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Nerd On! The Podcast

00:59 min | 1 year ago

Nerd On! The Podcast - The Trailer

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My Neighbor Totoro with Jonathan Frakes

Nerd On! The Podcast

1:14:03 hr | 1 year ago

My Neighbor Totoro with Jonathan Frakes

"Breakthrough here I've Seen Jonathan frakes the dad and action so very nerd on. What's up? Everyone welcome to on the podcast. You didn't need but deserve where all levels of nerd are welcome whether you came from the city or the forest. Whether you're lost in the woods or waiting for the bus the spirit will reveal himself when he wants to. Today we discussed the iconic character the decorates all of Jimmy Studios with my neighbour. Totoro get sick with the copyright so fast. We're not alice unless you're saying I'm killing it. Harder awesome sound like Leah's along all day I can't do the thing but Thank you just ready. One two three deleted. Everything can impose thank you. Yeah we're talking Totoro and we got some surprises in this episode but first and foremost introduced the host Ceylan. Oh yeah the hosts. I'm one of them. I'm Ceylan Him. Tom And I'm going to order. We discussed before. No One's remembering it. I think and then Tom off and now Josh. What's next well I well? 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Love it without it. We would It would be hard pressed and Odyssey headphones Wonderful wonderful things They sound so amazing Especially with the Human Voice. I dig it Human voice the human voice But yeah and Odyssey and apogee both of them they both companies are just really cool people so I am always omen to supporting really cool people so But yeah we're really people josh thank you. You're really cool. People Cory what I say about lying said. Don't get set go to headline more. No so corey hasn't lied. You lied to her. Turn to a positive. But yeah that's it that is keeping show. Kisha was into it about totem. Yes we we are. Also everyone if you're brand new to the show. This is the spoiler free territory. If you're brand new turned on Guests at GRUMP is completely foreign. Thing to you but if you're familiar we're doing something completely different. We did have a guest on the show. And Joshua introduce that at the end of it will still announce who was the guest and all that stuff but This is after that moment so so we already have knowledge of who the graph episode. But you get that the nation so Do we have that? We're going to mention that right now. So if you become a part of the nation you get to participate in polls on who you think the grump of the episode will be who's GonNa read it the lowest out of the group. It's a fun way for us to turn our negative into a positive and and with that the nation believes by an overwhelming fifty percent by the way that Tom is going to be the grump of the week. Only interesting song by men only interested. It's interesting I was. I think I'm trying to think back to What did we watch before? This spirited of spirit away I I remember me not liking it or I thought. I was the grumpy Madison. You were yeah. Well you're me and you have the second most votes. It's starting to come around a little bit of thing. I've been watching things. That are more enjoyable. I kinda don't get it because to me on my. It's IT'S ANIME IS. Japanese is something that always. It's going to be Ali so that's my mind track. But that so yeah. So everyone is at home is encouraged to play along. But if you're part of the nomination quite said you are featured anyway so that brings us to our next segment. Which is going to be a complete spoiler of it Which will also Kinda forgo because we talked about it there but we can meander a little bit into it if we wanted to. Yeah I mean I can talk about this film until this year my. It's my wife's favorite and after her. It was very important that I saw the version she grew up with. This is the Fox version. Because she wasn't a fan of the redouble so we waited and waited and waited and waited trying to find trying to find it. I looked up. Dvd's that are like one hundred and twenty dollars something. Some on that word. Tom came through this Christmas. Got Us a copy of it and so we finally washed. It washed it. You watched it because gotta be safe. Yeah and it was so I mean I can immediately see why this character and this film especially it has become such a large part of people's lives. It really has even as a thirty one year old watching this. For the first time I was glued to the screen. My emotions were all over the place. Getting to see these wonderful characters that I had seen from afar. Get to come to life Totoro and cat bus and and all that kind of stuff and knowing never knowing what the nuance of the story was and I think I have a different appreciation having watched it as an adult and knowing the story with the Kid. I don't think I would have understood what was wrong with the mom and stuff like that so. I really really dug this phone. It's definitely probably my one of my favorite films. Now if he can on that second second place I think it is second place. I think it's around that from you too. I mean you only have to always I've seen so. Yeah that's my initial reaction and then I did get to watch both versions leading up to this and I'll that a little later allocating For me saying this was the first time I had seen. It was In preparation for this episode and I really enjoyed it. I had no expectations same as tom like I kind of had the observations of its culture is Corey. Sorry looks different now even more so slip at the time Freudian. We're not the same person. Could you dive into psychologists Freudian episode us? The there's the characters really interesting Really interesting and it's fascinating to watch their journeys and it's really hard to find. We'll get more really hard to find a character. That's not enjoyable watcher. Her onscreen doesn't contribute to the to the to the story in into the world so it was it was it was a joy. The music is great It you know it's got a little bit of that a little bit of that older school charm to it then really enjoyed Being sort of like my generation of enemy as I was sort of going up so back then but As we'll see soon that was the case for everybody. Some people raise your. You'll raise your kids right feeling So I saw the Fox double longtime ago I've been a little anime lovey lady for a long time and Totara was one of those films that just hit every mark for me. it. I'm very about greenery and forest. I grew up in the woods in southern Indiana. So the idea of like forest spirits in going off on a branch Yeah No I. I grew up on seven acres that was primarily forest so my sister and I would go off in like make forts in the middle of nowhere and find you know those tunnels in the brush so this was just like nostalgia central for me and it's Super Nostalgia Central Now So that was just like a breath of fresh air to watch way back when and bits. Bits stales holds true for now Nice Yeah this is the for this film specifically. It was the first time that I I had seen it to prepare for this episode. And it's always been on. The periphery of Being involved in pop culture and being fan like it's it's always there it's always present and if you've seen had on other Studio Ghibli films and just never had seen this one. And I've seen the character of Totoro on different things and I just didn't get the reference and now I got to see it and I- I washed it through and I. It was a joy to watch first time through and I enjoyed it so much that I just started watching again. Like right after It was just and I enjoyed it just as much like sometimes when you watch something multiple times even in a row it's it can be I don't know maybe there's this is meant to be viewed It's not how that's no Able to enjoy even through. That is pretty amazing. Yeah so it. It says a lot about it. I think I just really enjoyed my first Watched through and second watch through and very excited to be doing it as a topic for our episode tongue. Yeah Tahoe Corey for the for this episode. It's Tom Toro. Thank you and Toro. Yeah to me. I feel like I'd be like the little white one. No teeth anyways So I can you believe it can't believe it or not. I used to be a real real big fan of Disney and Disneyland. They actually sell Jubilee Team Jubilee by the way Jubilee Josh is pretty with as I've noticed yeah can fine is totally fine It doesn't really. I mean yeah. It's a certain proper pronunciation just POPs up African win this name in Italian that is used in Japan to you. Is it Mario or Mareo who say guideline we'll bring it up in the next Joint Council Jeff of gift and I also say Georgia instead of Gorgon Studio Ghibli. Yeah exactly brain to hear my mouth to say as long necked animals those graphs all those. I Love Them. Well said it wrong But no yeah so you Disneyland actually used to sell bonds of stuff and I was always very fascinated and I was mainly looking for my Keys delivery service. Because that's my favorite and I kept just seeing toter Mann but thorough as I never watched that shit so I was like. Let me watch this right so I watched the first one ever watched was the Disney up and It was it was the Blu Ray version and this is later in college and I somehow always avoided it and Then I finally watched it and then cool now I get it? It's in my pocket. Now it's onto the next Jimmy fill and then preparing for this. I was like let me do a let me do a ride. Let me watch that original. Og Dub and let me. Let me try to watch the Japanese subs with English subtitles. And Never got to that one. I was like all right. I'll just get the the Fox. Last streamlined version in the Disney version and So I'll minus reaction is I I really love this film. I think it's Like I will always say this belt. Miyazaki is on. This is fantasy storytelling for children. Done right Staying with a lot of staying power And I think When you look back it's something that we're like you don't have to have A retelling of it to feel like you're telling the story that you probably should have told And also has very timeless five to it right And that I think that's a that's a really big thing and I think that's something that Islam is. I lost upon Hamazaki in the fact that like he makes films. He has collaborators but in the end of the they're the films that he wants to tell ends not by committee Because I will say like it's true autour work and it's true I to me. I mean I don't WanNa make a comparison but it's like imaginative. Tolkien was like I'm GonNa make cartoon fantasies of my experiences of what war was and put into a positive place where coal talking was like. I can tell this. Epic story with same Staying power same epoch in icon iconography on just in a different way and land. I think that that's that's that's really powerful. I think there's something about totoro being like the sophomore or like the the earlier works of Miyazaki Giglio's Leo's like this was also the the the litmus test between the state of like what are we going to be. Are we going to be the people that do we want the third Catholic Eleo Stroh? We'd BE NASCAR The valley the win or we're going to be Firefight Orbi like Totoro and at the end of the day. Total rose the one that came up on top and so I think that was a really cool I guess moment A time for them so they really came to maturity for it so tons ministers. They WANNA tell Also now that kind of Explains what we're going to get into how we're GONNA talk about the episode because it doesn't reveal what grumpy all that stuff is Will go into our next few segments. Which is going to be our a brief summary and then which is more of a synopsis and then our production against Dylan's and wheeler free territory based free is acclaimed anime detail by Director Hayami Ezaki. Follow School goal. Saga and her younger sister. May as they settle into an old country house with their father and wait for their mother to recover from an illness in an area hospital. As a sisters explore their home they encounter and befriend playful spirits in the house and and the nearby forest most noticeably most notably the massive cuddly creature known as Totoro and so now and then we go into our production. So a little bit of that Just a little snow at top on there like Primarily three versions of where you can watch this so for the cast. I'm only going to talk about who plays why in the Japanese and then in the Fox streamlined version an INDIE DISNEY DUB but. I'm not going to list of what they've done before because we'd go on for four hours so This film is distributed by Toho Where I think if you're familiar with Japanese films you know Franchises such as Godzilla. All those films go through Toho. All the POK MON films. All D- realize twenty films go through Tokyo and then the recently we did Yvonne so those films go through Toho to The director is best known for Kiki's delivery service and then Nosko valley the winds in seared away producers told Hotta Kiki's delivery service And produced a grave of the fireflies with that. Every single person has started cooking and then also produce castle in the sky. The writer is high. Amuse ocoee who wrote this. Se I had the has now Poker Roseau Wind rises in house moving castle the cast so who plays Satsuki Casa. Kobe for the Japanese is not toe. He DECA And then the streamline version is Lisa Michelson and then the Disney version is Dakota fanning. That's how it's GonNa play and the May is a Kobe is Chika. Sakamoto in the streamlined. Version is Cheryl Chase and then Elle fanning dot. A sister of Dakota fanning plays of and then Tatsu Okabe Father Is in the Japanese She auto eat toy In in the Fox version. Is Greg Snag off and in in the Disney version? Is Tim Daly which I got a quick shout out a superman baby. That's Superman of course The mother Yasuko across the bay is play. Sumi Shimamoto Moto In in the Fox version is Alexandra Kenworthy and then in the Disney is Leah's lounge And totoro it's play by Hitoshi Takagi And in the Fox version there is no If you look on the Internet some people say Rob Paulsen which is a really big name buyer for the most part it's not listed and the Disney Dub. It's Frank Welker. Granny is played by tiny tiny. Keita by Ashi and the Fox version. It's Natalie core and in addition the Disney debits Pat Carroll and this film originally was released April Sixteenth nineteen eighty eight. The runtime is eighty six minutes. There is not a listed budget again. If you look up multiple websites. They'll have very conflicting information. The only thing that is certain is the gross. It grossed four point of forty five point one million worldwide and the rotten tomatoes score from critics and audience actually do Mattress is ninety. Four percent agree. We agree on what I don't agree with that but that's it that's all the production baby thou that brings us to the next part. Which Josh will happily inform us about. Yeah so as you think so josh. Yes as you can delays. We love delays. No so the next part of the show is something very different than we have ever done before. And it's very special as well Gosh Josh Different. Yeah what about seventy episodes ago? Almost we had our friend. Jonathan frakes on the show and he mentioned in passing. I'll come something to the effect of I will come back and we can talk totoro and this little idea. I'm going to send an email. I sent an email and he said let's do it. So the next part of our show how we always usually run it is we are going to be joined by Jonathan frakes and so we cut to that And enjoy and then we'll come back away Jewish off the show but yeah here. We go Jonathan area so much for joining us. This is so exciting. Pleasure by totoro played a huge part in bringing up kids. Yeah tells about it which stood there. That's that's where I would start. One of the producers on Star Trek was named Peter Lawrence and he recommended. It was a big animation fan and as I think Jimbo is about to at Elisa was just big board so three one they were really really little Turned me onto by. They were Coco. Which in many ways a first of all they had was beautiful. I wasn't naive is on. You might sake as a genius right telling is a little bit like spongebob into just plenty of stuff for the kids. But deeper stuff adults away get away saying airy subtle well-placed and and it has a real tragic element there. A certain on. We did that. The kids don't get they probably get it subliminally but but the spectacular visuals my favorite which absorbed you. Everyone has their own is win. The bus turns into a cat. Ask advice with a little lower. They like rats like tasio fantastic. Yeah I used to look forward to that section show you have kids you wash it over and over and over there I was. I was really glad that they got Oakland. This early. Do you remember which version that you saw. Disney did today arena The in the in the nineties but they were only slash streamline edition Nice. You guys are really dirt's question. The Disney version has Dakota fanning and L. Fanning as the as the leads the Rita. They lot the rights expired and so Disney did a new version with fascination. Same Innovation. Yeah they just did a new DAB of it yeah and also Pat Carroll plays granny. Who's best from Ursula so lying and in Tim Daly who then Superman I always just like as the dad and I was like the two me. There's a lot of cool things with the new DUB but Speaking of the the cat bus Do you know the lower behind that lake ago. I'd love to. It's apparently in Japanese lower myth and legend that when cats get to like so old they can shape shift. And that's what that is it turns into a bus and there's actually a sequel to it. That's never been shown in America only premiered several times in a museum and it's May and the cat bus and there's more than just a cap busters like a cat train. A cat submarine. There's a kitten bus the world of cat vehicles. What all you gotta go there. You've got to go to Japan. Hockey's museum that I think that'd be a treat for you. That's awesome absolutely so Jonathan's favor part. Is the cat bus. What about everybody else? I love go. I was I was going to say the The pine trees growing the when they go out and they do kind of like the dancing and the tree just keeps keeps on growing. It was so cool and then their celebration. Even after they learned that it wasn't real like still they like sprung up out of the ground and they were like yeah. It's still a success gusting ever. Did you watch the Fox or the Disney version? It was the Disney version. I honestly I didn't know until after I watched it and was doing all my research. I was like what I missed out. So it's funny because in the Disney version Says I didn't think I thought it was a dream. It may says but it wasn't a dream and in the Fox version. They say we did it. We did it. We did it. So it's it's a very interesting like oh like what were they trying to want to? Maybe address the dream. Yeah well it's interesting because like a high oh Miyazaki. When NOSCO THE VALUE OF THE WIND? I came to America. He was very upset with how the dubbing went because it cut sequences out. They changed dialogue. And so I'm breaking relationships with them and no matter what every movie that I have come out. They catch campaign chair. Here's all that and so like it's interesting but that change so what happened so I mean like interesting like what cat bus like that. I think the names like Nikko. Busu They changed that to say cat bus specifically instead of saying calling echo buster. So it's it's it's very interesting to see like what changed between two. I had the pleasure and privilege and time because we have all the time now to watch both versions though. Yeah for me. It's the Bus Stop seeing the the raindrops for me. It's it's a really beautiful change from this. Really almost depressing. Melancholy feel to Totoro showing up in changing the entire viewpoint of the kids from being sad in the reigning waiting for their data and making it a a fun thing there at the bus. And it's taking it takes a long time for even like their data commenting seven minutes in. Looks like it's getting worse and worse and more more and more terrifying and he's just there it. Yeah like to correspond. Yeah it definitely kind of hearkens back to the reality of like one day. They will not have their parents. And what did they do? When those kind of scary and Maybe Darker Times happen And it's like the embracing of Toronto really helps them get through it. Yeah and it plays for for the entire narrative especially okay. Well have a real quick question. I believe in the Fox version. It's sukey right. And then in the Disney version Taller Satsuki. Okay 'cause I like closer to the real pronunciation right. Yeah so in my mind I keep trying to be like okay which yeah. Yeah there's a character in Naruto that's named sauce gay and it's spelt Satsuki if you will get it but so to me. I've always been like those us and the ease every once in a while. Sometimes you gotta like our house trying to make sure I wasn't hearing things. Satsuki is the correct. Yeah no that makes sense I was. I just wasn't sure which one had had had witch but it's it's you know being able to make sure that you can take these moments and change them into something more powerful as something that sets has to learn by the by the end of the film but but losing her sister and the the gravity of all that comes to pass and then finding our and being able to get to their mom by the end of it is just. It's a really beautiful You know day to day but coming of age age story Kalem I. I don't have a favorite like seen per se. I know every maybe no I I am the type of person who likes the like on the back of the neck typist is. We have established for me. It's a lot of the smaller moments of like. May when she shows up at Satsuki school and she's like really upset and they're like they try and talk to her but she's like a four year old so she just has this like static face like nothing can deter me from by mission right now and like. I don't know the the little emotions that are put in their those. I think are my favorite part just parts in general of of just how anchor at those tiny moments really are too. Yeah well. He's like he's very good pulling from from his own real experiences. I mean you're eating that. His mom suffered from tuberculosis And that's where the moms illness came from this. And just being able to Kinda therapeutically talk about the things that he's been through in such a relatable way is one of his greatest strength. I mean you're talking about a movie that comes from a completely different culture and yet it's still hitting us in in the way he intended. Because it's about you know human relations rather than cultural changes. Let's go ahead. He's also said that like if he didn't grew up because the landscape this movie is inspired from his actually based on where he grew up So he said if he didn't grow up where he grew up. This film never would have been made. So it's it's I think to me. It's more of a love letter to his childhood a little bit. I mean transplanted at the beginning of the movie. Doesn't aren't they moving into the yeah? Yeah very from the city that they end up having to go to the hospital. Yeah Yeah to be closer to the mom that happened very very autobiographical on his point. And I mean like if is all takes place before in. Nineteen fifty eight Japan because he really wanted to include like no. Tv's technology. And I think to that point like you are being transplanted. And so like that's the thing about period pieces right and you can always kind of just like it's that one step easier to just be part of fantasy and I think that's a really beautiful thing that he does. Miyazaki was like he's so his ability to transport you to another time. Another place I think plays into his craft of like creating a fantasy gonNA compared to Disney. It's like it's it's a little bit more subtle it's so much more nuance it's a is also relatable. Because it's like it's pretty much based in reality it's based in reality and then their and then the the manifestation of these like all right cool in those parts of the fantasy ham happen. Yeah I I just love the my. My favorite scene is probably going to be that the tree growing in the middle of the night Just because it was it was just so fun to launch and and just love them like playing the acorn instruments on the top while like the data by the music and was enjoying it. Or whatever like that just was really cool magical seen and it was just like kind of breathtaking to watch that like Tree just format nothing. You know like okay. That's growing now. It was an interesting experience washing. Because I've I've heard. And of course seen like Totoro the character is such a mascot for Studio Ghibli and it's everywhere and I didn't. I didn't get the references I was like. That's a really cute character. That's neat now that I get to see it. It was an interesting experience. It's it's like those when you get to see something that you've I'm GONNA say missed out on like I just never never watched it up until this point and once I saw it I was like. Yeah I missed out. This is a really good movie this much. You all watch it. Prior to this day we we definitely have so many. Wash it young. I watched the Disney version like a while ago. But I didn't watch until like I was in college because I've watched like all the other music films except that one I had somehow avoided that one. Spin it for this spirit away. Magno Castle on the Sky Housman Castle but then like for this was like let me watch the like the first American. You know Broadcast version of it. And I watch that when I was like okay now. I can have a premise of life. Where you know lake to your point Jonathan Roles like your children have watched it and it was just like oh for sure so like now. I know what they experienced is what I experienced planning as it has as we're talking about it guy literally haven't seen it in maybe fifteen years and as you mentioned these things they they come flowing back bring the and something just came to me that. I remember vividly. I guess it was on the way to the House that they were moving into us. They didn't know anything about and they drove by but must have been rice Told us a story that we're leaving the city we're going to going to the country and it's it's going to be much quieter much. Calmer at what would they traveling traveling? trucks wheels definite unlike. The girls were hiding in in the back of the truck with all the stuff. 'cause music a moment where she's like. Oh no I thought that was a policeman. It's a mailman. The wave of overlying tragedy spelt there was were they moving there because they wanted poster the mom because the mom and they want to get closer to the mom and as somehow you do that without being told that. I I remember I mean it the music and just kind of the way. It's portrayed visually Kinda give you this field that something. It's not like super exciting now moving. It's not for some reason joyful. Exactly the kids are finding the joy in it but it's not that untold nature of like okay. Well we'll something must have happened to cause them to want to move from the city so in the house move into this broken down kind of like romanticize dilapidated house so you get that vibe right away before. Finding out that anything's wrong with your kids. I remember that I had been to Japan for a lot of the animation. I'm sure it's recognizable to Japanese people as a house that they would have seen a rundown place up the country or camp campus. Somebody's played by the late. That but had been had been writing the whole flop house but it had it had such a distinctively Japanese by to it that it was. Yeah it was interesting it away with a bad on yes exactly and the separation of the rooms that have slept shit was uninsured it was mundane to solve but to me as in America is married Yeah and the design the design. Yeah a lot with your with your daughter. Do you remember those details? If I if I may ask Jonathan do you know how do you remember a recall how you came across Totoro or even Miyazaki as as a director or this? This guy mentioned earlier either Laura yes. Edeka post production on the show recommended it. Okay at the moment I tried it. I felt like it was a gift to me. Could share it with my kids at a game of a real family favorite for I. I think that's why I responded to it. When I was a couple years ago. We DID LAST YEAR. Barreda though like I'll come back up you brought it up. I was like it was like such a left field. Frakes likes total is like at the end of the episode. You're like oh come back. If we talk about my neighbour. Totoro on the obvious comparison cute. Something must've triggered insured or something like that. Yeah the must've sugar. I didn't go back for okay. Mount well this. This is a movement with a dad with two daughters like. Are there any anything that you felt there? As far as like did you put yourself in the shoes of the dad sense because the data I think is my like. We'll talk about it soon but I think my dad has one favorite parts of And just how positive he stayed through the entirety. Unlike witting courage his daughters to sort of like back always have like he would encourage their imagination and courage. There like positive them like give them. Yeah didn't want to give them any can negative or harsh truths because they're sort of dealing with one right now so to speak so I think that was the biggest part for me is it is like coming back to back to the this is. I'll share this with you go. This is yes. I do believe I was influenced by and related to it yesterday. I've been saying. Yes to everything that I intrigued during this time and is today I had said. Yes to participate in a podcast about the art of father would know how our speaks the exact question you just ask as you described the dad assorted to remember him. I started remember how cool he was at the end. Really encouraged serve education. Yeah at a didn't envy never brought the drama of the sick white of the city when he got the phone call he said. Hey God inserted snippets moves by Nerd on. We got you miss the bus. We don't know what Casey's dealing with in the city in Africa back we all the daughter even when may is missing and no. You're still a calmness to the situation like they can't find her anywhere but there's still this like he's every almost because he has to be strong for his wife to even moving into that Shithole to beginning of the movie. It's okay with my food remedies effortlessly. We always comes to the part. Where they're they're all in the bath and they're all scared because of like the wind and then he like he starts. Laughing is the only way to get rid of something scary. Laugh at it and That's I think kind of almost like the thesis of of film where it's like. There's there's underlying darkness that two carriers are going to have to deal with them embracing like The the joy of everything is what helps in through an and said like the the importance of the little moments in like like. I think that the dad truly embraces life in a sense that the there's there's always a silver lining to be found. There's always some sort of joy to be found humor to be found. Even the tiny moments of yeah just for example of that two of win may they can't find may the first time where she's like goes off to see. Todo. You're finding out in the woods when the dad comes. He comes through the whole after Satsuki. He comes with maize hat on. He could have just been carrying it but I think that was a personality trait to be like. I'm going to be silly in. Wear your hat. We'll see you'll laugh to build off that when mays telling him about Totoro and she says you don't believe me and he goes no. I believe you're telling the whole truth and I think what you've met as the spirit of the forest and he's just kind of like you know nurturing their creativity in their growth because it's what they need in that comes later on because he says like he's himself when he's ready yeah and my favorite part is actually was thinking about a lot and I was like. It's probably when he thinks the tree because he's like this tree is is what kind of gave me idea to come here. And he could of feel like it's high on the voice of like you know places. And His. You know very environmentalists on teaming of of his films Really comes through. Because it's you're thinking the land your your your understanding that we as people could only control so much but we must always think the ground that we came up in and I thought that was just a very heart warming in and I think for children. It's super important and it's something that you don't see lot and just done in such a way. The tree doesn't have to have a face and we have to have this song and dance thing going on. It's just you're talking about like Zelda and other things too but I was like it doesn't have to personalize everything like and that could just be like you. Just thank the tree because the tree gave you this memory and to John is like it's like a gift to you and like you don't realize what the gifts are until like maybe a little bit older and the ceiling. Okay I wish to thank this thing and it's like that's the great thing I thought about. The film was It has a lot of good life lessons for children. I think they'll they'll come in subliminally. I think you're absolutely right. And one of them is the acceptance of the power of spirits at the end. The presence of spirits remind for some reason. It's completely disconnected to the tree. But I remember vividly. It was raining when they're waiting for the bus correct right. Yeah and they missed. The bus or bus didn't arrive on the didn't arrive on the first bus but on the bus were there. Was there a sketchy character? On the bus there is a guy they didn't give a face who might have seemed yes. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So he like comes off and they were like their dad that guy just leaves and then they're just kind of like they're doing solves for awhile feeling that kids get like. I don't know this happened to me a couple of hundred where you hold. Someone's hand thinking it's your mom or your dad. Look like Oh my God. That's that that scene just always reminds me of that feeling ever remember any of their faces. I just know it was. The wrong person won't just like had to get out of that moment. Well it also shows the small I. I don't mean this from a judgmental place but like the small bigness of a child's world of like they're on their parents their yeah their point of view and so anybody outside of that is just kind of like a a an amorphous thing. It's why the adults and peanuts are just want want want one not in my circle. The that I bus the one that got me the most was the the attendant who is like. Are you getting honor getting off? And then they're like right by like oh like that's hit. That hit me so much more because I used to take the public transit a lot to go to school patients for kids man and I was just like I need help. And then they're like where are you going? I'm like I don't know that's a moment. And then Tokyo shows up and begins jumping and on the the trees and it becomes this really beautiful joyous moment that they no longer have to be afraid of these books. These movies cost a fortune. Is Movies now. Yeah Not Showing. Any type of the does any type of animation is going to be very expensive. It's expensive Relative to the work I would say they're not one hundred eighty million dollar budget films but they are like couple million like in the single digit millions within the world of animation. His are and without also. I mean what's crazy significantly as expensive as other animation? That he just happened to have better for interesting are more. I think he our way. More lower budget compare also spends he is like painstakingly minute. He rendered the writer story board as well like there's involved in every step of the process. There's there's a lot of good youtube videos that show him in the process in like to your point of like in the beginning you kind of know already that there's some underlying like a not happy not joyous feeling because he's very deliberate and when he draws by standards and people like they should be happy the sun is out or they should be very calm because the wind is blowing And so he's very deliberate. Why does ever at a funeral like? That's how he he discussed with the other animators so he's very big on like we have to make sure that this scene exude happiness and like the critical pieces are very big or the set piece of very small competitive. Like what they're saying so Yeah it's it's like I would say if he's if there's not tour out there that's the one. Yeah he's the one what's kind of fascinating about this is the Colt Classic notion. Like this was. This was a failure at first feature. And it's crazy how big it has become now like it's I'm wondering on it. Yeah Yeah it's like connick and in its logo. That's how I kinda get is and it's it's fascinating to me that when it first came out it just. It was not received. Women's such as many many of my favorite greatest films of all time are not understood at first or you haven't received because my favorite movie. Yeah right yeah you get it? Yeah it's sometimes it takes time to think about and then a week later Yo. Oh my God. That was brilliant. I didn't know and so that's the tough thing. We're like a lot of people look at success at box office or critical review actual stay ability and I. Staying power is entirely. You know way more than we do staying powers which gives you immortal alike. Keeps you coming back? He keeps you alive and like like having people from different generations like you know were at a younger audience. We're talking about the same thing and we're being able to connect about the same thing right. Is He have an international following. Yes very much completely. Yeah he yeah there. I think there's actually a park in Japan the Jubilee Park where they've rebuilt the house from this movie Japan but I made worldwide. Look Yeah right but I mean they built it as a tourist attraction because just to come in. Yeah Yeah Yeah Does he actually had plans to make a Totoro theme ride? That's very much like the Alice in Wonderland ride where you go through the movie rides. Yeah I think they Jimmy shot it down because the producer was like well we have plans for a world ran so full hour but even here in La. Tom And I went to the comic con. La In one of the coolest cost as I saw was literally probably nine foot full costume tow drug with with moving eyes and ears and everything in gorgeous in twenty seventeen Sadam events. Did this tour. And they did a year of Jelly films and they would do a special world's two nights they would show one phil and they went through the entire gamut of like all the films and so a lot of people went to the intellectual that was probably their first time being able to watch it in a theater. Know Alive the Scott. Dvd ON VHS for the first time so yeah sorry. Do you guys think that will ever be back in the movie theaters. They will ever be back comic on. I think so. It'd be a baseball game. I I think it will just be different than we think. Like how to bring it up where it's like nine. Eleven happened. And then everyone's like are we ever. GonNa go back on planes. Will we ever feel safe again? You'll just be different and like this. Staying effect of what nine eleven did was adults over the or anyone over the age of thirteen? Have to take off their shoes. And that was the big change and so like how we change. It'll be like maybe just wear gloves in a grocery store it also change how we react to. I remember I was living in New York during swine flu thing. And just seeing how you know lazy-faire people were about it and hearing it hearing it and I was one of the folks who I'm a bit of a Germaphobe Lock myself and then I think moving forward. It's definitely going to be a big response to just edge on the side of caution with these things But I think on a long enough time line yeah. We're going to get back to to the days. I mean what was it? Mad Cow Right. I have a friend who was born in Germany and he is ineligible to donate his blood or do any type of thing donation wise because he was born in Germany during that time not even like he was who is go baby so I was like you know obviously but so so those things might just change documents might change driving's doing doing okay for a couple of DR driving any surge. I do really do drive. Ins are great because they do have those double features and that's a great place where you can watch them like or here's a new movie than also. Here's this like cult. Classic film that like Mu Magazine. The control your temperature where. I grew up the drive in did three movies. And you have a whole day ahead of me breakfast lunch and dinner right there. Yeah favorite characters favorite character and I do want to bring up something that all he brought up with the dad of his name in the original Japanese means masculine. And I think euro so it's very interesting to see like how the characterization plays into that because to the children that's what they're figures and to that point. That character is highly based off. I think His his dad his dad his own. And if you think about it again that autour baby this that's the guy that's the `aeronautics guy that's the guy who likes planes because in every one of his films is always shown that loves planes and you eligible for it is I mean. It's the Dad Dad's my favorite character. I just stay saying his his embracing of life like he's just I mean I love the fund that the the girls get into and the the granny's superfund because she plays into it as well. But the dad just I mean you gotta understand. I mean obviously I can't understand it but he his wife. His best friend is sick and he's raising these two daughters and he still able to embrace life and embrace their imagination and stay positive and even with her in the hospital. All he's trying to do is make her laugh and and that takes strength. I think that takes a lot of strength to be able to be positive and negative. So I'm right there with the judge. That's definitely my favorite character. I couldn't agree to. Yeah if I had to pick one of the girls makes me laugh the most The DAD is such a anchor through this whole story and he shows up exactly when he needs to to kind of guide them a little further and Almost like a spirit of his own kind of get guiding them to what they need as well. I'm still really from Future foes observation about Maya. Why this movie so I? I suspect going through this that that it was asked for me to be that. Good father no yeah. I think that that I'm working with imagine a nickelodeon now a nickelodeon all is aspirational. Elving want to do is create stuff. But the couple years go the characters in shock and and I think that subliminally subconsciously. Or in retrospect I aspired to be a father who had that cut sensitivity in. I've seen a great bar day. I've seen Jonathan frakes. The dad action so now. Let's talk about your childhood John. I've got some great advice from my father. Share them with you. Oh Never Order Martini. Chinese restaurant okay to know that was one of his first piece of advice that sound. That's very sad and when I was once over sharing about scores of pot upset my mother. My father looked at had said. Jonathan lied to her. You heard it here first. You heard it here. I can well the new series talk to the camera and Life Lessons John and Caitlyn or did you have different favorite characters. All these data for me. It's sad ski. Just because she she has a. I have an older sister. So and I feel like Satsuki is a lot like her. Where or vice versa should say where. She's got to like be the strong older sibling but sometimes the fact that she's still very young kind of cracks through because she yells at Mei but she does her like regret. It pretty much instantly house. Ron Breakdown Mike. Later right which I loved suggest showing that like both of these girls are very strong for for the age that they are dealing with a massive upheaval. They're moving they. They left other friends. They're already making new friends like they're making the best of it But they are still human and very little humans and for for them to be going through all of that and still like come out of it okay and positive was like I all about that. So I'll speak to that because I have an older sister and like when we moved was like going into high school or to junior high and she was like her in the middle of high school. So it's like a very you know. Emotional hormones are everywhere time. That's all saline. Yeah to that point where it's like. It is so like for someone like me watching it and watching kids moving to me when you're a kid and you're moving and leaving your friends. It was like probably the worst day of your life. It's so hard because You you you as a child you like. This is home and the idea of home kind of goes away but then with the film. Say like your idea of home as your people is your try and That's something that again like. I never grew up with that idea. and You know it's like watching this. This is a wonderful way so kids kind of figure that out and see that because at the end of the day like your family's which are really going to like be with you for you know as long as they can be Banning southern that my favorite here is actually granny mom because by introduces sits right so like I love. The idea of of the generation before the generation before us like having this connection to spirits and into this wisdom and knowledge But also like you know there's something kind of like easy to be said like they've they obviously know more than a child would know because they've been around longer and so like the point where she's consoling Satsuki. Why would your mother ever leave to beautiful girls like you Really hits me really hard and I. I just love that like. She teaches them. Like the the importance of you know gardening and then taking your your your own food. Wine them and then Eating the the four sequences and it was just like. Yeah if anyone eight these super healthy and like that again that positively in in a physical realm where I was like I. I really really adored. This character is with crispus cucumbers. I've ever seen him out. It's probably why it's always looks so food. An anime my wife up on this film and cucumbers are one of her favorite things in the world. Now that may be a connection there. Chris like put it in water for a bit to make your cold. That's like really smart for also washing off like any dirt and like that. So that's that's the way. Maybe that was what I did. There's a separate series Jonathan that we started doing called animated jour and we. It's like an anime themed afternoon. Tea Interview show up so I did a toto themed afternoon. Tea set and we had cucumber sandwiches specifically for that scene like the little seed pouch that he gives was like a mushroom burger. I understand all the references that repertoire. Back Josh. Same Sees Doing Josh Surely Shall we dare adventure into qualms? Yeah I mean. I'll be really quick. I don't I don't have a single Guam. There was thing that bothered me about this movie. I watched it multiple times like I was just like I missed out and so I was like I have to watch it again. This is so good it. I'll bring it up just so we kind of get a pal. It's a discussion piece right so the film didn't do well because even Higher Miyazaki saw this that there isn't quote unquote like in An antagonists or like evil for stakes like county rose journalists and so like he knew that like hey. This isn't going to perform that wall so we have to be willing to take the blow with it and so that's why it was paired up with grave of the fireflies when it. I got released appearing in a quote UNQUOTE. Box Office flopped. Say That's probably the biggest talking point where it's like if you're not really geared into watching something like this like it's definitely something that you have to watch through and then we want watch the second time you understand like the true purpose and meaning of the film because Yeah it is a little unlike other Hamasaki films were like. There's a little bit of like character. Wants this and is doing this to get to that. Here's going are placed here and we're GONNA see how they're through. It will have a negative or positive arc because of circumstances happening to them. I will us doing an episode on fruits basket. I think kind of prepped. Me In a sense to handle this kind of the slice aliveness slice of life storytelling type thing. Yeah have you Jonathan. Have you seen any other of the Miyazaki films? A spirited way. I remember spirited away. Was there any other like anime stuff? Like Japanese animation uses. This is a genre. I'm nodding knowingly but I'm I'm being educated. Let's talk about Pokomo. I'm glad to focus on phases over running for the Mike. I remember not mind remember. I was my kids part of teletubbies world. Oh Spongebob though. I was really grateful for Tokyo. I mean the nation of the art. Yeah you gotta see you kind of like a Michelin Star version of what those were Tiro. No yeah so to me. Yeah the only qualm discussion point to bring up to me. I think like if if anyone's watching and listening to this like if you're looking for some of the I want to hear the characters going through like not really willing to just kind of observe Then yeah that's your one qualm you'll have but like if you're a fan of the Miyazaki films and understanding where this plays and when you watch it like there's no qualms from here. Yeah it's definitely one of those things it's a little bit easier to go back and watch because of its significance against like pop culture and things like that. You're like okay. Well there's there's something here it's almost like a cheat sheet pop culture like cheating away like okay. Well let me go along that thing and you know maybe I'll stand the role of the things. We have to see as a as a pop culture nerd so to speak. I I mean I right like the thing is like if you're looking for something then like you may not find it and I think when you like to try them talking about it's like there's so much for everyone like whether it is the art of whether it's like the fun cute stuff in the bathrooms for the for the kids. The music is like super. Wonderful and Corey can attest to this when we when we were working in the warehouse like I was put on a playlist and be like. That's you'd always hear those same like notes from juveniles from yeah from Tyrrell's also that is like Super Fun. Like an that wasn't even story boarded sequence. Yeah I mean the music. This is another talking peace for me. It's just that that's like I mentioned before it gives you everything you need to know. If you were to take the dialogue out you would know exactly what that scene is trying to convey without without any of it and I mean that's the point of scoring but it doesn't always work out that way so to see it executed so so beautifully is is really really endearing very inspiring for sure as qualms go. I don't really have any I did have the opportunity to watch the Fox Tub and the Disney And my my only would be the casting in the Disney one. It just it doesn't for me Have that same children doing it all. It's control yea I I love the idea in. There's something in Miyazaki films that he gets right about kids And and if whoever's been in charge of cash stuff like spirited away where they have those moments where they are just kind of like loud because their kids. Yeah And I I didn't I didn't get that as much in the Disney film in it for me took away a little bit of the adventure of it. I guess or the innocence. The Disney one. I've only seen the Fox and so that's the funny thing just to talk about it like if you go talk to most twitter row to like it does have international appeal. Most people will just the the Fox version on the Disney version. Like they were able to both like a star studded cast like the MOM is voiced by Lisa. Longer and like. That's you know Milan in Jasmine and Like the DADS Tim Daly Melissa like I like I I really prefer I prefer. I really liked the included. Like these voice actors that I knew from the for the adults but I mean that's I think the the grain of salt with the children. It's like in the Fox version. The people who played the children were adults so they had more control over like when to High Pitch. Scream went to not high pitch. Scream where like The founding sisters like their kids so it's like yeah. I mean emotional the emotional weight. That's what that's what I was looking for. You lose some of the emotional weight that I think that I think there's Times where casting children as beautiful and it's wonderful and it really conveys something but this I don't think was one of them for me. Personally I I grew up on the Fox dub so I had a little. I've been watching the Disney deb just to like know both sides of the coin there And you know I think nostalgia wins over for the Fox stub for me. But I don't even they're even. It's not a qualm like I don't have a call for these things because it's just like this is my mole on the neck kill him. That's totally fair then. I feel like watching. This movie is like being outside on that perfect Sunday. That has a breeze like it's it's as Jonas. Jonathan was saying like when you think about this movie it flows back to you. It doesn't hit you smack in the face like Oh yeah that thing existed. It's like Oh yeah. I think it's because the reason. I don't really have any qualms because like the movie. It's hard to find part movie. You're not enjoying that's not game like is important to the movie in some way or isn't as fun and well done you know even if it doesn't serve the public as well done and it's fun to watch So so to me it. It didn't really have any qualms like that as far as that would take away from like the story telling you like that. I mean yeah. I didn't even see the dust. Once I guess I was spared from some of that but the yeah just really enjoyed. It's hard to. It's hard to especially after the cat bus. It was like this is going to be really hard to find something that I don't like about the fighting also like you don't even see Totoro until thirty minutes into the film so it's yes it to me. Also get into the Ma of the film when Ma we talked about in our spirit away episode where like there is a stillness a pause in Miyazaki films as well as Japanese animated films. Where like you know like in American cinema like we had to go like nothing ever feels like they need to breathe. If you watch like Japanese animated films it feel so slow in comparison But then there is that sense of like. This is a waltz. This isn't this isn't another. I met I accurate so invested in sister's kind of discovering what's important to them like every little thing is fascinating billfish fish little chapels little like a quantity found Enforcement is sprite sets. You know since presses writes coming into that of course is going to be like sensory overload for that so I mean I think it was fun to kind of go in that event that opening sort of journey with them discovering their new place. And like you know seeing e learning a lot about the sisters as is like their relationship to each other their relationship to like their father and things like that so the the movie has a lot to offer you before it even hits this titular character It up so he's just see Jonathan just like show no one last thing I would say. Yeah a few definitely meet this film where it's at instead of trying to meet you like you'll get more out of it. Yeah yeah definitely. Shall we go into rating Schorr so Jonathan? Since you're not normally with us for this part we'll explain it So we'll rate the film zero out of five five being the highest and whatever lower numbers the lowest and then Yes so you know. We're eating it. Went on a five point. Five five point five or four point five or four point nine five whatever But Do you do you WanNa do you WANNA go. I WANNA GO I. I asked to bigger so I'm a full five and we and we love that. You're here might be quick five. There's not a single thing I would change about this movie. It was. It was a wonder as somebody who is getting more and more into anime. And kind of the art form. A sense This is a five. It's great I love it. Yeah easily if five for me and yeah I mean a real discussion about Kailua was crying about to have on the show for a long time and then a my Miyazaki films so for me His Not Kiki I was GONNA say comparatively to other thing like I like subjectively. It's a one score objectively. It's neither score so objectively. It's a it's a five subjectively. It's a different score. What's the what's this subjectively to four point eight point because I think because to me I think spirit away as well as like princess-mononoke. There's different masterly Wade films. And like you know this his third film so it was like he definitely learned some things from here but like this what. This doesn't say. This isn't a masterpiece. Four Point Eight Men Korea. They had written down the same thing like you said it objectively. It's five in comparison to the Sea of films. But within. Its own containment of Julie Films. I think you know spirited away is my top one and this is this is inching towards a four point. Nine is my second with Kiki's so it's like fast and furious subjectively. It's like a four point five unlikely kemalist. It's like a three. I'm like it's great. It's wonderful fine but I'm like you know abjectly whereas the mastercraft of how the films made so Ali what's yours baby Mine it's it's also it's really hard to find anything wrong with it and we're GONNA need it again. His journey your for you here. Phase the For me it's five. It's there's nothing can take away from it. It would be unfair for me to escort lower. Y now even though Have to watch. Go back and unfair. I can watch modern okay but I was like you know what even if that is still my favorite like it like. I can have to five point zero jubilee on so it's acceptable in this scenario and acceptable to have a five point for diplomat. Seattle is going to say it's going to be your will be hard-pressed anything anything lower than that. I was GONNA say John. Now that you know the kids are all grown UP PRINCE ON OKAY. Out Say is for adults. Yes our adult worth checking out as one of the first ones I saw. Oh always throws. He freezed picture though. I know it's like that should be zoom background. And he goes walking away but he doesn't like he doesn't want to interact anybody. He's like no. I'm listening smile and the face traded you back almost almost we. We see you okay. We got we got you back. Thanks for everything yes thank you. I can't wait to watch the movie again. Now you for joining us again. A wonderful you guys inspired. I really appreciate the Thank you so much for joining us. What's the next episode? You're bringing your bro. Come back come back for I just finished couple episodes of a brand new show called the astronauts which is a Li- little kids who mistakenly get sent into space. Oh I'm what's that. Oh Yeah I'll let you meant. Leverage is coming. Back as the reboot fun. We'll have to be back as I definitely want to ask you some stuff about card definitely want to ask you some other work so we'll have you back on again. It'll be fun. I love it. Thanks guys thanks. Thank you awesome. Well everybody I hope you enjoy that. We certainly did at it. Was It happened very quickly? We don't Usually with guests we get a lot more lead time but this just kind so I'm so glad I did That was such a fun conference conversation with Jonathan. But now I believe is the time for Corey to reveal the Patriots on guests or GRUMP IRS. Nerd on nation has voted and we didn't have one gram. We had to me and Tom. So that means yes. The people who. 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Jonathan Frakes Shoots to Thrill

The No Film School Podcast

40:34 min | 1 year ago

Jonathan Frakes Shoots to Thrill

"Everyone this is George Gentleman editor in chief at film school in the no film school podcast. Today we have an interview with a director who has directed television and feature films for twenty years. Wait let me think. Now more than twenty years This is a really interesting interview in filmmaker and the main reason is we talk a lot on film school about directing in filmmaking from technical standpoint and when I say technical cameras lighting Those sorts of things side of of the process. We don't spend a lot of time talking to filmmakers or talking or writing about directing actors which is a hugely important part directing in fact it might be the only thing director has complete input Control over obviously. They don't have complete control over it but the actors control over but it's your domain as filmmaker as a director to talk to the actors. There isn't someone else onset. Who's going to do that with you? Whereas when you're shooting with a camera you're going to have a camera department with light and you're GONNA have gaffer's electric's etc. This is a really big part of the process. And I'm just kind of cute teeing this up here because the filmmaker I spoke to Isn't actor originally. And he transitioned from acting to directing. Because an I'll let him explain it but he got tired of sitting around on set napping while they were shooting he wanted to be where the action was and that's directed but he's made a whole second career which he thinks is better than his career as an actor. Just out of that and I think we're that becomes interesting as look. There's a lot of people out there who are actors or who started in theater or who maybe have some acting experience and they're not sure how that can apply to them. As a filmmaker. There may be a lot of filmmakers. Who Need to figure out how to become better working with actors but this director really This is his area this is where he lives and look he's also just an amazing storyteller in a really funny guy a great guy and you may know him from the show that he started on and directed Star Trek. The next generation His name is Jonathan frakes he. You may also know him from some memes online. Because he's he's a mean unto himself and he lives up to the hype. Let me tell you. He's awesome and I'd haven't back on this podcast anytime he wants to come back. He's got stories and he's absorbed knowledge from many of the Great Actors Patrick Stewart for example but also from gene roddenberry created star Trek and the show runners on all these shows. He's worked on and the writers all these sci-fi series and he's just you know he's he's been a hall that and he's done some amazing work and Yeah I'll let him take it away. 'cause he's a he's a joy. I guess the first thing I just wanted to ask you and get a sort of incidences you what you have a unique path to directed from what I understand and I want to hear from you though you sort of you became interested in it. We'll tell me. When did you first become interested in because I actually don't know the answer to that question? I I had I direct a few little things in college and I thought it was a great gig but once I was fortunate enough to have been cast a television series as a regular it became clear you can only really take so many maps most of acting on TV or a movie. His waiting as a Robert Mitchum allegedly is given credit for saying I act for jury. They pay me to wait. That's a good one. I haven't heard that great line and anyway I I would So you wanted more naps. I'd had enough fucking NAP. So that's what I was nabbed out. I'm a bit of a control freak. I liked to have my hands on in it and I really enjoyed the process and I love being in the factory. I love to be on the floor and so they were tired of being waiting being in the trailer waiting for them to get you back into the action you wanted to be in the action. The I wanted to be in the act and I could tell 'cause I've been I've been. I think I was in my thirties. Got Casted on star. Trek's I had been I've been around says that I knew that this was the best. And then you could see that that the guy who is directing really has if he has a good team the best job in the world so approach Berman. Who is the keeper of all things Star Trek at the time? And he said well you're going to have to show. Everyone and I said well. Of course I'd be I'd be happy to and one thing led to another the directors were what What year so you directed a little bit in college? That was the question. GonNa ask because I was Kinda but nothing. I directed some some scenes. Acting scenes in little pieces will play where I went to Penn State. We had literally no film department in the Seventies. Were many films school's back at. I mean at that time there was the nyu USC UCLA sort of that whole world. That when you went to theater school they looked out the to get on film. You had to go over to the The Communications Department. So you were doing so you just theater but then you're acting you had a career you were on the show and then what season in the show did you say. I'm tired of the NAPS and I want to get in the action just walked up to Rick Berman. Who's the show runner? Ep OF STAR Trek. And said how do I start directing episodes? Yes how what how do I take the track and then it became clear that because I was at literally at Paramount University. The opportunity to learn was it was. It was fantastic. It was a dream I knew a little bit about staging obviously knew something about the acting and a- always fascinated by the cinematography. I I so what I didn't really know was the editing and Rick was generous enough to settling into the editing room but we had three editors on the show obviously at least two of them wanted to be directors as well. Everybody wants to be a director as I'm sure yes. There's a lot of jobs in the industry right. But that's the one like you said you aptly put it everybody's looking at that one whereas when it goes well on television the writer gets the credit deserve the credit. Certainly but if you're doing a movie and it goes well it's it's a Spielberg movie. You Know Yeah Yeah Gino's Yeah Right. Refer words which that part of the story later. I'll tell you how this went down I spent a lot of time. Rick Hobie Bob Sheer. And they're you know five or six directors that we had under show as as regulars and they were they were really helpful to me. And the editors were really really helpful to me and then. I started to go when I wasn't shooting Let me into Production beings in pre production meetings and visual effects meetings which have been very useful to be in the moving on prompt meetings. design with the production designer the costume designer concept meetings. All all the things that are now part of my life I was able to sit on the outskirts of an observe and then act because we did twenty six episodes a year at the Each episode we chewed for seven. Prep for seven. Shoot for seven and then headed for you. Generally got the directors. Get the cut for about four days and they would start about three days after we finished. Then once the director's cut his turned in becomes the producers Producer the writer of the episode. Have a chance to noodle with it. And then sometimes the network paramount studios was the network so rick was always the final judge then we move onto mount spotting music spotting and my favorite going to the scoring session because on Star Trek. We actually used a real orchestra and Dennis McCarthy and for every episode orchestra. I feel like I should know that but I didn't know that that's impressive. I feel like most show. What did it say most shows? That's not common thing right. That's a great records to this day. Is Seth Macfarlane on on the Orrville? He's a huge keeping real musicians. He's a huge original star trek in. Tng Fan as well right. So he's sort of consistent with the. Yeah so fast for life. I shadowed for like two years. This was in the first season of the first season all the second season and about midway through the third season I was blessed with A data show always was a plastic as brand as a genius. Yeah what was the first television? You directed called the offspring. It was written by Rene Sharia who was his SPEC script on to be the producer on deep space nine and then on castle and then charter wall. And he's been. He is his first show by academic with a SPEC script. You could still come with a SPEC script for the series itself exactly and they bought it and then you got a job on that. I think isn't that how also that was? Because of Michael Piller who is very very generous as a mentor to young writers. It sounds like mentor. Ship was a big part of that Set that that production because they gave route create an opportunity to build at after it was for the writers. I think frankly. Rick would have been just as happy if had gone away. Francis my wonderful wife who I remember specifically one day I was. I didn't have to shoot at. I was at her house and I said you know what? I don't think I'm going to go in today. She said that's exactly what Rick is hoping you'll do your regret the day you don't show up to shadow or whatever you get to do today will say he doesn't really shit so. I went and I continued to go and then fast forward through all the episodes I got to do when we were done and the movies came out first. Contact comes along. And now that Star Trek eight so Spielberg and sh- zemeckis are not gonNa Direct Star Trek Eight so and Sherry Lansing. God bless her who ran paramount. The time gave rigged the the power to hire. Who wanted so. I threw my hat in the ring and one of the people who had to approve. The director was Patrick. Stewart who I had a pretty good relationship with to this day you guys have worked together here and there. It's really been a blessing. I say all the time. I'm so grateful that I learned another craft that frankly I think I'm better at than I ever was as an actor and I certainly enjoy your pretty good as an actor. I don't know I'm not. I'm not trying to be falsely. No I was wondering because you stepped right back into the role. That what you're you're you're star Trek role onto card which you also directed recently it seemed to me and I even thought at the time. All the directing all the time in the action. Is You sat on? Set probably helped you stay in the mindset of how do you make a scene work from within or from like where does it require? That's what I meant to say about the editing. When after spending about three hundred hours with the editors I learned what the bare minimum. Because you get in trouble sometimes if you're twelve hours into the day and your got eight pages shooting you've only got a couple of hours to get a scene. You need to know how quick and dirty you can get what you need in case you. Don't get the time to go back in leads me. I have to ask you a question. You have a nickname. Apparent Warrior takes frakes. Is that does it? Come from all those hours in editing. You would think it did but the the real truth about to take traces this when I finally got to direct A movie I contact our producer line producer who is representing paramount was Mardi Ornstein and he was on the set with me and I would I done a take with Patrick and I. It was the first take. I've printed it and I said I looked the cameraman legitimately Eddie looked to Patrick said every day. Okay let's print. That was move on hedmark Frakes just a minute explains up until you when you work for a studio or this studio. You need to print to takes so the name implies that I work fast shoot takes on early need to take it. In fact her the lesson I learned while doing for his contact. There's a little inside no films. Bullshit that's feeling back the curtain. I mean this was probably an unthinking first contact in the first things you were shooting. This was a time when you would be checking the gate or do one for safety. You know shooting on film but the the idea of checking. The Gate is absurd. Because if you really gonNA check the game or at the if you're really concerned about doing one for Lloyd's or all that bullshit you need to check for MAG or you need to change now the days you did to change the digital card so so okay so let's go back to The teachers you put your name in the ring for contacts and first contact was And it's widely considered. It was a huge success at the time. It's one of the bigger successes of Star Trek films. And it's considered one of the best of the Star Trek films and it really takes star trek to a different place than it had been at that point. It's it's got a lot of action. It's dark it puts Patrick Stewart. Who's an incredible actors? People know in a really. I mean the movie does a lot and I think it demonstrated. This is perhaps where you were going earlier. But the The idea of the director gets to bask in the glory of that moment like that movie was is excellent and you did a great job in the movie. I think does a lot for the franchise to write and solicit have been a big experience. Can you tell me about how what it was like to jump into it? First of all with the stakes of that movie and have such a big success first of all as you know scripted. Brilliant there was Ron Moore and Brannon Braga in it was. It had everything it was action. Adventure had wonderful little sous-sol comedy. It was like a hard movie the guest cast was astounding with Alfred Woodard and Jamie Cromwell and Alice Cricket. It had it was really mind to fuck up. It was but you didn't and that's the important thing and I'm always ask. What was the difference between Megan? Tv Show make a movie and the only difference really is you. Have you have more time and you have more money so definitely to takes have to print tags exactly so you felt good about the material and you jump into shooting a feature film in. You're familiar with the cast in this team. Did you take a lot of your team from the show? It was the best. It was the best movie I ever made. It was the everything after it was also the first. Never get anything like the first one and it was. It was a dream I was home. I have to go on the road star. Trek is an extremely tricky thing. Because like I want to hear what you have to say about about working gene roddenberry too but the idea of making dramatic is trick and a lot of the writers have talked about it and I'm curious because you've directed so many iterations of it. There's so much pressure on someone. Coming into a franchise. We just interviewed a guy who's one of the show runners on this animated series Lower DECK'S THAT'S COMING SOON. With with the franchise it's hard to step into the franchise in and keep iterating especially when there's the pressure to kind of have this positive worldview right. I want to hear how you approach that and how you keep coming back to it. We're talking to Mike. Yes yes I was talking to Mike. Have you been involved with him on it at all? Maybe okay okay. That's exciting. I'm sure it was exciting for him. but yeah we were talking me. We were talking about this other show and we were talking about how hard it is to step into star Trek and do it right and you know he's a fan and you you're a part of the universe but writers have talked a lot about it. You had exposure roddenberry in the beginning. Is it difficult to kind of continued other franchises? Like you've worked in other franchises aside from just this one. But that's a big part of the of the landscape today creatively. What's it? What are the challenges? And how do you do it as a great question? I I find that Because I started on next Gen and I was sort of in the in the encampment of the Canon of show and the relationships for instance marina and who called. Yes in the beginning of next Gen. It was a story that Roy had been lovers on another ship and had worked together before. And yes. That's stories mysteriously disappeared from the writers because they wanted US conveniently to be available to. Have you know affairs alien was it? Was it like we which of what you had? Many was it in the Bible of the show. It was part of the pilot of the show and I thought that it was a significant part of our characters and they selectively. Let it go by the Wayside Marina. I made a very very conscious effort to maintain that relationship that we really were cut. We reluctant each other that we care about each other. We had an old deep relationship in spite of what we were doing. We always felt that because we kept that alive at informed how we dealt with each other informed how we dealt with others informed reacted in in scenes that we were together with with the company. We took great pride in holding onto that relationship. And are convinced that when it resurfaced as a story. Point in time missus that it was easy for an audience to accept that because we bake they did believe that we had not forgotten even though many of the writers conveniently at yet. No certainly. It's certainly been A. There's no question that that that that's true and comes across so you're saying that sort of like that being so close to what the core of it was in a way being a creative partner in it from that early stage has made it easier to carry that torch as you step into various versions right and I found going to work on discovery which first of all with became. I sort of new home show in terms of where I I did. I'm finished three this year but that cast in addition to reminding me so much of our cast was also very curious about what it meant because I kept trying to express to them when they were very curious about what it was going to be like to be part of this family and I assured them all their lives were about to change but also true was that the audience as they were very skeptical about back in the in the eighties. They they wanted Kirk spock and bones. They didn't want a balding. Lewis captain with a French name and they were reluctant and they were reticent somewhat sometimes hostile as fans can be. They were skeptical then fast. Forward and paramount for better for worse went to the well so often that we had next January voyager deep throat. Riyadh Enterprise. It were our and wisely. There was nothing. And then J. relaunched the franchise I thought spectacularly with a cast Zaka and. Yeah Pie and Karl. Urban they that cast worked people really liked that cast now discoveries cast and audience is again skeptical. We have a new star Trek. We have to learn about. We have to fall in love with. We want to embrace. We don't know what is going to be like. That's I think have discovery Addition to that the audience now has to pay to watch STAR TREK which they've been getting free for free for fifty fucking years. Yes that's that's but but at the same time I feel like audiences are starting to accept that. That's sort of the way a lot of the with all these various streaming services. I'm curious what that's like as a director does it. Does it factor into the work on your end at all like the decision making and the there's so many platforms? It seems like you know okay. You started directing when they were not very many channels said. We used to do twenty six a year. Now we do ten or third rights and I imagine the change of how many things come out you as director. It must be like you know. There was a time when you know three networks. Obviously start drink was after that but This is G was after the. There's so many places that content as we call it now lives that these things like discovery. It's like it always creates i. Guess what I'm getting at a space for it is creates a space for a niche. And this is a big niche. Because it's a huge franchise. But do you know what I mean? They were less reluctant now that they can get the card on the same channel. I at the time it was a it was the spin off of Was the CBS. All right right right right yes yes it was another. It helped to launch yet every show every one of these streaming services has kind of flagship right. Their flagship was meant to be discovery. Ryan Fuller was developing end. It became clear that they were not gonna be ready and Les Moonves said Yes. You are going to be ready. He said No. I'm going to be ready. And they weren't ready and they changed hands and it was very bumpy early road. But that's before my time and not not what Brianna not what we're here to talk about right but you've weather. I mean obviously you're familiar with the the hurry up and wait reality of working in this industry behind the camera on set and you're familiar with that process. You see things come and go and but yeah I mean. I'm curious when you step on set now for discovery or card or any of the shows. I know there's tons of shows not star Trek related that you've directed and movies. It's it's changed tremendously. Do you. Approach it the same way you always have. And how do you approach? I approach it way. Bob Justin who has Roddenbury's producer? Who from the original series was on our show in the beginning and he was a wonderful help to me he said always show up with a shot list which I always do to this day. Always have a plan. Don't be afraid to veer from the plan and that most of your work is done in. Prep which is all those outages are absolutely true and you could smell director. Who had just never plan. When he walks he could as well. Why don't we just get it on his feet? You know what would your birthday? You're here you're here. You're here less. You guys have a better fucking idea. Let's go you're I'm starting to wonder if having played you know after in the middle of of various high-stakes scenarios informed your ability to direct and stay in the midst of the action and have a commanding presence. Do you see connection observation. I'd never heard by the first perfect sense is one of the things after. I've always said about our characters. We wish we were as cool Clutch sort of honorable reliable. Clear thinking prepared honest. All the qualities. They both carded Reicher. Have if we had the we will be better met you know and you've make a really good point because I play. I'm not commander Reicher and I'm really not like commander like Reicher but I I I like him. You know that kind of goes back to what I was saying a little bit about roddenberry which I think some of those aspirational characters or stories things we want we strive to be more like or we hope we can. You know the world right now is in a sad place. It's an tortured place And stories about people who stay calm or leaders who can rely on. These are very comforting things at any twitter. Wish we had one now. Yes exactly it'd be nice so you know I mean we know in our world in the community of filmmaking. A set can be a very chaotic scary place. You Want WanNa know that the person running the show the director but also sometimes a First-day d you know Reicher was kind of like a first day d sometimes right you can kind of inspire lead but also show you show you where you WANNA. You know that you're in good hands and it sounds like with discovery. You did that a little bit. Did anybody have that? Sounds like Bob Justin did on? Tng Did the editors directors you were shadowing Saying no film school. It's best to get out there. In due to learn I mean it's called no film scope but if you're if you can be connected to process and learn that way and not just learned by being divorced from it in classroom setting so to speak. Who were the mentor is aside from the ones you mentioned. Were there other figures like that? In the beginning of three teachers at Penn State who all taught different styles. When was named Richard Edelman on was named Manuel? Do K. One was named Archie Smith and Archie Smith was for the actors studio in New York late famous Brando Actors Studio. Richard Edelman was from Stella Adler which is another school of acting and Manuel. Duquet was from the neighborhood playhouse. Which was a third. Those three guys had technique away. Broke down the importance of where the beets are playing an action verb. What are the intentions? What he won't commit. Where have you been before you got here where you're going all those simple acting questions? I used still has a director when I break down a script so I wanna make sure that the emotional the important emotional beat in this is we want. WanNa make sure you get up for that or does that work as a fifty fifty or does that Geneva connected to the person they're thinking about so when you're planning your shot list it's really based on on story to break it down from the inside yet. -actly and then that informs you know nowadays especially you know there's so much access to the tools so our readers in our community loves all the gear. The cameras lenses and am the editing software and you can do so much but approaching it from the perspective of what makes the story tick for a performer. Is something that I think. More people should consider. I couldn't agree more. You know whose name I did mention. Who was a huge influence on me? Who did probably more episodes? Anybody was a guy named cliff bole. Who was as he must have done? Hundreds of episodes of television and we had a guy a young guy named Rob Bowman who went on to do a lot of big. Ab showrunner on on Castle. He was wonderful and a great help. Do you feel like you're so you're having been an actor and learn to three schools of act of those three schools acting schools informing how you broke down a scene. And that's part of how you make a shot list. Is you start thinking about the scene from that standpoint Do you find that your director. Would you say that or do you or do you try to give equal focused on everything and starting their? I start there but I think I'm an actress drag because I speak actor and and I I know how I liked to be treated by a director and that's how I treat my actors. Also you find you have shorthand with. I mean my relationship with Patrick. I can be walking up to a middle say. Sometimes he'll say to me. I need to think faster right or some actors. A wonderful Noah Wyle who have been worked. I've worked a lot with. I walk over to emphasize that sucked right. I got I gotta go ahead. I got yeah I know I know what you need. Well you on Librarians right so you bill that when you get the opportunity to do multiple things with someone releases so there's no value. There's no relationship better than I have with. Cynic related to govern. Your number one is essential because it's really number one show and the cinematographer in the first day it's their set and then your guest as a director and then would be regular director on his show they either look forward to having you back dread having you back or they adjusted guys as an actor. You know what it's like to be on the dread side of some of those so you remember yet with directors are you talking about you. Go Away again. Another one of our little aback. Back to me. My voice where you are in a train the car anywhere that you are coming back to me. George Please George. Owed Joe. I'm here sorry you're talking about the shorthand handed you had on discovery and talking about being you know the the the guests on the set the director people dread or the ones people forward to. I wanted to ask about that when it comes to working on television. You mentioned that it's a writers medium and a lot of people say that people talk about it being we're in kind of a golden age of television right now there's great stuff but as as a director Do you try. Is it hard to melt yourself into what has come before and do your job and and do it well and not step you know if it was like a delicate thing like it's almost like a surgery right? Well I might responsibility. One's responsibility is to make the best version of that. Show that you can and I always use as an example doing castle versus during Falling Skies Castle. Rob Bowman who? I just mentioned you show up during prep. They say don't waste anybody's time with a multi. Stop moving master. We'll never use did and when we're in coverage you get three sizes you get a cowboy. Get a close up again. In extreme close up on both actors for every line they say cup to to Falling skies which is another world together again with Noah Wyle the marching orders from producing director in the writers is. It's meant to be shot. Like documentary war footage all hand-held runaround chase the actors around don't feel like you have to have every line on Cam- camera look at what you think is interesting. Try to go over and get a reaction to someone and come back to the person talking. Stay in a take as long as you can. So when you're watching a show you recognize generally the style of the show and discovery. We are encouraged to shoot to thrill so Olatunde and I have a very healthy competitive relationship. A you know creating waters I mean you always have to cover the waters obviously just for the interest of the no film school world. Specifics of what you're talking about going into each show are fascinating like I could ask you about an forever but like so. You're saying that with each one. They kind of have A. Here's the visual grammar. You gotta fit into young you if you WANNA get asked back you don't try to reinvent the fucking wheel you best wheel out of this that you can your marks right. You were some of that. You know hidden spit approach but I brought discovery up because we really they do give you all the toys and you are encouraged to make cinematic visual choices. You say shoot to thrill. Is that written down somewhere when you show up to this day like that from Robert Duncan McNeill. That's his approach. He's another so. Yeah that's another thing that we could talk about team could go on for awhile. But there's a lot of star trek like you set a certain. Now there's a lot of star trek actors who transitioned in into directing episodic. He's one of the Great. He's producer director. He works all the time Lavar. Great Director Roxana Dot Greg Director. And they enter you do they look to. You is sort of like the guy who the key who crossed over. The I opened the door certainly and do the show runners blame you. All these actors started asking them to well. You know everybody wants to and then some people do better than others. Some people mean Patrick doesn't really he didn't really enjoy it. Yes I feel like. I've I've read or heard that before. Yeah you guys have such a great tandem like it. Seems like you really bring something out. When you're directing him you get to learn a lot about different kinds of filmmaking even to this day because every show you're on they're like hey we want you to do it this way. What what can you advise for? People coming up is obviously a lot of ways you can go out and shoot things. But what's the best way to learn and get started like? What would you do today if you were in that? Same spot where you said. I WANNA get into that seat on set and not be taking naps in my trailer. Which a lot of people would love to do that too. Let's be honest. Well I've There is no better opportunity than when you're on a television show as an actor and Anthony Rapp has been shadowing me and I think he's GonNa turn into a really good director the guy who plays a head of engineering on Discovery Yep. I don't know much about Indie the indie world. But there certainly is what you would. You advise people which is to do. It is exactly one of the three men I mentioned earlier. Return Element Medicaid Archie. Smith Manuel. He's just saying no no. We're going to stay in class Richard. Rg both believed. Just say yes to anything you will. Somebody asks you to do a same Somebody asked you to be in spite. You say yes and I. I'm really a strong believer in that. Approach that the doing is is the best way to learn. Yeah also by you know. It's an old is the truth at any job. You learn from your mistakes and you have real comfortable enough unafraid enough. If your stat is is that way. You can't make mistakes sometimes. It mistakes are magic and sometimes they're not yes well but then those are the ones you learned from. Yeah I mean and you also I feel like you Kinda. Give an answer to this question before when you said shadowing and they wanted you to not show up where they were hoping you wouldn't show up so they could close the door on it but the shadowing the persistence to learn that way. Would you have to win? I mean there are programs now. It's a great time to be an old white guy has a program. Nbc has a program and they are. It's geared to address the incredible in inequality in the diversity of the DJ which is true of the wgn and ended. It needs to be rebalanced. It is beginning to be yes as a result it is know. Well you know what I'm saying. Yeah no absolutely I mean. That's that's part of the process and it's part of getting fresh perspectives. You know and finding ways but I mean the good news is people can grab stuff and start creating and put their ideas out there and they can get around other people who are doing that too. So there's a lot of opportunity but You know you've you've been doing this. You've been at it for while. And you've you've seen the industry really grown changing and you've obviously been around some Tremendous talents and craftspeople. So it's great to get your input and insight in and it's it's been fun. Thank you so much for taking the You're you're a good interview man. I I really enjoy. Oh thank you. That's a huge compliment. We may reach out again if you if you guys are interested because I feel you have a lot of insights about the actual craft and nobody likes to talk about myself more than me. Thank you again. Okay man so thanks for listening. That was obviously thrilling for me. I hope you enjoyed it Jonathan frakes is a true original. A one of a kind guy. 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"Bite is a new series here on Scifi talk and the sci-fi, talk, archive podcast and so parenting an apocalypse it's it's not the same way we would do. It's either full interviews or a comment or question from past interviews time wise. It's about one to four minutes long on an average. When you when you live long enough, all kinds of strange things happen. You're very right in saying that. The Greek heroes were the original superheroes. In part because of the nature of genes vision, but also because of its message of diversity and inclusion. Let's remember Andreas. Casula a Babylon five who was Jakhar on the series I never studied a method of acting where that becomes. A sort of you know I think in a lot of New York especially actor, studio. Sandy Meiser, my impression of the people I've known from that, is they? They they meld their personalized with the character, and these kinds of confusions can, but I'm from sort of the You know that's that and this is me. I never get confused and and that's why it's hard for me. Sometimes conventions when a fan dressed like ucar comes and starts talking to me like we're doing a scene because. That was you know that's gone? I wait a minute rather. This is not a studio here. Who Are you? You know so No, I don't have that problem. He also played admiral. Tom Lock on Star Trek the next generation. You even came back in the final episode. Yeah, it was it was fun, and I would certainly have been willing to do more, but that's all that ever. Came along all. They ever asked me to do so. I was even sort of flattered that they included him in the last episode that seemed like something special and I I had heard that Jonathan frakes and Patrick Stewart asked specifically to bring me back because they wanted some a strong last episode, and they thought I would be a good villain for that episode. Was it like when you had to play Admiral Tom Lock in the episode future and perfect where it was not really admiral, Tom Law but an alien boys projection of Admiral Tom Lock taken from the mind commander Reicher. I think I might have been tempted initially to try something you know to kind of. An recall his. No just play it. Just play it the way you always play it. And that'll work even better. You know because to try and give it away. It was the same thing sort of in the Rangers where the one character put on the Jakhar of suit, or what are the Hologram? What is it? And and and I had to play both parts I had played Jakhar when he's playing Jakarta and then going back to myself laying car, so they got a little crazy, but I kind of tried to do something in India, tasting him, and not make it a spot on Jakhar when I was doing it as him. Now, we're back to the confusion I am confused. What, about life after battle on five I took a pottery a you know like after the series the first year I waited I thought well. You know it's it's usual. After series of an actor doesn't get anything for a while while that, while got bigger and bigger, and I was sort of resentful in sort of restless for years saying what the Heck's next. What's? And everything had changed suddenly I was fifty two years old, and it was a young market everything on TV at the time was eighteen year olds, and if you were twenty five, you were too old and in Hollywood after be five, so I said the heck with it. You know I can't sit here. Waiting so busy starting to work with clay and doing pottery and painting, and I must say that it has so interested me that the last two. Two years I haven't really cared much. What happens as far as the continuation of the acting career it it something they come along or may not. It was nice. Rangers came along fine I was ready, but I was equally happy when it was over to go back to the pottery wheel so great actor in a tough loss Babylon five a classic TV, series, comments or questions or welcome at Sci Fi talk at AOL dot com for bite. This is Tony Takata.

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Trek Untold -Episode 50 | Jonathan Frakes

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Trek Untold -Episode 50 | Jonathan Frakes

"I'm jonathan drake's. I play commander right on star trek. The next generation captain reicher. If you happen to be watching card you're listening to track untold. Hello and welcome back to trick on told the star trek podcast. That goes beyond the stars. I'm your host matthew kaplowitz. This episode is a special one for me. Because this is the fiftieth episode of trek untold. And almost the one year anniversary of us what started as a pandemic project has become one of the fastest growing things i've ever made and also one of the most fulfilling. I knew i had to celebrate this special occasion with you by chatting with someone who was just a special and since this is after all almost the number one anniversary of this podcast. Why not speak to another number one. I am honored to say that. On this week's episode we are joined by the man. The myth the beard. Mr jonathan frakes freaks was commander william reicher for all seven seasons of star trek. The next generation and all four of the subsequent films along with brief appearances in voyager and enterprise. We'll reicher return to the series appearing in star trek card as well as lower deck's as captain reicher alongside his wife. Deanna troi on board the us titan aside from his prolific acting and voiceover career. Jonathan is also an accomplished director having directed twenty five episodes. Different tricks shows and two of the movies as well as episodes of the librarian. Ncis los angeles burn notice castle agents of shield roswell and many more and honestly i could list a ton more of his accolades but i had to fight the urge to fan boy over him as soon as our interview began. So i want to avoid that happening again. During the intro. I felt very privileged bill. Spend some time with mr frank from this episode. So i hope you enjoy this and hopefully learn a few things about him that you never knew before but before we jump into our interview. 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Let's beam up this week's guest computer access interview file hello and welcome back to trek untold joining me on the other side line. If you need introduction. I don't know why you're listening to this podcast at all. Because we've got mr thomson freaks here. Mr frank's how's it goin'. Jonathan please matthew downton so great to have you here. I was telling you start. This is incredibly surreal and try my best to keep myself the other. But i make no guarantees on that. We'll watch your least you're rocking the full. Reicher beard undoing. My best says this is an honor of you. Got imprinted and clean to beer was block. Let's go ahead and jump into some things here and own actually kick things off a little bit with an organization. You're working with right now. That's the pancreatic cancer action network so Actually tell us a little about why. This is such an important issue for you all. We're trying to raise money for the hand stride which is a A walk we do here in l. a. on may first my brother daniel acute one of the family died of pancreatic cancer when he was forty one and we took him to the hospital. They opened up. Said you've got about six months to live and Jeannie my wife was pregnant with our daughter lies at the time. So i went back and forth with daniel and then i came home three days for a baby was born into an he died right after that so it was very sad it. Obviously i we used to live together in new york and we were. We were brothers who were very very very sick. Aceves kitty swink. Who is a real leader at pan. Who has a seventeen year pancreatic cancer survivor. And dear friend. Since the seventies i share this story with her on somehow came up and then i told my mom when i used to go visit my mom that A friend of mine is a survivor. Because when daniel died there was about a three percent survival rate and when kitty was diagnosed four or five percent survival rate so and is now at ten percent survival rate so our objective among other things is to get the survival rate up fifty six whatever we can possibly get it so my connection is obviously lost my brother but strangely any more importantly kitties presence and hope was something is to share with my mom and she would always ask me about my friend kitty when i went to see her. So in weird daniel without getting too esoteric daniels lived on in kitty for by mom and me. Now zach grab you. That's pretty great story. Katie smith part of this arman. Shearman is also part of this and you guys are raising funds for the purple stride los angeles event which is happening on may first so Can you tell us a listers can go and donate to the cause. I think you go right to the pan kan website. All the information you'll ever need is right there. There's also kind of like a contest going on also right for whoever can raise the most money or something i would say. There's a bit of a rivalry. Which kitty is currently crushing us. I saw your a little bit behind here. So you gotta get free companion fundraiser right so jonathan i want to ask you. The question night usually ask all my guests. I and i'm really curious. Ranch is going to be this one here So what is your earliest memory. Ever of star trek in the star trek franchise. While i'm one of the rare few who didn't have a real idea about what As you know as a cultural icon star trek was i was not a i mean i knew her kirk and spock and i knew i had a concept but not not a concept like i have now since it's changed my life for the last thirty five years. Whatever it's been so why first contact if you will was renting vcr's of the original series to get a sense of what the show was. Before i went to the auditions now my wife on the other hand had poster of shatner in her room so she thought i was crazy. And i didn't know enough about this show. But i have since learned and appreciated and it has changed my life. Obviously i just crazy because again. We're talking about vcr's which i wonder how many of our listeners even know about but also that on the day you had to rent vcr's that's such a foreign concept. I feel like today. Exactly you have to go to walk buster and you'd rent or five episodes sign him out you'd be able to keep them for a week and he's had to take a back in rent four five more. That's the good old days. Tell us to watch on my stuff to probably one of my first memories of original series. Two was seen the vhs and being like this is a next generation. What does this mean. You weren't even born when next gen came on were you i was. I was around for next john. Little two hundred i started. I was definitely young. But i remembered it pretty well. Yeah but it is fun watching it now. You know as an adult just picked up an old things. He didn't cash when you're like you know four or five or six so when you become a hardcore trigger that you have your own podcast i'll that's fairly recent. Actually there was a star. Trek has always been thing in my life for for quite some time but kind of got away from it. Start doing some other things found some new obsessions as what happens in life And then oddly enough. It was actually few years ago. At comecon where i found someone selling a box of the action figures and i had such great memories of those as a kid and on the spot there. I just bought up like a dozen of these toys. And that's how it kind of restarted again. So you want to tell you. Want to hear a couple of action figures anecdotes. I'll absolutely i remember. In fact my only star trek invention. I've been to atlanta chance to go to one. You told that amazing. So i'm gonna say you're gonna get to that one that's about your i figure so. Take it away please. I was doing my first convention actually in syracuse new york. Kirk spock and bones. Were at the forefront. Everyone's minds we don't even know if we have aired yet so the audience was reluctant. Is the good word kind word. Hostile might be more accurate. I was a nervous wreck. I had no idea what had got myself into. I didn't know what this world did. Nothing about the the conventions. The power of star trek the loyalty of the fans. A star trek. What is expected this convention. I was in the dead of winter in circus. Amend the the dealers room which i guess people who are watching us understand what that is and ab- standing by a table at selling the original action figures the globes. I guess they were right. So you got the name. Bright and They would like the younger thinner version of all of us at the table and they were laid out and they were selling a geordie for thirty five bucks and then a limited dial data which headed weird colorado for forty bucks. Captain picard for fifty bucks at the end of the table. Those a sign says by any action figure if reicher free you like that story. That's a story. Heard that the emission fat. I love that story. I always open my conventions with that convention. These action figures one of the only advantages of being on the show. Was we got one of everything. So we we had as members of the cast We were given one more one. You know what. I'm saying so in my kid. My kid was a baby at first jameson. Who's born in life so this would have out right around the time we're making first contact with a big tub of action figures to play with us. He was you know it was a kid and in there were people that he had met so he pulled up. Patrick says there's patrick. In new play with patrick Pull up warfare who. I explained to him who worked for his. Co. that's michael. And then he pull up records though. There's daddy at a ground me in the bathtub drowning in the bathtub like this and then he pulled deep into the bucket of action. Figures on a pullout. Gumby gumby is an say that. Do you work within two to fair. Gumby could have shown up in star trek anytime. It just fit right in with the aliens. We're very very pro over there. I don't know if you're aware but Your first ever playmates action. Figure those are like the four inch one zero one of a thicker than the loops. Your first one is actually kind of hot topics still in the figure community. Because i reason when that toy was made. It's all these scars and rips across. This chestnuts pants three. That up with that yeah. I actually spoke to one of the sculptors he. He knows the story. I guess you haven't even never heard anything about that right. No i get ripped up like that and one of the shows people like to say you did or but that wasn't really true in the season or even second third season. So i mean yeah. I don't know the basically. They said that there was a mandate from planets that they wanted to look more action packed. And that's all. You're all scraped up. I guess so. Go figure about the the Thomas reicher action figure from deep space. I i've got that one. Do you ever thomas record to. That's in. that's in the garage. Do you usually pick up log. Merged with your own face on it or is that something. You're not early taking on no i. I actually sold all that stuff at auction or charity or something because we didn't have any room left in the in the storage bin. I wish i'd known you. I could give you all that shit. You love her the paperbacks all the action figures all the things they continue to make. I work now on i still work with john. Van sitters at cbs. Who's now sort of the merchandising guru. Not as often as we used to but we get emails with sketches or pictures of models of what they hope will be because they're not doing action figures for picard and now the captain has been on picard. I gathered there will be an action figure. You know with gray hair and little heavier and glasses. So i saw john felt like to ask you about another actor that you worked with fairly early on your career and someone whose name actually does a lot on this show. And that's john cullum. And i know you guys work together on shannon doa. I got the him for another thing. Unrelated to star trek Amazing guy amazing actor. I wanted to ask what you learned from john. Kalama working with him. It's fascinating that he would come up. In this conversation. I stole rikers. Walk from giancarlo. The only broadway show i ever did was called shenandoah. Which is a musical about the shenandoah valley which starred john column. I think he wanted tony award for it in the star trek world. The knob visitors father was the choreographer on this show. So i wouldn't as a replacement. After the show been running broadway for probably years and i had a small part and i was a member of the men's chorus of soldiers and my small part was a scene with john so i i waited in the wings during a ballot that he sang by himself on the huge empty stage at the alvin theatre on broadway and fifty first street and he had a cigar and his cowboy boots and his beautiful baritone voice. Any commanded this. The audience is probably two thousand seats. Probably twenty two states. He just commanded the. He had the audience in the palm of his hand. And he strolled around the sage cygnus ballot about his called the pickers or comment about his daughter and it was. It was my moment every night to aspire to what he had in what he did what he was you know still is so subconsciously. I guess is movement which is a little like john. Wayne walk a little bit pigeon. Toed planted itself in in my sense memory. So as i was finding reicher one of the things i did sub consciously consciously i guess was Mimic john columns walk. You didn't you. I actually didn't About that because i just had made that connection with shannon doa and i realized that you guys share a lot of physical similarities. Thought you know if you guys are both the same age working in the same era you probably have been going for those same type of strong leading man character roles. You're basically similar type used a. He's yeah had. You been like around closer. Yeah you might've been like actually competing for those same part so it's not actually is a legitimate connection worse. that's amazing. I actually as i mentioned. I spoke to john column. This kind of leads into real obscure question here. So i know at some point you had had a job working for marvel playing captain america some events and things like that. I don't know if you're wearing nineteen thousand. Nine hundred five john. Cullum was actually cast to be in the captain. America musical on broadway. And i did not know what does that musical gone. That's a whole long story. we don't have time for. It's a long long thing. I was just curious. 'cause around that time i didn't know if you were in hollywood at that point but i was curious media and hurting edition. Dirt hurt anybody. That show by captain america years were nineteen seventy four and five. Maybe for fun the same time shadow. I guess right well. When i got shannon i was done being captain america. I'll tell you. I was a better game. What about this star. Trek musical or star trek opera would about that. I don't know much about that. I haven't heard of any about that one anything. I nothing about that. now. I feel left out. You gotta learn about that big. I got some research to do. Oh thank you for that. The our big musicals here on truck until there's just thing that happens. Yeah i want to spend time with you. Discussing directing much playing commander reicher in. You've talked in depth but all these things but more so i'm very interested in directing side of things work in production post production as well so got interested in that And i heard your interview with no film school quite in depth about your origins and and i love. You can spend more time. Tell us how you basically transitioned from being actor and star trek to an actor and director one of the great cliches about acting. I think robert mitchum gets credit for. I act free. They pay me to wait. So there's a lot of waiting even brent spiner will admit there's only so many naps you can take so. I found myself grateful to have a a series regular on television. Series is You know a dream. But then i realized that this is the perfect. 'cause i direct a little bit in college but little theater and i realized this is a great opportunity for me to observe so i i started the shadow the directors on our show. Sort of unofficially event. I asked rick berman. If i could show officially with the with the aim of eventually into direct he reluctantly allowed may end as i showed interest and maintained. My you know. I used to go in when when i wasn't shooting And i'd spent denying the settlement. He finds opened up the editors room to me the editors on the show very generous in spite of the fact that they also wanted to direct and i became closer and closer friends that need to open up pre-production to be able to sessions or go to Sometimes to the note sessions Other production meetings than post production. I get into which was my favorite part was going to the scoring sessions. A dentist mccarthy was writing the music at the time and know eighty piece orchestra and has an ex trombone player was thrilling to be all these musicians so they the job of the director and the scope of what the director does was revealed to me in what we affectionately referred to as paramount university. So i was the beneficiary of all of these other experts time at experience and willingness to share and and i had a giant job on the show so it was. It was a time. I remember one specific morning. I was living in jamie's house in tarzana. And i said i don't think outgoing. And she said that's exactly what rich waiting for is for you to you. Know stop or to lose interest. Got a car went into work. And by the third season of star trek. He relented if you will. And i was assigned episode in the middle of the third season. And has it. My slot came up. Rene etcheverry 'as spec script who's now a big writer in his first grip which he had submitted to i guess pillar at this point was the offspring and it was a story of bren creating his his daughter and it had the advantage of being this brilliant script by rene who became one of our big writers in i ended up working for him castles. Well and it was data. Story and brent spiner is obviously you know awesome. Data's my favorite character so that was happening will be within it. I was able to cast hallie. Todd who who said. How should i wished i do. Just watch brand. And you'll find data and she did and that was magical was into his an actor known from the soaps who was also fabulous. Crowfoot did the small version of so all the stars aligned because when you do twenty six episodes of season of show which we used to do as twenty two. I think is long network sees a wasted at twenty six episodes of tv in months. They're not all gonna be home runs so this one. Because of things i just mentioned have because overprepared and because i had the support of the crew and the cast ended up being a home run at least in my mind and i think certainly in some of the in the fans minds well so because it went well and because i came in on budget eventually i got to direct humor and then it became clear to me. That was a much better director. Than i ever was as an actor and i was getting i was getting more out of it was really enjoying the The job the job has a lot more going on. There's a lot. I liked people. I like to work with people. I like to be on the floor. Like the i like both sides of the camera so it was. It was Again it was like some things with me and starting this was another blessing that has got has stayed with me and provided me with the work. I have now. Because i'm not working a star trek discovery in star trek across and star trek strangely world's star trek lower deck's so it has been very first episode of offspring. If that had not gone well we probably wouldn't be talking about director mentioned earlier from no film school. You said something similar in that how you felt that. You've been a better director than better actor. But i i feel like it's me that's more just been more of a fulfilling than if you'd be a direct so that you have more of a desire to do and maybe that's why you feel like you're perhaps better at one than the other one. You're quite excellent. Both those things. Thank you very much. Yeah talking about the austrian amazing episode Just one of the ones. I actually in fact. Did we watch for this episode. I forgot how great it was and especially about todd performance outstanding in that So when we talk for people who've had actors directed. I want to bring up. Rene aubergine wa. Oftentimes he actually would get rehearsals. And i know on a show star trek. You don't have time for that. But rene was able to find. Time to get his crude. Rehearse a for any of your episodes. Were you able to do any rehearsals especially with halle and kinda like get everybody up to snuff and what you're looking for. We never had any time to earn snow. Occasionally you would invite the actors to join you on a weekend for read through or to come in early sort of off the record and work but at some point on our show we stopped even doing table. Rates table reserve traditional part of In most episodes of television in on our show somehow they they went away as well so rehearsal is a luxury that one has in film and in theater. And i gotta say again having not watched the episode in so long and seeing the scene that you're in which is when log reicher a big old kiss on the lips. That was hilarious to me. I love just everybody's reaction to that scene. That perfect meeting timing. Those great over the bar will be the guidance. I love that part. And i also gotta bring up this too because you know. I think everybody kind of glosses. Over patrick performance in the episode because lawless. Amazing because brown was so amazing Patrick especially if he goes through a really big character change because we know the car character. He's not really fond of children but here he is now data's raising his own child and goes through this process of act one. He's all against it. And then by the last act of the episode he's mourning the loss and he's being like oh my grandfather Very much a paternal figure to data. You really got something very different out of the car. That some very different. I'm patrick than we normally would see after always found something to do. He's a master. I mean people have said. You usually get the best out of patrick. And i'd have to agree for whatever reason then that must. I'm assuming it's probably your chemistry that you have with him. You're able to really get something different with him. Something he hasn't directors we have a A natural shorthand. I mean i'm. I'm about to start on my block of episodes on picard in the middle of april and i look forward to my time with him as much as i look forward to anything else because of our our shorthand end i think i think he trust and that's i had that relationship with On discovery we look forward to finding the scenes together and had some really the best part of the chat untold will return momentarily trump. Untold is brought to you by triple fiction productions. If you're a star trek kaz player looking for props or Looking to spice up your shelves triple fiction. Productions has you covered triple fiction. Productions produces affordable and unique three d. printed trek inspired products from the original series next generation deep space nine voyager enterprise and the movies. You can expect the same amount of care and attention to detail in any of the items in their catalog whether it's appropriate for use in banfield or part of a cause play or accessories in place. 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You like to watch that have influenced how you shoot things. Are there any films that stand out to you that you use jaws feel from alien nice deal from I still from the good berg. I still from ridley scott mckiernan tarantino How you know you steal from the the. The masters went When you can. And as i was learning the craft of tv directing you steal the shortcuts. Give make a decision during prep. That should i get in trouble in the twelfth. Our what's seen. Can i shoot in one or two set ups and do it in an hour and a half or two hours or whatever at what seen can we absolutely not sacrifice the time on and we need to get so. That's not you learn. I learn from all the guys that being Three or four other guys was so so helpful anyway. Their names will will come to me or you can have to to the list because it was most of those first second season bob shearer you say their names on a lot of the episodes and they were really generous and efficiency in preparation is arguably the most important part of your work as a director on television certainly is definite economy to shoot something for television versus a movie and i would like to ask more about how you basically balanced. Because you know you're trying to make it yours. You're trying to make things stylish but you also have to make sure you're within your time. You're within your budget so as a director especially starting out doing telemarketing with star trek show. How do you find that perfect balance between getting the economy of a scene versus the emotional intensity or just making something your own. You kept sacrifice motion ever or the story ever end. The job of the director said sunday. The other view was well. The job of the director on television show is italy's might interpretation of the job is to make the best episode of that. Show that you could make and on unstuck. We had a certain style shooting and it was very traditional. And dare i say old fashioned and Now on discovery star trek same types of stories a world but because it would j brought to the franchise were now shooting much more theatrically Cinematic and as robbie dunkin big deal says we shoot to thrill. I use it as an example. I just direct Castle castle is based in philly and show coty and rob bowman who i also stole a lot from one of our directors probably our youngest most clever director in the first few seasons of of next gen. He was the show runner on on on on castle and he said to me on the first episode that he offered me. I came in for the first day of preppy said frakes. Don't even waste our time with any multi-stop masters which are shots. At which camera starts sake taking someone out of an elevator pushing for part of and we follow them and then they stopped somewhere else to become a little bit of that and then we move them. We go to another part of the sad we we settle in and you find a way to shoot. Virtually whole scene in one beautiful elegant shot said. Don't waste time with it. We're never going to do it. This show doesn't do it but make sure you get three sizes of close ups on my lease down here. A traditional close up collars are used to call communicator and a choker. So that's the way shot they felt and that's the way that show was shot. And then i also. During that period of time i was directing a series called falling skies which is a post apocalyptic of its stars though wiley. Who's another one of my favorite actors. Were in the sort of sneak. While patrick stewart subotica relationship anyway was his show. We shot in vancouver and it was really dirty dark nasty. And the the marching orders. There for greg beeman. Who is the producing director on that show and i guess from spielberg who produced it. Who i never met by the way Was that he wanted. Shot like a hand held documentary war footage the show so the exact opposite of what. You're marching orders. Were on castle. You were meant to start with whoever you thought. The pivotal character wasn't in the scene and stay with that character and follow our lead or follow in lead. See how people respond to come back to see how he responds to things. Come back to him or her. And and create long documentary style. Handhelds shots that. Tell the story without all the traditional still coverage that izzy and some other shows so unfolding skies you had the freedom and responsibility to shoot that kind of style and the camera was used entirely different way than it is on star trek or uncast learn and same thing with ncis. La has a certain style all the leverage. We are very big on three sixties on that show Dean loves to move the camera and he likes his close ups down. Just below the level different producers have really specific things that they wanted to make sure that that a get in their show. And as a viewer you know i know that's probably why when you're watching recognize the office when it's on because they've looked into the lens right. You can watch for ten seconds to the office. Then you could click over and you could watch gasoline castaway so so the signatures of the show become part of what the audience is comfortable with and what they come back for. I believe they come back for the story and how much they care about the characters who did not give you such a long winded answer theory. Go to great answer. It's perfect answer and not to compare my work with your work but when it comes to my phosphine shootings i like to think of it. you know. I'm big kershaw fan. So i will tend to kind of go to his style of things but the back of my mind. I always have this quote that heard from. Larry hama who is a comic book artist. I come back writer and one of the things he said is that no two shots should be the same on the same page and that's always trying play with exactly what the one of our early dp said. Never repeat a shot if you don't have to especially when you're on the cutting room and sometimes you have no choice but to cut back and forth but no two shots should be on the same page. That's that's good but worse to steal our but it's also you don't wanna go overboard either because Another thing. I like to keep in mind. I'm sure a lot of directors do this too. Is you know if the show was on mute. You still need to be able to tell what's happening so if you're not hearing it and this is comic thing to if you're looking at a comic pages no words you need to still know what the story is Is this something that you're cognizant of on television. Absolutely i think you you know you need to tell the story with a camera whenever possible another adage that we can add to this list is sherry lansing used to be the head of burma when we were making. The movies are looking at the rough cut of either. First contactor insurrection. She said frakes. Never be afraid to shoot wide. So i always of exterior as as the room as the biggest room. I could out wide. Can i possibly get. And when i'm gonna set it's the same thing. Where's the furthest away from the site. I could get so that even if the us a shop for three seconds or even if you don't use the editor is going to be thrilled the habit that might be a place you can use it and you've Aaron spelling used to insist that you have what they call geography shots. So you've new and you saw everything. I used to to either go real high real low to get those are sometimes. We use eight millimeter now. She can feel the whole thing. Wrap around you. But television traditionally such close up medium. It's it's kind of. It's kind of wonderful to shoot really really wide occasionally and often you find people will use it even use it for a cut which is often all you need for it. It's worth it's worth doing. I also find it for your directors who are watching if you don't get that shot early in their shooting sequence. That'll be the one that the or somebody. The line producer libraries Need that white shot. Never forget you do need fucking white shot. I feel like you know in the last ten fifteen years tight shots have been everything like everything you see on tv. It's all about that really deep really really wide depth of field and getting that super tight shot where everything behind it so blurry can't see anything whereas the wife shot it's such an important visual storyteller and what what do you think about that. I think you've gotta save those types. I i love a. Nobody loves it more than i do. But if you save it and use it tastefully at especially when he got actors like you know the people i was just referencing sequel end noah n patrick who i used by always say. Let's go inside their thinking. That's when i use until you getting. But you got use sparingly. Use it carefully and some people like to go in with a wide. You know sixty five again right in there so everything mushy behind and sell people like to go to three hundred so that it's you know it. It gives you two different feelings either. Widened tight or law in tight end. It's two entirely different worlds. So that's one to pick your brain a little bit another episode which You didn't direct this one this one that you very important in now. That's the outcast. I just watch us want again Another beautiful episode. I completely kind of forgot about and i. It's interesting too because it's kind of like we're looking at early nineties. Progressivism here for lgbt topics. Now surprised how well at age. I mean again. This is coming from a straight white dude here but the most part i'd say at age is pretty well. Some things maybe not as much but overall it's for what it is. It holds up in today's modern lens. I'd love to hear limited at work and upset. Because that's an interesting and topical onto the wonderfully topical episode. It was right and roddenbury's we'll house of how he likes to tell stories. Allegorically and using the time of the future is to relate or to comment on what's going on in the present and the opportunity was there to cast a a man as the part of the outcast instead of adroitness woman. So that it. It just seemed to me that if they're going to tell the story which i think was in great. Lgbt story would you not have cast certainly if he did it now. You cast a man that part right. That's one of the criticisms. I see today out to the modern perspective is that everybody's saying it would have been so much more mazing to show. The androgen with male actor is because the most part that elian race deny it was predominantly females playing those characters ridiculous. Yeah where was the early nineties. Yeah definitely season five. That was from so yeah. It's pretty pretty hot topic considering the time it was coming from to and now we have on Discovery we have anthony. Rapp and wilson cruz. Who are both gay. Icons are married to each other on the show and it's they're fantastic representatives and we have blue ian who identify they. They are playing characters who are what they are. And it's it's it's this is credited michelle paradise and alex kertzman who have made an effort to do the right way. If you will time definitely changed and things have definitely gotten better. So it's great to see that representation Curious about the character of reicher here and understanding. Today what we know more about sexuality what do you think rikers affiliation would have been especially this episode. We're talking right now now. Do you believe that reicher was straight was he by when even omni sexual. What would you have labeled him. Reicher always felt straight to be. I mean he had a healthy respect for alien women that i described that. Certainly he knew how to serve on the klingon ship but is heart was always with troy. One of the things that maria. I take great pride in. Is that if you call the pilot part of the story that tell is that reicher marina a reicher and troy had served together. We're love and shared. Empathic thoughts that reicher somehow. Not only her. Her betas qualities were maintained. Show but there was a scene. I believe were reicher. Knew what she thought or felt where she felt in. And you could tell that even though they have made a decision that were serving together. So we'll her relationship will be not the forefront and that eventually because the writers wanted in assuming this as well. The writers wanted to free troy up to have affairs with alien guest stars if you will in regular the same way Without the same degree that kirk did but had the sort of alien lover in every port kind of vibe. Or what couple of times a season but marina anti consciously and talked about it on regular basis insisted that we still love each other in our characters still loved each other at that that would inform how actors actress often as part of their technique. Have a secret as part of what they use for their character. While this wasn't a secret this was part of what acting teacher used to call our packing. That was packed in in both loretta. And jonathan's approach to troy reicher so that a scene if we are characters would look at each other occasionally it would relate to that to our relationship and not necessarily to the scene or how relationship was affected by the scene. Or how relationship could the senate. I think i could be completely egomaniacal about this but i believe that that worked and kept a relationship alive subconsciously. Perhaps in the writers minds. And then you flash forward to nemesis where we they thought a. Wouldn't it be great idea if these two characters got married and all the fans rejoiced of course because everybody wanted to see that that was the ship. We all wanted to see sale. So that worked out well. But i am curious and i'm not asking you to kiss and tell here but I'd like to know where there any romantic guest ours. He worked with that. You would've loved seen comeback and continued. Have some kind of relationship with reicher. That more so selfishly. You've just like to have worked with some more. Oh i was a huge michelle forbes. Fan i am. I was able to work with her again in something else and I think she's a spectacular president. They wanted her reply cure. I believe is that not the case. Now i was. That was a record. Franks both like the shelf. Thorpe's let's go to another pretty hot episode. That i'll talk about two guilty pleasure and i think everybody loves it. That's sub rosa. I talked a little bit here and there about you can receive going with this It's just you know to have actually spoken to duncan gary in-depth about this episode. He had things say about this on. Yeah dunkin's nearly really well. Yeah he you know. He came by chatted about his work as well and other things. He's done in his career. He's a wonderful career on stage and screen too. He's a painter as low as resist resistant character. He's a painter these days. He's very very deep in his painting. he has a. I think a permanent show now in one gallery in canada. I believe it is uh so he. He's very prolific with work. Yeah written and painted and he was such matinee idol but he was so gorgeous. That's leading man right there. That's that's look like giancarlo exactly. Yeah say school out there. Yeah so the chemistry that dunkin had with gates was just magic. Also i mean as much as its pan for maybe some of the themes. The acting was amazing. Please talk to me about what you did with dunkin' what you did what gates kind of get everything to come together was so underused you know there was so many characters on the show that the doctor crusher didn't get to carry a lot of episodes and i believe brannon braga wrote this episode as brandon created this episode four gates at i was lucky to get the directing assignment and we cast dunkin. You don't always get great you don't get casting is is huge as you probably know. So the chemistry between dunkin and gates does happened. I had nothing to do with that. So i was there to enable it if you will. It was like alfred wooded patrick stewart in contact. I just sat under the cameron. These to go for it and the same was true with gates. I think i was working with them. I think it was with marvin rush. We just found cool ways to shoot at another these candles shots and it was. It was kind of a non star trek star trek. So is it was a bit of a horror movie like twilight river. the movie was that vibe. It was sexy and it was that that was the genre that it was pre twilight twilight and to all the smoke and all that kind of goth etc reminded me a lot of like a universal horror film from like the thirty s. Any films you were trying to reference nothing specific but that was we were taking. We were grateful to be off the ship with all that. Hot top lighting and find A different the show had a different look. At the only reason you knew the show was because saw doctor crusher in it you know very little of any of the rest of us in the show is i call. It's real interesting episode to it. It gets have a bad rap. I'd say an interesting about that. One too is dunkin. Said he actually preferred the character of ronin this episode versus the character he played. Ds nine for like five episodes actually felt in this one episode. He got to do so much more than ever space. So how about that. I think that's good. I think that's a compliment. I think it is. I think the counts. Yeah so russia's often referred to as like one of the worst episodes of t you know. It's not one of the most awesome wanted terms of space fights that kind of thing. It's definitely a departure. We mentioned But i mean do you think it actually is one of the worst and more so are you surprised is still discussed so in-depth everybody has their like astles. Everybody's got opinions. Are i just love the fact that this this shows from nineteen eighty seven. And where you and i are still talking about it. Yeah there you go that's In a nutshell. It's always going to be talked about. It's one of those episodes one of those oddities but it's interesting to guys got such great performances everybody It's an part it's brilliant. Yeah bizarre upset. Otherwise i could tell us not one of your top ten favorites i would definitely say it is not I gotta say a new favorite of mine has been watching star trek card. And i also washington pinta for this interview today. And i know that we've spent a lot of time talking about marina. We spent a lot of talk about sir. Patrick and i know you guys see each other at cons quite frequently to say the least but that hug that you guys have episode it. It feels so real i mean. How real was that moment. It was very easy to play the hug of patrick. Yeah it was. It was very very easy to play. Who is so much going on. I think it was the same day that Doernen lavar can visit us so there was. It was really old home week. And i had just finished doing two episodes of patrick so i i was really. I was back in the groove with him. And and marina had just closed in this play. She's starting to play in the west end so her acting chops are up at the top of her game. I was. I was really nervous about my acting and this was a chance to take some of patrick energy and power absorbed relaxed into the day as as reicher instead of at his director whose it was interesting. It was it was very emotional to do an obvious to other people have mentioned to me also didn't hurt that shea butter. Somebody suggested. Put some of that pizza dough or hands or the Flower and will that'll reflect some of your passion absolutely. It's always good to have that dramatic flare up. I'm wondering if there's any other times when you filmed. Let's say t and gm so it's been stretches to any other shows you've worked on where maybe a scene got really real for you and a little bit of jonathan frakes got lost in the character as performing. Can you recall any times that ever happened to you. I was confused. And i had to trust jimmy conway when we were doing Reicher went crazy. The name of the show where he was insane asylum i. I was encouraged to be out of control. Psychologically ended. I didn't know how to play that. So i just let myself imagine what it might be like. I trusted director. But i think more to your point or maybe off point but more appropriately. I do remember very specifically when we were shooting all good things. Which was the last episode of this series and The card comes to our poker game for the first time and poker game was a great Anchor for us. We really look forward to those scenes and the story was built and built and built to the idea that the card actually joined us. That was so that the setup was great and was very close to the last day of shooting wasn't actually the last eight. Because i think lance. He told me he shot on the very last day of the connection but it was it felt like the last day for all of us were together and this is in spite of the fact that we all knew we were going on two generations like within weeks. We we job at a movie so it wasn't like we were never going to see each other again but because next to have is so special and change all of our lives. Obviously there is something about that day at work where all of us or just incredibly emotional very raw and very much on on the surface and it was a lot of those a lot of love and a lot of a locking the memory and if you know what i mean so the deal is it would be able to. We'd be able to access it all of us across the board both sides of the camera. We're doing it. I remember that experience very very specifically and very it was very strong. Chee if you will in the in the room and shit outta me here matthew. i'm trying. I'm trying as we come to the conclusion here this interview. I'd love to find out. You know we talk about some of your favorite directors but if you got a chance to shadow anyone director throughout history. Who would who would you wanna learn from well. My favorite movie is goodfellas as as Encyclopedic about so. I think i think i think it'd be a blast to watch work. Frankly that would have to be an interesting one person would love. I'd love he worked. Yeah david lee off the honestly. I thought to work robert wise if i have. Because he was so prolific and did so many amazing unlike also very different types of films he amazing to watch in spite of star trek in spite of star trek. Although i will say that i most picture while it might not be the best visually. It's stunning it's a wonderful thing to look at sitting through two hours of it. Not so much did direct sound of music. He did sound of music. Anything west side story. Don't forget that one to always come back to the musicals don't you we do come back. Then we do. Yeah speaking musical about another great segue. Europe wrote this down new right. Anthony rapp i heard was shadowing you during season. Three of discovery. So i'd love to hear about what he was learning what you're teaching them. What are the ropes. That you show to anthony rapp one of the things that i shared with you i shared with him and his instincts are great and he's going to be a wonderful director. So do you believe that anthony will be ready to. Let's say sit in the director's chair for season. Four discovery i could anthony. He's shadowed today and he shuttled. Halley short of ebay started other directors as well. And he's doing it a long time. I think i think anthony's gotta be ready as soon as they're willing to give him the reins and we know that you're gearing up for card's and be starting getting soon as well and Strange new worlds. Which i heard you were going to be doing some work onto. And i know obviously you can't say much yet because it's all top secret hush hush but have you had chance to talk to the principal cast. Yeah just in general with no them on strange worlds. Yes well. I know anson and rebecca and ethan very well rebecca. The series with. I was very very involved with ethan when he was fighting. Spock and i did done three four shows with answer during season two of discovery. So i was a i. Have strong ongoing. I play words with friends with them. Libya's go that far all right so john. There's so much more to ask. But we only got so much time today and i can only monopolize you for so long. I know but. I want to thank you again for being willing to chat with me today. it's surreal again. I can't get over this. And i'm staring face to face a jonathan frakes like an hour with him so i'm gonna go and go nuts little bit after this is done but yeah one more time Pancake organization how audience find out more about them and can't dot com and signed up for the purple stride. La and follow the track against pancreatic cancer team. And throw some money at kitty swick. Absolutely so yeah please. Check out the pancreatic cancer action network. We're going to have links dot in the show notes and again jonathan. This is a dream. come true I'm kind of speechless. I don't know how managed to get as many words out this past but thank you so much for your work and I've loved senior rock. I i love what you're gonna do next. I cannot wait to see what is next to you. Star trek and beyond so Thank you for sharing so much your stories with us today. And i'm going to go babble somewhere else now. So thank you jonathan. Matt you did a great job and you maybe feel comfortable enough to share in detail stories. I haven't told him in a long. Long time caller. Thanks so much. I really enjoyed it. Thank you and that was our chat with mr jonathan frakes who i cannot be more grateful to for being willing to join us in this episode. There's a million kind words. I want to say to him and thanks is just one of them but he is truly a great human being and on a personal note. I'm not gonna forget steps anytime soon when you're speaking with somebody like jonathan. It's hard to try and get new information of him because he's done so many conventions and so many panels over the years and it's got to be a pain to do interviews like these. We're just talking about things you've already disgusting again so. I'm hoping that jonathan as much as i did. Because this one really meant a lot to me as i mentioned. At the top of the show this episode marks the fiftieth episode of trek untold. And the almost one year anniversary of this podcast. The first episode aired back on may seventh twenty twenty although we did have a preview episode the week before that which. I'm not counting here. That debut episode had caitlin hopkins is my very first guest and she actually was the very first person i ever interviewed for the show a lot of times. These episodes don't air in the chronological order of recording them. But caitlin was in fact the very first ever that i had done for this concept and i gotta tell you guys. I was so stiffen that pilot episode. 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Star Trek: Picard | Season 1, Episode 7 Recap: Nepenthe

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Star Trek: Picard | Season 1, Episode 7 Recap: Nepenthe

"Check this out. I got word that. Who through this crazy party in Beverly Hills with literally all the biggest reality TV stars? I'm talking about all the Bravo Lips. Candy Barris Porsche Williams. James Kennedy. Jack's Taylor even captain Lee and Kate chastain. Here's the genius part. If you want to find out what happened at the party you have to watch the commercials. Yes I know I'll be tuning in and then signing up for free trial to get my favorite reality TV shows at Hulu Dot Com star. Trek Picard season. One episode. Seven is over. But we're just getting started here on post show recaps. My Name Is Jessica lease and here to break down everything that happened in this wild and crazy episode taking place in the great outdoors literally and figuratively is a man that. I know so well I can tell you whether or not he has mucous. Mr Mike Bloom cold and Flu Season Jess. I'm a man. I'm more mucus than man at this point. And let me just put in a requisite reference to start off this podcast troy and Reicher on nepenthes all right now we can move on all right. I'm glad you got that out of the way. Yeah you know what we did get seven seasons and four movies out of them so I guess they've surpassed even the legacy of community. So I have to. I guess. Try to make them similar. Even if from that regard they do outshined the other in terms of longevity. Yeah it'd be honest I think they I think they the Gif of troy holding all the pizzas as everything is on fire around him kind of accurately sums up what's going on in the Borg Cube. Yeah that's very true and I would also say in terms of popularity. I think that has a mass something. Greater than the sum of a lot of star trek gifts slash memes picard faced. Palm not included. So I guess if we're looking at the medic qualities of these to pop culture pieces It looks like star. Trek is currently the wood-fire pizza burning the oven. Yeah it seems like it although I have to tell you. I'm really disappointed at the lack of Reicher sitting down action. We got in this episode. Yeah I think outside the dinner with the own. That's the only time we saw him sit down and even when he did like. Why was the chair dot automatically facing backwards? Why do you not sit stride like is this Daddy Reicher? Has He fundamentally become a different person? Like I don't even recognize him anymore. Where's the bone man? Where's the trombone? He was listening to jazz while he cooked but even tried to regale his new friends at dinner with an old sultry number. Look look man. Parenthood changes you Mike. I think you know that better than anyone right now. I suppose so. I know I put all my jazz instruments away not to pull them out until a certain age. I guess you have to go past a widely teenager even to get them to appreciate Free Form Jazz. It's a hard sell even on adult. Mike I will give you that. Yeah that's true. Actually that was a runner in Tng right was record. Really tried to get people to appreciate his adequate trombone skills. And even data who is looking to connect with every aspect of humanity was a little bit like okay like it puts. You have to listen between the notes really. That's a concept in humanity. Okay I'll roll with it. Yeah I I don't know if jazz is a great one lesson in being human. No it's a reserved for like a three zero one four. Oh one like advance. Even some humans haven't really gone to that level yet. They took the basic requirements and then moved onto their actual major. It's like a colloquium class. So that's basically explains why card rocks up to the Reicher ranch and they do not try to inflict this on so g right away. They understand that she's still learning all the ropes. Exactly like she has that head tilt she has no appreciation for jazz clearly. Something's up with her but I mean I sort of feel like. We're very believable. We're sort of just talking about it. Directly ALBEIT JOKINGLY JESS RECORD TROY OFFICIALLY BACK. Unfortunately this is not a key positive episode for all next generation characters as we're going to get into but it finally happened after being pimped out at since. S. D. C. C. last year. We finally got to see these three reunite it was it was bittersweet but I was so I was so so jazzed for it and honestly Mike. It would have been more of an a- shock and awe moment for me if I hadn't kind of had this fourth wally impression that Jonathan frakes has been just out of camera for most of this game season so far like US directed a couple of episodes. So you know. He's like he's never too far from Picard but to have him in front of the camera now is very exciting right. That's the thing and he talked about this a bit on the ready room and there was a really fun. Ready rid this week with him. Obviously Wil Wheaton and Brent spiner who is literally just like a dad joke just as a human like Tilleke. Didn't there was not an ounce of sincerity that came out of his voice. Every entry had was some sort of like sarcastic pun by. I really encourage people to check it out. But according to frakes he was initially just brought on to direct episodes four and five and then while he was there people pulled him aside. And we're like. Oh yeah so we'd like to bring Reicher back. What do you think and he vocal really interesting perspective? Which is to your point. Yes he has been around the trek franchise. I'd say the most out of anybody from the maybe out of anybody of the entire trek franchise. I'm pretty sure he's directed at least one episode in every series since next generation but to that point he has an acted in every series since next generation and he was very surprisingly nervous about playing reicher again. And it's a bit different than someone like Jerry Ryan playing seven of nine as to getting back into the character. I think for John Frank. It was more about just like acting again. You know especially against Patrick Stewart. Who's been doing this for a while? Marina certes was just in a play and west end at the time. And honestly you could Kinda tell like I. I'm going to Gush all over this episode. This is my favorite episode. There was so much great stuff at here but I kind of feel like the first scene between Reicher and Picard. It really did feel like it was Jonathan frakes like it did not feel like William Reicher whatsoever and not being said I absolutely loved it. Yeah I get that a little bit and I think it's also like we're so hype for it and we know it's happening and they're bringing back all the original actors that get into bad back together and I think that makes it a little hard to immerse in it right out of the gate right yet a little bit like when you see you know A character from go onto another sitcom and then like someone from that other. Sitcom COMES ONTO APPEAR. You know as a tongue in cheek roll. Your mind does get a bit removed to now granted. These people reprising their roles and I think you know we. You correctly predicted this last episode. That nepenthes they would definitely be a sort of like. Let's sit down and sort of figure out where we are type stuff at least on the actual titular plighted elsewhere. There's still a lot of stuff going on but this really was sort of like a setting the table. Ga- getting our belongings and trying to figure out where we go in the next few episodes but at the same time we still found out a lot about these two beloved characters at what happened to them since the events of Star Trek Nemesis. So there were still stuff to learn about them as characters and how that fundamentally changed them as people yet. Mike. Did it surprise you that Reicher and try became parents. I mean the last time we saw them was really effectively their wedding. Yeah well also I mean Troy has technically been a parent before lest we forget. That was actually the light reading yet. That might've been like the first episode of Season. Two actually the first polaski episode when she became pregnant with the little baby that matured faster than so gedid became basically like a full grown adult and sacrificed itself So I mean. She had that Brent brief stint of parenthood. Yeah I mean I don't know the whole Reicher. Troy dynamic was something that I understood as a late comer to enjoy that like it was always going to be part of the game but I feel like there was actually only a handful of times when they actually sort of flirted with. It was also derailed by the fact that they decide to push troy and war fed us a surprisingly in the seventh season. So you know I. It was always like accomplish. It was not like Salmon. Diane thing for me to think that they continued. Their family is just something I never imagined. Maybe it's just because I hadn't given much thought to their relationship in the first place considering how you know on and off or I guess just sort of spotty it was represented wise over the course of TNG's run. Yeah well it's like it's almost like they dated in high school and then came full circle. It's like it's like this is US version of star trek this is uss yes this is USS. Yeah it's interesting because you know when you see them together. They really are good for each other. I mean I think the most representation I get is probably. It's weird to say but like Star Trek first contact where the two of them are really on the mission to get Zephyr Cochrane up in that makeshift rocket and to see them. Sort of bounce off each other and work together from a longer capacity. Not just through a forty two minute episode. Maybe sort of realized how good they are free to your point. They've had their flirtations before. Like I remember there was an episode actually very hated episode where it was the two of them on a date with locks on troy and then they get kidnapped by harangue us. That's when the card has to do the whole fake sonnet to Lana Troy to get her back. So it's clear that like they were very clearly into one another of course it's complicated by the whole. Thomas Reicher episode as well and of course the war of it all so it's good to see them come back together since the two of them are happy with each other as well. I just feel. I mean absolutely gutted for what they had to undergo. You'll always feel bad. Jeff for like those characters who weird to say like they did nothing wrong. They didn't deserve that tragedy in their life. 'cause like does anybody really deserve the type of tragedy in their life but to see characters. We Love Heff to live with that type of sadness. I it's it's tough to sort of meet them in that moment. Yeah this is just testament to the fact that this is a very very different star Trek. Because I don't think any star trek series prior to this one would have baked this into back story of some of its most beloved characters. And you know we've seen that the we've seen twice now. It's not afraid to kill characters. We have some familiarity with and that it would give this kind of tragedy to to some of its major players to end. Watch US grapple with it and have it kind of inform how we feel about this universe and make us I think again distrust the federation even more and start to think oh this is not the perfect utopia that we were shown in prior iterations of Star Trek. I think it's it's really dark and it's really it A. It's a tough way to have to think about this universe that has seemed like such a great place for so long. Are you implying that? Thad Reicher is a Borg Jess concerned. That all of the canonical major characters. We've seen die so far have been either have upheld. Xp's I it's the opposite. Actually it sounds to me like it. Sounds to me like something like a board could have saved his life like maybe he'd been aboard he would have been okay. Imagine if they like we need to find a pork you we need to assimilate are suds. Avoid is disease. I mean obviously like this one I mean this one really hit me talk about becoming a parent but like you feel something when Troy says like okay. You can stay in that room and you see marina certes take this ever so brief pause and like the smallest of deep before going into his room and when you see how like immaculately kept yet sort of haunted it. Is you get a sense as to why like I don't know I don't think they say how much time has passed since that had died. I believe he's the he's the he's custer's older brother and they said he was going to be like eighteen this year but we don't exactly know how long they've been on. They've four but I mean they're still clearly grieving. I know that she says that. The AAC gets a little less every day. But like they're still memories there understandably so because it's I cannot imagine what they had to go through especially since to your point. It's one of those really big ironic tragedies of you know. Hey he could have possibly been cured of this. Fatal disease. Had there been positron culture in there. Were no positron is to work with because of the same fan. And it's one of those things we're not even talking about you know a disbelief in the federation but more so you know when certain laws and stipulations are Maeda. Sometimes it's forgotten like how will that affect people in the day to day and this is something that obviously we had no idea about but it really makes you think of like. Oh Yeah I guess you know not just the idea of android technology but this idea of synthetic science in general probably had a lot of different uses besides just creating creepy robots. Yeah and this is where I start to cast some skepticism on synth band because it really seems like it would be very hard for your positron Eq Matrix in near like Petri dish analog of whatever you grow the positron it matrix in really. Seems like it'd be very hard for that to gain sentence and destroy Mars so I really having a hard time with this particular aspect of the synth ban while. Listen like you. GotTa start somewhere. You know if you don't stop the positron excels they might grow up to become you know some some killing robots that apparently caused vulcans to tear their faces off in a future vision. I that whole thing was also very creepy. But I suppose we'll get into that but I think maybe we want to stay on pet. They for a little while longer. Because I think we still have a lot to unpack. I think there's certainly this tragedy that they're grappling with and I think even though we don't really know anything at all about that. I think it hits us just as hard because these are characters that we have loved for a very long time but I want to go back to like the very first the very first glimpse we see of Reicher because this was such a different father child moment than we've ever seen on star trek before and it's maybe my favorite thing that has happened so far in this series. Because you mean you mean a wide. Yeah like stop yelling. Yeah because that's real. That's how parents and children interact and every parent and child up to this point especially on tng but even on the later series like the child would run up and be like hello father. I'm so glad to see you. Oh my child and the stilted informal and children don't talk like that on any planet every anywhere so to have to have Castro. Come in and start yelling across the field to her dad and then being a little bit annoyed with each other in this very hyper familiar way was really fun and really real now. That being said I feel like at least from the one example we saw I think Reicher and troyer awesome parents. Say What you want to about whether or not we would actually see them become parents but it really does seem like and maybe it's because Castro really hasn't had anybody besides Captain Crandall for company like she definitely seems like the person who her parents are her best friend. But that being said I. It seems like they're very chummy with one another. They're still using bad language just together like she might have a couple of moments which sort of bristles at being dismissed. But for all record says about you know the pains of dealing with a teenager James like she has a pretty good relationship with her parents especially comparatively to what it could be at that age. Yeah it's pretty ideal if she's not not stealing spaceships and like Abusing snake. We'd yeah exactly like there's A. There's a lot of like listen. If this you know if this soil has rejected properties like you could really get a certain business going You Know Rafi. I'm surprised they didn't leave her behind on the pen face. You could really make a new business out of it. They never said how Reicher and troy are making a living these days and yeah. I know cash. Free Society the post capitalism. But that's a pretty nice house. They got to build that somehow dentist in. I don't know. Do you think you know what I could imagine with rikers. Now I would say new foulds but like more focusing on his hormone status. I would not be surprised. If he had like a little food truck running about you know that he would run down to infinity. Lake sell his woodfired pizzas okay. So here's my heartache. If we'RE GONNA talk about. Are we going to go to? Reicher and the pizza right now. Writer and the pizza. We're on the topic. This is early in the podcast for me to get this turned. Mike. I'm just morning you all right. Well let's get the bats are the way. Let's get the venom sac out of the the bunt corner. Whatever it was before we put it on the pizza. Yeah is bunny corn. Is that what? This is like a bunny and a Unicorn. Yeah I can imagine it's like I guess it's sort of like a Jack Elope but with the horn or maybe it's part bunny part corn. I don't know that sounds more delicious other way. It just looks like you're like off brand rabbit from the one that we saw. Yeah I the first time they saw him like. Oh they're on a planet with rabbits. I mean is this is this is this rabbit endemic to this planet or did they accidentally introduced them and they've taken over the way that they did in North America. Yeah well at least they didn't pull a T. O. S. and like. Put a buddy with like some your non it and called it a new creature. Yeah that's I guess that's fair and who knows a technology has gotten pretty good on the production side of things that could have just been. Cgi Bunny right exactly. But I love the idea of of the bunny corn like would you make jerky out of it. The jerky tastes like tortilla chips. Or I mean I do wonder if they found out about the venom sacs the hard way you know like were they given sort of the orientation of depend because I don't know how populated the planet is. It really just seem like they're fairly remote or did they just have to bite into one nowadays and realize like Oh yeah. Oh we're feeling pretty sick afterwards. Like just wasn't the the bunny corn. That was this little part of the budget core. Let's let's avoid doing that. Let's do some trial and error here as we work on our pizza we gotta make sure we sell them at infinity. Lake come the summer. Yeah the those are not corn kernels. Definitely something else has come out of there. That is much much worse. Yeah it's it's pretty noxious but apparently you can instantly cure your bunny corn and make sausages out of it which is pretty neat trick. Yeah I mean technology in the future like I know that it does seem like Reicher is sworn off replicated food tak-taking the whole bear picard method of authentic. Only but I can imagine you could take some shortcuts. You know. Yeah and they'd have to. They'd have to unless they've got like something in the future. That's like an instant pot for cure. Your meat I don't know I mean they have nothing but time out there to your point it saves maybe they sat picard for like half a day. Just waiting for me to be cured in passing time. Yeah maybe maybe that's the reason okay. We're just going to do this now. Mike that's the reason the pizza is so. Gd small did you see the size of this piece is a personal pizza and they are serving it to five people. This is a pizza that should be served to one person. And what kind of got a freaking host is Reicher that he makes this teatime pizza. Like what are the tomatoes falls off of it like? There's what three tomatoes on their total. It is absolutely unconscionable that this is all. He feeds his guests such small portions and the troy household saying. He can't be this genius chef if he's going to serve them and like ooh guests get to yet to bites. What is that like with? Eat your guests a real meal. Reicher or GTS FO. I mean that's my own gluttony but if my special privileges of staying at the house was two slices of small pizza instead of one I would feel like I was being starved or tortured for some reason. Like is this a kidnapping technically might being healthier against my will and forced to eat only small pieces of pizza to subsist. Yeah it's very very strange. I guess like oh well if it's really high quality ingredients. You don't need to eat a lot of it like maybe this is a very peculiarly twenty-first-century American way of looking at your food. But that is not enough food I guess I was surprised that troy do not followed up with the desert of something chocolate unless she's kicked that habit as well in which case she really has changed well if they can't get replicated ingredients and they're kind of out the boonies and that seems like a pretty temperate. Climate may be. They don't have any chocolate and I really feel like tries getting the short end of the stick of gene. Let reicher move her to someplace where they don't have chocolate boy this indefinitely. Not New steady buddy. That Detroit is getting the short set into the stick of anything when it comes to Star Trek. But maybe she has her own secret stash. I totally imagine that at this point you know. She's like stout here in the boonies. She's aware and her star Trek Nemesis hair. She's ready to just sort of let her hair down and be whoever she wants to be secret chocolate national. Yeah I guess so. I will just because I didn't see the chocolate stash doesn't mean it's not there and she seemed like she was pretty relaxed and calm and had a good time out there so though that could be again the stuff that they might be growing aside from the The Basil Yep Yeah. It's true I've apparently the supercharge soil makes great basil to. I don't know maybe there's something in that soil. That's just supercharging everything you know. I only see roffe later. Give Giradi all those pieces of cake like the way she was applying. Let let me serve you up. Something special like there might be something in there to this might have been very laced. Episode of Star Trek Picard Jazz. One hundred percent thought that Raphael is going to get her high. I mean which would have made things both better and worse dry. We'll certainly get into that but it definitely would have lessened her anxiety but it also would have definitely loosened up her lips to reveal many many things. I kind of sad. We didn't get that. I do want to mention one more thing about the idyllic setting of nepenthes and I WANNA give a shout out to Albert Vargas. You're pointing this out. And he says. Please don't forget to mention that. The reicher Troy family live in the same cabin. John Candy rented in the great outdoors. Oh my God I includes a picture and I gotta say it does look like the same building. That's so interesting I mean I guess it's getting some play. I suppose. If only they were only John. Kennedy was alive to make a cameo as some sort of like maybe could have been captain crandall you know. Yeah I I would have been here for that. Or maybe they're just gonNA like shoot off the hair off of the ass of bunny corn. I also got something. From von Kramer says nepenthes. She was a Teen Dance Club in Fort Lauderdale in the eighties The the actual name pen pay is super interesting Because I believe it's from the specifically refers to the Odyssey which are deceased his wife Sort of indulgent her own vice her own drug called nepenthes pay and it's sort of refers to this idea of like a mythical cure or this idea of quelling sorrow and obviously considering the reason why the Troy Reicher family went there in the first place that makes a lot of sense but also it serves a much larger purpose. You know. This is a huge episode for. So Gee I'm glad they took the time for Soji to not immediately. Take the cards hand and get settled into the earth shaking reality that she is an android and so this is sort of like her come to terms with her own. Heartbreak and sorrow picard is sort of fighting his own. Mythical Peres too. He feels lost. Which I thought was really interesting. You know arc for him as well so there's a lot going on here it's more than just a name. Yeah well you don't name. I guess I shouldn't say this Mike because we've spent most of the first half of the season talking about people's cat walking across the keyboard and spilling bag scrabble tiles but when the name comes from somewhere it usually means something pretty big that exactly so I mean it just makes so much sense level though appears we're going to a plan that doesn't even have a name so I think just like holding onto this meaning for a while and plus are getting into numerology next week. Is this like when I really feel like if you are living on a planet and nobody else lives in that planet and the planet just doesn't number not a name it's like when you live on a rural route way way far out of town and then the city comes to you one day and it's like well we have to name the street you live on as has happened to a couple of friends of mine who've lived way out of town than city made them give a name to their street and so they get to call it whatever they want so. I feel like if you live on a planet. That only has a number. You collect planet whenever you want like you get you get naming rights. I assume that the nickname was like planet. Maddox right that he was quitting it himself. He just didn't WanNA obviously clock with any sort of federation or else people would notice it so they decided to just keep it with a number but he always doing his heart that he was playing it. He wouldn't want to put that on the books anywhere like they're just looking at Planet mattocks wasn't that the name of that guy that was doing all those illegal experiments haven't heard from him in a while I wonder if he's there speaking of not hearing from people for a while. I mean I just I I could go on and on about you know that. This storyline the nepenthes in storyline from this episode. Because all admit we live in a very nostalgic focused reboot heavy culture to the point where you know when Star Trek carbs announced. Iowa's excited at the same time. I was a little trepidation that it would just be a TNG reunion that being said I absolutely love this episode with all my heart. I mean this was my favorite episode of the series so far Just had a beautiful harkening back to those days of your and you could tell that meant a lot for picard as well. I would be super intrigued to hear from people who are not fans of TNG or even have it seen TNG and if started star Trek with Picard. Like if this episode meant as much of them because obviously to those of us that have spent so much time invested in these characters to see them come back to see them embrace one another to Reicher and picard sort of having this like grumpy old men moment or out the lake where you know he's saying thank you for not convincing me to turn away from this crazy mission and Reicher says like I. You know I never be able to do that. And it's just it's a really cool moment where these characters are both acknowledging each other and all their old faults Brunswick Knowledge in new things as well I. I loved record choice of taking Carta Task. And being like yeah. You taught us a lot and you know a lot but you do not know anything about how to parent and like it or not. So G is your kid right now and you need to learn how to communicate with her. I thought it was a really cool subversion of roles and a really cool arc. So you know. I'm glad that they held off on this for such a long time. I know that I was surprised to see this reunion. Come so late. But the card vocalized how this is really his hour of need where he left Earth with a mission and crew and the ship and now he doesn't have any of that instead he just has one very confused very angry android girl and he was able to find guidance here. Well I think the amazing thing that they did this episode was it makes sense both as a standalone piece for people that only know card and it also was such a deep and well thought out continuation of the story for people that are very steeped in the lore so that you did push the plot forward you gave a back story to these characters so that even if you didn't know who were and you'd never seen them before you know who they are and what they're about and yet if you already knew them you learn something new about them and little detail of all of our interactions with Reicher and troy. This episode are just so rich and full of information right up to the name of Castro. Their daughter Oh yeah that that. Like as soon as I found out that connection that like hit me in the heart. Straight down the center in the dirt obtain Eum. Yeah that was that was really rough on Kessler being the name of Deanna. Troi older sister who also passed away right to the point where this is found out in an actually a surprisingly dark locks on us troy episode called dark page. I believe where it turns out that she has been repressing this secret. That when Deanna. Troi was a baby. Her six year old sister drowned during a family picnic and she has kept them a secret. I don't believe Troy even knew about Castro at all until the episode and so for Triton named her daughter after you know a member of her family who she never even knew is like a fascinating and incredibly beautiful gesture in itself. Yeah it's it's very lovely original Castro by the way played in some scenes by Kirsten dunst. Whoa really had two different actresses because there are in this episode there are some dream sequences featuring Castro troy. And then there's also some actual flashbacks of what really happened in the dream. Sequences Castro's played by Kirsten Dunst. Oh you know what? I think I remember that. Now it's like Did you know type of person man? Will I mean for flash flooring to the other Castro Lou Wilson? Who Plays This Castro? I thought she was awesome People might remember her Those who loved haunting of Hill House on Netflix. A couple of years back. She was one of the flashback kids. She was young Shirley and I thought she was like the perfect amount of precocious Lee. Yes she was super intrigued by a number of levels. One of them being. That's another frigging person for her to talk to so much so that she peppered her with questions but like. I felt a genuine sweetness out of her and I thought she did a really great job training that character. She definitely did which I think is a testament to great casting but also to greet writing and again children are not something that star. Trek has historically done very well and to have a child in there with like who's just exuding personality and who you know throws a wrench in the works by asking inappropriate questions and who kind of talks on and on about herself without really being polite or Ito being a miniature adult who is super duper with the adults around her. I thought I thought it was the most realistic child character. We have seen on Star Trek. Maybe ever yeah. And that really culminates in her final scene with Soju not where she gives her the broken ask compass but you know when when they're talking in the bedroom and Kessler has been very cheerful and very You know just so interested in everything over the course of this episode and we finally get to see a little bit of that tragedy. Ican where you know again like triset Kesri's AAC lessons a little bit every day and you get that feeling but at the same time. That ache is always going to be there no matter what. There's always going to be a dull sensation of that loss. And so when she talked to the end about two soji about hey. I know you're hurting right now. I'm hurting too. But in a different way but what helped me was finding someone and card might be that someone and I definitely want to talk about obviously like the Soji Picard of it all because that's a really interesting relationship especially with how it differs from the Dodge Picard surprisingly so but I do sort of love the parallels that cash treasury there even though like we said what we know of her is largely from stuff that happened offscreen. She was able to really make a connection with that character which. I think even surprised Soji. Yeah I and I think I think the way that so g is approaching. This episode is all very fascinating. I think we called it last week. Mike when we said that so she's going to come in here she's just had her whole world shaken up. She is unsure that you know she. She's just learned. Her mother isn't real and all of her stuff that she thought she'd collected over. The course of a lifetime is the same age. She is which is three years old. And not like twenty-one is she thought and then after all of this happens picard shows up and says hey your sister sent me to look for you. She's like well. I was just told I don't have a family so I don't have a sister so I don't know what your motive is. But why are you using my fake? Not An all real sister to try to get into my good graces and argue even real. Is Anything happening? That's real. Is this kid asking me? All these. Invasive questions real. It's a really weird place for you to be right now. Yeah I love him. I covers Asia. Just because I mean picard shows this episode that he does have faults and one of them being that again I think he was sort of under a guise as to how this conversation would go from what happened with dive which was significantly easier right dodge for whatever reason. Safa card in her mind so she sought out picard. She knew for some reason. I have to trust you. When Picard broke the news to her like she did have like a monster. I'm a machine but she seemed to like be relatively okay with it here. So she's like Oh my God. Everything's fake my family. My childhood my sister and Picard does like the worst breaking of good news. Bad News ever like wait. Good News your sister is real bad news. She is dead as a doornail. She has exploded at this point. We're still not sure if it was the romulu venom or if it was the exploding disruptor but we're definitely sure that she's very very dead. I'm sorry to break this to you now. So like no wonder so. She has the reaction she does. Damn he is not the best at bedside manner when as has to bring up much much later on as you said like her reality has been shattered. She has been manipulated and tortured to fill a certain function. And I think she says like the. There's a glitch in her programming as it were and she has been trying to reprogram herself. Yeah and even even before picard totally flubs the breaking of the bad news. He's the one that brings it up in the first place which is really really not a good move there like he's talking to Castro in the woods and I guess he thinks he's trying to speak in code or something but can't rely on a child to talk around something in a sophisticated enough way. There's not going to spill the beans entirely. And so when he's like yes. Do you remember your dad talking about commander data. It'd be the first thing she's GonNa be like. Oh He's an android so gene android too and it's just like you can hear the breaking glass sound going in so he's head at that moment is like come on. Picard. Maybe at least wait till everybody's sitting down and eating their tiny pizza before you start dumping the heavy news honor. I'm my my appetites God. No it's not because I barely had two inches of this pizza. Yeah I mean. I think that I think is a really great job. In this episode of really reconciling with what happened because you might say like Oh it's she was frustrating that like she wouldn't believe anybody but I you mentioned this before during that conversation. She just walks away saying that whatever. This isn't real. Just get on with the mind game. It's it's this weird like simultaneous. Denial yet sort of acquiesce saying to what she thinks are herself because let's remember like not only was. She betrayed just with her role view. She was betrayed by the person that she loved. And so the fact that the person closest her that that was her brutus makes her fundamentally distrust anybody. And it's interesting that you said. She especially distrusted Picard. Maybe it's just because this was this guy who liked dragged her out of this situation and said come with me if you want to live. But she's really really reticent to Trust Him and I thought the seam between her and Troy was really nice. A was a great way for us to sort of find out a bit more about that at all but also troy coming in with this perspective of like sometimes religion. Good you know sometimes being human comes with undergoing these terrible losses and that informs us as to who we are so even though you might consider yourself not human you still undergone some. That is essentially humid at its core. Yeah it's true like it. It's almost at that point. It doesn't really matter if she's humour not because she's has to respond to the situation like a human and I really liked You know the these small steps that you see so take as well in her scene with Castro. The first thing when they're in the bedroom When Castro's listing off data's resume about playing the violin wanted to be sure to lock homes. There was that weird episode where that comedian the holiday threat to tell a joke. And you see it's a Brioni Ace. You know say you know. Ask about her. I guess quote unquote father and she takes the slightest pauses before she says data. And you could tell us like almost like she's having trouble saying the word she still can't believe that this is a part of her reality but she does get it out. And I think by the end of the episode. When she's revealed this unnamed Planet Planet. Maddox might be her home world. I think she has finally gotten used to the waters that she just got thrown into. But it took a while to do so. And I'm glad they did that. You know I think it's a bit more realistic to the character. That just having dropped down and be like. I don't know what's going on but let me tell you literally everything that's happened and I'm going to run with no matter. What right and I think. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Slaughter Sacred Cal here right now Mike because I think we can contrast this with some of the space-based quest stories that have gone before Like if you think about Mike for Instance the first fifteen minutes of star wars new. Hope you have Luke Skywalker. The farm boy living with his aunt and uncle and within the first fifteen minutes he beats this crazy guy who lives out in the desert and his aunt and uncle get brutally murdered and revealed guy they have they become their own wood-fire pizza as it were indeed. And that's that's a big pizza right there. Like Extra Bunny cornstarch you could. You could feed all the sand people with that. You definitely could on eight even if we don't know how many they are because they're walking in single file to hide their numbers on. Yep so he gets a mysterious message and just goes with the strange old guy that he's talked to like twice before and all of a sudden he's like this is my life now. I'm going to do the thing and never really adjust to it at all right exactly like I think because they took the time to build out so G. as a character. Did it feel like they had to fast track this development Which I was happy with because again she was able to take advantage of the fact that maybe this also is due to the fact that the penalties such an idyllic beautiful world. That seems almost out of a postcard. That yeah you could argue that someone like Soji would believe this is fake that this is just another trap like thought she'd had escaped. You know the true mind game. But she's actually in another one now. I could absolutely imagine why her walls are up at this point and to see it come down over the course of a group effort around the small pizza you see Picard. Initially tried to play her for information about her dreams at the dinner table but it really takes this impassioned speech from him and already harketting back all the way to like the first episode where he says you know. I was spending my days in a vineyard and I wasn't really living but now I'm alive and I have a mission and it's finally I think that sense of initiative that makes her trust if not him running through his weird body symptoms than shows that he's not lying not reicher saying he's the best captain that the he's ever seen it's picard really revealing. I think his own vulnerabilities to show that you know. This is not a trick. I am someone who is going to be truthful to you and I hope the same to me some Mike. You're saying all of this time we spent getting to know Soji. You're saying you're fine with all of the Poor Cube Valley high of at all of boy. Don't put words in my mouth. Jesse not put words in bunny corn in my mouth. I would say the Soji stuff I was fine with. It's the Nerik stuff and I think as I've discovered this the the Rizzo stuff as well. That's still has not really settled with me mainly because the three dimensionality of this Oh gee character was promptly balanced out by the to in some case one dimensionality of those characters. It's true I. I realized this episode that I think I think my entire issue with that plotline is. It's like ninety percent in Orissa. Who is a terrible character? And ten percent. Eric who is a c? Minus CHARACTER. Yeah and the thing is I guess we could. We could go to board cube now because our Ip Hugh will give you a little bit. But I think you know there was a really fascinating moment. Where unfortunately after the poor God the poor mass execution of all the expertise and Rizzo is taunting. Hugh basically saying like what you did was jeopardized mission that took years to put in place across dozens of star systems and you Potentially jeopardize trillions of lives across the galaxy like this reminds us this star Trek Adage of like okay even the quote unquote villains still have POV'S RIGHT. They still have rationales behind everything and that the shot ultimately working to prevent what they think is an apocalypse at the hand of this destroyer. And it really makes me wish that we saw like more of how that drives this character outside of just being like a very ruthless violent person because I could understand why it does that but there really is no dimension to her character. Besides that yeah. She's like every Saturday. Morning Cartoon Villain. That's like oh I want to stop the care. Bears and keep them from caring and take all the carrying out of the universe like what? Yeah but why all the expertise to do a care bear share? That's what they should have done what they were lined up to do. Actually exactly well. I think actually to that point. Maybe what I'm I mean. I'm loving so much about picard so much. Rizzo is really like the one Achilles heel for me to make another Greek mythology reference. I think it's because honestly she seems like one of the villains you would see a one off like star Trek. Tng episode now has been stretched across multiple episodes of a serialized TV show. And you realize in that capacity that it's fine for forty two minute episode but it doesn't work across seven hours. I think I'd still be bitching about it. If it was a forty two minute episode but at least you move onto a more complicated villain you know. Now we're sort of reviewing things through the shoddy representation is her and Eric and while Nerik is the more complicated character though not this episode. He's playing with his fidget spinner. And you know trying to tailgate the LOSS ARENA. But you know outside of that. It really doesn't seem like we`re. We're not getting a lot of complications from a character perspective. More so the complications arise when we finally see the. Oh Mo- mind melt. For instance we get to see from a more mythological perspective. Exactly what these people are fighting for. Yeah I think I think the structural problem that we've had with this with this series so far is that they have chosen to withhold from us. What the bad guys are about. And I think we're starting to learn why they did that. But it makes it really hard to tell a story where you really understand the sides of it and can fully sympathize with the people. You're supposed to be rooting for because if you don't know what the bad guys are about. Then it's just like you're not invested in it you can't. I can't even. I can't even really hate her except I can't hate the Fox except in that I hate that. They're so that they're so flimsy. But the gist she killed. Hugh Yeah I. I hate her for that but I feel like I even I feel like I hate her even more because he's deaths should have been better. It should've meant something it should have. We should have felt like they were killing for a reason right now. I don't I don't have that feeling because I don't know what they're about. It's like Oh we hate robots we're GONNA kill the robot. Yeah it was. It was interesting. I mean part of me feels I duNno. I like I'm happy that used at only because like it was brutal to watch all those. Xb's get done gunned down and you knew he talked about it with eleanor. Like how guilty he must have felt as executive director. He felt responsible for these people who he personally helped rehabilitate at least he. Didn't you know live with that on his conscience for too much longer But I will say that was a genuinely shocking moment. Considering that we were all in right unlike the hand to hand eleanor via Rizzo. Choose your fighter. And let's get it on type of stuff and then she just throws out this Schenn's on from Star Trek Nemesis knife and just impales itself into Hughes neck as a bystander. Yeah that was an even worse death. It was just a Gut Punch because you spent so much time up to this point learning about how he's bringing hope back to a hopeless world and something we'd previously told was not possible and he's helping to bring all of these former bro work drones back to humanity the Bro. Dro- yet road drones their total bros. Because they all just kind of lay down and died for him and then he did all this work and is beautiful thing bringing hope backed where there is no hope and then they all died and then he died. And it's it's it's dark like you said like this was super dark because yeah I can imagine like. I don't know how much the how widespread the board reclamation project is because it does seem like you know the reason why eleanor has to SOS Fenra Rangers is because seemingly all the XB's are dead on the poor cubing. Nobody can use that Queen cell again except maybe the former Romulus but they are definitely not in a good place. I think to help L. Nor in any way yeah. We don't know what happened to the former Romulus. I think that's a good question. Are they still on the cube? I mean I would assume that as Roma's Lewis as someone like Brazil may be you know as much as she talks about like wanting to make loopholes entreaties. I don't know if she would kill fellow Romulus unless they were coming after her. Like she'll clearly go after eleanor because even though he's a Romulo and he's working for somebody else but I do wonder if she did try to you know pull a mass extinction on the was the dishonored. I think is the name of the of the XP Romulus that that might be seen as like an attack on their people and might cross a line to whatever secrecy. They're trying to maintain. Yeah it was weird. They highlighted this in the preview or in the previously on before the episode started. They showed you like these are the only Romulus who've ever been assimilated as far as we know and we never saw them in the episode. So I have to imagine. We're supposed to remember that. They're there and wonder what happened to them. The only connection that I saw this only on my second viewing of the episode was on the loss arena. When they're still in the traffic beam tractor beam and Rossi's trying literally everything but the kitchen sink to get out of it. I think she finds a picture from one of the Romulus. And it's these overlapping circles which we've seen a couple times. Obviously it was on the dodge and so JI necklaces. If you look at the two moons of Planet Maddox though serve. Looked like it as well so this might be linked to the whole prophecy to maybe that links happening there but like you said you sort of have to put two and two together and make a lot of connections with your own. Overlapping circles to figure out exactly where they come into the picture. Yeah I suspect. We'll get the answer to that question next week Just because it looks like it looks like you still have Rimington's chasing eleanor. And I would suspect that in between the time that he is waiting for seven of nine to come up with cal with the cavalry and you know the end of the episode. He's going to be wandering around the cube and I think he probably stumbles on the psych ward worth. Romulus are being kept yet it? You know this this whole storyline completely surprised me because like I said I had the highest hopes that okay these two are just going to be able to jet off the board Cuba escape on the road and help picard at the end of the season but no pretty much picked up exactly from where they'll off. It really did seem just as much as eleanor was going to. Try to become a renegade. And take down those Romulus. You'd like the got subdued pretty quickly considering that we see them being or at least Hugh being interrogated by Rizzo. Maybe Elnora was able to escape. And even though Hugh dies here and Eleanor's able to find that famous Rangers Tag. I don't know exactly like what the time is until Uber pickup. So he's still might have to defend himself but surprisingly eleanor seems to be on his own for the foreseeable future which is not how. I expected this character to go. We got especially considering. I think we had this idea that he was sort of to bring back star wars into it again. He was sort of supposed to be the CHEW BACA. Two Cards Han Solo and then we separated them so quickly is kind of an interesting subversion of that trope because I think we thought I had the impression at least that he was going to be sworn to stick close to Picard in. It's like no. He's actually sworn to protect this cause and so it doesn't necessarily mean that he is going to be right on. Picard all the time. And he's there to help you. He's there he is taken up. Hughes 'cause now it's it's for all intents purposes the same caused but that's very much in keeping with the CO-OP melot Credo of of taking up lost causes and I thought that was. I think that was where none of us were expecting that story to go right on top of I mean this is the character that we are sort of painted as the blank slate right. This is the guy that didn't didn't know what a con was a couple of episodes ago. And don't say Kahn in Star Trek but now he is undergoing this pretty traumatizing journey. He just you know even though he's killed people in a more brutal fashion huge just died in front of him and this was a new friend and now he has to fight his way out of this dark bore cube select. There are things that eleanor is going through that he never expected he. Would you know when the covert me lot head was talking with a car? She was saying like Oh you know he may die but at least to live out there and he's certainly is and I guess he sort of is undergoing his own trial by fire in a way in experiencing all these things on his own and getting a real trial by fire as to the way the world works like. Do you think you would turn this his rahm spring a I love that. Oh I love that so much yes I would a hundred and fifty thousand percent. I would call this his rahm springer. And I knew you'd like and I mean don't know if this means he'll go back to the cohill maybe we'll have the choice to go back to the Kovac me lot to go back to that planet at the end of the season and be chooses to stay and just become a a wild partier. Just throw him back all that Romulus L. But yeah I mean. At least we'll get to see more seven of nine as soon as next week and I think the pairing of her and eleanor is going to be super interesting too. Yeah I'm kind of loving this and I thought we were done with seven of nine so it's great that we've already found a way to bring her back in and keep her as part of the story and I. I love that you can summon the fenders rangers with a tile keychain. That's pretty good. Yeah I wasn't sure if you touch it I love the little message shows up and it's sort of the opposite where I was not expecting seven of nine to show back up and I was expecting huge backup at least a couple of times only for him to die here and I do see your point just that his death feels a little sudden and a little unfulfilled but looking overall arc. I'm actually so so happy that decide to bring this particular character and Jonathan del Arco into this series because he actually served a much larger purpose. In retrospect that maybe we initially think especially for just like you know a one to two episode. Tng character from the past because he was so instrumental in Soji. You know trying to acclimate to life on the cube. He was really the only person that saw how she was. The one not regarding the Ted. Xp's with you know With the coldness she brought warmth and compassion which he definitely saw in her. And we talked about this last episode but he was fundamental in picard changing his opinion about the Borg. And when he said you know these are they're not victims underneath. They're you know. They're not monsters underneath their victims. So Hugh is dead but at least. I guess he can die. Knowing the profound effect he had on these two characters That currently on the run and the fact that he sort of changed their lives for the better. Yeah it's a really great way to bring back the character and I think this is probably how it had to end. I just wish we knew what he died in service to write what was his 'cause that he's sworn himself too. I mean we know his cause but I want to know the cause. He was killed for right speaking of that. I guess you know as we segue into the Giradi Rios roffe bottle episode of it all. So yeah we have our flashback. Start off this episode and Jesse. Finally get the other side of the shades conversation. We assumed we assume since Agnes rotties. Turn that okay. We did not see the entire conversation when commander approached or your completely right as she basically said like. Hey you're going to work for US and chew on this tracker pill because this is what's going to happen. Apparently if synthetic life is to be accepted as a normality yeah add. This looked like some pretty grim stuff. Like this was Willy Wonka Candy Tunnel. Business happening here. Yeah but they're not gonNA wind up in like the foam room afterwards. With nary a word to say about it yeah I mean this looked crazy and there is a lot of flashes of stuff so I tried to screen cap as much as I could but from what I could see. It looked like there were a good amount of Vulcan's gathered in a circle. Maybe like seven or eight or so seemed like in the center was some sort of robot but with human skin meant to resemble an android then there are visions of like plans exploding. And then you see these vulcans like tearing at their skin and one of them blast kills themselves with a disruptor. I'm trying to figure out you know. I guess where this falls on the time line. Because we know the these Jacques Varnish Ceo they harbor a secret so terrible it drives them crazy and I feel like we sort of saw that here but since Oh did a mind meld. She's a confirmed Vulcan. So I mean did this take place like before the Volkan. Romulus split of your is it. Just that the VULCANS. Maybe saw the prophecy now working secretly with the Romulus to execute it. I'm not entirely sure what's going on there. Well Yeah that was. GonNa be my question to you like we know that. Vulcans and Romulus are genetically very similar. Does that mean that Romulus can learn how to mind Meld? How would it seems Pretty Anti Romulo and to be able to pull secrets out of somebody's exactly like like known as the secret stairs to keep? I will make sure not to do that. But maybe that's the reason why they sought out the Vulcans. Young maybe spock's efforts in that reunification double episode ended up actually working out in their working together. It's just for a a not so great 'cause the other thing that I notice has been sort of bandied about online that I find super interesting is there was one particular shot of planet. Exploding that is eerily similar to in Star Trek discovery season. Two when spock? Mind Melded With the Red Angel Aka Michael Burnham and saw a vision of control laying waste to a bunch of planets and so that's really got people's minds stoked as to okay we are dealing with. Ai Is control involved in some way in this. We spent a lot of time talking about control last year. Just do you think there's a connection or do you think they just wanted to reuse a visual effect. I think they probably pretty budget-conscious. If they're paying every original person to come back I think but I also think that nothing in this show is unintentional and I think we are bent to notice whenever a tiny piece of it is stitched in from some other aspect of the universe. So I think it's a fair question if this really closely resemble something we've seen before that's not an accident right. Though to your point it could just be like are. What are we have interpreted? Planner and exploding are sorta like star Trek Clip art thing. Oh Yeah I guess it. Was this thing from Star Trek Discovery. That was used for like half a second. Nobody's GonNa Notice. We'll just put it in there. Where's the stock footage of plated exploiting that we can use? Yeah I mean maybe we were meant to because we were supposed to be. Greeley grossed out by the Vulcan event horizon or Giradi then subsequently puking the at least for the first the first one we did not see the actual vomit coming out of her mouth. Yeah but she. She seems like quite the nervous. Puka she really does which I'll say you know. I think there's a lot to get into with like Giradi zone. Inner psychology but man. I love Christmas as a character but I feel like he was pretty. Damn Daf this episode. Considering how much he seemed Giradi having a mental breakdown on board the ship to the point where she is like. I don't want to see the symphony more. I'm good I'm good at him being like I think. Rafi being tracked I think she. I think she might be a spy. I honestly just thought when that scene happened in Sick Bay that he was purposely accusing Rafi to gauge her. Sort of reaction and then say no. No I know it was you. I just said it because I wanted to see if you'd fess up to it. But no he said he sincerely thought for half a second. That roffe was the one that was causing them to be tailed. Mike I think even watching too much survivor. I think that's a survivor. Move and not everybody out in the world or out in space is necessarily playing survivor all the time. If only that the Star Trek series I WANNA see Kertzman. Hey that's that's a brand steel. We're GONNA true that's true but Kertzman officially get on that and I guess you know it's not like Roffe hasn't been suspicious. Did Tell Rios like did you know. I have a son which seem to come out of nowhere. He did point out that like she left them real quick on free cloud for whatever reason and then came out came back just very very despondent. So it really does seem like real basically. Rio Tests surrounded himself with people that are just acting really weird. He essentially flipped a coin. But I don't know just the way that Giradi was acting this entire episode. Was Sketchy a F- to me. Yeah I don't know why nobody was more concerned about this. Like Oh that guy keeps following us and even though we're shaking him with amazing elusive maneuvers. And Oh oh Giradi it. Why are you so upset about this? What what could possibly be the case here and I is she really she really charming in the rest of her interactions with them that they're not going to be that they're not going to immediately distrust all of this action the only excuse which roffe points out in that cake seen issues like oh she's still might be in mourning over maddix which is why she's acting strange and understand why there's a little bit of a guys and maybe it's more obvious to us because obviously we know what's going on but she just seems like a complete nervous wreck and I think you know RAF easier is really perk up. Went to the point when she's like yeah. I know I'm a robot assist. This is my life's work but I don't WanNa see it. I just WANNA go home. Please take me home now. Press the play button. Yeah or like you know. I don't think I want to go to this other planet. We used go to Disney in space or something. Exactly no we like. Does anyone even WANNA go. There want even see picardy bore. They're looking at her like she has three eyes. I will also say a car. Let's go party exactly. No no you know me. I love to go back to free cloud again. I really am in the mood to you. Know Fill Jaiswal spot. I will also say this is something that has sort of been like on my radar but really hasn't been picked up like Nerik until this episode when it really was experienced in the his first lines in the episode but Santiago Cabrera's real accent pokes through so much as fast like he like he goes into that that like UK Irish brogue in the very beginning of the episode. When he is yelling at Rafi like you could tell in moments when he's not focusing on it he talks like the age and that becomes a bit of a problem. It's it's sort of like the first time you hear Bronson Pinchot speaking not as bulky Exactly and your your world is just blowed. And it's you can't think about it. Yeah Yeah and of course you know that Santiago Cabrera can do any accent at any time. Except he's having a really hard time clinging to this particular one for some reason yet. What do you think the H. is petty because the EM H? Just shows up whenever somebody's feeling particularly medically Endanger but roffe like hailed the EH age win. Giradi puked all over the deck. And it didn't show up. Was it just like I don't WanNa do that. I. I'm not a janitor but I think the whole job is to clean up people's Puke and we don't know what the Law Serena was doing before it picked up a card so maybe the H H has a rough life and we need to lay off him. I mean that's true considering. How much reas just likes to house alcohol all the time. It seems and considering that it seemed like he had nobody around to release stop him. He wasn't even listening to the HOLOGRAMS. Like I could imagine. Many many rough night's for this poor. Eh maybe it was taking it's like union mandate mandated break and couldn't clean up the cake at the time. Eurabia cleaning up some other puke somewhere else. I mean Ramsey's probably having a rough time of things like I don't know how much snake leaf. She has secretive away. I don't what the withdrawal is like like. Maybe there's another pilot puke. He's got to work on. I exactly and that's why you know one time please. I've just tried to clean up all your human puke all over the spaceship for some reason just smells entirely pupil time lots arena is basically the dream sequence in stand by me. Yeah or basically it. Smells like a like a bad chucky cheese at all times just feels like a little too sterile and speaking of sterile sick as really like the climax of the story line because Giradi is in a coma jess giradi in a manner of speaking sacrificed herself. By you know nullifying the tracker shutting her body down. Well the weird thing is I guess. How did she know that the that was how the tracker worth maybe? Is this just technology that everybody knows about like the trackers in your bloodstream and if your conscious and everything is working then everybody knows where you are like. Does the tracker shut off when she goes to sleep or if she is knocked unconscious with the tracker work this is. It's it's weird that that was the thing that she had to do to make it work and like how close to death is she. How come back bull is this? Well I think to answer your last question. I think it's very comeback of all I do not think we're seeing alison pill in a coma for the remaining three episodes. I mean if she is it'd be interesting choice and at least if you know if we're talking about a character perspective it would sort of be like you know a good final beat for her end on. We talked about this before right that even though we see. Giradi here that she probably she's a good person. She's a reasonable person. At the end of the day she probably is going to side with Picard and turned on the shot voss despite what they showed her but with regards to. Yeah the the tracker. I guess if I'm going to put some head candidate in here maybe the tracker went through her bloodstream. Like implanted itself in her brain. So when her brain is rendered inoperable but less operable and her inducing a coma than maybe the tracker shuts down then because it really has no activity to go off of like the tracker is I assume. The trackers like some serve. Natto bought situation. Which again right. That's hypocritical exactly like why why why are Nano bots allowed to exist especially like you anti android co balls like no we're good with the flintstones. Chewable trackers no. Those are fine. We can't we can't culture a cure for a neurological disorder in a positron a petri dish. But yeah it's fine to like inject somebody with now bots so I mean Picard and so g are GonNa come back on board and find out that not only is Giradi in a coma. But I'm pretty sure. Rio still suspects that prophecies of mole so at this is a weird weird ass shit for card to be coming back into and also everything smells like Puke. Yeah and actually like God. I forgot how for call tat spell. I WANNA go back to the pizza planet. I'll eat tidy pizza for the rest of my life before I have to go back on the ship. Exactly like nor whole just go to is ready room or like the. I'm assuming the little hollow room. The assembled includes like smell as well. That smells like the Chateau so he doesn't have to smell the environment around. I think that's probably most of the appeal of the holiday on any starship yet. Though I mean appeal depends like I wonder like for example going back to the aforementioned data sherlock holmes episodes if he really wanted to smell like you know eighteenth century London or if he decided to nullify because I feel like could genuinely hamper the experience. If you know everything smells like Horse Manure. Yeah I think you can adjust the situations I mean and also Mike we we know that even nowadays when when NASA astronauts would go up into space for like two or three days. They'd come back and the inside of that. Space Capsule smelled awful. Yeah exactly I think you just get enough humans. We don't know what like the shower situation is like on the law. Serena wasn't outfitted with with every with a big enough bathroom battles with the holiday stuff when we went back to the Dixon Hill. Sultry film. Nawar days you have to nullify the smell of Cigarette. Smoke right otherwise. Oh not not only. Is it pilfering your nostrils the entire time? But you're going to be walking back to the bridge smelling cigarette smoke for the next few days. Yeah like Picard walks into ten four hundred earns like well. I guess where you were. And then they're all prompted live. God Haywood they bring these guys into the bar. Yeah just stinks up the whole place. Exactly or maybe maybe. They know their post capitalist. They're also post smell. It's really a smell societies but we idealize that's really what gene roddenberry's initial vision was. Yeah although we we know that they they still taste and smell is such an important component of tastes so now you can still bite into a tomato and have that be appealing so I guess that's not true. Yeah I actually. I don't know maybe the maybe the replicated food doesn't smell and that's why it's such like a big thing to have authentic food. It's sort of like if you if you eat. If you eat only like bland food for an entire week and then you just pick up like one thing that's got some flavor to it. It's like a flavor explosion in your mouth exactly exactly. So maybe that's the thing. Is that the reason why people usually prefer authentic food of a replicated. Food is just that they're spice in it and they're seasoning as opposed to the replicator the matter what. Matrix you're using does not exactly have any sort of spice cabinet equipped to it. It's much like growing up in Montana and then going out for Indian food when you're for the very first time when you're twenty one years old. I love this that maybe the I mean listen. Montana played a role in Star Trek. First contact maybe. That's where the replicator was invented to eat. It's entirely possible and David. That's why replicator foods still stays so bland because that's where they invented in bland food world love it. I love this kid so much yes so I have a couple of like other random minutia that I wanted to highlight I wanted to ask why. Do Reicher and troy have so many candles on their dining room table. That's true it was interesting decor Are they scented candles? That's a good question I would imagine. Not I think the rustic aspects of nepenthes. They'll be able to actually take in the more natural smells but I think that's another reason why they also went super rustic with the lighting as well even though it does it did seem like records. Jazz was coming from some sort of like overhead sound system. Everything else actually seems pretty on that Dick Save that and also of course the shields that reicher activates wants picard gets their classic Reicher to like make his family live without overhead lighting but he has a sonos system and shields on the cabin. Exactly like no. We can't afford that honey but instead let me go to like gear heaven and make sure I invested all my anti cloaking devices. Yeah the NEPENTHES GEEK. Squad came in and like outfitted the house like. Oh Yeah. We'll give you a sweet sound system while you're at it but you know putting some lamps in. Here's a bridge too far. Yeah I can imagine I mean I guess your eyes get used to it but it has to be held difficult to like. See that Kendall at dinner. Maybe that's why so JI felt like she couldn't trust Picard. It's because you couldn't look him in the is maybe that's why Picard. Had to describe what he looked like. Yeah I think I think that's as good answers anything else. WanNa talk about It's not a good idea to smoke on starship. Speaking of the bad smells I. Is that a real cigars at our replicated cigar. Is it a Hologram Candy Cigar? It cannot be like a combustible device in canucks. That's that's just bad. Don't do that right. I mean we talked about this but when I saw Rios This idea of like in this society when you know be carcinogenic effects of those types of products. Why you would do it. I mean maybe this is to your point like a type of a cigar that does not have those properties. Maybe it's made out of something different. Maybe as may not have something that isn't combustible but Knowing Rios. I feel like he was somebody who would like would want that natural feeling and if he you know gets if he becomes sick from it that just makes the experience more real and hurt a little better. Yep so you're saying he intentionally BARF SOLO over his deck. I may be so because that. Let's feel something you know. Let's alive yeah I mean well. We can't all have wood fired pizza ovens to make tiny real pizzas exactly like I wonder what they deemed per card starts. He's like wait a minute like did you not invite us down to like. Do you realize what we just went through here? He didn't WANNA has to have a couple of small slices and they're like look. We'll just replicate you a giant slice of cake full by the way. Watch that spot on the floor. That's where the last cake ended up. Yeah hope you'll have room for dessert and if not you could just make some room. I'm sorry that was now I'm not. I'm not sorry and my final piece of Minutia Castro texting captain crandall under the table. Is Maybe the most teenager thing anybody's ever done in Star Trek? I love that I love that. Like maybe for a second Reicher. Choi would bustard shops right this thing of life. Hey screens off. We are at the dinner table young lady. This is family time but no she ends up. Doing two techs captain. Craig built defied. All about you know this new planet that they are going to which I haven't watched too many previous. I Dunno for going there next episode. I mean knowing star Trek Picard knowing the fact especially that we only have three episodes left and apparently episodes nine and ten are sort of like the disco finale and that they were built a two part episode. I think there's a very likely chance for going to plant mattocks next time. Yeah I mean we have to take a little while to get the band back together. I we need to wrap up eleanor. We need to put eleanor back with the group. We need to put everybody back from the loss. Raina I think that could take part of the episode but Yeah I would guess we're going to the moon planet sooner rather than later not to mention the fact that the episodes have gotten the first six episodes or the first five episodes. Were all forty five minutes. If that then we had episode six was about fifty. This was about fifty five to fifty eight minutes so I can imagine the episodes. Just keep getting longer just to cram more information in there and I think that this is probably the last quote unquote slow episode of Star Trek. Picard that will see. I do think honestly with so much stuff going on now with the destination in mind that it's going to be all out havoc from here on out. Yeah and it seems like. They realize now like they've got so much story to tell they're not going to waste a second. I think especially now that like they sort of have not necessarily resolve the picard soju stuff but at least build a bridge to get them together they said okay. We use the baby to be that. And now let's have them face off against the shot. Voshon whatever's coming. Their way as we move on to our next thing you know. This was a necessary step in the journey them so glad we took it because it was such a beautiful episode but there are so many big fish to fry and we better put our poll on the water. Yeah and I'm Super Duper Hungry Mike. Because I really didn't eat enough dinner. Listen now you realize that. Portion sizes play a large role in podcasts performance. Overall you know Picard Tummy is going to be rumbling. Not SURE ABOUT SOJI. Data never seemed like he really needed to eat so he joined eating. He just didn't have to do it. Maybe that's why they were fine giving the small slices to G. and skimping with Picard. Because they knew that like she wouldn't necessarily care it's not contribute to her nutritionally anyway. Yeah well that's the thing like they. They said Yes to get to. But it's like why. Are you giving her extra? She's not GonNa be hungry. Yeah that's maybe they were expecting another data head tilt at an extraordinary number of pizza slices. Yeah also it's weird that she does that. Data head tilt all the time and nobody up until like three days ago guest. She was an android true though. I guess you know I. I don't know how many people were in such close quarters with data. They would pick up on his little ticks. Maybe they thought that she had a creek in her neck. That she wasn't able to get out your mic. If I met someone tomorrow did that head tilt I would one hundred percent. They were an android and we don't even have androids that I know is that life advice. We should put out there to folks like if they do that. Data held till like called Jot Voss. Because you've got an android on your hands Yep Go report your Weird Co worker with head tilt to. Hr see how that goes. Could you imagine that meeting of life? Jessica accuse you of being a synthetic life form due to the way you tilted your head during our quarterly meeting this afternoon. And then they tilt their head again. You know yeah exactly like that but then they both tilt your head towards you. That's when the fun really starts. Oh my God everybody around me as an android. I'm the only real human listen. It could have been prevented. We could've followed the shot voss but we did it. Yeah I guess I guess we brought that ourselves. Didn't we Mike? So is there anything else we to talk about this episode or have we regurgitated every thought in our heads. I really don't think so but I had so much fun with this episode and I. It's so much fun with this podcast again. Like as as a huge star trek fan like this is the type of stuff that I've been absolutely loving. It's this foot in the past acknowledging these relationships with these characters but a foot in the present of acknowledging the new situations the new relationships they have and how how that informs one another and how they can look to the future. I just thought it was well done on so many levels and it really just had my heart bursting with pride with sadness with excitement on so many levels so I mean I really do feel like picard has been knocking at our the park really each and every week since they've been in space particularly and I really hope expect that trick to continue for the next three weeks. Yeah I really. I love this episode as well and I can't believe that it manages to be all things to all people and yeah we mentioned. It's it's got its flaws but for the most part it's just like anyone at any level of track expertise can come in and feel like they're getting something amazing out of it and so. I'm really excited to see where it starts to all wrap up next week. Oh my gosh. I can't believe three weeks left. And then we still don't know what Star Trek discovery is coming back and we're lower deck's fits in it probably going to spring on his. They're going to do it. Amazing race style. Oh Yeah JK. It's coming up next week yet where it could be a thing where like at some point maybe as Picard Planet. Maddox WE SEE DISCOVERY. Comeback from nine Hundred Years in the future and is like. Oh Hey hey and then they'll still do that. Cross promotion of Star Trek discovery coming in April the wave out the window. Yeah exactly even though technically discovery would it know who card was vice versa? Right if they were white from starfleet records right right but it's like if you're driving on a rural road and you pass another car. You wave at him even if you don't know who they are. This has been the most like Montana and podcast ever between outright reference to the state and to rural Rhode References. Look I think you set a whole episode in the backwoods and this is what you get. That's true I think. The comparison speak for themselves. Yeah nepenthes is like the Montana of planets we quote you on that one hundred on Memory Alpha. Yes so what else you got going on this week. So Josh Burglar nyc going down the hatch We say goodbye to another character on our lost podcast beloved I'll put in quotations but it was a super interesting breakdown into that character's final episodes of course from a writing perspective. I'm writing about Star Trek Picard for. Cpr DOT COM. You can check that out at CPR DOT com slash tag slash car. Got a couple of things up in there about the Troyon Reicher epilogue that we got hugh's death which was interesting to dive into a canonical perspective writing about survivor. Both of the US and Australian Variety Ida Three Hour Australian survivor podcast as well with Shannon Gusts. That was a lot very cathartic at a lot of fun. And of course the RHA P. B. and B. as well going on every week with some fun and some games and hopefully not too much puke. Just what about you? I'm keepin the Puke to a minimum as well I am spending my days podcasting with you over here and with Josh. Wigley talking about the walking dead every week and then writing the odd feature article for Primetime or Dot Com and making a few guest appearances on associated. Other podcasts You will find me. I don't know exactly when this is going to drop it. I had a great chat with our friend. Dan Heaton this week. Who does a completely until related? Podcast called the tomorrow society where he talks about all things Disney parks and we kind of went on a very long tangent about Disney versus universal Because since my main podcast engages to talk about amazing race on survivor podcast network. I figured I'd just go on a Disney podcast. Talk about universal so gonNa come out sometime in the next few weeks and it was really a lot of fun so I recommend everybody check that all out. So if you're just GONNA check this out and you WanNa know how you can get in touch with us to tell us everything. We got wrong I'm already anticipating nine mean tweets about calling snake leaf snake weed. So you can crocked cross that off your list already but we want to hear from you All of your thoughts and theories about this episode about series in general. How it's GonNa wrap up and you can do that. A couple of different ways you can rate and review us in the I tuned store. You can leave a comment on the page at poster RECAPS DOT COM. But probably the best way is to get at us on twitter and you can find me on twitter at haymaker. Hattie you can find me at a Mike Bloom type. At the thing that we're super receptive for is a canonical connections especially in episode like this. Which obviously has a lot of call backs? We've experienced this throughout the car. That really the call backs can be from literally anywhere at any point in time just during the conversation between Troy and Soja apparently the music was a remix of the original. Romulus theme from the episode. I think it's balance of terror. So really call outs can come from anywhere and trek kid and considering how voluminous it was let us know you know if you make any sort of Easter Egg. fines especially as eastern ears. Yeah I mean I mean it's lent right now so the Easter eggs are going to be coming fast and furious and especially I think I think Mike and I individually have our own pockets of expertise for the star. Trek Universe is concerned. But we don't have the huge both deep and broad knowledge. So we appreciate your help anywhere. You can point that out and it's been really fun so far hearing from you and hearing all your theories and finding all those little tiny so we hope you will continue to do that and so with that. 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Wonderful! 124: Oh Boy, Hoop and Stick!

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Wonderful! 124: Oh Boy, Hoop and Stick!

"Hi this is Rachel mcquarry hello this is Griffin mcelroy and this is wonderful ocean wave. Oh this is recorded on the boat. We're reporting from the boat. Hey everyone this is griffin and Rachel reporting to you from the boat with all the High Menaka purpose and this is a huge development and a lot of people are talking about this. An octopus has found. Its way onto the ship that Rachel are on. And I don't WanNa scare anyone. I don't WANNA freak out. Because they look so weird because all arms in the slime and no bones but what's great about activist though? What's at four hugs. That's true? Yeah or like a Christian side hugs is one way of thinking about it. Which would be totally dealt with those Christians? Were not pulling you towards that very large beak that. It's got where it's but should be. Are you sure about this? One Octopus okay. Who Am I to tell you? Your Business Ron about right now. We're not like when we record this. We're not on a boat right now but when you hear this we should be on about so just believe. Make believe with us in space. What do you think we're doing right now? Oh like when this is us doing bodas what are Bodas doing? I mean I am probably eating. You know a French fry. Because I'm bad Rachel Nickell Roy. Eating FRENCH FRY. Yeah I'll probably have me a few French fries our on the Joe Cruise the Jonathan Coulton cruise to be specific and just based on my experience from doing it for the first time last year. I'm probably Just grabbing just too many desserts they have a big open salad bar situation. They have a handful of different desserts. I don't WanNa miss out on one of them desert so grab one and then the other and then the other lot of flawn call boy is do not find the flawn bucket. I don't remember the flawn. Open up the drawer in the desert wiggle. That just wiggles out there. It's a weird ship. Cool ship having a fun. Time Octopus notwithstanding and we have a show to do griffin wish. You're here and living this dream with us. Do you have any small wonders Rachel? You know I'm going to say vanity license plates. Sometimes it's just a treat. Yeah just if you got like a couple initials together us to spend your time in traffic trying to figure out what they spell out you know. Yeah sometimes it is sort of a fun little rebus that gives you and I'm into that. The Best I think I ever saw was still during Travis's Bachelor party in Cincinnati when we were driving to the liquor store and saw hot boy boy is either hot boy or Hot Boys Z. May Have Been Hot boys. Wow that made us so excited what does it. I mean I know what it means but it could possibly mean that on your car. That's very confident of Yale. I have been talking. I don't have. I don't think I have one. I think I have one. You talk about frozen food. Why would I talk about frozen food? I mean you like it. Yeah is usually small under. It's pretty small. It's nice to it's nice when the foods frozen. And because when you do that it's sort of like fucking krono locks it right and a little time. Q. Like you have this you know some chicken thighs and your you just get in their in their fridge for a day. And you're I'M NOT GONNA have time to cook those this week. Let's lock them in the Krona Cube. And then you can return to a time when they were not frozen in the future. It's pretty amazing. If you really think about it big bonus. We may have just gotten a new freezer that we're both very excited about. My plan is to start doing some bags. Freeze them and then during the week you just give them suckers little bath. What they're waiting held him accountable to this plan. Because I support it. I want you to join me in this fucking lifestyle. WanNa see it happen. I you you WANNA my theory. I think you're afraid of the vacuum sealer. I think you'd think you I live in a little bit. Yeah sure let's let's dive into that. What scares you about the vacuum-sealed which is an important part in this movie process I you know I'm just worried that the bag the bags going to combust in on itself creating a a black hole in our kitchen. Well the good news is that happens while it's in the bath. You're making soup pivot. This is a new character. You're making soup. It's fun character. I'm going to start this week. I go I okay. My first thing is I wrote this in my excitement and it's hard to change the meaning of it I wrote good ass packaging which could also read as good ask packaging which I guess is nice pair of pants a nice pair of jeans that just frame your caboose pretty nicely but no. I'm just talking about like good packaging which is shameful topic because I don't do not enjoy unnecessarily wasteful. Ask Packaging Right. You should talk about the Game Splendor. That is so perfect. Splendor is for sure in my notes. You know get to splendid okay. Good zillow spoiler. I guess we'll talk about splendor here in a little bit Yeah there's enough trash in the world as it is right so I don't like just when you open up a big thing and it just got a little thing in it and it's like guys come on. You can do better than this recyclable materials. Those are all right. Hey we made this outta dirt. We made this dirty newspapers and Mike L. COOL. It doesn't smell bad so that's good that you've done that honorable mention to like consumer electronics. That has good packaging and it a fairly like efficient way. I think apple is probably the standard bearer in this in this regard because apple products are so like about the packaging there so about like the experience of opening them up and everything is like so thought out and considered say those. Those ear buds could probably be in a smaller. You think the ear buds could be in a smaller. They could be all smaller guy. I mean they're really only like the size of like a like a half dollar. Yeah but they come in a pretty small when you get them in a phone like wrapped up sort of in the bottom of the box. I have for sure like accidentally thrown those away before I don't know but you get it and it's like the phone it's a little coffin and you pop that out and then there's a little hole you tuck your finger in and pull it and then there's the instruction book right there in the chargers in its own little cavity like it's also like thoroughly thoughtful and and just meticulously designed and. I dig that. The the oculus quest the headset that I got the box comes in just gorge just as gorged just slick blackbox and you pop it out. And it's this little molded thing. That looks exactly like the headset slots right into little holsters for the different controllers. That really does it for me. I like a good ass package. Okay I don't I think what makes me really savor. The flavor of a good package is how bad clam shell packages are yes anytime. There's a clam shell package in my life. Like I hate that and it's it's become less. I don't think I'd that many packages that are clam shell anymore. Like I'm trying to think. Lamb that open one but then toys toys toys are like the last bastion but even toys are like toys. Have these little. If you have not bought a toy for a child lately. A lot of them have changed to sort of like cardboard based solutions and instead of having like those annoying little twist ties like plastic wire wraps around the toys safety measures toys when you buy them online and they don't have to worry about those safety measures. Just have these little black circles on the back that you just kind of twist ninety degrees in the toy. Just pops out is pretty Rad. And they did not have that shit when I was a kid but clam shell. Packages are an absolute nightmare in two thousand nine over six. This is a long time ago but it was the most only thing about it over six thousand cases of people being admitted to emergency rooms or with with cuts or puncture wounds from clam shell packages. Oh my gosh. Christmas Day is like a fucking bloodbath man because bad packages that are just like designed to keep people from stealing fitness store. But really like you just took the clam shell package to your jacket and go home and cut your hand open. Opening is still got stolen. Like you've just you know hurt them or whatever as Rachel has suggested for me. The Pinnacle of this is board game. Packaging and boy. How do you could do much worse than splendor? Splendour is a game where you I think we've talked about on the show it's A. It's like a monetary ladder building game. Where you collect gyms and buy cards to make it easier to buy more gems and you win. And all the gyms companies like these little tokens the have a nice half in each one. Has its own slot like holster. Everything perfectly fits in all the components all like feel really really good when you get like a new board game and then you put it back in the box. And it's just a mess you know like a game of monopoly. Money in the cards are all over the place. This has like little slots for perfect and a like like clam. Shell packaging like this thing like like you said about monopoly game of life for me. The worst was we were obsessed with hero quest growing up which was yeah. I think Milton Bradley is like a board game indeed take from. Gosh probably the eighties early nineties. And it had all these little intricate components that you could punch cardboard. I love that Shit. All the flying frog games so like last night on Earth have those nice thick cardboard sheets that you punch the shit out of like. I've always loved that. But in hero quest like they had one little flimsy cardboard divider you could use to keep things separate and it didn't even last like one game and then it was just fucking like nerd salad in their disaster in there and it is completely inscrutable. The reason I like thought about this is because at my desk. I got the this. Rpg quest that our friend. Chris Plante helped make. It's like just this slick black box. It doesn't need to be on my desk. I should put it in our like board games but like it just looks just looks. Nice the open and it's got some Nice Art on it with all the cards that live in there. I just like a good box Fox. I'm not even that organized. A person in real life which is maybe why I need my you know my products. Ione to sort of take care of that. Simplifies it for you? Sorry this goes here so like I like a package that serves as like an ongoing case ongoing sort of storage solution instead of something you just like tear up and throw away but yeah. I appreciate a good package especially when I think about how just awful it used to be. I definitely remember one Christmas. I got a pair of headphones. I knew CD player. That I listened to a the soundtrack for rent and the Beatles one compilation album but I got a clam shell package with the headphones inside an opening it. I like cut through the cord with this is red. That's it that's it so again. Hey what's your first thing? My first thing is video rental stores. Okay you know. I used to work at a video. Rentals like an indie one. Now actually I thought it was but I found out later it was not when I was in Chicago. Like Ron Two thousand six two thousand seven while I was studying for the GRE. I worked at West Coast Video. Which was on and it was like it was like near Bellmont Broadway in Chicago and Apparently west coast video is like a chain. I've never heard of it before but They closed and I like to know what do I want? It closed in two thousand nine so I got in like in their last three years of how many of those vhs is did you swipe their. I didn't it didn't work very long. Okay I remember that I was actually I was let go. Home Bay I requested a lot of personal time in. That really was Thomas Merle. Your boss now Ripa M- now now I was one of like four employees and we all worked by ourself and they didn't close till midnight little sketch. Yeah occasionally the manager would work and he would always grant me the time off and then one time. When I was out of town he called me and left voice mail and was firing you. Yeah just like you're not present enough and we really need somebody who has more available time. I'll make sure to return those videos. You have checked out like you can't even use their services anymore. Well when you're an employee just take stuff out but yeah I I enjoy my short time. There okay We did have a room of pornography which was uncomfortable for me Just working there by myself with People coming in yeah sure But Hey I was there when Charlie and the chocolate factory with Johnny. Depp came out on. Dvd I put those on the shelves. That was you did that. I it a yeah. You didn't throw in the garbage now where they vote the. Dvd cases smelled like chocolate. And I don't know if I was just imagining I think you may have had a sort of head situation But I have always. I have always liked video rental store. Okay and it's obviously not something you see a lot of anymore. No the ones that are still around or kind of like impressive places. Yeah they're boutique and cool like I heart iheart video you. It's actually called. I love video just as a heart and so I always call that IHEART. Volkan video is another place here in Austin. Yeah for sure. Justin worked at blockbuster for awhile and famously talked about why he was like in the sort of dark days he got into but it was like two blocks from our house. So just I was I. I went there every in the summer. I went there every single day. I like really really likes the blockbuster video so I wanted to tell you a brief story about blockbuster okay which is kind of just the origin of blockbuster which was The first store opened in Dallas in nineteen eighty-five with an inventory of eight thousand tapes And they started video game rental in nineteen eighty seven interesting. That's early. Yeah shortly after that Hollywood video opened. Did you have a Hollywood video in your town? We had one within like a stone's throw the time like I definitely went to Hollywood. Video gets yes we did. We definitely got some stuff. I think it was on the way to church. There was a Hollywood video video out of the way until like when blockbuster didn't have the tapes we craved. There were also rental opportunities that like grocery stores. Do you remember this. Your cash restore absolutely while to think about. It is strange to think about how they I remember. Actually we got a copy of Yoshi story for the Nintendo sixty four that we rented from a grocery store and then they stopped doing rentals while we had it like we. Do we keep wake onus and the answer to that was they never came looking for it so yes. So here's what's interesting about Hollywood video so in one thousand nine hundred ninety five Seles in ten years after they open blockbuster filed a lawsuit against Hollywood entertainment for hiring five former blockbuster employees that they alleged had trade secrets could be used to better their sales gracie. Mata's pretty wild. I don't think lock that down block but like give the gave these people some good time. Hollywood video we had one hundred seventeen stores where blockbuster had twenty eight hundred. Well I mean you. Can't you got if you see a pretender to the throne? You can't let them Accrue Power Hon. You got to squish them down beneath your big blockbuster boot in May nineteen ninety five. The judge ruled in favor of Hollywood video stating the blockbuster failed to demonstrate irreparable harm as a result of the hiring. Yeah what were the trade segers that they could possibly okay so we do them. We put them in a box. Yeah and it does alphabetical order. There's a barcode on the box. You could scan the Barcode to checkout the tape. We copyrighted that. We encourage people to rewind the video. A here's another thing. I didn't know in two thousand blockbuster turned down a chance to purchase net flicks for fifty million dollars googlers net flicks for a while like wasn't wasn't you know the big thing and so. I think blockbuster was like more not going to take a risk on Netflix. Thank you yeah. Well I imagine blockbuster was just like in this place. Where they're like. Well we'll just do a net flicks luster was going to start their own rental Streaming thing and it just never took off at its peak in two thousand and four blockbuster more than nine thousand stores In two thousand four also there was a hostile takeover attempt of Hollywood video by blockbuster so okay so that was worse. So they were so fucking focused on like the other kingdoms vying for the rental game thrown that they didn't notice the fucking net flicks dragons like flying. Could just eat your sheep and Shit. What I think is interesting. Hollywood video did eventually agree to a buy out by movie gallery which was actually a small or fucking done dry bus. We don't want your money. Petty Little McCain's idea yeah. I had a friend that worked at Hollywood video and their big thing was that the employees dress like ushers like they all warlike these white button down shirts this. I mean a memory serves blockbuster had kind of Like a best buy motif going. I feel like I feel like justice. Had to wear a blue shirt and khaki at arm. Yeah Definitely Yeah Best. Buy Employees Yes. So here's the thing so blockbuster closed remaining stores in two thousand thirteen At this point there were only Four thousand rental stores in the country. Okay right now. There's only one video rental chain still around and that's family video family. Family video of course have not heard of family video. They had they so they haven't mostly in the Midwest and in rural areas family there are some in Texas to actually okay was it. Is it just like blockbuster? Do they have mostly sort of like Kirk Cameron based affairs? I mean they have everything. Okay they have seven hundred locations in the in the country. The Fuck Yeah family video. I mean again. Mostly in Midwest and rural areas so far they haven't net flicks hasn't like leave a lot of discounts kids rentals or free and they have certain days of the week where things are like a dollar okay like their whole thing is like cost savings. So here's what's interesting about them. Still being around part of it is that they own their properties and they lease it out to other vendors So you'll see a lot of family videos that also have third party tenants including pizza places fitness places water vendors as They have licensed real estate to more than five hundred. Third Party tenants. That seems like a good little lulls scam. They've got going on. Yeah so what they would do. Is they produce? Inside reducing size is the demand went down and lease out that space to another company. That's pretty good. Do It in like a card dealer. Shera A. Auto Body Shop and then people like getting their oil change. They have to sit there and chill for an hour and a half. And you're like hey you seen handcock. We got it on. Dvd for three ninety nine. Speaking of chilling yeah the new Family Video Third Party. Ted Venture is CBD. I was going to make a joke about that. So the president of Enterprise Development and highland ventures which is family videos parent corporate parent? Right said quote. There are a lot of people that you see to relax. And Guess What? That's what a lot of people use movies for cool. Yeah sure one of those also probably does the job that same guy that same President of Enterprise Development said They're coming in to buy CBD and then they go have been in a video store in a long time and then they set up an account. I I love the gumption right like we gotta stay in Business Somehow. This is the new thing we're going to be on top of it. It doesn't help it like if you do feel like doing something. Nation renting a video. There are literal vending machines. That do that Shit. Outside of like every is the. I didn't look into red box but I mean that's still definitely thing right. Yeah it's a huge thing but You know a lot of the articles I read An. It's true like going into a video. Store is a real like adventure and browsing. Oh yeah you know like they made the point in the articles like when you go to a streaming service often you kind of have to know what you're looking for you know whereas if you go in a video store you can see it's like a bookstore you see the cover in your company. I do want to see that. It's the whole argument for specialty brick and mortars of like. It's the record store argument of like people. Enjoy this media. And there's a community around it. I think maybe movies are so morpheus whereas like vinyl has seen around it but this conversation right now is really putting into games because game stop is like really faltering because everybody's moving to digital everybody's like buying their games online but like they're still this community people who just like like going to a game store and talking to other people about games and looking at games trying like pivot around that to stay alive. Yeah so like in ten years like who knows if everyone will have gone away of blockbuster. Yeah I don't know I don't know I haven't we toys R. US. They had own sort of follies. But like it fucking sucks that we cannot take Henry Toy story. I mean we have some some cool toy stores here in Austin but like now ones that have a billion different spiders menino like Henry. Yeah that's the thing. Henry likes those those characters those bran characters but we can be like but this is. This is the wooden walking dog little rubber feet and they slap against the ground. Us You push him down the sidewalk. Here's a no this is an artisanal hoop and stick. You're GonNa Love Hoop and stick you play with it. Read like Spiderman. Oh you've thrown hoop and stick into the street where it was hit by a truck and you're just screaming patrol lattice. Well let's ask. Excuse me you pop patrol now. They have a doll. That looks like Frederick Niche but it sticks to your fridge I know I understand. That's not the same as Marshall domination with the fire hat. Yeah do have any transformers. 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Life has been insane these past two years and I wouldn't have been able to face it with anyone else. You are the Griffin my Rachel Berry to my loop and the SAM to my Frodo. I love you so much. Let's go watch that Jonathan frakes video again now. Which one is that he do. You know who Dr Anne frakes was no. He was commander Reicher on Star Trek the next generation but he also is the host of Osh. It was that show unexplained mysteries. Oh God if show you a picture of this man sitting at a table looking at like a skull or old thome with a magnifying glass and also there's fog behind him you'll be like. Oh that there is a Jonathan frakes. He sits in the chair funny. Does he turn around and sit backwards? No throws his leg over it when he goes to sit down and he's star Trek Man. Who Does that? He has had a beard on fuck beyond beyond belief beyond police factor fictional. Jonathan frakes this Jonathan frakes. I'm talking about DC. Jonathan frakes. Oh you know I had a friend. 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My next thing is a bit more serious than good as packaging. It is a book. That is very important to me. It is a book by Dave. Eggers called a heartbreaking work of staggering. Genius have you read it? Yeah Yeah I feel like it was a lot of folks in our generation like red because the year it came out it was like the hottest shit ever. I read it a few years after it came out but I boy book really really really speaks to me. It is a memoir by Dave Eggers. Who is very prolific writer? He's written a lot. I've read a ton of his stuff like You shall know our velocity and Zeh tune and he wrote the circle which they made a movie adaptation out of with Tom. Hanks at NC. Because I read some of the book and didn't really click with but he also was one of the founders of Sweeney's and eight to six Valencia which then became what is eight to six nation wide. It's like the kids writing sort of workshop thing But this this like where I became familiar with. His stuff is heartbreaking work of staggering genius if not read it or heard of it. The book is a memoir about how in his early twenties. Both of his parents died. They passed away due to cancer within weeks of each other. I think thirty two days of each other. You know obviously completely unrelated. It's just like how it happened. At the time he had other family siblings and his youngest brother Christopher who he calls toaff was eight years old and so the he becomes sort of like this defacto caretaker for his his brother and they moved to California and they stay in a series of rat hole apartments with the inheritance that they get and they just tried to put the life together following this like pretty profound up rooting that their family all goes through together and I can tell you that description. If you haven't read the book like you can probably write it in your head. What that book looks like and feels like but the reason it is so special to me and the reason it really resonated with me is because it was not that it was not there is not like a lick of self indulgent melodrama to it. It's very funny. It's very funny book. Because he's a very very funny writer and that that humor touches on the one of the things that like really really Meant a lot to me was like that. It's not just sad going through something. Like it is obviously heartbreaking and very very difficult in that regard but it's also like very confusing. There's a lot of there are a lot of feelings that sort of a company. A loss like that and a lot of those feelings. Are you know complicated? But they are also wildly self involved and guilt inducing and he doesn't shy away from that in the book and it it it lends to it a humor and also an authenticity that you just instantly by like this real person writing about the real stuff that they were going through because it is not played up for four melodramatic and just. I like really put a put a face on that. The RE releases of the book starts with like this forty page intex which you like is the version. I read had this. This huge index that is all written for laughs and most of it is written for written about like the major themes of the book and its peak like Dave eggers comedy shed the very first thing that he dives into steel yourself because it sounds kind of terrible at first blush is what. He calls the unspoken magic of parental disappearance. And Like I. I WanNa read that explanation that he has in the book but just to like cushion the blow a little bit like Inouye as the theme of this book. The book itself like celebrating. Yeah that his parents died or like really making light of it at all. It's more of a recognition of like. How profound a change. This is unlike anything like he had ever known. Before and very few things in your life ever will be so. I WanNa read that entry in the annex because it is kind of incredible The unspoken magic a parental disappearance. It is every child's and teens dream. Sometimes it's born of bitterness. Sometimes it's born of self pity. Sometimes one wants attention. Usually all three factors play a part the point is that everyone at one point or another daydreams about their parents dying and about what it would be like to be an orphan like any PIPPI longstocking or more. Recently the beautiful tragic Naves of Party of five one pictures in place of the love. Perhaps unpredictably given and more often withheld by one's parents that in their absence. That love and attention would be lavished upon that the townspeople once relatives ones friends and teachers. The world around would suddenly be swept up in sympathy and fascination for the orphan child that his or her life would be one of celebrity mixed with fame sprung from tragedy. The best kind by far most daydream. Some limit and this aspect of the book will intimate that it is just as it was in. Pippi at it is in real life thus incomparable loss begets both constant struggle and heart hardening but also some unimpeachable rewards starting with absolute freedom interpret -able and of use in a number of ways and then it goes on and says that loss is accompanied by an undeniable. But then of course guilt inducing sense of mobility of infinite possibility having suddenly found oneself in a world with neither floor nor ceiling. I that's really well done. Yeah it walks a pretty fucking fine line. I feel like of of like exactly what I'm talking about so I read this book like four months or so after my mom died and I was when that happened. I was like a couple months out from graduating high school. So that is already like a pretty fucking tumultuous time right like it is arguably like the time where you're facing down the biggest sort of like change in your life you're facing down like and it's it's scary but it is also like super exciting because your life has been this one thing this whole time and now it's about to be completely different thing And so like I went through. I went through this while also going through that and so while it was such devastating time. I didn't really have anybody or anything that was telling me like by the way you're gonNA feel other shit too like it is going to be. It's going to be confusing and it's going to be like they're going to be things about it that there will be some sort of like Excitement feels like a terrible way of putting it but just like looking forward and having no idea what comes next is like a thing where like I think. Part of your brain can't help but trying to fill it in with good and positive shed. Yeah and you know I feel like leading up to that. And during that like a lot of people are just telling you like your address in sackcloth and ashes and be sad for the rest of your life and so when. I read this book and it had all of these like really genuinely entertaining but also like super thought provoking things to say about these like super confusing like yes selfish feelings. But they are universal feelings like it made me. It was an enormous step in like the the grieving process for me to like. Get this take from this book that I had gotten from nowhere else and so like I have lots of books that I love lots of books that I would say are better books like books that I think are classics and books that I reread from time to time but like I've never had a book that like was that like instrumental to me at the point that I read it and I've actually never gone back and reread. Yeah there's a part of me that's like kind of scared to do it. I'm Kinda scared to do it right like I don't know if aged well. I don't know if the tone of aged well I have like I have some memory issues from around that time so like there are parts of it that I don't remember but I think it is telling that like there's a lot of stuff I don't remember from them but I do. Actually remember a few excerpts from the book like this thing about the unspoken magic of parental disappearance. There's like a weird third of the book than like becomes a memoir dabbles into like magical realism from time to time and also a third of the book is an interview. That book Dave Eggers does trying to get on the real world and author. Dave Eggers like speaks to him through the fourth wall about like him being selfish forgot about Dick. And for being an exhibitionist and the like opening the new index kind of explains by the way there's going to be a really extended segment where he auditions for real world. And you kind of just got a bear with it. So yeah it's weird I don't I I say book I can't think of another piece of media that I hold in this like place that I hope this one that I might kind of scared to go back to because I don't understand that affect it but yeah just WanNa about that because I don't. I don't think I talk about books very much on this show in. This is the one that is like four. Sure the most sort of lake meaningful to me. Yeah now I remember when we were getting to know each other you talked about. That is the book. That was most significant to yeah. Yeah for sure What's your second thing? God I hope it something like Doritos just a youth or boy. I want you to know what this feels like. So every show we were talking about Onomatopoeia. Okay and so. I wanted to talk about that but specifically in other languages well so you know how there are certain words used for for like noises. They use different words another language. Yeah for sure I always think that's super interesting. Okay just for like frame of Reference A word like a chew for Sneeze here in English and Japanese is Hukou Shaw. Okay and German is hockey. That one's not be okay if I'm going to rate them. The best actually like onomatopoeia attic interpretation. I think of Japan on this one because that's how cheese a good one chew but I don't end it. I don't go I G. I think my shits more like an adult now. So here's the thing so people that study linguistics talk a lot about this because there's no clear reason why this happens There's been no rigorous studies done on this across cultures but people cite what they call the bow. Wow theory which is the the idea. That language has originated around the country as an imitation of natural. Sounds so depending on where you were in the world you kind of build consensus around a particular interest dogs. You're saying like dogs don't speak a different language rights of that sound. Is it in a way? Well Yeah it's this idea of like you're in a region and everybody just kind of agrees in that area. This is how we articulate that sound and then another part of the world people are doing the same thing at some point in Germany though. Somebody went like and somebody went. Did you just say Hachi like this guy is saying Hachi over so there's a really cool book James Chapman Who completed his? Phd created. A Tumbler and then ended up releasing books. All illustrating this so there is a guide to on my appears around the world and a web comic called sound moles which is specific to animal noises in other languages so oink here in Germany is grunts grunts G. R. U. N. T. Z. Faulk yeah great. That's really good so he did a little like cartoons just kind of like here's a pig and here's what the pig says and other countries bronzes better like that. Yeah Pixel say oink. Hey I'm just thinking about it. Never heard go on point and yeah. They can't do so. I have some other ones. Okay knock knock which we do here for like knocking on a door in Polish is puck. Ma'am that's good too. It's fun it is fun Ring Ring for a phone in Portuguese is trim well balanced difficult right because the sound of a receiver is different right. Like if you if you place a phone call to blake somewhere in Europe like the ringing noise that you hear is that actual phone itself in their home sound says made the people people make the bells and shit inside a phones right like it's not like knocking on a piece of wood like that's that's like just in a way that's interesting so so getting to the real like rich like cartoon. George Onomatopoeia so bang like if you were to like shoot somebody in a comic strip and it said Bang English. It would say pen in French. P. A. N. Which sounds a lot like bread? Yeah Bang in Spanish is PUM P. Um Okay I could see that. Maybe a silencer something. So yeah if you look up. James Chapman and Either sound moles or sounds all around a guide to Onomatopoeia around the world. You'll see some of these In the illustrations. They're really cool. Yeah I I just. I've always thought that was interesting. Like windows and French class. I remember like learning. You know what different animals would say watching these little videos. And just like Oh. That's funny yeah. I think that's not what we say. Best delightful it's it's really a part. It's like a facet of linguistics. I've never thought about before. Is THE WORDS. We base on not concepts actual sort of thing. The actual natural things like it's. It's like a kid to mathematics in that right like mathematics is set. There's no difference in mathematics between languages and there's also a difference in do dogs make different noises in different countries. I read a lot about the different. Like we have a lot of different things here like we have rough and bow right And similarly across the globe there's different things. Although the one thing I noticed with cats it's almost always version of meow. Well cops and cats have locked down Catholic. Cats know their sound but there was a suggestion that like depending on the like deep of the bark. You might see like different words used for it. I saw a tick tock today. I want to talk now but I saw a tick tock somebody posted on facebook okay. So that's where I'm at and it's it's one of those of like. Hey look at what this cat is saying. Sounds like words by swear. It sounded like the cat was saying. I hurt my butthole. How was sending blew out? My butthole is so fucking God. Hey guys show it to. You GotTa show that to you now. I gotTA show you that I have so many I feel like recently. I've been like I gotta show you that I never do. I gotta show you long man. We talked about that yesterday. That's a small wonder long long man. It's good shit. Hey do you want on our friends at home? We're talking Nicolas says my small wonder is bringing in all the groceries in one trip. This always made me feel like some sort of powerful hero and I was little and it still does today plus back then the faster. I helped get groceries end the faster. I could get back to unpleasing whatever video game. I had paused to help. She ever like carry a bag one finger. Ooh I mean Yeah I. I was very much in Nicholas. His camp here where you know we were a family of five and so mom would like bring home a bunch of groceries in plastic bags and I would just fuck in beast mode. Bee's moded out. They didn't WanNA. I didn't WanNa do that like I didn't want to be doing chore so I just like I like loaded up and probably family of five. I can't imagine how much food you haven't that house. We tore that shutdown man. We went wild on it. Megan's has my wonderful thing is parking lot guardian angels when you're scouting for parking in a crowded lot and someone walking out to their car notices you waves you over to take the spot. They're about to leave warms. My heart to see people help each other out in such a simple yet. Beautiful Way. That's so nice is nice. I love people just like doing a good deed or like when Saturday takes your grocery cart from you a little corral. And they're like here. I'll just take because I need one. Yeah this also makes me think about your dad that time that we went to trail lights here in Austin and we waited on this one spot where somebody was like pulling out real slow and someone tried to snipe that spot at the last second and your mom and dad like jumped out aren't even saying we didn't say anything. They both jumped out of the car. And if you knew ratios parents like I do not think I am spartacus. Moment for my parents. It was no communication. They just both through themselves. No I do not believe so I do not believe so thanks to bow in. August is for the theme song. Money Won't pay can finally to that new episode description and thanks to maximum fun. Hey guess what starts next week? It's the next fund drive. We're gonNA tell you all about it when it kicks off but Yeah for the next two weeks starting next Monday. We will be doing our annual pledge. 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Star Trek | Lower Decks Season 1 Recap & Discovery Season 3 Preview

Post Show Recaps

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Star Trek | Lower Decks Season 1 Recap & Discovery Season 3 Preview

"Star Trek lower deck's is over, but we're just getting started here on post show recaps. My Name Is Jessica lease and I've got my phasers set to fun. And I'm not, GonNa, take credit for that line that was a line that they used to use it the Star Trek experience in Las Vegas. But anyway, moving on with me as always is my trustee number one Mr Mike. Bloom. It's good. It's felt like nine, hundred, thirty years since the last time we talk star. Trek. Excluding these star Trek brain steel we did though it honestly has been what like Six months really since we last talk star Trek, which is crazy to think about because literally galaxies of things have happened since but we're here talking about not one but two CBS all access star Trek shows as one ends one begins. It's true but I, I couldn't figure out like maybe I should have started off the podcast by saying star. Trek lower deck's is over and Star Trek discovery is just getting started. Yeah. Exactly. Like this is sort of I. Mean it's interesting programming because I think you know we experienced this before with like the first season of the short treks were in like one month increments bleeding into star trek discovery season two but this is the first time we've really had outside of all the TNG G. D. S.. Nine voyager stuff without is currently airing of one series leading right into the other. They've really advertised the twenty three weeks of straight trek. So that's one reason I think why were coming in here with a recap of lower deck's instead of episode at coverage, but suffice it to say in my opinion I think no matter what your comment about the quality of the show which will certainly get into they certainly packed ten episodes of Star Trek lower deck's with basically a thirteen episode hour long show that his discovery. It is certainly true. There is enough in there but I think we've kind of over the years. As post show recaps has found its voice I think we've discovered that it's very, very hard to episodically recap comedy and I think watching the entirety of the series. I got the I really got why we don't ever do that It's it's really tough outside of you know saying, well, that was funny. I really enjoy or that wasn't funny I did not like that it's it's tough to base criticism or just conversation around, and there's a reason why you know the Seinfeld podcasts worked so well, primarily because it was about banter and less. So about actually talking about the comedy itself because I mean I guess what we can largely. Surround this podcast with at least the lower deck's per discussion actually comes down to that metric because I know you and I had a couple conversations when we were talking about building up to this podcast and our opinions are very rarely split. But at least at the time as we were talking, they were divergent in that I think that lower deck's is a supremely funny show and you at least at the time we I spoke we're not a big fan of it. Honestly I've my. F- softened my opinion I think my first actual and as soon as I say this like ten people are going to shut off their podcast immediately but bear with me The. First reaction to this when you asked me, how do I like it? I literally said I hate this show. And I have softened a little bit. It does pick up some steam, the season progresses but. At the time that you and I had talked I. Think I was four episodes deep and I was really not a fan and I would not go as far as say I think that this is brilliant and hilarious and I wish there was more of immediately but. I there are places where I think it succeeds and then a play a lot of places where I think it could have done a lot better and we'll get into it as we go along. But Y- I wanted this to be better than it was that into my feeling interesting. Yeah. So I I mean I'm GONNA come out and say my own sort of brazen opinion on the other side of the spectrum, which is that even one season in I think of the new twenty tens at CBS. All Access Era Star Trek shows this is my favorite personally and I think that also comes down to like my own sensibilities. I was a bit of Johnny come lately to the Star. Trek franchise because growing up it was too heavy and dramatic and wordy for me even as a kid or a teenager I'm like I don't WanNa Watch that stuff I wanNA watch cartoons. My favorite show of all time is the simpsons and so when a show comes around, that combines the things I like. About Star Trek with the things I, love about adult animation between the creativity the over the top characterization the very quick writing it's it very much speaks to me personally, and so I can understand I mean we're GonNa talk about how it's not necessarily for everyone but I would say overall there are things that they could work on but I was very satisfied with. Lower Deck's season one where I would even say Jesse gender who is a star Trek Youtuber I've really have grown to love her work in the past couple of months I've found it. I would agree with her and that she tweeted something on the lines of you know Star Trek lower deck's might have one of these strongest I seasons of Star Trek series since. S Now look might not be saying much because this is a franchise that is not necessarily node for out of this world I seasons but I don't know I think the show particularly hit with me and what it was trying to do and I felt like it was at least a solid landing as they continue to fly the ship in a manner of speaking. Yeah I think that's I think I think you've just encapsulated exactly why it hit US differently because adult animation has to try very hard with me. And I. You know maybe it's because I wasn't allowed to watch the simpsons as a child. And came to it later in life, I can appreciate certain episodes of the simpsons for what they are but that whole genre of like Edgy snarky adult animation. It has to it has to try really hard. It has to do something really excellent for me to respond to it in the right way, and on the other hand I did spend a lot of my adolescence and most of my early adulthood. Just steeped in Star Trek mythology and I'm coming at it from I like the dark and the heavy and doesn't mean, I don't have a sense of humor in that I can't find things funny but. I am not used to stripping away all of the complicated things that I have come to love about star Trek Deep Space Nine and ten jere. Blake arguably the first true blueprints of Prestige Television and. I think maybe maybe I'm just kind of in too serious a mindset to. To, feel like this is going to. Actually I don't know what I expected out of this show. I think yeah I was I was GonNa ask you because obviously this was something not since the animated series which itself was like animated but definitely tried to still aim like the sensibilities. This is really a new frontier for like weather term for this really exploring the specific like a straight comic show in the Star Trek virus, which is something new. I think. Well I this is the time to get into this then. Yeah. I don't think this show knew what its audience was and I don't think I think it took the show too many episodes to figure out. What it was and who it was four because the first few episodes I think. Almost. They're trying to suck you into the Star Trek Universe Star. Trek wasn't your thing. It's almost I mean, we have David Wright obviously who comes from the family guy writing staff and really kind of shape the direction. You can see the blueprint family guy all over this, but you can also see like they want people that like that type of cartoon. But they also what people that like a workplace comedy and you see kind of stamps of classic workplace comedies like I I see scrubs on this I see it crowd. Yeah. Well, even like episode seven much ado about boy. Is like, okay. We're going to tackle like how to deal with friends and work, and we're going to deal with workplace injuries and Greg Star Trek ways. But like you said and I think that's also served the Ammo of the show right is like taking the like you said, the lower deck's episode proper TNG was about like let's explore what it's like for those that are still part of the adventures of the enterprise but not necessarily like those at the forefront and so I do think that at least some of the time. They do thrust these characters into the face of so much daring this point. But yeah, there are some points when they choose to focus on like such small minute things that it does hearken more to like. Early seasons of the office, for example, which is a fine thing to do. But it also the first few episodes to me didn't feel like they had a star trek voice to them and then. I think there are a few episodes in the middle there that I thought were brilliant and I wanted the whole series to be that I wanted them to be strange and twisted and sort of. A dash of the workplace comedy and a dash of like the snarky family guy humor and then a lot more star trek and we get into that. I think the the series Kinda hit its stride once we get too baggy and I don't want I. Don't WanNa drop all of our conversation about baggy right here but we we kind of. We have little kinda forays into different types of comedy that they're trying to try up until this point and it just felt very surfaced like I didn't get a sense of the universe there in I really felt like wasn't weird enough. It could have been like they could've taken the dialogue and like they dropped a little bit attract new babble in it to make trekkie. But we could have been watching the IT crowd, right? And it. Really. When they did put a little. Super Obscure Star Trek reference into the show that was when they were at their best there were. Ear Animated. So why not have your whole ship populated with people that would break your makeup budget if it were live action series I think that was great. I love that we have occasion chief medical officer I love when they go to the farm, the caption, the captured this ship isn't he does. Because that's like. That's not even regular cannon that is pure animated series and it's like, Hey, we are also an animated series and I liked that we were pulling from that universe I, like we saw Gorens. Always. Married. Even. I the Gordon Wedding looked like a party I was into that though I'm surprised. Resiliency or just like pure blindness of the Gore's that despite there being a crash ship like very close to their wedding they're still like well I guess we'll go on with it though you and I are both buried. Just we know that that's very much like a show must go on type day there was really. We don't know what Gordon Weddings are like. Maybe that's part of the ceremony they're like, Oh, good. The crash chips here let's go eat someone but I do agree that I think I still enjoyed parts of the first half of the season. But for me I think I've felt like in like with the show to in love with the show in its second half northern with episode six, which is terminal provocations because I think to your point. One of the things I do love about adult animation as I put out there is like the. Sky's the limit or even beyond spaces alignment quite literally because it's like you if you have an idea that pops into your head, you can draw it or in this case, if you use a computer to create it and you can make it happen, you don't need affects you don't need you know you. You can have people to voice things but that was truly think the first off the wall episode of the season which for those that don't remember. So the main plot of the episode is that we get introduced sort of the Barclay. Log of the Cerritos, which is Fletcher who is voiced by Tim. Robinson. Who is just like a complete f. up and unlike Barkley who like even though he socially awkward he is brilliant. Fletcher is just none of the above and he screwed things up and then we also get a holiday creation. Surprise goes crazy but it's almost takes that typical plot to like the degree with the invention of badge whose voice malevolently by Jack mcbrayer. But I, feel like all the episodes after that between the freaks between maybe my favorite episode, which is Veritas Episode Eight, which is like this weird flashback trial structure that was so interestingly to the entire Holodeck send up of all the Star Trek films and crisis point to everything surprisingly coming together and no small parts I think that the no matter what you feel about the show in general I, think the second half is substantially stronger than the first half I would agree with that Mike I. Think. Here's what I think if you look at the entire series as a whole. You can look at Veritas I would say while they were developing this the series Veritas feels like the baton ideal of lower deck's episode where they this had to what they sold like this to be the episode they brought in and said, this is what we want to do. And They should have done more like that. The problem was I would guess probably high ups. CBS. Said Okay that's great. You can do that but we need you to establish establish established. So we had four entire episodes of like Mediocre C. minus workplace comedy with a little bit of Star Trek sprinkled in. and. We didn't get to the truly bonkers stuff and like you said, they're animated. bonker stuff in every episode and they didn't go there quick enough for for my taste and certainly there are many great shows and many great comedies that take a long time to find their footing. I would say you know parks and REC being the example. Everybody uses its midway through the second season before they know what they are and so I have to give it. Some credit for dropping some really great premises on US bid season. But it was it was hard to get to that point. It was not quick enough for my taste I think that would be my chief criticism. That was probably why I was hating it at the point that I I talked to you about it and I think. had. Had Badge Ben like the second or third thing we saw. That would have been a totally different series and taking full advantage of the fact that they're animated that they can bring in. Weird stuff. And just like throw reference after reference at us like if not everybody catches them, it's okay. But it just it was kind of slower paced and the characters felt like cardboard cutouts Rodman from every workplace comedy ever. And it was not until that point that I felt like I knew them and that I felt like I knew what this, what they really wanted to do because I think they had to do a lot of stuff they didn't want to do in those first four episodes yet. We can certainly talk about the characterization I will say. To the point about maybe not there being any wackadoo stuff in the first half, the two things I could think of I mean not the Crystal Planet episode three was not like off the wall bananas, but it was sort of like a an over the top take on like those typical. Things like Oh, we worship rocks or worship this. Sad. Really that to me was like Oh were they at Rick and morty garage sale for that at the sewed. That's your. That's the thing. As well as I think Wendy I, know when the teaser first aired and like they got the pick of the first thing I'll there was a lot of calls of people being like, Oh, this really is just rick and morty and space because obviously. Mike McMahon came from Rick and Morty. The Nation style is not completely similar. You know nobody's doing like the weird w face when they're sad but three certainly similarities there But the thing that I would say, maybe the biggest call to the second half of the season from the first half of the season is an episode four during the be plot when that person finally like achieved spiritual. Ascension yeah and shit just goes crazy like, yeah he glows and then you know start seeing everything's on the back of like a giant turtle or something and it's just it's thirty seconds pure ridiculousness purposely. So but I wonder if that was sort of maybe an indicator of what was to come but I, do agree that I think especially like the first I'd say the first two episodes. Especially are all about Roy. Moore Mariners specifically of like what set up who these are. I would say definitively even though there is a main cast for this show that really encompasses not only the lower deck's but the main crew I really do feel like this is a two hander between boy Moore Mariner we'll talk about that the circumstances might change for season two based on how season ends. I I suspect we'll get to where we think season two is going to go but okay first of all thing with the back of the Turtle that was a Terry Patchett shoutout I loved that that was in there that's very fun but yeah, I think I think we maybe spent too much time separate setting up the the Mariner and boy Moore dynamic although I will say I love I love that dynamic I love that they are best friends and were not immediately going to sexual tension with them. Yeah I thought that was it was a good choice to make and one that a lesser show would have immediately had one of them developing feelings for the other one and if they can if they can just have. To header to apparently heterosexual people. Of the opposite sex not be into each other throughout the duration of the series I. think that's a win already. Yeah. I love that even lampshade that episode five right get. His girlfriend barb and there there is another path where they could go downward like that's when Mariner realizes that she actually loves boy. June this because I'm jealous. Yeah boy which Barbara says in the episode like. No no I'm just I want to protect. You know poor barb word here, which is is well in that like there is a weird friendship between the two were for a while it seems like they don't necessarily like each other's company but I think that's also against like the strength of the second half of the season where you get to see them work together more. Again going back to that story line with Fletcher and episode six. That's the rare storyline where it's the two of them working together instead of opposition to each other, and so I could imagine those first free episodes you're like, why are you to even friends you? You fundamentally believe in very different things, which is also a thing that again I feel like an episodes one and. Two they definitely had to try to underline that. Okay. Mariner is someone who like doesn't like the rules, but it doesn't mean that she's necessarily team anarchy. She just doesn't necessarily believe that all of star fleets rules needs to be followed to the letter and boy is by the book and I guess they just really had to underline that I'm glad that they sort of. moved away from that and episodes three and four and actually episodes three and four they moved more towards my opinion fleshing out the the bridge crew particularly like watching someone like, Captain. Freeman like get. So obsessed with the Serena's reputation and wanting to become the best of the fleet someone like ransom despite coming across as like Kirk mixed with Reicher and all the worst ways. Basically doing so because he's he's so hyper protective of as crew. There was some really interesting characterization that I felt like we got X. of if there's something on my wishlist for season two is that I wanna see more of that we've gotten those taken care of I want to see more from the other characters I was so excited to see like Noel. Wells and Eugene Cordero Command and I really did enjoy what ten Rutherford for brought from like beast story perspectives but I feel like those characters really did not have much depth to them and I'm hopeful that again now that they have their feet under them in season one, that can be like, okay. Season Two let's take more risks. Let's explore more sides of. Let's see new sides of Rutherford rather than just have them serve come in and be those overly chipper characters like the character of the D. character basically. Yeah. I mean that's what essentially they were. They were involved in. So many of those plots and they were they were fun I actually really did like the be plot in episode two when Rutherford's like I'm going to find a new career and it ends with him trying out all these holidays simulations. Up Killing kindergarteners over and over again. But I feel like even with the badge stuff like even when they were off on their own, we learn too much about them if it's more like things happen to them than, okay. They're going to show new parts of their personality to do things. Well, it's funny Mike I agree with you on half of that I'm I have. No idea who it is and how he would respond to pretty much any scenario. It's just a big question mark. It's like we get to watch cool stuff happened to him but I don't really know who he is ten on the other hand I know who she is but it's only because she's basically lifted from another Sitcom and died green and dropped into star. Trek. The Manic Pixie. Oh Ryan andrine girl. She's yeah. She's she's basically Elliott read from scrubs. Dropped into the middle of this star, trek show and that to me speaks to of the reasons where that I not responding to this as much as you are Mike because I see a lot of the things they're trying to do that have been done well in other series I think. We see some characters that just echo characters that we've seen in other places and I think even that mariner boy more dynamic. I would say this is not the first star trek comedy. We've ever had because we had red dwarf and we had that same. Close, relationship. Due to the fact that they're the two people that each other the most even though they're not necessarily, they don't necessarily have anything in common like that is the lister rimmer dynamic and that was something that Red Dwarf did at least for a few seasons did extremely well, and some of that dynamic I think is lifting wholemeal from Red Dwarf and given to mariner boy because it's a dynamic that works but I didn't see especially in the early episodes I didn't see a lot of newness to that. And, then you've got. I. Think Random to me was at Branagan from Futurama. But they're even more of front about like over. perte yeah. itself a Kirk parody. And that's something that I. I. Think it. It took a little bit of time to get to know. I. Think. We've really gotten to know two characters very well, and the rest of the cast sorta will but. I enjoyed meeting the bridge crew. I. Think it's interesting that a show called lower deck's still ends up spending a huge amount of time getting to know the bridge crew right and this was something else that sort of bothered me about the show which is that we really have to casts of like cast with an e you know we have a lower deck's and the bridge crew and we don't have anybody else. We literally have nobody else like there's a point where. Meredith gets promoted to lieutenant and then she practically running things. She's like senior staff already. Where are the? Where's Middle Management I feel like we need. Like billups is a little bit middle management. So what did we see him? It's like. That's the kind of joke we want to hang things on like where where are the o'briens I think asking where are the o'briens and I think billips is kind of the O'Brien of the series, but we really don't for a show that supposed to be about the people that are trapped in the bowels of the ship doing the grunt work we sure spent a Lotta time. Getting to know our bridge crew and letting the bridge crews still bring the important stories to us at even when it's like Z. Great Ship that specializes in second contact we still got that and it didn't. It didn't pivot enough into the lower deck stories. It was just like here are some people on the periphery of the interesting stories and we're still going to tell the interesting stories though I will say I. Think they were a bit sparing with how about making that bridge for like an import they the only one that I can really think of is the one story line from episode five. which is more of a C story and when it's you know Freeman trying to solve this serve like diplomatic Kobe Shoe Meru of okay. We need to blow up this moon but everyone has these different reasons why they can't do it. I do feel like a lot of the main missions having corporated the lower deck's crew into it but to your point I, mean it's it's more about. The crossing of the cast and less. So about like life inside those which I feel like they actually started off doing and it was an interesting tactic where in the first episode, they used ten sort of an audience analog to be like she's new. Let's let cheapest way to bring a series to life. Yeah. Let's let's talk through. You know what what lower and we got a little bit of it as well with like the the gap, the buffer time in episode three, but to your point I maybe it also goes part and parcel with like just going. So off the wall in terms of creativity that it is skewed a bit of like what lower deck's tradition is them hanging we got. Bits and pieces of it as recent as like episode of them, hanging around in the shuttle talking about who's better Kahn or Rogaine. Are I mean those are moments that the if you're buying into the core conceit of the show could be something to lean on. Moore instead of being like well, these are star Trek fans. So they much want it. They must want to see the bridge crew go do adventures right and I think I think it also speaks to how are we gonNA. Pull people into the world is star Trek. If this is their first star Trek, well, we know that Star Trek is about the bridge crew going on crazy adventures. So we need to bring those crazy adventures in. And I think they didn't really know whether they wanted it to be about like what is the job of somebody on Lower Deck's? Are they cleaning conference room or are they going on a cool away mission and meeting with having diplomatic meetings with new species? They don't really know and similarly they don't know what the attitude is supposed to be of someone in lower deck's I thought the buffer time episode was great but they also it does sort of bring about this sort of troubling idea that if you're good at your job and he wants to succeed and go higher. That's something that we have to laugh at and I think to their credit. They backpedaled this over the course of the season but it was like there's a couple episodes in there like especially when you first meet boiler, you like that guy wants to do. Well, it is job loser to quote the simpsons like that brought up with that man's but must have brought up its but which is the first way we meet of him being so hyper fixated on moving up the ladder that he is going to like skew maybe efficiency because I think another one of the maybe another. Reason why it resonates with me so much that I do love you know we talked about this but picard I'm I'm a sucker for this like new star trek motto of like Hey the institutions that you believe in or not perfect and I do feel like maybe one of the reasons again, why Barabas was my favorite is because that is literally the thesis statement of the. So that is boy Moore's big eleventh hour speech is like we're starfleet we're not perfect, but we're trying our best but I honestly feel like anybody out there to everyone who's proliferating social media with. Like this is my star Trek they hate, the Federation the Federation's perfect. Just look at this. It's not perfect and that's okay. They made mistakes in the past and the show is embellishing it and sort of making fun of it that episode particularly really underlines like one hand is really not know what the other one's doing and I think it's those aspects that I really enjoy. Because again, it's a satirical take on this series, which is so great but can take itself. So seriously at times, it sort of you know maybe unintentionally highlights some part about institutional worship that is not. Yeah and it was at its best when it leaned into that which it didn't always. And it was. I, think. I think it was trying too hard to bring into many different elements and and relying too heavily on archetypes that are already there when it cut breaks that down and just like looks directly at Star Trek and. Goes there with it I, think I think it's a much better show. and. There were just too many other things it was trying to do at least in the beginning and I think the more we get the more we get the ones that just hold a mirror up to star trek. I. Think the better off we'll be yeah and I think the Mariner character is interesting to your point. We've seen it a bit before with O'Brien right this person's that like yeah, I know that everyone wants to. Make their way through starfleet to send in the admiral's chair. I am fine where I am and I hope that you know we've got drips and drabs about her past as the series progressed. Her Time aboard why she purposely wanted to get demoted and I'm assuming we're going to find out more including maybe some more nine era flashbacks to come. But I, do think that what she represents is so different than outside of O'Brien of these characters that we've experienced are really look at a character like Seru. For example, who is basically a for two seasons had just been like. Staring. Eyes watering at a captain's chair has occasionally touches Kelsey, and but into that seat. But most of the time he's just when he's not in the captain's chair, he's talking about wine to be in the captain's chair as repetitive as a may have been sometimes maybe that also comes from the fact that their work different writers every episode. So they're failed to be that much of a through line, maybe other series. Did at least do a good job of like showing that part of starfleet of that person who gives an entry level position but they're so happy with it because they get to goof around with their buddies and it made mariner. What am I one of my favorite and stronger characters in there because I think starting off she became across again embiid is like chaos you know solidified we're she's GonNa. Call. With the battling, but like she almost has her own code of things I think she certainly has respect for what starfleet does to a certain extent she's just not going to be. Like you know conservatively committed, let's follow starfleet code by the book screw the prime. Directive I'm going to go down there and saw planet white issues by myself like she has her own way of following things that sort of combines the starfleet ethics with her own ethics and I think that's a fun. It's a fun character to reexamine especially in the light of a series like Picard which is a very similar thing. So she's chaotic. Good. Yeah I mean really aligning like she's chaotic. Good. Boy. Moore is textbook lawful. Good. But the interesting thing is I feel like especially by the end, Captain Freeman ends up sort of settling somewhere in the middle like she for all that we saw in the beginning of sort of like the stereotypical heart ask captain. Took some time in the both in the middle of the season and especially in the end for her to be like, yeah. This is kind of bullshit that we have to wait through all these bureaucratic hoops to jump through and I think she's also realizing on her own like the Serena's is on its own the wrong. In this system, right she's making second contact that plane at she is bemoaning the fact that she has not sent on important missions and to a certain extent I think she thinks by the end of the season like I'm going to have to go out and like. Doom starfleet it's not going to give me the stuff to do. I'm going to do my own stuff and maybe you know I might I might have to have someone else do my dirty work for me but her own very subtle character change over the episode whether that's remembering perspective or just from a purposeful arc perspective. Definitely, hit me when again episode I think sort of surprised us of this is okay. We're we're serializing this kind of in the final episode of the season. I think it was a very purposeful arc on the part of the captain because we did also get to watch mariner saved the ship several times by just like flipping a switch and doing knowing exactly what was needed, and then you have that conversation between the two of them. That's like Oh maybe I need you here to be able to do these. Things in order to help solve these problems and I did want to talk a little bit about the freemen Mariner dynamic because this is something that they joke around that we saw Wesley crusher on the enterprise, but you'd never do get this parrot child working directly. In concert with each other. In quite this way and I think one, this is another thing that I thought the writer stumbled on a little bit because they didn't make it clear at the beginning that the secret of their relationship was something that nobody knew about. Yeah it was it was very strange and you know I was just actually watching the New York con panel that they did for lower deck's and discovery, and it seemed like from the way. The Don Lewis and Tony. newsome, we're talking about that. That was purposely done by the writers of them being like, yeah. We they purposely set it up. So like like is bottomless does ransom moderate you know and that feels like a missed opportunity to me I think that's a fun way to like hang a bit of a sword of Damocles over everything of like they have this secret that nobody knows about and they have to. There's this straighten pressure of them trying to act civil in front of one another when really they sniping each other behind the scenes I agree that I think that was amiss plot wise that honestly until. I found out in the last scene of the penultimate episode. Then we're like Oh. Yeah. I guess he didn't know before him receive confirmation only that that does feel like Amiss Yeah and that is to your point of them kind of at the last minute decided to retroactively serialized the entire thing because you really did have that piece of information dropped in the first episode, and then an almost never comes up again until the end when they call back to and I thought those last two episodes especially had a lot of weird call backs that. All of a sudden. Oh, we're doing callback. Now this is the thing now and it seemed to me that they tacked those on. At the end with finally deciding that, they're going to have actual ARC's when the first few episodes were really you could watch them in any order and it didn't really seem like there was a lot of continuity to them. you get to the end and then all of a sudden. Oh look. There's the guy with the one man show that was boring mariners death when she got promoted and Oh, here we go we're going to. We're going to have a little. We're going to have a little echo of the seed where billips yells at Rutherford and then says, you know what do you think you're trying to do here? You think I'm GonNa let you go and pursue your dreams because I am because you're great and they they they echo that seat again it's like well, if you've been doing that all along if we'd been consciously calling back to things that happened in other episodes all along. This would be very funny. It would be almost brilliant but to decide that we're doing that all of a sudden was very jarring to me and I think it's the same thing with this. But this mother daughter relationship, they drop it in the first episode and you think well, it's probably going to be important and then when it's not your like, oh I. Guess it's not important and then it's like, oh, it was a big secret. Nobody ever established that that was a secret. Yeah and there was this they did drop like a mother daughter episode in there with episode four, which is all about like you know really them hitting attention point which is weird and episode nine when we sort of like hit that beats yeah. Like didn't we already do that? Yeah. I actually really liked the finale for that reason of a callback because I think that if there was something that I felt like the shoulder down a little bit too much was the member berries of it all like we'll certainly get I think there were some very fun references particularly to the. which like is my jam? There were some times when they overdid it like it's a small thing but being like. When they were on the other shipping episode five and it's like Oh this guy's password with Reicher. It just felt like sometimes they're like we need to throw a starship preference in there. So let's make it I like I like your point before of like you know more. So go for like the more obscure things actually make them relevant than just saying. Hey remember this person in this person were in the team so we can reference it. I'm obviously get into like big cameos later on I like this because I do feel like the finale was fantastically and I think maybe one of the messages they were trying to send was like yeah, we learned a lot on previous can season but now we've almost set up our own cannon. So now we can lean on and maybe it's a hopeful sign to me that like it'll be less shoehorned in A. Habitual references to star Trek plots and more. So now we can refer to things within the lower deck's universe because there is a lower deck's universe. And I think at the beginning they didn't tell us there was going to be one. So it's almost like I didn't know this was going to be on the test. And I would have watched this show very differently. I think trying to pick up those things that get called back later if we didn't go seven whole episodes in the middle without calling back pretty much anything and I think it it did hit me like even those little pieces themselves felt very member berries. And I like it better when we're just kind of organically bringing in those references and I wanna be, I wanNA have references constantly thrown at me. I want everything they do to be a reference, but I just don't want it to be like my passwords Reicher I want it to be like by Password is hot trombone master sixty nine. Yeah. Well. Look no further than the ninth episode, which I think is a really great job of just like doing so many incredible things but within the scope of like the star. Trek. Cinematic. Everything from the Abrahams e Lens Flare to having their signatures at the end invoking you know the very end credits of undiscovered country. It's a fantastic love letter, but it also exists as the skeleton not the appendix. With the body of the show exactly exactly I i. wish they were all kind of like that or the way that they brought q. into the series was kind of perfectly done exactly like avenue aware. Yeah. In the beginning like setting it up by saying, well, we could just say a Q. came through. And then having Q. Actually come through and then being like this is dumb. Why are we doing this and having it actually be John Delancey? Yes and then having the lower deck's people just walk right by him like q we don't have time for your bullshit today by. That, that to me like that's the tone I wanted the whole show to be and they didn't hit it. Until episode six at the very earliest and. I think I wanted every. I wanted every piece of this series to be that. Sure of what it what it was. So speaking of that I mean, I think one advantage of the animated piece which will come into actually with another piece of star. Trek News that I think we'll talk about later on is that you're much more likely to have characters and actors of your comeback to voice their characters right because unlike a series like star Trek. Well, you know. Brent spiner is this much older so I guess we have to figure out exactly what happened with data and we put him back in the makeup. Really manifests itself in the finale which I don't know about you. Just I don't know why I was. So shocked see animated Reicher in Troy. Jonathan frakes like you just say the word Star Trek and he says, I'm already there but I guess I just never put tuned to together that has much t and G as they would reference Q. Cameo included that they would actually put Reicher and troy in Star Trek lower. Deck's. I thought that was wonderful. I thought it. was I mean we are? It is not the first time that Reicher has dropped into a different star. Trek series. Near the end, he even makes an enterprise joke which I thought was Larry. I it's not the it's not the it's not the first time. We have seen Reicher just drop into a random star trek series as himself that it's not going to be the last I'm sure. Yeah. Earlier this year he draw. A season finale where he drops in with the Titan Saline and saves the day. It's just like. Watching an animated for this time. What if every? What if every star Trek series from here on out includes breaker saving the day at the eleventh hour I really for time. Here for it I love this idea of like maybe rikers like becomes the traveler. He just hops between different Star Trek franchises constantly swooping, and he's GonNa jump nearly a thousand years future to save discovery at the end of season three like I'm all here for for. The X. Reicher of it. All I. Don't know. Maybe it's because I thought that except for you, they've kept themselves sort of at arm's length with not bringing in those major characters and I thought it was so much fun. I mean Jonathan frakes talks about this on the I cc pod people that I talked about like he was so excited because he basically got to play Reicher the way he always wants. You, which was pompous and overblown. I feel like now being animated, he really got to lend his voice to that. Yeah, and it was great. I think he sold it a lot harder than I think he didn't card I think maybe that's just because of the animation of it all and I thought it just even even though it was something we've seen happened before in two other star Trek's raise it was still. That itself was a callback and that was that was really fun and also just kind of. A nod to the fact that. All, the Star Trek series we've seen up till now have been about the during the eighteen things. and. That then boy gets what he wants, which is to be on the eighteenth things. With somebody that we've heard of I. think that was kind of the perfect way to send him off. Yeah. So let's talk about that too because you know there's a COUPLA big game changers that happen in the finale and surprisingly speaking to that civilization one is. Voting TNG. Security Officer. Shacks is no more. He gets much more noble sendoff than Tasha Yar did pretty still he ends up getting killed officials. So that means security chief is incoming for season two, whoever that may be, but the bear obviously boiler is now on the Titan and Mike McMahon confirmed that we were going to have at least a little bit of Reicher in season two because I don't think any of US realistically think that Blair is going to be forever separated from the lower deck's crew of course not but but it's a big game changing because we thought this would be a cameo. Surprisingly recurring thing at least in the beginning of next season. Yeah I I I. Think they'll find a way to do it and they've kind of made it clear that you can. Now you can interact with people on other ships. At the time that we had people. Getting transferred off of ships in the eighties. In next generation, it was like Oh you're getting transferred off. We're never gonNA. See you again this is not like we can call each other on the phone, the space phone or anything, and now it's like well now that looks that looks foolish in two thousand, twenty because all we do is call each other on the space phone I'm trying to think of like I guess the biggest comparison I can think of if I go back to the office is season three where essentially boiler went to Stamford right and there's there's God, and so I can imagine that just like that show there just. By the first part like splitting storylines, it does seem like we are getting a completely different boiler at least in that final thing, he is so much cooler and more confident on the tight, and maybe it's because now he like actually believes himself. But if that means more interaction between between Jack Quaid and Jonathan frakes I am I am so happy no matter what boiler we get these suppose maybe got another one of those parasites. Yeah I mean that's sure. Maybe there's another lover parasite glomming onto the back of his I. Do I feel like maybe troy would get a sense of that right? Like, oh, he's in pain or Paris it. You would think. That's fun as well because due to the circumstances of aging. Anything about Reicher and Troy's time on the Titan. They were they were given that captainship in Nemesis and then we go to picard the again we're retired. Now we're making pizza and now it's like, okay because of animation we finally get to see what happens in between. So that's that's a fun little part of Canon that we get to explore as well, and maybe that'll informed why they ended up retiring maybe boiler drives them to targeted an early age who's to say, well, there you go. We have we have many ways that this could play out. We just said we don't know how it's going to play out and we thought of several ways that it. Could. So that's better than just like giving us a total brick wall or assuming that we're just gonNA drop in back on the CERITA after one episode. Next season I think it's I. Think there's a lot of possibility here and I think it will be a lot of fun I. I'm expecting at least one reicher pizza joke. Yeah. I want him to be sitting in the mess hall eating very tiny pizza and trying to share it with people. Yeah and then you could imagine like we did get the five, six, seven eight but I want to see a trombone recital that forces everyone to go to at whatever their version of ten forward is on the Titan. Yeah he's probably got his own one man show at this point. Yeah, exactly. So I'm excited to see more of that. This does not mean to become like much like how Captain Pike became such a big part of Star Trek discovery season. Do I don't think we need that with rancor but I think some flavor of him is going to be a lot of fun bringing that common Sorta Warford nine bringing a commonly known element into what is still a very new show even though now we have season under its belt or O'Brian with ds nine for that matter up. Very true. I well, here's my question. Then who do you think you'd like to see from the Star Trek Universe next season who that's a good question I mean it's just because I do feel like the TNG cast always gets a lot of law from it being like the most popular show but also the most jovial cast and I wonder if they could bring some some S. nine people you know I think that maybe I would not be surprised especially from mariners perspective if like she had done stuff with work before. We do have a Farang. You reference in the second episode. I think you could definitely get Armand Shimmer men in. Mike. I think I think you can't get him anymore. Oh No I think you're thinking of. Aaron. Eisenberg. Oh. Yeah. Arm Shimmer met is still alive. There is a lot of Frankie's that kind died all at once. So I think he's still still get Armand Sherman which I think happy. A lot of fun I'm trying to think of I mean maybe like I would say, seven seven of nine already got the picard thing going on I don't want to necessarily double dip. But since we're you know starting to bring in voyager people maybe maybe the doctor I'm sure we could get Robert Cardo sure to do like a hollow thing especially since we with the Rutherford of it all but can keep getting into more of that hollow mischief. I like that and I felt like. There were so many subtle nods to nine in there I think we can get. We could pack in a little bit more ds nine there. I mean just even just having having shacks be a Bajarin yeah was very fun and. One of the things that made me laugh the hardest was married or running into the guy she went out with that turned out to be a conspiracy theorist three, five, nine was an inside job. Yeah, and then he's running away and he says the Dominion War never happened changeling aren't real. That kind of thing was very funny I think there's definitely room for Bravo Picard Oh to get in there I think for sure that will be. That feels like a given and there's so many things you can do with a Hologram that would be very funny. I, I'd love to see Admiral Janeway up in there. Especially because she's going to have her own series, right so they just be like, let's take the model from hurling series just plop it in Star Trek lower deck's we don't even need to copy copy page. But they do so much copy pasting on the show already. I gotTA. Got GotTa talk about the animation because it doesn't. It feels. So it feels so shockwave flash in the worst way. I. Mean. That's also a lot of Monterey animation though. Fortunately, for better or for worse I think that it's just so cheap to do nowadays I think that is the consequence of it no longer being like painstakingly hand-drawn that it can sometimes lead to like to your point maybe visuals that are more akin to like an e bombs world video. Bad but I I. Have, strong bad right in the middle of this. On occasion, it has the ability to produce genuinely beautiful imagery like when an episode seven after that that creature you know takes over that ship, the Rubio and it ends on like this bio luminescent creature. Turning into just this giant globe of glowing this I. personally liked I think there's some fun stuff with the visuals that they could do it I. Think episode is also a highlight because they're able to take advantage of. So many of those definitive filming styles that it also looks distinctly different from the rest of lower deck. So the point where like the cinematography that they use, you could tell is very much movies versus television. I liked very much when the aspect ratio subtly changes. That was great. That was a great little inside joke there and. The bumper on the end where Leonardo Da Vinci just comes out and randomly. Randomly, inserts himself into a action I thought that was that was very funny and there are some great visual things that they do with it but there are also places where they cut corners in a really big way I. One of the things that really drove me crazy and I I'm looking to them to fix it for the next season is every single woman on the entire show is the same shape and the same height the literally just put different heads on them and putting different colors on them and It just drives me nuts that they're all like they got the little perfect dipped in waste and they could trade close with each other and. In the live, Action Star. Trek Universe they have corrected for that like we have a variety of body shapes body types and it doesn't even matter what species you are in this world you are like a perfect size to and the SPANDEX looks perfect on you and And you're five foot eight and that's it. No, that's a very good point that I think we haven't really the men at least like we obviously have the cartoonish Lee cronk level of shacks in terms of the super broad chest. But like there was definitely a differentiation in terms of and the yeah. The female models for whatever reason just like looked. especially if you're looking at if you take the heads off of like manner, intend D and change their skin. Tone it is basically one and the same. Yeah it is exactly the same in like they could even they could even change they change heads with the captain and you won't know a difference. And I really that bothered me a lot because it's almost it almost feels to me like the show feels like the women themselves are interchangeable. Yeah which is which is weird because like from a characterization perspective, they'd done quite the opposite so. that it doesn't carry over to the animation itself in the looks of the characters right and that's I think that's part of that's part of my other big problem with the series. I don't think much care has been taken with certain aspects of the animation they they have some beautiful shots to your point and some really great call callback to. All kinds of star trek things and they've taken great care to kind of. Capture the right look in their own idiom but then their character design is very slapdash. When I think back to that to the Crystal Planet. Again, the design of those aliens were very like rick and morty slash like, yes. Sold Swam. Better as it went along. But yeah, it does feel weird that like I think the first few episodes especially dementia of like miscellaneous aliens, they were able to get more creative with the shapes of everything's but starting off his very much like a human, a human much like star trek design in general like humanoid creature that will change the face up a little bit so I think the thesis statement of our general combined opinions is like second-half stronger than the first your mileage may vary on the first, which means hopefulness for what's to come with season two if they take the right lessons. Right I and I think even though my opinion is probably far more negative than yours. We are in agreement on the general trajectory of the series and the potential that it has some things that it could. It could improve on some things that it could certainly in the next season could pick up on and make a series that is not just fun. But legitimately great I was listening to the greatest discovery podcast on maximum which. Is a great star, trek recap podcast, and one of the host put out there that he thought he put out a supposition, a theory that when push comes to shove star trek lower deck's is going to become the longest running star trek series in history yikes. Do you think that's a possibility that because that's the I mean look at the simpsons when it comes to animation I am looking at the simpsons and that's why I said. Because I mean. So what do you? What do you think what are the chances are that? Even when we're talking about season two that this from a pure because of the medium becomes the chance of having the most longevity because you're not meeting to worry about you know actors getting older or you know people wanting to leave the show? I mean it is. It is a distinct possibility and especially since this is a kind of show that you can make without having to be on a set with people, which is concern right now I think. I think at the moment it certainly seems like it's got the most promise for that of all of the various star trek projects and there's like one hundred of them at this point. But I think the thing that maybe is not in its favor is the fact that there are one hundred other star trek projects in development right now, and as soon as this one slips, they're going to take it and put something else in its place i. think there's not really And I think maybe that's also why I was so negative on it from the start because I'm used to. I, really used to show shows having to find their footing so much sooner now. You know even though all of the Star Trek Series Of the twentieth century got a lot of time to find that pudding every much. So very much. So I think shows now don't have that same luxury and they have to be good out of the gate and that this one of followed that pattern it's like, oh, well is this going to be? Can it have longevity if it's not going to know what it is right out of the gate is it going to get that chance and I? Think the second half of the season certainly points to that being a possibility but. I think I don't think it's going to be this. I. Think we will see a long-running star trek series. And we will see something immersive and that goes on forever. I don't know if it's going to be this I think it could be something animated because. Were in a place now, where animation is so cheap to make, and there's so many possibilities that he can't do with live action show. I don't know if lower deck's the thing I would hang my hopes on but I think it's setting a parameter of how you can do a star Trek animated series like it might be the new thing I. Don't know it could be something that has even been imagined yet. I. Think we get a few solid seasons out of this in the you know in the brightest of all possible worlds in the best of all worlds if you will. I think we get. We get four or five seasons of this, and then we get something that either spins directly off from this or is inspired by this that is. A fantastic star trek series with potential to go on forever. So Star Trek boiler is GONNA run for sixteen seasons is what you're saying. Yes. Star Trek Boiler, that's definitely it. They ran out of suffixes. So they finally just started using Dave. Picard so maybe It's not too out of the ordinary. Yeah. So with that Mike should we should we maybe pivot into talking about some of these other star trek projects? Yeah. Let's go from the past into the future even though this is still technically the future even when we're talking about the past, this is the future of the past, and then this is going to be like these are people from the past of that future in the future of that future. Exactly. Yes, I. It's he got. He got to draw diagram I guess I suppose get out the chalkboard I mean Star Trek discovery is coming back. It's been a while it's been I. Think May of Twenty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred is I believe when season two ended. That was a really long time ago Mike that was at least fifteen years ago. Yeah, exactly. I felt I mean honestly though I will admit fully I had to look back at my notes for the season Finale 'cause I obviously I remember the big event, which is that they were jumping through the wormhole I did not remember many of the circumstances like why or Or? I'm happy that felt in bypass Mike. All right well President Mike. You WanNA enlighten the listeners. Yes. So let's let's talk about what you need to know about star trek discovery season three because despite it being a third season, it's surprisingly little because the big thing that happened at the end of season two was essentially like discovery had gotten data from fear that this rogue ai named control. Not data data yet rogue rogue information E. Yeah. Rogue Information. I should say about like just human history or the universe's history that this rogue I name control was trying to get to what else take over the galaxy and so discovery decided to sacrifice. It sounds like we're going to send ourselves so far into the future that controlled can't get to it, and essentially the galaxy will be saved at the forefront of that was Michael Burnham who turns out to be the answer to the big mystery of the season of this time traveling red angel where she basically had to like bill and Ted's style be the one to put the garbage can at the police station so The COP. So they could get out of the cell. So basically she helps arrange for discovery and the crew decides to join her on this Into, a Wormhole, we are expunged any records of discovery from starfleet records, which closes that Nice little plot hole as to why are they in this kid when there is no record of spock having a sister and we can now confirm officially traveled nine hundred and thirty years into the future. So it is the crew of discovery plus a few New People. That, we can certainly get into they are now in a like I and say a post federation world but the Federation certainly looks different. If you've watched the season three trailer, there is a mysterious event that happened during the time they were gone called the burn, which basically like collapsed any structure under the federation and so what exists now is extremely different. And so now I could probably I could probably start to sketch that out I. Learned look at which characters have the word burn in their name slash been the main part of the first two seasons and you might have to look too hard at who the source of the burn might be. Yeah. Yeah for sure. So yeah. So at this moment, it seems like basically it's just going to be. Sort of a combination of like voyager and this brave new world where are in thirty, one eight looking at what the world as maybe they're trying to solve a problem there and I would assume try to get back to their own time period and who knows if they if they ever will concern that again, they are now permanently gone from cannon in what we know but that's that's the new World War discovery is at in season three. All right and It seems to me like we've got a lot of new characters that are coming onto the show. Yeah. So the big one that was initially announced all the way back in your con- last year, which again just shows how much time has passed was David. Hala was coming on as a character named Cleveland Book Booker who is a Denizen of this thirty second century we don't much about him. You know at the New York. Comic Con Event There was actually like the first two minutes I'm assuming of season three were shown. So we get a little bit of book like in the middle of a big. Space Battle when he quite literally collided with Michael Burnham which I guess we'll sort of be a meet. Cute. My assumption is he's going to be a love interest for her because I think now that iced ash tyler is out of the picture she's looking for somebody else and he's probably going to be their guide through through this world. But I, think the bigger news at least of the past couple of weeks is that we have not only two new characters announced but two brand new characters really breaking ground for the franchise in general. So we have two new characters in the form of I believe. I think. Gray. Is the name of one of them. Great Anderson just gray and then a deer. And they are denizens of the futures well, seemed like there were a partner in crime situation there are played by Blue Bario and Alexander Ian. Gray is the first openly trans character in the Star Trek Franchise, and you can put an asterisk on that. We'll talk about the trill of it. All and Deora is the first non binary outwardly character in the Star Trek Franchise and I think it's absolutely fantastic in a series that from the very beginning pushed the boundaries of inclusivity in pursuit of a perfect future. You know should have happened a while ago but I'm so happy it's happening now. Yeah. I'm very excited to see this as well and I think I having the Non Binary Character Beatrice especially interesting because of the way that gender has been handled with trill characters in the past and it's got to be something that happens on the trail planet would probably happen more often. I never even that was even touched upon ds nine wait. Curzon. DAX had become Ziadeh. consorted with the previous female love despite the fact that. Jesse DAX even showed throughout her time on ds nine that like she was open to romancing basically anybody pretty much that was that was her thing. But you not only you had that very famous episode that had like one of the for same sex kisses on television and you the remarkable thing about that episode is she says, I, think I'm going to go back to my old lover and it's not even nobody ever questions that it's two women as well. That's problematic thing because you're a trillion, you're not supposed to go back to your old lover's nobody ever says, that's weird that it's two women and this was the nineties. So that's that's Really remarkable but you also have. You also just have this overarching thing with jet Zia where. I've seen I've seen people make memes out of this recently actually where you see. You see someone say Oh Curzon Dax. She's like no I'm Jay Z. O. Z. DAX, my old friend and It's not even something like nobody says, Oh, you're a woman now. So you're not as cool as you were or how could you ego your? Jet. Zia. I'm just going to keep calling occurs. Normalized normalized yeah and I think part of that is because of the institution of the trail which I'm so glad they expounded on outside that one episode into making it like a full fledged nine thing because it is such an interesting thing because the species exists. Nobody blinks an eye on it happens and I'm intrigued by this will also be I'm. If, I'm wrong here just like the first trill character to really appear in a large capacities since the DAX of it, All India nine, which begs the question could this character be decks? This character is not DAX that'll. That's too much of a well first of all we know who all the DAX Symbionese are true but I do love relating characters to other charities chess. Might. They might know DAX but. We've covered like. Chemically and noncanonical we have met. into the ground, every DAX and beyond that, there was every host of the dachshund beyond I should say I. Don't think that's the case but I think it is going to be kind of fun to have another trill on the show and we there is a trail like there's a trill background character discovery who appears sometimes I do not recall what her name is, but I clocked her because. I was I was big Dax fan back in the day and I'm always happy to see more trills but I think there's a lot of ground that you can cover from a more. From a more enlightened I in two, thousand twenty, then you could have in one ninety-five. So I am excited to see them go back there and talk about the ramifications of that species doing things the way they do it speaking of you know the lgbtq of it. All I do think while a lot of character threads were sort of resolved back in season two we gotta talk about the coal bits of it all because season two had hugh coming back from the dead where he was trapped in the my sealed network. And then he came back was markedly different and you know the finale ends with statements being like after this I'm GonNa go off and do my thing. Obviously he's still on the ship and there is a scene that he fell into a coma and Colbert tells just you know like your by everything you're right like I want to be with you again do we expect Colbert's drama? Will they won't they when season three picks up or do you think they're going to ask you that two more? So just explore life in the Thirty two, hundred I think they're going to have a lot on their plate but I I suspect they're going to have to have at least one conversation about this because you can't just like have them be like, Oh, we're in love again, the end I think too much has happened and they did kind of leave that dangling. So I would suspect there's going to be something that the two of them are going to have to go through together in order to come out the other side back together and back as one cohesive couple. But I. in fact I think they probably get their episode to do it or at least the be plot I. Some adventure they go on together or like they get locked in something together like you've seen what strange bedfellows like what strange friendships have arisen from people being locked in stuff together shoe the turbo left malfunctioning. Yeah. They're GONNA is stuck at a turbo lift together and they're gonNA fall back in love and that's how it happens I don't think we just like Oh, there's the married couple and they're back together we we. Got To see that happen somehow we'll speaking of actually of the standards of it all I mean we really I know this is a picky point you and I have season two of the spore drive of it all of like all right they swear they're not gonNA, use it anymore. They're totally using I mean do you think that the the spore drive is going to come into full use here? Think it's officially retired. Well I think they're probably you know it's a thirty two hundreds. I think everybody has a sport drive now. So it's not and you know what? That's well, that's interesting. Mr Fusion at Mike they're going to pick up something so that staff doesn't have to hook into it anymore. Yeah. It could be a thing where I know these people are removed from the record but like who knows maybe one of them like became such a big figure that like they have statues of them now. Bill intending it now. Exactly. been watching the verse. That's sort of the thing with Ray, Palmer in legends up tomorrow of like your the pulse damn it's like. This you know I can't believe. It's like a meeting, a forefather of my sale technology again, probably not going to happen because for all, they know pulse stem never existed but I think I think it's it's an interesting way to go of like maybe the impression because it also seems like at least what book was implying in the teaser that i. saw like because you left this is what happened. So again, going back to the burn burn of it all maybe it was something that discovery outright did and their mission is going to be maybe not trying to correct it but trying to fix the present to make it at least a little bit better. That's that's also interesting like I. It sort of seems to me that. What I don't understand is did they excise all mentions of discovery from the Canon or all of these people suddenly to borrow back to the future quote erased from existence is everyone looking at pictures of like, I'm posing with detmer but now detmer disappeared from it yet we Photoshop Photoshop Michael Burn out of all of this of all spock's family portraits. Spock's not allowed to talk about his sister. It's like like her Miami at the beginning of deathly hallows part one just like ZAP everybody out of every family portrait and they're not allowed to talk about all these people that they knew and like Pike's not allowed to talk about the money's new ship because that kind of changes the equation to like when they get to this new world. If it's something they've done do people even know that they were them yeah. That's very true. And also maybe maybe they'll be I'm assuming they'll be descendants of people you know I can imagine that some people left kids behind which I would say is a good opportunity to do what I feel like. Maybe one of these still major. Mrs From Discovery For me, which is like I think they're very clearly trying to build out ensemble with the entire bridge crew but to be candid, they're like four or five people that I could not give a lick about. And so it's either to me. It's either like either just reduce their coverage. You know like you said like sort of O'Brien them to not necessarily make them feel like they're part of the big cast photo necessarily or give storylines to give storylines detmer because I think the area stuff like would have been so much more effective. Had she been? You know an actual character and? That that's like a back door pilot. Yeah. To the show lasted two of us and then she died. Yeah. Exactly. So I'm hopeful that maybe a smaller focus as well like you have, you can bring a new characters, but you're not looking that much to other like big starfleet or other previous existing characters to bring in. You can now focus on developing yourself as a show which I knew we were both very excited about when they went this direction at the end of season. Two like, yeah. Focus on your on your own cast. If you're going to build this bridge grew like have care about some of these people at the helm detmer's the one that we give the most careful and that's because like she was involved in the tragedy of the Shinzo and basically like is perennially has an axe to grind with Michael Burnham for making her that way. Yeah and I would love to see them actually go there with it. They never they never really it's almost like they forget everybody is there and then all of a sudden they're like Oh shit. We were supposed to do something with that character right give them an episode, throw them in there like give them they plot and that's not really how it works and I think they need to go back to their roots and look at how look at how the previous star Trek series handled this because I think. A handled it very well like the way that you had. O'Brien be like a guy that was running the transporter for first couple of seasons and then. He gets married and he has a kid and he shows up he's there but he's not in the foreground all the time like surface him to have a b plot and then go away and. I guess nine did that They would give Arc's to characters who would like show up on a couple of away missions, and then they'd be the red shirt that dies. Yeah. Yeah, I, want to see more of that than just kind of like. You're not even you don't even know who this person's name is unless you're deep nerd and then all of a sudden. Hey, this is him look area. Hey arium. What are you GonNa, do doubt area and the driller into our heads for two episodes to kill her off. That's right. Don't Nikki and Paulo us that's. What I'm saying yes. So here's the and here's another big thing. Is We sort of know even though we're going so far into the future we know the endpoint for discovery, the ship, right? The shortcut Calypso, which officially said was cannon said that discovery was essentially abandoned. Do you think that this is the season where the titular discovery vessel gets abandoned by the crew? I would guess that are season arc takes us like we have a quest. We have to figure out how to fix this burn how to help the people that we've run into and how to get back to our own tie. And whatever solution it is that gets them back to their own time. I suspect we do it at the end of the season and it probably involves leaving the ship behind. And so it could be like I'm totally let this is going to be a on the season finale of that happens I swear discovery is not a ship discovery is a people. The real discovery was the friends we made a long way and so but I do think at least this shows title could be very easily repurpose right? 'cause like discoveries the name of a ship, but it's also the name of a concept. Split. It could be us. Discovering new things and exploring new things which again I like much more than like, Hey, let's get involved in west kin. We don't necessarily need to so I, I would not be surprised. I think we're we're expecting at this point that this is going to be like a one and done season within the deep deep future. Maybe they'll surprises again, maybe the Gulf full voyager and they just spend the rest of the series exploring thirty, one, ninety nine but it shouldn't be a really interesting time hoping each time that their next week will be the leap home listen maybe maybe archer will step in and able to save them reicher style. May Be I mean Reicher did that to Archer so That's sort of like what reicher inspires talks to mariner and Freeman is like, okay. Now you need to do it to someone else yep it's yeah. It's the weirdest pay it forward ever. Yeah it's it's an interesting thought. Mike I. I don't know that that feels really feels really hokey to me. It feels like something the Star Trek likes to be literal about these kinds of things. So I I don't know if I see that happening, but it is possible that we are now in the future forever it's interesting if we think Calypso is Canon. CALYPSO involved the ship having been abandoned for a thousand years and ran sort of rediscovered, and it does not seem that that is what happened to this ship over the past thousand years. Right. So is it another thousand years in the future? Yeah. Maybe it could be a thing of like they're just really. Well, I, mean when I talk with Michael Shea bottom powder honestly like, yeah. Just picked really really far in the future for fun he and then he incidentally called as the last part of star. Trek the Star Trek timeline chronologically speaking. So yeah, it could be A. Thing where like this is forty, two hundred when calypso takes place 'cause I agree it's it's at least had the wear and tear of being abandoned for a thousand years. So unless they flat out just like abandoned unless there was some sort of time remnant created of discovery when they went into the future that would have to leave it and it's left for another millennium and then Calypso happens. They're saying it's cannon. I'm just trying to figure out exactly how we fit in there. But yeah, it could've picard maneuvered itself. I suppose exactly like to yesterday's enterprise style a parallel. There's a parallel discovery and that's where CALYPSO takes place. Sure. Yeah. I'll. I'll take it. Then, but then it has to has to go through with killing itself to preserve. Timeline. And for some reason, shooter mcgavin there. Yes. Well should we talk about some other Star Trek? Because I mean obviously it's been it's been even though it's only six months since we last talked there has been so much fun. New Stuff announced from the fact that apparently star trek section thirty one is still happening at some point. Yeah. I. Don't know when they're going to get around to doing that but it's a thing and we also got the news that there's a green light for a Captain Pike Series called Strange Worlds. Yeah which I'm intrigued by I. Think you know that is really throwing red meat to those that are. Like I miss t o s I think like they we saw it at the end there. We've seen a couple of short treks I believe they have said that it is going to be episodic instead of serialized they'll maybe they'll Polish lower deck's and like do a back door serialisation at the end of it but I think Kertzman. I could imagine this is really like them saying okay. If people are complaining so much about how new trek is nothing like what they've seen before. Then let's give them something they've seen before but just in more twenty tens light with maybe some some more. Timely writing and fund new characters. Yeah. Well, I think this entire thing would not have been possible. Were it not for Anson Mount totally blowing it out of the water. Excellently this was not a series that they could have done I think. Anybody else. In that role this series is a No-go I it sucks. But that they've got him, they need to keep using him and since they pretty much booted him into space on discovery, they need to give him something else to do and I'm glad that this is really happening plus now this is I mean if we're talking about filling in line sort of like what what they did with Reicher and troy and lower deck's now we sort of get to fill in the time I mean, he knows what's going to happen to eventually with the Delta radiation but now I get to see what happens between basically. The cage in the menagerie manner of speaking like, what are what are the stranger worlds that he gets to go to say it's also a fun opportunity. You Know Ethan Peck as Spock and I'm happy it only gives the opportunity to find out more about Rebecca Romaine is number one who really I mean the joke was that she was purposely enigmatic but now we get to find out more about her. You know they're going to do a three hinder sort of what they did with T O S. I think it's a fun opportunity though I will agree with you that I would not be nearly as jazz for it. If it wasn't Anson Mount as Captain Pike Yeah I will legitimately be excited to watch this now, and even though I feel like Rebecca Romaine is basically going to be her character from the librarians but in space. That, how she's playing number one so far and I'll you know I'll I'll watch it I I think she's I think obviously Ethan Peck is Great. And we know that it's got an expiration date like it can't go on. This is not going to be the longest running star trek series ever. Yeah. They're not going to be like how I met your mother like this season will take place over the course of one week before the Delta radiation. yeah I i. think that will actually get rebecca remain. It is astounding to me that we have a married couple appearing on different Star Trek series and Rebecca Romaine and Jerry O'CONNELL. Well, it's not unprecedented I suppose but I love I love seeing the two of them in doing their own separate things very well, and I it I wouldn't have known that was Jerry. O'CONNELL add. Up No yes I has a more nasal voice either I remember or he's definitely putting something on because I did that did not sound like the Jerry O'CONNELL I remember. Yeah. Well, the Jerry O'CONNELL. I remember is the fat kid from stand by me. So asked me speaking of wellbeing. Well, that's another one. Actually nine very surprised that will wheaton. As Wesley crusher but like his own cameo in some way, they run like they brought him various star Trek actors like the actor who did March talk I think played a role in lower deck's Kenneth Mitchell played one. So I'm surprised they didn't grab well for for the first season, but maybe they were holding out. Yeah. I bet he'll be in the second season in some capacity, and if there's a way that they can put with Jerry O'CONNELL and call back stand by me. Become, the greatest star trek series of all time they have to write like it's right there. It's right there. Maybe Bringing River Phoenix Joaquin Phoenix's new baby. Yes, I was GONNA say there is no river Phoenix anymore yes. There is just bringing in like a baby. One of the baby head freaks on lower deck's can be named river. Phoenix I, I love it. There's no more fitting tribute. Mike. Well, speaking of call backs we gotta talk about something that was announced as recently as yesterday when we're recording this. So Star Trek Prodigy is another animated series that's coming to Nickelodeon, which is about a group of kids discovering like a derelict starfleet vessel. Maybe it's discovery and they're going they just go on adventures in the cosmos, but they're to be joined by like their requisite adult babysitter and the babysitter is Captain Catherine Away so I didn't get that part Mike is the nanny to their muppet babies, Yelich. That's what I'm trying to figure. It seemed like from what I saw. That may be like she's the captain, but she's also like I think the child wrangler a little bit right is this like when Picard got stuck in the elevator all those. Yeah they're all going be taking Jacques Oh by the end of it. Dear. Lord, Somebody many Turbo Love Story. This is really interesting I mean. The last time we saw her economically was when she actually appeared alongside Picard in Nemesis when she was an admiral then I don't know how she got to this point unless this is sort of like a prequel to that period of her life maybe she served her own like Picard Milia and said like I gotta I gotTa get somewhere excitement in my life. Let me follow these kids around I. Don't know if this is situation like the ship goes rogue and they're trying to get back that might be PTSD for. Janeway. I had a lot of my PTSD and I tweeted about this because in the nineties and Nickelodeon there was a show called space cases which I did watch where it was a bunch of kids like got onto a spaceship that took off and they're trying to find their way back home, which was essentially star Trek Voyager for kids and so it really does come full circle and now there is a nickelodeon star trek series featuring the captain from Star Trek Voyager well into bring it even fuller circle Mike my first exposure to star trek was watching the animated series on Nickelodeon. Oh. Interesting. They they ran it in the late eighties in the afternoons on weekdays for quite a while. I think I've seen every episode, a couple of times at this point, but that was my entry point into Star Trek Universe. Yes. So I mean and this also speaks to obviously you know in the time since as well CBS Viacom came under one umbrella. So like don't be surprised that this become successful that there might be more co mingling but are you are you excited for a return to janeway albeit animated form? I have to see it. I feel like almost every scenario you just. Put out there as something janeway could be doing in this show is deeply disrespectful to the character and it's not a very nice thing to put her through after she did all that stuff for voyager. It's not cool man. She's an admiral show some respect to desertification. Yeah and even picard like he brought that on himself because he raged quit federation. I think unless you have Janeway on a similar trajectory like maybe she heard about what happened to Picard and she quit and solidarity I, don't know what I don't know how you force that in and less. Directly. Related to one of these one of these children and she feels like she's responsible for that child and their friends or is she just like what if she's just like on screen when they activate the spaceship and she's like? She's communicating with them like Christie from three's company in season. Three. I know it's. It also doesn't say that she's necessarily starring in it. It just says she's She's reprising her role. So is she going to get a Reicher it up here? Right? She could just come in maybe she'll come in and save the kid. It's like, oh no, we're done for wait a minute. It's be Kathryn Janeway here to save the day 'cause. It's an interesting one because they've really built up as the lone adult. It's an odd place to put her in, but we'll see I mean that's another series that much like section thirty one had been promised for a long time that information has been revealed but I don't know how much closer we are to having that happen that being said, you mentioned before just due to the production. There is a much more likely chance that this comes out before section thirty one or even strange new worlds in terms of new star trek serious. Yeah. I think I think we're GONNA see a lot more animation across the board, not just in star, Trek, but certainly also in Star Trek and I think also even if you look at like short tracks when we had those two animated pieces I think they realize those works well so I would not be surprised that they roll another batch out there as well because now they've they've reached the end of the current star trek stuff that they had in the repository right there. Three series in one year but lower deck's is obviously the one that they can work on. Maybe if they follow certain precautions like other movie and TV sets are they could work on stuff like Picard and discovery which I believe have both been renewed but it's it might be a while before we get more, you know very new star Trek in our lives. So let's take advantage of sort of like the binge eating we're doing now because we won't have a meal for a while. It's true. We better like save up some because we got to hibernate. Yeah exactly. But we won't be hibernating Jess. We're going to be back weekly for the next thirteen weeks taking us through the beginning of twenty twenty one. I it's nice to have something to do for the entire rest of the year I feel like it's so hard to plan ahead these days. Yeah it is a little weird. Okay you'd end it i. believe that the finale this is thirteen episodes is scheduled to air on January seventh. The signal episode is literally on New Year's Eve. Like you would think, they'd want to play it for the end of two, thousand twenty but I but I think this streaming asked just like screw it we don't really have a network schedule to adhere to. A little bit into twenty twenty one. Also, what are you going to do on New Year's Eve. This year go out. No Star Trek exactly like everybody's GonNa Watch Star Trek. That's the cool. Kids do now we're all inside. Yeah. So thirteen episodes, we'll see the past two. I think I know at least the season two, they extended it another episode because the finale was just so big maybe it will do the same thing here. So maybe we'll be going into January, but we're going to be in your ears for the next thirteen episodes at least. Yeah and I for one I'm very excited Mike I think this is going to be they. They ended last season on such a definitive note and On such a note that opened up so many possibilities that I think no matter what happens this season it's going to be very different from what we've seen before, and it's going to be a lot of fun to talk about. I am really excited. Just re exploring this discovery supplementary material going into the season made so excited because this I think we talked about this during our season two finale recap. This is essentially a soft reboot of the series putting in a brand new setting with characters were familiar with, and that makes me extremely excited. I'm intrigued to see how they approach like a not federation less, but like broken federation world. Kertzman and Michelle Paradise, who's one of the new show runners said that there are coincidentally some very relevant storylines was days. which should be very interesting. We sort of touched on that with Picard as well some to fund new characters get into. So like there is a world of possibilities much like we ended lower deck's with that I'm very excited to explore here with the start of discovery with everybody. Yeah it's it's definitely going to be great. So Mike. Is that the only thing on your calendar these days or what else is going on and it's interesting that you say, Oh, I'm glad there's something to fill the rest of our year because you. Know. Even the two of us are going to have our own new series to talk about because you and I along with Rob Sister Dino are going to be talking about the amazing race which premieres the day before star Trek discovery season three does so you and I are going to be nice and busy. So if you want. Reality TV some very pleasant reality TV and globetrotting instead of a galaxy trotting be sure to check that out on the Rha main feed other than that. I'm finishing up covering big brother over there with Leon Boris as well as doing interviews for parade dot com here on Poacher recaps of course, just regular and I are going down the hatch where make away through the middle of season three at this point and that has been. A lot of fun. We go back while this show goes forward and this season four star trek discovery. I've been doing it for lower deck's Picard. I'll be doing writing for CPR DOT COM that includes episode recaps, breakout pieces, theory pieces, some interviews. So be sure to check that out. If you want some stuff that will probably also repeat the podcast as well, and you can follow all the stuff I'm doing in many many worlds. Type. Yeah, you almost need your own podcast feed at this point Mike. Mike Bloom specific feed? Yeah. Would it feel like the most like I don't know egotistical? So therefore, I will not do it, but maybe someone can curate that. It's so. Now, we've put it out there. Someone's going to do it for you. I think that's interesting though to have it like based on personalities even outside of myself just like, Hey, let's if you want to listen to this person's voice for some reason for hours at a time here's a playlist of every single bunk as they appear it's possible. Somebody's has like a newborn. That will only be calmed by the sound of Your Voice Oh boy I fear that newborn might be hard of hearing considering how annoying my voice is good good luck to that parent. Yeah. They the downside is that the newborn is also like disturbed an agitated by the sound of my voice so They're pretty much pretty much hosed when they put on this podcast or they'll have to like. Only, listen to half of it. But. Not half in terms of down the middle half in terms of split the audio, and then listen to your side and then listen to my side. Yeah I'm sure that if somebody has the specific, this very hyper specific hypothetical problem, they can just call you and you'll just talk at the child on your own time I'll make that offer. Absolutely. Well, you know you can make that offer first hand to be on our new polls show recap Yasser Discord. This is a very nice segue Mike. Think that's worth noting you can go to post show recaps, dot com slash patriotic, and you can pledge five dollars a month ten dollars or fifteen dollars a month, and this gets you accessed extra podcast content. curated and mostly hosted by our very own. Josh. Wigley. We are also at ten dollars above level. You can have access to our patron discord, which is a chat area where you can connect with like minded fans about just about everything. We have snacks thread. That's especially fun. 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I feel like the connecting thread apart from you and I is there about going out and exploring strange new worlds I. think that's something that happens on both of them and also Phil Cogan appeared in a fan made star trek movie. So yeah of of one degree of separation. As we know Mike that guy will show up for anything. Exactly. Around truly ball, you're talking about becoming a Patriot and a post show recaps also make sure with the new season of Star Trek coming your way in search coverage. Subsequently, a be sure to subscribe to our star Trek only feed at Po show recaps, dot com slash star Trek. You check out all the other post show recaps up as well. But if you're there and you WANNA leave us a nice friendly helpful Nice Review. That is always very appreciative. Nice you can. You can leave a negative review but nice. Yeah. Exactly. Like niceness. You know what? Star Trek imagines a world where people can be firm but nice be that future that gene roddenberry wanted to see. 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Episode 201: Nice and Easy, Jack

Defenders Of The Night

1:09:39 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 201: Nice and Easy, Jack

"We are defenders a the most trusted source for topped about him coverage of everyone's favourite mid-nineties animated program. Gargoyles. Your host Daniel Williams and I'm your other host Eliza. Circle. Is We've got a third host today. Would you care to introduce our third host? Yes today joining us from afar is our dear friend James. Anderson J. Anderson. James what's up on nothing? You know just doing some research on topics and stuff just sort of you know like you do. Sunday morning research as yeah totally dear listener if you don't know James is also a podcast. A couple of shows that are going on right now correct. Actually currently I only have one show that's going because crossroads minute just wrapped. So US WE'RE GONNA start recording our new as yet unannounced. But when this comes out, it probably will have been announced podcast I think we're going to start recording June and then start releasing July I think. We are happy to have you with us today. Thanks. Thank you. Today we are starting season two of Gargoyles if you can believe it season two episode, one leader of the pack. Thank you. Uh Hoping someone would do. Well tell me more about it. Daniel, I'm not gonNA tell you I'm gonNA direct it directly to James Okay well, this episode aired September fourth now ninety five Amir nine days for my tenth birthday. So close such a birthday present sure I duNno It was directed by a new director season two. We got new director's coming in and I'm just going to his name is frank. That's the easy part. Har- P. A. You are what you guys think par- are yeah. He was involved in season one though when the episodes over the first name that shows up on the credits before like you stop it because you don't want the next episode to play is Frank Parr. So he's like an executive producer of something I think yeah, I think he was doing producing, but this is the first time he's directed an episode. He does a lot in season two. I kind of spoiled myself a little bit is directing a ton of episodes. Easier names for you pronounce then yeah, that's true and he is known for of course Gargoyles, but he also did a lot of Batman the animated series. So I'm familiar with his work. Apparently, this episode was written by a favorite one of my favorite writers Gargoyles Steve Perry he's back. Gary I'm sure you all remember he was the writer of the one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty novelization of men in black. We all read that right? Coy Horse and leasing. Journey. It's a different Steve Perry, but I wish you. Wish, it wasn't. Real quick side note. Did it have you watched the Hulu Veronica Mars season? No I haven't yet. There's an episode written by Kareem abdul-jabbar and you're like that can't be different Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and it's not he was on the writing staff for Hulu Veronica Mars season depending on your source for or one. So it's weirder things have happened that Steve Perry from journey could be the. Writer men in black and Gargoyles don't give to. The novelization of men in black right? He wrote men in. Black. Yeah That's what I said will. Smith. Was the lead singer journey I. I, don't know why we're having such confusion confusion I thought will Smith was the lead singer of black Sabbath and then he did the movie version of his career men in black Sabbath. I we're talking about it's going to be a long recording. These jokes folks Kiva I love that movie I. Love that movie. Men, in Black Swan I love it. Okay Liz Can we finally I'm the issue here you are holding us up. Oh All right folks I guess we're GonNa get started the jokes they'll keep coming. WE'RE GONNA kick out the jams but real fast. If we get five new reviews between this episode and the next Liz told me personally she promises to record an episode where she slams forties the whole time. So we gotta get those numbers up folks come on wiz right you remember that you remember that promise right? Can it be like shots of whisky? Instead you can do shots of whisky for an hour and a half away. Okay never mind. That's a horrible sounds way safer. James as my witness. That's what we're doing. Liz Acres Island please take me there. Okay. Hey. So this episode starts on Rakers Island, which is the prison that we've been to a couple of times. Now, typically because that's where the pack is and we see a weird Cyborg, what animal as we learn eventually, that's a coyote, but it's a Cyborg Wolverine, right yeah in the and everything. Yeah. This is the Hugh Jackman in there. There's a huge ackman in there. He's making into a prison, which is odd because normally you think you'd go the other direction, but he immediately attacked a guard I interject yeah. He melts the bars of the outside of the prison and I did a little research on what that might have been. He used to do that. Okay. You how? Minutes into the. I I had to look up what prison bars are made of, and it turns out they don't do prison bars anymore. So That's something those were candy canes actually. So I had to look up what they mostly made them out of I saw that they were either like. Steel. So I started looking into what acid dissolve stainless steel core seated. So you want to use either hydrochloric acid or sulfuric acid because stainless steel is actually designed to be resistant to nitric acid and phosphoric acid. So. Those two you want to probably use HCL instead of east to us a four because a lot more volatile than hydrochloric acid and also hydrochloric dissolves like any stainless steel readily and sulfuric acid. There are some alloys of stainless steel that are more resistant to it than others. So this person has gashes hydrochloric acid in their suit, which is pretty wild but good preparedness also, they wouldn't like melt like that into liquid but. And it would take several hours or whatever but it's fine. It's fine. There's probably some sort of nanotechnology whatever are you suggesting that this cartoon is? Not entirely accurate. This one part is just really inaccurate justice one part. Really Kinda checked out? Yeah. All right. So we see him take down a guard using a weird like laser. What would you even call that I? Call it a Whibley Gun. Okay. Look like some sort of sonic device like a stunned device. Whibley. You, said, we're gonNA find heard something else. Yeah. I thought you said actual gun. Well. This witty gun. Not. Guard and like on the floor in agony and you're like Oh God. He just fucking melt his brain he whittled his brain. With, the Wimbledon come on guys keep up. From here, we cut to Jackal and will in the same cell now I, would ask you. In what universe. Does a prison. Put members of the same celebrity. Gang. Deflate. Celebrity Gang I wanNA watch that show. I wonder what celebrity gang like their gang members and also famous because they're TV show and they get to be comfy cozy together in a cell I'm sorry. Are you questioning America's mayor Rudy Giuliani? The show makes me question him a whole lot. Wow. How dare you? Clearly America's mayor Rudy Giuliani knows what's best when it comes to violent psychopaths where to put this namely together in close proximity. This is actually a really interesting indictment of the celebrity culture and like the prison system I think if you look at all the symbolism, it's all there and. We have a lot to learn. So we go into the cell and Jackal is what I can only assume pining for his sister's. He's looking out the window just kind of. Lost in thought while Wolf does some pretty sad one handed push ups I two hundred of them. Yeah. I mean if you're just kind of moving your wrist around like I could do two hundred one hand to push up. Just. Like. Improve it. You know what? I will lay. Be referred yeah I know my push fuel I gotta I gotTa drink more. So they're hanging out and some Australian Winnie the Pooh shows up to sticks explosive bubble. Yum. On the cell door Buster Mata. That's Dingo come on. Don't you know your hat characters Dingo Australian Winnie the Pooh Point in the episode I thought that the guy in the gold suit was Dingo in a gold suit and that he had taken off the gold suit to come plastic explosives, the door I had not made the connection. This was another person because I was like, well, all the pack members are are in jail as we're seeing. So this has to be Dingo that must be costume of a Dingo. Yeah. You must be thinking that because Dingo was never shown entering the prison and. The prison. I ever. Get in the prison guys. That's a very good question because again he is there he was in Europe, we know that he would have been. Here. Up. He wanted to stay the fuck out of prison. So he just was there. So I'm guessing the Robo Animal Dude brought him along for backup even though we never saw that come on whoever wrote this episode Steve Perry. Where's your consistency? America's most popular writer. Australian. Winnie the Pooh Breaks the dudes out, and then we moved from there to appear unlikely the women's wing right? Because this is a mixed gender prison is. A mixed gender prison records is where they send everyone on Svu exactly. Yeah. Let me see here. Note in this article, the women does not appear. So I duNno, they must have changed things maybe it used to be a co Ed prison in Nineteen, Ninety four they took out the prison bar. Yeah. Yeah. It was very progressive in nineteen, ninety five, and then when America's mayor Rudy Giuliani left office then things became more more strict more regressive faith he was. Do you think Jonathan frakes was Kinda thrilled about how much they go to records? As she doesn't get it. James does not get it but I appreciate it on the your favorite television show. You've never watched star trek the next generation, the podcast within a podcast. Jonathan frakes who plays Zana's was a character named commander record. Oh, this is probably the quickest got into our podcast. Accidentally to thank you so much for that. So apparently we've moved ladies sell like ten minutes ago, but here we are. and. Again, they've put the members of the pack in the same cell. This is my favorite scene of the of the episode. Hyena is dangerous and she needs to be unlike silence of the lambs type solitary confinement situation. fucking Horny for violence. You just being horny Horny Horny for violence. She's Horny for Jackal. She's Horny for violence. She's just like one shotting cockroaches or whatever. Yeah. Like paper whatever it's pretty wild. She is murdering bugs because that's all that's available in robot. James Howlett arrives to six feet of bubble tape into the cell door lock in Spring The lady PAC man pas and go back for my research I really don't like being showing up on my own show. This is it though this is the research I was doing when we started the call. So Hyenas doing that and Fox's on the bed reading, right? Yes. Highness, how can you read that crap and Fox? Wildly unexpected response says because niches buff and cough reminds me of your little friends over there referencing metamorphosis, right? All ready is like this is a children's television show. That's fine. That's fine. So then I kept going no, I gotta go back and see if we ever see what she was reading and we do in a brief flash, but also the letters were huge in the brief flash. She is reading a book titled Sar Tra- So she is reading some some Jean Paul Sartre Tra. I always try and search for if why would they do that? Why would they put sergeant? Yeah, being she's smart. Is that the thing? I think that's probably the thing but. One of the things was people that condemned to be free and I think that's really interesting to have a prisoner reading a philosopher that was like we're responsible for our own actions and there's no God because we don't have a clear purpose and so that means we don't have creator. So all our actions are our responsibility, I think that's a really interesting thing for a prisoner to be reading especially how this episode End Fox in this episode. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So this is where we learned that it's not Dingo a robot. Dingo, suit. It's Quixote and he is clearly voiced by everyone's God King Jonathan Friction. Heard him. All right. It's David like they're trying to make this be you. As soon as That was not a surprising reveal to me later. So already gives a weird murder glove too hyena and she's like Horny for violence and it's just like. I. Like it when you give me presence with our weapons best weapon though that's the thing that. One of the gargoyles through at one of the Robo gargoyles in a couple of episodes from the end of season one was established as having that golden claw sort of in her pack uniform. See I only remember her last time being in her fancy dress and having a bunch of knives the brother and sister have matching Graf's. Because they love each other. Anyway. So guard attacks and Hyena of course just jumps to being lemme murder her. US. Personally how is she not? Jacket. Yeah. But Fox stops her saying there's no need to actually kill her like calm. The fuck down. We're Boehner killer that Fox. I was like, are they gonNA fucking cut her throat Fisa Disney show right. This show has me on pins and needles because I'm like someone got shot last season so I don't know maybe they're just killing cops to escape prison Disney was wild in the ninety S. Guess Fox. Walks put a stop to that in more ways than dizzy was all cut killing cocaine parties. It was crazy in the nineties. Was Nice I saw some weird shit back in the day. I don't even know. Anyway so Logan Aka. Coyote. Aka Zana does well, we don't know that yet you're spoiling his voice gives it away. It's K. K. O. J. K. O. J. points out Let's go. Let's stop digging that Dilly Dally Doodoo do. And Fox just like you know why I'm going to stay here, I'm going to be a good girl and finish my sentence and I'm good and she stays good for her pinker debt to society. We'll. suspicious. So, Hyena doesn't get her chance to murder everyone. Shoved out of the room and they they blast their way to freedom. Yeah. Yeah. There's a sexy bit here. Kota scoops up Hyena yes. They run to a dead end in the hallway and hyenas just being an asshole the whole time she's like way too fucking us to our debt. and. Hallway. And first of all, what building has dead in Hallways A. B. he immediately blows up like a huge hole on the side of the building and she's like, okay, that's cool. Let's cool school. Now, how are we going to get out like he blew a huge hole? She looks he's like a wall. It's like I'll do this again it's all one time use, and then she curls up into his arms. She likes she gets comfy. She she all she talked herself in. Yeah. She's like cool. Thanks for the hole in the wall but we're GONNA fall to our doom and coyotes got to be like you don't trust me I mean doing pretty well so far. See what happens any jumps and they escape 'cause he's got ironman feet he lands does it three point landing, right? Yeah. He nailed it. Either of you think he was going to sonic the sun to go down faster I was like he's staring at the sunset and he's like I got this I was like. What is he going to do here? But then he lifts a spaceship which looked like a Millennium Falcon underneath the water but was not and I don't know if you guys enjoyed this as much as I did but he said you all have exact change right? He's doing set. It cuts to him sitting in the pilot's seat and saying, please Keep Your CPAC upright and I was like Oh. We're just doing like Trent like we're visit the transportation chunk get is. A, funny dude in Casey didn't it and how? You. Missed the part where CO TAE rips a giant iron door off. It's hinges in crushes like half a dozen guards. Casually crippling killing five guards. Episode. Kind of downplays at a little bit season too often big bang guns a blazing. Everybody Yeah. Cargo is not usually start off. So action packed usually you get one kind of big action sequence maybe to if you're lucky but this one hits you immediately. Yeah, it's Nice. It's nice. It was a very engaging and enthralling opening. Yeah. So we're on the mind summoned future jet. We're doing bits about buses and airplanes. They escaped they do what Kota set out to do. I. Don't know how the show wants us to feel about that. We just saw a group of dangerous criminals escaped prison. Are we supposed to cheer? What do you want from? Heels. Yeah. It's weird. I mean, it's fun. It's fun to watch but I'm like we should be concerned right? One I mean how you know is free to roam the world she concerned Yeah period this. Is Unsettling? That takes us back to the clock tower and we have a really extra intense wakeup seen feel like as show what kind of like Oh, and they're waking up like I'm awake. But this was like hyper focused on each individual Goliath got a very extra stretchy stretch. It's the season two opener Liz? You gotta you gotTa go in hard. He hired you guys do you watch what the titles on I don't I turned on the subtitles right of the prison break was ending because I was like to see what they're saying. So so did you notice that as the clock is chiming in this scene? It says Gong no I'm like chimes do not Gong Gong's gone. The sound and instrument makes I was fucking insulting I was like absurd why not just say chiming clocks do they China. Time. Of New York City Police Department gigantic Lotto. You know the one is actually. So that's a fun trivia. Someone. Actually goes up there. I don't know how many gongs. Dream about let them move and she's like I guess I'm taking over the clock duty she's got to. Actually volunteered for duty actually was a it was a gift from the Hong Kong government. Did you see rush hour? Yeah. That was basically the plot of rush hour. Rush hour about clocks I don't know. They had to rush the clock over to the New York City Police Department. It was like a statue of Liberty thing but a huge clock whether the clock or just the Gong inside like it was the whole thing. We just threw out what they sent us except for the school. Okay. So the boys woke up Dream Boat shows are actually she's already they're inside. Like. who only there was something I could do my job. Where do you think detective Mat- thinks she is all like man she's having Matt rundown all her leads while she just wait there in the clock tower. Looking a little desperate during boat. Cinema sound. So dreamcoat says she has some bad news and how about we listen to her giving that news to Goliath and the boys Throat a clip I like that one. How. Did it happen Dingo and somebody dressed in black? took him out quick and clean what are we waiting for? Let's get moving restart. Now would you call any of when? How in the first scene quick including? Lie about this, it was devastating. Full of death and destruction. Care that her fellow police people were smashed to death. Like a giant door. Why does she say someone dressed in black? Yeah. Most importantly it was a gold costume not black I don't know. Maybe not most now more employable. By that. They. Blew Up. Hassle building. Do you think that the cold open was different? And they forgot to change her line I. Guess. So that's what I would assume. Yeah. Definitely. Coyote used to be black as I understand it voicing is the first thing done when it comes to animation and then you can animate to how the word of said. So it was voiced this way and then they did some major redesigns before it went to animation and they gave him a much more ostentatious custom. memorably ostentatious. Flashy come on. Yeah. I agree I. Think it was correct. It's just why is she so wrong? Nobody thought to do like. A record of that line. No. Notice that giant lie she just asks quite an oversight spend the entire rest of the episode looking for some mysterious men in black. And just keep walking by this guy in gold being enough. Where he? Didn't say goal then she would have said gold if it was gold so dimiss she would have. Yeah. Well. So from here, they learned that the pack escaped and Lexington just goes a berserk. Also the fact that he thought immediately like obviously they're going to go back to their studio. I'm like I see there is a pattern that they do go back to their studio at times when they probably should be going back to their studio but are they that Dumb Lexington? Do really think the one place we've established here's the thing that we're making fun of Lexington for but guys if you do remember that is where they go I know I. History no history aside back in this episode. It later just because it's a, it's a wild assumption doesn't mean it's not hundred. Lexington is passed. Do you think that maybe he's going to puberty I have a theory that he is just like having some aggression issues. Yeah. Related to the sexual awakening of the gargoyles imagining Lexington experiencing his first Boehner and being like, but if my time. I mean this has to be his first. Boehner here like a rage burner. I don't know if you guys noticed that he was literally hopping mad. He got I've never been able to accurately describe something hopping mad before this. Oh And he takes off well and initially Brooklyn is like dude chill calm down and then he's like I'm going with you and the Bronx just gives them sad puppy is you want to go to buddy? I was complaining recently that Bronx did more time. Yeah. So I guess that was the answer to that and sucks for Bronx because the last time he went out with. Lexington, in Brooklyn when they got kidnapped by Macbeth. Oh yes, they reference in this later in this update you're right you're right and we talk about Brown's I know you've probably already discussed bronze, but this is my this I want to come on and say all the things that I've thought this is your one shot you'll never come back so. Well you know we'll see. We'll see. We'll see if you invite me back I, really wish bronx could fly because it feels so inconvenient for him to have to run everywhere and when I was just thinking of are either of you familiar with the my little pony friendship is magic really that's a passing familiarity. Each of the main characters has a pet and one of them has a turtle that propellers around attached to a balloon because it's a turtle and. It would be through take forever to get anywhere. I mean that's how turtles travel. Exactly. I. Think they need to Hook Bronx up with something like that where it's like Lexington makes him like a cybernetic flying suit I. Don't know why they haven't done that yet because it would make it a lot easier to carry the fucking dog everywhere they go. Well, I don't understand why his ears aren't just wings. Why can't his? They're not big enough. He tried. It's not about size man it's about power and strength. So the adults in the room know that their best bet is to interrogate the leader of the pack right in groom thank you. As far as we've been led to believe because of what we learned from Fox in a previous episode that is triple deluxe right and that means we're going to go to the Castle Castle hiver yes we. But. They still let Lexington Brooklyn Bronx go to pack media studios if it was so much of a let as they literally just like jumped off the side of the clock tower. I guess there wasn't any stopping Lexington when he is in his best rage. He'll sleep tonight. Who is going to stay behind and protect their home Dream Boat I. Guess because she doesn't do anything else really the rest of the episode she just up watching. TV. She's watching episodes of the pack. She's doing research like they're not that bad I mean this is pretty good. They tackle those. Early speaking Ninjas are way worse. They're evil Ninjas. The pack is bad but Ninjas are evil. Everyone knows that that's well established. So from here, we're back on the for lying Kota plane thing. I'm going to call it the flaying. Sky, ship, and Lounge. And coyotes really in church here he's trying to be. He thinks he isn't was like I'm the big dig boy in the pack I'm in charge. And that's the way I think it was. JACKALS like I know you're a big boy wolf by did you rip off a steel door and toss it and kill a bunch of people? Did you did you? Hope is like well. No. But he already did. You give me a chance. And so he tries to take on quixote challenges them to a some fisticuffs coyote shoves that down immediately. Yeah. He's got so many weird toys hidden in his battle armor it's fun. But I feel it's almost cheating. Yeah I agree. Would you say that Iran is cheating? No cheating death. Shrapnel that's being kept from his heart. I like to think that windows has finished designing an extra sued he's like and add if you touch it. I can electroshock you and done. Because everything that he ever makes his like don't touch it. It's going electric shock you you know what's going to? He does he's got zappia hands in this one. But he's got the extra squeezy arms and he's got the sleepy gas fist now and he's got the gun do not confuse the acid in the sleepy. Guess that is a bad. Exactly the same. So I don't know well, once pink label in one has got a salmon label so it should be pretty easy to tell apart. Anyway. Sorry Lizzy, trying to keep us on task. Did you know how wolves ponytail actual tale? Made me happy I should be a Silver Fox is silver wolf yeah. A little bit silver facts sexy this going on nobody's Ano- Does He. I'm sorry. Are you questioning clancy motherfucking? Going on, but he does have a bit too much Alpha Big Dick, energy from is a boy. He's like Zang gifts older brother like it's too much. It's chair as someone who's shredded himself he's he's saying maybe it's too much exactly exactly know your limits Liz. This is when the big reveal happens. We could not have known who was going to be inside this gold suit, but with wolf finally subdued, it's time to show us the man inside. Look it's still also, it wasn't arrested development references. It's okay I'll drop that clip right Here, there's a man inside me and only when he's finally out, can I walk free right? You get now away let's refocus on Wolf gigantic circular. Nipples. I thought we'd establish that this show doesn't have nipples on it, but wolf doesn't follow the rules. No, and I think that is the perfect segue to an ad break. Oh okay. We will be right back. In. Modern. Day Bristol someone is copying one of the most infamous serial killers of all time Jack, the ripper only this time the story is different a woman survives and decides to get her revenge by taking the law into her own hands. But in so doing she awakens a darkness deep insider if you like suspense thrillers and serial killers tune into Jane, the Ripper, an audio drama coming to calamity cast dot Com Halloween Twenty nineteen. Welcome back everyone to defenders. We are once again talking about episode one of season two of Gargoyles we are still with our friend James Hello, we are still in the future plan. What is deluxe this scheme? This time can do anything like semi straightforward. No, he's like I'm to just check everybody because much exterior I want to pose this question to both of you. What does he do for a living and while he's doing schemes who is doing? We really absolutely that dude is barely trusted to drive limo sometimes. So I WANNA know what Xanada industries does besides sell sci-fi coffins and laser guns and by shiny rocks now I, guess maybe deluxe through his personal finance. Yeah. He just likes to own stones. Yeah. What a Dork stones on this guy is gay. So he reveals himself and we're all very shocked because no one could tell that that was. Everyone Loverboy, Jonathan frakes, and Jacqueline. Hyena want to serve up some vengeance even though he just broke them out of prison like everyone just come the fuck down. It's Santos. We get it. But he did this break you out. He's got a weird plan. He immediately, it's like, let's come down everybody. The real enemies here are the Gargoyles and they're like Oh Yeah Fox dingo tries to throw Fox under the bus but does agreed with them. He's like Fox betrayed us. We're GONNA have to get her because she didn't come with them I. Guess I'm not really sure what the right lane with the logic there was but he was definitely like she's our enemy now to, yes she's the one that told you to kill me right that's right. Yeah. So really shame on her he lives just real quick. Our you're saying Santos's is a trickster and stuff in native American folklore who the tricksters. The Coyote. There we go and I know that from that episode of the Simpsons. Where homer goes on a vision. With a coyote voiced by John Cash. So He's blaming the Gargoyles I guess trying to get them riled up to go after the gargoyles because what he does best. He really just wants to fight gargoyles all the time all the time Lake Dude. It's okay if there's someone stronger than you know what it is Goliath broke up with him and he is not going to take that shit. He is an obsessive x is what this is yes the Stanford Santa. Anyway. So he pulls out these duffle bags for everybody to put on their silly silly costumes. It's a weird costumes, their flamboyant, they're very flamboyant maybe I mean whatever but I feel like he could have spent a little extra money and gotten them like some really sick gear. But whatever I wondered are these the costumes that they had just as mercenaries were they wearing these goofy outfits you think Absolutely? Oh. Speaking of Wolf he just like ripped his shirt off like do do you think that's how he removes every shirt like they're all to tighten. His arms can't move that way because he he built up his muscles and an incorrect fashion. They rip them off is you've ula in his upper door PSOMAS they are way over developed and he just can't lift his arms over his head. With guns. They'll get. Fortunately his shirt appears to be biodegradable. So that's cool. It's made of the same material as the debris from the gargoyles Kremlin to nothing. Very, very environmentally friendly Wolfe's and feel like the pack would be environmentally friendly. Be They don't talk about that 'cause they don't want didn't WanNA painted in a weird way but like Most of the pack missions are like blew up that whaling boat and stuff. So from here we go to Kasa waiver. Yeah. Broadway didn't get to stay home I originally thought. So yeah original idea was that while someone's gotta stay home and defend the castle or whatever. But Broadway had to go along in this field trip and you know he didn't want to because you know they had no sandwiches there but he knows the kitchen at the castle so he could just go take care of things there. That's true. He has prepared a fancy meal in that kitchen I've seen it Goliath and Broadway go down to the castle and burst into the Great Hall. Where pissed boy Owen is waiting, he's just standing in the middle of an empty room guys. He's like a character in a role playing game back I've been waiting for you because that's my only role in this come talk to me, I have the only information you need. Don't explore this room. Exactly what? Anyway they are asking for deluxe and he's just like. He's not here and sends them on their. Merry. Way To the studio. Yeah. This is a dumb seen nothing happens except that it showing deluxe is like I know that they're going to think to go to the castle. So I'm going to show them except for Lexington knew exactly where to go. So we're going to split up and go to the two places we've established that the characters in this show we're going to go besides it's fine. Know, I'M SMART I'm David Data That's what it says on my business card I'M SMART Did. You notice that when Owen is like move along he's not here goliaths really Sassy wing toss like like it was a Cape it was I. I did and I didn't make a note about it but I was thinking what are the flexibility of the wings if they can just be tossed around like that you know. Whatever the animator once at that moment I mean that part is really inconsistent like oh sometimes it's cool. Cape sometimes, it's a rigid wing some there. We don't see a lot of family begins. Yeah. Batman begins where it was like when you send a sonic pulse through, that's true. They're sending the sonic pulse with their muscle muscle sonics. Yeah. I'm familiar with that area of study. Mine, Muscles There's gotTa be another name for it, but I can't think of it. Yeah. Can we go to pack Media Studios Lexington knew we should have gone all along their Lexington is so unbelievably angry at the pack it is overkill and maybe it's because like James pointed out, he's probably he's hit puberty. He's just got all these new chemicals in his brain just pumping into his body he doesn't know how to handle it. All right. I have a note here. I don't know what I mean some. either. Said about betraying them. Oh Brooklyn's like he's saying like, Oh, it's not Dimona. You'd think that the pack was longstanding members of the go clan that after many years of companionship suddenly betrayed the clan repeatedly, right? Right Brooklyn Right? That's what it means. Okay I didn't word it very well, it could be a funny joke. It makes sense. Now you know jokes are best when you explain them. Yeah I don't know how to throw this clip is Brooklyn's talking to Lexington about having a weird obsession that you lose your entire sanity over yeah it is. It's like, Hey, I can relate to the youth. You know how I'm always going off uncontrollably whenever there's a damone episode I mean event. And here's the clip. Look Lex I know how you feel you trusted them and they used you nearly got you and Goliath killed. I feel the same way every time somebody mentions Dimona, but you can't let it consume you. You need to remember what's really important family protecting our home. It's I. Guess it's understandable but Lexington, you need a fucking calm down to Dimona pal because you just run off the rails when ever Dimona decides to show up but I do feel like that's different. Do as I say not as I do type situation I mean yes. But also like they've dealt with the pack twice in their existence and he's just mad that they bested him that one time and tricked him into thinking like this is my favorite TV show I feel so betrayed. Dimona was like wasn't a thing yet so he had no outlet right like I do feel like it's weird that Brooklyn is the only one who super obsessed about Dimona you think of anyone goliath would be like she was my laney love he'd already moved on. Yeah he moved on to. Quickly real fast. Oh, Dimona. Yeah. Yeah. I remember he did think she was dead before he went on a romantic fleeing in the park from psychopaths with guns Yup the best way to get her her lady bits pumping. A weird. Phrase. Lady Bits. Pumping. That's actually her hip hop students. Lady Bits Lady. Lady pumping was the first L. P.. They're. A water treatment plant down there. I mean I guess a woman's blood is technically a little tiny lady I see what you're going. Yeah. It's like lady bits of iron I get it I understand where you're coming from. Lady bits of iron maiden I was my favorite. Lexington. The most important thing is family. Okay. You gotta remember that or if you are filled with P. bessant hormones, the most important thing is hunting down and murdering people because they ruined. Your favorite TV show I guess is that why he's really mad because the pack went off the air because the pack the people they went to prison ramp like no new episodes you kidding me. Again twitter and read it didn't exist. So he had no word event that rage. Yeah. All right. So they go down to the studio to get a closer look but find absolutely nothing or do. So, then the future jet comes through the floor. Hey, how did that fugit get underground right guys, sewers Oh. Okay. Answer in New York City is always sewer. That's where turtles live. Yup and alligators, and that's where jets go. So the jet underground. Okay. Do you think they landed the jet and then it and covered it over for the cops to get them? Yes. I was going to be like that's ridiculous but also it's the studio like they have like hydraulics and stuff for cool entrances and whatever. So like the Ninjas have to pop up from somewhere and why not have a be a huge jet size platform I don't even think it's for the cops I. Think it's for the gargoyles they're like, okay here here. And You Wolf is probably in there just like. Let me add them until like no guys. No, it's better this way to look so. No right and q the spotlight others can be great. The smoke machine go like. Madonna, you've forgotten my music you know. All right. Let's go. Back Down and. We're going to try it out again and the gargoyles just like white that. The ARGOS watching bill up and then go back down. Music you hits and then it comes. Standing there like God I miss the. Hate. You show with. So gooden started a petition to bring the pack. Anyway something something we'll shows up yes and freight happens. Yeah and the. Are On their game. Yeah. Lexus really holding his own, which is surprising because he's a little wiener baby. Yeah. He takes wolf successfully right like when he went after wolf a Mike. All right. Little boy what the fuck do you think you're doing and pleasantly surprised in Brooklyn Takes Hyena, which is a dangerous proposition for anyone. He's extra cool. Like tip punches there across the room. I don't know if you saw that straight up punch don't be such a punch someone says, you shouldn't a lady in Brooklyn with like she was no lady I was like, Oh i Guess Brooklyn has some demons he's been red tailed, and of course it's Jackal he white nights over yeah to save his sister. Yeah. Only I could touch her that way. No one hits my sister, but me touch my sister's boobs with me more. Yes. Indeed. Indeed. It's a small victory because just throw some kind of electroshock Frisbee at Brooklyn. I guess did deluxe give him toys. He had those weird boomerangs before now because you know Dingo Australia whatever. They might like I'm playing type I'm leaning in. Maybe. The DINGO ate show. Oh. Now you get the reference I. Oh Shit. I have known that lines I was like five. Wow. The only thing about Seinfeld I know all right. We talk about this show that we're doing a podcast for. Meanwhile ten is on his one on one with Wolf. Yeah. He lays them out but when quixote uses his gun yeah we end the scene with Jackal Jackal people saying ninety night don't let the bed bugs bite. What do you think that he thought that was going to be cool. Being, a super villain, you'd have to try it every single time. You GotTa just take your shot just every single sometimes land sometimes they don't. But like, oh question who was that four? Was He trying to impress the fellow pack members? He's like I got it guys. He steps on steps up to the plate and he takes his swing and that's what it comes up with. And they all just look at it like That wasn't it. I like to think that he thought that they were all around him and he was saying and he looks around he's like Oh. Okay now remember my. Man wasted it. into the kitchen walks back and what did you say? Oh It's nothing. Anyway. Let's take an ad break. After. Tragedy. Strikes. Melissa Really Nice to come back for the Funeral Dean D.. Unites. 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Okay the Elder Gentlemen Gargoyles into the studio and see nothing but debris, and the evidence of a struggle Hudson is like doing his detective stuff like Oh seems like there was a fight there's a wall that was broken down directly behind him. In Cinderblock. Oh you think there was a fight here would call real Batman level detective over here. He only has one I give him a break. He's got no peripheral vision is as best. Done rings and I guess these guys have plenty of knowledge of proper phone etiquette and it's fucking Ohan and James Yeah. Do you have any opinions on the scene here? Well, what Owen has to say is they are expected for party at midnight on the shift, a- Toshi on Marut, the Kobe Meru, of course, the Kobe. It's impossible boat together. Or get off or get a foster kid on. On. So. I did a little bit of research because I was like what weirdly specific name for a boat but apparently means pitfall trap in. Japanese. So various putting a right out there you think our named it or do you. Want to call it the Owen Maroon that's a trap. That's different. Well. That's great and all but as a nearly ten year old I. Didn't know Japanese. So who the fuck is this four, the creators. Yeah. It's like when we put a little Easter eggs in our show is and we're just like he he I put my Easter eggs in English. A. Little Bit easier who maybe now, you won't let learned. That's why no one was listening to space mayor. So, they're going to some sort of offshore fight club Yep between the pack and the oils, and we immediately go to Nakagomi Plaza oil-tanker. Yeah. That's right in the middle of the bay. Lis- Yes apparently, it's an empty oil-tanker because Lexington in Brooklyn are inside where I assume they keep all the oil. No, it's not 'cause there's oil leaking out for a lot like there's oil on top that the knock over that spills the ship is going to blow up, and then those are drums though, right. But then when the ship was listing when it. was like doing titanic thing there's an idea that's what they call it. Their all black oil was spilling out of it. So it had oil in it. Okay. But they were definitely being held prisoner in one of the spaces where you keep oil fumes have been had to have been awful. Yeah. I'm suddenly lexin Berkeley just hi there destructing to stay up right. I see and you're notes you're talking about Brooklyn sense of humor. You Hey, really appreciated mine Lexington's going on about the fight. And Brooklyn is like Oh. Yeah. Totally. Begging for mercy. Alex is like. Oh, yeah. Yeah Okay but you really had him on the ropes there. We were nailing it. Here we need to make a plan and Lexington's basically like let's go and night nice plan. Yaqoob the winner of the fight is always imprisoned afterwards. Just chill out because Daddy Gla- is going to save us. It's fine brought snacks. We'll just eat the snacks and we'll just wait for rescue Broadway birth through the side of the ship does your snacks. Snacks like you guys are still imprisoned. You said something about snacks. Takes their snacks and leaves Yoga Turkey legs. What do we? Look Lynn is just like. Let's look. Daddy Goliath. Save us. It's far. And Lexington has having none of it. I could do myself God and then scratches at the wall like an angry cat. Okay is that the plan? Scratching, the wall. Okay. Well, we'll move topside because. The pack is top side and they are gearing up for fight by playing around with the laser pistols and I guess checking the bullets laser bullets I don't know what they're now the charge I don't know how the future works, but I wanted to point out that. So the pack planning on Spring a trap on the Flying Dragon men, their enemies they can descend from the sky and I was curious. Where would you plan to spring a trap from win attacking argument? Is it the lowest point on the deck? I put myself on the open. Look around wildly. And is hope. I love how they were all looking like off one edge, and then like the goggles were coming from behind them and it's like they're coming from the side, the other side. I love me a good goliaths roar like. To roar announce yourself like right up on them. Yeah. No, they were not paying attention. They were not. They were looking in the total opposite direction. So. We've got the being stupid on one side Goliath being stupid from the sky and a bad s fight sequence meets in the middle. Yes. So Okay cool. Yeah. Broadway. Swoops in from behind with a pack is in just boils down three of these dudes they did not see coming and it was pretty glorious. Broadway really has some very good action bits in this big fight. Yeah. He doesn't always get to play that kind of fighter guy. He did in the previous episode in a lot of time for him. It's just bending guns in half which he does he does. He did it in a way that was actually really cool I feel like he turned into like a boomerang and like used as a weapon. Yeah, he's like, oh, no guns are fine. They just can't shoot good bludgeoning tools. It's actually the macgyver exception macgyver hated guns to as was covered in an episode where he shot his friend as a child he was fine clubbing people with them just fine like it's not that they don't like weapons. It's that I don't like Firearm Yeah Blunt Force head trauma than bullet wound. I'm always saying that. It's kind of like ashtrays. So while the pack is getting into this fight Koa makes a break for like a punk. He's like you guys got this I gotta go I remembered late for thing. Is like fuck this. And takes off on foot because wings ads. Fine. So Broadway is dodging attacks from Wolf, who we want to talk about off your game wolf got taken down by Lexington and now he's struggling with. Broadway. Well, Hudson takes Oh. God guys fucking bad as. Ho. He is a regularly proof of why having a weapon issue Barry use the rest of you gargoyles. And he soared fucking took down three. So he spitting some fire trash-talk I wanNA play a clip because he's got some killer one liners dude. Let him talk. Yeah. When they don't leave him back at the clock tower, he's got some good trash talk and it goes on and. None of us getting any younger any. It's amazing and he manages to Fling Hyena into Broadway, which causes the destruction of locked hatch that was keeping the other bras prisoner. So that means Lexington and Brooklyn. Can Join in the fight and Lexington can get some sweet sweet revenge. Here's the oil drums that you mentioned earlier they spilled. Yeah. I mean, how are you going to have a big climactic fistfight on a flaming ship if he can't set it up these are checkoffs oils both exactly you never see oil spill anywhere or gasoline or anything without it eventually getting lit on fire absolutely and one thing we've learned about this show they love exploding. The show loves to set things on fire. One of their main three artists could draw explosions really well, and so they always tried to work it into the plot. Yeah. Like they go to the grocery store and it explodes. All right. Cool. We'll send that artists kids a script. Wait a minute. Wait a minute he's reading through is like where are my explosion? I'm supposed to get the explosion scripts. All. Improv it's. flaming. Goliath manages to corner that. Coyote and he tries to use the gun on Goliath but that shit don't work glides it's like stunned momentarily and then he just fucking powers through it like a motherfucker he's been listening to so much metal. Barely, hear at all. So it's it's fine. Tonight essays today again well, going gets to coyote and rips the helmet off to unmask who this person is and Lo, and behold it is his arch nemesis deluxe. Dun Gas moment even though we already. Yeah. Great, if this was the first time we saw under the. That's a really silly but Goliath is getting new information I guess. Yeah. If anything I feel like this makes Goliath want to fight him even more so and this is that all important oil spill comes into play because deluxe takes a point blank shot at Goliath with his with his laser gauntlet any misses he misses a point blank shot. They're hugging they're. He well, they're hugging the yeah he was. He was just hectic. He's like, Oh no, I'm GONNA shoot shoot. Shoot shoot. Don't like daddy don't like Al but he does he shoots he set ablaze. All of that sweet sweet crude would a laser do that to oil? No. I didn't think so not even the thing that they said that the gun is would necessarily do that. Well, this is from his gauntlet so it could be a different bias but still. It just shoots matches. That's really annoying. Stop that that would burma face guys come on. Now everything is on fire fires happening, and we'd go back down to the lower level and everyone's fighting everyone's kicking everyone. Else's ASS. This is where Broadway snaps a gun in half and used as a weapon. Hudson. Being Hudson and bad ass with his sword and Goliath is fighting deluxe in here is when the actual twist to the show comes. Franc's just comes out of nowhere and he pounces on big D and he starts tearing his face off and we're like, this is brutal right this Russa when I was watching I was just like. Who Good Bronx has been running this entire episode is just now catching up with them. They had to sit on a boat that went out to the tanker. Circles he got to keep the momentum going. From one end of the vote to the other the back to the front. But this is when it's revealed when Quixote slush deluxe removes his hand from his face that we see that he is actually a robot. A robot all. Along Moment. I was like wait a second. Is this just a robotic deluxe or is deluxe? Actually a robot is owned the man behind all master that would be brilliant. That'd be pretty cool actually. I thought, Oh my God Bronx has maimed her like mauled Santos announced Santos is going to have. To face thing going on where he's like. That would be cool. But then he he opened the showed circuitry and I was like. Yes not what's under my skin but okay. So Robo Iot gets up for another attack he's not done. lexi Tim blows a fucking hole in the robot's chest house finds a laser rifle. How is Broadway? Okay with that, right? Since they know he's a robot now but still, Oh yeah they're totally foot clan Santos like now that we've established at the robot, we can do whatever because it's a robot we can super duper violent. It's amazing. How quickly that shift happens it? It's weird it. They don't even come away given Lexington side I or anything like Whoa Buddy ratcheted up to eleven here. And that's robot. Robo Robo deluxe all the above, and then the ship is still burning and. Everything's telling fire who cuts off his head I. don't even know that it must of totally missed that. Yeah I think it was really I think it was basically like when they would've cut away to Broadway being upset about the gun instead I think cousin came over and just decapitate. Jesus head definitely does away. It was wild, what the Hell gargled. Robot no holds barred. They don't even treat the Robo goals that bad nine, the head and body are separate because when the ship is going down, you see the body fall off the side of the Shit I totally missed that that's wild. Okay. Well, that's needlessly gruesome even though it's a robot before the Boat Foley Sinks in the pack at this point has already runaway ahead for some reason has a flying. In just flies off what? I didn't see that either you kidding it flew back to takes off and leaves like from thing or something. Does it grow wings? No it just it has rockets out of the. Rather just launches and goes away. Totally. Bad. Back Deluxe and the castle I was wondering how he got it. I totally miss that whole. Ari. That's nuts. So yeah, the pack runs back to the Feature Plane Brooklyn Lexington, saves, Brooklyn. I can't remember what happened to him. I do not remember the last part of the. Knocked out and he was about to fall into the water. Yeah. Okay. And what's been grabbed him by the tail and pulled Oh God. Lexington had the choice to either use his big crazy gun and shoot at the pack flying off for Safety Shoot Brooklyn I mean. He was looking at both of them in the scope and I, was like all right, easy though. I mean you might be mad at him but still you rookery brother chill. and. Then it looks like they're gonNA leave Bronx High. Alliance is a good daddy done. Saved him. So all of the heroes make it out safely because this again is a children's program and this whole sequence was probably the most exciting scene or sequence that any episode has had I. Did this one, right it was crazy. Yeah. Okay. Well, from here we go to Fox's parole hearing. This was annoying. Like probably maybe the most real world accurate it just like. Yeah you can go your name is. For that part yeah. Okay. Loyal to serve out your sentence you can go you read our tre. It's fine. You read you did the reading list. You didn't fall into the trap of Reading Nature Kafka. It's fine. I'm more along the lines of she was granted early parole and then turns around and exits the prison that how for all works I think it is actually I think when you're parole hearing is up and you might get it I think you pack up really I don't know why I think I know that but I think that's the case. Okay. If you're expecting to get parole, you basically leave from your role hearing I. Think he doesn't always work like that but sometimes I think it can work like that did study criminal justice. So you're probably did I didn't study. I guess right the book on is really more. Santos's paying off the parole board and you get to leave right then. that. Speaking of good old deluxe Alex is waiting for his lady love. Apparently, it's time for a celebratory kissing they make out. Hey. I was like, Oh, I don't know I was like this is intense was intimate and came out of nowhere. Yeah. There's been plenty of tension between different characters and that's the first kiss we get. That's the first time we see them together. Yeah. We'll Fox was fan girling. Yeah. As they showed in the previously on but like it never looked like, I mean certainly not the way the episode ends with the Word Right like Oh my God deluxe going on and on about true love like who the fuck are you. happening, talking about a new product is companies bringing market. True. And then it ended great. My last note is dot. All if it was any other character, it'd be like that's Kinda sweet. Can build another robot any day but true love is hard to find or something and I'm like, yes I mean I. Guess that's sweet but he's the bad guy and she's also a bad either like yeah. So how did you guys feel about the fact that the whole prison break was staged just so she could have a chance at early parole I mean deluxe is the richest man on the planet I feel like he could have paid off the parole board without doing the he loves his complicated in exaggerated plots though like yeah, he can't do anything simple. He was also product testing. And this is the only way he could think of. Leslie finished the episode. James Finish. The episode can I ask one question about Fox real quick you wait till after our ad break when we're talking about the episode inner thoughts. Okay. Listeners out of throw it. Yeah. Be Right back. Only. We'll jack the gym loving male nurse. Hoti managed to win the heart of the spunky blue haired web designer. Maggie join us every other week to discover if this. Pair have their happily ever after or fill out the end love and lust season one is coming to clam be cash dot com wherever you find your podcast. Twenty eighteen. Jane. Liz We're back. We just finished talking about season two episode Gargoyles leader of the pack from now James have any final thoughts on this episode question concerns is that a tattoo on Fox i? I have asked that question it is never or has yet to be addressed because I'm wondering was she dubbed Fox and then. The deluxe brand, her I right is that a test of love I thought it was like a cybernetic thingy but she had it in prison and you don't to keep your cybernetic encampments and prison. Everyone knows that that's the first thing. You wrote the book. So I did I did that I made sure that was chapter one chapter one cybernetic enhancements chapter to what is early parole. So. What you guys think I really liked this episode. This is a good opener for a season high really liked. The season finale were so so good that like I'm not sure if beat that for me, but it was definitely APPs there agreed I agree with Ed I'm sorry guys I'm not GonNa ask you. If you thought deluxe is planned was dumb but I'm not not going. I'm just GONNA use those words and let you say whatever you feel I mean it was a very Alexi thing to do. If it was very strong. Extra. James. Any thoughts I? Mean? I'm not saying it was dumb not at all. All right. So have we talked about how Zanoto says basically trump trump was successful and handsome. Like. Still as evil I think Santos is what trump thinks he is like I'm handsome I'm clever I have all this money and everyone all my plans are like fiendish. What we all think about trump. He's very handsome and very successful we. Yeah, right anyways. I gotTA. I. GotTa go. But Yeah I like the rich billionaire. Is really interesting like the Ritz New York billionaire. WHO DOES I? Don't know what plans I guess never seem to work out is really interesting and yet spineless just like all the rest shoot them, shoot the Gargoyles, break them during the day. That's what I've been confused about him to like. So often he's like, no, no, no, no. Don't hurt them just capture. But then he doesn't like this. Are you trying to counsel because you? You seem like you're trying to kill in satellite I'm GonNa Punch the Air and if you happen to be in the space where I'm punching and you happen to get punched while I, guess that's your fault like I'm GonNa Happen, the start some explosions, and if you happen to die in those. That's on you bud. That's not on me to me fulltime I've thought of him like. If Tony Stark never got conscious he would be David Data. Here's a Shitty Tony Star Yeah. Yeah I get that they're both war profiteers and stuff. Yeah. But Tony freaks out when he realizes what's been happening, you try to stop it whereas David Leans into it he has a change of heart because David is a robot You can't have a change of heart. He's already the iron man. He's already Iran man. That ironic. Don't you think luck you know perhaps a little too ron and I really do think that guy's Dingo is unnecessary character agree or super great. He should go back to Europe he was. In. Love is across Europe. Well. Any final thoughts? I liked it and I liked our guests to. That guy he's over there. Lose to the outgrow. You're part a very exclusive group of people that Justin joined the season two opener defenders of the night with like to thank Ian McGowan for creating our various interstitial music check him out on Instagram and twitter at easy underscore breezy underscore Mac and listen to his music at good deep music dot band camp dot com or sweet gum Stl van Camp Dot Com. If you WanNa Talk Gargoyles or your favorite philosopher I. 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Sins of the Father

Beam Me Up: A Star Trek Podcast

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Sins of the Father

"The Final Frontier. This is about saving the few humanitarian. This huge victory dives graduate. Action is not motion now. Welcome to another episode of Beam me up a star Trek podcast. I am Brent Alan. I have seen every episode of Star Trek Multiple Times and I met Sonnenburg and this is my first time through the series and this is the show where Matt has given me one seven season. Run to introduce him to the entirety of Star Trek. And see if I can't beat him up into the FANDOM and I'm doing that by showing him select episodes of Star Trek to give him an encompassing world view of the universe and the future and the message that Star. Trek is trying to put out there but before we get into that. I JUST WANNA remind everybody that you can visit us on the web ad. Be Mia pod dot com all sorts of things to browse through over there including multiple ways of contacting us Also if you'd like to support show or if you want more of what you've been hearing here head over to patriots dot com slash. Be Mia pod which is where post all extra content extra viewings into. Can you get the access to the beam me up? Discord C can chat directly with Brenton. Today's episode is from Season Three of Star Trek the next generation titled Sins of the Father or as I like to call it the one about worse daddy issues in case. It's been awhile since you've seen this episode. Maybe you're not watching along with us. This is the one where warf seeks to defend his family's honor by going to the Klingons who say that his father did bad things and worth goes matt before we get into the details of this episode. I'm curious give us an overall your overall thoughts kind of going into the sins of the father is. It took a couple of turns. I wasn't sure where it was going like. They had a nice introduction to it because they actually made sense from what we've watched before They were completing this exchange program. I remember that okay. Okay but which by the way when we sat down to do these particular order like episodes. Yeah I did not think this one because I didn't play that at all like it. Just it just happened that way so yes well happy coincidence yes in any case. I I it kind of got real in a little bit dark thereafter. It wasn't it wasn't quite the same type of episode. Has the other half of the exchange program so I not what I expected. I guess is the best best way to explain it. All right all right I can say definitely I mean and when I was writing out the recap I I remember sending their thinking like man. This starts Brighton Jerry. And we're just we're just doing the exchange program and IT TURNS OUT WITH WARF- in Dark Chamber and Card in a back alley on Cronos the home world of Cleland's and Yikes so what a what a turn. What an adventure. So well. Before we get into that and we'll we'll go through all the details. Let's stop for a second and do our kind of character actor spotlights to people like to highlight today. The first one is one of our guest actors. Tony Todd who is playing commander? Kern or can't warf's brother. Tony Dot is a very accomplished actor. His page Is about as long as he is. And he's six foot five like it's it's just huge. He has been on almost everything and in many things multiple times. And it's no different than those guys he just is We're GONNA see him several more times over the course of of Star Trek which is why I bring them up because this is one of those places where we go. Hey remember that guy. Yeah he also plays this guy this guy and this guy. We're going to see him as for the trekkies out there Matt. You won't know what I'm talking about here but I for those of you guys out there tracking long. He's going to be is going to come back as a horizon and we're gonNA see him in the great deep space nine episode the visitor and I'm not gonNA say which role he's going to be in there but For those of you guys out there who know what I'm talking about you understand why I'm pointing that particular show episode out and we will certainly be doing it on this show when we get there. He's also been involved in the fan film. The Star Trek the formerly Star Trek. And now not star. Trek anymore. Fan Film accent are and and he's just done several things so Tony Todd playing Commander current for our main Casto. Matt I bet you can't guess who it is. I WANNA point out today Would it be worth it would be wharf yes? Let's talk about war for otherwise known as Michael Dorn Now Michael Dorn did not study to be an actor unlike many of his truck counterparts he was not some Great Shakespearean actor prior to coming to track. That's just an. He studied television and radio. Production as a major in college. Not even acting. He was going to be behind the camera behind the microphone. You know you think about it certainly has a voice for radio you know I it. Just that's that's Michael Dorn. He got his first uncreditworthy role in the movie. Rocky as Apollo creeds bodyguard. Okay so it's just that he had a few other smaller roles throughout the seventies before getting hooked up with an acting coach. Eventually that led him in you know the mid eighties mid to late eighties to be cast as warf and then he was cast as warf again and then he was cast as worth again and he was cast as worth again and that's Brin pretty much his career he has done You know he has done a couple of other things since. Trek has ended by. It's been him as warf or him. As Michael Dorn who played were on star trek or something like that. His career has gone the way of many trek alumni I just can't get out of that track shadow. There's a difference though Matt for Michael Dorn He loves it. He is not opposed. He is not running away from it the way like force Kelley did or they'll shattner or you know any embraced it like I would think that's the way I would be sure if I ever got. Attached to a franchise like Thad somehow made my name with a franchise like that. It's like why not be like if people are going to to eat up the content That you create or you're in because of your connection to this franchise like your set And you're set for life you don't have to do anything else. And and you know I found this quote by Michael. Dorney says if what happened to the first cast is called being typecast than I want to be. Typecast of course jobs after track but look at them. They're making their sixth movie namely someone else in television. Who has made six movies so like I said he's often appeared as himself as as either himself or as warf he's been in it and that's true whether or not it's it's live action. Television shows mostly actually future trek episodes or animation. He's been in the family guy and a couple of other things or even in video games you know any time they come up with Star Trek video game there. He is as worth. Can we borrow your voice again? Exactly and by the way that sixth movie that they were they were filming. He's referencing the undiscovered country. Which you and I watched. And if you remember he actually got a role playing the grandfather of his character and that six movies so you know. I think he's okay with it. You Know Yeah Yeah Now with that Michael. Dorn has a big aviation geek He's a fairly accomplished pilot which I didn't know before. Kind of looking at this for for today's episode But it explains a lot of the comments that I hear him making a lot of his interviews. Okay so it it does get roughly. I just didn't know that this was a piece of it. He's actually owned several jet aircraft. One of them was a lucky star shooter or something to which he calls that his starship. You know so okay. Whatever and in He's flown with the Blue Angels. He's flown with the thunderbirds. So that's that's Kinda his. I guess his thing. I mentioned that sense Trek has ended. He's been seen in lots of different. You know he's. He's had several roles on TV live. Tv like a guest actor here and there voiceover with lots and lots of lots of different animated series. One I will point out like I have before lie. So many of his fellow T. and G. Caskey was one of the voices in Gargoyles animated series But I will always remember him outside of track as Sandman from the Santa Claus. Movies Yeah that's a deep cut. Think about it remember. I saw him in the second one where they have like. The Council of Fairytale creatures or whatever council of mythical creatures? And there's a tooth fairy and I'm Joshua's equals this year. Yeah because I recall that I've seen that and Michael Michael Jordan played Sandman off to back the hunt the very very sleepy very sleepy Sandman now with that just because his turn on trek is ended right. I gotTa tell you it does not mean that. He's done with the character because he does see instance two thousand twelve. He has been promoting the idea and he has continued to lobby for and pushed the idea of a star Trek captain war series. He he's been pushing. Hold your breath for that one to come to fruition. Though you never know the way they're going it's you know they're they're going to need more ideas soon. Go there you go. They're pumping them out right now. Is We're recording this so our matt. Well this is the part of the show where I'm going to turn the rest of it over to you because that's our that's our main character. Spotlight I walk through the scenes but I mean like I say this is really all about you and how you experienced the episode as we went along so please give us all your commentary. Stopped me wherever you like. Take us through this episode. Wherever you saw what stood out to you any questions. Maybe you had along the way sins of the father here. We go prologue. Hey remember last season when commander. Reiger was the first officer on board a Klingon ship. Well now it's time to return the favor. A KLINGON is going to be the first officer of the enterprise for a little while. This should be interesting. Kern commander rank Klingon Defense Force beams aboard and he's ready to get to work no Reicher. He doesn't want to see his quarters. I what he really wants is for you to get out of the way on the bridge current strutting around laying down the law when he briefly stops next to wharf. Hey look at that. Have the same heterogenous. How neat gives acting instant Wesley? Crusher a little dressing down and then assumes his chair well rikers chair and he gives the order for their next destination execute. Wesley Snipes back. Dude we engage here. I guess said this should be interesting. Yeah so it was an interesting setup by cassette earlier just finishing the exchange program. So got something going for it right off the bat but it actually didn't more. I think didn't really play out the way I thought it was going to cause he. He made a comment early on. It's like are you willing like I've done. I've done my homework I studied. Are you willing to do everything? Strictly by the book like Kern was basically asking either. Must have been talking to captain at that point or something because you know rancor was out of it. So he like Captain Gre- To of course why wouldn't but I'm I'm sitting there thinking that's going to be a problem. This show works. The Enterprise works because they never wipe go. Strictly by the book never quite follow the rules to the letter of the law. Type of thing like there's always that little bit of gray area. We're GONNA have some problems but like I said that's not really what does episode is about not really what happened right. I really just Kinda set up. How Kern was behaving yes. A little bit what. What interested you to know that. Originally these two storylines. The worst brother comes on board the enterprise and wharfs. Dad Is You know secret. Bad Guy Those are actually two separate stories. Those are two separate scripts and micro pillar remember. We talked about him. I think last week. Michael Piller is actually the one who said it to his writing staff Ronald D Moore. Actually where we'll talk about him at some point. I'm sure set him to combining the two scripts and making it into one story into one viable story so the the action was a. I think as actually well done. Yeah Yeah 'cause I don't I like I actually think cab a hard time seeing those. Those storylines split up into coherent episodes. Sure by themselves like I think they were better together. Chur now no I. I'm with you on that. I am definitely with you on that. Did you notice it all like like? It's it's a if you look at the two right next to each other. They're hedges are the same. Did you notice that at all? I didn't yeah so like it's not something that stood out to me I. I should have paid more attention after they kind of made a point about that. Because I have looked at other klingons before. And it's like wow they you know there's a lot of different ways they can make those different But yeah I never went back and considered dead. There's might be more similar because they're related. Yeah exactly and it's I mean and there's there's a very clear moment right there that prologue where is going around. He's going on any stands next to work and like both of their heads are like side by side. And you've I mean if you know what you're looking for you very clearly can see that it's the same. I mean familiar some familial traits. I guess so anyway but I I guess the big thing out of that that we I guess we learned just by Observation. Not so much by anybody ever telling us or anything star Trek. That heterogenous are a familial traits. You know and they can get passed down like yeah. It makes sense as far as far as I know soclean on thing. So why wouldn't it kind of run in the family? Say because it's not. It's not like Hairstyle that they're they're able to push around their ridges and say I'm wearing my ridge on the left today right right and I mean it's actually i. It makes me think this past weekend. My my son got to meet for the very first time anybody. That's related to him other than his immediate family people who have his same last name like my my Dad's my dad was sort of the black sheep of the family sort of ostracized. A little bit and So I didn't grow up terribly close to that side of my family and They they were down here in Florida visiting and and we got to hook up with them and it was. It was good family. But it's first time he's ever seen People from that you know from the male gene pool out and and I'm sitting here and he looked so much like his mom he really does but when you fit him in next to me and my uncle and my cousin and you realize that the the male jeans and my family are very strong and very dominant like we are all and just. He's he's one of us like there's no denying he is absolutely. We are all part of the same family so Aaron just interesting to think about 'cause I've never thought about that but my dad doesn't have any brothers so like all my cousins and stuff have different last names Yeah there you go there you go all right back to star Trek as we consider our staff go family ties. Wow that's a cool thing to pull out of when we're talking about similar hemorrhages and things Some of you know what I'm talking about others will get to it when we get there are act one. Wesley is having a bit of a pity party in ten forward when Reicher joins them. Kern just doesn't seem to like Wesley. Turns out it's not just Wesley that he's rubbing the wrong way. Now it's Jordi and everybody else except for warf upon the bridge. We see what Wesley enjoyed. You're talking about current is definitely going easy on wharf too easy to the point of being insulting and warf to stand there taking it. Yeah I it's a weird dynamic for sure like the whole Wesley thing. I expected that my keys young. That's that's his character is. He's not going to deal with it. Necessary like he had a hard enough time with Picard. Much less new first officer that comes on and say okay. What I picked out of this is like I know what they're gonNA do with rancor. This episode wasn't sure. If this is going to be another episode where he just disappears. It's like Oh this hour gonNA write him out of this episode. So he doesn't have to be here except for the opening scene but in fact he actually played a pretty big role even though he technically stepped away from his post. Yeah did he did he. I'm trying to think. Did he really have a lot of screen time in this in this particular because in the beginning? Yeah but then he kind of let go away for for most of the episode after that. Yeah like like after after we figured out like the relationship the family relationship it was basically Klingons carb right. That's always saw which I'm sure probably was a little bit helpful because remember the last episode. Did the one immediately before this one. Even Star Trek timeline was rikers. First up or was France's first episode is director so yeah giving him the giving him a little bit more relief in this particular episode as well to finish up whatever. I'm sure directorate duties he had gone on Would just make sense but he certainly had a much bigger role in this episode than he did in the last one where all he did in the last one was get kist like like. I saying though. I could've seen it after he's like. Oh okay are you. You're going to step down and let him take your place. Sure and he's gone. He could have been there for like two lines of been out of there but he he was going to get to the other thing said the prologue and this year where where basically the crew is coming to complain to him. It's like hey do I know. He's he's in charge now but I kind of I. It's you have kids. When when they try to circumvent the parents right but right. They don't like the answer they got from so dad. Can you do something like this feeling I get here? It's like when they're talking to Reicher. It's it's like. Hey we don't really like the ways ships being handled could you? Could you maybe do something directly? But it's like what's going on here. That's funny that's that's an interesting way to look at. I certainly had not not consider that. How how did you feel? What was your initial impression when you saw kern treating warf the way? He was treating him because I mean that was. Certainly that was very obvious. Kind of what he was doing there. Yeah and I. It didn't click right away but eventually as like he kept pushing and pushing his like okay. We're not used to seeing Klingon Klingon ad so like I would argue. That war does kind of act differently when he's not in the presence of Clients Mike not to the point where you know. He's rejecting his klingon heritage or whatever but he expects different things from different people right so when he there is another Klingon he expects that Klingon to treat him a certain way Yeah yeah I I think I think the way it almost came across to me was I was thinking like wow Klingon like Klingons as a whole or anyone who knows about war like in Klingon society must really not have any respect for him you know like Oh really. Oh you're over here. You're not with us your over here you have so you must be real. Simple Right. Like your your. I'm GonNa push your buttons because I don't like you and basically he's being a bully right like that's that's the way read to me that yes. I like the lack of respect. A HAND. Basically does the word. I used as he soft. Oh yeah flagged they they. They think warfare soft. He's we're just get but he. He was bullying him trying to push his buttons and see where he's at. Yeah later we'll find out exactly why that's why he was doing that. He wasn't just being a bully. Turns out but we're not there yet. Let's continue here on their way to Kernan. Reicher Sheriff Turbo lift. Reicher tries to be diplomatic and offer currency advice having once been in his shoes but current would rather have just killed them for even offering such suggestion in the dining room. Current is looking at the food the way that we looked at Klingon food back on that other episode. There's a little repartee in. Kern really isn't liking food. Which is just too bland for the stomach of a Klingon jump. Cut TO WHARF freely shoveling down the food into his mouth. Well this just got awkward. Yeah I think earn may have the best line of the episode in the scene here. Oh Yeah Yeah. How long has this been dead to been lying in the sun for some time? I never really thought about that. Like in the other episode in the earlier episode we Got Reicher. Who had had planned ahead? He he ordered some this who got. You started preparing himself his stomach as best he could but I never really thought about like a lot of stuff was still alive kind of raw and so they don't really cook their food like us. Humans to right. Yeah seems this bird has been lying out in the sun for some time right and I love the fact that they had a big Turkey there. I mean big. I mean just a beautiful golden Turkey. I love that they had that. Because and this is my own personal opinion. Matt I don't know about you my own personal opinion. I tend to not like Turkey. I think Turkey is very bland. And it's not very flavorful. Like even the best in the world I I. It's flavorful gotta put a maybe a little bit of salt on it or curry sauce or or you know what and I'll eat it traditionally at Thanksgiving time but after that I don't really care to eat. Turkey the rest of the year. I get where you're coming from. I'm a ham die though I should say the majority of Turkey is going to be Kinda Bla- like mute in general is kind of bland when you think about it depends on the spices. You put with very. Yeah because it's all on the spices. Or You marinate it or you know all this different stuff we do to meet. And how often do you actually just eat a plain chicken right without doing anything to you? Don't but but that that's kind of what we get. Turkey I think is. We can't just take this bland Turkey and cooking. You put it in a bag you cook it and maybe put some stuffing in it. But that's not going to affect the rest. The weird that's Weird Flavor. The stuffing but not necessarily. Yes the one thing. I will recommend that that may change your mind. A little bit is if you ever get the chance. Grill your Turkey Grill. It yes before. It's cooked her after. Like like like like reheating it as leftovers guerrilla. No No to cook it really. Turkey is fantastic. That data I think is probably the best Turkey. Had My my father in law. We're going to have to talk off line about how to grill Turkey because I can't even imagine what that's like. But let's talk about that offline after dinner workers to see. Kern in his quarters as quarters which are much too comfortable for a Klingon warfare like dude. What's the deal? Why are you dissing me Kern prods? Worth a little more until worth erupts in rage are gone. I am groot. It's basically Lakers say. He's pushing his buttons. Try to find out if he's got any Klingon left in him sure or he's completely gone soft and Gandhi side. And it's just a human with heterogenous which you know again and that's where you go back to. This is how a Klingon operates. This is the way Klingons work with each other. He's not just bullying the guy he's actually trying to see what's in there. He's trying to see what he's made of. Is there something there and turns out? It's a lot more personal than just stay than just. Hey are you a Klingon? Yeah because that's the response that Kern was looking for the response of a Klingon. The response of his older brother. Dunstan asa shocking. And the whole Klingon thing like if I would have thought about it. More about the the the other half of this exchange when when we did see a lot of cleanse interacting with each other like this would seem a little bit less of place. I guess But at the same time I think it was well written acted well-directed because we as viewers kind of start to have the same questions I think about warf. It's like how are you going to react to this? Are we going to see that Klingon side commodity because we we don't normally right like I was saying like we he? He doesn't really act that way because he's not interacting with other Klingons. Sure and it's it's an interesting thing. Because for as much as starfleet is about it. Nick about infinite diversity in infinite combinations about accepting all people where they are and their cultural and societal norms When you're in starfleet you conform to the way that starfleet operates chair you know what I mean like. That's once you've made that decision You basically signed a contract and said yes. I will follow your rules. This is how I will operate as a starfleet officer and I. I don't I honestly don't know how I feel about that because there really is supposed to be this. I'm going to honor and respect and appreciate your culture and the various cultures where you come from but as a starfleet officer. This is how we respond. Which is the way that we respond in our own cultures humans Meaning in the future. Not necessarily here but you know so. You got warf who is constantly in this. This battle is the right word. At least we see it in this episode between how do you cling on and do the things that Klingons do and be a starfleet officer? What do you do when those two two ideals don't mash up while I think he handles it quite well actually like? When they're on the bridge he's starfleet officer and he you know just took it from his commanding officer essentially but then when he gets into private quarters and like even that he kind of took the starfleet approach. It's like requesting permission to speak freely in that type of thing. But then he goes at them and just kind of lets loose and at that time like we are right at that moment when he did that. Because we still in no that that was brother. Like okay How's this Guy GonNa React? Is he just GonNa tear them to shreds now privately? Like what what's going on 'cause I when they're on the bridge. I was sitting. There didn't know what kind of reaction he was trying to get from WARF And obviously based got the idea that wasn't in giving him the reaction that he wanted but I didn't know what reaction he was looking for right that certainly once we get to the end of this particular act and we realize Oh. He's testing out his brother because he wants to see if he's actually still. Is he worth letting somebody go? Defend the honor of his family. But Hey let's get to that part right there next to time for the back story. Once upon a time war from his parents set out for a place called Kilmer hearn was just a year old at the time so they left him behind with a family friend but they didn't tell anyone apparently when everything went to hell in a handbasket kit. Emmer wharfs parents both died in the attack. The KLINGON high command assumed that Kern was with them and also died. Officially leaving warf as the sole survivor is family and allowed him to be taken by a starfleet officer. Nb raised by humans current himself had only just learned the truth when he reached the age of ascension. So Kern requested this assignment to come in suss out. Just how KLINGON WHARF STILL was. The KLINGON High Council has recently judged their father as being a traitor to the empire for sending secret codes to the Romulus helping them in the attack on the customer outpost and in doing so bringing dishonor on the whole family for seven generations as the oldest son. The challenge is worth to make in a four fails. He will be executed. He goes in ask. Captain Picard to grant him leave to go take care of this to which captain picard declines. You won't let me do this. Unless he can be by his side. Time to high tail it to the first imperial city of the Klingon Empire and current is just so proud of his big brother. Yes so this. This scene where it just went downhill fast real fast right. Acholi. I mean okay. So it's like oh it's his brother. Okay so he just wanted to find out more about his brother and his family no trader. He's being charged. She's book what is going on. Defend himself like it just got worse and worse and worse I okay. Well that's one way to go about it. I guess so I. At this point I was just along for the ride. I stopped trying to figure stuff out. That's the best way to approach some of this stuff man with the riders. Want to take you where we're going. Let's do it so let's find out what happens. So we're going to the imperial city of the Klingon Empire. Matt I don't know if they actually gave us the name of the city. Do you recall it at all? I do not I mean. This is the capital city of Klingon Empire on their home planet which is called Kronos okay. That's just just so you know the name of the Home Planet is Kronos. They never defined it though but this is the very first time in Star Trek like in all of Star Trek that we go to Cronos okay. We've never seen before. This is the very first time it appears in mind cause yeah. Cronos is a fairly popular. Sifi name I think this one however is spelled cue. Uh-huh apostrophe and os on them. I don't know where the sound comes from. Very Klingon of they might be. It's definitely kronos. There's no it's not cute I you know and and that's what I'm saying now. I'm sure that's what they were doing. They wanted to use that name like no. This is planet so we got a spell. It like this because I i. I don't know if I've mentioned before but when I'm watching these. I almost always have the subtitles on not only so I can catch what make sure I catch what they're saying but then when like there's a new character and I'm taking my notes I want to know how to lead character's name and stuff so i the the Klingon language. I'm surprised how much they actually type out Like someone has act like you must have been in a script or something like this is how it's spelled. It wasn't just like all right for this scene. We want you to say this. Make it sound like you know or or just speak Gobbledegook and we'll call good it like. I would have expected most of this stuff to be subtitled speaking in Klingon reds. Right talking about right this this stuff. I can't read. That doesn't help me at all. Like okay okay but someone has obviously put some time into this so good for you. I guess right and good for the actors like there are a few few phrases. I've I've caught from time to time that are repeated to like. I couldn't tell you exactly what they mean but I'm sure somebody can. Hey listen and the one the ones that you will pick up on and you'll hear again and again and again as we continue to watch and see more KLINGON episodes you'll pick up on them and you'll understand what they mean and you'll even find the one that was misused in this particular episode. Maybe GONNA. That's not really what that word means but okay let's move on with it. Yeah and in as a as a kind of little sides for a little production note you remember the part of the story and I don't remember exactly where it is but where I think it's right after picard becomes the chat each and he says something to wharf in Klingon like is a full on Klingon sense yet. The original script just called four Patrick Stewart. To just say a single word in Klingon and he was the one who went back and said No. No actually I think picard would know like the entire line like he would know the entire rich like it's it's a it's a ritual line. You know he would. He would know that he would have studied that and learn how to say that particular line. So you know it's it's You know go get on them for for. Not just keeping that within the The the Klingons you know but for allowing somebody else shirt say. Something's well so back to the story here. End Forward. Current is talking to worth current as talking warf through the process of what's about to happen. Wharf is going to need a chatty each to act as sort of a bodyguard warf agrees and declares the two sons of mobile restore the family. Honour Warf protests. He doesn't want current to reveal his true parentage. Her and doesn't like get a he eventually agrees which is a little bit surprising. Yeah me how strongly Kern came into this whole situation with we are Klingon and at one point I in the scene. He he mentioned a Klingons honor means more him than his life right. Like so y Ella like I just have a hard time believing he would ever agree to these terms but I guess if there was anyone is GonNa bend rules for. It would be his brother. I mean you know as the younger brother His honor depends on doing what his older brother tells him to do. Yeah right so I mean I guess. That's the way that I could that I would square those two ideas right. You're fully right about that that that I think that's what I'm getting at. It's like if if it was anyone absolutely anyone besides warf. He would not agree to this right and I think this goes back to show like truth be told. Okay just truth be told I get. Workers raised mostly on earth by humans. Warf isn't a very good cling on Or He's like the most Klingon of clinging like he's the he's trying too hard sometimes but we'll get in bad klingons and embiid. Oh sure sure we will. Hey did you catch the end of their dad? I don't recall. It's Moberg goal from the House of the sons of bogue. Okay so That'd be another question. I guess our Klingons another race as far as we know that go singular name and yeah yeah the name And it's it. It'd be worth son of Mobile Kern son of mode. Ross son of Gerard. So that is first name. It's not right and by the way the ball drik. That worth wears the little like so. You have the silver sash. But the little like emblem. That's up on his chest if you ever look at it. That is the symbol of his house. That is like his household symbol of the house of of Mug to show in the House that he belongs to so when I never clear on and as much as I've watched our trek I'm never clear on. When does it become the House of war? You know like whose parents is. Is this what? That's why I have a hard time with with these single name characters because does does that passed down from generation generation. Simple stay the same. You just change. The name of it does each generation create their own symbol. Or like do you add onto the symbol and then it becomes your APP. Give me some more information than I can roll with it but I just have so many questions when they right because like I. It's so foreign to me right like I tried to think of any kind of and I'm I'm I'm thinking of my entire knowledge of Star Trek things like on the one hand you sit there and go okay. Whoever the the eldest living member of the family is that's who's house it is okay. Well that's not GonNa be the case here because mugs supposed to be dead right. Yeah I mean not supposed mogas dead so okay. Maybe it's it's the name he used to honor your most immediate parent like Whoa. Let's say wharf ever had children. They would be of the House of WARF. Yes so warf would never be of the house of warf his chiltern would he is going to be of the House of Moke right. So maybe it's that or but I also know that you don't necessarily have to be related like you can be adopted into the family as well and the guy doesn't have to be dead like he can still be alive. I know that as well so I just don't I don't get it and I'm pretty sure the one guy was he like he was the head of his own house that I'm thinking of right now So it's it's. I'm not sure that the writers of Star Trek actually fully paid the they'd they never felt it necessary to clarify and so right. Different writers approach different ways. It's just one of those things in the back of my mind that I'm like how that's actually supposed to work somebody. They're probably hey. If you know right in going to beat me up dot com and click on our contact over there and shoot us. Let us let us know exactly how that happens. So but hey bag on the episode. Look at that. The Enterprise has arrived at the first imperial city of the Klingon High Council in the Chambers of the High Council Warf Kern writer and Picard approach and warf declares the challenge. Get ready for a lot of weird talking. 'cause they're going to get ready for the U. Musk yell to be heard in this chamber Seton. Well I think what I meant by this was like Michael Dornan's at their go. I'm warf to serve arches against my father her like it's very weird the way that there are not here for that. So it's it's very effective. They were in an arena. Like okay. I'm going to relate this to football When when the referee is making announced over the PA system The good ones they experienced ones will give you that they kind of weight that half second between phrases for the reverb to come through so th they're not like talking over themselves as much as possible and I kind of get that sense here to accept. They don't have like they're just amplifying their own voice and so they're they're kind of breaking it up like that where they're giving you this phrase and then the second half of the phrase and just Kinda. It's weird but this whole time. I just felt like they're all just yell. They're they're standing ten feet away from each other and yelling at each other in an angry way necessarily is basically I? I the the only way you will respect me as if I talk X. for lower now this is how I gotTa Talk. That's where I'm going. You know what I'm Gonna I'm GonNa go with you on that I'm Gonna I'm GONNA call it. That's what it is. It's just it's weird to me. It's weird to me but hey listen. Kids directed episode. Yeah that's the way they do it in Klingons like it's just part of how they did that's that's I think ultimately that's what I've got to. That's what I've got a chocolate up to. I don't like it but I'm hey you know they got different some. You don't have to answer this fee. Don't want to but Do ever get another instance of Klingon High Council we will okay does do these things that we're talking about now. Play out the same way. For the instances just different. So it's hard. Yeah I'd have to. I'd admittedly I've never thought about one or the other just. This one is so fresh in my mind. Yup so I I hate have to say I'M GONNA have to watch that episode again. I think we can both agree though. That is very awkward very awkward. Yes absolutely speaking of awkward. Let's move on act three. Hey Warf you challenge the High Council. Are you prepared to die all right? Encourage over there's the jet each got it. But what's this human doing here? Cartels them these there at his own request that WARF has served with distinction and earned this PA- cards admiration and respect the Klingon chancellor respects notes cards. Go ahead I. I just clicked in my mind too. I think part of the reason this this awkward speech pattern that we're talking about stood out to me more because picard tried to imitate it. I don't think I noticed that did he. That's funny I think I think he did. Patrick Stewart nailed it better than Michael Dorn bid. Yes no because I think all the Klingons kind of fit together. But I'm sure hard I it felt off like his voice isn't like as as as big and deep as Michael doorns or all the rest of the guys that are playing klingons right that they they that part. I think they did well. Whoever they cast play the Klingons always do kind of have this big booming voice whereas Patrick Stewart not so much and like I said I think he was trying to imitate the same. You know had the same sternness gruffness. Maybe I don't know how to explain it but that's it's interesting. You say that because one of the the critiques. That friends of mine who who are around me often we'll make as as I go between different people groups who have different accents and and whether they're they're different people groups from right here in America or even people who are international whether I'm in their country or or I'm speaking to them here in America either way like I've had multiple note how like I tend to slip into trying to imitate whoever I'm talking to you know which is helpful on on one side because when when I'm trying to speak another language and I guess it could be just being really super nice but I'm I'm often told that I have like a good accent like like. That's a really good accidentally. You do that really well. I don't know what the Heck I'm saying. I'm just you know it's a good skill to have but I don't do it intentionally. Like just what cards happening here too. You know what? What is the the the the idea? I got behind. It was picard. Basically trying to show his respect for the situation it. That's that's kind of how I took it as like he understands the situation and like you were saying when when he had that clear on phrase that he spoke Lake Yeah I would have studied this would i? I know enough about Klingon Culture Klingon language to be able to speak this much and so I like that's the feeling on God. It's like he understands how this high council works and so he is going to do things the way they do things as much as possible. Basically like we saw record right. Sure sure and so now the cards almost in Reicher shoes here. He's the only human in his vast fields of klingons right. Yeah Butch by the way it again. I know that that frakes was probably still dealing with a lot from his other episode that he had directed and stuff and I understand that the cards the captain but it appears it seems to me like like Jonathan frakes Reicher specifically would have been the better person to come in and do this given his exactly and Reicher certainly can be a powerful commanding figure. Just like pattern card is i. You know I could. I could see that. Yes but but because I from what I've seen. Reicher is a new addition to the ship right at the beginning of the series. So how much more relationship do Picard wore? Have well the the okay so let me just clarify that just so you know when the when we meet Picard. That is the first voyage of the enterprise like out on their first official mission like so those people like they may have done a couple of like little shakedown cruises and maiden voyages and things like that so they may have been together for a little bit. I it's just most of the crew. He picked up at wherever earth or wherever they. You know yeah. Mars Romney shipyards or wherever they launch from right. And it's like okay. We still need to pick up a few people and that's what we saw so there's all starting around the same time it's wasting. That's that's the idea. Got Her for sure but wh you know and I think we also get the idea that most of the screw is is patch works together. You know it's not carried over from cards former assignment aboard the stargazer or or other ships were so you know but even still it's I mean. There is a difference between the first captain between the First Officer. And the captain you know. There's a difference between Reicher card but I always wonder particularly with stuff like this what it would have been. Reicher would have stepped in those shoes as opposed to record but I think there was something specific that we need the character of Picard. To go through this with wharf you know. Just because he's the captain I I wonder though like they kind of considered for brief second. You know whether or not to really kind of accept him I think and even let him to stay in the room or whatever right and I kind of wonder if you step in and say I'm the first officer get out of here. He you have no place here is when it's like. Oh I'm the I'm his captain like they're not little. I think there are a lot less likely to kick him out of the room. Yeah it's it's definitely and with that the Klingon chancellor here's cards words respects and notes. Dome and then turns to. The man does right. Hey you brought the challenge so you tell us about it. Dorothy says the worst father sent the Romulus. The secret codes that resulted in the attacks and the loss of so many Klingon lives not just wharfs parents but his own his own as well as he steps into the light we get a really good shot at his head ridges which are completely different than wharfs. So yeah definitely not. Family draws proceeds to call not only worse father a trader but he calls warf the son of a trader giving him a strong backhand and ripping the Balturick from his chest. Your challenge will only end in your death. Duro says to which warf responds with the greatest Klingon saying other ever today is a good day to die but the day is not over yet. I love this phrase bat. Yeah the data die. It is of all the phrases we get. I think probably the most Klingon. It's I will tell you. This will be a phrase that we'll hear quite often not not so much the second half but just that today is a good day to die. So it's it's great. It's great while court is in recess picard returns to the enterprise to do some research on this case. Orphan. Current are meeting in the hallway but they are interrupted by the chancellor who wants to speak with WARF- as they leave current is handed a note. the chain trying to convince warf to leave the MECHTA. That's the trial thing we're doing. No shame will come to you off. Plus the accusation won't affect your life and starfleet at all and it won't affect your father either is dead. Warf can't believe what he's hearing he gets one last admonition leave now or be condemned as a traitor. This right here. This scene is like saying bad. Klingons like this is from from what we just came from with Kern And how he was like acting Super Klingon. Trying to find out if warf was still Klingon. Then we get this like ahead of the High Council coming down and saying. Hey you weren't supposed to be here. Get Out of here like this. Deception here is so it feels humans like this whole thing starts to basically come down to courtroom drama like seen this story many many times like now. I kind of know what could happen here. I don't know exactly what's going to happen. But at least understand the format that they're going to start taking with us now especially when Kerr goes and starts to his research and stuff. I'm like Oh boy. This is okay you could. You could set this in one thousand nine hundred New York to do the same thing right. Do you think this gives you a little bit of that like never meet your heroes. Because there's the there's the idea of how a Klingon is supposed to act and the Klingon High Council is definitely most definitely not acting Klingon. You know they're not but but would we find out all the way at the end and we won't spoil it too much. I mean at this point but when we find out what it is. You're like oh I get why doing this. It's it's not the Klingon way but there's a reason for why they're doing it this way. I guess but their reasoning once again is very anti Klingon. Yeah but you know. I guess when when push comes to shove sometimes you've got to go against your ideals against Wade this this comes down to kind of like we've had these discussions about the Vulcans. Well sure right right like the the closer we examined them. The more we find out that what we think of as Vulcan or as Klingon is actually kind of a stereotype. Yeah and many of the Klingons do not necessarily act that way. They might want you to think they act that way that you know that they're putting on a show for sometimes but that that's that's not how they all operate right right well speaking of how they operate while. Reiger and the crew are still searching for information. Current is about to be ambushed down on the planet. Dir Oss knows that current is also a son of mobile but if he stands down as chatty each dross will not tell us secret. Yeah that's going to happen. Dross LEAVES AND CLARIN GETS legit ambushed and stabbed in the gut. Yeah dirty dirty fighting. You really get the feeling. They're setting up derosa Seville inherit. Yeah yeah yeah mob boss Kinda like. We're going to have the secret meeting. I have my henchmen with me if I don't like what you what you say if I don't let your reaction well you're GonNa get I'm GonNa make enough you can't refuse essentially act for doctor. Crusher is working on Kern. He was stabbed with an assassin. He was stabbed with an assassin's weapon crusher declares the current will be okay but worth says she should have just let him die and withdraw snowing current true bloodlines. He will also be executed alongside warf upon the bridge. Data has finally discovered the basis for the charges against worst father. The KLINGONS recently captured Romulo ship with information about the attacks and it shows mogues personal security code being transmitted to the Romulus just before the attack. Reicher though wants to make sure that this log hasn't been falsified takes all of thirteen seconds for George to discover. Hey look these. Logs HAVE BEEN FALSIFIED. Talk about we. Just gotTa move the plot forward right. That's definitely part of it but at the same time it's once you know what you're looking for. Sure it's it's Li- yeah true over in the ready room but carden Warford discussing Kim pack. That's the High Councilor High Chancellor are discussing complex urging of war of to just walk away abandoned. His family's honour one thing is becoming clear. The KLINGON High Council never expected nor wanted this challenge with that war fast picard to be his new each to which part Picard Response Gibson Melody. Ziadeh he accepts. Yeah that one bagging in the High Council Chambers War from the card Beeman in proclaimed the challenge will go forward draws makes a fuss over at card the new each steps in and dares to try something back on the ship doctor coach Doctor crusher approaches. Reicher she's found yet another survivor of the massacre. It's K- lest wharfs nanny from when he was a boy. Back in the High Council chamber. Durham is telling us again. What data just informed us about regarding the charges against bogue while he's talking picard receives a message from reicher informing him about chaos twitch picard asks for recess so he can find her the recesses granted in the same Klingons that it's at Kern are eyeing picard menacingly. Dun Dun Dun not surprised at all like after the first ambush you know this is going to be a recurring the myths and as soon as someone beginning this someone said you know. You're getting close to something. Something they care a great deal about protecting unlike Yup Yup. I've seen this storyline before. Say anytime they find some new new piece information say well they're going to be in trouble? Should go alone right. You're going to okay right. Yeah Hey don't go in that house alone by yourself okay. We're going to sure act. Five BACARDI FINDS K. List on the bad part of town. She's still suffering from the effects that from the effects of the attack mourning the loss of the proud family that she once served. She's reluctant to come. Help the cartels are that the family she served needs her once again. She refuses and has card leaves. Guess what. He is ambushed by those same three klingons. He puts up a pretty good fight though but just as he's about to lose three on one. Kayla's comes to his rescue killing one of the attackers. She seems resolved now. She will help and Kim pack will know who she is good to know. Yeah and I think that's what Picard knew all along but this was a actually I think kind of mirroring the beginning of the episode right Where Kern comes in to to find out. What kind of a KLINGON WARF is But now here we see once again another Klingon not willing to help or give you the full story until you prove yourself And wants to card in. Her eyes proved himself that you know he. He could put up a fight that he was. He was trying to protect the right people. Or whatever us on the right side of things and psycho share. I'll help you. Is that what you thought it was and I only asked that because the the phrase that I kept trying to use the recap was she's suffering from PTSD. But I don't know that it's that now and I don't know what. Ptsd is enough to be able to to define it or diagnosis. That's just not who I am so I didn't want to call it that if that's not what it was but in my mind like that's what it certainly seemed like to me like she was still suffering from from those and then all of a sudden she just seemed to be like to go. I can see that. Yes she she. Maybe doesn't want to relive those days. She hasn't WanNa put herself back in that position but I think it was once she saw that Picard gnarly wasn't going to give up but she may be recognized like if they're sending all these assassins to get this guy who is on the right track because she obviously knew what she could do to help right and so like if they're if they're trying to kill him over this he's probably worth helping fair enough fair enough. Well it's a good thing that can pack is going to recognize que les because back in the Chamber Wharf is about to be condemned as the son of a traitor of a card in Kayla Center. Compact orders a private conversation and in his private chamber. Compact tells a babbling garage to shut up. That's when Picard finally figures it out. It's jurors dishonor. That's being hidden here. Is Father was the one who transmitted the coats? Romulus but the family is powerful. And if the truth was known it would plunge the Klingon into civil war. Mug was chosen to take the fall because his family was all dead except for warf. Who by the way was away in starfleet? Absolutely no evidence will be presented an open council. The EMPIRE WILL NOT BE SPLIT OVER ONE. Family's honour there's some conversation around what to do but in the end warf with the heart of a Klingon has an idea that will satisfy the cards order for him to not die and well current live and honor and we'll keep the empire from imploding. He will accept this combination in open council. Which is basically the same thing as admitting his father's guilt. Despite everyone know knowing the truth everyone agrees to keep secrets but just before going out to make it formal warf gets one in gets endure. Face you are the son of a traitor and he gives jurors that same backhand he received earlier out in the Chamber Cardis talking to current about the sacrifice. That is making here today someday. His father's name may be cleared and he will need his honor intact. The High Council including currents around Warfield Circle and one by one. They turn their backs on wharf or from exit leaving the council in their circle the end so the only question I have about this is if this was an option from the beginning. Why didn't anyone bring it up sooner like obviously it wasn't a good option but they they led us to believe everybody the way everyone was talking yet. The only option is death right. Well we're going to that okay today. We're GONNA listen died commendation okay. Part of it is warped know who the actual traitor was. He was just going in. And it's like oh I can clear my name And so okay okay. I'm sorry can we talk about that because made fun of it? Like right up at the beginning of the show like WARF's hold defense here to hey dude. Your father transmitted the codes. That wound up in the attacks on entire defense was not evidence by father wouldn't have done that. Oh Walton. Didn't they say like he was with his father at that time when he was like supposedly have would have done this? I I mean I don't know if he was with his father in those moments I mean he was with his father at kilmer. I don't know that it was necessarily you know my father couldn't have done that because we were playing baseball like I. I don't think it was I. I understand what you're saying. It's worse basic defense. Was I believe my father would never do that? Yeah that's yeah. That's that's that's all his defense was like and didn't have anything so they at least had proof albeit fabricated proof but still they had proof to be able to say something and you know again. I I put myself in the shoes of competitor right like like this new information comes to light if a and then and you realize like all of a sudden like oh your father's a cheap dirty little jerk but we can't tell anybody that because it's GonNa it's GonNa rip the entire Klingon thing apart but somebody's going to have to take the fall for this because everybody knows about it now. So what do we do well? There's this one family that's dead and the one guy is not even in Klingon isn't any violent clean on kronos anymore. He's often starfleet so let's just put it on him and call it a day. Yeah I get it. I at the reasoning behind that. I want to know how the got to that point though because this thing is so old. It's like yeah but remember but remember. They said they just recently captured a ship. That had this information on it is it was so yeah it was. It was getting out there. Like word was like okay. Somebody sent the code. I I must have missed that a little bit because I like. I was sitting there things like that. This is some cold case for them to be digging up someone. Who's really really bored? My Y Y like it was in the past and nobody really cared at that point. The people responsible or dead so like they. It seemed odd to me but I mean it would be like now you know somebody finding evidence that some American person gave the Japanese during World War Two. The specific location of where the fleet was like. It would be that same like oh he did like everybody's school like we understand history. Okay that sucks. Wait a minute. One of our own people sent that over there. Who was that you know? And and they've got to figure out well. Oh crap it's this guy you know. It's a Clinton will we can't. I'm sorry I don't mean to politicize a show. I was trying make it funny. But it's GonNa keep going with the on that right but that that's why the Nina's episode is so perfect sins of the father and if nothing else is episode just gives us a more understanding of Klingon culture rights right and that's a that's a big purpose of this episode like not only in that respect with the whole sins of the father thing but just as we were discussing not all Klingons Klingon as we think they are right and that and so so. I think this episode did a good job of showing as those things. But yeah it's it's one of those instances that's just sometimes hard for us to wrap our head around because that's not how we humans would necessarily handle it because like you're saying if if it was a generation or two ago we're not going to hunt down their kids and say you need to answer for what your grandfather did her in this case your father like i. You know his young brother. He said he was like one year old. What is he gonNa do right like stopped his father right? They had anything to do. And then they were saying it. Dishonors your family for seven generations. Yeah like I did I did. I did the math the other day I was. I was looking at it like I was going all the way back to like how far back. I could track my personal family and I go all the way back to sixteen eighty five and that's only six generations back. That's four hundred years. You know what I mean like Second. Generations long dime. Imagine if you were being punished for something your great great great great. Great great grandfather did five hundred years ago. Yeah Yeah like that is. That's hardcore man. I I would change my name. That's what Kern did. And that's what and that's why wharf said you're not gonNa tell our and okay. So what do you make about what you know? Cards words to turn his parting words current. Like what your brother does here today. It you know is is. Don't lose sight of that one day. Your father's name may be cleared. And you've gotTa have your honor intact and like like you know it's like like it's that whole idea like this may not actually be permanent. Whatever he's doing here today this this could possibly be even be reversed one day. And you've got to get your your. You've got to be available to to help out if that's the case. Yeah because at at this point now okay. Here's a question for you with war accepting this this combination. Is he saying? I'm no longer Klingon or the only way they described it was it's the same. It's basically the same as admitting his father's guilt and so I think it basically just pushes him into exile okay so basically but if he would ever come back to them like they're they're not gonna pay any attention to him right. Yeah he's not going to have any seat he's not gonNa have any whatever he has. He has discredited. He's commentated. We're GonNa let you live but we're GONNA you're you're dead to me. Yep Kinda can I guess idea? So and that's where we leave it more discriminated from the KLINGON empire and from his brother. And everybody's good with. Apparently I told you I watched the little things a little too much. Sometimes uh-huh I watched a little ceremony and they're all turning their back and everybody in circles turning chaffeur now is left to right but the the they all turn the same direction and then you know he looks at brother and it's like you have to do it too and he turns the opposite direction. Really really really interesting. Can I give you on? Jeff can give you one doctor crusher when she's talking about Kayla's like hey. We found out that we found about this nanny. Instead she was treated at Star based twenty four and like she's reading the screen the screen. The that's on. The screen says she was actually treated at starbucks. Twenty three yeah there you go so somebody stopped the screen and looked at it and said. Hey that's not what is actually says there. You know so. Thank you so armee episode buddy that that is sins of the father and Who knows if we'll ever come back to the story? I don't know I actually really don't know You know so yes I do know and yeah so anyway. But that's a that's that's the story so I I will give you one more production note on on this This just so you know this is the first time we meet. Garages and Michael. Dorn says that because of this episode was particularly with the ideas of Klingon loyalty and honor and how it clarified. What that actually is in Klingon society and what the deal is. This episode caused him to begin to play worth differently. From here on out. So there may be. You may pick up on some some different nuances or stuff dealing with WARF- as the show goes forward Particularly when it comes to what it is truly Klingon and how that works so yeah So with that man I will put it to you. Did you like the episode? I know you said it didn't quite go the way you thought it was going to go and it took a couple of weird turns and eventually you just had to say whatever. I'll just go with you wherever you want me to go did you like it. Would you WANNA watch this one again? I think now that I have more of the full picture of what's happening I watched it again and I I I would be able to enjoy a little bit more okay like help like I said once I caught onto. Okay it's going to be courtroom drama but still like I. I had a problem keeping some the characters straight and and trying to figure out what they're doing and why they're acting the way they like. It all came together in the end and I figured out in my head okay. Got The general idea what was going on but first time through a little off so all right. I'd watch again all right very good. Do you understand why this was an episode that that we chose for you to watch your during your limited run through the Star Trek series like? We're talking by the deeper dive in Nick. Klingon culture and such and I mean if if it's changed Michael Jordan's a few. I've definitely changed mine so right. Certainly all of that and there's just the hey you're learning more about warf who's one of our main characters here to turns well so yes definitely. Both of those aren't Matt When we start talking about our next episode as we as we round out this episode chart the next one. We're going to be watching. I've got well okay. I let me give your extra viewing because we're going to skip a couple upsets. We've done three in a row. But now we're going to give you a few episodes and this one that you're going to do as an extra viewing called captain's holiday and Allie Captain's Holiday Matt Jesse You know. It was like a like a hair's breadth away from being one of the episodes that we did by you. Know you got these now that you give me an extra viewing. I assume yeah it was it was it was a Harris breath away so but we are going to move onto another episode. Where there's somebody you've gotTa meet Matt. I can't you have to meet this person. This episode is called hollow pursuits. And that how do you spell? Howe H. O. L. L. O. W. Okay hollow pursuits. So yeah I'll leave it with that. There's going to be a fun when when we do actor spotlights and everything like it's it's it's you've got to meet this character and this one is is all about the character that you're going to be in this particular episode so okay different from locks on a troy. It's not that same same issue so So that's going to get us there matt so with that. Why don't you tell the folks out there where they can find you on the Internet? You can always find me personally over on twitter at as a matter of Matt. And if you guys want to get in touch with me find me add Brent Allen live across all the social medias and if you'd like to get in touch with the show well there's lots of ways you can do that and you can find out every single one of those ways over at our show website at beam me up. Hod Dot Com. You'll get all of our contact information over there. Lots of different ways. You can connect with us including our patriotic stuff discord in all of those things so with that Matt. We'll go ahead get out of here and until next time. Guys live long and prosper.

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Star Trek: Discovery | Season 3, Episode 3 Recap: People of Earth

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Star Trek: Discovery | Season 3, Episode 3 Recap: People of Earth

"Star Trek Discovery, season three episode three. Of Earth is over but we are just getting started here on post show recaps we have pogue our ship. Up to the force field and we are hailing you for conversation about everything that happened in this very awesome episode with me is always is the guy that I'm just GonNa declare he's my number one and I'm the captain. Mr. Mike. Bloom. Hello Mike. Some really hope Alabama to take off my big bug-eyed mass to be able to talk with you. It's very tough to breathe in this thing. Yeah, it it looked it looks pretty tough. It looked very bad ass it looked very bad ass and it's one of those things especially from a disco setting up. Okay. Is this supposed to be a new species or is this just a discovery take on an old species like we solve with the KLINGONS turns out none of the above it's just a human disguising himself with a big old helmet it was. So it was so space balls like. That helmet off I can't breathe in this thing exactly like. You know it probably lists spherical in nature than those that were you know aboard mega made, but it definitely was very similar and I do wonder if aboard Titan there was sort of a brainstorming session. It's like, okay. How do we come across as intimidating to the population of Earth as possible? Like what are they hate? How about giant flies? Let's try to imitate giant fly people and then they'll really really dislike us. Yeah. I would love to have been a fly on the wall. Particular Board meeting though I mean seems like a pretty sad situation for months incident might be the only. Speck of creativity, they are able to pour their pursuits into because the other brainstorming they're doing is like, okay, how do we live? How do we make it through the week without having to eat our population? Yeah. This is our survival meeting and everything's terrible Maybe our last hail Mary is to just dress a guy like giant lion sent him to Earth to steal. Or Hail Mary. Mary Wisenberg inhaled Sylvia Tilly and. See what she does. That's a that's a fair plan as well as tilly knows what's up. A little bit. Yeah. I mean she has her own little be that we're about get into but just as the title suggests, we are going to earth and unlike a Wilson and independence. Day Ask welcome to Earth greeting they are greeted in a very different way and I think this makes a lot of logical sense I do feel like season three so far has had a really nice flow to it in that episode one Michael Burnham episode to we saw the rest of the characters episode three we brought them together and imagine the first place they would want to go to earth because it's like all right. What's going on right now let's go to a place that we know best home base or at least what we thought homebase is earth and that is just like it's a microcosm of how much things have changed in nearly a millennium. Jumped you can assume that a lot has changed but I think this was sort of like the concrete waited everyone got slapped in the face to be like this is not the university remember. Yeah. It's very interesting that they make such a big deal out of earth is now self sustaining like Oh, you're kidding it wasn't self-sustaining before. Well, yeah I mean stop me if you've heard this before jess, a relatively new population in the grand scheme of things still becomes like a bit of a superpower in accelerated amount of time then declares that it's going to close itself off to foreigners for fear of danger and attack becoming isolationist in the. Process. But also becoming a bit xenophobic to those that might legitimately need their assistance doesn't sound like anybody I know my definitely not definitely not but it's I mean it's very clear and I watched the right room this week they had the writers, Bouillon Kim and Eric Lipold as well as the J. frakes and self the director on and they were very explicit about like, yes it was that it was very clearly that we are very clearly referencing that. I really love that Star Trek can with time and it's funny because the original series and star Trek was very much that as well. It was always saying the future's going to be better and everything's going to be awesome and there's going to be interracial kissing and he's going to be Russian guys who are not evil and you can have sex with anyone you want. Yeah Futures. Awesome. Everybody looks good evening sweaters. And, then we moved into, you know next Janet kind of did that same thing but it's like we've got even more diversity we got. We've got interesting relationships we will explore and then you have nine which was like even after there's been a horrible war and in the midst of great suffering, we can find hope. And now where do you go next if you're still trying to Push this optimism you gotta make things even worse, right? Are. We in the Post Modern era of Star Trek with these modern because we talked about this with the car right card also had him very clear peel the when it comes to making references about refugees and other ISM and. To a certain extent, and there's obvious obviously a lot of discourse as to a disco discourse as to whether these modern series in some people's opinions either fit within the realm of that tapestry that you spoke about from the trek franchise or not. I feel like they do take on a distinctive tone and maybe I don't want to say it's less about the optimism, but maybe it's more about the realism of you can certainly strive for that but the way that populations. Naturally function there are limits to that optimism and I do feel like both Picard and discovery in particular are very open about that as opposed to like you said Roddenberry's original vision which was to the point where you said, hey, there must be no fighting amongst crew members on the on the enterprise because we want to show how great the future is that even enter workplace confrontations or not a thing until until Bashir and O'Brien show up. Yeah exactly or even like. Even in next generation after roddenberry passed away. We'll start sneaking in some stuff that we want to do. But I don't know what I've been thinking about this gesture we in the Pomo Star Trek phase here it makes a lot of sense Mike because I think that the thing that was missing from roddenberry's original vision is. How totally fragile that Utopian state. D. and I like that the Promos Star Trek is. Is pointing out and even you didn't next Gen, nine voyager Kinda did do this to some extent they just kind of. Almost imperialistic it was like we have the best deal and we're GONNA. Go bring our great deal to everybody else. And now, we're saying that this great deal that we had people had to fight hard to bring it to you and we have to fight like hell to maintain it, and sometimes we don't succeed at that and then we have to fight to get it back. Yeah, everything about having a good life is a fight a constant fight to make sure you keep it. Michael. Had that and brilliant line in that opening montage but didn't give everything to this version of the future. I'll be damned if I let it stand essentially like look how far we have come. We cannot be complacent right now we've accomplished one goal. A guest control is inert the world as we know it is saved back in the twenty. Three hundred but that doesn't mean we can't make the thirty two hundred 's better a thirty one, hundred 's better. Honestly Mike, is there a better line to encapsulate right now that line? Yeah exactly. It's. It's this idea of you can be optimistic but it does require work and it does require action. There's there's people who think and there's people who act and you know I certainly not to get too contextual into into things nowadays but I think. A. Lot of us have been struggling in lieu of many issues that exist in the world today that way heavily upon us sort of like, what can you do? How do you cope with the Malays and the pressure and the weight that exists out there I know personally, I, I am a type of person who's like I need to turn things into actionable items because sitting there moping and grousing and driving herself crazy is not going to accomplish. Anything. If you give yourself something to do that, even the smallest push might put something in a direction that you wanted to go. That's not only gonNA help you feel better but it's going to help accomplish larger goal of many do the same and I feel like starfleet especially in this episode was really caps -lating that idea of yeah. Stings suck right now it doesn't mean we have to live in the suck we can try to unstuck this stuff. Yeah. I think. I think you just you just repackage that even more profound way Mike. We can make it on suck but I think, yeah, I think the optimism is needed right now and maybe optimism that we had before that you're the world is going to be a better place in the future. That's one kind of optimism but the optimism renewed right now is that We have it in us to get the work done right. And we are going to be able to bring about this future that we need and so. I I really I feel like this is just this is like therapy for me. This show in some some of the shows that we watch right now are kind of escapism. It's imagining world that's very different from ours. It's ironic that the amazing race is that escapism for me right now in Star Trek discovery is the real world tough love pep talk. But that's also Sifi though to a certain extent, rightly I think it's certainly allegorical to be like these are worlds that you not even imagine in your mind's eye but the thing that makes them relatable and has you keep coming back to these characters are the fact that they do possess these characteristics and so that being said, you know the core conflict of this episode. So Quintessential Star Trek I I really like and besides myself when. People say this is in Star Trek this star. Trek I know watched this episode and don't tell me that this is not both a conflict resolution. We have seen teeth amount of time. So yes, like false and all this is a star trek series to the point where we have the server like the hackneyed. Now don't you see were more similar than you thought. So let's come to the table together and talk it out type of thing. Was this not the original series episode of the guys that are have a blacks exactly the. He's the Milano cookies but just swapped with each other. Yeah I mean that's that's the thing is there have been so many different packages of this message for a reason because it's a message that needs to be brought home each and every time, and albeit I thought the maybe the execution of the message was a bit Chintzy in my opinion again, I think what disco disco does a lot of great stuff but I think sometimes it tends to swerve into sort of like the SACCHARIN and like the. Let's make big bloviating speech that will pump everybody up and you could feel shades of that at the end of this episode that makes you feel like, okay. Once in a while is fine. We don't need this. Every episode almost feels like Danny Tanner giving a speech to his daughters at the end of every full House episode. But again, that being said that it's something that's existed with the series from the very beginning, they have not been subtle about the messages that they have been tried to make so. While I may not be the biggest fan of it. I also acknowledge the fact that like this is this is a part of the series that is a love letter to that series that spans now nearly sixty years. It's true but it is that but then they also looked your joe right middle of it to make sure that we understand that they know how saccharin there being, right exactly. What was Georgia's line like diplomacy takes too long and she just takes off the helmet and basically it's like we can Yada Yada to the next three pages of dialogue here. I'll get everything settled right now. On the other hand, how many times have you watched television show or movie star Trek or know where? You are like if you people would just sit down and have a conversation or five minutes, this entire movie would not have happened. Yeah exactly they really wanted maybe it's because there was just so much else going on in the episode that they might not have had time to do it but they're just sort of like. All right. Let's just sort of get this over with I. Mean I will say it wasn't like a typical by the book star. Trek disagreement and that I do think that the whole captain enjoy a perspective was interesting because again, there was some world building their or literal world building and that she served as the Messenger to basically give the whole exposition. In the ready room right about what happened to Ert. So she's valuable in that regard, but they were able to sort of walk this fine line where you know there is the serialisation that comes with discovery and Picard and started with deep space nine, and then there's the episodic nature that comes with Your T. O. S. T. N. G. ETC served at both here rivers like an episode of thing I do not think we are going back to earth anytime soon to check back in with the UD or whatever the acronym was but the same time. It was also speak into that larger misery, which I think has been pretty cameron. Hope at this point to be like, okay. Our main question, the season is what is the burn and where's the federation? I sticking to my call that the burn is actually Burnham. I mean it makes that much sense and we can talk about some other connections that that might occur as well because we found out a little bit more during Michael's montage in the very beginning of the episode right that like because I think initially book just said like Hey, a bunch of ships exploded at the same time the turns out that before that was actually becoming more of scarcity that for some reason, all of its supplies are running out and so it was just like a bad day for dilute the. Yep. I mean the original way it was presented to us was like die lithium no worke, and then it was like Oh. Yeah. Something happened all lithium and we didn't really I. Think we didn't really appreciate that all of the ships that had an active warp core exploded at the same time and that was a powerful visual and it was something that I think having the crew process it is different from having. Raised on Vulcan to stick with sturt certainly, protocol Michael Burnin is not the person you want to react to powerful emotional news like that. Yeah. Because these are all starfleet officers right there. There has to be a part in that at least projects themselves on that vessel of right when when you have detmer who against teams to for two in terms of shellshocked episodes being like. Millions of people died in an instant wiped out. The will say and I think we spoke about this I can't remember if he spoke about this with lower deck's or picard in terms of these series comparing notes, I don't know. We might go with the whole Burnham theory of it all but after the whole attack on Mars thing from Picard at least part of me has to feel like it was some sort of inside job. You know maybe that's just the conspiracy theorists me but considering what happened with the attack on Mars in Picardy have to imagine that somebody wanted this to happen. Yeah or I mean I, I'm kind of leaning toward its giant fuck on somebody's part which that's maybe just me being influenced by watching the umbrella academy, which has as its kind of recurring motif. They're trying to save the world and every attempt they make to save the world results in them causing the end of the world and so I think we're also sort of informed by last season being Michael Burnham is actually the red angel whose instigating all of this at the same time that she. Is trying to stop. It writes this idea that it's always going to come back to the main characters at the day. Now that being said, it could come back some of our newer characters who knows maybe books people and their whole divergent philosophies. We're the ones that caused the burn off all that time ago who's to say, but I think to your point considering what we have seen it the track record of discovery so far it would not be surprising if maybe the relatives of the Michael Burnham or maybe. Maybe, slightly connected to Michael, barone maybe like the relatives of Sarah Eric and spock. Being the cause of all this destruction. Cameras Vulcans. It's their fault exactly thought we escape them in this new time period, but apparently, they still loom shadow very large over this time postmodern riposte, Bulkin Mike. You would think so but the Falcons are here. Well, I we're getting unification three. So I think we're actually going to be dealing with gets very sued. Yeah I guess we'll I guess we'll find out. Well, we want to know who those other stars because we know it's not. Exactly we were very surprised to find out that Earth is not one of the big stars what Sort of fills in here is that essentially after the burn? Kept getting rated by essentially lithium pirates basically just getting mugged consistently for the lithium that they're like no doors closed I'm getting a lock you're not allowed to come in here. and. So by by starfleet historically also suspected might have been an inside job or a directed attack and decided to say well, maybe having an out and proud location in one place. On the best idea. So they're gone and then there's places the U. E. S. D. F.. Which I guess is served just like I'd be intrigued to hear like when that popped up, you know when they put up the forest field was that like an immediate thing, we need to get a security force in there or could this be another sorta like grab for power with another group under supporters I mean whenever you have a regime change that's that big. It's definitely a power grab on somebody's part right so I mean from what it's worth doing it did not seem particularly malevolent, but that's not to say that maybe the bureaucracy and just the again, the pure like strict standards of the U. E. UP if we don't know you were gonNA, shoot you down might be malevolent enough. Yeah. I think I think it's more like. I do think one of the overarching. One of the overarching themes of this particular episode was kind of. Both sides baby don't have good coins but both sides have good people that need to have conversations with each other on an ongoing basis, right? It's sort of like the ideas that they stood for our flawed but the people that are representing them or not, and so that's why you need to get bodies in the room because they didn't they could prattled back and forth at each other about you know how you're wrong in the other person. But once you get used to the for lack of a better term humanity of those behind the other party at it helps you sympathize a bit I mean you you see that in his face. As she finds out like the poor stuff that befell Titan they thought like Oh. Yeah. Tighten your good going into your own thing. You're fine. You're emancipate and then it's like, oh no, we blew up a bunch of our stuff and we are dying and we tried to ask for help and you said new phone who this now we don't know what to do a it was a a dawn of humanity upon her and I mean I don't think that means that Earth's borders are now completely open, but it's a step in the right direction. Yeah. It's a we can work together and help each other kind of moments. Of the past as well because these these the report they were under the same umbrella for a long time. Just I mean, it's only a century ago say only a century, but again, discovery jump forward nine plus centuries at this point that they decided to say, bye tight end that it's something that you know you could easily welcome back into your life in a certain perspective early trade information for resources. Yeah. It's kind of like how you could make a tentative step toward like making an alliance with one person without bringing every single pirate in the entire galaxy down upon your head. Yeah. Exactly I wonder. So I guess we're all of wins raiders were they all ships from in or anything has been like picking up a crew almost forming his own like Ocean's eleven gang to try to get into earth and get the dilute theme. I kinda think it's just his pals on because I don't think he wants to particularly worry about anybody else right now either. And so it to that point also wonder because. All were capable ships are Denzel. So that means that like nobody is traveling outside of their respective quadrants are these like regulars The marauders earth is used to from all different. Parts of this quadrant. Yeah like do you have to travel were years to go steal your dial lithium from Earth Yeah I, mean that's the thing is you could really. If this were there were a series set in the thirty second century could be around like voyager ask all alright. We're on our way to Earth, it's a five year mission because we it's almost like in getting in the world drives all going kaput. It's like if you're driving a stick shift, but you can only it's like you're always stuck in second gear like. You can't shift any higher and so you can only get up to a certain. Speed and you're like, all right I gonNA take a longer time. But I guess I'm going to settle in and wait until I actually get there as been your day your week your month or even your millennia. And but you know what starfleet will be there for you as soon as you can find them. They'll be there for you eventually at some point, and so I guess the bigger there was a mystery certainly that was addressed about the earth set, but I think the bigger misery moving forward is the era of it all. There's there's a lot to get into that because we finally got I would say we finally get another new character introduced but I was wondering what you know Blue Del Barrio and in Alexandria but finally come to the table after they were announced and one of them is here and a seemingly will be part of cast for at least a foreseeable future. Yeah. This is a great a great segue here although I wanna I wanNA stop down before we really they'll deeply into the situation because there was something I missed and I wanNA know you have a good answer for this question So, there is a lot of conversations about. WHO's got die lithium how are they going to get there and we have to hide all our? To make sure that they don't think we have it. So they don't steal it from us. And my question is, how are they going to explain how they got there without delay Thea-. Like they just show UK. And everyone's like Oh. Hey, New People. Where'd you come from? How'd you get here? How long did it take you? What are they going to say to that Mike didn't really get that answer all Burnham saying, scan the ship. We don't have any lithium and they should be like how the F. Did you get here? Yes. A ruse cover story which I'll be it fell through pretty much I think is sort of over to in terms of trying to come across as someone who is not in the future so far is that again, going back to the voyager analogy that discovery was like essentially stranded out in distant space back when the burnt happened. And it's been making its way back to Earth ever since and it finally got back after being stuck in second gear for those hundred years. Now, they are the descendants of those that were originally aboard the original discovery. So they flew back from wherever the hell they were at impulse essentially, and so they finally crews their way into. Earth after a century to be like Oh what's going on this is why we look so old and different. This is why are spore cage can be compared to a museum is because we haven't been we haven't been getting the updates to our phones were still running a different S. Yeah. That's okay and that's why they dropped out of spore yeah. Yeah Cruise because they'd be like you said, it looks super suspicious if they go to black alert and then just instantaneously appear right in front of Earth. Yeah. What that should have raised some alarm tight. Wouldn't you think you have to drive pass tight to get where they're going? Yeah. That's why they were sort of tailed that entire time but again when his ships can only go so fast. To so they'd they'd probably were followed the entire time or maybe they just have such I don't know derelict beacons that they didn't necessarily pick up on it. But yeah, I mean that cover story was up to a certain extent. It doesn't seem like enjoying really questioned them or figure them out the way that Zara did last episode but standards outright admits it to Diarra a person from. This we need to talk about this a lot because this was a very questionable move on the part of Paul's damage. Someone who like has been Characterized as being very like uptight and maybe this is like his post coma like loussier gouzer pulse damage be i. was I mean again, it was also tough because the story line maybe a different type of episode would have gotten more focus because I believe it was only in what like three scenes total forcing account statements until he talking about a Deora so it's they had to pack a lot into a little frame but yes, stem it's is all about I mean I don't know when Kelly told standards like, Hey, show them. You're funny mushrooms and get them on your side I. Don't think she meant like, Hey, give up the JIG. Tell tell them what's going on despite the fact that they work for like. Defense Organization, we are trying to get one over on right now get back down to Earth. Yeah. They just tried to shoot us but. We'll just tell them everything immediately even though we don't know their motives that was a little bit weird. But I likely you I I like what you did there about the packing a lot into a little tiny frame because that's pretty much a dear. Isn't it? Yeah I mean essentially this is. At least one maybe dozens maybe hundreds of lives and personalities packed into one person who was only sixteen years old but seemingly contains the knowledge of at least one very important character. And I at first I thought this was just like Wesley crusher future, right? Exactly. Here's our requisite child prodigy of the series. Yeah It's kind of, but it is kind of odd. It's like, okay. You're sixteen years old how are you consenting to this because on trill? They pretty much have to go to like they have to get like a PhD before they're even allowed beyond yeah. There's a nine episode. Right were DAX gets like shadowed by someone essentially to figure out if they're worthy for that program. Yet one of my favorite all-time episodes starring one of my favorite hates that guy actors. So. Yeah. It did seem like it. I. Mean There's a lot of questions I have just based on everything I. Know about trills. Can. We can come back to that. Let's just talk about a deer of the person. Just coming aboard like. Throwing a little keystroke logger on science lab. And then. This was just kind of like they're both pretty dumb here because you're not supposed to have that and standards points it out pretty quickly. It's like well, I can tell you everything. And you know you can buy. You have to do what we say because otherwise I'll just tell your bosses that you brought this key logger that's clearly not authorized. Yes. Essentially was. To you know like the amusement park with their parents and the parents like it's time to leave endures like no and slashes the tires of their car like no, we can't leave. We have to stay here because obviously a deer has their own motives to be linked up with discovery which we'll get into for a little bit. But yeah, it was a bit brazen. Statements until he immediately onto them when they find out that the signals being blocked, they're like, oh. Yeah. It was. It was that TORP. Sixteen year old you know Goon who was walking around here because the others are pretty bureaucratic and by the book of just like you know looking down their noses on people and checking boxes zero like what does this do? Hey what does that over there? Do you mind if I touch this? So immediately, maybe admiral tall was he was himself someone who is not exactly a subtle person and that's just not a part of dearest personalities yet. Yeah it's fair. I've also I say that Josh Wigley, we have a field day with adorable little Deora let alone rob. Because both notable fans of teenage characters on shows that don't have other teenage characters does it count though if the teenage character also technically has the history of an older man at the same time? It's a, it's a valid question and I do not know the answer but I do know I could hear Josh being all look at the cute little baby baby on the starship exactly being like I want to burn them down with fire because I hate children. Yeah. Exactly. Rob I think would even dig into statements are than us like, what are you doing even talking with this little little a whole. Like who who tried to screw up your your ship and almost get blown up? Yeah that that's true. Rob Would Have Robert have many things to say about standards even having. The time of day to Adera. Oh and Mike I. Think it's fair to note that a deer. is going to use them pronouns going forward even though nobody in this episode used day them pronounce era. Yes. So Jira if you we talked about this in our preview of those that are not in the NEL, zero was announced it was announced as the first canonical non binary character. So we are going to be using they them pronouns. To your point. It seems like at least because they were presenting female initially, I can imagine that's why statements until they were referring to them as as she her but we're going to refer to it. As they moving forward unless being told otherwise, I was surprised we didn't get a quick clarification there. I wonder. GonNa come like. Them be like cool. Well, maybe that's going to happen next episode because it's it's interesting in that we knew that Alexander who is going to be the first Canonical Trans Character in Star Trek is a trill. We've seen the spots Alexander has said. So we felt that makes a Lotta sense given the nature of the trail which we'll get into. But now that is being involved with the trail I wonder now like. Is. It does that complicate things? Is it that they are non binary or is it more so that they actually like super binary weird away in that they are a female person but now possessing the qualities of a male host and that's what makes it a technical non binary perspective. It's interesting that this was something that the gender identity of it. All was something that they sort of tried to explore in the early nineties India's nine They certainly Dax had these moments and of course you saw, Cisco, calling DAX, old man yeah and there was a conversation you see a lot of you see a lot of memes about this now about about Dax running into her old pals, the Klingons and they say occurs on its you jazzy is like no actually I'm jazzy jazzy it's you and so there there's been quite a bit of that not to mention the episode rejoined where. Jacks meets a spouse that her previous host had in the two of them. Despite, being women are in love with each other, it is kind of like this transcends gender but it was always very much that the gender you were before you got joined is the gender you're going stay and I appreciate that we're gonNA maybe it's very possible that a deer as identity shifted somewhat when they joined but it's also possible that deer always knew what what gender or lack thereof they were and. remained. So kind of exerted some. Some authority over symbiotic but this is an interesting thing to talk about with the with the Alexander of. Eventually, joining the cast because when they started. Kind of pointing toward like sort of hinting that we were that there was a trill element to this story I was like Oh is this the trail because I know one of the characters joining was a trill brandon have spots that's weird and so this has some canonical precedent and this is a very interesting thing especially when you consider that this is Jonathan frakes directed episode. I think I know what you're talking about Yup. You're picking up what I'm putting down here but The first time we ever saw trill in a star trek series was in the next generation episode the outcast in which there was a trill diplomat who came onto the enterprise and started up a little something something with Reicher because I think that's that's the play when you go on the enterprise and then was tragically killed. And that's when finds out that. Trills are part host body and part Zim beyond, and the. Symbionese Needed to be preserved, and so that's not Renan to Reicher for a little while and I had forgotten all that when I'm like that's a human with a trill Symbionese. That's weird. Isn't that GONNA kill them both than how does that work and then I recalled that Reicher very briefly hosted the worm for a little while until its new host team, and then that new host turned out to be a man and. Fresher fell. And it was. It was very messy and complicated and the the neutral was like eight week pick this up. It's fine and records like you know it's it's okay I'm cool. Hey, there's crusher in that very complicated because you really aren't supposed to re associate with people from your previous life. Yen, and then then crusher has her own reversal where I believe that neutral goes into a female host. By the you see like female hosts now approach crusher and crushes like okay well now I, realize the. Capabilities. This can happen and I'm sorry but this just can't be. So I mean, it was definitely to Florida one step back to a certain perspective. There was the host like you said, and then the outcast where also had that episode, which was more speaking like the non binary and train respective of the species that determine what's deliberately non binary and they're. kind of complaining those two episodes Mike it was for different episodes. Wasn't it was? Fall in love with anybody even though that is the play. Yeah the I think a record. You're right in that. The host record did host the symbiotic for some time but that was more crushers thing. But the outcast when Reicher fell in love with the person who obviously in the allegory for for being closeted had declared a gender gets persecuted for and killed for it. Right that was the one where they were really agenda and they picked gender jat. Exactly. Genders interesting and Star Trek because you also have bullying who have four genders and all like they have to find or people to get married. I mean, you bring up a great point about the biological aspect of all because that's the first big question that I had and obviously had to do a bit of an Expo dump at the end there when it's revealed that Adina was a trail and that and it's interesting as well. 'cause you hear them explain it and you're like, why? Sound? So foreign to them and then you remember to your point just like. In screw like the Disco Proto era I mean trill existed by imagine it was a bit more of a of a weird thing than something you directly experience because we're so normalized to it because like you said, the characters of judge on Dax were main components. Yes nine and the weird thing actually is that since the time we have really save for a few background appearances not had a trill feature since and which was one of the many reasons why I was excited there would be a trill element in this because it is a fertile fertile ground which was shown in the seven seasons of nine that I am just I'm flabbergasted at the had not been brought up in the series since yeah, it has been really weird to me that we haven't seen them also retroactively apologize for conflating those TNG episodes. It's been at least five years I've revisited that. The episodes they sound like they the the structures are very. Very similar types of things but I mean. I remember when? At least I remember when I was watching specifically rewatching deep space nine and I've got to that first episode and I saw trail. Of all the species of the one of species that we've had throughout star trek tng they picked like the one this random one. But we discovered that like it's a fantastic opportunity and you experienced that particularly with the DAX character from season three onwards when they change from her being like a fluffy dufy possible Julian Bashir, love interest to like kind of a bad ass it's like Oh. Yeah, this this is a really cool story opportunity and that makes me hopeful that they'll be able to do the same the deer as well and grey. Yeah, it will be. It will be an interesting saying I wonder if there's going to be some tension there like I don't know if gray is a joint trailer and on joined trill and will this be a problem if you haven't joined trill who's like all ambition was to have a simion. And they beat this human like this was an dax thing because she never was supposed to be joined and. She gets joined without having to do all the studying and it was kind of a thing or it's like, Oh, well, you didn't really didn't really earned this and I wonder if that's going to be an issue too because I can imagine I can see the backstory there with zero very clearly was like, Oh, here's a trill who stranded on earth and decides to stay when the whole kerfuffle happens. and. Is Stuck there and is. Still, part of the federation, but then dies and we're going to do symbiotic. Trills around we got put it somewhere. Let's put it this random teen. It, it does. You can see you can see that trajectory pretty clearly and I can see it's it's very reminiscent of how as reacts ended up getting joint reminds me of actually I can see the scenario that you're painting right now reminds me so much of deep space nine, how Major Kira ends up carrying Abbas baby. There's this accident we need to. We need to transplant the Symbionese this person happens to be on the ship and they're the only source that we can go to because to your point I don't think this is like a joining at birth and that. Has Been Housing this symbiotic for sixteen years I can imagine this is a fairly recent thing especially because asteroid alluded to and this is what's going to keep the mystery alive for a little bit even though this, this symbiosis had previous host as Admiral Tall. Deer does not have access to those memories and that personality. So like while they are a repository answers, the answers are not there yet. It's interesting how that works too because as a recall. From browsing. Memory Alpha and dim memories of this episode when they a symbiotic into Reicher he remembered everything that the beyond had experience. Yes. Maybe it's like a maturity thing or maybe idea opening up your mind I mean not to get too much into. What's coming next but it does look like we are continuing on this story thread to the point where they're going to a planet I? Don't know if the is trill, but it looks like we are interacting with some of those those gooky pools. Pools never have seen prior service definitely I. Mean it seemed like a very having John Tara I don't know I mean we've seen. A Very Edina and Michael focused episodes like some very trippy visuals which should be very fun to see. So I think we're going to keep looking upon this but I I mean obviously this opens up a huge gamut of things as to you know even just from like a physiology perspective, you know Reicher could house the symbiotic for a while but the biology's are not necessarily compatible. But on the other hand I mean, let me bring a question that's been asked to us by a couple of listeners and we talked about this in the preview. But let's let's take the temperature again. Jess. What are the chances that this simion is a DAX. Zero you think so yeah, I don't think we go there I. think the Symbionese name is tall. So you think it's just that tall was this is technically a deer at tall. Yeah. This is technically deer at all right because because I don't know so. The trail. Sir Take like the last. When you marry someone and you take their last name, that's what happens when you joined with the Symbian. Yeah, exactly. So I assume the tallest. It could be it could be like you said, baby it is. It can only be a temporary thing like a deer just has to carry this thing around until we find an actual trill. trill already disco and what if it is now zander's character and it's like, Oh, well, he's been in the background the whole time Yep Yep. Oh. Wow there you are in Paulo come over here and exactly as we know what they they missed that opportunity and should have been great. That was shoveling the Leland guts last time that would have been a fun way to introduce like you've been here the whole time. Of course, we remember you now. Oh Hello Gray. Yeah. Good job shoveling those guts which you've been clearly doing for several days to be fair that did show up in this episode greeting Michael Burnham before things turn slow mo for a hot second. So it could have been there if they wanted to they could have put it in there or they could've like retroactively CG guide. Oh I remember when we when we when we overthrew evil Lorca when we went to the Mirror Universe, I was there the entire time? Flashback to the the battle binary stars there's. Gray was there the entire time? So. So the assumption is so admirable to admiral tall who again, this is GonNa be dearest of main purpose right now is because tall has the last known starfleet communication to be sent out. So again, the H. Starfleet, it's gone off the map nobody knows where it is at the one person who might know it is is admiral tall who died what two years ago They said online some some mysterious vessel. You could imagine that that was when it was the host was put into a Deora. Or year old punk exactly, and so now it's going to be their job to sort of access a dearest memories so that as tall as. I forget the first name of Admiral Tall to be able to like. Yeah now, I remember it was actually there. Here's the pass code, and now we can get there and it's also an idea that makes so much sense because you know we experienced this in the opening montage how Michael Sort of had to explain a bit as to. What exactly happened in the years between season two and season three. But that being said we are still limited to the lifespans and histories of the characters that we know right like book has only live. So long while these characters are the burn happened, I wasn't around for it but with the Trill, you have a history book you have someone who has at least lived a good portion of time through a many body like Oh. Yes I remember when this happened every wearing a nice shirt that day, and here's everything. So it's it's like we it's a perfect way to access nine hundred years of history that ordinarily we wouldn't be able to do logically. You'll be sort of like if we were just landing on earth and our only contact was an eighteen year old and they had to explain nine eleven to us exactly right of like. Yeah my parents talked about it and I think it was this that happened but there is not that personal experience that they can speak to you, and that's why dear is going to be so important because I mean even looking beyond the admirable admiral tall if there were host before that, then they can speak to even what before the burn possibly how it got to the burn what happened before that? It's a great way to sort of shade in those years of history where ordinarily disco would have kind of written itself into a plot hole I being like well, nobody was around in the year I don't know twenty seven something that to actually describe what happened and shortly after the burn. Federation wikipedia got taken over by vandals. Really tell you what happy lithium raiders got onto the wikipedia pages to try to anti earth slander. So they took everything down, they had to lock the page for Die Lithium because it was just getting too crazy. So I guess speaking of those new characters to because we sort of say goodbye to book here. But like this can't be Nike out for Book Right No books coming back for sure because for one thing according to Book and Burnham, they definitely didn't do it in the past year. I. Don't know if I either either that is true and they still to or I don't believe it at all and they definitely were and they're going to have to again. Do you think it's like The lady in the gentlemen doth protest too much and that they were both asked about it and they were like, no no, it definitely didn't happen. She's not my girlfriend. We didn't do anything of the sort we were friends. Yeah. I think I I'm not sure exactly why they would just be like, upfront. Gal. We've been banging it out for about eleven months now. Michael talked to a certain extent and some of the like aluminum mini ORC to her character. This episode is the residual guilt. She feels for letting go of the idea that she'll find discovery only to find them just like. Well, this is awkward. I thought I'd never see again and I will also say Seru like take the hand off the thrill for a little bit. You know like I know you're captain but like don't throw this onto Michael of like I. Don't know I. don't even know who you are anymore going around gallivanting with this man. Yeah, and it's also it's really funny that Sarah's like, okay. We need to finish the conversation we were having before we need to do that right now because I threw it was like a few hours but for Michael Burnham, it's been a year just like I don't really even care about that. Anymore you can be the captain whatever Yeah Albert Vargas integrate common actually a few minutes. Before we were recording here about how in the between Mike, Michael until which was agree I I always I forget how good the Michael Dynamic wedding that was one of my favorite parts of season one of disco to have tippy like I. Always knew I find you Michael and to your point. Realistically it's been like twenty four hours since disco came out with the word. Also I mean good I'm glad you had a day of hope but you would imagine that it's more a line that goes to Michael Yeah you would think so that's does it to your point it does seem like they must've taken each other's lines there. I it's very reminiscent of season four of your, the walking dead when characters spend the entire season mourning the death of somebody that died a year prior, and then kind of Yada Yada in the death of somebody that dies during the season in real time. Are you what you think about it because I think I'm going to say it's a resolution that's the roost captain now I do not. Think we're sort of constantly doing the will they won't they between Mike. Lynch ruin the captain's chairs. Did you like how how sort of sinked? That was yeah I think we don't want to spend a Lotta time are we got a lot of other places to be but I worry a little bit for through now because this is kind of become the spinal tap drummer of the desert darkest position. Yeah it's going to be I would be a little bit worried. Yeah it is. Definitely the defense gets dark arts teacher. Don't want anything to happen to Seru. Yeah. Though and I think it also helps that we had an entire episode prior where like it was Seru specifically as a captain with Michael there and he showed his stripes as we talked about last week that you can understand the decision more than like, no, we want Michael Burnham we love her as a character. It's sort of like, no, I think I. Think Seru. Has Shown plenty of times that he's a captain and Michael's more than happy to have him sit in the chair then like all the power to him as you've talked about has sort of realized that there are more important things to life at this point in time especially than who gets a fancy chair and say engage it's true and I think it's really interesting. We spent time talking about Burnham's Rum's now. On where you have, you have your Joe pointing out. Well, you were always so logical and by the book and now that you had. A Different Way Oh apparently not though they didn't do it they said they didn't do it. We have them. They're very firm that they went on many many trysts into bogs and pulling off maneuvers that they nickname but they definitely have not done it give each other like sly winks knowing glances, but they definitely didn't do it. So that's another reason why book has to come back because even again, I saw these that like sneak o'byrne green and David a hollow just have such fun. Platonic or not that it's like you have to keep stoking this relationship no matter what it turns out to be. They have such a good back and forth with each other that this can't be the last time that we see the two of them interact. Right and we know he's coming back at some point because there is a tremendous little clip from the. Last from the pilot. From. The premier's. Premiers preview what's going to happen for cut? Yeah. The super cut we saw we saw grudge climbing until early and that hasn't happened yet. So we know he's coming back in I think there's also a shot of like him down on some sort of like like deserted terrestrial planet like gambling in ecstasy like well, I can't believe I'm doing this. So I have a feeling books going to be around the show I guess the question is is still going to be around with burn, but I can imagine since he is very easily and range she's not going anywhere due to his capabilities that she could very easily call upon him if she needs him. Yeah unless they must have given him derail. Go. Somewhere. That's why he came on the ship and the first because she offered him dilute the in exchange, which is also a fun Michael Burnham deal of tumorous. The ship has done lithium. It'll be totally cool if I get it everyone's going to be fine with it for this random guy that they don't know I I'll explain it to them. But it's also like it's too bad that they had that little interlude in the bar in the last episode because she could have just been like, yeah, I. I need some die lithium like, yeah that's cool. We got a lot and without knowing that it was like a rare commodity at the time. So do you here's another question? Do you ever think we'll get some something whether it's an episode flashback episode ashort. Trek or what have you about that gap year of as was mentioned a few times sort of like the adventures of book and Burnham. Mean we might get it as a self contained. Episode I suspect there might be something worth revealing out of that year. I. I think probably more than what we got which was you know Burnham. Cycling through several hairstyles as they go through and make deals and shake hands with people on planets. I. Think there's gotTa be more to that and I think there might be things that she learned that she will drop into the conversation when it becomes important to do. So yeah, it's very reminiscent of like I. Don't know if you've ever seen Arrow. The character of Oliver Queen spends five years on an island in between like you know the first point of the flashbacks and where we find him and they do a very similar thing many many Thais where it's like, Oh, I found this thing in my modern time line. This reminds me of this important thing that I found out in the flashbacks that will be pertinent here and so I could see them. I think they were actually pretty I actually remember if they ever really did they did very sparing flashbacks than season two they were all about and in season one as we were getting to know Michael Burnham on Vulcan. So who knows maybe we'll break out the flashback machine and do it again if to your point, if there's like Michael Barone be like Oh, this person I remember this person from this adventure. Yeah I don't know if they I. Don't know if they'll give her whole episode. It'll just be like occasional flashbacks where they get to show sneak mark green in a different wig get a different in. That's how you know it's a different part of her life I, just I think maybe I'm. My perception is colored by walking dead and what they did with Morgan where you he shows up or seasons later, and then they have one episode devoted entirely to what he was doing for those seasons. Maybe it'll be like a bonus episode right of like I know you wanted it because otherwise I don't know. I kind of like this idea of the gap you're being like the noodle incident, a star trek discovery. makes all these references to it and be as outlandish as they tend. It can literally tell him not show and not me to like live up to that deal of yeah. Let's see them way through this bog and get covered in leeches that they have to peel off. Yeah. But baby the entire maybe the entire time was an entire year of smoldering glances. Know this palpable sexual tension that they'd never consummated and maybe we don't need to see that. Yeah. A little bit of it. I wonder what was going through books mine is. Already go pound one out in the alike weird hollow deck as I fight a man bare fist and he's like damn it fully I could be that man. Yes. Working out something there. There's something that's she's not getting outside of the holiday yet though I don't know maybe it seemed like she used the year to fill in at least a little bit of stuff considering that he knew the names tilly and debt detmer in Georgia. So clearly, she opened up, of course, Mike. Yeah of course great. Who can forget about the most yeah. You must be gray the most necessary cast member on on our crew member on discovery I could imagine that. May. Maybe she opened up about some things to him including the whole ash tyler situations like, ooh, she's just coming from a tough break up I don't want to deal with this. Maybe I'll wait a year and then see what happens. Man I, I love with turns out to be a secret thing on. Only know it's either a secret Klingon or a man who has weird light dots on his face and he can talk to animals. Weird light dots. Doing something good and that's the other thing as well as you'd have to imagine that superpower like they couldn't have given him that that power and then them appear onto episodes. Yeah. That's that's too tantalizing. You know that there's GonNa be a transfer or transfer equivalent somewhere in the future. Yeah I can imagine so so i. Guess. We'll save. We'll put a bookmark in bar for now and then we'll see him papa maybe as soon as a couple of episodes from now maybe as late is like the end of the season, what they did season two of like Oh and here's Seru sister here's Laurel who is like episodes of season two I could very easily see them do something like that. Yeah. It's like, Hey, remember this short track. Exactly, like that could see that happening. So Luckily, think I think book is going to make comeback just depends on when that's coming. I hope it. Soon, I don't want him to hang around in space too long I want him to come back to old, but we'll have to see where they journey takes us next week. We're not gonNA spend too much time. On the whole deer doesn't remember. We're GONNA go make her REMEM- we're GONNA make. Them remember. Yeah. The question is just like wear is mean the episode is called. Forget me not which again makes it's this idea of. Wicked Memories I. Believe the plot summary Says Burnham innogy or visit the trail home world. Okay. That answers my question we're going to drill proper whilst efforts on the discovery help the crew reconnect yield surprises. Okay. So Sarah's going to host like mixer. It sounds like. He's GonNa you know Seru is the kind of guy that wants to Klay Icebreaker Games. They're all gonna be lying with their heads at each other's bellies. Let's tell to truths in ally. Seems like the crew at least part of the crew have their own little like reconnection thing in the final scene right. When they got go to San Francisco and visited the giant ash tree out old starfleet academy they were visiting the tree of life for Disney animal kingdom. It really did seem like that and there's actually a funny thing on the ready room where some behind the scenes footage obviously shows that. The tree is fake and it really makes you feel bad for actress sometimes when you remember like Oh, Yeah Emilia. Clarke had to act against tennis ball on a stick and like these five crew members were like, oh, it's so big and it is literally like a giant blue funnel on the ground and it hasn't been ten like this is a magnificent giant tree that they have so much associated memories with. Yeah that's fantastic I. Love that Seru was like. Go ahead, take all the time you need. Hang out. It's who. Five. More minutes that is like very well five more minutes and then. Breaks around planning at shot obviously I I did find the beautiful panning out from the tree to what San Francisco in thirty one, eighty, nine looked like it was really sweet. It was few and far between that, we would visit Earth in Star Trek just because the concept of the franchise was about looking beyond but It warmed my heart to be able to see a familiar setting even though as episode proved, it was completely unfamiliar location. Star Trek always had a kind of a messed up idea about home. Right, every time somebody went home it. No you'd rather be in starfleet because your home life sucks right I mean that was the whole brothers episode of tea and GM like well Picard you get some surely. Russell with your brother in the mud and then have a breakdown about being turned into a Bork, right? Yeah and then you have like, Kirk, stuck in the nexus in his perfect life turns out to be. He's actually really bored riding horseback or like Hey Cisco. Why don't you come back and yelled at by Your Dad? Does not approve of. Starved. Or Ezra Dax your family hates you yes. So nobody really wants to go home. or at least going home does not usually bear a lot of fruit and that's the other thing. Maybe that also is just sort of like a sub-conscious of the show of like. Well, we'd like when people are out there in the stars like I guess they can take a break, but we don't really want them to. Let's push them to get back on the ship as possible. Let's give them five minutes. That's all you get. Is Big brothers episode that was like warf in his parents right? He was just like embarrassingly rolling his eyes the entire time he's like, what is this over? So can go back to becoming a bad ass klingon instead of the adopted son of two Russian parents yeah. Yeah. Very very much although I did like that all of these it's kind of like the lower deck's moment. Really. I mean, we know tilley pretty well, but the rest of them, it's like Oh yeah you random person that we've met once in you other random person you got a couple of lines. Now you get to come down to the reunion to yet. So strange because I mean it was a little lower deck's and that we do have the ensign there I think the others are at least lieutenants but I know I'm still trying to figure out like I think star trek discovery is trying to have it have its kicking to and as Michael says, cake is. So that makes sense in like. Wanting to build out this massive on sambol but then also not necessarily dedicating time to building out that ensemble you know like I don't necessarily identified the one who I care about the most but like I could take or leave reese or rice oats call Oh, Whoa can hang. Can stay. Yeah. But like all these other I nestling needs to care about the reaction they have to the tree. But I guess if they are the more junior members to your point, they might have more reverence for the location considering that they're the ones that have had more recent experience with it. Yeah. There's that I thought it was a good that it was a good opportunity to at least get these people sort of on our radar because I think that was something that you know original series, of TNG, struggled with a lot where. You would have you didn't have named characters except for the the scooby gang and DS nine. Did it a little bit better where you had people that showed up every once in a while and you kind of build them up, and then sometimes you'd kill one of them and it would it a little bit harder like I'm thinking particularly of O'Brien's friend. Enrica who showed up in five episodes and then you thought, oh, he's going to be around and then they kill him or even like someone who takes a hard turn like a like an Eddington right a guy who was originally brought in and it's like, okay this is the starfleet higher who's watching over everyone shoulders surprise he turned out to be a Machi. Yeah, there's there's that one there's also. Had Barclay he was kind of maybe the closest thing you had to somebody you saw a couple of times and then he gets one story and then he goes away but there's also God. What's her name? The one who spilled coffee card who is working majority like I feel like she had a few appearances and then she disappeared. Oh Yeah. Yeah. I'm hearing the first thing was Linda maybe. Maybe maybe I'm but there's definitely is someone who who had a few appearances maybe it just didn't work with the show. Yeah. Let's let's get ready for but. Miles O'Brien started off that way too well, originally yeah originally was argyle and then they're like, yeah, let's bring. O'Brien, and he happened to cash that eventually it escalated into something. So there has been grave that has been paved ground that has been paved for possibly a burgeoning of these characters. It seems like they are laying some work for DETMER I. Don't think it's going to be a main focus, but I could see it be at least like a c. plot and maybe that opens the door for you know restore line to possibly come out and like a season for yeah. I. Don't think I want these people having story lines but I do want them being part of the other storylines and then. We'll see like I I wanted to go on an away mission and not just because they're the ones that get killed. Right, exactly or it's like. Put them, match them up with different characters. You know it was always fun to see. Until or statements and Reno bounce off each other but like how what statements and Bryce interact with one another those are sort of connective lines between characters that we don't have drawn yet because it seems like on the ship, we have five or six characters that mainly talk to each other than everyone else happens to be in the same room at the same time when they're on the British like go into the mess hall and find like Earl and rice and chilly having much. And I think we saw that actually in a bit of a bit of season one. So I WANNA see granted I. Think they have much higher priority things to get into now than like the Colbert ash tyler cafeteria fight that we season. But I'm hopeful for some of those more downtime moments it does seem like baby. That's what we're gonNA see next week. Seru is like, well, we got some some time to couple Michael and Derek come back. Let's let's. Have a little like a starfleet Thanksgiving dinner maybe maybe are wishes will be granted as soon as next week. Jess why picturing Seru like Throwing the party that Michael Scott through when he had the Michael Scott Paper Company. Or like the one that Dwight and Jim throw when they are celebrating. Kelly's birthday. We are starfleet printed on a banner in the cafeteria. With little like half completed balloons. Yeah. Exactly. And it's like all of a hollow Kate is like I duNNo. Whatever helping ease like it's flavored after that and nobody particularly likes it. They see. Is that just I'm trying to remember what? I feel like. I. Feel like they are her before i. do feel like I. Feel like the. Predator thing right. So I don't think. Food chain going on with the KELP and. Gives off the vibes doesn't he? Well, he's rail thin. So I could have there's not a lot of there's a lot of malnutrition on camera I can imagine I pretty sure I'm pretty sure that's like the one conversation you can engage through about. Like it all comes back around to digital Vegan. Let me tell you about my Vegan Diet maybe that's what his mixer is going to be all about. This is going to convince everyone to switch over to his diet. Yeah, it's like I have you heard the good news, a plant based lifestyle exactly like or maybe it's an MLM thing like while I'll have you here I'm going to sell you some hollow tupperware that you can use for all your get togethers. Yeah. I did to recruits people on the one hundred persons starship for my down line. Verse forming the Delta of Starfleet is actually a pyramid. It's like Oh. No through already sold me all that stuff it's not gonna be very good. For you to be, you know you can't. You can't sell me the same things through just sold me. Bryce. So yeah, that's the problem when you're selling within A. But they do have the sport drives literally warp around the universe and tried to. Detour that they end up taking if they're like, well, the federation sort of is done. So so now let's focus on our business. Let's get back all the die lithium in the world by running a Ponzi scheme. Listen if they take a hard left into that I will be very intrigued. I I. Now. I of I. Kind of want like season three of the dreamed about the about Star Trek Star Trek MLM's. Honestly though with the CBS monolith if you say it, it's almost guaranteed to be willing to existence in some way. Isn't how much stuff have we manifested? Which is another reason why I think it is not outside the realm of possibility that a DEORAS NBA is a Dax because this is the series that said spock has a stepsister. You never knew about like they are not afraid to make connections to kid so I will not be surprised whatsoever I think it's an illogical and unnecessary choice but I think that disco is certainly capable of doing it. Yeah I. Guess So. They. Have the reverence for the universal least and. But that doesn't explain why the Symbionese Tall I. End Up. Having to go through witness protection or something. That could be a thing as well. Just like I don't know it's a bad stuff happened in the in the two, twenty, nine hundreds and Dax had to change their name to tall three letters but kept one just to keep a bit of themselves but the two other. Retain, little bit of their. Sense of identity because you can also like, you could also wipe out the memories of one of the Symbionese we found out with Jack's yeah. That's very true. I mean we'll see it looks like we're and get some answers soon as next week, which is fine because now that this big question has been introduced, we saw this especially in season to how they. Give it to us in drips and drabs so I'm happy that we're at least like you know I feel like it's been three very solid episodes of forward momentum so far, and I'm hopeful that they won't Stahl at any portion of time and I'm hopeful that they won't looks like next week is went to keep on keeping on but I guess we'll see. Yeah it'll. It'll be fun to get momentum now that we've now we've established where we are and got the gang back together. Now, it's time to have the adventure. All Right Mike what else is going on for you so here on post show recaps, Josh Burglar and I talked for nearly three hours about the man behind the curtain season three episode thirteen, the infamous how John Locke on the wheelchair episode I know. 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Trek Untold-Episode 53 | Gates McFadden

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Trek Untold-Episode 53 | Gates McFadden

"Hi is gates. Mcfadden and i played doctor beverly crusher on star trek the next generation. And you're listening to track untold. Hello and welcome back to trek untold. The star trek podcast. That goes beyond stars. I'm your host matthew kaplowitz this podcast has always been about learning the. Who's who when it comes to star trek for the past year. We've met with characters star performers writers makeup artists and many many more to take the deepest of deep dives into their origins learn about how their profession works and here all of their amazing stories. I think it's a pretty unique sector of star trek podcast world and one that i'm very happy to be a part of but as it turns out i'm no longer alone in that area and you might be familiar with my new competition today on trek untold. We're speaking with the one only gates mcfadden. You probably know her. From six seasons of star trek the next generation and all the movies and starting on may twelve. She hosts a brand new. Podcast called gates mcfadden investigates. Who do you think you are. This podcast is the debut show from the cell cast studios which is an offshoot of the nacelle company. Who you may already know from their netflix series. The toys that made us in the movies that made us as all cw series discontinued and their upcoming history. Channel docu series. All about star trek. The a company always puts out topnotch content and now with gates on board for their first. Ever podcast you know it's gonna be good and of course it's pretty obvious than a cell company are star trek fans because it's in their name so it goes without saying that this new podcast will have gates interviewing many of her tng alumni with debut featuring a one chat with jonathan frakes. Now you heard frakes before on this show but you've never heard him talking an hour uninterrupted with his co star. They share a bond which travels across the entire. Tng family that no other hosts could have with their guests unless they went through something like that. I got to hear some tips in the show and it's very fascinating and very personal two. It's pretty surprising. What kind of stories they get the tell on the show so in this episode of trek untold. I do my best to replicate the experience of gates fan domesticates and what you might hear on her show. But you know i take my word for it outweight. Now that's that's lavar burton zayn. It's different podcast either way. Stay tuned for our next with gates mcfadden but before we jump into our interview. I want to ask you are you following. Trek untold on social media. It's the best way to keep up to date and who's going to be the next guest on trek untold and learn all about the other cool things that are happening here so if you're on instagram. Facebook or twitter go ahead and look up trek untold. 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You like and other people who are interested in the same subject probably like it too. It helps us grow. It helps us get better guests and helps us keep bringing this amazing trek untold. Show to you. If you're already following us or supported us in any other way thank you of course for being a part of the trek untold family. There's a lotta star trek podcast out there and we're very grateful that you chose us to listen to. I'd also like a quick shout out to our friends at triple fiction productions who makes them great three d. printed star trek inspire toys and replicas for fans of all ages and toys of all sizes. But you'll hear more about them a little later on in the show now without further ado. Let's beam up this week's guest computer access interview file hello and welcome back to trek untold and now joining us the other side of the screen. I don't think she needs any introduction of already. Give her like a five minute one before the show began as you folks can see. Today we are speaking with the lovely gates mcfadden gates. How are you today. i'll i'm great. How are you. i'm doing great. It's so wonderful to talk with you. Today we posted about this on our social media and we got such a huge response So many questions about the u. And i've got a ton of things to we're going to be digging deepfakes. That's what we do on trek untold. Ooh okay digging deep. I'm ready okay. So let's actually jump in. I on talk about the real reason that you're here. And that's because you've got a podcast coming out You've got gates. Mcfadden investigates which is debut may twelfth. so Yeah when was this idea for a podcast firstborn. Well you know it's funny. It was I'm trying to remember actually the date when it happened. I think it was maybe in march or april of the pandemic And i had just gotten back from a cruise. I actually had but was i didn't have a serious case. Thankfully and i got a call from brian. Volk weiss who is the ceo of nasal and he was so lovely and funny. And i'd never had sort of a ceo. Be like he was. He was just so down to earth. He's just a terrific guy. I really like him And he said you know gates I've been a big fan. And i just think you would be great doing a podcast and i'm like hello. What and he. He was very persistent. And i said. I said what my thinking initially thought that i would talk about track and i said listen. You don't know you don't know my friends and the cast and all that nobody's going to want to sit there and talk about star trek with me. We do it all time with everyone else. I said no no. They're all going to say no and i. Don't you know the people. I do podcasts. With no it much better than i do. And so i said no. I really can't and he could be anything you want. You can have anywhere on you want. I went and then he came back like sometime later and said no. I really do want you to think about this do it. And i said i just really don't know what i would do. And you know he said no. Just be you and just do this. And i'm like i don't know brian. Thanks but no. And and then he's called me back again and he says no. No you've got to keep thinking about. This is so this is the third time. And this is the guys drew so the only other thing in my life the came back to me with three requests was star trek gene roddenberry on the after i turned it down twice came back the third time and called me from his jacuzzi and said. Hey listen i think you ought to rethink this. I think you really should do star. Trek and i mean duh. What a dummy. What was wrong with me. That i didn't get this so i thought I should listen to this. Brian volk by wise and. So i actually. The truth is i went to my good friend's house and we were on the porch with our masks because we were we. Were really good about this. And i was like okay so i don't know should i do not an out of the blue. They had just gotten this dog few months before who was terrified of everyone and everything and the dog would not let me pet it. Nothing i could hold a biscuit and it wouldn't take it so all all of a sudden. I was getting ready to go and i'm going. I just don't know what i'm gonna do and i said you know what. Let's let the dog decide. So i held out to biscuits one in each hand. I said if it's the left hand. I'm doing it if it's the right hand i'm not and literally. It was hilarious. We were laughing so hard because the dog it was as if he totally understood what was going on and was going back and forth. Between which biscuit do i want which door my going to open for this woman. And he went for the biscuit for the podcast and i went well. The dog dared me to do it. I better do it. And that is literally how i agree to do it. That is an amazing story. But you know the thing about it. Is i started then thinking about it and this is the way i am about many things. It's like once. I start something i really get into it. I got into star trek. I got into building a theater in. La i you know you get into something and i really started to get excited about it and at first i was like okay. I'm gonna ask my friends. They're like so talked out by all podcast and they all said yes you know. They were so nice and supportive and i ended up. We laughs there. So many hilarious moments and then there are other moments. they're really powerful and moving and and we talk about things that you know. Maybe people have never heard before It's not about star trek unless it just comes up sort of chance for some reason but I don't know it was really interesting. And then i also am not just talking to next gen people. I'm talking to people in the trek world who i. I'm really interested in an other actors from other shows and I know i've been having a good time. I hope people like who knows you know but but everybody's so being and so i've been having a blast. That's great when i first heard about the show too i was like hearing the descriptions of it and i was like oh man she's doing trek untold without me space. You know my show. It's about star trek. But i think we spent two. There's the show a star treks so much to it right here. Actually you can tell us like. I know you've got eaton. You've got jonathan frakes at the debut episode. But can you tell us who else is going to be in this first round of episodes well i have will will. Wheaton is actually going to be a double upset. Because i'm telling you i could not cut it down. We had so much material. And i played games with him because he's such a game master so i set up a bunch of games and we had to put pennies in a Something so that people could hear when we got a point or didn't and we cover every subject. I mean it's amazing You will learn a lot about us that maybe you didn't know about. We talk about you know. When did you learn Lose your virginity you know we get in there and then we talk about some very You know it's it's the game we talk about heroes and just a bunch of things and i have to say i do a my son. There's no one like him he's just the best and then i have Michael dorn. I have nana visitor. I've talked marina. Denise crosby robber accardo john delancey and it's not over. It's it's just that. I had to take a break because i i learned how to edit sound because what i realized was it didn't work for me just to give the material to them and have them at it. I had to be like the director of it. So i had to learn how to sound at it and if i had a real problem and i needed it separated better or something. They would fix that. I had a wonderful sound editor editor from nacelle who i adore And he talked me through so many things and then he would make it sound like he would make the sound better sounding at the end. I don't know what he does with all of those buttons but did the editing and it took a long time. I can attest to that. I'm full-time outside of this. Actually so i know exactly the pain they're going through and so you're actually the one doing that anything. That's yeah well you know. I'm just looking at a text from. We'll wait and right now. Just a second son is interrupted us. Yeah he has He's the best we really I can't think of anybody who is more of the star trek world in the best possible way than he is at any rate. Yeah i did because it made it interesting to me. You know that matthew. How when you actually a really in the nitty gritty of it. Like i'm going okay that that's just messy. That's part you know wait. What are you trying to say. It's just take you out of there what you know. I think that's when it really comes alive to be honest because it's not just something rambling you really kind of. Get the the parts that They kind of build an. And i love that. I love that sort of By left directing. So i loved that that aspect of it and i like making people shine so i really. That's what i felt. When i was teaching so i think everybody comes off very well. Maybe not me. But i don't know we'll see you'll tell me that's the perpetual problem of all podcast hosts so don't feel too bad. We're all concerned about ourselves of good. Because it's tough to listen to yourself you like. Who is that person. And i felt. Jump ahead my question list a little bit here but since you brought up the editing. I'd read an article about your debut in star trek which was the episode genesis. And hopefully lots more time to talk about that a little later in the article. I read that one of the biggest things you had like some time getting used to was actually the editing process because you sat the other room right and that was just like a real kind of scary process for you right. It wasn't scary. It was thrilling. I also yeah. I'll tell you. I had also been very involved with labyrinths in some of the editing for that documentary and i always was making scenes for the director and i did that. For gavin millar's dream child. Which i did through the creature shop henson creature shop. And you're always you know working in that way of editing. What now we're gonna cut to hear. Then we're going to do that. I love that. So what i never had now. I have no idea how to literally do it with the You know software. But what i do is i can sit there and say nope nope. Don't we have something. And the other shot words. This and this and i love that and you know. The editor was so fabulous and patient and he was excited to have me there. I actually i think i'd asked. Rick rick ask me. Maybe i don't know so much that you want to be involved with the i said yes and so every day you know i went for a week and we went every day and we edited stuff and now my choices didn't always make it but you learn that way and And i really worked well with him. j. j. d. I think his name was he was just wonderful and and he wanted to actually nominate that for an emmy that episode because he thought the editing was really really. Good the comey. Obviously he was the master. And i was the pupil autograph episode though. Yeah it is really like shot so differently and evidence to you because was approached as essentially a horror film. Exactly exactly but it does have. Its scifi it's not just an a normal you know. Someone's on the loose. It is interesting how there's something scientific and you're finding what's going to bring us back and that's all about viruses and everything and we certainly know. Now how important understanding viruses gotta tell you having done some rewatching of tng bunch of s. nine recently at anytime see any about viruses and like why is it so topical. Why does it have to be topical topical. I know i know i well. That's the thing that's it's what you can't see that's going to sneak up on you there right course. So now as i mentioned you know trek untold. We spend a lot more time. Not talking about star trek. And i'm going to be true to that. So i wanted to talk to you about some of your work in the theater world beforehand and i don't actually hear what was your very first professional theatre you booked and what did you learn from it. I was paid for something when i was fourteen. Yeah my first. Play was a tennessee williams. Play and i was books and i did get paid something to do it and with the group in cuyahoga falls and it was It was a big step from because really by that time i did love acting and I love that. The place of tennessee williams. He gives you characters you can really sink your teeth in the only thing was is i had to kiss the guy in it. There's not like this one kiss. He was older than i was. I was fourteen i. I don't think i've ever kissed actually so. That was a little gross. Because you know he he was going at it and so. I didn't even know what that kind of a french kiss was. And it was like whoa wait a minute but it was quick. My father was a little disturbed by but it was really good experience. And then i think it was Let's see i did choreography. The harvard hasty pudding club which was like that was a nice paycheck. Did that for two years and little things. But then i guess my first where i got my equity card was cloud nine carol. Churchill cast in the tommy tune production in new york city. And i was. I had just left teaching and left some other things and just started acting in new york. I had just really made up my mind. Because i never meant to go away and teach for so long it just happened. I kept getting offers of stuff. So that was the first time and that was pretty amazing. One of the most incredible productions And i'm trying to think had that was the first time where i got my equity card and a paycheck but that can't be true because i did shakespeare in the park and that came because james lupine i had known him at yale. Drama school I had been dating a guy who is ill drama school. And he said and desma f- they were both friends of ours and he and they kept saying why aren't acting. I don't understand you. Trained as an actor i did. I trained for years as an actor. What are you doing like teaching. And just directing. And i'm like well i you know it's hard now and and both of them said no. No she's do it. And james the pine said i never. I didn't have an agent at that point. You have to understand. And james the pine said i want you to be in the show. An i'm gonna have diana from juilliard addition and i want you to audition for hypolito. And he said to me afterwards he said i don't know what to do. He said because. I love you both and you have very different things. She comes from juilliard and has an agent and has been doing a bunch of stuff. And you've never done a full out. Production so here's what i want to offer you is if you will play a ferry in the show i will guarantee you a saturday night as helena and you can get your asian and christine parents. Ski was doing helena. So i said yes and i don't wanna play a pretty fair. Because he was going to have everybody sort of like that. I said i i wanna do something. That's weird and funny and give me a fat suit. So he gave me a fat suit. And i got to just be A little bit clown ask with the bill. Herz ober on and then i did helena and i have to say changed my life. I got six. Asians offered to sign me. It was an amazing night. There were two thousand people was just extraordinary and christine. Bransky was lovely to you. Know she was. I think her someone in her family had gotten married and so she wanted to be away for that saturday night but it changed. My life really did it. And if i had started trying to find an agent at that point because most of my friends have been doing it already for fifteen years. And i have been teaching and doing other stuff and been in europe. You know doing theater. So they're the go. That's the full story but meeting carol churchill it was. It was amazing. It was an amazing show. I have to say that show was phenomenal in both the script. Everybody played at least two roles. My character was the triple role. Which was the gem of the whole thing. And i got to play An older woman. So i had. I got padded up for that. And then i played The middle aged woman and i played someone Much younger and it was people. Didn't know it was the same person until you went around at the end and it was beautiful. Play seattle read it read it. I spoke to jonathan frakes and arman sherman recently and i found out that they actually knew each other back. During their theater days you have ran into any of the people who eventually be trek alumni during days back. Then there's only one you see. Because i didn't start acting in my twenties new york. I was teaching in theater. Departments like at nyu or brandeis. So i was directing directing plays and. I directed something in new york but when i started when i had done that midsummer night's dream. And then right around in there is when i met brent spiner and so i was teaching somewhere at that point but i was still dating the guy who became a producer. New york a very big producer in new york actually And they one of their first shows they ever produced was with mac enough and then they did. The next one was What was the director. Andre bell grader. I think maybe and he cast It was a two person play emigres. And that was brent. Spiner was and he was fan. Fantastic in it. And i just would talk to him when i be. You know because. I go to a hertzel's and we just give you know i'd say what i thought about the show or something like that in a very casual way But i was interested. And i thought brent was very funny very charming and yeah watch me segue that into something else. Sort of star trek related not star trek related. So we're still talking. Nyc theater scene here and one of your earliest on screen roles was in up its manhattan right and that connection there are making my head. Is iran that with lonny price in that. You didn't do anything with lonny price but now very well known the new york city theater scene. Nfl moscow's juliana donald. Who was in tng and nine later on. But see. and i didn't know i was. Just i was dabney. Coleman secretary coleman i thought was hilarious. I loved him. But that's really the only person other than the the muppets that i saw. Really you know. it was also the first big movie i'd ever done and so i. I think i was in shock. Most his time. It's going to be a shocking work with muppets. I mean we've talked to juliana in fact about having to emote with something that can't go back to you. So what's like working with muppets. Oh it's a joy it was so easy. See i because i've tried to stay. Have that child like part of me. Always stay there. And i loved pre love. Pretend when you're a kid. I still love. Pretend you love it when you're a parent and you're pretending with your child i mean it's it's one of the most fun things in the world to do so it was easy you know and also i was totally in love with kermit. I thought he was the greatest. He always was my favorite of all the muppets. No matter how sassy anyone else was. I mean miss piggy was fantastic and i'm just talking to the the the puppets the characters. Not you know. Like a love Frank ogden he's hilarious but it was just something very simple I actually. That's the joke that i've told it some conventions when you know they're they're in the pit and your higher up so and my role was small by a frog with the music to see you know something like that and so they always do this trick and i'm sure they did it to the other people who were actress on the set. They try to get you to talk to them when they're on a break. So what happened was is i was so nervous. They all suddenly have a signal from jim to disappear. And you don't know what's going on. And i'd never done film so i didn't ask or anything i just was like. I'm gonna just sit here. And i thought i'd just go over my three lines or something and and kermit. He had stayed there. But i didn't. I didn't put this together and kermit is looking in this frame. That's on the desk and he's using it as a mirror and he's doing this thing where he's like looking as profile at sort of doing what i'm doing of like well. Gee should look this way. Is that going to be better. And i actually said. I talked to him and i went. What are you doing you know. Because i was like. And then he answered back. And then i answered something back and then i went. Wait a minute jim. So that's what they do and then as soon as they have tricked you then they all come back. So it's like the muppet hazing. Basically i think it is. It's a nice hazing now. I'd like to dig deep through people's resumes. And i saw this really weird one on your patient. I had to look it up. Because you're listed as being on an episode of saturday night live and actually found that episode of saturday night live on peacock and your credit is person who gets kissed in the audience by bill murray. And that's exactly what happens. I found that clip. So i'd love to hear the story about that entire night. Well you know what's really funny is. I'm so old that i couldn't even remember that. And and i had different people on twitter. Saying y'all know you you you were on saturday night. Live and i went. No no i and yeah bill. Murray kisses you and i'm like no no and then when they showed it to me they said that's you and i went. Oh that is made. Because i need the sweater that i was wearing and it was very particular sweater so i knew that was me and you know i remembered then i started. My memory was coming back. And i can't tell you who it was. Who invited may was someone connected with the show and they were very specific where they wanted sit. I was trying to sit in the back and they said no no. We want you to sit here. We want you sit here. And i'm like okay fine because bill knew he was going to do something like that so they didn't get sued so they they knew that i was going to be chill and yeah i was totally shocked that he did it and it was funny and i had completely forgotten that until i was reminded. So it's a you know amazing. I kept going no. That's not no. I never did anything. Oh that is me so essentially you're a plan to denote you plant right. That's pretty amazing. Yeah yeah so. I do have one theater question. But it's going to be a big theater question here and i actually asked to jonathan as well recently. I want to ask about every good boy deserves favour. I kind of obsession with that show. Did you get to see it. I never got to see it because Some star trek facebook group men and someone posted link to program ended up buying a program off ebay. And i've just like so curious about this show. Because it's you it's patrick. Jonathan it's brent kalala may yeah jonathan christine gross all star trek alumni. Doing this show amazing show. I wish i could've seen. I've only seen new two performances from other places but Yeah i love this. I hear about. How did you guys initially decided to do. Gdf it was patrick's idea. I think it was patrick. Was at the point where he was going. A little stir crazy with with just doing a one character role. He was just doing a lot of different roles as most of us. Were you know you didn't do at least for me. Other people had been on series. I had not been on a series like that. I had done. But i had never done such a long term thing. And he knew we all love theater and he's he was friends with stoppard and he thought this is perfect because he saw that through star trek fandom that we could actually afford to get at work with a full orchestra so we were working with. Adp's orchestras. i mean. It was exciting in that way. There were so many We were in in kind of the middle on different platforms and the action is through. It's like what's going on in the character's mind and have it be that large and it was awesome. It really was and patrick directed and played the doctor which is just the most hilarious part by the way absolutely hilarious part. I mean i had a ball. It was fantastic. My son was really little. That was the only part. That was hard because i had to take him with me. And then i'd have to find someone you know. I'd have to i twist my mother's arm or someone's arm to come and stay in the hotel because he was really young but the experience was just a blast. Because you know. I was telling someone else on a podcast. Yesterday live theater live performances. there is nothing like it. A music live performance. You know if you go in you actually watch somebody paint. I mean the idea of the arts when they are performed in any way or alive singer. Just you know it's amazing and there's something that happens between the spectator and the performer. That is this connection. And sometimes it's bad connection because you don't people don't like everything but when it's a strong connection. It's it's profoundly cool. And i think that we all felt it was exciting and we felt musicians. So i mean. Orchestras are powerful. There's a lot of people who've never been to an orchestra and a lot of our fans at. Oh that's the first time i've ever heard an orchestra play. It's powerful when you actually hear. Music like beethoven's fifth live instead of on a cd. It's very different now for folks who don't know about dvd if they have no idea why we're talking about a giant orchestra. So i'd loved you actually kind of explain what the story is for the play and why there is a giant orchestra in it. I have to refresh my mind on that. I mean i think people can can also google it but it. It's what's happening in these two prisoners and one of them. It's what's happening in his head. And he keeps hearing this music this orchestra in his head. Okay and so. That's very funny. And then they have to go see the doctor but he has go through the orchestra in order to see the doctor. You know an. I was working. I was playing a character. Who is what is the red note. What does the green note. And i'm being very strict teacher and it's sort of like what he's remembering In his mind of all the different colors of music and different things. It's it's a jumbled up. I would have to read it again to be articulate about it. Stoppard is so brilliant. That i don't wanna do shame him by by not articulating it better. But it's that this is all inside the one prisoners head. And that was the character brent played and then he had his cellmate who was played by jonathan. Yeah it's a very dense place especially Jonathan frakes character. He plays. He's got like pages of practically. I call them interrupted. Monologues could space leaders pages of dense. Dial with the doctor characters sometimes interrupting him for like a sentence or two right. I read an article. I think might even from the la times or la magazine when the show debuted where the interviewed you in fact and I think you mentioned that there was an interesting mix of theatergoers because some of the theatergoers were actual fans of the internet. Wanted to see the play and another large section was star trek fans. They've come take photos. They've come in like star trek uniforms. Do you remember much about the audiences that came to see the play. I it was exactly what you described and that was okay. That was great because when people say to us i've never seen a play or never seen an orchestra live before not start now. Let's start immediately and get you to have this under your belt. And maybe you'll go see more because It's there's more to life than then a your screen and again i urge people to I mean i will watch things on. I stream things all the time but there is something about going to a big movie theater or going to a live performance because it is a collective experience. Okay so you're hearing someone else laugh like i remember. I took my son to something when he was four. In new york city was a dance company palabras. And it's the same theatre where whoopi goldberg did. The debut of her first show. It's a small theatre but there we were in the dancers was doing somethin'. Everybody's watching and all of a sudden my son saw something that he thought was hilarious and he just laughed this four year old laugh and the whole audience just perked up and they all started giggling and it was like you know there was a connection and i think that happens all the time. You can feel if there's like people aren't focused and you can feel if there's a concentrated everyone's holding their breath you feel it. It's visceral now. All of your scenes in the show are with john christian grass. He also appear in the episode of tng I'm i've been trying to find this man. He's kind of vanished off the face of the earth. Has i know. I just loved him. He was great. He was very very good. I think that's when patrick kasim's had been on an episode of star trek. That's how he knew that he wanted to work with them. And we would go and rehearsed by the way on weekends. We would go. Paramount gave him permission. That we could use a studio so we'd go in there and to rehearse and everything was done very quickly. We didn't have like a lot of time to rehearse but you know we were. We were professionals and we did it but yeah no it was. It was a blast which we could have done that all the time. That would have been so much fun. I mean i know. There's a video recording somewhere out there. That's why i also earn more about the show. There's la tv news station assembly that it was some clips from it allow. Do you have any memories at all of any of the performances that happened. Oh yeah i mean but you know of course we we did it in chicago and that was where there was this incredible theater. That was from the way back when the whole ceiling would move. The clouds could move. It was incredible beautiful theaters. Because i wasn't used to performing in a six thousand seat theater. I had done a lot of my. My new york theatre other than shakespeare in the park was like smaller at the public theater. Or you know like two hundred seat houses or hundred hundred fifty seats things like that or even lucille or even. I don't know how many i think that's three hundred something like that but anyway. That was what i was used to. So six thousand people. That's that's a lot of people if you do the show with the cast. Would you do it. Oh of course move so much fun yeah easy. You wouldn't mind playing. I wouldn't mind playing the doctor That was really. That's that's a role of it's hilarious. I love that role trick. Untold will return momentarily trip. Untold is brought to you by triple fiction productions. If you're a star trek 'cause player looking for props or tweet collector looking to spice up your shelves triple fiction. Productions has you triple fiction. productions produces affordable and unique three d. printed trek inspired products from the original series next generation deep space nine voyager enterprise and the movies. 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That episode was after tasha yar has been brought back to sick bay and dr crushers checking her out crusher browns her dead and it stood out to me because it felt very visible and very real as opposed to the other times that you said that we're you know obviously it feels real but this time it felt different and i'm wondering if like if that was in any way related to things that are going on behind the scenes with eastern the show and maybe your feelings as well about ultimately leaving the show that net following season was such especially real from that scene for you know i think it was because the character was part of the crew. You know i mean if it had been data or if it had been one or deanna troi. I would've felt the same way. I think it was literally there. It wasn't a deeper level. I think that's something that as as people watch it. They might add that level on. But at the time no and i thought why couldn't she have brought her back. I kept thinking you know. But that's more because it was you know it was a crew member and that was the first time that it happened I don't you know. I i mean i was sad to see her go but i totally understood her going and it had nothing to do. I had no idea Bein had much more to do with one producer who we sparred and He i think he sort of said either she goes her. I go and so. I was not picked up and then it just didn't work out and so then he left and I i was asked back interesting. okay. I've always been curious about that like i was wondering if maybe you never commiserated together about all. The promises are having now too bad. Maybe we were starting our own series and we always going to be now. That's too bad we should have done that because you know later. I directed her on stage. She we had so much fun working together. It was great. It was one of my favorite shows. I love it. And i gotta ask you a question about. Data's everybody in the world's probably asking me about this And you know we haven't even talked too much about your dance Mentioned of acting background. We talk a ton about dancing. But yeah i'd love to hear about you working brent spiner and getting him to follow your crazy moves. Did he have a background dance before that. No he doesn't some. Maybe you know in college or something and he could do a sauce. Shoot the the time step and we worked on some other stuff. But no basically we've rehearsed it and And then i cast someone as his stunt double because His dance double not stunt double and that guy was really really good. He was a superb tap dancer and then they probably speeded up the cameras. Well as is my recollection. So he's not only dancing incredibly fast when he does his hair wet. But i i loved coming up with that sequence. I came up with lot of the little details. That are in the sequence in even a couple of funny lines that i got approved. They you know they wrote the basic premise and stuff. But that was so much fun. Yeah that i wish. I could have done that endlessly that kind of thing where you get to create something but then i would not be the genius that they were. When they wrote all these scientific episodes andino philosophical. I mean they they brandon. And ron and michael piller and rick berman a mean. There was some incredible scripts. Doctor crusher gets leave sick bay too often really leadership too often but I've noticed that on occasion she does. I've felt like there's been some dance moves in things like i was just watching an episode. I'm going to be super nerdy here. I was just watching the episode attached. And i noticed where you basically walk up onto the transporter patty basically like a the exact terms that you kind of like did a cross your legs into second position or something. It felt very very elegant. I know right. it's the super duper nerdy. Something i love it. it's so funny. Did your dancing ever dictate any of your mobility on screen. You know you are who you are because of the way you move and so when that's always when i do a character especially if it's a character that's not close to me that's the most fun thing is. What are the shoes like. How do you have to walk. And what's the wait. Where's ago i level that So yes i would assume that people on the ship needed to keep in shape and be agile I would say crusher. I did a lot of away teams. Actually i maybe didn't do as much as some like reicher but i did you. Kyra i remember. Because i always had to carry for several years. That stupid medical kit that would open and everything would fall out. I mean they should have talked to louis vitton because there was no class it was just it would stay closed because they wanted us to open very quickly when i put it down. But meanwhile if something happened and it just came off your hand that was you know a three minute. Pick up in the sand on planet. Hell you know. I love that now. I saw a tweet. You actually just posted very recently about an episode the host and that was in relation to an article just shut up star trek com called growing up female and queer with star trek right and it just kind of recapped it up real quick that up so that ends with doctor crusher telling the female host of don and i quote perhaps it's a human failing but we're not accustomed these changes and that's meaning how you kinda fell in love with the male host but then when odom became the female something changed for you and you just address this in a tweet thirty three years later so it'll be just tell us what you said and your thoughts on this episode. Well i'm i'm somebody who is very inclusive gender wise so i mean i m myself. I'm heterosexual but i'm very you know. Gender is something. that's just fantastic. That can be so many different things for different people. I felt when i played it. Because i certainly you know. In my twenties. I had a lot of friends who were gay and lesbian and I had taught Shops for theatre groups that were a group of Gay women so i did not wanna play it that it had anything to do with her being a woman that to me what it was is i i had this one male that that's the person i felt fell in love with. I didn't know that it was this host thing. When i fell in love with him so she's already gone through that then very quickly. He's going to die. So you have to put it in something. So i can justify if i put it in You know she didn't know what person you could put it into. I mean what if they'd put it into a child. That would have been a really different episode. So i think it could have been put in. Troy could have been put in Ogawa whatever i i think the first time it gets put in someone else it it was. She was still so in love that she felt it and it was like. Oh you're not dead i. I'm so glad this this. This don is still alive but then to have very quickly after that like you know really quickly in someone else. It's it's just too much. I don't care who it they had put the third one into. I don't see how somebody they would have to be. Maybe a host themselves. They would have to be that kind of a creature to understand that you could just keep changing and it didn't make any difference for us. That was the first time we knew of this kind of species. And i think it's the fact that it was changing so fast. I don't know how you can process that it's like takes time to process things that we we understand and on to me. That's what i was playing. Maybe someday we can process all this and but this was the first time we had seen this species within a matter of like a week it had. It was three different people the host was into. I don't find that unusual that she couldn't process it and to me. I did not at all play it. I think i know people took it that way. But i didn't play it that way at all in my mind that that had nothing to do it. If it had gone into card at that point. That's like too much. I couldn't have done that. You see to me. Like if even have been john luke that would have been like really confusing. I couldn't have done that. So i think people need to look at it in terms of like go deeper and think about it that it's not just about the surfacing of suddenly as a man or woman but it you know it's like if you had your pet and you took this host out of your pet and you had in in a matter of a couple of days it's like three different looking dogs or something. It's gonna screw with how you feel about that. You know you know since. I brought up some stuff from season. One else wanted to mention under fewer where there was a writer david gerald and he was trying to get some. Lgbt teams are back in the first season in roddenberry. Push back against that right and here. We are today now and we have a lot more. Lgbt inclusiveness in star trek which is fantastic. Finally finally but then we also have this subset of fans very much against it because they think it's quote unquote edgy or that. It's pushing a topic that doesn't affect the plot or just really doesn't affect them. So what is your take on. Modern inclusivity and track. I feel that we in order to go forward. We have to be inclusive. Okay we have to become tolerant. We have to become more accepting of people who are different from us. We don't have to be like that we can be ourselves I think that that the wonderful thing about star trek is you can. It's the world we have people. We are not just in our little or big countries. Whatever this nationalism we are also of the world and we are going to mars and we coin to a space station and this is the future you know. Our planet is in jeopardy environmentally We have to learn how to live together. And that's one of the great things about the prime directive the federation. It's like even though we would like to impose something. We're not gonna do that. Yes we sometimes make mistakes and then we. We tried to correct them as much as we can. I can understand how it's against some people's religious beliefs or their feelings and they have absolutely right to feel that way so they they. There are many other aspects of star trek. They can enjoy. And i don't think the world it's self like what's not edgy. about covid nineteen. That's pretty edgy. That you you can. We didn't know how we could get it here. We were washing our groceries. When we got home you know and then we find out no no it's it's respiratory so you don't have to wash your food in that same way. The boxes and everything it's edgy. life is edgy. As far as i'm concerned it's also wonderful but it's it can change on a dime right print answer great answer now on kind of a lighter topic here. I think this is going to be one of those episodes. You could ask about all the time. And i think you re brennan on this at sub rosa. I've spoken with jonathan about this. I've also spoken to dunkin regard about this. Who was running up zone. Oh he's so wonderful. He's such a good artist to you. Know he's amazing. We talked all about his career his acting as well really mad. Yeah i'd love to hear a little bit about working on that episode and let's just get initially. What was your first thoughts when you read the script i thought was. It was wild and jerry. Taylor had written out for me. She wanted me to. She felt nobody had let me really a super feminine and sexy and have have this kind of story and So that was so lovely of her. And i ended up having a blast. Doing it. okay. It was just total blast. Dunkin was so great. Was it kind of like silly that my whole family of women's suddenly we find out they've all been in love with this lamp and the spirits. I mean you can really make comedy about. It would be a good saturday night. Live sketches the. You're all in love with this lamp ronin. So that part was it again. It was like it was a different kind of an episode. But she's on vacation. Whatever i i think you have to balance that. I wasn't producer on the show. If you're a producer or you're the artistic director of a theater you decide what plays you're going to do or you know what the scripture like if you're not you're actor on the show and if you're given a script you can give notes that you might think might make it better but there's an absolutely zero guarantee that you're going to be listened to so you play what you're given and you get into it. It's like any time. We got out of our uniforms after so many years. It was fun. Because you've got to imagine something else so if you look at it that way and don't become too rigid about your feeling about what the trek world has to be. You can say yes. It was slightly wacky And you can either like it or not I had a lot of fun doing it. And i appreciated getting. It wasn't at all what i had anticipated. It wouldn't have been what. I would have requested in that way. But i felt very fortunate to have a part that was You know focused on me at that point. So i'm grateful and i can tell you you know. Maybe where dunkin also appeared on ds nine as a recurring role of car. But he actually told me he much prefers a really yeah. He had like five appearances in deep space nine but he felt the character of ronin was as so much more substantial to him and so much more work with it was also Yeah he was. He's such a gentleman and he's so Elegant you know. He gave me a beautiful painting. Do you know that he did a beautiful one of of beverly crusher in the role. It was just really beautiful. Yeah i treasure it. No he's he was so lovely to work with and again that's for you guys the fans to argue about for me. I'm not gonna argue about that because my role was to act. What would you know. Act apart. I think one of the things that people talk about a lot now and it's also kind of made to mean it's just all beverly's for lack of a better word phantom orgasms dear. Really glad i haven't seen those and it was weird. You'd have to like basically do this kind of performances with especially by yourself. Yeah essentially by myself no no. It's not weird. It's you're you're paid to act. What can i tell you you know. Yeah i did a lot of research on that now. I mean you're paid to act. Yeah and s. Speaking of memes to i had a lot of people wanted to know this of all things. Yeah there's tons of star trek questions. But i think there's just so many people who wanted to know if you're aware of the blazing beverly names. Have you seen those memes. I'm not sure. I've i've seen some names but i'm not sure of all of them now. I can't say that. I know all of them but i certainly have seen a few within funny. I just saw a new one that was with picard and crusher and they both have their hands out like we've forgotten how to shake hands we have to learn after cova and it was very funny. I have to say. I thought it was good. I mean our fans are so clever. I love the stuff people come up with. You know you've made it when you were mean that's pretty much the truth really okay. Well i was a mimi like this kind of memo and i was wrong. Different kind of mean but yeah. That's on nasty. You know about your action figures because on xtra collector i've actually got a fact one of the prototypes of beverly crusher figure. So let's hear what your thoughts are on your toys site. Did you like your action figures. Did they look like you. Oh you know. I don't know that. I felt they. yes some of them do some of them do. Some of them don't The first one that came out the very first one They sent it to me. And i can't even remember if i was allowed approval at that point or not. I can't remember but my son who was one and a half or two. He went he sought and went a mummy doll because he had seen me in uniform so much that he didn't he had never watched arte key did not know anything about. I didn't own a tv. By the way. I didn't want my son to get so inundated with tv. That he didn't he wasn't allowed to even see his first video until he was three so he had never you know he didn't have that facilities and understand. That's what camera was doing so he would just go down to the set and uncle brent. Who is godfather would just look like that. And then he'd it would take him time to understand. Brent was the person who was also normal. Michael doran he'd make that connection for a long time he understood who wharf was but he didn't have a clue. Michael dorn was you know. And then of course then he. He got it as he got older. But that's what was fun about. It is to to have him see that. And it's just like when i'd be autograph we used to have to autograph so many pictures that we were asked like. They'd give us a box of one thousand. We had a autograph more uranium the fans or whatever and i remember when at one point he was like stopped signing your face. Come play with me and i went okay. That's it i am not signing anymore. We are playing the idea that his mommy is signing her face. You so i went. Okay gotta watch that. That's awesome. I'm gonna make on your face at a convention one day. I promise you that much okay. Where are you located right now. I'm in new york new york city. I lived there for twenty seven years. I love new york all right so gates one of the last things i gotta ask you. of course. today everyone wants to know we'll doctor crusher return will ever see her in star trek card. Well i hope so. But i really don't know at this point. There's there's nothing concrete. I think you're really gonna ask patrick. I think he's gonna be patrick choice. That's my my feeling so we'll see it'd be great if you want to send me patrick cellphone totally eskimo problem. I don't think so and again we're talking to you today about your upcoming podcasts. Which i believe comes out on. May twelfth gates investigates. it's actually investigates. Who do you think you are. Great name by the way And so you know about that. Show alive or dead. Who is your dream guests. You would love to spend an hour talking with whoopie as agreed to do once. I'm certainly looking forward to that one. That that's a pretty dream guest us. She's she's unbelievable she There's so many people everybody. I'm talking to i go god. There's they're even more interesting than i already thought i. There's there are no duds in the this world. So i feel You know can't wait. I wouldn't mind doing one with stacey abrams or cory booker. Some of these people who really are trek fans but who are also Potentially you know they're they're doing it in real life that's That's an amazing thing. Yeah it's really truly an amazing thing. How many people really affected by star trek and again. I mentioned earlier in the show. I asked my listeners demon questions but allowed them to head comments and they wanted to say. Please tell her that. Doctor crusher inspired me to pursue stem career and these are coming from a lot of. Especially so i mean oh the community is just so grateful for what you've done. I mean it doesn't get much better than that i. I certainly don't take any credit. But i do feel honored to have been part of a show that the gave women and men role models because we need them and I had them in my life. And i feel it's crucial for all of us. Want to go forward together. So i'm i'm honored. I thank all of you who have thanked me Because you are my future. Okay thank you so much for chatting to. We didn't get chest and talk to in depth about genesis. I had this whole list of questions. So hopefully i can investigate it another time. Okay there you go so much. And i want to check out gates mcfadden investigates. We're going to have links to all of that so make sure you check it out from the nacelle company. Their brand new podcast series are just beginning. Should we got a lot more. And i'm really excited to listen to the show too. So congratulations on your project. Come to life thank you matthew a pleasure. Thanks so much have a great day gates. Long offer it. Thank you you too. And that was our chat with gates mcfadden. Thank you again for coming by my humble. Show to talk star trek and so much more and of course want to check out her. New podcast from the nacelle cast studios. Look up gates mcfadden investigates. Who do you think you are starting on. May twelve when they've used wherever you listen to podcasts. But just don't forget to listen to truck on told the free check out her show. Please don't mind thank you now. Unfortunately today we didn't get to talk more about genesis during the time i had with her like when we started this episode. And we to talk about it as you can tell a lot of other fun stuff came up and we never really got back into it. But in the meantime here's a few facts about that episode. Just kind of tide you over until the next time happens. This episode was the first time an episode of star trek was directed by female cast member with the next one happening some years later when roxanne dawson directed episode of voyager michael west more and his team had a ton of work to do on this episode and they were nominated for an emmy in that category of makeup for their efforts. Now all this was the first time gates had directed a tv episode. Wasn't the first time she had ever directed. We didn't talk a ton today about her choreography. Career working with of the jim. Henson productions including labyrinth. Obviously that counts as type of directing and she has directed at hundred productions onstage across the country for auction for this episode was delayed due to the northridge earthquake forcing them to stop for two days according to interview gates entertainment tonight back in ninety four and by the way this was the same earthquake that caused armand sherman to run off the ds and drive back home to check on his family while wearing full clark makeup want hear that story go ahead and check out. That upset of this podcast. So that wraps up this week's episode of trek on toll. Thank you so much for checking out this week. Please make sure that you're following us on instagram twitter and facebook all at trek untold. That's one word no spaces at trick on. It's the best to get updates on guests check out all the memes and other things that were posting and interact with myself and other star trek fans. 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If you'd like to send us some feedback about this episode suggested guest or asked to be booked on the show go ahead and send me an email at trek untold g mail dot com and of course thanks to listeners like you for choosing trek untold the making it your weekly star trek podcast this has been trek untold matthew kaplowitz until next time fortune favors the bold trek is sponsored by trek sphere dot com roading fan produced star trek content in all forms is powered by the rage works podcasting network and is affiliated with news today.

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The First Show of 2021, What's New Geeks?

Altered Geek

20:05 min | 3 months ago

The First Show of 2021, What's New Geeks?

"This is steve. And you were listening to the cast radio network. You're listening to altered keith. With steve mega truck on the key cast radio network. Hello and welcome to altered geek. I'm your host steve mega truck. And i hope you're ready for this week's adventure into geeked them. Thank you for tuning in is always. If you'd like to you know do me a favor and share the show with your friends on social media you can find it. Anywhere at altered geek. I really appreciate it. And is always comment on the episodes in your desired method. And let me know what you'd like to hear next so a little bit of housekeeping. We haven't had a single episode in twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty was a bit of a cluster Between things that mike. And i were saying on the podcast things that Me and my cohorts were spouting from the mouth. It's kind of like this peter. We've got to prove lois. Innocent as right and the best way to crack any high profile crime case is to do a podcast before you have all effects. Okay and the key to. Podcasts is more sound quality and tons of commercials. So yeah that's pretty much. How twenty twenty was with a lot of stuff and it's still to that extent on some places just not here so yeah that being said i didn't really feel right about doing in episode up until this point honestly. It's taken me quite some time to decide. When i was going to do another episode more so head to do with the fact i just completely lacking motivation. As well as. I just didn't know what to talk about on the podcast so rather than record a bunch of lackluster podcasts. About nothing i that it was better to not record one In that regard so and everything. I've been keeping busy with. And i don't know what you guys have been keeping busy with because we've kind of lost a little bit of communication we've had back and forth but i've been keeping busy with recording all things transformers. I've been i. I don't know if anybody had paid attention. In the end of january. I was a panelist on a icon online a transformers convention that was done through twitch. And it's i pre recorded my my segment which was an hour long about beast wars and twenty five years later why it still relevant and so if you want to check that out. That's on the guest radio website as well as our youtube channel. So be sure to check that out. So that being said. I've done that. I've done a bunch of all things. Transformers episodes a bunch of the pullback with transformers studio nine episodes and i've been pretty much not producing anything unless it's all things and that's twofold one beast has come back full force with kingdom that's coming out this summer in july and so if your just wondering what's going on i've recently gotten into the transformers customization spectrum and we're we're also doing a top one hundred transformers countdown. We're we're we're basically just having a bunch of transformers websites podcasters pretty much. Anybody that's involved with with geek them that that wants to be a part of it and we're doing top one hundred countdown of transformers and so that is going to be an undertaking for sure. So as i stated before we're we're going to undertake that in june and july so stay tuned for that. But in addition to that i've been getting into this land of customizing toys and why you might ask used to do this when i first started collecting transformers and when i got a lot of the trans metals for instance rampage or the original mega tron from ninety six ninety seven and the machine wars figures. I just something was missing. Just paint app wise. And i was just totally incompetent at the time so i painted them and i ruined the figures. Because i didn't know what i was doing but if you looked at any of the alterations that people had at the time and their customs. They all sucked now. You look at the stuff that people can do. Now between custom parts with three d. printing and Just paint apps or just developing their own version of a figure. I say that because there's a guy that's been making masterpiece versions of inferno scorpio and terror sore and hasbro can't seem to get some of their figures correct so i say that again because fans are just blowing it out of the water with custom stuff. Custom figures custom apps so like kingdom cheater. Didn't have his guns. and for some reason hasbro. I know it's a cost cutting thing. Even though the prices are double or triple what they would have been twenty five years ago but they leave a lot of holes and gaps in the figures where you can see a lot of the The metal pieces a lot of the innards of the figures legs and arms and for whatever reason they deemed it not necessary to patch those are filled them in so have been three d. printing the parts and selling them that fit in these figures. And you're able to fix your own figure except for the fact that you're talking you're adding another fifteen to thirty dollars to your figure to make what hasbro should have done from the start. So i i've been having fun watching a lot of the fan stuff. I- i customize the kingdom cheater the first one that came out and he had the playskool blue and yellow and just look terrible They came up with the netflix version with darker yellow and blue which is what it should have been from the start. But they didn't paint the shins. So again i painted him. I customize them and if people are interested in that i'm thinking about writing blogs as well as doing some livestreams of me just customizing the figures as i work on them. I have quite a few that. Have been working on so customized a kingdom cheater. And i sold it on ebay. I flipped it for almost triple of what i paid for it just by paint apps and i sold it in the person that bought it was extremely happy and i was happy to get rid of it and i was able to for half of the prophet go in by a tenth anniversary cheater. So it's basically a reissue of the original ninety six that they came out with in two thousand six and it had correct yellow and blue paint apps according to the show. And so all i had to do is add the gold paint app with just gold paint to the figure and wallah. I had my own version of a masterpiece. And then i painted his guns and whatnot. So i started off with that figure. I repainted trans metal rat trap by repainted kingdom dino bhatt. I'm not quite done with him yet. But i'm still working on it. I'm also working on kingdom eraser and thrilling thirty wasp later and puerto tarantulas visor. So i'm kind of going through multiple figures and kind of customize them to make them my own budget version of masterpiece Where i'm happy enough with them. That i don't have to spend the extra for the masterpiece the eighty to four hundred dollars a figure. And so i. I'm loving this time. With with collecting with transformers and with customizing. And i find the whole painting thing very relaxing. So that's that's what i've been doing in my off time in in addition to watching Like we had the mandalorian season two which was awesome loved luke showing up. We had one division. We're that was totally unexpected. But i'm really liking Falcon and the winter soldier. It's been a really good show as well. I've seen the zach snyder. Justice league which in oddest opinion was entirely too long Not that it was bad it was better than the original cut. But i just. I don't know if i really needed it. I think i was kind of over that. So i don't know. I've been kind of skimming and watching various shows lately just to kind of get a taste for him. I haven't really touched on this show. I watched the the transformers earth to rise. That came out at the end of twenty twenty It wasn't too bad. I liked how it ended. But it definitely was grading on me at certain points. I'm looking forward to kingdom with the beast wars characters but nevertheless. I expecting to be disappointed in the vocal department apartment. In some regard there are some actors that i prefer and there. I think it's mostly the voice direction. The bothers me so other than that. That's that's pretty much all it's going on there so other than that. I'm watching a lot of shows not really a lot. But last man standing shark tank the flash supergirl trying to think what other shows pretty much anything star trek that comes out. I've been following star. Trek picard season. Two's teaser where they're gonna have cue in guinan and possibly the h. And possibly some of the other castes. So i'm looking forward to that lower deck's looking forward to season two because again more jonathan frakes and the titan and things we didn't get in after nemesis discovery season four. Not really looking forward to it. They kind of left it at the end of season three where they could have just left it alone and started a new track show and left it But i am looking forward to strange. New things are strange. New worlds with captain. Pike on the bridge of the enterprise so a lot of different shows that i'm looking forward to in kind of perusing been i watched the The the story of the last blockbuster which was quite interesting because About two years ago. I an article for tech website that i worked for at the time about blockbusters and there was only two left. At the time there was one in alaska and the one in oregon in the one in oregon. Still the only one left and it's quite amazing to say the least on that so just a lot of stuff just kind of going on but not really too important. I wouldn't say one would have you guys been up too late sound off. Let me know on the comments on the website. Hit me up and social media at sap. Twenty-one just kind of let me know what you guys have been doing. What's been keeping you entertained. What's what's been fueling your victim in the last four months since we really haven't conversed and actually it's been about five months and so i just kind of curious what you guys have been doing anyways. This show will be kind of turning into more of a soapbox more of a discussion more of a one on one with you and me. And i'm looking forward to more feedback looking forward to that conversation and if you'd like to send invoice clips you can send feedback. Ca cast radio dot com subject. Line altered geek. And just let me know. And i'll play them on the show and we can. We can have that conversation. I'm thinking about doing some livestreams to this year as things progress like. I said i might do somewhere. I'm customizing my figures and kind of messing with that just so that i can have a conversation in converse as well as have just somebody watching me work on the figures that i'm planning on doing anyway so yet like i said not not a ton going on however i do have various articles that i i've been saving for whatever reason on my phone for months so one one of the things that's been kind of coming out is mass effect. The legendary edition improves the originals graphics. And if if anybody's seen that. I guess the legendary addition comes out may fourteenth of this year. And it's putting a lot of work mostly that first game that came out in two thousand seven in feels really dated so they fix a lot of the is. They fixed a lot of the face. A lot of the wrinkles in the clothing a lot of just those aspects that get kinda lost when you don't have the technology at the time so it's also gonna come with The definitive mass effect experience. So you get most almost all the dlc save transfers between titles and So yeah it. It's going to be targeting four k in having xbox one acts. Ps for perot. and i'm sure the. Ps five and series x consoles. And i hope that comes to the. Because i actually did enjoy that game when i had the three sixty but yeah. They've they've definitely done a lot of updating as far as the graphics and the graphical user interface elements sounds Just looking at the character profiles. There's so much more depth. The colors backgrounds the injury. They've put a lot of work into it. I i'm i'm a huge fan of the trilogy. I'm not really so much beyond that. But yeah so another thing. I've been kind of doing is browsing various Different forums. i've been. I've been hanging out with the the. All spark crew and their discord channel would would opening up discord channel. Be something you guys would be interested in like to have more of that conversation Piece where we're we're able to converse more more openly more frequently and in have this one on one dialogue or have this this kind of discussion group where it's close to feller fellow geeks and where we can get geeky together in their Would there be something you'd be interested in. let me know. And i've actually been working on that anyway. But if that's something you guys would love to see i. I would like to get in motion sooner than later. So in addition to a lot of other things going on there's another star trek movie. Of course being slated for twenty twenty three among other things I don't know i i. I'm kinda just enjoying what. I'm and just leave the rest behind. It's been different to go that route. Because i'm used to commentating on literally every aspect of things that kind of pop up but i've kind of decided that i'm just not going to anymore if i don't have anything positive to say just because than otherwise it's just a waste of a podcast and nobody wants to hear me complain right speaking of complain. There's a lot of people that have been complaining about the a host for jeopardy and i guess lavar burton promoted a petition aimed at getting him to host jeopardy. Which honestly i would be the most down for that out of anybody that they've had behind that podium. Since alex trebek's died. I honestly think that lavar burton is probably the best choice to put behind that. He's got this image of of learning behind him anyway from doing reading rainbow for years and his lavar burton reads and and all of these various educational prospects. And i think that having him in jeopardy would be great and then of course. There's there's rumors of a batman. The animated series revival. Which may or may not happen on. Hbo again kind of looking forward to seeing what they do if they do it. If you've not checked out the beast wars comic and you've listened to the poll bag and you've listened to all things transformers. You really should check it out. It's been spectacular. If you're a fan of of transformers that it really has so anyways. I think that before. This episode becomes a total trainwreck. I'm going to call it a day. So in the future they will probably be segments. There were probably be like a kind of like how we used to do. The ten minute blitz like probably like a top three main our ideas or articles of the week and then like a discussion point. I might do a review periodically. Just because i've been kind of trying to watch some different stuff on netflix. hulu disney. Plus i've been watching for instance the mighty ducks ducks the game changers. And it's not too bad. I actually went back and rewatch the original mighty ducks in the second one and it kind of fits in with that. I mean it's the same type of motif that they've got going on. So i really enjoyed that but like i said not much else to go on this week so without further ado again. Let me know what you guys would like to talk about next week. And until next time get altered dickey with altered geeks. Speaking of interesting at there's one tonight left new affirmative.

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4.30.19 ft. Hannah Cheesman

MZNOW with Michael Zavala

42:17 min | 2 years ago

4.30.19 ft. Hannah Cheesman

"The. Warning your about to enter the world of Michael's of all I now georgeanne stood. Michaels. Avella listening to NC. This is MC now. Welcome back Lola. I'm b. Let's just recap for those who haven't heard low ever she's begun for like a year Lola just came in one day. And then just stop coming. In sounds like after we made fun of a strip club. It was a terrible bit. It was bad. Oh, well, so you fire me there was no fire back in here. No firing. We said we'll see you back in here. We said we'll see you next week. And you just never showed back up. I hit you up a Snapchat. You say anything about the show? Well, what was supposed to wait for me to say something? Did you think you got a liar? Put that back in my face the spider. Now, did you know you were fired because you did a terrible absolutely terrible bits all the time. You still here? He's been here for like three years for you. Be asleep. Doing these. He's about to go to comic con next week. And he's been new new slew of terrible bits. Famous. Going to be a Comecon comedy team Kosta. Avin kosta. I still haven't been invited. Go every. So what are you like what job do you go, and you stop showing up, and then expect them to invite you to the outings and stuff this one. Video on. This. Right. That was last year was less yard. No, she hasn't been here since like the strip club parts. Some parts. Check. So why why haven't you been here so long man, the laws of the life laws and life? He didn't really succeed in that. Right. No, not at all. Okay. So few weeks ago, she calls me, and she was like I really need to come back to the show. And you do this. I need you know, I've got my life straightened up. I'm ready to come back. And I said, I said, okay, that's fine. Like, you know, you weren't band or anything and come back anytime. They're trying to kick me out when I came over here capable for you. So you're everytime spider, get Superdrug. He's like I'm going to take Loa toe to come up, and I answer every time. Yeah. We planned today. She was supposed to come here. I even talked about how we were waiting for Lola. We started Lakers waiting for Lola. We hit her up. She didn't respond, and I said, I bet you she's in jail. So what have really did? Absolutely. You were. Absolutely. Because you know, I was show up. If I say, I'm gonna come right? You're like really excited about that came into my studio. All right. So what happened? So what happened was? There was any. And of course, I it was the wrong studio came to see you. I just wanted to stop by say. No it didn't happen here. I had to go all the way to into a different studio and long story short. I was you know, doing my thing. And was that me? What part using during the same my mouth. Oh, of course, my mouth. Nah. I was. It was I was doing a little too much drinking. Underestimated, you know, my drinking and driving. Got pulled over woke up in jail. So you'll ever remember getting covering? That was covered in bruises. Bruce felt like I was dragged. It was such an eventful beat you up. Exactly. 'cause being black in America. Sandra Bullock on ES. I made it out. It wasn't. It wasn't the fact that you were probably drug. You're stumbling. It was the least police brutality facts nothing. You don't remember anything except for waking up in jail that has nothing to do nothing to do with it. I woke up seeing that silver toilet. And I knew my life with. Yeah. You. A long time. Oh, gosh. No. So while I was telling me she was trying to explain the somebody in jail about Hymie. Yes. Yes. I do. It was a man he wasn't a drunk team. Yeah. He was. I know how were saying. Put the women and the men and getting they do. Junk tank was lit, but. The dog caught up. I'm gone. I'm out radio. Ooh. Yeah. Buggy caught up anything. I'm going to say you good bit Eric's. Hide something in your car. We're not gonna tell you what it is never gonna call the police on you miss go on the dam little purse full of weed. Where? Whereas. Off his apprentice apprentice, so you don't know how long it's been in there which. Doc. We don't drive around with it in there. Yeah. Don't even locked up. Take my son home no Moscow over there. And now. So next week. We're doing what's in hymies car. Police. Fun. A little dime. Nothing's too big. Alexis in there. Body. Magic. Driving down the road with. Join the drug meal. He's headed from Mexico. It's okay. All no, man. What is this? What is this dead body doing the back of her body? She wakes up. How did that get big bodies? Oh, my ex and they would be MAC as Lexi Lexus. Does she? Joyous. Ooh. No. She loved Ali already seen joy audio. You went around. Jail. They'll model. Hey watch. Model for the jail system. You know? Jumpsuits to see some more. Come to to the twerk Mus jail jail. How long were you in jail for the out? Oh, yeah. As only one but like come on. Now, I'm black in America. It's expensive to be black. Nick that was in and out for like I was in there for one day got out for like two weeks and went back for like four days. Did you really? Yeah. Why? This ain't the only issue. I have. Okay. So I you had a lot of issues. So my old the new the new issues caught up with my own issues. And there was like you can't be doing that. You know? So they made me sit. So. And is what it is. And it sad. Because now I'm just used to it. I'm like where my flops where we eating today. Did you see Alexis name on the wall? No. But I've seen a whole bunch of eggs in grape jelly. Nasty owed him baloney sandwiches. On table. A virus? But the good thing. Let us have. Oh, they did. Let us have ice. Because one Dallas county this is. Yeah. Well, not is Irving, but they county. County county. Yeah. They had. They let us have is that way if you wanted like a little cold drink or something you can at least go luxury in the toilet. People were put in a bag and put it on toilet to make make a cool like smoking. They give you don't worry about find out when you get there. But has questions you'll find out. We don't wanna go back. The only time I wanna go back when I want to cuddle with a friend Brank on. Nobody knows what you're talking about. No. Air. Witch-hunter background. I want to remind I know what you're talking about is the name. The name. Ben hills. Yeah. Why don't you wanna die? All right. All right back. All right. Dot. I call on one eight eight m z live five aware. What are you win? No, that's that's way too expensive. But thanks for calling. So that was our first caller on one. At one eight six nine five four eight three. I don't listen to the show because I'm joy it. I listened to the show because he pays me too. There's other things that rather be doing skiing playing soccer with Sri Lankans sunbathing and shark watching off the shore Scott avenue for Airbus trying to grab fleeting cloud in my grasp. But sometimes you have to go four. In order to go back. Sometimes you have to go left. Before you go, right. And sometimes you have to listen to it loud in order to to itself. Because of your inspiration. I can now say one phrase as Ray Romano. No enough. The foot me on the spot now. No, we're not going to my parents house. You hear the applause behind me right now. This is m z now. Hey hannah. How're you doing? I'm really good. Thanks. How are you? Good. Good hate. So I'm always respect people who can sit down at a computer and write something from beginning to end and not give up because I would give up right away. And then see it to production to see that happen. That's I have my stamina's. So limited two pages on dying Derek at the project. I doubt it. He's got a radio program. I know. But yeah, I have other people that right for me. I don't have to. I just come in and talk. Yes, totally I feel but you co created a web series called whatever Linda, and when you hear web series, you think, oh, it's kind of a low budget type thing and not that it's not any good. But you think low budget, maybe shut on an iphone when you look at the trailer and the episodes for whatever, Linda, it's so great like you guys didn't skimp on anything. It's amazing. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. I mean, I have to agree. I think it's pretty. Choice project. I'm very very proud of it for sure it is something that ran for one season. And then I read something I don't know how true this is was from the internet. But I read something about the fact that it was it's in production for another TV show or movie. Yes. So it's actually it's crazy. If had such a long life cycle even off that first season. So we so we did that I season. And you know, we really did what so much work into the production. And and making sure that head didn't just look and feel like a classic web series shot in an iphone or something. And so like the quality of it. And I think also the talent of all people involved really meant that it it it really did change some of my career. I think put me on the map in a different way, the writer and creator, and even though I and also as an actor because I'm I starting it. But I like to joke that that's because on the lowest hanging fruit projects, right? You're available right for your own project. I'll twist my arm. So so basically, we we've gone through a long process of this where we actually were in development with the Mark Gordon company prior to this. But we've after a lot of different decision making rounds because it's been a few years since then we are now into it with Canadian 'cause we we shot it and made it up in Canada. And we're now in development with bell, which is one of Canada's major networks as well as the producer show runner of orphan black and the the show runner of the forthcoming TNT, re do superior serpent as a TV show on in his name is Graham Minton, so he's sort of helming this with us and a string it along into an hour long TV show. So that's me. And it's so cool. And trust me. I hope very very deeply that it happens because I really do believe in the in the project and also. Because it's like that's taking the web series. That's taking everything I've made to date and really bringing it to a new level with like su- serious. Not just heavy hitters, but talented people, you know. Yeah. So we'll find out in the next little while where exactly that's gonna land. But it says one process TV making absolutely. And what an accomplishment right from the from the creative side of sitting down coming up with an idea writing at manifesting it essentially right now, you're you know, a year or so away from seeing it on TV. How cool is that? I I it's so it's so cool. Like, if it if it all pans out in that actually happens. Let's do another interview in a year's time and talk about how that feels I'm gonna I'm putting it on my calendar right now, I'm gonna ask Syria in a year. So we'll do that. Okay. Yeah. Let's talk about Star Trek, and I'm a huge Star Trek fan. And so when they are now seeing a few years ago that they were going to do another Star Trek series of first since I guess, it was enterprise, which was I don't know ten years ago or so. I got really excited, by the way. You are first discovery cast member on this show. So far, I've interviewed somebody from every integration of the show except for enterprise and the discovery, and then you're the first one from this country. So congratulations, you can put that on your Hanky and a little Facebook profile. You're my space header, whatever you want, the big accomplishment. Thank you going on my mice bay. There. You go. Yeah. And put us your top eight if you don't mind, okay? Will you fan of Star Trek before you sign up because you signed on for season two the character that you've played was around since the beginning. But you kind of took that character until the end and were you a fan before you got the call saying, hey, you're in Star Trek discovery now. So yeah, I actually was and I was through the ages like I grew up watching not only the original Star Trek like shattner Star Trek, but as a kid, but also like the next generation a huge part of my child and growing up, and it was something that we all watched as a family together. And and my first crush was actually number one. So really came into Joe hasn't Reicher story. Yes. Our Jonathan Frakes William writer. Yeah. And as you should. Remember? You know? But yeah, I mean, even when so all to say that I definitely had and I watched Voyager and deep safe nine, but I certainly had a lot of preamble leading up to even the audition, you know, and and then moving into watching discovery like it was on such a grand scale. It was like nothing ever really seen before with Star Trek. So stepping onto set and knowing I was part of this massive show was was I already a big fan. I was already likes more at the fact that I was getting it didn't even make sense, you know, like my sister, and I talked because we were both my sisters a bigger trek. Even I am both were Trekkies growing up. And so it was just a real head. Check to be like is this actually happening now. Yeah, it was a it was a a really and truly one of those moments where you're like, okay. I'm a fan. And now I'm going to be a character that other people might be a fan of on the same show. It was wild. That's so cool. And you and you got the coolest looking character to area. Who how hard was that make up the put on like how many hours take the put on by the end? We actually the prosthetics team. Who are? I mean, you know, total a game. Prosthetics people. They and I got down to about two hours. That's not bad. I would be called that's bad getting into more or less getting into uniform to so we really got down to a science together. But but admittedly, like, it's not comfortable. You know, it's not like, it's it's it's one of those masks because like Lou it directly to your skin like some of the masks have some more breathing room or space between you and the actual prosthetic. But this one's like flush with your skin who onto it and remove its if it's an operation, you know, it was quite the unexpected. Reality. It was wild and be interested. The most interesting part about that that I didn't expect which I wonder about with other prosthetics actors is is not that I consider myself a prosthetics actors, you know, it more and more with Seifi. It's like becoming a reality of actor step into the weirdest thing. I found was walking onto set and realizing that it's not just something that goes over your faith. Also, completely changes the way that everybody sees you and interact with you and knows you, you know, all of these cues that we grow up as human beings, which allow us to enter and understand who person is you know, that was completely erased from from from me. So it was interesting distancing effects between me and my other players. But also myself like it really did on the one hand was kind of alienating. But on the other hand, it also really loud me to step into the role. That's so cool. Yeah. I was what have guys discovery launched? I was one of those guys that you know. How could he do this to my Star Trek? I had all these opinions and they're doing this all wrong. I was that guy. Right. And then seizing two. They started to turn the ship around. No pun intended. They really started to get some stuff that. I thought was like, okay, I approve like who am I? But I'm professional TV watcher. I know what I'm talking about. Watch a lot of Netflix. But no one of the things I really thought they got right. Was the fact that like season one we didn't really focus on the crew. Right. And I think that Star Trek is an on samba show. It's about you know, it's not just about Kirk and Spock and Bacardi and Reicher. It's it's about the entire crew and how they come together, and they work to solve the problem of the episode or whatever, and we didn't really get to know the crew so season two they really started a point episodes certain crew members, and we get to learn a lot about him and your episode in particular, we learned all about your a lot about you anyway. And then at the end, you're gone. It was so cool though to know like who is this person wire than in this robot suit? And then in the end you on my giving they way, but you know, what? I mean, you know, what happens? Right. You were there. But but yeah, I think that was so cool. How they did it out of all the characters and season two. I think yours is the one I connected to the most because we really got to see the beginning middle end of of who this character was. Yeah. I mean, I I I have to say when I read the script, and I was told like a few episodes prior. What was roughly just that? I don't wanna give anything away. But people probably seen it by now. So just what was going to the fate of my character wasn't that in that mode? And but when we sat down and read it through the table read the strength of the writing it was just banana good. I do understand what you mean when you say, you know, the first season south a little bit bumpy. You know, the bit of bumpy ride and I feel like in the second season. When when the the whole show began to really find it the and and fly, you know, I think it really rose to a moment. A peak moment if I may humbly say so for they the episode where area m- featured because like everything every level was so great. The writing was fantastic. I mean Jonathan was fantastic director, and the what ends up on screen is amazing. And that includes like the costume the makeup, and you know, the performances too. I really I'm incredibly proud of that episode. And and I knew as we were making it that. This was something epic that episode was up and also getting an eye into a character who was actually quite popular within I the the whole season in a series. But also just for the fans like people were really curious about her. She is doing and why she is the way she is. So I think on the one hand it really served the the the audience that they're looking for. But on the. Other hand, it was an interesting choice to take away this this unusual and unique character, you know, it was like high stakes all round young. You know, do you think that there's a chance at your character may return, I feel like in this covering nobody really dies at least not yet. I do you think that you have an opportunity to come back and replay this character. You know, I think what I can tell you is that I have no idea. And I wish I like I really do some hint because because people will say something whether that the writer producer, but then somebody else will say something else completely contradictory. And and you know, and they really are smartly. I think and protecting whatever it is that they're deciding to work on, you know, mill the writers were really happy with my work. I got some great feedback from everybody for sure, but whether or not it'll fit into the canon, you know, her return, really like, I can hope, but I really can't. I don't know. I know as much as you if. They allow me. I will write the episode where you come back. It's very easy. I know how to do it. I've already figured it out. So I got it if they're having problems with that, I'll help them out. But. Did you see the finale, by the way, did you enjoy it? Yeah. I saw. So we were super lucky. We got to do a screening in a cinema here in LA to watch. Yeah. To watch both back to back and the last episode, and I mean, again, like, this is my opinion. And I know that watts of Trekkies and fans have different opinions. But I think that it was again such a grant like to fill it really was feature film quality. And I thought they tied up all of the strings amazingly. Well, I mean, so deftly such good craftsmanship. I think it does leave an interesting and exciting questions where they go the jump into the future and have to create -ment highly new world. I definitely think they have a they have a lot on their hands in terms of what they need to create next. They literally wipe the slate clean. And now they have a blank canvass, whatever they want, which I think is so cool creatively? It's that's amazing. You know? Yeah. Now, where do you think let's say you never play area again? But what do you see your son? You're now part of trek, Laura. Right. You you. You're now part of this history. Where do you see yourself? Do. You see yourself going these conventions? Are you going to start going have you gone to these conventions? Right. I I haven't gone yet. And I I am getting a an appearance of manager. So 'cause I would love to be a part of should he's. Yeah. You know, like I so he's actively going out on my behalf. So I hope to be a part of it. Because I think that's now just such an exciting part of this. I fi- world and to and genre world the apart. Of that, Comecon culture. And also, frankly because if I'm not going to be back on the air with discovery, it is a way to keep connected with my cast mates who became close to there. Really fantastic bunch of people. And that's not just me saying that. So I mean, like, I would I hope to and I hope to see people at conventions very soon. Do they have like people who are like in one frame of one Star Trek episode and they have a booth set up. So I think you're safe. I think you can go there and a ton of money, and you could do this for the next thirty forty years, but I can say is that just like the cast has been so welcoming entered the second season, you know, I have to say like every because everyone's so supportive. I have started to just like because I write interact as as you know, I've just started to to talk to some of them about like, maybe shadowing on a on an episode like shadowing, the director that side of track or something certainly an interested in thing in the family in some capacity because it was such an awesome experience. Yeah, I'm looking for John rooting for you. I want you to be a part of it. Maybe like you said, you can direct something one day Jonathan does. So that's that's great. But you just did you just do a movie? So yeah, not Star Trek related. Not Star Trek related. Yes. I wrote and co directed my first feature links on that is now available in Amazon we made it two years ago, but we only were in festival year ago because the products long, but yeah. So the good news is now viewable not just in in festivals. So that's doable on Amazon worldwide and in Canada on something called crave. TV? And if this story about a woman who leaves her husband to be and goes on this wild party, weekends and skates. The life that she committed herself to, but it ends up being like, a it's it's a drama, and it's a it's about her and her the strange sister coming together over the death of their mama few years ago, but it set in Miami. Like, we shot it in Miami in Toronto and at art Basel Miami. And it's like, right, and colorful, and rich and character driven story with a lot of. I mean, it's I think it's a tiny micro budget film. I think it's actually a. Pretty great strong piece of work. So I'm going to go see it will in just the fact that you can sit down write something and then manifest into the movie or wherever it was supposed to go the destination. It reached it. I think is so cool. Like, I said because I can't ever do that. And I respect people who can and fulfill that that dream, so we're can we find out more about you know, you said you had my space, but you an Instagram Facebook. What do you website? I I'm on Instagram quite steadily. Am I mean, they're Hanash Vam H and H S H as Ed or the AM and on Twitter just Hannah Cheesman and also you can find me at Hannah Cheesman dot com. And if you wanna see a really wacky character, I do on Instagram. It's called morning person. Pretty insane. I've seen as a great have you, really? That's so good. I love that. You did that so good? It's an R N G P R and like morning person. But no bells. So check it out. Awesome will Hannah thank you so much. I know you got things to do pre sheet you taking the time to to talk to us. And we look for to see what you later on in the future. Thank you so much so nice to chat with you. Bring thing pudding thing. You're listening. Michael's Vala like us on Facebook at Facebook dot com forward slash M Z now. Sorry. I'm having problems the clock here is that a new bumper thing. Now, we've had a long time. We just have a driver. That's what it is. Well, it definitely got my. Oh. Oh. Mary chris. All right. So it's a fischel adventures in. Oh, man has cheers adventures. The adventure the adventure. Ventured benchers. The adventures in game has. Like the highest opening weekend of any movie. It's one billion dollars something crazy like that one billion dollars. I don't know what's going on. I went to the drive in all the screens with stone adventures. And you know, I thought I was late, but they had to the point where this screaming fill up, and this was trying to get into this drive in to my way, down the whatever forty five and. Yeah. And I'll tell you what when I got him because it was already showing right, Dan. We didn't highway. Yeah. We've done this. Maybe fifteen minutes hail Naw Ted on this green. And they'll drive around. If they had like four screen bordering, and they build this went out, and then as those coming to affiliate up, they started, and they filled it out, and then they started. Nobody miss nothing thought, I miss them. Because the way starts, you know, high star saying. I'll tell you about my experience. Hey, hang on one hundred percent, no spoilers and I had to make. Forehand to not spoiling if anybody can spoil it. It's going to be me. I went to go see this movie, and I'm not a big fan of marvel movies and things like that. I've talked about this for a long time. But I do like some I do like doctor strange like guardians galaxy. I like iron man because Iran is Robert Downey junior. And I think he's the only reason why. That was a moral that was DC. So, but yeah, I like all those movies like even even atman. So I do like that. I just don't like the ventures movies. I think they're just too long. There's too much going. It's just too many character. It's now there was like four or five of injure movies. It's twenty two movies eleven years for everything. And they all tell this incredibly long story that probably going to be told. But anyway, so I didn't like I didn't like Infinity war because I thought it went onto long, and I it just like everyone that dies or disappears or whatever they will have a movie coming out in like a year or so. Right. So you know, they're gonna come back. So my whoa, what's all this about? So anyway, I went in very low expectations. I enjoyed it. It was a good. I watch. I give it at eight point five point five is only because. Yeah. The point five is only because it's three hours long, and it doesn't feel like three hours long. There are some scenes where it's like come on. Hurry up. You get it. You know that kind of thing. But overall I felt like it pays really well. And it it flowed. Really? Well, so anyway, I don't know what happens before the avengers title screen like that ten minutes before. I don't know what happens because guess what? I didn't see it. Because the people that I was with the sided they need to get snow. Axe after we had just arrived from dinner neck. It's not even driving. This is this a real. Yeah. And so I'm like, what do you need snacks for we need? There's a long line everybody. We just we literally eight five minutes. What do we need snacks? Tickets. Oh well. Here's your ticket. And so they're in line for snacks. And I'm just watching number one. Where to who theater? Right. No, doesn't that a place? You know, I actually don't know where it is. Exactly. It is north Dallas area. And and it's the reason why go that I found it about a year ago. And if everyone is sold out that theater, guaranteed will always have tickets, and they're cheap and the seats recline all the way back, and the only downside is it's a little bit in hood. Right. Yeah. At an expense. That's the that's the expense. You have to kind of put up with that. But it's not a big deal. I grew up in theaters. I was fine with it. You know? Yeah. It's cinema. There's no skin no skin Amax. I don't know where I don't know what it's called. I had to get there. I only go there for every you know, if a movie sold out, so we get there. We got our tickets like the day before we saw it Saturday night. And I'm seeing this long line of people go into the theater, and I'm stressing out because I'm like guys how much you need snacks. We need to get our seats. Like, no our seats will be there. But we all know, we opened the who theaters. Signed season sitting seat. If it wasn't a head. Then should've brought the own snacks. Right. Exact pay my Chick-fil-A women. She's sometimes movies. Give me some really we all know at a hood theater assigned seating doesn't mean anything because people just sit wherever they want to. Right, right. Give me about my exact. So I'm okay, I'm stressed now. Keep telling these people we need to go right now. You don't need these snacks. Aren't you guys on a diet, eleven o'clock? We don't need any of this stuff. Stat right? The movies snack. So finally, they get their snacks. There's no more line. Everyone's theater, and they keep saying don't worry, Michael their seats. Are there? The seats are whatever we're good. We have assigned seating walk into the theater. Guess what? You didn't have no sign. We didn't have no seats. So I go up and got me somebody who doesn't like confrontation Esco spoken Spanish, if no these people were black people. There's a lot of black Amax. But I the line. Here's what happened. So I came in. And I excuse me, sir. I think I think these are seats. And of course, the guy gets he's not frustrated me, but he gets really frustrated at the situation. Why would they sell two tickets for the same c-? He no good. Right. He knows what he's doing this point. I don't know. So let me show you my ticket. So take it. I look at it. And he's right. He's got the same seat som- like, well, maybe this really is a crazy misunderstanding civil hang on. Let me go talk to the ticket booth or whatever. So I go I leave the meanwhile, we've already laid we walked in the movie already started we already missed the previews. I don't know what's going on. So now missing even more of it. So I go to the ticket people. And I'm like, listen, these guys are in our seats. They have a ticket with these seats the seat number's on there. These are the we had the same seat. So we on the wrong theater like what's going on? Because I got it, sir. I think I know what's going on. What happens is people go in they buy a ticket online. They print it out. They. Re- refund the ticket. They return they get the money for but the tickets still print it out and they use that. And they don't really scan them there at the so. So it's a scam deal. So I'm like, okay. She goes, I'll do the handle. So she walks. She and I'm walking away of behind because I don't want anything to do with this. Right. So and there's a cop standing there. And she's like, hey, Fred, I'm gonna need you here in a few minutes. And I'm like can you come with us like, yeah. Back here in the hallway bring them with a few minutes. Trump the black people in jail. He they are. I'm not that. I just wanna see the movie it is they're to hear. Hey, explain the GAM Hymie. Does this all the time? That's why he's. With this. I thought scan one no why would I scam? Wait. Right. I wouldn't why wouldn't you scam? Any tickets? My own stuff. He looks. Face Mexican heritage Middle Eastern eastern, right? My mystery flavor. Question. Mark. Questions me when I buy all her stuff. But do those ticket right? Don't try to put this on me go. She scams ticket just to defend myself. The lady does scan my ticket. And she goes, you're good, sir. There's a problem with their tickets. So she goes up there. And so I'm walking way far behind because I don't want anything to do. So she goes into the theater we both walk in. And I stay on the very bottom level. I don't go up the stairs. Where we're sitting. I don't wanna know action. Right. So I'm I hear the commotion going on. Why would they sells these tickets? I'm just trying to wait till they leave the theater, and then I go to my seat and be done. I don't have to listen in in the human ecosystem of things pray. You're on the bottom line. I'm like a rabbit, right? I got is on the side of my head. And right now, I'm still recovering from a broken leg. So I'm not as agile. Tried. We were walking across the street today. And I was like dude the cars will slow down your gim. He's like, I don't really look like I have a limp anymore. Do I was like, no you don't. Now now on though. Pimple? But anyway, but. I'm like, but I'm not as agile agile as quick as I normally am I'm still in this healing process. So I'm a little I don't wanna put myself in the situation where I might have to move quickly. Sentence. Well, if I'm running from dogs or something when I'm used that. All right. So anyway, so the the lady I hear on the big commotion going on. I'm just trying to. I'm like, maybe they won't see me if I'm down here. Now trying to piece together when I'm missing this movie. I it's too much of this guy. Get here. What happened how did this happen? And and then I hear sir, sir turn around. And she's like, it's it's good. So you can come up to me one of these guys haven't gone down yet. So I've got a pass them on the stairs. Yeah. So now, I'm like, oh, no, it's it's come up. You can come up. A little bit. No, come on up your good. And meanwhile, these guys are all grumbling and stuff, you know, getting to you. And you know, whether I was in the right, but it's still my fault. It absolutely right. So I'm like, it's not your they're mine. Sure is they're they're fall. So I go up. I now I'm passing them on the stairs. Again, stares my strong point at this point. So I'm walking up carefully. And I'm like if I got to make a quick jump on. I'm gonna do. I'll break the other way this hotter. How my life alert my finger on. So the gonna lie. The guys are coming down the stairs. And the first thing. I'm so sorry, guys. I'm so sorry. I didn't put in the whitest voice. I have I'm so sorry. Didn't mean this is a big as a here's some money. Go get here. Let me buy your tickets for you. But I was like I'm so this first words of my mouth. They're like, no, no, bro. No. You're good, man. We're site. It's not your fault is their fault for giving us Ron ticket. They put the wrong date in our tickets. So what happened was they bought tickets for tomorrow? Right. The next showing and then they just use those tickets to get into the day today. So they knew what they were doing. But they just made it seem like, hey, you know, they they put the wrong date on the ticket scamming thing, they still scammed it, but they just did a different way because it was sold out. But what was I to do? Scam. That's a fitness. That's a finesse. You gotta say movie. The next day. Right. I don't know. I didn't he didn't go down about. If it wasn't like refunded. And it was then they should to the next day. Try to sneak him for it was sold out because they had that seat number on. And what was I they're going to intimidate me me and Jim? Hey. Now, I went to I went to the black manager. Cost. And I said, ma'am, that's call. You should've used your broken leg to advancing more all these handicaps dress. Yeah. All this. The handicapped. So now, I don't know. I didn't know I got the one that highest on the stairs. Right. Yeah. So anyway, so they they leave and it was all good. I feel good. I'm like these guys are gonna be waiting. I sat down I would say, and then I realized and that's when the adventures four title screen pops. And you know, you miss at least fifteen twenty minutes of the movie because that's the whole first thing. And then they the first, you know, backed one I dunno whatever go see it again because driving is dark outside. And most of them movie was off. We couldn't see what's going on those school TV. This project. Yes. I definitely probably. Place for ten years. If it's a dark movie like say, you went all, okay. Yeah. They're just they're projectors. That are just not accurate, but you can't see that good start. This movie. Sit in the parking lot smoke. Yeah. So. Yeah. So nobody spoil it for me. I'm not gonna watch it again until it comes out on Blu. Ray? I'll I missed the first ten minutes. I just told you this whole story. I want to talk about boar not. Not. It don't say don't say one thing about the movie. Okay. I'll tell you talk to me about it. But don't talk about anything about it. I can tell you just go back to. No to the theater for the first two minutes into exactly what the I don't care that much. Wasn't that great of a movie ticket couldn't see from Adam enough of this chaos? Chaos war here we will back next week. We'll see. This is MC now online at MC now dot TV like fun. Facebook at Facebook dot com forward slash MC. Now.

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589: Gargoyles: Awakening, Parts I-V

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589: Gargoyles: Awakening, Parts I-V

"This Gargoyles Library. I'm your host Dan Moore and welcome to the first episode of this brand new podcast on the incomparable in which we're going to talk about out the Disney show gargoyles which debuted in nineteen ninety four. I've assembled an excellent panel of people who are interested in talking about this very. I'm fine animated television series with me. Are Cathy Campbell. Hi Kathy Hi Dan how are you. I'm great thanks for being here. Thanks for having Avenue Glenn. Fleishman is here. Hi Glen Well you an excellent panel and also me thank you for having your Shannon's other is here as well Shannon Less that not be enough. We've two southerners chips on earth is also here. Hi Chip. Don't you see Dan. None none of this would have happened if it weren't for you. That's probably true. I Apologize I Apologize Rally and rounding out our panel. My good friend Mr Tony Sandler. Hi Tony Hi. What what sorcery is that? Something that was in my notes. I know so. I'm asking you which each type of sorcery Tony Necker. Mitzi who knows citation needed these chapter titles and all right so so we are kicking off this new series by talking about the five episode arc. That begins this show which is entitled awakening but first before we delve into that. We're GONNA talk a little bit more. Broadly about the series. I will say that I saw this when it first aired in nineteen ninety four I remember. I'm pretty pretty sure I watched it at the house of a friend of Mine Antonis and the he and I watched it together and I remember seeing commercials for because I watched a lot of the other Disney afternoon stuff that this was packaged with and this was also one of my earliest memories of a show that I engaged in the Internet to try and figure out like when new episodes were coming on I was actually on a mailing list. I think it was a first mailing list. I was ever on which actually like sent out messages when it's like. Oh there are new episodes because it was so hard to figure out in that day and age when things were repeats and when things the new episodes This show had a big impact on me not only as a writer and a storyteller but also just like it got me interested in things. I read more Shakespeare because of this show I specifically read the play Macbeth because of this show for reasons that become apparent later on so I this is this show. What leads to you being an English major quite possibly you probably draw pretty clear line? Yes so this one. This was a big impact on me. I think it's a wonderful also. It's very unlike a lot of the other stuff. That was airing at the time. And that's why we are. We are not quite at the twenty fifth anniversary. I think that's actually next year. But we're pretty close so you know we'll consider this sort of grandfathered in along those lines so let's go through and see what you guys your experience with the show as a whole how you can't find it et Cetera CETERA. Kathy how did you first encounter gargoyles very similar to you. In fact I was a big Disney afternoon. Fan and this show Oh in particular Is One that so I was twelve twelve when it came out and it was one of the few shows was that my brother and I would ask to watch together like we would enjoy watching it together and then we also would proceed to I. I guess you could kind of think. Fan Fiction E as in like we would take blankets and wrap them around our shoulders to pretend to be our wings to to go flying around the back yard Guess that twelve. 'cause I am Yes. So it had an impact impact on like my relationship with my brother because we would fight over What other shows we would watch but if gargoyles was on we we both would one hundred percent agree on that and I don't think we actually saw so re watching these first five episodes? I think I may have seen in one or two of these five but So the very very beginning was kind of new to me and it was very exciting to Kinda get that refresher her course and actually get the full story. Because I growing up I never really knew shows came on a schedule And it was always just reruns ends in my brain and so learning when I was probably my twenty S. That shows came out new was really exciting. Yeah I mean even more where I think the other shows of this era. There were also notable. I'm thinking of you know Tony's done allows talking about Batman. The inmate series Gargoyles had a much more linear progression. Like the story. He is sequential right things. Early episodes affect things that happen and later up SOS which was not the case with most animated series at this time. So Yeah I can understand saying that being weird too. 'cause like wait a second. The story is not over it continues next week. I have to wait again. That's rough. That's rough Glen. You'RE GONNA put this delicately older. I'm curious to know because in my ear horn. I'm curious no because I know Kathy Myself. Tony I think we were probably all like in the teenage years when we watch this. I'm curious how you you came across this. Explain Yourself. Glenn what's wrong with you. And why are you child. Shouldn't holding point. I'm I'm I watched this during ritual run because back in the nineties everyone recalls. It was hard to watch things again because unless they showed up on television again. or You could program your VHS VHS player. I think I may have recorded this on. VHS VHS to watch the evening as my suspicion. After I worked my job thing I no longer have Ralph not related. Probably you probably. You probably didn't put you out of a job no I I remember watching. This comes off my love of Batman the animated series. He's even though it's very different and the animation style say upfront. It is pretty course compared to Batman series and even some of the things at the time they really did skin game like I enjoy plot a fair amount of dialogue specification all that but anyway. So I'm sure it was because I'd watch Batman the animated series where they think was off the air a new episode by the time this came on is that right. It sounds pretty close to overlapped a little bit. But there's the Oh wait actually looking at the Internet right now but I remember. I pretty sure I watched the original run. I I know it was rerun at times but I don't I know how much so allies episodes familiar and I have a recollection of like. Isn't it. Funny that you forget what technology used twenty years ago. I would come home because I certainly wasn't home like three in the afternoon. I guess I would come home from a job that was away from my house and use my VHS player which I've been correctly programmed to watch later. That's my suspicion at at least But I found it. I had the same reaction to like. I say many ways to Batman the animated series in that thing I loved about that man was how quiet it was how often they are willing to take a pause and have very spare animation and have no dialogue but advance things with like really neat elements and while it wasn't a perfect show. It was really great and in this show. I thought Gosh even in these I I mean there's some stuff in this first five parter but there's always throughout the best. I step aside the show sense of not just moral ambiguity of like. What exactly is the right thing here? Who who's in the is there somebody in the right? Here's here's everybody in the wrong glide is seen as moral center and yet he often makes decisions without enough information so he makes what are wrong choices enough to rectify it so oh I thought it was complex enough even though the plots and things are sometimes very simplified or simplistic You know also having lived in new haven in the late nineteen eighty s into early nineties and my wife having lived in New York it reminds be watching this show again. I'm like Oh yeah. New York was really dangerous when they were running the show their thinking at a time. which like you get like? Oh we can't go to central park at all because we might be set by armed people. If your car breaks down in any neighborhood thugs will come not titians a multi-ethnic. Buffet usually reserved usually reserved for musicals. It's like a Michael Jackson. Gang will come and get you But I think it really did represent. I'm watching. It's a show that I think is very much in love with New York City or a certain version of it doesn't I mean there are things in the show. I even noticed that were very specific. New York Elements anyway it's Disney's pre gentrification Asian New York true. Yeah and it was. It was realistic in that sense. Because there's a lot of lines like you can have an armed band of people shooting machineguns in central park and the police lease they're not gonNA show up. Why would they bother? This is happening all the time. Yeah I think you hit upon one interesting point there too. which is that this is a very undesirable show in that is what probably drew a lot of us to it like compared to certainly a lot of the other stuff? That was airing in the Disney afternoon. I I love things like tailspin dark wing duck but like those were very. Are you traditional cartoons. This was very much a against the grain and that I think is what drew a lot of people in with beauty and the beast the TV sure. That was a few years before it with Ron Perlman. I think they're definitely aspects of the guys Wales. They they even touch upon that more directly later on to at least one episode. I think that that kind of alleged that Yeah there was actually. This show was actually originally developed as a comedy show sort of in the same in vain of Disney's adventures of the gummy bears. The gargoyles we're going to be comedic figures there were there. Were going to be wacky hijinks and I was such that Gargoyles. Yeah yeah very much so and and I think that as they were trying to break the stories they were trying to sell the story They kept getting into roadblocks and they saw the success of Batman the animated series Especially in awakenings. There are moments where the animation feels. It's much more Disney then action adventure. I'm thinking about The character who will become known as Broadway sniffing the algae augie in the rookery. And he'll just looks like a Disney character and that sort of fades as as the series goes on over the years. But but I feel like this was a it was a complicated mix of action adventure in Disney after afternoon. And I don't know that Disney news exactly what to do with it. Even though the show runner Greg Weisman I think clearly did and it turned into it. It turned into a cult favorite. All right with good. With good reason I think Shannon how about you how did you first encounter the show chip and I sort of fell into it together and ship feel free to jump in but I remember vividly one thing. That sort of got US interested is Hearing about it as it was about to come on some of the voice actors that they had the Jonathan frakes marina certes and Michael Dorn all of these star Trek next generation actors. They're all doing this project. Hey okay that sounds interesting. And let's see what's up and of course once. We started watching an interesting story line. The kind of continuity we as as we kept watching the kind of continuity and attention to that that we fell in love with watching Babylon five which is a show that relies incredibly heavily on the continuity. You can't just watch an episode here or there and jump in kind of and Gargoyles in especially later seasons turned into that. If you haven't been watching previous seasons you wouldn't know what the hell is going on relied on that previously on and that works for me. I love love complicated stories. I love stories that get into details. GET INTO CHARACTER ARCS. All of these different characters have journeys and you know once onset had my attention it kept it chip you anything you want to either. I just remember when we get into this specific miniseries. I vividly remember missing the first few minutes of the first episode so when I sat down in front of the television. It's not it. It's the year nine ninety four and I didn't know that this was going to catapult into the future until the end of the episode and they go to an and they show the opening credits late because they didn't want to give away the store and I'm like wait. That's a helicopter yeah I. I'm actually really glad that I missed that. Because that moment of surprise was magnificent. Didn't know they had helicopters ninety four eighty Revisits visit must be some kind of dragon. Tony How `bout you Dan we're similar age and thus are stories a similar. This was part of that block of stuff that you could watch in the afternoon when you were a kid. I was in junior high when this was coming on and you know I was I was. It's the kind of kid who would go for the right. Thank you very much Look I didn't hear your story old Guy Watch a a sizeable block of television while doing my homework work until dinnertime. And I think that block adjusted over the years but Batman. The animated series definitely cornerstone. Gargoyles was another big cornerstone on the next generation. reruns would were a big part of that. So those were I think other Disney afternoon stuff probably most notably dark wing dock. Were big parts of that. This was one of the really big ones And I think some of it was just it. Is this kind of inbetween. Is this a kids cartoon or is it something darker more serious with more a complex storytelling just watching these first five episodes it is. It's interesting where it's like sometimes feels like a kids cartoon and I can see the like the Disney. The afternoon influences and sometimes it's a lot spookier and a lot more complicated. They still pull their punches. A lot with the depictions of violence right like there's a lot of fights in these first five right up besides but there's never violence and there's a lot of like laser guns and just kind of explosions blasting people you know here and there But but yeah I I think this this grabbed me right away as something. That was kind of not necessarily geared directly for younger kids. When there wasn't a lot of that on the era back then there would be a lot more as you know cartoon network would would come and build up a giant empire? You'd have more animated shows on comedy central and things like this but this was this was. Was this early in between thing. What are the things I I would note about it? And this may maybe comparison to to the gummy bear shows here and there. I feel like there's a lot of teenage teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. DNA gargoyles. It said in New York. There's the one human female character who's going to help the weird monsters pitted and navigate things They live in New York but they're outsiders. There are only four types of teenagers and as you know they are Mopey nerd hungry and boy scout. I guess Voltron uses the same formula because yeah that's how that networks but I don't know I I've always very much into this show and the definitely it was a tricky show to have as something that just aired every weekday. When you have these longer plot arcs right? I mean the premier for this you would have had to watch five days in a row at the same time every day and if you missed it you missed a pretty important chunk chunk of the story. Yeah Yeah that was definitely a tricky tricky proposition. I want to point out one tiny thing. which is that? This show has a lot of mythology but it doesn't explain much much and I kinda love that there's like what are gargoyles. Why do they become stone when the sun rises? How does this magic work? Are they vigorous other other very few females relative to nail. Where are the you know the eggs? There's a lot of questions that don't make any sense. But then they do things like this and I highlight is my wife because I thought that was super clever. She's like can't you fly back up. He's like no no. I can only glide. I'm like Oh my God. What a great choice and it affects the entire show instead of making it simple simple? They obviously already have a ridiculous wingspan to volume ratio in could not really glide probably very well however. They didn't go to the thing like well. They have enough power they can fly back up. I thought this this is a brilliant constraint. So super large amount of what they're backstory's not mentioned at all we can't even infer it and they have great little technical details like that that work their way into the show and I kind of appreciate the didn't have well. Let's go back to the origin of Gargoyles Caveman. Time thing so a lot of questions about author mass when they're turned into stone. It's magic. Don't worry just relax. This week's this'll curious about the eggs leads into something that you know talking about this. I five part art Miniseries opening which I think works really. Well which is as Glennon saying like the rules are Kinda given up front we get a lot. It's very economical in terms of like what what is happening. We don't always get the why but the fact that they do turn to stone during the day You know is one of the things that set up right at the front and it makes for interesting constraints needs for these creatures right because not only does it mean they are vulnerable during the day when no one is like they are not awake so they can be essentially smashed but it provides an interesting dynamic with some of the characters the human characters around them especially. I'm thinking of the fact that that later in this series in the in this Five episode Ark Goliath doesn't want to tell Lisa like why that they're vulnerable right. He is he is worried about betrayed again and so when she finds out and we see it through her eyes. It's genuinely startling. Even though we know it's it's going to happen because we sort of get the perspective from her of like what the hell does happen like that super weird so I I appreciate that like with declining thing a lot of this stuff and and the fact that the sleep heels them right like the we see to Tony's point about the violence one of the first shots Involves Goliath catching a sword and actually bleeding. Which is unusual in a cartoon eight but we also establish that then it is healed later? So it's nice and economical in the way that it sort of lays out this world and the constraints of this world also their clothing turn system for some reason which I'd love never it's never explained. It's awesome Magic Glenn imagining standards in practice. Something Else Ed missing the first couple of episodes in the in my original watch that I now discovered was the fact that they didn't come with names. Goliath was the only one named and so when I was getting ready to watch these I was like why in the world do they have New York names. I remembered distinctly. They had these names and I was like that's so odd and then to discover. Oh because they were named in the future like that makes so much much more sense but having them just be their characters without actually being named for what the first three episodes. It's a long time second. Yes it was. It was very bold choice. Because how can you say like yeah. You're being cast as a named Gargoyles the number two. Yeah I'll put that on my my like plan my schedule and yeah. I thought that is a very interesting decision to make. Also want to touch briefly on Shannon I think mentioned the the voice casting voice casting in this series is tremendous not not only because there are so many star Trek veterans. Not just from next generation. There's people from almost every show at one point or another astounding it's astounding. I was looking up at the wikipedia to remind myself and seeing some of the guest actors. That show Lloyd on people trying to remember. Now Michelle Nichols is is in there. Alan Cumming is in there like really great. Who did the voice cast as soon as we Andrea Romano but she was listed for for it? No no it's the voice directors. Jamie Thomson I'm not sure about casting. I don't remember that credit. Somebody must have new. Its fast passing and that was one of the reasons I like the show too. I think some extent is next generation was still on the air that it was just it was just on the and I was like. Oh this is great enemy. Jonathan frakes in MM particular remember. Jonathan's fix 'em reassert aside an incredibly good time and the fact that they got at Asir which my wife and I was like probably had a minute studio for like doc two hours on one day to record whole animated series to. He's clearly he clearly was available. I love the fact that he is. The only one to commit to. The Scottish accent is going to be doing yourselves finish candidate. He's old. He's he's settled in his ways. The other ones are all trying to fit in in New York Ark and are really good at that so yeah and I WANNA point out. Obviously this we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about Keith. David Goliath wiz fantastic. And and as as the anchor of this show right he really is. He's our main character. Yeah everything relies upon that performance being sort of spot on and I love how how much he commits to this. And the the what makes what so impresses me about. It is for example. If you watch these episodes in the I like the first scene I think when Lisa shows up to the tower. And everything's going to hell. The she talks to beat cop right and and that is also clearly. Keep David but it's a different mood like he's got such vocal range to go from the big Joe. Like Deep Stentorian Goliath down to these. Like I think he's one of the thugs to frankly. You can kind of hear it when you listen but yeah and then just the range of all all the other like you know professional voice actors. Who are in this too right? Like all the the most of the young Gargoyles you get like Jeff Bennett. In particular who I think does has not only Brooklyn but also in right yes. Yeah like yeah I mean think about all those characters. Those characters are totally different right lake and Person Voice them. Frank Welker does Bronx. Of course yeah so yeah yeah. Great Great Calf Clancy Brown is in the villain at at the At this moment I did not realize it. Salli Richardson like I'd never actually looked up. Who did the voice for at least a Mazda Lisa Maza and I thought she was a Elisa Zano Liza Maza Sorry Lisa she I thought I really liked that role I thought the role was generally fairly well written. And I like the voice characterization characterization and then I'm like Oh who was that anyway Mike. Oh my God she's been in a million things. It was also my favorite character on the very flawed show Eureka that I watched most of because I kind of like a lot. Some of the actors on it amazing but she was probably my favorite actor on that rule. And I'm like oh I didn't relate to the same person until I think for her particular That character and that character could be a very simple to mental character. And in the in this miniseries I think we only get a little bit of her but yeah she they do such a nice job later. On of really fleshing out her character or family or background. I like all of that in a way that also not done a lot and her action scene in central park is remarkable she. She's The star. She's The star of the show. Oh for that entire sequence and very much chip. We're your gun go. One pushy. Takes off her jacket and she's an empty holster. Goliath crashes ashes as their previous episode. Snake you remember the good but it was. Snow is beautiful. I'm like something happened to gun. This is not a mistake and I did not remember. That's what happened. That's MHM. I'm here to help and liked. I liked the fact that we have this cop that comes in and it was a female as well. I mean that was something as the young girl. There's a main character and it's a girl and she's a bad she's she's Yanic. Yeah in fact the American right and Raymond. Yeah and everybody I her to take her seriously. Yeah we we. We're there later episodes. We meet both her father and mother separately. Right right right and I think the The actress Salli. Richardson is also as like a mixed background to. Which is it's nice right like there's a mixed race character being played by mixed rates actor that was also at that point either shoes African American native American mother? The father of Italian English descent says Wikipedia. But no that was. I feel like that's unusual. I was surprised. Like Oh my God. She actually look something like is something like the character that was we are doing the voice aspect I'm guessing they probably modeled some of the character on the actress. Just given even how close those two things are not be surprised if that was the case there Sorry go ahead I was just gonNa say they modeled Keith. David serving they modeled Goliath off of Keith David to obviously under the wings and the horns in everything I do. Do you WanNa talk about some of the characters. But I'm not sure if we go through briefly go through the plot or should we just assess more broadly. How do you guys feel particular preference now? Now let's let's you abroad so so yeah so as we already sort of talked about. What's interesting about this show is that we start off very brief? We have this teaser. Caesar in the present day and then we jump back to Scotland and the premise is set up that we have this castle it is defended by the gargoyles their stone during the day. But they come alive at night so when these invading invaders like you show up and attack you know. Everybody thinks the leaders crazy. Because he's attacking you know when the when these supposedly mythological creatures are gonNA come to life. He doesn't believe it. Of course they turn out to be real and so we end up with this whole fight scene where the gargoyles really you know. Throw a boulder wait and drive people off but what they get interesting about this is we. We find that. Of course the Gargoyles are not accepted by the society the particularly really the the sort of high echelons side. We have a princess who really looks down on them. We have the Magus adviser who is also not a big fan and pretty much. What's their only ally and defenders the captain of the guard the unnamed? I always is interesting. Unnamed captain of the Guard and so we have have this sort of betrayal plot. Right where the GARGOYLES are. We have this gargoyles species where they are treated poorly and the We have somebody betraying the castle in the princess and essentially like convincing the The person who attacked to basically try their luck again at daylight. There's a whole thing with a ruse or Goliath is lured away and we find out more later about the whole sort of like sequence events therre which ends up being again fairly complex because of the the betrayer of course turns out to be the captain who is the only trust but the the fact that only a Goliath and Hudson. I mean he's the names just to be convenient was leave. The castle means that everybody else is left undefended and that we then have you know the the invaders come and essentially smash all of the gargoyles except for three young heroes. Who are hiding out in the rookie? With all the eggs and the and the dog and the dog. It's very confusing. Yeah why is the dog. A gargoyles dog be question. This magic UH rabid gargoyles. Good boy yes it just. It raises some concerning questions of parentage. And you know it's a whole Pluto goofy goofy issue to maybe. He's not a dog maybe he's just well he's he's very soft spoken. So Hi. This is Shannon made the comparison to Babylon five earlier. Another point of comparison. Here is that the Creator and Joe in showrunner of Gargoyles Greg Weisman was also fairly active online and he would painstakingly explained to you online that that that Bronx is a or goal beast not a Garg oil and there's a taxonomy here so the novelization so we have a another as the invader. Hey Con when captures the princess and we end up with this slightly awkward sort of misunderstanding. Where The Magus believes that the The princess has been killed by. Hey Con because the gargoyles showed up and so he essentially casts dispel on the younger gargoyles. Hudson that freezes them into stone even during the night Goliath goes after an saves the princess but loses his chance at revenge John. Hey Khan and is surprised to find. The captain is the person who betrayed the castle and so of course when he returns you know he he doesn't know what has happened to his friends. The MAGA's explains he's put a sort curse on them That they sleep for a thousand years or sleep until the castle was raised above the clouds and that he can't undo the spell because the pages been burned in his thome and so this is not a very good does a very good memory. Seem kind of like a poser. If I learned anything from as you say that spelled backwards and so what Goliath request that he also be put sleep their return to the castle and and that is when we jump forward and a thousand years to our quote Unquote Present Day or at least twenty five years ago and we are introduced to the very interesting character of David. Santos who I want to say is personally. I think one of my favorite characters on this entire first of all Jonathan frakes we all vandross is basically like he's like he's. He's Jerky Tony Stark. which is which is which the redundant yeah let me slightly more able to make Santos I think compelling is the fact that he is he existed he's a villain and yet he is not necessarily always villainous like he's got he's in that weird gray area and that's what I do about him as a character is that he he is at various times? Ally like a grudging ally verses actual antagonised in this case we learned that he is like heard the legend of the gargoyles. He has moved the entire castle. Lock Stock Barrel Rick Brick by brick and rebuilt it on top of his skyscraper in New New York. 'cause that's a totally the amount of effort they put into depicting how the thing was disassembled though. That was very impressive. Like there's numbers on things that are packing it up there flying away. I'm like this is a lot of effort to show. We packed up the castle and move Dave's interesting choice. Yeah it's an interesting choice into the the mega spell until the castle rises above the clouds. That's very very specific. Metaphor there It's very it must. It must rhyme in the metric language or something like every spell has to have like a clause they they've invented magic and the lawyers got got to it so it's like every every spell has to have an exit exit rate so that it Kinda leave you've ever signed the contract says in perpetuity till the end of the universe. You know that that just doesn't works. I signed contracts say that the publication owns the rights. This until my words rise above the clouds. Yeah worked very well. Chipping makes a lot of sense. If if you just consider a basic legal theory please when pigs fly right last question. Do they not consider fog clouds votes. Because I you know. Scotland fairly overcast and fog rolls in and one could argue but obviously they did not so. I wonder if it's a belief system as well. Maybe the fog came in during the day. Gargoyles was an amazing show on the Disney afternoon. That only ran and for one episode turned to the stone at the end and that was it so in our in our in present day. The gargoyles are awakened. I do love the the design of the castle on the skyscraper although it makes virtually we know senator still incredibly distinctive and it's got a lot of character we were trying to figure out where Zana's data's skyscraper fits in the New York skyline. Yeah because they do show. They show the Chrysler building a lot. They showed the empire state building. I think basically wants and so my my my my viewing partners working theory is that it's the the metlife building which in the movies is also what they made the the avengers tower prime real estate. You Really Jerky Tony Stark. Oh that's great love it. I'm here to help. I hope it's called. The eerie built the Eerie area building. Right it is called the area I think they do refer to it at some point he also I love the fact again. Nineteen Ninety S. Some strange thing I mean not quite accurate. There's like one board. Sleepy security guard guarding the elevator. Any place in the building. Yeah yeah well you know. He's very trusting. David it was it was the ninety S. There's one security guard and there's four mercenaries laser guns everywhere. You Go. Yeah Yeah it was. It was a great economy. What can we say okay interesting? We get a little bit backstory. When the guerrillas wake wake-up Santos introduces them tells them what's going on? We do. Learn the mega throwdown. The story in the xanthos has the grim Warr. We also get get they actually get asked about the the ask about the eggs in the rookery which he says are gone and the last gargoyles sort of. We'll just like asterisk. The heck out of that one but I love those down. That's what I'm saying. Look down his threes lying. Oh yes yeah I mean yeah that is also true And then we get this interesting episode where these commandos show up and basically jump in and appear to run around and steal something from Santos and and then flee again and the gargoyles sort of fight them off and Santos thanks them but we get this whole weird. That's the beginning of the first episode where we have this whole firefight and stuff like falling off the building chunks of stony etc and so we have at least. That's what draws our detective. Lisa Maza Aisa in as she comes to investigate what could leave clause in solid stone. The fight scenes are a little long for my liking. They have some nice moments in it. I I think my favorite one in here is when a evil commando throws a grenade at Lexington like tosses it aside because he doesn't know what a grenade is But Yeah at times. It's like I get it pumped punch exposing explosion. I'm trying to try to sort of give money. Honey shot to each character juggling all the different characters. I think that's part of what drove that. Yeah even ended up. We're GONNA walk. I'm never gonNA walk around the Eerie building though because man they're always like bricks and all kinds of stuff falling down like it must be like a death zone paid off a wad code inspectors on. Yeah it's it's a pretty elaborate scam That is very shaggy scam. Zana's running running in this in this story And I think that towards the end this is it's sort of where everything sort of falls apart but it's it's kids action adventure. TV and they're still finding their way and the the assault on the castle. The humor bits as the gargoyles complete fish out of water. You know It's it's a lot of fun for me. Yeah I'm willing to buy. I mean I think it establishes that he's kind of ridiculously Machiavellian And that probably this as we as we discover later this whole fight was staged by him. but I am willing to buy it that it's equal part. He's he has overly complicated evil plans. And he wants to test the gargoyles slash his own amusement to be part of the the basically the fight because he he wants to he wants to shoot a laser gun at some people it fits very well with Santos liabilities according to how Owen is informed him that shooting his own employees as Safer shooting strangers so again New York City in the early nineties so maybe dig the giant discs I really liked the giant disks or optical. Do so he stopped news opt optical discs a few years before that were like looked like giant floppies. And I think that's what they're trying to really work find that those were. We're actually magic talisman. Yeah I love. How condescending is being really like helpful? Well the debriefing. Where he's like? I need you guys to go on my commando rays and they're like. Wow you have a screen. That shows big dude. Maybe maybe these are not the guys you need to like. Go the laboratory. How are they going to find a disk? I do love Jonathan frakes delivery on your naievety is refreshing. So slimy slimy and get like it's the worst parts of Reicher right. It's the worst parts of will reicher cross Tony Stark. It is true when you have magic though and you can in you know in your in a world of magic it's all. The machinations of things are machines and screens are not quite as amazing to you probably have seen things in mirrors and and screaming ponds and things already moving tapestry so we have lisa investigate this whole bizarre firefight and Owen with Zan. Cessna's assistant tries to get rid of her but she's still snooping around. Yeah Owen is a win is a person who has not given a lot of screen time in this episode but is certainly one of my favorite characters for reasons that become later on. He's delightful and he's also just yes the delivery and his persona is fantastic. Yeah the younger. The youngest snarky Alford. You could ever imagine yes an just such a straight man such straight and very very good. Use your revelations just hilarious delirious so we have our first encounter between a Lisa and Goliath where Goliath as Tony mentioned. Crushes lease gun. She stumbled off the building and he saves her and then they climb back up and they seem to start to establish a reporter. She explains he's a detective. And there's you know basically a things that she's investigating. She investigates when when things are don't fit together and we get a nice line about her sing a good detective. Trust no one. And that's one thing we have in common goliaths. Fear of being betrayed again runs very strongly through this entire episode and that is again another a nice note of complexity I think for these characters even though we have Santos he doesn't entirely trust Santos He doesn't entirely trust Lisa at the beginning. Either and we see just how badly affected by the events of the of Scotland. So rich is the time line was yesterday right. So right and yet he he. He throws that questioning completely away. When Dimona comes back in two of life layer? which almost makes is that betrayal and that interaction even more intense? Because you've seen him okay. Yeah he's got his other buddy a Buddy gargoyles and here's someone that saved his life and Yada Yada but still questioning and then oh his angel of the night comes back and all is forgiven and and that just stab in the heartened. It's it's so painful. The PATHOS Pathos yes. Speaking of PATHOS. this this Tehran of shows has some great subtle dialogue here and there like when a Lisa asks Goliath. There's more than one of you and he says barely uh-huh yeah in that Nice growl to So we have Santos giving the briefing about these stolen discs by cyber -biotics. And how he's going to send him out to recover them. We also get the idea. Now that he is something else is going on where he tells the shadowy figure that everything is going according to plan subtle animation is. It's hard to do because you have that moment of like especially when you're watching his back to back you're like well clearly d'amato right like shape of her and everything in the shadows but yeah not not so much that we get the discussion say airships giant sky ships. You know you'd think after what the avengers The doctor who ended time name anytime the the the the sound of drums What's The sky captain and the world of tomorrow? You know these giant airships these giant propeller-powered propeller-powered airships. They always go down. They always craft live out their ship. Back you right. You're right we get a discussion with Goliath Lisa about names. This is where Hudson gets his name and a Lisa and Glasgow sightseeing threat. City league well Hudson discovers television. We get our aforementioned mugging scene with the Yuppies who I believe. Show up in the background in a few more episodes as well Komo one of them. That was something else that they tended to bring these minor characters. Yes yes we. There's only like seven people in New York City Eh Marco who is clearly voiced by Marina. Serious as well which I enjoy goliath beats up thugs and Elisa's very happy. The best thing that could happen to the city that's right because the city cannot be policed by police. Officers can only by Mrs Mugabe everything. Vigilante Justice I don't think it would. I'll be turtles or Batman. This is what the city needs and then it was rough in the nineteen nineties man and then our thugs show up our commandos. Show up and Trink to chew Goliath full of some sort of sedative or something. The goliath and Lisa flee the boys who are out trying to sightsee and have found a motorcycle things and then blown it up lots of stuff also blows up surly. That character will never return. This universe has a lot of extra oxygen in the air. I think on Central Park blow up that thing blowing up blowing up in the tower that we're just we just gas cans everywhere in the nineties. And along the way we get the very distinct personalities for the for for the boys we find out pretty clearly that Lexington is going to become donatello going to become the tech. The Tech Person Broadway is at least Orlando because the jolly hedonistic eating stuff type and Brooklyn is figure out little later on that. He's kind of Goliath in training. But he's not there yet. Yeah he's a he's a little bit more than the Goliath is little Mo cool oh but crude reference. We get a funny funny scene where they try to when they realized they can't get back to the tower easily. Try to the cab which man as Lisa and glide fleeing they discover that glide has a radio tracker with him on him with a logo on it at least puts it on a dog the logo. I love the logo. What happened to that dog? We never see that dog again. That's what happened to. The dog is still following. We have fun so as we mentioned up top the at least discovers that despite the fact that Goliath has tried to hide this whole stone stone sleep thing for him that like she discovers it when they can't make it back before dawn and he explains briefly before he turns stone that he's totally vulnerable during day so she tries to lead the commandos away and we get a really great action sequence as she takes them out she goes to the boathouse. The Boat House blows up. She guy in with a jacket like this rowboats also by the way but hey that's okay gasoline. I don't remember the waterfall and the sheer cliff in central park. Ah I must exist. I'm going to leave it does it does not exist. I'm sure there's some of it is also a park that is because it's nineteen ninety-four MT at broad daylight as dangerous. No one dared say in that part. I wondered about that in the scene where she runs through the cafe. But it's also yeah dawn because he's just turned to stone so it's probably a little it's Kinda like Morningside Park. Yeah they called any of the mercenary. Our Dan the first jogger when she finally circles back to Goliath anyone who lived in New York City in the late eighties. If I say it's more like Morningside Park is laughing at home now or in the car. Yeah the Nice bit with Jogger. WHO's like I have run through this for five years thirsting that statue which is funny and then they he just keeps going though visit because there's a New Yorker? I just missed it. Neural Lisa stays with Goliath all day. which finally basically earns her some trust strikes? She's he's protected him and that that is a bond right. That's sort of establishes a bond that we don't have with Santos even though Santos is the one who is brought them all back upon upon returning we get the clan. Gets all of their names my notes. Here's what we know. They can't read so I guess they're just all things they overheard and clearly the over a lot of things they they had a very busy day right. So we've got Lexington Broadway Brooklyn and Bronx. I mean. Look they're speaking modern English so we have some accommodation the nation to make it's fair true. Magic Garbo's have very flexible brains as because of their origins that are magic you ever sold translated. Santos wants to Goliath. And we get the reveal of Dimona and we get our reunion a union between the two lovebirds. Dimona tells a story about basically going after Goliath and then having when she realized they've turned stone having the biggest cast the spell again Santos Tos says that he acquired her first. This is also some questionable but interesting like this is another thing I like about the show is layered narratives right like we're already suspicious because of the way this is presented were suspicious of these characters and a lot of this stuff will end up being things that turn out to be inaccurate not inaccurate but like there dissembling right which is another fascinating thing that we don't get a lot. I feel like in this area of this year. Well in in my my memory I always knew Santos was the bad guy like I mean. He's got a ponytail. He's gotta go he wears. I mean do you need to see his his tax returns to those people and so in the first episodes with he's you know nice and he'd saved them and all of the stuff I was was just like did I completely forget being stern. I was very very confused. And so when it all turns okay in my memory. Isn't that bad. We get them all sent on their missions to all these various sites which includes some some fun confrontations we get some character development moments as we realized that Dimona is pretty callous about human lives and Goliath is still not quite ready despite having been betrayed by humans to sort of categorically dismissed all humans every guard every facility is incapable of shooting. Anybody that no one ever gets it right any of the actually the bulletin or whatever. I don't think so any point I don't think so stormtrooper some you know as a cartoon but it's also still like there's a lot of shoot out. There are a lot of guns in these sequences but yeah not a lot of people actually getting violently hurt. Yes we get the the the kids go to this tower and get you know. Ama- sensually ambushed by a bunch of guards but they managed to get their way out. We get Hudson. Who's the Saviola time? Rookie tricks his way in By essentially like giving himself up and then having brock's come in and save him Dimona destroys the airship despite Goliath wanting to save people. She's dragged him out at least a cease go out and do WANNA leaving the crash airship and she sort of her suspicions are raised. Dimona tries to convince Goliath that humanity is basically their enemy and Santos is the only one they can trust. He is not quite buying it. And this is when the cracks in this relationship. Start to show She goliath go. See a Lisa. Who reveals that? The logo that was on the radio tracker is a company that belong. Santos maybe just don't make your logo so prominent prominent. Whatever dan branding matters? And why. Why won't you engage with brands? On trackers. Nice I'm really trying. I'm trying hard or not to this. Tracker was not. GDP are compliant so we also get the revelation of course that Santos has tricked them into stealing all these discs from cyber -biotics and that he staged the quote unquote theft in the first place. xanthos realizing the GARGOYLES can no longer be relied upon decides. He's GonNa anti-trust replacements that he is now enabled with this technology historian and we have the introduction of the steel clan which are all gargoyles robots designed to look like Goliath for for some reason. I guess because he's The coolest looking one. Yeah very again very Tony. Stark having all our robots around with laser cannons and shoot it all the the gargoyles but the gargoyles managed to fight them off and in Dimona sort of turns on them. She's got a rocket launcher decides to use that. And we get the revelation that she we worked with the captain basically to try and betray all the humans in the castle and she reveals that she has a name that the humans gave her long ago. Oh and it's Dimona. Lisa tackles her. The tower comes down xanthos is knocked out Goliath Saves Lisa. But let's Dimona fall. Oh and there's an echo shot of the same reaction. He has when he I thought he was dead. Way Back in in Scotland which is kind of a nice callback. I do like some mentioned earlier. Though the fact that he just chips and opening line the fact that he boldly says like it's really. You're the one who's responsible Komo for all this. You made it all happened so you know if you're mad at him he doesn't say this that detail but it was a really great thing to have somebody who's show like this to say this is all your fault really is I mean and she will have none of it you know. She's not going to accept it. Everybody else has gotta Pay Yup Yup and then we have seen where goliath hangs over the edge and he's GonNa drop him and of course we have our our classic but if you do you'll be the same as Guna right and glide showing his hero ISM allows Santos to instead be arrested on theft. I guess I don't know the charges are nice. Mr Santos I'll double so his cert- lining I guess so it doesn't dare and we have the Gargoyles sourcing the castle we've established at. Lisa's going to watch watch out for them and and she told me this will take them to a football game. Apparently and that is where we end our introductory arc setting up a lot of these pieces and it could have very easily gone from this to becoming a show that was just like a very episodic bad guy of the week with all the I mean and these ingredients right like there's a lot of shows I feel like once you've done the pilot episode. Everything else is kind of interchangeable. And I think that's that's again the part of this show that I I responded to so much was we jump off from this into a very complex exploration of all of these characters and plots they do you a lot of world building in this show compared to other stuff at the time it it almost felt like it was you know are we building a TV show or could this have been like an RPG campaigners right there's going to be all these overlapping factions and people with complicated intersecting backstories and people who have been married and who have have parents who are at war with other people and it's Yeah for kids. Yeah I don't I don't remember how it got scheduled but there were only thirteen episodes in the first season and I am pretty sure that it ran. awakenings ran as a daily five. Yes Day rip edit of it but it removes some things and rearrange some stuff so yeah it's not quite complete so so but I I think that first season was aside from running For a week I think it was weekly. I think it was syndicated. Weekly or something like that but so just thirteen episodes to And it's a reasonably complete story there but they still set up the seeds for if they got renewed and so the second season Brings it to to a total of sixty five episodes. So you've got your full on Disney Rotation thing going and there is just so much not only. Is there the The the serial plot going on throughout throughout but they take aac all of these amazing side trips to cover just about every possible human mythology. You can possibly get in this series from various from various ghosts and Goblin types of things too The aluminum body of of all things to the MIC. My personal vote for the worst Gargoyles story the one about the The Easter Island aliens. Don't remember yeah that's not not on the voting on that one for the rest. We're leaving aside We're leaving aside the also all seasons. We're basically doesn't exist. Fans considered noncanonical the air during Saturday. Mornings different coke chronicles. It's pretty bad. That's contacted folks. Easter island is not season three. Though I'm sorry to sell you know I think it's you know season two as part of the journey. Yeah Yeah so well. I'm glad that we got a chance to talk about these. First five episodes Zambales WanNA interject with anything before we we go our ways almost sunrise us. Just how just how. Well they sort of like thought things through Glen already talked about the gliding thing chip and I noticed this time around while they're in Scotland and there's lots of room to move a lot of them are running on all fours like their physiology is is there leaping sleeping along like wolves or lions and then once they're in New York. You almost never see that again. Because there's no room to run so they're out there walking on On feet two feet instead But they're very consistent with their movements and what's possible and what isn't possible with them and it's just a lot of thought and care went into the world building I think and I think it shows the designed to I the thing that I rem. I remarked upon when looking at the first episode. And it's even Sean Sean. There is the use of the wings as cloaks is. I think one of the best such a great design move because it not only is l. against in terms of its usage and everything but it makes it makes the character somewhat more relatable because it makes their silhouettes more human and so I think that's a really fascinating choice of design and it's just. It's a really nice little detail notice in watching this time. That Dimona has like little hand. Cli- thing that she she uses and some of the others glide has more of a like a talent sort of thing but it's even down to that level of design. They're all everyone is their own custom kind of way of bringing young individuals they've types but they're individuals and some of it is. I mean I had forgotten how Toyota some of the design is where it's like we need to be able to sell six different different action figures but it also means like they're all very and they each different color scheme and a very different shape right so they're very distinctive in a in a complicated scene with fighting our people in Silhouette and whatnot remember. How low resolution? TV was then. He's very part has been remastered for high definition. No still want to get into whether Lenovo because I'm very confused so Glenn I feel like that's my cue to wrap this. Yes please well all right. We have covered the first five episodes. I think we're actually going to try in future episodes to cover the rest of season one at least because it's fairly short whether we do you one or two episodes of the time. I haven't quite figured out yet. But I'm I'm looking forward to getting smart panel and maybe some other contributors as well talk about the rest of cease one and we'll see how that goes and maybe we'll move onto season two after that but until then I would like to thank my panel from today Campbell. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you Dan for letting me experience my childhood again. You're quite welcome Glenn Fleishman pleasure having you on. It was great and I'm glad to revisit the the show I really loved and did not have a motivation to watch until talking about it. So thank you. You're welcome Shannon's our thank you for being here. Always a pleasure to talk about stuff. I love yes. Isn't it chips on earth. Thank you so much. Offer me a podcast about gargoyles. And I'll follow you into hell. Good News Tony's into lower. Thanks for joining us on. This amazing adventure could buy nerds and thank you all out there for listening listening we will be back next time on Gargoyles library it.

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Promenade Merchants Podcast #26  Star Trek Voyagers Million Dollar Documentary

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Promenade Merchants Podcast #26 Star Trek Voyagers Million Dollar Documentary

"Up cuties. This is the promenade. Merchants podcast star trek podcast out on the frontier. So sit down and grab a rock to gino. David majors and heather curvy talk all things star. Trek old new and what's to the promenade virgins are open for business. Welcome everybody to the prominent merchants podcast. It's star trek. Podcast were sitting on the prominent s. Nine we're just we're just hanging out either having a sparkling water. 'cause i'm cutting the sugar. So no more wreckage gino for me. I'm david majors. My co miss kirby. What's up heather. What's it's how i think it will. We've reached the point in the year where it's just kinda dreary grey. It's raining it's still occasionally cold. The dreary season. We're in the dreary season but we have some exciting things to talk about tonight. We do we do still have some star trek stuff to talk about everybody and we thank you for listening and shout out to everybody out there. That checked me out on weekly trek. Hope you enjoyed that shut to everybody. That caught us on start date today. Heather and i when we were on star date today with cat king lang some trek games doing some mad libs. And if you're tuning in from weekly track thank you so much. I'm not nearly as much of a silly goofball on that. Podcast as i am here so we'll just jump right in so if this is your first time tuning into prominent merchants we we have a little bit of format We start with old business. Which is sort of the classic era of star trek pretty much everything up to and including the kelvin movies. New business Anything that's happening in the world of trek news in the here and now and upcoming is when we look to star trek beyond not just specifically the movie but things happening with star trek in the future sell heather. We're gonna jump into old business because this is one that we both thought was a good idea as everyone knows. Draghi's have lots of different favorite actors in their star trek series in their star trek. Fandom and star trek has a lot of actors that do get work outside of star trek now some anyway i will ask you and i would love everyone out there to let us know on twitter. At prompts crackpot. Please tell us what have you enjoyed. thanks to discovering new work from an actor in star trek. If there's something out there that star trek actor did that you decided to check out. New really enjoyed it Heather what did you find. Well i mean. I have to think about this one because most of the actors in star trek the first thing i think of when i think about things that they have been is star trek so i had to think about things that i have watched. Because i've seen someone in star trek and Probably one of the things that actually just popped into my head right now. Is this show from like back in the nine these it was after. Tng's run obviously but it was called beyond belief factor fiction which is hosted by john other than jonathan frakes. So i remember watching that just being cited because that was number one star trek as a kid It was it was kind of a show on the realm of like unsolved mysteries except for it told stories of like crazy things that were set in a real life situation and then at the end of the show it would tell you whether the story was actually true or if the story was something completely made up so it's a ridiculous show but it's one of those things that you just kind of like to put on and have a little fun with something. Heather have you seen the videos on youtube called. Jonathan frakes asks you questions yes okay. So for everyone out there i. This goes back to factor fiction which i remember watching with my mom back in the day on the sci-fi channel way back when because we were also excited to see jonah breaks. And now you'll see on youtube these various videos that have clips from factor. Fiction of jonathan. Frakes asking you questions about the episode of that particular episode. And they're these videos have been spliced in many different ways including heather involving david xanthos asking a question which brings me to my first choice. Gargoyles the nineties disney cartoon that some people have forgotten disney tries to make people forget but it is genuinely one of the best cartoons of the ninety s it had. In retrospect people don't realize just how many star trek actors were involved with gargoyles at one point. Jonathan frakes was a major character. David santos marina serta's was involved brent. Spiner was involved Avery brooks had a one off episode. I think patrick stewart had a few episodes in there to michael dorn played a major character as well cold steel. He was the brother or an antagonist of the main character. Goliath voest by keith david. And there's a lot of this is already been well documented on the internet already. But i just want to say if you never got the chance to go back to watch gargoyles or see the original pilot movie and the series that followed it. It's truly fantastic Heather did you watch. Did you know the star trek connection back in the day. I can't say that. I've ever watched gargoyles but i have heard many good things about it. Now that i'm an adult that everybody says it was amazing. And i wanna say i'm pretty sure they did. Put it on disney. Plus so i might have to go back and watch it but i did not watch it especially knowing the star trek connection. I would definitely go back and watch it now. Yeah definitely you should. It is in my opinion in its own. Unique way may be the most significant disney animated series of the nineties because it was so different from all of the other shows And it did amazing things. It incorporated shakespeare qu- inc mythology was kind of one of those first shows where you came up with the idea of what of all of these superstitions and myths were real and they kind of revolve around the gargoyles universe in manhattan and detective maza goliath and it was just just a fantastic show was a gem of ninety s animation. I've got one more heather. Another animated series. Do you have one more. do you have any others. I don't but i have something i want to ask. When you're done with your one more so okay you go first. This one is actually fairly recent. It was on cartoon network then moved to. Hbo matt's it got three seasons. Hopefully for a talked about it a few times in a couple of different places and it's called infinity train It's an animated series of where the concept is that there is a train in the protagonist and it can change from season to season his on this train and inside of each car on this train it is like a different world or a different universe. It's kind of like a different planet in star trek. It's almost kind of like that. You're going to a different place every episode Things become a little bit more serialized in they get into more of a story but infinity train had one character in its first and second season but predominantly in its first season. It was a cat. And then when i heard this cat like the voice just started to really stick in my head and i remember tweeting. This out is that kate. Mulgrew and wh-. I had known that hate mogo had been doing some voice work and of course she was on orange is the new black and it was dislike. I know that voice. I know that in she was playing this anthropomorphic hidden. Who is kind of a a row character. Not necessarily a good guy or bad guy but it was like that voice. That's kate mulgrew. I know it is. And then when i looked it up it was absolutely her. And it's kind of why. I've been tweeting a lot especially trekkies. Hey there's is really cool show on cartoon network in hbo. Max called infinity train one eight more cruise in it too. It's really good regardless And that's one that i would say is more recent both of my picks were animated but yeah infinity train. I think that one is really really good and hate mocha's in it so that's just an extra bonus. That is an extra bonus. Yeah the one thing. I wanted to add at the end of our discussion is that i mean when thinking about other stuff that star trek has been in especially especially with the new generation of star trek shows. Now we're now hitting the point. Where have you heard. Any show called the walking dead. Here's an equal martin. Green was in it. I don't know. Oh we're getting to the point where the actors that are now being cast in star trek where you can sit there and recommend stuff that you have seen them in prior to star trek. So on that note i just want to sit there and shout out to a bbc show called the musketeers. Which is exactly as it. Sounds is the story of those posts. Aramis and d'artagnan as the muskateers in france and san diego cabrera plays aramis and it is a really good show. It's only three seasons long. I think this seasons are on amazon prime. Now for those of you in the us so you can watch it on amazon. Prime definitely definitely check that out. Because that was where. I saw antioch cabrera before he ever got cast as rios in picard and he is fantastic. Do believe peter capaldi the great. Peter capaldi is admit show to is he not. He is in the first season because he played cardinal. Rubio if you know anything about the musketeers stories. One of the main villains of the musketeers and they ended up having to kill him off because it was a bbc produced show and he got cast. This doctor who he was going to go and star in another bbc producer show like he wasn't the main character of the show but he had a very large role and he just didn't have time to go so they killed him off after the first season but yes he's in the first season of it and he is fantastic as well. Let me put down in my notes. That's that's reason number two for me to check out musketeers. You said it was on amazon prime. Yes yes should be on amazon. I'll put that in the show notes to for everybody and anything with santiago cabrera. I'm always down for which is kind of what i was going to talk about a little bit in business when we. That's what they call the tease. Everybody jump into going to jump into new business with a maybe the worst kept secret in star trek fandom and the star trek community right now and that is the voyager documentary the indigo go Started by four five five productions Who were also responsible for what we left behind the ds. Nine documentary Have been working on funding with. They are now calling to the journey. Which will be the star trek. Voyager documentary and it is official. The campaign has broken one million dollars. Yeah all of the stretch. Goals have been reached with just a few days to spare. And this really rocketed wick. This this campaign started in hsun it was funded in almost no time so the stretch goals just kept going and going going and now they are the second highest documentary in indie gogo history of. Yeah this is pretty awesome. Heather is actually pretty awesome and they still have. What at least four or three days to go. So i i don't know what exactly the highest number is an indie gogo history but the camp is not over yet. They still have three more days to go so they could come close to that. I don't know very well. Could just to let everyone know on their original goal was one hundred and fifty thousand and smash that in the match that they smash that like night and then the stretch goals kept going through graphics. Voyager reunion The film will get extended There will be more. Hd footage for voyager and now it has passed one million there will be an exclusive never before seen voyager surprise. I wanna know the surprises. Now we billion. I wanna know if the prizes but i think it could be you know. I think it's something along the lines of. I honestly think it's going to be something like i know in the ds nine dock. They did like laid out their plans for season. Eat in the documentary. I think it's going to be something along the lines of what where are they now with the voyager characters because i know as much as i love and game i know a lot of people have issues with the fact that the voyager finale just ended right with them getting back to earth. And you don't get to see what happens with these characters and how they deal with being back in the alpha quadrant and being earth. So i think the special surprise might be used some sort of sit down with the creators and be like what would have happened to each of these characters after getting her a really like that idea but i speak for those of us out there. That did not like endgame. Because i am one of them I would hope or i would like then. Maybe somewhere deep down in the archives at viacom. Cbs paramount whoever that they actually had a reshot redone and day for star trek voyager. That maybe we saw them actually get to earth and maybe be welcomed back to the alpha quadrant. That's what i'm hoping for. And it would give voyager the ending that it deserves. In my opinion i think it would give voyager the ending that it should have had the first time around I do like your idea of sort of a voyager. Twenty years later twenty. Five years later i would love that up maybe even like a writer's room voyager season aid that would be cool. That would be cool. But i think that a solid voyager and game maybe like a snyder cut for for game. I don't know. I think that would be the way i'd like for an engine and hey i'm just going to throw it out there now that we've had the ds nine documentary now that we've got the voyager documentary we might need to call up the one crew and start working on that. Enterprise documentary is still got five more years for that. You're this year is the twentieth anniversary of enterprise and both these documentaries were to celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary so they still got five more years. Start planning for back your time and in the next five years or so everyone should start sending joelene blaylock. Flowers just send her flowers and do whatever it takes to make sure. She knows that everyone loves her so we can get her to do the documentary too. But let's start that campaign now you know. I think as long as like she wouldn't have to see rick. Berman or brannon. Braga are in the same room with some. She'd be on board kenya. Now that's a whole nother conversation. Yes it is so we're gonna move into upcoming business and we're gonna talk about this book. That's coming out that i that i saw Star trek discovery. The book of grudge. This is courtesy of trek or author. Rob parliament will be taking his own interpretation of star trek discoveries third season and will be releasing a book from grudges perspective grudge of course being the cat that owns cleveland booker. Heather i'm going to ask you how you feel on this one. I love it. I am so ready for it. I have no idea what it's going to be like. But i will definitely be buying it. I loved the idea. And i love the fact that they are. Just weaning into grudges popularity and running with it. It's fantastic. i'm i really think it's a cool idea. And i don't know if you heard my theory on grudge when i was on weekly track that For for the prominent listeners. I was on weekly track with alex. Perry and this book came up. And i've been thinking about this for a while. We all know how book says grudge is a queen and i think that garage might actually be a queen from some sort of non humanoid frodo -cation cat like planet and grudge is actually queen. That that we just don't know about so. It would not surprise me to see rob perelman write this book from the perspective of a queen of a planet looking down on these humans so essentially at essentially what it would be. Yeah i i mean you know. There's been a lot of theories floating around like that. That grudges some sort of alien. And i are. Yeah i can see it. I would not be kentucky really unhappy if they confirmed something like that but also as the crazy cat lady myself no matter what even if she's just regular cat she's queen so okay so out of all of the characters to get a book. It's grudge and this was a great question. Came from you heather. M. i would love to hear from everyone out there too so please let us know at prompt trek pod on twitter or even send us an e mail. Romina trek pod at gmail.com. Let's let's open up the inbox and in sinister an email on that when if you like but at prompt trek pot on twitter as good to Heather i'll ask you because i was thinking about this one. I'm still not totally sure. But i think i've got one in mind aside from grudge if there was a star trek there that you would like to see. Have a book who would it be. I my immediate answer. And i love the fact that they've been doing this Especially with the newer discovery. Novels and Picard show novels that they have in the works and have have put out so far. But my immediate answer would be a discovery. Era novel sets us kind of as a prequel to discovery for obvious reasons Focusing around real katrina gordon. Well oh that's a great choice. Would you have her as starfleet admiral or would you like to see her as like a because she was a doctor and a ship's counselor i would probably love to see more of her background in history so like her in the timeframe where she was a doctor in a ship's counselor and how she transitioned from that in being an admiral. Yeah that's really good. That's a really really good choice. I really liked that a lot because there was a lot to do with her. And i love that. They gave her even some of the story that she was a doctor. She was a ship's counselor before she moved over to being command officer and became an admiral. That's like she was really cool. And i absolutely loved jane brooks's performance. I thought she was just outstanding. That is has a great great choice for me. I would have said that. It would be chris rea's but he is getting a book he already. Yes that's that's one for me. I would also say it would have been roffe But imagine she's probably going to get one too so it made me think it made me think i would kind of like to see now. I'm drawing a blank. I was going to say rough that that would have been my next choice. Because i feel like. I've said this on a couple of podcasts. Before i feel like with star trek picard both roffe and rio's have so much story that we don't know anything about yet. We've only scratched the surface with both of them. And i want more of those two in the worst way when it comes to star trek picard. I wanna see or or find out about their starfleet careers. Both of them. I want to see how rios dealt with the death of his captain and what he went through in. He got to and got that ship. I wanna see what roffe has done with her life after be issues with romulus and her battles with addiction. Her battles with family. I want to see her. Starfleet career wanna see all of those things from those too. So i'm gonna go with roffe from star. Trek picard as my choice for a book because the rio's book is already on. its way. yeah. I mean from what i've read. The rio spoke. Looks like it's going to cover a lot of that. Like what happened with the death of his old captain which i'm looking forward to now on the subject of roffe have you read the first star. Trek picard tien novel. The last best. Hope i have not okay because It basically gives you a lot more detail on a lot. More context about a card and roffe Relationship like how they first met and how he invited her to be his second in command while working on the romulo relocation and the stress that that put on her personal relationship and also how it kind of drove her to Some of her other struggles and it's part of why i look at season one of card in a different light after watching matt or after reading that because i there are certain things that i wish they would have touched on in season one of picard that they didn't really do very well because i think card really does roffe an apology for how he treated her during that timeframe when they were working on romulus together because she had She had no she had theory. She had all of the stuff that she was trying to put together about. How the romulus could be behind the attack on mars and he really dismissed her and he didn't recognize a lot of the warning signs that she was having issues with addiction and alcoholism and things like that and they show that in the book and i just sat there and read that. And i'm going damn. That man owes her an apology. I don't feel like she got that in season one night when she thought she was dying. She sat there and professed how much she cared about him. An apology from him. He doesn't need to hear that from her. She serves from him. And i still haven't gotten that yet. So i'm a little frustrated on that point but Yeah i'd love to hear more about roffe but the card oser some big words. I still hope we'll come big agree. That's that's just another thing. We can look forward to in in star trek the future which makes me happy. We have things in star trek to look forward to and that is so so cool. Every time i do this. Podcast ed were wrapping up. I just think to myself man. We still got a lot of star trek to look forward to like right now as recording this In spring of twenty twenty one shows are in production. So we're in kind of a holding pattern. Where were stretching out the content as best we can but we at least know that we have things to look forward to heather. And that's that's so cool. Oh yes definitely there are. There are things coming and so we're just finding stuff to get excited about along the way before they get here but there are plenty of things coming might be a long road getting from their here to there but i i'm looking forward to it Heather thank you so much for doing another prominent merchants podcast with me. Thank you all for listening. Heather to tell everybody what you got going on. I know you've got a few things. Well yeah i i mean. We've got things in the fire. Things happening there might be me on a new episode of fanta policy coming this week which you will be editing round to recording it But also next week we're gonna have a special episode of prominent mertens where we're leaving the promenade and headed to the mean streets of new york city to leave the galaxy behind and talk about some real world stuff and My favorite topic will in order. Svu so thank you for doing that with me. Oh my pleasure i like. Sp you too. I'm looking forward to it. And i'm gonna throw out another crazy when we do that. Episodes so stay tuned for that. Next week everybody will be non canon episode side story versions so be sure to check that out might even have a guest two so stick and stay tuned for that okay and as always everybody follow heather at nerdy gal. Thirty three on twitter. Never apologize for being nerdy and thank you for listening to the prominent merchants podcast. We like star trek here. 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Star Trek Discovery

Is It Transphobic Podcast

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Star Trek Discovery

"What's going on the patriot. Well we're interviewing nikki. Wolf folk a author as well as a amazing troppled here kind of reflects more how i see because i've been on the outside for so long and so many different communities and not feel relief in and so when i said create the chocolate company i wanted to create a community so that has always been like the first and foremost so we find. We have these adventures. We have these different flavors that we taste burden tapping into different places. Different people and different experiences. But we're also coming together with this mutual understanding and so that was my motivator. And so that's what i hope to bring when it comes to the chocolate so if you wanna get access to that absurd now that's patriot dot com slash. Is it transphobic. Is it. Transphobic will be addressing issues of transphobia and transa- janie. We may also address issues of racism. Classism able ism and various other intersectional issues in this podcast so this is a trigger warning. The panelists on is it. Transphobic will also use strong language so listener discretion is advised. Hello everyone my name is ashley. Lauren rogers i use she her and they then pronouns and i am the producer of the transphobic podcast and today i'm being joined by me. Jonathan electronics They them theirs. Non binary playwright professor and trekkie per. Today's episode so this is a this is kind of huge because star. Trek discovery has both a trans character in a non binary character on discovery now and they are portrayed by a trend a non binary actor and so that's just to give away the for them to give away the goat That's that's what we're going to talk about I will freely admit though and this is the thing like no matter what we talk about is going to be a spoiler for me. Because i was a late comer to star trek disco So welcome so. I'm very excited to be at the star trek disco Thing that's anything no. It should be it. Should i know it star trek discovery. Nobody calls it that. Nobody else star star trek disco. Yeah absolutely it's it's the star trek on summers would want but yeah i'm maybe midway through season two right now so i'm like you know again we're like there's a bunch of stuff that we're talking about that just i will have no reference for other than i'm just so excited and mostly because i know that you're very excited about this as well And not only that One of our one of our long-standing patrons unpatriotic on They are a non binary person from germany. They actually approached me about this as well. Which is part of the impetus for me saying like no. We gotta do this right now. for those. That don't know the way i've been doing this. Podcast during this has been a in an unprecedented move. I recorded about twenty five interviews with people Media criticism about various other topics including a non binary. People don't need to Give you jenner compliance as well as the the idea of clowns this con- dissecting the idea that clowns have no gender all both of which will be coming out soon But i i sat down with twenty five sets of people to have conversations and so i've been slowly. I'm still not done so anything that you're hearing from now until basically march is going to be stuff that i recorded in march of this past year except for this conversation because it is such a big thing for star trek and it is such a big thing for a lot of us That we we. I felt it was important for you and i to sit down and a conversation now about this. Yeah thank you i mean. I really glad that you had that thought. Because i truly agree with your urgency about it. I think that You know star. Trek has always been a place that i've looked for inspiration and for a model for how i am supposed to be. And in some ways that has been really useful throughout my life in the sense of infinite diversity infinite combinations and the idea of a utopian future that we can fight for through science and through cooperation exploration in other ways. I think that it has been less helpful. Especially like growing up with the next generation where everybody is like super thin and in jumpsuits. And you feel like you kind of have to look like that in order to be Like really you know. Successful in this utopian future and i think that that is where that is a place where star trek and kind of let you down until i would argue now with discovery where i think that they are actually creating many body types and many Many identities that are outside of what one might have seen growing up with the next generation. And i think that that is super cool. It's star trek. I needed as a teenager. And it's interesting. Because i don't think of 'cause the the one star trek that i've really watched for a long period of time was next gen And that was not while it was coming out. That was like this is the thing that my father watched. Okay cool. He's he's watching this thing. Yeah i know about data. Yeah ok guys got a beard right cool and so for me like i didn't even notice that like that idea of like these all have to be like for like the hollywood star trek people weights. Then we got the hollywood star trek people and it's like oh it's a completely different world too. Yeah so what was so. Let me ask you this like before. We get into a lot of the representation and we get into a lot of that. What what are the elements of star trek. That really bring you To it. I know you touched on it a little bit but like what makes star trek this this thing for you. Well i grew up with it. Which i think is the is a big part of it is it's such a a well of nostalgia for me now. I remember watching the episode. Myrie which is a star trek the original series episode For the first time. When i was a god i mean i surely was route. Four or five in there And it freaked me out. I mean it really scared me. You know the episode. You've probably deduce why But i remember seeing. I remember seeing you know the incumbent far point which is the next generation pilot and so i have memory of seeing this getting the action figures playing with them. You know going in and really using this as a way to sort of relate to my parents swell who also knew the show. So there is that But then in the world of the show there's also a lot of philosophy that's there that really helps me especially now a teacher Where i encounter people who think differently live differently in our different than myself every single day and i think a lot of those people come from an experience where they faced people uttering them constantly and i think star. Trek is an argument not to other. It's an argument to say. Hey you know. I think you're awesome. I think you're beautiful. I think let's you know if you're open to it. Let's have a conversation and it doesn't even have to be about identity or anything you can just be about whatever we might relate to and i think that that's really really great and positive and i think if we all sort of approached people that way I think the world would be a lot happier now. The the thing that always stuck with me about star trek was the the social aspect of it. Like both like yes okay. You know we've got the trekkies unlike especially as someone who's come from a lot of spaces that are like nerd oriented spaces going to conventions working at these conventions doing these things. So i definitely feel that from a social aspect of this piece of media has brought people together but also from the aspect of part of the reason that it has and this is the thing. I didn't really realize until i sat down started really watching next gen. Was this idea of the social way that people communicate on the show and the way that it's a lot less Of action in violence oriented and there are moments in a lot of classic track but really a lot of it. Is that idea of getting to the root of the problem and finding out the way not to interfere with an entire different species of people entire different group of people in entire different mentality of people depending on what problem. They're trying to solve and just that idea of. How do we help them without completely upending who they are and yeah. I always teach the episode dharma from trek. The next generation fifth season and that to me has always been emblematic. Exactly what you're saying where basically just a quick quick rundown of that. It's just you know. Captain of another race captainship. That belongs to a race communicates with the enterprise. They can't speak to each other because they can't understand one another so that captain ab- ducks picard. They beamed down to a planet or their whole goal. Is just learning how to communicate. That's it and that captain is totally willing to die for that because the captain understands that the communication is worth it like modest could communication between two people who are not the same is worth it and that katz was willing to risk his life in order to do that And it really shows you something about about our world in and about what our world could be if we value communication To that much maybe we don't have to necessarily die for it. You know you can figure out a way before it gets there to To communicate with people and and especially like now watching through disco. I think it took a little while. Now let me let me ask you especially as a longtime track fan. What were you immediately. Engrossed in disco did take a little bit to kind of get there. what like. What was your journey with the newest version of star trek. When the first scene opened on shore joe and burnham walking through the desert broke down in tears and said that. I'm not leaving the show. Ever and i was hooked ever since i think that. What got me in that scene. The opening shot of the pilot is the fact that there were two women that both held authority in this world that we're both meant to track and follow and like and they were accomplishing a mission. A dangerous mission Together and they were in command together. And i was like this. This show has now announced itself as a show that is interested in going to places that even star trek has not necessarily gone before. And i think that that is the show that i want to be a part of a lot of the fan pushback that i've seen against discovery which i do not believe there is a lot of this. I think that there is. There are vocal fans That don't like it because they want something that basically takes script from t. o. s. and just remixed that and that is not at all what discovery is doing and i say that is a good thing because we want to keep exploring. We want to keep going further. And when i saw that first opening shot i knew that this was a show that was going to do that. And that was what i wanted to be. Part of and now that we've landed in this world where we have a non binary character and we a character whose trans played by actress who are That is what i have expected. That is what the show has taught me to expect. And i expect that we won't stop there as well. Yeah i know when it was first coming out. I didn't really watch it because it was like i don't have cable and I would have to order. Cbs all access and at that time star trek again. Because i'm not a trek fan. I'm not do you okay. Let me let me get this clarification real quick. 'cause i've had like strangely a lot of conversations trick or trek e i use trekkie. I i know that there are the that is a nerd fight. That happens and we think that there are. I think that the the entire argument revolves around these identifiers. Potentially being something that would be a battery insulting so like for awhile. Tricky was like us such a trekkie. Like oh god you know basically code for like oh you'll never get a date or whatever you know as god anything and say the trekkies. Oh oh yeah that you can have exactly exactly so people would sort of be like no no no. I'm a trekker like that's you know that's were dignified or but you know what like valid. It's all ballot like if you are a tricky if you're a trucker if you're a person who watches star trek. I you know it's all to me not not relevant. I just like to trekkie sounds at. I think that it's kind of taken this cool place. Culture where for a while it was seen as like something negative or whatever because sci fi but now like fi marvel movies all that stuff has exploded. So there's really no need to see to see any derogatory value in any of these terms. So i just go with whatever you love it love it. Yeah i know in my time in steam punk again to not talk about the thing we're talking about but In my time steve hunt. That was that was an argument that we had constantly was like. Are you a steam punk or steamed puncture. And i will admit i agree with you on everything that you said about trekkies and trekkers and like if you're just a fan of star trek but i will like. I will go down in flames arguing. You should not clear some steam punk or because people who are punks are not. They're punks and up conquers. Or what is that. What prespective. I still love you. Thank time i will fight. Steam punk is not a thing that you should call refuse. Well yeah. I think that the the difference fairs like a word that exists outside of the context that we're talking about but like trekkie or trekker both were terms invented for this so maybe the whole different sort of status because of ex. Yeah but yes so to get back on track though to get back on track Yeah with with with this season with particularly the first season. I remember coming out of being a big thing and a lot of my friends in these communities Like i have a couple of friends that are just like nah. I'm good and they've been time track. Ease big time like folks that have followed longtime. There's just like it's not my thing and she was like. Oh interesting okay. I've also had 'cause at this point that was when When the first season of disco came out that was the same time as the per season of the orville Which we've also discussed on this podcast. And i think is just vile garbage but everyone every and say everyone must sis head friends who are star. Trek came to that and they said this is what we're looking for. This is star trek. And she's like it's horrible. I mean and i would go so far as to say that some of that is even toxic. Not not to not to say that if you if you liked the orville by default that makes you x. y. z. It doesn't necessarily not necessarily that simple but like that is exactly my experience and the thing about that. That seems to be true is like if you are a fan of t. s If you're a fan of like enterprise if you're a fan of any of those shows that basically just kind of traded scripts between each other and just like control eft like control are like kirk and picard essentially You liked the orville. Because that is brandon braga. That is all of the homophobes that were wrote it. Writing for star treks back in the day. that are now over on the orrville Doing that and of course. I don't mean to classify everybody on the orville as a homophobic. But i m saying that people like brennan braga are the reason you did not get gay characters on t. n. g. and the fact that that sucker is on the orville is or had any sort of connection to that show is just awful. As far as i'm concerned i mean and especially again someone who is not a trekkie. Someone who's just sort of like consuming media randomly. I didn't even know that aspect of it interesting. Yes so like star. Trek has had a history of wanting to Explore lgbtq plus identities on the shows I think that you know. George takei famously. Sort of has this story that he repeats about talking to gene roddenberry and basically saying like. Hey what about gay people And roddenberry essentially was like. Yeah like i'd like to do that but now is not the time. It was kind of that that sort of answer Which is something that i think to. Koa says like sympathetically as if he sort of understands where he's coming from. I think that if you'd feel like pushing back against that will. I don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with doing that. But then once you get to. Tng you have characters that were meant to be gay and then weren't and then you have sort of people like brannon braga who were like. We're not going to explore that on this show. That is not going to be what we do You haven't instances where They explorer Tried to explore not binary or queer identities badly They are reportedly. And then you go into ds nine where you have the character of jazzy. Dax who when she had a kiss with a another female character basically that episode was like essentially abandoned oklahoma or these types of places. You know that was not Because of that and Star trek tried kind of inching. Its way and then. I feel like what's great about discoveries once we hit now were going into warp speed a little bit and i love that because honestly star trek should have been the first doing this shit and the fact. It's the last is reprehensible. And i don't think that that's going to continue you know. I think that it's going to continue to expand and be a home for lgbtq plus people but It should have been there a lot sooner and there were people holding it back from doing that. And yeah that makes me incredibly pissed off as a trekkie now. And i think i think so. Much of that is very much. This idea that once star trek kind of became an institution unto itself There are so many people that remembered what they like. They see it. As -solutely this is the future that we want to portray as for people and so for folks who are queer are lgbtq plus and wanted to see themselves represented. They were met with a lot of the Folks who are already in power who saidan well even though yeah okay no because if we show that as the ideal then people will think that's the ideal and she's like that is the ideal and fuck you but yeah it had. It would have had so much power. I mean as a kid. I this is what. I was absorbing and i know a lot of my my trekkie friends. Also say the same thing. This is the show that they were absorbing as a kid. And i know if they had gone into an actually featured nonbinary characters On their show. I would have certainly come to my own identity. A lot sooner than i did. it's not their responsibility to do that. But i think that when you're when you're a show that holds that level of importance in a in a fans life you just wish you just wish that they did. Yeah i know in the past. And i'm looking at the specific episodes but we've done With my good friend silas We talked about two separate episodes of the next generation I'm just looking up exactly. Which episodes outcast. I would imagine it. Yeah we did the outcast in the host. Okay yeah yeah The outcast was fascinating Just a rehash really quick. This was a society that is without gender there is no gender in this society. Tells you until reicher watson have sex and then suddenly. I do. And it's so interesting because i guess jonathan frakes is his name. Jonathan frakes Really wanted that actor to be portrayed by a male actor and they said no. We can't show that. Even though i know that this character has no gender like they really have been a lot of like pushes to try and do recommend people listen to our Episodes on the host and the outcast. Because they're they're fascinating especially again as someone who was just coming into it as i have a base knowledge of star trek But it really did show. And i think that people took away the wrong message but even in that thing even in that episode. That was so good to show the problem with forcing people into a gendered box and even if that gender box is you cannot have a gender you have to look like this and if you start showing a completely different gender outside of this like this idea of boxing people in is the problem and when we saw like if they had celebrated gender diversity and said there is no gender because everything school then. That would have been very different than you have to do this this haircut. You have to look like a beetle. Yeah yeah exactly. The sort of sibling episode. That goes with that in star. Trek enterprise is the co janitor at which. I don't know if y'all went into but that that was basically an episode where they tried to do kind of the same thing in which they have a species that essentially recognizes three genders. And there's this sort of other one that is a necessary component in their mating process But is recognized as a as an additional sort of gender outside of the binary and it goes horribly just in terms of the episode. I think like i. It's yet another example where this is not done. Well yeah so so. Let's talk about the stuff that is done. Well let's go. i'll i'll tell you a little bit. What kept me specifically. Because i've talked about all my friends who love track and hated disco respect for for me it really like something about that like first couple of episodes it just like yes it was action and i love action but at the same time something about it was like okay so i just kept watching other things. I'd do other things when i finally came to it. And then for some reason we just said i think it was literally that they brought in transit on binary actors for transient binary characters that diana my wife and i finally said like all right. Let's just watch it all right. Let's just let's get through that hump and let's get through whatever it was keeping us and once they actually got to a lot of the the horror aspects of season one which on other friends have said have pulled them out of it completely But then they came back for season two but for me like the horror aspects. Were actually like oh. This is interesting. I know track has gone into horror territory. But i've never seen it like this and so it was like okay. I'm i'm here for whatever this ride is. Yeah yeah. I totally agree i mean. I think that it's interesting to me. How few people. I've heard are like super enthusiastic about every single season. I am frankly like people who are i. It's very common for you to hear people like. Oh i love season two. He's one or like season three is where it should have started and like seasons one and two or tougher. Me okay fine. You know that that but that speaks to. I think how they are exploring genre in interesting ways and they're doing it through. These are kind of like. What do you space nine did. I think if you're deep space nine fan you probably get into discovery a lot because They are. They are formally similar. 'cause i know like an again like having watched very little like but the stuff i have watched it's been very episodic and almost like alien of the week as opposed to like monster of the week Problem solving and with this they have that like every episode has a clear beginning middle end but at the same time there's overarching story of what's happening and the my celia and the like may network and what it's doing and suddenly were in a completely different dimension And like all of these stories are very like okay. They're focused on these other characters. And it's so i think the other thing that fascinates me is especially in season one. There are so many characters on the bridge who we don't know we kind of get a name like a a wilshire. Coon we here and then like we see like. Oh you know this. One has a history with michael burnham because oh yup yoshi oh. She remembers her fail detmer. Yeah yeah but we don't really know who they are even by the season one. Oh that they're on the ship and that's actually kind of interesting and almost like an audience. Insert because you're so used to like the bridge being the most important and like everyone on the bridge you know them. You know sulu no reicher. And you know like yeah. Yeah well starting. Your show with lieutenant commander. Is i think such a bold choice. Like you're not. The captain is not the focus really. It's your focused on this person. Who is sort of trying to figure out her place in the in the ranks here Which i thought so so great. And i think you get this because discovery discovery brought in people who had never done track and they also elevated people who had done track Who maybe didn't get as much attention as they like. Kristen buyer is a genius and she has written some of the best voyager novels out there but now she's she's written many episodes for for discovery and they've been wonderful but they've also brought in directors and writers the way directors and writers who are people of color black. You know i mean the people who are not unfortunately commonly represented in the of track despite the show's push to be progressive of. I don't know that they've always done the best job of hiring those people Especially behind the camera and now they're doing that Which is just amazing to see how they shake things up in brilliant ways and even like representation from the the actors like most of the actors that i see from star trek and part of it is because they're jumping into a again this like franchise that is so much bigger than any one person But like they're they handle themselves outside of it like beyond discuss like even before disco every single one of them With the exception of maybe the t. S the original series. Some of the t. Os asked but most of such a good job of elevating the idea of like we need to push for need to do more. We need to keep creating beyond this and we need to create spaces for people like us. And i think that especially kind of like what you were saying. Having a lot less people like them on the back end as production people has hindered it and even though we are seeing people portrayed in a way that yes we want to see more of what the future will actually look like At the same time not having them behind has really hurt. A lot of the series. And again i i speak as someone who's not been a fan but someone who has jumped in every now and again and who knows a lot people who have way more knowledge than i do about it. You're right. I mean that's that's an accurate assessment and i think that regardless of what property. You're a fan of. I think that we do have this responsibility to say. Yeah i love this thing but also fuck this thing. We're gonna make it a lot better right like that because we're going to keep pushing for it to get better and better and better so. I think that that's kind of conversation that that discovery really evoke switches. Yeah this is. This is great but also now that we've achieved that now we as fans could also. Yeah but fuck those guys where we going next. Which i think is is also super exciting. Yeah like it just reminds me. I saw a tweet from patrick stewart. Recently just congratulating elliott page and saying like. I'm so glad that you're like my friend and was like oh my god what good great again like adjacent things like. I know that this is not super focused but at the same number she's like oh my god i saw that it was just like of course patrick stewart is thinking elliott page. Hurry fairly page all wish. We could just speak with patrick stewart. I mean come with like what are you come out or even if you don't come out just you know catchers or should just call you and be like hello. I'm your friend now. Now we can be friends. Oh thank you but so. Let's let's talk a little bit about disco season three and again. I am not there yet. But i am so here for Just go ahead and spoil it. That's fine tell me about these characters. The ones who were yeah. We came here to talk about at sierra and gray are the two that you really want to know the names of and those are the two characters that are are central. This discussion about non binary characters and trance characters. So i thought that this was and continues to be because it is season three is still going on. I thought it was done really well. The the the criticism of it is that i think is it does resonate with me. Is that discovery. He has a little bit of a problem killing. They're killing their queer characters like god. Okay cool so i mean but so i think that it puts us in a weird place. Because i'm going to say stuff and if you haven't seen it i apologize in advance. I know you've talked about like season three. But there's some season to step in there that maybe i've got yet boiler spoiler alert if you want to catch up catch up and then come back to the conversation but i immediately soon as you said killing their gaze new and then he was like oh far like that's the thing that happened and then season to its way that didn't happen now. I guess right okay. Right so that that seems to be a a sort of theme so over yet dies but then doesn't in three. The idea is that a deer uh is in a relationship with gray gray dies but then also doesn't and so that what that does do which to me is is is touching. Although i think we could probably suggest better ways to get there is. There is a really touching conversation between stem. it's call her and a dera And when that conversation is happening with those three of them basically it's a big sort of acceptance conversation of just like. Hey you know you're you got it. We we love you this kind of thing you you really. It really hits you hard when you realize like that is that is a conversation between three main characters on a star trek property that are all queer and that is very very meaningful tomato see but Ah deora Their journey is is interesting So just to give a quick rundown of it so people are familiar or as familiar as you'd like to be or maybe no all this already but a deora holds a secret that the rest of the crew needs in order to accomplish their mission. And i'm being purposely kind of vague about this And the other thing that we learned about a deer is that they are the host of a dax or not a trill convenient. Oh which humans are not necessarily not supposed to be able to do know as remember from that one episode one of the few episodes obscene that it caused hell rikers body correct. Yes okay exactly. So yes so. Humans are not supposed to do this. They're not really sure why. Derek can by the result of that. Is that a deer than has this collective knowledge of the previous Hosts which is is interesting to me because in track circles a lot of people talk about how jesse attacks on deep space nine was a useful character for them to have When they were coming out of trance so like fans who have come out as trans have said basically like jd. Attacks really was inspirational to me to do that. Not because jesse. A dax was a trans character but because the idea of a character hosting multiple identities resonated with some folks in in In the trans experience here that i think is is sort of elevated even more so At i don't think it's trying to suggest that A deer is not binary because they contain this host or because they are hosting this symbol. That it's not adulting. It's truly connected to that. I think a deer would not bipolarity of of this. But i think that Hosting multiple sort of entities within the within the symbiotic definitely gives them another level to to kind of think about this the sort of identity question and a deer so dear basically you know goes by she her pronouns For a couple of episodes after their introduced on the show You know obviously does not make them any less non binary But there comes to. There comes a point where they're talking to stats in engineering and It's uses she her pronoun and they correct him as say like that. I've been thinking and after that put like it is. It is totally like a shirt. And that's what's what i find is is really wonderful about it is that it's it's not a big deal like it's just like okay and then after that the show does a wonderful job of i think just modeling that that's what we kind of forget sometimes is that shows like star trek. Give us plot that. Give us character. But they also give us like bottles just like how to interact. You know how to do this so that you don't have to like ask someone particularly somebody who's trans or not binary like. Hey how could i respect you. Well you know you have this great model here and it's like that's that's what to do and so i think it does a really good job of that so gray is a deras Lover boyfriend And gray as trans man And the idea. There is that gray gray. Had the symbionese in him. Before it was transferred to a darren sort of an emergency situation so gray lives within that memory that collective memory but he also appears to them Just through these kind of apparitions and that's not something that's actually supposed to happen. So a deer Is a little taken aback by why that is why that is where we are discovering. Now gray has stopped appearing at it. Seems like an internal explanation for that is is Gray sort of has this moment where he talks to a darah and says you know. Hey i really want you to like branch out and and and see other people not necessarily romantically but like enjoy you know. Don't just talk to like your. You're dead boyfriend like talk to talk to other ship. Gray is dead and that we think so. We think he is. I mean put it this way. A version of him certainly is dead. The question is are because the apparitions are not something that traditionally happens to people who have the trail semi is that something that is appearing because this human shares this bond with this this trill or is this something else that is going on in the world. I will say this is just as someone who's having the explanation like and you know i. I think that you did a great job explaining this to me but immediately i'm hearing the explanation and i'm like Fuck me they made it complicated people at home and like because immediately like i'm trying to follow that niche like an in my head. I was like okay. So one of them has a symbiotic. Tell me the one doesn't two when it was just like. Oh yeah and you're right. I think you're you're totally right to have that reaction i have. I have a bit of that myself. I definitely was sort of bummed at the the narrative of like. Oh so this is. This is yet another sort of tragedy that were being invited to to cry over and I wish i didn't have to do that. the the only bit of sort of wiggle room. I give the show. Is that you know they've they've taught me in the past that. I don't fully know the full picture. Until until i do because the show is told me in. The show may never fully tell me. So i have to. I feel like. I wanna leave that door. Open a little bit but also agree with the feeling of bummed about that. Yeah like i. i'm curious and again. Like i have not consumed this season yet. So maybe in seeing it it'll pill all the different but at the same time like just hearing about it. I'm just like well all right. It said something like i. It's say like it's something at least they're they're hiring correctly so it tells me that they want to move in the right direction Especially with the whole hugh subplot. Yeah it almost feels like just say something and it's going to be bad but it feels like they wanna kill gays and eat it too like they like. They don't wanna do it. They're like okay. Well we want people to feel this. So we're gonna murder all the gay people but we're not gonna keep them dead. We're gonna find little ways to not believe them dead and it just that feels like another level of exploitation and again like you know. Hey i think that they're still doing really good work with what i've seen But at the same time. I can't help but feel that way. Based on this based on this description and based on the other past very out queer characters who have died or had their partner die So it's just like well all right. Yeah yeah exactly. I mean it's it's it exactly feels that way. I mean i think that the conversations that occur between darah standards and colder and specifically to adair and stats because standards is we see him i he so like closed off any so you know so stem it's And that sort of starts to warm and and and open up with the dera That that to me feels really tender and at times joyful But you're right like underneath that. There is sort of that rumbling of they are connecting because they've both had dead plus right At different times in the in the show that is the thing that connects them. Or i guess i should say yeah they. They've yeah no. I think that's accurate. They both they both dealt with death in their love life in the way discovery. Does i guess the only other thing on top of that. it's not much comfort. Actually don't it's not really a comfort at all. It's just the the whole show it like has really kind of leaned into loss and what. What loss is i mean in in season. three Against spoiler alert here but the the big event that has happened is Because the burn which caused every single ship that had a dial Basically the thing that powers federation ships A all of those ships have exploded so that has killed off a huge number of a huge amount of the federation so the loss that we are being asked to understand is huge. Now that also doesn't really act as any sort of a comfort. I think to to what we're talking about. It's just sort of as if the show is announcing like we are interested in loss and we will take advantage of almost any opportunity we can to explore that unfortunately the other side to it is yes but like can we please acknowledge that. This is a trope that has unfortunately been In in queer related media for very long time. And maybe it's worth pushing back against like that would be. That would be nice. Like an. And 'cause i agree. It seems like a lot of it is very much about that idea of loss and and honestly like that is if anyone is actually familiar with my my writing. That's a huge thing. That i write about like i'm a big fan of writing about that and loss and grief and how to get over these these feelings or at least live with them But to that same degree exactly like you say this is the thing that maybe we can find a way to push back on and nazi as as aggressively as we're seeing it in a lot of these pieces. Yeah exactly. i mean it's i. I hope that discovery recognizes that they are there. the first series to really bring Queasiness to the forefront make it explicit in ways that are deeply authentic You know one could even point to in the next generation The episode that that. I think very rarely gets talked about as a queer episode although i think it very much is is borg Basically an episode which There is a borg named hugh played by jonathan. Del arco who comes back now in card and oh okay. Yep yep so. There's nothing explicitly queer. About hugh the borg but jonathan toews says when he was playing that character and sort of expressing the character's kind of grief but also sort of that feeling of being outside. Jonathan del arco thought. A lot about about being gay on at the dollar is gay. And jonathan del arco at that time Had just lost his lover to to eight as boyfriend to aids and was was working through a lot of that through the character. So you get moments like that in star trek where you are working with actors who are eligible q. plus You're putting them into roles that are not but they are sort of infusing that in And working that in In their own way now we have a situation where that is explicit which is great And it's just you know. Let's let's show everybody. Looks like and what the what that what that really feels like I think that's that's next mission. Yeah like as. I think the stakes can still be high. Stakes can still be life or death but at the same time like we're really for better trump really hurting for queer joy really arctic or trans on binary joy and from what. I've been hearing from a lot of people as much as there. Are those issues as much as there. Are those those what you brought up There are a lot of people that are experiencing a lot of trans and queer joy from these characters. As well i did. Yeah i mean. Definitely with the dera. I i just i. Couldn't i get very emotional over it. I really do i. I i just see In them a lot of what i needed. And i think that that's really meaningful. Because you think you have to think somebody else needs it you know and there's nothing really special about my coming of age story. Somebody else probably growing up the same way watching star trek and that person may be non binary now that person has that and and is able to see themselves in in in the text and i just think that that's incredibly beautiful You know. I just think about it. Now get Emotional about it because it's so it's so meaningful So it's i. I don't i don't ever wanna downplay the the work that blue del barrios doing plays a dera and in alexander is gray It's super special super special and you're not going to see it on the fucking orrville. Yeah i also just want to bring up a something that you brought up earlier. this idea. That of the character initially used she her pronouns and is not only from a human standpoint completely. Okay for a person to stop using one permanent start using another one And get like great respect. Yes absolutely But also it's a thing that i think a lot of people who are whether in good faith bad faith or listening to bad faith actors State why they can't ever cast a trans person in certain roles is because they all have the character like us he him pronouns or like oh you're gonna have them do this early on it's like leave that up to the actor they're comfortable Because like yeah that that is actually very Powerful thing to have a character that you start to get to know and again like have them change their pronouns and then by that point like exactly like you say model that behavior of how to accept that like oh okay yeah exactly. 'cause that's that's what's gonna get you some some joy in the real world is is it's gonna be somebody who is a is a boss or is a lawyer or a doctor. Whatever somebody who who or teacher somebody who deals with many people under them on a daily basis. And maybe that person you know. Correct sir behavioral Not because they told you but because they're watching star trek discovery and they're like. Oh yeah maybe they're you know they might be person but they're now working with people who are non binary in their dislike like. I thought that on to say that. But you know in your mind like yeah. I do what to do car. Yes on the discovery on the orrville at right learn how to be a bigger turned on the orville. All right so we gotta start wrapping up Is there anything. Obviously there's so much about star. Trek disco that we have not talked about We haven't even really brought michel yo like god. I love michelle yeoh and this is like. I didn't really even know her. That well i think honestly. I didn't really know her. That will crazy rich asians and she was spectacular in that. Oh yeah and like oh my god. I love seeing her on this like. She's so good she's so fucking good okay. She said the thing. I guess around her. Because i mean guess like kind of the mission of discovery is tha are discovering the mission of our of our podcast here. This episode is to start talking about the weirdness of discovery And i think that if we are doing that we could talk a little bit about the mirror universe and just kind of say that that place where sort of marriage comes from Also expressed squareness in the in the sense of Pantex rally and I guess to a plethora of sexual identities that are that are not straight And i think that some some folks Embrace that i think that some folks critique that and i think they're totally justified in doing so to say like will why you know why should pantex rally bisexuality sort of equated with the mirror universe which is like all about torture. Everything and i get that. It's early totally. I mean. I think it's fabulous like watching michelle. Yeoh chew up the scenery like that. But but i also understand you know where people are coming from about about wanting About wanting sexual identities gender identities that are totally common have always been quite common To be representative to be represented not as odd or like part of some other thing over year but it just like a normal fact of being a human just. Yeah that's that's what we have now in the twenty first century so there's no reason we wouldn't have that in the twenty third century or thirty first century which is where we are now star trek so sorry for spoiling that i was gonna say wait. Wait wait wait. Wait wait wait now. We're in the thirty percents. All right look. I mean self. Isolation has been weird. I'm has been all sorts of on the move. It's like. I feel like i would know if it was the thirty first century. You definitely would eat as much as it feels like. We are in the thousand. Th year of the joe biden election. We are not quite literally there all right so the questions that we usually ask mine. I'm probably going to have to amend a little bit just again because like i have not experienced these characters so it's hard for me to necessarily judge them but I was it was a transphobic Which one would you want to start with jonathan. Let's start with this at transphobic. I would say no I would say it's it's not. It's not transphobic and in terms of discovery i think. That's what motivates me to say that is simply the transient binary actors. Who are working on it. And i think they they are not participating in a thing that is transphobic. I think that that things can be flawed. That stories can be improved and and that we can make totally valid critiques of that without necessarily being transphobic And i think that the series will get better in terms of this story critiques but I would not Apply the word transphobic to what i've seen. Yeah i and again. I have to kind of amend this based on what i've seen and based on what i'm hearing. I am a little bit nervous but at the same time i've heard nothing but amazing things from other. Transient binary folk. And so as much as i have to put the caveat to everyone Don't just make trans nonbinary. Actors aliens These are not one of them absolutely is explicitly a human character There's just a lot of other questionable things because host the host of assembly out but at the same time again Just in general generally. Don't just make trans people aliens So there's there's some europe's. But i i could see it going well. Yeah exactly i think. That's like cautious. Optimism is a good is a good thing. I here for sure for sure so then it gets to. The question is enjoyable. You absolutely gosh. I mean i've been enjoying it my whole life. I i mean in terms of just star trek as a as a thing And i think that you know this. This has taken the place for me as my favorite star trek used to deep space nine. And now. now it's this And i think that's that's entirely due to What the show is interested in exploring and what the show is is sort of uplifting and and and consistently just being very emotionally honest about. I mean that is what is impressing. Here it's just the the emotional honesty of of a character. Like sylvia tilly for instance who is not somebody that you would ever see in previous star trek but she is just so much like herself and through that makes me feel like yet like any of us could be on that ship because the things that she expresses are so normal. Like i mean. I mean that. Just sort of a relatable is perhaps better word I love that. And i think that runs through a lot of the characters that we see so I enjoy it from a place of I really see myself and plano in in this. And i think that that gives me immense joy i i highly agree. I think it for me. It took getting over that hump of the first couple episodes once they start getting really into the characters and once they start getting really into the story of season one. It's worth it. I i would hope people can move past. 'cause i again like i've i've heard a lot of people that are like us these what i don't know it's just like didn't really me at first couple of minutes You gotta you gotta stick with it. Yeah lurk lurker. While how like okay. So i Yeah so. I guess that's the end of our god star trek. Oh also a highly recommend watching picard. Highly recommend watching the lower deck's which is lower deck's was actually the one that got me into all of this. I was like okay. I guess i'll watch picard. It was just like ok. Guess i'll watch discovery. But it was like it was like all right. They're trying to be rick. And morty but in the star trek universe kind of let's see what they do. And i was really into it. That was those didn't and then i watched the card and i was like all right. The cards really good. And i was like all right. I guess i really should been watching this. From the beginning he'd now i prefer the term trekker than that sort will difficult. Great so jonathan. Tell people to find you if you want them to find you on the internet. Sure so facebook. Jonathan oatis i'm there Twitter at j. elec san instagram at toy underscore circus. It's all toy pictures that have not been updated in a long time. But i'm i'm there and that's where you find me. I'm also the new play. Exchange of anybody does if anybody listening as a playwright and is also on their always sort of trade reviews. Do all that stuff. Yeah and as for me. You can find me on twitter at lucretia. Cheer for l. e. d. a. r. And then the number four you can find these transport. Podcast both on twitter as well. As on instagram at transphobic you could is transport dot com for all of our episodes. 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Whats Up, Fandom and the Ideal Series or Movie Pitch

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Whats Up, Fandom and the Ideal Series or Movie Pitch

"Shanghai Moon. Along. NERD on. What is going on everybody welcome back to nerd on the podcast you didn't need but you deserve and we're all levels of NERD are welcome. We are going to first introduced the host I'm Josh. I'm Tom and Caitlyn and this episode is brought to you in part by the members of the nerd on nation that is powered by a patriarch. As a member of the on nation you do get fun perks like you get early access to these episodes get bonus episodes that nobody else hears you get access to secret servers on our discord all sorts of really really cool stuff even discounts on Merch you get a nerd on nudge to our nerd on updates but yeah, check that out the links are nerd on dot TV backslash Patriot on for our patriotic and nerd on dot TV backslash dischord gets you into that discord. It's really cool place to be It keeps growing every week It's practically tripled in the past. Two months, which is really funny. The lots of fun conversations from gardening comic books. 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So it's legit now but yes, today is a very special episode It was only a matter of time until we at nerd on Meta fellow group of podcasters who spend their waking hours consuming all there is to love about nerd culture and today those two worlds collide as we bring in the host. Of. What's up Phantom Josh Jason? So please everyone give them a huge. Warm. Welcome to our guests. Josh and Jason Welcome to Nerd on the podcast welcome. Welcome welcome. How are you time? Great. Jason go I like. Jason. Great I'm very I'm happy to be here you Yeah. Thanks for having US I. Do have a question that how how does the name of your show go? Time for me please this everyone if you. Should go check out what's Phantom we did an episode with them and we have now established the new rule that you when you say the name of our show, you say. Something Tom did yeah and then and then just the podcast afterwards it's very much. Hey. Well, we can also go into your your name the. Everybody. This is Johnson. Jason John I can speak I. Smell words. Josh and Jason, from what's up. Phantom. So it's what's up comma fandom so Comet. Comic Space Phantom yes. He's got to leave a little bit of room. There is a it's like a the comma calls for a little bit of a break. So what's up? Would you have to do is what's up? Phantom Phantom. Someone says the Phantom You know break a cut them off. I'm from the Great State of Oklahoma. So we like to leave a little bit of room for Jesus. And you'll leave it like when you go to dances. There you have to be a Bible length apart because. Bible knock closed by below our Bible was instead of vertically it was you know This but what you would do what we did because I went to a private school for our senior wingfield. Everything. Not really there were nine of us So. For the bibles that we had we got those little. Gideon both. We out for you guys well. Cheating the system loopholes. Just lost some weight. How are you guys? How? How has the pandemic treating you? Oh. Well I the last time we spoke. I have covid nineteen. Yeah, I gotTa test last Saturday and got my results on Wednesday and I came back positive long. It's been it's been a thing. We technically have a third guest on the show. Yeah This is Kobe. Could be. Years old examining. So I mean, it's it's I mean. So are you have you been pretty? Like. You've been held down good. I've had I have one day of really bad symptoms and then the rest of it I've had like a constant headache. But I mean just tylenol and everything and that kind of. Alleviates a little bit of it but other than that. Yeah. Nothing else no I haven't had fever since. Last Wednesday. So everything I've been okay the quarantine is terrible though. Not A. You're one of the lucky ones one of our members of. On Will he came on the show right right at the beginning of it all because he also got it like the first early you know people that got that contracted the virus in. COMES UP. There's really I was going a almost say that but that's but he it was know terrible time like absolutely terrible actually got it twice show. Strain, and then got the other and can get bedridden king out of bed those like he was just like it was the worst thing. All my so hearing you say like Oh, you know you're on the show and you sound you know relatively healthy. So that's crazy. What Jason How you? I I should on I. I'm fine. Full Stop. Well, the last the last number of months actually my knees are getting. Hurting more, my back is hurting more. Because I've just been so lazy. Just. Look in the mirror and go oh yeah. I see where that extra pound is gone and oh? Yeah. There's a new one. You know. Just, getting older and not helping myself out so. After three months, you feel sorry for yourself like this sucks my life and I might as well eat so. Any poor feelings that I have. It's I brought myself. Other than that. Guys. Great. That's awesome. Show. What's been the the. You, get all this extra time. So are you going through your backlog of things that you wanted to binge or you like rediscovering your steam library? Are you? You know what? What Games are you playing right I I have two children. Shout shout out whoop. And so my kids and I my son I play a lot of video games. So we've got NHL WE. Take advantage of the two free games per month with A. Playstation. Yeah. So anything that's come out in the last five months from playstation I've finished all of. So. Yeah. I'm a night owl i. stay up quite late. Get up early how late? Two three sometimes okay. Okay. Thank you. Fall guys. That was this month on playstation I got it. I haven't started. I was really disappointed that modern warfare two was strictly campaign because. Yeah you play for online. I don't play on line. Oh I'm a forty five year old man who's terrible at video games and I just can't stand getting my butt kicked by. Thirteen year olds with very foul language. So I don't play on line. I also prefer to only get my butt kicked by thirteen year olds with only the Queen's English. Only, I want them to be able to Be Polite but also be very condescending. That's what I-. Nice Nice. I, wish the world was like that online. Everyone everyone being lake sarcastic in posh at the same time. The late. Sending yes. Canadians that happens. Not Wild I play with the one. The ones we well when we when I was playing destiny a lot we had. A group that we were like the ones that were kind of part of our like xbox skill they were they were from Vancouver and they were always very nice believing. They'd be like and you get messed up there and it's just like, oh, I feel bad like I'm sorry. We have a deep dark current of just bad. Impolite people in this country so That's all. That's on the east coast. Here. We're them. Here we are. It's not here. It's it's over there and they're all conducts fans. Oh, not maple leafs fans who. The other day called them with Toronto. Maple leaves. Leaves is the correct Yep these are facts and they're like, no, we're Canadian so. I know. Sports there. Sorry. I'm not a sports guy but yeah. That was just struck me as funny. So. Yes our far audience at home who may be brand new listeners to what's up phantom what is what's up fandom, and how how how did that name came up to be baby who? Tastes, and do you remember that name came up to be? It was a lot of spitballing of. Me Bouncing names off of you. Yeah. You sent me a lot of different names. We originally had a podcast called animation station podcast that we started back in two, thousand, sixteen And we do we put ourselves a whole because it was it was it was me and my co host Gavin and he's an artist and I watch too much stuff. So that's Kinda how we that was our dynamic he and he loves Disney and Pixar and Pixar to me like there's only been one good pixar movie in the rest of them are kind of garbage. Yeah I'm sorry a Bug's life is the best one and all. that. Kind of go downhill they're all of almost the same story really like the marvel movies. Because they take the same formula is. Lost go get the thing but then bugs if you think about it is just seven Samurai. Yes. Very much. So Seven Samurai with a little bit of slavery in their. Out A. Teeny Bit Tina that's where it was sprinkled some on top But yeah, I thought like. We we started the show like that, and then he went off to go do the podcast tears some. Disney. Thing and Oscars. That sounds accurate. So I was just like whatever. So then I bounced around with co hosts and both. The main thing we started doing a lot of interviews that we've had voice actors, directors, creators, artists, comic, book authors, and creators on the show, and that's pretty much what we do where a according to our instagram. We are a phantom culture in demand podcast with discussions, debates and interviews. We cover movies, television comics, animation books, Games space, and more so. Not Space there a space comma space just like in the night. WHY NOT ABOUT ONE OUT SPACE We talk about spaces are next episode that comes out. What's Today? Tomorrow we do star Trek lower deck's. San. ANIME series for. Star. Trek. Yeah. So yeah, we SA- space we can add in the bio. Everything a got to the point where I was kind of tired of just doing animation So let's rebrand will do what's up fandom and Jason isn't even a host or co host he's. Oh. He's he's like my. Person, that I can call. Canadian. Our before I record because somebody backed out that's that's Jason to me and that's that's the Jason that I know in. Love. Oh, I just sit by the phone waiting for a call. Whenever whenever I do collect the the booth that he's in right now he has to go over like there's a little statue, a Mozart open the thing and press the button. Side down the fire. I see that I just imagined every time. You're sitting next to the phone that like it's guy love is playing in the background. And you just like there's like this whimsical like the anime style roses and sparkles like. Dreaming of of Josh. The phone Caitlyn we've never met but. You get me. I'd like to think that whenever I need him like like what happened. When we recorded with you guys like my friend canceled almost like chasing by we love and then He. Noticed Jason Slowly turns you need me to notice you. Josh. Taylor. I like Jessie. Chan. That's that's good I want to. Of course. I mean. Go ahead Josh, how is the process of rebranding? How how has the process of been of rebranding Ben for you? Because I mean, it's like you go for years as one thing and then you're like never mind we wanna do this thing like has it just been more? It sounds like it's almost more freeing because you're like, oh, wait now I don't have pigeonhole myself now I can might topics can be I can span a greater gamut of topics and stuff like that. How has the process been? It's been it's been really good. We haven't seen a dip in our episodes. So that's been good Yeah it was. It was one of those where it just happened we did the. The rebrand on our fourth anniversary. So it was like it was like well, the first day one would be perfect because that's literally When we had the first and so yeah. So we would like you know four th anniversary we're GONNA. Take everything that they loved and destroy it and good replace it with something and we did like full on bazooka like well, it was nice. Exactly. It's full subversion tasteful subversion but yeah, it's it's been good I mean Eilly the social media stuff it's like. I can't ever tell anything. People leave then come comeback on social so like that doesn't really matter. My main thing is like the views and the views hasn't haven't dipped so. I guess you're corkscrew is still there with you. Yeah. That's a big deal just because like, yeah, like you establish for three years And You know what which brand is and what you can guarantee your audience and then to change it up. You know that you have the time old phrase, I don't like change. So it's it's very it's kind of courageous to still have that instead of just being like all right cut the show, make a brand new show and hope everyone you know. you know migrates over because I. think that's what I think. A lot of streamers had worry about with like mixture dying or like twitch contracts, and like kicked off, they're going to youtube or stuff like that. It's it's it is a tough thing for you know the day of you know digital media content creation to to do that so. It's a good sign that you know you've actually cultivated a community with what you're doing and not just like you know there's there's like getting numbers you can farm numbers from anything, but it's like when you have a really core community there with you who's just as excited as you are about what you're doing and creating and the things you're talking about and when those people shift over with whatever decision changes you make, because they want to support your creativity and your content creation. That's like that's that's awesome. Yeah. So that's that's wonderful to hear. Slow. It's been nice. It has been very freeing to just Kinda do whatever we want now. Like we Jason I did an episode with Jonathan. Mulberry who isn't an author who did the rotten ruin series What. Was that the? Where will thing? Jason? Crazy name the Wolfman Wolfman. That's. Wildly wrote the novelization of the film. Starring who is not? Conceal del Toro. Anthony Anthony Hopkins. It's my favorite where Wolf movie and I had no clue he had done that and I said that and he goes, Oh, I wrote the of course I immediately stars in my eyes it was lost weight. Reduced me to Anthony Hopkins. Jason Jason Definitely the one without like Jonathan the he's the like a four time Oh shoot. The up our award winner. Yeah. It Edgar Allan Poe. I don't get was Po no, it's not. It's an author I can't remember. Scary horror author person. Her. FAVORITE ONE GIRLS Of the Earl. Stein. Award. Scary horror. Author Person Yeah I this. Time So. Role. Doll. mean he hates children, but you know it's a little. Bram stoker awards. Bram stoker that's it. Yeah. He's a four time like Bram Stoker Board and like when I got him on I was like cool. He writes a lot of horror stuff and I'm a worst bag jason, you like horror. The beyond then talk with him about horror movies and they did and I was just kind of sat back and I was like. He's one of those things We don't WanNA spend much time on that I know, but he's one of those dudes where you okay he's a horror writer. And he's accomplished a lot of this stuff, but then you start talking to him in his. The scope of his work it just. It's multiplies. It's huge the work he's done so and he's he hasn't been doing it. That long what was it like since two thousand six was his first book wile and he's Nice. Already has mix. Movies and he had a show on Netflix and crazy here like dude slowdown. You want to. Catch up. Please he's definitely the poster child of it's never too late in life. And because I may like a more degree Blat Bell in. Jiu Jitsu like he's in like the people. Like. The Black Belt Hall like the Karate Hall of fame or something or martial arts hall of fame of Milwaukee Hall of fame, and it was just like the board late guys than so much stuff and there's a yeah I Started wrote a book and boom you're like okay met. Merola. decided to pick up a pen and just make. Okay. Great thanks. Baby became friends with Jorge Romero and. anyways we're not him. That does give our audience inside of what they can expect from you guys this show. But I do want to ask something for that I was recently listening some episodes and I wanted you to kind of talk about a little. It was Kinda made as a joke. What have you settled on because before your audiences known as the ASPERGER'S Years for enemies. What is the new name for your audience? Fan What's Phantom? It's Wolf. Will. So if you subscribe offers, yeah if you subscribe to your sub Woofer. really good. It's very good. It's all we got to. Stop Recording now what? Role the Organization of organic food. Cloth. Oh, how did you? How did you decide that because? I feel like on the show you just Kinda just came down the spot. That's how it happened while we were just talking about it was that Oliver and I were just talking about that. And we were just talking and it was like Oh sub woofers. and. All in the place. Place, that's crazy. So I mean it's funny that you guys now the show in the description that you've read off. And also start twenty sixteen just like us in sticking assigned start. Yeah. Taken this long for us for for us to just you know finally do a show together. What happened what's going on so much time. A There are millions of guests again, there's one point two on I tunes. So Josh, actually reached out to us he founded contact sheet. Even noticed by some Pie. I Love was playing. Yeah. Jackie Chan, was like, oh, how about these guys and we've reached out? Four actually. They had Jeff Nimoy on their show as well. Jeff is a friend of our friend of NERD ON. He's been on a few times. but yeah, they had a jeff. Doing his little circuit for. An amazing movie that everybody needs to check out. Agreed. But now. So obviously, you've talked a little bit about like one of the guests you've had on but out of all the guests you guys have spoken to in no particular order do was there some that were the most like suppressing? The you had or some of the best ones that you didn't expect. We're going to be phenomenal your favorite top three right now. In known for no no particular. I would say probably the number one that's. The most to me and the show was probably Jason. Simpson because. I mean. It's like 'cause we met. Because I had Jesse in Portland, Paula Raquel on before, and then I don't think I met you until it was and it was a wasn't it Atlanta Yup. Yeah and that's where we met and it was just Kinda like, Hey. Yeah. If you WANNA come on the show on the show and then now you've been on seven episodes so. Yeah out to our audience. You are what's up fandom. CONGRATS you're. Co Host. Filmar Israeli. Cool. I think. His episode really kind of like bumped up there. Anytime. We do any of like the dragon prince episodes. They always do really well us the same with like the miraculous lady bug episodes. As, do well, we had Christina on, but we've had bryson mellow on quite a few times. Yeah. Yeah. They're very nice jewels, Diong who is she's in. England, I believe she was the voice of like four of the characters and wake Fu back in the day before Netflix's got it in redubbed everybody Yeah as Yes. They continued to do well of. More jobs also loving Netflix's yeah you. Need you need an podcast hall. WHO EVERY CRAZY I've been trying man I'm like, Hey, y'all need like a podcast like promote your stuff. Yeah. That is like at least a thousand dollar idea it is at least at least two. Thousand. Six. Hundred. Billion idea but at least a thousand. In a heartbeat was really good. We had them on like. Two weeks before their short came on. We had Beth. Esteban. Oh, I don't know I love all of our episodes. They're all great There's so. It's not come out yet that was. That was okay. Oh, all because I wasn't improbably. Yeah. So. Busy playing Raff the real friends. That's true. So I played. There's so much pain in this conversation. Therapies having an essential. To meet one of my childhood heroes like Jaro Seth. I love digi mongering saying I got. Him and he's going to be coming back on soon. So I'm Thomas they come to here. I just WANNA see automobiles last solution baby you know with his voice in it. So but yeah it's it's fun to see. I mean. I mean, also you kinda through a little bit of a curveball we're doing something of different for audience and we're going to have we typically have our guests come in and we talk a little bit about them and then the later half we will talk about how Something, they don't normally get a chance to talk about so like with Jonathan frakes you know we gotta. Talk. About. Roma or Totoro and Jeff Nimoy, we're able to talk about like star wars or wherever the new things he's working on because. He is busy all the time. So So with you guys, you know we didn't have like something. That's like, okay. What's you guys? Favorite movie we're GonNa talk about it. You guys came up with do that like on a thing where you just like what's your favorite movie who I mean that's like a boring thing to. Phantom thing that. WHO Does. up with that no phantom. So. It just like in normal Josh Josh Chan branding. This show got hijacked rules got changed and we are going to be sharing or pitching our ideal movie slash series. So that's that's a little interesting and find. So I mean I I've never done one of these before. So Josh, never done of these ihop like two in the morning. I've done. Very specific. Client. Under the this was like with our other host Corey has been like, Yo dog would if they make like you know a new x man who did you want and then it's like that's what we do. The muppet. Babies. No I worked at like my job was at a movie theater and so on. Usually Friday Saturday nights We made it aware just. are like, we as the managers closed so that we could be. There, for the entire time, just kinda like chat and get paid because it was the wild west back in two thousand, five to eight and I didn't care about money. So we we're a we would we would stay there and we would go like the last movie would get done and it'd be around like one o'clock. We would till out all the machines everything make sure everything was cleaned. So it'd be route two o'clock and then we I hop and we would just chat and. Just have have a good time because hops. The only thing opened at two o'clock in the morning Shawnee Oklahoma. Tons Act. Out. Sharpton that's what they prefer to be. Is Content of Oklahoma strayer shopped. You Laugh. But that was Shawny, high school's graduating classes like theme two. Straight Outta Sharpton Oh. I've I've done quite the few midnight I hop trips and the I say, yeah. That's definitely a good time to have like those dumb conversations where you're hanging out with like. You know to me this before like car I think Galaxy Brain, galaxy, brain conversation. Like me and my rest of my nerdy friends were. Girls or talking about like gopher were were going to go to college and all that stuff. It's like I don't know. Why sorry you and your friends samborn Girls College. We're trying to figure out our lives. We're all getting. You know pressure from pants like if you do not go to college all got. So it's stressful and there's only chance for us to talk. Love. Our Age. Don't you don't know. Me anyways. been. So. I kinda I Kinda WanNa see what your thoughts were first Josh. She Chan that's your name now. Time We need to try. Wh wh you and you also have several liberal Need to establish the Josh always break the rules and that's his brand that's just gives everybody else a prompt and then he Breaks. Jazzy Sean. Breaker of rules. Yes. I of his first of his name Yeah. So I did I've got like three good ones and then A. Determined. I mean I think they're all great. I'd like your like your enthusiasm one of them, I kind of Jason You Kinda know it was a tweet I did earlier this week I wanna see a relic hunter reboot. Come you guys remember relic hunter from up that same it was around that same time. The ANDROMEDA was on guess remembering Ramadan. Drama Oh. Yeah and Let's see 'cause it would go like Lynn like Cleopatra Twenty Five Twenty Five. I remember you have these like weird Scifi that weren't Sci-fi. It felt like. They're on SCI FI, but they should be the lost world like Sir Arthur Conan. Doyle's the lost world. Yeah like those type of shows I love those type of shows and like relic on her head was started Tia Carrere and. Jason. Who is Nigel Mike I. I totally forgot about tear. I just know him as Agile Krisztian Anhalt Chris. Yes. I want I want to reboot it with Lindy booth isn't with Can Fukuhara. and ask Sydney Harper. And then I want. I was thinking for Nigel Bailey I want someone who can be funny but also be serious. So I went with bike I don't know how to pronounce his name correctly Schuyler. Gives gives Dono from Santa Clarita Diet. Okay. The Kid. Oh. That's good. That's good I. think it'd be great because I would like to see him like in that series role but I do know that he can be kind of funny. So was like, yeah, I think that would be really good but yeah, relic hunter it's like a mix between uncharted and like Indiana Jones where she's like A. Professor at some school that was supposed to be in California but it was all filmed in Canada. So. There was wasn't it? Yes. In Toronto, you're WHO's in WHO's in an episode of relic hunter that I watched. nope. Jahic. I was like it's Murdoch. Ashes a Canadian treasurer you treasure he is. He is. So it would have to be on the CBS all access AP. Oh? Yeah. Because that's the. The parent company Yeah I mean it's one of those like I'm sure they. I who has the right relic hunter. Sure those like after two thousand and three they were like. Didn't care anymore. I want. Somebody. To. Pick it up. But I think it would be cool to have like a grittier reboot. Because It was UPN and like. Nine hundred ninety nine so like you can't get like too crazy with it but I think it's leave really cool to have. Something now plus what's your? What's your vibe with it? So you said it was like uncharted Indiana Jones what is your grittier feel feel. Lake. Wyoming like with uncharted in Indiana Jones. Like the there wasn't ever like the violence was very much that like. Like alias was more violent than relic was. I mean, yeah you can throw mix it with alias. Being just like a be a woman. So it's like you know kicking, ass you know do whatever she needs to do to get the job done. Well, yeah. That's was Sydney Sydney Harper. That's all right. Jason. Do. You have one. Please tell you have more than one and I'm not the only one that just has. Failed Gogo. Failed really hard because I kept thinking of great ideas that I didn't realize we're actually ideas. Out there, but listen I. I there's two things. I. Really Love I. Love Where Wolves and I love Western's and I would love to see. I'd let see a movie but I would also like to see like a ten episode net flicks run of. But I'm not sure how it would. I'm not sure how it come together. If it was just cowboys fighting, where will I love the idea of the where wolves Good guys what if it's like Van Helsing? Westerner. But then like, yeah, you get the Werewolf side of it. So it's like you get a drama between the two I don't know now you're talking the film. Van helsing the character lie you just take him in a Western setting? Yeah. y'All do that mine is technically wants Monster Hunter Yeah now see van Helsing I had great hopes for that because I love the monster genre and I, love came. Way Too many times I. Love the idea of a squad like. A team of. People who all have special skills they go into kick but I love the idea of the monster aspect of that as well. If only, there was a movie. The had monsters as a squad. Thank you. But I love the idea like what we were talking before where it's a lot more greedier and violent because Van helsing the movie itself is it's just goofy and he doesn't. So Camping Fun I. I did love how he ripped his own skin off might that so metal it's one of my favorite where we'll transformations. Thinking back like it's it's like Oh my God. So. Even into aware wolf. Transformation. He's like pretty good duck like that. I wish. He would have said I saw team one of the top movies in the. Apple TV store recently, I was like Nah. New. Life. Resurgence. It was the movie not the series. Yeah. The movie. Wow So Jason Back to your your Western. Werewolf man that's where I've got it so far but. Minus the cheese and just visceral again Wolfman. Sort of edge to it and a lot of people didn't like it and maybe they thought the transformation was cheesy. But just I'm Rick Baker Fan. In maximum Sabine Yeah and just if you get all those practical affects. It just takes a lot more time and probably more money but. I'm all for that kind of stuff and throw it in in the wild west. Yeah. That's yeah. That'd be a perfect movie if it was done properly. Well I'm in it so far. Man Cowboy. So. I'd be the guy that the hunter you know comes comes across in the woods and I'd say, Hey, being in these woods for. Older years. Hey stories make your blood boil sudden something. I don't know Jason. Draft as. I just want to be like the first person in like episode one who's like walking walking through like in the darker whatever in wherever new. Mexico this is. And that will be filmed in Canada. Vancouver in Vancouver. Sunny Sunny deserty pink OOver. I WANNA be like walking through the forest and I want to be attacked and absolutely speed like like that. That's that's what I want. To Red Plaid shirt. So it's read just so we have that. Wink. He'd be the cold open kill I would love to be the cold open kill. Your. Wanted to do and like if I could be in anything in star. Trek I WANNA be like I guy dead like that's what I want. I want to be like going to be. Like I WANNA be like a red shirt or you know if we go in the later seasons yellow shirt, that's what I want I want to being down to the plant. I WANNA, sing through the floor of the enterprise I that's what I wanna be I wanna be person that dies. Walk High. Career goals do. Sadly. I can't be in it because Westerns aren't too fond of. People so unless it's a fantasy. Exactly Shanghai noon. And everyone do confirm their Jianghai, Moon? We're under stuffing I I'm I'm here right now shame invested now how do I? Forty, five year old white dude. Not Make that Super Racist I. Need This me executive producer. We've got the name. We're GONNA PITCH IT Netflix Saint Fox. We know you're listening his last name has twelve letters. Can we get the guy from into the badlands in it? Yes, 'cause he's a bad ass. So such a bad ass the guy that was in to murder. Wasn't. Tomb. Raider. He can be relic hunters. Crowd. Everybody in it's all like one big cinematic universe the. All of the nerd on what's up Phantom Cinematic Universe universe. The. The no we'll. See you the no coo the no wolf but there are wolves. Did we I just gotTa Google make sure there is no Shanghai Moon. Guys I'm I'm GonNa Roll with this. I love the idea of Shanghai Moon is the adult video version of officially out of this conversation busy. Writing. Shanghai. Poon. But Better Yeah. Josh Caitlyn what's your guys is ideal show series. Pitch manner I read. John at the end, you gotta listen for that. I'm not used to it I. GOTTA, learn? So, CAITLIN Oh through back at me. All right. So The kind of show that I would want to. Create would be I'm very hooked on midnight diner. I don't know if you guys have heard of that before. Is. It's it's A. It's a show in Japan at like this little bar and this guy called the master runs at and it's he has the same menu every night but the guests come in and they can ask whatever as long as he's got the ingredients, they have to bring it otherwise and each episode is based on like a dish and The story is based around like their personal experiences connected to this dish. So that is the show that I love. And the show that I would love to create would be kind of an inter dimensional. Cafe Diner. Where this person is running this diner and all of like it would be very surface level. So you could not have to deal with all the Ip's but like different characters from different shows. Coming into the diner. So Space Coast to coast basically but a little more grounded not as not as comedy more like different perspectives coming from different worlds because just like in the real world's like like going to hop to in the morning, you're going to see a colorful cast of characters. Maybe there's a family on their way to grandma's maybe there's like the punk rock band that's on tour. Maybe there's like a like a little old lady eating. By herself and you're like, why is she here and it would give you all these different perspectives from all these different worlds so that it could kind of ground the the that kind of to diner experience and give you those perspectives of all these different kinds of lives but kind of remove you from the reality enough that you can kind of put yourself in those shoes a little bit more. So than is the master, the master from doctor who. Know so in my mind. Because I love layering concepts in my mind, the person who's running the diner is actually a writer who is trying to conceptualize all of these different people spend his life. So Stephen King Yeah. Stephen, and the the restaurant is the Dr, tower and just between. In Different Direction but you don't have the creative stint in my mind because I know that you function differently than I. Do have you know I, mean pitch you kind of do mix of hey, it scream mixed with fight club with you know clueless twist as a Grittier do. This would be less off. Thought out. Really Connor. Caitlin with the tone be like A. Sort of like the. Twilight zone any sort of surreal sort of feel or More grounded than that yeah. Okay. So it would feel like you're walking into an Ihop at two am like you would have that very realistic feeling of like you're walking into a habit to in the morning. The grounding thank of like Gumbo like a how Gumbo has very realistic set sometimes. But then you have all these different kind of you have sometimes they're like CG sometimes they're cartoon. There's a variety of things that are walking in and that would be more representative of the different perspectives that they have as they're coming in and like a visual representation and like you already understand when you look at them, they're like they're going to have a different perspective than you do. That doesn't sound grindal came back. On the execution that would. Look very fantastical but feel very grounded wall like the warm. My favorite g twilight zone episodes is like the guy in the diner and it's like this alien telling this dude, he's like Oh we're over aliens and we're taking over the world and and then like he reveals he has a third eye and then like at the big twists are everyone. Spoilers the guy he's talking to is a of another alien race and it's like actually were taken over. We destroyed your fleet and he has a third arm and that's it. It's very simple. It's just that them talking about it, and then it's like you thought long that you were taking over we're taking over and I was like Oh, shit I gotta go. That's that's the kind of. So toilets closer. Line. Kidding. So not not Josh, Chan but regular Josh Kun. Josh, Josh? Kun. I. There are two kinds of I was thinking more series based for myself I love movies, but. Like to have ideas like really unfold these ideas that I have I think would be cool as series There are two types of shows that usually grabbed my interest. It's usually like dark comedies Or something that like. Also very stylistic shows like umbrella academy dark comedies like even dexter is like a dark comedy sometimes So like. Two ideas that come to mind are. I also love the walking dead, the comic book series and the show I think it would be cool to have come like a series that is Zombie apocalypse, but it's like. Way In the future where Zombie Apocalypse has happened. and. The world has kind of basically. Come back it's not move totally comeback, but I always thought that it would be interesting to have the idea of like. So when the Zombie Apocalypse I happened, this guy is stuck in a house in there's like a horrid going through his his like it's coming to attack and. I haven't figured out the logistics of why this would happen, but he has a baby and he has to make the decision. And he leaves the baby bear. And Nothing happens to the baby and somehow the babies found in the baby grows up and like later on. Somehow the the the they're reunited. and. It's like I. Don't know it was like an idea that that had come to me because I was thinking of like the coral and Rick dynamic of just like the father son and Zombie apocalypse kind. Car No no. But it just made me think of a little bit of that of just like this like dynamic duo but I don't know it was just an idea. I. Don't know all the logistics I didn't go through super detail is just like that is the general idea. I mean it sounds like dealing with a lot of like relationships and mental health because you'd also be dealing with PTSD Yeah you have zombies. Part of anywhere at any point in time but you're also dealing with like reconciling decisions that were made in the past in the President I mean would you? I mean I guess there was always GonNa be test. PTSD is non genre specific wells and say like if you're if something's normal fact, I was gonNA say like car accidents give people TSA so. Wouldn't have L.. I if it's normal, it's it's interesting play. It's almost the world that I almost liken it to is almost like the last of us world where society is kind of. Its issue wack There are towns than societies that have managed to build themselves back up and have some sort of semblance of Their own normalcy, the of your normalcy in this new world but I get. So kind of tired of the Zombie apocalypse is like happening right now kind of thing where it's like, what is panic porn? Yeah. Panic porn whereas like. But what about like afterwards like sometimes when I'm watching those kinds of movies or shows I'm like, but I wanNA know like. The future of it like. You. All the time in the prison for like a season and a half and then yeah, that'll happen to the prison and. Then it goes bad. Then what's No one? Watches the show anymore. Okay. My other idea is a dark comedy. Let me let me go next and then we'll go round robin. Oh. Okay. 'cause Josh Josh. Five. Okay I've said this before but. This one. All your. This is also an IP. So this is already being in productions are Kinda sucks that you know that's going to happen without me but I was thinking like a trilogy of Blue Beetle Films and this is a DC comics, blue beetle originally Ted Kord and he like got his mantle. So He's Ted towards the second one then Hymie Ray a third one, but my story would start with honey raise NBA Part trilogy so but they're all individual films anyway. So I'm thinking much more kind of in the lines of not really. Not, really DC with a very stylish but a little bit of like you know there are things that are established. They're things aren't established already in talk you through it but Is Typically in New Mexico and Hispanic Latin were is free to categorize it as but he's like a skater dude right and most of his friends are actually like different descendants of indigenous people and so what I really wanted to kind of have as like this social subtext is kids going missing and having this conversation of human trafficking. And what you find out is like Ted, Kord brings his facilities to You know the city where they live in to like we're GONNA try to get kids into these school programs to like to get into tech, the technology coding and Design and Mechanical Engineering All this is happening while like random kids in high school be missing. So there's a little bit of high school vibe and stuff like that Kind of amazing spider man but except the main character isn't a complete douchebag. And, ends up happening is headquartered gets killed by death, stroke and assassin. And when this assassination happens explosion happens and then hymie res- gets bonded with the SCARAB scarab If you're familiar DC comics is alien technology is the one piece technology that Ted Kord never was able to decipher understand because deleon But in Bonn, to them is a little bit of that Vinnie, you know like Oh i WanNa kill things but you know we can't. So there's that aspect of it we are finding out is that death stroke has actually been the one kidnapping these kids but they're not just. Kids, they're all kids with the MEDICI, they all have superpowers and so these kidnapping so that he can take them off and then sell them to the highest bidder whoever country wants to create super soldiers. And then it comes to a head where. You know they fight and you know Ted Kord had become this mentor character for heavy raise Anti Mireya. Defeats them yet the next few films Kinda like go into like how I'm used to learn how to use his abilities better than just you know an impulse and you bring in the other young heroes like. Wally West Flash and beast boy and how they all had their mentors but I never did and so there's a little bit of a conversation of like youths without you know parents and adults and stuff like that. So you know each film will have some kind of subtext about like real world problems. And not just be like it's a hero movie and the good guys win. Because I think those are boring. And I had to be about something. So that's that would be mine. Obviously Warner Brothers would have the rights to it in D. C.. So I have no say in the world and there's Hbo Max Series, GonNa be making about it. So that was always my idea is do at three film thing and it's like self contain at the third film at the end of it they would have like A. Of, Young Heroes and that's you and it's cool. Now they go off and we're done and Ray is now ready to take on his own protege. So it's kind of like I am going to be there for the people for like to be the person that I never had. What would you name this team of young superheroes? They're they've typically been called the titans but but I mean the titans now another TV show but I would just call him I. Mean they're typically young justice. but yeah. I mean that would have been my thing off full on honed in. I mean the team. I have an idea. The team that's That's that's how the series then they're. They're to be like man, we should come up with a team name I. Put it on credits roll. Chances like. Yes. Fantastic. Oh, see that wartime guys I got the name at. All. Right. So which Josh wants to go first for the second one? How many how many do you have Josh? Just have one more day I'll go. So. I want. A you guys know the black cauldron. Wonderful movie from Disney like ninety five. Four five, six turn something very underrated Disney film with the the only Welsh. A. Princess Miss Eliane Way. is always snubbed from Disney. And replaced with teachers who aren't even princesses. To be fair looking at you Milan. Sorry. Technically neither neither is Pocahontas or marijuana just saying. I mean daughter of a chief, I feel like it's pretty like it's high ranking. Castle and you know all. The. Scientist I guess Okay All Right List. I, want a chronicles of predation series so that we can actually do the Black Collagen and like the book of three like all these you know. Wonderful. Things, make it. A series so that we can actually deep dive and. Be Really cool about it. Because there's what five books so I mean, you've got like five seasons right there and we follow our wonderful cast of characters like Taryn and Elian Way and a or Flam. and. The Hornets. Jason Isaacs as the Horn King because think that would be pretty fun for him to play. Cool And then is it Robert Ceyhan is that his name from umbrella Adamy? Guy Who plays in Laos I know. God. I want him to be a flame. He's like this lake. He's a bard and like a king of like a very small country. So it's it's one of those like his country doesn't matter. So he's like the half the time he's just like I'm just going to be a bar. And he just traveled around and she says traveling minstrel. So like yeah, it's Pretty Fun I. Think you'd be really great at that but I won't like unknown characters for Terron. Elian way. Get them in that like fifteen, sixteen year old range. So that way they can grow through the series as they grow through the book. A yeah. Not Casting a twenty, five year old or thirty year old actor to play someone who's like sixteen years we're all and high school. I don't want the cast of Riverdale. I mean. People if browse wants to be in it, I will call spouse being the series. Fair Fareham but yeah, I would love a chronicles of Dane. Series but I think he would just call it like per day. And then you can just kind of like almost like the witcher but I mean for marketing purposes that they have to call it the Black Hole Jim Chronicles because you know. Well, they just don't think audiences are smart Disney has the rights to it's still like they went and like scooped up the rights again. After the best case just in case, it'd be like a subtitle. Could it be like? In, then subtitled the blacks it's it's new moon the twilight saga. Like if you do just as per Dane, then you can have it the book of threes the black call because since they each episode, each new season would be the next tidal book. SMOCKING J., the hunger games, Hungary's. That's like we get it. The you like is. He would be cool because. It. You, it's fantasy. It's very much dungeons and dragons like the entire thing is dungeons and dragons And I think. It would be really cool in this day and age because of the winters popular game of thrones popular. Lord of the Ring Amazon show is gonNA come out. So I think you know if Disney was. Smart they would jump on it but. Disney. The sixty billion dollar company if they were smart you. Know. Where you could film. And Vancouver. Mexico felt that. I mean nothing screams, Welsh countryside like Canada Canada. Facts. Yeah. Have you been here? I've sent pictures. Dude. I'm basically in Wales right now there's. Long. does anyone else have a second one I? Have a second one by You go I have another Oh Jason You. Have, I have really done once I. WanNa Hear I. Love Him One of. Keep it really quick. I'm kind of fan of seeing what like the bad guys are doing in movies how? As opposed to just following the heroes. So sort of in line with that, there's two one would be called bought occur. We follow Clearance Bodecker through his. Life of crime. Before he runs in to Murphy and Murphy, turns into Robocop and then that's the you know that's the funny but if I Love Darts. Bacher starts as you know a decent dude and then something happens with his family and he spirals and then the city just sort of implodes and he takes advantage of that becomes a bad guy. Episode Arc on Netflix maybe you're who knows it's A. They. Have a new netflix series about the nurse from one floor. Who's Nice? That's right. Yeah. That totally fits. The other one is not a bad guy so much but I am Jaaz is one of my favorite movies Bruce and. What's that? Show would be called. Shah. I know wouldn't be called. Shaw. That's who that's who star in it, but it's all about. Robert Shots character who was on the Indianapolis when he was younger and he survived that and he tells that great story But I, think it'd be interesting to see where again it always ends in. You know he's dead. We all know he's dead but go back. What was he before? He was a a salty. Sea Captain, and before he was in the navy and he got almost eaten by sharks I think there's a lot of territory to explore their. No. One's going to be as good as Robert Shaw but it'd be fun to explore that it's Nice Fun is bought occur. But that reminds me of like if they were to do like a movie about Samuel Jackson's character before deep Lucy. Yeah because you know how he's like he thinks fast. The ice it's like I want to see him kill people and eat them raw. Resting. because. It's like they so much hype on like you survived living in an avalanche. What's that's like an awesome thing going underwater and it's like that's probably one of my favorite movie moments ever epic speech and John Shark. Spoiler spoiler spoiler. Came out already six years ago. You don't you don't like to be safe. You and I are the same brain. HOW ABOUT EXECUTIVE DECISION? When A. What's his face? Seagal get sucked out of the airplane. What did he do before that? He wasn't a bad guy but we feel that. Seagal. Complete Moron. He knows Kyodo. So I mean like. Maybe the character had some fun and who cast I don't know. Tom Hardy. Listen. Everywhere. But also, you can have will Arnett so hardy as quint in the Prequel as shirt. Yeah. Those are my their dumb. Okay. This is GONNA be ten second to go. Elevator were everyone says, who's the guy that did that? Dude, the travels through time. And through like you know a half hour Sitcom you sort of feel or not Sitcom but F- funny comedy feel he invents things Tom and I were talking about this. Guy That make block the moly. Yeah this due to go somewhere ends up like cutting bread into slices. He makes the wheel and then he ends up going back to Delaware with with his time machine. So it's like if Dr Sam Beckett was really just that's exactly Futurama. Time. Making mistakes making June particles. Killing, do you have a second one? Idea you. And of course, it's More conceptual than anything but I I WOULD WANNA, make a movie. About someone who's create creativity is the reality. So they have to like kind of turn it off all the time. Because like they can't see the normal world when it turned on. Wow. But at the same time, they're dealing with mental illness that is personified as like like horror type creature. So whenever they see their creative worlds, their mental illness is like running through and possibly attacking them, and then they're like switching between creative worlds and real world and having to like bridge the gap between the two and find out how to live like a normal person. That's terrifying. VR glasses right. Yeah So. You know it'd be. It'd be messing with reality a lot because you know when you turn and everything's different an how inception kind of works it'd be like that. But with like everything, your brain could ever think of creatively question. Yes. The illness or the thing the manifestation of the thing does that change is it always the same? That would be the one same element. That's so scary. Wondering of like it'd be kind of like the pennywise of like. David. tennant. diety. Wow that's good. That's good. But yeah, that I've actually been tossing that concept around for a very long time but didn't quite have the words to. Sounds like a dope video game actually to oh? Yeah. No, it'd be. It'd be horrified it'd be an empire. There'd be shows there'd be, movies or video game. I Have I have like the beats of it, all like a patch that in my head and like the type of people that would be in different places and surrounding that person. But I, just haven't written it out yet. Listen feeling when I get high moon made I'm going to have a little bit of clout and yes. I. Call Hell Yeah I'm so about it. I also. Make a cameo. Run through. And Task I, all of us are going to die there. There's been a bit of recasting in chronicles Dane Jason Isaacs. David tennant as the horned king. That's good. David tennant. He's good. He's great at stuff. I haven't Jeff I have a second one I think. This is my second one I think we'll ask one I could just go off following us all day but one of I've been on this recent kick I thought about this specific for the show. Anyone, watches. Yeah yes. Yeah. A little bit. They have. It's A. Netflix. I think there's a new one coming out. Yup, eight so I. All my friends, but I'm not so. You could be in this one. Yes I'm back in. But this one. Zero just like give it a voice now. Go Tom deal possibly accent. So this is for mine was a little bit more like I really enjoyed. The first is always that I think America's got which was new century zero, which was just tournament based shown our crap and then the later on like release chaotic century, which was much more of like this war felt a little bit more gundem like and how like kids get recruited into rebellion the stuff like that which really kind of like expanded my idea of like Zoidze are kind of these like. Allegorical thing for weapons and stuff like that. But I really did like the organized system that they evolve. So things like how Far Like how Josh Josh John. John's idea of going to high fantasy. Like what if you do it where it's a little bit more blended with like legend of Zelda. And I'm thinking of a little bit like breath the wild where you have the divine beasts So zoysia certain choices are like these ancient macintoshes. Late, these you know people who had connections with like ethereal spirit power and the power of earth, and they use it just to defend the earth and stuff like that, and so like there are these group of Knights and soldiers who were you know the chosen pilots of these opioids and it's like this one kid who's the quote unquote like seeker he's about trying to find them all so they can stop all Blah but then he finds out that he's one of the chosen few and gets the laggers zero voiced by Jason Simpson. So. It and what you find. I mean and this is a quote that you could just throw in there. That, maybe the pilot who plight of the luxury before him was his dad and that his dad spirit is inside the leg zero. You. Connection. So, you can do all that stuff because I won I loved the name blended the CGI and anime art styles together in a way which wasn't like like shocking for me because I'm not been too big of a fan of the Cell Shady. anime. But then I realized how Zoe did it, and also you know you play with the whole like how well you pilot is a little bit of a representation of how far you're characters developing and the the the conflict between them and the antagonists. Also, what are they fighting four maybe could fucking subverted in season two and be like actually these were like the dark guardians instead and like the true people like the angels you know protect the planet were like these were you know substitutes who we were at may become the bag is you do allow with man like because they zones in such a way where it's like. Like transformers where it's like they kind of just meant to sell toys. So when you add lower to it, it just feels good because like at least it means something. So. I was thinking about that where it's like a mobile suit. Fantasy Action so that that's it. ANIME thirty minute episodes thirteen episodes this season. For three seasons. Miami my second idea. is a dark comedy. And the only. Idea that I like the only concept that I have is just like a blanket statement is that it is a married couple the have some sort of addiction. And and it can be anything whatever the the hot addiction to talk about at the time is and they need to binging and they decide to. netflix engine. But there's going to be original. So it's GONNA be. They decide that it's time to change my ideas like alcohol addiction that's the. But I realized that it can be changed anything and they decide that they want change and they want to get they wanna be done with it and. In order to cope, they become serial killers together. New Addict. Becomes their new addiction, which isn't as healthy series. New. Day. I Dunno Jane's I duNNo. Killer, addiction but that's It's on USA. It could be like right after Rizzoli and isles on TNT that would be pretty thin. Right, after Rizzoli Niles. kind of think of like Santa Clarita Diet just kind of like that really kind of silly. I mean it's Dr. Yeah that's it. That's good. Has Everybody has everybody on I think Josh. Last has one. So, how familiar are you guys with like K dramas? Seen a few of them. They're they're one of my favorite things. So I watch a lot. So but there's one that I've I haven't really seen like a K. drama in space. It's not something that really happens too much like you say. would. Have Been. Where they go back to like. Everything. So they go ancient Korean your call. Cool. Everyone's in period pieces and everything but they don't really do anything like in the future like wanted it's usually present. I want like. A Star Trek K. drama almost like a sci Fi in-space like we follow are two characters they. Went to the academy together. Space Academy. starfleet head and they went to Starfleet, make it star Trek, they went to starfleet academy. Star Trek Academy. Jonathan frakes right now. I Want I. If Jonathan frakes next guest I, want on the show. So we have these they go to. Starfleet Academy, together they meet a hit it off the best friends fall in love event something happens. Like their last year there, and then they're basically flung to distant parts of. The Galaxy Star crossed lovers pretty much So like their Taylor swallow and then like ten years goes by. And then they find themselves on the same ship. Same Station. I didn't I was thinking do I wanted to a station or do I wanNA do step I. Think Wendy do ship or stationed in the same place. Yeah basically, like they're gonNA be on the command staff to get them like this brand new ship. So they have to be reunited and they're basically the exact same rank just ones in charge of one thing and one's in charge of the other thing but they constantly have to like talk to each other and there's ten and so they both hate each other but. I wanted to be able I want to sets of actors, want our present day actors and then are actors that were in the academy. So we're constantly going to be doing era little aeros exactly. So we're going to be doing some flash backs and everything like that. So we can see what all happened and I want them like on the whole one day. Just. Like they have to do some maintenance outside their in their mea suits and doing their little thing and he looks up and he sees this like Nebula passing by and it's like beautiful and so he comes into stops what he's doing. He's staring at it. Then you see like spanner whatever she starts floating off into the distance, and so he reaches out for it. But she's also working and she catches it out of the corner of our I, and so she reaches out for it as well and they she grabs it because she's faster, she always has. But like his hand like grabs her hand, and then they kinda just stand like that for like a couple seconds maybe a heartbeat and then they slowly like look into each other's eyes again, this'll be like probably episode five or six when they're starting to like reconcile So they start looking into already into it. Yeah. They're. They're looking into each other's eyes. And then they start to remember. Choose. Their time at the academy together. Working. The better your universe. ooh. That's that's what I want. Oh. What a pitch? Okay. All right for the where we making it. happening it needed to be here. Yesterday is is Rick Berman doing anything? Can I get in touch with? Also, very real question. Have you seen Romances Bonus? I have not seen romance. Bonus. Book. Please long Netflix. Yes I K drama. Wouldn't play an American you. Okay. We're going to well, here's the thing that I are GonNa. Take. Since, we're since we're basically doing it as like star trek basically starter it's going to have an international cast. Of. Course. So we can have people come in to the the captain very well could be David tennant. Just. Why not? So. So narrowly K. drama is just a show treated. It'll be a K. drama because like did you watch Mr Sunshine? Now. That I haven't watched a lot of cage online awhile. Mr. Sunshine. Place like during like the. The. Early nightmares the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds. Korea is still kind of like. At odds with Japan but like the US's there so like. A kid he was taken his. He was he was a slave he escaped this American missionary like takes him and takes him back to America. So he learns English he became he becomes like an officer in the Marines, and then they have to go back to Korea to Deuce like some diplomatic thing and so he goes back to Korea. So he's kind of like almost like an emissary between Korea and the United. States. So he speaks English and Korean, and they have a bunch of like American dudes in there like his. Best friend is like an American do speaks English at the beginning. So they're just speaking English to each other at the beginning of it so you can do stuff like that. So you can make it almost like international where you know they're still talking international ya drama hey great. Vulcans I'm, on board of course you're onboard. Now my like my thinking, Bram like how much of the languages in one language? How much another language the majority of it would still be in Korean Because they're not going to be like talking to the captain like all the time because they have to do their other duties and everything. But when they do have to the captain, maybe he's speaks in English or he's crying around to. Learn. Korean for them. Question yes. Let's say you're a guy who's never watched a K. drama in your life asking for a friend and. Watch it with other people and then talk about it later. On with us, which which is, what is the one that person should watch I mean I watched? My Buddy has never so I wanNA make. Right so I can talk about it. Yeah. If you want something that's modern day or you want something that's period piece because there's great ones for both but there are different in ago with Jason because I know you like like the scarier aspect stuff like that horror genre I want to go with kingdom the Kingdom. Oh. ZOMBA's is that is that catering Su there's there's Fifty different things called the kingdom. I was going to say it's the last kingdom, which is no no no kingdom kingdom. It's yeah it's. It's yeah. It's cranial. It's zombies. So so What is his name? It's like A. John I believe is his name. He's the main I could see Caitlin has another one though that she's dying to say. I mean I can't recommend romances bonus book enough but I'm gonNA write that it's really good hyenas really good for your free a friend for your friend. My friend. Yes. texting him right now I mean there's also like if you want the ones that are like trope, there's also like Cinderella and the four nights you've lost me already. There that one's Darwin's allies. You want one that's like, oh, they work in a bakery he's like a professional chef. Type of thing. That's good. It's anything that has to do with food is. Bakery anything that has a bakery or like there was the one about drinking too. Where like getting a beer at the end of the day so refreshing, you hate working for this boss, but they fall in love I having dubbed. Some. Some shows, I can't remember the names of them right now but I can't believe that that literally just became like a life goal do like work on a Khaindrava also. To know the names of our main characters. Alright. So her name is son in his last name is moon. So you've got Oh my God. L. Let me guess they're gonNA. Have Kids Name Stars? That's no which this like. Like in reality is one's going to be called. CASSIOPEIA. Basically. Since eight like her name was stunned. She falls in love with detective moon because they used to they do like. Karate or whatever together. So I'm just like sun and moon. Perfect like Paul come on exactly ones an X. Y.. And some of them have both and some only have one. Oh. Space. Man Sorry but no, I have a tagline tagline. So it's like odd fall. It's a follow sun and moon as they try to explore their relationship in past as they explore space. Oh. That's my pitch to Career. Career. NETFLIX's. We know you're listening David tennant fits in all of our wanted to. Somehow. One David tennant per show. So. WELL GO AHEAD this has been fun guys So you guys we want our audience to find you where do they go to find what's Phantom They can find what's up fandom on itunes stitcher bobbing Google. Play spotify Animation Station PODCASTS DOT COM, 'cause haven't changed it laziness. Very, key factor in me not changing it fair. 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Play Video Games, you can find me in the League of legends and we. Who are you feeling? I was a character called Renoir. God your rank car. Stars in her eyes. Lingering. Marred her. Addiction. So Oh yeah, right. Well and Josh. Where can they find your stuff individual I I. WanNa I WANNA plug for Jason while Jason also teaches video game voiceover classes. I can I can attest to at least one of them being good. one class house good Nice While fakes of only been of only been to one. Of My classes. that. Make says. He's also got another class. If you WANNA learn how to voice acts for video games in everything he has a class October Ninth Sixteen Twenty third and thirtieth they have open spot kind of you on just go to on the Mike Training Dot. COM I should be sponsored by on the Mike pay cash the check flay yeah. Yeah, you could lose Promo Code. John. Too. So we can track it. It's not even my school I just teach there. I'll see what I can. Do of. The first class like we we've done one class so far, and it's been really fun. It was quite good. We went over our three and a half hour time. Oh Wow eve is very he was very. Very. Cracking the whip. He wouldn't be didn't take a break until like almost three hours. He seems like he was like you can have one ten minute break to. Like that and it was like. Really sell six of water. You can find me on twitter and Instagram at Joshua Cain I do. You know voiceover and all that junk. So if you WANNA hire me I'm they're Nice. That's good. Cells try. and. We're looking for Co host like if you guys want to be a co host shoot. US. Message or whatever we're always looking hosts can't depend on Jason all the time because at some point he's going to have to start going to work. and. Make it more difficult. Where I work. The studio. That's true. Eight months from now hopefully sooner hopefully sooner. But awesome thank you guys for coming on the show. Appreciate it. 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Stargate SGU Tribute

Sci-Fi Talk: The First Season

19:39 min | 1 year ago

Stargate SGU Tribute

"Hi welcome the sci-fi Talk I have my coverage of Stargate S G you at San Diego Comic Con. I have the interviews from the roundtables and kickoff with executive producer and a man has been with Stargate for quite some time Robert Cooper. Could you address? I know that you're actually going to be more consulting role stargate going now. I'm stepping back. Why I've been doing this a long long time Fourteen years seventeen seasons two movies when we started as g you. My plan is actually only to do The first season and then I love the show so much in the cast and I you know I stayed the extra year so it was always part of the sort of the plan to at some point branch out and train do some other stuff. You don't look. I am incredibly grateful for having been a part of this experience. Nobody expects to be a part of a show that goes ten years. Never mind a franchise that goes seventeen seasons television. It's been incredible. It's been I feel incredibly lucky to have been a part of it but I also see other things out there that I would love to do so you know I. I don't ever see myself completely. You know leaving the stargate franchise nobody ever dies in Saifi. It's Kinda tease us. A little bit of the of the second season. We're GONNA throw it. Well we you know rush discovers the bridge doesn't tell anybody about it right away like rush And I think we we figure out a lot more about destiny and and what destiny's mission is and why the ancients built it and sent it out there and I think we as a as a group of people start to focus a little more on. What the bigger mission is and how we can really contribute less about. How do we get out of it? Hearing go home and more about moving forward and you know season one was getting the ball rolling. In and and and introducing the character season two is hits the ground running. I mean we're we're you know obviously finishing the Lucien storyline to a certain extent that continues on And then right into the sort of aliens and Alien World Adventure after that to service want Percy servicing new. I mean I don't think I it's it's with our cast. It's almost a treat you like. You can't wait to write a scene for each of them and and I mean it's exciting to sort of see the dynamic that occurs between all the different people. I mean I I love it. I mean the fact that that they're all so incredibly talented and so different is you know it's it's it's incredible It's a treat for a writer to have that opportunity. And they say they come to life when you cast and and and are constants phenomenon. Next up is fan favourite. David Blue so last time we saw you. You were missing what what happens. I was like wait a minute episode. Ten yeah you got a lot of catching up to do Still around as you might have noticed. Free screwed up if they brought me here like died Or Deny Brad Right. Actually the end of last season I asked. I joked with him and said They hadn't renewed us yet and I said As a joke. Oh I'm psychic I can predict. I'll be every episode of season two and he said Yeah. I guess a corpse is in every episode. Yeah scared the crap Outta me. Scared the crap out of him Sorry I mean yeah you come back and you know. There's there's a hint that you might you guys might not be who you might be by. Four as he never quite. You never quite know what to expect. I it's hard as an actor at the end of the the season. Not Knowing coming back not knowing you don't get that renewal right away You kind of wonder who's going to be there next year. Who's not? I think lost kind of started that that thing where characters detectors can die and be cooled off in like knowing save but that makes them more exciting for for the audience and it doesn't get wrapped up very quickly. Tease it like that. I wish I don't wish I did. But looking around and seeing everyone in New York here shirts is pretty cool. I I was joking Brad and raw. Wonder WE'RE GONNA PLANET GAP because I'd love for a change it goes. I didn't I didn't realize wearing the same thing forever when they first asked me what I like to wear. I said a t shirt and Hoodie. Now I can't wear it anymore. People just automatically assume on me life is your love life better. I don't want to spoil too much but We definitely explore the romantic side. You lie season to There are some great new characters on board. As well that you'll get some neat and And allies relationships are. It's crazy because the first season we were really getting used other learning who he could trust. And I think the second season more about accepting where you are and learning your place in that world and then more than that determining once and for all who is on your side and who is you know and I kind of relationships the lie those of you. I mean you're a video game I am. I am happy to be gigantic nerd. I don't get to play many games as I used to anymore but I still have all the consoles and for some reason making buying them I keep buying all video games and sit sitting myself In fact a very disturbing moments I told somebody recently Playing Dragon Age during our last titus when my character accidentally slept with a character and then I realized it was Claudia. Black's voice scared. The crap out of me because he's a friend of mine I Love Video Games. I I try to watch every TV show and movie get my hands on guest. The inception yet. Not so good. Mix Gotta go see like four more times We have that in common in fact. I think I'm probably more of a nerd than Eli on you because you injury Wayne issue. God bless you for saying that When they first that's how they described it to me when I was when I was first talking about the role was that I would be the surrogate really for the audience and It was a lot of pressure. I almost didn't know if I wanted that much responsibility. And the FACT THAT PEOPLE CONSIDER. Eli that I is an honor And then I I like the stuff that happens even more because of it I liked you. Lie The day every now and then because it really lets the audience feel like they're helping And they really explore that more in insights into resorts Lawrence anyone you seen these people at least in Elena and I mean there's a reason why Allies flirting with the people. Who Were there gorgeous? Women it's ridiculous but then you're competing with people like Brian who have triceps and biceps muscles. I've never even heard of your grading over there you know. Thank you conscious about it. What's your relationship with Classic Science Fiction? Are you a final place sanctions and well Azima or I? Yeah yeah absolutely I you know growing up. I actually volunteered in the library and I read a lot. You know doing all that Jazz These days I feel like we're just recycling those stories over and over again so I that's why I think classic throws me because he was like doesn't exist anymore waiting for a remake of two thousand and one I think sci-fi is is special. And it's funny that it had a bad stigma for so long this when I was growing up you know when I was having my star Trek next generation birthday parties is looked down on But now it's cool because people are realizing it's just imagination just fantasy and that's why so. Many shows are becoming sci-fi nowadays because it allows us to really imagine you. Also I read Stephen Hawking you know reading about black hole course. I didn't think about star. Trek quit twitter. I I love it Dangerous thing you gotta be careful about. People get mad at me that respond. But it's hard on one hundred thousand It's been a lot of fun. Which is why I've gotten my classmates addicted to it. It's something that we didn't have when we were young. I couldn't write to Jonathan frakes without finding out. Who is agent was finding out where to send hoping that somebody would send something back or not the printed head shot? I like being able to respond to people when I can And telling them what I'm to sharing what this is like for me with them I wish I would have had dreams about running into actors from shows that I like so if I can do that. By interacting with them twitter or facebook fan page or even just talking to them at convention then. I feel like I'm giving back to people who helped me out you know who I would've loved to meet and when I was family. Oh okay to be continued. Thank you we have now. Tj played by Aleana Huffman boy. You've gone through this season so far as you be notionally a really difficult awesome. Yeah absolutely I was pregnant in real life. Some people don't know intact. I was and it's really funny though actually Lou was on the first handful of episodes and then he went off and did something else and he came back to the last half so I hadn't seen him and he didn't know I was really pregnant and he came rehearsing one of the scenes back and I had my you know valley and is a touch your nose like yeah and any only God. It's real he thought they just wrote it in and he found out I was pregnant. I'm very thankful for the way that they dealt with it. I think I think it was a really great story. Line to introduce. It's something that I know that. They wanted to explore at some point but not necessarily so early on not necessarily with my character. But I'm glad it worked out interesting last few episodes that we have seen in Oregon The last few of the season one given the finale yet of the beginning of season two yes season starts in October. And we've shot up until episode eleven. So we've got the Lucian Alliance now on the ship from from the end of season. One and they'll be bill they stick around We've got both good and bad characters from that. So that's Adds an interesting dynamic to to the already sort of divide between the civilians and the UH in the military teacher has really emotional first half of the second season but she still has her father to do and she's the only one who can do it on the ship so she's she's you know she's got to sort of get a hold of herself and And that's really interesting and fun to play as well suited for TJ. I really love the the stretch that she has. I love the fact that she plays a she. She is a very strong capable person and like everyone else is literally just throwing into the situation doesn't know what to do so she's She has her sort of former ability but then because because she is Ming. That's when you hear all day at work laughing on being lessee wrapped she's off lasting in someone anyways And then and then and then she's got a lot of emotions and because we're on the ship and we both we all have our job but we all have our personal life and I I think they do a really great job of sort of bringing them together and then and then defining them as well so that we can play all all all I like to. Yeah Yeah especially. Yeah especially with With Kiva Thought Kiva was a really cool character smiling ours. Yeah I smile. A lot is as soon as they call You guys running the panel. I guess a Rub Rub. I think introduced me and was like you're the most bubbly Smiley happy person I know. And and it's true and I I guess I guess yeah. Tj doesn't come across that way but no to smile and laugh. There was one moment in time where she's laughing and I didn't understand it. And I said to Robert Cooper. 'cause he wrote it and directed it and he's like. I just you know because he thinks of me is like this smiley laughing bubbly person. He wanted just as seen where I was laughing. So he wrote it in. That's the power I enjoyed when you when you all went to in Tj for a moment one to stay behind that was a very human reaction especially giving baby and having a place to raise her. Describe how that was for you to play. And how did you get one? Carl binder that episode and I I think he really touched on the very human aspect of it like you said and we all have it. I I love that Lieutenant. Scott sort of steps away from his. I will follow anything. Colonel Young says and really really wants to stay too because it is a very human emotion. It was very fun to play and I that was a really great episode. I think it was. It was bright and it was ready and it was they shot it with like a CPO or a tungsten film so it was just so different from the dark dreary stargate set you know and it was really nice to be that being said. I love shooting on a spaceship because we go home. At seven. O'clock on on Friday night was a good thing. Thank you so stay care. Talented actor who? I'm very glad is involved in a series Robert Carlyle Russia's what I find interesting. I don't consider necessarily a bad character. He just yeah he he just Louise Right on VK Russia's if not like magic thing is what he's all about what it episodes is coming up in fact this cold decorator of goods which is really what. Russia's it doesn't matter individuals sacrifice to head the mission or the greater good is dissatisfied. So I agree with you. Don't he's necessarily abide coty. I don't think he's necessarily divorce. Owners trouble million elite is mortally flexible. Yeah A- technically. The technical difficulties would be the technical stuff they husky see. You're talking about water holes in solar flares entitled to be. I don't know what I'm talking about. You don't have to really like Shakespeare so but but in terms of the the acting is very important to just walk a particular particularly rush. Because you just say that you don't want a completely. The audience is very very easy through with account it to lick rush. They think well. I don't like this guy. I don't like voice up tees zone up so we have good reasons for it. Does nothing nice to strengthen the county the Broadway of set in place is the yes. It's distasteful base rate so that that makes the sing is the relationship between him and young. It is really cheap. It's almost like an analogy or science versus the military. That's what's fascinating and actually that's something that young says all the time the greater good well. Interestingly in the episode the greater good young and rush end up allude on the neely ship disaster and we play an eleven page sing together quickly followed by any page enough so these to these seems to combat Dina half an actual and judy sequences does been. Rosh confess his more. He knows so far. So everything's can avoid table so he has so you get these oldest tales of typically rush fashion there by the end of it. He brings him on Saint. He says it's time you start looking. Bahagia state stop thinking about going home as a big windfall of. So we'll see hello nutcase. Piece LAS in You. GotTa what I something that was always going to be there. That was always going to be short. Some point I think it was important to do the bobbies very pleased and we can spoke robot Bron. It was good that it didn't come 'til episode thirteen fourteen. Stillwell shoe had been going on in the months before he he sold out and think he was that they held bike pulled out. Because I think it gave it his property and then it was a very interesting episode. Played us for sure difficult episode. Typically because he couldn't be abortion involved with us where it played all before this replay. So he couldn't do week the whole thing was he's no look at the whole set was he wasn't looking he's not talking he's doing if betty hop particularly for myself to be honest because. I'm all about that so he'd be a very difficult for Louise Little Ball to my wife look at it. That's the whole episode with her. You've had quite arrived with it so far all the different Rx. Yeah this show that he babies coming from so many wasn't necessarily always in the lace something that made that way. But you had quarter rod with it so far all the different. Yeah it just keeps going until you the next season it keeps going but I one the oil very special. Thank you to the sci-fi channel. Thanks so much for listening take care.

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 157: Star Trek: Picard S1E5

GSMC SciFi Podcast

1:07:40 hr | 1 year ago

GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 157: Star Trek: Picard S1E5

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Gather we dive into the world. Scifi science fiction from episodes of Star Trek Star Wars to the resident evil all the science fiction movie from the factor marvel or DC MEDIA. Concepts SETS CY. Five cats. You'll never get science fiction the same way again. Don't stink talked to US Brasi. Gmc podcast network. I'm your host Alex. Today we're GonNa talk more about Star Trek Picard. We're going to go ahead and break down episode five of this first season and we're also going to talk about the first few chapters of tragic sense of life. The book that Captain Rio is reading on philosophy. So I have what is going on in episode five episode five. Takes a little bit of a divergence from where we've been going so far now I say that even though we've already diverged wants to go on. Picard side quest now Rossi kind of gets one so in this episode. They're going to visit the planet free cloud and it means something different for each member of the crew of the ship. So Jerry Ryan who played seven of nine or on Ika in Star Trek. Voyager is in this episode and I was super stoked to finally get to see seven. She's changed a lot over the years but you can definitely still tell that she is seven of nine under there and she is trying to seek out her humanity so we discover that on. Occah is out here on her own and the last episode before this episode. Four when she saved them from a firefight and then beamed aboard their ship so now. Picard is going out and trying to pursue this quest to right wrongs in his life and Ana Kaz essentially on her own quest. And they've just converged at this point so right now. Seven is Kinda going hardcore. She is a member of Vigilante Group. Called the Finley's rangers and is out there. Rescuing folks who are in need so she has a lot going on since voyager came back from the Delta quadrant and we have a lot of blanks that aren't filled in for seven right here but actually really liked that it has kind of a Han Solo field to it and I like that. It's mysterious where she has been an what she's been up to. It leaves some room for growth. And you know this show loves some good flashbacks. So hopefully we'll see more of onok in the future and perhaps get some flashbacks at some point to what she was doing in the past couple decades. Exciting places we have yet to go you guys but it seems to be that there's a lot going on and you're not exactly sure of her motivations per se but you don't really need them. I Love Jerry Ryan's acting and she has really developed seven on a personal level in the gap between these two shows occurring. It feels very true to seven of nine but also being a different stage in her development so a lot of times with some of my friends we refer to ourselves as being like three. Alex is ago. I would have reacted this way I would have been like this and three rogers ago et Cetera so we can use that to refer to these different stages of our lives and communicate that with our friends and it makes me feel like there are maybe a couple of different sevens between the seven we see now and the seven that we last saw in Star Trek prior to star Trek Picard. Coming out. And I think that that's really fascinating. The way that she has developed it as though it is a cascade or some type of ripple effect at this point and it's still coming across as that same character Gerry Ryan's doing a fantastic job in that way and I really love how world-weary that seven is coming across but also like the deep darkness that she is drawing upon to go out there and do all this as she is trying to figure out whether she still has these parts of humanity within herself because she was aboard for so long. So I really love this episode for a lot of reasons. It's another Jonathan frakes directed episode. And we also get Jerry Ryan here. So we're getting a really great mix of our old favorite star. Trek heroes both on and off the screen and we are in a new planet now called free cloud it looks to be a pleasure planet and is pretty hard core. And it's like rice to the Max. It reminds me a bit of altered carbon in the way that Takeshi is. I bartered with all of those different ads. While he's walking around the city proper after they I spent him up following his sentence and when they do that and he gets bombarded with all of these in he can't not see them and they're just a ton of neon lights that is really what the pop up ads in. Star Trek Picard. Reminding me of so. I like how that has like a seeming continuity with what other types of folks who earned visiting the sci-fi futures that are coming to US particularly these dystopia type of futures and that they definitely still have advertisements up in your face everywhere. That is an amazing a commonality between these and I really loved that that is just that's in the Mandala of carbon and star Trek Picard. You guys is that any type of future is going to result in there being ads. Everywhere capitalist socialist it doesn't matter space communism. There's GonNa be ads everywhere so that was very easy for me and the pop up ads on this planet. Though on free cloud they will actually start coming up to you even before you land. And it's also a holographic format for it. So in that way I also enjoy seeing kind of how the hollow DHEC has evolved over the years to this episode has layers you guys so we used to use the holiday and T. and G. for going and doing interesting adventures with Sherlock Holmes and such doing some war types of acting. You can also go in there and practice fighting or play sports. It was used for recreation and amusement. And then you have them trying to actually learn things from Davinci in everything in sight of Voyager and then in d. s. nine we all know what the holiday is mostly used for India and it just goes really fire and the capitalist direction for that and overall it just has developed over. The years is what I'm really getting at to the point that now we're like. Oh Yeah we would just be using this for the most mundane things like just advertisements. And I think that that's also a really fun. Reflection of where star trek was back then and where we're at with it now where now it's just kind of holographic everything like Tony Stark. And also you have the mundanity of it because at this point everything with the Internet is no longer is exciting as it was in the late eighties and early nineties when the card and Voyager and everything was on the air. It's not like just an exciting new frontier. It's now also the bummer. Parts of life are also being upgraded technologically and their presentation. So I think that that's really fun to look at because it is mirroring. Its Art. Mirroring Life at this point and we see some reflections of where we are now and also extensions of where that might be in the future so I love seeing that free cloud looks pretty skeeve. Before Risa and other types of pleasure planets were laid out to be Paradise. Is like very chill? Not a lot of weird stuff is going to go on unless cards trying to go on vacation. He meets a hot check. And she lures him in with promises of archaeology and just ensnares him in a terrible plot so unless that happens like most of the time you know the pleasure planets look like paradise but this one looks more altered carbon or more blade runner than the other types of pleasure planets. We've seen in the Star Trek Universe for the most part it Has Games as costumes. It has all kinds of booze then is what this pleasure planet is about. So it's interesting to see how the concept of these pleasure planets have changed too. It's no longer like a relaxing vacation. Away it is just sheer hedonism and bright colors and everything being loud and in your face instead of being like a Tropical Beach Paradise so you can take what you will from that but I just like to think about how this has changed over the decades and a lot of the new visuals that we're getting are really indicative of that and I think there are a lot of fun particularly since Jonathan frakes was involved in these shows in the eighties as well as in the now and you can really see how he sees it in multiple aspects as an actor and as a director from both sets of decades. So I think it's fascinating and I really love seeing how that's developed over time. We're going to go in a quick break and when we come back we're going to discuss some more about star trek the card episode five. What to find out what movies to go see and check out the GS. Amc movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick. 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So the crew of the Law Serena are on free cloud looking for Dr Bruce Matic's the supposed father and creator of Soji and Dodge. So they are trying to find him and it turns into a rescue mission essentially when they find that he's definitely there but he's kind of been captured by crime. Lord and they've already made a deal to try to hand him to the Tel Shaar. So that is bad. News bears for Maddix so this episode quickly turns into a heist type of an episode and there are fake identities. There are disguises and outfits and everything and is kind of weird and how it fits in. It's just very different in tone. I think from the first few episodes but also when you compare it to t and G and voyager and how they would do these episodes of essentially holiday there is a very similar resemblance in kind of shenanigans. Going on. I suppose we can say it's a little bit lighthearted for me compared to the episodes before I still enjoyed it but it did fill a little cheesy but like it knew that it was cheesy but not quite camp. It was not intentionally cheesy. It was more like a head nod to holodeck episodes. I felt but that's just how I feel about it. If you totally disagree with me please let me know on twitter and I will be glad to hear it from your perspective and give it another watch through. I did like it though. I'M NOT GONNA LIE CER- Patrick Stewart. Always looks good with an eye patch and a beret and trenchcoat so he looks great in the south. Today that is in this episode. It didn't come out today but you get where I'm coming from. Episode five of Season One of Star Trek Picard so they have their essentially holiday episode and not in the holiday. It's actually in real life so stakes. Rwasa higher which I think really further juxtaposed the types of episodes for me. But I digress. But we do get to see our bad guy and how ruthless they are and really be concerned for Bruce Maddock so it does a good job setting up why we should care about this character. We haven't met before so we don't know enough about him as a man to really care that much about him and be emotionally invested in him but we do know that if this person who is the crime. Lord in charge of his care has a history of performing these really brutal and ruthless kind of executions and everything. Then we're going to actually feel that he's in danger so we either need to feel that he's endanger or we need to really care about the character so since we can't do the one they do a really great job establishing the other in a show. Don't tell kind of way so I really love that. I also really am enjoying this. Tv Ma Rating. So I may be one of the few who feel this way. I've seen a lot of opinions on line to the contrary but I'm fond of the TV Ma rating for this. There are a lot of gritty things that probably would happen out in. Space and SCI FI haven't been able to be covered before in the star trek franchise because of how unpalatable they might actually be. And how network execs tend to cut that out like when they had donny faster as a character on the X. Files and he was supposed to be necrophiliac but Fox told Chris Carter in them that they could not say necrophiliac on the air or even imply it so the closest they could get was saying death fetishists and that's why they were showing him clipping off parts of the hair and their fingers and stuff to keep at home because he was supposed to be an affiliate and that was the closest they could get now. He's still quite terrifying as a death fetishes but it does really change the context of your fear for scully in a way as well if you know he is a NECROPHILIAC versus a death fetishists so some may argue that because it could still conveys fear that you don't really need it to be necrophilia and I get that I get where you're coming from but I think it does add a new dimension of depth and breadth to the horror. It's like a rainbow of horror that we are experiencing in that context. So I do think that the context really is what makes that matter within the story and I like how they establish that with this character being super brutal and really flexing that TV MA rating. They've used it a little bit so far but they're really flexing it a lot more in the graphics and the Gore category in this one I think we all knew that characters like gold to caught. We're capable of great evil and they still manage to convey a menacing air about them even without gory. Onscreen violence and I get that. But this is a a new age of Star Trek and I think they're doing a really good job with choosing how in win they flex that Ma rating so. This was a really good eye opener into perhaps where it's going with that and how far they're willing to go. I loved the Jonathan. Frakes is taking us there with it. And also the emotionality of this episode where we see the cruelty of the Crime Lord and showing us the relationship between seven of nine and each ebb. It was really cool saying how their relationship had continued past. Voyager and how they were traveling along as companions and she refers to him as her child at one point. And it's so painful to see seven react that way even though we haven't seen this character in decades really and her connection to this other character but we are familiar with who she is and Jerry Ryan plays it so well and they just do a fantastic job establishing that relationship in so few moments. I was very impressed by it and I very much enjoyed the way they portrayed it so now we know that seven has a personal vendetta against Jay Crime Lord and we understand that Jay is exceptionally cruel and the each of and seven are both seeing each other as individuals and that they are lake family at this point as well. It shows us their closeness. And I think that's really important in this era of Star Trek really asking the question really focusing hard on who has a right to life and Liberty. Essentially what is the measure of a man what defines an individual and for some of these characters? What is humanity or realness is so g real as she an individual even though she is straddling this line between being organic and being a sense. She's technically organic sense. But she's not quite human. She is not made in the same way in which humans are made. So it's very fascinating to me looking at how they're examining this in almost like different layers of onion paper in the way that a lot of pictures used to be drawn. That's what this really reminds me of and it's really cool to see how this is answered by the different characters in their different ways. We're GONNA quick break and when we come back we are going to pick up with where the other characters are in this episode. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than a podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop flirted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that podcast. Whatever it may be visit us at. Www DOT JESUS MC podcast dot COM. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google. Play the district for the break we were talking about the episode. Stardust city rag and how it does such a great job in so few scenes of Star Trek Picard in patching together or really connecting those threads like thinking Charlie Day from it's always sunny in Philadelphia stretching the threads and the thumb tacks between everything. And you look kind of crazy but this is more elegant than that. Suppose think more of that old guy with the silver hair that deb dates on Dexter. I forgot his name. Bundy something like that. Lundy Lundy there. You go so think more lundy at that point less Charlie Day. But that's where I'm going with this. So this episode is essentially just almost like a ballet of stringing together these push pins with the ribbon and getting everything to make sense without that many words even needing to be said it is amazing how much they tell what their facial expressions and with these little interactions where we're emphasizing the TV or rather not really emphasizing. I don't even think they've made it that gratuitous for the most part and They're just flexing a little bit flexing those muscles and when they do that we get to see some really compelling things on the screen it does hit you a little bit harder saying it that way at least in my opinion and seeing how the characters react. It's very beautifully done. So we know at this point. The interactions and relationships between j the Crime Lord Seven of nine and each ebb in regards to this place on free cloud. We now see that we are also having to try to save Dr Maddix from the same person who has tortured each ebb. And now we're going to see Captain Rios dressed up like a pen to play kind of the mediator between someone in the black market who is purchasing something and the other party who is selling the item so that just seems to be something that they do on free cloud and so we see that is his role in this and he's dressed like a pimp and then we also have a lot of flashbacks between the planning of this event and the acting out of it. So it's very ocean's eleven and that way it's like a classic heist tail so it's pretty interesting but I was kind of surprised that that's why they went this neo five episodes and so they are doing this type thing and in some flashbacks and everything roffe saying. Hey make sure that. You're careful around specific characters. They can literally sniff out people's lives and stuff like that so she's essentially acting like they're handler and telling them all the information they're going to need and she's the research component and then they're like okay. If you do hard drugs in you like take the time released kind then it can help you get away with it. So between this and the mushroom trips across space time that we're taking with the spore drive in star trek discovery and also the episodes of the magicians this year when which they were taking drugs to transport in two different lands. There is a lot of exploration of substance use is side plots for this year in stories. I think that's pretty interesting. Although I do also know that Roddenberry in them had wanted to use the spore drive before and they couldn't because of the war on drugs so it's very interesting to me to see all of this popping up now and kind of looking at the themes in art across the different shows even if they are within the same type of media so we are here and Rio's is dressed as a pimp and we're looking out for a person who is possibly going to be able to sniff out our lives naturally unless we are on hard drugs so we have been here doing this. And then we see that picard is wearing a patch and a beret and there are pretty much trying to outbid the tell she yard to get Bruce Matic's so they are going. Hey we heard that you had this guy in a no. You already sold them to those people. But we're going to give you more money if you will give him to US instead but they also put on these crazy costumes to go along with it. And they all look essentially like they're going to different parties at this point or that. They are going to a Halloween party almost the way things are put together but they do get the opportunity to show Patrick Stewart using a Frenchaccent. So that's a lot of fun. We got to see him. Use it earlier one of the first episodes and talking to the dog. I believe so. We're getting to hear him. Use a little bit of the accent here as well and then he goes ahead and offers seven of nine in very much one of those two. Bucko like scenes in which they put you in handcuffs and then pretend to walk into the detention center. He is a prisoner but this time they're just go ahead and walk in seven of nine and they're like. Hey We know that you wanted this person for Borg. Parts so here you go and they try to hand her over but of course she's not handcuffed just like to Boca. She slipped out of him. However seven of nine has not been completely forthright. She does not follow the model of absolute candour. And so she's not told them everything at this point. And like whoa. You guys actually know each other. And it turns out that seven used to work with Jay and was trying to rescue people who have been abandoned by the Federation so Jay essentially betrayed on Agha's slash seven and just essentially stole it aboard technology. That's what we're getting at is. The Jay is in it for the board technology. That's why she does everything that's why she tortures that's why she kills people this way. She betrays even the people that they were close to before. So J does even address seven as on Ika and we know that seven doesn't really use that name very much so that is interesting to see that that might be a direction that she is leaning towards since her departure from voyager either that or she was just really close with J. I kind of felt some vibes. I wasn't sure if maybe they were girlfriends. But I'm here for so perhaps that is what was going on with this. Maybe there was some sexual tension there as well but they were indefinitely least very close and trusted each other before. J. Turned on seven and seven also refers to herself as the one that got away. So you decide and let me know what you guys think about what we were supposed to infer from that are we also know that since they really clearly knew each other and trust each other. It's very likely the J. also knew very well about Sevens affection for each ebb and that is why she is so upset right now because this was a very personal act that Jay has committed against seven in his a very deep betrayal. And though we don't get to see exactly what their relationship did look like before we can really feel the Gut Punch I think from this scene and I enjoy how they played it. We're going to go on another break. And when we come back we're going to see how well this heist turns out. Some secrets are meant to be kept. If you feel someone you know is at risk of suicide. Don't keep it a secret. Listen to them. Let them talk and let them know you care in are concerned. Suicide is preventable. Learn how to take action and save a life. Suicide recognize it talk about it act on it learn more at recognized. Talk Dot Org a message from the Virginia Department of Health Watch. Tv has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. 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So she's really freaked and is panicking. Probably more than I think really calls for. But you know that's in a nutshell so whereas Roffe at this point we have the core unit down there working on stuff but Roffe is conspicuously. Absent and Agnes is doing her own thing. Just chilling up there waiting for an order to beam everyone up so roffe is actually on this planet looking for her son. Gabriel and his pregnant Volkan wife so we are seeing a little bit more about Roffe as a person right now. We've seen her on the snake plant and we've seen her be drunk a lot and we know at this point the Rossi does use substances quite a bit but we don't see the effect on anyone except Roffe right now and she's Pretty. She's pretty rough and tumble so roffe. Seems like she can handle a lot and she's just kind of quietly gruff. She's a character this. I think largely played by males typically on television some excited to see this portrayal with a strong female character and I really love Michelle herds portrayal of Roffe. She is rapidly becoming one of my favorite characters. She so complex and you can tell the layers of demons that she's fighting through and just wanting the pain to stop versus wanting to be a better mother or a better person and also in trying to work through her anger because she feels she doesn't have closure or any control over what happened to her entire life plan so she has a lot going on but here we get to see a softer side of Rossi in which she is in more of a submissive position in trying to re establish a connection with her son. She's coming to terms with her history as an absent mother who is struggling with addiction. And that has really distanced her son from her and she seems really keen to reestablish a relationship but he is still very much hurt and that isn't a place of anger so he is not wanting to connect with her at all. He's pretty much like thanks for coming by which she hadn't. But this was what it was by and is rather dismissive and he has his own reasons for that. I'm not here to judge for it. He's making his decision as is best for him just as she's trying to make amends as best she can so at this point it. He's just not ready for it and that's okay. He deserves to be able to come to that conversation or not in his own time as well after all. He didn't really know that she was coming. He wasn't really able to plan for this emotionally in any way so he is still very upset and her believing that there is a towel. She are and federation combine. Conspiracy is really still upsetting him. And he feels like she's still way too fixated on something that he deems responsible for tearing apart his childhood and taking his mother away from him so you kind of have to look at it from a child's perspective and it was this dogged pursuit of the towel she are conspiracy theory and wanting to save these romulu. Nhs following the course of the sense issues on Mars. That's really what caused her to go away. So he watched his mom tried to go to bat for this essentially conspiracy theory especially at that time that no one else really believed in and they were kind of being quiet about it and then picard goes and puts his ultimate amount of you accept my resignation or give me the ships. I'm asking you for and they took his resignation and then fired her for being involved with him in trying to get that done so after she lost that job she turned to drinking and to the snake plant and it's really just kind of took the mother that he had before away from him and gave him a person that he doesn't really recognize. I would not be surprised if he also held a lot of animosity towards picard. If we were ever able to see those two characters interacting with each other so he's definitely still looking at this from the eyes of a child that he was when he first experienced it and that definitely makes sense. He's got every right to that anger and everything as well. But we also can see that that angers just stemming from pain and it's just more upsetting to him that she seems to be hanging on to the same thing that took her away to begin with so this is kind of an insult to injury type of deal which he was hoping probably a small part of when he first saw probably angry but also hoping that she was there to be the mother that he wanted but she still clearly has drank recently and she is still chasing that conspiracy theory. So that's really upsetting to him and I like how they really addressed that without saying it. It's absolutely beautiful. How this show is doing with the philosophy and also with the lack of exposition. This showing not telling us. I'm living for you guys. That's why this is one of my favorite shows on television right now. So at this point she sees the wife of her son. Come in and see how pregnant she has. Everything and Rossi's really bummed because her son is so mad at her he's like I don't see you anymore and she's kind of Just bombarded with needing to come to terms with the fact that she's probably not going to get to know her grandchild either and working on her guilt and shame associated with that so she has old wounds that are being torn open and also new stuff being heaped on top of it. She's not in a great place mentally but she's also not where everyone else is. So at this point we see that she's going to go back to the ship and Picard in everyone also get beamed out of there and they managed to take Bruce Matic's with them so that is exactly what they were aiming for and going on this rescue mission so even if Roffe did not get what she needed and she's going to actually be returning with them. Instead of staying on this planet we do know that we at least got maddix. We're going to go on another break and when we come back we're going to talk about how the episode closes out stay tuned the. Gmc like that happen. This podcast takes. You want to journey of exploration. We'll discuss tried and true methods alongside the latest trends of how to best of your life to its fullest unhappiest from psychology to meditation science to self help books the Genus Mc. Live in happiness podcast. We'll help you to discover what makes you happy and how you can live live being the best you possible. Download the Dempsey life and happiness. Podcast on Itunes soundcloud. Who play or anywhere you bind podcast just high in the search Bar Spanish twelve. Come back we're talking about sevens relationship with Jay and really what? Roffe has been up to in this last episode. Now we're going to talk about how the episode really wraps up so we see everyone get transported out of that bar area when things start going sideways and we get everyone back on the ship. We find out Rossi's going with us again. She is not going to stay on the planet so we're effectively up to crew members. We thought we were going to leave. Roffe there we weren't sure if we were going to get mattocks so now we have a pretty good complement aboard our ship. So we see that Mannix however AIDS recovering in Sick Bay on lawsuit arena and has learned of Dodge's death. He's also let us know. Hey Yeah there is another one. It's Oh gee and this is where she is and they go ahead and leave him there. He's being attended by reassesses. Hologram his image but Giradi goes ahead and turn off the stage and then she actually Gills and pretty hardcore. So she's been super sweet this whole time. She was also his former lover. Not just as CO worker and she has really been sitting here most this episode freaking out and we think that she's just worried about everyone involved and how well she's going to do but it turns out that she is killing him for another reason. She is told by him that she helped create dodge and Soji and she just says. I wish you knew what I know. I wish they hadn't shown me and she kills him. He just is gasping for breath and she's apologizing to him. Essentially you can tell. She's very conflicted about what she's having to do right now but she also feels equally as convicted that it is what she has to do. It's something she very much does not want to do but here she is. And this is a great example of those principles. I told you about before that I've learned from SCIFI general that I've really loved over the years like from Jack O'Neill where you often have no great choice but there is a best choice and at this point. Giradi does not have a great choice according to the knowledge and information that she has right now all of the variables that she has this terrible thing she definitely does not want to do is something that she has no other choice but to do and I love how they set us up to go down. This journey of what the other side is up to in all of this so that we can further. Open up this flower. That is the season so at this point. She has killed him. And you'r