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Episode 30: The Jon Bernthal Interview

The Kurt Angle Show

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Episode 30: The Jon Bernthal Interview

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Now are right here we go. He's going to jump in and join us now. Hey john how you doing man. What's up brother. Oh man hey. I want to introduce you to my co host paul brumwell. Hey john how you doing well how you doing. Manson honored dude. It's good to meet you right. Oh man right on house. Aaron and the kids man you know. They're so curt. I'm in that that time. Now they're they're on the other side of the country. So i'm i'm brokenhearted all by myself but you know how it is man. We got work to do right of you know this. Some of the listeners. Know this most dump. But john is married to my niece aaron and they have three wonderful beautiful little kids and john. I wanted to tell you the first question. I wanted to ask you because i know this. I wanna know the story of how you and aaron. I snack. I know you're gonna. Are you going to share this with your brother mark. I dunno i might have to. So there's there's we did meet in a bar a you know aaron I was first of all. I just wanna say how. How glad i am to be here man. And i ain't. I ain't aboard in the question but you know i love you and i think that I think a lot of times you know in this world. I would imagine you know you get married and you hear this. You hear these sort of feelings about what you feel about your in laws in these sort of like old stereotypes. I can't stand my mother in law my father. You know. I'm a. I love my wife more than anyone in this world in in. It's one thing that i know i did right. You know i i. I respect her and i love her. And you know men her. That's it for me. And i'm absolutely in love with it with the angles. Avin dances you know like her family. All you guys you know just you've You know we're all family now and it's such a beautiful family to be a part of and i believe in everybody. I believe what everybody's about and You know 'cause you know you grew up in it but it's That family out there in pittsburgh bandits. It's it's a it's truly a blessing But to answer your question man. Let's get to joy. I had just gotten back from. I got into a lot of trouble grownup. Curtis you know. And i just got a really wanted to act. And i'd i'd moved to russia for a couple of years to learn acting as playing some pro baseball over there and doing my thing and it was the night i got back. We were throwing a my friends. Were throwing sort of a welcome home party for me. And we were pretty rockets in the back of a bar. And i saw this buddy of mine play college football at the time. And he was talking to these two blonde haired girls and i kind of went over there and did something pretty lewd to go with my buddy because i was freaking idiot and That i looked at one of them. And i literally i. I heard angels sing. I saw the most beautiful woman i've ever seen in my life loving. I love at first sight. Man and immediately stopped. Balu discussing thing that i was doing and i said oh my gosh how are even start talking and we immediately kinda hit it off and and then you know we At the end of the night that friend of mine that that football player he went over to try to get her number and she had come to me. This is before cell phones. That's all that's how long we've been together. He had a blackberry because he was like you know he thought he was who i was ready to. Write the number down my hand like a jackass and we're both trying to get your your nieces number and i just felt like such an idiot like two guys trying to get a number. I said you know man. Go ahead. And i knew in the back of my mind. I'm getting that number. You know what i mean. I'd get that number and You know he plugged into his blackberry. But i could tell she really wanted me to have never because we really connected man. And and i'll tell you another thing that i did something so stupid that night. I actually flex my muscle my little ministerial pinball muscle flex and and your your knees. Who grew up with you with your brothers that you got to understand like kurt is one of many. You know just like legendary monsters angles. And i flex. And she goes wow. I hadn't felt a muscle a lot. She wasn't jackass. I'm like flex my little toothpicks for but then at end of the night you know he got the number and then she left and he went. He sat down next to me and he said he said hey man if you ever if you ever caught block me like that again. I'm a whoop your skinny actor ask you not gotten real skinny and russia. I think things have changed as much. Because he wasn't kicking my ass. Sound care and i said well come on. Get up and kick my ass right here dude. Let's do it. We got into god's broke it up and then he felt bad so he said i don't want any girl getting in between us and he wrote he erased the number and i. I lost my mind because i needed to. I needed to meet your niece man. I needed to and needed. And then the next day. I was talking with a friend of mine. I was talking about aaron all morning. I wind stop talking about it. He said no. This is before the days of facebook. And all that. And i said man. I can't stop thinking about this girl. i think she's a love my life. I've gotta find her and he was just like look dude. You're never gonna see her again. Just let it go. Let it go and he said hang on. Did she like a friend. And i said yeah like a blonde hair for and i said yeah he goes hold on. He reached in his back pocket and that friend had actually given my buddy her number and so there was. I called the number. And that's better Three kids later. Wow what a lifesaver dude. What's these guys nowadays. Have no idea how easy it is social media on all the connections. You now straight up a hayward in this but you know that all that kind of feel like sort of passing me by all that. I've never done online dating or anything like that. People don't realize it used to be about you what you could do in the moment you know what i mean like if the new talk to people when you had to actually call them and you'll call their parents house and shit like that you know. Now they hide behind social media. That's right it's a big problem. People do not talk to each other anymore and a good point. There's a new sports drama series on stars and it said in the world of indy wrestling heels follows. A family owned wrestling promotion as two brothers wore over control of the league and their late. Father's legacy and jack spades rivalry. Both in and out of the ring is the main event brother versus brother hero versus. He'll even see in punk stepping back onto the mat for a cameo alexander. Ludwig plays a spade the beloved hero young hotshot and the star of the duffy wrestling league outside the ring a struggles to his idol status with this habit for self destruction. Stephen a male plays his brother in league. He'll jack spade is hardworking. Proprietor husband and father is trying to breathe new life into the wwl. Heels is available to watch now on stars and the stars app. Well john listen. The good news is that she married you before you started gaining big time success on the walking dead. I'm half joking but your story is a fascinating one. Your parents were not in the arts. Your father was a lawyer. However your grandfather murray burn was a musician and producer. How does the son of a lawyer end up as an actor. You man it was. Never you know i played sports all growing up my There were artists in my family. Like my grandfather. Like let like you said there. They're three boys that grew up in brooklyn His brother was the new york city. Goal gloves champion. There's a lot of boxers in my family in that generation. And then my my my grandfather. He was like a prodigy. They grew up with absolutely nothing but he was. He was a prodigy violinist. As as a young age he played carnegie hall. When he was eight and he went to he got a scholarship to go. Play basketball at syracuse. When he was fifteen he got a half violin. Half half a basketball ship into us completely broke so to make money to feed himself is there. He would play the violin for rich folks in syracuse. And this woman heard him play. The violin said yoshi covered the other part. Should want him to damaged ends plan. Playing basketball. is such a good violinist. If she covered the other parts is scholarship. So i guess that's really where like the arts kind of came in and then you know mild-mannered that kinda skipped a generation. Yeah like you said he. He was a lawyer for a while and then he he. He loves dogs so he quit that we ran the humane society united states shutdown fighting kennels and doing a lot of stuff for animals rights and stuff like that I don't know how you it was never really anything. That i i had my mind on. i i was really into sports. Play baseball college But i i ended up taking a class kind of on accident in in college and You know i met this Unbelievable teacher who You really saw something in me. And i think especially if you're a kid and i i try to remind kids of this all the time as young man you know. If you're hitting a lot of dead ends a lotta walls. Sometimes you just need an adult or somebody to kind of believe in you or see something in you. In the power of that is unbelievable can be a coach it can be a teacher can be somebody's parent but somebody to say. Hey you got something special in For kid who again just like kinda wanted up hitting brick walls and getting in trouble. It really changed my life. This woman and i really kinda dedicated my life to it after i met her. She was the reason why i ended up moving to russia and start studying acting. She ended up marrying my wife and she was minister. Unbelievably important woman. i'm really blessed to To pat her in my life. John getting back to the professional russian baseball. Ask you this. Where are you any good man. I would not say if so many times. They played professional baseball in in russia. I wouldn't be overly impressed. There's some good players. I would say it's probably on the level of really good division three or division to baseball here in america. You know it's wood bat. It was it was really interesting. Thing for me. You know They paid you to play. It was kinda like what i would say. I don't know what polo is like here. But it was sort of like this sport for like rich known relatively unknown over there it was like it was a it was a neat thing to do for sort of like mob guys in there. Your model girlfriends go watch baseball you know. And and We had uniforms we. We had buses. We got paid but they did so money for tickets. It was very strange. I don't know where the revenue is really coming in from but It was a great experience in a way to sort of see. More of the country in russia was really you know while i was there. It was just a unbelievably valuable thing for me to It really changed my life man there. It was the mixture of the brutality and the beauty of that place. You know really kinda shaped me as a man is an artist. And i think i thought of myself as a guy who had been through some stealth in could kind of handle my stuff. But i think it's really good to be humbled going to a place like that with no money. No real Understanding of the language of the culture. And just sort of like you eat humble yourself you gotta sorta like be like a baby and relearn everything and You know it was it was it was a my eyes got woken up. You know you were talking about the hit brick walls and bouncing back and kind of coming back there on this show. What conrad and kurt talk a lot about the struggles of guys trying to make in the wrestling business. I'm sure you know being a young actor trying to figure out how to make it in that field. You know you're going through your own struggles. Can you kind of talk about what that looked like for you. The struggles of a young actor and and trying to make it in that field. Sure man. I mean i i think look. There's many times where you know Really with with my wife with with with kurtz niece aaron you know. There are many times where. I'll be honest man i was. I put so much time and effort into this thing in studying it and traveling all over. The world dune plays all over the world and i was trying to do it as a profession. There were so many times. It was so unbelievably clear. It was not gonna work out for me. You know like toms were. I'm too proud admitted man like you know. I'd be basically in tears on my pillow. Just telling my wife baby. It ain't going to happen you know. I'm walking into casting directors office. They're looking at my nose my big old giant ears and they're like literally horrified by the sight and like there. There are times you know these these. These people aren't even looking from their cell phones. You know when. I walked in the door and it just it just seemed so hopeless but then i talked to my wife. You know who's icu. Trauma nurse and she talked about you know holding somebody's hand as they were breathing their last breasts or you know somebody who having to tell a family member that they're never going to see their child again. Now that just put things in such different sort of perspective and and you might all angles are. Are they have a toughness that I'm sure you guys know Shooting you know it's just it's sort of other worldly and there's a quiet humble You just sort of pride. That that i think comes with being angle that i've really tried to learn and i loved about my wife and my wife kind of told me all i needed to know about persevering and fighting on not feel sorry for myself without even saying much and But you know. I think for anybody who's kind of going after their dreams. You gotta realize how big of a blessing it is that you're going after your dreams and that you can actually say that and you know little little bumps in the road. Little failures or successes. I think it's a bad way to look at it. You know. I i i think the best thing about this business that i'm in is a you never know what your next job is gonna be as also the worst thing about this business. You know you y- you know next week you could be on the job that does something for your soul. Does something for you as an artist that completely changes your life and you could go go from feeling like you've got nothing going on. She got it all going on. And i think that you can't you just gotta keep on always going back to. It's about the work about getting better about trying to be the best which can do training your ass off. And i think that's the same. I think you'll taken that sort of athletic approach. I know it's really serve me. It's not about you. You don't really ever lose you you just you just get better. You know you get you. Change it up and and and reroute re strategize and i would never want i think Want this to come easy. I would never not wanna hit walls. I still hit walls. I'm doing something right now. i'm still hitting ause. i love it. I still get nervous as all hell before i start. I'm still super. I still feel like. I have so much to say and i love that about this job that it's never ending. It's always a pursuit. It's something i'm going after. I would never want to arrive and say got this lick. I think. I think that's kind of for assholes. You know right. I get it okay. So you're something that you probably know. If you've ever seen a picture of my dad my dad was full. Great by the age of thirty years old all the way silver fox jones. My dad had a full head of. It's my whole life. I've been told on your hair will turn gray before turns loose and then in more recent years. My dad's sayer. Started to thin. 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I think my favorite thing about it is is that you get this rehearsal time and You know rehearsal time. It's just like if you're training for a fight. You know like you have that time. It's like from the second you know you're going to have that flight. You gotta you got a certain amount of time that any Any moment that you're not working your opponent might be and i think that you know when you sign onto a play. You've got this set amount of time that you're just working on it you and that's really what i love. More than anything is is the work i love. I love working on it trying to get it better surprising myself staring myself scaring the people. I'm working with and You know theater really allows you to do that. And then how it evolves kinda like with the audience. Actually they're big boy scout. There's no second takes you know if somebody forgets line. There's no way there's nowhere to hide. And i gotta the equated a lot to fight Think the people who do that. Stand up comedians. People who actually get up in front of people are are risking. Something that like. There's inherent risk doing in front of a cameron. You know it's funny man doing this show now with all these guys from the baltimore police department who i love and some of these guys are just like such. You know. Sort of feel fearless. You know strong tough guys. But they're coming on the set. You put a camera in their face. You see another kooky gets tight man to get all nervous and shit. I'm like you get nervous. And and you see man. It's like that's great to put yourself in a situation where you can overcome something. I think that's so that's so. That's so beautiful so so there's something about doing it on film to but doing it in front of you know thousand people in a theater That's a different. That's a different deal. I got a ton of respect for anybody. Who does that like broadway. Was that step to the big time. Then like you know feeder for me. That's just kind of always. I never really had any desire to do anything on camera. I'd never when i was in new york doing theorized theater company. I mean there's i mean when when my wife met me i was doing place where there is more people on stage in the audience was not looking good but but i loved it and she believed in me. And that's of all i i really needed But i think that like you know what i saw. Was you know in new york the new york stage. I'm sure there's there's there's things that are equivalent with with with wrestling. You couldn't really get a real good part in the new york stage unless you were it. Was you unless you recognize. We'll face from tv or movies. Because that's the only reason. I ended up going to california and trying to get in tv movies. Because i wanted to get back on stage. But then i just got so darn busy things just kinda so like i. I have not gotten to get back on stage. Nearly as much as i would like. But but but that's definitely you know that's definitely in the cards for the future right. You just talked about that. You ended up creating your own theatre. Company called fo vo floods. We always the inspiration for that. How did that come to be. You know that was is a group of youngsters you know when i was first starting It was was a group of young people that i met this one guy particular. Josh chambers. i'll tell you kirkman he was. He's the best artist ever gotten to work with. You know the he was almost like too big of a genius. If you've ever known some like this but he's almost was too big of a genius for the world he. He was a a prodigy guitarist right all his own music. You right place. Just sorta nonstop. He ended up going over to europe and directing these huge operas and you know sadly he died this past year i was i was at his funeral. Young may dad way too early You know he just kind of made some some tough decisions in his life. Started spiral again. It was almost like his mind in his heart. Were too big for his world. But you know for a long time what we were doing. It was a group of young actress. Man we lived in bushwick brooklyn back in the nineties. When you we'd be in rehearsal we'd be hearing people getting killed right on our block. We anytime anybody would have to go to the subway. We walk in a group. It was not bushwick like what people think it is. Now it was and you know we live. There's twelve less living there for four hundred dollars a month you know. And and we just put on shows who put him on in dc in york wherever we could do it and it was it was scrappy and it was humble But that's really where. I feel like i made my bones because You know i was I got to do things. It was a very. He wanted to make cedar that was like professional sports. That had the same stakes as professional wrestling. Prevent you know they it you know he would do things like i mean crazy. Shit like throw bags of crickets into the audience and have lobsters and dogs run around just like insane stuff and all done like kind of beautifully and elegantly but it was completely wacko and insane at the same time but it really shaped me. you know. I work with directors now in hollywood. And they're just really wants you to push the envelope Brother you don't even know how like i'll do whatever yet very nothing. I i'm not gonna i'm gonna try and i'm really grateful for those guys that i got to have that kind of sort of experience you know and i think as young as young artists that's important you know well you've done a lot of guest spots and work with shows that have only lasted one season. Is there one of those that stands out in your mind. Did any of those experiences make you question. An actor jon. You you mean shows that got canceled. Yeah just just kind of a man. I'm so grateful to be doing anything you know i really try to. I don't know about you guys. I i really try to not be too result. You know oriented you know i. I can't do anything about whether the audience comes to see her. Whether reviewers like it you know for me. It's about the people on the box with on the day the crew in the cast. Were making it like. Do you know making sure everybody feels respected. Everybody feels like they're putting their best work. They're doing something special that day. And i just wanna go home at the end of the day and no i left it on the field I'm go home most days kicking myself punch mice either talking about giving what i missed. I'm always looking for what didn't work it. Just kind of my nature sadly but but but but i think that like every every experience. There's movies that i've done shows that i'd done. I don't think anybody seeing. But i take you know unbelievable. I got so much from those areas. Because i think at the end of the day. I don't know how you guys feel colonel. Know how you feel about this with with your career. But i i think at the end of the day man. It's all about the people you meet. It's about the relationships. You make your family your friends. And i i. I think we're so blessed to be people who have followed our dreams. And i think the success is not about again sort of where we arrive or google or what we've done. It's about the relationships we made along the way the respect that we've earned that the challenges we've overcome the things that we've done sor together as a group in now. I just feel super lucky to be doing. It's obvious never for show got cancelled shows like you to be there in the first place. I mean i got you. Man love talking about our friends over at rock auto dot com. Because they're a family business man. They've been serving auto parts customers online for like twenty years. Give me favorite rock dot com and shop for all your auto and body parts from hundreds of manufacturers. 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I kind of made a decision in my life. That that You know it's gonna really tried it to change my life for for the better and and stop doing a lot of the things that were wanting me up in trouble. I was going to really commit to my work and really commit to your knees. Aaron get married. And i got. I got married right after season one. No when i read that script of the walking dead was unlike anything i'd ever read before You know i think dare about wrote something that I was never really into zombies or anything like that but there was just something about that world. That was so honest and so true. And i thought that wouldn't amazing character for this guy shane. You you meet him. He's like having a good conversation with his best friend. They're having a couple of burgers sharing a pile of catch up with their french fries. He's giving him advice on his wife. And i knew that within the courts to two seasons he was gonna sleep with his friends. spread like you knew all these places. We're going to go. And i look at that like like on a ship boos along the water of like these these places. I know i'm going to be able to hit with this character. This guy's going to be able to really lose his mind in front of the audience. And when i first auditioned for that show i auditioned for rick in you. Frank air about really didn't know which way which role to sort of like focus on me with and i said look back and make this easy on you. I wanna play shane. He said you know shaves not going to be around that long and you know for me man. I didn't care at all. I you know i read that monologue about women and not turn off the lights and i saw that where this guy was headed and i didn't know whether the show is going to be successful or not that that was sort of the you know. I never really think in those terms. But i knew that i could say something with that. That part i knew that i could. You know my my heart could get into it. And i i could find some sympathy for this guy and and and and and i knew people would of hate him and i dug that well. You weren't there long but you certainly knocked it out of the park with that character. And i appreciate you saying mean the one reason. My wife can't wait to watch as soon as we're done recording so with that i see what's up man. Well that's great as someone who's been in sales most of my life and i'm sure you get this question often. What was it like filming the wolf of wall street. That's become a movie of legend for many reasons in the sales community may look scorsese's that you know. He's he's the mountaintop for me no. He's my favorite filmmaker You know there's a. I don't know what you know for me. Man i find in. And i think this is probably true with a lot of business. I know it's true in sports with really great coaches You know thing was score. Says he is. It doesn't matter who you are. You could be driving the dan. You could be cooking the food holding the lights. You could be background or you could be leonardo dicaprio. He invites everybody the table to come in and be the absolute best. They wanna be. It's complete freedom. there is it. There was a feeling onset. Every take was different. Everything was improvised. You never knew what was going to happen. You know what. I was talking about that scene. There's a scene in that movie. Where where leo says. Hey mommy this pen you know. And i say okay. You know pat than we did that whole supply demand when he was walking to set that day. There's a new york city detective that was in charge of his security. And that detective said to leo. Hey man you know i i. I had a job interview with the real wolf of wall street. When i was younger and leo said really needs to what happened. He said well he handed me. A pencil told pen. Oh wow leo. Just hit that in the scene without telling anyone and in my you know every every day every scene it was something like that. It was just like you know. I had this idea that. I wanted to have ketchup in the scene. And then. I threw this bottle of ketchup in bro. All over these people in the middle of the scene at all the woman who was playing the waitress who you know. She's a background actress. But you know it's a score. Says he movie. So that woman is a broadway actress. You know it's the best the best. She runs over with new bottle of ketchup. She's everybody's so involved in in everyone's doing their best. And i really think that's because score says he doesn't he. He's not locked into one way of doing things. And i think i think the great bosses and coaches and leaders know how to bring out the best and everybody in. They really don't know how to create an environment of freedom and where you can be courageous and try things and fail and you'll be all right because that's the only way we'll bring the best out of us into your that. There was no movie. I think i did that. Change the way. I worked more Now worked with deniro right after. I did that movie and i did. One take with him into niro said man i can see. You've been working with marty. Just after our first steak. He said just by the way. You're working how you're changing it up and how you're always trying to be different. Yeah so so yemen. That was what what an honor and wouldn't experience you know but it goes back to what you said earlier about how you evolve through the relationships that you missed in the influences so there you go. I think that's right man. I i think that's right and ntsb you'll have a friend named I have a friend who had done another movie with with whisker. Says he said you know. He was a little bit younger in his career. And he said you know he saw people trying all this wild shit and he was in the departed. He said you know you know everybody's just doing the craziest up and he was a little bit like you know man. People don't really know who i am. I'm gonna kinda play cool and just trying to be sort of a good soldier and he gonna give you a bit of advice. Don't do that man. Go nuts like forward and i was really grateful that he told me that. Because that's really what what what score says he wants. And you know once you start doing that. He'll just bring more of you and there's a reason why you know. His movies are the way they are. You know you want you to bring her creativity to the -solutely any encourages you to do that because you know how it is. When you're stifled. I think anyone in this world you know. It doesn't matter what your job is. But when you got somebody over you telling you how to do it do it my way. I think nothing says nothing reeks of mediocrity more than somebody saying you know limiting what you can do saying just you just do the man like do. You're here for a reason. Go do your thing and maybe you'll surprise me. Maybe you'll be way better than i ever imagined. Maybe your ways way better. But it's about. I think inspiring allowing you to take some risks and field so i try something else but like not limiting you and force feeding you. You do things a certain way. I mean i. I think that's the american way you know. You moved into executive producer as well as the acting side of things. Was this something that was always a goal for you or did it just happen. You know. I think. I think it just kind of happened. You know i. It's become a real goal. It's but you know as i do more and more work You know. I d- their stories that i really wanna tell their stories that I really believe in and people that i've gotten to know who have stores atone. I really wanna help tell them and You know the fact that they're let me sort of have a seat at the table at some of these things. And let me do some my own writing in simone filmmaking You don't it's an honor. And i take it really seriously that being said i think like you know an acting. I'm starting over on this. I don't want anybody to just handed to me. You know i i. i believe in the projects. I'm trying to make in the stories that i'm trying to tell and i'm fine with humbling. You'd i'm fine with putting the proof out there in showing what i got so far. You know the response has been. I've been really blessed Gotten and i really want. It's really what. I wanna continue. Continue doing i love. I love helping you. Tell other I love helping. Tell other folks stories. But i also really wanna tell my own and i wanna help people that i love and care about. Tell their own. And i think that's a I think that's that's a really. It's an enormous privilege. You know to be able to do that. 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Well we're Queued up here to talk about marvel but before we get there i'm gonna practice. What martin scorsese says and go off script here and just rangel back in a little bit more on walking dead the show success once you go off the show. I want to put a little closure here. It continues to go on even to this day and still have tremendous success. Do you still keep up with the show. Keep up with the cast. What kind of Connection do you still have to. What's all going on there. And can you believe how successful that franchise has john. I am sorry to your paul. I just saw an ad on tv. That if you look like a zombie and our new episodes of walking dead or you come back you come back to the i just might be tommy. Kurt what are you doing here. Daddy looked face was way. Not that i know of man. Unless they're put pastors this stock footage you know just as long as they're not paying me you know. I don't know nothing about that man. I'm not coming back. But but but i but i will say You know the crew in georgia that make the show and the cast of that. Show your love those people with all my heart. You know i i was. I was really blessed. Any lincoln stairway. Kallis you both have young families right when i was about to start mine. And they were great models for me about how you could be. You know professional actors in and also put your family first. Scott wilson. Who we lost young jeffery demand irony singleton. Your norman. Readers is one of my best friends in the world steven john. You know that that that that core original group melissa mcbride. We started something that was very humble. Nobody thought that show was gonna be what it was. Gotta be you know. We didn't have trailers there wasn't craft service. We just hiked down in the woods. And there's something about making zombie. Show ya frank. Darabont told us right off the bat if you have six actors walking through the woods and you're you're trying to play that there's zombies if one of you isn't taking it absolutely seriously if you're all trying to be quiet but the one of us just worried about your fricken make up or just kind of walking. It blows it for everybody so it was really like. It was almost like being on a football team. Everybody had to commit fully all the time to make it work and you know that group really did that like i went. I'd never had so much fun on a show. And i never had so much fun with a group of people you know. Real family was was built. There specially in georgia with the community the the cast and crew with a crew. I'll be honest with you. Know it was. I felt like hey. Here's another wall. Finally i get on a show. It blows up. It's the biggest damn shown. Ask nick kill me twice of your shit and get out here. you know. i've i've said it before i You know my my my son. Henry was born during second second. The second season i son. And you know what i doubt i think in episode twelve. I went back to go spend a little bit of time with him. And i flew back to georgia and pick up my dog. My truck and i went back on set to go say goodbye to everybody in hiked into the woods and i saw everybody kinda doing their thing on set and how they moved on without me and i realized just sat on this rock kind of had tears in my eyes. Because i you know. I love this group and i saw them all doing their thing and i i decided against going over there you know making about me and said i just watched this beautiful machine. You know there were fighting. All these zombies in the barn was on fire. And everyone's doing their thing. I was so proud. And i'm so grateful that i got to be a part of such a thing not be honest. It's it's it's a sad is that was saying about the people you know when i look at it now. It was such a blessing for me to do what i did on. That show had that experience. Make those friends. But may i've gotten do you know so much great stuff and i'm really happy. I'm not doing that now. You don't really happy that you know they. They've gotten to stay there and do that. Not gotten have all these sort of new relationships in new experiences so But but enormously proud and grateful that i got to be a part of that end. It's you never underestimate the power that show. I mean what what what they were able to do with. That show was is truly mind-blowing. How many people you know tapped into something. That i think we all and i think you know. The pandemic sorta has reawakened. We've all wondered. What would you do if the veneer of society got stripped away Rule started go out the window. And i think shane has a character. Use was the first one to kind of figure that out. You know you're not at first season. He's he's beaten at that guy who's who's beaten on his wife you. He starts beating his ass on the on the beach and he hits them it hits him again. I think it is mind. You realize zone. This world i could just keep hitting you can kind of do it and and in like the colonel this idea which then carried the show ford. I love that that got that guy got to start with shane. And i love of discovering that having those ideas. I real quick wanna remind you to check out. Conrad reviews dot com. If you think what i'm saying is too good to be true about save with conrad dot com check out. Conrad reviews dot com. That's where you'll see a five star review from a man robert up in warren michigan. He said diana brandy made. Marie finance simple. Only took one phone call to get the process started and the team was great with pondering. My busy schedule. Ninety nine percent of the communication was done via email. I was able to refinance out of my original. Fha loan at a better rate even with the cash took out for a kitchen remodel by new mortgage. 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That was a big one. That's a big time series. It's been a big impact on our society last ten years. That's right absolutely gorgeous. They've really something incredible. There you go all right well. As of late the marvel franchise seems to be taking over. And you were a big part of it with next the netflix version of it. And were you hesitant. Joining that superhero franchise As far as that goes with that flex was i. I was hesitant. Look i've never had any real aspiration to to to be like play superhero. That's the guys that. I really love and respect in my business. You kind of have not done that. And and You know once. I kinda it was two things i mean. Once i really dove ended. Who frank castle was and then. Once i saw what vincent to now for your own charlie cox do it on daredevil in the kind of show that that was I i had to do. I think with frank castle more than anything else man. You know like you. If i wasn't a father and a husband if i didn't if i didn't love my family so much more than i love myself. I could never tap into the idea of what it would mean if somebody took them from me and that that like first step is like something happens in me where it's all of us who have families we we know it you know. It's it's a place at scary in stark. And i've always thought that like the best things that you're going to do in this world of the things that scare the shit out of you like it's scaring you if you feel like you can't do it at your free to walk down that road. May you better run down that road especially as an artist. Like that's you gotta follow that. And frank castle manager scared the shit out of me. What i knew would bring out of me. What would what it was sort of mean you know in terms of like the the head space you know that i want to have to be living in it and and and then i think more than anything you might relationships sort of with with the military community in this country in the law enforcement community in this country and how much that character resonates with them a with them in and how much folks have gone and fought and died for this country that punisher skull on their body armor how much responsibility that is in what that means in that that has actually been boating people to walk and take the hardest walk at that a man can can take for our country for our kids for our freedom and so you know that character is just it was just such a it scared the shit out of me but like what what. What an unbelievable honour man and You know and i just knew. I knew i had. I knew i had to do it. And i knew i was. I was horrified about. You know messed it up. So i i. I just put everything that i possibly had into it. I'm i'm really grateful that i that i got the shot with john as a wrestler. You know this i. I did my own stunts on the set of the punisher. You did yours as well. What was that like You know i look at you. Know man i i. I love that you know i. I wouldn't have it any other way you know. I think it's a real a. I think it's a real disservice to character. You know when actors are having people step in and do that for them because you can't be with the there's so much emotion in in violence in how you fight and the the little moments of of fear and of getting the upper hand feel like you've got the lower hand feeling like you don't know what the there's so much to play in that and there's so much you to actually be with the character within the violence within the struggle. It's everything i mean. That's why you know the unbelievable you know with With pro wrestling unbelievable sort of alchemy of unbelievable athleticism violence and performance. It's like it's wide so huge you'll I love that man for me you the days that i got to fight you. Don't training with you. Know the the stunt team on that. Show there my brothers you know. They're they're the people. I'm closest with train every single day. You know eric linden He was my he was my double to start and then he became coordinator. We worked out together with. Learn the fights together. You know those guys were always pushing each other. And i think it's an absolute crime. You know that stunt performers aren't recognized more in hollywood you know they don't get an academy war and create you know the best know the best upcoming directors right now are all extinct coordinators. You know there. There's there's a level of precision in ingenuity and creativity among stunt performers that. It's the same thing that you guys are doing in wrestling like. Somebody has to choreograph that until the story of each of those fights. And in the meantime you're putting your body on the line. I mean everyone knows how much you've been banged up and like man i got. Ya got knocked unconscious. I think three times in the course of punisher broke. A few bones view dislocations should happen and n I wouldn't have it any other way. You know I i hold it as a real kind of badge of honor that i was part of this stunt team that i was a stunt performer on that show rather than just an actor and there's no way i think that the role would resonate with people if you were always shooting the violence from the back of my head you know you got to be on the face yeah john. That's exactly where i was going to ask you. Were there any horror stories with some of the stunts that you had to perform in those shows. You'll look not whore injuries man but compared to like what there there are real horror stories. You know within the stunk community and again you know just sort of given my kind of shoutout and my You know overwhelming support for that community. Every year we do lose stunt performers and and again you know. They're you know. Television as stunts are becoming more and more They want movie quality stunts on a tv show on tv schedule where they don't have the time and they don't have the money and it's dangerous and these guys are putting their they're not just let me. I break my hand or you know a couple ligaments like big deal. There's there's there's there's guys who were literally putting their life on the line and we lose people sometimes a lot of that time a lot of times when that happens is because we're trying to cut corners and this community is so unrecognized recognized again for their creativity in their sacrifice. And you know it's like it's what we look the marble movies you know. That's it's taken this country by storm. We love that stuff. You're that is most of that. Performance is not these movie stars that we all know and love. It's got you know when that mask is on you know there's an unbelievable stunt performer in there doing unbelievable things in putting their their their their body in their health on the line. And i just think they need a lot more recognition than they get. I think you're right. You're absolutely right about that. You made a track sort of into the pro wrestling business when you're appeared in the peanut butter and falcon. Did you get a chance to work with. Jake roberts and mick foley or be around some of the pro wrestling scenes you know man now that i'm a huge huge fan of of of of both of theirs. I did not man. I i really just jumped into that movie a little bit. You know my friend Shy at the time was going through some stuff next. Need to go down there and help them out a little bit. But i i was not there long and i was not there long but it was a wonderful movie in and A a beautiful beautiful. I think you know zach You know did a beautiful job in that and it was another one. I was just grateful to be down there well. The biggest film to ever take place with pro wrestling was the movie. The wrestler with mickey rourke. Did you ever see it. And if so what did you think of it. I love the wrestler. Aaron ski i loved. I think that again i think any time you know. I think the strongest thing that sort of your movies can do is can take to Specific place in a specific time and painted. It can be time. Traveling machine can take place. You didn't get an invitation to and and sort of lift back the curtain. So i mean you know obviously Kurt you know. Be being married to to to aaron. You know i've always had. I've always been a wrestling fan. But then also knowing not only kurds her roic in what he did for this country the olympics in the athleticism but then also what he's done as as as an athlete a performer in pro wrestling. I had this sort of your remember per you know we we came in. We came at saw you once. I think it was in madison square garden. New york longtime ago in hogan was wrestling. And you were there. And i think you would. You would kinda like hurt your leg and and you know it was. I was with aaron. And and you know when you everyone sort of you know how it is everyone screaming and go wild but you you. You had kind of mess up your leg. You're holding your leg and aaron was so upset you know what i mean and i was like come on. He's he's doing great he's four. He's not really hurt. You don't understand like what that you know and I don't know i. I think that you know with that movie did is it just pulled back the curtain on and said so much about your people's dreams and the road that we take and where you are kind of on the road and and what what you're doing it for in the first place and i just think life is a journey and i think anytime somebody who's made a decision to go and follow your dreams you've committed to that journey and you are where you are on that journey and there's there's highs and lows in good goods and bads and and i don't know i just. I really dug that. I really dug. I thought they did something really special with it. Well upcoming i know you're part of the many states of newark. Which is the prequel of the sopranos for. Hbo we fantasy apprentice when it first came out. Oh man yeah. I mean that was my favorite show her. Oh yeah then. When i was in acting student coming out yob is just getting into new york and that was at the height of sopranos. Fever yeoman all. I wanted to do i just want to be on. That set like i would have done anything just to be an extra I tried so hard to get in front of those casting directors. It was just my dream. I love this show And you know so. When i had that opportunity i i kinda jumped in it jumped on just just to be in that world But i'll tell you my my my my the reason why that one's really special for me. Is you know michael gandolfini. Who's james gandolfini son. His plan plan the young. Tony playing the role that his dad played before his dad died. And you know michael's been kinda going on this journey of trying to get to you. Know he grew up with his dad. Is tony soprano in new york. He's only had a few years where he wasn't tony. Soprano before he died and and you know. Mike is just on this like unbelievably sorta like courageous and beautiful journey are trying to get to know his dad better and get to know people that knew him and he was going around the country kind of talking to friends and mentors and teachers you know he had to dive into this part of this iconic part of tony soprano and and and keeping that role in the gandolfini family and then i got to play his dad. Johnny boy and i really was very protective of mike. And i love this young man. I was so proud of what he did. And so proud of. You know taking you talk about like a scary road you know. It's those are cute shoes to fill. And just feel this Unbelievable closeness damn. I'm proud of him enormously. Protective develop so I think that's just really cool and i was. I was really glad to sort of be there with mike for the first time. In thirty seven years the national wrestling alliance returns to the chase park plaza in spiritual home of the nwea saint louis missouri. 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August twenty ninth. Well listen we know that your big into charity and in my research i found out that you and your brother nicholas run. The nonprofit organization drops fill buckets. Can you share with our listeners. All about that organization german. You know i. I think the idea of jobs so buckets. When i started was just you know you got all these folks sort of around the world who you say you really wanna do good and and and people. I mean we really believe in the inherent goodness in everyone that we all kinda wanna help. But i think you know my brother really kind of came up with the idea you know. He's my little brothers and amazing guy you know. He's an all american quarterback in high school. We played football basketball princeton. You now. He's this huge cancer surgeon out in la Had some cancer out people's bones but he takes half of his time. He's built hospitals in india in africa and he travels down to very rural poor areas in mexico industrial surgeries. He really believes in giving back and you know his his. Sorta idea of joshua buckets Was that you know instead of kind of giving money to these big organizations where you never really know where the money's gonna go get groups of young professionals all over the country all over the world and and people can decide on one thing. One thing where this much money will actually solve a problem. There is this area in india where seventy five percent of the women that were going into child. Labor were dying on the way to the hospital because they had to walk so he said what if we were to buy an ambulance in three years. Supply fuel for that and so we've found out how much that would cost and we just had a bunch of fundraisers just to kinda cure that problem right there and then you can kind of go around the country. People can have ideas. Hey there's this dog shelter. Hey there's something for tier one special forces soldiers with ptsd. Suicide rates are Often get one issue at a time. Try to take care that one issue so specific in its focused rather than you're just kind of throwing it into the charity. So yeah yeah you know my brothers in amazing guy you know. He's he's he's doing a lot more good for the world. And i will tell you that much so are you. And that's amazing. You're also heavy into pit bull ownership and your dad was a board member for the humane society that impact your love of dogs in y. You're spokesperson for the animal. Farm found that. Yeah man you know like i think you know my parents Parents had a huge influence on me. And they still do you know they they. They took in foster kids. Who are coming up in in dc. I really saw that kids whose whose parents abused them physically or sexually Kids whose parents were locked up kids kids would come into the home. You know a really in rough shape you know in a rough place. I saw especially with my mom. She always opened her heart to them. She always she never give up on them. You know no matter what they did she she she she. She always know the power of of loving child and saying. Hey i got your back no matter what i'm gonna. I'm not all this bad behavior. Monka judge you for that. I realized that that's just your way of expressing something that you don't really have the tools to express There's so much power in that. And grace and beauty in that. And i've really found for for for dogs especially know pit bulls fighting dogs in particular. You know i got no problem. It's like you know man if you know You've been a fighter your whole life. You know like i. I love box now. Always have two guys wanna going ring and and you know have it out work with each other even if you have something you gotta get off your chest. I got no problem with that. But don't put something out there to fight your place. You don't handle it yourself and i think the dogfighting thing you know it's just something that's really near and dear to my heart and taking these dogs in and we're bringing them back and bringing them through that journey giving them love and seeing how far that they can come just something that i think is you know it's just it's it's it gives me a a huge amount satisfaction and i think i've really seen you know with my dogs pit. Bulls have always had pit bulls in you know you you walk down the street with your dog and people across the street to main agree. Keep your pit bull away from my dog but his dog too and there's all this breed specific legislation. Where just in a community. They'll just make a law. That says okay. No pit bulls can be at these apartment buildings and these families have to give up their dogs and there's no focus or time put into will assistant aggressive dog as his dog. Who is this. Dog is an individual who is his family. What a day done to take care this dog and and i get it that these big dogs and sort of Larger breed dogs are not for everybody. And i think you with these kinds of dogs comes a certain level of responsibility and i really believe that. My dogs are ambassadors for the breed. You know i. I never want somebody to be afraid from you. Know the idea of intimidating somebody with your dog. there's there's nothing weaker lamer to me but I just think on these dogs really. Don't get a fair shake and You know if. I can help with that. There's just something that i I feel real connected to that breed. And and and you know i'll i'll i'll see it on the mountain. All day may give those dogs a chance. You know john listen. I came into this excited to talk to you. Because of what you've done in terms of your acting and walking dead and marvel and all this stuff. But i'm coming out of this Just really seeing that kind of classy individual. You your family. What you're doing for the community. The family dogs and whatnot just really impressed. And i can't thank you enough for being a part of this and we're closing this down right now with a final question. We speaking of family. I gotta get back to that to the angle family. And i gotta ask any pressure by kurt on you when it came to dating. Aaron i mean. Did he threaten an ankle lock. Was there any kind of submission. Any rough-and-tumble in the ring was there any going on to be honest with you. I think he's more nervous. My brother mark. let's hear it. We're getting to the end here. We gotta hear the inside scoop man. I don't understand paul no big mark angle. Is you know. I said it before. Kurt knows the day that i was. You know that i was coming to i. I came to pittsburgh to ask big mark. Erin stead for his permission to promote proposals daughter and we were all at. We're all at kurtz. Mom's apartment in we were hanging out in there. And kurt turned me says so. What are you doing here man because you aaron. Was there in as you know kurt. I'm i'm i'm about to go ask big mar for permission to propose and kurt was leaving. He goes all man he's like. I want to be in your shoes as like. I'm not going anywhere. I'm seeing right here. I mean you see it. I i love my father in law literally man. i love him with every fiber my bit like Like i love this man. He's been so good to me and he's got such a huge heart man and and He's he's a very fear. Dude man he is. He is no without a doubt. I cannot begin to explain to you. You know and and and and so you know for me. You'll kurt was always so nice. You know and kurt was like that. You know. kurtz always been told me in in that would mean curve always be really got along good and and being close i you know i was. I was scared shitless of mahathir law and and for for really good reason. That's like everybody i would get to. I remember the first couple of times. I went to pittsburgh and people would be like random pugh. Have you met her dad yet. And i'm like no. No that's why i'm here. Now he might be the toughest guy on the planet. You might be the tough guy in the country and they're saying that like honestly like they're not like you know they're not like that over and over yes so i mean that's really where the but we we've gotten We've got so close again end. I wouldn't. I could not imagine a better a better father on the big mark angle. You can't leave us on the edge though so the big talk obviously went well. He said yes he did and he was he was awesome. He hugged me and man he. He's he's something else. You should big mark on the show man. you're right and deep down. He does have a heart of gold he really wanted to go after the ads and the facade he puts out which is real. It's a real facade. Let's say it's really real but he's got a really big heart really you know. He's he's incredible incredible incredible. And all you got man. I think the angle family you know man. It's it's you know it's a legendary legendary family. You're you're your legendary american legendary hero to so many people. Kurt like your whole family and in that community. It's you know the angle family. That's you know it's it's an unbelievable family with an unbelievable history. And but but i'll tell you man it's you know everyone's got a huge heart heart gold and there's a lot of people there are a lot of people are scared of the angles loud. Everybody respects in. There's a lot of people that are here. But i will tell you man. There is so much beauty and heart that family in. I'm i feel. I'm just super blessed. I feel like i could be a part of it. You know you're a big part of john. Thanks man thanks kurt. Listen i wanna thank you for coming on the show. I love you brother. Please say hello and give my love. Aaron and the kids. Thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it man. I'll talk to talk to my love to everybody back to work. John nice dan. john's y'all take care. Thanks for having me. Thank you love you to rotate human our acre. Wow that was awesome. John byrne fell folks. He's the man. I tell you what i meant what i said like i didn't know really what to expect. I knew his track record has his movies and tv on earth humbles. Oh cool credible. Human being yeah. Yeah no that was a real treat and again just to hear kind of what he's doing the community with his brother and then all the charity work man just to class individual. Well listen kurt. Speaking of Lots of good things go on and individual. He had a lot to say about you and your family and i was thinking about you a little bit yesterday. Kurt did you know that. We're your years warm at all i was thinking about. I was talking about the olympics law. Not only the olympics but I decided to step up and put my money where my mouth was and i order. Not one not two. Not but three three orders. A chicken snacks are now on their way to the brumwell residence. That's right buffalo wings blue cheese pizza and jalapeno ranch are all on their way. I went to physically fit dot com. And i put in that code angle pod because i wanted to twenty percent off but just in the in the next few days or i will have my own chicken snacks. That is awesome. All you have to do is go to physically fit dot com or eleven different flavors. They choose from. Choose your favorite. And you're gonna love them. I promise next time. I'm i'm on here again with you. I will have be proudly displaying those packages. I can't tell you that they'll have anything in them. But i will at least keep the packaging. So that i can show proof of receipt but man. I'm really excited to try those out. You've been talking about them. And it's like i said i put my money where my mouth is and i can't wait to try them out. They sound delicious. And i've been seeing all that feedback on social media about people that are trying them. How good they are. So i want to get in on this man. I'm glad you did. You gotta love them. I promise paul all right buddy what else we can go to the kurt. Angle brand dot com. Isn't that right. Yes good occurred. Angle brand dot com. You can get photos cowboy. Hats milk cartons birthday cards t-shirts cameo video requests. There's everything on there. They're very affordable. I kept the prices very low so that people could afford it especially during this pandemic and i really appreciate. Everybody supported me. Listen another Another little scoop here for occur. Cameo dot com it works. Oh it's true it's damned true Because you know why. Last year for our victory lane Awards ceremony for my team. I purchased a kirk Angle cameo and he sent us a cameo congratulating my team for their achieving victory lane. So yes you can do that too. Got the video. Put it up on her presentation and you delivered an awesome speech and it did pop the team so lots of fun ideas that you can use a cameo. 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The Still Real to Us Show: Episode #534  5/7/20

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The Still Real to Us Show: Episode #534 5/7/20

"Us podcast dammit. It's everybody welcome to this week's edition. This still realtor show episode number five hundred and thirty four for. May Seven hundred twenty twenty this shore w. e money in the bank preview. An predictions edition of ASS ARE T. You we're coming up on. The annual may pay per view. And it's a little bit different this year and W headquarters. I am one after the show. I am Jeff. Pack joined every single week when my co host? The one doctor trae Franklin Doctor trae. What is up my friend? Nothing much is another day inside. The bubble Complain a lot of Madden lately and I admit it is so weird hearing Jonathan coachman voice when you're playing madden is still. I can't wrap my head around airing. Wwe people doing other stuff. I don't know yeah the weirdest thing I ever with when it came with Jonathan Coachman was like hanging out with them I think I've told that story on the show and it was like during Monday night. Football and stupid wrestling fan. Me The only thing I think of was like as he was like He. Bsn with me At a bar. We were all at He he he's talking to me and I'm like I watch this guy like five years ago probably leaving less than on Monday night raw on Mondays. And it's absurd that here he is now we're BS. Nba Jonathan Coachman. Good Guy Would love to get a mirror on the podcast someday and talks professional wrestling. Welcome everybody one in all once again. It's the bubble. It certainly is the bubble. I'm literally to the point now my life that I'm having trouble knowing what day of the week it is And that's not coming with old age it just because literally every day's the same and the only way I get through this doctor. Trae honestly is what I know. Professional Wrestling Show is on any means. So if it's if it's Monday if I know Rotzang tonight and I look at my my television APP okay. It's Monday vic- impact wrestling dark side of the ring into me back stage. Oh It's Tuesday Wednesday I look on obviously Awa dynamite and Thursdays. There's no wrestling on. It's like the one day of the week unless you hop over to the network and You Watch Annex T. UK. Like probably will. After this podcasts. Over Friday I look smack downs on a Saturday Sunday. That the reprieve unless you're be watching money in the bank or the last dance on ESPN Which is an actual conundrum. It I'm going through is a fan of both of those products right now but that is the struggle right. Now that is the real life struggle in the cove nineteen pandemic first and foremost I hope you and your families and your friends are doing. Okay with everything going on For the next hour. So we're going to get you ready for this cup coming. Sunday's paper view. We're going to look back at the world professional wrestling and we hope We are able to get your mind off things as much as it does for us as well always sit here and do this podcast each and every week a doctor trae. Let's start with our first story here this week. It was Something that we talked about a couple of weeks ago when all the massive releases happen in world wrestling entertainment and They cut a considerable amount of their talent following The the aftershocks of the pandemic from a financial and economical standpoint as business. Tony Kahn. Awa brought them up. And how they would react to Cova nineteen pandemic. He brought up and addressed. Aws Finances on their eight of your unrestricted podcast. I have not listened to the podcast yet and just to be completely transparent here. The quote obviously doesn't completely reflect his the way that he is delivering the message. But I will read the quote and I think what we'll talk about in the quote is what's very important here. He says and I quote Tony. Kahn we were on a really good run. What was happening between revolution and double or nothing. This was going to be the best run of business we've ever had and we've lost millions and millions of dollars in live events. I don't take it lightly but I can't take it on the people that work here because it's not their fault. We've really not let anybody go. Here's a company and look. I'm going to be honest is gonNA come a day where somebody we're going to have to but now is not the time. This is a hard time for everybody. It's a hard time for us but I have to look at the bigger picture in the big picture. We're in such good shape where the second healthiest wrestling company in the world. And that's a really great place to be and we haven't let a single person go to do it Go because of it. He writes Emir unrestricted podcast. That was from Tony. Kahn I off. In this quote. They were on a really good run in between revolution double or nothing could not agree more. Aws been on fire really since the launch of the first part of this is coming from two guys that were pretty critical of the product As they were building and then as they launched in October of last year the mention of losing millions and millions of dollars in live events. That's a pretty big deal The quote that I and like I said I did not listen to the podcast. This is just what was written from wrestling. Inc DOT COM. We've really not let anybody go. Here's a company I. That seems a bit strange. We've really not let anybody go. I guess maybe somebody has been let go. We need some clarity. Should listen to the podcast and see what he meant by that. But he's saying Dr Trae that they're kind of biting the bullet right now financially for eight. W they're going through this bad period of time economically they're not making any money at the gate And it it hurts a brand new wrestling promotion that just launched. There are feeling if w ease feeling it. Everybody else's feeling it. They're feeling it at the gate right now and they had a big show coming up in new work. Had big show in Rochester The week before the week after that they had their last event live in front of fans and it just could not come as a worse time for for aws as a business But what I thought was interesting. There is that they feel like it's he feels like at some point. This domino effect is eventually going to catch up to them. They're gonNA have let somebody go I thought that was very telling. I thought it was very telling an honest and very big and bold of Tony Kahn. To address the finances of Awa just going to be very transparent with the fan base. They don't have to be but he is and he's saying the truth is he saying what probably most of us felt was the truth with. Aws Your thoughts here. Tony Kahn addressing the potential financial ramifications of revenue loss during the covid Nineteen Pandemic for eight W. O. In this is going to be. I guess a little bit aid of your family made. That's that's probably up here. First of all it's it was really refreshing that you know he came out. Did this interview now. It is in a controlled environment. It's AWS podcasts But to kind of. Be Frank about what's going on. I mean I if Vince did that. Make national headlines. A lot of ways We get hundred doing it to a degree but I mean Tony Kahn. Three come out and say this is what's going on that. It was really refreshing But you know we talked about. Obviously both brands have lost a lot of money. Because you can't do live gates You know so. That's that's a big thing they're doing. These live shows with you know and their position different. Www running their non televised live events. And those are done aws like. Hey we're GonNa do our live shows but we have a big audience. I mean you pack ten thousand twelve thousand people in their thirty bucks forty bucks a pop you know. That's a pretty big payday for the company Without that you're gonNA keep losing money and I respect the man for going yet. You know what this is. Not The show's fault. This is not the performers fault. We're kind of taking on the Chin and eating it To make sure everything's okay. But he's absolutely right at some point. Is it happened with everybody? In this in this whole pandemic at some point this stuff you're gonNA generating and mortgaging your future on is. GonNa come back and you got to pay up some point so you know the one thing you can look at you. They've kind of made some headway with talent. That was not even on their roster. You look at you know bringing in a guy. Like a cody Preston Vance. He's now ten as part of the dark order. You look at this other guy. With Pineapple Pizza Aka dumpers. They're kind of making some. You WanNa say stars. But they're making some noise with guys that obviously don't cost as much as a Danila Pentagon Ray Phoenix guys. That we really haven't seen a ton of since this all broke out so if people have to get moved around you're like hey we could shave. Some talent costs over here because we can do stuff on these young indy. Guys that we've kind of made some noise with during the pandemic so they're going to have to you at some point recoup these losses and make some talent cuts and if they do at least they've kind of almost you primed the ground For his years younger towns they've been working with on. Aws Dark when you hear him. Say The mentioned that they've lost millions and millions of dollars in live events. We talked about this on last week. Show Awa double or nothing is is coming up here on Saturday. May Twenty third does does him being honest about his finances to you and then also looking at and this is into dig it to our own personal finances. We have no idea what the prices even right now as I sit here. I don't know what the prices for double or nothing does that. Make you want to you know in a way support? Aws a little bit more with their pay per view and a couple of weeks As far as your buying the actual pay per view probably not. Because I don't have we don't if it if it's still coming in at nine hundred nine you know. I don't really have the interest sixty bucks laying around but now it's like okay if if they throw a pineapple pete shirt up on aws shop. I'm more likely to buy that at fifteen or twenty bucks a or thirty bucks a pop. You know for that where that's what I can use and reuse in wear over again where watching the paper you live is great but once it's done it's done and I don't get a replay value. That's one of the upsides of the network is I can watch money the bank coming up this Sunday and if I wanNA come back and watch again on Wednesday or watch again on Friday or watch months from now I can do that. You don't have that luxury with. Aws programming right now. You by their views feel free to chime in at S. RT PODCAST is Tony. Kahn addressing the financial woes so far during the Copa Nineteen pandemic for all elite wrestling. Moving forward here with our way to new Japan so are just cancel. All their June live events and new Japan pro wrestling has no shows announced for June and beyond Let's start with new Japan here. This comes from resonate dot com. The wrestling wrestled dynasty show set for August twenty. Second Two thousand twenty at Madison Square Garden in New York City has been postponed to a to be announced date in two thousand and twenty one. New Japan currently do not have any future show scheduled for June or beyond the company said that announcement will come sometime in the future in regards to satisfy future shows keeping in mind the safety and Ross of wrestlers and fans more from resonate in regards to wage the cancellations include the wage. Best in the world pay per view which was scheduled for June nineteenth in Baltimore. Maryland are which is giving refunds for all three events that were canceled. The best in the world pay per view the June fifth live event in Dallas the June. Six love and San Antonio as well Are Wage a new. Japan are wages not had a show since the middle of March New Japan has not had a middle has hasn't had a show since February this is obviously very trying times for the world professional wrestling the fans. Obviously but once again here another business standpoint Dr Trae canceled all that are June line of events. New Japan has known shows announced for June beyond Is this the right move for both of these companies in your opinion for them to kind of hold pat and wait for things to slow down with covid nineteen it? I think it's almost like a necessary. I don't know if so much right or wrong is know for one. You're not going to run a show in New York. I mean there's just no way around it so you have to Kansas stuff You know we've seen aws www doing the stuff in Florida now. Because it's been deemed essential that does create an opening for other shows. If you want to show and you can find a venue yeah you can go do a show in Florida but you know for for companies like new Japan. If you're trying to make headway in the United States you. You're not gonNA be able to do it unless you can actually get an audience in there to help cover your travel costs so for both countries is probably the smart thing to do Almost more out of necessity than the abstract clause of ours in health is also like you really can't do it Unless you know somebody who knows somebody who can get you into a building in Florida. Basically right now yeah. It's unfortunate but I think they're kind of They are there are victims of the way that their businesses built like new. Japan does not have a weekly television show. In Japan are wage They do have a weekly television show but they seem to think that it's probably more cost effective for them and I don't know what they're doing financially with the wrestlers right now to just kind of take this as a goes rather than going out there and having a show like impact. I think from A. Us standpoint is very similar impact wrestling where they have their shows on on networks. That aren't as big as TNT. In USA network like aws. W W we have. But they're out there and people watch them. It's it's extremely unfortunate. I mean this is. We don't know what the momentum would have been like for our wage. People are teasing right now. That was going to be hitting into a very big swing year right now which leads me to believe especially with some of the announcement that they had. The potentially deal was place with him a new Japan to reunite as an and improve that relationship moving forward or can sit and continue to just keep things going with new Japan but potentially a little bit more than what we were seeing previously. I liked the move Dr Trae. I think it's the right move. I think it's the safest move I mean. Ultimately we are getting our fix as much as we can in professional wrestling and maybe a new Japan financially. Don't think it's beneficial from what they're seeing from viewership standpoint and this is just art my thinking on this entire thing with both w struggling right now. Viewership wise to put out a product for it potentially not even be watched and put these wrestlers. Harm's way yeah and not to mention I was listening listening to a lot of podcast as we have always kind of free time and I keep going back to when WCW in Eric Bischoff when bishops looking at By the company and then relodge in you know he was taking it off the air for six months because absence makes the heart refunder. You can then relaunch it. It's almost like getting a full reset on how you want to present your show instead of having to try to we've been conjugated storyline to get to where you want to be your literally not at the point where you can go weakness relaunch this brand new and not really have any complaints in the fans because you know I mean. Of course there's me. Those fans are like well six months ago. This guy was on top of the car. Now he's in the middle but you can actually go. Hey we have a whole new roster or we have new town that we can sign because there's been news releases we can literally just go. Hey Star or stop. Start fresh and kind of fresh Product everything else. So it is. There is a silver lining to this that you can kind of relaunch these shows in exactly the image. You want to be going forward instead of trying to do it. Slowly and only drag viewers along for the ride. Yeah it's it's definitely strange. Time right now in the world of professional wrestling but It's very difficult to to go against some of these moves because each one of these businesses and these these companies are different. So you can't really blame them for what they're doing right now. Moving forward thought. This was an interesting topic Dr Train. It came from an interview that Pete done did the one half of the NFC tag team champions while talking to talksport once again coming from wrestling INC DOT COM Pete Dunn said and I quote a much needed break away speaking about the covid nineteen pandemic. He said I think for years and years. We talked about maybe. Is there a way? That wrestling could avid kind of off season. I think this is a good trial for that for some of us to be able to be back in England with my family being able to train a bit differently to how I would if I was on the road and wrestling all the time he continued. I'm just trying to put a positive spin on something. Usually negative the coronavirus lockdown. But if I was going to have an off season than spending time with family training hard recouping and coming back better Was the end quote there from pedone while talking with talksport Dr Troy that Lens the question here is covert nineteen if there's any type of silver lining for what we're seeing right now. Is it a good trial for a potential wrestling off season in the future? Yeah I mean to to a degree I it's it is and it's not because you still have a lot of guys. I mean are that are on every single show but the biggest thing was comes to. Wwe Is your Rosser. That's not working is able to eat healed up get you know. Get all the bumps in burs the nagging injuries. Those are all the way I just I've never understood how with that roster being as deep as it is right now how you can't go. Hey we're GONNA set your contracts kind of like a was like when you back when you were in school where nine months out of the year. You're going to work then three months of the year. You're gonNA have often either space it out as hey you'll have a month. You know work. Three months have a month off three months of a month off because most storylines last about three months. You know you could do stuff like that. I don't understand why logistically it's hard for a company like wwe vacation time for got one hundred twenty performers. They might have under contract right now. I mean to me. It's not as difficult as they make it sound but it is. It's the silver lining of this whole thing has been that guy's like like p. guys like Kevin Ellison's the we haven't seen on TV Because of all the stuff they're going to be healed up and hundred percent fresh and you know either and it's also nice way to find out. Do you have that passion to be still be on that grind or do you want out and get a much more relaxed schedule that you can do yourself. So it's going to be interesting to see how a lot of these guys come out of it whether they're refreshed and refired up or there's like you know what. I kind of like that break and I want to stay in a little longer. Yeah that's going to be pretty interesting. I I would think that most of them are itching to get back to the grind a little bit there and so they could probably provide for their families and also hone their craft a little bit but it is an interesting statement that there is a bunch of wrestlers especially over in the UK for the NFC UK brand in any wrestlers. Right now that have decided that It's unsafe for them to to be working right now. And that's their choice and there's no. There's no bad reason why that should even be set like if if nobody nobody's comfortable. That's fine. Take this opportunity and kind of take a break for a little bit and I wonder as well like I. This is great for the wrestlers that they get an opportunity to kind of just Relax a little bit and And recharge their batteries. And I wonder when a done returns right like when the day comes that it's it's deemed safe again travels allowed from the UK over to the United States and vice versa. And that to me in my opinion is going to be some time. I can't imagine that we're going to see pedone an annex t US anytime soon right now but when that when they do come back you know you mention whether or not they may have the fire right. And I think the thing that we always hear from wrestling interviews is that anytime anybody is injured. And they're working. Their way back is if the fans will remember them And that's a pretty interesting case. Right you look at a guy like Pete Dunne when everything is quote back to normal again Dr trailer or release. It's in a safe form. Where some normal normal life can return. What do you think that reaction's going to be for some of these guys like when Roman reigns returns and I know he's been in the news a lot this past week because they're saying that he's been edited out of things If I watch smackdown tomorrow night. And he doesn't do the The fist into the ground to close the opening intro smackdown. Then yes I'll be worried done you know all these guys right when when the the The browser weights reunite. What's going to happen? How when Walter Returns and starts up his feud with within Ballard. What's GonNa Happen? Is this off season that we're currently scene? Is it worth the reward of when in return? I think it kind of depends on the perform. What kind of where they were at on the card you know for most fans like most fans Allen once they die hard for most regular fans. We know who done as we know who? These guys are now In always got to royal rumbles. We've had triple as you're seeing guys who've been out for nine months or a year and they make that kind of surprise return. How the crowd? Kinda pops for it Pedone shows up. You know inex- takeover somewhere you know. Once everything goes back to normal easily getting huge reaction. You Know Walters GonNA get as ain't gonNA reaction. Kevin owns get the same action. Now Ifan Dongo you know. Or if for some reason they signed victor and Connor Bat so in the guys are going to be a little lower the card. I don't think they'll get that kind of response but I think if you space it out properly with the guys returning. They're going to get their reactions. I just I w like fans in general like we love performers. We love everybody like we may say we Johnson. We may say say say we ate Roman reigns or whatever but when they go away and then they come back. They always get that big love response. I mean it's almost everybody university for maybe mid card up now once again you go back to lower guys maybe not so much but I mean everybody you know that bid card up if they're out for awhile and come back is that nicer. John Morrison gets a pop you when he was never a big deal in. Wwe really But you in each show about Yo and he shows back up all my John Morrison get super excited about it so I think it's good because it kind of does that whole freshness to each individual wrestler that as a bit on TV lately. Yeah you know. What's what's the one of the reasons. Why an off season has never worked out in professional. Wrestling is because professional wrestler's wrestling as a whole are their own worst enemies and what? I mean by that is is at right anytime. There's an off season. They feel like they take time off. Will the fans remember? Will I lose my spot and I just don't ever see it happening like I think we've talked about this in the history of the show. We've talked about that. They could literally have a group of stars and rotate them for like three months on end and then take them off the road for a week to a week. Two weeks three weeks to kind of keep them fresh. Maybe even a month. Let them have some downtime and spend some time with family state you know lick their wounds a little bit. But the Russel's themselves that are just machines. They never do it. John Cena didn't do it right wrong or indifferent whether you like them or not. The Guy did not do it for basically fifteen years. He was nonstop doing it and he was going to lose his spot. But it probably from like two thousand to two thousand eight. There was probably concern on. Johnson is part that if he was to go away they would just hand the torch over Grand Yorker or edge or whoever to run with the company from that point forward where he would lose it to a new young star like a like a shameless Daniel. Bryner the PUNK. Like that's why guys come back and girls come back so quickly and there's never an opportunity for an off season is because when they're at their highest of highs if you're headlining wrestlemainia and if you go away for a month or the fans got a care like are you gotta be in that same same spot that you were before and I think that's the reason why it never worked out Dr try wrestlers in general and we've joked about with guys on the indies is there. There's something mentally amiss to be a pro wrestler on any level like in reality. You're going out there to get beat up for the approval of strangers while in your underwear like there has to be something a little bit mentally off in your head to see. Then go yes. I love that. That's what I WANNA do In in for most of us there's always level of insecurity that's why we that's wars. Why both people get into this and they do and they love it. Is We get adulation? But then it's like. Oh if they don't see me they're gonNA forget who I am is like you know you like see. Remember when they had that weird injury looked like he had a softball coming out the side of his elbow. Right man he's GonNa be out for a while. It was like a week or two and he was back. And you're like how the. Hell D do that is like well obviously trainers as up but there is that layer of insecurity that hey I can be replaced at any time by any single person's Roger especially when you have a Rosser like w our it's so deep and there's so much talent That you know let's say if you're like Kofi Xavier Woods right now is he's GonNa be out for over nine months from the time I got hurt. He has to have that worry that a even like new days with a big merchandise sellers or is there still that level of insecure creeps in like are the fancier? Remember me when I come here because you know if you'll get the pecking order. He's probably the number three guy in the new day for him in reality he's probably man. I hope they don't forget who I am. Not Not that. I've been wildly successful. Part of seventy eight taking champions. He comes up with a lot of the creative weird stuff that they do. But there's that layer in the back of your mind that hey I have been cut by. Tna been shuffled around in annex t for a long time you know there's that doubt that's GonNa Creep in your mind when you're out for a while so I think that's why they have that mentality machine Nissim that you keep grinding it out no matter what because you're you're spot even though in a lousy. Nobody's replacing savior woods in new day. I mean they try we did. The Kevin is replacing big E for like quickly couple months and that was kind of flat. Like nobody's losing their spots If you're one of those mid card guys now once again lower card guys yeah you brothers your spot. But that's database of the beast. You leave and then you reinvent yourself and come back and you can be like Gender Andrew and win the championship One thing that we have learned during the pandemic here is that There's one spot shockingly that cannot be replaced and professional wrestling a spot that. I didn't realize I would miss it until it happened. And it's a spot that I kind of am part of Dr Trace. Part of an you listening is part of and that's the crowd and there are some rumors right now. That W W W could be able to have fans back during their live. Events here coming soon Once again coming from wrestling INC DOT com. The report is that Florida Governor Rhonda Santa's and is reopened. Florida taskforce have issued a three-phase plan to reopen the state according to W. P. L. G. Local ten on my favorite news stations phase. One begins on Monday for much of Florida this past Monday. With the exception of Miami Dade Broward and Palm Beach counties the plan for Phase. One states that people are encouraged to knock gathering groups larger than ten. An employer should continue teleworking answering employee's for symptoms of Covid nineteen if they have reported to work also it states at vulnerable populations including the elderly people with underlying health. Issues should stay at home during phase. One bars restraints. Nightclubs are being allowed to operate a fifty percent of the building. Capacity gyms and fitness centers will be allowed to operate up to fifty percent of its building capacity. La Theme Parks will remain. Close the report states the following which could include W. E. N. A. W. Large spectator sporting events should use strict social distancing guidelines and limits occupancy venues to twenty five percent of building capacity. We kind of saw that last night on. Aws Dynamite. It was a little bit of a head scratcher for me to see people in the crowd and I didn't think all of them were the crew especially when I saw little kids with their father at one point in between Both dallies place and The stadium of the Jacksonville Jaguars play on the main event of last night. Tag Team match which we'll go over here and a little bit but nonetheless Dr Trae. It appears that fans may be making their way back to live events here soon at least twenty five percent. Your thoughts is now a good time to have racing fans back in the building. Just because my name says does not mean. Have all the answers but I mean once again it kind of goes back and this is something you and I were touching off air. I if you can do things And be safe. If you can follow social distancing guidelines in Kinda keep things separate. It's it's it should be okay like there's a show running in Georgia first of June. Now it's going to be a show outside And part of their guidelines was if you guys ride to the the event together like in the same car then you don't have to follow Social Disney guidelines within your own group. You guys can sit next to each other because if you wrote in car for thirty or forty five minutes at one of you had it is going to stay in your little group like that's on you. That's not on the venue so that's not a bad idea like so like if with a show. Aws a group of six people. Excuse me travelling in from. Let's say North Carolina and you drive North Carolina Jacksonville. And you get the venue and you're like hey. The sixers came together. Sit those six people together. But then you have that social justice space between the end of that group and the next group But like I said if you can do things safely and follow the actual guidelines. I don't see what the issue is because of anything you're just doing. What the the smarter people quote unquote are telling you to do. I mean we're just dumb wrestler's wrestling promoters if the doctors and lawyers and politicians are telling us. Hey do it like this and you follow. Those rules Hey you're just doing smart people tell you to do? I think we're probably what a month away from fans being back into. The debris shows is that the feeling. You're getting a full capacity building. I still think I don't know if if wwe will ever do like what Awa did last night. Where there's a smattering of people like a man? That's probably the best way it wasn't like fifty percent it was there was small pockets of people but it you could still tell is pretty much empty. I don't know events would ever let a TV product. Go out where it's it's either empty venue or at least half the venue because you can still do some carping and do some things to kind of make it. Look Fault and be safe. I just don't know if he'll ever do one of those but yet probably I mean you really got to see how this whole pandemic tracks over the next couple of weeks. Mc If you know Florida can get the face to And if they get the face to it probably would run the first part of June. Let me to be fair. There was smackdown When they were on Tuesdays where like they were basically talking to black seats For the most part into a five live live live. Yeah so it's funny how to five. Live love the guys that arrests are there but to five did not get a lot of love from the fans still doesn't and you would figure that they would be the best to like be wrestling in front of like nobody because they were doing it on Friday nights and Tuesday because people were going home but Yeah I you know. The thing is watching Awa last night and I thought they I think they have excelled they've been the MVP over the last two months during this pandemic and getting accustomed to and adapting and overcoming the whole pandemic the best they can with their product. I think they've done a best the best job so far they were. They were credited to and they should definitely receive the credit of being the ones who changed the camera angle where it was facing the stage rather than the the side of the ring that would accustomed to with me of a great move and They've FL fluctuated with the amount of people that they had that in the stands they definitely have the most. They had Last night in Jacksonville and I thought it was great. I mean it wasn't obviously a loud crowd reaction but it's it's it's done it's done. Its job. And it's made an enjoyable watch the show and we saw bumping viewership Which will discuss your later on. But I can't see. Wbz doing that. Because they they received a little bit of flack for when they change the camera angle because Wbz has not done that ever in recent memory especially from another wrestling. Product has has changed their camera and like they did like that was completely motivated and influenced by what aws doing with dynamite in in mid March. Because W he was doing with the side camera was not working if they start putting wrestlers in the I think then they're going to be called out even more in a the last thing you WanNa do is like tip your cap to your competition. Say you know what. We may be competitor's here but dammit you got it right and we're gonNA steal your idea and we'll take the flak Ford. I can't see me doing that. Like you could put the wrestlers out there like I could hear big Kofi on smackdown like doing what J F and Shawn Spears was doing no out and to me. That's what's really separated. Aws W is product. Right now is that. W I think he's been the most creative with with the situation given and there's only a certain amount of like aws doesn't have this I'm UNICEF feeling about it. That like we can make judgmental call and go like with Dr Terry was just saying. I can't see Vince doing that. There's no way that we could be like yeah. I can't see Tony Kahn doing that. Because we don't know who Tony Tony. Kahn is and when they do that. You're like you know at first. It was a bit weird. But you're like man. This is working if we did it. You're like Baha they stole. Aws Idea. And that's why. I can't see W WE DOING. Like what the wrestlers are doing in the stands. Right now I would have loved to have big though out there. Ringside reenacting the gift that you see all the time when there's like the whenever there's an Internet fight. It's Biggie with the popcorn now could you imagine like there's you know there's Know Buddy Murphy. And drew McIntyre The ring Big Eases at ringside with the PUCK. Going like I would love that and if they had done that and put the Russel's out there like a week after Awa. I don't think we would have given you know Abe where you really get them crap. They might they've would. It's kind of said the same thing with the cameras. Well as an aws guys are just taking that. But I don't think it would have been as bad as if you did. It's a month later or a month and a half later at that point like all right. We've we kind of have built a track record for what you're GonNa do during this time. Line you kind of stick to that path I will say is seeing actual fans though. Aws Wednesday night was kind of weird. Because I kind of got used to the wrestlers zing in burning the guys in the ring and actually have fans. I say you just clapping and cheering randomly. I was like Oh Yay. That's how that works. It was just kind of weird when you went from having based like a smart ass audience that you could verbally demings people just cheer and be happy to be a part of it. That was it was kind of weird but in a good way like Oh. It's it's kind of like that soul food that home food that you haven't had the comfort food like. Oh Yeah. That's how that those guys work you. Never once I was the best thing about no fans I have not had ear. This is awesome had all and especially during mediocre moments in. You're like this is not. This is really not. It's like. This is quite good. If you're getting clapped for this is quite good. It'd be much more appreciative. I haven't read anything about this so I I don't know if those were legit fans I don't know if they were like crew members I don't know if they were family members. I don't know if they were plants. Do we know. Have you seen anything like was that? Did they let fans into the building last night? I still like I what I was. I haven't read anything myself but I watched it. I kinda felt like it might have been crew member families because obviously there are some kids in there. And you're like okay well. I don't think Tony Kahn's hiring child labor to work on. Aws during the so. I I kinda figured it had to be members of the families Because at this point with being an essential business I think you could probably have your family members come in Just the way their stuff set up for Florida. But I haven't seen anything about selling tickets or anything like that. Did you think it was. Hey if your family wants to come in and be the show let them come in. It was interesting. I didn't I haven't seen anything either. Maybe we'll get some official word on that here as we move forward. All right Dr Trait. Now it's time to talk about what's good from the world of professional wrestling. This week. I'm going to kick it off here. With Annex T K. They did a hidden gems episode this this past week. And there's one match that I would. I would tell fancy out there and check it out and it's Ilya Dragon off taken on a kid. It was a phenomenal match. It's one that should have aired on Annex UK originally in my opinion. And I've been kind of out on both these guys. I think they have a ton of potential. And this was like the first time that I watched Ille- dragon off in a kid put on like an absolutely stellar performance. It's a match that I guess may have been a dark match. It didn't Iran NFC UK and they both received a standing ovation afterwards. I don't know if you've seen the doctor trade but this is a match that you should go out there and check it out. Yeah I'm definitely when you say ACAS I'm kind of. I'm not really in on either of those guys. Like Alien Dragon House. Kind of late to me. He's one of those like he's like he's junk food in a way like I like it. I don't tell everybody that I had it when I have. It is just not a main course. Like he's almost miscast at times like trying to move to like the upper car division. Heads don't think he was ready for it yet. He's had some great performances. But then a kid just you know for me was kind of like at first watching was kind of like How I felt about Callisto like the generic like creator wrestler by Creating Generic Restaurants who may twenty four elude or? At least? It's kind of how I felt about. Ak I kind of felt like he was just that generic Joe Athletic High Flyer type guy but their work has gotten better and I think they've done a potential is just for me at this point. I wasn't in on him yet but I heard good things about this match and is definitely one. I'm going to reach into this weekend and check out Let's go over to smackdown the The the one thing that I really loved From smackdown this past week was the dossier cornerstone. You develop hyping up the match. Previous to Dolph segler taken on autism the money in the bank qualifier. They ended up losing a dolphin. Spends this time during the segment. Running down. How fans can relate to Otis. Says he will beat out this win money in the bank and become the world champion again and he plans on making Mandy feel better when his role champion and it was very strange because it was the most character death that I've seen from Sonia Deville and I was wondering I'm like is this leading to a romantic storyline between Dolph Sega and Sony Deville Dolphins pretty critical that they did not feature this on twitter this past week. The video of the backstage segment and kind of call it out which was Interesting and got some comments from Paul Anderson and I thought it was one of the more poignant points of the show and completely enjoyable. I like the stuff that Song Dil lately she. I know it's very easy to go. And say and look and see how Otis is really rising to the occasion right now in this role but Sonya Deville has quickly become like this wildcard and As really won me over and for somebody that That watcher in tough enough to where she is now. I mean it's completely night and day great character development from Song you Deville in the segment. Yeah to be like I'm watching. I'm going man like the the death like we talked about it on the bones. Podcast like you know. When when the whole thing with Johnny Gado and who be data house or black you got to see character development from people around the storyline and not the not necessarily those who've each person and I kind of feel the same way about this whole Otis Mandy Ziglar like Sonya's becoming to me. Like the breakout star this because we've seen depths of character. Were seeing a motion. We're seeing her in ring stuff like you're you're getting to see much more what Sony can do other than just be you know. Kind of the enforcer for Mandy for long for the last year and a half two years I've been My favorite thing about was actually owed winning. Because I'm really curious to see how Otis performs a money. Bank is typically not a big guy event even though canes want it But we bigger guys. Climbing ladders is sometimes awkward in a struggle But in this environment with him having everybody through headquarters to get their having a wrecking ball like Otis involve could be really fun so Him getting that spot. I mean we've seen I loved off and we've seen him in the money in the bank. We've never really seen a guy like Otis in money in the bank so that was one of my highlights from smackdown this week. Yeah be interesting to see the where they go with heavy machinery as well because is just completely fallen off the map. They're this tire thing. And maybe he turns he'll that'd be nice. Added layer to the otas stuff moving to Monday night. Raw Shane Thornton Brennan defeat. Ricocheting Cedric Alexander. Which was a shocking upset. Win for both Thornton Vinca then. There was the ports on Tuesday that W has big plans for Brennan vink. I totally see that. I think he has the look And so far from what? I've seen it in the ring as well the ability to be a big star just that name Brandon vink that just. It doesn't scream megastar to me but at some point. I'm sure that neither did Johnson The Viking Raiders Defeat in the street prophets in a non title match. I thought it was a very good tackling title match and I like the story. Line of the Prophets. Still being unable to beat the Viking raiders. Which made me wonder if they'll be battling out at the bank as Dr Train. I record this. There's been no mention yet. If there will be a rotating title match General Hall Return High Package. Made me really feel like that I drew. Ginger feud is coming There's a reason why. They announced him as former champion when he made his entering return last week. And we had the return hype package this past month. So I feel like a mcentire Mahal feud is coming up here folks so so knuckle down and get ready. And then lastly Charlotte flair defeated live. Morgan live mortgage continues to impress me. I felt like she should have been in the women's money in the bank match to I could totally see live more. Potentially being a breakout star this year. I she's really impressed. Me Dr Trae and somebody that that started the year off on a really particularly bad foot in that terrible rousseff Lashley Lana story line. And having no real reason behind but She's been enjoyable and those were some of the things that I thought. That was extremely good this week on Monday night raw. Yeah I like the stuff. It live. League live has grown leaps and bounds in the ring from annex. Iii. Her Finisher I love. It is one of my favorite moves to watch And it is nice to see her. Get over based on her wrestling character. and not so much the fact that technically she came back as a lesbian or lesbian part of a triangle so they haven't really mentioned that at all in obviously she's got elevated higher than where. Lana Zak Coming. Few so good for her The Brennan Wien Shine tag team. I thought was interesting especially with. Mvp out there. Like I kind of felt like they were going to win that match just because of the added element of MVP. Don't put a guy with two unknowns for them is the job out like it would hurt. Mvp's credibility But I was surprised to see them. Get when you look at the scope of it surprises. Didn't get the win because poor. Shane Thorn like Shane Thorns. But you know with with his old partner leaving going back to Australia and his injuries. He's Kinda bounced around gets paired with this guy randomly It kind of takes off Brandon. Vink reminds me of. I can't think of the guy's name I know Eddie from a UK The Tall Lanky guy that feud with the trend seven recently. Oh Yeah yeah any Dennis. He reminds me that he does like. Okay he's got the look he's got the build I just don't know if there's a personality there with the yet we haven't really seen that way to see how that goes out By the way it might thing from from W I really liked this week from raw. Was Buddy Murphy's mentioning that he is. Seth is disciple. But Seth know that something. He'll be better than him. Like a throwaway line. I looked at my. They're dropping the sees already for Murphy. Seth few down the road in a ready for that. Like I kind of like the Messiah Angle. Even though the name disciple is cheesy. Because we've seen that done. I kind of liked the grouping there. And Seth having followers almost like minions to his grew I just thought it was a weird throwaway. Line that I'm like okay. They're teasing this eventual break-up of seth in buddy which means buddy would probably be you'll either be face or he would become the Messiah and set. Come so I don't know where that goes. That's probably six months out. Hopefully not a month out but just one of those like nice little throwaway lines where I pick up on a Mike. Ooh That's that'll be good to see it. That's foreshadowing for where this cold group goes at some point. Yeah I picked up on that as well and and a disciple turn their back on their Messiah so I thought that was weird too so I think as time goes on they should have been pushing that. But that was that was like a weird throw. Throw away line. That was extreme foreshadowing. I thought it was pretty forceful for where they sit in the storyline. Right now I think maybe they saved for the summer and let Murphy really like riding those coattails a little bit more and and be very Subservient to to to Seth Rollins. Maybe a little different. But I feel like if Murphy's GonNa turn then we're going to have a baby faced. Seth rollins back which makes no sense. Because I don't think Murphy. Right now as he currently is would be likable with the fans. Moving to Tuesday nights impact wrestling. Sammy Callahan. Ken Share multiple the mutual respect Shamrock offering up his hand following their match at rebellion. Michael Elgin Interrupts Attacks Sammy Callahan. Shamrock and Callahan. Make Elgin Retreat and Sami Disappears? When once again can share market sentence hand It made me think during the rebellion match. Made me think again that maybe Sammy Callahan. Face turn is coming which would be extremely weird Moose said he is the real world champion as a teenage world. Champion that He. It's pulling himself from the number one contenders tournament for the Impact World Championship in that tournament. He has now been replaced by Roe. V Raju. If you've not seen this interview yet is extremely comical. Great job by Josh. Mathews Moose's delirious that he's the world champion but I could see this being totally believable right now and then lastly The North Defense. They're impacting champ. Tip over in Canada against the Creeps Ed during a fund segment which was kind of in line with some of the cinematic wrestling. That we've seen so far. I'm a fan of the North Fan of Ethan page. I like what he does and I thought this segment was really fun. I don't know if you saw impact wrestling this past week. Dr Trae but those were some things that I really enjoyed from. This past Tuesday's episode. I did surprisingly enough out of all the wrestling that I was able to watch. It was impact. So and it wasn't the whole thing Because the kids and the wife not huge impact fans because the segment with havoc the the the family completed my wife hated that segments But the stuff like Cody diener out in the woods. On on his quarantine spilling quarantine with a K. Being from Alabama we'd totally love that appreciated The segment with Josh Matthews in Booze. I thoroughly loved that I. It is like you know loose. Basely gone insane in a sense but his rationale actually made sense. He's like beaten all these former champion. So why should I be teenage champion champions? That are here. I beaten so it does make sense. I Love Josh like but you got from the warehouse. And he's like how'd you? How'd you get in there and get it? We're not talking about that. I pick your Moose breaking into the TNA warehouse in Nashville somewhere in digging through stuff. Kind of like a the new show. It's coming up We we may touch on W memorabilia but Just picturing Moose sneaking around and coming across the teenage impact eighteen world championship and going. This is mine. I'm keeping it now just made a it was just really funny And like you said I love the north even other heels. There are they are. They're probably my favorite tag team to watch in ring Since we don't see the revival In ring any more so I I love those guys guys on TV. And I'm friends with Josh Alexander on facebook. If your friends I'm here. She posted like I picture and wrestling to where he's at now. And it's just one of those like Oh my God. He looked like the generic indy wrestler. And then you see him. Now you're like this is a legit mad ass. He's one of my favorite guys. Watch you love Ethan page? I Love Josh Alexander. Yeah Think Ethan. Page is one of the most underrated minds professional wrestling right now. I think W E aws no disrespect to impact wrestling when When the opportunity comes to sign that guy I think they should be chomping at the bit because I think that has a great mind for the business. Let's move to Wednesdays we'll start with aws dynamites things. I really enjoy the cody. Rhodes Joey Nella match. This goes back to The show that we did with MOS underlies wrestlers and I felt like Joe Jr is one the most underutilized guy guys. Great entering worker underrated in ring worker. And I feel like he needs to be featured more the J. F. Promo remain at the top of the thrones by not wrestling last month. I thought that was great and He announces he'll be wrestling next week. Also be taken on jungle boy double or nothing which. I don't understand The Jon Moxley Frankie. Kazarian match was great Dark coming down and attacking Moxley Kazarian an Scu. As they made the save was very good as well and then we got Brodie. Lee Challenge Jon Moxley for the Awa World Championship at double or nothing which gives us another w. e. versus w we match during an aws show which could be topic in itself. Brandon. Roads calling out jake. The snake and then get snake put on her after Lance archers victory t Marshall was on ice throwback to the eighties and nineties that we love with Jake the snake. I wouldn't do what brandy roads dead but More power tour and then lastly that Jerko Sammy Guevara Defeating Broken Matt. Hardy and Kenny Omega in the TAG team street fight. I thought that was an incredibly fun match. It was it was great it. It kept my attention the entire time and this was a very very strong episode for Awa. Dynamite they They had they had scored seven hundred. Thirty two thousand viewers which was up from last week and They defeated annexed he once again which scored six hundred sixty three thousand viewers but even during the pandemic post pandemic pre pandemic. I felt like Wednesday night was the best and I don't know why wrestling fans are not watching Wednesday's but this was a very enjoyable episode of Awa Data Mytalk try. Yeah by the way going back to what you said beginning show this. This is part of the reason why I didn't catch the first part of w when if I forgot it was Wednesday like I literally lost drag days. I'm like Oh it's like seven twenty impact our as a dynamite on crap. It had a flip over to it. Real quick Really the segments you. Betcha I agree I also love the Shawn Spears Inter I interview. Promo talking about cody not carrying about duston. Dozens last match. That was really well done going from that to immediately. Seeing them you know him out there. With M J. F. At Ringside. I thought it was a nice way of kind of piecing together. Some of those parts Where sometimes you know. We see things like that you know. Why isn't why are these? Two guys talking. They have common enemies. And in the see that you're like minutes that's really nice and really well done Also shut out to Kinsey page. Who's eighteen and got in the ring tonight? Rosa Kency's from our area here. She's a lot of matches here. In Alabama Begins during the rose. Now arose is is on that nyah level. Where she's big she strong and sometimes things she does and the ring GonNa hurt you so I I give a lot of credit for taking the guts to get in the ring there and you're the main event match was so much fun and the the certain spot like a lot of stuff we had never seen before. I've never seen a guy to all of a scissor lift. I have never seen guys rundown some deals with the golf carts just the fact that it was it was fun and creative. Not just your typical. Hey let's have a street fight and we'll find on top of the TR- You know the semi trailer which was in done know numerous times now. The stuff they did there was kind of fresh and innovative and wind seen like golf. Course they reminded me of Austin powers like with the the bulldozer and the guys like no in super slow and the guy just never moved. Like you can kind of outrun a golf cart. If you're hundred and sixty five pound guy like Amy Guevarra but for and actually turn around and take the shot with everything just really well done just an overall fun show from start to and plus I love. Nile is making fun of Tony and then the other. Now's start making fun of Tony as well while before he gets back over there like I think it was a excalibur calling him. The Human Mike Stand. I just love these little lines. They dig at each other throughout. Awa kind of feels like what it feels like in real life when you're wrestling show we're guys will literally take shot like just poke you just bust your balls. You're in the locker room. Aws kind of taking the locker room out and kind of put it in front of people to see how they treat each other backstage and stuff. Yeah the chemistry. At the announcer's booth is so so much better than it was a double or nothing last year. I mean the stuff with Marquez Excalibur and Jim was cringe-worthy at times and now it has been extremely much much much. It sounds like Jim Ross is actually fun again now. Like it felt like the first six months of age. W he was just a miserable budget. it just seems like the last few months and maybe it was the break you know him having to be in. Oklahoma and isolated. But it just feels like he's having more fun again now where he wasn't having as much fun when w I started. Yeah and I don't know I don't know if he really likes their style of wrestling and still. I think he's an old school mine I think he's open to the new school but there was some stuff that they were doing that. I don't think he completely agrees with but I think from a chemistry standpoint with those guys. He's really opened up a lot more. It's definitely not the Jeff Jeff. Ross Jim Ross of old But he is. He is still phenomenal. I mean he's he's the voice of our generation. Now what you just get. Ross to host the rose triple H and not Vince. That'd be great. That'd be fantastic. It would be a lot better than what fenced it on on smackdown. Let'S GET TO NFC. Lashley what's good for Mexico? This past week Karen Cross scarlet defeating Leon. Rough the big thing here is just that entrance I'm not necessarily sure if I'd like it yet to be honest with you but I dig what they're doing with kill across Karen Cross scarlet Yoshahara defeated Charlotte photo by Q. And Charlotte uses a candlestick on eeo. Charlotte retains the antics tournament's champion to Deka decision. We saw re Ripley come out for the safest Charlotte was Wacky Attacking Yoshiro post-match and then thing that I liked is being mad at Real Ripley for coming out and like religious telling Edo shut up as she was talking yelling at and Japanese a great match. It was a damn shame that ended with the Kendo. Stick with that tells me that this is going to be a triple threat at some point. And then lastly the Adam Cole. The Feeding Valentin Dream Match To retain the NFC CHAMP. That was very good undisputed. Aaron Dexter loomis interfere. I wonder if three Roger Strong to the REF And causing dream the pin fall cover will lead to a dream. Loomis feud here in the future So there's some of the things that I thought was really good for maxine past week as they scored six hundred sixty three thousand viewers. The I'm with you on this. Because the cross scarlet and Visually very stunning very different. A scarlet lip synching the song. Like I've always wondered that you really love your song in you. Why don't you sing along when you walk out with it but this is one of the things like it is? It's different in. It's visually different so as well as like. I don't like it's weird. I think on a bigger stage like once he gets to the arenas like raw or smackdown. I think that look even better. Where like right now in the smaller venue? Maybe not so much but still just really cool looking Funny Part for me. Is I know Leon Rough. The referee is his girlfriend so it was kind of like. Yeah it was. Kind of like a couple's thing going on there and ahs has a sweet sweet anyone nights women. I've met in wrestling so it's kind of the four of them in the ring and then I was. I don't know if I'm watching it. I'm knowing that Aaj those those Germans those sight suplex Leon was taking. I'm like why isn't she? Currency like I would cringe like that's that's care about. And he's getting dropped on his head like she did a great job not to sell that. So Kudos those guys The ballor promos stuff. I thought is still a little. I don't know where they're going to. I don't think. Wbz knows where they're going within. It was great promo but once again I have no idea where this is kind of like the also black who got attacked black. Couple years ago I don't know where it's going to play out in whereas And if it's Walter or imperium like does that make Finna baby face again like I don't know maybe the old school minded me like I like baby like heels. I don't know if I like people in the middle all the time But the promise self was great and then I was Kinda surprised I was Kinda surprised that dream lost. I just kind of the. Maybe it was time to kind of make a move but in kind of shake things up since kind of trailing in the the ratings right now if you make that switch put the belt on dream just to see it. Moves the ratings at all But they didn't do it. And if YOU GO WITH LOUIS DREAM. What do you do with Adam Cole? Because everybody else is kind of tied up and stuff right now. So he really doesn't have a top challenger on the horizon. If you move dream over the LOOMIS so Maybe we get cold loomis and dream much like eeo. Charlotte in Rea- maybe we triple threat on. Both sides of the of the mailing in females are the roster. So it's funny that you brought up the whole thing with Karen Cross there and scarlet singing the song and I think that is the point that I thought that lipstick and I thought that was weird. I thought that was like she didn't need to do that. And now she's going. Do do that like every single week and Mansions got to be spot on and obviously we get better. But that's probably I think that's the one part I was like. I could probably do without this. Yeah is because in part is if you know Scarlett from her days an impact and you see kind of like the creepy creepy and the way she was lip synching it unlike deaths not scarlet. I know but maybe we'll delve more into that character and get a little more depth as a duo develops but as a right now i. It's weird and off. Putting because like scarlet we discover we know does not match the scarlet. Were seeing yet and but the cross character is still very similar. So it's kind of weird contrast but I'm just happy to see those people together because A lot of times when you work. You're a couple you don't get to really work in tandem with your significant other That's why know we be fans kind silent. You see Ms Marie together a Daniel and bree or Jimmy Deo me. We don't see Andrade are we? Don't get to see draw in Charlotte together. We don't get to see Allison Zelina together. So this weird like sometimes couples worked together or as we saw. Utah last week On opposite sides when you saw Zelina across the rink mouser so just kind of things I love love. Jeff I really do. Love Love This is The pandemic is really changing us. let's get to our money in the bank preview and predictions. Let's get right into it here. Dr Trae the new day. Defend the smackdown tag team championship in a four way match against mission. Morrison the forgotten sons and lose house party. I'M GONNA go with the new day retaining. Yeah I've gone back and forth because Ms Dingo get along title run but then you just had them lose to the House party so it makes us but the belts on them. This is a complete toss of. I'll go with new day. Just play it safe on on it because I really don't know where you would go with to acting. I don't really know where you go with the forgotten sons or lose a house party if they win Ozzy Ms Amores and can keep doing what they're doing before and new days. It's always fun to watch new day just because I really have no idea with either tightening division on either show right now Belly defense smack elements championship against to Meena. I would love to see to me to get the victory here. But I think she's She's a place for the eventual. Sasha banks barely feud somebody with baileigh retain the smackdown elements title. Yeah I'm GonNa Bailey as well although I would love to me to me has ever been women's champions part of wwe which goes back to when the WHO sows debuted so in all that in all those years have seven title rains and she has not so all right. Let's get to the next match here. He Got Braun strowman defending Universal Championship. Against Spray White. And not the fien. I'm going to go with Bronx frame. Strom and get the victory here and I'm going to say wins by Q. Yeah that's actually why I was thinking Broadway ends by Hugh Can you have the fiend attack during a match like this might go back to my my great Predicts from earlier this year where we have great y versus the fiend. This is becoming a possibility. Jeff so I will take Braun to as well over the fiend over Break Wyatt. Because the fiend interferes. Yeah we know How well undertaker versus undertaker and Kane versus Kane Win? So that makes sense. I drew McIntyre Defends The W. E. Chapter Begins Seth Rollins I'm GonNa go withdrew retaining the title. I'm with you as well. I think drew retains. I don't think you have a guy. Beat Bra Brock Leser At wrestlemanias Adam Lewis first title defence Maybe we'll get some dissension between buddy and seth to play off of that throwaway line you and I were just talking about leading to drooping the win but I still think drew has to win solidly. I think that's I don't think it has to be like things. Where buddy costs seth. The match drew need to win this one pretty solidly to kind of cement where he was at in the roster post Wrestlemainia. Let's get to the money in the bank ladder matches. We'll start with the women. Osco Shayna Bachelor. Nyah Jax Dana. Brooke Lacey Evans and Carmella. I'M GONNA go with Shane of bazeley retaining. And the reason why I say that is because running a Burma right now that Becky Lynch is going to confront the winner of money in the bank on raw on Monday. It's possible it could be a smackdown woman. But I feel like this is shaping up for. Shane obeys once again. See if they had said that. I really want a big OSCO Because I think Oscar running around the bank with her crazy Japanese promos would be hilarious Especially her teasing cash instead of that but when they made that announcement about begging coming out to confront the winner. I was like man. Shayna doesn't make Becky's way of getting the put the money in the bank briefcase up and not letting your cash at an inopportune time is kind of what I'm thinking right now. And then lastly let's get to the men here their money back ladder match. You Got Daniel Bryan Ray mysterious. Also Black Kim Corbin Otis Aj styles. I'm going to go with King Corbin winning money in the bank Dr Try. Oh that's so. He be what the second two time winner he would be the The edge edge punk both when it twice. I don't remember I know edge. Did because he wanted from Kennedy I don't know about punk okay. So that's that's I'm GONNA. Aj just to kind of like a for them to go. Hey thanks for helping out the undertaker thing. So we'll let you have money to banks as you don't have a thrust of your boys around you right. Now is an age as still be the EEL. Hold the briefcase able to cash in my rewards and kind of play that so I'm GonNa go with. Aj Right now. So that's the only one. We're different Yeah I think so. They're either watch so watch out is when the whole damn thing that would be very very strange and bad In my opinion because I don't think he's ready for that quite yet but nonetheless there it is money in the bank this Sunday. On pay per view we will recap and review it on next week's edition of the stove realtor show Let's close up shop here on this week's addition shown get a couple of plugs in sponsors out of the way you download the show every Thursday at the Bauer show dot com Russell Chattanooga on twitter or on itunes via the shell don't forget to rate review and subscribe. 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Episode 105: Something Bad Happened To Sam! - September 1985

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Episode 105: Something Bad Happened To Sam! - September 1985

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Aws open for business and crowds have been awesome and they said what i said a year ago when this thing opens backup wrestling fans are going to be heard and be seen because they want their wrestling and we're giving it to a woman and It's awesome man. We're excited to be here. Of course we're love and seeing you guys every wednesday and friday. Of course it's donna my in rampage. A lot of moving parts in professional wrestling these days But right now we're enjoying a stroll through the good old days. September of eighty-five is our topic. Today you guys get kicked off with a A wcbs tv taping on september first. And then that same day as we've mentioned many times before it's a double shot actually a triple shot. We've got three crews running or so it seems dorton arena on september first greensboro north carolina on september first and the omni on september first. These are three pretty good sized buildings and my goodness look at how the business has expanded you find yourself on the omni card teaming with only take on dusty and magnum the main event that night is ric flair and the coal off in a lumberjack match. Rick and the key also worked at the door. Marina which i would assume would be a matinee show but man tv in atlanta live event in raleigh lava vent in greensboro la event in atlanta. The same freaking day This power of the superstation. I would say it's working. What say you. Yeah i guess so. I mean it's it's almost unfathomable that that can happen logistically. But it means you know guys serious travel Whether it's worked the first match of run to the airport to catch flight or whatever the deal may be it. It seemed logistically impossible but apparently it was cussing all happened as far as you know in this era. Who's helping sort of steer the ship for the details the particulars if you will is it. Just us the is. Jj a system already at this point or do you recall oh yeah. Jj was always there. He was there from the beginning. You came with dusty. I'm sure When he came up and took the job. Jj was an organizer. He was a legitimate manager. I mean he could help negotiate how you get from to be and all that stuff and what you needed to do and flights and you know. Is that drivable. Yeah but you've got to put these guys on first and second for them. To make the main event on the next show. There was logistically. There was a lot of things that had to be thought through and just sitting down and book in you know enough talent in each town to draw a me. It was there was a science to it. That's for sure on jayjay was resume their helping all the way on The second of september you're in fayetteville. North carolina that cumberland county memorial arena in singles action against sam houston That same day the the other crew is running a show in greenville south carolina. Did you ever preference you know. I know once upon a time in the wwf. There was sort of a town and a b. town. And if you weren't sure which card you were on the eighteen was the one with hulk hogan if you're on the other card well by process of a nation you're on the b. card. Did that that sort of bob exists here in the nba. Jim crockett promotions and eighty five. When costa was a funny thing if you let's just say you had flair and and dusty in one town and let's just say. Yeah had tally and magnum and the other town. Then you could put the andersons against whoever in either town and the rock and roll against the midnight in the other town and it started to balance out you would look at the car and you had a few had two matches of bona fide top guys stars. You're going to draw either town and just depending on got to play. You know if you got to pay flair and dusty that's champion and that's your top baby face and that was a big payoff in If you were the main event in the other town the town you did pretty well too. I to you know the last two matches so it was. It wasn't a bad deal to be an either of the two really. You're hanging out with some friends and putting back a few drinks and a few becomes a few too many as the evening comes to an end when people start to head out. You think of calling for rod you live nearby. You can make an home okay. It's no big deal. What are the odds. you'll get pulled over anyway. And even so what's the worst that could happen. Your insurance goes up. You lose your license. You lose your job you total your car. You kill someone. Everyone knows about the risks of driving drunk. The results are tragic and often deadly. However that doesn't stop everyone from getting behind the wheel under the influence. That's why police officers are out there right now looking for impaired drivers on our roads to save lives. So if you think you're okay to drive after a few drinks think again. Play it safe and plan ahead to get a ride. It only takes one mistake to change your life or someone else's forever drive sober or get pulled over paid for by nitsa september second. there's also a big show happening down in florida. It's the battle of the belts where ric flair is going to wrestle. While he mcdaniel and a two out of three falls match your main event back in greenville though on that same day is the rock and roll express versus the russians And your main event on that same day. September second and north carolina is magnum and telly. Dusty noli are working second from the top. And you're in the mix as well against sam houston as we mentioned on the third though. We're going to get the band back together for a tv taping and this is where we start to see a bit of an angle. Sam houston gets an upset win over our anderson. it doesn't roll up just under five minutes. After aren't became distracted by magnum. Ta he was on the apron so always doing guest commentary for the bout. And of course sam. Houston's arm is in a cast because he recently had broken by the anderson's and then eventually Midway through the bout magnum shows up and after the battle of course the andersons are going to double team houston until dusty and magnum manage to clear the ring sore continuing in that story and I think we've got a little bit of a A clip here from that action on worldwide. It happened on the seventh of september nineteen eighty-five. Let's take a lesson. We got some today. This radio program. Has john john anderson head up and weird sided about it. And i know you're excited about is i can't wait. I'm sort edison. He no kidding me more. This is a man who aren't don't do but our man right here is going to go in there and take care of business point lookout but due to be paid bogan arms. They're out there for your mr man. That came out what this really. It just keeps getting better fanti. The wrestling is great. This the best that against anywhere in a country from phoenix the san diego philadelphia pennsylvania charlotte north carolina and ball. We love to raise gala anywhere in the bath because jack sam the dusty definitely trying to to give the quote unquote rob the sam. Houston what did he see in in sam. He had a soft spot for sam here. He was at least Trying to establish a new white meat baby face right well number one if i know. They're all that mad. I wouldn't went. Damn sam was just one of those. Young guys came along at that time. That was very talented. You you solids face and you knew he was young. You looked at his body. You saw that you know. He still had a ways to go to develop you know. It wasn't a body guy or anything. He was the ultimate Underdog and you know. He came from wrestling family. Obviously and he just was one of those guys much like ricky morton that you could take out there and you could show that he belonged number one in the first few minutes of the match because he had a lot of talent and then you could cut him down and just start mugging him and people felt sorry for because they knew he was not necessarily gonna come out of this. You know and the the white meat baby faces are the ones you could beat down and you could beat him in. It didn't kill them off. Because the audience knew they were overmatched to begin with and the fact that they just stayed in the fight and made it a they. They got the audience respect. And you could but that guy in the first match every single night and he could get beat every single night as long as he was in the fight. And that's what sam was and for whatever reason dusty took a like into him and Dusty always whether it was a barry windham or a magnum or whoever it was always had a protege that he was trying to bring along. You know introduce our our fans to go. Hey this guy's got got skills and he's got heart and all those things somebody keep an eye on. It was just dossiers way of giving a kid or rub again. This is From the television taping that happened on september third and gaffney but it would air on worldwide on september seventh And we've got a clip of the The brawl at the end of the match between orange and sam. Let's go to david. the twenty. Got him not going to separate those anderson elegant the anderson's they leave now so you get the upset loss here sam. Houston gets a big power from the crowd and man one by one as magnums getting into the fracas and then of course dusty. The crowd just seems to get hotter and hotter and hotter. I mean it's so much that almost like is blowing out the audio on the tape. I mean these are these are real life moments and this is different time a different era. This is before signs. This is before cell phones. People aren't trying to tweet or take pictures on their phone. Everyone is intently watching this. And it's One good story after another as we see the replay here a little surprise roll up from same houston and the crowd just explodes but then again when magnum's involved and even bigger industies involved. Do you think we'll ever get reactions like this again. That genuine of reaction and emotion hope so casa think that's one of the things that are missing today In today's world you know. The talent of of the is that are in the business wrestlers. Today is bath. Abilities is unparalleled. This group of guys they can do things athletically that were never dreamed of most less been able to bend performed back in these days what we did have the advantage on with any other sport or any other form of entertainment was you got invested in the particular performer. And you got to live his life for lack of a better way to say it with him and see his triumphs and see his failures and see why things worked and while they didn't and and go through the process. You know with these guys. And in those days sam houston would have never beat an anderson on television. It just wasn't done and to do it the way it was done with an assist from magnum who definitely had every right in the world to do what he was doing after what we had done to him. It was poetic justice and it felt good. And you know. Sam houston with an assist from magnum to hold me down for three seconds. And that's what it was as back on my feet right after that is something he can hang his hat on going forward so everybody wants. It was one of those situations in all. You never saw that on. Tv guy they got beat. That shouldn't they got beat but there was a reason for in a gave me another reason to bitch and olea reason to bitch just worked man it was. It was beautiful and by the way we're not done We still got to put a bow on it. So here's aren't and only doing promo from that very same show September the national tag team champions. The minnesota wrecking crew. Only arn anderson are not fans out here hauling cheaters. Cheaters as saying america's team america's team now but one thing. Bob coddle is america's team. not a little bit. Conspicuous by their absence stood out as an intelligent man. Their circus petuous absence. The reason they're not here simply because they've run out of line. They've said we will janssen's in this kind of match that kind of match. We want him in the ring at the same time when we keep is on. Well they run out of luck. They run out of hope and support. These fans has not enough to get done what they wanted to get done. So they're ashamed and embarrassed to show their face magnum. ta and i'm mad at dusty rhodes because here we came ready to russell. Says they're not here. What i really get hot at the beginning of the program when you said the national tag team champions and then the world tag team champions those fly by nights what do you call him a rock and roll express. Let me tell you gentlemen just like. I told magnum p. A. in dusty. Rhodes we wrestle. You better learn how to wrestle. If i thought wearing a bunch of handkerchiefs around my leg was gonna make me a better wrestler. Why we look like walworth walking out here. But we looked like champions. You know why because we are right to the ring fans. There's a new sports drama series on stars and it said in the world of indy wrestling heels follows. A family owned wrestling promotion as two brothers wore over control of the league and their late. Father's legacy ace and jack spades rivalry both and out of the ring is the main event brother versus brother hero versus. He'll even see -em punk aesthetic back onto the mat for cameo alexander. 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That's all he did is he just created two more opponents to rocket express. And that's the thing. I wanted to give some credit for. You know he's trying to set up matches obviously for the house shows and the sell tickets but she got so much going on. You know you got the rock enrolls and now you got the same houston thing and who could forget the dusty and magnum thing totally is a little involve there a lot of moving parts here. Dorton arena september fourth through and singles action against sam houston on the eighth. It's going to be magnum. Manny and ron bass taken on tully oli and arn another monkhouse mass this matinee and asheville on september eighth There another matinee that same day on september eighth as the promotion continues to grow this time. It's albany georgia at the civic center. but that night Marietta georgia is the evening. Show on the ninth once again. A pair of shows in a b. One show in greenville south carolina. That's where you would find only aren't taking on a flare and magnum or not flare but dusty and magnum and on the ninth The that same day. They're running augusta georgia. And how about this for main of black bart versus ron garvin I think i would have rather been in. Greenville disrespect. But i'm glad i was I wanna mention the the interesting thing about the show in greenville. Check this out The barbarian versus starship eagle. Who we know. Is dan spivey. Terry taylor joel deaton sam houston and abdul the butcher poor sam And then the rock and roll express versus the midnight express to a forty five minute time limit. Draw right after that it's Dusty and magnum taken only an arm and then in the main event. How about this for a rare match. The world champion. Ric flair against the united states. Champion totally blanchard. I know we're right around the corner from the horsemen but that's an interesting matchup. And your main and co main event. He got the whole band. Represented all of the horsemen. America's team. it starts to feel like all right. We've got our players here. In september of eighty five. At least to me. You said flair versus totally. Yeah well that is random he'll versus. He'll on top And of course we know you know. Eventually we're going to get things back together. But i would have never guessed. That was a match that would have happened in eighty five but here it is well at and at that time without us having a history really together other than just some some random tags and stuff there was no big relationship with flair. And telling right so if you think about it it's not really so far fetched that totally would wanna go after the world champion. I guess but it's also such a rare match that also looking at it now in hindsight and knowing the history that came after an and with the horsemen deal It just seems like that's a match. You would wanna built for six weeks and made a really big deal out of it you know. But they were all hindsight's twenty twenty and it was a random match. I'm sure they tore the joint down. I'm sure the world champion prevailed and certainly didn't hurt totally blanchard at the shelby rick center. I think we're going to do something. pretty big. I think i have that right It's going to air on the fourteenth. But we're going to record it on september tenth This is going to be on the ww pro. Senator tapings and worldwide. Did both the same day. But sam houston has found himself in a predicament. He's been found beaten in a parking lot. Let's take a listen team over there. Something bad having a sam. Talk about fight tony. I need to go by god. Listen you don't need to find out what happened on now. I need to find out what happened here. You go ahead and take all right go ahead. Go ahead and see what happened. Kerry taylor came right up here to rinkside idea what happened. But terry taylor came right up to rig cited said something happened. Something bad happened to sam. Houston and i have no idea what they were talking about. But we were in the process of showing you the match are they any of the matches slow motion with midnight express defeating their opponents tarsha vehicle and mcevers. David crooked has gone somewhere either in the building here. Maybe outside of the building. And i think we're going to have david criterias right now. There is right now outside by david now back away. So they're in a parking lot surrounded by fans securities trying to shoot people away and it looks like people are attending to a fallen. Sam houston dusty. Rhodes is out to check on her. Right behind the billy. Absolute boggy see we get a word from david there. You see dusty. Rhodes there you see. Jerry taylor kip kenya. Can you hear me kerry taylor. Let's go to david david. Hey guys what is going on in handling camera there. Taking dusty rhodes magnum taking sam. Houston oh this is into the room. This is not pretty at all what happened to him. I'm not sure. I i think they're taking him into the dressing room now. What they're telling me in the truck pilot jalen i had to save. Houston they jumping the fan. You know who the andersons that's right. Oh an iron anderson around here lasted. They say they jumped him. Blasted owen arn anderson. Come out and then then man. The young man brought over america's team the property of them. They're the ones they wanted him. Sam houston beat arn anderson wherein square. And look what they did. They jumped him out here by sam. Houston this this young man. He's in there right now. I don't know what what's wrong with him or what's happened to him. right now. plays the anderson. couldn't stand arnesen. couldn't stand it. totally blanchard only anderson. An iron anderson goes guys got to be done about it. Sam houston we need to find. I'm we'll see. If i can find out what what happened to sam. Houston we're with him. Do those gracia chaotic get shot in the In the locker room while. You've also got david crockett just wandering around without a microphone. Just trying to figure out what's going on police in the background. Everyone forming a circle around a fallen wrestler. And then what about one people coming over almost like they be. Crockett was a news anchor. Here's what happened It was amazing. When you really think about how real that felt and it's it's probably Almost a textbook example of how a story line outside of the ring. Maybe should be done because that was really good stuff that holds up even all this time later. Chaos sounds good feels good. It really does and david. Crockett does could chaos. You know that felt like somebody. That didn't know what to do but was trying to do something and do the right thing. At least get a bead on what had happened and it felt that way. It wasn't polished it was it felt like david was was raw fulton. Yeah i mean it's it's just the way you extended an angle on out and got some more mileage out of it it's It's interesting to take a look at. You know the pairing of sam houston in this group too. Because you know you don't necessarily want to have dusty in that spot or magnum in that spot. Not a sympathetic. But the young guy was a little smaller than the guys. Lo younger than the other guys. A little green and the other guys and the audience knows that he feels like someone that the bigger more established stars should should try to take care of and that's what they express that. Hey we're taking under our wing and blah blah blah. And he's a man now and the i And then you damn anderson says leave him land he's the one that should have got wacked and he's the one we went after he was the weak sister. It's great stuff By the way on that That same show there would be That's how we ended the show. That's how it went off the air But we would I guess it's a different syndicated show but it's the same weekend we see you and only in action and then we hear a rock and roll express promo. I wanna go ahead and And get us that promo becca well. Easy for me to do the The situation is is picking up steam where you can tell that the rock and roll going to be the next The next person in the crosshairs from only anderson. Let's take a listen to bob coddle. Talking to them the night. It's no tag team champions. And what a fantastic team in combination they are. Let's bring no world champions back out here the rock and roll express henrik robert. You got a chance to see the andersons regardless of what you think of them. You gotta be impressed with him in the ring. That's why they are tough team. Not said before brother or they wouldn't be the national heavyweight tag team champions only and don't take kindness for weakness brother because we felt that allow time ago. Either you can stretch with a tickets. Eagles and a rock and roll express flying high. And we're going to be a long robert. Yes sir the rock and roll express robert. The big anderson's only anderson big rough tough individual. He's going to be hard on anybody. You ain't exemple and they're very tough. You got the rush to trail. You got the midnight express. There's only one expression her by. Mr rock road expressed as you mentioned the russians right there. The russians are still. They're still after those belts again. They're still plenty man back and they had this chain right here roses vr. No you do sonny boy and try to get it all right. Wrap it up for this week. See you're next week and until in so long for now. Let's talk about The different shows here for a minute. We've put over the power of tbs and that really was the six. Oh five show that you. And i've spent a lot of time talking about but you also had pro. You had worldwide. Then you had just the regular atlantic. Tv there is a lot of tv. A huge appetite for this programming Of course only ones on the superstation the others are really going to rotate around syndication Did you have a preference. I mean obviously you told us that logistically the the atlanta tv could be challenging. Shoot but it is the one that's going to essentially make everybody on the roster a big star but of the syndicated shows. Did you ever preference one way or the other. Not really you know the one thing that you were aware of. You had a couple of different audiences you know. The cable show reached out to pretty much all demographics but your morning show catered more to get kids. Were up watching cartoons. Kids were watching. You know a lot of times. Our syndicated show would be anywhere from nine to eleven in the morning saturday morning and that reached a different audience. You know a lot of kids and you tail at benefited the rock and roll express and the baby faces and all those So they all had a lot of value. 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But he really was and he loved the business he had been around a long time. He was a face that people identified with you know and He was just a guy that He had he was. I would say best word is understated. He didn't get too emotional when it wasn't warranted. There was never a tom. He downplayed something when he should've been in a more excited. He was just a guy that was telling you what was going on any. He sounded like a normal guy with normal voice and a normal opinion. And i think that was his niche. I'd just I feel like he brought so much dignity and respect in class and credibility. I mean he felt like I don't know wrestling sometimes filled with these wacky characters And he was the straight man straight man. And i don't know it felt like afterwards he'd be the deacon in your church so you just didn't you wanted mind your manners. Around mr coddle. You set a lot better than i could but you hit it right on. The head really was he was a a dignified character in the middle of chaos. Sh- it's pretty crazy when you think about you know The impact he had on wrestling. No i do want to talk about david. Crockett here for a minute. Because unbelievably davy. Crockett manage to Swing through an awa show not too long ago and your hometown charlotte and while second home home. Home wife from home and He got to do commentary over on youtube. So if you're like me and you love the good old days here. Jim crockett promotions. I can't recommend that enough. Go watch the a w channel on youtube and you'll see Davy crockett calling some wrestling. How cool was it to see david after all this town. Yeah you know it's just takes you back to the charlotte days and the crockett's were older generation. It was crockett senior. And then you know. Crockett junior and david and jackie and and francis for people that had lived here for decades and decades and been involved with wrestling and been involved with baseball single-a baseball and they're just People you knew locally. They were sports celebrities in this town. It's it's just fun to go back and watch The good old days like that and here the guys who provided the lyrics to the music that you guys were making i. I want to briefly talk about tag team wrestling here for a minute. Because i feel like and i know. It's trying to make a resurgence with guys like fdr and and certainly the young bucks on and on and there's a lot of great tag teams now. But this might feel like the heyday. Here i mean just in this promotion. You've got the road warriors and you've got the russians but you've got the rock and roll express you've got the midnight express you've got the andersons i mean it just. This is a who's who of tag team wrestling. His era is a not well. You haven't even gotten when you mentioned all those names did you say four horsemen i just the andersons darn well. It was at the horsemen because out of that group. Take that group of four wrestlers at a manager and payroll mauve and you had a brand new team. Yeah rick myself for only a myself or totally and rick or whatever the deal you added five more teams to the list. You just announced so it was. It was a heyday for for tag teams. Now you got the you know the garbage coming along and at all kinds of other teams that that just made it really exciting and they were identified and they were recognized as being the team. But you could also split guys up into in the singles and it just it led to having a very full roster of course on the other channel you got the british bulldogs the hart foundation or are going to become a thing eighty five. It's it's remarkable to think about. How hot tag team wrestling was once upon a time in the mid eighties and you know folks are a little older than me. Who were growing up on the jim crockett promotions era. Tell me that. The mid atlantic area was known for tag team wrestling. I mean main events were routinely tag team wrestling. And that of course evolved a little bit and and single stars like ric and dusty rhodes would emerge but swede hanson and rip hawk. And all those guys back in the day they were main event as tag team matches. Why do you think that changed over time. A lot of people sort of point. The finger at vince mcmahon. And say that. Vince made that change. And it came down to the economics of instead of paying four guys. You could pay two guys. Do you think there's any credence to that. Or why do you think a tag team wrestling. Maybe fell out of fashion for such a long time. When i i know that was a fact because we are flying. That many guys to events wouldn't have as many as three towns run night so if let's just say you had three tags own top in those three matches and you had you know. In those days vance was big all managers so if you had a tag match. That's five sets trans. How clued into manager and five payoffs versus one single main event between two talent and no manager. You do that. Tom's three every night times three hundred something days a year. Imagine that's pretty pretty big figure but it was economics all the way it's a it's a shame too because there's so many great matches that maybe we missed out on but boy there's still here In the good old as the mid eighties for us to enjoy. You're going to jump down to championship wrestling from florida on the eleventh It's going to be a show in miami beach the convention hall it's dusty and while who on one side against olien arnold any other. What was that. Like working. For the graham outfit here in miami against dusty and who where was new to me because i'd never worked that territory so i was just coming in with jim. Crockett promotions that. Tha that territory. The florida territory had a great reputation for with the boys was a good place to live obviously lived in tampa. You made the shots out of tampa all over the state of florida and it was just you know especially if it was young guy breaking in the business. That was a married i mean. How cool is it to go to all these towns in florida and you know just enjoy florida itself. It's destination It really was so to be down there with with all the history of the territory and the grahams and all the guys dusty that pass through there the fox the briscoes all that talent that had worked the territory itself to be some of those arenas pretty cool for me to do the history. Would you think of miami Making towns in pensacola and you love that bates. But that miami beach is different speed. Is it not well. You gotta look the way. It was scheduled and pretty much the way it was if it was a situation where you think you did. Tv in the morning in tampa and they had to jump in the car and drive tamiami Which was route around three hundred miles and then you would have to drive back after the show because notoriously the way they had scheduled you would have a town north north of tampa run in the next day. So it wasn't like you were making a loop. You went down and back. That was a pretty full day. And you know. I think the time that we ran that I'm not sure. But i thought we did a tv that afternoon to maybe not but still. It's a pretty good hall down there and like everything else. It's not like we just went over to south beach and hung out afterwards. We were probably traveling somewhere else. So we get a chance to enjoy miami but in for the guys that that worked territory. I'm sure they would schedule it sometimes to just go down. Maybe a day early. I don't know not really but it was. You know it's always cool to be in florida. The the car is pretty impressive. When you think about it It's cocoa samoa. And jack heart in the opening match hector guerrero and kendall windham teaming up against the grappler and rip oliver. Then my graham and recruit going to draw buddy rose working with frank lying magnum. Ta is going to wrestle. Tully blanchard to a draw then we've got dusty in who in there with you and only and your main event is flare versus. Billy jack haynes man just feels like you guys could have had some full and if given the opportunity in miami after the shows in this era. Are you going straight back to the hotel. Do you feel like I mean obviously it's eighty five. Is it designated baby faces. Stay in this hotel. He'll stay in that hotel. Even when you're on the road like this well again would think that after that show either we had a flight or you'll even think he stayed the night. You think he were right back. We either jumped in the car and drove back and you may have a record of what the next show the next day. You're in columbia south carolina so that would be a hell of a drive from miami columbia. Yeah so i can guarantee you what we did we check them by the airport and other marriott there and we would've Probably went down. Had some drinks in the bar at the marriott which was irregular thing that crew that you just laid out on the card for that sounds like a bunch of leftover from maybe the guys that were territory as. We're not jim crockett no. It was a championship wrestling from florida. Show we just came down and beefed it up a little bit you got it. Yeah so we would have probably hung with with ourself. I'm sure some of those guys from the card when it came to the marriott next thing we would have done would wish we would have flown out very early because you wouldn't have flown to columbia. You would have flown to charlotte tom out. Let me ask real fast. I was trying to get into the psychology Or the thinking in eighty five after the after the match is it's not like only flare wants to have a drink. Sodas wahoo dusty. But it's not like in eighty-five everybody's just going to be rubbing elbows at the marriott bar or are they what does that look like if guys wanna blow off some steam after a show but we've still got a quote unquote keep cafe because we got good guys and bad guys here you know. And at that point in time we were all marriott guys and our sharia we would've all been was a pretty big bar at that marriott and what we would have done other than go to a different place. We were all in the same bar but smart you can be separated away from each other but still be under the same roof. Got it then. That's the way it was. And that's why you took care of it and because we're all marriott guys and location was everything was right at the airport. You had an early flight. There was logistics. What was the that was the reason but we still. You know you wouldn't go. Oh god there they are can't go in. There started to morph a little bit at that point you know. Pd's have been a part of wrestling for a long time and I've always felt like that was the topic that we should be talking about more and more on these old school wrestling podcasts. Ecorse these days. Pd's are still commonplace on wrestling podcasts. Except for your weiner of course. I'm talking about baluchi. Dot com blue is the sponsor of this show and the sponsoring erections nationwide over baluchi dot com. Here's the thing man guys Here's a pro tip. Confidence can take you far in life alive. Lady say that. Nothing sexier than confidence and blue shoes going to help you get that confidence where it counts. You know when it's time to step up to the plate that's really where baluchi comes in. Blue is a unique online service that delivers the same active ingredient as both viagra accuracy. 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The promo code is aren't to receive your first month for free visit blue dot com for more details and important safety information and we thank baluchi for sponsoring the podcast september twelfth. The next as we mentioned you're in columbia. And you're in the main event it's going to be dusty magnum and manny taken on Tully oli and orne on the twelfth. They're running shows. In wheeling west virginia on the thirteenth two shows one in oxford alabama. But that's really a continental show just Flare taken it on brad armstrong but we have jcp show at the field house in williamson. West virginia on the fourteenth were in columbus georgia. And then we're doing. Tv again on the fifteenth in atlanta Later that night on the fifteenth there are three shows. of course. we're going to have a matinee squeezed in there but college park. Georgia is gonna see ron garvin and black bart on top Norfolk virginia is going to see dusty. Magnum sam houston taken on totally only and orange once again a bunk house match. And in pensacola florida. A jcp promoted show with the rock and roll versus the midnights on that same card magnum on that same card with telly. Even the road. Warriors working with the russians the main event as flare versus dusty. And pensacola show is loaded for bear but strangely there's only two thousand folks there do you think. The pensacola market was softening. Is september a bad month in that era. Was there not adequate promotion. Why do you think that show would only have two thousand folks there with that loaded of a card. Wow what was the. What was the middle show So you had three shows that they on the fifteenth one in college. Park georgia one. In norfolk virginia But then the big show to me is pensacola florida it's buddy landale over sam. Houston manny fernandez. Over crusher khrushchev brad. Steve armstrong over a aren't and only the cue jimmy value in there with the barbarian. The rock and roll's are going to beat the midnight express. Tommy rich is going to defeat. Adrian street magnum. Ta is going to go to a double count out. Telly blanchard the road. Warriors are going to beat the russians when ivan his pinned and then in the main event ric flair beats dusty rhodes by disqualification that feels like a freaking star cade. And there's like two thousand fans here. In pensacola i cannot. I cannot tell you why that did not draw better. That's that's a less. It was not locally. Promoted is it should have been. They just relied on the cable One thing i tell you something that is a very real thing and people may use it as a cop out. But i know it's real 'cause i've been around forty years school. Starting yep was made a difference in our business. September notoriously was not a good matz for wrestling. Let me pile on their arm. Because i feel like sometimes people think all that's an excuse because brutal sometimes say well. The gas station opened. But you gotta appreciate. This is a socio economically. Depressed area The median income household income is not exactly what you might imagine and when kids go back to school. It's not just a matter of oh they can't get down there now. The can't afford to take the kids. Because you've got all these new fees you gotta pay for the kids football helmet. You gotta pay for him. Some new books. You gotta pay for him. Some new shoes you got to pay from new clothes and if you've got a whole litter of those little rugrats got all that going plus you got lunch money etc etc so there's a lot of newfound expenses whenever kids will go back to school and you know maybe that ten dollars on wrestling just didn't quite check all the boxes that you needed to that month. Well that and the fact that Jim crockett promotions was a hot commodity. That time we were. We're we're flaming up right. Shaw betcha the ticket prices were very high. That's another negative plus the fact that all those years prior to that continental had ran pensacola every single sunday so it had been ran a lot prior to getting there so it probably feels like well. I'll just see them next week. Yeah i mean all these guys. We can't afford to pay those. Jim crockett promotions. But our guys who were familiar with anyway. We'll be back next sunday so we'll just go to that show. They could all be reasons that two thousand people. That's that's not not much and i bet you. The rent on that. Civic center was not cheap fable. North carolina is where you're at the very next day on september sixteenth. Think about that. You're going from pensacola to fayetteville one. Day later once again going to be a bunk house match dusty magnum and sam on one side totally aren't on the other on the eighteenth. You're gonna be wrestling the rock and roll express along with your partner only to draw at the dorton arena On the twentieth. You're going to be in singles action against terry taylor. What are you. Remember your first impressions being of a young terry taylor here. A lot of people thinking this era. He was trying to for lack of a better word. Do his best ric flair impression and he will no way to dispute that but he did it from a perspective. I think idolize mayor it wasn't trying to be a cheap copy. He he analyzed wreck and he copied. Rick he just took it to an extent of everything from the robe. You know to a little bit of the And all you know some of the things he did during his match figures it was to pay tribute to rick. But terry was when terry was being terry. He was a very good upper middle baby face. That had good skills was a handsome guy. You know Gear always looked top-shelf tan. And all those things that you can do to to make yourself look like a bigger star and he had really good baby face skills so he was a guy that you figured you wanted on his own your card to be that upper middle guy that could put your top guys over and It would benefit both guys if it was competitive match and terry at a pretty good career as far as wrestling your lasted for. I don't know how many years has had a pretty good run. I think this is one of the first singles matches you guys would have had wrestled each other in tag matches but it feels like the promotion had to be pretty high on him here because not only. Are you wrestling. Terry taylor here. But he gets the win Let's play a little bit of a clip here from the tv that aired right before though our guests the next day it's going to gonna on worldwide the twenty. First we're going to hear from Aren't only here. Let's take a listen to me right now. The united states heavyweights media meeting handyman. All over this country that drool and cringe and their juices flow baby david traffic and i bet you gotta look at that smile on his. But then when i was in the ring i didn't get to hear what the omnipotent magnet ta had to say. Or what but sam houston music. I'll beat up. If i didn't know better in our come on in here if i didn't know better i could swear the sam houston not doing his manly duties properly. Got beat up by his girlfriend. And trying to accuse all anderson aren't anderson tully blanchard of having to stoop to the depths stoop to the depths of attack in the poor boy in a parking lot. I don't think so. I tell you what let's show this tape. We gotta take the show. I it out there here. We see david crockett. Only only are. Do you see a three anywhere. Uc baby doll anywhere. Total about seven hundred and fifty pounds of men. Now you see anybody out there. That's two hundred fifty pounds. I don't see anybody that looks like the united states heavyweight champion. I don't say anybody out there to see that big got that much class. What happened got caught with some fifteen year. Old out facts. His girlfriend smacked his face for him. And just don't have the guts to admit it. That's what happened doing well. You know all they usually the man of many words. He's been very bad to be called a liar and what we have here. These two people right here going to the ring that just go on. I'll tell you what david pocket you like them. You one of you think you're the greatest brad of the greatest thing wise brad. I tell you what you look. Who's trophies the national tag. Kim champions the united states. That way i tell you what take care of him right now. Go down right now. I'll tell you what the wrestling world wide wrestling. So how about it. Man the the bond continues to form with tully and the anderson's and it just feels like we're we're getting together you know not being forced together. it's fares organic. that's how it went off. The show are off the air that day. But we do get Irregular promo that same day For molenaar with mr bob coddle. Let's take a listen. This is from september twenty first national tag team champions right here. Fans minnesota wrecking crew. Only anderson aren't anderson. Call me to talk about this. This is already mad. What i do need to talk about. Is the human broomstick that came out here with a cowboy hat slapping chappel national television saying that he beat on anderson square rod in front of millions of people. Who were there and you saw. Everybody knows that the chances of a one time lucky poke and that's all you are is a one time. Talk me or astronomical. Thank you gotta capable of that. And i want to say it right now. You can see for one thing down there. For whatever reason why they're sitting there hurts them pursue students. I got run around payment to be part of america's team. America's team see radna. This is anderson. Born to work is already broken. He's on the verge of quinton. Matter of fact they model me. Unders do quit. We're still for magnum either. Bit too lot and he will know about this. Second samuel warren moon recognition. You got the retribution. You're gonna receive as far exceed the little bit la to add a toll theory one time. He didn't listen now. Telling you houston. Don't let me get you alone anywhere tomorrow. When i'm telling you don't let me get you anywhere as you could say. Don't look like a non and around now does make a big mistake. You can beat everybody else that maybe get away with it. But you can't do that to the anderson. Sure can't do it. You can't do darn it couldn't do it too gene. We're not gonna do. It made a big mistake. Sam houston i would advise you to have is in the back of your head. Since dusty. rhodes and magnum p. Are such good friends of yours. And i would suggest that you put one in this pocket pocket because wherever you go you better be looking over your shoulder you better send somebody out before you walk out the door before you go into your house at night. You better check it out. You better put security. Wrap around your apartment wherever you are. You just know we might be there. I tell you this is going to stop. It's not going to be over two. We get you. Sam houston to get you and i know a lot of people say it. A lot of people wish they could do it but looking at the guys that have got everybody. And we're not gonna worry about a guy like you houston warning warning. You better beware someplace. Somehow you're gonna get it and the of the ones that are going to do it. I'm losing my mind all this houston you're gonna pay. I gotta have the satisfaction period. Good stuff man feel embarrassed to be on a promo with only. Oh dude come on. Yes so convincing so to the point you chest. It's like he just takes you on this ride. That when he's done you just go. Oh my god. I'm gonna move. I'm going to move out of town. It's he's relaxed. Is that the right word. It's one of them. He's he's relaxed in the fact that everything. He says he believes every word of it. Yeah it doesn't feel like Bruce sometimes say so and so was playing wrestler only not playing wrestler. All only believes what he's saying with every fiber of his being if he was down at the waffle house having breakfast with you or he's in his underwear talking into a microphone. Comes off as just as real. It's just there's no nerves there's no anxiousness this is just. This is the way life is. That's the approach of the field. I get as a fan. Any earned it over reps. You know you got to remember all the start in the seventies not the eighties and him. And jean were the team forever. God knows they reps and the amount of time that he got behind a microphone and and and could just talk to you and that's what it is. He's just if you're sitting there watching your here and talk to you and just explain to pretty graphically what's to come and it's it's void of emotion. It's almost like just a flat. Line that you're gonna to die. And here's why is remarkable I want to mention that We've got a couple more tv. Tapings in the month September twenty third year in greenville south carolina. There's going to be six man tag there Totally arn and buddy landale are gonna take on pez wildly the italian stallion and brady boone. And dusty rhodes is gonna do commentary and He's going to be helping david. Crockett do that. But what. I found interesting about that is. It's gonna eventually lead into some jal jacking back and forth with you and dusty about the television title. We're gonna talk about that next week. i do wanna mention that Sam houston had something to say. To mr bob coddle on this episode of of mid-atlantic. Let's take a listen to all sam. Tell his story all right all right. Now let's bring in this young man. Sam houston sam. Tell you you have been wrestling. You've been wrestling now for weeks with a real handicap and that's cast on an arm and a broken arm. Yes sir it is it. is it's been a handicap for me. I won't tell you something. Ladies and gentlemen boys and girls out there. I wanna thank you very much all the support. You've given me a newspeople right out behind me all the way the program you saw one. You saw the happiest moment in my life. I've pinned arn anderson one two three right in the middle of the ring and one of my teachers magnum. Ta was there with me at ringside when it happened now and you said you said there was two on one. It wasn't that way at all. It was you and i in the ring alone by ourselves and you went down for the one two three not this kid right here. One beat you fair and square. And i will tell you something else. I've getting ready. I'm getting ready for only anderson. I'm getting ready for art anderson. And i'm getting ready for telly. Blanchard with dusty rhodes magnum ta. And maybe michael samuel houston three on three. I've proven myself now. Beat aren't anderson on tv so that it makes me happy. I'm happy very happy and these people are happy. Sam you talking about aren't you talk about tully blanchard. What about the arm. How's the arm coming along. Mom's getting better. it's getting better. The doctor said real soon. My the cash should be coming off that healing. I'm doing i'm working out. I'm training with it now. It's been hard. Is that gonna be payback time when that happens day back tom when this happens buddy when this when this kid. So i'm coming full force. I nothing gonna stop me. Never gonna stomach dusty that would be payback time. All right the anderson's not only you but they're talking about hurting a lot of people. Maybe you can stop that from happening. If you can take care of the andersons is i've been in your mind as to you. Know they call them. The minnesota wrecking crew which they are until he blanchard. You a very dangerous individual yourself and let me say something. We're dangerous to and we're coming out for you to do all we can. It's it's interesting to hear all these promos back to back. You hear a seasoned vet like holy here guy like yourself is very much come into his own and then you hear a guy who is really just getting started and in a weird way. Because he's baby face. It's kind of endearing and charming that he so excited that he doesn't really know what to say. I mean i don't that out of context. You would appreciate that but in the context of this story that he's the the young gun it really makes sense era in that day he did pull off a miracle. Yeah some hail and he was actually as a baby face said. He did it by himself which he didn't but they accepted it. And the fact that he is basically talking in circles and so ecstatic that he's just over zealous works because he did something unheard of and it fit the time and it fit the era and it fit. What was going on. And you're right it kind of in deers you. Because it humanizes sam to the audience yeah. He's a young guy just trying to figure things out. He had this gift fall into his lap and he did the unheard of and now he's gonna be victim but you know including the fans band behind him. Some some people would say it's just too cheesy but it worked for him in this particular situation because they did get behind and it was It's okay to say that well we got a lot to say about next month And we'll be talking about it next week. In september of eighty five coming to an end. October is right around the corner Let's button up the rest of the month. though you guys do tv taping in greenville south carolina on september twenty third as we mentioned. That's where we're going to hear the the famous promo where you're saying dusty not defending that title but it doesn't quite yet You're gonna do another show at the scope on september twenty seventh. You're going to have ten thousand fans there. Rick flair and magnum. Ta are going gonna go to a sixty minute draw. Awa is gonna do a super clash on september twenty eighth. I mentioned it because there is Some jim crockett promotions talent on the card on the twenty ninth. You're back in the omni. And what a big show. This is because we've got a lot of moving parts. Ron garvin is gonna team with terry taylor to fight the national tag team. Champions only are into a draw but then in the main event ric flair is going to defeat nikita in a steel cage match and after the bout crusher chef closes the door as ivan makita. Double team the champion. And then what do you know. Dusty rhodes comes out to make the save. And i'll be damned hair. Come olien arn come out. They locked cage and they help flare triple team roads and eventually flare hits that big knee drop off the top We're going to break dusty rhodes leg in the process. Of course flares. Going to apply the figure four and ricky morton and robert gibson and magnum. Ta and sam houston. All the baby faces are going to try to make the save but it's too late and eventually when the cage door is opened flair and the andersons escape. It's a damn near riot here in the omni and the other wrestlers are gonna tend to dusty rhodes but that is going to build the star. Cade that is going to build. Maybe one of the more academic promos in the history of professional wrestling the hard times promo but tell me about that night in the omni september. Twenty nine nine thousand nine hundred five in front of twelve thousand fans. This is maybe the the biggest moment to kick off the horsemen but one of the more conic moments and the whole flare roads trilogy. And you're right in the middle of it. Well just the twists and turns that got you to dusty come down to help flare then flare turns on dusty when the andersons get there and joins in the the mugging which was such a curve to the audience is like what what what's happening in once. That door got locked but he when guys started coming down and all those names that you mentioned. We're we're climbing that cage. That's usually the exit point for heels in a cage match. If you're going to get heat like that once. The baby faces come down start climbing that cage. It's family time well. We started knocking them off the cage and the volume went up again. And i'm looking at all and he said just keep knocking them off and we kept knocking. Those guys off in the audience figured out. Hey they're not going to save these guys this i mean they're gonna kill dusty in there. What the hell and we opened the door and we stepped out of that cage but ten or fifteen across about fifteen back started pushing forward. I don't know how many people it was. But they started pushing us back and back into the cage and had it not been for about twelve atlanta police officers who came down with nightsticks and were able to beat them back and give us enough room to get out of the cage and hit the floor and we started working our way. Those police officers around us back to the locker room and it. It took a ball to get there because that place it was a full ride. It was an almost a riot. It was full blown and they were hitting us in the head was stuff and you know all kinds of we got the hell beat out of getting back to the locker room and i gotta tell you it was frightening. I'm gonna blow my chest out and say all hell. we kicked. We kicked a hundred fans asked to back to the locker room. That's not the case lanta. Police officer saved our life and we were fighting for our live just to get back to the locker room and it was. It was the scariest moment of my career. It was very real and all those fans is very real. An our iras cost ban they put it on and it was an angle that just fired. What was already simmering territory and starting to build it just inflamed and be because dusty. Was that over. It was that first linked to the andersons flair being that close and it was leading to something big time and we know what that was. We know what that was put in hard times on the american dream he had just won the tv title. In july ultimately that titles gonna wind up being vacated we know where it's going to land But we're going to land on october next week. Right here on on I guess we should mention the day after this near riot. In the omni september thirtieth year in charlotte north carolina at the coliseum dusty rhodes in action a little worse for wear little beatdown little battered as in singles competition with arn anderson. You know now in your hometown at the coliseum you industy one on one. This is a guy who used to watch on tv. And now you're standing across the ring from him and and there's no cooperman it's mono mono head to head nose-to-nose toe to toe are you pinching yourself. As this the time of your life so far and the angle is behind us right. Yep happened the day before. So it's an angle match theirs. Dusty rhodes the american dream and he is pissed and he has got a reason to be pissed and he is in full blown and bolts coming out of his eyes. I would just about imagine if is a bet man. That's just one ass what i had to take. Yeah unusually you didn't win that one. Not only when a my auto god an offensive. Move the entire. I do wanna mention Dusting is gonna officially be stripped in october. But that's not going to keep you from before in advance planning claiming that year. The end of your television champion. 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Episode 285: SummerSlam 2006

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

1:43:52 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 285: SummerSlam 2006

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That's not a album. There's no box of gamay. Innuendo deal rumored you went in there there. Some ankle you. Bruce ads. All machine tannehill. What's say now something. The result rules. Natalie old underwear. What about that. Well sure good so good girl. Todd walk away to russell. Wrestled bruce pritchard. Hey hey conrad thompson. You're listening to something to wrestle with. Bruce prichard bruce. Are you there. can you hear me. Is this real okay. You survived summer slam weekend. How excited to you. That one of the major tent pole events the biggest summer slam ever in the rear view. Mirror that i had to be a stressful week last week bubba Okay yeah right. You're you know this is what fans are tuning in for me. And all this powerful inside is we're wishing you will and congratulating you and you just hit us with the tired. Conrad i'm tired. Well liked what am i. Your bruce prichard. No oh you're tired. you're sleepy stressed. Okay okay. work fifteen year anniversary of summer slam. Oh six which is what we're going to be covering today. Of course last week the plan was to do summer slam one but see. I was eight years old. That would have been that would be incorrect. How how can that be. Get your facts. Say this from the observer. Did i say fifty. I meant to say fifteenth. Oh never mind either way last week. We're supposed to do a one. But bruce was stressed sleepy. Tired somewhere in las vegas and our recording scheduled. Listen lineup so now. He's well rested. And if you could see osce you would know him lying It's an interesting year here in two thousand six. We're in the process of covering this timeframe over on the kurt angle show and really how he was on his way out of the wwe. But this show was hogan's return to the squared circle for the first time in forever since he beat shawn michaels back. Summertime oh five and The ric flair mick foley match is the internet match that everyone had been clamoring for and of course the x. versus the mcmahon's and oh yeah eds versus cena in the main event pretty crazy summer of. Oh six of course. The summer really gets kicked in high gear with abc w launching. And then almost immediately you lose robin dam and seibu. Once they're pulled over and well you have to change everything Angle is going to essentially try to force himself out of the company. Batista in booker t. Get into a shoot fight backstage. It's almost like this is Maybe one of the more controversial momentous summers in. Wwe history hero six right what spike in everything go wacky and haywire. I think it was a hot summer sun. That was beating down upon. The united states of america with hot baby will get a little crazy getting run summer fever if you will. Again all fungi. Lack among people slapping people jumping people in caitlyn people coming up to the. Hey you won't fight. I fakty difficult fight. Well i don't fight me on fight punching slap around here a little bit crazy man crazy women all over the place getting like mogens if you will and then they all gas again. And they're heavily. We'd take a ride. Give a bell bag. Knew what you gotta do. That's the several that's six. Everybody knows that everybody was great. Remember your momma your momma calling me and they look look. He's twenty he'll here. Yeah you know that. The ad. Because i do my mad a much better my math in this in this frame of mind that she's a kind of value he wants to go all over the country what he wants wealthy raffling and and look at this year. I they in school. We evacuate agreement fail. Wait a minute. I was twenty five. I wasn't in school but mama wants you in school. Of course you want send back. She said that the family business. I was in mortgages anyways. Your vacuum cleaner. I know what you doing. I know because that's what i do told me the cree fix crazy. Baby legitimately is this one of the most tumultuous times and company history. This summer. I mean launching an third brand. There's a fight between two. Your top guys batista booker angles in a bad way. Trying to figure out what's best for him. He's thinking he needs to leave. Crown rob van dam not only cw champ but wwe champ. And now you're champions making the wrong of headlines getting pulled over with booth for some jumping mick foley in cafeteria in line and for the for the brownies and the chocolate chip cookie than the leader muffins at the end of the table. All kinds she going on that whole Folly flare thing happened here in huntsville. How 'bout that. I'm i'm you know i miss both rick's goddamn diatribes. Umass winning us that eric in saint louis. Yeah missouri can saint louis and mikka mic there. Well got eric in saint louis like after it happened that that evening but the mic one. I miss By just our so. I think The whole mc thing was flair win. The ring started like calling them out right but the four doors were open like i dunno. It's hilarious to me. He wants to have a fighting ring and kind of just heard john jumped him in the catering line or something. And if that's real. I now i heard slammed the book bound. You know follies book wanting them to comment on what he said. Or however it worked or maybe foley brought it either way. There was a book involved. There's some hurt feelings and Looking back you. Kind of assume. If eric bischoff is going to get in a fight backstage it would probably have to happen in catering right because that's where everybody says he hangs out. Yeah eric was in dressing. Room with adequate peeve aircrews on phones dressing room. Taking on a life of its own is the phrase that pissed rick and let me tell you i thought the whole scene other people talk about god montreal screw job like they were focusing their. I can talk about god. Damn rick fights regarded bruce lee. Stanton give rick. Rick web in rick went to chop them to an air duct because he latin fan. 'cause karate man he threw one hook kicks king. Bamboo bam beans in richardson. Rick came in but wrinkle throwing them working peers lunches so he was winning kazaa about foam here. This point and then regard that went for the figure fall into on. Anderson came in withholding he was holding giving rick director leverage. There wasn't oh escape largest slot came in dropped elbow. I wanna drop their. I would watch it to be watching so nobody would ever know i was there. Yeah i have no idea in hindsight. How much did rob van dam. Suspension changed the plans to think. Well certainly change plans for rob and that was during the time the you know new in trying to do something. Different ec. W if it had a chance at needed one of their stall works to be the flagbearer for both. And i think rob had a great opportunity and unfortunately add a coupla plans. 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Sometimes i've even been known to do stupid shit. I don't believe. I know. I know the british heart. I can see a breaking all the way from here. It's true it's like it's like it's like this program you know this this no one can hear you. Yeah but they can eat conrad. Cassie you know what i mean. They could see through my to my Vocal interludes of that. That was a heart made with two hands. I won't together okay. I got my forefingers together in the middle a thumbs thumbs-down join down below. And it's in the shape of a heart and then go. Is the fingers separate them from each other as the heartbreak i done. Is this the way you do to me every day this hard. This is what you explained. Creative backstage sometimes sometimes got to leonese chimpanzees snow so mentioned. I'm gonna leave that one alone. Stephanie went into labor. Especially after the last conversation the raw after great american bash. So you lose vincent aaa for raw the very next night and i'm assuming creative obviously knows that this is going to happen but there's never a good time when you're fresh off of a pay per view to lose to your top talents like vincent triple h but man. I think this is something fans. Sometimes miss is that sometimes real life gets in the way so you probably had a role written that was heavily featuring triple h. Vince mcmahon to help set up the storyline of the mcmahon's versus the ex. But now they're chess. Pieces are off the table. Because stephanie's meccan that baby happened bullshit. They're all jumping play. Took all left with all of those little railroad bone in her. It was crazy. It was fucking crazy. I remember you know going to whatever Forget the town we read. I never michael. As and i walked around. Michael looked at me. I'm in charge. And he said do that day. I'm pretty sure he said that. They exist dave dave. I'm in charge. And please whenever people see michael hayes today. Just look at them. Do man please just for me. I'm begging you do dude. He does love it. He does love. No you know what the thing is is. He does love it he does. Yeah it's so. Let's talk about The other moving pieces here Melena mick foley rick flair. It's all one big massive an angle You sort of addressed that. They had some real life heat over what they wrote about each other in their respective books. And it's going to spill over here in huntsville and that's going to be you know a threat of real life off camera violence. How do you guys get cooler heads to prevail and these guys turn this backstage story into a real money drawing angle on tv. Well because there was true animosity there there. Was you know that real animosity but you also have professionals that that are there to make money. And they're there to do what they need to do. So you get people to lighten up. Francis trash fresh goddamn she late that god damn hard. Just lighten the fuck up and work with each other and that's what it really came down to you. You had some some tidbits of reality and that's where we were. Well let's Let's keep it going here. How did molina come into play. You know we we know we've got foley and we've got Flair but wise melena chosen to be in the mix here in real life. Molina and mick. Were we're close and molina would go to for advice and mick really liked molina and tried to help her out with her career as well Nothing on any kind of a relationship other than they were friends and it was kind of a mentor mentor ship. More than anything tigress was going to announce on raw. Stephanie gave birth to a baby. Girl named laura rose who made the call to announce that on raw. That's something that i mean. Obviously vince approved that right. I mean there's no way they're just arbitrarily spilling the beans but is there a discussion to to not do that. And maybe keep it private because that is something that other families have chosen over the years. Yeah i'm pretty sure that was vinson. Call that you know. She has baby. We can announce it on tv and go from there. How did Hulk hogan come to be in terms of returning to face rainy orton. Was this halt hoping to push his daughter. Brooks album is this. What's the angle here. Why why's hawks are looking to get back in the squared circle with you guys. Well i think that hulk was looking to come back in general and also during this time it was rainy was legend killer. Hulk was the perfect opponent for randy. And you add into that. His daughter brooke was was looking to start doing her music. And everything ranch. Young ran his that. Young looking guy that Any girl like brooks age you know might find attractive and want to get to know better and broke being attractive young lady on her way up. And maybe somebody that randy would be attracted to story live so It was pretty easy. You know it was that forbid love and daddy going. you know. you're not gonna do anything. That damn legend killer guy. Because i'm a legend. He could kill me this logic. Listen i liked the legend killer thing. And i'm glad that whole came back but i've just been fascinated forever by that. Sorta love hate on again off again. Hokey pokey style relationship. That vincent hogan had together. I mean just a year prior he had the big match with with sean at summer slam which we've talked about in our cavs but of course sean was doing his best to be Well sean. But maybe sean of ninety seven ninety eight. Not exactly who we thought. Sean wasn't a five. But then he's gone. And i think most of the time when there was a falling out with vincent hogan i've heard that usually was money. How can felt like he was more valuable to the program and there was a disagreement over cash. Do you think that's the reason he maybe took a powder in oh five and maybe he is trying to push some of these outside projects and no six and that's the motivation to take another stab absolutely and i think that's always the motivation with all folksongs looking at it from a business standpoint and what he can do business wise whether or not Creative that that always seemed to be an after fact with hulk at caucus very involved in creative and wanted to talk about and have input on it but as far as disputes. They were almost always over money. I'm curious was there any hesitation to bring hoke back. Has anybody in the wf side of things vance or anyone else say god. We really want to do this. We know how this is going to end. That's going to be short term or do you think well who cares we can. We can get a big match summer slam and having worked with some younger talent. He didn't have to be alive for we. Can we still have value in hulk hogan there were probably those that rolled their eyes. But i don't think anybody that came up said. Oh god de don't bring back. I think even to the contrary. I think there were some guys wanted to work with him. Do you remember there being discussions with all about the way things went with sean backing oh five or is it just water on the bridge by that point swatter to the bridge. There's a big shift in canadian. Tv coverage it's going to get a lot of news. The wb is going to shift raw tsa and to the score and it's being spun by the wb that it'll be better for them because they won't be delayed or postponed for sporting events but meltzer claim that the problems were really about the content of the show noting that dow infamous edge in leader. Live sex show back in january and then there was a triple agent candice michelle acting like they were receiving oral attention That's a real sentence on july third and supposedly. That's the straw that broke the camel's back. The you remember there being some discontent about the content of the program up in canada was always discontent candidate. Having a lot stricter rules when you look at international programming. God when you get into the middle east India places like that china Japan just there were everywhere pretty much man. Everybody had different rules while in the uk. You know you can turn on television anywhere in the uk and you'd see you know full nudity. Language was really not not an issue and it was just based on the region to canada. Canada was a little bit more conservative. definitely more so than the united states at that time and it made it easier made it easier to get all of our content on and for them not to want to edit us and it was. It was a better move for us. Because we weren't in the preemption and we weren't in a position where we were going to be in a in a place where they could edit us or what to edit us the mayor's is going to announce on raw that. Maurice was eliminated from the diva search. But she wasn't eliminated from his life. Did you see that one coming was predicted that. No god no william seen at comedy when she started full-time no not million years. You know marissa's one of these people from the diva search. The worked her ass off. Man she wanted it so bad and once she got in and around the business. That's what she wanted to do and she wanted to. She wanted to work. She wanted to be in it. So you know when you look back. And i know people love to knock maurice in the balance and everything but i couldn't tell you of three harder working talent. That just wanted it really really bad. And every single day would be sending you ideas would always be the first ones their last one to leave and in training camps. So yeah she. We knew. I think at that point that she was interested in coming to train. And we were interested in keeping hers. Well lilly the mishit. I don't think anybody could have called. lilian garcia returns on july. Twenty four th the as the ring announcer. While i was lily in the right move at this point and and was it time. Why did the company think or did thank thank as time from ada e-zone honoring answer. I think it was just more a situation of time to move on and time to change things up impression it up a little bit. it happens. let's talk about The the whole kurt. angle thing He's having some some problems at the time in the ring. Outside of the ring he's got. Some injuries is probably overmedicating. Think that's been well documented. But it's written that. He was actively trying to get on the summer slam card. What was the the nature of the kurt. Angle situation here in two thousand six. I think that you know. Kurt was it as curtis talked about curt his. Add some some demons and some issues at times. So sometimes it'd be worse than others and i think that it would go hand in hand with whatever injuries kurt had. He wouldn't tell anybody about that he would try to rehabilitate himself. Whether it was self medicating or some kind of a crazy different rehab. The no one ever heard of that. There was some guy in rural west. Virginia in a cave somewhere that he heard could heal him he would go and do all of this stuff so with it was a coaster And it was a lot of times very hard to tell. Because kurt was a machine. I mean man. Olympic gold medalist. He was a world class athlete. That was literally a machine was a cyborg and kurt could go and you didn't really ever know how bad kurt was hurt. If you like most of us you carry a balance your credit cards and postcards come with high interest rates. You need my friends at livestream. Lower your interest rate and save or the credit card consolidation loan from livestream rates. 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If you have a credit card bacteria a balance what are you waiting for. Hurry to livestream dot com slash russell. Start saving today. That's livestream dot com slash russell. I think it said that He was sending some not so nice text messages when he was maybe overmedicated. Vince mcmahon and really having no memory of sending those messages because he had overdone it to cope with the pain but even shared those maybe legendary story where he had torn his growing and he was hurt and he knew he needed time off so he just interrupted a meeting and Drop trowel in front of the chairman to show him. How bad the bruising was from this groin injury he had sustained the result is he wrestled his last match on august. Eighth which is for the c w television show ends in a no contest against that boo. And then he's released five days after this summer slam august twenty fifth. Two thousand six It was probably just time for for kurt to take a break fair to say i do. I think that it was time. Kirk get healthy. Let's let's talk about trish. In leader is reported in the observer that the contract negotiations were going on and it didn't seem as if either we're going to be renewed. We've recently covered trish in the archives. But this is going to leave a big hole in your roster. If you're really two of your top female talents your top at different times baby faces on that side of things merch. Movers if you will are looking to leave. What was the The debbie's position on trying to keep tradition leader in the machine. If you will well. I think we wanted them both in the mix obviously and i don't know if it was them wanting to leave as much as it was both them may be looking for some time off and just arrest up and take a break off the road the The other thing we should mention is there's a role on august seventh in memphis where we would see jerry. Lawler lose to randy orton in about two minutes with the arcadio really building up the whole pledging killer especially when you beat jerry. Lawler in memphis is an ass on the show. The hulk hogan has a torn meniscus. And there's doubt that hugging may make you summer slam match against randy. Was this part of the story line or are you sort of hedging. Your bets in case holds pulls out. A hulk was actually hurt. We didn't know whether or not he would actually be able to make it so at that point. It was like okay. Let's get them prepared and prepared. They were Omagh is going to pin triple h to close the show. Then vince delivers a pedigree of his own to triple h and then kurt angle wrestles his last match for the wwe tv for eleven years as we mentioned going to that no contest with sambu where we can undertake your in cali to have a last man standing match announce for summer slam. But it's move forward to smackdown. Was this the type of match. Especially with a talent. Like greg kelly with his size and experience probably just want that one on paper view on tape rather than on pay per view. Would that be fair to say. I would much rather have it on tape. Yeah sure yeah. So the other thing i wanted to mention. Is you know. This is a summer slam. Where when you take a look at this this lana. And it's quite the link of matches here or or roster of masters here sh- chavez and ramos stereo big show and seibu hogan and randy orton ric flair and mick foley. Batista and king booker deacs versus mr. Shane mcmahon edge versus sina notice who didn't list undertaker's not on the show. This is not the network era. This is very much the pay per view era and the undertaker being a a tippy top guy seemingly losing his shot and a big pay-per-view pay off here based on creative head to be frustrating to the real life mark. Calloway you remember that situation. Yeah but also at the same time. The real life undertaker wanted to sometime off as well. I think that you know his body was banged up a lot. He was looking to say. Hey man if you work with the great khali kind of ninety tonight out trust me your body would wanna break right after little while. That's all it was not not the most advantageous the best position for the company to be inter for creative to be in much rather have had him jeff. Hardy is doing promotional videos Being shown for his His return to action. How is jeff coming back into the fold here. What was his approach. Are you reaching out to him saying. Hey let's put the band back together. Here's what we wanna do creatively. Does he come with ideas. Just what was it. Like to work with jeff hardy in this era. Well i'll tell you you know for me. It's always been pleasureable the to work with jeff with very few exceptions and during this time you had a clear headed. Jeff hardy who wanted to come back and wanted to be the guy so Clear-headed jeff hardy ready to rock and roll. Is man the best she could possibly get so it was during that time. But you gotta kinda baby step into those waters and make sure the swim were you watching has stuff on the channel when he was with tna. I did yeah. I kept up with jeff. Always been a big fan of jeff for. I go back to the days when he lied about his age. Being a an extra in an enhancement. Talent back in the day making their own gear off. The jeff was something special about him from day. One charlottesville virginia is the home of this. Go home raw. For summer slam features the now infamous segment of edge at the home of john. Cena father awed an edge smacks the shit out of him. You've got a story for this chats up so many stories from that shoot. I know it was a lot of fun at the that was actually john senior. Seniors house The the best part was lead had her dog and put her dog down in the house and the dog went and made a number two. I mean like within ten seconds of being let down In the house and the man just didn't clean it up just left it there It was i. I don't know it was a little. Surreal but what you see is what you get in. John's dad is one of the the coolest guys you'd ever wanna meet I don't know how all the is but you would swear that he's attornal forty and live in his best life it every single day of it and is we got there. We you know we did these vignettes. We had some fun. That wasn't john senior being over the top. That was just john senior being john senior. Listen spin ahead It was it was just great stuff. And i was with brian words on that i think one of the the fun things to come out of it was giving bryan his first bc powder and watching him take that all it is now that really realizing what to do and then it went up his nose and it was a fun experience and Shoutout to johnson's father still making appearances. I saw over the weekend baby was a podcast show at kowloon with Our old pal. Zack ryder and oil mac. Don't whatever you know what i'm saying. Anyway i saw. I don't know if you saw this can learn. Made the the wall street journal last week that they're going out of business. Yeah i talked to andy wild back and sad man legendary place we gotta go back maybe not to do a show just to eat right. I mean golly yeah and he yeah the wings and the generals chicken or off the chart in. They have some best eggrolls as well. All the shit's get i. It's almost as good as the The story that. Brian told us When he was one of our live shows any described johnson. Is dad trying to do the acting here. Can you give us an impression of john. Recreating john seniors. Oh god it. Jus- was just over the top. Everything was hey. It's been ahead and you tricky. Do i'll send you the moon. Yeah just over the top in hokey is. You could get if you arriving. Hokey over the top. That's what you got. We didn't write any of that. That was just john senior bands. John senior you try to. That's the thing when when when you encounter real characters and then you want the real characters not be that character. Sometimes it's it's it's tough because it's gonna come out that way. I'm sorry it's just gonna come out that way. And that's the way that john senior is in real life man and he's a character. He's over the top character that The just go out of my way any and every time that he was even in a building to go say hello. Pay my respects to him because he's just that much of a gentleman but he's a character we We see lleida. Defeat mickey to become the women's champion on raw. Is this like a Hey later we're not done with you. We still got big plans for you. Want to show you that with our creative. No which is one Be champion and we weren't done with her Listen this lineup eugene. Jim duggan defeat. Mikey and kenny of the spirit squad in a non title match when the highlanders interfere two thousand six and that sentence was like a bad acid trip. Moore's the islanders as regulate would say the highlanders. Why don't you think they Had a longer run in. Wwe that more than anything. They wanted to focus more on the gimmick than actually working and there has to be a happy medium. There has to be a happy medium in there. Where you work your ass off to get the gimmick over the gimmicks over new. You just work. And they were trying so hard To nicer guys can fine. Both those guys were tremendous is robbie and rory Super great guys in the and they really just wanted to. I think they were just confused. Is how to get there. And if they got their doubt they would remain there. Shannon moore is being promoted as debut in with a new look was shannon and hardy coming in like a package deal only ask because i know those guys have been friends forever. Well it was coincidental and ethic that you know shannon kind company and also to take jeff a little bit and isn't going to hurt things. Did you think we were really going to do this. 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Mike's supposed- he with bruce prichard. I think he's the one who famously said. What's that old catchphrase. He used at out. I've never been able to understand his heat with me. Because i didn't really know who he was. I didn't really ever get a firm grasp of why he was sore with either unless it was just a funny line for a shoot interview because it is a funny line is is it. I'd take a bullet for tom. And put one in bruce or something like that. Yeah yeah yeah and and and it would be. He will probably be able to accept would know who he was. Okay you know. I don't see and i know that sounds mean but i I did one of those deals where you don't remember simon dane gun. You don't know who is yes. Let's mark marching. I understand that gave hear me out for a second. So i did one of those word association things and they said nova and the only thing that i could think of nova was the female in the planet of the apes. Remember that name was nova. I never watched him. Oh god damn look gonna take sidebar. Come back to this okay. we'll get back to nova. Came on. Saturday was the first movie you've ever remember seeing in a movie theater. That's a great question. I'm going to think. I think it was rocky four. Which would have been traced so i was four years old rocky four so when you say planet of the apes i was negative thirteen so that was. That was my second. My first movie was born. Free born free about the lion. Yeah that's that's from nineteen sixty six. That was my first movie. I remember seeing the second is negative. Didn't second movie was nineteen sixty eight. Which was the original planet of the apes. Yeah okay anyway okay nova. They asked me about dovan. I said the who was saying this scenario. I don't know. I don't know somebody in one of those like interview things. Hey and we were association as sure man and they said no overnight said the player of the apes girl so then it was explained that that was this guy. And i didn't know what he i i don't think i ever encountered him dealt with him in any way shape or form ever one time when he was working in the office in the company so to say that i knew what he did there anything else or had any encounters good battery in different. I didn't i remember shooting the with him in houston on his little Moped thingy going through a burger fast food restaurant thing and getting food that night if he lost. That's that's it pretty much interaction with him. Let's talk about a couple of other fellows. Andrew goldstein and dave kapoor were hired as reiner's around this time. Of course andrew. A friend of the show. Dave is still up there. What do you remember about andrew. When dave coming into the company here nice guys you know who's in the television business somewhere Bomb get an email text on that one Then Davis down in florida. Still very good friends severed feats rob van dam in a ladder match to become the number one contender face big show at summer slam. Why sambu over rob van dam here. D- thank god. I have no idea unless someone for big show to slough about the best i can. I can come up with lamb for big show. Have a big be a giant. I know i couldn't think of a way to ask it but under got got a circle back. Can you remember an idea that goldstein or kapoor pitch. That would be like. Hey man that that was a home run or that was from silly shit. He either way. No okay i can remember going back to two. One of the writers pitching a super porky midget that he was a a little person. A mini super parkey little. Short barky from lucia dr Great guy super tough guy. but he's a grown ass man. He was a short grown ass man but it was not a mini. He was not a little person and will writers. Pitch that All yeah no. He's a mini. I know he's a many many. We brought him in as many. And i kept telling him. But he's not a mini just short. Now watch super pork. Man in mexico city knocked to out in the middle of the match. The stiff Rolled out to the outsider. Inches knocked them. The fuck out. Well that total punches yeah That's harlem yes. Sure did man and then came back and it was like all the american guys and they thought i was with the american guys and i was just their independent. Just kind of watching. The the show is guest buckle lonzo and and porky takes a room. I think okay now. I'm going to get killed. And he apologizes to me and his broken english and pulls out something. I didn't know what the hell like. Oh my god now. he's gonna kill me. He's got a knife and it was bottled tequila institution. I drink amigo and we drank this fucking bottle of tequila in. I do not do first of all. I don't do well with just straight alcohol though. Don't be well especially don't do well brown liquor at all. Don't do brown liquor. This was gold keila. I drank with him. I was scared. Why are you scared. He was going to stab you because it was a very heated situation is really heated. It was it was guys. Grab shit and everything. Yeah it was. It was pretty heated. But you weren't involved in any that walked into it. I got in the dressing room and then porky grammy right afterwards and had had something in this bag. You had something in his hand now. My almost fuck that is and but he was couldn't have been sweeter who became. You know your friends have to that but a class class guy. And i understood man. I was with him for in the dude out during the match. Motherfucker i gotta tell you. I'm a little surprised to hear you say that you're scared. No one at this point four time. At that time. I was only like a that time. I was three time like all tamer. Seems like something you see you feed off your fear. I mean i killed him. Oh you know he just passed away. Phrasing it is i do. Why is very sad about that to leyla. Wins the diva search. Did you see star and layla. No one are I don't know. I just didn't what song layla was personality right And is i got to work with her. After the fact then. I was like going okay. Yeah yeah she had those star qualities. I just didn't think she exhibited those star qualities diva search. Not after the fact it. When i got to work with a one on one man she was she was really good. Not that great ring but she was really good as far as personnel. Ian starship. yes you now. We're talking about someone else the other day and he said boy that's some. It's just oozes charisma But that's one of those deals. Where sometimes you got to actually made them to know that right exactly and you gotta get inside their head and talk to them whether they if they can captivate four or five people in a backstage environment or just in in talking to them in general than captivate an audience so mvp is being shown as hanging in the sky boxes and he makes his decision on which brand to sign with. This really is a great way to introduce someone an. Mvp made the most of it and he's still in a featured spot today. Whose idea was it to introduce. Mvp this way. A lot of that was his idea. And you know it was his idea for the mvp gimmick and how introduce him and all of that. A lot of that came from him. is going to be collie on the smackdown at go home show and colleague even now winds up bleeding here. Hypothetically what do you think that conversation would have sounded like Yeah he just got busted in the head and got busted open so only take her I take it wasn't really fond of kali during this run and shit just happens. Well we're finally here at the show. We get a mixed reaction from the readers of the rest of service show. now that will smackdown. Oh god thirty. Two point seven percent thumbs up thirty seven point two percent thumbs down and thirty point two percent thumbs in the middle thirteen thousand five hundred paid here for a gate of more than eight hundred thousand dollars. it's only a seven match. Show though you know when when you look back at that oh one show. They had several more matches But this is just a seven-match show where you guys trying to. Maybe less is more. Let's give the guys more time. Tell a bigger story probably subconsciously. Yes and you had guys could go longer and make it entertaining. But i don't know that it was really this okay. Hey let's make a conscious effort to do this thing. It was more of a you have the you have the card. Sit there you go through your time. It and that's what shakes out to be and you had people that could do it. It just feels like tom. There's been different sort of eat. You know this is an eight-match show here for oh six. It was a non match show and five But it feels like at different times. You know you've had what's the expression ten pounds of shit and a five pound bag. Did you feel like at times. The company maybe tried to cram too much into a show or is go home. I do i i think that. Sometimes there's a the matter of you've got a lot of attractions that may be worthy of being on the show. And sometimes you have to show restraint in editing some of those matches and being able to either prolong them or put them somewhere else. That's just the reality of it. You go back to like the year. Two thousand and there's there's ten matches on the show and But it feels like most were just. I don't know they had an extra match or two in this one. Didn't feel like it was overdone and as a result most of the massive got some time. Let's break it down out. I has java guerrero pinning ramos stereo ten minutes. Fifty nine seconds melted. Say there was nothing wrong with the wrestling but it was evident of the two minute mark in this mass that it didn't have any heat Not near the heat should have with the up. It was given. Jpl's doing commentary and said that he had to hire extra security. His wedding case. Eddie fell off the wagon so Some weird weird commentary here Supposedly gabia one's getting a little bit heat over that line and he also maybe a little bit heat when he is talking about the batista match saying he cried like a little bitch when you had to give up the title but in fairness jbl is really cutting his teeth on commentary so he's thrown right into the fire and maybe as a result has a little bit of heat. Well you know you tell somebody go out there and open up and they go out in the open up and they're gonna make mistakes and the only way to learn is to make mistakes right and if you don't then you're not trying hard enough so good. Jbl live maybe not said some of the things. Sure but then. I don't know that you wouldn't have gotten jbl. The finish of the match sees mysterious. Do a face. Buster off the top rope with guerrero and then hit the six one nine and the hurricane. Rana over the top rushing and at that point vickie guerrero came out Elsewhere say to our credit vicky was animated as hell and came off as believably frantic for wanting the to to stop fighting but it was way too obvious. This isn't what the people wanted to see or materia went to the top rope. He was being booed. Heavily and at the same point vicky was climbing onto the apron and grab the top rope to pull herself off this shaking. The rope calls mistero loses balance and he fell in the ring after coaching himself. Chabot put him away with a brain buster. A frog splash two and a quarter stars. I gotta tell you. I thought he did a great job here and i liked the execution of this where and feels like. She's just trying to help herself. But she accidentally cost ray the match of course the eventual vicky. He'll turn is a few days later. But i think it's arguable. This is chose biggest way in his career at this point baiting ramos with summer slams. A big damn deal. What'd you think of the match watching it back for the first time and all these years really thought it was excellent. I can watch these guys work. you know. Every day of the week twice on sunday they did a great job. And this was you know. Just a little teaser. Setting everyone up for the vicki. Turn and i don't think anyone expected that at all so The bill the execution. Everything i thought was top notch In the second match big show's going to retain his e. cw title painting saboo in eight and a half minutes. Meltzer would say it's a garbage style match. That doesn't even fit. Wasn't even good in its style and the live crowd wasn't much into it. Seibu box to spa and then show gave him a spine buster through one table and choke slam through a second for the pin star and a half. This is a criticism that you hear a lot that the cw style didn't really work on w. wbz tv and a lot of e c w loyalists i wealth. Because they didn't let the guys put the match together it was it was wbz's interference it. Just wasn't the same. They didn't have the same creative license. Is there something to that or do you think it was just a style that this audience didn't wanna see. I think it's the style that overall people didn't want to see otherwise they would have remained in business so it was. You still try to incorporate pieces of it and it wasn't something the big show did. Indoor did well so it just was a clash of styles in the clash. Crap that did work We need to mention the The next match is hulk. Hogan randy orton. This is on third. Which is pretty crazy when you think about it that hulk hogan is in the third match. He gets a huge reaction elsewhere. He didn't move much but he usually doesn't orton had to come back and hit the arc. Ao and the ref county doesn't have to doesn't have to right sword hits the ref counts three but hugging has his foot on the ropes. Hogan makes his usual comeback with three punches. The food to the boot to the face and the leg drop. He plays to the crowd for a long time after leg. Drop before getting the pin two and a quarter stars in. It's crazy to think this has hogan's last ever match in a wwe ring. I mean i'm glad it's summer slam guy. I'm glad he got big win. But i don't know that i would have guessed that that would be the answer to a trivia question randy orton at summer slam though six as his last one first of all is. Is we discussed before. Nobody kicks out of the leg drop. Well established radio kick out of the damn leg. Drop beads asks cogan goddamn it so but also at the same time. I think you know the back issues. And and all the other issues. That that whole cad between his knees back and everything else and it was time for him to be out of the ring and if you were to ask cult today i think hulk could tell you still got one more emmy brother in his head he does. I just wouldn't for his for his health I don't wanna see that man. I wanna remember ho cogan. Is hulk hogan in the way the way he was and for him to come back and do some stall stuff and be hulk today always entertaining always great just man. He was his hulk. Hogan you don't wanna see hulk hogan jinping around the ring. I don't see that. See my guy right so i'm i'm glad it was his last match at least in. Wwe would go on to have more elsewhere but i. I don't think that that was the best thing for his just longevity and for his bobby in general how excited was randy to be working with hall. Come you go back. And you look at just. Their family history. The main of that very first wrestlemainia. Randy's that is there standing across the ring from hulk hogan and now here we are one of the biggest events of the year summer. Slam and randy. Orton finds himself standing across from cogan. It's pretty cool. It is real cool. I mean that randy enjoyed that one lost on randy randy looked at this as a helvin opportunity in opportunity to work with somebody that his dad did and big name in the business. It's it's super cool than to just have that context Orton has no issues with this. I'm sure you know he's getting work with the biggest are and the guy who worked with his dad. Bob la but there's a story that's come out. Mardi la was the referee. That hugging was adamant about doing this. Whole foot on the rope. False finish concept and I dunno. I found that interesting that hogan wanted to have that little thing in the match and i really like that. He's still got to pose with the fans but do you think there was any quote unquote heat about him. Doing all the hot dogging before the pin as opposed to after no. Because that's all cogan you get when you book it In hindsight do you wish he would have had. Hulk hogan participate in the whole legend. Killer thing and randy got him to like he did so many others. yeah i do. And i you know to appoint some people will say randy did get him but Yes idea wish. We could had him for more i I do want to bring up. The match itself got two and a quarter stars. Hogan's on third It just feels a little weird that he's on third and totally she on it. But what a cool moment. it is to to be a footnote in history for randy. Orton that hey. I got hogan's last match here Let's talk about the next match. Boy this one is going to be something else. Rick flair and mick foley are going to be an. I quit match an unbelievably ric flair wins. I got twelve minutes. And forty-seven seconds fully goes for. Mr soko ride away but then he puts barbed wire around. It flare uses a low blow but puts the bar bar sock on his hand and starts chopping foley. Which of course opens up his chest. Foley brings a barbed wire board out and before long flares bleeding everywhere. Six minutes in. Foley's already brought out the tax and flare winds up in the thumb tacks. Next comes the bar. Baseball bat fully drove that in the flares face flares refusing to quit flare knocks foley off the apron where he takes. The old nestea plunged bump with his head hitting garbage can and they send out trainers and agents and they wave off the match and the bell rang. flair was furious. Saying foley never said i quit. So in his mind the match wasn't over he kept rubbing the barbed wire bat. And foley's face but foley wouldn't quit and flare acts like he's going after the i and melena throws in the towel folly flare stated. He didn't accept that as a win and started to threaten to mess up. Molina's face with the bar barbaric and then fully quit. Meltzer said it was a good match three and a half stars interesting looking especially to see this much violence barbed wire bats barbed wire boards thumb tacks And now baby face. Which i guess is what flare is here threatening to disfigure a woman in order to make he'll quit wolf so crazy booking walk me through it not a fan. Not a fan of didn't like it It's it's interesting it. You're the guy that's critiquing this match your reading from says what a great match. This is when they talk about all. Gosh what a great match rueda. Baba had back in nineteen seventy three or whatever It's it's it's not it's a. It's a hard core garbage match With a lot of gimmicks The story of of mick sane. I quit is good story. Getting all man. I'm getting old crotchety. I'm not a fan of this stuff. I don't i just don't think you need that much gore and in crap i really don't i'm not a not a big fan of it. Men wasn't a fan of it at this point. Didn't need all that. No i get that. I i know. A lot of fans are turned off by the violence. That's here but it is I mean. I don't know that you could really do this. Foley style story without some of this violence could you. What would you have done differently. Oh yeah i think you definitely could have. It's just how you tell the story in there's other ways to do it Without all the gore. It's a matter of taste. It's a matter of taste and it's a matter of of what what you like. And i think that more people probably turned off by it. Then go going. Oh hey yeah. Gosh i wanna see more tax and barbed wire the face Again some people like you know chocolate ice cream. Some people like Strawberry shortcake how was flare with this violence. You know in terms of the bar in the thumb tacks. This is not what most people associate with the nature. Boy style but here he is was. He hasn't to to this something like this. I don't think rip hesitant. Rick did it But i again. I've just sit there dumbfounded. Oh this was a great match. This was excellent. I probably because it had two of his favourite people that call them all the time and tell them how great they are That that's why he liked the match. Because you look at what made rick flair great was ric flair's matches and his work is in ring work. Not his his gore and in the use of other things to dress it up and you know to my favorite people mick foley and ric flair. And i've told mick this before us. Like i am and i get it and i think mick. Foley's one of the greatest workers ever while greatest talents businesses ever had and an extremely intelligent bright guy mc mc likes one thing i like something else so to each his own for me not crazy about how was rick after the match. Where rick and foley on good terms did they let by. I mean i know these days. They're fine they're professional. Yeah professionals what they were. Do you remember who would have been the agent who would help. Come up with the only way. We're going to get fully equipped as if he threatens to hurt melena. Oh i have no idea none at all. What do you think about that creative in and of itself. but that's what gets it done. That foley can't be beat and he won't quit but that's that's the line. I think it was kind of low class. I didn't like it okay. Did take it. Take it to that extreme. I didn't think needed to do that. What advanced think of a matlock that with all the violence. I would have to believe that he would probably air on air on the side of pretty much. What i just would. I just aired on Maybe liked it. But i don't see him look into that go. Oh yeah. that's that's awesome gig. You're something to wrestle. Gear at. Bruce prichard dot com and check out. Box dot com. The officials something to wrestle store where you can find gimmicks for yourself or the fan in your life you items added weekly a real quick wanna remind you to check out. Conrad reviews dot com. If you think what. 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They were Shooting a commercial for this very show right or was it royal rumble when something broke out in real life. Do you remember the details. I i wasn't there. All i remember hearing about is that You know there have been some tension between booker and batista for quite some time. And for whatever reason and They got to a commercial shoot and words were exchanged back and forth. And knowing you know booker the way that i know i think as booker says he'd rather fight than do pretty much anything else And dave being guy you know also the time kinda. Your fancied himself said he'd he'd like to fight and from those that were there. It was kind of words exchange. They walked out to the side of the house and Led to start a fight. Neither locked up at some point for people were in between them but You know both guys came back. I don't remember marks anybody so it wanna eat. you know. it's it's one of those silly stupid things of you hate fuck you fuck you. Oh yeah let's go. Yeah and you go and then everybody's in between and then you realize god damn thank god. Everybody was in between us. Won't fight this guy. You know what. I mean well and in fairness it's probably less about the other guy and more about I'm sleepy i'm stressed. i'm tired. The travel is no joe. Tell you a story about what happened yesterday. To just in general of to do to give you that. That example of. I did something that i probably shouldn't have done but i was just so pissed the i was like okay. Fine you're saying that's an example you can't give on the air. I mean i had trouble you know. I spend a lot of money on on some suits made on this story. And i you know better than anyone. The amount of time that. I have known you nothing for myself. None so i actually had a window of time last night during the window of time that you told me you couldn't record. Yes some like guam. I'm going to get my shit and get the final fifty so go get final fitting now. Imagine this magic ordering seven. Custom made suits in imagine going to put on the first one looks. Beautiful man was gorgeous. And i put it up. He made those kind of fast too by the way. Yeah and they made him in like Three and a half weeks for weeks. That's pretty good. Made made them row. Fascia and Man jacket was canes jacket is like i was timing. Oh man and i'm like getting on what the talk show the gas a. Hey man. I said this. Sitting close to fittings. Oh wow goes up. We'll let me where is it not fit sir. I'm just looking at it. Like arbs and everything in the shoulders and chest all just clinging to me. It doesn't fit anywhere. He starts like the shitty goes. I i i. I don't even think we can fix this. We'd have to just do complete new suit. Shit yeah smell they. Can you know what you could fuck up a suit. Yeah we'll maximum. We'll go to the next next next same than fit same cut of the first one now. You went from half haas's to three quarters. Oh yeah so. Then he says to me but because the pants fit okay. I said the waste does wrestling. Shit fucking narrow leg and the fucking leg cut all wrong and blah blah blah on the fuck us this is just like a reorder i just got new fabrics new stuff. All no need to remeasure. I'm still wearing the suits from the last time you made them for. I'm in the system. Just do last time. Yeah right so some change because that's just so fits perfectly so go to the third one denver now pissed now fucking taken him and i'm throwing down and put the other ones all on trying them on and throwing them down and like this. I'm livid and like three more people come in the store and this guy's going off and helping them to so clear to you've already paid this Out paid this. Yes brought millions of dollars right. Yeah so i'm limited. And so i'm sitting there and i'm standing up there and wait to talk to him and he's waiting on other people and so finally i walk up. Hey man oh and he tells me that that they have to be you gotta start from scratch as maybe we should remeasure. You know maybe you should follow the measurements from the stuff that i got last time. And that was made off measurements. I got the time before that all shit still fits me well So he's he's sitting there. There's two customer sees waiting on the third waiting there. Just i went out. But i said hey man you're sister in the back you call me when you get this shit straight and then i've got to thinking about it. Why do i want to go through this again. Yeah why and so i. Yeah i i. Yeah i was a little pissed off so i just called the credit card company. I said hey man. I paid for this again. It custom custom clothing. If there's nothing you can do about it then you know we can do about it. But i don't wanna deal with them so calm. Some pests sleepy tired stress irritable. And i just took seven brand suits. That didn't fit the left on the floor in changing room. How do you do that. And you got your money back now yet. But i've i've made the claim. Yes and no one in. No one is called me yet. Data and called me. Well like no. you don't need to make new ones. i just let's cut our losses here. Kid yeah nakai these. The ones you made are useless. Yeah to everyone. yes for them on the rack. And maybe somebody'll by maybe somebody'll some fat guy you know gorgeous shoulders will come in. Well they'd have to be a little less fat than you because he said it was canes jacket actually see. That's a god damn good point conrad skinny guy skinny legs too. Yeah but he's got he's got a bigger waste but skinny legs and and he needs to have an upper body. Like cain actually. I wonder if cain shoulders would be fitting their big out. What happens when you got to carry all that around so my summer. Five batista booker t. Gusto de hugh ten and a half minutes. Booker's going to retain the world title because d q nelson would say virtually everyone i spoke with after the match internally spoke pretty openly regarding batista's work here he was slow moving and tentative with none of the explosiveness he used to have the finish saw booker use a missile dropkick in a book end. But the missed acts kick tcu's the jackhammer in a full nelson drop until sharmila jumped on him for the title. Saving hugh fans didn't like the match and hated the finish worse half a star. Did you feel like returning from his surgery. That batista had lost a step or was it. Just something with him and booker. Who just they just didn't click. No i think dave was a little tentative. You know coming back and getting his ring legs under again. So i didn't think the match was good at all. I think both guys were trying to you know. Make sure that took care. Dave and that's how it was. Sometimes it happens and sometimes you guys just don't necessarily click and i don't think the booker batiste clicked on this night at all i. It's it's weird to look at these and think about the real life issues playing out on camera you know you got flair and foley and then batista and king booker but contrast with what we've got coming up next sean. Hunter are going to take on. Vince and shane mcmahon. This feels like vincent his three sons. Now if you don't like this your grace thirteen minutes and two seconds meltzer say. The whole thing took a lot longer vincent. Shane sent the spirit squad to the ring. They were beaten down in seconds complete with triple h giving johnny pedigree timeout out right there in hindsight spirit squad a good idea. I think that it would have been a great idea. Frankly if the guys did embraced it more really gotten into it from day. One i think that Jeeter in don't probably to that that were most into it. I don't know i. I know that you know net. Canada did his thing nichols great and was looking at it as an opportunity to work out. Something else yeah but You know and Would you would you mondo was mondo. But i don't know the mondo was ever gonna be a top guy wasn't a bad idea wasn't worth a try. I think it was definitely worth a try. I think that avenue cheerleader group. The kick ass yeah. That'd be pretty cool. I would hate them. I hate the fucking cheerleaders on but of when the guys do. The girls cheers la. It just drives me nuts. I don't know their incredible athletes better athletes and some of the guys on the field. I don't know why. I just don't like it you actually. I do know why they're probably getting all the girls that pisses me off their better. Look in the athletic. And they get all the girls hate a by the same metric. You hate all wrestlers then to right. Because they're better looking than you and they get all the better look in the me names on the nar. oh god ric flair Mick foley edge johnson. None of them are better looking man better looking all you think you're better looking than edge and require sorta. Oh yeah okay. Yeah you telling me rick layers. Better look in the. May i feel i can give me a break i feel like ric flair snows our comparing noses. Now looks you compare looks. I'm just saying this knows i say. Yeah isn't it straight. i wouldn't go so far. Sell that straight. I guess it's a straight nose. Yeah you can get that we might need to. Is that the one that brought fucked up for he was on another knows. It's the same knows. Okay we talking about just trying to get you engaged. Haven't gay a really. Yes you get a late talking down there to pop the question are you're going to find out when you're here. I do have something pretty awesome for you. Yeah i've had it for months. And it's been and safekeeping okay anyway Vincit kennedy and regal and finley out but triple h lays out all three of them then vinson's in big show show does the cobra clutch backbreaker on michael's thing gave triple h a choke slam through the e. Cw nounce table at this point vincent. Shane hit the ring. The bell sounds to start the match. Vince and shane do the demolition finish on shawn michaels followed by the heart attack. Complete with vincent. Shane walking around the ring like their bread heart and finally they do the road. Warriors doomsday device Ross said he could. He knew that off will be turning over in his grave. Michael's kicks out anyway. Makes a small comeback and then hot tags a now recovered triple h back in. But that brings you maga out. And he gives triple h the samoan spike but kane chases who maga away and out aaa h kicks out of the pin. Shane goes up to the top and put the garbage can in front of triple h face. He's teasing he's going to do the van taylor van terminator but as he comes off shawn had some with the super kick in mid air and aaa giants vince with a garbage. Can sean super kicks vans. Triple h hits the pedigree in the pen and meltzer would say good match for what it was three and a quarter stars lot guy lots gaga so much but listen right in the middle of this. Well they start breaking out demolition heart attack and the road warriors doomsday device. That shit was awesome. Dude yeah it was fun and i again for what it was. It was this was a gaga match. So for what it was it was it was fun. It was fine now again. A big fan of garbage cans and shit like that but the rest of it was good. How was vince on a show. Like this where he's gotta wear. Two hats is going to quote unquote run the show and be backstage and do all of his stuff but he's also performing i think more than anything. It's kind of the opposite. He's he's doing all of his stuff and he's concentrating on his match and he lets us run everything else. He's still involved but not not to the extent that he would be if he wasn't and that's usually what bothered him. He likes to be involved in everything. Jump into it We've got one more match. I guess before we get to it Is there any. Is anybody raising their hand. And saying hey are we doing too much here. When we've got who maga and we've got a big show we've got candidy and regal and finley and i mean it's the x. Versus the world feels a little bit like uncensored back in the day where hogan and savage wrestled every he'll on the wcw side of things. Yeah i do think. I do think that there was A lot of guys gone too much in sometimes when you you give them gaga. That's what they expect after a while they were ready for this. But i'm asking from the the guys in the locker room. Is there a concern that. Hey we're we're getting dx over but they're already over there owner sean. But it's at the expense of. I dunno dozen other motherfuckers off. It's at the expense of them but yeah. I don't think that you need it all that it was. You know just got to stack the deck and in this particular situation. Don't know that you needed to stack the deck. Let's let's talk about the main event. It's time were finally here. John cena an edge. Did you feel like this was the rightful main event at this time. Obviously john cena is the man in. Wwe but was it his time or did this feel like we have other big stars on the card and blah blah blah data johnston. It was it was the show was was all about him so it made a lot of sense and absolutely. Let's start. what do you think of the match. You know. the match hits How long for fifteen minutes. Forty one seconds. The rules of the story here are that edge would win the title Or edge would lose the title rather if he gets disqualified so edges coming in as the champ johnson is still chasing but the story is seen as booed and this may be one of the first times that we saw some of the regurgitation of johnson and from the fan base. What are you remember thinking when this going down jobs being booed and a lot of places and this was around the time the lot of people were suggesting turning john he'll and i don't know that that was necessarily obviously it wasn't something that we did but it was something that people felt we needed to do and in his hometown. I just found it interesting. That kind of solidified but booed or cheered. They cared about sina no argument for me. They're caring about sina. The match has a story here. leader is going to keep trying to interfere. Edge is going to scream for her not to because he doesn't want to be cost title meltzer would say it was the best match on the show. Edge is gonna use the education. Santa comes back hits the s. t. f. u. but edge makes the ropes laid hands edge the knox but seeing the ducks the shot and gets right up and hits edge for the few. This time leader does interfere. She ran into seena gets on his shoulders He threw a leadoff. She took the. You bump edge escaped. The ref was looking at leader. Ed use the knocks on cena and pins him to keep the title so a lot of interference. But it is a good story. Because of the whole angle. What'd you think of that. That if he tries to cheat and he gets disqualified even that could cost him. The title was excellent. Nice little at the match used the everything about it was used excellent so it was a pretty good story and they got all the way through it and told a great story and tremendous. Finish what you think of the show overall. I mean i think a lot of people were probably asking. 'cause i think this is the maybe the first evidence of a crowd turning on saint. At least that could find. But i i think a lot of people probably assume scene was gonna win and then maybe edgewood win in toronto. The next month says they're sort in each other hometowns but him being booed here. I don't know does this where everybody off backstage. No not really. I think that you were feeling it. There was a groundswell everywhere. We went live events and tv. You were feeling it. The audiences all over the country had the same reaction and really kind of getting behind buoy. John so we knew it was coming thought in boston. The the the Not so much so this crazy. But it's time. I think we were ready for it. Let's get to some questions. Instagram wrestling story and says johnson should have won the title back here and then lost it back to edge and unforgiven instead. Can you change my mind. I think conventional booking sense. That's probably right. You want to send the fans home in summer slam and let john win and his hometown and then let edge cheat to win back in his hometown. But you win a different way. Can you explain why that was a better way because it was the best way to go. It's time for the story. John not being successful in john. Having to chase tight a little more. Michael mcclanahan says given johnson is popularity. Has wb ever considered running. Pay per view at gillette stadium. Yeah we actually spoke to. Joe craft that at one point and not wrestlemainia but I think you doing a show in the middle of the summer. Like july event It just you know it didn't work out and would have been great because with all the northeast fans. It's a hell of a facility. I don't know joe kraft. Did you mean robert kraft. I met robert kraft. Joe joe craft is no joe. Craft is is an old salesman that i used to work with many many years ago when a movie company and on new him. How can i forget him. The salesman at the moving company. Yeah yeah silly stupid. John canton says there was a huge fan or there was a fan with a huge hogan. Tatty one is back. And after hawks max he slapped it. My question is if the guy had a brother. Love's tattoo like that would bruce of slapped it hard hitting question brother journalism this fan. Who had this big full-back tat hulk hogan did go a little viral for a minute back before. That was probably even the word. Did you see that tattoo. Close what did you think of that. Yeah tremendous remember. We had the guy that has tattoos on. Yeah restless so. I slept that Do what are we doing next week. County i gotta go. I got people waiting on me. I ain't got time for this. I gotta go. i got. I got things to do. I told you exactly anyway. I'm taking up time. No we're done. we're finishing up. Don't get hot. Why are you fired up here walkers up next and you know what's coming our. Oh you wanna guess no. I don't buddy. We have like a whole schedule that shared. You can just look at it anytime you know that right. Yeah but i would have to find it. Intimate goes into my junk felder next week. It's bam bam bigelow. What do you think we might be talking about. When we talk about the bammer next week bam bam to talk about the quest for manager for bam bam. How came across oliver hunting for one after that and lawrence taylor of course lawrence taylor after that. We'll be talking about greg. The hammer valentine on the seventeenth. We'll be hitting all things unforgiven two thousand six and maybe the show. I'm looking forward to the most in september in your house. Ten mind games. One of the more underrated pay per view. Main events from the in your house air. Would you agree wholeheartedly. Would well great. We appreciate your insight. Thanks for carbon off a few minutes for us Get back to agreed with everything. We'll see next week worse. You rock on c. Next week right here. On something. 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Turnbuckle Tabloid-Episode 206

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Turnbuckle Tabloid-Episode 206

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Listen i would've. I appreciate it if you've sat there and voted on our polls. Jesus us and i'm gonna. I'm gonna i'm gonna share it one more time i'm gonna reshare them and Please do otaly. People have another faint of heart. Change of heart. Yeah that'd be there. If not then guess what the winner gets gets with the winner every single awards in a be the worst person on that list. Because if you go fuck yourself terrible human beings terrible terrible human beings be so let's do. Tlc review. i what we got on that and much by the way Mixed reviews by many individuals and the landscape. But i must tell you that. A lot of people was more heavy on liking not liking it. What's your thoughts if you were if you were going into. Tlc saying. I just want to focus on the tlc matches. You had a five star night. Those those tlc matches were absolutely fantastic. Fantastic top to bottom. We witnessed a murder. Which i guess it all honesty like the second that defeating died or quote unquote a burned alive. I automatically said well going on slick sick mentally thought to myself. Oh tna killed killed swinger and now we kill the. They're no different. Yeah yeah like. We gave impact shift for killing someone on tv. Basically w w d did it. Which i'm not mad at i am i i. I'll i'll i'll get to the event in a minute but let's just start off with drew mcintyre and aj styles. I was so entertained and read. I'm gonna ask you this question and bring it to you with this a few weeks ago. Maybe a month ago you went on the show and said that since we have not seen a superstar caliber newcomer Wwe like a john cena batista like like like the next era of superstars right in a very long time is drew mcintyre really is he is he pleading a case man because for me he really is and and the fact that regardless of money in the bank contract cash in which they easily could them is cheap win there. I think vince is full. Speed ahead with this dude. I think he is. I think he's getting there as the face of this generation role i really do. They continue with this. I see drew in that conversation as the next batista or johnson. I really do and imagine here with a crowd. It's all get better from here. Well well this was hiring him years ago so we already knew that. I think he's in the bosses hand. Yeah and. I also think that vince is going to be. I told you guys. Drew mcintyre was the chosen one. Like knows what he's talking about but Until you fucking got rid of him and then you know what But you know. What though honestly bro. Like i would be mad if if it was his choice in the guy sucked but drew. I think drew without. Vincent approval is even these killing it. Though that match was outstanding the spots were fucking dangerous. I dunno if vince told them to pick up their shit and fucking do whatever the fuck they want. But i i saw i saw a true. Tlc match on both are both brands that that night. What a what. Another thing that comes up guys are going to call in three one five three seven one four three six seven three one five three seven one four three six seven. But yeah. we're going to let you guys know we all time restraints. Because like i said you boys having a conversation with a another podcast coming up soon so we gotta do this. As quickly as i can but Yeah pretty much honestly. Natalie was drew and aj plus drew sold injury. You know what read i. I have to wait for tonight because drew always sells injured and every pay per view in a magically goes away on ross better live today he better limp tonight not People were not happy that Looking for dash thank you my guy metabolite more like sexy hump tabloid want. Give me heart your full. Eight and music The best part about it which everybody like. What a waste of money in the bank. Fuck you mass cashing in was fucking awesome man. Awesome and you know what anybody who catches in automatically has to win no way. According to my calculations the past past live money in the bank people winds this news to you. Everybody oh shit. Greg greg calculations when i was jerking off last night at tlc four of which is true. Fact jokes aside. Four of the five past money in the bank winners have failed their cashing. But that's what makes it great. Because you agree. And vince realized that vince was like you know what we need. Change this up. We need to make you fucking lose to make this shit matter when we cash in because now instead of us knowing they're going to win we're on our feet. I i thought. I thought it worked perfectly it hit but yeah but the match was great. The one negative. I have to say is Let's see how. Can i say this without sound. Like a decay chair break on the did the security guys back on it. But that's that's gimmick that was done purposely. No i understand. That's the point. Why i'm pissed. I'm sorry but we've seen chairs being hit by the we've seen big show here with share. We've seen great khali hit with a check. Nets never happened but this guy is shattered into a million pieces of a puzzle. Are you fucking kidding. Me but yes. That's that's gimmick. Because they want to sell that guy's powerhouse open. Like i look at the big show and i'm like dishes break on you. I mean listen bent bent but it collapsed like a fucking like a fucking broken toy like way broken five pieces. I mean i'm okay with that. I'm not i'm not too upset with it. I just fucking. I started dying watching that. Should i was like. Oh my god really just fine with that. What else what else. Jewish tain and. That was a great fucking match. Drew i think is the next is a superstar tabloid news. This old you going. What's up slow y'all To to new like six hundred nine your friend but take away the one. Ooh that sounds. That sounds like my cup of tea. That would be that. Would that would be a little difficult if we were not in the same room. God dammit what is. But i think we're going to sixty six ninety six hundred digitally if you're going to go on the if you're going to pick a wrestler go against for three minutes. Who are you picking. I know exactly who i'm picking. Who you pigeon. I'm going with the best that ever did it. I'm going with duane gill. I'm going with ginsberg gil berg. You don't wanna go shopping ramos. Berio why would i want to go at ramos starmer go. I'm going to go with colegio. You've got the most similar trait of the human spider leader. Gylfi moving around. I think that's a great pick. I would have went with ricochet. You said that man. I'm gonna go with i'm going to go with an og league. Coastal man himself. I his focus is is brought to you by pornhub because apparently we're going to be Six one nine without the one soon. The t. by pornhub where we remove six million videos this past week. Let's go know what's going. What's your name tragedy shaimaa i. I'm i'm gonna try to the meat anymore. Oh that's what i know. There's a plethora of you're always go to Dot com Vx s christian. Mingle christian mingle. You could always beach to that on. Laura videos recommend by them There's one with just christian girl who having sex with his jewish guy with the curls has it's outstanding awesome Video player local. When religious collide. That's what it's called religious experience. Thank you for calling in and please please please always chime in when you can tablet goes live and thank you for your call record court. Fm got scott. What's next Sasha banks of course retained against carmella told you but it wasn't a roll up by submission. I'll be honest. A million bucks. She really does like i. You can just tell. I know michael cole said as as corny as it sounds he. She looks confident is for. She's playing her character right and it wasn't a bad match. It really wasn't. I think it was. I did just bothers me. Now that they beaten up them faces really bad with the makeup. Don't killing me with that shit. Yeah i don't know. Sasha looks like Two different fucking colors of skin unfortunately us. Oh yeah a little bit little bit. Says she's looking like less of a smurfs. I guess what i mean i guess it carmelo's balloting female. She does not woman. But i don't know that. Looks like they're superimposing. Her face was some shit is champion. Vince thinks make our champion looked like a princess. She's kind of looking like the sexiest frugal. Rot character. i don't know how that show match was a bad. I wasn't upset with the finish I was wearing this corey graves. Go over big. If a carmelo one. I wanna see how he would watch relationship on tv. I think yeah. I think that it's it's one eight he sells. it doesn't sell it sell. It doesn't sell it like he's on the fence with it. He tongue-in-cheek with it but asks for carmelo herself as a worker. No body cannot say that she can't as she has an elevator in a pass in the past couple of weeks her or wrestling know what happened. That carmella has been able to elevate yourself as a wrestling past couple of weeks. She's looking good man. Yeah and we had to return of charlotte flare which Everyone was expecting which by the way. the highlight merv. Return is a The obvious that she took out her breast implants. Buddy knows nobody cares about ricin. Mrs less sexy without big tits. I'd have i. I was more worried about how man fucking vagina i just for me. I'm just kind of not looking forward to ask charlotte facing again. I know we're going to get that it's like we've seen that who gave the tag team titles to another team. Who's doing what they former holders were doing. The fuck are we doing here. The better the better look would have been given the attacking titles to attack team. That you're trying to elevate not this. Oh maybe dana brooklyn mandy. Rose something like that. I mean you've tried to put them over right. Not this not least come on i. I know what it is. It's vince wanting to minimize the women's segments on the show. And if he thinks was. Put the fucking belts on built both belts on oscar. We kill two birds with one stone. I i well. They won again. Ventures not want to women segments looking. Okay chris find. Sasha is sexy. Okay all right. He's all right but she still looks like her face. Getting beat up with fucking with tons of a contour fucking cover up it. Which by the way. I have the breaking. I have the honour to give you a one sentence. Review of sasha banks is acting on the mandalorian spoiler free. I'll give it to you right now. Gimme a drum roll. Wherever fucking socks. She's walking terrible. Yoed my god a debtor off star wars now next then we had we had of course her business the tag titles which is coming from a mile away. They want her business as the faces of raw in terms of. Give them all the goal. That's the that was the plan. And the match. I didn't care for i mean did you enjoy. I believe care. I did and have much champion. And what came after it actually was more impactful for when we saw some benjamin dedicate the mats to shot gas bore yet. He ran to shed. Gas part is house and fucking celebrated with his son. And i actually when i saw that i actually. My hair's was standing front. That was actually a beautiful thing. Man he knows that you shouldn't share on social media but in this case i thought it was a beautiful thing to do man and Match ever really good match. I i really thought it was solid. I really i'm i'm not i'm not much of a fan with this Cedric kinda wants to be bigger than the group kind of thing. I do because one day. Every piece in the humble his ass turned into not everyone going to humble. You your brownie. Yoed iron sheik literally tweeted about the jets winning yesterday. That's how bad the jets are anyway. I don't wanna be off topic but Yeah her business with all. The gold is awesome Like i said. I like to sedgwick. It's a it's a. I think it's a sets needed. Because i think his character development any to show that he's development days in a out of that her business mold not now not anytime soon because he just won the tag belts when the time is up with the times ready. This time is up his thomas now now. Cedric alexander it's all right kevin owens in which while while while another fucking amazing. Tlc match. i'll tell you i'll tell you. We usually make fun of. Wwe for not taking advantage of their stipulation matches in terms of like for instance like they give us a tables match and no one goes table. This time around. They used tlc to the max about. We thought about this. Because i'll be honest i didn't. I knew kevin owens had zero chance of winning but there were a few times right sat there and went. They're to give them the bill he might win. And that that's the key of fucking match. That's how you book a wrestling match. Because listen. the curtains been pulled for a long time. Now we kind of know when the belt's gonna change hands at this point but you still want to realize they did that very well. Well then i also like the fact that they Very well that they donate a place. Jails as a key element to the match Times though to be honest with you he not not in my perspective. A cop block of the fucking amazing match what he was supposed to do. But the other thing is you gave that s as well in certain spots at roman was able to be taken out the spot where he speared through the barricade the table spot show. It wasn't like fucking having brock leonard. He's under you know he's unbeatable some shit like that. It's shown that there was kings armor that he can be beaten hopefully on friday or A friday after on smackdown where we get a story from kevin seen. I almost had you right there. You're happen right right the. Nfl already announced a steel cage match between the two aunts for smackdown a sickly. My man jay also alone. I hear code is fire. He looks he. Looks more like Case seven foam. Tk only on spanish eighties. Freestyle motherfuckers went ownership. Next guy said jay. Jerusalem went full force in house party to live rematch woman. Retained roman is a fucking a manage. This is what. I was watching the match and i was like this is exactly what we wanted from roman. Exactly this is where it's supposed to be exact. They're doing roman the way that we've been begging to do roman for years raw and uncut yummy and finally we have on pornhub roman role. In exactly the fire a two-match we had the firefly inferno match. And the first thing that came to my mind when the fire popped up was reds going to hate this and to be honest with you because it wasn't on the ropes because it looked like on the that's why that's what i thought. Oh no and to be honest with you. I was not i i like the i like the first thing i already knew what i saw was like. This is prerecorded already knew. This was confirmed which is fine. But which is actually really cool. Because you still. You still had defense on the sound. I wonder i wonder who hit the fans up and said hey listen so. We're doing this one match at two o'clock in the afternoon available if i hit up rich or something like that. They probably had like these other those spoilers. Vip mooks that or the fact that when you when you use them when you when you. Because you know you've been on before there's a disclaimer that you could use your image whenever they want so they probably would have sat to address us. countless fucking loops of of different people. They just flipping which regardless of that. It's fucking it was fine. Jails who is louder than love. Yeah pretty much. He came became. Maybe maybe come come For me the match itself. I thought was almost if you wanted to get into the semantics of the fien. Come off as this monster predator kind of guy perfect elements in a match. 'cause i paid attention to what he did the little nuances of wit of what he did. Like for instance when he tried to light randy on fire with the with the on the The rocking chair rally dante when he when when randy moves you heard him live and he walked past a rocking chair and like what his hand with his fingers. He just flicked the rocking chair. Yeah i saw that. Yeah he was like does little nuances. Make things work for the character. I and i love defeat but oh what what. What are the aspects of massachu-. Did you enjoy. That should was That she was fucking really fun. Man the fiend. It kind of reminded me of I don't this is not in a bad way. But it reminded me of a halloween friday the thirteenth kind of movie. Where it's like like you said the fiend touch the rocking chair. Nothing happened like you didn't get burned. He touched like the new one at the slight things. The details mattered in this match. The fiend little untouchable in the beginning. He laughed at everything. The randy was doing as expected of the second. I saw the fiends. Keep that leather jacket on. I was like this do is getting tonight. It's of tell when you see that though But people are making fun on a dummy at the end of this promise. The review of chelsea trump is now going to do is cutting promos where we're going to do We'll do it afterwards. Worry about cutting a promo. This know who the fuck this is. It'd be that was going on. Let upper listen you know. You can be very judgmental when it comes to wrestling. You have your very opinionated and you have your arm say qua- when it comes to how wrestling and it correlates to the fan of these days your thoughts about this Firefly funhouse Burning embers match. It was honestly a great match. My only complaints so like i was like I thought that. Wwe's supposed to be more family friendly now and they set motherfuckers on fire earlier this year. The stipulation was other formats with. Take them on the fuck out. I mean come on again. Matt the past. I have one one one question. My comment was i was actually surprised. That the fiend didn't set himself on fire. That would have been No i'm lose on purpose that we're not at all when when he got when he caught fire and he kept moving down. That was going to happen right. But after the ending my question is how long they go freddy krueger as motherfucker before he comes back from the bid but you know what s probably the fucking idea of it because what we saw after Tlc one off the hour later. Bray wyatt puts up a pulse. Where it says thank you. And it's an image of a cocoon meaning that guy's going to be in a chrysalis and may might be new reinvention of the feet so or something else so that data that's four esto. My opinion I think they live. Say i wasn't. I truly think that they could easily sell it reappear. Not necessarily as the fee if they don't want to spend any more but in like a boiler room flames and shit. I mean that could work. But i mean it has to be done because the only person that really dealing with his creativity is bray wyatt right. Now ain't nobody fucking him. 'cause listen his merchants selling off. The fucking shelves is is probably number two number one on the fucking reshot right now so whatever the fuck he's doing they're they're letting him do over. Funky wants so. If that's going to be the way he wants to go or he finds something that he could go up the off of tv for men. But i'll be back there. Let them do it. But other than that. I think that Befallen go What's your what's your thoughts about the next move randy it again. I said what's your next. What the next. Move for randy. That's a good question. Because i was always wondering like how come every time they put randy against like a quote unquote monster is randy. That does some outlandish monstrous shit not the actual monster. But his next move would probably be the try to get back into the Championship picture 'cause you know the fien costume that right. I mean that would be the sensible thing. But who else are you gonna feel with. We'll talk about it when it was hang up with you but sir thanks for calling role as an thank you for supporting here at tabloid and rage works for lyft owned day every day boys for life. Happy holidays arrange works. In all my boys youtube family love mook move. So so what about that thought about him. Engulfing himself inflate self out. I will get that I i i wanted to say was I do think the fiend will reinvent as a more mature. I know he already looks mature. But i really do think go to next level year I mean last night. If last night wasn't a clue to you they're going in a more mature Mature fucking avenue That's what i got shooting. That's what i got from last night. So if you're telling me the fiend is dead. And he did a cocoon. I think we're i think we're gonna get a maybe more gore more blood. Maybe an next step the next fiends got to be something more fucking extreme so i think somebody somebody pulled into a side when someone puts us. I let me rephrase that. I think he already had ideas what to do when it came to the development of his characters and i think that when the the the premise of thought of was the is out the door. We're going to need that mistake. Kind of entity that gimmick in debt he was the next the next full to come in And i think the reinventing himself is not only creative on his end because he he he saw when it happened with With undertaker he was also very close to jake early on and jake taught him the ways of how to cafes his promos and such but i also think that he went to the and people might dispute but i think he went. Away of cody rhodes as well. Because remember when cody was. Wwe is all about reinvention. New gimmicks new looks and code even stated in an interview. He says listen. I reinvent myself. It's another toy on the line. A more money coming my way hundred percent so never not reinvent yourself right so i think this is an avenue that helps them out greatly and if he goes away for a couple weeks and everybody goes this feature have the championship. Each of the belt isn't need it undertake only do your history bra undertake. Didn't have the bell. He's not even in double digits with the belt. Yep it's all about the presence. The gimmick the work the need for that wrestler to be there. We really know that we already know that bray. Wyatt is a solid wrestler. We know that already. We've seen him do it as grey why we've seen him do it in an x t see them doing w hell when he was husky harris. He was fucking solid wrestler. Now it's about the allegation of bringing him to superstardom. Now my question to you. My my fairweather young friend. Who's lost all this weight. Who maybe my Heterosexual life mehta. Who may leave me for the next broad. That comes his way sky. These feelings that. I have this deep deep inside night. What's the next move for randy I think randy goes back to being alleged killer and i think he will get into a storyline with uh if he might go back withdrew in all honesty. I might win the belt I tell you i. I don't know i don't know rabbi broadway day definitely includes Something with the the legend or something with winning the belt back because if the rumors are true. And you're telling me that his randy and and edge at wrestlemainia room was coming right around the corner. So i think we're gonna get randy. Andrew remove rain is going to win there. And i think it's gonna win the royal rumble there and i think that's that's the that's that's the that's the next step and Before we close it out because we're gonna finish guttering a promo but we're gonna do it off the my Off the camera. Because i gotta jump off to do something else. And then i'll hit a bow skin. You guys book download a streaming episodes. Mammoth fuck is wrong with mant shit but the one thing i have to tell you guys is is it true and i gonna to ask you. Oh ski is it true that with Usa is asking nbc. Networks are asking are w we do you think royal rumble will be the master reset where possibly randy and edge would be the big pay low to wrestlemainia. Yeah absolutely i mean listen. I don't expect anything less than some sort of change right now. Usa pissed off and when when your tv providers pissed off on your backing his pissed off. You've got to do something. There's a difference. There's a difference between workers in the back being pissed off in your fucking backer being pissed off. That's like you. Rage works is pissed at us. We gotta make some changes right. That's just how it has to go. So i think we're be the royal rumble will be the beginning of some sort of more more of a mature avenue. I think we're i think we're definitely going to see some mature a program program soon and If listen everyone. Everyone's mad about being radio legend. I'm i'm all for it two year long story in the making in give edge the belt more before he fucking retires man and you know what we'll do when he has that built he'll put a young dude over and make an lose to that young star so all right guys close out this part of cutting a promo. We got more coming online and the episode but for the livestream we gotta go. Check you guys later. On and make sure that you check tabloid pocketing outlets as well as an older facebook outlets and then we got to I shouldn't do and matt. i'll hit you up later. No problem later guys cutting a promo this week. Ladies and gentlemen is actually about promos. all ski Brought to my attention. He saw an article. This week is we should talk about. What was it that drew your attention to do kind promo about this well For for me I think people are forgetting the importance of of not. Just they're entering. Work your promo working. Jonathan coachman Perfectly this week on twitter Jonathan coachman said and i quote talent is scared to death. They will get in trouble if they changed. One word of a promo. You think the rock or stone. Cold steve austin took a promo from twenty-three-year-old writer in said yup. I will do this word for word. No they didn't if you can't talk you have no shot of getting over as tech practice now before we get into. What initial reaction of that tweet. He's exactly correct but the thing about that. Is you gotta come to understand that. There is a skill when it comes to speaking. The art of the linguistic doesn't come naturally for alana people not or noah. And you said this last week there's two two two of the world's biggest fears death and talking in front of an audience. And i think talking in front of an audience has become number one. It's it's it's puzzle wrestling late with the with the with the amount of shit promos we get. I'm assuming yeah you're right. It's it's tough for people to go. That's what you have to pay homage or give some kind of prey so like government officials right to. Who can do that again. If i'm a microphone talk when when you're able to cut promos as shit like that. That's you're basically selling your product. Can now a lot of people can do that. It's hard man. But but i think i think the theme of the pro of the i think the tweet basically meant. Do you really expect to be success in his business. By just going by the book knowing word for word sucking dick per se. No you can't you have to take a risk and to be honest. I think everyone says that the back The backs on eggshells. They shouldn't be. They should be trying to break. The mold should be trying to to wanna to make their own promos surprise events they should. They should be wanting to go that extra mile extra mile. That's don't call the rock hogan did everyone keeps talking about them. Being scared vincent math they go off script. How about you fucking. How about you. How about you fucking What is approved. I confront his bluff. Why don't you fucking why don't you fucking do it. What's the problem with that like. Jonathan coachman has a perfect fucking of perfect theme. Which is if. I'm giving a promo while i put my own spin on it and if i know it's going to be if i know it's going to be good. I don't have to worry about getting fucked impress vince. I'm pretty sure. Vince is desperate as fuck right now. So if you're keith lear. Shameless right and you have an opportunity to have a promos on. Mike tomlin tonight. Why don't you twist it and get and change it up. Why don't you. Why don't you change a few words that were emotion. Why don't you add something your own flavor to it. You're not you're not going to succeed going by the book because as you could clearly tell on this week's raw the writing team sucks. I think what they're afraid of is off for you know. I think they were afraid of. Is someone failing in making them. Look bad and it's a risk but it's a risk that will think it's worth it but you'll see your worthy. Yeah but with them. They don't understand that it A better the talent if they at least get that feeling of doing something off the cuff. It makes makes them better workers. I think i it shows me. If i'm if. I'm fucking randy orton or keith lee. When these guys on law right and they. I see them have trusted me like that. That's a big deal son that trust imagine them like just letting me. Go giving me the free range to do what i want to make. That will boost my ego. That that'll make me more confident in the ring than than than with just fucking greek being given a fucking word by word fucking statement. Let's other promotions who sit and say listen just hit. This bullet point notes notice The subject matter and just go with it awa does that. What about i mean. Romo's name w for good. I'm not saying they're good. They're usually fucking shoot that let 'em they let them let them go. And and that's and i respect that more than hearing bullshit five-star promo whereby that i know is written for them. That's not how you're going to get the best reaction from the audience. It's not going to happen. You guys are wondering what's missing with the promo school. I'll tell you you're missing though the realism. You're missing really. You're you haven't been in years. And i'm waiting for you to change that. There's a roman rome right now. I can say roman reigns is the one who's really mean the most. I think i think he's taking the opportunity that he was given. Paul heyman and i think he's taking what all of us fans said. We wanted him to be absorbed it and is using it. The other thing is that they have realized that you don't kept as man quiet for such a long time that you finally realize that although you don't let him have to speak the volumes of shakespeare but just let him just let them talk. He'll be fine. I think that In wrestling it's like being car salesman. You have to sell the product that you are having to give to the to descend buyer or the said. Purchaser of the product and the product is yourself car car-salesman best motherfuckers. Go sit there and lie to fuck out you lie and tell you bullshit and you'll buy whatever hunker should get but if you're a bad wrestler but you could sell that you're a good wrestler people will will will will cash into it. You know who did that. I don't know Let's see who's a bad wrestler Who was a shitty rest of that but because of their promo working because the cell who who who made them feel like the best giants in the world But see i don't know who fucking suck as a wrestler hogan didn't suck what he did was he was fucking he was What you call it. He was a by slamming a leg. Drop in a handshake. He he worked with what he knew. So what a leg. Drop it. A fucking body slam. But he was the he was the face of the fucking business. Wanna why either vitamins. Brother like that shit. Not his in ring work. He's fucking sucked every match. I seen of hulk hogan brother librado. It's always him getting his ass. Kicked for twenty minutes power up body slam and leg drop dunzo but he was in every main event. He was on every shirt. I wonder why because he took a risk. Any fucking used his promo work and he knew how to bring him in the audience. Edmundo yup and look. The greatest wrestlers. Didn't have great promos. Look at hart bret hart was in a fucking great promo guy. But he can wrestle his ass off and sometimes your body re- promo ultimate warrior. Nanking he's another one he shittiest fucking rain and promos might not understand what the fuck talking about but people were cat debate about his shit but do you think that also warrior in hogan had a word by word statement or you think they said fucking. I'm gonna fucking risk tonight. Am i gonna. I'm gonna fucking put my own flair on this sheet. I think i think it ties into to what we spoke about before where vance wanted to catch up to what sitcoms were but also vince was also afraid of but Rescuers can do because a lot of them weren't really focus on promos focus on getting on and selling their their work and not what the whole total package was right. I think that. I think that became a problem. And it's rare that you guys. I m j f jericho. Mvp it's it's even give shitsu randy barani cuts a fucking promo. He's about a category probably in the ring. Kevin owen sammy zane. It's it's it's a gift when you get somebody that you don't even have to give fucking bullet points. But i just go out there and sell this as it and he'd be like okay but the big part of the business right but you still got to get to the point to where guys when he gets a certain level data. Don't really give a fuck about the promo they don't care this guy fucking being A viral fucking Entity because what he did in the ring like. I'm sorry. But if i'm in if i might not keith lee position or zorro or some of these guys on the on the roster fuck 'em wardlow any of these guys and i'm told i have ten minutes of my time tonight. They're going to have an idea of what you have to say. You're telling me if. I'm not one of those talents. I'm not going to go in the back and make a fucking Make a change to make the best fucking thing possible. I'm not going to risk it. I'm not going to take that risk. I that's where i like like. Why can't we. Why can't guys have balls anymore. Like honestly don't call took risks. The rock took risks. Undertaker took risks. Kurt angle one of the biggest guys who took one of the biggest risks. He became a fucking comedian. And he fuck fucking work. The list goes on and on but they all took risks. You have to make that leap in the business. You have to show vince. That you're your own person is well because you're not going to go anywhere with this bullshit. These writers and when one of the most charismatic individuals. Don't have to really cut promos because you sit there. And just know that they're entities autumn cells. But if you rarely hear you hear them cut a promo and desires. And now i know why they don't cut promos but you get them as real people. It's probably the most prolific that you'll hear and it's unfortunate that you don't cut promos for example i In the beginning of trs. Early on we had amazing. Red on red is not a fucking promo guy kinda promo as he likes but if you've ever heard them have conversations or like he had on the show he he Was on interview. He's a fucking interesting dude. He's he's charismatic. Homicide doesn't really cut promos like that. He knows his strength and his weakness hearing he knows at once he starts a cutting a promo. He's gonna say fuck or something so he doesn't really do it but if you have a conversation he's like holy shit is interesting. Some people are just not built to be on the mike but at least train them. Teach them to have a certain Measures that you don't have to see much to see enough to be able to see you know what i care about seeing more than a great promo one word. I'll tell you effort effort we rocking care. Show me you fucking care. Don't just walk out your shoulders down and that you don't fucking like to be at work tonight. You wanna fuck and go home and eat pork chops. No i want you to fucking walkout with charisma with a sense of. I'm gonna own the mike right now. Like a fucking a rap battle like be rabbit son and fucking own the fucking mike time. You have taken advantage of that ten minutes man. They don't know when you're not you know you never know when you're gonna get moment again to shine funny one that that came to me. It was recent too i was. I was listening to the roses promo on. Are you and i go. That sounds like someone who's trying way to heart she to hold it. Sounds like you're trying way too hard and sometimes and sometimes trying too hard sucks does and people don't understand balance and you know people people will go. I can do a podcast or i could do this. I can do that no you can't. It's one of the best. Compliment is a wrestler. Who came to me like ma you really cut. Promos is like why you never became a manager or anything else. Like i never thought about it. I never really wanted to do that. It's just the ability to talk. Seems like it's a natural thing to do but it really isn't this past this past week Our people's out Quite frankly the house and park. Has they had a former house turned Employees they had a ritchie wilson. Yeah he he was. He worked for for Tower tv and shit. like that. and i'm listening to the conversation the interview if they had and i'm going perfect perfect because it doesn't sound like people are over talking each other does it. Sound like people are trying to dominate. The conversation sounds like a compensation and it sounds like people who are interested in hearing each other side when it comes to promos. Your whole thought process is. I'm want to sell myself. But i don't want to be overselling. Wanna use a verbiage that is going to be overhead. I don't wanna be talking over you or down to you. I wanna talk to you. Even if i'm a he'll i wanna talk to you and i think that gets missing when it comes to a lot of know. I'm kind of interested what the fuck is having. She's in swing. Oh okay Though of raw. I can't i don't have to look at this again. I have to check their No it's not a shop so Like this day and age this day and age. Who's your top tuomo guys right now. Nobody knows now. Honestly got to be up there. M f guy. He has to be a better. I'm jay f I think cody has a good promo. Yay code is a great poem fucked. Cody cody is promo Ethan page a pretty damn good promo for his age and pose a good promo kilom- i think Pat mcafee. there's another one brought us to the level of conversation. Because i house this guy not even a wrestler. But he could. Because that's what people's gifts are even if i'm not a wrestler. I swear. I swear to god that if i went into a middle of the middle of a ring and i had a promo somebody i would be legit solid innings. Oh of course. Yeah yeah you know. I have yet to hear anybody and i know people were hate on us and anything but i've yet anybody to tell me you're not great on my yacht. I i've i've had. I've had promoted anybody not to sign as well because he has a fucking lowly term turnbuckle tabloid bullshit recycling. Podcast that Trying to get in the people say under the breath but when it came to being a legit person pneumonia. But i yeah now you good money but i will tell you that. I've heard i've listened to myself an even known of myself when i do the Diversity commentary what i'm doing i that's not me right. I'm acting and my whole perception will be. Should i do again if i if it. If the the the the attention comes to me to say that yeah you should use you do more commentary. Should i if the calling comes to me to say you should do that again. Should i be meal show. I do the acting guy. I don't know. I have to try that out but promos arnie's what was the most uncomfortable thing. What with you when it came to get on the microphone Just knowing that people are going to be listening in judging. I guess kinda was like all right. We gotta make sure. I sound right. You gotta make sure i. I say i don't see anything fucked up. I've said some shitty things on his show before that was the purpose of the show. I know but like one talk. Really bad i ha. I didn't sit well. You know just knowing that. I'm rick being recorded i i was like a little Little uneasy but i got used to a quick I i just. I just think that if you're signed by a major company like wfan impact like they should be checking that as well. Ray i like. They're missing a part of the inspection. Because they're they're they're bring some of these due to the main roster and it's like okay. He passed the wrestling check. Great in ring worker. Let's go another check. Let's skip right over that How kind of boots do you wear is. Sometimes i feel like they generally skip that fucking process. It's not a big deal anymore. I think promo school is as important as in the ring. It's a fifty fifty for me. You cannot be in this business and succeed without cutting without cutting a promo can't unless you're fucking manager with which okay. That's a better chance you should be able to reliably cut a promo and not have to fucking go through matt riddle shit. Let's get toasting. it's about bringing in the money that's all it's about bringing in the money. That's all our bringing the money right with jonathan coachman to do take a fucking risk. That's that they give you say you know well across this put this. I'm going to be more emotional with this. Used as your workshops on stick to the stick to the idea of what the promos about but do make take a fucking risk. You don't think stone cold you took so many risks. And he is one of the one of the most matinee. What the fuck am this is a commercial. This is real. this is a commercial. It's drew mcintyre vs two thousand and twenty. Oh okay okay is a commercial. Yes i guess i'll go look juice promo auni okay. Okay oh shit way. Get ready for the screen. Irrigation comes out two thousand twenty one. Okay i scared. I was like. Oh my god. I got some shit legit know what comes two thousand and twenty one. Oh there it is sorry sorry q. I don't i swear. I thought it was a match. I got fucking scared. The fuck but The already been motherfucking wrestling cut. A promo is fucking. Santa claus tells review. I can't. I'm not even going to like close out with the whole idea. Who's your best promos of all time because we've had these conversations before what i want my best promo to come in the future. I want i. I want to look forward to amazing. Promos i don't wanna be like. Oh i i work in a year ago promo because we can i i just i just think like i said to close it out for me. I just think that you have to. You have to take what you're given the opportunity you're giving and really joe. Would you have to make your old sick. And i don't know if you heard read you weren't listening because you're doing the interview but i'll tell you another thing that happened on unroll this week. John morrison literally said. I'm gonna punch you with a up. no aj styles was like. Oh my manager want wanted a peanut butter and morrison sandwich. And then ms goes to give you a knuckle sandwich knuckle sandwich and then. Aj styles goes. I'm going to throw you on two pieces of bread fucking and flimflam you around you want me to do that goes i came in. He says he says. I mean sandwich and then finally miserable break them up. Let's let's save it for next week. Because i'm just saying because that's a perfect example. About what the fuck is wrong. Because once again. It's because what the company tells you to. Do you have to told the line. Ap style says peanut butter. Remorse was never the best promo in an impact. But i wanna put sopa. My mouth will listening to that. He's cut he can cut a promo Edge another great fucking promo guy It it's angel has been showing that he's a great promo grind. He's building up tonight. The is the only one hearty that you could really talk of. A promo is probably matt jackson. Bad promos he's only had one two. I think it was doing that. Undertake run that. He cut a genuine promo. Dalwin could be vic flare. One could be seeing pong. No one could be Fucking stone cold or rock. No one can do that at least try. Try something health fucking bray wyatt. I i don't. I don't even remember him cutting up promo owner ring recently but know when he did when he was in the neck seal it was legit. Bray fucking awesome. You made it in his own bill. He invested in his character. Everyone take notes. I want everyone get their notebooks. Out you invest in your character just another question put out there and fucking facebook world and i know nobody's going to respond but any gays Going to put out there. Who's the best pro right now in wrestling and then we'll have a look of on it is and ago oscar. Charlotte have a beef. What i i'm sorry but no we wanna think guys we come back when you have our conversation with hank flying again. We're talking about the year and reveal as well as much more in Gaz and i. I'm just disappointed. Because dan a year resting should be on a high note. But it's really not so ski as always we talk to you later but these girls go. We gotta go to dance good dead angel here. When i'm not taking my girls dance. I'm listening to turn tabloid stuff. Talk the right after years of me telling you it's time to go. That appreciated some people in the industry. Especially people who've known me for a long time flanders. Well you know. It's it's like it's like terry funk's still calling fully cactus okay. Yeah it's rare. You could see that you know as a. It's not a secret about me day at a time. Kind of stuff right. It's not a secret back in the day where you're looking at pictures of me. Being real thin a lot of reasons. I was rail thin. Because i wasn't eating. I was drinking and putting god. What into my body. That i didn't need so a lot of the times i would meet people that in the last In two thousand nine hundred. And i've seen you know and i was like. Oh yeah i remember. I remember meeting. It was like. I look at pictures. I was like. Oh my god. I was in that match. You know like but but that's funny because you know as a drinker. Everybody knows towards a night of drinking. The one thing you do is always you hit the diner or you hit that you go into that kitchen you start making weirdest shit because the body starts wanting to eat something once you had a night of drinking. How was it that you weren't able to put on weight from nat drinking. Yeah well people think that alcoholics just become fat right and that's not true. A lot of folks do become fat but some alcoholics. You know my friends used to joke. Legs more skinny. Because he's all i was doing was drinking. You know and you know i didn't. I didn't gain any weight fucking alcohol and kito that you were on some shot. Wasn't that fashioned alcohol and member. The delhi around a corner where we to live around the corner from on on on seneca. That was my diet was beer and sandwiches from that. So including me gray sandwiches for real. Those three o'clock in the morning chicken bacon the bank to our rome really convenient for twenty four hours a day in twenty four hours a day. I get a fregate. A chicken aggregate a chicken breast salad and a forty is exactly. What you said sometimes couldn't afford my twenty two wind again. it was. I know you're balancing the way announces. I knew i need to eat something but They know you started off with name changing the name. And then we the world co coping died and it just seemed like it just went downhill. Yeah exactly i think. Kobe died went downhill. what else. what else happened kobe died. We lost a lot of great ones this year. Not even because the kobe but like eddie. Van halen kobe. Yeah patterson's is today. I was thinking about pat to a lot of my favorite stuff comes directly from his brain right directly from like my favorite things in wrestling directly from his brain. And i know that we talk about gifts we give to the world and you know your little dent in it. And he gave me god. Bless you brother. He gave me A lot of entertainment. When i was a child and didn't like shit stained underwear though but no but you know you're founded for you fucking pissed me off and especially in this talking about the kobe. And we're pat aligned with it. Was we had these individuals who pass away right and you always gotta find this one mother fucker in that circle wanted to mother farkas who will sit there and got to find a negative about the person and then bring it back to like colby passed away was the real issues array. Exactly like eddie van. Like i couldn't find one bad thing about eddie van. Halen i'll i'll. He apparently like may have slapped. Valerie bertinelli right. Thank you look. What's he doing a wife beater. Pat patterson wasn't like a groomer four up a guy upcoming wrestlers at the time. And i go. What if i said you guys are no different than the media when you find a solemn shot especially especially in my nari when you find out that someone was shot killed or whatever the case may be all howard happen and the first thing you bring up is their past. I only bring that up when they're pass has directly to do something with with issue. They're shooting the thing about a lot of father to who's trying to make a better life for so if he's working messenger service. Where blasi blah blah advocate maybe kill ya. But then at the end of the articles. He had a rap sheet. But as i was released from prison from two thousand nine. Fucking okay fair enough. That's fair but if this was like yeah he had a rap sheet ten miles long and was doing some shit while that's different but then next you bring up this whole you've got to look at everything. They had a case by case basis. The first thing that you want to bring up as i wasn't pep harrison accused of of trying to molest wrestler isn't get themselves book are you. This is what we reaching for now these days. Well i mean there was accusations. And i don't know what happened was alleged. Nobody said it was whatever i mean. Mel phillips was like yeah that do philps you hear about him. Yeah yeah was like you know he was dick. They're gay wrestlers hang out gay wrestlers and he's like But he was like a legit child molester also shit but also things wins fired. It also to wear. It wasn't it wasn't hidden that that pat was gate. Everybody knows like an open sea like he didn't say that where it on his sleeve. He came from a time where it was just like. Yeah we know. But it's not like he's going around telling everybody but even so he didn't wear it as a gimmicky to put her on his sweden. There was a he went out there. He wrestling what it was. And even as a booker on angel where whatever his role was people knew about it. And if he was that kind of got i was going to be progressively aggressor or whatever it was like. Oh the reason why. I didn't get booked for his magic. 'cause you know give him a bj. Or whatever i fucking and you guys deserve a spot in the first place but it also seems that it's a lot of guys who did accuse of this dude a like you said he didn't deserve. Ob you were bare. Because you wasn't you wasn't they're they're they're they're kinda guy i don't know everybody wants to always wanna find a floor with somebody after their death after they're gone that's an interesting and speaking of that we also. We've seen a lot of of fucked up year for deaths. And i just mentioned a lot of allen chad. Gas bar died saving his son. What that was. Dad was heartbreaking. Absolutely god i mean it. It goes to go so reflection at twenty twenty two made you really mean is back and look what the fuck do i need to do that to die. Do not to you know pun intended sobering and i was thinking about god wrestle is thinking about matty and i'm glad i'm glad you have is I'm glad you have his voice because apparently the human brain like the first thing that'll go and your memories is not their their physical form But there you forget how they sound like. I heard that nine. Eleven documentary called voices from the towers as people calling their loved ones from the world trade center on nine eleven and someone said is like the you know the human memory will the first thing that you you lose is like how they sound and how their voice and you have maddie on. You know you'd have many recorded. I mean and you you you could hear him and i was just thinking matt will forever be and we spoke about. This matt will forever be twenty five. You know when you when you when you wrote that to me in an in an a message i. My hair stood because he is standing now as said it. Because it's such an unfortunate thought because that's where you left your legacy at where you could have you know well especially for for someone. I came in and individuals like a kobe. Even anybody else who recently passed who young and wherever to go. That's your age forever. yes we're at. Its twenty-five switch for you to do. Yeah and it's crazy. And maybe we'll get into the metaphysical religious conversation about it. God i hope not today. I'm just giving you know the idea forever. Being whatever age you are when you die you know we say there is so much to do right and even if you're not a religious person or a faithful person or a spiritual person. Whatever we did yesterday was supposed to happen right because it happened right so matt was supposed to die for whatever reason now you could come up with some kind of reason People go to church for reasons and answers and people look to a higher power. I i know i do. You know. I can only imagine and god bless his mother. You know i went to. I went to his wake to tell his mother that she raised a good man. You know 'cause did you. Did you have you guys had a good relationship. we record you. I wouldn't say. I wouldn't go as far like we were friends or anything because that'd be dishonest But i remember the last conversation i had with him and it was very very pleasant. I went to a house of glory show and he was very close with The amazing red. And he's like yo bro like you know you know after training like we. We walk out to shit. You know like. I was like oh come on bro. Like you know and it was such a storyteller. I never knew what he was like. I don't know if he was being genuine. And joe working. You know because we've all been there you know. And he's like nano real real like you know you should go talk to him. You know what i mean because you know love to have you back you know. It was like we were talking about you. Being a champion hits like you know like something you had the crowd. You know what i mean like you know like was really put me over and i reached out to master because i reached out to redden workout and i was like yo bro. Like i did it you know. I know you freeze like y'all be at least you you you like a man you you put yourself. And it's crazy because he ended up being in the same dog house. Yeah yeah now. I was in and take for somebody it was just like i want it to the site and it was like this is fucking like it was so fucking terrible link. You know what i mean because then again to the logistics of how this happened you know what i mean because it was just like in the size of the truck and you know it was just like this is like i you know and god bless him. I'm glad he was with us for the time us with us and You know if people have bad feelings about i had a there was another guy in house of glory that it passed away. And there's a. There's a reason. I'm gonna talk about all this done via because the we'll get to that in a minute but this guy vinnie vinnie. The voice i remember that so I remember he had I had him. I had fallen asleep at the wheel of his Of his car on a trip from maine and i scratched up his car. His wife's car and We were kinda on the outs and You know he had died a week later. Close died a week later and I was with my woman at the time and She was a little relieved. That i was relieved to this this burden and I made a promise of very personal promise to myself. That when the time comes at a a defy that mistake or rectify that. Because we were and i remember looking at him is his body. You know By that i don't know Me personally i believe we. We all have souls. Even you don't believe. I believe you have and I'm just looking at his body. And i remember apologizing to him for what was going on between us. You know seen him. And i even if like you're a great person and all that stuff you someone could die tomorrow that you have a problem with Or that you don't even like you know that you don't like and the reason i bring this up i on my way here After work i was just looking for parking. And i. I drove by The place i was living at because it was the first place i lived after. I left my mother's house or webstorm out my mother's house and Glories around the corner. And i was just like how much grown alley physically but mentally emotionally spiritually and today is my last day in my twenties in. I'll be thirty tomorrow. Wow and an old fuck. Yeah so but i remember very clearly around the corner doing this for the first time and it's almost like i don't even even though i'm i still like the same stuff and i'm the same like the like the superficial stuff. Not that a superficial. It's a part of who i am but my core values and cool. Ym is not the same guy that spoke to you. Seven six seven years ago when we first started doing this year. Absolutely not anything like i look even just stuff. I was doing in wrestling back then. Just like why wouldn't. And that's just due to growth and twenty twenty matt passing away A break-up i had this year is is all important life experiences. And at this like In program they talk about responsibility. And i am responsible. And i remember a couple of months About a month ago I'm boring car barring a car. And it's it's an it's an old beater and it's it's okay. It's got me from place to place from now until my truck and so it was in the shop. You know just needed needed worked on right so i was taken a car service to work right so i'm in this lift in the morning it was It was lift. Driving was driving me to work. And i don't know what made him say this but he was like hey brought like i'm sorry for You know i know the you know. I'm sorry if you're running late. you know what. I mean traffic on queens boulevard. I said no brother. It's not your fault. assists guys. Fault pointed at myself. You can't control. I know there's traffic on queens boulevard. In the morning. If i wanted to get you know if i wanted to. I'm i wasn't late. But if i wanted to get to somewhere where i wanted to be early. It's my job to get there in my job. And he said to me he's like i said he's like you know i gotta start taking responsibility myself. You know taking responding you really resonated with him and like you know because when i get out at seven o'clock in the morning compared to like five o'clock in the morning i see it in my check you know just like it's all up to me. There are certain things that you cannot control but what you can't control as a person in the mirror the the but the thing especially as the us as males as men many of us don't know how to own up to our own shit. Then give me your man card right you. A in that in that goes with growth. I i'm not gonna say that was so profound. Excuse me you always seem to me even when you were wrong to be a guy to and you've committed here on live to people to your audience even off the cameras off the my personally. You've admitted when you were wrong or when you could think differently about something and and and it's not like i said i wasn't. I say that. I was so profound that immu in my younger as that i knew what it was but there were times when even at your age younger the case may be that i can identify them but yeah i could say i fucked up or maybe this is not the idea i should share with people thought process but it becomes more of a signature to yourself when you are able to do that on a on on an older basis when you sit and you look at it and say i'm not perfect i do my whole my whole comedic outlook is always this even when i'm wrong i'm fucking right because i'll find a way to be right i'll find it should have got into litigation but at the end of the day yeah i can say yeah i i some dumb shit oh i'd i told i said i did some you you come to that bridge when i used to do that but a lot of people don't want to do that when i used to get out of myself sometimes i would keep my mouth shut right because we get power says let me just keep my mouth shut not stay in my own head sometimes when i was having a conversation with somebody i would notice when they put their foot in their mouth where were embarrassed by what they said and i was like oh so this is what it's like on the other end that's always and it's amazing and that's always the one thing that i've known since i was a kid is i never want that that feeling of embarrassment or the terminologies is due shells when you see somebody or you hear somebody you want someone get into a predicament and you're like yeah you're fucking yourself up right you don't sound good right now you're not doing something properly you get that feeling and you put in your memory bank. Yeah i'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna be that person and a lot of times. Like i said i have to put in the situation as us as males because we always work. And you're you're definitely fucking i. I'm a little bit more of a fucking a soft alpha than you are your strong alpha and as an alpha. You don't want to come off like you're wrong you can't you can't you. Don't know what it is to to say that. I i'm not i'm not. I'm not correct on what i'm doing at that moment. I can't know everything right. right guys. you guys would listen to to the rest of this you better. You better make sure finish making my point. Wait a minute. I gotta cut it off. You gotta make sure you download the stream and especially this episode. Because when hank comes in for hank's happy hour especially if a year in review you gotta make sure you check it out so guys they could be being a part of aim partaking on our live stream and for the rest of the guys who are listening now to come later. I'm glad you your demise here. But i'm glad you brought something which you're part of grove to to where there's a lot of and i always equated to males because we as men don't always get that education from each other because there's something with this Mantle man Approach to how we see each other. It's always about i gotta conquer. I gotta be bigger than him. I got to be better than i am. I gonna do that and a lot of times. They don't really understand that. There is a dialogue. An isa happened with us because we need to educate each other because women as as as as is it may look as it could be very catty amongst themselves. Its survival mechanism but they also learn from each other with that because they are very observant. Watch how others move whereas men we. We're like fucking caveman is beat rock and rock mc fire. Only to help me do that. No we gotta learn from that sort of wanting that you had to before before max went back on was the idea of looking at someone and being jealous and being a bitch on an arbitration of what we can do yeah bitch but please explain what bits is just ago these are just. They're they're men in They're not men me. Let me let me that denver. That's a prestigious title man. Fuck him what are you. Know man unusable right him now like there's a different you like. Yeah fuck him or is this man like fuck him well. What happened is a look at them on tv and stuff like that and banging all the bitches like we think he is. I find myself whenever. I i look at somebody and i'm just like but were you like that before. Yeah of course. I was because i didn't have what they want seriously like. I had really like. There's a point in time if you're not if you're not a man your bitch straight up you're like your fucking bitch right And like you know One of my favorite things at any movie is incorrect in the karate kid because i always always look look i always look. I always look somebody in the. I always somebody spoke about. Donald trump in president trump. And and you know where you know. He's looking at the teleprompter right he I didn't watch the whole He had a press conference as looking at. He's looking at the camera for like you know. He's looking at the camera and i don't know if he's reading off maybe is maybe isn't but i'm really glad that i could see him face to face 'cause i really you know i i really liked the guy but look at look at us you and i are looking ida i. It's always tough for me to do that. Because because my my visual condition. I i have an insecurity below poor baby. Shut the fuck up guys. Weren't you just talking about a woman before you know. come on you know. I read that to women a lotta times. Don't it's not about and you know it's not about a rich guy. It's not about what he because you see plenty of rich guys out there who had no women who have nothing. You know what i mean like. They think that they could by women right. They could be like. Oh it's like oh what i. It's not about what you have. It's about what you possess in yourself to obtain what you have. Which is what's attractive right. And that's not just attractive to women attracted to other men to it's just like oh how you doing you know it's not like jealousy is just like really when when you break down to it. When when you freud it up and you really get to the nitty gritty. The potatoes of it and i want what he has. I would like to experience. Some of some of the pleasure and joy he's experiencing or you know and i would like some of that my life and instead of working for it well. Jealousy jealousy's a weakness. I remember any Week and h yeah initially Big zone where. The beginning of songs starts jealousy's a motherfucker. You week jealous. Mother be is because there's wanting to look at somebody and try to equate that to something you want to strive to and which is envy. Envy is envy's healthy. That's a lot to emotions. Have i wanna be where. He's i wanna be where he's at exactly. I want to to get to that level. Envious is is a good feeling to have jealousies basically. That's how a lot of mother. Fuckers die this is a lot of people are killed. His mother fuckers get caught up in bullshit. Because you're jealous of what the next man hands. You should never look at. Somebody's lawn and thinks that. I want my law to be like that's burnett shit down so that my lawn is better than his. After i burn your down. He shouldn't have it. Oh he shouldn't. Have you know what i understand is like what our show me. How your lawn got that way so my lawn could be that way to now. We're talking about like people talk about like all this tax the rich you know they have enough. They have enough right. Who are we to say that they have enough. You know because. I can't give you i'll give you ten thousand for so go get it right and so go get it but with that the other thing that goes along with is that with the growth that you get from it now now hold on on that point right and i think i'm a very conservative guy fiscally conservative but the growth. That comes from it. How did you know that. This year to your progression as not only your personal and professional life because i want to go somewhere and do something in. Be somebody but for the past years. You'd be saying that you've been jealous and you've been saying fuck bitch acting like a bitch why nobody said anything about when i when i started apartment. I thought that the podcast. I wouldn't have survived. Prison let me tell you. When are or have. Come out the most jack dude in the world. When i was i would look at other parkas. The fucking kidding me wanna fuck fuck it again. Followed listening to this is bullshit literally are gonna make a bash. The shit out of these guys. It wasn't until in mind you like. I said i'm going to old individual. I shouldn't have these thoughts and it wasn't until later on that. Sorry i said you know what. I can't do that anymore. I just although it is funny material but it's wasted energy and i always think that's what it becomes on. That's where it becomes wasted. Energy energy is that energy should be put to bettering yourself than thinking about the next man. What the fuck they are doing. I follow this guy. Wes watson right. us He was in the penitentiary. Who was in a in a penal system in california for a long time did did that. Attend your bid right and I bought his workout program and he's really changed. He's really changed my life right and just the way he liked. That's where i got like. Act like act be like a set of balls in between my legs all right. That's not that's a privilege. It's a legit privilege. You know i was born to be a man and i have to act. Accordingly period period. That's it you know 'cause everybody as soon as but that's an excuse and nobody. Nobody wants to hear excuses did did you really look at somebody else's wrestling career was like the absolutely i don't care about that anymore. I'm not focused on them. I told the kids go back to. I told him to go back to other working with children right now. Right other half's happy hour and see if it how you back then silly absolutely you don't even have to. I'm i'm telling you telling you. That's how i was i. I told them working with children. And you know it's a it's a partee temporary job right now you know with cova going on and they're They were talking about cheating right in there were two groups and like dow they're cheating and they're cheating and i said kids winners focused on winning losers focus on winners when on differently. I'm not worried about this dude. I'm worried about me. And what i'm going to do and i'm going to take care of. I'm gonna take care of people. I don't like you know what i mean. I'm going to work with people. I don't like i'm going to work with people i like and i'm going to sit here and be like well. He has you know he has this and you know move. Fuck him Fine fucking about it to do something about it. you know. 'cause a lot of people people cut promos on facebook and it's like god only rally in life go nine wrestling roller but but on life people cutting promos dude put a microphone in front of your face and make money but you know. I'm gonna take my own advice and do that. 'cause i was very tired of being a bit very tired very tired. When did that Awakening occur. What did you thought. So i mean really. It started last year. you know. it's a slow process. It's not like overnight. You know it's not. I don't think people become evil overnight. I don't think people become good overnight. I don't think people it's not a you know you go into the hyperbolic time chamber and come out in a day. Which would be fantastic if we do that great. Abc referenced appreciate it but it's a lot of reading. It's a lot of working out. It's a lot of you know what's hard do it's hard you know because it's easy to you know Again watson said quoting directly from him. I don't know where he's quoting from. But it was great at great advice. It's like people talk about like. Oh when i make a million dollars. When i do this i'll get in shape or when i have the it's just like you bright now now a just do it. It's it's not making an excuse. Yo now like get like i've done that. And it's brought tears to my eyes like yo n now 'cause it makes me feel like you know like and not to say that you shouldn't look back and be like okay. This is the mistakes i've made. It just makes me reevaluate decisions. I've made as a younger man. You know it. Just i get it's just maturity and a lot of people And i'm not saying. I'm getting it all now but you know i don't wanna be a gentleman even thirty one yeah. I don't. i'm going to be thirty tomorrow. i don't wanna be. That was the mouse on as you saw. it know. there's a lot of people do that. Aleister nine thirty or new now by the time. I'm today i need to do this by the time i'm jay today and that's money today. Ted take a look at. You're not popping for the goodfellas reference. No do you know why because for me. It's it's it's always profound when you get it from the. I mean you've helped me out and you've said a lot of profound things listening and not to say that you've you know you gave me all the answers or this person. Got all the answers. But it's all right. There's things i disagree with and things agree with the name change. I was like man fucking. He doesn't always talk me. There's no he's talking about you know I feel better personally about it. You know not to say that. It wasn't proud of my work as hank flanders very very proud of my work but i've matured but i know i'm saying it would just say what we're comes with Growth comes from where it comes to plays comes from places that you didn't know it would come to you. You know like you say you. You're getting from his this gentleman like getting it from there. You'll get it from possibly fucking mean. It could always come from somewhere that you meant to see it and it comes your way you'll go. Holy shit you fucking right like wow this this this affirmation this this this was meant for me to see it or read it or hear it and yeah but it also comes to how it correlates which personality because this is certain people whose personality would never forking get it. They were never they. Were never see it. You want to grow or be stubborn. That's what it becomes. And that's is try and stubborn. Irish puerto rico. But i'm become i've used that trait and it's it's a curse because you're irish and you puerto rican and you're stubborn it's it's a triple threat of nonsense so i'm gonna use it trait. Mb stubborn about positive things right. I'm not gonna break character. You know i'm going to have a set of core values that i'm not gonna break. I mean like you know. Who am i when the chips are down. Who am i when you know. I have done this. You know what i mean like. I used to think it would be cool. This is crazy i was. I would be cool. Like our learn boxing right and if if anybody ever stepped to me at a bar like i i'd be able to knock them out right Say knock that guy out and that guy ends up in a coma and he's got a little kid at home that he can't take care of or kill him. And i end up doing a end up doing fifteen to twenty and his family dislodged lost a son over stupid argument. You know what i mean. The power walking away. I used to think that shit was cool. I used to think like crazy crazy things like you know. Oh when i get older. I'm gonna put this on my body. You know what i mean and i'm gonna be about this and this is the life that i'm gonna live just dark dark stuff. I really dark stuff just thinking about like you know a lot of young men and you know we. It's okay if i've met a lot of people who were half and half of something and gravitate toward another thing. I gravitate toward being irish. I'm very proud of it. And not that. I'm not proud to be in puerto rican. You don't really gravitate to that. Don't match really. don't you love to shut. did you enjoy at twenty twenty one. I think that's going to be one of my my my goal conversations for hank's happy want to do is go into more your puerto rico puerto rico. I had a let me tell you something involves a woman right. Of course. I'm on the road one time and there's There was a very beautiful woman. Driving a car and a fellow wrestler. You're talking about heritage. And everybody's in the car is latino and i'm the only guy i'm the only guy who's european and these like you're not dull. Fuck up listen. So he was making that point that exact point right and i was just like yeah. My dad's irish. Like gabby puerto ricans gated. Really is a gabby. Puerto rican. Though and i was like yeah. Why do that like every time. Like they're like someone's like percent like the david jessica. No no you're one of us and sexy sexy woman goes you know. We're very proud people but it sucks because crowd people. But i was just like you look like a fucking catcher's mitt. He's irish wasn't tall and handsome intelligent. Well spoken no but honestly listen now. There's there's i would really want to see a growth for the year as we telling this for years now for what though like. Why can't i just be happy in my own skin. Really honestly this first thing you put per families like ireland from the soul. Have you gone to puerto rico. I'd love to but you've been ireland right. I don't like the heat. Fuck up shit yeah. That's bullshit i get pissed because sometimes in the summer i was like i'm half puerto rican. I should be chilling right now. Oh my god and it's not even like it's a percentage of my mother. My mother's go do ask some one and go to eight and a puerto. Rico wanna you wanna you wanna me in a flag alley you josh media gimmick though is that for the next year that you think you come out to fucking big pun one hundred percent out every fucking her larry every new york porno you'd be flagging irish flak No no no. No i wanted to do that. I wanted to enhance the glory. I wanted a tag team with. Sonia shrunk because you know it's a typical wrestling storyline. You know You know people fighting and respect each other becoming tag team. So i want to do that so strong. In like you know she puts like with your prime over sheaves the come on baby orang before you know but now fighting and finding it and she takes me by the hand and like she brings me. She's like she comes out right. And it'd be like patti day up in green and that man great but i have a mind for wrestling foot for twenty four twenty twenty one i do i. I want to look into that. We shouldn't do come on. I know i listen. I grew up around it. So what part of the reason to that too in. We've talked about his absentee fatherhood to mother now. I don't think so males males carry the father's name and you see the thing. Is i remember somebody telling me one time. He goes it was ecuadorian. Guy he's like my friend. Everybody have mama. No one knows but the other thing is bother you. Why does it bother you. Does your wife bothers me because we've spoken about it. It's not it's not. It's not a secret. We spoken about on the show where you do have a preferential prefer that there is a disconnect with your mother. And we've spoken about that what you see the thing is. I love my gra- a couple of weeks ago. I so i've learned how to cook right. I've had to on my own for hat. Learn how to cook eventually. I've gained all this weight gain so so i know make. I don't make italian show typical american food. What i've wanted is it. So i could cook bacon and cabbage but i need to make irish breakfast really well. I need to rice and bean meal. So i went to my grandparents. I you know. They're they're getting older. They're close to a so. I was like hey can you come over. Make me food you know in thou and there was a wonderful saturn it was how in actually spanish. Yeah and by played the music. And you know. No seriously i i had seriously i had to live on. I had blue kellyanne. And then i played the fifties music. God play puerto rican music arable. I sat play puerto rican music. I played irish music fifties music from that era but i learned You know i. I am slamming in the kitchen. I is it you hear this. I went and then embraced. Part of my. I had to make sure that you know i- i- draped the may make sure that there was a big puerto rican flag hanging in my living room and there was try color. There was the the big picture of level and jesus and make sure the jesus had a darker looked. What are we talking about. Are we not in. When are you going to actually brace the fact that yes. You are puerto rican. Just have all the time you know. You just want me to be one of those flag-waving small honda civic and you know. That's exactly what you want. Look pretty right now here. But it's like you've got to put the fucking big ton or the fucking anthony fucking a t-shirt honest. You know what you want me. And her cozy. Dan fucking street play. Percussion coming on the block and said no you do you. You love that you lose what you never touch on it though can only. What would you like me to touch on. I talk about now. We're talking about now. Trump activism I think there's a big disconnect because there's a big resentment from yemen. The side of the family. I really know was my mother but i didn't wanna fucking target her okay but no it's not it's not the heritage it's not it's it's the person get better okay. But it's still the heritage because you still don't seem to you know you don't emulate you. Don't worry so what what. What would you do any late. The irish so what. I so i knew i and i think if somebody asks you a marriage in puerto rico always have no you don -solutely so so why didn't you say i'm puerto rican and irish because i'm a racist 'cause i get more jobs saying i'm irish out of puerto rican and puerto rican friends. So he jokes about it all the time. Because he goes he goes. Because apparently you puerto rican. Apparently you puerto rican right so three episodes. I realize that. You have puerto rican one so i got in trouble a couple years ago right right to go to court and i didn't do anything. It was just the bronx wrong time. Kind of thing and so i went to. I wore three piece suit. I was a blues. I bought a brand new suit and not four court but actually came in handy. So i went out of his mind. It was my first suit. I was so proud myself. I'm wearing a blue like navy. Blue suit typical. You know three men have to reduce the grey suit. The blacks it's not the burial suit the barrows. What's up blue suit white shirt three piece. Blue shoe white shirt red tie right so he goes so you look a little irish boy. Wanted to be a fire and didn't irish boy going to communion. I got a haircut. I got a haircut stood under the light because in under the lighten some sometimes my hair is. I was born with red hair so sometimes like standing in the light. Hello sir yes sir. Thank you god no no. I am proud of being puerto rican. I'm proud to be your nine. Listen when you right in the fucking said that when you go into like i say when you go down and you look at the job location you put white. Of course you do. Yes i do. Of course you do put other not other because you know you'll get the of course you are other good man now other rings and heritage to inherently looks and it gives you a gives you in quarter. It gives you that it gives you. The option of staying away is this is why that is bullshit right here and the reason why i told my i told myself a couple of years ago. I didn't want to end up with an irish girl or puerto rican girl. Why because i know what's coming end up with a judy be would become the views of now. Well i really played. His views expressed on the tabloid. Or we're going to make play. No i can't. No i couldn't i actually. I couldn't end up with you. I got too much too much of a practicing catholic. Oh jesus christ. We make sure i say this with live. Four turnbuckle tabloid. Don't and the reason why i say is because i plan. Come on. We'll be please. Please listen to the shape. Although i'm getting a big fucking the show is getting a big fan base in france. I don't know what the fuck that's getting. Halloo better fair. Play to the french. There should be ireland because of you. But you're not helping that shit. Well now there's people who listen are our less than that you have. You ever listened to the blind boy. A podcast no blind boy. He's really good. He's part of the rubber bands. You ever the rubber mats now know the same. His in that left wing asshole. Wait okay here we go. This is where progressive where we're going to. Its way ladies and gentlemen we go there. We go okay and this is where. I've been avoiding it for the longest. Why before we go there. We'll go into the first thing about where we we had the earlier conversations on hank's happy hour which was covert right right And we we touched on it quickly. of their cells by What's your thoughts about the progression of what happened from the beginning of the one we talked about it to what is now. I think gate talk because they got to discuss guy. I think it very much played into the nature of disease whereas a lot of people it is a serious thing and people should take precautions. I'm saying they shouldn't but the disease will always kill the weak and elderly i. This is the nature of disease and the fact that i. I don't believe people really understood. That is is is insane. You know i'm not saying healthy quote unquote. People can't get sick but really bro. You got shit the fuck up ladies and gentlemen. He's pouring but cardi and orange uses alcoholic. Nothing nothing yeah. That's what they all say. Nothing that's what they're all say. Yeah yeah well. I think no so. The nature of disease and i was born in nineteen ninety so that was the height of the aids crisis. What ten years old. At the time. You tend to look like what dumb boy. Eleven twelve year at the eighties. No one when aids came out with by six born in the late seventies. i know so six seven years. Yeah so i was born. You re probably twelve or thirteen years old. So you're at the height of the aids crisis right right The nature of disease will always always kill the weak the elderly the infirm or someone with a minor health problem. Okay not to say that. This isn't serious and people can't have lasting health effects. Obviously so what. I i read a statistic where the survival rate of covid now is ninety. Nine percent so between eighty eight and ninety is very high in the nineties. Like most likely. If you get covid you will survive. Most most likely. Okay and i I had a conversation with With a registered nurse. Who was still. I think a part of the cdc and she said to said we'll hank we almost by shoot there. Well well hank wink wink. She said the reason that it's so the survival rate is so high because most of the people who will die from it have already died. And that's a shame. And i really wish we didn't lose anybody a really wish that we people who did die co i. I wish that people were able to bury their loved. What does not true though. Because we're still part of this what he's talking about but listen to what i'm telling you still people dying yet. They are people dying. This people don yes. They are not saying that they aren't but dino playing a game of risk you play. Play the game risk. I you played game forever. It's like monopoly but map. Leah's fun but this is way more co did take the nitty gritty of the money. Like fucking fight this is gonna work tacking taking this land right so i was playing with my ex girlfriend and a buddy of mine right and So we have the extra piece at the end once. You kind of like set up the board and you know where you're at the at the extra piece like the like the you know the thirtieth peace and he puts his in quebec and he goes their population control and i so hard in my ex girlfriends population control. It's like yeah. I believe we had this discussion that the leaders of the world are just playing a giant game of risk. And like all right. Yeah a couple hundred thousand eighty five percent of us have to go but does it wouldn't surprise me if someone very intelligent was just like this conversation that you couldn't air where over over social distancing someone's like yeah we could but like it would really help us out of our undesired. His people think this is my daughter. I speak to all these conspiracy theorists. And all the shane and and i've gone back and forth. And what do you think you're pretty big. Conspiracy theorist i'm not no. I'm not. I'm really no discussions about it. I've had i've had moments way. I'd be like okay. I can see it happening right. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist when it comes to the fact of how society is this these days thirty forty years ago. If you're gonna tell me this whole shit like you know the whole jfk's assassination and all this bullshit sir hanser ham when it came to the fucking arve off. Why was that's one thing. We live in a society in in an and age where there's no more secrets. Dawn forever secrets. No but there's no more secrets where it comes to where the government so everybody's so fucking. We all have big mouths because everybody wants to be famous for something. Well hold on also. Did you like front. Gore's really atmosphere really. I love friends right. I love remember. Remember when When joey joey finds out the chandler monica dating oh. I can't do anything when people are fucking knows but when rachel finds out he goes. Oh my god. I've been dying to talk about it right because it's a secret and you know it's just like you want to you know and people and i was watching episode of the name. I was seinfeld and the nanny was on. Durham alright on fresh. I'm like this. i'm i'm talking to a fucking alpha male. He's talking about friends nanny and row. No no freshers. Oh my god. She's sexy oh so if it's an today's yes absolutely who sixty she still looked so messed up thurston overturned russia right now and talk about the plot of the got about the plot in any case a hold on what was brought secrets about. Oh yes so there was a share was in in mr sheffield's house right and she couldn't keep a secret so she told her friend who was like. Oh i only told this guy. And it's a game of telephone and then all of us in the whole world knows and you know everybody's at your door looking for share right so if javed jfk. For example we just talk just brought the jfk and session and sash nation or mlk or any of those famous assassinations. right nine. eleven. If any of those were conspiracies right if they were planned. Don't you think somebody somewhere would have said something right. This is what i'm saying. Now here's the thing with a bridge. I don't think lee harvey oswald acted alone. I in mlk. I think Blonde not law enforcement but someone important was like yeah. This guy needs to you know something needs to happen to him. Which is the modern day. She does have now. I you know who knows. And that's the thing is is like who gets to play the guy who gets to play the game of risk you know it's it's pro wrestling. Yeah let's like who i want to see. What's happening one of the reasons why i was so enthralled with pro wrestling when i was a child especially when people told me it was fake. Yeah we're wasn't predetermined. It wasn't real. I came up with the idea in my head. When i was a kid that they were really beating each other up but the finish was planned. Okay which was kind of what happened in the sixties and seventies. They worked until the finish. And i thought that they really hitting each other. But whoever kit who i was just like arcade hit me. I'm going to lay down form. That's in my brain and it's funny. Use it. Because i wish i would have brought it up to in the previous episode because yeah that's the way i thought about wrestling as well i go through this whole matches calling in and the ring. We gotta do literature. We're gonna do all this stuff bill. We're going to build his own act. But just you know that you're gonna go at the end. Yes as a gay. You're going to beat me in this fight right. We're gonna rent a beat the fucking shit out. You're going to beat the shit out of me wherever case but this is what happens at the end. That's what i think what it was but are you trying to create this to what the fuck was going on in the world where yeah i think it's i think pro wrestling has always been a commentary on the world. Well your president is that came from pro wrestling. He promoted pro wrestling note. He also did promote to and it all ties into twenty twenty combat sport whether simulated or real was the first thing to really open in twenty twenty the i like you know sport on television combat sport whether it was mixed martial arts boxing or professional wrestling. You know there is boxing on the world. The world literally washed mike. Tyson and and Roy jones junior. Do fantastic by the way. Yeah well yeah. I wanna i wanna get into that quick and it we'll go back to solidify to wrap it up Going to talk about nate nate. I don't know not the absolute well. Mike roy let's talk about that and what what upset me was that people didn't get it. People do not understand what it was to see two men who work such dominant athletes in the nineties to bring it to the stage twenty five years later. Twenty five years later Roy did it three years ago. It was the last flight Mike was fifteen years and you are not big mike france. We look fucking love. My of my. We talked about mike for days. Oh yeah but to see these. Two guys national. That's an international treasure. Put the ideas that people didn't understand what the fight was about. And it's it's only a few of us who understand the boxing Professional what mike. Tyson is a genius. But not only that. It's fucking exhibition. That people didn't understand that what you want. It wasn't not either man wanted to do either man wasn't going into that ring to not eat the other person out. I don't think so. I disagree with you why i think competitor but i'll contact good. I if you look into the into the eyes of both of these men. Especially mike's after the after the fight you were they were. They winded. gather in their fifties. Right but i was like all right two minutes like they coulda gone ten rounds like after looking at him for a while. Like you know like mike really starts to pick it up in the third round. You know like it didn't seem like they were is tired as as a of faulk. Oh okay. i'm glad you've been put to use okay. That's very surprising. Yeah you can talk about that later. They get to all right. I'm gonna. i'm about to get a phone. Also know my but the reason why i've seen as we look at it two ways number one. We know the mic from the nineties. For as the nineties man was an antler he hiller. He didn't know anything. But the first time i heard that. Look in the icing tyson. You'd never never never took his eyes off dipoto. Only the only time that a went away from him was an. And i always say when costco ya and and and and and kevin left when they weren't when he went under that don don king regime i think he laws on king i hold don king responsible for the fall of mike tyson. Even though mike is a responsible adult he. I'm sure age mike was only about twenty five twenty six zero. He's still use. Kennedy's is younger than you and only knows was the money. The flash the colts the fucking cars. You don't anybody. He lost the hunger after that cuss in his like. What's cusses gone. What's kevin is gone. Tony atlas gone. The whole mike was it was done. Yeah and that's when their whole downfall. Mike happen when you see him. It is fun playing the twentieth frustrated for him. What do we see him. And twenty twenty. Because in in the ninety he would have been known as prolifically. We know him as the greatest heavyweight overtime absolutely i. I think he's better than ali. I and i say today. I think it's better than all saints day. And he's you know anybody tells me you can you can you can you can't even Put capacity for what he did at that age. To whatever was mike was a monster but he lost because of the change of regime. What we saw with this fight. Bus is supposed to be a tune of fight but he didn't take it that seriously he. Douglas was supposed to be a tune up fight. He didn't train for it and he. That's the point. that's what i'm saying. Trains and buster. Douglas was a tune up fight and he went in there with high over. Fuck was doing or the case may be when we look at might now and i told people before. This shit started happening when he was doing his legislative. Wherever and i was watching mike and he was so. I said the strongest thing that anybody can have. Especially you're an athlete is muscle. Memory must memories is dangerous. Your body will always remember what you've done twenty years before i was a gymnast when i was a kid and i could still do a fucking around off. I could still do afford role i could. If you put me on a fucking on spring are probably do a flip. I might not land on my feet. But i could probably do it. It's muscle memory to was still moving before this happened. He cut wait. He fuck in dot into this rain and it was founded of how he moved. Because i said listen if he wanted to he can finish roy he really got to me. I think he could've finished roy. I for my sank. If he had extra around he could offend. No no no no no no his mindset that he is now that he's older just like your progression as a as a man now his mindset is this. I don't have to do that anymore. Chinese set it on his podcast where he said early on is like. I don't wanna be that guy that i was as a younger man because that man is dangerous. I make sure that. I put him away. Because i don't want to hurt anyone and usually you should see after the death of his child gone after after his his his his loss of money of revenue of these guys make money ownership money. He wants his child but editor saying in that and all his whole mindset. Was that anyone imagining. Yeah exactly. I don't need to believe that anymore man. It was a beautiful you know. I'm glad they both did it. Oh it's great bad either. But right roy site the i accomplished a dream. Right right is Roy was trying to move like he was thirty out. Mike was smart. And might you know. It's a member in the six rockies like we don't have speed anymore we just. This is what we now see a debt. Roy was like you know when you kind look like the old. The old roy pop up with that with that quick left. You know it's is about that. The the you know you always came up with the one to write one-two-three one-two-three move out of the way one-two-three move one three miss boom. You know what i mean. I can't i can't tell you i said listen. Might fuck will roy's body that whole time because he if he went to the head fucked among them. It's and i could tell. I could tell people. It's a heavy Sparring session android. Mike knew it. He once i saw mike come up with them. Hands with hands up. I was like this could be a long long back with somebody man but i admire no mindset. It was worth fifty bucks. Of course it was more patient. But i admire his in myself my birthday happy birthday saying but i admire his mindset for it because even with that the first round you saw roy was the have you think. And he said he body shots from killing. I think roy mike was. I was an ex round. Good that i think should encompass the end. Hopefully the end of twenty twenty the rise. You know what i mean. I hope we learned something. We've all learned things in this podcast right now. We gotta talk about my man. I'm going to give you before. Trump mcgregor leeann this note. Let's go with. Let's go with trump. Quick let's go five. We'll talk about trump with them would be all right fine. Do you still have faith in this man. I have faith in what he represents. Which is why my my ideals. And how i believe we should progress as a society but hey there's other republicans ignore circle now but why. It's funny because the last conversation we had before when makes went off is it was funny battle. We talk about that. He emphasizes your standard as a guy he's now for male he's fucking a sexist. I don't want to say that now. Now races the mites. The name sleeping no. He's leaving dogs leaving well. You really believe he's a racist. Yes you really believe now. Racism i think is a little different from bigotry bigotry. You really hate something right. Racism as you believe that your superior your racer. You're racist superior. Look and because i don't like the idea that only whites could be races. Think everybody could racist. No no you don't think so. No he's a difference when it comes to racism this power as a minority. No no no no. No no listen as a minority. We don't have power we can be racist okay down. That's not true. No that's not true. What do you mean that's That the system is wrong. This system could be fixed but the system itself isn't humans are racist as just as just as people don't believe in White privilege because you got to understand areas white privilege it goes the same way with being a man and being a male that you get more of leeway in an open avenue to win women do to what did to women to what do women. What do i have. Whatever i don't. I don't grow if you win. I four job and your name comes up before mines and you see sense goggle as my real to your shoot name. They will how you before you really think that. Oh an undoubtedly. You really think it's knowing it is that okay. I will agree that that has happened. No i don't agree that it happens on a large scale in this day and not in new york because new york. We are a minority but across the rest of the cut off. Yeah okay yeah. Do you think that somebody should be hired. Just on the basis of what their name is. They should be hired on their merit of what they've accomplished. Yes but but oh i could have the same standing that you have uneven more but just because you know you could work the other way. What if what if. I walk into a office and You know selena sanchez. Hope has big debt. You're not helping the god argument here. You're not helping. The compensation side healthy not not. Sorry so but if she hires if she hires a latina woman right is that bias because she wants to help somebody where how. Where does it end whereas let's think about this. How many people do you think of that position. Have that as opposed to at people. Okay your your white entitlement or position or your race or culture. Whatever has opposed to any lows in minority. Who has that position number. You guys outnumber us. It's true you do. Singularity you do number whites number latinos with that number blacks whites number asians position of power as of now. Yes you do you do. So you think the the balance should be tipped. I think that it should be everybody. Should be called of merit near worth rather than who the fuck they are. I agree with you but it's not you don't think so no. It's not it's really not i disagree. You disagree which is okay but you disagree. Because i don't know whether you know can is it on the no no. I'm not saying it has discrimination. Hasn't happened but to this. In this day and age where affirmative action there's hiring and means nothing it's not as relevant as as it was that push. It's not died on that you lost jobs because somebody was a minority. I lost jobs because of female entitlement. If you leave your mad about post as different. But i'm talking about you but if he has up talking about minority wise there is. You can't sit the believed that there's no such thing as white privilege and the man. That was an office. Although he didn't sit there and and and push it he brought it to light and gave those who follow him. The entitlement to make believe that it's it's it's it's real key sat there and made it sand say that you're trying to say he's stoked the flames of people's underlying bigotry. Racism bigotry is always around. And you know it. It'll always be as long as human beings on this planet. They're always racist tree. He gave them delight to like them. St tortures and where fuck hawaiian shirts. Where fuck it was that they were doing stupid and he did not condone their actions did not say that but he has but he but he said several times i disavow white supremacy. I disavow all time under pressure because why because he'd hammers. Listen it's not fair. Why is not because the cameras was hat on him. During the debate over the case may be ordering and this. You're not talking to a guy who does the notice you write about his his his his two thousand sixteen two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen Minimize tweets about it but whatever he sat there under the fucking under the gun he always fucking on the sly notes. Said you know. I know they like me and they want me. They want me to do what it is. And i don. I don't know who they are. He disregarded him. Would you like to endorse anybody. Who disregarded you would would you like. Would you endorse anybody. Who disregarded you would. I endorse someone who disregarded me. Yes now. that's exactly what happened those problems. I don't know who they are about. Who the fuck is but you know. What do you know. The proud boys are in a bunch of fucking militia due to filled up with not only fucking. They're white supremacist. Say but they have a mixture of dumb ass fucking latinos as well. Now there's black stairs. It's a mixture. i noticed right now. Have you have you spoken to a white. A real white. Supremacist that you know. It's funny because bumped into buckets. Anyone in my neighborhood. But i would love to have a compensation like i'm talking about derek vinyard type of. Oh i love to all right. I mean hopefully doesn't flip obtainable you know and get. I wanted to get white. supremacist ago. Ooh that's too much for me now. But i don't look at black supremacist. Go oh that's too much for me you. That's the way you do you really. That's but that's way okay. I valued a values is freedom if you wanna walk the earth. That way walked. You're that way their consequences it's dangerous. There's danger in the world fight but with that kind of mindset. it's dangerous. I think it's right now. Really do i believe that you have the right to believe that you have the right to believe that crackers got that's fine. That's what we're leaving. But the fact is is that you want to push the fact that a cracker. I'm not talking about white people. To as in ritz crackers Because of a rich cracker. I'm going to fucking stab you. That's fucking different okay. But these people aren't a national security threat. There's little a number. We'll no no no regardless of what you say. They're still should be considered. God's little there are considered terrorists absolutely. There's no security threat a national. They're not they don't have the numbers of power to really overtaken. Al qaeda had fucking probably five hundred thousand and when he started even if that and they will still consider a terrorist security threat. Exactly so the people who live in our country who feel this way their security threat. Make you feel unsafe. Yes really yes. That's a shame. Yes now for me personally but yeah if i if i meant that i work in. Yeah i could bump into one of these bozos. I need to take me out. Because i'm puerto rican hope because my minority. Yes up protect you. It's so congress. Fighting before i wrap it up We go to Do you believe there was fraud. There's if it was me. I'd make a case for it now to tell the truth if there's no fraud if it's just like your brothers no fraud. He needs to bow out and bow bill. Bill barr has said that is for analysis manzano. Bill barr show. Yeah bill by the the the the attorney general well william bar there. There's there's now bill bird. Fuck a comedian. Bill barr that the attention to the man he appointed. There's no fraud. Okay to me. I would take it to court. I would take it to court. They took everything the court. And everybody's just saying i would take this report. I would take it as a reward. They can't because there's you need to have evidence that there's something to take supreme core in every state attorney. General has said that nothing. Nothing is that he had a press conference today. I wanna see what he says. And we'll come back in january if there's a new president and if there's not a new president i wonder what's going to happen but if he's not if if it's a fair and legal election deduce got a bow out and bauer gracefully as gracefully as you possibly can at this point. That is such a fucking. Oh my gosh what is i. Don't know i bow out. great. I just told you. He needs the ballot. But if you've heard for weeks that you everybody's saying there's nothing business there's little space for every state every fucking josh. Who in every state says. There's nothing in the media. Giuliani and everybody has been sitting there saying. Yeah this fraud here but when you go in front of the judicial system in like What do you have a proven ago. We don't really have nothing. What are we doing here. You have to have affidavits. you have to have witnesses. I mean it's it's kind of like. I'll give give you an example. I went to a lawyer recently for for something nothing to do with anything. A law that had to do with the city and all that stuff But he was a very astute lawyer and something like this is like calling somebody a racist legally right. It's a very serious accusation. Right now i could be like es racist against Destroy no no you really delvecchio. You're racist against lana hotline. I swell correlating this man exactly. They don't vote because they're dumb. Fucking minority. They don't don't really like don't do that. You're smarter than that. am. I really absolutely go. I've given you too much credit. You might have. But the fact is is that the gop in that party the day they they made. It seem as though that that's where that's what it pretty much was. Is that again if you know. He wants to spend his money. I would've i would've sat there and if you had an an another individual in that party that show some kind of relevance in which that he wasn't playing his followers for the money that he's getting i would have been like okay then maybe he has some kind of of backing or kind house. He made money. I really want to look at one. Hundred seventy million dollars. He made of people donating to believing that this that this election was a fraud which is basically hand over fist. Seventy five percent of that money is not going to finding out whether or not this election was a fraud. It was going to the legal actions of that of it. Occurring tends pretty conspiracy to me brother. Yeah by him by you. Know and him stop. So we go to conor mcgregor before we go so so mcgregor your guy. Twenty twenty so what. I believe. i'm gonna get into the driveway. Yes so connor. He's gonna fight boy. I thought he was going to fight. Wanted a poll. That was a stupid like first of all the the fact that that dude thinks that he could fight an elite fighter conor mcgregor first of all even wake last. Second of all like the dude had our right boxing. Like not even all right boxing jelly. He knew how to stand in a couple of jabs but yeah easy was the beat up a guy who was wailing at you. You know what i mean. All you had to do was move away and hit him in the back of the year. You know you saw. The fight was stupid. And he's like yeah. I'm calling conor mcgregor. This league the best striker in the ufc. He went toe to toe with the best boxer wink wink with the what went toe to toe with the best boxers years ago. You know. Went ten rounds. He thinks he's gonna box that dude. Like fuck no no. No here's the thing down. The one thing i can say is that Jake paul he. he's retraining. he's not. I'm not saying. He has autism. He he i love both brothers. He's the one that actually no he can't. I would've took him seriously. If he named a contender. I would've taken out. Took him like he's like. Oh yeah boxing's my thing right and it's just like yeah. I want to fight. Conor mcgregor monies of course commerce with the money that i had the same problem with punk. Who had his entire u. of c. film career filmed and look made money off like. Oh this shrine i mean brooklyn. Brock listener had named value too but they didn't document his transitions of the bryant fought japan and fought and its own remember the duke from ww brock listener. Behind conor mcgregor. Even more than ronda rousey biggest box office wrote the uc's overhead but he get did the whole big thing where you put brock in pay per view right now in steep amyot judge. That's that's five hundred thousand dollars but you know would would. Would this whole jake. paul. Is i We're just saying you you put you put him in a ring with a guy who can't even fight is different and you will feel you'll you could tell you can't fight their y box. I tell people can't you can't even fight like you even know how to be in a fight. Why would you even know how to on. Commentary was average. I wanna call my madness i happen. You're trained as a boxer. Yes it when. You saw nate going in doing what you like. Who trained him. Yeah i was like oh my the way was oh my god. The way he was standing the way he wants headfirst into is sir. Put your hands up. You know what. I liked it. Did you hold the whole. The whole art. yeah this kid bro. Brom hunt his last. Name's jack bar. Jack up that beat up the military guys at nice don t piece them up for eight around and let me tell you i like that kid mike mckenna mckenna him. If someone really taught him how to really throw hands. I can be dangerous but not go down. Oh bar you. Mike bottle jack jack. Yeah he's from. i think. Yeah i with the lightweight. Fight was nice to get the first match. Yeah yeah but i. I was more impressed with that bottle. Jacket i i really like the lightweight. Fight to the. I can't remember that. Spanish kids name in the guy from ball bottle or bottles in a lefty right on. You know he was a he was orthodoxy. He's all he would switch but you know he's kind of when he was when he was throwing he kind of reminded me of a more stocky of winky wright. Get out of your really. Yeah winky winky winky how to fuck vicious uppercut man. And he's the question. Is you now with this. Legend this legend league. That's that could happen. Who do you want to make a comeback in there. Who maybe. I thought he was daddy. I'm kidding i'm kidding. They made a movie about him. Nine make I wanna see. Wanna see mickey fight. Floyd oh i wanna see mickey fight. Floyd i was saying trinidad versus delahoya. That's what they never gotten an obviously like felix trinidad. I wish i would wish macho still around. I wish fucking cornell was still allow my god thank you yes day. Pass away this year I brought up Shit civic chain. Like all those. Especially since i mean i follow some of those guys instagram. Some of those guys are still like i see the beating the pads tummy muscle memory man muscle. Memory will do it. You know. I wanna see floyd fight mickey. So bad is floyd foot. Gatty on gatti's de klein and did did you knock atty out. No he knocked them down about no but this is after the three wars with. Yeah you're right and it was a. I think it was two years after that and to me like you couldn't get like that was a stack. Division flew fought a lot a lot of the. You know what i mean like i mean chavez chavez java's excellent job as a whose besides hatton Floyd not seeing. I would love to see team not seem arrogant ass. Come back he was. I mean he's he's still young enough to like fight as he's not like to not semen roy seaman roy. Yeah all right. C.'mon roy do it. I like to see connor go back. I would like to see kind of do it as a content. Like i would like to see him like. He said earlier this year that he won't like he's actually wanna boxing world title and effect. I like the fact that he went back to his club and to to bring this full circle here Fighting i think i was thinking about this last year and you were talking about. He needs to he needs to go. I think the ufc. We spoke about a and i still don't like him Did exactly what he and the u. of c. Wanted him to do how he funded humbled conor mcgregor. He retired. But you think that's gonna know. He's this morning father man. He's warning his father. I said the same thing. He's not going to seize morning father. that's what he did He humbled conor mcgregor. Not like you know conor mcgregor. The the idea. The the business of conor mcgregor you the guy in front of the microphone that guy but humbled him that two years ago when he was fighting when he was fighting abib port hillock. I knocked poi- in a minute. You know what. I mean now. Six years later they could be like well kind of. I don't want it to be that it's it would would be going to be that he does the The floyd and and My god filipino Manny pacak your. He waited too late in the year to get his. Well ma'am i what about what about mcgregor d. Three you know what i mean and i was talking to a buddy of mine. They're sitting on that because that's an always as an easy money. Grab right but you know what i mean like. I don't want it to be so far away from people were it's not like they keep saying. Oh the ds fights always there right now. He moved up to one seventy and he knocked cowboy around nasa no cowboys a gatekeeper. But you know what i mean like. Yeah we could put you could put she against. Masato is a yeah. That's what i was bigger than him but like he's proved he could fight bigger men right. You know it's just like moscow is an option kamar option form so you know and especially at that young age thirty two when we spoke about forty being the fifty five year old man in a boxing ring looking like you know maybe maybe they could fight you know like the top contenders like maybe they come all right. I i'll give you a run out for for the future dangerous man for two thousand twenty twenty twenty one and ufc punahou. People need to watch for need to watch my guy. Who's doing commentary on fucking on paul feller Does commentary for the the typhi is your body. he's undefeated. he's someone look for not not to look for. I'm saying dangerous. Oh absolutely without a doubt i. Conner is is that season you know. The season resumes for connor. That kid is fucking phenomenal. Donner yeah absolutely. No it's up. Israel tucson yesterday i would like i would like to see where he must will make a comeback. You know what i mean. I think that that performance. I i was at that. Performance was very twenty twenty muscles performance. Very twenty twenty. I like to see another heavyweight title fight Dangerous debt The kid from can't remember his name from the same place where beams from fights out of sweden terrorism. No you see. He fights every like jeez. What's his name. let me go. Let me go quickly to boxing Dangerous guy in boxing right now the heavyweight well the unofficial heavyweight champion tyson fury. He's white and you know. I'm really getting sick. Deontay wilder like you know. It's always those two though. Yeah but he's always like 'cause the rematch is like. I don't know why they just don't make the fight for the undisputed championship. You know. it's like they know. Ooh ryan garcia. He's a he's a he's a up on it what he's a pretty boy you know. He's he's he's the modern day fucking oscar his like but he's good he's actually he's good and d- as well yeah he is the but garcia going gonna wash their fight. Yes yes for your upcoming Who do you wanna see in the ring in two twenty twenty one for yourself. Will you once all this clears out who you want twenty twenty one was i really Robbie eagles bagels still. It used to rubio's yeah. I'm looking for that. You know i. I you know i own one I'm looking at the i know the super junior tournaments going on right now. So i'm looking at that If i stay. I hover around one. Eighty five one. Ninety like i could make that tournament. That's always been a toy. Been a dream of mine to make that tournament. A lot of my heroes ornament. Eddie kingston i wanna see in the ring Someone on the andy. The there's there's no one. I would like to see anthony gang going in the ring. That's most talented guy in the news. Right now the Period not just because he's my friend Just that guy. Stack is pat patterson in his brain. He's that's that's who he is like he's just so good is there anybody out there. On the indies right. Now that i would like to see. I mean i'm gonna brother greatness in a couple of a couple of days because before we wrap up and na w yeah wrestling any any w yeah so any w up in connecticut. I think they do a live show. And i'll be wrestling brother greatness and i'm gonna smack around his protestant ass and shit. I listen law. Forgive me he's had a beaten a long time coming. So but that guy once again brother. And i i appreciate every time on. It's been seven years and they'll they'll be there. There will be more. of course. we'll be so. You always have the open door here you when i get famous. I won't forget about me. You're always famous. Always remember that we're family. And but as always. I say four into your home when the dialysis great up. I don't know why you didn't offer any walked in the door. Got another one if you wanted to go home and bug is as this where we do the roundup for trouble tabloid as well as Hanks happy hour. It's always a pleasure. We could always have this compensation and he's basically you only got i. I really can have this conversation because not only we have our social differences but we have our differences. Whatever but we also come together and have our our our belief that what we do for this show is not only to share with you guys the better better. -ness of what opie common comments conversation is in dialogue is but it's also about the betterment of humanity and thus we do for a profession as as well as for the listen professionalized personalized but thank you sir as always for jibes Appreciated and looking. Great shit i wanna wear snug. T shirt like that as well. You could wear the t shirt. You're wearing now but i'm fat. Stop eating what is social media outlets. Hank flanagan at twitter hank flint. Good hang flanagan on instagram and hang planning on facebook and next year. Damn it we're going to break down why he doesn't want to honor his puerto rican heritage so guys when we come back we have as a matter of fact and that's a wrap so guys are take a good new year. Enjoy your holidays chris. Merry band enjoy a twitter. So aquatic all actually holidays turnbuckle tabloid term buckled tabloid.

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Episode 122: SMACKDOWN 08.26.99

The Jim Ross Report

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Episode 122: SMACKDOWN 08.26.99

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He's doing some ado diligent researcher. He and i when we get to chicago. Which will be sooner than we think. We've got to keep them cheeks looking nice and good right. You're does yeah he's got. The cheeks got the title of the cheeks. I'd tell you what they were counting down the days to chicago just in Milwaukee last night as on the main feed and man you gotta ride hat crowd lately for eighty w anymore jim aspen. Great blessing quite. Frankly takes you back to a different time. Different place quite frankly. It's too many of us. It's very attitude era esque signs and the posters the noise and the the enthusiasm and start to finish. It's just glorious and so You know in rampage has been received well. People people are like what they're seeing there like. They're happy to have a show friday night to kind of kept off the week. I guess you could say so It's all good. You know good momentum. And it's all thanks to fans so we appreciate their support and help build our brand and we're continuing to do that or card every week. I haven't been able to talk to you ed. Jr since Aws in pittsburgh or some call brits berg but i know that was a special trip for you especially right. Yeah know my late. Why town chan with pittsburgh a big steelers fan. All things pittsburgh so i think we i don't even back there one time since she died in march seventeen so It was a it was a kind of at times. Kind of emotional. But it was good to see all the fans their their feedback and their response. And you know to to great days there pittsburgh here recently so i'm just hoping for more to come. Obviously we'd like those big kratz. Yeah i'm I to bring that up on. I'm not far from pittsburg big fan myself. And to see those yellow towels in the energy rampages is underway. And it's off the rails already lots of fun and exciting time to be a wrestling fan for sure. I agree wholeheartedly. Everyday of my life to be arresting fan but especially right now for especially for the younger fans who are too young to experience on a regular basis. The monday night wars as they were happening and monday night raw success and attitude era so forth. So it's a it feels good. It feels right right now. So hopefully we'll continue to grow our young talents and our homegrown talents will continue to grow and mature and get better what they do and then you add a few of these great veterans to the mix to not only help us in front of the camera behind the camera as well. I think tony kahn's building a great foundation for brandis this nearly through growing. So it's it's all good in the tv ratings have been good. I've been very blessed to see that happen. So it's it like you said policy great time to be arresting fan especially should be a fan of everything you don't do other wrestling companies keep from it Just my take on it. Oh school arresting fan. So i like all wrestling and we really appreciate the fans who especially like what we're doing at eighty debut. We'll speaking of new beginnings is obviously. There's a lot of newness rampage. We talked about at work hovering a time. The wwf where there was also something new starting and when this drops on the main feed it will be the twenty two year anniversary of the series debut of smackdown. That's right it's The wwf at started there. August twenty six. Now we're not talking about the very first show of smackdown that would have been april but the series are the season debut. It would have been taped on. August twenty third nineteen ninety nine at the kemper arena and saint louis and then made its debut on television on. Upn on the twenty six august. So jim if you're ready to get this going. Are we ready to fire up the old peacock machine do this today. I think we're ready to go all right. Let's do this so for those of you that are going to follow along with us. Go ahead launch peacock. And you're looking for smackdown. We're going season one episode one. That's where you're gonna find it. And jim i'm going to do a countdown on. When i say play we'll go ahead and hit. the play. button together. Sounds good are right in three two one play. And here we go. We are underway. We have the intro. The infamous russia's a famous world wrestling federation kind. A little blurb video blurb here as we had in jr was hoping you could explain to our listeners who may not know what the differences here between that pilot episode that aired in april and the series debut that was in august. Gosh i'm not sure we i think this show. It really has so many of the collies at all is having a top stars versus top stars Focusing the championships. You know summer slam. It just ended company had a lot of momentum. But i don't think fundamentally different source arresting concern Still going to be star-driven all television star driven day or whatever and So he had this a very star-driven program and got on the network. And i'll tell you this amazing now announcer standpoint missed me. Man was in a mood that night. I remember that. So vividly and i was on. That show was over Was not disappointed when he told me that. Michael cole is going to play next week with lawler. I said sounds good to me. So but because i didn't get paid any extra cash i didn't lose money on the deal. I've been happy to do it. But you know. I had a lot of my plate at that point. In time fall i was executive vice president tout relations you're hiring talent negotiating contracts monitoring the wellness program. I was looking at a live events that all house shows is. We call the The events non televised events and That payroll just keeps on rolling. Nobody wants to late check so and then never happened under my wash. I got paid on time and as fairly as possible but It was a interesting time. And i think we're just gonna try to refine the model all that raw started. Well jim this is the First time the. Wwf is back in this building since the death of owen. Hart did you or anyone else. You talked to have an eerie feeling being back in this building off. Everybody had some emotions some that were not. There didn't really know how to react. Those that were there or or trying to this is some sales from that night to know it died so But i think it was a combination of of a things and conversations but I talked to a lot of talents as i always did. And see the all the posters signs of things very raw like So it the fans always made up for any any Ruffle feathers or hurt feelings are memories or whatever that were needed to be or need to move on from and go to newer grand so it's It was interesting. It was interesting in that regard. So the lawler. And i did that i show and and we did it. You know we we take the show right after all not before and On monday this is on tuesday night as you said earlier. So that's kind of where we are. You know we we just ready for a new adventure to me. It was not unlike any other live. Tv show that i had done It was it was all fine. It was business as usual. The boston seem to think that jars we get into here. it does. you're right. It looks just like another raw crowd. Obviously it's going to take some time for smackdown to find its own identity. But how much were you a part of the progress of putting together this television. Do or was that done. Mainly by vince and kevin done and acura. Well i don't think have done much to do with it. And i i certainly did not either. It was dance and that side of the of the administrative table worked at that. Deal out that tv deal out. So i'm not sure who was all on the team's been so long but Inside a good group around him in that regard and They and he and his crew there in that in that regard were the ones you know launch. This idea. it was a no brainer to me. You know we. We had enough talent to go to shows deep. got us on a network. tv depending on cable. That was a big deal so In any event. I i like what we're doing and i thought this is a this brand. Launched all those years ago and still and now it's in a better place than ever been being on again on network tv on fox so It was getting something big and do not. Only that you said it's network. Tv but in a few weeks you're about to announce you're going public. Yeah well they lot of moving parts right now this thing and of course one of the centerpieces of that those moving parts is triple h and of course china there with him in happier days smiling Because she had gone through so much age self maybe someone say self-inflicted wounds. I'm not sure if that's the right definition or not. But they're rolling out star. There's rock on. It gets bigger than that he has done for those. That are following along. Jim you were you at time. Code y. just make sure we're all sync up here I am at Five thirty eight are perfect. Were sync up perfectly One one of the questions that we had come in as we go through this. Jr was this was put on thursday to destroy thunder. Which was airing on. Tbs at the time and it was already starting to fall apart or was there just really thought to that. I don't think there's any thought that a significant thought there maybe at some casual discussion. And if we go on thursday you might influence Audience to move from bender to our show There's gonna be a lot more star power and a lot more Immediacy and smackdown than it was going to be on thunder thunder other top guys or nitro. And then you get a smattering of that on thursday nights and here on arthur's not you're going to get the best we got so and that starts off. Champion there triple h so And he's he's really coming his own. I i said this many times you know and we did. A conrad added real. Jr on him. And i think you know. He gets a bad rap. Sometimes he gets nailed by critics. I think largely because he married. I don't know that there's sending you can't just look at his work and say well he was. He wasn't aggressive enough. He didn't have good psychology. he didn't look good. Whatever you want to come up with excuse wise. I looked at him. As one of our absolute most valuable players cost east. He was he was helped the or often than not yet some injuries but he was healthy more often than not and when he was he was a hell of a contributor. There's just no doubt about it. And i've always said that this was the top heel and the attitude era and aaa was the top heel and the behind that he was one a so now. Of course we're here. We're just starting this show. We get triple h out there. He said just he's and then Now here's dwayne wayne johnson as he is now known and that was a good way to start to show a lot of star power absolutely. We're coming off monday night. Raw after summer slam where triple h had broken. Your arm jim and won the title for mankind. Did you remember you're actually at ringside during the commentary with a cast on. Yeah yeah what. The ask that was paying the cast. It was just yeah. I remember it was it was a i look back at it. And it's hard to for me to identify with a that wrestling announcer gang get so quote unquote over to a lot of the public that you would do something like that to further along your champions angle and and to influence a championship as it was. Ours was uncomfortable. No roles was always up. My role was best suited to describe. What the audience is saying. And not take any time away from the talents or out there trying to get over and help ac- subsequently draw money and i never thought announcers reminding and i still don't but in any event we we got this thank start off in a good way and my life. Launch smackdown lasted one week. So let's talk about that a little bit. So this is directly from the observer Meltzer says ross and lawler did the first week on smackdown after wwf originally had announced coal. And kelly would be doing the show. And the second week was cole. And lawler mcmahon made the call basically at the last minute because he wanted more back story line figuring a lot of you would be watching the new show and figured ross with his experience could pull it off better or you excited to be part of the debut but knew that you were not going to be on the show for long considering you had michael cole right there or is this something you opt out of over time. I was fine without spine helping out and you know you get called out of the pan. You go out there trying to get your outs and do your job. But i didn't. I never went into it thinking it's going to be a short term deal and it's yours go into thinking well you'll get a week of this and you're out again. It wasn't a contractor issue. Wasn't anything about money. This just wanted to hear different voice. He's a lot of jr And as everybody knows he's not big on southern voices at times so I had no issues with a choir is a blessing in disguise for me to on video. Big time so No i never i never. I've never looked back on that one weeks experiences as a negative one. I can always say. I was the host of the first mac. Now that's right and that's what we're watching right now. For the first time in thirty seven years the national wrestling alliance returns to the chase park plaza in a spiritual home of the nwea saint louis missouri saturday august twentieth executive producer. 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Yeah this This smackdown here's taped the day. After eric bischoff who by the way recently talked about this on eighty three weeks goes into the wcw locker room and realistically blows it up. He shitting on people left and right about their actions in the media and their attitude and basically offers up anybody to get their released. Supposedly some of the wrestlers even called terry taylor while it nitro. What did you know about this. And what do you remember hearing about this if anything i heard about it. Way after the fact call You know The now the show. I didn't hear anything obviously as little busy Even you catch up with the newsletter meltzer stuff and Because dave better contacts day was looking for information. That's what his job is wasn't is i didn't i. Didn't i. Didn't want the information unless it affected booking or payroll or something along those lines It didn't affect me so i was. I was I wasn't overly concerned. But i know that the talent. Wcw saw this starting another show but potentially give them the could to get on the team and play make money. Yeah it was reported. That guys like raven. Billy kidman conan and ray mysterious all ask for their releases at this point after that meeting so it would surprise me. That sounds like a is this a sink list. But i'm sure they weren't by themselves says we're watching This this diatribe year this back and forth. Let's talk about the said it's interesting. It's somewhat different from rall as raw angles in lines. Well smackdown has all its ovals and curves hello curves. Do you know who came up with that. Change as far as the change of the looking concept who was kind of in charge of coming up with this new. Look i think thank god they us. Now i'm trying to think of his last name. Is jason He's tennessee okay And he's been there a long time. So jason was more of an answer. I can't remember his last name But i i think that's a i think that's a use been that he's the guy set design for way over twenty years. We are at the exact end of vince. Russo's run here as he's only with the company for a couple more weeks. Did you see the exhaustion and burnout on rousseau. At this point as you think back to this time. Jim well stress. You could see. He was under a lot of stress. You know he. He liked to be. The only cook in the kitchen is best he could. And that's not unlike any most bookers or whatever you wanna call them He didn't own. I have a lot of people. Seizing this is soup so But you could tell he was. He was getting haggard. And the you know taking a well-deserved break in the action and then Have your resume. But that's not how it worked out. But you know he he he. He got into a groove of he and Ed ferrara routing the televisions. And the kind of did it were on their own and and more often not that. It'd hell good job but they certainly Rented all by bents. It was like they didn't have a filter. they did have a filter. Vince fruit everything that went on the air. So but you could tell. Rousseau is getting a little his his ego says one of my favorite dishes. he was Experiencing the burnt in philosophy. There's a rib river element to that burnt and really good. If you've ever tried to burn in a legitimate barbecue. Place uses a smoker. And they don't deep fry stuff. You'll find bernie answer is a delicacy so i think that's kind of where russo was. He was burnt in an idiot. Tastes as good as it used to. Here comes And where where are you at gm. I had a little glitch with internet. I wanna make sure we're all lined up again where you at time. Code wise on twenty twenty seven or fourteen thirty thirty three fourteen. Thirty three all right. I'm gonna get there with you. Because shawn michaels has already appeared then. Yeah he's he's talking. Yep okay cut a promo all right. There we go and consideration on smackdown live or was this. Just the cost just too much at this point. I think it was a cost issue. Plus it would into our road schedule any favors. We're trying to establish and You know at that point in time. the road schedule was imperative or income and make the boys more money and enhance the bottom line. Cetera et cetera. They're still doing well. So they didn't want to lose that thursday night or hardly as an off day to get ready for friday saturday sunday monday and i think one time we had That they're all scheduled thursday friday saturday sunday. They'll do raw on monday is this a scheduling issue. All and cost costs primarily right. Well listen. I've been asking all these questions because this is a very long promo and really just to catch everyone up. If you're not watching along its triple h. He comes out. It's all the talk about. The office is holding him back. It doesn't really get interesting until the rock interrupts and challenges them for a world total match shawn. Michaels is the current commissioner here. He announces the match. And how he'll be. The referee and then shane mcmahon comes out. Says he'll be the outside referee. So jim we got lots of authority figures. Here sean makes acute comment about shane. Having a four star match at summer slam. sean says. Shane can't do that because he'll be too busy. Rustling mankind tonight jim. By the way this is the last appearance of shawn michaels for a long time in a wwf ring. What do you remember him from that night. Troubled burnt out. Oh rode hard. Put up wet whatever you want. Whatever cliche you wanna use there was never anybody's doubt in their mind. That that shawn michaels if you take ric flair out of the equation. Sean michael is arguably the best ever and He can still be the best ever but his body was hurting. You start to break down You know he picked up some habits that were not to becoming and But he shows issues whenever is work he had a bad back and he had a bad attitude and and both those things needed to be fixed and luckily when he went away or years or so it came back and things have been repaired to the level that he could function in a positive way and be a positive influence the other talents there because when he left he wasn't most popular guy in the locker room so Now as you say you know he's working and inex- t so he's doing exactly what we i visited him to be able to do. I went down and try to go back to work. I never talked to him coming back to work in as a wrestler. I'll talk to him. That convection work as contributor. Some other can really healthy kids. Because i knew that shaw being the show that he is would have been very happy to Do that role and too good at it but then get the itch and if you got him into got him in the gym you whole lot more chance to get into play so I thought it was a risk worth taking and remember. We brought sean back a lot of guys. So why did you do that. He's always been so negative or they didn't know any before that last period of time so well and to it's not when you see shawn michaels back and with the kids working with the kids in annex tea and guys those are the guys that you wanna see. Be able to leave their fingerprints on the young wrestlers. As far as they brought a lot to the game they knew how to do it. They knew how to draw reaction. They knew how to get it done and to have someone like that. Be able to put their fingerprints on today's generation. You can't ask for much more. If i was coming into the wrestling business and was told i get to have shawn michaels as my coach. Are you kidding me. Oh yeah and we you know. We have a similar issue In a w paul. We got jerry lynn. Yes they malingco. Ability gun christopher daniels. We've got a lot of good trainers. I'm probably leaving out somebody but we also expect mark henry. Paul white Our other veterans to take their place in that line of being a mentor. like chris jericho's mentor about five guys. All his people in his faction and plus. He's in charge of his own creative. So we've tried to maximize everybody's skill set. If you're only if you're a one dimensional only thing you could contribute to right now is in entering the cool but a lot of our guys want to do more and once they get the they see how their creator can be influenced by themselves and not the mind of a rider was we don't have any writers so anyway. That's where we are. They're coming up bad. Yeah we had mankind come out. There was a brawl with the rock. Mean street posse came out. It was a slobber knocker. As you would say jim and that fifteen minute triple h opening program. Promo segment is over. That was Quite doozy there But we got some good stuff coming up here with the matches you in un. Jerry you're here at the table setting the stage for what we have. And now i'm seeing jeff jarrett. Who's part of the free shows family. Deborah and miss walking around backstage. Jeff is you know. He's conrad's favorite paul. I've heard he is quite the quite the squats. A love affair. Faint go on lease. Is this fun to very heterosexual gentleman. Unique friendship yeah. I think these things simply irresistible to each other now the robber or song so yeah. I know i know that okay. Real well is Who covered a lot of robert palmer. Hits is tina turner. Oh okay pretty bad stuff. Oh man well. We have our first match here to non title match. It's between billy gunn with china versus the intercontinental champion. Your friend and mine as we just said jeff jarrett as we say by the way. I'm kidding about jeff. We're having fun buddy. They get along. They get along well and the rest of us have fun with that. You know I probably shivani more than anybody yamani. So everybody's everybody's got a little agenda in our drew me. So what the hell. I'm in a commercial right now. You're gonna commercial. Are you know what You know what i see. I came across this with tom. Prichard peacock has different levels of peacock. And i think jar we might need to get you that that high end peacock subscribe will. I'm back at the we're back going on my on my ipad. okay and deborah and jeff jarrett and kitty. That's never a bad spot to start. Yeah they're coming out. There's so i'm twenty two. Oh nine ten eleven. But i can pause in wait for you. That's easier for you behind the costa commercial. All right i'll pause and give you a few seconds. We're still good here. We're doing it live so like live. Yeah i'm at twenty one twenty seven. Are you keep rolling. Just let it play escort the presentation there for for jeff talk of two lovely ladies both had named entity they weren't You know they weren't. And there's no certainly ham and egger says big stars and always enjoyed having stacy carter around here comes. One of our coaches are are agents. And aws mr ass. That's right billy gunn mr ass. Part of a w. He's still looks exactly like that today. Believable as crazy. And i i all kidding about physique all the time but he's a he He trains he eats. He's always eating something healthy. Yeah not barbecue. Jr he doesn't we do know. Well the barbecues if you don't loaded with sugar syrup or sauce sauce smoked meat. That's boring though cleanest way of eaten. It's the cleanest way of eating a protein in my view. You can use that main event monster though. That's carb free. Yeah good stuff. So billion billion jeff than. There's of course the deborah is on there. I see close cashing or lawler's already down two puppies. I knew you were going to go there. We got it. Yep i need to. Paul can catch up so real quick. There was There was something that was held off during this episode was edited out and it was called the blonde bitch project that blue meaning. Stevie richards They were holding a copy of the tv guide with sabe on it saying they're out on the search for her. I guess cooler or better minds prevail. Here jim what do you remember of this blonde bitch project. Do you remember absolutely nothing. Nothing good ideas to memory that you believe. Have heartbeat right those. They've already had their services. You don't need to to Acclaim in any schaefer. Warm by the way. Speaking of ad free shows. And jeff jarrett kurt angle. Another member of the family would do a dark match on this evening. He takes on the california kid and gets the win. You get a chance to see angle on this night or do you remember that at all. Remember kirk coming around to get some answering time before a live audience. Okay but he was unlike. now he's very quiet and he wasn't outspoken. This kurt angle's lot more fun to be around the other kurt angle. 'cause he was so focused. So business Laser focus in He didn't allow his personality. Come out and that was the thing that we we wanted. You know only when he left us a first-time side not to come aboard. You know we were counting on him to have a personality and we thought that he did. He just seemed to be reserved. Maybe just trying to protect somewhat which means he didn't have the confidence in his own gain at that time lord knows he got the confidence. Well here we go. Gun gets the win when china swings the guitar for miss. Kitty hits deborah by accident. Jarrett's distracted steve austin and deborah by the way they're together at this time. Did austin have any issues with this happening with the guitar. Oh he's generally You know it was another issue for steve has to deal with. I don't think he enjoyed that aspect of it. Because you know an awesome came to work is all about work and not everybody else's work you get everybody else's business so That was an interesting way to get out of thing and we have. It's out here. That china who was a here with triple h in the first segment is a complete and total baby face here. Besides you know obviously hitting a woman in the head with a guitar. Is this more like shades of gray stuff from rousseau. You think. I think so. She's got somewhere along the way as like anybody else. All she tell us got they to be declared or your friend or foe and and joanie was just an extraordinary Attraction unlike al. Snow here screen but kidding about alica elza friend. An underwriter an underrated frank. Quite frankly style to guy yeah. He's still getting stuff done on there for ohio ohio valley wrestling for sure yeah. He wasn't happy here jim. He was missing pepper. I'll remember that story line at the time. Oh vaguely do it. Kind of fits blonde bitch thank. Let's just move on then. We have howard finkel polishing chris. Jericho's boots did think like being on screen in roles outside of a ring announcer. I have a feeling loved it. God bless our wonderful sweetheart over human being so how howard would do anything for the wwe. I don't know of any employees. The first employee vince are. I don't know of any employee that was ever as loyal as howard. Finkel this amazing member of the team and you know until He got taken out ring announcing cowardice philippian and all that stuff. I think losing his rig announcer spot affected me more than anything his his announcement of championship winners. There was none like it. Nobody touched it when it came to announcing and knew. He had his own signature stuff. You know it's always ring announcers beginning to learn and they and a lot of mo- emulate howard with that new thing and new. Yeah we're wrestling champion. Whatever yeah his cadence in just the voice and the impact is perfect. It was perfect now. I don't know where you are. You already saint test. I have seen. I'm twenty eight. Oh six i got kane and x pock in my ring and Let me see here. i'll go it again. Twenty eight fifteen sixteen seventeen and looks like the acolytes are on their way to the ring as well and we have an interesting match by the way. It's undertaker and big show. They're going to defend their tag team. Titles in a three way against ex puck kane and the acolytes here up. Are you doing okay over there. Jim this is the problem we do watch. Lungs were on separate internet and everything else says. Sometimes it can be a little tricky. I'm at twenty nine zero nine twenty nine zero nine your little ahead of me but i'm there with you now. I just caught up big show. Just put Xbox and they're doing the highlight package year from last monday. Nice little. I liked those packages because it kinda refresher memory and bring the storytelling out to an. We're here and so they're they are. 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Heatstroke deaths are preventable when adults take the proper precautions. Be safe and always look for your baby before you lock paid for by nitsa. Big show of all white looked good and an aide. Every other night so a piece of innoc- had with the cutie marshall and company. Paul is obviously lost a lot of weight to watching his diet. So many of our guys. I noticed They bring their own. They had they bring their own food as long as they go through the drive through. Its waterberg they're bringing those prepackaged meals and things like that High proteins you know low carbs and all those guys are always saying around the microwaves or they can find one to warm up their lunch or dinner and he's one of those guys breakfast food trying to watch what he eats. Big show man. He looks like he's probably in the best shape he's ever been in at this point. I think so holy cow. What was what was his standing at this point in the company back here back here ninety nine if you do remember big show. Yeah it was all right you know. We're always on his ass about losing weight and getting staying healthy and a fight. Breaks out here in this matchup. This could be a potato fast that there's a lot of live rounds being exploding. And some moyo gonna vase. Ron simmons and big show all white not not on the same team. But they're now they're adversarial again. That's one thing about this friend or foe. Every man for himself keith. Explaining why to specific guys are fighting each other. It may be too much explanation. It may be overbooked over thought. So funny about this undertaker's here commentary was the lawler myself in okay. Looks like he's doing pretty good by itself. Isn't that interesting undertaker with a headset on calling Action with the two of you different you know and it was smackdown exclusive at that point in time so this is a. This is a chop meat past. There's not been one hold applied. But about a zillion punches kicks and big show goes up over the top rope and the dead man decides to clint eastwood and ride into town slowly and do ample damage. And this is exactly what we think. It's a it's a barroom fight inside of a squared circle fists that route that to art resemble life undertaker got big shows face about something in a ring and there's no one on undertaker. Didn't approve of big show is a a kid a lot of guys. Yeah the young her sincerity. Bradshaw a simmons trying to get big showdown. I think one kick. He didn't even feel it. Big boot from bradshaw to Pock here all veterans in the ring together all these guys have been doing it for quite a while and And it can be fun. Watch here but in terms of pride and on you know we're gonna see the close here and they're gonna lose to a one man team. Essentially i guess they would be okay with that right at all in the terms all in all and storing all these guys got along. Well they all were understood. That cooperation was prepared to having a good match. And this good mashed about to end i. I'm guessing you can get as someone who's watched it for and been part of it for so long gym man you. You're able to pretty easily see when something's about the wrap up in terms of the wrestling had oslo here. All the connector dos swell. They go point point. Be my only concern. If maybe a minor went quite frankly. Is that no wrestling holzer using this match there's a lot of punchy kicking so went backdrop. There's nothing else. There's no submission attempts. No nothing because it's all spot spot that would not be my preference. But i understand why it was done and and i understand why that Choke slam probably. Is it so we had a question. Come in alaska now as we as we have the pin. It's been told that the undertaker took big show under his wing and help them become a better wrestler. Was that strictly and undertaker idea or were there other people that mentioned that to him. Hey could you kinda take them under your wing and help them out. Oh what he did. Polly saw future opponent that he could draw money with. So if i want to work with this guy. I don't want to be with this guy gotta help keep better so that our matches whether it be singles or tags are are Are are good their main event quality. So that's what i was doing. He was just in is not being selfish. So that's exactly what he was doing. Well that one came to us from. Jeremy precedes atop guy. Thank you for the question. Jeremy but that makes absolute sense Build them so he can become a really good input opponent. And here we go. We have test backstage. He's pacing around moving right on from one angle to the next and they're stephanie young stephanie. What's magazine a. Who's the on this show all level guys stars. I'm watching big boss man. Come to the rigor right. that's correct. He's met ray trailer making his way to the ring. He's now kind of morphed into the Not the old school boss man. But he's wearing that. That kind of swat team style suit ray. Train raise. Unless you guys are trained with using roadwork. He's a lot of roadwork in his workouts. And i think they've evatt did for him was gave a three hundred pound guy so cardiovascular durance and as part of their strength their game but we ought ray was very popular guy around the locker room very well like everybody. You know i i. I came cross. Anthony was big bubba. Yeah spitball rogers. And he had those mashes in You'd have yes. Dr desi williams and one man gang those guys and it was quite the time. Cowboy loved cowboys. Said there's nothing better on your roster than an athletic big man and so much say all that search has passed passions these guys. It's not that at all like small guys. It's just that. I know that human nature tells me track record tells me that before fascinated by athletic big man and i'm not saying they're not fascinated by athletic smaller guys right but just something physically imposing about a big guy and then one that can move big money. Yeah well at this point ball spans threatening to do terrible things. Jr to pepper if he doesn't get a hard core title shot. Yeah you can say a lot. About how dumb and stupid. This angle is but man big boss. Man is great in. This role isn't he. Just doesn't get jewish materially at work with the song he was. Singing wasn't so great but the lyric that he provided was pretty damn good. It was not a good angle. I mean the dog never got known. The dog was never seen around much. You know pepper was not didn't get over right but here's so to give a program in an opportunity ray trade trader to continue to move up and it moved it gave else no the the opportunity to get a jersey. You're not kidding this is something else. als a great teacher. To by the way all lovie w in louisville. He's got a real good operation there. A lot of a lot of guys asked me about school and kind of where do you live. And if he works for you but anybody that remote area a us at the moment in the lovie w at louisville ee. It's hard to get better training than an al snow. And now we have a cameo by ever come show all the chihuahua. It's one of piss all over boss man. I'm my goodness showed me of footage finish the day of the baker josh. I know it where those bears coming down and wanted us pissing all the way down. The ramp way was going on social media. Crazy the bear because it was the passing of peggy leith and i think the mid atlantic. She recently passed. She's big time with Mid atlantic gateway big fan mid atlantic wrestling and unfortunately she passed but her reaction to that she was there at that venue. when that occurred Was priceless and conrad and tony. Little bit on that but literally. That was the match. I think it was the very first super bowl. Where big josh walk. Those bears down to the ring and the one bare. Just pissed the hallway down the ramp wi- and and none of got over got over this match rowland c. in boston you notice how fast quick ray trader is. I think they call the nfl that twitch speed or something along those lines Raise it just. It was amazing. They lost a lot of weight he did and the law. That was because we started running a lot and a lot of guys. Don't run specifies a ray size because they feel it puts too much fresher underneath. Yeah yeah definitely running's not that now that they have the elliptical on some other options when you think about exercise i don't think running might be one of the last ones. I know i would look forward today on. Water had to hold the dog. We found out the pre pre-trade show meeting come on hold the dog. I don't know you look like a dog person. i guess they had a little black muzzle on it though. Oh yeah sure by by the massive teeth so ultimately boss man's going to get the win here and He keeps pepper. And unfortunately i can't believe i'm about to say this. This means that it's going gonna lead him to cooking pepper. When does this bleed in the bad taste in your opinion. Oh sorry that's already left the the the the office born without a doubt. Yeah having a chihuahua. you don't do issues. You don't do angles on on pro. Wrestling shows with animals are children. Right and We we we played that game. Ray had a show that slapped off his face or putting around the teeth while we're watching this matched gem. I'll ask another fan question. We do this Quick question from kurt. Here kurtz more he says. Did you get any comments or complaints from talent about this new show. Basically being named after the rock or one of his catchphrases smackdown not a lot. Some disparate jealous. They didn't complain in front of him. Rock nobody complained in front of a rock about the show being named smackdown so as worked out. It's been a perfect name. It's been a great name. You could think of twenty other names that you know why not smackdown. That's my question to you. Yeah why not smack now something better. You're on your your time. I don't know. I don't mind yeah. Fortunately the wrestling companies were still able to figure out names for their shows down the road and they seem to work too. So sure here. We go the continuation we have x. Pa kane argument as they head down the the walkway good storytelling put an end. Let's put a period to that at least for now that now. Here comes chris jericho. He's about yeah. Go ahead is yeah. Coast mindset is cockiness. Hasn't changed and you'll see every week lay. Wc at there now or else looking for pepper. He's running like a scolded dog no pun intended. Try to find pepper. So listen jr. And i know this is going to be hard to believe that this is the case here are now coming back out of commercial. We see triple h in the rock backstage but what we are about to To see here. Talk about as chris jericho's n. Ring wwf debut. That's right the guy who went toe to toe with the rock in his debut promo is having his in ring. Debut happened on the first smackdown. He's going to face road dog and by the way road. Dogs presentation is just a little different without billy. Brian ryan got a chance to shine. Ryan armstrong ryan james and he deserves the opportunity and he came through you know he has good. Dna any is brothers. Have all been good for pro wrestling business. Serving their dad was a was an icon of bob. Bob is the opinion of the great southern baby. Say what they look like with these sound like they carry themselves. Everything's perfect will it. Bob just perfect and what a way to come into rustling and getting to wrestle like you said brian james who again that that family. The armstrong had the background should be a fun match year. Insure cho's sister was lit. Debuted is the way he interrupted the rock chicago. We do a lot chicago with aws. So many advances. So many tickets awa ticks dot com are going to be there. It's going to be fun. Yeah that's That's coming up just in a matter of days sunday. September study september five. I don't not wrong now. you're not wrong it's all out. Let's let's listen a little bit of him here on the mike jericho in sale. D oh double g. I couldn't trade your ass pack of cigarettes tonight not do traded wanna whip it speaking it. I got to foia there. We go hot on the mike crowds into it and here comes y two j. Yeah the lighting effect here with special music. Musical special pyro. Especial it from the get-go that presentation help make chris jericho special and It prior to that you know. He can hunt with a big dogs. This is only concern. Jericho was that came. Some of the guys. You know vincent sherry were talking to with that. He was not. He went six three or four and he spell the way he's still not Personality is yeah. He's one of the one of the best absolutely. It's one of the best in the world you can't judge resting star by by inches are pounds because we all know guys. We re reference there were consider giants. They were not andre. Ask and turco's five ten At best a five eleven. But who cares you forget about it. He wrestles big and he was brought young. Good looking kid. Great shape student of the game. Like he is now. If you like any of this stuff that shirkers meant doing on a w he's He creates that content. I think that's when we get guys. They're looking to come here. They get a chance to talk with jericho They hear that this place you to go utilize your own ideas. And i think that's fabulous too many guises show up like a cabbage all head. No rear end as a junkyard. Dog used to say and and they're not willing to risk creative ideas because they don't want to be subjected to potential failure. So there's the baby fae shaina. Well i don't know. I i don't know who's the baby facial. He lives in this. I guess roadlog would be the he'll chris jericho's carrying self kind of has that cocky look to him as he's looking at the crowd it feels like why to jay's the he'll especially i guess coming in against the rock with his first promo but you're you're absolutely right. Jim i mean. I think with the skill set in the ring and then the way they conduct themselves on the mike. Would you agree that they're able. You're able to overcome a lot in terms of height and things like that. Present yourself that way absolutely not even starting a good argument. Well he would have been a great player. It's been a great talent but he was only five ten. I've never heard anybody say that there's good howard hours taken that guy's place. 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What was the story with vic. And why didn't it work out for him. Well we thought he had some Mick bully characteristics of a brawler out of control. Kind of a guy But he he brought with him. A lot of indy wrestling habits You know you don't go out there for big. Tv opportunity in shoes are gonna make you slash slash around like you're on is A lot of little things like that you know. Socially aided fit in real well with a lot of guys. I don't know exactly why and i hired him but i don't know why we you know it was because you russo and ferrara and then they convinced that they could do something. This cat which is fine with me. Look you see something somebody and you won't want to hire them and we get the blessings from the old man. I'll get a deal. That's what i did with vic. Grimes he was going to be a keeper. Unfortunately for him he was. He did connect well with the audience. A lot of the same things i said about other guys get over on. Not none of this. As i said anything about his attitude or his Work ethic or things like that he just. He just didn't connect and he was a unique enough to quote unquote get over during that period of time. You gotta you gotta gotta look at talent. We've already seen here today. Sure hellfire these are stars and road. Dogg sean how good he can be he was he was making good money then too. I'm really happy. I was really run. I think some of those attitude era years. He told me about a farmer rancher. We've awesome acreage. I know that it's funny again. You talk to a guy. Bobby jagger's you tell me about his ranch. Kansas and then some of the boys showed me some pictures. After visiting he had a double wide on a lot. Oh man and that was his range. Yeah to each his own right. Yeah there's a nissan. Any of that deal broken table broken table. And that's it. that's a disqualification. What'd you think about this wrestling. Debut overwhelming underwhelming We thoughts well. I thought that we should have paired up. Chris was someone that the company felt. Good enough about Losing the chris finish. I think god viewing should should certainly get his finish in an established. And maybe guess what chris doing by holding onto the walls jerk over so long much to the dismay of the battling irish timmy white. He's oh yeah. That grew referees. Or darris mike. Yoda it'll hair sergeant. There look like until sars runs from behind. Looks like you weren't a yarmulke big balls thought but there you see those are good real good referee. Teddy long's in there. Like young head mirrors and i thought so so young. Brian and the ten hawaii's admission so that was interesting debut for chris. Now i'm back in a commercial break. Yup we it's or the talking dog to someone. Oregon state farm sweatshirt. You gotta you got. I'm already back into the car. I'll hit pause. Tell me when you're out of it or you. Yeah we're we're doing this live everybody so doing alive. But he's not luck we dry rehearsal. That's all right we had catering and yeah we had a. We had our own that. How can we make that happen. Conrad here on set. Yeah we'd have food. At least yeah. And i would have backed up on her percent. Are you back yet. Let me know when you're back very close right back now. All right showing the replay. And i believe i'm gonna commuted here because i believe we're gonna get a little fun little. Let's see what's happening here. We see a reason to and this ridiculous company. Do you understand you. Look at look at this guy. Yeah studious what does he ever done. Not deserve to be. Shut up when i'm talking to you. What is done to deserve to be in the ring. He doesn't have the charisma. He doesn't have the hair that you have absolutely looks that you have on the fashion sense. Why is he running. Here warhol asinine you should go out there. And this is the best azer. Listen to this is going to be good in the world or one fall france off again. Tony and spreading For howard what is he does he. Was he the wire. So howard finkel runs down the ultimate warrior's music. This is insane. Jail beating his chest running around in circles and so in the crowd or even responding to our coming. After tony jemele. We're gonna lot a lot of howard finkel on this show mary say. Hr what did you think about your fabulous. Our you really think so. oh or are just looking for acknowledgement. God blessing you. Just continue on. His ass was burst the one who decided to use the warrior music. Oh my god schimmel. Just club them we got. We got a fi- taylor. Hard went down in a heat body shots choking him. Jericho has succeeded making a portable howard and along with tony channels to ride along eastern on a makers. This is bringing you back to your days when they three you in the ring Yeah my remember now the night before this. I got my arm broken. So i was an active as it was an active duty in the national guard and i still have. I still the front lines. So is this the stuff. That's super entertaining. Events vince right. Yes yeah absolutely. But the same same time it feeds into the jericho persona is is figured in to jericho's personality is persona and all that stuff. I gotta admit though it is fun. I know we give vince a hard time like he loves to see. Two guys aren't supposed to do it do something like this. It's a little bit entertaining. It was entertaining. Yeah see here's the thing here's the key about that Is fine if you don't see it every week right now. I'm not interested in seeing it every week. i'm intercepting this guy. Every week. ken shamrock. Yeah ooh he's he's he's of. He's he's a beast. How convenient sham jericho and shamrock bump into each other and all my god jericho is sending finkel after. Shamrock hours almost winded. He's got a death. Wish hard are cutting a promo shamrock. Is i'm so glad. I have not seen this price since it was originally on. Tv are good job of selling here. this interlude. Our of course is back. Stern and jerko being the he'll that he is striving to be in an unfair advantage. And there's something very very dirty. When he's fat all over shamrock and howard again is running up that ramp or ties. Thought he would is entire life. There shamrock legit so this this angle ultimately went quickest shamrock was not long for the wwf. Year was the hope to put jericho over strong on shamrock to get them going. You think i guess so a quality win. Yeah there's ways of doing that tore you know. Here's the thing when you say that in today's world he will say you're automatically featuring a guy or you're slowing down his push the almighty push by the way sticking push push shirts boxer dot com and this shirt right here. I love that one. I'm gonna add to my collection. Some more of these chicago knocker. As there you go ever cumbrian finch no africom being fitch for those listening and not watching along and Stephanie isn't ring and she looks very schoolteacher. Here i must say that she very conserved today. She's got the teacher skirt and the nice in a shared up to the neck and the loafers and here comes test and his black pants. Megan is way down to the ring. Shown off those dimples and we're going to have a little bit of a interaction here. It appears this is the entertainment side sports entertainment. Some people really like it except people really don't after weeks of finally she's finally accepting tests proposal for marriage with russo. Leaving not long after this. Did this unfold exactly how you knew. The original plan was triple. H getting in there and marrying stephanie. Was that the. I had no idea what the original plan was ball again. I don't need to know these things he guys like you. That are fans your your for knowing more. It's just that you can't help it. I understand meta. Yeah but i didn't kill shit because it didn't affect me. I was gonna call what. I saw the monitor so i don't know what the result was. But that's better for us anyway because we want you to now we want you to react to it. That's what i think. And so i will not no one finish chicago. And that's what that's what makes it more real when it comes across the screen and we have a lip. Sasho make out sash as the kids are going on. Between past and stephanie and here comes the Two very powerful. If locks rights there there was an haircut. The main street posse yup. Shane mcmahon and they are tearing apart and trying to get to safety guys rodney. What was test potential in your mind at this point. Well i don't know if he had the potential to be as good as he looks He had a certain point where he kind of Leveled off and there's a lot of ways you can look at why that happened. I know nick foti knows thought. Share you hit murphy shares. I guess anybody. wwe history. so it's a. It's a family dispute on the outside about Chains intervention releases potentially new brother-in-law. We had may kind make his way down to the ring. Oh yeah yeah. We were jamming about fifteen characters. Thirty minutes segment work here. It's vince russo. Crash tv at it's finest and the stooges a mankind brawling against shane and the posse. And i'm assuming this is the shane versus mankind match that they promoted earlier. It's about to go down here. Mixture getting really hot about that time. Yeah and shame was doing with all good heels. Dude they retreat they regroup and you don't rush thanks so now we're looking at somebody's head. Someone's head isn't police steel chair. I guess you'd to delay the man you got a perfect head. Print on seat steel chair. Well i'm going to bring this up now. I think this is a good point to do so at the moment. Smackdown debuts have the wwf with raw and smackdown jacked and various other magazine shows. Wcw has night show and thunder saturday. Night and various indication shows like worldwide. Then you got ec w their debut in on tnn the very next night by the way and still running their syndication shows just two weeks ago. Eighty w debuted dynamite in pittsburgh. When is too much product over exposure and is this a fear you have with dynamite and rampage. Both being on the scene de film debuted rampage two weeks ago that yeah a donna has been around. i just think it's it's good for the fans. I mean you select what you wanna watch and if you're not going to watch something you don't need a cut promos on on social media why you're not watching Just leave it alone and support everything as i mentioned earlier just so much easier to promote what we all from while we all love and not take a political stance often looked at that thing at the same thing about getting vaccinated. It's become a political issue. And for what reason i have no clue i really don't know now they're over amongst lawler and i it can. Shane lawler led to get involved. He's lawler mess rather wrestle on a show broadcast one. It rather be in the opening wrestlemainia that call wrestlemania. The nice thing about mc. Nick always made shane look better than shane. Skill level was at that point in time. That shows you how good it is breaking down an opponent in the best out of them. Don't take them take them anywhere. They can't return from the us. Executing chang could take a flat back bump really really well and you're seeing a great deal those slap back bumps now this this Issue between these two guys. There's a there's no doubt about a flat back bombs and man. The guy became an as continuing on in his career. Just became known as a human highlight. Reel and a bump machine. How much respect for that kid up to me to tell you is is taught well by the late dominant. Domenici just passed away several days ago. That was mixed coach. Test is backup. You'll get a chance to become a hero. And even the odds here. They come patterson gerald brisco and they're throwing fests thing about it patterson even he wasn't sixties. Here i'm guessing late fifties. At least he can still punch at new. Which tells us a consummate worker. Stephanie is gonna rear naked choke on peak gas. Live here at jacksonville by the way Okay Test coming back in chain dropping something in arm elbow of this on the on mic announcer. Saying there's accident everywhere and of course we're supposed to say and this why this back down or something like that. Just let it happen so let the audience dictate who they're gonna cheer not going to cheer. And of course mr salko. It's amazing i merchandise. She said when he got a great idea. And there's nothing more than a tube sock in with a marker sharp your bill now if you're keeping score at home china runs. She's back now in the he'll roll distracting as triple h would use the chair on. Mac and shane would get the win. That's the crazy part trying to keep up with all the you know all the creative here that's going on. I think that's to my point earlier talking about all the shows and all the content and keeping everything coordinated and flowing the right way probably a bit of a challenge. Mrs upset that you know that. Lauren i worked telling the stories. You wanted to hear especially me apparently We always knew that he ripped my my ass. And i wouldn't care but he he dare not ever do that to lawler because a lot of did not take an ass very well whatsoever. It would not have been around long. That occurred cheer. Cheer howard or leaving in a taurus. The doors are locked. Jericho got away. Finkel did not. And i'm assuming at this point. Shamrock chasm finkel. Probably just shit himself and didn't network debut On tv is often running when someone shits himself and that's exactly what happened as he fell down. Did you get to a commercial. Are you getting a little doggy. Tree commercials in just got their little commercial here all right. I'll hit pause. We're fine or an our and six and forty to see. Let me what are we. What are we watching. Now's a state farm or dove okay. Now we're back. we're back all right. Let's get a gallon there talking to me about an energy drink here on smackdown. Ten ten to two zero. That's me okay. Line here and i think we're going to get something interesting here showing a replay last sunday night at summer slam in its triple h taken that steel chair to austin all over those knees. Yes that's evil intentions. That's a very brutal game plan. What triple h is dinner. That steel chair against the beloved stone. Cold steve austin and as you pointed out smart. It's about the knees the legs and all that stuff. Now i got michael cole chatting with stow-n-go this yeah let's listen a little this darn russell. A after the matches over the attack was still chair. Only make things worse. So i'm out of action here for a little bit but i'll be just fine with some rehab your mother and whatever it takes Hunters sale to pay. When get back. Steve triple h on raw this past week. Beg to differ. He says he'll never ever be the same again. Could he be right now. I think that's a big bunch of both. It ain't for aaa sa- say whether i'm going to be the same or not it's only up goes to your boss to go out there and do the rehab and do what it takes to get back in that ring. And then i'll decide if i'm one hundred percent or not but i'll tell you this and triple h will know exactly how far along are how good this knee is when the bell rings. I mean he'll get in that ring again for the wf tile and i'll show him firsthand exactly what kind of condition that this is. Because i'll kick his ass all around that ring and take his little belt province and had a damn thing you can do about it in triple agents had this series moon streak as blake very vicious the past from the mets. Many people say the. You're to blame that. Triple h is taking a page out of your playbook. Let me say about that if you took my book. I think it's just fine. Because i i think i have influenced a lot of people and nobody knows better than me that it takes a main son of a bitch to get to the top to the world wrestling federation so still a page out of my book. That's just fine. The fact of the matter is here and read the whole book. And like i said when i get his ass in that ring stone. Cold steve austin is going to beat his ass. And that's all. I got to say about that there. We go great promo short to incised sound. Byte he'll pretty cool stuff. We even saw the highlight package. It showed your injury From triple h. I know decided bad day at the office. Well here we go. It's ivory of our heroes all and and they're showing some highlights here and she's tugging and pulling at clothing area believe against tori and at summer slam both tori and ivory were big resources and assets and During this period of time they were experienced in ring performance and they were unselfish enough to pass along their knowledge and their patients and their teachings to the younger ladies. And that was very very important. Tori had tori at a great run into fan before we got her. She has some injuries she had was not really unable to overcome. This is a this. Is the evening gown. Match between touring ivory batori is not interested in having it because she's just wearing a shirt apparently The statement is that she's naked under the shirt and As vince russo on acid trip. Or what's going on. I don't know maybe just likes Scantily clad Abilene that's been well documented. But we're on its Clothes yeah they gonna snap mayors for their hair higher. You're close reading there are there. Are there the dress is being ripped off tory lane in some some good punches. There's i'd scrape from ivory on tori and who is a referee. None other than senior official. Mike yoda oh mike. Yoda referee. i'll tell you that a big part of the ad free network iraq tea is does the mailbag every other monday. And the where. I'm at jim. The dress has been ripped off a tory and she's down to the proverbial braun panties as they say irish irish down to her under. Thanks and here comes luna luna has entered the fray and jumped on. Tori's back the longer they come the crazier they get and that matches learn by the way. Excuse me linda's also those ones that It was a that. Had the compromiser in ring skills to help these other young women so Was there any Was there any with the move the network. Okay so we're on network. Tv now. Was there any talk about toning down the product or worrying about advertisers. At this point i know the pt. See the parents television council. And that's all about to start to take off anything on the show. We're just won't to be smarter. And i don't think this i think this is. I'm not sure. I believe this was a t g show and the raw was rated r. So i think along those guidelines is kind of what we followed raw was going to be edgier then smackdown and stayed that way pretty much report lillian. Lillian looks like she's getting this soaring. All this information she was still. She was the backstage reporter there. She looks just worked on two years ago. Yes she worked away or rewarded with jot. And of course. Sean and and and wayne shawn michaels is about to make his way out here. And we're coming in now the take you to a break again or are we good Or we're good okay. L. snow is going to tv trump. Yes are trying to let me still looking for peifer bliss and normally they hired they hide tefron. Tv truck l. There goes test and stephanie. And they're all being congratulated by michael. Cole and jimmy cord arison earl. Hefner all being d-d-dan congratulated and here. We go sean. Michaels makes his outweigh out to the ring. And what may be considered the tiniest shorts possible attitude. Naushad was gonna tell him what to do. I don't believe they're regulation referee. Shorts but it shawn michaels right. So we're going move Shit he's gonna wear wherever you want. That's right this is on shawn. Michaels wrestling academy shook t shirt on a little business. That's right. We sent talents this way to train. Which by the way. I do love where every opportunity you get sometimes on a w when you throw out the old pa father's name think a few weeks ago. Tony made a lot on. Pack your comment and thank you chimed in with a conrad thompson. Reference was fun. Yeah well you know on red likes it. Sloan shit if you've been listening to grilling jr for long. 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What a way to kick off smackdown though when you think about it you have triple h versus the rock dwayne johnson in the main event with shawn michaels as your guest referee abet. That's like wrestlemainia Main event nowadays surreal good First outing for smackdown cavaliers game face on. It looks good raider roll well. Let's do this gym. While we're waiting doing all the big entrances and now here comes the rock. Let's go back to some fan questions here so we can get all those in this week. Gill bold berg. That's right gilbert writes. In and says was vince russo. The only person who complained about the additional workload or was it was for creative. That came with smackdown or were there. Others behind the scenes who were vocal. Would've told it was to work on an additional show remember he was a salaried guy the talents that were working another show getting paid for another show wage so naturally they wouldn't have as much complain about because they're they're they're making more money and that's why they're here so i don't know that the talent so much as if there's any complaining affected by loss was pure to four regular day off or something i don't i don't know but Triple h had triple h never complained about nothing. He let the market work better but the bottom line is all. The talents are getting paid for their efforts that they're booked at a tv if they were used or not. They got paid there on the pay she gotcha and that saved a lot of trying to kill us working all these days. Because they're fred assessors immediate Alumni that we're we're coming in Or their tell you what they were working. Three hundred days a and so the scheduled a lot then now that it was. Then as. we're watching this. Jason bayless would ask This the sunday before this they did the injury angle with austin which cast kept him off the first show. Was there any concern about doing the inaugural show without him. Yeah always but we do have them on there on on tate are thin yet. Pre-tape whatever you wanna call it And we knew he would be healthy enough to resume normal activities sooner than later so i risk it. And that's why you saw. So much of the heavy loaded matches featuring rock and triple h shawn in there now referee. We've had a match with mick foley. We've had that undertaker siding so all of our top guys were getting airtime so everybody was getting getting a chance to maximize their minutes. If you will and You know aaa really did a good job helping china with her. He'll game. She's doing things behind shawn's back. The referee took the heat off him a little bit but more heat on the villain cheating to get an unfair advantage. Fill mail and writes in and says jr. What's really the issue between rock and h k. Why was it never resolved. I didn't know there wasn't issued. Maybe some read online. I don't know they may have philosophical differences. That's nothing unusual whatsoever in this business other other than that. I don't hurt off now okay. E. pd's is up next and we were going to say something else is just it was just simply a matter of You know let things play out but if we'd had a match between undertake excuse me sean. And and And rock it would have been off the page and there's a there's a suplex just taking a suplex on steel on steel and that's all right. Lotta guys wouldn't wanna take that bump. There's no easy way for it to go down. Well they know how to fall. Well they did. They know inertia on steel. Give me a break. You can't fill the nursing buddy. So yeah it is what it is. They're they're gonna. They're taking risks away from the sanctuary of canvas in iraq ear. Pedis once has a question are for your. Pd's yeah he said. Eric bischoff said he signed talent due to the addition of thunder. But he also intended for it to be. Its own brand. Did you make any roster signing specifically because of the two more hours of tv. A week on smackdown. If so how many who didn't it didn't make any specific higher. We're just trying to bulk up the rauscher. The quality talents Because we're doing two shows a week. We just need more. Would even more live bodies. Live healthy bodies. So that's all that's that was the always hope that somebody's getting hired because need more or death but she also the same thought process. Hope that they're gonna get over and they're gonna come star with the increased opportunities instead like jericho came in at a great time. He's just gets announce introduced the whole clock interrupting the rock etcetera etcetera. And so all of a sudden he has a very impactful debut and he did it over. We have Shawn michaels throwing china out throwing her telling her she needs to head to the back. No more interruption from her caught or the low blow there. Yeah if we said that or not near the commentary shawn's following on the heels of governor ventura as a referee. So he's going to make sure he looks good and now triple h try to intervene. He didn't want. China is a big asset to be taken out of the equation. That's what's happening right here. Speaking of her as a big asset for triple h anthony. Paul don has very timely question as we watch this he said this was my favorite version of triple h in china. Do you believe these two stayed together. In real life they would have stayed together and story line to. Whose idea was it to split this version of these two well. It was Interesting question in order for them to get along no matter what anybody says. As a pair on tv as a unit on television they still gonna get along communicate to some degree and I'm not sure that existed considering the shape of their personal relationship and how badly joanie was hurt when that relationship ended and again. It's just live man. What about wrestling at this is about their personal lives. And i just told myself out of that equation. Though i've met with joanie same elite ever television. She's wanting a new contract winning a lot more. She wanted austin money. so That was important she wanted. She believed that she was deserving of austin money in any and the irony there is is that we were not going to guarantee her austin money because there was a different value there Were rock took a good irish. Whip out there So i don't know i i. I like I think that they to stay together. They had to get along somehow some way in and i don't know that they could have done his final question which is interesting one as well again. This is from anthony. paul don. He says your opinion was triple h character. Stronger with china or stephanie. In your opinion well. China had more attraction lookie as more traction looking and she could wrestle more and more as an attraction in terms of just being on life. Yeah yeah and of course. Stephanie became an attractive because she's not going to be an everyday wrestler. Now going for the cover. Here's triple h sean got down. Look both shoulders. Go to look mechanics. But i thought i'd go with china. Probably just because the fact she could take big bumps and she could. Trip distract. Bobby trip distracted. Pass to do that very well. But that certainly is not a a this stephanie's ability to be that other person with triple h once they got married and it was album out of open they they were really a couple and they were really married Then business picked up there for them because now it's a whole different entity to evaluate but until the marriage i would say certainly that china was Cause for special look her gender that look like that all those things. was really important. H with china and they may be then the corporate aaa. She think with stephanie. I think so something. All those lines there both guy. Well he was very smart about who he aligned with what he did you know Aligning with the new age outlaws. The x. thing was very timely. A very observant. They're just. They're having a basic match that hotshot eddie gilbert like finished hotshot shane distracting route getting a near fall and slowed laid. Can't wrestle maniac. Rates says was the idea of doing a brand split ever discussed back in ninety nine in order to keep the product fresh. I don't know you just don't go out and say we're going to put our show on your station. It's a process. Everybody doesn't want rest today. Today's television world is seemingly that everybody doesn't want wrestling and there's a either a network or are streaming service. Or nothing the mix it all work your noggin. Or as we call it the rock bottom by the other great one. I don't know that there's any serious discussion ninety but It was an idea that was going to happen when it happened. It was still remained to be saying there's a great screw job deal thereby we didn't see coming rock looking at it off the people's elbow you got kicked in the face. Second time you spit on somebody tonight. I think while the voice spitting yes. Sean turns gets the super-quick kick aaa gets the win. Retains the title and there. We go got heat on the referee era. Amazing super kick. You got triple h using his spinach so all of a sudden you got john. Triple h shane out there. So all the bad guys gathered up cheated and they leave with the title a lot going on there. Yeah so there's a lot of ways that skin that that cat. John look very happy right there. Because he's got back in his element. Here comes china. She joins in. You have like this. Dx corporation mix and match you got china triple h shawn shane and That's all this is going to go off the air with them standing tall celebrating in the middle of the ring down. Go yeah heat and go off with a little bit of controversy any hope you go off with people talking. I was talking since chairman of the board. Not long after. This is action meltzer. Speculate that the turn sean was to really give triple h that top guy rob. What do you say jim. that's logical. Yeah that's logical. Sean was before john was over more. And the other sean. Gay triple h was invaluable. The great one will will gear up on fight another day. We're back next week on thursday night. Smackdown well jim. The debut of smackdown draws a four point one six rating a seven point two share from the observer while summoned wwf. Expect minor disappointment with the numbers. Can you believe that. With a four point one six rating. It beat out four point. Oh that the highest rated show of the previous week on. Upn delivered of course with all the millions spent by upn and hyping smackdown as the savior of the network. It was expected to be by far the highest rated show on the network. Upn during the two hours finished in fourth place among the networks behind nbc's traditionally strong shows abc and fox but beating a preseason football game on cbs and wb. it didn't come close to being the third highest-rated primetime show of the night. As vince mcmahon had predicted it would thunder. Which did nothing. To counter program. The debut of smackdown going with ben wa and saturn vs it and rick steiner main event and little else against wwf triple h versus rock. Total match fell to a one point nine four rating numbers that are expected to fall even further in future weeks. Was this a disappointment to your those in the company It wasn't this to me. I thought we got a pretty good number on it. it undershot. what some of the projections were. that's all they were projection Yeah i thought that you got a good number in any any did the next week but nonetheless I thought he did a good number. And one that we can all be proud of and it was a fun first voyage on this for my career longevity of my career doing one show a week. It was a of a lot better doing two shows. A week has nothing to do with You know your work ethic or get lazy or whatever you got you can. I can focus more on primary show that i was working on monday night raw which is still which was the flagships show. I don't know if they're still the flagship show. But in any of that it was then so i can just focus my energies as far as the broadcast was concern on that show and nothing else and network for oil so and i also was producer going forward after this week to the announced talent so i still kept my pause in the knicks and stated attuned to the town story lines and so forth so It was pretty. it was a good time i enjoyed. I enjoy even august said earlier. I have no remorse. I was only on the first episode. If i'd stayed. Who'll but i didn't need to stay to be happy. And i'm glad i made the right. Call michael cole. Who's now the league guy. I think he in patna could be doing a hell of a job on smackdown Are they in a. I'll put our three team On on dynamite. Against anybody's anytime. I've been working hard to find a three guys at jail in a three man booth like we do and i'm reluctant to be part of that. Yeah you believe it or not. Jim the raw after this. It's move back to an eleven. pm. Start time because of the us open and guess what it's still beats nitro in the ratings. Yes that's right. It's still beat the clock nitro in the ratings. That's how hot. Wwf is at this point so there we go crazy time in wrestling for sure it's been unmatched probably until now about now. This is this is the next big wave as what's been going on in the last several months or so it's good though. Yeah good buddy. Everybody should take advantage of all these other companies. Don't need to be worried about what the competition is doing. They should only be worried about what they are doing. And perpetuating the growth of the genre. In general i wish we could see more of that. But in any event We said this over and over is damn good time to be a wrestling fan. Well jim we have two more questions and then we're going to wrap her up for this week. This has been a lot of fun watching the first smackdown with you once wrestling and one's sec football-related so there you go do you think of smackdown. Never happen vince. Russo would have never left the company. How integral integral was russo overall. To the wwf. In your opinion that came to us from race well did a great job For a long period of time there but in that position it's very volatile it will consume you no doubt about it. I thought that his is an was coming to was approaching and up personally against him. I have nothing in the world. Just ministry so You know he's he's. He's created another life for himself of social media so forth with all of this podcast and the shows he produces manages. But i just think it going to happen to anybody. Roussel anybody else. You know bill watts at this thing. He got a new book about every other year. Whether the guy was doing good then he russ about the and that could maintain that momentum If if the booker wasn't doing well house day then that person was on a shorter leash so I don't know that. I don't think i i. I guess i'm saying. I didn't see russo at this point in his run there for a lot longer it was it was the work load was automatically getting to it and he had two riders ready to shows. They were taped on consecutive days. I don't how how you do that to to devoted brains voices to this one show or these two shows and their take twenty four hours apart is down near possible to manage so i think a great run and and he did a lot of good things as i said but i think the end was. The hen was knocking on the door. And i i. But i also think that would happen to anybody just. Can't you know i. I get concerned then. I get unconcerned. The shows well. How long has tony kahn or go to bill. Stay here for all you know he. He writes our tv shows. So how long is that gonna be too poor. Tony burned out. But what i say. He's the energizer bunny. He's not gonna i don't see. I don't see any lessening in his attitude or is motivation so it's just different people different time so but i. I don't see two guys riding to to our prime. Primetime shows that are take twenty four hours apart and being able to give due diligence. Pay attention to both brands equally and they said well we could have done it but we needed more money. That's bullshit yeah. We all need more money. We all need more money but the bottom line is you don't want to food bodies to minds Right in all this content is not good management. It's not a good system somebody gets sick. The fluid much less lived a data kobe. Times it's just hard to believe that that was happening and it finally they. They got into the run. They actually walk their own. Plank makes total sense last question. Doron birdwell house. Jr feel about his sooners. Joining the sec. I love it a locked. From macrey. After i i heard about it. 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Episode 284: Bruce Prichard: In His Own Words pt. 2

Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard

3:51:36 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 284: Bruce Prichard: In His Own Words pt. 2

"Hey conrad thompson you're listening to something to wrestle with. Bruce prichard bruce. What's going on man. It's a very special black friday addition of the show here and a lot of podcasts styles or taking the week off and they've got something in the can the main. We're typing something brand new. Despite what all the rumors. Innuendo our shows not in the can. I'm sick and we're still power and through roll tide man was vader the man they call vader. That was our topic last week. I got a lot of great feedback on this when bruce. What are people saying you about it. It's crazy because i just got a lot of positive feedback for the most part. I think that is due to the simple fact that the host of this show does research. That would rival. Well i can't say rand mcnally because that's the matt people isn't it encyclopedia britannica there. There's one for the books now. We have wikipedia and the internet back in the day. We had the encyclopedia britannica. But conrad does his homework and is extremely thorough and for the most part. That was a compliments that i got on it. And i'm very appreciative of that. And we we love it. We listened to all of it. And if there's any loose ends we leave. We try to address them. But i really didn't get any. I did have a couple of lucienne. I miss somehow. Unable to apologize. Vader came back in two thousand five very briefly for taboo tuesday. Two thousand five. Jonathan coachman was supposed to square off against stone. Cold steve austin and in his corner he put gold. Dust invader kind of have his back. That wasn't the best showing for vader. But he was there and then. I'm sure we'll talk about this. Another point austin gets wind that the creative would have coachman going over and suddenly. He's unavailable for that show So he becomes unavailable. Batista steps in batista has a match with coachman vader's involved and that's it for his swansong He did briefly do Appearance where he was taking on With the other. Deputy legends heath slater a few years ago but nothing really of substance. The only other thing that we missed buzz scott hall and this was something came up on a message board. A scott hall had asked about going japan when he was trying to renegotiate his wwf. Deal to try to see if those away he can make more money. He approached and sunset. Hey you know. What can i do for like incomes plateaued. Is there an opportunity for me to do something else and been assured in the no he was doing everything right and he countered with half. I'm doing everything right. How can i make more money. Various explanations back and forth and one of the things that he asked for. If you believe the rumors window was the scott wanted to work in japan and thought. Hey if i could get some time off here. That would free me up to go have some dates in japan and offset the income. The he felt lucky should be making but he was turned down that request. And the reason this topical now and here is that what happened in late. Ninety five or early ninety six at the exact same time that vader was working out a deal with the wwe that would include some trips to japan. So what say you bruce. You're there kind of walk us through. What the fundamental difference between estimator and no scott hall would be well because they were asking for two different things and scott hall was looking to be able to go to japan. And do you know three to five week. Tour is a couple of times a year and vader was looking to be able to go over and work with our approval. And when i say our approval we also were approving the opponents that was going to be in the ring with and they weren't going to be long weeklong to three week long tours. They were one offs and we had to approve. Everything scott was looking. Go over there and do Tour i and that was something that we wouldn't be able to approve his opponents every single night of the tour and the chance of him getting hurt at some point and not being able to perform for us on the backside with something that you didn't want to do but being able to approve. The opponents for vader indoor send a match did japan. It was a different situation. American stars have been rumored over the years to of made ten to twenty sometimes even an excess of that thousand dollars per week on those japanese tours. Does that number hold water with you. Top guys did without a doubt okay. before we move on anything you want to have like. I listened to mention the vader. Taboo tuesday thing any specific memories about reaching out to vegas and two thousand five for that. Was it always planning to be a one off was it. Let's see what he looks like and see what we can do from here and he showed up heavier any recollections as to why that didn't do more no it was strictly as one off. It was just kind of a special appearance a one time thing. special attraction type deal so there was no plans to use him beyond that and sometimes those things are you bring people in for a one off and they blow you away in a good way we may go back and say Let's bring him back and do something with them. Obviously that didn't happen with bater that time this is a housekeeping a complete show and nothing but housekeeping from our most downloaded show of all time. It really was our most downloaded show of all time and man we play. The hits antena was a hit for us. So we're going to go back to What brought us to the dan so to speak and i'm excited. Only they could have as many viewers as we did downloads and they probably wouldn't be doing so bad Main high but true okay cruel but fair This is going to be the third time we have taped tna partake. We did the first one when it was fresh. I still think we're probably should've kept that one. But through some arm-wrestling. I lost that bet. And now we're doing it for the third time so that we're doing. We've done this this many times. Because we're a little scattered Because there's so many little loose ends so we're gonna try to play the hits and we're gonna hit the high spots it's going to be a little bit of a word association and we're just gonna hit on some of the hot topics and let's get into hot one right now. Lots of rumors. Innuendo we tease. We were gotta talk about it I got lots and lots of direct messages and text messages and private messages about this. Nobody wants to talk about it in public But on the message boards mayhem. It's there let's talk about sex bait be in tna and there's lots of rumors and innuendo kind of want a rapid fire some of this and just have you kinda set the record straight to be clear everything. I'm about to say as rumors. Innuendo i was there. I don't have any firsthand knowledge of anything. I'm not saying anything happened. I am simply espousing rumors. And innuendo to bruce so he can shit on it or verify it. We've done this forever. But i feel like when we're gonna talk about sex people get a little more sensitive so here we go Bob ryder is a name that has been floated around. Not have sex with bob ryder. Okay next name. Barbara has lots of rumors and innuendo. That would link bob rider with certain talent and some adult activities in the early days of tna whether it was the naturals or Chris harris or abyss or the young bucks. There's a variety of names that are linked there and i'm not saying anything happened at all. And then all of this is a complete and total bs but haters gonna hate rumors. Going to grow. Rumors are going to be rumors. What what did you see. What did you witness. What did you have firsthand knowledge of. What can you confirm it or not. Well i'll tell you what witness. And what i have firsthand knowledge Is that bob. Ryder worked tirelessly busted his ass for the company and did a great job at what he did. And you know. I heard the same rumors but when you look at it is the total picture and all will stayed in bob's room people room people able to share hotel rooms folks. It's a cost cutting measure and when guys are on the road and maybe they don't have the money to be buying a hotel room. they double up. You know mick foley. Those guys slept three four five to a room to save money over the years. And bob ryder. I always found about rider to be nothing but professional bus disase and was always very good to me so i never witnessed anything any of the stuff that you said. So premiere world view. This is all just rumors from my for my views on strictly rumors. Yes i had no idea. There's truth that you'd have to ask the other people involved in that when i just mentioned that to you. Was that the first time you've heard that before. No i've heard the rumors before. I i've definitely heard rumors before addressed it with bob when i first started there. What does that number sound like. The conversation sounds like hey man. I've heard these rumors about you. I've heard that You will sometimes ask is for favors for a push. You're not in a position to push anybody. He was the travel man and he wasn't inner a creative position to book and or push anybody anyway and he said he denied the rumors. He said that wasn't the case. I have to take his word. And i never found that to be an issue when i was there. So from my vantage point with bob aid was straight up and i didn't have any problem with in in regard to any not even anything close like that while i was there. What what do you think causes bob ryder to have a negative reputation online because it seems like there's a lot of a lot of folks who dislike him. Who haven't evan probably ever met him. Well sure i mean. There's a lot of people that hate me. That have never met me and okay. I know go ahead. You're gonna say well bro. Come on you know But it's the same thing is because of the position he was in he. He was in a position of perceived power right now. I guess he's in a position of power. I don't really know but a lot of times it's easy to pick on a guy you know you and i've talked about this before where when I'm gonna use your analogy. I'm gonna steal your shit now like when baghdad. Everything's the statue of saddam. Hussein is coming out in the background. bob ryder standing out in front. Saying nothing to see here folks. All that has been the position that bob writer has unfortunately befell with tna standing for his company. Just as you and i would His official title. I believe is director of talent bookings and travel. I don't know that for sure but he certainly has more power than just being a travel. Now But i wanted to hear that from you because there's a lot of people who believe that. The dude sleazeball But you have different story. You're of the mindset. That knows a pretty good pretty good hard-working dude. Yeah okay let's Let's talk about who i consider to be. Mr t. name self. Mr jeremy barasch Barasch has always been a guy who's People are cold on on barasch. What was your experience with. Barasch what did you hear before you got there. And what did you find what she were. Actually there on. Jeremy ashville stooge. Jeremy barasch was you know jeff jarrett's right hand guy and you know went and told everything that went on no matter what it was and and i'd heard not great things about jeremy barasch for i actually ever met him upon meeting him and having the opportunity to work with jeremy barasch. I found him to be an invaluable person for tna the hardest working man in that company. He did everything. He was an announcer. He did Helped out on the internet stop. He ran camera he produced. He just did if there was something that needed to be done. No questions asked. Jeremy morass should do it and do it well and it took a little while to to get to realize all of that because i thought well what the hell jeremy boris joan that and i realized that bore did it because no one else was doing it and it needed to be done. Jeremy also produced a lot of stuff on his own he would go out and make things happen in a hardworking guy proud to call him a friend and he's one of those people that will succeed no matter where he is no matter what he does because he's a hardworking guy. They think if the will ever runs off and tna. He would have an opportunity to work. With jeremy i think it's sad that the hasn't had that opportunity yet because he would be a hell of an asset to the wwe and at the same time he's such a self starter and he's such a go getter did they might wanna put the reins on them a little bit and i think that would stifle him someone. He's working with robert irvine. He's doing stuff with howard stern. He's always out there creating something for himself so i think he's doing all right where he is doing what he's doing. I wasn't suggesting that needs to leave. I just know he's a hard working dude and he loves the wrestling business. And if this thing ever go sideways. One day i'd like to think that he had an opportunity. Well he he definitely would be an asset without a doubt all right. Let's talk about another guy who used to be an asset for tna. Mike today. I wanted to know from your perspective while mike today is no longer in. Tna what your experience was like working with him. And while we haven't seen him with wwe seems like a natural thing he was part of wcw and then tna and he's been around forever and now he's not involved with the major wrestling promotion and that seems a little weird to me. So what did you think of working with mike today. And why don't you think we're seeing much these days today a lot Personally and professionally. And i think today was a talented guy. Standup guy responsible. The i can't tell you why he's not there anymore. I just assumed that they wanted a younger different. Look and feel other than my but not to utilize my in a producer's role or a creative role. I think is kind of a miscarriage. Because he's great. Theories is one of those guys with great attention to detail Very well informed and responsible. It's it's like one of the good guys. Today's one of the good guys and for him Same thing i'll say something about him and wwe. I think today with the network the wwe network he would be such an asset to them. They they wouldn't know what. Hit them if mike. Tony came in there and took that thing over and help them out with their research. And what have you Let's talk about keith mitchell. Hey somebody who. We didn't touch on in a previous episode. He's been around the business forever. I think he I came to notoriety out at world class. And then it's been a lot of time in wcw and now you know. He spent quite a bit of time with tna. What was your experience like working with keith. It was my first time having the pleasure of actually getting to work with keith. mitchell was during my time at tna. now. I'd actually tried to hire keith mitchell on two different occasions over the years away from wcw tell our listeners. What keith did keith. mitchell was producer. A director and keith was the producer of the world class championship wrestling out of dallas texas for fritz von erich back in the day when world-class really exploded keith. Mitchell was the first guy. To utilize the microphones on hand. Held cameras and open up those mics in here inside the ring. What the referee was saying with. The talent were saying to each other and not spot calls or anything like that but it really amplified in enhanced the viewing experience. Keith was so ahead of his time. very creative and keith went from world class he went to wcw Worked for just an unbelievable talent. He eventually moved to. Atlanta makes his home in atlanta now and win jeff started tna he utilized heath mitchell's experience and expertise to help him out with tna. And keith is an old just an old texas boy likes to go hunt birdie simple gamma beer and his let him sit down smoke a cigar and he's good to go man and beyond talented but i. That was one of the really bright spots that you can say. Did you enjoy going to work. I loved i loved. Gold work can work in creative in working with talent. And i throw keith mitchell in that talent pool Why do you think you know. Considering his longtime in business he was never candidate not not so candidate. Why did he never wind up with. Vince was this kevin dunn situation. We tried to hire him twice. What kept it from coming. And he was set in atlanta he liked atlanta and move to connecticut. He was happy where he was wasn't about the money. One about name. He was happy where he was. When you say that makes me think of david sahadi. David sahadi was well known for producing video packages for the debris including The of the very popular stone. Cold steve austin Rock promo to the limp biscuit. Song my way right before wrestlemainia and the one that i've heard rumors innuendo that vince loved the most was the old black and white footage From the mid two thousands with a hat classy freddie blassie voiceover talking about some of the hall of fame like ernie labs and stuff like that what happened with him departing. Wwe and then what was it like working with him and tna and specifically his name comes up when you hear about the situation where wwe was in orlando filming a commercial for the royal rumble. Antena was involved. And you're there on the east side. Sahadi was there on the ti side and he had just gotten there. Tell us about working with sahadi. Why he left in that specific incident please. Well sahadi came to us from Nbc he was a promo guide. Nbc and came in to produce spots and help with production at the wwf. Back in the day. john. Philip kelly was there at the time and sahadi was in is in my opinion a genius when it comes to television production and sahadi was the one responsible in a big part for the evolution of stone. Cold steve boston. Kind of from the million dollar champion the ringmaster and turning him into stone cold with those vignettes of steve pacing in the yard and the dogs barking and the chain link fence and all that that was the brainchild of david's hobby in he did some really really great stuff. You talk about the hall of fame spot with fred. Blassie and gorilla monsoon anything sahadi could do could utilize the talent a classy freddie blassie. He would and i'm gonna. I'll tweet out the picture from a party. David sahadi house with me and fred. Blassie from years ago when i had black hair We won't talk about that but Maybe some other time but sahadi was just burnt out and he had been running har- wwf and he was burnt out. Wanted to take some time wanted to travel little bit and just get away from the grind and he took a leave of absence. He took some time off and didn't come back and decided that he was just gonna take some time live in the mountains. I believe in chattanooga and during this time jeff jarrett contacted in told him what he was doing asked him if he could help had him come in and he became helping with the opens and some of the production pieces for tna. And i dare say that. He contributed a great deal to the look of those packages for tna and did a great job. I think we're sahadi kind of i don't think they was. They ended up moving dave into a director position where he was directing. The live shows in day was not a director. And so people would wanna blamed dave for the live show because he was the director calling shots. But that wasn't his forte. He's great post production and he tried and he did the very best that he could but You know most what was and then you talked about when we were down there. We were producing a commercial for the royal rumble. And we were in universal studios orlando and we had a sound stage and universal orlando is also where. Tna produced their television show a separate sound sound stage down the way and while we were there some of the tna talent came over with cookies and balloons to welcome us and they were recording it. John ambush us and get some of our stars on their tv or the guys approached with the cookies and balloons was abyss Road dogg jesse. James maybe Kipps up and i don't maybe conan and i don't remember who else by knows abyss and dog for sure and and they came and john barak. Who was with wwf at the time. Who's now at tna Barak and sahadi got heated. And i think boric called sahadi and threatened them and was going to beat him up and all this crap The but ray shot ray mysterious without his mascot a catering in ray unbeknownst to ray ray bean ray will nicest guys in the world walks over to go say hello to the guys and they were recording. So wasn't it one cool but it's it's something that frankly we probably would have done being in the same position being were you there for the typing was yes i was. I was at universal studios. I was inside. I was actually inside the stadium. When this took place outside. I came out after the big blow up and everything was dispersed. But it wasn't you know it was like okay great. They came them. Make sure they don't come back and let's move on the something like that exclude or you know advance ever hold that against an abyss or somebody like that. If given an opportunity to have a conversation. Oh my god. No i mean look at it. Wrote dog is in charge of their creative. Now yeah. I just didn't know since he had a track record there. I just wonder you know it feels like it is a ballsy move and so cool move but you wonder hey. Is this going to hurt my future employment opportunities. If you're a talent wouldn't that crossed your mind. It might but it doesn't. Yeah i got balls. Absolute we mentioned universal studios. There do you have any funding universal studios stories. You could share with us besides al snow screaming like a girl when we went in the Halloween horror nights. And he's god my god. I'm never her grown man scream as much as al snow going through on it house. Zim barreling absolutely embarrassing. I think one of the funniest things that that happened. Every year they have the grinch who stole christmas and the grandch- the studio for the grinch shell was war right next to the sound stage where we did our show so all day long. The grant grandchildren lucy. Liu or whatever the hell her name is and in all the who people and everything would walk from their studio across the way to the dressing rooms and an all day. Long i would harass the grinch and i would tell her. Hey that motherfucker right. There is going to try and steal christmas. I know that son of a mitch. Keep an eye on him and at one point during the day they're walking by and i took a picture of the grinch in in his makeup coat and everybody got all upset. Said we're back there taking pictures. Let's see yeah took a picture you know me. What the hell they're taking. They're taking pictures of us. We should be able to take pictures to them. They're walking by taking pictures of us. So i just i- unmercifully fucked with the grinch and for we were there for three days and for three days i would just scream at the grinch. He's gonna still christmas a keep an eye on that some of edge. Watch that green motherfucker and finally on the last day we were there the grinches walking by i look at the grant you know Turn either pat kenny. Or all snow and i said i know that son of a bitch is gonna steal christmas. In out of nowhere the grinch turns to me and says you bruce pressure. Yeah i had my eye on you. I'm gonna cut this incredible grinch promo on my ass in front of everybody it catering and i was the only one not in on it. And it was absolutely classic in Yeah the grinch prolong fun. Universal spun. man. We're right next to the wizard harry potter. We could sneak over there and get some butter beer and when we used to do those one night only pay per views and we would do like in the afternoon we would shoot a three hour show then that night. We do three hour show. I'll make a confession here. I used to go walk over with bernie who was our liaison universal and we used to go over and sit in the bar over in harry potter world in have a few beers in between shows. That was nice. Is that the bar that everybody hung out at. Because i've heard a lot of guys talk about the drinking shed. No no no. This was actually in the universal studios newsmen park and in the amusement park in certain places they have actual bars. So yeah and bernie was working. I was working. And so we would just kind of hide in a corner and have a couple of Gold silver bullets. Let's get back on track with guys who used to work with one of the guys that we talked about or didn't about in the last episode was mike. Today's broadcast partner tasr Those lots of talk here at the end of tasio ruin with. Tna there were financial suits. I want you to shed some light on that if you can. I know you're not gonna give us numbers. I'm not even gonna ask but chit some light on that And while you're doing it kind of tell us how that process works. Did he traveled to orlando and call all the shows there or did he go there and then have to do post at a later. Time in nashville. What does that cycle look like. And how tasked to work with as a talent here. You'll bro the y you fucking with has. Nah all the above I love working. With tasked has was easy and tasr was pro. He's one of those guys takes himself seriously and he came in he was doing color. He was there when i got there. But tasr we would do commentary we do some commentary there at the arena at the sound stage and sometimes we would leave commentary blank and they would come in and do commentary back in nashville every week to try and keep it is current is possibly could but i mean tasr was easy and he did. His work showed up on time. You didn't have to worry about him. And i really didn't have a problem with him. If you just shot straight with them he shot straight with you. You always knew where he was coming from. He had contractual issues Seemed like every year. And i'll i'll try to give you the example last. Just two simple questions. If you're paid bimonthly on in one year. How many times will you be paid. Alabama bimonthly would be twenty four if you paid every other week in one year. How many times would you be paid. Twenty six so if your contract calls for you to be paid bimonthly and the company pays you that by monthly amount. Weekly or biweekly. You get paid an extra month's worth of income each year right so like let's just hypothetically say if that were to happen and they would catch it a year and a half two years later after the bag they would come back and say oh we overpaid people and they would want the talent to pay that money back well coming from a talent perspective and coming from the talent world where oftentimes at least in the wwe and dare say even with bill walks and paul bosch. There were times. You've got bonuses so you get your salary pay but you also got bonuses so if you make more money than what you were contractually obligated to make you assume you figure it's a bonus jim. It's an understanding. Well panda in dallas. They didn't understand that so there were issues like that with tasr but it was always pandas talker. I say and you know every every single time tasks was in the right and it was just. It was silly stupid. Shit that just didn't have to be and i assume i do not know him. Never talked about it He left after. I left but it wouldn't surprise me if it was over silly stupid issue like that. Another guy that you worked with their at teenager that you've worked with before you mentioned a moment ago was al. Snow always was One of the agents they are who would the rest of the agents and can kind of break down what the daily life of aging would've been for two and i well. There was al snow. That was delo. Brown was pat kenny. Bully ray was an agent from time to time would help us out on tv. Tapings a would even help us out of tv tapings and maybe agent matra. If we needed him to or help out the agents would come. They'd be part of our television production meeting earlier in the day and they would work on the matches themselves with the talent they would get with talent. Come up with finishes and come up with the layout of the match in convey that to the talent during the day and then they would work with the production truck to make sure that they knew everything was going to happen throughout the night Every one of those guys. I thoroughly enjoyed working with because it was a. They would probably tell you different when i say it was a low pressure john because i might have been a little intense at times. Some people say i would yell and scream. That's just simply not true passionate about things at times and but for the most part we had a blast. I really enjoyed working with those guys because nobody had an ego there. Everybody was open. Tied is and it was a it was a free form free style. You know Exchange of ideas. What were the harris brothers. Do it when you were there. Their name was associated ally. And now but back when you were there Going all the way back to the days they were the disciples of apocalypse the da And before that had another gimmick and another game i mean. They've been around the wrestling business for a long long time and they started as talent with tna as well but now they've worked themselves into a backstage role. What role did they have. When you're there. They weren't there. When i was there they were. They were never there for one day. While i was there but ron and don years. I'm known them for years. Always got along with them. Love them great sense of humor. I always found be guys. I wanna talk about another guy. Who i don't think was there when you're there yet. You mentioned a minute ago about the royal rumble. Shoot sahadi big as his nickname. People probably remember him from the original tough enough John gabor acc- i say his name. Right john gabor so he is somebody who has had arise. I guess in t- and i think he's like an executive vice president of talent relations now or something like that so he's in a pretty prominent role kind of carry us through. You know big in the wwe his departure there and what your experience was like working with him. Well bid was one. Kevin don's best friends and he was brought in and the wwe to be the guy that lives with the talent For the first tough enough show be liaison producer between mtv and the wwf for the tough enough shows in. He continued that role in subsequent tough enough seasons. But i don't know maybe did. But i don't know that he did if he had any previous production experience but it was somebody that kevin don trusted and put him in that position and later years and wwf he was in charge of getting the production crews and the locations for our offsite vignette special shoots and commercials and things like that I wasn't there when he started at. Tna he started right. When i was leaving. So i didn't really have any interaction. Lived a phone call or two with him at tna don't know what his background else I think he Had a furniture store in a cigar store in baltimore and that's by behalf. I really don't know okay. A lot of people blame him for some of the quote unquote fall of tna Just miscues one way or another for fairly or not. You know a lot of people. Point the finger to him for some of their challenges. Did you know of any sort of shenanigans to happen with kabarak when he isn't wwe know. I don't know i mean okay. Well let me just say the rumors new endo are that he. Would you know kind of say one thing and do another and that upset some of the talent but it also upset some management and some of the other partners where he would misrepresent things different people including talent some of those guys on their way out credit him as being a reason they leave and then maybe it's sour grapes. But you store you talking about tna or wwf. Well i'm talking about tna there. But i'm saying as a basis was any of that evidence. I mean like. I don't know why he left. Wwe but i'm saying supposedly he's politic and tna and making some wrong calls and one of the rumors and innuendo are that he has a little bit of a casting couch for the tna knockouts. And i'm not saying that's happened. That's all message board bullshit. As far as i know but did you know of any sort of saying one thing and doing another or playing the political game or having leverage or having some inappropriate relationships with female talent or anything like that with him and be well. I think that the rap on him and wwe was he was kevin don's best friend and that's the only reason he was there. That was the rap on him it. Wwe is far. As i've heard after the fact i've heard the same rumor and innuendo about him. But i don't know if any of that's true it comes along with the position and no matter what I've heard some horrible things about things that he's allegedly said and done there but again it's simply rumor and innuendo. I didn't experience it so it's tough to comment on it because no i never experienced anything like that firsthand with him. I didn't have that much interaction with him. When when i interacted with him it w w was simply i would come in and go do a shoot and he was a guy that In hired the crew or got the place for me. Dale oliver has the music director fourteen and he worked closely with a surge. And that's sexy thousand. Do you have any Interesting stories from stories about working with dale dale. Dale was trip and a lot of fun. He's one of those guys we'd always hang out with afterwards and we'll hang on. I mean rephrase it. Because i didn't hang out a lot tried to keep to myself and i would usually just go out with the creative guys or al snow and pat kenny mutt on occasion. And when i'd be in nashville from out of time dale was one of those guys that was fun to sit and have a beer with and chat. Because he's played with everybody's guitar player is music producer very talented guy and if you remember the you remember the deal where bischoff was playing guitar opened up. Tna show that was dale. Oliver was actually playing it so when they had the close up shots and plays a little bit so he was able to fake his way through it for the live arena shop but when the the music actually being playing in those Tight shots that was dale. What about surge when it comes to music. What's your favorite theme music. That search has ever put together trouble at orca. Show what about. Bill banks bill banks. Wow out there Bill banks those with wcw back in the day and then eventually works with tna as well He did a lot of work on the. Wcw magazine and then when he goes to work with tna he has a variety of roles I wanted to know from your perspective. What what he contributed to tina bill manx in my opinion contributed nothing to ta bill. Banks originally worked at the wwf in the on wwf dot com and he was on the website. And he worked with vince russo. And when vince russo. Left to go to wcw. They'll banks laughed and went to work with Wcw with rousseau and then from there went to tna bill is. I dare say that if left to bills on devices that the tna website woods look exactly like the wwf website did in nineteen ninety eight. I hadn't seen it was a constant battle constant battle To okay new. These talents were released the company. Please take them off the website two weeks later. Bill asked you two weeks ago. Please take these off of the website. They are no longer with the company three weeks later. Four weeks five weeks later he just. I don't know what it was with him. He would hide in his office with the door. Shut the lights off and would become very defensive if you ever questioned him bob anything but was very opinionated and would attack everybody else in the company not working in tell everybody how hard he worked when we would ask for change we would ask at. It's just i would just ask for simple things. Keep keep the site updated. Don't have tonight on impact about a show. That's two weeks old especially when we were taped plug some this ship. Let's tease. let's get people interested in the show. Let's be ahead of the game and update the website as the live shows off. Now that's too difficult to do. I need i. I would need a whole staff. You've had the show for a week. You can build stuff ahead of time and be ready to post it. Just keep it up to date so that people who were watching the show live can go to our website and get updated. Let's have something beyond the show. Let's do some backstage stop. Let's do some extra things can't get on tv I don't mean to be mean. But he's horrible. Not expect that absolutely horrible. Sorry bill but you're horrible. That's why you listened to something wrestle with right there. He heads every now and again. I hit a name that i had no idea what that type of reaction talk about this folks before we go on the air i had me either. Does he feel banks on his linked in profile says he was the magazine writer and editor from ninety five to ninety nine for the wf magazine and the Oversaw of that and he also says ninety eight ninety nine he was. He was a member of the creative team for monday night. Raw broadcast on the usa network in a weekly two hour smackdown broadcast and monthly three hour pay per views such as wrestlemainia summer slam royal rumble etcetera so. He was on creative writing team. Ninety eight ninety. I know that you know it'd be interesting if you're asked. Vince mcmahon bill banks go ahead. Aspin's mcmahon bill banks so mr mcmahon of got bill banks on the line for you. Apparently down there in nashville. Things look good and he wanted to talk to you about rejoining the creative team here in the wwe. Mr mcmahon unit. Will you know Bill banks he ran the magazine from ninety five to ninety nine. And you know you know. He's russo's buddy magazine pal pronouns. Danna you'll your magazine are the wwf magazine. He was buddies roussel he He ran the wcw website to for turner and oversaw staff tended -ployees for daily updates including news photos graphics television and lava van promoting you talking about rambling on. Never heard of this jakov. Well you know he was he wrote for. Wwe he wrote smackdown. He wrote rawal. He wrote wrestle. I'm reading right off as like then. Here mr mcmahon. He wrote summer slam. He wrote roll rumble. Then he went to wcw and he wrote there. He wrote nitro thunder and now he's in nashville and of course down there. He's had an opportunity to write for pop tv and destination. America and spock tv. And we know it's it's where they're doing that teenager show now where the hardy boys are. Delete never give me a coffee. Yes sir how do you lock your coffee. Why got like my women and what paid for. Thank you mr mcmahon. So where does this hate for. Bill banks come from data. Say hey sorry bill. But you're horrible. So he was. I think he was the associate editor. Which means that he uses like make copies and shit like that and for rousseau that's basically what he was he was kind of like a writers assistant to russo. I've met bill a couple times as always cool to me i don't. I don't know bill in an this negative way do but He's been there according to his lengthy in since april. Two thousand three and He says he's done everything. They are from being a producer to handling the website and the social media. Facebook twitter youtube all that stuff And also lowering redwood a glowing recommendation. That is and look at their shit. Know the only the one of the only times. I've ever seen. Dixie carter get pissed and i mean pissed and go off on. Someone was at bill banks in a in a meeting. I also we can tell the story Goddamn i'm trying to forget. I'm trying to remember who the hell the girl was. it was. It was one of the knockouts and bill was making fun of the way she looked. And dixie just and he was doing it all under his breath making who you know snide remarks and laughing to himself and just being a little bit in. Dixie went off on him. Let's say just stop with your with your remarks. You don't have a clue and i'm sick of your smart ass comments and you don't contribute anything positively to any of these meetings. All you do is knock everybody that type of shit. Wow yeah in for dixie. That was not did it. Sounds like maybe the only i mean. That might be the only store i've ever heard about. Dixie yeah i. it's a one of ones. I really remember her going off on someone and she did it in public me. She did a big meeting. Well i I did not expect that with our buildings conversation today from from my first from my first day on the job it was. Can we get someone to overhaul the website until the very last day they'll laugh was you know god. We need someone to do the website everyone they brought in and talk to. Of course i guess. They didn't like because they had ideas. I don't know or they wanted to be paid one of damn senate ugly. Let's move along. Let's talk about something else that got moved along and that was the gut check. We somehow missed this on our first teen show and this was really really really popular with our twitter fans. I don't know how he missed. It both still covered three hours and managed to miss it gut check had a couple of different incarnations. But it really got off the ground when you were there And you guys turned it into a television segment and it's famous for in the very first one Alex silva was the contestant had a match against robbie e and then i threw it to vote with bruce prichard al snow and rick flair and supposedly. The rumors would lead you to believe that everybody knew what the answer is. We're going to be like you know these guys say yes and got say no but flair goes off script and changes his mind and says yes. It changes the whole outcome of the thing so the guy wasn't getting a contract but now because flare just went into business for himself now he is signed and he doesn't even have a work visa to work here. What's true what's false and what really happened. Well as far as gut check it was simply an idea to be able to expose some new talent and we were doing gut check on the road where we get guys and and people that wanted to audition for spot on the roster to come to the shows and workout with the agents and work out with some of the talent. We were looking for new segments for television show spike. Wanna something new dixie. wanna something new. We want something. New and american idol was hot and we thought well. What if we actually had live auditions on the show and we had people Guys come out. They rustle match. And then the next week we would critique that match and we would talk amongst ourselves we have three different judges that would then decide whether or not this guy will get a contract. Originally the three judges we're going to be ric flair earl hefner and i think also They had them talking over the match. I in an insert and it just didn't work we scrapped the idea. It didn't work and then ever make air. No it did not. it was taped. We taped it to try it out and do a dry run. See if there was something. There dixie. Really wanted me to be on air. I didn't want to be on air bush on air. I'm not comfortable being myself on. I know that's crazy. You're the show. Something russell bruce richard But i'm much more comfortable being a character like being a character plus. I didn't want to take up. Tv time we had talent that needed to be on tv needed that time. Why why do you wanna look at an old fart like me. And she felt it was real. Eric made a push for talk me into it and i decided okay. I'll do it and so it was may flare and also we. I knew what the other two judges were going to vote. And i would essentially determine the order. Let jeremy barash now the order to ask which judge it what time and then i would usually i. I would have the deciding. Vote how. I wanted to play out whether it was me doing it. Or one of them. with alex silva came and the vote was no but right before the third and final. Vote We gave you guys an opportunity to cut a promo to possibly swayed. The last judge's decision will flare had already voted player voted. No he was the first one. Al snow voted. Yes so i'm the deciding vote. Alex silva cuts promo flare. Grabs the microphones. As i change my mind i vote. Yes and the kids in he's hired and we're on live. Tv and it was crazy because the kid didn't have a visa good work in the states. We'd had him on temporary. You know one or two off deal appearances to be able to do the gut check thing. But he didn't have a visa now. We had to start working on visa. Didn't work out. He wasn't that good and never should have got the contract in the first place but gut check was simply a vehicle to get new talent exposed. Bring some new fresh talent in in a different way to introduce them and the thing. Most people talk about contest that number two. Which is when joey ryan in may of two thousand twelve. I had a match with austin aries. They take to vote and this time task has replaced ric flair. It's a no from bruce. Prichard ask for mouse snow and it's a no from tasr What happened from there was a work. What was the shoot and wins it. Become a worksheet if it did. That's one of those deals where that end. Okay thank you where we knew what we're going to do and i said no alison. Yes funny how that worked because we really usually did disagree it was time for. Joey cut his promo. Joey cut a great bromo on me and on task tass being the pro that he is he's stuck to the script he didn't go off script and he said no but tasr was pissed because the kid cut hell of a personal promo on me and on task. Well is this is taking place and we get out of the ring going to go back. And they've got a cameron Enjoy face and i tell them. Listen this something. Oh my god. This guy's great ascend. Al snow in to go in there. Grab him and throw him out. Make sure that the camera you know still on. Nobody knows i mean everybody. Everybody assumes it's work but then it turned into shoot but it truly was a shoe and joey shot himself into a work. I guess you could say. But joey was working as well. I mean he was just cutting promos it himself over which i told him to do so. Al gets joey outside. I said bring him over to my trailer. We met in between the trailers. And eric comes running over said man. That was great. Encourage joey to Continue his tirade us. Amanda once you leave here. But i want you to get on youtube and want to get on twitter and i want you to lambast the shit out of us. We don't know what the hell were doing. Chicken shit operation blah blah blah and we signed in we had a contract drawn up for him right then senator in the next couple of days and told tasr. Hey here's the deal task. Thought we worked in which we hadn't it was just joey's promo and it was a great one and i said young joe. He's going to do this and he's going to cut promos on us and talk about what pieces of shit. We are and want to build this thing up. Joey got personal tax. Got personal than we realize that. Well we've kind of worked ourselves into a corner because there's no payoff. Task task can't russell. He's got a neck issue and physically. He couldn't get back in the ring so we had to switch it to gun. Put the heat on l. snow and that was the story of joey ryan but that that was one of those situations we were live. It worked out. Joey cut hell of a promo instead of hiring right there. We throw them the hell out and made a story out of it to bring him back. And i i enjoy. Joey's work at that time christian york towards the end of this idea. Get an opportunity in november of twenty twelve from north carolina circuit. Friends with the hardee's and shannon moore and shane helms and all that what do you think. He didn't get a bigger opportunity. There that christian just was kind of reminiscent of that old southern rattler on man say and it just kind of was a was a tired. Gimmick tired look and there wasn't a whole lot special about christian. I thought his work was good. I liked the hell out of him. But the audience didn't really seem to care winded. Sam shaw start doing the Rip off was that after you were going. Yeah that was after. I was gone but about west briscoe He did the very last Gut check or one of the last ones in two thousand twelve when you were there. against garret bischoff. Two guys. who were they saw in a very good friends with their dad's your thoughts on those two s performers well. It was an opportunity to bring west in and jerry bursts gold. Ira very good friends. And it was opportunity to put west out there impressed or not impressed. And i thought west l. job i like west and felt that he had a future in this business. Still think he has a future in business and it was a different way to introduce somebody if he impressed us and was good. He got a hell of a reaction. The match wasn't that great. But i saw something in him and i saw something that i felt that we could have used and we had the aces eight story happening at the time so it was a way to integrate a kind of a double secret agent in the aces and eights and utilize west. So you know. That's the story of west. Briscoe was just another way to introduce talent. West got a bigger opportunity. Debbie and he was signed for a and he was in developmental but he never got a chance to shine on the big show. What do you think that is probably is mike skills he was young hadn't really developed A good promo at the time. And i wasn't there so i don't really know what happened because west was definitely on the radar. West was one of those guys that we had been looking at wanted to do something with just just off of his pedigree alone and great look great kid and you know it was a shame. I don't know exactly what the hell happened there. But if i were to say anything would probably be the only thing that would have been holding him back at that. Young age was probably as mike skills. What about your other good on eric. Bischoff his son garret bischoff Is this nepotism for him to have an opportunity here. What did you think about working with your bischoff him as a performer on that Gilbert personally first of all great guys stand up guy and really hard working and garrett wanted to be a russell garrett that was his grain and it probably was a case in epithelium with eric bringing his son in and putting him in that position garrett wasn't ready for it and it was viewed. You know it's a double edged sword especially if you're second generation guy and especially if you're a second generation talent with the light with your last name being bischoff sean. Flynn the most popular guy backstage or the most popular guy in front of the camera. So fans didn't like him guys back. State didn't like him and felt that he was taking a spot from them but gilmore disaster off and he was knew he was fresh and it was really interesting when we would do. Focus groups and get feedback from people. One of the guys that they would look at and say. Wow you know without knowing who the hell he is. They'd like garra because he was good looking. Good looking young. God great body hanging on like no more about this guy. Donahue is but good looking kid so there was. That young was probably nepotism as well. And now i'm guilty. It's it's a it's unfortunate because whether these guys are talented or not doesn't really matter because the conversation always starts about all you know who is. Data is right. And that was the same thing with briscoe. Because i knew jerry our friends and that happens you know even now with charlotte in the wwe. I mean no matter how long she's been there or how good are matches our heart she works. I'll it's rick's daughter so you know aaa to this or that. So kind of an unfortunate day over them We're talking about young talent. Lovie w had a relationship with tna post wwe so after years of being the feeder system for w e e They become a little bit of one for lovie. W is there anything interesting. The cover there or is that something. I should just gloss. No it was. It was just a natural fit and any davis. And i've been friends for years. They ended their relationship with. Wwe when wwe opened up florida and the center down there. It was just a natural transition to be able to take the guy that l. train. Brock listener randy orton. John cena host of others and use that as a feeder and developmental system. Dna talking a little bit about goss. Who used to be in the. Wb you have a relationship they are. Dave laguna is a name that we're familiar with from his time with of eat he leaves there. He comes to you and very recently with all of the shakeup. The tina has had if you believe the rumors and innuendo There were folks who were on team dixie. And then they were folks who were on team billy and apparently lagaan a bet on the wrong horse. what was your experience like working with ghana. Do you have any funny or interesting stories. You can share your in touch now. Any updates as to his current situation. Well dave since they was in the. Wwe we work together on smackdown day was a writer at wwe and he worked on. Smackdown worked on e. c. W from there he went to h. And then Came to tna via ring ka king which was a television show that they produced for india that only lasted one season that they thought was going to be the savior for tna for a little while but Dave without a place to go and us always looking for help on the creative into things. We brought dave into the fold on creative and tna and helped us right stuff and i dare say that He did a good job there. He's one of those people that will work tirelessly as well and always get the job done but he helped us. Produce helped us create and right and Was an asset. But as far as you know what's happening now he's just looking for new avenues and something else to do and Towards the end of his stay there. He kind of got the feeling that he really wasn't wanting her welcomed. Anyway so it's time to move on the rumors and innuendo are that towards the end. But towards the end of this whole. Billy dixie thing. A lot of the folks who are on team. Billy didn't even go into the office. Even if they had previously been going to the office they were just working from home after that it was kind of a house divided true or false true true. That's that's what i'd heard. They didn't feel welcomed in the office. But we're still doing their jobs and still still riding the televisions and doing their tasks. Maybe they didn't have room for them with the new warehouse office that they had. I don't know. Have you seen the warehouse office. Not tell us about the Coming station office station was neighbor. Nice offices they. They had several. They were on the third floor their third or fourth floor. I don't even remember but they were split level offices. They were very nice and then studio down in basement and first floor and it was nice little setup One of the things that people enjoy most on the show are your impressions. And you've given us a fair share of impressions of guys who were riding on the w team. We've heard your michael hayes do and your script and we've heard pat patterson and we've heard Jim cornet i mean it goes on jerry jarrett. We've goes on and on and on. Do you have dave ghana impression. Conrad i don't really always do impressions but sometimes you know i think if you've ever watched friends well it doesn't matter so no that's that's about it and i'm doing that. I'm hearing and people are going to sit there and think ghana indian thought the same thing our what about a visitor said you have interest. I bro brown you'll brown. Hey y'all bra. What bro brown brown. That's all yeah fucking. Yankee hair knocked venture knocked vince. Russo ye fucking yankees will probably think that's a compliment is kind of like see. Here's the thing here's thing about. Rosa russo always invents. They always thought it was a knock to call me in anybody from the south a redneck. But i took that as a compliment. The like being called a ren like being called yankees. I don't get it whatever Here's a guy. You can do an impression on them. We didn't cover in the last one. I don't know he have an impression hair but don west. Don west is a notable character Around from the beginning early years of tna commentary and before that He did a lot of fun stuff. With hawking baseball cards on tv and he became the pitch man for all teenage merchandise. You've kind of told me before about some of the conversations about you know money per head on the house shows and you know there was such a big push for the merchandise. Sales can kind of carry us through that whole situation in the office. And then tell us about your time spent working with don west well. Don west was probably single handedly. Responsible for the house shows being profitable in many regards because of the that he drove merchandise sales out of philosophical difference in the way that Merchandise was sold in hawk. Our guests more importantly at house shows because it was just an endless barrage. You would walk into the building of the doors. Opened up at six thirty and you would be hit with vos. Hey everybody here did i. We've got the dudley boyz over the merchandise table right. Now you get autograph them. Melvin sky up in the northeast corner right now. He's taking pictures guys you get. You're getting run up. They're getting autograph. A velvet sky don't forget bissett ringside down here come on say biscuit is on enough and then later on. We're going to be doing backstage passes if you didn't get backstage pass today. We're going to be doing backstage passes in the middle of intermission. You'll be able to go backstage backstage. Meet all the stars of wrestling and then after the show we're going to have jeff jarrett kubota here is going to be under good. He'd take pictures. Get your parties and jeff gordon. Jeff hardy matt hardy. They're going to be available now at the concession saying right after bubbles guy leaves the northeast in. You heard that shift nonstop until the show started and it was annoying now if you know don west and yet worked with don west don west is brilliant. He really is. i mean. brilliant guy. He's done very very well he again. Hey man and worked so more merchandise. They made more merchandise than they did at the gate. That's just a cold hard fact really and i don't know that just blows me away. Let's friends they're saying they're. Wwe for instance on free stops numbers here from memory if they if they sold you know. They had a eighty thousand dollar gate so ticket. Sales totaled eighty thousand bucks. What would take me that on. Eighty thousand our house probably about fifty dollars ahead. But wasn't tina twenty four more for you let. Let's understand look at the where. Wwe joining eight thousand or or let's just say if due to put it in comparison the exact comparisons that i used to get their financial wizards there the Well wwe only drew five thousand. Were we're drawn five hundred. That's not bad so if you are only drawing five hundred people to live events those are five hundred die hard fans that are really into your product so they were willing to spend more money on the ancillary staff and they were going to spend more money to go back and get their picture taken velvet sky and wait in line to get hardy autograph and get a picture with him just the way it was but i felt that it diminished the talent to have them that accessible to the audience. All the time you know they weren't special anymore and that was my bitch. It was simply wanna presentation. And when you're hawking every second it is a is a audience member you just get tired and on would wear mount but again. You can't argue with success. manny aid. He did well and a great guy. I mean really a great great guy and he had an opportunity to go in. And i think he's a partner in a hockey team and the northwest somewhere and do real well and couldn't happen to a nicer guy and i'm sure that If if don west is in charge of selling something it's getting sold come hell or high water. That shit is gonna get sold as a great salesman wrestling. Yes plenty go. Something nice after some i really and truly now everything i had to say about. Don is nice. I just pointed out the difference of opinion in presentation. i didn't care for his presentation and live events. And hawking stuff all the time. We've talked briefly about kurt angle in the first episode I don't know that we got into who made contact with him. I who had a relationship with him. And how did that initial conversation and then signing. Who was the liaison to get kurt angle in i was at. Wwf hurt went to dna but I'm pretty sure it was. Jeff did you get any sort of feedback from the wwe before you took the gig. We didn't talk about that before. What do you mean. Okay so you been out of the company for a little bit and now going to take a job with dna you smarten anybody up decent text message. You have a phone call. Does the news break on the internet and someone texts you. Do you get a call. When do you communicate with vince. Or anyone about you working somewhere other than w well i didn't. I didn't have any communication with them. Prior to me going to work there and probably a month or two. After i went to work there. I saw vince in houston hadn't event and we met after the show and just I it was the first time that we had seen each other. Indoor spoke since i left in two thousand eight and that was what you're in two thousand. And i wanna say the two thousand ten maybe the beginning of two thousand eleven so after working with this guy Like personally directly for over twenty years. You didn't talk to him for roughly two years on the saw him after the show. That'd be correct. Did he ask you to come to the show or did you ask the same after. I probably asked to see him it will. It was One of those deals where i reached out just to say hello and they were in town and let's have a drink the and meet him. I'll tell minimum No communication with any of the other comrades that your friends with do do-doesn't text you when he finds out that you gotta give theater or no communication at all. No actually michael did. Several of the writers did congratulated me. And wish me well I'm curious there's a gap between your employment with me and tna unaided some other stuff was their interest in you going to tina from their side right away and you kept your distance just in case or what was the angle there legally. I couldn't do anything for a period of time. Okay jeff garin. I spoke within days of my release and then when the timing was Based on some other things in that legal klaus had passed those opportunity. and let's go for it There's rumor innuendo that and lots of people started this up online. That vince russo. Had said he would be in dixies ear looking for his job. Correct that or don't know one hundred percent false and it's interesting because when i was put in the position of russo. Have an answer to me and having to have the scripts and everything approved by me. The day that everybody found out. I had flown in. And i was in tennessee. In nashville and eric bischoff. Also there which was unusual but roussel was there again. Russa lived in colorado so all all three of the outsiders were down at the same time and they had a meeting at believe it was with dense russo. First and then. Eric bischoff and then me sir russo. Got the news of what they wanted to do. Before i did. Then eric got it and then they called me in and said hey. Here's what we would like to do. Well i'm in a position. Where frankly i needed a job and i was happy with the job that i had. But now they're telling me they like me to take on some new responsibilities. There was more money involved more responsibility and wasn't going gonna turn it down. So i i accepted the position. But there was in absolutely no way zero zilch. None did i lobby for the position. Did i go in and whisper in dixie. Easier and tell her that. I wanted to do this in any way shape or form. They came to me and they came to me after they went. Russo and eric really went down. Let's clear up some other stuff Claire lynch was briefly touched on in our previous episode. Where we said that maybe this is where. Aj showed some of his acting chops that ultimately helped to be think maybe this guy can do are kind of stuff The rumors venue indo would lead you to believe that what we saw on television and the way that whole angle wound up is not what the original plan was kind of. Catch everybody up briefly on what the original plan was and then we'll get Some more stuff well. The original plan was to use dixie in that and to build up more that. Aj was having an affair with dixie in a lurid affair but that kinda got blown out of the water when the carters had to face people at their country club. And i'm not. This is not an analogy. The nominee ganging up. This is just shoot. What happened People at the club were questioning the carters about. What's this i hear about your daughter and your sister being a whore and sleeping with this guy. Aj styles and they didn't like that we had Change course and introduce claire lynch just went a different direction. And i'm ashamed to say this. But i kind of lost interest after it and let let dave lagaan a- and matt conway them have fun within do what they wanted to do. 'cause it's one of those deals where you take no drink the queue where. I laid out ahead of time exactly what we wanted to do. Everybody's on board. And then you get into it you do it. And they can't take the heat so fuck it. You mentioned a few times. Mac conway tell everybody who that is way. Does matt conway was a writer with vince. Russo and matt was a writer will always there. I enjoyed working with matt and creative kid. He started he was a disciple of andy barton. Who was andy was vice. President in charge of the men operations and things like that and dixie took a liking to matt. And when i got there. It was matt and vince russo. The right and the tv when russo left a kept matt on and he was creative guy always had good ideas and busted his ass to get the brogden the six hundred ring who liked to who hated it. What did you think about it. Dixie liked it. Jeff liked it. I think they were the only ones for the most part. It wasn't there when i got there. We had the traditional foresighted ring by the time. I got there but the feedback. That i got from the talent because there would be times. Dixie would come back gash. Can we go back to the six sided ring and be different than wwe. I would get feedback from talent and most of them if they had their choice preferred the four sided ring because the six sided ring of it. It was an unforgiving ring. Not a bump friendly ring a lot. More steel underneath. Yes in. it just didn't have as much give so the guy's preferred the four sided ring. And i had no. I had no desire to bring the six sided monstrosity back. Toby keith. what's real and what's rumor. Don't know i wasn't there. I mean. I i heard rumblings after i left that Toby had a deal and everyone had agreed to deal for him to buy the company and when he got to the table actually do it. They started putting conditions. Like the dixie. Astra stay involved and be president beyond tv. And they weren't looking for that but that's clarify. That's all from my vantage point that secondhand rumor and innuendo and throughout. Because i think this will be your next follow up. Question is will. Were there ever attempts to sell company. And when i was there there were always attempts to have investors in have more people invest in the company and it was dixies goal to buy the company from her parents outright so that she can own it completely and run things way. She wanted to without dialysis interference. So she will always looking for investors and always looking for people to come in and put money into the company. I made the suggestion. One time in passing. Not passing in a meeting. And i said. Would you like for me to put feeders out and see if wwe would be interested in purchasing the company probably two thousand twelve and dixies comment back to me was well. Maybe we might wanna buy wwe. And that was the end of that conversation. I never brought up again So when you're saying they were always looking for investors. What you really mean is they. Were looking for suckers would give them their money to keep funding this fucking wet dream of a company that wasn't actually profitable but not willing to overturn any sort of management. That could actually turn it around and make a profit. Ding ding ding The rumors innuendo are that They got all the way down. Almost check riding time on the toby. Keith deal but he wanted new management and then if eleventh-hour dixie or her representatives say she has to stay in place as president and remaining on air character and that ultimately was the dealbreaker. Is that the same rumor window. You heard it is okay. The lockdown pay per views in eleven and twelve or all cage matches a lot of hardcore wrestling. vance think. Assist the fucking dumbest thing ever. You're supposed to based on my. We've all as fans tall. You build to a cage match and you you have a match that needs a cage You don't have a card or a pay per view but needs cage matches or however that analogy goes. I'm not feeling well. I'm not myself. I apologize catch me up. What did you think as long as an old timer as you said referred to yourself in wrestling for two entire cards. Be filled with cates. Mattis it for all the reasons you just said cage match should be special and should be build in. there should be meaning behind it in one. You know you should build the see it if you have entire car for the cage matches after the second one. There's nothing left to do some special anymore. I thought it was stupid as ideas and finally we got him to get him away from it. We only had one in two thousand thirteen in san antonio and i thought that was a much better presentation who made it being something elected. Who liked what the concept of all cage matches. dixie liked. It think matt conway liked. Didn't think that's about where it ended or anything else. You can remember sealy. The dixie really liked the division. What did she say about. The excavation annoy you or what about her love. The excavated anoint. You my annoyance with the x division is to this day not one single person has been ale. Able ever to explain to me. What the hell it is you know. It's no limit. There's no weight limits. there's no age. I don't know what the fuck it is. It's no different than any other division so there was nothing special about nobody can tell me what the hell it is. And i just didn't get it. I really didn't get it. That annoyed. the hell out of me and there were. I'm trying to think what the hell else but she had. We've always done it that way. It doesn't make it right right. Okay well okay. Dixie will if everybody else goes and jumps off the bridge. Is that okay for you to go. Jump off bridge. No lose stupid. Lots of tweets about awesome kong and bubba. The love spines. I know what you're gonna say. Go ahead and say it. I wasn't there Let's talk briefly about the united kingdom. You talked about cage. Master should be special. Our felt the teenage television shows. Taped over in england came off special. I'm curious why didn't they just tape all their tv over there. I mean they're selling tickets. The crowds a rabid the huge appetite for it rather than me number two in america wanna go beat number one in england Am i oversimplifying that ordered. Others share that same worldview. I pitched that and the idea was. I mean it makes sense. It just made sense. They were number one in the uk. There were number. One in. Germany was a strong brand internationally. And why not go. There grabbed the money. Give it to them. they're hot fourth. they want it. Let's go give him. Let's get something out of it with a rabid fan base rabid crowd. Let's tape some really good stuff. Bring it back here and give the states arrest. Give them arrest. They'll be happy and they'll be longing for you. If you stay away long enough not too long go away for six months to a year go international where there was a little bit of a demand and where they were drawing houses so that was suggested but there was i. I think the main reason the best thing i could say is it was out of fear of failure and maybe they felt that it costs too much. Let's talk about that. What would what would the cost difference of bad. I know that you had a a slightly built in advantage. Because the universal studios set. You don't have to rebuild and take down. it's just there So that's good. I'm sure airfare super cheap orlando. i think it's the southwest hub. I know that flights from nashville there for like thirty bucks or something insane But what besides air fare in the actual building are the cost differences in. Aren't all of those not all the majority of those offset by you know selling fucking tickets. Yes and but there was always. We always paid for hotels. We always paid for transportation while the guys were overseas. And i think that that still would have been absorbed and drawing a house and making money off of alive gate. there wasn't a penny made off of the live gates in orlando. Yeah they travel packages and they would sell ten tickets to a vip meet and greet after the fact but there was no real money made at all. That was free. It was an attraction at universal studios. If you if you line up and hard rock cafe or nascar cafe or wherever the hell they lined up you got him. Free didn't even have to purchase a ticket to universal studios so to me that was a non issue and i felt that it was a lost opportunity not to go over there and say she ate the appetite and then come back to the states. Do the same thing and have a new plan is jr. Used to say. Go away and learning in home as fun transition there. But i'm going to avoid it let's talk about. Tv deals unit. I've talked about this off air before and i guess that there were really accurately three types of television deals as far as the way the money goes any kind of breakdown everybody what that would be well essentially back in the old days there were times where for the old timers those guys would have their. Tv shows on a barter system and the barter system will simply put their television show on and in any television show. You've got x. Amount of commercial time. The promoter would sell half of the commercial time the tv station. So half of the commercial time then comes vince. Mcmahon and vince mcmahon is expanding throughout the country. And all of a sudden vince mcmahon is coming in and he's paying money for that commercial time you're paying money for that time. Slot that the other wrestling promotions. We're in and initially tv station. More money in that situation correct and also you. During that time there was also the beginning of the infomercial in the infomercial. change television. because now you've got advertisers coming in and doing thirty minute shows box selling one product and the whole damn thing is a commercial and they're paying good money for it so we're a television station might say. Well i can go out. And i can buy a seinfeld or i can buy another thirty minute strip sitcom in. I've got to go out and sell that time for x. Amount of dollars or ron pope wheel and the pasta is going to come in. And they're gonna pay me six thousand dollars that time slot and i don't have to do shit six thousand dollars profit so there was that changing attitude. Well vince came in started paying for time slots and then all the sudden his Television starts getting over the business gets bigger and he goes back to them and says. Hey we're not gonna pay you anymore but if you want to continue to have our show and continued to get the kind of ratings should getting with our show you're gonna start paying us and then the product became A rights product where they had television stations that would pay and networks. That would pay a rights fee. Wwe gets a rights fee for monday night. Raw smackdown in everything they do. They get paid to produce so shows tna when it was at spike tv. They had a rights fee. They were paid a weekly fee to be on the air and that fee. That's right that rights fee is what enabled them to continue to stay in business and be profitable throughout. I don't know if they were profitable or not but allowed them to stay on the air. So you fast. Four and go back. Two thousand thirteen. After i left and the deal with spike tv was coming to an end so spike tv decides that they're not going to renew their current contract with tna. They say we don't want anymore so tna is now in a position where they have no place to air their television show. They get picked up by destination america. Rumor and innuendo would. Have you believe that. The right speed was paid by destination. America was about a quarter of what they were making at spike tv. And then when that deal blew up. They went to pop tv. And it's in dixie. Carter's legal statement in the lawsuit between her billy. Corrigan that the pop tv deal is a barter deal and what that means is is that. Tna produces to our show they get half of the advertising time and pop. Tv gets half of the advertising time to sell and do with what they want so tna is not getting any money from pop tv to have their show on the air. According to court documents that were filed and jud. No you know. I had told you this way back when because i'd heard but it was all second hand rumor and innuendo but that second hand rumor and innuendo turned out to be correct so That's a situation that they are in now. And as you and. I both know as well trying to buy time on. Tna on pop. Tv is damn near an impossibility certainly is trying to buy from. Tna because we tried to do that questions about it so let's just Kind of spill the beans. I'm an asshole and i am a shameless promoter. He is folks really is if you know me from mortgage business. I am just shameless. When it comes to self promotion from business. And i had an idea one. Bruce was in town once when we were watching the hardy boys because my an we love. Delete billy billy and broken matt and all that's brought us this year Best thing interesting this year to me anyway watching that and came up with an idea and i said hey man how cold it be if we did an episode on. Tnn a and we promoted inside the tna show and. This was an idea that i got from reading the wrestling observer newsletter where david published what he thought or he had heard the rate was for thirty seconds spot severson. I got busy trying to buy a commercial from tna and then eventually from pop tv to promote this very podcast on that show and you know we had the production ability and we don't need any help producing a spot. We got that down pat. That's what i do for a living Bud we couldn't get a straight answer anybody. We emailed somebody we've talked about already today and asked about buying spot. And i think the i'm paraphrasing but i think the gist of the email was i wouldn't know who to contact about true that so anyway for what it's worth. We did eventually get a quote from pop. Tv and it was a much higher number than what david reported. I'm not saying that. Crap on the observer. The observer was wrong not maybe not. Let's run through that. It may the quote he got may have been a part of a bigger package. It may have been a longer schedule. It may have been a longer term by. It may have been an an an existing customer then or the customer may have a lot of tonnage and they just got that number off of an affidavit. I know for certain when i advertise. I spend less than some others do. Just because i buy so much and so far ahead Sino that that type of stuff exists either way. Don't be surprised in the future if you see a A commercial on tna promoting something to wrestle with aba tna advertised on our show more faithful would watch. They might have. They might get more people watch. Yeah we're for saying that but it is worth mentioning this show. Does i said i'm big of the viewers. Okay let's talk real quick about a couple of more controversial things and then we'll wrap this up. We'll put a bow on it Jesse sorensen. Since i can't hashtag ask dixie. I'll ask you let's catch everybody up. If you're not familiar with this name He was a performer. Who was with the company in february against all odds show in two thousand thirteen. Cm ion did A pretty standard run of the mill. Move from the ring down to the floor. When he hit sorenson sorenson fell funny immediately. anybody watching recognize. Oh something's wrong and that something was with his vertebrae and spinal cord He was Maybe explicitly maybe not explicitly. It was certainly implied that he would have a job with tna for life tna does Find him an office job. Or that's what the rumors and innuendo would. Have you believe. He was assistant and worked in the office and then he was removed from the website and a month later released a year. They're bruce. Tell me about when the injury happens. What happened with his hospital situation when this compromises made or you know the pivot to. Hey we're gonna keep him a job. I'm going to ask the money question. Was he making about the same money. And then when he's gone from the company what were your. What was your reaction kind of. Catch us up and fill in the blanks on all things. Jesse sorensen when jesse not heard. It was a freak accident. It was moved that they done before. And it was simply zima ion that hit jesse on top of his head and crushed vertebrae a gone the other way we would be having a completely different conversation right now. Jesse wouldn't be here and it was a freak accident and was exactly that it was an accident and very unfortunate one. But i was in the truck when it took place and ran out to ringside. I ask bernie. Who was liaison at universal studios to call an ambulance call. Nine one one and people were pretty quick. All johnny on the spot to get jesse but he wasn't moving and when we left him that night at the hospital he was essentially paralyzed from the neck down in a bad way. We didn't know if if that kid would ever walk again and it was a sad horrible situation but throughout it I dare say that. Jesse sorensen is miracle because he was able to walk out and he's able to walk train and he still wrestling. We were in a position where no matter. What kind of shape. He got himself into that. And i told him this personally that i would not bring him back to russell because i know what the injury was and i know how susceptible that he was too injuring himself further. And i didn't want that to be all my hands and the doctor that was there that night would have been the one that would have had to clear him and he wasn't about to clear him so it was a rough position and as time went on jesse really wanted to rustling needed to work. They did give him a spot where he was working at. The television tapings assistant role in an opportunity to learn behind the scenes the production end of the business and he was paid the same thing that he was paid off his contract. Which is in my opinion the lease the company could've done else. Those i mean. That's a good thing for tanay today. Why would you say that's the least they could do. Because it's the least i could do. Well the guy guy gets injured on your on your watch in in your ring and your conditions and and again. It was an accident. But i guess coming from. Wwe if the same thing that happened in wwe there would have been no question He would have been taken care of for a long long time would have been taken care of very well. Is that based on amex. Or you know the difference. It's based on economics. But it's also based on the human beings making the decisions at the highest level there. Do you think that Talk about a guy who was hurting earring. And you kinda credited. Wwe mardi genetics out. They walk around on his fucking ankle right now. Why's vince allowing that to happen. I don't know what. I have absolutely no idea what marty's injuries are. And if i dare say if marty had an injury that a specific injury that took place the debilitated him in the wwe ring. The ben's probably would've taken care of it and back then back in the day you know guys hit those injuries because the fear was it you worked. You worked hurt. And if you didn't fear was i'm gonna lose my spot. Said tape it up and guys would bruce i'd injuries. That's that's true. I know that's what they did. But you can't have it both ways and ceo. Wwe would take care of them. But then what i'm how. How do we didn't have that injury after he left. Wwe somewhere else. Mukasey taped it up because he was afraid. Elizabeth spot okay. What are they doing for draws today. Twenty six say they made a huge settlement withdrawals took real good care draws for many years and made a settlement with him that he agreed to long after that draws from many many years. Let's talk about that. Why have we not seen jesse sorensen lawsuit against tna. Did they make a settlement that we haven't heard about legally i can't get into it. Yes so we're gonna play rumors and innuendo bruce. Pitcher didn't say that conrad director tweets to at. Hey it's conrad the only way there's not lawsuit out of this Just putting the simple math together is that there was a settlement doan so hypothetically. Let's go down this rumors and innuendo rabbit hole. Hypothetically maybe a release versus a settlement per se. But i guess settlement might be pathetically what you might call what you're calling well with this release was there hypothetically check involved hypothetically probably would okay. Let me back up here. The teen i cover all of his medical bills. Jesse would say no one has said no jesse or his family have been in these poor mother. Went bankrupt okay. So that answers that they didn't pay the medical bills when this settlement is reached. Does someone from nashville stick this piece of paper in his face. No one from nashville handle that now. Out allegedly hypothetically somebody from texas does this is this carter. Hypothetically or is this an attorney representing the carters. You'd have to guess on that one. We don't see the one of the carters making trip from texas. Okay so it's an attorney. And he get he probably makes a cash offer Hypothetically does this happen at hospital bed. Hypothetically i could all right. Hypothetically does this check have six digits or five rumor sydney window. Yeah i don't know. I think i don't know i didn't see any check. I didn't see any statement or release or anything like that so rumors and anything anything that would would strictly be rumor and innuendo that the rumors. You endo any office. when did you ever hear of any of raining. Rumors innuendo that. They had settled that. They handled this that. It was taken care of so to speak. Yes well i was point blank. Told that it was all taken care of that several people. Can i guess it was named broadhead. Who's the. cfo. Probably be one of the people. And what you have said. Hey what are we doing with this. Or how handled this or either released when jesse was released now Jesse reach out to you. Once he was released or once she left. yes he did. What does your conversation with. Jesse consists of well. Jesse was just like what the faulk He was taken aback because he he didn't see come and didn't expect it and had been told that he would be taken care of and had told that he would have a job as long as he wanted to job and he still wanted job. So i don't know what the rationale was. What they're thinking process was for letting him go. That's that's something. That was decided. After i left and i it's clearly a cost cutting measures. Not i would assume so. Yeah but still from a cost cutting. Take the water coolers out. I don't know well. That's what i was going to say. I'm not saying this to shit on mr sorenson or diminishes role or his contributions to tna. But i would be guessing that his compensation would have been less than five thousand dollars a month. If i had to ballpark outside three thousand dollars a month and when you have three thousand dollars a month going out as goodwill to take care of one of the guys who you know really sacrificed for you and really did a good job. It seems like you might try to find a way to utilize it's not like he's making hulk hogan money and if we're in cost cutting mode slashing. This is gonna main the difference between kim. We do this taping or not it means. Hey maybe we don't cater the show. Next week i agree with you. Okay overall how would you say t. And a handle the jesse sorensen situation shitty anything else. You wanna touch on on. Sorenson has been touched on to death. Between doing jesse in dixie and all that crap and it's just an unfortunate situation really is sucks a specific conversation with Dixie about jesse. Why lied lots of them At the time but it was. I was led to believe that it was all being taken care of it higher level and then it was you know. Look when i say taking care of. I was led to believe that they were taking care of all of his expenses. Whatever that may be hypothetically if someone broke their neck. You've made this Comparison along time ago. And you've kind of curated for a while. Now heard it recently on the jim coordinator experience you have said that someone and texas at panda compared an independent contractor wrestler with a plumber. And if you have a contract to build a building plumbers plum job they do and if one isn't doing the job you just get another plumber and in jopstone it's done and they kind of correlated that with the independent contractor relationship of impact wrestling and a professional wrestlers that fair to say no. That's exactly true. That's what they said. That was the analogy. That was made to me. So you're the question. Hypothetically somebody a panda energy who's working on the energy side of the business. The profitable side not impact. They're working for paying the energy if they break their fucking neck is a handled the same way i guess so i don't know what did you think that that would be handled the same way or do you think that. They viewed wrestling knowing how they conduct business. Wouldn't surprise me okay. let's talk about something else. A little controversial. The daphne situation Daphne was injured While she was working for tna a lot of people may remember her from ww she started as a valet than did some in ring stuff and ultimately she winds up in a situation where she has workers compensation lawsuit or claim with tna and then the rumors and innuendo would believe that she actually had a lawsuit with the company that was eventually settled Do you have any insight as to what you can separate from rumors and innuendo here. Well as far as daphne goes. She was there. When i got there but i really don't remember because i was just doing backstage production and things of that nature and in have any interaction with her that i remember maybe i did said hello and mount done something but i can't recall i don't think that I don't think i was there when she was hurt. But it Did result in lawsuit whatever it was and my only involvement in in the lawsuit was being made aware of it. And that's that's about it. I didn't have a whole lot to do with that situation other than you know. Hey she's she soon us okay. Let's freestyle swimmers window here. Luscious get to it. There's rumors endo that she had a personal relationship with terry taylor. Terry taylor is gone from the company shortly after you get there And they're supposedly. And i don't know that this happened this message board bullshit miami. But there's rumor innuendo that he's on tape advising her of exactly what to do to get the company to settle. Was there talk in the office. That such a tape existed or that. They had some other form of evidence. That terry taylor was in her ear about how to squeeze money out of the company. I've heard those rumors and innuendo. But i never heard any tape. And i don't know if that exists or not. But i did hear those same rumor and innuendo. I don't know when we'll talk about him again. Do you have any sort of interesting story that you want to share that you can share right now. That could kinda shed some light ontario. Taylor what time is it right now. Story up her story yet okay. There's a good story out there. Ladies and gentlemen about love oh. I like it okay. Good deal Overall anything else you want to add about. Terry taylor here How would if i was asking. Jerry jared how do you feel about terry taylor what would jerry jarrett's i eat you. Now what could he have done. You know to kind of turn this chicken shit gimmick of the red rooster into something. Maybe a little better. Well you know. I mean there's this old expression turn chicken tikka chicken shit into chicken salad you take what you do is you. Take the the cheeky you know right and with where and you know and with the walnut you know and he chop chop up the walnuts you know we know syrup and then you get the great and you. Will you know when you cut the great and then you you get the the mayonnaise no salt and pepper and you know and then you mix it up and yet when you know she. Can you know salad. You know part of the legs jerry. Jerry think deserves it. Nigel mcguinness man. Lots of mystery around this guy. I have always been full disclosure. I was always a big fan of mcginnis in ring of honor. I spent a lot of time Enjoying his stuff and then he eventually makes his way to tina and there was lots of question marks about the end of his career. And we're not gonna just tiptoe around. It came out that he had hepatitis and he has a phenomenal documentary. That kinda curious you through the end of his in ring career called the last of mcginnis if you haven't seen it it's worth checking out is a little depressing Just because it's a guys dream dying right there on camera and he's very real about it but for whatever reason people were very hush hush about this. Hepatitis situation I know it doesn't have the best reputation and it It obviously hurt his career. But you know just in real life people you know. Think of this as like a dirty disease Kind of carry me through when you first hear about his situation and what led the end of his ruin and tina well as as you said as he was diagnosed with hepatitis and that came out of a blood test for a believe it was the state athletic commission. I don't know which one but they did. Big series of blood test for the athletic commissions that required that once a year and nigel's joel's apparently had come back that he had hepatitis and he could work. He couldn't get licensed anywhere in with that knowledge. Tna couldn't allow him to continue to compete in the rain with the threat of him Bleeding or spreading that that z. So they couldn't use them anymore and they tried to use him and As a color commentator. They tried to use him for some different things. But it just didn't didn't work well. Let's get to it. He a commentator on explosion. And you've told me a story off the air that i think people need hear the rumors and innuendo actually. It's not you just told me you guys were. You had him making good money for what he was going to be doing on a. b. show which was explosion and you honoring your wrestling payday to him in that role and then he started to make some unusual requests or demands. And you shut that shit down. Can you curious through that story and the actual day when you had a lower the hammer. What's your back and forth with him. Was that i well gum. In his role and company was he was doing commissioner thing for explosion which was a third world television show basically but it was their secondary show and and not really seeing a lot of people Except internationally and it didn't have distribution internationally and nigel was was showing up later and later tv tapings and the guys that work there would have to be there at one o'clock in nigel who's local couldn't show up till three four o'clock in the afternoon sometimes and i had a talked with nigel. And you know man. I don't know what to do with you. Can't work and he kept trying to convince us that he was okay to work and he has a doctor and a semantic doesn't matter ye it's out there and the blood test is what the blood test is so you can get a doctor says you can do it but our doctor says no rom so this goes on and i'm asking him to show up on time to do what he needs to do or figure out and he explains to me that he was auditioning for theater for parts in a play and there were several plays that he wanted to participate in and that he had auditions and he had to go to during the day in couldn't get to work where he was paid money to show up for on time because he was auditioning for plays. That was my essentially my al because great you know what rather than us stand in your way and and us rather than having us having to ask you to show up to work two or three hours earlier. Do your job that you're getting check for. Why don't we just give your release and you can be on your way and you can continue to pursue your theatrical dreams and his response is well. it's community the and i'm just thinking to myself. This fucking guy is going on dishing for community theatre replace and yeah and risking his job where he's getting a check with zeros on it in my comment and he can't show up to work because he's auditioning for a role on the community theater so he's doing this or when this conversation happens You have this edict from the top. Hey we're supposed to be cutting the budget. And now you have a guy who is choosing community service essentially over a pay deal where you really just trying to give him something to do to be a nice guy. You feel a little taken advantage of and it's a little bit like a slap in the face. Is that fair some up. That's fair so when you tell him. Hey no best luck with your community theater. We're gonna partways what happens. It just took him forever to leave and a just was awkward. It was just weird but e he just fell that he was out a job for whatever reason and he wanted us to to change the way that we did business so that he can continue to do community theatre work and and whatever else he wanted to do with us and it just wasn't gonna work that way. Have you spoken to nigel since you cut him. No he's going to bury you after this scandal. On okay okay. I don't know what he can bury me for. I just simply told the truth and told the story everything happened. Where do you watch a movie in the movie. Place movie theater. What the hell do you say. Say theater okay. So you unchain mcmahon. Shane mcmahon is the only other person lives every giving me shit about the way. I say theater. Well i we have. We have a lot in common then. let's run through this. We got see things left to get to and then i'm done Well i guess one thing. Let me just mentioned the because we're gonna get tweets about it. If i mention it i know what you're gonna say. Go ahead and say what did you like about. Working with. Kevin nash and tna kevin's Last day was my first. Day and kevin was gone while i was there. Okay the tna hall of fame. You've told me a couple of stories about this. That just blow my mind and i want you to share them with everybody One how the idea comes about to the situation with this. We'll watch three the guest speaker for the hall of fame. The the person who's going to induct sting and how that came about and then the way. The talent was handled at the all hall of fame. Can you kind of run us through that because this is just a fascinating. Look into all things. Tina may well nicki wanted. You know to do all things. You know On the all things. Wwe i guess and she wanted to have a hall of fame and it only ten years but by god she wanted to have a hall of fame and instead of inducting one in most of our opinion would've been the logical in the at that time that being jeff jarrett she wanted to induct sting and so by god we were gonna end up staying in. That was all it was one guy in a pay per view that we had out in phoenix and as we got closer to cannon became the question of what the hell are we gonna do. What what is the hall of fame induction. They were selling tickets to an event to a hall of fame inducting sting but god forbid i asked the question. Okay what is that said curiosity. What what is this. We are selling tickets to and the answer is well. It'll be a nice presentation and dinner and we'll inducting into the hall of fame okay. What exactly does that entail. And the only thing that had been thought out at that point was essentially that we would all get together and give staying watch. And everybody's happy people are gonna pay to eat dinner and have Dried chicken from the marriott. And watch dixie gibbs thing watch so try to get together with folks and tried to come up with some kind of a presentation and try to do something special for staying who is deserving of a hall of fame whether it be tna or wwe or wcw. Whatever he is a hall of famer is career is worthy of that so is trying to lay out a presentation. Who's going to induct him. Who who can we have from his past. Who can we have from his career. And then we have hulk hulk and that's good but since you only have one guy what is your show to the audience that is paying money to come and sit down and see this thing. So we wanted to have more people involved other than hulk in dixie sugata. Aj of all and then the suggestion was made. What about lex luger. Because lex luger was an integral part of stings history. They were good friends and thought it would be nice to have lex there. And she was fine with that but where it became. Tricky was when i said well much. Can we pay lex. And she was little dumbfounded at the suggestion that we might have to pay him anything which. I was a little dumbfounded that she was dumbfounded. Because i'm sitting there thinking here's a guy who's sitting home not doing anything. I don't know that he was hard but he was. Maybe a native money could use the money. And i didn't insult him and say. Hey you wanna come out and eat some really shitty chicken at the marriott name ducky buddy into the hall of fame. we'll pay. We'll pay your airline ticket. But you're going to have to room with bob ryder You know. I just didn't feel that was the way to approach this thing Finally got him a payday and we agreed to pay him something but the interesting thing had a little show pay him something which implies she wound up paying him you had kinda beat her up about to get him a little more. Yes and so we were trying to lay this whole thing out number. I'm talking in generalities about we've got all the talent there and she's like the the question comes back to me before i don't want to catch off again i'm sorry to this lurid and ask for any money. I wanna clarify that. No he didn't. I didn't want to go to him and ask him to do this offering him more. Want somebody to hear this and think oh and was negotiating for more money. That's not absolutely not wanted to go and convince pays guys five grand to do the deal. I don't think that that's super cafe number. If you participate in the hall of fame you're going to check five grand. Thanks for playing I assume that the tna chac was a fraction of that. Whatever you guys gave luger but even getting that to that point was a struggle with dixie. Okay got i didn't want to cut you off. I just didn't want the board to say all lugar negotiated more money. Not sure and so going forward. I'm trying to lay out stuff. And the subject of talent comes up. And someone. And i don't even remember who ask so you asked me i. I really don't remember who asked but they said well do we take the we deduct from the talents pay for the hall of fame banquet. How should we do that. Oh my god the dinner the shady chicken and the sweet tea. Yes you know thinking to myself you've got the this. This is a rib. Well no because it's like twenty four dollars or twenty eight dollars ahead and you want talent to be there and eat for free so it was It was an uphill battle. And finally i went through the craziness of asking talent to show up if you'd like to go to the hall of fame which they should want to go to the hall of fame inducts thing be. They're not gonna ask you pay thirty dollars for shitty chicken and unsweetened and once we get through that and come up with a decision that hey we'll make it an added. A deal will sit the talent with fans in the audience and we'll have a talent per table but dixies come back to that was just ask which talent wanna come and we'll just use the that wanna be there. Some of them probably won't wanna come. Which was insulting to me and insulting to staying. And that's me saying it was insulting staying. Not him saying it I just thought it was shitty. But that's how they did it so laying out this little production and guess who is the only person that shows up on time actually early to go over the show that day ahead of the ceremony. Staying hell no close. Sales was professional. I'm sorry is professional very professional. That's why he had to go to dinner with dixie. Because she wanted to have dinner with him she wanted to take him out for a special dinner beforehand before they actually went to the dinner for the hall of fame. She wasn't gonna shitty chicken and shitty ice tea cogan guy that gets the bad rap for you know never wanting to do anything being difficult to work with the only guy that was there showed up early and was right there. What are we gonna do. Dixie didn't show up dixie instinct. Didn't show up to fifteen minutes before we're ready to go live and it was blue just blew my mind. It really did. A j styles showed up. He was late but he hadn't excuse he was doing an appearance released he got there. He got there early before the show to go through his stuff and just absolutely blew my mind. In addition to that Also pat kenny. Myself matt conway and ghana. We were told that they did not have enough meals to feed us. Oh my gosh so we could need we go. we go. They were going to allow me to go is senior vice president talent relations and programming. They were going to allow me to go to the hall of fame dinner. But i couldn't eat does it didn't have enough meals so i got a case and a half a beer and make sure my guys taking care of and then we watch the hall of fame presentation. The fans are. What did the boys said. They have their with the fans that was like one talent per table so table. They had one talent table. I'm watch nerd as you know. I have watched collection. And i'm Silly for watches. I noticed Or my watched. Kurt angle's induction. He was put into the ta hall of fame in february fourteen. And when i watched this. I noticed the rolex box make an observation for you. Gave kurt angle used rolex watch. You can tell from the box if you bought enough alexis. you know. that's a box. I don't use anymore They don't like that at all the outer box or the inner box and the watch gave him is a stainless date. just now i am not crapping on this Gesture at all because it gives people you know what's essentially that clash ring but it's the presentation in the way it's handled. It feels weird to me that they're giving guys usual rolexes. It's almost like if you can't afford a new one. Give him a fucking class ring. Why would you give him a us. Watch i'm not saying that. They gave kurt angle a used watch. I'm just saying that i do know that. Stained got a new watch. How do you know that. Because i got a form. So what was that process like. If we're negotiating how much chicken. We're going to give the talent for free. I can't imagine this process of navigating what watch in which watch with. Dixie carter carry us through you ever see rocky three thunderlips. Well clubber lang. I will describe the process of getting the watch for staying as cluber lay clubber lang and rocky three in one word. What does that mean. You guys just bash that fluent area. There's multiple roic sailors that you guys just ride on down. The king jewelers constant battle of of. I want to get him a nice watch. And i have a very dear friend of mine that i know my entire life was jeweler. Who takes very good care of me. And is you know getting a deal on a new rolex. Is tom certain amount that you can get a discount on but not much more very closely monitors that resale where some other brands don't right. And and my buddy was was offering essentially a rolex cost but had about with dixie who was looking online at used watches and things online. And as you know and anybody that deals in rolex usually if you're buying a rolex online it is a refurbished used rolex are what they would call grey market which would be wear and tear gas pushing his inventory out the back door. He's been paying interest on it. He doesn't wanna case queens so now he selling something that's technically new but it's been in his case two years so he'll push it out the back there. A grey market but then rolex will not honor the warranty any. They'll even where terry out the warranty card. Yes i'm i'm just say yeah correct. And that's but that's reality folks abuse so the word of the wise if you buy rolex online yuri again what conrad just described or. You're getting a used furbish rolex because rolex does not authorize anybody online to sell rolex current gotta go to authorize and this was authorilex dealer and and he was given it to me at cost and i had to battle with us all this one online and it was cheaper. Then get the one online if you like that one better than get that one. I've got this one brand new has got warranties got papers got brand new boxes all brand new. It's it's what it is. It is at cost due to a lifelong friendship with with my buddy and Using a a lifelong relationship you have to the company solid and then probably wound up looking like an asshole correctomundo You know. I'm watching her. Nobody listening here's what model rolex did you guys give him. I don't even remember it was a it was a stainless steel where he playing wasn't mariner. Oh no it was just Probably is yes okay. Well let's let's watch super nice gesture. I just felt like giving her angle used rolex. It's like a fucking Dixie carter or here. This is what we're gonna finish on. I found it interesting that I don't know what you want to talk about what this lawsuit or don't wanna talk about this lawsuit but in the middle of the world coming down crashing around or in october with the lawsuit from american express and then from the production company and then the state tax lien and everybody just kind of jumping in there now. Multiple lawsuits the same week and then thinks seemingly coming to ahead with billy corgan and then of course we all know the billy corgan lawsuit. There's just lots of back and forth and craziness. Are we going to be able to make the next pay per view or we. Our next set of tapings is the show cancelled. All around. Dixie in the middle of all this since auto tweet about her action figure and i was blown away about this and since you a screen shot like look this yet because the timing of it just seemed ridiculous to me and you said hey if you only knew and i even saw a response from eric bischoff trader said. All of you only knew i know. Bischoff has lawsuit with cnn. So we're not going to talk about that but it makes me think. Hey this is worth talking about It's the dixie. Carter action figure and on october twenty first right in the middle of the shit storm she tweets out. Hashtag flashback friday to in my action. Figure i came out. It went personalized at shop. Tna now and one of the very first responses was To me that said is this a hashtag rib It's not a rib. You were there when this action figure. I came out. I want you to kind of talk about the funny story that we don't know about this action. Figure that bischoff alluded to and then i want you to just assess what the fuck is going through her. Mind to be to lack the level of self awareness. Where in the middle of your entire company you know being in doubt and in question all the talents wondering to have a job. I don't have a job all these livelihoods are on the line. And you're pushing your fucking action figure on twitter at all up though doesn't it. I mean doesn't that explain a lot. I've only met her in passing. I met her at a ufc in the afc. I read nashville. She was there she was super nice inhospitable once the initial again. Same thing very pleasant. Everybody says that though. She's a nice lady. She's a sweet lady this seems like narcissism that would even make vince mcmahon blush on your fucking companies going out of business. And you're you're tweeting about your goddamn x. Figure little scary when that action figure. I came out. She had spots that she wanted on. Tv where's dixie. You take a picture of of the dixie. Carter action figure wherever it is and it would be plugged on twitter and on tv. It absolutely silly about it was absolutely ridiculous but We we did a retreat about this time. The word dixie campaign was going on and we lo and behold somebody from nashville so it could not have been meet. Had a dixie carter figure and while we were in cave creek. We went ahead and shot several Several several wears dixie locations with the dixie action figure and after a few beers thirty or ninety. We started sending those pictures back to dixie. And she wasn't all that happy. But we had dixie right. They're drinking with us. We had we had the beer bottle. And right there at The ottawa cafe and cape pre-care zona. One group the single greatest biker bar. You'll ever experience if you ever go to cave creek goto the hideaway cafe. Greg blazed but So yeah we had dixie all over cape creek. And she didn't seem to find the humor in it. So what read in. What did you guys have. The dixie doll doing in cave creek might have done little pole. Dancing might have had some bearman. Handsome pizza Pouring sugar out to align no. We didn't do that. That would be crass dance on a poll much classier well thought so but yeah it was. It was just silly stuff like that. But you you're right and it's but again that just kind of sums up why they're in the shape they're in tell me of another instance you can think of this to me is just. I know i've talked about it. You know two jobs but good. Lord you're in the middle of this shit store and your tweeden abacha doll like well. How about you're in the middle of not being able to pay your talent on a regular basis in your checks or late. Two three four five six weeks late and you're honeymooning or getting remarried in ireland with your entire family tweeting out pictures of staying in scottish castles every night did that too. And i'm back in the states. Having to weather the storm taking calls from guys going. What the faulk. Thank you summed up. It sits a very little self awareness and actually realize what the hell is going on in the real world any other. Funnier interesting stories. You can share with us about dixie. Carter let me get by. Because i don't know we'll talk about her and well you know I don't i. I think we've i think we've covered. I think we we hit. We hit the point on. Tna man i think we it turned into next week. He is on twitter. At bruce prichard. I'm on twitter. Hey conrad throws a follow. You'll be glad you did. And we'll see you here next week on something to wrestle with richard marston for another edition here of lou nation. Right here on play dot in. I'm the co host the co-pilot thompson but of course the man of the hour is the nature boy ric flair. Rick we've got a great yesterday. We do a man that is well traveled but obviously one of the most intelligent guys our participate in our business on so many different levels for writing to performing to scripting booking. He's done it all for Wwe and dna and. I'm i met bruce. It's bruce prichard People should be able to figure that out. He's done so much in. The business have been so successful and such a big part of the business. But i i met bruce after one end the at after one end of the title and he was to make it he got gotta start a bullet struck by wrong with the legendary paul bosch who has passed away years ago. But bruce i think pretty much book The count came in on a few and then after paul forgave The end of ea. When harley missed the shot he started using again for our using bach. Winco but I think bruce was influential and get evian involved in the houston market. Which was a great place to work and fall with. Great payoff guy. So everybody's how you doing man Doing great jim. Thank you very much for having me on now. Thank you mad doctrine appreciate. What's what are you doing. I i mean my main thing right now I'm working for a friend of mine and in the legal field but no my passions wrestling. I'm working with booker. T. who's got a wrestling school down here. Yeah puts on a television show locally county. You're talking about paul bosch. And he's doing the same thing paul was doing. We're book shows in. Houston we do television. We've got a huge announcement coming up that we're we're going to be moving our television from where currently is to a cherry timeslot On a local station here with a lot of backing and can be making some big moose. Get with young talent. it's hungry wants to learn. It goes out buster at every single night. And alas i have an idea we are getting your money up just to give The influence of bruce prichard my life. When i was with. Wwe with bruce was there Bruce has a very very close friend. Who is a multimillionaire. Conrad he's kind of. He's in a furniture business right so he put us on a ten after. Yeah every year right. so yeah. Bruce says hey. Let's bring flair in He likes to play tennis. I used to like to play. When i was younger. It will happen. Play some kid and Have a little fun and it's it was a big tournament Blake was there The kid that just retired. What's his name. The handsome guy. Andy roddick and erotic with everything. Big time people there Pete sampras if he was there and I'm good friends at mcenroe anyway. So i thought that'd be cool so i get to this tournament so bruce goes well they want you to go out and play at set with the kid. It's like okay so it's a twelve year twelve year old kid state champion. I i didn't score a point. You find a ten thousand people at twelve year old kid kick my ass do what. They did the bradshaw. The kid meet bradshaw well Rocky held a bag in the other hand. I can't believe that. I'm not bradshaw pleads. I couldn't find bruce. I was gonna kill them to twelve years old guy and i couldn't return it serve twin but it could be a twelve year old. Jim not really again not really knowing. But i'm sure you're gonna hear that phrase a lot throughout this rick thing. I could killed bruce. Yeah that's why it's one of those over the years you've already twice Once when carlito problem which we talked about in the show last week. I had a big argument with with vince and This someone called in and asked that question Was i really matter carlito. And the answer was no. But bruce prichard came and got me. I was so mad at vince. I was doing the show. Bruce campbell guidance that havens much kind of big promo in colorado. And he was with tori wilson which you know that that that wasn't really have many ways had to reaffirm nat lord. So i i gave you the best of and i've found out booth called me and said god's installed that was great canceling the program with you and kennedy for us maintenance june carlito jolly chicago for nothing and three hours before the show they cancelled me. Khalil events gave me a lecture by going out there in the warm-up match from being a team player oh my god what a bullshit statement. You need to lead black example. Go out there and a warm-up match at wrestlemainia right am i right for this. Yeah you know i. It was never boring back then. That wasn't man. Jesus rose comey 'cause these are questions that maybe comrades got it written down. I just have so much on my mind to ask you. I never understood in. I do know that you went back and forth but pretty much at the same pace that heyman did with coming and going with the wwe. And i kind of figured it was like You know familiarly breeds contempt because back then there was only about four or five writers. Correct me if i'm wrong instead of twenty. And they vince with on these guys so hard every day i mean. We're talking about pat. We're talking about bruce. An was there when you were there. Oh yeah it had to been her while he's done it. Jesus but It back and forth. And i you know i would see bruce bruce. I'm going on vacation up for three months. And then they'd figure out that need roosevelt or vice versa. Back and then you know disappear again so filled me in on that with what what would happen. You guys just got it. Just got to the point where you were having a hard time being creative every week and what well you know for you. gotta imagine. Imagine being with vince. Twenty two years. Yeah and you know by by bennie. Was here man. It was date in in day out. Yeah and after a while you know you hit a wall and you got you got to step away. Got step away. Smell the roses and be able to try to come up with something different and creative in new and the only way to do that a lot of times. Get away from it. Yeah and you have to complete with just decompress. And then when you're you're back in it you know you can. You can go off for three months and get away from it. You come back and within three or four days. You're swamped all over again. You're you back in that rat race. Well when you wait wait. Intense would be an understatement. You so when you were And the role of brother lover you Rating at the same time. I was when i was doing that. I was Running the tv studio and minson pats. We didn't have the cable. Tv wasn't like it is out that were tv. That was syndicated. So yeah you know. vincent pat wrote that for the most part. I did all the table stuff. But then i oversaw all the editing and oversaw the production of it in his his behind the thing there too in the studio and stanford exactly an- anywhere on. Tv as brother loved real weirdo. Now shows to whether when i when i was a good boy and i would. That would be my sabbatical. That would be my. You know vincent let me go out for a couple of months and she. She's an angle where i could go and hit the house shows for two or three months and that would be. That would be my prize. I know that he's out in the. I know he tried to keep you briscoe part but all. That's legal so guys. If you guys had just gone to portland once a year and fine get getting. We could edit that out kid when gerald brisco and routes where together it was always something that was ruthless. There this is a great story. Conrad which. I loved it when i heard it when When bischoff said to jerry briscoe and of course You imagine Bruce started up that nobody. Anybody could be sixty year. Old man birth thing. I'm the yellow game hangout. A question for you. 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We had a few We'd have few dope beverages and until various. That's why and he can't be that chuck expect it will your ass and we just egged it on. And they've on. And so jerry knows to stay. Eric stood up. And we did the circle of our chairs. And everything and jerry jones to stand up and eric stands up and jerry. Double legs in and eric just basically fat right back down in the chair and and Jerry linda will shed the way i see that jerry bischoff score point on you. You couldn't take him now. More smoke started coming out of Miss hristo here and telling eric come on air. He's six years old. He's not that tough. And jerry commenced to take eric down in ride him and you build our where he kept your hand and smothering the other person. Yeah well briscoe is doing this. Eric and you can hear that just that just face suffocated tell ya and take him out and finally gets down to hasim cooked and and Go out very politely. Yeah well when he does that we had just told the story about jerry. Making bad shots half out and French aw gave a dainty tap out. Briscoe looked scratch. Step out like being in texas we all stays. I ain't no tap out hilton and it any manage and then we proceeded you drink every single beer in the bar. Everyone yeah something new. I've been on the other risks. Go riding around stuff too. That's no fun No no it's not that conrad seen now from tj. Try it with briscoe a couple of times. So he's still he's still taking on all comers at the bar briscoe. What just had jerry and the show talking about piper Bruce it's always nice to hear from him in all you always had four heart attacks in the last three years yeah married In routings one of those guys that you know read man you can count five people. You can count your friends on one hand in the business. We call friends. That's pretty good. You're doing not counting body. And now we went back and he was one of those guys with very few people could hang with and our talks. You know back in my younger day in such a great pride act can hangs roddy and then do everything and go. You know drink for drink. Whatever whatever and And hang there until he puts you to bed riding. No we'll put. The the best part was just fast forward. I don't know what it was an be like two thousand and two thousand three and both hogan and piper back and they were going somewhere else and jerry school and i had Right about the time that carlito it started because he brought jerry pablo room. We're in we're in jerry's room we're drinking and Various assorted those things and hyperion. Hogan come to the room so hang out and have few party favors and before you know. It's three o'clock in the morning and putting piper and hogan boasts to bet. Y'all just looked in general. Well these are the guys that the you know everybody about back in the day that we're putting them to get running. Roddy roddy was a a walking talking. knockout punch. I've saw him. What put my blue into bed. The name a of the fans won't remember but of course you remember them. I make guide. I remember martin. I said i remember marquis very well. He was Yeah you're gonna be your soon to be experiencing the conrad is and i've heard i'm looking forward to it. I well you need to bilo problem. Reserve a nice guy too on top of some beers. Oh i know. You're vodka guy bruce but The seaman can give you a run brownie bad walker out if place. You can burn up for three thousand calories elevator the elevator. I quit walking. Oh my gosh bruce. We're excited have you on the show and a lot of longtime fans may remember this and it seems like me has chosen to kind of scratches much of this as they can but the undertaker is back on. Tv these days in the very first time he was on tv. He had a different manager than paul barrett. Right all. yeah it was beautiful brother love before all was you remember. Yes yes and i because the whole thing man. I wanted to bring him in. Because i wanted to. I'd seen i saw him when he first started in regular room. Remember this name. He remind didn't so much of don. Jr. dean oh yeah of course work for a big man. Yeah and I follow them through. Wcw and paul ryan called me and said hey guys available you interested and went to bed since. Hey they can look at this guy. Can i wash then. He looks contol basketball player. And then We haven't set the come in and meet with vents and before he had a match with lex luger on wcw pay per view marquette a dislocated hip but worked match anyway. Because he knew that he was going to be meeting with the next day. Well he's working with lex with the biz located. It wasn't the best matching the world and and then more than one meet with him and we finally got the two together and as you know mark. Now he's just he's the magnetic in another himself and he convinced influenced the hey. I'm your guy and took off from there. Gotta tell you. Accounts comes to producing these podcasts. 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You guys trying to find a person to fill the role of the undertaker or did that come about. Only once you madam. Now that came about once took a look at it so i looked like an old timey that he was doing They've automated did the movie with hogan suburban commando. That's right yes sir. In the outfit that he war it made him look like an old tiny undertaker. And that's how you know. I mean i. It's time i just wanted to bring in chain this killer and the undertaker ball and he's made it made it all on. I mean it it's the greatest I mean it's the greatest gimmick in the world and the guy he lives at He's a little looser now about it. But i mean these back in the ninety s and that and You know from the time for started. I mean he was. He was the undertaker. I mean i i. I'll tell people all the time you would see the merchandise Big time in the states for when you went over to europe everybody was dressed up like the undertaker. My saying that was all. Yeah i everybody. There was three hundred people standing outside the building when undertaker close i mean coats. Yeah i don't know what it's merchandise checks were back then. What i'm sure they were. They were they were very good. They were healthy well. It's it's really out there character you know certainly about today's you know standard of what wrestling is. How does that. Come about bruce. When you i say hey of looks like an old time he undertaker you sit and somebody sketches it out and then you talk through you. Know he'll sit straight up and we'll put some makeup on him. What does that kind of. Look like back in the day. What would a creative process for character. The undertaker look like well we. We had a whole creative apartment and you know we give them the idea you know kind of an overall then they would would get you out. They would meet with the talent to take a look at it in sketch out their outfits and but the you know the overall look a lot of times that came from. Vince came from you. Know his messed up. Head and then evolves you know you get them out there in the ring you figure out what works and a lot of that was was. Take doing this thing. And i was a big fan of jason and guy What the hell is humor them. Jeff van kamp brick. Yeah who did the humongous gimmick. Yes he more. The hockey mask like jason. This guy would do the setup. And i saw that. It was just with shrinks in the arena. And he will do it And bichat to take her and he did it and it was the same feeling because you got this monster. His dad he pops up and all of a sudden turns in and it was just magic but The taker man mark was able to just make that character though become that cherif or he believes in which made everyone else believe in it wasn't doubting well you know what's funny i mean i i i think and i've got. I wrestled them In the ninety s and then of course i wrestled them our wrestlemainia and a couple of other times in the two thousand two thousand four five whatever it was actually thousand to actually was eighteen was to. That's right. yeah that was thousand. That was in toronto right arab match really. Got me back up and running in terms myself confidence. But i thought that the march work that he got better You know up until a couple of years ago. He just continued to get better every year. Yeah it wasn't understanding of character just that you know you have to he. He didn't have a every day of working with the rock. And austin and guys that can really going. I mean he was stuck in the situation that we've all been at times but i mean if you look at my i mean he wasn't diving over the top rope twenty years ago and do it like you like the stuff he does shawn and hundred and he did with. I can't get it with brock. But it's over the top running across the ring. Six nine two hundred eighty pounds or six ten years. Don't see that from a guy and he's bouncing around like raymond stereo walking there oprah's nothing and that's just a small part of what makes him so great and of course then the timing the issue of timing with that in when he when he's laying down in sits up and i mean i was conrad last year and bray. Wyatt went into that reverse thing that he does that and take that up and i bought died. I mean that was great in the timing was phenomenal and they had a caliber match. Laughter thought recognition. It should have gotten in my opinion alabama fan of freeway to that kid. And there's another stuff none save with conrad dot com mc saving money fast and easy. But don't take my word for it. Lasts carl right there. In michigan he writes. I want to say thank you to derrick jones who super responsive and informative not only. Did we save more than one. Hundred thousand dollars on our mortgage by removing several years off of it. 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I mean he just one and the other bowl is great too and now makes Youngest daughter is a get into the announcing up in annex t. so yeah we'd heard she had to try out but you're hearing maybe she'll be an answer all Well i was there. When she tried out for i i would assume she's a beautiful girl and she knows a lot. The business You know i. I can't see why she wouldn't get it but the answer. I don't know if she got it or not. So i'm just rick rick rick. Who would let her daughter into this this right now every day. Just glad she's on the main roster and all you kidding me for two years. Dad win win win. Dad dad and when when actually i can say i don't want you know call anything when now it's now it's after the show match how to look really okay. Well she she is her father's daughter. Thank you we just try too hard. I think going back. A few years. Bruce back when you first made your way to the wwf and started working for vince mcmahon. How did that come about. I know you had done some stuff with boston. Some stuff with the u. w. f. but then eventually you make the move to new york. How did that. I encounter with vince. Go and and how did you come about to be a full-time player there. We'll i was. I was working for football watson from boston. Houston and bill wanna to expand and during that time. Bill was trying to sell his company to jim. Crockett and the few times that i had worked for crockett. There just wasn't just sitting work. I mean i say didn't work but the gym and i had no report I didn't know jim crockett. So if time eddie gilbert was working at south and he told me he was going to meet with thence with mitzi. And he's a. Would you ever be interested in going to new york. And i said well hell and gave vince my name and number and i ended up calling this first thing out of his mouth was. Would you consider relocating the stanford. I didn't even know where. Stanford yes. And i you know just kept on it and finally When watt sold the crockett bosch and want to have anything to do with crockett. And we opened up dialogue with bents. And i was kind of part of that deal and i didn't wanna be wanted to go. I wanted my whole wanted to break away. 'cause some real my own then use them. Since i was ten i was twenty four years old. You know so. I was an old man. I need to go and Then brought me up in for the first month. I didn't have a job. Brought me up and said take a look around you know working promotions working marketing or not Worked with him in patent. Boogeyman is figuring out what you want to do. And i fell in love with the tv. And i mean. Because that's what i did in houston as well was i love producing the tv show and putting it together. And that's where. I kind of ended up so she knows what was the old man. Perseverance from never gave up. Wouldn't take no for an answer. Get pushing and pushing and push until he finally says. I'm on up. Well bruce you brought a lot to the table. I mean it goes without say that they want the most intelligent guys over work in this business And i as i said earlier i just Then as it is now but it's just so many more people involve eight the guy just. He's so intense. And then you know. Ultimately the product is so good and so accessible but he's a very intense guy and that's i was just. I don't know how you guys can do it. I mean i. I had a hard time. One time bruce. You were there when he made me and we are in golf for mississippi. Made me talk to you. Empty building eleven o'clock at night about elizabeth. remember that. oh already made three. Tv's waited the whole renew and he wanted me idea with that. I was talking about high was with before savage. And all that. But i was talking to an empty bill saying jeez again. Do it again okay. That was the other thing. When when i came to and i and i would ask rick. Do it again just one time looking. Wwf ain't it's fine. I'd say again i would. I would ask you to do something over and you would go up. You're not this is not the. Wwe it's cutting out. It's crane alone. Yeah one cake. Nate's man. I don't need to be doing it for three other guys. That can't do there. Well you were with them and you know it's funny bruce as i I tell people I didn't always agree with what was going on. But it was so that was an easy in. I mean and And i'm not gonna mention this. Because i was gonna ask anyway but You know bruce had been through so much with his wife cancer and all that. And i think that's the reason you have. Wbz last time right was to be home for a while. Yeah that was you know. I mean towards the end it was there. Were a lot of rumor innuendo a lot of times. When i go away out i can knock on wood and my wife is healthy now. The and never wanted a public. I always you know. I would rather have people whispering about me than talking about her. Yeah no no. I know and if you don't blackness just no i'm fine i was so i was so glad to defined as his close friends but i the day showed up patina. I was so glad. Because i said god this. There's no way that this guy. I think and turns around but man that with a ship run at it already sailed. I mean really what you have to admit what's was their holy cow not enough It was rough because you know. Unfortunately you didn't have. We didn't have the backing and you didn't have the tools to turn up. You have the talent. Yeah they had the knowledge. Yeah but i think. I think what are the most difficult things for me was is nice as she is And she is a nice person. Dixies communication a talent and what was going on was just late years apart from what was really taking place. Would you agree with that. Bruce all wholeheartedly. It was rough bruce. I'm getting there brusca. Tell somebody something and in that role that should be you know in in the role i've worked under in. It should be like that. That's the bottom line. it's it. But then bruce had the deal with hulk and on came eric and then in came. Rousseau and bruce has got all deal with dixon apart in the parking lot. And i don't know why to this day. She likes to pull aside or the talent will pull her aside. Whichever way it goes and they'll make a deal with her and of course she doesn't relate to bruce. Dixie told me this. And i mean. I've done some of that whether you know what i mean. It's just strange. And i don't. It's not malicious. it's just it just a very difficult way to do business after you've been in the professional From fashionable atmosphere of the wwe. That a fair statement. Yeah that's that's that's fair. And the i mean you really just summed it up because it was difficult to your job when after you would put something into motion. Something else would be putting the motion in. You never even knew about it until it was way after the factor too late. Yeah and What's this. Oh i talked to him and don't worry about it. That was a budget. I don't don't worry about it. Don't revert bruce. Given example of a story like that you were heading in one direction and found out after the fact that was no longer the direction. Wow you know. Unfortunately that there were there were too many even remember. But but a lotta times. There were things that to something all up out of. Let's say fifty talent on the roster. You had well when i started. I won't say there were seven or eight different version different versions of contracts and they were all completely different. And you know there were. There were instances where callum was guaranteed one hundred fifty days but they were only working. They were only able to work. You know seventy two. They only ran seven events. Got a contract for honor and fifty. There's so many things like that that unfortunately you know there were different people at different times. And in that position things got grandfathered in. And you know the right hand. A lot of times didn't know what the left hand was doing and people would just go into business for themselves and it was challenging. You know to deal with an office. In dallas with an energy company that builds power plants doesn't understand the wrestling business for the entertainment business doesn't understand the nuances to independent. Contractor is a plumber so unwanted independent contractor dom. Just replace him with another. That's not how you do it with talent. Maybe independent contractors but their talent you know ric flair does can't just replace them with another independent contract and and have the same thing time out right. Now tell everybody about something going on with your dogs. no i'm not talking about A couple of your favorite boys behind the scenes. Like michael hayes. Or ed costs you know talking about your real dogs. Like roger. roger dodger dam and the official dog of something to resume. 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If i'm around the guys which i am a firm on the time like i'm going to new york tomorrow with conrad for the whole week this to my daughter for summer slam but it is Is there how does jarrett keep getting back. There was nice. Yeah i send you got me. What is the deal. I mean after all the things up and down in the south with Kurt and dixie and you know. I mean i don't even begin to know i personally. I like jeff. But i just know that there's been some misgivings in a way. That place is running for a long time and some people made a lot of money. You know what i mean. Yes that's a head scratcher head scratcher. Yeah i see what convert. What's your take on that. I don't have anything nice to say. so let's contain. I question bruce year rick. We're in a great segment called. Tna gut check once and the talk online. Is that the fly rick kind of win against the grain and changed his vote. Is that the real story or what really happened in that gut check real story. I i vaguely remember that. They wanted me to say something about someone. I didn't think it was good enough right on the flats changed it but again keep in mind that the direction that was given to me direction that was given to rick direction. It was given to all of us in that so was be real. Shoot with it. Oh yeah yeah that's right so you know you tell somebody be. We don't want to know what you're gonna do. Just go out there and shoot by the way. Here's what we want you to do. So this kid you know we we. We had no intention really at the time of the contract and everything he just bring work was not those not fair and probably work would sing with them. It's just one great so we say no and he gets a chance to turn it around. There were willing to yes. Vote in the no vote. And i'm going get the The final vote will. Rick changes his vote. I said he was terrible. Right said he was terribly kind of problem. You said you know what sort of change my opinion. Yes don't so. I i say got. I said he was terrible before he cut the promo. You said he was terrible. And you voted. No yes then. The kid and and al voted. Yes and it was up to me and the the kid promo to try and you know you hear just thirty seconds convince us to give you a contract and once it comes problem you grab the microphone and said you know what was hell of a promo changed my vote. Yes i do. Okay now. I got it. It was something like the guy had a death in the family and really did a good job with the promo dedicating. It's all coming back to me now. Who's dead and so the the the joke online is. The kid who wanted couldn't even legally work in the states. He didn't have a visa. Is that true back yeah drive. that's fantastic. How am i guide. Y you know funny really talented. Something you know i got. I can talk to you all day. Long how much fun was it back in the beginning of working with ost in iraq. Oh my god it was. That was a time. Let me add add. Two more words are three or four words and knowing that you were kicking. Wcw that i. It was great but he has. It was just so much fun because you had guys were hot. And it was in austin san rock especially when the sampoerna told story million times. But you know rock and hunter didn't really care for each other. Oh i know there was a big they do. I don't think they do right now. I don't know now. But i tell you at the time there was that professional jealousy. I mean it was brutal and they would go out live. Rockwood would stand there. He would do what was written on. The piece of paper for do hundred would go out and eat him alive going off script. Yeah and rock. We come back mentioned that. Go off you know. And i'm doing what i'm told and a steel lines. Yeah looks at me because if you can take the ass chewing when you come back it's live we're gonna do the ears trick. It better be good enough because if you're going to go off script and you're gonna do something and it's great. Got your genius. If it's not your stomach. Yeah and he went out and they would spar with each other out there. Verbally go completely off script and the audience and they felt it because it was real. Yeah there was animosity there. There was professional jealousy. There and these two guys didn't like each other. They worked beautifully in the ring from indus professions. But you don't have to like somebody to work great with. Yeah that was the magic. It was great. I think that That thing was that exist. And i never knew him. Sometimes if you can fake me out. You're pretty good. But i don't think it's seen in iraq We're going to go to dinner together either. But you get back in. I don't know the whole behind the scenes but certainly seems like at times they would get a little stiff which check with the promos wrestlemainia shows. Yeah i just. I mean it was entertaining but wait. It was pretty strong but it's tickets. Yeah yeah did what. I can remember one time. They they had a segment out there. 'cause i used to watch And they i mean. The segment was unbelievable. But nobody why i mean it. Kinda got repetitious. You remember Oh yeah gavin. They would do things and sometimes the verbiage was so close to what it was the next week. Remember 'cause they work to wrestlemanias in a roll back to back correct. Exactly yeah. it's hard to create that kind of intensity twice. I mean so. Yeah i i didn't know but Suburban something racist the both of them so talented and seen a i mean iraq at them now. God i'm so happy for success in my opinion to a nicer guy and you know hard work incentive again he deserves. Everything gets it. Has everything and john. I mean i'm you know. I'm sure john doesn't have to work another day. John loves the business. And he's you know he's You know he's there persevere perseveres in you know conrad night talk about it and kind of adult. Text me and say man. You ain't gonna break your record. Manic go go kind of what the finish kinda. Give me thirty different now. We've fly in tomorrow to celebrate. Not only are an hour with you. Bruce weekly shenanigans. Fever lovers lamb and of course kind already booked monday. Tv so really. What i got a guy like you with your level of intelligence and your background who is winning undertaker brock to me. There's only one finish. Was that god to me taker okay. Who is winning between sina and Rollins mikey's dow down. I got so bill richard. Tom undertaker thumbs up cracked. I'm saying undertaking thumbs up. Now again you asked me. What would i do or what will happen. What will happen. No one will happen. i would hope they problems. I do rollins. And by god you know what on rollins because it's different than our hopes then again and that's probably why they're going see you rollins become. Why can't the rollins. But i think they're going to go seen that gets me kind of different version. There's good running. Well i mean all of a sudden last night. Our typing this. On tuesday course listening on wednesday last night as we're watching all the sudden cena starts to involve aaa h his promo. So i couldn't help but think maybe that's kinda like the way out Triple h can have a little interference that sets up shows for them down the road but you know armchair quarterback and what the hell do honor. If you can't get enough. Bruce prichard and something to wrestle. You're gonna love and free shows dot com. check it out. Here's a clip from abc. Free shows dot com. That you can't hear anywhere else so you can look back and look at everything that mr perfect did just was such fondness because his timing was impeccable and this is also good time because you had the genius there was great fodder and it just it. She's in kurt. The bump outside hull cow. Good shit this is maybe some peak fandom. We often talk about high. Eighty nine was my favorite year besides ninety seven as recruits in the ninety. I'm at my all time high. Fandom as a kid i think when this aired that would be eight turn on a couple of months This is as good as it gets. Who's your favorite wrestler new eight years old. You really have to ask that question. Assume it was dory fucking talk name right daniel. I can't imagine being excited as a kid about dorey. Cogan you dorie farm in wahoo mcdaniel. Okay well i had another. I had an indian that i loved. His name was ultimate warrior to no comment. Nothing so what are you waiting for head on over to anti shows dot com right now and you'll get every something to wrestle early. An ad free for just nine bucks a month. We've also got a ton of great bonus content for you to check out including more than twenty lives. Something wrestles with a very special guests. And of course all of the fun and silliness that we had it star. Cast including the roast of. Bruce prichard a monday night. War debate between bruce prichard. Eric bischoff and the last live something wrestle. You don't wanna miss it and don't forget once upon a time. Bruce and i had a separate patriot where we did bonus content every single month. You all of that. In the archives as well of course our show notes and so much more check it out yourself right now if you dig pritchard and you want more something wrestle but less ads it's hard to be ad free shows dot com. I mean got it down. Pretty good man. He's got started really process. Confident that in that segment last night with a damn good segment you know. That kid is a stud. I enjoy you. You get to the point you know we. We reached certain point. Where you kinda wanna fast forward through certain things. I enjoy the hell out of watching them perform. Yeah well he he doesn't. He's right there with orton. I mean in terms of in my in my you know three guys. And i'm i'm really really That style i think. I think that's another is another randy orton Body all around work rate In entertainment wise in terms of its interview. He's not allowed. He's not like a guy screaming like me or like roddy and that but he he. He's getting more confidence interview every time i hear him talk. And he's doing great and to me he's gonna randy you know ran. He's begging for a way to get the shot. Michael deal and take out every summer. So i can't see them taking the theme off of What would you do with the next show through it again. Yes that's the thing. I mean you got set top now. Any and he's hot because many squeak by listeners and squeak by but yet at the same time he's beating guys weaken do it. She has asked the beauty behind having. He's a beetle he'll also credible. He'll yeah but i. I don't think he's beatable too much yet. Because that's how you know we all say that everybody's batting five hundred there but that seems to be after a longer period of time than accent at all you can have johnston with two belts which john doesn't need or you're going to have to belts and i mean i just you know i can think about it. Maybe could figure bigger way out of it. You know if they would have me defend one belt and the first hour the second belt third hour. I 'cause i was way to do. They figure out a way to get three three and bush book and i have five probe on the second hour serve match. Bruce winded the booking style. Change going back to when you first started with the wwf. Everything was kinda pre taped and it seemed like there was more of a longterm plan. And then i guess maybe during the monday night wars. That's when the kind of booking on the fly and the last minute changes started to happen. Windy remember that shift really happening. And then how did that affect you. You know when you're involved in the creative side. Well you. I would say mid to late nineties. What a changed but at the same time you know it was. I think vince is always done things last minute and just long with the flow. But i love it i love. I love live television. I love my television because there's absolutely nothing that can go wrong. Yeah if the rain collapses and you know the billing it said it was meant to happen by gotcha. Just go with it. And that's the market but true pro. And that's what i love about. Why tv because you just get go with your worked with so many unknowns and elements that you can't control and you may live tv any day of the week it's just You want you. Don't want things to be predictable. You want people to wonder and do like you're doing where you're sitting there going. Okay what am i gonna do with out. You'll walk able to wonder and not be able to pick it. And that's a media our business when it becomes so predictable that i know okay. I'm going to turn it on and see who's going to win. I wanna turn it on and thinks seeing who's going to win and have them. Yeah i mean. I i've just anyway. I just think it's a lot people will be interested. I'm looking. I'm not just looking after the podcast. But you've got a great opinion and a great mind You know one of my favorite moments. Conrad was i got the tv. One day in. Bruce said to me. Hey you're working. With hulk. And sega one in austin and say ken great no problem and you really good newsbeat twice fast. You remember that i exactly. Yeah i love him man. I got to work halt the first segler second sake and Jeez i'm trying to think and then austin late in the show i gotta work with steve. And that's you know before it. Steve took off to sabbatical. So bruce hoffman picked on a lot lately online. We don't want to necessarily paolone but he does kind of get a bad rap. Wcw for invoking his creative control clause and kinda putting nitro into a tailspin with. That doesn't work for me. Brother did you hear much of that during the hulkamania era of the wwf. Or a you assumed just came later. And w w well. I gotta tell you about all every turn that i've ever worked with and he. He's been easier sunday morning. Now you know no different than any other talents. They're going to come up and say. Hey i don't feel that and i think it just comes with how you deal with that from there you know i never would go in to situations like this is what we're gonna do without having a b c plan behind that no let. I don't really feel that okay. How about this. What if he got to this way and sometimes by having that being that c. Plan may be able to bring him back around the e plan to say well. Wait a minute that might be a much better idea than originally thought. But you know With with hulk early on and eighties any dealt with minutes and they got together and they map things out and sometimes it was great. Sometimes it wasn't great but they had their ways of working it out when he came back in two thousand and stuff. I worked with him primarily and i gotta tell you She was pretty easy to work with. It was different. I never winning and with that. This is what you're gonna do. This is it. You know it's a highway. Never williams anything with anybody like that except for flair. But no but that's always said. I didn't even ask you. I just zoomed. I was doing the job. No but i would go in and say. Hey here's what we have in mind. What do you say. Who's he's the one that's going to have to do it. Your talents in performance. And if they don't feel it don't feel it. Drying i like to think that they'd say so and You know make it right. Well there was there somebody you were working with back then. Who was difficult since everybody always says hogan was the most difficult but she didn't really experience. That was someone difficult that she can remember me speaking but warrior could be difficult Ramey savage was challenging I've heard horror stories about randy being difficult. That all got along randy too and it was once you talk it through and now he was fun but he was challenging because he would he would pick everything apart. It was some guys some guys would that some you know. And then they're they're the guys just okay when you want and they'll do it. Hello hello our here. Yeah okay. i'll be that want to hear my name at the end of that sentence rich. I mean seriously. You would speak up that i never said no. That's why that's why hogan made twenty five million. And i made five hundred thousand. I think you know. I think you. Sometimes we're giving but also you would speak smoke up to me. We don't say hey know out. That's get things i would say to you bruce. How long have i got to pull this off. Yes ten minutes thirty minutes five minutes because you look at it as a challenge. A lotta times too. I you know. But i don't think i don't think that i that i can say that about myself. With the exception of not getting along with eric and russo You know different times and russo. Adjust you know. I i think russo. Just got off to a start. A bad start because he. He knew the corn at a friend's right. So i know you're not gonna like me. And i said why is it going be good for the job at what that got to do with. You mean. that was our first conversation not getting it so next thing i knew i was buried out in the desert somewhere. Let's talk about rousseau. Little bit bruce. He gets a lot of credit for the attitude era stuff but the comeback is always well. He needed an editor. You saw that in. Wcw vince russo. Needs an editor. Invents was an editor. What was your perspective at the time. Well we all had editors that ever since man you know nothing nothing got through nothing got approved or or chills. Without vinci's boston vince. Mcmahon's blessing and a lot of a lot of the stuff that was done was vince. I was a different voice. Hitching vince mcmahon. May have been pitching a lot in the same old tired ideas if you if you wanna call it that it was a different voice and it worked but at the end of the day. You've got one guy in charge there. The buck stops vincent man and he ain't afraid to step up you know and kill something or endorsed. Something bats difference wasn't you know wasn't me. It wasn't vince. Russo was buying words one any of us on our own. It was vince being able to take those ideas in either. Let's run with it. Edit whatever it is but he's he's the gatekeeper and nothing's going on television without his blessing. I said that the other day Make no mistake. Or whether it was bruce or anybody else came up with a game plan. it ran through Then for final approval that that first. Bruce lee everything everything. I know now the same way the same way today. Yeah i would assume it is. I haven't been there. But i would assume you know i. I still hear everything you and you can tell when. Vince mcmahon has his fingerprints on things. And it's still to this day. Feels that you know. He's he's given the nod. Yeah and you you look at every every writer booker. Whatever you wanna call them creative person. I don't know what the hell they call these days. you have you have good run jabhat runs and i i think. Knock on wood. You know for the most part. I had some pretty good runs for you know different periods of time i had i had some that. There was a period when during the Vincent's federal trial. That we couldn't bring in talent shows been skin feel that it was fair to the talent with his future unknown to bring somebody in and ask somebody to sign a contract with this man. He had no he was what was going to happen. And so we were handcuffed and handicap considerable. Because your boss gotta real careful what we do here. We can't upset the parent teachers. Counselor where i don't know whether whatever the hell they were the peaching see and we to be very careful with everything that we did so it wasn't that great we had a lot of Hinton have lot of barriers. Bruce back when the trial was going on a lot of the. Wwe folks who worked in the office. I've said she'd interviews and various forums that they were nervous about their job. That's something you thought was going to happen like we're done or or did you have confidence that jerry jarrett could step in and run. The offense was away. Okay so you have two different questions. Her was i nervous. No was i confident jerry. Gericault absolutely not. You know why i forgotten. I now that you bring it up. Where did age. Eric commend conrad. Well i probably knows better than i. But the story is that jerry jarrett. Got the call from vince. When vince. hey this may not be going my way. And if i'm away i need somebody who can run the territory so to speak never heard that i did hear that now but i i have to agree with ruth not a chance but no not not a chance. Not not a chance jerry. No i don't know how area around memphis in the territory. They ran Other than the fact that he had created bookers and hotshot booking that Only would work in one area and mid south area. Yeah i honestly. If i found a shovel on just bury jerry jarrett. He's no i'm not. I'm just. I'm speaking the truth. i'm not i. I i'm gonna say anything jerry lot personally but you can't you can't run in memphis and compare that to running the wb. And i think that's very very very creatively. I is probably a call. He made from a financial standpoint. Wouldn't you guys agree because everybody says that you know. There's no money to be made memphis. But jerry jarrett took care of himself so it was probably a call based on financial reasons or my way off on saying that well. I don't think jerry lawler. He would've had newly except that he had. And i'm hoping jerry lawler made a lot of money but jerry jarrett coming in jerry. Jarrett were was one of several that thence went to to seek out as a consultant and try and get a different head in a different viewpoint in Buh jerry once he got in and once seen events. Those exposed to jerry was exposed events. Put it that way The there was never that intent to like something happens Gonna run this thing. I think that the intent was simply that soapy were to ever happen to events that people that several different people were put in key positions to just come together and we had that opportunity to do. And i think we did pretty well. While was going through his neck surgery at the time and back surgery and preparing for the trial and during the trial we did want it without vets So to to that point you know it was. It was simply been making sure that he had white people in the right positions all throughout the company. Which goes to as much as you hear vince. Being the end all be all of which he is then if something god forbid were to happen to him tomorrow with the company would go on and it would be. Would it be as good. Probably not i. One of those are going for but it would go on and yeah i definitely think it. Would i think that if something happened to vince. Oh god forbid that That the numbers were drop a little bit. I don't mean the numbers on radiance. i'm talking about the stock. Yeah because i. I think that I don't think a lot of people are aware of a just. How in how entrenched. Stephanie in hunter are right now. I mean it's at a point. Where hunter and stephanie hundred for sure stephanie. At least one day. Monday tuesday on the road and then down to orlando for tough enough and then hunters example every third week and exte- taping And like this week They've got an x. T. sold out on saturday. They've got summer slam. Sold on sunday. They have Ross sold on. And then they're going to go to providence first smackdown And then they go back down one hundred that goes back down for nfc in two weeks and believe it or not. Because i talked to a hundred all the time when he's not on the road and this is a guy that he's gotta have that to our work out of dairies miserable. He's on vincent schedule. Works out eleven o'clock at night now because he's in the office and so it's definitely you know because he you know. This guy has always push stephanie attraction. But i he's making sure He's making sure that hundreds got a grasp of a to would you. I mean i keep using that statement. But that's my take on it anyway. Well let's say here. Here's the thing i get into when i do a lot of these energies and things because yeah i got. I haven't a dog in the fight. I'm not there. But i'm up to be there. Yeah but that's not why i'm saying missing. When i hear will south about well hunters only there because he marry into it well long before the bullshit story that i am before hundred. Stephanie were hundred and stephanie paula. Back was one of the first guys show the building. He was sitting on production means. He was offering up ideas student of the business from day. One if he had never even crossed house with stephanie in any any way shape or for he would be deserving of the stop that he is now because he worked as ass off to get there and he's good and people people want to say what they what they will but these are people that have never met him if you've never been around him and watched him work from the inside guy from the outside looking looking at him you all. Well gosh you know. Tv for him. he's she's married to the boss starter. They thought out that. That's bullshit statement to i. Hate this lighter that too often people say that 'cause they don't get this guy's work ethic man. Jesus oh and he was doing it long before okay that that's the part of the news that they're looking in. He always was one of those guys who back quietly but he always offer suggestions. He was always out there plugging. He was always trying to do something more. She didn't have to show the production meeting. He asked if he could. He didn't have to watch. Those guys matches then offer them felt. He did it because he loved it. Any slow go in looking. I just looked at exchange departmental system and when we started that in the studio in the warehouse with my brother. Training is and to where it is now is amazing because it is the future. It's only teaching got right now. But here's a guy that works has asked office a talent in the ring in his work to learn the business and has got his hands dirty doing it and for people to sit back will never never met him never met. You never met me and judge based on what they perceive reality to be is bullshit you know at. The moral story is bruce. What's that number one. He was working for a goals. Gym in new hampshire. You knew that right. Yup and number two owned eleven goals gyms. If you remember correctly right yup and never three. He happened to be at the sheridan in columbus georgia. One night when i was performing thank god gotta had the balloon on hence triple aches. Nice up the old balloon trick. I'm again always for those. Who can't fill in the blanks rate. Do you want to describe the balloon trick. Yes i'll have to buy my dvd. And that's one hundred with there's a hunters Speech my hall of fame induction. Can that's all of my past couple more questions. We're going to let you get out of here bruce. A lotta fans are fascinated with the term grill position. It's like this fabled thing to wrestling fans that the guys come back through and they wanna know. How do we do and at the same time off. The instruction is coming out from behind that guerrilla position out onto the floor for the referees and for the wrestlers and most importantly the commentator three. I'll links came out that showed all the different notes from vance about the banned words. And don't say this is that but she sat right next events the gorilla position. Talk to us a little bit about what that is. And how it evolved over time well guerrilla position You that we've wcw called go position. It's just the position on the other side of the curtain is the last bastion of information. You're going to get an instruction and you're gonna get before you go out into the arena What i did there was time the shows and and give choose to pretty much. Everybody and coordinate between again. That point with talent in the truck from production. And what have you Yeah it's just last national and sitting there and some of the other side sit and produced commentary which to be entertaining in and of itself over us. You'll be filtered directed directed as well once was if he's not looking at january you know something's wrong jail tibet from the get murdered. Oh yeah way the worst one though was if you were a producer producing the backstage but and once it was finished you would wait about thirty seconds. And just pray that. You wouldn't hear these words i to guerrilla locked up those steps and you got up there and you met is with them. Two things would happen. He would take their heads off. Said it down taking glasses off for them down on the table and whatever asks you might have had would-be gone twenty seconds later Now i've i've i've Experience that probably more than anybody shoot. Because you're good at what you do it. You're the which you will want you guys that had the balls to say put it in a can without having him come look at it because i can remember the time i use. Look at it and say you've ever wanna get anywhere in this company making it on your own for twenty minutes. Wait for vince. Go over put out of spectacles to look at it. Close up okay making it. They should so ruse actually make that move periodically because we would stand her for half hour. I mean one time. Ruth said they mean. What would that deal that you had with the the concerto you had in pittsburgh and i was Edge and randy going to give me these chairs right. Yes so that was. Yeah several said. Get some do with i i i. I would like a kamikaze bothered begging. Wants to kill twenty dead. You go through the curtain. Make the call. Let's village own my god and remember and and he's having need punch him in the head in the head and there's blood spattering won't forget this because i was wearing yellow shirt in Hitting there's blood styling all over my shirt and i got home and my wife looks insurance. What the hell happened to you. That's right we're where that is the story. We should in the show on what a way to go out. Man i love rick abreu bruce. Let me tell you broussard i. I've had so much fun than so much respect for each other and We had so much respect for both dusty and writing. I mean there's lot brazil. One guy that i you know. I see tom all the time. I was my my five hundred free squad guy. But i c- town bruce i. We need to stay in touch more often. Thank you so much for coming on the show guys i. It's an honor. Thank you very much for thinking of me. The appreciate just throw everybody else's podcast under the under the fan but before we let you out of here. Let's make sure people know how to get a hold. Of course you're on twitter at bruce prichard on twitter. Is there anything else we can help you promote today. Mr richard juiciest mainly mainly for twitter and facebook and facebook. And there's not enough. Richard mckeon and by the way i wanted to be invited to the conrad's your growth. Then okay. we'll get done. I'll tell you what it is. Thank you so much. Mr pitching for joining the show today. Thank you sir. Well and the rest they say is history now. The next step of course would be somewhere. Along the way. I would befriend bruce prichard and before you know he would be on a plane headed this way and we would produce a bunch of Mortgage commercials and video projects together and work on some landing pages and he slowly but surely learned a little bit more about my business. And as i learned a little bit more about his business. I couldn't help one day but say hey man this is a podcast and here we are. I don't think anybody would have ever predicted that we would start with what you just heard. And wind up with all the silliness. That is something wrestle but it was fun to look back to the very beginning. I gotta tell you. There is no end in sight. Know sometimes people doubt that especially when we have a show delay like today but we have similar situation last week. You know life thrown us all a lot of curve balls with cove nineteen. Wwe trying to roll with the punches. 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Cristiano Ronaldo Returns to Manchester United!

The 2 Robbies

29:03 min | 2 months ago

Cristiano Ronaldo Returns to Manchester United!

"Sports fans are you ready. Download the points about app now and use code. Nbc p. o. D. one hundred to get to risk free bets up to two thousand dollars when you bet with points spat the officials sports betting partner of nbc. Sports you get faster bets faster. Withdrawals and faster rewards at your fingertips download the points bet app now to experience this premium. Sportsbook for yourself. So are you ready. Tnc's apply void where prohibited must be twenty one plus gambling problem. Call one eight hundred gambler for crisis counseling and referral services. Welcome to the to poke cast sometimes special days these special moments in football cool for emergency action the breaking news of the day and then historic day august. The twenty seven is one of those days some stunning news at developing story of the last twenty. Four forty eight hours. Cristiano ronaldo returns to muscle manchester united twelve years. After he last will be to traits. I'm joined on the podcast. Cast by most easy way we can get like say saving joined by contributes to show johnny higginbotham who started his career at manchester. United knows cristiana aldo. Seen him up close and personal played against him seven times and can tell us something about his development and just what stunning events. We've had over the last twenty four hours. John kennedy quite believed when we. Oh this no economy. It's it's incredible. It's my brother's birthday today. So we'll be made. The renaldo is going to the united only stable. It looks as it was going about some interest in the blue side. Not not the red side. Then it's children. How quickly it happened. I was following all and everything that was being said. All of a sudden you know you had only going to solve your hair. His press conference is very different than pep gladiolas. And all of a sudden matai. Just start to change and you know. Then then you have some reliable people coming out and saying he's going to be joining munshi. I it in then before you know it. It's it it's on that meteor count is joined in. It's it's an incredible sign. And i think you look is ability on the pitch and you know he's. He's quite rightly mentioned. In one of the greatest ever players ever to play the game people talk of him being the six but he's just the ways the ways taking care of himself. The goal speak for himself the ability that he still has you know he's probably really still appoint where he's twenty nine thirty and i think the effect is going on the younger players as well of kabbalah cuts from alive renaldo to be playing the level of he's playing at the age as he lives and breathes football. And he's going to bring that. Into the dress room mancha she unite which is already very professional room. He's just gonna take elevate the open of a level as well and i think it's i think it's a great sign and not just on the pitch for affairs. Well yeah complain you may think you know in the day. Mine just unite. You've always had vision iconic figure they've always been into the biggest players in the world wherever they are encountering all springs to mind and then the bathrooms in the gay zuma skulls The bryan robson's biblis have those stall quality so it cutting to manchester united ownership that. They've actually got there still in that because you shiny. Not just for what he brings to the team. But i think to the football club. Donnie. it takes to another level munchies. You not too big east football brand out there. And hopping cristiano. Ronaldo just takes you to another level. Just just keeps you on people's lips just keep you in people's mind and acting hugely important mines united regardless what's happening on the pitch i've always said it's impacted premier league when these a better manchester united one hundred percent on one of the things that we've seen over recent seasons has been the with heard a lot of talk about place potentially going to mention i it and then he just falling flattened not happening and i think if you look at the business that they've done a season you know you look look at sancho look renaldo. They've gone out and got the job done. And i think one of the frustrations the united suppose over recent seasons is the true certain extent. They've been have been left behind with some of the signs of the talk globes. There's been no real method behind. The sign is that they've made whereas if we look at signs that they have made recently. You won't be slate. Take renaldo equation. But he's a special player. Majority of the plays younger play is not quite out the peak year. And there's the soul of an identity to the team going forward on. Just think when you sign some light rinaldo. I think the effect that he can have on the likes of rush. The likes of green with the likes of sun show. I think he's i think he's going to be huge effect. The fact that he still has the ability he's not coming just for a payday is a play. The wants to still win things. You can see hongbo. Even when he was playing seasons the eventless in always demanding of his teammates. And i think hold top clubs. Have that rub you. Played against the top munches unites aims. An an i did as wellness out and the demands that each of those players put some nights. Teammates is what drives them on. And i think it was someone i rinaldo. He's going to demand that from his teammates and dot can only be a good thing. Because then you're gonna have plays the are going to be dragged along with him which is going to be brilliant. You're gonna have buys are going to be left by the wayside because they haven't got that thought mentality guests to be in a primarily fights when the tile thanks a really good point nine two. He's supporting made out of most deny hunt. This discussion maybe a week or two ago. I think previewing the season and he's been quite harsh. Finally saying i'm not sure all these money can push. This is team over the line. The great money is the cops packs. You know get get the job done to co we've seen chelsea and they pushed the date ray dragon team. Oh the blind to get one. And i said to him. I take what he's saying. I think we've got to wait and ali team. That is good enough to be pushed over line. And we're starting to get their non. I'll get your view on that in a minute but more than that. The playing time asia. I'm was an. You've just hit me. The great manchester united teams were nasty against each other now just nasty. The opposition obscene arguments going on with plays months. Not you well. The plays almost in tears because they weren't doing the job they pushed each other along. And you should really interesting point you make any because i think the biggest thing. Cristiano renaldo brings. The goals will be important. But i don't necessarily think lack of goals will start getting what they want. I growth met mentality that he won't allow dual at southampton last weekend. He will demand that we would not gain. He will demand to these group. This weekend on sunday that we go to walls and we get three points because he's won titles damage one seven buffington. Since he's is won't champions he's one balladur's. This guy is a winner neang. He hasn't given two years to go. Oh communards if you win. A few games lose a few games system lower teams he. I don't think he's going to have. And i think the single biggest thing he brings is a mentality and you run to that. Obviously a serial winner in for france and all of a sudden these different makeup monday night suggestion did there is and i go back to when i was a young player and trained with with the first team for quite a while back and as a young player response. You just wanna so everything. You don't open your mouth you just listen to zenia. Play a new of times you would. Senior play is saying the the training sessions were harder than a lot of the games at the weekend and it was so true because of how they trained him up absolutely incredible. And you quite right. When you talk about the top manages to guatemala's the clots ferguson's over the as well that can drag that team over the line. But if you look at liverpool when they when the primarily what was magnificent for them they have placed drugged on-scene over the line. Yeah henderson's yvonne dykes you robertson's mental datta yen milner yan. I'm exemple an i. Just fail the about something. The united needs rav of because there's going to be times when there's a fun place when they're on the pitch and may be social congas message across to the plays the plays off to take it in their own hands and when you play against the top teams the toxins are played against when it was playing whether it be night at the time whether it be sits irreverent beyond national. That was enga- manages. The new went to change the game on what to do about it. And i just think there's a play. Oh light rinaldo. He has that experience. And it's something i think's going to. It's going to really help the team because most bizarre thing about it. We'll just after the great russell elegance legion. I don't south last week. He was something a little. Jonathan coachman health. It wouldn't surprise me if if they if if they drew here and the the time is so well if play doesn't work. What's your plan bay. You're an at times. Plays have to take upon themselves slots the say right okay. We're going to have to do this. We're gonna have to try and fix on. Just think rinaldo what he brings. I'm not saying he's gonna play weekend. We count on saying light. You quite rightly said it is not necessarily going to be the top goalscorer. United's problem isn't isn't that they aren't goals they score goals. You look at the embarrassment of riches they've got don't vote now greenwood rochford son show Cavani pug birth fernandez renaldo. It's absolutely incredible. It's just making sure that some of these that they've had commissioned into wins. And i think when you have a play light renaldo in a game which is looking and you think it's quite gain. This is not going that way. He can create something from nothing of. Go to play. Devil's advocate down. Because it's not know. I'm test you not love in We now those great sal him into the football club for the league for the global brand of munches united. Let's look at what could be some of the downsides. Could he and i don't particularly buy suit so my suggesting could he hinted mason greenwood's development could he affect the dressing room. Become the big guy and all of a sudden effects or this and replays with bruno bruno big signing income into the football club could affect. We've seen big plays and sometimes big. Jasper moons at some of the lesson. Flies can go within themselves. Might not be be the same is it is a chance that it could affect disrupt the matola mean. He's on a ton load of money that you know. Sometimes a game can can affect two things ongoing. Well the does always the chance that that could happen bomb. You hope that it's a scenario about what. What abraham vich did when he came to the cloak you know you hope it has that effect. You know you could see that. He was the lead in the dressing room. You could see when he joined the club. The it's it's it's a stranger but like growing up myself going to watch she. Should i had all the time those these players the light you counselors they they will the sugar and it didn't weigh heavy and i just think play light rinaldo. He's gonna he. He's going to really enjoy all of that. And i think the younger players they will learn from him. He's been at the club before he's a legend. And you hope that it goes the other way which is right. Okay look what he's done in. His career looked pretty still achieving in his career. Let's jump board with what he's doing. Because sometimes when you see legacies football club quite often style by one manager owen player the can just pay the finishing piece of the jigsaw. You go to council when he signed look what he did for the young players you know the classic nights earlier. It was an absolute godsend. What what he did for the place you would hope that's going to be the case for rinaldo one of the things that i would say when when we're talking about the signing of renaldo i still feel the the midfield positions are an area rothe somewhat concern in about to the you go about to the south thompson game last week and the ball wasn't recycled quicken off. It wasn't moved quick enough. Just lizzy now. He's been he's been an incredible player of the look at him. Look at fred in particular and good defensive plays but you need those plays on the bowl going to say right. You cleared the bullets demonstrate. By and i have no i have no indications. I have milton i. I don't get any information. I know as much as anybody else. It wouldn't surprise me when i look at that same. If they're not quite finished the business yet may be not central midfield role in chesting I get i get you pointon and announced some notes today about money. I trying to fill the on. Senior is great business. And he's going to be a huge fanfare around him. And i think about newcastle possibly in this game. We put a bit of pressure on ali now because yet for so like he's got started. You live in. One of my thoughts was ingesting. The you mentioned. Think about class. When we talk about functional but was and steve bruce yes tennessee williams good solely pros around those kids devout them. I think announced can be that guy marched. Respite can can benefit from become a more hungry forward. I think mason greenwood can learn about the discipline of being taught. Cross professional became weak out marcial. Avi stays around. The football club are thing pull ability to dominate games. On a regular basis. People will get out from him. So i don't necessarily see that as much problem when we talk about the team down and this is what. I'm kinda going when i look at united now. You probably talking about defensive midfield. Play away from going ready to go. Let's said yeah. What i would say is not as sent me. League-winning team has always had the greatest players in the greatest position. So i was thinking about lester. Leicester's fall in. The main was denison whereas morgan robert. Who's in christian fuchs. They want time. So you know what. Maybe a fred in mukta manet in mutzich between them go to come up with big numbers gonna come up with big danes. Call the perfect world and plug every in everything finra. Sometimes you've got a mold wanted to some say one asaka to me. One bassac is every bit as good defenders donnie simpson unease as it is every bit as good as car wash. Because he's just gotta give out maybe a little bit of he's more tracking game so i kind of think that this month just united squad to me is now challenger and clubs and if it isn't close if it isn't challenging done. Something's gone badly wrong. I i can't disagree with that. I think we've spoken on numerous occasions about the building process of the club about social command. And then say in the job and you know get in play his out the club and change in the mentality the way they went about sayings and you know the the way they they transfer policies you know while of signing play is now the the have longevity so i think social will be. Well aware you know you go in and get around news. Augury one of the best center box in world football you go in and getting sanju who potentially could well be one of the best forwards in the world is insensitive. Winger you get renaldo. The is still that undeserved and is an iconic laya. There's going to be the has been one of the best in the world so that in itself is going to put pressure on them. One of the things i would say this is this is where it becomes interesting for the opponents. Is that if you look at the amount of times the scenes we'll sit deep against united and they give you the wet and you say raheel tables shore if you're gonna come forward rumba soccer yoga controlled. We know that. We know that you're gonna into the box bowl unless kvant is playing. I don't see much of year. All of the sudden that dynamic changes numb 'cause if you go luke shogun down the side of one bassac of these two minutes of the boxer ordinarily would be you know food and drink for san box listener ronaldo's around now and has the abrahama vich avec effect is warriors. We've got to be caffeine. We might not necessarily want to let them get crosses in and does that open open space somewhere else on the pitch book i. I agree one hundred percent with what you saying. The pressure is also show. There's no doubt about hey car. Shoppers car gerbers. Here with your word of the day confident. You know that feeling you get when you're about to rock and outfit so killer. It's going to drop jaws worldwide. What if you could get that feeling while shopping for a car with card cargurus you can shop more cars than you'll find on other leading car shopping sites. Find a deal. That's really really great and see all the details that matter like mileage accident history even days on lot all on cargurus then contact the dealer knowing your stuff and feeling more confident than well ever visit. Cargurus dot com today. Having your own home is awesome. But it's also a lot of work. The good news finding help for your projects is easier than ever introducing angie the app. The puts all your home care needs at your fingertips need approach. Fix emergency leak. Maybe find someone to build a deck or even set your seasonal tasks on autopilot. Angie can handle all that and more expert pros. Hundreds of home projects clear pricing and the easiest way to book and pay in seconds. This is angie your home for everything home. Download the app today as we stand today and everybody was fit in this month. Just united squad. Where were you thinking the team henderson to. Hey from me. Yes i think so at the moment at agree but for one bassac of veron mcguire shore pretty much picks itself if in in the system as my whole vicks i think he's more athletic movies apple. I'm probably going. I the side of him. Bruno pumper if i'm going so of the two to ahead of one two. I'm probably put in public next termini and pull in bruno in ten position. Who takes you want physicians. Who tend she central position you. I'm the same page review. The stein i now comes the difficult. Bet i think in the moment you have to go run. Although through the middle i think. Yeah i think you have to go with that. And then i think dependent and this is what i said. When they signed sancho sancho gives real good options. Because if you play on the right is going to be out on our weight up because he keeps more of his west and we know the one. Bassac has ause attack-minded ashore. So he'll have the width among the second comeback year. If he plays on the left inside we know that he's going to drift inside not lease space for sure. So i think probably at the moment you probably going to be looking at some show central ingredient. I would say the minute is a to wide class. Yeah i think sounds rally trafford's fit yeah roughing not make the drafted commended state route. Maybe the green look. I think i think it's it all depends if the foam the plays rim because he questions that you get ashwell effects wines had gone. Siamese player will well. You're gonna fit in well whichever way. Wanna look at it now. It is a swap game. What he gives now. Whoever is not going to be playing. What united has now which they haven't had a number of years have game changes on the bench for a long time. You could probably sit down together two days before united game and we could name the stein. Eleven and the thing the beauty of this now or the four. As you quite rightly said pixies self you on the back fold certificates out But then going forward you not element of surprise and if you see son show green modal rochford on the team sheet. First of all is like while they're going to create a problem or i will sign they're gonna plant the not gonna stay on the side of the plan the drift around the owner of ability. And i remember when social i felt the job on a such a what what is your ideal and one of the things was that he wanted time. He wanted it to be able to play the full. Three three dynamic pace send defense insurance hike really quickly while tell you all is not far away from mountain. Not far away from that. It's all the attack intended as is disposal just to die with the best of them and with that comes pressure bull. If you're going to play for cool by munch's united but only if you gotta be good player but you've gotta be able to handle it mentally because you're expected to win all the time absolutely not desk depp's going to be important especially when i think that would look in champions league games. You might have trend me league fully line and a jump news lunch. Vanni could be really important community in those games. Obviously rafic greenwood moss. Reality still the picture you see him. Possibly being the oldman out mall she allen and maybe done jennings now want they let those two. maybe minimum. Yeah i could. I could say someone like don james potentially go only on loan. 'cause obviously he's he's is relatively young themselves You know you don't okay at certain times. But he's still developing. Marshall is he must frustrate the life out of the management team in the coach and stuff because he has many southampton last week. Kinda some be more just like everything you want. Is you say everything. Done speed pace technique can finish can be aggressive and just looks disinterested to me looks lying convert to be bothered today and they call win. Titles without that's not mine. Just united all be bothered you. You don't know what you're gonna get your hope and your fingers crossed each one of those days and some days he is in and he's a brilliant footballer not day july scratching going really and the difference between good in the great is consistency. You know that they'll be certain times where you play against these munches united states and then not not in the best of days but then there was always was always play that you belie whether dot com from not wins in the game and i think the united same now it has it has a number of matchwinners and when you look at i think this is going to be the most exciting title race for for a long time because i think probably for the first time in a long time we'll probably talking about full teams can challenge teams. Who can win. Yeah yeah. I think i think full went out think manages. You're gonna have a big parts of laughing. There's been some incredible transfers. Don't as well and yeah just failed this. It's not going to be three teams that run away with it. I think you get three calls into the season is still going to be full teams. Allied thing so you know what we can. We can do this. We can win and he's just gonna make such an exciting season. What she go tell you about. Women's united can finish willfully kenley winner title. Yes yeah they aren't they. Can't they come in title. I can will is a little bit of a different thing. The one thing that stops united. And i think we we saw it last season sentence as well is the consistency now. It's it's sometimes the games that you expect them to potentially draw role lose. They win the games. You expect them to win. Then the lose it you look at crystal palace last season. I think the which westbrook no sheffield united yet against the big boys went and china didn't up against some of the level teams and and that's the thing is when they're playing against the bigger clubs. It works perfectly for them because it can plan the counter that's how they don't dominate possession. It's when may have to dominate possession. Where they can have a little bit of a problem. You look at the game against leeds. United opening game of the season auto performance. Legion up more legion. I'd had more possession. And that's what united dude got. Turn dominance in sims a possession into goals and if they can do that a consistent basis then they'll be challenging for me at the moment chelsea chelsea my favorites. Then then you know it's it's it's a mixture of the three of them because they've all got goodbye indifferent between the three teams below them yet games against. You're the could have a big fat. Somebody loves the big cristiano. Ronaldo moving too much not just a couple of buds the two points at sportsbook our partners who gives us odds ingesting the golden boot talk scoring lulu Is still i. At plus two seventy gas used young tenant second. Cristiano ronaldo close plus. A hundred is now second favorite to win the golden. So the bookies saying he'll he'll play get enough games and you get enough goals so often trusting these little ready going south in certain spot in terms of the child rice bunches united still fall favorite and they started the day. Plus a hundred. But they'd gone down now to plus five fifty so visit share of people saw anything. They've is reloadable valuate in months. Nine plus five fifty is that maybe they could let lift the title as well so whether donaldo plays enough games where he plays a big enough. Paul i think is a season done again. I'll get you also of closing death. I think the season where minogue for for the weekend of two things have got a ham for months this progress in silverware. I think he needs the to. I mean if the enough progress without the welby okay we can see where you're gonna bit clot light when he came at liverpool and we go again the next year but i think if we don't if they don't line the bitter silverware not might be domestic cook. Yeah just need something for this group and only gonna sell show to prove they've won and start the home that's going to grow to tiles to jumping back to champions league. What unite have always known in always buy full in the past. Yeah i agree. I think if you look last season they came second months distance when i was gonna say it's it's second by distance. So they have to that gap. I think one of the things. I look is mentioned. I had all. They abet seem than last season yet. Without doubt chelsea zero so bad team in las season live a- polar bazzi and then last season manchester sit a undecided whether about him unless there's another project creation and i think he's going to be i think he's going to be a stop for them and i think he's. He's going to get bets in bathroom by got a great manager. Knows if berlanti go for miami few deficiencies in. Yeah have numbers. But what will you not. United need the consistency. Because if you look at it. They didn't finish in second on that distance behind monsters to say because of their results necessarily against the big clubs yet. They if i remember i think they did the bubble over months to sit. You think If i remember ryan's talk to yeah they they lost six games at home didn't would should again off the table so we can not consistency bought by greedy. It's closed not got to whoever it is under an also a domestic domestic trophy and and doing well in the champions league. And i think the i think if someone said that social thank you about yeah the pressure is on now and i think i think with with some allies. Social people talks about is is lack of managerial experience. Or people. also forget. He's dealt with pressure munch night when they were at the top of that game so he knows what it's all about. He knows he knows what's on. The line is not going in there with his eyes closed. This neighbor looking on going. You know what. Got some of the place that i won't but not puts more pressure on one hundred percent a dozen you know he'll be hope. Now that the plays brought in thrive and are able to cope that gap then between what was second place to get closer to i if no be challenging for the title absolutely agreement listen. Thanks for jumping on this. Podcast must go this week as was a pleasure to get you and now those luckily great not you think great for zoll. We'll keep an eye out about goes over the next few weeks and we'll be on sunday. August the twenty ninth. When the buddy tim howard. Another former monta denied play. She'll he's got some views on manado mobile much week three to sees liverpool takeoff chelsea. Big game i'm bill. Twelve fifty some time on big embassy. Well for now on l. He's higginbotham together. I'm real one. Robbie he's one downing. Thanks for watching and listening. They healthy could not may not from him not.

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Mailbag and Fantasy Cops! (12/19 Fantasy Football Podcast)

Fantasy Football Today Podcast

38:54 min | 11 months ago

Mailbag and Fantasy Cops! (12/19 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from cbs. Sports play it's time to dominate your fantasy league. Now here's some combination of adam. Dave jamie benn. Nfl saturday two games. Today looking forward to that oughta games on sunday and one of them will have drew brees at quarterback. Get franken jamie's reaction to that. I'm adam mazer with frank. Stamp jimmy iceberg. This is your saturday mail bag with a little bit of a unfortunate twist just emails today. No apple podcasts. I will explain that in one moment. Good afternoon frank houria. I'm doing very well. How are you doing adam. I encourage all podcast hosts to not start a show with how are you. It is lazy and predictable. And it's overdone. So i apologize for that jamie. What's good Dude always uncomfortable. I do a lot of radio shows. I'm sure you guys have done your fair share of radio appearances. Well when the callers not the host when the callers say hey adam how are you. Go right into the question. Are we supposed to answer. How are you where they go right into their question or they pause. Hey how are you got three guys and you know you don't answer the you don't have knowledge assist. It's just a beat. And then they go no answer the question. They don't care how you doing although we don't know don't care at all so for some reason we don't have any new apple podcasts questions and i have a hard time believing that's because people aren't submitting them considering the amount of e mails. We got this week a lot. So i don't have any new ones. They don't know if that's an apple thing i checked. I checked on my phone. I checked on my laptop checked in the application people calling application of call an app. I think they call it an app so yeah. I'm sorry about that if you submitted your question. I don't have anything since the eleventh a week ago as we sit here on friday afternoon. So no apple podcast questions today again. Very sorry if you try to wanted just not showing up for me and Frank montague look at our at our items room or whatever if anything changed. But i'm not seeing anything new so Again sorry and we'll try to get john ask f. f. t. on twitter something like that. Let's do news and notes jamie antonio gibson practicing on friday. We don't really know. What are you going to do if he plays. I think he started. You know it's it's obviously we know. Based on what happened thursday. When players are injured. You have the worst case. Scenario of the source getting there would be the clyde edwards helaire situation a few weeks ago. But you have the always gonna play but beyond snap count like what we saw with keen on. You have played a snap. Count like austin ekeler which at least you know got seventeen. Total touch complain about that. You could quit about the production but the touches were there so he would be typically a top fifteen caliber player If he's healthy in this case he'd probably be closer to a top twenty five caliber player. Because you just have to be concerned that he's not one hundred percent boys out there. Now ron rivera did say he's quote very hopeful that he can return at some point the season. My guess is he doesn't play. If i had you know right now. I would anticipate no antonio gibson for week. Fifteen and he does play. Would you still consider jd. Mckissic number two running back and pr. Yes frank i if i could have done one of those things where you get on your head and you'd like spin around you know like this cool break dance moves. I would have done that when i heard drew. Brees was played. So how do you feel about him. Would you break dance over this. No i don't really have any shares of drew brees. I think it probably helps. Their pass. Catchers specifically jared cook is someone. I was excited about four most of this week so now i'm even more excited. It's a good matchup and it's a great game environment So i do. Like jared cook have to make sure you know michael thomas not any type of snap count but assuming not. I think it's also some go in my top. Twelve drew brees. Yeah jamie. let's say michael. Thomas plays where are you gonna end up ranking drew brees. I'm ranking drew. Brees right now as if thomas is playing right now i have him around ten. I may move them up. A couple of spots as i just continued to reevaluate and see what thomas Status on friday. But i mean if you have drew brees. You're most likely starting to release. It's it's a great situation to have him back. So hopefully that's going to be He's healthy. We don't get the oh he's playing but tastes smells. I'm to get x. Amount of snaps are x. percentage of snaps. You gotta buy into a tough call between breeze and this program leaning breeze. Obviously because what rath's burger showed you put the matchup frauds burgers amazing so just make sure you know who you're starting drew brees over and make sure you're comfortable with all right. I found i found podcast review. Just one though. What does it say popped up today. Really it's question. I can read it later on a few yeah Yeah read. It greeted shortly. What i just. I just checked. I don't understand that we're kind of host. Are you out. I just don't really get you guys. Were taking a test. And frank found the answer. And you do not know what the professor would say what correct more newsletter fornet seems like i walk on my house saying that. It seems like it's going to be in. A committee of ronald jones is out so we just not not start him. Probably not i. What i just see here That that the the backup tackle for the bucks out. Kappa told the media. Obviously you're going to miss rowe. Oh no but he's super confident in the rest of the bucks running backs. So i guess they are anticipating not having ronald jones whose row roggio jones. Yeah just kidding okay. It doesn't look like doesn't great for daniel. Jones could be chase daniel under center or in the shotgun a four For the giants other news. The dolphins let's say with the dolphins. Frank how much confidence we can having savant. Looks like he's gonna play. He's off the injury report. Is that right. They did not list the report per se. But the all the tweets i see about the dolphins are just saying the guys are questionable. And he's not on that list. I'm gonna guess the fact that you practice in full on friday is going to mean. He's ready to go all right so frank. What do you think about savant. Akhmed this week against the patriots. I think he's probably flex option in the games where he played a mouse. Gas comes out. He really took over that myles. Gaskin role and saw a large percentage of the snaps and their opportunities in general. I think he's a better player than andre washington I think he's better player than patrick laird as well. So he's probably in that low to mid solid flex option this week. You're not overly excited about starting over. Fornet would about zeke rock bed. I wouldn't go that. I zeke is like a low energy to not that. I feel good about him. But i would. Still use zeke over jamie. I would play over. Zeke the two games that he played in place of myles gaskin against the chargers. Twenty one carries eighty five yards and a touchdown one catch for five yards and then the game against denver which know they lost. Twelve carries forty three yards five catches thirty yards. We saw with this patriots run. Defense looked like last week. And obviously that's a different animal because the rams offense is better. Cam akers is better. But i just can't trust eek right now so i would take my chances with document frank. Let's get our apple podcast question. All righty this one is from as or stats now. This is from last week is it. Since december doesn't say december eleventh on it. unless it's from last friday just friday on it so it's as well as or stats twelve. Eleven twenty twenty but go ahead now. I'm reading it through. Yeah it's definitely from last week. Oh no incorrect. I looked at my phone and my laptop and just says friday so i assumed it was from today from last week but maybe you should tell them to start devante booker in deebo samuel while you're at it because that was part of his question. I'm sure we did probably actually sorry about that. If you submitted your apple podcast question. Frank completely butchered it and wasn't able to read them. Listen to fantasy football today in five. Got a special player props episode coming up on saturday. Today it's out those are listening now. Which jacob gibbs and all you gamblers out there. The early edge podcasts. If you are looking for a leg up on your book maker we've got you covered on the early edge podcast powered by sports line every day. You can join jonathan coachman and an expert crew of sportsline handicappers to break down the biggest games of the day. Every episode is ten minutes or shorter. And it's in your feed by eleven. Am if there's a sharp side of the action you'll be armed with it so go check out the podcast wherever you listen to. F f t. There's talking about to podcasts. You can listen to every day and it'll take less than fifteen minutes of your time fantasy football today and five and the edge. Well we're gonna get to the e mails and luckily we do have a lot of those but of course the cops. They're here folks all right couple of fantasy cops questions for this week. This is an interesting. it is from matt matt. I have a twelve team dynasty league with no trade deadline this week. A team in the playoffs traded ceedee. Lamb for t. y. hilton and a high second round. Pick to a team. Well outside the playoff picture. Okay so the playoff team gave up. Lamb got back hilton and a high second round. Pick okay the player who received the ty side claim to have accepted it by accident and thought that he was getting the lamb side however he was the one who countered for t. y. Hilton and said second rounder. He said the plo stop stops up. How did he think he was getting the lamp side. Those going let's piece said the platform we use was too confusing regarding traits. However i believe fourteen weeks he should probably know that he has ceedee. Lamb and not t y hilton half. The league wants to keep the trade half league says the reverse. We're calling fantasy cops to help keep it. What is going. How do you not know that lamb is on your team. I thought i was getting ceedee. Lamb makes sense in a vacuum. It's i don't think it's bad trade for dynasty if you're in the playoffs now and you have a shot to win. He'd rather have t- wild of course if you're looking at you have a shot to win and you don't need to hilton. You shouldn't be trading ceedee lamb. Correct correct howdy. Running second round pick ceedee lamb is not terrible trade this week five and you're talking about a straight of i think it's a pretty bad trade. It's certainly slanted lamb favor. Yeah horrendous i mean. Under these circumstances you're trying to win a championship. it's not not. Yeah i next email. Next fantasy cops is from dustin in the upstate. Dustin says hey dalvin cam jalen and derwin. I mean as a to seminals figure out the once. Great players all right anyway In our commissioner. I'm the commissioner with friends that has a prize payment for the most point scored every week of the regular season. The prize was established to one reward. Great weekly performance and to ensure that managers play a full lineup every weekend. Three incentivize managers to pay their dues on time. Might help jamie winky face. The rules going on seven seasons have been that to be eligible for this prize in any given week. The manager must have paid their league news before the first game of the week kicks off every seasons since inside. Since i've every manager in the league pay their dues before kick off week one this year though one team did not pay until midway through the four o'clock block of games in week five after it had become pretty clear that he had a very good chance of winning most points for that week as a result the prize. For that week instead is going to the team that scored the second most points. Now that the season's over approaching payouts the managers complaining that they should be paid for most points that week claiming it's not like it's a casino end quote and stressing quote that. It's not like we all aren't trusted friends and quote. Am i being too much of a stickler here or is this fair and to be expected enforcement of the established rules. This is a really healthy and competitive league for the first time. We've ever had an issue like this. I don't want there to be bad blood for something silly like this. I all the rules. What are you what did you say jamie. Hey up okay. Who gets the money though for week. Five the guy who paid midway through the four o'clock games as he realized he was going to win or the second place team. If they're all friends. And i mean has he not paid before. Is this the first time that that's happened. He said that as season. I've i've had every manager in the league. Pay their dues before kick off week. One this is basically the only time it's happened where somebody if it's the only time it's happened. Then i mean chocolate up to a one timer and pay the guy okay. Say most points gets the money. What if you split it between the two of them. No rules are rules at him. You're going to. You're going to lose a friendship because this frank. Oh yeah i've lost all gone. I've i've i've had some issues and fantasy. I've come down a lot over the years. I gotta hear this hits crazy. Man used to be crazy about you fantasy basketball league. I guess it kind of turned into like a dynasty. We had draft pick trading in stuff and it was just a mess. It was like people trading away draft picks and then not wanting to join the following season it was. It was just a complete mess so so you so you did. what you sow. Language was used email text. Phone call in person was bad batman. What was it in person or what. No it wasn't. A person is a friends. yeah they were cutthroat. This guy is. I will listen. Thanks a lot for your fantasy cops questions. Appreciate it keeping coming well. Of course. I think what i what i would do. Honestly is i pay the guy and i say if this ever happens again. You're not getting paid. It was first time. That's ever happened and that the person paid midway through the week when they thought they were gonna win. Like okay if you're gonna do that. That's the only time that that's happened though. Everyone else paid before the season except for that one look if they weren't good friend if you weren't jeopardizing like the friendliness of the league and whatnot i would agree with frank but i am not as coolest frank. I don't have a road ex of friends where i can just say. Hey i'm not gonna talk to you anyway. I'm gonna make things awkward. It's fine because i have so many other backup plans i don't i. Don't have that amount of sample. so i'm gonna you know. Just probably give the guy's money but then again what if what if. What if this thing goes on upsets the number team that week and you lose that friendship. Anyway he's they don't win on technicality. All right good cop bad cock over here from trade. There's just some emails fantasy football at. Cbs dot com. Okay trae says. I'm playing against a stacked opponent. I feel like. I have no chance to win. I mean that situation traits not fun. I have rather burger and juju. Should i pick up james washington and just hope for the steelers. They have a blow up game. Other options are antonio brown. Gutter lazard rager automated or russell gauge. I think feel pretty good about ach. Now where he can have a solid game against the patriots. So i wouldn't over think this one i would throw him in the flex rothlisberger both spot the last time they face the bengals Big ben threw for four touchdowns. I believe either three or four of them went too wide receivers so there can spot. Okay all right cool thanks for the email fantasy football cbsdfwcom you go to steve. Dear peter steve bruce and tony peter steve bruce and tony those those are comic book as hell. Yeah those are avengers. I think right nerds jamie peter. Parker steve is captain america. Right steve is from full. House was the other names. Bruce and tony narc bruce. Banner all right. So this is from a city in alaska. Juneau juneau full week. Fourteen and fifteen combined for the first round of the playoffs after thursday night football. I'm sitting at a thirty percent. Chance of thirty eight percent chance of winning streak week. Fourteen saw me get fantasy and parker for zero points wolf so he needs to start to wide receivers two running backs any flex all right. Pick two running backs chris carson. Jk dobbins jeff wilson the first. Yes so of most out. You're going to go. With dobbins over wilson i would i have. I have ranked. That most isn't playing now. And i have wilson net rb eighteen. He's a few spots dobbins for me. This is what's the format pr. I would play wilson over dobbins if most pick to ride receivers ridley maclaurin. Dj more brandon. Euch really yep now maclaurin more or the leftover running back beat dobbins or wilson. Affleck's america the leftover running back. Okay may you and yours be safe and happy during a very merry holiday season and cheers to a preposterous twenty twenty one on many fronts. Okay was well. I can get behind that i gotta look up the the dalvin derwin urban adam when you said wolf just now. Is i the only one who thought of buzz. Your girlfriend wolf love. I mean i'm thinking of now but at the time. Yeah you're probably the only one weirdo. Alvin dalvin cam ramsey. I don't know who cam is. Okay makers there seminoles st- lame. Ugly uniform seminals harbaugh says that they're expecting monkeys brown. Play good from jeremy. Dear clark rusty art and eddie frank clark rusty are nettie Come on you know this do i. Don't throw me down clock. This is christmas vacation. You just watched it. I'm not paying paying attention to name. Names the griswold. Jeremy is says he is a pacific northwest listener. So konichi-wa to you. Jeremy star three star three cooper kupp. Justin jefferson michael. Thomas t y hilton amari cooper and chase claypool. What a group. There's only one that's easy to eliminate and that's capable agreed. Correct the three of those guys. Yeah cup jefferson. Thomas hilton cooper. And what's the format dono in p. p. r. I think i'm going to start hilton. Thomas and someone named cooper nassir jefferson health and thomas jefferson in non. I think i would start hilton cup. And don't you dare sit. Michael thomas with drew brees facing the chiefs. Might i would use thomas jefferson. Thomas jefferson regardless of the hilton. Okay all right. You got some names. Their cup gets the jets man jets. I know it's true from josh. Dear chris randy anthony and jake school right. Pr league two running backs in a flex. James robinson jonathan taylor clyde edwards helaire david johnson. Pick to the first of flex clyde david johnson juju juju do from garrett. Who should i play in montgomery mile. Sanders or mike davis montgomery. Mike davis pick a patriots. Colts batteries seahawks niners patriots. Seahawks jeff from new york. Dear jack liz tracy jenna to for and lutts. These are thirty rock characters great show. I'm playing my fantasy nemesis and fizzled for me last night. Do i go with marvin jones or cole beasley or somebody just dropped tyler lockett. Do i pick him up. I don't love lock it. But he's the best of the trio. I agree with that. He's you know been mediocre hasn't had blow up games recently but we know what he's capable of so. I like them the mud. That's the type of thing where if you know you're trailing he can win you your week. Yeah but cole. Beasley gone double digit targets and three of his last four. He's got like five hundred yard games. This year doesn't have the same upside as lock though better floor. I would've feel like. I just argued that he does have the same upside no because the upside. We've seen it. We've seen his best game ever. That's not his upside. The two hundred yards and three touchdowns is not his upside in my business upside no. It's not. it's his best game ever. that's still upside. I guess generally speaking he has more upside but he has two different three touchdown games this season so he does impossible dallas in week three. All right okay. Fine you win. Here's interesting one from chris. After watching the game on thursday night. I'm wondering if josh jacobs repeated poor performances running the ball aren't a result of horrible offensive line and easy read on run plays. The reason i ask is because of potential dynasty value for jacobs my hope is he will have a better line next season and ideally better. Play calling also. What are your thoughts on clyde edwards dealer for next season. My guess well everyone that part but yeah it's an interesting question. And how you're feeling about jacobsen dynasty league jamie. I'll give you the first word. Well i think one thing that we've seen from the raiders. They're not afraid to continually invest in their offensive line. They do it. At least the last two drafts were. They've made it a priority. I think you know trying to find an upgrade if he can't return Over richie incognito. Because that's been a big part of the highs and lows for josh jacobs the past two seasons when he's been in when he's been out So the offensive line. Mostly the guard play. I think is important but He's still a strong second round. Pick in redraft leagues next year. And i still think we'll be in the conversation. 'cause i'm sure it's going to be running back evy for back in the first round consideration as well but i would prefer the second round. Clyde edwards helaire is someone that is contingent. I think what happens damien williams because if he does not come back to the chiefs then i think you look at it as okay had a inconsistent rookie campaign. But there's lots of build off because of the team that he plays for but if there is strong competition for touches after what we've seen on bell then you're going to downgrade cluttered so a little bit. But i highly doubt he's getting past the fourth round and mostly he's probably third round is where you're gonna see in seattle. Yeah i think that makes a lot of sense for clyde and it's just like the often said he plays in two and he's had some big blow up games a season. I think that there is potential. There he has been inconsistent. As you mentioned jamie. But i still think that there's something there for cloud so i'm cautiously optimistic for him entering season. Josh jacobs we know he's talented. And he's you know for what he's done. This season two yards per carry. Being down he still used a ton in the red zone to so lot of touchdown equity for him. I'm not really word. The thing a break on fantasy football today got more of your emails when we come back support for this. Podcast comes from microsoft teams. Now there are more ways to be a team with microsoft teams. Bring everyone together in a new virtual room. Collaborate live building ideas on the same page and see more of your team on screen at once. Learn more at microsoft dot com slash teams. We want the best of both worlds. We want a hybrid a smarter hybrid cloud approach with. Ibm helps retailers. Manage supply chains with watson. Ai while predicting demands with ease the world is going hybrid with ibm visit ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud email from perry. Hi anita flex half. Pr kareem hunt. Clyde edwards helaire robby anderson pick one. I think it's pretty close between kareem hunt. An robby anderson but i would go with hunt hunt as of now when we're recording this if we find out curtis samuel is out than i would go interest. Alex smith by the way has been ruled out twain. Haskins will start. I think that actually helps. Terry mclaren i would totally agree Well helps the seahawks. Tst that's for sure jp from a town in the up. He's a euchre. I cannot name any to ann arbor. I dunno dear. Jeff damon denzel marshawn gary on and you i bradley. Oh these are the first we had. A seminal is one now we have ohio state one. I like it. Two thousand one champions right. Are you saying these people are using a holiday. In general state is that the year that they'd be miami. Was there one or two zero two two. They didn't beat miami as you recalled actually lost the miami and then they somehow ended up winning. I have four running backs on debating between all very close to tweak you then bring up that game stupid frigging game clyde edwards layer miles sanders cam akers and jk dobbins. I believe he needs to ever dealer sanders acres. Dobbins format is ohio state socks. And i dunno npr. I would go with taylor in sanders. Who said taylor. I did not jamie your ignorance or acres. I was thinking another great recommended by acres in sanders in non pr. I would go with acres and dobbins sanders regardless of format and moving on to ben. I have a big semi final game this weekend for my flex position. I'm trying to decide between kareem hunt. Deontay johnson and amari cooper full. Pr would go with cooper. If it's half or not i would use kareem hunt. Full yard actually go with the johnson and any other scoring. i'd go with marker. This could be very big news Deforest buckner is listed as questionable with an ankle injury. He did not practice on friday. Okay that is a big that is yeah so that would be big for the texans. Change anything in terms of david johnson. Yes yes so. David says a low in number two. But i haven't as a sit and starts. I would completely change that for sure and then another injury note which is probably bigger antonio gibson. Okay yeah there you where are we here. We are at omar in buffalo deer past present and future frank. You watched christmas vacation. I think i think you should try scrooge. i don't think you're gonna like it as much. I have never watched that movie like bill. Murray bill murray screws his great. I love it. I don't know that if you didn't grow up with it you're going to like it that much. It's my wife didn't like it. She tried with. She didn't wasn't now but give it a shot. Chris gives me yeah. I guess what we go. Based on our ages. I be past. You would be president and frankly be feature. Yeah i think so and tracker would be something that it doesn't even exist yet hunt or mckissic pr. But the thing is has wasn't throwing mckissic as much. I would use hunt all right. This is from frank. I made it to the playoffs in my team. Half pr superplex. I've got mahomes wilson and mayfield and a ton of star running backs. Wilson has a tough match up next two weeks. It's ten point bonuses for quarterback throwing over three hundred yards and running backs rushing over one hundred yards. So i think the question is. He's going to start. He's going to start mahomes. Would you start any of these running backs over. Russell wilson He's got chubb acres. Taylor swift and robinson. He's not telling me how many running backs he starts. That's the problem but let's say he has to start two of them. Let's say that those are taylor and chubb. Would you start acres swift or robinson over wilson. No no okay. All right then down from will dear chevy macauley and bruce. Oh three of the best actors. Yeah sure chevy or it's chevy is chevy chase chevy. Why did i say chevy. He's not a car. I need to wide receivers wanting one running back and one flex. So let's start with the two receivers. Michael thomas calvin ridley robert woods tie hilton boy. The i do. But it's hard to bench to you. Health thomas really. You may not have to bench. Ty health and you can flex t y hilton. Take a running back hunter. Jeff wilson jeff wilson most yes and then flex hilton over hunt and woods. Yes i would use hilton in full. We're both email from dan. Subject is diehard slash people. Slash butterfinger slash. Go outside. we know this direct that. Yeah these are like these are dot for things that i hate. 'cause i love diehard but these are sort of four things that i don't know are unique to me. Pick to run back to start gibson. He's not gonna play. Dobbins david johnson damian harris moss or girly dobbins david johnson harris mosque early the first to dobbins david johnson especially at buckner up and pick a flex the remaining running back. So that'd be damian. Harris moss or girly or landry tyler boyd or gauge or gabriel davis or or. Mvs or my coo pittman. she's probably landry or met. I'm thinking it's p. r. I don't know doesn't say if it's full would use landry if it's half or non would use agree correct. What do you think about this from ryan from the home of the mud hens. That's toledo we know that my league pays out a small amount to the weekly high score. Works out to two percent of the amount collected and that continues through week. Seventeen this way every team is still able to compete for something okay. That's not unusual. Most teams still claimed players off the waiver wire and it keeps the teams in the playoffs. This this is what's unusual. Most teams still claim players off the waiver wire and it keeps the teams in the playoffs from getting all the now. Guys jeff wilson. I think it works well. What are your thoughts. It makes everyone look at their roster differently leading into the playoffs and week to week. When you know you just won't get who you want. Almost automatically are like it. Not a fan. I think playoff teams should be should have the first shot at the waiver. Wire i i think i mentioned this last week on the wednesday waiver on that we do playoff teams are loud and then on the saturday night waiver. Run constellation teams are allowed to make moves as well. Yep that's the way. It should be if you are allowing everybody to compete for something and from matthew in tom's river new jersey. Start to of these players. Zeke claypool rashard higgins tee higgins russell gauge. Pick to zeke claypool higgins higgins gauge begrudgingly zeke. And i wanna use rashard higgins. I would agree and from john. A and also matt says have a merry christmas and a happy fantasy football playoffs. Thank you great of year from john. Deere adam todd. Rex and eric. You said john deere. Those are some great coaches in the new york jet tree. Yes they are josh. So bad out of todd rexha derek. I'm in the semi finals for the third straight year. I'm a loyal listener. And i'm sure i'm unsure about my quarterback with televi- loa and mullins not giving me much confidence. I have godwin on my bench and could play him instead of the quarterbacks so i believe this is a superplex league. Would you play chris. Godwin to or mullins. Trust nick mullins even though the matchup is great because if he has a bad first quarter or bad start yeah they could bench him but dallas is so bad that it's hard to get away from what could be if he does play a full game especially kills returning so i'd probably stick with. That's where i'm leaning as well really. We'll say i loved rex. Ryan as a jets. You know as a jet fan at the time was the main you know towards. You is very good for you great. He was great. He has delivered my greatest jets memories in my lifetime which is not saying much like he has delivered my niece and nephew. Obgyn in the offseason. That's kind of where you were going with. That and i think i told this story. But he steve weatherford former punter for the jets toll. The great rex ryan story on the home team watch party presented by lois. Which you better tune in for sunday at four. pm eastern cheap saints. Steve weatherford said that They played the patriots they had lost snug. A huge shock and weatherford wife was went into labor and so rex. Ryan postgame gathers the team's about to give his post-game speech. She said yeah. We had a tough loss today but life is bigger than football. Steve weatherford is about to become a dad again. He's got a bunch of kids. But i think this is like his fourth or something like that. So we're going to cut everything short post game and see if we can get him home. Basically in time so they. I don't think they showered. They think they cut their media. They digged short of their post game activities. Got on the plane. They got home and steve weatherford got there i think he said twelve minutes before his kid was born. Well rex ryan did that. After a loss and steve weatherford also said rex ryan would take the blame in the media for things that were the players faults like. All the time he tells some really cool stories about rex. Ri- made me really appreciate him as a coach was really cool stuff. Yeah all right. So yeah if you wanna from marcus colston and dante hall. That's you'll hear those interviews these athletes. They're so laid back on twitch and so forth coming it's really cool and brinson asked terrific questions. It gets great stories out of them So i encourage you to tune in for our last home. Watch part of the year and make sure you're watching Cbs sports it's q. Ten am eastern sunday. That's on all of your connected devices and your roku wherever you're watching. Cbs sports hq. Get the hq f. Thanks to jamie into frank. Thank you for watching and listening and good luck. We'll talk you covered off now. Let's so mean earth yet. Well bad news for what no not. Tehran you sec football. You love the fact that the sec championship always has a role in the college. Football playoff discussion always has a national championship. Contender involved will now more than ever. You need to know that the sec championship game just like the sec. 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And didn't you say there's a room where just this will be playing its boiler room van pelt? Is this your jam from from from Maryland as right here like with this get this get Scott van pelt to do the running man back when he was at the university of Maryland. Lovers. Definitely in the rotation. You guys have great music, and I'm I'm sitting here. And I'm listening to you all chuckling through the update, and I'm like is that it ships in lovers. So yeah, sure we ruined. Re where the day goes up to up to you guys again. That's a good one. I'm wondering what else would be in that group. Right. We can have that conversation for a while guys in their forties. Like when they hearken back to a musical time. When they didn't know what they were doing. But it was kind of magical. I'll drop the line right now you online. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go live. Scott van pelt? We have him on actually to shame this golfer that I I want an what Scott's opinion is on this. My guess is Scott is going to side with coots year that would be my guess because now saying that they had an arranged band prior to that event in Mexico where it's all the guy. Hey five thousand dollars for the weekend. What are your thoughts here Scott van pelt because we've been thinking about what we've been trying to send the stugotz army the way of Matt Kuchar because he got one point three million dollars for winning that tournament and only gave his caddy five grand. What are your thoughts? There. You you you gotta do better than that. Now. Now, here's the thing. I I've talked to a bunch of players and some caddies about this. The there are caddies and players that that have this type of arrangement you say, hey, here's the number for the week. It's X for this. And it's whatever like, but you can't you can't like maybe you want to cap it at something crazy like, hey, if we have a great week, and we win I'll give you whatever. But five can't be your ceiling, and you can't play that. Well, here's this caddy in Mexico, and he doesn't make a lot of money anyway. So this is pretty good week. He can't you just can't go down that road. And I I'm a guy like to me to be accused of being a anything other than a generous Tipper, particularly when a generous tip is has been earned is is something that I am I recoil at that thought. I would never wanna be that guy. So in this case, even if you have an arrangement you just do what's right? And you say, hey, listen, I said, I was going to give you five I'm gonna give you seventy five I'm gonna. Give you fifty whatever you think is okay now for the caddy to turnaround Sam supposed to get ten percent. Like, if you had a deal, you know, that that that hard and fast idea, you get ten percent of a win that that's maybe that's sort of an old say wives tale, but as purses grew a lot of cat. He's in players sort of had their understandings of what we would you know, what bonuses would be tied to wins. But this guy's a one off just just given the give him give him something far beyond five and move on with your life. So I signed with the caddy closer to the cat. Even the player. There's just there's a middle room that they needed a middle ground route at that they needed to get to that. They haven't gotten to shipping container help me out here because I'd like to put together a rankings at ESPN. He's talking about doing the right thing. Like in terms of people at ESPN because we can be polarizing the gas bags, but then pelts one of the likable guys. It's Kirk Shan. It's more like the decency rankings when he's crushing you. Okay. You're a turt-. And so and so so. Shipping container. Where is Scott van pelt on the on the rankings in terms of just fundamentally decent people at ESPN right behind me. I mean, I got them right right behind Kirk. I mean, I can't put on ahead of Kirk. He knows that. He understands me. I I have Tim I have Linda Cohn. I have Bob Lee. And then maybe S P P. What I'm what I'm way I'm with bodily window way above way, above them. It's true. I was just gonna say that Bob Lee can be prickly. He can be don't tell anybody. Don't tell him. I think you're on it with more more, certainly in a tough more and more also beats I think he more interest in terms of being decent. Randy, Scott, sneaky kind. Yes. But I feel. I haven't this is not an internal info. I think I've seen something in terms of q scores Scott, then pelt is the top. Okay. So what's the right amount? Scott don't do. And you just did it. Right. You could sign number of why they came back with an extra fifteen thousand dollars. So they upped twenty thousand that's not enough. I don't what. Okay, as the fundamentally decent guidance and conscience of this company. One is that split split the difference? It would have been one thirty for the win. And you said you're paying him five for the week. So that would have put just so it you should be at seventy but make it more to say seventy five and we move on hooters made a ton of money, and he was just saying Kuchis have good guy. He's he's he's a decent and great family guy. Went likes guy. This is just a fumble. This is is is a three putt put it in a horrible golf pun here. He's just he missed the Mark here. Give the guy seventy five grand call it a day. And that's and that's totally fair, especially if you went into the week with an agreement. Just seventy five nothing for coach to write the check just Senate seventy five in any in your desk events. It's not as normal caddy's got. So what if what if I present you with this scenario where Kuchar won the tournament, despite the caddy meeting, the caddy's telling them, hey, you two hundred out here's an eight iron and Kuchis go, and I can't hit two hundred right? And he is so couture's is pulling out the club's not the Gaddi with. And this is done now that Stu gods, that's an entirely fair and reasonable discussion to have because maybe he won. If spite of the fact that he's getting the wrong numbers. Guys. Re degrees says it breaks left and right right at the end of the week. And the guy was castrophe. But he wanted to fight him. That's the part. We don't know. And we do this thing where we wanna shame. Shame. Shame. I'm just so here's the thing at the end of it to write a guy that check for that number. I it it doesn't get his his his, you know, ability to go to the ATM and withdraw hundred you know, he's fine. Just just carry on. You know, it's. The. But here's a problem. It's to rate like everybody's already decided he's cheap bastard, and they're gonna end, and that's what they've decided so him writing that number now doesn't buy that back. See see what I'm saying? Put it on the scroll Scott van pelt calls cooter a cheap bastard. Like, that's what it sounded. Like, you are the responsible guy, you're clean here. We're the ones in the sewage. How do we bury this guy? How how do we bury the cheap bastard like by creating so much public pressure that he can't stand it anymore? And he has the help the poor, Cathy Ames co-chairman. He'll he'll probably I mean, I don't know if it's too late. But I'm saying that that's the public perception your you're feeling that trying to use me saying that I did it, and that's not gonna work. But there's you you've you've done your part. You've you you, you know through the bat signal here. I am telling you I'm giving a guy number like to me. That's that's a reasonable by outline ask you day laboratories is the. Man. I'm rolling in the sewage is if he writes that number we good, can you say he did what was right and you move onto your next target or call him only after being shamed. Correctly by Scott van pelt in a public forum. Did he summon the strength to actually know what what a deeply by an achieve one to boot? Even ven pelt is going after me on the radio. Can I ask a question that would be much like you do I have twenty seconds to ask a question or some gyp shin lover you get one one of one of the I want to ask the question as a Logan this be better for the local hour. But as a tourist who comes up to to to south beach rarely how do I get out of south beach without having to take fifty minutes to get five blocks to merge on the road. You can't you can't guy. That's my day every death travel by there. Yeah. That's it. I'm gonna copter helicopter submarine. But yes, it's very crowded. I thought about the the copter, but I mean, I've need couture money to do that. And I'll have to. Thank you, Scott. We appreciate it. We're. Gonna send you and your weekend. Dancing, shake those hips. Hell you. So God's tears nice to have a helping hand especially when it's act season. 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No, he's nine two leaks. Still, but he's going to be the hockey and Basseterre for the twenty twenty two once a games. Nice. Nice. He should be right. Yeah. Hugger I mean hockey Yager put it on the poll Guillermo should Yaar mere Yager when you're done talking the Mexican caddy put it on the poll at lebatardshow should Yaar mere Yager be playing into his fifties. In the NHL. He's going to be in charge of the preparation and development of Chinese hockey Chinese hockey is that where the Olympics are going to be held the Winter Olympic, gene. I need them in the league. Your mere Yager is not the same. He hearkens back to a different time have among enough. No. We didn't have him long enough for this reason toward the very end. He was being extorted by a woman who wanted to put pictures on the internet of her in bed with your mere Yager in his late forties. Young woman. She was going to catch the dinosaur dinosaur in her snare in her social media snare. She tried to extort him and Yaar mere Yager through his head back and laughed. Remember when we asked is then teammate Vinnie tro, check about the story Yager loved and extortion attempts. Hilarious. That's the what did you guys say to them? Like, what is one say the arm your Yager in that circumstance? Whenever I came out. We didn't think it was real simple. Maybe Photoshop it or something to like, y'all. What are you doing with this with this girl? He's like, what do you mean? What am I doing this for like you got pair live what's going on? And he's like, oh, what do you mean pairs? Picture. Go ahead. Put out a picture. Look good. Yager needs to be at the rink at midnight skating around with like a lead vest on the way that he's been doing for the last decade. Mike after revisiting that sound you agree. We need them back or absolutely help. The Panthers Patras be five points out of the final playoff spot in the east as they always are can you for me? Have you heard the Michael Kay sound us to God? I have not. All right. This is what I know. Thank you. God's for stopping rummaging around in your ear for a moment while we were on national television. There can you guys please just replay again and again at some point during the show, Stu gods. Rummaging around in his ear on television. And then looking at his finger when it emerged from his ear. And what did you see because I saw you do it like what when you look at the tip of your finger. What did you find that was so fascinating that you couldn't listen to the radio show that you're paid to do do pod today? I mean, you agree though. If you put the. Finger in the air. You gotta look. No, listen. I'm not look I was juggling. The make sure came out. And I thought it did. And now it's not on my finger. So I don't know where it is. I heard it. Oh, hit the ground. Yes. I heard it. It's out the console somewhere near you. I what I want though, Mike what I want more than anything, and we can be hard to televise. Sometimes Billy had a great mind blown earlier in the show. And no camera was on him. Because it can't be on everybody at all times. What I'm telling you is you will see something truly disgusting in its natural environment. If you just have stugatz staring at his finger when he's supposed to be broadcasting for the worldwide leader trying to see how big the orange ball in his finger is and how much hair it has. And that's what he did the contribute to helping me do a radio show today through body why I'm lashing out. It's not because he's number one overall in south beach sessions is tenth damn you. Things are too long. They are they are a little long. Zoar mont-. Yeah, they're stupid. Yeah. That's right. And it's what American one it's one American more than ever. I didn't think you were going to run me out of here just by being stupid. But you're gonna you're gonna at the end. Heart people the smart people, you're with me. But I know he's got Kenny. Gee, it's bigger. It's okay. We're menu item. I'm gonna keep telling myself that I think you'll myself giving you a little bit of everything its tenth Mike that's actually eleven plus I checked. You're the veggie platter. I'm the chicken win. On the pole. Guillermo is Dan. The veggie platter. Go ahead and give it another. Look see though for you, see if we can crack the top ten again in the interim can you play this Michael k sound for the audience. Please Michael Kay is the drive time host in New York who has toppled the mighty king gas bags sleeps at the Mike francesa, if I'm Jim Dolan. I'm Mike shoe. Phil Jackson for the money. Now. Obviously, what's twelve million dollars a year for five years, Jim Dolan. But that's disgraceful. Because what a GM has to do is overturn every rock. See what's underneath twenty nineteen made their way to Greece to watch this kid play and the Nixon doing and the Knicks gotta pick before the bucks, and it could have had him catacomb Paul, but Phil Jackson judged everybody. While you saying that Phil wasn't air in two thousand thirteen. I'm checking now was not he came after this. I think came after that draft. No, Michael forget it even if it's not Phil Jackson. We all know how bad is whoever was before him to be shamed. Whole he's covering it on introduced as the president of the next twenty four team high. So he wasn't there for the two thousand thirteen draft. Sorry apologies him. But not to the Knicks drivers that for the next two thousand thirteen I think it was Tim Hardaway junior they picked after. So they didn't have a chance to get you on us. But. That was the year after the big win the the winds. Yeah. Wow. Lavigne's news. You've climbed back into the top ten. Find up one spot from eleven to two. Yes. Who'd he knock out coward donlevatar, Stu gods. Just told me that he's trying to parlay his relationship with Warren Buffett men, a relationship that is only Warren Buffett coming on our radio show one time into Warren Buffett getting him on at Augusta Stu gods. What are you laughing about their Mike to the show? DC libertas show with this two guys on ESPN radio. The Anthony Davis story has some developments in him leaving the arena early. And now it appearing as they fired their general manager that their general manager just got fired because he played Anthony Davis and Anthony Davis got hurt last night Bryant. And so it that's it seems like those two things together because we didn't have any notice the general manager of even though they betrayed Anthony Davis at every turn even though they've been a failure firing him. Now makes it look like you're firing him because Anthony Davis played yesterday and got hurt in a nationally televised game win. Playing Anthony Davis serves next to nobody right now. Right. It doesn't serve it doesn't serve del Dem's. It doesn't serve the pelicans. It doesn't serve Anthony Davis. And yet the appearance when you do it the day after it appears now a lot of people are saying, it's raw roster construction. And he hasn't done a good job of that. And this is a long term thing. But when you do it the night after Anthony Davis my out of your arena, Mike, what is saying is wold is wold linking up these two things. The fact that Anthony Davis last night got hurt. It's the disaster scenario now, it's not a career ending situation. But it's enough to cost your job. If you're the general manager of the pelicans, and all other things being will you haven't done a very good job. Right. It's a fireable offense at the end. But what I was telling you before is this is a fascinating collision at the intersection of business interests and sports interests because Anthony Davis was playing last night because it was a nationally televised game. That's the reason he. He's playing. It's the reason the NBA has been putting pressure on the pelicans to play Anthony Davis at the risk of a fine because they've got television relationship sponsors. They've got please all of this is about money. So did did Dale them's just get fired for playing Anthony Davis in a nationally televised game that he was pressured by the NBA to play him in. Whoa. Tweeted out after he tweeted out the news ownership was livid with an injured Anthony Davis leaving the arena during Thursday night's game. Sources say gale Benson is telling associated she wants and overhaul pellet of the pelicans. And he search for GM to take a man of Davis trade talks, right, but temps doesn't have control over whether or not Anthony Davis plays Alvin gentry does and ownership and senior management had been very pleased with Alvin gentry and his staff and believe players are largely responding to what's been tumultuous stretch. According to wo-, do I think for the first time though after last night's game, gentry said something he's frustrated like he is finally said something that enough is enough. This dumpster. Fire at I don't think that helped del Dem's at all. Because it is it absolutely is. I mean, gentry finally came out and express expressing frustration. But if I tell you. These are the things that are happening. Really, why do you have such a sad face? Did you fail on the caddy? Did you fail on the caddy? Here's the thing. I talked to him yesterday. He said he was all good. He's appeared at like one thirty after I give them very specific times. And they said we're not on the air right now. Like, let me call you tomorrow. We set up a time. He said, okay perfect. I can do tomorrow. I work from seven to noon. Just call me after new all of these conversations are taking place in Spanish, correct? Yes. Which is not an I even apologized to him in Spanish from my bad grammar because it's been a long time since I've been writing in Spanish, so I feel like on a real high yesterday. I'm like, oh my God. I reached out I made an international guest booking in my second language on top of the world. And then today, it's like it's a long fall when you're on the top of the world, Dan. Are you saying the caddy is frustrated because maybe that's what happened? That's what I was telling van pelt. I mean, maybe it's the caddy's fault. Maybe he wanted to spite the cat. I'm more interested right now in what's happening with Billy who seems despondent. His weekend is already blind from the top of the world. And it's it's a long fall. He's not answering me it's just. Are we not getting him on? Now, we we've tried all week to shame. We again marching band nowhere this cheap bastard. You know, maybe we shouldn't be coacher. Yeah. Maybe we shouldn't be calling him that. And perhaps another angle to all of this is maybe coutries biting his tongue. And he doesn't wanna throw this caddy under the bus because all academy essentially there was played defense against them. And just carry his bags and Kuchis. Like, I gotta do this all my own. That's what I'm saying. Listen, he doesn't appear to be terribly reliable. I mean, look the experience Billy had with him this meeting. That's what I'm saying is listen when you ask your caddy AM two hundred out, and he hand you a pitching wedge. That's frustrating. If you're a golfer. I mean, I'm gonna a pitching wedge hundred yards. There's nothing were to happen. The bill. A could have habit based on what's going on this week. I'm not rolling it out. I'm considering a pivot to now siding with cooter. There's nothing worse than biting your tongue. We can agree on that. It's like the worst pains, W w toes worst. I was right there with you. Billy put on the poll at lebatardshow what's worse by. Well. That's a good question. Stubbing your toes or biting your tongue. What's the worst thing to happen to your tongue? Does it biting your tongue or burning your tongue because? Yes, when you stub your tell you have two seconds between when the pain when I think the pains gonna hit and when it hits that makes it worse. It makes it better. I think oh, he's an yourself. No. That makes it worse brace for the pain at lebatardshow, the two seconds. It takes the toes stub to get to your brain good or bad. The silent painless to second long between it is long. It's amazing sticks through the intestines. It's weird. I don't know how it gets to the brain. So slowly, I don't think much is there a lot of other pain like that that you get to wait around for two seconds until Iraq. Delayed pain. Is there any anything else? Like that that the toe? I don't even know how all of that works. Is it just because it's geographically far away from the brain is the furthest away. Is that is that? So if you burn the bottom of your feet that'll get there even slower. Biting your tongue way worse because you're what you're doing something enjoyable you're eating like, this is so much out and a hit you like right away. That's like a brain freeze. Oh my God. I've had brain freeze where I'm sure I'm going to die like there's something actually wrong with me. Like, I know I'm eating ice cream right now. I'm doing a really fast, but this is not an oral brain his pain. This is something a lot worse. You think it's a seizure of some sort? And you'd think something checks himself is something very bad is happening in your skull. It's not just that you're eating delicious ice cream. Exactly. Okay. Very good. Excellent work today. Billy on not getting the caddy and talking and wasting a whole lot of international phone money today all week. He's been calling Mexico all week speaking. Some some gulp shock out there. I'm not even convinced. It was him. I was speaking to you. I want to Louis assumes. And boom, boom. Canoes Bill your parents and no risk of dying from a brain freeze. If it's a brain freeze, though. That's the thing comes something else masked as a brain for you never be too safe. Are you alleging on national radio? Are you alleging that the brain freeze is worse than both the bitten tongue and the stubbed toe. Is that what you're alleging? It's worse than the bidding tongue. Oh that is not as good. They're not as a fight you. I don't know what I'm saying. Yeah. Okay. Two minutes get out of here. Whoa. Wow. I mean, he's just been so bad. Like that segment was useless. I find him. I wanna final. Let's all fine. We all find him do dollars each two dollars for everybody. Well, let's I dunno donlevatar. It's friday. I'm getting into the weekend. I wanna get my drink on. Stugatz. You've got to open up the club open. It. I would open it. Now, but is the computer buffering there? This is not live with our show with a Stu gods on ESPN radio. We're going to open up the club in a second. Also, it feels like we've got a bunch of good polls as well. I don't want to say that. I have been totally humbled. But there was a plate of chicken wings outside. I was about to have lunch and two. Gotcha. Just came over eight eight of them and just looked at me while licking his fingers Supandi, number one beach sessions number ten and just ate all of my chicken wings, while I was having lunch just came over. And then walked off. These are the solo projects that ended up breaking up rock and the good news though. I think is all of this falls on their laboratory and friends, you should take credit for all of it. Right. That's what I'm gonna do at lebatardshow that seems like a good plan at lebatardshow is where you vote on the polls, Billy. So you're not gonna get us. Anybody? There's not going to be any caddie gotten today. We're gonna have to wait till next week. He's going to run you around for Monte fatty next week. I could get a caddy, but not the caddy onto all right? Excellent. Work at lebatardshow on Twitter, Instagram and Twitter, go heads to gods. What an af championship game for all the marbles between Tim Tibo and Colin Kaepernick get the highest ratings and the history of sports seventy nine percent of the audience said, yes. What the hell does Scottie Pippen think about this? Your choices were the broad is better. Jordan is better depends on the crowd. Seventy five percent of the audience said it depends on the crowd is best in show one of the best movies and comedy sixty four percent of the audience said, no, oh, you don't know. That's ignorance right there that is young people who don't know the movie just voted. No. That's it. Are you more inclined to listen to somebody when they say, Michael, Jeffrey, Jordan? Upset here. Guys. Fifty two percent of the audience said, no. Yep. Fifty two does everyone know that islands are better than peninsulas. What was that an appeal? I just I think he just got just got scared of the penis word. Peninsula. Seventy one percent of the audience said yes, does two guys think he's close when he's not close. Ninety eight's the record ninety seven percent of the audience said, yes is Nevada a big alien playground and Bigfoot hotbed. Eighty six percent of the audience said, yes, really, I should your Amir Yager be playing into his fifties. In the NHL y'all here. Whatever eighty nine percent of the audience said, yes. Stupidity. Number one, two dollar fine. It is Dan. Well, what happened? There is Dan. The veggie platter. Sixty four percent of the audience said, yes, he'll be fair should have been south beach. Sessions is south beach sessions. The veggie platter. Yes. The answer. No dame. Can't be a veggie platter. Look at his face. This is a big one. What's worse? Your choices biting your tongue. Stubbing your tail. It is a big one. The question of the day. Fifty four percent of the audience said biting your tongue nonsense. Wow. Wait, not as good for you. That's fine. All right. Get out of here. Chris you don't even. Remember, what your argument is the way he was looking at the book. I never know when you're playing the olefin whether you're just the get the hell out of here. Now, you just argued with yourself with no recollection of what you argued before get out of here through walk into the ocean get outta here. Walk into the ocean. Get out of here. Are the two seconds. It takes for the pain from stubbing your Toda, get to your brain good or bad. Seventy five percent of the audience said bad. Let's let's open up the club. Michael open. It. Wednesday, Deb here. She's coming to town here this week and weekend. Sorry. I didn't get her, Dan. What's the first time? We've got the club. I do want to get your thoughts though on what Burland said, and what it is that you've got for us on Fremont. Right now. As bad at radio is anyone has ever been. Right now. Yeah. When we're talking on the radio, you might want to answer the question right now saying that says bad at radios anybody's ever been I believe so you got something worse. Charlie sent Charlie had this Charlie as far as I know. So just Charlie's title a string. In a weird wag Greg was worse right now. I don't think anyone's ever been worse than Billy was in those moments right now who else in the club boy goods with one stone chilly. Good day. Meantime, his accents or horrible made worse only by her inability to get through them because she's laughing too much. Late. Who else then the club and they go in. That of course, earlier in the show that was Bob Ryan being tasers and. Whilst in the club. And that appears to be the coming to fruition here. It'd be the. The. Well in the club. He's failed Dwayne with the bail the pins failed the city that Stu gods labeling the complaint toward Pat Riley before he got LeBron James and Chris Bosh. Well, if the Arizona Cardinals do not draft Tyler Murray, the cliff Kingsbury project is already a failure. Wow. Why I need to apologize. I honestly it's after the segment ended, and we went to commercial break had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black. Message and data rates may apply. One. Did it become ok for men to be Lazier softer fatter? 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Episode 116: RAW 07.15.02 WATCH ALONG

The Jim Ross Report

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Episode 116: RAW 07.15.02 WATCH ALONG

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You know what he if anyone deserves a break. It's him and i'm glad he's getting a little bit of a break this summer. I know he's having a good time. But yeah when he says. Paul can you help me with jr grilling jr. Yes please my hand goes straight out. I'm excited to be here with you. Jim speaking of excitement. It was just over a week ago. Eighty w was back. Live on the road in miami and man. I could feel the crowd through the television. How what was it like to be there all great. It was good. You know so energizing and so much energy in the room it was. You know we don't we we run a mid sized arenas so If the intimacy of the crowd and when they make noise you know like austin was sold out You know we just had a we. We've just been very blessed for our our crabs. Love what we do and and they're also very boisterous. They're also very vocal expressing their what they like. They don't like so forth so It's it's great. It's hard to imagine that we went so long without Crowds there and how we were able to pull it off. I think people overlook that. I think tony kahn in his group Our team made it look easier than it was quite frankly without breaking mar patting myself on the back as soon as Our team has done well in that environment but getting back on the road was was I i can see the excitement just an expressions body english I thought that is your talk. You mentioned apollo about Miami it was so some motivational. If you can't get into that environment and those crowds you know as they were. You know you're you're you might be in the wrong business I can tell you that. And the other thing is kind of overlooked. You know the way that. Tony kahn writes. Tv shows we start off big and we end big so you book in what you perceive will be must see matches and it all starts for me with the what starts to show and i thought that cody rhodes and a cutie. Marshall as i refuse to call him marchelle shivani. Kansas city wants to. I don't give a shit is not doing Marchelle but acute Roast the case had one of his best outings maybe ever in his life and not kicking it off like they did was was big time and i hope that they understand what a contribution they made that night to get us started on the right but and set the tone and the room set the tone in the arena for this show. So i i had a blast and you forget how important that audience is for a live presentation So it's great. You know we're not doing tennis or not doing golf eating. We need noise right. And i'm looking forward to the day that that fans Regular posters are size colosio attitude era. We'll see so science travel here on the show. Signs are kind of a cool thing because it's not a good market research. what are you thinking about. You're thinking you know you get you. Get to assist adds to the ambience to me. And as a longtime fan. And i answered a van that Those signs i think just are kind of cool. So i enjoyed. I was glad i've ever back in a live audience. Our ticket sales going forward or good. You know we're going to be finished at boston We're going to go to or are we gonna. I got it here. garland texas which is essentially the dallas metroplex the twenty first and then charlotte on the twenty eighth so the month of. July's good. we're we're you know. We're hopping and tickets for sale. It's chicago's got a lot of stuff coming. its way. so we're uh we're blessed are fans loyal. they're terrific. I love the fact that they're outspoken. Problem with that. And because i twenty of that. When i have i w w paul couple of weeks ago yes. Some of them were fine. Some sun seems to have the desire to take their animosity or their disappointment are their critiques. Or whatever you wanna call it to a little bit personal personal. I don't think it's necessary but honestly it got personal. Information is incorrect. Well you know. Jr had a stroke stroke. Thank god i'm not gonna would right Have bills policy three times but you know in the heat of battle man. We got no net out there. We're not doing reduce we don't have stance and so sometimes you get carried away and oops there goes so any of that living a dream man on a least live. Crowds is a cherry on the sunday. The sauce on the ribs. Shall we say there you go. It blows my mind. You mentioned that but jr you worked with that company for what twenty five thirty some years. It feels like so. Gimme a break Nobody wants to give brady more. That's not acceptable. Right with the young defiant demographic that believes that they they know what's best in every topic they discuss and maybe they do know what's best. I'm not saying a finished less than mine. i'm just saying. Sometimes they come with your own information and a discounts their opinion when they provide data. That isn't true or accurate so Like the stroke. Well let's give him a break you know. He had a stroke or let's give them a break because he lost his wife. Yeah do we have to go there. We really need to go there. I made a mistake. Syphilis that Helen made another one last week. with the excalibur calling mark. That's what i call him all day. That's my mistake I told you. I told show we were laughing about us. We're listening to make a headliner to you laughed. I said Here's how i explain this. Or how i feel about. This wasn't right. i mean i it was a slip. Yeah but the issue is is that. When i first met excalibur i didn't know who he was a never seen. This work Although he came from. Pwg that environment He had a lot of friends that were with us in our startup Which is fine but he to me he was just. He was a talent since then over the last couple of years. He's my friend. So it excalibur is my working guy is li- associate but Mark is my friend. So i so i got a friend of mode i guess inadvertently shame on me and it slipped out of there so i said it was for a wicked tedious out more than nine though so any of that. It's just a you're sitting there. The no net buddy and don't have a net. I love that. I wouldn't have it any other way and So i am a i still have. I think the best job in pro wrestling too. Great partners who shivani and and x calver. So you know it's it's it's i look forward to going to work every week. All savannah gig listen and as like many of the listeners of this show many of jr fans who grew up listening to you were the soundtrack for us for rustling the voice of wrestling. I choose to look at the ninety eight point five or ninety nine percent of everything you get right including the call of one malachi. Black came out strikes. Cody rhodes. that's a big acquisition for. Awb or fire you bring it to life with the audience and man. That was a really cool moment on that show. You know. i didn't see him all day. I never met in my life. I didn't meet him before the show I knew the rumblings that there was something. We've got some surprises tonight. And you know. I've i've been very adamant with my associates of my peers that i don't need to know that information now. That may sound. Come off as arrogant but for me to be real and natural the spontaneous. I don't need to know what. I don't need a precondition myself s okay. He's going to do this then. I'm going to say that right. it loses. The magic man loses the magic. So i don't need to know any finishes quite frankly the day that i can't interpret with a finishes and now works out I can't do that then somebody else be. That shared metal. So i i i had. I had bought a fan. And he's a big equity is like you said ball. He's he's a malachi is a big acquisition for us and i'm glad he's on our team and survived very surprised that Wwe letting slip away. Don't know all the back story that stuff. What the dirt is you know. I'll leave that up to wrestling observer to take all that stuff out. But i i don't know but i know that we're lucky. We have in his prime. Yeah and he's he's a unique talent You know it looks like i. Dancing partner seems to be based on what we saw in memphis going to be coded and they'll have a hell run. I think Both are young and hungry and you know code is one of my favorites in and out of the rain. And i guess that's because i was so close to his father and i kind of have i feel compelled even though he's never asked me to show. I feel compelled to kinda look out for little bit. And i can't help it so obvious. Disclosure that he that'll that'll be a hell iran. So whenever it is we we got some. I think tony kahn's got some other surprises. I hear coming up. so he's been very aggressive lack. The trevor lawrence draft pick is shoot for the moon. Here a lot of guys. And i think we're gonna be we're going to be loaded up for summer and fall and keep getting stronger and i can't wait. It's exciting as a fan of wrestling to have that excitement and that surprise back again. Who's going to show up and who you know. You don't know who you have. The critics we talk about social media all they're becoming. Wwe light but it's funny. I was just talking to someone the other day and they. They had a great comparison. So what you're trying to say is if someone in their prime becomes a free agent and the pittsburgh steelers the dallas cowboys. Don't want to go after that. If they go after that talent and bring them on then they become that other team now. It's you picked up a great drive. A great free agent. Who's going to contribute right away and be a big time player on this team. Yes we argument. They're wwe light. You know I don't agree with that. And i'm not knocking. Wwe i charge in life to criticize castigates. The wwe aren't twenty-six years. There and i am not an anti wwe. I don't feel like we're wrestling war. The war is is aws versus itself. Yeah getting our young guys to continue to evolve and get better and I think we're seeing that were some of our homegrown. Kids are starting to find their way. There's a lotta is a big difference in working. Twg for example or indie show and working a match on national television show. it's a different mindset it's just a different ballgame and a lot of our guys had never had. that never played in that ballgame. So i see you know. Our agents are coaches. we call them You know we got a great goof proof of guys. They're there to help these kids. You know jerry lands amazing. Malingco is one of the best coaches. I've ever seen and But we got a bunch of guys that are good The that health to talents ch and now. The talents are catching up with them. And starting to create their own content. And that's the idea. Create if you if you create ownership. You have a better chance of the of the of the owners becoming successful so remember cowboy bill. Watts was back the date. I quote him a lot because he was one of my. It was my first real mentor. And he was a brilliant son of gun He brings top talent in and oftentimes work with him but he wanted that town that came in to have ideas. Here's an idea how to shoot the angle to kick off her storyline. What do you think what would you do. What's worked for you in the past and When talents able to contribute in that respect a creative They have more confidence what they're doing because and they have ownership all nobody wants to to to create a shake a sinking ship right. Everybody wants to ride nice smooth here. We go and cowboy game that opportunity. Even though his reputation has a hard ass A perfectionist shame on may hours competitive. Vince lombardi which a lot of guys clue. Midst of bharti is But you know he was a hard ass football coach that had great success hall of fame and its cover the cost of lombardi trophy for for good reason as sir so you know what i'm saying i disagree that We got some sa- talent. I loved to watch see how the evolution distance coming about. It's and forgot. Look i. I don't know how many more years i got this and i don't know if you think about it in years anymore about my run. i've healthy. Thank god knock on wood again. And i i love it. But if if my work deteriorates to a level that. I can't handle my ego. Let me to be bad bad bad i gotta move on. I understand that. I understand how attrition worse so I want to have a lot of bedwell show at it and ofi. It'll be a while longer. 'cause i enjoy being around this group. The great thing about being sixty nine. That'd be seventy in january and I i i'm energized by being around these kids be honest with you. I draw their energy as well. And if they draw what they perceive to be my wisdom. If that's not an oxymoron to me. But i'm having a blast and i'm hoping that we can still be productive positive. It'd be a welcome sight are welcome. Listen yeah For a while while longer. That's my may take this olive ever done as an adult since nineteen. I got the cowboy. Got me in the business out of north state university of oklahoma in nineteen seventy four and every year sense in one to one level or the other. I've been a wrestling so kinda like it. I think you're pretty good at it. Jr in a lot of would agree with that as well. I mean if not just go back. Watch the ethan page. Darby allin interview. That was last week. The e sat down with them. That was fun. Talk about young stars and bringing in some of the other talent from the wwe. But there's still such a mix there of a w young talent. That's ready to go but super exciting times as you said for the company there are off like a rocket ship back with fans. I'm telling you fans are going to be rabid for a while now because we just been sitting on our hands waiting to get back out in those arenas and let our voices be heard so. It couldn't be more thrilled for all of wrestling. It's going to happen across the board. Wwe a e w impact and just a great time to be a wrestling fan. That's so we all want paul businesses general to be held. That's right The the trickle down is somebody's brand gets hot It is for all of us is the trickle down thing everybody gets shared some of that Newfound or renewed enthusiasm so I i'm a big believer. You know i. I want you know ring honor to do well. For example are impact. Yes i'm still after doing a couple of three years of new japan voiceovers on. I still enjoy watching new japan that they have some. You know they give you some great matches from time to time really great and some of my favorite stars there i. I wish we had okada. You know i love to say okada big for human van frei debut sunday. And who's to say that can't have. I don't know that that's going to happen. And somebody's gonna hit their their little websites. Jr says they'll do that. Just to get fucking clicks. Yeah excuse yeah. I saw so but point being is that you know we have. We have a good relationship with the office and And i think that somewhere down the road one would assign when travel issue issues are lessened Having an aide of you Presence and fan for big shows seems to me would be a likely moved seems to me and secondly if that's that's the case then reciprocally having some guys in new japan here you know partial okada's a friend of mine and i we. We love each other. We even his english in my japanese. Which is non-existent. We communicate pretty. Well so i. I enjoy those cats. And i think that Having some of their some of their talents on our show. You know we've done a nice job. I think kinda intermittently promoting a are the good brothers. he's going. I'm under the impression that they're going back to new japan but whether or not they're of a setting that we'll be able to utilize our skills. They're both good guys. Good hard-working fundamentally sound talents so At it's good for us. It's good for them. I go to place to work and tony kahn's openminded enough to say you guys need desert a good living and paul all the way you do this. These guys like travelers sails. The bigger their territory gives more opportunities are going to have to earn a commission or has a day so i'm excited about all that potential all those things and we get that because our boss is open minded enough to say. Let's try. this is all about our fans anyway. Right fans are happy. We should be happy it helps he such fan two of the business And has that open mind and to establish relationships but he is a fan. I've heard him before. Talk about war. Remember the match in one thousand nine hundred nine when these took on these two and this was an his brain is incredible for the detail of told me stuff i said and i started doing the math and i said wait a minute. You weren't even more well. He said i watched a. He's a big guy you know back in the day so he's dedicated. He's a fan. And i i. I really appreciate working for tony. And and a lot of good perks combined with that deal like jags ticket. Ego all right. Hey grill and jr continues momentarily. I got to tell you about a new partner. We have new sponsor. Paul fields f. a. l. s. is a cd oil folks. And this is the top of the line martin. It's a premium cbd and it clears your head. Which i need all the time. And of course. Conrad's way past that god western. It helps you feel your best. I love the hassle. Free membership for you. This does not take you. You don't need to fill out their membership. 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So listen we're going to tell you if you fire out the peacock You can easily find on the network if you're international you'll know how to navigate there but we're on season ten on peacock episode twenty eight. It is the july fifteenth two thousand and two episode of raw. It's the big one. Bischoff becomes the boss and so go ahead. Give yourself a chance to navigate their But we're going to go ahead and get started. Jr and i'm gonna count astound in three two one and when i say play. We'll hit play together. Does that sound good. Oh my straight now. I have Cisco intro andrew. Let's just start from the beginning during skip into that. We were all page So we'll do that. So here we go to conroe tell you. I'm very ignorant when it goes dragging list clicking here lou that whatever we'll keep it simple that's why i said he's yeah. Kiss kiss principle is good for me. Keep it simple stupid there you go. I'm a big fan of that. Tusa here we go. We're going to start it together. Jr in in three two one play and if our computers will participate and ipads will work with us. And i know we're going to be little. We're on different internet and things of that nature. But i'll trying to give a little bit of a time track for those films at home as to where we're at were at the opening graphic here for for the wwe raw and Now this is a huge show. Jr we it opens up there. Paul heyman and undertaker are are in the back they're discussing the main event which For this show is going to be undertaker and brock taking on rick flair and rob van dam This is going to be the go home. Show for the vengeance pay per view. That's coming up but Again big news for this evening is the whole eric. Bischoff story line and I just got to chat with him. A little bit The other day and last week was a huge week that nwa twenty five year anniversary Was going on. It was all throughout the headlines. Notice his red hair. He does seem to combat asks. Yeah he's he's where i try to nickname burger read. That's right gerrad was The nickname for tommy notice arguing the greatest Defensive player in texas football history linebacker forever with the cowboys. Are the falcons. Excuse me so. He had red hair. Nineteen snack is a man's man so assisted here this smart calloway and he's got that undisputed total belt which i was a fan of. I'm a little bit of a belt. Nerd so i was a fan of that bell. Appreciate that style. The undisputed championship. And he's back here with paul heyman who still hanging onto the pony tail and they're discussing the upcoming The upcoming big-time main event. Here later today. Yeah it's Hayman's everlasting. He is still doing great work. He's arguably the best talker and all pro wrestling. And i don't know it's hard to say the mount rushmore. Is this that the other. What are you basically get criteria. You're talking about but heyman is still contributing. A big way. Heyman has repack is roman reigns to amazing levels quite frankly. So he has his chat there with a taker. And we're in the show what i got anyway. Yeah you're good your little show open all. I'm gonna play a little of this music. I love the central. Jr bad ass times to our roster egocentrically tower roster loaded still had the ed still had the edge to it the show did the violence and everything else off such a good time to be a wrestling crowd renaissance signs the crowd as a talent and announcer sitting in the midst of everybody rock. You can't help but get pumped up. Yeah and continental airlines big big venue is. It's a packed. I assure the show sold out. I don't see any nbc's anywhere now. It does you're right. it takes place. In the meadowlands air. Continental arena do remember anything in terms of the meadowlands. The crowd the arena. Anything come back to you when you think about that. Well you know for me. Cover strange I liked that venue. Because i could drive to work I lived in. I worked in the office. are near the office An office at Stanford as the edt attala relations. So for me not to get on an airplane south soccer small thing if you know only fly fifty two weeks a year. Do you get a chance to take a car trip. Not a bad deal so we're starting it off here with the renowned chairman. Wwe yeah. we're one week removed from kevin nash. Injury happening sean. Waldman's been sent home. And we're here with vince. Mcmahon coming down to the n. w. o. music no less in the list of failures for the wwe. How high does the nwa rank. They're they're try with them. Well you know. The the the greatest from obviously with eric their wcw. Yes sir is hard to repackage. Put the genie back in bottle. Quite honestly so But they contributed a great deal. It's just wasn't quite the same and a remake Is never as good as a rule as as the originals so but they still do great. It's just it was hard to do things new with them because they had done everything. So we had to kind of rehash stuff so I thought that the conservative. Very well to what. We're doing This here's the deal. I don't think miss probably watched ten consecutive minutes. The of yo when they were. W w he wasn't a mark for their work. You know all those guys have been with us prior to going into atlanta. So am mrs got his interview story on did he. Did he ever have a conversation with you. That you remember that stands out jr and now. You're very close working with him at this point regarding while the brainchild of the nwa. Our what's eric doing with that group. And can you believe hogan turned heel anything around at the time that you remember having a conversation with vince about well. He was impressed with the ratings. Here's he was impressed. More with data than the creative process He's seen events like me a lot of ways as far as being around a longtime seeing everything so he's issue here in the beginning kind of set the stage and then this is a very good from this. I always said it. And i believe it to display day that You know we had a lot of great talents. Remiss earlier on the On a roster. We were very blessed. A lot of the guys that we signed or came through But he's You know is just a unique cat and and He was trying to figure out. We're trying to figure out. How do we make the end of you feel new again. That's hard. that's hard to do. So i know i I think he respected with it accomplished. I know that personally he likes. He's always pretty close to kevin nash. Good rapport And of course he created kogo by large. I know he will disagree with that. Well hogan that run the continental wrestling album. That's cool a lesson mania man. Oh go back to wrestlemanias early wrestlemanias. And he was the guy pulled the wagon so and that was leadership you know this thought dart against the wall hobie fact that he had a vision for hogan and how to create a new hero in missing so these guys has interviewed. Here he is. He's talking about all the various areas that have come and gone. And he discusses he says buddy rogers bruno sammartino. He's talking through hogan scene and all of them and he's This is all setting the stage as you said he's talking about the five hundred addition of all that's approaching and there are things need to be shaken up again. We gotta kinda start over again with the creative is essentially what he's saying and he's going gonna bring in some new general manager setting the stage for what's about to go down by the way the rumor and innuendo at the time was that During vince russo's one week and creative. He suggested an idea similar. This is that how you remember it. No no okay. Half of the paula. I'm not saying it didn't have a recall. It being real short return there in two thousand. Till i remember that it was in and out and i'm not sure exactly what the all the politics behind that were are work. Sure and they're against. Thank the bottle. Analogy is hard to recreate your magic once. You've you've done it and you and you take leave for whatever race so at this point jim and we've had some questions that have come in as well and i'm gonna ask those as we go through the show. Were you aware already before this show started about bischoff and the plan for him to come in ecorse okay. So how far process erica's just another talib. Not explicitly so any talent coming on the roster. I was involved in. Because i was that was that was my territory so to speak Sometimes i didn't know all the creative plans and machinations that were planned for these talents. But somebody's got to negotiate a contract. Some gotta get him signed up even though you can agree in principle sometimes agreeing to the to. The mathematics of the deal can be a little bit challenge. But absolutely i was. I was ready. What was your We had Someone in a wrestling historian one of our friends. He's a big time supporter ad free shows and he said what was your initial reaction. Jr to eric bischoff in the idea bringing him and him being a part of joining the wwe. I thought it was a very bold and and not say iffy. That's not a good term out of saw. It was a very bold move. Because you know for for whatever reason and i don't not in her agreed with this Eric was You know not liked by a lot of guys are caused past you know. Wcw business so forth. So there's a good shot of our parvo roster loaded roster those eddie and the bid wall standing next to each other you have guys from mean you got flare. Then you had the e c w with rob van dam and dreamer then ben wa guerrero just as it scans. There's just so many hall of fame type performers there at the time. I a big emphasis guys that could work and not their high. They may sound flippant and ridiculous. There's something to be said for this statement. You know. I had to sell believe it or not. I had to sell the to get the radicals higher not unlock. I had to it. It'll get mick foley mick toller. He's six four but he'd already had a couple try us. W w he did not work out well and the is some of the decision makers at that time but I i couldn't figure out how. I could just find my job and representing events in the company as i try to do all those years so talent and not hire a jericho or been law or guerrero. Are you kidding. I mean they're performance. Yes i remember in your latest book. Talk about how you had to sell jericho and what that process was like with events. But we just had terry by the way. My goodness i was a terry fan. She's interviewing flare here in the back. I don't think she would have been one of jim barnet's favorites but man. She was one of mine of knock down. He lacked key barley conrad's cheeks. He would have. Oh yeah there's miles and miles of Terry was very underrated. In my view she was trained broadcaster but she was a good communicator and she used those communication skills and her womanly ways. Or whatever that means. to to contribute and i thought it'd be there's an error there. She was an all Contributing the shoes shows are versatility. It's just the flair there. Little face looks freshness at the end of things to do like that. All she was a natural and Here's another kid. That's the natural strange enigma. A man who reminds me so much of young darby. Al jeff hardy jeff hardy making his way out to the ring real quick on the the flair deal before we move on so he was back there with her and they're talking about. Who could the gm be. I have to ask Did anyone give flair the heads up about bischoff being there. You know i don't know specifically would surprise me but the either way quite frankly but i'm not aware that Of a specific with real. Not i in a recent. He's got he was like easier longer in the tooth and he was there and he had a good job is making great money and so there was so i. I don't know jonathan coachman and one of my favorite talents of all time William regal this guy is so frigging talented. He is oh hotel. You you don't realize how great for former Regal is he's been instrumental in securing jobs for really good talent there. An annex t. So he's he's he's great. He's one of those guys that i didn't appreciate as much at the time is just being a casual fan as now when you go back and watch you see that. His fingerprints on the business and how he worked. And i have a much greater appreciation now than i did. Probably at the time watching him highly skilled very intelligent. He's arrest pro wrestling alive for that too is to to cool really cool And spikes i'm an orphan margaret. Pay for your long been one and this is the first match kicking off here. It is chris. Ben eddie guerrero and william regal and They're taking on the dudley's jeff hardy here in an elimination match. This is a story of a classic baby face hardees. You have jeff hardy The dudley's i'm sorry in jeff hardy and Man regal ben juan eddie. They may be one of the best. Pure wrestling trio teams ever. My goodness yeah and regal facial expression was just money little subtle like that he had Acquired and refined lot of talents could learn a lot from him. Every you can learn a lot from guys so pal come out look at. How eighty streit's does this thing and been walls more serious. That's the way it wasn't real life been well. It's no different right here right now that he was backstage catering or somewhere. It was all business here. Go the oh fast start. Jr for those that are in. This is for those that are really following us in wanting to keep up. I'm at fifteen twenty twenty one. Twenty two jared. Don't worry if you're somewhere else will just keep it rolling here but bubba given the you'll a bubba bomb to eddie guerrero. Let's talk about a little other wrestling news if you will. That's going on why we watch the smash together. Tna is on its fourth week in had tna on the radar whatsoever for any of you in the wwe at this point as it's been in existence now for about a month well that sounded total third. You're not really okay. Here's the thing about that. People get they look at that they'll say well. Jr he was shooting on. He was dissing. Here comes the sound bite of the week. We just we had all we could say. Take care of business. You know i had a roster to manage i. I didn't have time to go watch wrestling. I tried to watch as much as i could. Seasonable the sometimes. You just gotta steph way but your battery charge. But no i don't it wasn't a big thing is really wasn't a big deal so i i'm not knocking on. Did not at all. How many hours are there the day you know. I think we just sit around and watch wrestling. I i had administrative job to take care of. Thomas had contractual issues You know our -partment men is the wellness program. There's always adventure that so You know bubbas good. He'll and they're working with the been wa. Bubbas does a good job in my opinion more often than not with his comments of busted open with dave libra there on the sirius. Xm i big Proponent of that show. I like it because it takes It's a it just gives us another perspective. Which i thanks. Good different point of view. Sometimes don't always agree that's irrelevant. It's good because i think with them. They're they're not really associated with any of the company. So they're gonna they're gonna give it. You know the the full-scale review whether it's good bad and the ugly on for all the companies and i kind of like having that independent voice of someone who's actually been in the business me to any legal mark. henry. Air tommy dreamer. Yeah those guys are lifers. They loved the business march with the aid of you now. We're all happy to have him. That's what i was gonna ask as you said his name. You know him now as he is he kind of part of the backstage every week and and he's there because every week it he's surely stays busy Having untalented senators learning tree. He cut reminds me a little bit. Not because they're both african american Of ernie ladd and his wisdom experiences sharing mentor and marley. Good at that. And that's you know big show big show down in miami at links are dressing facility sorta snug and He's he's working hard on his weight and getting back and better shea So it he didn't say to me. But i'm assuming that somewhere down the road we'll see big show back in the rain. I don't think it's going to be every week know. We don't use anybody every week. Really right but i think but i do think he'll be. He'll be back in the rain at some point in time and he'll be rejuvenated he'll be renewed. 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Relatively well physically is an and we're happy for that no doubt or these guys are all the little nuances fantasy here. August us long all the little things. That guys like guerrero have been while do jeff hardy selling as for jeff hardest. Magic is just selling anybody's magic. It's you know. That's the part of the big magic for shawn michaels to in ring. Pry but his selling was incredible. So jeff encapsulates a lot of that too. And and i love your comparison to Darby allin i definitely see. Dr is one of my favorites. He's one of my favorites atop to very creative comes up the lavas on the material shall we say and He's one of our homegrown. Gosh we take pride. Ennio him. Jungle boy jack. Perry for example Just to like you mentioned ethan page. Don't nobody should sleep ethan page. He's he's going to be a big time flair and as soon as he's already a big time player got the charisma. He drew that big house. Impact wrestling okay. Take it easy He's in a different arena right now. And he's doing really really well. Yeah yeah and i. I i've we haven't he looks great. He's got a good attitude smart kid so he's going to contribute. I stay as injuries. He's gonna contribute they way for a long time to come. Aggressive eddie is. I don't know where you are saying. That he's just eddie doesn't know he's under five eight. He's he's a both all he came in. I saw him drop kick. Jeff hardy the head leave the ring. I'm at twenty one forty Spike dudley by the way for those watching along has already been eliminated from this match. Showdown the jeff and bubba on one side and you still have all three in and regal and eddie guerrero and chris. Benoit's here's earl hefner. He's not afraid to mix it up. Here with eddie guerrero man earl still getting it done in the ring at this point. That was some fun for me as a fan sometimes and get a little little handsy with some of the wrestlers back in the day. yeah the boys too much more respectful than they are now. The referee i think it all companies not one specifically i think all companies they. The older guys got broken. The business understanding it was taught that these guys are really important to the success of their match and how you interact with them and not bury them and and denigrate their the bureau off your go to be. Well we just had another elimination here Before we go into break and that was steven regal was taken out by the swan bomb by jeff. Hardy sue were down to aside really belt treatment above caught with his hand. The spaghetti jar mine was usually in the cookie jar but he. He's a very strong right. So i'll ask another question. Is this match continues on I'd like to make sure we get as much fan questions in jersey questions as we can do. Stevenson writes in and again a lot of the topic. Here is around Bischoff coming in and he says the open dislike of bischoff by some of the x. Wcw talent backstage. Was there ever a risk of a few personal receipts. Being handed out this way out his way by the more disgruntled guys. He let down in years prior were was there any concern for that. I think that the only person. I can remember paul for all these years. You're talking two thousand two here. Last i live. That was twenty years ago. I can't remember every nuance come on. I think the only sold back i think. The only person at an outward The sleigh of unhappiness or slayer. Okay and you know law someone's Take longer to heal than others. Yeah but we all still comes back to the bottom line of chop. This is your job. And i think too much made over. Look bischoff to me off the air. Wcw and the best thing that ever happened to me at that time was coming to work for this. I'm a. I'm a great money. I was over a quarter of a century. And so you know. We laugh about So the situation situations air great france. We weren't always. But i got over it and my ego got back to some degree. Jeff hardy is getting the great. Push the great rub. Yeah guerrero guerrero here has been eliminated him. Hefner again pushing match up the ramp way Man but you're right you know. Time has a tendency in the old phrases heels all but also people mature get older. They're different places in their life. And i always find when i'm listening to these shows. It's great to hear of you rocky. Relationships that happen occur differences. It's business but then we're friends now. We've gotten past that. I love to hear that. I choose not live my life that way i would expression of it at at my stage of life all. I don't have any room mex- carry-on or more negativities and you know love that we just don't have time for it. I don't have the room for it so now you got to the best ever in chess and ben wall is down these two right. It's those two and then there's the bell jeff. Hardy gives out to the to the cross face now. We're just trying to get him to break up the hold there but yes the matches over and eddie guerrero makes his way back down to the ring and he's yanking a table out here. I'm not sure what's about to go down but doesn't look like things are over dancer. Love this match to you notice. I was exact noticing the exact same thing. People are jumping around not just standing the signs. You were talking about the signs earlier. Jr and i thought man you talk about focus groups and things of that nature. What better way to get a pulse of what's getting over with your audience. What they're into what they're digging by. Sometimes just reading. The signs in the crowd agree is. This is a basic form of market research. Yeah they're not filling out a questionnaire leaving at the checkout counter like the. I like the signs. This tell you various stories it does and it adds to the it adds to the whole ambience. The excitement the rock concert feel if you will that you talked about as we kicked off the show now coming up here. It's not on yet. But i'm gonna play at jonathan coachman is gonna come back and he's to mention someone in his interview that i think is very interesting and i'm going to have a question for you about that. But here's the the repay replay that we're getting here again. How the match ands earl chasing eddie. Up the ramp way steven regal comes in again interferes. And then. Chris would chris benoit's would put them in the cross face and that's how the match would wrap up very entertaining match. I mean all guys hall of fame caliber talent here. We are with john. Jonathan coachman here. We go outside office right now hoping to get further word on who the new general manager may be now. There's been rumors circulating around backstage. All i don who might be rumored names like mick foley who doesn't live very far from this very arena would make a great general manager from mick foley to a lot of people don't realize the missing man has a brother who lives in texas. His name is rob mcmahon. He's even been mentioned. What are you doing so there we go and goes in but have you had you ever. That was the first time people had ever heard the name of rod mcmahon on tv. Well this is reality based stuff. S kind of the direction. I wanted to travel in The costume could look it up. So yeah they the who knew that right. And so that was that was brought up. Had you ever met rod at this point. Yeah yeah made him Several trips to houston And he'd come come by say hello to everybody. I don't think he saw each other a lot because of their schedules and the geography. There's kasama is yeah. I was gonna ask you if you knew who that was. She just ran in the backstage interrupt. Vince in paul. Heyman saying here. She's a producer there for a long time again. Not someone we've seen often on tv. Et not that. I recall it all anyway she. She's she's two scenes here there and yon. She's been there okay very very talented. Young woman data. She runs in here to interrupt Heyman and vincent says the. Gm has arrived. Would you like to see him. And we're gonna play. There's someone about them make their way in after this commercial break gotta love the commercial breaks. We're coming back. Let's play this a little bit here. We go jim well. Please invite the new general manager in my office. What the hell are you doing. Not minute general mac. You knew general manager. I'm here to prevent you from making the single biggest mistake in the history of our family's business this all the way back to your father and to your grandpa wait a minute spare me okay. You my son. You tried to put me out of business all of a sudden you have. This family concerns though at least it was family and unite battling for control this company. At least you know who you were dealing with your new choice for general manager and oh yes i do know who it is. This guy is nothing more than a parasite. He is a parasite and the first chance of this guy gets. He's gonna screw you this company and our family over roiling. Well let me just say that. I appreciate your concern. I'm not gonna change. My mind is my decision to make it. Is your decision one that affects you and everybody else there. We go shane's return to tv for the first time since survivor series. Two thousand one and what shane's role while being taken off tv after the failed invasion. Do you know what he was working on. International projects. As i recall okay. Here's kind of ubiquitous. His little everywhere you know. He's looking for other projects as well. You know one time. I think there was talk about nine. The of world trotters. There is time that there was time when we discuss vying the pbr. The pro bowl writers association And a lot of that was Was a shame idea. Yeah interesting why do you think Shane so beloved by the fan base because he really is is. Do you think it's just the excitement. He brings when he's in the ring and his daredevil or it just seems like. He's embraced by by the fans. Enthusiasm specs. 'cause it's real. He's not manufacturing a false You know care what he's is he. He really enjoys what he's doing. I think he i don't know what his what he's all doing right now. The big a character on tv. Time actually honest. I don't i don't watch their shows off against one might assume and i saw being era ghent are i just. There's only so much product that anybody could get sound. Obviously so tell me dreamers. You're lost a lot of weight there. Did i tell you what he looks good. We moved back stage. It opened up with dreamer and robin dam. And it's funny. They when they were talking they. They said they were happy. The new gm is in. Paul heyman is that a shooter work. That's so funny. probably shoot. Yeah that was good stuff and then we had stevie richards. Make his way and gold. Dust will interrupt them and they laugh at him a little bit gold. And then steve is gonna hit. Tommy dreamer here with a singapore cane. And it's it's tough watching some of this stuff because you know when the next match by the way is tommy dreamer and stevie richards in a cane match singapore cane match. It's tough watching some of these knowing injuries and concussions that That ended up as a result. Some of this stuff yeah. They're still trying to live on that. Unique e c dub ya of bossy adventurer I that's how i look at. I proud of their brand where they come from. I i understand that. And i can't. I do appreciate it but it seems to me like we talked about mid south the farther you get away from it actually goes in business. The bitter it gets so i think the same thing about e c dub thinking about that with those guys they asked to. They still have to take into consideration. Sometimes they weren't paid on by the way best still They were loyal to their brand. Heyman was lucky that he car guys like tommy dreamer others that were lifer sisters their way that they don't even made their living where they live their dreams pun intended tommy so So this should be This this is interesting. Let me up deal This is a this is a physical one man. We're going to get some color in this match and And it's going to be they're gonna take a beating both of them with the with the canes here and that's the way they liked it. Yeah tommy legit. He wanted more off. Sure you got to E c dub Aloneness so they're going to reverse antonio school as best. They can beating the crap out of each other. Stevie richards had gotten himself into phenomenal shape. Here i mean he looked good. What are your thoughts. On on steve's working with him and town rations way under always great joy to work with professional re he always said Paul my biggest trade. I need from the wrestler. If i want sign them are the biggest things i looked at. Check us about a out. As far as their background was Are you reliable. Reliability is the number one thing is. I got to be able to to defend to depend on you. And the talents to has got got is juice. Busted wide open not actions outside of the ring here. Suplex onto the ramp way and Man just a brutal physical style match year. Richards was a studios good. He's smart guy. Smart guys got a high intellect. I q i would. I would suggest And i always enjoyed work with him. I liked him. Jr dc w. i was e w. fan being about an hour and a half outside of philly philadelphia between Between philadelphia and baltimore so is definitely available if you will to watch and You know he did the bwf but then he comes here and he did. He took his his body to another level. 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That bischoff was here and some of your top. Wcw talent was either there or on their way in nothing serious. The ship sailed and we blew it on the first go around. You know we didn't have access to all guys. Pardon me And you know when you don't have the stars so i make it a john. Wayne movie the remake john wayne. There's still some there now. You're right i mean. The timing just never seemed to sync up the way that it wouldn't have needed to for toyota. Yeah i wish you would have the transition there when we bought the wcw and and interface the guys together things that nature. I feel bad about that. And i gotta take some responsibility. We didn't do a good job of The transition there's dreamer going for the cover but to no avail my i of this thing lead morning while ago. Can you believe all the blood on raw have been that long time. That's what i i thought about man. Oh i forgot these days. I don't know where again. Richard catch us. dreamer with a super superkick as leaping off the rope. Sean michael sake and the top kicked out. I don't other than other guys. Spanish should never be a spot and m l s number five zero eight four. Equal housing lender wou with the real estate market. Being so hot you have more equity than ever before us that equity to consolidate all of your credit card debt and get the cash. You need to turn your house into your dream home at save with conrad dot com jr. Let me know when you get to the pen. Because saw. What a brutal. Cain shot to the head of richards and tommy dreamer would pick up. the victory. here is coming off the second rope. There's the superkick you just mentioned. And again the kickout right and longtime we saw michaels when so many matt championships with that but that shot with the cane it busted it completely and my goodness what a brutal match You know there's something else in my view rather than the super kick which You know so what do you say. steve is not very good at it. Because it looked like shawn michaels super kick to me. Yeah but he couldn't be anywhere so little things. Yeah so we're backstage now and you have a line in this interview. Jr that you comment. That absolutely killed me here. We're gonna play a little bit of this. Which shawn michaels came back. He put one dog right on my grill. If w they just stood celebrated boot you up one month later in w dead and buried style baby. You know what i feel. I feel like celebrate. You feel celebrate with be dolled skipping what you give me. One told you rules booker you know. I don't think this is the time or the or the dull rock is the only one who could mess with announced around there right. Flash rock is on another program. So let's make with the spending. Jack like got to see this day are goes. Getting into coaches founders. Grew you said looks like me falling off the porch that god so funny. Oh my goodness and and now lives out brand. That's listen here we go. Here's one more interruption. Here fact of the matter this show up at the come to pull out on your poke while you don't put your hands on the five-time five five thousand five time champion. Maquette you dig food there. It is his appearance. Hell freezes over bischoff walks into the screen during the promo and is this just done to keep people hooked from through the commercial break because we haven't even seen him yet. The announcement has been made. 'cause tease tease tease. At some point. You gotta give them a little bit more than just a tease. And i think that's what that was so because you know the question i ask going to break is at the new general manager because i didn't know in character job. He had burton a fan question and he said. Do you think showing eric backstage beforehand ruined the initial reaction now did ruin the and shows looking at it may have ruined it which is which is cool. Yeah and he also asked what was do you remember anything about the arena atmosphere during the commercial between that clip and then vince actually introducing him. No buzzing a. There's a buzz in there. People were talking amongst themselves as we say here we go. Let's let's play a little bit of this real quick okay. Gr big interest as good. Yeah his name is absolutely viewers are the same another time. Clopping aren't divorced. Five years of a business to where. Eric bischoff bombs by god looky battle. So we'll pick this up once he gets into the ring but your lawn they're probably picking each other's pockets nother great one liner love. It had good writers. Oh come on kidding. Yeah right just throw it out there and hopefully it. Sticks was seemed to work okay. It was good stuff. i mean. That's the that's the reaction. We wanted to hear that we want to hear from you. During this eric was able to pull off a disingenuous frick as good as ever everybody. Anybody has ever done it. Throw for arrest and the thing about is it was so You know so so simple that it you know if people got it. They knew he was working so to speak. So here goes. I'm gonna share a little bit of the back story here right. From the observer meltzer would say bischoff appeared on raw after he and mcmahon had struck a deal about ten days earlier. The two sides had talked last summer during the original invasion angle at that time. Wwe only wanted bischoff for a one month program in july. Just for a singles match with mcmahon at the invasion pay per view which by the way mcmahon would win. No big surprise. There bischoff turned down the deal since it wasn't good enough to build his character but just an ego driven blow off and also because bischoff wasn't in good enough shape to do a match that quickly there had been informal talks bishop was among the many candidates brought up when mcmahon told those close to him about his idea of feuding general managers according to friends of bischoff while they had a deal bischoff himself didn't get the call to appear on the show until the weekend since mcmahon wanted it to be a secret and virtually nobody was aware of the presence of bischoff until shortly before he appeared for his interview. Bischoff appeared shocked. Not only it. Shocked not only viewers but all but a few w w wrestlers and employees when his face showed up a walking on the screen during a booker t. interview with jonathan coachman minutes before his interviewer mcmahon introduced him and the two hugged on the ramp. Just incredible it said has been discussed and speculated that the hug could have cost the company millions and millions of dollars and that a feud between air convinced could have drawn a ton of money. What say you. Jr was their money. Flushed down the toilet with debut eric. This way it was. I believe all it was a one off opportunity. You know i. I don't wanna see a series of matches in all due respect to vinson eric. I didn't need to see a series of matches between to untrained pro wrestlers. They were. They weren't even an pro wrestler category and this is say that respect with their administrators were creators content but won't off. Yeah a one off. Bill correctly. When i'm to what i would add to to a a significant Pay for view. No doubt about that but to see it more than once. We're getting into dangerous waters. I think i'm gonna play a little bit of this. He's kind of going on about his accolades. So let's listen to a little bit of this historical kind of context. You're on raw. Because i was innovative. Cutting edge remember remember back when raw was every other week a nicer always live and i decided to go on here two minutes before i gave away everything that happened on raw. So you people didn't have to watch. That was innovative. Expos that was ruthless. But it works and a london blades. Remember her business. Women's world champion. I signed belted nitro. She'd really want to made because she works for me. And i had to go out on national television and throw it in the trash so listen. Jr this is crazy. He's literally going step by step through everything that he did as far as with. Wcw and he talks about eighty three weeks the observer and i have a question here for at the end of this the observer would write again that according to those in the company the heat backstage was huge particularly after this interview which feature nearly everything possible that is wrong with current wrestling while fans appeared board during the interview. Live wrestlers were anything but as bischoff talked about wanting to put. Wwf out of business. So now you a locker room filled with either wrestlers who had heat with him from the wcw days or those who've never worked with him because he had heat You know trying to put wwf guys out of business and if successful would have cost them money in their livelihoods your running talent relations. How much talent we're coming to you talking about issues with eric. Oh their wasn't an overwhelming mutiny. Or anything like that but some that had issues. They're basically deal with it you know. Of course i knew. Or you. Think i don't but it's pass through here. That executive office is just for show. Of course. I knew we had to get your signed. And and i'll say that best took the lead and all that vince at the at the time and made a decision he knew he wanted to do with eric. He knew what a heath procedure eric's value to be. And i think also somebody else's pissed off about that maybe aren't anderson. I can't remember but a lot of guys are complaining. That you know can't really of course i didn't go to this. Say thank now. They came to my fat ass the buffer by the way. I can't believe you guys you guys what you say what you mean what you say that she don't believe events this decision to do this and if you don't believe it strongly enough why don't you go talk to it. 'cause i promise you if you if you confront the old man about this higher You're going to shorten your tenure. If you wanna go communicate about it or have come up with some ideas the might make it work. Better more power to you. But he's not going to change Higher of this significance for somebody that he believes to be easily hated us. And you already don't like it costs us. Nothing happened excellent years ago. And i said the audience doesn't have that same percentage for section that you have they have walked in your shoes so they can't relate to your angst but of course wasn't confront the old man. They're not it's because he made the decision so it step up and challenge him and if you're challenge are you ready for the response because it's coming. This was the coach the head coach and the office coordinator so he told you to run and play right and he. He didn't suggests that you audible is in the huddle and change it. That would be healthy So but look. I'll tell you this now. This is my second. And i might be wrong. I think the same blue over real quick. I think he understood. Finally eric's role i said. Look he's lock heyman in in real life is easy to dislike. He's really good at being hated of being a builder. And so let it roll. Bending makes us some money the ratings get increase. Whatever so and convinces just coming off. You got the attitude era. He's prominently on the shows all the time and i'm sure he's looking for a way to step back but he needs a heat magnet from a leadership perspective and it seems like it makes total sense from that know from that standpoint the thing about this Interview it. no no one got to over. I was a long one. Eric's talker but you know we do need to hear the gettysburg address in links So true that was. That was the only key that'd be the only critique i would have i i thought he did a nice job of getting it done and say slips freshness or good body english spot on and then it gets a shot backstage You know there there. S a hand gestures. These deals and i love a if you don't have the video go to add free shows dot com. It's just as entertaining if not more than audio. But he enjoyed about it was they. Just let them say whatever it felt like he was just given free creative choice to say whatever he wanted because he did it his way. Yeah but he had he had he had a roadmap direction. And i'm not sure who the writers were but somebody was not saying they're telling word for word what to say at all. I say they knew what was in business. Head and the direction that This one travel. And that's not a bad thing so Anyway there's a back on the air with the jbl gb l. He sees bishops over here sucking up to undertaker. I'm here for you wherever you need takers looking at them like who the hell are you pal. Jbl looks like he literally just wants to punch him in the face. Like that's a shoot. But now roy quick cap that off before we get into this next match. Because this i'm excited. I love trish stratus coming down. The aisle the bischoff segment gets a four point. Three five rating adding one point one million viewers from the previous segment. One point one million but right away after he's done half a million of those tune out so the build up was great but peachable turning off the show is that assigned. You think they were disappointed or is it just. They just wanted to see what was going to happen. I think they're curious. Yeah they got their answer and again the the interviews little little bit long short attention span. You don't have a short attention chris. stratus wu. You ain't kidding pal. One of my One of my top I my bucket list. I wanna meet her one day Trish stratus she's a very much a talented all all the way around wrestling talk looks. She's got the total package. She all she I remember meeting with her. My office stanford when we. I signed her sunny she. She can't salvage keffer. Little document kept the ten she signed. She is signing and it really heart warming a big dream of hers notwithstanding the fact that she was hot as hell. Yeah see hockey player. Good athlete she worked very diligently to get good and korea her worrying about black women like molly holly Help the situation because molly could work about twice as good as trish at that time Maybe overstatement but molly was dead. She was the rudder in the water. The law these women. The the the great ones the tans miss wanted me to hire tricia ten or eleven. She had a great work ethic and the really wanted to get better worked hard at doing it. I mean she even discern saw the lockup here the lakha called elbow tie for these two women was spot on mentally sound as hell and she and you said it is a few things here first of all her work ethic. That's what she's kind of known for because she came in very green but by the time her run was was over. I mean she just russia charlotte a few years ago on summer slam. She is a superstar. when it comes to women's wrestlers and what she did to help evolve women's wrestling but you talk about molly holly here. Wwe hall of famer. Finally getting in well-deserved lever She was such a valuable addition to the Women's locker room and the women's division. It's hard to. It's hard to equate. Have great she was not much. She helped her everybody. But that's her she has a molly has a nora real name. Oh what is the right one. So that's a change she She just was a sweetheart. Be around hughes willing to be patient and healthy green her ladies Pull off a representative match and to give them time to catch up And get to where they need to be so Tristesse our athletic as well. see there she just. She wasn't a great hunter. So she's forms law. Yeah biggest mistake. Restaurants can make is doing things that they don't execute well and quite frankly sometimes that's budgie. It just doesn't look good. This must be before the time of when they would change out the ring mat Between matches you're still seeing some Some blood left from that dreamer match. They're just noticed as i'm watching here now. Used to go in a live events and see the the the matt changed out almost between every segment. Yeah it's a different different life than and different world. We live in continues to see. See the evolvement of where we are with wrestling referee. Here is that jack. Jack dole us who. I finally called hatchet head at should add on that one. He looks like a giant and are these women. he's five nine. Oh under sixty molly there with the feet on the ropes to get the pin little chicanery and the title is handed tamale holly the women's champion that matched one about three minutes. It's hard to come back from From a segment like the one. We just had with eric bischoff. Do you feel like it was kind of a a booking down type segment It's a visceral call. let me up segment. it's hard to follow thing as as We we are trying to do here. And molly cheats. She's the he'll she's the champ and she changed but she allowed trysts have funniest shine before the Took it to the house and all of us been good. But let's do something. Let's leave it in the past where it belongs. Wwe man this is a whole new shirt for both of us. Think about china. I bet you were surprised as hell when you found out that i was going to be the new general manager for raw. The is the word i was thinking. If you don't mind. I got a big match. Wow jr sorry that was flair and bischoff coming face to face and if you look at there's no hiding flares facial in that segment. This is just uncomfortable a little bit. Yeah oh yeah it was well. It was on reality. Yeah that was real real heat there but man they got it right out of the. They kicked it off a make. Sure those two were together right out the gate yeah oil. It was a lot of star power a lot of star power and and flare had in his mind legitimate issues and so all. We're going to try to capitalize on the realism of the reality based elephants of that That rivalry i bischoff. Did a lot of good things resi I had a match with which was horrible. I felt bad for him on that deal. I didn't do. I didn't do his. Gimmick irs character favors but he did break a concrete block over my head so that was always fun. That's entertainment made my blade. It's just. I got into a world that i was not accustomed traveling or residing and I dunno can't remember that. Was i wanna say columbus ohio. We don't buy be raw So of eric was Good to work with him and he did this karate stuff you know what i got skills some oklahoma tusla maybe back in the day. Were you ever in a fight ever grown up. Jr anybody challenge you of course. Yeah yeah you hung in there right you gave him. The law tried you know. I didn't i. Didn't i didn't run fights you'll knuckle sandwich tastes. My dad would have found out about that. He would really wish your ass taken to the woodshed. Sir i love it. Well i tell you what their man it was it as a fan and then again. This is the fan perspective. I love hearing you on commentary but that was the type of stuff it was like. Wow this is keeping us on our toes jars gonna russell here can't wait to see how that's gonna work out at. The sad part about that paul. Is that a good rating. Goddamn minute by minute kill me. I'm thinking i'll go on there. And i'll be like a cow on ice and it'll be horrible largely. It was a route from a mechanical standpoint But man the The minute by minute always up. So i if you're if far as this is concerned the writers and so forth they. They found something that worked. People will stay tuned to say. Jr get his ass. How that's right. We'll jr to keep everybody up with were added as booker t. and The big show In a no deke match actually. This goes to a excuse me. This is the build up to their big pay per view match. While we're into this match here a few things of note They did share with us on this raw. That ramos stereo. Junior is coming to smackdown so that was some big news and with the shifts in gm that would ultimately mean. That's stephanie would be the new gm for smackdown. What did you think about that. Decision great performer. She's like the old man easy to to dislike her character. And that's an art form so Was it too much mcmahon. Too many you know i know locks on their nose too much if you understand the concepts and principles of the role. This is this a verbally enhanced. Antagonised role thought she She did real well. It quite frankly. I always thought that during the attitude era said this. Numerous times the greatest. He'll we had near the attitude. Air was the old man because he had stove coal and stoke. Oh was the man period in a story and it will. What about rob j. knocking the rock. I've got click assisted in my headline. Jr knocks rock. I thought they were friends. I love it easy. What does your school start again. Yano you what are. You're going to eighth grade. So but she. She's a stephanie. As a talent is more akin to her dad then. I thought shane was shane. And i both are. I've noticed that their kids so but she was She was more of the chip off the old block. Then what shane. And that's not knocking. change different personalities. Shane had more of a small personality. And and And stephanie was was more like her dad so so what and from a male perspective she was much. Easier on the eyes than the dads. So like you know. This era stephanie. Could lord i was a family. And i'm she's right around my age Let's let's it is what it is so. I was always excited to see stephanie. And especially the way. She handled herself there during this timeframe. And you're right. She was like the female version of events without a doubt. And and that's that's positive. That's a positive huge positive. I miss her on tv. I like when she comes back now. I know she's kinda into this more corporate role and they don't do the gm thing as much. But i would love for them to be able to find a way to have stephanie get more involved. Somehow i really like her as a character so good good should as she does good work. O'dowd this time here. She did good work to. She took her role very seriously. And they're playing steel chair big show in a book so Real quick here that There's a a note that i have about more a little bit about. Tnn kind of have an idea of what your answers already going to be. But there was talk. A buzz if you will l. that jeff jarrett had been discussion with bischoff around this time about bring you know possibility of tna finding a tv deal ambitious off being involved in helping him. Do you think that type of talked push for vince. To bring him in or that was completely off. Vince is radar. He didn't care totally irrelevant. Exactly totally irrelevant. And i'm not saying it's not true about Chest for bagging opportunity for erica. And the tna but bottom line is I think that. I think that it had little to do with it too. Paul this what he wanted. He had a role in his mind. Eric to portray. Eric did really good The antagonise gm. Yeah big shoes to fill falling basically events Coziness was the most notorious and and Success ole of authority figure ever and so he knew bischoff had big shoes to fill. But it's certainly something that That our big show that Vish off heads. Big shoes to fill. Retro mania. wrestling is inspired. By early nineties arcade wrestling action the roster includes both wrestling legends and stars from the day including hawk and animal the road warriors. Tommy dreamer the reigning. Nwa world champion. Nick aldis back hard on even the blue world order the story mode arcade mode singles masses. Tag team matches six-man tanks eight-man tags and even the retro rumble retro mania wrestling is available. Now for the nintendo switch. Ps four ps five. Xbox one xbox series x team and i are cade. There's even a retro mania themed i- arcade cabinets check them out at retro mania wrestling dot com and follow them on social media at retro soft studios. 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There's some huge news here in the observer And i want to get your thoughts on it sickly around the show. There was a pep talk before this raw at the meadowlands given by agent john. Laura nitis arne anderson. Dave finlay as well as triple h. It's no secret that even though the raw team is ahead in attendance that management believes the smackdown crew overall is doing a better job lauren. Ida's talked about the work ethic and motivation. Problems triple h gave a speech. And he probably wasn't the one giving and he said to many people think that they deserve more of a push because of tenure in the company and said too many people are sitting back waiting for someone else to give them a push. He said you make your break and force the push then. He really said something stupid again. This is all from the observer talking about how he got on top when management was trying to hold them down and punish him for the madison square garden curtain. Call and ninety six because he forced his break. He said some guys need to look at themselves were why they aren't being pushed saying some guys are lazy. Playing nintendo games cards backstage instead of watching matches and learning. He said because you have an occasional good match on tv or even a few good matches on tv that many nolaac locker room to work and don't even realize it he goes on to say listen. This is unbelievable. They guys have to work harder at the house shows because crowds are down so the people who are there will tell their friends. They missed a good show that makes sense he claimed had been part of the crew that rebuilt the company by working so hard. How shows and that it's needed again. The bottom line is that so many people have had their legs cut off and their heads hit on the glass ceiling. So many times they've got multiple concussions etc etc. I'm not going to continue to read. All of this. Who idea was to have this type of meeting. And why include triple h and sees an active part of the roster will. He was seeing stephanie. He had connections He was well thought of a lot of people. Quite frankly it was ill advised. Obviously he was trained in that area. That was not as metro thing. I'm sure he said things that And that that deal that he would never do again so I don't know if he went to vance said. Hey look boss. I wanna i wanna talk to to the roster or whatever then best probably blessed not knowing exactly what he was going to say so. I don't know that he had done Something like that before. I don't think it could be wrong. But at that point you could tell you know. He had s racist about the ladder. Corporately to be more involved administratively and all those things. He was willing to take ownership of more than just being arrested for so But you know they're they're facets or aspects of his presentation that he probably today after having experienced probably rethink so. I don't know it's just. It's hard for an active guy A lot of talents her little bit bitter about that just because they felt like he was using his connections to take that lead that role You know. I didn't even realize that was even. I forgot about the health. Yeah you know Lawrence helpless to get in change. Anything you know he was. He was new. I can't remember. I can't remember when i left that tower lace role and what year was honest with you. So is controversial is is is little ill-timed but the theory of doing having attala seek out a all of us are the same boat. We're all the same team we need to. We need to gather our resources and our emotions and make this thing down saying good Lot of different ways to put it. Yeah it seems like a locker room leader. You'd kind of want them to speak up. But i think also to your point. He had a relationship with stephanie. Certain guys have felt his push happened. A certain way because of it. So there's gonna be no but you're right you get to see. The signs of his evolvement and worry is now and has a coach and as a leader of people. But as you were answering that. jr. I'm bringing forward a little bit too current because i'm interested you an na w have a mvp's they have leadership roles. Do you see those types of guys getting involved with those types of conversations with other guys in the backstage in that environment. I haven't seen it yet. they're welcome to if they wanna they want wanna speak up or are they to so they discuss what they would go over it with tony kahn. And he's really the voice without a doubt. Yeah i mean it's not like the vp's are up there given speeches and etcetera. no i. they're they're. I'm sure they're easy piece for various reasons but I think that there's no doubt in our company who the head honcho is wanted to go out and talk to the group now. Jericho stop to the group. I talked to the group early on timer too. So you know you're trying to the intent. Is paul to play back it forward and share you know i. I believe one of the reasons. I was hired in. Aws's share my experiences from From an administrator standpoint. I worked for a lot of really smart people and i learned from all of them something that i could carry forward so If i wanted to talk to the roster let's say come in charlotte or wherever. I'm sure that it would be approved. But i don't feel like that's my role right now. What i do is. I talked to a lot of talent one on one every tv. Somebody's sitting in front of me. Asking questions are some of them. Just didn't pick me up. So i i try to be positive and play it forward and i sure that some guys would provide a listener. Show my disagree with that. But i also have very honest so sometimes seafood have had their own little little losses. You know They may not think positive side. Yeah yeah hey anytime you get the chance to sit them to the learning tree and you got to be prepared. Take the good with the bad. That's feedback and there's going to be good and constructive and you can take do with it what you want but man take advantage of those opportunities absolutely here that all and also areas of businesses not just wrestling. That's life so you can. We can learn something or that we encounter boom if we're open minded and I try to especially by stage alive. Look like i said earlier in the show. You know got more years in than i have list. That's obvious not a overworking news breaking news and sixty nine years old. I'll be my contract. Was to be enforced when i'm seventy january. How much more do i want to want. Wanna maintain weekly travel at this stage in my life. I want to do this more and more than the ad free network work with. Conrad you guys And not be traveling all over the country right now. That's not an issue. But i know at some point. In time it will become a point of discussion. So i i for me to say well. I'll be happy to go. You know i'll go. I'll go to england. Or i'll go here there and right now i'm all for that kind of thing but at some point in time i got to reevaluate you. Know how much more much much barbecue in an okie makes sense. Jr la la. Lots of good information. Thank you for sharing. I know one off the rabbit trail a little bit there with that. But i'm just curious you know as as fans as listeners we love to have a little bit more insight on the back in the inside workings if you will the communication so that makes sense bringing us back to the show here word. I'm going to our sixteen fifty. One eric bischoff is backstage. There was a big tribute or that was done here. Jimmy miranda had passed away the week prior from a long illness. We really don't talk about jimmy much. He was a big deal in the merchandise department. Can you tell us what What jimmy meant to you. Nice guy he was very very friendly. Company jimmy Live an alternate lifestyle and I think Some people re reacted here that generation to better than others but bottom line was he was so well liked you know because he was always there for everybody. You know merged things of that nature as you mentioned that that was bailey way but i always thought he was a nice guy You know and it's sad that he he got sick. And i'm not sure exactly. What the diagnosis was. I got a good feeling so he was. He's good valuable member of the team. Guys liked him and he was funny. Forty years old old forty born in sixty two two thousand two here so but Yeah no very sad situation. I've heard Mike you to talk about him a little bit as well before in the past and said you know nothing but but kind words about him. Yeah yeah we got. We're we're still living in an era that needs to be put way behind all of us about sexuality and gender issues things of that nature. You know we're all human and the good lord for us all here for something and Someone's sexual You know Per preferences should be nobody's business. I don't care for may talk now. I will tell you that in my younger days as a as a naive ignorant Oklahoma redneck amount other. Say the same things But i only because. I thought it was the right thing to say but nonetheless I totally believe that everybody should be willing to be able to live their lives and jimmy lived his life. Well he always had a smile face. I like our here. Fbi yeah we were into the main event here we had We were talking through some things there. And we had bradshaw on chris nowinski the only active wrestler graduated from harvard. By the way they brought all over for the hardcore title and it ended up backstage. Johnny stan bully interfered and beat up. Bradshaw won the title and then we moved on to the big show and and bischoff. They were together talking backstage. Show was saying how happy he was. Now that bischoff was here especially since one from the nwa was laughed. And you know how. Can we work together and i hope you have my back and all that good stuff as that interview would wrap up. Bradshaw cease tamboli attack them. Regain the hardcore title. So the harcourt titles moving around a few times here on the show I thought it was a fun to see. Big show and eric a little interaction. Eric is making it known by the way on the show that his number one conquest or signing is triple h. That's who he's targeting and wants to wants to sign but then we move into the finale. Here it's the big tag team main event. I'm about an hour. Twenty and forty five seconds. Forty seven forty eight and it's undertaker and brock listener and they're going to take on ric flair and rob van dam in the main event. They're building vengeance. It would be the following week. You're going to see listeners. Going to face off robin van dam for the intercontinental title and taker. You'd end up losing this title to the rock in a match with the rock incurred angle. So here we go its main event. Time yes All-star all-star game here loaded very soon great talents hard. Screw that It's just amazing. How timeless he was the silliest to me. undertaker fanatic to say the least. You look this Match here got the coming out here and all slender glory and then here comes. Rv vdi man rv d. Was a player. He obviously champion here the intercontinental champion around his way but he had a unique style but man so entertaining so innovative always a big fan of Rpd what did you think about rv de working with him. I loved it Us yet he gets no rob his own man he was never an ass. Kisser is always Always upfront with you. And he became more outspoken as time went on when he got more comfortable there in. Wwe away from abc dub So he was a great addition to our roster. He was a hell of a baby face or good. He'll either way you want to look at it. Only had he did. It will always funny. Time for rob van dam. He's is a good news and So innovative so innovative I just thought he was a terrific. So this should be you to the all time greats and undertaker starting at tag team match and you wanna talk about different styles. I think of ric flair and all those classic eighties and nineties matches and working forty five sixty minutes and his style tag teaming with kind of the guy that it forward and rv d with the innovative offense. I think that's a fun. Mix me too good booking here diverse personalities you a little bit of a variety and the legacies of all these guys and their players in the hall of fame in ww. A couple of times. I think taker will be whenever he wants to go when he feels like a suit on and traveling. He says a superhuman bang Van now you know you could tell the guys again respect rob Be on his dub business. A lot of the voice didn't were crazy about ec. W 'cause guys reassess about talking about how great the brand was which. I respect especially considering that they were getting paid. They're still bragging on our brand. They're still supporting their team. So robby got a lot of respect because uniqueness. It didn't hurt people. Those leg. Casey displayed on On their second ago was Money and so it's always interesting to undertake or sets the eat as are working on takers leg and they're saving for a hot tag. Good good good Observation there when take comes into Get hague. I'll let them kick my butt a little bit of a that tells you what he thinks brock listener right a very young brock listener at this point man. It was a prototype. He was his greatest signings signings. There's a low blow refereed. See it take her cells back down. So i won't take off that vertical base. It allows the other guys do things with him. That heretofore went out of half so that's smart wrestling strategy. And here you got the dead man selling Which just shows you that. No one is above sally. I was hoping you'd say that lost restaurant selling different levels all good. I love to see how he would. You mentioned it as he would sit there and he just took a kick to the back of the head from van damme. It's not pop right back up. It's wow let me collect my thoughts and try to stand up here for a minute. That's huge it's lost self half asshole their mixed tag. A lesser and here comes the beast machine. He is just so impressive. he's is a once in a lifetime. Player is rock list. I had. I've had many many long conversations with him In our relationship some really really good really not so good. The boys the boys would take advantage of people at brock. That was somewhat not even experienced by that. I'll give you one example. They lied about their payoffs so he would. He couldn't understand why they were getting more money than him. On certain situation they actually were not go to raucous as i can i. I need to confirm what so made. So you'll know that they're lying He's a special and you haven't seen him in a little while and wrestling. I'm sure that'll change at some point as now crowds and money. You know you really never know them for can be done or he could all of a sudden reappear to work on tofte card at the big pay per view southie. And you'd think it has to be like a wrestlemainia level. Something that type the summer. Saying something big yeah. I don't expect him to make the cast of monday night. Raw right he's not showing up for For any kind of wrestling superstars taping. I got ya ali. Unlikely as monsoon would say highly unlikely. That's where he's at and he's you know he's whether some people say he's earned it or not he is that big of a star. How do people say whether he's earned it or not. You know you just have those naysayers that are were like he came back and part time and this and that i i i hear you. I know what you're saying and what you're going to say. But it worked his ass off in great shape. He delivered the goods every time he got the ring and he saved his cash. You had good. Representation always negotiated well for him And he and he made a lot of money. I can promise you know. I know wants money made at least environment there. There was a lot He was one of the highest guys. We had so I'm i'm a big brock. Donado's signed him and help getting started. I'm a big rock. Lesser proponent came dairy farm of south dakota. We used to have fun talked about that. I grew up on a farm as well. We had some things in common that we're not wrestling oriented so I i have a lot of a lot of time for brock. Lists all these all these guys right here. These four men and his tag team mash right here would transition to any air pro wrestling paul any air and they're just timeless and offer different reasons to finish the kind of cap off the brock talk. He's one of the very few that can pick and choose what he wants to do. He's positioned himself that way and made enough money and made the right decisions that now he can decide what works for him absolutely any and he's earned it. He's got himself into position whether all his doing or All any one person doing by the way. But he's He's done a terrific job of managing his life. You know he's you don't hear controversy from him he doesn't make an ass himself he's Not looking for miniscule pay days just to get another pay day but that's not to say that under the right financial arrangement he wouldn't come back and do something but he's not so motivated to do it. He's made a. I don't know if he needs any more much. Maybe oxymoronic say that. And you know what as i watch him here. He's in the ring with flair flares. Just keeping up with them at this age doing well selling He's still a very good performer. At this stage of his career remember the heels are calling the match slayers helping god the shift with brock. Make one great big sea. The talents could get to the ring. Post camp there. You go so you slipped. Those bosa situations jars. We continue to watch this match just one or two more questions. Here that came in. I like to get to those as i mentioned Ban ledbetter said that anyone again this is a lot of air. Because that's what we've we've kind of talked this episode to be about the big introduction. Did anyone advise vince. Against bringing eric to the company to your knowledge. Jr well not not to share some. Did i don't know who it is. Why are your son did as air controversial Only when he came to us On this night here in two thousand two. But i sure somewhere 'cause they're still had feelings or their feathers have been ruffled and I don't know of anybody who made a allowed protests as it caused the stupidest thing so these cats could have done is to make demands I can't. I can't work with this guy. Oh okay let's finish this discussion your exit date. 'cause you're not gonna come in here and tell us a place you're gonna run or position. You're gonna play how you're gonna finish. The team. land does that. She can't adhere to that. And you have a hard time working so sure. Some did paul scheer so did with me again. 'cause jr's easy target. They'll say it's a they would say things to me that they would never say events which is pretty wise actually so You know i. I'm sure some did with the old man but it was so it's the same multi communicate don't confront fronting. The man is not real good for job security there's the si's five to flare brock respected Rv superkick some of his offense takes a great buff on on the superkick lesser ourselves. The five star fraud slash but wait. There's more last ride. And i suggest is over. I think you're right all your years of taught you anything that was. Why don't you don't disrespect to start finish so so. Real quick taker pins are d instead of flare which is interesting because flare isn't even on the next pay per view. Why do you think that was. You think there's something to that. I don't think so it was probably just so you guys like you. Me what s. It wasn't the first thing that comes to your mind. Well we're going to take her over in his to Right here last comes in clubs taker. In the back of the head these guys loved works too stiff. At snug those two forum shots just gave a taker or real snug at a lot of the talents would not would not rejoice in that treatment. Take her to lock being physical and he wanted list or to look good. 'cause anybody in the company that had a brain so tell you that lesser is nothing but money. He's a he's an atm. You won't far that money then healthy get better at working. The pin code brock. There he gal right. You notice this tattoo as well. Oh yeah didn't have the big the big big somewhere. So yeah. We have not sort of discussion about that because we just done Video games action figures. I swear to have an of you. I hope so. I don't know when it's going to be alive That was a deal. You know a phone. Maybe that'll be the sound bite on twitter this week get. Jr action figure get movement started. There you go so we got bischoff on the phone. He's trying to call triple h. I think even tries to call rock at one point. Leave him of voice mail that he wants the rock to this is just all continuing to set up the narrative of him building his new role. What did you think about this episode. Pretty good pretty good. It was a good matches and the south. that was. i don't wanna say still but let me up matches. Solid you know the color and the dreamer Match attitude that a little bit more aleve ability and cachet even though trish got beat That was nice to see her in mali. Two hall of famers in the ring. I love that. So we go off the air with bishops smiling like a cheshire cat which i've never seen in my life. Cheshire cat smile. Luckily perceived wanted to be and i thought it was a solid show. I really did. It was one that was greatly talked about you. Know the the newsletter guys and all that or They were they were. They were all jacked up about this because of bishop and the back that we kept it under wraps so it wasn't a widespread story leading into this show in continental airlines. So pretty good stuff. I i enjoy the show. Quite frankly i i had a lot of fun watching it with you jim and get your thoughts and opinions and stories of what was going on there in your minds and how things were happening just to kind of wrap up where we were here so you would have less. Ner was the undisputed title holder. He would lose to rock at vengeance and as we all know the big match up at summerslam that year would be rock and brock. Where rockwood at the time brock would become the youngest heavyweight champion of the world taking that title away so the the push for brock is on and And that's where we're at in that time period. Eric bischoff is now your general manager for also Enjoy that one Jr before we get out of here. It's july and we are in the smack dab middle barbecue season and rumor has it. You may have some enhancement talent. That could take our listener. Summer picnics to the next level. Do talk to us about j. arts barbecue dot com. Jr's bbq dot com. How to find it. I say this every week in shape passionate doesn't cost anything to look We think we make a fine product that were created by my my mother and my late wife chan They did the heavy lifting on it. I did a lot of tasty. You could tell i tell you everything both buddy but i. I had a really enjoying building. The brand in their honor. That's great and our products are made with family recipes. 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Yeah i believe that for me anyway grilling are preparing my own food in whatever way i want to choose with these products very cathartic enjoy it. I've got a big outdoor kitchen and oklahoma. So that's one of the things. I always do not go all miss. I go to the store and you make shraga. Products are fit on the grill. So it's good stuff man so they to bring it up schorr conrad's to devote of it. Yeah we we wish konrad well on his Shoot on the beach. Somewhere in alabama rumor and innuendo is that he was down with his father in law has got a new boat. Rick has a boat and the families all enjoying their time there but yeah he deserves it but Do put a bell on the old barbecue sauce. If you come or if you go for the phantom. I tell you what you're going to stay for the sauce remember good stuff so listen. Don't forget you can get all your favorite grilling jr episodes early and ad free over it ad. Free shows dot com so much content. Jr exclusive interactive events. You have bonus content. You and i are talking. We're going to put something together here soon. watching hogan actually turn into To the nwa leader at that bash at the beach. We'll do that together. And you've also participated in a lot of fun. Qna's force well over there goes. I like interacting with fans. I'm never going to outgrow big wrestling fan. And i identify with those other essex. Yeah so that's why. I know that when i get criticism or misspeaking whatever is from a small minority. It is The vast majority of people appreciate my work and respect what i've done. I really really loved that. you know. sometimes you're sitting by yourself your your most important person in your life. So i'm with you Is things like that. That kind of break dickey back up. And so i'm very blessed. My fan base is our fan. Base is very very appreciative of the efforts. As long as mabel they'll always get the after and I'm going to be perfect. No no way in hell. i'm going to be. i wanna give you effort passion and realism. And i think that's what fans are missing and so on were number. We go paul. You gotta help with job to show appreciate your Be conrad's hey. This was a hell of an opportunity. I want to thank you for allowing me to be here this week. I had a lot of fun watching wrestling with you as a great So listen row. Quick i wanted to mention this. Just as a point of encouragement we used to operate in a world where it was you critique in private and praise public that is the reverse now. It's critique in public and praise and private. I've come to find that even myself and that's okay but just know that's the world we live in but i can tell you that you still have throngs of fans cheering you on every week. Regardless of what little word you say offer on and really a huge fan and really to what you've done. I knew you when you were jim ross. Uw f. before jr. You're an excitement that you brought to rustling that. No one has match sense so respect you big time for your contributions to doing appreciate kind words my friends there. You go well listen. Jr more big episodes are on the way including the wwf invasion pay per view from july of two thousand and one and triple h and ninety five and ninety six as the cerebral assassin. He's going to celebrate his fifty second birthday this month. Jr can you believe that great. He'll great he'll proud that we signed even proud that he was there I remember signing. His message is first big contract. I seven figure contract. We agree to turn sitting on an animal case in the back of the evansville. Indiana arena come to terms and got all the is placed ts dotted is dotted cross and never regret. Never regret without a solid food and All success he said jr. jesus christ. Look all i'm saying is when he played in the big game for when i was there when i was looking house shows. I never worried about his matches. Here's one of the guys you knew. 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Todd Grisham on Boxing eSports & Carl Frampton

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

40:45 min | 7 months ago

Todd Grisham on Boxing eSports & Carl Frampton

"From labra doodles to grow nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm visit. Ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud art special bonus episode of the s. Iv boxing podcast. We've got todd. Grisham the blow by blow man for disown. He is also device president of business acquisitions for the new ea sports boxing club video game. It is the first boxing video game set to debut in about a decade by ten years since the eight yay sports video games were a staple among gamers. Todd talks about the creation of this game. Who's going to be in it. What kind of game play. There's going to be all that more with todd. Grisham little bit. Later on. Carl frampton the hundred thirty title challenger. He's got a big fight this weekend against juvenile herring talked to frampton above that. Also get his advice on what he would say to younger fighters about how to conduct the business of your career carbon through ups and downs in his career business. Wise i get his take on all that quick housekeeping note. You like this podcast easy way to support it. Get over to apple podcasts. post a comment leave a rating. It's simple it's easy it's free. It is the best way to make sure we keep doing this podcast week after week. That's it all right onto the show ever been ring citing up blood on you all regard. This is the sports illustrated boxing podcast. Anthony joshua is composed and ferocious spanish. Your watch this hosted by s is chris. Manet's apparently that was my moments now with peter abuse analysis and everything going on in the world of box when you have talent you are given another chance ears chris. Men fight so by night. Todd grisham is the blow by blow man for zone boxing by day. He has another job the the vp of global acquisitions of the east sports club. Which is the brand new boxing video game. That will be released later this year. It's credits buzz on the internet. Already in to explain exactly what it is and how it works. Bring in todd grisham. We are here in texas this week preparing for a fight but he is going to first of does loss. Don't ask how it works. I'm not gonna explain you how it works. No idea you look so. Let's just start here. How many years has it been since. There's been a boxing video game. It's been over a decade okay. So i guess my first question is why. Why did boxing video games. Fizzle out back that you probably know the reason. But it's it's having to deal with these boxing managers and promoters and publicists and the fighters themselves. Because if you sign the video game for east sports they walk up to you to dana white. They say we wanna get a video game for. Ufc thirty million dollars. They write the check. Boom they own all the fighters likenesses thing do whatever they want for boxing. You gotta go find chico gonzalez dig him out wherever his family lives. You gotta go find took latino. You've got to find these boxers. You got to reach out to them. You've got to fi- it's insanely hard and difficult to do. That's why no one wants to deal with it because it's such a process but the boxing video games of yesteryear are playing. Ea fight night like so many others. They were successful enough to make this venture worth going through all that hassle in question again they. They thought it was then. Apparently some of those games they would have thirty fighters thirty five fighters. We're going to have probably two hundred. I mean this game is. I got brought on at the beginning of january. Kinda help them bring on some fighters figure out who actually represents to and just in the last two months. We price signed a contracts. How many fighters would you like to have by the time. This launches kind of that number right now. Believe it or not. We're just gonna from now on. We're pretty much just adding elite level town that we haven't signed or really popular. What's the ballpark number. How many fighters would likely to be involved in this in. There's there's two kind of there's two kind of ways to be in the game. Okay you stick the game in you. Hit play boom. You got probably. I don't know what we're gonna have making up a number right now. Seventy five boxers available now. If i wanna fight with michael none. He's not going to be in the game. But i can find him as one of the downloadable characters boom he can go in the game. I want sergio mora would. But he's available. You just got to pay five dollars ninety nine cents and download him so okay just explain. Explain that so the ways to play this game one is going to be through traditional. Ps four ps five system correct. Ps four ps five and xbox absolutely pc sega genesis janice. We're not going to be a second genesis. Now that's unfortunate and so you pop the thing in and can you download characters via that. Yes that's all you have to do. For instance if if you have a argentina and you're like man. I play diego maradona. He's available as purchased a downloadable character. So all in all they'll probably be around two hundred to twenty fighters available to purchase or play with. So what do we know about what this game is gonna look. He's gonna look a lot like you know. Ea fight night in terms of gameplay. I mean just think of anything. Ten years ago wouldn't the last. What was the cell phone. Ten years ago maybe iphone blip phone still have ten years ago. I don't know maybe a flip phone. We'll think of that and act berry for sure ten years a decade ago. Right even about until you anything about this game. Is this the first boxing game. They've done it has it has been ten years. How much better they're going to be. I mean it's ridiculous you can look at just some of the photos. Online like arturo gatti and the world's strongest man is in the game because he's a boxer. Now i mean just the graphics are sick. I mean looks legitimate. I mean if you put one of these pictures up on a billboard and drove by you think that's a of the guy that's how good it's gotten. The game plays much better use to a boxing games. You throw a punch. You come backwards. Well this game instead of coming straight back you can rotate back. You can slip to the side you can. You can put one hand up and block your left side. I mean it's just there's so many options to be good at this game like you have got to play it all the time. This is one of those smash smash. Aa like you used to do you have. That doesn't work anymore. Contra actually not can never die you could die said thirty lives you just keep beam like sergio's career up first of all. I could say that code right now up down up down up down down left right left right. Select start bam. That's your contra coat right there. You need code that you were very popular with women as teenager. No zero luck What kind of response received whether it's social media or providers or from wherever like what kind of reception we had this show last week that we we put out on youtube. We purposely kept the game sort of a secret. I mean they'd released some videos year. Somebody here but we wanted to make a splash and let people know the fighters we had. Because you know that's the first thing you guys are gonna ask cool graphics. Everything what fighters do you have. And if all you can say is You know rando guy. Give me a name. Sergio mora bury him to someone else. Who someone else we can get in on this show that you wanted to really take a couple of cracks at Around a little bit. So which fighter hates you more than off. I mean that's a long list. Triple jia fan ears g. We're we're going to good place. Bernard hopkins pretty. Well let's use bra for example but are fine that game as of this moment we have. I think a verbal agreement. Here's the thing when you have two hundred contracts we have right now out. Probably seventy contracts and haven't been returned to us just because devon haney devotee and he's not a fan of these definitions down on. We're we're working on de used as we've got the dan how about you asked about fighters oscar valdez does he. I'm sure you let me pull out some names. We oscar royd jones junior fanciers. Roy had a back and forth. Andre ward and i've had some back and forth what's going to list if you're writing in being critical sometimes guys they tend to want to slap you. Taylor reaches pro. Great burgess. pro-gay probably hate you. Fine chris jerry and he didn't hate anybody. Nause paulie paulie and i are good really. Yeah daniel jacobs was critical critical of his last fight. But it's or ayla norris dismore halen beat devon. Yes or no. Ooh good fight. I don't know it's happening. I but yes. I'm aware tap having covered the sport. Yes i actually did break. It actually said you got really mad. Won't bring the incident that someone broke a story before you did. I won't say any names because it wasn't accurate that the story was broken before you told me you're not really the breaking news guy anymore. You're more of the. It's more like i'm not as the the lines. Are blurry when you work for a network and are breaking news when you have information that you're privy to because of your relationship with the network. So i i try to steer clear that for the most part when it comes to zone related fights because it's a little. What room have you heard about the next zone. Fight that we can break right now next to zone fights can nilo anthony joshua All right all right. So what else about this. Can you create yourself in the. Yes the character creator going to be amazing okay so if any fighter you want that you in the game that you want you just make endear best to make them look like what i plan to do. Whenever the game comes out is to buy the game and create myself. I'll be like six foot three between light heavyweight and cruiserweight somewhere in that range decent power. What were your body. Not fluctuates right fluctuates based on lunch and dinner or towards more towards butterbean or beat their butter bt. but what. i've been in the game of butterbean. I'd love butterbean. I've seen my favorite butter videos from jackass when he beats the one punch robson but why plan to do and what. I'm sure people want to do is fight against their favorite fighters. Now my plan will be to set it to two player mode. And i will be one side of the ring and sergio mora will be on the other side of the ring and i will just walk across the ring. He's in two player mode. Nobody else playing that game and just punching repeatedly like over and over and over again just punch him until i knock him out. I could do it in one player boat because we know. Sergio has no power under any circumstances but people can do that right being create themselves and put them test themselves against the sergio more as or somebody a lot better of the world. Sergio he keeps begging me to be one of the announcers in the game. Because i'm actually the announcer. Please give me and give me him. And i said here's here's the only way i'll get you in. Sergio is if i convinced that the game play guys over at sheffield convince ash. Abib the owner of the company to let it almost be like. Wwe where if you want. You can go beat up any announcer i mean. Can you imagine spiders home. I got to fight. Stop for a second. Oh i got triple cheese pete in the shit out of too wrestling though i mean do you want to maintain an aura would only do that if sergio mora no hey. Speaking of that. We haven't signed these youtubers that want to be in this game. I get contacted everyday by six million instagram. I wanna be a fighter in the game. They have been very diligent about making sure. This is a boxing video game for boxing fans at least to start out with what kind of rating though do you give these youtubers. Like if you're going to do real actual exactly get jake. Paul said a nice little run here beating up the of the world but you know you should hear some of these these these fighters. I won't say his name because you to change is my one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Who still alive said. Sure i'll be in the game. We came to agreement. However i want one thing ad in the contract i cannot lose. My character cannot lose a fight. It feels like the premise to mike tyson. Punchout from back which we said now probably can't do that. Sorry they left. You wouldn't believe what guy say they won't be in the game for unless we change. Give me another example. I wanna make. I want to have more power than this guy does. And we go. Well this guy has won sixteen fights in a row by first round knockout. I won't say his name. Oh well. I'm stronger than him if he's if he's stronger than me. I don't wanna make everybody knows. The name of the guys went sixty minutes with frustration. Yes so he's got pretty. You're gonna have to get him. Pretty good power aren't you. Yes now as far as you don't know what to put because he hasn't been passed one round but power he's gonna have plenty of it. Well how is it are the ratings able. To be changed like agra language you mentioned sixty sixty knockouts but it's fought nobody so that power number dip. If he starts fighting real fights his experience will be very low all the other tangible to be probably low like is you gotta give them something. He can't suck. But as i guess. No i guess the question is like if you download edgar berlanga on day x and like a year later. He's lost two fights or whatever like how one hundred percent is just like an nfl. If ben rothlisberger ratings plays a terrible terrible game you notice the same thing. I mean right now if anthony joshua comes back and loses his next six fights he's not going to be the best player on the game. We haven't signed nancy josh. I'm just still out there as a you. References the guys in the game. Right you think could use the fighters in the game for you. But there's so many fighters we've got so many. Do you have peterman. freida yet. Is that is that the guy you want. Let's sergio fought in the catabolism. How 'bout vinny pazienza. You wanna beat somebody up the judge after tito chocolate tito and here's a if you talking about building character. If you build a character you start him out on career mode zero zero right. The chris mannix mannix wins. A couple fights he signs with a trainer with trainer. Do you want. I wanna touch you. What about bo mac. S black la. Boma boma key. It'd be with bomani. Then you sign with a management company you know. Do you want to run your career. Okay well yeah. I'd get rich and fight so that would be a good looking guy and you win tin fights. You could get this certain brand gloves. You wouldn't tim more than you starting fighting contenders and it's the career mode is going to be amazed at some point. Someone's going to crush you. Which fighter would that be in. Your career would be sergio mora because i tend to however i can find a way to get in the ring with sergio more digitally. I'm going to find a way to do it. You versus edgar berlanga. I lose spectacularly the first round. I probably walk out of the ring to say by. That'd be like wwdc. You made it through one round. Like i'm i'm done. I'm leaving the race. So this targeting when to have an early release the game is exclusively on. Pc and that's gonna probably be early summer and in the game launch will be later in twenty twenty one and people can download on pc than that's okay starts to its early release about eighty percent done. So they work out the kinks. They see things aren't working. It's not a lot of people that play games on. Pc so you it's kind of like a test mode how even play games on pc at. Do you have remote control for x. y. I don't know is there like bar. Space bar don't tap the button over and over again. I'm going to be tapping the button all right so summer earlier released then on the platforms hopefully by the end of the year. And there were we're still signing big name. Boxers some. I can't say right now but there's in the top five pound for pound. We've got at least two guys once definitely locked in now. I've seen you go out there on the phone. Talking to people trying to get guys signed how challenging has it been to get these guys on board. I've what i now know why fights are so difficult and so hard to make happen. It's incredible because there'll be someone who will tell you right your face hundred percent signing it tomorrow morning. i'll email it to you bubble. A great awesome were so thankful to be. You don't hear from the next day. They don't take a calls a week later. Oh well that's because this measure told me this guy got this and this lawyer told me that his guy saying and it just goes on and on and on and finally what you have to do is almost like if you don't send me is by midnight. Tonight we are withdrawing the offer and we will not make you another offer until next year. I've done that with a couple of people whose names i won't say and at eleven fifty nine the contract back is the plan for game like this you know most people are used to sports games being like madden two thousand ten madden two thousand eleven. Nba two k. k. Twenty one is the plan to release new versions. Are they in this for the long term. This company this this game. When we signed fighters contracts is basically saying. We'll probably have another one four years. This was for four years The good thing about the the last boxing sold two point five million copies over a decade ago. There hasn't been one sense. Is that i mean. It seems like a good number. That's a great fantastic number. Anders quadrupled the gamers around so when this five million copies. That just makes me wonder why. Ea gave up on it so quickly. I just told you. I mean it's hard right but employment says i'm not going to be in your game unless you give me ten dollars a unit you go. Okay i'm giving up to ninety cannella alvarez says i'm not going to be your game unless you give me ten dollars unit next thing you know on two point five twenty. It's fifty million dollars. you spend. yeah and then chanko wants eventually like oh forget it. And then who's going to buy the boxing video game. If you don't have any good boxers and so explain then how fighters get signed now like is it a formula royalty based all royalty base. You go to terence crawford or whomever he say we'll give you five cents a unit every time. And you think five cents. That's not what you sell. Five million copies a half million dollars right. Some guys are dow. Dlc guys on a percentage deal. Hey the number of times your dental loaded with deal is alexander. I'm not sure if he's gonna come with the game or i think he's. Dc downloadable characters yellowy. You're fighting the heavyweight division you've got forty heavyweights to choose from but you want butterbean or you want usa. Who's not part of game and you go okay five. Boom you buy them. Every time you buy usa. He gets a percentage of that. A good percentage so if he gets downloaded to three hundred thousand times which i imagine he will. He's gonna make a lot of money. You found guys are excited about this. Once they sign on. I mean what's their interest after they agree to the deal. Some some some of legends. That we've signed. Who are as you know. A lot of are down on their luck. I've heard crying on the phone thanking me. Bless your family. God sent you into my life to change my life. It gets emotional. Sometimes you would. It hits you and you're like there. There are a lot of fighters that have not done well with their money. I'm sure they see this as an opportunity. A central american star. Who who's who's no longer with us Their family was. I thought they were showing my front door with like barbecue in the band. The whole thing because literally barbecue tens of thousands of dollars if not six figures if not even more and they just. They haven't gotten any money in that family in years and it's feels amazing that'd be cool. There's other fighters who are like get the f out of my face. I don't need you. Are you anticipating like once it's released to have more fighters come in and say all right. Maybe this fires the don't think this is a real thing. Maybe they think it's. I'm thinking after the show that we just aired my e mail gets. I went from getting thirty emails a day to like three hundred a day and of course every fighter in the world wants to tell me why they should be in the game but it costs a lot of money to scan these guys. I mean these are ak cameras. It's one hundred forty s. How does that work. How does the fight or getting the game. Digitally josh taylor. For instance goes. There's there's an american center in los angeles and there's one right now in sheffield united kingdom. They show up they go in. They do shadowboxing the cameras scam. It's whole detailed. dang it takes about once. It's done two weeks to probably get the character tiptop. I mean look go to our website or near our social media and look like the tattoos. Gabe rosado wait till you see. What is scarce. Gonna look like or a Ricky hatton his tattoos you zoom in on one. You're like oh. This is a photograph of his back insane. So we'll they. I mean again. This is maybe more back to mexico where we have every major boxer. I think we'll have by the time. The game launches. I think we'll have ninety five percent of the guys that you'd want in the game one. We like about wrestling games not to compare the two but there's a similarity in that you like wrestling game wrestling's but each each wrestler odyssey as a signature kind of finishing move and boxing. It's not the same thing but each box. Your closet todd. Grisham wrestling fan. You never really never asked me one single question and now you're telling me how much you love wrestling ir liked wrestling in the ninety s. Who didn't i mean like once the two thousand center. Yeah like this story. We are in toronto ontario canada. We've finished John cena had just wrestled edge and all the pay per view was tables ladders and chairs match. One of the best matches i've ever seen live. We had some three brothers that own like six clubs across toronto. I mean a lot of things are happening in the back rooms of those places a lot of fun if you partook in that. So we're it. It's usually all the younger guys that go. All the old wrestlers have been going on for forty years. It's just another night for them. So we're there's all the young wrestlers on there my buddy jonathan coachman having a great time the dj's spinning it. They would just have girls waiting there for the wrestlers like it was like a fan. Part is amazing so great on this is so good and all of a sudden music stops and we turn to look who the. Dj's it's hacksaw. Jim duggan and he says it crazy. Just imagine big old hacksaw running the show. But that's what i like wrestling. When it was packed so jim duggan and hogan and ric flair ultimate warrior ultimate warrior. Those days guy was macho. Man randy macho man. Guy is a bit in kurgan. Flying others the mega-powers get the voice out. Pretty good you but the idea though. Is that these guys all finishing moves like you mentioned. The guys are scanned like we'll ryan using hypothetical like the ryan garcia left hook like is it that nitty-gritty where it's i. I can try to explain it over. Radio or whatever. This is audio but it doesn't do justice. just go look at the clips online radio. One hundred years old. I used to. I used to work at. I want when i got into the business. I wanted to be a radio. Dj like legit. Like wolfman jack. I was even changed the last name. I was todd andrews because i thought to meet people not give a last name in my house so it was todd andrews on carrollton kiss one. Oh two point seven where we always give you a perfect mix music music from the eighties nineties today. No har rock no rap just more variety coming up. We've got some britney spears celine dion amboise plus. We're taking your requests. It's the eight three seven five four seven seven. That's eight three four. Kiss also east alabama west georgia weather forecast coming up next on w. c. k. 's ted's kiss one. Oh two point seven. You're more people called in requesting songs. That was the thing for so long. But robert record of yeah. Hey it's may beverly. I'm having a rough time with ricky. And i'd like you to please play play. I will always love you by whitney houston. Because i always wheel ricky all right thanks. Let's play that one for you nowadays. Not so much it's distracts eight bish cert- by you got it right here right here on. Wfan let's go all right. The game is e sports boxing club. You can expect a version at some point in over the summertime and a full release before the end of the year. It's been decades since we've had a good boxing video game i remember. This'll be the greatest fight game ever created. That's how far bar pretty high there guy just y- you know as well as i do anything you post on twitter if you read one hundred comments. How many of them are negative ninety nine ninety nine so if you think about video games if you posted a clip of the video game on youtube ago what do you think what are the comments can say usually bad go look at the comments under our clips. Okay okay. I mean look. I am eager to try to. I remember ever back the last year. Sports game i played. I remember setting up a computer version of klitschko vs klitschko and live tweeting. It there were like people interested in the live. Doing does mom in the in the in the background. Go no not to fight each other. This is that you create actually. Yeah it's unclear if that was accurate. Who wins that fight obviously agree about better chin and i think the brother would kind of pose punches little to a degree but bitterly tougher better in in their primes. I think italy bigger puncher was flat and one of the biggest punchers in heavyweight history. I can eat a big right hand but bitterly could take it anywhere him down towards the end i just my. I think how is my mind as i was like. How could you force these guys to fight. Like how could you make them fighting. Have do one. Hundred percent effort kent. Yes gateway as much as you'd want like my brother. But i've never given like you. Just don't wanna really hurt your brother in the rings raphael marquez. Juan manuel marquez. That never happened. I can't imagine what charles you've is crazy. They can sound sometimes like them ever getting in the ring so now that would never actually my my childhood friends were walton. Dane twin brothers. The best fights ever saw was wall vs danny. Well maybe some brothers sad that kind of animosity towards each other. And here's how i figured out. You could made imply you kidnapped the mom. Okay you kidnapped the mom and you say i am whoever i am. I'm watching. i'm gonna watch this fight. And if i think either one of you are going less than one hundred percent. The mother is killed. Isn't that like the theme of batman versus superman. Like you know one of the mothers was kidnapped and that would work right. I guess and you say if if you give both one hundred percent no matter what happens our releaser and i'll give you both well. Let's million dollars hope. That doesn't actually happen still consider. Let's hope that we don't have that scenario. Jim versus jamal to make it happen. John grisham vice president of esp c. Can you get sergio's backyard. Barbecue brawls especial setting against like wrestling. let's do back yard to have more versus whomever in the backyard. I'd like to see that whatever you want. We'll put it in there. Make us would send a wishlist east. Sports boxing club. Check it out later this year. First boxing video game in a decade doger's swears the best boxing video. No no no. No no combat fight it combats. It'll be better than anything you've ever seen. All right well grisham guarantee we will. We will reconvene this time next year. And say if you've to stay tuned in the social media page. We've got a new show coming out soon where we announce a new influx warfighters. We've signed and there are some elite level. What are the social media pages. Espn game you can always check mine. I'm on instagram. Todd grisham you tonight. What you're just like. Oh my children that bothersome to you. Christmas father loving his daughters. It's called love. do you have any of it. Your life's unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary dot. I tell you let's keep it civil rights keep it cities betas. Espn against social media handles again espn game and also anywhere on youtube. Good just type. Espn and you'll find us and we got news new cool stuff coming out. Every day i check out the video on youtube check it out on social and if you like it by it before the end of the year top looking forward to amend pace when we come back my conversation with carl joining me now is called frampton hundred and thirty pounds title challenger he will face juvenile herring on april third in dubai. That could be seen the us on espn. Plus all. before i get into your fight i was reading something you said recently about. Just how much. Money fighters have taken out of their purses when it comes to trainers and managers that like the number. You see on paper whether it's on twitter or wherever it doesn't always reflect what the fighters get. You guys have to sacrifice a lot out of these paychecks don't you. Yeah but i think that if you've got a team behind you who are all of that than that's not okay. They deserve that thing to think of what happens in the split. Is ill a lot of pain. You get monitors taken too much money for not doing a lot of work trainer not take enough money as well as baseball. But i think that F adhere manager under free in her are deserving than they should be paired up. What would you. What advice would you give to a young fighter. Just getting into the game about how to handle his business. You've been in the game for a long time now. You bobby a lot of things. What advice would you give a young player. While the men piece of advice epic ever young fedor would be always have a lawyer. Look at every single contract that you get given On don't just trust anybody in this game always always have someone nubia contracts at lawyer wanting to they're looking at Preferably a lawyer rather than someone in your family who thinks they know what they're doing. But i'd say always always legal team and that's from the barry by start. Sounds like you speak. Maybe from experience that you have like an uncle look over your contracts back in the day no i didn't i didn't i just Anyone look over my contract. I just you know done things on trust on. That's just the way it was. Would you can do it so you know i would. I would say advice. I would give. Ni- is completely different on. Thank learn from things in the past. If i did as a young kid someone through i would always say they have a legal team bangor. So you're with mel hering. It feels like you. And i've talked about this a couple of times already. Been so many stops. It starts to this fight ultimately happened. Was there any point. Call that you wondered if this would happen. No i was off this question today. I know we always confident that they happen. Because a conference in my at mt k. And top ranked as well manji mail both being top ranked trader finger. Clar movie was well by mt k. Sanjay male harangue More conference at the fate actually was gonna take clear so A louis been longhand i was at. I was ever worried that the fate wasn't gonna happen. Always confident that that'd be get there eventually. You last fought back in august a good staring trainer. You picked up a knockout in that fight. How do you feel physically going into this fight with the time off. But you've had. I feel unbelievable. And like the office probably suited me more than than than jamaica so have a lotta delays necessarily. He's been close to the with hold in the weird for a long time and i know that he says he makes it easy. But it just physically. It's not possible for this year. Says to make it easy that the delays of probably helped me and I'm just feeling good Exactly where i need to be of Not one hard session coming up tomorrow. Jumping into bed just to get goal nine and That's the way you wannabe feeling glenn. Their favorite any issues for you in this campaign. I ask because i failed to ask the question. Two weeks ago it turned out. He had covert like a month before so these camps nowadays could be crazy. I'm okay. I'm up an idea. It needs to mr earnings dubai Used to the hey A little bit of a twinge in my on a very maybe six weeks ago. Something like odd Arrest or data than i finished all spun and but we it's good that's all the all the comes wind as well as a as a polygon. How do you feel about this fight. Taking place in dubai like the idea of like dubai assault that. I know that it's a better location. That would have been in the studio for example in london with act completely dead. Anti-kurd i think there are some vip gessler the attend despite. It will be a small tiny bit of office. Fear which is better than often. The fact that i'm doing it here at place like best we've been treated like kings like we've been really looked after I prefer this on the original plan longer. Top ben to participate in a fight and also watched the flights that take place. You i mean. I i give you. K- fighters a ton of credit. There've been some really good fights overseas between top level guys. But it's also been weird despite the best efforts of warranted eddie earned to create atmosphere. It's been tough to see. You know i ll. Fights fought in front of nobody. Yeah it's it's been hard on that a low. My last i wasn't a high level. Faith the level of opposition of berlin. I'm glad i've experienced. It's like fading. And well. So i knew without a doubt. Understand what it's gonna be late so it's not going to be a new feeling to me here There will be a few people in dubai. vip guests. I'm hoping they made a little bit of noise was not completed but it to be honest was hard fighting an completely data right now. Just just wasn't was amazing. Something that i wasn't used to you call frampton fans may be seeking in to the To the crowd on april. Third djamil herring talented guy talk fighter. It had a lot of success. What's the key to beating a guy like that and well. I think there's different ways. This guy can be vaguely seen with team lose to shop a coffee really just arm from start to finish. And that's not the type of failure. I he'll may manhattan up completely. Different says people look at my dimensions. Thank that. I'm just going to hop in my head and earnings guests the witness fate. But you know that that battle hop on at some point in the fate. I think we'll be point of the faith. Were i can straight jamaica. Rain on boxing and yaba was well which may surprise some people. But i feel like when i get my feet goal when i might distance control as words could be. I want my hans our finest bosses. I knew econ Economic job as guys. Well on always feel like elway saying pramilla guys perspective like i would be to five ten jamaica laraine getting hit by jobs all five hundred five on trump on that has got to be fired for straighten. No you're in a position where you could fight for multiple titles this year even certainly within the next eighteen months of course not looking past anything but is it your goal as you enter kind of the final stages of your pro. Boxing career is a unified one. Thirty do you want to accomplish something at even higher wait. What are the goals for you in the last two years your career. This is my limit and terms of going up. The way i you know. Super fatherhood is very very comfortable for me to with the mic. I am too small for lake with. Some may sound too small for a supervisor with i believe i am But john's dependent unify a second division. Which is a realistic option. Oesterreich beach aren The unified version would be amazing. But look. it's warm. Faded a tank jamaica originally. I'm standing right now Difficult fight. But i believe i believe i'm gonna win. What's the difference between you at one. Twenty six and you at one thirty. I mean whether it's how you feel physically or how you think you're going to perform visit. I'm in a better player on eaten a lot. I'm hanging around a can of the last week or so have been hanging around about it pond Which for me is very very good at a hobby drowned lose anymore with. I've been eating. Well unfav we. We need to bring down a little bit book. Just physically mentally break where i need to be. I am happy apartheid camps went. I'm happy with my preparation. I'm happy about the tea my hall behind me an critically the best possible. I'm done to be bees in the witchery mcdonagh. Pb in a dad. Let's not be on a floor pressel physically. I'm warning to a. I'm strong on mandalay. i'm baffoni warning to be as well talking about your team. What is about this team that you feel is most effective for you at this stage year career. I i love these people. The the friends of mine on we. We've been friends for a number of years. I'm we'll be lifelong friends long after box over on the got my best interests at heart On i've done well with my team to this point on some baked face windsor park. For example. i've beaten are at a loss to george warrington which was very disappointing. But i wanted to win a fake faith and a proper word hato with my new team with empty kaimuki me on travelers nagelsen on. I think i'm gonna do april third Everybody here. I'm sure is looking forward to call good luck against about hearing looking forward to watching the fight man. Thanks time why experienced by zip. This week's episode. My thanks to my guess as always subscribe to the podcast over at apple podcasts. Great review you know. I appreciate it. And i'll see you next week.

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The 2021-22 CBS Sports big preseason awards and three All-America teams (College Basketball 10/21)

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The 2021-22 CBS Sports big preseason awards and three All-America teams (College Basketball 10/21)

"Hey there, it's Gary Parrish's Thursday, October 21st, 2021. Welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camo fighting dodo birds and leaky black men in Orlando is here with me and today we're gonna spend a few minutes discussing the serious sports preseason all American teams and individual awards because they're out. It's that time of the year. Season starts in less than three weeks of dead leg. Let's run through our preseason individual awards first. Player of the year, coach of the year, freshman of the year. The CBS sports preseason national player of the year is Gonzaga's drew Timmy, the CBS sports preseason national coach of the year is produced Matt painter and the CBS sports preseason national freshman of the year is dukes, Paulo Ben Caro. That doesn't exactly match my ballot. Is that the ballot you turned in? It is. Here are my top three of each. Drew chem for player of the year. Timmy was one, Ben Caro was two. Coburn, Kofi coburn, Illinois was my number three selection for preseason player of the year. Coach of the year, Matt painter was my number one Mark few was my number two Bill self was my number three pick. And in freshman of the year, palo bank Carol was my number one pick, Chet holmgren was number two, and then Tennessee's Kennedy Chandler is my prediction to be the third best freshman in college basketball this season. I guess my ballot was national player of the year preseason. It went Timmy won, then Carol two, Johnny juzek three. Coach of the year, we'l