that old school thing. I'm and they got going out there a little older. They kind of relate to the players in that way. There's already a lot of respect built up there with the players. So he's a guy that he's a little more play caller. Yes. You only has the one year in Baltimore when he was when he was there play caller. But that year, he took a really good ravens defense, and he made them the best defense in the league their sacks interceptions or forced fumbles. Everything went up. The board. Saugus went from a pro baller to the to the defensive player of the year under his guidance. So there may be a slight drop off because the bears were so good a year ago, but I think it's gonna be negated because the bears off to be a little better. Keep defense little fresher, and I'm not worried. I mean they've lost. Eight Amos, who is a good strong safety, but ended he's a strong safety. I mean, that's he may have been the bears eleventh, most important defensive player. So they lost him and I know he got a huge controversy Packers. But you bring in a guy who's in, in hot Clinton Dix. A little better balk. He may fit the scheme, a little better. He's may not be as sound of tacklers Amos, but he, he's average more tackles aimless has the last couple of years. So it's not like he's afraid of contact and the other guy lost Nickelback price Cowen, who, who. That's the one guy really hoped. They would keep his Kelly very underrated. He's very good slot corner, losing him for BUSTER screen, I think is going to be a little a little downgrade. But scream has played out some bad defenses throughout his career. So let's see how he plays now that he has pretty much a Pro Bowl every level defense. He may play better. It's interesting. I thought both of those guys Amos and Callahan were would be on the una giants radar this off season and it didn't work out either way as I thought both were were good players. You know, the giants, obviously drafted I think every cornerback available in the draft. And signed, you know, veteran Antoine but they, you know which is a stopgap for them, you know. But I thought if they went big if they invested big on a player in, in free agency that, that it might be one of those two guys. But it didn't work out that way, a lot of bear thought the same thing. They thought that when you guys lost Collins, you're gonna go after ammos, and it just kind of, you know, end up going and he stayed in the division. So. Like I said he's a good player. He's a solid player pro football focus really loves him because he's a solid steady guy. But honestly, he may have been the bears eleventh, most important player on defense and maybe even if you wanna put the Bryce count at him. So is he a big loss? I guess, time will tell. But, you know, I don't see it that way. All right. Let's a half to ask are, do you still have double nightmares? Yeah. I think every bears fan is going to just have that. I mean, just hearing the word doubled joint makes make bears fans cranes. That was just such a such such a horrible way to lose a game. You know, the bear started off slow with the quarterback Trubisky. You know he had a real rough first quarter. But, but every quarter he got better the offense. Click a little better. He put him in position to win. You know he had a really great fourth quarter there. He had a couple of really really big plays out Robinson put him in a position with a very makeable field goal. And of course, you know, the double cabin. Yes, it did. And in the internet enjoyed it very much. Yes. Yes, named in. I know. I know. On on our Facebook and Twitter feed. We had fans of eagles and, and fans of Packers and lions Viking, they all came out of the woodwork to let us know how how much the bears really blew that game. And so, you know, it is it is what it is it happened. What are you gonna do not much? You know, the giants are still, you know, giants fan still have nightmares about the I think it was I forget, what year it was now but two thousand to two thousand I think around there Trey Junkin game with the with a a messed up long snap with the with a game winning field goal on the line in in a conference title game. So so we, we've been there, we felt your pain in his row. We know how that goes and somehow or another, you know, people like me will always manage to, to dig the knife in and remind you a little bit. That's okay at least not a eagles fan. So that's okay. You know it's. You know, it's, it's, it's hilarious. Everybody I talked to says, well, you talked to other bloggers from other websites, and what is it about the eagles? Well, actually, I, I know what it is. But it's actually kind of enjoyable that everyone from everywhere seems to hate the eagles. You know, I gotta tell you when the bears during that week, and then, of course, after the loss, I had more people talking trash to us that are eagles fans on our Twitter and Facebook and just in general. You know there were come into our site to eagles fans. They are they are. They're, they're they're, they're something else. I, I don't want to get to here, but, you know, those guys are pretty pretty brutal. Yes. Yes, they are. So this, this, and this bear San who deals with Packer fans in lions fans on a daily basis. Eagles fans put those guys shame. Those guys are, are just brutal. Yeah. That's that's one way to put it. One way to put it. Let me ask you listen. You guys are entering. I think it's year three of the Mitchell Trubisky era, where do you stand on trubisky's development? What do you think of him as a quarterback at at this point in time? You know he's coming along. I mean, I wasn't the biggest Trubisky fan when the bears drafted him I actually had him as my as my number three guy that year. You know, I'm not looking at it from scowl perspective, this kind of as a fan I like a couple of the guys better. But I understood that trade up. You know, the bears got the guy that they believed in and you know, his rookie year wasn't the best. But you know he showed flashes. And then last year. No if you look at his body, a work from week one week seventeen into the wild card game. He got better every week. You know hit a bit of a hiccup there with the injury. But this is a guy who his command of the offense grew on a week to week basis. And it's something that fans could actually see. So the bears are coming along. You know, of course during OT. As they're saying all the right things at coach really excited. What's going on? But if it was just a coach players, talking, I, I'd be okay. It's just it's just lip service, but the beat guys are actually not as are praising, it's well they're saying it looks like a totally different quarterback. The offense looks different in different things news things, you know, the players are all on the same page, and that's what's to be expected going into year two of the same offense. All right, so less, but not least here, give me a quick synopsis of the division and, and your, your expectations for for where the bears Lind up this year. I'm bored with with the with the coach players. I think this is a team that is Super Bowl ready. You know, if anyone has filed the bears kinda on look for tuna mirrored off of looking five bears kind of had a real real good season. But a problem in the playoffs and the next they went into the into the Super Bowl, they of course, lost the colts go back to eighty four. Same thing they had a really nice. Eric. Probably in the playoffs next year Super Bowl champs. So this team is prying. Everything's set up for this to be a magical season for the bears. The God, of course, get done on the field. But, you know, they have the town place, the quarterback in place that coach place, you know, just there's a oral around this team that it's kinda hard to describe unless you're actually, you know, a fan of the team, the club dub stuff. This is just a really tight close knit team. You know, the all get along with each other. You don't hear the drama. That's happening with other teams. It doesn't exist with these guys generally like each other and anyone play in windfall. Reach other. And I think Super Bowl or Boston, as far as the division goes, you know, whenever you play a division with Aaron Rodgers Packers. That's obviously going to be a problem. And rod just a really good quarterback you one of the best ever. So they'll be right there in it. And the Vikings are tough and the lions, of course, they had a rough your last year, but I think they'll be they'll be a little better this year. So tough division, I to the bears winning less game. But being a better team and still going on and winning the whole thing Lester. It's interesting that you mention you know what, what the bears went through last year. History tells us a lot of times that that teams that go through things like that wind up benef- benefiting from those in the long run. And I can think I'm old enough to remember nineteen eighty five playoff game in Chicago that the giants should've one Sean land at a whiffed on uplift. Yeah. I'm older. How can the wind blow that hard? And then the next year what happens they would win the whole thing, right? It's happening all through history. So this is the bears hundred celebration a lot of weird things happening within the city within the franchise where you think God, it's just fitting this has to be the year and bears fans. You know, it's, you know, we would lose our minds if it happened this year because everything else and everything's in place. It could be a magical season but the guy to get it done. Well, we will look forward to giants and bears. I think that's well down the road. I think that's week twelve hope that we'll hope that it means something to the giants other than a chance for Daniel Jones to play. I gotta ask, what are your thoughts, don't cause a buddy of mine who who's a big quarterback scou- guru? That's what he loves to do. And he had Jones his top guy, and he was so excited. When Jiang Sukhum I just don't know if I see what are you? What are your thoughts on Jones? Well, it's, it's very interesting Mirko field, who is a quarterback guru rights for a lot of places does some work for us and Mark wasn't high on Jones. But look, you know, Mark realized that it looked like NFL guys were higher on Jones, a lot of the outside scouts who only watch who only had to tape available to them. You know what happens in the in the process is we all make our valuations off of whatever tape, we can get a hold of off a YouTube off of whatever tape off of whatever games. We happen to watch on television. You know, when we were probably distracted by whatever else was going on during, you know, in our homes during the day, you know, whatever else kids, whatever, you know, whatever you're into kids friends, whatever was going on. But, you know, these guys if to understand these guys, they have years worth of information, they have access to everybody back to these kids pop Warner coach, if they wanna go back that far they can talk to anybody in everybody. They can talk to these kids multiple times, and bring them in and talk to them for hours on end in certain situations. If they bring them to the facility. So, you know, the way I look at it as maybe the outside analysis. Was that Jones shouldn't have been the sixth overall pick. But. When you talk about quarterbacks if he was there guy, and I do think I still think there was a split in the NFL between whether Dwayne Haskins was QB to or Jones with QB to in the draft, if he's your guy if he's the guy, you want long-term, then you make that move. You don't mess around you. You don't say, well, maybe I can trade back up or maybe I can get him at seventeen. You take him at six and you don't let anybody else take him away from you. The question is going to be, you know, how good is he? I think he's he was very impressive in spring workouts. He looks like a professional quarterback. You know, but I had it's funny, I had a giants dot com guy on, on the show the other day and he said, I think his floors Andy Dalton. And that's not bad. But they found that floor. But if he's Andy dole though, if he's Andy Dalton, he's to justify the sixth overall pick and to get where the giants want to go. He's going to have to be better than that. I think he looks like a guy who can at the very least be a Representative NFL quarterback. You know, the question is, is the ceiling high enough to get the guy to get the giants to the places Eli manning took them? Yeah. So. Should be good battle the next few develops Triscuit develops the NFC needs young coming quarterbacks, but it is it is interesting to hear from another source. You know that, that, that guy was was high on Jones like that. I think this, this impression to me in maybe to you this impression to me that he was a third round pick that nobody in the universe thought he was thought he was worth that kind of pick. I think that's wrong. Yeah. So anyway, Lester, we will look forward to week twelve as I said, we, we, we can only hope from the giants in that, that, that the game actually means something it's actually been hasn't hasn't been very often in recent years, that games in the last few weeks of the season of things to the giants. So we'll cross our fingers. We'll hope it means something. And we'll hope the giants go to Soldier Field. And, and don't have any, any punts blow completely away from them. What will hope for a good game? But of course, we're looking for the for the Chicago in there. Well, we'll of course you are. We wouldn't we wouldn't expect anything less, and maybe maybe you're around that time. Maybe we'll have you back on. We'll talk a little more bears. Giants to preview that game. So thank you very, very much for spending some time with me, and we'll talk to you again. No problem that takes much going. All right. Bye. All right. Our thanks to Lester. We'll funk for dropping some information about the bears on us as we talked about, at the beginning of the show, giants fans send your photos, send your stories about training camp interactions with players. Whatever your favorite memories are from camps that you've attended in the past sent those two big blue view at g mail dot com and we'll put together a post at big blue view. You know, looking back at some of those memories, I think it'd be an interesting way for, for fans to share their experiences their interactions with some of their giants favorites as always we thank you for listening. We remind you to please subscribe to big blue v radio and all of your favorite podcast applications. Thank you, very much, and we'll talk to you again soon. Bye bye.

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BGN Radio #83: Grading the Eagles' First 4 Weeks

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BGN Radio #83: Grading the Eagles' First 4 Weeks

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hidden season one of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation look the baseball season is one hundred in sixty two games long and there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness you could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcast including the award winning the dirty inning with Justin clue and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Laze rozier subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. You're listening to BGN ridden with Brandon Lee County and Jimmy Kimmel welcome on an to BGN radio episode eighty-three. I'm brandon the young from bleeding coronation here with you as always I'm joined by my co host here on BBN radio to talk about the Philadelphia Eagles on your favorite Eagles podcast which you should definitely definitely rates review subscribe all those good things. I am here with Jimmy Kamsky from philly voice Jimmy. How's IT GOING BRANDON. Get Harry doing well. Jimmy it's it's a very interesting spot that were in in the sense of like how much has changed We did a podcast for you last week when the eagles were wanting to staring one in three in the face and it looks like with Teddy Bridgewater starting at the cowboys might even be able to jump out to four now but those things did not happen on the eagles went into Green Bay as I predicted how I will pat myself on the back for that and and somehow win even though it didn't necessarily make a ton of sense when you were looking into that matchup going the feeling of how people are feeling not so great against the team so I guess that's kind of where we are like just kind of looking at the eels outlook right now Jimmy how how much did last week's win over the packers and if you want to include the cowboys losing in there I think that's definitely relevant relevant of course the what's the outlook now I mean had Dallas one and the Eagles lost as Vegas never knows kind of expected or at least that was probably the most likely outcome. The division is I don't say it's wrapped up after week four but they're in a huge position of power after just the first quarter of the season in three games on the only real other contender in that division because it's the giants are into but I mean who's taking them seriously disley. Make up that ground. It's like kind of a season long venture at that point 'cause you're not catching them anytime soon and now the difference between four now versus one and three and three and one versus two and two is just enormous so this is a huge week for the Eagles Alley Dallas too by the way the rams lose who has lost in the NFC that was sort of worthwhile packers. Obviously I mean it doesn't really matter because I don't think they're any good anyway. The Falcons hold a tiebreaker over them so they lose kind of a bad week for you know sort of the top the quote unquote top. NFC's absurd the NFC teams the eagles aside really the perfect week for the outsiders. Their playoff odds that you will tint went up twenty. One percent basically is a pretty big twain yeah just from one in week one week in week four by the way huge win the thing that gets me or the stat that I can't get over and I keep coming back to is how Aaron Rodgers is fifty the eight zero in one at home when leading by ten points at any point in the game yeah up ten points eagles in Green Bay last week I brought this. It's up to you Jimmy. Last week I had brought up like the back against the wall back against the wall thing with this team like they respond they have they are resilient bunch. I think some of their resiliency is because they themselves in the foot too much like the it'd be nice if all elected for sure yeah. It'd be great if they didn't have to be so resilient but they are resilient. You can't say they just they fold easily and wanted kind. We talked about it last week. Where you know last year the head into that week fifteen matchup up Carson Wentz has the broken bone in his back. We didn't know the extent of his injury at the time out if I recall and there are at least double digit underdog I think it was closer to into touchdown underdogs heading into. La that week and they go out and they you know bullet went out of there but I don't think it's really the same thing this year. You know it wasn't isn't like you know sort of a defeated franchise at that point you know at this point heading into week four but I think certainly most people were picking the packers to win that game and they come away with a huge win not only on the road but an alien lambeau against Aaron Rodgers but on the short week heading on a Thursday game really really a big deal to to be able to do that against a good team and they've done in the past did it in twenty seventeen against Carolina when North Carolina was a better team than they are now. Obviously the Eagles are rolling at that point in the season that year but you're right. I mean the resiliency that that this team has showed is impressive and I think they've kind of earned. I guess quote unquote back off a little. If take on things aren't going well sometimes because they do tend to turn it around yeah and I think that's definitely something you can give Doug Peterson credit for to add feel like his players always play hard firm for him. They don't just quit her fold or give up on him. One of the reasons the eagles able to beat the packers Jimmy as you highlighted on Philly voice this week is because got it at a pretty big impact in this game at the same time Nell Snag Laura who was killing this team and he talked about that last week just entirely coincidentally had one target and no receptions against the packers amazing how us were better without going to so much snaps. He played over seventy snap snap safari. I think he played the most of any school player than not that I think you're right and at the Sean Alshon clearly not one hundred percent and what did he get like eight targets thrown to him quite a bit or ten even out he only had three catches of if if not mistaken but they threw Toma. Lot and Kevin King was all over him all night and I think that's maybe the only thing that I would point out in terms of the the idea that Carson Wentz has lost faith in Nelson lower. They won't go on his way on purpose. Is that he This is totally anecdotal and I probably shouldn't even be talking about with Ella mud but my sense is that he probably saw a lot of Alexander Nike. There are better match ups to to attack than than that of course. I think it's fine to say things on the podcast like yeah. That's that's. That's one thing that I always like that. Gets me about radio. I feel like radio. Guys can say anything. It could be completely wrong. They say it like it's fine because no one's GonNa like take a clip of that far away and it's just gone yeah right. It's gone whereas you might make Typo gets. Take screen shot a black about five months later in there. It's not like someone like says something in there. I mean someone might call up into the station incorrect you but whatever ever or as opposed to like there's some comment and then a bunch of other people are competent so just a quick aside there that I think US writers have have much harder but now that we're on a podcast address. Please thank you yes. Please feel bad for us but also we can say anything we want in. There are no consequences at all literally like to preface when I don't they don't know for sure I still like to preface. I I will continue to do that so for the running back rotation. Obviously that was another big running backs in general the offensive line I mean they they just kicked but in this game awesome vintage eagles off into line performance where they just they just dominate the other team. They were just like they were the better team that that's GonNa win. They they want to build in the trenches. They want to dominate it that in that way and the eagles were able to take advantage of a bad packers run defense. It's a good defense overall but a bad packers run defense it was impressive. What did you make of the running game in this game to me. Specifically as it relates to the playing time for Jordan Howard in Mile Sanders like how how should that be handled moving forward. I do like the way they complement each other. In terms of theoretically that is in terms of their skill sets where Mile Sanders is sort of more of the explosive guy has more speed certainly than than Jordan Howard whereas Jordan Howard is the kind of guy that if there's a hole there it's GonNa hit it any. He's GonNa take at least everything that's there might not get a lot more than that but he's going to run through contact and he's going to quote unquote fall forward and whatnot and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. He's kind of your big guy and I think they kind of complement each other. Well and I didn't totally dive into this but I know that your colleague there a Ebi. Gm Michael Kissed wrote an article about a sanders in Jordan. Howard and I know that the analytics people that have taken a look at Mile Sanders in what he's done in his carries. It's not pretty much you run through. Some of you know you know some of those analytics piece talking about them all those nerd staff basically so oh you know what some of them are nerd stats and some of them are like so like pro football focus. I don't like the way they'll just arbitrarily assign a number two right. I think the things that are very the kinds of stats that are put out that are kind of very easy to determine their not subjective a little bit more objective like yards after contact for example. It's pretty easy to Seattle on the first guy contacts and we can see how many Arctic it's after that those kind of stats are good so I obviously allow that stuff is valuable that these guys are putting out but go ahead two run run through with you know what what they're kind of saying about miles. I mean this is from football outsiders like he ranks thirty four at thirty stakes in Dr you can look it up. All these stats on full outsiders dot com for more contacts in these are just a bunch of letters like what the heck is delay in but even something like yeah. I think our listeners know that stuff is that's fair. I think some do some might not some newer listeners maybe success rate twenty six thirty six broken in percentage of attempted tackles amounts to twenty four th at eight thirty six and even saw this in the game that one's a little more subjective but forget you but I mean just looking at even even putting those aside and just looking back at the game that one play where mile centers had that huge run into space and I think he was like darnold savage. Was the guy left yes. I don't see make a miss like it felt like he just runs like right into it. Make a mess like make that move and maybe you're GONNA get caught from behind okay but more down the field. That's the point being with miles sanders in all these numbers and everything thing and even the first play of the game the first game. He has a huge hole on the bone. They're taking that is exactly that the phrase I was. GonNa use like I just think he's not looking God awful awful like in a vacuum you look at his yards per carry and whatnot but I think when you're talking about opportunity costs like I think he could be better and he's you know he's a rookie. I'm not not saying like this is the end of his career. He'll never get better. He can't improve the season is going on. That's not what I'm saying. It's not gonNA kiss to saying. I just think like he is still has some. I mean the title of this article is Literally Mile. Sanders has a long way to go. That's the point like he has a lot of work to do moving forward and I think when you're looking at that in in the context of this running back situation. I've really liked what I've seen Jordan Howard going into the season Jimmy. I know you were you were talking about how like you should just give it to sanders and and he should be the guy. I was kind of more of the mind that like that was Ron Howard clearly yeah well this line bringing it up embarrass you. I was the mind that like Howard Howard you have a role and he should early in the season and like I think miles can kind of plays way into more playing time whereas like Howard's the more defacto option and but I think moving forward I think it should be Kinda. How how it has been kind of a fifty fifty split but I think right now I think you WanNa see and this could change depending on the match up up the I think you WanNa see more Howard I think he's he's played well and one thing that really stands out about him to me. Is that and you kind of set. It kind of are Kinda. Dislike falls forward but I mean that's true like he does not take negative runs yeah. He is always gaining positive yards. It's nice to see that so I definitely think for as much as this running back rotation as always gonNA be rotation and they're going to split playing time. I definitely think Howard should kind of get a little bit more of the workload. If you're KINDA GONNA favorite for it one way he's caught the ball better than expecting to the catch and run that he made against Green Bay on the wheel route everyone every running back in the league play a few slick but you know we've seen in the past for guys like Ryan Ryan Mathews with like drop passes like that and you know he's making the plays that he should make but he also had like like a nice catch. I believe it was week. One offing around yeah leaked out onto the flat bathroom and it should have been incomplete you it's it was a pass you wouldn't expect them to make or we wouldn't expect him to catch and I mean like an interest off the ground. He grabbed it. I mean it was a minimal gain as Newton easily miss that play but oh you know he's he's he's done. Well catch the ball from my perspective when I look at that that running back rotation. I still think the ball mile sanders you don't. You're not GonNa like just let them waste wasted on the bench because that's a guy who you want to be good by the end of the season so I think you gotta keep giving them opportunities. He's GonNa work through it and I think that you will think of him as as a guy that has a lot of skill and can be a very good player so I don't think he just want to let them collect dust. I think he keep giving the ball but you're right. You gotta the have Jordan Howard in their more because he's the guy that is producing more than anyone else right now and that's that's where I met with a definitely don't want never see sanders that I definitely definitely think you know if you're if you're leaning guy a little bit more might be Howard especially right now. I can be the situation where like it was like week. One right he only got like a couple of touches and like dance Provo Meanwhile is getting touches like you shouldn't be like that and I don't think it will be. Let's move onto biggest concerns moving forward yeah. I think that'd the B. Two okay and they're kind of hand in hand in the past Russian the secondary. Let's do pass rush. I because there's more to talk about the secondary. I think the Palestinian pretty cut and dry I mean they just they just got better. Get into quarterback I mean I don't know what more analysis we need that. How did you think they did against the packers because I felt like they've data showed yeah. There are better or better I think Roger's being like elusive in smart in a slippery as he is kind of like made that Patras not look good but I mean they made a huge flay. They meant a gigantic play that Derek had strips act is huge. Yes organic that Um fairness and I'm going to you know kind of crap on the play that he made but they they have a tight end coming across the nation to try to block him as a similar kind of play that that he made against the Vikings in the NFC championship game tight end tight end the packers tight it ended biking said and for that matter to really terrible trying to block them Credit Barnett for making the play that he should make also credit him for getting the ball out instead of yes settling for the sacks. We did a good job. They're forced to fumble. Eagles recovered a believe they scored a touchdown drive so give him credit for that but not winning their our one on one match ups against offensive line and the one guy who really was winning matchups later in that game was Brandon Graham and that was really kind of a product of Brian Bulaq getting hurt and I had to put in a backup tackle who stunk I mean like that guy was really bad and Brandon Ramsey mop so far on the season they had three sacks. That's the worst in the NFL four or five other teams that have five sacks. I believe the eagles have three and that's the worst in the. NFL and I don't think anyone would have foreseen that. I mean I think we we all kind of recognize that the off the defensive line was concerned in that it might not be as good as they were a year ago and certainly not as good as they weren't twenty seventeen but I don't think anyone would have predicted that debut last in the NFL in sacks after the first four weeks yeah. That's that's bad good interesting that here. Erin inch shots from football outsiders tweeted out this week you guys are actually six in pressure rate according to Sports Info solutions and yet they are somehow dead last in adjusted secretary so that compute I it's really weird. I think so I feel like one of the things that the coverage just isn't good enough and that gets us into the second biggest concern here that you mentioned this secondary lane well with and they're not but they're also oh now minus those players that weren't playing well so Ronald Darby dealing with a hamstring injury probably GonNa be out definitely out this week of antibiotics injured by Andrew in your Sunday. Ho Who I'm sure we'll be talking about that so point later and then Sidney Jones who once again. I know you're shocked. Sidney Jones hurt once once again. Guy who played only twenty seven percent of his possible games going into this year is hurt once again with another soft tissue injury and of course y'all males who started started the season on pop and remains. Ill Mills pup strap is on IRR YEP. That's bad luck to like top six hundred already down for the second year in a row. Yeah I mean they're. They're starting chained in Sullivan at one point last year. I city plays this week. Only they only have three hundred corners roster right now that are healthy right and then the practice today as limited by today were recording us on Wednesday just right but he practiced on Wednesday limited but he practiced and if they if he weren't gonNA player he was GonNa play another corner my now I guess they can call a guy up at any time from the practice squad when they do that. Obviously that will be the clear indication that he's not can apply but he's I think he's GonNa play yeah. I agree and I think they added rose named Ryan Dj White Gene Harris who they got red eye of DJ in Ryan Lewis were the two corners they had in both of those guys had a little bit of NFL playing experience. That was kind of an effort to get those guys. I think they only call one of those guys up Sydney as a setback or something he can't play of course they brought a land Orlando schedule pack as well. Yes very crucial honestly honestly what he's GonNa Start. He's he's starting slack owner. I would imagine. Ob result in Sydney on the outside skeptics on the plane. You're slot the secondary. What what can they do to fix it Jimmy. Is there a trade out there. We heard on Ma Tuesday evening here. Chris Mortenson had said that the eagles are still a highly highly interested said in Jalen Ramsey they offered reportedly a first round pick a second round pick to the Jaguars who said no thanks okay. It's Kinda sound like the Ramsay thing isn't going to happen in the sense of like now. Schefter was on ninety seven five this morning and said like he doesn't think the jobs are going to move on from Ramsey. Adam Kaplan said something similarity similar. It seems like that might not be happening. It's it's time for the Eagles to start floating out there super interested in like Chris Harris or something. Get that price back down. How do you like Chris Harris Chris Harris. Yeah so do I apologize player and you know what I think. The Eagles would also like about him is his artillery. Yeah got that inside outside. Versatility also the cost. I think would be pretty reasonable. He's all I know how he loves him. He's an old. Oh Guy how he would love him out of the Broncos own for so they have every reason to start selling some pieces there and it says he's he's in a contract year and the rest of that division is tough tough so it's gonna be able to come back and win him. The other dos near there are already there. I mean the chiefs are she's. She's now not yet yeah Dan right so they're already done the division down for out. The raiders and chargers multiple wins not looking good for the broncos in yeah. I think Chris Harris would make a lot of sense in terms of like a rental because you know you don't WanNa be giving up a third round. Pick for him bombing. That's probably what it would cost. I mean yeah who'd rather have golden tate at the trade deadline last year or Chris Harris at the trade deadline this year. I think they just need. I mean that's hard to do because like different such a bad spot a receiver last year other at advance invalid corner too well and I and I know I've the benefit of hindsight knowing how bad tate was now but we I think we all knew how bad that trade was immediately. I didn't like that trade right if they would have been more like okay yeah amenable to. I think the third was this like that would've been a deal breaker for me. I think that's a big difference so you could trade for Chris Harris. In whatever ever guessing a third it'd be too much. I think you're looking at a fourth for him right in terms of what if you're trying to give up if you're the eagles are you giving up a third for Harris. Ideally I wouldn't want to what they do the okay so what they do have is they have that third compaq for holes. Maybe you justify that means to after the complex occur for those of you do not totally up to speed on the comic world they those picks are made after the round in which they're labeled so a third on Compaq that the topics happened after the third bounds essentially over I guess after the first thirty two picks if they label them differently you could call him a fourth round pick. We're just getting into semantics six year I guess but would you basically give up a third slash fourth round. Pick whatever you WANNA call it for Chris Hours. I think third is tough yeah. I I agree. I four is it's. It's still pretty pricey but he's a good player. He is good is tweeting by the way that he can't wait to get out of there. I think fourth is the right value and obviously if you don't resign him than you could try to get a compaq if he signed somewhere in free agency so you would recoup some of that value last name that you end up here Jimmy. It's not in the secondary on the Defensive Line Gino Atkins Jason Lockenfora. I put something out about him being a trade possible because the bengals are done to clearly you watch that game by the way. I did the They're all my God. They might think they might be as bad as Miami. I I would really hate to root for a team that had orange and black of their main colors and was perpetually actually this really mediocre that that would be really hot. Take care all right. It's on Monday night. They are bad but generally speaking. I kind of the uniforms I don't hate him. I think aren't black are good colors despite the I thought I thought you I thought you were saying that. You didn't like him. No I was just kind of making a flyers reference Anti added. I wish again yeah it would suck to root for a team that was as it's just frustrating in so unsuccessful right yeah but the flyers are turn on the bengals level in terms of ineptitude not quite but pretty frustrating so so no so no. I can yes I can I think Gino Atkins's still still go player and you put him next to old version of Fletcher Cox at that a nasty dual on the interior and they need help there. I mean we'll take a little. Let's actually take a minute to discuss Fletcher Cox. Fletcher Cox is not the Fletcher Cox that we've come to now not even close. That's a a big reason for. It's not just the edge rushers that are getting to the quarterback it trickles down from him. He's not is I mean he's clearly not under percent and he's not he's not the same player that he it was. I think that cannot hurts the first of all the defensive tackle next to him. Were that is for the address for next to him on the interior on obvious passing downs and then you know the ED rushers are getting. Maybe more attention. They're getting chipped more so than they would. If Fletcher Cox were balling out the way he normally would be otherwise so I think there's was a big trickle down effect on when he's not the same player that he is. You put another guy like Jean Alaskans next to him. You know maybe cut down on the doubles that he's getting in. That kind of jump starts says play. Maybe if the teams are still insistent on doubling Fletcher Cox Geno Atkins GonNa make them pay be next to him problems. G Lankans is again the AH thing he's thirty one years old you. WanNa keep trading. These draft picks for older guys. You're going to have her a year or two. Some pull your roster moves. We are talking about this. In previous episode to your roster eventually is going to get to the point where it's really old and you really run the risk of having to have a total rebuild after only two three four years of of serious contention. I think the EAGLES WANNA contend for a decade as opposed to just three or four years so it'd be careful about that but at the same time I mean he really does help you in the short term if he can get into to your point Jimmy Zero stats in the lines did not record a single stack. I know like that doesn't necessarily mean everything but that's not that good. That's that is arguably your top talent overall and the team. You WanNa be on to something nothing yeah. That's that's horrible so for as much criticism awesome as Carson wentz might get in that loss or something like again like Fletcher Cox doing literally nothing in that game. is a big problem and he wasn't listed on the injury report really think for the First Time Amel season this today Wednesday maybe the the layoff helped him a little bit. We will see elude certainly hope so. I need that but yeah just about does it for our takeaways. We'll take a break here and then we're going to get back into a report card for the eagles. Grading the unit on the offense on the Defense Doug Peterson had Jim Schwartz Howie Roseman. We'll be back after this second of this baseball. Truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every week along with John. 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I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown forecast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what is already spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP you're back on Median Radio Episode Number Eighty Three Brindley out in here with Jimmy Kamsky. I'm scheme getting into a report card for the eagles. It's quarter way through the season. So why not do the cliche thing are arbitrary report cards. Bring these these these grades matter players in the locker. Room are talking about these Doug Peterson is definitely putting weight into this Jeffrey. Larry is probably who's listening listening to the podcast right now by our heroes got his pan out right now he's ready to these agreements exactly or using grades degrade his roster also we'll. We'll start the offense in start with the obvious position that is fullback to me. Had it now well. They do have a fullback. They do also and they're like boys. It was in some snaps for kneel downs but otherwise every snappy played this year as resulted in a touchdown. I believe what does that say. Get Him on the field. He should play every snap APP at idiots. quarterback people basically Carson wentz okay interesting plus. I think he's been good. I would remind us. How are we grading this by the way this was set. Some ground rules. Are we grading on just what we don't know anything about the players were just like like before. The season begins like aliens. We drop down on the earth. We have no players histories and we're just grading on what they've done so far this season with no regard guard whatsoever to expectations our doing it or we grading on a curve on expectations. I think it's up to you. I think there's there's no rules here. Jimmy we make up the rules. You still both ways then we'll separate grades but will kinda talk. You know how they've been. You know expectations. Let's do it that way. Why would you carson to be plus. He's been good said well. He's made some really nice plays like the play that he made in Atlanta where he's fallen to the ground any heads Mac Was it yeah that's amazing using play on fourth down yeah. There's been some of that this year that we didn't see as much of last year twenty seventeen he was a human highlight film not so much early on the season though now it wasn't wasn't not not like your thing in the I mean it started to come on the panthers game. It's a nice place early like that sure week one where he's running around in the pocket he escapes like three different guys and then he hits on the Field Nagar scores. I think this year they were there but his numbers weren't like amazing leasing. MVP quite like hype numbers to the first four what I'm talking about like highlight reel plays where he makes a plane. Just go wow that was awesome. Yeah he had had not many of those at all last year they are in overabundance 2017 yeah. This is starting to see them. Come back a little bit like that play up to Atlanta China that image. I mean how many players how many likes that play none right Selig. No Rogers been a few that I can that are capable of that but me mahomes home he shows. He's got a lead skills when he's making that kind of play so I think we've seen some of that. Come back. I think he's done a good job of not really making many mistakes. He had a rough first half against Atlanta in a very anomaly of a situation so maybe forgive that first half a little bit based on those factors but that half side doesn't make many mistakes you take that into account and then you take into account the monster second-half coming back from that bat first half in Atlanta. He played really well. My opinion is Detroit game obviously through very little of his own and then in Green Bay. I don't think he was as good in that game as he was against the Falcons and lions even though they come away with a win but certainly good they really relied relied on the on the run game in that game just Kinda. You know how they plan to attack defense that struggled stopping the run going into that game also when they got the run game go on hobbies. Stay with it. I mean overall I think he's at he'd be sign up for the season that he's had so far before. The season began especially given the circumstances yeah that it definitely has to factor in the narrative on Carson wentz would be a lot more positive nationally especially not that it's negative but I think it would be even more positive if they win. At least one of those to falcons were yes lines games. I think people are looking at two in to kind of holding that against him a little bit too much when I don't think it should be so I'm giving Carson Winston minus minus. He is on pace for thirty six passing touchdowns eight interceptions six point six yards per attempt but that's GonNa come up when you get the shock isn't that great. It's not great but part of that. I think it was the game plan especially this week. They didn't want the packers of a great pass rush so that wasn't just about ran the ball to attack the run defense latterly. That's that's definitely a factor. I think is completion. Pretend to come up. I mean he's had to deal with the most drops in the league at this point so like some of these things for sure that hurts us why no-doubt yet improve as the season goes along. I feel pretty satisfied with Carson. Wentz definitely think there's room for improvement. I think he's he's left someplace out in the field but overall a minus B. Plus. I think we're in the same territory. They're running back. Go ahead you go first. This astray be. I like what I've seen at a mile sanders in terms of his ability but you know the fumbles. Those are an issue. I think leaving yards on the field are an issue. I think Jordan Howard has been pretty much everything you honestly could wanted him to be. I don't think he's been disappointing. Being by any means. Darren sproles is still around. He was over utilized too much which isn't really so much on him but I think he can kinda. Give this team something as a role player still corey clement it hasn't taken an offensive touch yet so not really factoring him in there w some was asked about him today so. I will give him a B. What about Eugene B minus. I almost went C. Plus the reason. Why is I mean the fumbles. The only lost one of them but that the foam kill yeah that was big huge play in that game I mean it was sort of predictable like it was an issue of his out of college and you know he barely played in preseason so you didn't get a lot of reps. Were guys are trying to read the bottom sands so you don't have fumbles really in training camp that kind of flew under the radar a little bit in terms of you know things that he had to work on like we all. Kinda took a close look at him during training camp but in terms of pass protection and I think he's actually been pretty good at that so far and catching the football and fine like he's had a couple nights catches down the field but for me those fumbling issues remain a concern and they hurt him obviously in the lions game and Howard's me good. I like what I've seen from him so far so he kind of saves that great a little bit for me. I I was really expecting big things that maybe this was. Maybe my expectations were too high for miles sanders but I thought he was going to come out to be really good right off the bat. I mean we've seen plenty of examples or rookie running backs just step into the NFL and immediately are just really good. I've lost your I thought he had a chance to be one of those guys and he hasn't been those other point just kind of making in this article too just that like other running backs running back that I mean that that that have been good immediately as rookies this year will you have the medicine that Madison I write in from the vitamins. Relative stepped up. We had this discussion a little bit about. The receivers levers the rookie receivers that have stepped up immediately because we had this discussion about. Jj Drastic gives Tony Pollard David Montgomery Enin speaking being other receivers. I guess we can move into that Jimmy Yeah. Let's hop on you can go first time since I went I with the running backs yeah. How could he not. It's it's a tough positions agreed. I feel like just because of the the injuries in the flux there because like you have to factor into Sean Jackson having awesome week one. He won the gate one on the gained but he was a he was. If you're going to say what player was the biggest effect on this game was drawn Jackson yeah so it's hard to like. Give him an f you know after that you know look at Galore in his native plays in really brutal arguably losing two games for them with the fumble. Jj Bruins Day Day Day is done. You know zero nothing. Nothing not even like you know. That's the thing that's why like people people were kind of getting mad when I I tweeted out like his stats and how other behind him are outperforming him not saying Jeez careers over at my point here is that you should be doing something like you should not be giving this team nothing at at all. That's a a failure like disappointing earlier shore no doubt I think you have to go d. I think you have to give him the D. I will go. I guests for tight ends. Another kind of tough position degrade mean because you look at the got her injury and now we have that drop against the lions which was horrible but then there are so dominant dominant with him. I would give the tight ends a I'll give them give them to St Jago Bay. I had my I had my head as well. God's Goddard's performance in week four as well documented by now by just him as a blocker with Melia two catches for sixteen yards. I think it was three three targets that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of how awesome he wasn't. I came as a blogger. The two inches that he may were actually big plays one was a screen it runs down inside the five yard line and the underlining scored a touchdown on that was a lot last year to like so many receptions either first downs or touchdowns. He's very efficient. He's not like it's like racking up yardage. Sam Bradford style shorter the sticks like the impacts. Yes I agree I mean I think I have to give them a plus. If I'm including including Alex Ellison they're always at your new. Is that your new guy. He's like your new. Dj Kinney Not really I just thought it was funny the back thing and how he's been affected I mean I like Alex for what he is. One more thing we have to so numbers are down. There's good reason because the Shawn's out alshon is out I mean the lions made no bones about it they were. We're just doubling them all day as they should. Yeah I mean 'cause you're you're basically forcing the eagles to beat you with the Nelson Aguilar and Mac who can very much beat beat his own team and jj so I think his numbers are going to grow as these guys start coming back from injury and got her hope to God Rachi help or it's numbers oddly enough. Alshon will help and then when to sean comes back. That'll be a big help for clearing up short intermediate middle the field. I'm flying with this season. That hurts is as far as well yet and going to the point like a number of earth's catches. I think almost all of them is not on where for first downs against the Green Bay packers so he was again he was making impact like chain. Moving plays getting to the offensive line. I guess we agree this as a whole as a unit okay. It's a tough one because it is say Milo is I. I mean that's one of the worst games I've ever seen any player at any position have ever Alma without any hyperbole. It's really like one of the worst games I've ever seen a a player play. A game against Atlanta is horrible yeah like I kind of made gifts of all the all his worst plays and and I had like let's say like I had like twelve and I cut some things out I could easily advocate and just it was he was horrible to the point where like if if I were the eagles of our Doug Peterson I go to them and I'd be like exhibiting okay at home. God on your personal life. Is that bad Saudi factor that let him so. I was like where we said before who was the biggest reason for the Eagles winning week one and we say to Sean Jackson and I take the easy answer for who would be the biggest reason they lost and weak too for me is saying okay he was that bad and yet you often spine was so good against the packers is probably the reason they right now recently won that game to Saima's credit he has gotten past that it seems and has made significantly better obviously Alan how you play worse but he's been a legitimate left guard in the NFL since then so he's been better. The rest of the offensive line has Kelsey I think he started. Maybe a little bit. I don't see started slow because his bad is a lot better than a lot of other centers best but he's he was really really good against Green Bay and I WANNA say it was getting alliance too but after that but he's playing the way Jason Kelsey plays Lane Johnson is playing the way that it lean Johnson plays Brandon Brooks is just being able to play at all week one is incredible and I kind of like a an undercover story so far this this year now he's been able to come back from that Achilles injury and not only come back but he's been awesome like those sneaks. They don't work without him. Comeback Player of the Year Brennan Brooks. They'll never get it because he's an offensive lineman buddy show. He should be should be in the conversation while they won't get it also because he played the full season last year. Usually those awards go go to some player. That like was gone for the whole year or they just sucked for whatever reason so that won't be him. there should be some kind of award for him. Be Eh one you want to call it because his recovery from that injury coming back in the short amount of time that he did in the way that he's played came. Back is nothing short of incredible. I mean nine incoming the pro bowl at the least `specially space good for him. So what did you give them. You didn't even give him a great empire. Peter's sorry we should him too. So people are down Peter's. I I kind of agree with some people that that thought the play really well first couple of weeks but I think he's been a lot better too. I think people were you know. Kinda raised raised eyebrows a little bit when he had the illness was out for basically the entirety of the second quarter game. was that hot line team. NCAA he was overheating. He did that last year. In the Falcons team week one like he couldn't finish the game. It was like two that's right yeah so ah I kind of agree with the little eyebrow raise their but he was used very good against Green Bay so I'll go. I'll go P. Plus Yeah I was GONNA say be. I don't think it could be a given how small performed one game but there were so good against the packers so recently might be little the little bit that for me to attacked. changed my mind. I'm going be will put it there. I just think that it'd be better moving forward late. They have to continue to keep it up now. Talking to the offense will wrap up on Doug Peterson while Ah Yeah Peterson Dougie pay going to give him a b plus so starts still really frustrating big issue for this team the way that I think he has handled adversity which is again. I think a trademark of Doug Peterson like one thing you can look at him and point Ed like you can you can point to that being like a proven thing without Peterson like I think a a lot of times the coaches it's hard to like exactly Parse who who is exactly responsible and to blame for what but I think one hallmark of this team under Doug Peterson has has been their fight and I give him a Lotta credit. I mean Doug Peterson was awesome in the packers game like that was a big reason why they want back like when was Xavier road it said in the two thousand eighteen. NFC game the best combination of US yeah. I think I think honestly I would not be surprised at Gerry. Alexander was saying something similar and the packers game. I think things can get better. The offense needs to get better overall but it's it's been a good offense despite like injuries in issues with this this and given that tough circumstance against the Falcons. I'll give Dougie P. A. B. Plus. I'm a minus wow yeah. I think he's been great. I mean even beyond the packers game which everything you said I agree with in that Falcons game though I mean the way that they kind of weathered those injuries he had to change the game plan on the fly first of all you throw out almost just all like a huge percentage. Jason Kelsey was talking about this in locker room where they just throw out a huge number of running place that they had in their package for that game because Dow Scott was going to be out see how he got asked how big of a deal as douse card to the run game. He said you saw Green Bay. you saw what happened ended in Atlanta where we couldn't run the ball. Effectively bubble is because they kind of had to change the and you know what maybe we'll get to. How in a little bit five. Maybe you don't build Kinda refuting myself here but maybe it'll build a game plan so heavily around the run game with two tight right and sets would you don't have a third tight end on roster so you know you can certainly second guess that I guess but but going back to the resiliency that the thing those like intangibles that he brings to the table and the way that I think is players play for him in the way that he can get his players to play for him. You Know No. It's not something that you can point to in terms of Lega statistic or anything like that but I I really do believe in Doug that way and you know what he's kept US aggressiveness up. He's he's comfortable your burdens and in situations that warranted he goes forth now when it's warranted you look at so many other games around the NFL and that's just mind blowing that they I mean you look at what was it. I think it was a bears vikings this week. The bears have a fourth and three. I think it was at the Vikings thirty four yard landing on my job thirty four fourth and three. He's got the punt team out there stupid. Zimmer your calls a time out and said as soon as saying thank you. We'll take the ball situation. He calls a time out and then Matt Nagy thinks better of it and he goes for and they get it but he was. GonNa punt gs four three on the thirty four. You kidding me like first of all kick a field goal. If you don't WanNa go for their Kika field law we we know that field goals and Lord they're going. They're not going to go for a fourth and three hundred thirty four holy yeah. I'm not a big. Nagy guy either not at all a fraud and I. I am really not a Zimmer Guy. We'll go we'll go by who should be so anyway the the point the point to be made there is when you see all these other games around on the around the NFL and some decision making that goes on there and it's not all doug by the way who's making these fourth-down decisions. It's it's the you know the guy in the booth talking to him saying hey make sense to go oh here but hey credit him for being the coach. The aggressive coach to the is no situations because it could be way way worse with another coach. Yeah I mean Doug is humble enough to take that advice and he's also fearless enough to actually execute Chun definitely think he deserves credit in those regards now moving onto the defense this great stick downturn. WE'RE NOT GONNA go with defense event. Not just passive line you can go. I see minus. Yes yeah I mean they have what one sack the Barnett has the only see the other two are Jernigan and Sunday. Ho That's just not good enough no matter how you cut it no matter what pressure statue looking at like and some of these games. I remember like week one. I think it was like Novyny Curry and Brandon Graham and Josh Josh wet like they had all combined for like maybe one or two quarterback hits like this any way you cut it like the production is not there like it needs to be for. It is team. I'M GONNA go deep Barna had what the six hits six quarterback hits the I two zero. That's good. It's fine. You'd prefer them. I'm Debbie hits when the quarterbacks does the ball but the did affect the quarterback I guess and the Strip sack was so huge. That was a huge play but he's he's. He's clearly been there most productive edge rusher so far yes brand makes a few big plays per game in the run game has not done enough as a pass rusher in my opinion although he did give rusher after blog at her against the packers I mean a lot of pressure after blog at her kill me the tomato candidate put in place him and they've got nothing from. Kerry and they've gotten very little from swells actually owl a little pressure but on the you know pyramid curry to the chronicle backups cups they had a defensive end heading into the season last year in Chris Long Michael Bennett and difference in production is enormous. I would still like to see some day on hall. Honestly it really would cause why not it's crazy. It's crazy that that gym shorts or whoever's making those decisions. Jim Schwartz is looking at that and going to keep putting carrying being there right like and hall played finally against the Packer think he'd like to snaps in one of those he had a nice rush on right away immediately so like this why not not give a chance. Please please put obvious passing down move. Pat Move Raymond side so going over to defensive tackle them. You know leaked actually goes down. It's not only Jackson but Timmy Jernigan well and it's just such a bad luck thing because of the way the eagles like they had really gotten decimated defensive tackle last year and some of that was their fault because they invested invested Nada and that wasn't a good idea is Jericho he was done and then journey obviously they knew like he was not going to be a reliable option mm for them so some of that was their own fault last year this year though I mean they tried to fix it. They bring in me dachshund. They resigned to me journey. They trade for her son Ridgway. They made an effort to to fix this position and it was looking like a loaded head into the season and then when he was and they're not and then on cut trayvon history too. Yep Ed how that all worked out yeah but I think the biggest thing there you hit on just Cox not being even if all of those things happen. Cox was still himself like you're probably fine fine and I just don't think they're even fine at that spot now with Cox not being himself so I if I'm getting that position. Why am I going to give them anything less than the the defensive ends. I'm going to give them a d plus there as well. Maybe that's generous. Why am I give him. The plus like what does Pfizer has done a couple of plays in the backfield. Nothing like you know dominant. I'm like okay when he was when he was in there. He did have a sack and one of the only three sacks yeah but pretty disappointing moving onto the line nine backers tough to evaluate highway for me a little bit nicer random making a pretty big play in the packers game although dropping pick six earlier you know it's funny so we got the assistant coaches Monday and how you I know Kennel Joel The linebackers coach. Who's pretty good about. Just you know being in his answers. You know we're talking about. Nigel's dropped interception in now. He has a penchant for that. Somebody brought up about redeems himself. He makes the interception essentially seals the game and I'm like yeah. That was Kinda. GimMe so jost subsidy goes was was it is it is it a Guinea with him. Jot them funny but his hands are very good. Obviously obviously as we've seen he did make a big play as the umbrella guy. has it s not good. We're not good is playmaking in twenty seventeen there is there's a stretch of that season where he is run around the please all over the field at times really see that at all in twenty eight team a little bit towards the end of the year. I guess this year. What do you think I can't really recall him doing much outside of the packers game he was a big storyline packers game and he did a good job album that interception by the way his role on that play was to Kinda like Yuga. Get the attention of the of the card. He's trying to get the attention of the guard so that like he was faking a blitz trying to get the guard to believe that he was coming on a blitz and free up you know one one on one match up with one match elsewhere on the line do supposed to occupy the garbage you dead drops out of the blitz and Rogers you you know throws it now expecting him to be there because it gets. He got sort of faked out by that blitz to at. It's a heater any candidate. You can't handle it. I mean I don't know how many I don't know how many people on the planet could catch that pass route Aaron Rodgers thrown She can at a close distance. You know you don't make that play and we all look at that plan. Go on to pick six plan. How many people on the planet could actually say they make that catch. I could do it yeah. I'm sure he gets but yeah you expert you expect you expect professional ballplayer to make that play and he didn't make it but you know he did redeem himself to some degree although dough down. I don't what are you doing yeah right. Eh Down the field and see the guy like trail behind them. Guys can take a big swing. Yeah Yeah what greater you give them the linebackers the Lazy See. I would say C. minus just because like I think this doesn't matter ultimately a girl. It's not a big role in the defense. Let's just isn't It's it's hard to people wanted to be. It's just not moving to the corners man. What great can I give this group. F Plus Count as a real great sure you can have lots of I'll give them enough plus star Pike as everyone. I'll say F plus the cornerbacks. Go that harsh on him. I'M GONNA go go date. The plus for me by the way is because Rassoul Douglas. I think he's getting in week one past two weeks. He's been pretty solid. He certainly has been hasn't been the quarterback who the other defenses like. Hey look at this guy. We can pick on him like fifty times. A game like Darby was and Maddox was last week at I'll give him credit. He gave us blades this but he battled and I think asking a what is he five nine. You're asking five nine nine slot corner to all of a sudden. We got some guys you're on the outside now and we solve. Auntie play a lot of different roles as a rookie in two thousand eighteen. Maybe he world will spoil by that now. 'cause he plays safety plates. Lack only played outside corner. You played great outside corner in that Ramsey yes and then he but you know a guy gets hurt and all of a sudden unlike. Schwartz Schwartz said it in one of his injuries. He hasn't played outside corner since like the beginning of training camp still he's gotten no reps on the outside at all and then if you guys could get hurt. He's gotTa go out and he's got play him. I thought he battled. I gave up some place obviously but he made some plays I wouldn't kill him for the performance performance that he had at night high level of difficulty he could have been better but it's a high high level of difficulty with what they're asking them to do you. I mean I like Mattison. I am not one to to repair easing great this year. Now I great. He's basically a little bit of a disappointment. Maybe he'll use awesome in offseason. You thought maybe okay this could be a guy who really steps up and be playmaker He was last year but great hasn't been quite the case yet. I still have hope for him and his potential based on these shown overall. I'm so I'm sticking the F. Plus for this group. What about you. You said Darby was really bad before he got. I mean he's not a hundred percent. I think Sydney has not been great. Either said he's not been great either clearly and just the not only the injury thing which is obvious thing. I don't know man like I any more yes yes. That's a big reason why I was so down that pick nick and I think a lot of people. I think you were to kind of yeah. A lot of people were excited about that because they're like. Oh Man Retell pick. I'm not happy in that and he's not anything looking close to anything like a top fifteen page like nothing like that. The rebuttal to that is but what about Jalen Alan Smith and you know what Jalen Smith is an outstanding example of a guy that was injured. You take him later than he would have gone normally now. He's player that you know. Maybe got to steal bill but jail. Smith's are pretty few and far between like if you look at the quote unquote also Turkey Tigers yes. It took them a long time to to get over that injury and they were patient. They stuck with them and a paid off. You've factor that in and they also paid him a ton of money too. He wasn't an awesome player at a cheap price for a long time. Right is what really Liga player for cheap for one year and then they pay them but still you know he's certainly a success story in terms of dry down Jauregui but the there is a a long long list of players that were quote unquote the injury I who have not panned out and it's far more likely that they're not going to pan out then they are so it looks good on looks. It looks good on paper and leg when you do like a mock draft like those were fun guys to Kinda have in there because you think you're like you know. You're getting getting this big steel patient per year. doesn't work like more often than just doesn't work. It's never really worked for the eagles either How many can we think of other guys like Jackie Cornelius Ingram one of those guys at six that would be like it's Marshon lattimore right or the one that isn't the saints heroin the money and I think the niners took them is drafted like so the niners remember when they were like really good. You thought contenders for a long long trend bulky was there yeah they took like three or four guys like that and Melwork down natta panned out not a single one two three or four those injury is none of them worked out because because they had like not only were they like going to be contenders. Super Bowl contenders every year for a while they were overloaded with draft picks so I gotta made sense for them to do that because they are going into that redraft like eleven picks so it's like okay well. We got a good roster. If you just took a regular healthy I might roster anyway. They're taking all these into their tall. Guys and none of them worked out getting back to some Sydney that bothered me not only him getting toasting coverage but the the tackle attempts on the Air Jones owns touchdown run it. He can't wrap them up like he just dragged him into the end zone. I remember the play and I remembered the second effort by Jones. I didn't know that's that's. I've been an issue with Sydney's this place. Frankly it's not good enough. I'm sure you remember being back not as win office on Jeffrey dislike reconstruct him and they called opioid Hi Sean on that play but still like it's not a good look if you're an NFL player in you're just getting late bodied out there on the field and I think that's something that's happened the Sydney. I don't love it like so like his lack of strength. That's that's sort of lesser concern like the actual place strength on the field. Jim Schwartz talks about he's talked about this on a couple of different occasions but the one that we really went into it like he's like you know. I've I've coached some cornerbacks that are four hundred pound benchers meaning. They bench four hundred pounds and you know they're they're. They're strong in that way and when you get when they play on the field you don't see evidence of that necessarily in their game on the field but he said what does due you to be like that sort of that that's a strength in the way Rome is it allows them to play sixteen games were sitting. It didn't just doesn't have that kind of strength and he's going to be at a disadvantage in terms of being able to stay healthy safety Malcolm Jenkins. I think has been Malcolm's inking. He's just a freaking football player. They sound like you know Dorky. football talk but the the blocked field goal against. Detroit it come on that's awesome. I mean it would have been even more often if the eagles actually Riley game in justify that because I would have gotten more play intention Malcolm jeans huge- hugely important for the team in a big reason why the team should do it at some point definitely reward him as I'm sure you'll hear in a Bijon radio sports minute on the protest Brian Macleod Rodney McLeod. I think has been underrated. Yes he had some big plays in this packers game breaks up that touchdown Jimmy Graham on the feed he it blows up the RPO on. I think third and goal to set up fourth and goal. I think Rodney has been underrated especially given expectation of him coming into the season the coming off this. ACL FIVE MCI suffered last year. He's been great yet like guys that suffer serious injuries. WanNa have last year every year. They come back back. You know when their timetable has come to fruition in their back on the field and they're practicing in whatever those guys always get asked you know how you feel on. Are you back to one hundred percent. Blah Blah Blah Blah and those guys will always one hundred percent of the time say yeah you know I feel great that by knees totally back back in fact I think it feels better and then they get on the field and they're clearly not hundred percent with Rodney. He looks like he's back under percent Yup. He's I think his speed need. I mean he's never like a blazer to begin with but whatever speed he had before I think he's regained that fully. I would give these safeties a we're. We're not gonNA talk about Sendero. Honestly I don't want to in the sense of like. I wish we didn't have to talk about him because he was on the team. Fortunately he is and we do have to talk about this. I mean Minnie the huge play in the packers that pedio sure yet that Saves Eagles four points right there but man. I think the bad clearly has outweighed the good with Andrew Sunday host so far especially when you're factoring in that he's GonNa cost you a fourth-round Compaq. If he's on this roster the big play that he did he had the bad bad of the big bad play anyway that had was Atlanta where Darby is it looks like Darby's beaten on the play by Calvin on the touchdown in the back of the end zone but if you watch that play we talked about that appointing quarters on that right yeah I live. He just doesn't drop agent while he got he quote on Bites on nothing chip. Kelly Kelly phrase he bit the cheese but there was no cheese like there is nothing even there but he was biting pompey bid up on something and way out of position and then he realized that the ball's about the over his head and he's like a any tries to recover from back when he's not even close to to play when really makes that catch and you know what's what's funny is that I think I I think we talked about this already but the tell that with Jim Schwartz on on those kinds of places you ask them like should Darby have gotten help Bamut and if he has an opportunity to sort of save a player that he knows that questions going but he knows that the question is is is thinly veiled as did Andrew Sunday screw that play out and if he has the opportunity to to sort of stick up for a player then any will if he if the answer is yes that player screwed up. His answer is always going to be yeah. You guys know that I'm not going to answer those kinds of clubs now. It's a dead giveaway. That player screwed up. I mean we we didn't even need Schwartz to answer that question. He's not getting coverage is really is really the easy easy way to put it. I'M GONNA say I guess be for the SAFETIES. I'm going to be wow that's fair. Send really hurts them. I think Jim Schwartz I think Jim Schwartz I think for as much as the defense has had some struggles that I guess I'm kind of going to get into this a little bit more. How we I don't think there's so much on Schwartz as they are Howie heading Jim Schwartz for frustrating as he can be the way he has handled what he has to work with overall the I think he was a huge reason why they almost win that Falcons game. I mean had three turnovers a great yeah and the way like the defense really picked it up there so I know people get frustrated that sorts. I know people always want to Schwartz fired. I am not among those I looked at the lions scheme the the only gave up our twenty. I guess it was twenty in that game and six of those were off turnovers. I think Schwartz is definitely still I would classify him as a a good defensive coordinator. I think he's top quarterly yeah and so. I'm going to give him a rather. The gripes with Schwarzer very nitpicky and I think he doesn't get enough. Read it for her. Scheming up plays that the that the players aren't executing so we already talked about the Nigel Brad an example for jobs they faked drops in the covers Roger Restores play. He's got the play this year where they run a zone blitz and Fletcher Cox drops in the coverage of the throat right to make play so like he's generating these opportunities to have these huge big play turnovers and the players aren't always executing them. I usually get credit for those because the player didn't make the play Um so. I think there's a lot of that going on too but the I I don't think he's above criticism. There are certain things that you can look at that. He does that art that is deserving of criticism awesome but I think oftentimes way over the top and Super Nitpicky in our I'm GonNa be plus with Schwarzie while people are GonNa be mad. I know you're you're out care Howie Roseman. You can go first. I give first for shorts yeah. There's good and bad. I think the old guy strategy needs to go. Oh into the shed at work that one year twenty seventeen where they he hit on a lot of low-cost older guys and it's just not working this year like those guys are getting hurt. The ones that aren't getting hurt aren't performing for the most part not in love with the free agent acquisitions than he made this off season buskens say they got enough out of the draft. I mean they're only making five Pixie to last two years and that certainly factors into how how he strategize that I fear that they're gonNa do is together. GonNa give to a give up too much for some kind of player whether it's in one of the three guys that we already discussed or someone that's not even on the radar at the trade deadline but you know this. This is a when we actually went into a little bit of detail in during the last episode about how he did not have good off-season in our opinions slow harsh 'cause does he did win the Super Bowl but I'm going to go see houses. AC MINUS GUY to be issues. You brought up to me secondary. Yeah the issues with those units backed on players that the that you know we're coming back from injury or injury prone the pass rush. They didn't do enough to ensure that Jim Schwartz could run scheme the way that he wants to run yeah and the young guys who are at those positions like Barnett who these men bad but you know incident Jones in Brazil again I got you're not getting WHO's. The Star like where's The star Talent Yam the sponge. They're not hitting on stars with how he picks specifically so let's say. I don't think he's done amazing. I would say a little bit below average so I guess that's why I'm putting on a C. minus okay so that was a super long segments are super long break back after this Jimmy Campsie with a BGN radio minute in the Eagles win over the packers on Thursday Night Eagles Safety Andrew Deo aol was criticized for lowering the crown of helmet and striking teammate of automatics and the head Maddox was taken off in a stretcher and snowflakes everywhere criticized Sunday. Oh for UH recklessly endangering another player since when did Philadelphia becomes such a soft town. This was the city that rightfully cheered when Michael Irvin had his career cut short when he suffered a head injury on the eagles turf in nineteen ninety nine. Since when do we have to change the diapers of every her player and Rub Vasa lean all over there hines and tell them that it special. I'm I'm different from everyone. Else's this football and frankly if I'm the eagles. I'm taking the money that OTA skipper. Malcolm Jenkins wanted and I'm giving it to Andrew Sunday help Bob Jimmy Kamsky with this. BGN Radio Minute yet Sports Radio Rebecca here Radio Episode Three Young Gotten to become ski your Ambient Radio Timmy. Finally we have arrived. there really isn't a ton to say about this game in the sense that this is a team eagles us. I feel like to me. I think you'll agree with me. This should this beat up on this team. They really should. I don't think there's people are trap game like stop. Don't know what a trap game means means. If you're seeing this is attracting and I hate that phrase so that no one knows what trap gaming trap game does not mean that your team plays a bad team and it's automatically like a trap because you're expected the beat them by lot no games in the NFL were good teams play horrible teams and they just beat the crap out of them. Look at the dolphins this year yes. It's not a trap. It's just that the jets are terrible. Their offense is like pretty much last in every category. Sam Darnold is in my opinion not gonNA play. Would you agree with that. Jimmy yet doesn't he's. GonNa play like how how could they will. Ny You're rushing game to play. He hasn't been having engages in as ain't person so I can understand them rushing him to play or I can understand that they will do that and I think we discussed. There's a loss pod but that lean with monod I it can be it can be enlarged and invitation ahead on it. It can rupture and you can die from that so like they gotta be really has been clear for contact yet. I mean we're all as as you know you and I cover the eagles fans or fans of the team. We've been beaten to death by the phrase clear contact you know all last off season with Carson Wentz. Yeah he has not been clear for contact yet and any problems won't be yeah exactly it if he does play. How good is he going to be first of all. We're not talking about Aaron. Rodgers here like a hell of a sudd- is Sam darnold like this. you know scary quarterback quarterback to face it doesn't matter if he plays or not who cares they'd sixteen points in week one when he started against a good bills defense but still one of the most expensive touchdown to you by the way they they one offensive touchdown this year of the jets one offensive touchdown and another thing with the the quarterback situation is like with the uncertainty that Donald might not be able to go they they have to prepare. Luke Falk the start right so it's not even like Donald is taking the full workload reps and practice this week correct these not one hundred percent capacity at all and again from what I was hearing in reading and seeing like Donald wasn't conditioning when he's been away since he's had mono and this this is the first week he's been getting back into actually throwing a football so like again. He's not gonNA be at one hundred percent even if he did play in the unlikely likely event so far as bad as the defenses and I get a team to be hanged up right now for sure and I get it's concerning because like you have a gimpy Sidney Jones you have Orlando Scandal you have Craig Deans and then reveal out there. It's not a great group yeah but I mean I feel like those guys are good enough have to get by this kind of Luke. Falk led offense yet like when this when this line came out and I saw was fourteen like it's a little rich like but I always look at it from the Eagle's perspective like the Eagles aren't they like Mike Vehicles haven't shown enough to be fourteen point favorites over anyone and then when I started looking harder harder this jets team. I'm like wow that's a bargain like. I didn't watch be higher. Actually of you did this. Jets team is is straight offensively anyway defenses. The defense isn't good either but at least average they have some good players like Alex really good. CJ mostly might not play but he is going to play and they'll get Clinton Williams back. It looks like extremely talented player but only played a little bit in week one and then got hurt but this offense the quarterback is obviously I mean you're talking about an undrafted guy who's years ago who is on his third team and it was a third quarterback behind darnold and trevor. Do you see that Trevor Siemian injury by the way we know disgusting yeah. I'm glad I didn't yeah I try to avoid seeing those and I saw that with my accident and it was gross but yeah I mean. He hasn't been good in two games plan. I mean they had the the total yards in in those two games is. I think it's under four hundred arch right around there so they're never passed for. Just under three hundred games and lady on bell has done nothing. Their offensive offensive line is horrible. It's it's awful if the eagles can't get pressure against offensive line is huge. I mean we are already think there's there's a problem. It is a huge problem. They can't get anything against against this crap. I mean there's his taken seven sacks so far okay bell is averaging under three yards a carry two point nine edge against snatch the steam bishops smash them. They should be taught them. They should be deceived by like four touchdowns it should be they should not say they should they should cover the span definitely at the very least the jets leading tight end right now is Ryan Griffin who has four receptions for fifteen yards 'cause herndon handed suspended and like their leading receiver is Jamison crowder who needed some things in Washington but like he's your best ask receiver. I don't think he's their best receiver is based motor right now right by me. You Know Luke. Falk isn't getting getting ready. Anderson deep balls yeah and obviously when you know like that's one of the biggest only on might be the only thing you have to worry about. The offense is I don't get deep literally allow Ryan Griffin Award crowded do whatever they want underneath yes. Yes don't get beat up by Rabbi Enersen in your fine. Yes I definitely think the the eagles like I feel like four. I think their offense could have some slow moments We seen him start slow. They're not going to have to Sean probably this week. The jets fence isn't bad. I think six opponent yards per attempt. I don't think it's just like the eagles are GonNa cut through the jets defense like a hot knife through butter necessarily the whole game but I think they're going to have enough possessions on offense because of the jets offense won't be on the field and honestly I mean the eagles could score some defensive points in this game with how bad that data is going to be where I think. This one is really cut and dry any kind of path to victory for the jets yeah. That's the that's the thing so I guess that looks. It's like like winning. Williams coming in wrecking Somali like guided Jarrett did and some kind of it would have to be some kind of like defensive slash special teams touchdown for the jets. They have three of them this year. They have those apply pick six by CJ Moseley week one Yup hip who's not going to play this week. They had a garbage muffed punt touchdown against the Patriots Patriot for thirty nothing at the time they they have some scrub back. They're feeling positive. Often jets jumped on it for a touchdown and then they had a pick six even even the later in that game by Jamal Adams when Tom Brady was already out of the game itself they have three defensive touchdowns but really only one of them mannered. That was the one week one against the bills. a couple closing notes on this jets matchup here. The kicker thing isn't issue to Samphan has has not for Penn State. Alumnus Sanford has not attempted to kick for them yet but in his career in regular seasons two or three in the midst from the thirty to thirty nine range in these four at five on extra point attempts we saw the debts have kicker issues in the preseason when they're playing the eagles so I mean even if this game somehow does come close. Maybe taker blows it. A couple more stats on wanting to read for you. Jimmy go and deliver kicker analysis there. I mean you know I gotTa bring it in. Our is notable label for something else. What did he do. Wasn't he like the Penn State didn't he. Yes he went to Penn state he was. I said that to me. You know I'd swine. He's at the rim. I mean he made. He missed a like a lot of kids for them. If I recall I think so. I'm not Penn State Guy Myself. We gotta get a Lombardo on the phone. Yes carry these depth. Stats you go right ahead. the eagles are ten in. Oh in ten all time games against the jets so I just think that's a little interesting in the sense that I knew some jets fans growing up and they would always give me crap as an eagles fan growing up. Tell me how the US never won the Super Bowl but now that the the super bowl in the jets never jet fans. Were riding you about no super bowl. When I was the sixties come on now. Uh Not quite that oh no no no no the jets super bowl is in like the sick rice point being eagles fans have they can take their. There's no room to take any crap from Jeff. Smith Breath Right Adam Gates is thirteen and twenty four in his last thirty seven needs as high coach. The jets are two and seven on the road since the start of two thousand eighteen guy. That's Y'all think we really need to go much further than just terrible so I don't know I look the jets team sucks. I think anyone trying to get worried about trap game or anything psyching themselves out way too much and I think this one's cut and dry win this game by Multiple Sports Carson Wentz is going to continue to look good. The defense will be able to hold on against this underpowered Jeff offense the Eagles win. They advanced three and two and all of a sudden. They're in a pretty pretty decent spot after giving where they were a couple of weeks ago. Eagles thirty eight jets thirteen. I didn't even get my scripts. I go right ahead. Hello have anything more than than I was. GonNa say thirty one to six okay. Wow Yeah so we have. We have the same any margin of victory then so they definitely cover. She'll be convincing. One should be a if of all those according to add that should should be a relatively stress free Sunday of course legals. We always find a way to make it more stressful than they should but this has been be generating code eighty three. I have been branding the gum. 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Babes On Broad #13: The Vibe Game

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Babes On Broad #13: The Vibe Game

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I get super grumpy after Eagles Games especially when obviously only when they lose but like to the point where Joe's like the worst thing about dating you is how grumpy you are after losses and he gets really annoyed with me and I'm just like let me just be angry for a little bit to get over it myself and then it'll be fine by the next morning and fine except when they lose on Sunday night football I think about it all night when they lost analysis didn't sleep that night and Monday. I was exhausted by five Monday. I'm just like okay. Let's look at this objectively. Let's talk about it. Let's figure figure it out and the the most disappointing thing to me is the fact that Tom Brady played awfully awfully as he did. The Eagles defense played as well as they did and the eagles offense couldn't pull it together enough in the second half. I mean seventeen ten. That's not the the game you were thinking you were going to say no not at all my thing about that. What you said? Is Tom Brady Dade look not good. But I think it's because is the eagles are our defense did perform very very well but then also the weather. I think played a lot until it's very windy. Hold thrilling the first time. I feel like it's been that Kohl. Yeah I definitely think there was a lot more wind on the field. We thought it will Heidi up in the seats. But I think based on the way that the goalposts were moving I think it was swirling a lot worse on the field than we thought granted and I only say that because Carson Wentz and Dan. Tom Brady both through that. Many ugly ugly Erin passes that in. The same game doesn't completely happen. I definitely think think Tom's lost a step here and there I also but he'll and went out of terrible game but I think the wind had a lot more to do with it. I agree that also our defense. They did great but the one thing they had four dropped passes four chances intercept. Tom And I think that lesson at G. if they could catch they'd wide receivers not on this team tron. They are wide receivers on this team. I'll get it's all happening. It's all the same. I think that could have. I mean it would have been definitely some momentum. I I don't know if it would have given US points. Offensive played terrible. Yep but I mean that's a difference too I mean I'm not saying catch Hor but catch one of them. Yeah and also a couple of right eight to them Jim. Schwarzer's should just be walking around all week with both of his middle fingers up never found out just to everyone. Tom Brady was playing bad or Dane representing resembling good. No I'd be. They played the D. Shutdown. Tom Brady laid phenomenal. And everyone wanted to call Jim Schwartz head after Atlanta Eliana after Detroit. Everyone wanted to talk about how he can't make adjustments. He doesn't know what he's doing. Why are you playing ten yards off the ball? Well we'll if we remember you and I talked about it. His corners couldn't cover and the best thing they could do was play ten yards on the ball and now when he has the correct correct personnel for it. His corners. Playing up there. Pressing on the receivers at scrimmage. They're running with them. Stride for stride breaking up passes and it's giving the defense time the defensive line time to get to the quarterback. Tom Brady spent a lot of time on the ground on Sunday. He did already does not spend that much time on the ground. He was only sacked once but he was hit. Allow hit a long vinny. Curry had a couple in there. I know he was in the backfield. A lot brand Graham dot one nice and early and I I. I seriously said I was like all you just need Brandon Graham to get in Tom. Brady's face hope of his pants and it'll be fine. Yeah I mean it was fine except for the offense. It's not to think not not only. Was it a low scoring game. But Tom Brady. Didn't have a touchdown. Touchdown came from Ataman. Hey Julie Middleman me to do what I know. So many people were didn't agree with dirty on. Maddox all know bullock dishes. Defense and I was like this just came back from a neck brace. And you're hanging on his neck pulling backwards. Words is laser suck on radio. You didn't need that you didn't have the ball at that point in your support him down on the ground. Rows Rodney McLeod made a comment and he said something Along the lines of now. Don't quote me on this specifically but he said you know those are the things you see from Eshelman on tape and he said we'll use the word chippy. He didn't WanNA say straight up. Say like a dirty player but he said you know will use the word They're not wrong. You you see it every now and then a lot of gates now it might be like a little man syndrome. Kind of thing won't got for it. He's not he's not the most talented guy that everything out the guy that let a guy and he works really hard right obviously. He's the role. MVP reason deserved that pay hard. Yeah you know. I think he works to to be a decent receiver. Lincoln you know. He's a person that they've talked. What about is he a hall of Famer or not? There's a line there's a there's A. There's a chippy line. There's a vigil got out in a neck brace and you're hanging on his neck come on but you know over the course of the Season Eagles defence is Kinda. been the what's improved. They were the bright spot on Sunday or for shore fourth in a rush yards per game allowed ninth in total yards per game allowed Yeah Yeah Tom Brady End Carson. They were super-duper close on total yards. They had to sixteen to fourteen not. Isn't that weird. Yeah one of the ball Forty seven twenty six forty seven so so about the same was twenty completions there too. He had not too bad. Carson was twenty for forty two hundred fourteen yards and a touchdown carson was also sacked five times. That was the most asked all his twelve times. Hit Twelve Times twelve times satisfy. I mean so and a a lot of people want to jump on the holding the ball too long and you know my bet Co host Rob Lange and I talked about this yesterday and rob. I think said it really well. He said he has. Is that hero Jean. He wants to be the hero and I don't think he necessarily wants to be the hero for like a personal ego. Kinda thing like he never wants to quit on a play like I think he just. He knows that he had him himself. Has the talent to make something happen but at this point hue after. No you can't rely on other people to make it happen. If that makes sense yes and I think when you look at it you look at the breakdowns and you look at you. Know the the coaches film and you kind of see. He's he's only looking at one half of the field he's not he's looking at one half non the other half that's coaching. He's being coached to do that is doug. Is it. Press Taylor the quarterbacks coach is Mike grow who knows and then sometimes the rats aren't there. I don't know if you saw the clip of it was supposed to be a three step. Get rid of the ball right away and it was a little rug route between got it and I think think Abdur was the other one got on the outside and I think Adler was was inside. They were just supposed to quick and be right there with the they they were running like it was like a non contact not as instead of like in a real. NFL game against one of the best defense in the league. So explosive you mean does not have it all and it was so obvious. Obvious what they were doing like Dallas Goddard like feeder in quicksand. And he's been terrible a protecting the football catching in protecting the football. The touch the touchdown that was ruled an interception that should should have been ruled in it. And I mean he's the one who had that I fumble against the cowboys in Dallas and you know has had a couple significant drops this year. You're an Dallas got a lot of promise last year so to me. That goes back to coach it. Dude I feel something like that goes on Doug for the most part. Because he's the ultimate goes back to 'cause he's the overall coach he's seeing how they run their practices the effort they give and he obviously is just saying. It's Okay I. It's it's his job if migros letting him get away with it. It's his job to be like Yo may come pick it up. Make them get into it. The things that might grow has said upset me in ways that I can't even he'll offended Nelson Ag Laura when Nelson Defend himself Nelson. Excuse about hitting the ground too hard had the ball in his hands when he hit the ground yard but he did say that he should have caught it. Yes yes. Miguel can't even admit that no I'm trying to. I have to find the tweet from the other day that made you feel beaten up not that one be. LG tweeted a quote from micro and my favorite thing that Bill G. Does is tweets quotes from microbes. The press conferences because some of them are so ridiculous and funny. Oh yeah micro said. The Eagles are GonNa work harder this week than they did last week. Might why didn't you. You're playing the day on Patriots you're playing an NFL team. I don't care if you like you're playing an NFL team. That clearly wants some revenge on you. Maybe he said that before just and he meant it up. This is his press conference literally. Two days ago this day presser on ended up. Maybe it was a repeat any saying they're gonNA we don't work harder now against the Patriots By Week you'd hope was no micro says. The Eagles are GonNa work harder this this week than they did last week. Great Awesome. I would like you to work hard every week but that allows me especially going against Tom Brady right. I know there are a lot of the problems with the with the offense and micro side. I think he is a problem with the offense. They got away from the run game as well but that also a a lane Johnson went down that hurt him a lot. Yes I had a style shoot. Where is it lucky talk? Let's talk about this run game now. Here here is my problem. They needed another receiver. They knew Sean. Jeffrey was banged up. Already got a little bit more banged up against the Chicago bears so they brought in a receiver. The first day of the bye week take signed him. The first day they were able to Going into practice great Jordan Howard gotTa Stinger Against the Chicago bears and was not not cleared for contact. Now Doug said Oh we were optimistic about it. But it's at times like that where they also put Darren sproles on I R so that was another one of a it was sore. It was partially torn. But they thought Rehab would be fine well then it. The hip flexor was fully torn. You now his they put him on. I R on Wednesday. They still waited until Friday to bring in. Jj Friday you had the bye week. And now why was Darren sproles not put on I r sooner and why did you wait until Friday to bring Jae in the problem. The problem I have. They're all well. He knows the the man hasn't hasn't played in a year. He has done anything and because it was so late. They didn't have a damn helmet. That fits right so he couldn't play. That aggravates me in ways. I can't even tell Ellia going along. With the fact that out of nowhere. alshon calf injury never healed at now is an ankle injury. Somehow after a bye week having a week off I o understanding understanding what did you do or the. I don't understand how they're handling anything. No you're either like I. I give the Eagles so much credit for the way they handle things sometimes. They have completely butchered every single situation. This year burchard completely arden with Sean and granted. You can't force a grown man to have surgery. If he has options like I get it we can highly recommend and explain. This is his first major injury like that and I don't know I just think I think we talked about it last week. I believe some of it is overvaluation. Some of it is grossly under performances by Serbia but also so like handling the situation as they come to you now with the defensive side of the ball. I think everything's been handled five offense really. This has just been you know what show like. It's been a freaking mess mess a dumpster. Fire Mess it's they on the verge of dumpster fire and and I think this may cross them into full dumpster fire it is. That was bad dude. This data was looking appreciate so lane Johnson. Obviously that's a big effect in fact like I said on their wrong game yet so he played three drives before going out with a concussion so the three drives he was in the team recorded one hundred and forty seven yards and that's when they scored their ten endpoints. That's good the final seven drives without Johnson. The team recorded no points and get it get this thirty six yards. Watch a hundred and forty seven yards to thirty six in double the amount of drugs and that actually I think I missed the final final drive. So there's a couple couple more but still so getting away from the run game after Lane Johnson goes down I get it I do just because he's so good at what he says. Him and Brandon together are so good on that side which is why they just extended brandon. Yeah the fact that they just what do they do from here in the passing game like what more is there to do. I get Carson was terrible on Sunday I get him. He was bad he was really really bad. He and I actually heard trae. I say earlier in the week you know these guys are NFL. Open Carson. Doesn't trust them. He will never say it. Doug will never say I would not trust them either. You can see it. Yeah and what right like person remind would trust them right. I 'cause that's even thing like that. Basically what we already mentioned. He's trying to be the hero. You can be the hero on your part but you don't look like a hero if you don't have a hero on the other side of the wreck and he doesn't have that now ever he trusts. I think he trusted Jordan. Mathews with like one jump ball in matthew dry heat it. Yeah I know exactly what when you're talking about and I will give. Jj awaits credit. He caught whatever came his way he. He thought he played well on Sunday. A few relatively catches one was called back for a penalty which is unfortunate but I thought he played really well. Do we move into discussing Nelson Igor. So now he's Knee injury right now. He did come down on that meek really hard he does not our fault. He can't read a ball in his uncoordinated when he looks up trying to readable. Okay okay which one are you more about the last play okay. You're the first. One livers caught the ball and like because there is no it it was right like yes it would have been want legs to catch. You have to think about you have to stretch out. You have to be conscious in your head where you are on the field. Yes keep your chosen. Yes he he was just running trying to catch the ball like it was just valiant wariness is impeccable and he was out of the end zone already one foot that he called his back foot he could have already about. He couldn't buy outs but he just ran through it like it was just like oh practice ball. He can't track a ball to save and I and what have you watch film him playing at USC. Like I don't understand what happened in my mind. That's a mental mistake because everybody's been talking about his hands and all that stuff so in his mind I think he was just guy catchable. GotTa catch the ball guide catchable instead of every single receiver knows you run to that line. It doesn't matter if you pass that line or not you catch it. You run to line you keep your feet in you stretch. You know that I know that and I am a twenty four cornhole volleyball player. What it's just a shame because and I don't think he didn't give effort on that play as much as he like the one in Dallas where he didn't stretch his earning? It's a lack of awareness a lack of awareness that you have to like any. NFL receiver you have to at least make an effort to keep your feet bounce there. I know it's a tough catch. I'm not not sitting here. Saying he was standing there with no one around him in place you know it was the easiest catching the world. It's not but at this point. He's a fifth year. NFL receiver getting paid nine and a half million dollars to quite literally catch the ball. That's why I'm saying. It literally was a mental mistake in his mind. He had to be like Launches catchable end when it comes to the last play their last offensive. Play the game first. Second and third down I have no lights with Carson wise was doing no idea carson unbelievably some of the worst throws I've ever eaten a Made period but that last ball to Nelson or or he threw it off his back foot he got hit he put enough air under. It was a perfect father and first of all. He contorted his body into a pretzel which he didn't need to do. He looked so uncoordinated. He didn't need to do that. One second of all it still hit him in the hands and he couldn't Control it to the ground. That's my biggest issue. If it hits you in the hands I'm AG- I agree. I'm not saying it was an easy catch. I'm I'm still going to sit here and tell you it was a tough catch to me but a fifth year. NFL Receiver who was a first round draft. Pick DOC Games online game on the line. Perfect ball you gotta track that better. You have to track better and you have to come down with that. It hits you in the hands hands and then you say I hit the ground too hard and I get it like especially if he's hurt now and like it hurt you that bad and your body just kind of freaked Out Like I WANNA I wanna get it but like at this point. It's so hard because it's happened so many times with him that it's so hard to stand stand up for him and defend him exactly. My point is okay so like yeah that might her. You could walk off the field dude. It wasn't a serious injury and now I just I just feel like he's mantle. I don't think I don't want to ever say that like an injury is not an injury or whatever but I do. I have a hard time believing. It's a serious as him needing this practice dress for his knee daily when he going into. It's obviously very mental. He deleted his social media. Is was just instagram's just throw so. He deleted pleaded his instagram. And stuff like that so a lot of mental the post game he was very emotionally sound like he was about cry. He's got that texted you. Will you had that on your update. I was like this is so crunchy taken off please. I can't listen to it again now. People needed to hear it. Course now I don't I don't disagree and I do feel for him I I do I do too but it's just happened so many times. I'm just like that's where the one thing we are female. So we're low emotional. Select idea I feel so so bad warm in this like. That's your job Dude. You got it. I'll feel badly Alshon last year. That Miss Catch. I felt terrible for that because he didn't do that last year at one time. And it's a big time. That sucks Nelson. You do it all the frequent time. Big Game lead us down and you keep doing it. Yeah I feel bad for you but no dude. It is junior up that many times at my job. We don't there are repercussions you know. I'M NOT GONNA sit here and screen for him to get cut. I'm not GONNA do that. That's not you you know who I am but like I just. I don't know what to do like I don't know what the eagles do you know they. They wouldn't settle for anything less than a second second round pick forum which I think was silly. Yeah this one I think was an overvaluation. Oh Yeah I think Alshon is under performed because anybody's GonNa sit here now. He has. Everyone was excited about that extension. When they gave it to? Everyone was excited. I hoped he would step up and continue because I. I've said many times on here on any other show I've been on. He had a phenomenal season. In two thousand seventeen it was a hell of a bounce back year and that Super Bowl win does not happen without Nelson. OBE AGUA that final touchdown drive Zakar. It's he had three receptions two for eighteen eighteen yard at one for ten yards and they were all great catches. It doesn't happen without Nelson Adler angry. I hold firm with that but he has been a disappointment since you. We'll have to go to break so I can't wait now. You're listening to Babes on broad on Blaine Green Nation Radio Baseball. Truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every week. Along with John Stolnis. Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Shrunk as we discussed all the ways the phillies have hurt us on our podcast hidden season As well as historical anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on our other shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribe to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stats stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at us. Welcome back into our our second segment of this episode Babes on broad so now we need to after breaking down the loss to patriots. We need to go into this week's matchup Gotcha with the seahawks so the seahawks are coming in playing extremely well. That's actually one of the better divisions in football. All right now you know. That's they're pretty much the reason why there's not gonNA be any option to get into the playoffs without winning without winning the division They're playing really well right now. Coming off a couple of coming off a phenomenal win over the San Francisco Forty niners. Who are one of the best teams in football right now? Russell Wilson is the front runner for MVP at the moment We'll him and Lamar Jackson. Personally I like Lamar Jackson but I also I also love watching Russell. Wilson play I think he's extremely dynamic it. He was a guy who was drafted to be a project. Ended up beating out the starting quarterback In training camp and going on and has a has had a really great career so far this this year. He's playing at that. MVP level twenty three touchdowns two two interceptions nuts and Yeah there you know he the the offensive line. It's still the offensive line. He still getting hit a lot. He's still getting beat up back twenty seven times. Oh my God. Isn't that terrible. That's actually really awful. How many times is Carson Winston? Says I don't know twenty five not also not but he also got five in the last game. That's true the and that was the that was the worst I won't be at four against Chicago. Gregan Buffalo three against Dallas to against Minnesota once against the jets. He was not sacked at in Green Bay remember. We talked about that. How great they were and yeah three against Detroit three against Atlanta one against the Redskins so and you know we got into all had had whatever this is going to be an interesting matchup? I'm pretty sure. Russell Wilson is undefeated against the Eagles in his career. Some of the Games in some of a game against Seattle have probably comment like the worst possible times in the seasons as well. One of them was two thousand in fourteen when the eagles were not playing well obviously that you know Carson Wentz wasn't here he added. It was still chip Kelly. Russell Wilson came in here and just steamrolled them in December that wasn't fun in Two Thousand Sixteen Carson Wentz his rookie year. We all remember that game. That was the Nelson Aguilar game with the Greg Lewis. Look not face. That means the year they went to the Super Bowl. They won the Super Bowl. They went out to Seattle and that was their first Harry months remember. They just don't play Seattle but I think that this different defense and if everyone plays the way they're supposed to they come out with a win. What do you think yeah? I don't know now I said last week on both of this podcast in the morning show. We always talk about the vibes going into it and everybody had divide sad that if they were gonna be either the patter the seahawks they would go and take one from Tom. Brady and I felt opposite. I chose last week. THEM TO LOSE Tom And I always had a good feeling about this. Being the upset game for some reason even though the seahawks are pretty strong right now eight into I don't know why really really going with the whole Jamie Lynch the. NFL is weird. But I do think actually to. It's kind of a redemption game. They played a really really bad last week. Like the offense and so I think I expect them to come out and play well and redeem themselves. You know scientists. I don't know what to think right now. A little on the edge in the moment took I think our defense do well the only thing. Obviously you've got to be concerned. Brussels rushing it really gone up against so rushing. QB like a really strong rushing this year. Not Dad at a gun attack and Josh Allen in Buffalo. Yeah so that concerns me because Got Away with it. Maybe eight yards on a quarterback sneak and understand how that freaking awesome. And that's the thing is they don't really expect that from this. I feel like they should. At least you speak prepared. Because you know he's GonNa run. I I really don't know what to think at this point. I'm on the edge but my vibes. Do say they get it. It's it's close so birds birds I if I'm on the edge of Mali shoes in the birds baby back the biggest concern for me. You will be the offensive line and yet there's a lot of laying off lanes going back from his concussion on some people the guys my morning show they keep saying they think he will be back concussions. They take super seriously now. If certain amount you're out if it was bring that lane could just be like I'm GonNa tough through concussions Russians. Not Not something teams. Let you talk to her. And I wouldn't want him to. I Agree I. It's very serious and it's tough because now now doug came out and said they put dillard there. I don't know about the I mean that's the right thing I mean I don't know they know their best options so I truly believe he's probably the best option but trade talked about today. He didn't say that he shouldn't be there because obviously they have to fill the hole but he did say about how hard it is to go from the left side to right yes. He's Oh simple. Yeah it's not. It's not and so for trae. Thomas obviously having a career like his to say that. That's a hard thing to do a rookie coming in trying. We do it against a good team. You know it's GonNa be hard. It's a hard thing to do. And especially that's I mean. Think about exactly what they're gonNA do with that they're gonNA put Judean W.. Cloudy Right in front of Andre Diller. Now I have opinions about w cloudy and I'm going to put them out right now. I want here. I don't know if he's all my tweet. A couple of weeks ago when he had that spectacular spectacular game against the forty niners fumble return for a touchdown or interception for pick. Six he was all over. Are Jimmy Garoppolo. Here's my opinion and everyone just kept tweeted out is three pass deflections. Yes he was. Everyone just kept tweeting talking about all. Howie really dropped the ball on this one he openly? We've got some breaking news from schefter coming in. What did he say where it's about Myles Garrett? We'll all all up twitter's I have the full quote right here and we can read that in a second but my will issue is. I can't watch a phenomenal all performance from anybody in the NFL without seeing tweets about how he didn't get them and I know that that clowney was was someone who was available. He didn't go for much. But but here's here's the logic there. When looking at the eagles defensive line they had Fletcher Cox Inside Ride Maliki Jackson inside they had Tim Jernigan for the inside. They had Brandon Graham Vinny Curry Josh Sweat Derek Barnett. They didn't didn't need any more run stopping and cloudy throughout his career has been a phenomenal run stopper at a middle love. The pack pass rusher. We needed pass rushers. We didn't mean run stoppers. So I see why Howie Roseman didn't go out there and and give up. Put everything on the line right. Yeah it makes sense to me now. People might disagree with that and that's fine now the way that I see what you're saying like it that's Zazi That's where so the fact that he played as well as he did in the pass. Rush game against the forty niners and absolutely took advantage of Mike mcglinchey Glenn g who went to Penn Charter charter sucks. Gi Over Penn Charter. Just getting Penn Charter Penn Charter Charter. She charter as a fine attention. Germantown Academy alum and I will ride or die with till the end always but anyway Mike will go. Gee actually graduated the same year I did so oh are four years in high school playing against Penn Charter. It was it was against my nuts. We like are the same age as people just like making millions of millionaire craze like first round draft pick making dollars him and Darryl Worley actually who was almost an eagle both It was it was very cool to see somebody who I watched play school. Glenn play at Notre Dame and then get drafted. It's very cool. However having cloudy had his way with him during that game a couple of weeks ago I love just watching sensational NFL performances? I like sports. I like I like seeing things like that. That was a spectacular performance from him in the past game which we do not see from him very often and nats what the eagles needed if they were going to focus on the defensive line at all I agree However against a rookie playing out of position no less? I mean I think cloudy. He's always a monster. I mean he sometimes he won't show it I just I would always feel him my thing though when you speak in val great performances that brings me back to Russell's so him obviously him Lamar Jackson in the MVP race. Yes Mike that also leads to my vibes rides feeling Makes me nervous. Because Lamar Jackson had a great week last week and really not himself up to possibly. What a lot of people are saying the number number one spot of the MVP race which is always going to be an awesome game and it was but so it makes me worried because Russell Dink at the chance to continue the MVP race because he was on his last week so now unlike what if he comes out and he's like Again so that's it's another another thing to make some word. I don't know there's a lot of components that go into this. I feel like besides just. There's a lot of components that go into its defensive playing really well thank you jalen mills. 'cause they've got some really dynamic playmakers Chris Carson. They're running back as having a really good season. Decay metcalf is an animal. Oh my gosh. She's an animal just just an animal. He's so big but he I'm sorry you were saying you can't see anything without you. Got Him evil should got it. Yeah I don't but that's everybody in the NFL. Like I don't Wii oh he can't run rows who cares if he can't run route he's bigger than you and your kin body any corner in this league. Yeah anybody yeah and obviously Tyler Lockett is quick elusive phenomenal catches like keeping toes and bounds in the corner of the endzone catches who who would have thought that possible. What is your our prediction for the Eagles on Sunday? And what is your What what's your key to win my keys? Carson Wentz in the align okay fair enough who ensure four score in poor shore on but and I think it's GonNa be close and I think because the offense is Expecting the eagles offense to redeem themselves and obviously Veasley Russell Wilson's hard to stop. I think it is going to be semi high-scoring so I'm GonNa say Twenty Six twenty. Four Eagle sorry. I forgot how by Twenty Twenty six point. Four evils Gotcha. I love similar thinking I think this needs to be a bounceback game for Carson. I think he knows that I think he wants that. I think they're pretty much itching to get back out there. This offensive line really needs to put in as much work as they can get this right because they did not play their best game on Sunday. The Eagles need to stick to the run game. They need to continue to force the issue there. Because IT'S GOING TO BE A. It's what the offensive line likes to be. It's going to be the way to kind of keep keep Russell Wilson off of the field and the least the less time you can get rush on the field the better as much as they can stay off the field that offense. They can do a lot of different things that would be ideal. The defense has to keep rolling the way they're rolling and playing the way they are. The linebackers actually had a really good game last week. Aside from the won Miss Tackle in the Backfield by Nate Gary. But for the most part they've played well. Nigel radames back practice. Hopefully he plays Sunday. That would be great to say Orsi skews me and hopefully sean can go. Hopefully Jordan Howard can go but if not at least we'll see Jay Ajayi mixed in there more I think it's going to be a close game and I and I think the eagles are going to win. Twenty one seventeen scoop them by the way Howard was a limited participation practice of leaders play. Here's sober so the breaking news that we mentioned earlier. Yeah in an appeal with the NFL. BROWNS defensive end myles Garrett alleged that Mason Rudolph called him a racial slur our prior to last week's brawl on Thursday night or ESPN's Josina Anderson and me Adam Schefter and accusation the steelers QB strongly denies. That's very interesting. Because did you see the story that came out right afterward. Yasina Anderson tweeted Yup that she wouldn't be surprised. If there is over actual insinuating that there was something racial official said and once he found out about it all in south in it like developed a sore develop she deleted the tweet quickly somebody audit. He upsets very interesting that now she tweeted it they decide to go to her to break the story. Her and Adam Schefter Ya and my my opinion on the matter is if if that is the case and that's interesting. I was really thinking this in just pulled up twitter and Tire Johnson just tweeted if he I think this has mentioned for the rest of the year should be upheld. He should get suspended into next year. If that's what started this because that that's unacceptable. Yeah another thing is though the quarterback would have said when he was going after miles with on the ground because he so it was a it was a quick screen so it was. The ball was out of his hands and Myles Dell's Garrett pull him down to the ground which was a fifteen yard penalty anyway. Yeah my thing is I would have thought. Had that been the case I would. I thought that myles Garrett would have said something after the game because at that point the damage was already done and there was no there was no getting out of it. You know what I mean. Like there was no. He was getting suspended vended regardless at that point. Tell tell your story man like is you know. Of course he had to say I lost my cool. I couldn't you know that whole speech. Whatever but you know? If that's the case there's there's no place for swinging a helmet in physical assault. Yeah there's there's no place for for racism no I agree hundred percent and you don't know the full story but I don't know what it's like. Why would he not say that right away? Then I don't know apologize ads for losing your cool but you're also like you don't know the whole story. There was more to the situation. You're out to say exactly what he said but at least insinuate that there was more instead of just admitting that you lost your cool that that makes no sense. Yeah and that's where the browns messed up even letting him speak to the media Reddaway. Pr Team should've swooped in swooped. In Lyon we wait until this is all because might hurt him the fact that he didn't say anything he didn't insinuate that there was anything besides him losing his cool. Yeah and and you know P M people there were a lot of tweets and stuff kind of pointing fingers left and right and you know I I I just hopefully gets this right they. They screwed up a lot of different things in the past. Suspensions you know I I just I just hope they get one right. That's all. I don't know it's tough because I mean really. There's no proof. Obviously unless he might up which I don't think you so so there's really no proof I think it goes back to him. Non Insinuating that anything with sat immediately. 'cause now he's claiming which anybody can claim after. Yeah there's approved but it's also you know this is. This is something that obviously has to be taken seriously if obviously whoa this is what happened like it. It has to be handled. I also think it was wrong. That Mason Rudolph didn't get anything as the game. I agree I agree agree. He should have gotten the fine. was crap the that was. BS justifying was crap because he like both of them responsible for this issue. Okay moving on to our next topic. That was some breaking news. That obviously when you listen to this one exactly breaking but it's still relevant So what's going on in Philly. We add some the big news in Philly last night. Ben Simmons wish I I got I it wasn't it was perfect Okay sweet Ben Simmons hit his first career regular season three pointer that was drawn up for Ben that was in stride. That was in rhythm it was perfect. It was for your. I was sitting on my couch. Just watching the play develop Looked was watching. And I don't have very good eyesight so it's hard for me to see the numbers on their jerseys when I'm watching TV. And I was like okay. Ah who shooting that shot. Don't see Ben Anywhere and then I realized it was an absolutely lost my mind. I ran around my apartment encircles. I screamed I was excited. I'm so happy I'm so happy and apparently I saw somewhere. That like Ben was too cocky in his post-game Presser. Someone asked about how I think you could see my rap. I don't care. He has dealt with so much you-know-what since he's been then here he deserves to be happy and feel any type away dude. I think he handled that perfectly. I'm so happy. Why would my the thing is? What's he supposed to jump up and down like I did? I did it. No because you act like you've been there before that's what anyhow sleep no can you imagine yourself like He'd be roasted. Oh my God. Yeah so that's interesting. Look so pretty. You have to act like you've been there before I don't care if you haven't yet. He had a great night last night. He he did. He looked really good last night. My kind of frustrating. What just going off like last night? 'cause we kind of talked about in the morning show so you won't be his stats. Always the leading in Goose Appleford. Yeah but he has had such a lackluster season. Like he looks like he's not even trying or doing anything doesn't care but he's still put not like pretty good numbers in just so frustrating because imagine if he tried. Yeah but I mean I agree. He did not have a good night but let the snap word but late in the game he it was over five from three fifty seconds left. He hits a dagger to beat the Knicks. Not An impressive night from him and I agreed grades but lackluster. It's been it's been lazy. He did say though. He's playing both nights this back to back. Who did he did say that? And I think that was A. Hey I you WanNa play both night. Yeah and Jimmy Butler said a nice thing about him. How that Jimmy Butler can say Nice? Yeah he did. It came out. I forget exactly what he said but basically it was Joel. embiid saying how great he is and he'll be something special assessments. I'd just I think I don't mind the load management thing if I I mean Kawhi and the raptors prove last year that it works and Co.. I was healthy S. further playoffs and he obviously toward up in the playoffs so so he proved that it works. I don't mind them doing it. I just think that they have not done a good job of picking and choosing so far like he was suspended for for two games he plays a game and then he is on a load management. Like I thought that was dumb. I agree you need to make sure that. He's getting his rhythm for the year and he said he wanted to. So yeah. Yeah so I think. Obviously he played last night. I think there's a chance that he plays less minutes on Friday and he plays more on Saturday. He wants to be on angioplasty and he wants it. Locked Jimmy Butler so that's a fun thing. They are fast as to and I just hate the rest of that heat team. Gordon Dragages like my. I hate order more than anything like I was so mad. He's like Non My Ozzy Marshall No I knew that was not do. I was so angry. The year that Benson Benson could have been in all star in his rookie year. Just because of how well he was playing the triple doubles and whatnot. Regardless of the shooting and the fact that they put Gore and derogatory derogatory. There is an all-star instead do you know how Livid I was. I was so angry and I'm still angry. Like Fan. Votes Will Levi on twitter. Too for that. Yeah you can. It's fan votes but then everybody else gets a vote and then someone got hurt. It's like when someone gets hurt. And then they put someone I forget who it was might have been all the depot the got hurry was and they put Gore androgen there instead and I was like. Are you kidding me. I was so angry like the year that they Paul millsap and instead of Joel Embiid I was upset with do they. Put Al Horford in the All Star game too and that was that year was Vendredi. Put Horford and I was like forget this guy and then I was like wait no he definitely pointers Goren drag to though absolutely not. He is trash okay. So that was love the sixers. We will come back with two more topics of things going on in Philly one quick ones and then we have a couple questions to answer you are listening to the broad on BGN radio hey. I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast. It says during the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is this all already spoiled. Every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling. Too unfashionable Pants Warren Middle School. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early. And unfashionable pants. That coaches where now if if you want to take college football exactly seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast APP. Welcome back to Babes on Broadway. We have to speed through this last segment. Silver Quick Phillies. They hired a new hitting coach. It was the assistant coach from the nationals. What was his name? Dealing Joe Dylan Dylan is put down my phone so couldn't remember. Yes Joe Dylan. The new hitting coach from the national. All I get face off right now. I haven't done my research because just came out right now but yeah I like it. I mean that might be a Bryce Harper. I was go shopping. Move Harbourside I mean but what are you going to say bryce now. We're not gonNA take him when he just helped. Your former team won a national championship in the Reagan. Can yeah entire time exactly. So I'm saying he can't be that bad I didn't even if you're only claim is that he was young he had he learned under somebody. That was really good. Yeah so good and also phillies. Get rid of your new hats. They're they're Dallas while they're not phillies. Hats no one looks at the star. Dotting the I and thinks Oh yeah that represents the phillies get them off the website. They saw the outrage last year. Just having the SRB their transition on the scoreboard it was heinous. Would you do that knowing your fanbase Dylan. Okay now moving into some questions question one ready. Yeah do you think. The Eagles coaches should realize that the wide receivers aren't going to get any better and just accept it now because we talked about it earlier part of its coaching. It's the laziness it's also the medical safflower Catholic season's not over. It's not at all rich not over by any stretch. Yeah question number two. What do you want our who who do you? You want are wide receivers and running backs to be next year. That's a loaded question. Man I want. Okay here's what I'll say I want. Jordan Howard resigned ideal. Yes I agree go Jordan Howard Miles Sanders If they keep Jay so they did put in. JJ's contract for this year so far. He's here but for twenty twenty any team that offers him a contract attract. The Eagles have the opportunity to match that. And Keep It. Okay cool so I wouldn't mind Jordan Howard Mile Sanders and Jay Ajayi. No I wouldn't mind that at all. It's basically basically this year but miles will have a year under his belt. Howard is obviously Howard engage is proven is proven and he's Healthier Darren sproles at this point against and younger yeah. Wide receivers draft somebody. I don't know draft. Get Somebody Dan. I don't know but that is definitely your area of much needed help right now rangel. I'm not the GM to have to have to do that. Because you got a lot thought that you need to do to repair that situation now. The problem is cars problem confidence. Do you think the pressure is getting him no. It's I think we talked about it. He doesn't trust anybody eighty. I don't all units in his in his arsenal. Yeah confidence in his people the US. Yeah I I. I don't think the pressure's getting to him. I think frustration tation and lack of trust and the honestly at that point. There's nothing you can do about that. What that's what concerns me? There's nothing you can do about it. Frustrated straighted I agree. But what are you GONNA do. All right was that it only I had a funny one. Oh my gosh I got. I should have pulled this off. I should have better time. Management Mint load manage better. Oh my gosh. I'm not going to get it. We'll get an XM. Sorry it was something I remember. I told you about it tonight. A screen shot at like Gavin. 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BGN Radio #84: The Kurt Cousins Litmus Test

Bleeding Green Nation

1:14:59 hr | 1 year ago

BGN Radio #84: The Kurt Cousins Litmus Test

"He's my co-host maximize talk next steps and solar recovered from sixers raptors game seven over a span of many many months were listened back to old episodes and make fun of how wrong we this is Jim from the step over the radio ballers podcast talking seventy sixers tune in his office so I think people were kind of a little too like down on the offense like after this game is like maybe there's almost like people were mad they won thirty one to six which is literally like you're I predicted like I predicted that exact score like how do you thirty one six yeah I said thirty eight thirteen and I said we were the you're listening to BGN ridden with Brandon Lee County and Jimmy Kamsky take away from that game first of all the pass rush wins showed up in a big way ten sacks I mean do we make a lot of that or leads trade targets so on and so forth let's jump right in let's get back to the eagles jets momentarily a few things same margin of victory right look at you yeah right so thank you I mean I didn't bring that up to say I know everything I mean that should be obvious you know by reading collusions or mostly going to be the jets are awful so it's hard to put much stock into that but will get to you know Carson Wentz in the eighty something against the illegitimate. NFL offense agree I think that's a fair assessment now what do we make of lackluster I'll use performance by the offense bleeding renascent and listening to be deion radio I brought it up just because like this kind of was my expectation of the game at least in terms of how they want I think offense do we just kind of chocolate up to the jets being me while I think they're the worst team in the NFL as presently configured that with Luke Falk with Luke faulk they're not definitely isn't as good as it was against the jets but maybe maybe the jets game tells us it was a little better than it was in the first four weeks like is maybe he kinda split the difference a little bit illegal dot com with you founder or with with me founder Fijian Radio Burnley Ouden Harry friend Jimmy I better I don't think it was amazing obviously I don't think there is no issues on the offense here's what kind of bothering me I guess what people seem like how people reacting if out like because the jets taxes big product of the jets just being abysmal offense being terrible I think where I come down on let me know if this sounds Jimmy is that like pass Rush Burnett over Rda and then you have Cox and and Brennan Grammy inside you know maybe you have something there in on your obvious pass downs so again there is that fair to say Yeah I don't think you completely dismiss it because I think Brandon Graham legitimately played really well and I think they have something I mean they know what he can do already rushing from the inside the worst team elite with darnold but with Luke flock the way that they showed up on Sunday that was the worst team in the NFL the pass rush I think is a big product I mean hello everybody what's going on Bgn radio to begin to you from question I mean previously we kinda thought of the quarterback position being the most likely to be addressed in you know completely dismiss it and I think it's encouraging what they did I think you look at that performance as like hated really good in preseason game I think that's kind of how I would look at that but I WANNA see trade scenario at the trade deadline but why receivers creeping up because you know alshon Jeffery has looked fine he's you know but he hasn't you know there's no way you're convincing me like put the same amount of effort into that jets game in terms of like what they displayed okay so moving along on the offense the wide receiver like the mad dog intro there right and it's gonNA eliminate steel that it was kind of something like that it was like you think the fraser uses like they're not going to cut through the jets defense like a hot knife through butter like it's not going to be like no resistance at all they they ranked thirteenth devi away there. He's averaging nine point nine yards receptions super-low Sean McManus said he's out until like week seven through week nine somewhere in there but then it's awesome there's definitely concerns with offense moving forward but I might take away from that game wasn't like especially after the packers game to that was the crazy thing it's GonNa Green Bay they have a great offensive performance and then it's like they kind of against the jetsons while the offenses is totally screwed now yet so I do a weekly chat on typically Wednesday and I got one but I thought Josh Sweat look pretty good so maybe they do have something there with N. Jason Hall Decent Look Good Too if those two guys may be at a L. D. in then looks like he's not coming back Sunday I mean I'd be shocked if he plays in this likings game and I'd be surprised if he plays in Dallas next week and I don't know if this is one of those like middle of the pack in terms of opponent yards per play and I think total points per game like they're not awful defense great defense but they're not a terrible defense oh what am I missing with this guy how could you not be super frustrated with Nelson Adler right now he I did see rankings I put up on twitter this week to me I did the question from someone they I mean I haven't seen this but I guess people were making excuses for the eagles offense I should say you know quote unquote making excuses for Eagles Guidance Harry from touchdown and they're fourteen nothin you kind of tell pretty quickly that the jets offense wasn't gonna be able to move the ball or score many points so I like when I was looking back at his rankings and the rest of the seasons and he's like easily towards the bottom every year like the one outlier year is to seventeen when he was appaling you're not gonNA show you crave stuff yeah like they did against the packers right I mean like they were they were scheming things up angry may put a really good game plan Make that noise and then I gotta ditch down the next time well it's all right I mean I think Francis who is a big listener of this pod great but right now he's like a disaster like you said even I think something that got underrated her understated maybe I should say from the jets game he fumbled suck on offense everyone also thought they that they don't they don't and I and this isn't like a revisionist history either like I was saying this before the game I think I said it has been hurt since week one warmed up week to at the play a couple of snaps and has been out since then and he's coming back nations where a guy is quote unquote data day but they know full well that he's more hurt than they're letting on like dern on help comes on our picks I think he would really appreciate that so a lot to get through today eagles jets takeaways I don't think we need to spend too much time on that because I think our rose last year yes on sproles was like he plays in week one and then he gets these out until like ten or something and then he has the setback yeah so the wide receiver picture to me in the moment like in the during the child you know what that kind of makes sense where you got the early lead so they scored quickly and then they get the the interception return by me legitimate big-league receiver in one who has not been that so far this year he has one reception for twenty yards in his last one hundred seventeen offensive snack doing our nine yards per reception in that you have Nelson Igor who's been objectively disaster this season and then you have to Sean Jackson who ended but there were saying that it was a it was vanilla game plan and maybe that's why they didn't put points on the board when I you know Nelson Adler ranked ninetieth out of ninety four receivers by any ranks sixty third out of seventy one receivers by football outsiders metrics now flex pros last year and I like whether this setback Nag lower I feel sometimes like I'm going crazy with like the Nelson Galore defenders that are out there 'cause like what am I missing Soooo and you know as talented he he has talent but it's just infuriating the mental mistakes that he makes whether it be uh-huh candidates sense not to show too much in the game go out they went into the game with Vanilla game plan but once they got a big enough lead where they felt comfortable and surely I was just sitting there on a platter for but why aren't you catching that if either anyone could catch that the ball is just sitting there sitting right there for you are those perfect metrics no they're not but the point being the eye test matches that yeah and we can go ahead and accept those writings well thank you he is not great at tracking the ball and by the way as even assuming carson wentz throws the ball perfectly if that's your argument like are we gonNA catch it 'cause well I can make sense of this because Jeffries cap number is going to be like sixteen million and he'll be pretty easy to cut in terms of you get a lot of me is pretty concerning you kind of said I also doesn't look one hundred percent at all like an and again that you don't even see him running down the field really do you of the season so far I think that's fair and this obviously to with like how much they need him you know what I mean is like Sean is out Sean has been hurt like they need that ball makes that play regardless of getting a little bit of contact from defensive back right that's that's my argument and that's the difference between a guy who is uh-huh you mentioned or just a lack of concentration catch the ball like he can obviously you know he can anyone can make the catch that he dropped in Atlanta against the sideline link what if that ball amounts and the jets coverage like that's a huge issue each fumble twice this season like it's just everything is a disaster and then the deep balls with him them in the next couple of years so he's GonNa be on the roster for the next few years and after they did that it's like okay well I don't get were. Jj Fits in now even if he were it is a large point Winston overthrowing the interfered with like you can't expect Carson Wentz to take a little bit off of the throat expecting so when they picked him I didn't get it because he's basically giving you the same thing as Alshon Jeffery and then you know I I quickly realized okay using I think it's crazy how again like you spent a second round pick on a wide receiver and like you can't get anything because he hasn't always the season so I think killing them he he makes the team worse I feel like which is the big issue to begin this war Carson wentz points much longer if if jj shows anything at all so it's like okay all right I can kinda get that but then they re upped Jeffrey they gave like before eight wandering oh like he's going to have to play through pain even becomes back the question is like how effective is he gonna be and how long does he stay on the field is is this going to be a deal where Ed is going to be interfered with as the ball is coming out of his hands so I'm GonNa say that pass I do wonder if the Sean Jackson tracks and he is like failing the steam in a huge way it doesn't help the JJ has been good either and that's that's bad and then Mac I mean he's he's been fine I guess what he is aw Johnny Johnny key cost you a game you did he cost them a game and when you look around the League you know the context of other receivers were having success we brought this up before but gene in terms of a cap if trade or Cottam or whatever so okay well they don't like the production that they're getting out of him for what they're paying him he's probably not going to be around Nelson to step up it's not like a situation where they're all good at receiver just happens that like Adler is not playing well in that mix but they're kind of outside of that no they need him most up to get an I'm fine with with what they did there by when you look at the receivers that they passed on to take see I don't think Maclaren's great example he's obviously been a lot better than than him I feel like people were like oh I overthrew him and I don't know if I fully agree with that I feel like Act Laura had a chance to make a play at least one of those passes any like they restructured his contract and they made it so that you know they gave him a signing bonus upfront they basically converted as his yeah and that's not like on some small number of catches like he's he's got like close to three hundred yards I believe he's making plays in Jj's do nothing nice kid have a bunch of guys that are that you know their main skill set winning fifty fifty balls that's that's a very frustrating infants to watch and we saw last year those are huge problem with the Oh so what can they do to fix it Jimmy what can they do is there anything they can do to fix it we again we're looking at cornerbacks previously that they could it just wasn't a now another here so what can they do I guess I'm fine with the Dillard pick I mean that's obviously premium position yes and they didn't pay much maybe trade for you know maybe the position that is I don't know that makes more sense the report deadline is receiver where would you rank that see like let's turn McLaren who's been hurt recently but still like when he's been healthy he's been great and he fits with he goes need in terms of a skillset like a guy who's fast burner they might have found but I mean guys clearly a much more talented player on the field and just in terms of profile to music free averaging over twenty two yards per catch a guy who can stretch the defense and help out Carson Wentz and those short to intermediate zones where Jacquards Jeffrey in Dallas Garden right on the line like all those God said Corner One defensive tackle to everything else a big drop off from there and again all this is predicated on on how long they couldn't get anything out of him when he was playing you know when Shawn Shawn her both her like he was playing a ton of snaps and he gave them nothing nothing nothing numbers that day because he had a real deep like I I think we Kinda we've talked about it before Jimmy where like this defense I feel like like I don't have expertise in your arms out and not move them and the ball land on them and stick so frustrating yeah I agree that he has been really bad this year and probably my biggest disappointment likes jj not is not that he's not that guy it's fine if you have a couple people on your team that's good right like there's nothing wrong with that but the Sean is actually GonNa be out if he's going to be back and he's going to be healthy and he can play all this bill this conversation has moved but if he's not then you gotta have they wanted Hollywood right or at least there was talk that they wanted Hollywood so like you thought like okay long-term speed receiver might be undermined another required to Sean and right yeah exactly they had three turnovers in that game they play well in the red zone which we know they can like they've been a good red zone defense under Jim Schwartz for years now that's fine enough but the offense needs to be and he's twenty six among receivers this year in terms of annual value and like you to pay nine point four million and those aren't color into signing bonuses Kinda distribute that over the course of his contract would that does is it it doesn't allow you to cut the player anymore because there is a big cap if he caught him or trade you go out the teams away man socks nights guys you must here is there so slow in plotting and and that's kind of where they're back at now it's so infuriating to watch in just in terms of today's the context of today's NFL where you're saying the chiefs are these teams sailing carry kill Nicole Hardman they did they're loaded with speed guys in their offense is awesome and big plays meanwhile the yes you have to do that like what he beat because so last year the eagles tried to get him and they were willing to give up a three as far as I understand guys can operate that they don't have that speed element there screw the offense is just like you said it's just a plotting slow offense I think it's easy it has to be wide receiver is they can make some big plays in if they can do that that's exactly what they did in the packers game like they got towards yeah but if they can make big plays and also by the Atlanta game to it yeah so already I would kind of pinpoint the dolphins who have already traded to guys the bengals are right behind them in terms of seemingly why I don't think they do aj green now he's been hurt anyway there has to be someone out there and more teams will fall off how about the breaking news report Whoa what's that two points in they can't have they don't have like a speed threat so to me that's easily number one so let's look at teams that are GonNa be sellers all Dan but the jets wanted to two in the eagles we're GonNa do that or should they have I'm curious who liked him if it was Joe Douglas Than Joe Douglas isn't going to give him up if it was halley like pulling teeth to to score points yards like it's just so infuriating into watch like it's and it's just it's like a bad brand of football I don't know why it's en it's weird because taken we bought like de que metcalf yes why wouldn't you take him I don't know I wonder what was wrong with him in terms of like his interviewing or is character please at Eagles fans dot dot dot I don't spread rumors dot dot especially to a team that my boy at canes it my six pack of teams that already are clearly going to be sellers and then after that the teams that have only one win excuse me only one win would good for us this is really something so it's Dan Silio former NFL player I suppose was the NFL to he played he played ten games nations of them to carry the team like ultimately offense I should need to care the defense the defense isn't GonNa be this lockdown unit like I what you want the defense ideally realistically it's maximized Carson Wentz that's all about like how good was Carson Winston Week one when he had Tucson Jackson he was great I mean obviously offered the slow start but then even still a he posted killer the waves of eagles twitter there was a guy who played for university Miami the so far but you're never gonNA take that guy second round they drafted that guy in the second round with the college numbers that he put up like what the hell really did you have the night guy I mean Gobi J. Space Dot dot dot so of you eagles fans don't ever disrespect Jerome Brown and my love is a check mark yeah this is Dan silly up so I I did at least look at least you know look further at his profile he had like five teams the eagles were looking into Odell Beckham Ginger no way this wrong must be legit than you know maybe they have that conversation again yeah I just feel like I guess and he doesn't anything this year I mean he hasn't been held by the offense that he's in eight tonight changes coming in Atlanta he posted that one at two thirty four am early in the football and my running mate to Rome Brown played for dot dot dot the eagles have called on the avail of Hassle WFL terrible journalism by the way you never give your sources but that's not even believable Chapman Mammal and he said the eagles were looking I lost the tweet here I can't find that you want me to read it to me yeah go ahead the Falcons and the steelers an eater those teams are going to trade they're not they're not gonNA give up franchise there they probably think they're good enough to compete next year directors that to me and I looked at it at you know I've identified as garbage but like I did look the okay yeah again he's working with Darnold Simeon and then Luke Falk he's got eleven catches for under thirty one yards yeah through four games until you get on the t so much of sports. TV nowadays is full of made up trauma it's a bunch of hot takes from people who don't believe what they're saying just beating the same topics into the ground but CBS sports so I gotta start trading away assets crazy I six teams that I mentioned I would throw the giants in there because you can you can get Golden Tate for a third round pick was all you at Eagles fans my source is Doug Peterson spelled with a teen the dot dot no him since the they're trying to trade for Eli Manning like he had a he had a series of tweets of like reports that you know this aw that's right he's a guy who could at least stretched the defense even if he's not making plays for you down the field like on your at least keeps defense honest and that's all you need I think teams would respect it excuse here to change all that it's a network that streams live twenty four seven in their coverage is just focused on the game they bring you the latest news highlights previews and it to be confident only on the nation podcast network Jason isn't doesn't have anyone that's GonNa help you and the president of the trade with you anyway cardinals jets Broncos they be my feel free to tell whoever what's going on and duggleby privy to that either like free for everybody you don't even need a log it just sports for real sports fans just open the CBS sports APP and watch anytime from anywhere on your phone for real sports fans best news of all it's free I don't mean free for a week or a month or if you have some special cable package it's totally completely and we're back I have a question for you Jimmy yes what do you make of Doug Peterson common speaking of Doug refilling with a picture of Rome Brown in him right is is a read to take that to mean that if you don't believe his report that you're Ah let's let's take a quick break okay and then we'll be back after this stack after this this episode is brought to you by CBS sports HP actions to all the onfield action fantasy sports experts will give you the info you need to make the right calls for your lineup. No fake debates no politics just sports in my house that even look like if if is he joking he Z. I know you can't be uh-huh by how that is a fair point so you who I guess you're looking at Laghouat devante Parker yet Miami that makes sense and then you have Robbie Anderson Acting Jer the memory of Jerome Brown you wanted to roam around to die you don't believe in his report I think that's what he's saying to us too is he is what he has is the is the right way to put it yes can we talk about how bad of a pick jj or a white was by the way this team to do like the truth but like I that's amazing to me is just really trying to like tell us that Doug Peterson like hey what Dan Kennedy Lovie ah obviously that's how we doing all that Doug wouldn't even like the J R I p zero so good early in the early hours of this morning us we talked briefly before we started the podcast Rosello about Doug Yeah the follow up to the on or at home on your apple TV Roku or fire TV it couldn't be easier download the CBS sports APP and Watch CBS SPORTS HQ Today in the NFL in nineteen eighty seven it doesn't show any stats here formula in opposition here's number ninety three so I guess Defensive Lineman you want to read this verbatim Robbie Enersen I WANNA numbers already can't possibly be I remember looking up until last week. He had only two receptions twenty yards look into this player the Patriots looking into Mike Gavin's the one that's great here is says spoke to at Atlanta Falcons President Richmond but I am a little conflicted on it though I think that he Jordan Jordan Howard gives you the best chance to win right now but there are things that mile centers the topic of Doug Peterson what do you make comments about Jordan Howard being the lead running back he should take that's the right direction to go as a runner I do think it's correct for the Eagles to go in that direction at the same time at some point they're going to need miles sanders to produce so I don't want it would agree that out for you fantasy football players I expect a lot more Howard carrying football anyway then sanders and he's going to get all the receptions down the field so that was another concern of his coming out of college to two of three concerns of his coming out of college have not if the whole is there and the offensive line is opening up holes. I think you just WanNa running back right now but it's GonNa take it and that's what Jordan Howard doing so surfaced in the NFL Pass protection catching the ball the backfield and then the third one has were the fumbling so the one area where I thought there wouldn't be in Howard literally played the exact same medicine apps and the exact amount of total touches view at in receptions in addition to the carries I think basically Doug is listening to what I had so you don't have him rotting on the sideline you WanNa get him in and continue to allow him to sort of get a feel for the NFL and allow him to improve so he can help you during the you know bond backfield on these China battle in trying to bounce things outside it's not hitting the whole the same way that Jordan Howard is and I think for the eagles purposes any issues like I thought he'd just step into the NFL and be fine right away it'd be running the football that's kind of been the the big drawback from him for him so far stand at the very least I think that's Kinda weird I don't think we're GONNA see a drastic change going forward I think this is going to be more of what we already saw like against the jetson maybe kind of even the packers too restaurant yeah I almost don't make a lot of that comment as much as was being native it like just because I look back to the jets game and miles sanders injury unlike Howard only got like four seven like that's clearly not be the case I think Howard should finish the game was probably the most carries if not a tie behind in those games you're not gonNA run the ball much anyway so in the virtual behind the fourth quarter that is you're not going to run the ball much so yeah I'm with you there work to anyway like it has been so there's your touchdowns another thing with the running back situation is that Darren sproles is hurt who could have seen this coming another weird moment in the Doug Presser today to why is that because he just wouldn't ask the punt return he wouldn't answer who plan returner is leaving euro yeah is a good pass Russian does Kinda show these exotic places from time to time actually feel more comfortable with him back there and I would a guy like Jordan Howard and also he has a number of you know it's like just answer the question unless he just doesn't know we come earlier this week I thought he kind of had mentioned he kind of been asked about Galore in Corey more than sanders obviously because a the ball security and then be again he's just going to give you GonNa get what what you give him so he's more of your closer than than centers you said you to me on the podcast last week and I said I think Howard should be leading this team in carries per game like you shouldn't be where it was when it was like the first couple of weeks of the season like in yes I don't I just I think people kinda see that in all join Howard's the lead back now they're going to give him the ball twenty times a game that's that's not going to happen and then fourth quarter like you want you want him running the ball returner and then it costs them immediately like in in week one I think I think that's an underrated concern this week because like Corey I know that was kind of a weird because I mean obviously more of a kick returner than a punt returner though wasn't it him though before beginning of Reno he but it was before like that Greg Lewis Scheme the punchy he returned to Sean back there either even just as a guy that you know catch the punt right and then Galore is not like a guy who regularly does that and yeah he he said I wouldn't trust either of those guys will tape just doesn't now I think the eagles need to bring back jr e Jamie play because he thought the ball last week hit Ryan Lewis's foot but like he was bad at it last year remember that when Corrie was returning into the coats Ne- like Muff in return experience he's like a Jitterbug kind of player sproles mold kind of player they also have Marcus Green who used to be on the Falcons think sixth round pick this with Kate with thrown at thrown Aguilar in in a situation where I'm losing you know maybe his talent takes over for a minute but any situation where I'm expecting him to do the easy thing I prefer to die before to put somebody else back there so they actually worked out a free agent this week undrafted rookie free agent penny heart who has and he's Yeah I would not trust Aguilar to do anything that requires you know a simple task he's fumble twice and he's dropped the ball too many times he hasn't really done that this year he did that week one a little bit but for the most part he hasn't relied on him it's mostly been Howard and and Sanders but at some point ear on the practice squad I almost wonder if they do something there they make a move there maybe not yet I don't think they would elevate Boston Scott like Scott did not look good as a punt returner any he doesn't have experience doing it he did it not on college any he's barely done it so I don't think that's an option not at all not at all so I think that's kind of an issue I think that's maybe be an issue at all but like it makes me a little bit nervous I guess the next two games are domes so in theory it should be easy to punch their okay good point carries anyone season which makes sense for the size that he is but even catching the football there are only a few seasons where he's in a player that were were it was dumb to bring Darren sproles back at all like is this the ultimate this is not what was going to happen with him sure all along anyway obviously the phillies have done well the season and they're playing in the playoffs right now and that's the justifying why the NFL scheduled These Games out Oh yes very straight games atman soda obviously this week at cowboys notice week in at the bills in week eight Brian Mitchell was a better returner and he didn't get in and sprawls a contributions to offense over his career are maybe a little bit overstated like he was he was he was very good for a few years but if you look at the longevity of his career that impressive he never actually never had more than one have any they don't have any answers after him yes especially good answers anyway especially with the Sean out and that's like a double whammy there with a dijon being out not just hurting they do put him in a situation where they are relying on him for some purpose and in this case being a punt returner and now he's out and and like we mentioned already offense but also not being around to be on special teams with their spoils not playing he did move into fifth place in all which is he is but he's also heard all the time and then it doesn't give you much anyway and Doug Peterson had a tendency to over rely on him at times in the regular offense but I feel like this texture but he's such a unique player that like he he definitely holds a special place in NFL history like there's there's probably not going to be another Darren sproles he's so unique consider him a legitimate like big time weapon in the offense so are there any more kinda like long term big picture things that you're you're taking away or thinking about what the team right now I'm guessing it's going to be at least like at least three I'm at the very least I would think something the argument for him when they signed him was that well he's better than smaller and yeah sure there's going to get hurt and he's GonNa be probably GONNA be out for a long time week to week as Doug said yeah I mean they haven't pullman irs owes presumably they think you can be back in sooner than eight weeks I guess but that's the six game stretch these three games on the road Vikings cowboys bills and then those three home games are all difficult games for varying reasons the lights in his is like you know like it was definitely game winning touchdown pass but I don't know can we can we also just touched on ev one if you don't know go right ahead just kind of the we're going into the Vikings game a little bit here but just kind of looking at the the stretch coming up you know the three road games in a row because remember that when the eagles are playing the packers can week they fumbled and they lost the gasoline like in Nashville that was a big deal because everyone was like oh that's not that big a deal they cut there different yet goes bears before yards bears at home by Patriots Home Seahawks at home yeah and then it gets and then after that so the they are and in the seahawks are a team that the eagles have never been able to solve and Russell Wilson is playing like MVP yes he's yes he's he's okay and then at home against the cowboys You finish it up on the road against the giants so you know for those last five games I wouldn't call them guineas necessarily I think the giants the bears have that I mean the bears have problems of their own big time offensively but there's no question defenses awesome yeah it's legit the Patriots after that six game stretch gets real easy so you get the dolphins get the giants get Washington and then you have what will probably be a huge game it bears right after the in week nine after the buffalo game and then they have a a week later by then come back and they play the seahawks on the Patriots in somewhere good it's a really good it's definitely a good defense that is something I believe going into the season and especially playing at home too I mean that's a tough place to play I don't think that's those fans are like account for your af it doesn't count for your your standings in terms of like NFC Games or obviously division so if especially if they win these next to like who cares honestly so what do you thinking Jimmy for this stretch like when you're looking at this stretch and again we'll get into the vikings matchup more specifically here at right after this but like what do you think they need to go like realistically if not very zero fear than eagles fans like equally as crazy somehow they're lovable but the eagles fans are scumbags well I mean you know they didn't throw snowballs at Santa this is good for all purpose yards and guys relations but I like the legacy of Darren sproles like I think I you are he said like a unique I don't I don't think he'll be off era barring some kind of catastrophic list of injuries that they have a long way which is another question and even then they solve a chance I mean obviously I think he got a win to these not only this stretch but the three games after that when they return home are also very pull out their scandals yet so conversely right has that was that was throwing snowballs at Santa not funny at all it it's a crime actually it's it's you know it's throwing snowballs at Santa number. Hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers of college foot one and then it's disrespecting Jerome Brown number two fair point for sure so I I think when I this stretch here I mean they have to dust all podcast it says here in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all already spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too organs and I think they cause their schedule was awful that year like the the weak for by and they played it like a billion teams coming off their other their opponents had like a billion buys impose some kind of challenge for them but certainly the dolphins in Washington Games are I mean you got you got pretty much pencil and wins there right they lose the Buffalo I mean obviously you WanNa win like it's not the end of the world I there's an interesting game I mean there are four and one and the one loss they have they hung in there we're now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP game right point underdogs point underdogs on the road in US Bank stadium where the Eagles won the super bowl wait what yeah breaking news which makes a difference we'll take a break here and we'll get back into some eagles versus Vikings matchups we will be you give it to Jimmy back after this it's like a straight like they have to that is a must win they have to be the cowboys they have to the the buffalo game out it's an AFC team like who cares right like that doesn't national pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the early and unfashionable pants that coach back here BGN radio episode eighty four. The only the Vikings this week beagles three into the vikings three to kind of the game dancer the answer your question that the three road games have coming you gotTa Win to those do you make of the bills by the way I think there whether defensive legit like it's really the defense kept him that game all day and you in the than even losing Josh Allen may still have the chance to while they didn't they didn't they didn't they didn't they think I feel like they can go to and one I don't think that's out of the question thank three now it would be pretty tough that's just you see the split stew on those those third games right on that on the road the one at San Francisco's supposed to be pretty Nice Levi's are so you to the matchups com as you always do on voice Jimmy so give me let's start with the eagles defense doesn't litmus test kirk or Kurt I said her kirk her Kurt Latter Kirk that's a great that's a great stadium by the way that was really cool being there so we think you'll me when I Witnessed the hammered Brian Ah Janssen theory but once step on the field at the end of that year so it's it's it's a tough straps for sure I think why I say is a litmus test I do not Kurt cousins is four in twenty four in twenty eight games in his career against in Atlanta mercedes-benz that was really nice to and then the US Bank stadium was Those those might be the three best I think through that up now I mean it's a though it's it's a different year ns he's probably been worse this year right ease been worse this year than he has last year he usually plays pretty against the eagles he does but he was he was big time for the eagles last year when the eagles really needed him in week seventeen teams that finished the season with at least nine minutes okay he doesn't be good teams are go if Eagles beat her than there good teams and while I will actually say something something I want to say because I feel like this game I feel like there's a certain thing to this game that in is probably GonNa be it is GonNa be I will say trip like teams that never win those games like when it's your third game on the road in a row and that recently when did they what you're the had hours it took sixteen his name Kurt Kurt K. U. R. Kirk cousins the the Kurt Cousins Litmus test and do you know why I say that Jimmy Dino before playing them like it was like terrible then there's like another team came off Thursday night football to play the yeah that was like a total Saito and have three straight Rogaine road game in the sense of like there was material things yeah yeah yeah so that's that's the bus ride as opposed to pack it up plane which is Sager was it twenty seventeen I don't know twenty fifth may was the last Oh yeah it was it was it was and they won so they were in Seattle and then they just stayed out there the title of this Bgn Radio episode I feel like the Eagles defence versus the vikings offense is the kirk cousins Kirk coupons everyone Akam the carpet but if they don't they're a bad team I guess the eagles are one of those winds that he has though because they finish last year the record that is true so there goes your witness they're just totally hearing about this week like in some ways this is a big game two important game for two NFC teams but at the same time like doesn't mean everything and Tell Me Week six alice how good he is did you watch that game yes that guy can play the game at cowboys lost yeah what's up yeah I mean that guy can play and very very good I mean he's really and then the other guy that they drafted this year in the third round Alexander Madison is more of like a he's more like a downhill type runner he's against the against anyone really with the third quarterback so the key on the run but you know they I think Aaron Jones showed very good did you watch any other games I didn't see him specifically but his numbers are great yeah he's just get it and go averaging over run with him in the House against the Eagles and rightfully so but he just didn't have any room to run but then you got that guy is really good yet he is doubting Cook is really Good Avenue two point two point zero yards per carry the jump on everyone a face like some decent backs like lady on Bell's good back I mean obviously that offense wasn't GonNa do anything the the difference in the number of carries me cook as dominating them I think Madison only has like thirty four carries so far through five game so he's that stadium third of the ones that bounty so far it was really nice though the guy would go cowboys one and then the one that I was just at so I just wonder I wonder what you get I wonder what you see from Kirk cousins this weekend also are the vikings will be dumb not even have him throw against the secondary where the rams next week and then the third giant stretches yes was that the giants that's why I didn't remember anyone listening it wasn't really but they're passing game is the answer against his eagles team because the eagles are awesome stopping the run I mean what they've done against number one running back so far this year pretty incredible he's got some weight behind him and he just he's a he's a nice compliment to cook cooks slippery type burner whereas they give to Madison he just goes week against the needles secondary that a banged up be facing two receivers found eggs and Adam Cleland who are both very good and see those receivers played really well against the eagles last year feeling eight the eagles up last year F- he goes most you want to run the ball but they have tavis Mary so like having added cooking at Madison of two other guys that have high yards per carry but today in the slot play great in the slot against the jets which is typically determined I mean he was good when he blitzed still like the against mills if I recall yes and I think he'd beat Darby for a touchdown yes but he was killing them last year and that was probably cousins best game of the year last uh-huh we we we have got a little too little off the rails on our great stadium I would rank that on and then Craig James would be your top backup really I guess any spot they are kind of so that kind of shows you where they're at still owner wise Yeah I mean I in Wednesday's practice Douglas it's been playing pretty well on the other side I think he's been helped out by he's been the best corner and there's been weaker corner the teams to pick on but even still at least he's not the corner to pick on and then Orlando's Kendrick didn't practice due to illness hope I'm assuming it'll be fine offensive line yes is not so great I was looking at some of the numbers today both from pro football focus and football outsiders and basically yeah bears I mean he just rolled over and died in that game as he always does that's my point with this record thing like he he c comes up small in the biggest moments consistently so that's also we haven't really seen him in coverage yet you don't Jamison crowder let him do anything okay but again I know so yeah so we'll see on that one it seemingly Sidney Jones back at corner this week so obviously the secondary is fixed now and they're attacking by the way Oh yeah so yeah because he was a full partic- he is GonNa be stupid and try to like pound the ball into this eagles run defense right it's funny we're making fun of him but at the same time like he's their answer not he not him that's I agree if the Vikings are not passing all day than their dumb and I think there's a chance they would be dumb I think there's a chance they are gonna run too much Because that's Zimmer premier like strength on strength matchups that's the vikings rushing attack against the eagles rushing defense. We already covered that right the vikings edge I don't really see it against the eagles because he didn't get any room to run and wouldn't release and that guy that guy's really good people were rightfully killing leflore for like continuing washers in Everson Griffen and Dino Hunter Against Lane Johnson Adjacent Peters again that's strength on strength the two battened Fewer than ten carries a game but I mean there are running aim is impressive in in terms of the running backs are very good in the past Fletcher Cox of old he should have a big game against these stiffs on the inside so they use the first round pick I think eighteenth overall ninety did was I went to by the way if you've gone game pass and used their search feature no it's awesome so like you can just look you can just type in Viking things sacks weeks one through five and it'll pull up all the sacks that they had and gave up so I just watched all the sacks that they gave up so far this year don't really have any carry so I don't know Jim Schwartz mentioned those two guys to like a mirror Abdulah ad I don't think you remember the guy's name I can't either but he cited their yard wants to do right Atari fired flip he was like he's not running enough and Zimmer seems pretty antiquated in would kind of be won't to do that and another thing I think that kind of might go against the Vikings passing a lot in you highlighted this goes well in your matchup column even asked him twits about it to me is a two match ups where that heavily favor the Vikings in one Serbs Hanson we already covered that the receivers against corners and then there's the eagles in theory interior defensive line against their interior offensive line and Fletcher Cox is anything at all I think that maybe plays kneels hands so the way that I let me let me just take a step back here the way that this matchup is there are two does better than it right now first of all I'm shocked at how well centers is playing in pass protection against this vikings defense specifically coming up that had for carry numbers but I think they have like nine carries combined so I don't know why you mentioned them but the running game is impressive but they should just totally get away from that this like some point he's not good right now it seems like he's kind of like decent Kelly Kelsey like in theory the underside center athletic but clearly not actually to them that that that makes absolute sense has them six in run blocking twenty fourth pass blocking so not the desk passed protecting unit there so when cheer they're they're crazy if they if they just try to hammer the run yeah it would be a gift to the eagles if they if they do that and the heels will have potentially and the interior of their offense of lines things is the takeaway that I that I got from watching the sacks that they gave up and any any kind of metric you use to look at the Vikings offensive line there like PF has them fifteenth blocking and thirty first in pass blocking football outsiders like five point nine per carrier something he's two hundred twenty two twenty five pounds so he's nice compliment look that big just watching him but right now pat L. Flin another guy they use the relatively high draft pick on recently have to look that up where he actually went round pick he sticks in nineteen th on Garrett Bradberry yes stinks which is right under center he's not good exc there right guard I think his name is Josh Klein wasn't that the guy who was almost needles player one time the Patriots traded like Eric Rowe Jocelyne but then like you got waived in an injury area he actually wasn't included in the trade anyway he only on the espionage in podcast network because you really do run the risk of of having some big play by those two guys they have eighty five sacks combined since hunter entered the league the things but against the you know those two edge rushers you don't WanNa be just dropping back every on every down and hope what he can do a pass protection so flipping around eagles offense versus Vikings defense how did the Eagles attack this defense yeah I don't know in Twenty fifteen so you look at like four seat four full seasons plus four or five games this year and they times and he had eighteen catches on those nineteen targets in your analysis would you say that's good how many add that up here he's horrible in pass protection yeah horrible and I posted one Gif of him getting lit up by Nick Wykowski I didn't know why guy who's killed them in the past Zakar so the last two games against them he's he was targeted if I recall nineteen is really one of the few things that was working for them offensively so I mean they're going to go back to him again Alshon Jeffery is going to be matched up against Xavier Rhodes all day airman on the other side again you're relying on ankle already give you something I believe him I think he can do it why not was handled that Area Smith impressment pretty well in Green Bay now part of that is they could also run the ball the packers do not have a very good run defense right but you know against that pass rush you WanNa Kinda keep them honest at some point you're gonNA throw a lot but I think they'll move the pocket and do a lot of those ah too but it's not good so if you Jim Schwartz has been blitzing a lot more this season than we've become accustomed to and I think he vikings into long down at distances and they can at you know the effort mentioned moving Brandon Graham inside to face to get one matches again so I think it's GonNa be a they're going to rely heavily on those two tight end sets I think they're gonNA WANNA try to neutralize griffin and hunter on the and so that's kind of a big difference here they're gonNa have to pass more than they did against the packers one would presume in this game so yeah it's tough we might see that you know the pass protection skills or lack thereof of Dallas Cook and might be encouraged to fire off some blitzes the the bears but it showed up like multiple times where he just he just I don't know if he can't block earth it's too it's company really kinda prohibited them from making any real noise in the playoffs we'll take our final break here before going into our final segment NFL pigs against the spread here the right guard and have Fletcher Cox on the inside there as well that is that is the spot where they can win also by the way Davin Cook is for as good as he has a runner and even as receiver six yards per carry so far this year just historically speaking they've always been good against around so you WANNA be able to run a ball against them is easier said than done week sometimes even a third bonus episode on Tuesdays and talked to influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tags like founder of lime scooters the CEO our NFL picks against the spread. I don't know if Mike Francesa will be joining us this week we'll see has yet to be determined these lines come to you from outside with play action in you know get that running game heavily involved but against the run they I think it's they've given up three points there I mean as they always do they're going to have your follow Alshon Jeffery and that goes back to the days when Jeffrey played for the bears saw Tun of Abbey Road so that's going to be the match do we usually do here and Jimmy the giants are on the road for Thursday night football to play the New England Patriots Patriots are seventeen point favorites beyond me we've also been talking a lot of reporters academics about the major pressing policy issues in tech like facebook's content moderation doing great he tubes harassment plan or lacquer ed like eighty five sacks combined is is a huge number they gave the number two run defense in terms of Devi Way yes so you look at that pretty good and I think back to the not an easy situation like this week it's a really good roster that they have the quarterback aside it's just a really good team except Seles Get I mean we saw what he did to Harrison Smith US NASA Soul in the NFC championship game and then even last year in the loss of they added draftkings sportsbook sponsor just a partner of espionage and so I figured I'd use those lines that are posted starting the NFC says we always I if I have to pick one I'll go pats same Thursday night and they cheat so above and whether or not the government should break up Amazon which maybe it should and then every Friday I sit down with executive editor bone and Paul Miller for chatshow cover the latest in Tech News and product reviews Golden Tate now so I mean that's small yes so so they'll go off for sure but yeah I mean with all those injuries even still I think they got the number right on that I think Vegas did a good job coming up seventeen I don't know which way to go on that one but no see ah that's the biggest spread the giants have ever the it's the biggest The giants ever been underdogs Evan t point ever since I guess free from that organization and would not mind him as eagles off into coordinator I truly believe that's a like it's a good it's good for bringing our other reporters from around the words that show is party listen to it you can hear all that more if you subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast would love to listen and join us so again subscribe to the virtuous I do I don't care if you play in New England your plan in New York Subic number seventeen big number big number Ashington has lost a lot of you know talented coaches over the years that were formerly under him McVeigh McVeigh you know they wherever you get your podcast we'll see there we're back here on the radio episode number eighty four Brindley Young Jimmy Kamsky here with you to make it's too bad for him in the sense of like he didn't deserve to be fired right I that's not it's not like dig Gruden was holding them back it is great for him in the sense of he is now seventeen the big number the big number it's a big number seventeen seventeen is hard to cover odd number to cover in the NFL it's Washington three and a half favorites in Emmy Dolphins are coming off their bye who he got I love love washing as ups that that gives them a big advantage next team now oh this is an interesting game in the Salafist Game I love this game in the sense of the the number one pick is at stake here John No Evan Ingram I think sterling shepard might be someone there's other like they're concussed and he's GonNa be out

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 Early Top 10 RB Rankings, McVay Cologne, Dinner Bells

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Early Top 10 RB Rankings, McVay Cologne, Dinner Bells

"Hey foot clan today, we are getting into rankings early rankings. And you know, what that means? That means it is time to get your mind back on fantasy football for the twenty one thousand nine season. And there is no better way to do it then getting yourself prepared with the ultimate draft kit. It is the tool to win your league every year. Get it at its lowest price right now as a priori at alternate draft kit dot com. Eric Dixon NFL hall of Famer. And you're listening to the fantasy football podcast. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Welcome in. Another fine show. It's another fine Tuesday. It is April second the scourge that is April Fool's day is over Mike. Are you laughing at the fact twenty four hours as bath? Well. Here's here's what I know about. If I'm is over. Here's what I know about April Fools day. If we somehow end up in the new America purge day, actually becomes a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. Just like the movies, right? It all started because of April Fools. Oh, you're saying I hope you're all happy in twenty years. Mike always a big fan of a day of jolly fun. See the thing is no I'm good with like, a fun prank on someone as change your phone background to a boon. But hilarious, that's hilarious. Where where I draw the line is lying to people. Okay. That's the problem, for example. Like, if you and your wife told your whole family, you're pregnant get those the worst the absolute worst. Or if I come in here, and I'm like, hey, guys. Joe Mixim Sma number one running back. You're not. Okay. All right. That's good enough. We've got the consensus early running back rankings on the show to actually he is. He's not real second. You're really off the rails. Welcome into the show. I wanted to have a little fun. There's actually two quick questions today. You guys didn't know this. There's one quick question about Jordan Howard. There was a big trade. We're talking about the impact. There was a second one that I post to the foot clan because I just wanted to know the answer. Right. And I said I asked the mess and said look you're on a cross country road trip. Suddenly you blow a tire you pull off to the side of the road. It's a remote desert landscape a car pulls up behind you someone who stopping to help. Well above. I wanted to know who do you want to lend a hand, Andy, Mike or JC I want to I want to interject here real quick. Okay. I saw the poll I did not see this. I voted on the pole. I'm gonna say, you know, what's going on in for the first time in my life. Like, we've got spit ballers. We put out the poll every week from our from our fan. Drafts. And. I don't care if I think I want or not I always vote for me. I could not get myself vote for yourself. I wanted to be me for many reasons. No, I did not hear myself pool. Brooks, did you know that this was up? I did. I did see. Okay. So baller. I was gonna have you guests. Yeah. It's on the F F baller for the log in earlier today might so here is the poll results in case you're carriers. Mike is winning the poll. Forty five percent of people would wanna see might get out of that car. Well, because they just get out shocking. I'm at thirty seven percent Jason with a cool. Eight percent of the vote. Sorry people because those service to you see those people would not have they wouldn't get back on the road. But they would be highly entertaining. We'd have a great time. They would they would be a great day for aiding for the tow truck. But yes, it would be a great day while waiting for a tow truck. All right. Follow us on Twitter at the F F baller that way. You can weigh in here is the actual question of the day. How does the Jordan Howard trade impact? Both the eagles and the. Bears. Backfield's Jordan Howard was traded for half a box of toothpicks at best at. Yeah. It can go down to six around pits. Not the flavored ones know that those those better the cinnamon ones, if strong they made you a lot cooler in grade school if they were all they were currency back. Right. Well, I didn't realize that you went to a weird school Birlik cigarettes in prison. Yes. What cinnamon toothpicks? You. Did anyone else have that? No, okay. Who lived a charmed life. Mike eagles they acquired Jordan Howard from the bears for twenty twenty six round pick. What are your thoughts on this deal? And how does it affect both of those backfield's? I'll take a stab at the bears situation. I think the big winner here is Mike Davis now to Rico and a lot of people are excited for him. But Mike Davis. They brought him in. He's got. He's basically like a he he is a well rounded not special anything back that. Do everything. And that's what they want to Jordan Howard to beat him. They tried like crazy this last year to get Jordan Howard to be able to catch the ball. And you saw Mike Davis us. You know, who he is who Mike Davis says? Yeah, give me the com- Damian Williams. Yeah. No. I get it. That's a that's not a bad. Calm doesn't have. He's they hate calibers. They hang out. And they were like man if we could get one contract between the two of us now. So he's the big winner here as well as the opportunity cooler still a winner though for a rookie to come in. Because now if they were to draft someone with some good capital, you know, they get a get a third round rookie running back. I think it's a great situation for them to come in. It had Jordan Howard been there. I would have been murky. You wouldn't have been able to put your trust there. I actually think it's a right now today, Mike, you're hundreds of right to recall on Mike Davis. Big winners. If they draft someone it can change quickly because shorting Howard was unknown non pass catching commodity that was somehow permanently in the doghouse despite consistent numbers, although since his rookie season yards per carry of gone down year after year. He's just twenty five years old. But this is a this was no joined I have the conference Jordan Howard, Jeremy hill. Yeah. From from a youth production standpoint, that's not I don't like hearing that as a Jordan Howard dynasty owner now on the on the Phillips sign now, you're not wrong on the Philadelphia side, though, low risk investment to get a banger into town Corey clinic. Couldn't do it in opportunities to be the guy they barely even let them try Josh Adams. There was talk of him being cut this off season. It looks like Clement and Adams will be there, but they're going to play a subsidiary role behind them. I was going to say the wrong word there subsidiary. That's. Definitely that works. Does it? I think so. Yeah. They'll take a grammar advice terrain. Ian, subterranean roll beneath the earth. Here's the deal. Jordan howard. I like less important than but related or some mentoring to some those right about students, rusted, your gut, I should have a second guess Jason for grammar and spelling. Like, you could spell that. I spilled it, right. The first time. I was shocked. Not correct me. Here's the reality though. To me. I don't think that the outcome of the season is probably going to be a whole lot different for Jordan Howard and Philadelphia then Chicago. But I like the fact that there is a bending upside instead of bending downside in Chicago. You could have ended up in a situation where Matt Nagy threw his hands up, and we just kind of tired of dealing with finding a role for Jordan Hauer. Philadelphia wants to find a role for Jordan Howard, right now, Jordan hours. No good. You know, he was gonna fail in both places. If that's the case, but at least in Philadelphia they have weapons on that team. They've got a nice looking offense. I think there's opportunity for you know, double digit touchdowns for Jordan Howard. That's everything is comes down to touchdowns because Wendell Smallwood is still there as well. There's four guys they brought in. It's to me. He's going to be the legare blunts for Philadelphia that I saw you tweeted about that a couple years back. They brought him in when they made the Super Bowl run and Jordan Hauer. I apologize legare blunts numbers that year hundred seventy three carries on the ground seven hundred sixty six yards but only two touchdowns for the gear blunt. So that's not be saying Jordan Howard won't get the touchdowns. But it's air ski business up in the air. No doubt about it. We'll have to see what happens in Philly this year, Jordan Howard. At least he's got a starting role. Star dish starting is. I will say this man, the the eagles there. There's such a smart organization. I mean, the fact that they trade nothing for a a a real genuine improvement at the running back position. They pay him nothing. And then because they traded for him and basically own the rights should Jordan Howard at age twenty five go out with someone else next year. They get a compensatory pick back. That's better than the one. They gave up to have the player plan for them. Just really didn't get a golden Tate. Yeah. The they will didn't did you guys. See how Tampa Bay be crowded everything up because of the signings that they made lost a couple of compensatory picks. Yeah. You gotta know how to play the game in their certain teams. I know how to play by the way shoutout to Matt per Pura on Twitter. He makes the point that grandpa. Andy would be the most prepared with the necessary materials and most importantly a AAA membership. If you broke down is out of the road. I know Vince, Mike, I mean, I see both you every day. I definitely voted for Andy. I know he would Heidi most efficient at changing, my ideal blame you I can do it. But I will say this. Hopefully, we have cell service because I may need to jump onto YouTube. See I want a hundred percent contained tire. I know how I don't need the YouTube. I just absolutely am unwell. Oh, it's the worst. I'm not going to do it. You can get a AAA membership by being fit. What AARP is what I was. Yes. Fifty five or older or a rocking? Chest tired. Yeah. I'm not going to little help. Can you go to the can I go to the bathroom? All right. Let's get into the news. News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper. There's there's a new cramp in town. Writer have agreed to terms with is AM crow. Al. Yes. Formerly of the jets on a one year contract. I don't know if Mike so excited for is air coils production, or my demise a little bit about. A little bit about the raiders Attanasio Crowell to a backfield. That includes gem shard, Chris Warren, Jalen, Lazard, Daelim shards. And look there candidates to pick somebody up in the draft. They are it'll be an interesting situation there because marshawn Lynch could still return if marshawn Lynch dove returns you can slot. Isaiah Crowell firmly into that Doug Martin role. Right, right. Yeah. I would agree. If it's it's a win for now. Forget well. Yep. No doubt. All right. Let's let's go in and initiate the hype train guys. It's important. On the tracks might rebel. Wouldn't you know, he likes to build the offense around Derrick Henry and better than that? He'd like to tell everybody about it right here right now on the off season. I would like to speak further on the so when this came out I was on the clock in a startup dynasty league. Trying to decide whether to take Henry as I looked into this. It was not just rebel. It was so tight end coach who took over the office of coordinator role. He was talking about the owner of the titans was talking about variable was talking about they all said they figured something out at the end of the year when they started giving Hillary eighteen carries a game and they won their games got in the playoffs. And they all said this is what we're going to build around. This is what we want to do. So but into you said it best in the studio. I think it was a Friday before we left if he if there are sucks, it don't matter like they want to build around him, and they want to give him the ball. But if they give him the ball twenty two times, and he's running it, you know, three point six yard. Words per carry like he's done for most of his career. So far, they're not going to be able to keep doing it. But I will say this. I think he succeeds. I think he's got fresh legs. He is a beast. They're figuring out how to use them reading more into it. The tight end coach taking over for the offensive coordinator role talked about the zone scheme that works well with Henry style, and that they that that was part of what they found last year and they're going to implement that and build offense four Henry because Henry can't run in every style. You can't just plug Henry into any team and have him succeed. But what he's good at. He's great at. And so, yeah, I I am I guess, well, I think that's well said, and and we have to know only took three and a half, wait three point seven five years and the league is that his yards per carry. Oh, both. All right. More hype train news GM of the colts. Oh, man. My guy. Chris Ballard says the team believes Marlin MAC play on all three. Downes d by the Marlin MAC hype. There has been there's been talk of J Gye coming in for a word. He's Marla MAC now has the hype we are undefeated, Mike, speak to your guy. What's what should the Glenn do about Marla Maxence? You are the Marlin MAC guy. All I care about is who's playing running back for the Indianapolis at that time and time again, if it's going to be more MAC, he's going to be very success is Naim Hines going to be under drafted. No, okay. Yes. My yeah. Brooke stead Brooks is a huge believer in name Heinz tried to get me to draft him in our dynasty league. I did not good for you. Thank you. But I know Brooks he does look Brooks does not chime in on his own often only when he's so compelled he internally is a true believer. And I will say this Brooks, you're very good fancy football player. You've had a great dynasty team. You've got a good eye for this show. Where's this going? So maybe all right one more piece of hype Jay Gruden. He is excited for second year wide receiver. Trey Quinn is quote ready to watch him jump into the slot role and dominate the position we all just take above average player. We take domination to the Bank. I think he could Trey quit was a great college player massive massive production just didn't fit the the correct profile for NFL teams. I think he was Mr. irrelevant back. Last year, or so I mean, he was very very very late in the draft. But I think he's a good player. We'll see if he can succeed with case keenum, case keenum, coal all. Yeah. K- case. Keenum loves him some shorts. He does he wears the short shorts. He loves George cargoes. Danny likes Trey Quinn in this lot. Yeah. Because eight yards from line of scrimmage is is his power zone. A lot of a lot of targets in that area. Obviously vacated targets coming with James Socratic going away. I mean, Trey Quinn is a guy that where I am personally happy that we are recording this the the day before because I plan on my next round. I'm in like the fifteen I'm grabbing Trey Quinn here Madrid now to be fair. Jay Gruden also said that Jordan Reed was going to buck the trend and be back in the great player again. Yeah. Yeah. Lizzy wearing the the lie detector tests on Allen. I dunno. All right. Don't forget Switzer dynasty league to sleep sleeper. Download the sleeper app to. Today. You can get news. You can get one of the best platforms that exists and they're always improved. And before we jump into the rankings wanna remind you about our rankings very excited very excited. Remind you about the side, pod entertainment. That's the name of the game on the spitballs podcast. We just have a good time answering absolutely ridiculous questions. New episodes drop every Monday ride into work in style. Hit the gym have is a gas have a last don't listen to the spitballs while doing heavyweights. Sure, not good for health. It's bit bars. Pod. Wherever you listen to your podcast. All right. It's time to get into the early top ten running backs. Running bags si si. We're getting into running backs. All right. This is the April second episode of the show. Here's our early running back ranks. We all we've all ranked out our top fifteen sixteen seventeen running backs at this point put them together in a spreadsheet figured out the consensus this excludes rookies, although I don't anticipate that I don't either I don't anticipate that any rookie is going to pop it in the top ten running backs this season. Yeah. I think you're fair to say that I think that's right. There is no saquon interesting the NFL this season number one. Let's start right here at the top Ezekiel Elliot VPN number one. I agree with you. I think they will. He is number one for Jason and Mike is number two on my list. What is there to say? About Ezekiel Elliott that hasn't been said. And why do you guys have so much confidence in him at the top of the rankings? So for me, it's all about the transition of the Dallas offense Zeke turned into a pass catcher the pass catcher, we knew he could be from his tape at back in college. But they wouldn't use them that way for whatever reason. And then they finally unleashed him ninety five targets. I mean, he had four fewer targets than Alvin Kamara. I mean, that's absolutely ridiculous. When you're talking about Zeke Elliot who since he has entered the league has led the league in rushing yards per game on a per game basis in all three years that he has played plus positive regression coming in the touchdown area his rookie season. He scored a rushing touchdown on about every twenty one carries. That's pretty frequent. But then the next year balanced out. It was to thirty four. And then last year every fifty carries. He scored a rushing touchdown. I don't think that holds up the. Offence has improved with the addition of Mario Cooper, so Zeke is my number one guy. Yeah. It's it's pretty much. Exactly. What what I believe? It's the security Zeke has held up. He has proven. I mean, he was a top ten back two years ago when he only played ten games and you look at his his sixteen game pace last season of fifteen hundred and thirty rushing yards with only six touchdowns. It doesn't make sense. So to me, it's a matter of like, okay, maybe curly's head. I don't want the risk right now with girly. I don't want the risk of putrid offense. Dallas offense is good enough. Zeke is the center of it. He's going to get the ball. He holds up, and I think the touchdowns are gonna come. If he if he gets back to his normal touchdown pace than he should be a lock for a top three. And when we look at our risk ratings inside the ultimate draft kit. Zeke will have one of the lowest for me. No. It was a complete wildfire of Zeke points from weeks ten through six. Teen to in the year. I mean, just monstrous numbers thirty four fantasy points thirty twenty three twenty three twenty five you guys. Make it compelling argument. He led the league in rushing attempts with three or four and that was the lowest for a league leader at the position since two thousand. So you need to count on receptions. The question is going to be does is the seventy seven repeatable are though are those going to change if they feel comfortable with Randall Cobb and with the Mario Cooper who weren't in the fold for the entirety of last year. But I don't blame either of you for making that pick. It's a very narrow decision for me. I haven't at two. So when I say, he's not my number one. He's my number two. But I went with this guy saquon Barkley he had one hundred twenty one targets caught fourteen more receptions than Zeke, did and it just comes down to what I think is more guaranteed in the passing game. I think they're I think they're going to get very similar volume in the running game. Obviously saquon had the. Eleven touchdowns last year to Zeke six and I agree the positive regression makes sense with Zeke. But it's look it's it's a narrow margin here between the two they both put up a quote, unquote. Good game ninety four percent of the time. They both were absolutely dominance. Saquon never busted in his rookie season at all. He led all running backs in scrimmage yards. You know, the question for him is bulletproof. What chance does he have to regress in your minds? And does it, you know? Allies not special, but he wasn't special last here. Don't tell that today. F- few goodness. Dave g yeah. I mean, twenty twenty they've got a pencil didn't already. Br break that the issues with Zeke are basically the offense. If there are fewer touchdowns. I mean, he had a lot of big huge breakaway touchdowns. And while that makes sense because of his talent and his ability to break away. Those are the stats that are usually the least sticky even for players who have great talent. You don't you can't Bank on fifty yard breakway touchdown runs because he did it last year. So that's that's the issue. I agree with you that I mean, if this was so we kind of put our rankings together and half point PR leagues. If this was full point. Would you make the saquon would be my number one because I do expect Zeke to slow to slightly go backwards in receptions, whereas saquon, I mean, it's hard to imagine him going up from ninety one receptions, but I think he might be their number one hundred Seaver now. So with though Becker another way. Yeah. I mean, nobody's going to be disappointed with either of those two backs barring injury. Yeah. Yeah. You know, saquon impressed me so much last year because of the percentage of stacked boxes he faced. I mean, he faced eight plus in the box more than almost anybody in football and still found a way to have those breakaway runs. I agree. Those are hard to Bank on we've seen that year in and you're out. It doesn't matter. How good you are those are hard to fit factor in but just sheer volume. I mean, they're both absolutely outstanding players leave their I believe teams this year will start doing the first eleven men in the box defensive formation against against the giants. The giants. You're not worried about sterling Shepard outside. I'm not worried about ally. Manning behind my eleven in the box cover negative to. Wow, Christian McCaffrey comes in at number three, Mike. You have them at three. I have four Jason asthma. Five all this for the number one most consistent player at the position last season. He finished with two hundred nineteen carries in a thousand ninety eight yards seven touchdowns where he made his money in the passing game. One hundred. And seven receptions, eight hundred sixty seven yards and six touchdowns on one hundred and twenty four targets for me. The big not concerned because I don't have great concern over Christian, McCaffrey. He belongs. He cemented in the top five. But my biggest question I should say. And I'll toss it to you guys is a little bit to do with the offense with Cam Newton Cam Newton's health does DJ more take a step forward. What is this offense? Look like next year. And will they? Decide to maintain the high workload will Christian McCaffrey be able at his size and stature to stay healthy through the duration of the year. Those are the questions that I have. In terms of Christian McCaffrey last year. There were four games that he didn't even miss a single snap, which is iron, man. Yeah. Is he an iron, man? Or is. He is he bucking up against the the odds with that kind of a workload. You know players do that for a while. What do you think? Like might give them the highest. Yeah. Long-term he'll will eventually wear down in there. The rumblings the whispers from the bushes. This offseason have been we gotta get somebody else in there to replace Christian, McCaffrey. At this point. It's Cameron Artis Payne. Let me say cameras babies his hand who is back on on the team. He is he thirty one is he twenty eight. We don't know what he's back on the team. And he is the primary backup right now for Christian McCaffrey. I think it's safe to say that C J Anderson had something to offer and they didn't want it to do. They cut him last year it his his role in the past the game is so secure. I can only hope that DJ more takes an step because I want the offense to be better only seven rushing touchdowns for Christian McCaffrey back can go up when a guy has two hundred plus carries. And I think that his passing volume is super safe. So it's like Zeke and Barclay where Christian McCaffrey I haven't met three right now. Maybe he's five maybe he's six, but he's going to be incredibly consistent. And I think he's very safe. Yeah. I got Christian McCaffrey the lowest of the three of us based solely on Ron Rivera coming out saying they need to lighten his workload to north set. But that's yeah. That's what I was going to bring up, and I I looked in order in the back shaking his head know. No, no. You know, who's you whis rod? No. And that's the thing. Riverboat last season coming into the year. I was making the argument that Christian McCaffrey will be a workhorse because of north Turner. He only he just doesn't like Arbutus. He's great for fantasies. I mean like you said they had C J Anderson. The perfect spell to give you know, McCaffrey some rest, and they said go away like stereo Christians way Caesar. Here's the thing. Maybe to learn them because this has been the story of Christian McCaffrey in the NFL so far is there's what the team wants to do. There's what Cam Newton's been good at. And then on the other side. There's Christian McCaffrey too good to get off the field. He's too good to get off the field. When push comes to shove you need to win the game. When push comes to shove, you gotta throw to a guy. They can catch out of the backfield 'cause two years ago we were talking about cams. No good at throwing to the running back. No. He just didn't have Christian McCaffrey. It changes the equation. So maybe that means that I'm underestimating him, and he deserves that all pro respect he one hundred seven reception. He just has. Special DNA because you can go back to his college two thousand fifteen three hundred thirty seven carries two hundred and fifty three carries the next year. There's some guys did SE his Twitter posts. No the show in the worker the alleyoop to himself windmill dunk on a ten foot hoop. Some people just win the genetic lottery. So you answer. Then is you want Christian McCaffrey to get out of the car and help you with your tire that? Oh, heck. Yeah. Sorry. Andy, my vote has changed. All right. He'll lift the car up slap that tyrod on. Yes. Yeah. He doesn't. He doesn't use. Any of the lug nuts? No. He was full Flintstones. It is like a LEGO. He's smashes his legs to the bottom of your car and run any runs out. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's off season training, and he just carries people from to and fro. Your call an Uber Yoko Christian. Yeah. Cab service. All right number four on our consensus rankings, by the way, they will be too early. Running back ranking shows today, we're going to cover the top ten and then we'll jump into eleven through. However, many we can Melvin Gordon comes in and number four jas Jason down. I've got him at three I can say this. Honestly, the reason Melvin Gordon is down at six has nothing to do with Melvin Gordon. It has to do with the five guys that I have above. Okay mellon. Gordon? I think there's a handful of really really good running backs this season, including Melvin Gordon. Yeah. Melvin Gordon only Todd Gurley has more touchdowns over the last three years. Then Melvin Gordon does. Melvin Gordon gets in the end zone. Thirty eight touchdowns in that span earliest as forty six. He's been banged up. He was the third most consistent running rear missed week seven and eight he mix missed weeks thirteen fourteen and fifteen there has been a situation where we've we've looked at him coming back from injury. And I remember last year when people were wondering, hey if he's back on the field. Do you have to worry about a a workload problem? No. Generally when he's come back from injury. They just give him the ball again. But does that over time is that a concern for you? Mike seeing him missed two or three games each and every year doesn't have the opportunity to get out. I mean last year twelve games eight hundred eighty five yards ten touchdowns. It has to factor into your system when you're going to go all in on Melvin Gordon. I still would take him in the first round at two. I would take him as the foundational running back for my team. I really appreciate I had him last year. It was great. I didn't have him in my semis. But he apologized. He apologized all the fantasy football people. Out there. So I take that in in my consideration that make you feel better. It made me feel a little better a little bit better because I know that he wants points to and he thinks he wants to share his points of it is comforting right as a fantasy owner to know how intimately aware he has of his fantasy total. Yes. I do. I do pre really you guys. I don't care right now. He wants to be good for fantasy players the whole reason here like if every player and for Mike personally in this. Why did interview him? Yeah. Yes. That's true. If every player in this list area important was guaranteed healthy for sixteen solid games. Melvin Gordon would be way higher the you know because on a per game basis. He's unbelievable. He's used as a true three down back and unlike Christian McCaffrey who might be you know, a better pass catching back Melvin Gordon between the tackles at the end zone. You know is a big bruising back that can really get it done and have a high vol. Volume of rushing touchdowns. And so I love him. But when you're talking about the best guys it's to me. It's always been risk mitigation is just trying to say, okay. They're all great. Who's got the biggest chance of missing games or getting invert or you know, things like that. And that that's where history says Melville Gordon's probably not playing sixteen when you're playing fantasy football. You're weighing a ton of different things injury concern history. Or in this case the way, I look at it the offense, I really believe in entrust. What's what Los Angeles is. Do would you hear the beginning? A heard the little snake slip out. Never been to loss Angeles before I've ordered it from KFC. But look I have more confidence in the opportunities for Melvin Gordon score on the ground. But I, you know, when I look at the games missed in look at the iron man that is Christian McCaffrey. It's it's narrow it's real close. I could see those guys flip-flop in this offseason rankings, depending on the blowing of the wind shirt. So very tight very close. We're not breaking news here to say both players. Very good. I agree. But this next player. Let's talk about. I wanna see why he's so low in your guys rankings who are you talking about? I'm talking about. Super Mario Alvin Kamara last year free season. Again, I'm going to stop it. And I'm not let go last year preseason. What is the story? Last year preseason, I you know, I wasn't fully on board the amount of carries. He had rookie year looking on a per game basis. You know, he was he was good. But I saw major areas for regression to happen. And I remember week one watching it was just quarter one of the first game, Dr one of the saints. And I'm just like, oh, he's so he's just so much better than the defenders out to every time. He touches the ball. He gets the edge. He he's skirts tackle, he's fantastic. And now unlike going into last year where you thought okay, his carries could come down latavius going for marking until two latavius Murray. And you know, they'll probably bring in another rookie. I feel like chimera has solidified himself in the role where on this great offense. He's the dominant one now. I worried about what about his stats marking Ingram was back. Well, Mark Ingram is gone. So I think chimera is on talent alone. One of you know, the top three or four backs in the NFL. And now the opportunity should go up not down from this. Is that true and doesn't matter? But I think it goes lateral. Yeah. I worry about that. I feel like maybe the shine is off chimera, and we saw what he did without any Ingram in existence in the first four games he had to that's great crazy games. But then they were an incredibly successful team for the rest of the season limiting his his work load. Limiting the opportunities for him. Let's Murray is kind of built to whether you like it or not take the ball around inside the ten yard line. I'm just I don't know why I'm concerned. God I feel like they have won around two hundred carries max as weeks seven through sixteen. So you know, this is Mark Ingram. Mm is now back from his suspension. Chimeras still great, but on a per points basis running back eight so still great can give you elites week winning performances. But that's the reason I have him down just a little bit. He doesn't quite fit the same mold that the guys that I have ranked ahead of them do. Where they feel like they are. Majority owners of the backfield chimera feels like they could they could vote Kamerhe feels like most over the company. Yeah. Kamerhe feels like he is the most important piece and the most talented piece of the backfield. But one that the game almost the way that we felt about some players in New England over the past few years. There are going to be times. They're going to be games week five last year twelve thirteen fourteen a week five was the those that when Ingram came back, and it was a bit banged up over usage while they what I'm saying is going to be games. I think you're going to be disappointed on accident with Alvin Kamara just because of the way that Sean Payton calls the game or the people that are on the field. I again, we're splitting hairs at the top. We we love these guy. Yup. That's why they're there. But that's why haven't six jer I mean, I it really is the tale of how many carries is gonna get. Because if he gets what you know if. If it's workload goes down. Like it. Did when Ingram was back. And he's, you know, a top eight back like you said, Mike, then you're going to be disappointed at where I have them ranked. I believe his volume will not be where it was the first four weeks when he was so far and away the number one back and fantasy, but it will be up from what you had that that last part. So I see him as a top by more excited to talk about number six on our list Todd Gurley. He sat a very busy offseason, by way of speculation. Rumor injury concerns the Super Bowl the odd usage. The C J Anderson resurfacing at the end of last season the arthritis. The arthritis looked from weeks, you know, one through ten he was Todd Gurley per usual. Best running back in football bar? None scoring touchdowns had seventeen last year. Louis absolute monster. What is the real worst case scenario for him? Could they draft? Somebody is Malcolm Brown, really the next guy up. What do we expect? Got him at five Jason hasn't before. Mike. You have them at six. I think we're all just hedging. Yeah. The the worst case scenario for him is that the utilize ation comes way down, and he turns into a chimera style usage back and they bring someone else in to make. Hey, here's the reality though. The Los Angeles Rams are extremely cash-strapped right now. They're not in a position to go out and sign someone big. I mean, there's really nobody else left to sign. That's big name. Well, I mean, I don't believe that they'll spend high draft capital at the running back position. So if that's the case, let's say they go in to twenty nineteen which as I expect them to do with the roster of Todd Gurley Malcolm Brown, and John Kelly if that is their roster going in. I don't think they have the ability to real Todd Gurley back. That's who much. That's it. That's scenarios flaps up. I mean, we if they think that they can go into next year take their chances with the knee. And I guess it'd be flaps down wouldn't it? I was Jesse fluffy flaps up. I don't know why. I don't fly. It's it's a matter of aero-dynamics laps down. If you're reading more drab planes on the side of the road. Don't call me. I'm not coming. That's fine. I'll I won't tell you. What to do? Here's my point. If they go into the season with the mindset that Todd Gurley guy, and we can just figure it out later. Like, we're going to go in we're gonna sumit's healthy. And then we'll just sign a player like C J Anderson ask, you know, later in the season if we need to then that's your best case scenario for Todd Gurley. I mean, you're gambling with a little bit of risk, but maybe not a lot. I think that the team actually is showing us that they have massive amounts of confidence. Malcolm Brown for to have C J Anderson come in and play great for them for half a year. A baby they think. Okay. C J Anderson couldn't possibly do this again next year. It was lightning in a bottle. Now, go Brown got an offer sheet from another team. And the Rams said Jason like you said, they're cash strapped. They're trying to figure things out. But Malcolm Brown was important enough for them to go mass the offer and bring him back. I think the team believes, Malcolm, Brian. He was very good Browns player and he's capable. I mean, he he has the same careful with what I'm not saying is the same type of skill set his girly where he can be three down type of a player if he needs to be we all thought as good as girly, but we all kinda rolled our eyes when he went out last year, and Sean McVay came out, and he's like this is aimed. Yes. A massive blow to our team. Yes. But then you saw what they needed from CJ. So maybe it was. Yeah. I mean, I see what you're saying. My I think the reason they signed Malcolm Browne's offer sheet was because it wasn't that expensive. They're like, oh, all right. We can we can afford. This could have probably given Anderson less though. My was my point Joe mix in a number seven. He's Mike's number one from what I understand April second. He's our consensus seven go seven eight nine here in the studio Jason at seven I have met eight Mike has a nine in fourteen games last season to thirty seven for over eleven hundred yards and eight touchdowns forty three receptions. His stat line to me and the way he performed it. Kind of reads kind of like a watered super back in the sense that the watering-down happened by way of a bad offense and bad coaching and bad quarterback. And and injuries in. So people are saying, hey, can you take the what do you what do you put on like a go-cart to make it not go fast enough? What are they are a governor? Now, can we can the new head coach take the governor off of Joe mix in an hour. No, no. That's the government or oh, that's different. They don't put those on the golf cart drives me though. No, no, stop stop. Third most rushing yards per game last year despite all of those encumbrances. Okay. And is he ready to take the next step? Yeah. He is. I mean, you know, Jason has figured out one hundred percent Johm. What is it is ready to take the next step? The next step is to be a back that touches the ball over three hundred times. That's the next step. And you've got Zack Diller coming in as the new head coach from the Sean McVeigh breathed on him. And so you got mixing out there saying, he's he needs to make a Cologne. All totally I would buy it. I would I would one hundred percent by the Ritz. It's oh my gosh. Toilet, she'll McVay. Yeah. I can just see somebody in Detroit is spraying the heck out of map. Patricia put it up airdrops lanes. We to aerosol version news crop play up a probably crops. Oh, my good supercharge. The city with the scent of McVay Vanni by Calvin Klein, the point is that Marvin Lewis is out of the way. And they've brought in a coach who wants to go with the newer styles of offense. And they they came from having a Todd Gurley. And there are very few players in football that you could even attempt to say, okay, we've got a girly type player. But and I don't know if people realize how good forget the stats. How good Joe mixon is running back when he was coming out of the unbelievable draft class at had six superstar running back in it. He was a lot of people's number one. He was a mind number one. As far as just talent goes he was so good in college in all phases of the game. And so I think. He has the talent. And if they will give him the three hundred plus touches, which I think they will he's he is one of the only guys that's outside the top five that I think I could make a legit argument that he could finish the number one back last year was so encouraging because you've had a picture of him in the corner of your mere for a long time. And to see the the talent, you know, the opportunity go up and to see him take advantage of that opportunity. I think there's a lot of optimism surrounding Joe mixing in for good reason. The problem is the Bengals I mean, that's that's a big problem. His the problem for me is just his burst games where it it wins. You the week? He's going to be steady. He'll be an Rb one by the end of the season. But I think it's you'll have mixing and you'll be peaking over the hedges at teams that have guys like Melvin Gordon Todd Gurley going, man. It was was Joe mixing. We'll give me thirty points. Are James Connor comes in at number eight. Eight Mike you've got him up at seven Johnson has an eight I have at ten I have lost confidence in James Connor going into well his first season of as really being the guy. Now last year. He was the guy first preseason being the guy. What do you mean? Because he was he ended up being the guy last year. Well, yeah. But he's looking over shoulder the whole year or for a long alarm every week a large art at love bells coming but I'm not saying he wasn't the guy on the field. I'm saying that there wasn't a. The team hadn't put all their chips on him from day one. And that's the case this year. I mean, they're they're saying James Connor. You're not a stand in. You're not filling. You're not left bell light. We're not asking you to go. Do what he did wrestling you to be you and be the starter. And he was great. He was dominant to fifteen nine seventy three and twelve fifty five catches. How many is that? Don't do that. Again was rough. It was sensual. Yeah. It was troubling. I hope that was not every this morning. It was fifty five degrees out the seven and the ten year old. They both gave me their best rendition when ask Siri Siri, unfortunately has not very seriously. Sammy. What is going on? I don't know. It's a good one. Okay. So talk to me about James Connor where do you see his ceiling where do you see as for? So James Connors ceiling is the history of Mike Tomlin. That's that's his ceiling. The ceiling is we have a large enough body of work to say that whoever the running back is for Pittsburgh. They've got a great offensive line. Great offensive system is going to dominate fantasy. They're not going to share the load. They're not going to seed carries to the back number two. When lead bell goes down. And you know, an oldie Angela Williams comes into just it's your show when de will went down. I forget who the back was at that point. Is that when we got the Fitzgerald's? Yes, I think it was FitzGerald sun comes to som-. You're the guy you're the guy completely. So that is what makes us. Go kay. James Connors, should be an absolute one should be drafted with full confidence. But on the other side. Side are it's not as it's not as you know. The empirical evidence of Tomlin's history says James Connor will be the guy, but you also have to take into account. Jalen Samuels last year was really good. And he is a better pass catcher. I mean, he was I think classified as a tight end and growl. And so and now they've got this situation where they shockingly fired their running backs coach who has been great for a long time. Well, he told him levian bell income aback. Yes. Yes, you're gone. He had to pay and they they replaced him with the college coats from Jalen Samuel school in part because of how prepared Jalen Samuels was. They thought he's a good coach because Jalen Simmons was completely prepped to he had a good teacher. And so that's part of why they brought him on. So now, they've got a team kind of doing a little bit of investment, and Jalen Simmons. So there is worry. So you've got the empirical evidence versus the the speculative evident into elephants out of the room. I mean that that needs to be mentioned last year. Big Ben, I think five thousand plus yards five thousand one hundred twenty nine yards. They led the league in pass attempts by forty five Nomar Antonio Brown. That'll come down. No more level that will come down. And so I think what happens. I think you see efficiency decline for James Connor this year Boston. I think you hope that the reliance on the running game the office of line. I think you hope. That the the volume can compensate for the efficiency he played thirteen games last year. He had twelve touchdowns everything that again com that kind of a pace. Sorry. Everything comes down to Jalen Samuels with Jason was talking about has James Connors, the better runner the better running back. But Jalen Samuels he might have an edge on him when it comes to pass catching. But but Connor still saw that Levy mbelle targets seventy-one targets. I mean that that's serious business when you are going to be a workhorse running back, and that's why James Connor for me is number seven. If we knew for sure that it was just James Connor inheriting, everything in and going right into fulltime, levian bell. Roll like talk about what the colts. I just want. The Pittsburgh Steeler running back. You would actually be higher in my rankings? That's why he's down at seven for me. All right. You know, who I want? I want the Minnesota Vikings running back Dalvand cook comes in at number nine. In on our consensus. I haven't at seven Mike has amid eight Jason has at eleven from weeks twelve through sixteen last year. He was the Rb six and my goodness fell. As there is no one else in Minnesota Delvin cookies. The Abdulah says how dairy Mike is rest. My case. What do we think of dalvin cook? I mean this team their identity changed over the back half of the year. Obviously cook was injured. He was hurt. But he saw them a seventeen touches a game. When he was healthy. Look he could be a another like Dalvand cook. Joe mix those are two guys. I see that could take nextstep this season if someone else falters one hundred percent agree Dalvand, cook out of college. Was you know, superstar coming out of college was stretching for Doug collegian running and has dominated in the NFL win healthy the whole issue with him is health. He's dealt with several knee issues. And now he has the whole backfield to himself on a team that really wants to get back to running the ball. I mean, if Devon cook is healthy. I love him. But he scares me a lot, you know, these top running backs I just sent him in and go, I'm I'm more risk adverse when I'm looking at the top guys. He carries a much larger risk to me than some of the others. He doesn't have any history. Like Todd Gurley is dealing with injury risk in his knee and the arthritis and all that. But he has a history of complete and utter domination. He's you know, an MVP candidate last year. We haven't seen that type of stuff yet from cook. So this is one of those like if you're gonna draft cook, you're taking your shot that this is the year where he takes leap and starts doing that. Maybe you get a better draft value on draft day. But it's risky. That's what I was gonna say. I think dalvin cook is the best combination of upside and draft value available for the entire season. I think Devin cook and finish the years atop three back. I think he can be a top three fantasy football running back with what Minnesota wants to do with what he's. Been as a pro he's twenty three years old. He's a four point seven to carry guy in his career both of the seasons at he's played. He was four point eight four point seven. So the combination you're always looking for that and fantasy you the combination of draft value Pasqua and upside, and he is a pass sketchy is a very versatile player you you're not wrong. Jason he has to say healthy, but you presume health at a guy at this age. I think the way finished the season, and you presume it in part because of the team's confidence in him. They did not go out so far we've got the draft. But they didn't bring in a somebody to compete with him for carries. They practically did the opposite. They let save his Murray. Go and they replaced him with the mirror Abdulaziz. It's not a MIR. Mira Abdul is a special teams player right now the backup for double cook. As of April second would be Mike Boone goes, it's Mike Boone rock Thomas rock Thomas has gotten himself into legal trouble. Both of those guys are preseason warriors. But they're also undrafted. So we'll see what Minnesota actually does they have to bring in other runnings. Dabbagh cooking. Nobody because sounds great to me. No, no. You're right. You're right. I don't draft handcuffs in my redraft leagues. But if I draft alva- cook with my last positional pick. I might take a shot on whoever looks like the best backup for Delvin in twenty seventeen. This was super season for the Vikings. Right. They were thirteen and three one game from the Super Bowl. They were second in rushing attempts in the leak that was the recipe for their success. The twenty eighteen team they had a better rushing average than in two thousand seventeen they just didn't lean on it until the last part of the season. So chicken, I think because they were winning. They were able to actually run in twenty seven. Yeah. I mean, there is a bit of that. But when when you look at it from kind of a step back and what Mike Zimmer sees, right? Yeah. The Zimmer wants to AIG he he took the chicken approach because he Aventura changed the team. Yeah. Thank you. That's not as well. That was. Not as it was not a totally different. But let's go ahead and talk about our last guy. Here's we close out today's episode Levy on bell. He made the top ten. Hey, we could play the we the bell soon. The he's actually going to play that's pretty ominous though. Yeah. Like, yeah. It's just rightly so I mean, he's number ten. I mean, you wouldn't want that like let's say he was walking into a restaurant to eat dinner. You know here here he comes after week one. If he comes out and has a great week. We'll find a good dinner bell. You know what I mean? Like Interbail, heck you like ringing the dinner bell company, come on everybody. That's time. Is it usually a triangle? Sure that right. That's still in the bell family is I think at triangle is bell fan. I don't think it's the bell fan with Mati. You need the dungle in the middle. And we get a judge is the triangle in the bell family or do you need to have the middle dungle. I'll rule no on that. Oh my gosh. Voted against the undertaker bell that being sick. Too bad. That means nothing makes me happier than at dinner bell. The Knicks me happy the dinner. So should he showed out? We are getting a dinner bell. All right. It's been it's been a while. It's been a bit since we've seen love bell on the field. But Lewis would say the jets paid some cash money in. He is their guy. I have a nine Jason has nine Mike at ten. We all kind of agree there. The last time he played three hundred twenty one carries which would have been most in the NFL was last season. Now crap was wait. What I thought I thought L Boylan was was telling us that the triangle was a Bill that I felt bad Albouy Lynn being these other production assistant, we have here. If you don't listen to spit bars, you is an introducer for the civil fight guests, not the actual, Al Borland. Now would be ridiculous. The actual Richard KARN. You're invited. No duty. You know? He's not up to very much. You're invited the suit. You can't speak, Richard. But you can come in watch. Okay. Would you like him over your shoulder? Richard karn. My would not that would be a little don't want that beard. No, the beer theme so self conscious. Here's the deal with Levy on bell. When you give someone that much money. You are committed to giving them that much work at that's all that matters for fantasy at the running back position is how many times are they going to touch the ball. How much are they going to manufacture things for that player and love Bill has it? But he's on a bottom half offense. A guarantee though is not a guarantee I mean Sam darnold could take a step forward. If you believe that there's some opportune, but I would say the odds on of size, not very high odds on favorite Vegas. Odds would be that. The jets are not gonna sound effect for their offense owned. Perfect. Covered that, you know, look at David Johnson last year, David Johnson last year, finishes, the running back ten that's shocks people. People hated him. They hit him because he stunk, but he still finishes the runningback ten levels real good. So is David Johnson. I agree with you. But now, I think that the jets will certainly be better than the league worst cardinals last season. But it gives you an example kind of that that comp of a really good running back. Getting a lot of usage on a team that is not really winning ball games to run the clock out or scoring a ton. Can he still finish at number one the old Lenovo ceilings gone? I say no you've been removed impossible. Okay impossible. What's real ceiling top five top five? Yeah. I would say is like in the like number one, no like five or three to five to five. Yeah. There you go. All right. So that wraps it up for the top ten running backs in our consensus rankings. Here in April, Zeke sake on Kershaw, McCaffrey. Melvin Gordon Alvin Kamara Todd Gurley Joe mixing James Conard, Alvin cook love bell. And we'll proceed with the rest on our next episode. Thanks for tuning in to the show up. Wait, wait. I can't stop the show. I know I can't sell this show because we just got an Email, and I just remembered that we got an Email. Did you see this? No brennan. Did you did you see that Email? I saw what the deal was. 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Dolphins & Jets Double Trouble: Potential Breakout TE?

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Dolphins & Jets Double Trouble: Potential Breakout TE?

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I didn't know if like we were on or if there was some sort of technical malfunction I think the only technical malfunction is in your. Brain. Matthew? Well, no, it could be. It could be that you know that whoever is controlling it back there is this like you know what's a better visual for the people for the fan base, just a logo and? The logo now now now it's been adjusted. For All. And because of that I'm not sure if a visually we saw yeah, we did say hello to find Daniel Matthew and I m feel let's get Gold Chateau de cones. Correct. There she is. Now let's get going with double trouble today. A couple of we've had some really really interesting teams have already. been part of our focus double trouble I think today's are sort of interesting not as much fantasy stardom here. But let's begin with the Miami Dolphins Matthew whilst talk about the jets in a little bit the dolphins have win projection of six this year up from five wins. Last season they've been busy this off season but let's begin with the player that. I'm trying to be over. Okay. Interesting. Take the over on six when I think six and a half is inappropriately peg number. I'll think about that one maybe having answered by the end of the show I mean no device that process going to be can you just show me what it looks like when you think what's that? What's that process like like? Throughout the course the. The fact that you don't have an opinion right now but over the course of the next hour yeah, I'm GonNa you're GonNa like you're just GonNa like you're GonNa Mall and like I'm GonNa maybe try to get look at their schedule during a break or something we don't have breaks we don't have breaks hey, what is your on a Filibuster I'll take a look at the schedule we saw fields thinking face for those that are watching on youtube the ESPN, APP ESPN fantasy, facebook page, or on twitter you can watch the fantasy APP we're now apparently on the ESPN fan. tastic. Relations. So we saw fields thinking face. What is your thinking face look like? It's this. Okay. Do you guys like I watch a lot of it because obviously have kids you guys ever watch spongebob. No, right. Okay. So Spongebob Best Friend is Patrick and that must are starfish starfish. That's me I'm Patrick. Patrick is always at the same. Yeah. Exactly. Just in terms of mental capacity that's me or Patrick Star just a this. Stare everyone. Exactly. Patrick. If you if you were ever a real human patrick, the voice of Patrick, is probably worth billions because that show is a behemoth rating, it is a and it's it's a fantastic show. But I mean just like we don't need to get too far. I know. What does that just going to say just in terms of creativity in terms of what they what they it's a really well done There's a reason why it's a you know it's a worldwide phenomenon. Okay. So let's level set again again today show will be the Miami Dolphins and the New York jets and you'll see for those that are watching the projected win totals for these two teams the. Jets went seven and nine last year the dolphins five and eleven in two thousand twenty jets have a wind projection of six and a half the dolphins six. These are both of course, courtesy of Caesar's which are two and a half and three games behind the Patriots, and bills tied at nine. Let's fantasy football though Matthew and rare is the case when a player breaks out in a major way. In his fifth pro season devante Parker became rare last year because of day Parker had the breakout that we had been waiting for for not one not two. But five seasons he was incredible from week three on. Don't they parker was wide receiver three in terms of total points that is astonishing and you know I know that. Let you know that I. Think. I'll tell you I'll tell you because. And our producer Matt Harrington picked him up in the Espn war-room fantasy football league s and every single Monday you would come in with a big blank eating grin all about your devante Parker who was again crush for you. This is sixteen team league like there's nothing on the way war. So finding a guy like devante Parker on the wire and then writing them all week long all season long. Yes. Made you somewhat unbearable. Somewhat yes. Entirely. Appropriate description there any. I'm well aware of devante Parker heroics, last year and fantasy football telling story DEVANTE Parker on our war room roster is in some ways illustrative of what the conundrum was last year we were getting offers for devante Parker early on in the season, and if you were to revisit them at the end of the year, you'd think to yourself that's the most insulting offer that has ever been presented earlier. People were offering me insurance running backs like, Hey Tony Pollard for devante. Parker, are you kidding me right? Tony had zero value in that league? Obviously he's fine. LASSIE's but zero value weekly Devante Parker, one of the best wide receivers and football. So. He was wide receiver fifteen in terms of points per game. Now, remember those first two weeks of skew those numbers a little bit. Are you buying the twenty nine hundred was the breakout is regression is Eric Hebron two point Oh remember Eric. Then, came back down to Earth how are you level Devante Parker because my answer in a moment but where are you at so I'm buying it somewhat okay. Okay. So first off I, just want to take a moment here secret squirrel to mention that field use the word illustrative illustrative and conundrum in the same sentence without missing a beat yeah you missed to beat just trying to. Write and I didn't have to come up with those who? Merely trying to reduce shopping. You really are. It's really impressive Wesley early. So good there. Yes. Yeah. Hey. Hailey is suggesting words. You can't say segment we need more than actually extra hour for that one. Exactly that might be a special six part series anyway. So the answer is Emma buying devante, parker breakout field yates, and somewhat. So I buy it to this extent. devante parker is a talented wide receiver. There's a reason why we were also Gaga over him coming out of Louisville why he was a an dover okay. Yeah. He was a very high draft pick and why for many years many fantasy analysts such as myself would right this is the year devante. I mean every single year you would always read this is the year for devante Parker breakout. So we've always known the physical tools were there. We've always known like this isn't some guy that came out of nowhere. This is the guy that produced at a very high level at the college level was drafted as you said, fourteenth overall no one was. Really devante Parker I mean no-one no-one shook their head at that draft pick when he was drafted. Like he was he was highly regarded coming out of college. So here, the reasons why I finish. Having said all that Accounts for one for field because you're not done with your I was not then he just stepped right in. Thank you. For field you're here I appreciate that look. So while eight so I by it's. Somewhat. So is the talent there yes, and it's finally sort of emerging. However. You take a look at the splits here, Preston will, Williams who's the other starting wide receiver for the Miami Dolphins last year missed weeks ten through seventeen. See Look at Devante Parker weeks one through nine. Again, those first couple of weeks it's a little bit skewed but still weeks one through nine devante parker three and a half catches on six three point three targets. Average eleven point five fantasy points per game weeks ten through seventeen five and a half catches a game on nine and a half targets a game nineteen point three fantasy points per game an eight point fantasy points per game difference between when Preston Williams was in the lineup. Versus not so do I think he gets the massive target share that he did last year I don't think the dolphins are as many shootouts as they were last year. I don't because I. do think the dolphins are going to be a better team this year. So I took the over on the six win total. So so do I think devante Parker is talented NFL wide receiver and he's more what he was last year then is for the first four years of his career. Yes. But do I think he's the third best wide receiver as he was from week three on last year I do not I have him at wide receiver twenty-six. Here's why I'm buying it. So beyond the things that you have laid out and you laid out a lot of the details here, we're talking this cost right Devante Parker right now in terms of the ranking do admit twenty-six I also twenty-six, his ADP is wide receiver twenty-eight. So you're getting appropriate value for a player who established himself in this way Devante, Parker volume is not going to be Michael Thomas Deandre Hopkins? Or June players of that. But what is going to have is enough volume enough ability the guys a talented player took five years, but he's still at twenty, five, twenty, six years old this item to a four year forty million dollar extension and I get what you're saying about how the numbers ballooned when Preston Williams was not on the field and pressed Williams's coming back, put the dolphins trust and and Devante Parker. Blue like Monday Parker is not viewed. Now in the same light, he was when Preston Williams both made the roster as an undrafted rookie last year, and then eventually got hurt for the dolphins and. What he is is a very good vertical wide receiver because you pointed out some of the numbers but he was a top twenty player in terms of overall targets per game but he was only twenty in terms of catches per game average four and a half catch per game. Last season did devante Parker but he's enough vertical threat that I think the big plays are GonNa continue to come even if touchdowns aren't quite as productive as they were last year and just talent standpoint matthew, the defensive player at the best defensive player in football last year was to formula he won. The award week seventeen with everything on the line. Patriots have a chance for a first round Pine Devante. Parker took his cookies I mean he was unbelievable last year in that game. So I'm buying the tally also by the way he played well, Matt Game I mean I know like the whatever there was some sort of I guess weird. Yeah. Regain thing where he took his cook post game I don't know what I don't know about that story that you're talking about the I guess it's breaking news, but I'm just going to say he also in addition to whatever this thing was. Very. Very well against. The also the lasting about devante Parker he's had some legendary beefs with Michael Thomas on. Instagram this. Yes. I am going back and forth on the Graham way too much screen time for me during quarantine but let's be honest everybody. Else's same boat I. Do WanNa Talk About Preston Williams. Oh, just a little bit because we asked find you and we'll bring her from. Chateau cone Matico cone volumes are fine. You Bell surrounded by Paparazzi and where Rico celebrated his birthday was a late night last night. I got a bunch of drunk tests from Rico like I dunno like three. Am was kind of ours are like sort of like went down and so I don't know what was going on over there. Chatto to cone to find you and Rico. But. How are you? How one year old? Is One year old he was not drinking is not old enough yet so Stop those. Has Bari's. You don't need a lot to give an excuse to drink or wine. Let's be clear about that. Right. Star is texting Beth. I thought I was texting bathroom ended up with you for enough. All right star Bell press to Williams showed some promise last year then tore his ACL. Look we we should mention this right off the top Allan hearns an Albert Wilson of both opted out for the twenty twenty season. So when you think about the dolphins, there's a target share that's available for not a lot of guys. So Preston Williams could be for a big role this year if he's healthy, so ask us to find your belt. Is He healthy? One of the things we always talk about when somebody tears are ACL is what time of year did it happen if it happened preseason or early in the season you feel pretty confident about the start of the year. If it happens late, you don't feel great about them being one hundred percent by the start of the year think of Carson Wentz but in this case, it was early November for Preston William. So it's right in the middle and that makes week one hit around the ten month mark now could he be ready? Yes but again, and this can be a theme all year long this altered season with no Ta's just Rehab worked for Preston Williams. He's not really getting a chance to do football work until he comes in with the group this fall and there won't be any game action for him to test his knee until you get to week one of the season so whether he's ready for week one or not, and it sounds like he intends to be ready for week one but there's probably going to be a ramp up period in terms of him acclimating to the speed of the game facing contact. There's generally some apprehension for somebody coming off this type of injury especially when you get defenders crowding around you and that's all going to be new to him. So I think it's hard to imagine plunking. Him Right back into where he left off when he sustained the injury could he get there as the season progresses sure but I don't think he starts there immediately and so it makes it a little tricky to value him because we're not really going to see it until the season starts I wanted to jump in on that devante Parker bit as well. Last year I don't think it was a coincidence I season in five years he played all sixteen games. He was injured a lot and I think that's part of why he never really fully realized his talent. So he's off to a good start this year because he comes in healthy and playing a full season. For the first time, that's a great notes to find you appreciate that we will check back in with you at the Chateau Kohn a little bit later on in the show but you know it's interesting field. So she talks about the fact that devante Parker is one hundred percent healthy come into season and preston quote that really stood out to me is like Cudi get there over the course of season. Sure. Didn't sound super confident I I haven't wide receiver forty two and I think I'm too high I'm Gonna I'm going to lower him in my ranks. The other thing that you need to think about is defined reference again shortened offseason lots of changes and remember. There's probably going to be at quarterback change here for the Miami Dolphins Right. We expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to to start the season. But to should come in at some point maybe we'll see but and Chan Gailey is their new offense coordinator. So a lot of change here for the Miami Dolphins, and now you've got Preston Williams who hearings defined it doesn't sound like we expect him to be one hundred percent to start the season massive target share probably coming for Devante Parker at least to start the season. We're you on Preston Williams this year as. We talk about a kind of these late round flyers is he a guy that is a late round fire for you? Because again once he gets healthy, he could have a massive target. Sure. There's not a Lotta guys there or are you thinking like He's somebody maybe I'll pick up on a waiver. We'll be in a waiver wire for me at some point during the season but no one I'm. Drafting probably, both right because aren't a lot of late round flyers guys that you might consider but you also might bypass in the entire league might bypass that player as well like it winner he's being undrafted in forty percent of leaks right now is Preston Williams. So in depending on leaks is if I'M GONNA, ten team League, probably not drafting him I think we'll get drafted in the League which is the League. Yeah I'm fine with it like I think he's a solid player I. think he's Vertical Threat I. Think he benefited some from the fact that they were getting just dusted last year in the first. Five six, seven weeks of the season teams were stealing their cookies stealing cookies. So yeah, I think. He's a fine player. Bucket I. I will get a bucket at some point and now throw Preston Williams in my bucket of flyers. We asked for a bucket like we. It's not that we have a huge budget on the show, but we requested a bucket we put in the bucket request and you fill out the form secret squirrel I. Did I related them I- triplicated them I buried in Peat Moss you send them off what I did. It's It's did you. Did. You send the Nate Ravitz. Oh Ultra. Here at ESPN. That's the mistake. He's trying to can't he's trying he's trying to take the showdown we get it. All right. So let's talk. About their so about the running backs matthew the dolphins last year this is amazing. It's one of my favorite SAS from two, thousand, nine hundred. The dolphins leading rusher last season was Ryan Fitzpatrick. With I believe two hundred and forty, two rushing yards last seat him. There was nowhere to go but up now obviously the deal with the trade of Kenyan drake close to mid season injuries and just in Caleb Balaj. A chance. Only, he got a chance what real quickly before we get into the dolphins running back to address Kaelin block for one second I. Got you know Thirsty Kyle, sent me a note this morning it said take the l did take the Kalem. Balaj. Go. Tell you something. Tell you something? I want to tell you something. They'll put them back up the screen. Daily. There's he can't feel like he got a haircut by the way you feel like from an Afro, a bus got air guy. Decided to a twelve year old man. I was told he was going to stay in the bunker for the entire season. We gotTA somebody to give him a haircut bar people at there have been here for like four months. All right. So. So anyway I dismembered a funny line that I can't say on TV but or whatever we're on but hey, try it. There's a cow. No. Trust me. So. What I was going to say is is Thirsty Kyle, on terms of taking the Ellen Kayla. I'm not gonNA take an Kaelin block and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you exactly why. Matthew. Berry I'm ready for wipe. My argument Kaelin Balaj last year was he was being undrafted in every ESPN league like he was. Running back, sixty, two overall and my argument was this guy that I believe when you look at sort of like I don't believe in Kenyan drake and I was just talking about the Miami running back situation. This is a guy that I think has a path to fantasy relevancy. This is a guy that has a chance for free that has a chance at having a significant role on the dolphins and he got that he started games last year he was an undrafted player now he was awful when he got. there. But it costs people nothing Haas people nothing he was free and so my point is I can't play the game for the players I can't as much as they would all love me too. I can't get out there and run the ball for my can't make the passes or throw the catches. All I can do is say like here's a guy that I believe is going to get an opportunity and it's up to them to walk through that door I can leave the water I can't make him drink. Walk through that door Daniel. Exactly. It's so I got you Kaelin. Bosch to the water. It's not my fault that he couldn't drink. It's not my fault that he didn't drink. That's all. I'm saying it's like you know what like I got you a free guy that started a couple of games from Miami Dolphins. So I'm not taking the L., we're taking a W. Like. I'm not telling victory lap obviously because he was awful but I'm just saying I don't think I don't think saying Hey Caleb Balaj and somebody that will have a role on the dolphins. Last here's a guy that's not being drafted and I believe he's got a very easy path to fantasy relevancy to having a role in the dolphins offense. I. Don't think that's how I got. This is like the exact same thing that happens with a lot of our ells. We suggest that you play this guy we think that Brian Hill is going to be really useful hill was an out where do you think? Brian Hills starting running back for two scores, a lot of points, and then he got a lot of Carolina. The NFL. Okay. Anything else counter here you said, Kayla blocks would have a chance to start and would return on running back sixty to ADP which was basically free. He got there. He reached your upside he was able to start games. Where do you think he finished the year among running back lower? The negative eight seventy five. So he didn't return value and he reached what you were hoping for. But we've been out here. But he wasn't drafted running back sixty to my point is picked up as a free agent. I'm just saying listen. I'm obviously not taking a win or free like I think it's like half an L. I think it's like half an l.. A. Straight Line. Incomplete. Ryan Patrick Dusk Time. All right. The running backs this year Miami are far more talented and I think have far more chances at fantasy relevant. They gave Jordan Howard a two year deal worth ten million dollars and they traded from that breed. It was a fifth round pick going to San Francisco. For one year of map read at least as of right now. Is there dolphins running back that you are targeting this season or did you just punt on them because what happened last year? Me Jordan Howard. Give me Jordan Howard to all day and twice on Sunday Okay Jordan Howard look. I've made this point before but Jordan Howard another guy I always do my ten lists at ten right and one of the list that I usually do is like here's ten unsexy guys that no one will be jealous of that. You drop it will help you when you're league and Jordan how it's GonNa make that list. Got It. John. Howard's GonNa make the loveless as well. When that comes out Jordan Howard is being drafted as running back thirty seven right now running back thirty seven no one likes Jordan Howard. All Jordan Howard has done since he's come into the NFL in two thousand sixteen. He is third in rushing yards he is seven and rushing touchdowns. Through the first ten weeks of last season with the Philadelphia Eagles splitting time with Miles Sanders he was the twentieth best running back in fantasy. Last season, there are only five running backs minimum one hundred carries who a higher percentage of Kerry's that when ten plus yards then Jordan Howard. There are still some bursts. There's still some wiggle is he going to be involved in the passing game? No, he isn't get Miami's not a sexy team and you think this is an offense that, but it's going to be a better offense than you think. They spent the offseason improving their offensive line. This is going to be a decent offensive line decent. It's going to be a decent offensive line. It was brutal one last year it's going to be a decent offense of line so and his only competition his only competition for touches in that Backfield is Matt Brita who cannot stay healthy. Manny. Matt. Brita who leaves game early. Brita who who? Mad Rita who in his NFL career. I want to bring this up. So mad and his NFL career has had three, hundred, eighty, one carries. He has six rushing touchdowns when they get anywhere close who's getting the ball it's Jordan. Howard is go Jordan Howard. I'm not done yet. I'm on to Jordan Howard ran four straight years of six or more rushing touchdowns. The only other active running backs with such a streak Mark Ingram Todd Gurley Melvin Gordon, a Zeke Elliott Jordan Howard is going as. Running back thirty, seven, thirty I like I'm not saying Jordan Howard a world beater but you're telling me that he's not going to finish at assuming health that he's not gonna be better than running thirty seventy is running about twenty last year on a points per game basis for he got hurt and that was the first time he's gotten hurt NFL career. You're saying a lot of things that are all pertinent and they kind of. Steer back to the simplified version of this, which is that Jordan Howard is a very good power behind a better offensive line. As long as he's healthy, he's going to have a role like Jordan Howard has always had a role in his Chicago ten year, and then in his Philadelphia tenure, you follow the money here he's going to score some touchdowns for you. He is like. Adrian Peterson in the sense that he is much more of a runner than any level of a receiver. But this is a guy who's going to be effective enough to return investment here. Yeah. We need need hang on. We built a I made thirsty Kabul the full screen. Okay. Yea. Throw this up. Look at Jordan Howard right here. Look this look at this look at that list. This is the guy that's going is running back thirty seven, right. So lush aren't able to See that because they're listening there is a list right now that appears on the screen of rushing touchdowns inside the tent since two thousand, sixteen number one is Todd Gurley with forty number two Ezekiel Elliott with twenty-seven Number Three Melvin Gordon with twenty, six, number four tied for number four is Jordan. Howard with twenty four. Yeah and all there's five guys on this list and all five of them might the the guy that's going the lowest in terms of ADP is Mark Ingram who's going around running back twenty somewhere in that running back eighteen to twenty two range. I don't know exactly what Ingram's saying he. Jordan the ones I enjoyed Jordan House going running back thirty seven. That's my point. They're all going top twenty running backs except for Jordan Howard who's is running back thirty-seven he's obviously not going to be involved in the passing game I get it. There's some limited upside, but there is a very legitimate shot Jordan Howard finishes year with nine to eleven touchdowns, the inverse of James White but with the same kind of value. Know what you mean that he's just basically a flex play. Well, James White's going to not. escort. A ton of rushing touchdown he'll have probably seventy, seventy, five catches. This year I never do is that what Jordan Howard is just as a power runner supposed to receiving back yeah. Potentially I think there's a little bit more upside to Jordan Howard. Janzen rushing I mean, right exactly. Like if the dolphins are anywhere close to competitive. And He's a guy that could easily have double digit touchdown. All right. Its defining going WanNa get you back into the mix here and ask you about Matt. Brita who of course was formerly part of your beloved forty niners and define what can you tell us about Matt Brutus Health Matthew referenced it often feels like he's just one play away from a nagging injury flaring up during the game. I don't think Matthews totally wrong but I think the recency bias works against Matt Brita here because Earth perception I believe that he misses far more time than he does last Syria ankle injury that did cost him three games. But before the season, if you guys recall back in May, I believe he had a torn peck and he was going to Miss All OTA's. So again, you were hearing about an injury for Matt. Breda even when it wasn't the season, the prior year the year, the forty niners couldn't seem to keep anybody on the field. He missed two games and he did play injured in a number of them and part of the reason was they needed him on the field. So it was like he could never really get fully healthy and part of that was just the deficit, the forty niners operating at because so many guys. Were injured when he was brought into the forty niners remember he was brought in to be a backup to Carlos Hyde. He's got a small frames five ten about one ninety I don't think they ever envisioned. He would end up being the starter. But after he showed some flash in his rookie season, the following year jerk McKinnon who was brought in is out with an acl tear and then he doesn't get right for. Last year. So I think married is workload increased just as result of the personnel situation around him camera wolf is saying that he's GonNa Lineup wide receiver some now that he's with the dolphins I think depending on how they use him he could be really valuable for fantasy but I agree that Jordan Howard is likely to be the one who's getting the ball near the end zone I. Mean just make sense with his size. Thank you very much for that, and we'll come back to you and just a little bit couple of notes on that one is he does have this going for me is incredibly fast. He was the fastest ball carrier per next Gen stats both twenty eighteen and twenty, nine, thousand, nine season when you find the single fastest play. And we have them as as you saw on the graphic for those that are watching each of us you Daniel I have them around running back forty or forty. ONE IS ADP forty-three. So we think he's being drafted appropriately. You've sort of highlighted some of the limitations we talk about the. Chance that the speed can really rear itself the question I think is pretty simple. He has never. Excuse me he has. Matt Brita in career has no games with more than seventeen carries. He's played for three seasons. So the question would be whether Miami gives him the opportunity that San Francisco was unwilling to, and typically when it comes to running back, evaluations were pretty trustworthy in Shanahan. Right he node is doing with that position. The fact that he hasn't been willing to do it maybe raises a bit of a red flag that perhaps nobody will be willing to give him consistently above fifteen or eighteen even twenty carries. He's miss five games the last two years. So He's appeared in just twenty seven games. The last two seasons antenna, those twenty seven games field he played under twenty snaps. Like I mean I, it map read it. Unbelievably talented guy, and he's clearly very tough. But I cannot tell you how many times I'm watching a niner's game and like and there's Matt Brita limping to the sideline I hear just can't I mean like and then like always gonna come back and he's GonNa try and you know and like you're you're starting them and you're hoping and just listen rooting for the kid. But. His health concerns that have happened throughout his career are among the other reasons why I'm all in on Jordan Howard at his ADP of running back thirty seven he's basically free as an employer. You've got a lot on your plate, running your and showing workplace safety and much more. So leaving your hiring to the one place that makes finding qualified candidates fast navy ziprecruiter DOT COM Slash Ozo- ziprecruiter sends your job to over one hundred of the Web's leading job sites, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology ziprecruiter skins, thousands of resumes. 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Awesome player last year for them down the stretch he is being drafted right now is the fifteenth tight end all those draft close to fifty percent of leagues. He asked sanity. So are you buying the high frame is a is a breakout candidate this year. Bought, it took it home played with it, put it on a shelf in an appropriate place. Yeah go to bed with it at night. Are you kidding me hundred percent? I'm in on the hype of my Koseki let me read you some names, some names we re just some names. Gesture Rogers Ricardo. Louis. Malcolm Perry. To Kim Grant. Matt. Collins Isaiah Ford. Those are those racecar drivers. Yeah. Those are my other. You need the other pass catchers they have in Miami you heard to defined you talk about Preston Williams, not going to be a hundred percent to start the season. Right? We we've talked about the fact that Alan hearns and Albert Wilson have already opted. I actually like Isaiah four I think he's a nice player kind of like Mac Collins what I mean like. But I'm not worried about any of these guys like you talk about target share Mike, he's going to get a massive target share. You think about what he did over the second half of last year from week nine on. This is a kid that was the eighth best tight end fantasy both in total points on on a per game basis, he was ranked over Hunter Henry over that stretch hundred course going about five or six rounds earlier than might Koseki. In those games from weeknight on a guy that average over seven targets game six among tight ends, he ran thirty five routes game those second most. He was first in end zone targets. Like. He actually was tied for the most endzone targets in the NFL Jared Cook, Mark Andrews Mon Mike Koseki at the position at the position right now matthew he's an incredible athlete. Yeah. He's their best biddle, the field target they have right now they have a dearth of pass catchers besides the two wide receivers that we talked about. He's reliable. I love this. This is a fun stat because it's anytime. You can be lumped in with other Travis Kelsey or George kittle. It's a good staff for tight end. Tight End Mikey joined George biddle as the only tight ends last year with fifty or more targets and zero drops. Right. So when the balls being thrown to Mike Ezekiel generally speaking he's down with it. So although you mentioned earlier, the dolphins are gonNA. Have quite as many games where they're playing from behind and playing in shootouts. I still think they're going to be enough or they are going to have Sundays where it's all right. It's not out by eighteen in the fourth quarter can. Think it's going to be a balanced offense i. think it's just going to be a balanced offense is what I'm saying and so I, just I think people are sleeping on him I can't believe he's going tight and fifteen again you and I both have as a top eleven guy and if he finishes his Titan Seven or eight that would not shock me, he was another guy that was very highly thought of coming out of college and so now in his second year in the NFL I'm expecting big things for my Koseki secret score. What he got, do you have luscious long locks like me or s hard partly the style comb over like field or just? Something considerably less than what field and I have. A new season, it's sport clips, haircuts guys are Guy Smart Style clean certified our stores and processes are better cleaner and safer than ever get yourself back in the game today with our legendary MVP experience enjoy a hot steam towel relaxing shampoo and a winning cut. Shampoo. Matthew is what people put on the top of their head or stuff that's up there checking online today, select your Stylus, get a text when you are up to bat and walk out with confidence it's easy and convenient, and you'll feel like an MVP Hayfield you know you ever. People talk about sub tweeting. That's that's the whole thing. What's what's the? What's the real live version of being sub tweeted? When somebody like reads live read at your? Restaurants. That passive aggressive and felt like a little bit felt. Like you were. Just. Aggressive State unaggressive. I don't WanNA misconstrued anything. Okay. Yes. Calling you bald. Fall as balding meal I'm ball ing you've been hold on strong for. You know it's interesting. I posted a on instagram where you can follow me at Matthew Berry tm are I'm on Matthew Berry t martin all forms of social media except the fantasy APP where merely at Matthew Berry download the fantasy life APP one, hundred percent free. But what I would say here field is that I recently posted a picture, my son, my oldest son David turned twenty two. Okay and I posted a picture of. Technically. My Stepson, right. So I, I have a picture of when I came into his life. He was ten. And so I posted a picture of me when I was when he was ten and a picture of us when he was twenty two on his birthday, I can't believe this kid's twenty two that kind of post and a lot of the comets were like Whoa Berry aging pretty well, like just like like you got old quick but you then you held on. Like 'cause I like basically the same amount of hair from like twelve years ago is what I'm saying is is like like I had a little bit a patch here. It's Kinda gone a little bit more of my forehead, but otherwise, it's phase actually a win to have the patch con. Maybe. It might be hundred of I'm just saying like if you looked at the photo like I got a lot of the same thing where it's like like. You you got old quick but then like it sort of leveled off. Yeah. The Way to do it if you're to age all at once right and then just live the rest of your life like that Matthew you're GonNa look good when you're eighty. What makes you think I'm not there now. This is an appropriate metaphor in comparison. I think to the next player that we're GONNA talk about. It was not long ago. That lady on bell was an MVP type player in fantasy football. The guy was an absolute fantasy superstar and then what happened he got old quick he got quick but he also did he taunted the fantasy. God. taunted the fantasy God's fantasy Karma. Surreal. Thing. You know what he did is he said he told everyone draft number one overall and yes, I'm gonNA report and he's tweeting all these things out and then what does he do? He doesn't show up and then he's he's giving it on the record interview. Jeremy Fowler he's like I'm GonNa come there during the steelers bye week he doesn't. He taunted the fantasy God's like if he had said, no, I'm holding out till I get a new deal or I just don't want to play this year been fine. But he taunted the fantasy God's he told everyone is still draft himself overall number one and what happened is he was he was a massive bust. He was a massive bus hasn't been the same player since. All right. So Levy on bell last year was his first season with the new? York. Jets signed that very lucrative contract with them in free agency he finished last year is running back eighteen points per game basis at fourteen point three, three points per game you Daniel. Nye. All have them ranked as running back seventeen. His ADP is running back eighteen. It feels as though everybody is sort of seeing levy on bell. The same way which I think we've reached the stage that I was sort of referencing from lay beyond belt whose only twenty eight by the way, which is crazy to think. Lady on bells on a top ten running back. He may have a couple of top ten weeks this upcoming year but it's volume driven, and if you look at the jets backfield while they did sign the ageless frank core and they did draft. Michael. P. Run out of Florida in the fourth round I have a hard time believing that lady on bell is not slated for a massive work share again this year and I gotta say one thing about lady I'm bill in the past Matthew you're right He has been a player that has been frustrated in the public, but I really respect what lay beyond been for the jets and see signed with them. Last off season. He has been reliable. He's been durble. He's been a really good team leader. He's been respectful. The organization I think he's Kinda matured in a way that I have a lot of respect for and think bodes well for him remaining a big part of the offense this year but the ceiling tapped it feels like the ceiling quite limited. So I'm going to have a surprising take for you here. As you know, I've been you know Anti Levi anti-labour and Belen Heaven for awhile. I think has a really good year this year. Like. I think he's got a shot at it. I got a shot at it. I wouldn't draft in there. But I will tell you this like I'm with you I look he is not the same explosive player he was. On that? Yeah. No, I'm with you there. I'm not arguing that. But. What I am going to tell you is that I think this jets offense is GonNa be a lot better than it was last year was stuck in the mud and hang on. Let me finish. What I'M GONNA? Tell you here is that that's offense would sam. DARNOLD under center higher year will be helpful and more importantly what are the jets do this off season I think they have a real front office now. I know you agree about that? You're Joe Douglas Fan. As am I and they improve their offensive line dramatically dramatically improved their offensive line You know Connor McGovern George fant. Alex. And then they drafted MCI Becton and I, don't know if people like has anyone see remember game of thrones no member. Yeah owns right. So game of thrones had the character the mountain. Yes. He was just like this like insanely like that's what MCI back in MCI Becton is. I'm not making these numbers up he's eight foot ten and a thousand pounds. That's impressive. Yes. No in also says. He's six, seven, three, sixty, four. That's he's he's a massive massive man and so behind a better offense of line with a more efficient offense, I think insane volume for Lavar Leeann Bell and we know what a good pass catcher is i. think he's going to be a value at his current. ADP. I don't I. Don't know he may get to top ten but I just think he is. I'm in only beyond ballad is ADP this year. I actually think he does better assuming health, which is always you know but assuming health I think he finishes better than running back eighteen this year. Okay. So I just sort of feel appropriately slotted look I think he's got a chance finish as like a low in rb to because of the volume but matthew so you may have sent me a text want to hear the text. Me So a second ago you just said Hold on. Don't say another word meanwhile the next time I get going to start talking you just bulldoze right through it. Yeah. Well, Thursday constantly text. Okay. I. Just asked if you want to read the tenths of you don't want the I want the decks, but there's the. Field. Let them read the twin? Do say it's too thirsty kyle just got a new. He's proud. Here comes like four days ago. So proud did you go sport clips? I would hope you went to support Yes yes. Yes. He's is of course there you go. There you go good job hot towel everything around at tastic at their MVP service. Fantastic. All right. Good. Bell had thirteen games as a top thirty running back the only running backs with more twenty nineteen Leonard Fournette, Austin Actor, Chris, McCaffrey Ezekiel Elliott. He definitely has a high floor, those sorts of cows little tweet text there. S Not. Bad not bad. So again, this is the point that I was trying to make before someone. So rudely cut me off. I think he had two hundred and forty five carries last season. You get a ton of carries again this year he's GonNa, catch a bunch of passes exactly does he's one of the best passerini backs in the NFL still. He had zero carries for twenty plus yards season. I believe it's been four years since bells at a thirty plus yard Kerry. There is basically zero explosive plays coming from Lake on bell which I don't see the top ten upside that you just mentioned outperforming. ADP. Because I don't think this is going to score a ton of touchdowns as year. My reservations are that who is scaring in the passing game and we'll talk about the past countries in a second. I think the lady on Beleive appreciation for the player. He has become the man he's become for the past year with the jets. I. Just think he's appropriately slot as a low end rb to that's where he is. I. Feel comfortable him there. I'd say I say the top fourteen fantasy player. How about that? The free finished top fourteen fancy where I'm Jay say leave me I'm bell's not going to. Want to do aboard down here. Okay good. I say, Libyan Bellona points per game basis finishes at the top fourteen fantasy running back I on Bellingham Post regained basis does not finish as a top fourteen running back in two thousand, twenty put on board the Board. Now, I would just one less thing. Let's let's call eight games minimum that seems like a reasonable eight to ten. What do you think is reasonable now we don't know how many games the NFL is GonNa but I now. Half of the half of the game, the player jets play. How about that? Okay leave it there. Matthew we're going to talk about the wide receivers in a second but first from you. So we had this conversation I love els. Anyway go ahead a few shows ago we had this conversation as I said, I don't often like to position Shuji you pick this wide receiver from this team or that wide receiver from the same team because wait wait wait wait before we move on. Can you just let? No No, you know the audience does not like this right I think some of them do I think you'd be surprised. All right. Hang on but I think they do want this. They don't appreciate the the interruptions but I do think they appreciate me trying to get the information and if you wanted some insurance for beyond bell. Do you prefer Frank Gore Orla Michael P Ryan neither is not worth the roster spot. Okay. But I think that's I think that's a fair question ask. I think that's a fair question as secret squirrel your thoughts. I would also roster neither of them right I also, but I get. It's a good thing to bring up. Yes. When we're talking about, can I? All right go. Haley can I go. Okay. All right. Here we go. I can go. As I was saying earlier, we rarely want to have people have to say I I'm choosing this wide receiver or that wide receiver because many cases they're not being drafted at. The same place right Julio Jones versus Calvin. Really well, it's a first round investment or maybe a second round investment versus let's say fourth fifth or sixth round investment. But. As we discussed with the Bengals Tyler Board in AJ. Green were right next to each other. We have a kind of close thing with the jets right now between Jamison crowder and Bershad Perriman who I know is not being drafted in a ton of leaks but based off of rankings and also based off where I think these guys wind up when eighty ps are reset as we get closer to the start of the year, you may be choosing between these two jets wide receivers. And I think it's sort of a fundamentalism and you have to make do you want chase the volume of Jason Jamison crowder and the familiarity he's a, he's a Adam Gates preferred player. Or do you want the upside approach pyramid who last year became fantasy rockstar in the playoffs and was unbelievable in the high flying buccaneers offense which do you prefer or are you excited about potentially both of them being relevant this year? Talk, you can go now I just WanNa make sure I don't want to be polite replied I apologize field. To me this is gonNA sound like I'm fencing, but it sort of depends. Because it depends on my roster construction when Nelson Secret Squirrel it does it depends on your construction when you get to that spot in your draft again. Crowd at thirty nine. I have a paramedic forty one so I suppose. If you're just going by Meringues I have crowder, two spots higher and I think that he will be much more consistent fantasy asset. But again, like it abundant sort of how you've constructed roster, you get to that spot and you're like, do I need somebody like you know? Is it a legal? You're starting three wide receivers and just need a guy that can get me like consistent. You know like you know ten points a week, the mets crowder or if you like I'm pretty good at wide receiver I wanna take a swing at defenses then it's paramount. So I think it depends on what you need at that point in the draft and so they're very different players I. will say this. It really liked. Reshad pyramid much. We talked about with Devante. Parker it's interesting that we're doing in the same show I feel like paramount is Kinda the same way just with a much smaller sample size. Bouchard. Perriman. Was a first round draft pick by the Baltimore Ravens K. Hat stuff suffered issues with drops with. Around the League quite a bit. You know founder home in. Tampa Bay last year injuries to Mike Evans injury to Chris Godwin he suddenly. Emerging. But then over the final five weeks, those guys get hurt and suddenly Bershad Perriman if you watch those games that I watched them all very closely for shot paramount became the OH. That's the guy that was drafted as a first round or like it wasn't some of it was junk time but I'm telling you this is a guy that that ran precise routes that made contested catch that had great hands like you're like Oh. That's the guy we saw in college, and so I feel like he turned a corner, he's taking the Robbie Anderson role obviously because Robbie Anderson moved. On from the jets to the Carolina Panthers here again, I like if you didn't have Bershad Perriman last year or if you'd sort of tuned out, you may not realize how good he was again from weeks fourteen on he was the third best wide receiver fantasy and Thomas and Jebron. The only guys who better than him and he was just a nominal as as I know you would say Is that you know the people wondering like? Okay. Well, then why are we not more optimistic? Is that like it was the perfect storm of circumstances, the best offense to be playing for fantasy football last year this is just in my estimation small sample size, and now he goes to a new team and one of the worst offenses to be playing for fantasy football this year but I I. Just. This is not an offense that I am particularly inspired by at the moment. However, there is a player that can really change that, and that's Sam Darnold who I don't quite know where to land on Sam Donna right now because prior to Cam Newton signing with Patriots, I would've said that came Sam Darnold was the best quarterback in the AFC east for the two thousand and twenty season. But I know there are some people that are still wondering a twenty three year old. So we still really young but like why hasn't come around yet for Sam? darnold who was the third overall pick in the draft a guy who at once was viewed as a potential number one overall pick in the draft. So but using SAM darnold sort of a jumping off point to basically everybody else matthew is there a player that we haven't yet brought up that interests you as draft target from the jets? Before we move off Sam Darnold. I just want to say I don't think people realize this. From Week ten on. Last. Year. He was the eighth best quarterback and fantasy in terms of total points. He was QB twelve in points per game. Like again, this is a guy that had mono for the first half of the like and so second year in the system to your point he's only twenty three. Here's a guy the second overall pick in the NFL draft like third WHO's third? Sorry. Yep. So Oh, that's right. SAQUON was to. Sorry should have been the second overall pick in the NFL draft, but he was third. I know. There's something there was Sam Darnold, I know Adam gase as an easy punching bag. For. A lot of critics online I actually think this offense could be better than people give credit for. That's all I'm GONNA say there in terms of other people, pass catchers, the rookie Denzel, mims. It's sort of interesting but I will tell you that everything you're hearing out of jets camp is that Chris Herndon who last year was a very trendy sleeper at the tight end position is due for a very, very big role and I think there's a good chance that Chris Herndon is a post hype sleeper this year. Yeah. I like the call and Chris hurting their lot incredible athlete a guy who played Miami they've had a a very good track record of of. Developing tight ends have gone on to very successful NFL career. So I'm interested by Chris Herndon as well in Chris Herndon as well despite. Being a rookie in two thousand, eighteen years. He was tired and sixteen in terms of total points. That was a bad bad offense that year I'd say another guy that I'm keeping an eye on filing. Chris Herndon away. For potential late round tight end consideration. I'm not sure I feel totally great about him being my only tight end going into week one of the season again, the jets are interesting team should be much more competitive. I do think though that just. Your best defensive players or maybe two of your three best defensive players or gone. Both Quinton Williams. Sorry both Cedar Moseley and also Jamal Adams now I. Think it's GonNa be a long season in some ways for the jets but we shall see a dale social questions. Field. Here's the thing about social questions we did. We did some stuff yesterday. We don't have a ton of great ones. So do me a favor if you're watching this live at fantasy focus? Folk on twitter and if you're not able to do that on twitter, you can always do it in the Youtube Channel. Not Cool Keith who unfortunately cannot be here due to social distancing still watching our channels the way that he always did last year. So say, Hi to Keith in there as well as Mama da she's also in the Chat Mama. She's Dot Mama on twitter. Right? She is is at Mama on the twitter at Keith lipscomb on the twitter as well and what are we got secret squirrel by the way as long as you're online if you're if you're tweeting US questions or posting them on Youtube, do favor and go to itunes and give us a five star review. If you could do that helps us out. It helps keeps the show something we show to advertisers. It just would help out your buddies here at the Oh six zero. So please please do that. Oh. Yeah. See, and if you're watching live, you have a little graphic arts as download and subscribe to fantasy focus wherever you do that with podcasts. Love it. This one comes from sequel of John, which veteran back are you most likely to target in round three todd? Gurley Levy on Bell David Johnson I realized this is kind of a range question, but still just a fun conversation since we're talking about Levy on bell today. Well, I. will say that the guy that I like going in that range more than all three of those guys is Chris Carson. WHO Who I think is parentally underrated and has like again his competition for touches are Rishaad Perry who's Rashad Penny who's GonNa start the year on pop. Carlos Hyde, who's on a six team in like four seasons or DJ Dallas who win the when he was drafted Pete Carroll said the guy's real excited to get him on special teams like Chris Carson's going to get a massive workload on a very good offense that has run heavy but he asked me of those three guys give me David Johnson who we've talked. And I'M GONNA save some of the best of David Johnson until we actually talk about them as a team during double trouble, which will be shortly but. I don't know if he's a sleeper and honestly because he's a player that all of us know, right right. But I think David Johnson sleeper based off how he is being drafted on and what I think is expectations should be in Houston later on this year. So yes, David Johnson be my pick as well. Going to get a massive workload there. Max One we have comes from at Ryan UC fan says, are you willing to start? Kareem Hunt at flex every week he's in a twelve team half point pip. Yeah. It's right around the territory we had. We. Had Him on a double trouble last week we hit the browns and we talked about him being like a top twenty to twenty five is running back and by proxy of that then I think he actually is a pretty strong flex play. I know we tend to lean towards wide receivers and flex, but and a half PR especially. On cream on totally and look I mean it's one of the things it's like tell me the rest of your roster. Yeah I mean right but guess do I think he's going to have enough value to be worthy as a flex play in at twelve team half-point PTR hundred percent eye. Cream. Hunts can have a real nice here. All right. Let's head back to the bunker for the GEICO trivia question of the day with Kyle. SOPPE righty. define. Sharply defined. You have sharpie today. Let's hope. Finding. Sharpie. All right I bring a kyle already devante Parker scored a hundred and ten point two more points than any of his flex teammates not quarterback running back receiver tight end he scored one hundred, ten point two more points than any of them who is the less dolphin receiver Tau score has flex teammates at least ninety points in a season. You picked the most of. Questions but do ever Dolphin I've morals and much more straightforward promise. Dolphin. Receiver. I'm and ask for a hint pre two, thousand or post two, thousand, two, thousand, post, two, thousand. Two thousand, I mean the find your come on. Come on. Hopes it's twenty year. Thirty thousand dolphins wide receivers. I've got two ideas. So some have to have more memory than others is what you're saying. Yes. Yes I mean, I'm. Blanking on. Good dolphins receivers not thinking about them. But they were all pre two thousand. Yeah Right. Right. Right. Right WHO's so obvious excited for not remembering. Marsupial season after. All right. I. Got it. Wrong. I got it. Wrong. What are you gots to find you ladies? Yeah. I think. It was Jarvis Landry. O. Guarantee that we haven't yet because. You're. GonNa get Jarvis Landy down. Not, even one hundred percent sure. He was a dolphins receiver but I think he was for season Damadola Danny Amendola was. Play for them by other was Chris Chambers. Chambers, is A. Jarvis Landry ABS-. Stars twitter was popular saying Landry was second. Feel they should have stuck with your gut here. Chris Chambers is the correct answer Taylor Bolton chiming in on twitter is one of the. Chris came. Sir We landry played with so many. Bad the year. Really listen. To. Jarvis Landry is such a great gas Chris. Chambers is such a great poll. I would it. We could have sat here for an hour and it was like Christian Oh. Yeah. Yeah and Danny Amendola. Payroll guests on every possible level. But. It was really the only dolphins wide receiver that I can think of for some reason, I just blanked on and bed. So happy you are something and by the way I'm still I'm still in the league I think you are still only technical tile is technically owning all of us but still. Thirty three show violations for you matthew throughout the. Day. Today you might have doubled him today. On yesterday now you were you know we WANNA see guys string back-to-back coaches. Loved that Hey, guys. Let's bring back toback good days together. Let's do it. One, hundred percent. Do. Has, been issue for me. Speaking of consistency I am a company man wrote Oh pass dot com. If you want subscription to ESPN plus you WANNA watch the fantasy show with Matthew Berry secret squirrel on and off just did a new episode yesterday. It's fantastic. You're GonNa read all of clay stuff right ESPN plus great. 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Week 4 Matchups + In-or-Out, Turf Toe Woes

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Week 4 Matchups + In-or-Out, Turf Toe Woes

"Take Your Game Day treats to the next level with the new EMINEM's hazelnut spread chocolate candies. Enjoy them on their own or use them to spruce up your favorite Desserts Ladies and gentlemen eminem's are delicious true all very new or delicious so guess what it should not be surprised that EMINEM's hazelnut spread chocolate candies these are also delicious because they are go Hazel nutty and try the new EMINEM's hazelnut spread chocolate candies today you welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from Pristine auction dot. com studios cows with your hose. Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Right welcome into the fantasy footballers once again. We got a ball game last night. It was a good one definitely hit. The over definitely did think we got to see The Green Bay packers defense finally well. I guess they did two things they broke. They had been been win not break defense. If you look at the statistics about them they had been a defense could stop you once you got into the red zone that didn't really happen but limited. Carson winces total yardage to you know under what is under two hundred yards that's right. They couldn't stop the run at all. Yes I would say it's it's an incomplete picture to just look at the what the point that gave up because the eagles were given short fields multiple times you had a mile sanders had a massive run on a on a kickoff offer. Turn that turned into an easy score. Aaron Rodgers had a fumble on their side of the field so that he grimaced afterwards. Oh I'm sure he did and he he looked at he looked at someone said. Why is this your fault? If there were prop bets for like over under and they set a line how many grimaces game camera zooms into I would one hundred percent of the time at the over regardless of the laws and matter but if you play their rogers you were not grimacing finally got a we got an ice quarterback nice fantasy quarterback performance from Aaron Rodgers Davante Adams with the massive massive bounce back week eight for one fifty six in the first half. Yes they did not seem interested in playing defense on him and there was creative play calling getting him into space to use his legs and run but I hope you enjoy those one hundred eighty yards. It S A career high for him by the way in total yards. June a game but then he went down and you have to wonder if the end of this game is different multiple multiple goal line opportunities on two separate drives it might avantis Adams. It might have been different but I'm throwing. The probability was would have been the same with that play calling. We'll let bad would that play calling meaning throwing for four on the goal line would have been very different. If you had yeah Davante Adams for four passing plays it actually reminded me of the end of the it was exactly the same as the end of the Cleveland Browns game where you had four opportunities unity's at the goal line they were all passing plays ill-advised throw by Rogers right. I'm all for Miami of the Super Bowl a mall for trickery and and trying to catch defense off guard for throat by throwing on the goal line sometimes but when you have that many opportunities on the one it's a yard run run the ball fantasy wise Rogers added to his stat line with forty six yards on the ground at four hundred twenty two through the air to downs one interception when fumble it was pretty good performance from Rogers it. was you know two touchdowns. He's still didn't see that explosion but devante atoms did most of the work in the passing game. Jimmy Graham was resurrected and allowed to play in this one yup six for sixty one and a touchdown allison had a touchdown in this one. NBS This was a fantasy disappointment. Three for forty seven seemed to be off the field in strange circumstances where you expected amount there. I don't know if he was dealing with something. Zacher seven catches on the eagles side Alshon three for thirty eight and a touchdown frequently targeted. I think that was what stood out to me. Nine targets only caught hot three of them but clearly the first second third read well him and hurts yeah was pretty much the entire offense in terms of passing targets. The next highest targeted player was Jordan Howard. Oh weird you never wanted to that as part of your in game bullet points. You Know How do oh you know how they do like trickery. Oh we're going to line-up in jumbo but then we're throwing data what you do when you run out to a screen they go off are now going to go to uh they would never throw to Jordan Howard and then he had a receiving touchdown do Jordan Howard's credit they ran the Kansas City chiefs wheel route and Howard secured the the ball had a nice touch so Howard balled out. Yes eighty seven five point eight per carry on the ground two touchdowns. Do you have a dynasty team with mile. Sanders Sanders and Jordan Howard obviously didn't play Jordan Howard last night of course and he had thirty three fantasy points. What do you do moving forward with that backfield. That seemed like ah the one saving grace here. We had two guys receive all the carries. SPROLES didn't receive any of the carries. So what do you do. Who who'd you start next week. Look now that Jordan Howard is a little bit more involved in the passing game you every time they got to the red zone. It seemed like it was Jordan Howard's job. There's there's more trust there. Obviously you've got the fumbling issue last week with miles sanders and Jordan. Howard is a big bruising back. I mean you saw graduate on his last touchdown down. run it was he took a huge hit there at the one yard line bounce back and got in the end zone so I don't see them going away from Jordan. Learn how at the goal line and if you've got the touchdown upside with Howard. I think you gotTa start leaning that direction. I think it looked like to me it was they went hot. Hot Hand like Howard was the better player last night. Yes Mile Sanders saved his day. He ripped off a big run and he also had you know the the big special teams return but that doesn't count for both fantasy leagues. It looked like a hot. The hot hand for Jordan Howard's latest kept going to him. I suspect it will still be even however Jason's corrected Red Zone and goal. I worked at Jordan Howard until further notice. Nelson Aguilar cannot drop anything when he's not targeted. It's let me drop it if they don't throw it yeah so he was. He was a complete goose last night. If you decided to roll him out there over Jeffrey a free flowing of that nature it didn't work out now Adams the big news circling back there as we get into our in and out segment and the rest of this show which has we'll have fantasy forecast the rest of the match ups. I'M GONNA sneak and upset over the weekend there. We've got ballers on a budget but Davante wants Adams. The big news is he departed with the toe. Injury had the monstrous ten for fifteen ten fifteen targets one hundred eight yards. He diagnosed himself with Turf Toe Pro Football Field Turf Toe. He couldn't put his shoe on after the game. What are we expecting from Davante Adams over the next few weeks. They have a long week being the Thursday night game but I think you have to expect him to miss a couple of weeks. I don't think he's going to be back Sunday. You can hope he's back the following Sunday but I think it's more realistic that the sun after that so if he misses the next two weeks I think that both Toronto and MVS become playable playable assets. I expect Drano. Allison's actually have the bigger uptick in a role as kind of more sure thing with Rogers long-term. He's played with them. He knows them. NBS is really talented but he doesn't. He doesn't seem to be in sync with Aaron Rodgers. You know if he gets ten eleven targets I don't. I don't think it's going to be you know I feel like those games where he catches four or five of those targets he's he's more of a secondary option rather than the primary guy. I'm most excited if in Adam's absence on actually being able to count on Jimmy Grandma's tight and I think that's a great great point I mean I think we saw as soon as Adams went off the field it. was you know eleven yard passer. Jimmy Graham ten yard pass the Jimmy Graham. That was the surprise you know the the impressive thing to me. I think you downgrade Rogers. Obviously they have their upcoming schedule at Dallas next week and then a juicy match up at home home with the Detroit Lions. You had a major injury. Jamal Williams yeah taking him off the field to finish stat game up with the running backs. Aaron Jones did absolutely nothing with his opportunity. He hasn't hasn't been able to run the ball. Effectively team hasn't been able to run the ball effectively at all through the entire season so rogers having to do more he threw the ball Jones on several occasions and hopefully Jamal Williams will be okay. That was a scary situation for him and mathematics in this game two players stretchered off that was that was not fun so right now looks like Jerry Jones is GonNa be the Guy Moving forward but efficiencies been a huge problem huge. I mean you're talking under to a Carey and it wasn't the problem in terms of Baker believe that it just doesn't seem like he's ever in a position like a lot of these runs. Were not his fault. A lot of these runs were two two or three guys in the backfield good defensive front for the Eagles. I think that you know didn't help anything but you would have expected more than twenty one yards rushing in a game where Jamal Williams left and Aaron Jones is the the only player in town. Yes all right. It's Friday but clan Friday away as we head into the weekend each and every Friday we wanna say thank you to those of you that support this independent podcast asked to join the foot dot com the official foot clan community and today this fine Friday. We give Rick and more. Td's aw aw that's the winner this week for clan Friday winner of a fifty five dollar gift card to shop dot Com for supporting the show we appreciate you. You can find that community of joined the foot dot com. You can follow us on twitter at the F. F. ballers. You can't find us on you to Youtube. Dot Com slash fantasy fantasy football is we're going to be paying out a number of water bats today. That video will show up tomorrow. Oh on the YouTube we have week two and week three to pay out Mike you and I had that McCall Hartman Jon Ross Bet from week to both players ball. Doubt you beat me. You'RE GONNA. Water me today. We had a seventy seven yard. Juju Smith Schuster button week three. He had eighty one yards and you beat me again. These are narrow wins. They hurt more that way. I'd rather be blown out like JC were they narrow they were by the skin of might see how John Rouse garbage. Td and then that seventy six yard Juju Chang and when you say blown out like Jason you mean blown out like Jason did to you with the dolphins doubling up that overrun yeah. I volunteered to take two waters for the Patriots Miami Game. I said that Miami would I hope you Brian wet suit. I took really outlandish approach that they might not lose by twenty yeah and they lost forty and then use the mocking bird forty. Well not a smart move to say they would lose by. Fewer than twenty not correct. It's just a little unnatural to be like yeah. I think they might be able to within twenty and then feel like the idiot but they're the dolphins so I should have known better and then my I beat you with the I'm GonNa Water. You for the Iraqi. Burn top generals tied in week to bet so we'll have a number of those will fill them today. A it'll be fun it'll be on YouTube dot com slash fantasy football tomorrow. Let's go out and do some in and out all right. Lots of injury news notes reports running back. Let's start there reshad penny. He returned to practice expect him to play. He returned to a limited practice. Yes sure I WANNA go. No I think he's out. I think he's GonNa play. This was the expectation from the previous Sunday they they expected him to do. This is the time table that I think they set for him to come back on this Thursday so I'm going to say he's in Damian Williams. The knee injury didn't practice Wednesday Thursday in or out out out. Just been full full go yeah. He's a forego for your roster. Justin Jackson calf injury added to the injury report. We don't know a lot but what do you think in around for Justin Jackson. I don't think it's a west coast practice. We don't have that yet and it's one of those late injuries like Reshad. Penny was a he returned. This Justin Jackson added to the injury report late. Is this the window that Melvin Gordon sneaks in and gets like eight touches. I'm GONNA say no. I think Justin Jackson Plays Gordon active all right all right Royce Freeman. I'll say he's in Devon Single Terry practice again today Friday. Do you think he plays these. He's practicing yeah. He'll be out there but I'm with you that surprising and I I would be fearful to play him. I would be trying not to practice. If I was devastated theory with this Patriots Atri. It's Macha no it's nice to see him return quicker than we expected after seeing the injury on the field rex burkhead limited on Thursday inter out in in and playing playing against Buffalo. What would you do what I play him correct. Oh No Ito's Smith resume practicing on Thursday should be in there to disrupt your devante Freeman Fremont wide receivers. Ty Helmet the quad injury didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday in or out man. That's that's tough because he's missed a lot of practices and still plays. I must say in. I think he's I think he will play too but it's it's. Everything's Today's press you play if he's in an idea point Jillian and hopefully he's very respectful actual of your fantasy team the way devante Adams was going for a career high in yardage before getting in the way that Hilton did last exactly exactly. It's a respectful man of course fine upstanding standing plus. He's got he's got a touchdown streak. Yes Jillian Ataman with a chest injury out in Amari Cooper in the up. Mike Williams with the back remains sideline on Thursday his day seem similar to the week before different injury but are you did see him active believe he will play but caution. Is it a little concerned that this week. It's the back issue. which was the major issue last season from what I understand? It was it's it's not related okay. How's it just same body part direct indirect yeah. It's concerning concerning that. He's on the injury report every week that doesn't I don't like that so I don't mind people pivoting away from what seems like an opportunistic match up to go with. Somebody you know is going to be out there. Chris Godwin with the hip he missed practice Wednesday Thursday. Fortunately he did return to practice today so in Calvin Ridley in Terry mcclaren added to the Redskins for this one scary you very nice. you look what guys added to the injury mid week. It's it's more likely he's GonNa Miss but you just have to wait for the last practice reports enough. We'll let you know it's a hamstring injury and we'll let you know if we hear anything by the end of the show and we obviously Mike is on with you an hour before game time for starts at decisions and we'll keep you updated on the social media as well Chris Conley with the knee injury limited Thursday I I don't. I don't think he's GonNa play and I don't know if he does Albert. Wilson is expected to return for the game against the chargers not playing it but excited to watchable Russell Wilson play all right Titans Vance McDonald Monday night game didn't practice Thursday you need. I'm not playing Vance McDonald. Yeah not put myself in that position. They say hey that you know he could be there but I just can't imagine they they ship away a fifth rounder for a tight end while they're tight in his injured because he's GonNa play. I'm going to say out Mark Andrews with the foot. Injury returned to practice. Friday didn't practice Wednesday and Thursday. I think he's going to be in your pardon par for the course Laney Walker with the need and practice Thursday Walker. I am Greg Olsen. They're getting that old man rests. I believe I think they're both will play. Can we take off a couple days every week. Once we hit a certain age yeah that's how it works. It's amazing brooks album will be doing the Thursday Friday. Practice shows sorry for Glenn. All right like I said Game Day alerts you can get the injury report before you have to make those decisions at join the foot dot com each and every week we post those Sunday live on twitter and periscope and facebook and all that I got something to say I'm just laughing right now because we refer to these guys like old man old man strength the day of rest and like they're all younger than us in Greg Olson looks. It's like I mean that's a that's a lumberjack. That's a season man. We are older. They're in Greg Olson. I'd be like Greg Olsen could be my father other like that's the age discrepancy on the two of us and honestly I think he could have been how much a man he was. He was one one year old when he became your father frightening world but you're right you're right. I thought he was fifty six so I didn't realize that he was younger than us. The News and notes injury reports all that stuff brought to you by the sleeper APP. Don't miss big time. Fantasy football news updates this morning. I was brushing. My teeth got. The report Ron sleeper that Chris Godwin was back at practice. Do you probably brushed with a little more vigor after that no a little less tense and then I called it now to the appropriate level with my all right. We're going to get into the finish the work as and we WANNA thank. CBS sports aged today's episode brought to you by CBS sports. Hq Sports TV nowadays is full of the bickering and the made up drama but CBS sports HQ. I disagree disagree. It's here to change that. 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It's free it's free it is eight matchups remaining on today's show ballers on a budget after that the titans install cans they play in Atlanta both teams one into Falcons at four point home favorites forty five and a half point over under Mario Radio Mount Ryan. No we're not interested in the alliterative Marcus Mariota no just because he has the same letter at the front. Both names is now. Make him a start Mike. It's a sensational name to be fair. I mean that is a comic book is that he's an alias so perhaps CBS perhaps he's not as good in the NFL because he's actually superhero and he knows that he has to Feign Strang. He's really been in the Bruce Gr. He's a great actor. Yes if that's the case. He's been in the Bruce Wayne State for many years now. Matt Ryan is our consensus quarterback ten on the week. He's averaged three hundred nine passing yards per game. Are you playing Matt Ryan against the Titans Defense. Yeah the the matchup stinks but it's Matt Ryan at home. He's he's averaging over three hundred yards. Multi touch downs every week. He's he's a good fantasy start. Yeah I look at Matt Ryan in this game very similar to how I looked at Carson Wentz yesterday like Yeah Yeah Yeah you gotta play 'em. We have this track record of of stats so far. It's three games think matt. Ryan homes must start yeah you. I mean I was in the off season. I was the Anti Matt Ryan Believer. Two of my biggest reasons were the defense. They lost so many pieces last year and the running game. Couldn't you know wasn't going when they lost devante freeman well the running games now going with freemen Kiana. Neil now is out so yeah at home. Matt Ryan is pretty much. A Weekly Start Art Devante Freeman Twenty touches last week. It was a bit of a product at Edo Smith was knocked out of the game in Edo. Smith resume practicing. We'll see if he plays or not. That will have a lot to do with the the confidence you can have playing free because the matchup is it's back to a rough match of Freeman. I am not sure that I would wanNA play Freeman. I mean you might have to yeah even if he does out. This is a bad match for guy that just hasn't been able to get it done yeah yeah. I think this might be the week. He gets a little bit more involved in the passing game and does enough. I'm Mona make top twenty four bed with you Jason. If that's twenty four he's in my top twenty four not. I'm not GonNa like you would play him then yeah it's based on your rank talking on both sides. Sir I would not play him but as the top twenty four guys so then I would one hundred percent him because you played running backs. Yeah take a Stan Jason More. Here's the deal. My rosters have better than to top twenty four running back. Oh Oh you know look at your nasty. Rosters are like Rowdy back twenty four. That's exciting. Go ahead. Sorry about your roster now. Oh you're running backs J Alvin Kamara Dominik. Those are don't don't look it. Is that Derrick Henry ready to run. Those are the top three man. That's good. You're an ex Berry Berry Berry Sanders emmitt Smith and Ladainian Tomlinson Derrick Henry Jason. You haven't rb six this week. He's averaging seventeen rushing attempts per game. Falcons been middle of the pack against the running back position. We know that Tennessee win must hand the ball to Derrick Henry over and over and over again. I'm uncomfortable with him obviously in this matchup. I think we all agree. I'm comfortable playing him but I I don't have a high end start like he could easily get game. Aim scripted out. Is there another player on Tennessee that you're willing to play in this game Walker Texas Ranger Delaney. Yes targets six in game one on six game to nine in week three. If Walker plays you play him Austin Hooper. My tight end started the week. What about Hooper Verses Walker in this one. I'd rather have I aw I think it would play hooper. The matchup is solid the titans the only place to really being beat for fantasy purposes right now is the tight end position and awesome hooper's. He's young and practicing yeah that that's helpful. You WanNa guy. That's going to be playing. I've got to back to back of my rankings. I have the Laney Walker one spot ahead little known fact Dawson. Hoover is actually Greg. Olsen son yeah makes sense. It does make sense what about Calvin Ridley. How are you guys feel on. After you ARP Planum yes I will play cover Ridley. So what does that mean. Where do you rate Let me let me pull up Meridian's but like you only say only had one target last week yeah. I just didn't know what he was before. Last week was he. A He's a flex play yeah. He's a wide receiver two slash three but with Matt Ryan he has upside what every single week so he's he's just in there as a weekly play. I start him as well yeah. The titans have the highest pressuring the NFL the Atlanta offensive line not exactly strong. I think that'll be the push comes to shove part of this game the Redskins at Owen three take on the one and two giants. What a barn burner. This is GonNa be a I look it. Actually it could be the third highest over under the week the giants at three point home favorites over unders forty nine and a half points that I put the giants at Twenty Six Redskins at twenty three so Daniel Jones Yep. He had the second best debut ever for a fantasy football quarterback. We have met consensus. Cuba thirteen this week case keenum twenty-three. Can You Trust Christina Jones. I don't think that that's possible. I don't think you can ever take a player that has one. Nfl Start and say yes. I trust him to deliver but is he. Does he have potential in this match up. You have to say yes. I think he is an excellent streaming quarterback this week. If you're up against it Washington twenty eighth against against the quarterback position for fancy scoring they get beat their Daniel Jones. He looked solid. This wasn't to me. We've all seen the quarterback come in and they the the team rallied behind the new quarterback. They pull out a win and the quarterback gets all this credit but you know if you watch the game. The quarterback did not win that game. Daniel Jones was a huge part of the giants actually winning. I I feel like he is a competent quarterback and he's in a plus matchup at home. The redskins are giving up seventy nine percent completion percentage percentage that is the highest in the NFL so yeah I think I think Daniel Jones could be played especially when you add in his rushing baseline you know he rushed a lot in college college and so far week one two rushing touchdowns plenty of yards on the ground I I I think you can stream Wayne Gaughman you. You get used to play him if you spent all that money you're playing him. Adrian Peterson we have right on the outside edge of of running back three three. He's in the category where you're saying. Do I WANNA play Frank Gore against New England or do I want to Adrian Peterson against the giants. That's a punch in the face I would would go peterson and guess but it's not been pretty and then Chris Thompson being worked into this office the redskins throwing the ball fourteen percent more than they did in in two thousand eighteen. That's the largest pass increase in the NFL. They their defense is not showing up. I mean I think it's a big part of it and they're having to hand the ball to case keenum him to come back. We've seen Terry maclaurin have success through three weeks. Does it continue in this one. I mean the giants defense. Do Yeah the feds Eh. This is why there's a high over under on the on the game. We say it could be a barn burner. I could very easily see even though it's almost fifty point over under the taking the over. We're on this game. I don't see either defense doing anything. Good and both offenses can compete enough against these specific defenses so yeah I mean I think so you start tearing maclaurin. I think you start Sterling Shepherd. I want pieces in this game not so much the Adrian Peterson you know again again. I would take him over Gore. This could be a game that the redskins are up and winning and he stays in the game but if it turns into a barn burner which I I lean the the problem odds on probability yeah this is going to there's going to be a lot of points scored then. I'd rather have Chris Thompson Adrian Peterson. I'll give you an example of when I'm gonNA play him because I think he's the guy that you don't WanNa play. He's in case of emergency break glass type of player in one of our leagues. I have on the bench. I'm looking out on the waiver wire. It's Adam Humphreys is called Peasley against New England. It's it's kind of like well. I if I give if Emmanuel Sanders was to miss the game because he's a little banged up or Chris. Godwin surprise missed the game. That's when I put Peterson and go. At least I know they're going to hand him the ball ten eleven times. Maybe he'll fall forward into the end zone like you did a couple of weeks ago but you can't be excited about Peterson no doubt about it no Buchan ears wanting to take on the rams rams or three game as a forty nine and a half point over under as well. The Rams are nine and a half point home favorites. We Know Jared Goff's a lot better at home. We have met. QB eight you feel comfortable with Gough. Yes yeah I really liked golf this week. the whole home road narrative that I've been pushing against seems to have been true at least so far and he is at home while the Tampa Bay buccaneers defense defense has looked better. They obviously were beat by Daniel Jones pretty heavily last week so I think at home the rams there's a bounce back game to me for the rams. Yes three no but you haven't really loved the offense because you haven't loved Jared Goff. You haven't loved girly. I actually think both players have have a bounceback game. I think they're going to try to get really going in this so i. I really liked the rams this week. Do you buy into the reports that you know Girlie at fifteen touches again. They actually WANNA to get him. The twenty-five no that was that was coach speak when he was asked a question about that numbers in yeah but if you listen to Sean mcvay does go on fantasy say. I don't believe the number thing but he said I want to get him in more of a rhythm and set him up to succeed. That's where he's been blaming himself and we've seen that with girls. That's where you've been blaming him. Yes I've been blaming him. Because why aren't you getting them involved in the screen game getting them on you know in a rhythm and if that's that's an effort given by Sean McVeigh. I think look girl. He's been out there. He's not I mean. We're worried about the workload but he's not currently injured. He still the same talented guy before the season if I had said he'd be three weeks in seventy one percent of the snaps on the season. I think we'd all have imagined he's a top ten exactly top five exactly so we've been you know they have not taken them off the field that three and oh that's a good sign. He's is he a Bilo for you. If you believe vacant you know even some small involvement in the passing game is going to change the narrative quite a bit. I traded for him this week. in our listener league because I think this week he's buy low that inner said if he balls out and looks amazing yeah. I'M GONNA listen to offers offers because I still worry about the long term reliability painting Barbara Ronald Jones he starting either guy in this one the rams the only place they have been beaten has been at the running back position because their corners are incredible and they have a great pass rush so occasionally running backs have done a few things against them giving up twenty two and a half fantasy points but if you have to pick one where do you go. I Guess Ronald Jones because sleaze don't pick one is that the answer is just reactionary to what happened last week. This is a this is a tango that I want no part of Evans and Godwin you starting these guys against these yes incredible corners you have probably half to based on where they were drafted who they are and what your the rest of your lineup is but. I'm expecting a poor game of James Winston against the rams so that avenue coming off not bode well for Evans Goblin Evans coming off the eighth best fantasy game by wide receiver over the last ten years and and we were on the other end and it didn't feel good thanks Mike Cooper brandin cooks Robert Woods. That's the order you'd start these guys. Yes yeah you. You have to go that way. Even though rob who's he seeing the exact same target shares Cooper Cup when you're watching the game the there. There's a there's the sink problem to me right now. Jared Goff and Robert Woods the targets are just they're not. They're not as catchable there is. They're not as nice as these cooper cut. Perceptions is where I mean he's running free wide open one of its own would yeah one thing that's been interesting if you go back and look the match ups and who's been guarding who the top corner for the first. I three weeks is has been more on woods and I wonder after last week if that starts to shift if if defenses start say we need to look at Cup as as the one put our best guy there. He's just he's a lot. You don't think you're going to see that I think I think it'd be interesting if at home if we see woods woods in this game not be able to kind of breakthrough. I think fantasy owners. We're GONNA get pretty worried about his production. Where drafted him because he he's never really. We had the the high end upside so you at least want to have the ten twelve points a week. I think Howard has an okay game in this one I really do. Howard is my number ten tied in and it's terrifying refine like I've got to me yet ten yeah because Oh should be good. He should have been good week one two and three he's fine last week. I think he's probably you'll. You'll see more targets this week. I think they're going to need to utilize him. Godwin if the rams defense focuses on slowing down Mike Evans and those corners on the outside read that's that's my guess you gotta put Winston in the position where he can evade this pass rush with some help underneath. I hope Howard is that guy for fantasy purposes. I'm fine starting him. You guys ready to move on all right. The seahawks two and one take on the O. Two in one cardinals in Arizona Seahawks Five Point Rhode favorites in this one. What are we expecting from Russell Wilson and Kyle Alert Murray so Russell Wilson you you play claim that the matchup is super juicy you are you're just you're hoping that the cardinals can keep up. Russell Wilson's massive game last yeah. I think he threw the ball fifty times. That's that is not what Pete Carroll in the Seattle seahawks WANNA do. They'll do it if they have to but they really don't want their offense running that way so it's well the hassles you but that's what I mean but Russell Wilson's high in finish this week would be predicated on the cardinals keeping up no. I don't think that's true. I think Russell Wilson's high finish could be the product of just super efficiency with some Disney touchdowns tyler our locker bomb touchdown a decay met cap the Arizona cardinals are going to give up a lot of points that we know. We just don't know where they're going to come fight a guess. I think they're going to try to get Chris Carson going in this game. They want to be in control in a divisional match up. I Love Chris Carson this week. The Arizona Cardinals gave up a Mazda game to Christian McCaffrey. Sorry I think that will Isley Tyler Lockett Chris Carson. You have to start and it's going to be the cardinals shockingly playing catch up like they. They have done the entire year. They have still yet to run a single snap with the lead so the only thing we know about the cardinals is that they throw the ball a lot when they're down and they're always down the seahawks defense. It's not been good. No I would say you know bottom third cuyler. Dj Fitzgerald Gerald. I assume we're starting those three Christian Kirk. Are you willing to put them out there. The the volume has been fantastic for the wide receivers it here hugh right now. Lay ranks fourth in targets at thirty one and KRISTA KIRK has thirty two targets. They're the volume is great. keiler is not throwing the ball deep down the field but he's throwing the ball a lot so it works out for for fantasy. We wish we would see them going down the field a little bit more but you still have to be pleased with the the the mid to late round values that that Larry and Kirker Providing Chris Carson you you've shown yeah. Some confidence in him started the week. I Have Wilson as my started the week against Arizona's defense lock it has been outstanding sex targets over the last two weeks after the the weird the weird week one where he's still delivered though he had the big play and then we'll dizzily. We'll kind of our show started week this week Arizona dead last this. This is shocking this status shonky twenty five point four fantasy points per game given up to the tight end position to think about what that means the tight end at on on a team that usually scores like no fantasy points on average is averaging twenty five fantasy points. That's why Montana's Gatorade high school player of the year in two thousand thirteen the big Montana himself is are started the week. We'll get it going baby. He's everyone's favorite played as. We hope it turns out. Hope it paying it will. It's funny because I doubted Olsen last week. Dishonor knee injury return. It was like Kyla new variable we know that Cam Newton Loves Greg Olsen and he's banged up and he just bawled out. Did you say he's Montana's Gatorade high school player of the year in twenty thirteen yeah super impressive give 'em call him. Big Montana for nothing day equals US Vikings two and one at the bears two and one bears two point home favorites in this one. What are we going to get out of David Montgomery the you know this is GonNa be the toughest task for Alvin Cook Right now. The Vikings only passing the ball thirty eight percent of the time which is shocking Dalvin. Cook has been absolutely dominant. He's one fantasy running back on the air. He's tied for the most forced missed tackles second in yards after contact every metric you can look at production. you know his running ability ability. It's been off the chart but this is a really difficult matchup. Bears are fourth in the League only given up fifteen fantasy points per game to running back. What do you think this this this projects to be a really bad game for fantasy when you have two teams that WanNa win with defense and you have two quarterbacks that aren't the best and the good good quarterback out of the two of them is on the road they both the the quarterbacks would also like to win with defense. Yes exactly so I you know. It's one of those things where I think the running game mm-hmm is where both teams are going to try to rely on but it's not gonna be easy against either of these two defenses. You're obviously going to be planned Alvin Cook. I still think you play Adam dealer. Even though you know the you're scared about the volume of scared about the match up but I don't know how you say Adam. Theon just still gets it done pretty much every week. You know you're not you're not starting digs right. No no this match is just too difficult for predict to have that breakout game. It should get better for digs but this is this is really frustrating for a lot of fancy owners fantasy owners. It's been a third round pick in Dynasty Leagues Traded for him and Dynasty Leagues and wonder what the future is going to hold like you said I mean to thirty eight point over under Vegas not have this as a high scoring affair so fantasy points are going to be few and far between that's what makes us David Montgomery situation very difficult. He's averaged fifteen and a half carries over two weeks. You can be as angry angry with Matt Nagy as you want to be because maybe win those carries her coming being on the goal line and have a now running the football but David Montgomery summary being a youngster apply that you believe in a tackle breaker fifteen and a half carries is his time coming. Yeah I mean this is the type of game that I think they're going to try to make his time. The problem is the match up I think he gets he's not GonNa make it might Davis is time or Cordeiro Patterson's time I mean we three. Cohen's owens time. We certainly can't be sure but I think that the probability says that Montgomery going to get the lion's share of the carries is GonNa be a tough match up. I think you could start him. He's our rb twenty four consensus but you just can't expect a huge game against such a tough defense. Allen Robinson against this Vikings Hiking's defense. What do you think you can play him. He's getting nine targets per game twenty six percents of Mitch trubisky targets I he's he's he's in the two three area. I mean I would I would rather play Alan Robinson over Stefan Dick's. Oh Yeah I feel like the name should be brought up anytime we scored three touchdowns and a quarter Taylor Gabriel. He had a monster game. He does this all the time he he lures. You eat like a Venus flytrap wrapped. He's he's an Oh look. Look at all. These fantasy points that I can score got US zero no interest like interest if you want to ah at a speculative but I am not chasing love phone Taylor. No this is really really good. Yes he's super fast the consistency of targets their stuff. He was the water sewer three this week but if you want to chase these points nobody was week one and week to use the wide receiver eighty and eighty four. He reminds me a little bit of Brandin cooks in the way that not only is he really fast but he makes contested tested catches at you with a small stature on on the reg but he doesn't get the targets regularly and that's the trouble with their all school. They're also trubisky key targets that that's the problem. That's been the ball spinning horizontally right. If you told me you David Montgomery to Rico and Alan Robinson Taylor Gabriel Trey Burton and you replace them with quarterback I mean this should be a really fun offense. You're not not interested in a quarterback. They can throw three touchdowns in a single quarter. Jason I am not interested in a quarterback could throw three touchdowns at Siegel quarter if his name is Mitchell trubisky gather wise I'm. I'm in. This is the six week I wanNA know when the six touchdown weeks coming this year. I thought it was happening last week all right. The jags wanted to take on the broncos. Oh Hurry Oh in three thirty eight and a half point over under. I don't know this is like the previous game. This is like the Vikings bears only with even less. It's exciting prospects to me right yeah. I mean you right now Jason Real question. Let's put you to it. Okay Joe FLACCO. Oh you want name running your offense or Mitchell trubisky. Oh my goodness gross I would go with Forbi- ski because he's mobile and he can get out of the pocket and when things said to figure out where you are how deepen this trubisky hall you were the Denver Fans were waiting with bated breath saying this is it. This is our time we get a little. No yes sorry still flagger all right garment shoe Joe FLACCO. You don't don't play either one in this game no shoes on the road in Denver. It's a low over under no thank you Leonard Fournette Philip Lindsay Jason. You're the highest on Lindsay this week last week. It was a good week voice. Williams Royce is looked pretty good. This year seems to be back. Are Are you playing these these guys against Jacksonville. I I am in sold US my team as an example in my money league. I have to choose between Philip Lindsey who I don't WanNa play against Jacksonville but then the other options are are like Daryl Williams who two what's his role in Kansas City because now shady's upgraded to full or like Frank Gore who should still see the majority of the work for the buffalo with with single terry coming back and right now. I'm going with Phil Lindsey just to the options behind when you when Lindsay's your to your options who says you have behind him or probably not much better and you don't want a part of the matchup however saying that like if you're playing Philip Lindsay with any type ABBA confidence. I think that exact same of Confidence Royce Freeman. They're both gonna see very identical work. Both are evolved in the passing game so I I think that Roy's Freeman is also a playable guy. Yeah loud same level of philp wins last week's fancy finish for Philip. Lindsay looked really league good compared to Roy's freemen's. If you watch the game they were. They were involved about the same Royce. Freeman had one of those two touchdowns that touchdown goes Royce Freeman there was called back on that Phantom hold right by Emmanuel Sanders then all of a sudden the week looks even between these two guys but Philip Lindsay is still. I still the more more explosive guy if you're gonNA tell me. One of these guys gonNA run off a forty yard. Touchdown is going to be Philip Lindsay. If you on Sunday if you're walking around the house and you feel kind of some Malays or nausea you feel a little not yourself. Check your TV. Make sure this game's not on that fifty actually the reason why slowest pace of play in football for Jacksonville ugliest pace of play in Denver so far the broncos now yeah yes it is the broncos defense has exactly exactly zero sacks on the season. This was the formidable incredible. It's this looks like a good deep play right on paper Denver at home against Gardner. Men's issue looks like a great play zero sack. You've got von. Miller zero sacks through three games. That's it's it's outlet with VIC fangio coming the defensive genius running the show. It's it's really unbelievable of. Here's I think the the only question game like I'm not playing. Dj Chart. I know he's been on fire but he gets Chris Harris Junior. He's what he did to Devante atoms but what about Emmanuel Sanders Cortlandt Sutton Jacksonville's a great deep but they're they're not gonNA gotta have Jalen Ramsey that changes is that where where it is trying to Ramsey looking. I believe they are going to be without Jalen. Ramsey was he had the the wink wink flu. Oh and then he had like a wink. Wink know yet really had a real child. That wasn't a wink wink flute and I believe Nashville. He's there with James Light. He's just like yeah. I just wanted to C. J. Baby. Nobody says his trade request standards so. I don't believe he's playing this. I think he found on the loophole. His wife can have a baby next week. He's look he's out there looking for if he can find Sam Darnold you know what he's after that. Oh little smooth smooth. He doesn't WanNa take the Field Jacksonville. That'll buy them. What four or five weeks at least oh man genius right Sunday night. Football Cowboys Saints Cowboys are two and a half point road favorites in this one forty seven point over under the saints they won last week the impressive performance against Seattle the carson turnover didn't help the MOMENTO that game but I I think I was impressed with what I saw from teddy bridgewater able to kind of manage the offense and obviously Alvin Kamara is so good that you can kind of hand him the whole offense literally. Here's the thing that's the most surprising probably the most surprising I've heard in a long time but certainly within this matchup we yesterday we're talking about the Miami Dolphins as the thirty first best T- right against quarterbacks and Mike was blown away. They like wait. There's someone worse the dolphins and it turns out. It's the saints against the quarterback and it's on the back of giving up four rushing touchdowns already to the quarterback quarterback through the first three weeks and now they're playing Dak Prescott who's known for supplementing his touch with rushing touchdowns Margaret Obese the first three years. He's had six rushing touchdowns. This matchup seems like one that you want to say might be scared for deck but it might be I mean it looks looks guys. Gerry Hell Team you look at last year. you know the saints were a great defense. They're still good against the run. You wonder but I think I think that's going to have a good game. Well yeah and I mean if you look at that stat. Maybe that one's it's a little contorted by rushing touchdowns but then you look at what they've given up to the wide receiver position their thirtieth in the league forty two and a half points per game so they they haven't been able to step up there. You've got Amari. Cooper has been extremely namely consistent. He's the wide receiver four on the season. He's the go-to guy in this new downfield offense. Is You know taking shots picking his spots. I just like Dallas in this game. You know you got a twenty four and a half point. implied point total the saints twenty two. I I like obviously DOC Zeke Cooper there in is there somebody else. You're taking a shot with on Dallas. If you have to pick another wide receiver for example because you look at the situation Michael Gallup's oops not back yet they have given up a lot of points to the wide receiver position. Amari Cooper had a precautionary. MRI So if you're taking a shot is it on Randall Cobb. Is it on Devon Smith. If I'm taking the shot I'm going to go Devon Smith. You're we would hope that Randall cobb last week would step up in the absence of Michael Gallup against Miami four targets and these it's Randall cobb targets so it's he ends up with two twenty three out. Devon Smith is not debit at five targets. I'm not calling him a great play or anything but it's it's unfortunate that he's Sunday night so if you're playing like if you're playing the main slate of DFS CFS we're going to do our borders on a budget segment here coming up or we're talking about bargain plays for Fan duel and I wanted it to be devas myth in our but he's Sunday night so you can't put them in in the main slate but if so to answer your question I if I'm taking the shot. I'M GONNA big play for David Smith. You're you're in the Dome and you've got some probably the smart play you got some ruff quarterbacks for for the saints they have one really good one and then a couple of really bad ones which which is why they're giving up over forty points to the wide receiver position so I'll go with Smith. Most of the starts in this game are just obvious ones Michael Thomas Alvin Kamara all right right the bengals take on the steelers. This is the Monday night football game and this is my Andy's is almost upset of the week though winless bengals go to Pittsburgh steelers are four point favorites the Monday night game. I'm going back to the well with the Bengals last week. They delivered the almost upset against the bills. I think they do it again. Against Mason Rudolph in the divisional match up Mason Rudolph Fourteen completions last week one hundred and seventy four yards. It was gross somewhere there is a a high ranking executive executive who has lost all his all of his air as he gives a gaze to the Monday night football upcoming scheduled. Someone's GonNa win this thing from what maybe Navy Sara Lee that would be so great. If what do you think the Ravens would think if they're sitting here and there to divisional opponents zere ended up with a tie a six six tie. No I think that the bengals will be able to do enough against the steelers defense. I know the steelers dealers are trying to shore it up with Minka Fitzpatrick and it looked a lot better last week it really did. They were steadily defense last day. Were which is what makes it so incredible people that they are currently twenty four th against quarterbacks twenty-ninth against running backs twenty eight against wide receivers in one thousand nine hundred tight ends because they did look pretty good last week so thanks thanks patriots week one yeah. That's it disintegrates your whole whole season but at the same time we've seen Andy Dalton given a licensed to throw the ball over and over and over again there are problems in the steelers secondary they have the second highest past play rate in football right now seventy two point nine percent they run three wide receiver sets eighty four percent of the time which is why you can look at bow tie their boyd and John Rawson this matchup. Yes Ross has a lot more risk to him than tie. The boy does tie order a twenty four percent target share. He's been double digit targets every week and he's jason sort of the week for a reason this week. I think boyd is the safest. Ross is the riskiest with some upside right yeah. That's that's how I see it. I mean obviously make a fitzpatrick helps the defense a lot against the slot but still you have a very good highly targeted wide receiver. I'm confident in Tyler Boyd even though I'm not confident and Andy Dalton. I think that you know one can have a good game without the other. Doll I mean on paper. Don't should crush crush. I still worry I know it's narrative driven the whole Andy Dalton in prime time thing but I mean it's you got to you got a lot out of that. Story got started for a reason yeah story. I mean since two thousand eleven Andy Dalton in Primetime Games is six and fifteen two and five on Monday night football so you know what jumps out of me with that stat too many primetime games to go like wait a minute. How why do you keep giving six hundred fifteen thousand eleven. I wonder who hates primetime more kirk cousins or Andy Dalton Dazzling. Oh what if they played each other in prime time goodness it would be a six maybe they would maybe that's what would break the curse. Oh you know what it means like like you. Smash the Mir like putting you in the room with the spiders at the running back position James Connor Joe Mix and it's been it's been rough for both these guys start the season and it's no surprise when when you have winless teams that they're running backs are struggling. It's a chicken egg thing at times but generally I like running backs son winning teams. I like that for the sake of game script and opportunity and goal-line opportunities and all of those things I do like James Caan have bounced back in this game bangles are given up thirty two fantasy points per game to the running back position hundred and sixty eight point seven rushing yards per game second most in the NFL matchup for James Caan. This is is this is your shot James to to let me know if if we can count on you in the right match ups despite Mason Rudolph or not and so I have him as my started the week I think Aqui shows up in this one Joe Mixon Pittsburgh's given up the third most rushing yards mixing looked pretty good last week in a tough match up you know the question fantasy owners may have is has the ship sailed on either of these guys putting up a top twelve season no I don't. I don't think the ship is definitely sailed. Joe Mixing dealt with an ACL ACL injury miss part of week two wasn't right for week or week. One wasn't right for week two connors dealing with he dealt with his own knee injury as well tyler boy. We talked about that side Juju. He was in the panic room on Wednesday. It's not been good for Juju. Can you play him in this game with confidence. Yes I think you can play him in this game with confidence. He's is very beatable matchup. He's at home. I think Mason Rudolph will play better at home when you know you're not dealing with crowd noise and things like that he still targeting Juju. I think all Doodoo needs is ten targets and he'll do something with it. Look at last week where you know it was it was rough. Mason Rudolph look bad but Juju made his own breaking away for a seventy six yard touchdown. That's not to say the Juju is a top five hundred fever this week but I'm starting with confidence in this mantra okay all right this. Somebody's got to win it. That's that's the truth. Injury Update sense of show started scary. Terry still not practicing on Friday. Oh late week injury add to miss practices not good Jamal. Williams says he's good. He says only thing hurt is pride for not being able to finish the game. That's a good report after what happened to him. That's awesome. They say Godwin would be a game day decision but it's nice that he returned to practice and then hill remained sidelined again on Fridays practice throwing some doubt there. Let's go and get into our Friday segment bolers on a budget presented by fan tool I don't know why I became a pirate there but I was excited in my voice is like this so far is what you get. You had scary Terry Dan. You're in your mind and that's a good pirate name. That is a well known fact that pirates as they pillaged and they you know they journeyed the seas looking for booty to steal Blues Music. That's that's how they got ready for battle at. I didn't know that Mike but thank you well so look. We're giving you some of our favorite picks that are cheaper on fad. The little guys that we think can very very much out produce what they cost right now and and you guys could get in on this. The fancy footballers leaderboard series is going on and and just so that everybody and knows how this works 'cause you might think Oh. Maybe I didn't play week one week two. Maybe I've never played Fan duel. Right look this is we set this up this way so so that everyone has a fair shot every single week all you have to do every single week. It's a brand new contests you win any one of these weeks in his limited participants just for the foot clan you in any of them and you're automatically entered into that prize that there's a ton of prizes were given out including the all expense paid trip to Arizona and hang out with us. Do a live recording so it's. GonNa be great a great time. What's the Lemon Address Jason. Oh Yeah if you were I guess if you WANNA play you go to dot com slash ballers vandal dot com slash bars since I'm talking. I'M GONNA go with my super talk. I Guess Chalky but I think you you you're going to benefit from putting Wayne Goldman in your lineup. He's priced. I like old Wayne Gaughman. He's fifty nine hundred dollars. That's what you'd pay shot penny who might not play or to re. Cohen who has done nothing Wayne. engelman is inheriting the SAQUON. Barkley role he he won't be Saquon Barkley but in a game that we expect a lot of points to be scored Wayne Gaughman at fifty fifty nine hundred is a steel. Usually I like putting a lot of money into the Stud Stud running backs and finding cheaper value elsewhere but this week with golf and Miss Priced. I would throw him in my lineup all right. I'M GONNA go with Hollywood Brown on it. I was really surprised at fifty. Seven hundred dollars against Cleveland Been Targeted Twenty seven times on the air. I want people to understand that's the same as kidney golladay that's more than t y Hilton as more than Julian Edelman and this is a player that had limited snaps in week one and I just think you everything that you could want you get a bargain price on a player that can boom for you and has the target baseline so Hollywood Brown at fifty-seven hundred is my favorite pick of the week. That price point for Markey's Brown is seen as wrong. Can me like yes. You are one hundred percent in writing and that's a fantastic all I wanted to go with scary area sixty three hundred dollars against the giants the match up here. You're going from Terry to Larry. I might have to look. I'll give my piece owed Turmeric Lauren. The giants are giving up the most points to the wide receiver position. 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Phinsider Radio: Diagnosing the Dolphins after a week 1 loss to the Patriots

The Phinsider

54:46 min | 11 months ago

Phinsider Radio: Diagnosing the Dolphins after a week 1 loss to the Patriots

"Every Wednesday on fish drive join me Eric goes for a full report on the Miami Marlins singly affiliate the Clinton Lumber Kings on eight ball with Eric owes we sit down each week with the different prospect. That is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players, trends and performances of Miami's Midwest League affiliate. LISTEN TO ABE law with Eric goes every Wednesday on fish rights. Week. One is officially in the books as the Miami Dolphins fell to the New England Patriots Twenty one to eleven on. Sunday. We will get into the good the bad and the ugly from the divisional match up in a little. But I, let me welcome you to another episode of inside a radio. This is the Jake Josh Oh I'm Josh. So you can follow me on twitter at Haus H. O. U. T. Z.. I'm joined by Robinson my Batman, the A to my fitzpatrick, the President Williams to the my Devante Parker, the one, the only Jake Mendel follow him on twitter since he doesn't even know his own at at j Mendel j. m. e. n., D. L. Ninety four how you doing today, Jake? You know monitor those those such a great intro. I will happily leave the robin the to whatever you would like me to be. It's great to be here. You know it's interesting because every Sunday morning, you wake up and Sunday's kind of the quote Unquote Lazy Day. But of course, yesterday the start of football season I had some errands to run around. So that was interesting but but you know once I got to sit down and watch some football. It was exciting. I, had a lot of fun I mean you could tell there was a bunch of fan noise pumped in but I mean it didn't change the day to too much for me overall I think. I would've probably been the same acted the same exact way if there was if everything was right with the world so I think that's kind of first and foremost what works. Yeah before we get going any further, we just got to remind you guys if you're listening to this podcast whether it's on apple spotify Stitcher, whatever it is, please subscribe please make sure you follow us if you have any questions, reach out to us on twitter but most importantly subscribe to the podcast leave us those five star ratings because without you there is no else but I get into the football game and just the whole atmosphere I mean we read home so we weren't like the players you know we didn't have. The feed off that crowd noise. So it didn't really change too much because I mean to be honest it looked and felt to us like a normal football game. We'll get into the result of this football game, but it was kind of what we expected. But at the end of the day, you know for a stressful dolphins were there for you know for three hours for stressful as your fancy teams may have been it was just nice to finally have football back in your life and you know to kind of get away. From. Everything else that was going on the world. It was nice to have once again, dolphins football on the Sunday and like I don't want to get preachy about this. But I mean I mean he's been working on a story here for what am I the publication I worked for a New England newspapers I'm kind of getting together putting together a magazine story about the excessive the success of its here in Berkshire County Excuse me summer sports here in Berkshire, county just with everything going on I mean the one. Thing that I've heard time and time again I mean having headaches over sports is like a preferred headache I. Mean if you're GonNa if you're gonNA have stress in life if you're gonNA have headaches, I'd rather be talking about sports. I'd rather have it be talking about the Miami Dolphins. So it's good to see and Josh I. Think you know the you know we do previews of the game and everything and I don't WanNa talk too much about Buffo but I sure that will be brought up once or twice a show but. I think we were doomed the moment Cam Newton showed up looking like he was you know in the in the movie, the mask or something like that with just a straight up yellow outfit I mean we should have known. We are in trouble right then and there because I can't see him doing a a losing press conference wearing that. I'm one hundred percent with the two sides of the whole Cam Newton. Thing those that thought he was done he was never gonNA. Regain that MVP type form that we saw. You Know How many years ago Cam Newton might not have been quite like an MVP. But as soon as he showed up looking like the mass, like you said, you knew we were doing from the start and I mean, it was just a little bit baffling and I talked about during the game I threw out on twitter. But for us I mean, we know what Cam Newton is as a player and I good as he has a passer is even better as a runner you know he kind of transformed the way we view. QUARTERBACKS NFL. The way you know they bring in these guys that have those threats and can do a little bit of everything Cam Newton was kind of at the forefront of that whole thing. The guy's a playmaker and I it showed off on paper. The Dolphin just had no answer and you know this was the result that you're going to expect when you can't stop the run game and the dolphins give two hundred, seventeen yards on the ground. It was a dismal performance and makes you wonder if they if it would have been any different if recall McMillan was still in town. You know that kind of the height of the game or the main talking point is that run defense and you know to that and to the Patriots Credit I, mean we kind of had an idea what they would do. The receiving core is rough. It's not you know a good group and I think the thing that was most stressful about playing New England is that how they ran the ball right? I mean the longest run was twenty three yards and yes, that's a long run. But when you look at these averages here, Jj Taylor seven yards Rexburg had four point six, Sony Michelle's point seven and then cam newton the five yards per carry fifteen carries a seventy five yards overall. You know they weren't getting gashed. It was literally the Bill Belichick Josh mcdaniels these guys who are we know our incredible coaches and you know I eight to kind of you know suck up to them and a Miami Dolphins podcast because there's nothing I'd like to do more than kick kick the mother down. But you know the dolphins I think kind of had an idea. What the Patriots were going to do, but this is what the Patriots have been planning for this whole year is this type of being the safest possible offense ever you'll get Ryan Fitzpatrick he had three interceptions finished with a Qbr of seventy two point seven. Cam. Newton was fifteen for nineteen. His QBR was was a few points higher at seventy nine. What the Patriots did is. Really, just kind of want to pull your hair out because it go first and ten it goes second and six, it go third and three, and they're not getting stopped on that third and three thousand three over and over. It's just so hard early in the game, the New England Patriots didn't score in that first quarter we had drone Baker get a sack we. Had people make that you know one play early drive, but there weren't a lot of penalties in this game they the new England Patriots wanted to gather this game as fast as possible. They wanted to give the dolphins no opportunity, and we can look at that run defense and we're going to continue to talk about it but I mean it's just so hard when you know. You can't get that one stop. It's frustrating as all hell because it's this is what a coaching staff can do. They can set it up where it doesn't matter what kind of town we have. It's third in three and we're going to get it and to kind of put that on the other side that Kinda shows the dolphins are that I drive of the game I think it started with Jordan Howard longest rush the game it went for four yards you're feeling good i. you know we talked in preview I mean I've been preaching about and we'll talk about more in a little while but. They're going to get Jordan Howard, involved you know they they got to a second seven and one of the things I really thought the dolphins did well is get three to four yards on that second and seven all throughout the day, and then get into a third and three, and that's where they struggled. You know they punted on their first drive on a fourth one and that's The difference between the Patriots and the dolphins it's just that little little bit which if the dolphins get that I down if the dolphins get that stop on a third-down, that's the difference between eleven and five team and seven nineteen. That is that is it i? Mean? You can get a be way more specific. Yes. If we had required. McMillan but it's there's that little bit of. The dolphins blown out New England was in control this entire game. That's for sure. That's how the game plan did that scripted but I think that's the most frustrating thing and you know I'm not ripping my hair out over over here anything but just those little exert in three years ago to play fourth and one whereas to play and I think a lot of that had to do I mean Jordan. Howard it seemed like was a weekend at Bernie's type thing. It seemed like you know you said it Kaelin Balaj with a visor on after that I run he did not look like himself. It looks like there is no vision it looked like the first guy would always tackle them and then you have devante Parker go down and you know he started day with four receptions, forty seven yards and he was going. Early you was active early but then he only played thirty seven percent of the snaps. Then there goes your entire game plan after catching all four of his targets that came his way. That's just kind of goes to show what the game plan the dolphins wanted to do. They wanted to run Howard the offensive line look pretty good but there was just no fallback plan and with the way the Patriots are set. Up I mean, it's just so you clean up those four yards per carry called a day, and that's that's kind of a I know those kind of long winded answer for what you're looking for. But that's just kind of my opening thoughts on how we have to really look at the game. Now I gotta sit here and try and touch on every aspect of the game right behind that I mean just go. Here, just to kind of make that we didn't do a rundown for this, we thought something like this. It's easier to talk it all out again this isn't some sort of sad depressing thing but I think in a situation like this when you we have all this information front of us, what happened what didn't happen it only being week one just a point let's talk about it for a little bit and we'll go from there would just flow. Okay. Yeah and I think the first thing we really got to talk about and just kind of clarify again this was you know an unprecedented season We know everything leading up to this. This was essentially a preseason game. So these guys were getting out there. You know we saw a snap counts and we saw you know miles gaskins lean that running back group. There's different things that we can take away from we won but at the end of the day, this was their first chance of getting out there seeing all these new rookies, all these veterans come together and seeing what happens out there. So I expect you know week to to look a lot different but we say here we talk about how explosive cam looked on the ground and. Just, how good they were running the football, the dolphins figure something out quick because they're getting ready to play Josh Allen and we know what he just did. So you know it's not going to get easier and we've seen these mobile quarterbacks, Gash Dolphins, before I don't think Raycatena would help that and we can say every and talk about how the officiating could've changed the aspect of this game because let's be honest. I mean I sat there and I was capturing his videos yesterday and I kind of felt like I was wanting a little bit. The dolphins weren't beating the Patriots you know the. Patriots came out there Cam. Newton was ready to play. They came out there and they smashed off into the mouth. A couple of plays could one you know differently here and there that could have changed the aspect of that. But I think the outcome at the end of the day still would have been the Patriots winning and and and that's fine but the officiating was just you know it was bad there was at defensive pass interference in the end zone they think it called onto sticky there at the end of the game there was one earlier I believe again on just Saiki so. It's frustrating because he was a fan. You know you know when you play the Patriots for as long as Tom, Brady, he's been up there. You know the officiating always seems to go their way Tom Brady's gone. He wasn't getting those calls in Tampa Bay but Cam, Newton was definitely getting some of those calls that he wasn't getting Carolina. So I think the wrong needs to improve I think for as bad as the run defense you know two hundred, seventeen yards on the ground, but I tweet it out as of today you know right now they're still four teams have yet to play the dolphins pass defense is number one in the league and yes, they weren't they weren't. They didn't throw the football against them a lot but you look at what Brandon Jones did. You saw what he did in the nickel spot and you you love the production at you're getting out of this rookie. In his first appearance. Then then you've got Byron Jones you getting saving Howard he was on the snap count so things are gonna come together and I think the dolphins defense will definitely get better you need to hope the offense does because I took pictures on my daughter's they you know they were down there dolphins gear they were both sleeping. Offense shaved put you to sleep. You wonder if there was a snap counter, you know something that was going on at the beginning of the Game Y. Jordan Howard was in there while he didn't give miles gaskins carries no patrick layered do there's so much to unfold and I, mean I feel like we're just spitballing here but you gotta live with the offensive line I mean there's some good. There's some bad in their smugly Andy you know this was to be expected. It's week one calmed down and just let things play out because you know the the some of the things. Going into this year that we were concerned about the offensive line some other things you know maybe secondary coming together you know those things are starting to look decent. So just just give it some time. Let's the way this all unfolds and not put too much stock into week one as crazy as hard as that might be I don't I, I don't WanNa get into a position where I can you know be be quoted on this or anything like this but but I really don't want to judge these patriots until there's like three weeks of film because I mean you can. Zeki? Elliot. Good running back. We know they're like we know good running backs exist and just because you know they're good and you scheme to stop them doesn't mean you're GonNa Stop Them I. Mean the Patriots had this whole you know preseason quote unquote to game plan exactly this Cam Newton running the balls much as he did and it's not you know. Everybody knows when someone's a good running back I mean, and that's there's no surprises there and they're so good is because everybody knows they're good and he's still can't stop them and what happened against the the dolphin stay is something I'd like to see again after a couple weeks are you know of film are out there and maybe you know this offense is one that can stop I. Don't know if this is something sustainable for the Patriots whatsoever and it seemed like the dolphins defense they did enough to kind of keep the team in the game. I kind of tweeted this out you can't score three points half and expect to win the game. The PATS had the ball for ten. More minutes than the dolphins which I thought it was even going to be even longer than that but I mean I frustrated with the rush defense it was frustrating to watch don't get me wrong but I mean there are so many unknowns. There are so many different directions. This coaching staff I mean they brought Josh, mcdaniels, brought Tim, Tebow to the playoffs, right? So I'm not going to really get too frustrated on that justice yet the running game though that that really bothered me because you know come I think it was like in the second quarter before we saw Matt Brita to sitting there he only played twenty percent of snaps. That's where I start to have some sort of concerns right? My concern start with the dolphins offense because I don't like the people who are whining Oh. We knew we should've taken a wide receiver. Bleh. Matthew. On you're talking about the dolphins, a wide receiver in the first round, and then I didn't say I was into that I didn't like that and hindsight's twenty twenty it's always twenty twenty. Alan hearns, Wilson it out nothing against them put. It hurts you receiving core you respect what they did. It's just the type of season's going to be then Devante Parker. The reason he's making ten million dollars a year is because he has injury issues. But what we saw is a glaring hole of offensive towns somebody who can just make a play I mean I swear to God I am incredibly concerned about having crested Williams be a main piece of this offense. We had the play where he he? Fell Down I think there was another one even before that that I I was a little concerned about two receptions on seven targets that ain't it chief and then you the other thing that Kinda concerns me as Chan Gailey Abilities Schempp people open now you gotta spins on this and say well, we're not gonNA see more compared week one it was so fun to get excited about them in the preseason but I've been saying for so so long and I started the by into some of the stuff. It's going to be a little bit for we see him out in the field. It's going to be a little bit before the team trust him to go get those steps because one wrong wrong turn one slip and all of a sudden. That's an interception. We saw that with Preston Williams we saw for and fitzpatrick trying to force them throws which you know if I could have rented Patrick forcing throws to forcing throws I think you know where I would go there and that's kind of the issue I saw I love trying to Jordan Howard. Going early after that four yard run, he had seven runs for three era seven Russia's for for three yards. Altogether, that is concerning that is concerning his hell you wonder, did he enter the week with an injury? was that hamstring bothering him before because it was weird they said he was questionable and then he came back out to score that touchdown. So that's another concern I have there and you just have to wonder. Will this offense be able to kind of anything moving forward I? Think the defense is going to be fine but you have to wonder can the? Had the playmakers, the offensive line look great and I used to. Win The dolphins were struggling with the tank world going through the tank I? Guess I kind of made an idea of we should be allowed to sign one player the fans vote I wanted them to keep Kenyan drake that's not kind of where I'm going here. But this year I want the dolphins to be able to make. Use One play that we create. All right and hear me out on this I. Want Ryan Fitzpatrick to be at the line of the scrimmage at I wanna hear him audible. You know going through everything and then we just hear cheeks cheeks, and then the play instantly hikes the ball he runs right into. Salman Kinley. Bought and gets three yards. I think that be the most unstoppable play it worked out when they finally went with it on fourth and one sign me up I thought that was the best play that often bit all day. If run this cheeks plays that's something we'll get an update madden for because I mean this cheeks plays definitely. It it sounds really intriguing but I I know we talked to again we're talking about so many different things here. First thing we gotta bring up is the fact that you know bill belichick is a defensive minded coach probably one of the best defensive mines in the history of the game, and this was one of the best secondary's if not the best sector and it probably is the best second in. All football. So we meant you mentioned pressing Williams, and you would love to see and be able to create separation, but he was going at Stefan Gilmore from a second because they were doubling up parker or once he went down, they didn't even have to really worry about anybody else. So you talked about it off season heading in you know when we first started doing this podcast the I liked dolphins. Receivers I think it's a pretty good unit. You're slowly starting to see the way these chips fall and even before the Alan Hers and our Wilson opt-outs, you set yourself devante Parker goes down you know I, it could get ugly I will say this and I don't pretend to have sources but someone sent me a picture from instagram and they they responded to Devante pork instagram. Hope you. Okay chief and. He just responded with Gucci. So I'm sure it'll come out in a few few hours. No. Once they had practice later today I'm sure we'll find out devante Parker is fine so that that's a good thing to hear but disaffected respond to a fan on on instagram they sent it to me on twitter I. Thought that was awesome. But overall I think to me and we joke about Kayla Balaj but. And we all expect from Jordan Howard. But this dude average less than a yard per carry point nine. Yeah I mean and then you look at what breed four point four yards per carry five five carries twenty yards but miles gaskin I mean we kept hearing all season. You know this guy looks different. This guy can go out there and make some big plays. We talk about production at Washington he didn't really get a chance last season you had to feel pretty good about that the fact that Solomon Kinley and Also, Jackson, you know started all one hundred snaps on the offensive line. You gotTa that Ted Caress. We love the story about this is but towel but I mean to me this looks like you know yeah, this looks like you know the the Spiderman were Daniel or Kilgore's just pointing himself. You know they're. Just point and it's like you know you pretty much got the same player easily younger has some potential. So I I see weaknesses on the offensive line, but we talked about all season you at some point, there were thirty second ranked they had to get better and you love to see that from again. A bunch of young talented offensive I'm going against a bill belichick defense. So there's definitely some good some bad and you talked about Ryan Fitzpatrick I mean it is what it is I just WanNa. Know at what point do you continue to see this and then you realize you know maybe it isn't the team and it's not this whole. These other factors that played into this maybe there's Ryan. Fitzpatrick. was just doing the Fitch tragic thing and it's just what he does drought. His creed can't fault them for that. But sooner than later, we know they gotta turn the keys over to to I. Think they'll have some patients here with them having the two games at home but. You know it's week one. Don't get. Don't overreact too much. You know don't get too over hyped about something because it's one week. Let it play out that's all I got to save. With Parker I mean low you could truly tell when he's on the field that you have a number one wide receiver and all the years past and last year it emerged and and even you know for most of the season last year, you could still save the dolphins didn't have a number one wide receiver. The offense certainly could move with Pratt or park on the field and I was just so impressed with the way he played I mean. It was Gilmore on them. I, think they actually didn't shadow him You do hope he's okay because if he has another healthy season, he might start asking for more money he might start becoming the Guy But when he goes out like that, you see the the weaknesses of a roster that does not flash again. I. I mentioned some doubts about Preston Williams, but I do think you know coming back from injury it's going to take a little time. And that's just kind of what it is. At this point talking about miles gaskin. I did a threat this morning of just a bunch of thoughts I had for the game. And a lot of people responded with I. Kind of what is what kind of dirt does miles gas can have on the coaching staff where he's getting you know nine carries he was in there before Brita and everyone who responded with Gaskins fine and that. He was what a seven hundred pick gaskins he's of fine running back. But in order to have a good offense, you need something a little better than fine and and that's where you start to wonder how healthy someone like Jordan Howard is I was wondering if Brita was even in the dog house or something like that was going on but I the the big concern about week one. has to just still be the unknowns. We still don't know too much about this team generally speaking Josh let let's switch over to the defensive side. I JUST WANNA ask one more time. If there's anything you have to say about the offense because Kinley looked good Austin Jackson looked awesome the pants don't really have any big studs, their defense anywhere anymore which we highlighted well, I mean they're secondary's amazing. I mean that was. Pretty obvious. As we saw but but in terms of I'm the lied and the linebacker core. There's nobody amazing on the on that crew. But the dolphins they stayed Pat I think that's Patrick once on the day and that was on a play where he actually kind of ran into the rush there and suffered the sack. But I mean, I have to be pretty happy with offensive line and seemed like they had time I think Jordan Howard. Some of those stuffs I think somewhere actually on him because when gaskin average, no, four, point four which. Isn't great either. But you see that there's those holes are there. There's opportunity there's chances are you have to kind of wonder? Where are the dolphins going to get their chunk plays from? We saw the twenty one yard gain from Preston Williams. I. Think he had a long of eighteen but I mean you you need someone who can help get. You into the red zone and the dolphins were able to accomplish that once yesterday talk about running backs quick, and then we'll shift focus the defense but CK pair Chris Kaufman said the dolphins eleven personnel sixty one percent of the snaps you know that was when they used exclusively gaskins Breda he said most Jordan Howard's run place where exclusively behind. fullback Chandler. Cox and or a double tight end. We saw the touchdown I don't know if anyone else knows this. I went back and looked at the tape. Chandler Cox makes a beautiful cut block but it looks like Robert Hotlines, up as an eligible receiver there you know the tight end spot only line. So they had a lot of extra meet. There you know worked out they got that touchdown but love to see more from from Jordan Howard specifically. Again, I don't know if maybe Brita was like you said in the Doghouse or maybe they saw him and gaskin as a very similar skill set and they thought that Gasping, Oh, the way he worked and we continue to hear it all off season. He was great. You know he just did everything you needed to do to get better this year maybe they decided reward that that's why he got those touches and again he made the most of it. So I think running backs fine. I think the offensive line's good. Obviously, we can see here nitpick if we want. Create, let's let's sorry I. Want to get your thoughts on Chan Gailey 'cause that's that's probably the second question I received is is behind How would you think of Gaskin? What was how do we feel about Chan Gillian? The first game some people can chalked it up to well, you know here's a sixty, a old offensive coordinator he's up in the box does he really have a feel for it and everything going on Ed? Overall? No. But if we want to get nit picky and you talk about Jordan Howard always running behind, you know gaskin the dolphins I don't know if they have that. Talent level, the Patriots where you can kind of set up these four running backs or Cam Newton three running backs and just kind of we're GONNA, make it work no we're going to run the ball and we're GonNa do it because through two seasons I know they're different offensive coordinators a game, a season and one game I mean sorry I'm. Over action, the dolphins haven't been able to be in a position where other team knows what they're going to do and can't stop them in terms of the running game, and so you have to wonder gaskin his success I believe came when they were really spread out across the field. When you have, you know a grant in a Ford in but once you get into that I four once you get Chandler Cox in there. It. Seems like it was pretty obvious. They were going to run to them. They could tee that up and Howard wasn't getting anywhere to another thing we can think about is this is all week when Gainesville teams are going to have to be using this for the next three to four weeks. You know does this if we don't WanNA get -TUNI- Jerky does this all of a sudden torrent turned into Chandler Cox getting sections out of the Backfield we mentioned Tony Romo talking about less yesterday when when we saw Jillian Eshelman kind. Of makes them catches over the middle option plays. It was Tony Romo's saying how as the game goes on it turns into this cat and mouse of hey, you think we're GonNa do this actually I can go to Jillian, and over the middle I can do these different things. We can kind of build on top of our offense you have to wonder when that next step of the offense is GonNa come for the Jordan Howard and maybe Chandler Cox package where it is maybe next week maybe in two weeks will see Chandler Catch some balls at outfield. We'll see these plaques and plays. Put in week one, it certainly looks scripted and it certainly looked basic and there could be a method to the madness of that. Especially when you see how offense is developed throughout the season we saw Parker really turn it on after week ten. Yes. That had to do with the Preston Williams not being on the field is soaking up seven targets like he had last week but at the same time to its offenses need. Time to develop I mean miles gaskin. He's the second year seven for UNPICK. You said it best. He didn't have a lot of time to play last year. This could only be like the I. Hope it is the building block of what this offense is. GonNa be because it looked pretty basic I heard some whispers of as they're going to potentially be a certain package that has to on the field now they could go. Two ways. You don't use that week one or the dolphins weren't in a position to do that, and the dolphins didn't have a lot of opportunities on offense. They couldn't get anything go and there was a point midway through the fourth quarter where I think the only had six snaps in that second half and you can kind of go both ways of. Yes the dolphins couldn't stop the run, but the dolphins offense couldn't get anything going to and the defense had to be on the field the whole game. So it Kinda goes both ways when you think about it and you have to hope in terms of Chan Gailey in the offense, there's going to be a lot more creative creativity established as the. Season goes on and as they incorporate all these brand new pieces not so biggest thing. I, mean this was week one and I think a lot of this was scripted but to me I mean delays offense was kind of what a lot of people joked about and they were like, why are we bringing in a sixty year? Old Offense Coordinator has been. Out of the game. Bid. House. Fence. GonNa look and you know kind of look a little dated you know and you don't know how much of that again was scripted. How much I mean. We sat here and we told you that the key to this game was to use Jordan Howard and try to pound that football. So with the dolphins do those first. Fifteen to twenty plays. As you would think, a script would be you know they went out there and they tried the pound that ball. So it didn't work out I. Think it's going to be nice seaways progress. One thing I took notice to there was a package at early on Patrick layered end miles gasket in there. So they were emotion those guys out both those guys are you know good receivers? So that's something to keep an eye on I. do think it's GonNa be interesting to stay way Malcolm. Perry. Younger guys limb bowed, and how they work their way into this into this you know get some snaps because again, the wide receivers need to improve there's a lot to build on here but at the end of the day, you know it's week one hopefully hopefully, we do see him too I mean I I love seeing on the sideline there someone said maybe I think it was you right you said that his representations probably like you know how that helmet on dopey on the sidelines looking like you're not. Prepared be ready to go into the game. I'm going to throw this out there before we transition defense because Ryan Smith a pro football focus tweeted out you know the top five highest grade at dolphins offensive players from Rick One minimum twenty snaps devante Parker was at the top of the list with an eighty seven point six Solomon Kinley with seventy one point three Mike just sick with a seventy point five and miles gaskins with a seven point five. So those were the top greeted pro football focus you know? performance on offense I'm going. Back I'm. GonNa keep holding us back I I. We keep going on the offense but I like where the way this is going because there were soapbox and it's it's it was a loss. It was we didn't have any preseason to talk I mean let's just talk through this. Kids are. and. That's kind of thing like it's week one you know we're not. We don't have anyone on the chopping block. There's no guillotine here but you also kind of wonder to You know we heard the same thing in Breda and Howard as their one, a and one B I wonder how much reporting really into looking into that because obviously, these guys can't talk about the chart or anything like that. But just the way everything kind of played out. Yes, you know Jordan. Howard might have been hurt but you have to wonder if that is truly what the dolphins thaw about their current running back group as if they're truly one eight, one because it didn't look like that out there whatever the reasons were you have to wonder if there's a bigger story about Miami's running backs than the reporters, baby didn't get to see because they have limited time there or simply saw them trade for Gaskin as trade for Brita, they signed Howard and you think. Wipe it off A. Howard had success met breed is one of the fastest running backs You maybe tweet you talk to one source and say, Hey, these guys, are there one a one B right and you're like up sure let's go with that. That's it, and that's kind of went into it because that's kind of what it looked like there and to a man Oh my God. I could not believe he's just sitting there just ready to go with his helmet under head to have been some sort of PR people saying you don't WanNa look. Did you see what Josh Rosen looked like at the saints? Bucks. Game you sitting in the crowd looked miserable he looked huge and I'll just like Oh my God. How can anybody see him sitting out? There I mean again, you know you have to be upset your cut your former first round pick. You've had all these struggles but he looked for good miserable out there and I don't think any coacher GM would see him sitting out in the field slouch like that and think, let's take a shot with him. But when you see to a sitting there with his Helmet someone tweeted that the entire dolphins offensive line was sitting with their their entire offense actually did their entire. They were sitting there helmets off just kind of waiting to get back on the field to sing there with the helmet on. Now these are little things could honestly be nothing but I just thought it'd be interesting worth pointing out that he legitimately seems like. Whatever play you on me and let me go into. Let me go in there and he's not gonNA stop pushing for that and that's kind of the exciting thing as move forward. Especially when you have fitzpatrick their gums kind of hanging out of his mouth, just doing his thing especially, it was frustrating seeing him. Time and time again, go after Preston Williams and Mike two seconds to psyches target per to reception ratio. He caught three five targets that came his way I thought that was going to be a lot worse because it seemed like the second half fitzpatrick was just kind of play Madden for the first time stopping the X. or whatever and over and over and whoever was there whatever their double covered. You just kinda prayed they made a play and that's no way to run an offense. You don't know again pretty basic but those are those are kind of the thoughts. You have the offense opening day When you only score eleven points, I mean, if your defense gives averages twenty, one points a game for the entire season, you better win twelve gains I mean that the I think you know you could say the granted the game to haul but I think the patriots reached their limit of in terms of scoring the dolphins had stops. It's just tough when you know three and out your back out the three and out, you're back out there and you can't really find any time to adjust on the sidelines or anything like that. espy nation presents the SP nation. NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season. With your favorite espy nation community leaders you'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis fantasy football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the SP nation NFL show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts. So your favorite podcast APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. Completely. Agree. I, mean and you're right Ryan Fitzpatrick definitely me early on play Matt rolling out just throwing these random past prayer. Be. Yeah. Before before we finally transitioned onto the defense. I'm going to say you know throughout these press conferences that we hear we've heard. Howard and we heard map say no, the depth chart doesn't really matter. They're gonNA use all these guys and when you look at one New England does I mean is it really surprised at the way they're using these guys maybe not I do think Dolphin Fans I. I don't know about you but I'm sure there's a lot of them are going to go out there and try to put a waiver it for miles gaskin because you know we heard the hype you know a lot of us like to have that dolphins running back and fantasy why not go out there and put a waiver claim especially at a P P but you wanna see the way these running backs. How snow this? Progresses throughout the year and you hope that continues. To see more out of this offense I mean looked anemic. It had my kids sleep and it just wasn't what we had hoped to see after you know being hyped up throughout preseason. No you couldn't see a lot of earth route couldn't see a lot of things but you were getting excited. You heard about these explosive explosive plays I just WANNA know if this was the dolphins home. Opener, normal year all the fans were there at what point you know is that the second reception of Third Really Start Stanford to it because I've been there. I've been there a week two game. You know really play the titans and they got blown out and in Ryan Tannehill was in there and they were there we want matt more chance I, mean if you can sit there and. You can transfer. We Want Matt. Moore. You should damn sure be cheering for. You know to to a because at. Second Reception I think hard Rock Stadium would have been pretty loud and and they would have wanted to see something happened. Well, it wouldn't have happened because again, this was essentially preseason week one but I mean, we just went a good half hour on offense we need to shift focus to the defense and I mentioned Ryan Smith Pro Football Focus. You mentioned the highest great players. For offense minimum snaps years the highest grade play minimum twenty snaps on defense I guy Chris. Wilkins had a monster game an eighty overall safety bobby McCain Seventy six point eight Colvin had a sixty nine safety Brandon Jones at sixty five, point three and Eric grow sixty four, point four again these are pro football focuses numbers you know they do a lot of great work but this isn't the be all tell all you know. So you can see some of these players we. Can. All sit here and say Christian welcomes had a great game. You know we saw that we saw brand Jones play well in the nickel being thrown in there as rookie. So I'm going to take a step back I'm GonNa let you tell me what you saw the defense and then I'm GonNa Bring Back give you my thoughts and we'll try to we'll try eventually wrap this off I. Mean we might be talking about Matt Hawkins and Jason Sanders for another good fifty minutes and. Then it's the football season I. think that's why I did that throw this morning is because I think at the end of the day like football's back at and I did have some people. The first tweet I said was while this is fifty nine to ten. We must feel better about that and I do I i. didn't think yesterday was awful and you know some people said Oh classic Dolphin fans you're settling it's like dude, it's week one. This is still a rebuild lately. I wish we could have been Gardner Shoe and the the Jaguars blowing era stealing from the colts but. It's the New England patriots like. You're playing in doing that it's tough to do it just because the dolphins have had success and this isn't something you still snap your fingers I mean we saw with the dolphins did winning games last season and as of right now, I mean you have to go till at least week eight before you start looking at sort of things and who knows they could start owing and I would not be surprised if this team won eight straight games and the season, it's literally about coming together and it's the progress at you know you kind of started with Christian Wilkins, their men talk about some progress. Six total tackles two tackles for loss, and this is like the issue with the running game like everyone's saying that the dolphins run defense was awful. Do they seven tackles for a loss like there's only so much you can do where you're just they. The Patriots have so many opportunities where it's GonNa work out we must we had one mistake pint hopefully, they don't take advantage of that I. mean this defense did Great. They didn't give up any points on any of the. Three turnovers I. Still GotTa Finish Christian Wilkins had two passes the fan he defended two passes. That's so beautiful a quarterback hit. He had the sack a drum baker actually had the first sack of the game and in our show last week, we did our lists of I who would have the I X Y and Z for the Dolphins Ob so far I on two or three Jordan Howard had the first touchdown Preston Williams at the first twenty plus yards. I. said that Aqua would have the first sack that wasn't true because Baker was out there early and you could tell the dolphins had some sort of plan that worked perfection that game they schemed up that Hey, will stop Newton we'll get to him early we let them pass the ball and they did that. But once you have those seven tackles for loss, you need the offense to make some sort of play i. have to admit I mean I the my biggest. Memory of Calvin that game was him dropping the loudest bomb I've ever heard and when the dolphins signed van Noy I didn't expect him to be like this all pro or anything like that. But you expected him to be the guy that can kind of keep the quarterback from scurrying away running all alone for five to seven yards before anybody's close to him and we didn't see that I think he might have been the biggest disappointment and then Jamal Perry played a lot brandon. Excuse me. Excuse me Brandon Jones played so much you at ten total tackles. Exhibit. Our and actually had ten tackles and his first game as a Miami Dolphin. Too I thought that was interesting but I mean That's kind of the issue there. You have all these guys in the secondary plant where they probably should've had five defensive lineman. It seemed like the adjustments came they came late and by the time they came the Patriots were able to do different things. So the offense the defense kind of seen like a bit of a concern in the sense of. Way Didn't can you expect them to stop the bleeding? How are these or middle of the game adjustments going to go and I thought that was my first initial reaction of a drone. Baker. Penalties were a bit frustrating. I gotTa say you got to be smarter than that in your second year but that that kind of summed it up I mean there are a bunch of guys where I'm sorry to say I had to go. Who is that you know I even after seeing some of these guys is number I still had to look it up because I was just like who is that I don't know this team is so different. So fresh and these are all things that could change week to week. This team's got a lot of work to do but I mean Christian Wilkins is looking like a Stud Brandon Jones I don't know of tackles necessarily the best. View of success but I mean, as a rookie in his first game, you love to see it and that's where I'll start my diagnosis of this defense. Josh what how did you feel? You saw early on the way Cam Newton was running the football, the way, the the way, the Patriots, running the football generally the dolphins just had no answer for that, and then at some point that drive, they just seem to started to to get a little more aggressively started a blitz and that's Jerome Baker came in on touching and got that second I just wonder and the all twenty two hasn't come out yet at least if I'm not mistaken but I need to go back and watch it because I. I want to know what they differently because there were times when you know it just seemed like the Patriots could have their way just march downfield. But then there were times when they mix something in there and you know you just saw this, it look different Dolphin's defense. You saw some pressure you know you didn't they they got to. They got him what two times at believe it looks like Christian Wilkins had a sack drone. Baker had one drug at Monster Day at thirteen tackles we saw at sixteen total tackles. Three, Solo Solo. Yeah. Sorry. Hold on the drone. Baker. At sixteen total tackles thirteen so low he had the sack We saw that it looked like he stopped at least in my opinion looks like you stop Kim Newman at the goal line we all know he probably was going to pound it in either way I look like save that touchdown, and then you know that incredible I mean he he did he did it real hard on that on the you know the rpo there in Kamrul to the to the right side and he just knocked up ball out at went into the goal line. So you know. Went into the end zone touchback. So drone Baker, he was all over the field, but I don't know how many of those tackles were were like you said, it was after the bleeding going to stop overall like the way the secondary looked like Brennan Jones. He looked like he played a lot of nickel and again yet success there he's got he got snaps over nickname implies single defensive snap. He was all in special teams but for me just the fact that the run. The run defense look so poor when you brought in those guys and offices go out there and get that splashy pass rusher but they did go out there and get these guys who were known for setting the edge and it just didn't seem like it. Kind of all went out the window you mentioned Calvin annoys some. What's it look like he was kind of you know he had meant US wearing men around his legs so he didn't impress but again. It's the first game. These guys are in a new place. You know they're getting to know these guys out there on the field you know in the live game action let's see what happens this week but I don't see it getting any easier against buffalo and Berra's success was New England was against run. If they don't fix at in buffalo can do the same thing because Josh challenged just as explosive with not more than Cam Newton they that dynamic tenement at. Single -Tarian Zach Moss. So the dolphins gotta get together quick, but there was some good at in the in the run game. You know there's some very in the passing game from what we got to see but again, they just got gashed and you hope they can you hope that they can improve because this is the dolphins. This is what the Dolphins are defensive team. You know that's Brian Floors Mo. you WANNA see more out of this unit. Yeah for sure. And you have to wonder I, mean I thought to myself. You Know Shack Lawson Manual eibar two guys who are gonNA come in and not be amazing. I didn't. You know nobody expected these to come in and be world beaters and they weren't paid look world leaders quite frankly they're paid like guys who can come in and and just supply level consistency and you know at first I was like, where are these guys doing but then when you look at how? They spoke about the defense, the coaches that is all off season about how we WANNA keep ask fresh how we WANNA give every opportunity to be healthy and make some plays. But then you see right here Shack Lawson played ninety four percent of snaps manual Agua played eighty six percent snaps. I. Mean. This team is still lacking depth where the Patriots can go on some runs while these. Guys are kind of catching their breath. I mean I expected more out of them. I wanted more of them quite frankly but you kind of understand where it's coming from I mean the dolphins have everything invested into their secondary and what did the Patriots do? They didn't throw the ball I mean if they did it was over the middle, it was a dump off because that's secondary is. Truly going to be special and you know if you look at it in a sense, the dolphins tried to come in here with a game play at same game plan as the New England Patriots and the Patriots sustained better in terms running the ball the dolphins couldn't do that and all of a sudden the game has slipped out of their hands you have to kind of think about. This the the weaknesses on this defense we know where they are. We know that they exist and that that pass rush those outside linebackers and that was on display the Patriots attacker weakness, and truthfully had no problems which is going to happen. It's going to be fine but you start to play that cat and mouse game more as the season goes on you just kind of have to. Wait I'd say I mean I think I think this game is crazy. It's going to sound it's create, and this has nothing to do with how he played yesterday. If Tom Brady was the quarterback, I think the dolphins would have fared much better just for the sake of they have film on Him they understand his style play you have a secondary that can stop a team from throwing the ball but this new type of New England patriots I don't. I truthfully don't know how sustainable it is with. Cam. Newton running the ball that much and making it look as easy as he did But as more films on the as he takes more hits, I, mean things very much change after week one, they certainly do and that's kind of just the expectations we gotta have I mean they had the turnover the Josh I know you just said I should know this who who forced the fumble at Avante. was. that. That was drone Baker. But I I actually misspoke said that was WANNA cam. Newton scramble it was actually on an Akil Harry Nicole Harry is the one that fumble that into the end zone. So it was a good hustle Baker but if you go back and look at the play, it looked like he you know bid in a little bit. But I mean. It is what it is to and and you mentioned that things aren't going to get easier against before I'd I'd agree that but they're certainly not going to get harder. I, think we kind of know what Josh is going to do Josh Allens going to actually take some shots John fumbled the ball or turn the ball over. I don't know if you fold it more at least twice yesterday and we'll say that for a preview coming later this week but I been this is about is hard as a test. The dolphins are GonNa get for the run defense I don't think it's going to I. Don't think you can prepare or. Challenge than an offense that features five foot six JJ Taylor and a Cam Newton who hasn't played in a year I don't think you can prepare for that Especially, the coaching staff the Patriots have is what it is. I. Think there are concerns, hundred percent concerns but I do like the defense I do like what they had. I thought the lack of penalties was. Awesome, except I do think Christian Wilkins I wonder if he still has a little bit of a an attitude thing because we hear about him being so goofy, you know the food no no, you're not going to block that type of stuff but that's what we're allowed to here. I do have a concern of him getting penalties, concern of him, kind of you know. For. The freaky is not thinking enough and I guess that's I mean Chris. Wilkins was awesome. I tweeted that wisn ninety nine in Madden. But there is some sort of concern there. You mentioned gate or Al mentioned after the game scuffle regarding Cam Newton, Cam Newton. Someone who can get under people's skins? It's part of what makes him such a great player great competitor but that's something I. Think will contest become smarter and I kind of hoped a little more would be seen at of those Ed rushers but overall i. Mean it is. What it is. I think were the dolphins weren't favored. They were six and a half point underdogs. I think the struggle struggles I definitely going to be there I think even on the defensive side of the ball, you're not going to present to many of your special or flashy plays early on because I mean this the the whole seasons, a cat and mouse game, and it's all about when you can be the cat and and generally speaking sometimes you're gonNA have to be the mouse just is what it is. Think about how much team show in the third preseason game? Yeah. That's kind of what? I mean for a lack of a better word. That's kind of what we saw here. There was lots of good to talk about on both sides. The football lots to improve on overawe ethic. The Christian Wolfenstein I mean I think you're onto something there, but I also think it has something to with Cam Newton I mean he's always has address. You know that that way about him and you know there's some trash talking going on we don't know what was going on with that whole necklace. We saw it looked like they ripped it off his neck and then You know he went to Instagram I saw earlier today and said something about they couldn't take the W. or the chain off my neck and shack loss and Emery Kwan Davis. Responded with for shackle also, we don't want that weak ass chain and then required. Davis. Responded man ain't nobody want your guests changed was week anyway. So apparently, there's something there and you know I jokingly say you know the heat's real but you know it doesn't matter. It's Tom. Brady I definitely think Cam Newton up kind of upgraded what we saw at least from New England last year I mean it looks like a different offense like you said, you don't know how sustainable it is. How. Sustainable it is, but I mean, we saw Tom Brady Tom Brady looks like he has a noodle armies Chad Pennington with with Super Bowl rings at this point I mean, it is what it is. So I, I like the new look Patriots I wish they weren't You know the Patriots because I I'd love to for Cam Newton, but there's something going on here. But again at the end of the day, they need to find A. Way To to stop that run because they got a lot of mobile quarterbacks on that schedule and if they continue to get gas on the ground, you know sure the secondary stats are gonNA look no one's throwing the football against them because they don't have to. But it's early there's a lot of takeaways but but I think overall I, think we touched a little bit of everything and kind of gave us a good overall view of swindling. Ugly, this was kind of like Cam Newton's though the wildcat game that obviously, we'll never stop talking about but but it was just something that no matter how much you try whether it's Ricky Williams for three yards Ronnie Brown throwing it over you. There's just no way to stop it especially when you haven't seen it before and I think everybody in New England said that about the wildcats game in the sense of we just haven't seen it before we didn't know what to do I think this is it's a tough opponent to play during the week when I mean we can go back for years. Yeah. They struggle early on but I wonder if you again. I. Not. Going to predict the future The fact that we could predict the Miami offense of wanting to run with Howard predict these couple of I. Concerning and we shouldn't be able to kind of predict these things. We kind of get people on twitter all the time who go out with these instinct feelings and and they deserve all the props because these are the smartest people in terms of football in the world on the football field creating these plays in terms of like bill check in terms of a lot of coaches you've seen that felt. So for the fact that the dolphins were able to keep this close keeping it a ten point game, I mean you mentioned the penalty interest sake and I'm never gonNA use penalties next as an excuse, my simple answer play well. Enough so the roughing doesn't matter again that's you know but sometimes, yes, there are always sometimes but you don't you can't really settle games like that. You can't say the rats took one away from us because there's a lot the dolphins could have done here but it is just a tough situation week one and I'm not gonNA freak out because come buffalo, and again, we'll talk about this previous show. There's no secret what they do there is no secret that type offense they run. Right? We didn't know the Patriots were going to do. It's something we haven't seen before and you just Kinda gotTa Chalk that up for what it is. Before we get going I want to throw three three quick things out there no eggnog and he became the youngest player dolphins history to play an NFL game yesterday when he was twenty years old and two, hundred, ninety one days Ryan Fitzpatrick with that two yard run became only the second dolphins quarterback and history and score two point conversion. The other was George Wilson Junior back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, six. And last but not least Safety Brandon Jones the rookie safety from Texas Joins Avian Howard. Fred. Warner. Devin. Bush and Shaquille Griffin has one of only five players since two thousand sixteen to record double digit tackles in their NFL debut. So pretty big days for some dolphins again, don't put too much stock into this week two's coming up and you know hopefully they improve. Yeah and if you enjoyed the show, be sure to hit that subscribe button wherever listen to your podcast, leave a rate leave review leave us your questions. Again I do try to Monday morning Ted talks the threat of my thoughts because I used to be someone who? Live tweeting through the game and obviously you're going to get a lot of interaction there. But I I reached the point where I don't why I'm not taking anything away of people who do I like kind of taken that little time to reflect and I do want to apologize to everyone how we're sitting here and you'd love to kind of put your flag in the sand somewhere. About this is how it should be. This is how it's going to happen but I mean with no preseason even if there was a preseason week, one is so frustrating bear played the dolphins are going to try to get more involved. It's you know it's a kind of eye-popping when you see guys like no monogamy and Brandon Jones place so much even miles gaskin place so much. These young guys they're going to get more people. The Malcolm Perry's involved as the season goes wrong along there's going to be more wessels, more bells and whistles incorporated into this team and I guess what we're preaching here is to Kinda just wait it out. There were some things to see this team obviously played it safe where they didn't want to get blown out fifty nine hundred. Ten but they did get themselves at opportunity to win I. Think on both sides of the ball there's room for improvement. I think the defense played well enough to walk away with that W. But again, I apologize that we're not really saying you know this guy stinks herbs are if that was too loud but this guy is so bad. This guy is so great rising getting more snaps. Early. these averages are going to all start to kind of even out we're gonNA, get a better idea this team and I think. The one thing if we're going to walk into next week excited as we have not worse offensive line in the NFL I, we should celebrate that you should take that as your advice for this week. The Miami Dolphins aren't the worst offensive line in the NFL put that feather in your cap and that's march into Buffalo. Buffalo's on the horizon again, you know it's a long season you the dolphins got their feet wet I think we can all confidently say you know what? When they visit when New England comes down here you know later in the season, it's GonNa be much different game in there'll be some chain snatching. That's for sure definitely some chain snatching going on. Absolutely absolutely and again, thank you so much for room listening to finsider radio. We're looking forward to seeing you guys. 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NFL Draft Breakdown: NFC Winners & Losers

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NFL Draft Breakdown: NFC Winners & Losers

"This is Christian Kirk with Arizona Cardinals. And you're listening to the fantasy football podcast. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike, right? Welcome in. So happy to be here. Joined by Jason and Mike, I'm Andy Holloway. And this is the fantasy football podcast coming to you Tuesday, April thirtieth. So much to talk about so exciting times are. Times are very exciting. Mike, weeded Rica don't all whole show and not even talk about football. Yeah. You're still riding high on game of thrones. Oh, not just thrones. Oh danger. Everything NFL draft. Everything is everything is very good right now, I really have nothing to look forward to anymore. Well, I that goes for you, maybe but not our listeners not the case supporters, the rookie in dire. No rankings the rookie and dynasty rankings are in the ultimate draft kit right now as promised we've had time to digest all of the happenings from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, the NFL draft, the fantasy football implicat- implications. I'm so excited to talk about winners and losers today, we're talking through the NFC teams. And when I say winners or losers. It's not just it's really not even talking about necessarily which rookies went where. But which rookies effect other players on these teams there were some big time winners based on, you know, competition not being drafted right for where they line up. Oh, I mean, I I was holding my breath the entire draft overtime Oakland was on because you know, I just had a dynasty startup draft. Derek carr. His his whole career can change in the blink of an eye. You know, is is he I like that it goes to Jarrett car. Meanwhile, Damian Williams skyrockets to adopt him. Meanwhile, Terrel Henderson drafted directly behind girly. Look so much to talk about. But I get what you're saying. Because if Dwayne Haskins is drafted by Oakland their careers is done by way of fantasy starter Ville, probably self. Eloquent eloquent. Yes, I I'm just I'm hyped. I'm ready to go on. There's there's a lot of news to cover on today's show as well. So there is news. Stay tuned. Do not miss it. We also want to kick things off with a big big big announcement. And nothing says big announcement like. You or? Jason is do you live up to blue from willy Wonka? Assemble listen, we are we've we've teased it a little bit. But we're very excited to announce the people's fantasy tour. Yeah, presented by pristine auction. We are coming live is a live podcast tour. We did it last year for the first time we're coming coast to coast this June, July and August, and I'm just speaking for myself. I don't know about these guys. But this is the most fun you can possibly have hated it. 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You start making your plans, you can buy all five city to or cross somebody shows up to all five I'll give you a medal. That's how I'll figure it out. I'll get you. Some kind of metal Mike is forging metal medallions for our listeners. So that's what's going on. I mean, a button became a buy button. I mean like one of those was Dicker with a sticker. It's it's a dog sticker. Yeah. Bolers lie dot com. Just reminds you. Let's get into the news. News and notes from around the league presented by sleeper. See that was so exciting. Oh, we were riding high for now. We gotta talk about tyreek hill. Let's quickly. I mainly. All right. Audio has been released. The case has been reopened against tyreek hill, he's not partaking in any team activities, and essentially we got word this morning via sleeper that it's very likely. He's added to the commissioners exemplified very soon as this investigation. Proceeds and we always talk about you know, when you don't know what a team's gonna do look at what their actual transactions are. And obviously in the draft their first pick the Kansas City Chiefs, I pick they went and drafted a tyreek hill comparible style of player saying that. That could be an indication that they do not expect to keep him. Why? And people want our opinion on this ever since the news broke give me a percentage chance to think tyreek hill plays football. Again. I would say it's about five percent and not with the chiefs. Again, I'll go maybe five to ten percent this year ongoing zero percent chance that he plays again. But it won't be for the chiefs. I think he'll get cut. He'll be on the exemplify he'll be gone for a couple years. And then some team will take a gamble in a risk. You know? I know I know we've seen it too many times these these teams when there's a young talented player. I mean, it's a shame. Yeah. It just it stinks. It stinks. Ultimately for tyreek hill the person what his decision making. And in those impacted the victims of this situation, his girlfriend the child we're just pray full that you know, they're in a safe situation. ESPN's Adam Schefter reporters real chance that Doug Baldwin will be unable. To continue playing and the Seattle Seahawks degree by drafting to I'd receivers. Yeah. All the jokes. We've been making over the last month or two when you weren't supposed to do this. They feel worse. Now, we're like he's he's he's gonna be a machine with jokes because he was going to come back right way football. And this this has not looking likely, so we'll talk through the ru- the wide receiver situation a little bit on the show today with the NFC winners and losers from the draft. There won't be an announcement soon because there are salary cap ramifications. And they said that Doug Baldwin himself will make that announcement not the team if he decides to retire. We know he's undergone multiple surgeries Assam season. It's not looking good. And the big man the big lefty Sebastian. Yes. He has retired sea bass swimming off into the night. I means there's only one player left from that draft class. Oh, really in the NFL. Is that Tom Brady is sure is Tom Brady has outlasted the mall. Wow. And this is a eighteen year. Retirement fertile Jankowski? So a reminder that was today's news notes brought to you by the sleeper app. Ask you Commissioner to move over to sleeper great platform for your dynasty league. Always improving guys. Let's get into it. We'll go win. All right NFC winners and losers were starting in the NFC west Brooks strategically weird rearranged our show docs this week. So that we had the opportunity to start with the NFC. And then I look in in our dock and we're starting with the NFC west. And then I say, wow, we're gonna start with the cardinals in the NFC west pure coincidence. No number one pick. They have a number one pack, and I guess winter me. Yeah. Arizona fans are excited and this was fares on fans for fantasy fans. This is a good draft. This is a draft. That means that the players the incumbents the existing players on this roster. David Johnson, Larry FitzGerald, these were players that last year was rough sledding bad offense mines bad personnel problems. Josh Rosen was traded Cuyler Murray goes number one overall they invest too high. Capital picks on wide receivers. They draft three wide receivers. Overall, India's Abella Akeem Butler who was if you remember the wide receiver show one of my favorites. And then Keyshawn Johnson. Guys. You gave yourself a brand new quarterback. You gave cliff Kingsbury the guy you wanted. And then you gave him a ton of weapons in this draft. Andy Isabella ran a four three one fastest wide receiver. Akeem Butler is a a dynamic outside playmaker. Winners and losers from this draft. I think all the offense of players and cardinals fantasy fans and cardinals fans in general were winners. Yeah. I think David Johnson is a huge winner. Here. You're you've got you've got a new offense of mind coming in. And clearly the team said we want to get playmakers. We wanna get people they could bus things open keep chains moving. And while it's not going to be all roses this year. You know, I've got him down for a good five win. It will be no rose. It will be no Rosen's either. Who is you might say. Big loser in this situation. Basically they traded Josh Rosen franey Isabella, right? And they traded a second wolf fifth rounder next year a man, but I mean, this is good news for David Johnson. Things will open up for him. You know, we've we've talked about in the past rushing quarterback slots open things up for the running back. So I mean, David Johnson should be, you know, one of those top picks in in the beginning of the first how do you feel about? Christian Kirk Kristen had a in. Okay. Rookie season got hurt. Larry Joe Christian Kirk really the only two threats on that office before this draft. And then you bring in Isabela Butler Johnson is would you classify Christian Kirk is a loser of this draft or a winner because the Kyla Murray, selection and the offense you you'd have to call him a loser from the fact that like his so me I know fantasy wise in that's because the air raid system now has the the weapons that needs to actually succeed. It's not force feed these two guys because they're the only two capable wide receivers on the team. So I think you have to downgrade Christian Kirk at least what his ceiling could be because I both both Isabela in Keene Butler in at least in my breakdown, our alpha level players these are guys that could be number one's on their team. Keen Butler six five over to twenty. He's a he's a beast of a man and. And so you can't say that Kirk is for sure gonna be the number one guy. It's a brand new system. It's a brand new quarterback. So he's he's he's pretty much at the grand floor with the otherwise, I will say this. He he's a winner Anna loser. Because you're right. His ceiling Ziva was but his draft cost is going to be nothing. Now when whenever a team comes in and draughts three rookie wide receivers. You're not going to say, Chris Chris the one, but there's a good chance here. The Chris Kirk is is the one as the, you know, the only veteran under the age of thirty four on the wrong. Other similarities to like, how you view drawn a milestone last year with the three income and rookies in Green Bay, and how you might view Christie Kirk this year and the three rookies coming in and Arizona, I think it's a fair fair points. Because it's it's a little bit different where we hadn't. We haven't seen. We had our in carton together. Right. Well, you hadn't seen a lot. Bring college fromm Geronimo. So Kim coming into the situation felt like the rookies could easily overtake him even in he might pin. You took the job. So Kirk is a little bit more established is what I'm saying than Allison was in that scenario. All right before we move onto the Rams, I will say this. We kind of come at it from three Engels with Arizona. We have our own personal fandom just being born raised out here cardinal fans. My own personal fandom has not been a Josh Rosen fan. I wasn't happy that we drafted him. You've heard me talk about it on the show. Then you have the fantasy perspective right and fantasy wise. I wasn't a Josh Rosen fan. But as a person he impressed me through this situation. I people don't know this. I thought I'd mention it after the trade. He was sent to the dolphins after he was traded. He still stayed out here in Phoenix participated in the charity of infra Larry FitzGerald softball game in the in the fans out here gave Miranda applauses. He left posted a really kind of funny nice, respectful classy video, and he was not complaining through this whole thing. I hope he has success in Miami. I really do. He I think this could be one of those win win wins for Rosen where he doesn't have to come in new week one. Like, it's fits magic down there. In Miami's gotta plan. They're gonna trust the process in Rosa can spend a little bit more time. You don't think Rosen ends up week one starter? No. I do not you think. Jason. I think he will. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's move onto the Rams. There is one big story line to talk about with Los Angeles in their draft. Obviously, we're focusing often players Jason knows what it is. And that would be. The fact that the Los Angeles Rams traded up to pick up at the very beginning of the third round. At the top of the third rail. Good one of Mike, and is I think favorite running back in the draft. Daryl Henderson out of Memphis. And if you are a Todd Gurley owner is impossible not to call this a loss. A loser situation for Todd Gurley coming out of the draft. Obviously, Malcolm Brown big loser. If he was the perceived handcuff but Todd Gurley this is some high draft capital insurance for an MVP level running back. How do you feel being you know, you you have girly in our dynasty league? Jason. Yes. Please talk about that. Look, I feel negative about it. The reality is, you know, we just say fuck about you, don't you don't wanna follow coachspeak coach saying all the great things about getting really the ball. What you wanna follow his transactions? What is the team doing with their money with their capital with their draft picks? And what they chose to do was bring back the backup, Malcolm Brown, and then trade up for a third rounder and grab another running back because they are going to probably Batman and Robin. This let me let me set that table a little bit more for you. They brought back Malcolm Brown. They matched an offer. He went out and was desired by another team in the ramp said, no, we can't possibly lose. You. They traded up in the third round. This was only their second pick in the draft. So this it was their third pick. They are is really Twardy. Needs title. They had a big need. Apparently that was over running back. Yeah. Don't say big knee because that's different thing. Here's the thing. We just put up our dynasty rankings rookie rankings. It is very difficult. No matter what side of the fence, you're on with girlies. Hell it's super difficult to rank him in dynasty formats right now. Yes. Because you just don't know what's true. And what's false. I was staring down, you know. And maybe no more now or maybe they're just insuring themselves with a more dynamic player. It pass catcher in Henderson incase. Girly goes down. I was staring down girly and Joe mix and my dynasty rankings. Just going can I really move girly below mix. And I couldn't do it. But I know Andy you did do it. It was it was I think girlies at seven in my dynasty runningback rankings. And there is a difference. So fantasy owners here's here's the two scenarios that I see for Todd girl, you guys tell me if you agree scenario. One is Todd Gurley isn't bad. Back to full health and won't get back to full health, and we'll play a platoon role. The other situation is simply that toddler is. Now, a higher injury risk in general, but is back to full health will be the lead dog and they needed to invest in a running back because of the risk. I leaned that direction. The that he will be back. He will be back to who. He was but millions of dollars wallets of their owners. That's true. What's crazy about that for fantasy? And this. I'm talking redraft when you're sitting there pick number three and Todd Gurley is there, and you actually have hesitance about drafting him. And I I won't blame you at all. That's going to be a very difficult thing to call your shot say, Yep. Todd girlies fine. He's going to get all those Golan carries yet again, especially when they added Daryl Henderson, he's re people. Darrell Henderson is really really good pleased draft as late as you can. Redrafting if there was ever situation, you where you need more information for as long as you can this is it. Existing receiving core wasn't affected. They didn't take any white outs in this draft didn't need to know. They don't Cooper cop. Coming back. Robber was Brandin cooks. All right. Let's move onto the forty Niners. The forty Niners spent the first pick Nick Bosa and then went wide receiver wide receiver in the second and third rounds top of each round on deebo Samuel and then. Yeah. Deebo Samuel Jalen Hurd. Those are two really good wide receivers. And yeah, I go ahead. Keep in mind deebo Samuel was the third wide receiver taken in the draft. They could've they had their pick of just about anyone out there. And they saw what a lot of people say C, which is debate does evoke great player. I mean, that's more draft capital spent here than what they spent on Dante Pettis. So the the question is is negative for Dante Pettus is negative from Archies Goodwin. Certainly Markey's Goodwin agreed has gone from fringe relevance to probably irrelevance at this point. Deebo Samuel is a good wind out. We neglected him in our rookie show. He was in our show, doc, we just time it time. We ended up. I think talking about Isabel at the end and talk about deebo lot of people projected depot to go well below guys like de que Metcalf. The went way after him. But I know he's he's a favorite of many Jalen Hurd is much. He played in the slot ton in college. He also played running back only played one year wide receiver. There's a there's some opinion that I've read about heard being used in a kind of Cordeiro Patterson type of role in this offense, so kick returner one. No, no. I mean gadget player. I mean. We're it's just funny. When I hear people use that conflict. Well, it may not work out. Very well for cordray will not I'm not talking early career Cordeiro are I'm talking about last year with the patriots where he had the opportunity to take hand-offs to take little this. And that so. I believe that Dante Petters elite talent, and there's always a balance between putting more talent on a team and taking away from Pettus. I think it comes down to what is the confidence level that Jimmy Garoppolo and the team hasn't Dante Pettus. And if you believe let's let's subsitute, right? Like, if I don't know the giants when they had Dell had drafted deebo Samuel, Jalen Hurd, you wouldn't think twice about no not at all. Because a great talent demands. Great targets the this. It's very similar to. Excuse me, it Tricia Kirk. I mean, Chris Kirk was the second round pick last year showed enough on to the team on film. Like this is a good player. He's going to be able to do things. He's interesting fantasy. And then the team just came in and replenished the the war chest with wide receiver. So and I saw that as it's a negative for Christian Kirk this team to me, this is a negative to Dante Pettus the team could be better. But you for me, I'm moving down a couple of minutes not to say that can't succeed. I think he has to succeed. I think he will succeed, but the opportunity he has now is more difficult. But then he'll he'll be the one. He would have been the one before the drafting is the one after the draft. That's the only part to me that I'm if he's on the field the same. You have some town more talent around him. But he didn't he's not losing his wide receiver one spot. I think the big the biggest winner in the whole situation Jimmy Garoppolo Jimmy gras because. Yes. Sammy Jalen her? Yeah. That's where we need to focus or good players. And maybe it doesn't happen year one and in their rookie year, but you know, future wise, I think Jimmy Garoppolo has some great weapons Kyle Shanahan there. I I really like San Francisco did as far as you know, you get the elite pass and then you focus on your offense. Would you move Jimmy geo based on this draft? Because if there's one thing that we haven't had any clarity on. And maybe that's starting to drip over into wide receivers. We don't know of its memory jerk. Mckinnon or Tevin Coleman shirt, we might not know of his deebo. Samuel Dante Pettis Jalen her marquees Goodwin or George Kittle. But we know it's. Dynasty, all move him up. But short term. I mean, these are still rookies. So I'm not gonna go crazy for the handsome one before we move off the team, though, we got you know, how old that punter is Mitch was now skied. No, I I am not aware of the punter selected four three fourth row selection. Always in Utah. Oh, no. He went on his mission. He's probably twenty. He's twenty seven years old. And he got drafted Mitch. You're my hero for telling me we can go back can we enter Brooks twenty seven was a bit ago. Now, look I can put up I can punt the ball at least fifteen yards. Jason was our punter on our flag team as I was is it third. He got up to thirty yards. With a forward. Roll nice for some shakes. Thanks more six Jason more. I don't give a catchable ball. All right. Let's talk about this is. Let's talk about the Seattle Seahawks winners and losers from this draft main their weight room, the big winter, decay Metcalf, and Gary Jennings junior to white outs drafted in the third or sorry. The very end of the second round for Metcalf and the middle of the fourth round for Gary Jennings out of West Virginia. They also drafted a running back. Did they not in the six round? But who who are the winners and losers on the Seahawks? I mean word I think we do disagree about this the way that we were seeing the rookie drafts. Go I think Metcalf was loser. As far as rookie selections going to low volume passing team. They there are run first team Schottenheimer. We've we've covered this ad nauseam. I think it was a not the best landing spot for what Metcalf could have become an what everyone wanted to what what? The draft Twitter wanted him to become. Yeah. We're going to disagree their dog because I think while he dropped, and that's not good for your your capital. I can't imagine. It's Randy over here. I can't imagine a much better landing spot because Deka Metcalf. I don't I don't see him being one hundred reception type player if he if he pans out, you know, one of those guys it's getting one hundred fifty sixty targets. He he's not a possession guy. He's a deep threat. An amazing talent what he can do. And so, you know, that's where I think you've got a player who's matching up perfect with Russell Wilson. You saw how valuable on low target volume. Tyler Boyd was if you're running around buying time. I can't imagine a better target to throw it over the mountains to than than decay Metcalf. So touchdown lies. I think that's where decays fancy values gonna come. And I think he matched up well to go to team more. Might be losing Doug Baldwin. I don't have the same opinion of Metcalf as I would have if this Baldwin news income out. I think I think it matters. Punt and you have a situation here with with Hollywood Brown with AJ Brown with decay mccafe's where low pass offenses drafted some of the best talent. Yeah. At the wide receiver position. So you would you take decay Metcalf over a J Brown? I would would you take Metcalf over Markey's Brown? I would so in that situation with what's going on with with Russell Wilson. I think you have opportunity I think it obviously helps Russell Wilson to have been given a couple more weapons. But you're right. There were probably there were other homes that he could onto that would've made you happier. We just say, I don't know. We haven't really discussed this. But I feel like as a whole not for every player out there. But if you just take the masses of the rookies that were drafted this draft really sucked for them. Yes. Like. All the players that I thought had a real chance break they went to just piss poor situations where it's like that's really not where I want him going and everybody I didn't like was like, oh, no. That's a really good spot. Yeah. Look at you. David montgomery. Yeah. It'll be very interesting because you know, like, I don't know if there's as much excitement around rookie dress. I mean, we did two of them today into a remainder leagues. We started them. There's a sense that there are couple of names to kill Harry and Josh Jacobs that you're kind of sure about what's going on. But then there's this muddied middle where you know, guys will emerge, but there's just not a lot to go on. Yeah. I have Kyla Murray rings very high in my for rookie drafts in generally speaking that does not happen with with a quarterback because guys are just in such bad situations. All right. It's time to move onto the NFC east. Brooks your Cowboys. Cowboys didn't do a lot on the office of side of the ball at all a couple of handcuffs. Tony Pollard at a Memphis running back and seventh-round running back as well. What's funny is gonna be the winners are are Michael Galvin Randall Cobb because you have invested third fourth fifth round pick on a wide receiver to compete on the outside with Amari Cooper Gallup in Cobb didn't do it. So like for instance, if this is if if the Cowboys drafted Andy Isabella Raina com is is looking troubled. So. I was gonna say what's funny is I like, Mike Weber more. The like their seventh round running back more than Tony Pollard. Like that'll be very interesting to see who actually ends up as Ezekiel's direct. Hang rectal handcuffing, his backup. I mean draft capital says that things are very very against Weber from Ohio State. But that's that's who I think it is right now and Pollard. He's everything I've seen about him is he's actually kick return. He's gonna immediately be are starting kick returner. It seems like that's what they drafted him for. Yeah. I mean, you know, the handcuff I'm not worried in redraft league. No. But we're talking rookie drafts. Like that's important for for you to have if you have Zeke in the way that the Cowboys around rookie pick. Yeah. You just get you'd wanna be targeting the I would. And would you go so far as to say, you believe Weber will be that guy? Right. I do think he will be. All right. The New York Giants the football giants. The Daniel Jones giants look. Hey. There was den teams that wanted Daniel Joe, it's me Dave look Daniel head. Did you have to see the meaning three years me? Dave. Yeah. That was great to Dave got him in talking about the fact that they could take the model of him sitting three years. Do they know how old the manning is? Here's the funny thing is somebody said, the Daniel Jones looks exactly like such a good tweets actually, like a person cast to play lamenting in a movie. Yes. It's so good. And so Dana Jones goes number six. I don't blame. I get them. Get a lot of crap. Yeah. But if that's actually the guy that you want, and you think it's your franchise trade down. No. Because somebody could I mean, look if you act deemed if you actually believe it you have to take that guy. I don't I don't blame him for that. I blame for scouting. I don't agree that he's the guy. Well, but he's also a relevant. I think he plays the second half of this year. I do because we'll be winless at that point. Right. Exactly. But for fantasy purposes he's Brooks put in Daniel Jones's agent as a winner from the draft sterling shepherd is a winner from the drag. Yeah, you know, you had how many picks in this draft three first rounders to fifth rounders, and you didn't invest in a wide receiver until the fifth. Frown Shepard got paid. And now he didn't get. The supplanted by any of that top in talent. You could argue the same for Evan Ingram. You know, the the fact that the splits with everything room with and without Oto Beckham have been really good for him. My my worry here Tate. Actually, I do think that Daniel Jones gets on the field. So I'm not I'm not I'm not ever worried too much about second half the season. When I'm in a redraft. I'm looking much more how we're gonna get out of the gate, but if Daniel Jones comes in it's it's to me for sure bad for all pass catcher. So I don't see this is a pure win for sterling shepherd and Evan Ingraham. If it turns out that their team is worse. And then they get a rookie quarterback midway through the season. Now Brooks if you if you were playing ally like you plan this year as your dynasty starter. He's a loser in this draft as well. Okay. Dang it. Yeah. All right. So excited to play them. I'm excited. Talk about the Philadelphia Eagles because despite having only five picks in this draft. There's a lot of fantasy implication, just second round mile Sanders. Penn State running back one of the highest recruited running backs as he headed independence day was the backup saquon. Mile Sanders in the second round says we're not going to rest on the Jordan Howard, fifth round exchange were looking for a three down guy for multiple years mile Sanders. And then in the later of what four picks later, they traded up for JJ or Sega Whiteside, sir. Wide receiver out of Stanford. Makes Carson Winston winner to me you get you Hartson wins a couple of weapons. Mile Sanders lanes in pretty good home. I mean, look the first pick you take a one of the best pass blocking offense of taxes in the draft. The second pick you draft a running back that can catch passes at Penn State. The third pick you draft Sega Genesis. And you got another great weapon who's kind of canal, Sean Jeffrey comp in the jump ball. Touchdown tight type of player. And so I think Carson Wentz is a is a huge winner in this draft out. That was when I was watching the draft every pick. I just kept thinking, man. That's that's good for wins. Oh, that's good for once. Yeah. I don't disagree. Jordan Howard was a loser for fantasy owners that you bought into him being traded to Philly the way I would break down right now is and I'm I one of my nice Elise. Jordan Howard, owner drafted mile Sanders with the third pick in the rookie draft today. And I know in my heart that this. This is gonna suck because mile Sanders. I think we'll see a lot of work. And I think Jordan Howard will steal a lot of touchdowns. And I think I'm gonna be displeased. Now, it's very possible. Jordan Howard, m is he in the final year of his deal. Yes. So this is a rent. That's a situation where this is why I rank mile Sanders ahead of David Montgomery, which I know you guys are the opposite. But I one of the reasons is I feel like the Philly offense. Doug Peterson Carson Wentz starting next year's mile Sanders. Mile Sanders could have earned himself very strong three down role. Do you disagree with that possibility? I disagree with the possibility of three down in the sense that they're such a committee, and they're so committed to not using one single back. But I think they could work themselves down to being to backs, and, you know, this is more than Dighton in my view of and you knew this before the draft and before they got Jordan Howard how much they wanted to upgrade their running. Position they were not happy with the Corey Clement window Smallwood Josh Adams, trifecta of guys off the street. They said we've got you know, they didn't trade much for Jordan Howard, who's a quality running back. And then they use the capital that they had to grab another quality running back. I I think the offense is better. But I think it's gonna be a to me and show to there'd be an upgrade though. Yes. The problem with the eagles has been three four guys at the same time. Yeah. I think that's why they invested in Sanders specifically because he has a more diverse skillset than other guys that they've had slotted in. And like you said last year was tough to watch Clement never did it. Josh Adams, flashed me little bits here. And there let's talk about the Redskins. The Redskins grabbed Dwayne Haskins at fifteen the grab a wide receiver. Mclaren at the twelfth pick of the third round. Another running back Bryce love in the fourth round who they expect to be backed by middle of training camp. Bryce love bracelet. Probably. Have gone gone a year ago. Second rails Eck in bro. Yeah. You heard himself staying at school. Well, grade school kids, you're hurting yourself. Yeah. Exactly. This is. Interesting to me that they have dairy guys who they I mean, they invested very very highly Darius guys, and I know he got hurt. But your plan is okay. Let's let's make sure we have insurance for our hurt guy with the Hertz value value. The reality is the insurance for near his guys Adrian Peterson the insurance for critter Thompson, the injured guy was the injured guy. So they've got three injured guys. Eighty three inch Guidi guys equal one healthy. Right. Ski- smart move. You just voltron. Here's the truth though. This is not to me, you try to read the tea leaves here. Fourth-round early fourth round pick on Bryce love. It just goes to reinforce the the the news the percolating. Rumors of dairies Geis's, very slow development back from injury. Only a few days ago. You got another report that he is moving slowly through this. This is why what if they done. Here's their confidence level in various guises return for fantasy owners let's pay Adrian Peterson. Let's draft Bryce love in the fourth round. That's all we have. So I would not be enthusiastic for this offense one that is currently led by some either Haskins or keenum or Cole McCoy with three different running backs with a myriad of kind of wide receivers. We don't know who's gonna emerge. This offense is going to struggle. That is my concern. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not I'm not happy. Who's the the losers? Washington Redskins for for the immediate future. Tosh Johnston over the long run. You know, if doing Haskins pans out. Out if you know, he's the guy and Geiss gets healthy and Bryce love gets healthy. And you could have something down the line. I didn't love what they did at wide receiver. They needed help drafted one. But not now your favorite not in my top fifteen. Who starts week one for Washington. Quarterback keenum punter, Mike. I don't know maybe maybe running back. There's a lot of questions for any ball team who starts quarterback Haskins. Who did you say J? I said keenum break tie good McCoy, Dwayne Haskins joined Haskins playing for his life gruden's plan for his life. Yes. All right. The bears the bears only at five picks in this draft. But we got to talk about here, boys. David montgomery. None of us were huge Montgomery fans. I am now. Third round. I've said this so many times before I will take opportunity over talent one hundred out of one hundred times. And that's not say, David, Montgomery isn't talented. But just right before the draft. I talked about I don't see what a lot of other people. See, I know he's well rounded it can do a little bit of everything a lot of had in my notes that if a team were to invest heavily in him. I think he would be great. And I don't think team's going to do that team did that because similar what you bringing up with you know, other teams trading up, and they didn't have. Their first pick though, the bears were they had interview. After interview after interview with all the running next multiple interviews with the same guys, they clearly were showing their hands at they were looking at a running back except they didn't have enough picks. Like, they didn't have they had. So few picks in the draft that I did not think they were going to be able to do it. And then they used extra to trade up to get David Montgomery who has then been given the Kareem hunt comp by Nagy who used cream hunt as a well rounded back, and I think I think Montgomery comes in right off the bat with two hundred and fifty touches. And is the main it doesn't matter what we think about them before if Matt Nagy thinks, he's everything exactly. And that's. Yeah. No. He has a great opportunity in Chicago. You know, they jettison. Jordan Howard, wasn't a fit David Montgomery. They feel like is a fit current regime. Mike Davis that was phone. The big loser. Malcolm Brown, those of your offseason losers. Those those guys on that fringe, right? Chris Warren member when we talked about Kris Warren in Oakland. I tried to forget about it one. Isaiah Crowell and one Josh Jacobs later and Chris Warren, don't even just drop. Yeah. Well, if you're in a super deep dynasty league, also drop it. You know, what I'm gonna do? Oh, you you've got him on your team. I'm gonna drop them on air. Oh, guess lot. Warren debt is a rage drop because you can't even pick an right? That's right. I'm gonna take care of that. Ok picking up Chris Morin. Go ahead. But no, that's the reality of the draft. If you if you are investing in a low, I mean, this white wideouts to, you know, Jake Coomer, oh, all the dynasty rage. But if Green Bay drafted three or four White House that you wouldn't have drive capital matters. That's why it was incredibly sad to see two of my lower to your back that I liked I knew it was I knew it was tougher for them. But Alex Barnes and air booby Williams were both undrafted. I just bro. I do want to confirm that. I just verified he did. In fact, drop Chris Warren, he has been dropped. I have cannot leave Kaga that asking the question that maybe should have kind of been part of the Gumri discussion to begin with. Toroc right. What happens to Cohen because Cohen had this seemingly big opportunity. Jason you just said David Montgomery has two hundred fifty touches those do not compute. I think I think they I think they can't compute. I mean, I I actually started them out already. And if you look Tariq is not a guy who gets a ton of carries. And so he's the guy that's going to be getting you know, a hundred hundred and fifty carries and then used in the passing game. I think he'll be about what he was last year which was serviceable at times disappointing at times. But I do think David Montgomery will be the predominant guy in the timeshare. Yeah. I agree code will be okay. But. Montgomery is gonna be great. All right. Let's talk about the Detroit Lions use their first round pick. Right. Where I thought they would TJ hockey. And by the way, we didn't even update that note. Nothing nothing to look yet. He see here. I actually won are our rookie predictions. I have four correct. You guys had to each. So if you add your scores up together you tied me. Yeah. That was only on the back of Dave Gettleman. I hope you're happy with yourself. It's me if Dave Gettleman had drafted Josh Allen, clearly who should have drafted a number six, then TJ hawks would have gone to the Jags at seven where I am going. But then they're like sin. Allen's here sim butts Candian. So we're tied at three and three in my world. Right. Yeah. Your world is always very Jason favored. Yes. It is teaching hawk consent to Detroit o. It was breaking news about that. He's expected to be the started week one. Yeah. He is the number of NFL draft expected to be used right off the bat. You know, even that needs tighthead. That's good. He good blocker. And such a good pass catcher who will be an immediate weapon on an offense that needs them. He will also be an an asset to carry on Johnson. Who I think is another winner in this graph? It's a great blocking tight end. And didn't have another running back drafted the year of carry on get ready. Wow. A year prepare yourselves. Okay. All right Perry on about my guys. Don't you do? Oh, dude. It's Andy's guide. I heard it even Brooks. I would look Jesse James who was an offseason pickup. That's he's a big loser. In detroit. Otherwise, you know, you could make the argument that they didn't do a lot else to to address the passing game. Bohol concern is a big one and from a dynasty perspective. I think he's a very valuable. He's tied in dynasty. He's already talked to twenty. Yeah. I I have like eight or nine. Yeah. You you could argue Marvin Jones is a winner here because getting out there on on used early capital on one of these water Cevers he could start looking like he's being shown the door. All right. Let's get to Green Bay Green Bay. Well, not a lot to look at. They did spend a third round pick. They were one of the teams rumored to need a tight end. Maybe in the know Olea sweepstakes needed one last year. And they got Mary Steenburgen is who it was. Hand that Jay Stein doing that to jas. Tell him Steiner is Steinbrenner member the owner of the third round pick out jas stern burger, do we think that he will have some relevance running back. Dexter williams. Also drafted in the six round stern burger will not this year. But I think Sternberg is a good player, and he'll be Toby serviceable. Yeah. Once they realized that Jimmy Graham, just let him off to pasture. I think they realize that I think that's why they were. So I mean between Hogson and Fant they most mock dress had them taking tight end because they completely realized they realized that I mean, they Jimmy Graham is not the answer at tight in. And they need an answer. You're right to point out that you know, it's going to take a couple years for stern burger he's not he's not gonna come in rookie or Donald burger. And so yeah. But in a dynasty league, whatever I think, you know, he'll be in the third row. Round, you know, a late guy that I think you could hold onto stash for couple years starnberger will start next year. Jimmy Graham will be going. I can only hope for the what a burger nickname. I want that in their how what a what a catch. What a burger come on. Okay. What? It's there. We'll work through. Yeah. We've got time. We gotta wait until he claimed broil. Yeah. Yes. To earn. It like Disney did. Oh, goodness. Big montana. He came out of nowhere got himself nickname. That's all I'm saying. All right. If your name is Ron Wilson Marquez Valdez scaling echinacea Brown. They didn't go get another big wide receiver. I was surprised the robber -tunities for Green Bay to do that. And they didn't. And the reason they did not do that is because they're fine there. I mean, they they've got a good up and coming core of wide receivers. I think that the the biggest winner to me of those up and coming players is going to be drama, Alison, I leave. He's very talented. He's got a great report there in Rogers Aaron Rodgers loves them. He was off to hot start in the beginning of last year with him until the injury. They didn't go out and replace any of the wide receivers. So all of them all of them are big winners in this year's draft because they get another year with Rogers to step into the offense. But I think Allison's guy I'm most excited about I the Minnesota Vikings sound the alarms. Colorado's time may become into a close. It irv. Smith junior second round tight end draft at I Alabama by the Vikings. That's kind of the headline there. There was they did draft. Alexander Alexander, Madison. This is in this is legit he handcuffed for cook. This this is something you need to pay attention to if I have Dalvand cook who is thus far showed himself very prone to getting hurt. Alex Alexander Madison would be a primary target for me. I would expect you don't have to pay a huge price for him. But back in the second round, you're gonna wanna think about it. He's he's from Boise state. I really liked them. I really really liked Madison. He won me over by the end because he can do everything. And I think that he's one of those just super tough dudes who if given the if Delvin cook went down, Alex, everyone would freak out for Alexander, Madison. So just make sure. Sure, you're prepared. I would I would throw out that he could he could have relevance. He's not just strictly hand Latinas Murray had relevance there. Even when Delvin cook was there. So he you know, if they timeshare at all or use him, you know around the goal line. I don't expect them. I don't expect him to be a star certainly not with cook. But he could be relevant. He's one of those guys you could draft as a handcuff because he could be an option in your flex later. But I think the big winner here in Minnesota's clearly Kirk cousins you spend your first four picks on offense. You get a center you get a guard. And you get a tight end protecting the line and the tight end in Smith is a great downfield weapon. If he gets spend all that money on those wideouts better have a quarterback that's upright to throat to them Atlanta. Let's talk about Atlanta. They interesting draft. Matt Ryan looks like a winner for the same reason. Kirk cousins is guard tackle I two picks in the first round in the first round. Yeah. You could also say devante Freeman winner. No high investment on another running back. You got ITO Smith and devante Freeman. It will be it will be Freeman ITO Smith. And these are some good lime in in my opinion that they drafted this is a huge huge sign of confidence in. Devante Freeman by the Atlanta Falcons. So I I'm not necessarily gonna move Freeman up. But just solidifies take it breath solidifies the offseason feelings of that the team is already fully invested him. They don't need to move L move on. And they're not I ring Quadri Alison running back taking he gives me a little bit of pause from calling Ito's Smith a winner because he could come in and like ITO Smith. I mean, make no mistake. He could be okay. But he sucked. He was terrible last year. He was very big this point for the falcons that go out and draft the running back. I mean, you need it to for depth. But my point is believe he can come in and just win that job and be the backup. So I. I don't see this as a huge win for ITO. But definitely devante Freeman. And Matt Ryan, I mean, I know we've had some arguments over where Matt Ryan should finish. But so far the last couple of weeks have gone really well for him with the schedule coming out the domes that he's playing in. Now, the offensive line two first rounders on the offensive line, which was very necessary. Those things are just good for the whole offense. The Carolina Panthers winners and losers to me. The big winners on this roster DJ Morin, courtesy mule, courtesy emails probably the biggest winner of the mall because he has an opportunity to stay at the wide receiver to position. And he is a very explosive player in limited touches, courtesy him fantasy relevance last year. I think he may be one of those sleeper type of guys it ends up in our ultimate draft yet. Because. Someone has to catch the ball. They're Devin funchess is gone and can't just be Christian McCaffrey. And if you just DJ more you'd better move him up rankings because more Samuel McCaffrey that's going to be their offense. No, I I agree completely Samuel is a great sleeper option. I would if you're out there. Go try trait from in six I think a lot of people even the have Samuel don't realize how good he was last year, which was essentially his rookie year, if he becomes the one I wouldn't wouldn't expect that, but I certainly would not be surprised if he becomes a primary target as opposed EJ more last season. He had five touchdowns five hundred dollars saving on forty receptions, and has a an opportunity to level up and hold courtesy Mulas twelve. Is twenty two years old possible DJ Morris twenty two years old? So they've got to was it August the DJ Moore's older now he's not here to San moulder by half year. But I mean, you've got to super young studs in. If if. You know, if Cam Newton comes back with a with a shoulder in place, then there's an opportunity there. He is. He can turn turns Mets they aren't grabbed just undrafted. Real quick Elisa Holyfield from Georgia who is the son of Vander Holyfield is a son or is he I think he was like nephew or something. No, look, oh is it. Oh, is it? Okay. I did not realize who son must be a good punter. Your fish yourself, man. Just be a running back news. Got a good stuff. Are there? Actually did watch. No, no, Joe when when I was watching him I was watching for that. And he does he like punches with. I'm not even joking. He liked punches his stiff arm out, and I'd like this legal. No toke. It is for him. Yeah. All right. The New Orleans Saints New Orleans Saints only had five picks in this draft five. They did invest in a center they had to yes, they had to price retirement. So they did grab a center and Eric McCoy I would say the existing wide receiver core the people there they're winners. I don't know if do breezes a winner in this draft because I felt like they needed some help at the wide receiver position outside of Michael Thomas. You're gonna have to see I mean trick on Smith their counting on try taking a Ted Ginn. Yeah. He's still there. All right. Tampa Bay moving onto Tampa Bay. This was an interesting draft because it was entirely on defense, which has a lot of big winners. Fantasy a lot the fact that they did not at a bunch of wide receivers or quality running backs to this team says that guys like Chris Godwin huge winner here. They're saying we believe in you. Justin Watson you guys can get the job done yet. Another sleeper candidate Justin wants vacated a lot of targets with Humphries leaving with Sean Jackson leaving. And then look I know I've never been a fan of Ronald Jones, but they believe Ronald Jones payment Barbara can get the job done. Now. I'm gonna think it's Peyton barber. But the opportunity for Ronald Jones to step up is certainly there. Now, it is also important to note they drafted yet another place kicker. So the Aguayo days are over man, but they did spend a fifth round pick on Matt gave out of Utah. So these kickers if you go to Utah, and your kicker supplies to old is this guy thirty five you know, that this thing if he's twenty seven to twenty seven year old kickers. Drafted. I didn't know about this. When I was young. Extra five years refined your skills before you have to graduate, no age, given no problem Ford in his forty forty five. Okay. Yes. Still for rookie. I just talked about courtesy mule going into your threes. Twenty two years old winners and losers us actually market price. That's is a okay we talked about it wants Godwin Ronald Jones pain barber as well. Yes. And that does it for the NFC guys anybody. I'm forgetting anything you want to mention before we move on linen. For nets. Big winner. We haven't gone into that on Thursday. We will also announce the winners. We will announce the winners of our big giveaway the ultimate draft kit dot com giveaway. We had a preorder special. We were doing and we have the names of the winners will be announced on Thursday. So hang tight. You might see those on social media might hear your name pity. Somebody one good somebody one. That's that's how giveaways work. So we'll go ahead and jump into the deal the day. Come on. Now, Dante Pettis sign jersey pristine auction dot com. Thirty six dollars eighty five cents a sign forty-nine jersey, Dante Pettis. That's unbelievable. I mean that is truly like this seems chicken the when we talk about Dante Pettis sometimes because I am an owner in dynasty of Dante Pettis as I am an owner of Dante bettas in dynasty. Because of watching Dante Pettis play football us, your then I went out and got him. It is not my my bullish nature on Pettus isn't on the basis of hope. He's good. It's heath. He's really good. And then you go get him. 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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins travel west to take on red-hot Cardinals

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins travel west to take on red-hot Cardinals

"Every wednesday on fish drive. Join me. Eric goes for full report. On the miami marlins singly affiliate the clinton lumber kings on eight ball with eric owes we sit down each week with the different prospect. That is part of the violence rebuild and discussed the development of players trends and performances of miami's midwest league affiliate listen to abe law with eric goes every wednesday on fish rights law. Everyone and welcome to another episode of finsider radio aka. The jagan josh. show. I'm your host josh house. You can follow me on twitter at house h. o. u. t. and before i'm joined by my co host. Jake mendel you can follow him on. Twitter at j mendel ninety four that is at j. m. e. n. d. e. l. Ninety four before we dive into this busy week of dolphins news. I have to remind you. Listen to pod beans stitcher spotify apple. Wherever you listen to podcasts. Please smashed subscribe button. Leave us a review. If you both those things take a picture. Send it to other jay on twitter and you will be eligible to win a solomon kinley jersey. So with all of that said. Let's dive into our preview episode of the arizona cardinals. You heard from josh. Let's hear from jake jake. How're you doing today man. i'm good. I'm goodness friday. The workweeks just about over except for us a lucky guys who are lucky people. I should say who get to work on saturdays. And josh look like we're going to kind of get through while i mean we're only six weeks but start weave through the season without having to deal with the miami dolphins trying to fight off the pandemic but it seems like that is going to be the case. It was reported earlier today of course today being friday morning. That miami dolphins assistant coach tested positive for covid nineteen who immediately quarantined himself and is in the nfl protocol. The the dolphins have said they're continue to follow guidelines which includes contact tracing work with nfl The team doctors and the staff Forest said i think was even just a few minutes ago to twenty. Yeah on friday that the team still did plan to file tears zone today and that for is also added. We wouldn't fly if we thought there'd be any situation where we thought there would be an outbreak if we do fly because we feel we have contained it. That's pretty much. How feeling right now josh. In a year in in what's going to was my second year of uncertainty regarding the covid nineteen pandemic. It seems like the dolphins. I would say their locker out but but they're now involved in that uncertainty especially in some for sunday's game they are and i think it's telling him we're gonna find out a little bit here. If the dolphins do travel west than you would think all systems are go. It sounds like they're doing everything by the book Devante parker mentioned the players weren't even in the facilities today so they're taking this one hundred percent taken full caution a quote from omar killer that came from From from six. I think we all knew something eventually going to happen at some point. We knew it wasn't going to be a perfect season. I think the league has done a good job with their protocols and keeping the health of everyone at the top of their list again. Those from my jesse so You know it does suck. But i think we all kinda solace in this you know a bumpy twenty twenty season and again like you said with the weather changing. No flu season coming back. We didn't know how this was going to happen ahead. Dolphins assistant coach. We will see if they fly but as of now all systems are go for the four twenty five pm eastern start against arizona cardinals and i mean this is a very good football team. I mean we may as well just dive right into it. I mean there's a lot to talk about. We have injury news here Biggest thing is my house gas and we know he's gonna be out a few weeks he was placed on. I r with injury. A lot of us you know. We've been talking about map to for the entire podcast year. You know we want to see him. Get more touches. Unfortunately i don't think he you know i don't know if he was part of that walks through our against an injury portal Later today but We thought he was going to be the guy that takes over. It sounds like it might finally be jordan howard season and now i wanna get your thoughts on that because he joked about. We joked about it. A couple of podcasts. Go and i mean. I think we've pretty damn good all season long. I mean again. I don't want to. We've been pretty awesome and this goes back to that book club that we started a man. Tell me how you're feeling because it is. George eight could very well be jordan howard season. And you've been calling for that for for quite some time. It's it's been kind of a strange situation for the miami dolphins at running back. I think every other position at least for the most part has played out pretty much how we expected it whether it's Byron jones exhibit howard. Being the one or two a quarterback shaq lawson emmanuel ogbah solidified himself on the defensive end. But they're running back situation display. How everybody in the preseason or lack thereof and even before then jordan howard napb brita where the one a and one b until that game against new england. When we're all kind of stick our heads out the window wondering what what is happening here. You know it was myles. Gaskin getting all the carries but now for just the way the tables have turned out. I mean i kind of joked about it. And i didn't think this was going to be the way it would happen but i mean you hear all the time that in the national football league injuries provide opportunities and i know that's really how you don't wanna look at things. I mean just to kind of keep things in perspective. The brita injuries considered minor. I don't see this lasting more than just the week myles gaskin shirley be out a few weeks. But i mean. There's a good chance that jordan howard. If he plays like the way you know he is certainly capable of the guy who was certainly been a consistent threat for both philadelphia. And i'm blanking the bears. yes the bay chicago bears. I mean if you plays like that. All of a sudden the consistency of the miami dolphins offense especially with a rookie quarterback under center or you know three feet behind center in today's nfl up. I mean that is such a great tool to have. And you know it's easier said than done matt brita Jordan how it has not looked good but you know it seems like that To two year ten million dollar contracts going to get another opportunity to look like it might be worth something and you know. It's funny that. I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago. But but you posted that picture of jordan howard saying next the two and it seemed like especially in a running back room. I mean everybody's gonna get touches at some point. I'm not going to sit here. And say that everyone as someone who picked up jordan howard in every league and i'm up before supply them with you know The bi weeks for philadelphia and cincinnati. Things like that. But i mean i'm not coming out of your state is going gonna be great. I think patrick laird could be involved. I could see patrick laird. Being the guy who gets two catches for eight yards and two maybe the receiver version of what jordan howard stats have looked like on the season. Where he's what nine for fourteen yards and three touchdowns or something ridiculous like that. But there's an opportunity here. And just because jordan howard your third rhinebeck and just because the dolphins down to running backs. It doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be a bad player Side i'm not gonna say he's going to be a good player but i very interested in seeing opportunity and seeing letting him get the opportunity. I'm mean he's opportunity squared. I guess to get some carries to. Hey you got something one plate. We're going to give it to you. Four more times in the next eight or eight plays seven. Plays something like that and lets you do. Can you break one. Because that's been the biggest weakness on this miami dolphins Offense specifically in the running back unit is they don't have any big plays. I mean myles. Gaskin is struggled. He is a very consistent player. We know what he is capable of a man. I think he might have one of the few long places the season for the miami dolphins at twenty two yards on a screen pass. Obviously i think that's changing the last of weeks but that certainly six at my head but there is an opportunity here. I mean this is a chance jordan howard to prove like. Hey i'm a veteran. I deserve this contract. I'm ready to show that. I'm not going to come off the field again. I think one thing that we've seen with the miami dolphins. What every position is they allow those players to go out there and if they make the most of their opportunities they give them more of those and that's why we've seen so much myles gaskin. I mean they brought jordan howard here you know. They passed on a melvin gordon. They pass on a toddler. They they went after jordan. Howard for a reason so you you know. I been hard on jordan howard. I may joke so you know. I posted a scooby doo medium. That you know he's reveal and who's underneath the hood and there it is it's jordan it's actually kalem balaj hard on but how many opportunities did you get other than week. One to be completely honest with the goal line opportunities and at that point. Sorry excuse me once. Join houge checks into the game you pretty much know. It's run in the defense as preparing like that. So we'll we'll see what he can do. He's going to get those opportunities. A myles gaskin teammate. In college salvant. Amata guy that the dolphins brought in it looks like he's always i. I pronounce right. He's looks like he's going to get some carries. And you also mentioned. Patrick laird and you know. The dolphins and a young quarterback like to a lot of that offense is going to rely on that success of that run game. And you know we'll talk about how they're going to match up their zone here but a lot of that run games gonna come down to how that offense. It's a lime plays and it does sound like the dolphins are going to get you know austin jackson back this week I have the perry jackson. Tweet up here He said barry jackson yet. You posted barry boehm a person who has been a dolphins practice at austin. Jackson looks physically ready to return sunday and get at least some plain time. We'll see if the team goes ahead with that. Move if they do likely Would cause lots of owen shuffling. So we'll see how it shapes up. I mean ultimately dolphins plans. Obviously austin jackson robert hunt salman kindling out there. I mean those those young guys. There's a reason they drafted him. But can you really move. Jesse davis out of the lineup. With the way he's playing. I don't know you can We do god remember early on. You know big. Bob hunt him out there and some brought in extra offensive linemen brought in a lot more that meet up front. Is that not the perfect. Way to kind of trickle austin jackson into the lineup. See if he's really ready to go and again contain some of that Arizona pass rush But but yeah. I think the dolphins out there they're going to have to success in l. Takes like you said. Is that one play jordan howard until you know that. Rpo and two of you know makes defender kinda look up. Or you know buckle his foot and you know next thing breaking off a big game like we've seen in due time and time again. I mean this guy has had a successful career just because he hasn't with the dolphins doesn't mean he can't he's going to get the opportunity you know it's time for him to show why he did that contract from the dolphins made you just read my tweet today you because i was Something i was going to kinda lean on where When when they said some capacity that screams the big bob front row from earlier in the season. Where the dolphins did you six offensive linemen quite a bit. And hey if you want to the offensive linemen i think jordan howard the guy you want to have behind that unit and that just kinda makes a lot of sense to me and you know just something i do want to bring up and i meant to talk about it earlier in the week on our previous show is i mean i'm not doubting any of the picks not gonna come out here and say pick was good at pickups bad. I mean. i know people have already done that. And that's a little bill bananas to me. And i'm a big big by both fan. But i mean when we're talking about this running back room and i don't even have to tell you this. I'm preaching to the choir but i mean. Jj dom looked awesome last week with those fifteen touches for one hundred thirteen yards against the very good steelers defense in the elements. I mean wild watching that game. All i could think about is man you know you had howard kinda struggled at the beginning. You still give him more chances because he's an older guy but then you have. Jk dobbins come in with tour and just the on fire. I thought that would have been the coolest thing ever. But obviously there's a trickle down effect of while robert would it be playing right. Tackle would have been there yada yada yada. But what did you see. Jk dobbins and we're on this because it's the nfl ends. But i mean he will so cool aqua and orange. yeah he would've been. It's something that. I kind of think about almost daily basis. Because i mean you know you can sit here and you can say You know okay. What whatever it's not that big of a deal. This rookie class is going to be great with travis Honestly believe is better than dobbins. But did you see on chances. Dolphins truly had getting dobbins. If they liked him you know. They rushed him in blida team facilities right before the deadline You know and. I don't know the Brian floors would ultimately got re kwan. Davies you know. At what point would they take in. Jk dobbins i mean. There's a ton of question marks around. But yeah i mean if you came in here they would all absolutely be awesome but the dolphins are setting themselves up to get that young. You know explosive playmaking running back next year. Or that's not a harris with it's whether that trouble hubbard. I mean journey brown. There's some good running back next year. But i would love to see. Jk dobbins people especially Front brian burns. He's going to hate me. Continue to harp on that but yeah he would absolutely add a different dynamic to the dolphins offense and it's weird. I mean the trade deadline was this week in. The dolphins made some moves. But i think it's safe to say and we'll talk about him now. I don't think any of them are going to have any impact on this week. And that's why we didn't really lead with the stop. But i mean the dolphins have been very very busy this week. We're talking about doing a show wednesday. Maybe thursday just to kind of get our preview out there. Uh seeing that both of us have had kind of a busy week but i mean we hit the nail on the head of your josh. Because you know. I it seems like antonio calloway the the thirty or wide receiver who's been suspended is looking to be acted this year He's played twenty games in his career. Forty-three receptions on sunday. Nine targets offer five touchdowns now. He hasn't been able to practice with the team. He hasn't able to develop chemistry. I mean i think it's safe to say we don't even know if he's ever going to see author on his way. But you know they activated him. Which is again you. Think about these diamonds in the rough. You're looking for players. Who can just play. And then after they're better than just capable of playing capable of catching passes and doing their job even better but the dolphins traded is afford for seventh round pick. He really wasn't getting a lot of volume in this offense. We've seen the struggles that press. The williams has had a devante. Parker had one catch last week and the dolphins just don't seem to have that volume guy that no matter what in every down the jarvis landry you know he's going to catch the ball and he's just gonna straight up to his job. I mean i guess we could argue. that landry. didn't always do that with the penalties and issues he had but i mean i think that's kind of what the dolphins are looking for and so they traded away is they afford to give other guys. Some opportunities on twenty. Calloway might become one of them and then the other they made Sent probably it's going to be even the same pick that they got from the patriots to the kansas city chiefs for deondraye washington. Who really are running back. He spent time. he's he was in kansas city. This year He was oakland in the past. It's his fifth year in the nfl. He can run the football but he's really more of a guy who you want on passing downs whether it's pass blocker or out at excuse me out on the open. Space are catching the ball. But i mean these are two moves at the dolphins have made Isaiah ford had a really heartfelt message. The miami dolphins fan any did have moments especially last season for the team. You've been a big fan of them all time. I kind of been wobbling with them. Hoping he'd grasp a chance to really prove himself. But i mean he really didn't have that one treat that really made out newscast his he's the myles gaskin of wide receivers and that shouldn't be a bad thing. These guys who are playing professional football. They're incredibly talented. But they just don't have that game changing ability or talent that can really make defenses. Have to focus on you. Yeah i was a big fan of as if ford again. I wrote an article with our good pal sutton early on in the draft process. You know about what we thought of it skill said i wish him all look. It sucks that he went to the patriots move that they saw because not only did. He not fit their long-term plan. But they wanna get antonio involved you know it makes perfect sense and i'm looking at callaway. you know. This is a guy who kind of to me reminds you that josh gordon's situation. Where every year you know you just kind of thing okay. The sky gets the right opportunity. Gets its mindset. You know. he's go out there and make plays calloway. Hasn't been in the same type of trouble for the same amount of time. But he he's definitely had those off the field issues but to me still twenty three years old. You know he had a stint in the xfl he was an explosives. Playmaker there for a little bit with baker mayfield. The browns i believe he had five touchdowns in his career. You know so. This is a player that could add a jolt to this offense here. Forty three five hundred. Eighty six yards and five touchdowns and two thousand eighteen but again he's twenty three years old hometown. Miami no and you just look at. The dolphins have done over the years. And you mentioned air rose. You mentioned this axiom. We mentioned in previous podcast. They get these players opportunities to make the most of them and then they reward them. You know adam shaheen new contract. And i joked about i think at five receptions all year mean there is a chance of calvi can come in here. You definitely got temporary expectations because you know a lot of dolphin fans were saying. This is why ford's gone and maybe it is but that same day for press conference. Saint is not even seen. Calloway cleats yet. So let's pump the brakes on that washington again. This is a player. Like you said it's probably better suited for the passing game. But he has some of those similar skills like myles gaskin so we'll see what type role he has been again. I don't think see much of him this week. I think as far as running backs are concerned You know we kind of touched on. Who those are gonna be howard. We'll see a little bit on modern then patrick laird. I do have to throw this out there because you mentioned the afford. I think one of the coolest things malcolm perry said. And that's a guy who we may see him a bigger role for this week He said he was asked which. Nfl receivers have you studied in idolize and he said i'm too focused on what the dolphins have asked me to do. But i think for was a great role model. I try to model my preparation and practice habits after him. He someone i look up to in this league so Know i think they afford meant more to some of the fans and maybe the his teammates than he did others. And we've heard time and time again. This might be the smartest receiver in the room. You saw ryan fitzpatrick hurt. He trimmed his beard and he was wearing those shorts to kind of pay homage to ties. Ahah ford so it's going to suck to see him go again. Especially 'cause his new england but the dolphins have speed. It's time for them to adapt. And you know. That's what this offense is all about. It's about two quick timing routes. It's about you know getting juki grant to get that separation at some of these other guys aren't getting allow compared to use his quick quayle to get some of those opportunities limp out in again until calloway so you can see the way. This dolphins offense is slowly starting to form. You know kind of change now that we're midway through the year now. That too is involved. We'll see if it all comes together but you know there's a lot of uncertainties and again it's come together because you're not gonna be able to go out there and go twelve twenty twelve twenty three for ninety three yards and a touchdown against cuyler murray. No she's not going to work out that way so I'm excited for this match up. And i guess that's the perfect almost segue kind of bring up here. Is i mean you mentioned no yet and i firmly believe he's going to get more involved. It's no surprise. we saw him Start to get some snaps whether it's wildcat whether it's the perception to win to got involved in and lynn bowden's another guy after trading a draft pick forum really hope he continues to develop but i mean one just watching the games. I don't really have a bunch of film or anything to Bring up so like. I said this could be a dart at the wall. Some sort of. I wanna see. Maybe mac hons get an opportunity at wide receiver. A we mentioned before the season that he kind of fit that allen burns and albert wilson rolled sock receiver guy. The dolphins didn't really need. And then you see guys elber wilson. Parents choose to sit out the season which is certainly understandable. But i mean that opened up opportunities for different guys in size airport. Get chances we. We're gonna see malcolm. Perry get more chances. But in that meantime as he's rookies develop especially a rookie seven current pick of rookie. Four-grand pick look for here because he is someone who kind of fits that brian for his mantra of you're gonna work you're going to work and then you're going to get rewarded for it. He is someone who i always see flying down the field and special teams someone. I always see celebrating on the sidelines. I think matt collins could get an opportunity. This is another thing You know. I like to joke. Two-mile join howard things whatnot. I could certainly see this. Being something. that's recorded. Sent back to me with his stat. Line of across the board but i think he is starting to fit that mantra that brian flores was looking for and before we start to dive into our cardinals dolphin preview. I didn't want to bring up. I think he will get legitimate opportunity. I think that's worth watching Especially someone who has probably been practicing with the second and third strings blakely said about welcome perry. Who's been dealing with two of vegetables. 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There's a little something for everyone on the sp nation nfl. Show be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app to be sure. You don't miss a single episode. We mentioned at the top of the show Dolphins dealing with a little copay nineteenth scare right now. Everything seems to be on track to happen. This weekend. Between the miami dolphins at the arizona cardinals. The dolphins enter with the record of foreign three are and are given four point. Five points by vegas against the cardinals who are currently five two in coming off the bye week josh. We've had these danes over the last few years. I mean where the dolphins could really show that they belong. There was a game in new england last year a couple years ago they were there three and our must have been what two thousand seventeen three going into stopped like thirty seven in new england. Things like that. And i'm not saying this will certainly derail the season or anything like this but last week was a paternity for the dolphins approve. Hey we kind of belong. And they showed that they showed that against san francisco. And this. I mean we just kind of raising the bar on them. But that's the way it should be. If you want to be a playoff team you have to meet all these challenges and men. This seems like such an exciting game. And i'm throwing a fit because it's only been given to six percent of the country But i one thing. I want to add before we get into our three keys. Not one person on. Nfl dot com. Pick the dolphins to win. Which is really a shocker. I like kind of an underdog. Mantra i mean. A lot of people. Spend that to say all but just nobody likes the dolphins. The media hates the dolphins. I refuse to go that far. I strongly disagree with that. I mean the cardinals are five into their home. Coming off the bye and more importantly they just knocked undefeated seahawks something. The dolphins failed to do at home. Yeah absolutely. I think it's going to be exciting to see. Just kinda all takes fold here because this is a very good dolphins team. You mentioned it. You want to see consistency out of them. What they did last week was kind of you know i mean. They went out there at nine to snaps on defense and they still ended up coming out of that game with a pretty big lead. I mean you're not gonna be able to do that every week. This dolphins teams playing awesome. And you know we're just go diving or three keys because to me the biggest thing about this game and it just dates back. You know years and it's not the same dolphins team that let thad lewis alleged. Gino smith ej manual. You know run rapid on them but at the end of the day you know column Jit mvp candidate. And the dolphins absolutely have to figure out a way to stop that arizona cardinals rushing tack. And it's funny because i had the stats here. Collar murray has carried the football sixty five times this year. For four hundred. Thirty seven thousand seven touchdowns. Myles gaskin is the dolphins leading rusher. And he's three hundred. Eighty seven yards and three touchdowns. And i know. You can't compare quarterback running the football to a running back but do four hundred and thirty seven yards and seven touchdowns and they played. What seven games i mean. They struggled with josh allen. You know this guy is a better. You know josh allen has at rocket armed but would you not agree column more accurate you know. He's more dangerous with the ball in his hand. This is going to be a true test to what this defense is capable of. Because last week was awesome. You love to see him do it. But they rattled. Jared goff i mean you can rattle a murder. You've seen it before he he's not prone to making errors. But i mean this guy is as i as dynamic players. We've seen you know you can sit there and you can compare him to lamar jackson. I mean i think he's a better passer than the more and you know. I almost think you might be better running the football. I mean this guy is probably the most explosive player that i can remember watching. Play football since you know like michael vick and i. It's just truly exciting and again you can't look at what the dolphins in the past how they struggled with insert you know insert quarterback's name here. Who played in buffalo. Who play the jets. No whatever running quarterback might have finished the dolphins. I struggled against him. I think that this is going to be a true test. And i just don't know who they're going to have that's going to be able to sit there and own in and you know kind of spy and and make sure that collar can't get out there. 'cause i have some names listed here and i'll let you jump in and give your thoughts. But can they let cobb in do it can let van ginkel. You know jerome. Baker len roberts to me. I think the biggest guy that you gotta consider your is brandon jones. He's that player that you've seen flying all over the field you know he can cover running backs out of the backfield and he's kind of that. Chesapeake that you use any situations you know. He gets down on the box and dozens gritty. Things that make fitzpatrick wouldn't do so. I think we might see a little bit more brand jones this week but now that i sat here and i focused mostly on color. Murray one eight one you tell me what you think about. The kernels rushing attack. Yeah i mean you're certainly right. I think the biggest the biggest. I and we haven't as our laskey here but it certainly just stopping that big play. I mean the dolphins have done an incredibly jot incredible job of that the season you just do not see guys running wild on the scene and i love you. Bring up the possibility of brandon jones There's a reason why however was the first overall pick in the draft. There's a reason why the cardinals after drafting a quarterback in the first round did it again the following year. he's awesome he is a treat to watch I saw post by the car on twitter and other day. And if you didn't see it you should certainly check it out. It's it's calorie. Murray and to Basically Mashed up with rocket power characters. And that just kind. What is these guys. Are riding around on skateboards just with their quickness. And you know i would idea brenton jones. I think that's really what's going to go down to. I'm not sure if the dolphins are gonna quote unquote use a spy as much as they're going to be focused on containing and that is why i think we should slide into second key here and that is containing the cardinals rushing attack cardinals. Everything five point two yards per carry. That's the second best in the league. Our good friend. Kenyan drake Who told grog you don't have. The angle is questionable. But it looks like chase as been going to be the guy The thing about Despite the fact that he's averaging four point yard four point nine yards per carry which is twenty league is the fact that he hasn't had twenty opportunities game right. The second he does that. I feel those numbers will slowly start to crawl back down right. Now is averaging over sixty yards per game on the ground this season. But i want to bring up with the dolphins coaching staff Senate and that's you. Don't get three yards and you looking someone like landon. Roberts has been awesome. You see the impact of someone. Like calvin who is always setting the edge. He is reading plays so incredibly well. And i haven't seen that from dolphins linebacker and so so why it is so cool to see a free agent signing especially at linebacker pan out in the way of edna has at least as early knock on wood. I don't want to jinx it but koehler murray has five runs of twenty plus years. Chase edmonds has three. We cannot let the league's second-best running attack get gain big gains over and over and don't hear what i'm not saying there. The cardinals are an explosive offense under cliff. Kingsbury they're going to have big plates. The difference though is can you shorten the field on them. You see what the dolphins defense being the allowing the fewest points per game. How well they can control those last twenty yards before entering the end zone. We can't have a guy breaking loose. For that eighty yard touchdown like we saw last season. The dolphins have done such a great job of doing that this year. Where they're gonna force you to have seven or eight plays that each gained ten yards without making a mistake without having false without doing any of these things and that's why i'm kind of feeling pretty good about the dolphins opportunities in this. Yes it's homer heche. But i don't think any of us here are wanting to say that the dolphins are gonna lose the dolphins zero point going to be and this is kind of the path to take. I love to see a landon roberts. The way brian floor is scheming. These blitzes if you haven't seen the Inside the inside the nfl. Or what is it josh posted yesterday. I retweeted it saying that it was cool. It was just basically a detailed look at the game. And they were highlight the game last week against the rams and were highlighting the cover zero that brian four issues. But i mean if you're telling me that the dolphins are planning to find a way to get into the backfield And landed roberts laya clean hit on collar. Murray to make him second. Guess himself even for half a second for the rest of the game. I mean i think that could go so far for being the difference maker. Because murray's son i mean you're everything works until you get punched the mouth and the one guy i don't want to be punching someone in the mouth end and roberts. Yeah we i mean. We saw him punch two guys in mouth. Yeah this anytime. He was like a wrecking ball. I mean it was like some juggernauts jeffrey. Just like running through walls. You know repeatedly you put You know it's going to be a true test for the dolphins. It'll be fun to see you know how they match up Mention chase edmonds. It's unfortunately probably are not going to see a kenyan drake. I guess you know. There's still chance he might play. But it seems like it's gonna be chase edmonds time again. You mentioned in being explosive. Playmaker him colin murray. I think you saw the recipe last week. And we know. Jared goff doesn't have some of those same intangibles some of those same traits as a column murray especially in the row as impacts are run game but the dolphins got to continue to do that. They've got to use that zero scheme up at that line. And they got to confuse the crap out of these young quarterbacks. Because you know. I good as marie is like you said when you get punched in the mouth you know everything changes so the dolphins gotta go out there they got. They got a punch carla. Marie in the mouth. And you know we mentioned only half of that offense you mentioned you. Stop the big play by starting with the wrong. But then we got to look at their wide receivers and this goes into just how explosive esteem is deandre hopkins in my opinion and i've said it on previous shows i've said on twitter upset it wherever i've had a chance to say deandre hopkins in my opinion is probably the best wide receiver in football this year. Already as fifty seven receptions for seven hundred and four yards and three touchdowns obviously expecting on touchdowns but meant seven hundred and four yards and again we are. We are seven games into the season. Then christian kirk eighteen receptions two hundred and seventy seven yards an explosive player. They move all over the offense. He has five touchdowns and then the ageless. Wonder i mean larry fitzgerald's gonna go down as one of the greatest receivers of all time. So i mean we know. The dolphins secondary is their strong suit. But how do you match this thing up here and i. I kinda sat here. And i tried to break it down. And we mentioned brandon jones. You know being used a little bit more to kind of take away. Collar murray's legs. But how do you see these. These matchup shaping up. I think exhibiting howard for as much as i like byron jones now mitt. I've said time and time again. I think byron jones is probably the best player on this entire football team From a skill standpoint but from exit absolutely incredible you know except for that one game where i think he got beat up and you know they are playing mostly just known coverage and you know. There's there's little variables here. And they're examining. How playing out of his mind and andre hopkins. I mean you could sit there and you could probably debate both on whether you want to put byron jones over there or they're not you wanna put exuding howard hopkins but You know how. How are you going to match these. These corners in these receivers. Because that's the true testament. Here that's gonna be the true test. Is you know you can figure out ways to stop column or you can figure out ways to stop this run game. But if you let column or go out there and you loud. The andre hopkins tino work these defensive backs and just do with the andrea hopkins does because like you said they're going to get those big plays gender gonna make those big plays but it's containing those at spending breaking. How're the dolphins gonna match-up against that dynamic trio of arizona karnal wide receivers. I think the key of it and our third key is limited mistakes. I think when you look at what the dolphins are putting together here and you look at the game plan different things. You want an attack. I mean deandre hopkins is awesome. And nobody's gonna say that. But i will argue that. I think davante adams is the best receiver in the nfl But i mean. That's i mean we're arguing when a and one b. There's really no point and really going tom. Thomas private laws in there too. But you need to play to be able to be you know. It's true but something that really stood out to. Me is mind boggling to me and i think this is something. The dolphins can certainly take advantage of is put the cardinals offense in awkward situations. Make them uncomfortable and yes you can do that by you. Know having a landon. Roberts fly up the middle and smash calgary another way you can do. That is the fact that the cardinals are averaging e penalties per game the worst. Total in the league. If you want to have this miami dolphins defense get off the field. Get them in. A i in twenty. They're going to try to dissipate little yards. And then you're going to get to that third and eight where you can really execute. You can just make that one. Stop and get off the field. I think that it's going to be the biggest thing here. Is this trend of arizona. And i kinda look into a little more in the sense of this isn't just there's an outlier game where they had you know twenty five penalties or something insane like that one game consistently. They're averaging seven to eight penalties a game and that's kind of you know we talk about you know. Brian four is being in the discussion. For as one of the best coaches in the league this year. A big reason that is because his team doesn't commit penalties. Despite how young. They are just kind of kind of my inbox to really think about how the dolphins have had these penalties. They're doing they're getting called for about four point. Four pounds a game. New england first at two point nine up and the dolphins are kind of starting to bump up little bit averaging five per game. But that's kind of the difference. I see between these two games. The team excuse me. They're both very young. They're both trending in the right direction. But it's the dolphins really wanna make a difference is limiting those mistakes. you cannot get those preset penalties. You can't get called for defensive holding on third down because the cardinals based on what we've seen through them for seven games. I don't know if this is something you fix in the by leak is certain work in laremy. Tunsil stand by me is limiting those mental errors. The holds and things like that that seems like it is a very clear advantage for the miami dolphins in terms of. Hey those ten to fifteen yard plays that happened inbetween play in between saps. I guess i should say can really be the difference between these two games because between these two teams. Excuse me because. I just think they match up so well doing i mean we're sitting here and we're we're praising how this is going to be a match up here there. We mentioned you know that miami dolphins offensive line and you're mentioning not needing to make mistakes. You know again. This is to a second game you know. This is some of these younger players. you know. They've been around the league that long you know. They're going up against a pretty good defensive unit. We got jordan phillips. He's common for revenge. I mean this guy's coming for blood. And then you gotta sign riddick drafted isaiah simmons. I mean a lot of dolphin fans loved him corey. Peters jordan hicks at linebacker man looking over this list. And then we we talk about the dolphins receivers. You know who's going to step up and who's going to make those plays you. Got patrick peterson on the other side. You know you got fucking you got dre kirkpatrick and then at safety got buddha baker. I mean it's going to be a match up a little way. These teams matchup because if both teams guy those skill players are both teams does defense to counter that. It's going to be a matchup between you. Know one of the young and then bright upcoming offense at mines against one of what we've already seen as being one of the best defensive coaches football. So how are these two teams going to play. You know it's going to be awesome to watch and i'm excited. I hope everything works out. I hope this game moves on as as we expect because this is going to be. You know you sit here joke but Are they gonna be posted this rocket power. You know that rocket power picture comes superbowl time when these two teams play again. I'm going to say this year. Nobody's allowed to steal it. Josh i need you to get that rocket power picture. We'll send it to you and we just need a thorough crime jordan on komo Murray so our listeners know the second the dolphins win this game. We're posting that picture. Because i think that's gonna be larry. I just thought of that one on the spot. Yup you said from your mouth. To god's ears i'll do it. I think kind kinda key here too. In terms of limiting mistakes you met the dolphins offensive line and were half an hour to this podcast and we have barely mentioned to a tug of law. I think we all need to just chill in terms of what he is doing. What the process is is this attending try out. Are the dolphins. Good draft a quarterback. Just kinda go week by week here and really just let things play out for a bit if you ever paid attention. Rookie quarterback struggle. It is no surprise there. And i think he's only going to get more comfortable with those balls. We saw flutter aren't going to happen throughout the year. I it's just kind of one of those you've got to trust the process. I read some statistics based on the cardinals secondary where i don't think they're necessarily as good as the names really come out to be. I think patrick. Peterson is having a comeback year in the sense but i don't think he's the player that was dominant for seven eight years throughout the nfl of drake. Your patrick i think is a week number two and preston williams who really needs to make a case of i belong on the team. I belong on this roster. Hey please after wide receiver in the first round. This is a great opportunity for him to kind of put him on ice and really control a football game and that's what we saw early last year before he suffered an injury is principally m's ability to kind of move the sticks kinda lik devante. Parker can do at times where you know. The ball's gonna come to him. That doesn't matter you don't we espy devante parker. Despite the one catch you knew it was going to be a say over the middle to him he got popped right in the head and he's still popped up with the football those type of things we can see We saw it. I believe it was against jacksonville. Where the dolphins strength power at wide receiver just was too much for that secondary of jacksonville. I think this needs to be an opportunity. Where those guys. The height the strength. All those things that we love about this. You didn't needs to come into fruition this week. Yeah and i think it really doesn't matter preston. One who wants to that author of draft and wires round regardless but as we saw earlier in the year you know remember when he added that drop in the end zone that next week i mean he came and i think he had a touchdown on that same place. So i mean we've seen preston one who's make mistakes against young player. It's going to happen but you wanna see more consistency there but when we have seen those mistakes he's worked on it and that same week you know you've seen it pay dividends so he's going to drop. Footballs you know. That's just part of it but I do think you might have a bounceback game here. You mentioned brian floor. You mentioned this whole ton of thing a have to just throw this out there and again. It's this report continues to come out from. Espn the dolphins are giving to attend game Audition to eventually after a quarterback in two thousand and twenty one and again. There's a lot of games to be played. You can sit here and say that you know with one hundred percents certain that the dolphins want do something if an unforeseen thing came up but he made it a point to come out and just the middle of his press conscious. Say now you mentioned that the quarterback there was a couple of things out there. Let's call it a source close to dolphins thinking they've been saying that we are additioning too and i'm going to tell you about my thinking. We brought to a here because we believe in him the same as all the other draft. We believe in developing players. I think you guys have heard me talk about improvement. Players on a daily basis that would be the opposite and gives somebody ten game audition so You know the report. I think came out of kim day. I forget who re tweeted Tweeted it but Afterwards oh yeah yeah road. Yeah it was. Dolphin fans bullied them to delete it. So you know it's gonna continue to happen and you know to went out there and through thrown yards. No one would say anything but again you know so. We got our three keys of the game. I think we've kind of been getting into a situation where we're kind of repeating the keys but that's what winning football is all about. I mean it isn't having these all star level players. I mean yes. It certainly helps. I mean pro bowl. Sorry but it certainly helps have those guys but what. The brian forest system is proving. Is hey if you come in your job. Somebody's gonna do something that's going to put us in a position to win football games and that is what kind of been clear about this team and both sides of the ball is. Hey you don't make penalties you don't blow your coverage we're going to be just fine and that's just such a relief when we're kind of used to bagging. Can someone please make a play. Everyone is making a play now. Because everybody's simply doing their job and it's cliche corny. But i mean that's just kinda the philosophy the development. It's all been there and let's roll into our key players. I'm gonna go byron jones. I think there's no way. For as those put byron. Jones on the andre hopkins. The way he's played the you know what. If you wanna get really saucy you can put both exhibiting howard and byron jones on the andrea hopkins. Because there's nobody else that receiving unit that scares me christian kirk. No larry fitzgerald now. I think it is going to be byron. Jones's performance i think what we've seen through the first seven games from him and i said about the no i'm going to say about don't do. It is so so exciting to see free. Agent signings big ones just playing the way. They should playing at a level consistent level of excellence. And that's what it's been by jones. Edward been for this defense. And if you don't think he's looking for this opportunity to go against one of the best wide receivers in the league. This is this is going to be about him. I think byron jones if he locks down deondraye hopkins. That's the difference in this game. I mean this is what i'm saying. Now could go if they try to mix things up and having saved howard platinum which would be great too. I mean he's got five interceptions in the last six games. Four interceptions last five. Excuse me and he could've you know had one last week. Data yada yada. But i mean. I think brian jones. This is the week we start talking. We could certainly start talking about the miami defense as this unit that is on another level that hey just because an offense is good. That doesn't mean anything you're coming in. You're coming in and you're trying to throw the team it ain't going to happen. I think that's what buying jones point is going to go out to do this week. And i think he has a good chance of doing it and again. I absolutely love barn jones. And i mean i've no prominent him match up with deandre hopkins. I think a lot of dolphin fans Once the signing went through. I think we all saw the video going around them to matched up against each other. And you know. It was a fight for the ages. I think byron. Joe held his own. So we've seen it before. But i think you know it's going to be a true testament to test to see how the dolphins come out here and schematically work these things. Defensively my key player. And i'm going to take the biggest cop out in the entire world. It's going to be too low. I mean you're not going to go up there and you're not gonna play the or you're not gonna travel west. You're not going to beat the arizona carnivals and i mean we can say you know what players we like which players we don't like this is an explosive offense this is a defense as plenty of pieces to wreak havoc on a young offensive line. And you know it could potentially happen. So i wanna see to go out there and you know. He's going to toe for toe. And you mentioned iraq power picture. We continue to do so. I will make sure to have that crying jordan on there but You know i. It's going to be a heavyweight battle and quarterbacks don't go against one another that's stupid even say but these two guys are going to be. No i do believe this is gonna be midwest shootout. You know it's going to be like those old westerns at my dad used to watch where kyla maria to his lawyer. Walk in. you know. They're taking steps opposite each other and they're getting ready to turn around and it's going to be a battle and i think it goes throughout this entire game. You know you can see they just like we this entire time. These two teams matched to great. And it's gonna be exciting. It is going to be a shootout. But again i think to us do more than ninety three yards and a touchdown is go out there. And he's a show those strides at the coaches the fans and you know his peers are expecting from because this is his team in. I'm not going to sit here and put too much stock in how he plays in the second game against arizona team but again you're going to have to do more than two last week and i think personally i mean i've said it before i think murray i put in june or july. I put the ban on column to be league. Mvp i think he's at damn good He he's going to have to go out there and be the to a ton of a low we all know he can be. And i think that is what we're going to see. We're gonna see much more what we've expected to see know as fans and having too high of expectations last week in his debut he's gonna settle down. I think this game plan is going to open up. And you know they're gonna they're gonna go out there and they're going to look at the skies opened up in rain hell out in the zone. And i can't wait to see it happen judge. I got a quick question for you. I think we can agree if the difference between these two teams and this is why. I'm feeling a little confident about the dolphins and you can. Certainly i want you to jump in and correct wrong here. But i think if to a tug of Outperforms the dolphins win the game but if our murray outperforms which you know based on everything we know his administration gave murray in his second year. Obviously one of the better players in the nfl. I think the dolphins silva opportunity to win the game. And that's such a situation. I haven't seen for years because If you've been on dolphins twitter for a very long time quarterback wins and quarterback versus quarterback has always been such a big discussion the ryan tannehill years because for such a long time. We argued that he needs to be the best quarterback on the field but what the dolphins are proving now. They don't need to have the best quarterback view. They need to have the best team. So i liked the to a pick because if he does outperform canterbury. I think there is a zero percent chance that the cardinals win the same man and it really is. It's been since early two thousand since we've seen this dominant defense at the dolphins didn't have to rely on the saints. Yeah yeah you're right special teams it. It truly is a team that and they talk about it. you know. They're going out there and they're playing for one another and it's really what you're seeing But we mentioned data back even before to his debut. We said you know this defense. When they're healthy. This defense is freaking awesome and you get a jet so you were kind of tempering expectations. You wanna see against a real opponent. But now they're going out there and we saw against the rams and were still like okay but let's see what they do this week against carl's you know. I think this defense is awesome. I think like you said if to goes out there and now performs kalamaria. It's a rat. But if for some reason you know to goes out there. And he throws for one. Fifty two hundred zero two touchdown interception or two touchdowns and two interceptions and colin murray. Noah's four touchdowns the dolphins defense from what we've seen it for takeaways last week. You know we we see the music's it could have been six. We opportunities creating on a weekly basis. I mean who knows what can happen. I think you're absolutely right and again You know the more we talk about the work. I get and i just hope it all comes together because again. This is going to be a matchup that we're seeing in a super bowl couple years from now all that would be something. Wasn't it all right. Let's predictions. I think it's pretty obvious what i'm gonna say. But i'd like to add some context to it. Because i think the dolphins a big strain threw them is going to be making the cardinals. One dimensional hopkins awesome awesome. Awesome awesome adding hundred yards per game. He seventy three times a season. The next closest is thirty seven. Their offense doesn't really have another threat. Who can really help. Murray put the team In go Last week i mentioned with the rams how sweet the nfc east and and that's a big reason they have you know four wins or five wins. It was them in the bears. And i'm not going to sit here and save it to discredit the cardinals there. I'm going to say these winslow matter because obviously you can only play. Who's in front of you. Just because the dolphins beat the jets twenty four to nothing. It doesn't discredit him. I mean you win and there you wish it was actually a little higher scoring game but it is what it is at cardinals at five in two. They have two wins against the nfc east and a win against the jets. They lost or are they lost the panthers and in the first three games of the season caliber had four touchdowns to five interceptions against the forty niners The washington football team and the detroit. Lions i mean this. They're an explosive team. But if you're disciplined if you make the cardinals very one dimensional if you take advantage of the penalties which they certainly are capable of doing the kenyan drake not being. They're hurting their depth. That running back their biggest strength. I think is another thing that can certainly help this team. I like the dolphins. Chances i really do. Everyone's kind of you know. I don't think they'll be wrong because there are dolphin fans and this is the kind of stuff wanna here but i mean there just seems like. There's a lot of matches that the dolphins to take of and murray is going to get hit. Don't get me wrong. But it's there's a difference between getting his berry getting four touchdowns. I like the dolphins here. I think it's going to be a little awkward. A little weird look in game. But i like dolphins to come away with this with like. Let's say let's say twenty seven to seventeen type win and arizona. Come back five. And three and brian. Flores is on the math for coach of the year. See you're always going to the dolphins and that's gonna make nuclear. He'll if i ever go against them but again listening to you talk in you know you do this weekend and week out you kinda start to sway me one way or the other so as a fan you know. I feel pretty optimistic about this. I really do like column. I think he's one of the best. Quarterback prospects have come out in years But oftens defense was awesome last year. I don't think that's gonna carry for this week. I think this is going to be again. Shootout between these two I seem to be a little bit closer. And i'm going to say thirty three thirty one sitting here just typing it out trying to figure out how the hell we're gonna get to that. I don't know if the math field goals. And i want to jason. I want to jason sanders Last fuel said he just about every week so this is a week. He's going to finally make that. Tim last To remain perfect and you know to push the dolphins further on their way toward that. Afc division champion that we've seen for so we've lacked for so many years. So we'll we'll see. I think it's gonna be again and two overs. Calorie can't do the quarterback i quarterback thing but it's gonna be those two guys to go out there and offense to a lot of points because i think it's going to be a shootout in the mid west one after meeting relate you guys go and can lead jersey. If you're interested wedding it to smash the subscribe button review let us know about it on twitter. 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 Derrius Guice Released, Are We Drafting Any Washington RBs?

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

16:47 min | 1 year ago

Derrius Guice Released, Are We Drafting Any Washington RBs?

"Now. Here's some combination of Adam Day Jamie He. Friday night bonus pod here on fantasy football today. Adam Jamie, ben talking about Darius guys in the Washington football team backfield they're releasing Darius guys following his arrest on domestic violence charges. He was a second round pick in two eighteen mrs entire rookie season played just five games in two, thousand and nineteen, and we've got a wide open backfield that a lot of guys that could step up hopefully, this team has not finished higher than seventeenth in rushing in any of the last five years they've been twentieth in four the last five years. So Jamie Dave. Ben. Whoever wants to talk. I. Are you going to draft a Washington running back and if so who Dave? You Go I. I would be interested in a Washington running back. NPR would still be Antonio. Gibson Gibson wasn't the first one that I was going to take. You would been the second but now he will be the first but I'm probably not gonNA take a much higher than where I was taking him before whereas I was taking him in round ten. Now, my movement around nine, this guy barely had two hundred carries going back to high school. He's a converted wide receiver I think they're I don't think this changes how Washington uses Gibson to begin the year I just think it clears a path a little bit more for him to be used Moore's rusher, but it does the exact same thing for Adrian Peterson. paid-in Barber and the guy that I'm really kind of intrigued by Bryce love might have a chance to really. Get, some serious playing in no doubt about it I still expect Washington to split the workload up but getting guys out of the way does open the the runway for all those running backs Jamie. Colleague I mean you know we were I think varying degrees excited about Antonio Gibson, and the industry has been very excited about Antonio Gibson after Ron Rivera said Christian McCaffrey comparisons and knowing that he coached McCaffrey in Scotch on the offense coordinator is with McCaffrey. So Gibson you know I think Dave said best that he's not a proven commodity as a rusher, and so it was gonna take something like one of the two guys in front of him being out of the way for him to get an expanded role in that regard But I don't think they're all of a sudden going to say here you're fifteen carry guy you're twenty carry guy now. that. May Happen by the end of the season but when you have Peterson when you have love when you have pain barber who? As, we know was not very good in in Tampa. Bay last year, but they did give him hundred seventy touches also digging mckissick who now has a better chance of sticking around as well. So it's still a crowded backfield even with with with guys out of the way but MPP are I think you know you move Gibson little bit. Now you're definitely taking a flyer. On Peterson need just sort of a guy to have some touches or Bryce love. If you're looking for the upside play, I would lean more toward love because I think probably Peterson goes in the round ten range and love probably goes with one relator picks unless of course, you come out the the Watson football team comes out with a some sort of comment from Rivera thing. More glowing things about love. so He'd be the one that I'm the most intrigued by if I'm taking a late fire. Let me just let me just clear this up too. So we have it on record two, hundred two carries for Antonio Gibson since he was in junior high. So from the moment, he started high school through Community College and then with Memphis two hundred. Two carries Bryce love at Stanford five hundred and sixty nine. Carey's forty nine receptions I think Bryce love is the more experienced running back the to obviously Adrian. Peterson's the most experienced running back that Washington Scott and that's why I think they'll probably lean on him and he absolutely steps up as as zero rb slash week one type of running back that fantasy managers can start. Right, Ben, where are you guys? Peterson's had two hundred plus carries two straight years who's actually a top twenty running back two years ago two hundred and fifty one carries in sixteen games. Last year he played fifteen games. Yeah. Two hundred eleven carries. Was Outside the top twenty four, he was twenty eighth and non. Third PR Peterson has had a little bit of a resurgence I mean, he's been solid four point two, four point three yards per carry last two years with the redskins but they have paid and Barbara we we haven't really talked about him. I. Don't think Where are You ben on this backfield? Yeah, these guys hit on all the fun stuff and and nailed it, and so the reality is and I think they probably both agree that we're gonNA. We're GONNA see a lot of Adrian Peterson and maybe a lot of pain Barbara. They have these veteran plotters that are are probably GonNa make this fun for fantasy Gibson is is certainly a really exciting prospect. He's a I talk a lot about Jonathan Taylor. He's comp very comparable athlete to Jonathan Taylor and like Jamie said Rivera comparative to McCaffrey So. Are you not excited about the issue of course is that he played receiver in in mostly in college then like they said he the only at forty four carries and only seventy seven overall touches throughout his couple years at Memphis Bryce love by contrast to go back to what this guy did in college. His junior year, he ran for over two thousand yards and nineteen touchdowns I? mean he lives like Jonathan Taylor type prospect wasn't he production? Yup Number two in the voting he was I. think he was the runner up that year and his senior year he he dealt with ankle injuries and then. On. The final play of their final regular season game and then that you know his numbers were down the whole year, he played through he missed a couple of games but he played we played for ten games wasn't as efficient or anything but definitely after his junior year, this guy was thought of very, very highly like Debbie circles for for people who play in the Debbie Leagues. And now, we're at a point where like they took a fourth round pick on him pretty much knowing he wouldn't play in his first year and the third. Third. But yeah they it was a reasonable enough pick for a guy you knew wasn't gonNA play the whole first year, and so you you'd think that they were they would give him a shot and this guy has a ton of athleticism I think the most today's point the most running back experience of between him and Gibson but those are the two they're both. I. Mean. Love. Supposedly great athlete we don't know we'll be at physically. I. Am we never got to get tested numbers tested as an amazing athlete. They're both great athletes. Love has the the great production profile at least in his junior year But that's that's where we hope to see touch gopher fantasy because that's where the upside would be. Site I reached out around four around for I. reached out to Ben Standard who covers the Washington football team for the athletic I asked him to give me his take and he's the guy that's played in a lot of fantasy leagues some with us. So here's what Ben told. Me said AP's locked into the starting role safe reliable, and this team needs that gives the gadget guy but the fantasy upside play for sure love is the wildcard and don't be surprised if mckissick is getting a bigger role on third down as well not a word about barber he I think Barbara's Now how I think reviewing AP as the backup to Geiss Barbara's probably the backup to to Peterson depending on how what they see from. Love and Gibson. That's going to sway that you know and so this is where I think preseason hurts a team like this especially under the circumstances because they could see on the field what he looked like love certainly as well, and now they have to just deal with what they're going to be able to get into practice. So. They're not gonNA keep all these guys. That's for sure. You're not mckesson because the one that could play on special teams. So that helps his role potentially making the team but you know we'll see what they do with their practice. It can be a little more creative with your practice squad this took so and and for how much we talk about love he he might he might be the guy that gets ends up being the odd man out. Like Ben said, he's the welcoming the he is I. I haven't dragged him for dynasty purposes. This offseason trying to get reports on his health trying to look things up. There's not been a lot written about in which has been part of this. We haven't gotten a lot about a lot of guys, but it's especially guys like love who you know. They wouldn't be top of mind for a lot of people covering Washington and a lot of extra days. What's Yeah I think I hope so I hope we start getting some information about it. Well, listen you guys have talked a lot about love and Gibson, his players that you're excited about athletically in terms of their potential but. Are you going to rank Adrian Peterson the highest and was that? No, no, but he's Our started. I mean I just don't care Iky. Empty. Touches. goal-line touches to this. Two years ago when you had a thousand yards, he had I think five or six games in those in that thousand camping. And I may be off on one way or the other. Last year Carlos had thousand yards. It was a very empty. season. Peterson is going to lead the team in rushing yards it yourself he's just score the most touchdowns. Albee. Dave's right. Take your rb approach and you need somebody for the first couple of weeks this season this is a very good player to to have on your team in that regard but if you're shooting for upside because when you. Know. That I know he doesn't have super I know he doesn't have great upside I get he's going to catch any passes but. Let's compare him to Jordan Howard have Jordan. Howard Agent Peterson our hearts twenty five yeah I know. But Howard Got Brita in the Backfield is Peterson going to get more decade young Peterson Peterson. Look look I forgot about this I'm not GonNa lie I'm looking at his game log right now. Four Games of the fantasy season fifteen, thirteen, fourteen, ten fantasy points in non PR scored a touchdown in every game. I'm just wondering. If the answers Howard that's fine I get it. I'd take our two. But why why is he so such a clear choice over Adrian Peterson because he's not sharing with three other running as. Sherwin Shit. Peterson's going to be sharing with other running beds though I mean he. He isn't a share with Barbara or there's no doubt about it that one of those guys is GonNa get carries, and then the other scenario is Ben pointed out mckissick is a guy that has you know proven to be a good pass catcher either Howard or Peterson catching passes very true. But I, I still think either ben or Dave said. Sharing with one guy versus sharing with three guys Howard was good enough last year to keep as talented as mile standard was off the field. So if Howard is right and presumably he is, the dolphins will run the ball better than they did a year ago Peterson may be the better choice by the end of the season but going in you're taking out. Adam curious because he seemed to be the highest high in here on Peterson. Where would you take him? What do you think from like because? I think the concern for all of us there's no weekly upside there. You just noted in four games score touchdowns he got into like the the teams, the low teens, four times in a row but he's GonNa score touchdown every week you're otherwise probably getting seventy rushing yards. Okay. So seven points so I'm not I don't WanNa be the High Guy Peterson I was kind of playing devil's advocate because I didn't do this show and not. Feature the guy who's going to be most likely going to be the starting running back for the redskins and who's who's gotten more than two hundred carries two straight seasons I feel like that's that's you know. Hold on. Let me finish. I. Where would I draft Adrian Peterson? I probably wouldn't because I don't really want to Jordan Howard or Adrian Peterson I. Don't think these guys are in very good situations. I don't think they're going to be on good offenses they're not gonNA they're they're not going to be on good teams. So if the game script is bad, they're going to be out of the game plan and there are players in the backfield that I think are better than them I think that breed is better than Jordan. Howard and I think I. Don't know I. Don't think pain. Barbara's Adrian. Peterson. But I do think there's a chance that Gibson or low love is better than Peterson but what's you know look Gibson might not be running back he they might not use them that way and they have a lot of Andrew, the wide receiver and prices very fair point I think this this is the approach you take because Howard's in a range of still potential flex option or is your rb when you get passed. Thirty six, maybe forty running back depending on whatever the rankings you're looking at don't draft for guys that can maybe help you or to Jaffer guys that can win your league. We don't have this conversation enough or maybe to this point enough. I'm taking Chase Edmunds, Alexander Madison, and Tony Paulo Region Peterson. Adam if a guy who can sit on your bench and never be in your lineup for fantasy unless you're completely stuck because that's really the only time used to be playing a guy like, Peterson, unless you're just loaded at receiver loaded, you know great quarterback tight end and you didn't draft the right way by getting somebody that can help you in some regard whether it's you know middle of the season end of the season. And you just need somebody to to plug and play that to me what Peterson is like I would rather have Gibson sitting on my bench then Peterson I'd rather have love sitting on my bench right now until we see some clarity than Peterson but again, I'll take the the backup in a potentially great situation compared to the starter in a miserable situation right now applies to Howard. We all agree I mean we all. We all agree I I was just to averaging point I can't think of a point. Where I would take where there's not guys that I want more than Adrian Peterson even like into the fourteenth or fifteenth round there are some really intriguing upside has daring Evans like Yup. I. Want that Guy Kelly as my sixth running back I want Adrian. Peterson's my sixth running back right like so I don't know where his ADP could land. I was trying to think of my head I don't know what he's going to end up in draft, but I don't know where it could land where I would really consider him because I was asking but I know you're not be after route ten. After around ten I. think there's a chance that in specifically in non PR leagues that he's better. He scores, he scores, enough touchdowns where like you know he's better than than his skill level suggests. Okay. Gibson and non pbr his numbers will be better than where he's ranked his numbers will be better than where he's drafted he plays the whole season but. Like Ben. Talks. About the dead zone it's just empty numbers. Yeah. For what you're going to look at, and that's the problem with it is just not necessarily it's not attractive and I think your point about what is ADP is going to be. This is a name guy people know this name he's a hall of fame caliber running back and so people are going to say, wow, the starting running back is sitting there around eight round nine, round ten I have to have that because I need a fifth running back and forth running back to this last question and then I'll let you guys go eat dinner. We've lost now Damian Williams and areas guys. These were too enticing mid round picks and we haven't even had any injuries yet. Does this put even more urgency on drafting running backs in the first two or three rounds? With the lack of preseason games. No. Because these guys weren't. Especially for me because I didn't look at Damien Williams's a round six or seven pick like some of the other guys. I think this does thin out the talent pool maybe a little bit when you get to the middle rounds, but we just lost areas guys, and now you can make the case to draft Adrian Peterson and Bryce. Love. So we lost one guy but we're gaining two that are going to be able to get picked later on. When we lost Damian Williams. Washington. Came into focus the Andrew Ginger washing steps. It's Kinda just emphasizes the replace ability of these these options but day plan changed what targeting the Andre Washington is not being drafted the way Damian. Williams was being quieter would solaire jumped up if you tell me right now the Andrea Washington is for sure the backup to Clyde Edwards I, will take him over Adrian Peterson ten times. There but you're not gonNA take over. Just the possibility probably the same way to. All right good stuff guys thanks for hopping on on a Friday night. Really appreciate it. Hope this was helpful for our listeners Have a great weekend. Described show I was talking to you I was talking to the listeners showed. All. Right everybody. Vow Dave you're GonNa have a great weekend. We'll talk on Monday.

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Explainer 153: Why is Australia so worried about refugees?

Monocle 24: The Foreign Desk

09:23 min | 2 years ago

Explainer 153: Why is Australia so worried about refugees?

"Uh-huh. Jordan Howard had already led the liberal national coalition to victory twice by two thousand one and he intended to do. So again, the leader of Australia's liberal party. Which is a strategy is conservative party carried a reputation for being a masterful mediator between factions? But there were signs of a shift in the electorate rising, petrol prices and the unpopular goods and services tax had helped lead to a slump in the polls, a wind of political change was blowing and it was coming from the right? I believe we are in danger from being spent by agents, they have their own culture and religion on get and do not simply action that I brought the how'd government to power in nineteen ninety six at also unleashed a new political firebrand upon the electorate. Pauline Hanson arrived on the public stage with a uniquely divisive brand of politics. And though she was dismissed by many a senseless provocateur from the fringes. Her message proved remarkably effective, even if she was often, not entirely control. I use in a phobic. Please. Explain is ineffective, you Maine's of fear of all things foreign no, I don't. No, I don't I am switchboards of talk back radio lit up with fears of migrants taking over and so called illegal arrivals threatening of stray Leah's national security, Prime Minister, John Howard, took characterizing asylum-seekers as 'queue-jumpers. Australia. Didn't operate an embassy in Afghanistan, all Iraq? The idea of a cue was a myth Australia's laws allow people to see asylum too. So they weren't illegal. And there was no indication that the relatively small number of boat arrivals represented a security threat. But with the opposition labor party echoing the governments of calls to strengthen Boorda policies. The debate quickly moved beyond facts and reason national securities they for about proper response to terrorism. It's also about having farsighted strong well-thought-out defense policy. It is also about having an uncompromising view about the funding. Mental right of this country to protected borders. Australia's government had successfully created a sense of crisis laws were tightened messaging was toughened. But it had also said itself a trap if the boats kept coming they'd carry the blame. Then only twenty fourth of August two thousand and one everything changed. A small Indonesian fishing boat had run into trouble in international waters about one hundred and forty kilometers north of Christmas Island and Australian coastwatch plane spotted the dangerously overcrowded Vom, but the government quickly decided that none of before one hundred thirty three asylum-seekers onboard. The vessel would ever be allowed to set foot? One a stray leeann soil the bird was left to whether a violent storm as a strategy considered. Its next move one of those on board would later tell these d- Morning Herald of a pack that he'd made with his fellow travelers if the boat began to sink, they join hands, and if they drowned they drown together eventually help did arrive not from stray Leah, but from Norway the MVP Tampa onto the direction of the strand, the Maritime Safety Authority was cleared to rescue all those on board the Palo Vom, captain on Renan was then to continue to the Indonesian port city of Nara. The nearest point at which a ship. The size of the Tampa could safely dock. But when the asylum-seekers realized what was happening they demanded it to be taken to a stray Leo or another western nation. A group ended the ship's bridge to confront captain Renan some had threatened to commit suicide. Remember, they said we have nothing to lose two days went by as captain Renan continued to request assistance from the strength government without success. Even went as far as sending out a mayday signal. Still nothing then around midday only twenty nine th of August. The captain decided to coal cameras bluff and proceed into a strean waters. Authorities told him that he was in flagrant breach of a stray Lian law that if he continued he could be charged with people's modeling, and that special as of troops would soon intercept the freighter, captain Renan did turn his ship around twice in fact, but h time he feared that the anger and deteriorating health. Among those onboard presented too much danger. The Tampa continued towards Christmas Island an external. Australian territory despite continued warnings from astray Leo as the ship approached the shore SAS officers, finally stormed the vessel. What a record my gratitude to the main of these striding, Finch fools who are involved in this operation. So is important on like this to remain. The main Engelman of fools are exposed to potential danger reports of an elite security force storming the Tampa delighted those who saw the missile as an illegal invasion of a stray Lian territory and the prime minister was quick to betray it as a successful mission. Peter Tinley was second in command be SAS counter terrorism squad when he spoke to ABC television, he recalled the incident in rather different terms when I spoke to the gods kind back off the boarding pilots. How did you find the group, and they said well bunch of refugees on not sure if I thought about the tread varmint in more. Dave that could have just sent vessel or Santa customers. It was such thing in the area, but I can't help. But feel that the Prime Minister John Howard viewed the SIS as something that would resonate politically to the message of border security. You can't amp it up more in the public's mind than saying, we're going to send in this IS will show you how tough we are on border security, Australia, reached out to Fiji Kiribati, and even the newly independent east team all in search of a country willing to accept the asylum seekers eventually the tiny island nation of now Rupe? What it's hand up in exchange for a payment of sixteen point five million trillion dollars six days after the rescue at sea. The Tampa affair was finally over. But Australian politics would never be the same. We have a proud record of welcoming table from one hundred forty different nations. But. We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come. The two thousand and one elections or John Howard's government, increase its majority. It was an astonishing turnaround for a party that had months earlier being questioning its future. It was partly timing voting took place, just two months after the nine eleven attacks in New York. What might have been a dreary election dominated by tax and budgets had erupted into a frightening debate refugees and terrorism. But even pulling Hanson see that prime minister Howard's victory something to her box of tricks, and as a stray Leah's days down this election that books of tricks as looking remarkably similar polling Hanson is back this time as a Senator and much like John Howard's unpopular goods and services tax, the recent World Commission into the banking sector had set the scene for what many thought would be vote on financial legislature. Then came the medieval. Bill a law designed to ensure that those held in offshore detention centers like now rue are able to receive vital medical care. The prime minister Scott Morrison says it will weaken stray Leah's Boorda's and encourage the people smuggling racket it's a line that worked for John Howard in two thousand and one whether it cuts through today remains to be seen. The Tampere affair may have led to a radical shift in Australia's attitude towards silence acres, but they're now hints that voters are increasingly questioning the policy of indefinite detention. The tricky thing about border protection is that most of the time people only talk about it, Wayne it's not working, but the policy is working as well as the government intends to work anyway. And yet voters are talking about it a wind of political change is blowing once again, and there may be no turning back. Monocle? I'm Ben Ryland.

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Week 10 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, A Dingo Ate My Brady

The Fantasy Footballers - Fantasy Football Podcast

54:40 min | 4 years ago

Week 10 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, A Dingo Ate My Brady

"Omaha Steaks, gourmet holiday gifts makes life easier and a whole lot more delicious, Omaha Steaks has a great limited time offer get twenty eight favorites. That are guaranteed thrill for only forty nine ninety nine. That's one hundred ninety five dollars value. Go to a homo stakes dot com type fantasy in the search bar at the family gift packs to your cart. That's Omaha Steaks dot com code fantasy. Don't wait order today. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from draft dot com studios with your hose, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Reid. Welcome to Joe. Monday. Are you snapping the football? No, I'm getting hype now. Okay. Please. There to look said, hey hut. When you when you're playing when when the top two seeds are playing in your league record. And your team drops a buck eighty. Mike, and I were facing one another Brit Brindisi Brindisi good. I don't know. What bothered me more? The fact that Mike steam scored ten total touchdowns against me. Which bothered me tremendously should've been a labor. I might have been wanting bothered me more that Mike's demeanor changed so profoundly at the studio because when Duke Johnson, I he had Nick shell by Duke Johnson in this matchup was flexing Duke. And when dukes scored it was very close. My kind of melted into a depression and things were looking okay. And then from the moment Nick show Brooklyn ninety two yard touchdown off until I left the studio in tears. Mike's demeanor was vastly different. Jason you can test that. Oh, yeah. I mean, I got I got to I entered into the scene, right? As Mike switched from sadness to he was more concerned. It wasn't sadness. It was. Just at that time. Both of our teams were performing extremely well. So it had turned into this. We are going to be the top two scoring teams on the week. And one of us is gonna lose and it started. It was going back and forth. I didn't know if it was going to be me. But it wasn't. I we assumed we lease that you could not know who the winner was. Yes. Because Andy, you still have saquon Barkley Odell Beckham and George kit left to go, and you pretty much can't we can't win. And thank you Melvin Gordon, Nick Chubb, Mitch Trubisky Davante Adams Brandin cooks, everybody. But been Watson on your team. I love you next up. It's Monday November twelfth what's crazy is he benched carry on yesterday was Veterans Day. So happy Veterans Day to everybody. I was driving in this morning us thinking about my grandfather who recently passed in about five six weeks ago is a veteran of the. The United States army and my great uncle just passed away. He was a marine fun World War Two. And I was sitting here. I was driving in the roads were a little emptier. Some people have the day off and anybody who's not doing the show today with us in the studio has the day off, and they'll they'll be running out of here soon after we get it up. But I was just thinking we get to talk about fantasy football for a living, and we get to make up ridiculously stupid names. And I get to be deeply emotionally wrecked when Mike steam destroys mine, and that is a privilege to get to do that. Thank you to all the veterans yet have honorably served this country. And we appreciate those freedoms we live in such a cynical political landscape nowadays. And there's nothing political about the sacrifice that the every veteran has made. So thank you very much. Happy Veterans Day too. To order. No to one know. Yeah. Back to the trivialities of fantasy. You can follow us on Twitter at the F F ballers the websites. The fantasy football dot com and our community is joining the foot dot com. We've got our Monday one liners we got our Monday puns from Monday punday. Yes. From the foot clan and at the very real winners here. Okay. You're going to enjoy them starting with e bronze Hanes. I see what you did there. Andy dolton. Yeah. Not Ben route ruthless burger. Yeah. He was amazing list. Sean MC Jason lies. He's beyond. I do love them. But I been Rothlisberger. One of the teams in our dynasty league is the worst team of ever seen on paper ever. And I lost. I had a great loss for Spencer ware put up a touchdown on me. But it's all because of Ben ruthless burner in his fifty points. Sean, MC joy. Yeah. A lot of joy, remember, Sean. A lot of people play the jets defense. Oh, but but but betting. I played the in in in our listener league. I played the jets defense against the buffalo defense. One of those was a good idea. Look if you wanted to bet against Matt Barkley you did so on on your own court. Yeah. Your own peril to your own. Yeah. Demise? I mean, totally thought coming Berkeley, you've got Trey gone Smith from my roster gone from my roster trae that was Gustav was so here's to you. Allen robinson. Yeah. What a game. Alan Robson win chew. I like that pooped in is big boy pants Boyd. Yeah. Shoutouts, man. I I wanted. Schuyler phony, Michelle. Yeah. Yeah. Dingo eight mob Brady thing go. Hey Brady, golden Tate, the third string. Oh, that's nice one. And then how about this one? Oh, Jay how weird your quarterback threw for four hundred plus yards. And you got one catch for fifteen years. That's my favorite. Yeah. That was looked fancy football thoughtful is a son of a gun. Sometimes it's interesting. So odds and probabilities you need to win sixty percent of those little you know, the the the decisions. Well, I didn't have ability says. Yeah, you know, this happens or that doesn't and probability did not say Nick Chebet drop it thirty eight burger on me. No. But he did. So that's always fun. Let's get into the rewind. Weekly rewind. All right. Sucks. Yeah. Cooper cop has torn his ACL. Did it week ten against the Seahawks and? Look, there's no two ways about it. This really hurts. The rams. Yeah. Super. I mean, he's a great player. It's incredibly unfortunate for the team for the man for fantasy teams as well. It's just. Really crappy part of the game. But Cooper cop will be out. I mean, it would we would expect Josh Reynolds would take. Yes, his spot. But little more jailed ever. The emergence of Gerald. Advert has been extremely interesting for the Los Angeles. Rams, and I would expect that trend to continue. I don't know if Everett can get to the place where you're actually starting him. But we might get there. Prob. Yeah. I mean, eight eight fancy points two weeks in a row, but I'm not looking that direction. Say we might get there by the end of the season. But probably not if I we've we've done this game before if I had to bet on one I would bet on Josh Reynolds. But I really hope to not bet on one I want, you know, if you have Robert woods if you have Cooper cops. Then then great Andy said. What are Robert woods? Brandon cook. Oh up. You know, Andy said this before the show is like the only worry with one of those guys is that one game. It just kinda goes away from that wide receiver. But now with Cooper Cup gone. I think it's woods and and cooks are very safe. Yeah. I'd I not that they weren't already woods and cooks are great. Speaking of batting though. Red dead Dixon dropped a saying. Single reception. Jason. So you are weekly realize its that important betting. And I started thinking about that we made that I won and the review saying that we. Yes. Dr let's get to that rockstar. If you wanna pay us to talk about red dead were we're completely they've because we do it anyways. Nobody knows what you're talking about. Unless you saw my Twitter, but we got a one star review, which by the way, those reviews really matter and it said sneaky red dead ads and how they liked our show, but they resent the sneaky red dead advertising. And listen man, I wanna be paid by rockstar ply love red dead redemption to, but we share our lives with you and much of my life is out on the wild west right now, I paid for my copy, I'm paid for the upgrade darn right? I did that on you rockstar. I feel I feel ripped off now. Yes. Right. So sadly. On the one star review. I I'm submitting my formal appeal and asking you to go in to apple I tunes in fix that on our behalf. And or get rockstar to sponsor a so, you're right. And then I'll take your wants better Marvin Jones left week ten against the bears of the knee injury awaiting updates. That's unfortunate man, the lives. They are bad. Yeah. If they lose Marvin Jones, and now they come into the season basically having given away Eric E Bron now giving away golden Tate. And then lose Marvin Jones. Yuck. Yeah. I mean, you I guess you like call a day in that situation. But maybe I like a man on an island. You know, the the thing about Matthew Stafford is Matthew Stafford no matter how bad he plays. First three-quarters usually has a decent fourth quarter to make it somewhat competitive. And if he's only got one target I would like golladay in that situation. You guys saw Tara Austin defensive coordinator for the Bengals was fired this morning and Marvin Lewis has taken over as defensive coordinator. Yes. All right, cool. I'm glad you guys know that maybe you get a one game morale bump by of defense is just too bad Juki grant carted off the field with an achilles. Devante Parker exited with a shoulder injury. ESPN's Adam Schefter came out talked about AJ green is looking more likely to hill return in December. Seasons falling apart a little bit for the Bengals right now. Yeah. Just a game out. I don't even know if it's a full game because of the tie. Well, maybe a game in a half. I mean the Steelers are surging though. Yeah. Speaking of achilles to completely saddest season in pro NFL history. We didn't talk about it because we talked about Dez Bryant and what he means. If you didn't hear does Bryant. After having cut cut late too late to sign as a free agent for big money. Finally finds team signs and tears his achilles. Right. Yeah. And so he's gone. And it's probably the I think it's the end of his thing is it could be the end for Dez Bryant. He's already you know, around that thirty Mark. So the recovery will be difficult. You're then you're gonna have to find a team that didn't have a lot of interest is willing to go. Give you another chance. It's going to be a very very uphill battle for Dez Bryant's to make it back and just. Yeah. Cool. Let bell everything was trending in a good direction for less bell last week, including reports that the organization itself thought that he was going to report on ten then he saw Dez Bryant. Yeah. Love Bell's, not going to report. That's what Adam Schefter saying today. And if he doesn't report by Tuesday, it's it's done. This aga- will be over levian bell. Will not be coming back this year. He will be eligible for a third year franchise from the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's not gonna happen because that's QB level. Yes. So Levy on bell will be playing for another team next year. We're going to only goner is safe. Yeah. Sumi comes back from the concussion. Tomorrow will be the final word. I mean, hopefully, we never speak of this again. Yeah. Four somebody signs them. Please don't show up. Chris Carson Sammy Watkins, rob gronkowski. Ran Okabe Anderson all did not play. I have a just a hope for next year. Yeah. Let's get a season. Jason's and owner of the company. So you can't I mean, he it's not much. We can do with them at this point. Oh crap to boot him out. That's not what you're I was. But I like where your head's at. No, this is for the NFL and for fantasy football. Just a season where we don't have one of these ridiculous soap operas, then drinks on for the entire season. I look if you need a soap opera can I get one with an eighth round pick. Yeah. Round pick. I don't need this first round drama, or at least make it General Hospital because that shows good. Wow. I don't know. I've just that was the first one I could think they still do those right? They still do their tumors that still need to be found. There are General Hospital returning from the dead returning from disappear. Long lost twin brothers says at birth now in the hospital. It's really sad. This week's fantasy stud muffins. Continuing to prove Jason wrong. Mitch Trubisky went out to me. Continuing to be motivated three fifty five and three ran in one. Playing conversion and Mitch Trubisky. Played wonderfully having Allen Robinson back was a boon. He's got Minnesota Detroit and the giants next up on the schedule. This is his fourth game with four plus touchdowns. Mitch Trubisky can play football look shout out to our buddy Jeremy for dropping. Mitch Trubisky for me to scoop up off the waiver wire for free this week. I appreciate you, buddy. Yeah. Why was it was funny because in many ways Mike felt stuck with Mitch Trubisky this week because he attempted with zero fab to pick up various replacements or potential dare you one dollar one dollar dollar and everybody kept sniping them. I mean, Russell Wilson disappears and rothlisburger. Yeah. I couldn't get Rondos. Burger I picked up Lamar Jackson not for this week, obviously. But just to keep them away from my for the rest of the season and Mitch Trubisky. Looks like the best of all of them. Big. Ben drew Brees Baker Mayfield and Russel Wilson ended up with solid fantasy weeks. Andrew luck against Jacksonville. He is a big fan of tight ends big big big big fan. I don't know what the percentages of his touchdown passes over the last three weeks. Two tight ends. But it might be over a million percent. I'm not sure exciting. Typically, it could be Marcus mariota stream of the week. Had a good game surprise. They beat New England. So I had to look it up because I'm not going to bet against it anymore. I get it. It's math is broken probability goes out the window with Gabe run. He played on thirty. Let's see I I wanted to it matters to know, it absolutely matters to me in general, but Arabiya doesn't run. Well for tight ends maybe for tight ends. So if you look at for titans named Eric Hebron. Well, if you look at tight ends, they are technically. Like, you would consider them to be sharing that position. Right. Like, it's not a even though the snap counts is thirty eight percent, right. You would still consider Doyle and Brown to be a part of a platoon there. Right. So maybe in platoon tied institutions win touchdowns are such a heavy factor for tight end production. Snap count is not as big of a factor. I'm gonna look into those numbers. We can look there are a lot of situations. Where guys are goal line tight ends in Tonio gates last year or two years ago with under Henry was not seeing the snap percentage. Hunter Henry was seeing. But he didn't put up touchdowns Hebron's doing this. I mean, it's nobody's done it like E. It's just it's a matter of probability like Jason talking about if a guy's out the running more routes he has more opportunity, but Eric Hebron is just he has put a nuclear bomb to that. He doesn't even have to run routes, man. He rushed he had a rushing touchdown. Okay. I'm not. Yeah. But what are the snap counts inside the twenty one of the? Inside the thirty those what mattered more to me. I don't care for your on stake in a rapid at the opposing team's, you know, his own team that that's a more fair point see where where are the snaps actually happening. But yeah, big game. Andrew luck against Jacksonville. Jacksonville season. Looks lost. It's going to be Tennessee in Houston fighting for that division. Some things are shaking out in terms of the divisional races. I mean, Washington won another game. The Dallas upset Philadelphia so running backs Nick Chubb was the big story twenty for one seventy six longest touchdown and Brown's history. A ninety two yard run. He's averaged one hundred and two rushing yards per game. That's deceptive a little bit. But as sept- of number because he ran for one seventy six, but since Carlo side is big on eighty sixty five eighty five and then the monster game. So I mean, he Nick Shaw has been he's been fantastic. And you start him and do Johnson on a weekly basis. Not on a weekly basis. I think you can start child on a weekly basis and Duke Johnson to me needs a certain type of game. Like like this one where we were saying do great play say this though, I mean, we said he's a great play against Atlanta game script didn't go the way. We thought that's true. But the reason he. Was a great play is because Atlanta always gives up pass catching running back fantasy points. And that's due Johnson's. We'll we'll see I mean with with the change over this. We had also talked about the possibility that that kitchens. The new offense coordinator could change things up to me be more friendly for Duke not heavily used in this game. He just ended up what the touchdown Christian McCaffrey the monster week. Hey, who's this guy? Oh. David. Nice to see ninety eight rushing yards eighty five receiving yards. Seven catches two touchdowns. David johnson. He did it. He did it in a game where the implied point total for Zona was very low. And he still put up a monster fantasy. He's going to do it again next week, Oakland Raiders. Yeah. It's great to see. We're going to talk about him. Again, shortly Zeke, Elliot, what was really, you know, we're going to talk about him again. Okay. We're gonna talk about David Johnson. Again, we do this thing called rising stars on the show is unaware that he was and we do we do it later on. And he's going to be my rising star Jason. That's what I was getting that Aaron Jones broken out finally whittled down every bar in that cell broke out the law. Can't find him. No one can find him fifteen for one forty five two touchdowns out. Touched him always eighteen to three and wouldn't you know had wonderful success in the team had wonderful success. Hello mccarthy. It was crazy wa- watching that game. It was inner tore turmoil for me because he was high in my rankings, but I was playing against them and every single time he touched the ball. Look like if it's just run for first down and every time it was it looked like he was about to break off touchdown. He's really good. And then they put Jamaal Charles in the game. And you go or Jamal Williams, and they you go, but I do so slow. He said that's not Aaron Jones now. So I mean, yeah, the breakout has happened. I think he you know rest of season. He's going to be a great start could be a league winner type of player. Zeki LA nineteen for one fifty one and won. The big story was Zeke is he's already at his season high. In catches he's on the field. All the time. Gray game for Zeke against the Philadelphia run defense that was in the top five of the league they need to keep feeding him. They need to give him the ball more and more and more like, you know, to the tune of Todd Gurley numbers every week in. But they all they need to be. Creative as well. And then the targets is a huge part of that. You can't do what they did the couple of weeks ago where the the defense knew exactly what was going to happen. We'll get into some more running back names. I wanna thank pristine auction for sponsoring today's show. Pristine auction the best place for autographs sports memorabilia, they've been sponsored the show for a really long time. 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Let's talk about some more running backs Leonard fournette Jason. Oh, yes. Ace and Leonard fournette twenty four fifty three and a touchdown at a really bad yard precarious numbers. Those are really bad. But when you get a multi touch down over one hundred purpose yards. It's a great start. He definitely disappointed with the efficiency in the run game against the colts. But you can't you can't be too sad with the the point was workload. And he is the clear cut back on Carlos is requesting a trade back to the Browns. I think only three touches Melvin Gordon doing Melvin Gordon things. The nice thing about Melvin Gordon is no matter how much success he's had during any part of the game. He's one play away at this point in time, the Shawn McCoy, what do you think about Leshan McCoy's big performance twenty six thirteen into didn't even catch the ball, which has been the way he's been saving his production for you. Amnesty owners the only had one target. If you wash the game, it was this was old school shady McCoy was it was fun. It was a vigorous to watch because when shady's running liberty when he's the slippery fish. He is an extremely entertaining player to watch. It came on the back of I was being jocular about it. But Matt Barkley was actually a competent quarterback that that's the difference for the Shawn McCoy. He's got the bye week. Josh Allen is reported to be back. If Josh Allen can be competent at all. Then guess shady McCoy is getting the type of volume to be a running back to. But if Josh Allen comes back and looks real bad, then then you're in trouble again McCoy. So it's it's I don't think you can project confidently one way or the other right now where he's going to go. There were two pretty significant games this week that we need to talk about the one one is marking rooms game thirteen for one. Oh, four three for fifty eight in the passing game with a touchdown. The other one is carry on Johnson's game fourteen for fifty one in a touchdown fries and a touchdown through the air. And I think what fantasy owners want to know. Dare I say deserve to know is whether or not it's going to last for these two players the concern with Ingram has been opportunity especially on the goal line. The conservative kerryon Johnson was the return of THEO Riddick and the disintegration of his passing game work, but you had a really big fantasy days. Probably on a lot of benches for Ingram in Johnson. Yeah. I I'm very confident in both players Mark Ingram. He didn't get some crazy new opportunity because what he's what he's been getting. I mean, twelve carries thirteen carries nine carries thirteen this week. But he he's on a great offense. You get the opportunities to score touchdowns which he had through the air three receptions for fifty eight. I I'm I'm very confident in marking is he going to be great every single week. No. There's very few players that just every single week have a great out. But he's not, Al. Kamera Todd Gurley. Melvin Gordon, but he's a he's a very good running back who gets enough opportunity on a great offense. And as far as carry on's concerned that the thing that really really makes me happy is THEO is back six receptions. That's that was the worry right going in with with carry on. It wasn't just I mean, the worry a little bit was match up on the road. Not not a great game. But with the aback will he continue to be used in the passing game. And he was maybe that's why he was this week of the absence of golden Tate, where you've just got, you know, a few more targets to go around to those running necks Ingram and chimera finish the week. Exactly tied is the ninth ranked fantasy running back this week carry on Johnson finished as the twelfth ranked running back. One more carry for Ingram that game got out of hand pretty quick. They didn't even play starters in in part of the fourth quarter. Okay. Let's move onto some wideouts. Tyreek hill two touchdowns. Nice to see some. I had a I had a contact on the chief sideline from last week saying that. He played last week at about eighty percent at at best coming up, you know, how he's banged up and you had your own injury. Andy Reid was concerned about it said he saw hill warming up. He looks kind of restricted he came out didn't look restricted in this game had a big game against Patrick Peterson. I say that say, you know, he was both touchdowns came in the SIEM. But he avoided, you know. No Sammy Watkins out there still had a monster game. They have the Rams next week. Oh, that's going to be such a good game. Yeah. Well, it will be ended man. If the Rams had not held on. Right. Lost the second straight game. And then half. Do you see the chiefs that would have been interesting the slow motion exuberant celebration from head coach, Sean McVeigh? I did not oh in the lip readers have gonna have themselves a time with that after the game. Yeah. It's look the man was very excited. He boards said some things that we don't see on this show. But that man was fired up fired. I we who we see it at boys. Yes. Very good team. Alan Robinson, six for one thirty three and two putting any downers to rest I for now. I mean, he had to be on most people's bench. Right. Yeah. Just because coming off the injury. But I don't know by weeks and stuff. I think if you had him you probably hopefully, you did them Minnesota Xavier Rhodes how confident he destroyed. Darius slay. Yeah. Slay was banged up all week. It'll be interesting until he banged up. Now, it'll be interesting to see what happens with Allen Robinson. And you're right with roads. And what forbi- c can do against Minnesota. Anthony Miller had a great game in that one to Anthony Miller for one twenty two and one. Most my rising star just because he did it with Alan Robinson on the field. Because you know, who didn't do it Taylor. Gabriel right. See that makes sense though, because rookie wide receivers establishing themselves. There's some metrics out there. Nobody gets more separation at the point of break. Then, you know, Anthony Miller is up there with the Tonio Brown's world. Impressive two point two something yards of separation on his route. So it was a matter of time with Anthony Miller Taylor Gabriel's capped. Anthony Miller is ascending. Yeah. So five for one twenty two great game for him. He's going to be a waiver wire target. No doubt about it. Michael Thomas, two more touchdowns ho-hum whole-home doing Michael Thomas thing. Maybe people were able to trade for Michael Thomas in the brief Dez Bryant is their window. I hope so I hope so Corey Davis likes playing the New England Patriots for one twenty five and one on ten targets. Indianapolis, Houston, New York coming up Corey Davis is this gives you kind of the Mirage in the desert every once in a while Marcus mariota, though is actually looking he's been better than the last couple of weeks. Can you buy in or is this a trap? It's trask. Well, if you look I don't know not a trap in the sense that there are plenty of poopers. We're going to talk about and you're gonna have to make a decision. Would you drive? Trae quantum submit to signed Corey Davis. Yeah. Yeah. You do that. So I think there will be decisions to be made. Maybe we'll bring Corey Davis name up again when we talk about some of the poopers and what you do with your roster. Sure Davante Adams, Julio Jones Brandin cooks. You're always starting them. Right. You mean Julio touchstone Joan that is what they call him. Him these days. He's going to have a touchdown every game recipes, ISIS, finally broke and make sense. He gets too many targets. This was just an 'nigma. This is like the coin toss thing for Kansas City that continue by law. They lost. Yes. Yeah. Kansas City had one nine consecutive coin. Tosses? Look eventually, you're going to lose. And when you when you don't cover Julio. Eventually you're going to lose Dante Moncrieff three for. Yeah. When Dante Moncrieff has a game. It has always on the back of a seventy eight yard reception. So you got it this week. What about look we've got a breakout wide receiver with a brand new quarterbacks Jones. Well, Matt Barkley. Yeah. The connection like I said, Josh Allens can nothing I would consider signing Zeh Jones to cut him, right? Just as a way of saying thank you for scoring on the waiver wire an honorary pickup. Yeah. He deserves to as been on the waiver wire he deserves to be signed in cut Eric Hebron three. I sixty nine and two touchdowns on three targets. Also had a rushing touchdown. Sure. E- Bron is on pace to tie the single season. Touchdown record for the tight end. He deserves to be owned. He started Zakar it's against Dallas fourteen for one forty five and two on sixteen targets. He's unbelievable. He is a wide receiver in tight end combined. Yep. In one position he has four of the top ten single game tight end reception numbers in history. One of which was ridiculous. Yeah. Already already in a young careers. Eckerd's is the safest tight end. There is I mean, ideally, Kelsey has a higher ceiling for multi touchdown game. I would agree with the fact that he did not score. Touchdown Zakar Tatham multi touchdown game this week. But the. Safer option is Hertz. Austin Hooper did it again eleven targets. Ten catches every once in a while every once in a while Austin Hooper, you're not going to give me a fourth time. Austin hoover. No, no. What if you started one of the poopers? Well, yes this week. But I'm saying I'm not going to go. Okay. Well, Austin Hooper he's right back at it after his act toil. You're you're signing and keeping Jack Doyle above Austin Hooper. I would. Yes. Okay. Just checking all right is rising star time. Rising stars of the week. Jason. Yeah. Launch you go. I well, I'm doing a little hanging. I'm hanging with Mr. Cooper. Mario Cooper is my rising star look last week. I talked about how you know my mind on one thing. But my body was telling me something very hesitant. So hesitant to start. Like, you couldn't get the words out my body. My. My. I thought that was just the, but my body part, and I just had to let the whole thing play. But my body is telling me yes with Amari Cooper, you've got five receptions and six receptions enough volume enough work with Zeke getting going in the passing game. We were talking about that offense. Looks like it's it's less inept, which is great. But he is the clear cut. You know, primary wide receiver, and he's looked good in that in that system. He's looked good for Dak. And if you look at their upcoming schedule games against Atlanta New Orleans, Indianapolis Tampa Bay. I mean, though, search just they're going to need to throw the ball. He looks like the primary guy. So I'm rising on Amari Cooper, without a doubt, Mike, I'm terrified of yours. I am as well. Get it. And I I think I oppose but go on well you can oppose. But this is I'm bringing them up because you got to add I don't know if we can start him yet. But Reshad Pani, I look I get it. But he was twelve for one away with a touchdown. And then he had the full peach cobbler support after the game saying that's the player that we drafted. He's going to be in a platoon. No matter what this will never be the Rashaad penny show. But what is what is the actual status of Chris Carson, how banged up is? He Carson is a Seattle running back. Meaning you will never know. And he'll be a game time decision and get thirty carries or he'll be a game time decision and get nothing. I mean, I my my were and obviously I'm a huge Rashad penny right truth or from the draft. I mean, he was my favourite running back not name saquon, you know, him and carry on where like my two guys. I think the town is there. I just can't trust Pete Carroll and Pete Carroll's support means nothing because he sports all of his players who Shay to the best. But he I mean, he got just as much work as Mike Dave is not in the passing game. But on the ground had a lot of success. Great. Yeah. And he he did he looked fantastic. I'm just I've got him in this section because I think that he is a a primary pickup at the running back position. If he is available on your waivers. We will have to see how the news trends to see if you can play him or not. I'm gonna put David Johnson in here. David Johnson with the monster game. Look for for weeks. I at least I've been saying, I think he's guys have echoed the fact that if you could have acquired him I mean last week we talked about on the show, Jordan Howard, right? Like, I mean, you you could get David Johnson without paying the David Johnson price for the past few weeks. He is a dual threat running back. And I know that offense is inept, but the cardinal's actually had a pretty good showing they held the the chiefs to their lowest point total of the season. They were competitive in this game for quite some time. And that's not to say they're going to be a winning team. But if their defense can contain people David Johnson's going to get as much opportunity as he got this week. This is much more of a template to the rest of the season with Byron left which at offense coordinator, the passing targets for David Johnson. David Johnson could end up winning people leagues. Certainly in the end when they didn't expect it after the bad start to the season. This is a big difference. We're seeing the difference in offense coordinator. Cleveland and the way it affects that offense. We're seeing it in Arizona in the way defects, David Johnson directly if you call different plays with very talented players, you get more opportunity, and that's what we're seeing what David Johnson. So he is a rising star for me. It makes sense coming off the bye nine targets. It's what we used to see with an office coordinator from what system we used to see an his upcoming playoff? Schedule is great Detroit Atlanta. And then the Rams where in the passing Amy should still have a good game. It's amazing and maddening how much coaching affects fantasy football players. I mean from the absolute demise of Todd Gurley in his second year with Jeff Fisher, David Johnson. If if the cardinals not fired Mike McCoy, David Johnson you in my opinion, just chalk it up. He would be a massive bust a writer season. Yeah. No doubt. You see terrific. His this exact knows offense, by the way. 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Bree. Yeah. Brady is the big one Dalton I wasn't expecting very much from this week. Tom Brady is the big the biggest question of these guys Brady has one touchdown pass in his last three games. And he hasn't looked great. Let's be clear about that. That's one touchdown pass total not one year game. Right. One total. He's averaging a third of a touchdown. Nice. And and I want you guys as a second set of eyeballs for me when I've been watching Tom Brady doesn't look great. His passes aren't on point. Like what we're used to seeing? Do you guys? See see that. Or I I'm really stupid looks. I think he actually looks. Okay. But the offensive line is it's been sacked seven times is causing some problems for Tom Brady. And what we know about Tom is you get him one good lick in game and is an Eminem. He just absolutely crumbles and starts panicking and freaking out. So the preview before these past three games where he had ten touchdowns in the previous four games, his completion percentage and all of those games, sixty five seventy seven sixty eight sixty nine in his last three games. His completion percentage sixty four percent sixty two and down to fifty one in the Tennessee game. So there has been. Statistical, you know, it's more than just a touchdowns. Now getting gronk they're really hoping that grown because ready to buy and then Ataman's banged up. Right now, we I Don did we touch on that in the news Brooks, no gift that Julian Ataman left the game with an ankle injury. And we don't have a further report. So we will keep you up to date on what's going on with that. But that is a cause for concern they force fed Sony Michelle in this game two to Tom Brady's detriment because he didn't have James light on the field. I think that's why you saw the completion percentage. So terrible. Is he did not have the reliable outlet that he needed, and you know, moving into running backs James white Sony, Michelle they both stunk it up the question that people have is what happened while did you see the game score. I mean, that's what happened. They they got beat. Yep. That's that's exactly what happened in for Ryan Fitzpatrick. If you were disappointed the dude through for over four hundred yards. This is why the touchstone. Hundred and three touchstone is so incredibly powerful for fantasy football when a quarterback can throw for four hundred yards. He did have to intercept since NFL. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the phone with the fact that if you had note, no touchdowns means he pooped his pants. I mean, that's that's insanity. It's the most. I believe they had the most yards as a team with three or fewer points since nineteen sixty that makes sense. Honestly, when I when I saw that stat I was shocked that it wasn't of all time. I can't believe there was a game in the sixties where the head three or fewer points with more yards than than what happened. I don't even know how it's possible. Breaking new so good one news. Do I need to find the mediocre signing? Yeah. Are you doing? Are you doing that's a little bit more? We had it. Well, I mean, I don't think we have a right now Brandon Marshall signing a one year deal with the New Orleans Saints to replace Dez Bryant, are you interested. No not. Well, maybe if you maybe somehow not interested, but it it's interesting that trae Quan had zero production and then in this last game. So am I interested? No, am I interested in trae Kwan? No, Brandon Marshall might be on your waiver wire in a dynasty league. That's probably the only place. I'm interested in just throwing them on the huge bench. Just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Did some with someone pick them up in our league? No. I don't know. I thought that's what you are in. No. I was I was not. Okay. Well, yeah. I I should add him in that league. If he is Mike because all of my players, go out every single day. Do I don't have anybody left. I'm sure he's being on though. Yeah. He's he's okay. Thinking. Jordan Howard, Marlin Matt Kenyan Drake Tevin Coleman ITO Smith band games for all five of those guys. Who are you most concerned about man, Jordan Howard? It was one of the five. You just was actually how are you? Are you finally on board? No, I have a clip from the I got some highlights. What's here? Oh, no here. Here's the highlight clip. Waiting. Eleven carries for twenty one yards. That is some inefficient running. And what's crazy is this offense is clicking? This offense is manufacturing scores left right and center. Here's the thing. They were last week too. And he got to touch we know what we know about Jordan Howard is he's going to be the primary runner. So if it's a positive game script for the run and say, the Chicago Bears are up like multi touchdowns against a very inferior. Rush defense than Jordan Howard is going to get it done like yesterday. Yeah. Yesterday against the Detroit Lions when they were up massive in Jordan Howard, gut eleven carries. I I'm concerned Lert. I am concerned with it. But I don't think you should crazy overreact to this. Because I mean, you are doing probabilities, you know, this is still double the carries. It didn't it certainly didn't work out. I mean, he was a huge pooper without a doubt. But I mean, are you you can't just go away from. A guy getting double the carols good solid about expectation and Mike, and I last week who said the same thing. I mean, Jordan Howard is he's touched owner bus. Yeah. And he's he's you know, a flex running Jordan Howard. I'd rather have to recall of years, hold your noses. Jordan Howard right now is Isaiah Crowell double digit Carey's. I mean, you can you can make the exact same narrative for crow L if he scores your super happy. If not you got a guy who carried the ball twelve times for about forty yards. What have you say it in in reverse is I may crawl feel good. Yes. What are you thinking about this Marlin Matt game? I mean twelve twenty nine Jaguars. Yeah. But I mean, just they were up big in this game. Just twelve touches on the ground. I think is a Jaguars thing in in the fact that Marlin max, not a tight end certainly hurts him with. That's one of the biggest problems people were very unhappy with Kevin Coleman as well. That guy. Some people said that if you're bad for Christmas. They'll leave you Coleman under the tree blew up. Yeah. Coal man, coal, man. He he got a little bit shook early on in the game. So I I'm assuming that had something to do with it because he was eleven for forty four got stuffed on the goal line. I was expecting much much better things from Coleman goes weird for the entire falcons team. I mean through it was so bizarre. I mean, they just they got they had a row tail handed data road poop by the Brown. Yeah. Yeah. They went on the road and took a dump collaborate there you go wide receivers of concern. Mike Evans, three for fifty one. Jarvis Landry just two for twenty two in that win. Devin funchess three for thirty two Doug Baldwin fine for thirty nine Doug Baldwin you need to move. It on. And then Al Sean last week pump the brakes for for forty eight golden ages two for nineteen. He was barely on the field in the second half. He does not have enough. And trae Kwan's goose, what do you what's your biggest concern here? I think the biggest concern is Baldwin because he's the biggest letdown. He's a guy that you still keep on roster or this last week. I'm sure many people found him on the waivers and picked them up. One of those like, I think your team's probably better off not having him. That's not to say he can't have big games. Have a good second half of the season. If things turn around. Russell Wilson looked very good. He was running around scrambling a little bit more this last week. But in a game where he was playing we're well where Russell through for touchdowns at scrambled around. You still only had thirty nine yards from for Doug, Baldwin, his more often than not he's going to hurt you more than help you. So I would I would get them off your roster. I want talk about George game since he's returned. He's been worth nothing wanna talk about Jarvis. Because we have two games with the new. Offensive philosophy and in those games. Jarvis Landry is seven targets and five targets and before that he had six straight double digit target games. And if you have a paid attention Baker Mayfield as playing a lot better. I think he I saw the stat of he's the first rookie to have a perfect passer rating while throwing the ball more than twenty times in a game this past week his third down completion percentage. I believe it was the highest in the league as well. So I mean, the Jarvis is not having huge success. Meanwhile, the Cleveland Browns are starting to have success. He's in that. I mean, essentially you gotta look at him as the flex category. I mean, you have a ton of teams on by next week the forty Niners bills the Browns and patriots are all on by next week. So when you are listening to analysis of the good and bad on this show and into tomorrow. Roche? Oh, keep in mind that you have a lot of players on by. And it's not that you. I mean with a lot of these players is not that you can't get a great week out of him. Right. You can get a great week at a tyro Williams. You can get a great week out to Jarvis Landry Calvin Ridley they happen, but they also can lay an egg. And that's why reliability is such a difficult thing to acquire at the position you can play the match up. But you get some pretty rough game so tied ins everyone wants to know what in the world to do with OJ Howard, the one for fifteen and David and joke just one for eighteen. So in a game or Baker was great. Jarvis in joke. Who who you would assume are by far the best pass catching options he has combined for three total catches. Yeah. And now they're going into the bye week. Do you just move on as a fancy on? Are you holding David joke through the Bhai or you moving on from David joke entirely? Well, because I think you have to do the latter. I think you have to let him go through the by. You've probably do in the sense. I mean, a lot of this depends on your your roster your bench size things like that. It's hard to hold tight ends this time of year. So really if you've got a burner spot hold onto him. But if you need to move on I I would not be I wouldn't be holding David and Joe coup and dropping an important wide receiver or running back. I would I would agree with Andy take notice situations Jimmy Graham, just one catch this week. Hey. OJ Howard, Jimmy Graham, you prefer Howard recipes. Yes. Yeah. It sucked sucked fifteen yards when your quarterback throws for over four hundred that really really sucks, but you've got to accept that take the eldest week. Cody parkey, the kicker, right? We're talking about kickers law for a minute because he converted to a four extra points and missed two field goals. That's a bad day at the office. He's still employed as far as I know someone employed is baby. I had someone tweet me that they started the jets and Cody parkey. Oh, no their kicker. Have you started the jets the or the PAT's D this week? You did not give what you would bargain for. Hey, I started the pets. Steve everything was all right for this guy. Oh, man. Yeah. I think you had more to do with the other players you played Mike perhaps. 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BGN Radio #67: Training Camp Review, Day 4

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BGN Radio #67: Training Camp Review, Day 4

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hidden season one of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation look the baseball season is one hundred sixty two games and there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness you could ever want and make sure to check out our other great podcasts including the award winning the dirty inning with just inclu and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Liz rozier subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast. You're listening to be in radio. Why would you listen to any other eagles with John? STOLNIS and randomly count welcome into B._G._N.. Radio this is episode sixty seven brought to you by the fine espy nation and bleeding nation. I in your host Michael Kissed here with the Supreme Leader of B._G._N.. Brandon League out in May Forever Reign Beal G Day four of training earning camp is in the books how you doing brother Mike <hes> the season is back on after being canceled the last time I talked to you so that's very good news. <hes> Latte that you know Carson wentz looked better you bounce back today. We'll get into that but just the fact that you know he's on the rebound. The season is back on <hes>. I think it's fair to say Super Bowl. I agree and it's a good thing we're not being reactionary. Either these these takes I've taken a while to kind of formulate and kind of it's good that we're back in the race for the Super Bowl before beginning to it. I just want to put out some quick programming renting notes here earlier today on fireside chats fourteen. You'll see that's in the feet. I talked with Derek class in a football outsiders. He wrote the Eagles Chapter for the two thousand Nineteen Football Almanac for them so dig into the past in project the future for the Eagles in that one tomorrow I am recording boarding with the Squirrelly Benjamin Sollac for the second installment of our I on the enemy rams edition. Also I'm supposed to be talked with Evan. Silva established the run DOT COM while have fresh press conferences coming for you as well as Doug Peterson and Carson Wentz were at the podium today so a ridiculous amount of content for here on this feed and if you aren't subscribed yet smashed the subscribe button Lee Five Stars Right a fund review whatever you want to do and make sure you're following B._G._N.. Underscore radio on twitter to keep up-to-date with the bevy of shows that were releasing thing as we ramp up towards the two thousand nineteen season and part of that ramp up is our coverage of the eagles training camp and that's what we're here to do today. Bill Gee I on the dock. It has to be the budding connection between Carson Wentz and the returning to hi Sean Jackson. I feel like we talked about it a lot but there's a reason for that number one. It's new and it's also incredibly exciting and each day it feels like they're building better and better chemistry. Tell me about what you saw today. From those two year really encouraging to see Carson winds destroyed Jackson getting on the same page especially after we talked about those struggles in Saturday's practice especially with the deep ball being going back to the spring practices. I feel like Carson into Sean like one of the things we're talking about here on B._G._N.. Radio was the fact that already already in such a short amount of time. They're really already on the same page and they did connect on some deep attempts in the spring but <hes> they were again. There were some issues on this past Saturday that you'd seen Carson Overthrowing Sean Twice so Oh very nice to see them yet on the same page today you had carson making some really good throws <hes> to Sean is clearly not losing any speed even though he's GonNa be thirty three this season I mean there was a play Mike where Carson does hits Sean on short little screen and showing block and there's just open field in front of him and a touchdown like how's it going to be a touchdown. WHO's GONNA catch him from behind? The answer is nobody so that's really cool to see <hes> those two guys already getting connected to the thing deep <hes> there is an issue that today still at Carson did throw a pick to resume douglas it was a one-handed pick on overthrown good play by him when it give him credit but also you know clearly and overthrow Oh by Carson. That's something we've been talking about monitoring this off season. I feel like those two still. Maybe you know not around the same page. Fully I think in the intermediate passing game and underneath even that's how good that seems to be the timing there seems to be good with Sean and Carson Wentz deep passing game just like it's not exactly where you went to be in this. Not You know pushing the panic button right now because they're still all camp and preseason kind of work on that and as I've said like literally every episode this off season this is is their first full off-season were actually being able to practice with each other so you would hope that Hannah helps but overall I thought it was just good for Carson to kind of bounce back and even at the interception he had early in practice so not so you know having this bad practice practice Kinda on Saturday in making that mistake early today but then like being locked in after that and bouncing back to not letting it ruin the whole day for him just an encouraging sign for me yeah and that's a good note on Alshon. It'll be great you know with Sean getting all the hype for being the deep threat that he is. He's going to command some over the top attention and you can't always have to deep safeties. alshon Jeffery is going to get some favorable matchup so it'll be great if they can get on the same page and get that chemistry going as well. It'll be big for the offense and looking at how winstead overall Paul it's good to get the perspective from those on the outside looking in Dan Orlovsky was there and said quote at the Eagles Training Camp Practice Carson wentz is putting on Dane Clinic of anticipation and ball placement and touch and zip in all the things things that pertain to flat out dealing in all caps dealing all cap so unquote there so big day for Carson after an up and down day on Saturday which is exactly what you WanNa see from the franchise quarterback at look speaking of bounceback days you also wrote that Nelson stepped up his game today. What did you think about his performance and how is that wide receiver group shaping up yet Nelson just kind of uncomfortable in the in the slot which is nice to see <hes> he definitely Sidney Jones and of automatics and basically whoever there they were <unk> throwing in there at the nickel position <hes> so that was nice to see? I think that's one thing Carson did well to today which is surprising and his his even as biggest critics will give you that he can hanky can work. The middle of the field may be too sometimes but that was definitely in area that he was locked locked in today whether it was findings ECKERD's Dallas Qatar or notably Nelson Adler again who didn't do so on Saturday kind of bounceback today <hes> just encouraging to see and really you know when we talk about this whole thing about like are there too many mouths to feed discarding enviable distribute the ball evenly so it's keeping everyone happy <hes> these kind of talking points. I thought that's what he did today. He spread the ball around. Obviously he was finding Sean over and over but I mean who can blame him. If it's going to be wide open down the field you want him taking those <hes> those shots when they're they're <hes> so overall. Just you know pretty encouraging to see the offense humming looking in sync for the most part and I don't think it's just like simply bad defense to like it just seemed like good offensive execution for the most as far as excellent and looking at this wide receiver group. We haven't talked much about Mac Holland sincere kind of returned to reality like I think I heard someone say might have been like Bobo for somebody like that saying he needs to hold up like a newspaper with the date on it when he's there but based on what you've seen so far from Mac and look at still early obviously but do you think Holland's is a lock for wide receiver five or could he be challenged by another. Maybe somebody like Braxton and there's so many weapons on challenge. I'm telling you myself the wide receiver five things so let's see aisle Jeffrey Sean jackson-nelson Adler Check Check J._R. segue missing anybody. Who's WHO's going to make this roster? I think he's going to be mad collins as your number five assuming eat healthy and now the latest on Collins is that he did not practice. Disc today on Monday <hes> which isn't great because he you know having that injury history for so long before this point Doug Peterson said it was not related to the Groin which I guess is a good thing mccollum apparently in the locker room said that you should be back in a day or two <unk> I take that with a grain of salt because Macondo said that he thought he should be ready for the week one opening game against the Falcons last year and then he was placed on injured reserve and didn't play the whole season and it really didn't start practicing until training camp so I'm not saying he's a liar. I'm just saying I don't really know what to believe for sure and how much you can take what he says at face value so I'm hopeful I hope to see Mac on's back soon and when he has been out there I don't you know it's not like overly impressive in the sense of like he's making news highlight plays all the time but he's a good like he's catching the ball. When it's thrown on him he looks like healthy and fast? He's been on the field so I definitely think he makes this team as a fifth receiver especially because he has that background for being a special teams Demon Kinda contributor guy whatever you WanNa call it special teams as so I think the fact that that you know he has that going for him really helps me yesterday healthy. You know that's the big thing that's I guess the only kind of reason why he wouldn't be on the team is just can't stay healthy Wrexham Miller actually had his best day of literally the entire offseason today because I know a couple times but other than that he's been invisible so I just I can't see it and he's practicing like third fourth string so he's he seems to be way down the depth chart the other guys to watch for that kind of you know Maybe v six receiver spot or Charles Johnson who is obviously obviously a veteran guy and has experienced the A._F._c. all-time leading receiver <hes> had a better spring. I would say camp so far haven't noticed him as much <hes> than shopping Gibson who dropped a routine pass today's hands and still an issue and then you have a guy like Greg Ward who was getting some first team reps spot. I really don't think you know Nestle be much of a thing so I don't even know if they keep six. They meant just keep five and in Mac I would say is probably going to be that guy yeah a lot of guys hanging around that have hung around for a while on the outside side looking in right now with all the talent at this wide receiver position so wide receiver five is still something to look at here hopefully Mac and get back healthy going back to the guys that are dealing to the wide receivers. Let's go back to the quarterbacks for a second here. Nate Saalfeld Clayton Thorson Cody Kessler. How did the trio of backups look today because from what I heard Thorson had like one of the worst passes in camp history not saying something that was doing Kamsky who said that I believe in I mean Clayton? Thorson just hasn't had off season Mike again. I think of that one O._T.. Recap I did with you literally the first day I was like oh <hes> didn't look so bad that was easily his best day and that wasn't even like overly great. It was just like okay. He didn't totally suck that day but he's been and dad since today I just remembered to passes that went towards the sideline where the ball was extremely overthrown receiver didn't have a chance to make a play in bounds and vase early wobbling in the air to I wonder if that's something eagles do with the with their quarterbacks quarterbacks in terms of mechanics because I remember Carson really having a wobbly throw as a rookie early on his career so I don't know if that's related or what but Clayton Thorson definitely throwing a wobbly ball right now in the throw that Jimmy was talking about was basically arm punt like he just he threw it in <unk> pot because there's enough time for everyone to like get like face forward you know like towards like back towards the line of scrimmage in wait for the ball to get there so just really really not good from him. I would say <hes> Cody Kessler who didn't look good in the spring practices in fairness to him. You know he only signed with the team. I think a week or so before O._T.. As we didn't have a ton of time to get into the playbook before he really got the reps live <hes> he's looked okay. I think he's looked better than Clayton Thorson. I would almost describe the situation as like I'm thinking Mike they're gonNa keep Clayton Thorson on the team. I'm hoping they do on just in the sense of like you took this guy with a fifth round. Pick when you only five picks so right. You'd better be this like developmental project at that point but I think if it was a situation God forbid or Carson Wentz went down for extended period of time in Southfield is your starter. I don't think they while we'll see how they feel me personally. I don't feel like uncomfortable with Clayton. Thorson is the number to that point. I think they would resign cody Kessler and make him the two and Thorson the gist there the point of that all that being like. I don't think there's anyway Thorson sees the field. This series to seems like way way not ready for that. Yeah I was GonNa ask you about that. Thorson was like my least favorite pick of all of them having done. The pre-draft work on 'em Kessler has starting experience in the N._F._l.. Whether he's great bad average or otherwise that's more than Thorson has right now so I was going to ask you know. Do you think Thorson gets objected to the practice squad because each day it seems safer and safer in regards to the possibility of him not being poached which isn't a good thing but it's a thing yeah I think I guess I would feel like no one's going to go after Kessler hard <hes> so like again you could Kinda keep on the roster in like if there was an injury and you had to resign Kessler I think you could <hes> I don't think they would want to expose Thorson to possibility of some other team trying to just take a shot on him in the case of them cutting putting him just because they've already invested this resource in they seemingly have some kind of vision for him. Although <hes> as you guys you in Ben have said here on E._S._p._N.. Radio and myself like I don't think any of us were fans of that. Pick not even just from a like N. evaluation side but awfully a process side. It's like what's the upside year like. The best case outcome is that he can be like an okay backup. I guess behind Carson Wentz next year. If seinfeld leaves in free agency right is that even a guarantee like what fell doesn't get ah what he wants in terms of like at least compete for a starting job so I don't know does not looking like awesome pick right now. Let's stay with the offense for one more and kind of I guess I that I read that. Mile Sanders was getting some work as a returner today. He was US <hes> kick returner now he did some of that at Penn State. I believe thirty eight career returns over his three seasons there with the nittany lions not really a great returner in that regard that humid like twenty point one yards cards particular turn so I don't think he'd some dynamic weapon there but he was getting looks along with some of the other like Boston Scott or Donald Humphry those kind of running backs. I'm sure corey come. It could get some looks there. He Esley the main guy once he gets healthy. In the regular season the Mile Sanders no I will switch Mike to the Backfield <hes> the much more exciting use mile sanders because when you see mile sanders run like he is so clearly a different kind of running back in the in the sense of this guy has sixty nece explosiveness explosiveness and he just don't see that same kind of like dynamic ability from any of the other eagles running backs leaky is very unique in that regard on you. Can you can see like you can watch play before the play. Let's say you didn't even know who running back was so you just have to play in based on how the play goes and how the run goes like okay. That's Mile Sanders just because it's that's like what he has. You know he's been mixing it the first team I still think Jordan Howard is getting most of the looks there and that's probably not an accident and I still think that's how it's GonNa go especially at least early on in the season with Jordan Howard kind of being that one a in the rotation whereas sanders were of the one be so I kind of think that's where it's at right now so that is encouraging to hear about Mile Sanders definitely a different type of back than than Jordan Howard Howard in terms of explosiveness Burstyn and lateral agility and all those things so hopefully he's able to make his stamp on this team sooner than later so that's the offense aside of the ball. We're going to get to the defensive side of the ball after the break here on B._G._N.. Radio we'll be right back. Baseball truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every week along with John Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Strunk as we discussed all the ways the phillies have hurt us on our podcast hidden season as well as historical anecdotes anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on our other shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribe to the good fight and you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stat stats together. We'll survive whatever baseball can throw at us and we are back on B._G._N.. Radio episodes sixty seven brought to you by this nation bleeding green nation Michael kissed here with Brandon League out who had boots on the ground at the novacare complex. We already covered the offense. Let's switch it to the defensive side of the ball. It will go front to back starting with players on the interior of the defense. You wrote that Timmy Jernigan is looking healthy and Hassan ridgway the former colts player that the eagles traded forward during the draft made a splash play house the depth shaking out in the teeth of this defense yeah really good really encouraging to see Tammy Jernigan healthy. He's obviously getting some or all. The looks with the first team given that Fletcher Kocsis than doing <unk> team drills yet so a good to see during against that explosiveness now really fired Jordan backfield today to tackle Jordan Howard who you know so what you will about Jordan Howard but he's a big dude like he's strong. He's physical us over to me Jernigan to take him down in the backfield like that isn't dislike the easiest thing in the world certainly he's taking down boss Scott Donald Humphry good job by Tammy Jernigan to do that and also love the energy that he brings again <hes> taunting the offense in dancing after making that play there are rambunctious grip. I love it they are I love that like I was talking about that. With vinny Saturday's it is podcast they just they played with a lot of energy and I think there's something to be said for that. I think he kinda like they play. They have fun. Basically you want your guys having fun. That's good to see any <unk> with ridgway. He's kind of been getting some Gas Little Bit from the coaching staff. I know Jim Schwartz has mentioned him like at least twice now. Eagles obviously had some kind of I for him in the sense that they traded to pick for him. It was a very late seventh round pick but still you know like they went out and actively pursued him so they have some kind of interest. I definitely think he's on on on the on the bubble for sure if he's making the roster hundred percent but I think he goes WANNA be deep obviously at that defensive tackle and really at defensive end to they WANNA be deep on the defensive line so there there's certainly not going to be averse to keeping extra guys at those spots in ridgway could be one of those guys who Kinda sneaks on and get some time in the defensive end rotation might even be out playoff euro trayvon hester not not sure but I don't think that's impossible. Yan Ridgway was a guy that Indianapolis like but but he just couldn't crack the rotation there and he's only twenty four years old and I was going to ask you if you were to write the fifty three men roster prediction right now if he would be honored out but it sounds like he's firmly on the bubble sets a situation monitor in terms of who makes it out of that that backup group there as a follow up. Are there any other notes from either the interior or the edge players were speaking about here that happened today at training camp. The new Stephen Means Joe Oestmann himself like when I saw him today definitely be <hes> Jordan my Lada who was playing right tackle during eleven on eleven next next moved to get inside on my ladder in for some pressure on Saad failed I would say he got there in time for the quote. Unquote Stack obviously no contact with quarterback in these kind of drills but he got there in good time. Oestmann also had a nice tackle for no gain in run defense so so he's been active <hes> again a guy who probably in my opinion doesn't really make the roster <hes> and even if he does what you're like fifth defensive end but I think he can be very valuable at least like a practice player for the Eagles Guy who gives a lot of effort in practice right this is not gonNa make things easy for the offensive line and hopefully they can kind of appreciate that like the Eagles did with Steve means you know who would go hard as hell against the offensive line in practice Elaine Johnson would say like he would appreciate that because it would give him <hes> it would push him basically in it would give him good looks <hes> depending on the matchup they would go against Stephen mean to try to replicate the pass rusher that the eagles were going to face in ocean was kind of that guy last year so you can kind of see why he gets some Buzz in the coaching staff likes him. He can kind of do some things I also saw. Dejean Hall <unk> absolutely dislike obliterate Ryan Bates who's playing left tackle <hes> he he put him on the ground basically right after the ball is snapped so that's Kinda you know I think Bates Ben talked about. That's a guy that he goes consider drafting. They like him <hes> he might be better suited for some kind of interior role definite yet but the eagles are trying him out offensive tackle left tackle specifically for now. There are some struggles out there so I will say that yeah. They is definitely a guy that you WANNA kick in but he does have experience experience as a tackle so even if it's bad you know they liked that that versatility will give you something a little bit <hes> moral on that offensive line. I really liked the matchup between Joel's men and my lot because Oh spin while not like the most craziest athlete very technically sound down type player going against a green guy like my Lotte who's progress. Were obviously going to be tracking through all of this and let's go to linebacker position will go to the second piece of the three different levels of the defense. I had a buddy of mine. That's connected to the Stanford. Program asked me about Joey Alfieri's chances to make the roster so we'll ask that here and all throwing the Wisconsin Linebacker T._J.. Edwards the undrafted guy who impressed during rookie minicamp you think either of these guys got a chance bill considering the depth at linebacker right now. I would say l.. Fury no chance a home. I would say Edwards like he's. He's Kinda I would if I had to make my roster today probably leave him off but I think he's like in the bubble conversation. I mean yields gave him. The most guaranteed money out of all their undrafted free agent signings signings thought that T._J.. Edwards could get drafted so you know it's not like he's just coming out of absolutely nowhere awesome good things from him. In the spring <hes> saw him being physical today and really since the pads have gone on so I've seen some nice things from him mm-hmm. I don't think it's not necessarily to be on the roster just yet but hey like Paulos hurt you know we we know the Eljay for topic thing is a consideration to be had the Edward really steps up you know he can. He can make his case. I think at the very released he's going to be on the practice squad and there's a path to him. Potentially especially of injuries happen at that position where he might be able to sneak onto the roster. I would say the biggest thing right now. Mike Linebacker is the play of our own favorite. Favorite Kamu grew day hill <hes> you know he's already talked about this with you but he's he stepped up in my opinion in a significant way I think right now it's really looking like like he's going to be that second. Linebacker behind Nigel Bill Bratton in terms of snaps played. You know we know the eagles really only used to linebackers for the most part I think comedy is going to be that guy right now and so being here for him because he's going into contract year so this is a really big opportunity for him to have a nice season and he might price himself out. <hes> the eagles rains. Unfortunately I would be very unfortunate to me. I would love to keep calm around but you know kinda him involving from not only this special teams leader in obviously he was the special teams captain last year and he's led the team in special teams tackles over the past couple seasons now kind of becoming honest contributor more significant fixture on defense and really interesting because when you're looking at this roster may be more so from outside perspective for like a you're not paying attention to the common thing you're thinking Zac. Brown is going to be that guy hi to see reputation. I mean you have Doug Farrar saying he's like one of the top ten linebackers in the league like he wrote a post about that earlier this off season like so we had Derek class into earlier today from football outsiders saying that he was one of the best linebackers in the league last year as well so. The perception outside of Philadelphia backgrounds definitely getting the starting snaps but Komo has the coverage skills the athleticism and all that stuff he puts together. I really do think he has a shot to be a three down linebacker for the Eagles yes so I don't think Brown will never play at all. I think it's almost more of like ease this team's Michael Hendrix in that whole have some kind of role and he might even make some splash plays and it'll be like the Kendricks thing like wisely playing more in part of the answer to that I think would be that first of all like ten. Dixie doesn't really call a defense. He's never done that in his career and the other thing is that like for splashy as he can be might be a thing where the coaching staff thinks he's not always the most assignment sound player in a player they can kind of trust to be in the right spot always so <hes> that's kind of where I'm putting wouldn't that right now now to be clear Brenham not practicing background is on the field in base but you know this team is not going to be in base most of the time yeah and as a commutes reuther that's fantastic news everything we discovered there. He's making me look smart. All right third level of the defense. The secondary was like already tuft Sir Project in terms of what the starting nickle package would look like a nickel being essentially the eagles base defense really that hasn't become any easier in the last couple of days with the signing of cornerback Orlando scandic the Longtime Dallas quarter who spent last year with the chiefs his longtime nickel corner but last year was outside with the chiefs. I said this on twitter and I'm wondering your take on it. Will I have my criticisms of Schwartz. I don't think he gets enough enough credit inside of Philadelphia for his willingness to adapt and experiment and I really believe that this May bear itself out with the cornerback this year in the regular season with several players having inside outside versatility training the firmly in the mix. Thanks for a matchup and situational roles. I guess the best way to put this is an and I don't expect this to be like an every down type thing but are we headed towards more specialization with this cornerback position headed into the season where it's less about ingrained starters and more about playing lying matchups in situations because that's Kinda feel that I'm getting with how the rotation has worked this camp while they searched for permanent answers there. I think that's a good assessment. Mike because I think you can think of the same way in offense like you can say that you're not necessarily you're going to play D._J.. Whiteside you know in this huge role every week there might be a game where he gets more a lot more playing time or or more playing time than others or same thing with the running backs like maybe is a certain week where you're feeling better about having a more physical running back in Jordan Howard as opposed to a flashy guy <hes> like Mile Sanders so I think that can apply to the defense too. I think the might not always get thought about that way but I think that makes a lot of sense and I think when you look at a gym shorts defense and you look at his philosophy on things <hes> he's talking about how and the way he really puts things into action executes things like he wants more defensive backs on the field ideally him you know bigger linebackers. That's why you see the eagles place almost nickel and dime and why Corey Graham was on this team for for way too long so so they're gonNA want more defensive backs on the field and if the options that's part of the thing like that. They're running out Atlanta right now. That seems pretty passable right. In terms of Sidney Jones looking good Vantera Mannix. We know what he can do and Rassoul Douglas so I think has had a very good off season in picking right up where he left off in the regular season in the playoffs even last year when he was playing well and that's not even factoring in Ronald Darby who when he's playing at his best I think is is a very good cornerback in even even if you don't like if you like this team things that you know they paid him for a reason that's the Ben's on the jail mills in the in the mix as well so and for all his faults and you definitely have some we know he's really getting the red zone like the numbers bear that out <hes> <hes> yeah so. I definitely think that's possible they kinda mix master. These guys figure things out and that's part of what the offseason is for like Kinda playing with different lineups in the eagles did that again today where for the most part it was maddox on the outside and Russell Douglas on the outside with Sidney Jones in the slot they went to a base rep where it was Sidney Jones and Russell Douglas as you're outside Cornish definitely mixing and matching things and I think they're trying to see what works best absolutely anything else on the defensive side of the baller just in general from your observations from the day today before we get Outta here. If a scandal the second team nickel defense <hes> the Craven Leblanc injury you know that's kind of interesting to me in the sense of so many parallels with mills right you never know what to <hes> to think because yet deal mills last year in week against the Jaguars reportedly suffered a quote unquote foot sprain and he was quote unquote week to week and ultimately ducts big yet and Doug's week which typically isn't a good thing because Richard Writers also week to week in the preseason after the second preseason game in <unk> come back to like halfway through the regular season so going back to the mills strap thing though like same terminology week-to-week both foot sprain apparently in terms of reports Doug Peterson didn't officially say what it was he won't because he's not gonNA divulge. Is that now so it's kind of weird to me when I when I see these reports that like craven could be back for week one like okay maybe but looking at the history of what happened with steel mills and I get the different players they're different people. The extent of the injury could be different but like it's just. I don't think we should just assume one hundred percent that craven. We'll be ready for week. One especially with the eagles you know going out not only claiming ounce ground on waivers who's just can't body but still like the they did. Not you know something sparked them to both get quarterback back your body and then also go out and get Orlando scandal who you you have to look at it from his perspective like did he really come here to Philly just to eat up reps in training because he worked out with the Vikings as well as we know that happened yeah so you know what I mean like what he come if it was just like you've no chance of making the team like I don't think so you have to sell him in order to sign him to get him to agree. You have to be like well. You know there. There is a chance for you to make this roster so <hes> these going to have that opportunity opportunity if strap is going to be hurt here and miss some time <hes> which wouldn't be ideal. I think the situation is that were into skin does not make the team because I think he's kind of just cooked for the most part at this point like I just don't think it's an ideal situation means wearing along snappers number right now might ask the Jersey number analytics on forty five for a quarterback when you think about I mean that's terrible. I mean he should be cut immediately like how can wear along snappers number I mean does he does even position. He's playing. He might he might think he is the long long snapper so kind of concerning but yeah just that'll be kind of interesting to monitor to see does Orlando scandic actually make this team. The cell will be following that throughout the week. When is the next day off for my own own sanity and schedule here what is it Friday is that that were because Hashtag no days off year inclination and B._G._N.? Radio but yes so they'll have all Friday so they practice again Tuesday morning nine fifteen it'll be another full practice and then Wednesday seems like you kind of shorter day might be a ten ten ten end day and then Thursday of another practice and I imagine one of these next three days we might see them go lies because they're gonNA live at some point here. Maybe they'll be right before that Barack on Friday so that'll be something to definitely watch out for as well and as always we'll have of coverage of it here on Megyn radio and bleeding gunnison dot com. Make sure you keep tuned to those that's going to do it for B._J.. Radio episodes sixty seven like bill. We've got a full week ahead of us. We're rolling right into the preseason men. The first preseason game is August. I The hall of fame game is so very close real football action coming your way very soon. Make sure you keep it here on B._G._N.. Radio and we'll get your next time. Hey there podcast Powell's. I'm John Stolnis. 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Final Mock Draft + Big Charity Bet Episode 030

Fantasy Football Overtime

34:41 min | 11 months ago

Final Mock Draft + Big Charity Bet Episode 030

"Welcome to the fantasy football overtime podcast, I'm your host Jason Ski with me as always are tyler, Hollerbach and Matt Win. Less than one week away from opening kickoff. You guys. I'm like a kid on Christmas Eve just it's an open up those presents I cannot wait for this to happen. Yeah. I cannot wait as well. Like you said, we're six days away. I was still riding high from jeopardy victory man things are good right now what's coming up in six days? What coming up in the sixties NFL? How about you kick off? Little little. That's happening. Yeah. Fantasy football podcast you should probably know that okay. What's going on today Fellas? Well, we are going through our final mock draft of the preseason season whatever you WANNA call. Yes. We know you do mock draft smits. Never know what can change the way we're doing it today though is going to be best ball format. So essentially, what that means if you're unfamiliar with a best, ball fantasy football league is we're going to draft a team today Tyler Jake, and I are all going to be randomly picked for our draft slot. Shortly in this type of league, there is no move so we can't make any trades we can't cut anybody we can't pick anybody up. Whoever we draft today are the players that will be on your team for the whole year and then automatically inserts the best players into your lineup each week. Yeah. We're going to go full PR quarterback two running back to receivers tight end to flex, and then ten bench spots just to give the best score a little boost. Yeah. You need that flexibility in a bus ball and we'll be drafting this on fantasy pros checking out their mock draft. Yeah. On ESPN sleeper now, fantasy prose will give them all a try if you guys have learned anything about us so far it's that we love to make bets Oud. We Love Bets. So we're not just doing this league for fun. We're going to throw a little bit down on it tyler do you WanNa tell that bet is going to be I am really cold just thinking about it how about you jake it's like ninety five degrees. So I'm good. I'm pretty warm at actually seems pretty good right now what you're about to say. All right. So the losing to so second place third place out of the three of us have to. Do the polar plunge in March probably what the polar plunge can. Now I'm call us and our goal. So polar plunge is a big charity event where this charity puts it on cuts a big hole in the middle of a lake. Yes. Whole. There's ice on this lake F Y Yes, a cuts a big hole in the middle of the lake and you have to jump in and it raises a bunch of money for charity. Yeah. It's a super super cool event. It raises tons of money for a very awesome charitable cause and it's also really cool to watch your friends suffer for about ten seconds. You're right it's GONNA to be. Awesome seeing you to jump in. We'll livestream that too just to get instant reactions I think that's the best way to go about that. Yeah I will for sure be filming you guys I'll make sure that I put that on our facebook at F. F. O. T. podcast and twitter GONNA put on twitter too. Yeah. We'll put it on everything I might make an instagram account and put it on there too. Sure. Good four we get to that. I want to ask you what is your Sunday a ritual you know what you do you wake up you know whatever the next steps are before kickoff for me it's make a nice big. Breakfast about eight. Am Few eggs maybe some bacon. Every Sunday. Every Sunday. Okay. Tyler's for for breakfast some breakfast and then set some draftkings lineups usually between ten and twenty of them. Do some research make sure on my lines or solid for the day body eleven o'clock check the weather sure. There's no changes in any weather and then sit on the couch for ten hours watching some football matt what's your ritual? Yes. So on football Sunday ritual I wake up pretty early because I have a hard time sleeping because I'm so excited quadruple check all of my lineup's all throughout the morning, but then I make sure to drive to the nearest. Big Old Burrito load that thing up sometimes they have trouble folding it and rolling it because it's so big gotta go double wrapped then. Yeah. Sometimes you do and then I come home and I sit on my couch and kick my feet up in I. Watch football for about twelve consecutive hours. I get Red Zone I hang out with Chris. Hanson. Love Chris. It's great guy. Scott. Hanson Kristin Scott. Chris. The Guy Catch a predator. Also. Chris Hansen. That's why I said that I think it's Scott. Whatever his name is. He's awesome and I, watch it all day Jake. What about you? Part of my ritual is thanks to Matt. I also go ahead and get your Poland once they open up man I used to be roommates. So he got that ritual stuck in my ritual so get. The bolay and yeah, it's get the police down e check the lineups makes there's no late injuries in the late scratches this year especially with Covid make sure you look for those pickups and everything too. So pretty pretty same ritual Nice Jake we bring him back some coin flips for this episode, we're going to bring back some coin flips. It's been awhile. So I got a few here for you guys. We'll see what you think. Let's do it. I one full PTR wants you to think about that. Don't think about ADP just player versus player get got it. Got It. Clyde Edwards layer versus Michael. Thomas Micheal Thomas Thomas Clyde versus Julio. Julio Clyde Clyde versus atoms collide versus Hill Clyde Clyde. There it is. I wanted to find your breaking point there tyler right there. The only wide receiver that I'm taking oversee Eh is Michael Thomas. I. Knew Yours I wanted his I'm just clarifying perfect. All right. Moving on to the next one here James White verse three. Cohen. Cohen. especially not with that Montgomery Torri. Cohen. Depending on the David Montgomery and I think even without that. A lot of standalone value. No matter what no matter what no matter what. I think they have the same role. I actually thought that would be a lot harder tossup between the two of you, tyree. Cohen either way get. Tony Pollard Shay Sediment Chase Edmunds Pollard fully healthy. Kenyan. Drake Pollard verse admits it's still going to be chase edmunds because Elliott doesn't break down and we haven't seen Kenyan drake with a full workload yet take an edmonds all day stop hollered get Alexander Madison Verse Latavius Murray Murray Murray Madison versus Pollard Madison Pollard Madison versus Edmonds Edmonds Madison Global Disagreement there on the on the handcuffs I like it for me. I'm looking for a handcuff where. The starter gets injured a lot. It's a different story. If you're like both of the starters are injured, which one would you rather have a for me there's such a better chance at Alvin Cook is going to get injured than Ezekiel. Elliott. So that's why I'm going Alexander. Madison over like a Pollard All de Politics stugotz value. That's why like him over Yeah Week Value I agree with both of those are a couple more todd Gurley DJ or. Their reasoning. Back. When in doubt picking back exact same thing early because he's running back. James Connor versus Kelvin Ridley when in doubt go connor all that one I'm going to go Calvin Ridley just due to injury concern. That's the last one I had for you. Guys, Nice? Never. Never disappoint Jacob. Oh thank you. I like you can tell the coin flip should get in better. Deeper into the season more research gone into these answers. Yes. They are like it. I like the little liberal discussion disagreement between the two of you. All right. Let's jump into this mock draft and see where were draft in loading, loading, loading off Mac up one. I got pick four and jake got picks sick match for the board. Hoodie got here Matt like this is the question. This one is extremely obvious. It is Christian McCaffrey Regardless Aqua your style is you take Christian McCaffrey first overall and that's what I did Mexico's Saquon Barkley. Dalvin Cook and it's on me little surprise Delvin at three tally In easy pick as well. Thought four would be a little bit more tricky while we're going to lock in some Zeke Club here. Yeah. This is going to be difficult. It's not difficult. Thank you number five for taking Michael Thomas that's easy. Pick for Alvin Kamara number six, lock it in. So we all got our big running back. Yes. We did Tyler. What do we got the rest around one rest of round one we have Joe Mixon C. H. Davante Adams. Josh Jacobs Derrick Henry, and then nick job. So I am on the clock the beginning of round two. We have the Andrea Hopkins tyreek Hill Julio Jones Kenyan drake. Mile Sanders Austin. `Jay Yeah I. Don't like those running backs that went ahead of me. That's normally the three that I would have targeted there. So I'm GonNa do something a little bit different than we what we preach here at the fantasy football time podcast GONNA go Travis. Kelsey. ooh. GETS THE BIG TIGHT END? Yeah. Think in Best Ball format I need that advantage at tight end this. So I'M GONNA WANNA ride that yeah I like it that. Is Good in the best ball formats can sway your pick here I. Don't think. So okay we do have Aaron Jones's went off the board. Let's see who we have here. Wide Receivers Godwin Golladay, Robinson running backs for not Connor girly Carson what do you think thinking might also go tight end? Are you on Lenny? Lock in Lenny Locking Lenny or maybe I'll snap snag up that early quarterback Yeah Lenny still on the board though Tyler, you know Matt wants money. So you obviously, we're GONNA follow Jay I'll take George biddle. look at you guys. Yeah. Changing things up see what happens all your boys gone boy is gone and then Godwin. All Right, Matt you're on the clock for back-to-back picks. Walk us through what you're thinking here. I'm thinking I got some pretty obvious picks in front of me. I'm looking at Todd Gurley who still there I'm shocked that Tyler took a tight end over todd. Gurley is banged on being around three Oh he's ninety. Three Um, but I love having McCaffrey who is as safe as it gets todd Gurley is a little more of a risk, but he is an absolute stud I. Think he's going to be solid in then I might spice it up and do something you wouldn't expect with my next pick so I'm going girly Lamar's coming up. Mar, it might be the receivers are Allen Robinson Kenny. Golladay or DJ more. Those are really the only ones that are even consideration right now, Juju also on the clock, but Matt just ignores. That, in a best ball league, I want the guys that are going to just ball for you. We are Kennedy with Lamar Jackson. Yeah, we knew we knew we predicted. That's interesting in best ball format because the madden curse is real next off, we have od be and Mike Evans? Mike. Evans was thought on here just for the best ball type that boom and Michael Evans Michael Evans now we have Allen Robinson Kenny G. DJ more Phelan Cooper Woods think this has to be Alan. Robinson here lock it up double check in here. Make sure you're not missing anything. Is still sitting there. Looking at you, lanny is there what basketball we can draft some some question marks at quarter or at running back and they might pan off. So we're going to lock up for sure wide receiver Allen Robinson will thank you because I thought for sure you're going to take my pick between US DJ more went Chris Carson no actually I'm going to go running back. Oh, lanny it's not James Connor. It is James Connor talk about upside Best Ball Kenny G., E. J. More Lenny DJ SHARK AJ Brown do Jews ECKERD's at three theline Cooper Cup. Mark Andrews Kevin. Ridley. Amari. Cooper off to Jake Oof. Turn a lot of my wide receiver targets are gone your boy Lockett still there he is. However, that's not going to be my maybe what do you think I'm going wide receiver Robert Woods is still there are either looking at Robert Woods, Tyler Lockett Scary Terry Keenan Allen Sutton so I lied I'm going running back who just stock in them up. Ends up going Jonathan Taylor I like it I like where I was going to go looking at that. If you got back courtly Sutton wins I, happen to me, click the running back position here and I, saw his name pop up and I said Oh that's a good one now here I'm Linden. Running back we have Bell Gordon David Johnson is where we are at their wide receiver we are at Lockett or woods nick. We really have to go woods here in baseball it's not the greatest, but you do need some some points in their wanting to lockup woods. Yep. You GotTa have points at all positions right to call. A. Hot. Topic all right after Tyler took Robert, Woods love, Bell, and David Johnson went out the board I know Matt, you weren't targeting either one of those. I'm perfectly fine with those go off the board. So I'm trying to figure out what route I want to go. I got scary Terri. Tyler Lockett decay metcalf. It's kind of tempting to go lock it an metcalf in a best of all you can just let whichever one of them ball going to my lineup I like that but I think I'm GonNa take the one that I think is the best player and go with scary Terry as well. I'm still looking here I have Lamar Jackson Christian. McCaffrey and Todd Gurley. So I, feel pretty good at those spots my first pick I am going Tyler Lockett Mixon's, and now my comes down to either scary terry or decay metcalf. If I want a pair those two up in a regular draft decay, metcalf wouldn't even be thought after taking lock it but that's the difference with best ball is whichever one of them goes off automatically gets put in my lineup. So it's a lot more enticing right now, but I'm not sure if it's enticing enough to take him over scary terry who am really high on year you out my my advice here I mean yeah. Listen to it. Sure Take Prescott. Oh. God You need a backup for Lamar. Yeah you do better. Take Lock Them Up. What's IT GONNA be Tick Tock Gary Terry fifteen seconds near my it's gone. All right next to Shawn Watson devante Parker deshaun before tack you don't see that too often you don't. So it is on me here I am leaning manse decay metcalf just so I can have all the points and he doesn't get any. We're also my head at cream hunters here I do like that. I'm currently sitting Z. George, kill Allen Robinson and Robert Woods let's lock up cream hunt. Yeah. I was thinking about cream if I didn't have to running backs I for sure would have gone with Kareem Ingo three it's fine. You'll. You definitely can. But. All right. So Matt or Holler back took haunt team five between us took metcalf is that where you're at what I wanted? The beauty of getting McCaffrey in the style is unless things don't go according to plan, he will be one of your running backs you're using every week. So you just need to get one more running back that really chips in. So that's why I didn't go. Kareem Hunt. I like. So God, what am i GonNa do now what are you thinking I am Really torn I mean I know I need wide receivers so I'm going to it's probably reach but I don't think he'll be there the way back so I'm GonNa Swing for the fences Stefan digs yikes. Yeah I know I didn't love the pick but I I wanted to tell by the way you said it Yup and by the silence from both Tyler and That's all right like I said he's he's perfect for this format I. Don't need them to be a weekly contributor I need him to pop off for forty. So Jay on your team so far. So I have you have Alvin Kamara Travis Kelsey James Connor Jonathan Taylor Stefan Day. Veritas and so next one here I am just kind of looking at best available just to see you know what's there recently went off Keenan Allen Kyla Murray Aj Green Melvin Gordon Waller Russell Wilson Helton swift buoyed marquees Brown brandin cooks, Dak. Prescott. Really Mad. The DAK went pick before me. That was actually Super League where I was hoping to go here but I will be okay with the with a target of of back I'll take Gallup Shershukov. All right. Who am I looking at here, Tyler what is your team? Currently my team currently is Zeke George Kitto Robinson Robert Woods, cream hunt like I do like it a lot to just want some more running back. Mark Ingram is here I think fat is pretty much where I have to go not sure what's going on with Montgomery wide receiver we have Ataman Jones Fuller maybe some landry not sure what's going on their quarterbacks looks like probably waiting on quarterback now so We're going mark. Ingram. Welcome to streaming quarterback except for we can't stream. So do you should probably just draft the one quarterback? All right. So after Holler back went it went will thrower will fuller Jarvis Landry Matt, you're on the clock back toback picks actually Kinda surprised that this individual is still on the board. He is a running back in. He is pretty boomer bust. He's not huge in the receptions category, but he scores a lot of touchdowns on the ground. Yes race. So he's not GonNa do much in the air, but he has games where he goes for twenty points just based off of his rushing numbers I like this offense quite a bit this year and they're going to run the ball a ton. They led the League in rushing last year and I think they're gonNa do it again I'm going where he most for one of them cope pick number two, pick number two sorry empty deepen thought here looking through hock not paying attention to you easy. I'm going with easy the tight end number one Mr Higby my I don't get that money. That wasn't what I wanted to. This is my first Sheriff Tyler. He'd be this season he keeps getting sniped before me, but that will not happen today he is on my team. I share congratulations. Oh. There you go. Now I'll let you hit that one. I saw after Matt Higby Gillian an-and and Marvin Jones went in tyler you're on the clock. What do you think in here oh? Let's take a look and see what we have. We have some crowder sanders sleigh in might might be pretty good here in best ball running back single terry acres wide Cohn Cohn might get some for the start of the season. Yeah. Depending on how long Montgomery's Value later, you still got your your do Jordan Howard sitting out there. I'll get him on the way back I won't take Jordan I promise. Yeah. Yeah I'm GonNa take her Torri Cohen just based off of Monti's injury. There's nothing else there are right. So team five between us took Evan grow which thank you for that. I was not going that way was really surprised. You didn't go this route tyler but I, thank you for doing it as I will take all of camakers in best ball format I was thinking there too We have crowder Samuel Brown Henry. Kirk lamb off bunch of quarterbacks ran off and Jacobs back on the clock. Yeah. You weren't kidding with the quarterback around holy cow canonize sitting there with Lamar. Jackson. Max Gone off the board and neither one of US have in one. Yup. Well, we will certainly see what happens there. What do you think here I am looking at best available you know running back or wide receiver even quarterback Kinda considering I will leave Jordan Howard therefore you and I'm just GonNa keep racking up these running backs take Ronald. Jones here actually thinking about quarterback I'm gonNA. have to draft to or a second tight end and get hearst, and if he balls out can always to flex and then also fell the by spot for kittle not bad. They're either this is a rough spot on the draft here I'm GonNa go and draft a quarterback sooner than I normally do and take Joe brees Tom Brady went between us. Would you consider Tom Brady Tom? Brady there. Doesn't like the Tom Brady hype. You Never Know Matt's on the board here. What do you think and to recap my team I got Lamar Jackson I'm feeling great a quarterback I have that injury Christian McCaffrey I have todd Gurley and Rahim Oester. Tyler Lockett Terry maclaurin and Tyler higby. I'm loving. My squad I got a pretty good spread so far I want some more wide receiver help. I am very high on Henry Rugs. There's also been some injuries in Las, vegas so I like Henry Rugs, even more. So I'm GonNa take him because I view him as a boomer bus player, which is exactly what you want in this format when you already have what you consider to be a safe team. So we're going with Henry rugs there seems pretty early for rugs no little little early but best ball I'm not gonNA knock it because if he balls out then when you're in the eighth and Ninth Round though especially picking at number one like you're not getting them on the way back. So if you want a guy, you have to take them. Yeah. There's only get it in your guy. So I'm not positive wrote him in a go yet I got twenty nine seconds left and probably and end up taking every bit of it here to who I know where you're going do it's probably not what you think not hardman now I'm going to go with a running back that darn. It has incredible potential I know what he might not do much until he earns starting role I'm going Jacob Yelp by knew that darn it now was to. Round our right I am on the board recap my team here quick while you're doing that area, Slayton and Matt Brady went after Jacob wasn't gonNA take slate in here that upsets me I didn't see that we have Zeke and cream Han Mark Ingram Torri Cohen Alan, Robinson Robert Woods George Kibble, and drew brees. I really wanted to lighten especially in this format. Let's see what we have here. Then maybe like Preston Williams Raygor Nicole Hardman. Hamlet Matt McCall Hartman. No. You cannot. You don't know if I can draft him that I really wanted him in this format today. I would have had to take them right there. I passed on him or he is competing with two tight ends. When I'M GONNA take regular sure you're not going to Jordan Howard is now the board he's very safe Yup are. GonNa get ten points a week. That's not what you're looking for in this. So I made this mistake last time and I feel like this is going to happen to me again. So I'm gonNA take one quarterback. Here I'm GonNa Take Stafford because I have a feeling that I'm GONNA sees like four go off here and not one when a single on. All right. Cool. Well, I miss calculated that Jeez who had hartman in Gronk went off there. All right. Well, no quarterbacks went in between my pick. So there's that are at this one's pretty easy here I'm. GonNa Take Preston Williams I love that pick here in the especially for peak my third wide receiver at this point I went very running back heavy. All right. I am on the board thinking really booming here it take like Madison just hoping for a Cook, injury could take Moss because he's GonNa have value no matter what I think seeing that it's one hundred percent sack moss. Yeah. I'm kind of surprised that Moss is still out there. Honestly all I wanted Robbie Anderson he just went hurts Oh new met rub interest me Mike Williams you have shoulder injury and all. So I'M GONNA rough spot right now, I need some wide receivers. The rest of my team is stacked. I have the second best quarterback in the League. I have four good running backs. I got my tight end one in Tyler higby in the spicy takes episode, and then I love lock it Maclaurin and drugs but I definitely need to address wide receiver which ones are you thinking? I'm looking at the Indianapolis pair I think one of them has a really. Good season I'm not sure which one they can both your back to back here. I'm actually considering that I also don't mind Sammy Watkins at this point my first pick is going to be Michael Pittman. So I want Michael Pittman junior trying to it's not letting me that we go in now I got another decision to make here with wide receiver lot lizard himself as their yes he is. He is still sitting out there wide receiver to the Green Bay. You know what I I've been telling myself the entire offseason here that I'm really really high on this colts offense I think one of the colts receivers are going to blow up this year they could be all for me. They want to be inconsistent but that's exactly what you want in best ball is one of them to go off each week so I am going to. Pair Michael Pittman with Paris Campbell Perryman Boston. Scott go off next and I am on the board. Let's see what we're working with. Here. I'll Hayden hers just keeps dropping down draft boards still here in a to flex other options. Anthony Miller Jackson we know what he did week one last year Sammy Watkins we know he did we won last year best ball not looking so bad Steal, but oof which way you're going Holler Whiz you're gonNA draft a second tight end in. Hayden. Hearst Scher lock it in. It's a good move of like normally I'm not taking tight ends of specify invest in earlier pick with like Tyler higby but in basketball leagues if you don't and they get injured, you're getting zero points at that position. So this draft is a lot different. Lamar will be taking another quarterback just because you can't afford an injury in this. Yeah. Absolutely. I would not have taken hidden hers because he has the same by we can is Kelsey and I was not going to tell you that until after you drafted him so I don't have Travis Kelsey. I. Don't I do that's why I couldn't take him because I want it. Write sill I'm on the clock in I'm going to go an unconventional route I'm gonNA, grab my second quarterback take it in Big Ben Right you want to recap who just went off the board think we have to at this point. It's pretty late highlight just a couple. Sure just. Jared Coke and Hopkinson. We had some that he m- hines and chase Edmunds and Madison. So a bunch of handcuffs in there and I wanted any of that. Too and Justin Jackson a lot of handcuffs there. So that sways my decision pretty easily too. I want to take my second tight end already Nana taking our favorite Johnny Nice. New I wasn't with two took Johnny Aaron Rodgers went right after that. Here I'm actually leaning a second quarterback and one that's going to be way more upside. So super swinging than like drew brees. Garner. Mid To. Is He gone men's shoe men shoe mania. Now we are GonNa go Daniel Jones though locking and Daniel Jones Danny Guy Guy like Daniel Johns a lot. This year then went Austin Hooper Allen Lazard, and now it's to me I am looking at quarterback and tight end. I think here because I'm pretty sufficient at the other positions I really WanNa Daniel Jones you just sniped him from me right there. And the quarterback position is pretty thin at the moment. Yeah. Really like Big Ben there a lot earlier than I wanted to. But glad I did I went second quarterback way earlier than I wanted to as well time for a third. I'M GONNA get my tight end out of the way and making sure he doesn't have the same bye week. So I'm going Noah Fan who would just keep q being in. So Matt Only Yeah you guys should do that. All right. It's back to me who fantasy prose thumbs up in the bottom corner for that Noah fant pick. Yeah. Yeah exceeded enhance. Now ADP I don't ever expect to be needing my second quarterback. So the main thing is pick a guy that doesn't have a a Bi week that matches. Amar. But also someone that could boom you're other players. So someone that would pair well with Campbell and Pitman. Who are we thinking here? Who Do you think mortar back with pair well with them? Kirk cousins the old man river's himself or River we're going rivers for a chance at a stack. When they have a monster, we gross it is on me have fun jumping in the cold Masami Watkins is here to Sean Jackson also can I do a third tight end? I. Just like Tight Ends Dallas Goddard, tons of upside if arts gets hurt which he probably will you laughing at the upside? Yes. Tight ends. You really like all of the above. Well. Don't you like tight ends? No. Yeah comment time is running down. You got seconds, seconds five, I WANNA I WANNA part of that offense three Sammy Watkins. So sure sure. We'll give you one or two weeks worthwhile which we want. A well, I'm going to take a similar type player if the drafter will ever let me go actually I'm GonNa. Take time I like I've been drafting pretty quick here. So I'm going to take a guy that if he's healthy and he hits, he's going to give me a huge weeks I. Think last year he had one hundred, twenty six touched is that you're taking to Sean Jax you are correct sir. Thank you pairs very well especially, the best ball format either risky pick someone just took devante free I saw that yeah someone that's not on a team in best ball is very risky. ooh Yes, it is now. I know what I would take if I was you yeah. What's I know what I want I'm hoping that it makes it to me. You know I promise you I probably am not taking your guy goes I'm reaching for the stars here I think. I know what you're doing what I do does he play for Washington? He does you're GONNA love I locked in some love you. Like price level I love a lot at this point is to do is beat out a thirty eight year old Adrian Peterson. So Yeah Antonio Gibson's GonNa player all too though there's a lot going on I mean yeah. He's definitely GonNa, play a role, but I don't think Gibson feature player. So I think if something were to happen to AP Bryce love it. Hey, guys, I'm on the clock. Five seconds. Okay. Wanted to give you time to think Oh, I had thought and that's why I said I am GonNa do something you should have done and I should have done. I am going to lock up a handcuff here and probably the day one start learning touches in Malcolm. Brown since you have cam acres, that's fine. I didn't draft CAM to be the week one player I drafted Cam for week five through sixteen seventeen. All right. Then we had Jamal Williams and Eric Ibran go. So now at this stage I'm literally just looking for players that have potential to have a breakout week nothing more at this point. So I am going to go with a guy like James Washington has potential to blow up in weeks and that's exactly what I want. So I'm going James Washington with one. and. I'm not sure what wrote him going with number two quite yet let's see I'm GonNa take a guy here that in the event of an injury, he is the next man up Gone Daring Evans. Here's a guy a guy chefs guy here's a guy if Derrick Henry were to go out, Evans would be a stud all the sudden, but he's not going to see the. Field otherwise jerk Mackinnon and Chris Thompson, go in between you guys like those similar approach probably going to be for the for the rest of the draft is just kind of draft. If something happens to guy, this guy will step up in between Josh Kelley Andrew De'andre Washington here thinking we're going go Josh Kelley to pick it's also is gonNA take we'll continue in a similar vein. I'll take while stood at this point. These are all reaches were just aiming for guys that just have upside. Yeah. There's barely anybody of relevance at this point unless there is an injury, I mean kirk cousins got drafted. Yeah. He just went off the board. And Rashad Penny Ito Smith REX burkhead. Yeah. That's what we're working with right now. So mine experts La Viscous Chenault and I am on the clock. What am I looking at here Garner still up there men shoe mania all look at that. That's lock it up ten seconds left lockup. Gardner sure thought I was going to get in with my very last PIC- no wow. Three QB's Lamar Miller and Darius guys. Went off the board like that in best ball like that's a that's a that's a swing. Right? There were guys in the field. Now we are on the sixteenth realm also. Yeah Miller and guys are not Miller might see the field at least but guys is not going to be a football team this year All right. Let's see what we're looking at here. We are getting fin I'M GONNA TAKE A. Flyer on Randall Cobb ever know what he can do in a Houston offense this year, and then I'm going to go maybe thinking about doing the same approach with my earlier wide receivers on Indian taking Kenny stills who's going to have to good games all year before he's injured Jake Draft Adam Humphreys our ourselves mel aspect. Okay. Yeah. I'm going. We'll send he stills. He's GonNa, give me two games all season. I will consider him with my last pick. I'll give him an honest consider. We'll see who else is there. I might have someone else has to take. This is a guy I've considered a lot at the end of drafts this year, but usually there's much better available wide receiver number three, four, a high flying offense. We're GONNA take Russell Gauge Okay I thought you're taking my guy was like you better not. I'll take a guy who's Boston camp. It sounds like another rookie my team I have a ton of them. I'll say Brian Edwards out of Oakland Vegas sorry. Almost said it wrong I took him in a draft recently was pretty happy with a good pick for here. Darn it. My pick went off the board now Thompson No era. Yeah. Antonio Brown. I was I was feeling now and in a ball, what are your options? Last round? Yeah. This is my very last pick. Let's see here. You still got Denzel mims T Higgins Chris Conley. This isn't like a great night bus ball pick. It's just more because I have a very injury prone running back, James Connor and he's still here for some reason I'm GonNa Take Benny's now just in case something happens I can get a piece of that Pittsburgh offense still the right move for you there. Reggie. Jonathan. You'RE GONNA take my my handcuff. This last round is even the handcuff. Mike Davis might be I can't be taken that I need a wide receiver. That's GONNA. Put One game of forty points and that's it. Let's see what we have here. I should just pick Adam Humphreys do it go with Adam? Humphrey is otherwise what else are you looking at this point O. J. Howard, fourth tight end. He's technically the tight end you know. I. Think that might be. That's the pick OJ. Howard. And that leaves the final pick to Matt might not in this guy to go. All right. So for me Mr. irrelevant is actually I was really hoping would get back. To me in best ball formats since I already took mark or not Mark Ingram that's already took jk dobbins especially with the chance of us. Yeah. With the chance of Ingram getting hurt each thirty season I like having multiple options in this running back committee. So I'm going Gus Edwards, stand the draft he's team. This is a a lot of players on the team. Yeah. I actually like what I ended up with here. What do they give you for a draft grade? I got an a you had an e yeah. Ninety three out of one hundred Nice I did not get any. I disagree with their rating entirely I got a B plus. One hundred whoever wrote these ratings are I want whatever small? What did you get if they give me a seventy six? Wrongly, disagree with that I got the. Three out of Ondo. I'm agree with Matt they don't know what they're smoking. You don't know what they're doing. Cool. Well, that wraps up a another mock draft. The last one that will be recorded for the season and big bet on it losing to do the polar plunge year buddy looking forward to it. Next week is football. We'll have a couple episodes for next week. Not sure what they are yet, but we'll come up with them other than that. Make sure you follow us on twitter at F. Ot podcast or on facebook fantasy football overtime makes you hit the legs subscribe spotify Google wherever your podcasts. Thanks for listening. Appreciate you. Thanks. bye-bye.

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Week 7 Preview

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Week 7 Preview

"Uh-huh. Up to twenty six Admiral his stage in coop. So the Russian president hostage, we've been ordered to rescue for the producers of Olympics has fallen most aggressive military up in rushing his strength. It's going to be World War three, Gerard Butler worship outstation security, old man. One common authorize crew. Central killer dude are under seventeen minute parent in theaters number twenty, six. The fantasy focus football podcast is presented by ZipRecruiter, forgetting to put Marquez Valda scant Ling in your week, six lineup that was not smart, but using ZipRecruiter to find qualified candidates fast that smart ZipRecruiter identifies people with the right skills, -education experience for your job than actively vice them to apply. Try for free as a precursor dot com os six. Oh one. Oh, ZipRecruiter dot com. Os six Ono. So more. Welcome in to a Friday edition of the fantasy focus football podcast. We're this close away from the weekends. We got lots to get to today, including preview in every single game. No, Matthew in today he gets up. He was working on yesterday, did not. We could put a bow on it, so he will back on Monday this time. We mean it when we say it and that brings us back to the Natalie clad, Mike clay welcome, it's up. Were you wear pink? Sometimes it looks good. So I thought maybe I bring out the pink today. You got a little bit on there is that whoever sits in that chair, they feel the need to have field fashion approve. I need validation all fashioned. And this is come up on Twitter too. Yeah. Michael today, he must be listening to field. It's like you see that, but nobody cares what I think of your outfit. Matthew doesn't care what I think he's basically discarded me direction. I was going to go is that when you sit in that seat, you just absorbed Matt habits. Yesterday's to fund you as making a words and stumbling pass things and ask me to repeat myself eight times today. Mike is asking for fashion advice. So, or I should say is noting my fashionable sense. So I'm going casual Friday. You know, he did. He wanted to match the color in your vineyard vines label matches Mike late. They're very nice. Skirt on. You can't see it out there because I'm, you know. Yeah, but still like you guys didn't wanna go with leopard. Thought about you options. It was pinker leopard. I won't. Print right now. That's weird. We're happy that you have clothes on. News from the national football. All right. We got tons to get to. We are not going to mention last night tobacco on the desert, but Runco one got touch him. That was good for sure. Got a touchdown. We'll talk about it more on Monday morning, but let's begin with our game actually on Monday night, the giants at the falcons, the falcon home. Balcon toasted the giants on Monday night football court. Here on ESPN. The falcons are six and a half point favorites. Let's begin with the giants though. Can Ono Beckham get back on track. I kinda thought of it this way. What is more will Oto Beckham, junior and Julio Jones who have one told a touchdown so far this season in terms of receiving touchdown says, oh, did throw through onto saquon Barkley they have combined for one receiving touchdown this year. Well, Odell Beckham and Julio Jones combined for more than one touch and more specifically my keynote. I'll get back on track because deal manning was awful. Last week. I first touchdown question. Yes, I think they'll combine for one touchdown. Okay. And it'll probably be back because shown this is not being used near the goal line. Really unfortunate ever since week one. I mean all last season. It was used down there week when he was used down, there didn't work and they scrapped. It just don't went into targets censo-, but I, but again, obviously, Beckham I'm feeling pretty good about overall thirty one percent target as a career high so far this season. He's been terrific in terms of absorbing a lot of volume in that offense. And by the way, the giants we know they're struggling. So they have to throw the football a lot. They're expected. Pass rate is sixty nine percent that second highs in the NFL. Again, that means just they're trailing a lot. They have to throw the football. So we know Dell's one of the best in the business, seeing a lot of work. And of course the falcons offense not so hot. Fourth, most fantasy points to receivers. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not concerned with him just yet. That's a kind way of putting on the falcons. Who has been ravaged by injuries and speaking of injuries to the giants got some good news of their own. We think that have Ingram could make his return after two games missed. I believe it was because of a knee issue. That's I think you can feel pretty confident about it actually, because last week he was close. You know, there was a conversation about it happening, but the game was early Thursday night, his so wearing the brace still sore after he tried to bump it up a notch and practice. So now you add in eleven days between when that came was and win. This game is going to happen, and he's been a full participant and practice at the all signs are pointing to him playing on Monday night. So even though this is Monday night game and you won't get that final injury report until Saturday, I think you can write an anger him into the lineup, be prepared to hear the statement a lot. This podcast, he's a tight end who's athletic who can catch the football. He is a viable starting play this week, no evidence room as a very good player to top ten option for all three of us in this game. Again, tight on death is so thin in the NFL this season. We had a spirited conversation about having Coleman Edo Smith earlier on this week that was more on the rest of season value. But for Monday night, Mike, how do you evaluate these two players specific to like you have him? I think I don't think I know you've got technical of ten. You've got ITO Smith at thirty five. So you feel like it's pretty clearly Tevin Coleman. The guy on Monday night, yeah. Last week was the first game where they were really close in terms of snap. She had thirty seven for Coleman. Twenty nine, four Etowah Smith. But what I look at is a couple of things here. First of all, Coleman is better back and I think he will prove to be that going forward keeping my Nido Smith three point two yards per carry six point six yards for -ception. I mean, Coleman hasn't lit up the season, but he has a longer resume of playing while in the NFL. So I think he'll emerges the lead. You'll have Edo Smith plenty involved, but Coleman will be kind of like on the freemen side, how we evaluated in pasture, he'll be more of the freemen in terms of all your. So I give him a nice edge. Yeah, I'm with you as well. That was where I landed on the end of that conversation. Got aboard, bet which I don't know if I feel great. Sixty points more for having Coleman for the rest of the season. Then ITO Smith should be six points per game, but do the math possible, right. It's definitely possible. I, I'd have to think about that when I probably go. I probably go ITO Smith on now. I think it'll be closer just based on l. hilby used as a pass catcher, nobody cares what you think anyways, Mike. Mike. I have to take Matthew side adding hope you start Moore's drafted way too many Redskins new and Calvin really awesome. So far this year Ridley has been the touchdown scoring FINA m- and Calvin Muhammed's news just been a steady as it comes rights too, but both of them are banged up. They are and mama's new was on the report prior to last week with a hip issue, and it wasn't wasn't a threat to keep mouth the game. We saw that he played in the game. But if you notice he left before that game ended, I think it was more than third quarter and must have aggravated the hip injury because that is what he's still on the injury report with now earlier in the week, Dan Quinn had expressed optimism about both these players, but Muhammad's new was expected practice on Thursday and then was a complete did not practice. As far as Calvin Ridley goes ankle injury. If you saw him like on the sidelines, trying to walk it off, just couldn't will turn out his bone bruise. And so it's probably good thing. He did not go back in the main thing. You do for bone. Bruce is you rested. And I think they were still hopeful that he'd be ready to go Monday. I will say this even though he was listed as it did not practice, he was out at practice moving around. He was doing warm with the team. He was working on the jugs machine afterwards, so it's not like he's non weight bearing on this at this point. We don't know. 'cause I've only had one practice Monday night game. I say this every week, the falcons are very transparent. Dan Quinn is great about giving you updates on the players that are injured isn't try and play a lot of games with it. If he thinks there's possibility that could go Monday, but he's not sure that's what you're going to hear if he thinks they look great and there's a good chance. They're gonna go. That's what you're going to hear on Friday. He usually tells us by the early afternoon what their status, but this week with being Monday, you probably won't get it till Saturday. I would say this normally I don't wanna wait on Monday night players, but I think in this case you're going to have a really good idea by Saturday. So be sure to check the notes in the updates because they will give us a good idea of who's gonna play Saturday. Dan Quinn book Austin Hooper has been awesome over the past. It to expect. Nine catches a piece in if either or both of those wide receivers play. I suppose that's even less competition for targets for him. Yeah, definitely. Nine passes caught in back to back games now for us and Hooper twenty two percent targets Hodel during that span east, obviously getting a ton of workload. He's been affected via seventy shards and both of those games at touchdown. Career-high target share the season if a pass heavy offense. If a high scoring offense, I think Hooper especially if one of those guys are out, you could feel really good about as a tight and you mentioned before all the issues that tight in right now, he is a top twelve option, at least for the time being and he is ranked accordingly for us in week seven. I have the falcons winning this game actually, thirty four twenty one is my pick Mike. They're six and a half point favorites. What say you? I will go with the falcons staring at my scores, but I'll tell you on you. I'm going Daniel. I'm also going to take the falcons will be at this game. If you see a guy with a big bushy beard asking for his autograph, let's go to the patriots at the bears. It probably won't be because. Their peers. So you need. Can you imagine all these guys with saying, I'm not new unique. Description was very poor. Patriots go to Chicago to play. The bears game is going to be really, really fun to watch. Here's a couple of limiting factors. The bears have not a lot of rushing touchdown. All season are both Sony, Michelle, James white consensus top twelve Arnie amac plays Mike, or they are, but should they be? I wouldn't put them. I don't think I've been both top twelve in my they. Yeah. They are reading lately. They both been awesome though. I mean, if you look back at going back to week three of the four games since they played together James white, Rb six Sony, Michelle, rby eleven. So any Michelle is third in the NFL and carries during that span with eighty one. James, wait a second at running back in targets during that span. So the bears have been very good against runningback second fuse, fantasy point too loud. Maybe that's enough to move down Sony Michelle a little bit, but teams why we know he's gonna keep that big role as a pass catcher. So I think he's probably a little safer, but I think both are at least Arbutus should be started. Josh Gordon played a lot last weeks to find you but feels like every week more and more and more. We're getting a bit more Josh Gordon, this, the breakout Sunday for him. I actually think last week was a bit of a breakout in terms of the role that he had the number of snaps that he played the way that they let him go for these longer plays. And I think the fact that he came out of that game and there were no setbacks reported issue. He practices week, they kept him on a limited practice schedule, but you would. Effect that patriots very methodical in terms of how they do things. So I think the rains have been let loose if you will, and I think you're going to see more of the same interesting note there for Josh Gordon. We certainly would like to see it. And if you wanna make the argument that Tom Brady will have a bit more time and space to run. Well, Khalil Mack may well play on Sunday, but he has been banged up because of an ankle injury or the patriots aren't too sad. Ofensive Lyman aren't to hear about that by the way, Gordon on the field for thirty five of their thirty seven past plays out last game size, highest target target share since week, fifteen last season. So yeah, he's been unleashed. You have them. You can feel very good about firing. Emma people are going to be starting, Tom Brady, basically every single week, but about Mitch Trubisky. Does he deserve to be on the streaming quarterback right arm Ike yet. Definitely back to back top-five fantasy weeks. I mean, the guy's delivering obviously had that huge game few weeks ago, but delivered again this past week against Miami, completing seventy percent of his passes despite an eight point, five average throw which is a little bit on the high side. So he's been very efficient as well. He's. Six overall and fantasy points to five weeks. The bears have played and its value with his legs. He is third at the position in rushing yards. So absolutely, he's definitely on the QB one radar and we like him this week, a hundred rushing yards over the past two weeks for Mr. Bisky again, if you're worried about to Shawn Watson, who will talk about or you have your and Rogers or Ben Rothlisberger on a by Trubisky. One of the two quarterbacks mentioned in the waiver wire com teaser was who the other one is a little bit later on in the show Jordan. Howard to recon I think it's becoming frustrating for those who have Jordan Howard, not so much for tree comb because his value is going up and yet Jordan, Howard volume is going down. I don't know they get to play. I don't. I don't believe we are going to get to the point where Jordan Howard is no longer playable. But Mike, I think if I had my druthers, you could make a pretty compelling case for Tariq Cohen this week. Yeah. And Cohen is ahead of Howard right now. It's clear by the way Jordan Howard on the season. Rb thirty nine in his best week as sixteenth. I know there by three misleading, but it's. Week is sixteenth, this guy that was drafted ahead of that, and he hasn't even gotten there once this season. So that is a problem. We know he's not going to do at ton as a pass catcher. And you look at the snap slit the past two games. He's actually played five more sixty four to fifty nine in favor of Howard, but we like if you have your choice, if you've running back in your lineup and you've either gets a carry at the goal line or a target, you went to target every time you went the guy getting the volume in the past game, they're more valuable, and that's what we get and listen, I'll just say this, I gotta be nervous right now. If I'm someone who was playing Jordan Howard, what happens if they get to the goal line? Because last week he fumbled on the goal line and I'm just telling you coaches, don't forget there like elephants the elephants. Never forget. Coaches, don't forget who coughed the football up at the goal line. We saw it last week in that game. Howard end Kenyan Drake did it. We'll see what it means. If Jordan Howard oppertunistic on Sunday, it's interesting just philosophically the get if you get the ball back to the guy and he writes it, it's a lot easier to forget. That doesn't touch the goal line week after week. Don't you think it's gonna make it worse? Form going forward. No question about that. Now to find your Allen Robinson's a bit banged up. He went from limited to did not participate in practice. I don't love to see that trend now. That's, that's that that is very wise. If you go from some reps to know reps that is bad, sign green injury for Ellen Robinson that nobody really knew about sort of cropped up there on injured port without a lot of explanation coming coming outta last week. And I think the beginning people like, you know, it's limited whatever. It's maintenance when you see a downgrade on Thursday, nobody is offered anything matinee, not saying that he's overly concerned, but he's not saying he isn't. So again, Friday a big day for the practice reports. Let's see what he does. And if it looks like he'll go reason, I mentioned that Alan Robinson injuries does tile a little bit into Taylor. Gabriel who's based in every snap player for them. Mike, these really good for the past two weeks. Yeah, like him a lot. Twenty two percent targets exactly seven per game. And in fact, he is a high floor. He is at least four catches and at least five targets in every game. So. Far this season, and he's really, he was one of them guys out of the gate. You saw the volume, but not the production. You were like, well, he's going to regret to the mean he's about to take a big step forward as long as his role stays the same and it has. And now all of a sudden is back to back games with at least one hundred yards. So he's a big time playmaker downfield threat and is getting a pretty good share of the volume in this offense. So especially if you're buying on Mitch, I mean, if you're like, okay, I'm gonna stream Mitch. This week, they'll Gabriel in the flexi. She might as well. He's one of his top target. I gotta be honest with you. I just enjoy washing Taylor gave smart guy who I don't know if he's been underutilized in the past because he's always played where there have been other great wide receiver. Julio Muhammad's new. For example, in Atlanta, I am in on Taylor Gabriel. This week also ended the patriots winning this game. I got them as three point five favorite covering Mike, how you? I have a close one, patriots twenty five bears twenty four. Okay. So you pick the taking the bears bears and the points. Yeah. Okay. And it's to finally I'm gonna take the patriots area. I am also taking the patriots. All right. Browns go to Tampa Bay face the bucket. Nears. So many points expected in this game, the buck for three and a half point favorites, and this is the chance Mike, the opportunity to seize I adding their seminal moment throughout the fantasy football season. I am not sure that we have seen when other than Patrick Mahomes rise so far this year, all hail Patrick Mahomes. He of great stature and ability and production. But I think we have a chance or another one to come up and I'm not saying that Baker Mayfield is going to be anything close to a Patrick Mahomes was during the first for a heck the I haven't, which we on the this week, seven per six weeks of the season you the man patch Bohm's. But what I am saying is this Baker Mayfield number one, overall, pick cares Matic guy, Heisman Trophy winner a player playing for a franchise, more desperate for quarterback play than any other in league history. Could this be the four extract Baker Mayfield to make good on so many aspirants people have for listen, I hope so. I'm Brown apologised. I hope they get it going in the right direction. But I I mean first of all, you know he he hasn't been to productive yet. So we haven't seen it really at all twenty four twenty-second fifteenth nineteen. Weekly finishes. So far and his pass catchers cannot catch the football. And that's, you know, it's right there in the word pass catcher catch the full. Yes, it is a problem to find a break hashtag analytics here. So that's been a big problem. I would hope that they would add somebody to to this mix Vic and catch the ball in the next few weeks. I don't know if parents going to be the answer, but we'll see. We saw a little bit more involvement from two Johnson. We're talking about David and Joe Coon. A second is roles expanded and obviously Jarvis Landry is there. You mentioned the great matchups. He is going down field. There's room to believe he can't take step forward with these matchups. But again, I'm nervous about his supporting cast right now. Well, so monks, those players that are in this aborting gases, David joke, who who comes in this week as a top ten tight play. He has been ridiculously busy with Baker Mayfield as quarterback and talk about drops. So there is a guy who is dropping lot passes early on. We saw really nice things during the preseason hard knocks and you think, oh, boy, he's gonna be at then didn't didn't have didn't start out so strong in the regular season. But in the last two weeks, he leads the team in. Argets for Baker Mayfield. So I think the confidence the report starting develop you saw make really nice catch in the end zone. I, I actually really like enjoying this week, especially where we're losing some guys at tight end. I think that the chemistry is improving and don't forget the end. The last week game Baker Mayfield had hurt his ankle. So we he went back in he, he heard it when he was running out of bounds kind of stepped awkwardly, but I didn't like the way he was throwing the ball for that look like he couldn't really step into his throws. He's not on injured port, so may feel that he said he would be fine didn't. Joe is on the injured port, but full practice not gonna limit him in this. The Browns are down a bunch of wide receivers right now like every time you. So besides Jarvis Landry, nobody else that you really know is fully healthy amongst the Browns wide receivers, I guess in Tonio Calloway. But sorry, particularly. Damion rally. He's a hot add this weekend. Deeper leaks, wind him could either number two receivers, long, fantasy, long, fantasy, long shot. We all news name. All right. What will be the expression? You're, you're lovely person's. Got a big heart, right? Like I always find you emotional like you've got a lot of horsepower. Motion horsepower. Yeah. Is there an emotion stronger than love? The only thing I think of what potentially be hate. However, as we found out that is not true, which is why the jet is always win. So what you're saying is that if you love James Winston, but even more so than loving him and more so than hating him, like you love, love, love him. Oh, like a double of couple. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's how we feel about James Winston this week. It's a great matchup Mike, and he throws the football time because their defense is so bad they have, but notorious. Yeah, in Winston has been terrific since the middle part of last season since he came back from that injury as a great supporting cast Aaron Tampa Bay, they're not afraid to throw the football. They've defensive problem. So he has to throw the football in the second effort shore. And again, remember last season. He was top ten, fantasy quarterback and forty. Six percent of his starts was ninth at the position. It's just set. Youthfully gray matchup here at home. I mean, the Browns defense has been up and down. We know that could be a bit of a trap if they show up and play will in Tampa Bay. But again, with the way they're built with the supporting cast, they have not to mention some injuries, a corner there, four, the Cleveland Browns. I think he set up for another another, not just a great interest and other great game for James. Winston, let's keep in mind that part of the reason why the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offense looked actually. I should say part of the reason they were able to run the football factory last week which I was gonna say. It was like part of the reason why they looked so good. They looked fine, but they run the football last week, Pete and Barbara back in the flex considerations. Volume certainly helps. It'd be knowing Ronald Jones, like maybe twenty nineteen. Maybe that'll be a year I'm Jones. Yeah. Well, the thing with Barbara is he's been getting the volume all season except for that one game right for the by, but seventy six percent of the carries us ten percent of the targets. Now he was top ten in week, six, but he had not been better than forty four in a single week coming into that because the efficiency was so poor. So kind of look at him almost like Frank gore a little bit where he gets a lot of carries. A pretty good chunk of the carries actually more so than gore but not much volume in the passing game. Most weeks. I think he's in the flex conversation because volume is king by won't go much further. All right. This game should be a fun when a lot of point potentially on the board, the buccaneer to three and a half point favorites. I got the bucks. How about you? Mike? I have. Let's see here the bucks there. I don't know. I don't know my score in front of me this bucks twenty four Brown's twenty. See as I go. I don't know what's coming next. Lebron. I think three's last night. And if you really wanna you know, I blame myself, but I still I'm the excuse twenty four twenty three bucks. See you have to blame something. Never your fault. That's right. Daniel. Who do you have? I'm taking what's in Brown's. Here's what I'm thinking. Taking the Browns, getting the points Steiner, who did you say? I'm sorry, I missed it. I know I didn't actually speak it because I'm confused on this one. I'm gonna go at Tampa Bay. Okay, Tampa Bay is to speak before we get to the next games going gonna mention this really quickly. The cardinals just announced they fired their office of corner. Mike McCoy replacing it with Byron left, which their quarterback coach Byron left, which longtime NFL quarterback Jaguars about that last night. And that certainly very well regarded Byron left, which young offense of lake on good see him get an opportunity guy that I think is really paid as dues in his post playing career, dig into that more on Monday and even Tuesday and Wednesday and more get to the Texans. And the Jaguars game is being played in Jacksonville, four and a half point. Favorite are the Jags and Shawn Watson in the mar Miller. This week, it's like Watson in a lot of weeks, feel pretty good about coming off of a dud week. Last week, Mike, I think this probably is the worst match seal year. Yeah, I agree with that. And you know the, the Jags are coming off a rough game against AC press. But they still on the six few fantasy points to quarterbacks. And actually before the best weekly finish a quarterback had this season QB seventeen, which kind of picks up where they left off last year. Obviously, very, very overwhelmingly, talented defense. So I would expect him to play well in this one you mentioned Watson, coming off, the rough game, and by the way we talked about this earlier in the week, but don't forget that Houston offense overall has had some problems cleared two touchdowns only one time this season, and they have exactly one offensive touchdown in back to back games. Lot of problems, the offensive line being a huge culprit here with the pressure on Watson, the Saxena receptions from Watson as well as a result. So yeah, I'm definitely concerned if I have Watson in my league, I'm trying to find an alternative streaming option here and we accept it. We feel the same way about Lamar Miller more much more of a flex consideration this week as opposed to an Rb to even though he's been a low end Rb to threat at best at the season and no question, we're seeing a little bit morale for blue involved in. I will say this. He's maybe bailed out in the short term because the auntie form initially the reports where he'd be back in week, seven now who knows. Might be until after the week, the there by which is coming up in a few weeks for gnomes Miller lease achilles gotta, be careful. These injuries a not only do they have a bad match, but they're too wide receivers were banged up right now, I should say, deandre Hopkins, miss practice on Thursday is we'll fuller also little bit banged up roof other banged up his hip last week. I don't know if you remember the play, kind of went out of the end zone and then stayed there. And the medical staff came over and was attending to him. We'll fuller who's obviously been on injured port regularly with a hamstring issue, but his played through it for the most part ever since he can't. You know, he started seasonal little bit late as a result, but then as has been not only playing but producing until just recently after the hip issue last week, you didn't really see him doing much after that. But my understanding is that both of them, you know, the Texans have been managing. Hopkins and fuller through their various into Hopkins. At one point was kind of like the Iraqi Bron of last week with three or four body parts next to his name still with the foot issue. But the rest during the week is what they believe gets into the weekend. So I think you're gonna see both Hopkins and fuller playing this week despite being banged up after last week's game. Mike, the match though really for the Texans wide receivers and listen, deandre Hopkins, you're playing right amused, de'andre freaking Hopkins. But Cutie is really the Texans wide receiver I think is the most interesting because of the matchup involved. Absolutely. Jacksonville, again, still shutting down wide receivers. This season few fantasy point too loud, and a part of that is they're awesome perimeter corner place. So you're gonna have Ramsey most likely shadow John. Jay Hopkins in this game, AJ boy will shadow will fuller just like they did in the second meeting last season. And then you pivot acuity in the slot against Tyler patent. And again, I don't know if you caught the presser after last week's game, but Dak Prescott was up at the podium and they asked him about Kobe. Easley's big day who was, of course their slot receiver, and he specifically mentioned former cowboy Tyler patent is a guy they looked to take advantage of and he quickly was like, no, no, no. I mean, you know, when specifically point someone out, I guess, right mentioned we're, we always try to go to sleep, but he basically admitted that's the part of the game plan. And Cutie is the slot receiver for the Texans patents still on the other side. If he's by the way. DJ heathens healthy. You can be back, but he's not particularly good either. So expect them to try and take advantage of the way cuties playing and the struggles on the slot, four Jacksonville for what it's worth quarterback or so we'll manicure when it comes to addressing the press eight. One, one of them is slip like Dak. Did you wonder if it's like, yeah, I let it slip. Or if it's like dude, like that was intentional on intentionally intentional, you know? Yeah, everybody knows it. Everybody would you. So if we'll Fuller's Ben Affleck's play and given that hasn't been excellent. Last couple of weeks little bit banged up and the coverage that you just mentioned, would you bench will fuller this week? Yeah. I mean, it certainly depends on your other options always asking for. I would definitely try to get him on my bench. I just wouldn't feel great against this Jacksonville defense. We know he could break a long sixty five yard touch at any given point, which is a reason why you might wanna leave him in there. But in this tough match-up, I be exploring other options for sure. All right. And the for the for the Jaguars. Your friend on bells to find you. TJ Yeldan. Yeah, is going to come into focus to fudge the second, but that's assuming we have clarity on Leonard fournette your, where's your lean at this time of the week on? Let important availability for week. Seven. That is not gonna play. Yeah. I mean, it's one of those things where I understand there. There's sort of you could you can look at it two different ways. You've heard the reports of like, hey, they're probably gonna keep him out through there by week. There's all this reasoning of why they would delay his return, and then there's the, you know, the comment from run that he could be back in week seven he could potentially be available. So which do you believe? Well, it's pro. It probably was a little both. You know, I don't think either either statement is completely false and if suddenly for that had really turned a corner and was performing well, the door would be open for him to be able to play. Likewise, it's possible that he will be out these multiple weeks, but I don't. That anyone is making that call just yet. It depends on how he progresses. So as far as this week he still practicing and if he's not practicing it all this week given the setbacks and the difficulty, he had getting up to one hundred percent kind like all dalvin cook. Try to get to the high explosive going at eighty five percent or higher, and you just can't hit that gear without having a problem. Why would you bring him back before he's fully ready? People were disappointed in what TJ yelled did last week, Mike, but the disappointment shoot be towards Yellen. It should be towards that defense. He ran affectively when he had the chance to run. The problem is when you lose by thirty three points and you're down twenty four, nothing at have you have no ability to run, but he yelled them still on our on our, you know, maybe borderline top twelve running back this week. And yeah, it's been volume-based. I mean, he's just picked up where four knits left off if you will. I mean they've been much pass heavier offense this year compared to last season. One of the past heavy in the league as opposed to being run Evie last season. But Yellen is Rb nine on the season that's with for mixing in actually playing a few of these games. His. Sixty seven carries only twenty second lead, but he's thirty five targets that is eighth most at the running back position. So yeah, he's been heavily involved. He is a fringe. Rb one lock them in if for is in fact out. All right. So right. It just real quick because of people worried about TJ l. because he didn't practice the other day and still limited yesterday, but not wearing a protective garments on rap. No boot, no, nothing sounds like a team that thanks. We won't have for net so we need to give Yeldan as much as possible knowing we're gonna work him on Sunday, Texas. Don't feel like a team. That's one three straight games. The Jaguars four Napa offers. I'm going with the Jags. How about you? Daniel, Danny? So I'm actually I'm not. I'm gonna go the Texans. Okay. Michael. I'm taking Texas in the points to twenty one eighteen Jag. Yeah, that's what I I had eighteen and a half twenty one and a half, but it's pretty close off, not even close and star phone. You took the Texans and the points. Yeah. I'll I'll take my ex, whatever I'm going. I'm gonna go with the Jaguars dollarshaveclub everything eat to look feel and smell your best like look me right now. 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