33 Burst results for "Jonathan Kaye"
The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"However we have a president who is dealing with a congress unlike any of his predecessors had to deal with back then lbj had a compliant caucus had a compliant congress. They understood the norms and the rules and everything. We are in a different time in american politics. Now where all of the folks who are involved in this on both sides of the aisle feel like they can defy the president that they don't have to listen to the president that they are beholden to their constituents but back to your original point the fact that the president spent thirty six years in the in the senate eight years as vice president. He knows how that plays should work. How that plays should work when things are working. Well what people need because he has had to run for statewide office because he has had to ask the people of for their trust time and time again he knows what each one of those legislators needs in order to run for reelection now the key thing is for him to stay engaged to keep them. You know to be honest to be honest broker. I think as you are as i was saying before to also remind them of why they came to washington. It's not about going on cable. Tv or having twitter spats it's about doing something for their constituents who are hurting in the middle of a pandemic ej the president the way he sequence these meetings today was was so fascinating and everyone involved knew the the liberals new. The moderates are already here. They knew exactly how this of flow of information was working throughout the day. One of the things that struck me as very very little has leaked out from what went on in those rooms and tries i might wasn't able to the congresswoman to share much about what really happened in that room and so there's a discipline leaving the room that so far impresses me very few very little leaking about who said what in those rooms it which is bad for journalism and probably really good for passing the bill The i think that's right. And i think that what you have here is a bit of an imbalance because the progressive are insisting that they get the big bill. I because the moderates don't want as much as the progressives do and that inherently strengthens the moderate position so that the progressives want to pass the bill before they passed the As you've said it's pretty big but the smaller bill on physical infrastructure has they wanna keep their leverage with the other side but having them together this way is really a sign that biden's trying to send a signal of democrats have to hang together or they really will hang separately. Imagine the catastrophe. The democrats will face if at the end of all this. They don't pass anything the old cliche of democrats in disarray. It's way over us but it really would be legitimate in that case and i think the fact that they all came together a suggested that all sides of this amount are how a heated. The rhetoric has been in the last few days. And i think it's escalated They understand that. And i think binds meetings will actually have the effect of toning down potentially disrupt destructive rhetoric. And that's also really important to getting stuff done j. dion jonathan kaye part. Thank you both for joining us about thanks. Lords coming up. Republicans in congress have decided now is the moment for america to stop paying. Its debts sender..
Serial Psych
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Serial Psych
"Well wilmer i think i don't remember. His name broke into hyun wins car when when arrived at his car. Aguilar out of the car grabbed win. Threatened him with a hammer and took wins wallet and keys regular then went about three blocks to a condominium complex and broke into the home of raw deal and cari dat resin where he engaged in a lengthy robbery false imprisonment and kidnapping. I'm glad you're clear that nude on. He is currently serving a life sentence. Ooh that sounds like a plus to me. Thank you now onto jerry. All right very you shot. But what you in twenty seventeen jerry. Green pled guilty to one count of child pornography computer jerry which the police did find child pornography on his computer so when he says he plead guilty to crime he didn't commit. I saw a lot of that shit on jury. Duty is expected release date is july thirtieth twenty twenty to talk to everyone jerry. But you know. If i'm gonna call you friend i'll pray for you but i'll pray for you. They will bro all right. You ready for your romantic interest. Jonathan kaye in september of two thousand and seven jonathan and his brother. Jose drove up to six teenagers. Who were leaving a party before exiting the car. Jonathon yelled compton. Vaudeville tortilla flats and. This is our neighborhood. The that's got it is again guy. Jonathan then exited the car and punched one of the teenagers causing a gruesome fight. In which jonathan and jose repeatedly stabbed the teenage jose. The brother since then got back into his car on any of these cats. They're all. I wanted to get your hopes up. I couldn't win on it. She jose then got back into just keeping it on the computer. It's disgusting and it's go ahead. Jose then got back into his car and attempted to run over the teenagers. One teenager manuel. Pascal died of his injuries while the other teenagers survived but of course with horrible injuries. That asshole gang member murder Good job daniel. Jonathan was sentenced to life in prison. Well i hope y'all are proud of me better on the first round was actually about to say. Hey i'm doing great. I'm doing better than the nine one one calls but this last little contest here i did too but i don't how could you. Yeah jerry was the best one out of all of them because it's just because he kept the digital yep and there was only one count shit just one well. We hope you enjoyed prison. Pen pals everybody. I sure enjoyed it. Jordan did a lot of work on this episode. So i went through so many profiles trying to get the most innocent looking ones. Who did the h- most horrible crimes to the most guilty looking ones. Who did the most innocent crimes. It's you can't always time you know was judged by the appearance. Keep an open mind so we hope you enjoyed the show. Bonus show thank you to our patriot subscribers. Thanks mom thanks mom and dad we appreciate you have a blessed day..
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"Take care of itself mayor midst landru of the great city of new orleans. Thank you very very much for being on the podcast jonah. The thanks so much. God bless time. I'll come down all right. I would love to see you later. Thanks for listening to cape up tune. In every tuesday you can find us on apple podcasts and stitcher and how about doing me a huge favor subscribe rate and review us. I'm jonathan kaye. Part of the washington post you can find me on twitter at cape heart jay. Creating great journalism is expensive. which is why we are so grateful for our subscribers. Who support are important. Work if you haven't already please consider subscribing to the washington post you can get a whole year of unlimited access for just one dollar a week get this offer at washington post dot com slash subscribe..
The Gerry Callahan Podcast
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on The Gerry Callahan Podcast
"They got killed in the case of New york state but there has to be room for debate which biden and with his supporters. you know they. there's no room for. They want to shut the. They don't want him to be allowed to travel. Should go on airplanes. I mean that crazy. What's her name when the doctor from. Cnn he she smiles and she says some of the most evil stuff she smiles used to run planned parenthood. So you know she's got a dark heart and she says just crazy stuff like this go far enough. We should stop interstate travel by people who are unvaccinated so again like this reporter. Spn or turtle boy or someone who's a pregnant woman. A pregnant nelson williams is correct by the way that's her name. And they can't cross state lines according to the the the doctor. The official doctor of cnn. This crazy woman win. And i'm thinking wait a second. That's a constitutional right. You can go to the next date. You can't stop me because of medical choices. The steps madness. The number of people who agree who understand that. It's total madness that concerns me. How many people think. Oh yeah what's your some night or watch you know this. Jonathan kaye part one of these crazy lunatics. They don't mind at all. Sound totally totalitarian. It's like The coverage of the twentieth anniversary of nine eleven. I was i was running. I was getting tired. Retweeting the lunatics who compared it to january sixth. I mean literally they're comparing and bush. You know implied this which is why so. Many people are disgusted with a lot of people on twitter. A lot of people in the media said. Yeah it's kind of like january. Sixth again we'll go over the numbers quickly on nine. Eleven two thousand three two thousand nine hundred. Seventy seventy innocent people killed at The towers and the pentagon and shanksville January six one person killed eight unarmed protester. Ashley babbitt by a cop. I don't think he could bear something that happened with. Three thousand people died to something where nobody was killed. That's our symbols. That's why impulse. I see symbols symbols. Gotcha symbols what about when All those crazy cavanaugh. Protesters barged into the senate during hearing. Was that like nine. Eleven yet at. We don't talk about no okay okay. We'll keep them but it was crazy. Bush embarrassed himself. Not as bad as biden embarrassed himself but it is interesting. That what joe biden wanted was a photo op was a ceremonial kind of photo of a good optic for nine eleven. What did he get. he got this disasters. Pull out of afghanistan. Thirteen service people killed one hundred and forty something civilians and our last act and the new york times had to actually report this our last act. Nf ghanistan they lit up a family of ten including a guy a.
Armstrong & Getty On Demand
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Armstrong & Getty On Demand
"Larry elder scheduled tour of homeless encampments in venice ended shortly after it began wednesday morning with the leading republican in the gubernatorial recall race hastily exiting in an esa. Suv after being angrily confronted by group of homeless and advocates elder. Who had arrived in his new recall express bus shortly after casting. His ballot at a voting centre spent roughly twelve minutes in the neighborhood with his departure hastened by what appeared to be an egg thrown in the candidates direction and physical assault on his staff. It kind of glanced his head and elder campaign. Staffer said of the object. No harm no foul says the wall street journal then the la times adds a woman gorilla mask riding a bicycle through the small white object past elders head as seen in the video the woman appeared to be white elders black and ape characterizations have been used as a racist trope for centuries the times account goes on to note people screaming profanities elder but concludes with an account of his subsequent visit to the deli in northridge. The candidates spent about five minutes in the restaurant before climbing. Back aboard is campaign bus. The candidate and his entourage departed northridge with a stack of paper plates in some to go sandwiches. Well what else wasn't in a report on a day. When nothing much happens says the wall street journal so they they just gloss over the attacking his staff gorilla mask all that sort of stuff and immediately go right into. He got some sandwiches if the la times quickly became bored with the story most media folk entirely ignored it and not because news consumers wouldn't find it interesting. Video of larry elder being egged by women and gorilla mask was viewed three and a half million times. The day the video came out. The appalling treatment of mr elder was not a capital crime. But mr smith at national review correctly notes the double standard. If elder were a democrat the attack would not only be front page news. It would be just about the only news. You're hearing about today on cnn and msnbc charles. Blow and perry bacon. And janine would each be writing the first in a series of angry columns about it so gail collins jonathan kaye part jennifer rubin michelle goldberg. Paul krugman marine dow dana millbank decline would be treated to multiple news analysis about the history of the usage of guerrilla troops against blacks joyon redid. Msnbc and rachel maddow on don lemon would be doing our long broadcasts on the attack convening panels discussing just how the attack pulls the scab off racism in america improves. We have so much work left to do in dealing with the problem. Vox would commission a series about california's grim history of racism. Dating back to the chinese exclusion act and asian american and latino writers would hasten to explain that california's history of hostility to all sorts of people. A color is this traditional as its tournament of roses parade three thousand word essays about the brutal unknown history of lynchings golden state would be published in the atlantic and or the new yorker..
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"I'm jonathan kaye. Part and this is cape up and fbi report released late last month. Showed that tiny twenty witness. The highest number of hate crimes in twelve years and that's a six percent increase over twenty nineteen attorney. General merrick garland specifically noted the rise in hate crimes against the asian american pacific islander community. These statistics inspired me to replay my interview with harrison. Andy came of new jersey photo of him helping to clean the capital. After the january six insurrection went viral. That our conversation about anti-asian hate after the atlanta shootings left an indelible impression especially when he talked about the impact on his five year old son and on himself. Listen to this powerful interview again. Right now congressman kim. Thank you very much.
Here & Now
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Here & Now
"Sunday show with jonathan kaye. Part screw you up up okay. Talker to them. I will drop them like a bag of dirt. That fighting spirit is all over l. Wrokers latest book along with a few life lessons. He's learned over four decades of telling us the weather. It's called you look so much better. In person. true stories of absurdity and success. I spoke with al roker about the book on skype when it was published in two thousand. Twenty as you right. You weren't always confident. Tv personality that we know now. In fact you were a nerdy highschool av club kind of guy and you write that while in college. You got your first job as a weekend weather forecaster in syracuse new york. And tell us the story from there by department chairman. Dr luo donald the late dr laura. Donald decided it worked at the station w. h. Anyway he put me up for the job and You know i went down. I did the audition and they said okay. We'll let you know. And i just kept calling the news director and back in the day. You gotta remember this. One thousand nine seventy four. There were actually switchboard. Operators and the switchboard operators name was rosy. And you got to the point where she knew my name. I kept calling to ask the news director. Well oh dear. He's not in right now but tell him he called and finally there's one time she put me through and he said look i i gotta get you off my ass. You've got the job. And i said okay. I didn't ask if one i started. What do i do yes. Yes yes and but that was my start in television. That is the theme of this. Entire book is really taking a step and saying yes to so much I wanna to talk with you. Though about the emotion and the book. I mean you cried at work out. I mean they tell us that is like the number one. Cardinal rule is not to cry at work. tv nbc so cutthroat. I mean what lessons do you want people to take away from this story. This you bring heart to your work. I think it's about passion and being able to tell people it's okay to be passionate. It's okay to show emotion. I had a very good role model in my dad and that he was a very emotional demonstrative person and so i learned from him that you know as a man you. It's okay to cry. So cain show emotion. Yeah one of the great love. Stories of our time on television is really you and legendary weather caster and personality willard. Scott learned about the power of mentor ship. Just by watching youtube interact with each other on the today show. It's a small but really powerful part of your book. Well he's just a terrific human being. he's he literally is like my second dad. In fact he's the same age now that my dad would have been at. He was still alive. Most people in business are not generous enough to reach out to to akali little on a total stranger as he did that. Out of the blue called me invited me to dinner. And from that day on we've had this we didn't work together. We worked at different stations in washington. Dc and then. He got plucked from dc to go to the today show and i went to. Cleveland worked at the nbc station and we kept in touch and then i moved to new york To work at w. nbc and he was the one in Said look you know. It's time for me to step back a little bit. You ought to put out there Ed so the generosity and the just the sharing is something. That's always stayed with it. Yeah i want to ask you about something else. Oh we're in a moment. Where so many media. People are sharing their stories of experiencing racism in the workplace or or racist remarks from co workers. You tell the story in this book an anchor. You worked with early in your career. Who said something racist to you on air on air not even in the newsroom Can you tell that story and what you want readers to learn from that story at the time i was working in cleveland and our station was in downtown in downtown. Wasn't great spot at that point and there was a homeless gentleman. Who's african happen to be african. american and one night are anchorman. Doug was going to his car. And this guy ran up vitamin bopped. Him on the back of the head and ran off and there was no harm. No foul It's basically something that all of us wanted to do to doug at one time or another. Well it's now six o'clock in world news and his wife slash kgo anchor. Mona starts to introduce me and doug interruptions mona before you introduce ow ow i if you heard but last night after the eleven o'clock news one of your people attacked me. And that's one of those time standstills moments. You're not quite sure what to say. And i just looked at him. And i said doug. Why would a weatherman attack you and then just turned to. My single cameron went off into the forecast at what i did know. Of course the switchboard was flooded. People are outraged and he was suspended demoted to a reporter and then eventually within six or seven months left the station. I could have gotten really angry on air. And i felt that it was better and the point was made by kind of pointing out the ridiculousness of the statement not everything requires a sledgehammer sometimes a chisel at a small hammer could create more impact than brute force and a quick wit because al. I don't even know if i would have come up with that. Line that quickly. Well look every now. And then like i say a broken clocks right twice a day. You mentioned your father quite a few times He was a bus driver in queens new york and he gave you advice so many parents of color give their kids that you have to work twice as hard and be twice as good as the kid next to you. Our kids are experiencing such a different life than we did. A lesson that you impart on your your kids today. I still do even before. George floyd as we've become more aware of different standards of policing and especially because i have a a black sun with all the kids i look. You can't act the way your white friends do they. Like son takes the subway. And you know kids sometimes just for final. Jump the turnstile. Well you know you. It's okay if you're white friends do it. But if it's a group of you you'll be the one that's picked out. And of course he should be in any case but especially dealing with the police. It's yes sir no sir. You don't try to think funnier show off and it wasn't until all of this that i i was able to crystalize what i feel every day. And that is i involuntarily breath aside relief when my son comes home every day. And he's a kid who's got some special needs and he. He's a big kid. He's got a deep voice he sometimes. He's not aware of the space that he takes. Could bump somebody. i just worry. yeah. I wanna talk with you about way. Most of us know your journey and this book is called. You look so much better in person which. I chuckled because as a former television reporter. I've heard this so many times. I also heard i wanna know you've heard this. I've also heard you're not as big as i thought you were. When people seem the opposite. I thought you were a lot taller and i gave the book that title because it literally. I hear it every day. I would go out to the plaza shake hands. Somebody will say every day someone will say. Oh my gosh you look so much better in person and and you know they don't need it as an insult and so your thank you but do about really a compliment. I make my living on tv. Yeah is it true that despite having to get up at three forty five every morning for decades. You've only overslept. Once yes technically. I did oversleep at the time. I was doing a two hour morning show before the today show on the weather channel. Wake up without so. The show was on at five. I woke up at five twenty. G's so i called in..
Here & Now
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Here & Now
"Longtime today. Show weatherman in co anchor. Al roker recently turned sixty seven but he shows no sign of slowing down. He was in new orleans covering hurricane ida this week and haters on twitter. Who said he was too old to be doing that kind of thing he had this to say on. Msnbc's the sunday show with jonathan kaye. Part screw you up up okay. Talker to them. I will drop them like a bag of dirt. That fighting spirit is all over l. Wrokers latest book along with a few life lessons. He's learned over four decades of telling us the weather. It's called you look so much better. In person. true stories of absurdity and success. I spoke with al roker about the book on skype when it was published in two thousand. Twenty as you right. You weren't always confident. Tv personality that we know now. In fact you were a nerdy highschool av club kind of guy and you write that while in college. You got your first job as a weekend weather forecaster in syracuse new york. And tell us the story from there by department chairman. Dr luo donald the late dr laura. Donald decided it worked at the station w. h. Anyway he put me up for the job and You know i went down. I did the audition and they said okay. We'll let you know. And i just kept calling the news director and back in the day. You gotta remember this. One thousand nine seventy four. There were actually switchboard. Operators and the switchboard operators name was rosy. And you got to the point where she knew my name. I kept calling to ask the news director. Well oh dear. He's not in right now but tell him he called and finally there's one time she put me through and he said look i i gotta get you off my ass. You've got the job. And i said okay. I didn't ask if one i started. What do i do yes. Yes yes and but that was my start in television.
Here & Now
Everyone's Favorite Weatherman, Al Roker, Releases a New Book
"Longtime today. Show weatherman in co anchor. Al roker recently turned sixty seven but he shows no sign of slowing down. He was in new orleans covering hurricane ida this week and haters on twitter. Who said he was too old to be doing that kind of thing he had this to say on. Msnbc's the sunday show with jonathan kaye. Part screw you up up okay. Talker to them. I will drop them like a bag of dirt. That fighting spirit is all over l. Wrokers latest book along with a few life lessons. He's learned over four decades of telling us the weather. It's called you look so much better. In person. true stories of absurdity and success. I spoke with al roker about the book on skype when it was published in two thousand. Twenty as you right. You weren't always confident. Tv personality that we know now. In fact you were a nerdy highschool av club kind of guy and you write that while in college. You got your first job as a weekend weather forecaster in syracuse new york. And tell us the story from there by department chairman. Dr luo donald the late dr laura. Donald decided it worked at the station w. h. Anyway he put me up for the job and You know i went down. I did the audition and they said okay. We'll let you know. And i just kept calling the news director and back in the day. You gotta remember this. One thousand nine seventy four. There were actually switchboard. Operators and the switchboard operators name was rosy. And you got to the point where she knew my name. I kept calling to ask the news director. Well oh dear. He's not in right now but tell him he called and finally there's one time she put me through and he said look i i gotta get you off my ass. You've got the job. And i said okay. I didn't ask if one i started. What do i do yes. Yes yes and but that was my start in television.
Here & Now
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Here & Now
"Longtime today. Show weatherman in co anchor. Al roker recently turned sixty seven but he shows no sign of slowing down. He was in new orleans covering hurricane ida this week and haters on twitter. Who said he was too old to be doing that kind of thing he had this to say on. Msnbc's the sunday show with jonathan kaye. Part screw you up up okay. Talker to them. I will drop them like a bag of dirt. That fighting spirit is all over l. Wrokers latest book along with a few life lessons. He's learned over four decades of telling us the weather. It's called you look so much better. In person. true stories of absurdity and success. I spoke with al roker about the book on skype when it was published in two thousand. Twenty as you right. You weren't always confident. Tv personality that we know now. In fact you were a nerdy highschool av club kind of guy and you write that while in college. You got your first job as a weekend weather forecaster in syracuse new york. And tell us the story from there by department chairman. Dr luo donald the late dr laura. Donald decided it worked at the station w. h. Anyway he put me up for the job and You know i went down. I did the audition and they said okay. We'll let you know. And i just kept calling the news director and back in the day. You gotta remember this. One thousand nine seventy four. There were actually switchboard. Operators and the switchboard operators name was rosy. And you got to the point where she knew my name. I kept calling to ask the news director. Well oh dear. He's not in right now but tell him he called and finally there's one time she put me through and he said look i i gotta get you off my ass. You've got the job. And i said okay. I didn't ask if one i started. What do i do yes. Yes yes and but that was my start in television.
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Life Lessons From Al Roker
"Longtime today. Show weatherman in co anchor. Al roker recently turned sixty seven but he shows no sign of slowing down. He was in new orleans covering hurricane ida this week and haters on twitter. Who said he was too old to be doing that kind of thing he had this to say on. Msnbc's the sunday show with jonathan kaye. Part screw you up up okay. Talker to them. I will drop them like a bag of dirt. That fighting spirit is all over l. Wrokers latest book along with a few life lessons. He's learned over four decades of telling us the weather. It's called you look so much better. In person. true stories of absurdity and success. I spoke with al roker about the book on skype when it was published in two thousand. Twenty as you right. You weren't always confident. Tv personality that we know now. In fact you were a nerdy highschool av club kind of guy and you write that while in college. You got your first job as a weekend weather forecaster in syracuse new york. And tell us the story from there by department chairman. Dr luo donald the late dr laura. Donald decided it worked at the station w. h. Anyway he put me up for the job and You know i went down. I did the audition and they said okay. We'll let you know. And i just kept calling the news director and back in the day. You gotta remember this. One thousand nine seventy four. There were actually switchboard. Operators and the switchboard operators name was rosy. And you got to the point where she knew my name. I kept calling to ask the news director. Well oh dear. He's not in right now but tell him he called and finally there's one time she put me through and he said look i i gotta get you off my ass. You've got the job. And i said okay. I didn't ask if one i started. What do i do yes. Yes yes and but that was my start in television.
Here & Now
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Here & Now
"Head out to gather samples from other streams shoreline areas and rivers sterner says scientists concur. Climate change is driving lake superior's blooms. We just have a higher likelihood of really really big storms now than we did and so if all of this is right the lake was sort of on the edge and then it warmed up enough and we got these big storms and that just kicked it over the edge and now we're seeing these phenomena that's what we think though sterner hopes building a body of scientific data can help pinpoint areas where conservation programs can reduce the risk of algae feeling run on though we. We just can't shy away from affected if climate is an important driver. That's a global problem. And we're not gonna fix it here in duluth or milwaukee or you know only as part of the earth system for hearing now. I'm susan vance longtime today. Show weatherman in co anchor. Al roker recently turned sixty seven but he shows no sign of slowing down. He was in new orleans covering hurricane ida this week and haters on twitter. Who said he was too old to be doing that kind of thing he had this to say on. Msnbc's the sunday show with jonathan kaye. Part screw you up up okay..
The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"Now it's time for the last word. Jonathan kaye part is in for lawrence tonight. Good evening. jonathan. It's a big night already. It is a big night rachel. You covered lots of big news. But i have to say. I couldn't get ready for tonight. Show for the first thirty minutes of your show listening to you. Break down people. Not trusting the cdc what fully taking recommendations from facebook to take in the inver mexican ivermectin. It can kill her license. Scabies in people can de worm your cow but it does nothing for kovin despite what fox news and facebook or telling you. It is turning into like an epidemic of misuse. That's turning out to be dangerous. It's insane right and at a time when hospital beds are filling up with covert patients and not having enough hospital beds for people who don't have covert. We're gonna be talking about a lot of this on the sunday show on sunday. But we got to get to the breaking news that you ended your show with rachel. Thank you very much and to begin with the breaking news. The us military has conducted a coward. Counterterrorism operation against an isis cape planner initial indications. Are that the target was killed. According to officials isis k. Is the terrorist organization that claimed responsibility for the explosion at kabul airport. That killed thirteen. Us service members on thursday military officials say the unmanned air strike took place today in the non bihar province of afghanistan. There are no known civilian. Casualties s servicemembers at kabul airport are still under threat. Tonight as efforts continue in the evacuation of americans and our allies from afghanistan before the august thirty first deadline for military withdrawal today according to the white house another forty two hundred people were evacuated from kabul. More than one hundred. Fourteen thousand have been evacuated from afghanistan since july including more than five thousand americans. Nbc news has learned that national security officials believe another attack outside. Kabul airport is likely and warned that the next days will be the most dangerous yet and there is new information tonight about yesterday's deadly terror attack the new york times reports at five forty eight. pm the bomber wearing a twenty five pound explosive vests underclothing walked up to the group of americans who were frisking people hoping to enter the complex. He waited officials said until just before he was about to be searched by the american troops and then he debt and detonated the bomb which was unusually large for a suicide vest killing himself and ignited it igniting an attack that would leave dozens of people dead including thirteen american servicemembers. Those thirteen u s servicemembers killed include eleven marines one navy cormon and one soldier more than a dozen. Us service members were injured. Afghan health officials. Say that as many as one hundred seventy civilians outside. The airport were killed in the explosion. None of those killed were american. Another two hundred civilians were reportedly injured today. President biden once again offered his condolences to the families of the thirteen fallen servicemembers. Let me.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"Dr kennedy welcome to the podcast. Oh it's always great. John beyond so the last time you were here you were on with your co editor of four hundred souls community. History of african america sixteen nineteen to twenty nineteen. But i've asked you here so low today because your name was invoked in my interview with a former new orleans mayor mitch landrieu and i thought you know what is a good opportunity to to have dr kennedy on. Here's what mitch said. Dr abram mix kennedy has said something that i had not really thought much about he basically has posited the theory that we've always moved side-by-side good with evil and one overtakes the other from time to time and both are always present. And then mitch goes on to say. And i don't know whether i don't know that he's more right than wrong. But it sure feels like right. Now the forces of what. I would describe as white nationalism white supremacy this notion that somehow whiteness is essential to the future of america for some people who consider themselves to be. Patriots is a very dangerous idea. And this this idea of good and simultaneously basically coexisting in one overtaking. The other i would love for you to since he's attributing it to you talk more about that. Where does that come from. And how does it manifest itself good and evil. Well i mean. I have written about the sort of racial history of this country a history of of of racial progress in an even a history of racists progress. I don't i wouldn't necessarily call it the clash between good and evil because i think it's it's important trustee too complicated even further in that you know you you have people who express sort of or maybe a part of both off forces at different times or or you have people have good intentions but you know it. Has you know a difficult outcome in. And still i don't know if we can essentially call that good or
The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"Us tonight. Coming up next week could be make or break. We for president biden and chuck schumer's very ambitious to track plan on the infrastructure. That's next today. The senate jumped over the next procedural hurdle to move forward with. The considerate with consideration of the bipartisan infrastructure. Package senators voted sixty six at twenty eight on emotion to pursue proceed vote. That will open up the package to potential changes through the amendment process. It remains to be seen whether there will be any amendments because the final text of the bill hasn't been released majority leader schumer believes amendment. Votes could happen this weekend. Keeping the chamber on track to pass the deal before the august recess. The senate remains on track to reach our goal of passing both bipartisan infrastructure. Bill and a budget resolution with reconciliation instructions before the start of the august recess. It's ambitious deadline. Absolutely but the hard work put in by senators and staff means that we are on the right track to get it done given the partisan of the bill. The senate should be able to process this legislation rather quickly. We may need the weekend. We may vote on several amendments but with the cooperation of our republican colleagues. I believe we can finish the bipartisan infrastructure. Bill in a matter of days joining us now. si hell kapoor national political reporter for nbc news. Okay so when will we actually see the text of this. Bipartisan package a jonathan. At the good question and as of two hours ago i was told by an aide involved in writing this that it could be done as early as tonight now. The night is running out of moments. Left if i looked at the clock so i suspect it's not going to be done tonight but the hope is that it's done tomorrow and at some point this weekend they can begin this process. Hopefully up or stay on chuck schumer scheduled for democrats. Wrap it up by early next week and get the budget resolution done that. Three point five trillion dollars Vehicle before they had home for the august recess. Okay so you. And i both know capitol hill and we certainly know how Senate minority leader. Mitch mcconnell operates you embed snarlin have written a piece. What's in it for for mcconnell. Because he has a blown up. So what's in it for mcconnell. It's a question. A lot of people on capitol hill are asking. Jonathan force. Senate republican leader. Mitch mcconnell is best. Known for denying bipartisan. Victories to democratic president is self style himself. The grim reaper progressive legislation. He appears to be going along with the top priority of president biden. So why is that. There are a couple of reasons. According to many conversations. I've had with his top allies. And even some of predicts the first is that many republicans in his senate caucus want this bill they are invested in that includes retiring members like rob portman who is in legacy mode thinking about how he'll be remembered includes people like lisa murkowski who came to washington to do things and not just obstruct things. Mcconnell is not omnipotent. he's got to give them what they want. Sometimes otherwise his own position could be jeopardized. The second reason is that mcconnell is eager to preserve the filibuster in there to moderate democrats. Are joe manchin and cares in cinema. Who are strong supporters of the filibuster. They happen to be authors of this. Bipartisan bill allowing the surpass would give them the talking point they need to go to progressive. Say see the senate actually works. We don't have to Nuke the sixty vote threshold that and the fact that infrastructure as popular there's little opposition to it and former president trump's mrs trying to blow up this deal have according to one republican senator. I spoke to almost zero impact on the caucus. So there's this little downside for mcconnell to allow the sapin and the lesson minute that we have left so hill. Can you tell me explain. Why senator chris juiston cinema. Kristen cinema is threatening to scuttle the three point. Five trillion dollar reconciliation bill. What's up with that cinema. Has said she opposes the three and a half trillion dollar price tag. She did not say why she did not identify policies specifically that she opposes because there aren't policies in this bill. It's currently i just kind of a concept. So that's her position. Three and a half trillion is too much in theory. Three point four trillion be viable for her. So she's not necessarily trying to blow it up altogether that said the fact is a progressives you three and a half trillion has compromises thought. They wanted six ten trillion and some progressives i spoke to including a giant the the In the house and alexandria of cortez of new york are not happy with the fact that she is objecting to three and a half trillion. Ao see accused cinema trying to nuke this entire process including infrastructure deal including that reconciliation. Which by the way are tied together in the house. These have to come up around the same time in order for speaker pelosi to consider either because the progressives have threatened to blow up the bipartisan deal unless they get as other priorities jonathan and how speaking villas he has made it clear. She wants him both together. Nbc's sahil kapur. Thank you very much. That is tonight's last word. I'm jonathan kaye part. You can catch me tomorrow on a special edition of the sunday show here on. Msnbc it'll be joined by former texas congressman beddoe work and the reverend william barbara to discuss their four day voting rights march from georgetown. Texas to austin so. Watch the saturday show tomorrow at ten. Am eastern on msnbc.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
"State representative cynthia thompson. Thank you so much. For coming to the podcast. Thank you for having me so at that. Press conference in virginia. You talked about your grandmother and the obstacles she faced when she got the chance to vote what were some of those obstacles. She added by poll tax and she yet to save our money. Nicholson pin is not quarters. You'd be able to purchase a poll tax. And then once she got up old tax she had a long ways to travel to cast that ballot. It was Transportation was nothing like being honest. This debate you had to wait for a bus to another part of the city. A pretty good distance from where she was in over fifteen miles. I'm pretty sure in order attacks. Her ballot and she was only allowed to vote in the general election because she was an african american being black. You couldn't vote in the primaries in texas. I wanted you to start with your grandmother. And i'm gonna do something that a gentleman are not supposed to do. We are not supposed to ask a woman her age that i think it's important for people to understand representative thompson. How old are you. I'm eighty two years old. And i needed people to hear that because the fact that you are talking about your grandmother and the obstacles she faced in voting in that the reason why you and i are talking now is about voting. This is not. This is not history. This is living memory for for you. I would love for you to put in context where we are right. Now as a country when it comes to voting rights we're regressing we regressing back to a place in history where we wanna limit minorities right to participate in that democracy just like. My grandmother was limited in her right to participate in democracy. We're going back to that same stage now so it looks like real just regressing.
The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"Texas democrats joined by my colleague. Jonathan kaye part in washington. I lawrence so as you know tonight is a little different than we had planned. And as you know when we could go tonight more than fifty texas democrats effectively shutdown a special session of the texas legislature in order to stop passage of a republican voter suppression bill. And they did this by coming to washington to plead for passage of voting elections proposals in congress. Our plan was to have all of them together tonight in this room to talk about their fight to protect the right to vote and everyone was going to be in this room. Lawrence had been vaccinated and then came the saturday announcement that three texas democrats all of them vaccinated tested positive for cove and today. We learned three more vaccinated. Texas democrats have tested positive tonight. We are told. Those members are all isolating and experiencing mild symptoms representatives celia. Israel cancelled her wedding last week to join her fellow texas democrats in washington. She's one of the members who tested positive. And she said this quote. I hope this instance highlights the sacrifices. We're willing to make for the cause of democracy. I would not change anything to protect the right to vote. We want to keep the focus. On what the texas democrats are fighting for. And why and we will be joined by more than a dozen of them this hour. News of six breakthrough cases among the texas democrats follows other high profile breakthrough cases. The yankees red sox game was postponed last week. After some vaccinated yankees players tested positive and it comes amid rising cases and concerns about the spread of the delta variant especially for families with unvaccinated children. Joining us now. The surgeon general of the united states. Dr vivek murthy. Dr thank you very much for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. I want to get to this situation that we've seen develop what the texas democrats the. Cdc director has referred to the state. We're in now as a pandemic of the unvaccinated. But we do have a developing story about the vaccinated. We're seeing this. More than just the taste of texas democrats but when you saw that photograph of the fifty or so texas democrats on that private plane all without masks Looking like it was a normal plane ride of a couple of years ago. Did you look at that picture and worry for them learn. I didn't see the picture. But when i can tell you in general is that you are on a his. You were on a train. You're on a bus or subway. The guidelines say to. You should be wearing masks to protect yourself into project others. The vast majority of infections were seeing lawrence are among the backstage..
The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell
"Information. They were handed all of the ballots. What more information could they possibly want. Well i think they're trying to make it look like a maricopa. County has not been cooperative with them which is absolutely not the case. They're trying to make it look like they're potentially incomplete results are because of this but the bottom line is they're just continuing to try to drag this out so that they can continue to doubt all the way into the twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four elections arizona secretary of state katie. Hobbs thank you very much for joining us tonight in keough shh and we're joined now by colorado secretary of state jenner griswald. She's the chair of the democratic association of secretaries of state secretary griswald This case in your stay In colorado the federal judges handling saying not one iota of evidence of any kind of election fraud of any kind in this lawsuit brought by lawyers. Who are now facing sanctions for lying in court in effect And it seems the way the judge handle that hearing today that those lawyers are in serious trouble just like lawyers. We saw earlier this week in michigan. Well lawrence. thank you for having me on As a lawyer when you're sworn in you swear to uphold the constitution and that means you're not allowed to use lies to file frivolous lawsuits in. You're not allowed to use the courts to undermine democracy and as you pointed out these lawyers that are now facing sanctions said that they relied on the mypillow guy as a basis for lawsuit lawrence at this point the my pillow guy gives pillows a bad may so we really need to see lawyer stop lying and everybody who is using the big lie to suppress the vote for their own. Political motivation needs to stop. So that's what democratic secretary of state are fighting for every single day. You know i have to say in in reading about this proceeding Today the hearing we're these lawyers had a chance. This was their chance to save their lives. Saved themselves from being sanctioned barred from practicing in that in federal court and so forth In colorado and i didn't hear i didn't read a single thing. They said that was actually helpful to their defense. And everything i read that they offered was actually more incriminating. Like that point about the my pillow guy is an authoritative source. That's right elections are not infomercials. They're very serious Endeavors you know what i can say as chief election officer for the state of colorado is that we're seeing the same type of lies that were flushed out in the hearings being used as a basis to suppress the vote You know there's been attempts in colorado an nationwide as a nation. We've seen four hundred bills to suppress the vote in forty seven states. Were seeing the stripping of authority from secretaries of state who just oversaw one of the most secure elections in america's history on in. it's all because some elected officials did not like the results of twenty twenty so now they're trying to change the rules so i think today's hearing is is a good thing. I think these hearings across the nation. underline accountability. And that's what we need. More of this nation lawyers and elected officials should not be able to lie to manipulate the american people. Well that's what we thought law school was for. Is there some deficiency in ethics teaching in law. School now has it kind of collapsed to the point where these guys think. They can walk into a federal courtroom in lie and there won't be sanctions. Well i think that hearings are pretty much showing that that is not going to fly in. The united states attorneys are being stripped of their license saw they are being sanctioned but it's a bigger problem than just lawyers. We had a president of the united states lie in use the tools of the federal government to erect barriers to the vote That's about as un-american as you can get so. I think what we need to see is the recognition of the urgency of the moment were at. We are seeing systematic approach to strip away our freedoms to strip away the very foundation of this country. The right of americans to choose their elected officials That's why it's so urgent. For congress to pass a voting reform to protect the right to vote and if they do not to in twenty twenty two american voters will be able to choose their secretaries of state to stand up and protect elections. Colorado secretary of state john griswald. Thank you very much for joining us. Really appreciate inca. Tonight's last word is next. How the mighty have fallen. Mark zuckerberg has gone from visiting in the white house with a president who profited from the false propaganda disseminated by facebook to a president. Who now says mark zuckerberg. Facebook is killing people with lies about cova. Nineteen this information. What's your message on facebook. Really look only we have is among unvaccinated killing people on thursday. Us surgeon general vivek murthy warned that health misinformation is a serious threat to public health and he criticized facebook for not doing enough to stop the spread of false information on its platform. Mark zuckerberg did not reply to the present today but facebook issued a written statement saying we will not be distracted by accusations which aren't supported by the facts. The fact is that more than two billion people have viewed authoritative information about covert nineteen in vaccines on facebook which is more than any other place on the internet and a programming note before we go tonight on monday night at this hour in this place. Jonathan kaye part will be live in washington. Dc for an msnbc special presentation. jonathan kaye part. we'll be joined by all of the texas democrats who are in our nation's capital to plead for federal voting rights protections. All of the texas democrats will join. Jonathan kaye for the special battleground democracy. The texas democrats. Monday at ten pm eastern right here on msnbc..
Who? Weekly
"jonathan kaye" Discussed on Who? Weekly
"I can't do anything quickly. Okay vilely cyrus act. Slash brody jenner. Caitlin carter remember her Her forget you she Got married to brody jenner in bali but like not legally and then dated miley cyrus and lake caused tiff and whatever then disappeared from whatever. She is now pregnant. Her boyfriend is christopher. Brock who is a fashion designer who briefly was linked to amber heard and has a fashion label called the brock collection with his ex wife. Laura vassar okay okay okay anyways killing carter's pregnant and there was a lot of this like weird tablets up about how brody jenner's mom commented like congrats and everyone's like well. I guess that's settled. You know. I guess that's good with them number. Two the wingels loss twins member them. I hate some of the social network aka. The facebook twins our into bitcoin. They started a band. According to page six. We hear six members of the group play to a dozen guests at cameron's no-ho loft this week. Okay they're literally just playing like in his in like cameron wingels vases apartment. This doesn't count page. Shut the fuck up okay. Then next we have on into army has a new boyfriend. And speaking of you know tact entrepreneurs like the winkle voss twins he is this guy who helps run tinder. Wait tinder right under yet. Tender his name is paul oiled. Paul bucha dacas and this headline says on arm is enjoying her time with paul bucha dhaka's after removing i g. Pick of ben affleck. She removed it. Did you see that she was so it was because fans kept commenting on the pick and it was annoying her. I guess and i'm really so we miss you. We miss ben on. This is from hollywood life. This is hollywood. Life and this source is so specific about the mechanism of igt. That i'm like this has to be real. Let me read you this. Tell me this is not an arm us. The romance rumors come after ana deleted a photo of her and ben below on instagram. Sometime within the last month according to the inside of the comments had become too much for the star quote people kept commenting about their past relationship on it and it was just to take it down to avoid the whole thing. The insider told h. l. She assigned to keep another photo of them up because she posted it from her birthday. Last year was buried in a slight of pigs. because it wasn't the cover photo up. Sorry like just the specific information about the way that instagram works. It's like she kept a photo of ben affleck because it wasn't the main photo on her. It wasn't the front of the carousel. Wasn't the cover finding the photo easily. Well they the fans know exactly where that photo is. But it's not as glaring. I guess as the photo that she deleted Do right. I think that's pretty funny but it's also like what's especially funny about this. Is that reminds me that like i went from wanting nothing but on armas news to kind of forgetting that she exists in the span of ever since they were spotted in montana. Ever since j. Lo and ben respondent montana on dharma was wiped from my memory. kind of i'm being fully just wiped. I mean it helped like you know armies updates on a dharma's updates was like really helping fuel the excitement over this woman and then she dated affleck and that was exciting for us. But you're right like now. I'm kind of like what's next you know you're going to have to keep it. You have to keep it spicy. And i'm not sure dating a guy who founded twitter is that spicy to me. That's okay maybe it's spicy to her. Okay we're moving. Along houma thurman is dating the news. I i did find the photo of on dharma's with ben affleck in the thing and it is key like it's a sexy photo like the photo that she left up. He's like clutching her arm. It's it's cute next up. Ooh la thurman is reportedly dating bloomberg media. Ceo justin be smith quote on the news lover. And here's the thing what thurman loves the news and that's really funny to me. It was revealed in a write up of a party like it was revealed in like Hardy yup and report about dc. Which is insane. The near time suddenly announced their relationship status in a write up of a party at smith's washington. Dc home in the upscale kalorama iron. Even know where the hell that is neighborhood. Okay if you say so. She then was quote at also the actress. Emma thurman who is dating. Mr smith writer sean. Macree slipped in at the end of a paragraph listing off the guests which included some media. Who's who quote actually. I'm a news lover. Thurmond said of the crowd. That's a weird way to write. That did she say that to him or did she say it's very. We don't have the details about like win. That was slipped into a conversation Addressing them. What did he ask. Are you dating justin. Be smith and she said no actually. I'm a news lover. That's why i'm here. You may mean. Let's find out hold on one timothy les dan. What's very kind of weird about this. Is it's wrapped up. It's not just a normal party. Report like washington. The washington society scene is back headline is washington. Society steps back out grizzly waking from hibernation the ruling classes. Coming out of this thing with an appetite like a goal risley's and it's talking about this very specific party or series of parties that have been happening recently in. Dc you look at the photos. They truly look like. Wow pandemic is over. Not a mask in sight people everywhere. Everyone's having a good time pant like covid nineteen who and then. It looks like ten paragraphs in it says. Spirits were high at the kalorama home of justin bsb at the executive of bloomberg media group. Okay the first good. Dc media party of the summer is funny the first good dc party. The summary of the summer the journalism at a party. Like in the sino. And they're like very. Your party is definitely if you were in washington dc society. You know what that means that is being. That is definitely a read okay. The journalists who gathered for sc- scallops and lamb toast included the editor of the atlantic. Jeffrey goldberg the washington post columnist jonathan kaye. Part jonathan swan of axes and abby philip of cnn. Also the actress. Emma thurman who was dating mr smith. Okay that's the house of iraq. No reveal ms thurman than there's two big photos. There's a photo of paul ryan chatting with someone beautiful photo shadows. And then miss thurman lakes dc quote. I welcomed and was spiritually fascinated. By the cicadas that just crawled across my finger holding a flute of peak. Peddle its natural. She has had. She has battled batman been shot full of rock salt and buried alive at least character but has she ever seen anything as disturbing as twenty-five reporters in one place attempting to socialize quote actually lever. Oh my god. I really appreciate people. Caitlyn she said referring to the cnn correspondent kaitlan collins also in attendance. Well this the quote. From wherever i got this from from us weekly or whatever from people left out the funds. They left out everything that made that good. They really looked like this is a good. This is good scene setting. Oh my god when she says are you. Are you intimidated to run by all these these titans of media and she said actually. I'm a newsletter. I'm the fucking bride. I was in kill parts one and two. You think i was in pulp fiction intimidated by. Cnn's blah blah blah and axios. No bitch it's a news site. I was married to ethan hawke. Have you ever met his ass like no one got intimidated by jonathan swan. My daughter's in stranger things up and coming. She's while he wants thirty under thirty. You know you think. I'm scared of the atlantic guy. What's the atlantic. This is so this is so disrespectful to think about this i. Now they're like all these like a media these the men of media the media the only thing worse than like media reporting party reporting or when both of those things are combined because get off of each other's dicks who cares is not which is so funny like this meteoroid porter like comes across thurman and it has to reckon with our. It's like i'm a and be able to fit into this dc crowd. It's like yes bet. Just sit anywhere. She was in the car. She was completely paralyzed. What else has she done she was. She walked the streets of paris. It before sunset after sunset and then the other ones. That wasn't her that was. Who is it dammit..
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Lee Daniels and Andra Day on the hidden activist life of Billie Holiday
"Good afternoon. I'm jonathan kaye. Part opinion writer for the washington post. Welcome to washington post. Live the united states versus. Billie holiday is the incredible story of the fbi's effort efforts to keep jazz great billie holiday from singing strange fruit. Her signature song about lynching director lee daniels presents a gripping drama that shows holiday in all her glory and tragedy. Andrew o.'day gives a stellar performance. So convincing you'd think you were watching lady day herself. That's why i am thrilled and honored to welcome lee daniels and andhra dade to washington post. Live thank you both very much for being here to see you again. I know it's been a very long time. Greats isn't a you again both of you. Congratulations on this film. The moment i saw it. I immediately sent a letter to y'all saying okay here. All your options. I need to talk to you about this film. Le- let me start. Start with you. Thanks so as we saw in the in the opening clip. The film tackles pretty much everything. Racism sexism addiction art abuse. And i'm wondering. How did you come to this project. And what influenced your approach to billie. Holiday's life susan lori parks the pulitzer winning a prize winning playwright Sent me this beautiful script that really depicts the government breaking her down coming for her coming for billie holiday and and really trying to cripple her. As an artist or singing strange fruit which was about lynching black people and that wasn't the understanding of billie holiday that i had. I thought that she was a troubled jazz singer. Got in trouble with the law. And you know the drugs and was fashionable. I did know that she was a political activist. And so and i you know i pride myself in being smart about our history and i thought to myself that i i don't do this. I don't know i had. I had to do it. And i thought also like how many other stories about our people have have. They have been hidden so yeah that was more threes in selena. And so right and i am going to latch onto what you just said before. Which was you thought of billie holiday as a jazz singer But you didn't really know that she was an activist. What what more did she do. Other than being defiant about trying to seeing strange fruit despite government opposition and government targeting. What other things that she do that made you realize that she's she's more than just lady day. What other than she did. Besides stand up to the government. I guess a lot to say i couldn't. I don't know that i could today. I don't think that i could. They told me lead. You can never make a movie again or coming for your mother. I'm going to come for your kids and you will. I'm like take it. But the thing about her strength and her being born in the into the world that she was being born in tipton board she didn't she didn't get to fly in you know what because she. She had nothing to lose by living in her constantly. And let me bring you in here. I saw your interview go ahead. Go ahead now. I just wanted to back off that too. I mean. I think what shows so brilliantly in the movies that apart what she did in standing up to the government was being human. She's black queer woman in the nineteen thirties. Forties and fifties and that living in an owning their in itself is is is defiance than accident that she's integrating audiences music one of the first artists a black woman to integrate carnegie hall. She wasn't the first but she is one of the first shoes audiences in athlete. People understand. This is sort of pre. They're real reinvigorated civil rights mellon so we wouldn't have our heroes would not have been as bold in as they were no thurgood. Marshall end the light on downs. You know rosa parks on down if it were not for her singing. Strange fruit in defiance of the government for not for setting off this alarm in the nation. In letting people know that it's that this was a really really understand. How much for june that emboldened the civil rights news we know today you know as as arrested in the so and him showing her in all her. Human element is is access. Defiance all in itself nelson young. I'm proud from did work.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Lee Daniels and Andra Day take on Billie Holiday’s legacy
"Afternoon. I'm jonathan kaye. Part opinion writer for the washington post. Welcome to washington post. Live the united states versus. Billie holiday is the incredible story of the fbi's effort efforts to keep jazz great billie holiday from singing strange fruit. Her signature song about lynching director lee daniels presents a gripping drama that shows holiday in all her glory and tragedy. Andrew o.'day gives a stellar performance. So convincing you'd think you were watching lady day herself. That's why i am thrilled and honored to welcome lee daniels and andhra dade to washington post. Live thank you both very much for being here to see you again. I know it's been a very long time. Greats isn't a you again both of you. Congratulations on this film. The moment i saw it. I immediately sent a letter to y'all saying okay here. All your options. I need to talk to you about this film. Le- let me start. Start with you. Thanks so as we saw in the in the opening clip. The film tackles pretty much everything. Racism sexism addiction art abuse. And i'm wondering. How did you come to this project. And what influenced your approach to billie. Holiday's life susan lori parks the pulitzer winning a prize winning playwright Sent me this beautiful script that really depicts the government breaking her down coming for her coming for billie holiday and and really trying to cripple her. As an artist or singing strange fruit which was about lynching black people and that wasn't the understanding of billie holiday that i had. I thought that she was a troubled jazz singer. Got in trouble with the law. And you know the drugs and was fashionable. I did know that she was a political activist. And so and i you know i pride myself in being smart about our history and i thought to myself that i i don't do this. I don't know i had. I had to do it. And i thought also like how many other stories about our people have have. They have been hidden so yeah that was more threes in selena. And so right and i am going to latch onto what you just said before. Which was you thought of billie holiday as a jazz singer But you didn't really know that she was an activist. What what more did she do. Other than being defiant about trying to seeing strange fruit despite government opposition and government targeting. What other things that she do that made you realize that she's she's more than just lady day. What other than she did. Besides stand up to the government. I guess a lot to say i couldn't. I don't know that i could today. I don't think that i could. They told me lead. You can never make a movie again or coming for your mother. I'm going to come for your kids and you will. I'm like take it. But the thing about her strength and her being born in the into the world that she was being born in tipton board she didn't she didn't get to fly in you know what because she. She had nothing to lose by living in her constantly. And let me bring you in here. I saw your interview go ahead. Go ahead now. I just wanted to back off that too. I mean. I think what shows so brilliantly in the movies that apart what she did in standing up to the government was being human. She's black queer woman in the nineteen thirties. Forties and fifties and that living in an owning their in itself is is is defiance than accident that she's integrating audiences music one of the first artists a black woman to integrate carnegie hall. She wasn't the first but she is one of the first shoes audiences in athlete. People understand. This is sort of pre. They're real reinvigorated civil rights mellon so we wouldn't have our heroes would not have been as bold in as they were no thurgood. Marshall end the light on downs. You know rosa parks on down if it were not for her singing. Strange fruit in defiance of the government for not for setting off this alarm in the nation. In letting people know that it's that this was a really really understand. How much for june that emboldened the civil rights news we know today you know as as arrested in the so and him showing her in all her. Human element is is access. Defiance all in itself nelson young. I'm proud from did work.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Symone Sanders has something to say and now she'll speak for Kamala Harris
"I'm jonathan kaye. Part opinion writer for the washington post in host of the cape up podcast at the washington post and it is my pleasure to welcome you to the ninety second street. Wise virtual event simone sanders in conversation about her book. No you shut up. Speaking truth to power and reclaiming america's simone sanders. Welcome to the ninety second street. Y thank you jonathan. I'm glad to be here you know. I thought i'd do this little couch situation today. Because every time at the ninety second street y i just feel like it is a comfy like sanding where we really settle in have good meaty conversations of. I tried to create that environment here today. All right well. Let's let's have that that meeting conversation. This book was fun. Your book was fun in it. It went in in ways that i did not expect. It is memoir. It is at its advice for for young people. It's a it's a blueprint and we're gonna get into that in a moment. But i just have to jump in right away right now. You are senior adviser to the democratic presidential nominee. Joe biden last election cycle. You're the national press secretary for senator bernie sanders in two thousand sixteen for all for myself and everyone who's watching. How did that happen. And i want to start with bernie sanders. Why him in two thousand sixteen. Don't look i. I wanna say i am just again very grateful to be here and i love this. The question you started with because i know this is the question everybody really wants to answer. How did this happen. Why will tell you that. And i went to go work for senator sanders in twenty fifteen and i went to work for him because the conversations that he was having out on the campaign trail where the conversations that frankly i was having with my friends i i wanted to be able to contribute to what senator sanders was saying and knowing everything that i know right now given everything that i've experienced I would make the decision to go back and do it all over again in two thousand fifteen i would. If i go back into time i would go back and still make the same decision. I'm proud of the work. We did when i made the decision that i wanted to go back out on the campaign trail this cycle because i you know i was enjoying my time as a political commentator. I used to go to branch. I used to go on vacation now. None of those things are happening. Some of that is due to cope. Nineteen and the current president of the united states. Mismanagement of that situation which i'm sure we will have opportunity to touch on later. I'll but some of it is because on the campaign trail. There is no brunch okay. There are no vacations. There is a work for a finite amount of time and the clock is ticking as we are having this conversation we are yet a couple couple of weeks a number of weeks just a couple of minutes away from election day and when i made the conversation the decision to go back on the campaign trail i really i talked to lots of different folks as you all may remember their upwards of more than twenty people running to be the democratic nominee. And when i had the to sit down with vice president biden and his wife dr jill biden joe biden. Said to me something. Y'all have heard him say a number of different times. He told me he was running for president because he thought that what he was saying from trump wasn't abuse of power and he could not sit back and watch an abuse of power go unchecked that he didn't want to look back on this election cycle unthank- what if i would have ran for president and that was similar to something i had experienced. I didn't wanna look back on this cycle and thing. What if. I didn't jump in and i told him i said me too sir and i'm live but i want to work for somebody. I don't wanna be the president. And then joe biden told me that he felt we were in a battle for the soul of the nation and that he was running and he will be talking about rebuilding the backbone of the country and uniting america and that struck me because i felt like in that moment that joe biden correctly diagnosed. What america was actually experienced. I
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Interview With Ilhan Omar
"Good morning. I'm jonathan kaye. Part opinion writer for the washington post and welcome to washington post live. It is also a live recording of my post opinions. Podcast cape up. My guess today was just re elected to her second term in the us house of representatives she is congresswoman ilhan omar of minnesota's fifth congressional district congresswoman. Thanks for coming on the podcast. So great to be here with jonathan so less we talked which was yesterday on msnbc. I ask you for your reaction to being able to say the words president elect biden and your response to me was really interesting you said and correctly and i would love for you to to expand on this. You said that it would be it. It'll be great for you to not have to explain to your daughter. Y the president. The president of the united states was saying mean things about you. I mean so. I don't know if you remember this. Jonathan but The president when he was running for president king to minnesota two days before the two thousand sixteen elections and basically when on attack against somali immigrants somali refugees and for me and the community that i represent for my children. It's been a four year assault on everything that we believe in everything that we stand for down to our basic identity as american refugees in this country. And so you know. I've had many long days many nights having to explain to my youngest child who is now eight My two older ones You know sort of absorbed and can conceptualize what what is taking place in the political discourse in this country but for her it's been really challenging or this actually happened. You know. I think for a lot of our kids. They hear about a president in the here about Someone they're supposed to look up to see as a leader and there there's a lot of respect for the presidency that we try to instill in them and to have someone who has denigrated that as president in herve daily formative years has been really challenging. I mean it's one thing to be To have someone attack your community writ large. It's another thing when that someone is the president of the united states and he is directly attacking you by name personally. How has how has that felt on a personal level you know. I have gotten accustomed to standing up to bullies in in my life and so on a personal level. It hasn't really impacted me. Besides having you know my my children be exposed to add and And you know for for the last two months of this election cycle waking up every single warning to text messages from my siblings. Asking if i was safe because he chose to speak about me at every single rally. Didn't really matter where he was sometimes multiple times in a day as he had held his klan rallies throughout the country. And and you know. And i and i thought a lot about in the last two years that attack on me has met for the people who see themselves in me Whether it is you know. Muslims whether it is a black woman whether it is immigrants refugees People who are aspiring to be leaderless in in our country many. I want to live in an inclusive society and wants to be part of creating progress for our country And it's it's really something to to analyze and to understand and to to reckon with. Because as i as i said you know when i first came to the united states in middle school i remember getting a letter of recognition from then president clinton and i remember you know reading this this ladder and i wrote about it in my book. My father sort of was really proud of this letter at the time. I didn't really care much about you. Know who was president or politics That to my father. It was an acceptance of our existence in this country. It was sort of another welcoming letter welcoming ladder when you arrive here as a refugee and you know that that is what a president is supposed to be representative of. They are a leader of the nation. They are supposed to make everybody feel as if they are their president and to have now had four years of a president who has occupied. The white house was not seen himself as the leader of all of the people in this country who is not extended a welcoming hand every single person Is you know. Really sad. And sing. And disheartening And the day that it was announced that he lost his reelection. I tweet it to my now. Deceased father who passed away because of covert complications are that the president did not relieve in. Acknowledge that you know that we did it and he will no longer be president of the united states and the country that he loved Will hopefully come back to being a pekan. Oh hope An inclusive country that understands that There is strength in our diversity and And then there are better days ahead of us
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Michelle Lujan Grisham on U.S. covid-19 response
"Jonathan, Kaye part, and this is Cape Up. My guest has been her states. Secretary of Health sees represented her State in Congress today. She is said to be on Joe. Biden's vice presidential shortlist in chose it. She would be the first lat next American on a presidential ticket. She is New Mexico Governor Michelle Luhan Grisham. Hear what she has to say about that and her states response to Corona virus in this special case up live episode right now. Governor Welcome! You know I'm delighted to be on your show. Nice to meet you spend a little time with you Jonathan. Likewise. Thank you very much for being here now. I mentioned that you were the health secretary. You are a member of Congress because they gave you incredible insight, I think and how to deal with the corona virus early on you declared a statewide health emergency on March eleventh when there were only four cases in your state. What did you see that pushed? The pushed you to move so quickly. Well two things that you know that this virus is moving, and so it comes with travelers we've got commuters were movie Hijab I was still dealing with folks who were trapped on a cruise and California and I've dealt with the pandemic before and the. You Start and the more aggressively you start, the better control and management efforts you have in. This is the problem because you can't see the pandemic everyone I think falsely assumes it won't come here. The it'll be easy, and we'll wait until we see what's happening because I think for too many leaders. It's easier to explain you have to move immediately. Otherwise it rages out of control and we're seeing that all across the country now. What we follow up, you said you've been through a pandemic before. which are you talking Ebola or something else? Blue so we had two issues. We had a flu epidemic I said pandemic epidemic in two, thousand, seven, two, thousand eight, and then in two, thousand and five. We had a flu vaccine shortage so when you are in a state where you've got higher. Per Capita. Issues related to chronic issues for children and adults, and that you have a higher death rate then from influenza we'd have a third of the capacity of healthcare providers and hospitalizations I literally had to join with illiinois to. Import flu vaccine from Canada Rich. You really couldn't do then and we found A. Soft, can I say loophole and brought it in and I protected Mexica residents then we took. Out of flu vaccine, so I took all the mercury out of it to further protect new Mexicans. I wouldn't buy anything that had. Mirasol in it, and then when the epidemic was coming in the same thing, he didn't have sufficient investments in public health, so getting to people getting them vaccinated partnering with limited. A. Private Provider Group was really challenging so probably answering this too long Jonathan but in December I knew this was coming. I asked my teams to start planning in early January, so we began to have round tables and start looking about where we was secure. And testing supplies. That's really interesting. You started focusing this on in December. And then moving with your staff in January, so you anticipated what could happen, but didn't you anticipate the inaction from the federal government in terms of having a national strategy? No in my wildest dreams I would not be spending my known specific time finding supplies testing supplies, and the right manufacturers, trying to figure out which instruments right the FDA was going to authorize in an emergency use environment, then test for the for the virus, so not every instrument was available. Not every then re agent is available every testing because they're not all. They weren't at the time universal, getting swabs and then chasing. And, then, in my wildest dreams I wouldn't be dealing with the federal government who would literally then take the things that you secured and redistributes them for the country while you want it to be a country focus. Because it wasn't it meant that you were fighting? Frankly with other governors and FEMA to get the adequate supplies into your state, and now we're seeing it occur again because there was without any federal strategies, still now that you have these outbreaks, governors are in the same situation chasing down supplies and P P and trying to adequately cover their first responders is the most outrageous environment I've ever worked on worked in in my entire career.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
What Susan Rice thinks she could bring to a Biden administration
"I'm Jonathan. Kaye part, and this is Cape up in former President Barack. Obama's first term Susan Rice was the US ambassador to the United Nations. In the second term, she was Obama's National Security Advisor. Today Susan Rice as a private citizen author of tough love, my story of the things worth fighting for and under serious consideration to be Joe. Biden presidential, running name. Here what she has to say about that President Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic, and whether the president is a national security threat to the United States in the Special Cape Up Life episode right now. Welcome back for the third time to the Cape Up podcast embassador Susan Rice welcome. Thanks so much great to be with you. So leery about one minute before we came on air here, there was breaking news that trump administration drops plan to deport international students in online classes, and your reaction was to applaud explained chance. Well, it was such a misguided. Stupid. Decision that they took in the first place. International students are critical part of our university structure. Our college campuses they bring talent. They bring diversity. They bring resources and to lock them out, simply because their campuses have decided by virtue of the pandemic they need to. Conduct classes, online in the fall was just calloused an. Extraordinarily counterproductive I haven't had a chance to read in detail the reporting on it, but it looks like. The trump administration saw their effort to defend this policy in court was unlikely to succeed and they backed down. And it seems to be a victory for our colleges and universities are students across this country and across the world, because so much of our appeal, our competitiveness, our soft power depends on people around the world, wanting to come here and learn and study bring their skills and talents. So this is a good day. Ambassador. Let's keep talking about foreign policy. Originally, I was going to start this interview talking about the election in Poland and the news of the reelection of Poland's president. Duda and he's an ally of president. Trump's and a supporter of the right wing Law and Justice Party he's been condemned by the e, U and democratic watchdogs, and just wondering how if you think president trump's behavior in the farm policies space his support for leaders like Duda, as contributed to the rise of illiberal nationalist in autocratic regimes around the world. Well certainly legitimize the rise of elected autocrats, and we see that increasingly. Parts of the World Poland is the most recent example it's unfortunate because Poland is an important part of NATO an important part of the EU, but it is moving in a direction where it's values, and its approach are completely out of step with the other members of the alliance and it it suggested. Particularly, when it comes to the EU. Their position could be in jeopardy down the road if if there is a further move towards anti democratic policies and structures. Ambassador is it possible for the alliance to even survive if the super in the alliance, the United States doesn't even bother to champion those small D, democratic ideals that have been the cement for Alliance for more than seven decades. All the NATO alliance is under duress. Because of president trump's callous disregard for the purposes and the interest of this alliance, our alliance with NATO is built on common values, but it's also built on interest that we stand together as North American allies North Atlantic allies. And Atlantic. And Europe broadly to counter threats to our sovereignty and territorial integrity is in alliance at which come chiefly from Russian. And when the United States, Questions the value of our lines turns it into a transactional arrangement when president trump decides to unilaterally withdraw third of our horses from Germany without even consulting with the German government and calls our adversaries from Russia to China to North Korea while putting our allies in a very difficult position, it does great damage to the alliance in that's one of the many reasons why we need change I don't think NATO, and our leadership role in the world can withstand for more years of Donald Trump. And, that's why we need change, and we need leadership in the form of Joe Biden who comes out of the bipartisan American tradition of supporting our alliances of understanding who our friends are, and who are adversaries are, and that our leadership and our strength in the world is enhanced when we can bring partners and allies with us.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Civil rights icon John Lewis is deeply moved by todays demonstrations
"I'm Jonathan, Kaye part, and this is Cape Up Congressman John Lewis of Georgia has been congress for more than thirty years before that he was a leader in the civil rights movement from the citizens in Nashville to the freedom rides to the marches from Selma Montgomery. Lewis literally put his body on the line to push this nation to live up to its ideals. It's all documented in John Lewis good trouble new documentary on Lewis's live from back in the day to present day, the parallels between then and now are haunting I, talked to Louis about the film about what's going on in the country today from the demonstrations I've been deeply moved. And inspired to the deafening silence of congressional Republicans. is frightening. The people can be so silent. So Quiet In spite of everything that has taken place to whom Joe Biden should pick for his running mate vice president. Should consider. A woman. and. It should be a black woman. Sit Down with the legend the Great John Lewis Right now. Congressman John Lewis Welcome back to the podcast as good to be back. Good to be back. Thank you for having so. We're supposed to talk about the fantastic documenting. About you call John Lewis good trouble but I. have to start this conversation off. By having you talk about the demonstrations that we have seen over the low. Cost more than week. Since the the killing of of George Floyd a Terrier, I've been deeply move. And in spy. Lysine, the hundreds and thousand. Citizens. Not just citizens of America. The citizens around the world. Yet involved in peaceful non violent protests. To dramatize. The issue that we must stop. Lying people. Become the victim. Of police violence. You Know Congressman You on on bloody. Sunday that day on the Edmund Pettus. Bridge You face down. Police Violence Yourself. It was caught on camera. The Nation watched that with their own is the way they have. The the murder of George Floyd with their own eyes. How much does it bother you that more than fifty years after bloody Sunday, we are still having these same conversations. These same demonstrations whose spark is retaliatory, it makes me very sad. Made me, cry. To Watch. What happened to? This man a Aqalla. You'd have to come to the point. Is The met is going to stop. But was so moving to so. To seep people the mall of America and all over the world. Through the action I can do something. I can says something. The By Marching Speaking up. Speaking. In the in the movie. which follows you from campaign rallies in twenty eighteen right up through the present day, and there was one rally that you in Texas in two thousand eighteen. Were particularly thing you said caught my attention and you said then. We've got to save our our country. Save our democracy. That was in twenty eighteen. Would you say that your your Your Clarion Call Ben has even more urgency now. We'll ask. What in because I've felt. That, Political. Leader that we have today. Is a threat. To Democracy. And is a threat. It'd be.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
The author of White Fragility doesnt think most white people care about racial injustice
"I'm Jonathan Kaye part in this is Cape. Robin Diangelo is the author of white fragility by it so hard for white people to talk about racism. It's one of the most important books on race and racism that I've read because it's written by a white woman for white people. And she doesn't mince words I actually don't think that most white people care about racial injustice. The Angelo and I discuss how amy Cooper's nine. One one call and central park was terrifying addition to a history of white women's tears, being weaponized against black men, we discussed the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, and we talk about the broader concept of white fragility. And how if you're white? You can liberate yourself from it. As you will hear. This was a Cathartic conversation for me. You can listen to it right now. Robert de Ngelo. Thank you very much for coming on the PODCAST. Thanks for having me I've been raving about your book white fragility. Why so hard for white people talk about racism? Since I read last year in one of the chapters in your book is entitled White Women's Tears and I immediately thought of it in in reaction to what happened central park between Amy Cooper, and Christian couvert not no relation and you have A. reprise Vignette. in that chapter where someone says to you when a white woman cries, a black man gets hurt, and you go on to write, not knowing or being sensitive to this history is another example of white centrality, individualism and lack of racial humility. In that that vignette jumped out at me after watching the Amy Cooper video. Because at least to me, it was clear Amy Cooper knew what she was doing. Those quote, unquote tears, and that quote unquote emotion were not real. From your perspective and as author of this book, tell me what you what you thought of what you saw in that video, and how that plays into the overall research in your book. Yeah, and you also noticed that the more it becomes clear that they're not working the more unraveled she becomes right there something. There's response that she expects to get that. She's not getting. So there's so much going on in that that scene. If you will, there's the sense of this is my space. This is our space and you don't belong in this space. And I am entitled to engage in this faith in any way that I want. I need to follow the rules right so in putting them back onto him. She actually makes herself the victim and hurt him the perpetrator. He's not following a an unspoken set of rules, which is not only not being in her space, but backing down a when she basically demands him to back down. When she she uses his race. Over and over, so it's very clear. She's not just calling the police and describing him even before she calls, she makes it known in. This is another great example of the lie of color blindness that we don't notice people's race. That has no meaning so she's leveraging all of this, and he just remains calm, dignified and she again. And more irrational, and I think in enlarge white fragility is irrationality, but it doesn't have to be rational. We don't have to be rational. It just has to work, so we can on in one one moment invoke individualism. Why can't we all be seen as unique and different and the next moment? Oh, we all bleed under the skin. Why can't we all seen as the same? They're contradictory narratives, but that's not the point the point is we need to silence of racism. We need to silence any calling in of our positions of our entitlement. At in there, there's a there's so much history behind this. This is this is another piece. White women's tears invoke a history of terror. I mean Emmett till. Is probably the most amplified example of what happens when a white woman claims distress. In that case he you know. He looked at me. He whistled at me and in the Emmett till example, we also know that that wasn't true. This a so much of this is based on lies, but up until recently it's certainly been effective.
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Think no one can defeat Lindsey Graham? 'Watch me!' his Democratic opponent says.
"I'm Jonathan Kaye. Part and this is Cape Up. When I was in South Carolina in February for the Democratic primary I sat down with Jamie Harrison. He's the former chairman of the State's Democratic Party. The first African American to hold the post and now he's vying to become the Palmetto sleet second black sitting. Us senator by running against incumbent. Republican Senator Lindsey. Graham Harrison has an incredible bio one. That took him from being so poor. He ate cereal with water to being a graduate of Yale and Georgetown Law school his race to defeat. Graham has gone from improbable to possible since we talked. Harrison's first quarter fundraising broke state records and he's within striking distance of overtaking. The man folks once revered. Here's what he said happened at Focus Group in Charleston and one woman. Said said to the moderator. She said it and I'm bothered. By the fact that Lindsey Graham did not stand up for his friend John McCain and she said if he won't stand up for his best friend. What would do for me here? Harrison explain how that sentiment could be his route to victory over Lindsey Graham right now Jamie Harrison. Thank you very much for being on the PODCAST. Thank you Jonathan. I appreciate it so I to get into to who you are and when you look at your biography it's gripping in its gripping in its deprivation and in its success and start with the dipper the tough early years and there one line in your bio that just grabbed me and I read it several times a simple line and it was Were you said you remember eating cereal with water? Because you couldn't afford milk. Listen when I tell folks that we it was difficult and hard it was The that particular situation there are a number of occasions. Where you we go to fridge. Go get some milk. I love fruity pebbles. I also and and and my grandma would You know sometimes. She wouldn't be at home because she's working and it wouldn't be milk and so you have to put water in it I there were times Jonathan when you know my grandfather who were construction would get up in the morning needed to go to work. And the Goethe's car truck in the gas on empty in In so you know. I'm helping him trying to looking through couch cushions Looking for quarter nickel dime so he just get enough. You know at that time Gal. Gas was less than a dollar Just enough to Get to work and back and and because he needed to go to work we we had to have him go to work. It wasn't like he was going. He was on salary. Who's GONNA I mean We were we were Every Nickel County In our household himself you lived with your grandparents. Because your your mom had you when she was sixteen yes she. She had me when she was sixteen years old. And we. My mom and I both live with my grandparents for awhile and then my mom decided She got a job and got a house and moved out until then I stayed with her for a while and then she got laid off at her job and couldn't find anything here in South Carolina so she decided to go to Atlanta and When she decided to go to Atlanta the the agreement was that she would go find a job. Kind of get situated. I would see here with my grandparents until that happened but You know time pass. My mom did eventually situated. But I didn't WanNa leave my grandparents and it's because my grandparents and I had sort of a symbiotic relationship It got to the point where I feel obligated like I took care of them and they took care of me They didn't have a whole lot of education. My grandmother had an eighth grade education because she dropped out of school to pick cotton and then worked in textile insurance she did. Domestic were and my grandfather had a fourth grade education. He Stop School. He worked at a dairy and then he did construction. Most of his life up until he got diabetes but because they didn't have a lot of education and you know I was a kid. Who's the I did well in school even early on I was reading above my reading. Level you know early on and so Bills would come into the house and it was my job to read them to tell my grandparents what it was now the context for what? I was reading. It had no idea what clue was but That's what I read. And so but at the same time they took care of me they made sure I had my clothes my food and and took me to all the little things that I wanted to do. And so we had a very very close bond and in some ways my grandparents And I were is sort of a second set of parents in essence and But due to remarkable people one really horrible thing that happened was that their house was sold out from under actually taken away from them. Talk about what happened in that. So you know when I was this is when I was in Middle School Mike Grimm so the House that I was born in my grandparents decided to sell. 'em Uh my grandma was just had her heart set on a mobile home in this. When you know mobile homes are eight. They were coming out in their fancy and they had like the Jacuzzi Tub and all this other stuff even though we now know it as an investment is not something that you really want to invest. Because it didn't build any equity in thing so but nonetheless they went and they decide to get a mobile home so they took the money that a guy from the house they went to this mobile home manufacturing place and they bought one But they had to meet mortgage payments. Just like you know you would do on a house and so my The Guy who was there at the at the place he basically told my grandparents. Okay every month you bring your your payment to me and I will send it in to the And so they decide to do that. And so what you say is bring your money order because my grandfather always would go to post office and You get his paycheck. Get a cash. Go to the post office. Get a money order. My grandma would take the money order to the The Guy and he said well I'll feel it out for you so I can put all the information on it right and they did it for months and then they started getting letters that said you know Harrison. We haven't receive your payments allied and he took the my grandma and I would take a ladder to the guy and said I'll call them right now and find out what's going on. There's something wrong with their computer systems. Or whatever when on for a few more months then finally. It was a knock on the door. It was a sheriff in an. He's said Mr Miss Hairs. I'm to tell you but The bank is foreclosed on your home. And you're going to have you have until this time to move out. And they were devastated. Grandfather never really cried much had never saw. He's one of those you lose. All southern men just tough Grizzle Digest. It never cried and but that was one of the first times I saw my grandfather cry Because he would. He always believed in being diligent with his bills because his his father always told me to do that. We will. You always pay your bills and So we were. We were stuck on sleeping on couches and spare beds of friends and You know aunts cousins for a few months until my My grandma and you know as luck would have it. My grandfather also lost his job that the guy who ran the construction company rain for got ill and so they had to lay off all the folks on the companies and my grandfather also lost his job right around the same time and so finally we found this little place. Six forty four Green Street in Orangeburg. it was an a not a duplex triplex. Or something like that. And we had this one. Little two bedroom on the in and In my launch video. There's a picture of me walking in front of it. I mean it was didn't having the air conditioning Those little small cramp thing and But that's where we live for an all number of
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Why Billy Porter says he cant be a politician
"I'm Jonathan Kaye. Part and this is Cape Up. Billy Porter has a Tony for Kinky a grammy for kinky booths an emmy for his role as prey tail in the television. Show pose even. If you didn't know any of that you probably heard about that. Black Velvet Tuxedo Gown quarter war to the Oscars in twenty nine thousand nine hundred. It was an instant station and made the popular actor and singer in instant cultural icon. We talked all about that moment and how once he was true to himself. His career really took off and we talk politics. Quarter loves to talk about politics and explained during a conversation about the groner virus why he could never be a politician. Talk in October here at all right now. Billy Porter thank you so much for coming on the PODCAST. Thanks for having me. Okay so we gotta get the big news out of the way I and that is the Matt Galle. You and vogue teamed up to do a called. Hashtag met Gal Challenge. It was people going on instagram. To recreate the fashions that have come through the red carpet. Where did this idea come from? Was it. Yours was Anna winters? Well we started at me and my team started it with my own personal social media platform and audience. And you know with all the fabulous that I am and the stuff that people know me for. I don't think people realize how political I am and how serious I am. And so in this time I wanted to give my people something to distract them. A little bit While simultaneously not having to engage myself. Because I don't really feel very fashion oriented right now. I don't feel very silly right now. Like I'm having a hard time sort of mustering energy to just be goofy and filthy. I WanNa push you on that. Because at the met gala last year was when you were brought in as I guess a Sun Goddess or Cleopatra and and it was at the Oscars in twenty nineteen when you showed up in a in a black Christian Serio Tuxedo gown and I saw the instagram post or the Social Media. It just blew up and it was such an iconic moment. Do you understand. Just how big that Oscar gown you was. Yeah I understand on paper. I understand in theory. It's a really heady experience you know because I just found a space over the fifty years of my life to kind of just stand in my truth and get zero fs to anybody or anything and really just be authentic and so much to do. That wasn't about going by world much leads to do that was. That's just what to do. And you know there are conversations that need to be had in this world and when one has a platform as I have been able to build and create especially over the last couple of years I do understand the power and the impact that something like that could have. I didn't realize how big it could be I mean it literally speak of it as like B. O. A. O. In terms of my life before Oscar after Oscar like my life is completely different. And that's why I was pushing you on this idea you. You're saying you didn't feel like being silly. And yet before Oscar after Oscar is a great way to put it because when you strode across the red carpet in that Black Velvet Tuxedo gown. It was a thunder clap for a whole lot of communities. You told our friend or mutual. Good friend Tamarin on her show you said you spend a lot of your life quote unquote in the masculinity game. Talk about that what are you what did you mean by that when you said well you know from the moment. I could comprehend thoughts. My masculinity was in question and in our culture and our society masculinity as at the top of the food chain and if you're not masculine enough you're dismissed. I was sent to a psychologist when I was five years old in kindergarten after every Wednesday at school to talk to somebody because my family thought I was too much of it so from the minute I could literally comprehend thought the messaging I received was. There's something wrong with you. And it's based on how you behave and that needs to be fixed so I live my whole life in that. And then you know. Get into business and it's amplified one hundred times more You know and I spent the first half of my life and my career in that masculinity game trying to be masculine enough so that I can eat so that I could get a job so I could get paid so I can eat. There came a time in my late thirties. Early Forties late thirties. I would say mid to late thirty where I just got sick And I- extracted myself from that part of the toxicity of what it can mean and leaned in to all the things that I was told would be my liability all of the things that I lived as a liability. They weren't wrong. They the people were not wrong. You know I took every hit that I could take not being masculine enough. I took them all it then. I decided that I didn't
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Dying of whiteness during the coronavirus pandemic
"I'm Jonathan Kaye part. Welcome to Cape Up. Jonathan Metzler back sooner than I expected because of the Corona virus pandemic in his book dying of Whiteness. How the politics of racial resentment is killing. America's heartland Nestle the director of Vanderbilt University Center for medicine. Health and society put a human face on the opposition to many policies that would save lives and livelihood a warning of the lengths to which the white working class voters could either have underlying racism or be manipulated to vote in support of wealthy donors corporations but against their own life stance. And it's just been on steroids since this pandemic started. Listen to mental. Explain why those anti stay at home protests in state capitals Egged on by the president that historical pattern and why the politics racial resentment is a deflection. That works right now. Jonathan Metzel. Thank you very much for coming back to the PODCAST. It's great to be back. I you were just on the podcast a couple of months ago and I try not to go back to Previous guests sooner than say six months but the situation that we're in right now with the with covert nineteen sort of demanded that you come back. We had on Reverend William Barber talking about the racial disparities that we've now been forced to reckon with with the corona virus. And you sent me a message. Reminding me that everything that you wrote about in Europe antastic book dying of Whiteness is playing out in this corona virus and the covert nineteen pandemic. Talk about that well. The book I wrote Diana Whiteness was was really. I mean I who knew at the time but what I was talking about in. That book was about the ways in which there were kind of undercurrents of white racial resentment that shaped Attitudes among politicians and certain white voters particularly in mid in America. That am caused them to what you would think. Vote against their own biological self interests and so the story. I told him that book was a story. About how for example and working class and lower income white voters rejected the affordable. Care Act. Which would have helped them a lot because they thought that immigrants and minorities were gaming the system and I looked at The rise of guns as symbols of kind of white self protection. And you know that was. That was a a book that I thought was kind of how to beginning a middle and an end it was kind of a warning of the lengths to which when white working class voters could either have underlying racism or be manipulated to vote in support of wealthy donors in corporations but against their own life stance. And it's just been on steroids since this pandemic started. I mean everything from in you know. It seems like the best possible for many red states would be to expand Medicaid if people health and transferred this moment of dire need and you would think people would be rallying to get Medicaid. It would help them. Not just medically would help them. Financially not incur bankruptcies pay less for medications but instead trump has been actively actively not expanding Medicaid and and people have been supporting him and the same thing with guns are the the gun story as is eight hundred percent rise in gun sales in some states in in in conjunction with this idea And and so kind of across the board this idea and and of course brought to bear most recently by these protests are across across many red states where people are literally out there saying and we we want to support trump even if it costs us in our family members and our communities days and months and years of our lives and and the racial currents are just. I mean just absolutely unavoidable. Okay so let's let's start with the with those protests because as I watched the video coming from Lansing Michigan and other places and people is openly. Define what we all knew when they were protesting to be true that the corona virus is spread. If you are not socially distancing if you're not wearing a mask if you're shaking hands if you have any kind of physical contact and these votes were acting in total defiance of everything of everything we know up the is it. Are they being irrational in what they're doing or are they being rational in that support for Donald Trump and resentment of and racial resentment are enough for them to ignore science? Well I think there are a couple of things that are important to keep in mind about this process. I just always make clear when I talk about them. That those protests are not all all white Americans. They're not all trump supporters. That's a kind of vote very vocal very threatening fringe group. That has gotten a lot of validation from from trump and a lot of funding from the Devos family and other places and so in a way. Because we're all stuck at home. It's hard to see that there are a lot of people in red states who are terrified of what those protests represent Democrats and Republicans and so first of all. I think it's unfortunate just given the way we're all many of us at at home right now and it looks like that's every Republican out there and that's not the case that being said I try to avoid saying that anything is irrational You know I think would my research. I came to realize that there are there are deep and ideology said that makes sense to people and I think this idea of government. Overreach this idea that Social PROGRAMS ARE GONNA benefit immigrants and minorities and and at the expense of of white people. do these ideas are very very ingrained and I think that also when you when you combine that with a moment of real despair this I this moment of you know not just a more the risk of mortality but also this fear of you know real real economic trauma that people back on their deepest their deepest fears. We've seen that you know the rise of Nazi Germany on down that people when they're who've been there the most desperate it's not like they become the most centrist They they become the most terrified. And so it. At a moment like this people fall back on extreme ideologies. It's not like everybody's GonNa come to the middle and I think trump has been very artful at manipulating those anxieties and shifting blame race. That I think are very dangerous but it's not I. It's not irrational. If it's based in a particular reading of reality and and also Lib reality for a lot of people you know one of the big stories to come out of out of the corona virus coverage is the the health disparities disparities in impact that overwhelmingly the victims of Corona virus have been Americans and other people of color particularly African Americans. What role do you think that plays in the mindset of people who might be looking in saying you know that's affecting them and so therefore I don't need to be concerned about this? Well I think certainly that's been framing an edge of course true right in other words. Many of the people who died in this early phase are emigrants of members of minority groups. People who have to either have to go to work In in conditions are live in areas. Where there's a lot of density I certainly think that that led to a feeling of kind of white and bits ability especially in the people. I've been interviewing people in this idea that oh no. This won't be because this is kind of black and Brown problem. I certainly think fueled part of the feeling of invincibility surrounding mess But it'll be interesting to see. I mean I think there are two caveats that narrative of I is that I guarantee you. A lot of these deaths in rural white America are being under reported. Just because there's not great data gathering and so I do think there's a lot of despair in in rural areas that we're not hearing about and and I think the other point is because of these protests and particularly when these red states start opening up if if they do which seems insane. We're GONNA see a lot of of working class white very sick and dying and so it'll be interesting to see what happens to that narrative when it really starts to hit home for people
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
An insight into Kamala Harris, a potential VP for Biden
"I am Jonathan Kaye. Part AND WELCOME TO CAPE UP. Long before people started swooning over Congressman. Val demings of Florida as a possible vice president. Joe Biden folks. We're talking about senator. Kamla Harris California back in January twenty nineteen few weeks before Harris announced her own since disbanded presidential campaign. I sat with her in front of a live audience at George Washington University for the kickoff tour. For her the truth we hold because Harris's book is a memoir. Our conversation was heavy on stories about parents upbringing and her career. There's no better way to get to know this possible vice president than listening right now. Senator Harris thank you very much for for being here for choosing Washington to be the kickoff of your book tour and or actually to be correct books tour and as we see the truths we hold an American journey and then also superheroes are everywhere. I'm going to focus on the truths we hold k. And I'm going to focus on something that happens before even page one and I want to clear it up. Okay for anyone who might have done this or still doing this. Despite hearing it said correctly the first time pronounce your name Carmela so just think of like the punctuation Mark Comma and that Adalah and there you got and so then what does communism mean then. So it's a very traditional classic Indian name and it derives from Sanskrit and it's it means the lotus flower and so it's very prevalent and a lot of Asian cultures and the idea the symbolism. Is that the Lotus flowers sits on water but it never really gets wet. The water beats off of it and so the idea being that one can be in the midst of chaos or be in the midst of something happening and and be there and should be there and it doesn't necessarily need to penetrate you but one should be there and equally important Its roots are in the mud meaning. It is grounded and and one must always know where they come from and can still be this thing now. I need you to pronounce another name for me for the life of me. I just I couldn't do it. And that is the name of your mother Shammala. So the why is silent Shama Sharmila what was really Shamlan? Go Gopala tell us about your mom. Caller Mommy Mommy. We always called her. Mommy I am not embarrassed to say she is mommy and She is in many ways. The reason I wrote the book my sister my is here My Mother's one of her best friends from college is here. Lenore POMERANZ I write about in the book and my mother was a force of nature. A drill force of nature. She is someone who all five feet of her. If you met her after you walked away you would have thought she was seven Tom. My mother was a truth teller. She spoke the truth. She was probably the smartest toughest and most loving person I've ever known. She raised her daughters with a belief that we could do and be anything. She taught us that. Don't let people tell you who you are and you tell them who you are. She was a scientist. Breast cancer researcher should goals in her life to end breast cancer and raise her two daughters and she would take us to the lab with her at go after school on the weekends and being around scientists one of the things that I realize now early in my life I learned was that one should see what can be unburdened by what has been because that is science is about. It's the pursuit of those things that will improve the condition of life. That will solve problems. That will make things better. And that's why I'm naturally attracted to also anything that is about innovation understanding that innovation. We do it not because we're bored with things the way they've been but because we should always be in pursuit of being more efficient more effective more relevant and and that's what she is and was your father. Donald Harris also an immigrant born born in Jamaica. Yeah an economics professor at Stanford. And let's David. Mind comes from some BRAINIAC parents. Your mom got her. He H D. The year you were born does put that out there so now your dad comes to the United States from Jamaica. Yeah my father was equally brilliant. And is he was a national scholar and Jamaica. He earned his way and up in out and came to the United States into Berkeley to study economics and My parents met when they were active in the civil rights movement. And it's an interesting story because as you know my mother graduated college when she was nineteen and did and so she so she said to my grandfather who was one of the freedom fighters in India for India's independence and my mother was the eldest of four children. She was the oldest at at a girl obviously and she said to my grandparents. She wanted to study science and she wanted to go to what was considered to be one of the best schools and that was UC Berkeley and my grandparents looked at her and said okay. We will put you on a plane and you can go to a place. You've never been at nineteen years old. This was in nineteen fifty nine. So this young this girl. This young woman got on a plane encouraged by her parents to go and pursue her dream now. The back story is also that it was fully expected she would get that degree and go back and have a good arranged marriage but of course my mother having been raised and being who she was just naturally she when she got to Berkeley was immediately attracted to the civil rights movement. Why do you defend? That's where she met. My father was and but I want to say she met my father and decided to have a love marriage and a marriage based on love which I believe is the ultimate act of optimism. The the question that I interrupted. You're you're Satan with. Why do you think she was so attracted to the civil rights movement she was raised growing up? Would go back to India like every other year and And so I know the family from that that that raised her because they helped raise us and it was always about fighting for independence was about finding justice. It was about fighting to make sure that all people had a say in their future in their government an equal say and that was that was in her blood and of course that's what the civil rights movement was about and the free speech movement and and there are some funny stories. I was just sharing with something backstage. You know so I witness I right about in the book you know from my strollers. I view and there's a a funny family story about how some mothers marching with the extended family. I talk about like aunt Mary and Uncle Freddie and the book and she would tell the story about. How DO THEY MARTIN? And this is back when strollers didn't really have armrest seatbelts. Martin Away and you know shouting and and all of that and then I think Mongol Freddie a look down in the stroller which was empty followed up. My mother tells funny story like one day. She was fussing and and you know so much cuter when she would tell the story but she'd say so then she would look down at me and come on. What do you want? What do you want and I look back up in a said fleet on so glad that story. I wanted to hear you safe. We how I wanted to talk about your your father economics professor Stanford they meet atmospherically. Had you and my And you love going to the park and your mom would correct me. If I'm wrong would put limits on you in terms of how far you go. Whatever and your dad would say to you. Run RUN COM run. That's right he would say. Do not be afraid. Let her go let her go. Let her run. You run as fast as you. Can you run as far as you want and I believe that his whole purpose was to say. Do not be afraid and be
Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart
Jonathan Metzl on how white identity permeates policymaking outside of Washington
"I am Jonathan Kaye. Part and welcome to Cape Up Healthcare in Tennessee guns in Missouri tax tax cuts in Kansas professor. Jonathan Metal at Vanderbilt University focuses on those three areas in his book dying of Whiteness. How the politics six of racial resentment is killing? America's heartland using compelling data and focus groups metal shows how white people are willing to die rather than be connected a two or finance policies. They believe are giving resources to people bayview as undeserving find out more about this important book right now. Jonathan Mental. Thank you very much for being on the PODCAST. Hey It's great to be here. Okay I've been raving about your book for months now and it is really an important book. The name of the book is dying of Whiteness. How the politics of racial resentment is killing? America's heartland it land. And you start off the book by telling the story of Trevor Talk About Trevor sure will basically the the the impetus for the book came from a series of focus groups that Some colleagues of mine and I were doing in kind of rural Tennessee. Where we were talking to medically ill poor White and black Americans about the affordable care act and we just found some very dramatic stories which I recount in the book but I think probably one of the most powerful stories was is one of a man named Trevor who called Trevor in in the book. who was suffering from liver failure and a bunch of other chronic conditions. And he really would have benefited from this was in the year. Twenty eleven at the time. What the what? The affordable care act potentially was offering which was increased access to physicians financial help. Because he was under you know in the facing medical bankruptcy and this was in a focus group and I basically asked You know what you're feeling about the affordable care act. And he told me I realized that I realized that something like the affordable care act might be beneficial for me but I have to tell you. There's no way I'm supporting or signing up for a program that is he put it. Benefits benefits Mexicans and Welfare Queens. That was a quote I heard a lot and basically the the idea was that even if this program might benefit me. I'm not going to support a program. Graham that might also benefit by his estimation kind of undeserving immigrants minorities and the reason that was important was because again. It was a refrain that I heard quite right often that I'm you know we don't we don't want to be part of a program that might not just benefit us but other people and in this case you know. Here's a guy who's he's on. Death's doorstep literally literally on death's doorstep and so part of the jumping off point of the book is how powerful is this idea about kind of what it means to be white in America and this idea that basically weekly to be to be white means to have to block the advance of other groups and in in a way that the call of whiteness because of stories like this where people literally literally traded their lives at rather than sign up for social programs support programs that they felt like might go to benefit other people who were undeserving to the pointed ended the focus groups when you were talking to either all white groups are all black groups who had a colleague who you worked with an African American man who he taught out to all black groups and you talk to the all white groups for obvious reasons but talk about that will we just wanted people to feel comfortable. Obviously Racist Racist Right Marker powerful marker in the south where we're doing are doing our research and so we really wanted to get people's honest opinions About I mean. Obviously I'm a race scholar. So is my colleague Derek Derrick Griffith and so part of the issue as we just we wanted to get the real stuff the real the real responses and so I think part of part of the issue was that but also you know because races such important dividing line in places like Tennessee where we were doing the research we really wanted to see. We really wanted to compare. We asked every Group the same questions and the focus groups were pretty interesting about the first fifteen or twenty minutes of the groups. Were just general questions you know. How do you define health? What do you do to to to to maintain your health and it's interesting that Race really wasn't a factor in those early questions so everybody would joke around and say stuff like you know. I try to keep my weight down around but then I walked by. McDonald's mcrib is on sale for ninety nine cents and everybody would kind of laugh and everybody you know I would. We would all laugh. I mean I personally loved the mcrib awesome. Now go on. I mean I did said Skip Vida But anyway you know so for the first twenty minutes or so when we would ask general questions about health there really were no race race dividers right. And we're also socioeconomic class but we can talk about that later but then about twenty minutes into each group we would ask this question and so who benefits from healthcare reform and. It's important to note that we were doing these interviews in two thousand eleven two thousand twelve. This was a time when Tennessee was really debating. I'm should they should. We expand Medicaid should we create To basically except the affordable care act rejected. That was something very much on people's minds and what we found was when we asked this question who who benefits from healthcare reform the almost to a person the African American men would say things like everybody. Does you know we are society benefit. If more people are insured. Sure not just black people. That's what they would say But really everybody and so this idea that we get from the African American focus groups was was. You know. It's kind of the attitude you want people to have if you're going to create a national healthcare system which is if we get the most people in the system. It benefits the most people when we would ask the groups of particularly lower income white Americans against we got a a range of opinions but one that seemed to dominate was. As I mentioned this idea that basically I don't want to be part of a system where the benefits that could be going to me are going to as they put it undeserving. Immigrants Minorities which tapped into a lot of these things about you know building a wall and keeping people Out and so really. I think that the profound racial difference we found in these groups was really that one group really had a very a very broad idea about Menendez's Monette work at risk. All the things you would want people to have when you're creating health insurance and for for the White Americans we spoke to an you know. Of course I'm a white American myself myself In these groups people people would basically it was the sense of kind of limited resources and privileges are being taken away from me and and and that was important both because it it spoke to an ideology which was just countered to the idea of creating a national health care system it was important because it tapped into historical tensions ends about other times to democratize health. Care you know Johnson and Truman administrations. you know desegregation things like that but it was also important because the ideology the of blocking the affordable care act was one that we didn't just here in the groups that was how the entire state voted. We elected politicians who decided not to expand Medicaid not to create competitive insurance marketplaces. And so in a way that ideology we felt a from a political standpoint was was quite dominant in terms of how the state ultimately voted and decided what to do Well on that larger point of you know the the white focus groups looking at the idea the of their resources going to quote unquote undeserving. People but you also make a point of in here. It's on page one. Seven where you're talking about. President trump and his hammering away at the at the affordable care act that obamacare and you're right trump essentially asked lower income white people to choose less coverage and more suffering over a system that linked them to Mexicans Welfare Queens and to healthier longer lives and it was that that were that verb linked them. The idea of being connected to these people was a was a bridge too far right. I mean it's it was one of the more powerful points and something I couldn't advantage before doing these focus groups but basically the idea I mean think about it. If you're an you know I'm I'm not. I hope people see this. I'm not trying to totally really slam. All the people I interviewed. I feel like there were remarkable stories of bravery just about what it means to stay alive in a part of the country where there's no social safety net. But but I will say that at this idea came came up again and again. which was this kind of particular form of white identity as what I'm holding onto? It's kind of keeping me alive. But what if I smoke three packs of cigarettes a day and I as people that tell me I I live a healthy diet. Things like that and I'm in a network where my good health is dependent on a healthy African American person or Latino person who maybe jogs every day and doesn't smoke you know in a way there's a sense of dependence ends up being in a in a broader social network where my actions are related to other people's actions who it frightens me to be dependent on and so there was. There's all this underlying tension about about what it meant to be in really in a a a healthcare system is a web people are connected and and you're dependent on a certain certain number of people being healthy one got if one person cost ten dollars for just a checkup and one person cost ten thousand dollars because they need a kidney transplant. Supplant it balances out right so in a way your actions are connected to the actions of other people and I think that that anxiety there's an underlying anxiety about what does it mean to be dependent dependent on people who who At least my formulation of Whiteness tells me I'm superior to
Midday on WNYC
Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrests climb nearly 40% in New York City
"Welcome to mid day on wnyc i'm jonathan kaye part the overall number of new yorkers getting arrested and jailed is at an historic low but the number arrested by immigration and customs enforcement also known as is that's on the rise ice arrests in new york city increased by nearly forty percent from two thousand sixteen to twenty seventeen today brenna talk to talk about the ice detention facilities where these restes go and wet this is like for undocumented immigrants and their families with us in the studio is attorney jessica of the nyu immigrant rights clinic and janus ho sane of the new sanctuary coalition of new york city we're also joined by sylvia ryerson journalist who's making audio postcards for family members to send to their loved ones in detention via the radio just get john silvia welcome to mid day thanks thank you for having us so just we'll actually we should note we believe that ice detainees new jersey are tuning in to this show right now we'll be playing clips of audio postcards that their families made for them so we'll we'll get to that in a little bit jessica let me start with you approximately how many people are in is detention facilities in in the new york city metro area right now so i think the numbers are a bit unclear where folks are actually detained who hail from the new york city region at bergen hudson and essex facilities which are in new jersey and then orange county jail which is in gauche in new york there are about eleven hundred folks detained in the new jersey generally but the numbers are unclear and what we do know is that there as you mentioned are many more folks being arrested in two thousand seventeen so i think the number from two thousand seventeen is about two thousand nine hundred seventy six folks and the two thousand sixteen number was about seventeen hundred sixty two and the other thing that i just note is that one reason folks are detained is because there is.