20 Burst results for "Jonathan Cape"

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Backlisted

Backlisted

04:42 min | 6 months ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Backlisted

"Gale Jones imagine that. As Gail Jones publishes novel after novel at the moment, incredible. I think we inspired her, don't you think? Yeah. William. He's got one coming out too. And she made a cameo appearance on a priest miss not so priest episode as well, which was great. Johnny. The book we're here to discuss is the crying of lot 49. The second novel by Thomas pynchon, first published in the U.S. in 1966 by JB lippincott and co, although excerpts that appeared the previous year in esquire and cavalier magazines. Its first UK publication was in 1967 by Jonathan cape. Usually described, we might come on to this as a classic of postmodern fiction, it follows the attempts of a young Californian woman oedipal mass to make sense of why she's been made executives of a former lover's estate. As we will doubtless discover, the book is impossible to describe succinctly. It's a brilliant and intricate satire in 60s America a gripping page Turner, a literary hall of mirrors which scorches its way into the reader's consciousness through the strange beauty of its language, your destiny of its ideas and the zaniness of its plot and characters. Anyway, before we start comparing notes on jacobean tragedy or trolling Instagram in search of muted post horns, Andy, what have you been reading this week? So I've been reading a book that came out last year by art former guest on blacklisted Susie boyt. It's her 7th novel and it's called loved and missed. And. Susie said something to me after we recorded the episode. John berry man, wasn't it? John berryman and the dream songs, and Sam, I know you're a big fan, aren't you? We were talking about what the role that alcohol and addiction played in berryman's life and work. Both those things, life and work. And she said to me, you know, my novel that I've.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on Backlisted

Backlisted

05:33 min | 7 months ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Backlisted

"Where it's about love, you know, she's loving him through his existential kind of doubt. It's beautiful. Could we talk a little bit before we go about his most recent and what will probably be his final book. This was published in 2019 by Jonathan cape, it's called time for lights out. I didn't really know about this book, and I read it for that listed, and I think everyone else did, didn't they? I think we all kind of did. As much as like a bear, I was absolutely blown away by this. This seems to me to be an fantastic example of a forgotten book published in 2019. And weirdly what we're here for to draw people's attention to. I mean, you probably know fungus the bogeyman listeners and you probably don't know time for lights out. But it's the product of 20 years work. It's the book Briggs said he was writing for years about old age. And it is, I can't find the vocabulary. I've never read a book like it. There you go. I've never read a book like Tom for lights out. What did everybody else think of it? I thought it was incredible. And the thing that struck me immediately is how similar to fungus the bogeyman is, it is. And a lot of his books but finally he is writing about himself. He is, you know, he is finally the character at the center of the book. It's no longer he's no longer using father Christmas or fungus the bogeyman. It is about Raymond Briggs, but it's following the same path. It addresses all those things like a quest for meaning. You see parallels in the way that he is someone who kind of thinks about poetry and prose and is incredibly learned. But he's constantly confronting the questions that other people don't..

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on Woman's Hour

Woman's Hour

05:34 min | 9 months ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Woman's Hour

"Although she was very serious about what she did, of course. And I thought that was extremely interesting. Where would you start if you've never read and may have been she? Well, I suppose you'd have to start with circle of friends. It was very interesting when I first met her. She told me what she wanted to do was to write a novel about best Friends destroying each other. And her agent was appalled and said, but best friends don't. And Maeve and I looked at each other. Caught each other's eyes at all. They can. But in fact, with light of many candles, she didn't write that. Her first novel, she wrote about best Friends supporting each other through thick and thin. But she did come back to that theme of betrayal in circle of friends and about somebody you utterly trust a girlfriend portraying you taking your man getting pregnant and actually lying about just about everything. So I think that in a sense represented some of the deepest themes that may have wanted to explore. And also Benny, the heroine is probably the nearest we will ever get to May, putting herself on the page. Well, that's some Megan for you. I know, as you continue in your writing, I imagine that the sort of challenge to what you do next and how you keep developing it and I suppose continue to find those stories, isn't it? And the role of the editor is a big part still in writer's lives. Yeah, I absolutely love being edited. I'm I like to think of myself as being the opposite of a precious person in that regard. I really love the relationship I had with both my agents who does a lot of my initial editing or did on my debut anyway. And my editors are Jonathan cape. And I think because it's really hard, especially your first time out to identify how you feel about your own work sometimes. So actually, I find it very useful to for the constructive way, but also if somebody says that they don't like something how I feel in response you know if I feel very adamant that I need to keep it, then that's a great lesson that I really mean something. And if I feel, okay, take out whatever you want. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. So I love it and it's very invigorating process for me. But all the best with the next bits of writing, which can be torturous, I know. I don't know as much as you know, but even the hint of it, I'm aware of Rosie to call see thank you to you as well for giving us some of your recollections and as to why I may have mattered to so many people and especially to so many women. It's brilliant to be able to hear your recollections as you say ten years ago the much loved writer may have been she died at the age of 72 and Meghan Nolan they're talking her novel acts of desperation published in paperback tomorrow. But just let me finish the program if I can with someone celebrating a win a change in the law taking photos or video recordings of breastfeeding mothers in public without their consent is to be made a crime in England and Wales punishable by up to two years in prison. Well, in April last year, Julia Cooper started a campaign to make it illegal after she saw that a man taking photographs for the long lens of her breastfeeding in a park with of course her baby..

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on WLS-AM 890

WLS-AM 890

01:42 min | 9 months ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on WLS-AM 890

"Backwards The best tactic Jim is let's insult Joe Manchin to death This is it Let's insult him and eventually he'll come around Cori Bush please keep this strategy up You and AOC has worked so swimmingly in the past Here check this out This is Cory bush calling Joe Manchin Scrooge for the holidays Check this out When I leave this interview I'm going to the intro webs and I'm going to be looking for the phone number to the ghost of Christmas past present and future or the email address to see if they can go and see about Scrooge on a Christmas Eve I'm sorry not screwed up Senator mat know who you're talking about Oh gosh that was cringe too dude wasn't it That's really not funny I mean outside of the fact that it's just a really dumb strategy but keep it up I'm not here to talk you out of it We're on a WMA L and D.C. lawmakers can hear us Democrats squad members keep it up keep insulting Joe Manchin's working very well for you the strategy so far But just seriously it was very cringe to I'm going to go to the interwebs and look for the ghost of Christmas even that Jonathan cape part of someone MSNBC I don't see it in front of me But it's not funny It's not just going by voice here but it's not funny Something funny about that It's super cringe Speaking of super cringe after the break I want to play for you some audio my Fox show this weekend I typically don't play my own content over on the show because I can just repeat my content But now when it's a debate it'd be hard to get the guests back But we had a debate this week at about climate change and the deadly tornado that really did not end well for the leftist and it proves my golden rule again That when in doubt just go right to the personal attacks and the emotional stuff They don't really have anything any anything else There's nothing else in their menu there More on that on the other side of the break will be right.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

77WABC Radio

06:08 min | 11 months ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"That enacted all of these far left policies and chose these people I think you nailed it I think you absolutely nailed it for Joe Biden It's about Joe Biden It's about legacy and it's about history That's why I brought those historians in so they would write about him and he would and he would influence what they wrote about him I think you're exactly right I think his wife has a lot more power in the Oval Office than people think and people say she's a very strong willed and stubborn individual Happy to know that for a fact And then you have Ron klain and operator who's been a long team as a I put in the book A lot of senators have come to call him prime minister claim That should say a lot about where the power lies And notice the media don't want to know about his health They don't want to know about his medicines They don't want to know about anything So if you are of the hard left it's like the current governor of Virginia and his past They are going to do everything they can to hold you up and build you up All these other issues that they apply against a Trump or wagon or anybody else they're simply immune from those things And this is your point about the media of course the media are corrupt They are corrupt through and through even now with the elections in Virginia what they have said about this lieutenant governor elect this Michael Eric Dyson who is a complete reprobate In this Jonathan cape heart more cape fear than K part and another punk What they say about her because she doesn't embrace their Marxist racist ideology is disgusting And yet explain something to me if you can Comcast owns NBC and MSNBC They bring in these race baiters and these bigots who say these things that they say and they don't seem to mind What is with Comcast or AT&T that don't CNN and so forth Well I mean I think that to me they agree with it or they're scared of it I don't know They're woke but they're to them I mean I'm with you I watched some of these comments and say if you just if that person were white and said what Dyson said about winsome Sears If this was if the roles were reversed if a Republican was a conservative was saying that about a liberal all hell would be breaking loose I can not believe the lack of backlash that these folks deserve and aren't getting But to your question it's because the ownership wants this There was a clip that we played on the show today Stephanie rule who was a business person at some point and is on MSNBC now Literally was giving pointers to them saying to the DNC chair This is how you should sell this This is how you should act And I'm thinking to myself you've got to be kidding me Like she is literally telling him say this do this do more of this and less of that And I'm going I can not believe that nobody is calling this stuff out But that tells you how bad it is When you can literally do it in plain sight and there's no consequence I can not believe this but there are two chapters in the book about the complicity of the media I mean you have publicly funded reporters in the briefing room getting up and praising him and no one thinks this is a problem And then they of course talk about the right leaning media Think about how Jen Psaki does a press conference She calls on all of the folks that are her buddies her former colleagues remember she worked at CNN And then at the end she throws a bone to Peter doocy who is always respectful always professional And frankly ask questions that are on the mind of every American that has a brain cell And then they go oh my God she answered the tough questions She never called on anybody else She has her 5 things She checks the box They praise her They write down what she says And then they move on But nobody calls out anything because they are complicit This is their agenda They are finally happy that they get to do all of the things that they wanted to see done in the country that Trump was doing that they as journalists and as people didn't approve because they're leftist The book radical nation you can get on Amazon.com You can get it Barnes and noble Costco any major bookstore I want to encourage you to grab a copy now You can get it on my social sites such as they are because I resigned Facebook and Twitter a long time ago I agree with you on the corporations and I would add one other thing They know what those shareholder meetings that the left shows up They shut up and moss They pressure the board we don't And one of the things I'm pushing for now is we have to fight every aspect of what takes place in this culture now not just in the classrooms we need to go into these corporate board meetings now We need to make demands that they focus on business and stuff I talk about this at the end of the book There is a group called second vote advisers That's what they're doing And I happen to know who they are and they are terrific You're right They are terrific I think you're absolutely right The last chapter of the book Mark I'll tell you this is a call to action because we can not just read things and say I get it We must act Good idea Sean Spicer radical nation I encourage people to get it Thank you sir Thank you All right be well All right I want to tell you about the media research center Every time someone correctly states that Facebook Twitter Google YouTube all the rest of them Any of these other tech tyrants is censoring conservatives the media downplay it and act like what we're making it up So the MRC is part of their free speech America project created a database they call censor track to document every verifiable instance of conservatives being censored by these tech companies This is so good That I put the link in the back of my book American Marxism It is so good You have to check this out The sensor track site Now they've got nearly 3000 documented cases of conservatives being blocked banned and suspended penalized flagged or hidden from their followers And you can learn more about 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MSNBC's Jonathan Capehart Demonstrates Harmful Effects of Critical Race Theory

Mark Levin

01:18 min | 11 months ago

MSNBC's Jonathan Capehart Demonstrates Harmful Effects of Critical Race Theory

"Go ahead Play on racial fears for political gain And let's be clear We're all scared to death at you Sick bastard as far as I'm concerned you're absolutely unhinged And this is what's being taught in the classroom This is what's being taught This kind of stuff For Michael Eric Dyson and Jonathan cape heart go ahead Having some of your best friends be black or family members being black guy a big in my view Just look how he creates this projection onto quote unquote white people having some black friends or black people By the way this is critical race theory too Just so you understand What I'm talking about individuals whether they have black friends or brown friends we're not talking about individual When we talk about white supremacy we're not talking about the clan or the neo Nazis No no no We're talking about the broader white race the white dominant people The white supremacy that went on that founded this nation don't you understand What are you a blackhead Don't you get it And nothing can change that unless we turn the country upside down Don't you see

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on Tracing The Path

Tracing The Path

05:55 min | 1 year ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Tracing The Path

"Bond he modeled the character after his memories. A bulldog drummond and people he'd met in the war bill. Dundee deal was one of them. He'd been a spy for six. He wore. Cufflinks was regularly chauffeured in a rolls royce and sir william samuel stevenson a spy for the british who was also a flying ace in the sop with camel scoring twelve aerial victories before being shut. Down independent publisher. Jonathan cape took an interest. In fleming's novel though small he was the publisher of t lawrence. hd wells h l mencken robert frost margaret mead. James joyce and roll doll. He would also be the publisher of james bond between nineteen fifty three and nineteen sixty one. Ian would publish ten bond novels to mixed reviews.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

06:54 min | 1 year ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

"To have to pay to work there and get a vaccine. Take a test take a test. Every we crazy. I i would say i would say a thriller. Well it is. It is because people are dying so people are still dying out here and in the wintertime is coming in no by the vaccine yet. No i don't know about that. I don't know if everyone's dying with the thing and that's what the problem is that there's so many people are still contract on men and it's still spreading even with people vaccinated. They had a whole town that was all vaccinated but the towns and they still have a break for the hospital. Hospital is full now. You talked about a town of beginning hospitalized because it lets. You talked about wires. People in the hospital wi- jesse jackson in the hospital to january chain. Where you still hold on you and that's one thing i want to talk to you about real quick. You talked about a story last week in the town of massachusetts that That the whole town got infected. Cine you did a story about that and and our math johnson gate. Jonathan cape supposed to call him. He's from massachusetts as well and he said that that was absolutely correct with the story that you share but the problem with that was a a resort town in a lot of people come in there on the weekends and stay there and the infection rate wind up high because everybody from all over the country would come to this town to stay for the weekend and that's why the town got infected exploded with kobe but my question is again like i've been saying all the time with this. We shall out the room. And i need to know was the confirmed deaths of of the vaccine. How many people have actually died recorded deaths on a death certificate from this vaccine we have all these discussions system. We have the we discussed this a lot. And it's all good and it should be discussed because will be going through it everyday. But i need to know how many recorded deaths after the fact would the the vaccine. I still don't know that number we could we could eat. We could easily off a narrative. Finish let me just finish. Won't say let me this. We can easily see it. Goes down to trusting the data. some people just don't trust data some people don't trust surveys and i get that but we do know is that you can clearly research the numbers. I say respectively of deaths from from covert you can easily just they got apps with people with covert have ads with people with That's passed away. I say this all condolences to folk to pass away with kobe. Does numbers are easily researched with no discrepancies with it. But they should have. Someone died of the vaccine. That number should be there to the number on the bayer says we started. We talked about it before. Court could ask seen adverse reaction they what so how many how many desk they have yesterday because you can you can easily research and like i say this respectfully shout out there and we're gonna move on with this. We talked about this the whole day. You can easily go to the site and see how many people died of the cove. Yesterday you can easily go and see that house so my question to you is this. How many died yesterday. Seen from the vaccine you can go on. The mayor's on right now right now either. Fats shot out. So why don't you go on there and your free time when you have time to look at it and we can't say that. What do you go onto. Look who diamond. you'll just go. it just comes right out. Does it such as google while we shot out the room and tell me how many people died in the state of pennsylvania yesterday from cova no from no so no no know how many people died yesterday. Last people died. Yes cardinals because you find. Let's start with that okay. Cool and then from there. I just need to know how many people certified deaths of state that's a minimal amount. No i'm not going to say. I don't do other side when when they were giving back hours after getting the ice. Believe okay three hours. She got you. Okay okay i give you one. I'll give you weren't partner bobby. Hollywood people dismiss hold on. I'm not sitting party. How many people died yesterday of or or last week of of covert in this country and then then before we deflect listeners if you would like to v. e. r. s. You can look it up your set so me that one and now well no i wanna to go. You'll just continue to get your mother. No no getting in jack. Not any of that city city if you so well-versed on all of this information have all the house so if you so well versed on this you should automatically these on. This is how many people died of the vaccine justice. I don't care that's their business. But i'm just saying i understand. Were to not going. But i'm saying you should notice. Used to say sean. This is how many people that has nothing to do with me. Because i never been into that. Excuse talking about walking into walking about search ready for you. Excuse me why do i need to. I'm saying told.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

04:59 min | 1 year ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

"Jonathan cape part in. This is cape up. The republican party is still in thrall to donald trump. A man who turned generations of the party's stances on its head in one presidential term for stuart. Stevens rock ribbed republican who has helped to elect republicans at all levels of government including president of the united states. This led to some soul searching. The result is his book. it was all a lie. how the republican party became donald trump. This conversation with stevens is from last september but everything we talked about especially the ugly role. The republican party is still relevant. Today you can hear it. All right now stewart stevens. Thank you.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

01:57 min | 1 year ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

"It's carlos watson carlos watson show from ozzy's back with the brand new season. The time called an anderson cooper meat so we have real conversations with the voices that man of flake cardi b. or friend. John legend about this part of my life. You have and gabrielle. Union exists billy crystal ali. That hug whispers little and that's what he called me. Carlos watson show watched by over one hundred million viewers every weekday on youtube. And wherever. you get your podcasts. Now it's time for the last word with the great jonathan cape filling in for large tonight. Good evening jonathan. Nice to see you. It is great to see rachel. Thank you very much. Welcome back from your well earned vacation. Thank you my friend thank you. Thanks all right. Have a good weekend and breaking news tonight. The pfizer vaccine could be fully. Fda approved as soon as monday. Millions of people have received. The two does pfizer vaccine under emergency use authorization. The mar- maderna's vaccine is expected to be fully approved in the fall. Experts believe full approval will make a difference in convincing some people to get vaccinated but perhaps more importantly it could lead to a surge in vaccine mandates. Today the cdc reported one hundred thirty five thousand four hundred ninety four new cases of corona virus today in the united states across the nation the weekly average for covert hospitalizations is eleven thousand five. Hundred twenty one. That's an increase of fourteen point two percent from the week before in six states alabama florida louisiana mississippi oregon and washington new admissions of patients with corona virus are currently at their highest level since the start of the pandemic hospitalization infection rates for children are also on the rise. Nbc news reporting as of wednesday. Us hospitals were tending to an average of more than one thousand two hundred.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on VINTAGE Podcast

VINTAGE Podcast

03:47 min | 1 year ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on VINTAGE Podcast

"Also conversation castle i think could become more apparent. You do have lots in common. I think i should say that. Of course we're celebrating one years of jonathan cape and we bought youtube together as two writers working in different forms in different parts of the world. But it struck us that you had shared concerns and i noticed that there was that there is an acting and mothers. Yeah exactly more aside. I ching on with the best foot forward with optimistic things. But i i was going to ask you about family. That's why i wanted to ask start a conversation because it. It does seem to me that you're both interested in the dynamics of family life. And how family life shapes a psyche. Whether that's told fire a graphic memoir or novel and it is customary at such moments to quote tolstoy about unhappy families. And how much more interesting than happy families but thinking about you know about happy holidays. I mean you know what did he. What did he think about walls. He was himself array peculiar father. Did he go visiting and go. Oh that's a lovely happy family. I couldn't drive anywhere. Very i agree. I mean i was gonna ask you exactly this. That distinction seems forty simple for the two of you but paps all families are to some degree unhappy. And and for both of you. The family unit seems to be a crucible for imagination for creativity. Whatever is something profound and complicated comes from the family. And that's why. I wanted to start by asking you as writers. What is it that you see in the family. I'm maybe you go first on first of all. It's it's availability okay. The research is easy. It's not as if you have to go out on an figure. Something is ancient greece or anything. It's just or actually in ancient greece. They also had families. I've talked about this quite a lot of years. And i and i know less of is at the more. The more it's discussed people described the family and the gathering is dysfunctional. And i thought well they're doing all right. Actually you know most of them. There were twelve for them and they were. They were they were. They were following. I didn't know walsh functioning. Dysfunctioning might be about. There is a kind of language of being nice which is new and pitches. Welcome but when i grew up people were just as terrible as they wanted to be. Sort of like you know. That's how i feel. And therefore that's what i say and i'm interested in those kind of families Apart from anything out in my own life. Of course. I'm more interested in being nice. That's no answer told china. I mean it's like what else is there apart from from. What else is there. You know you're talking to an audience in manhattan are london and they might look blankly to about family but if you go anywhere outside the elise core of the first world everybody in the audience nods you go to any other country and they know executor talking about the ties that are so different content that on so rewarding or not that. They're hard to leave and stay all about. It's our drama. It's how we grow up and every family is a novel. It seems to be unhappy happy but listen do you think what what is it. The uc in the family. You know i have written as family memoirs not by sensitive deliberate choice strategy. But because it's something i it was like a giant burlap sack. I had to wrestle my way out.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

02:41 min | 1 year ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell

"About race in this country. Because as i said it's not even a millimeter beneath the service. Yeah and senator mccaskill The old saying that. A picture's worth a thousand. A thousand words. Those pictures of that crowd with their confederate flags. Each one of those pictures was worth a thousand of those racial epithets. That i for one have not surprised that that crowd was throwing around. Yeah and i think frankly lawrence the visuals that are now really on everyone's hard dry The the the confederate flags the the man hanging from the balcony in the senate the guy in the with no shirt in the animal horns on and and then the the violence says they broke through the doors and smashed glass that has been touched by hundreds of people since there by america to do their work It is it was Those visuals are never going away. Anyone who believes this is going to get swept under the rug. Doesn't understand the power of visuals. And i think this testimony today. Just absolutely augmented the visuals. We've all seen but those visuals will continue to be the most powerful way. America will remember what donald trump tried to do to america. On that day we're mccaskill. eugene robinson. Three eight wait to tell you go. I've got to congratulate you on your emmy nomination lawrence. Congratulations well deserved. I know that just came out today. And i didn't wanna get off tv tonight without telling you how proud i am to work at the same network that you work in my most sincere congratulations on your nomination. Okay so credit correction. Because this is what i looked like when i'm learning about an emmy nomination for the very first time it turns out it turns out it was in this timeslot but it was for a special by jonathan cape part and so well deserved and so i will bask in jonathan kaye. Parts reflected glow for earning that emmy nomination in this very time slot. So what you may be fact checking me lawrence but you still deserving emmy got one clermont casting ever guy you'll eugene robinson. Thank you both very much for joining us tonight. Really appreciate thank you and coming up. The justice department is not going.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

C-SPAN Radio

10:32 min | 2 years ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on C-SPAN Radio

"It is absolutely us against them. They and we are in his office for about 45 minutes, finally agreed to disagree. I knew when I got on the elevator, leaving he was going to try and Distort the media. So I've got on my shoulder at night and talked about the meeting and what I said. Of course, he tried to tweet that well, how shocked they would be and apologize What he's been saying. So rapid. That meeting you had with Trump, then private citizen Trump arranged by his fixed Ben fixer. Michael Cohen wasn't the first time That you had had interactions with with Trump or even met with Trump you right? In the beginning of the book about how after Trump won election he called you and wanted you to come wanted you to come to Trump Tower and meet with him. And if memory serves you said no. He called me about 30 days around that time after the election news president let And I've been on morning, Joe this morning talking value, and he called me and clam Bruce guy, I would if I was in a board meeting of National network, I look and I see this number. And I just Ah, didn't answer. Then call right back. I didn't recognize the number and I picked up and I said I'm gonna board meeting. I can't talk on the phone and the phone back up again. The voice would you along for the president elect, so I'm kind of look and I step outside of the board. Our meeting, and I said yes. And he comes on al. I watched one of George's one. And you're right. I'm out of a guy like you are and look at you now, and he went on his holes. Brandon. Oh, shit. Hey says I want you to come to Marlon wasn't trump way. We need the trial. We need to leave you You're gonna find you can work with me. I said I am not coming doing a for O r. I'm not doing that on. Don't you going to do the things that I believed then? And I still them and absolutely outraged his whole birtherism that you wrote to the wise, I'll You know me. I know you. We can talk and I and I wouldn't go and I refused to meet with him. And I'm not with him since when animal Rose was still working for him, he said that we're convention speech. He's reached out seven times. The only time I've spoken with him since he's been president was at the beginning of the Corona virus, a pandemic. I was concerned, and they were not testing. The homeless and incarcerated and I call the White House. I was doing my radio show one day and I was talking about it, and I said, I'm going to put in as a matter of record that I called. The president called the White House and I left the lessons that I was concerned about the testing off those that were incarcerated because they can't social distance, then jail. And I was concerned about the homeless because that's all you was in the streets of New York at the time was homeless people. Everybody else was locked in to my surprise about three hours. Then he called me that. And I said to him what my concerns Wass and he said, I hear you're not making any commitments, but I hear you and I explain why I so you got to do this because the human beings they can't socially distance in jail and homeless people go have on the facility's going untested and he's been program on it. All right now we'll follow up. And in the when I checked, you show sometimes you kind of hard on me. But a few over there with the Raiders derogatory statement about enlisting, you see, and we hung up, and that's the only can you not talk off by phone or in person says he's been president. But I am absolutely convinced that Donald Trump is a big that who he is. He's comfortable with it, and he's unapologetic about The Reverend Al Sharpton in conversation. Would Jonathan Cape part of the Washington Post his book rise up? You know, One of the other meetings that you write about is meetings when you bumped into each other. It was one of the anniversaries of tape. 40th anniversary of SNL and Sarah Palin was there on the red carpet and the two of you talked. You say he grabbed your Grab you in a vice like grip and pulled you in close smile and was after the meeting that Michael Kahn, it's after the Michael come in and wait for the new ones. After that, and I going down the red carpet ran in the same family and we find everybody's in the actual big studio that They did the 40th anniversary And as I'm going to my c, I see Trump and he said there was way and I said, Okay, this is good, because I've been pounding on him since that meeting, and he leaned over. He was sitting like on the front row of this section. He leaned over the rarely and I stopped and he grabbed me from shape of group and he looked at me and he says, You gotta do what you gotta do. And I gotta do it. I've got to do And that's when I knew he was committed that he was going to use this big, innit Birtherism line and whatever else to go all the way where he was going politically, And then he was not formally running. But it was cream is going to run for president. I say he's dug in, and I'm not. I said All right, we'll do. We gotta do and I walked under my seat. And that was it. You know, we're gonna use the time that we have remaining to talk about you on what you write about yourself in the book. One of the things that I found really interesting was the advice you got from Corretta Scott King. Has he pulled, pulled you aside and sat you down, which is why I was going to be a nice, amiable conversation. But it was a whole lot more than that, Wasn't it? Well, the country's is a Sze Yu know what many viewers made is that I started in the King movement in the north. I was born raised in Brooklyn. And so I was always a huge admirer of Dr King. I was you corrected 30 Years old of the New York chapter. Of his organization, and so I always wanted to the close with the King family. They were totally are moving royalty and I started working in my twenties with Martin Luther were about two or three years apart. And he kind of like, got me and his mother together. She finally convinced her in the late nineties to come to the national Convention, and she agreed Aquino outdone of that year and I went up to get her to come down and she says she had a very regal presence, she said. Sit down a minute out who set out And I was thinking we would go through the niceties and she started saying explained to me what she did in this case friended me what she did in this Who will explain to me this Why did you say this? Why did you use this language and I would start explaining is, she says, But you come out of the king tradition. We don't use those Those kind of words. We may have these feelings, but we don't say things that could be misinterpreted. In a simple, Mrs Cheyney and I would try to explain and rationalize and she wouldn't by any of my rationalize and she finally lean forward in the chances. Don't you understand? Words have power. And Martin is sitting nearby. And she really said to me if you're going to help you and Mai.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

07:22 min | 2 years ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"Poverty of homelessness afflicting black brown and indigenous people, the most A crisis of hunger. Afflicting one in five mothers who have Children that are hungry. And tragically. More than 165,000 lives that have been cut short at the White House. President Trump made his own argument against the Democrats talking aboutthe way. Harris questioned his Supreme Court nominee, Brett Kavanaugh. She was extraordinarily nasty, too. Cavanaugh. Judge Cavanaugh. Then now Justice Cavanaugh. She was nasty to a level that was just a horrible thing. The way she was, well, if we sometimes do on Fridays were going to talk about the weekend politics, including the state of the presidential race, with two analysts Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart and New York Times columnist David Brooks. Good to have you both here. Thanks. Biden seemed to be in a strong position before he named Harris. What do we do you make of his choice of putting her on the ticket. David, What's your reaction? You know, the 1st 48 hours. When you pick a vice president are super crucial. Does the party get a jolt of energy? Does some scandal arises there a media frenzy and by that standard, the picking of Harris has to be regarded as a just a tremendous success. The Democrats do seem genuinely excited to raise $40 million there's really no clear line of opposition. The Republicans have Two other political things I like about the way they handled it first is they honored all the runner ups, so Susan Rice and all the others who didn't quite make it feel where were praised, and I think their stature has been enhanced by the process. The second thing is, they seem to understand Harris's down side, which is she ran a very poor campaign disorganized for Stanford suspect And they apparently made it clear in the selection that there would not be a separate Harris staff. There would be just one Biden, Harris staff and Biden would have control over the staff and she wouldn't be able to bring all the California people with her so all in all I have to say quite impressive job. Interesting. Jonathan. What's your Take? I agree with what David said. And I would add this that Senator Harris was the common sense choice. And I say that because I think the American electorate has become so skeptical and cynical about politics At the many times they've seen a politician instead of taking the common sense route or making the common sense choice. They picked the one that's the most complicated. So when a politician actually does make the common sense choice It's surprising and it's thrilling, and that's what we saw when. When Vice President Biden picked Senator Harris, I think that's ah lot of the fuel behind the energy and excitement we've seen over the last 48 hours. You know part of President. Trump's reaction has included speculation with no basis in fact, about whether Harris meets the constitutional requirements for a vice presidential candidate, and we want to be very clear she is qualified. She was born in Oakland, California. Do either of you think this is going to have an impact? T either help or hurt the President. Jonathan, you wanna go first? I would hope that it hurts the president. But we have to keep in mind that this is something that he used really? To propel himself into presidential politics by using the racist Birther lie against then president Barack Obama, so the fact that he and some others are trotting it out as a way of trying to delegitimize Senator Harris is not surprising. I do think that is it. It is incumbent upon not just the buying harriscampaign to push back against it. But for Republicans of conscience and then Americans of conscience To say no, Mr President. This is not the way you should be running your reelection campaign. David, do you think this Birtherism 2.0, if you want to call it that will land differently in 2020 than the first version did when President Obama was in office. Yeah, it's so obvious. I mean, if you're born in the U s your citizens, so this is so uncomplicated. What strikes me is the secondary critique that she's nasty and what's always been interesting when Harris since she burst on the scene is most politicians are conflict divers. They hate personal conflict in person, especially And she's not. She's committee hearings as a prosecutor, a za regulator. She she's willing to go toe to toe right in the room with people and it's her toughness that I think is actually Hey, her best quality, if if harnessed wealth by the Biden campaign and the Biden presidency and the thing that that Trump should fear because he's up against and he and Mike Pence are up against a genuinely tough character. Let me ask you both about the questions around the U. S. Postal Service whether they will be able to manage a deluge of mail in ballots in November and whether President Trump is openly trying to undermine them. I mean, Here's what he told Fox business If they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail in voting because they're not equipped, tohave it those two items being money for mail in voting and money for the post office. Then here's what he said just a few hours later about the Democrats request. I can understand the post office and if we could agree to a bill the overall bill, which is obviously a much bigger number than just the post office, that would be fine, but they have the post office as one of their requests. It's their request. You said you were against it, didn't you? I'm only against what I'm against is I'm against doing anything where people aren't taking care of the people are being taken care of properly. This is very hard to parse. But just today, we learned the Postal Service has warned 46 states that some mail in ballots may not be counted. Jonathan how much of a threat is this to election integrity? This is a threat. A major threat to election integrity. Leave aside the arguments over over. You know what should be in the relief package that you know, you just heard the president talked about. Apparently, a postal officials said, You know, leave aside the money we can handle this. But the problem is six with 671 sorting machines being removed as we speak. They handle 21.4 million pieces of paper mail per hour. And so it's about more than the funding your saying. I want to give David the final words here are last 30 seconds or so What's your take on this? Yeah, You know, male the number of bail pieces there is down by 1/3. So the Postal Service has to adjust to that reality, but to do it just before an election when we have going to have a massive male coming in all the end seems to be Poor timing, to say the least. It's David Brooks in The New York Times and Jonathan Cape part of The Washington Post. Thank you both have a great weekend. Thanks. Sorry. Thank you. A year ago, there was an international outcry over a surge in the number of fires in the Brazilian Amazon. Now, as fire season gets underway there, the rainforest is facing the threat of even more destruction. In the 1st 10 days of this month, more than 10,000 fires were detected. NPR's Philip Reeve says that number's up from last year. Fire season in the Amazon is off to a terrible start. Brazil's environmentalists are worried its president is not so it's a start up my own yard. You full l my main Tita. This story that Amazon is going up in flames is alive, says J. R, But we must combat this with true numbers, he says. The numbers that.

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The eerie similarities between the killings of Ahmaud Arbery and Trayvon Martin

Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

07:24 min | 2 years ago

The eerie similarities between the killings of Ahmaud Arbery and Trayvon Martin

"I'm Jonathan Cape Part and this is Cape Up Benjamin crump. In attorney for the family of Ahmad arbitrary is perfectly clear on his view of what happened to the twenty five year old Black Man jogging near his Georgia home. On February twenty third chased him let community until they caught up with and then they executed him like a modern day. Mitch if crump's name sounds familiar. It's because he was the lawyer for the family of Trayvon Martin. The seventeen year old shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida on February. Twenty Sixth Twenty twelve listen to crump talk about the eerie similarities between the February. Twenty twenty killing of the MoD arbitrary and the February twenty twelve killings of Trayvon Martin. Right Down Attorney Benjamin crump thank you very much for coming on the PODCAST. Thank you fabric down at their decades covering. They're for the story. So you and I got to know each other eight years ago because of the the killing of trayvon Martin and the similarities between the killing of Trayvon Martin and the killing of a Marbury are really. It's kind of Irie. Could you bring us up to up to speed on on the facts of the case as as we talk right? Now I'll tell you have ever similar those fat X. Between tricky behind and Ahmad Aubrey navigate tragically Ahmad. Aubrey was changed by a murderous duo of FOB. Said to a Gregory and Travis met Michaels and another man then William Brian who has yet to be arrested ads on this day. He is alleged to beat the individuals driving other a ambushed Ahmad and was taken the video recording of this execution ago. By saying a I have a teacher Johnson and Jive was on and he was a person who with are routinely. He liked to stay in shape as many people. A heat with said show as for whatever reasons we believe. We know why they did it but they suspected him of a burglary and a jumped into their pickup truck shotgun. Jonathan and a three fifty seven magnum and they chased him that community into they caught up with him and then they execute it him like a modern day mentioned. And we see on that. Video is so tragic Washing see that video. You can't see and that's what happens. We watched the execution of his young on all black man killed. We believe because he was racially profile. And the police show up and they take the words of the killer's apparently because the killers are allowed to go home and sleep in their bed. Bites while on. Albury is taken to the more you know There are so many things here In the The facts of the case that you just spelled out and I just want it there. Is the police report as it was filed in the moments after after the shooting after the killing where it says the witnesses said that arbitrary looked like a suspect who had been Breaking into that particular house and that They saw him quote unquote hauling ass down the street and when you look at the video I WanNa talk about how we got this video to begin with but when you look at the video. He's not hauling. Ass Johnson. He's doing what most people in America he is. Simply interest is and you know you put in contact. They come up with some a believable reasons. The killers down. It's you'd think about a walking while driving while black Both in general it is apartment literal while blatch Trae Bob more walking home while blatch may is submitted things Attia Jefferson sitting in her house living while black and now we come to Amman Albury and he's just Jonathan Wa black. They suspected him for that. All right let's talk about the McMichael's Chavis Michael Is the person who had the shotgun And fired the shots. That killed Ahmed Arbitrary and George. Mcmichael is the father who is standing in the back of the pickup truck with a three fifty seven magnum. A talk about why Gregory McMichael in particular is problematic in this case. Certainly we believe that the police did not arrest these murderous fob and said do also the cost Gregory met. Michael was a former police officer and had a thirty year. Employment will as a detected as a DA with the local district attorney. Glenn cowards so we believe they did not want to arrest their friends their colleagues and so that is what reason. We suspect Jonathan that they didn't arrest him. The other reason is even more heinous. We believe because Aubrey was a young for American that the police simply took the word of his white careless that he was up to no good that he was committing a burglary without doing any of appropriate investigation. Apparently because you know if he was A. Where's the burglar's mask? Where's the Burgers toes whereas the burger bags you know whereas the incident allegations of burglaries in this neighborhood? In the past says they suspended he had committed burglaries before. Or is it simply? They know that he wasn't a burger but it didn't matter because they had made a decision that they were not going to rest their France. Who happened to me? The killing this young black man

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How Michigan's governor is battling coronavirus

Cape Up with Jonathan Capehart

09:34 min | 2 years ago

How Michigan's governor is battling coronavirus

"Jonathan Cape Heart. Welcome to this special edition of Cape. Up Two separate interviews with two elected officials in two different jurisdictions dealing with the corona virus. Pandemic Governor Gretchen of Michigan and Chicago. Mayor Lori. Lightfoot the start with Governor Whitmer who after instituting one of the strictest. Stay at home. Orders in the nation is getting set to review them and ask her why after all the attacks and president trump. She's polling better than him in a brand new Fox News. Poll Governor Whitman. Thank you very much for coming on the PODCAST. Client to be with him. So you have one of the strictest. Stay at home orders and now word comes that you're now reevaluating that stay at home order. What's changed to make that possible so I think you know? I want to assure kind of the rational. Why we have one of the strictest. Stay home orders. Michigan is the tenth most populous state in the nation. And yet we had the third highest death in the nation and that's something that It has just absolutely devastated. Communities across my state created an incredible amount of fear and concern and we know that Cova nineteen was spreading far and wide long before it was ever detected via test so it took actions to keep people safe and there are more restrictive than other states but I thought that it was absolutely essential after a few weeks of the stay home pasture. We have seen our trajectory. Really Start to flatten. We've saved lives on one of the things about Public Health when you're successful. You've never able to really quantify precisely. How many lives he saved. But we know that. This strategy is working here in Michigan. Every day. We're learning more about Kobe. Bank teen we are crunching the data. We are learning more through increased testing. We're not where we want to be your where we need to be as a nation and sterling. That's that's true in Michigan as well but we are seeing This data that gives us Optimism and so as we evaluate extending the stay home order. We're also an a moment where we can evaluate if there are some things that we might Lighten up on not dramatic changes but changes. That may bring us more in line with some of our our other states and so this is a moment where alphabet evaluation is happening. I'm GonNa make a very Thoughtful data driven determination that centered around promoting public health but also ensuring that people are still eager to abide by the stay home. Stay safe order. I think that's always the balance fat that we have to do here to make sure that we keep compliance than and we keep giving people confidence that we've got a strategy to re-engage in a very thoughtful safe manner so this is not a just so that no one thinks that you're gonNA completely junk your stay at home order. This is. This is going to be something. That is gradual. Sure yes absolutely. This is we're going to look at it. I think the trump administration says as a some people say we're GONNA open stages I like the visual of waves were We're surrounded by the great late. So I'm always thinking in those terms but I do think that we are going to be very thoughtful. We're GONNA have to measure every step of the way There will be you know it'll be necessary that we're nimble if we see a spike Dr. Start to happen that we pull back when necessary that if we are continuing to see success as we open things up where numbers stay down in our ability to meet the needs in our hospitals that are PPA. Needs are much than we can. Take the next step forward. But I think that the the leader's epidemiology and and health sciences across our country are advocating. That is the best practice to avoid a second wave and I hope even if you're a dissenter of the current stay home order we can all agree that avoided. A second wave is the most critical thing that we need to do. It will save lives but it would be absolutely devastated under economies Leeann. A second wave two so you are a part of a compact of states and correct me if I'm wrong. Great Lakes Region Governors who have joined together in sort of dealing with the with the pandemic at can that compact that you're in hold if each of you opens up your respective economies separately or are you given the evaluate reevaluation that you're undertaking and the one that Governor Dewine Ohio is undertaking are those being coordinated so that way these the waves of reevaluation as you put it are all being done in. Concert saved us. You know one of the things that I have found incredibly helpful in these unprecedented times is that I've got group of governors with whom I can share information and data and our thoughts and learn from and I think it's made all of our determinations better the fact that we've got an open dialogue and it's open with Democrats and Republicans. I think that's really important when I pulled kids out of schools here in Michigan as one of the first states to do that and immediately got a call for my friend. Jay Pritzker governor of Illinois. Same tell me. Your thought process did you. What are your experts telling you because they were contemplating it but I had made the decision and they wanted to understand you know weeks later. Maybe a week later when he decided to close bars in Illinois and Mike Dewine closed bars in Ohio and they made the restaurants dine out. Only I got on the phone with both of eminent said. Tell me your thought process. Tell me what you're seeing so I think that the sharing of information has been incredibly helpful. There are many people who can understand all the pressures that we are under but we certainly can understand it from one another and in the global pandemic were all in the in the same situation and we've got similar economies and so I think that's important. That's what really drove Reaching out and trying to get everyone to join this kind of Compact that doesn't mean that when I make a decision in Michigan Kentucky Ohio Indiana Minnesota Wisconsin Illinois. We're going to make the same exact decision at the same cadence but what it does mean is that we are having those robust conversations. I am organizing it. So we're getting on the phone regularly and our teams are as well so that our sharing at we are learning from one another and it makes all of our decisions that are informed and I think better decisions you you created the Michigan Corona virus taskforce on racial disparities and it's dedicated to the memory of Schuyler. Herbert who had five years old is the youngest person to dive the corona virus in in Michigan. It's the Task Force is headed up by your Lieutenant Governor. Why is this task force important sort of a leading question? But I'll have you hold forth. Well you know So you know governor Garland Gilchrist as the chair of this task force and one of the things that I'm really proud that we did in Michigan. We were one of the first states to do it. And frankly not Everyone has followed suit and I'm hopeful that eventually we'll have every state following suit but we've been releasing racial data on our current virus cases now even when it's not completely full because we do have a lot of Tests that were conducted on. The race was not noted early on in the process by gathering. This data has really put a spotlight. On the fact that we've got a disparate health outcomes and anyone who studied it anyone who's been paying attention isn't surprised by that but I think I think the surprise is that is so desperate that fourteen percent of the Michigan population is African American and yet forty percent of the deaths from Kobe. Nineteen are African American. And I think that that's something that we absolutely have to in this crisis. Learn the lesson and make them. Societal changes to improve outcomes and to have real equity meister. I gave a few months ago. It feels like a lifetime ago. Now highlighted. Is that a good part of my save. The state addressing the dispirit outcomes for women of Color and babies of color is three times more dangerous Three times more deadly for a woman of color to have a baby in Michigan than it is for women. And there's implicit bias. There there are a lot of contributing factors. I think it's incumbent on every leader. Everyone who has a position of authority to understand that? That's an issue that there's a problem and we've got to fix it and I think this is held a mirror up to our country and really magnified The the historic racial discrepancies. That we have in our society and fix them

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

12:39 min | 2 years ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

"Because it must be really frustrating to work long and hard on a on a super hard puzzle and then it turns Out that it's something that any buddy any colorblind person can solve right or did it get solved in the first hour when you when you throw a million monkeys at a problem. The problem gets solved. I actually did one of these puzzle hunts in Smithsonian magazine a few years ago there was themed around American history and I liked how it turned out the way that they published it online. unbeknownst to me kind of created a way to back solve the Puzzle Reich such that when the when the final puzzle was printed people already had ninety nine percent of the answer lined up and ready to go and so there was just a rush of dozens of people submitting the right answer and the lesson I took away is that the mob is always smarter than us a hundred times smarter than doesn't matter if you were on jeopardy. They just do the they do a reverse image search on Google and you're like no do it the other way do it the fun way. And that's actually what happened in the case of of this book masquerade. Kit was a fine artist but not a puzzle guy and he did not he was not one of these British people that does the cryptic crossword every Sunday and loves the little riddles in the Daily Telegraph. He did not have he wanted to make. It was a children's Ledesma. He wanted the puzzles to be fair enough. That maybe a ten year old would solve it. Or maybe Stephen Hawking would solve it you know uh-huh puzzle nerds. He wanted to be for everyone right. And if you look at the paint the paintings today are just are just gorgeous. But they're incredibly detailed detailed. His style was perfect for this. Because he would load the whole thing with clues and misdirection there. No instructions You just got these beautiful paintings and said hey somewhere somewhere in the United Kingdom there's a rabbit it's going to be on public ground a jewelled rabbit you'll rabbit is hidden somewhere on public property and this book will will unlock concealed old within. Yes and there. Were little false. Clues people fixated on a little painting An aerial painting of British countryside. and which you can see a football pitch. It's been divided into squares and numbers painted on them and people knew that had to be the answer. Because there's numbers on the ground. This is x marking the spot and it turns out the numbers. burs were chemical elements fluorine aluminum selenium. And when you spell them out it said something like false clue move on you can spend years on on your theories because there was a there was a fish that said six thousand a and six thousand extremes is the wavelength of red light. That's literally a red herring right there. uh-huh glasses were also so he does. He has a sense of humor and he is. He's a word play guy himself. Yes and there's there's words are written around each picture. Some of the letters are highlighted. So there's obviously levels of concealed message and cryptic stuff going in on. There's there's layers to unveil irresistible to the right kind of brain and the night before not in the in the weeks leading up to this contest. Beginning he does that coincide with the publishing of the book like the days came out a huge media rush and so the funny thing is this is the late seventies which is one of many semi dystopia times in the United Kingdom of the twentieth century. Right in which which unemployment was off the charts labor relations and the end times. We're not pretty costly in the twentieth century. That's what the if you watch the crown. That's it's the kind of the subtext of the show almost fell apart every five years. I thought that the kind of the subtext of the crown was that the royal family were amazed even though every are you troubled even though they were really sad all the time at the end of the day they were it was their stiff upper lip that got them through all the shopping center openings. They're heroes Except for Prince Philip. WHO's awful he's he's have you seen the new ones? He's kind of sympathetic getting there. He's getting there. The Anglican Church tries is to save his. His putrid corrupts. The what was I think. Oh so there was a labor strike. There's a massive media strike the same week. The book is released. The I think the observer is set to do a big excerpt and get people excited and there's a BBC documentary and the same week. That media rush happens. All the competition is off the air to deliver unrest so the Sunday Times is not deserve the only option. ITV's off the air. BBC ABC is the only option. So essentially there's everyone is focused. State media is looking at this book called masquerade and so then the hair has been hidden for many years before kit and a girlfriend had a picnic somewhere in Bedfordshire and he found this spot with a perfect which spot and he stuck his pen knife in the ground and then stuck a magnet. You know in the in the spotlight vice penknife so later with a with a with another magnet he could find the exact act perfect spot and in the dead of night he takes the hair to this field in Bedfordshire. So what is the what the origin story of the hair. It's a it's a fancy rabbit it's offensive it's beautiful. He's he's a if you look at his modern work. He's kind of painting into weird frames and altarpieces. He likes the work. Not just be a window into a world but to actually look like an artifact so he's a jeweler as well. The hair is a has dangling pieces with little wheels and gears and it's is our moonstone wound stones and it's inlaid with mother of Pearl and it's it's got a it's got a ruby on it in jingles one celled but he He packs it in what he he seals it in wax and puts the whole thing into a terra cotta kind of artistic looking pouch to foil metal detectors ceramic. It's like the Ceramic Glock in in the in the line of fire on the plane and it says I am the keeper. I am the keeper of the jewel of the masquerade which lies waiting safe inside me for you or eternity because maybe it'll never be found you know. Is it going to be found in six weeks or is it going to be found in eight hundred years when they built a shopping center there right and Queen Elizabeth Age. Five hundred comes is to open it. So so did the rabbit itself have clues embedded in it or with it that would allow you you too. Back would allow a person five hundred years from now not to find the source accidental silver just finds a fake leather pouch made of ceramics filled with wax. And then this astonishing rabbit that appears to come from no period at all happens with geocaching. People will find an accidental often often. If you go to the geocaching website people will be like. Hey I found this thing in a tree stump during a hike and then I went online to see what the heck geocaching number. PK to one. Eight six six is you know. And that's how they get involved so you could potentially find it accidentally which again we'll plan to our story His publisher realized he should have a witness to go with him to to to do the burial. He refuses to take a camera crew. He's very secretive. They want the Archbishop of Canterbury. They want the governor of the Bank of England or whatever but they they settle for bamber GASCOYNE. If you were from Britain you would know the name. He's he's essentially there. Alex Trebek's right. He's an academic who hosted university challenge. Remember remember him did you. Were you ever on university challenge. I Love I love you. I know Hodgman's been on. They never have. They never have Americans except for like the one weird American Eric into lives in the UK now and says it says all the words but in an American accent says sounds weird rich hall and he just does it. All it's Nicholas Hey wasn't we're told spend on. Qa He's that guy right rich hall. His residence in England resident America. They're American like funny man. When John Hodgman told me he'd been on that show? I was very very mad because I feel like I have a good. Qa resumes while they never reached out. I know it's in Cherry Hill. I love those British quiz shows and bamber Gascoyne was kind of their the guy so he and bamber dig the whole lay in the late in the hair fill it up and And Kit Williams brings a tupperware handed to to get us here. Drop this on top. He is brought from his home in Gloucestershire a A COW Pie. That he's going to put on top clever her discourage curiosity seekers into hide any signs of digging. Although does this area also have cows or would it be a completely like out out of place in a clue right. It's like I brought Eagle heard from the from Alaska. You can see somebody dipping in a finger like Sherlock Holmes. Homes are being like Watson these guernsey cattle only found on the isle of Guernsey. This is our spot. That's the speed and bamber. gascoyne instructed directed so instructed drops it from the height of a cow's Oh rectum in order to create a Splat a realistic SPLAT and then the media blitz begins and within two days. Jonathan Cape sells out of this book and has to go back to press press again and again they sell one million copies. WHOA masquerade? So this was this whole ploy go work on this for three years. It's a whole. It's a whole literally employ. Oy Oy Oy paid off yes. Jonathan Cape makes jillions of dollars and Kit Williams becomes a celebrity celebrity. He's a village suddenly on chat shows and ascend around the world because even though it's hidden someplace in the UK that has not stopped. A bunch of Americans sounds from horse reading the book. And be like look. It's gotta be under Nelson's column have to dig it up. You had to send a letter and tell him where or you'd found it in hindsight that's a terrible idea. He gets hundreds of letters. Why would you not insist that people go dealer because he wanted to keep people from digging up people's People's law? I think there is a legal issue. Maybe it's maybe it's to combat Ableson. You want everyone to be able to. It's an armchair but yes. I think there was a legal concern because what did happen. Was Britain got dug up. Hundreds of thousands of little holes appear a Derbyshire woman opens her door and a frogman wanting to dredge. Her Lake. A woman who was on if you had bought the house with the lake. That's your future woman who had the misfortune to have a topiary shaped like a rabbit. Had somebody just coming by every hour on the hour being found the rabbit of course because it was all amateurs. These were not puzzled. People who understood what the aesthetics would be these were surfaces being like. I've got stonehenge in the middle of Stonehenge. Let's go A Swiss tourist nearly drowns in Cornwall. When he's pushed up he lowers himself off a cliff to find what he thinks is the perfect spot and almost get splattered against the rocks? So are they finding the perfect spot based on having digested all the clues or are they find are they just like where would I hide. The book is so rich. Include that you can grasp on to any one thing a there's an American named it in Bemberg aspirins book about the fad. He this Guy Refuses to let him use his name. It's an American Richard. Dale students who really goes off the deep end because he becomes convinced. The book has has hidden meanings that are visible only to him voice guy who always had the potential for these kind of delusion. Such as possible schizophrenia. But he Manson's yes. The book is what brings it out and so suddenly he has all these delusions he in London he finds a he goes to London. Because Airlines are offering you know. Here's a cheap ticket and a free shovel and so American heading across the Atlantic in droves on this British Airways deal he finds a manhole goes down a manhole and finds a rock. DOC that he says says K. W. but no one can see it in his delusions become increasingly elaborate. He becomes convinced that Agatha Christie has created this puzzle for him in in her last act right and so he needs to read all her works and find out. If you take the first letter of each second paragraph he goes down literally a rabbit hole although the insanity that that feels like at least it would keep them from roaming around with a shovel trying to dig up. Nelson's column if he's if he has to read all about Agatha Christie's books yes you you really want that guy to have offline tools but kit wins getting hundreds of letters a day many from the same American woman who's just decided to send in every latitude tuned longitude combination in the British isles. And one of them. We'll be right..

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

10:24 min | 2 years ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

"Because it must be really frustrating to work long and hard on a on a super hard puzzle and then it turns Out that it's something that any buddy any colorblind person can solve right or did it get solved in the first hour when you when you throw a million monkeys at a problem. The problem gets solved. I actually did one of these puzzle hunts in Smithsonian magazine a few years ago there was themed around American history and I liked how it turned out the way that they published it online. unbeknownst to me kind of created a way to back solve the Puzzle Reich such that when the when the final puzzle was printed people already had ninety nine percent of the answer lined up and ready to go and so there was just a rush of dozens of people submitting the right answer and the lesson I took away is that the mob is always smarter than us a hundred times smarter than doesn't matter if you were on jeopardy. They just do the they do a reverse image search on Google and you're like no do it the other way do it the fun way. And that's actually what happened in the case of of this book masquerade. Kit was a fine artist but not a puzzle guy and he did not he was not one of these British people that does the cryptic crossword every Sunday and loves the little riddles in the Daily Telegraph. He did not have he wanted to make. It was a children's Ledesma. He wanted the puzzles to be fair enough. That maybe a ten year old would solve it. Or maybe Stephen Hawking would solve it you know uh-huh puzzle nerds. He wanted to be for everyone right. And if you look at the paint the paintings today are just are just gorgeous. But they're incredibly detailed detailed. His style was perfect for this. Because he would load the whole thing with clues and misdirection there. No instructions You just got these beautiful paintings and said hey somewhere somewhere in the United Kingdom there's a rabbit it's going to be on public ground a jewelled rabbit you'll rabbit is hidden somewhere on public property and this book will will unlock concealed old within. Yes and there. Were little false. Clues people fixated on a little painting An aerial painting of British countryside. and which you can see a football pitch. It's been divided into squares and numbers painted on them and people knew that had to be the answer. Because there's numbers on the ground. This is x marking the spot and it turns out the numbers. burs were chemical elements fluorine aluminum selenium. And when you spell them out it said something like false clue move on you can spend years on on your theories because there was a there was a fish that said six thousand a and six thousand extremes is the wavelength of red light. That's literally a red herring right there. uh-huh glasses were also so he does. He has a sense of humor and he is. He's a word play guy himself. Yes and there's there's words are written around each picture. Some of the letters are highlighted. So there's obviously levels of concealed message and cryptic stuff going in on. There's there's layers to unveil irresistible to the right kind of brain and the night before not in the in the weeks leading up to this contest. Beginning he does that coincide with the publishing of the book like the days came out a huge media rush and so the funny thing is this is the late seventies which is one of many semi dystopia times in the United Kingdom of the twentieth century. Right in which which unemployment was off the charts labor relations and the end times. We're not pretty costly in the twentieth century. That's what the if you watch the crown. That's it's the kind of the subtext of the show almost fell apart every five years. I thought that the kind of the subtext of the crown was that the royal family were amazed even though every are you troubled even though they were really sad all the time at the end of the day they were it was their stiff upper lip that got them through all the shopping center openings. They're heroes Except for Prince Philip. WHO's awful he's he's have you seen the new ones? He's kind of sympathetic getting there. He's getting there. The Anglican Church tries is to save his. His putrid corrupts. The what was I think. Oh so there was a labor strike. There's a massive media strike the same week. The book is released. The I think the observer is set to do a big excerpt and get people excited and there's a BBC documentary and the same week. That media rush happens. All the competition is off the air to deliver unrest so the Sunday Times is not deserve the only option. ITV's off the air. BBC ABC is the only option. So essentially there's everyone is focused. State media is looking at this book called masquerade and so then the hair has been hidden for many years before kit and a girlfriend had a picnic somewhere in Bedfordshire and he found this spot with a perfect which spot and he stuck his pen knife in the ground and then stuck a magnet. You know in the in the spotlight vice penknife so later with a with a with another magnet he could find the exact act perfect spot and in the dead of night he takes the hair to this field in Bedfordshire. So what is the what the origin story of the hair. It's a it's a fancy rabbit it's offensive it's beautiful. He's he's a if you look at his modern work. He's kind of painting into weird frames and altarpieces. He likes the work. Not just be a window into a world but to actually look like an artifact so he's a jeweler as well. The hair is a has dangling pieces with little wheels and gears and it's is our moonstone wound stones and it's inlaid with mother of Pearl and it's it's got a it's got a ruby on it in jingles one celled but he He packs it in what he he seals it in wax and puts the whole thing into a terra cotta kind of artistic looking pouch to foil metal detectors ceramic. It's like the Ceramic Glock in in the in the line of fire on the plane and it says I am the keeper. I am the keeper of the jewel of the masquerade which lies waiting safe inside me for you or eternity because maybe it'll never be found you know. Is it going to be found in six weeks or is it going to be found in eight hundred years when they built a shopping center there right and Queen Elizabeth Age. Five hundred comes is to open it. So so did the rabbit itself have clues embedded in it or with it that would allow you you too. Back would allow a person five hundred years from now not to find the source accidental silver just finds a fake leather pouch made of ceramics filled with wax. And then this astonishing rabbit that appears to come from no period at all happens with geocaching. People will find an accidental often often. If you go to the geocaching website people will be like. Hey I found this thing in a tree stump during a hike and then I went online to see what the heck geocaching number. PK to one. Eight six six is you know. And that's how they get involved so you could potentially find it accidentally which again we'll plan to our story His publisher realized he should have a witness to go with him to to to do the burial. He refuses to take a camera crew. He's very secretive. They want the Archbishop of Canterbury. They want the governor of the Bank of England or whatever but they they settle for bamber GASCOYNE. If you were from Britain you would know the name. He's he's essentially there. Alex Trebek's right. He's an academic who hosted university challenge. Remember remember him did you. Were you ever on university challenge. I Love I love you. I know Hodgman's been on. They never have. They never have Americans except for like the one weird American Eric into lives in the UK now and says it says all the words but in an American accent says sounds weird rich hall and he just does it. All it's Nicholas Hey wasn't we're told spend on. Qa He's that guy right rich hall. His residence in England resident America. They're American like funny man. When John Hodgman told me he'd been on that show? I was very very mad because I feel like I have a good. Qa resumes while they never reached out. I know it's in Cherry Hill. I love those British quiz shows and bamber Gascoyne was kind of their the guy so he and bamber dig the whole lay in the late in the hair fill it up and And Kit Williams brings a tupperware handed to to get us here. Drop this on top. He is brought from his home in Gloucestershire a A COW Pie. That he's going to put on top clever her discourage curiosity seekers into hide any signs of digging. Although does this area also have cows or would it be a completely like out out of place in a clue right. It's like I brought Eagle heard from the from Alaska. You can see somebody dipping in a finger like Sherlock Holmes. Homes are being like Watson these guernsey cattle only found on the isle of Guernsey. This is our spot. That's the speed and bamber. gascoyne instructed directed so instructed drops it from the height of a cow's Oh rectum in order to create a Splat a realistic SPLAT and then the media blitz begins and within two days. Jonathan Cape sells out of this book and has to go back to press press again and again they sell one million copies. WHOA masquerade? So this was this whole ploy go work on this for three years. It's a whole. It's a whole literally employ. Oy Oy Oy paid off yes. Jonathan Cape makes jillions of dollars and Kit Williams becomes a celebrity celebrity. He's a village suddenly on chat shows and ascend around the world because even though it's hidden someplace in the UK that has not stopped. A bunch of Americans sounds from horse reading the book. And be like look. It's gotta be under Nelson's column have to dig it up. You had to send a letter and tell him where or you'd found it in hindsight that's a terrible idea. He gets hundreds of letters. Why would you not insist that people go dealer because he wanted to keep people from digging up people's People's law? I think there is a legal issue. Maybe it's maybe it's to combat Ableson. You want everyone to be able to. It's an armchair but yes. I think there was a legal concern because what did happen. Was Britain got dug up. Hundreds of thousands of little holes appear a Derbyshire woman opens her door and a frogman wanting to dredge..

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Guardian Books Podcast

The Guardian Books Podcast

11:19 min | 2 years ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Guardian Books Podcast

"Trouble with sleep when you had a powerful sensation that everything around you might not be real real worry you described as anxieties jackpot but was your philosophical training. No help in countering this sense of metaphysical vertigo. Yes no help at all because you know the the sort of first year. Philosophy undergrad thing. If what if what if I'm a brain in a VAT problem isn't it of course when you're eighteen you What if I'm a brain in a VAT and when you're forty four you think refrain? Suddenly it becomes a real problem. Well it does if you me anyway weren't convinced by the kind of standard answers because you know what could a standard answer be the the whole conundrum of it is if you really are a brain in a VAT and you've been programmed onto believe in your own objective reality of course you're gonNA believe in your own objective reality so you can never know if you are not and for a while that really tripled me. I think it's still does told me if I think you're not convinced by razor. You know why invent a whole kind of thing about that if it's much more straightforward to imagine that actually reality exists. stateful it is. I mean that's that's the problem but you have to sit in some reality so two of them worse okay. It's not doing it for you. I'll see I'll go out tonight. Maybe just philosophy maybe rationality is just not enough to deal with this kind of existential terror. Yeah I think it's not because it's not philosophy is an logic is rational and and fear is not rational Nazis whole That's how it gets fits existence. You know where it gets into the gaps between rationality and it's An and it become it starts to eclipse CBS reason. And I think that's where it takes. Hold what about the consolations of gold will I. I have a section in the book about A conversation with a Christian friend of mine who uses deeply thoughtful intelligent So of of wonderful thinker and really rigorous in her thinking but she also has Christianity and I just have. The voice envied it so much her capacity to believe in. It's not that her believe is happily his flawless An unerring she doubts all the time and I think that's a healthy part of belief but still she has this belief in God and I thought at this point was having a conversation with her. I was very sleep deprived and I began to think in my own slightly mad way that if only I could believe in God and I would start sleeping. Maybe that was the thing that I was lacking and but if never had the capacity to I've always wanted to do the more I look at religion and science you say the less difference I see between them. I mean obviously many scientific results. We can't testimony for ourselves but many scientific results we have to take on trust. But isn't there a very big difference between the kind of belief we haven't science and the kind of belief in God yes. There's a huge difference but when I think about reason as a sort of vehicle for science and it's always reason that it reason versus faith you know that is brought up We arrive at our scientific scientific knowledge through reason and we arrive are religious knowledge through faith. I just look at reason begin to think. Well reason is is a capacity of the human mind is the only thing we have and it's sort of a platitude to say that if we use reason and we will arrive at things that seem rational to us of course plus the point. That's the point of reason. But how are we to know that reason is any is anything worth having thing we it just allows us to arrive a set of things that we call rational and that we therefore decide because we reasoned them must be worth knowing knowing. But it's more questioning reason as the sort of A golden ticket. I guess I guess I'll the obvious response is there's plenty of scientists who cast doubt on whether you can believe in faith that results PAL era or history or morality or whatever but there are very few men of God whatever sought who get worried about getting a jet plane or using the smartphone science kind of works at some level whether there are plenty you've of scientists who who have a religious belief or a and certainly more so in the past maybe less so now but still I think when when when when physics gets very theoretical it becomes Quite faith based the many people who think string theory is just a pile of them the imagination exactly and we've arrived at so much of our scientific knowledge through three leaps the face so actually. I don't think there's that much difference. I completely accept the the difference between faith and reason and one looks much more sturdy than the other reason season. Looks much more sturdy than faith but I just question whether it really. Is that another thread that runs through the book is the way you talk about the doctors who you you went to us for help. Who Sat there stony or spinks like even combative to medical professionals scientists of US ought to these medical professionals annals have trouble with with sleekness? Well my doctor's assistant did. Actually I did find very sympathetic doctor in the the end but even she was stumped by and she didn't have any answers fair enough. I don't really expect. Doctors Have Fox's to something as as mysterious asleep. We don't understand sleep. That's the bottom line. Nobody understands why we do it. So how we do it But I think a sort of a separate issue that the NHS's is woefully awfully. Ill equipped to deal with insomnia. And I think it's because it for somewhere between mental and physical and it's very difficult to sort of tease the two out so nobody really knows where to begin with. So they don't as well as the kind of well documented troubles at an it just has dealing with mental health problems at all. It's perfect sweet. Spot for getting ignores obsolete. Almost a quarter of a million people read an extract from the shapeless unease on the got in website with an avalanche of comments on social media from readers. The recognize themselves in your pain. Didn't that's a sign that sleeplessness is a modern epidemic. What do you think we're just able to talk about something that we were never able to discuss before? He's a really good question. I just don't know the answer to it. I guess people have always there. Some people people have always slept badly in and sleep problems of being around since the dawn of time and I don't think we can blame everything on the modern world and smaller yeah or Brexit but there is something about the world we live in. Now that is that has a kind of nervous energy into it. In the way we're drip fed information a lot of news which is often an fearful and it's coming at us in sort of not a you. Don't sit down and watch the news anymore. You just get absorbed feted through the day. Ah One headline at a time. And the headlines have become more more can shout out to grab your attention in this this huge sea of noise. Yes and that just it just feels like this kind of work our of of energy intention around that we are all immersed I in I mean I don't even have a phone still somehow. Sue Moses get that that drip feed of opinion that's quickly followed by reaction that's quickly followed by another reaction and then someone being taken down shamed in some way it's we. We live in such a reactive world not very kind of wisely responsive wild and I I think that must in some way contribute towards it the writing is dreaming as you suggest then can writing help insomniac. It helped me hugely hugely. I think it it didn't help in the sense that I've finished what I was writing and low I was cured only but The act of writing was a huge solace and very grounding. And I think there's something about in writing that kind of is a form of Alchemy for me where you can take the raw material of yourself. That's sort of you know even when you're going through something that's very rough and very dog you can take that and you can make into a sentence and you can make into took beautiful sentence and somehow in doing that you've alchemist it and then you stack sentences up and you've created something that is bigger than yourself and it's wiser than yourself. The Cure for insomnia you suggest is perhaps wild swimming or maybe. It's the realization that you know things are fixed. Everything passes this too is is. Is that the secret. Well it's not. It's not a secret and it's a very tongue in cheek. Cure it but when you when I get into cold water into a lake or river and I put my head under the water in that moment. I'm cured of insomnia for the moon for that moment. Yeah it does it's the it's the antithesis of sleeplessness is getting getting your head into cold water and feeling the release of of pressure and being utterly invigorated by by that. And it being all in -veloping can't think about anything else justice waters around you and I'm that has been very sustaining. Sustaining for me. It's not a cure. Are you sleeping now Better not well but better. Thank you so matt Havi speaking to wretchedly. The shapeless unease is published by Jonathan Cape in the UK and Grove press in the US. And that's all for this week. Next week's episode will be out on on Wednesday instead of cheese day and we will be speaking to the bestselling author. Janine Cummings in very.

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"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show

The Erick Erickson Show

11:58 min | 3 years ago

"jonathan cape" Discussed on The Erick Erickson Show

"Laugh at herself. It is one thing for a politician in America to be able to laugh at someone else. It is a rare politician to be able to laugh at themselves. You would be surprised fries at the number of politicians who will not make a joke at their own expense and she made lots of jokes at her expense. And I found it endearing because I've been around enough politicians and have done enough interviews over the last twenty years that I can tell when someone really believes what they're saying and is authentic think about it in his willing to open up and be vulnerable in public and she was and Brian Kemp was and they were unique in that regard They were willing to crack jokes on themselves. They were willing willing to be opened. They were willing to be vulnerable. They they were willing to Say they didn't have all the answers. That was another thing that struck me compare and I don't want to go into in into attacking checking other candidates but but I interviewed other candidates Democrat and Republican who could not bring themselves to utter three words words. Those three words were I don't know Abrahams and Kim were willing to and I find it refreshing when a candidate whether I agree with them or not is willing to say you know what I don't have all the answers now as to the answer she had she and I. We disagreed on all sorts of we found common ground on issues. And this is the thing that I find more. This is why I. I'm very very hesitant to ever call someone on the other side an enemy. They're just opponent. There were a number of situations where she and I could look at a situation and say objectively the situation as bad but we had different solutions. Her solution always involved the government and oftentimes. My solution would be leave it alone. It's a problem but there's nothing the government should do about it. One of those issues is one of the. The latest concerns of Democrats nationwide is what they call the food desert. It is yet another moral crisis and the Democrats have gotten really good. Everything is a moral crisis. Climate change is a moral crisis. Income inequality is a moral crisis Prison populations of moral crisis. Everything's a moral crisis food. Deserts or more Morressy. You wonder what is a food desert. It is a grocery store with sand. No a food is where you live somewhere in Georgia And you have to drive a significant distance to get to a grocery store or access to fresh food is limited did that is a food desert and there are a food desert in Metro Atlanta Georgia around the old Turner Field that that is now Georgia state. It is a wall in isolated expanse of interstate and projects and there is not a grocery store anywhere near there. And if you are poor and of limited mobility because of your lack of access to transportation You have a hard time going anywhere. Other than the local dairy Queen Queen or Wendy's to get food and that's not healthy. You have no access to fresh vegetables. the local corner grocery stores that you depend on. Don't have fresh vegetables. They have processed foods foods and believe it or not. The scientific evidence does show that that eating on the perimeter of the grocery store the fresh fruits and vegetables the fresh meats and dairy is better here for either the processed foods but you go to the little quarter grocery store. You're going to get lots processed foods and maybe there's some milk that's not expired. That is a food desert. You Move to rural Georgia. You may have an ingles thirty minutes away from you. And that's the best you can do now Stacey Abrams I you know what I want to be has it. Because it's been a long time since we had the interview but essentially but essentially several every Democrats have proposed either. We've got to increase funding for rural transportation to get people to grocery stores or we need to economically comically incentivized grocery stores moving into certain areas. So people have access to it. That is a democratic solution. I don't want to put words in Stacey Abrams about I I think that was that was one of hers was expanding transport in rural Georgia. A spending government money to expand Georgia. What is my solution? My solution is a as a conservative is. Yes this is a problem and believe it or not. There are long term health impacts of people eating lots of processed processed food and no fresh food and not having access to it. But you know what people make a choice to live in a rural area and I see no reason that the government remit needs to get involved with taxpayer dollars to set up transportation systems that you may or may not use to get the to the grocery store and if anything Up By setting up a system where you are relying on the government to transport you to a grocery store for you to do your grocery shopping you are increasingly lead then unreliable on family friends church and local community and I personally think as a conservative one of the worst things. Our government Vermont has ever done in history is In terms of societal impact overall is to decrease people's dependence on and local community structures be they churches civic groups family friends. You can live your entire life Suckling Uncle Sam's man boob and never have to rely lie on family friends or church again and if that paints a horrible picture in your mind you're GonNa have nightmares over at. I apologize but it's the truth. We have way too many. The people who have become dependent on government in rural and urban areas and as a result were seen community breakdown. Because no one needs to be dependent on their community anymore. If everyone's dependent dependent on Uncle Sam or the state of Georgia's taxpayer dollars to improve their existence. Then they have no incentive to build a church community or a local civic community that replaces places church community or keep their family close or incentivized their family to pay play a part of their lives. We got a bunch of people who live in rural Georgia where their kids and relatives have packed up and left left and they have no network of friends or anyone else. They become. UNPLUG from Church and are they hurting. Yes but the solution is not to have the government nanny. Come check on them and drive them to the grocery store. The solution is to help them build relationships within their local community. Incentivize Sinn of is that frankly. It's not even the government's role to do that is the role of local churches but local. Churches have no incentive to do that because the government's already competing. So all of this is to say that that Stacey Abrams that I can look at different issues and we can. We can share a concern for the issue but because she's on the left and I'm on the right. We arrive at different age. We arrive at different solutions. I would not vote for her. She would not vote for me but that does not mean I can look at her and and and think that she's the enemy. No Oh she's just a political opponent she and I disagree I think that her policies would be harmful to the state of Georgia. She thinks policies are awful to the state of Georgia. We can break bread together and we don't talk politics Enjoy others company. I would hope We we did on stage. We had a great conversation and it was great to have someone who can laugh about themselves and The silly things as their parents have done well. She's given this interview now and she has said that she would be perfectly happy to be vice presidential pick that she it would not diminish her ambitions overall to be vice presidential pick. I gotTa tell you. I have a hard time believing that anyone on the democratic side would pick Stacey Abrams to be the vice president. Oh maybe if they WANNA wildcard sensation yes but let. Let's put this in perspective and again I don't mean disrespect here in. No none of nobody get offended on the left now. Who might be listening? But Stacey Abrams was elected a to a State House seat in Georgia and nothing else Mike Pence. Let's as a deeper resume than Stacey Abrams. When it comes to qualifications to be Vice President Tim Kaine on the Democratic side? Did Joe Biden did John Edwards did with John Kerry. Al Gore did with Bill Clinton George H W Bush would probably the most qualified president and vice president in American history. Dick Cheney Cheney with George W Bush had also was also Highly qualified to be vice president. He'd been a member of Congress he'd been a defense secretary he'd been a CEO of a major fortune five hundred corporation Stacey. Abrams rose to be aced a minority leader in a house of Representatives representing a small area of Georgia. That does not qualify one to be vice president if you are to be vice president of the United States the chief criteria for your job is that if the president it kills over dead tomorrow you could become president of the United States in terms of rallying the base perhaps Stacey. Abrams is legit pick. But in terms of persuading Independent that voters that you've made a reasonable pick who could become president of the United States. I don't know that that's the case. And then frankly. There is a liability issue on the Stacey Abram Abram front four Democrats and that is that she has taken some very progressive positions including allowing illegal aliens to vote and things like that and that I think would actually hurt the Democrats evercrack on the campaign trail. When that stuff came out there was a lot of opposition research? The Brian Kemp did not use on Stacey Abrams that if she were the vice presidential pick would come out. I don't think it's going to happen and I do ultimately think that Stacey Abrams benefits by having this buzz about her because she very much wants a do over whether she was around and I don't think she was there was no voter suppression. In fact I see people railing on this article Where she says this Jonathan Cape Art from Washington? Post saying well. She can't win in Georgia. We need a vice president can win. She can't win and Georgia because they'd suppressed. It's the vote in Georgia. Again the the mythology of the democratic side that Stacey Abrams lost because of voter suppression as opposed to just lost because there are more Republicans who turned out out and voted for Brian. Gap they really believe this even factors come out and said there's no evidence of voter suppression. There's no evidence in fact there was a record turnout in Georgia. There's a lot of Republicans voted to But if they if she was to become the vice presidential pick for the Democrats there would be a vetting and I don't know that it would go well ultimately because of her positions. And I I gotTa tell you you and Stacey Abrams I we can disagree on all sorts of stuff off and I think the Democrats would be making a mistake if she were vice presidential pick but I think the buzz helps her because she really wants to run against. Brian can begin. She really does. The race was stolen from her. Even though I don't think it was But you can. You can say all that you take that position you can ultimately arrive at. You know I disagree with this person. But she's actually likable person. Should I know it's heresy in this day and age to say stuff like that but I continue to believe I gotta say stuff like that because I got to remind you that just because you disagree with someone on politics in this country does is not make that person your enemy. It may make them your next door neighbor who you just don't know what their political views are because you're much more interested in on the braves together. which if Stacey Abrams Abrahams were vice president we would vice president who cheered on the braves? How is impeachment play over at CNN? This is Ross Garber I. CNN is legal analyst on impeachment craning officials to American officials and and he's overstepped his bounds including through tweets in the past week So you know that conduct is not okay and it's part of why I've been critical of what the Democrats have tried to do here. This is I think we're seeing not a real effort to remove the president..

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