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What To Tell Kids When The News Is Scary

Parenting: Difficult Conversations

03:42 min | 3 months ago

What To Tell Kids When The News Is Scary

"Auntie whether it's a tornado or a terrorist attack whether the kids heard about it on the internet or on the playground six takeaways to help you and the little people in your life make sense of a world that can feel really overwhelming takeaway number one. We can control the amount of information we can control the amount of exposure rosemary. Says for starters trying to let your kids watch or listen or browse the news without you and try not to stream it or leave it plan on the background all day long because my parents had twenty four hour news just kind of on around the house throughout the day. I absorbed more news as a child. I probably should have. Molly lewis is one of the many folks who share their story with us. She was six years old when the one thousand nine hundred six murder investigation of jonbenet ramsey was getting wall to wall coverage. Joe ramsey and i were pretty much exactly the same age and i knew that murder was a thing but i had assumed up to that point that murder was just a thing between adults and suddenly i was learning that children could also be murdered. And what's worse. That could be murdered in their homes. Potentially by someone that very much trusted my gosh. That is such a heavy thing for a six year old absolutely and i mean but it's going to happen if kids much time with content. That's not meant for them. And i remember corey a couple of years ago. Common sense media reported that forty percent of parents of young children say the television is on always or most of the time in their home whether anyone's watching are not forty-two percent. Yeah yeah appearance of kids under eight right. Yes without realizing right. So it's pretty common. So i asked his about this. So concretely. should we have news on in the background when our young winner kids. Young kids are around. That's probably a good rule of thumb. Because you can't control you can't control these breaking stories which are always breaking so that's priority number one. But what if you did your best and your child's still sees or over here's something on playground or online. Yeah i mean you. And i both know when you can get a little older. You cannot control everything in here and so something's gonna come up. It's going to upset them. They're going to have questions and you're going to need to talk about it with exactly and that leads us to take away number two when you do have that conversation with your child about something. They've seen or heard that scared them. You need to begin by asking them what they know tear conley. The media researcher says to choose a quiet moment when the phones are down the. Tv's off maybe on the way to school allowing them to have that space where they're asking questions about what they're seeing how they're feeling and what do they think who they think. The story is talking about basically giving kids espace to reflect and she said this also gives them permission to bring up something that may really been bothering them. Also asking what kids already know. It's really important first step because anybody who has kids knows that kids often will develop these wild misconceptions when they don't know the full story and they have very little background knowledge and very little understanding of the wider world to help them here right like alison docker really warfare. Involved like hairy apes or the story from emily pro cop from connecticut. When the monica lewinsky scandal happened. I sincerely thought the whole thing was in the news because she got a stain on her dress. I was terrified that any stain. I may get on my clothes would end up being the laughing stock of my middle school. Die still get an uneasy feeling when i'm at a party and spill anything on my dress. I feel so badly for emily. That sounds

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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13:12 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Family for this year's festivities are captain. We're kind of the point now where we're really only left with about three people left to discuss And these would be the complete total insiders and this whole entire case. The three Ramsey family only members that were inside the home the night that Jon Benet was killed. We mentioned yesterday the experts or several people that stated that they believe I believe in an intruder theory is the best theory for this case regarding the insider theory we have. CBS Robert Ressler. Great MMA query. Dr Cyril Wecht and Steve Thomas to retired F. B. I.. Agents that is the flip side of the coin of John. Douglas Bliss I guess and we have Cyril Wecht who is an expert in forensics as well as Steve Thomas who would be the flip side of the coin. Four four Lou Smit loose-knit was brought in to work this investigation for the prosecutors for the team of prosecutors Steve Steve. Thomas was a member of the Boulder Police Department and was a detective at the time. And he was one of the lead investigators on the Ramsey investigation. Gatien the strange thing being here is that these two investigators worked on the same team at the same time of the same investigation and had had to completely different opinions on what happened. What took place who is responsible for the murder and both of them believe? I believe so strongly in their theory that the evidence that day could see backed up what they suspected so much so that both of them eventually actually resigned from working the case at all. And that's pretty strong commitment to your theory. Yeah one hundred percent. We have stated that some people were eliminated whatever words you want to use in regards to very things that are very specific like handwriting possibly DNA EH alibis alibis. The only true people that in my that I'm willing to go along with an agree with that have been officially cleared in this case were cleared very early on in the investigation and they're only four of them and that would would be John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey John's two older children right as well as fleet and Priscilla White. Those four have been officially cleared and I agree with all four of those statements. This being basically that it was proven to be physically impossible for any of these four people to be involved because they have an ironclad alibi. The two older children were not even in the state of of Colorado. They would need to either own a private jet or a time machine to teleport. Yeah have possibly been able to commit this crime and it appears the same way with fleet and Priscilla white as well based off of they had a bunch of guest at their home overnight and there's multiple people stating that until the wee hours of the morning. They're both accounted for. It's not like one of these statements. Like oh we went to bed at eight o'clock at night and get up and do anything till the next morning they were up up hanging out with these people and until until the wee hours of the more they were pulling what I call it. crispy colonel so this leaves us with three of the more popular suspects in this case and you know I remember when I was a child in this case was in the news that there were people screaming screaming at the top of their lungs. The parents did at the parents did it. And then years later a popular theory came out that pay the brother. Did it either way for somebody in the home to have killed. Jon Benet without question there has to be a cover up and then you have to go to the extent of how many people people do you believe. Were to be involved in that cover up and why the need for the cover up in the first place. John Ramsey was a popular suspect early. Early on in this would be based off of the salacious photos. That came out of this young six year old blonde in these beauty pageants wearing clothing and outfits that people didn't think were appropriate and you carry that out a little further people wondered well. Could she have been sexually abused. was there abuse going on in inside the home and could John Ramsey be guilty of such abuse. The other thought here is we have have patsy Ramsey. The patsy Ramsey theory to me is is. I think I was GONNA say interesting but I don't don't think that's the right word I think it's complicated is is the better word and I say that because in regards to patsy having killed Jon Benet and and then covered it up it seems like there could be many motivating factors for patsy right. Where would John? It seems pretty cut cut and dried that. It's just I. The he must have been abusing her sexually and it led to this and then it was covered up now. One seems like we have evidence accordance at points against the idea that she was abused long-term and the the where the place. Where this theory then splits is you could go? Okay okay. Well did. Patsy helped him cover covered up or was she aware of other things going on or not right with the patsy theory. It's it's it's a number of things it could be that Jon Benet the bed and there was an attack and impulsive attack. That took place and then it was covered up later or she was in some weird way jealous that her daughter is being molested by her husband and and flew into some kind of rage. or It's possible that she was molesting her daughter herself she was molesting the daughter. One interesting theory too is is that John's molesting the daughter in in some type of was meant to be a heroic act to come in and attack this man attack her husband. Who's violating her daughter? The in some freak accident. She accidentally struck Jon Benet in the head instead instead and then they worked together to cover it up. The theories are as bizarre as you can imagine and then there's others that make some sense now mind you you need the evidence to back them up yes and this is where my even get more complex but I I believe based on the autopsy that it shows that Jon Benet was not being molested for years so so to me that rules out patsy molesting Jon Benet or John Molesting Jon Benet I also would find it very strange Ought to have a situation where we have molest station of a child of your own child and a house that there is no pornography goofy at all found or any claims at all by any friends they had a lot of close friends. No claims whatsoever a about child abuse so to me I you can take that off the table. I certainly don't lean that way that that was the situation that that was what was going on long term and backed that up by saying look this at this. John was not a first time father. Okay he other children that have nothing but good things to say about him. Usually with an offender that would would re-offend on the same victim over and over again. It's not uncommon that they just victimized one child right but it's more common did they victimize more than one of the children so I don't lean that way and it also appears that out of the. This was a young girl it was very well cared for in the sense that she had twenty seven. Doctors visits in the course of three years. Now some people call that into suspicion. I'm fine with that. It's it's suspicious to me too but what's not suspicious is a lot of times when there is some form of physical abuse or sexual abuse. You're not running to the doctor for every little thing that comes up because sometimes the doctor can detect these things or can question marks on a child this things with with Jon Benet and in her body and and the examines the examinations of her body and these doctor visits i. I don't think that we can one hundred percent rule out the possibility of some type of sexual abuse. It just doesn't seem like like anybody people that have first hand knowledge of all these situations and of Jon Benet. It doesn't seem that anybody leans that direction right. The these are things that could be explained away by sexual abuse but also could be explained away. A million other ways in have been irritations due to two wedding the bed. wetting yourself irritations to bubble bath any number of different things going on here. So yeah. I'm with you captain. Can I don't see a situation where we have long term sexual abuse. Now that doesn't mean that sexual abuse cannot be the motivating factor for what happened here. It very well could be that. This was the very first time that this ever took place and it went. It ended in murder right. I think if you I believe that then you have to believe the evidence of the autopsy and that means that there would have been something that happened on the twenty third so again like you said it's new developing Sexual molestation but by apparent I just I just don't see you there. I think there's such a lack of evidence of that I think makes maybe a little more sense with the idea of that. This bed-wetting became an issue. And the person that's dealing with it constantly is patsy and so something happened there but again it. It's strange to me. It's just it's this is so complicated because you have to start picking what happened. I and I don't believe a hit or the fracture of the skull all happened. I so if that did happen I and somebody could prove to me that happened. I then I'd go. Well Yeah Patsy got a a little upset in and pushed her. She hit her head or she accidentally hit hit. Jon Benet on top of the head was something and then use this this gratin to cover it up but I just don't see that to be the case in regards can you. Can you clear up what you mean gene by something occurring on the twenty third while because the 'cause they examined her claims that the day that she was murdered murdered. There's evidence that there's digital molest station and that but there's also evidence that it would happen. And and when we use the word chronic he was stating that it probably happened on the twenty second or the twenty third so there was evidence of some kind of molestation on the day she was murdered and then on the twenty second and the twenty third so meaning if it was somebody somebody on the inside it could have been the second time that such an act took place. Yeah I'm just. I'm taking that off the table because to me it doesn't there's no no evidence that points and I just. There's no evidence that points that John Ramsey was doing that. There's no evidence that points that Patsy Patsy Ramsey was doing that. No I agree with you too. I'm not willing to take it off the table because it sounds like the medical examiner says that something took place place right and look. She's in the company of her family more than anybody else. She's a six year old child so I won't take off off the table when they're still they're still reason to leave it on the table. I think the the difficulty with this case as you are the road you were starting to go down. There.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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11:29 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"If it wasn't intruder. Of course Hoffman. PUGH does not even fit the profile. The police were working with which was white male former convict twenty five to thirty years. Old Hoffman Pugh was fifty seven at the time I'm and her husband was about the same age years later. She did testify in front of a grand jury for a total of eight hours including a statement against Patsy Azzi that read quote. I think she had multiple personalities should be in a good mood and then should be cranky. She got into arguments with Jon. Benet the Linda Hoffman. PUGH theory as it goes says the housekeeper led a trusting job down into the basement that night and attempt to who trick her employers into leaving money for her ransom. It is possible that she could have seen John. Ramsey's pay stub for one hundred. Eighteen thousand thousand dollars as a bonus familiar with both the home and the family. Schedule Hoffman. Pugh makes a convenient suspect and without a solid alibi. She says she was asleep in bed while her husband allegedly slept on the couch. She has however never been formally accused of this crime. I'm in there's really no evidence pointing to her just speculation by mainly a lot of coming from patsies mother and we've spent the last asked episode and portion of this episode discussing some of the people we believe should be in the conversation of suspects. There there nobody in there that we are specifically Lee. Sang should be a suspect. Just when you WANNA look at people that you might want to look into with the investigation these would be people that the captain and I would take a look at. There are a few people that we haven't discussed yet. And that would be some true insiders. In this case. The three Ramsey family members numbers that were inside the home. Obviously we cannot discuss every person that's ever been thought to be a suspect by whomever out there down. I mean we we thought about after the second episode discon- screw it was two hundred episodes on this case but then we decided against that. Well just the suspects alone would be extremely exhausting one to report in to to listen to as well because the Ramseys John and patsy supply boulder police with a list of suspects. The list they gave to police now. It grew as the investigation went on right but the latest report that I heard was that that number was at one hundred and sixty eight the ramseys gave the police department one hundred and sixty eight people to look at and obviously their names were not included on this list. So right but if your child was murdered and you weren't involved at some point you would start naming everybody you knew just to have them look at anybody. Because they're not at at this point you don't know who they've looked at what leads the have Where they're going? How close they are so? At some point year you start becoming desperate `esprit I get that and that's that just like everything else in this case is where you can take one bit of information and you could use it to argue four. Aw or against the RAMSEYS. Yeah so where every one of us would expect innocent people to supply a very lengthy list in a desperation to find justice for their daughter. The flip side of that is the suspicion of going. Well they they have something to hide. So they're providing police with this very extensive list giving them all these errands chores to do to really steer the direction direction of the investigation away from themselves to further compound that a bit. We do have statements by Patsy Ramsey who who says at some point in the investigation. She was suspicious of Saying that she believed the killer could have been Colorado University student. Well that adds several thousands more people to the list of suspects so it's really one of those tricky things. The other thing that I found interesting about this and this this is actually a real. I think this is a very possibly legit answer. We do know that the ramseys did provide a suspect list. That's not in question question. That absolutely happened. What I believe is in question is the number of people that the ramseys put on that list brave because that number has been reported all all over the shop? It's a pretty high number. I'll say that but I found this statement to be. It's really a response that John Ramsey had uh it either shows his level of intelligence or his level of innocence or possibly his level of. He thinks he might be set up being wrongfully accused of something and it was this. One of his friends contacted him. Their conversation was Ramsey Ramsey. Wanted to know. Why did you say you said some things about me? That I didn't really like right. And his his friend or acquaintance Dayton's I don't know that the strength of their relationship and the statements themselves they they weren't even really a big deal in my opinion but the friend says to John. Well I only said that stuff because or I only said that you should be a suspect because police came to me and told me that you told them that I should be suspect. Right and John Ramsey's response to that was look. I didn't say you should be a suspect. They're just telling you and telling everybody nobody else out there in our our circle of friends and Co workers that we have said everybody else's a suspect they're trying trying to stir. The Pot is what John Ramsey's basically saying they're trying to stir the pot so that you will give them stuff about us you will give them dirt on us so it's it's really one of those really difficult things to kind of sift through. Who is right? Who is wrong and what this particular thing could mean? I in the beginning of this investigation thought that that number one hundred sixty eight people named as suspects by the Ramsey was a crazy number and it pointed to something that they might be trying to hide right as I go through it. I questioned that action less. And less and less one thing we do need to talk about two which added suspicion in the public's eye to the RAMSEYS and I believe at it suspicion in the eyes of law enforcement As well working the case is what has always been referred to as the RAMSEYS hiding behind a wall of lawyers and some people well even gone as far to call this wall of Lawyers Team Ramsey. The one of the attorneys hired by the RAMSEYS was was. This is from an old case. And it's from a representation to a person named Lee Lindsay. Her husband was shot to death inside their home l. e. Lindsey was found innocent. John Hired that same defense attorney to represent him. It's an interesting strategy again. It's just another one of those things that you could argue. Either side this points to him having something to hide this points to him just wanting good representation tation so he doesn't get wrongfully accused. John and Patsy had different attorneys and Burke had his own attorney as well now how we should point out there all paid for by John Ramsey. But they're all receiving separate representation. Some people point to that as being very strange something very weird I really to me captain my opinion on that I could go either way on it I I I would. I would really want somebody with a strong opinion on it to to offer up their opinion to me as to why I should feel one way or the other about it. I don't really think thirty points to anything. I think again initially appointed to me that well. If let's pretend I'm the husband and and there's it made me Patsy when you're not involved in this okay. If I'm the husband in a situation where my my child has been killed in. The police are now looking looking at me and my wife as potential suspects. which you know? They're going to what if I'm in a situation where I know I'm innocent assent but I don't fully know if my spouse is innocent right well then it would make very much sense if I hired an attorney for me and if if I had if I were a man of money I would probably hire one for her as well but we would be represented by two different people because my interest I in her interest in this investigation are not the same and therefore we need different representation. That'd be awesome if your man of money because we could turn on the heat and and the garage now the flip side of that is what. If I know that I'm innocent and I know my wife to be innocent as well. I know that a very very common police tactic and detective tactic would be for them to separate us in question us at the same time in separate areas in separate locations locations thus making it impossible for the attorney representing both of us to physically represent both of us during that situation. Elation right you see how this pendulum swings back and forth. It's it's aggravating. It's interesting it's truly a fascinating case case but with a lot with a lot of unanswered questions right but I view it from the standpoint of what John Ramsey says the the day of the crime he talks to police officers the day of the crime they have burke talk to investigator without anybody present they also send burke to their friends house where he could say God knows what if if he was responsible for this or if he knew what happened but John Ramsey says is that they're willing to cooperate they had some suspicion from their friends. Saying you probably get a lawyer to help you through all this but when when the police would not give back her body so they can have the burial. That's when John said that was the long drawn in the sand and you don't WanNa to give our dead child back so we can bury her and so you have a sit down sit down conversation with both him and Patsy and I think at that point he realized This was kind of war and I think he was. I don't even think it was whether it was right or wrong long. I think it was just like I think he felt that it was very disrespectful. And from then on I'm not gonNA play by your rules. The holiday shopping.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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13:34 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"And graphic sexual detail on August seventeenth two thousand and six Thailand authorities arrested John Mark Car a forty two two year old American teacher. He'd been living in Thailand on the Lam after facing child pornography charges in the US car had been e mailing mailing a Colorado professor and was making incriminating statements about his involvement in Jonbenet's death. The Boulder District Attorney's office wanted to charge him with murder. He was extradited back to the United States and brought to Boulder Colorado to be arraigned for her murder. This this from August twentieth two thousand and six from CNN dot com a video titled in Cars Own Words. A reporter ask I am with the Associated Press. Can you give us a brief statement car. Replies I I love Jon Benet and she died accidentally reporter reporter ask are you an innocent man. Car Says No what happened car replies. Her death was an accident so you were in the basement. Mint car says yes the reporter asked. Can you tell us about your connection to the Ramsey family. Car Says No. He cannot comment on that. How did you you or how did you get into the basement again? Car Says No comment on that reporter and how how do you feel now. How have you? I've been treated car. Says I've been treated okay. Asked how long had you known Jon Benet and again he says. I have no comment on that. Here's some other statements made by car car. Says I was with Jon Benet when she died now. This is not technically a confession but but more of an admission he did not say I killed Jon Benet just I was with Jon Benet when she died another one of cars interesting statements mints and this of course is in regards to Jon Benet. He says it's very important for me that everyone knows that I love her very much that her death was unintentional intentional that it was an accident then the September four two thousand six issue of people magazine claims they have have an exclusive jailhouse interview with John. Mark car turns out. This was not the case. In Fact People magazine interviewed the Thailand authorities authorities. Who told them what car said they say? That car said the Ramseys feel their daughter was brutally murdered and she wasn't. It looks like that but she wasn't. I want them to hear the truth. I need closure and her family needs closure. All of us have gone through enough pain then. The Boulder District Attorney announced that they were dropping the charges against John Maher car and the Jon Benet Ramsey murder. They say it turns out. DNA on the body at the scene did not match that of course DNA. Secondly a great defense is always always a good alibi. It has been reported that the police never interviewed cars family prior to his arrest and extradition to the United States. Most people know where they were during the Christmas season cars family has always said and always maintain their statements. That car was with with them when Jon Benet was killed but car says the DNA might not match. But you can't trust the test. Yeah that's possible and we can into the DNA later not matching but it seems like he's just seeking out attention and that he's a line ship princess. Well he's got a face for camera a face for radio yes he had no. I'm joking I mean he's he's not. He's struggling fogli right. He's less pleasant to look at any is to listen to on July ninth. I want to get into this real quick here. Because it's going to translate a into further discussion. That get into on July ninth two thousand eight. Mary lacy the Boulder District Attorney announce it. Recently he developed touch DNA. Technology had cleared all members of jonbenet. Ramsey's family of her slaying. DNA from an unknown male hale was found on two articles of clothing. Jon benet person many have argued and I believe very rightfully so why this DNA evidence clears the family if it in fact should even clear the family at all being John Patsy and Burke this DNA evidence only proves two things that An unknown male was possibly present at the crime scene. We do not know where the DNA came from and that the DNA does does not belong to the Ramsey family as statement analysis dot Com. Put it this. Evidence does not exonerate the RAMSEYS. It does not prove they you were not present or were not involved or do not know who killed Jon Benet regardless of all of that the DNA found on Jon Benet they did not match cars DNA and the murder charges were in fact dropped he was sent to California to face child pornography charges on stay on this DNA for just a little bit longer because one of the reasons why they believe that this DNA shouldn't be tested against anybody that comes forward or any suspect is that they don't know if it's a mixture of DNA it they go well. It's a single male. That's that's what they believe. It is but even in the test results it says it could be two to three males like a combination not meaning that there's even two or three people involved in her murder just that this. DNA is a combination of could be combination of multiple will people. Therefore you'll never get a match when you're comparing multiple people's DNA to one person right and I mean it's interesting that that we have the DNA A and it was found on two articles of clothing on her that were on her person as she lay there and the wine cellar which is of interest. I don't don't think it should be ignored. I think and I'm going off of expert opinion as well and just really agreeing with them. Where several Oh? Experts have stated that they don't find this type of DNA evidence to be of any value when it comes to eliminating a suspect or or or trying to convict a suspect right that it's simply for now until we can prove otherwise it's simply for now. DNA that we can't identify by the is believed to come from a man doesn't seem to match any of the ramseys but we don't know how it got there or how long it was was there and it's hard for me to believe that was such a vicious attack there would be no. DNA laughed at the scene. At all. But again I think everybody involved in this case or anybody that has researched this case can start off with the idea that the crime scene is heavily contaminated terminated and. I actually don't WanNA fault. I don't WanNA fought law enforcement too much for that because I do believe they went into this situation going. It's it's a kidnapping and yes. They shoulda done his stop everything and go. Let's make sure that this is actually kidnapping and there's no child in this house but but they miss that step and that caused a blunder of other things to go wrong because of the date happened on. I think it's it's reasonable to see why they miss that step. I I somewhat agree with you. I but I disagree in a sense that I don't think that anybody in the public it should feel any less safe on December twenty six than they would any other time of year any other date. I agree it's on the calendar and you're right in a way that because it's been by Boulder Colorado's own detectives and police that state. This couldn't have happened on the worst day. This is the day that it's tough for us to get a full staff to get the most people working it's just it's a bad day scheduling wise no right. It's a great day to commit a murder by but what I mean by that is that maybe these officers would miss a step one because it's right after holiday but but to because they just spent time with their friends and family and so when you hear a we have a kidnapping it like. I said it could just be as simple as war. We're going to believe the parents right away when maybe they want. If it was three weeks later yeah I also I think that my wishes truly are the Boulder Police Department that they would have treated as a kidnapping as soon as they were notified of kidnapping and and that does not appear to have taken place to me right. Let's talk about Linda Hoffman. Pugh she worked for the Ramsey. She was their housekeeper. This is one thing that separates her from many of the other people that we've already discussed. She had a key to the home. She had a key to the Ramsey's house her. Her husband Mervyn worked with Linda and for the Ramseys on a few occasions on the evening of twelve twenty seven nineteen ninety-six. This is is the day after all of the the mess that we just kind of touched. Upon at the Ramsey home in the investigation police showed up at the pews home home and they wanted her to write the number one hundred eighteen thousand dollars on a piece of paper and reportedly took her fingerprints in several strands of her hair at that time as well. Linda confirmed the polices suspicions of job. Possibly having a bed wedding problem problem. There are several publications. That say Linda Accuses Patsy Ramsey of killing Jon Benet and it appears that she he did. I believe this may just have been in retaliation especially after learning that the ramseys put Linda and her husband on a list of people they would consider to be suspects and then some extended family pointed to them as well. The extended Ramsey family member told police Linda. Linda had asked Patsy for alone many publications out there stated that the ramseys refused to help her out and Linda's family. I was struggling and desperately needed the money. This sounds very ominous and certainly presents a cloud of suspicion. But let's clear a bunch of things up here. Linda did in fact ask Patsy for loan. The loan amount was for two thousand dollars and Patsy and John they. They agreed to help her out. They gave her the money and the agreement was that they would take two hundred dollars out of each of her paychecks until the loan was was paid back. Now that makes sense also. It wasn't like Linda was super desperate for money. Yes her and her husband struggled at times but she had a good job working for the ramseys and Mervyn was even able to pick up some work because of her job as well. The loan was for car repairs and dental work. Mark these both being emergency situations that can be expensive that spring up without notice. We have all experienced this right. Let's keep in mine too even more so than the ramseys. The police were considering everyone with a key to the home to be a suspect at that time in the investigation to see some of the report set speculate that there was as many as twenty keys. Not Not accounted for. I've seen multiple numbers reported over the years. One thing that is pointed out by the detectives that were working. The case was the first started off investigating the murder order soon as they knew it was a murder they wanted to know who had keys and how many were out there. And that number that was provided to them by the RAMSEYS was much much different than what their investigation would lead them to to find. Now Linda was someone who had a key to the home as we stated and regardless of what some of these publications say that are out there Linda when I questioned by police never suggested that Patsy or John were are guilty of anything other than loving their children she even stated that she worried about the beautiful little girl. Meaning Jon Benet who was allowed to ride her a bike unsupervised and said someone must have seen her and attempted to take the little girl this statement obviously pointing toward an unknown intruder rather than the Ramseys Mervyn however told police that the few times he was in the home he found the home to be very difficult to navigate. Saying if you just turned around you'd get lost this statement pointing toward an.

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01:51 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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14:07 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Been over twenty twenty years since Jon. Benet Ramsey was murdered inside her home. Still to this day. We are looking for the killer. We are looking for. Who who did this now? The experts who have looked at this case over the years there are some that point toward the intruder theory as it has become known. Proponents of of the intruder theory include an e. Who did their documentary on? The JONBENET case as well as famous retired F. B. I.. Agent John on Douglas and retired law enforcement officer. Lou Smit John. Douglas believes that there was an intruder and that the motive for or the killing was something against John Ramsey. Somebody had an axe to grind against John Ramsey. Maybe this was revenge handed out for John and Patsy. We don't know but that's part of his theory. Loose man on the other hand believes in the intruder theory as well with a slight variation creation. He believes that we are looking for somebody that was sexually motivated that this was a pedophile that broke into the home at the sole purpose of sexually assaulting this young girl attempting to kidnap her but unsuccessfully. Now we've put together a list of potential suspects in this case so let's get into some of the suspects suspects in some of the interesting Weirdos in this case and I'd like to start off with a man named J. T. Colfax Aka James Michael Thomson Simpson. He was thirty four years old back in nineteen ninety seven when he was arrested in June. This for deciding to set fire to the ramseys unoccupied home home on Fifteenth Street. He did this as he says not because he had anything against the ramseys but because he wanted to get back at the authorities ladies he attempted to set fire to the home by lighting newspapers and pages from Anne Rice's famous book interview with a vampire. He likes these things is on fire and then he stuffing them through the mail slot at the Ramseys home. His plan failed due to the general construction of the home. The floor from my understanding adding is marble and so the burning pages wants stuff through the slot land on the marble floor and lay there until burning out this did however manage to leave a good amount of soot on the walls and the ceiling okay so if jt Colfax Aka James Michael Thompson didn't do This because he had it out for the RAMSEYS. Well what was his beef with. The authorities Colfax was employed as a cadaver transporter by Denver Denver Company. This occupation in Colfax is actions will lead to two other arrest one for when he had a call to go to the Boulder county morgue for a pickup while he was waiting around he noticed the logbook and the entry with job as of name on it he tore the sheet out of the Logbook Book and took some additional pages as well. This would lead to a theft charge for stealing pages from a coroner's log. Book showing the arrival of Jon. Benet Body Audie at the county morgue. His other arrest came when he attempted to walk out of a photo processing store without paying for the roles of photos he picked up the photos. Turn out to be pictures of corpses with party favors and signs attached to the bodies with phrases. Such as getting fired isn't isn't the end of the world or yeehaw and happy birthday. He called the FOTOS works of art. He served time for all of these charges. This is somebody. It has very strange with some very strange actions and behaviors that seem to be circling around this case. I don't believe that he has ever been officially named named a suspect captain next we have Gary Olivia. He's thirty two year old sex offender living in Boulder Colorado. When Jonbenet was killed the convicted pedophile had been living in the area on and off and two thousand? Gary was arrested for a drug charge when searching the man. Police least find a magazine Cutout of Jon benet Ramsey in his backpack according to Rolling Stone magazine. The ramseys private investigator Ollie Gray Array once referred to Olivia's ties to Jon. Benet as a quote bombshell arrest in the case and lambasted the boulder older PD for failing to consider him a more credible suspect soon after. Ah Libya's highschool friend Michael Vale Step Forward Award with an allegation supporting grays suspicion. Vail claim that not long after the murder a distraught. Olivia called him on the phone and confessed to his longtime POW. That he quote hurt a little girl I thought he actually caught him on the twenty six vale. Make some some strong claims about Olivia and I'm not going to go into all of them but they are. Well they're disturbing to say the least Vail also associated that in his opinion the knots for the Gherat. This strangled Jon Benet a were similar to those used in an incident where Olivia attempted to choke. Okay his mother to death with a telephone cord and when Gary Olivia was arrested they also found in his possession. A stun gun. Several experts on this case have said after viewing photos of Jon Benet as body that the attacker may have used a stun gun to subdue in control the Child Olivia has arrested for possessing child pornography as well Olivia by his own. Admission lived about eight blocks away away from the ramseys and was seen and photographed at the one year memorial vigil held for job a in front of the Ramseys Boulder home days. Not Hard to pick out. 'cause he looks like the creep he looks like a guy that when you close your eyes and go okay. What what kind of guy do I picture? That's it's been convicted of these types of charges. You Go and you open up your eyes and you see a picture you go. Yeah that that makes sense yeah. He's he's a creepy but also scary very looking man in my opinion. Yeah he's not a guy that some some of these pedophiles you go. Hey Leman a room with that guy. I'll take care of him. This guy you might not want to be locked in a room with him well and I didn't go into all of veils allegations against what type of person and what this dude is capable of right because it's very disturbing in some shocking things to hear but but what I can say is this is an individual that if vail is correct did if his allegations are in fact true then this man is very violent and very violent towards those weaker than him towards people that are in animals that are just kind of defenceless. Wasn't there rumors that he had a shrine to Jon Benet. I saw those rumors as well. The only thing that I could back up was the statement that there was a picture. Sure on his person at the time of his arrest of Jon Benet that had been cut out of a magazine. I couldn't verify this elsewhere but according to Rolling Stone magazine they say he's been cleared by DNA testing for the Jon benet murder. Yes this FAMOUS DNA right bright next up. Captain we have a man named Michael Hell Goth. They call him boot man or simply boots. He's another potential suspect it. This according to Ali Gray remember the ramseys private investigator Michael Hill Goth. Who worked in a nearby auto salvage yard? He was apparently. In some kind of property dispute with the Ramseys this could be one of many motivating factors for this when the then twenty six year. Old Man went to seek revenge against John Ramsey in nineteen ninety seven the Boulder District Attorney delivered a speech at a press conference complete with the promise of justice for Jon Benet and that this case will be solved. He pointed out that they have suspects. Max And as law enforcement continues to work their investigation. That list of suspects will shrink until there's just one left you. Are you speaking to the killer. This was a powerful announcement scripted with carefully chosen words letting the killer no that the boulder. Da was zeroing in on a new suspect Hell Goth according to his co worker at the time of the murder. This is John Kennedy He. He says Hell Goth exhibited a bevy of disturbing behaviors sparing everyone the details. He was known for what I call severe cruelty realty to animals. He once said to Kennedy. I wonder what it would be like to crack a skull now. Anybody that's listened to our job. A autopsy episode knows knows exactly what we are hinting at here in November of Nineteen ninety-six. He told his Co. worker that he and an associate. We're going join to make fifty to sixty thousand dollars. Each remember. The ransom note was for one hundred eighteen thousand dollars total then after Christmas Hell Goth seemed depressed and his co worker says a thanks. He was depressed because he did not make this large amount of money that he was talking about November because on the side he would buy old vehicles and restore them so they had these plans to buy certain vehicles vehicles and now he didn't have the money the the money didn't come in. He was claiming he was going to get so if he stood to make fifty or sixty thousand dollars from some kind of unknown business adventure then right but he said the buy up all these cars and turn it into even more money is what you're saying right oddly enough and this could just be a coincidence it could be something incredibly important but the day after the. Da Speech the says we are zeroing in on a suspect. Act Hell Goth. He turns up dead after his death. Police searched his things and photos of his. Or let's go back doc. Because most people believe it was a suicide but because of certain pieces of evidence it could lead somebody to believe that it was possibly murderer and set up to look like suicide correct when they're searching his items. They're searching photos of his police saul two things of particular interest. I won a stun gun and to a pair of black high tech brand boots. This is believed that they would have matched or possibly match one of of two sets of unidentified footprints found in the Ramsey's basement even more disturbing within hell Gos- video collection was a news station story about an unsolved murder seemingly hidden in the middle of a movie law enforcement stated that the video plays along and then boom in the middle of this movie movie it breaks to like news coverage and all of a sudden has news coverage on their from Channel Four regarding the abduction and murder of a five year old girl who was found stuffed into a sleeping bag and Deer Creek Canyon. This case is from nineteen ninety-three now as you were getting to hear captain. This is the time for the speculation in something that many people have offered their opinions. On over the years the belief is officials found found an unidentified print and an unidentified shoeprint at the crime scene and Hell Goth owned boots that would match that print hell Goth caught wind that he was a suspect and decided to take his own life committing suicide just a day after the nineteen ninety seven press conference the famous press conference where district attorney. Alex Hunter says I want to say something to the person or persons that committed this crime the person or persons that took this baby from us I mention the list of suspects narrows and soon there will only be one left on the list and it will be you. Do you have stripped us of any mercy. We may have had in the beginning of this case. We will see that. Justice is served in this case that you pay a for what you did. Many people believe that the district attorney was hinting at the idea of seeking the death penalty for whoever is responsible for this murder and this could scare the offender even more so the thought and speculation here captain his death his suicide being a further sign of guilt that he was close or felt that he was close to being apprehended. So what health was a suspect of. What if he did as as many believe some people suggested he could have had an accomplice? Well if so many point toward John Stephen Gig. Ix being the accomplice John John a man with a criminal record that court documents summarized as violence and a history of sexual assault. What makes this theory? Even more complicated is the suggestion hell got did not commit suicide but was killed by someone. Maybe gigs this to prevent Hell Goth from confessing during the interrogation or from turning himself in and then singing like a bird and turning in his accomplice as well. Why think of the crime crime-scene they found the gun in his sub dominant hand not as dominant hand?.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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01:48 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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08:41 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Of the books on and their study was opened up to incest or something like that. I believe it was that a dictionary down that the word incest was marked in in a dictionary. I questioned that one to captain because that's one of those ones that you hear in more salacious reports on this case Ace I really question I feel like that would be a a more well known fact if it was a fact but we what we do know is the fact is they didn't find any pornography in the house right into top that off. These both parents have other children. There's you know there's never been any any complaints by any of the other children that that patsy or John was ever involved in anything like that and to further that out even even more. We Have Melinda on record multiple times saying her father just wouldn't be capable of such an act and that he be murder order or molestation while we're on the subject though of the bed wedding situation. One thing that I did find particularly strange in this case and this is well reported to that Jon. Benet Ramsey had twenty seven doctor visits and the course of the three years leading leading up to her death on an average that puts her at like nine a year. That's a crazy amount. The doctor when asked asked about this states that this was for the the pediatrician states that these were for all normal reasons. She did have some some sinus issues. I guess that would be caused for reoccurring visits. I also wonder too. We know the situation of the accidental time when burke hit her in the face with the dog club. Yeah in the face and the face That in itself. Though I wanNA point we now just just something like that requires multiple doctor visits. I was looking for like a a straight up list while. Yeah you'd have if there was stitches. You have stitches than you have to remove the stitches. Well we know we know that she went to a plastic surgeon. So just like you pointed out there that that starts with the initial doctor visit referral to somebody consultation. The the surgery a follow up right there. You have four out of the twenty seven one. You have a stay at home mom so I think yeah maybe four people that are everybody's working and there's not a lot of money little. Oh things you're just going to let go but when you have the time to take your daughter and for every little thing and you have the money to cover it. I don't think that's unreasonable. Symbol external evidence of injury located just below the right ear at the right angle of the mandible. One point five inches below the right external auditorium canal is a small rust. Colored Abrasion in the lateral aspect of the left. Lower Eyelid is Particul- hemorrhaging coaching. I'm going to skip some portions of this autopsy report captain because there are multiple pages that go through all of these petillo hemorrhaging and all the Hammer Djing. That takes place. We know that we've already discussed it. Strangulation was involved and anybody. That's listened to the show or other true crime shows knows that hemorrhaging occurs during those types of situations but to specifically describe some of the report. Here this part I believed to be important wrapped around the neck with a double not in the mid line of the posterior are. Your neck is a length of white cord similar to that described as being tied around the right wrist. This leg. Sure cord is cut on the right side of the neck. Doc and removed a single black ink. Mark is placed on the left side of the cut and a double black ink mark on the right side of the okay so that portion portion of that last two sentences of his report are describing the pathologists actions he saying I removed it by cutting it and then I placed markers indicating touch took place. The not is left intact extending from the not on. The neck are two tales of the not one measuring four inches in length and having a frayed end and the other measuring seventeen inches in length with the N. tied in multiple loops around a Tan. Brown wooden stick which measures four point five inches. In length this wooden stick is irregularly broken at both ends and there are several colors of paint and varnish on the surface my printed in gold letters on one end of the wooden stick is the word Korea the tail end of the other word extends from beneath the loops of the cord tied around the stick and is not able to be interpreted blonde hair entwined in the not in the cord wrapped around the wooden stick. It appears to be made of white synthetic material also secured around the neck is a gold chain with a single charm in the form of a cross examination of the right extremities is unremarkable on the Middle Finger. Finger of the right hand is a yellow metal band around the right. Wrist is a yellow metal and identification bracelet with the name. Jon Benet on one side and the date twelve twenty five ninety six on the other side. This was a gift from her aunt. I believe from patsies sister. And I mean there's these little sad heartbreaking points in this case all along the way that just remind you of the pure innocence of this little girl and you know she here. She is wearing a gift that she just very recently received. Him was probably very excited to wear this piece of jewelry this she received from her aunt. I mean it just breaks your heart. I also think it's not clear in this is case on how brutal this attack was. And this is the way it was set up almost looked like you'd put a human on a leash and then you'd be pushing their head down as he pulled the the crop back. It's truly horrifying. I don't think that there's any documentary out there that has. I don't know what the right word is here. Captain but I wanNA. Let's say bothered to describe how horrific it would appease injuries. Are they almost make it. Sound like it's sleeping beauty lying in a windowless room in the basement and that's not the situation at all. There's if anybody that seen the pictures read the descriptions and we're going through here you hear the the the medical speak jargon and and it just sounds like textbook shit but really in lay terms it was. It's a horrific attack on a on a tiny little person and yet there's actually two marks on the neck one at the lower part of the neck and then at some point that became free and they go in deeper. And there's actually a couple pictures that you can see how deep the rope goes round throw almost disappears. Yeah and the line that it left at the mid line of the throat. After the fact though I mean it looks like somebody took up. Maroon Maroon Marker a Maroon Sharpie and just drew a line across somebody's neck that's how deep it looked like it was the cord was going into the neck back. There was a red ink line. Drawing in the form of a heart that was found located on the palm of John. Benes left hand hand. The fingernails of both hands are of sufficient length for clipping. And we already discussed that. They use the same clippers to clip. All of the figuring. Now you said that there was no nothing founded neath the nails but I I thought there was some DNA and.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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09:20 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Thanks to everyone who has donated donated to the beer fund. And I don't mean just this week I mean all year long. Yeah for the last however many years. Keep the lights on and you keep beer here in the fridge while an our mouths as well picking up where we left off here captain to put it quite frankly Just to muddy the waters autres even more in this case. We have basically two causes of death. Declared by Mr Myers. MD A term that we will probably blay be discussing quite a bit. I wanted to describe this to everyone. Just so we're all on the same page. As we move forward the term will be Eh Gherat. The general consensus being here that a garage can be made out of many different materials including ropes. Cable ties fishing fishing lines nylon guitar strings telephone cord or piano wire anything of that type of nature. A stick may be used to tighten the garage. This is a Spanish word which actually refers to the stick itself in Spanish. The term may also refer to a rope and stick used to constrict a limb. This basically is a popular murder weapon and for Sadist. It's a torture device. It's unfortunately a term that we've used many times on the shell continuing with our exam here. Captain the deceit is clothed in a long sleeved. White Knit colorless shirt. The chest area contains an embroidered. Silver Star were silver sequence tied loosely around around the right wrist overlying. The sleeve of the shirt is a white cord at the not. There is one tail and which measures five point wing five inches in length with a frayed. End The other tale of the not measures fifteen point five inches in length and ends a double loop knot. This end of the court is also frayed. There are no defects noted in the shirt but the upper right sleeve contains means a dried Brownstein. Two point five by one point five inches believed to be from the nose or mouth. There are long the white underwear with an elastic waistband containing a red and blue stripe. The long underwear are urine stained over the Crotch area and and legs beneath the long underwear are white panties with printed Rosebud and the word Wednesday on the elastic waistband. The underwear is urine stained and the inner aspect of the CROTCH are several red areas of staining measuring up two point five inches. Maximum dimension to touch on this. What we've just reviewed here captain the in regards to the yearn? This is a big big thing in this case because what we would learn very early in the investigation from the ramseys housekeeper offer is that Jon Benet was known to wet the bed quite frequently as well. Her Statement to detectives was that often then when she would come in in the morning that patsy would have already stripped the bed placing the sheets in the washer and then when the housekeeper would get there you know she transfer them to the dryer sheets dried and then apply them back to the bed and this was at times a daily routine. I believe her statement was was that this was a daily routine leading up to about thirty or forty days before the murder and it just kind of gone away. It was almost like Jon Jon. Benet had grown up from that that she was no longer wedding the bed I might be mistaken but I think at one point. She was not wetting the bed and then she started wetting the bed again. That's exactly right. That's the same thing that I heard and I believe that was the statement from the housekeeper. The detectives also also found pull ups. You know like the they're not quite diapers therefore older children. Yeah I wear them. I wear them to concert so I don't. I'll have to take a break to go to the bathroom. I don't WanNa Miss Anything now. I wear them when I'm in the garage. There were pull ups found in the home and there was some question if Jon Benet was known to wear these. I'm guessing that she would. I don't see why pull ups would remain in the house when you have children that are nine and six six years old. Just look at the pictures of their house. Man It's a mess that's true. There's a hot mess. One of the the reason why we point this out here here is that one of the big theories that has lasted all these years. Is that Jon. benet wet the bed that night and in you know Oh anger anger in impulsive reaction Patsy freaks out and throws the kid across the room or hits her over the head with something. And it's this all came about because she wet the bed once again right and patsy had just been through it all and this was the final a straw she lost. It didn't mean to hurt or kill her child but that's what she did and then was like potty training abuse. It's it's actually pretty common like even people that want it. You WanNa think would hit their kids or be violent towards her kids. They can beat lead if the kid is not being potty trained correctly or not able to do such right so we have to address this because we do have in the autopsy report from the external examination that there was urine on the clothing. I do want to point this out go. We should be clear here that this could come about at any time. It doesn't necessarily mean that she one hundred percent wet the a bed that night now this could have she could have. She could have went herself during an attack. That's extremely common. She could've wet herself. After you know indepth yeah so to point to that and say hey. She had two of wet the bed and this is the only. This is the explanation. We've come up with due due to that fact again. I think that's a dangerous assumption to make in this investigation to further this out a little more and I hate to. I hate to throw the warning out there that it's going to get a little gross because it seems only sensical because we they are discussing an autopsy but the fact that our show is called true crime garage in in the When discussing discussing her wedding the bed there's also reports that she has defecated in the bed before multiple times? There's also oh statements that burke would defecate in Jon. benet bed I don't know either. They're one of those to be true. It seems to me like the one that we can really hang our hat on here. That seems to be the most true is the bed wedding situation. This this is brought up by multiple people and the the other bit. I can't say for certain that that I believe either one of those. Now what would be pointed out during this investigation and these aren't my words but bed wedding defecating in the bed things of of that nature. It was pointed out that sometimes that is what you would see when somebody is being molested not only molested but usually when they're being molested by somebody within the home or in the family the reason for that is that in those situations situations sometimes the victim will do that consciously or unconsciously subconsciously. Whatever it is because they want to appear less desirable or gross to the perpetrator? Some was a way of protecting themselves. Correct that I point that out because that is one of the theories as well in this case I also want to stay one hundred percent that. There's never been any evidence before after the murder of Jon Benet Ramsey that John or patsy had they were ever involved in any paraphernalia at all. Yeah 'cause be clear on something. They searched their house. I I they actually called it. It was one magazine that called this murder Kiddie porn murder. They searched the house for Porno and they did not find any right. So and then there's also a rumor that they had all these Books or one.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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13:10 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"After the John Ramsey and fleet white found job as body in the wine cellar located in the basement. John Hurry ran up the stairs. Taking the body auty with him placing the body on the floor of the kitchen. Detective Linda Art then moves the body to the living room. Then aren't orders fleet white you to stand by the door to the basement and guard. The door. Fleet white goes to the door but for some reason runs downstairs to retrieve the duct tape up from the basement floor. This is all taking place between one oh four. PM and one twenty three PM at approximately one thirty PM. Priscilla white calls her home. I'm guessing here captain but this is very likely to halt burke leaving the White House and returning to the ramseys around this same time officers Ron Walker and Larry Mason returned to the scene Saul Giannis Body and then searched the home afterward securing the house shortly after the body was found John. Andrew Ramsay Melinda Ramsey Stewart long arrive at the Ramsey House in Boulder Colorado between one thirty and two P M A detective over. Here's John on the phone. John called a pilot his pilot telling him to ready the plane. This to me is very strange behavior from somebody who has just recovered the body of their six year old daughter right around two PM John Ramsey signs a consent form to search the Ramsey home. Just touching on that that plane plane call to the pilot for a little bit here. The the detectives had to stop John Ramsey from leaving the the Ramsey family from leaving leaving telling the RAMSEYS. Hey you should go anywhere. We have a murder investigation. The crime scenes your home. And you know they're not going to tell them this up front and center here but obviously they're suspects Ryan. I think the way the Ramseys were actually thinking was Elena. Georgia was what they considered a home. So we have this bad thing that happened. We WanNA get back home. We don't want to be here we don't want to be in this house But that does like you said Hellyer investigation. I don't think that enters the investigation of the house or the crime scene but it hinders investigation station and being able to talk with them Adequately yeah and then regarding this consent to search form for the the search warrant if you will or because this makes. It seem like John's being very cooperative. Yeah I technically don't believe this to be an actual search warrant. You know one that you bring before a judge the judge signs off on it. I believe this just a consent to search form signed by John Ramsey. The owner of the home. This is just one of those those other little details within this case that I absolutely cannot stand. Is it regardless you know depending on whose magnifying glass you look at these details from you get a different story on what's going on here. Where the Ramsey defenders I would tell you look? This is proof positive that they were extremely cooperative. Don't bother nick with worrying about that. They wanted to hop on a plane and fly far away. Because this shows how cooperative they are they were signing a consent to search their home form. They have nothing to hide. There are an open book but then the ones that want to come after the ramseys point out there not really an open book because John Later says that that he thought he was signing off on a on on saying that yes you can perform an autopsy on the body right. So it's it's just frustrating. That's one of the most frustrating pieces of this case. Well I think one of the frustrating things is when people say only one huntings the truth right. Can we agree on that. It can't be both. Yeah I wildly. Where they say there's three sides to the truth there's yours mine nine and the actual truth not always But I think there's just the truth but I think with the whole wanting to go back home. He didn't go back home like they did to. The COP said you don't do that. That's a bad idea. But it's so stupid with this case it's like a non-point like yeah he's like let's go back home a don't do that okay. We're not going back home but they didn't. They didn't stay in the House that nobody nobody wanted to be in that house. Oh and I cannot blame them. I and I don't even know of John Ever went back in that house after that day. 'cause they Ended up staying with their friends. But but let's also be clear that around this time. They pulled John into a room by himself and they talked to him for a while and at some point they talked to burke by himself for a while so they do talk to burke. This would be at the he never comes back to the Ramsey's house right so they talk to burke one on one my understanding is it was straight up one on. I'm one burke was still at the friends house right. And he's over there you know playing with the other kids in their distracting him that I that's a troubling Ling aspect to this case too because you can look at just that whole situation in two different ways one are you protecting your child burke by removing him from the situation that could scar him for life. Something extremely traumatizing or are you purposely. Putting him away so that he doesn't disclose some information right by you eventually. Let him talk to the cops one on one John Zaven Room. I'm with him right. So if you're so worried about what he's going to say or if if you knew that he just smashed his six year old sister's head with a flashlight slight you don't let them sit in a room with detective by himself or with friends and others that he could share that information with Willie daily. I mean he's nine years old right. You're not there when they ship them off and also that's not just the ramseys thought process of all Burke Outta here. This was a this was the cops and the Ramseys gone. He needs to be removed from this site. The cops suggested that he should be removed from the the Ramsey home. No I think it was. It was like a collective effort who was a collective idea. I don't think it was just as simple as the Ramsey saying. Hey He needs to get out of here. One thing. I will point now here that I think is very troubling on behalf of the Boulder police and on the RAMSEYS is. If you're working under the scenario the child has been kidnapped from your home. A ransom has been called for in a letter. Wouldn't you want to protect your your remaining child. Wouldn't you feel that that there should be some kind of security charity for this other child rather than sending him off to some friend's house rise it seems it. It's another situation where we can point out that the boulder police clearly did not know how to respond to a kidnapping situation where a ransom is being called called for now but then the other day I think people that are pointing at ramseys constantly. You don't know what it would be like to lose a six year old daughter or how. Yeah you'd react to what you'd be thinking about. I think it'd be hard to think about anything and you go. Oh well they ship them away. So they're not protecting their son. Well it might not even be held to think properly so I think some of their actions right. That's what I mean. That's when the boulder police should have stepped in and I said no this. Is this this home right now secured because we have law enforcement presence here. He safe here right. I I agree and they should have done a better job of training when they got to the scene. Initially they should cleared the whole house and then they would have found her and then the crime crime scene one have been contaminated in there also. What had enough officers? Where you're not having her father pick her up and contaminate evidence and and then have the mother cry over her and contaminate evidence have the detective pick up the victim? Right and contaminate evidence. I mean it's that's pretty. Well not only did. Linda aren't move the body after John moved the body and this is important to the autopsy but she allowed someone to take a blanket as you know sign of To protect their child or no remorse or whatever whatever whatever however many different ways you wanna look at it. She allowed someone to take a blanket and play said over the body once it was removed to move to the living room. Yeah and then. To further that Johnny's feet were still sticking out from the blanket from the bottom of the blanket and lint. I believe Linda aren't told someone to cover up the feet as well so they took a Colorado avalanche the hockey team. They either took a hockey sweater or or sweat shirt and placed it over the feet of the body so what that means to the layperson basically any hairs fibers anything like that. That could have been on. That blanket could have been on that sweat shirt or sweater now is on could be on her body and or clothing. Yeah so it's just truly a mess now. Shortly after John on signs this consent to search form the ramseys leave their home they go to stay with the furnishings remember. We discussed the FERNS. They showed up early that morning. To the Ramsey. Home this The ramseys going to the furnace includes John's older children Johnny Andrew Ramsay and Melinda Ramsey and her boyfriend as well now sometime that afternoon John Ramsey calls and requests a visit from Michael Bynum who is reported to be John Ramsey's close friend and a corporate attorney. It is during this visit so Michael Bynum. He agrees to this visit and his during this visit that same afternoon that John Hires Michael Bynum to represent him and Mr Stor bynum advises the Ramseys at that time that they need to get additional attorneys rival. You're I think you're missing. One step. He actually got a call their lawyer GONNA call. It wasn't hired at the time but but that's why he suggested that John gets lawyer because he got a call from a contact that he had inside the police department. That said they're just trying to make this about you guys. And that's it. And that's when he suggested you need to get a lawyer on December twenty sixth nineteen ninety-six at the home of John and Patsy Ramsey. This is from the report these are the words words of pathological John e Meyer. MD He says the body of the six year old female was first seen by me after I was called to address identified. NFL A seven fifty five Fifteenth Street in Boulder Colorado arrived at the scene approximately eight PM and entered the house where the descendants body was located at approximately approximately eight twenty PM initially viewed the body in the living room of the house. The descendant was lying on her back on the floor covered by a blanket and the Colorado avalanche sweatshirt on removing these two items from the top of the body. The deceit was found to be lying on her back with her arms extended ended up over her head. The head was turned to the right. A brief examination of the body disclosed a ligature around the neck and ligature around the right right. I also noted was a small area of abrasion or contusion below the right ear on the lateral aspect of the right cheek. A prominent imminent dried abrasion was present on the lower left neck. After examining the body. I left the residence at approximately eight thirty PM at ten and forty five. PM on December. Twenty six. The body of six-year-old Jon. benet Ramsey is removed from the family's home before we move onto December twenty seventh seventh captain..

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"And you know you're a horrible person and your and Your Business Sucks. You know what I mean like. But they're the two complementary to him so I I doubt the hatred then we have the weird ending of the letter. They're the victory S. B. T. C. S. BTC. It appears there's no period after the letter C.. Just after the other three letters others people have for so many years have wondered what could S. b. t. c. mean that has always been one of the most popular questions in this case. One of the most popular popular theories is that it stands for Subic Bay Training Center right. Subic Bay is a bay. On the west coast of the island island of Luzon in the Philippines about one hundred kilometers northwest of Moulana Bay and extension of the South China Sea it shores where formerly the site of a major United States Navy facility named US Naval Base Subic Bay which is now the location of an industrial and commercial area known as the Subic Bay. Freeport on under the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority. We point this out because many people have suggested that John Ramsey who was stationed as Subic Bay may hey have come up with this S. B. T. C. because it means Subic Bay training center however in the description that we just gave you it clearly tells you that there is no entity that exists with that name right. Subic Bay Training Center. That's not what that place was called and and as far as I could find there is no training facility station there. Nobody would have any reason to refer to the United States Navy Navy facility named U S Naval Base. Subic Bay as Subic Bay Training Center. Another possibility captain is the S. BTC could mean saved by the cross which could mean a number of different things statement. Analysis says this is because of the ramseys professed faith in God and because the word victory precedes the initials S. BTC as all Christians know is through Christ's sacrifice on on the cross that we have victory over death. The ramseys were religious and attended church. As we mentioned in the timeline. Patsy beat cancer answer to and it has also been suggested that saved by the cross is a reference to patsies victory over cancer as BTC could could would have meaning to the perpetrator or to the perpetrators relationship to the RAMSEYS. Org Jon Benet or what is probably the most likely situation relation is that it means nothing at all that it has no real relevance to the case at all I believe Patsy at one point when asked. SBA could mean she said son of a bitch. Tom Carter which was someone the family knew but that of course it just seems like like Kooky Talk. I mean. It's just yeah. She had no filter really right. Well you know I do like that about her. There's a certain charm charm. John has too much filter right then. PATSY has no filter. Yeah it's Son of a Bitch Tom Card while there is a guy I that they look into and one of the new documentaries where he would sign his name he had like aliases And and the t would stand for truth so it was his alias but he would put truth in there but again they once you do more research search you go while this guy was connected to Colorado. But he couldn't have been there at the time so I think everybody's grabbing at straws trawls for this one I questioned the letters themselves so S. B. T. C.. That's what we're assuming is because again uh I think one of the things that really points to the fact that patsy didn't write this no because if she's calling nine one one this would have been not not much after she already wrote the note. Bright it could have been minutes could have been hours by. They asked her who wrote the know. Now who's at from and you almost here you have to. You almost hear the thinking though wheels turning and she asked to go to the back and say. SP T. C.. Then she reads up victory If she wrote this now she would. Yeah your your your knee jerk. Reaction would be to say victories. BTC or just simply SBC. Yeah without a pause who are the no. SBC Okay. Well more likely that she wrote the note but when she has a search through it because she claims she didn't even read the whole note She got to the point where you have my daughter. Oh Shit Shit I gotta go check on my daughter. Oh Shit John John Yeah come help me all we you know John Maybe reads the no. Maybe doesn't maybe we get the same part. We got a call the police and then at some point. You're going how shit now we call the police. But they're telling us not to call the police but again she reads up and she says as BTC victory If she wrote the now you said start with victory as BTC or say s BTC quicker. I questioned the letters and this is what I mean by Patsy. Ramsey is the one that determined this is S. BTC This is pretty sloppy handwriting. I don't know if that tea is a tea. Or if it was supposed to be possibly a Jay Jay because because if you look at every other T- son of a bitch John Carter some of his term if you look at every other t the bottom swoosh Sean t goes out to the right and when you look at this t- it almost looks like there's a dot Well it is a felt tip pen. Okay so I do WanNa throw this in there. According to Steve Thomas they had verification from the Secret Service United States secret service that one of the felt tip pens in the little. You know everybody's got their little pen pencil holder that contains multiple pens ends and pencils that that pen and Pencil holder contained a felt pen that authored the letter. According to Steve Thomas and according to what he states is proof from the secret service said they were able to determine that the the die or the ink doc I guess would be better to say was Was a perfect match for one particular pen in that that holder. Why point that out felt tip pen because if you anybody that's use them often knows if you just kind of hesitate to pick up your pen it will leave? What looks to be a dot at the bottom of a letter or at the at the end of a stroke that you just finished? Yeah which I get but again and I think this is more deliberate and the reason why is because look at every you when they see why. Oh you right at the bottom of.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"You get this happy cheery message about the Ramsey family and then find out that same day. The little girl that you read about in their Christmas message has been killed. Yeah also in these statements in this letter we have an unnecessary the word over any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you also be denied her remains for for proper burial. The two gentlemen watching over your daughter unnecessary words are words that can be taken out of a sentence taken out his letter completely. Lately in the sentence still makes sense. The rider could have stated the two gentlemen watching your daughter. Extra words give us extra information. What is the the difference between watching over someone and watching someone? According to statement analysis dot Com they say the best example is in reference to God. If someone were to say that God is watching over me then you have God keeping his distance he sees the person here she. I don't WanNa get into to that argument here. She sees the person but also sees the entire world at the same time. God can see the person because they are apart of the world while God is watching over that person they are also watching over others. The word over means God is spreading spreading his watchful eye upon the earth. Now if someone were to write or to say God is watching you it becomes more personal. It's a focused attention right. Another example would be if a friend asks you to watch over his house while he was out of town and this case he probably wants you to stop by every once in a while and make sure everything is okay. Maybe you'll pick up the mail. Water the plants. Whatever however if he asked you to watch his house he probably wants you to house it to stay there right? You want you to be there where you can keep a close eye on things. So on December twenty six. I think something else that we should point out is. This would have been Thursday so yes people are off work normally on Christmas. But there's a lot of people that go back to work on that Thursday so if it's not written by Patsy Ramsey I believe I would have to be written by somebody that knew that they had time to do this that that day possibly somebody that doesn't have a job or or is off work which could be a lot of people apple But I think it's important to point out. Oh Santa Claus is spent the whole time working just before that so I'm sure he is often often resting on that day. Statement analysis goes on while we're talking about words that are unnecessary. They go onto ad in a kidnapping. The kidnappers should be watching the abductee meaning. The word watching is also unnecessary. It would be understood. They will want to keep a close eye on her. They they want to make sure she does not escape or alert. Someone that she needs help they will want to make sure she doesn't harm herself. If her being alive live is dependent upon them receiving the ransom when the writer of the ransom note said they were watching over. Jon Benet the writer was telling us they were not keeping a close eye on her. There are only two reasons why you would not closely watch your hostage. One if you knew for certain certain she was all right and could not escape or two if you knew she was dead since dead body isn't going anywhere it it is something you watch over not keep a close eye on right. So let's be clear about this if it's Patsy Ramsey or somebody in the Ramsey household household then we know that Johnny is dead and so some of this stuff points to that brain My issue as always been the person it's an intruder they had time. So why wouldn't you write the note beforehand. If the goal was to take Jon Benet at the House the whole kidnapping suggests be a ruse. They maybe they even want money. They just are going to use this as a ruse to give them more time right watching over and all that stuff might not make any sense I to me it's less likely that the intruder ruder takes her to the basement. Kills her on purpose or on accident and then decides to write a note. My gut feeling says if it's an intruder the note was written before the death of job name and it's just immaturity Nana season criminal. Not a you know but I also think a lot of the stuff is leading to somebody with them. These education decent ability to who right I believe the person is giving too many clues on their close to the family and again. I don't know if the the dollar amount matters at all I WANNA stay on this for a little bit because I personally do not believe that the what statement analysis dot Com is stating here here in its simplest form that based on the language used in the letter. It appears that the writer already knew that Jon Benet was dead when writing the ransom ransom. Note right I don't really firmly agree with that and I think that when they say that they are trying to indicate that that means that it has to be patsy and John or Patsy by herself writing this letter already knowing that the daughter is dead. Right I I don't believe that. So much but staying staying on this idea of additional words or unnecessary words I go back to the we are a small foreign faction. We are a group group of individuals. The men watching over your daughter. This is a group watching over. Could actually apply the watching over your. Your daughter could make sense as we can't assume we know everything that the kidnapper has planned regardless of the long letter left on the spiral staircase. This watching over could be intended to imply. Simply the men took your daughter. I am the mastermind of this operation. And I'm leaving the ransom. No after after the fact they are elsewhere watching over your daughter the two men watching over your daughter do not particularly like you when we look at a copy of the ransom letter we find the writer originally wrote do particularly like you. The word not was written above the space between the words do and particularly align was then drawn indicating that the word not should be inserted between these words all right then we have of any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied. Her remains for proper burial. The two gentlemen and I'm watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so advise you not to provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police FBI et Cetera. Tre will result in your daughter being beheaded saying that Jon Benet will be beheaded is very unusual. Statement Analysis says in the United States. We generally do not talk about beheading people. This was put in the no in their opinion to make it look like a foreign faction was being being behind this kidnapping right now for me captain. This is the line that I have always questioned the most. Let's say Jon Benet died in in some kind of accident and then the parents covered it up. which is a very popular theory so they covered up and then write this ransom letter? They would still still be very upset about the death of their small child. They would still be grieving parents in a way. I can't I have a very it. Difficult time. Believing that parents for any reason would reference the beheading of their own child right. It's not not necessarily to throw that in that note to cover up an accidental death or something else your small foreign faction in the beheading makes me think and the season season right. Tis The season for one of the best Christmas movies of all time. And if you don't think it's a Christmas movie you're just wrong diehard makes me. I think that somebody watched die hard too much and went out. Yeah Foreign Faction You know be heading. This is the terms that they would use bright. If we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies. If you alert bank authorities. She dies if the money is in any way marked or tampered with. She dies as you will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she dies four times the writer uses the phrase. She dies if Jon uh-huh was still alive. The writer should have been speaking in the future. Tense she will die. This is a strong indication that the re the writer again knows that Jon Benet was dead at the time. This is again that same website kind of pointing out to the that we could have a cover up here by the the parents yet again. The cover-up makes more sense than but as far as the she dies. Okay while then she they would say well she will die die. This could be something going. Well that's this would sound more like a terrorist would talk. That's right she dies and and then after this she dies this this is this would be the terrorist or the threat level being turned up. Crank it up to eleven right scare the hell out of the out of the parents now. I really liked this portion that I found here it states. There are three times when the writer use an exclamation point exclamation points as we all know are used to add emphasis to the statement. Listen carefully this has an exclamation point and talking about killing Johnny. The writer does not use any exclamation points. Four Times the writer wrote sheet is we would expect this to be a point of emphasis in the letter but did not use them. When talking about killing Jon Benet this too may indicate indicate? The Jon Benet was already dead in the author. Knew this at this time. There are can you. You've been kind of hinting at this all day long here there. There are several movie references or close to quotes found within this ransom. Letter in the movie. Dirty Harry Inspector Harry Callahan Clint Eastwood. I Love Clint Eastwood. Is Looking for Scorpio. A man who kidnapped a little girl when talking to Scorpio on the phone several times time. Scorpio tells inspector Callahan. If he does not follow his orders the girl dies as opposed to saying the girl will die in the movie. The girl was was already dead in the ransom note. Jon Benet was already dead another very interesting thing. Is the letter only names John Ramsey by name. No one else I it's Mr Ramsey and then simply John. The note is addressed to Mr Ramsey however towards the end of the letter Mr Ramsey becomes John ongoing have a practice now at some point. Yes where it's It's addressed to both of to them so in the believed or what is called the Rough draft or the first draft often referred to as the practice note practice letter they find in the same note pad. It's believed that. Did this. Ransom letter came from the same note pad that they later found At the top of a page somebody wrote Mr and MRS I. It looks like I because what the the authorities authorities state is it. That is the down stroke for a capital are that the intention was for to be Mr and Mrs Ramsay Z.. And then before even completing the capital are the author change their mind and then decided to address the letter simply to Mr Mr Ramsey just to John Right which look this is a pad that.

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"I just have such a big issue with this whole that. Look this case. This investigation is salacious enough without coming up with Halloween stories to add on top of it. But there's always been the speculation Out there throughout the years that all one hundred eighteen is significant because it references psalm. One eighteen from the Bible and the Family Bible inside the Ramsey home was turned to psalm. One eighteen which discusses child sacrifice in the Ramsey's are satanists right. Sorry that that just doesn't make any damn sense. It doesn't add up number one number two point hold on if you got sacrificed warner kids I mean. Don't you pick the ugly one. I don't know the I don't know the first thing about child sacrifice or the or sacrificing my own child but what I will point out is is the law enforcement stated first of all. The Family Bible was not turned to some one eighteen. That never happened. They never found that. To be the case it wasn't marked. It wasn't bookmarked Psalm. One eighteen doesn't seem to hold any significance. To this case for the Ramseys on top of that read the Bible Psalm. One eighteen doesn't discuss child sacrifice. So it's just it's just a theory. That's all kinds of wrong. It's interesting it would make like for a good movie. If you're put together good horror flick that would be something of interest but it doesn't seem to mean anything now. I like what John Douglas States about the amount of one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. He states that you know that if you were to convert that money to another currency Douglas Douglas points out that. At the time Nineteen ninety-six one hundred eighteen thousand dollars. Roughly translates to a million pesos. See so either either pointing out again as a little wink wink hint situation that this could be a foreign entity or a foreign person or he also states. You know it could be somebody that was younger and looking to flee the area after receiving the money and and hide out Mexico. Yeah so it's interesting that there are several different reasons for the possibility of this this odd amount and again John Ramsey himself agrees is that the the number is probably significant to the killer. Now the phrase I actually I should say this captain just before moving on also like other things with this case it could have no significance at all. It could just be one of those weird things. That's the amount that some crazy sicko go on the spot came up with and that's all you know and that's all it means now. It's totally a coincidence. Then we have the phrase your account in the letter. This is interesting. The author could have just said the bank. You know you get the money from the bank right and I'm not your account. Also this is implying that the kidnapper knows that. There's that dollar amount at least in John Ramsey's account then. If patsy Ramsey was the author then we can see how and targeting the note toward her husband she would use the phrase your account versus my account. Right make you know. Make sure that you bring inadequate size attache to the bank. Most kidnappers are not going going to remind you to bring an adequate size case to hold the money. Plus this has got to be a rather uncommon word I can. I can think of only a handful of times other than the Ramsey case where I have even heard the word attache us or seen it on a piece of paper her. Yup I again this to me points. I mean we we gotta look intelligence level and I would say that this individual writing the note whether it's Patsy Patsy or somebody else we know. Patsy has a higher education. I if it's not patsy at somebody else with higher education because I just don't think that ah they would even try to use that word then. The suggestion that you be well rested. I'm surprised they didn't right. EAT OATMEAL for breakfast. You're going to need your strength. It the kidnapper. Frankly doesn't give a shit if you're well rested right or not you know doesn't care about your feelings. Feelings are about your your health your physical well being. They want their money. But again this could be immaturity. This could be somebody quoting dumb shit from a moon addressing. This could be this could be patsy not understanding how to be a as aggressive verbs. Maybe as she should or this could be somebody. That's actually close to the Ramsey family. that it this is like A. You're writing seen too much. You're giving too much away and and I think a lot of people believe that little tells like this point to that it's somebody that knows the family. The word attache was written with an accent place over the letter e most people in the US do not use this special character actor. It may have been used because the writer wanted the authorities to believe Jon Benet was kidnapped by a foreign faction right the rider. May they have used it because he or she is educated. The other thing we have to make take into consideration is that Jon Benet. His name was written with an accent. Patsy Ramsey was accustomed to using the accent when writing her daughter's name. Yes she all. She wanted her daughters author's name to sound French right. So you will withdraw one hundred eighteen thousand dollars from your account. One hundred thousand will be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills. Make sure that you bring an adequate size attache to the bank. When you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag? I will call you between eight and ten. Am Tomorrow to instruct you on delivery. The delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested. If we monitor you getting earning the money early. We might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter. Note the author third row delivery of your daughter if you see this on if you go and look up the actual paper right. Yeah the author wrote delivery of your daughter crossed crossed out delivery and wrote pick up of your daughter so it reads mistakes and all we might call you early to arrange range and earlier delivery of the money and Hanson earlier delivery pickup of your daughter. The writer started to say that upon receiving the money he or they would deliver Jon Benet to the parents then realizing that a kidnapper would not deliver the hostage right but would tell the family family where she could be found therefore he changed it to pick up its Alpha that a a well thought out kidnapper would make this mistake. It's a strong wrong indication that the the writer was not an experienced criminal. Yeah which makes this case even more baffling because that no oh makes a lot more sense if if it's patsy writing the note and just really bad at writing a ransom note to cover it up and this is one the points where she goes Enhance Right She was kind of commonly known to use that phrase and I believe even burke uses that phrase when he when he's questioned by authorities but again is immaturity as this this somebody that's just trying to throw people off the set but also we might do this earlier instead of the call. I wonder if you're viewing Patsy as the author is this Setting up for them to change changed planes on the police if they have to. But I also think that depending on when you wrote this no and in what manner you did this this would be kind of a weird thing to kind of come up with off the top of your head yeah. Let's there's a lot to really dive into in this couple sentences sentences I believe so i. The word monitor implies a continual surveillance. This is further emphasized when the writer states you you and your family are under constant constant. Scrutiny the kidnapper would have US believe they are continually watching the Ramsey family which is very highly l. e. unlikely one but two goes back to that line of if we if we see you getting the money earlier we're going going to we'll make earlier arrangements to return your daughter right. A kind of. It's kind of underlining that yeah we are watching you and we will know when you go to get at the money the word hence as you pointed out is incredibly interesting. It's not a common word. The word hence is a former way of of saying therefore the rider starts out. The ransom note misspelling words giving the appearance that they are uneducated however his or their educational level begins to show when they use words such as hence we see the same writing style in the Ramsey's Christmas this message on December Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety seven the first United Methodist Church in Boulder Colorado held a memorial service for Jon Benet in the program. There was a message a Christmas message from the Ramsey family. This message was also posted on the Ramsey families website. In the message we find the statement had there been no birth of Christ there would be no hope of eternal life and hence no hope of of ever being with our loved ones again. Yeah it's suspicious but if there's also a enhance and their Christmas letter maybe it's again somebody that God that Christmas letter but this is the year after she was killed now but didn't say that there was and there was a in the original Chris- uh-huh Christmas letter that people would have gotten nineteen ninety-six as there are no enhance and that one I would have to go back and review that. I don't believe that there is is a and hence but there this this fact is from their December fourteenth nineteen ninety seven. Messages is memorial to Jon. benet right so that's very suspicious towards patsy Ramsey but if again like I said Burke a couple times I am says enhance and his. I guess you can call interrogation tapes questioning tapes. Is it just somebody. That's close to the family and knows that enhances something that Patsy Ramsey uses so therefore I I use it and my letter not so much suspicious towards Patsy patsy Ramsey but more of a clue that hey I know you were close you you WanNa hear one sad thing you. You mentioned their Christmas slender. And I I forgot about this. There's so many things involved in this case so many details involved in this case and regarding their Christmas letter that we we discussed last week that they sent out to their friends and family. Yeah they send it out so late in December. I believe I've heard the statement that everyone but just for the sake of being fair and not having that in my notes specifically I will stay the that that statement was most of the people receiving most of the recipients of that letter you're received it on December twenty sixth the same day that they had to tell friends and family. That Jon Benet was killed right. So just what a sad sad thing for.

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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Examining the 911 call of the JonBenet Ramsey case

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15:13 min | 1 year ago

Examining the 911 call of the JonBenet Ramsey case

"Fine-tuning what's going on okay. Noteworthy left in your daughter. How old is your daughter important? How long ago was the same ransom? Note here it's a random victory place Okay what's your name. Are you okay. How long she she thinks we do? Tweet I am honey. I take a deep breath told okay. Thank you for the beautiful trailer for this week. Here captain and thank you for playing patsies nine one one call now just to clear up any type of confusion. I think we should jump right into a transcript of that nine one one call so we can all have a clear understanding what is said on both ends ends from the nine one one operator as well as Patsy Ramsey when nine one one picks up the call. Patsy Ramsey says police on one. What's what's going on Ma'am Patsy Ramsey? Seven fifty five Fifteenth Street. What's going on there Ma'am Patsy? We have a kidnapping hurry please. He's nine one one explained to me what's going on. Okay patsy there we have A. There's a note left and our daughter's gone nine. One one note was left in your daughter's gone patsy. Yes nine one one. How old is your daughter? She is six six years old. She's blonde six years old. How long ago was this patsy? I don't know I just got the no in my daughter's gone nine one one. Does it say who took her patsy. What nine one one does it say? Who took her Pazzi? No I don't know there's a ransom handsome. No here nine one. It's a ransom note patsy it. SAYS SB T sea victory. Please nine one one okay. Okay what's your name or you Cath Asi Patsy Ramsey on the mother. Oh my God please nine one one. Okay I'm sending an officer Sir over okay patsy please nine one one. Do you know how long she's been gone. No I don't please. We just got up and she's not here here. Oh my God please nine one one okay. Cal- patsy please send somebody nine one. I am honey patsy. Please nine one one take a deep breath and patsy. She says hurry. Hurry hurry nine. One one says Pazzi Pazzi Pazzi. At the start part of this call. It appears the Patsy Ramsey is asking for the police. Now we only hear her say police. There are some reports that state that that that is inaudible that we cannot tell what Patsy is saying in that first line yeah. There's some people that speculate that she actually goes to say ambulance and and cuts herself off and says police. She's immediately asked what is going on to which she responds giving her address again. What is going on there ma'am? She states dates. We have a kidnapping hurry please. What I decipher from this? Very quick little snippet at the beginning of the call is I kind of think good and bad when we look at the the scales of Justice in regards to Patsy Ramsey. She's doing exactly what I would expect a mother who is terrified. Ah what could be going on. Her daughter's gone and found a ransom. Note right she is asking for the type of help that she needs police. She is asking. She is stating where she is located and immediately stating stating the problem at hand we kidnapping and then asking hurry please. We've gone through a lot of these nine one one calls over the years. Yeah yeah they drive me nuts. One thing that I've always called into question is when we have a lengthy call and the person is failing to ask for help to respond to the situation until later in the call right here this call roughly is about. I was trying the time it. It's roughly it's a little over a minute. Forty two seconds or something and we have within seven seconds of the call all she is actually asking for help. She's asking for someone to respond to the scene right so I think a good sign for patsy where I say that I think a bad sign signed for Patsy is and this might be just too much speculation on my part but it almost appears to me and somewhat of a manner that she I believe that she could ask for the type of help that she wants police or ambulance. She states where they are located and states. The problem at hand kidnapping happing part of me wonders if she thought that the conversation was going to go any further than that right it okay. Now I'm off the hook. I've made this call. I've told told them to help that. We need. Let's wait for them to respond very good here. We had the nine one one operator asking again. Explain to me what is going on. Okay okay one thing that I will point out that I think is good for Patsy. Ramsey here is unwilling. You mean good good in the sense that let's say she's innocent of any wrongdoing. She goes immediately into we have A. There's a note left in our daughter's gone meaning. Where my first suspicion was that this? This conversation was going to be over soon as she said. There's a kidnapping please hurry right. Then she's asks what is going on. She without hesitation goes into what is going on. She doesn't stumble. You know like I would expect somebody that has has a lot to hide to possibly stumble at that point in the conversation. A lot up. Yeah a lot of us And then there several back and forth about you know our daughter's daughter's gone and there's a note here. She gives a brief description. The at six years old she's blonde. She's a six year old girl down a lot of people label give her a check mark in the and the guilty column for never saying her daughter's name but in fairness to Patsy Ramsey. She's never asked what the daughter's name is. How old is she Karachi your name correct and then we do have a portion here where I find it interesting that nine one one is okay? What's your name? Are you calf so there. Several there are several versions Asians of this call out there right. I find this one to be the most complete one that I have seen and so I'm going with this one. I hear a her. Say The operator. Say Our Cath. which just I find that interesting? Because it doesn't she doesn't seem to know where the calls coming from from at that time almost she's GonNa ask her are you Kathleen or Kathy right but yeah I think it's probably just inaudible and and that's the closest somebody could put down to decipher so I have patsy Ramsey. Of course she's asking for help numerous amorous times asking that they please hurry numerous times throughout this call even in this very short call six or seven seconds into. It is the first time that she asked for our help. And then again around the forty second mark and basically the whole second half of the call is her asking for help or for them to please hurry. Okay so where I always stand on. Those is if we have a situation where somebody calls nine one one and they are not asking for help. Because that's essentially that's all nine one on one is therefore for you to call and request help assistance of some sort. Yeah my issue with a lot of these non one causes is just the the lack of calmness and and obviously that's easier said than done but yes you read the note you yelled for your husband you ran to your husband. You had some kind of conversation with your husband. He reads the note and he says AAC Copley's which one have the two individuals. We know which ones calmer John Ramsey. So maybe you should call because like you said after you asked for help. Maybe that's that's where you think it should stop. Its where it doesn't stop so nine one one is going to keep you whoever calls on the line as long as they can unless unless you have really good reason to not be on the call. Yeah this this call also gets put into question because I would think when you start talking to somebody and saying hey we have emergency. Here's where we're at by me talking to you. The reason why they keep you on the phone is to start calming you down. So as you as the call progresses. Patsy doesn't get more calm. I think this this to me is either a sign that she's faking it. And she's a drama queen or this says happening in real time on. This happened so quickly and as they're asking her questions she still processing the fact that her kid is gone on. And what the hell are we going to do. And one of the things I find really interesting. I believe John. Douglas talks about this. This is one of the key things that he believes that she didn't know much about the note and go get to the note later. Ballade people speculate that she wrote it while she wrote it and they said WHO's the note from that if she was really familiar with the note she she would adjust said as BTC. But it's almost like she asked flip to that part of the note and then she reads from down to upwards reads S. B. T. C.. That makes no sense so she goes to the next word to try to find the answer S. B. T. C.. Nope that's not a good answer victory. Oh that's not good answer either she. I'm saying so. If somebody is more familiar with the no they probably went out. Read from down to up probably when it had to flip to the back To the third page aged to find the answer. That's assuming that that she's doing that. But it sounds like the way she's describing things on that nine one one call. It sounds as if that that is in fact what she is doing. Yeah it'd be very good acting. I would think if she's faking. That you said Drama Queen. I do believe she took some trauma courses. This is the in high school or College. I B here's what drives me. Nuts is like on the where always constantly going. Well here's how I would've reacted or this is how I think somebody should react. Where because if you did if John Ramsey called and said my name is John Ramsey my my daughter Jon Benet Ramsey's missing? She's six years old she's blonde. She's about however tall that they would persecute him for being into com- Not being emotional enough right well I to me. I don't try to look too much into the to try to figure throughout the emotions of the person making the call. I never do that. My whole thing is just I always question win. They are finally asking for help. Because that's that's what nine one one is. It's truly a life line. It is their only to be asking for help and Dan when somebody is in a situation as severe as this. I expect them to be asking for help very quickly in the call and the reason why I always reference that is because if it's a put on if you're only calling nine one one because you feel that that's what you are supposed to do or how you are supposed to act in the situation and you in fact it something terrible then really. You don't want help to show up inside deep down inside you. You're hoping it's delayed as possible because you don't want to have to explain anything to anyone right because you don't want them to know what you've done so I always take that into account when I when I listen these. I never tried to listen to the emotion because as you very Very well pointed out. We don't know how each one of us would behave or react to these different situations. We there is no right way to act or wrong way to behave on these calls and the car gets a little more interesting at the end because there is no okay. See you later or will be here waiting. There's no and end and that's where I believe possibly at that point. John Ramsey is trying to tell patsy Ramsey. Something there's something going on at that House that is pulling her attention away from the phone call in that point. Gone that minute and and forty some seconds on the phone to that mother could have felt like an hour so she might have been like look. I said all I need to say now. There's stuff going on here And now I'm talking to these individuals than the phone hangs up and it's always been kind of a mystery what it has been said at the Ed this is from a two thousand sixteen story on Bustle Dot Com. There's long been debate Over what exactly happened at the tail end of the of the recording was some arguing. The call did not immediately disconnect after patsy hung up the receiver and that a third voice can be heard the nine one one tape has been analyzed nine times nine different times by everyone

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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03:43 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

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10:40 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on True Crime Garage

"Would be very few little girls as famous as blond six year year. Old Jon Benet Patricia Ramsey. She was born in Atlanta Georgia on August. Sixth Nineteen Ninety two parents. Jon Benet Ramsey and Patricia Ann. Dan Ramsey her name is unique as it was was a combination of her father's first and middle names. Her Father John was a wealthy businessman and her mother. Patsy was a former beauty queen. John Ramsey was a smart calculated and determined man. He graduated from Michigan State University in Nineteen Sixty thirty six with an electrical engineering degree. Five years later a masters in Business Administration from MSU. John was married before before he and his first wife had three children. Elizabeth Melinda and John Andrew but the to divorce in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight on November fifth nineteen eighty he married. What many considered to be the woman of his dreams twenty-three-year-old Patricia and Paul Yup better known as Patsy? Patsy attended West Virginia University and graduated with a BA in journalism and nineteen seventy eight just a year before four. She won the Miss West Virginia beauty title in Nineteen Seventy seven on January twenty seventh nineteen eighty-seven Patsy gave birth to the couple's pulls first child Burke Ramsey then three and a half years later they welcomed their second child. Jon Benet in Nineteen Ninety one one. The family moved to Boulder Colorado for John's business access graphics. A little background here. John was extremely hard working and driven. He was an entrepreneur. He started a computer company in the eighties. Eventually his company and two other companies merged nineteen eighty-eight this formed access this graphics the company was then sold to Lockheed Martin in Nineteen ninety-one John became the chief executive officer and president went up access graphics thus sparking the family to set up shop and Beautiful Boulder Colorado the ramseys purchased a seven thousand square foot. Home the address. Seven fifty five Fifteenth Street Boulder Colorado. The home was purchased for five hundred thousand dollars. Some reports state eight. The home is eleven thousand square feet. But I believe that would include. Maybe the basement balconies and other areas. We all know how the real estate listing game works they also did a very extensive renovation on the property as well speaking of which I will do my best impression. Here it's a beautiful. Red Brick Tudor style home built in nineteen twenty seven. There are four floors including the basement. The basement is made up of a series of small rooms the home it features two staircases one traditional and one spiral there are five bedrooms burke and John Benes rooms are located on the second second story. Job As room is complete with its own bathroom and balcony. The master suite is above the children's rooms located on the third story. The ramseys Patsy in particular loved this House. The ramseys were riding pretty high but unfortunately life is often a series of peaks and valleys sadly on January Eighth Nineteen ninety-two John Ramsey's oldest daughter. From his first marriage Elizabeth Ramsay was killed in an automobile automobile accident in Chicago Illinois. She was just twenty two years old on December twenty third nineteen ninety-two. The ramseys purchased a one thousand seven hundred in thirty one square foot vacation home in Charlevoix Michigan for three hundred and thirty six thousand dollars for those unfamiliar. This is an absolutely a beautiful area. Northern Michigan right along Lake Michigan absolutely gorgeous in June of ninety three. Patsy Ramsey is diagnosed with breast cancer. Sir For this. She will receive exams at the Charlevoix Community Hospital and treatments in Maryland. Now we're going to go through a pretty thorough timeline for for the Ramsey family. Some of these events may seem trivial however given the crime that we know is going to occur these items were included in this time. Line line because of the possibilities and the suspicions surrounding this case in Nineteen ninety-four seven-year-old Burke hits his little sister Zhabei on the cheek with a golf club. Well let's be clear. This is not a situation where burke decided. I don't like you and I'm going to smash smashing the face with a golf club. This was purely an accident. This wasn't like the time my brother hit me in the back with a baseball bat because he was trying to kill me. I questioned this at first glance because we do know that children siblings will fight with one another and they can be quite vicious dishes at times plus when they're very young as they would be in this situation. It's an impulsive thing to pick up a club and hit your sister your brother other with because they did something mean to you. I am burke only being seven years old. He won't be thinking if I hit her in the face with a golf club. I could possibly kill her right. This could have lasting consequences however everything that we could find only indicates that this was just an accident accident and believe it or not in my own life. I've experienced a situation where one of my friends accidentally hit another friend in the the face with a golf club and the vase on the back swing because the person was standing too close as the other person was taking swing. We don't have the details of of this specific accident however again everything indicates that it was just that an accident right but it was pretty vicious. Because Jon benet would be left with scar a short time later. Johnny underwent plastic surgery at a surgeon in Denver this to correct that scar on the left cheek from from the golf club. Incident and December of nineteen ninety four. The ramseys giant beautiful home is one of just seven homes in the area to be included in the historic homes for the holidays tour. This is important for a few reasons mainly this means that approximately fifteen hundred people will participate dissipate in a tour of the ramseys property and the house in April of one thousand nine hundred five four year old Jon Benet Ramsey wins the Colorado auto state all star. Kids paget out. She will participate and win several pageants. I'm not going to go through all of them captain. Frankly when research searched well you get a bunch of different information so I will just stick to the ones that I can confirm. or at least have double-checked October of Nineteen ninety-five was a happy and exciting month. For the Ramsey family. Jon Benet was crowned Little Miss Colorado Sunburst and John Ramsay was the winner of the Entrepreneur of distinction award but to be clear. I don't think like her whole family was revolved around her winning something. I think it was nice. When she wan- they devoted a lot of time doing it but I don't think it made the families year if she got some award regarding John Ramsey's he's business keep in mind? Access graphics is doing very well in the company is growing in sales and staff quite rapidly. Then it was patsies turned to receive some recognition. This came when the April nineteen ninety-six issue of Women's magazine Profiled Patsy Ramsey this article of course will include a lot of her personal information but also a lot of personal information about John and the kids then in July of Nineteen ninety-six. Jon Benet one. America's royal tiny miss the following month. She finishes second and the the Sunburst National Pageant. This pageant was held in Atlanta Georgia. On Saturday November thirtieth John Ramsey host host a surprise fortieth birthday party for his wife of sixteen years and this is truly a surprise as her actual birthday is not until December twenty ninth. This was a big fortieth birthday celebration for Patsy held at the Palace Hotel in Denver is laws speculation though that she was not looking forward to this time and was actually very upset about turning forty then on December six during the lights of December parade. Jon Tape appeared on her own little Miss Colorado float. This is an annual parade where spectators enjoy floats created and decorated by local businesses churches and civic groups. The parade often includes marching bands fire engines holiday carolers and an appearance by Santa Claus. This takes place in downtown. Boulder in Nineteen ninety-six Burke was in this parade as well on Friday December thirteenth. There is is a big holiday party at the Ramsey home. This is attended by more than one hundred and fifty of their friends from Church so again just pointing out another event then at their house with a lot of guest so what we are quickly learning is this is a house that has many people who have been in and is often opened up too many guests over just the few years that they have owned the home. Four days later on the seventeenth the six year old was crowned Colorado's. Those little Miss Christmas. This is one of the larger pageants. She has participated in and certainly in achieving moment and and in hindsight really kind of just an eerie weird thing. The job in a would be named the nineteen ninety-six Little Miss Christmas. Now we don't have a date but I want to make sure that we include this here. There's a report that this took place some time. In December uh of ninety six and this comes from a statement to law enforcement at some time. In December. Jon Benet tells a gardener. This is Brian Brian Scott about her father John Ramsey..

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"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

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02:48 min | 1 year ago

"jonbenet ramsey" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"What if your daughter was taken from you just five short years removed from the loss of another other one your daughter's you just recovered as much as one can recover from the first loss you just rebuilt your life after divorce and death spectacularly rebuilt it and and then this happens? Could it get worse than that yes sadly there is almost always room for at least a little bit of worse what if view of the one to find her dead body and then you became one of the prime suspects in her murder and your wife became another and then your nine year old son became the third what if the court quarter public opinion decided that one of you to of you are all of you had to have killed your daughter and then that stigma followed you for the rest of your life and then you're self-made fortune faded away the homes and the boats and more sold to pay for massive legal fees tabloid after tabloid accusing you of murder everywhere you go people looking at you and discussed it doesn't get much worse than that and this is exactly what may have happened to John Bennett Ramsey father of the six-year-old beauty pageant winner Jon Benet Ramsey who was murdered the Ramsey Colorado home in nineteen ninety six despite being publicly exonerated by the district attorney's office as a suspect in his daughter's death years after first being accused jonbenet Albany Ramsey's murder still remains unsolved many still thinker father John had something to do with it. Do I think he did it or had something to do with it. Did his wife do it or I don't know. I really don't my God. This is a confusing one. I felt dizzy doing this research more. You unravel this case. The more complicated gets right when you think you know who did it. A new piece of the puzzle comes along away just obliterates all of your former resolve curious what conclusions you'll come to today. We take a deep dive into the mysterious murder of Jon Benet Ramsey. One of the most infamous unsolved murder cases in American history on another who done it true crime edition of time suck. This is Michael McDonald and you're listening to time suck overstate happy Monday made sacks the content parade continues here ear on time suck a hundred and fifty eight straight weeks of deep dives dives. I've gotten deeper each year just over three years now yeah Ya AH HAIL NIMROD BE GONE LOSE Phoenix Praise bojangles praise Michael McDonald triple lamb Michael Mother fucking McDonalds and thanks for listening because it has been three years we just released a reprint of the very first time suck t for anniversary a little birthday here on the show. The original tea features the original logo so many of you probably have never even seen that logo the Oh gee I edition tea.

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