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Morning Joe 7/19/21

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Morning Joe 7/19/21

"There is a clear message that is coming through. This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. We are seeing outbreaks of cases in parts of the country that have low vaccination coverage because unvaccinated people are at risk and communities that are fully vaccinated are generally faring. Well so why is there so much vaccine hesitancy perhaps because some people are listening to their wacky uncle on social media rather than top doctors in the world. It's one of the reasons. President biden is lashing out at facebook. We'll get to his cutting criticism of the tech giant amid this unrelenting pandemic and the variance that are spreading through the country in fact for some communities in america this year will actually be worse than twenty twenty is that possible we'll explain that and how the deadly delta variant is driving a wedge through parts of the country corona virus. Isn't the only big issue being fueled by conspiracy theories there's also the attempt by some republicans to whitewash the january sixth insurrection. But that's not what they were saying in real time as rioters attacked the capital. We've got the tale of the tape. Straight ahead good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is monday. July nineteenth joe when willie off this morning with us we have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemaire way too early for us and former aide that george w bush white house and state department elise jordan. Also katty kay on the way this morning in the united states cova cases are on the rise as again driven up in increases in places with low vaccination rates and now the former surgeon general is suggesting the cdc should once again. Ask everyone to mask. Up indoors nbc. News correspondent. kathy. Park explains no signs of covet backing down in los angeles county a seven hundred percent increase in positive cases in just the last mug as masks go back on while indoors. I think better safe than sorry. For former surgeon general jerome atoms wing in on wearing tweeting. The cdc guidance was premature and wrong. He added instead of vaccine or mascot. The emerging data suggests. Cdc's should be vising to backseat an mascot. In areas with rising cases and positively the current surge in general defended the cdc's decision on mass for the fully vaccinated. They gave communities and individuals of flexibility to make decisions about what to do with masks across. America cases are rising in all fifty states. Some hit harder than others. Healthcare workers and florida's seminole county point to a deadly trend. The death count is extremely high. Ninety nine point two percent for the individuals that are unvaccinated in arkansas. Dr cam patterson set his hospital is full and they are running out of caregivers and more worries around the world prime minister. Boris johnson is in quarantine after cova exposure being. I'm being asked to so-fi sleep bhai the test system after i'm being contact between some of the this comes just hours. Before the uk lifts its remaining restrictions dubbed freedom day meaning no more mass mandates and capacity limits on nightclubs and sporting events new polling shows the most vulnerable to the delta variant or also the group's least concerned about it in a new. Cbs news yougov poll forty eight percent of unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated. Americans said they're not concerned about the variant background virus which is twenty four points fewer of the then the percentage of fully vaccinated americans who say they have concerns. I'm concerned i'm vaccinated. And this is why. The unvaccinated should be concerned. Here's former fda. Commissioner dr scott gottlieb on the risk of the delta variant to unvaccinated americans. This virus is so contagious. This variant is so contagious that it's going to affect the majority of the most people will either get vaccinated or have been previously infected or they will get this delta variant and for most people who get this delta variant. It's going to be the most serious virus getting their lifetime in terms of the risk of putting them in the hospital. Dr gotlib is going to be our guest at the top of our next hour. Look forward to that. We have a lot to tell our viewers about the concerns here. A new york times analysis found that while infections rose in more than half the nation's counties last week those with low vaccination rates were far more likely to see bigger jumps among the twenty five counties with the sharpest increase in cases all but one had vaccinated under forty percent of residents and sixteen had vaccinated under thirty percent. Arkansas is one st with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the country and where the delta variant is poised to do significant damage the new york times reports from the baxter regional medical center the largest hospital north central arkansas where fewer than one third of residents are vaccinated and even fewer people are protected in surrounding counties that the hospital serves it found quote in the first half of june. The hospital averaged only one or two kovac nineteen patients a day on thursday. Twenty two of the units thirty two beds were filled with corona virus patients. Five more were in intensive care in a single week. The number of covert patients had jumped by one third hospitalizations have quadrupled since mid-may more than a third of patients are in intensive care. The retired national guard colonel. Who runs the state's vaccination efforts said quote. We've tried just about everything we can think of for about one in three residents he said. I don't think there's a thing in the world we could get them. We could do to get vaccinated. He added that door. Knocking would probably do more harm than good. Given residents suspicions of federal intentions over to missouri missouri has now seen more than one thousand new cases in a day for the sixth straight day. Joining us now. Staff writer at the atlantic. Ed young. Who recently won a pulitzer prize for his reporting on cove. At one thousand nine hundred ads new reporting is on what the delta variant is doing to missouri reading from it ad from your piece quote. Many experts have argued that even with elta. The united states is unlikely to revisit the horrors of last winter. Even now the country's hospitalizations are one seventh as high as they were in mid january but national optimism glosses over local reality for many communities. This year will be worse than last springfields. Healthcare workers and public health specialists are experiencing the same ordeals. They thought they had left behind. But it feels worse this time because we've seen it before amelia. Montgomery a nurse at cox health told me walking back into the covert. Icu was demoralizing. And i can't even imagine ed for these frontline workers who put their lives on the lines. Many died but those who made it through this to be going back to this because people are refusing to get vaccinated. What did you find about missouri. It's really crushing the morale in these health coworkers. Who i've spoken to your head just about past the winter surge they'd already seen the horrors of colbert and they thought they left the lytham those horace behind them and they spent the spring while the rest of us hadn't easier time doing catch up work and still work incredibly hard and now they're getting pummeled by this search richest. Really taken the my surprise this seeing the same problems again. They're exhausted again. That overwhelms again but the overwhelmed in a situation. When extraordinarily effective vaccines plural are available to people and at a time when so much of the country seems to have left the pandemic behind that is really crushing morale. And it's making it much harder to do the daily life saving work that we all depend on them to do. And what are they hearing. what are you what. What is your reporting bearing out in terms of why these people are not getting vaccinated distrust. Obviously the issue has become so heavily. Politicised that a lot of people have just completely made up their minds about the pandemic about the vaccines issues range. All across the board people think that some people think that the The pandemic isn't really a problem at all. The coaches is not a problem that it only affects young people and sadly a lot of the icu's hostels where i've spoken to staff filling with much younger. People people in their thirties and forties and those people are much sicker than they were this time last year. So i'm hearing. That's the reporting is reflecting what i've been reading across the country when there is a rise in covet patients in hospital say are younger and they are much sicker. But ed you talked about this being so politicized and that's leading to some to not get the vaccine. What's what's palu sized about science. Scientists fax this vaccine has been around now for more than a year. People have seen the death toll it is massive and science is proving by actual results being seen across america that the vaccine works. I understand how. What do you mean by politicized what is happening in the minds of the unvaccinated unvaccinated that the concept of science is politicized in their mind. So i agree with you that the vaccines have proven their effectiveness not only in the initial clinical trials but also in practice They work incredibly. Well not only against the original virus but against the delta variant as well. I do think that people make decisions. Not only based on the evidence around the but also on what they're hearing from their own communities and the people around them and sat the i think that issues about vaccines and the pandemic being completely embroiled in these political identities that people people are looking around their communities and how they're making decisions and that's weighing what they're doing in response to the vaccines and you know unless we can sort of breakthrough that unless we can establish great trust with people who distrusting the government the medical system Science hall. We are going to not make progress And i think people who are speaking to southwest missouri and the public health departments that trying very hard and they're making slow progress in establishing that trust with resistant communities but trust is very slow to bill and delta moves very very quickly attlee shorthair. Here you have done just such a great public tribute with all of your fantastic reporting over the past year and have really just dove into this at such a granular level. I if you. In a recommendation to policymakers what could the government and government officials be doing to better communicate more. Could the general public. I i guess. The media writ large. Be doing to actually have an impact in this war of ideas when it comes to convincing unvaccinated. People to go and get jabbed. So what i've tried to do to reflect the stories of the people on the ground who are trying to deal with this current surge to show people what it's actually like to be a healthcare worker right now I feel like those personal experience are going to be more impactful than just showing starts of how quickly the delta variant is rising. I've had e mails from reduce who've used those pieces to talk to their relatives. Who had no idea how bad things were hostels. I think if you for most of us going out right now. Birds are chirping in the streets. People are having fun in the summer. You wouldn't have any idea of what is going on in the emergency rooms and some of these places are heavily unvaccinated. I've also talked about trust. Folks at the southwest missouri had the health departments in southwest missouri. Trying really hard to get a trusted voices to talk to their neighbors. Whether it's firefighters pastors or or even people's neighbors going door to do talking to folks about the vaccine members of their own community and their own terms. I think that approach of Doing community outreach. On a very personal basis is going to be much more effective than hectoring people from like a national platform absolutely so add my question to you is the unvaccinated who are suffering from cove. Ed are also obviously getting a lot of disinformation. Relying on on some sort of disinformation. So who or where are they getting this information that they are so vehemently sticking to of oceania love. Different sauces New social media. From each other or i wear a social species and we look at what our neighbors our friends our families doing. And we have a large number systems that allow information to spread very easily Across these networks. And in this problem i think has become was over the last year and a half from a loss of people who are trying to get. Vaccinations say that people's beliefs are more entrenched than they were a year and a half ago and often takes experience with the bars in your local community. Take seeing your own loved ones dying around you to change people's minds and often on virtually that's too late all right ayaan. Thank you so much. We'll be reading your new reporting for the atlantic. We really appreciate it. Thank you for coming on the show this morning. A more news around corona virus this morning five texas democrats have now tested positive for covert since coming to washington last week all are members of the state house delegation that fled to dc in an attempt to block texas republicans from passing restrictive. Voting laws. All five or said to have been fully vaccinated. The texas house democratic caucus has the five or feeling good or with only mild or no symptoms and jonathan lemere. This is my next point. Obviously we're going to be talking to experts Throughout the week about this but the delta variant and the vaccinated are being are being impacted by this new variant and those who are unvaccinated. Who were lowering this this virus to really fester through the country people who have been responsible and gotten their vaccines are now being stricken. That's right me. And we see i in this texas case we have seen a number of republicans seizing on this and suggesting blaming them. There's a picture that went around last week when they first arrived in washington there on the flight from texas. They weren't wearing masks and this may hinder their ability these legislators to have meetings while they're in dc. We have few positive cases now. We know that they met with vice president harris at the end of last week. Her office says she is fine. She's did not reach the threshold where she has to quarantine and there had been talk of meeting with. President biden this week but they may get more complicated considering these positive cases but to your bigger point there is no question here that we're seeing with this delta variant is scary stuff certainly public. Health officials are very mindful. And that's why there's such urgency to try to get those who refuse to get the vaccine to get them jabbed to try to tell them. Look this is about you. It's about your family. But it's about the country writ large that we're seeing masked mandates reinstated and places like los angeles with real fears that could grow elsewhere across the country. Places that right now maybe still have lower rates of infections because they have higher rates vaccinations but that could change because we are seeing some people who've done the right thing the vaccinated still get the get in. Nineteen yes they seem to be mild cases maybe even a but they would have the ability to spread the virus which is perpetuates this. And as you know. Mega public television's greatest warning. Where fear is not just with this variant. Could do right now to the pockets of unvaccinated but that the longer a device allowed to stay out there across the country across the world that more variants could emerge could be even more dangerous and perhaps even get around. The defense offered by the vaccine. And what's frustrating here is that i'll just say we're gonna end up going back to masking and that's going to be a huge political issue. We're going to have people fighting and walmart's about whether or not they have to wear their mask or on planes. We already are. We still are. But we're going to have to go back to max king and the reason we're going to have to go back to it is because of the unvaccinated because they're allowing the variants into this country and they are getting the vaccinated people sick and the only way to keep it from passing to person to person. If you're not gonna get the vaccine is to wear a mask. Let's turn to the impact on the olympics in a blow to the us delegation ahead of friday's opening ceremony rising tennis star coke off has tested positive for the corona virus and will not make her olympic debut in tokyo. Nbc news foreign correspondent. Mollie hunter has more seventeen year. Old tennis star. Cocoa gov announced she had tested positive for covert nineteen forcing her to pull out of the olympics. I'm so disappointed to share the news. She wrote on social media. It has always been a dream of mine adding. I wanna wish team. Usa best of luck and safe gains earlier this month. God played at wimbledon and before that the french open but it's unclear if she had been vaccinated before travelling to europe or where she tested positive in tokyo with less than a week until the opening ceremony. The case numbers arising there is no such thing as zero risk and that we all agree at the same time the mingling and crossing of population is incredibly limited incredibly limited and we can ensure that transmission between the various groups is almost impossible. I'm qualifying almost since july. First according to the organizing committee fifty five people under their jurisdiction of tested positive for cove it including four athletes all non-residents japan for media and the others games concerned personnel on sunday. The south african team announced two players had tested positive in the olympic village screening program since first of july has already delivered more than thirty thousand results. So that's how diligent we are in terms of monitoring the population which is year and we'll continue to do so gallison's of people following strict protocol now under quarantine athletes just hoping they won't have to miss their big event and our thanks to nbc's mullah hunter for that report and this just in speaking of female gymnasts from the united states has tested positive for corona virus. The japanese city hosting the athlete at pretournament camp for the olympic games confirmed the news of the infection this morning but has not released the teenagers name again. A female gymnast from the united states. Let's bring in washington editor at ozzy media. Katty kay caddy here. We go and i was just talking about the masking. That is going to be necessary. I wonder what will happen to the tokyo games as the number of those who are being diagnosed with the corona virus goes up because this is spreading everywhere now again pointing back to the unvaccinated who are really creating a problem in this country and i will quote the us surgeon general on our show who says right now every death that we are seeing from cove it could have been prevented. This is a vicious cycle. What are you hearing me no. We're in the position in the united states where everybody can get a vaccine. Everybody can get multiple vaccines and yet some people attending them down and around the world you have countries where people are begging for back themes and can't get them and you've got this extraordinary iniquity emerging now and it's allowing all of these variants eighty percent of japanese didn't want the olympics to go ahead. They were in a state of emergency in tokyo before the olympics. Even start and they didn't want it because of exactly what's happening when you have a big movement of people and lots of people living together in close quarters at the moment the corona virus is still out there. We may be acting as if the corona virus has finished. We may think it's over. We may like to think but like you said that we may be taking us. It hasn't stalled. It's there but if you don't do the things that we know are available to prevent it if you don't get your vaccines if you wear masks if you don't get a vaccine then it's going to carry on spreading. I keep hearing cases now from the uk of people that have been double vaccinated. And i'll getting corona virus again. They'll in hospital. They're not dying terribly sick but what happens if that person then meet somebody. That hasn't been backs naked. Because new hasn't been natick could get really sick. Maybe that will have an impact. Maybe people in the in the us in those states where they haven't been back snake maybe they'll start waking up and realizing they have to be because the current of ours is spreading again with seeing it everywhere it is and facebook is taking on the white house after president biden called out the corona virus misinformation on the social media platform the social media giant pushed back against the biden. Administration's assertion that conspiracy theories found on. The website are fueling resistance to the vaccine president biden making his views apparent in striking comments on friday. The platforms like facebook. People really look the only pandemic rehab is among unvaccinated killing people in a blog. Post facebook slammed the administration's position writing in part at a time. When covert nineteen cases arising in america the biden administration has chosen to blame a handful of american social media companies. The company goes on to say the data shows that eighty five percent of facebook users in the us have been or want to be vaccinated against covert nineteen president. Biden's goal was seventy percent of the americans be vaccinated by july fourth. Facebook is not the reason this goal was missed. You know what. Facebook is definitely a part of the reason. The goal was not mixed and facebook is a large reason why trump's lies have festered across this country. So that statement is is is rather interesting. let's bring senior a reporter at nbc news and msnbc dylan byers. What is facebook. With that response dylan because the lies fester on facebook you can find them every day. You can find people who go to facebook to get their information. They think it's news. That's the troops and donald trump used facebook and twitter many times to promulgate his lies until he was banned from twitter. How do we reconcile what facebook's position is and what most including the president night states and those who studied this believe and that right now it's a platform that spreads disinformation. Well can live on one hundred absolutely right. I mean you can find almost anything on facebook. I think what was disappointing. Here is that for a long time. Facebook was actually commended for its response to the coveted endemic and then to Vaccine information in light of the fact that it was able to draw much clearer lines around fact and fiction then it usually is as ayaan your previous guests when the atlantic said this has become quite political and what facebook has run up against. Is you know their claims that they can take down rather quickly the assertion that you know back seems are await for the government to plant microchips in people that they cause you know that they changed. Dna things like that but they're running up against that. Facebook always runs up against. Which is this issue of. How do you balance your attempts to monitor factories fiction and not to to infringe on speech and allow people to say what they want and to not a open up a pandora's box by which you start telling people what they can and can't say in that has ramifications for different issues down the line and so when you ask what what is facebook during this response. They saw from the white house. I from the press secretary from the surgeon general and then from the president himself a particularly aggressive effort to go after them and and in their view to blame them for the administration's failure to hit that hit that goal that he had for vaccines and they had a decision. They could be what they thought was the scapegoat for that or they could decide that they weren't going to take it lying down and they were going to say no. Look yes yes. We are doing our best to combat misinformation the form in yes. We will always have work to do on that front. But but by the same token a lot of the reason that people were able to go out and get back to be convinced to get vaccinated nowhere they should get vaccinated was because of us and because of other social media five from where people were able to share this information. And so you know i. I think what sat here is that you had with the biden administration. You had a chance to hit the reset button between the white house and silicon valley and now they've taken things to defcon level one in terms of going after one another and that i. I'm not totally sure how productive that is for either side. I'm not sure it's productive Furred the white house and the biden administration be having a conversation about whether or not they're pointing fingers in passing the buck because they didn't make vaccination goals so i don't think there are any winter is here in terms of this debate. Dylan jonathan lemaire. Pick up on that thread that you just put out there. this idea. That was a pretty pretty powerful off the cuff statement from the president on friday and then we just read facebook state in which they were happy to to hit back. Where do we go from here in terms of relationship between washington and silicon valley. What steps could happen. We start seeing hearings about this on the hill you know. What other sort of measures may we see. Obviously with the free speech backdrop to all of this or just being more sniping back and forth with little change on the platform itself unite Had conversations about baseball again. The white house over the weekend and i will say both sides are being pretty tight lipped. About what the state of those backchannel conversations are. I don't see this blowing open into something like legislation or anything like that and largely the reason you talked about. Which is the free speech issue. Nobody really wants the government telling private companies. What people aren't allowed to say on their platform. I think that runs pretty countered people's conception of free speech in the first amendment by the same token i think there are a lot of people particularly among democrats who are really frustrated with the way that facebook has been handling speech in wish. It would do more. There are many people on the right bluish. facebook would do significantly less. I think what's going to happen. These two sides are going to have to reach some sort of detente going to act to find a way where they believe that they can work constructively. And where the conversation that's happening publicly reflects a lot of the conversations that up until the last seventy two or ninety. Six hours were happening privately. Which was that. They were trying to find ways to work together to basically get the job done. Which is what the biting. Ministration has been so focused on up until now of just getting shots in arms. Dale one thing. I'm confused about is the part where everyone should have free speech to say what they want on their platform now. The platform is facebook and facebook should be treated like a publisher and if something untrue is on that platform one should be able to sue for spreading information and isn't there legislation hold on. Isn't there legislation that could create a scenario where that exists. Because right now you've got the wild west out there you've got everybody's saying everything and things being created on facebook as if it was news. It's sort of a semi publisher. It's a way to spread really good information but it's also a way to spread really bad information. Aren't they having it both ways and every time they say. Oh we're going to get better. That's like a decade now. They've been saying we're gonna get better. Are we really that stupid dylan. They're never gonna get unless they can be. So here's what i will say me. That's a great question and it's a little too early on the west coast to get into section two thirty law but yes. There is an argument to be made that you should take away their immunity that that facebook should be responsible for what appears on their platform. I think the point that i'm trying to make is that when we see these issues about misinformation or harmful content spreading on social media. I think we have a gut reaction which is facebook. doesn't care enough basic should be doing more. They could be doing more. And i think the only thing i'm trying to articulate is that the view from facebook is decidedly different. Their view is that we don't see this one issue in a vacuum. We we see anything we do where we start telling people what they can and can't say begins to open up all sorts of questions about how we apply that in the future with different issues and globally on a global scale and again to go back to my initial point with kovin. It was easier for them to actually say what you couldn't could not say you cannot say that bill gates is trying to plant chips in people and that's why we have. Vaccines cannot say that. Vaccines cause autism on the platform. But you're talking about a massive platform with a massive user base and people continue to find ways to skirt those issues. It is entirely fair to say that facebook could do more. They could be far more aggressive in terms of how they police that content and they could get rid of moore content that even skirts the line of misinformation or misleading content. What they are trying to do. And i think this reflects the philosophy of mark zuckerberg himself and it frustrates a lot of people particularly rebels. Victory folks on the left is he's constantly thinking about the long game of protecting speech and and as a private company. He can do what he wants he can. He can shut down speech. He can keep speech to a fault. But that is the philosophy governing what he is doing and that is why we constantly and like you said mika. We'll continue on insecurity issues about where harmful content runs up against the line of acceptable speech. You know what at this point. That'd be more people dead then free to speak on that platform and i think we can have free speech without facebook. Let people be able to sue them. Treat them like a publisher section to thirty one or more awake. We'll talk about it. But i hear what you're saying but that that actually is is is not good enough anymore. I want to protect free speech. No we want people to be protected from disinformation to be protected from dying in this country to be protected from people like donald trump. Who spread disinformation four. Who love to make sure that the division and the death continues and dylan byers. Thank you for your opinion comeback Let's talk about this more. But i just want to talk about donald trump and his followers and the doubt that he is now sewing in the bond administration which is flying around on facebook. And he's sowing doubt about the vaccine and using the biden administration now as sort of the enemy to vaccine. He's twisting it again. So let's just look at the facts. Look at the hospital records. Look at the people who are still dying the. Us surgeon general says ninety nine percent of those people who are dying. Don't have vaccines. They all could be preventable. Deaths and all of the heartbreaking stories of the husbands or wives being put on ventilators and dying in at the last moments in their last breath of life. They regret that they listen to politicians or cable news hosts who followed their dangerous demented advice. Instead of just listening to their doctor. I need to explain something this morning. We've been saying that those people following donald trump off a cliff. We're living as if as if it was like a cult. Let's be clear about this. This is not cult like behavior. This is not like a cult. This is now how people behave when they are in a cult is because they are in fact living in a cult. That's the definition of one and it's killing them. Whether you're talking about david koresh in waco or the jonestown mass suicides or donald. Trump's lies about kobe. People died and people are dying and they are dying because donald trump and his evil allies on cable news and on social media and don't capitol hill. Seems like a very strong word. Evil until you understand. Just how many people. This cult continues to kill also making headlines this morning. President biden's bipartisan infrastructure. Deal faces a major test this week. Will lawmakers agree on how to pay for the package before wednesday vote plus while republicans downplayed what happened on january six many gop lawmakers knew the of what was unfolding during the capital riot. The washington post. Philip joins us with that new reporting and it is sentencing day for the first january sixth felony defendant. We'll talk about how today's outcome could set the benchmark for other insurrectionists facing charges. If you're watching morning. Joe we'll be right back whether it's the politics of climate change the effect of marijuana laws or the challenges of racial injustice. Get your daily dose of enlightening articles. 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They're now going to debate it again and vote again entrust standards over here saying at msnbc. This is what we do and this is. We are welcome back to morning. Joe live look at the capital forty past the hour. Pretty nice day in d. c. dozens of people from across the country gathered outside of washington c. Jail on saturday to protest for the release of people charged in the january six capital riot the washington post reports. The group was protesting about fifty people who are being held in jail whom they called non violent american patriots but one of those alleged patriots will face sentencing later today. The first under felony charges joining us now. Nbc four washington investigative reporter scott macfarlane. Who's covering the sentencing and plea bargaining hearings today for. Riders charged their participation in the capital insurrection. And scott. today you say is going to be a really big day frame it out for us. It's really the perfect test case today. Mika paul hodgkin's of florida faces sentencing. We could get a really good read on what others charge in. The insurrection could face for their punishments after hearing hodgkin sentence. Here's why the feds say hodgkin's didn't assault any one or break anything inside the capitol. But they say he was inside the senate chamber with a trump flag and in their words ready for the possibility of violence with a rope. Goggles and gloves prosecutors are going to ask the judge to sentence hodgkins to eighteen months in prison today. Let's see what the judge decides says the judge spare hodgkin's prison that'll get noticed. Does the judge go higher and order more prison time. That would send a chilling message to other defendants and give you a preview. What the arguments are actually going to say today at ten. Am we spent the weekend reading through pre hearing filings. Hodgkin's going to ask for leniency. Saying he showed quote courage and strength by being among the first to plead guilty. And he's gonna drop an analogy to the civil war. The leniency grant showed late which is an interesting choice. The feds will argue about the collective damage. The one point four million dollars in damage to the property at the capital the emotional and physical damage to one hundred plus officers. And they're going to say this to that when he walked from the ellipse to the capital. Paul hodgkin's at one point seven miles to change his mind and he did not a lease scott. Elise jordan. here you this. Individual is one of so many who stormed the capital who destroyed property. Who will did. I know violent weapons maybe not his case but there just isn't though doesn't seem like there's going to be much repercussions for what happened that day. Very few individuals are actually going to serve any time for their role in it. Do you think that it's at the end of the day. Very hard thing to prosecute. Well there's another tier of defendants who are in my words. Here higher than paul hodgkin's there are defendants who are accused of salting police with chemical spray with baseball bats. Hockey sticks and sharpen flagpoles. There are defendants accused of conspiracy. So hodgkin's gives us a read whether the judges are going to take a firm line or a softer line based on what the prosecutors recommend but there are so many other defendants who are facing more serious charges and the possibility of several years in prison. This may be a good test case but it's not the ceiling all right. Nbc four washington investigative reporter. Scott macfarlane. Thank you very much and republican lawmakers inside the capitol on january. Sixth understood the real danger despite what some of them say now. The washington post. Philip makes this argumentative new analysis piece based on the reporting in an upcoming book by washington post journalists. Gop senator dan sullivan of alaska for portly called the joint chiefs chairman. Mark milley to warn him that the situation the capital was really eft up down here. Meanwhile senator lindsey. Graham reportedly called. Ivanka trump together her father to quote. Tell these people to leave. Staunch trump supporter congressman. Madison khansorn told a local paper the day after the attack quote. I don't want to over exaggerate here. But it was the closest. I've ever been thinking to nine. Eleven thinking that a major monument to american success and prosperity is being attacked by people who want to subvert it the north carolina republican added impart quote. Even though a lot of those people probably would have voted for me. I can't support that. with more. In his analysis of how republicans felt as the capital was overtaken by angry trump supporters. Let's bring in national correspondent at the washington. Post philip bump and this backs up my call to argument i'm sorry but these republicans who were there who were barricading doors. Who were fleeing for their lives. Who probably were more scared than they've ever been in their lives. Who were in a situation where people died capitol. Police officers died. Rioters died were. There was chaos and violence and the american flag was used to pummel torture capital. Cops we're our democracy was interrupted as it was in process. These people are now standing by trump in their argument. That oh nothing to see here. Can you tell us more about what you found. In terms of republicans who had very different reactions days later than they did in real time. It's really quite fascinating deceive even for those who are not actively saying oh this was not as big a deal as as it's been out to be there's a lot of silence as well a lot of people who are simply not saying here. Here's what actually happened. And if you go back and look at the record you know that that the peace to which you refer was a combination. Both of new reporting from my colleagues. Philip brooklyn carol lending in a new book and old old news articles. Like the one that you cited for madison coffee. But you have all sorts of legislators in that moment are reacting very strongly as one would expect with with an angry mob beating down the doors of the chamber confronting one another liz. Cheney the telling-off jim jordan but a very strong from ballet saying that he was. He was to blame for mitt romney on the senate side doing the same to some of his colleagues including josh. Holly you have multiple people calling the whitehouse kellyanne conway reported calling calling trump. and mainly. Hey you've got to do something about this. There are all these people who in the moment are seeing. This is a crisis that needs to be fixed. Who then days or weeks later are the sitting mute or actively supporting the idea that was that i mean there's this there's this famous photo of representative clyde. Who is helping to parakeet the door and house chamber shouting and obviously agitated who them later said. It looked like a normal tourist. And it's just this discrepancy which is absolutely shocking. Hey philip johnston mirror perhaps famous apple. This of course is gop leader mccarthy who was on a frenzied phone call with president trump during the riots. Say hey he's your supporters. Tell him to stop. The two men got into heated exchange in the back and forth exchange and then later of course mccarthy's sided with trump and started to downplay the whole thing. Speaking of mccarthy. He is going to be. We believe announcing. Gop representatives for speaker pelosi's pelosi select committee on the events of that day. What are you waiting what you're hearing. What are your reporting. Who might be on there but more than that if not particular names. We're the broad themes these can be this going continue the trend. Republicans whitewashing downplaying. What happened. yeah. I mean. I think that's absolutely the case. I mean the fact that leader mccarthy himself who is reported by member of his own caucus who have been told by the president they simply didn't lovely country enough and that's why he's objecting to happening at the capitol which is just a mind boggling thing to say that we're you know we've heard for months and so sort of used to it by now But there's nothing there's no political impetus and this is the key point in. This goes to make his point. There's no political impetus for kevin mccarthy to take a strong stand against donald trump right now beyond of course the american public rising up and saying. Hey this is something we're concerned about. Within the republican party there remains a lot of confidence in donald trump remains a lot of interest in moving past this as well recognizing the obviously more problematic aspects of it but kevin mccarthy is not going to put for people who he thinks going to take a critical eye toward president. Trump's behavior of the republican party's behavior. I don't think he's gonna go safari nominate someone like marjorie taylor green. Who's been advocating for sitting on the committee basically saying she's going to submarine as possible. But i don't think that it's like you know we may see someone like jim jordan who is put forward as a name who obviously has some. He holds leadership position. But he's not going to be someone who's there actually actually trying to make the mission successfully now the washing philip. Thank you very much. And tomorrow we're going to be joined by caroline ag- and philip rucker for their much discussed new book about the final days of the trump administration and just to button up the two stories that we've really framed here at the top of the stories to strains really nuts covert nine thousand. Nine hundred and the january six insurrection. That's what it was. And in both cases what you're seeing is massive groups of people including our leaders and hosts on fox and other trump networks and their desire to relate deny the truth in the name of their leader. Donald trump coming up new cases of havana syndrome are popping up among. Us diplomats in austria. Intelligence officials are intensifying efforts to figure out what or who is behind the mysterious health incidents plus more flash flooding hits. Germany adding to the devastation. We saw last week. We'll have the very latest on the enormous scale of destruction and former fda commissioner. Dr scott gottlieb will be our guest this morning after warning that delta variant could be the most serious virus unvaccinated americans get in their lifetime morning jones. Coming right back. Our world is facing some big challenges. Chuck todd breaks down a deep dive into a new topic covering all the big stories. We're going to cover one. single subject. Impacting american politics exploring an explaining the critical issues that affect our future meet the press reports. All episodes of season two are now available on demand on peacock. Air comes your wanna right here. Didn't take for college. The over eleven months after his first major victory in front of an empty venue at the pga. Championship fans applauded. Twenty-four-year-old american colin morokawa yesterday after he closed with a bogey-free four under sixty sits at royal st george's be win in his debut at the british open. Morikawa is now the first golfer to capture two different majors on the first attempt. Joining us now. Us national editor at the financial times et loose and also president of the council on foreign relations. Richard haass who's also our golf correspondent and as our golf correspondent richard. Do you have anything to say this morning. I don't think your introduction quite captured. The idea that went the last thirty one holes without a bogey. The the idea that he's twenty four. He did this in his first. Go out going in the tournament. And he doesn't hit the ball. will he. Is as much of a throwback to pure golf as we've seen in years and it is just wonderful to watch him. he compete so composed. He is so ready for this kind of pressure. This is an extraordinary Young athlete who i think is going to be playing at the highest level for literally decades decades to come. He is somebody to admire. And to and to watch column. Marco wins british open for a second major. We'll be following his story And now we'll move to foreign policy and richard haass. You say there are two major issues. That are impacting our national security our foreign policy and they're not necessarily afghanistan or iran or china although they're all huge issues but more like corona virus for starters and explain explain how that's creeping back into what could impact our strength in the world was hurting us into the great accomplishment of the by the administration meeker early on was this demonstration of american competence to produce in large numbers this vaccine and then to distributed around the american people and people around the world said wow america to some extent the america we recognize eroding. We are now undermining or diluting That positive impression and what this is what this is sending the signal that again. This is a fundamentally divided country. That doesn't have the basic social consensus. And so it's weakening us both here at home physically and economically. It's gonna get in the way of economic recovery. it's going to be wildly uneven. We came out of this govan with tremendous inequality. this is going to exacerbate it Big time and this is of a larger problem around the world. Which is cova isn't going way. You see what's happening in the uk. The global response in terms of vaccine production and distribution is woefully inadequate. So much of the world won't recover. Variants will keep popping up this phrase that people like me us all the time global or international community. Guess what there isn't one. Yeah there's there's no bus stepping up totally understand and agree with that. I want to come back to you with the impact on our foreign policy. But and what's going on in the uk as it pertains the corona virus. How do we compare delighted you. You're not asking me about the gulf in the uk covered very well and i have nothing to add well today. I'm boris johnson. The prime minister is pronounced as freedom. Day this is the day where britain doesn't just relaxed restrictions. It's making a bonfire of getting rid of all restrictions all social distancing masking mandates everything and declaring it to be freedom day. This is at a time when the infection right because of the delta variant has written by a factor and and then our six-week temer up now about fifty thousand actions day twice the level of infections america is having with the v the population and forecast to double again to one hundred thousand a day which is the height of where it was during the worst of the pandemic so there is almost unanimous Sort of outcry from scientists not just in britain but outside of britain to protest against this highly premature very crude measure seemed to be only two gears in britain. I the very severe kind of lockdown or completes that free for all throwing caution to the winds and boris johnson is switching from one to the other with no gears in between and it's an experiment i guess would be the polite way of punching highly risky one and will probably result. At least this is what scientists awarding in exactly the opposite of what johnson intense. Which is another lockdown. Come the full width because this is giving the virus the opportunity to breathe circulate mutate and develop new straits.

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Morning Joe: Memorial Day

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Morning Joe: Memorial Day

"In order to support our show. We need the help. Great advertisers and we want to make sure those advertisers are ones. You actually wanna hear about but we need to learn a little more about you to make that possible so go to pod survey dot com slash morning hyphen. Joe take a quick anonymous survey. That will help us get to know you better that way. We can bring on advertisers. you won't wanna skip. Once you've completed the quick survey you can enter for a chance to win a hundred dollar amazon gift card terms and conditions. Apply again this pod survey dot com slash morning hyphen. Joe thanks for your help. Folks re unique and all the history. We really are with those names on that wall. And every other wall in tombstone in america veterans is the reason why we're able to stand here. You can't kid ourselves about. And so i hope. I hope that the nation comes together. We're not democrats republicans. Today we're americans were americans. Give him alive time. Remind everybody who we are. We have been tested. We still we surely tested further. But i know that we as a people are up to the task. Each generation americans receives a precious give liberty. We work to share it with more people to make our country more open more free more fair. It's a great message. We are wine country. You know coming out of a memorial day weekend. I know a lot of people will try to take what one politician says and make something pig out of it or take what somebody on the other side says an attack them for that or claim bid one party has exclusive rights to patriotism or the other is the only protector the constitution. It's just the thing is we live in very divided times. We live in very political times. You watch this show. you know that. But it's good to see president biden on memorial day talking about those who sacrificed but also about what this country has been through the difficult times as country's been through and the fact that we are one nation. And if you really really if you if you don't live in side of the political bubble day in and day out you actually do see that when you go. Well they're men and women actually a boys and girls you know. I actually getting along day in and day out in their lives working together as a country and yes it's very it's very charged around politics right now. It hasn't been for twenty twenty-five years but we are one country and you look at the men and women that have given their all for this country to give us the freedom the right to be able to say what we want to say. Whether it's on this show are around your home or in your offices. If you're working today. I mean my gosh. That's what that's what this country's all about and it's what their sacrifice is all about and as one people we honor them and we thank them. And i think his message was wise in many ways because he also very gently said it's gonna take a while to kind of re stabilize and really get back to who we are because it's time to remember who we are as a country and he did that with us. What can i just say. We are as a country you look at so some many which is look at the way that that we really have approached the development of this vaccine republicans and democrats scientists of neither party of all parties work together. The united states is doing better right now. As far as getting the vaccine out and opening this country of than most of our allies are the people that we looked at a year ago going. Why are they doing so much better than us. Really seen a lot of american exceptionalism this year again. It's outside the realm of politics where you see that and we just right now. It's a washington problem and let's hope that our leaders configure out how to move forward and catch up with the rest of the country. Also working on memorial day. We have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemaire professor at princeton university. Eddie a junior and us national editor at the financial times. Ed loose with us this morning and this memorial day weekend looks a lot more like how things were pre pandemic remember that we saw saturday. Mark the end the covid nineteen restrictions in massachusetts and despite the rain. Fans filled fenway. Park to watch the red sox. Beat the marlins i mean. There were some empty seats. But it was pretty full in indiana one hundred thirty five thousand one hundred thirty thousand at the indy. Five hundred came out for the indy. Five hundred at the highest attendance sporting events since the beginning of the pandemic with vaccinations offered site getting really smart with these vaccines offering money. Making it really easy to get the backs. At the movies. The sequel thriller a quiet place to is set to gross fifty eight point five million dollars by the end of the holiday weekend and pandemic asked for the film industry by the way. Mr i quiet place i am. I missed all was was a good. Yeah alex you went this weekend right. You went to the movies this weekend. i did. I went to cronulla and give us your give us. Your review of crew at la corona was kind of it was it was dark. It was like a cross between the devil wears prada and joker so really good disney kid. I'm sure you're little kids. Love two and a half hours. You know perfect. It was emma stone. Emma thomson remarkable. So it's good. I'm not sure for kids but it was really good. I mean emma stone. Emma thompson those two and just about any movies great incredible soundtrack very dark long. Yes sounds great for your five or six year old kid. Not really actually. That's like me bring in my book. Norman okay the script nearly two million travelers heading into the long weekend. The highest number of passengers screened during the pandemic so a lot of people on the move and lows looks like look site. Things are starting to open backup. Looks this memorial. Day weekend really. It was that opening that that we were hearing about last eastern than last memorial day and then last fourth of july and then last thanks. It's finally it's finally upon us it is. I mean we should never forget the speed with which this vaccine rollout has happened speed in this jail. You mentioned The speed with which the vaccines were divided but the second most important thing is how quickly you get them into people's arms and we have i mean i think there's been anything like this on this scale In american public health history. I'm we're now beginning to see the fruits of that. So It's a very different memorial day to the one we had last year. Where if you remember trump saying everything. Should i put up again and kinds of wacko theories this this is for real this time and for the right reasons absolutely new numbers from harvard harris polls show president biden's approval ratings sits at sixty two percent that is the highest mark for his administration so far his disapproval rating also reached a new low of thirty eight percent. The same poll also shows forty seven percent of americans believe the country is on the right track back in january twenty seven percent said the country was headed in the right direction. So joe biden banks some good numbers here the presidency. There's just such visits here. We sit here and maybe you look what's going on in taxes overnight. Maybe we're majoring on the minor here. Or maybe these you know you look at these ago or these polls wrong like you know the wisconsin poll and other polls state polls that were wrong but jonathan amir the national polls weren't like twenty points off if you look at it the national polls weren't that far off usually the state polls outliers and i'm just looking at you know sixty two thirty eight we've seen quite a few up in the sixties some of course in the fifties there's there's a varying degree but every one of them's over fifty percent and this right track wrong track number from this. Harvard harris poll is jumped nearly twenty points. I'm i'm a skeptic. I beat the crowd early And tweeted. I probably back in early october of last year. I don't believe any polls. And i didn't believe any of those polls that were saying fighting was so far ahead but in this case. Then yeah yeah So but in this case something's happening out there that seems to be quite different than what the house. Gop caucus is is thinking doing. Your certainly we have you. And i had our share of poll skepticism. And i think you've right to focused on the right track wrong track numbers. He's a big picture things. And we haven't seen the nation feel this good about itself in a long time and i think and then of course reflects when we're also seeing is very good numbers for president biden in arrange somewhere between the low fifties and now this one sixty two pretty remarkable number and all of these much higher than his predecessor ever obtained in any poll during his time. And i think the big picture stuff is we know. There's a sense of optimism. The vaccine out has been successful and we have seen americans. Now adult more than fifty percent of adult americans have been fully vaccinated and the white house on track to reach at school of seventy percent of adult americans. Having at least one shot fire next patriotic holiday. July four th. The economy is showing signs reopening. It's up fits and starts. There's still questions as to what further federal intervention economy needs to be sure but those are the big things a sense of normalcy sense. The country is starting to look like it was again pre pandemic and not just in terms of the virus but also of course in terms of some of the leadership from the white house. And that's something the west wing. Aids have been really zeroed in on during the campaign. And now certainly. During the first few months of the biden administration america was just sort of tired at the end of the trump administration. It was looking to think less about the president to have more of a sense of of regular order. If you will coming from the white house in an event like yesterday. I think underscores that. I'm in wilmington delaware. Today have been all weekend on pool duty with the president. I was there yesterday for his memorial day weekend remarks and to hear him speak so movingly about the the sacrifices of american servicemen and their families to stand there in the rain for more than an hour a listening to other tributes to make it deeply personal is reflected upon the loss of his son. Beau biden who is a veteran who died six years ago yesterday So it was a tough difficult day that anniversary for the biden family and he connected it to the larger sacrifices of the american servicemen and saying the people as they reflect the best of a nation. That's on its way back into hear. That message from the white house is one that i think also is resonating with americans. We're seeing those polls and joe just frame something. Jonathan lemaire said getting americans to think less about the presidency. The firoz live news coming toward americans. During the trump presidency was just tons of gripping negatively and fighting and sort of a very different attitude coming from the white house. Maybe americans get a break. They think less about the presidency. Not a bad thing but when they do tune in and see what he's doing he's doing something like this which is a big difference for everybody. You know what people can do when they tune in and they see a president doing what a president is supposed to be wondering people honoring people talking about himself not making controversial statements. You know what they can do. They can sit there. They can look at it and smile then they can turn over to the ball game. It's the return to normal john. You know Again we just we just don't know how much did trust these polls eddie but i remember talking to so many people who were supporting donald and saying he just exhausts me he just every day. I don't wanna talk about it at dinner. I don't want to talk about it at breakfast. They don't wanna talk about it. When i'm golfing the whole eighteen rounds. They don't wanna talk about it when fishing. I don't wanna talk about it when i'm hunting. I don't wanna talk about it. I okay okay. Vote for me. I don't wanna talk about it. All the time right and i was hearing that from people that voted for donald trump wise. Well what in the world has happened since the election. The madness has gotten even more intense. And you know. In certain circles people are talking about it more and there is just as sheer exhaustion. It's you know. I'm the wrong person to deliver this message. Since we're host of a three hour. Show me. And i about politics. But i may. It's not good for this country to be talking about politics. Twenty four hour say. That's not who we are fighting about. How are you talking about politics. Obsessing politics people looking at msnbc or fox twenty. Four hours a day or cnn. Twenty four hours a day. I feel like you know then to ferris bueller. What are you still doing you go out and do something get and donald trump have people talking about donald trump including us twenty four hours a day. I think this return to normalcy. You cannot be overstated then you look at these high numbers on the right track. I just wonder if that's one of the things that are pushing these numbers up. I think joe. I think you're right in this sense right and we cannot underestimate the importance of competence and in some ways. The displacement of spectacle Under the trump administration every single day as you rightly describe we were dealing with the circus and p.t. Barnum and our politics felt that way right and there's a sense in which the scenes of the country were coming. We're coming undone and there was this intensity and then you combine that with the reality of of covert nineteen. It's devastation so and of course incompetence on display every single day so we cannot downplayed the comfort that some of us field in the country that government is actually working or at least trying to work. That competences actually at the helm. But at the same time. I want to be mindful even as we kind of make shift memorial day is a day in which we acknowledge those who sacrificed their lives. We're knowledge are dead. Those who have made this moment this moment of comfort possible and that this memorial day is also part of a broader recognition that americ- millions of americans are dealing with anniversaries of their dead people. Who have lost their lives because of covert and then you combine that with the statistic. Joe i think the recent poll said that fifty six percent of republicans believed that the election was rigged and fifty three percent believe that donald trump is still president or something like that. We know that there are deep divisions we have a certain unity but we also need understand that that the country stands in some ways on a knife's edge and that this particular feeling we need to kind of figure out how to sustain it over time in light of the contradictions that define our current day. And i will say when that fifty three percent becomes forty seven percent forty six percent and it's moving in that direction then. I think we can breathe a little bit easier. It is important to remember if it's fifty three percent of republicans who believe that that's like twenty five thirty percent of the overall population and so so not saying that's great. I'm just saying we may be moving in a good direction. I just say me. Can you just look again. Look at what we talk about what washington's and a heated debate about right now and instead of having a president calling for the arrest imminent arrest of his political opponent two weeks before the election and pressuring is attorney general putting into jail or call a news host. Tv show emerged for twelve times and tried to get him to jail. Are to be saying that. You know you trust vladimir putin more than you trust your own intel community that the the heads of what you mean instead of that. We're talking right now. About were complaining about deficits about that people coming on talking about inflationary pressures that are being by from big-spending good. We may have inflation coming up even more. You know we're we're we're we're talking about sorts of things and again there is at return to normalcy. Now there's there's still are there. Republican senator still trying to talk about is that he said how the seams of this republic are being ripped apart. Most americans just aren't buying that and right now. At least they're they're in a bubble talking to themselves and i appreciate what you're trying to sort of figure out what this moment feels. I can relief almost from from the tension of the past four years. And to eddie's point. I think people are taking comfort in what appears to be a normally functioning at at ministration. Even if they didn't vote for joe biden and i think he is achieving his goal to try to be president to all people even those who didn't vote for him. There are over six hundred thousand people who died of covid There is ptsd from the past year during this pandemic mentally and financially and a lot of issues gripping this nation but those numbers as you say joe show that people are feeling like someone at least or something better is in control of the situation and again there republicans who oppose almost all of his policies. The great majority of his policies and wreck. We recognize that. And and the there you can turn if you want to hear that. The sky's falling the world's coming to an end. There are a lot of cable channels. You can turn to that. Weren't saying that a couple of months ago and a lot of podcast. You can listen to a lot of lot of websites you can go to. That will reconfirm those pre existing vices. They're out there. Of course facebook pages that are out there just saying overall generally he the guy sitting somewhere between mid fifties and low sixties. That message is not ten trading. The vast majority of american people right now. It's just sort of over in a bubble well today. President biden will partake in the annual memorial day laying ceremony at arlington national cemetery. And that's where we find. Nbc news national security and military correspondent. Courtney kube courtney what can we expect today so we will hear from president joe biden. This is more than one hundred and fifty years. The tradition of having this ceremony at arlington national cemetery. In addition to president. Joe biden will also here today from the chairman of the joint chiefs general. Mark milley and from secretary of defense. lloyd austin. They'll both make very brief remarks. We'll also see the annual wreath laying at the tomb of unknown soldiers and hear taps play as i mentioned. This is a ceremony that goes back to just after the civil war more than one hundred and fifty years ago when the united states began recognizing this day a lot of people don't realize but back then it was actually called decoration day. The idea was that people men and women would go to the graves of then The men who had been killed in the civil war and decorate their graves over the years though decades and decades past and the us was involved in more and more conflicts more and more men and then eventually men and women began to be killed in those conflicts and in the late nineteen sixties the us and renamed it memorial day made at the last monday in may so we will see that ceremony today. It'll have a very different feel than the ceremony just last year. We students exact same location actually last year on memorial day when then president trump spoke at the ceremony but this year for the first time in more than a year. Arlington cemetery is now to the public. Men and women can come they can. They can pay honor to the men and women who have been killed who lay rest here more than four hundred thousand men and women who are who are laid to rest here. Mika joe and today we will hear from president. Joe biden in what every year is a very solemn and somber ceremony. Nbc's courtney kube thank you very much for that report and still ahead on morning. Joe in the absence of new clues about the origins of corona virus. A lab leak theory is getting more and more interest will have the very latest from beijing plus in texas. A controversial voting bill gets blocked after democratic lawmakers stage. A walkout former texas congressman. Beto will be our guest to weigh in on that. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. Might take more than ninety days but look if this thing came out of a lab there are people in china who probably know that. Even the wuhan institute of technology head at first i thought was. Was this a leak from my lab. So those people have been systematically silenced by their government now that the world knows how important this is to the united states the united states when we lead the world follows that might also provide moral courage to many of these ethical scientists in china for whom i think. This is this wayne on their consciences. I think that we're gonna see more information. Come out as a result of this inquiry that was former deputy national security adviser to donald trump matthew pottinger on the investigation into the origin of the coronavirus. And we can underlining enough because of course we have all the documentation of a trump officials administration officials that came up short failed that were asleep at the switch. When all of this was going on that didn't matthew pottinger not one of those. He called it right time and again. He warned everybody inside the administration early on about what was coming. He that vat guy. If you haven't read up on him you need to read up on him. That's how a government official is opposed to respond in a time of crisis. Like this guy should have a movie written about him running around begging people to pay attention. Not just to. What was coming to america. But what was happening in china at the time so in the he says that he's standing on very very firm ground so former. Fda commissioner scott gottlieb says the theory it leaked from lab. The virus is growing more likely joining us from beijing. Nbc news foreign correspondent genus. Machi- freyer janice is there any indication that china will cooperate with all of this latest investigation. Well there isn't any indication and there probably isn't any hope of that happening either. From china's perspective they did their part with the w. h. o. Joint study that released that report suggesting that the lab leak was extremely unlikely because from china's view not only did the virus not originate in alive and well. They don't believe that it started in china at all and so if there is going to be mounting pressure on china to have investigators on the ground. Us scientists come to look at the records. Look at the databases. Look at any safety audits. We can expect that there would be a discussion around reciprocation because remember at the same time. The lab league theory has been refloated. China has been fighting back with what is could be called the four dietrich theory this belief that the world health organization needs to start looking elsewhere at other labs at other facilities and other countries in particular in the us so the thing is that nothing has really changed in that position from china's perspective except that now this lively has what we can call a mainstream with the us intelligence community now having ninety days to try to come up with something but that too is going to be a challenge. The intelligence gathering capabilities on the ground here in china are not what they used to be and so president biden is likely going to be relying on international partners to try to come up with something that might help steer things in a better direction and janice germany reporting on this new variant. That we're hearing about in vietnam. It's it's a troubling new variant. I mean they all are but this one health officials are saying very dangerous because they believe that it spreads very quickly by air. There have been no cases reported yet in the us however Vietnam which is a country that until this point had avoided. Large outbreaks is now in lockdown. People are being told to stay inside that this is highly transmissible transmittable and they see it as almost a hybrid between the indian variant and the uk variant. And so. they're they're sending out an alert. They're saying that they'll have the the coding sequence of this particular strain available sometime soon but again it as to the urgency as we see these new variants driving a surge infections in particular across asia with this urgency. There there again is is more fuel in this debate about what has caused covid nineteen to begin with it. All goes back to the origins of the coronavirus and ultimately that will come back here but again it's unlikely to be a very receptive or productive discussion with chinese officials. All right thank you so much janice. Nbc's janice machi- freyer beijing. Thank you so much. Jonathan lear. How important is it right now to the biden administration to get to the bottom of this to to how much pressure or are they going to be putting on our own intel community and also on china To to get access and figure out what exactly happened here. It's becoming far more of a priority. Joe this was on the back burner for awhile. Administration focused on managing the pandemic here but as the white house put out last week when they announced this review. They feel like it's important to know how this pandemic started slightly better prepared to prepare for the next one whenever that might be. And let's hope it's not anytime soon The brian administration the president is our ordered. It tells agee's ninety days. Do this review. There have been reports of some new intelligence. Some new information that has come to light to. Us officials that spurred this review. It's not quite clear what that is that has not been publicly disclosed. We press secretary on the air force one at the end of last week and she was not willing to answer that question. But i think it also is in addition to the short-term This moment when they're going to push china it starts what is going to be the most complicated relationship of the by administration in terms of an overseas partner or adversary times. And that's china important relationship. This president's going to face a lot of attention on the putin summit coming up in a few weeks But this is the white house that still putting together at strategy on china trying to figure out what to do on tariffs how much international pressure. they wanna place. What should the president's message be on human rights in places like hong kong and taiwan and so on They and we hear from him knowing. This is going to be the economic rivalry of this next century that he's messages that we have to take matters take care of matters at home to compete abroad. This is back the backdrop to this is the first step in this relationship That is going to be times very tents and this administration is. We put a lot of energy into managing all right jonathan. We know you have to go. Thanks so much for being with us. Go sox a good weekend. We won't get into. I just a good weekend. Thank you so much. I want to ask. Ask really quickly before we go to the next story. And you know there was During the first six months of this pandemic obviously started in china but then there seemed to be a spin from china. Hey we're getting. We're getting help out there. We're going to help other countries united states is mired down in its own internal disputes. And i actually started seeing articles in the new york times and other publications saying that this was actually going to be a huge public. Relations win for china. And that really that was. I don't know if the chinese were getting that out. I don't know but but they were trying to spend this as a victory for china that they were able to manage it much better etc etc etc. So there's always going to be this propaganda battle about what happened now. Of course but it was passed out when i read that. How could this be a win for china. But that's what the spend was six months in talking about how important it is for the chinese to obfuscate the facts here to stop people from finding out that this is gabe from a lab if in fact it did escape from lab. It's a really good question. Because if china changed its feathers and just announced look okay. We've been transparent. We're all unclear as to the origins of this virus. Let's open up wuhan again. The virology lab the wet markets doctors and lab technicians who didn't get properly the. Who let's really try and get to the bottom of the best that would actually be a major public relations win for china. But i think it's pretty much zero chance. Hell will freeze over before china agrees to do that. in which case we're going to get As my particular was talking about on that show. I mean my part. Is you right. The emphasize reported on earlier size outbreaks in In china east asia. He's got some full on this issue. We got some some history as notice. The details of how china have it up previous origins which they did that. If china doesn't cooperate with the w. h. o. This is going to increasingly look by china's chernobyl Which duster blake relations. Blow for them. So i think it's very hard to extract any geopolitical victories from twenty twenty The change of administration in america. Certainly help america's reputation. As does the vaccine wrote out and development but you can see a major geopolitical blow coming out of twenty twenty and that would be china. The word novel is of course Associated with the beginning of the end of the soviet union. It was a devastating blow in the eyes of the soviet people. I think the chinese people are Be trusting what the chinese government says about this. Let me let me ask you this ad. Because it's always it's been fascinating to see what's been having in china over the past few years present. She has been consolidating. Power many say he's consolidated power. They're more than anybody else. Since chairman mouse donald trump of course congratulated that for some reason. But but we i think. Sometimes we don't understand that. China's government isn't a dictatorship there. There are so many complicated cross-currents going back and forth and there is a rising concern about president. she's Actions over the past year or so among many quarters In in and out of the government inside the party. I'm curious what's at stake for him inside the communist party as this. This possible scandal unfurled. And could this be a real challenge to his leadership. If this keeps developing into as you say chinese chernobyl well he has as you rightly say. He's elevated himself out there with chair mao and with denzel paying two of the great leaders of the long march of the chinese revolution. Of course he wasn't around. When the chinese revolution happened he's immortalized. His thoughts jingping foltz in the chinese communist party. constitution he's also Given himself pretty much every title and the head of every metric commission going he's got more titles than any other chinese leader. Deng xiaoping was vice. Chairman of the chinese bridge playing association and that you will of his if he has to He didn't have to display his power but coffee had it so xi jinping showing some fragility here by putting every medal league and find on his chest and he's really made a lot of enemies within the chinese system corruption investigations. And never quite what they seem. They usually ways of getting rid of rivals rather than corruption and he's been conducting a lot of those so i think what we see here is much more brittle chinese leader then The might i seem to be the case and so chinese politics is going to be very interesting. I'm going for what we should be watching it closely. So we'll move now to the middle east Another story we're watching closely whereas rarely prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu could be replaced after leading the country for twelve years leader of the mita party former aide to prime minister. Neftali bennett announced. He would work with opposition leaders to build an alternative government to force netanyahu to leave office for more on this. Let's bring in. nbc. News foreign correspondent matt bradley. Matt what is the latest. Well we got the big headline here. Is that after four elections in two years. These rarely opposition to benjamin. Netanyahu has finally apparently gotten their act together. And they're posing a very real challenge to benjamin netanyahu. israel's longest serving prime minister. He's been in office for the past twelve years. So that's why. We heard from benjamin netanyahu last night as this plan was coming together guys. You know the negotiations for this new coalition. They're going furiously right now. They ran into the early hours of the morning. They're still going on today. Have until wednesday to form this coalition government and so benjamin netanyahu big friend of president trump. He had a television news conference kind of like a news conference kind of a temper tantrum. Last night he called this new. Coalition plan an opportunistic government. A government of capitulation a government of fraud a government of inertia and he even compared the new coalition to push our assad regime in syria. And the melas who run a raw. So why is it that. Benjamin netanyahu is so sensitive about this. Of course it's not just that he doesn't want to leave power after all these years as the prime minister it's also because he's really quite literally fighting for his political life or rather his political freedom. He faces three charges of corruption in three separate cases. Bribery breach of trust and fraud. If he's removed from the premiership he was indicted on these last year. He could opened himself up to quite a lot of legal jeopardy. He could as israel's longest serving prime minister. Also go to jail. Which would be rather shocking. Now all of this is going on amidst of course the conflict in gaza that eleven day conflict. That just wrapped up now negotiations for a more permanent cease-fire ongoing right now egypt is leading that and that is running in the background alongside the rise of joe biden in the united states. And i mentioned before. Benjamin netanyahu is a close friend of president trump and joe biden. He showed that the united states isn't necessarily going to be sticking in israel's camp there was some small but very perceptible shifts towards the left from the biden administration especially with compared to other previous us presidents. so when you look at the situation in israel it looks almost if you squint as there's going to be a real changing of the guard on the israeli palestinian conflict the us changes and the israeli government changes. But you know if this is the beginning of the end for benjamin netanyahu. it's certainly not the beginning of the end for the israeli right wing. This is a new coalition government. That will be cobbled together. It will be very flimsy very fragile thing and it could easily up at anytime guys alright. Nbc's matt bradley. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Ed loose. I have been to this show before several times at the end. The political houdini somehow always slips the chains and swims up to the surface and lives to perform in another show. I mean he's not just a man yahoos not just the houdini of israel. He's really that. Houdini of the western democratic while there's nobody who really begins to compare even italy's burlesque oni Wouldn't match baby netanyahu's ability to wriggle out of of of trouble-spots Jeez i think the pioneer of western populist the successful western puppets to that curdle parties over the west have gone to netanyahu and made alliances with them let his methods from him and forged pacts within parties that formerly you know were anti-israel and in some cases anti semitic marine le pen's far-right party in france like viktor orban. In hungary they learned from that. Nia who how to demonize. George soros a antisemitic. Trope that you know. The netanyahu himself used about do gooding in fearing globalists' So he's without any real in immoral limit as to what he's prepared to do to keep how and this latest crisis with the gaza strip with part of that it led to initially claps of coalition talks to form a government without him which of course would then lead to his prosecution since he's no longer prime minister the various crimes of fraud and corruption. He's been indicted with and it looks like maybe even that has failed. Now the the finally What guide to get a reckoning netanyahu. But i never count him out. He is not tiny skills but he's without moral limits at louis. Thank you very much. We'll be following this and coming up. Tulsa oklahoma is marking one hundred years since a deadly race massacre that destroyed predominantly black community. Msnbc correspondent tremaine mainly joins us live from tulsa ahead on morning joe shoe to be uncomfortable. Reality has made me uncomfortable. Houses destroying business destroy. You know yeah we resilience you know makes it seem like it was easy for me to move my business within a month but i feel like i was just joy in also i can just imagine how they a counter may forget this history but i cannot. I am a hundred and seven year old and have never seen justice. I pray that one day i will. We aren't kissed black and white pictures on eight hours their tap i'm still yeah today. Give my family and like america from gestures that was a clip from the new documentary blood. On black wall street the legacy of the tulsa race massacre examining the traumatic impact of the nineteen twenty. One tragedy today marks one hundred years since white mobs tear arise predominantly black town of greenwood killing an estimated three hundred people and burning down the thriving business community known as the black wall street. The riots began after armed members of the black community attempted to prevent the lynching of a young man accused of assaulting a white woman. President biden is expected to visit the city. Tomorrow we're going to get mainly live in tulsa in just a moment but first epic log. Why is it important to remember this today and also to put it into context as we address the struggles. Today is important because we're trying to imagine who we who we who we are who we aspire to be. It seems to me to connect with how joe opened the show. If we're going to assert that americans were one nation we're going to have to confront this ugliness. We'd have to confront the incompleteness the injustice of our failure to respond to it. Hundred and seven year old woman has never received. Justice wiped out generations of wealth in to forty eight hours. So it seems to me that this is not a matter of wallowing guilt. It's not a matter of self-flagellation. It's a matter of confronting the truth so that we might release ourselves as a country into a new way of being together so to go back to what joe said at the beginning of the show. If we are one america we have to tell the truth about what we've done in order to release ourselves into the future of actually being a unified country. Let's go to tremaine. Lee live in tulsa right now. His documentary aired on. Msnbc last night tremaine. How will the city be remembering this today. Good morning america for the last few days this community has been coming together in fellowship. Because aac would happen to one hundred years ago which began one hundred years ago. Today is still being felt in the hearts of those in this community because they dealt with the violence of that day but then the violence of the economic dispossession follow the violence of urban renewal and now the violence of gentrification and so one hundred years later of this community is most desperately looking to be made whole not just for the financial aspect but also There's a sense of trauma that has been inherited where wealth was denied. And so this community has come together. I'm on this. Commemoration to remember what happened but also try to censor their narrative right and make sure that they're pushing the ball forward and hopefully finally that they may be made whole. There are people in this community. Who are calling for reparations. In those calls are most certainly getting getting louder. Even though it's certainly politically divisive in this community still But this community is coming together to remember what happened. Antigua jumping trainers great to see this morning Let me ask you this question. about one. Hundred hundred adversary serie of tulsa and our contemporary moment. No one was really held to account for three hundred dead over three hundred day at ten thousand people displaced homeless. What do you make of the relationship between. Not holding white rage accountable. One hundred years ago and not holding light rain accountable in january. Six kind of connect these two moments this anniversary and the current political reality will certainly the psychic pangs of that kind of dynamically you're talking about are still being felt where people had to live in proximity with those Who tried to murder them and stole their wealth. And you think about january six This kind of sanctioned violence and we think about what happened in on may thirty first and june thirty june first of nineteen twenty one The white community was deputized by law enforcement. They literally drop bombs from the sky and again no one being held to account that sent a loud and clear message at the state was not only not there to protect like bodies there to weaponize waiting to weaponize the racism and so when you think about that violence of january six and how The mob was allowed to push its way into the of democracy. And you think about the way. The mobs nathan twenty-one pushed into the black community of the city of black prosperity thirty five blocks twelve miles of greenwood avenue with hundreds of black owned businesses theaters in beauty salons barbershops. All inflames flames. Instant right and so. I think there is a clear connect. And i think that's not lost on any of the folks here in this community. Eddie tremaine les. Thank you very very much for being on this morning and still ahead former texas congressman better. Aerobic joins us. He will be talking about democrats in his home. State staging a walkout to put a stop to a new voting bill. We'll be right back.

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Morning Joe 11/3/20: Election Day

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Morning Joe 11/3/20: Election Day

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Seven million people have already voted but seventy one percent of the total vote cast in two thousand sixteen of course. Millions more are expected to vote today in election marked by the covid pandemic the biden campaign will make a final push and states that trump won and twenty sixteen biden will hold events in his hometown of scranton and in philadelphia while come a harris makes a stop in detroit. Their spouses will also beyond the trail. Dr jill biden travels to tampa and saint petersburg florida and wake county north carolina while senator harris this husband doug emhoff's will appear in columbus ohio president trump told reporters last night. He expects to travel to his campaigns headquarters. Virginia later this morning and to sources familiar with the planning say he will hold an election night for the four hundred guests in the white house to east room. We're told testing will be required. No word yet on mask wearing at the event so if morning everyone along with joe willie and me. We have white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemaire then builds rogers chair and the american presidency historian jon meacham and nbc news capitol hill correspondent and the host of way too early. Casey hunt is with us on a big day. You're fox this morning joe. It is a huge. of course. will you know. I'm always on election warnings how you can tell. It's election morning right. is it the sweater. Joe yes i exactly i get this wetter out once every four years just election day. Looks really not going back to why. And we're willie. What was the was. Was it truman. Do we defeats truman. Yeah create yeah. Yeah and that for that. It was just sort of a good luck charm and things went from there. Well listen Sweaters aside there a few other things we've talked about today. What i'm struck by. Willie is that that from donald. Trump's i stay in office when he talked about talked about american carnage and lied about crowd sizes and really embarrassed a lot of people inside his white house and across the country and immediately called for a quote muslim ban which remember very early on shut down airports shutdown large chunks of this country. We had the women's march that sunday and the country really came to a standstill for that weekend. And i sense that day. People have been waiting almost four years for this moment and obviously a lot of people in donald trump's side to support him and wanting to show that they support this extraordinarily divisive president. Who has been using division to divide america quite successfully over the past four years but today is the day and my. Gosh if you just look at the numbers of people who've already voted and you talked to election officials in florida. They think they may break all time. Records going over eighty percent today. It's just it's it's it's remarkable thing especially in the age of kovin when the president's own adviser says things are about to get worse than they've ever been. Yeah you know that number. The early voting number is astonishing and it is inspiring to see that many people who waited in lines that long. I waited in a five hour line last tuesday and then this morning on same day voting. I'm coming into work at four thirty in the morning. You see people already lined up at their polling places. It is inspiring. However you're going to vote but you're right. The country's been through so much for the last nearly four years you can throw in the mueller investigation impeachment and now we end here in the middle of a pandemic that most people believed could have been stopped or slowed a long time ago. So we'll be watching starting as the polls close at seven o'clock downright through. We'll look georgia then a little bit later. We'll look at florida and we'll look at north carolina. Steve kornacki is going to help us in a minute to see exactly where this race is headed. But it's funny. You bring up a day january twentieth two thousand seventeen. we've literally been in perpetual campaign since that day because that is the day. President trump filed for reelection. The day of his inauguration about five hours later he filed with the fcc to run again and then last year on april twenty fifth joe biden entered the race. So that's been a year and a half since then it's been a long campaign and now finally we're here on election day. Jonathan lemaire. let's go. Let's go to you and just get a sense of where think the trump campaign really actually believes it is right now. We've been talking for the last couple of weeks about them saying well the polls were wrong. Last time we think they might be wrong again or we hope we can keep it close enough that we can get this into the courts particularly place like pennsylvania where president trump has signaled. He's going to send in lawyers. Do they believe they have a shot to win tonight. By any definition this was an election year. Unlike any other but yet for the president's team base are acting like it's two thousand sixteen again that the president can catch lightning in the bottle on had some late. Magic here too stunned. The pundits and defy defy the polls. There's his team there outwardly. Very confident inwardly. They do believe they have a path but certainly they recognize it is an exceedingly narrow one and we. We know what it is. It's about the sun belt. I it's about holding onto territory. He won four years ago. Georgia north carolina florida and then west later in the night arizona. Even then that's not quite enough. He needs to win. One of the three great lake states and his focused largely has been on pennsylvania. He wasn't wisconsin yesterday had to rallies in michigan including one in grand rapids finale. Just like it was four years ago that started at midnight the bringing it close to his campaign and potentially for now the phenomenon that is the trump rally a but though his age his aides acknowledged however that both of those states michigan wisconsin for long shots that pennsylvania is the place where you want to do battle and they have that suggests that battle could be illegal one. The president has now several days in a row of in very ominous term suggested supreme court decision to allow all the ballots counted after election day. would lead to. He said it would be dangerous. Situation in a tweet suggested there will be violence in the streets. And let's be clear there's no evidence of that whatsoever and this is an extraordinary amount of fearmongering from these sitting presidents but that is their bet is that they can hold serve in the sunbelt and then win it even if it takes winning in the courts with pennsylvania the biden camp though briefly. Thinks it can do better. They think they can deliver a knockout blow early in the night. Perhaps that is georgia. Perhaps that is arizona. Some senior democratic strategists even said keep an eye on texas which would be an extraordinary development. But here we are. Voters will go to the polls. Soon we'll start seeing some numbers and not just have to rely on these campaigns projections and that is a message that the biden campaign sent out to several people quietly last night. Keep an eye on taxes if you're a trump supporter You're in the trump campaign and you've seen a flurry of negative poll pulse over the past month or so you would be focusing on two polls came out over the past few days one iowa state that was a toss up From the best polling outfit and seltzer polling outfit showing donald trump up by seven points and then last night. A georgia poll coming out that donald trump up by four points. I don't usually pay attention to one or even two poles but if you're looking for a trend that would be a hopeful trend if you're trump supporter in to swing states but again if you talk to both campaigns they will tell you the georgia is close and i think the biden campaign is fairly confident. They've got a better than even shot of carrying. Georgia enter feeling better about florida than they have for some time jon meacham. I'm sure because Like you grew up a nerd and while other people were outside playing with their friends. We were reading teddy whites the making of the president. Nineteen sixty and it was really. It's an inspiring book that actually got me wanting to read a lot more about politics. And you see the opening pages opening aligns the beauty the magic of it. The snow falling gently In dixville i forget dixville notch and yeah across new hampshire and he talked about how the process starts magically and it rolls throughout the day and and talking about how the working class americans comet their time more of fluid americans their time and by the end of the day we have a magical process that elects the next president united states. This has turned into so many years later. An absolute street brawl and it is ugly. It is divisive insults thrown around left and right We already have one hundred million voting early and this. This campaign sounds every bit as ugly and every bit as nasty as the campaign that you opened your book with thomas jefferson about and eighteen hundred which is to say. We've been here before the this isn't the ugliest campaign of all time but a lot is riding on what happens tonight. You are frighteningly. Close to the bone on the dorky kid inside while cool kids were outside now. I just had a minor flashback. And so i need a second. The teddy white book is Those first pages are amazing because wight who is a time life writer and really kind of pioneered. The narrative of presidential campaigns says three inquests right and he elevated the the whole world. We live in. Some ways was manufactured and created by white because he elevated the advisers consultants sort of became this rolling drama but interestingly he as you say he starts with this description of us of of the people going to the fire halls and going to the schools and then i remember given the economic times of sick sixty years ago He's democrats got off. Shift it three or four working class. Voters and one of white's lines is if america goes democratic it goes it goes democratic at all. It goes late in the afternoon. The opposite may be true today. But i think this is certainly the most important presidential election since nineteen thirty two and arguably the most important since eighteen sixty four So much is at stake and it's not hyperbolic The evidence of our is which is what we're supposed to follow as americans We're supposed to be shaped by our hearts but we were founded in many ways to actually use our brains to use our minds and make decisions based on changing facts and changing circumstance. And so. i think it's it's an incredibly important Inflection point and the other thing that keeps coming to mind is I woke up this morning. I thinking about. John lewis Because ten miles from where i'm sitting is american baptist college which is where he came in the fall of nineteen fifty seven. He read about He'd read about him until the legitimate till he'd read about authoring lucy the Black woman who tried to integrate the university of alabama early on he'd read about the little rock nine and he was beginning this journey to the pettus bridge where he and so many others whose names we. We won't know who we don't celebrate as much. Did something amazing. This is an this is a presidential election unfolding in our native region. Joe that is fifty. Two years ago was the first one that did not unfold under functional apartheid only fifty two years ago and so this watching the the number of people who are who are exercising. This fundamental right to vote is really inspiring. President obama actually mentioned john lewis speech. Yesterday we'll be playing that for you and just a few minutes. But casey hunt you've been talking to your sources all across the map especially in florida and texas. What are you hearing texas. I think is worthy of a lot of attention today. And i'm certainly hearing from democrats that while they're not one hundred percent sure exactly what's going on there. The early vote totals are so significant so huge that they know something is happening there and as i talked to republicans there is a significant chance. I think that in my sources are telling me they believe that president trump may actually be pretty far behind john. Cornyn who's running for re election to the senate in texas but the president trump has a potential real problem in texas. Now they still are telling me that they think it's possible that he pulls this out. I mean let's let's remember. Just how seismic it would be if we were if we are in twelve hours or so talking about texas potentially flipping going blue to democrats. It's been kind of the white whale for so long but it really is very much in play video much in focus. There are also a handful of house seats in texas that potentially could could flip and if in fact this is how things go. We also have been talking about georgia for the last week or so. Someplace where some democrats now believe. They're more likely to win. Then even in florida. We're talking about a historic potential realignment in that region. That jon meacham was just was just referring to the south and to add florida into that conversation because it's going to be part of it early in the night. Joe obviously knows more than any of us about the dynamics there but there has been a shift in my among the folks that i am talking to on both sides of the aisle there was a sense over the course of the last i would say ten days that republicans president trump had at least stop the bleeding had potentially edged out in front a little bit of joe biden but that trend and remember. Yes we have way more early voting than we normally do. Momentum really matters on election day democrats feeling a little bit better about florida today than they were just a couple of days ago and willie the reason why again and we can give an update. We can half ago or so. Democrats had four hundred thirty thousand vote advantage between party registration in the votes. That come in by mail absentee ballot. Votes hillary Four years ago the only had ninety thousand vote advantage which are our party differential advantage which translated into about two hundred and forty two hundred. Fifty thousand vote lead when they started counting ballots on election. Day But what happened over the last week or so. Republicans put on a credible display cutting into that lead by fifty thousand per day until it got down below where hillary had been forty years ago her ninety thousand plus advantage over the weekend. Democrats sort of clawed their way. Back into contention picked up ten thousand votes on saturday and sunday Word was late yesterday afternoon. They picked up another ten thousand so now that differential up to a hundred and ten thousand they believe they may pick up another ten or fifteen thousand a day if that is in fact the case and they have a thirty five thousand hearty differential between what hillary clinton had four years ago. Democrats believe that along with combination of doing much better with the third party. Non-party-affiliated others that'll be two point five million votes. They believe all that combined means they have a better than even shot of picking up florida. Now listen they think they can win it by thirty forty thousand votes at in florida. A landslide is one hundred thousand votes. Which of course is less than a percent by right now. Democrats are feeling pretty. Good so long as the turnout. Doesn't go above seventy six seventy seven percent so long as it doesn't break that eleven point five million The number that both democrats and republicans are looking at. So we'll be looking at quite a few things tonight as we're reviewing the data which that eleven and a half million number would be obviously an extraordinary turn out rages beyond extraordinary and the good news is. We're gonna know about that early. Vote in florida. It's one of the states. We can count on having the vote bank encountered they do this. They know how to do it. So we will have some sense of florida that leads us well into national political correspondent in nbc. News and msnbc steve kornacki. He's clear across the studio happy election. Day you were born for days like this deep packing. So let's let's set up the day right now for people tuning in waking up and viewers guide of how to track all these states which one take us through how you'll be take a look here. I guess the way to do this is this is sort of the big battleground here. And what i mean is going to look at it from two perspectives. First of all where are the states. Are there any states where donald trump thinks. He can flip blue states. Hillary clinton won in twenty sixteen. There are three the trump campaign's been talking about its new hampshire minnesota and nevada. And you've got to say going into the night. The burden is on trump to show that he really has a shot in these states as the votes. Come in because the polling definitely new hampshire in minnesota to a lesser extent in nevada. The polling though has put biden ahead in all of these states new hampshire is the first one of these. We're going to get a readout from. We want to see tonight. Are there any blue states. From twenty sixteen. That are not going to be biden's states. In two thousand and twenty the polling suggests trump has an uphill fighting all of them. So if those stay blue if you just for the moment keep. Those in. the democratic column biden starts. Were hillary clinton finished in twenty sixteen in that leaves a battleground that is filled with state that donald trump carried twenty sixteen and where he's playing defense in twenty twenty trying to stay at or above two hundred seventy electoral votes. And you talked about this at the top of all of these battleground states which to are donald trump's pull numbers right now the worst. Where is he facing the biggest and most persistent gaps. It's these two states right here. It is wisconsin and it is michigan that is continued to the end of this campaign if you look at the polling. Averages trump faces the biggest gaps. Right here that's why you have so much attention on pennsylvania so if donald trump is not able to pick up a wisconsin and is not able to pick up michigan and is not able to flip any states that hillary clinton carried in two thousand sixteen. Now we're looking at this for a battleground. Let's go into the night with that in mind. You mentioned florida seven pm. Most of florida not the panhandle but the rest of florida. We're going to start getting election returns from there. You got florida. You got north carolina at seven thirty north carolina like florida tons of early vote state. That's used to counting processing and reporting out quickly early. Vote think we can get a lot of results from north carolina's bus. Seven o'clock is georgia although there may be some delays here and getting vote reported out in the core democratic area atlanta the surrounding area as well. That might be a little bit later reporting. We'll see how that goes with the georgia ohio. Seven thirty early voting state mail voting processing early. We could get a lot from ohio in texas and what this sets up in the first three or four hours of election. Night are a series of make or break tests for donald trump in states. He carried in two thousand sixteen states. Where the polling as you have been talking about is very shaky for him. If he's unable to flip any blue states from two thousand sixteen and if he's unable to pull off a hail. Mary pass wisconsin or michigan than all five of these states. Any one of them would be an elimination contests. Look if he were to lose georgia for instance under this combination biden would be over two. Seventy trump were to lose north carolina and this combination biden would go over to seventy. That would certainly be true if he were to lose florida. Florida in fact would give a little bit. Pat could even afford losing for instance. Wisconsin would still be over two seventy in that scenario so these all become elimination contest essentially for donald trump in those early hours now if he can fight his way through those early hours in win the states. We're talking about here. The next big test for trump. Too big test come. One is the second. Congressional district of nebraska is essentially omaha metropolitan omaha. This is an area. That trump won by three points in two thousand sixteen. Remember that give them out. By congressional districts in nebraska democrats have felt very very bullish about this district. Because of the demographics. He talk about all the time. The next test then would become arizona and if the democrats are getting nebraska to and if trump has somehow survived all five states. We talked about here nope. Arizona is no nation contest because that close nebraska to would also under this combination. Get joe biden there. So you see it turned night. Trump has got to win state after state after state to stay alive. If he does we can then start. Talking about. Pennsylvania must win pennsylvania. He's got to get through trump as all these other states to bring it down to pennsylvania if he's able to bring it down to pennsylvania that is the state where we expect to have the slow cow the mail in imbalanced. That could take days that where that scenario could kick in that. This could take awhile. But trump's got a lot of work to do before he can get there. So steve before every election there one or two states That and before this election again over the past few nights. You've had a lot of people talking about georgia and taxes will georgia for the past week or so to set up a setup that state forest obviously very interesting very interesting state. Chris matthews always reminded us that the georgia gave jfk. His biggest vote margin in one thousand nine hundred sixty pretty interesting considering that he was the first catholic to be president of the united states. But but georgia's demographics obviously are changing but the greatest challenge to republicans is just a political bloodbath that they've been taking over the past two to four years in the suburbs of atlanta that used to be overwhelmingly white overwhelmingly republican and always the counterbalance to downtown atlanta. That would go overwhelmingly democratic looking at the demographics in that state. How close do you think this race is going to be do. Democrats does the biden campaign. Have a reason to be optimistic going into night. That georgia could be flipped. Blue yet for what you're describing. There is something that connects all these these three states. We're talking about here. That's arizona texas and georgia. What are the four fastest metropolitan a growing metropolitan areas in the country. Dallas fort worth metroplex houston maricopa county phoenix in the atlanta metro area. The four fastest growing these are four places were democrats have all made extraordinary strides politically in the trump era. And those are the places when the democrats talk about potentially flipping those states tonight. Those are the places they're talking about. Let's call up in georgia in two thousand sixteen remember trump state the margin though was only five points. And yeah joe you're right. This is the story. The atlanta metro area. This is the story for democrats in atlanta. there are nine counties. you're in and around. Atlanta that hillary clinton carried in two thousand sixteen. If you just look at those nine counties knee atlanta metro area. Hillary clinton's margin in two thousand sixteen was twenty nine points. She beat donald trump in that blue slot. You see in the middle of your screen there by twenty nine points now. The problem for hillary clinton was once you've got outside that zone the entire rest of the state she lost by twenty nine points and what that added up to was trump fifty point eight clinton forty five point six now again. This is a fast growing area so because the population increases voter registration democrats are getting more and more bang for their buck out of these counties also that movement towards democrats has continued so in twenty eight. Eighteen in the governor's race in georgia remember stacey. Abrams came very close to winning that much. Closer than hillary clinton came in two thousand sixteen. This same set of counties for stacey. Abrams delivered a victory of thirty six points. So democrats twenty nine already getting high for democrats. They drove it up to thirty six points out of these nine counties in twenty eighteen and they are counting on two more years of that trend driving that number up population growth voter registration stacey. Abrams came within an inch of victory winning their by thirty six. Can they get it higher. Can they get more turn out from there. That's the key to georgia for democrats. Alright steve kornacki. Thank you so much. We'll be watching you and as the votes come in tonight. Joe willie and i will be running election night coverage on peacock nbc universals new streaming. Service will have top election data analysts and reporters who cover the key states every day plus top pulitzer prize winning reporters and columnists campaign veterans and presidential historian. It's all on peacock starting at six. Pm eastern time go to peacock tv dot com to sign up for free. You can also download it on your smart tv or smartphone as you would any up so you can watch us anywhere and we are really honored to be covering this election on peacock tonight and still ahead on morning joe. We have jam packed. Show this election day. South carolina is home to one of this year's most expensive and closely watched senate races. Senator lindsey graham democratic jamie harrison is standing by. He joins us next. Plus house majority whip jim. Clyburn who gave joe biden. A crucial endorsement during the primaries will be our guest and michigan governor gretchen. Whitmer and someone who we were just talking about former georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams. They will both join us this morning. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. We get support from one of the best things in my life. Boll and branch sheets. I woke up in my ridiculously comfortable boll and branch sheets this morning. Just like i do every morning and i'm telling you they're the softest most comfortable pure organic. Cotton cheats on earth because they work with family owned mills all over the world to expertly. We've every set of brand sheets with the highest level of craftsmanship. 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I think we're going to be very close together because he's delivered for our state joining us now. The democratic candidate for us senate in south carolina. Jamie harrison help me help me. He's running to unseat republican. Senator lindsey graham and what has been the most expensive centigrade in history jamie. I'm laughing because i've been watching. I've been reading your tweets and watching lindsey graham. Say things like you know you. Can you have to be conservative. You have to respect certain values and then you're a part of this party and i think your message might have been a little different. Yeah it was a little different mika. It's about hope and inspiration. Bring us together as a community. You know lindsey just he he shows how our touch he is you know he's on somewhat like a relic of the nineteen fifties or something like that. We need a senator who understands the value of our diversity that we all come from different perspectives and different backgrounds. And that's what makes us so great. That's what makes this country so straw and but lindsay seems to not realize that and that's why it's time for him to go i i've known lindsay for a very long time We worked together very closely. And even i've been shocked even though he started moving towards trump hard as john mccain was dying. I've even been shocked by couple of comedies at this campaign. one of them to the effect that if you're black in south carolina you can go anywhere you wanna go as long as you're conservative. And then he made a bizarre statement about women the other day. What are your comments on that all again it shows. How out of touch. Lindsey graham yes And what he's e- the entire time. Joe he's been focus on you know. Democrats versus republicans are liberals versus conservatives. He brings all of the baggage of washington. Dc and the political games. They're back home. But the people in south carolina are desperate for some solutions to the problems. They're dealing with their desperate for how we address. The khurana vars hollows folks who have lost. Their jobs can put food on the table. How do we bring broadband into communities. That have been so left out and disconnected. And that's why. I'm excited about this election day because it's time for us to bring this home. It's time for us. We started this campaign off. A new one thought that we had a shell. Nobody had changed. But but the model style kick south carolina's while i breathe. I hope and i've carried that hope with me throughout my life and throughout this campaign so regardless of how tonight goes we've already want we've inspired a new generation of leaders here in south carolina and it fills my heart with pride when i see these little kids on facebook on twitter. Who are holding up their jamie harrison signs and saying i am jamie harris that that makes me know that we've won this thing. I'm curious about how your background and your family applies to this moment today because as you even mentioned candidacies somewhat improbable in many in the eyes of many and here you are yet here. You know what what was the confidence. So what it that made you believe you could do this well. It was my my mom who was a teen mom when she had me and was my grandparents you know. My grandparents had a fourth grade in eight grade education Grandfather could not always vote here in south carolina and i named my eldest son after him. And you know one of the most emotional things from me on this campaign Because one of the last things i did with my grandfather in two thousand and four was to go vote neat pass away a few weeks afterwards. and one of the things that i was able to do just about a week or so ago was to go vote now. Went with my two boys in. My eldest son is named right after my grandfather and so to go and vote with him and mark. The ballot admin a whole lot in whole lot in. It shows the progress that we have made in this country and that we continue to make you know. It's about striving to to get to what thomas jefferson said. Which is he said. All men i all people are created equal and that is what we have to get to as american people moving closer and closer to that. And i believe that we're making that making that progress and i think this election can be such a historical. This seat was the seat of strong thurman. Ben tillman johnson council. Think about the statement. South carolina will make about this new salle if it elects an african american center have two african. American senators represent are in washington. Dc about progress. It's about making sure that we all are created equal and i believe in south carolina. I hassle it's a beautiful story. Jamie and a lot of people are going to be moved by hearing that and a lot of people were moved as you're talking about the new south and perhaps a new south carolina about what happened just a few months ago in the democratic primary there where joe biden was on the ropes and south carolina namely black voters in south carolina namely black women voters in south carolina. Came to the rescue of his campaign and helped to push him forward eventually. Become the nominee of that party. Donald trump of course in two thousand sixteen year state comfortably by fourteen points or so expected to win there again. But what changes have you seen in your state from. Just two thousand sixteen today on this election day willie So many changes. The most amazing thing is i go into some areas that have been traditionally republican communities. And i see a fee of jamie harrison science. You know i think part of what has changed is that i'm actually talking about the issues that people care about here in south carolina and lindsay is not in our last debate. He spent most of his time talking about nancy. Pelosi and chuck schumer and not about the fact that four rural hospitals have closed or that we have fourteen counties that have no. gyn's or that are rose and bridges fallen apart and that old that all politics are local. True people want to know that the person that they send to washington dc is fighting for them and their families and their communities and lindsay to do that but he no longer does and as a result. That's why this racist as close as it. If i were running against if i was running against the old lindsey i would not be this close in this race but this is a new lindsay and therefore it's time to send them home so you brought up two thousand four. And br brought up that voting in two thousand and four. And i remember sitting on the panel early in the evening and was there was a senate race between jim. Dement tenenbaum and people around the set were saying that the democrats had a chance to win that race and i said no they don't and everybody on the panel said we'll know some people now they know that the republicans win that state because it south carolina. What's happened in sixteen years why. Why is it possible tonight that people can look up and see that actually not only to the democrats have a chance to win south carolina but the democrats have a chance to make history and the people of south carolina all parties have a chance to make history and do the most remarkable of things Send a black democrat and a black republican to the united states. Senate joe the numbers for our early vote or just mindful. We've had one point. Three million people to vote early and the record before that was about five hundred thousand now african americans in south carolina twenty six percent of registered voters in the early vote. The of made up thirty percent of registered voters non non white voters make up thirty three percent of the voters who voted early this time around and so we are blowing in our water in part of it is that south carolina's change we've had reverse migration african americans whose forefathers in four mothers moved up north and now moving back down south. You see that in georgia north carolina. But you're also seeing retirees from the northeast are coming down and they're bringing in a much more moderate politics with them in places like greenville and in charleston. So tonight when you all are looking at the election results look at what happens in greenville. Look at what happens in charleston. Look at what is going on. In colombia those are going to be big indicators and we've seen donald trump counties that he carried with great numbers. We've had lower turnout. The energy is not bear for lindsey. Graham folks don't really like them anymore because they don't respect them anymore and that is why we have a shot at history in this race. Us senate candidate jamie harrison. Thank you very much being on this morning we will be watching and coming up a look at the lincoln projects closing message for voters in battleground states as they head to the polls. Today we'll talk to one of the founding members plus one small town in new hampshire has already returned it's election results with all five votes in dixville notch cast for joe biden. We'll speak to the former chair of the new hampshire republican party next. I'm warning joe. Hi i'm randi. And this is dave were the founders of baba's makers of the most comfortable socks in the history of feet so comfortable we sold and donated millions of pairs. 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How this country feels about itself. One last push to get the train back on its tracks. One day that cannot wipe out the last nine months or the last four years but can clear a path for a thousand better days ahead. One day america on tight rope one day when the entire world is watching like apparent in the stands. Peeking through figures. Come on america. One day will now play itself out right in front of our is our our vote by vote with history on its shoulders. One day change our lives forever. It is november third twenty twenty america. We have the new ad from the group of anti-trump conservatives the lincoln project which will be running digitally and in battleground states of iowa maine wisconsin michigan south carolina and georgia pretty powerful joining us. Now former chair of the new hampshire republican party and co founder of the lincoln project. Jennifer horn joins us. Good to have you jennifer. I just keep going back a good day for us to go back and and take take a look at where we've been and where we are and where we're going you and i again knew each other very well When we were both republicans spent a lot of time together in new hampshire and and yet you've dedicated your life to defeating a republican candidate this year. Something that neither you nor made or anybody that you for years ago would have ever dreamed would be happening. Talk about the journey and how you feel today where it's where it's brought you. Well thanks for having a both of you. Make joe and i have to tell you. It almost doesn't feel possible that today's election day already right. It's been such a long journey from that moment when the Donald trump addressed the nation. On when he was inaugurated talking about american carnage with this dark ugly message and the four years of his presidency have been darker and uglier and more hateful and more damaging and more divisive than i even imagined that it could be but i have to tell you i sit here this morning berry optimistic not just about the outcome of the election today but about what the future holds for our country and frankly while i'm very proud of the work that we've done a at the lincoln product i'm proud to be one of the original co founders of the lincoln project the truth is we're going to be a better nation when this election is over because this extraordinary nonpartisan coalition of americans who have come together and put country first. John meets him as with us and has a question john. I'm wondering as you look back. How did this happen. How did the party to which you gave your alive. Joe served in the congress. The party that gave his eisenhower and reagan and bush and mccain. How how did that party. Become this vehicle for the incumbent president john. That's one of those questions that i feel like we never. I never fully able to answer for some that. I cannot figure out probably it's as basic as an unwillingness to let go of even the least little bit of power Our our party has become my party. Unfortunately at this point has become totally jamaica fantastic to donald trump and the damage of trumpism. They have decided that they would rather erase racism. Hatred division policies that cage children that cage immigrant children and cut completely devalued human life in the way that they have sat back and watched over two hundred and thirty thousand americans lose their lives because they thought that hitching their wagon to donald. Trump would help them keep a power rather than standing up and doing the right thing and actually survey i think the roots of that go back before donald trump i think stuart stevens does a great job of laying it out in his book. It was all a lie But i think more important. Frankly john just how we got here is is. What's going to happen to this party looking forward because there's no place in our country for a republican party. That looks like this republican party right now. Amen jonathan amir's with us and as a question. Jonathan jennifer liga project of course made up of former republicans who've turned away from president trump. Hardly alone a lot of national security officials washington figures republicans. Have done the same. But i want you to talk about some of the republicans whose names we don't know who have broken away from president trump suburban voters women saying years. Talk to us about those trans and in particular where you're seeing those trends in which states and what that could mean today. Sure well look. When we first started lincoln project we thought we could move three or four percent of republicans over to joe biden that donald trump would be defeated. We saw some numbers Late last week. That suggested two or three times that number of early vote of early voting republicans have gone for joe biden. What we're looking at right now today at the lincoln project so to your point jonathan There is a significant erosion in the president's back from two thousand sixteen White suburban educated women especially white suburban educated suburban women. I'm sorry and across a a process gender spectrum there but also the Trump is losing support amongst voters. Who are over sixty-five and he's losing support now in especially in these rust belt states among don college educated white voters so as we're looking at Anywhere north carolina and then pennsylvania. ohio wisconsin. There's a real rose in there Among from the base voters at the presence on two thousand sixteen. That's really going to see. I think a significant push or a significant change in the numbers in those who vote on election day this year. Wow jennifer just want to congratulate you all glenn kim produce especially you the sole woman of the group. I'm wondering when you all started this. Did you think that you would have such an incredible impact and things like morphology worse than the gop. I mean when you what did you set out to do and have you met the goal. Well thank you for that first of all in. I'm lucky to be part of a really talented team. There are eight of us who are original founders. I'm really proud of the work that we've done. Our goal was just to move the needle a little bit just enough to make to make sure that trump did not win. What has come of this has been overwhelming. And frankly quite humbling and goes back to what i said at the beginning That the it just it at the crossroads of the pandemic of the president's just total disdain. For the american people and then into the the racial unrest that we experienced everything just came together in this moment where It was as if the sun almost came out from behind the house where the american people stood together and said this is. This is not america. this is dangerous. This is damaging and it and it has become a movement frankly of the people much more than it has been a movement of the lincoln project. But i'm just so proud of everything that we are doing as a nation today that we are really reaffirming who we are and what the promise of america is all about co founder of the lincoln project for horn. Thank you very much for being on this morning we will be watching and still polls or already open in several states and more are set to open at the top of the hour including in several battleground states like pennsylvania michigan georgia and florida. You're watching morning shows coverage of election. Day twenty twenty. 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"With all that you've done. Where does this rank. Is this the crowning achievement. I'm not putting any made any comparisons. Nobody down here and experienced with this group of guys. Every year is amazing and this team is world champions forever. You can't take it away from us. So tom brady. And the tampa bay buccaneers dominate. The kansas city chiefs winning the franchise's second super bowl title and the seventh of brady's career. Good morning and welcome to morning. Joe it is monday february eighth with us. We have white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemere host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network. Reverend al sharpton joins us this morning. We also have co founder of punchbowl news on palmer with us and senior columnist for the daily beast. Matt lewis joins us. And i'm just got to get my purse out. Start leaning at eighty let. Let's talk jonathan lemaire. You grew up with this guy in new england. Sure even you couldn't have imagined how easily could have won. Last night's game against what was widely believed to be the best team in professional football. Yeah joe. Tom brady the greatest of all time and he proved it again. Last night i was picking the bucks to win. But i thought it would be a very close game. I was stunned. By how lopsided it was first of all let's give credit to tampa's defense they dominated. Patrick mahomes it was a wonderful player. That's fantastic offense in kansas city but the tampa defense was spectacular. I know there were some calls. The officiating was a little suspect early. But that didn't matter. This was a thoroughly one-sided game and tom brady at this point. No other franchise has more than six championships. More than six super bowls. Tom brady a player has seven. He has no arrival in the sport. Joe the conversation is not about joe. Montana were peyton manning or john elway or any other of your favorite quarterbacks. That's not tom. Brady's peer-group anymore. Tom brady's peer group. Is michael. jordan wayne gretzky. Muhammad ali serena williams tiger woods people like that the willie mays babe. Ruth's that's where it brady is. He did it again last night at age forty three his first year with a new just a spectacular night spectacular night spectacular story and. He made clear joe. He's not done. He's planning on coming back again next year. And i wouldn't bet against the gonna go gonna go again. Don't agree with that. And other year and i actually my only correct with you. Is that even as you go across sports. There really aren't comparisons. You can have a debate and it seems. I hear it every few days between joey scarborough and somebody else about whether michael jordan or magic or heard are of course labout route lebron or the greatest of all time. And then you go in baseball. And that's a debate. They could go on and on but Reverend now when you talk professional football and quarterbacks there's just no comparison more he really is in the league of his own and he earned it. You have to give them that. I'm not a great football fan. I watch the super bowl. That's my participation with football. But i was extremely amazed to see how lopsided this game was last night all of my football fan friends with saying revenue watch. It is gonna be close. It's to be down to one play and one play was fantasy. This man dominated all he earned his place. And i give him credit that he is the greatest of all times in football quarterback. And there's no question about seconds. Well he didn't back into this super bowl either. It's not like they played it bad team. They played the best team in professional football against the best quarterback in professional football against a guy who has many great years ahead of him. Patrick mahomes but this this really was. It was an extraordinary evening. Tom brady and this is a team. In september october november. They were seven and five. And that's why. It's the beginning of the playoffs. When i asked joe scarborough because i haven't been following the nfl that much this year. I said who's going to win. The super bowl said he said the buccaneers. I said you're out of your mind. Come on come on you. Love brady a little too much. Who's going to win the super bowl. He said the patriots are gonna win the super bowl and will mirror. I swear he said it and he was right he was and let's think about the path brady took here. This was his first organization. They couldn't have any offseason workouts because of covid limited practice time he goes. He has to learn an entirely new system. And the playoffs defeats drew brees aaron rodgers and now patrick mahomes and look yes. Of course it pains me not to see him in a patriots uniform. There's a part of me. That was sad to see rob gronkowski scratch downs for tampa last night and not new england and he was wonderful to more than that. This is an extraordinary accomplishment for both of those men but particularly brady seven super bowl. We will never see anything like this again. He is so far ahead of any other quarterback who's ever played in the super bowl area. It's tom brady. And it's everybody gets hope you see anything like this again. Because she thinks it's that. And also i think your sons will never watch football with me again because i'm just like i'm philosophical. Discussions about weather. Football isn't okay. Sport and blah blah blah blah blah. So they just sent me to bed all right. Let's move on to the news. The impeachment trial a former president donald trump gets underway. Tomorrow house impeachment. Managers are planning a fast paced video heavy video heavy presentation aimed at reining the reigniting the outrage lawmakers felt after last month's deadly capital riot they plan to show a lot of video the washington post reports that in addition to using new video evidence to create emotionally charged impeachment trial house. Managers want to present witness testimony and updated details about injured officers to make republicans uncomfortable voting to acquit the president as most have indicated they will do the impeachment managers also planned to present fresh evidence that reveals what trump knew in advance of the january sixth rampage at the capital as well as how his words and actions influenced those who participated. The paper continues. The managers are determined to present as much evidence as senators allow to ensure a permanent record of trump's role in the riots but some republican senators were on the sunday shows voicing their disapproval of both the substance and the process of the impeachment proceedings for go to criminalize speech. And somehow everybody who says oh go fight to hear your voices heard. I mean really. We ought to impeach chuck schumer them. He went to the supreme court stood in front of green board and instead specifically. Hey gorse at jake cabin off. You've unleashed a whirlwind and you're gonna pay the price you won't know what hit you if you continue with these decisions so people wanna call paul president trump accountable for language. There has to be consistent standard into my mind. A partisan forest is. You're not doing anything to chuck schumer not doing anything to representative mar. Not doing anything. To maxine waters this face at the house today. An incredibly poor job of building a case before their impeachment vote. If the president wasn't there he wasn't allowed council. They didn't amass evidence in five hours. They kind of judged and boom. He's impeached now. I'm told that. Under the watergate under the clinton impeachments. There are truckloads of information here. It was a video. There was no process. I mean it's almost like it happened in the soviet union. You would've called it a show trial. Yeah i think. I'm ready to move on. Am ready to end the impeachment trial. Because i think is blatantly unconstitutional. I'm ready to get on. We're trying to solve the nation's problems. Well tell you first of all ram paul. I know you'll be shocked by this but rand paul. Of course misrepresented. what happened. Didn't tell the whole story. A half truth of course is a full lie when he got quotes from chuck schumer on what he said. We very critical of chuck schumer on this show when he said that the next day. Chuck schumer apologized and said i shouldn't have said what i said. The words came out of my mouth wrong. Still no apologies from rand paul for inciting riots with his with his words his lies still no apologies from donald trump for insulting riots. They're like still no apologies from ted cruz or are of course. No apologies from josh hawley. For their words and their vote said inside it sided riots and their lies the big lie that led to the death of cops. Rent all still never apologized for spreading conspiracy. Theory that led to the cop killers rushing in and killing cops. He's got that on his record. He's responsible rand. Paul is for the death of that gop. But he'll never apologize for that. Will lindsey graham bill cassidy said it's a show trial bill Buddy way it works. You vote to impeach in the house charging document. No you're not a lawyer but the trial takes place in the senate. So if you and tommy tub reveal can get your arms around some of the basic facts that this process. Maybe you'll be better prepared when it begins. And finally lindsey graham wants you to just move on. Forget everything that happened here. Lindsey want you to forget that donald trump and people supporting donald trump spit attached to donald trump. Spent a lot of money putting together a rally that would lead to a riot. The donald trump explicitly wanted to lead to riott said where people said go up and what donald trump said. I'll be there with you rudy. Giuliani talked about combat justice. Junior said something along the lines of were coming get. We're coming to get you. We're coming for you and it's going to be fun. And so this is what lindsey graham wants you to forget. This is what josh hawley wants you to forget this. This is what donald trump wanted to forget. They want you to forget that these maga- terrorists beat a cop to death. They want you to forget. These trump supporters are cop killers. They want you to forget that. These trump supporters beat a cop with an american flag. They want you to forget all of that. And just say it's time to move along. Well you know what matt lewis. A lot of. Americans aren't ready to move along through conservatives true conservative not well conservatives as defined by ben sasse who last week said conspiracy. Theories are not conservative. A ben sasse lying about presidential outcomes and elections not conservative pudding your politics and power politics against your faith in jesus christ not conservative conservatives like ben sasse and i think you and me aren't ready to just let this go We actually think there needs to be accountability because if terrorists storm the heart of american democracy to stop a constitutional count. What would we be if we just turned a blind eye. Like lindsey graham wants to just turn a blind eye to this rioting and this cop killing. That's reggie look. I mean part of being conservative is about conserving liberal democracy. And i don't know if you can do that if you're allowing people who want to overthrow elections to do so with impunity. What kind of message does that send. Not just to donald trump but to the next guy the next president so i think that if you care about preserving this miracle i think that what we have This american democracy is precious. I believe it's it's fragile and conservatives used to believe that and if we allow attempts to overthrow elections to intimidate people to threaten this thing could have you know we just have to keep reminding. Everybody and i'm sure it will be in the democrats Impeachment presentation but this could have ended up a lot worse than it did. We could have ended up with mike pence even potentially killed if if we allow that sort of lawlessness and intimidation to influence our elections and not to be punished for there to be. Nobody held accountable than i think. We're inviting more of it in the future. That's that's no way to keep together a fragile democracy and let me just say conservative. Still believe that there has to be consequences to actions like this. If you're a terrorist and you commit a terrorist act you get caught and you get sent to jail. Doesn't matter whether you're an islamic terrorists doesn't matter whether you're a trump terrorist there has to be justice for you and so no we're not real conservatives are not ready to turn a blind eye to what happened on january six lindsey graham lindsey. Graham and these other people ran. Paul is now of a personality cult. They're not conservatives you look at their votes over the past four years they're not conservative. Biggest budget deficits ever biggest federal debt. Growth ever supporting a president who was just shredding constitutional safeguards. That's that's not conservatism. That's a personality called so bomber. Tell me what does this week. Look like what is your reporting showing you. Is this going to be a repeat of the first impeachment or they're actually republicans are that are gonna sit. Take the evidence. Try to figure out what is best for the united states constitution and for this government and then vote. I mean this is going to be really a show right. It is important to be done later. All the reasons why the senate needs to take this but we don't expect there is going to be unless there's some really very revealing new testimony that you're going to see seventeen. Republicans votes in pizzas pilot. I do think the things that user watching his lord's persuadable will ben sasse. Will mitt romney. Will lisa murkowski susan collins. Are they going to hear what this trial has. Edmonds it's presented is said and vote to impeach him. Those are the ones to watch. I don't think you're going to see mitch. Mcconnell tako vote to impeach president. He hasn't said where he's going to be at yet. But there's no signal that there's an appetite among senate republicans to actually try to impeach the president. I think mitt a mitch. Mcconnell knows that. And i think he would have problems with his conference. Because more people feel like lindsey graham ransall than you do how this moderate or independent law in the republicans in the senate is going to be fascinating to watch. There's also of course about going on and the house where you have kevin mccarthy who has turned a blind eye actually to all of his conservative values that he claimed a once believe and these in a pitched battle right now with liz. Cheney who actually sounds and talks and acts and votes like conservative views to at the question is is that the republican party anymore. I doubt it doesn't look like it doesn't still ahead on morning. Joe we'll take a look where president biden's corona virus relief package stands this morning as democrats. Prepare to unveil a new plan to help fight child poverty. Plus does the republican party belonged to donald trump. That's what we're talking about. This morning turns out. The answer may depend on who you ask. We'll explain that ahead. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. a record. Number of americans voted for president trump record number of republicans voted for president trump republican. Voters support him still. The party is his. it doesn't belong to anybody else. We're the party. Of abraham lincoln. Where the party of ronald reagan We have to really take a hard look at who we are and what we stand for what we believe in but we should not be embracing the former president. She's doing i gotta say the. For the the comment a record. Number of republicans voted for trump. Could say that about hillary clinton in two thousand sixteen. Yeah a record. Number of americans voted for hillary clinton and do thousand sixteen. What standard is that. She lost donald trump loss. He lost by a record number. I lost to the guy to get a record number of votes from all americans so it is a sad but that quote a year that quote it is his party and his party's allow matt lewis before we go under this segment i mean. Isn't that what we conservatives always bristle that when we heard people say that about fidel castro in cuba when we read in the history books about joseph stalin that the party was stalin and stalin loan. Isn't that what we were concerned about. Like with chairman mao that there was no party without chairman mao. It was what chairman mouse said. It was just like the communist party in cuba was what fidel castro said. It was if it was murdering catholics and it was murdering ethics if it was shutting down newspapers and gelling people because they get dared to speak freely. That's what fidel castro would do if it was shooting down planes cessnas a then that's over the straits that's what he would do. And so now. The years coming from a member of congress no matter that member of congress it sounds very very ominous though party is donald trump and donald trump is whatever you know whatever. Donald trump says a party is. It is vanessa's tyrannical thinking. It's it's called like really a at certainly not concerned learning. Think it's american joe. This is this is almost like a making an idol out of donald trump. it's called lake and it's it's weird. I mean look a a president. A political leader who loses the presidency loses the senate during his tenure loses the house during his tenure he actually sabotage the in. Georgia should not be someone that a party is clinging to of for the future but more concerning. Joe i think is your like this is the stuff of strong men and of colts. We should not place our trust and earthly princes. We should be placing our trust at a higher authority. The almighty of course but also the constitution and principles right not in individual people will let you down. And so i think even ronald reagan would say you know. Don't look to be to be your guiding light at all times. It's trump wants. Trump wants that worship and he's getting it from a lot of people on saturday. The republican party at party. Back and liz cheney's home state of wyoming voted to censure liz cheney for her vote to impeach donald trump. She responded writing in a statement. My vote to impeach was compelled by the oath. I swore to the constitution wyoming citizens know that this oath does not bend or yield to politics or partisanship. This comes after. She defeated an effort in the house last week to remove her as conference chair. Two sources tell access that before the gop conference meeting. Cheney rejected a request from house minority leader kevin mccarthy to apologize for her vote to impeach. Here's more from congresswoman cheney. Is this still the party of donald trump and does marjorie taylor. Greensville hold a solid place in not party chris. Where the party. Of abraham lincoln. Where the party of ronald reagan. We have to really take a hard look at who we are and what we stand for what we believe in. I think it when you look at both His actions leading up to what happened on january. Sixth the fact that he Was impeached in a bipartisan fashion. The fact that that He lost the presidency. The fact that we lost the senate we have to be in a position where we can say. We stand for principles. We stand for ideals somebody who has provoked an attack on the united states capitol to prevent the counting of electoral votes which resulted in five people. Dying who refused to stand up immediately when he was asked and stop the violence that that is a person who does not have a role as the leader of our party going forward. We have to make sure that we are able to responsibility. We are the party of truth that we actually can't be trusted to handle the challenges. Nation faces like covid. And that's going to require us to focus on substance and policy and issues going forward but but we should not be embracing the former president just watching list cheney and by the way she and i disagree on everything but the question that comes to mind is why does it take a woman to do something like this to say something. So basic is it. because she's a mother of five children and she knows you can't equivocate. When your parenting that no means no are there any men who can step up in congress. I know there's some in the senate. Are there any men who have the you know what's to step up and say what is clear. What is the right thing. It's not a bit democrat and republican. Joe this is about the right thing about our constitution. It's about people who were killed this like a riot on the capital. I mean it just seems to me that there should be a man in congress who can step up and use his brain instead of whatever. Other part of his body is driving his thinking. Okay because it's not conservatism. It's not the constitution. that's driving his thinking. it's some amped up desire to feed this beast of donald trump. Who's not even there. I think what's the most interesting thing. And all of that said whatever that was of adam. Kim zingers there Fred up there. There are several other republicans great Who have have stepped forward. But what's so interesting is that they fear a loser. Equivocate on right and wrong to follow up mean they. They don't care about that. These republicans in congress approves a long time ago. They don't give a damn about what's right and what's wrong. They care about power. They they're driven by winning and they are now following cult light. Somebody that lost the white house lost. The senate lost the house of representatives. So i president in. Us history to be impeached twice will never hold off again whether anybody passes a resolution or not. It's over for him. He's lost he's out. He's a one term loser. Close the book on him and yet they still worship him. The question is rever now. Why do they worship a guy who has done more to damage the republican party and this is objectively. This isn't my opinion. This is historically. He's the first president since herbert hoover to lose the house. The senate and the presidency while after he got elected to his one term the biggest loser and the white house since hoover. So why would some backbench a non types and kevin mccarthy still kowtow to this loser mazing thing to me is when you see them capitulate to somebody who has really brought them into political disaster. I was one that. I was all a thirst for power but and and for winning and gaining and maintaining power. But when you have a loser bringing you one loss after another. That has to be something in their character. Some weakness they have you know. I'm a product of the black church. I grew up in the churches. You did you. And i was always one that there was a gap between building the church and building a cult culture built around. People who need weak people are children to hold them up because they have low self esteem. These people may need therapy as well as political defeats. Because there's something in their character that gives them a need for somebody like donald trump to fulfil as. He walks them into disaster. It is amazing to me even as we face this trial this week that they're sitting there debating about whether or not this man who not only incited. The insurrection set silently watching it like he was watching a sports game while it was going on and did nothing to stop the violence and they're still loyal to that it says as much about them as it does him and again. This is objective You can look back and look on your google machine or if you don't have one go next door and ask your neighbor the to kick start it so you can read. There's but in two thousand seventeen. It was republicans. Donald trump republicans. Who got routed. In local races who got routed and governorships in two thousand eighteen it was trump republicans who lost by the largest margin ever in congressional races and republicans lost the majority in the house of representatives in two thousand nineteen vader lost governorships in such southern states as kentucky and louisiana as we say this out louisiana lost those and in twenty twenty. He lost the white house and worked overtime to make republicans would lose the senate. He's lost everything for the republican party. And you still have people going out saying this is donald trump's republican party. Why why you're you're following him down a rabbit all he's lost everything for you and you're still follow him. I don't get it then. You do what you wanna do. You got them smoke them but keep them away from me. Because i don't want to be a loser like you. Because he loses things he's lost everything and so with that as a backdrop jonathan. We're i'm just curious. We showed a clip of liz. Cheney and the cunanan republican backbencher of who. Whose party is this. Who's going to to win out in the battle between liz cheney and the a non backbencher. We'll start by answering it this way that for the long term health of the republican party liz. Cheney better win that argument because this cunanan backbencher as you say that's not a present a winning version here even setting aside. How dangerous and how irresponsible reckless is. It's also just simply if we look at the politics not a formula is set for long term victory but right now at points to the inflection point the republican party is because donald trump still does have this hold over his party or at the very least the fear among republicans of his supporters because he does still remain so popular within the gop on. Let me put this to you. You're you're so plugged in with the nations of republicans on capitol hill. Those in the house. We've seen a lot of jockeying and infighting there in recent weeks. Of course we're about to have the senate trial the impeachment. Trial a begin tomorrow. Give us the latest in terms of who right now. Has the more influential voices in that party. Which in the republican about which part of this civil war. Which side is winning. The liz cheney establishment side or mardi taylor green and these upstarts those more beholden to president trump. I think what's really important is to take a step back and you definitely have changed the world. Who are having their forceful voice in their women now to say donald trump is wrong but they are the outliers you need to recognize that the vast majority of house republicans in particular were elected by and with the support of donald trump. They aren't just there and donald trump happened and they kind of are a gas what they've seen over the last couple of years. These are people who are devoted to him and believe that he is willing to be the leader board. The lisa the receivable future the most important point is though is having mccarthy. He is looking at two years from now and wanting to be speaker. It's something that he was almost tasted lost and now he sees it with his sights again and he's made a decision and his decision is clearly that donald trump is his way to that -sition of power. You has a holder with him. He went down to talk to him. he's been fundraising this is. Donald trump is not going away when it comes to house. Republicans started to see stanton republicans trying to distance themselves from margarita agreeing somewhat from donald trump. But your full of donald trump and seventy four million voters. That voted with him. All right ana palmer and matt. Lois thank you both for being on this morning and coming up. Democrats are expected to unveil another part of the biden stimulus. Bill today aimed at stamping out. Child poverty talk to congresswoman loren under word about that and her sweeping package aimed at protecting the health of pregnant women and new mothers morning. Joe is coming back. I'm going to act fast. If i had to choose between getting help right now to americans who are hurting so badly. Getting drier bogged down in london negotiation or compromise in on a bill. That's that that's up to the crisis. That's an easy choice. What republicans have proposed is either to do nothing or not enough all of a sudden many marie discovered fiscal restraint and concern for the deficits. But don't kid yourself. This will come with a cost more pain for more people for longer than has to be. It is so were so crazy. That these republicans that haven't said a word about the deficit sudden they're conservatives have been so extraordinarily reckless in their spending extraordinarily reckless in the tax cuts. That were the most untargeted unfocused. Tax cuts unless. You're extraordinarily wealthy and you run amazon and you make billions and billions of dollars. Amazon pay zero taxes last year. I mean that's what the republicans were proud of over the past four years. They let multinational corporations get away with economic murder paying nothing in taxes in the most the least targeted didn't target. Small businesses didn't target entrepreneurs it targeted the wealthiest and now suddenly now suddenly after they paid off all their billionaire buddies and they paid off all these multi-national corporations now they wanna talk about. Fiscal responsibility reminds me of the old. The old line that these republicans they preach capitalism to poor single moms but they practice socialism to the biggest corporations and their biggest donors so today senior democrats are expected to unveil legislation provides three thousand dollars per child to american families aimed at making a major dent in child poverty as part of a one point nine trillion dollar economic relief package joining us now democratic congresswoman loren underworld of illinois. She's also registered nurse. Let's start with the covert relief. Bill first of all pertaining to your constituents how they are holding up against the virus and is there room for any debate with this within this bill but the morning. Mika what we've seen here in illinois is rising number of cases obviously the last few weeks they decrease the number of deaths decreased. That's a welcome change but we know that we are not on a path towards economic recovery unless impressions virus so that is the priority. Kobe package but i welcome. The news of this type of family related stimulus. We know that our families need economic relief. We look at the tall that the covid virus has taken on our local economies. We know that so many families have been struggling to make ends meet to pay their bills and to recover. And so i think this is a welcome congresswoman underwood. Al sharpton you represent a district that clearly you. A rising star nationally arisen start nationally. But clearly you have had a heart for the district and we've seen a disproportionate a in this pandemic. How important is this relief. Bill particularly to people that you represent in congress and people that have been not only hit but hit the hardest during this well. The data is very clear that black and brown communities have been disproportionately impacted. We're more likely to be essential. Workers frontline workers and as a result more likely to be diagnosed with covid nineteen and more likely to die and so in this relief package we will be able to get advancements in data aggregation. You know only half estates are publicly reporting there. Kobe diagnoses death data. And certainly not strapping by race and ethnicity. This is an important step forward. Also pregnancy status right an important step forward that will be in the package. Also very pleased to hear about the biden. Administration's plans for vaccine distribution targeting those communities that have most directly impacted We need to be flooding. The known in these be and so when we hear them talk about equity. That's what this means making sure that the people who are experiencing the disproportionate impacts of kobe mansion are able to get access to the vaccine. Yeah i mean the mayor. We are in the middle of a pandemic that has killed almost half a million people. These are unprecedented times. And the need out. There is real and grave And it is true what the president said that. The republicans have just now seemed to discover fiscal responsibility And i ask you. It seems like they're going to go big with this package rather than bipartisan. When do we reset and actually try and work together or is it not possible. As long as trump republicans exist in the republican party will make as my colleague erode this weekend. The president's instinct was to go bipartisan. He's talked to republicans on the phone. He's hosted them at the white house. He's rely on his decades in washington. Both in the senate and his vice president when he was president obama's liaison to republicans on the hill. He is wanted to make this a bipartisan deal. But he knows. The clock is ticking. And the urgency of the crises and lessons he learned from the republicans lack of support in two thousand nine during that economic crisis has made them on the brink of going. This alone going big but going alone probably very little in the way of republicans support so congressman. Under what i wanted to go to you and ask at this point where we're seeing this with the needs so dire and so urgent and so crystal clear and republicans still refusing to get on board with this package. What hope what faith do you have going forward. That the republicans in either house of congress putting your own are going to be reliable governing partners as the nation continues to deal with the after effects of the pandemic. This isn't going to be the last relief bill. This isn't going to be the last major crisis. The biden administration is going to face can republicans be counted on to help. Well we know that their constituent supportive of the bill and we know that their constituents are eager from the financial elite so we know that kobe has impacted communities world communities x. their communities suburban communities so many of these communities that my republican colleagues do impact represent. And i can tell you. Because i represent a district like that to that that my constituents are very supportive of this relief package. They are. They feel that sense of urgency. And they're looking for their members of congress to be leaders in this effort and so i expect that when our packaged comes to the floor for a vote that we will earn your support at least of house republican and depending on the size of that vote. I think you might be able to najib you. Senate republicans representative under would wanna ask you about the mom nimbus act. You're working on an issue that actually has been a huge issue for years. Now what does it do. Who were you trying to help. The united states black women are three to four times more likely to die of a pregnancy related costs. Then white women this is a disparity has been around my entire time. And i'm thirty four years old and so last year. We introduced a comprehensive. Large bill call black maternal health. Mommy bus act with congressman. Adams worked their line and then senator tamwe harris to address. This spirit We know that there are solution whether we're talking about increasing pyramid workforce or making key investments to address social determinants of health by housing and nutrition and transportation komo we're reintroducing that legislation today. We have a new partner and senator cory booker. And we've expanded the mommy bus from nine bills to twelve if you can imagine twelve bill on this one issue. We've included provisions to address climate change and two bills explicitly to deal with the impacts of covid nineteen. We've seen a a real gap in an information for pregnant and lactating. Postcard of women related so vaccine. We need a real gap in the participation of clinical trials. And we've seen a disparity when pregnant women of color get diagnosed with covid nineteen. They have far worse. Health outcomes than white women and meeting save lives we can make a real impact on communities and we can help all women's by targeting these investments and these policy interventions and. I'm really excited about the bipartisan support. That we've gotten so far and representative underwear before you go We're asking all of our guests for black history month to talk about a black american that you want to put put a frame around and you've picked to Chalan how do you know her. And why have you chosen her. Doctor chalan was bred graduates. Will job is university. She was a brilliant epidemiologist worked at the centers for disease control and prevention dedicated her life to ending health disparities and when she was expecting her child away in two thousand seventeen she died re week after childbirth and this is a woman who did everything right had helped here was highly educated Appointment right all appointments and still lost her. And so she is what really motivated her devils. What motivated me to do. This work in the congress. And i am so honored to be able to recognize furry spreadable life her contribution to the public health fines and odd looked up her story today in honor of black history month congresswoman loren underwood. Thank you thank you very much for being on this morning and still ahead the highly contagious. Uk strain of corona virus is spreading so quickly that researchers fear. It could become the main strain here in the us. We'll have more on those concerns morning. Joe is coming right back.

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"Morning Joe supported by the almond board of California, did you know almonds grow in shell protected by a whole on a tree all of which are put to use with a goal of zero waste by twenty twenty five. Researchers are exploring new uses for these co products, including strengthening recycled, plastics, creating fuel brewing, beer and more. Learn more at almondsustainability dot org, Kurt morning and welcome to morning, Joe. It is Thursday January seventeenth along with Joe Willie. And may we have a mess NBC contributor? Mike barnicle White House reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemaire Washington anchor for BBC world news America Katty Kay, and in Washington reporter for the Washington Post. Eugene Scott good to have you all on board is great to have everybody on board. And I just you know, you know, meek you and Willie ni- we've been tough on Rudy Giuliani. I willy especially will Willie specially. Yeah. Onto like his war against Rosie or against. Thank you right now. Or that what? Anyway, but Rudy we attack Rudy way too much. But one thing Willie you got admit to guys consistent, right? No collusion. No collusion. No on it. He stays the guys like what what's this Willie? What says no collusion? That's his middle name. They're gonna put on his tombstone. I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. Okay, Willie his is bowl timely said that my is just pulled his weight that was one you had to go back and listen to again, I thought I on Twitter, then I had to go see it with my own eyes Rudy Giuliani Giuliani who worked supposed to believe speaks for the president United States. Right. He's just personal attorney. He goes on TV to speak for the president said, the president said there was never any collusion. He said he never said that what that's the president's entire argument. No collusion hunt hoax. You can go back through. And by the way, there are times again. And again, again with the president hasn't just said, no collusion, but he said, no collusion or from anyone on the campaign. So he's not just talking about himself Rudy Giuliani. I don't know where he was before the hit last night, but a little bit too much truth perhaps came out, well Willie. Also, I mean, you have Mike Pence who said Mike, Mike, quote, we have defeated ISIS Pence saying. Why we we never even talked anybody from Russia. We just talked to Americans about the campaign and. Well, you know, listen, let's just do this. Let's get let's just get the pain over with. Here's what he Giuliani in full. Now collision the amount of false reporting about this case. It's despicable. Mr Mayor disappointed is saying that nobody in the campaign had any contact with Russia. False reporting is saying that there has been no suggestion of any kind of collusion between the campaign and any Russians because now you have Paul Manafort giving poll data leading to this coincidence. You just misstated my position, I never said. There was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign. Dear. I have not I said the president United States. There is not a single bit of evidence to president night states committed the only crime you should mitt here conspired with the Russians to hack the DNC first of all day of accountability for president. It's about what you knew he was wrong. And what did you deceive about what was going to be major considerations? The president did not we send nobody had any contact. Nobody colluded the guy running his campaign. He didn't say was on an issue with the convention. He said he didn't he didn't say nobody. How would you know that nobody in your camp? He actually did say that Rudy. He said I said as far as I already Senator well as far as he knows that's true. What time was this? Was this interview tonight? Let's get at it. But yeah. Get Donald Trump himself during the transition after hours since said that Rudy had lost a step or two people around Rudy had said during the transition when he wanted to be secretary of state that he had lost a step or two this. This looks like he's been cheating on his wind sprints from lines. This looks like he's lost eighteen steps. And I don't know why they keep putting him out on TV because Rudy Giuliani just told America in the world that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with Russia, full, stop Willie. And I don't think this is the great argument. He believes it is. I think he's trying to make distinction between the president himself and his campaign. I think in Bob Muller is and in a prosecutors is there is no real distinction there the campaign colluded or didn't make barnicle I want to say one of the thing Rudy Giuliani late at night. We don't know what he's going to say. But we've also seen in the past him. Introducing arguments in moments like this. In other words, he talks down Trump a lot maybe this is coming from somewhere else and not just from Rudy Giuliani sitting on TV and sure he talked to Donald Trump a lot. I don't know what their Donald Trump is listening to the way. But in other words, maybe they're pushing this line this argument to Rudy Giuliani to put out I don't know how long that segment was on CNN with Rudy Giuliani last night. But if it were extended if he were here for half hour or forty five minutes, I could almost guarantee you that we could go directly from the set with a pair of incomes to the White House and put them on Donald Trump because he is going to talk his client right into jail the way he's kidding Jonathan. It's incredible. I mean the way Rudy Giuliani continues to carry on about this and mistake position after position after position first of all Giuliani sort of wide look there during the interview as if he's expressing surprise about Juliani just said, this is another moment where. It does seem like he is perhaps going off script and saying something he didn't believe, you know, there's no question. I'm sure we'll play video clip after clip of him in the past suggesting that of course, there was no collusion. There's no collusion at all with. There was the campaign where the president himself with Russia, and he does seem to be of course, changing that argument here, but Willie is right there have been moments where Giulani comes out on TV and says something that seems completely off script. It seems completely nutty. And then later, we find out there was at least a little bit of strategy to it, including which remember his first interview with Sean Hannity when he first introduced the idea, the stormy Daniels payment through get trying to get ahead of the idea that it was a campaign finance violation. So the context of his answer. Here was about Paul Manafort sharing polling data with one of his Russian friends, and at that that's sort of explanation, but it is possible that this Giuliani trying to get out ahead of some other piece of evidence. Some other bad news story that they think is dropping whether regarding Manafort or someone else perhaps having some sort of. Vacation with the Russians that they shouldn't by the way, speaking of bad news. This is breaking news. From the Wall Street Journal Michael Cohen hired in IT firm to rig early CNBC and drudge polls in favor of Donald Trump. I'm sure we will hear more about that over the next couple hours. That's from the Wall Street Journal, but Katty Kay going back to Rudy Giuliani Rudy. Is privately talking about how Donald Trump is a terrible client to work for the mullahs report is going to be devastating some even saying that he suggesting that Donald Trump may have to resign. This is this is not exactly. You know, this is not exactly Michael in the godfather. He is he's he seems to have absolutely no discipline at this point. And of course, that's damaging Donald Trump every time he goes out and talks, and let's just put it out there and get it was a late night television to you. So we don't know what happened beforehand, but every time Giuliani goes on television. You wonder whether the Miller report doesn't get extended by another two or three weeks because they've got to go back over what you you cannot just discount this, right? This is the president's personal list. So if he goes on television and says, I'm not saying that wasn't collusion in the campaign if you are doing your job correctly as Bob Muller, you have to listen to that and go over it. And and wonder what he's behind it more than likely. It's it's possible that she wants behind. It is pull Manafort being thrown under a bus, and this is Giuliani and potentially Trump with him saying, okay, we have to sacrifice pool. Manifold that was the campaign side of it. It had absolutely nothing to do with the president. Let's drool the line, then let's shift the line from the campaign. In general to basically pull Manafort who may have been parading as a robot operator and the rest of the campaign and the president himself. And of course, there was no collusion with Donald Trump. Maybe that is the will maybe Jonathan's, right? Maybe there's some other piece of evidence that trying to protect who. Maybe this is the is. There is an argument strategy point that came out of that I'm not entirely convinced that what was the strategy point nine o'clock at night from Guiliani on television. If there was one it may be to protect Trump at the expense Manafort. Yeah. I mean, it's for. This point out. There are other people who are on television at the same time as Rudy Giuliani. They were completely coherent. So. By the time. We're half joking or have serious at a heavy meal and was kind of. Talking about whether or not he would slows down slurs. Your words, we may be that. I know if I have make a big meal late at night before going on just really. My words. We generally cannot believe ever. I mean, this is unprecedented. Let's change the top. You see what speaker Pelosi did yesterday meek? And. Yes. So we're still in a government shutdown. It's a historic length and time now people are really hurting. And there's no one in sight so house speaker Nancy Pelosi called on the president to reschedule his state of the union address over security concerns. Pelosi made the request yesterday just under two weeks before the president to livers the speech on January twenty ninth. She also suggested the president could deliver the speech and writing the speaker says the shutdown has put strains on both the secret service and the department of homeland security raising questions over the security planning that goes into this annual address homeland security secretary Kirstin Nilsson refuted, Pelosi's claim tweeting that her department and the secret service are fully prepared to support and secure the state. Of the union. A spokesman for the house speaker says that she was motivated to make the request after her office had been contacted by furloughed DHS employees that employee apparently expressed serious concerns that the department has insufficient staffing levels to sufficiently manage the security needs for the address due to furloughs of critical staff. Pelosi was asked further about the motivation behind her request yesterday by MSNBC's Garrett Hake. This as a consequence of the government shutdown. Keeping matter in the United States to monitor the responsibility tation extended to the president you could make something. For. You know, Eugene, Scott, I was wondering if this shutdown continues in the president, maybe even used as that platform as a way to sort of try, and and brand the shutdown his way if that's even possible at this point take advantage of the situation. But let's talk about the facts that Nancy Pelosi does have the right to not allow the president to deliver the state of the union in the halls of congress. Correct. She does a formality that invitation extended and this is part of the procedure that goes into hearing the state of the union address. It's not as if the state of the union address has never been. Postpone? I mean, we know in one thousand nine hundred six after the challenger incident. Ronald Reagan delayed state of the union address. But the reality is that I think Pelosi is responding not only to her baseball large percentages of the American public who as far as they're concerned. The state of the union is in disarray because of the shutdown and would prefer to see lawmakers in the president get together to find a solution to this issue opposed to hearing the president deliver a speech that quite frankly, it's likely to symphonic checkers into a frenzy trying to respond to whatever he's gonna put forward to convince Americans that what he is doing is actually in their best interest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Willy once again. Here's an example, Donald Trump facing somebody for the first time in his life that actually has leverage over him that he can't run over. It is interesting people have noted that Nancy Pelosi is not gained a nickname yet from Donald Trump when he's tweeting every day, but hey, really quickly just sort of rolling news coverage on that Wall Street Journal breaking news about Cowan. Here's here's one that. I thought you might enjoy during the presidential race. Mr. Cohen also asked Mr. gag Geiger to create a Twitter account called at women for Cohen the account created in may twenty sixteen and run by female friend of Mr Gallagher, describe Mr. Cohen as quote, a sex symbol praised his looks and character and promoted his appearances and statements, boosting Mr. Trump's candidacy horse reminds us of when we started morning Joe and thousand nine Mike barnicle tried to do on sex. Zi grandpa. Okay. We did what was worried about. That is Twitter hadn't been invented yet. It was coming. I. Nancy pelosi. Donald Trump finally met his match that at women for because that's just heartbreaking. But we'll get to that. In just a moment. So you don't one one bipartisan now note I've heard yesterday's at. Both people say is this me, we got to get rid of the theater of the state of the union speech me, we can't just submit it as a written statement. But what does Donald Trump think about this because he will have alternatives if this is postponed or if they don't do it at all if he does submitted in writing he'll have a rally somewhere, he'll give an Oval Office address. He'll use that time in some way. How do you think he reacts to this does this put any pressure on him? I haven't seen it to budge a little bit in this shutdown. I was speaking to an ally of the president last night who suggested that the sensor on the White House is a little bit of a hat tip dancy Pelosi like this was a good move. It deprives him of what he loves best that idea of the theater of the stage of the national average and audience, and you're certainly right. There are alternatives. But there's something unique about the state of the union you come into the hall everyone. Is up in cheering people count. How many times you're interrupted for applause? We know in our reporting that he was ready to support point with that oval waffle Oval Office address last week. He thought he came out crosses flat and lifeless. He didn't like it. Which is why he devoted using that setting in the past. And he really wants this moment in front of congress. So there was suggestion. There was sort of impressed. And there certainly was the plan from the White House if the shutdown was still going on and by all accounts, it looks like it will be to use that address to use the state of the union to make the case again for that wall to why the president's right? We know the Stephen Miller is already been drafting the speech, and that was going to be a big portion of it was to use that moment to again, try to rally the American people to his cause. And yes, we've seen Republicans yesterday in suggests this was nonsense that they could have the speech suggest alternatives. We saw secretary Nielsen suggest it would be safe that this is a political stunt, and yes, maybe this is the political stunt, but it's a good one. I think there's a sense for the president here. They figure out what to do next. Welcome to the major league. That's right. Play. Welcome to the major league. But you know, Mike yesterday one of the real Bush league moves over the past. We'll actually over the past couple of days. There's when Mike Pence went out and announced that ISIS had been defeated. Just like Donald Trump had announced. Isis had been defeated. Take a quick look. Thanks to the leadership of this commander in chief and the courage and sacrifice of our armed forces were now actually able to begin to hand off the fight against ISIS in Syria to our coalition partners. And we're bringing our troops home. The caliphate has crumbled, an ISIS has been defeated. Mike, what makes it even more Bush league is that was after the attack? The attack were four Americans were killed twice as many as had been killed in a two to three year long deployment. And boy you listen to Lindsey Graham Marco Rubio. And we'll play some of those clips next block there. More than a few Republicans suggesting that it was done. Trump's retreat from the region and him handing it over to flat. Amir Putin and Erta one and the Mola's in Iran and Assad that actually encouraged ISIS to attack yesterday Joe, this is another result of foreign policy by impulse. Which is what Donald Trump's statement really was. It was an impulsive statement. We're going to withdraw our all of our soldiers all of our troops from Syria within thirty days. That's what he originally said. And now vice president Pence yesterday speaking about ISIS as it has been defeat. Cheated. It has not been defeated. Isis is an ideology that is rooted in the ground and certain regions of this world and Syria happens to be a hotbed of ISIS. It is very. It's thriving to a certain extent it is not going away. It has not been diminished. There's no doubt about that. But it is not defeated and yet Katty Kay. The president is standing firm he got support yesterday from Senator rand Paul who's helped guide this policy in Syria. Saying thank you for pulling us out and getting out getting out of these never ending wars. There's no I don't get the impression Jonathan can speak to this too. That the president is even reconsidering the idea of getting out of Syria. The president came in saying he didn't understand why miracles were fighting around the world and bits of the world that didn't really concern America. And it was played into this narrative that he has that America is somehow being taken advantage of in other countries. Why American troops there in Syria Syria's far away? It doesn't really affect us. But Mike is quite right. Look we had no just the attack yesterday in Syria. We had the attack the day before that in Kenya. Also Islam militants. This is dangerous ideology that is clearly right there and Walston the White House. I could see might say, well if American some White House. Aides have suggested this if we hadn't been there in the first place, then those four Americans wouldn't have killed in Syria. But as any military strategists would be prepared Celtel them, and I'm sure General Mattis told them this. It's a very different thing. The idea of going into once you that then pulling out and once the then pulling out in circumstances where the ideology is still strong on. You're putting yourself on your allies at risk and yesterday's attack. If this is ISIS feeling emboldened and wanting to show that they are still present. This is exactly the kind of thing that comes about from something like Mike calls foreign policy by impulse. And I certainly had it's not the first time that ISIS is going to fill a power void that was created by the United States and the speedy retreat. It's happening again me. And when you actually have the vice president who good luck running in any any Republican primary the future ever again for the rest of his life. Maybe he and rand Paul can go out and golf and Kentucky like in their old age because that's about as close as he's going to get to an office again. But you know, you you go out and you say that ISIS is dead. Isis is finished is is wiped out. All you're doing is encouraging me the type of attacks that we saw yesterday that killed four Americans. This isn't high level thinking, this is pretty basic. And it was that was pretty staggering. I'm not sure how he could bring himself to do that or how unaware might he might have handing. That making that speech. Yes. Absolutely still ahead on morning, Joe we're going to hear some of the stories of Americans across the country who have personally been impacted by the ongoing government shutdown, but I will check in with Bill Karen's for a look at the winter storm that's affecting much of the country Bill. Good morning. Joe emeka? This is going to be a big storm. If he gets impact storm, we've seen notice for California, but in New England, but the time we get to the weekend so overnight torrential rains in California. They continue near Santa Barbara very concerned with the Wolseley fire burn scar. And eventually down towards the Holly fire when this heads in the Los Angeles later today in later on this morning. We have blizzard conditions in the mountains with ninety mile per hour winds. There are flash flood watches in and around Los Angeles. We have would've storm warnings the blizzard. Warning, I mention high surf it's just a mess throughout the state of California this morning from the storm. So now, let's fast forward into the storm as it moves across the country over the next couple of days. Here's the snow forecast. Three to six inches over areas of the midwest, Ohio valley. Of it north of interstate seventy when you talk about really major high impact snows, we're going from buffalo to Rochester. Syracuse Binghamton Scranton Albany. This is eighteen plus inches of snow from the capital district through much of northern New England when we get on I ninety five southern New England here New York City area, we're going to get front end snow in the beginning. Then we're going to go over to an ice storm. There is great concern right now that we could get significant snow maybe three to six inches and then a quarter to a happen into ice on top of that. And if that's not sleep, it's freezing rain. We will see significant power outages here in southern portions of New England. That's a possibility as we go throughout Sunday morning right into the afternoon. Well, of course, a lot of patriots fans would be upset about having no power missing their game. So just keep that in mind too. So we're going to continue to update this forecast. It's still about two three days away for areas in the northeast and the mid Atlantic will give those updates as we go throughout the rest of the week here on morning, Joe. Eddie Delilah and his colleagues are mostly invisible to the millions of people who board flights each day, but their role is essential air traffic. Controllers liked Delile are not getting paid during the government shutdown. Neither are FAA safety. Inspector has today, we're fine. But there was a safety event today. The people that would review that they've been furloughed. The FAA says about twenty two hundred inspectors we'll be back on the job by the end of this week. The lease still won't get paid until the government. Fully reopened daughter means everything to me lie daughter cheese, my heart. She's my world is the reason I push every single day. In the meantime, she uses snap benefits or food stamps each month from the federal government in the middle of a government shutdown. The department of agriculture is going to give out food stamps for February. But funding for March and beyond is uncertain. I'm very concerned because if it does dry up, I I don't know how I'm going to get those days on Tuesday. I'm like, okay. I cannot make it into because I had to go pull weeds for family members to make twenty thirty dollars for gas. So I could take my oldest son at seal to lose therapies veer just wants to work and provide for his family. I love being a correctional officer. But right now, it's getting my son's affecting whether he gets to his therapies or not. I make it. That's of course, from king TV in Seattle. But we're going to be playing some of those right words throughout the morning. I. Pretty staggered by some of the people that I am saying on Twitter, some people that have seemed to be reasonable and rational in the past who are actually making fun of furloughed government employees acting as if this is a vacation or acting as if people are being dramatic there. You had a corrections officer that couldn't go into work because he had to go pull weeds for family members. So we can make twenty or thirty dollars. So he could pay, you know, hope to be able to pay for his son's medication that stories being multiplied not only eight hundred thousand times over, but you look at the contractors, and you look at the other people that that make money. In the service community. And while the furloughed workers will we hope get repaid at some point. You've got a million or so Americans that will never get money back for what they're losing during this shutdown and think about it you've got TSA agents that are not going to be able to afford to show show up. You've got correctional officers that can't go in. You've got a coast guard members of the coast guard that aren't getting paid that are now having to worry about how do they pay for their rent? How do they pay for medicine for their children? How do they pay for doctors visits? How do they pay for schooling and air traffic controllers, we can go down the list and see the real world consequences this? I mean, they're devastating all over a shutdown. That's based on a phony premise on a phony wall. All fit not one in four Republicans wanted to fund when they were in power now and in the data shows most of the American people don't want it either. But it is important to hear directly from the American people who are impacted by this shutdown that President Trump said point blank. He would be proud on about those people. You just heard from President Trump says he understands how they feel he can relate, and he says they will adjust. I'm not sure what that last comment means. I don't know how they. With no money. I mean, Nancy Pelosi said me. He must be confused their daddy. Can't give them money like Donald Trump's father gave him two hundred million is this for these people is very real unlike the crisis on the border more now on the dynamic playing out between President Trump and speaker, Nancy Pelosi Trump often boasts that he knows the art of the deal, but he is privately asking aides why he can't get one in the shutdown with every poll showing Americans holding the president responsible. The New York Times reports that Trump has told top aides he believes over time the country will not remember the shutdown, but it will remember that he staged to fight over his insistence that the southern border be protected, but privately the president is worried, quote, we are getting crushed Trump told his acting chief-of-staff, Mick Mulvaney after watching some recent coverage of the shutdown. According to one person familiar with the conversation. Why can't we get a deal the wash? Shannon post notes that Trump is a proud counterpuncher. But when it comes to house speaker Nancy Pelosi, he has pulled back on his jobs that is deliberate aides and advisers said because the president believes she would help protect him from impeachment because he considers her more reasonable. Then. Other Democrats privately wanted visor said Trump has complained about the quotes. He reads from Pelosi about him in newspapers. But has said that he is impressed by her political savvy and one other thing Joe, you know, the data shows that the lack of support for the wall. I mean, I'm not sure how important this small base of his is at this point because he seems to be holding onto it. But as time goes by and reporting on the wall continues you watch the president getting schooled himself by people who work at the border about tunnels that can be built under the wall. Like the wall does not mean border security, even on a physical level. Then. I think people understand that while they do understand that. And again, even Republicans have understood that for the first two years of Donald Trump's presidency. That's why less than one in four Republicans supported the idea of Donald Trump's wall and wouldn't even support a Bill that would give him one point six billion dollars distort, John Cornyn said walls, aren't really a good deterrent because people can go over them or they can go through them or they can climb under them Lindsey Graham said the same thing, it's just not a smart investment in Eugene, Scott, you have the president who just thinks he can bully and bluster Nancy Pelosi and Democrats the way he bullied in blustered Republicans. This is a man again who seems woefully ill-equipped to be president of the United States because he doesn't understand the most basic concepts about checks and balances and separations of power. Absolutely. And part of the reason he does not understand. This because his fellow lawmakers from his party haven't held him accountable. Enforce him to understand this prior to now we've seen them consistently back. His ideas, no matter how ill advised they've been from people more knowledgeable on these topics. And right now, we're seeing some type of erosion from the GOP saying that this is not the fight that they're renting willing to die on. And that's in part because they know they no longer have the support of the American people. It's worth noting that when the president ran for president the majority of Americans support the war, then it that was before they knew that it could come with a government shutdown that will cause hundreds of thousands of not millions of people to suffer. If the president wants to negotiate a deal. He's going to have to realize that he's going to the table desiring something that many people in this country have believed for a long time. It's not the best way to protect the border. And of course, the question always has to be asked. Again, if the wall was so urgent there's a crisis. What about the first two years of the presidency? When republicans. Owned congress and the White House, and they could have push something through easier than they are. Now, Jonathan is the president really an actually surprised that he's not getting a deal when he's refusing to move off his position. Surely, he knows enough about the art of the deal that there has to be some compromises somebody has to take a win out of the deal. And if you say, it's five point seven billion dollars for the wall or bust. That's not dealmaking. That's not negotiating. It's also an interesting dynamic between him and Nancy Pelosi where this disruptive guy who came into. I don't know anything about politics. I'm gonna turn Washington upside down is being outmaneuvered by the career establishment politician who knows how Washington where the relationship between the president and speaker Pelosi is the most interesting in most important one in Washington right now, and it predates the shutdown fight this idea that the president respects her and has always sort of had this idea that she she is someone who understood the game and someone he can work with as much as on the campaign trail, he used her is sort of a rallying point to to try to. Keep Republicans in power like, oh, you don't want speaker Pelosi the same time he told people around him, according to our reporting that like this is someone he feels like he can work with and maybe on some issues they can. But he misjudged the situation. There's no incentive for Nancy Pelosi to give him an extra dime on this wall. And he I think there is a growing realization that he knows that. Yes. You would think to make a deal they'd have to make the White House would have to make a compromise take step forward. But the issue is it's not so much about the wall and the reporting their backs up a we've had to it's about the fight for the wall. That's what the president really wants. He feels like this is something that. Yes. Your point is exactly right. If this was such a crisis. It would have been done already. But he feels like this is something that worked from in two thousand sixteen and now he can project Ford instill making an issue in twenty twenty. And of course, the polling suggests that Republicans don't want this that Americans don't want this. But his base is staying with him in as we know he offer he uses that as his foundation and feels like he can thread the needle going forward. So that is something at least for now the sense is he will. Wants to fight here. He's not willing to budge just yet. All right. The CEO of the national urban league Marc Morial testified yesterday at the confirmation hearing for attorney general nominee William bar. He joins us next with why he's voicing opposition. We'll be right back. This nation needs an attorney general who will dramatically change course and enforce civil rights laws with vigor and independence based on his alarming record. We are convinced that William bar will not do. So. That was president and CEO of the national urban league Maury L testifying yesterday at attorney general nominee, William bores confirmation hearing and more joins us now misnomer. Thanks so much for being with us. So many people are focusing obviously on the Muller report. But you're obviously focused on something that will outlast them all the report. And that is whether William bar is qualified to be attorney general and all areas, especially civil rights you find him lacking. Why? Well, the it's important understand. We talk about the attorney general's chief law enforcement officer. But he's also the chief civil rights enforcer. And that has been for the last sixty years one of the most important roles of the attorney general what we need is for nominee bar to step away from the policies of general sessions. Jeff Sessions was a disaster when it came to civil rights enforcement. He. Reversed. The Justice Department's positions in two major civil rights cases where in fact. Affect the Justice department flip sides from being against suppression to tacitly supporting suppression from being a purges to tasks at least overtly supporting purchase, and what we need is for bar to disassociate the Justice department from those failed policies, so nothing in the hearing nothing in his testimony gave me confidence gave us confidence that he in fact would do that. A Secondly his record is we just passed the first step back an important bipartisan criminal Justice reform Bill that's going to give relief to lots of people. But also, which moves the nation towards a saner approach to criminal Justice policies. He was a hard line lock them up throw away the key person back in the nineteen hundred ninety s we want assurances that he's going to enforce the first step back, and he could give us those insurances by cancelling general sessions as guidance which. Told US attorneys. Throw the book at every defendant charge him with the maximum cried seek the maximum penalties in all instances. So we thought it was important for the record that while this discussion about executive power. And the mother report was taking place that we focus on an important role that of civil rights enforcement. You're right. Mr Mayor that when he was previously attorney general in the nineteen ninety s under George H W Bush William bar issued a report the case for more incarceration was actually the title of the report he has indicated though to support for that first step act that the president is state sign which would reduce mandatory sentencing in this country, a lot of people even progressive view that as a step forward and criminal Justice. Does that hearten you at all to hear him say what I'd like to see him? Do is take the next step and say he's going to rescind the guidances the policies that are inconsistent with the first step act a general sessions took the department really back some twenty years departed. Mhm where general holder and general link in the Obama administration had taken the department, and that is to be more reasonable in their charging decisions to be more more more more. If you will modulate it in what they saw in sentencing. And I think that they're steps that he should take publicly out. Hope he would do that before it's conferences or anything you could say that would win you over our view decided he's not feeling that we think is important for the record that we oppose him. But look, let's be honest. He is likely to be confirmed. We are going to want to work with him. But we want him to understand how crucial civil rights enforcement is in how the sessions policies with inconsistent with policies of previous democratic and Republican administration. So he is going to be the next attorney general United States. What do you want him to do about voting rights? I like to see him. So right now, the power is in the hands of the Justice department to bring a call. Action to cases bring cases against states with Carolina North Carolina like Texas states like oh, hi, oh who have pursued suppression. If you will policies, we think that the Justice department has a responsibility to do that we no longer have the pre-clearance provisions of section five where they've got to get preapproval. So it's up to him sessions. Didn't bring one section to case. And in major section two cases that had been brought under general holder in general Lynch, he had reverse sides within the first thirty days he was in office. So we've got we need a different approach today. And I hope he here's what we're saying. We hope he's certainly going to heat. Mario can I ask you about the effect of the shutdown on Evan areas? I've just come up from Washington DC, obviously, everybody down. There is feeling it the cab drivers the bartenders there will saying this no work around at the moment. What knock-on effect on the eight hundred thousand federal. Vise-grip because not only those eight hundred thousand federal workers, but all of the vendors contractors and community based organizations that are funded by the government through the city's through the counties in through the states are now unable to make payroll. It's having a secondary effect on businesses on shopping centers, grocery stores and pharmacies. This is an unnecessary shutdown. It's not supported by the American people. And what I hope they would do is get an up or down vote. Mitch mcconnell. Let's have an up or down vote on real bidding the government. Let's put it on the floor. Let the members vote on it. And I'm confident that the government will real immediately set the wall aside all vital important issues. But let's get to the big one. You're going to be at the Superdome on Sunday. I'm the saints. Rams. They going to the Super Bowl Zaentz. We're going all the way this year that your house. Brady or Mahomes, man. I'll take them either. You know what? 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Day 1,378: Trump keeps breakneck rally schedule as U.S. nears 9,000,000 Covid cases

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Day 1,378: Trump keeps breakneck rally schedule as U.S. nears 9,000,000 Covid cases

"I'm Lindsey Graham the host of one ratio American scandal we bring to life some of the biggest controversies in US history presidential is corporate fraud corruption in sports. In our new series, we look at a decades long campaign by federal law enforcement to target activists fighting for racial justice. Federal agents went after everyone from Billie holiday to Martin Luther King Junior, and would ultimately face public reckoning subscribe to American scandal on Apple podcasts spotify or wherever you get your podcast join one re plus to listen and free in the wondering APP. Well good evening once again day thirteen, hundred, seventy eight now of the trump administration that leaves six days until Election Day, and in this final run, we are witnessing two very different presidential campaigns donald trump. Held to packed. In Arizona today at one of them, he said he always liked Hispanics and the following needs to be said, it was a point made in a Washington Post Piece. Yesterday and it's true. Trump's campaign depends on his supporters putting their health at risk and during an uncontrolled pandemic. That's a fact. Joe Biden spent the day in Delaware including a meeting with his healthcare advisors on the Corona Virus Front this was another banner day and all the worst ways we have now topped eight point nine million infections. In this country, we have lost over two, hundred, twenty, eight, thousand of our fellow citizens. The US remains number one in the world on both of those counts the uncontrolled explosion of new cases is straining our hospitals the number of virus patients climbing about. Six percent from a month ago. No states are seeing sustained declines in case numbers situation particularly dire and El Paso where the number of people hospitalized has more than tripled over the past three weeks alone, and it's the president who continues to tamp down the urgency and deny the threat of the virus that is all around us. Safe vaccine is coming very quickly. You gotTa have it momentarily that Aratu cates the virus and we're rounding the turn regardless. You know that we've got the vaccine I say regard oneself say well, maybe you don't we have great companies and quickly ends the pandemic turn on television. We have great dumpers. We have some incredible numbers you know mortalities way down and way better than Europe, and other places, Biden and the Democrats Socialists will delay the vaccine prolonged the pandemic. Shudder your schools and shut down our country. The Cova tracking. Project. Indeed reports that today October twenty eighth over seventy eight, thousand new cases have been reported. Today was top five all time which makes this next development all the more ironic a press release from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy touted the administration's accomplishments and included this section quote ending covert now. Derek from the outset of the covid nineteen pandemic. The administration has taken decisive actions to engage scientists and health professionals in academia industry and government to understand treat and defeat the disease to put a finer point on claiming defeat of the virus as the virus has now reached its peak in these United States. The White House was asked about that earlier today. I think was poorly worded. The intent was to say that it is our goal to end the virus. But the mission accomplished style damage was done a couple of hours. Later, we heard from former vice president Joe Biden. The White House Science Office. This stunned. Me Put out a statement listing ending the COVID nineteen pandemic as a top accomplishment. Of President, trump's first turn affects your rates are going up almost every state in our union. Refusal the trump administration to recognize the reality were living through. At a time when almost two thousand Americans, a day are dying every single day. Every single person suffering from Kobe nineteen? and. Every family who's lost a loved one. And speaking to Shepard Smith over on CNBC tonight Dr Anthony Fauci offered this grim prediction as to what's ahead for the US given the staggering number of new virus cases. This is going to get worse because we're going more into a colder season as we get through the fall and into the winter with the holiday season going, we've got to do something different. We can't just let this happen. We're GONNA have many more hospitalizations and that will inevitably lead to more deaths. and. Because financial markets and the people who move those markets can see and hear what we're reporting here. This week the virus is now at its height thus far in our country after all the markets are reflecting that you'll note the president isn't bragging about Wall Street this week on the trail because stocks are getting pummeled just today the Dow was down nine hundred. Forty three points loss of just over three percent it's worse days since June will get another snapshot of the Economy Tomorrow When the Commerce Department is expected to report record-setting growth in gross domestic product during the most recent quarter. However many communists say it doesn't mean the US has fully bounced back. They remind us what the starting point was today trump touted this coming report. Numbers are going to be coming out very shortly very soon GDP and the Fed in Atlanta just made a prediction they said thirty five percent now I'll take twenty five right now. Thirty five would be many times larger than the largest number. We've ever had GDP the all important GDP. Thirty five is what they predict and let's see what happens and it'll be three days before the election. So I'll make a deal if the numbers are bad number, you don't have the vote for me. Okay. You may recall trump's intense push to reopen the economy this spring, the push that remains in effect today. Bob Woodward is releasing new audio of telephone interviews. He conducted this spring with jared, Kushner. Now somehow has a role in public health in our country in which Kushner talks about the effort to reopen our economy and the internal battle with actual medical experts. Last thing was. Kind of doing the. The guidelines which was interesting in that in my mind was almost like you know almost like trump. Getting the country back from the doctors right. In the sense that what he did was just you know he's GonNa Open Up. And on another front, a big embarrassment for the trump campaign last night in Omaha. Forget the fact that the rally was largely aimed at picking off a single electoral vote in Nebraska Corona virus risks aside after the rally hundreds of ardent trump supporters were literally left in the cold. Some had a three to four mile walk in the freezing cold back to their cars over half a dozen were hospitalized most for exposure. The campaign says they arranged for buses but blocked roads prevented them from getting in and picking the people up something. About the president being in town, another big story continues to be the early vote is staggering. It's now over seventy two, million votes cast with six days yet to go until the actual election day, the Biden's voted today in Delaware amid all that the Supreme Court tonight declined to block lower court rulings allowing six extra days for accepting ballots sent in by mail in North Carolina. The court also declined to take another look at a similar case in Pennsylvania that likely has disappointed trump who continued his disinformation campaign about mail in ballots. Hopefully, the few states remaining that want to take a lot of time after November, third to count ballots that won't be allowed by. The various courts, the biggest problem we have is if they cheat with the ballots, that's my biggest problem and you have governors Democrat governors. That are players wise. Guys, wiseguys. Let's welcome in our three veterans for our leadoff discussion on a Wednesday night Jonathan Lemere White House reporter with the Associated Press Alexi McCamman political reporter for axios and Stephanie Roles Senior, business correspondent NBC news a veteran of the business world who is, of course, the anchor of the nine am our on this network not a wise guy among them but Jonathan, because of your beat I'm going to start with you so. The trump campaign is telling US eleven rallies in seven states over the closing forty eight hours, and there is this quote tonight from the New York Times as a political matter. The president's approach amounts to an OBI one like attempt to waive his hand before the electorate until voters that they are not experiencing a pandemic that is tearing through their neighborhoods and filling hospitals Jonathan. Dear friends at the New York Times. About right. That the do Brian, the president has never perhaps more see more disconnected from reality than he does right now one day after day rally after rally, he suggested the nation is turn a corner on the pandemic of the viruses largely behind this, the vaccine is a moment of way. To save us and to not recognize what is happening right now. This is indeed. A surge across this nation virtually every state seeing huge numbers of new infections a third peak if you will one that comes at the worst possible time, of course, for this president as he makes his final case for reelection and it's one he's making frankly in these hot spots he was in Wisconsin yesterday a state that has having massive problems with coronavirus infections. He is will be traveling back there. Again, this weekend Michigan to other states that have had the problem in, and if we look at just for a moment, his itinerary that shows you what what trouble he's in. There's no real obvious path here for the president it's a scattershot approach. He's just throwing everything at the map and trying to recreate the magic of two thousand sixteen when he drew an inside straight those in his cam there some of his campaign, the believe he should be focused. Simply on the Sunbelt North, Carolina Georgia Florida Arizona and then pour the rest of his resources in Pennsylvania because he would need Pennsylvania to get across to seventy even if he wins this other states in the south, but he has a limited that too that he is of Corp in the Mid West he has been to New Hampshire within their on Sunday and yes even Nebraska looking for that one electoral college vote those all the hallmarks of a campaign that doesn't quite know which way it's going. Alexi any painted depiction of Democrats these days would have to have Keith haring like anxiety markings around the mall. That's because they feel they have seen this movie before in two, thousand, sixteen but Watch for Democrats is different this time around. Being in all the conversations that I'm having a dentist sure you all are having you can't talk to Democrats heartened by any of the polls coming out about Joe Biden leading in states like Michigan Pennsylvania Wisconsin by double digits because they're so paralyzed by what happened in two, thousand sixteen. But of course, the facts of this race, the dynamics is the country that we're facing right now are so different than what? We face in two, thousand, sixteen and something I can't help. But think about as voters are making their decision as overstepping million have already voted. Of course, there's a lot that's already into the Kate and if you support president trump, you probably don't care how was talking about the corona virus but the reality that we're facing six days away from election is that no matter who wins they're going to have to. Deal with pandemic immediately, and it's probably going to be in one of its worst phases in wintertime as we're seeing cases spike around the country there isn't a single state in the country that has a saying under control get president trump continues to crisscross to be states they're being crushed by the pandemic economically and otherwise without acknowledging that reality. So while president, trump's Aurora in his personality and his tell it like. It is style was really appealing to voters in two thousand sixteen big thing that's different in two thousand twenty is I from voters around Midwest all the time who took a chance on province by sixteen have switched to Biden because they're souring on the personality traits that drew them to him in two thousand sixteen there are no longer fun or interesting or appealing they're dealing with a life or death global conduct. So steph to Alexis points there what's happening with the markets and how does this differ from the usual pre-election market anxiety? Oh. This is quite different. The markets woken up to the fact Brian that this health crisis is directly linked to the economic crisis and the markets cannot thrive while we have no national plan to contain the corona virus and we currently have an administration that is not even being honest about the situation that we're in and then you look at GDP. Tomorrow. You leading the show with it. The president is going to say we're back baby with the greatest economy ever. That's not the case we are seeing improvements. We are on the road to recovery but even if we get thirty thirty, five percent, GDP which would be positive it's far from saying we're back that would be fifty percent better and because the president is overstating this, that's why girls like me. have. To stay up until eleven o'clock at night and talk about this with you because for the millions of people that are still out of work for one in five small businesses that are closed for good and for people that aren't getting another stimulus check or enhance unemployment, they're not spending like they were in a second and third quarter, and that's going to cause a big lag on the economy going forward. Jonathan take us back out on the trail a huge slew of grievances from the President Today and he trotted out Nigel Farraj British chain smoking enthusiasts course when you think Arizona, you think Nigel garage actually he has nothing to do with Arizona and everything to do with the brexit movement which was quietly but lustily supported by Russia what do down ballot Republicans think of a closing argument that includes a guy from the UK in Arizona. O'Brien I can do you one better and twenty sixteen. I was at a rally with the president had Jackson Mississippi and Nigel garage was his guest at that one and spoke from the stage. It is an unusual decision to say the least not one that I think. Cheers a lot of Republicans in fact, garage was given a lot more time to speak this evening than the Republican senatorial candidate in Arizona. Martha. mcsally, who the president said get up here, speak for one minute hurry hurry hurry and she spoke for one minute far less than Mr Farraj. There's great alarm among Republicans that the president is in trouble and could drag the rest of the party down with him. They're nervously watching as series of Senate races across the country fear that they could lose control of the House of that House of Congress, and in fact, the Democrats may for the first time decade control all of Washington if Biden is able to win and it speaks to a lack of message, your closing argument if you will for the president every night, he does say, the one line he supposed to. Vote for him. is about the economy about the trump recovery you'll talk about the GDP tomorrow no doubt. Over Joe Biden that's for socialist policies and perhaps a recession. But that argument is drowned out by grievances against the media against those from the Russia investigation from a few years ago whatever enemy the president has an at that moment and it's a stark contrast from where in two thousand sixteen because we all remember that being chaotic. But in the last ten days, he was fairly disciplined. He largely put twitter aside and night after night on the campaign trail, he hammered home a few key messages on immigration on trade alleging corruption by Hillary Clinton. He he made those arguments clear every night this time around he's not at all it has strong arguments are lost in the noise and the fog. Alexi let's talk about the wing of the Democratic Party that likes to call themselves progressives. They don't always seem like beating Donald. Trump is their number one goal. They do often supply fresh ammunition to this president witness just how much he talks about the squad on the road it's red meat at rallies. How are they viewing this election right about now? Will I just recently interviewed? Congresswoman had Oh Margareta Soda for Axios Hbo Show, and he's of forest the target of some of these deeply personal attacks from president trump out on the campaign trail MINNESOTA. But even when he's right Michigan, really trying to use her as a political foil to help his own fortunes but the thing that I'm thinking about i. Mean One another big difference from twenty sixteen forces that progressives are largely tabling their internal criticisms against their party nominee this around in a way that we've course didn't see them do Hillary Clinton Twenty sixteen but the other thing is that president trump frenzy use these as a political lightning rod to brand Biden as socialist or Trojan horse at the radical lack. Voters no believe about Joe. Biden I. He's been in public service for so long in public life for so long that people have gotten to know him decades before this wide was even say to that not really sticking with him but also received the way in which Joe Biden kind of directly counter says attacks from President trump in the right head on saying things like I'm the guy who beat the Socialists talking about. Bernie Sanders and finally this year. But thing people don't you buy as a socialist or is a radical leftist in the way that might you AFC or congresswoman Ilan Omar and others and president trump is grasping for a political opponent that he thinks he can brand and take you on with him and that's just not Joe Biden and that's reinforced in the way at he's reaching for these other political opponents. It's governor to wretched Whitmer in Michigan Ilhan Omar others anyone but Joe Biden seems. Stephanie I have saved for you a little bit more of the new audio released by Bob Woodward his conversations with Jared Kushner on this day there were just seventy seven thousand souls dead from the corona virus. Here's the recording. Look I really do believe that she's passed a competency test on the execution? I. Think that you know Kelly actually set a great thing in the Oval Office and know he said look you know politically think we were better off the other way where things were happening or this way. She says you know in some ways it's better this way because before people took for granted outright you you're with the economy. So Stephanie is your takeaway from that the noted health expert jared, Kushner making the point that it's a better look for Donald Trump? With, seventy seven thousand dead on May eighth going into this pandemic with his position on the economy. Well let's think about it since then we've got well over one hundred, thousand people additional dead and eight million people who not dead but they have slipped into poverty jared Kushner is obviously no pun intended dead wrong. But this isn't a good look for the president on the economy I take you back to the markets. We've spent trillions of dollars in stimulus the Fed alone the Fed has bought up every stock bond everything under the sun except the form one fifty in my garage, and still the markets are tanking because the president didn't create a cohesive plan to stop this pandemic and what's going to happen. We're already seeing tighter restrictions in the city of Chicago there will be no in room. In restaurant dining starting Friday no bar service and we could see more and more restrictions and possibly shutdowns as we get into colder months and that's devastating for the economy. Who Do you know that's taking a plane and going on Christmas break I don't know anybody that doesn't help the economy. And indeed I know know anyone and I don't know anyone who knows anyone our thanks to our big three tonight. It's a lot but they tackled it all Jonathan. Lemere. Alexi McCamman Stephanie Role Great thanks for being here and starting US off coming up for us after our first break as the early vote continues to pile in by the millions every day a closer look at one. 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Tell you. I'll be a president who is not an informed self but for others. President doesn't divide. US? But, unites? President. Guided not by wishful thinking but by science reason and facts. A sampling of the candidates closing messages with less than a week to go now on Saturday, Obama will be campaigning with Biden in Michigan. New polling gives Biden an eight point lead their Washington Post ABC News poll has him up by seven in Wisconsin Biden leads trump by seventeen points. It's a lot back with us again tonight, Robert Gibbs former Obama campaign senior adviser and white. House press secretary under the aforementioned former president and Lonnie research. Fellow at the Hoover Institution Former Policy Director for Romney Ryan Twenty twelve notably a former senior official with the old department of Health and Human Services, gentlemen good evening, and welcome to you both Mr Gibson. psyched to hear the president say normal life is coming back. Hope we have a target date on that but the waiting is over where do you put this race as of eleven twenty five and fifty seconds eastern time on this Wednesday night. Yeah I think this race to the point that you asked your panel about is very different than than. Twenty sixteen. Biden is a popular candidate. His favorability is is positive Donald Trump is battling a negative job approval and and it's quite frankly Joe Biden's race to control. At this point. There are a lot of states that he is added into play places like Georgia and Texas in Iowa and Ohio which were not really on the map just a few months ago are now places that are not only on the map but are seeing visits by the former vice president. So I I think if you look at this race It is Joe Biden's to lose right now I think he's he's in the lead and I think. You're going to see a pretty confident campaign over the next few days working hard to get its vote out and make sure they don't have any problems with mail in ballots or surprises with any of those things. Are Folks you heard it from Mr, Gibbs will hold him to it. Lonnie. I from the gift that keeps on giving who we call Bob Woodward. I have another piece of audio for you part of his interviews with the noted public health expert Jared Kushner. You have a disproportionality between what issues people are vocal on and. And what the people the voters really care about what trump's been able to do is I say he's basically get a full hostile takeover of the Republican Party. And I don't think it's even as much about the issues I think it's about the attitude. So Lana you heard what passes for the Modern Day Harry Hopkins? If this was indeed a hostile takeover and I presume you concur with that what's next? I agree I, think it was a hostile takeover. I think if you remember back in time after the two, thousand, twelve campaign, the Republican Party conducted an autopsy and the of that two thousand twelve campaign essentially concluded the Republican. Party. Had to be more inclusive. It had to be more diverse it had to campaign in communities it traditionally campaigned in and essentially what we got in two thousand sixteen was a candidate who went against a lot of that advice and went in a very different direction. So the idea of a hostile takeover, the idea of the Republican Party looking very different now for years later I think is true in terms of what's next I think. A lot of it depends on what happens on Tuesday a in terms of how much and how enduring trump's influences on the Republican Party afterwards I do think if he loses on Tuesday, it's going to be a significant battle between different parts of the Republican Party, different pieces of it, some of which want to continue elements of the trump agenda, some of which one further the attitude that Kushner talked about. But I do think it's going to be fascinating to examine what happens to the party, and whether in fact, it starts to Hugh back toward that twenty twelve, twenty thirteen autopsy line or develops further along the line that president trump's take the last few years. Well, Lonnie. Let me ask you. If you think trump ISM survives because while we're having this conversation in the past few days Tom Cotton of Arkansas happened to stop by. New Hampshire Governor Christie nome South Dakota while people are dying during a corona virus spike in her state. She's in New Hampshire thinking. She might be an attractive Republican candidate maybe in twenty twenty four. But what's the chance? Some kind of newly constituted party base says, no, we remember what you were life during the trump years. Yeah I think we have to be careful when we talk about trump ism, there are many different elements of that. Are we talking about trump's attitude? Are we talking about? Sort of the embrace of trump personally, we talking about elements of the trump agenda I think Brian very much. There are elements of the more populist agenda The agenda for example that's focused on working class whites the agenda that's focused on those who've been displaced by trade I think that probably sticks around but I, think there's going to be a huge fight over. Whether in fact, the attitudinal elements that trump those kinds of things stick around and it'll be fascinating to see because the twenty twenty four primary will feature no fewer than six hundred Republicans running for president. So we'll have to see how all this comes out in the wash, but but there's no question it's going to be a significant intraparty battle if the president loses. I think it's going to be easier for us to list the Republicans not running than those who are all right. MR, gibbs coming at you after this break, both of these gentlemen thankfully have agreed to stick around when we come back a viewer's guide to the critical down ballot vote. I. Want you all comes at a swearing it. It'll be before we. Swear in the president again. But the reason why I want you to come I watch you watch Nancy Pelosi hand me that gavel. With it but I'll bang the end to the socialism and yes to American. Not Clear, what posed the minority leader is referring to when he talks about becoming speaker of the House, most surveys indicate Democrats are a few days away from expanding. In fact, their majority in the house, the polling analysis website fivethirtyeight gives Democrats a seventy five percent chance of controlling the upper chamber the US. Senate still with US OUR ROBERT GIBBS, Lonnie Jan Robert Jonathan Lemaire mentioned this before i WanNa. Show you trump today with Martha mcsally Anna's Folks Watch this remember this is a woman who has signed over as have many members of the US Senate, her political to trump and trumpism. She is fighting for her political life in return for this. Month just this. Fast. Come on quick. You got one minute one minute the say. They don't want to hear this. Come on. Let's go quick quick quick quick. On let's go. GotTa. Thank you president. Robert, I'm tempted to ask how he likes how he treats the people he likes and what down ballot races are you watching? How confident are you? The control of the US SENATE FOR STARTERS WILL SHIFT Well look I I think the race is that are watched that you WanNa Watch here are the racist like Arizona. which you just talked about north. Carolina. Colorado Maine. Obviously Alabama. is going to be a contested race and I think within those top tier set of races right now you would say the Democrats says as many of the polls do are slight favorites to control the US Senate. After election night, they need to pick up three seats net three seats. And Win the White House to have the vice president to break ties. Obviously. Owning the White House and not owning a majority of Congress, is a whole lot less fun. Than you might think it is, and so I think there's GonNa be a real push and I think when you see Vice President. Biden in Georgia where are not one but two Senate races. That are on the ballot when you see them going to Iowa that's about making races close. But it's also about taking those endangered Senate. Republicans that as you mentioned, have tied their fortunes to president trump making them pay in a in a in a place and in a state where that Senate race may flip the the challenge is going to be in a world that we live in. Now with far fewer Split Ticket voters in twenty sixteen, the winner of presidential the winner in the presidential race in a state that same party won the Senate race. So you're going to have to find some coalition's potentially in places like an Iowa or even a Montana. that. You might have to find a different winner on the presidential side in the Senate side. But Right now Democrats are slight favorites to control the set. Races you're going to be watching. Well I think Georgia Iowa. Arizona. Those are interesting races. Georgia. Those two Senate. Races in Arizona in particular you know really the big question there is has demography content to the Republican Party easily look at the change in suburban populations the increasing diversity that we're seeing in both Arizona and Georgia two states that have been reliably Republican for many many years. If indeed, we see the Arizona Senator Race. Goto the Democrat if one or both of those Georgia's Senate seats, go to Democrats there. What does that tell us about what's happening in suburban areas? What's happening the Republican Party's ability to compete those to me are the most interesting races now, that's even just for this election but going forward for the next several cycles as the Senate continues to be a battleground over these next many years. And all hearkens back to that GOP autopsy you mentioned in the first segment. Lonnie Chan Robert Gibbs gentlemen has always a pleasure. Thank you both for being with US tonight as we're getting close and coming up a dispatch from the medical frontlines in what has become a war zone and the fight against the coronavirus. We still can control this. By the types of smart policies wearing a mask, those indoor spaces, avoiding crowds being very careful around the holidays and having more testing. But if we don't do those things, it may force local officials or government officials in the states to have more draconian measures because cases will go up if we don't make a change. A stark warning from a member of what is still nominally the White House Corona virus task. Force even as the president demands the country lift restrictions covid nineteen cases arising in almost every state hospitalizations are surging across our country in Denver. The city again tightened restrictions may or they're warning stay at home orders are next if things don't turn around in North Dakota covert nineteen hospitalizations hit new highs just today as we mentioned earlier, one analysis says, if the state was a country, it would have the world's worst confirmed Kovic. Break indeed for more, we welcome to the broadcast Dr Michael Lebeau is president of the Bismarck North Dakota region of Sanford healthy he's been a practicing physician who frolic by trade in the area for over a decade Dr Plain English what's it like in North Dakota tonight? Is He. We're full. Goes. All else cares we work together we still feel. Pretty. Good where Is You look at our numbers were getting a little bit better notes? Look at our work day rolling average eleven point one percent positivity rate of to eleven point four. Seven. Days. Or hospitals think continue to be. Challenged from a capacity standpoint we've been fortunate so far that we had not had to ration in there. You feel comfortable with staffing ratios. Yeah. But it's shower. Could you make a case that November is the new February? And by that I mean I think there's widespread agreement that we frittered away February we wasted it. We lost all that ground through mismanagement and minimizing the approaching virus. Now, we have that same sense of foreboding like were about to enter another phase another chapter. Do you get that feeling. I. Think. We all have to acknowledge the rise in the case and the challenges that can bring I. Don't think the rate rises sustainable. It is we sit as healthcare providers. Work together we feel comfortable where we're at but to continue this rate of rise I, don't think this sustainable. The interesting thing is I think it's sinking in our state look at all of our major cities. We Now out masks mandates that we've put into place and people I think are starting to really speak up for safe. I WanNa, play you something Doctor Burks said about your state. This is back on Monday hope you can hear it clearly we'll discuss it on the other side. Over. The last twenty, four hours as we were here and we were in your grocery stores in your. Palm restaurants and frankly even in your hotels. This is the least use of mass that we have seen in retail establishments of any place we have been. And we find that deeply unfortunate because you don't know who's infected and you don't know if you're infected yourself. So Dr That's a hell of a thing to say about your state, what do you chalk that up to is that just kind of red hat political pressure. Think. So I think. If you look at just the spread of the virus. Obviously. You. Know you look at New, York City in what they went through. It became very real. I think are cases were slow to spread I think maybe we got a little bit lax in our personal responsibilities. Just that maybe it was going to dodge us. We kind of had a sense of being a rural state being distance maybe gave us enough protection. Probably. Where we're at Yeah. It's been said by people smarter than me that this virus does not respect rural or urban or state lines or any of it. doctor Lebow. Thanks for staying with us. Thanks for joining us on the broadcast tonight. Good luck with the fight there in north. Dakota coming up tonight our friends in new. Orleans. Hit with another major storm after this hurricane made landfall there. Tonight we'll get a late report when we come back. Louisiana got hit by another hurricane tonight. It's already been a record hurricane season for that state. It has never before been hit by so many name storms. This season has left coastal communities. They're torn up our friends in New Orleans have largely avoided getting hit until now. Sadly, tonight, it was their turn and there you see it hurricanes Ada made landfall on the Louisiana coast as a category. To sustained winds at landfall one, zero five, it has already caused widespread damage and flooding. We wanted to show you some of the coverage our own NBC station wd Asu in New Orleans has been putting on the air. Tonight they've been covering this huge story on a rolling basis. Here is some of that from this hour that we've been on the air as the storm roared through new. Orleans. Grassley here right off of Right Avenue very close to the Oakland Mauer there has been a partial collapse to an apartment building. Now, the apartment complex is actually along the two hundred block of Right Avenue told this as a result of Zeta making its way through the Wheezy Anna Twenty. Five residents are now displaced as result of all of this. We're told that all are currently being sheltered by officials. This is because of the heavy rains and. Winds to hit this area this evening here in Jefferson parish a very good bid of residents are still without power as we speak about seventy, five percent of residents. The last time that we checked but officials also tell us at least one person had to be treated for a puncture wound. But like I said, this situation could have been much worse in we will continue to keep you updated and show then not far from where hurricanes data. Made landfall near Coca Dri at about four o'clock this afternoon, and you can see some of the damage behind me a huge trees being moved out of the road. It's one of many that fell during the storm. We have power outages all across this area, some water in people's yards, and a lot of trees down some people who evacuated this area earlier today have been trying to make their way back to their homes now that the storm. has passed they're running into obstacles like these. I talked to a gentleman who can't reach his home and he has one concern tonight contres. We have a bunch of oak trees, pecan trees, but pecan trees roots don't go out as for farther. So they're not as in the ground and oak trees are pretty strong. They just throw branches everywhere but people were pecan trees sure they have some that are knocked down for sure. And it is scenes like this. One in the one at that gentleman fears with those trees down on his property that a mandatory curfew is in effect for Tara Bone Perish until sunlight tomorrow. Nobody in. Louisiana. Deserved another pummeling from another hurricane. It's very on brand for twenty twenty. But look at this. This is live mixture of radar satellite. This storm now moves like a rocket on up through the seaboard they will awaken in New Orleans to clear skies though windy this is supposed to end up as a rain system off the New York tri-state area off New England by the end of the week with snow wrapping around behind it. 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As one does and then late today he got to his anti mask routine. In California, you have a special mass you cannot under any circumstances, take it off you have to eat through the mask. Right and then realize those germs they go through it like that. They look at you with that contraption and they say that's an easy one read through the food and boy you know when you have spaghetti meat shows that mask is looking. You work at it looks like you got into a fight. Okay, not true. But he was on a roll and over the past few days there have been numerous reminders that especially when it comes to the weather, it's really all about how it affects him. Doing three or four these day and you think that's easy right? You know he just left Wisconsin it was called this again it was called and raining it's freezing and it's raining and the rain was going into sideways like What are these jobs? Are Standing here freezing. At least you're down there with each other of all up here and that wind is blowing. And I'm sitting in the hottest Sun I've ever felt. As hot. They're gonNA. See me tomorrow. Look like a lobster. You're going to say look what we did to him. Donald Trump on the road brings us to a close on this Wednesday night that our broadcast for this evening. Thank you so very much for being here with us on behalf of my colleagues, the networks of NBC. News good night. On Tuesday join MSNBC's Rachel Motto Nicole, Wallace Joy Reid, and Williams analyzed the election of our lifetimes. Steve Kornacki will break down the data stay with MSNBC until the last vote is counted.

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"I think by looking at it this way. The first time we have an excuse there were about one hundred thousand deaths that came from that original search. All of the rest of them in my mind could have been mitigated are decreased substantially. If we took the lessons we learned from that moment. That's what bothers a every day that. Stop dr deborah berg the former white house covert response coordinator under president trump. Saying most of the five hundred fifty one thousand. Us corona virus deaths could have been prevented. Imagine that. and we're at a point where we've been so shocked by what we've seen over the past four years but what. We saw the capital riots. We've been so shocked by the botching. The mismanagement and allies during the trump administration during this pandemic america has lost five hundred fifty one thousand people and dr burks herself who was inside the scientists saying all of those fatalities much of them. Many of them could have been prevented social distancing guidelines a raise to a vaccine masking managing this pandemic. Actually even though it would have taken a lot of sacrifice on the part of the american people actually was easy to lead through. You had to work to be as bad as the last president and to allow so many people to die well and and really it just comes down to source of president needing go told the truth and he refused to do that from the beginning. We can show you the club's you've seen them. The president saying that things weren't bad. It was only one person coming in from china. Sooner was going to be gone. The president saying the next month it was fifteen people coming in saying that to a michigan. Rally that soon they were all gonna be gone. The president telling republican members of the senate. Just relax this is all going away. Nothing to worry about the president telling african american leaders. Don't worry about this. It's going to go away. you'll see just like magic's going to then he started talking about easter we'll be back by easter and we're all going to be where you use bleach all of these things So it is good to hear somebody who was alongside the president every step of the way saying what historians will likely say and Members of trump's will push back upon. That is it yes. He was responsible for a large number of these deaths just because he denied in public what he admitted privately. Bob woodward this was a deadly virus that it was a killer. But it's something that he just didn't want to get out because he cared more about the bottom line. The stock market the dow jones that he did the lives. His millions million headline no joe. I mean it's important to look back as painful as it is to look back at every step of how everything unfolded in the trump presidency. But moving forward. What i see is that this isn't over that this trump in a way that the trump effect to trump following. It's not necessarily gone. It's not behind the united states of america and in many ways that will discuss during the show today and in the days to calm. It's still very much an ongoing proposition. Where there are many americans to are following him. Still so welcome to morning. Joe it is monday march. Twenty ninth with us. We have white house reporter for the associated press johnson. The mirror host of msnbc's power takes nation and president of the national action network. Reverend al sharpton and co founder of punchbowl news on palmer is with us as well this morning. It's great to have you all onboard. The latest abc news obsessed poll shows widespread approval for president. Biden's top priorities. Seventy five percent approve of his. handling of vaccine distribution. Seventy two percent approve of his handling of the pandemic overall and sixty percent approve of how his handling the economic recovery. Okay so that's good news. Jonathan lemaire you look at Those three numbers. You have a president. Who's doing extraordinarily well with the american people and actually majority of support on two most important issues right now and that is getting vaccines out there. And also handling Epidemic epidemic The pandemic even doing pretty well with the economic recovery. So that's one side of the coin there the positive side. We'll get the negative in the second but howard biden team feeling about how they're doing and how they need to stay one step ahead. Well this of course is their central focus. He was elected more than anything beyond just simply not being. Donald trump was to manage. This crisis has worst health crisis in a century. And they feel good about where they are particularly. After last after the first couple of weeks they really ramped up. Vaccine manufacturing and distribution that is a huge win for them right. now it can't be overstated. How much better things are in terms of getting vaccines out the door. Into the arms americans long way to go of course are there are people who are hesitant to take the vaccine to be convinced. Yes but right now. That is a huge strength. And they like the positive signs or seeing from the economy the administration feels like biden has momentum right now because he's handling this and they believe this can lead to his being able to push through other parts of his agenda but they've always said this was job number one the fight's not over they feel good about where they are out of former president. Does jonathan said his people have feel like he had some wind as back especially as it pertains to the handling of the covid Crisis and helps him push democrats forward and maybe night them a little more. He moves forward to whether it's infrastructure voting rights. Absolutely i think basically you don. Joe biden is in the strongest position. He possibly could be a lot of people on capitol hill even myself early skeptical that he was going to be able to move as aggressively as they did. Get relief done. That's been a success. Rollo has been a success in the vaccine. Is jonathan says the big questions going to be wednesday bill back better. Better do democrats coalesce around infrastructure. Much more complicated. Probably in some cases your divisive in terms of what the priorities should be. Whether it's clean jobs or other things you can't. He continued that omega clearly. Republicans are concerned about those poll numbers. They're not talking about covid relief. They're talking about the border and nothing has look at those polls job in is in a very strong position so when it comes to the president's handling of the border crisis fifty. Seven percent approve. Forty-one percent sorry disapprove. Excuse me so. Fifty seven percent disapprove and forty one percent approve. The president is also underwater when it comes to his handling of gun violence after two high profile mass shootings just over forty. Two percent approve fifty. Seven percent disapprove. Those are little understand that those are little harder to dig into reverend al because of course some of the right may think that he's doing too much when it comes to proposing new gun safety legislation others may think on the left that he's not doing enough. Let's talk about that border crisis. It's been a mass along the border. you know. It's concerning when some people in the administration and also in in left wing media go. There's not a crisis at the border. Nothing to see here move along. This is just regular migration-flow when that's not worth what what we're hearing from people on the ground that's not what we're hearing from experts in this field. So what. what does the president need to do what we're seeing at one level. What people say. This is normal. Arise during the spring because the terrain across central america's easier to travel but there is even a surge above that. I think the president needs to deal with facts honest. I think the reason that he's got such high marks and how polling in the area of coping ninety is because he's come on is a straight shooter he must be straight shoot about what's happening own. A lotta bit is because of people. In central and south america feel that he is more humane. President and understanding president is predecessor trump and a lot of it. Most of it is what people are running from. We must look at the fact. People do not league countries respite children. Unless there's running from something. They feel that is dying so he was allies. How he could deal with leveraging those countries to do things that would make citizens not wanna lee and happy you make policy at the border but at the say trying to stop the surge and i do not think he needs to be trump like it trying any way to cover what is going law. Yes there's a research but is even a little beyond that it we need to deal with it deal with it a squint. Fairway to the problem and jonathan. Taking care of the problem at the source of foreign aid. That is of course more of a longer term solution and it certainly needs to be done. It works but joe biden and his camp and his campaign team and his is political team inside. The white house are not going to be looking at these numbers where he's doing great on just about every other issue but the border and sit back and do nothing. What do you expect them to do. How do you expect them to adjust politically over the next week to those numbers. I know he started doing that. With some of the things he said at the press conference he took a more moderate more. Tough a tough stand then initially did. What do we expect this coming week. Couple of things here joe. I you write. His rhetoric changed a little bit last week. Also importantly let's remember. He appointed vice president. Khama harris to lead the administration's response to the situation of the border. That's a big deal. This is her first real major piece of her portfolio and it shows administration is taking this very seriously. that's a signal there too. There are working overtime to expand facilities there at the border and they are looking to change their approach somewhat here in the coming days also allowing more media access. I should point out but also but it is. You're right though this is also a political situation so humanitarian crisis of course at the border but it's also politics for the white house. Of course it is and they are wary is the first time. The republicans have laid a glove on them. We saw how popular the kobe released. Bill was the republicans saw that and largely left alone. they did. They've known voted for it. Of course republican lawmakers they saw how popular it was with constituents but they focused on things like dr seuss and mr potato head but here they've they've seized the border issue where they can score some points even if it led to some images that rather odd rugs trip down to the border from republican senators. Ted cruz lindsey graham among them a few days ago and the white house is aware of that is where they have taken a few hits and they're looking to push back and it starts with setting a more aggressive agenda including putting a vice president head on the head of the team so we're talking about polls obviously everybody's curious about what the president's doing it as polls but absolutely fascinating poll about andrew cuomo. That came out yesterday that that we were starting to see hence of over the past week or two black voters in new york has had have remained loyal. Andrew cuomo the base of the democratic party has remained loyal to andrew cuomo and now his overall numbers after being buffeted with weeks months of really bad press and some really serious stories. His poll numbers of stabilized. So the latest morning console poll shows the approval rating for new york. Governor andrew. cuomo is stabilizing in the wake of to scandals. Threatening his career on february eleventh was still riding a wave of support from the pandemic he was at sixty three percent approval when the news broke that his administration withheld data on nursing. Home deaths from cove. It about two weeks later just before a former aide accused him of sexual harassment. He had dropped seven points to fifty percent over the past month. More accusers have come forward. And he's only dropped about three points now at fifty three percent approval as the morning console notes. These latest numbers are similar to other surveys conducted over the past few days that suggest decline in cuomo's approval is leveling off joe. He had it coming from the nursing home scandal alone you would think would be pretty debilitating hit on especially given. I think a lot of people really looked up to him during the pandemic a lot. Still do obviously and their nursing home crisis and the after effects of that that the hidden numbers so to speak and i put that in quotes think but really take take take a hit on his leadership numbers especially because he wrote that book leadership. But you know what that on top of several accusations that have been. Highly publicized put on national network. Tv networks interviews with women who say that the governor sexually harassed them fairly young women. And you would think the meter would have moved a little more well This isn't this is not a new phenomenon. As we know We saw donald trump supporters people in donald trump's tribes stayed with him through thick and thin on the state level. You can look at ralph. Northam people in the media. Were calling for ralph north and virginia the get out Same thing with his lieutenant governor and both of them said they weren't going anywhere and the democratic base stayed with them and black voters stayed with them. And that's what's happening right now with andrew cuomo new york assemblies not gonna be able to impeach a guy if seventy five percent of the democrats are supportive of him and most black voters are still supportive of him. I think what we must deal with the fact that the charges that have been suggested against golden coral with nursing all novas multiple charges women Serious but people also feel that people have the right to defend themselves. And i think because we have become so accustomed to the country. Now seeing public figures accuse that we are now waiting to say. Wait a minute. Let s see what happens with the given opportunity to defend themselves. There's not a rush to judgment. I'm not surprised at governor. Cuomo's numbers did not go down to the black community. I was giving it every day on my syndicated radio. Show people nash achmed. We're saying so off the phone numbers reflect without getting it does not take away from the seriousness. Of what is josh but people are serious about you gather. Have you have to do more to make an accusation against someone that is extremely you know. Mika told me when she when she saw the numbers she said. We're talking about black voters remaining loyal you know in the media we try people and we try them and kicked out without due process. And you see that time and time again no due process no hearing somebody says something or or does something and they're immediately cancelled their immediately kicked out. and what. What meek said rev was the black community in the case of north and the case of a cuomo. They understand what it's like at times to feel like they're not receiving due process so like said they may be a bit more patient to actually work through allegations. Actually i've been out. What happened if i could have. They're used to actually being sometimes targeted and arrested just for being black. You look at the front of that any any data shows that many blacks disproportionately in our families have had people had to deal with the criminal justice system at some level of accusation. So we understand personally more than anyone get. Someone has the right to defend themselves against being accused smith. It does not mean at the end that they are not guilty. But you at least have to prove that you're guilty when my cousin. My brother are myself. Layup in frosted cues so that is why the black community says that. I can't think of one half visible black leader. That has not had to go through some of that. That you're guilty until proven innocent and i think that governor cuomo and others bill. Clint black stood by bill. Clinton all the way through to go is presidency. So i think there's no surprise of the did those that don't understand that are lives in our community has to look at it criminal justice system and those that use it differently than others who get a morfey trie while now to this. Some of those facing charges in the capital riot are raising their legal fees online usa today reports riot defendants are using an expanded network of online platforms to crowd fund their legal fees despite a crackdown by tech companies breeding from the report quote the capital riot extremists and others are engaging these companies in a game of cat and mouse as they spring from one fundraising tool to another using new sites user names and accounts in one case a crowd funding website setup in late twenty twenty has been adopted by a defendant charged with storming the capital. Who used it to raise almost one hundred eighty thousand dollars. His was one of eight fundraisers on the site as of last week and his donations accounted for eighty. Four percent of money raised on that platform last week. Former president trump told fox news that rioters broke into the capital on january six for quote hugging and kissing release and posed zero threat to lawmakers. That's just again. It's sick factual shocking. What you say to the families of those police officers named who are dead and who were beaten and abused by american flag. Trump had their heads shoved in like a vice into doors. Say how sick can you be denying that and hating police officers so much. Aiding cop so much that you're willing to say something like trump's former chief of staff speaking of at the weekend didn't see it that way. I was surprised to hear the president. Say that Yesterday earlier this week or something like that clearly. There were people who were behaving themselves and then there were people who absolutely were not going to come out and say that everybody was fine and there was no risk is just that's manifestly false people died Other people severely injured. There are videos pokes behaving themselves in protesting peacefully but they should not have been there and it's not right to say there was no risk. I don't know how you can say that when people were killed but on the lie continues. You have donald trump saying this. I basically throwing police officers under the bus suggesting that that they were never endanger that they were treated wonderfully when we know the horrors that that they had to endure that many of them edwin jer. But but it's donald trump. It's ron johnson. They're lying through their teeth and everybody knows they're lying through their teeth and yet they continue to lie what what is what is up game for them. Try this this would be like a leader trying to paper over nine eleven and pretend that it never happened and said oh no no no. The islamic extremists actually treated the pilots. Very well our our whatever. Whatever analogy wanted to draw here you have. Police officers being brutalized with american flags. Police officers having their heads shoved into doors. One officer lying down on the ground being beaten and saying that he knows that he's not going to survive and he's wondering how four daughters are going to live without him. Another police officer sprayed with bear spray. Who died later. This is this is this is so deeply offensive to these police officers and their families to pretend this never happened it so deeply offensive to well. You know kevin mccarthy also screaming at the president wanted state's asking for help the president refusing help and other republicans called. Mike can't stuck there with his family. Wall these trump terrorists were chatting hanging. Mike pence hang might tents they. Donald trump never came in fact. He tweeted inflammatory rhetoric about mike pence after he found out that mike pence has been rushed from the chamber and donald trump is saying that these police officers you hear the screaming and the agony from that police officer how donald trump is saying that the police were treated wonderfully ron johnson is saying there was never any risk there was never any threat at the united states capitol on a. It's it's breathtaking. I don't see what the upside is for them. What what is the political calculation here. It's hard to say me so divorced for reality star pitchers that were just watching right. It's not as if this happened. And nobody saw it. And then the entire world wasn't completely absorbed in watching in horror as the country that is supposed to be standing for freedom and democracy is being overrun by its own people And i think it's very divorcing. Ron johnson is an outlier on capitol hill when you talk to members of congress when you talk to leadership republicans and democrats. There is a lot of fear right now as a member of congress. They feel like they're under attack. We're seeing more members than i've ever seen in fifteen plus years of conquering congress with security detail. Not just leadership remembers. You'd expect rank and file numbers. Were getting serious. Rats based on what the president and some of his supporters are pushing the fact that they have to have security details at erodes at homes. I mean this is not as if this was a one off event we finally have someone security fencing that going down around the capital. But everybody's on high alert here. And i don't understand exactly what donald trump is doing except for the fact that he wants those supporters to continue to support him and that that's very very important to whatever his calculation is or next business venture or future in politics but it is. It's absolutely totally separate. And apart from most people in washington understand what the truth most people the world now and you're saying that ron johnson donald trump or actually an outline based on the republicans. You talk to day in. I do think they are. I think that ron johnson is definitely not in the mainstream of public lawmakers to understand what happened. Okay that's let's still ahead on morning. Joe was an joe. Yeah it's a new warning from intelligence officials about the potential for the taliban to take over. Afghanistan troops are pulled out plus dnc chair. Jamie harrison is standing by. He joins the conversation after vowing to fight republican efforts to restrict access to the ballot box. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. Welcome back to morning show. It's thirty past the hour. What a pretty shocking washington. Dc as the sun comes up and look at the traffic. Oh my gosh. There's a lot of traffic. Actually president biden. People are getting back to work. President biden may step into address the restrictive new voting longest in georgia. He told reporters that the white house is working on a response. Take a look there anything to wait up to to protect gooding right. Been georgia while. We're working on that right now. We don't know why exactly we'll be looking in a fiery statement earlier in the day. The president again urged congress to pass the voting rights bills that would prevent restrictions like the ones in georgia. He wrote in part. This is jim crow in the twenty first century. It most end we have a moral constitutional obligation to act. I once again urge congress to pass the four. The people act and the john lewis voting rights advancement act to make it easier for all eligible americans access the ballot box and prevent attacks on the sacred right to vote and as day administration looks to shift its priorities to the next big project infrastructure senator raphael warnock of says. The country cannot simply move on. We've got to work on infrastructure infrastructure of our country our roads and our bridges and we've got to work all the infrastructure of democracy author all the only reason we're able to get anything done have the prospects of getting more done This congress is because people were able to show up and express their voices in their democracy. We wouldn't have passed. The american rescue plan had the people of georgia not stood up in the way that they did historic turnout. And so we've got to do both of those things joining us now. Dnc chairman jamie harrison. Welcome back show. It's great to have you Right out of the box acts ask about these new restrictions. What can be done before the next election to try and pull back these restrictions that some would say our new laws that are based on lies. Yeah we'll make a. We're gonna do everything we possibly can within our power to fight back against these laws. We're gonna take them to court There's lawsuit already pending against georgia. The georgia law. But we're also gonna fight this in congress as well and listen. This isn't anything new You know i'm a son of the south. I grew up here in south carolina. One lasting deal with my grandfather was vote. He passed away in two thousand and four. And that day i sat on the porch with him in the reminded. Me of the history. Said jamie here in south carolina. I was always considered a whole main. I wasn't always allowed to grow jamie. Never let anybody tell you that you don't matter that you don't count what has done in this. Bill is in essence said to a group of folks in georgia. That you don't matter you don't count from even criminalizing giving somebody a bottle of water. This is america. This is not iraq or something over in the far east. This is america where we send our sons and daughters overseas to fight for democracy and other countries with over here. The republican party does every damn thing that they can in order to take the right all the right to vote away from a duly qualified americans. And it's not right and we're gonna fight back against it. I wondering that. I iraq election. What american commentators. What the republican party would have done. If let's say shia militia had ordered a rule and enforced it that if you tried to give water to one of those iraqis at wanted to vote and hold off their finger shaving that the purple finger that everybody was getting weepy. About what if the iraqi government or what if what if shia militias said. If you can't do that you can't give water. We would be outraged. We would be rightly outright. So so mr chairman that's the most obvious extreme idiocy of this bill but tell me we. We've heard a lot of generalities about the new. Jim crow jim crow to point out. Give our viewers the provisions that you find the most troubling that you find the most aggressively targeted at black voters and hispanics and other people of color or is just joe appreciate you bringing this up. Because this provision in essence we know about the calls it. Lindsey graham may to the secretary of state we know about a calls at donald trump me to The secretary of state is well in this bill. It provides very parkson state board of elections the opportunity to go into say fulton county. Where is the county which atlanta's of vastly over a democratic count. It gives them the opportunity to replace the entire county board of elections in fulton county. For really no reason at all other than to say we don't like what you do and it allows then the state which is controlled by republicans to say we're going to disqualify voters in this county. We're going to not allow these voters to vote in this particular county and there's really nothing that anybody can do. And that's what's in this bill right now and we need to fight that everything that we have ref jamie mr chairman out a the fact that is as you said a tradition of finding these kind of southern states factor. Forty three states are trying to change the laws which means that we really need a national legislation that we refer to in this segment in terms of the senate. Bill wanted to john lewis. Bill will the democratic congress terms with the fact that he may have to try and get its members to deal with the phillips to in order to get federal law to protect us against the state by state election laws and other measures that are so input. Will the dnc fiber having to deal with the question filibuster. Well reverend al. You know better than i than. I won't be the first time that the federal government has had to stepping in order to protect the rights of citizens from what what is going on in some of these states and what the democratic party has to do. We cannot be shy about list. We cannot talk out of both sides. We have to do everything that we possibly can. And that means looking at the rules in the senate to to make sure that we're protecting the rights of all americans and they you know you hear. Republicans like lindsey and others mitch. Mcconnell who are saying. This is a big federal paragraph. this is protecting the sacred right. We have is american citizens. It's this is the foundational in which all other rights are built upon and so when we allow the slip away and everything else in this country falls apart and we can't do that. We as democrats need to make sure and this is what we want. Every american nagoya invoke. Even if you don't vote for democrats. I would love for you to vote for democrats but even if you don't that you're right as an american citizen to go invoke and. I know that we can win the battle of on the issues and we have better candidates john we'll get into that arena but i'm not willing to allow one political party. Who only hit can win by cheating to do just that. We can't do that. We do all the giant. Jonathan muir with the ap's with us and has a question. Jonathan mr chairman. Good to see you this morning. I wanted to pick up. Where the reverend off and ask you more specifically about the filibuster. Obviously your job is the dnc. Chairman is for democrats as possible showmanship. West virginia is a democrat He is one who has signaled some opposition to the filibuster in the past. He and his aides have made it very clear in recent days. He's the only democrat. Who could win in west virginia. So therefore he sort of an immovable object and it would seem that he is suggested that if he casts about a you know he could be voted out of office or he could switch teams whatever it might be. How concerned are you in particular with joe mansion. Here what is your game. Plan along with senator schumer in the white house to work with manchin cinnamon era of senator arizona as well on this filibuster which where reform is likely going to be needed in order to get things done for voting rights gun control and other measures i think mansions probably right. That'd be may be the only democrat that can win statewide in west virginia. Listen at this point. In time he had the deal with the reality of the situation Got fifty fifty votes in the in the senate right now. Comma harris gives us one more. And so that gives us control of the senate at this point town. Now we know. That's limited control. We don't have the flexibility that we really need into my job. What i can control is how we can get more. Democrats elected to the senate to give chuck schumer more votes. So that gives other members that the flexibility to do what they need to do and so. That's the thing that i can control. I'm leave to chuck schumer in others in the senate right now to decide where they can take this caucus. I hope though that democrats will understand that the american people and the democratic base is looking for them for leadership on this issue of voting rights and business something that is so personal to so many of us because many of our forefathers four others didn't always enjoy this right and so this is the most important thing that they can do over the course of the next few weeks in few dan chairman jamie harrison. Thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. We appreciate it. We want to bring in now. Political scientist election analysts and founder of the digital platform. The cycle rachel bitcoin. I she recently surveyed about twelve hundred georgia voters on election election twenty twenty and the capital riot and has also been listening to this previous conversation. Let's let's start with what you found out with the work. You've done looking at The election and the riot. Yeah i'm very pleased to present these results in context of this conversation and it's really critical because i think what we are. We tend to do on this side of the aisle. Anyway is forget about that. Thirty thousand foot context. And you know. It's a nice to think that ron johnson. Donald trump what they are doing with trying to pretend that the capital riot was hugging. Event and peaceful and non risky is something. that's a marginal or a fringe movement thing. But i commissioned the survey because i wanted to quantify how radical our regular republican voters. And i use the state of georgia because of the voting legislation. That was being proposed there to demonstrate that this is not a marginal viewpoint in fact only fifty. Three percent of overall georgia's electorate view the capital riot. Today has an armed insurrection. And that is driven predominantly by the fact that only nineteen percent of self identified republicans in virginia and georgia. View it as an armed interest insurrection. And so it's not ron johnson. Our entire republican party being fed that information through the right wing media machine and that is really why we're in this legitimate ongoing democratic crisis that is feeding passion for restricting voting rights across the whole country and putting in measures to allow them to invalidate. Even if you get around these new suppression laws. They're putting in backstops that will allow state legislatures to overturn election results. We really need be talking more about this in a in a thirty thousand foot democratic crisis type of frame i think anna palmar has the next question. Anna irishman followed them. What you were talking about about the fringe versus the mainstream. Because i think in the capital. We see a real difference between ron johnson as being an outlier compared to a lot of republicans. What did you find in the survey between know. Is it really the fringe or is it actually just mainstream. Republicans having these kinds of ideas. Yeah let me give you. Some startling data is because it is really startling. Twelve percent of republicans in this data. Say that joe biden legitimately won the election. Okay so when we and georgia voters and although we we see a pretty robust rejection and data about these specific voter laws. I can tell you now that when it comes to election day and twenty twenty two. These republicans are going to vote for republican candidates. So it may be that when they're in the capitol. Our elected republican elites who earn that johnson frame are telling reporters. Gosh i'm so uncomfortable with the direction of the party. They are being pushed very heavily by these gerrymander districts. And we're about to undergo another gerrymander ready down to about fifteen percent of overall. How seats being competitive. If the republican party down and doesn't another partisan gerrymander which is what their intention is to do to take the house majority. We are looking at a twenty twenty. Two twenty twenty four cycle in which gop is giving us every indication that this time they're putting in the mechanics to contest the results of the twenty two thousand four election no matter which way it comes out so we're really in a crisis situation and unfortunate part is that we're not talking about that. We're talking about micro issues which are important. But ultimately it doesn't matter what's happening at the border and healthcare kovin if you're democracy is coming out in flames around you and no one's talking out such a critical insight rachel thank you for being here and it is critical. It's every time we have a story about january the sex and we show the footage from that day it bears repeating what happened It's just like i said about nine eleven which was an attack on our country and the pentagon something that we needed to show. It's something that we needed to talk about something that we needed to plan for the next attack on and here when the united states capitol is overrun by domestic terrorists and police officers die And and you have. Police officers being brutalized and our democratic process. Stop at in its tracks. It will end. It is the definition of sedition. We're a conspiracy to commit sedition where people planned and then moved in to stop the constitutional the constitutionally required counting of electoral ballots. That is that is sedition and it happened while we were all watching on television law enforcement allowed it to continue to happen for too long. We had a sitting president who was actually sitting there. Gleefully watching as police officers brutalized and beaten with american flags wondering why other people in his office weren't cheering along with him. We had republicans kevin mccarthy calling on the phone screaming begging for help president at that time refused offer help had other republican members of congress who actually served overseas and uniform calling asking the president for help we had a vice president of the united states being chased around. People chanting hang might pence his family hiding away from the mob and but for the actions of an extraordinarily a tactical strategic chapter. police officer. We probably would have had a confrontation between the mob and members of the united states. Senate so rachel you're right. We can never forget and we have to see what's happening. Not just in georgia but all across the country as it continued effort to prop up a republican party. That obviously believes it can now only win by anti democratic measures. It's very very simple battle. You've got people fighting for the constitution. People fighting undermined the constitution. We have people fighting for an expansion of western liberal democracy. And you have people on the other side who are ill liberals who don't want american democracy western liberal democracy to expand because they know they don't have the numbers swelled. They've lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential election cycle out of the last night. I'll have to check on that. But make a rachel is right yes. It's important to look at specific issues. That were debating that we're going through every day and but this all against a dark backdrop of january the sex can never forget and we have to continue supporting the fbi as they try to bring every last person. Who's part of that sedition to just better for thank you very much for being on the show once again. We'll see you soon and still ahead. We'll talk about what we can expect in court today. As opening statements get underway in the trial of derek chauvin. The former minneapolis. Police officer charged in the death of george floyd or back in just a moment. The trial of former minneapolis. Police officer derek. Chauvin is set to begin today. In min- minneapolis chauvin faces second degree murder third degree murder and manslaughter. Churches in george floyd's death last june. The prosecution will argue. Show wtn's restraint of floyd for about nine. Minutes was a substantial cause of his loss of consciousness and ultimately his death. meanwhile the defense is expected to present evidence that floyd could've died from several health conditions and does use drugs and may also bring up floyd's previous arrest in may of twenty nineteen as part of their case reverend a river. Now what are you thinking. So far as you're hearing as to what the defense is gonna put forward In the man who died because he couldn't breathe because somebody was kneeling on his neck. Then minneapolis city will be gone with the traveling to the opening. Arguments was the gis that george shrugs fueled used to and one of the things that the family is of been told is that the prosecution will raise the fact that if in fact the officer killed His knee on the neck of george floyd for eight minutes and forty six seconds. It some even if an officer was reacting It out of instinct and some turns into intent and in is in fact that you gender know 'cause they travel deal with human being and you can raise the questions of drugs you can raise. The questions of his previous arrests. To question is even all of that is true and again that must be proven Even though george. John trout shaking. Did you still have to deal with the fact that you have the right to intend to harm or death in track going into the court this morning of the family and turkey applause on unequal eight minutes and forty six seconds so people around the world that will join us will say that's a long time not to hear man yanking his life saying i can't breathe called for his mother. That's a long period of chat as people closet us. Eight minutes and forty seconds arguments from both sides. But the tank jerry. I think it was going to be properly matic through the defense reverend. What are you hearing from the family. And does the family plan to speak to the people of minneapolis in the country before or after Judgment is rendered. We had a presser betsy last night. Which joaquim and early. The family spoke. They will speak going into court this morning. Family join attorney in crop nine speak and they wanna set a tone. That only want is justice in not looking for violence. The pilots has been done on. George look looking for justice and looking for fair trial aggressive prosecution because in many ways this case is not only about shaving is about the up american criminal. Justice system shaven his in the courtroom but americans on trial. Can we bring justice in a case where policemen on video for almost nine metres despite pleas. His light leads to someone's retaliatory. Will this officer bieber walkaway for this. America's gonna have to really stand up and deal with the threat if we have got to be able police accountable. All police are bad lows there but at some point the bad police must be held account wherever now. Thank you coming up The united states. It's a new record for daily corona virus. Vaccinations but it comes as some states. See an increase. In case how dr anthony. Fauci is explaining the rise of infections morning. Joe is coming right back.

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Day 1,274: Trump congratulates his own government as COVID-19 rages

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

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Day 1,274: Trump congratulates his own government as COVID-19 rages

"Well good evening once again day twelve, hundred, seventy, four of the trump administration, one hundred ten days to go until the presidential election, the president's niece making news tonight as we knew she would, because of what she is saying what she saw inside the house inside the family, we have more on all of it in just a moment now to the largest public health crisis in the modern era of the United States tonight. Our country continues to lead the world in corona virus. We represent four percent. percent of the global population we have twenty five percent of the corona virus on the planet. In the last twenty four hours, this country saw another seventy, three, thousand, one, hundred, sixty nine confirmed cases. That's another single day record. If you're counting along with the escalating rate of infection, and about forty of our fifty states, the number of people hospitalized now rising covert tracking project says it's now over fifty six, thousand fifty six thousand people in hospitals just about six months after our first ever hospitalization. That said the greatest public health crisis as we say in the modern era was again today, not the lead topic at the White House? The president did stand between two trucks today for an event about deregulating American industry and again today he tried to convince the country. How great things were and will again be? My Administration is also eliminated massive regulatory barriers in our battle against the China virus. We're now making ventilators for countries all over the world. No Administration in history has removed more red tape more quickly. To rescue the economy and to protect the health of our people, so we have many exciting things we'll be announcing over the next. Eight weeks I would say. Things that nobody has even contemplated thought about thought possible. A few hours earlier, his press secretary made this remarkable comment about her bosses determination to open schools in this country, despite virus cases soaring despite the risk to students and teachers. And he says open he means open and full kids being able to attend each and every day at their school, the science should not stand in the way of this. The science is on our side here. We encouraged for localities and states to just simply follow the science. Open our schools. Tonight NPR's reporting the Centers for disease. Control will not release new school reopening guidelines this week that was promised to us by vice president pence now they're promising it before August as of today data once available to the public has disappeared from the CDC website after the trump administration shifted control of the information to health and Human Services. There's one indication the administration may know just how serious this situation is. It is tonight in the form of new report from the Center for Public Integrity. They're saying it's obtained a secret white. House document that has eighteen states in what internally they're calling. The Red Zone for covert nineteen cases document warns there may be a need to readopt more stringent measures. Meanwhile the debate over mask, wearing rages on thirty states have now issued statewide orders Colorado and Arkansas the latest to do so for the Arkansas Governor. That's a major walk back then there's Georgia that state's governor Brian camp is not only refusing to mandate the public wearing masks tonight. He is suing to try to stop Atlanta Mayor Kisha Lance Bottoms from doing so Georgia's one of the many states reporting a surge in virus cases and Atlanta. Mayor has the virus which has also left her husband very ill. Not long ago, she issued this response saying quote. As of today thirty one hundred four Georgians have died, and I and my family are amongst the one hundred, six thousand who have tested positive for Cova nineteen, a better use of taxpayer money would be to expand testing and contact tracing. If being sued by the state is what it takes to save lives in Atlanta. Then we will see them in court. Corporations continue to try to protect their customers and their workers today, three more retailers target, and Publix telling their customers. You can't shop there without a face covering. Dr Anthony Fauci, who actually spoke with trump yesterday for the first time in two months was out again today with even stronger warnings about reopening our country too soon because he's been sidelined by the White House publicly, FAO cheese warning came during a conversation on facebook. As you quickly figure out. He appeared alongside Mark Zuckerberg. We! Do have a serious situation now i. mean it's a mixed bag. You've got to do it correctly. You can't jump over steps, which is very perilous when you think about me bound, and the proof of the pudding is look what's happened. There really is no reason why we're having forty fifty, sixty, thousand, other than the fact that we're not doing something correctly. Corona virus vaccine, research may be the latest front in Russia's cyber war on the West. The US British and Canadian governments say Russian hackers are trying to steal vaccine research, and perhaps you're old enough to remember a time. When there used to be consequences, there are a few other developments were reporting on tonight. The Supreme Court allowed Florida to bar people with felony convictions from voting unless they've paid court fines and fees now civil rights, groups and voters affected by this lawsuit, saying it was effectively at twelve poll tax in the year two thousand twenty, and the state had been unable to calculate just how much potential voters. We also learned today that another one point three million. Americans have filed for unemployment making this the seventeenth straight week of more than a million jobless claims yet another somber reminder of the toll of this pandemic. Finally from the White House there is this Reuters photographer Jonathan Ernst captured the cross tabs on the giant binder. That Press Secretary Kaley. mcenaney brings to the podium every day anticipating possible questions. They include, but are not limited to absurd Obama, Flynn DACA. LGBT. Gulf Goya Lies Reopen Mary. Trump in one row economy hate masks. Russia and wins. There's foul. Misspelled Muller there's a Hogan either the hulk or more likely the governor of Maryland and others too numerous to mention. What a place to start our leadoff discussion on a Thursday night, Jonathan Lemere White House reporter for the Associated Press Susan Page USA Today Washington Bureau chief and Dr Gupta. He's an Er doc specializing in these kinds of illnesses, also an affiliate assistant professor at the University of Washington Department of Health. Sciences could evening and welcome to you all. Susan I'd like to begin with you. was in the news this week as one does. Peter Navarro wrote a hit job on Anthony Fauci at appeared in your pages, since-banned and editor's note at USA, today saying it should have been more rigorously. Fact checked, but still were reminded. It's the it's the thought that counts. It's really a white. House sponsored one way of looking at a war on information, science and medicine. Yes and what we've say Dan said the editorial page editor that there should have been more fact. Checking article with it, which has now been posted to point out some of the things. The Times Navarro said that are not factually true, but what's valuable about this op? Ed Is, it puts a senior aide to the presence on to the president on the record. Saying some of the same things that White House officials have been saying about twenty patchy behind the seats in. It never cut his credibility. We see what we see about the president and the vice president trying to embrace. FAUCI much closer in the past five. Darker Patchy has much stronger ability. To Cope nineteen and the. Doctor it strikes me here. You are in this fight. In the battle against Corona virus. If you wanted to see hospitalization stats from the CDC today, you would have found their website MTV of them. Talk about the public and what we're supposed to get during a public health crisis. Good Evening Brian you know the public needs access to transparent information. I love access to that information, but you know who needs it more than anything else are decision. Makers are elected leader. What are they looking at what type of information to the elected officials have if they don't have access to publicly available CDC information? I don't know because right now. What we do know is in places. Places like Florida. The Florida Secretary of health is actively engaging in data manipulation. They're not talking about ice. You beds available. They're talking about acuity of the patient presentation, severe or acute. Who knows what that means? When it comes to whether I su-, beds are available Bryant Let me take a step back and also talk about just the ethics of what's happening. You mentioned governor in Georgia. In a right now we talked about what's been politicized. What's not what's a moral? What's not? This is ethical. Brian. We're talking about withholding access to interventions solutions that could save lives. News crossed the line here about what isn't is not ethical in the space of saving lives, banning the mandating of masks in a dense urban population Atlanta is crossing a line of ethics and this. We need to reevaluate its fitness for office. This is unacceptable. Governor Dewine Ohio what he's doing unacceptable. I can go on. Jonathan Amir I think it's fair to cast this president and he has colleagues all around the world in similar positions as an early on full-on Corona Virus Denier the folks over at the recount have put together an amalgam of his quotes during the rise, the first of all the plateauing, but then the rise of the virus I WANNA. Share that clip with you. We'll talk about it on the other side. And what is what are your top priority items? For a second term? The word experiences still good I always say talent is more important that experience I never did this before. I never slept over in Washington. You know the story of writing down. Pennsylvania Avenue with first lady and I say it's great, but I didn't know very many people in Washington wasn't my thing. I was from Manhattan. Okay Jonathan wrong clip. That was the president asked about his second term goals. The right question should be will the messaging. Change his second term. Goals can't be about a walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. No Brian that's right, actually wrote on this very topic for the societas press this week about the president's inability to articulate what these second term goals would be, and frankly why he deserves another four years in office. We know that he had planned is as recently as January early February to run for election on the back of a strong economy that all went away on the pandemic reached. American shores, and now he s just played there. gave sort of nonsensical answer to Sean Hannity. Asked about it earlier this week in the in the Rose Garden when he rambled on for sixty two minutes though he did deliver some attack lines against Joe Biden that we probably will see again. Maybe will prove effective of at times. He also didn't offer any sort of coherent vision. What a second trump term would be as advisors have been working behind the scenes to try to get him to do a better job of that. The vague sort of notion is hey. I was oversaw strong economy once. I can do it again, but there's been very little in the way of proposals to make that happen, but we are seeing sort of connecting this to the pandemic Brian sort of again effort to turn the page that there is a very little focus as the virus is surging the raging across a number of the states in the nation right now the White House is acting almost as if it has blinders on it just trying to push for economies open. Schools Open the matter what the cost may be a not dealing with the very real crisis in so many states across the country. Yes, there's been a little bit of a of a truce. It seems the they've called off the dogs against Doctor Foudy, but he's certainly been sidelined doesn't carry the influence he he wants did and I think this is an administration that just simply doesn't want to deal with the facts and numbers about this pandemic, trying to just focus on getting that economy open again. Susan, we have indeed located that clip in question from the recount we'll play. We'll talk about it on the other side. You know it is going away. We've done I think on average, really phenomenal and Dr. saying that we've done an incredible job. I think what happens. Is it's GonNa go away? This is going to go away. We were able to cut it off stopping just like this, and it is dying out the numbers starting to get very good, and now it's time to open up. Get back to work the corona virus, and that's going to sort of just disappear I hope. Susan three things number one cost to the Biden campaign of that very effective in damaging, add zero. There are enough groups in the news media and most of them former Republican political types in this fight that are making ads better than the Biden campaign can dream about to fill that role number two. There's a lot of that. There are a lot of those quotes, and they keep coming number three and the question to you. Any sense of courage breaking out, among Republicans not on what Dr Gupta was talking about the the ethical side of this just share self-preservation of being down ballot up for reelection in November. Well the problem that I think. Republicans have as they are alarmed by being tied with the president, but there is not very much it can do about it. The Republican Party is the party. There is a penalty to paid for crossing. President. Trump. Has Jeff sessions about that and so you see Republicans down the ballot, including in these including these eleven Senate Races Eagles Eleven Competitive Senate races nine of them Republican health seats. But they don't talk much about President trump they don't put president. Trump his in their ads. They're not asking president trump to come in and pain. But I do not here very much. Except from a few of the usual suspects like Mitt Romney of Republicans, especially those who are going to be on the ballot, actually speaking out against president trump. Dr Gupta I have a quote from you on the subject of testing. And we can put it on the streets of the screen. You know it's amazing? This doesn't happen more often. Considering this is a broadcast being produced from everyone's kitchen tables at. The White House again says it's up to the states to work out testing issues. But today a group of researchers wrote an OP ED in the New York Times, saying testing in this country is near Paralysis Rockefeller. Foundation says US should invest seventy five billion dollars to fix the COVA testing system. What needs to happen? DOC Our. Remind everybody if you're in California, you're a symptomatic but fear. You may have been exposed to the virus. You can't get a test. There's no use because you're going to have to wait four to eight days for the results and think of all the life that can transpire in that time, so Dr over to you. Brian important question. This is what school district across the country that thirteen thousand school districts are wrestling with. How do I open up in a way in which we don't put teachers, parents lives at risk and in jeopardize her children, and that's comes down to testing. There's a reason you don't see testing. In the CDC guidelines or the or the trump administration referencing it because it costs money so that New York Times op-ed. This is what we need to do Ryan at the by the end of the year there's going to be pointed technology from multiple. Multiple companies in the pipeline where you get a swab in her nose. You put it into a detector. You'll get a result back in thirty minutes this technology. There's a light at the end of the rise in multiple companies looking at it, nasal swab saliva. It costs money though Brian for us to actually get it at scale. That's what the federal government needs to say will subsidize you if your school district will subsidize the purchase of that, so we can get testing needs to be rapid testing, so we can give people answers. They need quickly. All we have to make it a priority Manhattan project a Marshall Plan Choose your comparison a folks. Thank you for dealing with us and riding along with US tonight. Thanks to our big three Jonathan Lemaire Susan page Dr Van Gupta greatly appreciated coming up a dire warning from the top elected official in Dallas. County Texas tonight. What could be the deadliest week yet? And what he's trying to do about it standing by live to talk with us and later. Guess. They aren't family secrets any really. The president's niece airing what she knows what she fears about her uncle in her new book. And starting tonight here on television, the eleventh hour, just getting underway on this Thursday evening. 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He came in with Jessica and we all remembered telling him that he was gonNA. Be Okay. As we placed that reading too and. when I was back there that day we save that gentleman to watch that gentleman has last heartbeat surrounded by an incredible team. But a team that was literally helpless to save him. was heartbreaking. Wow take that in a nurse from Parkland Hospital Dallas. For a second straight day Texas set a new record in deaths with another one hundred twenty nine souls lost. The number of new daily cases remains high. Many those infections are coming, sadly, from Dallas, county. Over a thousand new corona virus cases were confirmed. They're just today. Along with a continued rise in hospitalizations, the county's top elected official warns this could be one of the deadliest weeks of this pandemic, thus far Dallas morning news reports at this way on Tuesday. The county morgue had to use cooling truck to store bodies for the first. First Time during the pandemic, and so we welcome to this broadcast the Dallas County judge. Democrat Clay Jenkins. He's the chief elected official of Dallas County. Texas judge I have to tell you for those of us out east, and the New York area the the PTSD, the memory of those refrigerator trucks on the streets of our metropolitan areas it's it's very very powerful, and still still very fresh and real in our memories, if memory serves me, Dallas County was the first shutdown in near state. Tell us what the situation is there tonight? That's right. We shut down the same day. New York. implemented their shutdown, and we were in a great shake, the governor, a reversal that in early May. We need you know a lot of help now, but the fact is. We've had fifty to death this week. We'll talk the fifty four, which was our record sad record from last week us so today I closed. Schools of impersonal learning until recently or our health department closed schools in person learning a until at least September the eighth in we cancel athletic and other school activities until at least September the eight. We're bad shape. We need You know the governor to follow. The science with the doctors are asking. I WANNA play a bit of year. Governor Governor Abbot from just yesterday. We'll discuss it on the other side. We've realized that perhaps we opened up bars too soon. Maybe we should have opened them up at all. It's just a matter of learning these best save strategies to make sure we get things under control, so we just have to do our part and take precautions, but no lockdown. No not downs. All we need is for people to wear masks. If everyone wears a mass, nothing will be locked down. Judges a lot to react to their first of all. The mask is no less effective today than it would have been march. April may or June. And do you think there are cities counties localities in the state? Of Texas that may well be looking at at least a defacto lockdown if these numbers get any worse. We've asked the governor to at least close. All businesses where the mass can't be worn one hundred percent of time. Out For, the ILISE last three weeks and reviews to close cigar bars, you cannot smoke a cigar and we're mascot at the same time indoors. Yes we. We need the the governor to all the science. Do what the doctors are asking him to do. Each day we wait, it gets worse and the the cure will be harder on our economy. More and more people get sick. so if We we can't do half-measures. Asked this not knowing where your office is? If you and I took a walk around the block at Lunch Hour? Tell me honestly. What percentage of people would we encounter wearing a mask? Dallas county virtually all of them. because. We have pretty stringent enforcement on that and it's. It's enforcement through understanding. Drilling it in. There got emmett Smith on TV telling people. It's important you know we're doing everything we can to To do that and are are restaurants in the things that are still open won't let you in there without umass now. Unfortunately, what happens is when they get into the restaurant. Of course they take off the master. Spy were asking them to close restaurant in person dining, but as far as stores. It's pretty much under percent. As a giants Fan I'm going to let that Emmett Smith reference. Go and someday and Happier Times you and I can talk football, but now specially. All of us out east are wishing everybody in Texas, only the best and hoping you get the upper hand on this judge Clay Jenkins. Thank you very much for having a sentence spending a few minutes with us on this Thursday night and coming up for us, our coverage continues. Donald Trump's niece says he's simply not capable of true success. Talk about her reasons. Why part of her first televised interview tonight after this? I want people to understand what a failure of leadership this is and the reason he's failing at. It is because he's incapable of succeeding at it. It would have required taking responsibility, which would in his mind have meant admitting a mistake, which in his mind would be admitting weakness, which in my family was essentially punish with the death penalty. Symbolically or otherwise? How what I think. We need to grapple with now is why so many people are continuing to allow this? Still more insight into trump's approach, his mind into leadership from a member of his own family, the president's niece Mary. Trump's sitting down with Rachel Motto Tonight. Had this warning for all of us in this country? This is beyond partisanship. This is so beyond party. We need to be thinking about this as Americans. We need to be thinking about what who we want to be. Going forward so. Continuing along this path, which is exactly what would happen if Donald were to be elected in two thousand twenty would. I absolutely believe be the end of the American experiment. I do not believe there's any coming back from this. Back with us to talk about all of it Emily Jane Fox national correspondent for Vanity Fair who has extensively covered the trump family and happens to be the author of born trump inside America's first family. Also with us as Eugene Robinson Pulitzer Prize, winning columnist, for the Washington Post good evening, and welcome to you, both Eugene, in your particular line of work. I guess we don't talk about spilled ink anymore, but a lot of keyboard hours spent talking about the possibility the plausibility of a second trump term. A lot of key to hurt point that it wouldn't be survivable that all that makes us us would be threatened in your view. Is it recoverable. Is it survivable? Well, you know. I'm coming up the mystic person by nature. I like to think we could can physically survive it, but but we we would lose so much. I mean it. What is being destroyed day by day by this by this presidency. is striking and significant. And will take a long time. To bill back and some of we may never quite recover and another four years of it. I think it's not overstating it to say it would be. Catastrophic would be disastrous and America would emerge. After it, but it would be I. I do think different America. With weakened institutions with obliterated norms, I I i. don't know where we would be and and that's. The thing about this book is at it's you know he periodically I think we need to be read by the repels chicken and and made to realize. This president is and and when he's when he eats like and what he's doing. Emily, I want to show the good folks at home to photographs, one of Ivanka trump proudly holding a can of Goya beans not to be outdone. The other photo is of her father with an array of Goya products on top of the resolute desk. In the Oval Office one proviso it's in the middle of a pandemic. Emily? Figuratively, if you took a page out of this new book and a page out of the book, you wrote about the trump and held them up to a figurative bright light. Would they match, do the plotlines and the outcomes match, and do you think getting minds will be changed? I think that what is extraordinary and I. Don't WanNa. Let this moment slide. You had earlier this evening. The niece of a sitting president on national television, not only saying that her uncle has said horribly racist, insensitive Semitic things, and saying unequivocally, yes, I personally heard say that, but saying that this man is a danger to the country I can't imagine any family member of any person getting on national television and making those claims, let alone family member of a sitting president is just an extraordinary moment and i. don't want to let that go by. What I what I keep struggling with two square after Ivanka, trump and president trump posted those those photos of them doing makeshift ads for Goya, which as many have pointed out at questionably violates federal ethics laws. Is it that? That is a much easier conversation for the two of them to be having right now than a conversation about Mary Trump's book than conversation about the pandemic than a conversation about the economic recession or depression, we are likely headed into the dismal polls that have come out about president trump and his reelection prospects over the last couple of days, and this is what they do. This is what members of the family rather than say. These are the problems that we're facing and we're going to lead. They distract. They turn to culture wars. They returned to the red meat. That president trump's base wants to hear, and it's really just such a failure of leadership, but it is so. In line with how the trump's have been operating their entire lives. Emily Jane Fox Eugene Robinson are staying with us over the break coming up in our conversation returns as we've been saying, it's never great when your niece says you're a racist. It's even less great when you're. The president and people are in the streets and race, despite a pandemic is one of the defining and existential issues of our time, we'll take on that topic next. So all the dreams that are shattered all the lives that are lost it's because of one reason is because we have the great misfortune of contrary to have someone who is mentally intellectually morally deficient as leader beyond any ability of mind to describe. He is the most ill-suited person to be in the middle of a life and death crisis in American history. Steve Schmidt a conversation with Nicole Wallace earlier today in her interview with The Washington Post Mary. Trump told Ashley Parker the president. is quote clearly racist and said his behavior stems from a combination of upbringing and political cynicism. Today Rachel. Motto asked her if she ever heard her uncle used us straight up racial slurs. Oh Yeah Yeah of course I did. I don't think that should surprise. Anybody given have. Racist! He is today. Have you heard. Have you heard the president used the N. word? And Antisemitic slurs specifically. Just. Still with US Emily Jane Fox Eugene, Robinson Eugene. Did you learn anything new about Donald? Trump and that exchange from this author. Well. You know this is from an insider. The in more or less confirmed what I. Would have suspected but but hadn't heard anyone in a position. To tell me actually say and it was fascinating as as I watched. The racial went to that topic four times. I mean she kept coming back to? You are telling me that you've heard him. Say The N. Word and use these. Anti Semitic slurs, and she very confidently, and and consistently said yes, she has and. That it wasn't just the that was the the sort of ambient of the of the trump family. That was the way they talked, but that was the way he taught. And, of course, we've heard him for Latinos. Publicly We've seen his his racial attitudes. Play out not just in. It's worth, but his policies so I guess it should come as no surprise, but it's still shocking to hear it is. Emily. This is not your first Rodeo. HEARING TALES ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND Or racist comments member the comments from Mr Colin. In the back seat of a car with Donald Trump that you related remember of course Charlottesville and All the fine people on both sides. This is the first jeans point from inside the House. Does it make a material difference to you as a reporter? It should. This is someone who is on national television. Who is saying repeatedly? These are the exact words that she heard from her uncle. I I remember I've interviewed Michael Cohen. Just before the midterm election nearly two years ago, and he was recounting the numerous times that he heard racist statements horrible horrible things from the president over the years. But? He never went so far as to say that he used the N. word that he had crossed that line. So I'm not surprised that anything like this is coming out right now. I'm not surprised that it would come out from his niece, but. This is a moment where we don't need to be surprised if it doesn't need to be something new for us to be outraged by, it doesn't need to have the wow factor for us to take a step back, and saying that this is the president of the United States of America and his niece saying that she heard him us. One of. The most painful word, I could imagine anyone using it just a moment that we should stop and pause. Of Eugene in our remaining seconds of you've written a column about this, but I wanna get your at least top line comments when you hear Donald Trump's a law and order. What do you think? I think he's. He's playing to his base and he's making a George Wallace, style I guess you've now these as we call it white nationalist appeal. That's what he's doing. He's He's claiming that Democrats will will destroy the suburbs with fair. Existing Fair housing laws. He's he's. He's playing the race card. In a way that it hasn't really been played since the days of of a certain land, since the days of Lee, atwater, and and arguably since the days of George. Wallace it's It's it is stunning and shocking and assist. This is something we should not We should not ignore. We should not forget and we should not forget. Also Eugene. You and I are old enough to remember the phrase. Silent majority when it first appeared. Yes we do remember the phrase silent majority. when it first appeared in nineteen, Sixty Eight but The country was different than the country was wider. The country with you know it was not as diverse and and you know non college. Whites were not as big. A were much bigger. Percentage of the electorate and they are now it seems to be. Losing, play right now, but we'll see. Great, thanks to of our regular guests, Emily Jane Fox Eugene Robinson thank you both for coming on and coming up the loss of a friend of ours he was someone you knew as well when the eleventh hour continues. We received some horrible and sad news today about an American in Paris our man in Paris. In fact, Christopher dickey was a friend of ours, he was a frequent guest of ours here often from his perch high, above the Shawn's Liza with the trio from the background, always live, which meant getting up insanely early just to talk with us, and our audience, and our audience was always richer for the experience and his knowledge. Chris dickey was the real deal. You see a journalist in full one of those. Those great and curious storytellers who seem to know just about everything and everyone. He covered by my count every war there was over the last couple of decades from Central America to Africa and the Balkans to the Persian Gulf. He started at the Washington Post later was Paris editor at as we now call at the old Newsweek. He cared way more about journalism than Newsweek's owners. And after its third sale, he became world news editor at the daily beast, mentoring a ton of writers along the way. He was a clear eyed create as he saw it. Love of country meant holding us to account all of us, and we found him in a melancholy mood when he last appeared here back in May, watching the news from home in his Paris apartment, which that day included armed pro-trump protesters storming. The Michigan State House. I think images like that crystallize exactly what Europeans think about the worst of America the worst craziness of America the white supremacy. The guns, all of that we're talking about a relatively small number of people there. The bigger problem is that the United States is essentially abdicated leadership at the moment of the greatest global crisis in living memory, and that is a real problem. This is a kind of situation where you would have expected the US to take the lead to be out in front to be doing things better than anybody else. Even a few months ago, pandemic studies show that the US was the best prepared country in the world, but in Fach. We've shown no leadership in the United States at a disastrous situation. We are leading the world in deaths from disease and we'll have tens of thousands more before this is over. That was from May first and sadly for the record. Sadly for all of us, he was right. Christopher dickey was the son of the legendary southern writer James Dickey former poet laureate of the United States. James dickey wrote the novel deliverance. Part as the sheriff in the movie when the photo was taken with his incredibly cool son Chris on the right looking for all the world like period Bob Dylan Chris wrote a great book called summer of Deliverance about that summer with his very complicated father, one of seven books that Chris dickey authored. He had the best words he also took and posted of ton of photos like the sidewalk at thirty rock, where there were still people there last fall before an appearance on the air with us and the sidewalk in Paris posted just hours before he died. Our friend, the talented Mr dickey was sixty eight years old when he died of heart failure in Paris. We want to express our condolences to his family. We urge all of you to read what he wrote and left behind for all of us. Last thing before we go tonight. Let's end on something like and how about since this is normal now? The president of the United States once again, talking about water, pressure, water fixtures and newfangled appliances and light bulbs. He went there again today at the White House. So showerheads, you take a shower, the water does it come out you? WanNa wash hands the waters as income out. So what do you do, just stand there longer. You take a shower longer. Because my hair. I don't know about you, but has to be perfect. Perfect. DISHWASHERS! You didn't have any water, so you the people that do the dishes. You press it and it goes again and you do it again and again, so you might as well give him the water because you'll end up using less water, so we made it so dishwashers now have. A lot more water and many places in most places of the country is not a problem. They don't know what to do with it. It's called rain. They don't have a problem. And old fashioned incandescent light bulbs. I brought him back. I brought him back. To Nice qualities that cheaper and they're better. They look better. They make you look so much better. That's important to all of us. But they're better and much cheaper and they were. Out legislated out, and we brought him back and they're selling like hotcakes. The president of the United States to take us off the air tonight. That is our Thursday broadcast. 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Morning Joe 5/28/21

"In order to support our show. We need the help. Great advertisers and we want to make sure those advertisers are ones. You actually wanna hear about but we need to learn a little more about you to make that possible so go to pod survey dot com slash morning hyphen. Joe take a quick anonymous survey. That will help us get to know you better that way. We can bring on advertisers. you won't wanna skip. Once you've completed the quick survey you can enter for a chance to win a hundred dollar amazon gift card terms and conditions apply again. That's pod survey dot com slash morning hyphen. Joe thanks for your help. I can't imagine anyone voting against your status. In commission on the grits assault since the civil war the countenance monitoring categorized. I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you what's his drive guy. Great look at this occurring here swing serious political point. Yes you go there. You go there to do something and then people asked question. You're kind enough. Answer the question. They need to ice cream to drive. Good morning good swings. Welcome to morning. Joe. it is friday. May twenty eight is friday everybody with us. We have pulitzer prize. Winning columnist editor of the washington. Post and msnbc political analysts. Eugene robinson white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemaire is with us and the co founder of axios. Mike gallon for it. Wait for it. How you doing mike. Happy holiday friday happy holiday friday. I tell you what one thing the. It was not a happy thursday yesterday for a couple of pittsburgh pirates Jonathan lear. this this video has gone viral. It's something show actually any nine year old kid what to do to wells here you go. You just get all you step on the bag and then eggs over okay. Now for those. Who don't know baseball if you tag this guy. The innings over doesn't matter fat guy. Scores are not score. Doesn't count you just tag. The runner and he's out because that's the force play and yet jonathan like it seriously. This is bad. News bears break training. And go to pittsburgh. I don't think i've. I don't think i've ever seen i feel so bad for these kids on the pirates. I just i tell you i. I've been coaching jackson's. He was nine years old. And my coach. Bryan and i. We would have gone crazy. We're just screamed. Touched up bag touched up. It's like nothing i've ever seen. There were two out. This clip was everywhere. Yesterday it broke through not just among non baseball fans but non-sports hands. There is an hour. It seemed like my twitter feed was nothing but this video and the same joe i. I'm an assistant coach. My son's nine year old team. Let me tell you the huskies. They've got an out on this play and credit. The hobby vyas the base runner there for the cubs. It's creative bursts of inspired madness turnaround going backwards. Every instinct to i face he decides to go backwards and the pirate first baseman just had a brain lock and results in a run when he could prevent it by stepping on the base or tagging him and now we have a highlight or claim freeze. This right right yeah. Can you freeze his right here. Can we just freeze ball right there. So go back just a little bit. So here's the thing again if you don't know baseball here's the only thing you need to know. What baseball a can you bring it back a couple where holding you look at this so this is all you need to know the guy who is by the plate. He is the third out right. Here's what you call in baseball now. This guy right here. He's got the mall gene robinson if he chose to he could've just said hi. Do the guy going past home bait and he could have sat there and he could've asked buyers because he he was in the base path and buyers couldn't go anywhere he could smell the ball. It would have been one of the greatest moments in baseball. Resolving the ball he waves to the guy goes thanks for running. That runs can account. But i'm gonna talk about shakespeare. Hobby is hamlet is king and rare. Now there's so many to choose from like his sonnets and hobby would either at this. Sit there and listen to talk about. Shakespeare are just give me is over because the only thing that matters and he just stood there intact right there. I how. i don't know jean. please help me. I'm falling down on the floor. You need to put a cap over me to walk me off the stage. I think we do joke but You know considering or somebody said very much. That's exactly what it was. How do not step on me doing all right. It's been fine. This looks like this. Looks like when i was going to see the atlanta braves in the mid nineteen seventies with four thousand people there. I called it. The pat rockett arabic because pat rockett was shortstop. They couldn't even they're growing chicken weed and the infield. But this is about as i think what we should do is we. Should we should get a collection and we we know rich people like people that work at axios. I think we should just pass the cap around this morning. Everybody throw in a couple of dollars and we should by the pittsburgh pirates. Go over there. And maybe get a couple of little league coaches and teach them how to show in south american coach them. Okay everybody. let's get to the news okay. New poll shows nearly three fourths of republicans are ready to close the books on the january. Six interaction insurrections. A new quinnipiac poll shows seventy four percent of republicans. Say it's time to move on. That's compared to eighty say so. Let's see here. it's may twenty eight. This is what how many months four months five months after the insurrection. What what if. What if in i. I'm wondering gene robinson. What in january of two thousand and two democrats and you know what we need. You just move fast nine eleven. Yeah just past nothing to see here. It's it's it's incredible. It's just another another example of that that sort of fantasy world being fantasy world that the republican party is living in now and You know they don't want to think about that because that was a bad thing for them at thing to their guy who who incited the whole thing. I don trump it so So let's just pretend it never happened. It's just. It's it's astonishing honesty. Political parties have lost. Its mine to that extent. If the tables were turned that'd be telling the truth and also pointing out. We concerns around the world especially our national security a weakness from within that they could promulgate and grow. It's compared to eighty four percent of democrats fifty four percent of independence. Who say the events of that day. Never be forgotten. That seventy four percent was likely what was behind a marathon session. In the senate overnight as republicans stalled a crucial vote on the january six commission. Republicans were on the senate floor until just before three this morning debating. An unrelated bill to delay the vote. Now vote isn't expected until possibly later today. Sixty votes are needed for the independent january. Six commission to move forward so far only three republicans. Three have exp expressed their support. Senator lisa murkowski the only republican backing the january six commission bill as is and expressed. She expressed her disappointment in her colleagues attempts to block the vote. It's important that there be a a focus on on the facts and on the truth and that may be unsettling but we need to understand that. We can't pretend nothing. Bad happened for the people just got too excitable. Something bad happened and it's important to lay that out. I think there's more to be learned. I want to know more. And i'm i want to know i don't want to know i don't wanna know but i mean there's so much to find out and there's so much misinformation out there they some of the misinformation is easily. I dismissed where you have people saying on on the trump right that it was antiphon. Clearly not antifa and none other than kevin mccarthy screamed and swore it. Donald trump as as insurrection. What's going down saying this is not what you stupid. These are your people here. These are your people here so so that lie continues to spread of course throughout the trump right and otherwise it was. It was just really just sort of peaceful demonstrators. Nothing to see here. The ron johnson claim there was really nothing to be worried about well. Police officers were being beaten and brutalised within an inch of their lives. So you have that part of it too. i might gallon. When i don't really understand is unite both been around the hill long enough. We know that a lot of times leadership will say. Hey listen joe would like to have your vote here. This is a vote of conscience. So you do what you want to do. That happens a lot of times votes like this. And certainly mitch. Mcconnell said that during impeachment vote of conscience. You do what you feel like you need to do. They don't understand what is changed. Why's mitch mcconnell. Based on reporting all reporting. I've seen mitch mcconnell's telling republicans. I need your vote. I need your. What is it about this commission that he fears. Why is it that he's telling instead of just saying virtual conscience like he did on impeachment. Why see now doing everything. Short of demanding their support jones. A little tough to compete with ziprecruiter ziprecruiter baseball But if you look at this two things Going on here. And you know senator mcconnell. He's thinking about one thing he's thinking. How can i rebuild might majority. How am i going to recruit the candidates that i need to get back to senate majority Looking ahead to next cycles so something to most of the republicans at usurped served with and we've covered over the years. This would seem like a no brainer eve out again and again on the show why this commission is needed. But this this is one of the ones where they're whipping and pushing as opposed to vote your conscience and we have a little do reporting on possible fallout from this vote. So senator joe manchin. Everybody's trying to read his mind and he's been very strong and saying that republicans should be four this commission. We've talked to some democrats who think that this expected. Vote by republicans trying to kill this commission. That's a new wedge. The democrats can use with mansion to say to him. You're being schooled. You're being played by republicans. They are not voting arguing in good faith here. This commission is proof of it. And because of that you should soften your view on the filibuster move toward a senate where republican where democrats can get their way in a fifty fifty senate vice president harris breaking the tie instead of right now where you need ten republicans to get something real. Yeah and and he's gonna jump mansions going to be hearing a lot of that. But he really. He's been sherman ask and saying that he doesn't want to quote destroy the government by getting rid of the filibuster. I think that's being a little will look go at the time. He said that he's still holding out. Hope for some republican movement. And so if you get no movement past that graphic that you showed. That's where there's an opening to say to joe mansion. Look your fight green. You're going to get republicans on these big questions questions. Give it up. Let's pass of things that we believe in and need do for our voter. Yeah you know. Johnson the mirror. I heard i'm trying to remember who said this yesterday. I think it was senator bennett. Said nobody hates. Donald trump. More than mitch mcconnell. He's probably right there and so leads me. I mean you know obviously if you looked at what mitch. Mcconnell said on january the six if you saw it mitch. Mcconnell said about impeachment Do you feel like you need to do on impeachment after his vote on impeachment. It's very clear he doesn't like donald trump anything he's doing is not to protect donald trump. I'm just wondering again for those who were trying to figure out. Why is the republican leader in the senate doing this. I'm just wondering if the whole thing is let's get donald trump behind us. I don't want to spend the next year year and a half figuring out how much donald trump was laughing at the white house when he was seen pictures of cops being beaten up with an american flag. I don't want to be you know. Having to answer. Donald trump not calling the national guard and fast enough just republicans having to answer that question day in and day out as they move through twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two because it's would go into twenty twenty two of what the legislation says. Because you know that a lot of people being subpoenaed word fight those subpoenas right and as much as senator mcconnell may dislike donald trump. He likes more. The idea of being senate majority leader again. And that's what he's making a calculation here. He's trying to win you. This is best for the republicans in the senate this is the best move for his caucus. Because of exactly what you said. Joe that he doesn't want this to turn into a months-long potentially long odyssey with more revelations keeping january sixth in the news being more damaging we've learned we have seen this just from that date itself that every time we see a new piece of video every time we hear from a new witness including in test. We heard yesterday from the mother of the police officer. Who capitol police officer who was killed. There it is so heart wrenching. It is such a difficult day. Those are not headlines that are good for the republicans who had senators object to the election results and of course that violence was incited by the former president. So that's the calculation. Mcconnell has made to try to block this to try to move four. we know speaker pelosi. We've been discussing on the show for weeks. Now has other options. It could be a select committee could be the power subpoena but the republicans objections to this is what led to last night. When senator ron johnson. Who as you mentioned is the one who said he'd be far more worried if it was black lives matter. Protesters storming the capital as opposed to this pro trump ryan. He's the one who held up. The proceedings didn't get two votes on things like china in other measures including january six because he was trying to pull a stunt about the border wall so the republicans again. They're taking orders from mitch mcconnell but really it all exists under the shadow of donald trump. That's still what they're concerned about. Because the grip on the party as they protect donald trump as we look at these pictures. What what confounds me is. This event is an assault on our democracy. It hurts us around the world and it hurts us to our core given what these people did to our capital and the threat to our lawmakers and the people that were murdered that day and many of them tortured as you can see american flags now. These are the people that are being protected on capitol hill while the fbi is hauling them in and arresting them and i just wonder why smarter republicans perhaps some of the republicans that are trump book. Republicans that still may have a real republican bone in their body wouldn't want to get trump off their back by allowing this commission to go through because it would not just implicate donald trump many times over but these lawmakers who might have been involved in some way who may have given tours so people could do some sort of surveillance to say where they could go to try and hang mike pence or we don't happened. We don't know you want it. Wouldn't you want those people out of your party. Finally as i just mentioned family. Let me just say we're looking at this is it's so strange growing up a conservative and still being a conservative but not being a republican. You look at these module look at these people breaking the law. This is what we conservatives fought against and railed against since one thousand nine hundred sixty law and order or we railed against chaos. We railed against the breaking down of social order. We railed against the very things that you're seeing this picture and here you're seeing again. The seat of american government lavar constitutional republic this exceptional nation being being being bashed and battered about. And so again. I listen. I i don't understand. Why republicans in the senate aren't allowed to vote their conscience right and and why they can't get ten. It seems to me. Let me say this again because it's really important to underline. I think it's better that it's a bipartisan. Bicameral commission when you have republicans and democrats working together. That's better because if republicans vote against that then you will. You will have the house doing it. Just like republicans did with benghazi and democrats in the house. They have the power they have the subpoena power. They have the power to call witnesses and they they will have the mainstream media following those hearings every single day. it's not. It's not like voting against a bipartisan. Bi-cameral commission is going to create a news. Blackout it's only going again. I've said this before. If i was nancy because nancy pelosi i would have three republicans members and three democratic members on the commission and liz cheney adam anger and maybe one or two others that help forge the compromise still in the house would be the third that would be so extraordinarily powerful and that would be a bipartisan commission. Because of course you have somebody who's more conservative than any of these yahoos That are trump republicans and with kim. Zinger you have a guy direction and that also is a conservative who who served by definition. They're not republicans. There trump insurrectionists insurrectionist party parties republicans democrats trump insurrectionist as jonathan mentioned family members and colleagues have fallen officer. Brian sick nick were on capitol hill yesterday. Pleading with republican senators to support a commission to investigate the attack of the capital gladys sick neck. Mother of officers sick. Nick spoke with reporters about those meetings to hear which is not support. This commission can feel. And you with this. Why i'm here today. Usually stay in the background. And i couldn't i couldn't stay quiet anymore. Gop lawmakers to meet with. Did you call the slopping face or yes i did they put the gloves online he in the undermine sly may on this mission the country this was uphold the constitution. And right now. I don't think they're doing to grieving mother. I believe barbara comstock capitol hill and the deceased officers partner. Grieving doing what she believes. He has to do. Not only for this country but also for the memory of her son who served in uniform to protect this country. She's so plainspoken. it's so obvious. A loss is some end to protect and to protect the very men and women who are now abandoning him. It has to be heartbreaking for joining us now. Former chief of staff to the d triple c adrian elrod. She recently worked for the biden campaign and the inaugural committee adrian. It's good to have you back on the show. What can democrats do at this point to bring more republicans on board at least for this you know make. I don't honestly. I'm baffled by this. Spent ten years working on the hell back in time with democrats and republicans worked together when bipartisanship was the name of the game very constant and i think he made a really smart point earlier. Mega when you said this could actually be a chance for republicans to finally start to break free from donald trump was holding the republican party hostage who has continued to hold the republican party hostage by voting for this bill. I mean it's just it's hard to not think it's almost unthinkable to think about the fact that we cannot get. The senate cannot get a bipartisan. Bill passed when you show those images which by the way. I hope the media will continue day in and day out to show these images we can never forget what happened on january six to turn a blind eye to that and for mitch mcconnell to say oh i don't want to deal with how trump is gonna react to this bill if i pass it if my caucus supports it for the next year and a half i mean that's just you know he's a coward eat chicken it's accurate. These guys are not willing to stand up for law enforcement not willing to stand up for those who lost their line. I'm it's it's so emotional. Watch officer six mother and clearly a private citizen but felt the need to come forward and in the name of her son in his life you know. Fight for this This legislation passed. So i say this. I don't think. I don't know what democrats can do what i will say is. I think we're probably going to be looking at a select committee. I think that that you know that there is still plenty of things that democrats in the handful of republicans who may support. This can do to try to get to the bottom of what actually happened. But i think he might be able to get a select committee and sadly we're not going to be looking at a way for democrats and republicans to come together and make a statement that they stand against anything like this happening. What we saw happened on january six from ever happening again. No it really is another. I think is another low point in just how for the parties have gone apart and in this case it's the republicans who who can't even get ten people together. You know. sit down a good faith. You don't like how the staffing 's set up okay. Well let's sit down and have talks right. I mean that's how it's been done for over two hundred years. You sit down you talk to the other side you compromise. And i'm sure they'd compromise but again right now. Republicans who are being leaned on to vote against the bipartisan bicameral commission. That would get to the bottom of this. And let's let's listen to gladys again. Here's a grieving mom. I think it's important again. Listen to her pleading and talking about why. She's on capitol hill mississippi to certain into not support. What feel confronted. This is why i'm here today. Usually stay in the background. And i'm just couldn't i couldn't stay quiet anymore. Lawmakers to meet with them did you call it a sloppy face or they put the gloves on the line. What are you be in their minds. Lie may vote on this. The country disposed uphold the constitution. And right now. I don't think they're doing gene a slap in the face for her for her family memory of her dead son for the officers that were beaten with american flags officers whose heads were jammed into the doors. The officers who were were punched and kicked thrown on the floor begging for their lives. People like ron. Johnson said nothing happened that other saying that the trump supporters were cunanan and and then sitting representatives saying no. We don't want to know the truth because you know everybody. Everybody of the trump insurrectionist party. They have their own different lives. It was cute on kevin. Mccarthy are called that out his ally on day one there are said. Oh you know. It's a ron lie. Oh nothing really happened. It was just peaceful people just have always mainly them and strangers noth- nothing to see here belong. We belong now. No it was quite different and the american people know that. That's what i don't get the upside of this political play. I don't get the upside at it. I don't get the upside of it. Either joe but this is i. You know i been marks to rwanda. I've seen a lot of cynical things this is i. It's hard to beat this For sheer cynicism that that For clearly for nothing but raw political reasons and the desire to regain power the the is is refusing to investigate either the first time the capital was was sacked since eighteen fourteen right when the british attacked and burned the capital Nothing like this has has happened. Certainly nothing like this ever happened. from a domestic mob mob of of of americans And we we do need to know how this happened and who were responsible who Who was in contact with the leaders of of of this of this in the insurrection. We need to know all of this and we will find out but it will be probably a house. Select a year or something at the fact that republicans in the senate simply will not participate in this. Is it it to me. It just takes me in terms of of pure cynicism and and but that's where we are. I mean in my angeles. Somebody show you who they are. Believe them and so. I believe this is the republican party is and this is this is this and so we just have to deal with that act but we have to still ahead on morning joe. Russian hackers are added again launching another attack targeting us government agencies plus. How a piece of far-right russian propaganda made its way from pro kremlin networks to ted cruises twitter feed. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. Thirty-three past the hour we're following another reported russian cyberattacks the us government microsoft says the russian-backed group behind the solar winds hacked. Lack launched a new campaign targeting government agencies think tanks and non governmental organizations in a blog post yesterday. Microsoft vice president tom. Burt wrote the effort targeted about three thousand email accounts at more than one hundred and fifty different organizations and that while organizations in the us received the largest share of attacks targeted victims span at least twenty four countries. And now this. You might have heard of republican senator ted cruz sharing this now. Viral video last week that compared recruitment ads for russian and military the russian video. us military's the russian video. Showed muscular men doing shirtless pushups with guns and fighter jets while the us ad showed a girl talking about growing up with two moms and defending their freedom at an early age. Senator cruz tweeted. Perhaps a woke emasculated military is not the best idea but according to insider experts say that video is actually a far right russian propaganda it appears to have originated from an ally of russian president vladimir putin and then quickly made its way to four chan and other white. Supremacy supremacist forums. Joining us now is senior reporter at insider. Tom porter tom more. Can you tell us about this story. So i was curious to see this on ted cruz as twitter feed last week and i was a russian propaganda is opposed the cool narratives of the russian state. That rusher of the position of strength relative to the united states. And i wanted to go back and see if we could actually concretely link this video to pro-kremlin networks so i spoke to a brilliant guy apps they censor for the analysis with radical roy hearing uk Alexander ross an over the course of Full by a managed to trace evidence dating back to network of pro-kremlin fall rights commentators a news outlets in europe and From this network it it kind of spreads into. Us fall right through. Four chan is a tiktok. My doubts that you'll see the tiktok symbol in they royds of the cruise video and It leads telegram. It said by some Violent anti wes. What you premises forms on telegram and it makes the leap onto twitter. Weyrich said bye. Bye ted cruz a tom. It's jonathan lamar. Wanted to ask you this sort of a is about russia. The very little happens there without at least a nod and a wink from the kremlin itself from vladimir putin and giving them some deniability though. If it's not a say gee are you You'll run operation. What is your sense. What is your reporting telling you. About how much knowledge if any The kremlin may have had on this. Also just more broadly about some of these hacker russian russia based hack organizations. We've seen attack the us attack the west. How much of them are actually saying or are sanctioned officially or unofficially by the kremlin so with regards specifically so the cruise video. I made this is propaganda. Cemented by the russian state by russian state media. Could find anything kind of concretely linking it to the gre or any russian state actors but it comes out of the climates of propaganda. The the russia pushes and propagates. I mean it's it's very much part of this campaign with which goes back a long time now of of seeking to portray The us and the oakland society that the us has as in effect kind of Weakening the us. It's kind of cool. Narrative for the kremlin nece themselves as having this traditionalist society and with respect to the hacks i mean it's russia's campaign is conducted several levels yes the propaganda campaign which feeds into in some ways mainstream republican propaganda in the united states. And this also they a hacking and at my understanding is that there are some pretty clear linkages between the hacking and a russian intelligence Specifically the the alright insiders. Tom porter thank you very much. For your reporting we appreciate it and coming up. Pushback against the new law in florida targeting social media companies. Our next guest says it's all about pleasing the maga- crowd morning. Joe is coming right back. Forty past the hour earlier in the week. We told you about florida governor ron disentis signing into law a bill that fine social media platforms for banning. The accounts of people running for office disentis said the law takes on silicon valley elites that sensor conservative views joining us now state attorney for palm beach county. Dave ehrenberg dave. What's the law actually doing. And who doesn't really target morning. Mika this law is performance art. It's a show for the maga- audience in it so blatantly unconstitutional at harvard law. School may want to hit away to sanders says degree because he knows better he knows this is transparency and technology act is just purely political but he wants to inherit the maga- base or wrong president. Twenty twenty four. The court's going to strike this down but when they do he'll blame. Liberal activist judges even though most of them are probably appointed by republicans and at the same time he gets a bash silicon valley. So this is a two for for him. He can bass judges and silicon valley. It's like a right wing. Daily double what this is about is about forcing private social media companies to broadcast the speech of candidates regardless and untrue. That speech is in. The supreme court has made clear that the first amendment prevents government from forcing private companies to broadcast someone else's speech. It's also a violation of federal law. The communications decency act now social media companies do need to do better. They need to monitor that hate speech and all the threats online but this law would make it harder for them to do so because the prevents them from banning candidates who engage in race baiting and lies and hate Even banned sites doing those innocuous act did below donald trump's tweets before he was banned. If you really want to know how bogus this law is just see that. It exempts companies at large theme parks. Which shows that the this is actually just as scared as of mickey mouse is trump. You know it's amazing. How christ socialism. All the time. Keep an acting these socialist type laws. Or maybe there's this crony capitalism but either way it's unconstitutional. Well i it's big government Whatever you call it And my gallon. Obviously even though dave ehrenberg believes it's going to be ruled unconstitutional and many other people do as well. Big tech has as you all report just about. Every day is a target of both sides but especially the maga- crowd so even if it's overruled this is a big political win likely for rhonda santos's three he is. He's looking ahead to running for president himself for buzz about him being vice president. If president trump were to run again this just the fight is a win for him. He doesn't need the law. The court fight is a win for him and joe's i talked to budding senate candidates around the country. They're thinking about what they're going to be talking about in twenty twenty two untold. This is a very powerful issue that it's very resume on the stand. I think we're going to hear a lot of it in the campaign's coming up all right And joan just curious to santa's i guess in a way by doing this as another person. Banking on trump. Instead of getting him off their back. I mean they are sitting here waiting to see if he's going to run for president again. It just seems to me that there's such clear choices that they could make and then by the way once again returned to their republican roots. Why i don't think roger saddest wants donald trump to get off his back. I think he wants to stand donald trump shoulders. He goes he's thinking he's going to be the next republican nominee and dave ehrenberg gear. Florida politician. Talk is been rampant around all over the state of florida that rhonda satis that rick. Scott that you fill in the blank. One republican after another from the state of florida is planning on running for president but right now. It's too as clearly. Who is is if you look at these early early polls Is the favourite of a lot of republicans across the nation and these guys are on a collision course. Joe the sanderson scott not big fans of each other and so we'll see how that plays out. Also have marco rubio who may want to run for president so you could have three flurries but descent. This is the hot guy in the republican party right now. And he's done everything he can to try to inherit this maga- base. It's not just passing these unconstitutional laws. That prevent social media companies from banning right wing candidates regardless of what they say it's also purchasing a million doses of the drug hydroxychloroquine when the former president touted as a miracle cure for covid. So now the state of florida stuck with a million doses of a drug no hospital once. But i guess you know when. There's a malaria albig ready all right. No other states passed this. This kind of law their legislators have passed but other governors have vetoed it this social media law but not to santa sees waving the surrounding as something that he's proud of but in reality. He knows that it's unconstitutional. He's not stupid but he's looking at twenty twenty four and that's why he's hoping i think. Deep down trump does get indicted. Goes way because that's the only way he can run for. President next cycle done dumb country lawyer. More guy could only afford to go to state schools like alabama and florida. I so maybe. I'm just not as smart as those harvard. Boys are those yell. Boys disad us. You know there are all these populace there and all. These people do really stupid things. Legally that even i know unconstitutional they. They're all harvard voice. I don't see your harvard boy too. So i'm but i'm going to give you a pass because you don't you. Don't come on here and talk about unconstitutional things. But i gotta say i mean adrian ear from arkansas. I'm from st across the deep south. Isn't it rich. Like ted cruz. Josh hawley drawn. Disad is always harvard or yale or stanford or princeton their eating supper clubs or dinner clubs. Whatever those those elite kids call it these days and and playing this populist card really doing unbelievably stupid things. That are like unconstitutional. That make no sense. Talk about the irony this is. This is the future of american populism. I don't think so. Yeah this is like a reality. Tv show in real life. I mean again and to watch joe because these guys are so held hostage by trump or whatever decision he decides to make whether or not he's going to run again in. There's this long line of you know. Fifteen or twenty guys just waiting in the wings. Maybe a couple of women in there to just to see what he does. But i think the line is what maybe what these guys don't realize. Is you know not everyone is going to be able to get in there and just replicate what trump has done. I don't think that rhonda's sanchez would be able to hold onto the republican party. The way that trump was able to. At least you know i. I hope that somebody like donald. Trump is a once in a lifetime or once every two hundred years type of president. But yeah i mean look i. I'm an sec girl so Some of these ivy roll tide go hogs in some of these ivy leaguers. who are making. Somebody's really really ridiculous decisions. They're not governing there simply playing a base government by gesture time and time again state attorney for palm beach county. Dave ehrenberg. thank you. So much and mike allan thank you as well have a great weekend guys coming up. Senate democrats respond to the latest infrastructure counteroffer by the republicans. Plus the dc cicadas strike on capitol hill. Oh my god this so horrible. we're back in just a moment. Can nobody tell him what's happening.

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"Doc, cook, right? Lindsey Graham after posing tariffs for decades. Why do you suddenly support them from President Trump glisten president who's a financial genius and a business Jesus? In just trust him. This man has lost a hundred tubs more money than I've ever made. Dented complete one eighty on the president even after calling him a jackass during the campaign. Shortlisted I'm of convictions and principles unless they can help me. And then it's new Lindsey who. Good morning and welcome to morning, Joe. It is Monday may thirteenth with us. We have White House reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemaire. Former treasury official and morning Joe economic analyst Steve Rattner, former chief of staff to the d triple c and a former director of strategic communications for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign Adrian Elrod, she's an MSNBC contributor and MSNBC political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National Committee. Michael Steele is with us this morning. Good to have you all what do we get into lots of talk about? But let's jump right into the news to stop market is bracing for another bumpy ride today as us and Chinese negotiators appear far apart from resolving President Trump's trade war on Friday. The Trump administration raised tariff rates on two hundred billion dollars worth of Chinese goods to twenty five percent. And over the weekend. The president tweeted a number of times about the tariffs including saying, we are right where we want to be with China two hundred billion dollars and tariffs. Those are an additional two hundred billion dollars in taxes on working class and middle class Americans. Maybe they don't care, but that's a lot of money. Well, this is our we need journalists presents been lying nonstop saying that that China would pay for the tariffs just like Mexico would pay for the wall. Well, we found out that the president was lying Mexico's not paying for the wall. And what's so important for American taxpayers to know is that this is a two hundred billion dollar tax increase on them. Yeah. And Larry cudlow. The director of the National Economic Council was challenged on the issues of the truth by on Fox News on the president's claims about the impact of the tariffs. Take a listen. Or country can take one hundred twenty billion dollars a year and tariffs paid for mostly by China, by the way, not by a lot of people try steer it in a different directions. Really paid. Ultimately, it's paid for by largely by China. But Larry that doesn't true. It's not China that pays tariffs. It's the American importers the American companies that pay what ineffective a tax increase and oftentimes passes it onto US consumers fair enough. In fact, both sides will pay both sides, we'll pay and these things, and of course, it ends. But the tariff on goods coming into the country, the Chinese aren't paying no, but Chinese will suffer GDP losses and so forth with respect to a diminishing export market and goods that they need for their own. The president says China doesn't have China it pays the tariffs. They may suffer consequences, but it's US businesses in US consumers who pay correct, yes. To some extent. I don't disagree with that. Again, both sides. Both sides will suffer on this. Hank? Goldman Sachs also saying the cost of Trump's tariffs have fallen quote entirely on American businesses and households with a greater impact on consumer prices than expected and President Trump follows through on his promise to impose tariffs on all Chinese goods that could result in a four or six point here to the US point four GDP of cigarette. And I want to bring in here. Larry cudlow, actually when asked actually told the truth that truth. Donald Trump is not been telling me Merican people for very long time. And it is this that every dime that Donald Trump raises tariffs that is paid for by working class Americans. When they go to the grocery store working class and middle class Americans when they go to WalMart when they go to target whenever they go out and shop American farmers getting hammered by. This small business owner is getting hammered by this employers all across America hammered. And there you even have a Republican congressman saying that the president is lying. These are Trump taxes. And now he's just said he's raised taxes on American consumers two hundred billion dollars. Yeah. Joe that is certainly all correct. The fact is that nobody wins from a tariff war. We are going to suffer from this tariff war. We will have some charts. We might get to later that will show you how we actually moved from tariff war, and it's not even just the taxes that get paid which are now raised to twenty five percent on that two hundred billion dollars of Chinese exports to us. But it's also it raises prices on a lot of other goods because it creates a pricing umbrella for other businesses to raise their prices and charge. American consumers. More you end up with slower GDP you end up with jobs lost you end up with a lower stock market. And with Donald Trump is now doing is creating a textbook case, for communists, who for one hundred years have explained how trade helps a both sides of of the of the trade in the economy, so to speak, and he's showing how curtailing trade hurts the economy, and you can see it also in the stock market which. Again, it's going to open down today after a tough week last week in the stock market has Donald trumps favorite barometer. And even it does seem to think what Donald Trump is doing makes any economic sense. You know, Michael Steele. I'm so used by people that come up to me and say, oh, you know, it used to you know, you used to be a Republican I used to support your views. I said, well, my views have changed, right? I'm still for balanced budgets. You're not. I'm still for free trade your not I'm still against tariffs your four. I mean these. These these people themselves because they have adopted that they have doubted overnight. Actually, extraordinarily liberal views on massive federal spending, shutting down borders closed borders, which used to be that union bosses wanted borders closed to drive up wages, and and so all of this stuff. Michael that you, and I and Republicans and conservatives believed in our entire life, balanced, budgets, free trade. Yeah. Free. Ronald Reagan's belief of. A nation of immigrants. Donald Trump is completely trashed at and these mindless sycophants not just in congress. But so people come up to me, ROY or Republican. I mean, they all had like the brain transplants as and they're thinking like liberals, it's crazy. It's crazy. Well, you gotta get the way back if you want to go where Republicans used to stand on matters of immigration and trade like you said, but the bottom line Joe, and you put your finger on the pulse of it is these folks are rationalizing their own shift towards Donald Trump. They have to somehow justify where they stand now. And so they look at you look at me, and they look at many of us to go. Will you change? It was like, no, I'm still a free. Trader I believe in free markets. I still believe in the power of of an open society that embraces immigration as Republicans. Once did that believed in a simulation. And lower taxes and cutting debt and deficits so they have to rationalize that my friend. That's where we are. Right now. Everyone in this sycophantic world Trump has to rationalize being there. Otherwise, they can't justify. Yeah. I the question is really why do they rationalize it? Why do they work so hard because they also have to rationalize the racism of Charlottesville? They also. The racism of Donald Trump calling all Hispanics breeders, they also have to rationalize Donald Trump calling countries that are led by black people as as whole country. They have to rationalize racism left and right racially sensitive remarks. It's interesting though, Jonathan Lemaire Republicans on Capitol Hill. Yeah. Hardly ever hear him. Speaking out about racism, Donald Trump's racism, but there are a few. There are a few that will complain about tariffs. So it's okay. You go to Charlottesville, and you you you basically preach moral equivalence with Neo Nazis, and and the rest of us and most Republicans keep their mouth shut back. Some are actually trying to say, oh Charlottesville never happened. He didn't do that. But you're talking about tariffs, and at least one or two we'll remember what it was like when they were conservatives like me. Only a few there only a few of left. I'm like, I'm like one of those Japanese soldiers on an island out middle Pacific. It's fifty four. I think the war is still going on. I still think being conservative means being conservative. They don't. But tell me is there a growing sort of resentment of Donald Trump when it comes to tariffs. Are we going to see a full scale revolted some point when these conservatives finally remember who they are? I do admire your fighting spirit on that island. Joe? I will I would far rather be the only conservative on this island, then sit there and and destroyed the rule of law is might former conservative friends do every day. There are certainly very few moments where Republicans are willing to cross the president there some sometimes on foreign policy. Some of this stuff his coziness with Russia, very rarely racism. And now we are seeing a little bit on some of this tariff stuff the trade war, but I think it would be unrealistic to expect a full on revolt. There has been very little of that Republicans are still very wary of how president how popular the president is what their party polling eighty up to almost ninety percent. Among Republicans in certainly there's some grumbling there's some discontent. There'll be some messages pass to the White House. You'll see some tweets like the one you just showed. There doesn't seem to be a wide scale effort to try to change the president's mind. At least not yet. We have to see how this plays out. This is indeed blossoms into a full flown, a full-blown trade war. Endangers. What is the president's best argument for reelection, which is the economy, and that's what he thinks he can get away with this. The economy is doing great therefore this moment act tough to stand up to China. And certainly there are things with Chinese it. Most people agree intellectual property and so on theft needs to be addressed. But this this is going further than that. And there are people around him, including fellow Republicans who are nervous about this. Is this going to damage not just the president in the polls? But Republicans who are I in twenty twenty if the economy starts to slow down with the Chinese start to retaliate perhaps particularly targeting consumer American consumers who voted for the president last time around. Let's say mid western farmers who got in two thousand sixteen in need again in twenty twenty. If the politics of this change, you might see more Republicans want to stand up not because of principle, but because they're worried about reelection. Where of course, not. And I actually when I was talking about liberals, I really get it wrong on the border, obviously. The left has for the most part been a four four. Well, liberal immigration policies, actually, more liberal immigration policies in myself. But when it comes to free trade when it comes to immigration in General Ronald Reagan's final address, the American people is all about the power of immigration, and how it made us of more resilient more diverse nation, every Republican every conservative that I know in Washington they've turned their back on that. They've turned their back on the belief of a balanced budget. They've turned their back on the belief of restraint spending. And not only, you know, we blame politicians in Washington too often. But it happens actually with rank and file voters out there that are so desperate to support Donald Trump that they'll take the racism take the lies take the protectionism. They'll take the record deficits take the record debt. They'll take the record. Big government republicanism not a conservative left out there. But if there is I mean, high Pelly do and we'll see in a couple of years if there are. But I don't see it. I say. Used to think that their work. But things that I'm reading now online. I mean, they're all lining up blindly behind him, even some people that were never Trumpers before. And the dude this sort of anti anti Trumpism now, they're just defending the attorney general lying right in front of their. They're defending perjury. They're defending massive deficits, defending massive debts. Here's a fitting protectionism good one. I don't know why Donald Trump is worst. This to them. Are why it's worth it to all the people that that that we meet that are still Trump supporters, but lots of logic fella value. Good luck. There is the right? There's the laugh, and then there's this thing, and it's going to cause some Republicans whatever there is left of them to vote for a democrat and the next election, and by the way, by the way, that's what happened in two thousand eighteen by way, and as Nina. Yeah, very continue to support an attorney general who obstructs Justice who lies to congress who commits. Perjury. And actually, they're only helping Joe Biden or whoever wins the democratic nomination all the more. They'll take a look at this new post and Currier change research poll of likely, South Carolina. Democrat voters has Joe Biden at forty six percent that's up ten points from their whole in. February Senator Bernie Sanders is thirty one points behind at fifteen percent. And then Senator Kamala Harris and third at ten mayor Pete Buddha. Judge and Senator Elizabeth Warren are tied for fourth at eight. Cory Booker Beto Aurora dropped six points since the February poll to low single digits aerobic now Todd with Andrew Yang at two percent. So Adrian, this is you know, we always look at Iowa and New Hampshire, historically, they're incredibly important stakes. But I always feel like the real democratic primary starts. South Carolina event because that's where you have more black voters more Hispanic voters is far more diverse than the ninety eight percent, white Iowa. Or however, whatever those percentages are they're very high. So the South Carolina poll actually is going to be more. Reflective of what happens not only in South Carolina. But beyond and Joe Biden and his team at that Phil pretty darn good about those numbers. Yeah. You're exactly right. Joe? I mean, this police huge for Joe Biden widened his lead. And of course, you've got a field of eighteen candidates. I don't think the entire pool of candidates was was pulled for this this particular poll, but this is significant for Biden, and what it shows and demonstrates that. He does have a lot of support not only among white working class voters, but among American African Americans and what I what was particularly surprising to me also about this poll as where Cory Booker as this is a state that Cory Booker has to either win or finish in the top two or three or four in order to legitimize his. Campaign and go forward to Super Tuesday. The fact that he's pulling around four percent Sevilla surprising to me, you know, he's he's probably not going to do very well in the state like Iowa or New Hampshire, but South Carolina is a state that he has to do very well in. So Joe Biden's has got to be feeling really good today. It's early, but these polls do matter, and they do show that institutional baseline support that candidates need to go forward. Ran a lot of people. Love the talk about how these early polls don't matter, and it makes them feel special makes him feel like. Well, you all they're just we Don bid cetera. Love a horse, blah, blah. It's so tiring, and you're so wrong. But it makes him feel smart. And so I'm happy when I hear them say that the fact of the matter is when you have forty five people running for president one guy sitting at forty six percent, bundlers, your friends people who have been sitting on the sidelines because they don't know who to support or suddenly going. Maybe I can support Joe Biden. Maybe maybe he will have a good clean shot at Donald Trump talk about the mindset of what a poll like this and all these other polls due for bundlers, and people that help fund presidential campaigns. I from where we all sit clearly Biden's executing a strategy that was very delivered on his part, which is to get out of the gate strong to not make any mistakes and to try to get to exactly where this kind of poll shows him being which is the presumed front runner that kind of presume nominee almost if you will and thereby draw in the bundlers, and all the other people who are on the sidelines. You may have seen yesterday the Washington Post a really good story about how many of the Obama people are still on the sidelines. Unlike what happened after the Clinton campaign with Al Gore in two thousand a lot of people are still watching and waiting. I would say it is not yet quite happened in my world. There are literally events today in New York for mayor Pete. And for beta and many others coming and among my friends who do this. I think they're quite split. I don't know that many who've yet chosen to sign up for Biden, and their number of chose have basically followed kind of the Obama playbook of looking for a fresh new face other generation, and then the largest the largest percentage of them are still watching and waiting to see frankly, if the Biden phenomenon is real because it is still early is a meaningful poll, but Biden's, we all know Biden, Scott a lot to prove in terms of his ability to conduct an effective campaign. And so there's still a lot of watching and waiting going on in my world. We have a lot of twenty twenty days to get Tim mayor Pete's response to President Trump when he kinda came up with a name for him. It was so good. And we have Elizabeth Warren in the news as well. But we want to get to some of the other headlines, and then we'll dive back into politics, President, Trump has taken particular interest and this year's fourth of July celebration. In the nation's capital. The Washington Post reports the president has made changes to more than half a century tradition. Moving the fireworks display from it's usual spot on the National Mall to be closer to the Potomac river, and is planning a potential address to the nation from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial. Your lord. Aw, officials said is unclear how much the changes may cause. Actress Felicity Huffman is due back in court today expected to formally plead guilty for her role in the college admission scandal Huffman is one of more than a dozen parents who have agreed to plead guilty for participating in a network of wealthy parents who between them paid millions of dollars to get their children into precipitous colleges. The desperate housewives actress admitted to paying fifteen thousand dollars for a Proctor to correct her oldest daughter's SAT answers and agreed to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud during a court appearance last month Huffman could face between four to ten months behind bars a year of probation and a twenty thousand dollar. Becky have you heard? Yeah. Because I know your history closely. She doesn't want to admit that she did anything wrong and thinks it was a big misunderstanding. And that it was just what everybody did. And that she got caught up in something that she didn't understand it all to five hundred thousand five hundred tiles, get my kid over her child who kids and pictures of them in crew gear to look like they were rowers when they weren't. They were Instagram stars. At least one of them anyhow. You know, we we we people know this about us, but we watch probably one hundred fifty to two hundred NBA games a year. Big case out. Look at this paroling finish. But this had to be Mika said this was one of the best last ninety seen decisive game seven of the NBA Eastern Conference. Semi-final matchup between the Philadelphia seventy Sixers and the Toronto Raptors we'll pick it up with the game tied in the final seconds of regulation in Toronto. It's all students is. Now, you know to cool why Leonard thinks I winning buzzer beater in a game seven NBA history giving him game high forty one points on the night in the raptors and ninety two to ninety victory over Philadelphia to run to advances to the Eastern Conference against the Milwaukee Bucks starting Wednesday night in Milwaukee, John MIR so Migo last night sees this. Okay. She throws her big up. I did come down king on her meek code that. She always wears when she's watching NBA games. It's foaming core. But anyway, and then she turns. She goes I've got to say this is one of the most exciting final I've seen like since the sensory stole the ball from Isaiah Thomas. To play off game. I mean, what what an I I know you guys we're watching because there's not hardball on Sunday nights. But this this expectation Leonard, of course, one of the NBA's superstars who doesn't get perhaps the attention that some of his contemporaries do think that's at least four maybe five ounces on the rim that I count there. Capper to good series and setting up pretty good around here that. Just fun. That's religious Joe. I know you're you're sporty attention was focused across the Atlantic history. Was it not? That was yes, he was he was at the Red Sox. That was rough the Liverpool ended up. Get this Liverpool into second place. I will say we because if you have yelled as loud as I have since at least two thousand five for Liverpool. Fourteen thirteen fourteen years, you're allowed to say wait we've yet to win a Premier League championship going back to ninety two the league started up despite our storied history and yesterday came up one point short, despite the fact that Liverpool this year had the third best point total record in the history of Premier Li ever only ever are actually not premier -ly ever going back to the eighteen hundreds still finishing second place. But who knows we could we could still win when you're and Jonathan another sweep for the Red Sox. It was strange that the baseball season for the Red Sox started in may this year rather than. In early April. But we'll we'll take the winds. I know you saw a couple of the games feels like they finally got it on track. And I'm looking forward to talk last week about some of the worries about a clubhouse divide about the Red Sox going to the White House, so far all they've done is one since visiting the Oval Office. So we're looking forward to the tweet from the president taking credit. Wondering why he hasn't taken credit for the explosive run output and me at the very least we expect Mitch Moreland to be named acting director of -partment of homeland security after this toward weekend hitting well, you couldn't do anyhow. Hi, it's cater wanna keep up with MSNBC. While you're on the go subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented. Era of news, text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe. Good morning. Joe another beautiful day in New York City, spring has sprung and my goodness. It's gorgeous. So Minka Friday of much brighter day in New York City. The ascend summit pretty pretty extrordinary event over over ten hours. And boy, you had some power house speakers. They're absolutely great week for no, your value, and it continues, but we kicked off the inaugural. Ascend summit which looks looks into the question of getting women into leadership positions into C, suite on boards. There you see Valerie Jarrett, Arianna Huffington was there. Steph Corey from away. Katty Kay Clare Shiffman. It goes on. We really Beth Comstock, incredible panels incredible conversations there, you see and Giresse or can our friend. He is he was wonderful to join us and to take part in moderating panels, but. Succeeding and moving ahead America, actually, the United States has a four better record about getting women into corporate boards and a lot of our European allies. But what what do we what do we need to do? What do women need to do to actually get in leadership numbers are low at the top. They're very low. It's striking actually across the board. And we looked into these questions as to why some of it was self imposed and a lot of it was culture. We had an incredible top top leader at ascend who is actually mentored three when. Accenture who mentored three women leaders for essential Netherlands, and and brought them into the power positions. And he found that he really had to push them forward and get them to believe that they could be in leadership position. So some of it is self imposed the other part of it, though is culture, and we really worked on cracking that with some of the top leaders and Columbia Univer Columbia business school took part in this. They were one of the main organizers, and we've really looked into data and also culture issues, and it was a fascinating day, the cultural issues actually are more of a challenge for your generation MO lineal women that are coming into the workforce. Actually, don't have the same reservations as let's say women in their late thirties forties. Fifties they come in. And they expect to be successful. And for less willing to take. And that's how this is some other problems at the very start. And it's great you bring that up because we had an incredible rollout is well at the same time of my new book earn it which I co wrote with Daniel appear. Bravo of morning, Joe. And this is focused on young women in the first second and third jobs of their careers than how they know their value how they balanced their pay with their male counterparts while also being great starting off their careers. It's a lot of mixed messages, and we really kind of guide women through those first few jobs of their careers, and that book really ruled on. Well, Danielle did a great job bestselling on Amazon, and you can find out more about that book at know, your value dot com. Incredible role. Well, we've got more to come with that doing incredibly, well, and what a great story of an undocumented immigrant ally coming at dreamer becoming a bestselling author. She and she just she made her success extrordinary marriage. All of the information on it. No, you're valued at com or has tag know, your value now for more on this someone who knows that value. Very well, we New York done supporter. Michael Schmidt, actually, Michael, you know, what we won't have you talked about this right now. Instead, I read one of your articles just absolutely fascinating this weekend that Donald Trump had pressured Don Mcgann to come out immediately and say that he did not believe that the president has former employer obstructed Justice and began told him what he said no that he wasn't going to put out a statement saying this now what happened was in. The sort of larger point of all this is that the Justice department gave the president's lawyers a sneak peek at the mullahs report, they went in and read it, and they said man, there's a lot of obstruction here. There's nothing in here from Dom again that says that Mcgann never thought that any of this stuff was actually breaking the law. So before the report comes out, they go to mcgann's lawyer. And they say, hey, would you consider putting out this statement after the report came out? So this shows the advantage that the White House had coming into the end of the investigation where they're sort of lining up surrogate in this case, the president's former White House counsel, the star witness in the report to come out and help them push back on the accusations. Now Mcgann looked looked at the report and realized that it may look a little funny for him to say that he didn't think there was an -struction of Justice. I also saw the report that the president said some not very nice things about him. And he didn't go along with it. Did not go along with it. Tell us about Rudy's aborted trip to Ukraine, I guess, the Trump campaign decided that instead of waiting for foreign countries to come in and then presidential campaigns. They were going to beat them to it and start sending the present surrogates to Ukraine, but that plan actually had to be aborted. Tell us why. Yeah. As my colleague Ken Vogel reported over the weekend Giuliani had planned to go there. It's sort of a fact-finding mission to try and find out more about how the information damaging information about the Trump campaign came out how they can get more information pushing the government they're going forward into the twenty twenty election, then Giuliani, looking at the blowback from it cancels his trip, but it sort of brings back in raises all of these questions about why is it that the president's personal lawyer is seeking out help in an investigation and going forward in a campaign. To get a foreign government on their side. I mean, it seems like the same issues that we were looking at in the twenty sixteen campaign, and then the president at the end of last week saying interview with politico that he thought it was appropriate for him to bring up the issue of investigating the Clintons in connection with this. And that raising an entirely new set of issues about sort of the president's role in trying to get the Justice department to look at his political enemies in a sort of overlook section of the report and one that I don't think has gotten a ton of attention. The president tried on three occasions to get Jeff Sessions to investigate Hillary Clinton. And you know in the with everything they came out in the report and not something that a lot of folks picked up on. But the president was holding sessions job over his head and trying to get him to prosecute Clinton. Well, John the Mira obviously trying to do the same still with bar bar. Of course in dumb at the hearing because he didn't want to commit perjury. When it certainly would not be hard to believe that the Donald Trump didn't ask him the same thing. I want to talk about Rudy Giuliani, though. And you tell me what, you know, but your reporting year, but I I I wanna read CLYDE, hey, CLYDE Haberman tweet from Saturday. Great Jimmy breslin quote, Jimmy presents description of Giuliani, must always be kept in mind for his attorney true, quote, a small man in search of a balcony and that search a small older man now in desperate search for a balcony and making a fool of himself. And this is just the latest chapter. What happened right? Well, Michael is. Exactly, right. I mean, how problematic. Democrats felt this Giuliani. Tripton UK was going to beat. It was on two levels. It was backward-looking. Yes. To relitigate to reinvestigate the origins of the sort of the Muller probe and ties that Ukraine could have to Clinton but also going four looking at not just to twenty sixteen opponent, but potential twenty twenty opponents also this trip was also about Joe Biden and looking at the connections that Biden son may have had to Ukrainian oil and gas company a company that was run by a former oligarch there and roll by may have played even intervening because he was Ukraine was sort part of his portfolio when he was vice president and Democrats were actively saying that the Republicans were just rolling the playbook back again, the Trump campaign was this time extending their handed looking for help from a foreign government to come up with dingy information about a political opponent Juliani himself said that it was he said it was not illegal. But some I think it was improper that. He was going over there. He told the president that he was going in that the president recited about the prospect. At only after a day's worth or couple of days worth of blowback not just from Democrats. But from a few Republicans as well who felt that this was an inappropriate trip to Giuliani changes mind, and it happens. Suddenly, I spoke to the mayor former mayor Friday afternoon, and he was still a hell bent on going despite the criticism, but by Friday night, he told Fox News that he no longer was claiming that it was some sort of setup by the new president elect in the Ukraine that was looking to make him look bad and therefore make the president look bad himself. So he scuttled the trip. But I think we're now Democrats are certainly on high alert not just for Ukraine connection, but Giuliani and other Trump advisors who may be going overseas. Again, looking for information from foreign governments to help the American president. Can they migrate Schmidt? It really is. By Trump standards. Pretty stunning that again, they're trying to get foreign governments holding the presidency of her the heads of foreign governments and the power the United States over the heads of foreign governments have foreign governments actually do opposition research for Donald Trump and his reelection bid. And of course, all of this comes at the same time. Donald Trump is saying that John Kerry should go to jail for even talking to Iranian ze. Yeah. It's just a unusual use of the bully pulpit in terms of talking about prosecutions and talking about the way that the rule of law should be executed age. Just something that we haven't seen in previous presidents talking about who they think that the Justice department should look at and the president is right that legally he can raise the issue with bar. There's nothing legally wrong. With that. But that's to be the president's rationale for a lot of things at this point is legally he can do them. But in previous presidents, imagine if you know Barack Obama had come out and said that about his political enemy that they should take a look at them and the Justice department. I mean, obviously that would have been looked at very differently and Giuliani's case by saying it openly, it's you know, for some reason it's just sort of looked at differently. If we knew that one of the campaigns was secretly, sending folks to places around the world to get information, then there'd be calls for for criminal investigations in many ways. That's what the investigation of the twenty sixteen campaign looked at was Michael Cohen in Prague. And some of those things turned out not to be true. But the idea of them was enough to to give the Muller investigation, you know, so much interest from the public what was really going on there. And then here you had Giuliani last week telling one of my colleagues, Ken Vogel. Yeah. Heading over to the Ukraine looking for information. Believable. That's the thing all happens in plain sight with this administration. Michael schmidt. Thank you very much. New podcast youth, Rosenberg is based on a simple premise thoughtful conversations with interesting people like Jim Komi, Lisa, Monaco, and pre Perot are each of them took an oath as I did to support defend the constitution of the United States the oath with Chuck Rosenberg. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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"On my orders. The united states military has begun strikes against al-qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the taliban regime in afghanistan last year. We removed ten thousand. Us troops from afghanistan. another twenty. Three thousand will leave by the end of the summer after that reductions will continue at a steady pace with more and more of our troops coming home and as our coalition agreed by the end of two thousand and fourteen. The afghans will be fully responsible for the security of their country. My original instinct was to pull out but all my life. I've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind a desk. I'm now the fourth united states president to preside over american troop presence in afghanistan to republicans to democrats. I will not pass this responsibility. Onto a fifth president biden announces when you troops will come home from afghanistan. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is thursday april fifteenth. Along with joe willie and me. We have white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemaire member of the new york times editorial board mara gaye and washington anchor for bbc world. News america katty. Kay is with us this morning. A lot to get to this morning it was. We'll start though in minnesota where there was another night of protests following. The police involved shooting of dante right hundreds of people most of them peaceful gathered outside of the brooklyn center police department for a fourth night in a row authorities say some people in the crowd were shooting fireworks and throwing objects at law enforcement leading police to declare an unlawful assembly. Protesters were told to disperse several times and by ten thirty many had left authorities. Say some of the remaining. Protestors were arrested but the night was much calmer than what we saw earlier this week. Willie meanwhile the former police officer. Who fatally shot dante right has been charged with second degree manslaughter. Authorities say kim potter a twenty six year veteran of the brooklyn center police department was taken into custody around eleven thirty. Am yesterday sheriff's record show. She posted one hundred thousand dollars bail and was released from custody. Shortly after five thirty pm the second degree manslaughter charge carries a maximum penalty of ten years behind bars if she is convicted. Mika let's bring in civil rights attorney and former brooklyn new york prosecutor. Charles coleman this one charles lead love for you to just give me your gut on on the charges against him potter and also the events that led up to the shooting of dante. Right should they be looked at as closely as the actual shooting or morning adding that we start looking at the charges particularly with respect to the manslaughter charge that pot was pointed currently charged with which we have to basically surmises that the prosecution is already playing it safe what they are doing is they are eliminating the element of intent by making the top count basically. Hr's that requires negligence. Not charged revise intent so basically the statute has read suggests that in order for her to be convicted. They have to establish that she was negligent in duty. Which basically will come down to a question of reasonable Were reasonable As compared to whatever the standard of the law is in so the question if the indictments days what it is the charges state what they are. The question will remain wasn't reasonable for a twenty six year old veteran. A twenty six year veteran wonderpants course teaser for their service weather and i think that that is for the prosecution already playing very very safe in this dr charleston so interesting you said that because when when i get the news and of course we didn't say any of this on the air but you just assume okay somebody. There was a scuffle. Somebody mistook their weapons. My original thought was my gosh. This is terrible lack of training. This is somebody new on the police force. But the fact that this was a veteran someone who had been around twenty-six years even. If a it was a tragic accident there is certainly with a twenty six year veteran. A standard of care that you would expect for differently than a rookie cop in that same position. Wasn't that just that. I think you're absolutely spot on in terms of that assessment. But i would also say that quite frankly. We are having the wrong conversation about whether she should drawing her service weapon or whether she should have drawn taser at the end of the day. The question remains being a stepping back from the situation. A bit more is why was there. A need to induce any weapon. What escalate the level force being used for what amounted to a traffic. Stop for warrants. This was a misdemeanor warrant mr right. Had he should be here today in quite frankly. I'm not necessarily convinced that the situation warranted that course of action now. Reasonable minds may disagree on that point however. I think it's deeply problematic when you start looking systemically at what has happened in the state of minnesota regarding police force civilians in the use of force there so while i do appreciate the fact in also with you that twenty. Six years on the force should have invoked a greater sense of awareness in that situation on yet to be convinced. That was even needed in terms of apprehending. Mr rightfully this misdemeanor. One will an end of me talk about the chain of events a minute ago those chain of events that we look at you question. Why three police officers even approached a vehicle for an expired tag that fatal shooting of dante right of course began with a traffic stop for a minor infraction. Right was pulled over sunday while driving an suv. According to then chief. Tim gannon the brooklyn center. Police department was a traffic violation related to an expired registration tab for whatever understood from the public safety briefing. There was an expired registration on the vehicle that means the tabs were expired. Now according to the star tribune minnesota law forbids motors driving without current license tabs but also notes the deadly virus pandemic has not slowed policing of these low level offenses in recent months minnesota. Al minnesota law does not allow a grace period when the license tabs or expired. The brightly colored stickers are no longer valid ten days after the month listed on the registration plate. Gannon never said though when the tabs were labs to on rights car white white. What me bring this up. Because while the policing of such offenses has not slowed it does appear the process for getting those tabernacles have slowed down a minnesota department of vehicle. Services spokeswoman told the star tribune last summer that agency is behind on processing. Melvin tab and license plate renewals for thousands of minnesota like across the country because of the pandemic of the pandemic at the time she said many delayed requests were due in part because staff was telecommuting at did not have access to the mailed in documents. More there's a lot more we talk about the the thing that i'm just not been able to come to terms with and and say here all the time you know chauvin nine and a half minutes. He knew what he was doing. He saw man slowly die in front of him. We often see scuffles. We see police officers making terrible mistakes. People getting hurt or dying because of it and that will be tried in court. And i'll just say now. I suspect that a jury would probably have problems even charging this officer with negligent homicide. But let's step back. Why hold on and say. Here's a question. Sorry take me so long to get to it. Why did three officers in the middle of the derek chauvin trial ten miles away from where that trial was being held in an area that had a history of problems with race relations regarding policing. Why did three officers fill the need to go up to a car with an expired tab. I mean you talk about a lack of situational awareness. I it's remarkable to me that they so this is what we're gonna do this afternoon. We're gonna pull somebody off over with an expired top when we know that a lot of those tabs or expired because of covid you know the answer to your question. Joe is unfortunately across america. Police officers in those situations are often doing the job that the public has hired them to do. And i. I don't say that to be tongue in cheek. I mean that with all sincerity. I mean you have a couple things going on here. In some cases you have officers who are bad actors. Who need to be brought to justice. And then in other cases. I think this is the majority of cases across america and certainly here in new york that i've covered in light veers journalists. You have a situation where police officers are essentially set up along with The people have become into interaction with in many cases to have these bad interactions that too often end in the loss of life of black americans. Who should still be with us and so we really have to ask ourselves. What kinds of jobs do we want lease officers doing for example. Do we want police officers Being entrusted with a policing. I dunno homeless people for sitting on benches. We want them entrusted with a pulling out instead of tasers routine traffic stops. I mean if this had happened in europe Have but the the question we should be asking. Why are guns so readily available in the united states. Why are police departments so heavily militarized. It's not just the training right. It's the culture of the way that we use least departments and the history of how we have used police departments in this country which is heavily militarized and too often to police the bodies of those who are black brown and part of labor movement. And so. I think that really needs to be part of the conversation here. And i don't know what was in officer potter's heart but i do have a lot of empathy for the officers. Who are put in these situations as well at because ultimately sometimes they are set up to fail and that is no excuse. There should be personal accountability. But why are we putting all of this on individual officers. Only there needs to be a larger conversation. I believe about reform. That doesn't just focus on officer behavior but also focuses on the entire process by which we've empowered people out in some cases with very little training and in other cases with very little count ability to make life and death decisions before the judge and jury have weighed in and and willie In this case again you have to ask why The police chief why the department itself was having a situation where three police officers were approaching somebody on an expired on expired sticker on a car again in the middle of the show trial and this is the second time over the last week week and a half. We've seen two. Black men approached one of course in virginia. The lieutenant in virginia who was pulled over for no reason at all but they said oh. You didn't have a tag. no. I'm curious how they didn't see that that the window and he did yes he did. And so we saw that that tragedy. That humiliation of black man play out and it was just absolutely sickening. And i think it's sick and just most everybody that saw it certainly should have Everybody that so. I put then in this case here. We have a sticker. You know we. We absorb that we watch that two or three days later. Young man is killed because of an expired sticker on the back of his license plate. No one ever obviously should lose their life over expired tab in the back of the window we also heard from the chief of police that he had something. Dante right had something hanging from his rear view mirror had an air freshener hanging. They pointed to that as evidence of a reason that he had violated which apparently is a law in minnesota. You can't have an obstruction from your mirror. But my god we're talking about air fresheners and expired tabs and a father and a son is dead because of that come on now. that doesn't add up and we know for people of color in this country. We saw it in both cases. Lieutenant zero and dante right. They knew how high the stakes were. Lieutenant azzaro put up his hands and said i'm afraid right now and the officer said you should be dante right. Called his mother when he was getting pulled over about that. Why would a person call their mother because he knew how how high the stakes were and tragically. He was right over an expired tab. As you say. This is all tied into the derek chauvin trial. We had the second day of witness testimony for the defense and the show of murder trial. It was focused on the cause. Of george floyd death former maryland. Chief medical examiner. Dr david fowler argued floyd's death ruled undetermined rather than homicide because he says there were several conflicting factors there is the plex into the knee is towards the back in the back right side of his mr floyd's neck and the other way around the front it is nowhere close to his airway. We were talking about having an open airway. How does that affect your ability to speak the ability to speak or make any other south groaning mr for the so any of the sounds that mr floyd he's making requires you to be able to take over the vocal cords out over the vocal chords. The defense also focused on where derek chauvin held. George floyd the witness testifying there directly next to the car's exhaust and that carbon monoxide may have contributed to the death. Here's part of that testimony followed by some of the prosecution's cross examination. Did you pay attention to where mr floyd's head was positioned relevant to the squad car. Which way was his face. Nose mouth facing as was facing towards the vehicle towards the rear of the vehicle and directly towards the area where you would expect. The tailpipe will tailpipes of vehicle to me now. Just going right to the punchline of carbon monoxide that you talked about at some length. You haven't seen any data we're test results that showed missile. Floyd had a single injury from carbon monoxide. Is that true. That is correct because it was never since i landed wasn't asking whether it was true. So yes or no. Okay now did you see any air monitoring data that actually would give you any information as to wet amount of carbon monoxide if any would have been nisa floyd's breathing's all no because it was an autistic. He was a yes or no question. You haven't seen haven't i have not seen any date. Earlier in the day the defense requested the judge acquit derek chauvin. The prosecution failed to prove its case. The judge denied that request charles. So let's talk about what we're seeing here from the defense over these two days as they lay out their case obviously it was a very compelling two weeks for the prosecution they had their own medical experts who said that in fact george floyd died because of the knee on his neck from former officer. Chauvin what are we hearing now from the defense and how compelling you think it might be to the jury sure what we saw when the prosecution presented their case in chief was essentially three different faces. The prosecution began by setting the tone for the trial in a very emotional way that was going to grab the jury in in. Set the tone for the color of the feel and the emotions of what this was all about and that we saw the prosecution begins transition to what i believe is the most important part of the trial and that is focusing on the technical aspects with respect to the experts and the medical professionals who are responsible for determining george floyd closet deck which is a central element that the prosecution must prove in order to establish a conviction and then we saw the prosecution transitions hybrid third freeze where they sort of blended both the emotional with respect to a george voice brother in also still emphasizing some of the technical aspects. What we have seen from the defense is that on their first day. Their case in chief they began with essentially a cycle of witnesses that presented in the introduction to each of their defenses. Their central defenses are threefold number one That it was the crowd that may have distracted dirt chauvin and fellow officers during that day number two that there were additional clauses of debt and number three that derek shabas use of force was not actually a unreasonable and so because of that now we are seeing more and more technical tax. That will be so. That's what we saw all day. Yesterday it is important that viewers understand this the the the standard of what needs to be proven. The burden of Is beyond a reasonable doubt and so what the prosecution is concerned with as they are supposed to be. Is that the defense in terms of offering outside expert. Testimony is that they are going to create reasonable doubt. It's important that he was understand. It's not the quantity of evidence and the judge is going to instruct the jury. Asthma is as much as. It's not the quantity evidence that is presented. It is the quality they can choose to take in. Mr. docker fowler's a testimony if they so choose way evenly against all of the testimony from the medical experts that the prosecution could forward so what the defense is attempting to do is offer their own expert so that they can say on summation you've heard from experts mccutchen. You've heard from extra defense. It's up to you to make the decision because they wanted to create reasonable doubt so charles. I'm so glad you brought that up. Because i've i've had a growing sense of anxiety. And we read from eugene robinson's op. Ed in a minute. But i've had a growing sense of anxiety over the past several weeks watching coverage of this trial reading Opinion pieces about it. Listening to legal experts on new shows talking about it. And everybody say everything but this is a slam dunk. He's going to be convicted. The defense doesn't have the case and it's it's caused a concern. Because i don't think many people have the understanding and in that aren't attorneys of what you just said that regardless of the evidence a prosecutions cases precarious. Because it's beyond a reasonable doubt and they can just find one juror and get a hung jury and we think back to whether you know whatever the case is or that have shocked us in the past. I think americans need to hear exactly what you're saying right now. Is the burns extraordinarily high. And while i saw the video and millions of americans saw the video. And i think it's murder. And millions of americans thinks i'm not one of twelve and the jury and and again i very fearful that people understand what you just said they they have to see whether it's causation Whether whether it's something else whether it's drugs they just have to find one juror and put reasonable doubt in one juror is mind and you have a hung jury joe. You're exactly right. And they does the thing that gives me pause as an attorney in as a black man quite frankly because i know that we cannot take these things for granted we. We've seen video of heinous reduce horrific offenses that to the comment. I would absolutely seem like no brainer. We can go back to rodney king. We can look at water. Scott we can look at terrence crutcher. We can look over and over and over again. Different videos from different instant police on camera unarmed civilians. And we could see from common either that this seems to be a no brainer and yet instill it does not result in a conviction i think your point about one juror. Just one juror. Being the difference between conviction and hung jury is an important one it just it only takes one juror tat reasonable doubt to end up with a hung jury and i think that's what the defense is for with the presentation of these experts. Charles kullman thank you very very much for your insight this morning and we're gonna continue this conversation next hour reading from gene robinson space in the washington post after twenty years of us military involvement in afghanistan. President joe biden announced yesterday that it's quote time for american troops to come home as politico notes. The military spent more than a decade urging three different american presidents to stay in afghanistan with president. Joe biden's decision this week to withdraw all u s forces by september eleventh. They finally lost. The battle biden. Made the announcement from the treaty room. The same location. Where president george w bush announced a month after nine eleven. That strikes against al qaeda had begun. We went to afghanistan because of a horrific attack. That happened twenty years ago. That cannot explain why we should remain there in twenty twenty one rather than return toward the taliban we have to focus on the challenges that are in front of us. When i came to office. I inherited diplomatic agreement duly negotiated between the government and the united states and the taliban that all us forces would be out of afghanistan by may one twenty twenty one. Just three months after my inauguration. That's what we inherited that commitment is perhaps not what i would have negotiated myself. But it was an agreement made by the united states government and that means something so in keeping without agreement with our national interest the united states will began our final withdrawal began on may one of this year will not conduct a hasty rush to the exit. We'll do it we'll do it responsibly. Deliberately and safely after making the announcement. The president visited arlington national cemetery. Where more than twenty three hundred casualties of operation and during freedom are buried. joe symbolically showing. Why he feels. This must be done right well. Jonathan lear joe biden was a skeptic of our participation in afghanistan before he was sworn in as vice president famously having a confrontation in afghanistan with Then president karzai getting pushing away from the table throwing down his napkin and leaving because of corruption in that government he then was opposed to barack obama increasing the number of troops and afghanistan. So a lot of people not surprised by this decision. Here joe this was a long time coming as you just laid out now. President biden has been a longtime skeptical of americans presence their long running presence in afghanistan. He was overruled repeatedly while vice president but his position didn't change. He believed that as he laid out yesterday. That america's mission in that country was to eliminate a safe haven for terrorists that was of course the country where the timber eleventh attacks were launched from and as he said yesterday that had been accomplished he. Also this is for a president who has been so quick to overturn it overrule so much of what he inherited from his predecessor tossing out so much of president trump's policy decisions. He said yesterday that that treaty that the trump administration associated with the fans was legally. It was it was done correctly. America should oblige by honor it. He pushed back the timelines slightly of course and now the subotic exit on the twentieth anniversary of the those terror attacks but he felt like americans needed to keep their word here now of course there has been some criticism from the usual suspects among republicans. A few moderate democrats in the senate as well and certainly some in the military establishment. Who feel that. America's president should still be there and no question. There are real concerns as to what will fill that void will the taliban rollback human rights gains particularly for women in that country but biden laid out the sacrifice that american soldiers have have borne have really born the brunt for the last twenty years nato troops leaving as well and he underscored that with the visit. The cemetery and speaking personally about his own son beau biden a veteran and his service. So this of course will be a wait and see game. There'll be a lot of world leaders nervously watching what happens in afghanistan but this was something that was a long time coming for this president a long time coming for this president obviously donald trump wanted to remove troops from the beginning of his administration and pushed back against generals in the pentagon who pushed back against him. Willie obviously there is great. Risk that to to this move is well. We saw what happened when americans cheered including myself. this country's exit from iraq But that created a void and into that void isis Moved and then we had to send troops back over to clean that up and there is no question that the taliban will act as the taliban always acts towards civilians towards women towards young girls towards people. Who aren't islamic extremists. They will act abhorrent. Louis new york times reporting a few weeks ago that isis also gaining a foothold in afghanistan as well this certainly something that the president and those in his cabinet understood and a risk they were willing to take but there is no guarantee that we won't be back or some force won't be back in the future not for the same reason we had to go back in to iraq after we left and that's exactly the point. A lot of military leaders former military leaders like general david portray made yesterday. He was very vocal with his criticism of joe biden. Of course general portrays commanded forces in afghanistan for a long time and said the end. This war doesn't end just because we leave to your point we may have to go back and clean up what we leave behind and katty kay twenty five hundred. Nearly twenty five hundred americans have lost their lives over those twenty years about five hundred of our allies from the uk as well have lost their lives. This is not a celebratory moment. Just talking to veterans yesterday people who serve their. They're thinking about their friends. They lost their. They're thinking about the long term damage to their own lives and they worry frankly about what joe was talking about leaving. Yes they want to go home but they worry. That may have to go back. Yeah i mean the irony of us forces in afghanistan at the moment competitor rock because it actually the us forces are very welcomed by the afghan people. They realized that they depend on them to preserve some kind of quality of life. We had an interview on the bbc yesterday with a taliban leader in afghanistan and he was absolutely blunt about the fact that the taliban today is what the taliban was decades ago. He doesn't see that movement has changed. He said that they are just as rigorous. What they want is an islamic state and that they can continue to carry on campaigning for some kind of jihad in that area. Which doesn't bode well as you're suggesting for particularly for afghan women and i had a conversation with congressman adam kissing yesterday. Who of course served in iraq and he made exactly the point that joe made the the real concern is that this is not in. Us national security interests. There are two and a half thousand. Us forces at the moment in iraq. The last us troops have been killed in iraq in afghanistan was over a year ago. And those forces are protecting america's own national security interest. And if they pull out now he said he's his thought is that in a year. Us forces will be back in the region again just because of the rise not just of the taliban but of the islamic state as well. And you can't monitor that you can't do that with just a clandestine. Ncaa force and drones sent from the persian. Gulf is just not possible during now meek it is and this is something again this administration. The last administration consider this. You have soldiers marines that have served their vet that This warning of the washington post and other papers you hear their quotes about the guarantees that they made to the afghan people the guarantees that they made the women. The guarantees they made the young girls go to school. We will be here to protect you from the taliban to protect you from recriminating recriminations. It's the same thing. Obviously the same debate that we had when donald trump removed all of our troops that were working alongside the kurds to push back against asad to push back against iran to push back against putin to push back against turkey and in that void. They took out those twenty five hundred three thousand troops. Of course real concerns grew about what would happen in that regard. Think on this very show though. The debate has been on both sides of this issue. I mean if the president announced we'd be staying for five more years. There were many people on this set. Saying how long are we going to be there right. And how long to our men and women have to serve in this endless war Really quickly me good. Just underline your point. I think that's the overwhelming majority of you of most americans. I think will likely support this president's view because they'll say twenty long twenty years is enough lately. We've been in germany since nineteen forty five. But we have been in korea. And we've had troops in the dmz for seventy years a so. Then let's commit to forever like there's that dot the debate. This can go either way completely making sense on both sides. I want to bring in a different point of view joining us now. Democratic member of the foreign relations committee. Senator chris murphy of connecticut and laying into that read from your tweet. Every time i went to afghanistan. I met with a new general. Who told me the loss. General did it wrong and that this time was different. Is it time for perhaps a different take on the issue. And what do you think of the president's announcement. I think the president did the right thing. I think a decision to stay for another year would have effectively decision to stay forever. At some point you have to accept the facts on the ground. This is america's longest war in our two hundred and forty year history. It is not a cold conflict. It is different than our troop presence in germany or in south korea because there is an active fight happening inside afghanistan. And what you've seen over especially the last. Five years is the taliban advance Because our presence in that country ends up being recruitment fodder for the taliban and other extremist groups and it becomes a crutch for the afghan government. They don't really need to make the hard choices to be able to defend themselves or to be able to root out corruption so long as the american presence is there so i think the decision that president biden was making was not really a decision to stay another year another two years. It was a decision as to whether we were going to permanently have twenty five hundred five thousand troops in afghanistan. And of course. This is a choice you know. This is a a week in which the chinese are sabre-rattling around taiwan. The russians are amassing troops on the ukrainian border You know we don't have limitless resources. A and as you've mentioned on the show already this morning Al-qaeda has been degraded to the point where they have maybe two hundred fighters in the entire country. They don't have the ability to directly plant attacks against the united states It's time for our troops to come home and it's time for the military to be able to reorient against threats. That are much more serious to the united states into the international rule law. So so senator is there. Is there a time when the united states should have. General betray us was saying yesterday. A small narrowly focused sustainable presence in countries like afghanistan or when we were in syria to assist the kurds and pushing back against isis pushing back against putin pushing back against iran. Pushing back against asad. Well my worry. Is that when we have these small forces and these relatively small military commitments as we did for instance in syria four years. What we ended up doing often is just extending the conflict when we give just enough support for one side to keep the fight going but not enough to be decisive It just ends up in conflicts being elongated. And they're really not being the impetus for real settlement talks. And so i think that's been part of what has happened in afghanistan. Our presence there again has allowed for the afghan government to keep up the fight rather than to necessarily sit down and engage in the kind of difficult conversations internally that would provide them the legitimacy to govern that country. So i get a little bit nervous when i hear about these sort of discussions regarding small. Us troop deployments overseas. There's not a lot of evidence that they ended up being decisive. There's more evidence that they just ended up lengthening these conflicts. First of all. I all due respect i. I don't think that twenty five hundred four thousand troops lengthened assad civil war in syria. But doing that also as we saw in iraq does that not at times prevent a bad situation from becoming worse. Well we also have other capabilities today to be able to track the true terrorist threats against the united states. There are ways in which we can monitor and then with surgical precision go after the individuals who are in fact trying to plot against the united states majo- i would push back in a place like syria. I think what we did. There was essentially give just enough support these rebels who are fighting assad to keep up the fight but never enough support to them to actually beat. Assad assad was always going to win that conflict it was just a matter of when not if unless the united states was prepared to put one hundred thousand two hundred three hundred thousand troops there so again. That's why. I worry. And i know other people differ in i in that take but i do think we have. The ability with is our with surveillance. I and with more surgical counter-terrorism tools to be able to protect our interests in places like afghanistan into the future. Senator chris murphy. Thank you very much for coming on the show early this morning and we'll have more on the afghan troops decision when president biden's national security advisor. Jake sullivan joins our conversation. Plus the very latest on. Johnson and johnson's corona virus vaccine blood. A panel of experts is saying about the next steps for use of the single single-dose shots. You're watching morning. We'll be right back Focusing three and two matter that is white sox started carlos rodion tossing the first no hitter of his career. And last night's eight nothing win over. The cleveland indians the twenty eight year. Old lefty through one hundred fourteen pitches in that complete game. No hitter came to outs away from a perfect game. Losing his bid right here on a hit by hinge in the ninth inning. That was an to pitch. That just nicked the inside foot of the batter. Losing the perfect game there. that's brutal. He settles though for the second. No hitter of the major league season. So far five days after san diego's. Joe musk grove tops. The first no hitter in padres history rodion in disbelief performance last night. What's up man. Carlo can happen. Where's your mind right now. Carlos on a tow ball man. That was awesome team effort. I just i can't believe it. So the tow ball. Joe was pitchy through the just barely nick that foot of the indians hitter and cost him the perfect game. But it did get the no hitter. I'm sure you were distracted by the red sox winning their ninth in a row so that may be the first time you've seen that now i saw it and he wasn't a road on wasn't pleased that the indians about are made absolutely l. Get out of the way the ball. He just stood there the foot debt. Move and he's going down to first base he some do come on. I was a perfect game. You cut the just lifted your foot a little bit. But he did not know. Willie the red sox This is it's difficult for me. i. Of course i'm glad to see the red sox win but i at barnicle told me that the front office is banning Not only myself. But jack scarborough and joey scarborough from going back to this year because the red sox record this year when we're not watching the game live it's a thousand it's thousand percent which we go to the games they lose this purdue go made an. He's trying to attend anything here. This ended the first game. Yesterday i suddenly unforced seven inning doubleheader games because it worked out well for the red sox yesterday. That's an abomination by the way. That's another conversation. As i as i tweeted a couple of days ago. Why don't you just seen the luxembourg national anthem getting of every game and replace hotdogs with declares but devers is on fire. Jd's on fire purdue. Go not only saved the first game as bad helped. Win the second game and willie. It's only april so this this means about as much as you know my my report card one weekend in eighth grade. I always ended up in the low seventies and all classes so but really We've been surprised that you haven't jumped in jonathan mirror. And i have been continuing a tradition as old as time itself clubhouse we always have the red sox pre-game clubhouse it. We've been doing this since one thousand nine hundred forty-six really. We came with a couple of hungry kids from the war and started a lot of things we started morning. Joe and gloomier started this clubhouse tail barnacle luke el-amir and joey scarborough. We're inviting everybody to get They come in Because it's it's a good time. We'll mirror and you know. Forty eight million fans can't be wrong average if you look at armed forces radio about forty nine million listen to red sox clubhouse since nineteen forty pre game since nineteen forty eight every day i remember those shows back in the fifties when you'd have ted williams from korea and you could barely make out what he was saying but the crackling radio coming through on the houses were specialists. He'd give his analysis from far overseas. Jonathan linear you've been kind so far not jumping on the yankees early start publicly anyway. You've been brutal on text messages about corey kluber and some of the other pitchers but as a red sox fan. I know you guys are conditioned to expect. The worst has that changed that you've become the dominant dynasty the big money dynasty in baseball. Now we're going to lose. We're gonna lose. Jonathan vilma ball. Ashraf let him speak. Willie the nine game. Winning streak is soon to be followed by nineteen game losing streak Joe yeah aren't we. This is a middle of april. This is a pleasant surprise. Considering how dreadful. The red sox started under the watchful eyes of the scarborough. Boys at fenway park. I will i will note and clubhouse look we've seen some highs and lows since one thousand nine hundred forty six with america's longest running pre-game show Willie we'd love to have you on board you can discuss Just what might be ailing the new york yankees right now. I believe or residing in the cellar of the american league east so that don't do that. Jonathan it always jumps back very cocky on tax day april fifteenth. There's a long road ahead. Jonathan it is april fifteenth. Let let me see here. So what time game today. jonathan afternoon game in minnesota again. Okay one o'clock that means the clubhouse chat starts at twelve. Forty is the red sox and this is the time where we're going to talk about john. Okay moving on because we're going to do the news now only now. We'll get to that later. The kids in the business call consequence. Geez no this is a consequence The advisory committee for the centers for disease control decided yesterday to maintain the pause of the johnson and johnson vaccine while it continues to evaluate the situation the panel decided it needed more time to assess the data and risks and will not vote on recommendation until it meets again within the next ten days. Change as chief scientific officer said in part quote we continue to believe in the positive benefit risk profile of our vaccine. We value the consideration of the advisory committee and we will continue to collaborate with medical experts in global health authorities as we work toward continuing vaccinations to end the global pandemic. so samora. What impact does this have on communities not just across the united states the world regardless of the numbers even if the fda decides that the risk benefit suggests that we continue giving the change. A vaccine wh-. What did these stories. Due to. Those who are already hasn't take vaccines. It's a really difficult moment. And it's a precarious moment for for the world. In terms of our fight against the coronavirus. The reality is that the cdc is actually acting within the normal protocols of what you do when a new vaccine comes out in terms of being of the quickly maneuver and be nimble on their feet to test out the safety profile new vaccine so the larger context here is that you can ask the question the opposite way which is a if they wouldn't if they weren't following that protocol and americans or people around the world came to find out that despite some as safety concerns that that the cdc did not actually vet those and take a pause for a week or so at just to kind of knocked the tires on that. What would that do to undermine trust in this vaccine. So there's no easy answer here. But i actually tend to believe that despite this is very frustrating. It's not something that we wanted to happen for. Shore johnson and johnson's is very confident that this vaccine will eventually be clear the cdc. But but i actually think this was the right decision and that hopefully they can move very swiftly and then Be very clear with the public about the confidence that they have in this vaccine from the cdc's perspective the difficult thing is that. Even though johnson johnson only represents that vaccine is about five percents of the national stockpile at this point. because it's one shot it's meant to go specifically to population but already may not have trust in the vaccine or access to the vaccine same level because it's much easier to convince somebody to take one shot than two so all of this is that we're going to even have to double down on our efforts to convince and people around the world that Taking these vaccines is worth it but listen people deserve access to as much information as the. Cdc has about the safety profile so people deserve a right to know. Now every aspect of this is difficult. These new western world war about the safety of certain corona virus vaccines are jeopardising vaccination campaigns in countries that cannot afford to be picky about shots available to them as cases continue to rise and variants spread globally. The race to vaccinate faces multiple roadblocks especially in africa the new york times reports that in malawi people are asking doctors how to flush the astrazeneca vaccine from their bodies. In south africa health officials have stopped. Giving the johnson and johnson shot two months after dropping. The astra zeneca vaccine and in the democratic republic of congo. One point seven million astrazeneca. Joseph doses have gone unused the decision in the us to pause johnson and johnson vaccine and the us announcement that it would not purchase anymore astrazeneca or johnson and johnson. Vaccines is increasing. Hesitancy as the times notes if the perception takes hold. That rich countries are dumping second-rate shots on poor nations. Those suspicions could harden slowing the worldwide. Rollout of desperately needed doses. And here's the big problem. The world needs to solve this problem. Katty kay not. Just the united states of america or the uk. I mean the one country can't stand alone in beating this virus it's global pandemic and it does to be approached from a global perspective. Yeah i mean if we don't get everybody in the world vaccinated effectively we have to seal ourselves off from the rest of the world. Just doesn't work right. If we have any sense of travel or trade or movement or business travel we have to make sure that other countries vaccinated not just on moral grounds but also on economic grounds. There actually wasn't very much vaccine. Hesitancy as i understood from our correspondents in africa prior to the problems that we saw with astra zeneca now with johnson and johnson. But when you have news late yesterday where a whole country denmark bands the as zeneca vaccine from its government roll out. That of cool sends a message. People hearing that in tanzania in congo in south africa and understandably thinking to themselves hold on a second that rich country denmark has just decided. It's not even going to distribute this vaccine ever. Wow it must be really unsafe. Why would i want to take it. They're going to send it to me. A rich white countries going to send it to africa. And it's going to cause me problems and vaccine hesitancy in africa's spiked enormously since the beginning of the astrazeneca problems. I think mars right. The only thing that authorities can do is be transparent. It would have been catastrophic if we had heard the news in the headlines that somebody had died because of a blood clot related to the johnson and johnson vaccine on the government at some time. How covered up that really would have increased conspiracy theories around vaccine so regrettable low. It is that there is this pause and it may be that it doesn't help. We still have the vaccine hesitancy anyway. In these emerging economies you've got to have transparency from the authorities to feel that we can trust authorities on this absolutely joining us now morning. Joe chief medical correspondent dr dave campbell. Dr dave what do you make of this pause. There were major health experts in the government and outside of the government. That are supportive of it but also clearly you know have the same concerns that this is going to lead to bigger problems. Is there a line of thinking about the johnson and johnson vaccine that this decision is important that it is pause for much longer now making the this is not a decision that was made in a vacuum and i think that has been important in my reporting it turns out the new england journal just published two reports about the astrazeneca vaccine having a similar problems. That we've been talking about already today. So now we know on the worldwide stage that to vaccines out of the plethora that have been or are under development. Had problems with blood clots. And that's the astrazeneca and now we see that's the j. j. so the reports came out literally just this week in the new england journal about china included germany and norway where some of these similar problems that we're seeing with jane eyre happening and those two vaccinations are rather similar platforms. They're different importantly different than the moderna and the fires were vaccines so if we go back to a year ago when we remember that the governments of the world and particularly the united states were supporting lots of different companies in lots of different vaccine platforms. Now we see it shaking out a little bit and some are having some issues maybe related. Maybe not that's the question that are trying to be answered by the cdc and the fda and scientists across the world. but we also know that. Madonna and pfizer have already come out saying that they are going to continue to up their production to try to meet these needs. It's it's a complicated problem across the world. The world's between a rock and a hard place but what happened this week. With j. and j. should not be viewed as in a vacuum because we saw something like this coming with the astrazeneca vaccine so we are going to stand by and wait for this advisory committee on immunization immunization practices to look at more data right. Have more time and to study this because it is indeed important that as many people as possible across the world get vaccination so so so doug today. I'm just curious about the rate of incidences here. Obviously i give example of me taking anti inflammatory extra and there were quite a few incidences back in two thousand around that time and they took it off the market. This happens from time to time. I'm wondering if we're actually applying even stricter standard to these vaccines when you look at the level of incidences compared to the number of people that are actually using the j. and j. product goes back to this risk benefit issue. And remember when you get a vaccine. You're generally a healthy person being given something to prevent a disease so the risk benefit analysis as in all medicine is a little different if you're trying to prevent something and someone healthy versus treat somebody that already has disease so well while there is some consistency to what you're saying. Vaccines are are held to a higher standard. In general and looking at the number of complications that may be associated with the astra zeneca. It was a handful and germany and norway norway and that we see six maybe seven people in the united states with the james j vaccine platform having had these really critical blood clots. So it's an important ethical question but it's an important public health questions. Well joe all right. Dr dave campbell. Thank you as always for coming on this morning.

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Morning Joe 1/27/21

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Morning Joe 1/27/21

"Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is wednesday january twenty seventh. Along with joe william me we have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemaire and the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network. Reverend al sharpton joins us this morning. Let's dive right in. The senate yesterday signaled the effort to convict donald trump in his second impeachment. Likely they'll come up short only five. Senate republicans voted to forward with the trial joining all democrats in voting down. Senator rand paul's measured to dismiss the case because trump is no longer in office. If trump is to be convicted for inciting an insurrection. Seventeen senate republicans would need to join all fifty democrats. The only republicans voting to continue with the trial were senator susan collins. Lisa murkowski mitt romney. Then sas and pat toomey. Senator rob portman vote. Declaring the trial. Unconstitutional was in favor of debating. The issue and was not a sign of whether he'd vote to acquit. Okay thanks another possible but no here are the arguments that we're hearing from some of trump's main after really. Yeah let's let them be seen for history to judge them. Take a look now. My god if the accused is no longer president whereas the constitutional power to impeach him. Private citizens don't get impeached. Impeachment is for removal from office. It trial reformer precedent is simply vindictive. It will divide the question when we vote on. This in. A couple of hours for every center should be. Is it wise. Is it the right thing to do. I think from that standpoint the choices very clear it will not heal. It will not unite. Let's put an end to this now and this is not driven by the needs of the country. This is not driven by trying to help out the people who are hurting back home. This is driven really by the partisan rage. In the partisan anger the democrats feel they hate donald j trump. And they're engaging in on an act that i think is petty. I think it is retribution. I think it has been dictated. And i think it's a waste of time. It's always been unconstitutional in my view. And it was. Ill conceived the president. The united states was impeached in fifty hours without one witness being called and it didn't have a lawyer so one of the reasons we need to make sure this thing never goes anywhere is because i don't want to legitimize. The impeachment process used in the house. I think is a danger to democracy in the presidency itself. I understand what you're saying about the timeline here. Now you're dealing with the former president but that the da had said the exact same thing and triggered a riot that the that happened on january. Six let's say on june six. Do think that impeachment proceedings against him would have been warranted on the basis of these facts. That's why you would have to have trial at that point. But here's why that trial would be different than what's happening now. Austin's language now languages incendiary up. I think that there's no doubt that the president bear some responsibility for what happened. I think what happened was a foreseeable consequence. Not just of what he said but all the events leading up to it as helpful at the end there but overall joe why are they still scared of him. Well i mean let me start my favorite. Because i mean the thing i've known him with ron. Johnson aren't sure thing. I've noticed over the past couple of weeks and i i. I'm concerned for young conservatives out there that actually See all of this and just are learning that the people that they're watching on tv who are claiming to be conservatives. They're just snowflakes. They're just wimps i mean. They really just absolutely i. There are other words. I'd like to use forum. But all they do is wine and say i'm being victimized oh private company is deciding not to give me their platform such victim and it just goes on and on with lindsay. You have lenzi on done with his own. I'm done. I'm done with this. I'm never. I'm out that train A couple people really. Jc matt airport all right into drinking and suddenly ms perez. Can i find your plane. And then lindsay's going around saying this is constituted. This is this. And you did. Mention ron johnson. Ron john keep lenders away from that man. But ron johnson willie says it will divide. It will the riott like the rioting divide. It's absolutely unbelievable that these people are now hiding trembling. Quaking what they consider to be a procedural rock like marco marco actually. Yeah i wanna give it away there. Yeah of question. Of course yes. He helped inspire the mob. Kevin mccarthy had said the same before he got scared saying yes yes he helped inspire the mob there. They are admitting to the substance of the matter so they tremble and shake from these people. Were watching on television right now. That are back in their districts tremble and quake and are desperate now don hide behind a procedural rock so hopefully nobody can see them by their but listen. the guy was already impeached. And you you would other than a couple of hacks who want to be on cable news. You would be hard pressed to find legitimate constitutional scholars that would say that the united states senate can't try articles of impeachment that passed in the house while donald trump was still present the united states. It just it is sad fetig week. These these so-called conservatives are so so there's such snowflakes it's really it's it's it's really depressing if you if you look at everything that's happened over the past couple of weeks and how the conservative movement is just absolutely swivel that yeah and that was just the beginning of what we showed there. There were forty five. Republicans out of fifty who voted in support of this objection from rand. Paul forty five only five. Republicans voted against mitt romney. Susan collins lisa murkowski ben sasse and pat toomey. Those are the five people who held out. They voted against the measure declaring this impeachment. Trial unconstitutional forty five and joe. The one thing that that group of men that saw in those clips were victims of was an attack three weeks ago on them an attack on the place where they worked with trump supporters incited by the president that day in the weeks leading up to it charged in the police officer and went looking for them when looking for the leadership of the country chanting hang mike pence. They're talking about this like president. Trump was impeached on some technicality. On some arguable point. No they were the victims of an attack and now three weeks later as we sit here today there on tv almost in complete solidarity with five holdout saying that this cannot move forward. This is unconstitutional. That you can't impeach a private citizen. We should remind them that he was impeached. When he was president of the united states he's already been impeached. Watched those clips. And you feel like you're living in a parallel universe where they were not inside that building. When it was attacked weeks ago today and rand. Paul i mean he's been lying through his teeth he still. He's still spreading the lie about the elections. You still lying through so my question is actually. Why do you even let rand. Paul on your television show again. Not a violation of first amendment rights. Give you or just an outline liar. We're not going to let you come on our show. And he's he's proven himself to be a liar time and time again so rand. Paul like who cares what rand paul thinks. The guy is still lying to the people of kentucky guy is still lying to the american people. The guy he's still making an argument that black votes don't count that they don't count in in Atlanta count in detroit. They don't count milwaukee because that's exactly the lie that he is still both still spreading that lie after the majority of republicans majority of republicans at least confessed to that. But yeah i mean and and again i mean what. We're going down the list. The seditionists list. Why do you interview ted cruz. A guy who ran the sedition who led the sedition. Unless you wanna ask. Hawley inspired the sedition against the united states of america. And and like you said if seditious too big of a word for people to figure out and if these republicans have you right willie they forget about what everybody's saying on television. Why don't they just tell us what happened when they were being pursued by the mob that everybody but ted cruz was on their hit list because they said ted wants us to do this and of course he did because he was inspiring. This edition along with josh hawley. But you're right like at one point with this guard they were. They were literally seconds away from finding members of the united states. Senate and if you take timothy hunting them down and killing them and it's the situation is so fraught willie that they actually have a fellow member of congress in the house that has been talking about killing members of congress over the past several years and her social media feeds liking. Likes talking about the execution of senators. This is no longer big something that they can play over twitter or cable news night. This is a reality and not only did that cop. I'm not only did another cop kit bludgeoned by donald trump supporter with an american flag. And we have video evidence now to prove that they were inspired by trump's own words to go up and use american flags almost bludgeoned the police officer to death. These are people that were almost killed and they have someone in their midst who can walk onto the senate floor who has been praising those talking about the assassination of other members of congress. Yeah let's explain that a little bit republican congresswoman marjorie taylor green of georgia who's made headlines promoting cunanan conspiracy. Theories is facing new scrutiny over a series of facebook posts where she repeatedly as joe said endorse violence against democratic leader reviewed hundreds of her facebook posts and comments from two thousand eighteen in two thousand nineteen before she was elected to congress that review found green frequently posted. Far right extremists. And debunk conspiracy theories to her page in one post from january two thousand nineteen green light to comment that said quote. A bullet to the head would be quicker to remove speaker. Nancy pelosi in another post from april. Two thousand eighteen a comment or ask now. Do we get to hang them. Referring to former president barack obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton in response green wrote stage is being set. Players are being put in place. We must be patient. This must be done perfectly or liberal judges with let them off on twitter. Green called the cnn report. A hit piece focus on her time before running for political office but did not dispute the authenticity of the posts. That were reported. She went on to say many posts have been liked many posted and shared some did not represent my views. Especially the ones that cnn is about to spread across the internet congresswoman. Greens office did not respond to questions from the washington. Post why the postseason likes remained on her page if she did not agree with them. A spokesman for house minority leader kevin mccarthy tells axios mccarthy is aware of the comments and we'll have a conversation with green about them so joe we knew woman was we knew who she is before she was elected into the office. Voters in her district voted her in any way. We didn't know about these specific posts including liking one. That talked about a bullet to the head of the speaker of the house. She ran an ad. She ran an ad when she was running for office holding an ar fifteen and having pictures of members of congress who of course were women of color. Boy that's a shock where she said she was going after him. I don't know if she used the exact. We're targeting them. Go on offense you down while. I'm talking picture dan. Can you take her picture down while i'm talking. Thank you but this is we. Don't bring this up to bring her out. Because i don't want to bring up people in you know that her back pinchers we bring it up to tell those loggerheads in the united states. Senate that think that this is just another trump fight that you have people in your midst that have called for the assassination of members of congress. You have people in your midst that actually may have been involved in helping locate you while you were hiding. You have people in your midst that actually may have been involved in all these. They certainly were cheering. It on so so willy visit. We're we're not talking about a debate over the import export bank. Here all right. We're not talking about a debate. Over the organization of the united states senate the procedures behind that a terrifically. Boring debate a normal debate. The sort of debates washington us have. We're now talking about a movement and the president that inspired people to come to capitol hill to try to kill their words not mine the vice president of the united states and the speaker of the house and guess what mike pence is now an indiana because of donald trump trying to lay low because there are people. Now who have mike pence on their head list because of donald trump. Not because of don lemon not because of rachel maddow. Not because of jake tapper. Not because of the new york times editorial page not because of the washington post and good luck mardi bear. Mike pence is in fear for his life because of donald j trump. And willie when when vegas on the house floor and pretend like this is nineteen ninety nine or two thousand eight or they are doing themselves are doing their party. They are doing. America a grave disservice. Cause this sort of terrorism has to be stamped out listen. I'm a conservative. Lot of people like my views after nine eleven. I don't really care. I sort of agreed with dick. Cheney with the one percent solution your job if you're a leaders to stop and other attack against this country right guess what. I'm bad same guy in twenty twenty you come after us you come after our capital. We're going to come after you. And we sure as hell not going to let you inside our capital. We sure as hell are not going to tell everybody. Let's just pretend to go away. What what ted cruz. Turn the set after nine eleven. Let's not let's just pretend there's going to go away and just forget about it. You know nine eleven like would ranjan sick. let's just forget about it. yeah they attacked the pentagon. Yeah they let's just forget about it. That's what lindsay wants to. He wants us to forget. About the fact that people were bludgeoned in the head an american flag because of donald trump. He wants us to forget that a cop was beaten to death and the reason why the cop killer beat the cop to death was because they were inspired by donald trump to do so. Ted cruz wants is to forget. Because he led the sedition. Along with josh hawley and ted throws. forget for. Get your out of your mind in your mouth a conservative. that's how conservatives do not talk. We don't forget if you attack our country we go after you we you. We throw away the k. E. you come after our capital. And you think one. It's simply vindictive. The justice for the winner of the insurrection. Marco you hide behind to procedural safeguards is we go after but you know now find a constitutional lawyer that supports justice and quote that judge that justice. This is what the republicans in the senate one edu different is. What rand paul wants you to forget. This is what ted cruz wants you to forget. This is what ron johnson wants you to forget. And i say never never forget just like i said after nine eleven. Never forget that. The islamic terrorists came to our country and attack us. And you know what i said. We needed to call them islam. Terrorists you know why because they were islamic terrorists. You know these people are these are trop. Terrorists tall them by their name. Reverend al how can i get a witness. You'd certainly have a witness. I think you hit it right on the head. Joe the fact that it i mean. It's almost makes you speechless. To see senator johnson say they just being vindictive and we should close every courthouse in america today. Saying of crime is just being vindictive. we're talking about. We're talking about accountability. We're talking about people paying for their deeds. These people went to the capitol building of our nation and threatened to an attempted to kill people to run the government. That is not about being been big vindictive. That's about holding people accountable for trying to destroy an election and killed those. That had the tonight to decide. They're going to uphold democracy and to see them. Stan on the senate floor and to see them sat in that building which was the scene of crime and act like there was something unconstitutional something. That was even inappropriate about holding. The insider of this crime accountable was an insult to the american public. Jonathan lear rand. Paul said yesterday hyper partisan democrats about to drag our great country down into the gutter of rancor vitriol. He's concerned this group of senators. That frankly lick the boots of donald trump for four years are concerned about rancor and vitriol what are we looking at right now on the screen if not rancor in vitriol taken to the extreme to the point where a police officer was killed it is clear that these members of the senate fear the man you covered for four years donald trump much more than they care about what happened to them at the capitol hill rancor vitriol and since and certainly displays of cowardice yesterday from number of republican senators is it was as it was put to me by someone close to the process close this republicans in the senate that there was a moment in those first couple of days after january six that first day to the shock of the attack because they were the victims still dealing with that riotous mob the came in there looking for blood that there was some sense in that moment of this was the president trump needed to be held responsible not a mental all republicans in the senate to be sure but there was at least some who thought that day that maybe something needed to be done but as the two weeks have passed that changed there was an actual cooling-off period even though we saw videos day after day that make clear this was worse than we realize how much how frankly how lucky we all were. The things weren't far more dire because of a few acts of heroism from some capital police officers and frankly from a few long turns that some of the mob members took while trying to navigate the capital and these are senators who heard back from people in their districts who heard from republicans who recognize. Just how popular. Donald trump still is with them despite inciting that extra insurrection. And that i think is one of the lessons to be sure is the hold that trump still has on that party even from palm beach even with his twitter account being silenced. That's something that a lot of people in washington but republican democrat wondered in the aftermath of trump's twitter. Being taken away. Would he no longer be acute party in line. With the threat of those tweets to rile up his supporters. And we'll see if it plays out in the long run but here just a few weeks later. It's clear that he does. He doesn't need the twitter to still have them in his hand to still have them doing his bidding. And that's and that is where we are now though. The president trump is still in silence and joe. President biden is trying many ways to turn the page. Have the focus not be on this trial. Republicans in the senate are still afraid of the former president. And they're that's where they're going to put their allegiance not on seeing this to one a fair impartial trial in the senate. Mika one last point to sprinkle inhale you remember two weeks ago after the house. Impeached president trump then majority leader mitch. Mcconnell said he wasn't going to rush to convene the senate until the following week could they want to do the trial. Democrats did while he was present in the united states. And now yesterday mitch. Mcconnell voted in support of the motion. That said it's unconstitutional to go after him when he's a private citizen so just think of the time line there. It's just i mean don't need to add on what joe said was so well put but what exactly do these republicans think do they do. They not have the ability to tell donald trump's people their constituents some of them that this was wrong. I don't understand how this could be hard. Do they need more to happen. Still ahead on morning joe. President biden has his first phone call with russian president vladimir putin and brings up several issues that president trump always refused to address. We'll have fat plus with coronavirus cases on the rise around the world the president ramps up. The orders vaccine doses. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back task. The alive look at the white house. Six thirty on the east coast. Welcome back to morning. Joe joining us now. Nbc news capitol hill correspondent and host of way. Too early casey hunt and white house editor for politico. Sam stein walk us through the past week or so week ago there were republicans who are actually concerned about the fact that mobs angry Trump inspired mobs were coming in to the the capital till lynch. Mike counts and to put a bullet as one of the people said in nancy. Pelosi's had and they're very concerned about this shocked and stunned and deeply saddened and there were even a few serious people talking about how they could get to seventeen republican votes. I was never one of those serious people. Because i never thought they could get seventeen votes but still i don't think many people would have expected so many republicans to cower the way they did yesterday and say yes trump's guilty but there's a spirit segial thing because we can't do it after he leaves office despite the fact mitch mcconnell our leader said. We're not gonna do this until after he leaves office. They're not arguing about the merits. Because i mean you just laid it out just a few minutes ago. How on earth is it possible to defend what actually happened and what. Donald trump actually did and. That's not what they're doing. They're using this process argument as cover. I mean i was there. I was in the capitol complex on january six. I was texting with members of congress with members of the senate as they were scrambling off of the house and senate floors to try and get to safety. We were all terrified. It was an attack on everyone that was in that building. And the things that we've learned in the aftermath. They don't make it better. They've made it worse. The more we learn about what happened the worst we learn. It could have been the more we know that. We just narrowly avoided an even worse. Catastrophe members of congress potentially killed the vice president killed. And i know that privately republicans were terrified to. They think that this is outrageous and unacceptable. And i'm sorry we've covered this a whole hell of a lot. We have said republicans privately say that they don't like donald trump did today but they're not going to say anything about it because perhaps it will get better if they just talk in private. They'll keep their heads down in. It'll go away and this is where that led to what you're seeing on your screen right now this is. This is where we ended up with this well and now it looks like they're on track to do the same thing and the vote yesterday and only five of them stood up and said you know we should go ahead and hold this trial. And you know there's precedent in historical record for them to hold the trial. I think there's still could be a couple more. Who vote to convict when this trial actually comes to the floor but it seems like it's fewer and fewer by the day sam stein. You've got some new numbers from the morning console political poll on the man who started all this president trump. What did you find. Well i mean what we found was that his his his Standing in the republican. Party's still firm but it's slipping ever so slightly what you see right. There is should former president trump play role nine or major role republican party. Gop sixty five. Yes democrats eleven percent independence twenty five percent now. Sixty five percent may seem like a lot to most people. But it's not that much when you think of the last four years where that that number would have been enough mid to high nineties now. I don't know how that jives with what we saw yesterday that You know what we saw yesterday. Vote is the senate republican caucus. That still very much feels at least a little bit of intimidation. i would argue from president trump. i it sort of reminded me of the foster. They took at various junctures in the last four years where they assume that he would essentially recede scandal that he had caused would eventually evaporate nick move on without having to do any of the sort of heavy lifting to censure pushback or constrain him that it will resolve itself now that might be the case because he's office now he doesn't have his twitter feed But what we saw yesterday. Was the republican party. Still very much feels intimidated by him. This poll shows that there is slippage that if only sixty five percent of republicans feel like he should have a major or minor in the future of their party and this is only a couple of weeks after he left office that there is in fact a in public ins that are ready to move viewed asset. Same question of barack obama. Willie at this stage. You'd be in the nineties. Thank barack obama so funny versus primary when some democrats were suggesting that he wasn't liberal enough you know. We kept gently. Reminding those democrats attacking barack obama that the guy had a ninety percent approval rating inside the party. And if you'd ask the question the other pole is more interesting to me. Put up the other pole where asa donald trump run again. Because this is a threat. He's been making the republicans nationwide that number drops down to fifty six percent. And i gotta say if. I'm out of office and and i wanna run again and i'm donald trump and only about one in two republicans are saying you know what maybe maybe don't run again That actually does show show erosion of support For a guy that held this party completely sway. Not so long ago yeah. The numbers may be slipping but what those republican senators showed his yesterday as they still fear him they fear him more than they fear the consequences of letting him go. In letting this attack the capital slide. I mean they just do. And casey when you go down the list as i said earlier only five. Republicans voted against this motion from rand. Paul is it as pure as we fear this guy who's gonna wake up this morning in palm beach and go play golf and shoot a ninety two or whatever he's gonna do today. They're just plain scared of him. They're scared of what he could mean for their political future. Is it that simple case. I think that's basically the case willie. Each member has their own individual reasons for feeling this way they have. Whether they have family considerations they're trying to make a buck each each one of them has to make their own set of calculations but the reality is donald. trump's still has an incredibly strong hold over many of the people that they need to vote for them if they were to run for reelection I think what rob portman does will be a real test because he is now not running for reelection so in theory that frees him up to not have to be accountable to that and to make a decision that is purely based on conscience and what he thinks is the right thing to do. He told our team on the hill yesterday that his vote on this process question shouldn't be interpreted it as his decision on conviction or not but he also told fox news that his decision not to run isn't going to affect his vote on whether to convict donald trump or not. So there's some lindsey. Graham is out there trying to say well we should be afraid that donald trump is going to create a third party that would permanently break the republican party in half because of course if donald trump tried to take a support and run and it actually worked republicans would likely never have a working majority in the congress again. I think history is full of academic theories about a third party in american politics. Never really seen something like that actually happen but that's where we are. There are still a number of trump apologised people who are trying to get back close to him. And kevin mccarthy spent a week with donald trump mad at him and is now turning around and trying to get back in his good graces so they are continuing to act the way they have for the last four years. You know it's fascinating lindsay. There is setting saying good that if they don't treat donald trump right. He could break the republican party. That's going out shopping figurines. I think shop figure holding yod in his delicate hands and dropping it and breaking all over the floor. Lindsey i got to be more careful or break figurine. But that's just it's too late. Lindsey jadranka is broken in a thousand pieces. Your party is broken in a thousand pieces. Rev. i don't know if lindsay hasn't been paying attention lately but donald trump. This guy has done to the republican party. Just what lindsey graham. When he was figuring shopping in two thousand sixteen said he was going to do to the republican party. He's destroyed the republican party. He's broken the republican party is is what we've been warning about. What i've he's going to break so republican party he's done exactly what we've been warning republicans. Do he was the first president. Since herbert hoover i think to lose the house to lose this senate and to lose the white house. He created a civil war in georgia. That guy two guys elected to the united states senate that would normally never get elected to the united states senate in georgia. One of them looks like a cast member to warren babies movie reds from the nineteen eighties tag. I'd never get elected in georgia state wide. But he did because donald trump mel donald trump has started civil wars in the arizona republican party and the oregon republican party. This is a disease that is well. First of all it is eaten conservatism alive. It's killed it and now he's doing it to the republican party. Lindsay thinks is figuring might get now. What's broken ralph is broken he has. He's is broken in a thousand pieces and he's still scared that donald trump mc break it more. The best thing that happened to the democratic party is donald trump. i mean. I do not see how without trump they would have been able the democrats to win the white house. The senate and the house of representatives without having the assistance of the bizarre demagoguery of donald trump and the see now members of the republican leadership continue to play with the pieces of the broken vase that he dropped and broke rather than try to pick up the pieces and re-glue it and put the party back together again is going to lead into the midterm elections. Where they're going to lose again. I they keep it up because the midterm elections adjust next year they will even lose more because no one has the moral backbone to stand up and say we're broken. Let's pick up these pieces and put it back together. They are actually kicking the pieces around and making it worse by disassembling whatever pieces they could try to pick up and repair in a post trump world and joe the threat to these republican senators from donald. Trump is not implicit in fact some of his aides. The small team. You still has a random called around. Capitol hill talked to some republican senators in the last several days just to remind them that the former president is watching and it looked like yesterday with their vote. Gave it still watching. Who knows you mean the guy that lost the house for the republicans who lost his senate for the republicans and who also white house for the republicans as watching. Yeah turn the channel and by the way the entire conservative movement. Now making you look at some of these so-called concern nothing conservative about them. It's snowflake network but the movement that was once defined by edmund burke by russell kirk by william f buckley by margaret thatcher by ronald reagan. Who they turn to now mr pillow. Oh my gosh. we'll be right back. My pillow president. Joe biden and russian president vladimir putin had their first phone call yesterday since biden took office. According to the white house has readout of the call biden quote reaffirmed. The united states firm support for ukraine sovereignty. He also raised other matters of concern including the solar winds hack reports of russia placing bounties on united states soldiers in afghanistan interference in the twenty twenty united states selection and the poisoning of alexei navalny referring to jail opposition leader in russia. The white house statement also says quote. Mr biden made clear that the united states will act firmly in defense of its national interests in response to actions by russia that harm us or our allies the kremlin also issued its readout emphasizing different elements of the call. According to the the kremlin described the chat between biden and putin is quote. Frank and business like end quote noted that normalization of ties between russia and the united states would serve the interests of both. You know couldn't agree with that statement. More jonathan lemaire. It doesn't do the united states and he good when russia does whatever it wants to do and donald trump is is pretending they exist the united states senate is moving in its own direction against russia. You need a president who can talk to another president. Say there's our problems you do. These things goes against. Us interested offense our basic values and then they come back with their their responses or their problems. And that's actually how the dialogue begins. That's how we actually perhaps may move to having a constructive relationship with vladimir putin's russia talk about our differences and that's what i thought was hopeful about the call. Yeah i'd and laid it all out on the line and russia's said okay so let's let's talk through this. Let's have an open and frank Relationship my colleague and i. We broke news of this phone call yesterday. Joe we were struck by that as well. it can't be overstated. A sharp difference in tone and approach that president biden is taking as opposed to his predecessor. Donald trump who we know always spoke very warmly. Vladimir putin's rather enamored with him throughout his campaign and presidency and never stood up on matters of election appearance and others. And i think even the backstory of this call is telling the biden putin did not speak during the campaign. Moscow reached out at the end of last week. Wanted to set up the call. The white house agreed biden. Said yes but said. I wanted to prioritize speaking to his european allies. The uk france germany. And even yesterday in the hours before being to putin he spoke to the secretary. General of nato first reaffirming uses commitment to that alliance which was founded as a bulwark to russian aggression before he even got on the phone with putin and he was very clear. This off course happens just days. After russia was with protests about the imprisonment of alexei navalny. The opposition leader biden was clear. He brought that up. Express disapproval with that arrest and the approach. Here is as you said was that he was gonna make it very clear. No tempted to reset here. There's no tempted to reset with russians relations with russia but rather biden was going to be explicit and clear about the things that he found that he had problems with election interference in two thousand sixteen and twenty twenty. The bounties paid the taliban to take out american troops in afghanistan the solar wind cyber hacking but also wanted to leave some room for diplomacy including the new start arms control treaty which is supposed to expire in just about two weeks and both sides so the readouts from the us in russian governments. There are always different but both sides did agree on that crucial point. The progress was made an expectation that the deal is. It will happen in the coming days. And i always thought it was if you were russia and i know this sounds counter. Intuitive but i always thought sam stein that it was a not in russia's best interest have a president so clumsily beholden vladimir putin putin care about a wh. What do russian leaders care about. You know they. They want movement on sanctions. They they they want to to to move forward in a constructive way with the united states on sanctions. If they can do that. That was never going to happen. Well you had a president that millions of americans still believed for some reason has been compromised by vladimir putin having this frank discussion moving forward this way. Ironically i guess counter-intuitively may actually be in russia's best interest. I don't disagree with you here. I mean what stood out to me about the biden call was just how traditional it was for president. Draw those lines and also try to strike the matt tones especially on testing bands for nuclear weapons and ballistic weapons. This was the normal type of austria towards russia. Trump's was the admiral patrick russia. The goal essentially should be the same. I'm not totally sure. We can apply trump yet. Because we're not sure we're not totally sure it is. Motivations were but the goal is essentially to get russia to be less of a belligerent actor on the international stage to bring it back into or make it a part of international treaties and institutions to essentially get it to stop interference in different theaters. Now trump clearly tried a heavy carrot approach. Biden is not going to do that. More of a stick and carrot approach The question we have now is an network. will it work clearly. We have four years of evidence that for trump's approach for all the currency through and didn't really determine much the questions of territorial sovereignty in ukraine Election interference hacking. All the stuff that we want to prevent as a country continued in persistent real biden. His new posture changed. I don't know i'm not you know. We'll have to see the proof of the pudding but he's just bring us back to what is traditionally. Us presidential pops records roster russia right. And you also can look back at the last three presidencies and it's very obvious. Vladimir putin did not respect george w bush barack obama or for donald trump invaded georgia bush administration guy. Who said that quote about. I could see to is is. His soul invaded ukraine during the presidency of barack obama They talked about reset. Barack obama had said hey. I'm going to be free to do more things after i'm reelected. They responded to that by invading ukraine and and of course donald trump speaks while while we're talking about foreign policy really quickly willie anthony blinken Is now going to be. The secretary is the secretary of state now approved by the united states. Senate and i think it bears mentioning. Oh all we have talk of unity on many issues that he that so far all of joe biden's appointees have have gotten in pretty easily. Jessica yellen anthony blinken. You could go down the list yet. Janet yellen was sworn in yesterday by kamla harrison secretary of state anti blagent now as well sworn in by pretty good margins. Not what we've seen historically but you know eighty four fifteen votes like that and yet he will as we heard in that. Call secretary of state lincoln. We'll take the relationship with russia in particular in a new direction. It's shouldn't be extraordinary. That joe biden brought up the issues that he brought up on that phone call. They seem obvious to most but it is extraordinary. Issue tries to unwind the policies of donald trump. all right sam stein. Thank you very much for being on this morning coming up. utah's governor. 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S10 EP93: Mike Pence Breaks the Press

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S10 EP93: Mike Pence Breaks the Press

"You could get me on social media. E w erickson you've gotta eat w erickson dot com. What does anybody know what. We're vince jealous. Do any of you delta employees have any idea delta has put out a tweet summer twenty twenty one is for revenge travel which destinations are you most looking forward to visit what is revenge. Travel in someone slighted june. You wanted to murder him. But you couldn't because you were in lockdown so you're at a lockdown. It's the summer of revenge. Travel go out and murder wantonly. It seems like that's what's happening right now. anyway. I have no idea Enough of that. Mike pence is out on the campaign trail speaking. He spoke in new hampshire and the left is furious with him. The left is absolutely beside themselves. That mike pence dared to not condemn donald trump january sixers and art history of the united states capitol but thanks to the swift action of the capitol police in federal law enforcement violence was coiled capital was secured and that same day we reconvene congress and did are under the constitution and the laws of the united states president trump and outspoken many times since we left office and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that day but i will always be proud of what we accomplished for the american people four years and i will not allow democrats or their allies in the media to us one tragic day to discredit the aspirations of millions of americans. Look here can we. Just be bluntly brutally honest about all the stuff. The media very very much wants to make january six all about the gop they want to define the gop vijender six. They wanted to find a the very same media by the way that that is changing their twitter profiles rainbow flags buying them and and define themselves for one month. Gay wanted to find the gop for all of eternity as race baiting writers from january six now. There are a couple of things to do. And what mike pence say number one. Mike pence unlike many of the president's supporters looks on january six as a bad day as a dark day to use his words. It doesn't help the media that mike pence is calling january six a dark day because mike pence is supposed to be writing donald trump's leg always and in perpetuity and say nothing critical or say anything at all about it important for you to understand here that might pence the former vice president of the united states actually said that january six was not a good day mark. Mike actually says something critical of they couldn't. They couldn't help themselves on morning. Joe talking about you know jonathan lemaire. Sure sure donald trump knew that mike pence's life was in danger. And maybe maybe he also knew that mike pence's children's life that that they were dangerous well and his wife was in danger and maybe he knew that mike pence had been pulled away from the chamber and rush downstairs with the secret service. And maybe just maybe. He tweeted something after knowing that they put their lives in greater danger. But i will not sit here and watch people his back swing. It comes up slow okay and follows through. He does go. The way shifted from the right hill to that you get the point here. Here's what the media wants to. The media wants mike pence to come out and denounce and and the demand and condemn and bully and shame donald trump. They put mike pence to say everything they believe. And he didn't. Mike pinch threaded the needle. Would it do. Very forthrightly. Pins comes out and says generous. Six was a dark day. Everybody in the media agrees with that. Most people agree with that. Even most of president trump supporters agree with that. Some do not some don't but others do. But would it. Do beyond that. Beyond that. Mike pence says i'm not the media divided over this what. You can't do that that you you're supposed to. You're supposed to agree. That trump supporters are bad and it was all of them and they're the bad words. How can you. How dare you and then wait. He did something else. He defended donald trump's policies. But how can you defend. Donald trump's policies is a bunch of racists. How dare you bench. Threaded the needle smartly. Let's let's. Let's listen to the vice-president here and i'm gonna talk over this type. January sixers the dark day in the history of the united states cap. Most everyone agrees with that especially the swift action of the capitol. Police and federal law enforcement violence was quelled capital was secured and that same day. We reconvene the congress and did our duty yes amen alleluia everybody. They all agree. Yes mike did say it. Now say it now. Donald trump caused it under the constitution and the laws of the united states. Now three hundred the bus mike. You know president trump. And i've spoken many times since we left office with us and i don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on that. Yes he's doing it. But i will always be proud of what we were their allies in the media the media to discredit the aspirations of millions of americans. You're you're trying to justify trump's bad that that's this is this is how the media is looking at it. He set them up they covered. She's like oh he's going to go. Nope you could hear the air. Let out of the balloon. And they're mad at mike pence today my goodness if they are mad at pence and it wasn't just a mississippi. It's the folks on cnn. It's the blue checkmark social media. How dare he do that. You got That idiot matthew. Dowd listen to this. Matthew dowd used to work for george w bush. Listen to this but if we can't even get a commission and the president has said he's not gonna do a blue ribbon commission of his own on january six. What else can be done to make sure that the full truth of january sixth comes out in your view. Well i mean the first part of the thing is to demonstrate that this is the most important issue of our time. I think it's actually the most important issue in the last hundred and fifty years since the civil war really because we're at that point in our history where this could really fall apart. Our our grand experiment could completely fall. Apart building. the conspiracy theory so nine eleven was not as bad pearl. Harbor was not as bad. And then on cnn as well complete meltdown george conway. It really was a remarkable speech that he gave last night. I mean he's just downplaying. The most significant disagreement could ever possibly have which is whether or not democracy in the united states should continue. I mean the president's the former president basically tried to try incited insurrection. That was essentially trying to stop. The of his executive and mike pence vice president pence to his credit stood up for the law stood up for the constitution. It's just not something where you can just say. Well we don't quite see eye to eye about it like it might be whether or not you should spend fifty million dollars more or less on infrastructure. Mike pence didn't say what they wanted him to say. And so he's the bad guy today. See this goes to the larger issue. They're doing their best to frame this. As donald trump and his supporters are bad. And everyone knows they're bad and you cannot eat any sort of way. Praise them praise what they've done or praise the trump agenda because the trump agenda led to the point of undermining democracy. That's that is the media position and pinch didn't go along with it. He he dared to think for himself. You know the most dangerous thing you can do in washington. These days with the media is think for yourself. You either tow the republican party line and you're inherently bad or you to- the democratic party line and you're inherently good or remember mavericks. Remember the mavericks. The maverick john mccain was the maverick. The mavs pack maverick. You know what a maverick is. A maverick is a republican who helps democrats you know what enabler is. An enabler is a democrat who helps republicans and they're bad as what you'll mansion is bad. Joe manchin criticism of their bad. They're bad because they're helping. Republicans keep the filibuster. They're bad mike pence. He's in a neighbor. He's bad he's a republican helping galleries bad bat all that good lord people seriously they can't let it go they can't let it go. They can't not define trump supporters suspect. Spent they genuinely h you. They genuinely hate you. They think you're the enemy of the republic. They're the enemy of the republic. Everybody thinks the and they can't let go you know. There's this organized orchestrated effort now on cnn. They won't have on republicans who disagree are who voted to undermined the election. So these january. Six kevin mccarthy the leading republican in the united states house of representatives can't get on. Cnn that he wants to get on cnn not that anybody watches him but he couldn't get on cnn if he wanted to. Because he was. Okay with margaret taylor. Green and others questioning the January sixteenth questioning the election challenging the electoral college. They won't let him on This is where the media's they're broken they've picked a side it is not your side. It is not my side there by the way They're spitting mad at john boehner today. John bainer wrote a book a tell all book from being speaker of the house. You know it's notable john. John dana writes this book and basically He blames everybody else. Doesn't take any responsibility for the failures that frankly led to the rise of donald trump. His constant betrayal of the base. His life to the base is wanting to hang out with the media Smoke cigarettes and be cool and drink wine. With barack obama baiter two calls for school. John baiter he's awesome of fiddled while the republic started burning and then left writes this. Tell all book. But john bainer on television on cnn. Today this morning and john bainer. Is it going along with the prevailing progressive zeitgeist. He's not going along with available so they're mad at him today for a weeks. They've been treating. John bainer some sort of telo hero and now he's got the audacity to tell them what they don't want here and they're mad at him. You would think at some point. They would have some level of understanding that. Maybe it's them not us. Maybe it's not him but they can't and now they want to cancel john bainer for what he said on cnn. This morning all. I've got the audio. I'm gonna play it when we come back. The former speaker wrote his tell all book and attacked way. More republicans than democrats including ted cruz in in the audio form of his book. He would sometimes riff and go off script from the book and in one of them told ted cruz to go do something to himself. That is physically impossible. Well bainer was on cnn this morning. And you know the the zeitgeist out there. The prevailing liberal cinema in america is that You gotta get rid of the filibuster now and all. Those republicans are suppressing vote Bainer heavy none of it here is filibuster. Sounds like you like the filibuster. You think it should stay not be gotten rid of. I think i served in the house. Not in the senate But you know. I've worked with center for the last forty years i understand. We're i if you take the filibuster out the senate you're gonna turn the senate in davao. Now there's reason way up two year term. We'll keep schools of the reason. The senate has sicker. they're supposed to be the The software under the hot coffee of how and And so the filibuster. Frankly has been good for both parties. Where narrow minority There's there's not just a couple of democrats oppose get rid of bill. There's probably half dozen democrats Moved not said anything yet but who want no part of getting rid of the villanova i. It is what it is and That makes us different from our house. It slows the process down Less people take a bigger goal. At what the changing the law should or should fit what. How dare you say that. You're suggesting that the the filibuster is a reasonable tool to slow down. And he's also upset with all the pushback over the election law reform which state which do you think has a more restrictive voting process georgia delaware. That doesn't even allow for absentee vote except under very rigid Circumstances you got some states. That have no early voting. I think new hampshire And so when you look at these the how the states run these you'll see that They're all very different. But the fate of a history of how they do election and tinker with it. Along the way each all my glenn. How dare you say that. John bainer. How dare you say that. They are the blue chip marks on twitter beside themselves. You know mean reality is with check marks on twitter. Say even though you don't think so they. The john bainer is supposed to come on because he's written a book critical of conservatives and he's supposed to tell them what the what it reminds me of the liz cheney situation really liz cheney is is the darling of the media because she stands up to donald trump. She supports impeachment. She gets ousted by republicans for continuing to call out donald trump and his supporters and she goes on television and okay. Let's shady tell us. Tell us the truth now. You really hate the voting laws as well. Don't you hate georgia. did in florida in texas doing. Don't you don't find unreasonable. What you're not allowed to say that. I laid notice how with liz. Cheney started using her television opportunities and appearances to defend the georgia election law. They stopped having her on. Tv isn't it remarkable. How quickly her media hits went away the moment she started defending the election laws. They're all. Gosh she's not really one of us we thought she was because she h. Drop it shows you. How shallow and narrow minded the media is it shows you how shallow and and opportunistic the media is your if you say something that they like they believe you are one of them and they rush with gusto to defend you and have you on television and then you dare to realize. Well yes okay. Well there's one thing. I agree with you but all all these other things i don't i mean only the media would think if i agree with you on this i must agree with you. On everything else and now lychees donald. Tv anymore is she. John bainer his appearances are gonna dry up now. He dared to think like a republican. Thinks on some of these issues and well. They can't have that on. Cnn these days you gotta be on the left to be on cnn. I philosophically believe that. You shouldn't just listen to me. You should just tune into this program and have me all enrage you delight your what have you i. I have always believed. I'm an activist at heart. Used to a political activist and campaign. Manager that i have always believed. I should educate you. I should motivate you. And i should activate you when the time comes to to action on stuff and i believe that radio listeners should just be passive. That's why i do text messaging and the like I just. I think that there comes a time when you're gonna wanna take action and you're gonna call shows as well. What can i do to help. I get this all the time. What can i do to help. 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Part of being involved is taking action by calling on people you're elected officials and telling them to do something or not to do something and you can do that by joining the army of actors nationwide We we take action. All fifty states sometimes with congress and be a part of a text the word army to three seven seven seven. I wanna speak very briefly about kyun on very briefly. Just i i just you got to follow me here. Because we're jumping away from cunanan. But i want to get to start with you and on cunanan on is a conspiracy theory in an often. They're the the guys who started it very canny. They make a lot of things un falsifiable. I mean a lot of things like for example. You hear them prove to me. The election was not stolen. Not don't not prove to me. The election was delivered proved to me. It was not stolen well That's i don't know that. I can prove to you. The election was not stolen. Because if you're convinced it is nothing i say will convince you. Otherwise that's cunanan and the original basis for cunanan was this belief that donald trump one window and said he could. It was a divine act because there is an organized effort of the global elite organized by the cia it is a satanic plot to molested abuse children and everything that can be tied to. It is tied to it. Jeffrey epstein is tied to it. Bill gates is tied to it. Bill clinton is tied to the british. Royal family is tied to it. Hillary clinton is tied to it. John podesta's tied to it. Hollywood actors tied to it. Harvey weinstein to everybody's died. Prove it prove it's not true. How do you do that. Proving negatives is actually kind of a hard thing to do. So it's always setup is proved negative. Prove to me. There's not a global conspiracy of human traffickers. Were satanists who are organized by the cia. Proved me. it's not true. Very hard to the left. Though i bring up and because i i've dismissive of it i don't believe it is true and the media roundly harped on a day every day. I read about how Churches are filled up with cunanan supporters. And i i've met. I've got friends of mine. Who are queuing on supporters. We've had q. Sympathetic members of congress. Now but it's kind of fading away. I'm now hearing way more members of the media. Talk about it. Then i am actual in the media actual human beings in the real world. Nobody seems to be focused on anymore. If anything because so much of it was not true it it got discredited the whole idea that donald trump was coming back. He was going to be to office etc etc etc. It hadn't happened. But there's a new conspiracy theory out there and it's not a conspiracy theory on the right. It's a conspiracy theory on the left. It's a conspiracy theory. Put out by the global elite. And you got to prove him wrong. But you can't really again really prove it wrong it. You can't really. you can't really say anything against it. Our play for you again. The story conway clip. I played earlier. Listen listen to part of this conversation but it really was a remarkable speech that he gave last night. I mean he's just downplaying. The most significant disagreement. You could ever possibly have which is whether or not democracy in the united states should continue. I mean the of former president basically tried to. He tried incited and insurrection. That was essentially trying to stop the election of his successor and mike pence vice president pence to his credit stood up for the law stood up for the constitution. It's just not something where you can just say. Well we don't quite see eye to eye about it like it might be whether or not you should spend fifty million dollars more or less on infrastructure. He's downplaying the most significant disagreement. You would ever possibly have. Which is whether or not democracy in the united states should continue and rachel Bit golfer is a democratic strategist sheet. She made her claim to fame was on polling. She's a statistician in believes. She can call elections right. She doesn't always call them right She got twenty eighteen. Twenty twenty right which you didn't have to be a super strategies to do but now that's made her some sort of intellectual heavyweight on the left but listen listen to this. This is her campaign and electioneering. A cemetry has left us in the position where we're watching democracy collapse so it is time i mean i. It's being you know attacked in pearl harbor. We had a horrible right. We've been living through it. It's been a slow running event but with trump's comments about the election integrity from the beginning the beginning of the presidential cycle. We now see a about thirty five percents of our fellow. Americans think that joe biden stunned up stole the presidency and they're seeing that message reinforced all through their ecosystem. Right and our side seeing is not that stuff right. Many people who vote voted in Like what. I call the trump against coalition. They've they are complacent democracy. We're about to lose. our democracy. Democracy is dying democracies going away. Matthew dowd i played this one as well from msnbc but if we can't even get a commission and the president has said he's not going to do a blue ribbon commission of his own on january. Six what else can be done to make sure that the full truth of january sixth comes out in your view. Well i mean the first part of the thing is to demonstrate that this is the most important issue of our time. And i think it's actually the most important issue in the last hundred and fifty years since the civil war because we're at that point in our history where this could really fall apart. Our our grand experiment could completely follow our our listening to what they're saying. Listen to this. This is the commentary on. Cnn animus nbc. Our democracy is falling apart. Our democracy is on the verge of glassy. We've got to have the the house of the senate they've gotta pass this one piece of legislation. How would one piece of legislation save the democracy. How is the republic to go on. This is a democratic conspiracy. Theory this cunanan for the left. They looked at january six. And what happened. On january six people moved into the capital stormy to the capital colored. Insurrection called a tourist mob. Whatever you want to go where they successful no in fact. What we saw is that in every state that mattered for the election. The governor's in charge. Did the right thing. Brian kemp in georgia did not violate his constitutional oath of office. Doug ducey in. Arizona did not violate his constitutional oath of office. The very secretaries of state and members of congress. They did not violate their oath of office even questioning. The electoral college vote was not a violation of their oath of office. They're allowed constitutionally allowed to question the the electric i would disagree with them on that In some of their conclusions but they're allowed to do it to say that our democracy is on the verge of collapse to say that the the days of the american republic are at an end is a conspiracy theory. It is a factual nonsense. It is not true and yet because members of the media believe it you yourself are supposed to believe it and you you by the way you you can't disprove it any more than you could disprove co q. On they think it's so so it must be so prove wrong. Prove them wrong and you say well what happened on. Jake's congress got the job but did you see the people that you see that people. Yeah i saw the people once accessible the e buffalo bison helmeted idiot it day and in the capital but but he was there he was there and what he's he's going to jail now but he was there and he's willing to jail about that but what our democracy our republic lives on does not have you noticed by the way the democrats. Are you know why this is really happening. I i assume you know but if you don't know let me just let me explain to you what's going on. I show illuminate you. They know they're going to lose in two twenty twenty two losing twenty twenty two. They suspect they may lose. Twenty twenty four but twenty twenty two whether focused on right now twenty twenty two. It's it's everything that matters to them is twenty twenty two everything that matters to the leftist power and they're afraid they're lose power in two thousand twenty two. It's so they're doing their best to try to convince you that the republicans will destroy the republic. They wanna destroy above. They're they're bad they're out to get you and they're doing it because they want to preserve power. They're doing it because all of the rest of them say so. Now listen. i agree with vice president of the united states. Mike pence january six was a dark day. it was not antifa. it was a group of people. Overwhelmingly supportive of the president who were convinced by conspiracy theories presidential statements and otherwise that the election was being stolen and they wanted to act. They stormed the capital thing that they themselves were the heroes and they weren't but they were never going to be successful that they they weren't coordinated in a way they needed to be the capital. Police were certainly underfunded and understaffed and under may ended an underpowered. But it wasn't going to happen there. Were never enough. Republicans and democrats pretty republicans on their side. Just it wasn't going to happen. But the left must manufacturer for themselves in existential crisis and in manufacturing for themselves existential crisis they must. Have you believe that existential crisis much cunanan wished for you to believe in the army of of child molesting satanic rich people led by the cia and they set it up as an unfalsifiable argument proved to me. This is not so. I mean if you prove to this oh that the easy answer is well. The republic survives does not the republicans are the minority mitch. Mcconnell gave up power in the senate to chuck schumer in a fifty fifty senate chuck schumer's in charge. Joe biden is president the military's under his command. The house representatives under nancy pelosi spin. How is this the the republic it's not but twenty twenty two is common and the democrats were taken aback by republican gains in the house of representatives. They are convinced. Those republican gains will Will continue and the best way. They have to try to convince them to try to convince voters to stop. The republican. gains is to convince voters that if you put the republicans in power. It's kim who are bad. They will be the ones to never give up power. They are the ones who are the threat to the republic. Meanwhile your average voters other saying wait a second. It's not the republicans putting go boys and girls bathroom. It's it's not republicans other writing in cities and in burning down cities it's not republicans other wanted to de-fund the police. Oh my neighborhood isn't safe. The democrats are in a bubble right now. And if you're a democrat please understand this tragedy a favor here. Try to talk to you. You're in a bubble. You believe this is true. You have internalized. this is true. The american public does not see that. It is true and screaming and yelling. Even louder at the american public is not going to convince them that it is drew. You might need to move on. Except we know how conspiracy theorists work knee telling them to move on means. They're going to think. Oh well he's the conspiracy. He wants me to move on. So i'll stop talking about it so that we can take over democracy when you get inside a colt. Would you get inside conspiracy theory it. It's very hard for you to trust people who aren't in it and to tell you when they tell you to move on that they're not part of the conspiracy theory and you know what's going to happen is this gonna cost them the elections and so maybe we should let them stay where they are but in so doing they will be the ones to de-legitimize lectures in the future. Just like stacey. Abrams did after she lost georgia. Two thousand eighteen. She still convinced. She's the governor of georgia even though she's not well the economy is not roaring along as as it should. It's actually doing the the number went up. Five hundred nineteen thousand or so job gration but it is. We're still having problems. It's not actually a good. And the biden. Policies are increasingly being blamed for keeping people out of the workforce. It's just not roaring back as so many people thought it would here. Is becky quick from cnbc. Try and get employees especially in high-skill jobs The small businesses are also facing that. I think almost half of small business owners in the month of may Said that they were having real problems. Trying to get people in for jobs. The highest level they'd ever seen What happens here. Why are these things happening. Why is it so difficult to get people in on jobs in his austin right the employers are going to have to start paying a lot more money to get people to work is. They're having trouble. They're having trouble. Because of joe biden's policies. Here is rick santelli. It does You were off by just nine thousand. You came in at the lower end and a lot of people were anticipating a. I think a lot of people expected bounce back after weaker-than-expected numbers last month. What what made you think that it was going to be on the low end. rick There was a great quote by Yeah president of manpower group it was employees are acting like consumers and how they are consuming. Work and san francisco fed saying that extra benefits. Add an effect on job decisions. I think both of those things along with on my way to bowling last night in a one square mile of a commercial complex fourteen help wanted signs so i think all of those put together helped me derive helped me drive my number. He concluded that. Click off a little. Bit yeah you know. It's a problem. So i was in a bit of a fender bender. It was funny. So i buy all my cars dealership in atlanta called jamila. So i i buy all my vehicles. There was really thinking i need to just go on and take my denali in. It's got about forty five thousand miles on it. It's the resale value of it is way higher than what i owe on it as she and swapping out for the twenty twenty one model and that i was in a fender bender. Now i'm thinking maybe you get fixed and going and do it. The cars jinxed but You know i'm going to be put off in in trading it in because it's gonna take an extra week to fix the car. Just because of the delays and supplies in the labor shortages. It's taken them a longer. I tried to rent a car. He can't rent a car because people aren't turning the rental cars in because they can't get their old cars back because it's taken longer to fix them up there across the board. Shortages and inflation is on the rise and the governor's like temporary. Don't worry about it. We've got the leaks on the ufo report. Now let me just give you. The rundown here is the headline from the new york. Times it says. Us fines no evidence of alien technology and flying objects but can't rule it out either. A new report concedes that much about the observed phenomena remains difficult to explain including their acceleration as well as ability to change. Direction and submerge american intelligence officials have found no evidence that aerial phenomena witnessed by navy pilots in recent years our spacecraft but they still cannot explain the unusual movements that have mystified scientists and the military according to senior administration officials briefed on the findings of a highly anticipated government report the report determines that a vast majority of more than one hundred twenty incidents over the past two decades did not originate from any american military or other advanced. Us government technology. The officials said that determination would appear to eliminate the possibility that navy pilots who reported seen unexplained aircraft might have encountered programs. The government meant to keep secret. But that's about the only conclusive finding in the classified indulgence report. The official said and while the forthcoming and classified version expected to be released to congress by june twenty fifth will present few other firm conclusions senior officials briefed on the intelligence concluded that the very ambiguity of the findings meant the government could not definitively rule out theories that the phenomena observed by military pilots might be alien spacecraft the report concedes that much about the observed phenomenon remains difficult to explain including their acceleration as well as the ability to change direction and submerge. One possible explanation that the phenomenon could be weather balloons or other research blues. Just not hold up. Cases because of changes in wind speed of the time of some of the interactions. The final report will include a classified. Annex officials said while the annex will not contain any evidence concluding that the phenomenon alien spacecraft the officials acknowledged that the fact that it would remain off limits to the public will likely continue to fuel speculation many of the more than one hundred twenty incidents examined in the report from navy personnel. The report also examined incidents involving foreign militaries over the last two decades intelligence officials believe at least some of the aerial phenomena could have been experimental technology from a rival power most likely russia or china one senior official briefed on the intelligence said without hesitation that us officials knew it was not american technology. He said there was worry. Among intelligence and military officials that china and russia could be experimenting with hypersonic. Technology has invested heavily in sight. Hyper sonics believing. The technology offers the ability to evade american missile defense technology. China has also developed hypersonic weaponry and included it in military parades. If the phenomena were chinese or russian aircraft that suggest the two powers hypersonic research has far outpaced american developments in what encounter strange objects like a spinning top movie against the wind appeared almost daily from the summer of two thousand fourteen to march twenty fifteen high in the skies of the east coast. Navy pilots reported to their superiors that the objects had no visible ingen or infrared exhaust plumes. But they could reach thirty thousand feet and hypersonic speeds lieutenant ryan graves and f. A eighteen super hornet pilot. Who was with the navy for ten years told the new york times in an interview these things would-be out there. Every day and with speeds had other pilots observed he said twelve hours in the air at eleven hours longer than we'd expect in two thousand fourteen as super hoard pilot had a near collision with one of the objects and an official mishap report was filed. Some of the incidents were recorded video as well. Now what are st- hyper sonics. This is from two thousand and nineteen also with the washington post the russian military and fridays that it had deployed a hypersonic weapon that flies at super fast speeds and can easily evade missile defense systems. American officials said they had little doubt that the russians have been working on hypersonic weapons which sit on top of a modified missile. It is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead at speeds faster than three thousand eight hundred miles per hour. Moscow has been working on the technology for years and has invested heavily in it determined to reverse the pattern in the cold war where it was often struggling to catch up with american nuclear weapons systems. If the new sipa system called alvin guard works as putin boasted. When he described the weapon a year ago it would enhance moscow powerful nuclear force hypersonic weapons fly extremely fast and can maneuver along unpredictable trajectories. Making them extremely difficult for current system to track much less suit shootout senior administration officials and military officials said the united states plans to deploy. Its own hypersonic. Weapons by twenty twenty two but some experts believe the schedule may prove optimistic. So here's what we're looking at. We are looking at a possible weapons technology from china and russia that outpaces our old weapons technology or it could be aliens. We you know. Items razor oxfam's razor is the Idea that the simplest solution is probably it and you know for a whole lot of people. Simple solution is it's china and russia. The problem is for other people. It's well some of this. Technology is is. It defies the laws of physics. The simplest explanation is aliens. I don't know that comes razor. Gets you to aliens. There's clearly something going on out there. The navy's acknowledging. What i find so funny is the number of people rushing to say. It's got to be the aliens now you know. I am in the camp and have been for awhile that the chinese have spent the last twenty or thirty years stealing our intellectual property. I have a hard time believing they've been able to come up with stuff on their own. Part of me also wonders if still we've got secret technology that the navy and the airforce don't know about and is it be revealed that that's a possibility as well I suspect that. We're not gonna get any conclusive answers. And we're going to be conspiracy theorizing for a long time. I just find it very unlikely. That a little green men. And i stay little green in a aliens. I i find it highly unlikely that it's going to be alien technology. The since would people think of aliens. It's people from another planet now. Angels and demons. Maybe so but i find it more likely that it is terrestrial that it is china it is. Russia is the united states itself. There are variety answers. I suppose there could be. But if you're a conspiracy theories looking you just you're gonna you're gonna wanna find something. People want explanations for things they don't understand in for some people it's conspiracy for some people. It is aliens for some people. Is china russia. Maybe it's multifaceted. Very interesting is that the pentagon rushed out or i should say the new york times rushed out. Initially say it's not aliens. it's not aliens. And there were a number of people. Prominent people by the way who came out and said This sounds like the pentagon is pushing us very rapidly to believe that it's got to be china and russia that they don't want us to believe its aliens. Maybe that's the conspiracy. Is that if it is aliens. They don't want us to believe its alien. See see how you could go in circles adele rambles on this other. People are suggesting. And i think there's probably some truth to this that they're rushing this out. They're making this big deal. They're saying it could be technology from other countries. We're so far behind please. Congress please please please give us more money. Never underestimate the pentagon's willingness to be more money now What i think about it is this. There's kind of the that's the way land for you. Let me tell you what. I think about it If aliens there's nothing we can do about it. I don't think we're going to be going to other planets anytime soon. We're not even going to go to mars anytime soon. Let alone alpha centauri. I also think probably not aliens because the speed of light etc etc More likely than not there are some things that seemed to be impossible. One of the descriptions of of one of the entities was. It was a element. Let me just read this to you. Officials briefed other reports also examined video. That shows a whitish. Oval object described as a giant tic tac about the size of a commercial plane encountered by two navy pilots in two thousand and four in that incident. Pilots reported interaction with the craft which lasted for several minutes. At one point the puled away. One of the pilots david flavor said in an interview with time it accelerated like nothing i've seen before. What are these objects. Apparently descended from eighty thousand feet to hover over the surface of the ocean and then took off accelerated upwards of thirteen thousand miles per hour and made a right turn like a right angled turn. I don't know what that is and just based on aerodynamics of the like i think it'd be kind of impossible I i don't. I don't know i'm just. I'm i'm perplexed and everyone else's perplexed and i do think it's easier to say china and russia. I do think it's easier to say it's an american Operation that the navy and the airforce still don't know about i think it's easier saints angels and demons then someone from another planet. What i do know is that the report is going to be inconclusive. It's going to raise more questions than answers and we live in a conspiratorial age. Where a whole lot of people are going to want to extrapolate and demand and ask questions then what they're gonna do but what's more important. It is i suspect. I got a sneaking suspicion what we're going to find is that much of the american media would prefer to spend the next few weeks focusing on whether or not it was. Ufo's then an accounting for their screw ups over covert and the lab week. They're pushing back hard on this now. To the point that the politico has a story that if you even question dr fauci. You're undermining science to have you with me here So my buddy. Joe is texting me and says what if this is the pentagon Play naive so that the russians and the chinese the we haven't figured him out That could be what if soiling green is people to Or what if the jews are trying to do something with giant space lasers we need marjorie taylor green to fill. What's going on that that. That could be a possibility as well. Now i gotta. I gotta spend a moment here on on the couch. East of this is actually. I want to spend time for. Jonathan chait who is a progressive very much though does not like christian conservatives doesn't like them but occasionally has thoughtful self-aware pieces. Let me read you this as we sift through the lab league debacle. The good news is that the antibodies of the system are still strong enough to overcome the group thing that produced the original error news media are investigating a hypothesis. They want dismissed. And the government has announced an investigation defy the truth. The bad news is that the problem is turning out to be worse than initially seemed worse. Still the source of the failure is not going away. The implications of this episode are much broader than understanding the source of the pandemic. It is a question about whether institutions like the media and government can withstand the pressure of ideological conformity a recent washington post story looking back at the government's response to the viruses organization reported that many officials refuse to explore the lab hypothesis because it was associated with right wing politics for soviet officials. Who were privately. Suspicious of the wuhan lab. Trump's in navarro's they'll be peter navarro's comments turn the lab league scenario into a fringe conspiracy theory. The post found it became nearly impossible to generate interest among health experts. It a hypothesis. That trump is turned into a political weapon. They said this is jay here. Say this is an extremely damning damning admission health experts who understood all along that it was entirely possible. The virus emerged from a lab simply refused to examine the hypothesis because it become associated with the likes donald trump catherine even writing in vanity fair's written a lengthy expose drawing out the failure detail. One state department official wrote that his team had warned was warned not to investigate the origins of the pandemic. Because it could open a can of worms miles you. The state department's principal china's strategist tells. Even anyone who dare speak out would be ostracized after former. Cdc had robert redfield said he believed the virus were originated in the lab till i was threatened in ostracized because i proposed the hypothesis. Here's gathered even herself on this. Peter dash was involved in what appears to be manufacturing. A scientific consensus through an early article in the lancet in which he sort of stage managed it with a lot of people who work for him and that he pays Who were co signers on that statement but in fact at this point you know I wouldn't say that there is scientific consensus. And i think the people who say they know where this came from Probably don't know what they're talking about. I mean when. I investigated the loudly question and the wuhan institute of technology There is smoke coming out of every single window. You know but what i set out to do. As an investigative journalist is just track what happened to the legitimate questions that were being asked not the conspiracy theories and that was lot of the reporting to to to strip those away but what happened to the legitimate questions of credible doubters who looked at this fact pattern and said wait. A second doesn't deserve an equal investigation. You would think so but let me read you this from politico. This is a quote from catherine corn bluff. She's a senior fellow and director of the gm f- digital at the german marshall fund of the united states. Get out of this targeting. Dr fauci erodes trust in scientific institutions and makes them seem partisan just as universities are increasingly seen as partisan the the media the bureaucracy. These strategies don't have it easy response. You try to ignore them with her not that widespread and even if you eventually refused them at qassim he said she said the best strategy which the white house and fau ci seem to be taking is to push ahead with an alternate position narrative and action in this case around. Vaccinations targeting thao she erode trust in scientific institutions and makes them seem partisan. Is it that or is it that th ouchi makes them seem partisan speaking of i don't remember within that redacted but there i mean the idea i think is quite far fetched that the chinese deliberately engineered something so that they could kill themselves as well as other people. I think. that's a bit far out. John he doesn't think the chinese people. The chinese who are capable of driving abortion vans rally country and in killing children. Do you know what the chinese policy on nuclear war is that there are more of them than of us and so they would withstand and survive a nuclear attack and we would not going back to mazi dung. The institutional theorizing of china in nuclear war is that. Let's just have one because there are so many of us. Even though hundreds of millions of chinese would die we'd still have people and we could exterminate the americans that literally was the thinking of china. The thing of a country like that is the same thing of yeah. Let's experiment on this virus and get it out there and see what happens now. I don't think it was an intentional leak. But it wouldn't surprise me all that. They were experimenting on a virus. Even spice i. There's a story out today that they're trying to splice together the genome of a monkey and a human. What's the worst that could happen with that. I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. I could have told you it was all a scam. Where will the rage be. You know there will be rage. You know what i know it. Everybody knows it. And nothing's gonna get done. Joe biden is privately telling lawmakers not to expect much on reparations legislation. this is from politico. He was blunt about racism probably more blunt than any president before him in his remarks commemorated one hundred years since the tulsa race massacre tuesday. He called out how through the years. There have been members at elected office. Who were very public about. Their association membership with the kkk said corey bush of missouri. He set up the seat in his speech to take us into what was happening at the time. That was really powerful. I was glad to hear it but some attendees noted what they considered a glaring omission. Any mention of reparations for the survivors of the massacre and their descendants. Some of whom have sued the city and state for compensation and a full throated endorsement of hr forty which would create a commission to study reparations. The bill passed into the house. Judiciary committee in april for the first time since it was introduced in nineteen eighty nine as a candidate biden said. He supported a commission on reparations. But they've yet to actually endorse the bill. After speech tuesday the president met with the members of the congressional black caucus who brought up the need for hr forty which is named after the forty acres and a mule. Promise that symbolizes the lack of support formerly enslaved people receive funding from the federal government according to those involved in the conversations biden. Let them down gently. He's not going to go with reparations. there are a couple of problems for the democrats that you need to understand and one of the biggest ones is reparations. is actually unworkable. Who gets reparations. How're the reparations. Worked out how are they paid. Who has to pay them. Is that the federal government on behalf of everyone will why do immigrants to this country. Recent immigrants have to be covered. Why do people whose families were part of the confederacy have to pay him. Why can't families who lost loved ones in the union army in the civil war. Be exempted from them. None of it's workable in fact in evanston indiana. They've tried this. It was much praised by the american media and now the black residents of evanston indiana are very upset about it. This is from nbc news. Three months ago the city of evanston illinois where priscilla giles a retired teacher of english as a second language was born and raised approved. The first local reparations program in the country the city announced its first phase would play black evanston residents who experienced housing discrimination. Twenty five thousand dollars in the form of home. Improvement costs down payments and closing cost assistance and mortgage payments since giles's black lived in the city from nineteen nineteen nineteen sixty nine. She's automatically eligible but she's reluctant to apply because it's not reparation she said. And that's for sure. Hundreds of black residents have rallied behind the online group. Evanston reject racist reparations to demand the program. Be paused reevaluated. Meanwhile conservative nonprofit judicial watch project. I'm fair representation at threatened legal action so black residents of the city aren't happy by the way. They're paying for the reparations by taxing marijuana sales and some local officials an activists say reparations can only come from the federal government residents opposed to evanston plan. Say it puts too many restrictions on how they can use the money winners. Kit use the housing assistance because it's only for current and future homeowners. The opposition from one person started when she contacted her broker about purchasing a home using the allocated twenty five thousand dollars. she learned. It wouldn't be enough to cover standard down payments on an average price home which is currently around four hundred thousand dollars in evanston another problem residents point. How's that because banks and real estate companies would have involved the program privileges institutions. That have historically been the agents of discrimination. So they're not happy. You can't win with them. Can't win with them. Biden is against the reparations program as well people are losing their mind on this. It's just a little bit silly. It's just a little bit odd. It's just a little bit too much for most people swallow. There are a whole lot of white people out there who do not view themselves as a race. This is another problem. See white people to not to vote on their race and they're told by critical theorists that it's their privilege to not do that. See the general. Thinking is personal for black person. Who's been in prison for a hispanic person. A hispanic person will vote for a black person by person for hispanic person with those candidates available and wolf vote for a white person. The person's the oppressor but a white person to secure. They'll vote for an indian american. They'll vote for a black person. They'll vote for hispanics and this is how you explain. White people voting for marco rubio or nikki. Haley or bobby. Jindal or tim scott or or you name it. That's how the critical theorist rationalized when white people start viewing themselves as race as the critical theories insist. They must what's going to happen. They're going to vote for white candidates who are opposed reparations. This is the logical consequence of playing the racial reparations game but also playing the critical theory game. it's really important. You understand vis aspect of it if a white person is forced by progressives to view themselves as a white person. Not you individually and me. I can't view myself as eric. Erickson of talk radio show host but have to view myself as a white person who's privilege to be able to take a job in radio where other white people will listen to me because talk. Radio is a white person job. If i view myself as a white person as opposed to just me. I'm eric erickson. i'm a husband father. I'm a talk radio. Show host of the lawyer and in seminary a i. I go to church christian view myself as myself and how i define myself based on who i am and what i do but i got define myself based on the color of my skin. That's what critical theorist what will guess what more white people will start voting in the interests of the white community and there are more white people than there are black and hispanic people and the other problem. Is that the longer this goes on. Hispanic people view themselves as white and so that adds to the number of white people in an ultimate blows up in the face of the progressives and it is increasingly crazy nonsense now. Here's this is a side note here. bar wiseass. Who's been doing amazing work on this. She chronicle the other day. And i didn't have time to get to it. The increasing tribalism with medicine. Now you know. The journal of hospital medicine is out apologizing for using the phrase tribal that it was a micro aggression. They did not intend. They're very sorry they used it. Yes they're policy is using the word tribal in medicine the psychiatrist together. The the surgeon stay together the n. T. stay together and their tribes that the word is apparently pejorative racist. You're not supposed to use it. Well there was a talk at the yale. School of medicine child study center. A new york-based psychiatrist gave the talk as part of grand rounds ongoing program in which clinicians and others fueled lecture students and faculty and the talk was called the psychopathic problem of the white mind. Here are some quotes from the lecture that was given to yale students quote. This is the cost of talking to white people at all the cost of your own life as they suck you dry. There are no good apples out there. White people make my blood boil. I have fantasies of unloading revolver into the head of any white person that got in my way buried their body and wiping my bloody hands as they walked away relatively guiltless with abouts in my step i did the world and efi favor white people are out of their minds and they have been for a long time we are now in a psychological predicament because white people feel that we are bleeding them when we bring up race they feel we should be thanking them for all they have done for us. They are confused and sore. We we keep forgetting that directly talking about racism waste of our breath we are accepting a demented violent predator who thinks they are a saint or a superhero to accept responsibility. It ain't going to happen. They have five holes in their brain. It's like banging your head against a brick wall. It's just not a good idea. We need to remember the directly talking about race to white people as useless because they are at the wrong level of conversation. Addressing racism assumes that white people can see and process what we're talking about. They can't that's why they sell demented. They don't even know they have a mask on white people that's their actual face. They need to get to know the mask. This is an actual clinician a forensic psychiatrist psychiatrist and psychoanalyst. Arruda kilani who spoke at the yale school of medicine and is a graduate of the yale school of medicine and spoke now. katie herzog. Who yesterday wrote a piece about tribalism with medicine interview. Dr lottie and this is one of the most bizarre pieces of this. I i want to read you some of this interview. Here's kerr zog of how this is picked up all aspects of culture. How do you see the after effects of colonialism manifesting itself in the white mind today again. This is hers. Augustine here is dr colony or colonies. Answer this is bizarre. Are you ready for it. I i don't know that you can handle this. How do you see the after effects of colonialism manifesting itself in the white mind today. Here's the answer. It's going to be hard for me to give you a one. Senate sound bite on this. But i would say a high level of guilt. I've never seen anything like this before other than in white people not eating bread. An incredible level of shame feeling really exposed all the time a lot of perfectionist tendencies. Not letting themselves move forward experiencing themselves as a passive lot question so you think this is the effect of history answer. I don't think it's an effective history. I think it's the effect of telling the lie if you commit these acts. I don't think anyone is going to slap you in the future. What got passed along. Were these lies about what actually happened. And who's lies or internalize and become part of the culture. What lies specifically. Are you talking about well. One lie would be that anytime white people say they discovered something anytime they steal something. They use the word discovery. She like food like culture. The country that's part of the rhetoric. We discovered the country. You have discovered beep but this idea is everywhere. Look at food. Bloggers were like invented something new. And you're like oh you added flaky salt and a quick parsley everything. Stolen herzog asks. it does. Seem like you generalize a lot about white people but also people of color. What do you do that. Why do you feel it's generalization. Well like white. People have in a high level of guilt or not eating bread. It's true for some people for sure. But i eat bread. You asked me for. What is the unconscious. I think the unconscious is coming out right now. Between you and i this idea that i'm the one that generalizing is. I think a defensive reaction to my talk about whiteness. you feel put on the spot. And so i'm the one this generalizing this idea that i'm doing. Generalized is defensive. Do i really believe on some level. Every white person is racist. No clearly i have one percent left of that frigid group. Kilani means is. She has unprinted oliver white people friends except for small handful but she believes that white people don't eat bread friends. I wish i didn't eat bread. My goodness but i love bread. A cake cake is delicious bread but this woman actually believes that white people don't eat bread. She believes that white people are a menace. And she believes when you question her on this that you're unconsciously racist for questioning her assumption even if you eat bread this is the sort of madness dealing with the world right now. This person is a policymaker. It is insanity and i delight in pointing out the insanity of these people to you. We should all delight in pointing out. These are the insane people because they're the ones who are leading the opinions of the guilty white elite who want us all feel bad for somehow being white when none of us even care and don't really even see race and just wanna get on with our life. We should point out there kind of nuts. I should also point out to you. The eden pure air purifier. Which is awesome. It's not nuts. It is amazing and it has filterless. You do not have to change the filter in this thing. That's great. i've got a massive air purifier. That i bought that. Has these three massive. Filters that i've discovered how expensive they are dear. God i'm getting ripped off not with though. It is brilliant. You can fit this thing in your hand you can plug into the wall. You can use a usb cord to plug it in. You can put it in your car your bedroom e even why odors this is the thing. 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Out y'all i. I have continually this this kitty herzog interview with this. This new york clinical psychiatrist. I got this is. This is the funniest part of it and i didn't get air before so her saag go to this thing about being conservative and liberal and and heard lexus. I'm not a conservative. No the clinical psychiatrist has asked if she was one and she's li- asked because i think conservatives are psychologically healthier interesting says her dog who is not a conservative. The psychiatrists continues. They're more. They're more in touch with their anger and negative feelings. They can articulate it. they can say it. they're not covering it up like. Oh my gosh. i'm amazing. I love all people. There's not all this liberal fluff of goodness conservatives can go there they can say things that are uncomfortable and i think liberals should shirk at or move away from or deny i would feel. This is the this is crazy. Psychiatrist who believes white. People don't eat bread. I would feel more comfortable hanging out with ann. Coulter that a lot of liberals because she's unlikely to do anything. She's in contact with her anger and hatred. I think that needs to be worked through. Don't get me wrong for the country to heal. But she's actually in contact with those feelings that a lot of people can't say out loud and that's a safe space now. Do i agree with her. No but liberals have no access to that. All the thought is forbidden. What she's really getting at here that she is smart enough to understand is that conservatives have a greater understanding and appreciation of humanity. We're not blank. Slates like russo and marks with the people are. We're not blank slates conservatives. Understand people are falling. Were senators to give the the christian articulation. We're sinners we all fall short. We know this and so a group of sitters charge of you as a bad thing. That's why you should support small government. You want a few centers in charge you as possible and conservatives can speak to that in ways liberal because liberals identify people as parts of groups and believe they're all blank slates in imposed on them. No we are all like sheep gone astray. donald trump is hitting the campaign trail. He's going to do campaign events in alabama for mubarak's he's gonna do the north carolina republican party this weekend the media of course salivating. It's so funny to watch the media. Say that they never hear from the guy again. Oh by the way he's going to be your. We're going to carry it live. Yeah okay. i'll get into that but there's a subject i've wanted to talk about all week and other things that push it off in now. I am going to go where others fear to go. I'm going to go where angels fear to tread. I'm going to go to talk about a topic. Some of you don't even care about. But i promise you will care about it because it's happening to you i'm talking about. Are your phones listening to you. A great many of us myself included seem to think our phones must be listening to us. My sisters and i had this encounter awhile. Back i middle sister was texting my older sister and me and at one point said Gosh she could not go to sleep. She was tired and then suddenly. She got ads for sleeping aids. And then i forget what else she said in the course of the conversation but then she started seeing ads for that and we all thought it was funny. And gosh i guess they really are snooping. My mother-in-law was on a flight to arizona. I guess two years ago now bought a cheese tray on delta and got on the wifi for the plane. Or i guess actually. She came back home and started seeing ads for that cheese. They seem to be snooping on us. Now your social media apps and your phones are not actually listening to you. And that is a conspiracy theory it is actually thoroughly debunked to just think about it Think how much many revelations have come from apps on your phone. We know from from whistleblower stories that they're trading data. They're not supposed to know. Facebook is mad at apple because apple is making it even harder for them to use data off your old. We know they're trying to spy on you. But if they were listening to you that would have been uncovered by now. There are so many people out there convinced of it. They would have found the proof and they have. It found the proof. It's very much like Aliens probably don't exist because cellphone. Technology has gotten so good and cameras on phones have gotten so good and everyone has a camera in their pocket of high quality and yet the pictures of the. Ufo's are still crap so they're probably not real but Robert reid who is a technologist had a twitter thread At the end of may. I've been meaning to talk about it. I haven't gotten time to talk about it and he highlights some of this. I want to really summarize. I want to give him credit for inspiring me to do this. He is definitely of the left. A puts his pronounced twitter bio. But it's still worth talking about for a minute as more and more people for example you upgrade your iphone now and you're starting to get questions about. Do you want this app to track you. Do you want this app to be able to display relevant ads by giving your information things like that and say no to all of them don't don't if you have an iphone and you've updated it to the latest operating system every time you open an app for the very first time is gonna say. Will you allow this app to track us now. If you're an iphone user android doesn't do this because google depends on it Android does this because android depends on these ads. What you can do though is you can go into your iphone if you were on iphone. Ios fourteen point five or higher. If you go into settings in scroll down to the third block that begins with general at the bottom is privacy if you click on privacy. The second line says tracking and there's an allow apps to request to track. And you can turn it on or you can turn it off and if you turn it. All on the individually apps can ask you to allow them to track their only two apps. I have allowed to track me. Instagram major league baseball. Because i'm okay with major league baseball. Track me In silly me stuff in the stands and realizing that i don't like bush products so please stock miller lite but also I instagram. I have felt amazing vendors on instagram through their ads. And so i'm okay with tracking even though i realized facebook is gonna get it because facebook owns instrument. But let me explain to you. What's actually going on because a lot of you are convinced. Now you're convinced that your folder listening to you. They don't need to listen to you. And i want to explain to you. Why in just how. Invasive these companies have become. And how your privacy is being exploited do any of you have the discount upc Barcode things that you take to the grocery store kroger hasim ingles hasim public has them and they're designated to give money to local schools based on your savings Everybody's got them. You've got a costco card. You've got a sam's club card. You get a bj's card all of these things those companies track your purchases and they most of them sell the data so when you go to your local kroger and you buy a bunch of stuff. That stuff is tracked by your bar. Code number by your shopping saver card number and that data is sold and facebook is the big purchaser of this google. Here's the other thing. do you have a router. And this explains my sister's situation When we're talking late at night one night and she's talking about not being able to sleep in their servant her ads for Sleeping bills and then the other ones. Why and i do believe. Do you have the router supplied by your cable company or your phone company like i. I've got a. I've got a a cable company modem. Actually i bought my own. I don't want them to have it And i've got my. At and t. Won't let me use my own wireless router gotta use the. At and t. router. They monitor the traffic through those routers. Where you're going on the web. And they sell that data. That data is sold by your cable and phone companies. There are general parameters that are up for sale so the these companies no so they also know for example. Let let me let me explain another one. That happened the other night. So philip who worked for me. He was sitting on my front porch David my kennedy does. My books was with us. And philip was talking about being at his in laws and plane. the Christian version of what is a crime to get cards against humanity cards against humanity. Is i love the game ear. Horrible person for planet. I admit i am. It's a fun game. But they were playing christian Cards against humanity version or some such and the next day david the account it sawn ad for the game that he's like i i guess the fulcrum it listening to be no. They're not let me explain what happened. There philip went to his brother's inlaws family's house. The family use their credit card probably and bought that game somewhere and that went into the repository of advertising philip with to their house. The social media giant's could register that philip was at their house based on how close their cell phone door to each other because the cellphone companies sell the tower data. So they've built up a network. They could tell that. Philip was there. They could tell that phil brother was there. They can tell it. Filled brother's wife was there and phil's wife was there the in laws were there they could tell the in laws had bought this game philip at not bought this game and then the next night. Philip is with me and david on the front porch andy. His brother shows up We're all there together. Filippini andy had been at the house the night before. Well guess what. Maybe there's a reasonable presumption. Maybe since they were all there together and they hung out for so long they were clearly having a social event and so clearly. They were doing something in the advertisement. Maybe they play this game. Let's now show this ad to all these other people. It would have showed up whether we had talked about it or not. Because they're presumption is that yes. We probably did talk about it. And maybe to bolster the case. Maybe someone googled that card game so therefore you're confirmed that there was an interaction and so the people the next day that philip interact with. They're all going to start seeing this ad because he was there. They don't need to snoop with your phone because they've got your wifi data. They have your cellphone data. They have your shopper card data. They have your credit card data they have all of the data and then they build a network of your friends based on your cell phone and your data they can tell who you've been around and they can tell how long you were with that person and where you were. They add all of this data up and they could build a psychographic profile of you. This person likes to fish. They've been on a lake. They've been in a river. They've gone to fishing supply doors. We're going to start showing them ads for athletic gear. We're gonna start showing them ads for fly fishing. We're going to start showing them ads for anything related to they built this massive network of data and only now are companies like apple stepping up. And letting you out of some of it but they've already got your profile that these ad companies already have your profile. You can't undo that you can minimize further risk. But you can't undo that what apple's with his privacy feature now is it's telling them preemptively the stopped following this person around the internet and stop grabbing their data. You're not allowed to grab their cell phone data anymore. you're not allowed to grab their wifi. Did in more from us. They're still gonna grab the wifi data from the router company. You're able to go out and buy a router separate from your cable. What your cable company provides or your phone company provides your phone company or your cable company had provided your wireless modem. They're more than likely selling that data. Google facebook so google and facebook nowhere. You're going on the internet in real time or shortly thereafter. Because it's all being sold to him if you use a shopper discount card they know if you use a credit card they know if you go to target you buy a bunch of stuff with a credit card. They're going to know what you bought. That's how pervasive this is so people have gotten into conspiracy theories listening to you. Let let me now read you some of the threat from robert reefs. I'm back from a week at my mom's house and now i'm getting ads for her toothpaste brand the brand. I've been putting in my mouth for a week. We never talked about the brand or googled it or anything like that as a privacy tech worker. Let me explain how it happens. First of all your social media apps aren't listening to you. This is a conspiracy theory has been debunked over and over again but frankly they don't need to because everything else you give them unthinkingly as way cheaper and far more powerful. Your apps collect a ton of data from your phone. Your unique device. Id your location. Your demographics data aggregated paid a polling data from everywhere. Would i use my discount card or the grocery store every purchase. that's data for sale. They can match. My grocery store purchases to my twitter account. Because i gave both these companies my email address and phone number and i agree all the data sharing when i accept the terms of service of the privacy policy. Here's where it gets truly nuts though if my phone is regularly in the same location as another phone. They take note that they start reconstructing the web of people. I'm in regular contact with the advertisers cross by interest in browsing history and purchases street to those around me. It starts showing me different ads based on the people around me friends families coworkers. It'll serve me ads for things. I don't want but no someone i'm in regular contact with might want them to subliminally. Get me to start a conversation about. I don't know toothpaste. It never needed to listen to me for this. It just compared aggregate meta data. The other thing is this is just the opening tons of people report on this. It's just nobody cares. We decided our privacy. Just isn't worth it. It's a losing battle. We've given up too many of ourselves already. The new york times studied. This here's a quote. We spotted a senior official of the department of defense walking through the women's march. His wife was also at the march that day something. We discovered after tracking him to his home in virginia. So they know my mom toothpaste they know i was at my mom's they know my twitter account they now. I get twitter ads for my mom. Toothpastes your data isn't just about you. It's about how it can be used against every person you know and people you know to shape behavior unconsciously apple's latest lets you block tracking and facebook's mad about it. Facebook is begging you to press except and go back to business as usual block. All of these apps adds. It's not just about you. Your data reshapes the internet. The internet is never going to be the wacky place. It was when we have live journal and people were sharing mitre gifts. Big businesses has come to suck the joy out of it and make it so. Make it hard for them. They're tracking everything you do. Everyone you come into contact with and following you around grocery store to grocery store two gas station to airplane. They've compile all the data. Your privacy should be yours but one of the benefits of it. honestly. If i'm honest about it is now the advertising can get you and you can find small businesses. You would have never heard of ing it really cool things. The offside is they also know when you're in the bathroom sitting there for a while and you're gonna start seeing toilet. Paper adds yesterday. I mentioned a group of. It's a nonprofit headquartered out of atlanta. I wanna plug him one more time. My birthday was yesterday and every year for my birthday. Try to highlight a prophet. I personally support and try to encourage you to do it as well And i did. I've done a lot of questions from people about something i said. I am fascinated by the phenomenon. Philip and i were watching the hockey playoffs last night and We were talking about a little more. There is a recurring the bill karachi. Who has died now He was a great Great evangelical. He had converted to christianity from islam. From pakistani worked for ravi zacharias international ministries And he wrote a great book you should read seeking finding. Jesus devout muslim encounters christianity And he talks about his Conversion and he tells us some just e e interesting stories there but also a now he sadly passed away. We were supposed to get together in meet a couple of years ago and he got was diagnosed with cancer. Very late stage in any passed away But he has talked about these stories and there are plenty other books out there. It is really just wild from morocco. Indonesia across the islamic world the number of people who have dreams about jesus. They've got no encounters with the bible no encounters with christianity and they start dreaming about this guy and they convert christian without ever having. I come into contact with the bible or christian. It is remarkable. You can go online and find stories. There are books written about him to bill crush as a great book. On seeking olof jesus how he converted As an is a muslim. And what happens in a lot of these people are murdered. You announce you've embraced. Jesus as your lord xavier you get murdered by your own family in the middle east so this organization in atlanta called. Help the persecuted. is dedicated to helping those people who have converted to christianity in the middle east and elsewhere china included and help them either. Survive or escape Provide them the resources they need to get on their feet. And i love the organization Josh yousef who runs it is actually a friend of mine. We were in seminary together. Reform the illogical seminary and the work that he does going to the middle east building. Safehouses the money you give to. The organization goes to fund safe houses of the middle east To protect recent converts to christianity. And i just. I can't speak highly enough of the organization and its work and hope that you might join me in supporting them by texting the word donate to three three seven seven seven. You will get back a link and with that link you can donate as little or as much as you want but text the word donate two three three seven seven and you will get a link back you click it. You can make the donation on your phone help. The person needed around the world. This is from marissa's schultz said fox. News the oil and gas industry launched a new ad campaign thursday against north face to shine a light on the outdoor apparel companies crazy. Hypocrisy chris right. The ceo of denver-based liberty oilfield services is spearheading the campaign by putting up billboards around north faces denver offices in launching a website and social media campaign dubbed. Thank you north face. The idea for the campaign started after north face denied an order of jackets to a texas oil and gas company reportedly because the popular fleece maker did not want it's outdoor brand affiliated with the fossil fuel business. Now right is trolling the company in denver. By calling out. How many north face jackets backpacks and clothing products are made from oil and gas. There's no chance that north face could exist as a company or organization without oil and gas right told fox on thursday. Fossil fuels are needed to make the petro chemicals that are used in plastics nylon camping ropes and more than north sells oil and gas products fuel. The factories that manufacture the goods and thoughtful fuels are the backbone for shipping north based products. So we're northeast. Apparently shunned the oil and gas industry by refusing to fulfil the jacket order for texas based in ova. Ix rights at the move was the height of crazy hypocrisy. It's like bees shunning honey. Right said northeast. Respond to question the seven. Billboards are going up. Around the denver offices of the corporation the north face parent company one billboard says north fade that north face. Puffer looks great on you and it was made from fossil fuels right. Says he hopes the campaign will spark an honest conversation about the role. Fossil fuels play in the economy as well as climate change which he says israel and maybe driving by the billboards will give north face employs a chance to reflect on how the gas and oil industry makes their lifestyle possible from the jacket. They wear to the kayak. They took out last weekend. Good for them and more like that police. So north face and other companies refuse to do bitty with wherever they want. Christians are the only group of people in this country who are forced to do business against their will. I mean let let's see. Can we be honest about this. Please if a christian business does not want to provide goods or services to get wedding and many states. They'll be put out of business but if a gay person doesn't wanna provide goods and services to a christian organization they're allowed. I remember the ethics and religious liberty commission and this other baths convention tried to get a national clothing manufacturer to allow them to have branded apparel. I've got for example. I got a yeti tumbler. from the. i've got some a nike pull over from the euro. See they had a company. They wanted to make a jacket and the company said no because they're a homophobic organization because they're baptist and the else didn't shame the organization they they went away and said it was their choice. But north face doesn't wanna make jackets for a petrochemical company when it uses the products of the petrochemical company to make the north face products. That my friends really is the height of a bankruptcy. And good for north ace calling out the pharmacy. We need more of this now. A lot of people are wondering What can be done. How can you fight against the stuff. I read an article. And i lost the league to patrick graffiti for divine. Put it out on on social media the other day i lost also the link to it but it made some very good points you know. Nowadays you talk to politicians who are against cancel culture. You say what's the solution. What do you do. They really don't have an introvert. They really don't and this guy and again i apologize. I lost linked to it but he made a couple of points that are worthwhile considering One of them is conservatives should change rights loss now when democrats here that when a lot of people here that they all freaked out by it but just just follow along with be here what i was a lawyer i. I worked at a law firm and we tend to do defense law but we had a lady her name was betty and betty worked for a major manufacturer and betty left to go on maternity leave and when she came back the mainly the the manager of the plant were in she worked welcomed her back with an announcement that betty was back. Welcome her back and congratulate her on her zebra baby. Betty child's father was white. This was in the early two thousands and berry with back to work excited and happy and yet she was greeted this way by the way it was true The it wasn't made up. You think the stuff is is made up and We did not have evidence of it at first. She claimed it could be true. She claimed it was true. But had no evidence that it was true and finally A person at the office provided the actual printout of the email that was sent around not only was email god. They had the they literally. They deleted this thing and we were able to prove it was true. It was her word against his or her word against companies. We were able to get a copy of it and they had to settle the case now. One of the things that the client that he was very insistent upon was that it was not a hostile place to work. We originally were going to leave you. File discrimination to you typically. There's a hostile work environment. In a hostile work environment is a very nebulous term. That means people don't like the word here it's unsafe. You feel uncomfortable working there and a lot of people make this claim and it's one of the general claims for filing an appointment lawsuit that you do. It's a hostile hostile workplace in betty. Actually we finally this lawsuit. We let her read. She was adamant she's like i love working there. I would work through. The rest of my life is not what this guy is bad and what he did was bad but no it's not a hostile workplace and she just was very adamant that she didn't wanna do it. Now we wound up doing it on the argument that this guide created a hostile workplace. And she was okay with that. Pity the guy not the company we did but hustle workplaces very nebulous. What exactly is the hostile workplace. And what are the this. The solutions to going after the woke is to get rid of the definition. Get rid of a hawthorne place claimed because it's a very nebulous claim. Well you know they. They do microaggressions. Like for example. Yesterday the journal of hospital medicine. I mentioned this. They have apologized for using the word. Tribal that after listening to people. We've decided it was a micro aggression and someone replied well. I'm glad they did this way. 'cause intent is irrelevant to microaggressions. In other words it makes me upset. It was bad it created a hostile environment. hostile environment should require intent. Get rid of hostile environments. Get rid of store places as something you can claim and then it somewhat neuters the damage control fortune. Five hundred companies do by making people go through diversity and tolerance trading to get them to stop making hostile environments. The whole reason you go through diversity. Training is so you can learn. What a micro aggression is so. You can stop doing them. So people can't claim a hostile work environment so get rid of the claim of hostile work environment. And you begin to. You won't do it overnight but you will begin the slow roll getting rid of those ridiculous claims about microaggressions the workplace. The other thing this gentleman said is get rid of disparate treatment claims in a disparate treatment claim. You show racism by showing that more white people get to do something than black people. More white people succeed in something. The black people more people passed the standardized math test than black people therefore the standardized mathis must be racist because the asian person is passing. There's no proof racism. There's no intent to commit racism. There really is no racism but because more of this race than that race do better. Therefore that's proof of racism. Get rid of that. So much of woke culture. These days comes from human resource managers. Who feel they have a job. The this guy had amazing data the massive disparity between women and men and human resource departments. There's your disparate treatment. There clearly employers are discriminated against men because there were more women in charge of hr departments really what happened. Let's just be honest. Here is a a bunch of girls went to college and they were convinced that they should take classes in women and gender studies so that they can learn how to become professional victims and learning how to become professional victims by taking women gender studies classes. They realize there's not a place in america they can get a job will. You can't be a welder with a women and gender studies degree. You're you're you can be academic but who wants to be an academic on a low salary. Hey let's let's hire these women out as hr directors so you the hr director ed. She's a feminist. Talks like this and that's not funny. Funny they'll do that and then they police. You'd see all this a desperate impact there. There are more women here that men. But that's okay because it rights or wrongs to alleviate the hostile workforce. That's not funny. Get rid of those requirements. You begin to neutralize. Hr informative owner companies now those fortune five hundred companies have been taken over by the walks. You're not going to get rid of the wilkes overnight. I mean my goodness y'all seen it is a proverbial rainbow of blonde social media. Now the number of american companies that have suddenly because june. I is pride now. I got a question. did they forget. It was also alzheimer's month. And i actually mean that as a joke i did did. Did we just forget. It was alzheimer's month because it's also reiver's month and now suddenly is. Why do the pride month in the alzheimer's month overlap with one another unless they forgot about alzheimer's which i guess is somewhat insulting to the alzheimer's people that they would forget that we're supposed to be alzheimer's month but now we're in pride month. Are we proud of the alzheimer's. I don't get it. But every social media companies changed they got the rainbow flag bagger except not in saudi arabia. Somebody pointed out. They pulled up like mercedes and targeted and not targeted like facebook of the others. That also have offices in the middle east. And i forget which one it was one of the car manufacturers who has middle east office in particular. There's no rainbow logo there. Why aren't you proud. Why is it your rainbow logo in your middle east division on social media because they don't celebrate western pagan holidays in the middle east. Just personally find it. Very funny that The and you know it's all virtue signaling the the rush hour to hour we change ourselves with but bill put it. On the calendar midnight it goes to rainbow. Put it on the calendar midnight on the thirtieth were rolling back for one month. The corporate america goes gay. Just you know it's the hov do this. We don't want to create a hostile work environment. We better signal. Virtue signal raised the virtue signal said of your signaling for batman your sibling for your virtue if you just if you get rid of the claims of hostile work environment and disparate impact. You start to wind this down not overnight but over time you get rid of the two great grievances that have allowed. The woke to thrive that. Oh well more black people. White people are penalized in the system. Therefore it's clearly racist. No not necessarily more. Women are penalized men in the exercise. Challenge for the fire department and the women odd discriminates against me. I can't lift as much weight. Well of course now. The men can identify as women and pass the test and suddenly there's no disparate impact. They're they're not gonna like that when that happens. Get rid of these things. Get rid of this. These are all things from the civil rights act interpreted by courts that have empowered. The woke overtime. Get rid of those things. And over time you neutralize the walks and the human resource department busy bodies of corporate america. It's not a bad idea If you text data to three three seven seven seven you get back. A piece on critical theory on the israel situation but then click on the third linked to my Daily email and you will see at the top when it opens how they know that. And that is the monologue. There's just a you can also subscribe to the podcast of the show In the get it that way tick showed a three three seven seven seven I want to spend just a moment here at the end of the program but no no i. It's the end of the week. I gotta talk about this. I'm i'm sorry. This story is too good not to talk about joe mansions gonna have to wait. And y'all just i'm going to apologize in advance. This is one of those stories. I find hysterical. But i feel like i've got to apologize in advance because of you have kids with you but i gotta talk about the story. I'm just gonna read you the associated press story okay. I've just i've i i will. I will refrain from commentary. I'm just gonna read you. The actual wire service off all my gosh all right all right to this a a new mexico. sheriff who is running for mayor of albuquerque. New mexico was interrupted while on stage at a campaign event by a flying drone with a sex toy attached to it and a man who punched him. bernalillo county. Sheriff men well. Gonzalez's campaign said. The democrat was unharmed and will not be intimidated by flying sex toys. The help kirke journal reported that a video posted on. Facebook shows gonzales answering questions from the audience. While standing on a stage at an event center win the drone bearing the sex toy started buzzy near stage. A sheriff's office report said the owner of the event center grabbed the device and that twenty year old keelan ashby dire unsuccessfully tried to grab it. The report says dire then turned his attention to gonzales. Swinging his fist. In calling him a tyrant a deputy wrote that dryer punched gonzalez hands and was then removed from the event by deputies gonzalez senate news conference on wednesday that he believed dryer was with several companions and spotted someone standing on the other side of the fence who he believed was flying drone it became so distracting from the sound and everything. I couldn't really get my point across. Maybe they misheard six tirana's and thought the sick was something else and decided to fly overhead. Gosh wow i hope. You've been entertained folks. I hope you have this hour of the program. Not this segment of the hour of the program buster by liberty building and loan their newnan georgia. They can help nationwide. If your business needs access to loans six figures in higher reach out to i i the g dot com. They wanna help your business become a big business. They want help. Yes we're banks you're telling you know i liberty a. Dot com thanks to sponsor the program. 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"Soldiers sailors airman of the allied expeditionary force you are about to embark upon the great crusade toward which we have striven these many months the eyes of the world are upon you the hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere march with you in company with our brave allies and brothers in arms on other fronts you will bring about the destruction of the german war machine. The elimination of nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of europe and security for ourselves in a free world. Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained. Well equipped and battle hardened he will fight savagely but this is the year nineteen forty. Four much has happened since the nazi triumph of nineteen. Forty forty one. The united nations have inflicted upon the germans great defeats in open battle man demand. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground are homefront have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war and place that our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned. The freeman of the world are marching together to victory. I have full confidence. In your courage devotion to duty and skill in battle we will accept nothing less than full victory. Good luck and let us all be seeks the blessing of almighty god this great and noble undertaking. I is the danger of Tilleke the belief there is nothing one man or one woman do against the enormous array of the world deal against misery against ignorance or injustice and violent from numerous number lists diverse acts of courage such as the belief that human history is does shake each time a man stand up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes against injustice he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring. Those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance june. The sixth marks a number of significant events in us history yesterday was the seventy seventh anniversary of d day and the fifty fifth anniversary of robert. Kennedy's speech about human freedom to students in south africa. Robert kennedy died two years later to the day. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is monday. June seventh Looking back june. Six joe and those two major events moving forward to yeah i word still overlaid with images of the young men who fought went up the cliffs of normandy and and marched as as i said mom march towards freedom a the freemen of the world are marching toward freedom liberating continent from nazi tyranny. I gotta say that. Two times. I was there to more moving times and the first time on the sixty fifth anniversary. I think talking to those young men who by that time we're in their seventies and early eighties remembering those times and and rfk. We always remember june. The six today. Bobby passed away tragically but it was also a day two years before to the date that he was in south africa and delivered a speech that still inspires today. As you said a speech it's still speaks to us all these years later and of course mak- he his memory still alive and well his spirit still alive and well The inspiration that he provides millions of americans still very much real and with us today. Also mika i've got to say there's a third event that happened on june the sixth as well isn't there. Okay yes yes. it is. My daughter's birthday. I think that's what you're talking about. Yeah twenty-three if you can believe it. I cannot believe it with us. We have white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemaire author of the washington post too early morning newsletter power up. Jackie aluminium's with us and founder of the conservative website the bulwark and author of how the right lost. Its mind charlie sykes. It's good to have you all on board this morning. will you. And if you talk to jonathan on mir would tell you there was a four thing that happened but we're not going to include a red sox we thank. He's in those those other areas jonathan amir. I mean not too far off in terms of historical importance. Joel two. i'll start by being serious by saying i was also at the normandy. Two years ago for the seventy fifth anniversary of that battle when president trump was there. And i was part of the press pool covering that journey and it was beyond powerful. Both my grandfathers were will were to veterans. They both served in europe. One of them had three purple hearts he liked to say the army taught him everything except to learn how to dock and to be there to see the rows and rows of crosses and the sacrifice that all those young men made a truly breathtaking even So long later and certainly someone who grew up massachusetts with pictures of the candidates on the walls. Rfk's words Always carried great weight. And i know his political hero to so many people Joe and yes. I will just note that of course That was a pretty satisfied weekend in the bronx as well for the old town. Okay well when all of that in mind democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia will vote against one of his. Party's proposed federal voting rights bills. I think there's a lot of great things. I agree in that piece of legislation. But there's an awful lot of things that basically don't pertain directly to voting so just to put a button on this. You will vote against that. It gets to the senate floor. I think it's a wrong piece of legislation to bring our country together unite our country and i'm not supporting that because i think it would divide as further in an op. Ed yesterday intervention wrote in part quote. The right to vote is our fundamental is fundamental to our american democracy and protecting that right should not be about party or politics. Least protecting this right. Which is a value. I share should never be done in a partisan manner. Of course some in my party have argued that now is the time to discard such bipartisan. Voting reforms embrace election reforms and policies. Solis supported by one party. Respectfully i do not agree. I believe that partisan voting legislation will destroy the already weakening binds of our democracy. And for that reason i will vote against the four. The people act. Furthermore i will not vote to weaken or eliminate the filibuster. It is my sincere hope that all of us especially those who are privileged to serve remember our responsibility to do more to unite this country before it's too late. So what's the strategy there. Joe do you believe. But i think he thinks it's a bad piece of legislation and it's just like what we said last week about the filibuster joe manchin is the one. That's taking this the the slings and arrows right now from the left but there are a lot of other members in the united states senate That don't want to get rid of the filibuster. It just doesn't serve them well in their state to say so publicly. It serves. Joe manchin well on. Hr one we've been saying on the show for some time that hr one was not going to pass. I think it surprised a lot of people that we sat it And also talked about how again democrats in the senate said there. There is a lot of extraneous material in bear that didn't deal directly with the challenges of what's facing this democracy right now that there was a democratic wishlist attached to it that was not directly related again to the challenges. Democrats and really that that america's facing If you go state by state it look at some of the legislation. That's actually allowing legislatures. To the possibly overturn election result sub. And actually the new york times editorial board. I'm not so sure it's is popular in west. Virginia's joe manchin probably not too popular with many republicans. But in annetta to'real friday entitled congress needs to defend vote-counting not just vote casting the new york times editorial board wrote this about. Hr one democrats in congress have crafted an election bill. Hr one that is poorly matched the moment for legislation attempts to accomplish more than is currently feasible felli to address some of the clearest threats to democracy especially the prospect that state officials will seek to overturn the will of voters and that is that is the real danger and these pieces of legislation. If you look in georgia if you look and and taxes where they're able to overturn the will of voters in a catchall phrase. Then that's a problem because the york times goes on and says there is little chance of bill will pass in its current form. Democrats face a clear choice. They can wage. What might be symbolic and largely doomed fight for all the changes they would like or they confront the acute crisis at hand by crafting a more focused bill and it goes on and on. I recommend that you read it Jonathan on mir. this has been a sort of a not so well kept secret on the hill for quite some time but not only mansion but other democrats did not like hr one that it was too expansive. it was too clunky. there was too much thrown into it. It was too much of a wish list that was never going to get fifty votes. Let alone sixty votes at joe. You're right there've been sure which resigned the scenes that emerged the forefront more loudly in recent weeks and certainly mansions op ed sort of put the punctuation mark on it in terms of h. r. one and. There's still some hope that the john lewis act which you know some democrats have said all along should've been sequenced. I would have momentum that there's some possibility there the common ground can be reached and that could be something that could be pushed into law later this summer. but it's not just on voting rights. it's also the filibuster mansion has someone. let's shall we say he is not unhappy with the attention he recognizes. It is politically good for him to be in west virginia to be seen as someone who says no at times to both parties republicans and democrats and when he said he well aware that a lot of democrats are very frustrated with him even though he votes with democrats more than not but his answer to charles schumer and the seminar majority leader and others simply this. Well you're either gonna get me from west. Virginia we're going to get whever replaces me and that's not going to be a democrat. The idea being that he's a democrat. Who can win in that deep red state so therefore you have to compromise with me. He has taken the example of senator robert byrd the legendary west virginia senator who really believed in the rules of the senate that has helped inform mansions belief on the filibuster. But he's not alone. he's well he's willing to be sort of at the forefront to the figurehead of this movement even among democrats to not change or at least not eliminate the filibuster but there are others who quietly have the same reservations and there is not any certainty whatsoever that there are there is enough support even just among democrats forget republicans to have such a fundamental change to such a piece of of senate tradition and that is something the white house it looks to push for it. It's agenda is going to have to grapple with so senator joe manchin is also a key vote if any infrastructure bill is gonna pass and he remains confident. A bipartisan deal is possible i commend the president and senator capito. My colleague from west virginia for continuing work hard. They working hard trying to find a compromise. They've come a long way. I still have all the confidence in the world chris. We're going to get their senator mcconnell the head of the republicans in the senate says that he's one hundred percent focused on blocking the biden. Agenda question aren't you being naive about this. Continuing talk about bipartisan cooperation. I'm not being naive. I think he's one hundred percent wrong in trying to block all the good things that we're trying to do for america. We a lot better if we have participation and we're getting participation. I'm going to continue to keep working with my bipartisan friends. And hopefully we can get more of them. Jackie elementary. What is joe mentioned calculus here and that's something i think that based democratic peers are still trying to figure out as he refuses to acknowledge the reality of what mitch. Mcconnell has explicitly said which is just this past month in may saying that he has his focus from one hundred percent focused on stopping the priorities of the biden administration. And i think that's the frustration. We're going to continue to see from democrats in more public sense of frustration with mansion. He's not so much that has substantive policy issues with the by been ministrations priorities but that she is married to this idea of bipartisanship even during that interview with chris wallace. He very vaguely talked about his issues with. Hr one but really his biggest issue was that there isn't a single republican has signed onto the piece of legislation. I think that there will be more willingness to accept mansions point of view from the democratic caucus if he was providing substantive feedback on policy changes that he wanted but we have yet to see that in terms of infrastructure. There has been some bipartisan movement. Here joe biden is going to be meeting with senator more capital this afternoon. They're going to try to continue to hammer out. An infrastructure deal biden has signified an openness to slimming down. His original package and republicans have increased the number that they've put forward but i think that has them between actually getting deal is far greater than people realize at the moment because joe biden said that he wants all infrastructure investment to be new to represent new federal investments while republicans at what constitutes as new in infrastructure proposal. That they put forward is only three hundred billion of the total nine hundred billion spending. So i think that the bipartisan efforts are there but it really remains to be seen whether you know. Republicans are negotiating in good faith. Oh the democrats as well. Jackie thank you. Donald trump's one time two thousand sixteen campaign manager corey lewin desk conceited over the weekend that donald trump lost the election the trump loyalist also dismissed reports that trump has been telling people that he expects to be reinstated as president this summer. Lewandowski's admitted that it's not legally possible and says the topic has not come up during his many conversations with trump in recent months meanwhile new emails show that in the last weeks of the trump administration then chief of staff mark meadows pushed the department of justice to investigate conspiracy theories about the election that revelation according to the new york times report shows meadows repeatedly asked acting attorney general. Jeffrey rosen to look at claims of fraud in the twenty twenty election. One email requested the doj. Investigate a fantastical theory. That people in italy had used military technology and satellites remotely tamper with voting machines in the us and switch votes for trump to votes for joe biden the times reports. None of the emails show rosen agreeing to open the investigation suggested by meadows and former officials and people close to him said that he did not do. So let's bring in the author of that report justice department reporter for the new york times. Katie benner she's also an msnbc contributor katie. What more can you tell us. I mean are there any laws broken here. I'm not really sure that we saw laws broken. We definitely saw policies violated the justice department context policy with husbands very clear that when it comes to matters enforcement no one from the white house really except for white house counsel is supposed to be talking to the attorney general the justice department and that is in order to keep it from seeming like or keep it from being in reality an attempt by the white house to us investigations into us enforcement as political cudgels against enemies or as political tactics for example to try to legitimize a conspiracy theory that president for president trump won the election. You saw that policy very clearly violated here and then you also sign attempt by the white house to legitimize through the justice department. Some pretty crazy conspiracy theories which is interesting because there was a sense at the end of the administration within the white house as people scrambled. Find a way to say that one. That would be key for the justice department to somehow uses authority. Psa bless these theories and to bless these tactics and say that there was a chance when the justice already determined. There was none that there was a chance that trump one katie mark meadows denied ever sending these What's your response to his denial. You know. I didn't hear you denied them. All i have been told vaguely with. He might not have remembered them but the problem is is that they are in possession of investigators for the house and the senate. So i'm not really sure how that denial squares with With congress possession of his emails with reality. Actually charlie and of course there. They're disconnect charlie with reality obviously inside the white a huge disconnect and a my guide if american democracy was not hanging by a thread. Pretty damn funny that an idiot chief of staff was actually pushing italy gate. A conspiracy theory. That satellite sending man from italy came over and changed enough ballots to elect a president the way by the way anybody rate read a layup flights sunday new york times cover story about the gop tax knows video allen west mocked people who believed in italy gate. And yet here we are. Actually i got to straighten up here. 'cause he's gonna get mad at me. Charlie i saw george laughing at the beginning of this question because it really was so damn dangerous that these people were actually controlling the level of powers in the last several months of the trump administration. Yeah i mean think about what. We're talking about here joe. We are talking about the chief of staff to the president of the united states in the final days of the presidency. Trying to find a way to overturn a presidential election my embracing some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories you can imagine you know. Words fail run out of needed to get back to the source. Delusional deranged crazy. This is the republicans do loop of crazy and they are caught in that every time you think you come up with an idea that is just too lunatic. What happens is you find out that the president of the united states himself is embracing it and then he spreads it out and other people feel the need to act on it and so here. We are on this monday morning. We're talking about the possibility of of italy gate. The president apparently spent time musing about the possibility of being reinstatement. And we actually have explainers saying by the way no you cannot be reinstated as president in august. I mean really. We are talking about this. We're talking about this because these crazy notions had circulating in the white house in the republican party. And you know. As as i've said job just because an idea is fake. And ludicrous does not mean that it is not dangerous and if millions of people believe this it can create more anger more outrage and it can fuel the kinds of things we saw on january six so it's not just one big lie. It's the big line metastasized into new forms and they can be very very dangerous to american democracy. It's the russian a fire hose of falsehood. Which is a very deliberate attempt to spread so many lies and the lies. Don't have to be consistent with each other that you confuse you. Overwhelm and people like me. Laugh at such a ludicrous. Lies thinking nobody would be stupid enough to believe them and well. Actually tens of millions of people do believe them katie. I wanted to just just so so we can educate people that maybe just started watching news over the past five years younger americans. Can you talk about that wall. There was such a solid wall between white house. And the justice department's in the past and if the wall was was broken through it became huge news even on much smaller items in this. I always go back to ninety three. during travelgate. when one or two clinton officials went over and talked to a justice department official about wording of press release my god republicans you would have thought that it was watergate to. It's just something that usually doesn't happen. But with the trump administration all all restraint was done away with and there was a dangerous mixing politics and law time and time again. Yes so to your point. Historically since watergate there has been a really strong wall put in place between the justice department which is the nation's top law enforcement agency and the white house but we saw with nixon's. He was using the justice department to win reelection. He was using the powers of the attorney. General attorney general is helping him and that was deemed very very dangerous for horiuchi of reasons. Not least of which. Because it would erode. The american people's faith that law enforcement the law that the idea that we are all equal under the law was no longer something that we could believe in an america so safeguards were put in place primarily this idea that the white house and the justice department would not work together on something as serious as enforcement as prosecution did not want it to seem like the justice department was being used to grafter political enemies fast forward to the trump era and we saw a president who very clearly did not believe in having that wall. He believed that tourney. Jeff sessions should have stepped in and ended the russian investigation into his campaign and investigations to russia stop. He believed that bill barr have helped more in terms of helping to win reelection in terms of talking about things like voter fraud in terms of spreading fears. That mail in ballots would in fraud. He really felt that the justice department should be his personal law firm an entity that went after his enemies. As we've also seen in leak investigations that houston after people like andrew mccabe and james comey the former head of the fbi also followers enemies so trump did not only did away with that norm he instated a new norm and keep in mind. We had for years of trump so it's not just that he trampled over norms. He kind of stated this new idea that it was okay to politicize law enforcement and national security and we're still living with the reverberations of that today the fact that there are people who do not believe national security assessments over domestic extremism and its root causes is part of that participation in the fact that we have people who believe in conspiracy theories that were debunked by trump's own justice department by attorney former attorney. General bill barr is a result of that politicisation the fact that you can have a rally trump and he talks about the vaccine and says takes credit for it and people will not applaud because they're so convinced not to believe in vaccines. That's also part of that politicisation. So we'll have to deal with that for years to come very well put justice department reporter for the new york times katie benner. Thank you very much Professor of history at yale timothy snyder puts forth this scenario about the two thousand twenty two and twenty twenty four elections quote. I have the cassandra feeling this spring because it is so obvious. We're all of this is heading. President trump tells a big lie that elections are rigged. This authorizes him and others to seek power in extra democratic ways. The lie is institutionalized by state legislation that suppresses voting and that gives state legislatures themselves. The right to decide how to allocate the electoral vote in presidential elections. The scenario then goes like this. The republicans win back the house and senate in two thousand twenty two in part thanks to voter suppression. The republican candidate in twenty twenty four loses the popular vote by several million and the electoral vote by the margin of a few states state legislatures claiming fraud after the electoral count. Vote count that house and senate except that altered count. The losing candidate becomes the president. We no longer have democratically elected government. The big lie is designed not to win an election but to discredit one. Any candidate who tells it is alienating. Most americans and preparing a minority for a scenario where fraud is claimed. This is just what trump tried and twenty twenty and it led to a coup attempt in january of twenty twenty one. It will be worse in january of twenty twenty-five joe i. This is chilling to me. What do you make of that. I think it should be chilling. Everybody to republicans those republicans who actually stood up for democracy on january six then. There were quite a few who voted to support the election for democrats who are obviously very concerned where this is going. And charlie i will say i have been to For too dismissive over the past five years that things could get as bad as they could get. I kept saying we will right the ship Things are going to go in the right direction. You look at the two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen election results. It shows that the american people are going to have a check against this But boy you look at twenty twenty and all of those republicans that we were saying good for them. The the the young guy up in michigan that did the right thing the republicans in arizona that refuse to back down that that that that actually said now you know we lost the election. We've counted the votes. There's no all of those people have been purged by. The republican party are certainly a lot of them have been purged and and said it in our earlier everybody's always talking about these specific provisions in voting right bills about. Oh you got to start voting at one o'clock instead of noon and there aren't going to be as many drops that that's not the stuff that like it steals elections. Democrats will figure out a way around that the parties do the frightening part. That actually makes it possible or those catch phrases where suddenly the secretary of state's not in charge and suddenly you see all these bills passing that will give state legislatures power to go back and actually reverse if if they are of corrupt heart and mind to reverse the election results and twenty twenty four. You know. I would really very much like to say that. These concerns are paranoid and hysterical. But in fact. I don't i don't think that's the case. I mean what we've seen over the last four or five years is the way that the unthinkable becomes the thinkable. And you're you're as you're watching. The republican party morphing all attacking. The legitimacy of democracy is central now to donald trump's politics. If you'll keep staying relevant getting you know back into offices. The republican party is either embracing it or looking the other way. So you ask this. Scenario that the timothy snyder lays out which republicans are going to stand up against that which republicans are going to push back against that. You've named the ones that played a decisive role in twenty twenty. Will they be around in. Two thousand and twenty five will be willing to stand up over the weekend. The governor of georgia was booed at the state convention. The secretary of state of georgia was censured. Everyone who did the right thing and the republican party is facing the possibility of excommunication. So you keep that looking around going well at some point right. The grownups in the party will stand up and they will push back against this No and i think that you've seen this again and again here's the other thing if republicans convinced themselves that the election was in fact stolen. If they believe the big lie then they will rationalize justify anything the next time around. They won't think that they are stealing. The election. day will think that they are stealing it back and at that point you get into this loop. Were each party says that all of our tactics are completely justifiable. By referring to the republicans who clearly have decided that whatever they do at the state level is justified. And by the way. I also think that you're exactly right to focus on this question. Of whether or not legislatures can overturn the popular vote. That's the big flaw of. Hr one he does not focus like a laser beam on the immediate clear and present danger to the elections. That's the issue that i think people ought to be asking. Would they be willing to overturn a clear verdict of the voters to seize power again. And i think that that is not a crazy that is not a far fetched scenario at this point entirely. This is possible for one reason. It's possible because a lot of our friends you you and me lot of relatives. A lot of our fellow travelers over our entire though dot lifetime lot of people that we fought for small government with that we fought to strengthen alliances against russia and china and a lot of these people now and i talked to him men again. I went to church with them for my whole life they are. They're getting new sources from from conspiracy websites across the globe from conspiracy websites across the globe. And they will ask me. What about this italy thing. What about and they they believe it and by the way these aren't local yokels these are people with as i explained all the time advanced degrees. That business majors. They're hedge fund people their lawyers and yet they're believing conspiracy websites and are willing to throw democracy away over it. I continue to be amazed by this. Joe i mean as long as we have seen it as long as many times as we have talked about it. And that's why. I use that term the doom loop of crazy where you have an idea. That is so bizarre. You know that may be it in the far reaches of the fever swamp and then somebody like my pillow. Guy begins to advance it. And you're you're you're tempted to roll your eyes and before you know the president. The united states is or the former president. United states is going. Well maybe that's possible and other people say well we're just asking questions and begin to realize that millions of people believe this. I mean it doesn't matter what my pillow or diamond and soaker. Sheriff david clarke thanks It doesn't even matter what donald trump thinks if tens of millions of people think that donald trump is the legitimate president of the united states. We are in dangerous dangerous place and so whatever we thought was happening back in twenty seventeen when we were worried about fake news or worried about disinformation. Only that has gotten worse. And i have to say that. It's very difficult to cope with the question asking. What do you do when you have. Normally savvy savvy intelligence sophisticated. People were willing to believe this sort of thing you know when the disease has gotten you know as spread the pandemic a pandemic of crazy it we have. We have no treatment and no no vaccine for such a good question. Charlie sykes thank. You will continue to struggle with it here on morning. Joe and still ahead golfer jon. Rahm was leading the field by six strokes. Joe after third of the memorial and then ghezzi yanked from the tournament because of positive covid test. We'll tell you how he reacted to that. Decision by officials plus new york city mayor all candidate. Mayawati is our guest after she nabbed the endorsement of progressive star over the weekend. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. Welcome back some of the other stories. We're following that are making headlines. This morning vice president. Carmela harris has arrived in guatemala for her first foreign trip in office. The vice president will meet with leaders from the northern triangle. Guatemala honduras and el salvador. She will also meet with mexico's president on finding solutions to the root causes driving mass migration such as poverty and crime with just over two weeks ago until the democratic primary for new york city mayor candidate mayawai picks up an endorsement from one of the biggest names in progressive politics new york congresswoman alexandria ocasio cortez announced her support for while on saturday. And maya will join us next hour right here on morning. Joe to the pga. Now where patrick can't lay earn the fourth victory of his tour career winning at the memorial tournament for a second time after besting collin morikawa with a par on yesterday's first playoff hole but some twenty four hours earlier. the notion that can't lay and morikawa would be even vying for the first place. Finish seemed improbable. That's because the tournament appeared to belong to jon. Rahm who pulled away with a six shot lead in saturday's third round that tied the fifty four hole memorial record set by tiger woods but has he walked off the eighteen. Th green brahm was informed of perhaps the only thing that could beat them a positive cova test on monday. The tour notified. Rahm the subject to contact tracing protocols because he had come in close contact with someone who had tested positive. He had tested negative until saturday wanna test came back and he was later confirmed as positive. Raum expressed his disappointment on twitter. Writing in part this is one of those things that happens in life. One of those moments were how we respond to a setback defines us as people and that's true to joe. Well it is. And i mean at first of all i really don't know where our pga golf Commentator retired haas's this morning. He obviously overslept to talk about this. Jonathan mirror that's just heartbreaking. Here's a guy who spends his entire life waiting for this sort of moment he. he's actually. He's tied tiger woods. Fifty four hole record at the memorial and is on his way to victory just man. I'd say double mask me. Triple man's can be. Let me continue playing this thing. It is really heartbreaking. that the same time You know. I think the crowds are going to get bigger for him And you talk about having sympathy of the the the fans and supporters and yes the endorsers I think his great attitude is going to serve him. Well moving forward jo. I'll do my best to phil. Richard haass's sizable golf spikes and stepping on on this. But this what a surreal scene in your heart breaks. Of course it seems like he. He of course handled handed out with class and he said right things about needing to be safe in prioritizing his health and his family's health. I questioned slightly whether or not he needed to be notified. Literally on the course like that So breakdown in front of everyone. It certainly heartbreaking for him and we hope he he will be okay but just search has not seen in a reminder though that much progress also as the country has made extraordinary progress. The country has made in recent weeks because of the vaccine. And we're seeing the return of the big crowds at sporting events. All over the place but still here and it's still going to be a fact of life for sporting events and other things is heartbreaking. Also wondered this week in jonathan whether it was really necessary for the new york yankees to play with paper bags over their heads. These are kids. I think too often. We forget that these are kids The young young man and to endure that type of humiliation night after night after night against your boston red sox i just i thought it was unnecessarily cruel by major league baseball giving paper bags next time they play. Boston did seem like a competitive disadvantage. There joe I will say speaking of crowds. The ones a yankee stadium. They have not fully returned yet. It's still sort of a socially distanced setting they're going to have four capacity in the coming days i'd occasion to beat a game this weekend and i will say the best way to watch again when there. Aren't that many yankee fans around. You and i enjoyed that immensely. We got us as we got the the sweep. Look joe we were talking about it over the weekend. These two comeback wins. There's something there's something there. It's early june. This season a long way to go but this red sox teams a lot of fun and they have playing with a lot of heart. We have a couple of things going also make before your news story. There appears to be a curse that my boys and i bring the red sox when we watch them play where oh and four while in attendance but lemere his voice. Well mirren has voice to an hour in yankee stadium. So in the socks. Go to yankee stadium. Jonathan has to bring the kids there but but the raise man razor just On fire they keep winning. Red sox one game behind blue jays. Your toronto blue jays third place. It's six games out and the yankees. Who would have believed that six and a half games out. It is though you know it is a long season. There's a reason they play one hundred and sixty two games wouldn't surprise me to see the yankees start hitting the ball. They're not hitting right now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the yankees of the top of the end of the season. So way too early to take anything from these standings. us gymnast. Simone biles appears ready for this. Summer's olympic games in tokyo. Now just four to six days away. Biles completed historic weekend in fort worth texas laws night winning her seventh all round. us gymnastics championships title. Which gives her the most wins at the event by any woman in american history. Byles is now tied for the most by any american man or woman. Amazing coming up. John opening sore and wages are up. So why aren't americans to fill those positions. Steve rattner joins us with his charts next on morning. Joe no other major khanna major economies in the world is growing as fast as ours no other major economies gaining jobs as quickly as ours and none of this success is an accident. Our plan is working. And we're not gonna let up now. We're gonna continue to move on now gun reacting to the latest import on friday with us. Now let's bring in former treasury official and morning. Joe economic analysts. Steve rattner and tax policy expert and professor of law at emory university. Dorothy brown so steve rattner. I'm looking through these numbers and here is in contrast is striking Job participation the number of people looking for jobs of fell a last month while job. Openings soared to historic heights. Explain those two things less people looking for jobs last month despite the fact that job openings are at historic highs while jay gave me a great lead into my charts. We had a decent jobs number on friday. Not quite with people. Hope for but better certainly april but the really interesting news is what you just pointed to which has to do with labor force participation and job openings and so what's happening in this economy and what you can see in this chart on the left hand side is that job People looking for work job seekers gradually rose before the pandemic and then as you would expect it plummeted and then as he was also expect it began to come back but what was probably less Logical or less expected was that it then stagnated bounced up and down a little bit and that red circle with the little line down as you just alluded to. Which is that. The number of adult americans looking for jobs. Jobs actually fell by a little bit last month. And then you can that with the chart on the right which are job openings and you can see again a pattern. You'd expect the economy was doing okay. Jobs were job openings. A reasonably high economy falls off a cliff job. Openings plummet economy starts to reopen job openings. Come back and now. They have soared to over eight. And a half million. That is an all time record number of job openings in this country and so the conundrum. Obviously how do you that. How do you explain that less. People are looking for jobs while we have record job openings. Well there are a variety of explanations show and like everything that goes on these days it seems to become somewhat politicized. One explanation is the effect of the three hundred dollars a week of extra unemployment insurance that many americans are getting other people say that there are childcare issues. There are public health issues. Some baby-boomer types have decided simply to retire from the labor force. Leave the labor force depressing the size of the labor force. This is going to be fruitful. Study for communists For a very long time. But let me show you. What the impact of all. That is starting to be on wages. So this looks at just a blue-collar wages in leisure and hospitality among our lowest paid among our lowest pay professions. And you can see that. It was on a trend line to continue to grow to go up from about fourteen fifty to fifteen dollars an hour right before the pandemic and then you can see a dotted kind of extrapolation of where it would have gone in a normal world then the pandemic hits not surprisingly wages fall businesses. Lay off a lot of people hire hire. Fewer people are lower prices or they simply cut pay so wages bounce along the bottom and then you have this phenomenon of a lot of of a lot of job openings. And not so many people looking for jobs and so. It's forced business to raise their wages. And now you're in a situation. Where for a hotel worker for a bar worker for restaurant worker. Not all of them. Obviously but on average they're now receiving wages of about sixteen dollars an hour just under sixteen dollars an hour which is above where they would have been in all likelihood had the economy just stayed on present on present course and speed and the big question is will business. Try to pass these costs along. This is great for workers. Let's not kid ourselves. Great for workers. This is what we want to see happen for workers but it does add to cost for business and we'll business pass these costs long or will they absorb them and one other interesting phenomenon. I want to show you On the politics of all this because it's pretty amazing so this map shows every state on who the governor is whether governor is a republican or a or a democrat and in every state in which republican is the governor except for massachusetts and vermont and we can argue about how much how republican those states are anyway. Every single republican state except those two has decided to eliminate the extra unemployment benefits before the september early september expert expiration. Every blue state blew governor. Blue state has not decided to do that in other just keeping the three hundred dollars a week until it expires at least for now at an early september so this is like many things in life today. This is not become a matter of economic policy. It's a matter of almost become a political philosophy. And when it's all over we're gonna find out how much of an effect these higher unemployment benefits had on jobs versus all the other things that are going on in the joe exactly on the brown. I'm curious and when we look at the reason behind these trends there is debate It does get political but is it possible that many of the reasons are true at the same time. Well i i would say yes. There are workers who are making money but so are. Ceo's that's the chart we also could be talking about right significant pay increases during a pandemic while they're cutting staff. Ceo pay has increased. Then i can talk about the pew research. Study that showed about. Two thirds of unemployed are thinking about what they wanna do going forward. Do they want to go back to the job they had is the job. They had even available for them to go back to or do they want to re examine their field and their occupation and two thirds said they did so we talk about a five point. Eight percent unemployment rate. But it's nine point one percent for black americans and seven point three percent for hispanic americans one point. Eight million fewer women in the workforce and seven point five million overall fewer jobs so this economy is not back for everyone and what a lot of workers have seen during the pandemic is the employer for. It's not necessarily the their employer worked from home. But they were surveilled. They had employers checking up on them. And you didn't necessarily think that was the kind of employees you worked for so yes it makes sense for people to say you know what i don't think i wanna go back there steve rattner. Let's talk about god. Let's talk about The biden administration and We we showed that chart Of the the republican governors leading the benefits expire early. The unemployment benefits expire early The biden administration seemed to send a signal last week that it was not Not overly concerned if republican governors Let that three hundred dollar Extra benefit expire early. I'm curious what your thoughts are on that. Do they believe that will move. More people into the workforce and make Make employment numbers Go even higher. I think if you read through a little bit between the lines but not a lot. And what president biden has been saying He did say a month ago or so ago. After the last jobs report came out and was disappointing that In order to receive unemployment insurance every american should be looking for a job. that's provision. that's not always enforce and it wasn't at all during the pandemic and so it was. I think a signal that the president is saying that people can't simply decide they're unemployed and out of the workforce they have to. They have to be looking for a job in order to get the unemployment insurance. So that's a positive thing. And i i do suspect. Although they haven't really said quite frankly that the biden administration is aware that The difference in how these states behaved is what could well affect levels of employment. And i do think and look anecdotally. I talked to businesses all day every day. Pretty much and to a person they will tell you. It is really hard to find people. And they're and they're having to cut back on some of their sales and production because of that and to the point that was made a second ago it does appear that people are being more choosy about what jobs they take those a survey. I saw the other day that something like half the people who are looking for a job want a job that allows remote work. Well obviously half. The country can't be working remotely. Unfortunately so i think the pandemic has for at least the moment somewhat altered people's views about work in about where they want to go back to work and whether they feel any pressing need to go back and work to work and yes i do. Think the three hundred dollars a week. Plus the stimulus checks plus certain other benefits have played a role in all that professor browns. Jonathan lemaire over the weekend and treasury secretary janet yellen secured commitments from other members of the g. seven about the fifteen percent minimum tax. Of course now though it gets that much harder if such a thing is going to happen in congress to sign off on to. Could you speak about the ramifications about what this what this deal means both globally but also the path ahead for putting it in place here at home and what it could mean domestically. Well i think a minimum tax it's critical to preventing tax havens and preventing american companies from having a bathing avoiding income tax paying paying their. I would say their fair share. And i think president biden. I think securing this abroad is obviously one hundred times easier than securing at home right. We don't see a lot of support. Certainly not bipartisan support. And i don't know if in the senate there are fifty democrats that would support it but the minimum tax. It's critical to stem the bleeding of our tax dollars escaping our borders.

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"We're signing a healthcare plan within two weeks a full and complete healthcare plan. We're going to be introducing a tremendous healthcare plan sometime prior hopefully prior to the end of the month. It's just about completed now over the next two weeks. I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all pre existing conditions for all customers. He told chris wallace at this summer would come in three weeks. You problems existing. Have it already. The president will be laying out some additional. I'm healthcare steps in coming. I would say two weeks. This is all very exciting. Now this is all very exciting. Because you know. Since barrack obama started talking about obamacare the affordable care act friend. Republicans have not put forward a single healthcare plan as party so there has been no effort until this president and we just heard those assurances that the healthcare plan was coming out in two weeks healthcare. It's a and so mika today it must it must be today but to a bigger point because they know you were saying okay. That's when you what's joe's bigger point here thinking that nelson nope bigger point. Great this is like all the conspiracy theories the world's coming to an end next week and then it doesn't come to an end and then something else is happening next week. And then i a good friend of ours has a friend who is caught up and all the conspiracy theories and now the new conspiracy. Theory is joe. Biden is going to move back to delaware on the twenty first of january. And he's going to basically turn the government over to and everybody and there are educated people who believe this there are former elected officials of large cities. Who believe this. And they're always made a fool love because he's conspiracy theories never come through and that was donald trump's old presidency. David brooks says it's incredible article koerbel column talking about evangelical 's it evangelical split in half because people believed the live. He's for four years and only now are half the church waking up to the fact that they have been lied to repeatedly by someone that they have set up as an idol. And so these lies they are. It's not a bug. it's been a feature of the trump presidency. Mika and these lies like other lies again in the light avai proven to be lies. Yeah absolutely zero. Health care plan and welcome to morning joe. It is tuesday january nineteenth. Along with joe willie and me. We have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemaire and pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post. Msnbc political analyst. eugene robinson. There was a column this weekend. Not exactly sure who was. Maybe you can remind me of somebody who said how it was to be a trump follower. How humiliating it was to be a follower. Because your entire life is spent telling people of an event that's coming a cataclysmic event and then it never comes andrew your humiliated and then you have to talk about the next end of the world moment and those never come as well that was donald trump's presidency. Nbc's ben collins who going to have on the show in a minute has been ready for a long time. It was ben yet so their date circled on the calendar and january. Six was one of them january twentieth tomorrow. The inauguration is the next one when the political and cultural rapture is supposed to happen and then it doesn't happen and then it gets kicked down the road and a new date is proposing at some point. You would think some people might catch on. And i think some having been is going to talk about that but you're so right about the healthcare plan that was never going to be there and the wall is the most glaring example of what you're talking about. That was the basis of his entire campaign. Build that wall. Mexico's gonna pay for it. Started when he came down the escalator. In june of two thousand fifteen. He will leave office at noon tomorrow. With about twelve to fifteen miles of new wall built on a two thousand mile border that was booking climb over exactly. He went down there last week and autographed to continue to reinforce the lie and say look. I actually did it. I'm leaving office. Promises made promises kept. There's no wall healthcare plan. It was all a big branding exercise and by and large to get him into office. it worked gene. We we have lived or entire adult life chain. You and i and most other people watching the show understanding that politicians make promises and they break those promises. They are held into account even the smallest province. I remember barack obama said in two thousand nine. I think if you want your doctor you can keep your doctor that ended up not being true. Republicans pounded him for that. You know in all cases ended up being true in all cases may be accurate there in all cases. Republicans pounded him on that for eleven years. Donald trump has lied repeatedly. He said he was going to pay off. Not just the deficit. He was going to pay off the federal debt. He promised universal health care for everybody. He promised he was going to build a wall in mexico. I could go on but he lies to them every week. And it's not like oh you're just saying that because you know you're a conservative joe and and but you're on msn. No we got the videotape. We've got the videotape gene and they got the videotape. But i guess this is what it's like being in a cult. Looks like to me. I mean look. Maybe that healthcare plan is coming tomorrow morning. The big box right maybe. Maybe that's what he is gonna announce. But i kinda doubt it He never he never intended to put out a health care. Plan not into weeks that in two years two hundred years and it was lie after lie after. Lie the lie. And we've chronicle those all right. I mean we heard them in and in real time said. This is not going to happen. Get the people who wanted to believe it believed they. They went seamlessly to the next ally. Then and that that is difficult to understand it is it is difficult to understand the the degree of of alien nation and it's really like alienation from reality that that that causes this sort of blind literally blind deaf dumb and blind allegiance to to an inveterate liar To a politician to who who lies the way other people breeze And you know you have to know that because you've experienced it over and over again yet. Equal kept coming back and some people continue to come back now. maybe they will fall off. It's as as time goes on We have to hope. We have to hope because reality has to win out re win out over paranoid. Witnessing just asked me that that really depends if donald trump is a cult leader than his sponsors over. The past four years have been facebook and twitter. That's right and so they take him off at twitter. Take him off of. Facebook and disinformation falls by seventy three percent. Does that have an impact. Yes that has an impact so the big question is will facebook continue to propagate cult leader on the right. And i'm sure they'll they'll come on the left to and if you don't think this isn't going to happen on the left your fool were a fool because that's the danger of donald trump it's not donald donald trump. Listen i know you're trumpism stays around for no no. That's not the danger to the republic. The danger of the republic is that people in the right people on the left people in the centre people who believe in nothing have sane how easy it is to break into american democracy and actually put it at risk and they're thinking you know if donald trump weren't so stupid that's what they're thinking not me. Of course i would never say that about any president but they're thinking if donald trump weren't so stupid he actually coulda pulled this off right. That's what they're thinking so it is up to you. It is up to me. It is up to facebook. It is up to twitter. It is up to all of us to make sure this never happens again. Yeah so joe you would a responsible because you had him on a lot. Two thousand fifteen gillete awesome. That make you feel better. Okay fine now. Focus with me if you will because post two thousand fifteen facebook and twitter and fox news and a lot of people carried that live four day in and day out day in and day out the consequences devastating by the way over. Four hundred thousand of your americans dead more people than were killed in world war two more people than were killed in world war one see. I'm not good in math but about seven times as many people who were killed in vietnam. Let me say that again. More than seven times. A number of people who died in vietnam have been killed by this virus at donald trump. In lying to you you'll faithful member of the cult. Said it was going to be one person coming in from china away. We've got this hand and puts bleach in your arm and then a month later. He said in michigan. It's going to be fifteen people but soon as can be down to zero. We've done a very good job. Then he started talking about putting bleach into your arm then he started talking about putting you alight. Then he talked about hydra clocks or chloroquine are hell. I don't even remember what you call now. I just know he talked about it. Everyday that ended up being a hoax. Right so here's the takeaway don't think this was a one time and don't think that this is about somebody on the four right-wing okay because donald trump's not for right wing doesn't give a damn about ideology and that's what we have to be looking for in the future. You know jesus it'd be it'd be great. If so many people who called themselves evangelicals actually read the bible and this coming from a senator. I've been divorced twice. I mean seve large and called me a human highlight film for like a sending. I mean it's a human highlight film. Stephen were roommates and in congress but if they actually read the bible they would be. They would be knowledgeable of jesus is warning the where a prophets cult members with all heads bowed with all ice closed whisper after me where a false prophets. You don't know where they're gonna come from. Jesus warned us about that to jesus. You're saying why is he talking about jesus so much i'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the cult members inside my church who have howard donald trump's presidency over the past four years. Stop reading cue a non sites and start reading the gospel of jesus christ and we will be all right. That's my mini sermon. I really liked it. I would like to make a little point to one thing you said and that is about twitter and facebook. Who just right now. At hawk have decided to ban president trump at least twitter. Disinformation is down seventy plus percent showing just how damaged damaging they have been letting him run rampant over the past four years but banning trump is not the issue that they are not the people who can decide what can be out there. And what can't they are publishers publishers. Okay be rented so you are recognized as one and act like one. You're part of the problem whether it's from the right or the left and believe it or not. You're too blind to see it when it's coming because it took you this long. It took you this long to even realize the damage that was being just promulgated and unfurled on your platforms or you didn't care. I don't know which is worse. Does anybody from the choir have anything to say. I we see. We got jonathan lomas. Wrap around we get gene robinson. Don't we go to jonathan lemere. Jonathan you know we talk you actually report. Why don't you tell us what's happening this last day. And what time this morning. Willy i wanna know. Can we expect the sweeping health care reform package because we have the over and under eleven fifty. Three am jill good morning. Let's start by understanding exactly that. This is the last full day of donald trump's presidency. There is nothing on his schedule. Which of course has been the habit since election day with only a few exceptions. We are anticipating a wave of pardons and clemencies to come likely later. Today could be tomorrow morning. We think that's on the agenda but otherwise there's no healthcare plan in the offering. And i think that it should be underscored. This is obviously a presidency built on lies from build the wall and the campaign through it every two weeks. He seem overly promise. The new healthcare plan also remember of course the caravan of immigrants that he touted in the two thousand. Eighteen midterms a caravan. That of course it never materialized at the. Us border is the president who one aide told me long ago would lie not to win that days new cycle but rather simply that news moment to change one cable kyron to generate one favorable. Tweet he would. It was so reflexive impulsive and it would leave aides to clean up the mess. Of course the lie that he is told most consistently in the last two and a half. Three months was about the election being rigged and it was that lie that so many of these writers who stormed the capitol site and they say it was the president said. The president inspired me to do this to storm. The capital that cost lives the damage the very citadel of our democracy and this is a presidency in its last day and a half still dealing with that carefully watching the senate to see where mitch mcconnell may go singers. He may send about whether he will vote to convict. Remove president trump from office and potentially bar him from ever. Running against president is very concerned about in terms of of his political relevancy and his ability to make money. He is slated to leave tomorrow morning. We know we'll see him then between now and then we're not sure but it contains some ways a fitting coda to this period of this presidency. Where he will stay out of sight and not do the basics of the job which includes governing during a pandemic that has now cleaned four hundred thousand of his fellow americans. So jonathan as you said. He's gonna skip town tomorrow morning before. The inauguration obviously not going to attend the inauguration. We've known that for some time not only not going to be there but not going to perform the most basic moment that we've seen for years and years and years and years through administrations which is to welcome the new president and first lady the first lady. Melania trump won't be there to do that. either they'll be met. Joe biden joe biden by the white house butler. When they arrived there pardons though do remain on the table for these final twenty. Four hours or so. Do we have a sense of how big he's going to go. How many he's going to give and how low he will go willy. It's still being worked out. There's a meeting yesterday with the white house counsel's office. This is a process. That's largely staying outside of the typical doj channels. No firm decisions have been made but we can report and others have as well. The president is this moment leaning against trying to sell part and trying to pardon himself. Leaning against issuing blanket pardons for family members or aids ones that may not have withstood legal challenges and frankly some age were reluctant to accept because it would seem like an acknowledgement of wrongdoing silver. Former powerful new york figure is one of the names being considered lil. Wayne the rapper as well as others. Who came up through the alice. Johnston program like her where it is low level drug offenders who are going to have their records expunged criminal. Justice advocates will applaud. So we're expecting a mix of events whether it be today were tomorrow. But you're right. There will be no welcome for the biden's not remonial t. The biden biden himself. We'll do a lot of the duties on his own were tomorrow. He will journey with other. Former presidents bush obama clinton to the tomb of the unknown serb soldier national cemetery in lay a wreath he will be inviting congressional leaders to mass tomorrow morning in a church in washington not too far from the white house as symbolic olive branch to all members of the government and of course the president trump will not be there at the west front of the capitol as joe biden. Takes the oath of office. Intense security security challenges that we have only seen a few times before and the history of the country. Nineteen forty five when franklin roosevelt took the office amid. We'll were to. Which abraham lincoln had to be snuck into the capital on a train when he was sworn in on the dawn of the civil war. There is no moment though of national unity from our outgoing president. No touch of class whatsoever. And as a final point by knows this idea of ally. He knows that's one of the first tasks that he has to grapple with is to restore the credibility of the office itself repair. How people both at home and abroad view the presidency and make it so people as he has told his. Aides can believe the word of the president. Again and the reason we're seeing that securities because of what happened of course on january six in that attack on the capital. We're learning much more about what happened that day. Four members of the capitol police tell the associated press. They were left at to hang out to dry. One officer said we were on our own other officers. Said they were giving no warning by leadership about the possibility of an attack even though capitol police reportedly had intelligence three days prior that the capital itself could be targeted. Three officers also telling the a p the police chief who has since resigned was silent all afternoon later turned out for some of that time he was sheltering in place with vice president. Mike pence to officers said the assistant. Chief who's now the interim chief of capital police was heard on the radio telling officers to lot the building down with no further instructions. They also describe how they had to improvise after being overrun by the mob quoting again from the ap one cop ran from one side of the building to another fighting hand to hand against rioters another decided to respond to any calls of officers in distress and spent three hours helping cops. Who'd been immobilized by spray or other chemicals. Three officers were able to handcuff one writer but group swarmed that group and took the arrested man away with the handcuffs still on joe so this is a case of something. We've been saying now for almost two weeks that with each passing day the events inside that capital seemed to get worse with new information. And willie look at these pictures. Let's go back to the pictures of these police officers being assaulted and yes. We saw a few police officers who let people through the gates. Willingly took pictures with them. They were the exception not the rule they were also the ones of course who have been suspended but look at these pictures these this is what donald trump god this is what donald trump ignited. And willie these are all people who blindly follow. Donald trump law and order. These people are for law and order. And you look at the fact that half of donald trump supporters in america supported. What went on chance about the cops. Every bit as grotesque is what we heard portland or seattle and their self righteous about supporting cops law and order. of course. that's just another lie. Willie these pictures. Don't show me. I'm ugly enough show pictures of these cops whose lives were on the line. Like these trump killing cops assaulting cups willy. It's just it's not extraordinary because we knew donald trump was alighieri is extraordinary that his supporters of vast majority of his supporters are liars and four from supporting men in blue far from believing. The blue lives matter. They actually did a full on assault in the name of donald trump and that donald trump's legacy that is their legacy and that's the legacy of a vast majority of donald trump supports all donald trump supporters. Who do not condemn him for this insurrection and do not condemn these. Riders are one in the same. There's no equivocating. They killed a police officer. They beat another officer to with an inch of his life. With an american flag with the flagpole. That man from arkansas has been arrested the crush one man and officer inside adore. We've seen those pictures. He has recovered. Thank so yes you can spare us back. The blue from this group that was up on capitol hill on january the sixth and those police officers the more we hear about it. We're improvising inside. They shouldn't have had to improvise. People knew this was coming intelligence. Knew this was coming. They should have been ready. Those brave officers were let down by their commanders. Were let down by their supervisors and that will not happen again tomorrow. Based on the show of force that we've seen let's bring in senior video producer for opinions at the washington post. Kate woodson she and her colleague. Joyce sharing ye reported from outside the capitol on january six. Kate good morning so we want to watch some of your new video of what you witnessed as people marched from the president's rally to the capitol when things quickly started getting out of control. Let's watch everything on your team. What the enemy. Now exactly. he's out. That had been called bath and flying off off off company. Lashing people have to die. Hi everyone steve. Kerr nikki here. You may remember. I hosted an nbc news. Podcast called article two inside. Impeachment followed the developments of president. Donald trump's first impeachment last winter the article. Two podcast is back with a special episode bringing you the latest on the second impeachment of donald trump joined by nbc news capitol hill correspondent. Leeann caldwell who is in the capital on the day of the riots to break down the house vote and what a senate trial could look like search for article two inside impeachment wherever you're listening right now to subscribe for free the curse the document we. I had a light a candle. I'm chuck rosenberg on my podcast. The oath i talk with people who served with integrity and honor men and women who light the way this week former. Fbi assistant director. Frank figliuzzi if you're all about harsh rigorous aggressive rules enforcement. You're not going to last very long as an organization because people will hate you for it. Your system won't have credibility. They won't report misconduct and they won't cooperate with the core values. You're trying to maintain so with any disciplinary system with any attempt in your family. Your team your community. Your company to enforce compliance enforce regulations and values. You'd better have impassioned along with consequences. Join me for season for the oath and msnbc podcasts. Search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and subscribe new episodes every day kate. That's hard for me to watch. And you're the one standing there describe what it was like to be there knowing the anger that was in that crowd knowing how they'd been whipped up by a lie to go into that building and knowing that they've been told that the media is the enemy of the people and was partly responsible for this. What was it like to be there. I mean the word. Intense is kind of an understatement. It was It was a very precarious for everybody there and particularly because as as you everybody else had stated so many people there so firmly believed that this election was stolen and they see it almost as an existential threat to them and democracy their version of democracy and so we had people who were you know breaking breaking the sides into trader and patriot and we the journalists and the police and even some of the emt's who were wearing masks were considered traitors. And so when you're in a situation like that in the field it's not just Situational danger you are a direct target and so that that was you know to put it lightly. It was a stressful situation And it was. It grew increasingly dangerous. After people breached the capital because they were emboldened that you know this crowd essentially had no personal responsibility that they could get away with anything and that they were emboldened by the president they felt like they essentially had his mandate and the also were emboldened by anti-government armed groups that have been training for a long long time for for what they think should be essentially a second revolution. You stood in there and continued to report and we have your video because of gene robinson there was a telling moment in that piece of tape from cain where the one man looked at police officers align of them and said we used to back the blue. But you've broken your oath. The lie so powerful that it had those riders turning on police. Yeah it's just H distant credible. Leads to the people were supposed to support law and order You know we blew lives matter well early. Not but i'm kate. I just you know i I and all your colleagues want to thank you for your your bravery literal bravery under fire and and we're so glad that you're okay. We saw that clip that that some of the rioters wanted to yell at you but as you engage with them did any of them want to actually talk to you in in any sort of way. Was there any human connection there or was it just them versus an enemy of the people who just have to be shouted at yeah. It's a really good question in. That is a weird moment. That was captured on camera. Because i was kind of in shock. I was thinking you know. Don't do anything to provoke them. Just you know. Stay calm so that they don't hurt your joy but i also was reporting and trying to understand. What do they want. What are their motivations in. Some as you heard blamed us for the shooting of the woman inside of the capital. But others as you ask saying. Can't you understand our caused. Don't you understand what we want. Can you agree that the media has contributed to this division. One man wanted us to you know understand that people who adhere to an anti ideology aren't actually supporting unity. They're supporting divisions. There are a lot of different motivations there after that went on for a really long time and after kind of calm down. This woman followed me. She said don't you understand what the the media is doing. And i said i. I appreciate your concerns and i reflect on it. I think one thing that's really important to know when you're watching the video of me in the video of police getting hurt and all these people it's shocking and upsetting in. It should be and one of the reasons it's jarring to many audiences is because i'm a white woman from the washington post and You don't normally see people like me enduring that kind of a tech But but i am just a representation of a greater agility in greater violent threats to large swaths of this country. And i'm talking about people who don't look like me. And so you know black. Americans in brown americans and lgbtq americans have have felt in face this kind of threat not in this form but in different forms for very very long time and so when we joe is mentioned in this is the legacy of of trump we need to think about. What is the legacy of this country. Because as you see the footage from the capital there are confederate flags everywhere. Their betsy ross flags. As a flag that idolizes time women end black and brown. Americans didn't hold power in my colleagues at the washington post have done brilliant video and graphics breakdown of all of the flags out there and so for people trying to understand who is this. What is this. These are your neighbors. These are neighbors. Not hopefully not but there are americans and some believe the lie that the election was stolen. Some want to overthrow the government. For whatever reason many supremacists and the all took advantage of this moment but this is not a division that started with trump. He took advantage of it. But it's going to persist until we start looking at those flags and what they mean. You know kate. I don't know where you live. And i don't know who your neighbors are. And maybe your neighbors aren't Light supremacist right around you. But i guarantee you. There are people on your street. Who believed that. This election was stolen. And who quietly support. What happened there. And and i say that of all of us because it's been shocking to me the people close to me in my life who won't come out and say to me but i know what they're thinking you know it's interesting you you were talking about how it was shocking to see a white woman like yourself being attacked like this by a mob tell you what else is shocking about the video that you got and so many other people got it. It exposes a lie that we conservatives have been telling ourselves for fifty years and this is the lie and i heard an even before the election. People are saying to me. Listen if trump wins. Oh my god don't be in washington because you know those people the left. They're going to burn the city down but the lie that we conservatives have always told ourselves is we don't have time to riot. We don't have time to watch because we work. We got to work the next day so we don't like something we're working but those people whoever those people are whether it's the others whether it's left-wing freaks whether it's antifa whatever they say the others are they have jobs so we are. We have jobs so we don't do this. Exposes that lie and shows that yes right wing freaks. I will call them that breaking it right. Wing criminals actually do march and they do riot and they do kill police officers. Not only that. But this doesn't just happen in the us capital. We had this attack that shook the nation here but the people who are in the capital came from across the country and these these are tensions that were simmering and not just simmering but you know a coming up all across the country and they will go back to every state in this country so Yeah we just. There's a lot of language a lot of of language where we're uttering other people and i. I think you can't walk away from us. And think. I want to try to be friends with that person. But labeling people as freaks and you can do whatever you want but i i. It's not entirely helpful to the situation. I think and we just need to be asking. You know beyond the extremists because there were plenty of extremists. Air there were plenty of radicalized individuals. There were also thousands and thousands and thousands of families who didn't want violence but but still didn't understand that this should not be happening. And so you know. Somehow we need to start to engage in conversations and i will be criticized for that on my own friends to say. How can you possibly engage but but we need to improve you know reporting and education etc. Right i did. I put a modifier on that freaks exit broke into the capital and killed cup. I've got no problem i. Maybe i won't call them column. Criminals call them traitors to america. But i did point out earlier this week. Kate and it's a point that you were trying to make and we showed the video. I did see people who were there. That actually were shielding police officers as they were retreating. I saw people wearing maga- has actually pushing people away from lines of police officers. Who kept for retreating thing was around the same area where you were so no. You can't pay to everybody. That was there with a broad stroke. You certainly can't but you look those people around the capital. The people that infiltrated the capital. The people that killed police officers. Esl be i'll be more exact in complicity to right. He not even if they were protecting a cop or even if someone you know i dropped my water bottle and someone look and picked it up and saw that it had a hole in it and he was like. Oh that's a bummer. And he felt bad for me and handed me back my water bottle. So even if they're more benign quote unquote actors within this crowd. They were all essentially supportive. In their energy. You know gave movement to this attack and Yeah so the other part of this too. Is that this hostility. These threats this violence was sanctioned right action by the president of the united states and on and until very recently it hasn't been Condemned by members of the republican party. And so you know. I don't wanna get into politics but we we have a very hard period of reflection where we need to. We need to grapple with this in our own families about what threats were facing all right. Kate thank you so much extraordinary sound much. I really appreciate it and make up She's exactly right. We do have to engage which i've been my entire life doing in the conservative movement. The republican party and the evangelical church and i can tell you we do have to stay engaged but we also have to throw in jail. People who committed insurrection. Against the united states of america. And they need to do their time for sedition and we wish them the best and hopefully when they come out of serving their twenty year sentence. Which so many of those people should serve We should sit down and have a conversation with them and stay engaged with them. But you know what there has to be justice if you believe. There has to be justice in the streets of portland and seattle. Like i did this summer. Yeah and you called for it nonstop. Then there has to be justice in the united states capitol. Because it's one thing throwing stuff at a federal courthouse in portland oregon. It's another thing trying to kill the vice president of the united states and the speaker of the house. We we actually do. Treat those things differently under the law so join me and supporting police officers. Join me in believing that blue lives do matter in the united states capitol. Join me if you really are a conservative and demanding swift justice for every one of these rioters ultimately what you're talking about is getting back to the truth and valuing the truth which has been devalued and things have been allowed to slide for four years and here. We are still ahead on morning. Joe senate confirmation hearings get underway today for some of president elect joe biden's cabinet picks but it seems most if not all won't be confirmed by inauguration day plus we'll be joined by senator amy klobuchar who will have a leading role in joe biden swearing in ceremony tomorrow. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back. Hey everyone it's chris. As you know these days i find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day. Onslaught of news and take a broader. Look the issues. I haven't had time to cover my tv. Show all in everything from the legacy of racism in america to how community and creativity can flourish amidst the pandemic. I do each week on my podcast. Wise is happening. And i'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like pulitzer prize winning reporter nicole. Hannah jones progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred years of black people being in this country the tie remarking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author rebecca solnit. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways and many others. Who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world. I really enjoy our conversations. I hope you will too. So join me for new episodes. Every tuesday just search for wisest happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe the number of people connected to the capital. Riots continues to rapidly grow as of this morning. One hundred and twenty four people have been arrested for their roles in the insurgents. At least ninety seven people have been charged with federal crimes. So far that's expected to increase as a law enforcement official tells. Nbc news that there are still three hundred and thirty open cases. Meanwhile court documents reveal a pennsylvania woman told a former romantic partner that she planned to sell a laptop that she stole from house speaker. Nancy pelosi's office two russian intelligence. The partner later turned her. Well that's one way to make america. Great again by sending is that they're rolling trump's lead here and a new jersey army reservist with security clearance and access to military supplies has also been charged in his alleged role in the riott. So willy is just the people involved low across a large swath of american society. Kate was saying these are in many cases. Our neighbors death without a doubt in that crowd. They've been painted sort of caricatured but in that crowd were. Ceo's in that crowd were gold medal winners. From the american olympic swimming team people who are not the caricature at all people who truly believed this lie and compelled to go to the capital. And i think part of the problem from a security standpoint probably from a cultural standpoint is. They weren't taken seriously. I think reporters who watch these. Dark corners of the internet took them very seriously but they thought oh these are just a bunch of people with flags and trump hats on. We're going to come to the capital and make some noise. No they meant what they said. They meant what they said. And i think that'll be part of the lesson. Going forward as law enforcement is the fbi and his people covering these groups in these corners of the internet will take them quite literally based on what they did at the capital once again joe these corners of the internet for example if the new york times or i don't know let's say the washington post printed anything that these people printed and put out on facebook or twitter immediately. There would be checks in place that what's going on here but instead this stuff flu and grew all over the internet. Thanks to these platforms. That think they have laws of their own and willie hilarious. I was hilarious because these people people are are so extraordinarily stupid. I don't know really how they get out of bed in the morning. But there are right wing bloggers there are right wing pro trump or anti anti trumps people with podcasts. That talk about. This is what nazi germany was like. If you try to put some regulations on facebook if you try to put some regulations that's when no no these these are companies that operate in the free market. First of all they can make the choices they choose just like we do make the choice. You make the choice. Mak- makes the choice on who we allow on our airwaves and who we don't that's one part of the second part of it is and this is what i hate so much about. Sex two thirty grants just full immunity other third parties. We can't control. what can we do to the. They're having a big rally at the capitol. They wanna kill people way down so they killed people so they saying why or so. They say they destroy democracy. It's third parties. You can't sue us for that. Listen that's like saying that we could get a tape. I it's funny. How all that. I'm holding a videotape right. Just pay to how somebody could click and send us a video and it could by their standards. I could lie about anybody. Could accuse anybody of murder could accuse anybody of rape. It could accuse anybody of anything and we've run and we can just roll them all day. Here here's a tape of somebody beating up somebody. Here's a tape of somebody stabbings a here. We could do that under the facebook standard under the twitter standard right and they couldn't do anything to us. Wait a second. We actually have regulations that are put on us. That don allow us to do that. It's it's it's actually. It's called slander. It's called liable and is again the widespread immunity for facebook where they get their information. Social media is so outrageous and that is as we've been saying for years we're over fifty percent of americans get their news. Yeah and it's a breeding ground for what happened on january sixth. The argument for years has been that. We're just sort of town square. We opened the gate. We let the people in. We're not in charge of what happens once. They're inside the party. Will that stopped january six. And i think the question that you were asking earlier a good one which is will this continue now. Was this just an isolated event where these social media companies so panicked by what they saw in january six and suddenly realize that a lot of it was fomented on their platforms that they did something about this but will they continue to do it in the. Let's what thirty hours from now when president trump is out of office. Let's ask former. Fbi special agent and msnbc contributor. Clint watts and new york times reporter and msnbc national security analysts. Michael schmidt guys. Good morning clinton. Let me start with you. What is do you think the new permanent posture from these social media platforms like facebook and twitter. And do you actually believe it is permanent. I don't think it's permanent willits. Pretty fluid really is based on the winds in capitol hill. And i think while january sex is awful is definitely a striking late or those companies twenty four hours for them to democrats from georgia were elected to the senate and so that really tipped the balance in terms of what is going to be interpreted as violent or not violent. Who should be police. You know until valley call gaming the ref meaning whoever's in charge yells at them about what they want pleased on social media. I think by and large until that line is defined. They're going to go whatever direction the majority is in. What's fascinating already. Though is how that has changed the environment social media. I don't know if you can feel that. I can feel it when i'm on twitter today. That it is noticeably different. Without president trump on their the conversation has changed in a very different way. But this is push people these fringe platform probably about ten to a dozen them The removal of parlor sent them scurrying in all sorts of directions on the internet. And for the most extreme sent them kinda into dark messaging platforms and closed for him. So that's gonna be a bigger challenge for law enforcement in the coming months that they re mp this. These two showed up the capital. There must extreme members if not arrested. They're not going away and have lots of supporters around the country clan. What about president trump. Who will as of tomorrow be out of office. Will he have a platform. Will he have a place to direct people. The way he's been directing them for the last five and a half years i'd be shocked if he did not merge with one of these fringe sort of platforms. It's out there or quickly trying to establish his own. That would be an interesting game. He could play where he tries to. Essentially force the us government or regulation of lease him in his speech moderated Imagine a former president. Who's been so prolific saying okay. You police might free speech. She could really rallied people to the cost so i think that's very plausible scenario. That will see own twenty. He twenty one jonathan. Good morning to see you. There we go. Hey mike Wanted to ask you about the latest. On the pardons. I know you've been reporting extensively on where the president is on this and those he's considering we're talking earlier that it does look like he shying away from trying to sell part apartment as immediate family but they're quite a bit of names in the list. I know some plenty of decisions still made. Can you give us an update. As to where things stand on these pardons and when we should expect them into something later tonight. Are we gonna get them tomorrow morning. Literally as air force one takes off for florida. So what the president has gone back and forth over the past few weeks. A lot about pardons particularly about himself and about his family members as you were saying about romy guiliani Currently in toronto posture of not doing the self pardon Or the pardons for his children. Obviously like any decision in trumpworld. Nothing is done till it's done but indeed. This is something that obviously has to get done by noon. On wednesday there is still another batch of pardons and commutations I guess i'll call from the sort of regular bucket of trump cards commutations to come Remember these of his use of clemencies is extraordinarily different than half president so the president looking at a range of individuals of the most interesting one in my mind being sheldon silver the former speaker of the new york state legislature You know silver was was a democrat but the case has a larger significance because it was brought by the the office southern district of new york the federal prosecutors in manhattan an office that the president investigated the president and the president has sought to undermine reported over the weekend. The president's former lawyer. John dowd had told a convicts who had been prosecuted by that office that their cases would be more favorably looked upon for pardons and commutations simply because they had been investigated by them. Now dowd head worked as the president's lawyer for a little bit less than a year before he quit he had gone out to try in Represent people who were looking to lobby the president four pardons accommodations and he was basically saying to them based on his knowledge working as the president's lawyer that that they would look favorably because they were investigated by the same people who investigated the president. Jane robinson yeah clint. I have a question for you. And it's about how you feel the threat matrix Now as not just for inauguration day but beyond you know at least people who sacked the the capital. Those who who who won't spend the next few years in prison and quite if you do Won't go away And and how do you see the threats to officials including Soon to be president biden vice president harrison and others and other officials going forward gina. It's really fascinating. There's kind of three different batches that you can look at it. And then there's varying degrees of severity one is this sort of loosely organized structure and you have a more violent in a less violent more violent or what is known as the acceleration bug lou. Boys are in there and they are looking to start a second civil war. Why worry about because oftentimes as one or two people a small cell. They are moving quickly to set off a delivered via act. They think they'll be like a chain reaction. Some really there is the cunanan here is that are overcommitted. Meaning they really believe in this stuff and they think they need to take it now. So i think the worry over the next thirty six hours is if not now the win win. Would they start to move to those separately than you can look at these militia groups that are out there which we saw many there You had a proud boys a Oath keepers three percenters. They mostly told their people to stand down out of the question is would they have people that are overly in certain sex because this is a nationwide movement often times with these groups and then the last is the white supremacist style. They've really been emboldened by the president in his term when we look forward. I don't expect a major issue. Most of the protests we've seen mobilizations over the weekend been pretty light. But i'm very worried about the summer. Vala twenty twenty one. Many of these people are super committed and the one thing that is seldom back is a lack of targets when the pandemic ends there will be more mass gatherings. So that's what i'm worried about. Mass shootings bombings in the worst of this is he attempted or assassination Political leaders we saw and talking about nancy. pelosi there when they stormed the capital. Michael schmidt and clint watts. Thank you both very much for being on this morning. 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Morning Joe 5/17/21

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"Great news this week. The announced that fully vaccinated people no longer have to wear masks or socially distance. Except if you go to most places anyway have fun out there. Good morning and welcome to morning. Joe it is. Monday may seventeenth with us. We have white house reporter for the associated press. Jonathan lemaire washington anchor for bbc world. News america katty kay and columnist and associate editor for the washington. Post david ignatius and joe. We saw. We've seen this confusion with masks. We went out. We actually went out to a place with people. It doesn't happen for you know so. We traveled through. I traveled back yesterday and travelled through airports huge massive cavernous airports without a lot of people in. Put your mask well okay. Cdc but okay careful in another state. I would go into one store. This you have to have your mask on the next or you don't have to so there needs to be some clarification here and again. The only thing. I've asked all along. I'm a simple country lawyer as you know. Just a plain simple country lawyer. I just asked the trump administration to follow the science masking the biden administration to follow the science. They are and they are now asking. The state governor's follow the science and also people that run their businesses. Follow the science. I'm not asking for mosh pits inside of restaurants or inside of retail stores. But if the cdc is saying return to normal if cd saying if you've been vaccinated don't wear a mask you don't have to wear a mask and that should mean don't wear a mask you know. There's a lot of virtue signaling from the right when they were like knocking down masks and doing asinine things while the cdc was saying not to. Now there's some virtue signaling. Obviously it's on in an abundance of caution in some cases but in other cases it just doesn't make sense. You see people walking around wearing masks outside the size of massachusetts. And you're like war is over if you want it out. Think it's the i mean. Well i'll tell you that people well crowded areas where you have to wear amount by the way you have. I said last week. I was gonna continue wearing masks on a plane. There were some some luddites that were going crazy. Oh well that's the cdc requirement there's stiller cdc requirements and scott. Gottlieb said this yesterday if we want to encourage people to get the vaccine and we want to get people getting the vaccine. Why are you ask for the same reason we have our children get vaccines before they go to school for the same reason. Even though the likelihood of our children getting polio and diptheria and measles is very low and rebellious. Hurry low. we still get that. Why because we want to keep her immunity. We want to drive those diseases from the face of the earth. It's the same thing here. But if we want to encourage americans to get the vaccine. Dr scott gottlieb said then you get a lighten up when it comes to masks if the scientists are and the sciences there the science is there especially for outside and yes. We are learning things as we move along because we would and thing suva's burke and several would they didn't say it in december einstein because they're still learning. There's still figuring this out. Where do you want to get a vaccine. And we're a mask if you know you can still pass it along to other people. You're not going to get the effects of it yourself. you're going to be a symptomatic so again. The goal here is the same goal that doctors and scientists and epidemiologists have had for decades drive the number of people with vaccines up get into a herd immunity. Whether it's kids whether it's teenagers whether it's adults even if you're not looking at that person and what their reaction may be to the corona virus. You're looking at them. Maybe getting it and passively passing it on somebody who actually may have some underlying problems. Get the numbers up and you get the numbers up. You get hurt immunity and this is behind us for good and you don't have to worry about your loved ones who may not have gotten the vaccines for whatever reason but but again scott gottlieb said for us to get there. We had to have a consistency when it comes to mask mandates and people need to start listening to the. Cdc if you're running a business you're if you're running a state if you're running a town come on lighten up encourage people to go get the vaccine but johnson lemaire. The word from the white house has been very clear. In terms of sort of loosening the mask mandate to understand the science. How are they employing it within the white house. And what are you hearing. Certainly the white house itself was actually caught off guard by the cdc's timing of the cdc's announcement last week on masks. That only a few senior officials were given the heads up. Wednesday night ahead of thursday afternoons public announcement. The president himself wasn't briefed until thursday morning. And certainly that day as word spread through the building. Staffers took off their masks as they worked whether inside their small offices reporters who have been fully vaccinated. Who were in the building that day myself included. We took our masks off as well if you had completed the two shots cycle and those two weeks after the second shot not everyone has yet and they believe that it is important to send the public image. We heard from the president that afternoon in the rose garden. He was exultant probably the happiest. He's been aides say since he came into office really believing that that moment was signified nation turning a corner on the pandemic now to be clear. There's a long way to go. Still there they know there's pockets of pop the population that have been hesitant to get the vaccine. They need to convince them to do so. They know their pockets population that for one reason or another have had a hard time getting it. They need to improve their outreach to make sure that happens even as we see the demand fall in states across the nation and pressure rise on the us to expert vaccine's other countries. We're having that much more difficult of a time. They are going to continue to follow the cdc criticized. Perhaps the cdc for moving too slowly on this in the past. And there's no doubt in. The white house has been sending signals about this too that they want clear messaging as to who should wear a mask when and of course this all relies somewhat at least on people and the honor system being candid about whether or not they've had the vaccine and that's why we're seeing some places in these early days air on the side of caution and require people still wear them. We'll be talking a lot more about this but we turn now to israel's overnight launch of another barrage of airstrikes on gaza israel says it destroyed nine miles of palestinian militant and the homes of nine alleged mosque this morning. Gaza residents were awakened today by what's described as the heaviest attack since the conflict broke out a week ago. Meanwhile israeli residents are taking shelter as palestinian rockets rain down on the country's southern cities. These latest attacks come after the deadliest day of violence yesterday rescue crews in gaza were still combing through rubble last night. Looking for survivors of a morning bombing were three buildings. Were hit over the course of five minutes. This fall israel's emergency service system reported direct hits in two major cities including one to a synagogue. Israel says hamas has fired nearly three thousand missiles and their direction since last monday in a televised address yesterday israeli prime minister. Benjamin netanyahu insisted the attacks would continue at quote full force. The gaza health ministry says at least one hundred ninety seven people have been killed since the violence began including fifty eight children. Israel has reported ten deaths with to being children. David ignatius you wrote about this movingly a few days ago. This is a nightmare. There's a cycle of violence that that seems to continue every four five six years and in this case there dark political overtones to this tragedy and i am. I am surprised That in the united states which united states coverage usually bins pro israel. I think we can all say that. Generally it has through the years. There seems to be an agreement among most analysts in foreign policy leaders. That that this is a political crisis in part. Because the only two winners out of this benjamin netanyahu and hamas and both of them their credibility was strained a on both sides so is this tragedy continues and people continue to die disproportionately on the palestinian side but on both sides there are tragedies on both sides. The only the only people winning from this politically or netanyahu and haas. I think that's the hardest part about this. Joe is that civilians as in every everywhere i've ever covered are the ones who pay the worst price. And that's happening. On both sides with a palestinian civilians in gaza of the numbers of dead and wounded or or just terrible to read and israeli civilians the tax on on tel aviv. The rocket attacks really upset. is israelis. They felt that was crossing a red line. That's a major population center. I talked joe to administration officials overnight to ask. What are they doing about this. This terrible tragedy and the answer is but should expect that. They're working behind the scenes for a ceasefire. They know let as much as long as prime minister. Netanyahu was determined to continue and try to get as much that gain on the ground as he can. This is not likely to end There are a lot of people in key positions who around for the last Gaza warrant in two thousand fourteen that lasted fifty one days. We're one week into this one. So there's there's a recognition that this may may take a while there's a lot of talk and the administration about beginning to think about a post conflict humanitarian reconstruction. I almost want to say reset for gaza gaza. One of the saddest places. I've ever visited it. It's just so many people packed together so much suffering people just trapped Extremists seem to be the only political leaders. That that Have any staying power in in gaza. So that there's a hope that that somehow over you begin to get more responsible. Authorities a in gaza get money to groups. That was the hope back in two thousand fourteen. Let's empower egypt. Let's let's power the palestinian authority. Let's bring the palestinian moderates in the gaza challenge from us any no what it didn't work at all but but the the same ideas again at and there's a recognition joe that Our ability to influence the situation now is very limited. Well david we met striking considering. How much money. In aid we give to israel. I'm surprised that that are and i support that aid. So i'm not talking. I'm i've been pro-israeli For my entire life but we give them aid and hear you say that That netanyahu is saying this is going to continue for some time. It's a no win proposition. If you support israel and you support israel standing not only the middle east but across the globe. It's no wind proposition for them to claim they're going after a hamas leader and kill eight or nine. Children say they're going after hamas leader or two or some offices and knocked down the site where the associated press analysis era and other news agencies are reporting out of that isn't when proposition for the people of israel that is a no win proposition for israel diplomatically across europe and the globe. The only person that helps is benjamin netanyahu. Do we have no ability as a country to reach in and stop this senseless killing because there is no endgame here. Everybody knows there. No endgame here just more dead palestinians and more dead israeli citizens. While as you've said before israelis and arabs fighting inside of israel mile create a new dangerous dynamic. Just make too the. I think it's it's entirely at true that The powerless defect these terrible events Where there's so much human suffering But the israeli government feels when when the rockets began to lend on israeli cities that An absolute harsh punitive response was necessary than is necessary to degrade the infrastructure. The tunnels the the command and control. That the made that possible So this is a scenario. We've we've seen over and over. i i do. Think israelis make mistakes sometimes in their attempts to protect their security. I watched one of the biggest. I think in modern history. The israeli invasion of lebanon in nineteen eighty two. I was a correspondent. In beirut watching the israeli army role in and that created a nightmare it essentially created hezbollah support organization created a a security problem that continues to this day so decisions. That people make under pressure are always right. The the problem as somebody who's looked at the middle east for so long as that moderate opinion on which you can build a settlement that would last is getting shattered on all sides. The palestinian authority mahmoud abbas is corrupt. It's week he was so weak. It couldn't hold elections that were scheduled for this year because the were no moderate sued win would simply have enfranchised. The most extreme most people in many areas. So somehow you gotta have something there to build on. And that's the work of years and decades unfortunately during the trump years. The us checked out of that that process we gave up. What a bit attempt to be that the evenhanded brock broker the country could could talk all sides. We gave that up and i think biden Tony blinken state are trying to rebuild that but it's gonna take a while for people that are just tuning in And haven't been following this closely. This began with fictions in east jerusalem and then There were there were protests at one of the most sacred sites For for muslims and there was a showdown there then. Hama david said If you look at the palestinian authority it's corrupt. You've got a leader that was elected to a four year term now in his seventeenth year and reading from the new york times this morning hamas fired nearly three thousand rockets towards israeli citizens cities and towns a clear war crime. The time goes on and says in. Israel has subjected gaza december intense bombardment. Killing families and flattening buildings probably constitutes a disproportionate use of form. Also a war crime killed at least one hundred ninety seven palestinians including ninety two women and children between last monday and sunday evening according to palestinian authorities moss missiles i have reigned over israeli towns and cities so in fear and killing at least ten people including two children and it goes on and on neither side there there. There is not a good faith partner for the united states to talk to on either side. We still have to figure out how to enforce our will so in his latest up. Ed for the new york times entitled for trump hamas and bb. It is always january. Six thomas friedman writes in part no hamas. Bb don't talk. They don't need to they each understand. What the other needs to stay in power and consciously or unconsciously behave in ways to ensure that they deliver it. The latest rerun their long-running nasty show is happening now. Because both were staring at an amazing breakthrough shaping up between israeli jews and israel arab muslims and like the pro-trump mob on january six. They wanted to destroy the possibility of political change before it could destroy them politically bb and hamas. They need each other. They understand each other rinse and repeat rinse and repeat rinse and repeat for a brief shining moment. It looked as though a different israeli coalition might become in together to break that cycle. It certainly would not have made peace overnight but it might have leased might at least have become a different dialogue a real dialogue among all sides. Instead we got a january six moment. One that for now has succeeded in stopping the chance of political transformation katty kay. There's always an overreaction. Of course united states wouldn't ask any country that had three thousand rockets. That rained down on it not to move. The question would be though. How do you stop from getting to that point. And after it begins. How how. how does it end. Obviously the iron dome is able to deflect missiles. But you look at both sides when it comes to netanyahu and hamas. Tom friedman's right. Both of them were politically at risk. Just a week ago before this started when it looked like arab israelis and and Some some some former parties at were had been in coalition with netanyahu. We're going to figure out a way to come together and and bring this country together instead of moving on and on from one fail the lax into another failed election and then this happened and of course It's the radicals who win. Yeah a it's not an extreme extreme thing to say that this was potentially be netanyahu's get out of jail free card given that. He was also facing corruption charges of his own and the possibility of a trial. If was no longer no longer head of the israeli government. So you had this moment where it looked like you had for the first time. The possibility of israeli jews and arab israelis coming together in one kind of government and netanyahu that would be not just the end of his prime ministership but the end of his philosophy of government in the region and not countenance bull. And you're right as well when you get to a cycle like this. It's incredibly hard to get out of it. And the netanyahu government has made it very clear. They going to carry on pounding gaza. Well what happens in gaza. Gaza is an area of the world. That is a tiny strip of land packed to the gills with people. There is no unemployment. You can't get in. You can't get out the only group in gaza that manages to provide anything like so services to people water health care education anything that functions is hamas. Well the more people are killed in gaza. The more people they're not gonna say this is hamas fault which may well be because hamas puts its military leaders in amongst civilians. They're not going to say that they're going to say we need hamas even more because we need those services that even more because our country has just destroyed them. We're dealing with the rubble of buildings. So it's really hard given the last week to see how this doesn't end more extremism more bloodshed in the region and you look back at the last. Four years of the trump administration and this wound was left to fester. There was a lot of focus on the abraham accords. I think jared kushner is at the moment setting up a institute of the abraham accords down in florida touting the success of that deals with sudan and morocco and bahrain the those countries now looking at what is happening in israel in dismay because this makes their accord with israel. Look pretty shaky at the moment. They've had put out statements distancing themselves from israel because of the overwhelming use of force that is being used in the number of people in gaza that have been killed so it's really exacerbated not just the situation between people in gaza and israel but potentially between israel and israel's new allies in the region as well what which was historic when you get israel and sue sunni arab states together in peace accords. Positive thing. it's something that that we should all want for that region but the one thing we don't have right now is is a good faith intermediary between us and the palestinian leadership. Somebody that can help us. Go in there and get a palestinian leader and netanyahu together and really not ask nicely saying this has got to end. You've got to stop killing civilians. This has got to stop we. Let's start with a cease-fire we don't have to have the camp david accords. But i think everybody agrees. We need a cease fire because nothing good is going to happen. Catty this is something. I want to talk to you about we. In america this country will always be pro. Israeli the israelis will always be our allies certainly for the foreseeable future. Okay but we take that for granted. That's not the case in great britain. That's not the case in france. That's not the case across the world when images like this go across the world all that does further isolate israel and the united states it further puts us on an island as these images continue week after week after week like they did in two thousand fourteen. This is not in israel's best interest it's not in the united states best interests and it sure as hell is not in the best interest of the palestinian people. Can you explain people can say. Oh they don't give a damn what they think about us in europe. Will you know what we have to for diplomatic reasons. Can you explain the impact of this on israel's reputation across the world and by extension remember. We are in the moment trying to renegotiate a major nuclear deal with iran. And when i say we i mean europeans and the americans are areas of the world where europeans and americans need to work together in a very urgent way. Joe so we need to be on the same page. You're also right. of course. European public opinion tends to be more pro palestinian than american public opinion. But it's been interesting to see for the first time pretty much since i've lived here. Splits emerging within the democratic party from the more progressive younger wing of the democratic party. Talking more about the palestinians and the need to protect palestinian rights. You hear that very much. In american politics a focus on palestinians themselves what palestinians are going through it. And i think you're hearing that because of the amount of force that the israelis are using and the number of children in particular who have been killed in gaza but it doesn't help israel in terms of its arab new arab relationships because it makes it very hard for those governments not to say so. They don't have much love. Lost in many of those arab states for the palestinian cause rather wash their hands of it but when they're watching on their televisions children and families being bombed nightly and killed in gaza. It's hard for them to stand on the sidelines and not condemn israel. It makes it very difficult for them. Europeans are going to be a wary of israel at the moment and increases frictions as well between europeans potentially and americans. Tony blinken in europe. It'll be interesting to see the degree to which he feels. He has to weigh in on this this week. And certainly that pressure. Joe is growing on the white house. Secretary state has catty. Just said is in europe. And he's made he made calls yesterday from the plane to try to de-escalate this but so far the. Us has not sent a high racking high-ranking to the region to try to broker a reduction in tensions and violence there they do know as as david said earlier their hands are somewhat tied. There's a limit to what they're accesses but the calls are mounting. Yes from within the democratic party for sure but also overseas for president biden to do more. Here he was asked just a couple of days ago if he thought israel's response was proportionate and appropriate and he said certainly israel has a right to defend itself. But there is growing concern. The what we're seeing there. Those images are so horrific. The president needs to step in and try to be louder here to try to lean more on israel to try to rein some of this in and this is going to be. This is becoming an all consuming crisis for this white house. Their first real overseas matter that they may have to jump into and they're concerned about the long the ramifications for the region particularly with the iran. Deal being negotiated. Renegotiate potentially in vienna as we speak in joe as a point of personal privilege. I'd like to salute by brave colleagues associated. Press who were in their office in gaza and we're only minutes to evacuate their building was level with an airstrike and who are continuing to after seeing their personal belongings. Their place of refuge turned to rubble. In a matter. Instance who are still there working on the ground in borrowed office speights. Hopefully they could work is and please stay safe incredibly. Let's note here. Let's note here that none of us. None of us are naive. We understand that hamas places themselves in those locations to attract those bombs. We understand that they hide among children and used children and women and families as human shields. We understand that alright. We understand that. But that doesn't mean you blow through those shields and do exactly what hamas wants you to do and play into hamas's hands you think they care if a leader is killed. Hamas leader is killed if their images of six seven eight children being killed at the same time. No they don't care that's what they want israel to do. And that's what netanyahu is doing. He's damaging israel's reputation not only in israel and not in the region not only across europe but in the united states as well. And i know that most of the world has been hostile towards israel since nineteen forty eight. That's why these tragedies are so damaging to israel's own future when there is no game and we hear net and say he's going to continue the bombing he's going to continue the warfare and we're gonna continue to see palestinian children and women dragged out of rubble. And we're gonna continue to see hamas missiles flying towards jerusalem flying towards israel enough rich joe biden has leverage. Tony blinken has the leverage. They need to use it and for the best interest not just to the palestinian people but for the israeli people and for the state of israel for the state of israel they need to broker a cease fire. Now we're going to certainly return to this but we want to turn now to national political reporter for access jonathan swan who has incredible new reporting for axxess on what was happening behind the scenes at one of the tensest moments between the president and the military in modern history. The reporting is for the final episode of his off. The rails series entitled trump's war with his generals and jonathan. I'm i'm stunned when i'm reading here. In terms of president trump's then attempt to address the afghanistan situation and how we add withdrawal plan. That's for sure. And i'll tell you about that in just a moment but no peace plan. Which is what president biden has to deal with now but it's this piece of paper where they had some directions scrawled out that included. Get us out of this gannett afghanistan. Get us out of iraq and syria complete withdrawal from germany. Get us out of africa. That was the president communicating with top generals through an assistant. Yes so this is november ninth. Should it should just to put it in context at six days after donald trump has lost the election and his form of body man. John mcentee thirty one year old from college football quarterback i was brought back into government to run the office of presidential personnel. He he calls up. Retied army colonel. Douglas mcgregor highly controversial figure. Who's basically been excommunicated from the military establishment calls him into his office in the executive office building sits him. Down jon mcentee has just come from the oval office and presents him with this piece of paper and says this is what the president she do. And it's the list that you just read out and this is not just with talked about afghanistan and it's a big deal when he wanted him to get out before the end of the presidency which today ignatius his credit. He was the first to report that order which was then trump was talked out of that. I'm order but trump wanted to go much broad. He was he was asking through mcentee to complete a withdrawal out of germany. Which would have completely reshaped. America's role in the world our alliances our relationship with nato and this is not some sort of incremental decisions is already ordered. Adroit out from this would have been the one of the most radical foreign policy decisions we've seen in modern history and douglas. Mcgregor is not exactly some person who's cautious about during the world. He's someone who has gone on fox news and attacked congressional leadership and the pentagon is idiots and ridiculed the policies and basically gone for a completely maximalist again out of everywhere in the middle east policy. Even douglas mcgregor was like. I don't know if we could do this before the end of the presidency. So that gives you a sense of Of where things were at. We have david ignatius with it. So you just mentioned. David has a question john. Great reporting let me ask you the question. That really haunted me when i was looking at some of these same events and that is what what was the trump inner circles plan if they could have somehow derailed. biden's Election victory and and gone on january. Twenty did you look into what role these military Might have played in in their larger scheme. Or were these just specific hoc moves in your inner judgment. I never got the sense. I've done you know. Dozens and dozens of hours of reporting on these events and talk to pretty much. Everyone had proximity to them. I don't get a sense. There was a lodge plan. It was trump completely obsessed with reaching and grabbing for what amp he could to try and see rial is transition to try. And overturn the results of the democratic election and obstruct joe biden getting into power and there was this sort of parallel track. When he was trying to get all of this stuff done that he'd been talking about for four years and never actually gotten done but potentially put biden in an extremely dangerous position. And this is what general million others went to the to the president is if you try to withdraw at this precipitous right. Kabul could fall. All of these events could happen in afghanistan and they managed to talk trump out of it but the argument i actually reached out to him for comment for this story and he ended up talking to me on the phone and he was obsessed with the equipment the argument that seemed to resonate with donald trump was. Let's not leave all this expensive equipment behind so that seems to be the thing that you know they always use arguments that appeal to his transactional nature and this seemed to be the one that just barely kept america engaged in afghanistan so that biden could actually approach this in a deliberative fashion donald trump's political career and you see that he really he was transactional and most of his beliefs. He he moved. Yeah he changed radically on abortion. He changed radically on guns. He changed radically and all these other issues. But katty kay the one issue that donald trump has been consistent with over. The decade is his bedrock belief. That americans are suckers that we fight everybody else's war that we spend all of our money on everybody else that we're suckers trade deals that were soccer's by going into iraq that were suckers for keeping for protecting other countries. And so it's interesting. This this fascinating reporting is actually the one thing i think we're. There is a consistent through line from seeing donald trump on the today show in nineteen eighty-eight eight calling a soccer's for leading japan basically by all of the property that he wanted to buy that through line through two thousand twenty where he just didn't think that we should give anything to anybody or fight any wars for anybody but ourselves now. He never seemed to believe that there was any benefit to the us from alliances or relationships that have been built up over decades. That america was only losing out. It was never going to win anything for many of those alliances. Jonathan america was suck us for getting into things. Take the afghan example. For example. did you get any reporting. On whether the afghans sought the kind of trump was being suckered. Did they think that trump will. The generals were in the end in the driving seat yet. That that's a really interesting wrinkle in the story. So there were classified. Nsa intercept that reviewed by several top administration officials and one of these conversations there were afghan officials talking to each other and they were under the strong impression at that. General milley the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the other leaders of the uniform military were basically going to ignore donald trump. Slow roll him And not a withdraw troops on the precipitous. Time line that. The president was publicly hauling for so it was certainly among senior afghans the impression that general milley was holding the line against donald trump in those final days all right national political reporter for access jonathan swan. Thank you very much for coming on this morning. And still ahead on morning joe after being removed from gop leadership congresswoman. Liz cheney is issuing a new warning about the future of the republican party saying it is headed in a dangerous directions. And what exactly do voters think of her ouster. We'll dig into fran new polling on that. You're watching morning joe. We'll be right back one past the hour. Some business news now. Today's the deadline to find. File your federal income taxes for twenty twenty if you haven't already the. Irs extended the april fifteenth deadline to accommodate issues amid the pandemic today is also the deadline to claim any refunds from the twenty seventeen tax year. The irs says it still has more than a billion dollars in unclaimed refunds from twenty seventeen at and t. is reportedly in advanced talks to merge its warnermedia division with discovery according to cnbc. The deal could be announced as soon as today. We'll combine discovery with all of warnermedia which will become a new publicly traded. Company co owned by. At and t. and discovery shareholders warnermedia owns cable channels such as h. b. o. c. n. n. And tbs as well as the warner brothers. Television and film studio discovery has a portfolio that includes its namesake network and hdtv. The wall street journal reports that discovery. Chief executive david zaslov is expected to head. The new company and retailers and restaurants are now weighing how to implement the new guidance lifting masks for the mask mandate for those who are fully vaccinated walmart and sam's club starbucks costco trader. Joe's and publics are all asking guests to follow the honor system and only unmask if they've been fully vaccinated disney parks. Hershey park and universal parks have largely. Lifted the mask. Mandates for outdoors though indoor mask wearing will still be required and certain universal studios is a part of parent company. Nbc universal so you can see joe. It's complicated it's a little conflict. Well give it some time moving forward. I'll give it a couple of days. They're moving forward in the right direction. And they have the honor system and we're at a stage now where we're yeah. They they should follow cdc guideline again. But it takes insane insane. It has to play out. Let's read now from one of the ed like the way it's been a couple of days since the cds return to the life. You had before kobe. If you've been vaccinated vet makes sense. So they're all going to say that at some point and people are going to say. Oh well it does make a big difference if you get vaccinated in your day to day life. Well let's read now. From one of ed looses reason pieces for the financial times entitled biden struggles with western pandemic disunity quote. We should be seeing peak transatlantic cooperation. Battling a common global threat. That would seem like the ideal moment instead. There is growing friction. Unlike europe which has exported more than one hundred million vaccine does is the. Us is still hoarding supplies. Such disparity looks trivial against mounting complaints of global vaccine apartheid india which desperately needs what ever supply anyone can deliver has yet to receive part of the sixteen sixty million astra zeneca doses held by the biden administration though biden denies there is any. Us embargo in practice. There is should america's roughly fifty million or so vaccine hesitant be a bigger priority than the five billion adults around the world who have no choice in the aftermath of the nine eleven attacks. George w bush said america must fight terrorists overseas so it would not have to face them at home. That logic is well suited to today's battle against covid nineteen unlike terrorists. The virus does not discriminate between home and abroad. Neither should the west and ed joins us now. Along with member of the new york times editorial board mara gaye. It's good to have you both this morning. So what is the logic of the by administration on this front. What i think. It's the priorities being to vaccinate americans. I by the way she just quickly thank me for reminding me that. Today's the last day to file taxes because as a jet. I mean dave lines. I haven't yet filed my taxes. Thank you for that reminder. Gotta get you do. I do the a priority. I think is to get america vaccinated and then step up assistance to the well but the pandemic viruses not respecting that kind of sequencing and where we're seeing. These new variants developing in places like india and also leave places like india in britain. Right now the indian double mutants various scary and some people call code. It is already complicating plans to lift restrictions. Britain's behind where the cdc has just arrived at last week and it looks like it's probably going to remain behind. I'm the cdc. Even though britain is actually had in terms of how many people vaccinated so there is a warning there for biting that all the great things that are happening namely the rapid vaccine rollout the economic recovery than is based on that and the good poll numbers. That biden is experiencing or this could very quickly be jeopardized by the arrival of more tricky variance in in american circulation. If you'd like and so the priority of defeating the global Of having a global vaccine wrote out is in just some foreign honesty oh all global humanitarian instinct. It's an essential part of his domestic pans. He's he's got to merge the two and some of that is about building a common position here with the europeans which at the moment is very much lacking not seeing is why for example. On biden's i think very necessary proposition of lifting the patients of waving patients on on these vaccines david. Ignatius has a question. David ed the image of american hoarding and selfishness is is really unattractive. But i'm reminded of what she was here on airlines when we when we fly on them which is be sure to apply your own oxygen masks because attempting to assist others. And i'm. I'm reminded that because i unless the united states vaccinates its own population our ability to be active as a country to to buy the world's goods to be if outward leaning to to make a difference in the world is going to be limited isn't it. That's very true. But i think america has the resources to do all of the above. It can be doing both at the same time. Remember countries like india and africa notching america. They don't have the dollar they can't afford simply to lock down the economy and pay their people to stay home so their only option is to vaccinate people. Quit is to kill this virus. And it's just as much in our interest to because they are essential essentially petrie dishes for the development of new variants. That will assuredly not respect. Us immigration and customs. It'll come straight into this country and test the efficacy of vaccines. So when you think of what the cdc dave last thursday this rather surprising move up saying switching to honor system. I would be a little bit worried about that. In the context of this full of the cdc then turning around and saying look you've got to put them back on again because we've got new variants to deal with and we don't know whether vaccines can cope with them. So i think there's a big sequencing and messaging problem here but the wages deal is vaccinate. The world in america has the resources and mara gaye. I mean that's the that's really the to david's point the fine balance for president biden. Who's dealing with one issue. And that is our appearance around the world. And certainly hoarding vaccine's is not a good look. At the same time we have such radical vaccine hesitancy that is politically motivated and pushed on facebook and through the sort of the whole trump population. And that could change very quickly to he sent our vaccines away overnight and yet we want this country to continue to work toward herd immunity. We need people to get vaccines. That's right we really need to walk and chew gum here. I think one thing to consider is that even though vaccine hesitancy is very real clearly and for several reasons across several demographic groups across the united states there is also a significant population of americans who have not been able to access a vaccine for various reasons in new york for example reporting is is clear that some of the hardest hardest to reach rips in the city tend to be older older new yorkers for example who are black or latino Who live at home or homebound Folks like that folks who are undocumented who are working much of the day who can't access site at certain times so we really do need to. We've kind of done the lower hanging fruit so to speak people who want to get vaccinated people who have the ability to easily take a day off from work and go get vaccinated now. We really need to do the hard work. In the united states of public health messaging to encourage people to get the vaccine at the same time will be knocking on doors making it extremely easy for those with busy lives and hardships to get vaccinated. And i think until we've done that work. We won't really know what the true population of people who refuse to get. The vaccine is but at the same time we do need to be a generating more vaccines and sending them wherever the need is because those variants will bounce right back at us. And i can tell you as a new yorker. I imagine they will be here first. So it's just something to consider. I mean everybody's talking about this fun summer had and that's wonderful but this is not over. Correct ed loose. Thank you so much for being on With us this morning and coming get your taxes done coming up when the us government and the pentagon star taking the possibility of ufo's seriously that reporting is next morning jobs coming right back.

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"We've developed a very good relationship and a we understand each other i do believe he understands me and i think maybe understand him and then yesterday i had the idea maybe chairman kim and save me wants to say hello and so we ain't giving much notice but a we become a we respect each other respect each other like each other senses are first meeting in singapore we get along so we got along we had a great and kind of feeling i want to thank all of you here that are more nobody's heard that before he says president trump the first sitting united states president to step foot in north korea based on an invitation sent over twitter good morning and welcome to morning joe it's monday july the first and still alive and willie geist joe and mika have in the morning off with us we got the president of the council on foreign relations author of the world in disarray richard haass former aide to the george w bush white house and state department the lease jordan former chief of staff at the cia department of defense now and nbc news national security analyst jeremy bash columnist and associate editor for the washington post david ignatius in white house reporter for these associated press jonathan lemaire he's just back from that meeting in korea first things first richard abed jonathan lemaire is not a happy camper i'm gonna let you take that shot so yankee sweep the red sox in london while you were in free is on mir k d and kyrie come into brooklyn and not to the knicks will tackle all those important subject coming up in just a moment on friday president trump tweeted this if chairman kim of north korea sees this i would meet him at the border dmz just a shake his hand and say hello followed by question mark an exclamation point kim jong hoon apparently saw the tweet yesterday leading president trump over the border at the heavily fortified demilitarized militarized zone together they walk several steps and held a brief photo up for north korean photographers after about a minute president trump led him to south korea where they addressed reporters before entering the freedom house for about an our long private conversation with south korean president moon jae in is right here right now i just wanna say it is my honor i didn't really expect answered the door neighbor came over and said hey over here i wanna call chairman kim can we get to me and stepping across headline is agreed on a lot of progress has been made a lot of friendships trips estimated that particular group credit jets tremendous positivity daily great things are happening a lot of places but we met in we liked each other from day one and that was very important on the chairman john worked well together i wanna thank chairman kim for something else when i put out these social media notification if he didn't show up the press who's gonna make me look very mad you made and i appreciate it and it just an honor to be with you and it wasn't honor that you asking yourself where that line is proud to step over the line one of the things you it's been great short as i said jonathan lemaire was there i wanna get the full backstory from john in just a second but i wanna go around the table just quickly richard you're trained mind is a foreign policy analysts you watch that handshake at the dmz first and then listen to those comments afterward where you're thoughts it's still a total emphasis on personal diplomacy see meetings were meant to be a means to an end on it ends and themselves the most interesting thing against that backdrop is the new york times story the administration is reportedly reportedly considering something less than demanding denuclearization what you might call something for something we'd a north koreans would accept certain constraints we in term we give them a degree of sanctions relief that to me would be the possibility of real diplomacy wouldn't solve a problem on my capital or manager that would be meaningful but what we saw the other day no that ended up itself is isn't anything quite honestly the it's not just the hurt the personalization of foreign policy but they keep calling him a friend and so flattering this is a guy who is a dictator were dictators peter's overused he really deserves the description user tyron woodley what's happened inside the country has been a slow motion genocide it makes me wanna pick just my visceral reaction as an american who cares about democracy and human rights the fact that donald trump is going out of his way to kiss up just to this monster instead of actually projecting strength he what is and what have we gotten from the north koreans for all of this pomp and circumstance and the propaganda tool of having the present united states crossing into north korea i don't understand what we've gotten except diminished are own standing in the world remember after the first meeting in singapore jeremy the prison came out immediately and declared claire that north korea agreed to denuclearize that hasn't happened obviously in the year so since then so i guess the question is what comes from that handshake is it a means to an end or is it just a photo op plus symbolism over substance right now i think the question is is it harmless or is it a harmful and i would argue that in the year since the singapore summit the north korean regime has advanced its nuclear missile capability they've had fired ballistic missile short range missiles they probably continued a lot of work on their nuclear their program they haven't disclosed in and provide an accounting for all undisclosed sites so for kim he's playing the long game he's fighting time and increasing his capabilities all the while worth taking a victory lap saying well we got the step over the line they have a photo photo op so david ignatius that new york times piece out this morning that richard references suggested the trump administration is considering accepting not full denuclearization butter freeze at this moment of where north korea which would mean it would have some capability in return for sanctions relief what's your reaction to that idea as i understand the time story the uss is coming back in effect to where north korea was at the time of the noise summit in right february where the the north koreans offered ford ltd closure of their nuclear facility the young young president trump i think wisely rejected that a the summit broke up there was a humiliation for both but especially for the north koreans kim jong un has been thinking in worrying about that and there's a sense that both sides have been exploring what sometimes sometimes called young young plus another words some additional facilities outside of the fence line in young viewing area that are crucial to the north korean nuclear a development stats now the realm of of of discussion exploration that's good that's a that's a up inappropriate style these other thing i take as positive in this and i have a slightly different you i think penalties and and and and richard near me that this this is a you know photo op diplomacy but it's seems to be opening up the kind of working level discussions will be part of any real denuclearization process to me the most important thing trump said with all kind of a planned a shipment of kim jong on my dear friend at cetera et cetera was speed is not an object in these talks in other words he's he's finally recognizing the new denuclearization as long complicated process that is step by step if this this next idea young plus called again is is one of the things that they're talking about that that sounds appropriate that sounds in in an area where we should be now so i i don't think where we can assess fast but this is in any sense and achievement of something concrete hasn't made the world safer but it is a rehabilitation of the process of talks that are they're good for you security good for good for smith northwest asian jonathan lemaire i woke up yesterday morning early getting ready for my sunday today show and saw right away you're tweets you're reporting you're video that you sent out photographs you were right there when all that history is being made yesterday was it actually though as impromptu as the president has led on is it appeared to be wasn't really just the tweet kim jong un and his people saw or heard about an agreed to step into the dmz with well first off to richard the red sox were disappointing on basketball confidence there's no question about that with the back story here let's actually flash back to november twenty seventeen when the president's made and try to make his first of the dmz in mind you this is the height of the tensions with north korea in and the rhetoric like fire and fury when the two nations seemed to be on a collision course perhaps even for conflict at that time the president's yeah we're files on that trip is well we're five minutes away from the border when they had a turn the helicopters around because the fog was too dense land but that triple shrouded in secrecy the win white house press secretary sarah sanders told reporters about she wouldn't even say the word letters dmz out loud she wrote it on a piece of paper and held it up to us when we went to the motorcade had out this time it was all about publicity with stoked by the president himself now there is the the trip to the dmz itself had been worked for weeks the white house were not officially confirmed the we did our reporting knew that part of it was coming the kim invitation to does appear to be relatively spontaneous taking both governments u s in south korea by surprise when the president offered at over twitter while we were still in japan on saturday a with you but by the end of that day there was a sense that jamie kim would show up the white house of course did not confirm that until just a few hours for the dmz and it wasn't extraordinary same questions of course it'd be raised about what this it's really means is we time and time again this is a president who values foreign policy seems to me about personal reporter with foreign leaders and we thought and other examples during this week long summit as well with a german gee of china and a bama bin salman of saudi arabia rabia an of course rhetoric who russia where the president's seemed more interested in sort of touting their cozy relationship and ashley extracting any sort of a policy success a but it certainly was it was a moment for history the images we'll resident around the globe at least for the time being what we saw yesterday when you know the media had a bit of a scuffle with north korea security in order to watch it but the president went up to the line shook kim's handed upon kim's invitation stepped over into north korea and then came back that presented certainly a tremendous photo op but it's gonna take time and see what comes of that day let's look at the other side of this richer what it must be like 'em in north korea this morning we've seen some of the propaganda already in there is a splash blasts of course all over the front pages of their media and on their television programs what did kim jong hoon get out of this moment right here oh he gets this degree of international recognition a and he gets the the promise promise of sanctions relief which is what he want this is a country that's hurting economically they paid enormous price for their their closing this for their resistance to market control in innovation so they have introduced a a degree of them so that's that's the real thing that he cannot hold out is i'm internationally accepted we are permanent reality as a as a ridge as a government as a as a country which is a big deal or no longer food facing the prospect of war what looked like a couple of years ago not because they've changed by the way but because plus we we've pulled back and that's where they one thing i disagree i think what the president's is this whole patience idea the tying were not in any rush as germany disappointed that we ought to be in a little bit of rush time is not neutral north korea is using time they do not need overt testing of nuclear weapons and long range ballistic missiles in need in order to increase their amount of nuclear material for bombs to increase their number of nuclear weapons to continue to innovate and improve their their long range ballistic missiles and that's where the president i think has at off the good news though is that if there is a possibility depends on the details of a limited deal on north korea would say now twentyfive nuclear weapons were forty nuclear weapons that's better than a north korea one or two hundred nuclear weapons on constrain world so again it all depends upon what were able to negotiate and then what north korea would actually do which history suggests there's a gap between what they agree to and what they do but if we could at least lockin freezing the ceiling that boater gonna uncontrolled on regularly she's in richard i guess i would ask you what can he has this foreshadow what's happening with iran as you look at north korea and the administration has this hardcore position where they are giving an inch and then now suddenly looks like they are going to give an inch over time and then with iran we probably going to say something similar happened at the end of the day possibly possibly i think those you could argue this one round the flop the good news is new administration might be willing to have a in twenty fifteen nuclear agreement the jcp away jcp away two point oh or plus we would say ron okay we're gonna withstanding agreements in the time make a much longer term and by the way you can't tap ballistic missiles either that would be good this shows ministration and that may be willing to chase it all their pressure and turn it into a policy again not a solution or not these other way though you're audience may be watching this and say oh cool we just hang tough and basically we could have nuclear weapons is well so this one i think i bet in in toronto today there's some interesting conversations of germany let me ask you something that a lot of people smart people i know in the foreign policy lives said which is it's always been a pipe dream i think that north korea was gonna fully give up its nuclear program it's all it's got in the world is silly leverage see only reason the president united states stepped into the gym walked into north korea yesterday he's denuclearization full they get rid of their nuclear program altogether is that a pipe dream well i don't know at the end of the day it's ultimately achievable but i think we have to work hard towards it we certainly shouldn't abandoned it at this stage we first and foremost need a full accounting of all the undisclosed price in my concern about the way the president has set this up with all the flattery and all the pomp and circumstance is that if you put yourself in the room of the north korean advisors to kim jong hoon they're saying hey mr chairman this guy relishes rewards just a photo op it incentivizes them to deliver trump photo op as opposed to a real substance they don't have to deliver substance is almost trump is praising them for the symbolism so that meeting came at the end of a long week jonathan mentioned saudi crown prince mohammad bin salman at the g twenty president trump again declined to place any blame on nbs for the murder of washington post columnist jamal shoji the pair were seen chatting among the world leaders before the g twenty class photo in japan where president trump praised the crown prince crown prince of saudi arabia friend of mine i man who has rarely done things in the last five years in terms of opening up saudi arabia democracy shoghi sorry with our thank you very much this president's on the case of democracy shoghi we have a lot of journalists in this room who objected to what appears to be the saudi government's complicity in perhaps orchestration of the assassination and dismembering other journalists and when you were given the opportunity to call mohammed bin salman out on that you did not do it did you do it privately you do you agree that it is despicable for government to kill a journalist enough yes i do i think it's horrible or anybody else by the way i think it's horrible double a and if you look at look into saudi arabia you see what's happening thirteen people or so have been prosecuted a others are being prosecuted they've taken very very seriously and they will continue to i will also say nobody said nobody so far has pointed directly at finger at the future king of saudi arabia you mentioned that no one had a pointed the finger at him but actually the cia intelligence committees on i cannot comment on intelligence community i just i'm not a probably i i guess i'm allowed to do what i wanna do in terms of that right we could declassify unlike hillary clinton she decided to just give it out weaken declassified the truth is it i just don't wanna talk about a intelligence david ignatius the president's suddenly not willing to comment on intelligence which is made a tent pole of his argument the deep state and everything else but they question there was correct the cia concluded that the crown prince of saudi arabia whom the president praised the few sive lee at the g twenty ordered execution and everything that followed from their of your former colleagues jamalco shoji for people who new meyer and jamal and i'm one of them was really deeply disappointing to see the president essentially give mom and been something on a pass in this big public forum president's role should be about accountability saturday a judicial process such as it is is continuing at the very least the president's could have said we x are overweight and expect it clear a verdict the whole hold those responsible for the murder of jamal shoji account accountable well he didn't say that i think it is troubling in some of peace with so many other things and we saw this weekend the press presents comfort level with dictators authoritarian you know it often seems easier his people these guys he travels around the world even the people he makes deals with in this particular case where this is a murder case and the president's stands for all of us as americans who were concerned about american my colleagues out murdered it's really really disturbing to just see him just basically drop that how how ironic that he suddenly the best friend of the intelligence committee i can't possibly about intelligence here that's that's a new one for for president trump but it wasn't it was of all the things it happened on this weekend i think that was a woman had anything just shaking my head resident even manages turn that question the hillary clinton somehow the president's said the crown prince of saudi arabia is doing quote spectacular job and when asked about the murder of jamal shoji he said nbs is quote very angry about it still ahead on morning joe a top trump officials said on friday reports about migrant children being held in terrible conditions were unsubstantiated but new reporting shows and internal watchdog warned about one facility in may plus president trump has largely stayed away from attacking senator and twenty twenty candidate comma harris but over the weekend his son don jr stepped in will get to that but first bill parents has a look at the forecast to bill monday morning to you happy july typically are hottest month and she's pretty story in every now and then we get a hurricane or tropical storm right now happy to report the tropics quiet they're not worried about that this week we are worried about heavy rain in minnesota we've had flash flooding highway nineteen is closed this time and you could see the flash flood warnings even one in wisconsin now in these overnight storms flash flood watch over the rochester area just south of minneapolis until noon today let's get into your weekend forecast a lot of people on vacation and a lot of people traveling this week today were quist clear on the east coast it's gonna be hot this afternoon but at least we'll have no problems with rain and thunderstorms maybe a stray storm in florida typical but that's it let's fast forward the wednesday this is called the busiest travel day of the week organiz he numerous rounds of storms i seventy driving anywhere from chicago to just just south of detroit indianapolis include into this no problems in areas of the desert southwest and much of the west is dry all week law then let's fast forward in the friday hit and miss storm still in ohio valley and as far as a fourth of july those very typical could be very very warm just about everywhere and this is the forecast for the fireworks macy's in new york seventy eight degrees slight chance of a shower storm but again it's not gonna be a rain washed out anywhere just hit and miss showers and storms as we go throughout the 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respond to that question in front of the hour on everybody else we're afraid of are you were you afraid of offending him on that subject no no no no i don't really care about offending people i said it's like you know the that is more president trump at the g twenty note the first sound where they discuss fake news this russian state television video usa media was not present in the room at that time american press was brought in their moments later after that exchange but let's talk about the substance of exchange jeremy when they're joking about fake news given president putin's track record with the media a disgusting well we've gone from no collusion collusion isn't a crime to collusion is good i welcome it yeah and i think they eat some substance that exchange and they other comments by the president recently green light green light to russia and other countries to interfere in the twenty twenty election a what was it like being in the room jonathan lemaire as you travel along with the present united states and listen time it against him sort of cozy up into joke the president's poon about not meddling in the election to joke with the crown prince mohammad bin salman then he's doing a fantastic job and then to see that handshake of course yesterday with another dictator kim jong hoon yeah this is routine for this president's that video you played a moment ago that was my question to the president in front of the crown prince asking if he would address the murder of jamal showdown with him and he heard me he he later denied it but he looked at me her being ignored it a this is we've seen time and time again the he will not do no matter who is standing with no matter what strongman he will not to their face tried them or lecture them we saw them we saw it in helsinki of course when he would not change side with usa intelligence agencies over latimer putin about about the twenty sixteen election interference we saw on display repeatedly this weekend when he was joking there with president who within the finger wag and the smile but it was clear that he you know this is not something that wasn't any substance and in fact in the readout of the meeting put out later election security nowhere to be found there was there was no suggestion and it was addressed with coon when they were behind closed doors and then certainly with the crown prince the president's embracing him sort of help the conference kind of establish himself on the world stage again this weekend he had been sort of treated as a pariah in some international community since the murder of shoghi a but this weekend he was receiving handshakes and back slaps from all sorts of world leaders in part because the president's a near stood next time and time again and then of course certainly on display yesterday at the dmz with chairman kim i mean we haven't really talked about otto warmbier yet young american heroes killed the certainly the difficult images i would imagine for his family to see the president's embrace kim but it all these matters this president's views foreign policy as a transactional matter and he feels like he will deal with anyone he'll negotiate with anyone no matter what their humans rights record's may be if he can get a deal done american interests and he's not going to use the power of the president's ear the power of the moments like so many of his predecessors to try to suggest other leaders they need to run their countries differently in better with more on guard for their own citizens jonathan right just two things one is next year by the way not the japanese the saudis are the hosted the g see twenty so this is just the warm up for the kind of normalization let bygones be bygones approach with the with the show this is not a trump doctrine willie but it's a trump pattern that this is the most narrow foreign policy a thing about it with the chinese we don't talk talk about hong kong for the repression of the leaders in in camps which russia you ignore deed the convention on the election meddling with the turks we basically he blames everything on the obama administration meanwhile he's reopen the possibility of arm sales despite everything they're doing north koreans we ignore what's going on domestically the saudis we ignore any exaggerates their domestic accomplishments kind of not a doctrine but it is the most narrow it's amoral to the point almost of immorality holiday in american foreign policy we used to stand for something yes we have traditional foreign policy goals but we did stanford democracy we did stand for human rights we did have a preference for allies sure democratic now why she hears essentially a a total discarding the idea that the united states in the world stance from more narrow commercial or foreign policy interest so we've essentially we've given that a four nothing dental east time and again the president's been given opportunities often by jonathan lemaire by the way whether it was in helsinki or the g twenty to say and do the right thing on a big world sergio is the one he doesn't have the capacity to do the right thing because he doesn't genuinely believe it and as richard was saying it's not doctrine it simply transaction by transaction on a piecemeal smell basis as he feels he can net and immediate went in the media there's no long term strategy here it's just donald trump trying to get that photo op that he thinks maybe will help his election prospects in twenty twenty or let's turn now to internal report prepared by the department of homeland security's expected inspector general and obtained by nbc news which counters the statement by d h as acting secretary kevin machelandon on friday the news stories of port conditions for children quarter stations were unsubstantiated inspectors highlighted intense overcrowding during a may seventh tour of the border station in el paso noting only four showers available for almost eight hundred migrants more than half of whom were being held outside inside the reports said it's element for a maximum of thirty five a one hundred and fifty five adult males with only one toilet in sync with temperatures in the cells reaching more than eighty degrees joining us now the reporter behind the story national security reporter for nbc news julia ainsley julie a good morning so break this down for us where's the conflict in this reports some dhs could question is at what this what happened on friday said acting secretary kevin michelina said that those reports unsubstantiated stand shaded they were talking about last week clearly he said that those were all through the eyes of lawyers who went into these facilities and they basically over blue what they saw but now this report the jacob but i am taint should as early as may seventh dhs inspector general their own watchdog set off red flags internally the warned about some of these very same conditions those lawyers sound the same conditions that kevin mcelwain and said unsubstantiated and the same sector that set el paso sector of texas they saw children who were wearing the same clothes they saw that overcrowding you mentioned they even said it got to the point guard cdp personnel starting to arm themselves and areas of they would not normally kerry guns because they feared riots that is the point that this already at months ago so it also begs the question why dhs made their soul response to this more money remember they kept asking for more money at finally passed last week step four point point five billion dollars more detention space but they acted as if that wasn't emergency they came up very suddenly when in fact they've done for months if there were problems that could have been avoided one thing we found is that some of the agents were action going out with their corporate card their government credit card to buy more food because there wasn't enough soon so there are things that could have been put in place to avoid this and of course it does counter some of what we've heard from this administration that knowing taxis were sanitary conditions and the children were treated well you and jacob been reporting so well and so many of these stories at the border i think a lot of people conflate of some of these stories so who exactly are we talking about which migrants are in these particular facilities that you're reporting on this morning yeah thanks for doing that because you're right just turns into one thing where we get kind of numb to all of these immigrants who mainly central americans who have crossed the border is handed themselves in asking for asylum but under us law they have to be held and processed and customs and border protection and then they're sent off to the custody of ice if they are a family or a single adult or health and human services if third unaccompanied child so these are people who aren't should be spending within seventy two hours and these border stations but instead they're staying there in some cases says four weeks because of that increase some of argue that instead they should be released after their process because it's inhumane so keep that in these conditions for so long or joy england another day another big report from you and you're team will rereading reporting at nbc bbc news dot com thanks so much joy in their bond issue laughing obviously that is i remember getting on that yellow by i you know i end end so many of us do and then interestingly enough it since i've talked about it people who i don't know it reached down they are you know especially in the in the center lane out across the country all across our country for most people don't like i heard an a and i listened to and i respect senator harris but you know we all know that a thirty seconds the sixty seconds on the campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed the civil rights i never never never ever oppose voluntary bussing as a program the senator harris participated in a made a difference in the life i did support federal action to address the root causes segregation schools communities i've always been in favor of federal authority overcome state initiated segregation that's former vice president joe biden speaking on friday to a largely african american audience of the reverend jesse jackson's rainbow push coalition in chicago biden continues ten used to respond to his opposition to bussing which was a flash point of course between him and senator kamla harris in thursday night's debate in the new morning console poll conducted after both debate nights biden is at thirty three percent dr dropping five points from the beginning of last week senator bernie sanders remains level at nineteen percent senator harris has doubled her support though up six points to twelve percent senator elizabeth warren is tied for third at twelve percent mayor pete buddha judge down to six six percent senator cory booker three beddoe rourke in andrew yang each at two percent the daily beast reports the data compiled by the democratic polling firm democracy core show biden's favor ability with african american voters actually going up a net eighteen percent after the debate pulsar stay in greenburgh chalk that up to defensiveness over the perception that they attacks and by or attacks on me obama biden legacy but the same survey also showed the percentage of people who would vote provide then consider voting for him went down eleven points from eighty one percent to seventy two percent joining us now white house correspondent for pbs newshour jimmy johnson door in new york times reporter jeremy peters good morning to you both let me start with you we put these morning console poll up at shows camila harris i think there's a lot of people expecting getting a nice and bump from her performance at the debate joe biden ticking down just a bit how big a problem do suspect this bussing question is for joe biden in a democratic primary or will they exchanged between joe biden and senator harris really wants the court issues at stake in a democratic primary in that is issues of identity issues of diversifying issue the representation i think when we talk about the idea that she went after him for bussing she also said at the very beginning of that exchange as well as the only black woman on the stage i wanna have a moment and talk about race when she was doing there were saying look i'm gonna be able to talk about the fact that i'm a woman ended on black and make that central to my campaign which she hasn't along also bringing of course all her marriage so the two to the stage and i've been talking to civil rights activists across the country who tell me but they're not really trying to let up on this what they want to keep talking about joe biden's history they see it as problematic so i think if senator harris continue to build on this momentum and then she could continue to theorize missiles hurt her campaign over the weekend sends out some new fundraising numbers they say they they raised about two million dollars right after the debates and what you see is that she's not just a rise in polls but she's also getting more money so i think senator harris she might at some point become the front runner but this is a long long race so in other words i think joe biden also has this idea that he has all the support from jesse jackson and other people who questioned his his his bussing policies butter also open they have again informed in hosting him and he's got support from people like john lewis and jim cliburn is well just in the last couple of weeks jeremy of the present united states obviously not been shy about going after some of the members of the field in the democratic primary here but hasn't had much to say about senator harris says since this campaign launched and you've got some new reporting this morning but they're a little bit concerned about her as opponent willie what joe biden's performance in and camel harris confrontation of him on thursday night did was kind of reset a couple of important assumptions about the race one it gave us a glimpse of what she might look like as eight debate sparring partner against president trump and ship is a pretty fierce performance number two it kind of shattered this aura of invincibility of dominance of the joe biden had enjoyed for a really long time in the trump campaign president trump himself a specially hasn't really figured out how gotta deal with camel harris he knows how to attack somebody like elizabeth warren writing and ridicule her pocahontas thinking colored goofy he knows how to go after joe biden he's told aides of the reporting in the story the any carney i had enough times over the weekend showed he's told aides then he sees a joe biden as e mail version of hillary clinton this is familiar territory for him but when it comes to female adversary president trump has shown time and time again that he does not take criticism from women well at all couple that with the fact that she is a minority and i just don't think he can handle that he he having that on top of a criticism from african american woman prosecutor who knows how to go for his weaknesses knows how the gopher the weaknesses of of of all her opponent says she demonstrated with joe biden it's just not something he's process and she he's he's been unable to really settle on a line of attack about her a an end will kind of see how that plays out so during thursdays democratic debate donald trump junior shared a tweet the question senator kamla harris is race the reach wheat of all right commentator alley alexander said quote comal harris is implying she's descended from american black slaves she is not she comes from jamaican slave owners that's fine she's not in american black period this person wrote trump junior share the tweet writing is this true wow by the end of the night he had deleted that tweet on friday a spokesperson for done junior told the new york times it had been a misunderstanding in the tweet was simply him asking if it was true the camel harris was half indian because it's not something he'd ever heard before and once he saw that folks were misconstruing the intent of his tweet he quickly deleted it gimme shelter indoor i think a lot of people saw this early line of attack on calmly harris and said here we go again with reflections back to the birther movement of which donald trump was the league cheerleader for what we learned from donald donald trump junior tweeted that birtherism to point out likely will not work because people have now seen it and let's just put it out cleanly when you're questioning someone's background of african american descent you're it's simply racist what what's going on there this idea that somehow how come senator harris being of indian in jamaica descent somehow doesn't make her have the african american experience when she was born in america in with a bus in america is really something that gets at the core of this is these issues that were dealing with phil which which is that people want to really try to look for ways to to really divide the african american community and say well you're you're both stopped in jamaica and you're stopped in haiti to should not get along that is again simply race it so i think that people are smarter this time around i think people are are ready to call this out very quickly and i think that's why you saw donald trump junior unbeliev that tweet it goes back with jeremy was saying they just simply don't know how to deal with senator harris now what they've learned that birtherism is not gonna wait the way that they're gonna be able to deal at her near right it is it's racist garbage that used to exist on the fringes but has been elevated now but people like don jr tweeting it meanwhile the first fundraising numbers of the second quarter in andy pete buddha judge campaign says it has raised nearly twenty five million dollars from two hundred ninety four thousand donors with an average contribution of less than forty eight dollars campaign says it has more than twenty two million dollars in cash on hand jeremy peters that isn't eyepopping number for a guy who sort of quietly had also had a good night in the debate that's absolutely right willie it's it's a norm it's a an that comes from four hundred thousand donors over the course of the first and second quarter the campaigns reporter so that suggests a real grassroots movement there for the judge also shows though that he's had a lot of success as we've reported raising money for more traditional sources of democratic campaign finance you have silicon valley hollywood there's an awful lot of lgbt money in to so he's kind of spreading himself out a in a in a pretty strategic way here willie i would say though however that these numbers are lagging indicator they're not leading indicators they pulled us what he raised in the second second quarter now he's had a couple of notable politicals stumbles 'em this issue in south bend with their anger in the african american community over the police shooting has been a real problem for him is he going to be able to get past that has that kind of dented his popularity you know we haven't seen all that many poll numbers just tell us anything along those lines but money isn't everything and he's got to be a consistent performer on the campaign trail going forward and will just have to see how that plays out twenty two million will keep you around for a while to foot consistency you me i've got a question for you it's now july the the next democratic debates come at the end of this month is they're talking about changing the format all the criteria for participation or because there is an argument that this is not help the candidates or the strength of who's ever gonna be at the top of the ticket and you see the party establishment is rethinking the question of threshold for participation ordered a shrink the number of people standing on stage i'm not quite sure if we're gonna be a different format what we saw is that obviously harsher some candidates getting you think of andrew yang marianne wilson they both talk very like only a couple of minutes each way so i think what we're seeing is that people realize but if you want a vigorous debate about policies you might wanna go down a bit but at the same time you have democrats are still raising a lot of money they're still in some ways polling pretty well and it's still so early on but i think when you thought to debate nice and they were obviously very

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Well good evening once again. Dave fourteen hundred twenty eight of the trump administration thirty four days until joe biden takes the oath of office and becomes the forty sixth president of the united states. Tonight the fda's advisory panel has endorsed the moderna vaccine. The full fda could grant emergency authorization as soon as tomorrow. This means more protection will soon be on the way for more americans. The prospect of two vaccines qualifies as hope in the midst of an uncontrolled pandemic as we enter this dark winter confirmed cases. Now topping seventeen million about double. The cases reported exactly two months ago. Think of that and again tonight. The daily death toll well above three thousand that means a death about every thirty seconds across our country and b. c. news has confirmed the wife of the health secretary alex as as tested positive as our himself says he's testing negative. He plans to keep working at his office. While social distancing and wearing a mask as the health crisis continues to deepen the nation's also grappling with a broad and active national security threat as the scale of this suspected russian cyberattacks is just now becoming more clear u. s. officials. Now say this attack has been ongoing since march. They warn a quote grave risk and. That's the trump administration talking. Not just the president. Who's not saying anything on this topic. The targets are said to include the nuclear weapons laboratories at the department of energy as well as pantagon and h departments of commerce treasury state homeland. Security it's a lot. Several non-governmental organizations also came under attack were told today in and to the surprise of no one putin denied any involvement in any hacking of us targets russian. Hackers have never interfered and the elections. They've never helped trump get elected. This is all just wild conjecture. This is just a pretext to try to saw the relations between russia and the us still nothing from the outgoing president about any of this as we said. But president-elect biden did issue a statement that read in part and we quote. I want to be clear. My administration will make cyber security a top priority at every level of government and we will make dealing with this breach a top priority. From the moment we take office among other things imposing substantial costs on those responsible for such malicious attacks our adversaries should know that as president. I will not stand idly by in the face of cyber assaults on our nation. The silence from donald trump has not gone unnoticed on capitol hill to the president of the united states. This is serious. This is about the security of america. It's about a known adversary of the united states that we have been fighting with for decades. Say something let the world know that. We're not going to stand by idly and let some country do this sort of invasion. A cyber hack of this nature is really the modern equivalent of almost russian bombers reportedly flying undetected over the entire country in the setting not to have the white house Aggressively speaking out and protesting and taking a punitive action is really really quite extraordinary. President trump did take time today to threaten to quote veto. The defense bill which will make china very unhappy if he does that. Senate leaders are talking about holding override. Vote before the outgoing congress expires. One senator today noted that measure goes a long way toward protecting our country from attacks. This bill is the most significant piece of cyber legislation. I believe the congress has ever passed the provision in that bill are critical to protecting us from the kind of hack that we have experienced over the last well. It's been six or eight months. We just discovered in the last few days and tonight year elected representatives are indeed still struggling to hammer out a kovic relief. Bill of some sort while also trying to pass a short term spending bill. That's to keep the government from shutting down at midnight tomorrow. New unemployment claims show eight hundred. Eighty five thousand. More of our fellow citizens have lost their jobs in this pandemic meanwhile the biden transition is moving forward new mexico democratic congresswoman debbie holland former guest on this broadcast will be joe biden's for secretary of the interior. This is interesting if approved. She'd be the first native american to hold a cabinet position in deed as a thirty fifth generation native american a member of the laguna pueblo population. She may be the most american member of congress in. us history. Michael regan said to be the choice for. Epa administrator similar to his current job for the state of north carolina trump's allies are continuing their focus on the president-elect's son despite reports that trump himself is pushing for special counsel investigation into hunter biden. Trump today declared quote. I have nothing to do with the potential prosecution of hundred nor the biden family is just more fake news. Actually i find it. Very sad to watch. Biden himself was asked about the continued controversy during an interview with stephen. Colbert airing tonight. We have great confidence in our. I'm not concerned about any accusations. Made against him. It's used to get to me. I think it's kind of foul play but look it is what it is. And he's a grown man is smartest man i know with that. Let's bring in our leadoff guests on this thursday night. In december susan page veteran journalist bestselling author. Usa today washington bureau chief. Jonathan lamar white house reporter with the associated press and clint watts a former. Fbi special agent distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute and our national security analyst also is the author of messing with the enemy surviving in a social media world of hackers terrorists russians and fake news. So you see why he would be an ideal guest tonight. However susan i must begin with you and the white house and washington. I'm gonna read from the president's official schedule from today He spoke with king salman of Saudi arabia he signed bills renaming. Three post offices signed a bill. For women's suffrage monument sent three nominations and won withdraw senate susan not to be snide but this does not include his time on twitter does not include the time he did not spend criticizing russia or putin does not include any time fighting for the american people to get those resources that they so badly need. We are used to a certain decline in public. Engagement when presidents are turned out and awaiting the next inauguration. Have you ever. How ever seen anything like this now. Never had we've seen a couple of president in a similar situation. George h w bush. Jimmy carter defeated in their efforts for a second term But we've never seen him. I think you'd probably have to go back to. At least herbert hoover hoover defined a president. Who seems so disconnected from the crisis golfing the country as he's preparing to leave office. Of course hoover had the great depression. Hoover have the combination of crises. And the things it president trump did not have on scheduled. Date did not talk about on twitter. Which would include record deaths from the pandemic new unemployment claims going up in this report of disturbing fiber act on our country from our adversary russia. It's really quite phenomenal. and it. Even though we see president elect biden trying to act presidential by putting out statements on this. There's no substitute for what the sitting president can do to focus the country's attention express the country's grief the sitting president has that role it is not a role that the president is fulfilling at this moment. Clint wants this does leave us. The american people feeling uniquely helpless to learn that there's been an ongoing cyber attack for all we know still ongoing based on your understanding and we don't need to scare people anymore than they've been scared by this. how severe. How broad has this attack ben. I think it's important to know brian. This is what predominantly looks like an espionage attack. Meaning they were going in and trying to gather secret so this wasn't necessarily a cyber attack offense that was trying to disable systems or maybe changed both. And i think that's important to keep in context here a little bit at the same point. It just shows that after we've spent billions of dollars and many years trying to defend our system the russians of innovated yet again and do not feel deter in terms of what they're doing cyber action they have been at this for years against this and you can bet brian if this was china now. The president's twitter feed would be lit up with complaints and rants about china. Why we need to go at him. But today we fear nothing about russia coming from the president. We're about russia and what we were going to do in response to twenty sixteen. We've seen russian agents going. All around europe poisoning. People like navalny people in the uk assassination attempts in germany and recently. We learned that there might be a sonic weapon. That's being used against you. As citizen diplomats intelligence officers and who is the likely suspect for that it would be russia so the question is what would the president stand up against russia war. Is there anything that he would do that for. And if this is not just another chance where we could do something why not. It also puts the upcoming biden administration in a really tough spot. We don't know what secrets have. already been. Poached at this point it will probably take one two maybe three months to figure out the depth of this hack so it's a very dangerous situation for the country right now and we must hope that they did not penetrate into those classified networks In a lot of these government agencies so far it doesn't seem that they have But it's still quite dangerous to know that they were going after individual targets in a lot of these locations rather the us government. jonathan lemaire. No one needs to remind you. As white house correspondent this president chooses repetition in the face of facts that don't agree with him of and almost comically keeps repeating that. No one's been tougher on russia than he has a. I wanna play for you. This exchange you had with him. This is july. Twenty eighteen helsinki finland president denied having anything to do with the election year. Two thousand sixteen intelligence agency has concluded that russia did. Who do you believe that he just said it's not russia. I will say this. I don't see any reason why it would be. I have great confidence in my intelligence people but I will tell you that. President putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial jonathan lemaire. It's the enduring mystery of this administration. It was the initial mystery of this administration but does that exchange which still holds up today in the way it lends itself to a jaw. Dropping reaction does that exchange. Say all we were all so much younger than brian. It is groundhog day. In many ways for this administration it it is ending as it began with the trump and his team refusing to be tough on russia. Of course in two thousand sixteen. It was the election interference. The president came to office With the aid of russians efforts there To to meddle in our election this time around and paid paid no price. Now from the white house sanctions. Otherwise of course there are moments. Were congress got tough with russia but this white house did not and yes. That moment in helsinki sort of was the high water mark of perhaps low water mark of this effort. Where the president cited with putin over the us his own us intelligence agencies and nothing really has has changed you're seeing him in the administration's final days still refusing to talk tough to challenge whom to tell him to knock it off which is what he refused with election. Difference what he's refusing to do now with this hack. He was briefed on it today. According to our reporting but silence from the white house we did hear from president. Joe biden but as was just said those words don't carry the weight of the office not yet and this is a sitting president. Who could make a statement here on his way out the door but he's not yet another example of he has abandoned his post. Darren a derelict of duty. He is seeded the leadership of the physician whether it be on the vaccine whether it be on response to the pandemic and now this not challenging russia when the nation needs to susan. I wanna play for you. And our audience peter navarro. This is from fox news as people watch this. Please remember his job. Title is a trade policy and manufacturing policy in this white house. As you watch this. Please remember he has a master's and a ph d. from harvard. Here now peter. Navarro what i think we need to do. Tomorrow is appoint a special prosecutor to look at this issue. I think the georgia race needs to be postponed to february. I need to do something before. Inauguration day otherwise. Let's say you're going to have an illegitimate president so susan. If the president's trade negotiator is talking that way presumably for an audience of one on cable news. Does this give us a window. Perhaps into why. Donald trump is still playing out the election. That's already been decided well. President trump has not conceded the election. Although he's giving some signs that he realizes he's gonna have to be moving out of the white house on on january twentieth. And this of course. I think signals the president's eagerness to dispute the counting of the ballots in congress. The electoral college ballots on january six. All you need is one member of the house in one member of the senate to do that. And one thing we saw on the president's her tonight is praised by him. The tommy tucker ville they senator elect from alabama. Who has indicated he might be willing to join with mo brooks the alabama congressman In butte and challenging the counting of the electric portraits. That's not going to change the outcome. They're not going to be able to prevent. Joe biden from being elected president. But they can do what. Peter navarro was just doing in that clip which is fueled questions about whether joe biden was legitimately elected. They've already convinced. A fair share of trump's supporters that he was not elected parents work. That's a huge hurdle for the new president to be facing clint. Back over to your belly. Wick susan the point. That at least biden is putting out statements. Slamming russia for this. Does this necessarily put off retaliation to the new presidency is half possibly gonna come with the job. I think so. Brian i i think the new administration is going to be boxed into a degree Based on these recent actions and still not knowing the depth of. There's a good chance they won't entirely understand the scope of this half at the same point. I do worry about the incoming administration. Which is they have. Put diplomacy purse and that is something we've tried in the last two administration. The obama administration the bush administration before that tried to negotiate tried to reset with russia and both times was met with more hostility. More aggression. I tend to see that more sanctions will be rolled out but we also know that's not really a deterrent. The russians have been sanctioned routinely They have been pushed on the financial front. And it has not down at all if you talked to an oligarchy about sanctions. Sure they'll be upset that they also will say well. There's bitcoin do their alternatives. Now which leaves. What are other solution. Is it military. Is information countering. Disinformation countering propaganda. Is it intelligence where we finally get more aggressive. The way that we fought in the counterterrorism space where we might go china we do that with russia again and then the last part is building partnerships. You hear a lot of this discussion coming from the new national security figures coming in with a biden administration. But if you're in europe right now and you're hearing about a possible trump when he twenty four run. Do you really wanna put all your eggs. Back in america's basket when that basket might get turned over on your head again in four years and jonathan lemaire. You get the last word daily beast reporting tonight that donald trump has been discussing with friends perhaps bringing back the apprentice franchise and brand name. No word on what network would be willing to air such a thing. It would certainly be on brand brian. Although lately it's his go to tack has yet not really been your fire. Rather i will pressure you until you quit. Um which is less of a catch less. Perhaps catchy phrase for the trademark of the show. But that's what we do with the general bar. Of course we know that that was born out of frustration because of bars refusal to agree with the president is a baseless claims of election fraud and as well as his refusal to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate hundred by the president was furious bar followed doj guidelines and did not fast track that investigation into the president-elect son did not publicize it he was falling would department protocol by doing so and the president. Well he was less than happy about that. And he has been telling allies as we've been reporting That's what he wants now that he wants the acting attorney. General jeffrey rosen. Do it and rosen. Won't he very well may fire him and replacing with someone who will. That's at least one of the things he's talking about right now. Which of course would be extraordinarily destabilizing here in the final thirty days of his administration and really make things difficult for the biden team as they come in and that would really be the point here. It's not about justice it's about trying to sabotage the biden administration before it even starts. So that is why presidents focuses at least partially but now maybe a tv compact as well with appreciation to our big three tonight. Jonathan lumieres susan page and as you may have gathered west point graduate. Clint watts are great. Thanks for starting us off gang. Appreciate it coming up for us. Try containing a raging pandemic when one prominent cable hosts declares. There's been no posts thanksgiving surge questions the vaccines and attacks. The doctors trying to save lives. We'll talk to one of those doctors. In fact next and later it's being described as nothing less than the dereliction of duty. Rick wilson james carville talk about the president. The eleventh hour is just getting underway on this thursday night head. Space is one of the only meditation apps advancing the field of mindfulness and meditation through clinically validated research. 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The day before thanksgiving there were a total of six thousand nine hundred and seventy two commercial aircraft in the skies over america. That is more flights that were in the air on the same day two years before and as a result countless millions died with it didn't happen in fact the massive surge that factor predicted never came. That was one of several. dangerously misleading. Comments heard denied about vaccines about dr fauci and about our next guest back with us again. Tonight is dr van gupta critical care doctor specializing in these kinds of illnesses and affiliate assistant professor university of washington's institute for health metrics and evaluation as we like to point out educated at princeton cambridge. Harvard columbia med school. Also in the us air force reserve and just yesterday he not only received the covid nineteen vaccine himself but then so live before cameras on the today. Show on nbc. So doctor i am. Sorry you've been caught up in in this media mess but let us know. Is this indeed. The thanksgiving spike. We are living. Because every day we set a new record hospitalizations and death toll and is your greatest fear indeed that we are walking right into christmas spike altogether. Good evening brian and thank you. Let me say this three about three weeks ago. We had thanksgiving. We expect to see if there's gonna be a thanksgiving surge or as thanksgiving spiked. Expect to see that about three to four weeks after thanksgiving. What are we seeing right now. Brian received seventeen thousand deaths kobe. Nineteen just last week alone. Thirty six hundred deaths in just just yesterday. That was nets. Approximately about three weeks after thanksgiving's were very much and the thanksgiving service covid. Nineteen is the leading cause of death by a long shot in the united states over a week over week to last several weeks but this has been one of the most deadly and so this is extremely serious for everybody out there who still thinking about traveling for the christmas holiday. Please don't there. Is i heard countless times from from patients family. You name it. That will be okay. It's it's everybody else you know we can figure this out. It's everybody else's phone will don't think that i've seen countless times. People inadvertently be fine but expose loved. Ones were vulnerable to covid nineteen because they travel so. Please don't travel doctor. I've seen some healthcare professionals get downright emotional on television while receiving this injection given what you've all been through that's completely understandable I'm also curious as to any after effects. Most people report the same kind of upper arm. Aches and stiffness. We get after a flu shot. Is that correct brian. So i received the deck seen about thirty six hours ago thereabouts. I had arm. Soreness my left arm for about twenty four hours. I feel perfectly fine. I didn't have a headache or mild fever. Which were cited in some of these studies from Pfizer great and so. Let me be clear to all your viewers out there. This vaccine will save lives. It will keep you and your loved. Ones out of the icu. Know there's concern. There's -ociety about the vaccine. The process which was very science focused aware it was rigorous high-quality vaccine will. Save your life if you if you if you were unfortunately exposed to an infected code nineteen and had an adverse outcome it will prevent that will prevent you from seeing the icu. We can manage unexpected allergic reactions if they were to happen. I know there's exiled about some of these reports out of alaska. England manage those very easily. That is that something that we know how to treat readily what we do not know how to treat readily or as easily rather is kobe. Nineteen in the icu unexpected. It's long. it's difficult and it kills a lot of people. Brian so the end. That's what we're seeing right now. So please get vaccine when when you're when you're when you're up for the vaccine important that people get the follow up shot of the same brand that their initial shot was from after that though. What are the differences between pfizer and moderna brian. This is the big issue here and this is sort of the dust up. We've seen in media over the last twenty four hours. Madeiran published some data suggesting that. Not only does it prevent people from ending up in the ice. You which is the outcome. We all desperately want but it also may prevent transmission of the virus this notion that the virus can prevent the worst effects from covid nineteen but it can't prevent transmission that there still might be virus in her nose and if you sneeze you expose somebody else. Maderas maderas data suggested it stops both of those phenomenon. We don't know the same about pfizer yet. They haven't presented that data. We don't know any of those outcomes for any of the other vaccines candidates. So it's too early to say so brian to all all your viewers out there please. If you got the vaccine regimen twenty one days after the fis vaccine twenty eight days after moderna. It is too soon to let our guard down. He's still should ask distance. Avoid unnecessary travel for the time being. It's not going to be forever. Just for the next. Few months as the rest of america gets vaccinated until he reached that at seventy percent. Mark that we're all hoping for hopefully by late spring early summer and then we can really normalize life air. Nobody wants to live this the current situation for any longer than absolutely necessary but we want to save lives. Doctor thank you and thank you for fighting the good fight vin gupta. Our guest again tonight. Greatly appreciated coming up for us as the commander in chief all but ignores this pandemic not to mention what's being called the biggest electronic attack in us history attention at intensifies on what kind of party the republicans want to be starting thirty four days from now just to repeat we have lost over. Three hundred thousand people were entering the dark winter of the virus. Vaccines will save us but not yet then we learn we are under active attack from russia. Reporting today indicates they've been inside our computer networks with access to the federal government. At least since march the president spent silent on the hack perhaps figuring why star criticizing russian. Now just as he's been silent on the death toll the bullwork. Put it this way quote. We have never seen a dereliction of duty at this scale. From an american president with citizens dying by the thousands every single day and the federal government being rated by the intelligence services belonging. To his good friend he pouts and rages and tweets and tries to overturn a free and fair election. In order to break our democratic republic back with us again to friends of this broadcast. James carville veteran democratic strategist rose to national fame with the clinton presidential. Effort is co host of the politics war room. Podcast and rick wilson veteran florida man. Longtime republican strategist co founder of the super pac. That at this point needs no introduction. That would be the lincoln project gentlemen. Good evening to you both and rick. I'd like to start with you. It is scary enough when you hear that someone dies every twenty seven to thirty seconds in our country right now during this conversation. It's scary enough to know that we are under a continuing sustained electronic attack. Were all powerless against that as citizens are we on our own right now. The president is checked out completely He's either apathetic or or or or or frankly disengaged Doesn't understand what's happening around but we are on our own. This is a country that for the next thirty some days it needs to to to look to its own devices and and not look to this president for leadership and we are in a moment where where the results of of ten months of terrible leadership on the cova crisis ranging from ignoring it took pretending it didn't exist the saying it was going away to saying hydroxy corrigan was gonna cure everyone. We're facing the final countdown of all these. This can knitting series of stupid decisions by the trump administration and militias decisions by the trump administration. And we're right now at a point where where the death toll has reached a a much greater than more were to. We're gonna cross at some point. You know four hundred thousand before we. The vaccine starts to really have a marked effect in the society it is a tragedy and it is donald trump who was the author architect that tragedy brian. James what do you make of Tommy tub reveal on his third day in the. Us senate apparently planning to raise a ruckus challenged the results of the electoral college and make that his first mark in the us senate. Tommy goes embarrassment to the southeastern conference. Him notice three branches of government. In back to what. You're talking about bribe both yell. Students a history and a simple fact. Is the united states. Today the commander in chief of the united states armed forces who's abandoned post that that's the most serious thing that a person on servers can do is abandoned once post and he has abandoned his post and i just feel terrible for all all of the people at the training command When you see the number one person top with chain of command. Not derelict your duty. He walked away from his post. You you can't do that that that that's a serious thing that you can do. That's what happened. So tommy business a fool but we can't do about that james the to threats you mention Along the way making your point about abandoning his post. The computer hack as i was saying to wreck more theoretical for most of us. We don't understand the ins and outs of that. Business that industry we feel uniquely help. Plus we don't need to feel as helpless on the other threat. That is a sustained daily active urgent threat on our lives every day. And i don't think we pause often enough to realize how much work is being done on that front. Oh i mean. This isn't gonna on continuum he. He's got paid attention to this. He's played down since day. One and now these families are not going to be together for during the holidays it. It's it's just awful but it consistent with everything else that he's done and been totally silent on this out. Some people think we might be some state of war with russia. Now this is been attack on the on the nation's security and people that really understand the stuff that much but people. I know that. Do tell me this is beyond quite serious. This is this is a real issue income administration. You'll be dealing this long time to come. I know that much gentlemen. don't move. Both of our guests have agreed to stay with us. We're gonna fit in a break and coming up. They were banned of republicans with the sole mission of defeating donald trump. Now one year later. Some of them aren't even republicans anymore. We'll talk to rick wilson about what may be next for the lincoln project that never trump movement all of it. When we come back. It was one year ago. Today a group of anti-trump republicans wrote this op. Ed in the new york times announcing something new called the lincoln project after the president's lost the group is now focused on defeating trump ism and supporters of the president in congress but a new report in politico today says the trump movement has splintered as the president leaves office back with us. James carville and rick wilson and rick. This one's for you your partner Stuart stevens is quoted as saying the reality is. Is there a market for an anti trump republican party. Now i would say no. So that stuart. Stevens rick my question to you is. What do you do about the republicans. You know their names who are going to say starting january twenty first. Hey we're still republicans. We were never trumpers. We were never all in with that guy all evidence to the contrary. And what does your mission become rick. I say the next year you know. I'm gonna give trouble for this analogy. Nobody was in the ss after world. War two they were all wehrmacht so if the the irony here is these people cannot run themselves to the car. Wash that the last five years didn't happen that they didn't empower able this but it look. I'm no longer registered republican. I'm dependent now. I could not be part of a party. That was that spent five years pretending that this was normal and five years pretending that every ideological predicate every prior belief could be thrown out the window just because donald trump felt a certain way on a certain day and became enamored with both the fear he engendered in them and with trying to hold onto the power of his cult around him could give them in a republican primary so off like many people. We've walked away from that. The party is entangled itself so profoundly with him that he is going to ride it like bam she for the next four years while he pretends to run for president holds off all of them until the last minute the the long-term knock on damage of trump's version of this from co vid to corruption to international affairs to the economy. It's all going to have a long knock on their own this. This is like the bad weakened in tijuana where you wake up with a tattoo in the dead girl the trump. that's a terrible way to the to lead political party going forward because they they they have surrounded themselves with the aura. Image and brand of trump. And it's going to be hard to wash it off. I don't want any part of that. I think we need to viable part in this country. We need a center right already in this country but the republican party today is a personality cult dedicated donald trump. Full stop james. It must be really weird Between you and rick and all the people you know in politics all you guys did was try to beat the snot out of each other for decades. And now you have to admit that. The rick wilson's called never-trumpers played a huge role especially in public awareness. Creating for starters the best ads that were on the air in the defeat of donald trump politico has the story saying some of the never trumpers would like very much to move. Joe biden more toward the center. Despite the problems. Joe biden's going to have on the aoc left you. Think joe biden owes them that. But i don't think they want job not the united states and i i would like to think that if my party down some kind pass that their party wet that would act with the honor and nobility that brick and stewart in the hole novels bill all the active was i think they derail patriots and athlete that they really love the united states. And i think poland that president-elect body can try to pull this country together which the democrats would pulled together in in puts knighton washington complaining about every little thing. How seat in the papers. That he's the president we got. We go on to post with this guy and we got to get behind. You gotta get behind the concert. He you know this can be really really tough job here. So he doesn't need mia. Rick wilson everybody. Second guessing him for the moment. We it around this country to go. It is great to see you guys getting along and to our viewers please note what these two backdrops have in. Common both gentlemen have an american flag behind them. James carville rick wilson a pleasure as always thank you both for coming back on coming up for us a mission to be sure. We know where this virus got it start. Hey it's crusades this week on my podcast. Wise is happening. I'll be talking with data scientists and election consultant david shore about what exactly happened in that. Two thousand twenty election we talk about college and non college and that's just because that's something that's very easy to measure but the real divide is long kind of these deeper cultural or personality traits. And you know. That's kind of claim here. But i guess just zoom back to polling so this Big error and bullying. I think this highlights something. That's really scary about polling. Which is that. You can have a method that works. And then the coalition's can change or who answers the phone change and then suddenly you're stuff will break. That's this week on. Why is this happening. Search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe. A group of international experts has going to soon get to travel to china to investigate the origins of the corona virus. 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Morning Joe 11/4/19

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Morning Joe 11/4/19

"Is Anybody that says they're great salesman usually not a very good salesman company I mean we sell water and we have water trump trump's sakes what are the stakes do we have to we have trump steaks it's called the jewel of Palm Beach and we it's all goes to all of my clubs I've had it for many years and it's the magazine it's great here take one club might club champion trump airline well I sold the Orland I actually made a great deal by the way the winery you see the wine it's the largest winery in the east coast and trump university. We're GONNA start it up as soon as I win the lawsuit does that make sense you know the truth is anybody that says they're great salesman usually really do not a very good salesman stroke okay. self-awareness is definitely not as strongest suit among other things good morning and welcome to morning Joe it is Monday November fourth with us we have MSNBC Contributor Mike Barnicle national political correspondent for NBC News and Msnbc you see and author of the red and the Blue Steve Kornacki is with US White House reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Linear former chairman of the Republican National Committee Michael Steele and former chief of staff that D- triple seen former director of strategic communication for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign Adrian Elrod is with us she's an MSNBC contributor up late last night we'll talk about that Joe is off on dad duty this week for a couple of days but another big week in the impeachment inquiry and what's expected to be the final few days of closed door testimony before open hearings begin so what's the administration's strategy well that depends on the day the president is bouncing between trying to out the whistle blower and intimidate the date a witness Republicans appear poised to acknowledge a quid pro quo but insists that it's not that high of a crime in misdemeanor and and Kellyanne Conway is pulling Mick Mulvaney and really confusing the matter it all comes with more new polls showing nearly half of Americans Support Award impeaching and removing president trump from office meanwhile there is new twenty two thousand polling on the Democrat side we'll get into the state of that race in just a moment homeadvisor Elizabeth Warren Defends Her plan to fund Medicare for all could shape up to be demagogue versus an ideolog we'll we'll talk about that but first president trump was particularly active on twitter over the weekend to end the increased frequency is usually a sign that he's concerned about something nervous about something maybe trying to distract in this case it's clearly the impeachment inquiry trump tweeted and re tweeted seventy five times over the weekend up until just after midnight last night everything from tweets of the likes of Janine Pirro hero and Mark Levin praising a UFC fighter he also attacked the whistleblower the whistle blower got it so wrong that he must come forward the fake news media knows who he is but being an arm of the Democrat Party don't want to reveal him because there would be hell to pay reveal the whistle blower and end the impeachment hoax which Mimi Roca labeled witness intimidation and retaliation period trump also went after the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff if shifty Adam Schiff who is a corrupt politician who fraudulently made eight up what I said on the call is allowed to release transcripts of the never trumpers and others that were interviewed he will change the words that were said to suit the Dennis Purposes Republicans should give their own transcripts of the interviews to contrast with ships manipulated propaganda House Republicans and so must have nothing to do with shifty rendition of those interviews he is a proven liar leaker and freak this president who is really the one who should be impeached impeached too which Brian Class responded trump calls the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee a freak and invents yet another insane conspiracy recei theory and it will barely be a story that's where we are Democrat democracy erodes when previously unthinkable conduct become so routine eighteen that it's barely even noticed by voters that was the warning Mike Barnicle real quick that Madeleine Albright gave so early on in this presidency especially with her book fascism a warning know what's interesting is his comments about the relation the transcripts I mean Steve You would know this a lot of people know this this Dinara takes down the transcripts it's not that it Republican transcript it's not a democratic transcript it's a legitimate transcribe right Sinaga for an independent person you're sworn that this is an accurate transcript that you're taking and the idea that you know the Republicans have a different transcripts than the Democrats absurd yeah no there is not a partisan position right now the president even found time to attack the purple heart recipient testified last week labeling him a never-trumper never-trumper and threatening to reveal proof. Look at this colonel is a never-trumper we'll be enjoy that you real soon okay threatening them Tom Nichols sums up trump's unhinge tweak and best writing it's not political polarization polarization when people refuse to see tweets like this as the sign of a person who is unwell to support his behavior in a man who controls a nuclear arsenal is is evidence of moral rot among millions of Americans. Jonathan Lemaire you're with the president all weekend what was different and I want to get to Michael Steele about the Republicans allowing this kind of behavior but I the president this weekend your thoughts well we saw the president public just wants on his way to and from that UFC fighting massacre garden I was part of the press pool for that I didn't see Barnacle in as usual front row seat for him but it was it was certainly eventful night he was mixed he was greeted with a mix of cheers and boos unlike the world series of course where he was roundly roundly roundly booed and I will say one of the fighters got kicked unconscious right in front of us but setting that aside behind the scenes and then we saw briefly make some comments there on the White House lawn on the he's fixated on the impeachment inquiry we're seeing me going in a couple of different directions he he and Republican allies are really trying to smear the character of some of the key witnesses this is here vin men as you said who has who has a purple heart recipient suggesting that you know he has political and a political agenda here and others have said that perhaps not loyal to his country entry because of his he's an immigrant and has Ukrainian roots that in itself is sort of a sinister allegations he suggested that the whistle blower whose name is protected by federal regulations agents he legal protections the name has leaked in some far right conservative websites it seems at this moment the president is dancing with the idea of unveiling him himself which of course would send us into another sort of real political crisis and console firestorm if he were to do so suggesting that he of course the whistle blower can't be believed because he's a quote never-trumper jumper or someone who has a political agenda and then you're seeing the as you as you as you hinted at the opening the idea of Republicans trying to change their strategy a little bit with the concept of a quid pro quo either saying well all presidents do this this is not unusual or saying we yes he did it but it's not maybe it wasn't great but it's not an impeachable offense but the president himself who refuses to suggest at any wrong last night on twitter push back against that and said there was no quid pro quo I didn't do anything wrong so again. Republicans really seem to have a muddle title in terms of a strategy to defend themselves and the president during this inquiry Michael Steele it's hard to not find yourself recycling the same story as we tell the story of the Republicans but if you could speak face to face to these Republicans who are acting as trump's front men McCarthy's scalise and others especially in terms of the rot that chips away at our democracy these tweets intimidating a witness bullying people people trying to not follow the law refusing to comply with subpoenas if you could talk to them face to face and and confront them about the way this president is buying them off with attention access campaign money what would you ask them to do what could you say that could change this very unhealthy dynamic I don't know if there's anything that I could say or any of US could say at this point that hasn't already been said but I would ask this is it worth it is is it really worth it is the value of democracy the rule of law the very ideals and principles that you've espoused for your entire our political career that you that you ran on as a freshman congressman or two term senator as as Luder both in the party in the country is it worth it is this one man worth all that you are sacrificing right now and then if the second part of that would be where you going to draw the line if you didn't draw Charlottesville if you didn't draw at Baltimore if you didn't draw it at locking kids up in cages if you didn't draw at at at you know A Muslim ban where are you going to draw the line because that is is an American not as a Republican not as a partisan as an American I wanNA know from my leaders where you draw the line I know where I've drawn it and and I know we're countless of Americans have drawn where have you drawn it and if you haven't drawn it yet please let us know when you do I bet you it'll be too late though and a and and that's and that's and that's the problem is that these guys are so afraid of this one man that they're willing to sacrifice everything that they've stood the other thing all this talk over the weekend about a civil war around Donald Trump and I'll ask you really prepared to sit down with your constituents was and support us a quote civil war because Donald Trump is in political trouble because of his own problems what he's done you're going to stand up for that so draw draw the line and let me know where it is making Brighton read so the rest of us knows well and then we'll understand exactly who you are and what kind of party are you represent well three new polls out over the weekend show nearly half of Americans support impeaching and removing president trump from office according to a new NBC The News Wall Street Journal poll fifty three percent of Americans say they approve of the House impeachment inquiry into president trump forty four percent said they disapprove of the PROB- almost half forty nine percent said trump should be impeached and removed from office up six points from early October forty-six six opposed down three in the latest Fox News poll forty nine percent also agreed trump should be impeached and removed from office over half polled fifty two percent called the inquiry legitimate investigation into an important issue thirty nine percents that is a bogus attempt to undermine trump's the presidency and in the newest Washington Post ABC News poll forty nine percent of Americans said that president trump should be impeached and removed forty seven percent and opposed impeachment president trump dismissed this new polling remember used to love Owl's he dismissed it the polling on impeachment when pressed by reporters at the White White House yesterday afternoon several recent polls more Americans want you to be impeached and removed broadening eleven Americans who don't you're on the wrong evolved NBC Walkington phone. I have the real the real goals the CNN Paul's a fake the Fox balls have always been lousy I tell them they ought to get the new poll but the real polls you're looking at the polls that have been there you look at the Boe's came out this morning people don't want anything to do with a big it's a phony scam oh wow Adrian elrod just in terms of the Democrat strategy is this an opportunity or again more pitfalls so especially the shaping of the truth at the president's whim yeah well this is certainly an opportunity make it and that's what you're seeing with Democrats hat so far under the leadership of Speaker Pelosi who is we've talked about many times on this show has been so careful and methodical about this entire impeachment process she is sticking to do the facts she is running the entire process above board and we can think about this we see these polling results now that show at this point of the process when the impeachment process is is really not even started to take shape that a majority of Americans for the First Time Support Impeaching Donald Trump in removing him from office think about how those numbers are going to shift deft when we start seeing public testimony when we start seeing credible witness after credible witness on national television in front of millions of Americans talking to Congress grice and getting the facts out there for the entire public to see what we're also seeing of course from this polling is that more independence are starting to say you know what we don't trust this president we don't WanNa see him in office and those are the numbers that are going to whether or not he gets elected or gets defeated the ballot box in November twenty twenty twenty so I stayed I don't think there's a lot of you know background and examples or parallels to polls that are asking king whether or not the president should be removed from office so it's hard to look into history but then the numbers are uptaking in terms of removal which I think is kind of stunning isn't it they've definitely moved the question is are they going to stop here or are they going to continue to because I think one way of looking at these numbers on an array of different questions is they may all be converging at the same place look at it this way trump's approval rating in our new NBC pull over the weekend forty-five percent the percent who say they don't want him impeached and removed from office forty forty six percent the percent that he got the two thousand sixteen election forty six percent so the question is is opinion on impeachment kind of converging on the same basic faultline that's defined donald trump in all trump related issues for the last three or four years if it stays there and it stays where it is right now I don't think you have a scenario where Republicans start to abandon him because that means the Republican base is still largely behind him if it goes another five or ten years then I think we're in a very new territory and impeachment during an election year Jonathan Lemaire are there or any cracks on the Republican side perhaps in the Senate where they're saying Oh boy this life I had to actually be asked on the record whether or not to vote on this would we see some movement will republicans say publicly and privately about this president has always been different most Republicans right now are still sort of hiding behind or I shouldn't say hiding perhaps genuinely saying that there could be jurors in a Senate trial and they don't want to prejudice themselves now by saying okay so certainly some Republican senators have already come out and made it very clear that they think this is indeed a witch hunt to borrow the president's phrase that they think the whole matter is a sham and that they believe they of course I would not cast a vote to remove the president others are being a little more cagey and certainly the Mitt Romney's this sort of very few republican willing to be very outspoken against the president you they're not committing to removing but certainly those in the White House who are their valley their their Italian voters here they're they're aware that this is a very likely scenario that we will indeed see impeachment trial in the Senate at some point you know they're they're watching their head doing some headcount and then there's really someone like Romney is someone they are nervous about this point to to steal backup backup what Steve was saying this president very very popular among among Republicans and that's what the president and his advisors are counting on is that they feel like that any any Republican lawmaker maker whether in the House or in the Senate who breaks with the president who who who goes for impeachment who wants Donald Trump removed from office is going to feel the wrath of the base and we have seen seen donald trump subtly and not so subtly suggest that he would back primary challenges to anyone who did that he is still a huge draw he's still a force for fundraising he's got three rallies this week backing Republican candidates including one tonight in Kentucky for the governor's race there that I'll be attending they feel like at least for now they feel good about keeping the Republicans in line but if the polls keep tricking one way or the other that could change Mike Steve Pro impeachment numbers that we've seen poll after poll all after poll anecdotally if you speak to people about impeachment I often wonder is there a category in that number where the response instead of saying yes ask is sort of I guess so I mean people are so overloaded with information about impeachment now and the president only adds to it each day with his behavior via the I guess so numbers pretty it's the other question there too is and this is true right now when you ask about the difference between do you support the impeachment inquiry and you saw are there a couple points higher silently now every poll I've seen there's a pretty clear majority support for the inquiry and we've seen for the last two years when you were questioning asking the question impeachment in relation to the Muller investigation the impeachment support number was much lower but even back then if you said well don't impeach but keep investigating there's always been a lot more support for the idea of investigating of having hearings of looking into trump so that that category of you know let's not look away but let's not necessarily commit to going all the way to remove all I think there's something there yeah all right still ahead of the top of the show we mentioned the new polling on the Democrats race for president up next we're going to dig into those the numbers with Steve Kornacki you're watching morning gel we'll be right back banks I'M GONNA tax the banks don't you think I was is going to do hold up a gas station Komo they're going to pay for her and not one penny from the middle class and all we gotta do is convince JP Morgan to operate like a non-profit okay next question hi sorry I have a follow up because I'm annoying you said your plan would cost twenty point five trillion but other communists have said it could cost thirty four trillion let me stop you right there and we're talking trillions you know when the numbers are this big they're they're just just pretend there ain't no scrooge mcduck volt era you ready to get red peeled money doesn't exist it's just a promise from a computer you might as well say it costs for Non Jillian over twelve with Tan same or next and we got senator going to need to see the math on that you want to see them okay I'll show you look at this here yeah do you understand this I do I could explain it to you but you die all right Saturday night live I love Joe Biden Elizabeth Warren continued to fight it out for the lead of the twenty twenty democratic field according to three new polls so steve wants look at those Biden at twenty seven percent and worn born at twenty three percent are statistically tied the latest NBC News Wall Street Journal poll sitting within five point margin of error Senator Bernie Sanders is up five points points since September now sits at nineteen percent Biden and warriner also statistically tied in the newest Washington Post ABC News poll the former Vice Vice President Has Twenty Eight Percent Warren has twenty three percent up five points since September both sit within that polls almost six point margin of error sanders follows in third place with seventeen percent in the Lettuce Fox News Poll Biden is at thirty one percent leading by ten points Warren at twenty wanting one percent sanders at nineteen another statistical tie in hypothetical matchups against president trump according to the newest NBC News News Wall Street Journal poll both Biden and Warren would lead the president with fifty percent of the vote trump would fare one point better against Warren with forty two percent of support versus forty one percent against Biden and in the Fox News head to head Biden would have a twelve point advantage over trump fifty one one to thirty nine percent sanders lead by eight points forty nine to forty one and Warren by five forty six to forty one steve break it down for us I think there's there's there's two pictures here we're talking about the general election the head to head matchups there there's two pictures to keep in mind the first we just went through there the national numbers and that's consistent what you just showed is consistent with what we've been seeing for a few months now every time I see Biden matched up against trump and a general election national poll it's a high single digit low double digit lead for him even Warren has been leading him now pretty consistently nationally there's a question of margin there so that's one part of the picture you see a president who has a fifty three percent disapproval rating who has forty nine percent of the country saying they wanted impeached and removed from office he's going to be trailing Mike Lee These national head to head polls there's the other part of the picture though is what just came out this morning near time they did a survey of six is key battleground states there Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin Florida Arizona North Carolina trump was six for six in these states in two thousand sixteen if Democrats want to win in twenty twenty they probably got to win three of these states three of these six in those head to head polls they got Biden up on trump in four states they got sanders up in three and they they got Warren up in one into an interesting difference there in all of them Adrian Elrod polls look to you what stands out and and especially in terms of Biden Warren do you expect any perhaps changes ahead especially given the latest news of Elizabeth Warren revealing her plan to who pay for Medicare for all yeah I mean a couple of things making number one I look at those polls and I think Donald Trump is in real trouble in terms of getting reelected did as Steve pointed out we look at all the national polls we look at heads head to head with some of the top Democratic contenders versus trump and they show one thing in which is usually that Donald Trump is losing to Elizabeth Warren Joe Biden Bernie Sanders etc but then you dig down into some of those battleground polls which is really where this race is going to be one and fought hot and trump is underwater especially when it comes to Joe Biden Joe Biden beating him and four of those six major polls which is where you got to win in those states battleground states in order to get to win the presidency you've got to do well in those states and that is exactly Makawai Joe Biden has done so well among the Democratic primary electorate at this point point because they see him even though he's had a few stumbles along the way they see him as the most electable against Donald trump and that really hasn't shifted very much since the beginning of this race I also think when Elizabeth Warren came out with her price tag for her Medicare for all pan on plan on Friday that really that was a moment for Joe Biden indices on the fact that he wants to build in repair obamacare but not replace it with something expansive and expensive like Medicare for all and then the Biden campaign to their credit had it seized on that moment and capitalize on it and I think you're gonna see that really play out in this next debate look the racist tightening we expected this to happen I was going to be a battle addle all the first four early stage are going to be a battle the right now Joe Biden is position to do well in South Carolina and I think that's going to carry them into Super Tuesday which is very for the first time ever ever as very very delegate heavy state in this primary Mike Steve Give us those states again and give us Elizabeth Warren's numbers yeah so the six states here this is this is the registered voters New York Times Upshot Sienna poll here Pennsylvania among registered voters they got an even race trump versus Warren Michigan. They've got trump ahead of worn by six points Wisconsin they've got an even race Florida they've got trump ahead by four points arizona they have worn warhead by two points in North Carolina they have trump ahead by three points so they got trump leading in three they got ties into and they got worn by two in Arizona Michael Steele The Wall Street Journal just skewers Elizabeth Warren's plan to pay for Medicare for all and I would I think this would be catnip for like the Biden campaign and for Republicans I'll just read one part of its start with the overall fiscal math which by itself is staggering she concedes that her plan will cost only slightly less than the fifty two trillion that the US is expected to spend on healthcare in the next ten years she did ducks from that what the feds now spend on Medicare and Medicaid plus six trillion that the state's contribute to Medicaid the State Federal Children's Health Program in government worker the benefits that leaves thirty trillion dollars to finance but Senator Warren Waves her wand and says the bill will really be twenty point five trillion it goes on the question I have for you is that I think people are clued into this type of thing just like the polls show that the Ukraine scandal handle is actually something that computes is not good that the cost of this does seem unrealistic extremes confusing people have been through a lot with healthcare they don't like another huge change that could be risky to them actually receiving healthcare I think this will put make because throughout the battle of of obamacare there was always uneasiness about what it meant and what it would do to individuals that families the businesses is etc we've now reached a point where the public and the system have sort of resolved those tensions in many respects which is why Republicans found founded hard to repeal and replace at the beginning of the trump administration because no matter how you cut it it's like a doctor injects that die in your vein and and says oops I injected the wrong die I gotta get it out well how do you get that out of your vein how do you get out of the system you can't and I think the public is now settled very comfortably Even in at the edge with the OBAMACARE system Elizabeth Warren now comes along and says we're going up in the entire thing and layer on top of that another ten or twenty trillion dollars I don't think that's going to be an easy sell in any stretch of the imagination particularly weekly given how hard it was to sell obamacare which was a plan that Republicans originally proposed so it just it's going to be a very difficult slope nope and she's still at the end of the day I don't think fully answers the question will the middle class have to pay the ten trillion dollar gap I think they will the numbers on paperwork April work but you know what reality is numbers are comprehend and Adrian elrod I think that Joe Biden has to strong focuses now one would be his ability to take on trump trump that he has the experience to restore calm and order and move the nation forward would think the second would be Elizabeth Warren's plan to pay for Medicare for all what are you you hearing yeah that's exactly what I'm hearing I mean this is the healthcare debate is the ultimate distinction in this Democratic primary we've seen that play out in the debate so far I think we're GonNa you see it going forward in this next debate and now Elizabeth Warren has actually put a price tag on her plan Democrats like Joe Biden will have a a a real contrast to make here we saw in this last debate make that Mayor Pete in Senator Klobuchar really sort of held the mantle of defending obamacare. I think you're GONNA see Joe Biden make much stronger point in this next debate because again the fact is he was obviously a big architect a big component of getting obamacare pass and he has every right right to try to defend those Obama era policies especially on healthcare because again as Michael Steele pointed out this was a very difficult bill to pass the American people remember are how hard it was how it barely got through Congress they weren't exactly thrilled with it at the time but now I think a lot of Americans can't imagine of ending this because it so difficult to get passed in the first place and I think you're GonNa see Joe Biden really drive home that distinction going forward Turnley Jonathan Lanier Steve's was numbers that he just read off to US Michigan down by six to Donald Trump it's a big union state the united auto workers have a very good healthcare plan. You can sort of understand the minus six Elizabeth Warren there is also another aspect to her plan which is clearly well thought out a lot of people are going to disagree with it a lot of people are going to agree with it one element of it that struck me this weekend and talking to a couple of people up near where you grew up Jonathan incidentally is the idea that anybody who has ever dealt with the registry of motor vehicles in their state any government apparatus the idea of handing over your health appear to the federal government is scaring a lot of people so those twin things they think I don't know well I think the good folks of Law Massachusetts or nearby why would certainly give you an honest answer Mike Barnicle they won't be shy sharing their opinions if that's where you were the last couple of days but yeah I think that's exactly right I think that the Elizabeth there's huge questions that surround all these candidates here look these national polls obviously look really good for Democrats but it's it's not a poll about it's not a race about national polls the trump campaign fully anticipate that they'll lose the buy more in two thousand twenty than they did in two thousand sixteen with Warren you have questions about the cost and feasibility of this healthcare plan do Americans really want the federal government telling them what they have to do in terms of insurance do for Joe Biden it's been very shall we say uneven performance on the campaign trail right now and for trump himself it's been this of of course we now we have to see how do voters this impeachment inquiry so Steve Let me ask you a question the polls that you're seeing here in those battleground states in particular are you seeing sort of trend lines lines are we seeing any impact yet from the impeachment inquiry on the president's approval in the battleground states that are going to really determine this election the I mean yeah it's not measured from what I can tell this New York Times CNN but if it were a drag on trump you're not seeing it in these polls a couple of interesting findings here I could just share as well well two very interesting polar doing some innovative stuff there how about this one it'd take the folks who voted for trump in these battleground states they went for trump in two thousand sixteen and then they switched to democratic credit congressional candidates in two thousand eighteen two thirds of them in this poll say they're going to go back to trump in two thousand twenty and also the lead that trump has in the states dates among non college white voters were always talking about those voters in those states being the key for him the lead he has with those voters non college white voters in these battleground states identical to the lead he had in two thousand sixteen so speaking of things just not budging at all forty past the hour live look at the White House welcome back to morning Joe joining us now national political reporter for NBC News Josh Letterman he's just back from Kiev where he interviewed several of the prominent people involved in the Ukraine controversy and is out this morning with new reporting on how all the pro trump search for dirt on Ukraine the Biden's and the two thousand sixteen election goes on even amid this impeachment circus you'd think they'd pull back a little bit Josh McCann you'd think that they might keep their heads down with Rudy Giuliani reportedly under federal investigation his associates already arrested on campaign mean finance charges but while we were on the ground in Ukraine we've found that that was not the case there's actually this group of lawmakers in the parliament they're mostly folks who have been associated in the past with Paul Manafort who are pushing for a new temporary investigative commission which is kind of like their equivalent of a select committee in Congress Congress for us the kind that was used for Watergate so they want to investigate not only the Biden's Hunter Biden Barista but also twenty sixteen and what might have happened with Democrats mccracken back in that election with Ukraine meanwhile back here in the US we have also learned that Rudy Giuliani is still meeting as recently as last week with a former Ukrainian diplomat named Andre Taylor Janko black alleged that he actually witnessed collaboration in two thousand sixteen between the Ukrainian gene embassy in Washington where he was working and with the Democratic National Committee so we talked to folks in Ukraine this is still a pretty fringe theory there a lot of folks folks saying that they thought that this was basically a PR stunt intended to try to help president trump and rudy johnny have fresh cards to play in the the political conversation here in the United States but still it just goes to show you that with all of this swirling around in Washington a lot of these efforts to do basically what trump and Giuliani had wanted wanted in the first place are continuing full speed ahead meek oh my gosh out in the open of everyone to see NBC's Josh Letterman thank you very much for your reporting this morning wing let's bring in history professor at Rutgers University David Greenberg I love this his new piece in the Washington Post is entitled when should Republicans jumped ship it's a good question okay which looks into the effects of those that turn against trump and those who will stick by him through the impeachment process helped me understand because I I really don't I don't see a line anymore that the Republicans feel the president could cross that would surprise them and they still stay with him it seems to me that they might need some guidance from history yeah thank you I mean I'm not predicting anyone's going to jump ship anytime soon I think this is a very different from the one that Richard Nixon face and that's a lot of what the pieces about you look at who did leave Nixon early on and those people are often well regarded by history people like bill co in who went on to serve in the Senate and as defense secretary people like low weicker who went on to be an independent governor of Connecticut history has kind of smiled upon those who try to bake they may have gotten sucked into something but if ultimately try and do the right thing for the country history is kind to them for the most part me look we can't predict from today what history will we'll say there's always surprises in the way we judge past presidents in the way we judge past events but if we use the Nixon impeachment as a lens there's something it'd be said for those profiles in courage does it get to the ultimate question of what is history today is yesterday I mean that you know last week I mean we measure history in far unfortunately sadly in different ways yeah look I'm I take care in this piece to say it's too early to really offer the judgement of history obviously history says in five years maybe different from what history says in twenty five years here's but I think enough time has passed from the Nixon impeachment they're Nixon's resignation Watergate that we can serve brought some tentative active lessons some tentative judgements about who did the right thing and who did the wrong thing in thinking about this as you wrote it did it strike you that an inordinately the large number of Republicans specifically in the Senate and many of them all of them in the house they live with such fear of this one person Donald trump well it's hard to know how many are living in fear and I think for some of them that's definitely it that you know privately in their hearts they know what the right thing to do is is and I think for others they've really gone into a universe where they've convinced themselves that trump hasn't done anything wrong if he's just standing ending up to whatever the Washington establishment they really have adopted a whole world view that prevents them from seeing things With the same clarity that

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