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Jon Snow

How I Found My Voice

43:24 min | 1 year ago

Jon Snow

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I pace in in every booking you get unlimited mileage additional drivers philly comprehensive insurance and even the congestion and dot charging pleaded. So if you're a Londoner who wants to rent a car in in style. Download the APP today. Now let's go to this week's episode house. Every morning. We would sing the Uganda National Anthem and the land of freedom. We lay off your hands united. We all live together. We'll always stand there was a cocktail party and the re smokes. I knocked on the door and the doors open by some Sun Turnaround his dad. It's that lefty off the Pitch Mr Snare. Yes Mr Snare. I need to talk to you. I'm the military attache at the British Embassy. I understand you have been TRAVEC place and the to have a very great deal of film and I'm famous ask you feel I said I'm very sorry till British I'm in Iran. You have no power over near to get stuffed. Hello and welcome to how I found my voice podcast from intelligence squared. I'm Samir Aramid summit and I'm going behind the celebrity persona to find out what influences shape this success. How did politicians artists writers and performers grow up to become such great eight and unique communicators? If you enjoy this episode do rate and review us on Apple podcasts Jon. Snow has been the face of Channel Four News for thirty years he he joined. ITN as a reporter in nineteen seventy six and as a reporter has covered many of the world's most important stories across the Middle East and Central America. The fall of the Berlin on wall his many awards include the Richard Dimbleby Bafta Award for best factual contribution to television roles television society awards for journalist of the year and presenter the air and I should say I worked alongside John for eleven years at channel. Four news co presenting for many of them and he was always great fun working with you and I've always felt about you cycle earlier this morning. You have this boyish energy which I think is quite unique journalism order. Thank you back then. Your father was bishop of Whitby. Your mother Gina Pianist. It was pretty privileged background. And you're choral scholar at Winchester Cathedral. What were you like as a child? Growing up in the nineteen fifties. I guess it was. I think inevitably if you talk about how I found my voice that's the period which is probably the most important in my life. I growing up was a funny business. I had two brothers one older one younger and we were in the depths of the Sussex Countryside. My father was the headmaster of of the Public School. Before the Bishop. It was like your steroids. Hey I mean there were prayers. Every morning we would stand in descending order of seniority my father down to the gardener so I mean it was privileged evolution of web resources very austere being a scholar. Choral scholar I mean. What was that like for Your Voice Literal Sense? Well I mean my mother Being a pianist played a lot of problems in the House on a beautiful one thousand nine hundred ten grand piano and I would stand to buy her and watch playing and then gradually began to actually or even seeing elements of what he was playing says she realized I had music in me so This is what I was about seven just and she persuaded my advice. Be Put in for what. We're called voice trials. My father having been to Winchester Nice to college insisted that if this was to happen it would have to be a winchester cathedral so I was taken down there and subjected to these trials which really involved seeing seeing little town of Bethlehem and a few pages and scales and I got in one of four and really for six years it was paradise. I mean a wonderful gorgeous amazing building. An extraordinarily strongly close relationship with the other kids in the choir because of saint stays and fee stays and the rest of it. We'd be taken out of school to do these things and we were very often have very short holidays and Christmas holidays nonexistent because we had to be there for twelve days of Christmas than there was eastern essential Aristo and the trouble really was that I wasn't very interested in the rest of what was involving school. It was just music but she did love. The music loved officer. I would change not least because it's broken since then but I just wonder are there skills. He learned that is still used. You still saying would you give us a rendition of anything that you can remember. I think I think that basically what talk about projection about sort of phraseology about the music in the spoken word the fact that to raise and loyal voice when making emphasis and the rest of it I mean it taught me to speak and the only prize I ever won at school was reading prize. The Bradford Martin Meeting Prize. Did you know you want it to be a journalist. No clues no absolutely not no idea what I wanted to be. I wasn't really very bright. Either I mean I really scrambled to get into a secondary school. You know they. They accepted me because I I was musical Saga Music Exhibition Exhibition but really the problem. Was that school. Didn't really interests me very much. Other than the music. And the Nautilus Tell me not. North nurse was always a rebellious I mean the quad school was quite austere And there were very few kind of hobbies or anything like that so we set sum up we set up an activities club. We've published a weekly newspaper published. I mean it was all handwritten and hand drawn up but everybody put their hand into it and that was sort of the first creative element. But I didn't have any idea of what a newspaper entailed. Or what the press entailed or what being in the media in town town and as a child looking wasn't a book or a film or something that inspired you will go a long way back. I mean there was a a wonderful series of children's books for sure far too old fashioned for anyone to read nowadays the Little Grey Rabbit books. Of course you we must understand that. Grey rabbits home had new electric light or gas and even the candles were made from fifth of Russia's dipped in wax from the wild vs nests which squirrel found Tom Plenty but it did not come from the TAP and bought a little grey rabbit books involved half who is the sort of male star of the whole. Oh business going to war and all the weasels and the rest of the enemy had saucepans on the heads. The rest of it and I suddenly did wake up up to what more might entail. It was a funny way to learn about war but the animals went to war with each other. I mean there's a great grey rabbit side one obviously inevitably because she he was the head of the book but that book had a big impact only six. Oh seven or less. How would you say it affects you then? Well I just I just the consciousness that that was conflict in different I was growing up in the aftermath. Won't my parents talked about warlord Everybody talked about warlord. I mean these were the fifties And I went to school and nine hundred fifty six. That was only in less than a decade. After the end of the second the Korean War was even more recent. Yeah I mean You know there was worn around the place and the facilities in the world was a worry sort of place. I'm interested that when you left school. You went to do voluntary Chris Overseas in Uganda. And I've been struck by other great journalists. Who spent time volunteering? or Lindsey Hilsum Channel News International Editor. I think has done something similar. How did it shape your voice as a journalist when you did become journalist? I should back up a bit simply because I didn't get into university my a-levels or so bad what I mean I literally a one level at school what what did I get it in English C.. which I thought was remarkable? Good very low expectations and then I went to a tech and scarborough my Father Being Visual Whip Yup Polytechnic no attack. I went to a tech to get some Mello's morale's so I did law and Economics Heaven knows why but I did and I got both of them. But then that was only a d a D in Lauren and Ian Economic Dean Economics Indonesian Law. And it still wasn't good enough to get into university so I decided the best thing was to make myself in some way irresistible and I told what I could do and then I thought well what about visa in at least if I go having Donald that I'll get a place I am. I mean it was the best thing I've ever done in my life. I went to Gonda I landed in tabby. I was met by the priest around the school. Visa what service overseas is where you particularly as a cadet is I was. I don't think I have cadets anymore. Would you commit a year of your life to doing something anything you get told to do. And I was totally can often be teacher at a school on the banks of the Nile Very very remote run by this Catholic priest really only four four Mongoose. I think I'm using the white man and everybody else. There were few Indians but basically the rest were entirely African staff and a big school. I mean it was three hundred kids secondary-school and of course some of them are bright and most of them are brighter than I was. And some go ahead anyway. So there I was and for the first month I cried like a baby. I mean you know. I was really homesick and thought how on breath can I survive this and from the second month I was working out high. Could stay there for the rest of my life. It was an absolutely spellbinding experience because you suddenly have massive responsibility at the age of eighteen. The futures of these kids hung on your every word. And you had to really beaver at it and you know I I mean. Every morning we would sing the Uganda National Anthem. All you got the land of freedom we lay off your hands ends united. We all live together. We'll always stand allowed John. And you'd I'll be hoisting up. The flag was absolutely intoxicating experience. Even though there was no alcohol I mean it just was a wonderful wonderful wonderful place to be. I made lots of friends on the stop. Particularly African teaches at of course there was the River Nile running. Pass your door. The tragedy was you can swim in it because of a snail's Caribou hot air. You know you clearly loved it. I'm interested in that you did eventually go to university to Liverpool. Kalina vast did that. I mean that's privileged for you. My Dad the Bishop was on a train and met the professor of law from university professor. She won't dervish. who was literally the man who inherited the seat in the Commons? From Lloyd George but was by that professor of Law University and into my My father blacked him into accepting me and I was accepted. Is The law faculty. At least I had a loyal of news very bad one but actually the funny thing was that as soon as I got that I mean the first year I was at least halfway up the order. Even though I was thinking person in the costs out of about eighty or ninety intake well over halfway up. Do you think that was just worked harder. I doubt that I worked harder. I think I just grew up a bit just doing well. What are the things? Yes happened. Is You expelled. This is a quote from you. I am grateful to Liverpool more than I can say. Being sent down was the best thing that ever happened to me. Tell us about why because this is the high of this student protest. Jesus not best thing that ever did which was via so but in fact yes it was very good thing to be sent down. I was terrible at the time I mean. We were very idealistic when we were campaigning. For All sorts of causes that this was is an occupation of the university building over its apartheid past the terrible things about the chances Lord Salisbury Roles Bree who was of the dentist that founded White Rhodesia and the second thing was that Liverpool itself and the university in particular was was still as it were trading with South African way. I mean lots of the university. Investments were in South Africa historically because the souls rethink so it was not a satisfactory situation if you believed in the Liberation of Africa which of course having lived in Uganda I did so you know I was combustible. I was was designed for trouble. You leaders that we wanted this Base that I was I mean the university I was. Yeah I wasn't the adequacy cuisine embraced a funny range of Trots commies pink liberals like me. You know that sort of thing said the leadership was very very diverse is the University of wouldn't discuss tool and so we took over their image to building which Colorado Beena very convenient thing to do. They were convinced we it would wreck the building And My job was to clean the building after a thousand of us and we made a great job of it and they were very very disappointed in good condition in and that's why I got less than the other people who said the ten of US said down which is amazing. I mean no university since ten students but I was given the shortest sentence of one year. Tie could've gone back some of those expelled but two years ago they wrote to Mr Dempster snow. We would like to offer an honorary doctorate in law plow packet mazing now could have said no lockout by that but no I would tell completely vindicated and and I went back and got it and was allowed to give a talk and and it's the most fabulous place these days. I mean it's lightened TAVERNA's interesting go getting. What did it teach you that whole experience in terms of your voice and how to use is it the protests? Well I think probably to think a little harder before you speak. That might be quite an important thing and send useful thing in television vision. Especially if you've got to live in twos think before you speak because we could have been more subtle and clever about it but you know you're hotheaded. Twenty not give an example. Something he said. Then that you think are perhaps tyneside. I might have done it different. I think the most important word I said was stand up and Strut on new the of stage of the student. Union student union just say occupied and we all streamed out of the building across the road and seized the Senate block in which will the administration of the university took place. And perhaps you're thinking that you could have done something different. Maybe I've never really reviewed it to be honest. It happened and inform me about life. I'm interested you then went back to volunteering and became involved in the new Horizon Youth Center of young homeless people in London. Well I didn't volunteer recruited. I applied there was a feller. Strange peer called Longford who is extremely eccentric. Very very thoughtful and clever man. He writes in significant reviews. It didn't into pornography. He did he did. He was looking for a new director director of this day center. which was in so the truth? Was that the the the guy who had been doing had a severe nervous breakdown. That's are clearly. It was a stressful job and there were only very staff of three. I went to the interview and sitting behind the desk under sedans church so to who was Lord Longford Jack Perfumer. And the Chairman of British Airways Admirals Matthew slattery and just read three peons. He owns of the British tablets. One of whom had suffered even greater disgrace than I had in being sent out from university so we had an immediate Link with each other just to say this this is John. perfumo resigned in this scandal Christie. Indeed indeed well. His misfortune was that he slept with a woman who slept with the Russian. Attache attache at military attache at the Russian embassy so that was not a very good idea. They need lied about it but then he lied about it but both slightly serious for a man who was the minister of war when we were supposed to be having a tense time with Russia. What did that experience teach you compassion? I think more than anything else And these were kids. Who'd in Oh come from very messy circumstance and some of whom were on drugs somewhere but but all of the homeless and you know very much without love and so to establish a safe place where they could be during the day? The tragedy was that we had no resources to send them anywhere night because there was nothing I mean It's like that to this day. To some extent I was involved with the project. It's called the New Horizon Center and now we have actual beds in various blocks of housing around the sandwich the duty century set which is Euston station in London. But in those days they really was very very little that you could ever send anybody to I mean there was Salami but he was very old people younger people would just know cared for. I wonder as well because I've watched how you are. And you've done outside broadcasts or you. Vox popping young people and you get on really well with students as young people and I know you're a bit of a cult figure to them anyway and I wonder if it does go back to these times and you're volunteering when you were early in your early twenties yourself Perhaps you've made. I don't know what I like people. That's one of the problems I mean. Is I find talking to people very very easy. That's why I don't mind the Selfie rage in the rest of it because it gives you an opportunity to ask people what they do and find out about them and that sort of thing I mean it. His life's a constant adventure constantly. Finding things people events drift thoughts that are going on. He said he was one of the problems. As you got on very well with people you like people make it sound like this something that does take time. You know you You go you go shopping on something. Get some stuff from the supermarket. You never meet inevitably meet. People won't have a chat. It's a blessing and curse and so you joined to. It N D joined went radio. Initially US independent news. It was which is a major provider of vivid. I didn't join US journalist and I still had no real idea of having to jettison. Basically in nine hundred seventy three the government changed the law because until then the only legal rid of the radio stations were BBC and there were some illegal radio stations. The Tim sestri outside territorial waters that sort of thing Radio Carolina. That's something but there were no legal. Commercial Stations Zeh legalized commercial radio and LBC was going to have a breakthrough thing which was to be on at all night with finding you could phone in all night and the Biz the talk chatter and the rest our guest but the big thing most public could phone in now. They were bright enough to recognize that four o'clock in the morning probably there would be would call. It will be two bunkers cone and then someone has to be done with them so I was hired to talk down the people who were two bunkers to go on and suggest to them the other things they could do beyond actually appeared on NBC at four in the morning but in fact of course they realized very quickly that the the only people who called in where to Moncus gone if they didn't go on animals and anybody to Connor so they were often rob crazy times during those nights but there was no job for me to do well. Interestingly interestingly commercial radio in it started in Britain was entirely manned by New Zealanders. Australians Americans Canadians. People who'd actually done commercial radio. Well they I said to me look you know a your cheap and not trained. You're you gotTA plummy voice. Could you would you mind doing the news so I read the news news at six o'clock in the morning then they went bankrupt and the new editor came along and said look. I'm terribly sorry you can do better than read the news. Get Out and do some reporting doc. I'm very quickly. I was out on the road. You've always been a reporter. You've never been someone who's just wanted to sit in studio taught we through we move to. It not end sort of the main commercial television broadcaster because as a correspondent. You know you were Washington correspondent you covered the Vietnam boat. People you were in Afghanistan. Did you find your voice as the international and a war correspondent indeed eastlake varies. I mean I just found it easy to look at things and talk about art and obviously people I liked. I like talking to people but actually what happened was that ITN wanted a reporter. I didn't want to apply. Because here's my cousin. Peter was there and I didn't want to look like nepotism and so I I refuse to apply and then eventually I was in Ostlund covering a siege an IRA siege. And I got a message from the editor of it and Naito run saying you just have to right one. Karaganov Samuel pet weren't even have a job so I thought go. I'm going to have to do this. I obviously wanted to be moving on on so I moved on you know effectively. I'd be nervous in. That's forty five years ago you've won so many wars few journals about them. Well okay. We're government just mentioning. They have and I read that your reporting from El Salvador in the early one thousand nine. He's was one of the stories that matter most you you got stopped by a death squad didn't you uh-huh Salvador was and still is very very tragic scene. Is it the tragedy for those Central American States at live between the United States. Mexico and Latin America is then squeezed middle and then neglected and fiddled about with particularly by by the Americans in those days they were seen as a terrible threats to to the United States. That was a civil war going on in El Salvador bill in which the Americans backed the army and the priests backed the people. It was the people vs the army with a dictator in Orange is to below in the yard of the police station heavily armed. Police return from making their runs. There are countless instances of deaths and disappearances in which they've been found to play a role yet. They're armed with NATO weaponry which the United States he's continuing to supply. Jon Snow News Ten Salvadro. I went because the Archbishop Cardinal Archbishop I suppose El Salvador was murdered on the steps of his own high altar. He's cutting Romero. He's in the person's being canonized. He'll become a saint and deservedly so he was real in battle for the people wonderful man and of course it was the age of Liberation Theology which God odd was used to justify you know fighting for the rights of the poor and the rest. It is amazing amazing experience. Because anyone who's been to Latin America America will know that there's no central America it's Vivid colors amazing vibrance and activity and the rest hooper tragically El Salvador's riddled with gangs and crime called no better. Since my days that I'm the nineteen eighty dangers faced by journalists analysts. Switch and your to this day in in countries like El Salvadoran and Mexico. You're did come close to getting murdered on that. Well yes I touched journalist. Journalists had been killed and very stupidly went to try and find out why we went down a track off the high road and were Immediately surrounded by a group of gunmen and we had an Italian lovely Marcello who lived in El Salvador. He was our guide spoke perfect Spanish and he sort of negotiated negotiated with them giving cigarettes and the rest of north. And eventually eventually we did manage to wriggle free but it was a close run thing. What store you're most proud of covering crumbs? I can give you a prompt and you got. It was Iranian revolution because say journalist actually there when the revolution was beginning it was a station strategy. Should style I suppose. Those unquestionably the Iranian Revolution was an extraordinary challenge. Because the millions of people on the streets the tremendous undisputed interest in not being revolution in terms of Britain America. All the usual suspects were thorough against the whole idea of the shopping over threatened. The rest missed. The shot wasn't a therapy clever individual and didn't really do much good for the country and it was pretty clear that this educated population and was very much ready for change whether it was ready radical Islam. I I don't know. Of course the other thing about around is that in that region it is different from any other country because it is a sheer state Shiva Islam has opposed to Sunni Islam and the most most of the countries in the region Sunni and slightly fair and. I think actually really envy the shears because the shears I mean that's a Iran is a six and a half two thousand year old civilization. It's a place of immense beauty with fabulous back for making a documentary that history. It is the I missed amazing cultures on the mosques of incredibly beautiful and and on a vast scale and a life that you can see was oppressed under the Shah and you can see that outside forces fiddled them out and in many ways brought us more to the situation that exists now where there's still a wonderful population in Iran. But they're not very radical and despairing characters who armed and in John. I want to ask about something very different entirely in charge. I mean that's not quite fair. In fact I mean they are huge force force but the government is in a sense unable to do much without their say so I want to ask about something very different. After the Jimmy savile scandal broke. You spoke very thoughtfully about how a member school staff had tried to abuse you when you were very own just six. Was it difficult deciding to talk about that. I know you put it in your book as well when at the time I put it in my book because it was the first time I'd ever mentioned it to anybody since I was a child. I never discussed it with anybody and yet I know. In retrospect my family must have known but it was that age when when I think parents of certain condition plus couldn't bring themselves to talk sex in any form the guy was a domestic seven In in the school have father was headmaster headmaster. And I I think I was six. I was trying to cling around own my own past the kitchen quarters and this Guy Guy Renew as jim as simply said I mean we knew him quite. Well I mean you say hello how chat etc but nothing thing momentous thing and he said I got some some sweet sweet sweet. Come upstairs usual trap and I went up up and he took my clothes off. He told his close off. This was all in his room and then a voice that I recognized which was that of the Bursar bellowed from Dan. The passage Jim thome and he said it changed completely. Threw me under the bed. He he had been aroused and have knows what that would have entailed Perry three meals a bed which is filtered horrible. Knows Party now. You're in surgery. And he went on banged the door and there were raised voices in the in the car. He came in and back in to get out and I came came out from under the bed dressed and I couldn't do it my braces and he wouldn't do my brace. I shows so I've sort of struggled at holding up my trousers. I mean the whole thing was awful. Somehow I got home and nobody ever said anything and he stayed on stuff no no he was he. This decision was sacked. But I knew that because we know well enough to have seen him and he didn't see Him we knew he tone and we asked bears people. They said he'd been insect. But I never said why. I want to know but it's an impossible thing for child of six ready to raise with with parents who were not really very plugged into childhood but I think about how many scandals I have been big news. Events over the last decade many of them are still just coming out. And you've been interviewing those in charge explaining well. We didn't have a proper procedure and I. I wonder how do you feel when you're covering these stories on the one hand you just journalists doing your job on the other hand you really know. Well now. It's not something I ever really think about him unless provoked but I know provoked by news at I. It's it's so remote from now Unites Sixty years ago the more. I didn't think about but but I can tell you that I understand. That's cleansing you'll do. That regarded as something of a left-wing rebel by your admirers and your critics and the BBC. There's been a very significant held clampdown recently presented on social media. Because of the need for impartiality have you felt Prussia to tempio voice at particularly I climb. It's got more and more angry dog. I wouldn't suggest that I'm a left to really. I mean although you regarded I can tell you that when I once went round visit to two there was a cocktail party at a and I knocked on the door and the door is by his son and his son. Turn ranters father in the passage dad it. It's that lefty off the telly. But I wouldn't have left. He no I would say I'm somebody who wants the truth. I am not aligned to any party. Never been a member of a party. I'm setting not ideological. I was regarded in the Liverpool insurrection. The university has regarded as a very auto fish who didn't appear to have any ideological interest tool as interesting. I've never read marks or anything like that. I'm not interested in you. That interesting. The security services to try to you create you had an eye they did yeah I got a letter saying gymnasts now. I'm INV headed old war office. Buildings which I think is were in those days and it said I'm currently engaged in some work in which I think you might be interested if you are interested in discussing this further please a number or whatever go disappears destroy this letter. Do not discuss its contents with anyone so I always thought that was I thought. Would this stinks. uh-huh can find out about this now that I wanted to work with the security service but I wanted to see what recruit and at that point at just recently perhaps a hero to in sorry concluded that in those days. That probably was some kind of asleep in in in the seventy S. What what to do then they ooh well not really no? I didn't get any very clear picture of of what in fact he asked me a lot of questions. We got on rather well. Now was an entirely curtain room area. Wanted to know quite what was going on but anyway I mean I had a perfectly good discussion with him and then he said can I arrange see again and I said No. I'm not not interested at all. And he said well he was quite upset about it and he said well we've invested a lot of evidence and you've you've looked at you and your ideal material I I'm not interested and they said you're never to contact again and we will never contact you again. But when I was in Iran long I had managed to find because my father was the bishop of whippy that was an array of early warning stay stationed. Dome's I'm finding veils and in nineteen seventy I driven to India and seeing these domes on the hills above the Caspian spic on the Iranian coast of the Caspian Sea. Their doors beat in my mind that that was listening station there and when the revolution happened it was so dense. China work in Tehran itself. So difficult to move millions and millions of people on the streets that I said to my crew the day after the revolution. I said we need to explain why this matters and I'll tell you why it matters because they have a listening post up on the Caspian Sea at listens listened to the Russian nuclear tests in the Urals. That's their main monitoring point. We've got to find it and will where is it. You've passed it you've been there before. Four hundred seventy s as awful thing is. I don't know which end of the Caspian Sea it was and so I had to drag my po crew right along. The coast of the Caspian could see the heavens pro service. We'd set off at six in the morning and at four in the afternoon we saw the Gulf Bos. We saw the domes James and we drove up to disagree sixteen-year-olds sitting with automatic weapons on laps and they were thrilled to see us. Nobody being to see them eyelid was very clear that the place of being evacuated by the Americans very great speed third pajamas. On the beds. There was still breakfast on the tables. They had no idea what they were doing doing They just sat there on the chas. The two young boys would occur after the place and I went to try and find their way into one of the domes and the crew of very worried that it was going to explode. That had been booby-trapped so solemnly saying just throwing stones into this place full of wearing crude computers who'd boxes lots of paper pouring out with zigzags on it and the rest of it. We realized that was it and we filmed like villier went back to Tehran and at four o'clock in the morning Mister Snare. Yes I need to talk to. I said sorry. Who are you? I can't explain till we speak to each other face to face. I do need to come in his four o'clock in the modern way to the no needs nar say Hullo My name is I'm the military attache at At the British embassy. I understand you have been to a very secret place and that you have a very great deal of film and I'm afraid I must ask you feel I said I'm sorry but you'll British. I'm in Iran. You have no power of near-total get stuffed left. He's a dare to do and what it will. I'm sorry that's it. No he said I I need. There's some things that must not be transmitted as I tell you what I'll do you you tell me we will. We'll get this stuff process to will. Will you tell me what what since drivenow cut it out. If I think I can manage without it and in return I want you to tell me where the latest Fox Pat Fat jet fighters which America supplied the Shah. Just before the four are because they are the only ones that were exported by the United States and they must be of enormous value to with this regime. Said well I can tell you that his tell you so we did it and we cut our things occasionally. He would shriek while looking at the in film he would say. Oh my God no no. You can't possibly show that no clear. Cut It at what new. But then we got enough to make a really good story story. and then I said Noah colonel could you give me the Info and he's Oh yes you gotta sure as Second Rounder roundabout in you take the third exit you drive a mile and a half off long and on the left hand side was airfield and the thorough under five bunkers at that hotel extent. Well I have to ask about poppies the decision not to wear a member. Poppy will cause fury every November. You've chosen to stick with it when some would say it just draws more attention attention than if you quietly or one well. I don't really believe in wearing symbols of remembering people and I would prefer to remember them in church. Well my knees or whatever I don't want to be told how to remember people and I think there's quite a lot of Hocus pocus around it not wearing oil wearing a white one this do Et Cetera et CETERA. You know we're free society and people need to be allowed to the people that way. They won't do well in a way the precursor to the situation. We're in now where the atmosphere around reporting in politics has become very aggressive. You'll live comment on Channel Four News in March at Westminster Brexit rally. That you'd never seen so many white people in one place that's an off come inquiry after more than two thousand people complained. Have you felt you needed to change how you use your voice ace. No not perfect correct and in fact off common vented Investigated isn't a kid completely. But what do you feel about the sphere. And someone who's been gene in the business of reporting for so many years. Many journalists feel the atmosphere has become hostile. Are I think that Brexit as a an issue has somehow divided the country where I've never seen before and that's terribly decide. What can we do about it? I have no idea I mean I never know how the country's going to move from one day to the Knicks and not you nobody else but she still loves the job very much. You've turned down on audit them nobody. I mean interestingly the BBC itself out a very good documentary the other day on on Black Honors and how estimate arches find it difficult to accept something which has the word empire in it. I mean what is as an officer of the British Empire. What is a Knight Commander of the British Empire? What is the British Empire? I mean I don't know I'm still wait time. Johnston thank you. You've been listening to how I found my voice I'm smear armored and the producer is far adjusted. We'd love to hear from you. Let us know what you think of this episode by rating it and reviewing us on Apple. PODCASTS hello again. It's far producer of how I found my voice. We really hope you enjoyed this week's show. Don't forget to subscribe and cheat into episode next week. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #3: The Queen's Justice

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #3: The Queen's Justice

"Winter was here. But we're just getting started here on the game of thrones rewatch here on post show. Recaps of season seven episode three the queen's Justice now here the two guys who are always impregnable. I am rob sister here with Josh Josh, how are you? I am not impregnable. It is easy to get under my skin, and you don't even need to take me to the citadel to do it. I'm just I'm vulnerable. I'm here. I'm exposed. Okay. All right. So Joshua glare. Here. We are talking about the queen's Justice good outing here for game of thrones, strong, adding strong belli's. I wish we could say, but we can't here. We are the queens Justice the first ever meeting between John snow and deniro star Garin fund one for you to revisit you're happy with this. Yes. Yes. I crazy did the season seven of game of thrones. Or like peak in the middle. Yet to degree degree. I mean, I think the next episode a lot of people think is the best one I like this one and the next one I think that they might be the two best from seven. They're both very fun. I mean, it's really fun to see John and Danny in in the same room for the first time getting to hear about white walkers for the first time, even Tyrians really understanding this for the first time. So once once you're getting like, the main threat in the in the universe of the show on the radar of these main characters who have been completely unaware of it and have been in their own worlds for so long. That's just going to be exciting. And obviously, we know where things are going to end up for John and Danny by the end of this season. So that's pretty exciting as well to kind of trace the origins of this, very important relationship. Okay. Josh anything else thrones related from the week gun by you wanna highlight before we dive into queens Justice. There's a little bit of. Of a teaser that was released on Sunday ahead of the true. Detective finale where was like showing off everything that they've got coming up for the year in twenty nineteen. So there's a tiny bit of new game of thrones. But that they revealed it was it's basically they're showing the same thing over and over again, and you can't blame them. I'm kind of the mind that if I'm HBO I don't release a trailer. I think you just remind people when the data's and let it sell itself, but there's they're showing this same scene of deniro. Army arriving winter fell just from different vantage points, the one that they showed in this. Most recent teaser was aria seeing dragon for the first time that seemed pretty cool. How was true detective is fine. All right. Emily was was more into it than I was didn't seem like people were that hyped up for it had like a kind of sort of a sweet ending. Is nice Marshall alley is an incredible actor Joe crazies winning an Oscar while his finale is airing at the same time. We should all be so lucky first world problem. Yes. Absolutely. I one out. All right. Josh, let's talk about what's going on here in seasons. Three eight. We saw the reunion of John snow interior Landis star. This is why this season's really exciting. It's it really is very exciting to see these characters interact for the first time like some of the stories stuff, whatever, you know, some of the pacing issues. Sure. But it has not yet been really disappointing. When you get like, John snow in tearing in the same room together again for the first time since the first season, and they really a lot of ways they pick up where they left off. But they've also both been through so much that they're they're picking up where they left off in terms of their familiarity. But with this this world weariness that they've got John snow is not just the bastard of winter Phil anymore. This is the king and the north year speaking to and Jerry Lancaster is much more than just the dwarf Castro rock now, he's the he's the queen's hand, and this is after he's already been to hand of the king at least acting handed the king wins upon a time. So it's cool to see John interior in trading barbs and being friendly for the first time in a good long while. Yeah, very fun in the exchange bastard of winter fell dwarf Castelli rock very like Han and Lando. Each other at cloud city and. The seems a little charged at first, and then just hug it out. And everything's great and John's ninety going to have to get frozen carbonate for visiting dragonstar working out better already. He was served as time beyond the wall. I mean, that's pretty much being frozen. It's like, you know, who else was that cloud city who lo- bought low by love that guy that guy. Not a lot of people with the full bald head on game of thrones not enough. Certainly. I mean, Randall Tara Lee, but he's going to be here for five minutes night king and he's got like ornaments in terms of. Yeah. Fairest our we can always have more. Okay. So it's kind of sad that John like a bunch of Raqi just like a walk off with his little rope. Oh, yeah. My boat. Yeah. They're they're they're just trying to they're trying to be very like they're welcoming. But not too welcoming. It's pretty clear who's in charge here, and John snow must have known this walking into the situation. I really do like it. When Masan day, though is just like greeting them. It's a pretty cordial greeting, and then she's like and turnover your weapons, and it's like it's a little awkward, but John is ready to play ball. Okay. Davos is also fun here. He talks about how this place is really changed since last time. He was here. Yeah. There's like Masan day of not here. And he's like, oh what's going on here? What are all these unsullied all about? Yeah. Okay. So as we're seeing John snow interior in walk up to a dragon stone. They're talking about everything that has been going on. And there's a, you know, some trading the stories how did you get to become the? The king in the north from the night's watch. And Tyrian ends up saying about how it has not gone well for the stark men when they travel south reminds him of that. Yeah. It's not usually a good thing for for the Starks to go. There's also we're going past it a little quickly. There's a there's a quick exchange between John interior about Sansa interior and like saying it was a sham marriage. It was not consummated. John did not want to know Tyrian is just letting him know that is that is not what's going on. I love the line where he says she's much smarter than she lets on. And John's she's starting to let on I love that. I think that's great. It's a phantom a big fan of that. But yes, Tyrian tells John that stark men, you not fare well when they travel south John says, I'm not a stock as it turns out he's Gary in so he's not not necessarily wrong nailed it. But before they can talk any further about that. They just get like buzzed by drogue on. Yeah. You don't get used to that. No. I think anyone who sees dragon for the first time is going to have a big reaction. John is kind of looking at this thing and little does. He know he's like he's like looking at his own destiny, right? This is thing. Like, he's like, oh, I don't know it yet. But I kind of feel like I might I might fly on one of those things someday. Well, yeah. Meanwhile, the lady Mila Sandra is watching all these events transpire and Kipling she didn't see virus following her up this mountain. There's is very sneaky, very sneaky. And so a various business weird that you told us to bring John's no here, and then you're like hiding while he's here. Yeah. Varis is never gonna with on an opportunity to drag red priest priestess. He hates magic. He hates all of this stuff. So he sees mouse Angela being contemplative and alone kind of sneaking away various isn't going to let that go unchecked. So he's like picking up on the whole thing that Mel asandra roll around these people as she oughta be last time, she saw John Davos, they threatened her life. She is incentivized to not be killed at this moment in time. So she's thinking about getting out of here. She's going to go home. She's go home for a while. She's got some things to do. Look, I got them together brought fire and ice together. My work here is done. I said the thing I said the title. That's it. I need to go back to Vallance this perhaps. Yeah, she's going to go to Lantis. And VERA says I think you should stay there. I don't think she'd come back to west rose. You're not going to be safe here. This is when Mel asandra says something that is very charged. She says, oh, I will return dear spider one last time. I have to die in this strange country. Just like you white what? Yeah. Yeah. That's not cool. Is that it for Mel Sandra this season? That's it for mala, Sandra. This we have not seen her since this moment. Okay. So we are expecting one last time out for mills Sandra in seasoning. I feel like mala Sandra is the easiest prediction for somebody to die in the final season. She just said it. She just. I I have to come back to us one. Last time I have to die in the final season of game of thrones. But how but how indeed? And I think it's a good question. I think it's it's hard to know exactly how that's going to play out. There is still the the loose end of when she met aria stark back in season three, and she says to aria we will meet again when she looks at aria aria going to kill Mela, Sandra. What kind of beef would aria have with Mela Sandra to to cause her to kill her? I think that one of the things I've been chewing on that question a little bit more. I think are you had Mela Sandra on her list at one point after she was involved in taking Ganji away from the brotherhood without banners. When I got imagine it she's going to let that go. Once she meets up with Gandhi again, which would assume what happened fairly early in the next season. So what reason would have like kill Mela, Sandra? What if it's like a mercy killing what if? Mela Sandra is wounded she's going to die anyway Arias in the vicinity and REO can give her the gift of mercy. I guess so I mean, it seems kind of like a random thing to have it. Go down that way, Gandhari ends up being the one to take Mel, Sandra. With like he has a big bag of leeches. Maybe maybe not dumps a bag of leeches on her. And that's it. Yeah. We'll we'll see are you convinced that aria will have to kill Nelson. Well, I think that that would be the only scenario that I could see if it's like some kind of Mela Sandra super wounded she's going to die anyway. And she gets to have some final moment where Arias shows up and kills. I could see that. I think that that's a possibility Davos. For charene. No, I don't think 'Davis is going to ever have a moment of vengeance. I think Donna's is just going to have a really down the line ending would be my guess, I think he's just going to be able to kinda just like waltz through this thing. Okay. All right. So let's go to the big throne room. Dragon stone for our meeting of fire and ice. Jon snow meets air star, Gary. And for the first time, it's great. It's this is so hyped it so long awaited. It's tents. It's funny. It's sexy. It's it's thing you want it to be everything. So the misunder gives the long introduction of all of Danny's titles. The many many credits on her resume presents star, Gary. And and then DAV owes response. This is John snow. He's king in the north. That's it. That's very plain up north. Yeah. Not not a lot of bells and whistles. Yeah. Okay. And so things are tense the not on the same page. Denarius wants Jon snow to bend the knee. Yeah. That's what she wants wants John snow to give in she wants him to just immediately proclaim that he is going to be teamed tar Garin all the way, she's very disappointed when John says that's not the reason I came and it's like any any pretense that existed before quickly falls apart. Like, this almost goes, very poorly. Very fast. Yeah. Well, it starting to fall apart. It's getting away from them. So she wants to bend the knee. He doesn't want to he wants to talk about you know. Hey, hey, your dad killed my grandfather, your dad was bad, dude. Interesting. Yeah. My dad was a bad, dude. I'm not my dad. I'm great. I'm pretty cool bend the Starks in the. Targe areas will be we'll be totally buddies. Like it was before it's going to be great. And John says, listen, even though you're not guilty of your father's stuff. I'm not behold into our ancestral bond. That's not the reason John says, the real reason I'm here is because I need your help. And you need mine. That's the one thing they can agree on in terms of like. Let's not hold people accountable for what their parents did. Yeah. I think that that makes sense. But why do I need to help you? Armie the dead. The only the only thing that matters, sir. C and everybody else children playing it a game screaming that the rules aren't. That he just call me a baby she doesn't like she doesn't like it. She doesn't like it. He basically he calls her child, and he doesn't like that too. It's like, it's a figure speech. Yeah. He's like. Say that we're all being children. Like this guy. How John says everyone, you know, will die before winter's over if we don't defeat the enemy to the north and Dinara says your the enemy of the north like that don't lots of lots of great word place. Excellent dialogue back and forth in this scene. But John unrolls the big reveal. He says the army of the dead is on the March. The white walkers are on their way and Tyrian d think I'm crazy think I'm a liar. I know you don't know me. Well, but what do you think about all then tearing says, no, you're definitely not either those things like cool now that that's established. I'm telling you army the dead. It's real thing. They're going to come down to west rose, if they get past the wall, and we're all fighting were toast. Yeah. And you know, hard to do anything with that information. Kind of sounds like a crazy person. The thing is like deniro isn't even going to listen to it because she's like she's so fully team targe Aryan at this point. She's buying her own hype. She's talking about so that's all sounds really interesting, but I have risen against every single odd. I've gone through so much horrible stuff. I've been betrayed. I've been defiled. I've been in exile. I didn't have faith in the gods and myths and legends. I only had faith in myself. And I've done all these incredible things I'm gonna unite the seven kingdoms, and there's really nothing you can do about that John's you'll be ruling over a graveyard if we don't defeat the night king. And I still wanna know how he knows that the night king is called the night king. That ever really happened for us. That's a good question. I'm not sure. Iran. The subtitles gave her the subtitle watched it on HBO go, and yeah, the behind the scenes is there like a legend from the free folk that they passed along. Maybe they heard about it their stories of the night king as as it relates to the book, but it's relatively different than the night. King very different really from the night king that we're seeing on the show unless George Martin has something very interesting up his sleeve in a future book. So I don't know why he would just like no the Nike unless in the universe of game of thrones. We just want to allow that the night king is like the fabled ruler of the white walkers. And now, they're just they're convinced that it's real because they've seen the night king. I guess I'm fine with that. So John is really like. Okay, hurry. We don't have any time. We gotta move this along days. Well, then just bend the knee that only take a second. You just bend the knee. And then we'll let's let's figure this thing out in John's like, my knees are bad in her. It's I should I. There's no reason to to believe her. Yeah. So they can't get on the same page. They can't they keep trying. You know, everybody is like saying thing trying to insert. Davos is like you should listen to John's snow this dude literally died. He literally died for the people. Like, don't really dying on the orient. Yeah. Yeah. So he shuts up to that point eventually is gonna come in and say like, I need to talk to you. It's up something bad happen. We got we got a bus this. All right. So you go to your room, and then John wants to know, am I your prisoner? No, not yet. Not yet. A great line. Okay. All right gestion, very suggestive. All right. So kinky acts, whoa. That's the Justice. Who knows who knows? Okay. Boy, fifty shades of grey joy. Yes. Yes. That's did not have happy ending. No. The trilogy. Yeah. The, you know, the thing what might have been several, but I'm book reader. So Josh, let's talk about what the tar Gary have discovered about what happened to the fleet at things the iron born in the door niche were attacked on route to Dorn a couple of ships escaped the rest of in sunk or captured a Larry in the sand, snakes are dead or captured the gray joys are dead or captured just about all of them. But not quite of them. One gray joy did make it out. And it was the on. And they capture they bring him up onto the deck of great joy ship. And they know what happened. It could tell if Dion had tried to protect your he would have been killed. So if he's alive, then it's because he didn't really fight that's their they're logic. They're making a lot of a sumptiousness. But. Ultimately Shirbow couldn't there have just been like a big explosion on the ship in theon got knocked out in the in the backdraft that I don't know if that's out backdraughts work. Yeah. I think they just know theon reputation of that he's kind of a loser and crave. And yeah, I think that they like the great joys a gospel. Yeah. There's going to be a lot of talk about gray joys in king's landing. If theon is showing up here as a as a real loser than uncle you're on is the of the walk in Yang's landing. Yes. So they have like a whole parade of your on coming down the street with Yara and with a Larrea sand in tying this. The first time anyone's been happy to see you're on. The streets of king's landing. Yeah. He does not present Yara, great joy as a prisoner to serve the correct? I don't think. So I think not sure why she needed to be in the parade and he's just hanging onto her just left her on the ship. She's like his new wreak, which is a scary prospect. Yeah. So he's talking a lot of trash to Yarra as he's walking down the street. Boy, the people in king's landing they are just they're all about their up for going on the streets and just spitting on people throwing filth. And that is like the number one pastime in king's landing. Yeah. Anytime somebody can be publicly shamed. It's the best day in king's landing. I sort of a meta thought as I was watching this, basically is social media the modern day equivalent of this Josh where then famous people get dragged through the street, and then like the, you know. General public can just like spew like vile insults at them. Yeah. Absolutely. So I should get off. So for media and return to our lives. This should just. People through like the public square. Yeah. It's awful. It's awful. I mean, you hit it hit it. Why are we doing what we do? Why are we just going to be Park Rangers or something? I don't know. I never thought you'd never thought about it that we're we factored into this equation. Well, whatever you decide you're taking me with you. So we gotta talk about this thoroughly. We'll talk off line. Okay. Let's go to the red keep and see urine promised a gift for sir c and he has delivered. He's got sand snakes. And again, like the first time anyone's been happy to see San snakes is thrilled. This very good gift when when you're on present them, and he presents them and then like Larry spinning on the floor. She can't quite hit Sirsi. She doesn't quite have the range services. Very happy about this. Your aunt says, there's only one reward he wants. And sir says you'll have what your heart desires once the wall is one. Well, so she's basically saying you're Magai once we once we defeat everybody, you're the you're going to be the dude up on the throne and this'll be great. Yeah. If I'm you're on I think that may be. I think he's being sold abilities here. Yeah. For sure maybe he knows that you know, maybe his whole plan is close to see. And then when it's time to kill her and takeover. He is continuing to bully. Jamie, lancaster. He's really terrible to Jamie. Right right is asking, Jamie. What sir c likes in a? I don't even know the right word. A finger in the bunk ache. I wasn't even gonna I was going to talk about in terms of, sir. Sees preferences. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's got a lot of questions questions for Jamie says now that we're going to be brothers loved to just like to know vice and he he's very crude to Jamie, Jamie wants to kick his butt, but you're on out of there before he can do anything about it. We got a complaint this week. I don't know if you saw it on Twitter. Josh that one of our listeners complained that we don't do enough talk of the sexual stuff that happens on game of thrones. And we're ruining the rewatch for this listener. Really? Yes. What do you want us to say because we yada yada when grey worm and Masan day got together last week. I mean, they had sex, and it was very nice, and I'm thrilled for them. But I mean isn't torn show recap. Apps now, go into vivid detail about everything. Yeah. It was a great moment is was a beautifully acted seeing. It was it was excellent. And I think that it's great character growth for both of those characters. Are we the go-to guys for this? I didn't think so this was a weird complaint. I didn't know. I didn't see it tight filters on Twitter and see. Apologize. Hopefully, I mean, I mean Josh was very descriptive about what you're on said that he wanted. Yeah. I mean, that's what he says on the show. The exact line of dialogue in Casey you need to cover your ears for a minute. The exact line of dialogue. You're on asks asks Jamie does she like it gentle or rough a finger in the bum. That's the question. He asks. Yeah. Jamie doesn't like the question. And then you're on leaves. And that's the end of the scene. That was that good. I don't know. I'm not listen. I'm laying a message to you do idea. Okay. All right. Let's go to the dungeons beneath the red Cape, and we have a Larrea sand and tying and they are tied up. Yeah. They're in a bad way air, they're in bad shape, at the mercy of sir c and the mountain is here in Khyber Nazir, and sir c lives for this stuff. Now, this is this is favorite day, and David she can do something like this is the best day for C, Lancaster, where she really emotionally and psychologically, torture, her enemies. It's not enough to just like kill somebody just to kill them, very slowly and painfully. I don't know who has it worse. These two are septa. This is this is at least on par with what's going on with septa. No, we're gonna monologue about how you know, you, you know, I think about your husband's skull breaking like a cracked duck egg. And it was it was amazing. It was such a great day. And then you killed my daughter, and that was horrible. I still I still think about her. And this is like the rare moment of humanity and inserts that still exists. I felt like when she goes like why did you do that? There's this moment where she looks Larry in the eye, and it seems like you can see like the wounded sir sees still there, and like she almost catches herself. And that's why she's like it doesn't matter. Now, she starts like moving on to the rest of her vengeance scheme. But that's certainly still exists somewhere in there. It's hard to find. Okay. So sir c talking about how she really struggled with how good she kill Larrea sand. How should she kill tying? She. She wrecks her brain. She doesn't sleep. Well, and spends all her time thinking about this. Yeah. This is all that. She's got going on anymore. And this is I think a theme of the Sepah here of you know, being able to imagine or have visions about what you're doing. What your opponents are doing? It comes up a number of times in this episode. Yeah, I think so I think that, you know, not for nothing to episode being called the queen's Justice. It's not just about everything that's going on with generis. But it's also about Queen, sir. See, and this is the Justice that she meets out is this like incredible slow torture that she is she's putting the sand snakes. And so we get that this reveal that, sir. See is going to have a roundabout is going to be fair trade because she is going to then do the same poison that that Alaria did to Marcela. Yeah. And you could kind of tell certainly on the rewatch watch like. He's got like the lipstick on. So I see this coming a little tiny bit. And so she kisses tying and the moment that she kisses in Tien looks at a and we get one last, mama. Yeah. A little bit of a callback to the most recent episode. Why is this poison always administered via lipstick? It's great cinematic -ly. Yeah. I guess so I mean, but that what part of that plan like how did Khyber n- get that? Because he wasn't there. They weren't on the dock with a Larry, I I know this. I'm reading too much into this thing that you you could say that Jamie or Braun they saw a Larrea kiss Mer cell, and then Marcella died, and they could put into together the IS. She probably had the poison lips thing going. Okay. All right since very dangerous to to administer poison the say, this is how poison Ivy used to do it. Yeah. Okay. So. So it should have been wearing rubber lips. Right. Luckily, Khyber n- has the antidote ready to go. And so now Alaria has to not only watch daughter die. But then she has to then watch her decompose. Yeah. It's terrible. I mean, I don't think we'll ever cut to this. You know? Shot and seasoning, hilarious and still hanging on. No. I think that they just like Larry is going to have to watch a horror show unfold for the rest of the her life. What little of it still exists then in our minds. We're going to have to we're gonna have to picture this ourselves, which is terrible. It's almost worse than what they would come up with in terms of the makeup of banks would probably be less frightening than your own mental picture of what services putting Larry through. And I think even if you don't love the door and story line, even if you didn't like the sand, snakes is such a nightmarish way to kill some. This is awful. This is terrible. Yeah. The tough way to go bad way to go. Okay. Josh. Can you talk us through Jamie, and sir see here following? Jamie, and sir. See, okay. So Jamie is in the red keep he's there. He's he's got his his his hand off the hand. He's putting it on the table is going to have a glass of wine because it's the end of the long day in Gali. He's deserved it. He deserves these earned it. It's gonna drink it and services shows up and services just killed some enemies and this really ruthless way just going and she's feeling really good about it. And so she comes in, and she starts kissing, Jamie. And Jamie says, nah, I'm not really in the mood. I was kind of this is just going to be like a solo drink night. And now, we're gonna do it. And so and seriously pushes Jamie onto the bed and gets him gets him naked. And they do they do it. They have sex, and then we see them like a little bit later after they've had sex. I'm sure other things out. But we didn't see it on screen so much like the sand snake death. You could just leave this to the imagination. I mean, the little bit of a yada yada, not not complete blow by blow account of the fan. I didn't see anything. You don't see anything? They don't show you anything. This is the thing. I genuinely didn't. I'm very surprised at this. It is for somebody. I didn't know. I had no idea. I'm sorry January. I'm very sorry. I hate to ruin your rematch. Honestly, I'm not even being sarcastic. Okay. So there's a knock at the door the next morning, James. Oh, we gonna hide come on. Baby McQueen McQueen. Yeah. That's where she's had. She could you know, could I was going to say something, I don't wanna say, but she's she's in she's large in charge, and nobody can come after her. She can't she can't be touched. She the there are no more norms matter shattering, all the norms of the old conventions matter anymore. So incest can be best once again. Okay. She has an appointment. At iron bankers are here from Brian bankers here. Yeah. I'd rather be talking about the sex. Okay. All right. So Tyco from the iron Bank is back. Yeah. Tyco nester who is like probably the most forgettable important issue character and game of thrones important issue. I think might be a little bit of a stretch. Well, he's he's like funding sir sees operations so and he funded stance. So that was fairly important that helped get Stanton up to the far north. It's helping sir. See she's going to be able to take on high garden on this stuff. So he's as a bankroller as a behind the strains behind the scenes per string polar. I think that he is a very important character. But he's just important issue. In terms of like, I don't know like having any kind of like really memorable stuff to do in the show. Yeah. All right. So, sir. See it's been well stab. That the Lancasters are sort of cash poor following no gold left on Castro rock, and so the iron banker Tyco is talking about there's a bit of a dire situation. We know the gold wins wars by, sir. See is trying to get the iron Bank, maybe to put their faith back on the Lancasters a little bit of a back and forth about like who you should be betting on in this war, sir. Sees like I understand like there's reasons to think that deniro star, Gary Scott, this she's got the dragons. That's pretty cool. I've got the narrow see you're on grey joy is loyal to me. Danny's dragons, maybe not as invulnerable as something. I don't know how into archery you are. But I could show you a really cool crossbow that I've gotten my basement, so she's trying to like really sell him on the fact that like if you bet on me your. You're going to get your money's worth. And then some. Yeah. We'll be like all right. That's a fan. Don't get semantics with me Tyco. Yeah. Okay. And so. Sir c reminds Tyco. That genera star Gary and she's a real revolutionary, right? How is that fared with all of her big campaign promises? How how's that going to work with the banking industry? Yeah. Might not be good for for the iron bankers. If star Garin winds, and because I care so little about the iron Bank. I've never really thought about it from that perspective. But as right like, it makes sense Tyco to like, yeah. I probably should bet on, sir. See because even if I bet onto narrates like, she's probably just gonna shut us down, and that will be the outcome before lucky. Right. So that, sir. See is reminding the banker about the, hey, like, I'll keep the establishment. Yeah. I'll keep it status quo. We're going to get rich get rich quick, okay. Here for two weeks in just live it up in king's landing. Go spit on some people on the streets and in two weeks. I'm gonna have all of your money back. Okay. You're making some sense. So we have some more. Good news. Really search is really on a roll. Has a pretty good season seven. Maybe a little rocky at the very end. But even then like, it's mostly pretty good. I didn't know where we really didn't see a path for her coming into season seven. I mean, I guess she does have a lot of people get killed after the hijacking fi garden, but like she gets the money the money makes it through. So that's all she really cares about. Yeah. Okay. Back on dragon stone teary in that. He ends up having a chat with a Jon snow Tyrian was looking for a good place to brood Johnston. Doesn't so much better. Yeah. Just like standing there like a creed album cover just like standing out over and looking looking at the calm sea and thinking about all of his is bad responsibilities back north Tyrian wants to wants to be in this spot. But Jon snow's taking the spot any look so much better doing it is what Tyrian says and John smells like look. You don't understand I kings coming. We're all gonna die Tyrian. More upset about the missing fleet that they lost on the way the Dohrn. This is a pressing issue for Tyrian because Tyrian he also has been under nearest Gary and he believes into start Garin. But everything that he is now living for is to get Danny on the throne, and that's hard ships. It's going to be a challenge. It's going to be a challenge. John calls out Tyrian. You don't believe in the night king? You said that there were grump gins and snark, remember? Yeah. Grump -ken Grumkas snark is a great name for a game of thrones podcast. If that's not already taken. Yeah. If somebody hasn't done that they should really go out and do it. I really don't know. I think that's a good one thing. So yeah, they'd be good. Okay. A very grumpy snarky rewatch of game of thrones. I think it'd be good. Okay. Ear for it. But I think somebody else should be tearing little patronizing. He's like, I do believe you. I do believe you. Yeah. You're not span. Yeah. And he had already you know, he'd heard from once upon a while he had heard from Lord more Mont and the rest of the night's watch. They had sent word about what had happened with the white at the castle. Black the fully the first time Tyrian is hearing about this. It just wasn't really didn't seem like a now issue back when Tyrian was working for his family. And now that John snow is here. And he's talking about the severity of what's going on durian buys it. Okay. So Danny is going to meet up with Tyrian because teary and said that he'll help John out in some way. And that way is the drag in glass. Hey, danny. Let's just let him do whatever needs to do in those dragging glass mind, you didn't care about this. Wasn't this half? The reason why John came in the first place. Yeah. He didn't really bring it up. Maybe he was waiting for the right time in this negotiation. She's got dragons she's got dragging glass that was like what he said. He's like, I gotta go. And check that out. Why didn't he why didn't he bring up the dragon glass sooner? But he's he's bringing it up. Now, he's got ally interior. I mean from negotiation standpoint things were not going well, and so I think that if he brings it up, then I think she's likely say, no, no, I'm not giving you that. But this was like an OB the way, and maybe that's sort of like helped his stance because he didn't seem desperate for it. So he's he's brought it up with Tyrian now interior bringing up with generis and even right now to narrow so annoyed with John snow that she's not super excited at the prospect. But she's she's willing to at least listen to Tyrian considering Tyrian is her hand. And so the Narus is asking Tyrian, what do you think about this army the dead? You think that's real? And Tyrian hopes not. But you know, you shouldn't, you know, just believe something because you hope that it's not real. The wise man said that once too narrow said, which is mandatory, I don't know remember. So you passing off your own votes. Are you re tweeting yourself again, tearing that's exactly what no no. He's re tweeting his throw a account. Earner accounts for account. Come on give them the trag glass. Give them something by giving them nothing. It's fine. Yeah. Fine. It's you know, it's better than nothing and it keeps them occupied. While we folks at the task at hand. And so Naro seems now at this point like, okay, let seems fair enough. Hey by Tyrian. She sure that thing that Dabo said about Johnstone like killed wasn't that strange weird. Yeah. Now. It's boring north you got to allow them their flights of fancy. Okay. So deniro's is going to then seek out John and they're going to have a conversation. Looking at the dragons, and John is is very impressed with the dragons and she named them for her brothers the Sarasin Reagan both gone now. Yeah. Yeah. John's like really into the dragons like the way that like a five year old is really into like toy trucks is like what John is like when he's around the dragons. He's really big big van. And when he finds out from deniro that she lost her brothers. John can relate knows what it's like to also really any also can relate that my father's name is Reagan also, no he doesn't know he doesn't know another. Okay. So weird because your brothers. My dad. So Jon snow has lost two brothers that in common. They've got. They've got that in common. So John is gonna is going to a lot of the same relatives in all Senate common family tree. That's just kind of wrapped up together. Devine's John wants to know, what do you think about the dragon glass thing is that reasonable enough? Generis says like okay, listen, I'm not gonna let stand the iron throne. I haven't changed my mind about which kingdoms belong to the throne Johnston hasn't changed his mind about that. Either. Nonetheless, regardless deniro's, going to allow John to mind the dragon glass and forge weapons from it. Very good news. Yeah. And John ASA. Well, then to do you believe me now? Get to your dragon glass buddy thinking about it. Which me, okay. We go back to winter fell and Sansa is in charge. And she's calling a lot of shots at winter fell. She's shot. Con winter foul, she's taking meetings with with a few people the way Scott little finger. There's got fricking yawn ROY sang out. Yeah. Yon ROY says now become like a Santa's like a little errand boy intern. Is there leather on those breastplates leather on this? I'll see to it at once. Yeah. This is a good faith for yon rice. As far as I'm concerned ten having ten to the leather on the breastplates yon Royce away. I don't even I don't even hate yon Roy's, I just I just do like how he's constantly putting his nose where does it belong? Why is he still here? Even it. Why is he such a big deal at winter? I know he's a big deal in the in the area. But he's like he's like second in command paid him for like, ten episodes and nothing to do with them. He has the best name yon, ROY great name. Okay. So starting to turn around on yon, ROY cion Rice's now my favorite character from a couple of minutes ago for a couple of seconds ago. Yeah. All right. So Santa she's giving everybody orders and little fingers. Like, wow, you were meant for command. Man, suits you. It's well God that already. You're the you're the best. You're the best at this. Have I told you lately that I love you, and they know little finger. He's trying to do is little finger thing here where he's really once again just trying to put the bug in Santa's ear about why she should be in charge, and blah, blah, blah, anything he can do to make that image of the two of them together on the throne happ. Well, he's just pissing her off more because he's like, an let's not forget about, sir. See because I know her better than like. Oh, no. Oh my God. No. You don't. Yeah. I know I know her better. She killed my mom being away from me and little finger is trying to say to her like look that just got to think about all the possibilities. Think about everything. Here's a good line. I think this was in the trailer for the season where he's I don't find in the north or south five every battle everywhere. I always remind everyone is your enemy. Everyone is your friend every possible series of events is happening all at once live that way. And nothing will surprise you everything that happens will be something that you've seen. We'll figure it does really practice. What he preaches? I don't think based on the season. I I'm coming around on it to a certain degree. I think once you once you do come to from the perspective like little finger does not have it off figured out. He makes them really solid bets. He's kind of terrible person. And so a lot of the time the terrible things do pan out in his favor. But he's not like the all knowing master manip-. And him. Underestimating this person who he thinks he has under his thumb is going to be the thing that undock him. I'm not mad at it. I'm not terribly mad at it. I think that it makes sense. I think for him to feel like he is right about this that he's got the highest opinion of himself. I think that's like the trick to little finger. Nobody is a bigger little finger fan than little finger. Okay. Santa is interrupted somebody's at the gate. Yeah. And we were in for another stark family reunion as Lord Brandon has returned. Okay. Brand. Stark is back not a super emotional reunion of Sanson brand really on either side. No. Because brand is you know, he's got all the three eyed raven powers now and is attempted right? Really does play him in this very detached way. Yes. In in season is very Email. And it was it was it was I think I don't know if it was the actors choice, or if it was a directing choice, they probably somewhere in between. But it is. It's a real sudden shift even from season six when there are some moments where when brand when Brandon mirrow leave Benjamin when Benjamin goes away and brand like Jack's back into the we're would tree to to download some more in town. He's alre-. Downloaded all this stuff from the three eyed raven on the ride he's still kind of talking with emotion. But now throughout the rest of the season, he's just very removed. It's hard to know exactly why that shift occurred, and well, maybe he's traveling so much through space and time, and he's really overwhelm. He's seen some stuff. He sees himself. And he'll tell Santa about what he has seen at the old. We're would tree. Yeah. She's I was John was here. And he goes, yes, I need to speak to him. Yeah. And census like well. You're going to be Laura winter fell now brand we're also all waiting for brand to speak to John. That would be great says I can never be the kid. Me I'm the three eyed raven now. What what does that mean? He's like it's hard to explain you wouldn't get it. I could see. Yeah. But he's seen everything including Santa talks about how she's been through a lot too. And he's like, I'm very sorry about everything that happened to you. I was there. I saw that night on your what on your wedding night. Senses. Like, I need to leave. It's kinda creepy. Brands talking about how she looks so beautiful on her wedding night. And that just makes you kind of uncomfortable, especially because that night was a bad one for Santa first of many bad days and nights to come when she was married to Ramsay Bolton. So I'm sure she's not appreciating being reminded of it. But isn't it weird that Sansa just leaves poor crippled brand at the we're would tree by himself in the middle of winter. Like, how's he getting back? Well, I mean, maybe she's just giving her brother more credit. You know, he's survived everything that he's to get back here. The first place you can make it back into the castle. He's ten he seems like he's got this. Maybe she's gonna just tell someone can you pick up brand yon yon. Hey. Hey. From the winwood tree pick up whereas little finger. Okay. I'll be right on that. He's got. He's got things. He wants every Aaron that sense tells you to come every article of clothing. Okay. Let's go back to the citadel. And we have our arch Maistre e Brose. He is inspecting Giora more Mont he's poking around and looking at the remnants of what has been picked off him. And it seems like like Sam has done the trick. And so he asks Giora if it hurts says it hurts a little bit. But a lot less than before and Brose thinks that the infection is no longer active, which to me is shocking considering what we saw of the operation of the removal scale, and according to the arch Maistre Giora more Mont was going to be leaving after one night. So is this the next day? I'm not sure, but they really give Giora like a clean Bill of health real quick like, well, I don't see any more gray scale. But maybe. We should keep you here for survey shin for another couple of days. I loved your more Mont do not get me wrong. Don't get it. Twisted as more Mont, an unsung hero in game of thrones. Or at least not sung about enough. Great character. Great actor has had some phenomenal scenes along the way. But there is this strange plot armor around your more month that I'm not sure I fully understand like the fact that he is going to be able to lick the gray scale things so quickly. Like, the gray scale. Don't like the grease. That's all he's going to get rid of it so fast. What's he comes into contact with Sam? And the fact that he's going to make it to the big episode beyond the wall, and he's going to survive there. What are they waiting for? What is Joris purpose in this thing very hard for me to factor into the end game. You just feels like a character that. There's a lot of reasons to think that he's not going to survive. He's one of those characters that could very easily like sacrifice himself for some greater good. He would my lad -ly die for the cause. Dying to die for the cause. Yeah. He he. He would hop on the grenade to save everybody from Chucky plan in child's play Danny from you know, from anything you do it though for sure. And they removed his gray scale, and they had him survive beyond the wall, which I was really sure that would be the spot. And so, you know, we're jumping ahead a little bit. But through the seven season finale, he still alive, and it may kind of makes me wonder like German is going to survive game of thrones. You think so I mean like would they have removed his gray scale, otherwise he's got to take a bullet for Danny? This was all for just just to clean them up a little bit more. So he could be back in Danny's good graces before that happened. Maybe I guess, I don't know. I mean when was it season five that he got the gray scale? And I know that that was somebody else's story in the book is it possible that they that they gave him that as a story line. But then there was like this was a mistake. Yeah. I don't think that's impossible. I mean, look if all we got out of it was the scene where Sam is operating on a more month for a maximum squeamish value. I'm glad that that exists on game of thrones. So gross. And it's such an excellent job by the make up department in the special effects seem. But just in terms of the plot. I guess I I don't understand why we went through all of this. Okay. All right. So Josh Weedon see uh Sam is going to be getting a handshake from Jura Santa's very confident in his work. Yeah. We'll Sam is a very confident guide these days. Yeah. I thought it was weird. Also in the last supper sewed that Giora was like writing a letter to dinars and like wasn't wearing gloves or anything. I'm like, dude, you're going to send your gray scale to the Khalidi own man. Yeah. It's like a sign real easy with that. Okay. But yeah, they're so. Confident in he's totally cured Sam shakes his hand. Yeah. So he sends Giora back out into the into the Univer free to go. He's free to go. Yeah. Can seem. So so rushed. But so Sam feels like he's going to hear it from arch Maistre e pros. Yeah. In the arch macer is very impressed with SAM's skills that he read a book and following instructions. And that was that he says that man is alive because if you should be proud and Sam is proud. He's very proud. But if Sam thought he was going to get a promotion for this in for something else. Come on knock it off goalless start transcribing all the man, you scripts and watch out for the paper mites because they bite. I mean, I guess at this is a better job than what he had been doing before. Now, at least he has access to books, you know, it's a it's a crappy job, but it's not us crappy last crappy job. That was that was definitely on every level more crappy. Yes. Okay. All right. Let's talk about our big battle sequence that we're going to get into here in this episode. So we're going to we're going to see everybody is at dragon stone, and they're at the table at the war table, and they're talking about how they're going to start invading Castro rock pretty soon. This is really well done. I really did. Appreciate this. I feel I enjoyed this more than a lot of the other battle sequences that we get on game of thrones talk me through it. Tell me why. I just like that the the the narration the battle sequences they go on for a long time. And I feel that you start to get a little numb to it. After a couple of minutes of the fighting where I really like Tyrian. I mean, the Dinkas great he talks us through it this twists and turns. And I don't need to. See fifteen minutes of the unsullied fighting random Lancaster's. I really liked how they gave us the important details. Kept the main characters part of it. And then the big twist on the end of how the Lancasters outfox them. Yeah. I like it more on a reward than I did at the time. I think it was pretty bored by it at the time felt it was anticlimactic because it's the first time we're seeing Casserly rock, and we get through it relatively quickly. I think on second watch. I think it's it improves for me because we know that there's going to be some really fun battle sequences coming up after this episode. And also just this episode in general is filled with so much. Great stuff. There's just so many great scenes almost every single scene before this is a a+ seen. So there's already been so much happening in this one hour that has been really enjoyable to watch. And you're right. I think to have sort of this unusually structured at least as far as game of thrones is concerned battle sequence. Hell. Helps out a lot. It's fun. And even though it doesn't work out the way tearing envisioned it it is a great monologue from from from the Dink is he's talking about how my father built our house up from ruined. He built the army built casually rock, but he didn't build the sewers that was a job that was beneath him speaking of crappy jobs, so he gave the job to Tyrian. And so tearing knows the sewers, and so he can sneak people in that way, and that ends up being the key to to conquering Castro Iraq. But the other piece of it is that there's not much to conquer because sir c Lancaster has anticipated some conflict Casserly rack, okay? It's a great rope. Adoped that we go on because it feels like, okay? We've got them right where we want. And then we have grey worm. Ultimately, say, hey, where's everybody else? Shouldn't every more? Where is everybody? And then here comes your on great joy from behind. And they're going to take out the rest of the ships fleet. Yeah. So that's tough stuff for the team deniro's taking another defeat. Yeah. It's not been a great rival to west rose so far. Yeah. Meanwhile, we see then the land army where they are. And they're in hargarten, Dr Bernard upper. Yeah, it's a real triumphant reins of cast Amir that's playing as Jamie rolls up on high guard, and he's got brawn with him. I bronze sighting of the season. He's got the taro's into. And he is he's conquered high guarded and high garden is sitting on all this money. So all this money is going to get back to, sir. See and it's going to get back to the iron Bank. So decent bet made by Tyco. He doesn't make belts doesn't make real takeaway. Okay. I love the shots of Jamie walkings through high garden. Yeah. How just like editing around his his journey from? Mike walking through the gates getting into the room with a lenna. And it's all like the same shot of just over the shoulder. Nikolai Costra WALDO, I love that. That's one of my favorite sequences of the episode. I love this scene with Jamie and the lady Alanna sell much. It's great. It's great because it's true to to lady Elena and a really a really solid way of writing her off the show where she doesn't get to go out completely on her own terms. But if she's going to go out, she's going to have the last laugh, and the fact that she is able to go out opposite a Lancaster where even if sir see is not in the room, sir. Sees very much in the room, theoretically, like, she's the she's the main topic of conversation. So I think that they did a really good job of closing at this character. And I think it's instructive hopefully for how some of these character arcs might close out in the final season is like just in a way. That's that doesn't quite meet what your expectations were. But when. Look at the scene from a couple of steps back that connects to this this connects to that that makes a lot of sense. I love the way that they write up lady. Yeah. Her final scene is a great one to. It's just so good. It's so good where she and Jamie or just, you know, she's never really traded wits with Jamie, Lancaster, he's not as good at it as his other siblings. But it's it's still it's it's great because it's cutting to the core of Jamie. It's getting Jamie himself to probably internally question. Some of the things that's going to lead him to leave by the end of the season where she's talking she's talking about how like you really do. Love your sister. You really are an attic. I loved when she asked him. Did we fight? Well. As well. As can be expected. It's okay. It was fine. Golden rose. What do we know about that? But I just I I love the so many twists and turns that this takes where she's like, she's ready to you know. Let's get into this. Like, let's talk about your relationship Thursay. Yeah. Yeah. Because if she's going to go, then at least, she can she can she can maybe try and impart some advice, and maybe maybe do either some damage here, or at least change a harder mind or two. I loved it. When she asks about the sword. Hayes. It wasn't that Joffrey or what did he call it? We does wailing. Oh, yeah. He really was a c word. Yeah. Yeah. Just say that in front of who she knows is. Others just it's it's intense. Yeah. But she talks about her regret. Also, the thing about survey was you know, I I never imagined that she would go to the lengths that she went. That was my failure failure of imagination. I think is just such a great turn of phrase and absolutely right. Like, I mean, I think all along the way through the journey of game of thrones. Even we as an audience often shared the view of so many people in the world. It's just kind of underestimating if she'll never be able to pull anything off and she pulls off the biggest mass execution of any main character in the show in the bay or attack and everything that's happening. Now is pretty ridiculous. Well, so I for Atlanta to articulate that. I love the way that she says. And she says, you know, she's a monster and Jamie's trying to justify that. Like, do you think that anyone like once we are rare? Raining peacefully over the seven realms any gonna be wringing their hands over the way. We got there. You get the sense, even Jamie. Like does he really by what he's trying to sell here? When Jamie ends up leaving, sir. See at the end of seasons of do you think that this conversation is weighing on him? I would imagine that you know, there's a certain element where he has to be recognizing the horrors that, sir. See is capable of. I think there's that moment of recognition even in the end of season six when he comes back from the river lands where he sees around the throne. So I think it's something that's on his mind, but something he doesn't wanna face and between this moment with lady lenna. I think that's going to help him get there. But I think once he sees the proof positive of the white Walker threat at the end of the season and to see that even in the face of that is going to turn away. I think for a guy like him who killed a king? But only did it because it was going to save tons of lives for a guy like Jamie, it's inexcusable at that point. So I think that this. Helps him for sure. I don't know if it's the the biggest part of it by think that without this conversation with lady Leno. He's gonna have a harder time getting to the point. I think somebody as like straightforward as lady lenna just giving you the straight talk in a moment where there's really nothing left to lose. She's already lost. I feel like these words are going to echo in your head after that. And so Jamie is going to reveal the plan to lady Lennon. How's it gonna go has just vile poison? Did they get on board with this? I don't know. He he he says he talked her out of all of these different terrible ways to kill lady. Atlanta, not sound like the see. I know, you know, they may be after a while like I just wanted to get Jamie out of the room. Yeah. Okay. So the vial of poison takes it instantly. She drinks it. Yeah. I know pain. It's going to be easy. But then she lives Jane leaves Jamie with some some painful closing remarks. Yes. And she says that she would hate to go out the way that Joffrey did the Joff. Yeah. She takes responsibility for for the for the purple wedding where she says like I'm glad this poison isn't painful, I'd hate to die like your son horrible day. That was not at all what I intended. I never seen the boys in work before in Jamie's just like quaking with rage and lady lettuces tell seriously. I wanted to know it was me. He never does. No. He what's her? No does he. I don't remember that. Take it just doesn't kill them. That's an improvement in mood. Yeah. So does the title the queen's Justice possibly refer to the Queen of thorns? Is there an interpretation of that? Yeah. I think you just interpreted it that would require. Episode generis and the Queen of thorns rest in peace such a great character. Diana Rigg as this character is one of the best truly wanted. There's so many great characters on this show. This is one of them really really top notch. She's she's one of my all time favorites, I feel like it doesn't have a bad scene. I'm sad that she's gone. I think that they wrote her out perfectly. You know? There's only a few episodes left to go. You gotta start writing some of these people out the only thing we can ask for that. They get written out as well as the Queen of thorns. Yeah. I think this few characters on the show that you could say that that they don't have a dud scene or plotline along the way. Yeah. She brings it everytime. She's on. She really did really. She even made like she has the best high Spero scene. Aside from the one where he dies, but like outside of that like she has the best one. Yeah. Okay. And that is the queen's dresses. All right. So we are we are on tap for for some battle in next week's episode the spoils of war halfway marking seasons. Yeah. We're getting through it. We're cutting through next episode is going to be the loot train battle not the loot. Crate battle. We're going to see all that aria is going to return to winter fell. There's going to be more shenanigans on dragon stone. John snow is going to see theon for the first time in a long time. If I remember, right. Yeah. It's all happening. Yep. They'll happen closing in on the season seven finale and the ultimate return again. What's that return date? Josh April fourteenth fourteenth Martin challenge marker on my calendar. Okay. Of course, you could follow everything that. Joshua's doing over a ta char dot com slash game of thrones of final season teaser hints at a happy ending. Yeah. Happy ending for game of thrones. I think for for aria stark. I think that there's. You know, I've been I've had grim predictions about Arias stark. And you'll read the article I think that there's like maybe a potentially a positive spin on what we see from her seeing dragon in in this little spot. Listen, I'm really I'm trying to do it. I can't hear okay? Potentially REO will fly off into the sunset on a drag at the end of game of thrones. That's the final shock. I mean, come on. That's west of west coast. Let's find out. Yeah. And then they play like drogue on they play the never ending story on. Yeah. Same. The no one. Yes. That game of thrones collectible series brings winter to baseball. Don't ask me about that one. Talk about that record. All right. Find out. Let's tease. Okay. All right. Follow Josh Wigley on Twitter at round Howard. I'm at robs a studio. We've got great coverage of a season nine of the Walking Dead continuing. Plus coverage of Star Trek discovery of at post show. Recaps dot com. Hope you have a good one. We'll talk to you next time to get a good one. I.

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Sarah Squirm has never seen Game of Thrones

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I got all this stuff like that. We're METALLICA concert composer. All like Like boys are stupid. Threw rocks at them in like psycho bunny and it was almost targeted instagram ads for teenagers before that was a thing. Do you know what I mean. It was like high-tech Prank when I was in eighth grade they had four machines. I know this because My eighth grade teacher Mr Pollard. Allard bought a fart machine. And this was a separate. This is a cold as nine eleven. Just WanNa free so he bought a machine and and on September eighth or ninth. We knew it was going to happen to that. Was the worst part about machine or the nine eleven we brevity days it's going to be called nine eleven it was going to be the name Who Knew it rolled off the tongue? Love it we thought it was just a stranger things reference and so we put the fart machine under the teacher's desk in the temporary walls. Because there's a public school so you could open into classes would be in the big empty. I do hell and Western public. Let's go to school and you went to school of some of your walls weren't fake walls up. All of our walls were doors and some were windows and he put the machine under. Mr Vander passed the other teacher's desk I heard that guy I I kinda like. I'm never I was never the clown I was always funny funny but I was never like the loud funny. I was just kind of like saying stuff to my friends but Mr Ballard put under Mr Van Past Desk and push the thing and you heard the far through the wall and Mr Vander Pass. Who was the basketball coach? So he knew me. I was the best player. I just this height in eighth grade so very good they were like you have to legally you have to play for being tall tallboy and Mr assumed. I did it and started screaming at me for putting a fart machine under his desk. Meanwhile the other teacher had done it. He's point oranges. Mr Pollard go. It was Mi Mr Andrew Collier to save school used to clean up all the trash off the floor. You have to do all this and he kept doing this thing like he was going to take care of. Take Take care of it in front of everybody. Don't secretly 'cause like I literally. I didn't do it Mr Palmer did and he goes no. I know you do something like Yemen. Narcan this duty did nine eleven karmic comeuppance for you like. He was getting back for something else that you did. It was how far into the school school years. September ninth. Yeah that's that's pretty early already your little in. Could this have been Panama's go Australia. That's what he was taken now on the future of how bad it free throws me and you know this but I feel like regardless of where we are what we're doing. We very quickly veered at nine eleven. And I don't know why that is you were from the Mid West. Meanwhile I was literally at nine eleven. So that's a club in Santa Monica the actual roses there they would doing blow with Zeppelin. I sold my car to clap then for three three grand here I met. I met this guy. 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I worked at a mall in circa high animal. Not just that I work at a mall. Aw I actually had a rivalry with hot topic adder mall yet bought a ramones shirt and a CBGB's shirt there the girls like you've never been to New York. Is You know you you've ever been to like New York. I bet and I was like yeah. No I haven't but like I like punk rock for wearing lifted I am. I was a New Yorker for a decade but at that time I was fifteen Israel kid wearing a bollywood shirt. Right now you've never been to India bootleg. Barks New York shirt. No but this girl started like calling me out for that I was. It's like she's like that's not punk rock. I was like you were gonNA fucking Mall like how not punk rock. Is that for the man like the little punk oasis of hot topic. Nick always next to an Abercrombie holster was a sitting area. I ate lunch at a hollister entryway. One time poster sit we even have a house Only got I literally just remembered. My mom wouldn't let me go into hot topic sad that there should be a sign outside of hot topic. That says no one's allowed to come in here unless you're eighteen years of age because my mom thought it was a sec. A horny sex perverts because they probably have the belt. The strutted Boehner pillow. Yes yes jokes jokes. Yes and it had like a distressed goth fonts and my mom was like. Oh No hot topic. We're I guess we're talking about the ARC Urquhot topic where it went from metal and then the way described as he was briefly. Almost Spencer's yes. Yes they embrace that and then in our. I think almost like the rick and morty and the pop vinyl store Horny anime girl. Oh yeah those dolls. Hello Kitty is that what. Hello Kitty is is that you gotta and and like the whole. They're all the same thing you'll see the same. Meanwhile he's like a lying around the number one a the On the next episode toddlers Never Seen Hen Tom. We have Marie writing a end. Really like gory. 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Look I feel like you've seen this Pearl Harbor reenactment diaper and worked at a mall and never went on deviant art noise at a kiosk at the mall. You know the markup on those toys age myself out of this podcast but what is deviant art. Real question see taught thirty five. I I missed. There's a window where things were not cool and they'd be as I got older. They became the same regions. Is Cool not well if you WANNA look at pictures of anthropomorphized. Remorse is sexy airplanes. We don't know either. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa as myself on his podcast. What does anthromorph pie air on? You're not aging yourself up by not knowing a word word I WANNA h myself but what is sex. What is what is this Chris? What is television topic? And there were more vise sexy Airplanes we airplane. That has been personified isn't a sub. Read it all the weird should I know about. That's like animals from suburbs on Reddit. badgered deviant in our is like is like right artists. Oh that sounds great okay sports radical lots of times. I will see artists complaining about people wanting free drawings that like A. DVR thing like please drum please draw Ross so and so from this show but looking like this please please draw a power. Puff girls put sex and so these are probably the artists are like these people fucking beg for this stuff stuff all the time and never want to. It's all user generated fan are it's like oh no I. That is yeah word. No I know I know I. I'm not an artist. Oh Pencil Pencil. I've tried to peruse deviant are looking for an artist right and I can't figure out pinterest I couldn't figure out deviant ours pinterest either. Pinterest doesn't make any sense at all. You want to buy this hat like vintage hat and then it's on pinterest and like I don't even know how to get that someone told me. Oetzi is like Pinterest but you can buy this stuff but it's not the same stuff I think but going pinging you somehow have to like so. Yeah and then you end up like on a woodland wedding. Pay Everything you anytime you want to buy anything of interest. You have to agree that you do live laugh. Love Yeah everything is is a wood grain. It's like someone made target that weird corner of target where they sell the lamps. You can't afford in art that yes you know. It's always wine o'clock doc. That's the thing. One Tequila Tequila three Tequila floor every time. Oh that's fun. That's you've never had that shirt so deviant that's a New Orleans specific. Dd Archer deviant art and be like can you make this. I need a poster but with a big frogs logo on it but it has to be a little different so I don't get sued. Frog is sucking his own Dick. That would be neat. Ask sounds awesome. I need to get that hen tire. Jermaine God mango is like a type of graphic novel. I don't know too much isn't mangle like a long enemy. It is okay. You don't like the word book. Look in the word. Awful are two different things this just clicked. Anime is like this is the moving in it. Yes it's the it's the classification I've never seen it by notes at the POK. Mon sure. Yeah those are lanny. This is insane. I this is like a very big blindspot won't be so fun. Record an intro for this episode. How no one knows? WHO's here? I I just starts with diaper airplane. Tommy Henty fans are going to be hating it. Instagram after this episode. How many how many comments after this one Yeah target Doggett. I've got some haters. Some tech any marvel movies and people tend to hold that against I the little also diaper hint. I is really good in general. It's really good precursor to this. Oh you ask do the love that I don't know so okay so over. Here's Sara Sherman who's never seen game of thrones. I have never seen game. I have ever seen hottest here has never seen game of thrones. Yes I don't and I was like I was trying to think of. What's the most popular thing we Maradona? Game of thrones enforced dump. It seemed like yeah. Yeah because I never seen those but then forrest Chris competence like the one thing I know about that movie is that you know you got you. Got A guy who's got a brain. You look mental illness until two thousand four Ford. You didn't mental this until four. You're just a college football player player. Triumph idiot does all the cool stuff he wins at Ping Pong attended. Dan Yes he wins at Ping Pong other shit that I just it does. He went to college. He meets Kennedy Kennedy country. He doesn't kill Kennedy. He's at the Million Man March. Yup that's the point is moving. Having a great question it does not hold up at really really. Haven't seen I saw for the first time when I was in college. And e you know the expert this we talked about this law in the podcast the expectation when someone wants to show you their favorite thing and they say you'll love it. They're saying this is what I think of you. If someone's like like how many people you'll you'll love this y'all so my friends like you love movies you'll love forced they were calling your stump. Yeah they weren't bill. You'll love forrest. Gump you read and I'm like you are forrest gump. Yeah you behave like four. And I'm like they were like but they were like you'll love this movie at one of these awards if you didn't let's see it right when it came I saw it in two thousand eight time. That's struggle. I bet how was like this is it feels like it's hitting me while I'm watching it. Does it hot hot girl have sex with him. He's he's not like like elephant man. He's not like totally disabled lower here. Arrange from no one ever listening to this podcast again. Elephant Man Sports Go. I feel like it's like a thing where he's like He. I don't know if you'd call him retarded right. I think he's not. He doesn't have like mental illness necessarily does he. He's a simple man. Sir Million Times does life is like a box of chocolates guy right. Yeah but that's a simple bowl thing to say something like your grandma could tell you like. Oh Yeah He. He was almost the same as there's something about Mary. No like Walter. Yeah crazy have you never. I haven't watched it in a long time. But now he's not. He's not unable to function alone but he has clearly eerily. He's not sharp as somebody who's never seen the movie. I thought we were talking about like I am Sam. Know that'd every better than elephant man. Yeah he's not like I am Sam. It's not it's not. It's not. It's not a character study about that type of person you shoulda done for his notebook we could talk about it and then but then you watch watch the movie and it's pretty insensitive to him. Yeah and also it's con- he accidentally ends up in all these historic events. He like his there and meets Kennedy. He goes goes to Vietnam and about that. Everyone folks you eh no comma war with Iran and it was put it is it also. Isn't that great now. It is the I would say. Earnestly the Oscar Bady EST movie ever seen him out more than crash crash yes but it feels like crash. which is maybe that you're like a robot tried to win? An Oscar is what this feels like Tom. Hanks plays a guy who falls into every historical thing. Is they read some article about how wearing glasses. I've having read an article about David. Thank you this is sort of Asian. This is sort of the same thing as I read this like this. Like crazy bitch follow online Made some like Like did some like in-depth analysis about how she thinks that Tom Hanks is a up up because every one of his movies like patriotic core. It's like look at everything that happened. In American history generally and all of his movies plays the most likeable most liberal conservative involved in a historic event and every movie up somehow like references. Whatever like current can we just can can you just when you get a chance? Just get her on there so I can follow her to this. Lady's life underscore Bryant. Oh yeah okay class. It's it's not all this but it's something like that and I can't get there. We'll get there. We've got some Tom. Hanks movies here and see if we think he's an arken all of them. What is it H. A. N. K. S.? Dan Episode last week. It's been a lot of Tom. Hanks Chet Hayes always with chill then he he actually and here and I'm stepping in to stick up for the guy because first of all loved his video. Wait what the great impression do you have a new thing. I have not sure people say of him. People said it wasn't offensive accident. He was doing. I think he was doing a great impression of everyone. I grew up with doing a bad impression of someone I really love to celebrities being outrageous and I can watch a video and outrageous. He's great great. He's doing a really. He's doing patois that he shouldn't be doing. He's a rapper. Rapper or is this a comedy is a rabid fish okay perfect. He's a rapid but he was I went to northwestern and while I was there He was like letting homeless kid that he would buy drugs from living his dorm. So Robin Hood Love It. Hell yeah he's a hero. He's an ally no no no. Let's check I think I know because I saw four seconds of something almost so we seem to be a little chat expert. Check Sports. I like to call it the Vancouver. I know a lot about one cereal. And Him. A check expert. What do you think? The overlap is between Chet Hayes fans and hot topic. It's winning back right now. The circle it looks like one circles from arrival though burks shooting off the edge of it shake it like. Oh the bottom. Sound this podcast. Is everyone discovers the thunder stick on their own. So you can hit the top of it too. I sound like less Klay Pool kind of the among the hot topic people back then points talk. We got him back in the Klay Pool. We talk about PRIMIS. You have to like us now. Is there or any In the deep end Klay Pool podcast. Okay the frog brigade got together and like you can score the whole podcast score everything all right. Let's go through the Tom. Hanks movies and we'll see on on the level of agent literally never seen a single movie but yeah go on. That's a real story. Like the Confessions Confessions of a dangerous mind guy the Chuck Berry Truck Bearish. Let's guys named Chuck Somethin- due to show probably gets into it was a real. CIA agent then including made a movie about it. Sam Rockwell early rockwall roles. That's great. I Love Sam Rockwell Rockwell. Looking dangerous mind is deep in the cree. The Hollywood movie they They they got a lot of Pi. Yeah every rider was the communist thing. That wasn't thing and then they killed What's his name? You Know Stanley Ledger. I'm really glad it was blowing open twisted roll coming hang out the latch joker ever God bless. God bless starbucks audio the listeners. This is comedian. Moshe casher and I've got a brand new album coming out on January twenty fourth. It's an all crowd work album. It's called crowd surfing and it's unique. Twist on crowd crowd work one that I think you'll enjoy January. Twenty four th get it anywhere you get your music. I think one of my favorite things I've discovered recently on the Internet is people who love the I haven't seen joker the the walking Phoenix joker movies so bad people who love that movie pointing out things like they're the only one who noticed noticed is my favorite thing that someone like post a real dude. They'll be like see what they're trying to do. It's like a picture of walking Phoenix in the back of the car. And then it's an picture. There'll be a picture picture heath ledger in the back of the car in the back. Did you see the relation script. It probably say that shot from the Dark Knight and put it in the movie to people love pointing out details. The only person who knows his Grace Deep Metaphor D.. To do you see. We're not killed people that's like in the previous joker when he killed people watch them burn. Perfect Dumb Guy Thinks he's smart movie. I will say I'll never see it not a virgin. But it is a perfect guy who thinks he's smart movie but I loved when all those guys is like found out that like 'cause that steps scene is Gary Glitter's song as big a big big peto pedophile had a file. They quit playing those at sports games. Did I don't think they didn't also I feel like his era. There were bigger pedals to like there was a British toast guy not to go back to game show host guys. But it's Gary Glitter's initial pedophile outing Kinda got swept under the rug because it's other game show host guy. It's like literally no lapse art from the person from the adult. It'd be better. Please please quickly. That's good. That is true. That is like Jeffrey Epstein Todd. No that's didn't kill himself. Talk show host host family feud in the UK very policy. What talk show guy was a famous Petofi? It's like sixties guy and they ha. They swept under the rug for like Like twenty or thirty years the problem we finally died. They started like not hiding in any of the problem with slough sweeping under the rug. Is He's way bigger than the rug. And you could just see him over there. The body shape person underneath underneath is like when a mob movie when they throw them out and roll them up in the rug class. Jerry Sandusky run of just like insane. Pedophilia why found out has a pedophile island. To besides Sandusky but besides decision you have a pedophile island collegiate the university taxpayers tarred bubble nine Pennsylvania Funding Penn state. I'm going to Penske NC next week. I have to do a college show but now I just remembered about ooh cancel culture guy but I say fuck that cancel this show. We like fuck you guys only income. If they like him or not I wanted to return statute of you put backup. That was crazy when they were like Lee. The statue no crazy me. I'm going to get in there. I'm a real edge. Lord when it comes to bring it up pedophile pedophile island. David Copperfield has the pedophile. Island is a part of a trigger. That's a real thing to do. You got to wait to see if there's a second hand someone was it's like where's my son and he was like David Blaine also legally allegedly. I thought he was in like Pussy. May think about the POSSI- into Capri one. One of them is the Caprio is like now like they all look at him and they're like they're sold like they look like sold it so I mean odds gross every fucking comedian went on. They took their little tiny fingers their little tiny vote and went off the fingers. Comedians get on twitter after the golden gloves. And they go ricky Jay Racist canceled at about something bad hates him or whatever because he doesn't believe in God or whatever which I'll talk with excellent he gave he was the host the Golden Globes and he was like roasting people. Jeff Cassini's friend. The funniest joke was really funny. I like some of these jokes jokes a lot more. He's whatever to me but the jokes are funny. He had me alive at his joke was like all the Golden Globes are so long that by the time the award shows over. Everyone's going to be too old for that. I'm lacking joke. Joke and definitely not uncomfortably. Because the camera was on him he was just laughing because he loves comedy. I WanNa hear you lead a group group called Pussy posse you gotTa know that you're taking some flack from. Because he goes wore the shirts to the Golden Globes he was wearing a pussy out of the IT. It was actually in the METALLICA fun. Too Crazy topic got a hot topic. I mean we're so far in now do even do the script. I like the skinny literally begging you not to remind you that. I'm afraid that it's so bad. That then this all this energy just like completely. Do you WanNa do the script at the very end. We'll do other stuff that I can be sitting here being wrong. Didn't realize we invited a pervert. Crowley David perversive come across. I think that's where I feel. Like Epstein Jerry Sandusky diaper pedophile entire like what area. That's actually season. Three of game of thrones. I used to run a show called first comes love and what it was was. I put an ad on craigslist and said Iran Porn Company. And then I'd have comedians act out the submissions that I got and someone sent me. A game of thrones one called one of the best titles ever gay muffed throws wrote that I wanted because if we use them in the show context attack them back. This is actually what it is. Here's some money came into in the show and sometimes they would say yes but that person never got back men like this is the funniest title at the so good. It's so it's like so oh four steps ahead of everyone I know especially because they did it before the show even came out look three dimensional delegate match press release pilot the deadline H. B. O.. PICKS UP GAY muffed threads. Oh I loved it Bullets I have seen game of thrones I mean so yeah I've seen all of it it was I liked a lot of it. I think it was like at its peak huge fantasy guy but when he was at its peak. I'm like this is really good but then also eventually you're just in and you're watching something till it's over. I feel like anything that has as much cultural currency. As game of thrones like I would have a lake maybe a visual language for. Here's the problem. I I watched the whole show. Beca you wash right. How many season was six or seven? Eight so there's a lot of there's a lot of episodes there's it's like a hundred and some episodes of the show right so cost millions of dollars to make by the end of it it. Is it the budget. The beginning was low. I A face shown by the end of cost cost ten million dollars an episode. And then if you start now the first ones look like a high school play in 'cause you're just like it's like the Milwaukee clearly reusing costumes from other. Hbo Show Shit Shit But Star Trek. When they like literally like reuse the sets from like other shows yeah so it's so low and then it became so high? Then it's basically every movie right but I never. I'm so bad with character names and shows I'm really really bad it. I'm so bad at remembering them. The whole time I we watched die hard. I was literally really calling one guy. Die Hard It was Bruce Willis and I'm like die hard cop and then I'm like bad man and I know their real names. That's the insane I know. That's Bruce Willis but I'm still calling him die hard. Live a podcast about movies and TV. Shows can't remember the whole time. I had a hard time with game of thrones because everyone looks the same right has has bad stringy long hair and I don't remember who's good bad okay. So by the end I was just like okay. There's long hair. No Armor Sword girl and I remember like Aria. Because she's a child and that's how I and then something happened where the show wasn't on for two years and all the Clinton signing the book all all the kids aged but kids on the show but so all of a sudden in between seasons and were the list of these kids fear's way where are they where they're located and so all of a sudden all the kids were you in real life and so then they are way too tall to be as conf and I'm like I had hard time with the characters. I still liked a lot of it. But they're a million. It was like me watching more of the rings. Are you good stringy hair armor people anyways always I. I did really well not really lost. But I feel like on one of these podcasts. I'm close game where I would. The quiz was game of thrones stuff. I feel like I did decent for all all right. We did a show. We did a rapid trivia. Show you've never seen and talk. You got like eight out of twenty five for having never seen eleven and then I got like nine eleven. I can't remember. Never forget nine or eleven I feel like freezes from that show that like have seeped into into the Zeitgeist like this all. This is Chinatown Chinatown. That's how I got eleven this question I knew like the eleven things. Yeah hid it real good. I wanted to script and then we'll talk about. We'll keep going. We got some games are GONNA play. Well let's do it so you can cast the descript. Poverty want cool. So do you want to be wall to all. That's the name of the person. Oh wait. What's it called with the description of the direction you can read the direction? Okay that sounds cool. What am I talking about? I think you made a thing of taking that I'm using A. That's what that's such a cool name for your call next. 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I'm wondering Alex we can't come over and sit here and we'll back and forth. Yes yes wait for those not too large Rolls Dinner Fart Art Garden and glorify your dinner. I'm the glorious. You're the Global Doug orbits or gorgeous is just than just or is he also he she I think it's a she tight. And also if there's anyone that's like a surprise you can just cast it when it comes up if you want. Okay if you don't want to. Oh also there's some sort of second backstabbing glorious. Okay all right. I'll be a surprise character then great. So you're Jon. Snow the names of these people John. And can you believe the things very your dinner for a garden. Here Galore okay. I was never a dinner for two guard at Your Voice I make twenty characters might have like thirty characters. It's fine and you're also big silver dragon every time big silver dragons name name changes. Look I tell you. I don't want to spoil anything but I've noticed. Eventually dinner for gardeners shorten to dinner and I liked. But you've got tired of writing. We'll see not immediately. Oh are you guys are able to tell how tired oh by the way. This is eight hundred pages. No it's not it's eight pages. Todd was like you say eighteen. Okay Penn state right now. I need to get their case Apple. What were the kids? Doing in game of thrones at school. Well here's the thing is there's kids in real world but came from season. Game of thrones. Everyone was dragon. Became born nineteen was L. O. G. O. It's Amy Imho Oh you part of the GOP. Yes yes isn't Bill Mitchell running in the GOP primary. Look in your Coffee Cup. No not yet closer. Almost they're ready. Wow that's a hot topic coffee go. This is a hot or an iced topic. 'cause it that'll play that's GONNA play great. I feel like That might play as well as my blouse. I always say podcast visual jokes. Here's there's my issue the podcast I walk into the room. You guys go Sarah Lewis Cooler Alvis amazing everyone listening to this podcast. We've video. They can't tell picture afterwards. Okay Cool I put. That makes me uncomfortable. I got a camera phone. Wait till like I'm the only one cooking blow your mind in my phone is a camera or you want to pull my mind. If you're like my phone I have that three scary surveillance cameras like that new iphone. That has the three you can one of them. You always have to say enhance. It is a little bit more talking about those new iphones. They have like three cares and it looks case. It's a big black half circle of cars mask DOC. I thought it was that thing. All the food goes in on Thanksgiving. I second that's a Cornucopia of a food food processor mouth thinking of mouth all right. So is there any more character awesome when they come up. I'll just I'll be if I forgot anymore. I'll just be something cool all right. There's a lot of exposition. That's fine that's the way to do it. I love it because there's a lot of wall carpeting nineties midwestern home. There's a lot of wall west earlier in the pocket and I mowed continues. Tom Hanks as always we never talked about it. When I look I kept trying to pull up his? I'm Debbie it kept crashing on my computer down man who so then I got like assassinated killed my dog hooch that would have been a good CIA cover movie. That would've been a real turn okay. So we're doing good. I thought that yesterday to turn who'd been planning time. Not My friends so crazy. TRASK GONNA play. The game of thrones team underneath your only God. Oh Wow all this is gonna be good. Okay you guys tell me wanted to go interior dark. TR- trippy out. The word is drippy. But I said trippy that'd be really goes to show you st- okay. That was me smoking and blind your year I fully don't smoke weed them. Too much of a neurotic Jewish. She we did it with two hands. California it's legal analyst. He took that shirt off. Enrolled in legalize legalize it. Interior dark drippy cave night Jon Snow Clad in full silver armor sits stone table in his dark drippy cave sipping bubbling boiling hot beer out of Pewter Stein by candlelight he flips through old. Scroll as if it were a book with many pages. Even though it's just one really big really long Johnson Parchment. The beer keep scalding his thin. Little Lips out. This beer is hot. That's the door it quote unquote. Some plot flaps blows GIGAMON blast. Oh aw judging myself. It blows open to reveal dinner. Fart Guard in the Dragon Queen Riding on the back of an incredibly voluptuous silver. Silver Dragon a dragon with a big beefy pair of enormous rock-hard tits and those lines dudes gets on their pelvis when they have really ripped abs dinner for you guys and I'm talking about right filthy lines when you get when you're really read considered is yeah come that's the song. Come as you are is about. Actually things are there. It's it's come gutter as you are gutter. You've never heard that but I think we only have. We only have one hour and forty eight more minutes by Adrian Bond Siegler. It is if we run out of this also the wallpapers. Just this type this line with spikes coming out of it. I looked up dungeons and dragons background. Music Gal from commodores okay. Dinner Darden is a beautiful white waif-like thing in her skinny pencil neck. Quivering under the weight of her big crown of one million thorns dinner far gardens struggles to rein in a smaller but still very busty silver dragon on a leash each made of sexy chains and studs the smaller silver dragon flutters about and nashes her shiny teeth while the big silver dragons stares directly at John Snow craning her next appeared deeper inside the cave looking her glossy lips with a long thick grey tongue. Girls Easy Jon. On Snow sets down his papers and approaches guests his heavy metal chain mail and chest plate. clanking around loudly. The echoes reverberate off the walls of the near Empty Cave. Well look what the dragons dragged in a message for you. If it isn't dinner fought Gaden coming down from our high pointy castle to visit the little old. Jon It's now I know what he sounds like and I'm not close but you guys don't know that but I'm going for this. This is who is now in his little cave on the side of these. This is closer to Shrek Cave on the side of the mountain. That doesn't get any good light or have any windows really. This small silver dragon breaks loose from her chain starts manically fluttering about the cave batting her wings. Wildly knocking over. Jon Snow's many pewter mugs and swords leaning up against the walls and other guys stuffy hasn't as Globus get back appear sit. Stay Nice try. I won't stop being hyper until I get my treat. Fine Dinner Garden Letdown an exasperated sigh ravages through her many satchels for a treat she pulls out a long white femur bone throws a deep into the darkness of the Cave Fetch Borges Panting and tongue wagging Jeez the bone down into the cave and disappears into the darkness dinner rummages again through her satchels and produces a big red envelope with one of those sexy wax seals the envelope to John John. Snow if you're up up for it I'd love to invite you to my red wedding. The theme of my wedding is that we are all wearing the color red and as we all know red is the color of love. Thank you can make it. I am so into this. Oh Oh you waiting for me to read my part okay. Right John on snatches the invitation from Dinners Bony Little Hand. Scans it quickly. Jon Snow Your Quarterly Invited to the holy matrimony of dinner fought cotton and collegiately default garden. You can't marry Ca Lisi that's your sister. Yeah and I love my sister cans. Love your sister Sara. Not like that dinner. hops off big dragon and wags her finger in John's phase. Oh come on Jon snow. You know that's our thing you know. We love having sex with our family and raping and killing and stabbing and flanker the snow freely. Fast All piss off your sister Kisser. Some now you're homophobic. I swear to God John. John Starts Getting really heated up when he notices that bill. Big Silver Dragon is still making. Is it him. He gets distracted for a second blush. Is You know what guys I've I've got a big wall coming up and I've got a lot of sorts to shop in before then so I've really got a lot going on right now and I don't think I have time for all of this. Suit Yourself Jon snow. You're going to feel really left out when you miss my big red wedding in the big Red Velvet cake and all the big red dogs. We're GONNA dress up in funny little Tuxedo. Suddenly a loud booming god-like voice. It goes through the mountains outside the cave. I have on the line. I'll be right back Jon. Snow the wind is calling me calling out to the wind blustering about high grid. Thanks so much for getting back to me on such short short-notice dinner walk out of the cave. As she calls up to the Sky John Shifts his gaze back to the big silver dragon now puckering her scaly lips and pushing her globular muscular tits together with their talons. Hey John Snow I want you to eat my ass. awestruck quivering okay. Okay absolutely John Snow Pounces on big dragon mouth. I running his fingers through her scales and tugging at her. Erect Tail with Fervor Dragon tries ripping his armor off really passionately but it keeps banging on his head and crews generally really difficult to take off. Moaning basically okay. How are you gonNa need my ass now or what? Dragon's tongue is plunged so far down John's throat that he is troubled talking aerobic awareness. You don't know where my assets actually on on a dragon in the ASS theoretic. Where would theoretically be under my tail? You Dumb Ass Johnson. Excitedly Lee hops off big dragons. Massive boobs runs all the way around her huge mountainous body to the erect turgid throbbing tail on her backside wedge between two gorgeous perfect perfect ask jeeves. The tree trunk sized tail throbs rhythmically swollen with pulsing veins lifts up the tail to reveal an enormous gaping dragon butthole leaking a steady stream of bubbling black goo. John's eyes light up with zeal at the side of his face. Basking in the glow of all using glory with one one arm holding the heavy tail above his head like an umbrella. He bends his neck down towards the whole tongue wagging come on John. GotTa get in there. I'm trying flying. It's just a a really awkward angle. He gotta get down in there. John you got a new down in their town so damn heavy you gotta bend the knee. John you gotTa bend the knee. John Drops to his knees surrendering to the glory of the butthole which is now puckering and pulsing an ecstasy squirting streams of juice in twos face. Spring missed like a fly like a fleshy shower head. He likes his lips he goes. Nothing's on snow. Takes a deep breath and punches his whole head into the open hole L. letting it swallow him up to the shoulders just then glorious the small dragon from before that you guys forgot about scuttled back from the shadows of the cave holding something in her mouth. It's Peter Peter. English flails his arms. He's in the show right. He flails his arms about struggling to break loose. From blurbs intimidatingly sharp canines at the site of John Snow's head disappeared completely into big dragons ass glorious jaw drops letting Peter Fall to the floor with a thud album. I not what's this then. John Snow pops his head out of the Dragon's as his head. Now completely covered with Gu. Black Slime gumming up his nose holes. It is a black sludge in between his teeth. He spits out a GLOB of sexual muck. Like a baseball player Hawking allude come join in the fun Globus Abuse. What the F. John's no that's nasty your nasty the law? The merrier late is. That's my sister and I would like to finance. Why is this? So who's your sister. Who's the sister kisser now? Peter Dink lidge still rubbing his ahead from fall pipes up. Hey how me short disgusting mate by the way. The dragons are British. Oh Yeah Big Silver Dragon. It's not sister kissing. If it's like all cool and like and words and stop by my name is Joe. You didn't even know my night. Did she was good. I always go to somebody els doing. Michael Chang Chong is slapped John Snow across the face with her now flaccid tail. It leaves a nasty red mark. Glorious takes distilling boiling beer and splashes in his face real housewives style Johnson screams in Hackney. No you have the perfect bread face to wear the red wet you pitiful cave dwellings. Dogo Gloria spits at Johnson's feet and discussed the two dragons sisters make their way towards the door. All right. Well thanks for calling calling Hagrid. I hope thanks for calling haggard. I hope we have a throne big enough for that fat ass wedding game musical chairs or as I like to call it. Game of thrones. Anyway I digress. Be well theater stops in her tracks in the doorway. Her face contorts in shock as she takes in the scene before before John's faces covered third degree burns and it's still also completely covered in dragon. Shit let's get Outta hit dinner. Uh I can't be in this hideous hideous man cave any longer. Dinner Shakes her head of John. It gives him most disappointed. Disapproving look wait till my father. Another big important dragon. Dragging Guy Not Tracking World Finds Dinner Glorious and Chagas Fly Sea fly offers distance. Johnson stands at the mouth of his cave looking out at the vast lonely rolling hills of green and and jagged rocks below him. Norway is beautiful sir. Peter Creeps up behind him. I mean I'm still alike down to like do stuff for whatever if you want. John's there's no. What were you doing sneaking around in the shadows of my bachelor this whole time? I got cold. 'cause it's always snowing outside so I needed a place to say and wore for my little tutsies by the fire. Do you WANNA be roommates. Yes sure I need a place to stay. Because it's always snowing here in Norway or Iceland Iceland or wherever cool rent is like two hundred a month that works for you. Dad Saul landlords out of literally early. Nowhere suddenly Peter Dingle whips out at enormous broad sword and slices. Jon Snow's head clean off bloods. Birds of his neck wears had used to be his headless body runs around like could chicken with its head. Got Off spraying blood. All over the inside of the cave. Peter Gingrich to camera no war but Class War Bernie Twenty Twenty Bitch Peter Wings the camera with very little rise smirk. He dips a finger into a pool of blood and gives it a little link Now that despic- ball blackout season season finale Georgia Martin's Oscar. I feel like that it has to be anti right shots. And that's basically edythe Dallas tight. Do people usually right horny. Fan Fiction for show. They've never seen. Yeah every time every single time I figured and also with that show which is essentially. It's a fetish. Okay fantastic. All I know is that it's it's it's raping a lot and there's the reap show isn't it. I know they raped red wedding. You'RE GONNA call any show the rape show you say this is probably the one. I haven't seen succession but I. They might be the incest show. Yeah like a similar vibe similar vibe. Lot of dragons lot sex is a lot of rape. There is a red wedding. Well can you say talk show. I have ruined the red wedding for multiple having never seen the red wedding and everyone's favorite character days like Get killed one. Family kills entire other family. And it's like a big turn twists. No one saw it coming and they got really mad about it and they film themselves watching and they put it on you. You did see it coming everyone because people would read the books. I read wedding in the book that became like the Fan. Dan Vernacular for it. The red is because the blood and it's at a wedding. The wedding is because of the wedding. It really buddy. Yeah it's pretty horrific. Everybody dies they kill everybody's favorite character. They they kill everyone in the whole show dies and the rest of the show has no one in it. That's the whole time to you. That's more than any shows ever do. It comes back to life. That's one of the two Dallas mood. That's what I'm saying compared to most of the time Dallas numbers but the city. Not The show. They were very white and everyone has more money than they'll string. Hamburgers the cowboys. Yeah yeah that was cool. I also had been the Ne- new about the narrow telegraphed it for forty six leading up sitting surrender. Rainer getting excited. I didn't know that was a game of thrones thing some big thing about who who is the actual king or queen who who your allegiances to and then the need. Because that's you showing your legions. He taught you dabbed and now. Are you protesting the national anthem. Protest thrones and Penn State University absolutely. It's bad things we'll take him down onto. After we take down to Penn State for no reason not to back off my heart. I know about statue of both of in some guy probably went there. Yeah I I like forty thousand students. Yeah they did. Yeah but I think he. Kind of nail game of thrones you got the tone Jon. Snow is the way this whole thing happens or Jon. Snow the whole shows Khanna Idiot. Everything sort of happens around him and he's he becomes you know gets powerful and everyone likes because he's sort of charismatic. But an idiot this I like I was like I'm 'cause I don't want to spoil my lack of knowledge college by like looking anything before I wrote this and then I was just like Google image. Search in game of thrones afterwards like a genius and I'm like there's no discernible inaudible anything about this show based on the images. That's why I had a hard time remembering which character was which everyone in my head would be a funny little action or something that they had done it would be like oh fighting man from warm places. I had to do the but I just because I'm not good at paying attention to stuff like this. I think it's because there aren't any signature things that happened to show putting it on blast. It's all the same day the most popular show ever it is it is. It is if you're going by like what is while it was on. It was the most popular you know what I mean. It took over like that breaking breaking bad of this is the thing that everyone kind of talks about friends levels. I put four. Yeah it is hey so like a rainbow guys like I don't think that should be the justification for this class interest absolutely no walls or take element you school at Penn State and I talked about a physical edge. Okay don't talk about it actually. That was the problem was not talking about about the physical education. I am the most like not not edgy. But I have a lot of X.. Rated stuff that I try to censor myself level stuff anti levels to take. It's like but I feel like I'm usually like the tried to be like the Nice nerd. We're we're going at it today. Guys we are getting the pedophile. People that we've got to soften up on these. They've added to could hurt long golf course at the jail. He's add the dead did he kill himself is he. Yeah he's dead. Hopes Paternal Dead Sandusky died before he got in trouble. He took easily so bad worst worse than I like. Obviously I'm obsessed with every pedophile. Who ever lived and whatever but for some reason the like Jerry? Sandusky Steve Pool with the children's instrument tiny little highlight didn't pay attention to their schick. So I'm like Oh this is sports and that's it's like guys stuff a lot of value stuff but no it's such a good one. He called up the news live to try to make himself all sound innocent and he just basically it was like a classic. Defend yourself so you should not represent situation. Yes God how fun would it be. I mean a tragedy. All are going to be a fly on the wall in Jerry Sandusky lawyer's office when he did that interview can you imagine yeah just like Bo Jack Horsemen No. I don't watch Bo yee coarsened uh-huh well there's an episode where something some tra- school shooting something happens and they keep talking about how it's GonNa Affect their production everything because they're making taking a show called like school shooting. I don't know like a mall shooting movie and the like. Do you think this mall shooting will affect our mall shooting movie but every time before they say something like okay thoughts and prayers thoughts. I wanted to make the most money. That's good remember at the Heather's yeah. I guess we can't put the show 'cause school shootings happening. It's like there is no good movie. Get Cancer I know him I say is it friend. Bud fucking as oprah cancel. The News shocked because Jerry Sandusky movie. He'll be here in like ten minutes. He said he was shooting iphone. Was this little shooting shooting movie. No it was about hunting people down like trump supporters. And it was like I remember your talk. There was like El Paso one of the many's every every week what's crazy is you can't remember what shooting that's not a joke. I have no idea which speaks to what's happening. But I think it's like trump tweeted something and then the studios cowards and now never kill that onto the not. The reality shows the president. Okay Eric those got some guy. The Guy who's really funny online definitely take about you know Caleb signing comedian OJ Simpson got back on twitter and was just putting video. Video tweeted something. He was like a he goes guys this OJ. Due to Larry on twitter but do not Google really really hilarious on twitter and today trump called Mike Bloomberg many mike be which is ram. It was more letters than Bloomberg. He's not efficient limited character. A really bad bully so funny. He's literally the funniest person alive. That's the problem. Ah One. J trump the pros tradition. And I agree with that. Keeps coming up because I hate his solve. The anti kids are in on this hour. Getting you know so little about what it is. I suppose I'm sure it's diaper. I know the fact that you all repeat this again. The fact you keep stressing that you don't know what it is is like a nerd friends in my head is circles in my group chats type photo it can't safari can't open the page star Burns in won't let me. How how? How is that different than enemy? Always horny remember when I said drag porn to reel movies. As hint to enemy we got it died. Five years old figured Out Proud and now I can go to my friend sleepover and be inert. I guarantee you what's happening at your friends. If they're having a sleep Harrisburg calling it That's good. That's good. The Sandusky sleepover. I'll man I don't know how long this has been going. I don't know what's been happening over. Three Hundred Circle Hem. We've done the script ask all we got. We got some some games. We're GONNA play here and one of the game that we play. It's called build the perfect movie. Hold on I gotta get that theme song I know I am I. I know what the Pur- me is. This is going to be. I think you just wrote it. Just vote in that. Can make a game of thrones for sure. I bet they will take ten years. Here's for what they are doing is they're making Lord of the rings the TV show now wasn't that game of thrones Amazon and it's the most expensive TV show it is the same. It's all the same I watched the Lord of the rings movies. Barco saying Lord of the Rings. Oh Yeah yes I I. Yeah Yea Lord of the Rings Heart and They I it's so great they don't make any sense. No thrones so long they get to flush out so much stuff ray and then you watched. Lord of the rings in their cramming like five thousand pages of books into nine hours is a lot of time but for thousands of pages. And you're just like well. WHO's that guy? He's just been over here and he's just like I'll kill him and you don't know who you are and then he's like I have the sword like where'd you get the sore. What's it for? Is it a ring. It's so wedding. There's not a red winning any of them. There's a game of thrones exclusive in shape. So what's what's the Whitewater classic removing tell you all about it actually getting married But it rains. That's an ironic wedding. Wow that was is that that. was that copy really. Did Not the wind out of me. I was so it was. It was so quick. He's okay he's a good community is the Ossa I went. I went there. He goes all right. So this is is build perfect movie. It's you guys will be competing against each other. Oh Shit over gas bids. Let's go to do is you will. I will give you a category three. You'll have to pick two movies from that. Category whose rotten tomatoes score adds up to one hundred close to one hundred percent without going over prices right rules. So you're going to movies. Here's an example. If I said the category was Robin Williams movie and you picked. RV and happy feet. RV Is twenty four percent rotten tomatoes. Happy feet is seventy six percent. That's a perfect movie. It's not as perfect MRS doubtfire but it is by the game standards that as a society I thought you were going to have to build a perfect movie and I was just going to be like okay. If he isn't a marvel movie I didn't say anything earlier on. It really is not a marginal I did. I just forgot to do it. I do want just tattooed on my arm. Explain this over. The you'd you'd do this. Oh Hell yeah well. I don't know what's cool forever. It looks awesome. I wanted to know if you guys aren't saying she's doing crunches during the podcast. Now my my rock-hard come gutters. Certainly we also. We had a lot of script to get to do this. We we did talk about it but we we are you holding the MIC like singer. Who is staying the same? Billy idol moved to so we really glazed over grazed over glazed over both either either voice work for Turkeys and come gutters come gutters. That is moved figure. I'd never heard this very correctly. Yeah I know what those are. Why would you on your own stomach? That doesn't make any sense. No it's not a it's it leads to where the come is gonNA come from. Oh Okay Yeah it works. It works for the red wedding because gut her palm the red wedding over here talk about come come gut her character. How do they don't have any stab at lunch in her movie magic and they just kill her? And then the babe detours that. A game of thrones thing where the baby dragon would live through. Yeah she I'll do it. Yeah they just WanNa make sure they want to really make sure they kill baby. Fine Air to win the game of thrones. This sounds fucking bore. I figured I figured out. anti-han game of thrones in one hour. This is a a big deal with their own identity shirt. If you've ever made it better it's one of those things where people are like. Oh it's hard to make fun. Have trump because he's already like a joke. It's like how do you make a porn out of something. That's already a game of thrones but it literally is them saying it's this is the actual scene from game of thrones and it's pretty great I want to date not dated a girl who asked to come on the podcast. Talk about this. You'd have some virgin. I've been on dates. Put It on wax. Where do you think makes you not a virgin? Attending a date with someone to I've been to the meatball shop in Brooklyn but she was a part of a donald trump porn so they do exist the way I did. Maybe the world and she's also had nothing to do with the tape. Yeah I was at a p tapes through what was it or was it. That trump was one of the people in it Whole trump first comes love it and then it was two weeks before the election? The show did not hold up. It was really fun to do October. Twenty eight make fun of this guy who will go away fifteen days for he still. He'll still kicking. Game of thrones that trump was gonna win because two days before the election I was doing a roast of trump. Show it it. Just the general like energy of a coming from the the radiating from the core of the planet was like. Oh this this guy is winning. Kinda knew he was going to win. Because I'd met anyone I grew up with those people care more about voting than anyone. I know it's it's kinda would a lot more cares about voting. Now we're all in. Yeah she's born two Buttons Bernie Buttons Gabriel. Just like they're getting quiet it and then saying these voting so much. I vote two or three times every election. I'm such a big voting guy although to St Ivo I got my grandma's dead I got her thing I've over. You WanNa ride dorkiest brag of all time getting email today. That's like congratulations there. You you are in the one hundred club. I knocked on the seventh person in Los Angeles who knocked on the doors as we burn. That's amazing one hundred hundred as we can hundred club as when it's for like volunteer. It's like it's like a gold star incentive for volunteers. It's like you cannot one hundred doors as weekend and like I did like like hundred twenty-five and now I'm on this list of like does it count if it's doorbell or does it have to be non. I don't Wanna I can't even touch. That's the door legally could that their property had to knock knock bits. Get it legally. You can do anything you can literally go. You could literally break into someone's house basically guess what legally so you can. Do you heard it here. First People Talk Yeah Club. And what is the legality is illegal. You can walk into someone's house. He's the people have like crazy especially in like scary spooky Los Angeles wherever it has those stickers. They're like smiling. You're on camera fucking recycle rich people and everyone has gentrification gates and stuff you can go into today what is what I said to gentrify Eh. Actually sell it to you really quick. I know a lot of words. Sound like other words snap. Unfortunately the problem. I do love those gentrification allegation gates for you and a neighborhood where clearly you can see the house there. Someone just renovated a house on my street and glass L. Park Gut gutted and rebuilt and now the gate is eight feet tall. And it's a bit of cement and then four foot of would do you not like the Sun. Do you hate poor people poor people so much. You don't like the Sun you don't want we are not going to be voting for Bernie. That's even skip that house. They're always warren houses. Do you say we'll so might Warren Peace Sir. I want this podcast but who who is a young guy running for mayor of the myself into this podcast but is that my friend Bernie Mac. Yeah Hashtag Gang Gang. So that's going to get us on a list list wondering who will. Who would I think of all the candidates that is who because we talk about when we were with Moshe earlier in that episode? Can we talk about rookie. Jason based on like. Well someone's GonNa. He probably has a podcast voice alert for himself but I think more than anyone Yang Gang will be. Oh we heard it on and they will find it. Oh absolutely they have have like a little audience that all he does give money to people in listens for his name right. He's Gholam name rhymes with gang. So that's good. It's easier to someone yesterday. I when I devoted put online. I'll vote for whoever anyone wants. Only people who actually applied to me were telling me there earnestly like well then you should go for Andrew Yang over wherever you want. And we'll for Indian thousand bucks right there. All the like Dipaolo. Teenagers on twitter are like Yang Yang. It is such an interesting testing subset of a group of people. Yeah it's like troll culture culture culture now you're just setting me up. Unfortunately fortunately at that point that that one was too slow. I it's because I had young guys are planning gained right now. The caffeinated up truly I don't I hope the election happens eventually. That'd be nice to get it out of here. Let's get out of the way. Get that Guy Outta here anybody else but I mean we all talk about I will vote for whoever pays me the most gang gangs only only guy everybody a thousand bucks all right your name. If you pay me fifty dollars I when I was in college college I jokingly said I was like all right what I'm GonNa do is order. It was it was the first time I voted for Obama. Sage I was at right. No I'm not brock Iraq. Sorry me as a kid jerry. The weed smoker right because isn't pictures online of her like smoky. Smoky joins illegal generally the same people in a small government to not impose. Anything also hated her for smoking illegal. We'd it's almost like there's some unifying different thing about worms in their told. Cacolo told these people that I worked with what I'm GonNa do is just order A McCain an Obama bumper sticker because they're online and whoever shows up I I'll vote for them and someone I worked worked with overnight at me and McCain. I'm not gonNA vote for him because I hate him. And because that's a weird shading you did and I don't want to have anything in common. I'm with you there. So those guys guys. They know what they're doing. Lift your arms above your head adds a good a good. I know you think they would have a hard time. They would try and find the vote and they would just crash and burn in a field somewhere dude I love we got to the McCain roast. It took a while took a bit. We got there. That's what matters man. That's what we doing best movie podcast. The movie we were deeper talking about Aquaman my argument is too awkward. Is the best movie in the water. Okay coming down there are you. Is that all the cameras. We should have broke because the Electricity Little Mermaid gave me. But it's it's not sure no no you you you filled out the podium. We're giving out the medals. Aquaman woman is giving us a lot and we're not appreciating it. I haven't seen it. I've seen it. You're not appreciate under fucking water the whole time. Go see the water underrated. That's my tattoo says take you. There is a really funny thing and everything we talked about this. Before the poster where the Post Rochman Jason Mo and then all these sharks around him underwater and someone once again. We're talking about like the people who think they found the detail and they're smart for someone online was like this sharks in that poster are all from stock images riches of sharks and whoever made graphic designer for whatever fucking warner brothers like yeah. We didn't hire sharks like someone else like someone thought they got him there like the graphic designers. You know photo shop. And he's like you idiot. I think we we had Jason memo jump under and with all these sharks and look at the camera and say all his lines underwater and I just watched augmon choke once this. I can't even take bath with my toaster without choking eyewash Irishman and I I can say that Robert Deniro wasn't twenty years old and forty years old. I can see that was the worst movie I've seen all year. I cannot believe that career todd is. What's what's diehard twice and the Irish boy I saw? I had the unique privilege of seeing cats and then watching the Irishman and I thought cats I was just better. The puck into the effects were veteran. Cats and cats is bad it is good. We'll see here's so bad are the better or was the expectations expectations different. Because you don't the cat people aren't real ever neither is what happened. That's why you can tell because you have a comparison to make it to. Here's my thing about that. I couldn't tell you what H he wasn't any point that movie young he was supposed to be also. There's a part in that movie where he goes the beat up like a grocer any like throw them out on the street and like tries to kick him in. It is like almost. I don't know how familiar with the Olsen twins but I believe rather for sale music video. They fake kick their little brother. Like that's the level of performance. It was going on there was like I saw performance t-shirt they don't have to superimpose Nielsen twins. There's two of them so they don't have to worry about doing twenty years younger shoulders and put them in one coat supposed to we like twenty years old. And you see 'em like getting up twenty eight hundred fifty the whole time. I haven't seen it so I the Jack Irishman good having a podcast. So I haven't seen it. I don't know why they didn't just cast other people is this. The back is on Mike Anymore. I'll watch it. You know what I don't waste any other good movies as you can watch it on. The guy next to me is ipad on the plane. You didn't have captioning on but it looked good. Yeah that's the best way to watch that movie probably know icon and I appreciate that from that. But that's not what he was doing when you're making better than it is and that's awesome. Yeah that's a lower case. L I thought it was a capital I thought it was a Pacino. This whole time he was a great takeaway. I'm trying to get to the Robin Williams was amazing. What are we talking about? Oh what movie same you WanNa win. I'm the one hundred club winning okay. I'm very bad these games. So here's what you don't know any movies I'll give you category. You have to pick two movies from that. Category two movies rotten tomatoes as close to one hundred going over seven. Four twenty six. We're good so the key and you'll go one each then review the scores. So you'll know what you're going then you'll know what you've got to next so todd you will i. I'm a week tens I leave the room losers here. It is literally dark out there. I don't know if it's going to five pm through the one tiny ninety four. We're allowed to learn to summarize. Amy knows that you're having fun. Winner has to leave the room. You can tell even talking about how much fun we're having a good sleepover. Classic trump move genius stupid. ooh I've been. I've been trying to have a sleepover with eight of my friends. We're in a bad movie club and I after each time like. Let's fucking keep hanging on a slumber party and they'll have girlfriends and like wives like after what he wants to do it. You Watch a movie with your friends you throw at them in the moment. Stay at my house for fifteen hours. Here's the deal. It's always a different persons house I've never over at. Eric Never never suggested Jessica I house. It's all someone else's house todd sleep over there like no one. You're pushing your sleeping bag. You tell all your friends. You don't have a car. The civil sleepover in my car hanging out to the seats reclined. It's the back you'll love it. Yes all right so two movies add up to one hundred closest hundred without going over CANCO overpriced rival. Pr Prices Right rule It's like an advanced stat. The Long Island Railroad. Sorry the La are sorry to bring it up into eight three nine hundred trainer Ronkonkoma. Oh yes that. That was Sometimes I would have to go somewhere on the long island railroad and I would go to Penn station and then sit around for a little bit and go home. I don't know how this works. Do not digital title and there's people hiding by the little. TV's because they know the better time to get on. I'm like stop knowing the secret. It's way right so you guys are GonNa try and build the perfect nineties movie. Oh this this is unfair so the only thing I am now okay. So it's got to get out. How far is your pocket doc? It's getting hot topic. I liked it. We're like todd will todd. We'll finally reindeer you to the crowd I'm fucking pedophile. The dog on the coral one fan for on and called me out for being a Dick head and I was being a decade. And now now we're GONNA love Todd Todd because he's everyone's favorite thing kilometers. I don't know that's the way to do it. So here's gain from the gang fuck. Yeah that's the new thing so we're played socks for every game. A lot of them so okay so two movies stories from the nineties. Todd what do you want your first movie to be as close to one hundred you can with al.. I'M GONNA go because we were talking about earlier. I'M GONNA go with an Arabi Perfect Tommy boy and I'm sure critics agree with you more. About how good Tommy. Boy was a studio comedy. Yeah notoriously uproariously very well. He's movie lawnmower. Man Never seen a lot more now. Good Work I've never heard of one Merman. Too She way think is the more popular one right cause people to Writer or John Dear Abby. Okay so I don't why can't we have. You seen the Matrix me. Then you've you basically long movie that naturally you progress to after law Norman Matrix okay. Todd Tommy boy forty two percent on rotten tomatoes. So you're going to try and talk without going over Sarah lawnmower man thirty five five percents sixty five to go first tournament. That's crazy. That movie got into the Cultural Lexicon through word of mouth. Then I guess I thought that was a mouth on that ludicrous. Chicken holiday yard line with dirty bird. Kick okay fifty eight rotten tomatoes from the nineties. I am going to go with the black sheep definitely got worse. I'm GONNA go with. That's a tough. That's like a real down. The middle fifty eight is hard. I'M GONNA go with conair. Oh I know the guy directed. It's my friend's Dad. Yeah no way. Yes podcast ever. Having his daughter's cool craft. We'll start with Siamese I have. What did you say? Sixteen is Thirty five so we're looking for sixty five. When did loss highway come out now? That's ninety ninety seven. I'm guessing that is ninety seven. I'M GONNA say loss highway highway. Okay David Lynch usually not very popular with critics. So what so it so here. We go thirty five percent. LAWNMOWER man lost highway sixty percent by I five so tommy boy forty two percent Yup which is wrong conair fifty five percent ninety seven percents. Oh take that injury Yang. We don't need your thousand dollars. They have asked me. The best. Anybody's done Chris here. That's crazy. Please introduce me to sign in West first right well. We're doing it on that one so well I WANNA make sure it ends on more of in the next category is movies about lawn stuff. All right here's what it is the second time you've got to build the perfect movie with the tagline. Oh nope the movie's tagline tag lines like in the title like okay. Let part of the Tokyo drift. Yes electrical right. Maybe it's like something that people don't normally only say. This will look how I wrote. It was movies at the tagline. But they don't have to be a tagline people. Say but you kind of know what. I'm saying Matrix reloaded. Not a tagline. People don't call all that Matrix. Two reloaded you're saying. Yeah fast and furious. Tokyo drift tagline bad example. Because it kind of isn't Herbie Irby to fully loaded would be more have no examples that Birdman Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. That look all blurred blowing in it. Yeah all blurt Tokyo drift. That's a great movie star Star Wars a new hope the rise of skype. I gotTa Lotta. None of them are just. Give me fucking two movies. And who's going to work with diehard to die harder which is also going to be horribly mistreated online tomatoes. Is that actually the title. Oh yeah and they got a real big fun to show. It's not it is great title movie if you're ten years old. He should've just been called die harder. That would have been ideal. What if people didn't see the first one right? They're not gonNA figure that one out they would have thought someone named harder was about two. We is it now. You see me in the second leg now. You know it's not and we've you've got an argument on this podcast about how that could have been the best sequel title of all time if it was called. Now you don't see me too. There's no tagline fuck down and it's not even that would have been great with some cree. Yeah I let I let twitter gets my brain. Your emotions take over the all sought having a second ago. Oh I literally. Can't I live at now. You see me to the top video now you see me to magic scene The troll to have a weird name. Now it's just troll to troll to roll to does not have weird name but there might be a girl movie that also troll to isn't isn't necessarily an actual sequel to troll is kind of a tagline count that you want to let me go. I will troll to throw me a bone. That's actually the tech die hard to sixty eight percent. Wow Sixty eight percents. You're looking for thirty two. I'm GonNa this is not going to get me to ninety but I now that we're talking about troll role to understand that family six six percent six percent milk. That's impressive I didn't uneven is three milks. We mean there's two percent milk. Oh Harvey Milk to give that a two percent just to be ironic milk. They gave it pretty well. Well I really through I really am. I want so you're looking for I. You got a higher number you looking for ninety four percent. I'm going to stay in the good bad movie territory. I'M GONNA to go with silent night deadly night to deadliest night deadly night yes island night deadly night to does not. It's just that. Yeah you fucking cheese wait no no no. I'm changing my thing was. I'm sixty eight because he doesn't have enough reviews to be unwritten tomato mistake a horrible. Does your blog funded by Andrea tag. Is Better Watch out what I need. I want thirty. Two percent is what I'm looking four year. Let's go with one of those like Sandler movies. Let's go with a fifty first dates it seriously. Let's go with what is Not Chat what is the electric Biglou. Now it's like the dancing movie something to not stomping break into break into electric vehicles electric. I'm over I'm GONNA go over one hundred. There's no way that was that thirty percents. You'RE GONNA win by default. Though isn't the second Friday the thirteenth movie a weird name. Oh my God. That's so good. All of them except for the first one two three four is the is the like it. Doesn't it just Friday. The thirteenth four is when you have a not an jason goes to hell. Jason Takes Manhattan isn't Freddie versus Jason. Does that whoever wins really really good movie here. Yeah I know Schindler's List again. Schindler's reminders. Fifth Friday that there are the fifth Freddie movie had good reviews. Didn't give me an hour nightmare. The fifth threat recently charts parts three minutes. Three Freddie's dead pre Freddie's dad neighbor knows right. Okay Yeah Gimme that one if you tell talk just said. I think it's the one where it gets. It should interviews with very inventive movie. And I'm not even a big all right right. I don't like wow what's new nightmare. Wes Craven's new nightmare. So we're at two percent or six percent six percent and this one's wes craven's new nightmare. Eighty eighty percent earned. Good movie like an interesting movie. So we're looking at eighty six percent. I love the first one is ahead of its time. Sixty eight percent die hard to break into electric blue twenty nine percent. What's a ninety seven percent? How are you so good at making eighteen ninety seven percents? That's incredible. That's like a reverse Bernie thing. I'm like the one percent now or I'm the nine percent hang twenty twenty money. That was really good man. We're going to get out of here on one last game. This game is called guests movie caused as having only watch movie trailers. Never I love this movie. Kyle's described camping building wash. Never turn so these two musicians tyler. Boyd and Aaron Lee came over Mousa and if they we talked about the games and they like podcast and we and they it's fucking jammed Howard made theme song for every game. I mean every game we got to get ready to the four jingles. Hit me up and I'll put you in contact with. And they love love making all jingles and stuff. They're both really great musicians. And and and they do stuff as well for jingles. Good okay so. This is guessing. Movie caused mainly mutual movie. How it works is my dad commute trailer? He describes what's happening. We're GONNA listen to that description and then you guess what it is and you win. This one's worth thirty points. The first two games are only worth one point each winner-takes-all love it okay. So she finally made it the dream place. Oh she can't believe she's there. He's got a gun ambuhl before she can get out of the car. It looks like another car. Hits them people. People are talking on the phone. The girl is still missing will be just like in. The movies says a movie. They're in a bizarre place. She doesn't know where she was going. Blue Lights rides red lights unfinished rooms. Everyone seems to have a secret. Everyone is whispering people. People freaking out people to calm the day is getting stranger. I say that was like we should reverse engineer and make that movie. That's that was beautiful. This is break into electric. It was that Mahone Drive Mulholland drive. No I was going to say it's the Sandra bullock movie really gets hit by the bus or whatever movies movies that mean girls. Brad Pitt. Getting hit by a car and Mitchell. Look this up Sandra bullock gets hit. While you're sleeping yes yes he Harry connick junior house where she got hit by the bus not the blindside. That's good call. Sleeping is a weird thing to revisit because that is like I I won't say that she's stocker reverse she's in a coma an-and guy questionable stuff on the podcast Shane Green. So you're saying Donna was so right about Mulholland drive. That was very impressive. She's she's in the dream play. Yeah fitting with lost highway. We're what a great David Lynch. wrote them with Sandusky Yang. Gang like this is exactly where he wants my rush right there. Yes all right sir. Thanks for coming. In game of thrones. Thanks coming in with us again. I'll yes sir anything you want to plug tell people going on and stuff scout. What first week in February? Oh I have a show at If you live in Los Angeles Come to Zab Yon on February fourteenth. We're doing a Bernie fundraiser day. Valentine's cool that's pretty cool in then. Yeah that's basically all. I have basically fours. That's a month from now. Thank you thanks for coming. 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Episode 191 - Agile Game of Thrones

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Episode 191 - Agile Game of Thrones

"Okay welcome to medicare. i'm jay moore. Have you ever thought josh protective utah. Scary puppies. The game of thrones overtook media and entertainment. A few years ago and now it's overtaking the medical test albeit a little late but baba's pulled out some very interesting quotes. That were how do can they apply the agile. Let's dig in and find out so it's twenty. Twenty one game of thrones and did a couple of years ago ripple years ago but we're bringing it back. Yeah we're bringing it back. So bob has article that he wrote not too long ago. Where the agile game of thrones late comer. Oh yeah see. I didn't watch the series when it was. Oh you didn't track. It live what i did. It was weird. This is a weird. This is insight into weird bob. Ism i bought bought the cds every year. And i saved them. I didn't watch them. You mean the dvd's the defense sort boy. I'm like i'm digging a hole right now. This is great I put the dvd's every year like the compilation at the end of the season. And i put it on the shelf. Okay and i kept them and i'm like hardcore fantasy so this was in my sweet spot and i read the books. Yeah and really. Yeah so so so good. I was waiting for time waiting for time so when the when covid initially hit it was my wife and i got out the dvd's and we went just went through. What is it called a binge been so. This was a planned binge over years landing year. And i didn't know when i knew there would be a time. And it was. After the after after final season it was about six months after the the brew. Whatever in covert alignment and we watched it. And i freak in loved emmy we binge watched it and it is cold then afterwards. I just love some of the expressions right. So then i wrote this. I didn't i aligned some of the key expressions from the okay. So if you've not watch. Game of thrones hit the pause button and go do the elliott. Yeah it's gonna take a while ago. Maybe hit the stop button. Yeah ause button get tired it is. It is awesome. Yeah i mean we acted actors. I'm binge-watching stuff now on netflix. Right the quality of game of thrones was outstanding. Yeah so definitely. Its shoulders above most things i. It's died in. Yes so number one. The number one these are quotes right or close up. These are quotes or sayings it themselves. Okay so a lancaster. So one of the families in the book is the lancasters. They were the eagles. Family is always pays their debts. And what do you think the agile since and the always piece her debts is if you piss me off i kill you or something like that. Remember or if. I tell you like i'll actually pay you correct but right yes i get. There was always. There was more indebted related to that. I owe you. You did something against me now. i owe you. Yeah agree so agile. What do you think to me. it's almost like the opposite of debt so like lancaster's our technical debt like if you don't pay me if you don't take care of me i will come back and i will bite you in the bud and you will hate the decisions that you made a long time ago. I go with technically. I don't know what i said in the blog. Post whatever. But i i like the technical debt thing or if you don't pay for quality right in general like if you do if you shove a date down the teams throat and make them deliver something earlier than than they want to then they can even and they can do crap. The debts always come back to haunt right. So if you don't do it. Air quotes right is gonna come back and haunt you and it will be more painful and if you had done right the first time well we we've been talking about. It's not just like technical. Debt is a tactical thing but investing and scrum masters or product. Owners would be something if you're cheap about that or if you organizationally. Don't train your managers in and help them make this shift towards servant leaders. It's gonna come back to haunt you. There's actually a lot of stuff agile. You don't do it right correct. Well it comes back to haunt you and stores were like that ankle. What's an excellent number. Two winter is coming. Remember that that inter is so. There's this tremendous threat and his name. That the main characters jon snow and his family yes up in the north and they were defending against the white walkers and things like that there was a large wall up there and they kept they kept talking about. Winter is coming whatever's coming. There was the threat of the winter. The white walkers coming down bringing that agile that translates to plays off very well with the lancaster. Pay their debt of like that. Winter is coming so make sure you're doing the things right. Another thing that i think helps with that is make. Sure your backlogs ever find. You have healthy planning horizon. You have all those things. So that you can see where i was going i was going with backlog refinement. Look ahead yeah. I was thinking of effective. Look ahead. I don't know if that's a technical debt thing it's it's it is related to that to the first one but i think this is more of a you know like like. Are you tidying up. The future is out there. And don't if you ignore it it's going to hit you in the head and it's gonna you are and it's gonna hit you hard so you have to tidy to the future. So that's architectural runway. That's you x runway. That's a backlog refinement. Road mapping. yeah we talked about. Road mapping and in a recent cast right so that's a really tidy that up it was very foreboding and i liked the foreboding nature of like winter is coming. I mean whenever they said that quote in the series it was sort of key. You know yeah you get your weapons. Because we're we're we don't prepare. We're gonna die. Ominous nature is is that thing that should be in the back of your head of that constant paranoia of we gotta be ready exotic and as soon as you let down your guard exactly. Then something happens and you're going to be calling heels and you've got to now re plan or re forecast or do like three days of backlog refinement who knows what right so just always have that paranoia in in the back of your head some things some things. Something bad's going to happen. Let's make sure that we're ready right and have nothing bad happens google. You're in good shape. This wouldn't made me smile and think of you so everything before the word but is horse shit. So you've gotten my case. Yeah you know. Like i. But i'm not really picking on you john. That is one of my favorite bob. 'isms right yes so when i when i saw this i'm like. Oh yeah so this. Hit me between the eyes in. It's like to and i. I so used to talking this way that it's really hard for me to win it. But this reminds me of that bob ism that i have which i'm not really picking up. Yeah so so classic. Bob ism whether he's working with me or he's working with a team or something like that is he will say something and then followed up with. But i'm not picking. I'm not wait a minute. No yeah yeah yeah. Yes but be thoughtful of that and it's hard because habits are hard and you try and be nice but there's times where you don't need to be nice you need to just state the facts inherited defects and knock close over and say it's not just don't say if it's good if it's bad say it don't don't mix indoor qualify like that's what happens. Is that you. There's hard hitting info that that that is of value and then you start to disqualify some of the value of it by like saying well but no no no no no like just kind of let it be led to have its full power and full strength next one. I like this one. This goes which erection chaos isn't a. It's a ladder and the reason why i like. This is so much of my career has has been that exact same thing where there was some sort of chaos. There was some lack of process lack of whatever and then coming out of that helping sort through that and get the team running more smoothly more effectively right. That became a ladder for me to grow in my career and trying and do at a larger scale so when you view the world like that then that chaos is an opportunity of okay cool. There's there's a place for me to step in and help make a difference as to luli. I mean this is. I consider one of my super powers to be settled in in the midst of chaos. Right flustered. I may get flustered. But i don't show it. And i don't i really am on the outward very very sorta flat and people that resonates with folks because it doesn't help me as a leader to be care saying he chaos with chaos. So it's it's sort of by doing. That reminds me of that. So i resonate with that that it's be settled and then just and i like the quote. It's just it's a ladder. Just climbed the ladder. Out of the chaos. The other thing here. I think is embraced the chaos. I think. Sometimes we're looking for. There's almost like an anti pattern. Where you're looking for calmness or something like the plan little project managers they think. Well we have the perfect plan all do the plan and and they they try to predict this like really same flowed world. And i've i've never seen a plan operate that way. But they continue to go back and try to do that and repeat that repeat. I'd much rather just embrace it chaotic chaotic. Yeah that that that that little bit of chaos is the reality so getting comfortable with it helps you being able to climb out of it but if you're paranoid of the chaos and don't know how to handle it then when reality strikes your trouble so getting those multiple at bats that he asked really helps you create a ladder climb out of it co next one. Yup the freedom up. Put these two together to quotes. It's sort of. I think are in related. The freedom to make my own mistakes was all i ever wanted. There was a lot of protectionism in the game of thrones. If you remember with the kids the young kids tried to prevent them from and they couldn't right there. There was so much chaos going on that they had to learn the hard way or they had to be separated from their families or their parents got killed so no matter what and then i failed another quotas. I failed good. Now go fail again. I think this was related to like warfare and practice. I like sword. Play right and things like that. Yes you kick my ass with a sword. Good i'm not gonna stop. I'm going to just keep practicing and keep practicing and keep getting better so that relentlessness As part of it do you think how do you think that relates to agile. What do you think there's there's this delicate dance. That teams had teams. I've led have had with failure and being comfortable with failure and using it to propel yourself. Forward is a superpower as i believe but that's really hard to do. It's easy to say like. Hey let's be comfortable with failure and fail and learn a lot of people say that but they never actually get better they just keep failing at the same thing and that's allowed to happen which ultimately leads to the larger failure. People lose jobs. Products fail companies. Fail all those things so it's being able to get comfortable with failure but not like love it you know so having it drive you to get better relentlessly right. Is that key otherwise you just keep doing it over and over. I'm going back. To game of thrones at a lot of time to failure. There there was like life influencing moments so it wasn't a piece of software. It was if i fail. It might continue to fail. I'm going to go into battle and get my head chopped off right so i have to write. I'm going to fail. But i have to relentlessly pursue getting better continue. I mean it gave continuous improvement. Another another level of impact right. Well as either you continue or you don't right so in in that context. I think like taking it seriously so experimentation. Yes we're going to experiment. Yes we're going to learn but there's a seriousness to it right. There's an intention to. There's an intention of learning and improving right. Welcome to our diversity and inclusion minutes. I'm josh anderson. i'm bob gale and well. That was more enthusiasm than i expected. I know it was a little over the top. And i hurt. My mouth is a result of medicare so enough of that Let me go i. Yeah so i was. So i was counting how much i get. This is more of a year in review. And and i. I'm not i don't know if this is good or bad but last year. Remember that a group that young that group in nigeria in lagos it supports young girls who are doing training that we talked about before i gave twenty five hundred dollars last year to them which was a prophet share from my cow classes and so i was calculated. I felt good to me. I'm not putting it up on a pedestal. It could have been more. But i thought i was like. Yeah that's not bad and that's so it's not chickenfeed and we're still. I'm still inviting people. So i have a cow class next week. I think three people are people color. I actually had the class before. That was someone someone gave me a diversity kudo in linked in. Why i was really meant something to yeah. It was a young black woman coach or something that i sort of know really lightly but she came in and took a picture like host a picture of the class and she's like that looks like a really diverse class and i was like i was like yeah and that was intentional and i was. I was feeling really good about it. So the classes are working out and i continued to put weight that i'm really happy about them. But you that's fantastic. So the first thing that i wanna do is if you're new to our podcast and you're wondering what in the world bob and josh do and hit the pause button in the middle of the episode at some point last year. We decided that it was important enough to to us to to do something about all the racial injustice social injustice stuff. That's going on out there so we started looking at. What can we do. And we've created a bit of a platform with his podcast. Some of the things that we do so we decided that the most valuable ad space in podcast is called the mid roll. Which is where we're at. We're right in the middle ea- episode so we're using that to drive people to think about what you can do to help combat all of the issues. We have across the world and across our country. So that's why we're doing this. Bob has talked about the things he's done with the past year. We've worked with tigres people. I've started doing some more things and having to sit here in front of a microphone. Every week keeps that in front of my mind and thinking about. I'm not doing enough. And that's always what's in front of my mind is. I'm not doing enough. So the challenge for the listeners. Out there and the reason we do this is that you hit the pause button and you think about what can i do to help our country get better. What can i do to help. Humans get better. What can i do to help the world get better. You can do something right. I read real quick. Read something from ron jeffries. Who's who's famous in the agile space the xp basis morning just this morning and he talked about his wife diversity and i'm going to have a reaction to it publicly or whatever to him or both and it was a wonderful article but he was talking about awareness of it and so many casters. There's are we aware of our privilege fair of of how sort of blessed we are. But then there's the question of what are we doing from a diversity and inclusion perspective. So josh was talking about that. And ron didn't talk about the doing right in his heart. He's fine yeah but it was all about. I'm aware of it and my challenge to him is and what are you doing to change the dynamic and that's what we're about. What are we doing and trying to influence showing leading by example and doing whatever we can little things. Most of them are a little things. But we're not. We're not just talking about it and we want you to not just talk about it or listen to it. We want you to do something. Fantastic back to the episode or the next one. A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of a sheep so the lancasters every every family had had an animal that was associated with them and the latest ours. Where the lions they were the lions. Yeah and the people and they were royalty so they had you know subjects and they considered everyone outside the family sheep so this is a lancaster quote right not too often but more than once was this and talking about you know like the actions of leadership making leadership actions and not really giving a rat's ass french about how like the effect on people i. It's not it's it's our. We're we're the king right we're the royalty. So they're just are the people doesn't apply at. I think it has implications maybe to leadership mindset. it does and it's one of those burdens of leadership. That i think about in the next quote leans into that even more but there are times when hard decisions have to be made and you know not everyone will like it so this this goes way on the other side of that but there are times where you know what the right thing to do. Is you know with the right answer. Some portion of your team understands that. Maybe there's a large portion of your team. That doesn't understand that it's going to hate the decision. Hate the direction. Hate the idea but you know to your core. This is the right answer. So there's times where you kind of have to be the bad guy and say listen. We're gonna go this way. And here's why and it's on me. It's my decision. And here's the rationale behind it knowing that some portion of the team might not like it. That's that's hard but you have to be really need and go out front with that. So this a twist it so don't always. Yeah so. I mean i'm gonna use the sheep right but listen to the sheep care about the sheep but there are situations where you don't wanna over care about the sheep as a leader and being situational on how you do that. Sometimes that's the longer terms what you're talking about his short term. It may appear that you're not considering the massive but you really have their best injury ended heart. You're looking at the come from a company lens or from survival or something like that. You're not trying to sell people might not even have the time to sell everyone. The other part of that. I think is is you know. Do you try to convince everyone you try to get. You can't sometimes you can't get everyone on board you just get the majority or sort of you know the common majority onboard cool Next next quote the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. This came out of that snow. What was the other family on. My god black. No it was. Jon snow's family because the very beginning but they didn't have. That was listened last name. He snores was because he was dark star. Yeah so he was. He was a bastard. Yeah yeah so. It was the stark. So this came out of the remember the starks. This was in one of the early scenes. Where does the first chapter. The father was like i. You know someone did something and he pass judgment and he was going to be head them. So that's what that was a reference. Bring that to agile object so to me. This one in the previews when really mean similar things to me is. It's your responsibility and there are times where it sucks to be leader and to be a good leader. You have to be that person that delivers the bad message. So if the best thing for the team is to let someone go you need to be up. Fry unique to lead that you need to do that. Don't pass it off to. Hr don't let somebody else do it on your big girl and big boy pants and do the hard thing with that could even be like a hip or having a crucial conversation right. That you're avoiding. Yep so do i like what you said the heart step in and do the hard thing. We just eighty. Oh and we were talking about. Everyone is a leader now. So this from game of thrones perspective is hierarchical leadership right. it's talking about and we. It matters in organizations hierarchy gone. But how about if. I'm in a team like the man passes a sentence. What makes the decision and then swing the sword. Hold on it could be even a team member who makes a design decision right. So i'm i'm i'm trying to ask you well. It's a question. Do you see this quote in. Agile context not just being hierarchical leadership but does it. Does it apply to everyone on their team. In some way the lion doesn't concern himself with the the opinions of a sheep. So i'm a team member and i have to make a hard call on a design right or a team member and i. I'm trying to sell people and they don't get it and i have to. I have to take a step out on my own. And what a lot of the time when we talk about leadership. It's easy to jump to the manager the vp the director of the blah blah blah. But all of these things apply to being a leader within your team. What i'm looking for is a collection of leaders that can have these hard discussions with each other. That can make the hard calls that can work with their peers. Right them understand that. Hey when something bad happens. I'm going to stop and i'm gonna own it right because that happens if you always apply those things to somebody with some whatever title then your team's never gonna really become that high functioning highly efficient team because you're ultimately waiting for things to happen to you as opposed to getting out and leading your group together to victory exactly which goes into the next one. So could you take the next one. Because i want i want to take number ten. Oh you wanna take number ten okay Yeah so the next to last one that penultimate. I've always wanted to use that word appropriately. No no it. Just smoothly was nice some. Could you do that again. The what josh she. Penultimate quote obermeier agile gain. Of game of thrones episode. Is when you play. The game of thrones you win or you die. Ancho implications i up. Bring up one. I take seriously it's there's too much bullshit. Agile you know for whatever you know. I'm doing scrum. Or i'm not doing scrum. I have a scrum master. I don't i can't afford it. Master trust the team. Don't trust that he. There's and i'm not saying this from a do scrum. Come by the book. I think there's almost too much do it by the book sometimes and then ignore that but be seriously try. Try to be seriously agile. Maybe i'll couch it that way. If you're going to play the game of agile either you win like do it well or you lose or you die. You're saying is the only way to win is to do it. Well yeah and we've had episodes and episodes that where there's so much waffling in the world. Right there's so much you know excuses around and i'm not talking about perfectionism but but again. It's really embraced. The principles really trust the principles and it goes back to one of the previous ones with the word but about scrum but or one of those things where well we don't really do it this way and ultimately it's because it's hard and we don't want to put in the work to do it the right way the way it has been proven to work over and over again all right so so i need you to think about i just i personally resume with this last quote. Nothing fucks you harder than time. This is a gentleman. I forget his. I've read the name of him. He was like a mid level. Character was at various I think hump man. I think you're yes. But he was. He was on a bunch of episode as he weaved throughout and he was a bid and he had his little birds. They got him on the answers. Oh no no no. This is not that personnel bag. I know this is like a. He's bald not no bald with hair and decides he had a he was with the king who got stuck with the woman in red and he was the counselor to think one of the starks. Remember that woman the witch in red. Oh okay yeah. But he was the see the mercenary He was the mercenary guy. Okay and that was his quote. Okay and so. What do you think agile like. Bring it to me. Goes back to all of the other things of winter's coming time in winter to me. You're the same thing here okay. I it's it's happening to you. You can choose to let it happen to you or you can choose to do something about it. That that's how i interpret those. Why also think. I think there's a level of intensity to is what i'd like. I think sometimes we think that in in. I think this way. Because i've been doing this for so long so i think of my legacy a lot. You've heard talked about that. Sometimes i think people younger people think that they have so much time. And it's good to it's not picking on younger versus older but when you're younger i think you have the perception that there's plenty of time and part of this quote is you don't have we all don't one of the wisdom. One of the points of older wisdom is when you're looking back you're like holy crap. It went by really fast. You've heard from your your parents and it does. I think there's there's some kind of universal phenomenon so where we think. Oh i have thirty years. I have five years of scrum or years to do this or twenty years. Whatever it goes by in the blink of an eye. So don't waste your time. don't be intentional. Be intense be serious. Yes and and be intentional with your joy and celebration but time the you don't have infinite time. So we're gonna do this agile stuff and weaves through this consider you have a very precious come out called time and use it very very very well. How did you like that i. I can't follow it up so we're just going to get right to subscribe to our podcast. Ever you can review us you can. Most of our listeners are on apple so on apple the more reviews we get. Oh the highly rank. And i asked her something for this podcast. 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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 5, Ep #8: Hardhome

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 5, Ep #8: Hardhome

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You know, I don't know is that is that is that a such a wild tape that this is the single best half hour uninterrupted sequence of game of thrones. I don't think that you could say hard home is the best episode of game of thrones. Because there's other stuff that while not bad. Just isn't quite as exciting as the hard home sequence itself, but the whole structure of the heart. It reminds me of like aliens where you're invested in so many different characters who who you're getting to meet and you get to like the first big action scene of aliens. And like seventy percent of the people that you've met in that you've started to enjoy are just like totally wiped out on ceremoniously in such an incredible action sequence. It's kind of hard home in a nutshell heart homes like game of thrones is thirty minute distillation of aliens aliens is one of my favorite movies of all time. So I'm inclined to really left this episode. Yeah, I think there are not many uninterrupted, you know, half hour sequences that you could even put that in the conversation. So I think that's sort of the cheat code. Owed on that that hot take that heartache what about the purple wedding, purple wedding, his very very, very good. It's very different very different very different. I think that this this. You know, it's going to be interesting when we get to battle with the bastards, and we compare the action in hard home versus the action of battle the bastards once again directed by Miguel potch, Nick so some continuity there, but even thinking back to to blackwater just some of the things that you see in this episode in the way that the action is rendered is just so lights out. It's just so fricking good. If you're if you're to compare, you know game of thrones sequences like extended sequences of the show, this has to be in the conversation for one of the best weather you want to say it's better than the purple wedding or the red wedding sequence itself. The light of the seven sequence it's coming up at the season six finale, I think that is one of the standout moments of the entire show. But through this point of the rewatch, maybe just a sign that game of thrones just building on itself when you when you get to this moment in season five and all hell breaks loose. And you see the night king and action for the first time second time overall. It's just such an electric moment that really almost a racing. Everything else that you've gotten to. It's like now, you're really reminded of what the true stakes are here in this world of ice and fire that it doesn't matter. What's going on in king's landing? It doesn't matter. Who's vying for the thrown down there, it really only matters about the king and the north and I'm not talking about John. I'm talking about the night king. So I love it. I just think I think it's so great and season five continuing to defy expectations for me here on the rewatch. Okay. So let's see get into everything from this episode. Of course, the whole second half the episode is going to be everything going on at hard home. But we do a lot of big stuff going on here. Especially in The Danny storyline where Danny and Tyrian Lancaster, really talk things through a number of times in this episode. They're getting to know each other. You know, it's a it's a fun. Meet not so cute. You know, there's some there's some cute moments in here. But it's really it's like meet business. I guess that's called a business meeting, and there's sort of talking things through about why are you here? You know, what do you have to offer? And I guess tearing is trying to sell the any on the idea that he should be an adviser for her campaign, but it's a very soft cell. Well, I think that he is he's being buried Tyrian Lancaster here. And he's kind of he is of the mind at least when we meet him in the beginning of this season of you know, what just kill me. Let me die. I'm going to drink myself to death. I've got nothing to live for anymore. And then various gives him this intriguing idea of don't you want to at least meet deniro star, Gary and don't you want to see some dragons in person? This is something that could potentially happen for you interiors. Like all right as long as I can drink on the way. So he's already kind of have he has a cavalier attitude about his life. He doesn't wanna die in a horrible way. Which is why I think he's very much fighting for his. Life when he meets the stone men, and when he meets Mr. echo, he doesn't want to be dismembered does not want to share the ungraded Speight. But he I think that he has a little bit of a carefree attitude about himself where he himself feels like he's kind of playing with with house money, where he's you know, he's here he wants to he wants to interview denarius just as much as he expects. He's being interviewed on fear the Walking Dead much like out on the Walking Dead, which is giving you a story. Definitely something that nobody was thinking. Than unlikely appearance of an Al from fear, the Walking Dead reference here in winter was here in this in the year eighteen October twenty eighteen while Al on the Walking Dead is still a thing a year from now, I would not Bank on it. So Tyrian he has heard about this baby that was born in storm, and she had no land, and no money and no army and here she is. And now she has all three and Danny desks here. Well, why should I bother with you? What's so great about you? Yeah. Well, he's talking about how you know. It's our guarantee could be could be intense. You know, why why should I feel like you are going to be the right person? Here why we've just met. Why should I feel like you deserve my service interior kind of list out his own resume a little bit of talking about like, I'm the greatest Lancaster killer. That's ever been born. Why do you deserve me? Yeah. Because she is an enemy of the louder. Hey, look, if you hate Lancaster's while I'm your person. But I'm your guy Tyrian and tries to rebut. Danny's? Claim that look I have an army. I have dragons what do I need you for and Tyrian tells her that look killing and politics is not one in the same. Right. There's certainly been a lot of great kings, and queens who have murdered ruthlessly and have been affective in that way. But have often lost their lives and their rule pretty quickly afterwards. So that's why he wants to AC if she's got the stuff and be why he believes that he has the stuff to guide her in the right direction. Why he has the experience he served his hand of the king. He did a very good job. And just like, okay. Well, you know, talking about it is one thing. What's the what's put the job into practice? Here's Giora more Mont. Here's this lovesick fool who who betrayed me deeply, I'm not a big fan of his. I said I would kill him. If I ever saw him again here in marine. What do I do the jury and he's put to the test right away? Yeah. He's like let me think about it. Well. You know, he definitely loves you. He did betray you. Did he have an opportunity to confess his betrayals? Yup. Time. Yeah. Hundred percent million majorities. We talked privately several times. So it was an unpleasant truth, but he didn't trust that you would be smart enough to forgive him. So Dan, should I kill him? No don't kill him. But he can't be here. And you expect Jordan be like come on. Well, this is like this is Terry. Thank you. Yeah. But you brought me into the old Valerian almost got me gray scale. I'm lucky I didn't get a Kuti spot this Tyrians way of being kind toward Giora. He's actually saved Jawara's life already at this point where we're Mr. Recco. And the slavers are gonna kill Giora. And then Tyrian speaks up for him. He's like, no don't kill them. So I think like some measure of mutual respect has emerged between these two guys. But they're now at the point this is where this was the destination that they were both trying to reach tearing wanted to see Danny anyway, Giora took him to see Danny Giora thought that he was going to buy. Back his place in Danny's cabinet by selling her, essentially Tyrian, Lancaster, and that's just not going to be how this works. If Tyrian is going to walk out of this with his head intact. He has to give to nurse the best advice. He possibly can. While also the side benefit of that being some measure of mercy towards Lord more Mont in the fact that he is not going to get killed. He should be lucky that he is walking out with his head intact. So I think in its own way much as the aero was a mercy to man's raider. I think that the move to once again exile Giora while a bit repetitive is is a mercy for that man as well. All right. So they take Giora away. Let's go to the black cells and check out what's going on with that Nella. And sir c yeah. It's a quick scene. There's going to be a little bit more later on. I think we could Yar Yar this September ele- socks, sir. See is not a fan services like getting smacked by a spoon and getting water held out on her. She's only allowed to drink. If she is. She's not gonna. Confess confess. Yeah. And she once again reiterate, I told you I meant it. My face is going to be lasting see before you smack in the face. But of course, we know that we'll get the last laugh on septa eventually just what was the nila doing before the high Sparrow really came into his own probably torturing other people probably just like doing a lot of like religious torturing or she may be was like, I don't know. Just hanging out in the cell waiting for her big moment. Okay. All right. Let's go over to Bravo's and check in with what aria is working on and a little bit of this the game of faces. It's a little bit of the game of faces. And it seems like Arias doing a much better job as she is talking about her new persona as. The voice tres, clams and cockles girl. Yeah. And she is going to go and try on this identity, and we're going to see that Jack and gar is going to task her with a new assignment right ditch moon singer lane. I guess it's actually Raghman lane. I'm sorry. That was a lie. You're no longer going to be turning left onto Raghman lane. You're going to Raghman harbor. Yeah. Yes. And you need to go and work with your voice, tres, clams, and cockles and sell them to a skinny man slender man, the thin, man. This man is an entirely different thing would be very terrifying. In the world of Gatemouth. Yeah. That'd be horrible. Is going to be sent to this thin, man. Who does this this like work with these like ship captains, he's a gambler he wages that a sailor ship is going to make it to its destination. And the captain only wins. If you loses his life seems like a terrible bet. I don't understand why anyone would really get in on it. It seems like a terrible bed. And I think the punchline is he bets that you won't get back or that. He he he bets that you will get back. And then when you die and you lose, but then he doesn't pay your family. I think that that's sort of the scam here. Right. That's a good scam. It's very I don't know feels berry like Java Han solo right? Like the the whole idea of like just like betting big on one guy. And then, you know, if you owe me in the longer, you're way, the more you owe me these guys are lucky that they're not being frozen in carbonite also very impressive. That aria is able to just like shuck annoy. Mr. so fast. I feel like that is indicative of some time that must have elapsed while aria has been posing as the Ana because to to learn the art of just popping and oyster like that. That's got to take at least months to really master. And I don't know if we explored this in the real time. I don't know where REI gets always stirs does Jack and Hagar have a seafood guy that they have a connection seems like that, you know, how does she just automatically start up this seafood business? Yeah. I don't know. They really just kind of. I think they they did us the mercy of not going into the deep dive details about how that all came together. I can live without the game of thrones spin off about aria stark becoming Alana the clams and cockles girl on the details guy, though, I liked it. And they know you are I know you getting in the weeds on this. UC weed man, the jo-john weeds right now what I don't understand is. Okay. We we sort of explored what this guy's scam is. And then it's like, okay, Josh Wigley is like, well, I'm going on a trip to Fiji it could be dangerous. I bet that I won't get back. Okay. And he's like, oh, I bet that you will. And then okay. But then this guy is like, well, it's my eighteenth trip. Like, I'm gonna I'm betting I won't get back this time, and he's like no deal. That's it. Get outta here out of my wife if it's a scam. Why doesn't he take? This guy's money. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know that the man is. Strange strange bird. Good thing. We're not going to have to deal with him. Very long. Yeah. All right. So Ari is tasked with keep your eye on this guy. Keep your eye on this guy. Yeah. That seems to be a decent plan as long as nobody from her past shows up and comes a distraction coming down the line because we know that this guy likes his oysters. He likes them with vinegar thing, by the way. Yeah. Absolutely. A minute. I'm not an oyster guy. Josh, I'm not a huge oyster guy myself. I dabbled in oil stirs. I can enjoy the occasional user. I don't really seek them out very actively. But if if an oyster comes my way, I'm not going to be URI's about it. And I've encountered many in my time. Have you know, you can have a little cocktail sauce that that could be really good. You can have the classic minute sauce a little bit a little bit horseradish in there, perhaps though that's really in the cocktail sauce. The minuet is really like shallots chop show. It's a little bit of like the vinegar that gives it kind of like, the pickling taste it. Can it can be good stuff as long as the quality of the oysters are good. And that's really the thing. Kind of like Easter guy. I mean, I'm just trying to give you a little bit of insight into what the officers are like, I'm not a big fan of like, the briny oyster that really tastes like the ocean and pretty much any oyster is going to at least taste a little bit like the ocean. So it's just not going to be my default thing. But I'll eat I'll eat just about anything at this point. I'm I'm I'm a glut. That's one of my sins. Well, aria is going to be given a little bit of the poison for Mr. thin, man. This is going to be some spiked vinegar that she's going to be serving up. Yeah. And then she walks away in the wave. Says I don't think she's ready for this. I don't think she's ready for this jelly. Yeah. And somebody's really jelly. It would seem. Yeah. In jacket as well. If she dies. She dies cares. But I don't think he really believes that he seems to be a big aria fan. Yeah. So he's just telling the wave which wants to here. Yeah. I think so it's all the same to the many face God. Indeed. Indeed. Maybe he does believe that where it's like if that's what her fate is in. That's what her fate is. So who we then go to see, sir? See again. And now she's getting a visit from Khyber. Yes. So this is the bigger scene of the episode where Khyber n- shows up and seriously. So tell me what's going on. How bad is it? Like. It's very bad situation. It's not good. Every single update that Khyber and has for C is in the in the red. This is bad. The highest barrows presenting a substantial case, the charges are fornication treason. Incest, even the murder of gang. Robert. It's the belief is is often the death of reasons. So even if you are saying that these are lies the fact that people believe them will overrule the fact that you've got a case in your corner. No one's gonna care about that. By the way, none of them are allies. They're all. Seriously, can insist on all of them are lies. None of this is true. But she's she's definitely she's definitely in big trouble here in very big trouble here, how Khyber n- becomes servcies legal counsel. There's not somebody that's more qualified. I mean, they feel like that. This is not seem like it's in his wheelhouse. Because she's got no one else. Nobody else. There's no Lancaster lawyer anybody to go. Yeah. She doesn't have anybody. Everybody hates Lancasters at this point. Certainly everybody hates, sir. She made her big move the high. Sparrow, was kind of her guy the highest Barry was no longer her guy. Khyber news really her only guy, we even get as as the story develops. Here is hybrid inserts. You're talking there's no word from Jamie, Jamie's often Dohrn. So there's nobody to talk to their grandmaster pie cell who has been a big Lancaster guy for a long time. And this is this is something that I didn't really remember. But it's one of the benefits of the. Watch not that it matters much in the grand scheme of things. But I think we've appreciated the grandmaster pice L sub story that has been running throughout the show that slowly and slowly. And slowly seriously has just been dissing this guy and really just you know, subtly jabbing at him in knocking him down. And finally Maistre by sells like I'm calling on Kevin. And he's going to be the guy, and I'm not gonna come and speak to search the I've got no interest in that. So she's already pushed away this guy who's been in her corner for a very long time alkyl, Kevin not interested doesn't wanna see sir c at all not on her terms anyway. And we also hear that that poor little Tom is doing poorly at time. So everybody is doing poorly. Everybody's having a horrible time. The only way out is to confess and sir. Sees just refusing to do that. But he bring him voice tres. Maybe he might like that. Maybe he isn't always to guy. Yeah. He could be a noise guy. I feel like I could see that. Yeah. Eventually sept- Annella comes in. It's like all right parties over party's over. It wasn't much. Party. Yeah. It was bad. I just confess just could fast. That's it. But he does leave her with like one silver lining where he says the work continues. And the implication there is surrounded strong is still in development not that that's really going to bear fruit for her in her way out the door here. So I don't know why he's maybe he's just kind of showing off. He's like he will be there to carry her back into the red keep. Yeah. And you know, he's an enforcer later on you know, he gets his gold are on. But that's really about it. But he's it. Maybe he's just like looking for an Atta boy nobody's been around to tell carbon. You're doing a great job. So he just wants to hear I guess. Yeah. Good job, man. That's great. All right. Let's go back to a winter fell. And we see as seen with Sansa and theon and theon or Rica comes into see Sansa. She's like why why did you wrap me out re is like the Marie because I'm reading all of this stuff is horrible. And I don't know what to do. Yeah. Yeah. She's like, no. You're a terrible person. I'm glad that you've been turned into re brothers. I like this. It's it's just like, you know, what I'm happy everything that bad that happened to you. I wish I would have done it. I would have been very happy to done all the things which is very dark look for for for Sansa. Stark. I don't know if this is just anger or this is real. But the things that happened to theon. I can't imagine that she would have actually wanted to do any of that stuff. Yeah. But then wreak slash theon. He does crack a little bit. And then reveals that the boys that he killed were not actually Brandon Rick on yet. They were just these little farm kids who I killed and I burn them so badly. So nobody would know that their Brandon Rick on and then he freaks out, and he leaves and Santa seems to be very excited about the fact that Brandon Rick on are are still alive. No love lost for the farmboys two. Kids did die here. Let's not be callous. Right. But Santa's like well. At least they weren't my brothers. So. Happy so bitter sweet sweet for Sansa sweet bittersweet. Okay. And the still don't Kobe theon. I'm Marie I'm rea-. All right. So we see Roose Bolton in the war room. And he is planning what they're going to do that status. His men are coming. And he says, look here's what we do. We just hide out here their horses can't jump over the walls. We have six months of food. It's winter there men are gonna mutiny. This is a great plan. Right. And Ramsey's like, you know, I'm really good at being a terrible person on a master of stealth you could just activate Bolton stealth mode and bring twenty people into his his camp. And we can we can call this now, which is obviously foreshadowing the first wave of the battle between status and Ramsey, which is a is a short war between these two, but Ramsey's really going to be dunking on standards breath unit every turn. Yeah. 'cause Roose Bolton doesn't want to send an army in the snow to go fight Santa's. But Randy says he can do it with twenty men Roose Bolton. Okay. Fine, fine. It'll get you out of my hair for a week fine. They'll do whatever you have to do. We don't need an army. We have a Holck. Yes. Actually, the John's no has a whole now. More on that to come. Yes. All right back in marine, Danny interior in are still talking through about what they're going to be doing and how much they have in common, and they end up turning the conversation back to their horrible fathers. This is a great scene. I mean the first scene between Danny interior is also excellent. And I you know in last week's episode, and then the first one in this episode, but this is really the great Danny interior seen so far of this series. And it was just I remember being so excited watching it the first time through being I've never seen these two characters in Iraq before this is awesome. We've wanted this for so long, and it was just like a really great preview of the potential of this show. And where things could be going as we were starting. To move towards the end zone here. But to hear sort of the symmetry in their stories of their horrible, fathers and Tehran's like my brothers. The only other person in the world I trust other than various. And she's like, oh, you mean the brother who killed my dad was like. Yeah. As awkward, but you know, just the way the interconnectedness between these two stories, I think is is really really excellent in the performance is here from Gingrich and Clark or just on par. Yeah. And they do verbally Spar back and forth. Not that they're fighting. But they go back and forth, and it's very fun to watch the interaction between the two of them. And so they're talking about you know, what would your father did what would your father do? And they're talking about. How Tyrian ultimately says that we're to terrible children of two terrible fathers. Danny's like, wait. Why am I? Terrible. Yeah. I've heard some stuff, but maybe the right? Kind of terrible. Yeah. You're good bad. Good bad. And so Dan, no, she wants to be good bad. Yeah. She's feeling a little bit regretful about opening the fighting pits again tunes. Like, no. That was great. That was a good move. You know, people wanted that. So that was good. That was smart that was wise in you marrying somebody you don't like that's also good. That's for the greater good. That's great. That's impressive. That's already two points in your favor. I'm feeling good about so Tyrian would like to stay and help denarius with her 'cause and is willing to bring Tyrian onboard. Yes, she seems to be open to it. She says all right. I'm not gonna kill you your macgyver. Now. You're my adviser you're going to advise me, but you have to stop drinking so much and he's like all right? I quit. Yeah. And tearing asked in heiress about you know, his what what we have me do. And she says I need to help me get what I want and she implying the iron throne and tearing at pick something else. Yes. Yeah. Again, like, I think at Tyrian is potentially even giving voice to to wear the story, maybe heading with generis that the iron throne is the thing that she covets the thing that she thinks that she wants that thing that she thinks that she is destined for when in actuality, maybe that's not it. Maybe she's destined for something bigger. She's destined for something a little bit more important. But she does give a convincing sales pitch here. When Tyrian talks about let's be generous. And assume that you're going to be able to convert the commoners over to your side, you had the support of communists here in slavers bay. You were ruling without the rich that did not starting to not go. So well over in west rose, you need people who back you. There's not a lot of people who are going to back. You maybe the Tyrrells will. That's not impossible. But it's not enough and Danny's like I don't need their help. I'm there. Spokes on a wheel I'm gonna break the wheel. I'm going to change the whole thing. And it's impressive rhetoric. But without a real action plan. You know, what is it real? Yeah. Although in fairness here to Danny when Tyrian is saying, well, maybe you should pick something else. If I'm Danny like, well, what are you here? What are we talking about? Then if we're not talking about getting to the iron throne. What do I need your help with rolling marine? Because nobody wants me to do that. No, I advise you to leave marine it's gotten boring here. Yeah. So I don't know exactly. What tier Ian is thinking about here. But you know, I think I think part of it too. Probably is it's devil's advocate stuff where it's like he's trying to get her to think about the reality of the situation. So she starts thinking about it in a wiser more pragmatic way. He's testing. Yeah. You know, she could still take over west rose. She just has to do it the right way. And tearing things maybe he has more of an idea of what the right way would be up. And so ultimately, you know, there's talking about the great houses. And Danny says that you know, it's all just spokes on a wheel this one's on top. And that one's on top. And on spins crushing the people on the ground and Tyrian says, okay, I get it. You wanna stop the wheel? But you're not the first person ever think about that. And Danny says, I'm not going to stop the wheel. I'm going to break the wheel. Josh what's his breaking the wheel look. Like, I think that means completely reshaping the image of west roasts where it's not, you know, it's not stopping the wheel. It's breaking the wheel where the northerners are completely loyal to Danny. There's no more, you know, kingdoms, it's all one place. But I mean, frankly, we don't know yet. We just haven't seen enough of what Danny's idea for ruling western is right now. I don't think so necessarily. You know, maybe she beans like wiping out any of those power structures, though that like Stark's are no better than anybody else. Tyrrell's are no better than anybody else that the class system is destroyed. I think that could be something that she is. I yeah. So we'll see we'll see I don't know if she really has a plan for that. Well, we'll see as we get season seven when we reapproach some of that stuff. I don't know either. Yeah. Yeah. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Good. I hopefully somebody will. All right Giora is going back to the slave master. He wants back in. Yeah. Put me in goes. Just wants to fight again. He wants to he wants to fight for Danny again. Yeah. I mean, this guy cannot take a hint. Now, he is really insisting that he he gets to be part of Danny's coalition. It's like, maybe if I fight again, she'll be into it this time, I'll show her. Yeah. Buddy, buddy. Get a hint command. So we go back to septa nila insurgency and LSU does got her ladle her ladle with water like confess confess like some of this water. And then she's not responding to any of services offers. No, really, not like services really trying to be like, please. I'm going to get out of here. I could make you really wealthy do Noah just not hearing nine here for at all. No. And then she pours the water on the floor and services trying to drink some of that dirty floor, which I guess you gotta do if that's the only water, which is a tough situation that being said seriously kind of ground yourself into this situation. Now does she get the water and then gets to confess because can she do like a chunk from the goonies style. Confession. That's the like like a bunch of different stuff. Oh my God. The the surf shop. Yeah. Then this one time my brother pinch. I pinched him so hard that the red viper thought that I was going to seriously hurt him. And then the worst thing I ever done was. It's on the tip of my tongue water. Right. Sir, sir. Seeing a Hawaiian t-shirt is hilarious idea. All right. So we're going to see Sam rocky road. Yeah. Salmon Gillian they're kinda just doing the post mortem on key road. Yeah. Yeah. Salmon. How is that? That was great was good. How's your face? It's okay here. Always here. RA's here soon obligatory. I'll check and you know, I wonder I feel like I might have been too hard on Ali, the I I don't I don't find him as you're tasting on the rewatch. What do you attribute that to? I think I just sort of like a see his side of things a little bit more where I think that I was maybe the first time through Jon snow is the best who are you? Where do you get off questioning the wisdom of the Lord commander, right and say. Say that John snow made some mistakes in terms of his messaging. Yes, I think that's the thing. I think we'll even be able to pick pick some of that apart in this. The final half of the episode Johnson says some curious things, but I agree. I think that it's less about what John snow wanting with John's snow wants is very noble and is correct. I think that the way that he has been phrasing. That stuff has left a lot to be desired to the point. Where Ali who should be a really easy sell. Somebody who is like the biggest Jon snow fan in the world is going to just a couple of episodes from now plunged dagger into Johnston's chest feels like that was a heart and mind, you could of converted. Yeah. And Ali is asking Sam. But why why are we doing this again? Jon snow, like didn't they killed my family and not all Wild Wings. And always like look the red headed dude killed the raid that killed my my parents and sands like oh on the there's no rebuttal to that. You've moved yourself into a place. There's just no refuting. That fact. Yeah. In San mistress. Well, there's the army of the dead. They're going to they're going to come. Ollie's fixated on the the Wild Wings. Well, what if they cut our throats while we're sleeping? Yeah. Well, he's just not. He's just he's not buying into the whole army of the dead thing. I don't think anybody really is. Right. It's much easier to see the threat that's at your door, especially when they killed your parents. Yes. Indeed. Yeah. Okay. At the end of this conversation, though, Ali is like looking confused and Samson's, don't worry Ollie. I've been worrying about John for years. He always comes back. He always comes back. Yeah. Obviously little him. All each just remember that he'll come back. You'll hang you. They'll hang you within forty eight hours of being dead. He'll be back. Just remember that before you try to kill him. He always comes back. You. Warn you. I think that when I when I think back on my feelings on season five, I think that I was mostly annoyed by the way in which the game of thrones creators, tried to leave us with zero hope for John snow's return when there's moments like this. He always comes back. There was just so many reasons to believe that John wasn't going to stay dead and just the cagey -ness of Benny off in Weiss about the whole matter. That was really the thing that variated me the most granted there's some storylines the season that are just a little subpar. But I think a lot of the feelings of IRA of had toward season five are more on the meta factor. And I think that there are mitigated in binge mode. I think when you're watching the show just all the way through a lot of that stuff feels lesson for me that the way that the show runners handled all of this after the show was was not great was not great. I think the just like the way in which they they left us with. Any kind of like real wink and nod when it was just so obvious. I felt like that was that was an annoying an annoying bit for me. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's go to hard home. And that's where we will spend the rest of the episode and we spend a good thirty five minutes here. In harlem. It's great. I'm glad it's awesome. It's it's such a great sequence the whole thing just kind of feels like its own mini movie. It's almost like it's its own like half hour episode of game of thrones. Which is a little bit of a new trend for the for the drama these days, but thirty minute drama episode. I'm I'm really feeling that vibe. And I think when you think about hard home, you mostly think about the stuff that we're getting into here. Okay. So Josh Jesus set up what is hard home. So hard home is it's basically a stronghold of the Wild Wings north of the wall. It's a it's a fishing village. And all of the Wild Wings have or many of them at least like the surviving Wild Wings. So many of them from different clans. That's why we're seeing all these different clan leaders. They've gathered here just as things have been getting. So so terrible in the in the wake of STAN is coming and destroying man's raiders army. These are the people who were able to escape that. And they're all just like hold up here waiting to figure out. Well, what do we do? Now, we're without manse raider where without a real. Oh, clear direction. And this is why John has come to these people to be like, hey, come with us. You're you're safe below the wall. You're certainly safer there than you are up here. Okay. So we see John and torment get greeted by the Lord of bones. Lord of buds is back. Lord bones is back for five seconds. I was so excited to see him. I know love the Lord above. No, good old bones, buddy. Just gets his his shit wrecked. And like the first five minutes of. I think it's really like diminishes the legacy of Lord of bones is really percents percent completely smacked. Her ally tore giants it's sort of like, you know, what is this guy doing with like a skeleton on his face? Yeah. I mean giants being is a is a bad ass for sure when we were led to believe that so was rattle shirt. And he just gets like very seriously punched at perhaps like Lord of bones could see and didn't have like a skeleton over his face. Maybe he might be more formidable opponent well at the like modified the skull helmet. Maybe I think like he needed it to be like more of like a grid iron. Look, I think would have would have been helped. He's intimidating, but it seems like that, you know, it actual practice that may be, you know, just wearing a skull over your faces. You know, not the best move like form over function. Yeah. Anyway. So he's like a who are you? Why are you here? What are you doing? Why are you with this guy, and they're trying to tell Lord bones? No, we're allies now. Yeah. So strike one for John snow. I think allies speaking for torment here like just like stepping in and thinking that he is already able to speak effectively to the to the culture of the Wild Wings here. Torment kind of gives Jonah luck being like dude, stop don't don't say that let me deal with this. And obviously, it goes over very poorly with the Lord of bones who just like immediately starts ripping into torment before torment is forced to rip into the Lord of bones. Right. And the Lord of bones is making some homophobic comments to Jon snow and Ormond, which you know. Hey, not cool Lord of bones. Germans got no time for it. He's not here for that. He doesn't like the insult. He stands up for John. Oh, he stands up for himself. And he just destroys decimates the Lord of bones, very swiftly. So it was a completely disastrous appearance for the Lord of bones. Just completely tarnished. His legacy. No, it's very bad. Agree that would have been a much better deal for him for sure. Tell me alive. Yes. Okay. All right. So John is get everybody together. It's gonna make his pitch to the wild links. Yes. And this is one of the areas in which he could really use some work. I mean, he's he's being honest. He's like, we're not friends. We've never been friends. We're probably not going to become friends today. This is about surviving this about putting my wall between you and what's out there and carseat the wild Ling. She's like you build that wall to keep us out. And then Loboda says when you guys since when do you guys give a crap about if we live or die says in normal times, we don't these are not normal time. Yup. These two people that you mentioned Loboda the thin and then car see the wild Ling. They get like a nice media roles in this episode. I think that's a big reason why I love this episode so much is certainly. People have to die in this sequence in order for it to be really really effective. But there's characters here who have more important stuff to do moving forward. You can't really lose Jon snow at hard home. You can't lose torment here dollars. Ed is going to be the guy who's going to be taking on the night's watch. Since we've already killed so many of the night's watch characters you need to keep him alive. So that there's somebody recognizable. So what's the move? And I think that the move here is a kill somebody recognizable instantly in the Lord of bones. Even if he's not a main character just the way in which he is killed so swiftly. I think starts to unsettle you that things could go very differently in very very badly for many of the people here on. But also, it's like it's like boosting up the red shirts. It's like turning the faking you into thinking that these red shirts or gold shirts that he no car. See is somebody who potentially is going to be like a main character. It seems like she's got some good chemistry with John snow seems like she certainly has history with tournament. Giants pain Loboda is like being set up as like somebody who could be. Counter argument to the pens as we had seen them before. Somebody who's a little bit more. A little bit more manageable. Even if he's taking a hard line against John snow, of course, one one just by size alone is somebody who you're going to who you're really gonna feel for right away. Somebody who's going to have a lot of great impact. So you're kind of tricked into thinking that these are new characters on the show as we're incorporating the wild things more into the game of thrones story, these are people that we're gonna wanna watch moving forward. Even carseat kind of represents this character named Val from from from the books that never made it onto the show. This woman in the wild wing culture that John has a really close relationship with. So there's a lot of ways that the story is setting up. This version of what they're gonna do by killing them off in really horrible ways and berry suddenly in a manner in which you are not expecting even though you just met these people that you already feel you feel something when you lose these people, I think that's a really effective job. Both in the writing the direction of the episode the acting of the episode it just makes you feel very invested in the fight at heart home. Yeah. And John is trying. To talk to them about the white walkers or coming, and we have this dragon glass, we can we can fight them. We need you guys to be enrolled in this battle against them. And the nobody's really super interested in what he's trying to say John is gonna namedrop manse raider. Yeah. And he's like, I knew Mance raider. He would've wanted you guys here. And then everyone's like, so where's manse? Hadn't thought that through. Yeah. So he says manse raider died. And John has like an opportunity here to explain what happened to man's Reiter with some detail in context, and instead he chooses to say, I put an arrow through his heart. What's? Yeah. Yeah. No, not big fans of that. Understandably. Okay. Very much. So Josh very understanding comes in. And he smooths things over did torment and John snow work that bid out where. Okay. But I'll say that I put through hot. So that you come in. And you you like make me look good like I'm like a bad as there was a great idea. Good cop, bad Comcast's. I love it. Yeah. I love the good out comforting. Because if they didn't then it's a bad job on John snow that being said, I think it is very consistent with John snow's character. At least as game of thrones is presented him. We have the benefit here of knowing. How Jon snow is going to react at the at the dragon pit in king's landing at the end of season seven when they're all making the appeal of like, hey, we all got to fight together. Like the second version of this exact scene, and it's just it's it's going to go poorly there as well because John snow just cannot tell a lie, or at least can't even give context. You know, like, you could at least be a little more, honest, a little less like honesty could still exist with context, you don't just have to skip right to the very literal definition of how this man died. Explain what happened. Well, they were going to set them on fire, and I didn't want that to happen. I respected man's Reiter. And that's a bad way to die. So I use it because easy when he infiltrated the Wild Wings like he did lie like he can do it. Yeah. Spin. Yeah. Baby. That just like it. Tired him out so much like he's just he's against doing it. They never again be like, okay. This is your mission you need to sort of like paint these facts in a different way. Yeah. So in that, great, not great. But torment ends up saying like, no it was a mercy. He did a whole good thing. And I like this guy. And so the woman car see she says, look, I lost the budget members of my family fighting against the crows and Johnson. Look, don't forget, you're dead. I won't forget mine. But we gotta work together kind of team up. Yes. And so they sell some people on this. Some people are okay. Like car sees into it. We see we see that one one. He's good. He's happy to he. He's all about tormented. That's really the thing is that both Carr C and and one one. Another wildly as well. They're kind of like Storman thinks this is the way we trust torment. The thin Loboda is not into it. Not feeling it. Yes. He says that no this is a trick. They're going to slit your throats once they get you on the boat. Correct. Yeah. Just really refusing to consider his true self interest. Not doing the research, not stopping to think about the process here. Just very blindly buying in on what the typical wildland philosophy here is versus them. And there's no way no way whatsoever. That we can set aside some of our differences to save our skins in the immediate moment is a very bad look for for this line of thinking, I think, and then John doesn't really even rebut that he's like doesn't even make any sense. Why would we come all the way to do that? Yeah. Yeah. Just like it's a it's a limited amount of people that are willing to come along for the ride. Yeah. All right. But there are some people on board. So I guess something is better than nothing. And so we learn that it'll be about five thousand or so roughly I mean, that's John's estimation term, and he's not a counter, you know, that really his wheelhouse. Yup. All right. So everybody is getting onto the boat, including Carr sees children. Yeah. And this is a another great moment that gets you a little more invested in carseat, and certainly sets up her own death that, you know, she's saying goodbye to her children here everything she's doing here is for the sake of her children. And then she's just going to get wrecked by me children. Yeah. So just how many people should we assume have made it off to the ships before the disaster strikes at heart home. I did a decent amount. But if it's easiest people did don't you dare. It's a a solid amount of people. Here have have made the made the schlep. But I think we lose much more than we ultimately gain. Sure. All right. So we see a little bit of business back inside that one one the giant is messing around with the dragon glass, a kind of gets into it with with Ed. Yeah. He says like low key role, which says something vulgar in giants yank anyway. So we start hearing some bad noises bad noises, the dogs here at first day. They are aware of what's going on before anybody else. Yes. And very quickly all hell breaks loose where even the thin who has been leading the charge this exodus out of heart home. And really where are they going? Like, why are they leaving hard home is a good question? Like all the John scooping up all the people who wanna leave. Don't you think that like now you've just? Got more room to stretch out and hard home like the like, the prime real estate and hard home. Some of that's now up for grabs. You would think. So. But then, you know, it's also, you know, winter and maybe there's there's nowhere good in the north in this bar, north, your this is probably the criminal a cram is it that's the hard home is the best. I don't think it's the worst. I think I don't think that there's any place. That's particularly plush other than caress does. What about easy home, easy, home doesn't exist? That's something. You've invented doesn't exist that we know of. But I mean, if I was wildly real estate agent. I think I would set up shop in easy home. Like, why aren't you sick of life in hard home? Wouldn't you like to make a new life for yourself in easy home? Oh, the wild things. Like it rough. They oh, they like it. Okay. So then they would think you were Opposers. And if you were easy home, easy, home is west rose. Yeah. Hard hard home is is the true north. Okay. All right. So let's shut the gate shut the gate because I'm hearing bad noises. Yeah. And so this is this is when the battle the battle begins all these people were on the other side. They're like, no, no, no. This is bad. This is bad. They shut him out there pounding on the gate and then very quickly the pounding ceases. Why do they have a gay like this is this because the whites come like this before or other Wild Wings? No, it's to protect themselves from raiders alright law start, and so they start hearing all of this craziness. They closed the gate as a bunch of Wild Wings that are on the other side of the gay. They're all screaming and also that gets quiet. Yes. It gets very quiet. And then it stops being quiet. It starts being louder and more urgent and there are all sorts of dead. People skeletal remains of. Of old Wild Wings and other such people. Maybe some nights watching them in mixed in there as well. Who knows they're all they're all gathered together, and they're all trying to get in all hell breaks. It's getting crazy. They're climbing the fence at trying to come through the fence and things are getting out of control. There's a big fight sequence that emerges your defines the remainder of heart home in this whole sequence is certainly the reason that people remember this episode, right? And it gets a little hard to describe the action any highlights that you want to speak up before we get to some of the individual battles. No. I mean, I just I just love it. I love like the sword sticking through the gate, and John like fighting them back off in this. This guy Loboda is just immediately just like realizing I have messed up. This was a mistake should a believe the crow. I just think I think that's all that's all super fun. John realizes, oh, we need the dragon glass, I brought all the dragon glass here. Sam said, that's the thing. That's going to be able to kill a white Walker. I need to go back and get the dragon glass. Get the dragon glass. Go get that dragon glass and Loboda is like all right. I'm I'm on your side. Now, I messed up we're going to do this together. So the two of them are going to go into this cabin. And lo and behold Loboda, and behold, a white Walker is waiting for them and getting the dragon glasses going to be a more complicated effort than either of them realized. Yes, and John is going to engage in hand to hand combat with a white Walker something that nobody has ever done before and live to tell the tale. DJ Sammy slayer get I guess we forget this Loboda certainly will not live to tell the tale. He's like go get the dragon glass. I got this dope. I don't got this shattered immediately, and he is stabbed in the gut doubt. And so John is a battling the white Walker. And now he has long claw which happens to be a Valerian steel sword. Right. And so we are going to come to realize that that is that is white Walker kryptonite in addition to the dragon glass, Valerian steel is very effective against these guys. The white Walker is going to shatter instantly one I feel like that's wild. How they just explode like that. It's so neat. So. Just that moment is awesome. That moment is so great. When he, you know, the sound has like drowned out because John has had the wind knocked out of him at this point. He's crawling towards the sword. The white walkers crawling is like stalking toward him. You feel of course, Jon snow is going to be able to get out of this. But how so you're just kind of like waiting for what's the punchline going to be? So there's just like this heart racing element to it. He grabs the sword. The stands up just in the Nick of time in the fact that his sword doesn't shatter on impact against the white walkers weapon is in itself. It's a revelation. It's like oh. Well, long claws pretty special. Oh, wow. Long claws berry special as John does the sweet spin move and just shatters this guy into a million bits. It's awesome. It's amazing. It's a it's a really cool scene. Just in the crafting of it, the, you know, the sound design behind it. And just the narrative information we're getting about that as well. Where in a future episode in the season seven episode? We will continue. To see that Valerian steel and drag glass are effective against the white walkers. But you've got to imagine that that's only gonna come into more play as the show. Winds up starts winding down with the final six episodes still to be released. There's also a great moment in the fighting in this happens in battle, the bastards as well where Jon snow either has the wind knocked out of him or is like concussed to some degree. And you know, the sound design sort of like follows that where it's sort of like you're seeing things not necessarily from John's perspective. But in terms of where you know, the sound is gone out a little bit. Because of what's happened to John, and you really are. Was in his shoes. Yeah. One hundred percent. I think that this was because I think the way that the show and the story has been told they've really slow played the the threat of the white walkers. It's the first thing you ever see in game of thrones is a white Walker sequence. So right off the jump. You know that this is a big deal story line. But it's also an endgame story line in most of the story is going to be defined by the political wheeling and dealing all the human frailties that that are littered throughout game of thrones. That's going to be the real meat and potatoes of of this of this story. But this sweet sweet dessert, and we're we're finally getting into the final course of the meal and just along the way they're giving us like little chocolate truffles of white walkers sprinkled throughout the throughout this lavish feast, and this is like the most juicy truffle of them, all and analogy delicious and always tres involved as well. It's just it's a great time. And I'm just I'm I'm so excited for where they're going to go with it. But I think in this moment, especially because we'd been deprived of so much of what it looks like when the white walkers are involved just little little tastes along the way. This is just your biggest white Walker hit yet. And it's it's done so expertly, and does it is grounded in the perspective of essentially, the mean character of the show. So I think that really gets you invested and it helps get you invested to that. We lose these people along the way, I don't think we need to do it the super deep dive into the beat by beat how it all plays. But we Louis car C in a very dramatic moment where she's fought off a lot of these these whites. And then she turns around, and she sees like this group of children, that's such a haunting image those kids. Little shook the I'd be shook to I think I first of all I would have been dead long before this moment, right? I would not have made it to to the spooky kids. I think I would have been a visceral probably outside of hard home. What my bet just to confirm. Those are not her kits. Right. They're not her kits now they're like super decomposed like way way way. Did I just wanted to like, but she's very the fact that she's super son? Maybe they're her nieces and nephews though, I don't think she knew them. But. I wanted to make sure because there is the whole beat about her own kids. And I just wanted to confirm that that was not the case. I think that it's just connecting that and I think it kind of takes her breath away. This is the possible future that awaits her own children. And like she loses her composure in a moment that she really can't afford to lose her control. All right. So John ends up getting picked up by Ed, and he's like we need to get the dragon glass and like John. No, no, forget it. We gotta roll we're gonna die no partner up with somebody not terribly long from now who's going to be able to give them the dragon Guas hookup. So this is not a huge loss. But in the moment, it's not great. Yeah. And so they head to the boats. One one giant is also going to the both, and he's just like taking the whites that are on him and just like throwing them in the water and they're headed back to status fleet. Yeah. That's one one giant the most Horry Hoed or of season five if we're going by thrown her awards, and so they are on their way back to the boat, and John is just looking back and we've seen a couple times in this episode the night king. He is observing what is going on. And he sees John snow, and he's making eye contact with John snow, and he ultimately is going to raise his arms in one of the most iconic images. In game of thrones history. Josh yes, for sure I'm sure that's on the list. Right. It's gotta be. It's got to be on the list. Gotta be on the list. Just the stuff they do at the white walkers. In this episode is so good like not only this moment. But like that I I'm that John looks up and sees white walkers like it's not just whites that are here that are fighting them. It's not just like this army if the dead he sees beyond in the distance all of the different white walkers on their mounts, just like in the in the on the peaks in the horizon, just it's so spooky and then when the Nike Inc shows up, and he just walked so slowly in so confidently you are now finally looking into the eyes of the primary antagonists of game of thrones. Maybe not much of a character. But the face of death and him having that moment of like like you said at me, bro. Of him raising the dead arms outstretched and being like, this is what you're up against. It's a very appropriately. Chilling message to end hard home on and to really set the stakes for what is going to come later down the line on game of thrones. Yeah. And we see everybody rise back up and very terrifying. Image for Jon snow, the guy who's rowing the boat is really chill. Yeah. There's like one guy who's like who's who's in a hood who is rolling faster at this point. Yeah, he's got his back to to the night king things and everything he's just very chill, and he's just like rowing, very slowly. And I was I was impressed by his I don't really realize what was going on. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. All right. Josh, that's hard home. That's hard best episode of season five for sure. Yeah. And one of one of the true greats of game of thrones history. I think yeah. And. Very iconic sequence at the end of the episode as as you outlined best half an hour. Sequence of the show will history decide. Yeah. Let's let's see what what history has to say. I think through through seven seasons. I would say this is still the best half hour of the show. Yeah. All right. Josh anything else from hard home. As now we start to set our sights on season five episode nine. No, I'm very I'm very happy that we got through this episode. I will miss it deeply it was. It was a great pleasure to watch. And we've got to so it's less season five, and then we're getting we're starting to starting to gear up your we're getting close we're getting close to that game of thrones proper is getting as close as we are. I mean here we are just two episodes left in season five then ten episodes in season six and then seven episodes, and then it's time for season eight is that how it's gonna work. It's just going to definitely not. You know, maybe we'd like a couple of strategically placed intermittent breaks. We've got some holidays come two weeks off in between each episode. I think we'd be just about. Seems like did they announce an official date or are we still just looking at a window? No. I'm literally waiting to plan my life based on when game of thrones return. Yes. When game of thrones returns, I'm going to have to lock down like nine weeks of my life, my best guess, honestly, it could be anywhere. It can be anywhere in twenty nineteen. I used to think that it was going to be winter twenty nineteen because how could you resist winter is here in airing it in the in the winter months of game of thrones within their reports from I think one of the visual effects guys. It's like it's not gonna it's not gonna premier until July something when I tell you. Yeah. I winter twenty twenty is not happening. If game of thrones doesn't come back until like, the very end of twenty nine thousand nine that's going to be infuriated not gonna watch it. Then everyone's going to watch it. And I guess at this point take your time HBO, the probably a winner twenty twenty to take your time. And just make sure that it is great. But also could you let me know really love to start making some plans for next year. If got I've got things to do people. See at least is to go. Yes. All right. So Josh wiggle. If you are watching the Walking Dead as closely as we are, then we got a recap for you. Jessica lease was really on fire at talking about episode three of season nine of the Walking Dead as we are on the March to the end of Rick Grimes, potentially. Yes. And Jessica Lisa, and I were messaging very recently about getting back together to do a Walking Dead book. Club special for whatever the event occurs that Rick Grimes is no more. I think she and I are going to get together. And we're gonna talk about that. And what the comic book ramifications of all that are we'll do like a really big spoiler podcast. All right. So beyond the lookout for that. We will be back in our regular time. Slots of talk about a season five episode nine here on the game of thrones or recap. So be on the lookout for that. You could subscribe go to oppose your, recaps dot com slash itunes or post show. Recaps dot com slash GO TI, I tunes for the game of thrones. Only the Josh anything else. Nothing else your honor. All right. Take care. Bye. I.

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The Game of thrones Feedback Show | Season 8, Episode 01: Winterfell

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The Game of thrones Feedback Show | Season 8, Episode 01: Winterfell

"Tonight's game of thrones feedback show is sponsored by our friends over at blue diamond almonds. Are you watching game of thrones and tired of the same boring snacks? Let me tell you. Winter's here. So it's the perfect snack blue diamond almonds with you're going to work if you're bored at work, if you're leaving work these almonds are the perfect snack Honey roasted flavor, dominance, Saracho flavored almonds with Sabi and soy sauce flavored almonds. Do. I have your attention. Why keep snacking on boring chips when you can go to the store and pick up blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment. Blue diamond almonds is the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great flavors right now and eat them, blue diamond, almonds crave. Victoriously? The game of thrones season premiere is over. But we're just getting started answering your feedback here on the game of thrones post show recap. And now here are the two guys who don't have any elephants either. I am rob cicirino here with Josh wiggle or Josh how are you? Very depressed that this podcast. Did not start off with winter was here. No. Well, I know we're no we're not doing this. Again, winter is still here winter still here winter is still here. And we are we are you, and I are just getting started talking together about the final season premiere of game of thrones winter fell is the name of the episodes. There's a silent h silent not even in the spelling the Ocho is under our belts. Rob. And here we are. And I'm so psyched to finally talk about a brand new episode of game of thrones verse time in on the brand. Yeah. Have you been following all of the brand memes online? So I saw the brand and Jamie, Lancaster, Kerber enthusiasm clip. What are the brand memes? People are having a field day with just like posting like reaction shots of people looking like extraordinarily petty and saying that this is brand just like people who like the. Tagline that I'm seeing a lot of this is one that I like a policies for the harsh language brand. This quote, unquote, quote, unquote, brand is a messy bitch who lives for drama. There's a lot of people who are standing brand start antigen. Okay. So this is just the lingering in. Yes. Just lingering in the winter fell courtyard just absolutely giving people the business people people love this. There's there's one person who tweeted a picture of a guy in a hospital bed after he has clearly been through a thing. It is a picture that this person sent in a text message with underneath I lived bitch. As though this is supposed to be sent to Jamie, Lancaster. So people are absolutely losing their minds for super petty brand stark love it you were here for it. Yes. We stand up a petty stark. Yes. So that's happening. Right. It's pretty great Kotok dot com has a really fun roundup of the brand internet reaction Takuu Kotok you. Yeah. Talk is like it's like anime and manga and stuff like that. L video games semi Khotan dot com. Go here. They've got lots of good JR PG retrospectives. We're really in the weeds taco Tuesday. Okay. So talk you overload. All right. So let's get into this because you have been pounding away at the keyboard over at a T HR dot com slash game of thrones could could you rattle off the list of articles you've published since the sure sure. The credit? Yeah. I'm I'm looking at the at the page right now. So we had every game of thrones season premiere ranked which was an article that had already existed and we updated our rankings with this season premiere. There is the game of thrones final season premiere podcast bringing down the beginning of the end. If you have not heard me in your ears time game of thrones already that exists in a special edition series regular episode. I recorded with Dan Fienberg, which is a guy. I've known Dan for a good number of years number. Yeah. He's the best and we met on set visits several several years ago before like, I really understood that he's like really big deal him like, you know. You know him and separate walleye classic combo. And I allowed myself a little bit of a moment to not that podcasting with you is in a very special deal. But I'm a little bit used to it to podcast, Dan Fienberg was that was that was pretty exciting. So that podcast exist. If you wanna put your ears on that game of thrones, spinal season premiere raises. The iron throne stakes is the very urgent headline attached to my recap of Windsor at the season premiere speaking of standing petty stark, I have an interview with with Isaac instead. Right, which is posted at HR dot com slash game of thrones. And this is like we did this before the memes really became a thing. And even he he loves brand these days this is a quote from from him when he's talking about us. Everybody kind of like recreating the winter fell scene and sort of like doing this new version of it from from this episode, and how it connects to the early days of the show said it was really. I recall it took a couple of days to film. It was quite a big scene and brand has all of these weird lines. Like, we don't have time for all of this. It was so fun. I've really grown to love being this weirdo in the corner who pipes up with strange abstract commentary every now and then it makes everyone go. Yeah. That's a quote from Isaac Hempstead. Right. So he he's stands a petty stark as well. I believe that is one of the stories I've got we've got brand in full Jack Bauer mode of like, dammit khloe running out of time. I feel like we're getting there. I don't think. Yeah. I think he could wargin to Jamie, Lancaster and have some real Jack Bauer moments coming. I don't think that that's impossible. We have this. We've gained thrones final season show promises. Buyer blood and ice Cold War in episode two which is deep dive into the trailer. We've got my takes on David Benny off. And Dan Weiss's inside the HBO episode that runs after each episode. I did a deep dive into the new opening credits sequence. And why that's something that's worth paying attention to I rounded up eleven call backs to the pilot run this episode, I interviewed he'll friend and mine some Tali spoke with the great John Bradley about his fantastic work in this episode. And he had quite a bit to say about why Sam is a hard pass on Dinara star Garin and mortar come come. That's just that's just in twenty four hours or you or a national. Treasure Josh wiggle or I don't know how you are on your feet, or at least half McHugh are still alive on top of all of that you and I have already recorded a wiggle room today over for RH AP. I'm still in the process, and it's training and recording a bonus series regular that should post on Wednesday. And now you and I are podcasting for what is my third podcast of the day and your eleven thousand so we both have had very very active. I think it's my third. Yeah. Yeah. It's been it's been a recording this late at night on a Monday. And I it's it's pure adrenaline and excitement to get to finally talk to you about a new game of thrones rates Teflon game of thrones premier. I saw on Twitter as well. You happy. I liked it a lot. Of course. I did. I think this is the best premier that. They've done well called recency. Bias, call whatever you want. I listen like the contingent of people who are like bureau that there's no huge action scene in this episode. There are not always huge action scenes in game of thrones. A lot of the time. The best parts of game of thrones are the really talky scenes because you get to see these really fun characters in these great actors doing fun character stuff in great acting moments. And there was so much of that in this episode and on top of that there were people who were meeting each other for the very first time whose journeys we've travelled we've traveled alongside them every step of the way from in many cases from the very beginning of the show characters who haven't seen each other since like, the first or second episode second episode in the case of John and aria, and you're finally seeing these characters cross pads again, if the huge Jon snow reveal I know it's taken forever. It has taken forever for the show to just like really articulate the significance of John snow being the son of radar tar Garin and Liana start. But now John knows about it. And I had been highly concerned in the offseason that. Maybe the show would find some path where they just never even brought that up for John. They did it in the first episode and your yard at the Yarra stuff. There are people who are complaining about that. Which is. Fees. Absolute insanity. We Mercifully got the Yarra gradually rescue operation handled minute in a half remarkable. I know this is a great episode. I'm very amped up. I'm really excited about how this sense of the final season. Very happy. Yeah. Not as high on it as you. I thought it was a fine return for the show. I'm not going to get worked up about not a ton of stuff going on in terms of action or moving things along. This was basically your table setting episode. The table is set if we spend another episode setting the table, though, I think that's when we riot. Well, I so so I think that's interesting. The premier's are always table centers. And I don't think that there's an exception to that rule. It's it's a tradition on game of thrones. At this is always an episode that is really setting the deck for where we're going. Deck deck is set. But I think that a lot of the work that needs to be done or this final season is internal. I think it's a lot of internal stuff. I think it's a lot of the character work that needs to be done. It's a lot of the eggs essential stuff that needs to be done. Yes. There's an army of the dead that is bearing down upon winter fell. But frankly, when they get their probably gonna just by the the nature of what that conflict would look like that's probably going to happen, really really fast. So a lot of the work that needs to happen leading up to that is establishing is going to be left over once those wars are one so that we have characters at by the end of this show who have meaningful import in each other's lives. And in the lives of everybody else in west arrose, and we're going to have to establish the stakes of some of these dynamics for the people who aren't going to survive. Whatever is about to happen. I don't think that episode two is going to be especially action packed. I think that episode two is going to be. A lot more of the character type of stuff and I'm excited about that. Because I think the bigger deal that we're starting to choose on in this episode that if it's a table center, it's not just about the character stuff. And it's not just about getting everybody either in position to deal with the white walkers or very much not in the case of sir c and those people I think we're also really starting to get a sense of what this story wants us to be left with when it comes to power structures and who's going to be on the iron throne and should anybody be on the iron throne, and I'll say riffing off of our feedback show that we did coming into this series of podcasts for the final season. I think that my prediction for who's gonna wind up on the iron throne is looking worse and worse, and yours is looking pretty good, which is to say I picked an heiress and you picked nobody. And I'm feeling. Aria peck know what that's right? That's right. So I think a lot of that is the material where we're seeing in our teeth into here, and I'm really happy with all of that. And I'm really happy the more we keep digging into that. I want to see the night king battles. And all that as well. But that is not the primary engine for me as far as interest in this final season of game of thrones. Were you surprised that we did not even see the night king here in the season premiere as we were setting the table. I don't think that we needed to. I I liked what we got up the white walkers. I thought that that scene was really creepy at last hearth. Shirley you. Call the kid with the eyes of mile away that that's going to go down as soon as you see him nailed to the wall. We know the. We know how that that type of scene works both on game of thrones. And just in horror genre contracts that kids going to wake up for one last scare at the very least. But I liked the enigma. I liked the mystery surrounding it. We certainly in this beat back show. We'll have some questions about what all of that meant with what went down last hearth. But I don't think that we I don't think that we can see the night king really in a very meaningful way until he hits winner fell and the second that he hits winner fell game on like that's going to be where things really really escalate. So I think it needs to be a minute before we see the night king. I was not mad at all that we didn't see him in this episode. Okay. Josh, I know you are sitting on a bag of ravens from our listeners that have been sent in with feedback questions from our listeners. I think that in a normal week we will record this on Tuesday. So we are a little bit rushing Africa. Adding this on Monday night after the premier, but I believe in the following weeks. We will have our feedback show recording on Tuesday afternoon. That is correct Tuesday's will be the date for recording. These shows where early this week. We got a lot of great feedback to muscle are ways through here for people who are going to listen to this podcast. Don't already know how to send us your ravens here. A few of the ways you can tweet at us. Of course, I am at round Howard. Rob is at rob sister. Nino you can use our feedback form at post show. Recaps dot com slash feedback. Or you can Email us GIO t at Osho, recaps dot com. Those are all very valid ways to to get us your questions, and please do. So we would love to hear from you in the weeks ahead. Okay. Do we want to reopen our voice mail inbox do? Yeah. You'll have to remind me out to access. Dot com slash voicemail. If you wanna leave us a voicemail as well. Yeah. I would love that. But we have so much to get through. So if you're ready ready, so was this open this mailbag right up. The great very prolific feedback. Questioner Spencer Y is going to kick us off here Spencer. Why wants to talk about something that is prevalent all throughout the episode? The call backs rob so many call backs throughout this first episode of game of thrones to various different points throughout the series. They're embarrassed different points throughout the series. No eunuch jokes. I think Tyrian was being really nasty to Varis to be completely honest with you. But we got we got a lot of call backs to vary specifically, the very first episode of game of thrones the pilot for some people that was very fun for other people potentially not so fun. And this is from Spencer Spencer says there's so many call backs in this episode is that goodness stall jer or potentially to spoil ary the winter bellboy climbing the tree like brand climbing the tower where he fell in the pilot episode, John and Danny looking at the snowy waterfall cliffs like Johnny grit, having their steamy time together in the caves during season four, let's not get any more explicit than that at this point. If or when John dies, I fully expect he will be stabbed in the torso in live face up with open eyes. Amidst growing pool of blood just like how he got killed by the Nightwatch mutineers at castle black in the season five finale occasional self reference. Are nice. But do you worry that it's a little bit too lazy or perhaps even spoiler? When a show uses too many call Bax to pass episodes during its final season. So rob I must admit that in our in our very busy twenty four hour period. Since all of the game of thrones action has been going down. I have not yet been able to listen to snow at all. So I apologize asking you to retread any ground here. But what is your take on the various callback that we heard throughout this episode? And do you think the problematic in any way? Do you think they spoil the future of the show? No, I talked to Spencer Spencer. You are getting yourself worked up. Okay. Everything is going to be fine that we just had a couple of things that were similar to the premiere episode of the show is the first episode of the final season. And that's fine. We can go back in and have some echoes of one is. Goes for but we're not necessarily having the same things happen. As like when the force awakens came out. There was a lot of people that said like, hey, isn't this the same exact movie Star Wars, a new hope, and you could certainly make that argument. But I don't see what happened here in. This. First episode is now that they are spoiling anything of how this is going to happen. And that everything that everything big plot point to come is going to be some version of something that they've already done on the show. Have you watched the shower for Star Wars, the rise of Skywalker? I did what did you think? It's fine. You could win emperor. Palpitation laughed. What is going on? What is going on? Where's he coming from? Did you see that somebody re cut the trailer? So that the emperor between laugh is replaced with Seth Rogan laughing. No, I did not see that. Is that feel like that's a good name in the making? Yeah. Whereas Qatada co dot com. Nuts could talk do. Okay. Seth Rogan re tweeted it anyway back on track for game of thrones. I tend to agree with you. I think that the Trump get so worked up, listen, we're we all have a lot at stake here. Everybody wants the show to end at the right way. You know? And I feel that. I definitely do I taught himself into something. That's not didn't happen yet. I think that for the most part, hopefully, a lot of the ways that the characters storylines. Resolve will have roots in their previous actions and. Previous moments from the show. But that's good writing for shadowing. Yeah. That's foreshadowing, it's it's bringing it's bringing characters full circle, or at least closing out some loops in in various cases, which really is bringing something full circle. If you're closing out a loop. I would say, but I mean, you look at a lot of the deaths throughout the show look at Ned stark the way that he dies he has his head removed in a public execution, and he is not killed by the person who's carrying the sentence is the person who's who carries. The sentence. Does not carry the sword in that case. And this very honorable man dies this very dishonorable death. When one of the very first notable things about Ned stark was him executing. A man beheading a man, and there's a lot of moments like that throughout the show ways that people's final fates connect to either their first appearances or hallmarks of their characters. Not the channel. And I think we'll probably see a whole lot of that throughout. And I think we'll see that beyond the context of death. I don't think it'll just be for death as we saw in winter fellas we saw on this episode that like Spencer says there's the kid who climbs the castles that calls back to both aria and brand in the first episode the whole procession of deniro showing up at Windsor pride vary. Similar to king, Robert. And I think that's fun. And I think in a lot of ways it's very easy shorthand in two into letting us appreciate just how far these characters have come on their journey, and how far the journey of game of thrones as an entity has has progressed, and I like that maybe that's not going to be for everybody. But I don't think that's a failing on the raiders part. But you don't feel like any parts of the show are spoiled for you because of things that have happened in the past. No, I think what's going to happen is like you're going to see you're going to see a brand of tar die in a way that is going to make you. Feel like oh that makes a lot of sense, given what happened earlier in the show, you know, to make up an example, which hopefully will not happen for your. Thing. But you know, that's that's what I'm expecting to see. And that's not going to be like this was ruined for me. It's like oh that connects and that's surprising. And that's delightful in the sense that you guys did a really great job of connecting these two points that won't be a spoiler for me. That will be a triumph for okay? All right moving on. Let's talk about Jon snow. Jon snow getting the very big news this week that he is not exactly who he thinks. He is father is not exactly thought he does. It was a big bombshell in Johnston has now found out that he is a gone tar Garin the sixth heir to the throne in all all that jazz. This is from Jack from Maryland who wants to know when do we think John is going to share what he just learned with everyone else will he have time before the impending battle. What do you think, rob? This was again, I could have very easily envisioned the scenario where John just never found out that he was gone area. Now, he knows at the very least. But can you envision the scenario where he just sits on this and doesn't tell anybody else? Yeah. That's a really good question on on the podcasts lesson. I was talking about that. I was really looking at this from the perspective of. How is denarius react to that news? Because early we know that John he is a very reluctant ruler. He could care less about being the king of anything sitting on. The iron throne is not something that's going to be on his bucket list anytime soon, but that Ferdinand says I feel like that she'll be very threatened if she learned this information. So I do think it would be very Jon snow to sit on this information. I think so too, especially if the battle is about to heat up if in the real time of the show, there's like a couple of days or even like odd day between now and the arrival of the night king. There's not a lot of time for John snowed awake poll deniro society. So listen that being said, John snow is nothing if not incredibly truthful, you know, he. Had a very hard time lying to serve. See Lancaster at the dragon pit in the season seven finale, even though if he had lied, if you just played along, maybe he would be spared, whatever terrible thing is going to come to the way of the army of the living courtesy of seriously because she realizes that she's been backed into a corner if John just lied about that. So is he going to do something stupid like that again like jeopardize everything by enraging generis and saying so listen, this is awkward, a you're my aunt and beyond actually the one who is the art of the throne. And I like that should be more mad about the second thing. I think so too. Should be very Schmidt. Inch man. Yeah. I never had an inch man. Yeah. So I think that Jon snow why risk upsetting. You know? We barely have all the northern houses fighting with the Starks at this point. If you tell the nurse. She could leave with her armies, so yeah, he's got everything to lose nothing to gain by telling people this information. Yeah. I still think that especially like John knows now and that can drive him a little bit moving forward in terms of the way that he is going to operate and that can all happen without him telling anybody else he could die. He can get killed off by the end of the show without having told anybody, and then the idea of Jon snow is this fabled warrior that was supposed to be on the iron throne and never made it. But instead he saved everybody saved the realms of men liking kind of fall into the pages of history without ever having to owned up to any. Of that. And that feels like that's fairly true to that type of character. Then again, it's hard to reconcile that with John snow the truth teller. So I'm not entirely sure where this is going to go. But I could see it falling either way. Okay. All right. How about how about some feedback from your friend of mine? Mr. Mike blue. Yes, please. Yes. Maistre Mike Roden. He wants to talk about denarius and John snow's half sister slash cousin Sansa, Mike says the premier took no time at all to show how awkward the interactions between Santa between Danny and the other Starks would be specifically with Sansa, and I fully confidence that the two will eventually come together to take on the night king because too loosely quote, brand ain't nobody got time for that. Yeah. My question is when and how do you think they'll be able to mend fences, my theory is that they'll pull them meet the parents and put Danny under a lie detector test and brand will serve as the human lie detector considering how he? Called little finger out in the season seven finale, what do you think about that? Looking at me, FOX. Are you looking at me? Does the dragon have nipples? Can you milk? The bread. Can you track? A man the cork and destroy the Syrians ashes. Yeah. Poor surpassed sparser pounds is ashes. So to me the like feuding with denarius about what is she looking for? I do think that that undercuts the dramatic tension of hey, Nike just burst through the wall Nike has a dragon Knight kings on his way to winter fell. And I feel like that we have a lot of characters that are very much concerned with the little finger stuff where they're very concerned with you know, who's going to run winter fell who's gonna run king's landing who's gonna sit on the iron throne. And I just feel like that the point that was the end of last season was that none of that matters. But it seems like there's a lot of people still thinking and talking about that. Yeah. I think so too. But I think it matters in so far. Far as like, the practical? And I hear where senses coming from. I think that like the feud that might be bubbling up here between Santa into narrow not even might be at this point. It clearly is this makes more sense to me than the Sansa and aria. I mean, anything makes more sense than saying, argh. But I think this makes more sense because you know, Santon points out like we had booth mapped out for a certain amount of people together through the winter. We can't like bead frigging dragons, we can't feed doth rocky arming, you've got no room for you. People. Most towns not gonna fit everybody. The winter town is not gonna fit everybody. So they have to have to figure this stuff out and on top of that John has. Summon hop. Bye for sure get a get a drew his way and send them up. Drew brees. They have to figure that out. And I think that Santa, you know, her her points are in large part reinforced by the Liana, more Mont stuff. Like, you bent the knee. We we rallied behind the king in the north. We got no idea what the dragon queens all about. And it's just another instance of John didn't consider anybody else and Sansa corners, John at one point in the episode. And it was like did you did you bend? The d. Did you bend the knee? Did you bend the knee home? My goodness to denarius because he thought was the right thing to do. Or is it because they're Nydia who is in love. And like he doesn't say anything. The answer is because he's in love. And I think it's going to be it's going to be very compelling to see how this stuff plays out. Because I really do think that the show is very clearly now it was some stuff that was in question along the way. And I think that the seventh season was really starting to make us question some of his actions, but this episode really highlighted when you contrasted hurt decision to execute the tar lease in from from that moment, which was already questionable because Tyrian was there. I don't know if this is the right call, and then you throw that out to Sam and have Sam process, what has happened to his father and his brother and have like conveying. This news kind of emotionlessly to the most reasonable person on the show, or at least one of them in the form of Sam. And the way he reacts to that and goes to John and his like, not only are you the air to the iron. Throne. But you really ought to be the king, and she really shouldn't be the queen's. She's crazy. You know? I think that the show really does want to consider those mad Queen qualities in a way that I don't think I fully appreciated coming into the final season. Okay. Just before we go any further with our feedback. Let me take a moment. We've got a new segment, and then we want to try out here on the feedback show. And here's what I wanted. Try. I wanted to talk about are not boring a moment of the week as in this moment was nuts. 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And I think John snow is like feeling those foul core vibes while he was on radio. All right. Well, whether you're going to work, if you're bored at work or leaving work these almonds are the perfect snack Honey roasted Saracho was sobbing soy of flavored white snack on boring chips when you can go to the store and pick up blue diamond almonds right now. Whatever the moment blue diamond almonds. It's the perfect snack. Don't deny your cravings. Go pick up some great players right now. Eat them. Blue diamond almonds crave. Victoriously? Okay. How quickly would you crush a bag of boring chicken flavored almonds, though? Well, it's pretty pretty asked that feels like a trick question. The dragons could use them almonds. They could use some moment. That was a great line. Right. Wind wouldn't dinars his ass when it drags eating whatever they want except they are not eating. I know there and didn't they have like eighteen goats? And then to narrow response like that's not enough. It's not enough the hardly eating the hardly eating. So let's take them for a joyride. Yeah. Yeah. I'm enjoying that. Right. Yeah. Diamond almond joy that right? All right show, shall we move for through our feedback. What's get into some iron islands stuff? Why not the show did a little iron island stuff? We should do. This is from Stephanie to you and me, Stephanie writes in all right, guys. I've been stewing over this premier and the seemingly randomness of a lot of these scenes in conversations that was thrown at us in the first episode and one that is sticking with me is the lackluster rescue of Yarra, gray joy was the scene that seemed to easy all Justice setup or heroes all lose the battle to the Annette and ultimately retreat to the iron islands leaving the white walkers and the Nike to take on, sir. She and her army does this all end with the Nike sitting on the iron throne, while a new kingdom is set up in the iron islands where the white walkers cannot go. Yeah. What do you think? The what was the point of resolving the iron islands stuff? This earl. Which I could not disagree more with with Steph Stephanie of the world, I'm so happy that it was over so quickly. Yeah. We touched on this a little bit last night. I couldn't we just throw out the idea of the night king sitting on the iron throne in terms of like why does he want to sit on the iron throne? He doesn't. I mean, the night king is it would be like if aliens we're going to invade earth to go and become the president that go sit in the Oval Office. Like why why would this chair matter to somebody who is not of this world? Definitely now imagining the martians from Mars attacks west rose vying for the iron throne. I mean, the night king is now he's sitting there on the iron throne and like night king first of his name. I want Jack Nicholson's character from that movie to sit on the iron throne and to meet the night king and have his whole why can't we all just get along? Yeah. That'd be great. Underrated movie. Okay. So in terms on happening. I agree. I think we can wipe Nike. I mean, we can continue to consider victory for the whitewater or. Yeah. I think that's on the table. Stephen, texas. It was zero percent chance. I think it's on the table. It's off the table. I think it's a low chance, but I think it's other table, right? But that being said, so I think that we are probably not gonna see that much more about what's going. I can't imagine that we end up in a scenario where things are going so bad that Inara to fall back to the iron islands. I agree that being said, I think I think you're on will absolutely obviously die at some point this season. And I still think theon probably will as well. And I think what needed to happen here. And why this needed to be resolved? So quickly was because I think theon needs a win the on needs to get his groove back to some degree. He needs to Yarra Yarra Yarra stuff get through that really quickly. So that he can feel galvanized and ready to to get to winter fell to join that fight to be of use there. And the use that he'll provide is not one that. I think that he goes there intending. I'm feeling like theon is going to be the chaperone at the exact right time. Like, I think that the the white walkers and the night king. They're going to arrive at winter fell and mess everything up even more going to die a UK characters or going to escape maybe a bunch of characters maybe a bunch of main characters will escape John, and Danny will be able to drag it off to wherever they need to go. But theon with the one ship that he's taking to go and join the winter fell fight. I think that is going to be very lucky timing for some people who need to escape winter fell and get out of the north wants the north gets really really bad. So I think that's that's the big reason why I think they need to resolve the Yarra stuff quickly. Because now they need to get theon in place to be kind of like a days ex mock enough for for some of these characters, and maybe he is the guy who then ferries them to there. Next place. Maybe he dies somewhere in that rescue attempt, and they just need a different character. Who knows a thing or two about sailing ships? I e Dabo see worth to still be alive to commandeer that graduate ship thinking, you know, I think something like that could be landing you think. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. And I think it would make a lot of sense if if the on is either dead and Davos has taken over the ship or its just Avas his idea that it's well established that that is a man who knows how to how to smuggle his way into king's landing. So I think all of that kind of for me that feels like it rights itself. Yeah. What everybody in the north should do is sale to Dohrn? So that they really get the jump on, sir. See because then sir c would have to fight the night king. I. Well, that might not be a bad segue into this theory that we got thrown our way this is from Randy Randy road and said, I believe that, sir. See is going to give up her unborn son to the night king or an alliance with only twenty thousand soldiers and no elephants from the golden company. I don't see any other play. Is it really that? Crazy. If sir seeing the night king team up I give it a mining ninety nine. Yeah. Keep in mind. She already has an undead soldier working for her. What do you think about the possibility of, sir? See in the night king getting in bed with one another in terms of what's your own? Oh. Get new chant other than making does have like those like woolly mammoths, right? He's got stuff. We don't know. The full extent of what he's got. He's he could have ice spiders, which would be crazy. So I can't see, sir. See than I mean first off, sir. See how far along is. She is she a month pregnant here. So I don't know if we're gonna have a time jump here in these five episodes doubtful highly. So I don't know how we're at the scenario where it's like if sir c was you know, almost two term we can talk about it. But I don't think that that is a one baby is not going to necessarily satisfy whatever the night kings looking for. There's a lot of chatter about the night king for a character who did not appear in this episode. A lot of people have questions about the night king. In fact, two different people named Zack wrote in with the same theory about the night king. I will just read one of them is from again. In your pal in mind act Brooks wrote in and said did the Nike Syjuco he made with the number kid. Look tar Gary ish to you. I thought about it a few times that when we've seen that worlwide Nike pattern before. But not so but never so overtly as when it lit on fire, plus the camera held that shot for a while. So it's gotta be important as this mean, we're getting some tar Garin Nike in connection is the Nike and going to be a tar Garin ancestors that why he can ride a dragon. And is that why he couldn't kill Jon snow because he is his ancestor. What do you think about this also written by Zachary who who wanted to know if he was over thinking the idea that maybe the Nike is actually a tar Garin? I think we've talked along the way about the possibilities. Rob that the target not the target at the night king that the Nike and could potentially have some sort of link to house stark. Are we missing it is it actually house tar Aaron? And did you think that the deciduous that was lit up at last? Hearted that look tar Gary and ask to you. So it did not at the time. I'm looking at it now, and I definitely can see it. But I think it's a stretch. Not buying. I'm not buying. I'm not either. Yeah. It'd be nice. If I disagreed with you. So we can have like a contentious back and forth. But I don't buy. I think so I don't think so I mean, we've we've seen this pattern associated with the children of the forest. Many times we saw it in the in the cave. Drawings back in season seven when when John and Danny go into the dragon soon cave, and you can see that pattern. Is there we've seen it with the children of the forest in these in season six's the door the hold the door episode where we get the confirmation that the children of the forest created the white walkers out of out of men that they had captured by dry driving dragon glass into their hearts. So my thinking is that that that symbol has has meaning has resonance within the children of the forest and the white walkers are reclaiming that symbol they're reclaiming that symbol from their ancestors. There. Being the children of the forest, and they're like perverting that symbol for their own use as their own rallying cry like they're taking that back. They're using that as a declaration of their new March down on the realms of men and desecrating, the the, you know, the leftovers of west rose that the children of the forest had left behind so many thousands of years earlier, and I don't view it as much more than that. There could be something that comes up in the next few episodes that really clarifies it in a much more specific way. I just don't think that we have that on the show yet. I think all we have on the show is its association with the children of the forest and during all that time there weren't target areas. There were there were no targe areas. During the time that the children of the forest were creating the white walkers except for maybe some tar Garin ancestors in old Valeria, but that was unconnected to everything that was going on in west rose. So I have a hard time seeing it. I know it's it's a really. Popular theory online right now, it's just it's not one that I'm buying into the symbols look relatively similar, but not not close enough. I think that they're distinct enough that they're different things. I do think that this is the kind of thing though, that is going to get game of thrones in trouble in the final season where we're talking about characters and the more we talk about characters the better chance, I think the show has to stick the landing when we are inventing and inserting mysteries that are going to be revealed in these next five episodes. Oh, it's a message from the night king. What did the message mean? Now, we need a satisfying answer to this mystery that nobody was caring or thinking about two days ago. So now, this is the thing that it's going to be very hard to have a satisfying answer to this question. Yeah. I mean, look, what's let's have. Let's have fun on these Bod casts. Let's have fun with these final few episodes. Let's let's back these things back and forth. Let's talk about these things. Let's let's posit the possibilities. Let's meditate on all the possible directions that this could go. But if you are somebody who is listening to this, and you have any place any stock or value in Robin myself as game of thrones fans, and what we tend to be interested in with game of thrones. I think I could I could speak for you here in rob and say, I don't think either of us would really are thinking about these questions too much as we're looking for a satisfying end for game of thrones. I think those satisfying stuff for us. We'll be out of characters are going to resolve. And how sort of like that the meat and potatoes aspects of the story are going to wrap themselves up. Yeah. I just don't think that there is any chance that there is a satisfying answer to that question. And so it's not something I want to spend a lot of time thinking about. Yeah. So we've got one more question about the about the night kings. Warning, this is from Bridget. He says I was just wondering about the symbol on the wall with the number boys burning body when it was set on fire. It was eerily similar to the tar Garin. How symbol could Danny be the target for the night king? Are they warning us that Danny would not be a good ruler? Do you think that there's any targe aerienne association whatsoever? I could this be specifically pointing at somebody like denarius rather than it'd be pointing at the Nike himself being targeted. I mean, the night king did have a pretty clear shot onto narrative. His whole thing was making sure Damaris never becomes the person that sits on the iron throne. I feel like he would have probably handled the events of beyond the wall differently agreed. I mean doesn't mean that's not what he's thinking. But I don't think that he seems motivated by that particular concern, let's move away from the night king. Let's talk about let's talk about who's actually sitting on the iron throne in something that she is planning. This is this is about sir c and a different character in the king's landing story arc and let's turn to our good friend. Brendan of house Fizi who writes in and says, what did you guys think, sir? See trying to contract out the killing of Tyrian and Jamie to Bron. I think it's an interesting way to keep Brown on the shown involved, but not sure it's gonna work out for him. Did this come as a surprise to you at all rod that this is like a storyline. That is even being introduced in this episode because if it's being introduced in this episode, in some way, shape or form Bron with his like his land sort of loyalties being tested is going to be at least a fairly major beat for that inheritor moving. Yeah. So you, and I talked about this in the rewatch of how were they gonna get Braun involved because Jamie left him behind in king's landing and serves to kind of has no use for him. So what is his story in season eight? So we have this introduced to get Braun to where all of the action is going on in winter fell. Stephen brought up something really interesting last night that we both felt like no way Braun is actually going to kill Jamie or Tyrian. But Stephen pointed out that crossbow is going to go off that that crossbow that killed taiw- in Lancaster who is going to be the ultimate recipient of a crossbow arrow from that weapon. Great question. Let's talk about some of the possibilities. I think that you could imagine you could imagine Jamie getting killed in that way. I think I think I think we have to consider any one of the Lancasters getting killed in that way like that could work for safety. Yes. Generally, you know. Especially the more time Winnie, and she becomes for her to to die in that capacity. I think would make some sense. For Tyrian to have the crossbow returned to him. I think could make some sense. The other thing that I would like to consider is that that crossbow doesn't go off. But a different crossbow does. And it's one that has already gone off on the show. And that is it is called the scorpion is the name of the gigantic crossbow that was used in season seven that Maistre Khyber and introduced back then and was used by Bron to attempt to at least attempt us, ask Nate Denison, the dragons and managed to wound drogue on with that was it. It's back in the opening credits. When you when you look in the opening credits, and they and they crawl through king's landing one of the last things you see as you're going through king's landing, and you're in I believe, you're you're you're. I don't know what it's called off the time. I had him starting very fried. But it's the it's underneath the red. Keep and you see Bhilare, Ian dread. And you see the scorpion. There that's pointing at the skulls head, and then you're thrust backup into the throne room. And I wonder if that's just there as just like kind of like a fun detail and a nod back to last season and just like you're filling out space in the red keep, but I think that we should be paying pretty close attention to these opening credits. I bet there's a lot of Easter eggs in there that in retrospect are going to make a lot more sense. Victor. It's it is. Indeed. So I think that the bringing like the idea of the crossbow into the show and saying like this has to go off. I don't know that necessarily has to be that cross Bill. I think that it could be the scorpion. And I think that the plan to kill one of Danny's dragons via the scorpion. Maybe that's not off the table. After all maybe like in the later stage of this final season if deniro's and John go to king's landing, they've defeated the night king or whatever at that point. Maybe sir is able to get a shot off. And maybe something like that is about to go down. Okay. We'll say it's a possibility. Do you have a prediction of who's gonna get cross bowed? Should we just lock one in? Should we just like make these these predictions along the way I feel like surf see ultimately is going to get the crossbow? I like that. I think that's fun. Okay. How about one last one for you? This is from padraic racer poject racer. The great Padraig racer writes in and says did last night's episode shift. Your thoughts on who will end up on the throne. Sam was pushing against narrows ending on the throne. But I'm not sure that John a reluctant leader can pay off. Again, is the view of the show going to be a variation on. The Doug was Adams, quote, anyone who's capable of getting themselves made king of west rose should on no account be allowed to do the job. I am much higher on the chance at the throne being gone than I was one day ago. So we talked about this at the start of the podcast a little bit, rob that you have the locked in prediction from our our preseason podcast that no one will wind up on the iron throne in not knowing in the aria sense, but known in the literal sense, and I had denarius on the iron throne. I'm feeling less confident about my pick and feeling more confident in yours. Where are you at with the iron throne of at all? Yeah. I didn't feel like that deniro. Had that down of a night where really, you know, she had a bad meeting with Sam and not even that she was real terrible to Sam that Sam found out what went on with Tara lease which I kind of feel like that. He probably would have found that out a little bit sooner. I'm not going to nitpick that too much and he feels like no. I think that she's not the right leader. But I think that there are a lot of things that are gonna sort themselves out in these battles that we're going to say, yeah, I think the thing though, is that the show is asking us pretty directly to question to narrows as somebody who is fit for the iron throne, and to me that could still result in deniro's being on the iron throne. If it means that she herself will get to a place of actually questioning what she's done. I think that there's there's ways to make that happen. I think she could find out about John snow and be really frigging angry about it furious and pissed about it. And then she could lose a lot. Yeah. Which I think she stands to lose any way. She could lose more dragons one or both. She could lose friends like grey, worm and Masan day and jerem more Mont could all die very soon. Totally on the table. She could lose them in deeply traumatic ways. I think like there's no way. Wouldn't be somewhat traumatic, but it could be asked traumatic as her own on dead. Dragon roasting these people alive with blue fire Johnson. Sting them with the blue diamond fire. Jon snow could you know sacrifice himself for the greater cause. And in heiress. Could learn a lot from all this and maybe suffer, you know, some some humility in the way that she has been going about business, and maybe with the lack of Jon snow and the continued existence of a Sam while tar we who can then speak to generis on the terms that he actually feels perhaps she will be at a place at that point to hear that stuff. Maybe. And maybe maybe she can be the Queen that she really ought to be if she is going to be somebody that we can feel fantastic about ruling. But I think that the current, you know, operating procedure of donaire star Garin is something that game of thrones. As a story very much wants us to think about is it so such a good standard operating procedure. And to me the bar is pretty low for a ruler on the iron throne. I think in eight. Of the show. I think the greatest ruler westering has ever nominees king, Tom and. I think that denarius would be a great upgrade over any of the rulers that we've had and I think Tom would be better talented by better with the right team of advisers around him for the cats. He did, you know, try to install the high. Sparrow, also. Yeah. But he didn't know any better. He didn't know any better. So that's that's part of the problem. All right. That's all I got. That's good for our inaugural feedback show. The final game of thrones. Like game of thrones episode number one of season eight we set the table for the feedback show. Now, you know what to do? Now, you know where to Email G O T at post show, recaps dot com or use our feedback link. You could also leave us a voicemail at post show. Recaps dot com slash voice mail. Was there any other ways that was? Yeah. The feedback forum. 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Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 2 Recap - 15 Minute Break

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Game of Thrones Season 8 Episode 2 Recap - 15 Minute Break

"My little buds told me, there was a podcast rising within the ram as master of whispers, I pride myself on having is throughout the kingdom's, I listened to the clock dodgers podcast as any wise. Men shoot. Subscribe podcast are coming in wants to raise this one. And I am it's Plimmer. House for the Daffae's. Isn't it? Forget. Being forgotten. I forget where we've been what we've done. We're not men anymore. Just on. You'll memories don't come from folks, you'll stories on just stories. If I wanted to raise the world of non started with you to Shay Sam. Well, tar lead to shame, my friend. Yes. Just like that brand becomes a white Walker bait. That's how we're gonna do this game of thrones season. Eight episode to fifteen minute break recap. It's happening. These in Germany is happening what up to the clock. Dodger family out there. If you're not watching game of thrones I really can't make sense if you right? I don't know what you're looking for, in life, besides the greatest entertainment ever put into a TV show, that's neither here near there, because I want to talk about season to, which that does plenty to talk about including that clip. You just heard where brand lets everybody know they're in this war room. You know, we're finally getting all these characters together in one room, right? To discuss defendant, something or you know, fighting for something. And, you know brand throws it out there that he is. You know what the night king wants now? Of course, it's he's not all it wants. But he's a big. You know he he's a big. He's a he's a big part of it. Right. And so he's coming straight for that, do if he can get a hold of him. And. It's a perfect plan. It makes sense. And I hope it works. I mean, we seen some of the trailer for the next episode it looks like it's going to get crazy. I'm thinking is going to be the craziest fight scene. We've ever seen on game of thrones, which knowing from past seasons some of the amazing fight scenes that we've had, you know, the amazing wars, the all this crazy stuff to think that there's something even better than what we've already seen is hard to imagine. It's, it's a crazy thought the, the big impact, I feel here, obviously, a lot of people are gonna die as pretty clear, unless you know, game of thrones pull something on as where, you know, this, this plan really works. But I highly doubt that what is game of thrones without blood gore death white walkers dragons, all this crazy stuff? Right. So the, the, the reason this war this little battle here is gonna make the biggest impact, I think, is that people were going to lose and. You know, some, you know, the, the, the positive people don't wanna think that we're gonna lose a lot of these characters that we just seen on this episode from from so too. But I, but I believe it was a farewell to some of them as we were getting to see their stories kind of come full circle. You know, we're kinda getting to see them live and die with honor. We're, we're, we're, we're going to get some clothes stories on episode three I believe of season eight but it's very cool. How they have how they brought everybody together how. You know, they made a real point to show like, you know, Lancaster's fighting for the Starks or for the north, we got people who betrayed each other who attempted to kill each other who you know have nothing but distaste for each other. Now here they all are having to fight for each other. Right. As Jamie Landis said, you know, he'd rather fight for the living. Right. And it's, it's it's funny as someone who's watched his show, all along. Some of these characters you hate it at one point, or another, like Jamie, Lancaster still braided. Right. I mean you, you could have liked his character this whole time but the hated him right there. The idea was for him to be the bad guy. And I and I love these kind of I love when shows do this. This twist and movies and stuff where you have a guy who's the ultimate Bagai. Right. He's the ultimate nemesis. Like he does everything wrong. Everything bad. They make you hate them. They build him up to this beyond belief, evil person. And then they try to flip the script on you not to. Engine a show that nobody would even say would hold a candle to game of thrones. But Walking Dead is trying to do that now with neon. And so that's kind of what we're getting with Jimmy Landes are, and this is my favorite kind of character, right? When you when you flip the ultimate Bagai, the guy who has done, you know, things beyond belief things, unimaginable, things that you would never want to forgive somebody for. And now you're going to try to make me forgive him. That's some powerful ship 'em. That's the kind of stuff. I love, I love that kind of stuff. And there's a few characters in this episode who have now come to fight for the north against a white walkers, who they've done that with right? Theon some Kosei the hound there. There's a few of them here, I guess, at some point in the seasons you might have had a lot of these characters one way or the other. It's very cool. How they're treating this episode. They treated this episode as if it was, you know, everyone's going to die kind of stuff, right like everyone's getting together. Everybody's drinking. I mean, what's new in the semi gains everyone drinks, but everyone's drink, and even those who don't drink very often were drinking. People are having sex. I mean they're just they're just doing everything, right? Because they figure this is our last night alive that it really gets you thinking like if this was you if you put yourself in their shoes, would you do it any differently? I mean, of course now you would drink get fucked up if I can have sex, do all these kinds of things like they're, they're trying to, I don't wanna say, make light of it, but they're trying to make sure that if this is their last day that they're enjoying it. There's, there's some signs that people are pointing towards you know, the song that was saying during the show on the end of the credits that it may be a sign. It may be a sign the John's no doesn't make it to the end of the season. And the deniro's does take the throne. That's another big part of this episode. Right. He finally revealed to her what he learned on last week's episode that he really is in line to be the next of the throne, which you can read that different ways. Right. You see the look on her face at obviously, was interrupted by what's going on now. But do you I'm curious what you guys think do you think that she was upset? Do you think that she was just a little confused? Like, what's the next move now or does anyone out there think that she was upset? That's what I'm curious about. I'm curious if there's anyone out there who thought she was upset. So if you thought she was upset him. Yup. And let me know anyone to let me know what you thought. I'm you can eat him. You have an Instagram or Twitter. I'm cure. What the cloud your family out there is thinking on that and how this is gonna play. Gimme gimme your theories. Give me your theories on the Jon snow deniro's relationship moving forward. Do they both die here in the north? Do they continue their in sexual relationship and, and kind of, you know, one backs down to the other, or do they become competition with each other? And some sort of way for the throne. I'm curious your theories on how that plays out not spoilers. Just nice fun predictions here. I'm curious what you guys think because, you know, we don't do the whole spoiler tip as far as this episode. It was cool to see Rianne get knighted that was very cool. Her little secret admirer was not secret admirer I love this story about the giants. That was hilarious. It was some really good moments on this episode. This episode will go down. I have to feel like as one of the best episodes of a game of thrones and I feel like that's probably going to happen with this entire last season. Right. We're gonna come away every episode. My man that was one of the best episodes of the season. It's just the I mean you're jammed pack in all of this into this little bit of episodes is the final season. I mean how there's not really a filler episode. The first one may have been the most filial get Charney catch everybody up, even though I hate those ketchup episodes, go. I feel like if you're watching him with their own you don't aid these ketchup. She should have been doing that research on the back end man. But yeah, this was a wild crazy episode. I loved it. I'm excited that next episode is to be nothing. But chaos nothing but fight nothing. But craziness, and, you know, again, who's going to be left standing after that, right? You do you feel. I mean, there's no way the north loses. Right. Could game thrones director? And writers to us. I mean, there's no way that everyone dies here, and they'd just go the white walkers, just go on to king's landing there, right? I mean that wouldn't make sense or at least it wouldn't be a fun story for everybody. But, you know, there's so much that's going to happen, this next episode is gonna mean so much I assume at the fight starts, and ends on that episode. I can't imagine you're dragging out pass at episode but, but there's so much things that, that is going to weigh on that episode. We'll see who comes out of it alive, who doesn't I'm curious, if you guys have any. You know surprise death. So you think will happen in this episode. It will be very interesting to see aria finally did the dance did the nasty. Not sure everyone was here for that. Not sure we were we were looking for that. No offense to aria. But, you know, you've created this cold cold Sassan killer, and you're making her, you know, I don't know. We weren't really no one. No one was waiting for that moment. Right. Nobody was looking forward to that. But it has happened in it is what it is. We'll see where it takes us, you know, in that sense. And I you know, there's so many story lines so many things that come from this, you know, I'm trying to cram this into fifty minutes, but I just wanted to quickly chop it up, what you guys about this, and kinda get, you know, kinda get the conversation started. It's your mom. My fellow clock dodger family yet are also slash game with thrown. You know degenerates like myself. What we're we're out with all this. How how we feel about what's going on some predictions that we? Have honest, you know, get the conversation move in. You know what I'm saying? And if you don't like him with their owns again. I mean, obviously you shouldn't even be listening to this episode right now. It's not for you. But you hate listen. I guess if that's your thing, it does. You know, some people enjoy that kind of stuff. Some people get down like that. The other thing was interesting was man. Brand is killing it, right. Brands role is killing it. I love I love how they're having that all unfold how they're having it play out. It's interesting because like he's supposed to know the future to. Right. Not just the Passo like. He doesn't say much, though, right? How how come nobody asks him? Hey how does this thing play out? They know no one ever says. Hey, brand, by the way, they do eat die, or live at the end of this thing. But, you know, right you have some idea you kind of have some handsome clues. You could drop like come on, like how can nobody asked this question? They this dude is like, and I kinda wonder because a Tyrian you know, talk to him, but he didn't see any of it, and I'm curious if he did tell them anything or they're just saying, like it wasn't important. You know, I'm curious about that because Tyrians said he feels like they're gonna actually live. I don't think that brands at, hey, everyone's gonna live or whatever, but no one ever harasses brand, man like brands got all the fucking scoop. We live in to, you know, they're not living the gossip has always been at thing, right? Gossip stories drama, like Brad's got it all brand knows everything. It's going to happen. Now. He knows that the same plays out. That's why you hit what's his name, Jamie with the how do you know you're going to be here after this whole thing like he knows what's up and no-one? No-one no-one no-one is no one's asking for too much from brand. No one's asking for too much. But as cool, everybody is coming together as cool. How they're pulling this together. I just wish he would really ask brands and more questions. If if this was two thousand eighteen brand is the interview that you would want, right? He he's the guy that if they had TMZ back then brand wouldn't be able to get away from the guys. Right. That's who you would want sock. Man brands got all the info he's got all the info. But seriously though, it was a great episode one of the one of the best episodes ever. This whole scene is has has had me outta my seat. Right. I have a heart attack and every every fucking turn. You never know what's going to happen. Is this is going to be beautiful? That's going to be beautiful. Again. Guys hit me up on Twitter or Instagram. Let me know your thoughts, let me know. Your predictions, let me know you know who you think's gonna die who thinks gonna live. How do you think the night, king dies? Right. Who you think's gonna who you think's going to be the one that kills 'em? That's another interesting one. We all assume that Jon snow is, is the guy right for everything. But do you think he's really going to be the one to kill him? I think theon dies. I don't think theon Louis past that. I think the night came does get in there to get brand and actually kills the on. I think the entrees defended on her and dies there. That's my prediction, not a spoiler not that I've read in the books, not something I've seen, you know, behind the scenes. That's just my that's just my assumption. So that is one character, I think is a goner. So now you you hit me up. You let me know. Your predictions, you let me know either a character that you think is in die who thinks in kill the night, king. How you think this wars? I mean. Do. There's so many ways as play out the drag is we're not even talking about the dragons, the dragons is crazy. This is dragons about a comment like so nuts. And then what happens after this, man. We'd just the rest of the season just plays out with them going in and fighting Kingsland. And I don't know. I don't know man, part of me wishes the night king could've seen seriously face to face and did his thing there. But obviously that's not going to happen. Or why don't know if it's gonna happen. We have no clue disagree. The same game of thrones is the writers, the directors have, honestly kept us on our toes the entire time. Nothing has been predictable. Everything has been exciting twists turns evil murder sex drinking. It's just a, it's a great story. It's a great show. I look forward episode three hit me up guys, let's, let's keep the conversation role in. I wanna hear your thoughts. I want to hear your opinions. I this is fun, man. We only got like five more episodes left to this. Come on five episodes, six more episodes, four more resources. It's crazy. Man. I'm lost. All I know is he's episode to his great. I can't you guys later much love as always be kind. Be great. Keep dodging in the holes of the kings who all gone, Johnny would with a go. Though, on she had lost on the ones she had. On the ones who had enough to the mall. The ones who'd been gone for so very long. She couldn't remember the name. They spun around on the dime old stone spun away, all her sorrow a.

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Game of Thrones Season 8 Finale Recap - 15 Minute Break

Clock Dodgers Podcast - Motivation | Fantasy Football | Comedy | Pop Culture

16:21 min | 2 years ago

Game of Thrones Season 8 Finale Recap - 15 Minute Break

"My little buds told me, there was a podcast rising within the ram as master of whispers, I pride myself on having is throughout the kingdom's I listened to the clock. Dodgers podcast as any wise. Men shoot. Subscribe podcast are coming. And she met at the slavers of Astor pool. Chill? No input. The slavers complained after all, they were even men. When she crucified hundreds of MIR knees nobles, who could argue they were evil men. The Dauth Raqi coz she burned alive. They would have done worse to her. Have you? She goes evil men die, and we cheer for it. And she grows more powerful than more sure that she is good. And right. She believes a destiny is to build a better world for everyone. If you believe that. You truly believed it, wouldn't you kill whoever stood between you in paradise walk up to the clock. Dodgers podcast. I'm your host Neal. This is a fifteen minute break game of thrones recap for the season. Finale episode six of season, eight, it's over. It's all over man. This is it. It's done. It's the, the journey that we've been on for ten years is over. If you have not seen the finale for game of thrones in turn this damn episode off because whereabout to this shit. Add it for you. I don't wanna hear anybody complaining about it. We have a lot to discuss if fifteen minutes. So this episode maybe rushed, just like season eight of Gema throws. I had to say that it was too easy. It was easy to take the shot I had to take it. But listen before we get into anything else. Can we, please give Peter Dink ledge major fucking love for killing his role that little clip from the show, right there from the show? I mean, you know, I don't think it's any question that he was the best actor on this show this episode put his, you know, his his skills on display. One last time, I'm going to miss Tyrian a lot man, I was a dote character. No matter what you say about game of thrones. I mean, you gotta admit that Tyrian is one of the best characters you've ever seen on our show, period. He killed that role. Now, let's get onto some press matters for those who have been asking, for just straight up my feelings on the finale and game of thrones as a whole obviously because I do this podcast weekly for the game of thrones. Recaps we've been doing it for a few years now. You know you wanted to know what I thought about it. A lot of people have been really hard on it. I've been Cape in for game of thrones. Upper in protecting. You know, I, I, I haven't criticized it as heavily as some have as a whole, it's still my top show ever. And again, full disclosure for any new listeners. This is the first time you've ever heard the podcast I have not seen every show in the world, yet, not even some of the shows that many claim to be the best shows ever shows like the wire breaking bad. There's, there's tons of them. I, I haven't seen them all. So I have I have an opportunity to go back, still and watch those shows and will they change my point of view. I don't know. I don't know how to see them still so don't scream. The wire was better Brigham by was better. I get it. It's cool. Like, it's your opinion. Right. We're all we all have we all have that choice? I have an opinion and for me game of thrones whether it disappointed, you're not is my favorite show ever. And as his what it is. I'm not saying it's your favourite show ever. It's my favorite show ever. See how that works. I must say also that game of thrones. For everything that, you know, people say about it. We, we seen on a weekly basis, how many viewers it had. We seen that. It crushed it year after year. This is a big win for like science fiction fantasy type TV shows. I can't think of another TV show that was in that you know that fictional space with dragons, and, you know, stuff like that, that ever reached the level of the heights of game of thrones. Right. So or even got close to it for that matter. Obviously Walking Dead has done pretty well. It's been around forever, though. And there there's a few other ones that are that are pretty good. There's not an honest saying that they're bad. But there's you know, there's plenty of movies that have done really well in that space. But for TV shows, I feel like it did really well. And I don't know if he will thought that it ever could be done on a TV show level. Like, you know, you hear a lot of people, especially when game of thrones like I came out, then as it started to bubble that has the whole world's are talking about it. You always have the. I don't like dragons. I don't watch dragons for I was the same way. I was the same way even with even with Walking Dead and stuff like zombies. I don't watch ambi- movies. They do nothing for me. But I like Walking Dead, right? Like walking to, you know and so game of thrones, you know, you gotta give some credit to that. Because I don't know you know, if, if more will come because of that, because of the success that it had, you know, we'll see, you know, obviously, we consumed it ridiculously high levels. I'm down for them to give us more. I know prequels and sequels have been talked about Siamese for them. I'm not in a rush necessarily, but I would one hundred percent beyond board. I know has been confirmed that at least one is coming for prequel. I think set like five thousand years before everything we watched on game of thrones. So we won't see the same character as the actors nothing like that. But you know, I'm down for it. I hope it's good. Here's my take, though, on the finale episode we could sit here and pick this thing apart. We, we. Weakened tear it down left. And right. If we wanted to we could think of outcomes that we would prefer the list of should've and could've would really never end. We put our mind to it. However, I'm not mad how it ended. I understand why it ended this way. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it the shortened season and the quickness that we've discussed on past episodes, certainly sucked. Right. We know the show moved at an incredible pace, especially this season. Which definitely brought a set of issues into question. There's no doubt about it. Anyone who's been listening to me, this whole time you could say, 'i stand for the show, you could say up on my Cape on even joke about it. But in reality, no one's going to deny the fact that the show moved to fuck fast. Right. That still doesn't ruin the show for me. Right. A water bottle of Starbucks Cup. They don't ruin the show for me. I honest honestly did not see those things watching the show. So we're just lets you know that they didn't affect my view in of the show, we with this particular episode, my only question would brand being the king is I this dude knew all along, how this shit was gonna play out and in previous episodes, he kept acting all three I raven. And, you know, at the last episode flips the script, like, what, what do you think I've come all this way for like you said you do wash it no more, bro? You said you didn't want anything. The fuck. So I can look past this past because I get the big picture, right? I get the big picture. I get why they did it. I also understand, like this kind of been the plan, all along. And again, the rush season may be made it harder. See I, I try to I try to, you know how this perspective where if the season wasn't rush if there was two more seasons ago. If we even just had a full ten episodes, this season or something, I would understand that you would build this out a little bit better for me, right? You, you kinda gave it to me like every other TV show would still better than those TV shows. But you kind of give you kind delivered it to me like some of those other shows would that I wouldn't put as the best shows ever. So even with that I still put you at the top for me. But. That, that was that kind of fucked with me, as far as him being the king, I get no problem with it. But, you know, I I you know, that's kind of issue with the brand situation on the other rush scene. For me was when John killed in ariz-. They literally, you know they have this beautiful scene as emotional, he does what he has to do. The dragon does what did it has to do with fuck it breaks the wheel, basically, it does what the nurse wanted to do by Milton thrown in shit? But, you know, I wanted to see like the whole time, it's happening. I go, but what happens now? Like you know what? What, what happens when they find out that John Kielder, you know, are they gonna he's got to fight his way out of this place? What's going to happen, and you described it skipped it? You just you're like, okay, two weeks later Johnson jail, like, come on man that we could have had a really awesome scene there. So these are the things I'm talking about that, when you rushed it, you took what you would have normally gave us and pass seasons. I'm not gonna say the show. I'm not gonna take the show off my top list because of that. But I, I wish it would have been there. I'm gonna feel. You know, we'd never got that. So then we deserved also would've loved to see great women Jon snow, you know, dote out without it. We've been dope. I thought it was going to happen the way he started playing this step. So it out. But again, if you gave us a regular episode you probably would've gave his that I'll go on record saying that I would have been a hundred percent satisfied with denarius live in and being the Queen and scored in the seven kingdoms over the brand outcome. I, I would have preferred denarius still being the Queen and doing whatever, you know, shish she had to do game of thrones. Always gave me chaos and so end in it that way would've worked for me. I could've took I, I would have handled the dark end I would live with that. I would have enjoyed that what a preferred that because game of thrones always gave me what I didn't expect game of thrones, you know, show that it didn't always have to go the happy way. So I would I prefer, I would have preferred that not saying I'm knocking the brand outcome. But I would have preferred that. HBO wanted ten seasons. The game of thrones. We wanted ten seasons of game of thrones. The guys in charge of giving us ten seasons. Didn't want it that way, therefore they rushed a couple of seasons and we got what we got again, even with that. It's still my favorite show. I have not seen the wire, I've not seen breaking bad. I have not finished some other seasons of shows. Yes, you're right. Calmed down. It's still my favorite show. It's just is what it is. Honestly, no matter how this show ended, they would never please everyone. That's just how life works. That's how great things work. They would never have pleased everybody. George r r Martin who is the writer of the game of thrones books to true creator he. No. He wrote he writes, the books he had this to say in regards to how hill end the books. How would all end this is quote? This is Dr Martin quote. How will it all end? I hear people asking Martin writes, the same as the show different. Well, yes. And no. And yes, and no. And yes, and no. And yes, I'm working in very different media. Than David and Dan, never forget they had six hours for this final season. I expect these last two books of mine will three thousand manuscript pages between them before. I'm done. So he's not even saying that his won't end this way. Don't forget, the George Martin did work with these guys to help create the show. So he may have told them how he plans on end in it in a quick version. And that's what we got a quick version of it. He has more characters in his books. He's in a play things out. He has that luxury to play it all out in his books, which the guys didn't want to do for whatever the reason was right. I can't you know, I can't speak to that. I have no clue why they wanted to, to rush it that way. But for sure it does make me wanna go read the books. I've never read the books. I know that would be a task. How I'm not exactly. I've never exactly taken on anything of that magnitude reading wise lately, at least, but it's kinda does pique my interest. Now, more just to see how he's gonna do it, which he's been right in this last book, I think for like seven years or something. Easy like that for anyone who wants to read a really good breakdown on how the show ended in some different thoughts on it. I did come across which are highly recommended article by got him. David Crowe for den of geek dot com. Call this was always the end in I after every episode I start frigging hitting up all the sites is he? Hi. Everybody else felt about it. You know what I mean? The ringer always has good stuff. I think New York Times has some pretty good stuff. So, yeah, I just jump into them, but his article specific quote, this from his article he said in truth, though, I doubt, one end in Cassatt, Asai, even a majority as I've seen some argued that the series finale played it safe. While others bemoaning that deniers would never do that, or that what is the point of John snow with his secret, parentage does not become king to all of which I cannot help thinking about a certain Ramsay snow. What a quote that he wants said he said, Ramsay snow wants to on the show. If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention. I think that's an important mentioned from David and his article. It's just the way things are man. Ramsey had it right. He was a evil dude. He was an evil do, but he knew some. She was a smart guy, man. This in for me. This has been a really fun journey which you guys recap review in game at thrones. I've enjoyed the show. You know, in discussing everyone, I've talked with our people on Twitter, Instagram, all the group chats off-line everything, and it's been really fun. And I think it's important to mention that, you know, no matter how the show made you feel the end no matter whether you are disappointed or satisfied. It was something that brought us together each week, you know, fully immersed in the seven keenum's. And to me, that was worth it. And we can't forget that. I don't know if you have another show that has that if you have another show that you've listened to podcasts for that you've read tons of articles for that. You've had hours of conversations for ten years on, if you have another show, that's done that for you by all means put it at your number one by all means but for. Me game of thrones is one of the only show as I ever ever would read all the articles on have conversation endless conversations on do it for years upon years, do podcast episodes about it only show only so that's why it's at the top for me. If you have suggestions to do these fifteen minute break episodes for another show. Send me a tweet him. Yeah. Let's talk about it this even worth it. At clock. Dodgers for that, obviously, we have tons of other content to get to. So even though game of thrones just ended clock. Dodgers, we'll continue to bring you nonstop content. Be on the lookout for the next episode. Please don't forget to subscribe, and review. I know some of you are listening, maybe just for the game at their own stuff, and that's cool. But I appreciate if you do subscribe to the show, if you're not already subscribe leave a review even if you just listened for the game with their own stuff in house down, you're like peace. I'm outta this bitch. That's cool. Leave your reviews how much you enjoyed them because that helps new listeners or people who are thinking about listening potential listeners to really grab on, and give our podcast. Listen, share this with your friends shared on social media. All that kind of love. I truly appreciate our, you know, anyone who who has done anything for the show knows that I truly appreciate that shit without you. There's no us. And you know, I truly feel that way I'm a hard. It's not a joke until next episode guys be kind be great. Keep dot.

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S8E3 - The Battle of Winterfell Preview

Game of Stools

1:12:24 hr | 2 years ago

S8E3 - The Battle of Winterfell Preview

"This has been. You haven't beaten paying attention? Last thing you're ever going to see is stocks finding down to you as you die. These ladies enjoyed him so much they gave the time for free. I wanted to know was me. Triumph com. God is. Things. I do love. Gave us tools episode five. I thought about those episodes three counts of at five or eighty so bagging about squeezing all in here as we get down to the down to the wire for the final things are happening fast. Nothing's happening. She's okay. All right. We're not doing this again. I'm sorry. We're just not. Direction traffic today because last week the first episode the instant reaction emotions were running high people were were very heated about things. I mean being rigs on one side of thing Elliott Clem on the other. We don't need to get into all that again today, we're talking whereas the night king today, we are talking crypt theory will also get into death pool and mailbag, and as always we got our boy Clem Skyping in from north of the wall. How are you decline bay? I'm doing great I wash last week's episode. It's not my famine episode guy. Troll completely. Now on my friends love. No, I will this is this is the best way I can say I haven't even got to watch the fucking episodes with shit going on. But I will say we're going to look back at last week CEPA sewed after this week with all the death and destruction. We're going to be like eager gonna be like, we should have never left that cave. John. That's. Cave said that I did. And I get that with. Okay, we're not going to do is. But it doesn't mean that in real time. When you watch that episode when you you're not privy to the next episode that it was not good. When you watched it, maybe that will happen. But as I stand by whatever, April, whatever fucking date was April nineteenth or something that episode was also my opinion. That's everyone conceding that it wasn't that great because they're going. Oh, no. If you watch it way in the future. Okay. I'm not. I'm not. Bitch over we're over. We're on. All right. Let me just say this. We're on episode three of game of thrones. Now, obviously battle of winter fellows up. Now. Battle of winter fell this episode how much money do you think this cost me billion dollars? Oh, man. Just guessing I haven't read it. I don't know enough about one of okay Eli's out. I'm out. I'm gonna go fifty million dollars clam how much she think battle this assessment. This was like sixty seven nights worth of scenes and shit like that. And you do it all the cast of overtime food trucks. All that kind of stuff. Yeah. Complete guess two hundred twenty dollars that sounds right to me the re million dollars single episode of TV solve when we went through all the the salaries, and they kind of seemed low it's because all the fucking money went to this. It also has what they are calling is the longest continuous battle scene in cinematic history which and they keep referencing Helm's deep from Lord of the rings that was forty minutes. Hi brought that up. No, prompting just want to say that a lot of hells vibes. But that was that was a forty minute battle in a movie it's going to be longer than that. He's this is going to be. I don't think anybody is my my what is interesting the technical definition of continuous, right? Like if there's like fighting going on around, but there's a lot of actual intriguing interaction conversation going on among characters, I think they count that. And that's what I'm hoping that you know, they like zoom inside they go inside the castle and you hear like shit fucking. You're having end discussion because if this is straight swords and can't forget dead. Giants banging on the window, our straights. You know, that's gonna be fun for a few minutes. Forty five minutes is going to be falling asleep in the. Nobody's routing for that. And I think they're better than that. That's not what throats us clammed. You are you a battle guy here. Because I do think there are some people who want that. I do like the bat like the action sequence. No. I mean, I think there's like there's like highlight moments. You know, that's the thing about people who until we watch his blood and tits. That's not the case like battle the black border. We see the wildfire hit or how the strategy comes into play Tai win or even the lights of the valid about on the bastards or just seeing all those dead bodies piling up and the carnage of war is awesome. But like some of the just straight senseless violence, I actually hated amount of the heart home stuff because it wasn't daylight. You could see all the whites. But after a while it's like enough. But this is what we want. We want the dead giant. I mean, I'm getting goose from the rigs E R I, E spiders, the size of hounds. I need that's like dollars five million dollars to just the ice fighters much. That's that should have been. I want those. I don't wanna see little frozen hair. On them tarantula. We've been rooting for those guys day. I want those guys, and yeah, I mean, that's you're right. It's the highlight tape of the battle that I care about. Yeah. I wanna see the dragons in action. I wanna see how like how the the white walkers utilize the from the giants to if they bring in spiders, like, whatever the hell, it is seeing all that stuff interact. Seeing some of that carnage you need it. It is exciting. It all the build up and all that the explosions fine. But we don't need we don't need straight. And our of that. I don't think anybody's rooting for that. But I do. I mean, there's stuff I wanna see I wanna see who's in like what what what recognisable whites. Do we see? And how the out of the dragon's if any like how are the dragons gonna play? How are they gonna use them strategically are they risky like do? You not want to get him exposed like those kinds of things guys. I wanna know which of our favorite people are going to have like a really connected battle scene. And just I wonder who are they gonna kill like unceremoniously who just gets like an arrow just caught. I'm sorry. But they are they're going to do that. He's gonna catch like a fucking like a cannonball of the face. Fall lucky on somebody said that they should instead of giving Jamie sword in his left hand, she can barely fuck fight with each just screw a dagger onto where handed. That's so funny. Magic offensive linemen when they have a club. You know, what I mean like they should just put something like people's? Unreal. Unreal. Watch that I got to complain for a quick second surprise surprise. The idea that the run times of these episodes are like, quote, unquote, movies is just not fucking true. I'm getting I'm reading conflicting things here. Time magazine said HBO has confirmed run times of fifty four minutes fifty eight minutes. So be done those two and sixty minutes episode three. Now, I reading another thing on Entertainment Weekly that said this is an hour and twenty two but also when you factor in like the three minute fuck in the beginning of the credits. And they usually include that little like behind the scenes thing afterwards either way, and then the other ones like seventy eight minutes, seventy four minutes like those are longer than usual episodes. But everybody out there who was like, no, no, no. The last episodes like the length of a movie was the last time us movie that was less than like, two and a half hours, eight minutes short movie. Yeah. So I'm just picking a kids movie putting hairs here. But like the idea that we have all this time left to continue furthering these plots. I I don't think that's true. Yeah. I'm on the website. And it says an hour twenty two when you go to the little guide and click. It will take that for what it's worth. Okay. So ten minutes out of that. That's nice. It's a longer episode. But I'm just saying, you know, anybody thinks we're getting to our episodes of thrones. I also a lot of people are coming coming at those that were thrilled Lascaux be like it's not that. We're not that wasn't like a sixth or these two weren't third 'cause there's long run times the other one it's like no show is like its own show waiting for a week every time that they give us what they give in between time of episodes. Not extra like ten or twenty minutes. You get to watch that night because it's all about the discussion and this kinda shit and how much time there is to do. These things is still only six times, whether you know, how many minutes we're talking about. All right. Let's get into the actual episode here to the two main things everybody is talking about at least on the surface, some of the nerds getting all sorts of deal the regular, well, you know, what I mean like the regular. Nerd every Gerardi. I actually wasn't even referring to you. You're actually more on our side because you're sitting here with us. The other podcast the other review people the other, you know, video like recap people they're going all sorts of places the two main things at the average fan is talking about right now is where's the night king and the crypt theory? So we'll start with the Nike ING, I thought it was pretty obvious that he wasn't with the white walkers arriving at winter fell didn't show him source screen somebody deemed me like screen shots of he's got this distinctive. Look in sword thing. It's a different shape ice source as a weird shape. And then somebody sent me a picture of the whites the white walkers lined up, and you could see that the thing. But don't you think? Four five white walkers down the road, and this one shot either way they were not going out of their way to show you the night king. Tonight show, you I thought they went almost like they made a very deliberate effort to show certain parts of the first white Walker that made you think and then when their hand out it wasn't. So I thought that was deliberate. Maybe they just did it. So that we would do this which everyone's doing which is the number one talk kind of after everybody got over the debate is. You brought up denarius his vision which in that in that vision from Dan Danny last season, you saw a shadow of dragon flying over king, dander. That's like that was right. That was when he was in the has dying year ago years ago, and then you kind of come back to it. And you always see that drinking. Oh, that means police he's gonna come to west rose. It's like, no that could be a complete mind fucked by the writers, whether it was always the plan, or this is just how panned out, and if it's in the night king, and then obviously later on in her vision the throne, it's snowing the you could tell, you know, the throne room in king's landing just in ruins. And it would kind of make sense if that happened, but again, this this is the true to tech giving game of thrones, which is like a complete such deeper show and as years and years of shit. So we're really just fucking our own minds trying to go down these things, but our boy Merriman office manager Brett came up with the one that he thinks the Nikes going to the citadel to burn that. Down. Because remember they're saying Sam taking out like all memory of existence would help turn this into a night, and it's death. But the thing is like king. No that the citadel exists. But it's like oh. And then we're going out. Rain were. That's I think until we really know who the Nike is like would he even know to go to kingland hair? I think that's of marching the most fascinating mental exercises. Like, what is fucking guy? No. And if he does know things how does he is the way that he knows it because he's able to basically like brand himself because he ran around the same train doing the same kind of town. Right. So then he would know everything. Right. So it's kind of any would know if he's got the brand thing going, and he can ward or whatever then like, the strategy that Jon snow, and then come up with to mislead who now it'll just know. So so that really gets tricky. But then you think how could he know about king's landing about the Senate? Oh, and all that if he can't do that. So it's almost like he knows everything he knows he's either like a mine Lizama be or he's like. But then again, you did go like he is going castle by castle basically got. Got it. Is he where did he come from? What is this thing? Like, which is what I love this. This is my this is the most fascinating part of it. So I love it's a very fine line between giving it to us because then the mysteries over and either knock into at all which I'll kill more or, you know, did you episode three to four do due at five where do you unveil the mystery because then you lose the debate? But I mean, obviously, then you get to know, but the whole point of being of what is in. I think this you think that that goes away, obviously Clem where what would be your guess where? I guess my guess is honestly I want. It's almost like I wanna believe at this point. I want to believe he's going to king's landing because I always I always give I think the reason we all love thrones is again, the reason we love thrones. In general is not the blood and the it's like the misdirection. It's the stuff that always keeps younger feet. It's stuff. You couldn't see coming. The reason red wedding is like in hushed tones is. Because what it did the people's souls? Whether you read it in the books or you saw it on TV and to see the nineteen just go down and someone maybe he's gonna fuck the night king. I don't know if that would that would work she might become a white walk and be like, you know, what he's the strongest guy if I wanna rule this shit. I gotta fuck the become a white Walker on. No, he's a fucking eight thousand year old king, dude, you ain't shit compared to the ninety radically theoretically. So another another interesting aspect to just the whole like, where's the Nike thing is strategically? If you think about like what we know. And what they've given us like the Nike ING and flying around that battle with his one dragon against the other two dragons would strategically be the worst thing he could do right reason. Because fire is the only thing that kills the dead and all of that that the number one thing, and if you've got to drags breathing fire, that's like the one place where he would have a horrible disadvantage strategically and where he could. Whereas don't let your track landowner spot. Right. And we've got, sir. She's got her fucking big crossbow thing that they unveiled way back in the day. So like, she's got something that that could in angry drag a golden army, right? The company. Yes. So if he can somehow get control of that or what I would love the idea of her in. The Nike somehow like teaming up rather than him going there to fuck shit. Can we we don't why don't you anything? Why? Like now, it's so frustrating that they have given us like nothing like he's the most important character right now. And we know nothing about him. It's been fucking what eight seasons of knowing that he exists. And we don't know anything about it. Which is cool because it's like every show you go into your like. All right. What is this guys? Didn't even think about it him. It's like his us straight seasons. It was like you saw the episode one scene one. You saw the white walkers walking around and then they were just disgust for like five straight seasons up on the squeeze. Why like why would you do that to think about the amount of screen time white walkers and the Nike have had in general in this in this in this whole series? It's like one every three episodes. You also he hasn't been shown yet, right? Episode hasn't been shown in. He is the number one issue is the Nike, and he hasn't been shown yet, which is an I like that. Because in thrones a lot of times, we know more than the characters. Do we have that sorta like, ooh, like, what are they going to do with this information that we already know? But this is situation where we don't know we have nothing were in the dark. So we're finding that out along with everyone else. And I love that moment of clarity. I just had a moment. Moment of clarity. We now you guys you guys say, we've always been told the white walkers are the real enemy here, blah, blah, blah. And it's really come to a head the last couple of seasons and who's been leading the charge of we can't worry about anything else. We have to fight the white walkers saying this and who's the dumbest military. Fucking following these into this battle when clearly the white walkers and be like, no, we're good. We just gotta do this. And we're going to do that. And then all the sheet that's going to happen. Episode four five and six is because we followed fucking John. No the worst military mine in history. He is the worst. It's not in the best that leads to the other issue. The. Crypt theory. I'm going to be critical again for a second. But that's okay. Okay. About something that you love fine. Okay. What I love about. Thrones is seems like Ned stark and scenes I read wedding where they don't give you any clue what's coming, and they just fucking smash you over the head with something credible. Do give you clues very subtle though. Really know what? Really? It's one of those words like, oh when you look back. Talked about this running. Now, what they're doing with the Crips is the complete though, it's the same thing. I think it's the same thing that I don't know. Maybe I've changed. Day said who's going to be in the crypts, you're safe in the crypts put this girl in the crypts? We need you in the red wedding. How many times they beat us over the head with overdue guests writes, he can't hurt you. Oh, if you eat from sable he can't hurt they said it like nine times. Maybe that's true. I don't I don't I never picked up on any of that. I'm telling you. I know is that. All their word on that episode was Crips to the point that I was starting to laugh. It was like, yeah. The Crips are obviously not safe. So there were way too heavy. Let's start with like who all have try who all is going. What main characters they also released. If you pictures from this episode, and it looks like for sure Varis and Tyrian or this picture here. Kind of looks like I mean saunas like sitting indoors. Okay. So inside be down children. Yeah. And definitely as far as, you know, smart mastermind type guys, we know various and tearing down there, and then little girls all all the people smashing you over the head on Sam. Obviously, the whole idea is that they're hiding in a fucking place dead body when the army of the dead bet dead bodies with swords like not even just like dead bodies that are dead. Like there really are. History of like, west great. Dire wolves that are monster. We're gonna dire eating everybody can can kloempken I king. Can they do that? They can raise anybody or they have to get in there, and like touch you and talk to you or do with the statute of limitations is here. If you're not already did they have to kill you for it to happen or show work like in math. You have to show how you knew that these people in there. Don't know. But yeah, I mean surrounding yourself with Ted bodies in the army of the dead is coming for you, not the best. So there were a couple of things there was a tale. I guess that a lot of people ever see of like torn back in the day when his I guess his son died of the flu or something like that. And he's mentioned that like in the middle of the night with no why walkers around popped up and became. Yeah. White. So that kind of like what people are going back to in terms of the statute of limitations, whatever. And then there's also the other brand the builder who built a wall also built winter fell. And there's magic in both don't allow the white walkers to necessarily come in. And like just be able to re re raise anyone from the dead on the same stuff that protected kind of west rose from you know, the white walkers, right and all that is the same. It's time. We know there's all tunnels and shit like that you can get in and out along. It's like nobody knows. I say I I mean, there's something because I like I said there's six mentions of Crips crip Crips. So if so what am I trying to say Gillies son little Sam like he's the last of crafters kids, and you follow the theory that, you know, those the only people that could make white walkers that maybe they're coming down south to get Gilly, son. If that's the one thing they want their down in the crypts leg, that's probably not a safe place for them to be right? But I mean like putting everyone danger. Never know if I'm part of the army of the living, right? The last place. I wanna be as the crypt, absolutely embarrassing. You know? I actually wanted to bring that up. Let's be honest though, like without thinking about like people in the curbs because it wouldn't have been beat over our head. We'd be in the show all four of us would be in that crib right now. He couldn't use on a horse down to Dohrn right now. Doernen. She. They're hanging out. Fucking each other Dorn is the sponsor right now. Our our pockets. Six year old girl. She's like I wanna kill the white walkers. I'm like you do that. Playing chess and the basic. It is crazy. Everyone doesn't just be guy. What's just get on ships and just sail island? They can have all western. We'll go go live on an island. We all like all the important people on the sexy people we fuck around drink wine. Lady. I'd be like fuck the peasants, you're going to die in the winter anyways. Like, let's get outta here. My family behind him my house right now. I'd be like sorry kids and wife, I'm going by myself. And I'm starting a new life across the. What is with what makes the throne better than just like this awesome paradise island? Like the whole point of power is to get what I want do what I want like what's better than peril. Everything's like made up anyway as power and money and structures, and that's why whole thing is that. I don't think throwing really matters because I think whoever sits on it's going to be okay. I'm in power now in some else gonna make no you're fucking not. I feel like when the throne is just going to constantly be basically up for grabs in a battle ends in a democracy or an oligarchy or something. That's what I've been saying. Like he's been on the throne like what is who cares? Our she's literally down. Everyone's like, yeah. We're fighting the biggest battle gives a fuck about you with you later thrown doesn't really mean much. That's why I don't get thrown. Why Danny drives me crazy? Tyrant's exertion parts bridge hates stooping unworthy. Fucking like a dirty grimy like whole the king of the iron islands. I mean that ain't shit being the king of the iron islands. It's like being like the fucking president of some poor African country who cares. I agree. It's just not impressive. Have. It's not on the scale on like where we're talking about here. That's not that bad. It's a big deal up there fine and eight a big deal down. If if I fuck tonight king, and that would be out I'll have to rewatch that that would be into that imagine Diario succeed a real drag dick like what does that look like normal flu? Melts. Like what happens to have a hammer? He's asked turned away. His his dick is no it's cold. So it wouldn't it be smaller. Because he's just rock-hard ice all the time. He's never soft. Right. Does not need Roman. He's not. No. He does the inner body. Temperature of people is very warm. I feel like that's dangerous. They couldn't do that. Melts like. Be very does. Totally at the was so good. She. Searches saved west road. There was. Are you sexy, and I couldn't even look at? And I some people could and they were fucking all about it, even and so there was some people yelling at me. Okay. All right. I was I was right. Because even maisy Williams was like, I thought it was a prank. She was like, there's no there's no way they're going to have me have sex on this show. So turn it was the one who gave her the script. And so she was like Sophie's fucker when the all good one. And they were like no like, it's happening. And then she also tweeted like, yeah. Yeah. You feel awkward watching me? Well, just know that my brother, my uncle, my mom, everybody else's watching. So yeah, it's not that big of a deal. That. And then Sophie Turner's g response. So funny. She is right Easter drinking or wine. She says in the Easter spirit. They wanted to hop. Pop. Pop into that say. We have a segment so Turner's degraded human on the planet, and this is the Mike put that sound by in here because that's one of my I watched that video disturbing amount of times. It's like my neighbor survey what is going on? On earth Easter I guess game of thrones wanted the storyline time a little Easter bunny hopping into that. Say immense. The tate. She was on Dr Phil by the way, who was also on Casey. Wow. So. Property. Basically so holler out us. She was saying how she like she went through a lot. Because when when people didn't like Santa she felt like they didn't like her as a person, which is I mean, Conroy Douglas. Let your hair. I get it. But it's also like you. It's hard because like that to your life. Right. Like, that's what you've committed all your life. Your life is like you're an young young. And that's when you get that into character. I'm sure that's your twenty three now. Right. Like, she was like thirteen which baby. And I guess I've said Jan how I hate Yara. The actress eight hundred. I'm sorry. Jarrah to Joffrey got out of the acting game because he was just getting so much shit. So to awesome when he was at the premiere. Walk. He looked so scary pictures of him some pension like, oh, you look like a person. And then other times, I'm like, what did you die last week and told you what happened there? One of the great things. They gave us was killing that motherfucker kill them. Purpose episode to one of my favorites down to which number. They asked me I did I did trivia on big if trail and they're like what number episode was the red wedding. And I was like, well, it was the okay it was the twenty seventh episode. They're like, how did you know that I'm like well season three episode? Nice. Dork nerd is different. Okay. You're you wanna get into mailbag Clem. Any death pool of us to? I'm sure when they were filming this fucking forty minute battle like you said Clem with all the the overtime and the cameraman and the people working, I'm sure they needed to post meets all their food and booze and supplies and everything they needed get delivered right onset. They probably use the promo code stool to get one hundred dollars of delivery off for the next seven days. Sign up post mates use the promo code stools, one hundred dollars of delivery over the course of the next week. They have twenty five thousand merchants available in their networks. That means every store every restaurant every pharmacy. Whatever you want. That's nearby. You can order anything from they'll deliver it within the hour twenty five hundred dollars off your delivery when you use the promo code stools. All right. So, yeah, we'll start because I think the death pool is kind of that will be our final thing for the episode predictions and not submit mailbags at barstool sports dot com slash esque. The throne. We'll try to get these on this mid week, recapture, whatever because we're doing just street usually incorrect recaps right after the episodes coming in first one comes from Jones and a lot of people have asked this question in different ways. Do we think we're gonna see Nigeria Arias dire wolf pack of wolves that she ran into again. Okay. So there's a theory that like nine Maria's gonna lead an army of wolves and kill a lot of white walkers problem with that is they didn't they don't like how budget for elephants like one elephant like they're not going to have the budget for CGI all about shit. I would love to see it. I just don't think it's going to happen. Like ghost dollars, easy going? Say I was getting two million dollars in my spider budget for fucking. Taking it out of our spider this shit all season. I mean, there should be enough for everything by the way. I wanna fuck it here about budgets CGI cuts and shit. Like if you're doing ninety three million for an episode do fuck in ninety six or whatever it costs get everything else in there. Come on. They left it. The elephant thing are we convinced that was just a budget issue. I mean, it has to be there's no reason why not leaving. Meaning like last season. They were talking about it. And then like as they were filming season eight, oh, wait never mind me, your money crowd, blow my mind, you're telling me, it'd be like I dunno. Go borrow some money from berries budget or something else that h give me the fucking elephants because we are already set it up that they had they brought it up enough times in the first episode being like like I wanted elephants like that. They had there had to be reason. Chirping HBO's finance department. Like, you got enough money for a sixty seven day long battle scene, but not an elephant damn elephants often. I think that definitely is like services powering wouldn't was she's hiring sell swords. And they're like, yeah, we'll give you can give you it's kind of like she's like the plan b plans for them. But they've never broken a contract, which they just that's another thing that just keep hammering into our heads. So either they're breaking contract. It's checkoffs contract as well. I'm reading a blog about vulture put up an article saying that everything we just said like they said it elephants million times, they alluded to it. Everybody wanted wanted at the fans wanted it. And they said that they believe the elephants is just a like weird inside joke for the book readers. It's not to the book version of the story line what you might expect this late and game of thrones played out very differently. The golden company in bays west arose at the end of a dance of dragons. But other than that almost every element of the situations. Change long story short. I don't know if this is just like their their their their reputation, but they're saying that this was just. Like, hey, by the way, book readers like we didn't. We didn't forget about the elephants. We're gonna make mention of it even though we're not including it in the book. But that would be silly because they left out things like lady fucking. What's your face ladies, telling stone, heart lake? Major character like that. And don't feel the need to mention it. I don't think you feel overwhelmed that you have to mention the elephants to the people. Are they we'll see Mary again, you think? So I don't know. Yeah. I, you know, I think in a in a like a happy reunion. Are you? Aria from death. And then are you dining area to kill aria as a white Walker. I'm just saying. She's pregnant. I mean, we all know true. Can't you pregnant lady pregnant well. That's nice here. I want Nigeria to like bite Arias throat. Cav? I do not for the record. I do not want that either someone who roots for a lot of death. I'm not really, you know, I want I want one more red wedding, not even gore. But just like I can't believe they did that too. When nad at the show, I want one of those moments. She deserves a better Jefferson that she does. That's why she's the one that. You'd like I can't fucking did it. I'd be so mad. I'd be silk. Everybody would everybody. What's up question next specialist from a bunch of people again can aria will. She can she steal the night king's face. I think we could be wrong. Let me know you're feeling once you kill a white Walker. They just turned into snow like you can't just start carving them up like once they're dead. Skin. And I think different kinds of magic like I'm pretty sure it's like different like, the the God of death versus like the Lord of light or whatever the fuck like it's like different. Magic's like I don't think you can cross magic. Cancels across the streams. Yeah. Can't say, no. I. Maybe you could trick or some shit like after the white Walker Dr pretty bad like trophy for her like, no she wants to dress up scared gantry sometime like vaguely. Sorry. My brain with. The king like banging Genry. Yeah. Do you wanna see that aria? I aria. Look thoroughly unimpressed with injury afterwards. I think that I was a one and done. I think she realized I like death and killing more than like sex, and I respect that. That's why it's over for her. But it's also like that was the perfect. That was the example the symbolism of like this is life at its finest. Right lake in women have well like, but like sex in general is like, that's that's life. And she was like. I think she's just all about that death life. I like to he's like passed out just totally content. And then she's over there. Just her mind. Tartu I've been making fuck in dragon for like, seventy hours straight. She's like she's like to see hate me. Like, why did he go to? Overthinking? Guy girl laying in bed. And she's like, what does he think you think he's just like motorcycles are cooling? What sorts can they make tomorrow and doesn't even four John. You know, for sure one and done, I think it's a rapper, and I probably some honorable way. But I think it would just be cool. If it did it in better when she's making death instead of making. There you go. L asandra Z something like make life with me or something. I remember turn me on. Let's hurt is she dead. She she sees some question right here. Okay. What's up with Sandra? Now, she said she was going Volonte Valente at the end of season seven. But also said it would your fate to die in west rose. Dow much of an impact on the about a winner fell. But we have to see the red women again. Right. Well, Brent Marian had a theory about goes. Merrill has theories. I think he just reared. Well, he was on the brought to my attention about the fire trenches. There's like fire trenches in the opening credits outside of winter fell. Yeah. The drug it kind of thing like drop, and then you see like like the pull the rug out from under the idea is that she's necessary to the battles like keep the fires up when the night king keeps trying to put them out. You can't cross a fire trench if you're a white, you know, 'cause you'll die. That's a point. If you surround yourself with fire. You should be right. Yeah. Relatively I also think by the way, the do with fire sword. He's really he's. Around the fact that that guy sort as always on fire we need that like his his late fire. He's he I mean, everyone's like suck and Johnson dick because he's like Jon snow and magic and resurrected and that's that. A thousand times I was not sitting on the iron throne. He should be the most important guy. Got a resurrected ten times. I would be like, yo. Yes to tell people had a fuck turn sort in the fire when he died. So it's like, here's the manual like. Yeah. Fuck it doesn't do it hit the handle three times iron news or something. Well, whatever it is. You know that guy a little bit more barracks. Legit. He that guy. His his ability to just always have fire. We'd figure that out we need to utilize that also wasn't the on the fire trenches. They were like clearly building them at the beginning. So they wildfire right to know. And all that up right there. There has to be something to the whole like we need the fire people. Yeah. The followers of the Lord of lightly, we need them. Plus, I need to see Mel asandra overtime. She's sexual gotta have another literal smoke, and no no more old hag Mel shandra. I need young Gabby. I need young like black smoke monster out of your Posey Melissa under to come. Turn to you on the the she gave birth Jewish shadow. That's to kinks. Shame. I'm king shaming here about feared what's up next. All right. This one's my favorite theory of all time zone. Just sky job in Twitter. Why don't we just shop? Why don't we just chop brands arm off and drop it off at king's landing? I see. And then set there. It's like Amazon's gonna fly a fan of his. I find no whole gist. Do just fucking strap into a horse slap on the ass run. Is this going all over? I was. Quick for imagining brand just being like, no, I, you know, I'm I know all this. I I'm gonna ward does that we don't give a fuck. They just chop screaming. Fuck it healed up with a little bird. Yeah. No. I know you've been doing this whole theory shit. And you say you could see everything like, we're just gonna cut your fucking. Maybe that's why brand and Jamie were having a moment. It's like we're going to be the one. Jamie's like I'm I'm gonna talking this, man. You're about to go through something here. I mean, the whole idea in general, it'd be serious about it though. Like the that that he has this Mark on him. And that they're gonna use him as bait and all that they shown us this Mark other than this one moment. Well, I remember him grabbing remember that happening. They showed us that he had a Mark in general the idea of using his bait is like a like a fucking looney tunes. Like, you know. You know? It is okay. They're going to pull a fucking trails king space often. It's just going to be like someone else to be. I mean, I guess it's perfect because it's John snow's ideas stupid. But not smart. Before the horsey when they were chasing him. And he was like he's gonna find. Oh, yeah. He's always gonna find you to me. I just you know, like the night king. We think is scheming and going here when you think we're going there. And like they always had like even the way they got the dragon. You've always said you thought that was a whole like they lured them in on on purpose to get the drag. It just seems like the Nike is like a like big time war general with these ideas had time to think about it. I guess just like you want this guy. To win this wall for the living. All just make fun of John snowing. This. It's like his voice you. Yeah. Also said Fiat out there is like so. Protect him. So I mean. He's like everyone. Go hide in the crypt of the dead bodies. Yup. Fee on you, go for technical support person. This hour, and we'll just put the most the we'll put this other guy in the middle of the end saved brand star brands life before well, whatever fair three at theon is like a little fucking. He's really good at marching boy dick this and then this hey him being dick is not his fault. This this plan of kings of of brand is not even a real person going out. The dick collared is clearly going to work. The biggest savage of all times. Just like this is our best shot. Has killed. Bruin humanity for every is the biggest savage ever. He wants to wipe out all living life, and we're like theon got lillies printing. Cripple an addict duty he's bringing our permanent night. Guys goal is and he's very close to deviate, and this is sending out there. Like, everyone everyone in that room is yes love. Oh, shot serious drink by the fire as perfect it's really perfect because living people are so susceptible to like, they everybody loves a comeback story in a redemption story theon like no I need to do this to prove proven shit. We're fighting an unstoppable army. It'll care about your redemption. Ark Dikla scouring single other person in that room would be a better shot and the. Roles. Samsan every walk in everyone. You suck. The name of the episode is actually permanent night versus cripple and addict. Clam hit his I'm just going to say from giant from giants perspective. This would be like Eric flowers flowers your charge quarterback. No one else. Eric flowers has. What are you? All right next. One comes from Zach keep talking about the interaction between tearing and brand right after they discuss strategy for the battle inter fell the cut away pretty fast. But felt like it feels like brand is definitely gonna tell tearing some valuable information. They'll be a breeze down the line when he probably gets fucking murder because the coward dickens coward. This one's. It's like brand knows he's gonna die. So he's passing all his information on Tyrian. I hope something I hope I mean, tearing smart enough. He pulled the chair and was like I got nothing but time like let's go I'd love to hear it. That why didn't they show? This will right like they'll do a flashback or something of that nature because they had to this was kind of a hit us with the same theory. A couple of times kind of the same theme of hammering home. Like, how smart Tyrian is that he's gonna have some strategic redemption, something like with his mind. How important is mine is in the future. And then also that his mind became even stronger because he had this. Right. So that we have to come back to that. If they don't burn this fucking. All right. Let me ask you this. Because I've said I've said that several times to about different things what would be like the one thing they do or don't do that makes you wanna burn the whole fucking place down. Is that it for you, not revealing what Brennan teary, and we're talking about if this whole thing is with just the Nike just wins. And all he really wanted was just what they said was death. And then it's just over that. Now, let me say the. The three pre season. I was like yet. If your Dr Martin is true to his word. It's just gonna be the bad guys win. Then I kinda started to waver and think like, let's get a little more complex. But now, I think I'm coming back to the idea because what we're doing is like, maybe he can talk, and maybe you can communicate and maybe this and maybe that meanwhile, like every so often somebody like brand or someone in the know is like this guy is just here for destroying keeping door. Deeper. Maybe not maybe he's just this permanent night bringer. And that's it. Let me say this. What would be an unbelievably good finish would be. If he did kill if he kills everyone. If he if he's in destroys every single city castle all that. He destroys the throne. And then the final scene is like him and his crew going back up north of the wall. And the final scene is them like putting the pieces of the wall back together. And then they're just gone, that'd be fucking awesome. And they're like, whatever like this whole everything south of wall just is going to start over fucking. God rash. Yeah. That'd be awesome. I'm down with him. I'm done with him winning. But what would you like cannot do like Dame? If game of thrones does this. It will ruin the series for me. If in any way, shape or form, the final frame of the show is like denarius as a white Walker sitting on the iron throne. I I would be like really dead. And she's just like, but I did it. I got the throne that come on. That's stupid or that girl will do anything to happen. She got splitting that really should not have spoken that into existence. I feel like that's going to happen. Now. She'd be ooh, they sit next to each other. They fall in love go into of. Two of love story. What about you Clem? What's your number one cannot happen? I just think like predict whatever I don't know what's going to happen in the next four episodes. But whatever happens that's just really predictable to meet Johnson winning. Not clem. I'm looking at some of the stats for the outline you sent here. And it looks like I mean, thirty one percent of people think John's gonna win we did we did the death poll. Right. This guest the throne, which again death cool is literally zero it's like imagine playing fantasy football and the first week ever was concered points because no one got a yard. That's what we're doing right now. It's crazy numbers bitch. What fuck and shitty. Break for numbers. The only person who's. I was thinking about this in because I saw vendors to when like all the people who who Infinity war who got snapped away. They're just like not around like when you die in a show. And it's just like, yeah. You were part of that show. But that's go home here. Not on a set anymore showing up foam. Oh, yeah. Like, I don't know. How many lines are? I'm not in this anymore. But like. Because of what you go home. And then you don't know what happened like you. Don't get to be in the know like what's his name plays? Call Drago one room for like eight seasons with these guys. Do you think there's like they're still on the group tuck? Every time we've had a actor like a really like show like, veep or parks Rackers show. It's really like a cult classic oddly enough every actor. There's always a group text with those shows like which I think is like the coolest. All the ones that all the actors. We've always really liked in the show's really liked they they are all get along. And they all have his group Texan, and I'm like, that's so fucking awesome. If there was a game of thrones group. Text major players I would be I would kill. I would kill anybody to get up in murder. I would actually commit code either of you would murder both of you probably one in this to be in that group chat steady over. She was like listen. Do it. I don't think you can say that. Because like, but. Worried as it is. But yeah, rigs I would I would totally kill you to be part of that. Yeah. Kevin just for Sophie Turner's texts. Come on. It's fucking wrong, man. She said prices should make like anyone I feel like she throws down on that Jonas brother Felix. Yes time. Right. Yeah. Yes. Party story. Just did it. I mean that when you just knew he doesn't give a fuck. She's drinking wine every night. She's like, Ben she's totally in control. He so so whip all right, babe. If you look at like saying about Dr Phil show, she's probably fucking happy shit is over do this. I'm like if I'm if I'm anybody on game of thrones. I'm going to do a rom com. Do cartoon voice over to any of this is such a nice girl. Cues? She's like, my height a little nice girl. Her and Johnson match that little fucking midgets. There's been more mailbags in the we'll we'll get outta here at cool. So this one's coming to bunch. But it's with brand from TJ think Bram award into a dragon make maybe taking back control of Syrian who's the dead. Dragon. Who's back to life is then doing it with is brand the Nike shit again. But you think brand gonna be dragged? I remember the three raven said you'll never walk by. So there's actually my first thought when the dragon died I was like like when he was resurrected brands award into the dragon like that's going to happen. I don't want it to happen though. 'cause it's too predictable. I think it'd be cool. If there was a scene where you saw things from what the dragons is. Yeah. Billy county do that like dragons supposedly smarter than people people are really hard to work into. So I don't know if you look at the way at dragon was staring at John when he was making his mom. I think dragon knew what was up that maybe out loud full on out loud myself. Cut to a second time that was really down. Down blinking. Him like look over. And then it's just like drinking, and did you see someone did the gift of Frankie from the islanders game? But it was like guessing it was like. Good. Uh-huh. I mean, I think that they should do something cool with the dragons. I think dragon fight like was it. You say. Fires to hit each other cool scene. I think working cool seeing I think a scene. I would love the denarius drop a precarious, and they don't listen to her the electron dragon doesn't listen being like, John you have to say it for car truecar's fucking do it. He's like now, this is my boy yet, maybe he can dropped your car is I would love some sort of drama with the dragons not just like. Nares vizier area like dead verion. And it just like really God. Like, that's my son. Like, I said, I I'd kill my my kids. No problem that will be an epic moment when that happens when she has to see him if they're fires go get there. That'd be a couple of Harry Potter sort of parallels. The graveyard scene. Yup. That the if the two fires the dragon fire's are going up against the whole idea of the scar. Being how can communicate and like sense each other and stuff like that? Which is I guess once you get so much fantasies type shit out there. Like, there's going to be parallels and similarities and whatnot said that too. And he's he's definitely fans of like a lot of the big top fantasy and whatnot. So it makes sense, but Willie war into a drive. We ever seen them like wargin to other animal. Yes. Which was obviously magic in the emotional connection. All the stocks in the books can walk into their respective dire wolves. Yes, sauna can work. Well hers died. The ability. She had the ability to like, yeah. Like, they all they were. Yeah. All the star kids had a little magic Hong. That's very different going on up there in winter, Phil. Yeah. Yes. In the off. But they haven't like put that into play in the in the show. They have they whip out some magic for this shit because they're all winter fell. I'll be like, well, I don't know. We don't that. At all. We didn't know that right is show. Archers? We didn't know. Yeah. I'm still worried still very worried about the show. I'm worried about this. I thought this right now in my own thoughts up here in the north. We share John handling dragon. That's swing a blade, but it's like giving a fucking someone who was like a DUI is giving them a new. That's really important to us right now. I don't need you in the battle against the bunch of compete like giants and things with spears and another dragon, and then just like kill are dragging doubt. And then we're going to be down. Get a decent hero shit and kill everyone on accident. Fucking. I would kind like it if John that's one. I would like to see John ends up his stupidity like ruining all west coast. It would be kind of like CB told you. This guy's a fucking air would be like a nice little who would who. Would you want to lead the army in the north end of that group sons? Yeah. And the night's veil. What are you wanting by the way, I love how clemson's Sansa? Screaming? She went like, you know, zero to one hundred I know, she's been through a lot. I know the whole point is like she's changed matured, but everyone like, she's the smartest person ever. Like, I don't know about that. I think she's having all these meetings with the guy from the veil like there has to be significance to that. She's probably like ready to swoop in whenever fucking fucks up. I also think we we keep talking about how Tyrian needs a redemption moment 'cause he's fucked up like sixty seasons in a row that I think maybe hill pulsa military shit. We saw that he did that really everybody. And. Yeah. And he's as do, right? Because he's he's in theory got some knowledge now that run from bro. Yeah. So he's got something. That's like plot armor right there. Always talk. Right. Are you like safe in the plot? Yeah. Him having knowledge that we don't know about. It's like he's going to survive. And I think that whole scene which was just everybody drinking fuck in singing songs, he was the only one like learning and like probably advancing himself. Unlike figuring out some shit. So so I hope I would I would pick him all I will coach on that. I'm sorry. Hard coats on that too. Because I feel like he's been catching a lot of ELLs. We kind of found it. He's caught a lot of basically cheating on the test now because he's like brand what happens in the nettle. You got the key. I respect respect respect that move. Yeah. He's taking a lot of ELS just overall. I mean over the entire thing. Now after L after L, and you gotta think he's got a big. I feel like we're probably on the same page materials going to have some. He ain't diet. Feels like anytime soon, and he's got some very very clear importance coming up, which is good really fucking loves the best one more. All right. One more. This one comes from Garrett. Do you think that jacket high gar will have a role in the final episodes? I've always been a fan of the theories involving Hannah I'm convinced he's a big part of it. All maybe he's radar. I don't know. I read that theory is fucking awesome. Theory is that radar targe area and didn't actually die on the Trident when Robert killed him with a war hammer that it was again, like a faceless man type thing. So then he was actually like Jack and like the faceless guy, and he's been just out and Bravo's just chill. And that's why he took such an interest in aria like, oh, you're stark. And you're like, my niece or whatever. And then he's gonna come back in the end and be like, I don't know the king. Guess I don't know. I do think I don't think that's like a legit theory. But it's. Radar Garin is the dude who trained aria and shit. So what you're saying that would be the idea. Alburns push back out matters. Blow up. He does matter. He's important. I'll go full like terrorist. Upload. We'll see him again. I yeah. I think so I think so I think they've put too much emphasis on the faceless men for it not to come back around like something is going to happen with that, dude. Because I don't know he was really important a big part of his he is really handsome, a big part of me believes that there's just like to those types of storylines. There's too many of them for the show to tie up. That's what I'm saying. Introduced that guy and like have some should have. Plot that the show in that might that might be one that they are able to tie in the show. But I think like just out of all of them. They're not going to be able to tie up as many as they're gonna be able to say, I just don't. I just don't think it's gonna happen. Right. So I wouldn't be surprised if somebody like him just like does it. I'm shocked at your convenience, even again, I was like that that guy I we are down. Game of thrones endgame, major players know that it'll be like, Jack and hug argon. But I do think there will be a major like I faceless moment of like oh shit. You're not who I thought you were a lot of those plotlines will get wrapped up like in cut wearing a battle. Yeah. But that's the one thing. I feel like they're doing a lot of is like very quickly advancing things. Like are. You makes is with this guy. Fawkes him the next day. Like, yeah. But it's all true. Also, like to me, I just you know. I mean, I've said this before it's like, they I think that's just one more time. Yeah. We don't have is go with it the process. They know what they're doing. Why I'm worried though 'cause I like, I don't know if they do. Yeah. I think we have to trust them. I think you're gonna make yourself miserable. The most anxious person in the world, and I'm like, trusting it? I'm like, what would you say? In general that this show got worse. Once they went off the books. No, I don't think. So definitely I think it's very different from the books. But I think it's. I think the like the way they tell stories and the way they do shit now without the books is very much like a prototypical TV show. I think it was like a something we've never seen before type shit when it was on the book, and then it just became like a fantasy similar to all these other types of things once it was just these two TV guys running the show. Yeah. You know, I I guess I don't really feel like I could say until I actually like read the books, I know that you probably shouldn't have to do that. But in my opinion, that's kind of how outfielder. You know, look the books are great. I just think they do such a better job of storytelling in the in the show. Like, it just makes it so much easier to digest there. The book. Plot lines. That are just like why was this included like weird like roundabout ways of just like telling me the information like it is so much more clear, and concise and better it's better in the shows. It just is like in. That's fine. That's fine. I'm not I'm not gonna wanna read the books. I'm just saying there's TV show. I think when they were following George. Are Martin's written script versus whatever. He's just kind of telling them. Now are the show is better about it. We know how much you consult. He's very much part of the of of even after the show was done with the I think didn't you sit down and tell someone from the beginning. What was gonna happen to them? I could see that. I mean, it's probably I can't finish the books. Right because he's basically being like a TV show. Yeah. Which is good. I mean, that's what we testing out the plot line. And he's going to be actually happen. That actually. It was about the test run for. All right. You want to just run through some quick game. Throw death pool stats and whatnot. Before we wrap up. So you guys want to you want me to say a name. It will all go around the room dead or alive after this episode. We're just talking about a winner Phil from the whole series. A battle of winter felt better. All right. So huge everyone at winter winter Fowler who we think is so barrack flaming sword guy gonna die in this episode, easy is this is his moment. His battle his final life. That's it. He is known to bring them back. Now, if he dies here. He's dead. He's dead. Dad, put like shouldn't be you'd really love this, man. Barry say on a big, I didn't know his name Laurie. Now fire sword guy. I could see him like dying four Mela Sandra who shows up like it could be like Lord of light kind of stuff. He's in deep into Iraq. Our boy Joris you guys who in low of someone console console the Giora. I think there's gonna be a moment with Danny where like something goes down. You know, Danny is kinda like losing her moral guide a little bit. And I wonder if there's like, so I don't know if she does something that ends up in, you know, his death or if he dies for her, and she she's gonna be some like a very important. His death will have a very very big impact on Danny. But I think directly alive. Wow, rigs. I agree. I think he's alive because I think that once he finds out that like John into or related. He's going to have a whole like Mr. friend zone, man. Like resurgence of like love me. And also Tyrian said one of you is going to be wearing this hand by the end of this and like feel like it's gonna be Torah. So you think you think Danny ends up on thrown enjoy is the hand. No. But I think. That's a possibility. So I'm not gonna count him out yet. Ogre also feel like I don't know. I don't feel like him Sam saving all that was has been freely like justified yet like I don't think he's done enough yet to justify point. So. I was gonna say Debbie has convinced me alive. I think he goes salmon guilty with the sword. Because he got the sword from them. Forgot about that speak back on. Thank you. He's got gotta do some important shit with that sort. He's got he's got episode on his argh, actually, I think is is going to be like heartbreak because he loves generis obviously saying, but I think he's going to see if she delves into become in mad Queen it's going to break, his heart. And I think it's really believes. He's gonna killer deep style would be. Oh god. Got it in to. Could he could he kill to narrows? Like just a moment. We're Danny's gone mad Queen. And it's like dude you gotta do with right here. Take this bitch out literally chop your girl down. That's the cold open X show. George people to slavery because he had a trust on his. The cold open is my spiders. Fucking Colo anything that big of a deal. Just give me something. That's that. We got was a kits been a minute was it. Yeah. What's that? Weird upset. Oh, no. Not yet. Not yet. It's curtains for heaven is boo he thinks that in the small yet. We're gonna go to the beach together slice you head off seal. It say you're going to go to the beach with your love your life, and you talking to go well retirement. I think it's over for that. I think he's a life in this episode delta. Yes, this I think it's over for both of them today. This we all right. The the Dicky's coward bodyguard himself fiance. Got a Di this. This is all gonna keep him around fucking redemption thing, it sucks, but they won't kill that fucker. He's alive. I stepped from the he's going to die. I think he's this is episode wishful thinking. I the biggest misstep I think that people. They like, I do do you think people care about do care about his redemption? I do. But that's I'm bleeding heart though care about everyone's redemption. I want everyone to be anything about him. Yes. When he's had like ten chances of redemption jumping off the boat every fucking time. So trauma youth getting over it off the boat. I still convinced that was just strategically the smartest thing he could have done. What else is he gonna do? Yeah. I I know. But you know, what? I mean in the moment, it was like, I gotta say my sister. What does he do, you know coming back and saving her later? Who's what was he going to do? He was going to beat somebody up anybody up, right, dick. Dick, wouldn't I would say alive because I would love to see him just bail and just be coward and run away. It'd be so funny. But I actually this kind of goes back to what we talked with Tyrian with his bond hair. I feel like theon hair is getting redder as the show last night was like, wow. And obviously he's no longer. The fact we're not calling wreak is such a win for him. And then he's no longer known as reeked. Great. Great regret new by him. Big time. So I think that that jump off the boat health. I think in a weird way. So I do think his redemption ark will end with him becoming like the Manny was with winner failed guy was raised by Ned stark, and they'll do the right thing and doing so. Chill to open the last. The open was season seven episode one aria poisoning the remaining fray family. Jimmy, lancaster. Dead while alive. He only has one hand he barely fight with it. Yeah. That would be a twist. But I think he kind of laid it on thick the other day when he was like, I can't fight. I can't anymore, but it will be an honor to fight next to you. I think he's like not that great in battle anymore. I think he's gonna try best try to beat old king slayer type, and he's looking old. He's rugged. He's got the salt and pepper hair. All fucked up now early like gray like what happened to him. He's not hot anymore. It's very at least hot. But he's not like hot. I think that they're very physically showing demise. I think it's over from the I think I think death. Would go. And this is he's known as the king's flair for killing his dad he'll be known as the Queen saver because he saves her. He goes down defending her, and the fact he trades out his gold, the he trades out his gold hand for dragon glass like hand, or whatever is like a metaphorical thing. He's from like being a landlord of being someone who cares about the realm and people that's like heavy duty fucking. Okay. I mean, I'm crying. Him so much TV it through so much weight. You just meet Elliott cry funny that was like so moving Clem. I just like deserves a redemption. Ark. Like Clem you're coming in with such deep stuff that Elliot's it tears. The third time you've. Full-blown cry. Night club. I've been told on Twitter that we're just a bunch of whiners that hate the show. I'm fucking giving gold here. You can take buddy fucking finish. Wow. That is awesome. So I'm the only one that says alive. Yeah. Are all debts. Definitely hope it right, by the way, very off brand. Yeah. This whole this whole rundown. Here is do a couple more than main ones than. We'll do the hound. I tie the hound in Davos together. They're kind of like secondary tertiary, but they're all hound Dabo's Forman, and I'll give to you step further. If you think he's gonna die. Do you think will be at the head of the mountain? Do you think it'll be later in this episode? And if he does if he's going to die you think it's going to be gained bowl survives. But the I think the other day. I think Dabo sent torments curtains. Yeah. I agree. Exactly. Such the same page. Stay rigs have we been? Yeah. Clem to your on Saint page. Yup. Same age same page. I think we can all agree like, Danny John survive. Cheery Tyrian is everyone on the line for that. A little further because brand. We'll go Serb Rianne of tar the. Sir. Dead. I mean, she's so dead. Her her Javy are gonna die victim. There's are literally gave her a funeral. I mean, she had a a wake with like. Before she died as a living person. Yeah. They gave her and so she's fucking by the way, that's chick. Turned forget about turning dragon. You turn a Brienne white Walker. Fuck all watch out. Jamie. Wow. Her fighting Jammie. That's I think that's what we got. This is dying version. That's really sad. I thought her torment would hook up. Maybe that'd be a cold them. Banging. That would be awesome. Blowing. He's like standing on a barrel. That's high enough. Emplo didn't need that. We can talk. All we want about in the Nike. I do not wanna see Brienne blowing torment. That's just not also not convinced John and Danny both alive after this next show. To be to sorry. This up. So they're definitely one of them or both will die. Apparently a fucking forty minute. Battle ahead of us. It was like people are going to have to die. Here's my. Here's why I'm saying that is because none of the people that we've named us far are like top echelon deaths yet. Yeah, right there like kind of predictable. One major player. I just think at this point. Maybe it's just it's hopeful. It's wishful thinking Arias gonna die in this battle. That would be that would be I major character that would that would be a major just thought of this. What if they were saying all of that like the plan out loud because they wanted the night king to be able to like see it like ward to seeing it. But really there's another plan that they all secretly have that like someone else's gonna go and save Bramley John's actually gonna be with Brown or like something like that. Not of that. Hope there's a little something extra question becomes then. Like, how how do they know that other meetings secret? No, they would write it down like handed to. Wargin. Read that note. That's true. He's like. Does he can he read English or whatever is? We talk about it the more. I think that we expect to find out his motivations and its capabilities. And it's just sitting there laughing at them. Do the note thing. Fucking John's though fucking dumb asset guy. Just he just misses every time saying. Costanzo? He's gonna give me brand I'm gonna get another dragon from him on a fucking. All right. That's it. For game stools episode five. We'll be back for our regular recap episode after battle of winter fell painted. It should be. Re crying. We'll be crying. And I don't know. I haven't talked to him since but couple of weeks ago, I talked to Ross bowl in from clams cockles annoy stirs, and he said they sound answered. He said he was down to do a crossover. So maybe we could talk to him a little bit. So next week should be major episodes game stools between the reaction and potentially some interviews. Buckle. Let's go. So excited. I'm so scared. I'm tara.

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The White Book S11E31 443

"There's no shame in fear. My father told me what matters is how we Face It Off song Welcome to the white book podcast. The original A Game of Thrones lcg podcast originally founded in 2010 has to Champs in a trump we decided to Rebrand not win the game green launched the second edition a huge. Thank you goes out to Fantasy Flight games and George RR Martin for this game world. We love and of course to my co-host and you The Listener, please if you enjoy the show leave us a review on iTunes or you platform Choice comment on our Facebook threads or even better support us patreon wheel of turning that kind of support FAQ. Into the community. This is season 10 of the white book pocket loss of life, you know, Jon Snow Diddy for you. From. Which book let me guess is that from the third book? I think so, I think so. I feel like he is trying to pep Sam up if I remember right and wrong. Yeah the maybe it might be in book two. I don't know who might be this time. I was pulling it off of the cards rather than search by Samsung. So I have the exact reference in front of me this time. Yeah, I mean that could even be the first book cuz there's not actually that many John in Sam scenes dead in the books after after the second book after John goes on his his mission. Yeah, huh. I must have phrased something a little off. There we go. There we go. It's yeah, it's actually in Clash found it just now. Okay. Yeah, it is is definitely John trying to cheer Sam up interestingly in Feast for Crows Elaine basically quotes the exact same thing her father said there was no shame in being afraid only in showing your fear. Well man, Mark Martin recycling catch phrases well and speeches. I like nipples on a breastplate. Words are well. Well Wind River awards are we'll wind. I love it. Tell you what, let's turn our attention back to the cards this week 4 episode 443 of the white buck who we creep ever closer to 4:50. Yeah, ever closer marching on so this is in tight this the nice box is entitled. I just had a dog watchers on the wall on the wall Watchers on the wall Yep. This box I'm going to say is off gas as the as the young people would say this box is very cool. I think there's some really powerful cards and I think that it often does I think a really good job of Fleshing out themes. It almost has too good of a job. I guess you could say a flushing out the ins and it barely existed before the Box making them extremely playable. AK Builders wage also launching new themes that barely like could I don't even know if you could make a steward stack or there was any reason really to make a stewards deck but I just knew we have to give you a reason to do so in a way we will have to wait I believe until the next cycle which will talk about next time we do this is when the cook can you smell what The Rock is cooking wage? Is that really a new theme though? I mean all the way back in the first cycle, right? Then they have the search event. They'll let you let you pull one of each. But not specifically building around like like what did Stuart like Stewart's had intrigued icons right and builder's club. It was clear that like the first two themes I think had some pretty you know, Rangers, excuse me, and Builders had some pretty clear like signposts early on them, you know that they interact with the locations in the case of Builders, right? There's veteran Builder and the corset and then in the first cycle, there's whatever the Builder is God uses the cost of the first location you played round. I played Builders a lot, but I cannot remember all of their names like miscellaneous Builders. I think it's almost as long as that's a really good one free choice, but yes, I think Builder cuz the art is also interchangeable. Um, it's the same white dude with a giant beard and a gray sky doing something with the wall. Like it's the same art over and over and over again. But anyway, you know, they didn't and then dead. military icons with Rangers right and the military challenge with Rangers were really clear but stewards were really unclear in the corset and I think up to this point wasn't super clear the fact that like there was any point to playing a Stewart's deck. I mean, there wasn't a super big the only one that really like made sense to play was Rangers right as like a theme Jack itself up to the box, right? Cuz there was the event in the first cycle that murdered things and the you know, an aggression is always pretty good. It's Baseline aggression is always playable in Thrones right like clears bored somehow so difficult. Yeah, you can just you know, you can Cobble together like an even when you know, you don't go to and two in a tournament or something doing that but Stewart's life, I guess drawing cards, but even that's kind of in Sam trying to think of at this point Sam when does here but Sant yeah. Previously, sorry. I didn't realize you were going off. In the past first. Yeah, and then John John kind of assist a bad card and it kind of supported Rangers. So I don't I mean life we definitely got stuff fleshed-out. It's it's probably a minor quibble of mine that I'm not sure to my definition that this box really introduces new stuff two nights watch to me at least the the types of things we get here feels very different than say like the the Lannister box office, you know, where we get this big push into these new types of like rush and Wind by Intrigue effects or all this bouncing in and out kind of a group home and stuff that hadn't existed before the the Nights Watch box feels to me like the whole thing is just like you said like just kind of giving the people Is needed to gel that stuff together and give you a a reason to play the existing set up. I don't feel like it. Set up anything new for Nights Watch. I mean, I guess when we disagree here, I just think it's stewards. I just think there was no reason to play a Stewart's deck before this box. Oh, yeah, a lot of stewards. I mean they existed but that there was that Core Design decision to make the three trades quote unquote matter which you know, which something we could talk about whether or not as often as like that's a theme that works like the specific tribal to use that term works with nice watch but whether or not that like traits mattering as a general theme really works wage. I don't think it ever has entirely come together for Nights Watch is like making like a real like a deck that really pays you off for having the right splattering of them, you know month for their own sake I think that that's kind of just always been outside the reach of nice watch as a faction like you don't think no but I mean log I'm not talking about the tribal deck but that's all built all Rangers. I'm talking about how you like Knicks and Rangers six Stewart's for Builders. And there's a reason that you want one of all of them like a closest was the Valerian steel Build That Wall, kind of like pushed that was that kind of was was playing the three cost event that later comes out that lets you search for one of each but like your account of like certain one that was so low that you know, it was we were kind of like tutoring for John and and you know getting and John and halter and then are you getting Ranger for there was a Rangers in the deck for reasons, you know, cuz some decent nice watch Cars had the Ranger trade. There's no like reason really you wanted a ranger. It was just nice to have that third card. You know, you you see what I'm trying to say there will okay. Yeah. No. No, I think I do do get you that the the mix never came together only the very wage. Um narrow, yeah, the very narrow very defined paths. I gotcha. So which basically means that Night's Watch especially from these boxes release on really sort of differ cated triplicated. Is that a word into like three sub-factions wage that were on that? Well, maybe I mean, yes, there's individual decks and stuff. But I mean like it it became fairly clearly Builders and stewards and and range and those traits were much more of a focus all all the way through after this rather than just building a Night's Watch DEC page to really watch what you were doing with those. Yeah. I think that on one hand after the spot. I think we're I think you and I agree is after this box Nights Watch became I think off the deepest factions in there in sort of the diversity of themes that work competitively playable, but I think that the card base of each one of those was very narrow, you know, and it was very distinctive in a way that I think that for other factions is not the case particularly once a month. Into character basis and once you you know, there's some cards like been in stronghold that really push nice watch and then later urine but you know for a long time, you know, the stewards deck kind of ran entirely stewards and the later rat cook, right you needed so many stewards to make rat cook good that you were going mm her wolf for three more Stewart, right like like that and then Builders like notoriously there's gigantic fights among Builders players and more casual players felt like the specific sweet spot for both ears. I was always on the side of you needed a lot of Builders other people weren't but there's that debate was really important Rangers was kind of the one that was a little bit more open about that. But you know, there were so many military icons for nice watch concentrated off, you know, just that trait that it's occurring naturally happened, you know, and then the steal your stuff deck which kind of sometimes overlapped with Stewart's but for a long time the most competitive version of it didn't log Really play the Stewart stuff, you know how to completely different base of cards. So it's nice to watch is weirdly a very diverse faction after this box. Even if the specific diversity is set on like an arrow specific number of cards that make it so diverse if that makes sense. Somewhat. Yeah. I mainly I guess I'm kind of curious why that seems shoot now. I forget your exact phrasing. But but why that seems usual is just because you feel the the previous boxes before this didn't fulfil the pledge goal quite as well that that wolves and lions didn't bring the same sort of expansive like a new deck possibilities. Yeah, I think for a long time until urine And really until the end of the game you're in that last cycle urine. Oh my God, what's the to drop red green? Don't get to attack Mister Mall in there. We go off and came out. I think pure good stuff Nights Watch arm kind of what's the way I'm trying to this there was a lot less of it than in other factions. I think that other you know, this box succeeds and saying like, okay, here's the Stewart cards. Here's the builders cards. Here's that the Rangers cards and there's a money fewer cards in here that are just good stuff in every night's watch deck. So like like Tyra a great example of this or Orlando started at its peak right was you know, there's a lot of different night like Lannister decks out there. You know, there's Banner Banner Rose and birth Dragon and you know pin or watch, you know, there was you know better stag there was mono night Lannister, but you know about forty of the cards are the same, you know in those sects even if they're gameplay was pretty different and could be and you know in their made their basic game plans could be different the power level of off of the Blaster cards and Tyrell was another Factor like this at its height. There's a bunch of different nights Tyrell FedEx based around mace, you know, they thought well, maybe twenty cards would change but there was still forty cards that were the same across and there's twenty cards had a big impact but you still were seen so much of the same Tyrell cardpool that's not really the case of nice watch but you could play Builders one round and Stewart's next round and see a lot of different cards particularly in the character basis and that's what I think is where this box is successful. Okay. Well if if let's start maybe dialing things down to look at at some of those successful or unsuccessful cards in the box with articles at this point being more vague than they were to start with. Uh, we don't have that choice to go off of the same way. How should we tailor our look at some of these nights watch cards? Should we take a look at what it brings to the table for each of these traits in order or something like the the little nod we get at. Let's see a a very small nod at the whole choke aspect here could write a payment that I looked past it. I mean, yeah, maybe we do their job. Or any truck cards in here cuz choke kind of shifted the Greyjoy after a while and and then for like the middle part of the game and then it kind of went back to nights wage because they printed what was the what was it? That like reduced their Reserve reduce their initiative card in like yeah, the the winter location one. Yeah, I don't think there's one thing I can't just scrolling through here. Yeah, I think when I when I first scrolled by real fast, I think I had misread the new gift or or or or gotten exactly what cream the Queen's Crown did which seems silly. I mean to some extent that could be used as a choke ish card sort of I mean, it's 30,000 drinky way to get to it. Yeah. Yeah, if it yeah. Yeah, I think so. I guess we should talk about the five hundred pound elephant in the room, which is built home builders was the most influential deck that come out of this box. It took the game. China by storm in in the in a in a weird way. I think I think Builders was never really played as much as it should be this like that was Glazer's classic argument about Builders change and but it did warp The Meta entirely around itself and it existed particularly at first I think Builders had a really nice useful role in The Meta because it attacked the game on an access that many of the top decks of the time were not prepared to deal with and I thought that was really good for the game. But definitely Builders had frustrating play patterns a lot around off the card that adhere is Castle black Mason because Castle black Mason sort of kind of makes it so that they never run out of gas and Thursday. You know can constantly be finding its key pieces that it needs to create the lock alongside, of course abandon stronghold which you know is not the flashiest card and a lot of people, you know, don't quite understand. I think how important Advantage stronghold is to builders, but it is such an important play pay off card for the deck and Is alongside and it in in Castle black Mason are the two cards in this box that really just make the deck such a smooth powerful machine. That is really I mean it is playable up to age present like bowling or evenings a respectable deck. Even if there are more answers to it in the middle now and there but it is definitely the way the big the big monster in the room. It is key. I think that you mentioned the kind of fuel cards and then said specifically this box because whenever I'm thinking about this box and builders in a larger sense as well, I can't help but think of a card from the first cycle little diddy, you might have heard of called Brandon's gift and and to some extent I can't help but be fascinated by birth. And kind of chuckle at how much of the push of this box feels to some extent like a direct home. What am I looking for here like a like a direct push back against the meta and the kind of wide-reaching disdain for life or something like specifically Brandon's gift was was uh, but essentially a meme in the community, right? I mean, I know we reviewed it poorly and it was brought up many times is such a terrible card for so long because it was such a weird narrow application without anything hardly to trigger it and so on and then it really felt like this box was like hey, yeah, we we heard what you were saying. So here's how you make one of those old cards really good. Yeah, and like I mean cuz the thing that Builders suffered from right and and why you could it was really easy to underrate Brandon's gift. Hi. I mean I certainly did as well is that you know, they were just known others in the carpool. Like, you know, there was veteran Builder and holder, you know who were good but not particularly halter who was a powerful card for the moment. He was printed but there was no real reason to you know, and then again another really good Builder is printed in Shadow like Mason which we talked about previously as well and fine and you should definitely go back to our discussion about that card where we talked about a lot of Builders stuff if if memory serves well, but they're still wasn't a reason to go all in on Builders, right? I mean again, there was about six playable Builders at that time, you know, mid 999 cards you could play right so you could play three Castle black may have a 3 Shadow Black Mage Three veteran Builder 3 halter and that was kind of it and then there's the reduced locations one. Yes one brother swim brother. There we go. You got you got it there time so but there wasn't really a nice nice watch location that you wanted to produce. So basically you have this car this deck that's kind of existed before this box, but it was just spinning its Wheels, right it kind of wall deck if you wanted to be but there's no specific reason it goes so hard in on Builders because there was nothing here and then abandoned stronghold just gives you a reason to go all in on those Builders and gives you a concrete pay off that doesn't have let you to actually win challenges on the defense which is super useful for defense deck that the threatened that or even if you don't win you force your opponent to overcome it into a challenge to get a futile win. So, you know, they have to go all you know. Okay, it's a Crossing deck that needs to win all three check out. Changes, but to do to do that. It has to just like throw all these characters into a challenge. It doesn't like because of the immense stronghold and that prevents them from you know, doing them the Intrigue or the power challenge last name their Superior claim off which gives you two more, you know, an additional turn right and Bandit stronghold just gives you so much additional play because it you know, really changes the dynamic for a lot of where defense was at that time. We could start winning challenges and on the defense consistently and create basically a lot right a builder's deck. I think back to this point most defense decks couldn't really like lock an opponent out of winning the game but Builders definitely could pretty pretty easily like, you know, a good Builders player could have it set up with a decent draw could get it set up by turn to you know, if they knew them. Putting right and you know, that's a very frustrating experience cuz it means that because all decks are not fast decks to win particularly as someone who played Builders at a lot of competitive events. It's the kind of deck that causes your opponent to naturally I think most opponents Napster just slow down and try to figure out how they can get out of the Trap that they're in and you know, you their opponent can say like look person you can't get out of this but they don't they're not they're not under any obligation to believe you and so they may sit and you know, I've lost many games to time playing Builders because you know, I had inevitability but I didn't of power gained but I didn't have inevitability of time. I couldn't do it at 55 minutes because my opponent needed, you know, thirty-five of it to figure out, you know, how not to do anything and it Pappa challenges phase and that's a frustrating experience for both players. Like that's actually one of the month. I kind of started to shy away from playing builders that competitive events was I was tired of going to time all the time just a home. I think a key aspect of that that you're kind of leaning into there is part of why I feel that the defense deck says that came out was poor poor design implementation that I think that's not a good path for a game like Thrones to go down because right it's not a combo in the truest sense of what people are used to thinking about from say game like magic, right? And I think I think that's gosh it is a control deck but it in the context of Thrones in a lot of ways wage. is the closest like acceptable combo adjacent thing right in that it is using a combination. Pardon me for not having a different word ready at the top of my head here of cards to a Creed a board position that plays to a wage maybe not wildly different but a different goal and state then the standard rules of the game actually play to If you're looking at something like magic, yes, your combo decks are still trying to create some kind of lock but then as a general rule right off then they smashed face with some sort of beat stick and and the game through traditional combat most of the time or you have an actual full on combo deck in in dog. Phones where yeah, it's kind of dirty laying around doing its own thing and playing it kind of a sideways goal from the traditional goal, but then it if it goes off and does its thing like it's if it gets the right cards in the right order for that combination, the game is just over the defensive thrown Stacks are in this office weird, mash-up of those two goals where it's trying to assemble the pieces and then it's hitting into a it's hitting a Target that is kind of sidestepped from the traditional Thrones goal and then you just sit there and wait it doesn't it doesn't immediately reach its endpoint. It doesn't accelerate. It's and point it. It just stymies the opponent and then you sit and wait and I think that's why so many people It has rubbed wrong over the years and honestly why I think it it's not a good place for a game like Thrones not not in not in this form anyway, so here's what I disagree with you. Well, if we're going to go with the magic analogy, it is a control deck that uses a card like the five minutes of fairy to win home. Okay, which and yeah, everyone loves those two. Am I not I'm not saying that people love them. Well, I'm just saying that it's not because at the end of the day like Bill Gates does play honest Thrones in the sense that it's not gaining its power. It's like gaining to me. What makes a Thrones combo deck is that it gains that 15 power in a way that is extremely narrow and extremely difficult for your opponent to interact with and does so very rapidly. Right and that's where ladies comes from. That's where hyper Viper comes from. That's where Wonder Woman comes from. That's in many ways. Like we're mace can come 4 or fat cat. It's gaining a giant chunks of power all at once in a way that minimizes your opponents interactive interaction. The end of the day Builders isn't really that as you pointed out it is I you know in many ways, you know, no different than a chamber in chair deck, right? It has a location accelerant but that accelerate is two additional power at the end of the at the end of the challenges faced with that can be interacted with your opponent. Now at the end of the day the defense tools could become too powerful and create a lock but It was not you know, there were still points of interaction with that lock. Like people could get out of a builder's lock. Sometimes it happens. If there's a good Force to builders player to Fowler themselves or whatever. We don't need to go in a specific things. But that's where I feel life. Why I've there's a hill I will die on plays it I literally screamed at each other on this show about this is that Builders is a control deck odd reason so control players like Glazer don't like that cuz they don't like Builders because it you know plays on a somewhat different access it does, you know have a game plan that is, you know, unusual for Thrones, even if it is playing with in the challenges and you know, lots of people don't like the place dial filters to perfectly reasonable thing. They don't like their beloved control Martel and targeting control decks to be lumped in with the Nemesis Builders, you know, and so they slapped. Well, what's the biggest insult you could throw at a at a deck type A play style and Thrones and in many games as well magic is frigging dog. This is well. He's combo and I mean particularly our game like the deathworld the death word of our game is combo and if a deck can get stuck with the label combo, you know people start to get upset and what cards restricted in band and all that kind of true whether it truly is or not. But but that's also gets into some of the awkwardness of the way Thrones operates. Mechanically. It has it has been hard for some of those common terms to have a strict application to Thrones. Yeah, I mean if you wanted to be really generous as a combo control deck, right? It's a control deck that gets the point where it can execute it's it's combo finisher wish you could all see bike quotes by scare quotes around around it, but it's just a slow P need early finisher. Yes, but I think it's like killing somebody with cheese. What's the super old artifacts long-lasting Rod is it that's way beyond my knowledge of magic like that. It was it was like it was like paid 3 + Tap it deal one damage to a player. That would be great. That yeah, it is like that in many ways. And I think I think it's clear that you know Builders probably got like two pushed, but I think I'm going back to the metagame. I do think it was a very healthy injection into the metagame for a while. I think it got I think the builders took a while for people to figure out how to beat it and once it did I think it became a useful a useful pillar of the metagame where there were some matters that were extremely hostile to builders and then there would be and then the metal would get soft the builders and somebody like like Derek Shoemaker would break bring Builders to a fountain could roll people and then if you tried to go to the next big tournament with Builders people were ready for it, right as soon as people remember that filters was attacked. They were suddenly ready for it and they knew the play patterns they knew how to beat it off, but then they would get complacent and you know, lazy and Builders would come back and punish them for that and I think that that was one of the cooler things about about the Dex place in the metagame. Yeah. Here we go also, but but I'm sure what but I do think that this particularly I think the card that ended up being I think probably over pushed was Jack Black Bass in his is too good. Because you did I did eventually start seeing play outside of Builders tax as just like a good stuff guys watch card towards the end of of once we get Valerian steel and there's you know, how long will need for this ability to fetch attachments. I think of Castle black Mason had been printed a little less efficiently cuz like CBM with a plat practice blade, you know can get some work done. Let me tell you even when they're not searching stuff up like a for for these remark is a remarkably good. It doesn't get hit by chance for snow the frequent enemy of Builders decks. And again with the with the practice blade actually becomes a lot of five or six strength if you have the wall out. bike on So if it had been maybe like a you know for for two. It might have been a little bit of I think the builders would not have been a strong. No, I I agree that the stat line comes out pretty good for for for two. I think would be pretty reasonable. Gosh, I was I was about to also say pag 342 to be in for snow range and then I remembered he's just a straight-up action. So you could stimulate your throne said action that also probably would have been better. Yeah. I for some reason had it in my head that it was challenges till I start stop to read it again a wait a minute red its most frequently either a marshalling or. It's action. Oh, yeah, I mean marshalling so you can just play stuff which which also I think to some extent goes to illustrating some of this design perspective shift where in the early sets. I forget now how much we really hit on this in our early retrospectives. I feel like we did at least a little in the course at where draw and card Advantage was very carefully micro managed by the design team to push it into later phases of the game. So that most cards are not immediately usable when you draw the more search out or whatever if this had Castle black Mason had been a corset card, he would 100% be a challenges or dominance action straight up page most balanced as a as a challenge is action cuz the ability to keep him up until dominance and then start triggering them in dominance. So you get them, you know for defense if you need them off the account for you and then account for dominance. Yeah. Anyway, right well and it's vulnerable to Intrigue then if you happen to go ahead and use this ability before the entry game. Knowledge comes through things like that. Yep. Yeah. So there is another way the game Excel has accelerated as cards have been released that that careful watch on card Advantage has drifted off. Yeah, that's true. And it's another thing. I think the reason for that was just when you like when you met like they missed and some crucial factions about carbs and In once once you miss and and and it all gets kind of broken, it's really hard to put the genie back in the bottle. So you just sort of start needing to give everybody Genies if that makes sense. That's a month before or an upward going about card. Right? I think I definitely saw this on the show multiple times is my experience as a card game player and following, you know, multiple different card games am giving balancing your card game around the availability of card draw for certain factions and then saying like this factions Advantage is it gets to draw a car off. This factions disadvantage is it has trouble gaining drawcards is really really dangerous. It's playing with fire because you know drawing, probably the most besides winning. The game itself drawing cards is probably the most fun thing for players to do in card games, you know. Hey, you have a deck of all these shiny cards that you spent money on to chew on a dog. Them and play them like uh, and it designers kind of start be like well what you know players want to draw cards. Well, they should draw cards and it just easily thoughts spiraling and of course when you have an effect that you want to push, you know, you frequently like what's the easiest way to push in effect. It's slap draw a car on it, right? And so I just think that there's this danger when you you know, tightly balance things around card draw because as soon as it gets out of control it gets out of control and it's really hard to put that Genie back in the bottle now definitely happen with Thrones wage. I think it's a little bit later than this that it really gets out of control. I think it's maybe the Wyman is in the first Shadow cycle, right? If I remember is he or and God next cycle we're going to talk about I think it's five minutes in the march on Winterfell, which is yeah second pack of the first Shadow cycle. Okay. Yeah. I think it's at that point that draw truly starts to get out of control. And all the faction, it feels like every faction except Lannister is drawing a billion cards at all times and really the necessity of Life counting coppers. Unless you're playing Lannister really that's that's where you start seeing the fall of the rise of free card draw is the fall of counting coppers, and I think I could really see that we'll see that maybe a little bit more clearly maybe in the next two or so of these that we do. Once you get oh and then the Martel box, let's not forget Dorn that's going to be fun. That's a big turning point. So I think we talked a lot about Builders one more Builders. I think if they made a bandage strong a named Nights Watch location, and it was unique it. Also without also would have been a good balancing point. Just get two of these babies out much. Less three is sweet. What what about something like well, honestly, we spent a little bit of time on stewards wage. Well talking about how unfocused they had been but, you know, we haven't talked at all about Rangers hardly and and I definitely recall arrangers with our favorite recurring agenda Lord of The Crossing deck coming to Bear after after this box. It definitely was The the I think that was the first when Mira got sweet squeaked in into the top 16 at Jim, that was the year this box came out, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah cuz this Parts came out Rangers and there there was some Rangers that may grounds a little bit in store championships. I feel like they were winter that year and I played builders that Summer and that was kind of it's breakout performance, and Florian won some tournaments. I did pretty well in a couple of tournaments playing it and then the Met actually became a little hostile to builders, you know, and so we switched over to playing Nights Watch rains using is Jon Snow, who is my favorite card in the entire Pat Box, by the way, I think he's the probably the best one of the best design seven drops in the game. And and I believe that's when Mera bhi Kyle, right? Maybe could be right when Kyle was king of Swiss and then you know all the all the way and starting time and the other first time drama. That was 2017. And yeah, so that was I think the first gencon that this was legal, but yeah good definitely was because we almost played that Scott ended up playing the bad nice watch stag deck that Glazer almost all of us to play and that was with bestow cards and the Nights Watch box and no more tell box cards. So yeah. but Rangers was pretty good. I mean like Rangers the Rangers always classically have also having been on I think so I was on J&D to it's nice to watch team and I was on the winning Thrones Ward team. Rangers is always a deck that's like almost always just almost not there like it's just barely there right like it's okay. But never quite amazing, do you know will like and and you really see that in the cards here? Like there's some really powerful ones like sir, Jeremy Riker give everybody a power icon off Grand and pip right are are pretty good. But the deck just like never quite had the to really like consistently be a force in The Meta. I'm I think it it has a fairly straightforward put together like a package right? Like here is York Rangers aggro deck enjoy and like like we had said before a grow kind of just to some extent always has a place in Thrones the the way with the nature of the board State and challenges are in Thrones that that these aggressive pressure Dex. Always kind of become a a default measurement of everything else and nothing else but the Rangers if you compare them to something like say with Rocky targ see a blood stuff the the Rangers never got the the truly Bonkers pieces that they don't have their room with the world or whatever right? Like yeah. Sure Jeremy Riker their window the world. Yeah. They don't have that equivalent. Yeah. They've got like Jon Snow, which may be Loosely. I'm going to equate. Do you know Drogo in strength and Effectiveness and and Home in the deck and whatever but they don't they don't have the really Bonkers stuff that put it over the top wage. Most consistent Rangers decks were not running Jon Snow the card that was kind of their cow Drogo was the unique non-unique three Drop That Couldn't block off. Yeah, it looks really fact. Yeah, that one could get out of hand pretty pretty that was kind of it's like pay off. Little later. I think that's maybe in the next set or maybe it's in the Game of Shadows. Yeah. I think the problem that's watch like Rangers was always fine was always playable like you could take it to the deck and expect, you know, you could maybe sneak into a cut you could you know have a positive win record, but there was just always better aggro decks. He's like the like the era of this month marks. The best aggro deck was tarred Crossing which gets of course one of its most iconic Targaryen cards are is in this box. Plaza Pride, which I realize it was so late that process out. Like I feel like I've been in this card since forever forever, but it's no it's it's definitely probably the most busted card besides abandoned stronghold. In this and and build the wall in this box. It's worth as far as timeline goes. I mean, this is basically smack dab in the middle of the second Earth life sponge, right? So you you have been having to face off against it for quite a while. It just feels longer I guess but I was playing probably the most second issue I played was From slightly before this box came out to twenty the until twenty the end of 2018 so long so it was like this two-year period was probably the most that it was like playing Thrones. So like when I was playing almost every night on iron throne, and we were really taking off with our team and my best Tournament results were from 2017 to 2018 as well. So Yeah, so perfect it does it does. If you're willing to drive yourself or up and down the East Coast conveniently go into a lot of tournaments conveniently as good practice. I guess I think we should hold off on talking about Stewart's really in-depth a get to Rack cook, which I hear it's it's a little while because that's the card that really really pushes you but the new gift would definitely be my award-winning sleeper card of the set off. Who is it's very even remember it was very similar. I think we you and I reviewed I think the first set of these cards and then you reviewed the locations with Alex black. I believe I don't know half of it with Alex black. Obviously you guys back and abandon stronghold. We did. I think I honestly think it was holdover from the the meme that was Brandon's gift at the time. We we were blinded to abandon stronghold. What? Yeah, cuz when did this come out they come out like right. I feel like it came out like right when I moved to Philly we're shortly or shortly thereafter a 2016 at the end of 2016. And cuz I remember we were actually really happy when upand abandon stronghold cuz why am I had the the big folders car? The deck Ian Florian had were the first draft of it was they were passing around and I was extremely grateful when they let me be one of their playtesters for a job. Be able to take it to a regional and they were and mama was just very happy that you pay and abandon stronghold cuz it meant that people would just be ignoring the builders cards and he wanted the free Equity off but I think the new gift if I remember right I think people kind of I think the new gets screams much more than Brandon's gift does about like play Stewart's cuz it says explicitly drawcard right like on it and if you're kind of like waiting for enough like thier Stewart payoff, right? Like if rat cook had been in this box, we would have had stewards from the go right like the important thing about this box is gave to really boxing more than that cuz there's also wage Google minor in here, but there's at least two busted builders in this box alone Stewart's kind of gets Just it gets what's his face pit not Peppa. Satin who's really good in that deck, but explicitly just by Stuart probably just a new gift is probably like the only like super ridiculous card that they get here. It's going to take rack cook to really push it and we should talk a little bit more about what rack does. When we get to it or go ahead and talk it now. Okay. I mean we could I mean it did cause Are we almost lost Kyle forever? Because we got we got soul plus I don't know if we have time to go down that rabbit-hole. I think I think when we hit it in the appropriate cycles, and we can talk about that story, which is one of my favorite Kyle. There's so many real stories. But Kyle reaction to losing to get in cooked by the rat is I think about it all it really is if I if I need a good chuckle from having a long day at work. I think about Kyle and rat cook and I can't help but laugh and smile. Yeah. You just keep coming back to that. It's good. It's good. What else do we keep coming back to in this box office have have we mind pretty much all of the Nights Watch cards? I think we've had most of the important ones like I mean some other standout once he having super talked about Queen's Crown. Maybe we can talk a little bit about what we get all yeah, we we didn't hit on the kind of thieving theme at all. That's a fair point in there are several cards for that theme Here not only Queen's Crown but stuff, like now my watch begins. I tried so hard with Queen's Crown before new wall came out. I played so many bad Queen's Crown decks. Well, yeah, I mean it's it's inefficient low-cost not quite find its feet seal. There we go. That's the term. I was trying to remember not quite fate seal kind of card. But yeah, you say you need more pieces to really put this together. It is demoralized for the opponent even by itself though, even before you get a payoff card for it watching your life, you know tywin's or whatever hit the bin is demoralizing and the game it is it is and well it's demoralizing Until you realize that the steel cards are all bad. It takes 1 million gold. It takes for them to steal the entire one before the before the new all comes out. So, you know it takes like what minimum eight gold because you have to pay the locator you have to pay for the event in the second cycle right is the second cycle then off at night gathers comes out is rhe cost one. Now. The one cost one one that you can play out of your opponents discard pile. Oh, yeah. Yeah where you just play it? Yes. Yeah. So that's one goal. Then they have to have seven for Tywin and you're like, okay and and you have to have higher reserved than your opponent. So you have to reserve matters Roy reserved matters. Yes. Well the thing of course, right you're the balancing there is you know, like expensive or the high goal plots are low Reserve. So it's hard to you know time it properly. So anyway, that gathers was not as good as I lost a lot of games playing Queen's Crown night to gather sticks. That's all I'm trying to say here Will and then the new wall came out it all changed. and for next what's cards also ghost is also like a remarkably good card that I think people really learned how good it was when the Valyrian steel came out related to that of course is another sleeping giant Seasons Woodman who you know never was good enough for the builders deck cuz the builders deck was never really about putting a huge amount of attachments on your own characters. There was the the practice blades but that was kind of it so it wasn't really worth it to play Seasons Woodman off. Some of them did Sandy was always a big believer of this card when he was playing Builders a lot see a mascot but like it was you know, the the Euros wama and Florian were never big fans of life. So it's kind of like a little bit like you could see the potential of it, but it really required like a reason to go all in on the miscellaneous. Nice watch attached bits, of course. Florian. Floyd to me poop. Flame steel is just a Danny design, right or is it oh. 6 p.m. Yeah excited to core design. Sorry quo horse is Florian, you know, you needed something like Valerian steel to make you go off on the attachment. So we'll come back to Seasons with minute how busted he is at the end of our retrospective. Steal, but he's definitely a sleeping a sleeping giant here. Oh, man, what else is a sleeping giant? Oh, yeah, I just gosh I'm just ready to move on from Nights Watch to the other houses. I find myself. It's no secret that nice watch has long been my least favorite of the quote houses and quote from where a multi factions. Yeah. There we go for a multitude of flavor based reasons, but I feel like this box also really brought some some interesting and strong cards to some of the other factions. I mean salt wife had had some strong use a particularly became a male a staple immediately South passenger became a a motel staple notice. I'm already going straight to cards that can be abused with flea bottom the bottom. Oh, yeah, Salt Lake flea bottom. Yeah Plaza fried like you said. Really became a Touareg Jane. She she also remains weirdly played a lot for a long time because she's a two-for-one bike on with the right icons. Push start the only faction that it looked besides nice, which of course that I think hit it out of the park is we're starting to see the beginning of the era of non-stop good game cards. Well because both of these green cards are hits Yeah, I mean, they're not like slam dunk always run threes in the Dex. But hey, they they were I mean there were off I think any wind it was a staple for a long time of they're both Staples for a long time of the Crossing deck and then fossoway kind of just saw play some time in Mays decks cuz you wanted me he was efficient right for four sometimes renowned and you need its military. I am in the Maze decks. Yes ahead. And and sometimes you need a disposable like intrigued icons you were willing to risk and challenges. Yeah, cuz you definitely weren't putting Mason challenges could get popped back here, but it's not for on messenger or other nonsense. So yeah, I think that and then yeah, but they're I think each faction here. I think this is a pretty balanced non faction off non-core faction box, like even the Lannister got a playable card off fashion off that maybe like like not not ice watch right like no no no way Jose. Is offering alternate names for how we could express that right? Cuz black Bertha saw play and so did my Roshes can be really annoying when she gets going off. If you've got the money to spend. I feel like she hit right when Barry was still still struggling for some of that that income but I I do remember seeing some weird janky rejoiced. Yeah. Yeah graduates tag intimidate stuff that she got played in. Oh, yeah. The person you'll the person drawcard. Yeah can be real Annoying those great Droid X Blackbird Betha Betha saw some play remains like a popular Shaga card salt wife. Definitely saw a lot of play. Some people really love writing. The Bay of ice wolf was definitely playable and One of the better klansmen cards, it's over messenger was really good lingering Venom solid gene pool saw place a positive Pride saw a lot of play in both. Both of the tarot cards saw solids not supplied. So I think this was a this this box I think is great value for players. And I think I was so impactful in the middle like 798 factions got Decks that could cards that could go back into decent decks. You can say if you're being less generous six out of eight which hits a lot more than the other. I think than the other boxes that we talked about. I think oh, yeah, I feel like there were more without. I mean, I guess I could take a look at them again real quick, but I do feel like there are more factions that were just like flat and mrs. In those factions birth. Yeah, yeah comparatively so or at least they kind of need more pieces. Yeah. And everybody's three favorite free folk cards are in this box as well. Yeah, there's there's a there's a solid neutral contingent here. Whether you're playing free folk or I mean I saw other random decks running rattleshirt just for a month, you know reasonable attacker. Oh, yeah, like a rose Greyjoy. What was the middle play non loyal car? You only played non-royal cards, but you get the picture of word. It was like the first shot of free flow the gosh the Brotherhood without banners and hers which I believe is in the next pack work or life cycle. We're going to talk about I think right. Yeah, it was yeah. I mean like the funny thing is shows you though. Like these three records are all really busted rattleshirt. Dala and Crow killers and it's surprising to me that really they just they still weren't good enough to compete with the infection stuff. until free Folk like Halle is like a really strong card. Oh, yeah, the instant I saw that like is just engine and you know wage and you know, she didn't see that many really competitive wildly decks. You're definitely right that like rattle shirts on playing in some decks built around put found objects to put a put a put around on a post challenges like Mike's deck was for Great Joy very much all about. It also had salt wife well off and but they just really didn't see and you sometimes start kro Killers sometimes in Agra in in in In Crossing decks, but they just didn't really take like really these like really three just busted cards just really didn't see consistent play until free folk, which I think shows you again. Just how weak the neutral card pull is overall in second edition. That they I think they did overall do a better job in second edition of not printing particular characters that were neutral and sort of like omnipresent off by the closest was ever. The two for two meals to your opponent's faction card Shadows Guy. What's his name? Oh cried. He's a month old Bill bone. Oh Bill Boni boy get boned, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's probably the closest they've come to like how how long the top neutral cards were in first edition. To get your characters. Yeah, I can see that. So want to talk real quick about plots? Yeah, this is a weird realm for plots. I feel like these are more kind of experimental design space. Then we have been seen before especially something like the introduction of the white shadows really feels like trying to push the envelope of what a plot could do. It didn't really pan out as being competitively playable in the end, but it is at least some kind of weird interesting chaga designed space to play in It's also a attempt at an ed plot like not a lot of plots our net lee or our theme wins. But the white shadows is a shot at that and I think it's relatively successful. Um, I think the problem I feel like the white chess has like requires so much enabling that it's really just hard even for a shag a player to like really get a lot of really paid off for it, you know, like even a second place to crash do not one not two but sometimes like three Hoops to be able to do anything interesting with this card. You know cuz like you can't Valar morghulis the same time your wife shadowing or something, right? I feel yeah. Yeah, which I think again, I think shows why she can't lie don't see effects like this on plots because just of the way these kind of affects on plots are just really hard to build around even for players who are trying to go all-in. It is however one I I know a handful of folks have done events like this in the past. We did one here, even if the format didn't catch on them, you know, like wildfire so to speak but in a 2 V 2 4 2 Headed giant or whatever you might want to call that that format. You can do some some neat things with something like white shadows where your teammate can reveal that that necessary Valor that you mentioned. So there is some space, um that can still be played and and explored in some of these alternate formats. So I do still feel that it's something Yeah, I think also the fact if it had been until end of round and it could be a cool like Valor answer. Do you know what I mean? Like gave you your opponent is is going to Valor or or melee like, you know playing around someone you playing around resets. It could be cool like it was until end of the round it would have been cooler, but I'm sure I'm much more easily broken. So so I guess the there was an attempt to rein it in here. Yeah, I you know, the burns is is a big of a trap card. It not is never it's not never was good outside of nice watch trains and concrete El Sol retail in second edition. I mean for first issue players, this was one of the most ubiquitous plots in the by the end of registration when you start oh, yeah, no down. At all except for the fact that it used one of your seven slots. Yes, but and it was pretty Popular until Literally the next cycle like I remember retail was like the two it was the 2K lame plot that was promised until wind I came out. I mean it was a do we talk about window last time or is that not until the end of yeah, I don't think we've gotten that yet. Okay. So end of the cycle. Yeah, Um, yeah, so I think the retail was kind of like really cool to claim design space cuz I think they actually hit like on retail. I think it's a very balanced to claim plot inspection before Reserve is very brutal. And particularly the way in which retail, you know, sometimes you would open retail. Do you remember those decks and first? Yeah. Yeah that and that is pretty nasty to do to your offense like head it really is and even doing it turn to could be pretty brutal. So I think they hit it was like a you know, but they just sort of wind. I became it's just a better version of this like let's just be honest. Well, I think zero draw two cards, you know 5820 draw two cards is much better than 482. Yeah, you know you get to make your opponent first player, which of course a lot of the Dexcom wind died in second edition. Really don't want to go second. So yeah, not not to go too far down the road of analyzing you win or you die, but I think that was pushed off way too far. And that retaliation is actually probably about the correct power where this type of thing. I agree. We are in agreement there. Well, we might want to mention real quick last the Giants which was a big gift to control decks traditional control decks with the ability to giant Ferris. I mean and not some janky combo stuff to yes. Well, it was played in the combo decks right with me with what's his phase the the office at the mighty mighty other plots called the service really tried to hard. But in the end it didn't even matter love the Lincoln Park reference. Although this this that could try we frequently tried so very hard in May Stacks, uh to play called the service. It just was never that great. Good alternate Art card though, the wage rate all art Gosh, Bob like ripping up his being called in like by Joffrey. It's it's it's nice art. Like I have like five hundred of them from regionals. But God that man. I wish I remember what the trick was there was something one of our local players was doing back before locked down with this in a bear attack and some of the network cards was it using conclave cuz you could definitely maybe maybe it was just using conclave. I said since I could pull in person that I legit can't remember. I I wonder if I still have it actually in my card game DB. It's only been put on this computer Hub my login information wage, but I think had it in his Stark Enclave that he loved for a long time that I almost played at that world twenty. Seventeen right. That's when Reinhardt one right was 2017 the years all blur together for me. It was yeah 2016 but easy Miranda and Trump 1 and 2016 then it was Reinhardt then it was lennart then Francis. Okay, so we're world champions office. So yeah, I almost played that at the year Reinhardt one cuz I remember playing some chess games with Maddie in the hotel. And yeah, but that didn't really feel and so I don't think I have anything more to say about this this box. Well, yeah, I mean, I think we we covered a lot of stuff in actually off magically mystifyingly even faster than the two of us have done the last couple of boxes maybe because the themes that this box does wage It on it seems to be much more laser-focused and reinforcing those particular items. So maybe that's why discussion goes faster what we've done so already talked about Builders. Like I think that's also because a lot of the things in this box are already ubiquitous and the way we think about the game. We've talked about Builders a bunch when we talked about. I think we talk we talk to Extended discussions of it when we got to gift and when we got shout our Mason in our first so that would be like our third and fourth episode of doing this and then a bunch of the other big-name watch stuff is comes a little bit later down the line when when you know, some of these Steward cards pay off. So I think we gave the biggest takeaway of this box. I have been what we talked about building forty forty-five minutes 35 or so a good chunk. Yeah. I mean we can talk more about Plaza pride and how it greatly enabled that Target deck that dead. Will the game up to running lights are what helped Reinhardt go, you know, you're a champion to world champion right off that Target efficient good stuff deck Plaza Pride was in many ways to keep to that back. Like I saw this card carry so many tarde players to Victory. And it's just so efficient and helps with all their themes and you know standing standing Drew go with your second son's when paying one gold to walk, you know, get your second son's out and yeah. Yeah, it's just it's all of that action Advantage which we've talked about off and on in the retrospectives noticeably in the beef the talk about the beefy six and seven cost characters which goes straight to drogoz. You said it it Loops in in combos with the bottom, which we we've talked about, you know, the the card advantage and efficiency. There. It is. Just kind of the perfect intersection of all those themes to be such a staple and it's one cost. Drastically wildly under costed this this would have I think still seen probably just as much play at 3 cost. It's maybe not as much Plan through cost. Okay, maybe not as much but it would have still been a very common choice at 3 cost I think too. To and reduce it to you have to discard a 4 cost card to just to stand a so raise the goal by one lower the X buy one, I think would be a good spot for this card. Yeah, tweaking what you can stand with the discarded part card does change a lot of the power level here. Yeah, I mean like for example, if you just got rid of exes, you know X, it's three higher and keep it at 1 so like you have to discard a Drogo dupe to stand Drogo. Also, I think the interesting fact I just think the car is just over pushed it and just you know with the combination of flea bottom and then and then later Targaryen discard pile payoffs. You should really Yeah, you just get again. One of the most ubiquitous cards in the game. And it's any faction, by the way that you can stay in the carriage. So that may of course baby land a dragon on the oil so roof. Yeah. Yeah, he became very often particularly in melee for it really costs some issues. Oh, yeah. I mean once you also, you know get Queen's guard. I mean wage, I forgot that they print to the reductive version of this effect. Yeah. Anyway, we had more to say because again, you know there about 4 a.m. Super busted cards in this pack. Oh, yeah. There's one more thing. I just wanted to Jon Snow such a good design such a good design. Easily one of the best Swedish spot if all the seven drops in the game or box John the game would be so much better. So I could I could get behind that that would that would be very interesting to see things at that level. I mean, you know, he's strong he offers some interesting choices. You can he can be played around or tweaks. He kind of he pushes two different themes with some of those choices. I think there's a lot to like about it is designed. Yeah, and you never you never you never hear people being like Oh man box box drunk and run away with games, but you never be like, oh I lost this game entirely because my opponent saw job like all this game is about as women are my opponent sees John right? Like John was frequently like a closer like he John's really good at like finishing up a game that you're already like when you're at parody wage pushing you ahead. Right? And that's kind of where I think seven drops really should be cuz you know, like John can sometimes be a really bad top deck if he has no supporting character lives in cast cuz he's expensive. He does have a power icon. He doesn't draw you cards. He does give you some action economy, but he dead Has to win the challenge to give you the action economy. So, you know, it makes you think about the challenges. Anyway, I think this John is a really sweet spot and I want I think in a ways if when I'm evaluate if if folks don't know like how does Roy evaluate good seven drops this Jon Snow was really was really there for me. That's where you go. Well, cool, maybe white about seven drops on the show. We well, I mean pushing things like seven drops was a big design goal for a second edition. So I think it makes sense that we we would keep coming back to it and talking about it more. Well, I think that that covers the box. I think we we call it a week indeed. See. See you Thursday, Thursday Thursday. You heard it here first listeners, if you can get a hold of Roy's debit card, bam, you're in Could you actually edit that out? I'm sorry. Well, I was trying I didn't have time but it's actually not my debit card. I was definitely going to edit that out. Okay, I appreciate that. Sorry.

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Kit Harington

Sunday Sitdown with Willie Geist

36:01 min | 2 years ago

Kit Harington

"Hey, guys, Willie Geist here with another episode of the Sunday, sit down podcast, my thanks as always perplexing and listening along with us and a special welcome this week to all us game of thrones geek signs that turn absolutely of endearment. John snow himself kit Harrington is my guest this week on the podcast. We got together at the end of a long press tour as he prepared for the launch of season eight on HBO, perhaps the most anticipated most debated most talked about most speculated about series finale of all time. Can I say that maybe it is six episodes coming up game of thrones on HBO by the time? You've listened to this maybe Vardi seen episode one. He couldn't say much. They HBO has the lips of the actors the crew that casts. Everybody's so tightly sealed that I had to dig. And pry got a couple of things out of it for you. We had to stop a couple of times you'll hear kit. Ask the publicists if he's allowed to talk. About that. That's how seriously they take the series, man. It's been a decade long journey for him. The cool thing about kit Harrington, which I didn't fully realize I started digging in on his background is game of thrones was his first job onscreen. He was a theater actor he'd been in drama school in London when he won the lead in warhorse the play in the West End and from there he got an audition for this new show. They were talking about called game of thrones. He got the role when he was twenty two years old shot the pilot at that age and over the next decade, obviously game of thrones became what game of thrones is and he became who. He is based on the strength of this one show. So we talk about what kind of ride that's been for him over a decade going from anonymous stage actor for the most part to most of the world wouldn't of known as name, obviously to now one of the most famous actors in the world, and what comes after this. Where do you go from game of thrones? He's got an interesting take on that that he sort of got the thing right away. Hey that most actors worked their whole careers to get to which is big fame and financial stability. He's got both of those things now. So it's a question of what does he want to do with it? And he'll talk about that whether or not your game of thrones fan. I think you'll love the conversation with a super interesting guy with a great story to tell kit Harrington Jon snow himself right now on the Sunday. Sit down podcast get thank you for doing this my friends. Appreciate it. Thank you for having me before we talk about game of thrones. I wanna ask you about something. You just finished a couple of days ago, which was SNL. What was that experience like for you first time hosting? Yeah. It was I think it was on like look back. Some of the people hosted that some of the names that come out of it. The factor to what with and Michaels for the week. Amazing like book stuff, but not what was interesting about. It was it was a two medium. I think. There's no other like it in a live TV of crossed with this. So it's there's nothing like out this if trying new medium, it some median, it's it's. Yeah. What's it like at eleven thirty pm east coast time when those doors open you walk out onto the stage, and it's not rehearsal anymore. It's live butterflies or their nerves. What does that feel like I think I think they get you into such kind of? You say busy for the week that. Yeah, you saw like top. I've done. It's just like the knowledge that the two really. Yeah. I do Russell just before. So so you go from there hostile you have 'bout Hoffa. Now, you look at the show again, he goes straightens the actual show and not say he's just low like really turned on him rush. All right. So now onto onto game of thrones just quickly if you could kit recap the first seven seasons for me, just thirty seconds or so, okay. Dashi chart do that. Really that worth the was one king. He died that would then multiple kings he fought. And then to disrupt that the ultimate king himself the night king came and attacked seven kingdoms which forced the rest of those kings and remaining power imbalances to unite against him. That was fifteen seconds. Those incredible. I've made any sense. It made enough Senate. Okay. What's it like to be sitting here? Kid at the end of this decade of your life as season eight is about to be launched and this series will end in a matter of weeks. What are you feeling right now? I think it's interesting. We've been all still at what he feeling and it's a it's a it's a. It's a genuine question and one I think people Nyla would feel off the finish that many seasons of something that. Appall of your life, which has been so significant is very hard to sum up. I don't I don't know really kind of how to some those feelings up it, some parts sadness. It's some post joy at some pulse. Relief. You know, I think that it's in a name out some racing. And I think that's probably sums up the best. It's like I'm going to be watching it with the widest grin on my face. But the Saudis films in my heart. Sweet. Yeah. What was it? Like if you go back almost targets more than a year and a half when he finished shooting the season to say goodbye at the end that last cut and you slip off the cloak. What were those moments like, I think the? You know viciously. What people see on TV is is is us. The the the characters they know and. Thrones for me was was that was just what she watching the episodes coming up. Just a Tony Paul it, the family and the place of Belfast, and and always learned and it was it was the amazing crew. It was the policies we had it was the. You know, the and we've done that. Now that we say boy to that. And I think it's just watching episodes in two celebrating it. Very very felt like a leave is my leavers when we when we left very much. You're still pretty close to it. I mean, the season hasn't even started yet do think a year from now or five years from now, you might stop and go. Wow. What just happened over that last decade to my life and my career? I think it. Yeah. I think so. But I think also. You know, I think he's been a so or consuming for the lost ten years on needs some time to not think about it. And we'll always be reminded of it. I'll always be sort of. You know for as long as an actor. You know, I'll be referenced by game of thrones or reminded of game threatens and. I it's just I think. The so things I think any actors involved in the become game threatens that it's a very unique position to be in. But I think I think it's think there's a real exciting new chapter opening up by all accounts season. Eight was very busy season for you. And for your character. I guess it took nine months something like that to shoot the entire season. And you're in an awful lot of it was there some element of saying goodbye to characters as they came and went on those last episodes, but you were still there through the entire shoot. Yeah. I think. Yeah. I think that I mean, I was I was there. I in in my in my bits. I was. I'm always involved in the action of a lot of it. She means you that for maybe more than people who have just dog scenes. This. This is not a seemed to kind of just. Yeah. You know, usually, it's six six months and ten episodes over that and you'd be in and out bit. Whereas this was nine months, and I was out of this overly felt like the final season. I think when I look back is gonna feel is to be almost more memories. More things. That will stick with me from that season than than could portion of the rest of the show. I think if you go back to the end of season seven to refresh people's memories, there was a scene that I expect may shape season eight between you and your good friend Melia. And we learn afterward that he didn't areas our aunt and nephew will that dynamic follow-through into season eight, but we hear more about that. I think you probably will. Yeah. I think that that is one of you know. It's it's going to be an important question. The gets raised for dinars, and John I think. If the see how that unfolds whether they tell how it works. But. What's an how does feel is not going to say? I know you're not allowed at liberty to to discuss any of it because I'm from HP over they're going to shoot the blow. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But one thing they have said, you could talk about was the battle for winter fell which I think that out of those nine months, we talked about took three months or something itself. Just an epic at picks up. It was a to the extent of candidates goes the bottle of wind foam. That was the most testing. Thing. I think. Any of us should have done crew cost everyone like it was it was fifty five nights sheets. I mean us is of us were kind of in and out a bit. We had time to recreate the crew were in soldierly for fifty five nights. I think that they wanted it to be at night. I felt that was very important then you is going to be one of the most testing things that they could put through. But they we started, you know, we rehearse for weeks before on. But they started by saying this is going to push it onto the limits. We're gonna fall out during this. And we did that was that was you know, you not meant to work at night for that long. So. It kinda pushed everyone, but when we came out of it, the other end, I think we all knew that we probably were saying on something quite special on. I think it will be. Why would go and get you in any trouble. But are you happy with the way? John snow's story ins happy's a weird one. I I'm sorry destroyed with with how they finished. This my storyline. The storyline of threatens. I felt contented by the storytelling. I think he's can be very hard of said this already. But I think it's very ought to join live up to everyone's expectation people will have ways they think it should end of the people have ways they think it should end. My. My general theory about funds and people is they are why they're big reason why the the show is here. But you cannot satisfy everyone. I was satisfied. Have you? Have you told anyone outside the circle of the show out events? No, absolutely not and I wouldn't want to and they and they wouldn't want to my friends. He watched in. I have one friend. He's never seen an episode over that, right? I was avoided game of thrones. He just doesn't. It's just noise thing. You know? Everyone's thing he joy to watch. It for me was like digit some snow into it. And I love the ears. And he's probably the only person I'd tell because he li- he wouldn't have zero on right Jiro understanding of it. And no incentive to tell anyone else. Because he didn't quite care about it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's you've got to have friends like that. Yeah. Keep you guessed. You talked about the fans there's an element to game of thrones. Because it's so popular of scrutiny and speculation and people trying to read tea leaves and find conspiracies and predict plot twists what's it like to be on his show where there's so much focus not just on what happens on the screen, but what people interpret from what they see on the screen, and and talk about online and have podcasts about and are so invested in. In all honesty. I con account read too much of it read read it toll in fact because. Being in. It is off. Need to sound. No. I get it on gracious. I love the show of the biggest fan of it. But I think after shooting it for that many months. That many years, and it being your whole life pretty much, you know, like your whole a big part of your professional life. Reading up on it or. Oh, kind of paying attention to what fans thing cool is too much for me. But I love the people speculate over I think that's made the show what it is. They've done always said this is going to be a water cooler show. And I think that the idea of a water cooler show is somewhat died recently. With the advent of shows being brew out on on mass like lie in one. So they're all available in Stockholm straightaway. Throwing his one of those shows that still weekly, and I think that's contributes to what it is that contributes to the speculation around it and the theories around it, and that's what makes it still exciting event. Tv you were I think twenty one when you auditioned for the show is that right? Twenty one twenty twenty one something like that. You were in warhorse and apparently game of thrones proofs for saw you in warhorse in the West End. And asks you for an audition. Do you remember what that addition was like it wasn't actually a it was just an audition kind through? I said I could have you know, we say choices you making life, isn't that that you you look back, and you go I remember nearly saying those the drums school ended up going to not going. I remember being offered me a continuation of my contract for another year. And you know, it was it was a job as not doing. It was work, and it was excessive show, and I thought and it was to know whether to say, yes or no. And in the end what no of to move on to something else to keep moving is not too. So I said, no. And then this addition came through while they'll vision every young actor in UK for thrones. One of the big pulse was Jones snow and remember reading it and going up for it knowing somewhere inside me that this was in the canon of work. I could do it felt like Paul. I was in the right costing bracket for you. Just get gut feeling about those those roles you go. I know I can do that one. I don't know. What can I can do something with it into the mission field? Good. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the first audition even though to tape. It wasn't with the producers or director or anyone it was just me and the cost director's assistant. You know in a kind of in and out process when we other actors and had a black eye, and I heard about that. Yeah. The result of a fight. It was a result of fight years ago. I mean, it's no not really important now. But it ended up, you know, maybe possibly helping me get the role is as ruffians sort of balls did warrior. I Don I write another twist of fate. Yeah. Helped you there? So you get the part, obviously, there's no way you could have imagined what this show would become. But you knew HBO was it. Good place for creative people. You knew that it was going to be broadcasts around the world. Did you have a sense that you were signing up for something special? I think you know, I've I've wanted this in the post by saying no, I had no idea. It's really hard to know. Now, it just genuine. Very difficult to know. What is the way it was going to be? But I don't think I expected anything from it. And think of glad I didn't. I just. But then I was not too young actor. He was in an American TV show. Yeah. A pilot and then a first series for that was enough for me that's like being in the nights bureau series. That was like Cathy's does. Well, don't can't forget second season in amend work in an amazing on within mazing channel like. So it it doesn't. I think the worst thing to do as an actor young actor, otherwise he's going to anything with the expectation that it will be anything. You know? I still have to stop myself doing I've got in trouble with that before going into movies thinking. Well, this is going to do this. Well, this an awards thing. This could be a and you shouldn't do that. Because then you separate yourself from natural work. I think to illustrate just how young you were when you got the part of a photograph that you may have seen you and some others in the cast visited George are Martin at a book signing, I think it was in Belfast directly Nuys the gentleman on the right there. I've seen that amazing. We should have just shaved some. I look more like him than I usually would. But maybe not. I don't think you do producer set me. This is the picture. I think they've cropped about maybe not. So you're twenty one they're twenty one twenty two when Sophie housing when you look back at those faces and that time when you think about well that was that was really innocent time compared to what it feels like now. Because that was a book signing with Djalma. And and there was already a fan base surrounding the books. And that was weird enough anyway because really meeting fans hadn't even shot the thing. So I guess there is my first experience my very first experience with any kind of. I guess notoriety or fame bright because we people wanting foes with us and to sign this. And that was very exciting. I remember being really excited by that probably ringing, my mom about it or something. And now, you know, inevitably take that for granted a bit with all of this or maybe become jaded about it. So it's it's interesting and exciting buck of that really did go from zero to one hundred in terms of how quickly you became famous around the world. I mean, you this is your first big onscreen job. Right. I think it wasn't quite as quick is. Now field though, I think that season one did. Well, but it wasn't you know, we no minute for it. It wasn't the stratospheric kind of boom season one. It's global. I think it took about three or four seasons before it started to be Ed in lots of other countries. It started to. Then it was breaking out that was the huge. We forget now. Yeah. And we won't forget in the future about thrones. But then it was breaking bad. That was the big show. That's everyone talked about news. Anyone breaking bad? So to finish the thrones took over that mantle. I think for can be so bold as to say that. But. John snow was a different character. In those first one two three four really up until his death and the end of season five when you look at the arc of Jon snow. How do you view it? Who was he at the beginning? And how has he changed now as we as we hit the end, I think one of the things about one of the unsatisfying things about playing Jones. He doesn't change. One of the satisfying things for the audience is that he doesn't change much. He is your he's the staple. He's the solid. Reliable character. The good honest. Most sort of the closest to a hero. In this story house, which is full of. Despicable people and villains and and complicated characters Janis. Somewhat reassuring is a character thing. But he does go through Johnny. And I think. The most interesting poll that journey is. The fact that he is you know, he keeps trying and he keeps nearly giving up and then being brought back by someone. To continue, and he's just dogged warrior. He gets knocked down and then picks himself back up guess not down and picks himself back up. And Nazis development really throughout the whole season. Is he just wants he feels like me at the end of the first. It's what's to Latin and wants to go bad. But he keeps going. The Jon snow lives in you even sitting here right now sitting here. So when you got that season five script for the finale. Yeah. And you got to that last page you thought, oh, this is this the end of my run on the show. Or we did you know where it was headed. I felt like I felt like I think with the story anew you Nuff about. Narrative on how the story should work to kind of know that the cone kill econ killer catcher that point like Jones ni- that he was probably only was in the dock for about two weeks. And then David and Dan told me. But I think I knew I was like I feel like it would be bad storytelling to finish him like this and to finish him at the end of season in such a way as a cliffhanger, right? You know, if you're gonna kill Jon snow, you can him in the ninth episode, and then have the tenth is it kind of wrapping up. Right. That story. You don't kill him in the end of the tenth episode as a cliffhanger for the next season narrative Lee was ever tell I guess it was a question of how they were going to bring you back. It was the only question your mind. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of we I remember Woody rumors about Minnesota and all of that. But we'll surprised about with that was how well I think HBO David, Dan and all of us really sold. It. I think that. It was really well marketed. It was really well. Written by diving down. It was well sold. The fact that people had this is he isn't he Brian question. Right. I think it was well dealt with. So how would you say you've handled this part of it the fame of being magazine covers and people chasing you with cameras, and the fact that this was your first big job. And it was the job that's made you famous around the world and that you'll be remembered for forever. Was it scary at first was odd. But was it like to be someone who was recognized everywhere? He went. I think of dealt with it while at times really badly others. I think that. This bits. I'm proud of is is I think this. I've I think of St. there's Paul of me that stayed very much me as not changed. When it's very easy to think. When you're in the in the office stool, light like thrones. It's not the most comfortable place for them. I'm not going to lie. Wade Liam not great found out through thrones on no, great with certain, son amounts or types of attention. It's an old thing. I don't you know this. So few people that have gone through something like thrones. The specific kind of. Joanie O thrones that you have to be really close with those people who know about it, which is Melia, and so fear and maisy and. My wife and thrones is specific type of kind of fan base and fans and and. Sort of storm that surrounds it. The kind of those people you witnessed it as well from the inside sort of. A worse gang advice. People could understand what you're going through. Yeah. Right. But then, you know, I it's it's been a crazy journey like really an amazing one one. I'm so privileged to. Yeah. And you've said for all the great things that came out of this show by far the best is that you met your wife on the show. I mean, what more could I it's it and that everyone meets his wife chasing her down at snowy mountainside in the with a knife throat in the scene. That's quite an introduction. Yeah. Yeah. But she, but she helps guide you through this. Yeah. I think we also we also have felt. That we're going to re restore life of ones thrones finish finishes because we all happens that we met in the show. And we've always tried not to be defined by a bit. That's just a job. We mel. And I think once the show finishes we get to. Kind of break free. If at at been just be us, which is a really nice feeling and thrones. I always I I've said this before but it's given. May possibly my feature family. It's can be my wife. It's given me. Friends for life is me. The most incredible memories is got give me something on the bookshelf. Which is a story. I'm so proud of and a character. I love I will love more than any other character. I ever play. And I don't I don't really there is any way of saying. Thank you to it enough. The never will be. And I think that comes back to the question about how do you feel now it's finishing? Well. Their own words to describe how I feel about it. That's beautiful. It is. Hey, guys. Thanks for listening to the Sunday. Sit down podcast stick around to hear more from kit Harrington, including what he's got planned after game of thrones. Hey, it's Chris as from MSNBC every day. I come to the office, and we make a television show and every day, I think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see out every day. They're driven by big ideas. Each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening. New episodes of why is this happening every Tuesday? Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Sunday. Sit down podcast bore now of my conversation with game of thrones star kit Harrington so not to rush you to your next job yet. But have you begun to? To give thought about what's next for you post game of thrones. I have. Yeah. I. I feel like throwing just give me an opportunity to go and try lots of different stuff be brave and decent really quirky things and take jobs, which might be failures. I don't know. I'm I'm I feel. I feel like I did a play recently added play coutry western in on the West End. And it really reminded me of my love for theater. So I fully intend to be doing more of that. And hopefully. Something that's quite fall from Johns nine and fantasy like. We'd rolls. The now is to put it other people coming to you though, predictably and giving you some approximation of John snow once you'd be hero who wears a cloak and sword clever. I think they've realized that I'm not gonna take it. You know, the why would I wanna go and play another version of John sny? Right. And even like heroic grows I really have to look at the my because. You know, I know about heroic roles that I'm not dome for so long. I feel it's an what more I can give that bracket of character. Right. So I'd like to. That's why I say with a quirk stranger. Also this just shaved a look so different feel so different with. I'm like this charm. Find a whole new different character person, you all within this although rose on and like the beard back as soon as possible she keeps actually. Actually, put with a strange looking. Okay. Maybe I'll grow back. I've got asked two questions for your fans number one the cloak is. It the same one through eight seasons nut. No there were two cloaks. Okay. There was a cloak at the night's watch which was the black Nightwatch cloak, right? And then he got given this sort of very much stock most Ned stats right height cloak, right? I think the the one from the night sorts coat fleas. So that's change up. I imagine it's a little gamy after a decade. Yeah. Do you to take that home by any chance? It's like you've earned it. No, no, they they they laid claim tool those props and costumes as soon as we left that it'll go to museum somewhere. I'll get one day you'll you'll get wonder next question is in these these winter freezing cold now at night battles. Like winter fell. John never wears a hat, and we worry about his health. He's going to catch a cold or has ever considered wearing a hat in battle. Now. He's has to important. That is true. Yeah. It's too important to. You know, I feel at west wouldn't work. Feeding gets show his Bono. I remember all scheme for a hot ones. And he said like can I just wear a hat reminders? And there were like. Go kind of brand now that we need. The golf leaning into the hair brand. Yeah. Your background growing up. When did you catch the acting bug? What was it that you saw you heard that made you say that might be something? I could do I just for fun. But for a living someday, I was taken to the theater a lot as a kid by my mom and dad's by love is but mum's specifically was a playwright. So she so I think that it was always the in the background of much older. And then I saw production of waiting Goto specifically, but the English touring company on my leg Thatcher was to share. And I'm being so mazed. But what is act is did with just two men on stage for majority and found it was so funny. It was so moving that play the I am I I think somewhat then the age of thirteen I want to do that. And then. And then I think it became the only thing I was really interested in was performance. So there was never chance to be anything other than an actor as you look back on it. I think I was I think this is my vice to anyone wanting to be an actor. I think I was sensible enough to be desperately trying to find. Any other option? I think I wanted to journalists or something I was like this to be another option of career hit. That means I won't end up Desta cheat. And that means on on just so obviously hard to succeed in. Breath, and it and off the realizing that this was the only thing that I loved them on it today. That's when I wanted to do. And luckily for me it allowed me you have to test yourself a little see if you've got the trunk aren't anything else. Let's go to the only thing you really want do. Great. Thank you so much. Yeah. That's great. Thanks, really my thanks to kit for that conversation, as I'm sure you all know by now you can watch the eighth and final season of game of thrones on HBO, Sundays at nine o'clock eastern. And my thanks is always to you. For checking out the Sunday. Sit down podcast you hear more of the full length conversations with all of my guests. Subscribes? Never miss an episode and don't forget to tune into Sunday today every weekend on NBC. I'm Willie Geist. We'll see you right back here next week on the Sunday, sit down podcast. Hi, it's Lawrence O'Donnell. If you love MSNBC where your heart on your sleeve, you can gear up with t shirts. Hoodies hats and more from the last word and all of your favourite MSNBC shows you can shop now at MSNBC store dot com.

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November 15, 2018: Hour 2

Here & Now

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November 15, 2018: Hour 2

"Uh-huh. I'm Jeremy Hobson it's here now. And I'm in London today. It has been another day of drama over Brexit. Prime Minister Theresa may held a news conference this evening. She is standing firm saying she is going to do her job make tough decisions and push her Brexit deal through parliament, my approach throughout has been to put the national interest. I not a partisan interest, and certainly not my own political interest. I do not judge harshly. Those of my colleagues who seek to do the same. But to reach a different conclusion narrowband some of those colleagues have resigned today, including May's Brexit secretary also member for own conservative party calling for a leadership change. So a lot going on here. And we will follow it during the show. Okay. But I to California where the Wolsey fire is still burning in the south in the north Butte. County officials say there are now more than three hundred people missing from the campfire and there are questions about whether a qu-. From the utility company. PG any may have ignited that fire and questions about whether the is being held accountable for its role in other fires last week. The company told state regulators that one of its transmission lines had an outage around the time when the location where the campfire is thought to have started and this week campfire survivors sued PGA, saying it failed to maintain its equipment. Well, PG any stock dropped more than twenty percent yesterday. When the company said, it's insurance wouldn't cover billions of dollars in liability. If it is found responsible Dale castle has been covering all of this for the Sacramento bee. Dale bring us up to speed it's common for tree limbs to hit power lines. And cause sparks that. Cause fires this has been an ongoing concern, it absolutely has Robin last fall. When the the horrific fires at the wine country and killed more than forty people. PGE's equipment has been found responsible. For majority of those fires. And the is facing an excess of ten billion dollars in liability. From those fires the company has started a preemptive program to trim tree limbs more more aggressively and to actually do preemptive power outages when the winds kick up fact, they had one of those about a month ago. They thought about doing one last week and cancelled it because they thought the winds at subsided. So PG any is really up to its neck and wildfire issues, and it looks like here we go again. So the company is making the case that it's doing the best it can that. In fact, one of the biggest problems here is climate change, and the increasing heat the the wins that whip up these embers, but your colleagues at the San Jose Mercury news right to say, remember PG is a convicted felon for its negligence and the twenty ten San Bruce. Gas line explosion that killed eight people, and I guess questions about what else the company can do. Can it put these lines underground? I mean what else can do? What's the thinking is it up against an insurmountable problem? Or is there more that could be doing? I mean, they have you know, thousands and thousands of miles of power lines. And I know it's been suggested about planting the lines underground that's a long term solution certainly that the company has discussed, but that's not going to happen tomorrow. You know for the immediate future. You're talking about power lines strung together overhead by power poles. So what do you think will happen here? They are saying they won't be able to pay but people who've lost homes are suing. Well, exactly. And nobody's quite sure where this is going to go a couple of months ago, governor Brown signed into law, some legislation which gives PG any and other utilities partial protection against liability. If it's found that. The company was not negligent the public utilities commission could allow you Tila to pass on at least some of the costs to rate payers as opposed to the shareholders. So it's at least partial protection, but it doesn't kick in until January of twenty nineteen. So that doesn't do the company much good for the fire. That's burning right now. It's also worth remembering that PG new has gone bankrupt. Before he Jeannie went bankrupt in two thousand one during the energy crisis. When it's reserved we're kind of bled dry by Enron and the other wholesalers and the lights stayed on. Well was that because taxpayers bailed the company out? I mean is are you looking at Californians both suing this company for what they see as negligence, and then potentially having to help bail the company out while there was no bailout in two thousand one the creditors. The energy sellers to kind of a. But I don't think the legislature is going to be in any mood to fork over money for PG e but it is possible at least with future wildfires that rate payers could be facing higher monthly utility rates. Everybody seems to acknowledge that I hate the phrase. But yeah, this is the new normal with climate, change and other factors the summers. Get drier and hotter and the fires get worse and worse. Well, and you mentioned the law that governor Brown signed recently, and some people are calling that a utility bail out and one of your legislators there Senator Jerry hill says that maybe PG he has to be split up. Is there any thinking of that? I don't think it's I mean, it was definitely a controversial Bill, and it was labeled a bail out by critics. I'm not sure anybody has demonstrated. What good it would do to split up PG any. I mean, I guess presumably too small. Companies could do a more efficient job of maintaining the power lines and transformers and all that. But I don't know that that's proven fact either doesn't sound like there's a good solution here. No, there's no easy solution because the fire seasons getting longer and longer. It's November out here. It's actually cold. This isn't happening in August. And reminded that people are in tents and things and they're cold. Exactly. They'll need their utility deal Casler of the Sacramento bee. Thanks so much. Thank you. Well, even as people come to terms with the devastation in California the tourism industry throughout the region is expecting to take a big hit. And it's starting to feel like a new normal. Yearly fires and the smoke that fills much of the region from Jefferson public radio and Ashland, Oregon. Liam Moriarty reports. For decades. The green show has been a staple of y- Oregon Shakespeare festival in Ashland. The free outdoor show. Six nights a week. All summer has a changing cast of musicians dancers and other performers. Lubbock toria Latina trio from Los Angeles made their green show debut here in two thousand sixteen. This summer loving toria. Played the green shows final performance in late August seven weeks before the season was supposed to win. The reason persistent unhealthy levels of smoke from regional wildfires are losses. This year. That are smoke related will be over two million dollars. That's the Shakespeare festival's artistic director Bill rouse. He says there were twenty six performances of main stage plays at the festival's twelve hundred seat outdoor theater that were cancelled or relocated to much smaller indoor venue because of smoke. Then there's the impact on the wider community, the most profound hit financially is people who just choose not to come because of smoke Rouse's says those people don't see plays. They don't go to bars and restaurants. They don't go fishing or biking or river effing travel, Oregon, the state's tourism agency calculated that during last year smokey summer, Oregon, businesses employees and governments lost nearly seventy million dollars. This year's losses. Haven't been counted up yet, but they could will be. More recent wildfire related impacts in California and Washington as well have brought west coast tourism agencies together to tackle the threat Ryan Becker with visit California says many out of state tourists. This summer had the impression from the news that the entire coast was on fire and cancelled vacation plants in places that were completely unaffected. He says one major initiative of the new west coast tourism recovery coalition is a website to make sure travelers have accurate information. You can get all the information you need about where the impacts of the fires where the impacts of the smoke travel planning sources from all of us. So you have it all at your fingertips, but letting perspective visitors know that things are it really as bad as they think will go only so far Brad niveau with travel southern Oregon, the regional tourism board acknowledges that smoke is likely becoming a regular part of summer here. Niveau says if the tourist economy is going to survive business, people are going to have to get creative when we had these icon of businesses such. The Oregon shakes professional or held jet boat excursions or the Britt festival that could lose their business because visitor will not come. We need to start thinking about reinventing tourism economy. First step. He says is to get some data. We've actually started recently who else has had to change their tourism economy. And we don't really have a lot examples Oregon governor Kate Brown recently announced a fifty one thousand dollar grant to travel southern Oregon, it'll pay for market research on consumer perceptions about the region at how wildfire and smoke may have changed their willingness to visit business leaders are already pondering ways to adapt. But Brad knives. Says there aren't a whole lot of options available to the many outdoor recreation operators that have made the region a summertime destination. Hiking mountain biking, rafting, Jeb boating. Any of those things that are key to June July August because we have higher water levels. We have great weather, usually, very family oriented because kids out of school that is very difficult product to reinvent some hope more. Program of thinning and prescribed burning. The surrounding forests will reduce the size and frequency of wildfires. But whether that will happen, or whether it would even work is far from certain meanwhile communities that rely on the tourist trade are watching the climate on which they built their economies change. And it's not yet clear what they can do to change with it for here. How I'm Liam Moriarty in Ashland, Oregon. This is here now here in London where I'm broadcasting from today almost everyone knows who John snow is not kit Harrington who plays John snow on game of thrones. I'm talking about the news anchor. John snow of Britain's Channel four. Hello. Good evening. The fragile agreement within the joined ITN in nineteen seventy six and became Washington. Correspondent in nineteen Eighty-four since then he's traveled the world to cover the news. And he sat down with me at the I T N studios will Jon snow. Thank you so much for joining us. It's a pleasure to have you on the show pleasure to be here. How do you think that Britain got here? Why was there a vote a couple of years ago? Why was it so close, and why is everybody so determined to actually carry through with its very simple. The conservative party has been split on Europe ever since we entered the European Union and even long before that and David Cameron reached the point. He was prime minister the time way he felt with Zony one way to resolve. And this is to have a referendum saves a referendum to heal a hopeless division and the conservative party, currently as we speak the conservative party now is more riven more divided than it's ever been in probably it's entire history. The referendum was staged in the sense that it was cold. And it was a binary question whether to be or remain in Europe. But of course, it was an absentee massively complicated question to which was not an easy binary onset. The stay. Really doesn't mean anything and lots of people who typically old people who really did want the Britain Britain of ESPN. You know, when Tuchel was around, you know, there was this sense of deference and the union union flagman, something, and you know, they have a son kissed view of the past some of them still think that they're going to get that they do some of the dead. Of course, you know, some of the people who voted a lot of young people didn't vote didn't vote a tool really thought the whole thing was not something that they needed to bother about. And that's another factor in what might happen in the future. You think there'll be a second referendum? I'm dubious, I think the political classes are being so badly scarred and stung by the first one. I mean, we live in a Representative democracy Jammie who tried referenda in the thirties and delivered them Hitler ban in. In a nationwide referenda to this day in that constitution, and we should do the same. That is not a sensible way deciding extremely complex questions and Ken leave you with some very serious trouble. A lot of people have made the comparison between the Brexit vote and the vote in the United States for Donald Trump, which a lot of people in the US didn't expect to happen. What do you think of that comparison? You just got back from the United States where you were covering the midterm elections for Trump Preet Brexit. They are very very similar entities. I think many people accept the the Brexit vote, particularly for those who voted to leave goes back to the banking crises of two thousand eight response. This government, I think possibly in America to deal with it. Not my jailing bankers. No, it wasn't fact to cut public services. So saying inequality is at the heart of inequality is the haunt of this high. I see both sides. Of the Atlantic. And I don't think we can live in this way. And longer we have to accept it is stunning to European that this gorgeous country America has, you know, all these resources all these riches, but has no welfare system. And by that, I don't mean does not map saluting. I wealth have their chinks of welfare as even a bummer cat. But you're only have which is cradle to grave cat, although will be it's being badly eroded, we have cradle to grave welfare had an absolutely free health service. But what do you think about the fact that the response to that issue of inequality is a move in both of these countries to the right not to the left? Well, that's what's so strange. I think both votes represent people who say, frankly, they've tried everything else. We don't like the way things all and frankly would just try this. And after some very loud voices of told us is going to be turned to be good for us. So let let's try to we tried the rest, and we're no richer said, it's. I I got to know you on television when I was a student setting in London back in two thousand three and you were covering the build up to the Iraq war when you look back on all the things that you've covered dries Nelson Mandela, the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Iraq war this. How does it stack up in terms of its importance in British history? Well, this was described by a minister in the present government who resigned the other day over Brexit who described it as the greatest catastrophe facing Britain since the second World War. And I think that this. He's not wrong. How do you think journalism has changed since the nineteen seventies? Well, I think it's much easier. I I'm not doom sad. I mean, of course, the session network is introduced abuse. And and also fake news. And this that and the other, but generally speaking for those of us who practice journalism, it's infinitely easier. We have access to untold conscious of information that we could never have got the full government cannot tie up in red ribbons things, which they don't want you to read they get out and published online and the rest of it. And I think that the acts the digital age has facilitated what we do in a way. No, none of fullness could ever have imagined for the better the worse. I think for the better, I think both the New York Times and the Washington Post a better than ever mean. I actually think NPR is better than it's ever bean. And these people go around saying, oh, you know, he's gone dunks. They're no good Jennifer sniffed anymore to fake news. I'm sorry. It's not actually true. Of course, there's a lot of. Annoys at that. But if you want to know, the facts, you won't know, the facts, you can get them in a way never mean to get them before, you know, we get emails all the time to people who listen to our show and experienced this route my time at journalism in the US, and they say, why aren't you as tough as the people in Britain? How come you're not asking questions like them? There's a more combative approach I feel like journalism over here. Do you think that's true? I think it's true. But I do think it's the job of journalism to ask competent questions that that you know, he's actually to question power. I think one of the big problems is not journalism, but it's pilot. I think the consequence of the NAS twenty five years of the growth of the financial services industries right across the world has been to sap up some of the greatest leadership in the world. Some of the most able people some of the most creative people I have interns went for me who said I. Desperately wants to be a journalist in great. I'll help you every way. And they said when you know what we're gonna do we're gonna pay off student loans. So I'm gonna work for insurance company in the city, but I'll be back in. I'll be calling you. Five six seven years on. Hello Gladys you still at a when I I've paid off the low, but we're getting a flat. An we're gonna buy a house and Joan I maybe one day. But no, it'll be no day. I think this is one of the great shoes of look across the world the leadership geminis collapsed. France is in trouble in terms of leadership. Italy, this is Europe and the rest of okay, but America into I mean, I want to be kinda Mr. Trump thought nobody could say it's exactly quite what the founding fathers had in mind where are the leaders of the post? What is your favorite story that you've ever covered the one that I learned most about and enjoy doing in learning was covering the Iranian revolution. In nineteen Seventy-nine. I found myself in a country of amazing people highly educated badly lead a country rich in resources. And six and a half thousand years of civilization Molin evident, and I've been that practically every year of since a lot of those things it's still true. But of course, because of the terrible breakdown in national relations with around some of which there in fold the country is in terrible crisis. And maybe I'll fat west was as time goes on. What is it like to be the other John snow now that game of thrones has become such a thing? I know nothing. Boston thought. Actually, I I'm delighted after they spell his name the same way as me as w I interviewed him about the program at at the end of it. I said Jones snow yuno nothing and he replied Boston. NPR and is bust, but there we'll find out. What about the ties years doing in front of me, you're wearing an incredible green tie? You've got socks to match. Poon? Green socks. I remember when I used to watch that every night, you'd have a different usually stripy, right colors, different colors. Where did that come from? Well. You can see on Stu there. And it's full of poeple's blacks lights. It's very bright and funny. Good. Good student really good student, and I was the dumbest thing in it. Because you have to suit there's no other way around. Right. I mean, I thought I could play with the suits have a red suit green suit a yellow suit. But I thought that might take away from this area to what we were talking about. But then I thought the one thing you could do better ties, and there are not people making cross ties of you find them. And I'd also thought as we don't have a desk that this was a good idea to and frankly, it's never let me down. You know, I have various time. I Cus who come in and show me what they're doing to pay. But I do you have now probably I mean, Trump is when I really bold with them. They go to charity, and that raises a lot of money, but I suppose one hundred fifty wow, thank thanks to Texas. I bought a very good revolving tirerack in Texas. I bigger in Texas, Texas tyrant. Jon snow. It's been a pleasure. Talking to you. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been a delight. You can see a picture of the tie and socks. Jon snow was wearing when we met him at here now dot org. This message comes from NPR's sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed posted job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in unqualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Today. A judge was expected to rule on C N N's lawsuit against the Trump administration. But he delayed it and they ruled tomorrow. So will he rule that White House staffers were within the right to revoke the press pass of CNN reporter Jim Acosta because they thought his behavior was unprofessional. Or will he rule that barring one reporter bridges the first amendment rights of all as CNN claims? Let's take a quick look with NPR media correspondent David Folkenflik. And David we know the judge in this case is a Trump appointee. But he didn't tip his hand during the hearing. So how did he question the party's? Well, he seemed to go a little tougher on CNN's attorneys than on those from the Justice department representing the White House on this. And yet, you know, it's not clear where he's going to land among the questions he had for CNN was whether this really they could really draw direct line between a upset with a Costa's. You know, persistent perhaps route questioning and tossing him out with. Drawing that passe he pointed out that Trump had blasted a lot of people including CNN fake news for quite some time and hadn't revoked pass and of the Justice department. You know, he questioned whether the White House felt that it had the right to to revoke the credentials of pretty much any reporter for pretty much any reason and the White House just said, basically, yes, originally said they'd Bana cost because he laid hands on an interim the woman trying to take the mic a day then released Dr tape from consider conspiracy theorist, but they're not using that in their defense that a problem for them. I think it is. I mean, certainly CNN's lawyers are trying to take advantage of that saying that you know, they've shifting rationales for the revocation. And that undermines the credibility of the just departments case for the White House, the White House, you know, acknowledged that it was not relying on that. In fact, lawyers conceded that point under questioning from the judge that has been withdrawn as you know, evidence of the improper behave. That it still is attaching to cost, but it's now attaching on the basis of persistence and unwillingness really to yield the microphone surprised that Fox News joined other media organizations, inciting with CNN, let's say that from a journalistic standpoint, you could argue that the right thing to do is also very canny thing for for Fox News to do that is a number of news organizations have joined in filing briefs supporting CNN, both as a sign of journalistic solidarity and an acknowledgement that maybe in another administration and other president could well pull there reporters press cards. Let's think of you know, if you magic a very liberal president Elizabeth Warren on the democratic side, really dislike FOX coverage or FOX opinionated about her. She could pull it in. And if they said if the court said, that's totally fine to do than FOX could be in that position. It's also way of FOX reminding people of its journalistic element at a time. When a lot of it's opinion hosts, which really drive the bus over at FOX are under a significant critique for for the kinds of. Spiracy theories that they sometimes spreads enclosing kind of had a minute. Are you worried that in CNN literally going toe to toe with the administration, it might color their reportage and on the other hand, even if the president loses he's cast CNN as the adversary. And they they were. Well, this is terrain that Trump in some ways is happy to fight on that is making a head to head battle with between him and the press, and he uses often to encapsulate that at the same time legal scholars I've talked to some media executives say sometimes you can't shy away from bite, even if it's one that's desired. I think this is one case where the real question is what if CNN loses and then suddenly they don't have that right to the press passively that they thought they'd. Media. Correspondent David Folkenflik. We'll hear from the judge hopefully tomorrow in his David. Thank you. I'm in London today where Prime Minister Theresa may is standing firm behind her Brexit deal, despite what has been happening around her today senior ministers resigned, including May's Brexit secretary and a member of her own conservative party is calling for new leadership prime minister Meg knowledge that during a news conference at Downing Street tonight. They must do they believe to be right. Just as I do. I'm sorry that they've chosen to leave the government. And I thank them for this is, but I believe with every fiber of my being that the Kusei have set out is the right one fraud country and all people BBC political correspondent, rob Watson joins us now with the latest, rob. There has been so much activity over the last few days. Where are we right now? I'm tempted to offset I may have you done. So. Everything's going to pieces since you arrived. Ted. You know, I was reading a book the other day about the the the French revolution. Although there are no guillotine being erected hair outside parliament, definitely sort of whiff of revolution. And chaos. I I guess the silicon steel question is that we are in a moment of profound political crisis in the UK ova, Walt Britain's future relationship with the European Union should be an and more immediately how it should leave. And what was saying the moments as the prime minister, not just fighting for the deal that she thought that she had wanted to achieve that separation beginning you relationship, but fighting have very political survival in these these are truly almost revolutionary times. We can hear the protesters behind it under their at Westminster right now that we're hearing about a possible no-confidence vote against to resume wh what are the scenarios involving her future? Well. There's no doubt that a very significant minority of the conservative emp, a conservative party have I pro- Brexit thinks that she's messed up the whole Brexit process that Britain's departure from the European Union, but not as abrupt or hard as they would like it not enough of a clean break. They would sit and the so angry. The question is will have enough of them to mounts leadership challenge. I mean, his thing. People don't wanna get too mixed up in the weeds, British politics. It seems to me that the crisis says whether whether they get rid of Theresa May or not whether it's her or anybody else leading the conservative posse that party the governing pots is deeply divided. And it's very difficult to see not just that potsy, but the opposition Leiva pods is divided. How enough any to get through parliament? You see what I mean? It's difficult to see what kind of arrangement would win a majority in parliament's. Is there a possibility of a second referendum? This is something that's been talked about a lot of the last few days that they could put the question of Brexit again to the people for another. Vote. Do you know, I think it's just growing all the time for the simple reason that what what would spark a second votes? Second referendum. It would be the sort of sense that the politicians completely gridlock hair at lesson. And again, I keep going back to say why this is a profound political crisis. It's profound because one this is a very important issue. Britain's place in the world, it's relationship with your opinion, and too because the leaders of the two main parties the leading figures in the main political parties, particularly in the governing party, they are not they are not agreed on what Britain's future relationship should been given given that deadlock given that it's hard to see a deal getting through parliament. Maybe that will be maybe that'll be the only alternative grizzly though. It might be them any. And I was just going to say that that you know, almost everybody would admit that no deal would be the worst possible outcome. But in fact, that's not the case. There are some members of parliament, Brexit tears who would like to see no deal at all. And just have Britain crash out of the that is true. But I'm noticed that some of them have got a little bit more a little bit more wary about that over the last couple of days because all the scenarios looked up by businesses. Most economists most neutral observers as that it would be absolutely catastrophic for Britain's leave without to deal and in a way that remains Theresa May's best cod. I think the getting her version through parliament that idea that leaving the European Union deal. It's whole having a second referendum or general election, a domestic political crisis just about anything PETA than any of those just a few seconds here, rob. But I I have been watching you on TV here in the UK on BBC one on BBC World been listening to you on the radio here. What is this been like for you? Goodness. I never thought about it that way. I suppose that set of sense of watching history thinking that these are just not normal times. I mean Britain was up until very recently, I suppose somebody that send us a stable prosperous democracy. What on earth has happened for its for its politics and its people to become so poisonous divided BBC political correspondent, rob Watson. Thank you. Thank you. We've been out talking to people here in the UK about Brexit here in London we met Pat Metcalf from Liverpool. Did you vote in the referendum? Oh, definitely. And you voted to stay you voted to stay definitely why? Well, because we we just didn't want to we'll watch. How the hell we what? Or nobody knew what was going to happen. We still don't know. What's going to happen? Do we we will? We didn't approve toll on we. We thought that this should have been the diff a big percentage of the people who voted because we thought the vote was too close. We thought it was really quite. What do you think gonna happen now? Well, we just terrified ready because we know I everybody's telling lies as far as we can see just we don't just think about it because we will hope into go abroad later in the year for fifty isn't. She on them we done book because we don't know whether we will we need visas. Course it worry. I think we're all very worried about it here now. Peter O'Dowd talked with Paul Benham in Derry Northern Ireland Briggs wool, not help. At all. We're we're we're so used to feel in part the north and the south feeling almost as the one thing that the border doesn't exist at the bring a border here. Again, was always the problem. The first place aboard it was always the problem. You know, and that's what people are worried about that somehow or other going to split the country buckle. Did you vote to remain or to stay? Oh, I would always remain staunchly. European the we feel feel more feel more more European what even feel Arish and a I'm happy and front some Hoppy and Germany how badly. I went up to Coventry in England and met Glen Davis. Did you vote in the Brexit referendum views weird? And so you've got it to leave. Yeah. Said do you think that's going to happen? I'm not sure now if you if you doesn't cushion two years ago out say we'll be within the week. Tune obviously. What do you think happened? I don't think the expected people to vote. So that didn't often the would have fiddled the referendum votes. The gnome. Would we're going to be out. What about you? Did you think that that people would vote to leave also know would vote to stay in our surprised when we when we voted I do you think there will be a second referendum? A thing. Three Somme would love that via second referendum bits. Fifty fifty. I think the Wilby would you feel betrayed if there were a second referendum. Yes. I wouldn't vote of already voted once. I mean when I voted off time it didn't say, this is the best three it said. Do you wish to leave the U of a? A new one about the this is the Vesta three nor I wouldn't vote again. Finally, Jackie clues in Coventry. Did you vote in the referendum date? And how did you vote? But to leave do you feel good about that vote today? No, particularly don't think we have enough information fooled vote. What information have you gotten since that, you wish you had before we've had the negative side could possibly be don't think Lewis enough. Oh Cus on not before the vote. Not. I think the way the country's gome. I think we won't to be independent and south sufficient, I think most people tired of being dictated to by your. Are you? In some things. Yes. I think we to make some decisions. Do you think they'll be a second referendum? Don't. Would you feel like it was good or bad? If that happened. I think the people voted nothing should stunned by that vote. I'm not saying I would vote the same way. If there was some of the vote some voices around the UK about Brexit. You can find all of our coverage at here now. We've talked about influences ordinary people who share opinions about products on social media and often are paid by the companies who make those products because they know it's much cheaper than traditional advertising will now there are patient influences. People who share the thoughts about medications sometimes paid by the drug makers and represented by companies that broker their services. Kate Sheridan is with our partners at stat. And Kate you wrote about one such company Wego health, how does this work? So if works in several ways, one of the focuses of my piece was at this is now happening in an organized way through what I referred to as almost like a talent agency for patient influencers. This particular company will talk to pharmaceutical companies to drug developers and ask them what they'd like help with. And then they will go through their database of influencers. They've collected over the years. They've been in business and see who would like to work with this company, you profile a patient and Marie Ciccarelli. Not Dr not a research. Cher- someone getting paid by drug companies to promote a product what are the kinds of things that they say what Enron case what she does is actually to. I think different things she has written about procedures that she's had done that have been free of cost to her. But she's also been paid for her time and her expertise as a patient directly from pharmaceutical companies. So she's spoken on panels about what she's learned as a patient as a caregiver. She spoken about what could be done differently in some in some cases. Well, so she may be can be critical of the drug industry, but doesn't this raise the same questions that it does when we learn the doctors, for instance, are being paid by the drug company or being given things like trips to promote certain medications that you can't trust. I mean, how can we trust that? They're not just doing this for the money that Emory and other patients might be paid to talk about a product. I think it does raise a lot of the same questions. But at the same time the answer to that question is grounded in the same. Principal right trust. We have to have some trust in our physician that they're doing what's best for us. And if we don't have that trust then. Yes, of course, we should be questioning what they're advising the same really holds true for these influencers. They have very dedicated followings based on the idea that they are reliable source of information. For instance, if they are let's say a cancer survivor and they're still having treatments, and they are not giving the correct information out to other cancer survivors. I imagine they would quickly not an influence or that would be a huge problem. Yes. Not only for the trust that they've built with their with their following. But also with the FDA, of course, a lot of these patient influencers that this talent agency will work with they very specifically want to provide correct information to patients not just to anybody. Well, there is some light regulation of this. Correct. I mean, you can you can't just willy nilly post things if the company is is putting out incorrect information, that's really when the FDA will step in and say, hey, you guys needs. Take this down. And correct it in general the influencers are kind of responsible for keeping themselves in their own lanes. Of course, when you when you get compensated by a company for that as we saw the Kim Kardashian case, you do kind of reflect back on that company. Remind people would happen with Kim Kardashian west in two thousand fifteen so can credential in west posted something on her Instagram promoting pilfer morning sickness. She said that she had been using it during her pregnancies in a made her feel better. Unfortunately, she forgot or neglected rather to disclose the potential risks. And also that it hadn't been studied in women with a particularly severe form of morning sickness. So the FDA sent a letter to the company warning them that it had to be provided next time, and that the post should be taken out a credit in some way. And you've said that these could be niche patients, they don't have to have hundreds of thousands of followers. It just matters that people wanna listen to them. But how many of these influencers do you think are out there? I mean, this particular agency says it has roster of over one hundred thousand I think, yeah. It's quite a lot. But at a certain point, those are just the influencers that have been identified, and you've talked to a company synovium how how did they characterize to you the benefit of these influences for them, not only did the company get more impressions, which is kind of a traditional marketing metric for products. But they also saw that more and more people were following through on certain actions that they have linked have studied with actually getting drug. So I'm looking at the numbers here, their impressions, the people just looking at this jumped from less than one hundred thousand to more than thirteen million after they use the Wego kind of patient hub service talent agency, if you will thirteen million also they saw that about fourteen thousand filled out of discussion guide which to them. That's one step closer to buying the drug precisely. Yeah. As somebody who uses these influencers, how do you approach this? I mean, how much you say it's a matter of trust. Is there way to vet them? How do you trust it? I think at a certain point. It's it's important that anybody who sees something on social media or online talks about it with their healthcare provider. A lot of people do that. And some people don't feel comfortable there. Things are gonna feel judge. Do they think that their providers going to dismiss them? But it's really the only way short of going through papers and trying to decipher the researcher self to get a real sense of whether or not you should take action on your thing that you're that you're seeing online that's K Charrette in from our partners at step will link you to her writing about medical social media influencers at here now dot org. K thank you. Thank you. And a quick note last night, the twenty eight team national book awards were given out. Congratulations secret, Nunez, who won the fiction prize for the exquisite, the friend will post our talk it here now dot org, maybe can influence you. Here knows the production of NPR WBRC association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. I'm Jeremy Hobson at the BBC in London. It's hearing.

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The Anti-anti-vax-vaccine

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The Anti-anti-vax-vaccine

"Think back to middle school. You're in biology class and the smell of formaldehyde wafts in the air. You just spent weeks learning about the vital organs from textbooks and lectures but now oh a little green frog displayed lifeless before you you're about to participate in that familiar rite of passage the dissection exercise. May feel kind of Archaic Archaic. But how do you really know something exists without seeing it for yourself truly understand something after all. Sometimes you just need to open it up. Analyze it down to its distinct parts parts tease apart the things that matter from the things that don't see with your own eyes just how interconnected everything is dissection is about learning now getting inside of something to understand it better and with all we hear about healthy days whether in the news or on social media or from Wellness Gurus on TV. It's easy easy to miss the parts that matter so it's time for some dissection. Let's start at the beginning It's London eighteen fifty three. The city's just been transformed by the industrial revolution is changing fast. It's summer in the city. City unusually hot crowded everything they can't escape their tiny tenements and there's something else death in the here. There's been an outbreak of cholera. Epidemic is spreading fast in the past week alone in one neighborhood eighty three the people were declared dead enter Jon Snow Yeah Not that Johnston. We're talking about the O. G. Dr John Snow in the North but he did take care of the Queen when she gave birth and nobody knows was it yet but he's about to become king of public health but back to this epidemic. The big question on everyone's mind is how it's spreading because then maybe someone could do something about it. There are two competing camps camp one team miasma basically supporters of this miasma theory that a low lying cloud cloud of foul gases emanating from the soil somehow killing people when they breathe it in May sound absurd but it's actually the going theory at the moment camp number number. Two Jon Snow's camp team contagion. They think there's some substance transmitting this disease bunch of tiny particles. Maybe probably in the water. Are People drinking so Jon snow. He focuses in on the water. He sees this moment. Remember those eighty three people who died in that one neighborhood he he starts talking to their next of kin maps where they lived and you find something big seventy three of those eighty-three just so happen to all live right next to the same shared public water pump the faded broad street pump which also happens to be downstream from where people have been dumping their suspects hats nasty and also a perfect recipe for public health disaster. John's knows evidence helped set the stage for one of history's most important discoveries the germ theory of disease that microscopic organisms tiny particles are germs cause diseases in humans but that's not why. I'm telling you this story know what John Snow does. Next is see. He doesn't just go publishes. Neat Little Math in a journal and call it a day. No Jon snow takes his evidence to the board of Guardians that seriously really what they call the town council back then in convinces them to take action remove the handle from the pump and they do no more handle no more water down goes colored simple but epic used science to move government to act to save people's lives and that is how public health was born soon after snow early health departments began popping popping up all over Europe and the US mandating sanitation and hygienic water treatment reducing overcrowding passing and enforcing food and worker safety laws and it works people people got way healthier pretty quickly and his science yielded new discoveries like vaccines or antibiotics government was right there to put them in action that dynamic mcadoo science and government working together trusting each other. It's brought us some of the greatest health achievements in human history at the turn of the twentieth century life expectancy in the US was forty seven by nineteen fifty it jumped more than twenty years science and government to things Americans love to hate and our trust in both its flagging welcome to America dissect a podcast about health and the critical relationship between science and government made it possible. My name is Abdul El-Sayed. I'm trained as as a doctor and an epidemiologist. Someone who studies patterns of disease. I've dedicated my life to help not of any one person but of all of our house this thing we call a public health as Detroit Health Commissioner. I was on the front lines of protecting our help and I had a front row seat as crucial partnership that Jon Snow helped us rib doc between science and government started to falter. I watched media spin. Get in the way of sound science. I wasn't prevalent like it is now something's happening happening. We can't really ignore that I choose to believe that I think in the vaccines and petty politics get in the way of sound government this morning obamacare back in the crosshairs. It's an unbelievably complex object. Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated and I watched as people suffered the consequences here on America the second I'm bringing you stories from those front lines together cut through the BS to get back to what matters in our health understanding how lucky we are to be alive today the threats we face and but we have to address them in this first episode we're cutting right into the belly of the. Beast Antioch sers missing her vaccination dates. We're not vaccinating think they don't work. I think some multinational pharmaceutical company wants me to think they they work by now you've heard about the rise in measles and whooping cough across this country diseases that had nearly been eradicated in the US these outbreaks they're popping up in unexpected places like Portland Los Angeles New York City and you've no doubt noticed the huge amounts of attention being paid to the small minority of people celebrity or otherwise wise spewing nonsense about vaccines and that's the issue that attention it's exacerbating the problem and they're not the ones who deserve our attention anyway the people who really deserve Lavar tension and all this. They have a very different story to tell. I'm twenty seven weeks today are you. Are you gonNA find out the sex or are you going to you know. I'm out of the game for that and we're having another girl. This is Dana Lawson. She lives outside of Boston where she works in fundraising for a big animal hospital one day she received received the ferry unexpected message. I got an email that Saturday of Memorial Day weekend along with a whole bunch of social media posts that there have have been a measles exposure the email was directly from the Ymca and also got emails from a couple other locations in my city that said if you're in any of these spots during these periods of times you may have been exposed to measles because there was a baby with measles in these areas what happened to Dana could have happened to anybody. She's pregnant in her. Four year. Old Daughter goes to a preschool at their local. Ymca in Massachusetts enduring pickup time apparent had brought a baby who had been carrying measles contamination was in a very specific area through the lobby at a certain door. Dana had been right there. Thankfully her four-year-old daughter had been vaccinated. Dana worried about her unborn child so she decided to take some extra precautions about a week later. I went into my doctor and had a blood draw. Ah for the measles antibodies and it came back that I had the antibodies for rubella but not for measles and even though I had received the vaccine when I was a kid kid it was the eighty s so I found out that I only got one shot instead of two and the second booster would probably put me over the edge and Mamie immune to measles but at that that plan is considered not immune to measles since one thousand nine hundred nine children get two shots from measles at least one month apart and that renders ninety seven percent of people immune but Dana shots earlier in the eighties during a time where that second shot wasn't recommended this one shot gave Dana a ninety three percent chance of immunity meaning that there was still a sizable well risk she could get sick and now because of her pregnancy she couldn't get a booster shot that extra dose. She never got when she was a kid because she was vaccinated before the change in vaccine recommendations nations actually my doctor right away said I think this is okay then she called me back about. I don't know ten minutes later and said I'm so sorry I spoke to the Department of Public Health and the State Tamie all just to report this and you're actually have to go on quarantine for twenty one days in your home twenty one days. That's a really long time to be cooped up in your house but here's why the thing about measles is that it starts to be contagious even before the symptoms start but it can take twenty one days for those symptoms to start that means that twenty one days is the longest possible period between one someone could be giving people the disease and when they would know they had that period is the most dangerous time for spreading the disease. He's in quarantine. Make sure that they're not spreading it. All that time I was coming actually as Ali from a funeral that I've just been at and the first thing I thought of was what's going on. Oh my God did I just give all these people at this the measles and never had a fever or asher anything but I've been in my office so I had to call my human resources department on a Friday afternoon and they had to call the city of Boston and they had to go through lots of hoops to make sure that the rest of our staff which is about five to six hundred people were okay. Did you fear that something might happen with the pregnancy. If you were to come down with the fever and the rash yeah absolutely you know. The pregnancy was number number one on my mind. It was actually me getting the measles was the least of my worries in the sense of if I knew that if I were to get sick I being a full panic. Abou- L. Measles in the womb or what's GonNa Happen. It was very scary because I lived in era of getting this fever and you know what you don't even. WanNa get like a sniffle when you're pregnant. Oh you don't want to get anything because you know. You're carrying another being inside your body. A pregnant woman forced to spend twenty one days under quarantine worried sick the whole time about what might might happen for unborn child were contract one of the most contagious diseases known to humankind and then there was the outright bazaar repercussions like when her daughter got strep in the middle of her quarantine. Dana wasn't allowed inside the doctor's office. They said we'll just park in the parking lot and we'll come down to you so in the parking lot my daughter and I g coloring. These two nurses come down and full has met suits with their structure may come in and they're like my daughter is terrified and and everyone. I don't know how this didn't end up on the Internet because everyone had their phones out there like taking pictures there also like what is this service carside service. You're getting but they did her. It's like what's going on and I was like Oh my causes so embarrassing you know and it's hard enough to just get a throat culture on a kid anyways yeah so what Dana Story reminds us is that while those nurses in Hazmat suits were trying to protect themselves in a house Matt Bubble. The point is none. None of us live in one what we do or don't do affects the people we share this place with sometimes with frightening consequences and this is why. Dana story is the story. We should be hearing. What did you do wrong nothing. She was the unlucky consequence of someone else's misinformed decisions. Danine or unborn child would've been protected if everyone else had to but you may be asking yourself how exactly and also seriously what is going on with this breakdown in people's trust a vaccinations. They're not we're going to get into it but first. Let's talk about the science behind vaccinations a lot of you might already know this but bear with me on the problematic policing metaphor our bodies have incredible immune system think about it like a distributed police force that exists all over the body specialized. Ashli cells doing specialized things all with one goal keeping you healthy. Let's call it the immune force I was taught in Med school that if you were to take the whole immune force dispersed all over the body and put it in one place. It'd be an organ the size of your brain immune cells. They're really good at attacking things that they've seen before once they recognize a bad guy they target and destroy quickly matter of hours targeting a repeat offender. Somebody's already in the system but they're not not as good at identifying a first time and so the whole process can take a week or more but a week is a long time. You can imagine that a really deadly disease can wreak havoc before the immune mm system even has a chance to get started and that's where vaccines come in. They introduce our body's immune system to a weekend or sometimes dead version of that offending agent. It's like a massive wanted poster or be on the lookout call over the wires so when our immune system cells do catch sight of the real thing if you're ever exposed they know just what to do. In the last century vaccines have been incredibly effective at reducing sometimes completely eradicated gaining disease notice how you don't hear about anyone getting smallpox anymore. Yeah vaccines in fact vaccines are right up there alongside the ranks of Jon Snow in our public. The health history book a tool in our kick ass arsenal ensuring we all live longer lives than our predecessors. What's crazy is that they haven't been around that long. Our modern sense of mass produce vaccinations that have the power to eradicate disease is barely two generations old. The vaccine for protest was created in nineteen fourteen. If therio nineteen one thousand twenty six and ten in nineteen thirty eight polio not until nineteen fifty two now I was born in Nineteen eighty-four the only vaccine preventable illness. I got was the chicken pox as because they didn't have a vaccine for it yet but with measles on the rise I was curious. What was it like to live in a time before vaccines when diseases they to prevent were just common so I called him folks who could fill me in grandma. I I distinctly remember going to the doctor to get vaccinated. Aw you use awful having guess it already. That's my grandma Judy Immigrant Jan.. They're exposing. All my secrets grandma's a nurse who worked in the health system for decades. She and my grandpa retired now. They're in their seventies which means they were born in the nineteen forties before the advent of the polio vaccine. I I remember we would go to somebody's house when they were having polio is like going to a house like a funeral. I mean it. It was I remember as a little child just being uncomfortable travel but I had all there were two little girls died and I can just physically remember four or five people that got polio Janet Delta the home they just lived close to us and Jeff Arnold it was from town. Everybody was afraid of I I lived in Ann Arbor and I didn't know any children that got but you heard about it all the time and everybody was really scared of it because US land up in ir longs and some of them died and some of them were in wheelchairs. The rest of their lives polio is scary scary paralyzing. Even killing people often kids but by nineteen fifty five the famous salk vaccine had been released to the public then the historic announcement the vaccine accion works it is safe effective and potent test proved it up to ninety percent effective in preventing paralytic polio following its release. There was amassing campaign to get everyone vaccinated and it worked. Polio is a thing of the past the US and it was the same story with so many other vaccines but now how much do you think vaccines have become a victim of their own success. Oh there's no question I mean you don't have the diseases. So why do you need the vaccine. I remember when they were gonNA. Stop giving the small pox vaccine. That was our first success. I think but I I don't even know how much smallpox arisen arisen world now. They've eradicated forty years ago. So really what we should be doing is trying to get the whole world vaccinated vaccinated for a while and then a radically eight the disease grandma's right the ideal would be to get everybody vaccinated and therefore eradicate indicate these diseases and the frustrating thing is we were so close with measles at least in this country of course the truth is not everyone can get vaccinated and there lies one of the most important functions of vaccines that don't just protect people who get them. They protect the very people who can't pregnant people like Dana. People whose immune systems are still developing like babies or folks in the mood disorders that protection happens because of a process called her immunity or collective immunity think of it this way. Oy If you're one of those people who can't get vaccinated your probability of getting one of those vaccine preventable infectious diseases depends on your probability of coming in contact with somebody somebody who has the disease and those with the disease could only have gotten it if they weren't vaccinated in the first place it follows then that if more people get vaccinated those who can't for some medical the reason are less likely to come into contact with somebody who could give them the disease in the first place and then there's just less disease but when fewer and fewer people choose to vaccinate the more people carry the disease and likelihood that people who can't get vaccinated come in contact with them and get the disease it goes up choosing not to vaccinate is more like drinking and driving than it is like choosing not to wear seatbelts. You don't wear a seatbelt. You're making an awful decision but you're only jeopardizing yourself but if you drink and drive your recklessness this can kill other people in short you vaccinate to protect yourself and to protect everyone around you as more and more people are choosing not to vaccinate our collective immunity munity breaking down. That's leading to these outbreaks. That's incredibly frustrating. When you have an incredibly safe affordable effective vaccine for a disease that we almost eradicated indicated in the early two thousands so with this rock-solid vaccine backed by rock-solid science? Why are people not vaccinating their kids for that stick around so our bodies have immune systems. They protect us from getting sick. When you know an intruder like virus or bacteria you get into our bodies or at least. Did you know that approximately two million burglaries reported a year in the US census crazy is that only one in five homes have home security. 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They're able to visually confirm that the break in is in fact happening allowing police to get to the scene three and a half times faster than other home security companies sickly save. Kinda like a vaccine for your home. Detect things happening. Make sure that you can solve them and for my listeners. Simplisafe has a huge deal going on right now. Go to simplisafe DOT COM SLASH DISSECT D D. I S S. E. C. T. and get free shipping and a money back guarantee that simplisafe dot com slash dissect today simplisafe dot com slash dissect this is America dissected and today we're talking about anti xers we have now an outbreak of the number of measles cases in the US is surging in what has become the worst outbreak in twenty five years measles cases in the US have surpassed the highest number number on record. The media's paid a ton of attention to this small group of people refused to vaccinate their children. There's even a new term that sprung up to describe. This phenomenon must vaccines hesitancy. Can we all agree to throw that into the growing column unhelpful euphemisms that convey legitimacy on things that don't need any more of it with the help hope of a hapless media and exploited of politicians these antivirus groups have had great success in growing the number of the so-called hesitant and as we talked about that's had some very real consequences sequences for public health. The first seven months of two thousand nineteen had more than three times as many measles cases as all twenty eighteen in many ways the success we had an almost eradicating measles through the vaccine is kinda backfired while there are mandatory vaccination laws on the books in all fifty states there are of course also loopholes and almost everyone in fact because of ceaseless misinformation campaigns. BS arguments about government overreach anti vaccine dogma is almost become mainstream and republican thinking king and starting to creep in on the left to those loopholes are called exemptions like for a war draft. An exemption is a waiver that allows you to do something. Different from the government is telling you to do so vaccine. Exemptions are waivers for parents that allow them to send their kids to school even though they haven't been vaccinated those waivers were originally created for kids who had medical medical reasons why they can't be vaccinated but because of the way misinformation is mixed with politics today fifteen states allow for philosophical exemption meaning you don't have to the justify or anti vaccine beliefs to anyone you just get to choose not to vaccinate your kids my home state. Michigan is one of those states. If you're a parent who wants an exemption listen all you have to do is go to a local health department and talk it over with one of the stuff then you're good to go. These waivers are leading to the breakdown in the collective immunity that we talked about earlier leading eating the outbreaks. You've been hearing so much about but honestly I think we're talking about the wrong. Outbreak not measles but rather the contagion of misinformation that is making the spread of measles even possible to learn more about the spreading mindset we turn to a young man who grew up in an environment teeming with growing up. It was very hostile silence firemen towards vaccines. That's Ethan Lindenberg. He grew up unvaccinated in the state of Ohio another state with a philosophical exemption on the books today. Ethan who's eighteen years old is a rising voice in the Anti Anti Vaccine Movement. My mom would talk openly about how vaccines were dangerous how they were unhealthy how they cause autism and brain gamage didn't help anybody's health and safety didn't contribute to the health and safety society by didn't really think about it too much. It wasn't as big deal that was important to I mean we were just the healthy kids who were vaccinated as a nine year old ten year old twelve year old kid. You don't know anything about health science and medicine like you ever speak to the doctor. When you go in for an appointment your your parents make decisions for you and so my perspective growing up was like I just was avoiding these needles that would probably hurt and that's kind of convenient for thirteen year old self going to public school. Ethan's mom didn't form her anti vaccine stance independently. I mean where did she get this research. It was partially a lack of education also a surplus of misinformation so she originally started from like you know. Misinformed books or articles are probably also friends and family members who would like give these secondhand accounts of people getting back saying and being the injured or some such story that wasn't accurate you know as that progression latched onto social media and so even if she wishes partially hesitant. I know for sure that one social media came to the picture that she was surrounded by all these other people that shared her these opinions and encourage them and so I think social is is where it turned into like this passion rather than a curiosity so she found like an online community that really justified invalidated her thoughts and then that sorta reinforced reinforced her position outside of the Internet yeah that social space online became a big focal point for her to share those opinions get get more information and feeling courage for this ignorance. That was kind of growing. Internet is unsurprisingly a cesspool of antibiotics propaganda where people turn learn all sorts of lies the idea that vaccines are dangerous for their kids the dangerous that they cause autism or that there's a conspiracy facilitated solicited by the CDC the WHO podcasts like me but it's also a two way street and as Ethan turned sixteen he started to see anti anti vaccine content through memes teams and on discussion boards. He realized that what he was hearing at. The dinner. Table Wasn't just wrong. It was dangerous. I'd see me about vaccines and I'd see an article shared about it. You there'd be something on facebook. I think that was the first time we're always like here's some other information and we compared notes and my mom was having this big conversation about vaccines saying that her friend and was pro vaccine how dumb that was and she's of course they cause autism inches even know and I just got on my phone got the CDC website up and I looked on the CDC website you know vaccines and autism and there's an article in the very large headline was vaccines do not cause autism and I showed it turns like well you know the CDC disagrees like is there any. Do you have any reason why they'd be wrong and she was just like well. That's what they want you to think. Ethan's research eventually led him to reject his mom's beliefs at first that was no big deal a disagreement between a parent and kid something as old as time but as colleges began to ask him for vaccination records. He was forced to ask himself if it was finally time that that he got vaccinated so when he turned eighteen ethan made his decision. What was her response when you said I'm going to get vaccinated absolute absolute absolute fear I mean she freaked out because he got to think like it makes sense. If you really do believe this stuff and if somehow you've fallen into this trap and your child sailed comes up to you and says I'm going to get my vaccine's well how do you how else would you respond other than losing your mind. You know if my if Mike Academy and so I'm going to take a bath in radioactive waste. I'd be like no absolutely not what was your response to her. Fear just understanding. I guess I understood going in that. This was going to be a situation where she would not respond. Well instead of just going getting my vaccines one day and then coming home with the band on my arm saying like too late. I made appointment the doctor and spoke to her so I made every decision I could to like lay out a foundation of respect and trust your response captures the level of empathy and respect even in the face of deeply irrational behavior right. You appreciated the space of mind that your mother occupies and you assented to it right. You said you know this is where she is emotionally and I'm going to have to calibrate my response in tow. What does that say about the way we should be approaching anti vaxxers generally you can't control other people's responses. You can't control the way people think so you have to best handle the way you think in the way you behave when it comes like individuals your family your friends people that have suffered and are victims of misinformation Asian. I think that approaching them with the same mindset of empathy kindness respect that's so important we're missing that because we're falsely identifying the problem with them rather than the people that are leading the that are spreading allies and the way you've laid it out is that our perpetrators are victims of this virus of misinformation and that we ought to be treated them differently right. People who are anti vaccine aren't bad people. They're not evil people. They're not dangerous interest. I think there are people that have seen bad information have enriched with poor information that is telling them that they are. They are a bad mom their Dad Dad. They're bad father. They're a horrible parent that is putting their kids endangered vaccinate which is exactly the opposite of what is true. Ethan's thens right you and I have good reason to fear factor's but at their core ANTIBAC- servers are scared to like even getting up in the context of the contagion of misinformation anti vaccines are just victims who've been infected and like any virus. We can't just treat the symptoms. We've got to go after the source the Anti Vaccine Doc Movement didn't sprout up on its own. It was manufactured. There are people that are actively taking roles as anti vaccine leaders who understand the gravity avenue of the situation that understand the real truth behind the situation and they're vocally taking stances are amassing them such large communities. Why do you think some of these these leaders of the Anti Vaccine Movement do it. What are they gain of. It only gained so much money. It's ridiculous. there's money there's fame. There's being part of a movement. There's so much you you gained so much by becoming a vocal leader in the anti vaccine community. I mean you're talking about how you can sell supplements. You can sell L. Alternative Medicine. You look on half the ANTIBAC- seen websites that are like the largest sources of misinformation there sloughed with ads. They're covered with advertising Tyson's and they're selling th they're also marketing their own information. How should we be dealing with these perpetrators right when when Justin Timberlake or Jessica Biel come out and say I'm worried about this and they now become pushers of this very dangerous mindset. How should we be dealing with them. It's such a hard problem to address because there's so many ways you approach it and there's so many consequences with the way you approach the situation. I think it's a level all of not reaching does people but reaching the people that are still recruited to reality right people that are still on the fence. I don't think my mom will ever change your opinion. I don't think there's anything you can do any information. You can present her. You could sit her down in front of someone dying from measles and show them show her the vaccine. Give it to a different kid. Move them in that room and that kids find and she was still say now so we've we've got to be thinking about making sure that the right information is given to folks who are susceptible and it's almost like we're vaccinating against anti EVAC snus. Young people are an fantastic demographic to reach a better information. Having schools have better education towards vaccines and vaccine in hesitancy. These are solutions that work that we need to focus on because you're reaching people that are more susceptible rather than have fallen to this like snakes. Is this pit of of lies that they'll never so we treat this antitax contagion two ways we fight the perpetrators at the source and we try to give people people the information they need before they ever hear the anti vaccine propaganda but when it comes to vaccines the people who most of us trust tell us what's good for us and our kids are doctors. They need to rethink how they do it. So doctors honestly should be training better storytellers. We didn't express the danger polio in medical terms it was why do people would sit around dinner tables and say well. Why do we vaccine against polio and you know the mom or dad in the house would say the reason we've accident is because little timmy down the street didn't and he's dead now right so that's like that's those. Are The stories that convince people toback sonate. What do you think we need to do with respect to public policy on this issue. Do you believe if that religious or philosophical exemptions are justified. You're talking to you about the government setting up public environment in school system where they're allowing people to be put at risk for diseases they can prevent and that doesn't make any sense it makes no sense that we have the ability to put kids at risk and the government facilitates. Senate firemen and yet that would mean that you and your siblings would have been barred from public school. Absolutely that's the point when you're talking about schools like states that take away these exemptions the inoculation rate up to almost ninety percent ninety five percent it works because for my mom she would not be able to fund and properly put the time and effort into into private school or homeschool. She left with one option which is to vaccinate her children and put them in public school. It shouldn't be permissible for the government to put people in risk full circumstances in dangerous circumstances senses. That's not permissible isn't the government's duty and so the government's almost making this this ignorance a encouraged you know and accepted idea. Well thank you for taking the time. I really appreciate it absolutely good luck yeah. I really appreciate that. Thanks Man Yeah so even given us a lot to think about first of all this. Why don't people vaccinate their kids approach. It's not working like Ethan said we have to differentiate between the perpetrators and the victims while the perpetrators may be driving this antitax ideology for personal regain. Their victims are usually just afraid one of the things I learned in Med school and then again as a politician because it yelling at people who are scared doesn't make them less scared especially especially. If you're speaking on behalf of one of those institutions they don't trust in the first place second. We haven't done a good job of communicating with language that people understand people don't just change change their minds but hearing statistics or the results of some empirical study now for most of human history the most effective means of communication has been telling stories and then we really need to rethink our policy like you said governments can't continue to put children at risk which is what happens when we allow collective immunity to break down and the good news is that many states dates are reconsidering unnecessary exemptions. There's a new push underway to toughen California's immunization law a state lawmakers as introduced a bill that would ban anti vaccines from doctor shopping for medical exemptions. There will be no more religious exemptions for vaccines in New York state but antibiotics perpetrators are digging in getting louder and more hostile. That's why if we want to win the battle against measles and the contagious mindset that spreading it. We've got to empower the voices and stories. We don't usually hear from courageous people like Dana in this episode. We talked about what happens. When people ignore clear scientific information in a matter of life or death next episode weeks for the Space Science really hasn't given US answers and the people who exploit it debuted a coffee enema. That's right. We're talking about green juices crystals and skin care the cult of wellness where scammers thrive and misinformation continues to spread next episode on America. America descended as an epidemiologist. I know thing or two about by rally so if you like our show make sure to share subscribe and rate that's what I tunes in Tweet or Instagram at Abdul El-Sayed and I'll throw reposted America. Dissected is a production of media. Our producers are often. 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Visions in the Flames 2021 Part 15: ASOIAF TMG Updated Nights Watch Tactics Cards and Core Units Revealed!

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Visions in the Flames 2021 Part 15: ASOIAF TMG Updated Nights Watch Tactics Cards and Core Units Revealed!

"Hey it's chased from on the table gaming and welcome back to the on the table getting podcast in this week. We'll be talking about article fourteen in the visions in the flame series looking at the upcoming two thousand twenty one updates to a song of ice and fire the game special thanks to over patriot supporter to make this podcast possible. Today we're joined by simone game designer. Michael chanel and leave game developer fabio curry as we talk about the watchers on the wall the guardians of the realms of men. The night's watch michael and fabio. Thank you so much for coming. Back on the board cast. Well watch has not ended. We never left. Chase was wondering what that noise in the background was but you know people have been hanging out waiting anxiously for these visions previewed and the watchers on the wall. Now have finally gone to see on the horizon there. Update coming in the form of the night's watch previews for the twenty twenty one updates so this is gonna be really exciting for before we jump into talk about this. Let's go a little bit south and talk about some of the lancaster. Submissions that we saw People's painted work on the facebook page. Was there any ones that caught your eye in particular. There were two specifically jumped out of me. The first ones here was by a christian feldman and his clique gain painted army. And that's mainly because yellow always is going to draw attention because it's such a pain in the ass to paint and that was one of the that's always cool to see a bunch of mountains. Men led by three forms of the mount. The other one was by david conflict and actually more mountains men but this was specifically due to its basing. I am had talked about before. I'm a big fan of doing scenic bases and the trays and these right here like they were actually going to go and say these probably green stuff stamped. I might be incorrect on that. But that's how i'm looking and seeing here but the other cobblestone look here was something that really drew my attention and the white in contrast with the rest of the armor as well. And how about you. I'm going to go with anthony again. I think that just the scenario background looks amazing. I think these columns might be lego. I'm not sure but it was really creative. And the timing editor. He did just looks amazing. I like the basing though. It doesn't really fit the whole kham position of everything of the theme here that he's indoors because he put the grass but in general the taiwan's really well painted and i love these like dioramas that people do listen. Twenty one updated taiwan. He can bring grass wherever he wants. And nobody's gonna tell him otherwise. He has his own gress carrier to follow him. Go and then. I'll even shut up to calvin lumley. He did a really cool lancaster attachment box in particular. The champion of the faith. Absolutely fantastic job on that cloak and on the shield imagery as well really cool job pulling out these rainbow colors and all of them look just fantastic and with that being said i think we can turn our gaze back to the wall to talk about the final final previews here for the nightwatch man. It's been a long time coming for the guys. They've been patiently waiting. And there's a lot of good stuff unpacked so for those that maybe are tuning in for the first time or really just tuning for their nightwatch peace. Let's just quickly touch on some of the wider changes that are happening in the update. And we kind of notice that with the changes to their tactics cards. That tax cars aren't heavily focused on one specific zone. In fact the tax cars don't reference zones at all we also noticed with the neutrals and the targe arians that their decks as opposed to the rest focused on one zone in particular taxes board. Can you speak to the larger idea behind the night's watch and maybe target and neutral. How they sort of changed their focus on the tax on taxes board and bears out with their tactics cards by design each faction As a rule of thumb has two zones that they focus on and this is based on the factions theme right under flavor in general in the case of the neutrals because of the way the commanders were and how it's kind of it has to be a toolkit deck focusing on one zone allows us to then have the commander focus on the other or none at all but at least we maintain the fun. This is funny but we maintain the vanilla flavor of it right. And that's really important in the neutrals. That's part of what makes them. Neutral is their commander and the unit types are what really changes flavor and something in the target the kind also happened with the nutrient commanders and their Swapping cards so they come with four cards each and they can each focus on their own tactic zone if any battery that fits their flavor as well so this gave us a lot of. Let's say Designed space on these two decks in the case of the night's watch read. That's a a deeper problem. Because in the beginning we thought well the watch should have something in related to each tactic zone by because they're not focused in one specific zone and that sort of creating a problem where they had to spread their nc used to thin and they weren't able to get the most out of the cards all the time we believe that by removing the tactics owns from the cars. This also shows there. I wouldn't say disregard but equal care to each his own so now zones actually are just useful as they are right and the nightwatch is not dependent on controlling the those essentially how you came up with the initial perception. I guess i'm gonna say this of the nightwatchman. We i made them. And everything they were spread across all zones and that was basically to represent their adaptability Of they're not tied to specific zone so they can gain bonuses just for taking any zone so they can play their own game. Not so much about what the opponent has the thing. Is that really kind of morphed into when it comes to both the play style and also play a perception. Was that instead of having freedom to like work around zones actually more so made them locked into needing specific zones at a specific time so they actually kind of in the long term had the opposite effect of what we wanted instead of giving them a fundamental freedom to kind of play as they wanted across the tactics including entirely it actually made them more zone dependent than most other factions because they needed to get specific zones to gain bonuses. Aren't that was like the actual design the way that turned out that was unintentional side effects. Can part of that is also perception where people are always into view something that these requirements as a negative without the other way round is like okay the the freedom to take and i understand that. That's that's just how you know things come up. That's why you know of anything hasn't negative associated with it. You always have to heavily look at that because the negative is always going to be viewed way heavier than any bonus. Like you've seen in previous ones like joffrey and everything. We're joffrey if you look at tournament reports and data things back when we had like in person vince. Joffrey was actually right. While the is last year commanders. But you had so many people that just refused to play him because he had any negative associated with them. That's kind of something here along. The nights watches. Well was used to the tactic zones. They have the taste of their tactics. Cards are gaining additional benefits in the fact that they can permanently equipped to units. That is a straight up. Just benefit converted love their tactics cards based on situational of controlling zone. Well because people are looking at that. It's like this is the integral part of nightwatch. They're not really doing that. So she's a bonus as it was a restriction and trading kind of a negative mental and play experts where people so. We decided to just go that direction. I just remove those requirements entirely. And now they're getting back to the original fundamental kind of direction. We wanted to go where they're not so much tied into his his own or the tactics or in general. They just do their own thing that they want to expect or utilize they can with a lot freedom because they can just do whatever they want their now and that makes sense. Is there any particular nights wash taxes car that you feel is really kind of an iconic car that stands out to you as being like kind of really at the core of the flavor of this faction probably have you. Have you had to pick one. It would probably take the black because that is the one that has the most unique game mechanics around the of them are just like kind of situation bonuses in some classes. I can't really say one jumps out of me as being better than the other. take the black icon. If know people will remember that card win it's used and used to good effect and what's cool about this now and the two thousand twenty one update is that we can see instead of having that old. Choose one effect where you could basically kind of do some healing or taken attachment now. It's got both and it restores for the top. Like a max for wounds even a role that's gonna be really useful card for a lot of the vows themselves. We haven't seen any kind of major overhauls or anything too dramatic and a lot of cases it is is kind of blending of the old effects some minor tweaks whereas you know maybe instead of just being an element gives you vulnerable like in sort of darkness. It now also includes a panic. Which of course helps up the up. The damage but nothing. That's kind of to earth shattering. So do you feel like the vows were kind of in a strong place even in the one point six version and that really just needed some mike minor refinements yet the vows. They kind of work the way we wanted them to. Except for the accession part right what we did. Here was mostly streamline wording and modulate things to the current power level. Let's say we wanted of tactics cards out of all the factions. Probably the night's watch is the one that had the fewest changes to its. That really argue that. Because i know the second. You said that stephen fabio there and also remember interets forever. That people are going to go. What the hell is he talking about. And i'm going to jump in the counterpoint. They're the actually from just looking at this from mechanic standpoint. The mets watch check probably received the biggest shift and it's one specific thing that causes that is initial nights wash taxes. Cars usually by design had a very kind of weak or middling starter effects and in the vowel effects. Was the more powerful effect that you want to click on later. So you'd have like a minor combat bonus and then you would equip card and then it would gain a major bonus if you control this is later and that stripped has actually been flipped now where you have a significant effect on the baseline tactics card just like all the other taxes urgency and then when it does it's all vowel quip. Which by the way. I want to sidetracking here real quick. We got the vowed he word because it really wasn't adding anything that can be explained by the standard rules of cards so the keyword effect was removed ended. It was just replaced by text which action shortening d'amato card rule space on their by a lot so that was one of the reasons that was done encasing when asked that but anyway the secondary effect when they're equipped that actually is much less significant than it was before now you're getting these little micro bonuses that are taking on but the biggest trade off there is that you can stack these things up which plays in parts of the whole elite nature of the nightwatch so as the game goes on and you fill these other triggers tactics and everything. You're one unit can just start really snowballing and become just a powerhouse yet just to be clear. Different cards stacked ride cards with the same name. Still don't stack that's again same. Same baseline rule book of the same name. Do not stack so light. The looked like the brings the dawn light. The on have the or you do not you. Just you save that one new player who started off like man. These guys are really good. I mean people are. That's going to be a common thing that comes up. i'm sure but the baseline will this so and you know so. Losing kind of vow. Specific terminology does that mean that there will not be keywords. Like uninitiated anymore where it was like this unit cannot attach vows. That doesn't remove that removes that specific. Wording conflict could still work. Gotcha yes that is. Good to know Interesting and we see that you know you can attach these two neutral units for example. So that kind of still fits about flavor. He's there. yeah. That's one other thing that i think that people have overlooked. Here's well i remember. This actually came up when we showcase the tax initially because that the wording really does matter and it says here like all these cards have to specifically targeted nights wash unit. Neutrals are not next plus units that wording there for a reason so that's something else i feel be. Let's but again. Just make sense and let's take a look at some of these basic units. I've got fond memories of it was at packs. Unplug when i first got to see the nights watt starter boxes and they had them doing demo games and we all kind of gathered around. You know when the there was actually a tournament. that's being run as well where you would have premade armies that you could jump in with so people got a chance to kind of play in another format a little more competitively but you know kinda testing your luck with the night's watch lists and things like that and sworn brothers were were so scary and all the stuff was all new and do not a fight against it so it's really cool to kind of see now how far things have changed or having changed and I think back to the brothers. Being versatile i unit and in the twenty. Twenty one update. Now we see they get they get some changes here. So now we're seeing. An order added on this martial training. Order when this unit is performing a melee attack before we're rolling attack dice. They may roll any attack dice and the defender becomes vulnerable and they still have their sundering but no no critical blo that being said rewrote and having vulnerable that is pretty potent. What was the thought behind adding this as an order onto the unit by limiting it to an order that means we can control. Obviously how many times this effect is used while giving them the rewrite rules as a order really helps them get into the nitty gritty of things. I think this compensates for the removal of critical blo. Actually i think it's even better but yeah a sworn brother brothers. Now the are. I wouldn't say refocused but just hammered in better into their role as in offensive but still rounder piece. Read these with a four plus. Five plus defense morale stats. They can still hold up pretty well but there. They are going to need that extra help right. If they're left by themselves they can get hurt and and they have a very strong offensive theme once again through the martial training and sundering thousands of the main principles here is when you look at the nice washington just like touched upon. The article was basically just focusing. Each of the night's watch unesco they had a specific role in the army. They are taking. This is what they are good asked the sworn brothers here. Your example of dealing damaging cutting through armor that is the role on the battlefield. And that is everything that they have on their effects. You know the three plus hit sundering. Marshall trading without vulnerable tact istat is their role. Is these your damage steelers. They don't have any defensive capabilities having morale tricks. They don't have mobility but they do damage and that's basically the theme of most units were looking at like they fit into a specific. This is what these guys role is in your and they also got to increase around. We see that across all the units that were previewed here is that five plus is kind of the the new normal you might say for these nights watch troops so it just seems like they've all been they've been out there on the wall and the morale is pretty high right now. They're feeling pretty good. Yeah what you've seen the things they've seen right you don't back down that easily exactly and speaking of people seeing things we got these rangers rangers are kind of a sub theme in the nightwatch watch faction and we've got the ranger trackers now. They're up to seven point so we sell them a little bit of a an increase in points here. They still have their own remark. Target the cavalry and they've got pathfinder which allows them to ignore the dangerous hindering and rough keywords increasing in points paying the price for their their mobility here and they've also got a pretty elite stats. Seven points here come not only because of cavalry force and once again the very very high offensive stats on the curve boat. While the short sword can still do something but the reeker was really what you're paying your points for and then mark target is just an amazing ability because it works on them right of course since you don't get the charge with the vulnerable really comes in handy. And pathfinder is also something that on cavalry is really nasty right because that means you can't use the terrain to hinder them to your advantage. And they are going to get where they want to go. Having this is a harassment piece here to support peace mark target was going to throw out vulnerable whenever you need it most our units again you've got some baseline synergies in their sworn brothers. Have either extra attacks for this is helping your other unions. Otherwise these guys just go in. They harass the enemy because they can just get around and do that a lot of ways. That role really hasn't changed that much filled their right. They already filled their role pretty well. This was once again. Just more of keeping in line with the changes of changes. I think the most interesting of all of these changes are the changes to the veterans of the watch. So we see them go from being eight points in one point six two now being seven points so the same point level as the sworn brothers. But we'll see them in a different role and so michael. You'd already spoken a little bit about that earlier. About how you envision. The night's watch having these pieces that in a role when you were talking about sworn brothers. How do we see the veterans of the watch filling their role and maybe talk about the decision to make them be on par with the other the other units that we see this is going to get slightly spoiler airy needs so the previous roles. The veterans your defensive and kind of tank units. They were your to boulders and they can still do that really well but they are not the defensive unit of the night's watch which will actually be coming out and later but their role was shifted to more so as one of going in tying up threats so these guys are kind of your counter to the other big scare units that your opponent might be feeling so. Let's say you're up against something like stag nights or you know some warrior sons or some other dislike. They'd like oh crap. This is a big expensive hyper unit. Here what am i gonna do about it. That's where you're going to send in your veterans to watch because they have a decent defensive profile with four plus five plus. They got the agile which has minds one to hit which is really Counterstrike to some passive damage which has helped him bypass a lot of effects that some of these us might have as far as blocking damage does like. Just talk about champions stagnates. Since i brought those up counterstrike here which is going to be causing hits reach the mrs s generated. That's what helps you like. For example there bypass their resilience. And then these guys here have good stats on their dual weapons. That's seven six five profile. That's the three plus doesn't have anything flashy about it but that exists and also when you get to talking about the attachments that you can take. This is a very versatile unit but essentially the role of the veterans. Here is your your antsy units. These guys are the ones that you see a big threat across the battlefield to that. You're like okay. That's gonna be a problem for me and probably the biggest problem that experience. This game missing the veterans efforts. That's their new role so you know. Previously they did have that dynamic shift where they were defensive units and they were the ones you want to impart on objectives. They can still do that. But not really better than some of the other units and again. They're not the defensive focus unit up the wash which you know. We can talk about full sometime in the future. But that's their new role. That's really interesting. I think it definitely fits into that theme the right of these. The historical listeners out there like the roman tree. Rei like these are the elite people that know what they're doing you you throw them in there when you really need that line to hold and Blocking those hits so their agility that that seems really cool. I know it's always challenging. When there's several units at the same point level because then you're gonna have personal preferences and there's always concern like does one rise above the others but in here i think the three we see sworn brothers. Ranger trackers veterans of the watch. And we'll talk about the builder across woman in second like each of them performed two different role in your army composition. It really shakes up list building. I think that's gonna be. Maybe the most exciting thing is like trying to figure out how all these pieces now fit in. And then you know thinking of a different role. We can switch over to the builder across woman we have them and the rain hunters both previewed at seven points five zero. Could you speak to the builder cross woman. And then maybe michael you can speak to the ranger hunters like. How do these these to unicef. Ill different roles. Okay so i think that's a valid question chase and i think there so distinct amongst each other that they shouldn't really be compared one versus the other and we'll see why right so The cross woman they they can actually pierce through armor so the sundering and the reruns on short range all of these are great ways to get through armor right and with the ready. Aim release They have it's really scary to charge them. Say that so they're really going to grind your opponent down until your opponent reaches them. You can actually form. I know this isn't the correct word like you can form of done line out of crossbow men and it might really work together with some other building units. Let's say maybe in the future After we show everything so. They're not a very versatile unit. They're good at what they do right there. A very specific tool so they punched through armor. And they harass advancing units. You tease fabio. Ut's a we. We already know the builder. Units right having their new versions. So you're saying they may change. They may not change I'll say they went to see how much all right all right. And how do you see differently. Michael maybe than the ranger hunters will in the ranger hunters. These are your mobility is and. You're kind of adaptive ones whereas going back to the veterans those the ones that you would go and just plug into taking up big threats. The ranger hunters probably more than any other of the available options. Are your most versatile as you can see. They've got good range. Options got good. Melee options dave swift strikes. They can get in there. A hit something and retreat back. They got quickfire. These are the ones that are really good for taking down those elect chief yunus. They don't have any specific weapon. Keywords here they are really going to devastate anything on raw amount of damage that they can put out so like again comparing them to sworn brothers brothers are good for punching through armor. Could you three plus save or something like that. You need to get through the sworn brothers. Their great swords for taking them down facing threats that have like five plus or maybe not the best defensive capabilities out there your ranger hunters or what you're to have go into your rachel. Hunter is also like again the adaptability they have to deal with threats is really one of their values. So let's say there is a melee unit that you really don't want something to get tangled up with while the hunters can help you bypass that if you have a unit that's a range unit that's going to potentially props hundreds of the st up there and really getting there. I see the ranger hunters. If you don't want anything to have hyperfocused they're going to be one of the options. You wanna go to really liked him as a command bunker again. That depends on which you're taking but that's one of my favorite options to put in there. Because they can just get around the battlefield and do what they need to. And i feel that really clever play along the the vows that you're putting out there that the hunters can throughout the game. They can tend to be morphed into your problem solving units. Like if you need you know if you if you need something in your toolkit that you haven't built into your list via unit three hundred hundred kind of fill that gap as the game goes on anticipate seeing more like combined arm lists where we see a lot. More diversity of units in nightwatch factions poor. Do you think will you know this is all speculation. But i think you'll see more like themed like i'm gonna go more ranger units or stick with plenty of sworn swords sworn brothers. I think that entirely depends on the commander that you are choosing on how you're going to your list. That's a perfect way there. Let's talk about these nights. watch commanders. now we've four commanders through the show shown. Let's start off with maybe the most iconic maybe one of the most iconic characters in the game and the lower Jon snow the nine hundred. Ninety eight lord commander. He no longer has that order. Indomitable where when he passes the morale test he restores d three wounds. Now instead it's turned into rally cry not an order and it's based upon his damage output and on other friendly units so he's kind of helping his allies and we see how he has boldness encouraged where he gains additional attack dice and his unit is bolstered and has counts as having a greater rank. How do these changes may be capture. What you feel jon. Snow is about as a commander. Okay so jon snow. Let's say his rally cry. I think really fits in because he has the this charisma to him right so he he really was able to rally people. And to a certain extent unite. The night's watch the free folk which were sworn enemies for ages. So i i do believe that this is a fitting affect for him and it also fits the jon snow theme of healing of not dying. Let's say i'd also say that. Boldness and courage is a very strong ability that we sprinkled around like cautiously in attachments. So that really shows his military training his leadership skills and honestly giving plus one rank for attack dies in. Nightwatch is really really scary. It helps a lot because he keeps them working at the same rank as well. So jon snow. Is your support commander like a lot of his effects that you're going to see across. His cards are going to be about just rallying gaining additional benefits. For your guys for when they're down getting you keeping you in the fight. Winter guys circuiting down. And he's kind of your bolster commander. So that's why you you. He has encouraged to buffer zone. Don't rally cried. Above other units in his tactics are all kind based around that effect of giving you a bonuses when the chips are down and just giving you these little situational bonuses across your units win. You need them. So he's kind of like your your support commander if you really want to typecast someone until like that play style. Absolutely we've got a lot of. We had a lot of commanders cover. So let's also talk about allosaurus thorn here. How do we see alastair thorne kind of being. Reinvented twenty twenty one. Update here a certain affinity for allister's orne and the fact that even now as we were just talking about them i for some reason cannot ever stop saying alastair effect and i remember he created an issue for me when we did the initial watch because i type out every single one of his cards as alastair thorne still do. That's but actually as far as like the character goes. I mean it's fine. I he doesn't fit that old grizzled like that. Apparently i just really like playing like a donald noise. I think is ranked by three top favorite like nights characters. It would actually be donald just because of the cool stuff. He does in the books. Which i guess. I won't go into this folders. There but blacksmiths. Can you just like him better. Toll it which i think is almost. He's almost overdone with how much people like him. But i think he is. Probably the most like outside of john snow. Because you know you got your pretty boy armor that he might be the fan. Favorites night's watch character which he'll definitely showing up sometime in the future. You know dot saying windhill definitely showing up and then number one for me though is going to be more mont just because i mean come on. He's really cool. He's just like again fitting that stereotype of those type of guys. I like the old grizzlies. This is he's the old grizzled guy amongst the old grizzled guys that's true these guys like the next level the next year of that. Yeah he's he's your you know you're super say inform but talking about like alice. Earth warns play style. This is. he's one of the rare sources of panic ends like kinda morale of manipulation within the watch. And that's not something they specialize in. And so you're having to get that via his commander here and you're getting that the vicious via on fear and then his cards here which are more about de buffing the enemy and a causing the kind of panic morale damage so you have a price of failure which we've shown before you get to do audits the sake of hurting your own guys. Seeing their flaws and pathetic attempts are both based around punishing the enemy for base leading worse than you and this is the place he previously had against kind of refocusing here but very specifically his character version here and his attached version. He's one of the only sources of morale and panic damage that exist across the entirety of the wash. So that's type of thing that you wanna play. You're up against an army that specific week against that like say landers or free folk than this is one of the commanders that you might want to take four vast this five. Oh can you give us a hand with donald noy then defender of castle black. How does he kind of help. Continues idea of the defensive commander. And secondly when we see the tax zone element on the commanders. Are we going to see. The night's watch has their other vows aren't focused on taxes. Board is that all shifted to the commanders. As well then okay. So i'll start with the shifting to the commanders. I think that's more broad question and not all commanders are gonna have necessarily tactic zones that are really tied to them. It really depends in the case of improved armament this. This ability needs zone for you to control for it to be balanced and even flavor for. Let's say but mostly balanced so we. We believe that his full just defensive capability was a little much and stacking that with all the nightwatch defensive effects in general was a little overwhelming so with set for charge. This is a really strong defensive ability and we noticed that players also perceive this as a strong ability so we placing this here would make sense and at the same time the improve armaments. Show that he. He's the master blacksmith right. And he's bringing when his secret stash into the game read. That's kind of the idea. We want to pass their jazz. Five years master blaster controls barton sound so then all these bonuses and then finally got off. Oh yar wick. The first builder and he gives out an actual affiliation. This unit is a builder unit so additionally that he's also hardened so each time that enemy that enemy performs an attack on the unit they block additional hit increasing by the number of ranks at the unit has and he's also got spotter when attacking enemies and long range. This unit friendly war machines may re-rule any attack is. How does he really stand apart. Distinct from the other commanders. Here we see that he still has. His is a builder command. Cars that we don't know yet But you know how does he stand. Maybe apart from the other commanders. Here i think one of the biggest things that you overlooked is that he is a former nc. You commander that is now on the battlefield. Ready to rock as we spoke about before nc you. Commanders were removed in their versions switched being on field commanders which also here had a attachment version before the as and now his incident. Commander has just become a field commander with a additional focus on the builder traits and synergies with those units. So the war machine's builder. Crossville as you see can give affinity to you. Know a unit turn mental diligent as well but his whole thing is about offensive combat buffs than actually with a rapid construction there some terrain manipulation. Which you'll see you've seen as a theme there. As wealthy senior builder tashin from fashioned boss becomes a core part of the builder identity. Then which kind of makes sense to build a mini played the battlefield as shaping the battlefield to their raw will for just starting a bunch of hastily put together pile you scrap got around which of these characters are you most excited about to see people's reactions to i'd say also is the one that's going to raise the most speculation. Probably because his abilities are very unique in his cards. The card names. It's very hard for you to take away something from them right but i think a lot of people are going to comment on donald. Just because he's changed a lot from his other commander version and he was one of the one of everyone's favorites. I guess in in one point six. Yeah in fact if any of his cards continuing on here none. That's a really interesting too. Because the the night's watch gaining so much strength as the game goes on getting more and more vows. I can see the the stock and like a defensive commander being quite high well. Use the defender of castle black. He's the one that you're going to sit there and you're going to hold your ground every prevailing threats. I would actually say that while the commanders to me are very interesting. I think that the most type of talk is going to come from the non commander character. Attachments spoke about this very briefly in the article but nightwatch being the elite focus. They are they do have some cheap options in your army. There are trade-offs too taking them. I'm not so since they like randomly in the form of wounds and things. But that's that's the first one that came to my mind so you're going to be pushed into running this elite army here of course by design so a lot of your eunice average cost is gonna be sitting there around seven so you're attaching options are going to really come into play but with the characters of the night's watch and they're generic attachments general the few that they do have your getting some additional value for what you're getting even amongst other factions so like a one point attachment in the night's watch. We'll probably be sitting around like a one point five cost attachment like you see like another faction or something like nature of their to represent just the nature of the faction here and this is something that's important to go into play because i know there's a much of cross. Ceo comparisons between wrangler going go. This is a one point nights whilst attachment and this is a one point attached if another faction that has literally the same abilities but the night's watch one has one on top of that and that's a matter of balancing internally with actions that not everything is just weighed straight across like a one point attaching. Granting inability to a stark army is going to be way differently than that. Same one point. Attachments still Nights so you know. These are all factors to take into play. And i feel that. That's something that people are just by their nature going to do they're going to just in vacuums start comparing things across action here again. That's not something that we can really do. Is you have to factor in commanders at factor in texas cards availability. Other units sergi's tactic start specifically us. And you know with that being said know there's a lot to factor and there's a lot we still don't know right like the whole time we're going through this. I was thinking man. I wonder like what's the builder scorpion looking like like. Is it massively different or not you know. We got the siege weapons. There's so many other parts of the night's watch faction heck even the the watch marshall So you know. These are all previews and we've spent the last couple of months now talking about these upcoming changes and it's been really exciting to get to have these kind of casual conversations and pick your brain and just kind of hear about what's going on behind the scenes here as your as you're picking these and it's definitely helped made the time pass a lot more easier But now we're kind of getting towards the end here right and the the embers in the flames are starting to to to lower down. Are we now going to settle in for a little bit of a weight here until reinforcements arrives or might there be anything on the horizon. Chase visions never ends in the long knives not yet. Yeah we need at least one more so the people can show their amazing nights. Watch painted miniatures right. I'm hoping i'm eager to see that. Oh okay i'll take you up on that Makes drop those in the facebook page. The facebook page in the comments. For where this podcast is posted. And we'll see if we can get a good strong representation of the most patient faction the one that certainly with the longest and the guardians of the realms of men. The night's watch muscle. I also know as well when people ask like why is nice watched last and that really comes answer simple. I'm not going to say luck of the draw. But i mean if someone's first someone's gotta be last. We only have x. number of factions. So that's that came out. But let's do one more here for the for the listeners. Here chase so. Let's end the topic of continuing divisions and everything we do have some other topics. Talk back because we're not done yet but let's actually see if people had to choose one topic for a dedicated focus on one article and let's say even a podcast between us chase like something that will actually discuss. What topic would that be. I think that would be aside from flooding your comment section of of watch pictures. That's another thing that people can plug with the one kind of like holdover topic that they would like to see kind of discussed more in depth. If anything if i said johnson right now okay. We discussed like tokens giants. fake jeff. no but all right anyhow. I still hear that a bit. So let us know in the comments. Then something you'd like to see explored and you know we can also gather some questions then right so a lot of these times. We haven't been able to necessarily record a bit advanced. Not able to get necessarily any Community feedback in advance. But let us know some of the topics and questions. You might have and will gather them up for something to discuss and michael. Thank you so much for coming on here. I know it's been twenty. Twenty has been announced at twenty twenty. One has been a crazy year. And i know i can speak for the community when i say we really do appreciate all the hard work that you've been doing. You know games are a great distraction and talking about this stuff doesn't really really fun and you know these past months. It's been great that you've been reaching out and talking with the community and interacting with people to help kinda pass this time in. We're so excited you know we got. We got dreams of spring and You know the the the changes that are yet to come are really excited for so we really do appreciate you taking all this time. Thank you very much chased. It's been really interesting and the community has been very very positive. And that's amazing ride so it's it was great. It was a great year because of the it it made the year better in a way that we saw people like very eager for the visions in the flames and everyone discussing all the changes and that also gave us a drive to keep pushing forward right and think about the future and try to make a very good game. Paul keep up the hard work and we're really excited to get these things off your hands on the table not not

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #4: The Spoils of War

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Game of Thrones Re-Watch | Season 7, Ep #4: The Spoils of War

"Winter was here. And we're just getting started on a rewatch of game of thrones season seven episode number four the spoils of war. And now here the two guys who are ready to talk about a big cliffhanger in this week's game of thrones. I'm rob sister. Who was Josh Wigley? Josh our yo cliffhanger some issues with swimming. It's all happening again. Come on Jamie, come on seven gods. No Dornoch snakes to deal with here today. Spoils of war, perhaps the apex of game of thrones season seven probably the I would say the best episode of the season. I think that that tracks. There's there's exciting stuff still to come for. Sure. But I think as a as a single episode this has the most impressive sequence of season seven, and I think even a lot of the stuff that leads up to the loot train battle. I think is is high quality lots of fun character moments. That are going to be here along the way. So yeah, I'm a fan. I like this. This is great really fun to revisit the spoils of war that last you know, ten or twelve minutes of this episode. I feel like watching them back today. I enjoyed it. I think more so than any other battle that we've watched throughout. How can you are late? Why is it just like a sensing a gut thing? I just there's so many people involved there where you know, it takes so many different turns where sort of that we don't know that the death Raqi are coming in. They have we're seeing the death Raqi and west arose for the first time, then we're seeing the drag incoming, and there's this is really cool element of the fire everywhere. This fiery inferno that people are fighting through and you have Jamie and Braun on one side. And you're obviously worried about them. And then you have didn't there's flying on drogue on then teary, and is is in there. So there's like a lot of a motion stakes. It looks really cool to have the death Raqi fighting Lancaster's. There's the drag in the mix. So I think a ton there. Yeah. No co sign on of that. It's. It's amazing. It's it's really mesmerizing. And I think there's a lot of a lot to critique with what's coming later with beyond the wall, and sort of like, the the long raven ride and calculating all of that stuff that really gets in the way, there's really no such hangups with this episode. It's really kind of it feels like technically flawless even got a New York met in there. So I'm sure that makes you extra happy. I think he the characters probably deceased would be my bet. But yeah, I mean, I think that this is to my mind. This is one of the first if not the first moment where you have a huge battle happening and on both sides of the battlefield you have characters who are fighting each other. And you love those people, and you don't want any of them to get hurt. You see like Ron trying to shoot generis down from the sky with a crossbow, and you don't want that to happen. But you really like Braun and Jamie is going to be riding towards a dragon, and he's going to be trying to kill generis. You don't want him to succeed in killing. But you don't want him getting roasted alive by fire either. And the Tyrian piece of it all is spectacular. Because he's us in that moment where you see him throughout the battle just like watching it all unfold and being like, no, he's intro known Jamie's trouble. And that's how you feel about the whole thing. And there has. Isn't really been anything quite that visceral as as a tug of war for your heart in battle mode on game of thrones beyond this battle. It's really something to behold on the rewatch a great episode to talk about here today. Lots to talk about in the world of game of thrones here in the first week of March twenty nineteen Josh HBO dropped a mega trailer for the final season of game of thrones. I know that you already published a piece on the Hollywood reporter T H R dot com about your big takeaways from the game of thrones pharmacies and trailer. Yeah. I don't know part of the was was really surprised that this trailer even happened. I think that there was an argument to be made that HBO didn't have to do much people know that the game of thrones is about to end they are incentivized to tune in for those six episodes. They really. Need a trailer. They're going to watch the final season. Anyway, I think game of thrones really all that needed to happen was released some teasers that tell you the date and get some butts and seats, and that's going to be it. Instead HBO goes the traditional route and drops a huge enormous trailer. And it's some of it is just a lot of teasers. Just like light images that are meant to tantalize. There's there's some stuff in there that is fairly revealing. I thought so I was surprised by the extent of what they showed in trailer. If you haven't seen it yet. And like you really can't hold out go for it. Absolutely. But if you really trying to stay away completely pure before the final season, I do think that there's some stuff in there that you can really start putting some pieces to get you wanna read Joshua's takeaways head on over to HR dot com slash game of thrones for any one takeaway and particularly wanna highlight. I have a hot theory is a new one that I hadn't really thought about until there's you see some dragons flying. You see them like flying north the wall at one point in the trailer. Looks like that's probably where where they are. Unless like winter has really hit west roast, very very hard at that point. And either way like it got me thinking, what are the odds that we see like, Jon snow and deniro's fly the dragons north of the wall. And while the take advantage of the fact that they are at this disadvantage where the white walkers are in the seven realms right now take advantage of the fact that they've left the base unguarded. What if John snow into Nara star Garin infiltrate the white Walker base? So that's a new new thing that I'm putting on my bingo card if things that I think we'll see in the final season, we're gonna we're gonna go to the white Walker kingdom, and we're gonna we're going to raid the house we're going to we're going to eat. They're star where then if they the white Walker hide out, then they'll die. Yeah. If they like if they pull the cork out from the center of the kingdom than the whole thing collapses. That's a great. That would be. They can everybody. Okay. They are dead. The whole time. Let's talk about the spoils of war. And this episode really's book ends we opened up with Jamie and Bron we're going to close with the big battle, and they are bringing home all the loop the lute from high garden at the is on fire. Not quite yet. And Jamie is very sullen a very sullen. Jamie, Lancaster, who is in a bit of a mood and Ron with his first spoken words of season seven is like why are you so mad? Why are you? So mad g Lancaster. You just got the biggest prize in the world. And you look like you've got a little prick to the balls is what he says. And Jamie doesn't wanna talk about it. Yeah. And Braun that he's been paid out. He's got a couple of bags full of gold for now. And he's like, hey, you promised me a castle. What about that castle? How about high garden? Yeah. Give me. The confidence of Bron if the blackwater, you know, he's just he's so good at like job negotiations. He knows his worth he's not afraid to ask for the for literally a castle. This isn't a mate. Like, can you imagine just having that bravado league? We'd be unstoppable, if we could just take that same confidence channel and bring into the real world known could touch us man sort of Jamie, its upkeep Tabah castle yet. But I figure if you've got all the gold like you'll be able to hire like an amazing staff, and then you could fill a reality show, and you could even profit further you'd have off your best friends in the castle everyone's working for you. And all those people are really sweet and chill. Do a really good job. And like make them feel like family, the whole situation would just be delight. And so the string Bron along a little bit more where James says look once this whole thing is through castle you want and bronze. Oh, yeah. I'm sure it's going to be nice and peaceful under the reign of, sir. See land. Stare. I know even Braun isn't buying research, Jamie. You are literally the only person. Insurgency ruling is a good idea. Wake up. We see the tar lease Carly's have a lot to do here. In this episode Randall and dick gone Braun is going to get the scoff at dick name that is stone cold classic moment. When dick on reveals his name and Bron just you can't even emulate the laughter that he delivers there. But it is so funny. It's just it's a tremendous moment. Okay. So they're working on getting everybody back to king's landing. We'll come back and see everybody here later on this episode. Yeah. Okay. So they go to king's landing and important detail. Even though the Lancasters are going to get their butts kicked by the tar garrisons at the end of the episode. They have successfully ferried the money to king's landing at that point. So we're going to king's landing sees with Tyco, and they are they're thrilled that they've got off this money in place. Yeah. Iron Bank is like nobody's ever. Just paid us off in one lump sum before. This is not that fun. It's less entertaining than being able to just like, I don't know toying with your food. I guess yeah. We wanted to keep the interest payments going. We like that. The iron Bank. That's how we stay in business. Well, enjoy that moolah. You know? Yeah. Beggars can't be choosers Tyco. You should be lucky that you're here down Asli. Okay. And they're talking about. Well, maybe how do we stay in business? We want to be in the Lancaster business. I think that this is good. He says I think riffing on what we had said last week. He's like he probably already figures like two narrows is going to be scary if she wins, but on top of that services delivered. She said like stay here for two weeks, and you're going to get all your money back. And he's like, okay. That's seems unlikely and it it worked. He's got all his money back. So he wants more of that. Great. Well, sir, c has had her I on some things from the golden company catalog. Josh what does she want? What is she thinking about? Maybe another army of soldiers of people that are going to be mercenaries that could come fight for her move should a little more of an extension at line of credit. Maybe. Yeah. And if we're dipping into the season eight trailer that drop today, rob looks like her wishes going. Be granted. Okay. Get a little bit of a tease of the golden company in this trailer. All right. We get a lot of brand and the star kids in this episode little finger comes to bran and wants to give brand the dagger this dagger that's going to figure very prominently and everything going on here at the end of season seven and heels brand I want you to have this dagger brands like Whoo. I need this for. Yeah. The Gare stuff one of the people that tried to kill you that this dagger made you who you are today. Yeah. You should be excited about this. You put this on your mantle. What is little fingers and game here with brand? I think that little finger is trying to ingratiate himself within the stark family. His his long game plan is to be not just the ruler of the seven kingdoms and sit on the iron throne. He wants to sit on the iron throne with Santa at his side, which would make him essentially a stark. That's what he wants. He wants to take over how stark and reshape its future in his own. Sick whispered perverted way, that's like getting back at Ned stark in neds older brother all these people who wrong him when he was a kid. It's his way of giving Catlin tallies legacy something that he feels she deserves. So I think for for him to be here with brand like he's having an authentic moment. Like, he's lying and stuff. But I think that even even within that I think that little finger. Authentic in his desire to cultivate, relationship with brand in so far as it would ingratiate him further with Santa, and it would connect him deeper to house stark he wants to be in control of these people and little does he know that brand is a super powerful magic man now. And so this banking on that. Yeah. On the reconsideration of the little finger arc. I do think that there are some Justice to the idea that like you couldn't account for magic, buddy. That just wasn't something that you ever put in your calculation. So of course, Magic's going to be the alternate home wrecker for you. Right. I think that he's trying to say like, hey, I was friends with your parents. So, you know, in some way, you know, some small part of them is still a year round because they were my friends, and I told them about how this dagger that they tried to somebody tried these kill you. I two Lancasters on this. So. I've been a longtime ally of the Starks here if you remember all the way back to the first season. And so he's a trying I think to play that card. But then yeah, it all goes to Helena Handbasket once a brand reminds him that. Yes, chaos is a ladder after a little finger mentions. The word chaos about how you you. You had to go out and see such chaos in the world. What what that's my catchphrase cats. The I know everything. Okay. Alarming l'armee at that point. You know, what I think like little finger like kind of you know, he really loses the thread here from from here on out. Like, I think that what he's doing. So far seems to be tracking along with where he has been laying everything all of his plans if been leading to these moments he's getting closer and closer to his quest for the iron throne. He runs into like this thing that he couldn't account for this. This ability to see all to know everything. And I think that's what really starts to do him. In is he's probably very unsettled with this brand thing, and he's certainly going to see REO later in the episode. Oh, she's not to be underestimated. And so he's going to start to make these other moves because he's just completely off his game now branches. Like totally threw him off brand is on fire. He's got little fingers shook next up. Here comes mirror read. Yeah. Let's. Shoot her right out of sky while we're at it. Yeah. A mirror in close the door have a seat. Yeah. She's leaving. Oh, you're leaving. Well. Didn't want to. But I guess since you're okay, you're safe. You need me anymore. Brands like, yeah. I. What? Hold on. That's it. Yeah. My brother died to save you almost died or died. Yeah. Well, so what you know. You know, I was thinking of how I was going to be able to let you go without having to pay severance, but you just quit. So that solves the problem for me. Right. And so brand I'm not I'm not really him anymore. So I'm not brand. I remember what felt like the brand but not so much now. And so it's like, well, I guess he did die in that cave. Yeah. He really he's like RoboCop. Alex Murphy like getting like torn thebenz and coming back as this monster with only bits and pieces of his memory. And that's like brand like robo brand. Yeah. Is this see Mira so far? I mean, I don't know how much room there is in the final frailer. Right. She's not there that I saw I didn't see an unceremonious departure for four seasons of MIR read. You know, there's definitely there's some hope for her to return. I. Try and but a cushion underneath. Yeah. That's probably how you feel about it. And how many people probably feel about it? But you know, there's still some people who are holding out for Hal in read to be a more meaningful capacity on the show. But I think in the in the context of the book where he has not shown up, and he seems to be one of the people that would know that Jon snow is actually the son of Liana stark and not the son of Ned stark Howland would be one of the people who has that information. The show has answered that by having both brand and Sam being the carriers of that information. There's really no reason to bring Howland read into it and less it's like a bit of fancy service. So feel like I feel like how in read is going to go the way of Tom Bomba Dylan just never make it into the adaptation, and I expect that probably means we're never going to see Meera read again. Yeah. That's fine. Right. There's so many so many Lucent's Lucent's up the lack going on the show. You know, I'll be I'll be happy to see what George has in store for her and the rest of the reads in the book if we ever get there. But for the show, we gotta move on enough time on the show. We gotta move on. And what we have to move onto is aria is coming home to winter fell. Yes. And nice little full circle moment here to calling back to season one. When aria was chasing after the cat. And then she tried to get back into the tower of the hand and the guards like, yeah, you're not Ari historic. You dirty kid go back to like a Mario stark? And it's the same stuff that's happening here all over again. Yeah. So aria wants to come in. And the guys like, Nope. Sorry. You're not Arias stark get out of here. Get out of here already starts dead. Yeah. She's like speak again. Like again, it's. I'm here ending. Play Selva like, no maserpass. Oh here. I'm sorry. Your new phone who diss Lewin, and whatever. Phrasing. He's gone to. They're both. She knew are gone and only Maistre is Walkin if you if you know, John Royce, but he's here to. And if you don't know him, you're lucky. What a nag asked him about the leather breastplates, right? It's called were busy get out of here. And Arias like, look, maybe I'm not who I say am if I'm not or if I am I say, then my sister's gonna be really mad at you guys. And they're like never thought about it that way point. You sit right here. We'll be right back. And of course, she's gone. She's gone. Yeah. She doesn't she doesn't wait for anybody. So Santa's going to get the heads up that this is going on these two dummies filler in there. They're not fired. But it's not a great luck. They don't know where she went. But Santa Santa guesses correctly. She knows that that Arias going to go and pay her respects to to mom and dad in the crypt. She's headed into the crypts. And so we get a reunion down the basement with aria and Sansa little less huggy than the other stark reunions, thus far. Yes. Well, I think that this is probably because that we are going to at least like lean into the aria in Santa feud here for these next couple episodes, no frosty this reception interest coming it's cold in the crypts of winter fell Arias here. And there's a little bit of awkward banter here about the the lady stark of it all or you don't have to call your lady stark. It's like, Yup. Definitely do for your. Yeah. Absolutely. That's who I am now. And Santa's like when John sees you. He's going to be so happy. He's so happy when he saw me just gonna explode when he sees you because it is it's easy to forget that John aria were super tight. They were among the tightest of the stark siblings back in the day. They haven't seen each other since the second episode of the show they still haven't seen each other through through the end of this season. So that's gonna be her. Needle right moment. Yeah. It's gonna be fun. I can't wait for that. That's going to be an amazing reunion. Yeah. Although Santa says that when he sees his heart is going to stop, and that's ominous and we sent Mela Sandro away. So it's gonna be a problem. So when John shows up go to your room. Yeah. Because that's. Really figure speech, right? Stop. When you see that person is hard, actually stopped. Yeah. Yeah. On the nose. Okay. And they're looking at Ned started. Like, it doesn't look like him. No, not really apparently everybody who knew what Ned stark looked like they're all dead except for the start kid. Yeah. No. So we get into our list a little bit about, hey, did you kill Joffrey every beat me to it? I was gonna list. What does this list? You have a list of people you're gonna kill. Psycho. There's a lot going on, you know, been through a lot. So they talk about that too bad. You get here as long story since like. Yeah. Mine too. It was terrible Naria says. Yeah. Mine was also. But there's more to do. Kinda yada yada. My story is not so hot you there. So we'll talk about later. Yeah. They'll tear into it in greater detail a little while from now in another episode, but for now, they're happy to just kind of let lie, and this is not even the the final stark sibling reunion. Right. Santa's going to let are you know brands here. He's just he's been a he's been a real hoot since he's been he's just like, he's cutting people left and right. He's really remorseless these days. So we go see brand he's at the. We would tree right. We're Sansa left him. And he looks at is like what's up? Yeah. A minute. And so he's got some cryptic talk. He saw her at the crossroads. Bump muscle, you at the crossroads. And miss mound. Bench. Instantly a personal favorite joke on that? The Lord of bone thugs harmony. We still got it man still quick and reviving real hard. If that guy who is going to quit over the sex scene. Descriptions already left. He's really basic. I called him a trio. Anyway, we'll add up. All right. So there's about where brand saw Arias going to go to king's landing, sir. Sees on her list of names. But Arias as you know. Most of the people in her list or debt. So she's really got a, you know, it's it's like a treat to still have a name on the list. Yeah. Yeah. Not a lot of work with still she's very curious about the fact that apparently little fingers. Here's lou. He's kind of like he's sort of like on the right on the line. She did see him at hair and hall palling around with Thai win. So she's got to be suspicious at least, right? And the dagger talk. Brand says this is Dan under that little finger gave me. Yeah. Yeah. And we why did you give that to you? I don't want it. Here. You take it. Sorry takes the dragon glass deck or I guess, it's Valerian steel leering steel dagger. Yes. The cat's paw dagger. Yeah. Yeah. She's got to rename that. Yes. And well ours like sure you to want it. I mean, he gave it to you. It's yours feel weird taking your he's like, well, it's wasted on a cripple. Oh, don't be so self deprecating. And you've got a lot going on for you, buddy. But are gonna take this. And this is exciting. It's not only going to be the weapon that kills little finger. But you have to imagine that she's going to at least take down white Walker with that thing. I feel like you can't give you can't put that Naria Starks hand and not have her kill white Walker right in close combat. We'll see what comes up in season eight. All right. So. All stocks come back padraic and bring in our looking over and Padres like brand you did it all the star kids are back home winner. Phil you did it brands like I literally did nothing you're being too hard on yourself free. And you did something you were all those seasons out there looking for them more than she did in the books for sure. She did save Sanso. She found aria once. So that's all a lot better than she does feast for crows, I'll tell you that. Okay. So close she does go to ripper run for Sansa. Also runs an errand. I think she's being too hard on herself. I think that she's she's done. Well, does she a plus, no? It's it's certainly it's a pass rate. And I think it's a fairly high marks. And you know, she killed the hound. Basically almost not quite not quite not quite. Okay. All right. So let's go to dragon stone, Danny and misunder are going to you know. No word back about the unsullied. Yeah. They don't know. What's going on yet narrow little little nervous about that? But I think that they're not like super freaked out it seems. Yeah. And Danny says don't worry great where it's going to be fine. And they have a little bit of girl talk. Yeah. They talk like. Danny can tell Massana is like really into grey worm at this point. She wants to know what happened between Masan grey, worm and Masan day herself note yada, yada through it. She says many things, and that's it not want to kiss Intel Masan day. So let's just leave it there. She's ruining it for us. Crazy. Yeah. Okay. The Jon snow wants to have a word with with Danny about like show, you what we're doing in here. This can before we started this construction project walk through this. Yeah. As he's just like heavily chocked the cave himself. Is quickly drawn a whole comic strip and there. He's chalk on his pants, quiet. Trunk or your pets? Nothing. No reason. Right. Okay. So here's a cave dragon glass as you see over here. Come in through through this crevasse. We got some more stuff to show you in here. Yes. There's these 'lustration that show the first men in the children of the forest they were here together. They were teaming up together. They knew that they had to fight against the white walkers or they were all going to die. And that's what we gotta do. Danny. We got a team up the day is coming. The enemy is real. It's always been real. Safe to be in here. I don't wanna get like dragging glass long being in this mine. She's a tart Garin find so see final to five I had completely forgotten about the cave drawings. But that didn't do anything for me. What did you expect it to do? I just I don't really remember it, you know, that the first man and the children of the forest got together on dragon stone to the city and land to from my recollection didn't the children the forest create the white walkers to kill the first man did they screwed up. And they're like, oh, we screwed up. We went too far. We created these weapons that are out of our hands. Now, we're all in big trouble. And you know, mea culpa and we've got to figure this out. And let's go to dragon stone. Let's get the dragon glass will draw pictures about everything that's going on. And it was only designs and then like, very detailed pictures of the white walkers. Do you think that we will see in the game of thrones prequel if it moves forward beyond the pilot stage? Do you think that we will see eventually because we know it set thousands of years? Before all of this. It seems like it's going to be built around the first white Walker conflict. These think we see the actual cave drawing occur in the game of thrones prequel, oh, meeting hope not. Well, maybe they'll give him another chance. Maybe it'll be more compelling on the second pass, which was the greater reveal seeing all of the cave markings in the dragon stone cave or seeing the names written on the ceiling Jacob's cave. Listen, I really enjoyed the final season of lost on this most recent rewatch, so. Asked me six years ago, or whatever like I would have been very upset today. I'm very Zana bat. I feel I feel great about loss now. Okay. All right. Very right. So Danny's come out, and we're gonna get the update update on everything that happened. And so, well, we took Casserly rock. Great. Great. Great Danny's, so miss wide. I listen to you. Yeah. I mean, tearing strike to not good only too. Well in a row at least and and Dabo says like feeling the tensions so thick that you could cut it with a cat spot knife. And he's like, well, we ought to be going like stay got questions. I have no advisers. They're all dead. I need to talk to all of you. Now, you are you've been drafted into my into my inner circle, and she echoes what lady said to her enough what the clever plans, let me get on my dragons, and let me torch these mo- foes, so she wants to do. She just wants to she wants to get this thing lit. And of course, it's what she's going to do. She wants to hear what John snow has to say because everybody else is kind of opposed to this. She wants to John things because after just a little more than an episode. She really values what the. The king of the north has to say kind of yada yada pass this part. There's a lot of chemistry between John and deniro in that cave. Like, you know, she's like she's not seeing things Johnson. Does work in caves Jones, really where he thrives. And there's a little bit of that there. He's like guiding her through and she's like, oh my and he's like, oh, my myself and Sam somewheres saying, oh by hey, this great date location. Josh that it's. You know, you get a leader by the hand through there a little bit history danger. Location. Wow. That's a concern. Yeah. So date he's gonna talk to John alternate shades spot. She's into it. She's she likes John a lot. He kind of likes her. You could tell that. These guys are really starting to connect. And she wants to know what he has to say. And he says, listen, no one ever thought dragons would exist again. This is crazy that they do you've made the impossible happen. Make them believe that you can make other impossible things happen be different than what has come before. But if you just go over there and burn everybody. It's not different. It's just more of the same. So like, wow, I was really starting to like you very not into it anymore. And she's like I'm gonna get on my drag just burn a lot of stuff. That's really what I wanted to. How do we get from? Here's John snow's sounded lice to where we get to at the end of the episode where she is just torching. The Lancaster army. Yeah. I don't know. I think that she just kinda decides. Like, why am I listening to? The advice of somebody. I met the other week. I probably just go and burn all these people. Nothing. Jon snow. It's what the fans want. All right. So we are going to go back to outside of winter fell and get to see the great Bryanne versus aria matchup SWEB Rianne sparring with pod. But then REO wants a crack at Bryanne, very fun. Not. I don't know how much we need to talk about it. It's a fun scene. We get a little bit of like the water dancing Oreos back Nash as the dagger in the mix twos. That makes the combat kind of interesting. There's some funny banter between the two of them about how brands like little sort is like you don't want what you wanna use ours. Like, I'm not gonna hurt you with it brands like, oh, that's not what I meant. But okay. It's on. And it's a it's a fun little battle. It's a nicely choreographed little seen. Nice little moves Bouche before we get to the loot. Train battle later in the episode. I wish that they would Spar with the like sparring swords like they would do up at castle black that they're made me very nervous of one wrong move. And now Ari is dead that you know, the brands we'll see the protector of the star kids where aria is brand is like, you know, swing sort as hard as she can. Yeah. They have plot armor on. So it's gonna be safe. I guess so make sure like if you are sparring with anybody kids with real swords, make sure everybody's wearing their plot. Armor, give me a scene in the final season with Brienne in aria fighting side by side. I'll take that right now. I think that that's coming our way. Okay. All right. Cute ending who tell you how to do that. No one. No one. You're the you're the best you best. You are a real rascal aria great. It's a great. That's a great line. No one lung are. You're the best and little finger is like watching a distance, and he's like these stark concert pretty nuts. She has the dagger. Now. Something's kind of kind of slip at their fingers here. So in my bag. Getting hot Davos is talking with John guy talk now. Yeah, I mean talk. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit of like early stages of Greece with like sandy and Danny talking to their people and like recounting the summer the long summer the short desire will. Yes. And and they're talking about in John's like, it's nothing. It's nothing was like, yeah. I think it might be a little more than you're leading on John's. Like, there's no time for that. All the night king. I can't I only have eyes for the Nike. Yeah. Okay. So we're not talking about that. So John wants to know how many men do we have in the north to fight the night king? Yeah. Ten thousand less and Davos with the nice, call back to his boys. Stands says fewer. Status would be happy man is smiling down in loops left and right here in these these final episodes suck. Right. So they catch up with misunder. Yeah. Why why are you hold on? Why are you named Johnston? If your father was Ned stark. She doesn't understand. She doesn't know the custom which is prize to me considering knows like a thousand languages, you'd think maybe she would she would know about this. But I guess not she doesn't she doesn't know the naming functions for bastards in west Reuss. So she's a little surprised by that on north. Apparently, they don't have marriage. We're just like really free. Not on actually so. Dabo. That sounds liberating does jokey in season seven. Yeah. You know, what he loves Masan? He's the measles. Huge misunder fan. I don't think like in any kind of weird way. I get the sense that he just like he thinks she's wonderful. She's she's a riot. She's a stitch. He's just he's having a blast says speaking to Goodhart, Sears Basan Dame, a favorite person dragon stone, and she's talking up. Danny. Why why she serves Danny up a cost of Ed her parent were was the ruler. That's the Queen that she chose and she would let the Sunday leave. And would you forgive me? If I switched sides and messiahs like, I don't know. You're so weird. Leave me alone. I loved Avas. I'm sure it's fine. But besides probably why is he always here. Always here. All right. A ship is coming in the great joy ship in deed. And man. This is awkward, okay? Oh, look what the cat dragged in. It's gone. Another reunion less pleasant than some of the other reunions. We've seen recently it's beyond John together. Again, they were never like massively close. I don't think they both. It was more like rob was the cool one and they were both friends with rob. So they had to hang out with each other. You know, what it's like being rob? So there like there's a little bit of tension there just as the bedrock of their relationship. There's also the fact that fee on betrayed the Starks led to events where Robb stark was killed the public stories. He got Brandon Rick on killed so John's not a huge fan. Yeah. Maybe this being at another point where earlier in the show may be John would have been even more mad that he got a wreck on killed at least John knows that that wasn't the Unsal. Yeah. That was that. Was all Ramsey. A little bit of Rick on as well with an assist. John is like the very much. That's fine. He's going to smear him. Really does. You know, he's going to speak to give him a pass because of everything that had Sanson fair enough. That's good. Okay. All right. Let's get to our main event. And let's go back to the fields outside of king's landing where Jamie and Braun are trying to get everybody back into king's landing. Yeah. And actually, this is where bronze starts laughing at dick on Tara. We we we have it reversed a little bit. But always good to revisit that moment. Because it's so funny. I would just cracks in on face, dick. I'm Tara apparently having the last laugh, he's just crushing it on umbrella academy. Everybody seems to really enjoy. Yup. I heard it's very good. Josh Josh now, I'm here. He's very big on rela academy lake as part of the character. He plays a guy named Luther and losers is like a very big body and like like like an oddly big body and on game of thrones. I was these really alert, and as well, he's very built this guy. Yeah. And it has that Luther going on. Yeah. Okay. All right. We are seeing. Let's try to round up the stragglers there. Okay. The Tara a Randall tar Lee is going to be working on that. Okay. So we start hearing some noises shrieking rumbling. There's something happening Braun who is constantly cuting and has been nominal hearing. He hears something in the distance everybody shut up something's happening and from around the corner. The doth rocky arrive and harass his army. Is here. And this is this is a scary sight Bron wants Jamie to go back to king's landing. Immediately. Jaime refuses this is my army. I have to defend it. And bronze says your commander. You're you're not an infantryman you have to leave. But he doesn't wanna do it. And by the even if he did at this point to lake comes to narrow on dragon back. As she's a roast the field of fire question. How did he get to west rose? I don't know, man. Did. Is it just did? They did. I mean, I didn't denier his fully all get destroyed in the last episode. Yeah. Mostly. Yes. I mean, so what they do. I don't know. Did did the maybe there's some ship still at dragon stone that they a lot of people and horses they brought their horses. But why why do we care? I don't know that that's not interesting detail. No, it's listen. If that's the kind of thing that you wanna get hung up on the final. I didn't want to. Maybe there was maybe I missed something. No. I don't think you missed anything. I think it's just like the doth rocky or now in west rose, and you're kind just supposed to just buy into it and go with it in the spectacle is wonderful in the choreography and the scripting of the fight is wonderful. And it's a great cinematic moment, and it is the com- the combination of many seasons of wanting to see the doth rocky in west rose. And then like there's when you look it's just like when you look at the back of the train the loot train. You see there's a thread hanging out the back. And if you pull on that hard enough, you can rabble thing for your loved it. I said it was my favorite Fido. And I'm not I'm not talking to to you necessarily. But I think that this is a thing with when you when you win the Royal you look at the final seasons of game of thrones. If that's the kind of thing that that jams you up. I don't not understand it. It makes sense to me that that's something that's going to bother you. I myself have been bothered by. Some of the conveniences in the writing along the way, maybe less so on the rewatch than on the I watch really was very annoyed by the beyond the wall stuff. Yeah. There's a decent amount of that in. These episodes is one of those instances, the the great joys just came with a ship. The coulda used that. Yeah. They just buried to them all one by one. On a ship seem more like a rowboat. They that the unsullied could've dropped some off on their way to Casserly rock, maybe grey, worm came back, so all sorts of possibilities. Okay. Getting line everybody. Yeah. Gametime hold the line. So it's just it's it's it's fights o'clock. You know, it's all happening and drogue on is going to be here. And he's gonna set a bunch of people on fire. We're gonna see doth rocky warriors. And they've really there's they're fighting in such a way that the Lancaster men have just never seen this before. And they're just getting their butts kicked they're able to kill a few of these doth rocky. But by and large like, you're really seeing a lot of the doth rocky screamers just crush these people. They're just this is what they were born for they've been this is their destiny they've been waiting for this. We can't do it Justice. It's so great. When Danny is flying on Rogun behind the death Raqi riders as they're coming in there. Screaming rogue on bull lasting fire burning Lancaster's all over the place. Yeah. And Bron gets into a one on one fight with one of the with one of the rocky, and they always done great work with. With with Jerome Flynn in these actions scenes like from blackwater to now, he always gets to do some really amazing stuff, and he gets his own little story throughout this whole battle where he fights the guy he's in a VAT, very bad way. He's able to kill the doth rocky by using the gigantic dragon slaying crossbow, which now gives him a new toy to play with. And he's going to be the guy that's really gonna be coming after deniro's. Right. This was a concern that the dragons could've showed up at some point. It was enough of a concern that they brought burn scorpion out there with him. And so that that is a big part of this whole battle Jamie is going to get into some combat with a doth Raqi and then get saved by dick on Tarpley. Yes. So hats off to that guy. Yeah. A bronze gold is going to spill out. And he looks for zagging pick up all my gold, but he doesn't. Yeah. He's got other concerns. At the moment. Yeah. And we see teary and now that from the distance he's like a high atop mountain. Yeah. He's showing he's here. He's like, wait. We already discussed got skin in the game. His brothers on one side. His his Queen is on the other his best friend is out there to like, you know, he's just this horrible. There's no winning here every every outcome. Here is a is a potential disaster. And so we're going to see Braun he's going to try to aim the scorpion and take down drogue on. Yeah. He hits drove on in shoulder and drug on his is knocked out of the sky. It's very harrowing Tyrian is afraid as he's watching Danny ride to the ground. And it's obviously foreshadowing a much worse. Berge in of this. That's going to happen and just a couple of episodes when the night king specific out of the sky in very similar fashion. So on the rewatch something I think we can appreciate more about this moment and look drug on take that hit. We're going to see that established spears can hurt dragons. Yeah. Spears? Yep. Yeah. And drug is going to be able to shake it off. But he ends up compromised. Yeah. He's he's injured. It's it's, you know, at least a nuisance if not pretty painful deniro gonna try and yank thing out of him and Jamie is just kind of staring sort of in this like ekit like the sense of being like this out of body experience for him where he's on horseback. All his people like so many of them are set on fire. There's some some of the imagery of that. I had really not registered on first passes of this episode. Like, you see people like their faces melted off berry grizzly Jamie is kind of like serving all of the carnage of it. And he is seeing deniro's across the battlefield with dragon. And like he has like this come come to seven God's moment where he is going to grab and nearby javelin. And he is going to rush at the dragon Queen with the thought that if he kills her. Now, the war is. Over his own health damned and Tyrian from a distance is going to be like. You're so dumb. Jamie. Come on, man. The things us for love very in character for Jamie, Lancaster, another reason. Why this whole battle is so great because it is very true to character for everybody on board. It's one. Yeah. So he's gonna make his big push. And then drove on is going to stare him down. And then it's Braun with the dive save Knox. Jamie Lancaster off his horse and into the water. Yeah, cliffhanger. And I think that at the time I think people were pretty pissed off about this. And there was a lot of questions. Like is that it for Jamie Lancaster's, eat dead. It's like, of course, he's not dead pretty deep under the water. But he that's not how they're going to. If Jamie lane is gonna die in that moment. He was just gonna get roasted alive by dragon fire. You know, there's no reason to knock them into the water and half him died way. So I don't know. I think that it's an episode that plays better on rewatch because there's some value in like the way that setting up the death of Syrian a couple of episodes from now, I'm sure it's only gonna be strengthened in the future. Once we get more of a sense of the relationships that are gonna come out of the new alliance of the living like Jamie is fighting for the living. So he and dinner's going to probably have to have a conversation at the very least which should be pretty interesting after he just tried to assassinate her. There's also great moment when Braun has the crossbow and he fires off at drogue on MRs dares is like locks eyes with Bron. She like, you're the guy who wounded my kid like I feel like at the very least he's gonna have to get punched in the face for that one too know for a second time. So I think that'll be really fun. I think that just when you have a little more context of beyond this episode plays better than. Probably played in its first viewing. Yeah. I I loved it. I loved it scream. I don't remember if I was mad in the first time through, but I loved it today. It's all the counts. Excellent. Excellent episode. Excellent sequence a really really great episode. And I think the high point of season seven for sure, okay? I mean, the cliffhanger is just like the next like pulling Jamie out of the water space. It's like no big deal pretty much. Okay. But I like I think that it would have been more frustrating to have them like out of the water, then just like cut to black. This was just like, you know, the hour was up here. Totally totally totally needed a way out of this episode back time. All right. Josh that is going to do it for us here as we are now only three episodes away from the end of our rewatch. We've time to this. So well, yeah, nailed it. You nailed it. I know I d-, but it's working out. So we've got three episodes left in the rewatch before we start getting into some ramp up material for some preview stuff heading into the final season of game of thrones. Next week. We're coming to east watch we're going to we're going to get the brotherhood without banners. Back into the into the scene. We're going to reunite with Genry gantries. Yup. He's back. Yeah. I think people look at this episode this next one, and they think of it as the either the weakest of season seven or the most forgettable of season seven, so it'll it'll be interesting to to hash that through and see where we land on that this were Davos is going to sneak into Kingsland or two. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one thing. I remember he's got like the pickled crabs. Yeah. We'll have fun with that. Okay. So Josh anything else you wanna touch on here today. No got you know, fully in game of thrones season for me, so t HR dot com slash game of thrones, lots of stuff happening all week long picking up the news as it breaks and keeping up with those weekly final path columns. We posted our brand stark final path column on Sunday of this past week. And the next one coming up is boy Sam well Carly coming up this Sunday those post on HR dot com slash game of thrones at nine forty five in the morning eastern time on Sundays. So if you're bored on a Sunday, and you want to read about game of thrones. And you want to know what I think is going to happen to these character. I stop what you're doing on a Sunday rejoices article worked hard on it. Thanks, man. Yeah. You're right. Well, I was going to check out joshes article, but not bored. I still six the umbrella to whatever you wanna do. I don't wanna dictate your life. Just live your life. However, you wanna live it. But if it involves reading my articles about game of thrones that will make me happy. So all right. Josh Wigley on Twitter at round Howard, follow him for all the latest news coming out on game of thrones. I'm at Robson take everybody. Good one by.

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Mini Crush #68

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Mini Crush #68

"Everyone has a side hustle. Well, that's at least when someone told me. So I said out to find these side, hustlers, and see why these people decided to work more than they already were. Join me. Carla Murray, your host of side hustlers, as we meet a new person following their passion every week. Hear the stories of people like an aviation worker with a soap company, a mailman who owns a brewery, or a mortgage, underwriter turned beauty expert. Listen decide hustlers on the iheartradio app or on I tunes or wherever you listen to podcasts. Welcome to movie crush a production of I heart radio. Hello, everyone. Welcome to mini crush. Knoll saying, based, Jack sang tuna. All of that. Kenny, we'll know because you did parts but you know what comes in? Do you even know? I don't know. Is it daddy, sang bass mama saying yet that is doing base Mimas? I've never known anything outside of just those lines. Is there is there a part about something and grandma join right in grandma? Grandma grandma, do something give grandma apart. Ramonica MS my grandma. I'm sorry. Man. I made a real how you doing? I'm doing great. I'm excited about this episode no goal. I've got love in my heart for the movie crush community. They are a good community. Good bunch of folks. It's really good. Everyone's iron does such a great job and social media for the most part. The rare sort of snippy snarky thing, but our social media pages different everyone, we want to be kind kind safe zone for everyone to just have a good time and talk movies, and I'll say this. Like I we, you know, one of my other shows ridiculous history, we have a really nice active Facebook community, but the thing that's different about yours or ours, as you say something on there, you, you hop on there, then you have one hundred twenty really good responses that we can then use on the show very quickly. And I really think that's pretty cool. That kind of engagement in the five people that really wanna play. So that's pretty great. And I also it's very instructive to because there was one threat on the movie Crushers sub page. That someone was like, is it me? Or do I love the mini crushes more than the interview episodes and a lot of people do a lot of people love him? All a lot of people just do the interviews. Well not a lot. Actually, some people just do certain interviews, and then there was some like constructive. Critique like you know, I think these guys should do this a little more. I'm kinda getting tired of this. So, yeah, I saw that one of them was, I think just not just reading copies as being a little more. No. But honestly, that's the intention is always to engage with it as much as possible. Get use it as a jumping off point for that. We can talk about. I think sometimes we're all a little, you know, we're, we're doing to these in a row, and we've got somewhere to be, and we sometimes maybe aren't as in gauging, we ought to be and maybe a little too reliant. Sometimes on you guys to help program show. So but I just know we just did want a second ago before this that presumably came out last week. Yeah. I thought it was a really good middle ground between those things I thought right away. And I, I think we in both read that comment. We didn't talk about it. Till now I think we both kind of up Dr game a little bit. So let us know did we do that thing? Are we still shooting the bed? All right. We're gonna start off always with corrections corner. And we are going to Heather Barclay. This is a military. I'm not gonna say military pedants because people in the military are very specific pedantic there you say now. Okay, about their should as tight and correct. Yeah. And how they talk about things that's you know. Yeah. Civilians always gummed up and casing. I certainly did in our full metal jacket episode because Heather Barclay, former marine. Actually, I don't even think you say, former marine. You know, you say, former marine, not ex-marine maybe that's that makes sense. Or maybe I'm just fucking on the Lao or there's going to be a correction corner about this corrections corner that other Barkley says once a marine, always Marinho. Maybe that's the thing USMC boot camp. Recruits aren't soldiers. We kept saying soldiers, marines you, call the marine. That's right. And they, they call them that they marine, I know get over here and drill instructor. Not drill sergeant. So that would be a drill sergeant would be that as in the army. Yeah. Yeah. However, then then yellow fairly the Daniela told me how to pronounce the name. And he says that I don't know if he's for marine. He says Semper fi love say that if you're not a former marine. Well, can you say that isn't courage? I think it becomes appropriation at that point. Right. I, you know, brother-in-law's marine he's a general for God's sakes. No. Well, you certainly don't get the bumper sticker to actually he. Says that on your second point, I think the time period, depicted in the Marine Corps. They said drill sergeant at the time and Heather was very sweet about it and said, I'm totally flexible. Yeah, they had a nice exchange. I like seen that once again, great community. Why are you talking about marine stuff and full metal jacket though? That was army, and how it was marines marine. It's. Oh, yeah. That's the whole thing then. Okay got because they're specially, you know, the big scene at the end restocking about Harvey Oswald, and Charles Whitman. The yeah, the yeah, sniper killer and they all learn to shoot in the Marine Corps. I guess the point listen, I love that movie. I, I haven't seen in a while and I forgot the distinction there, too. And the thing is too. It's very easy being a civilian to conflict, the two. Yeah because they both seem similar in the way they're trained. But obviously there's nuances that we could never possibly ever have very like protective of their brand. Of course. We're not army. We're not maybe we're certainly not. Air force. What can you tell me what it is that differentiates them they're considered more of an proud? You know, there are not many marines armies, there's, like millions of army soldiers marines number in the hundreds of thousands. I will say this. I always thought it was interesting that they're called marines, but they have nothing to do with the water, which is, you know, first in last out. Yeah. Yeah. Marine water. Yeah. I don't know. Mariner that Mariners. All right. And we're going to do one more correction in our old, friend speaking of Daniela fairly toe. He breaks down the Bladerunner thing 'cause we got a little confused about which version. And he really this is very instructive. So have the nation cetera. Yeah, thanks here. Here all the releases. He said eighty two was a US the ethical release famously bombed Noir. Voiceover happy ending. No unicorn dream footage from the shining at the end, I would guess ten to twenty percent of fans prefer this version. But it's from the shining at the end. Yeah. Hard driving scene up the mountain at the beginning of the shining is used at the end of Bladerunner. No shit or or just the aerial footage of the winding down road or whatever. Yeah. That's had no idea reused. It ninety two the director's cut released in select theaters nationwide. Huge success Novoye. So ver added unicorn dream inference Deckers might be a replicant. No happy ending. Two thousand seven the final cut. Yeah. I remember that one instance, scare quotes, essentially the sexier version of the director's cut released in four k phenomenal. Visual effects corrections, visually stunning. Super job by director producer, Charles. Lousy Rica, Lahser Rica of than were closely on it with release guts, input. Eighty ninety eighty to ninety percent of fans. Think this is the definitive version of the film and really Scott has gone on record saying, so got it. And so that's it dude, those are the one two three big versions of blade runner. I need to see the final cut that, that sounds like the one. Yeah, that sounds like the one because I want to say when I watched it because I, I kind of stand, I've been saying, I prefer, I've always loved blade runner. I've always loved it largely for if it's a static contributions to Sifi, cyberpunk cinema or whatever. And I think a lot of people feel that way. But on rewatching recently. I really felt it was kind of light on story, and that there wasn't a whole lot of motivation for some of the characters and it was a little confused as to why decker cared so much and like why he was so willing to fall in love with the replicant and why they're there. Ship happened instantly. No real chemistry. I didn't quite understand why he would go to bat, you know, and like his job and life on the line, for this person that he only met once I'm sorry, this, you know, and I realized it, and I think I was with the AVI over Sion, and I felt the same way and I thought the re not the remake the Ryan Gosling, one of which is so much richer the world with so much richer. It took all the things that the first one stablishment terms of the look, and then it just added to it, and really completed it made the first one better. I think so too. Yeah, I'm really excited again in a while I like to as well and I'm really excited for villa news, dune Gesia. I'm not a doing guys far as like the book now movie or anything. But I just know that it's a crazy thing he's probably gonna do great. I'm sure he is. I mean that's a book that I you know, Robert lamb and Joe McCormick for southwe. Huge huge fans of all the books. They're juniors. I have tried to get through that book multiple times, have always sort of snoozed out on a little heavy on politics. And it's very slow. But I love the David Lynch movie because it's just so schlocky and weird and ever psychedelic and it's cool. Yeah, it's cool, but it's also kind of bad. But I, I wanna see what? Villeneuve does with it going to be really cool because it's a great concept. I can't wait. You know, it feels great everybody paying off high interest credit cards getting a lower rate and saving cash money. That's why you should refinance your credit card balances and save what they credit card consolidation loan from light stream. You can get a fixed rate as low as six point one four percent APR with auto pay. You can get alone from anywhere from five grand to one hundred thousand dollars. And there are no fees, you can even get your money as soon as the day you apply. Plus light stream as division of SunTrust Bank, one of the nation's largest financial institution so you can have complete peace of mind. So if you wanna save even more movie Crushers can get an additional interest rate discount, and the only way to do. So to go to light stream dot com slash movie crush. That is. L. H. T. S T, R, E, A, M dot com slash movie. Crush subject to credit approval rate includes point five percent paid discount. Terms and conditions apply. Offers are subject to change without notes. Visit light stream dot com for more info. Mission. All right. Noah, we are going to a brand new segment, called stump the jumps. Remember, remember that segment on car car talk. They would always do stump, the chumps really did. I just rip that off. No. I it's an idea. I didn't because. No, I'm sure it's been done in time. I thought it was being so clever didn't know that the great car talk. Did it? Those two guys classic click. And clack. Yep. Hall of fame Br catheters others. So let's say it's in tribute to them, and stump the chumps ago, we are the chumps. No getting specific. And I said, let's try and stump us for Knowle's to game of thrones. And for me raiders of the lost ark. I just kind of fought like what do I know really well? We'll go and start off with a barrel. David, for knoll. What are the names of the gods in the face of the seven there's the mother, there's? Had the krone I wanna say, I don't know. I, I know there's those two okay other there's the seven oh, there's okay in light of this in the light of the seven. There's like I don't know. I don't know. I know I know one of the mother, and I'm pretty sure there's the crown, and I might have made that one up, there's probably like the tinker tailor soldier in the spy argue just me too, because I don't know the answer. This Chuck what country is Indian the start of the film. I don't know that where is he? I don't know. He's a jungle. That's right. And just for the record. It's, it's the mother the maiden the krone. So I got two of them. At least the warrior the Smith, I'd say the tinker that's kind of like the Smith and the stranger. Okay. Yeah. Some two out of seven. Do we know do mind? Okay. So it would be do we look these things up. We should afterwards. Right. Dewey. I dunno. Well, we also want to know for right? Well, I mean, I know I'm wrong, so don't know. Okay. We can. It's. Evan gundy. I feel like he's an old friend says, Chuck raiders, what is written on her? I leads he's talking about the classroom scene. In if I'm not mistaken. I love you. I heart, you may be is written on her eyelids when she blinks to her professor. Which is creepy actually, you know, I think it's just love you love you. Okay von. Yep. I'm giving myself that one. You totally deserve. And Gundy, Elsa, says this knoll who was featured is the main bad guy in the show. But nowhere in the books the books. Oh, yeah. I mean it's, it's the the night, king. Well, maybe not. I mean, the here's the thing, the night king in the show is like this personification of evil and he's the leader of the white walkers, who are like the undid creatures, demonic creatures from, you know, the land of winter, whatever. But in the book, they don't really have a leader per se. There is a. Character called the knights king that kind of seems like he's going to become maybe what ultimately have in the show, but it never happens in the book. So I think that's what he's talking about. I think it's the nightcap, right? Maybe this will play and corrections corner. People can correct are fun. There you go. Good call. All right. James has this for me Chuck in raiders the side kick, who was killed in the opening of the movie played, which Spiderman villain James. I know that that was Alfred Molina and a very early role. So it would be octo- was his name, doc doc, doc. Doctor octopus. Alfred Molina by the way, friend of the network, he's always popping up on our L A wing shows. Yeah, I've tried to get him a movie crush hasn't worked out yet. We should talk to his game. I talked to Jamie Lofton and talk to like, the folks, you know, the daily zeitgeist he's always always, he's been on because he's got a podcast. Now. I think yeah. So he's trying to you know, but he's also been on, like. On ethnically ambiguous. He's been on a handful of LA shows would love to sit down with for he's a legend man total legend prick up your ears. What a great great movie. All right. We'll go to you now. Knoll David Barlow, our old Powell says, no, what is the single of house Bolton. As I g I l what is a Russo. It's Roose Bolton. Oh, ramsey. It's the it's the it's the flayed man. Okay. It's a skinned man. The call it the fair for to the flayed man. The Bolton Ramsay Bolton is one of the big bads of the show. Human big bads. He is the most distant, evil psychotic character I've ever encountered any work of fiction, skins people alive for fun. I feel like you're getting these right now. Yeah. I know that one's for sure, right? Yeah. All right, Jeff, we'll go to me now. Jeff F or both. Or with says raiders law star Chuck what actor came close to playing Indiana Jones. And why wasn't Harrison Ford first choice? I know this Jeff was going to be Tom Selleck for a moment, which could been great. I could see that could have been fine. But, you know, terrorism for it, and I think it almost wasn't if I'm not mistaken. Because of his recent turn is Hans solo, if I'm not mistaken, almost wasn't because of that. I think so say didn't wanna steal the thunder from like he was such a big smash as that Caribe had something to do with it. So Tom Selleck known for what was his big action PI. Sure, sure. But a TV show, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's where he made his name. I mean he was in certainly a handful of movies over the years. But he was never the biggest movie. It wasn't really a leading man kinda heated Jairo to China, which was this weird adventure, romantic comedy, Mr. baseball where he played a former baseball player that are retiring the goes to Japan to play. Yeah. Didn't have the biggest film career. Tom Selleck interesting TV, mustache guy. Friends. He's on friends. He's on friends. Play Monica's a much older boyfriend. No them. Yeah. Let me see here. Well, here's a let me go to, you know, Chris, Bob, it says Noel Tyrian has made Whoopie with how many ladies of the night. What's that semi? I don't even know that Joe you can't count that, that's a whole the whole point. All right. That may have been unjust. I think it was just jape as they would say in books, unless he's kept count. Yeah. Well, no. I'm gonna give you a do over then Earl Palo e Silva know how many characters were killed off in the first season, I guess he's talking sort of main characters out, God, that without require some real analysis a lot, a lot of like by this point, they're dead. So I don't even think of them as main characters anymore. So I'd I'd really have to backtrack. I mean I don't wanna spoil his for anybody. I'm gonna I'm gonna take a pass on that. I if I really racked my brain I could get them, but not off the do we don't have time for that. Here's one for me. Keefer year out. Interesting name says Chuck and raise lost stark, what fruit does the monkey that ultimately kills it dates, bad date, sad dates? And why did it kill it? Well, I believe those were meant for Indiana. There isn't. Yeah. They're poisoning. Okay. Yeah. They're poisoning. They hadn't just weren't hadn't just turned. Yeah. Got it. Got, you know, spoil dates and all that will fucking kill you nothing nothing worse than a bad day. Let me see. No. Here we go. Earl pal. Stehlin Carlson, says this who is one way one. Dr one. That's the giant. Is it? Yeah. Okay. And they call him one one for short. All right. As full giant name, maybe in the future, we should tell people in there to leave a reply, leaving the correct pay. That would be a good touch. Probably. Let me see oil Powell. William Anga says who currently owns the rights to the Indiana Jones franchise. Geez. I dunno my guess would be Disney 'cause they every right? Yeah. I mean, even know Disney, let's see. Well, I mean, it would be actually. Is it? Yeah. They've owned it is it started out as paramount. If I'm not mistaken says, well, they, they acquired Lucasfilm. So did Lucas. Yes, what it says it says here, the series production company was Lucasfilm, and they acquired it in twenty twelve paramount retains distribution rights for four films. But the IP rests with okay. Isn't he? Well, you know how I remember it was paramount because very famously in the raiders. The paramount logo the mountain dissolves and you have the Mirroring shot of the real mountain is the for shot of raiders, and infamously in the crystal skull movie, I believe it turns into like a fucking like muskrat hole, or something like that. There's a chill like seriously. It turns into like a. Yeah I remember that now. Yeah. Get us going on that again questioned. William. That's a good one. Karma hamadi. I think karma no Powell if not welcome karma. No, who is river Phoenix and Indiana Jones. Well, he played young Indiana Jones and the last crusade teenage Indiana heading bit. I know that at all he was at rate is a bit. So it was kind of a bit part. Yeah. It was just one sequence that once interest so good. Sorry, I saw pop up when I was googling idea. He was in. Let's see that again it's been a while since I've seen last crusade. Sakarya says knoll. What is the story behind? Ho doors, name ho. The door hold the door. I even remember that for my very, very sad couple of it was, it was one of the few like it introduced the fact that time travel is a thing in the series, and that you can change the course of events because brand travels back in time and. Inhabits ho doors body, and makes him do a thing. I can't remember exactly but it definitely is the one time where you're like, oh, the course of events can be changed through the powers of wargin, which is when you move around in a different creatures working. That's what brand does. He's a war glazed right now. All right. Let's go to let's go back to me. Mike Castro our old friend, Mike, Mike stern it up on the movie Crushers page with some game of thrones shit. Nice. It was a big threat. Going about. Did you see that? I didn't. Yeah, about whether or not apparently, there's this thing where people who don't watch game of thrones or being very aggressive about their non fandom. So I didn't know that was a thing whereas it was sort of evenly divided then coming from my camp. There's a game of as a non watcher. I feel like I have a pineapple growing out of my forehead whenever I tell someone that I'm there people. This is how it goes down, as they say. Oh, what about last night's episode? I'm like, oh, I don't watch any more and like I get gawked is you even did it. I did do. And how can you not watch that? And it's always like I've made to feel weird 'cause I don't watch it. So it's a strange. Back and forth. I think that's probably why the, the aggression. Well, there's a lot of debate on the chicken and the argument, because the game of thrones people like Noman people being fucking Dicks just like going out of their way to say like on watching, it's dumb the blah. Yeah. And Mike had it is getting into one of the good media. We're you probably heard about this Chuck in the last episode a they manage to let fucking Starbucks Coffee Cup slip into that. That was the mean those this is literally all I know about game of thrones picture of are aired sponsor whatever and the Cup. Yeah, that's funny. And then they sees it out. And we released. That's there is just to take a quick pause from a production perspective with your experience there. How the fuck did that make it past the all the levels of quality control? And like all of the passes of edit and like shit slips through the same way of Mike. Need it through a shot? You know, make it into the final print. Yeah. Yeah. With TV and streaming, they were able to go back and fix it up load. It would if it was like in theater, which we do on the podcast, not this one occasion. We release every. Well, something will happen. We'll republish it. Versions always out there. Yep. So Mike says this Chuck in the beginning of the movie Indy was searching for an idol. He has to question. What continent Neagh is multiple choice Africa? Asia, South America are Australia. I'm gonna say South America. The look of the idol does feel South America, South American feels like Brad tried or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. We definitely and then no, he has this question for you who is the Royal executioner that beheaded? Edward stark. At ARD at ARD Ned for short. I wanna remember that character's name. I remember he, he's multiple choice her. Yes. I think I could. All right. A Serre Barrick. Don. Dri dairy dairy announced him be Serra, Maron Trant think it's him. Sir. Jonah slit or sir, Illinois pain, Ilene pain, because he was the, the he came from a long line of executioners, I want, I want to go this real quick. All right. How do you spell that? Alien pain, I l y in? P A, Y, N E is what he has. Yeah. We need the answers these kind of like a dummy, now totally Ellen. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We, we we're doing the we're doing the homework, we're good. Good job very much. So let me see here. Cam Hoffman has one for me. Cam says this Marian never wins the drinking contest in Nepal. True or false with us false. She wins. Of course, she wins stowed it. What's the actress plays that character? Karen. That's right. Yeah. She wins because the, the big burly feel like he's like Nepalese, maybe he smiles after the shot. And then passes asses right out, she collects. Although let's right when Indy shows up in her life in and he's very impressed. All right, we're gonna. Yeah. He is. And cheese instantly sober to for someone who did like forty shots in that fighting a hate that when that happens in movies knowing one of the ones that always bug me was in a movie. I didn't like very much independence day. Right. When Jeff Goldblum is hammered on scotch because it's like I guess he's lost all hope. Then he like, figures out the thing or whatever it is. Then media is like programming facing. Wait a minute. You just get bottle of fucking Scott. You're not over. No. That's funny. All we're gonna finish all with you, Brandon. This is an old friend, Brandon Surigao. Sir agai Surra Gail game of thrones in the show, how is Jon snow related to? Meister. Amman. Well. Aiman tar. He's a target. He's a secret. Targe aryan. I wanna say no. We'll just knows Jon snow's a secret, Gary, and we don't find that out until later Ayman target sayin should have been the king Varian sorry. He should have been the king, but he dec- like what, what, what do you call it when you when you take your name out of the hat withdrawal? Yeah. Withdraw what it. What, what, what? No, not concede. Recuse he recused himself from the proceedings because he became a Maistre of the citadel glazing over again. There are. No, I'm impressed with your knowledge, though. You gotta go. No well, I just don't, but I don't remember the actual blood relation he's, he's his like 'cause Jon snow is generes nephew. Okay. So that and then Ayman would have been. The brother of Dinares father. So what does that make him to John? It's no. If Jon snow is Dinares nephew. And the character in question is Dinares uncle, what does that make him to deny his nephew, is that would be your uncle great uncle? You're uncle though, it you're saying, no, no, no aunts uncles. So Jon snow's aunts, will the can think of this is through my own life. So my aunt Jan. My mom's sister her uncle. Jeeze isn't it? Great. Uncle, I think, yeah, exactly. I think there's might not be a word for it. There may not be word for word for it yet, probably. But hey, I at least laid out the lineage there, man. I'm impressed. I think all that's pretty much accurate. All right. Stump the jumps everyone we may keep that one going. I don't know. I feel like game of thrones and raiders are both pretty good for us. Maybe we should just leave that up there for a little while. I'm down. I mean, I certainly have more source material to work with the new. So I kind of feel like I got more questions. I don't know. No, it's right. Okay. We don't have to be equitable. That's fair. 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That's the thing sometimes if you're have other noise is going on. You might need a little help. I had last night. I my landlord was installing knobs and handles all my cabinets in the kitchen, which is really close to where I watch TV and watching TV while they do. Okay. Let me let me, let me ask you about what you should. Let me ask you about the decorum on this, then okay, here's a question. He my landlord recently came to me and said, because of property taxes going up in my neighborhood, which is kind of a ground zero gentrification neighborhood, Greg, dark, that he's upping, our rent by, like twenty percents. Which is not insignificant about two hundred dollars a month. And I've been after him to do some repairs and some like painting and stuff because again, I don't know in the house, I'm paying rent why. It's not on me to spend money to improve the house. Of course he's the landlord. He had been giving me the run around on it for a really long time. And so when he came to me is that I'm raising the rent I said, I will only even consider staying here and paying that if you do a whole bunch of stuff. Right. And so, then, yeah, he was in my house painting, my house, and I'm sitting there with my kid. What works? Totally work, but get you to stay supposed to like help him out. Like, I don't know depends on the nature of the relationship. Well, here's the thing to he did it all himself because he didn't wanna pay anybody to do it. Right. So at that point like I did feel kinda bad. But I also made sure that anything, you know, but I'm also not gonna do the work. Well, of course, I was just revenue alka. Now, did he I guess we'll go on our little real estate? Tangent what's in your lease about what about raising rent? Well, the, the lease is about to be up, so we're going to renew that usually in the, in the least though it will say something about upping rented the end of the lease and like it can't be capped, generally, maybe I know, I know I know in Georgia in particular, it's usually only governed by market value. And the market in my neighborhood is definitely higher than what I'm paying so interesting. Even what he's upping into is significantly lower than like the houses around me for. But again, there are some things that he. Needed to do, but he did he did it all he did. Everything I asked him to do and roommates right now have a remained. Who was at person. His name's Frank. He's actually been on some of the other shows he's a he's a friend of the shows. It's ridiculous history before. And he's very good guy. He listens to. He's probably listening right now. I think the movie crush community is stunned for the entrance of new character named Frank. It's true. Frank like Nole has a Frank have a Frank. Jeez. I'm taking it back. No, I'm a little jealous dare. I say, don't you guys should meet? We should hang. All right. Let me see here. Here's another good one. That was all coming back to subtitles. But yeah he was drilling and shit. And like I turn the subtitles on because helps you in case there's a burst of noise, you can keep up with what's going on. I hear you. Took your advice to by the way, about ambient lighting. I got some of those Hugh colored bulb things that I have in some items, and it's got a nice dinner on it. So whenever I watched TV or watch a big movie, I turn all the lights off in the kitchen and other rooms, and then I fade, those colored lights at working great not adds to the vibe like you said it really sets off the, the picture where you can really very nice. What's the word for separation kind of very cool? I like that. All right. Dylan Nichols got I've never heard of doing this. He got a lot of up likes though. He says this R O palled Dylan says my wife and I used to have date nights, where we would pick one of our favorite movies and watch it re watch it. That is in black and white by turning the saturation on the way down. I've never heard of people doing that as about the nerdy thing I've ever heard in my love that. I love it too. I love it a lot. I don't know if people disapprove of that, or it's a thing that people do I have never heard of. That's great. That's great. I do know there's like there's a black and white official release of Mad Max thunder road, and also of wolverine the Logan moving. There's also a black and white version of that. Yeah. I could see that. That that was really good. Debbie are. Oh, pal. Debbie Frangiadakis says Lowry salt on popcorn. That's like a season season. The soul. Yeah. Like something. That's sound good. All right. That a world I mentioned you nutritional yeast on the show before. I think so as you make a face because it doesn't sound appetizing. It really is. Good on pop. That's right. Yeah, Leigh east. That's an all's big recommendation of science thing. All right. We'll go with brandy McDonald. She says we do movie theater nights with our kids, where we they pay tickets in quotes to get in and are given tickets to purchase treats to enjoy during the movie much cheaper than taking them to the movie theater. So they kind of play like they're going to the movies by and doing the same thing at home. That's very cute from Brandon McDonald. That's a fun thing to do with kids. I think it's also fun to take them to the movie. Sometimes. Robert paulson. Our old pal says, always make popcorn in a pot. Never do microwave popcorn easy to do this better for the environment. Paulsen? You California hippie. You LA godless LA hippie freak. Hey man that's respectful to hippie freaks. Louis silver old Francis separate bowls for Eminem's and popcorn. Otherwise, they just sink to the bottom. So I think he's saying mix them in now to truly mix them. Yes. Gotta do the mouth mix mouth mix. He's right. Eminem's do fall in the bottom. Sometimes it can be a little problem. Actually, they're like peanut like heavier Eminem's you know, they'll just separate out, then you'll I mean to me, there are no other Eminem's. I agree with that hand me a regular Manella might what the fuck is. What's the point even it needs a crunch are? We're gonna finish with this Earl pal Kayla image says, freshly grated parmesan cheese on your popcorn. Absolutely really. Yeah. You gotta toss it though. You got to put it in a separate bowl and mix it. So it kinda coats it. Because if the popcorn's hot enough, it'll cause the cheese to melt just enough to where it will cling to the to the doors on melts is a little different. It's sort of a half melted. Clinger melts. No. I've done that before pretty recently, actually. All right. Liam Mitchell gave it a big thumbs up and said my fav- as well in some fresh cracked pepper, I was about to say, maybe a little Cayenne. All right. Well, these are the popcorn recommendations that are rocking my world. Never knew of such a thing. I'm gonna give it a world. I don't make popcorn a lot of home. I should do it more. I don't either. But I when I told you what my cabin getaway with the guest book, and all that we, we watched labyrinth my, my girlfriend never seen him before. And we, we made a bunch of popcorn and that's labyrinth, and it was a delight are no you know, we're going to close out the show today. Do you just reminded me a found a picture of the guest book signing? That I referenced in the last episode nonetheless episode, but that was inspired by the hor-, fair horn dog will Ferrell hot tub creepy. Couple. Yeah. And it's not as many as remember but it was okay. November two thousand fifteen wife's birthday weekend this weekend. My wife and I and again, people if you didn't listen, this is what I wrote in a guest book after a weekend away with a bunch of friends and a cabin for Emily's. Birthday, and I recommended people always do something fun. And funny in a guest book, if you get the chance my wife's birthday weekend, this weekend, my wife and I in a small group of alcoholics rented name, redacted lodge. We had a lot of fun laughed. Loved swap partners and learn to, to about each other along the way we each found all of the various beds to be very comfortable and very sturdy an all caps. The hot tub was used as an used on an as needed basis. And we found the grill was perfect perfect for cooking variety of exotic game meats, that was the welfare any doubt. We'll definitely be back now that we've put our stamp on the place, and that's in quotes, who Ray for name redacted lodge. Love the McCormack's. Mccormick's. It's part of the joke. No. Get it. I get a love not gonna put Chuck Bryant from stuff. You should know in movie crush, or maybe I should like one person every ten years would say, like oh my God. Did I tell you that Joe at his wife rented the same cabin that I rented a really Joe McCormack, and I, I only could tell because they have like a instamatic camera there that all the guests take pictures of themselves with she's on the wall. I thought he'd carved head was here. Now, I just I the fridge it was on the freezer. Joe that's might a bit. Was that a little creepy? Or is it like funny? It was. I texted him immediately. And I was like, what are the chances, and I guess, there's not that many cabins, but there are a lot of cabins. This is particularly nerdy cabin like it was all covered with all the art was, like, Harry Potter Star Wars base. And we didn't know what you didn't tell me as a Harry Potter. It was a Harry Potter cabin. Yeah. That makes the hot tub was shaped like a fucking cauldron. It was fun, though. And the yeah Joe said, yeah, we're totally going back to that cabin next weekend. It's like our Kevin. Wow. Yeah. They were taken by your side Potter cabin. But now he had a great time, but actually haven't followed up with them. I don't see how is a second. Stay went, wow. You guys are just, I guess, similar tastes only issue I had was the hot tub was, like right by a road so that, you know, you had to kind of, like, let it all hang out, literally, you get creepy about going out in a hot tub that Joe's been Deng out in the hot tub. You know, the chemicals are meant to protect you from other people's lungs. Okay. Yeah. Scott, Don killing really. All right. What a great way to end a lot of fun. And we'll see everyone through the internet next week. Let it. Got it. For more podcasts for my heart radio. Visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows Tom Chelsea handler. 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S8E6 Recap

Game of Stools

40:11 min | 2 years ago

S8E6 Recap

"Final episode of games tools, presented by post mates and ruined by HBO. Frame. I going this has happened. You haven't beaten paying attention. Last thing you're ever going to see is a stocks winding down. You as you die. These ladies enjoy him so much. They gave him the time for free. I wanted to now with me. Somewhat triumph com. God is. Things I do for love. Game stools final final episode series finale of game stools were here with Clem an Elliott myself. The guys started at all. We'll wrap it all up. That was the worst episode of TV given the circumstances. I think I've ever seen. In my entire life. My entire fucking and you know what I? Right now because I give it the benefit of the doubt. I was sitting there telling you wait for the last episode. They'll give us something they'll get some kind of fucking reason. Oh, you me on the show yet, you know, I was the I we should I this is the bullshit. Are you kidding me? This is what you're giving us giving. Pick our leader and Brenda broken, they're really going in random provoking show. Some respect for your king the brand lagging Chuck chug a joke. Not my king Elliot's written to move to the north. She is. I, I mean, this is this is why Ellie see what last episode. I said, I'm just rooting for chaos and I got it. I mean I've lowered my bar so much that it got to the point where I, I knew this episode wasn't gonna make me happy. So I'm able to now just laugh at how bad it was. Now. I can't imagine how I just kept sticking to my guns like you did I'd be I'd be devastated right now. Like three or four weeks ago, I started bracing for this psalm red. I'm good. I'm good. I was like you know what? This is a new show. It's just just arts, educations, Bhadra, even with those lowered expectations. I was stunned. Elliot's officially crying. It's all it's also like half your life, but your first ten years early council. It's kind of your full. If you've been reading those books in watching the show for like since you were. Well, like ten the. Yeah. Like twelve. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Ellie as a supporter of the king of six. I brand the bowl. That is so insulting. I I've seen a lot of bad shit this season. I've had a lot of complaints about a lot of things. And I almost wish I could go back and temper my hate so that I could so that you so that you could understand my level of hate for the time, lapse after Danny gets killed. We fast forward to this little summer can't meeting, I cannot begin to describe how fucking mad. I was at that. I mean you saw I was looking around like up I was like I was like I don't get with what's happening. I was slumped in my chair and then and you said something like oh, we do a little like little fast-forward here, and I kind of chuckled. And then when I realize, that's what it's all of a sudden it's summer and everyone's everyone who's pretty looks good. In interiors been locked away forever. And then they just have their little summit and a guy was supposed to be on trial is now, picking who the leader is. And he just tells a fucking story the whole. Thing was, basically, like, no matter what unfolded, it could have always been that could have always been Syrian being, like hey, you know what brands got a good story. I really I mean, we all knew we all knew brand was going to was going to sit on this throne somehow, but I at least they were going to do something with, like his unbelievable, mystical power, where he like war, and saved the day and it needed to be him, and it had to be him. And people wanted it to him other than just some corny s tale. The buck about this story. He's exactly where he was supposed to be just like, John was exactly guys looking at the small pictures here. You have to think big picture. Yeah, I have to I have to fucking stunt on right now. Like I called the brand wagging like two and a half years ago, brands my guy, and everyone's mad at me. All I did was by Amazon stock at, like twenty five cents. And I was like listen to a little bookstore in Seattle. They're going online fuck wants a Brooks or who the fuck wants a cripple that is like just fucking roses. Is this guy, and now Basil's are on first name basis? You call it. You wanted it. I mean, I did not want it. I wanted to the rule there was this is the result of it. This is a bad. I actually appreciate that. She was like no fuck they at least it was something give me some sopranos shit. Make it up on your own. Yeah. Yeah. Even or even if there was just some sort of, like, John. I don't know the dragon like approves of John or some shit. And then and then, like, you know, we realize the unsullied on the rack year, like cool, John to whatever that I don't know what, what how else they could have done it. But the little the little epilogue a little yes for twenty five minutes. Sorry, it was absolute. I, I don't know how everyone else felt about this, and I know dragons supposed to be smarter than humans in the show or whatever the Drake and melting down the fucking thrown. Like the dragon these like? Yeah. Symbolism Danny was that was what killed in? It was the throne, and that's get that shit. The fuck out of my face. You were crying for that. I will say like throwing being burned. I call the throne me melted to that was one of my early predictions in this, but I didn't. Like the throne wasn't going to matter. I didn't know it was going to be burned down by a dragon because he knows what killed his mother. So that was so that was when Tyrian was in was imprisoned. John went to visit him and Tyrian basically had to pitch to him. Like yo you gotta stop this Queen, and it was like word for word that defense that you needed to make to all the internet. Why did why did Danny go bad haters where he listed out? She he she crucified these guys. She burned these guys. She hung these guys. She. Yep. And that's why I mean, stuff like that is where and then they and, and then they gave us fucking ghosts all you guys can talk and relax about ghosts. Let's make the white people have go that was that was cut and they had in the last three days. Those are two scenes where you could play the old like just wait and see sort of thing because at least they kind of gave you at least at least they acknowledged that there needed to be some sort of explanation behind it again. It's all hyper speed. They kill Danny. Then they pressed the fast forward button and give us the yada, yada, yada. In the wake of the queen's assassination, that was the most important thing that is ever have been. Yeah. The bit safe fucking yada, yada, yada, everything, like the yada, yada this whole season. They did. They cut away from every important almost death. They cut away from every important conversation, and then they just cut away from the aftermath of Jon snow, killing to narrow Gary, if you are the head of HBO, and you have to like talk often Weiss you go, what the fuck, did you just do with all my money? I have actually become woke on this, I've gone, full circle, one of the prequels that we've heard so much about is literally just season seven and eight forty episodes. They're just going to give us the fucking what we should have if this season if that little fast forward never happens, the John and Danny dynamic all this shit that we're like they just if Danny's plunge into madness, if they give it to us in forty episodes in great, I'm fine. I'm sure I'm sure again the whole issue here is not necessarily like game of thrones is bad. It's that they didn't. They didn't tell the story, right? They didn't give themselves enough time. It's. Everything. Less mad. But I still don't think I would be down with this whole the little summit, and then just being like actually and you know what that whole that whole scene. What's his face standing up? Heavier totally get the fuck. Get the fuck off my Jimmy, and then Sam well pitching democracy, which while funny for, you know, it was funny. We were ready to riot when when we got was the end. Oh my God. That, that, that to me, like there was no need for, like, let's lighten the mood. Let's have a moment of levity here. Let's laugh it up like they did back to back like hokey jokey, punchline things. And then they go into the super corny speech from Tehran. And it's just like what the fuck that whole thing on every level was lame. And then Sam while also drops his big fucking book on Tehran. He's George are Martin you got mad. Yeah. But the second of Tiernan said that the words story, I turn around and point, y'all know. Oh, man broken through the entrance to. I was feel who's got the best story ran has the best story. Well, there really isn't much. I mean it's just like the this this season left. So little to actually discuss that there's a reason why the discussion this whole season was about being a fan of game of thrones not actually game of thrones because they cut away from so much and fast forward through so much. And then the way they ended it, it's just like John eylau. I laughed the fuck out loud. When you go laughed when he got assigned to the night's watch that was whole Larry. Is it brings the George Costanza joke full circle ends up back at his old job, somehow which doesn't matter, by the way, the Nike doesn't matter the wiling matter. It's just cold, so you have to bundle up layer just like in the forest now. In like going to be not pulled up there. That, that made that was like, whatever Santa, she's quitting the north whatever find Arias sale in the high seas pirate now. Like, okay. And then even like the way they did that meeting where like Tyrian fixes the chairs and they all come in and, and fuck the chairs up and he's like, laughing almost not laughing, but he's frustrated they needed a laugh track. I get time goes on life. Goes on devolved into, like a bed Seinfeld Seinfeld anymore. They're just like cracking jokes on. We need ships. No, the coin says this while the master of ad says it like love those characters. Yeah. Jail bickering at each other. It's like shut the fuck. This game of thrones here. I wanted to go on the TV just shake your game of thrones right now. What do in show brand being like, okay sounds good like you guys figure it out. See later, I'm going to go find the dragon. Britain. What were you doing during the battle with Phil? You sneaky little bastard. You fuck. I am so mad about that still as brag is a writer. I still don't know that we didn't get the conversation between him and Syrian. I mean, we got it was so few things that were given to us. But I really will never ever ever ever forgive or forget them. Just fast forwarding to summer camp, where everyone's sitting around the campfire deciding who's the captain of the team. That's really what it was like a team captain. Like give me a fucking break. I don't want to give spoilers about vendors but the vendors give us five fucking years. They gave us three weeks game of thrones three weeks. Really, can't people working, I'm sure they needed to post meets all their food and booze and supplies and everything they needed get delivered right onset. They probably use the promo code stools thrones. What is it still is my promo code stools to get one hundred dollars of delivery off for the next seven days. Sign up with post mates. Use the promo code stools one hundred dollars of delivery over the course of the next week, they have twenty five thousand merchants available in their networks. That means every store every restaurant every pharmacy. Whatever you want. That's nearby. You can order anything from and they'll deliver it within the hour. Twenty five hundred dollars off your delivery when you use the promo code stills. Let's let's try to do some nice things. I've thought Brienne with GM was a nice feeling. That was really was again. I was thinking about that. I was thinking about how in his book, like he didn't have anything and he did so much. No one knew about it. So I was happy that she did that, that meant a lot to me. I thought it while like wildly impractical, and unrealistic Tyrian, finding Jamie Yasser under, like four bricks that happens when a whole fucking castle implodes on you. But that was. He when he started smashing, the brick house. Bitch fuck it. He killed my pets friend guts. She liked that scene. The only there was one moment. I thought it was awesome. When when Darren dragon's wings were her wings fouls, the drag and the one thing that they yeah, she probably became dragging. The one thing that they've always done. Well is the visual aspects. I did it with the gain bowl and throughout the whole season except for the one up. So that was complete dark for anybody. You see all the shit has been totally on point. That was a very cool moment. And I will say I thought they made Jon snow looks so stupid by like having even him even like being around her to her number one enemy, then Tyrian explains it. He still goes into her. Then they still have their like kissing moment. And I was like, boy, this guy really fucking. I had like, like a split second before it happened. I was like, wait a minute. And then you hear what the oh yeah. And so that was awesome. John for finally doing something right for God's him, but I will say, very, very in line with the rest of the season. It like it didn't even really get to at the moment. Yeah. And it was it was like he went from, like know she's my Queen and it looked like Kirin really didn't do a job commission, and then he did it anyway. So, you know, like everything else, it just rush. Right. To doing the whole, like how do I know? What's good? Like, how do I know? It's the right thing. She was basically. It's okay. Kill me like yeah. Yeah. I mean break that wheel. And now there's a now you know what, to run the entire fucking kingdom. They're gonna fix it. I. Bicycle now unicycle to you'll I the, the only thing I did kind of like was Danny defending yourself a little bit good. Because I was wondering how they were gonna literally do that, that confrontations. She really believed. She was good. Yeah. And I bought into issues like how many times of you kill somebody who went against you? And this thing I was kind of, like, you know, whether whether or not you believe it or agree with it. I wasn't sure if she was going to land her dragon and be like bloodthirsty, and it was just like I'm the mad Queen now in her mind, she was like, no man, we're going to go fix the world. And honestly, I bet you or throughout the course of history every tire every tyrant and dictator like had some relief of steps. That was like, oh my God. It's Mussalini, right. Time Hitler from the office. Podium into real scared. That was great. This is the bitch. Crazy. That was awesome. Very cool, Valeri, language sounds awesome. When you go Hitler with it. Harry and like confronting our was cool toss in the pin drama Queen needs to do that. Tyrian really useful to the city that was all good. Then right up until after she died. The great great episode was like this is awesome. This is the ending we deserved. And then they really dropped the fucking. I've never seen someone dropped the ball that hard. I don't know. I mean, how did you ever watch Dexter? Yeah. Well, he became a lumberjack. Okay. Yeah. Did you watch loss? No loss was pretty bad. Dexter lumberjack was really bad. Seinfeld's jail cell was pretty bad. When you're bringing these episodes up about it. I mean. Also the point to is that, like they actually as much as we're clowning them and being like, wow. You guys really fucked up? They're kind of like par for the course for the ship. So why they're drinking. Right now they're blackout drunk, as we do this their stores. Star wars. Use a drink right now. I really. This whole podcast became more dramatic than game of thrones. Like, like Ellie was the Queen. We were the villains out on Queen finally has come to the dark side winner burn you on the winner of this podcast. Absolutely. You know it's funny. The, the there was that famous quote from George Martin where he was talking to someone some fans at that convention, ever. And he said, like, when you're writing a who done it and halfway through the internet guesses that it's the Butler and you had written it has the Butler. What do you do? And I think that there was enough people on brand either, just being flat out the winner, or the whole night, king idea, which while it wasn't true. They still are on the right track. Kind of feel like people guessed it. And then it was just like anticlimactic is the one ending that honestly it didn't want cry again. I'm not gonna cry again. The, the brand minus five hundred in the books the last couple of weeks. You know, Vegas always all that kinda shit. I, I want to shut up this guy. His Twitter, count, as my burner county tweeted this back when I wrote my brand thing around then twenty seventeen he put down twenty brand to win one fourteen hundred. Seven thousand brand on the throat, which told us that back. I mean, even when I wrote the blog I never was like brands gonna fucking throwing thought he might just be important. Turns the fucking I would've had it been the whole night king thing and a little bit of time travel and a little bit of complication, and all that shit. I could've been down with it. The fact that it just ended up being like will this boy, went through the most, and he has had the wildest hail? Through the most do you know fucked up the goddamn country would be Kevin would be the head of barstools. Maybe I should be down with this idea because if we're just we're just handing out things to be a lot of shit. I'd I'd run this fucking Kevin the broken. Kevin the council. Insulting. I cannot believe they street piece or calling him king brand. It's opposite a brand the Bill. I like how that little dichotomy or whatever you wanna call it. But it's yeah it's bad bridges. A broken Jeter. Just didn't give look Mike. You just did the Jericho Martian, this whole thing sucks. So many people are tweeting me and like texting me like are you? Okay. We had the like the episode, and we had the fuck this fucking show from Ellie. And I went under my brother went. And I knew she wasn't liking it. But I was like, oh, boy, she's officially out there kind of a meltdown like on Twitter. I just I just had to like seven tweets because I, I tweeted a HBO show the fuck up. I feel like the ghost did give some people a small batches satisfaction starts running shit, basically. The head of the night's watch. I think we can, you know, whatever shots on says the king of north or Queen of the north excuse me. Which was I liked to the north. Bron Rangoon's, everything else are is about to run fuck in far western, or whatever it is. And, and what's this face goes off to the islands grey worm? Yeah. So you really can't count on TV shows to deliver every single time, you know, especially with these finales, it can be very difficult to land the plane and wrap things up. 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You're not gonna have any other commitments, you're gonna do, just to killer. You don't have to actually murder somebody like you said you were going to murder each other. And I believe there's a murder, so's still still on the table. Yeah. Use the promo code stools for twenty percent off your first box when you go to hunt up killer dot com dot com slash tool. Sorry, not code. It's hunter killer dot com slash tools. Get twenty percent off your first box and join up the whodunit murder, Mr. yourself hunt to kill dot com slash tools. Yeah. Grey worm definitely lost some followers, this couple episodes, and just like the end is like Tyrian. Brion Braun, padraic Sam. Well, don't you talk? I know it's just like they were not the smartest. They were not the fastest they were not the sharpest, they're the only person who deserved to be in that room was Marjorie Terrell. And I will stand by that till I die. Think about that scene. Think about the winds of winter, the final the this finale season six searching blowing up the saps. Like I feel like it's a different goddamn show. We just watched. I mean that is fucking star affec- in there. I mean watch when, when she walked out with the dragon, I don't really really thought I was like this is going to be what we need that, that she had that leg Hitler moment. The dragon moment I started getting scared not use Hitler moment in a positive. Cool, cool. And I'm saying that as a Jew was pretty cool. How about drug on just like chilling in the snow when he woke up and. Yeah. You can go go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you're not gonna hurt it just damn. I also got mad that was like we couldn't get it goes thing. But we got the go. Do you think those mad like it was like first of all why? Even make if that was me. And I knew I had that. Would you put out a fucking statement? Yeah. Why wouldn't you be like I can't wait to more episodes. You don't fuck the show now. They got they got so in their own way with their with their statements and shit. Social media was not good to shut the fuck up so mad. And I bet you ways can just just go fucking fuck. There Star Wars and be done with blog at earlier. It said he said eleven million people are going to call out sick to work tomorrow, and I was like, that's outrageous, people offer since people because they're hung over buffalo chicken dip, or they cost a million dollars on the game. I was like, there's no fucking way. Everyone hates to season. We have a million plus on the petition which I think million million signing fucking. Fucking. But I think people are going to be, like, straight up the press tomorrow, because the show's over and be like, really just people up there. I'm not going to be productive tomorrow. If I haven't interviewed eleven tomorrow, I'm going to be like commuters. Like talk about. But I'm like, I don't get to process that I'm sad that game of thrones over because I'm so mad about how it ended that's not fair to me. That's Kevin everytime football season's end in the patriots so metropoles over the more mad about that. And it's like you're really. I mean as game of thrones has been turned into sport like a, a fourth or fifth sport team for me and it fell right in fucking line with all my other teams it disappointed, the shit outta me to the point that I'm left complaining about the owners. Will the Johnson's the fucking Dolan's? And now the Benny offs in Weiss's like God, damn it just wanna be sad that the show's over, but I can't be all wanted to do with this podcast was talk about the show. And instead, we talked about talking about the show and, you know, the like get so stupid metal with it because there was nothing to talk about. Because every time there was maybe going to be an interesting moment. They just didn't they, they don't want with it. What did the other podcasts talk about like what did they what did they do? There was there was a lot of this, like, really. I mean, there was a lot of talking about talking about it and talking about being a fan of it, and whether or not character oryx were, were like being completed, right? And I mean, really like what would you I gotta hear my old shift XI's gonna be pissed? He's good at these so mad, the, the one, the one like one of the longest running ones, bald move, is it Mike, I was called something or other. They, they after the. Who was the last one? The previous episode declared like f minus said tear up, tear up the Star Wars script like out the score. Stores contract guys don't deserve anything and those guys were like the biggest biggest game of thrones dick riders ever. They made you look like negative. So everybody, everybody, basically joined the fucking dark side. We're just they're a little bit. Earlier winning isn't a good thing. Again. It goes back to my sports teams. Like I don't want. I want egged on my face. I want the Mets to be good. I wanna be wrong about them. I wanted the season to be good and even tweeted right before this started. I was like, I'm actually still excited for this. Why dude, why I just wish I don't know. I don't even know what this point. I'm just so like empty you like is this how you feel all the time. Much like now you know why am Kevin's like I day, like Kevin's a kid cries wolf. No, he's the kid that lives with wolves there. There's a will. There there's a will. Like crying, there's just all the time he didn't meet all of the things that I get irrationally passionate about sports, and then this kinda shit. Yeah. End up being like there's somebody said about the KFC most we sit on the Mets podcast. We started podcast that ruin the Mets. And now we ruin came started I started podcast. I'm gonna be mad at you because can I kill you? Can I kill to put Kevin on your Twitter account? Just see just people are just be like put the fucking Vilis problem. I don't like her anymore. Elliot's looked at me like I'm the one who wrote the game of thrones. I'm still mad that they didn't make king's landing look worse on that map. I wanted to see fucking that nothing. But ash. I wanted, sir skull down in the basement. I wanted everyone to get that kinda shit. Didn't give us that either very little satisfaction. Last hearth kit that shit out of my face to that was one episode. It was worthless to us and that fire scene. That's piracy ended up to makes me so angry Jenny song. I'm gonna go this Jenny song, and I'm gonna go fuck white my hats, which any song, I eight. What all those mother fucking people. Fucking giant giant goodbye for no fucking reason. You. I will say this secrets that were like revealed, what was even the point of having secrets and whatnot. If you never see anybody being targeted. What is the point? That was that was. L E J was like the most important walking thing in the world. It turned out to be true. And then it just didn't fucking Manny things. Georgia are mar must learn what a red herring wasn't I'm gonna make the red herring the biggest part of this fucking story. But nothing. Dragon letting him through is like it's sorry only got a key card. That was the entire point of the derided dragging a little bit. And he got close to her do anything point full with the dragon. I often I everything was pointless, everything that we were so excited for ended up being fucking pointless. John non mattering arguing is really crazy. Really, really really not mattering at all. Like his powers mean power. What did he ever do? War guavas that, like mattered. He just found out that John was to our area. Wow. I saw this guy tweeting today. Somebody sent me this threat. I wish I could shout them out. He he, he sounds like he's like a TV writer of some sort. And he called. He says, in TV writing, there's something calls called pants tres, like you've right. Yeah. Plots tres or something like that. It's like I came in the exact terms, but it's like some people right plots, and they dig into it, and they like planet all out before they right? And they have a beginning middle. And end they know where they're going, and then some people right by the seat of their pants and just develop it as they go. They said, George Martin is one of the greatest pants tres in the whole world, because put what that leads to is a lot of dead ends, where it's like, well, you know, when I was writing this last year, I had this idea that he was going to be a bastard son, but he was actually this and that, and then when all the sudden you don't land, the plane, and maybe that's why he takes so long to write it. 'cause he's got a lot of shit to wrap up here. All right. So this is from at D Silverman. Wanna know what game of thrones feel so different? Now I think I can explain without spoilers that has to do with spoiling brand wins the throne because I would really, really tough skimp there a little bit because I think he really explaining screens indepth but yeah. Plotters versus Panthers, if you're not familiar with their sanction plotters, create a fairly detailed outline before they write it Panthers. Discover the story as they write it. So a lot of people have the story plotted out, but characters can be like kind of come and go and Panthers have an easier time writing realistic characters because they generate the plot by asking themselves with this fully realized person would do or think in the next dramatic situation but because Panthers are making it all up as they go along. They're prone to me entering plots and can struggle to bring everything together in a satisfying conclusion. So a lot of writers will do the plot their stories but pants their characters. George are. Martin is a Pancer and says, that's why every plot point and fair in hindsight surprise landed with such devastating weight. Everything that happens to these characters happened because of their past choices Robb stark is like the Pitta me of all right. He's got fucked by his. I mean, if, yeah, if you wanna re Di Silverman is like I mean, it goes on and on and on. But you can you get the vibe there. Is that like, in the beginning if you're doing a lot of Panthers writing, and then all of a sudden you're handed the keys, and you have to land at all and those weren't you're reentering points. It's like I don't know what you were talking about when you said that, you know, he's targe area or this or that it's like decipher Charlie. Kelly. What the fuck is that hamburger, and like three feathers. This is Charlie Kelly like map, Georgia are Martin gave him a Charlie Kelly map and we're trying to read it. It's it makes great sense. I mean, I don't know who this guy isn't how he would know who the which, which who everyone writer is. But it makes sense. That, that's why it would be such a stark difference stark. But yeah, I mean, that's, that's that was what happened with lost, like a million, cool things, and Easter eggs, and what you thought, we're going to be symbolic moments that just meant nothing. And I think this was even worse because though these seemed like they were going to be made Jeter plot points night. King, nothing. John being ATar Garin pretty much nothing night, king. Forget that whole thing was just for not. Nine years ago, nine years minimum. The thing is like there were so many things that I. That meant so much to me over the last couple years, like when we've had not, John was tar Garin cried because I was like, Kat. He never have loved growing up Catlin was a dicta- him didn't know. And like that felt significant to me and not just that was it like that's we got nothing for him to go back to the night's watch for swimming. Three or four sorted. Could you imagine that? Like, like put yourself in those shoes like if you ended up back in the same town or the same job or the same marriage in the same spot, and you had gone through what he went through. Killed him back and forth death this now. Yeah, he's like, I'm Gary and Larry, I was a fucking king. I, I understand the idea like, yeah. Brand can't siren kids and he said, well, that's that's good, because sons of kings are assholes, but, like, but literally what's gonna happen in the next person. Just go back to our fights war. Yup. There'd be another war. Ask you just added another one two of them. I said, the, and I almost feel like you could have at the end of it all, said or at least lasts frame. It's like something. It was John, it was like field of dreams walking woods. This. I was wondering, I was like, is there going to be a cliffhanger here, or like is there gonna just someone is gonna turn blue go away or something like that? Because I was like what you know. Are we just gonna walk away in the forest you're gonna walk away in the forest? God, I got put it up there with, with Dexter and lumberjack again, because the bar being set so high like every a lot of shows have bad finale. But usually, you know, usually like a lot of shows like Dexter was is keep referencing that 'cause I was such a bad that was a joke. But also decks, it was real bad. Like season six seven eight like it was the writing had been on the wall along time. This show was really like still cooking. I didn't love season seven like because I think a lot of these same issues started then but this show is still like really fucking good. And then just like no. So if you like worse than almost any of these shows that failed in the finale. They fell off a cliff, like faster and harder. So I still don't understand how they like, Saul, where the story had to go and said, no six episodes, six just even if they had done ten regular season like why wouldn't you just say, let's make the final season a regular one the fact that they were like let's make extra abbreviated. I just will never. Ever ever believe that Star Wars didn't play into this and Star Wars. Fucking. I'm in no Star Wars defending mood right now with you guys. And like I think this could be like Star Wars is probably fuck. Like there's going to be a lot of game of thrones. People are like I'm not watch, or, or at least, like you really gotta earn them back. Yeah. You know, 'cause I mean the best Star Wars movie ever written. Yeah. And I mean. Based on their tracker. Good. Yeah. Like Ryan Johnson. He's doing to hit it. And I loved him from odds mandates and batch it. He is. He is a star with Chile too. And I'm like, co fuck yourself my friend, and I listen to critics because they all love blast gym. I it's like it's just bad. It's bad. Thank you. Yes. Elliott to, you know, when I started here, we told her like she's gonna come to the dark side, hate everything, and become bitter and Jj. And look where we are now you're crying, and cursing and screaming. Fuck you. Pretty far. You did mine months of the black helmet is on. My baby. It was a Mela Sandra, like black baby of smoke death. And now you're here. All right. I mean I say there's that's really about it, right? I mean any final words form, I mean now are watch. I were listening knows it was controversial ride. I think we did. I don't know few million downloads in in six weeks. It was hit look like a fool on all those episodes, now, listen to him. I mean it became very when people like just, just wait to see the next episode because we'll make those episodes good that never happened again with thrones. That's what's gonna happen with our podcast to the defenders very, very funny, he'll whole Cogan ear. Let me hear those I know we were we were unfortunately right from the first couple critiques so we had. And so, I am going to continue if you're not watching her noble on HBO you should because it's Phil far you're so good. And then it's going to suck the last few seasons series. So it's just it's like six. Soad's based on the actual events. Attorney very, very good Barry season family is probably happening right now, veeps finale came and went with nobody talking about thrones was so good and successions coming back. So there's a lot of good TV to talk about. And while we have all these people subscribed downloading and listening, while I'm sure vast majority are here for just game of thrones. If you're down with TV talk stick around, I'll probably be doing some of that this week with kind of hopefully, the same cast of people coming in and out for shows, you said, I'll, I'll come in for stranger things, and Fargo and other people have their favorite shows so kind of be a moving part sort of thing. But we're going to try to keep the TV taco. So if nothing else maybe game thrones the final season gave birth to the barstool TV podcasts that I feel like we should have been doing for a long time now and shots. Everyone who suffered through this season with us. Thanks for thanks for always saying nice things about me. I ended up being wrong and apology accepted from everybody else. And now our watch has.

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It just raised a quarter of a left, and it's never even saw the product before Leonardo Davinci, electric cars are having an American manufacturing renaissance right now for like a hundred years in the United States. You just had the Detroit Big Three. They were founded in nineteen Oh three, nine, thousand, nine, hundred and nineteen, twenty five. That's like before sports even happened for one hundred years. That was it. Yeah, it was pretty much. There were no other American car companies found. But we're not including Cya. Then came Tesla and finally electric cars didn't just mean a Toyota Prius which is really annoying. Luck and now after Tesla we've got nickel based in. Arizona and we've got a future based in California, but we've also got lucid based in Arizona and we've got Lordstown Motors based in Ohio and we've got arabian-based in Michigan which just raised a huge amount of money to scale electric pickup trucks. We have a shocking alert for Elon. Musk ribian might be the first electric pickup truck that actually goes on for sale for customer, a good friend. Jack saying that because Tesla. Cyber truck is still TVD probably won't go on sale for twenty twenty two Nikola. Cult stock like they claim they're going to come out with. Some Proton powered pickup trucks. This thing is still on. A napkin somewhere hasn't even been close to becoming a thing. We have no idea if that will ever go for sale, but Reuven has prioritized. This are won t electric pickup truck to take on the F. One fifty like right now. Yeah, this things coming in like six to nine months. No jokes knackers the investors that are owning up two and a half billion dollars. They're not just giving away money, Rivi. No, you got two types of investors here. The first is actually just giving up money. T rowe price infidelity. They're writing checks for one hundred million dollars, and not giving anything else. They just want to old part of Rivi Classic Fidelity, but on the other hand you got investors who are technically strategic investors like Jack who we got Ford? Motor Company owns part of Rivi and there a strategic investor. They actually planned to build an entire carline based on ribbons chassis. Chassis and there's no better word to say her spell than chassis, but another strategic investor happens to be our buddies over at Amazon when Amazon announced climate neutrality, pledge one way. They're gonNA. Do it one hundred thousand electric delivery vans that they've already ordered from Rivi, also Amazon's kind of involved, because like ninety percent is deal. Is Just bezos Hating on Eli? It's a stage to. Try. We did the analysis so jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies? Overridden building cars requires way more capital than building tax knackers. Religion has received six billion dollars in checks from its private investors. Just so far now those investors in exchange they own shares of Riviera and when Rivi and has an IPO. They're going to be like sweet. I can sell these shares hopefully worth more money than I spent on, but six billion dollars is an insane amount of money for a company that is pre product with its product. Think about facebook raised one point three billion before its IPO. That's a quarter of riven river. River never sold a product. This is such a big amount of money because carmaking requires way more than just a few engineers and a bunch of free popcorn at the office. Did you need a few hundred thousand dollars just to sketch up like the first rendering of your first car, and then Jackie and need a few million more to do. The Three D. printed model of a single version of and then you'll need a few hundred million to prototype, the first actual car to like show off at not, and they need a few more thousand till I get. Jd Power, people come over test out the. Five stores shocker review finally, though the Gulf, all of these is mass production, and for that, you'll need a few billion dollars to build some assembly lines in some factor. Ill cars requires way more capital than building tech for our second story. We are entering the second painful round of the Krona Connie. So we're looking to steps ahead and Joe Biden just announced his plan for a different kind of economic stimulus knackers, the challenger for trump CEO ship of America, is Joseph He's worth out his aviator sunglasses, eating some ice cream and headed to. To Pennsylvania I because if you're a politician, you have to spend sixty percent of your time in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania equals though real America now Joe Biden shared his plan so since it affects the economy, Jack and I wanted to jump in snack style a little further, if elected Joe Biden said he will spend seven hundred billion dollars to rebuild the economy from the COVID. Nineteen caused recession, so you can break out your pencils. See how this breaks down and four hundred billion of that seven hundred billion would be spent on things made in America. America less sparkling water, Seltzer, delivery, APP, more clean energy and infrastructure for this country exactly, and this is the kind of stuff that has to be made in the USA, so it's going to get that fancy little like flag stamp on the body. That's the real. It doesn't get bought with government money unless it's made. America also again has to have that stamp now. The other three hundred billion dollars will be on research and development to like corporations and universities to ensure that American companies produced the things. We actually need case in point remember. Remember like a few months ago and we need those ninety five. Mass! Jack like looking everywhere. We're all like Oh crap. They're all in China, and they're not giving them to Serbia has more masks than we like. It was crazy, so those three hundred billion dollars, worth of grants will focus on electric cars, five G., artificial intelligence and other futuristic thing. That's when we get the self-driving sparkling seltzer delivery APP. That's where that comes out. Of course. That's that's where now how would this all be paid for question? We should always be wondering. They're going to undo the tax cuts that were passed in two thousand seventeen. Yes, stocks actually rose a lot. Thanks, those tax cuts benefit of businesses, so they could fall if this kind of thing gets reversed, but if Joe Biden's plan works than economic growth would help American families which would help sales which would help revenues and eventually profits. Stocks stocks didn't end up budging. When this seven hundred billion dollar plan was just announced. Because there's just so much uncertainty right now about who actually win the election. We basically just have to front row ever wins. Their plan won't come into effect until January. which feels like it's decades away I think in the Kobe it actually. Actually is literally a unit of decade now we wanted to highlight this story because Nick and I just realized we're entering the second round of the Corona Con- yeah, you're gonNA. Hear the Ding Ding. After the tone, the first round was an abrupt, an insane situation March. When like the cheesecake factory temporarily furloughed thousands of people. We basically turned the off switch. Yeah, I mean economy and it was brutal and painful, but now we're starting with the second round of krone economy layoffs, and this is slow and long and painful. Unfortunately just last week, walgreens announced four thousand laughs United Airlines thirty six thousand workers for Levi's jeans, seven hundred people getting laid in just the last. Last week, Sir Letaba, Brooks. Brothers MUCCI, they all declared bankruptcy. The economy won't naturally just bounce back from the hall. which covert has put us into so Jack? What's the takeaway for our buddies? Who are the US economy once? We've rescued the economy. It'll still need to get its groove backs knackers. Three trillion dollars has already been spent by Congress on loans and grants for businesses and cash for consumers most of that money, though went to rent like mortgage payments, medical bills, and like a savings account hasn't necessarily found its way into the real economy. You're not getting like the SPLURGES at best buy exactly so when Kobe finally under the control. Hopefully the economy still okay. Okay, but it'll be smaller them before right. It'll be stable, but smaller which means it needs to get its Mo. Jo back government spending on us made things and on us, companies and institutions is a great way for the economy to get its group back. That's how it gets. Its grew back and so we're hoping that whatever administration ends up winning after the election is focused on that for our third and final story kind body just raised cool thirty two million dollars for women's fertility, specifically the soul cycle of women's fertility. That's right. We're talking about egg freezing Jack. That's the cool office per Google uses to get you to not leave and go to twitter. If you want to have a baby, but not right now you end up spending a cool twenty thousand dollars to maybe save healthy eggs for later on if it works, it means a woman might be able to delay her pregnancy by ten years, which is really convenient for some people typically thought that. Is something that women are doing right now. In their thirty kind, buddy thinks it's a business opportunity. If they pursue twenty year old people exactly so this company is targeting customers earlier than the competition is, and it's using a very strategic marketing strategy. Kind Body just raised thirty two million dollars from venture capitalists, and it's building up an elaborate marketing funnel strategy to eventually get women down to the prophet puppy product when we're talking funnels Jack knifed to whip out the Whiteboard, and it begins at Stage one where you're going to notice some kind body big yellow buses. Red Bull's marketing strategy. I think they have a bus to. Roll around affluent urban neighborhoods with his big yellow bus with like a really nice living room. You can come in walk into in the bus. There are doing like blood tests to test your fertility there. It's like a moving billboard. The second part of their marketing funnel is their physical locations. Were they offered two hundred and fifty dollar for tillage assessments where women can sit down and talk to. To somebody about plan, and after you've been once may come back to that physical office location of kind body, because it happens to look like you know your dream, living-rooms, knackers Google, kind body DOT com. It'll show off the lobby. It is gorgeous. This is like Sheikh lobby as marketing. It's like the and we work exploded. There's no nineteen ninety eight parade magazine in the waiting lot yellow actually. Actually feels like you're in honeycomb subway tile succulents. There's enough fake trees there. You consider this a forest Brazil now that you're in love with the place, you may stick around. Have a consultation with the doctor. Talk about your nutrition sat up a relationship with gynecologist, and you really love this place now. Then you're onto the prophet puppy this six thousand dollar egg freezing. That's their core profit puppy. Puppy. It's where they make most of their money and they're able to offer at lower costs because they just have a much leaner set up like a hospital system so jack. What's the takeaway for our buddies over at kind body? We're most excited about this new phenomenon which we're calling the little brother, little sister expansion strategies, knackers bodies multiple locations right now, but they ask to fascinating questions. Adding the next one the CEO asks where is soul cycle opening up next, and is it next to a dry by ourselves like his opening up next no joke, verbatim quote, kind body literally wants the same customers as soul cycle spinning has and dry bars blow drying locations. It wants sole cycles customers so badly. It's chosen the same color font and the same branding. And they're following in its footsteps doesn't stop there there. Clustering their physical locations where the sole cycles happened to be, you are a startup like kind body, chasing the same customers as a better established company like cycle. Let that bigger company do the research for you wherever soul cycle is a worthwhile neighborhood to set up free ride like piggyback off that research and set up your location tail Jack Seeing this takeaway as just another way for you to save some time. Jack Kenya whip up the takeaways force. Force to start the week. Riven is likely to become the first electric pickup truck early next year in needs billions to make that happen happen. Just need millions Joe Biden could become president, so his economic plan matters. It matters a lot because we're in phase. Two of the corona economy, real thing, third and final story kind body is helping women own their future with egg freezing. It wants the same customers a soul cycle, so it's just going to set up right next to soul cycle. Don't overthinking. Where soul cycle the pack rides together I think they say at the site. I think that's what they say Jack. Now time for snack back this one technically a couple stack vaccine by Aaron John Ramos also celebrating ten year anniversary in lovely main congratulations, John and Erin and speaking of anniversaries. This state of Maine is celebrating their two hundred year anniversary this year. Not Bad now the state seal. Seal for main happen to have Moose on it. Because main is one of the highest populations of Mussa's in the country at the lower forty eight Jack Mussa's Mrs Mices, Moses, I. Love we it the lower forty-eight lower than Hawaii. It's awkward and I. Think you can kind of round up with them now. The old main seal had to be changed because the moose looked like a deer. A problem because Vermont seal has a deer, another animal with ambiguous plurality. Now before we go snacker, also happy birthday to sense greedy, not in India Eric Roth and Ashley Klein your buddies up. In Burlington Vermont are toasting a pint of Ben and Jerry's to celebrate your engagement congratulates, May, your cookie dough, be endless, Jack h wise day. Have you had your stack standing? I have we'll see you tomorrow if you know you know. This is Jack. I own stock of Amazon. The Robin Hood Snacks podcast you just heard reflects the opinions of only the host who are associated persons of Robinhood, financial llc and does not reflect the views of robinhood markets, INC her any of its subsidiaries or affiliates. The podcast is for informational purposes only and is not intended to serve as a recommendation to buy or sell any security, and is not an offer or sale of a security. The podcast is also not a research report, and is not intended to serve as the basis of any investment decision. robinhood financial LLC member Finra SIPC.

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Season 8 Preview

Game of Stools

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Season 8 Preview

"This has been. You haven't beaten paying attention? Last thing you're ever going to see is stocks finding down to you as you dive. These ladies enjoyed him so much they gave him the time for free. I wanted to know. Triumph. God is. Things I do for love. Very first edition. A game stools spe- seven part podcast predicting recapping and reacting to the final season. What is arguably the most important TV show all time right now on the panel. We have three guys myself be here to ask the questions like hold the fuck up. Wait a minute. I don't know that from the book. I don't know that. I don't remember that from the show. Explain it a little further on the other end of the spectrum. We have the many snacks God, we have a name. Yeah. I I actually actually I texted Charlie whisk. Oh because these guys used to do some games game of thrones. Recaps we had a big to get that on my YouTube channel. I know generally forget about barstools I being out of everything bar so has been late to the game on. And there is a lot just now getting into game thrones content might be most of our most grievous mistake. It was just a last minute. Like, oh, wait, we should probably do something. This basically game of thrones. At this point is like the NFL. This is an NFL season. That's about the start imagine. If we didn't cover football. That's what this would be like their final season. It's a cultural phenomenon we have to talk about it. And we barely barely put something together. Imagine. If if game of thrones happened everyone's going crazy Twitter on every it's like every headline at every outlet all that. And then the next morning partial just didn't have any of recap blog. Crazy, and you believe in. No, no, no. We're going to talk. Thrones. Like you said Kevin. We got a kind of a mix. I do think. Probably what seventy eighty percent of people are just they just watch everything kind of unfolds. And then they sit back and go holy fuck. What the hell just happened versus kind of grinding over like game of thrones read it theories watching all the YouTube videos. I think Clem is more deeper into it really deep into it. I think I'm somewhere in the middle. That's why the three here will represent everybody knows bunch of shit. I do not and and rigs of somewhere in the middle. And then I mean half the office listen so today, we're going to pull in Elliott who is like the survey of barstool who has she's read the books and she is super nerd about this shit. He got guys like fights Trent. I mean, Casey reallowed people are watching so this that's a hell of a label can live up to help. That's also like when she comes in. I'm gonna look at her very adversarial. Like what's going on with you not trust? She's saying I'm going to be like talking to you. Behind the scenes trying to play the political game. Aren't a woman's own new app? The best ones between legs and how to use it. So the the reason why what you just explained why I think Ayman thrones. Arguably for me winds of winter was what's what launched it in the conversation of like is this the greatest show of all time that sequence with certainty and the wildfire and her revenge. I was like this. Now, we're really talking about like the greatest ever. But the reason I think it is the best is what you just described rigs. You can just watch it, and you can have fun, and you can root for dragons and zombies if you want you can like the political human aspect to it. And but you can take it all for everything that face value or you can go in depth, and you can read the red threads. You can read the books. You can read the fan theories. You can go way deep on this. And either way, it's it's okay. You don't have to do that to enjoy it. But if you want to it, enhances it like thousand times more let me ask you this. Where's everybody with their watching like, obviously, we all caught up at some point? We started watching it in real time. I did I believe in no. I started from scratch again, I went all the way through it took me until I believe a week into January, and I watched every single episode again, and then I o week ago. Again, started going back through season seven, okay this. But we know clemes been doing sixty seven sixty seven tonight every single night for an I'm I'm basically, I'm a little behind right now. Like, I'm on. I'm sixty three right now. I think okay. So you got you got some catching catching up, but I've seen it. I've done a little bit ready digging and the YouTube all chipped actual shout them out right now anyone with a British accent that explained to me I feel like I like. I watch him don't worry about it. Like, I kind of know what's going on here. So it's. I met strictly recaps like I watched the only episodes. I've watched the last time I played watch the full episodes by last finale, maybe here and there episodes like flipping through HBO but all done watch recaps of season seven recaps of seasons. One through seven theories shit like that. So dude me Mike podcast is helping us out with this show to Mikey. We're talking right before when I started watching season one again, and they're all just in the same place. Why like intermingling in talking about how things are going to go down? And like nets Norwich is wrong. He's incredibly coat close to just basically like being on the throne. Having like the best guy all of the series is just on the throne in it looks like this is definitely going to happen. Pretty much done. This is just everything's shit. So bad that it'll while all is is is just getting hit by the bore when he went hunting. There wasn't a accident. This is the king whatever it's like Steve Irwin dying because of fucking Stingray. This guy's ballet crocodiles all time. It's a Stingray that we lost that guys save. You gotta tell you fucking magic. And dragon white walkers. You've got run over by a fucking Paik, man. Are we talking pig? Just Veres a little left that everything's fine no series, which is which makes you like when you dig into all this shit. All the magic like you said the dragons we're talking about history from eight thousand years ago, nobody brings any of that that missing drunk. I on the on the throne a bunch of dog shit. This is that's kind of where I'm at on a larger picture right now. We'll talk we got some some questions from our like a mailbox. We'll talk about specific theories. But the the general question I have right now is whether this is rooted in reality still, or if we've gone to the world of magic, I always pitched it to people who are like it's for nerds only dragons a magic. And I was like this is about politics. This is about a power struggle. This is like how Sakari more than it is like Lord of the ring. Just like they're. Yeah. There's some elements of that. But it's really about the human struggle, backstabbing, power greed, yada, yada, yada. So that would lend you to believe that like one of these people are going to win somehow and actually sit on the throne and ended up ruling because that's where this all started. I think in recent seasons we've gone way further into magic. We're talking wargame and time travel and dragons, and and magic blood and all that Shimla, Sandra all that shit. Really started to play heavy to the point that I wouldn't be surprised if it was like, well, this guy's travel back in time to become the night king. And he's just wiping everybody out. I I think now that's much more than table. And it was kind of a chicken and the think too because they're condensing the episodes now so the seasons. Right. So last episode last season seven this season is six episodes. And I feel like if you kinda just have magic take care of a lot of drag drag outs things up. Yeah. You can wrap it up. And I think a lot of the people who love the political side of the story are a little turned off now because it's becoming more of a TV show than it is. It's like epic kind of you know, like a slow motion Lord of the rings movie, which is crazy to say loud. Right. And now it's kinda gone to this like you said it's kind of this little fantasy world where we have dragons zombies, and that's kind of it. But there's really not much. We're not gonna have to worry. Sam and Gilly fucking going on expedition for three day. There's no time for that shit. There's no time to watch aria sweet for six episodes. And I'll be honest if I never saw the great joy again. I wouldn't give that'd be awesome. I like you're on. I know he's important, but all the iron islands shit. Just that never came on my screen again. I'd be okay with that one hundred percent. And look, I'm obviously like I started my fucking job here parcel by writing about politics. I love the dramatic Cepal and elections and all that stuff. I'm clinging hard to the fact that this is like rooted deeply in an it's not far off from like, our current political realities in all political battles that you have. It's more Hausa cars than it is kind of like dragons and magic and ship, and you can kind of like if you're trying to justify that and your head. You can do it within you do it with like, the dragons are actually dragons right there, just like political capital. And then I look at like the fuckin- white walkers and the whites that's like, that's those are the terrorists. That's like a fuck about anything just wreaking havoc. You've got seriously. Russia, right. Jon snow around the US unveiled the giant fuck in crossbow. It was just like all right? We're gonna come up with like, anti antiaircraft artillery. Like, it tends still be rooted somewhat in like this is still fighting good bad evil against each other. That doesn't have to just be like snap your fingers. It's all over because one person has matching. So that's where I like to live. And that's how I picked people to who were doing anybody who's anti game of thrones. Always does right. Like all I don't get into like, Harry Potter and like the magic and the. Yes, exactly. And you look at it all political capital and things like that. I try to stay tethered to it's closer to reality than it is to fantasy hope that we're going there like I'll tell you right now a little fingers alive. I'm going to be furious. Knowledge is power that is some face shit. I'm going to be very upset face shits get not hand because then anybody you can pull the rug out and do a little little little rope dope on everybody. You could tell me everybody they kill. Now. Could just not be that person because are in the in the face people like that's dog shit and mental like that kind of going off that too. There's also. Theories are even alive, or is it the way that took his face you came over. And then the other thing is like, then why is she taking care of our is less. There's a whole bunch of a weird shit going on. And like you said kind of with brand to can brand time travel is the night king. It's like there's a lotta shit that we could go for like five hours and make an infrared video out of this ship. But it's like there's really no way to say. Yes, or not what scares me is that like for so long not to be redone. It was rooted in reality. But then they drop a scene like brand and ho Dorian where that was completely fucking fictional completely metaphysical you're trapped in two different worlds, two different times. And the reason he was saying this because of that, and and I feel like that was such a hit with people and that was such a big reveal for them. It scares me. They're gonna down that road more yet. Because I think that that was like people were like hold Budo. Holy should. And they like it because it's like a six cents type with twist, and I feel like they can take. Let's do more of that rather than just be like, no. As a bad bitch. Who's going to end up running things, you know? It's the right. It's the writers like slinging their Dicks. That's pretty much what it is. Yeah. Because they're probably some nerdy. You read these books in your fantasy type of fan to begin with on some level. They might wanna put that in there. They might wanna do something that hasn't been done before. And then you you run the risk of getting cute with it. That's why the fuck should have just finished books. Jetson right. You're punks. Mike just shaking his head over there. Because Mikey like read the books, and he was feeding for this shit. And I mean Eli's rereading the book. So you wanna talk about? Russia. I thought I was a bad at sixty seven six go and fuck fucking book. That's like a billion pages in a billion speed reader. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, how do you do that? We're just the only thing in life that you're doing what else can you possibly do it? You can't either you can't remove your brain elis elis checklist is like go viral on Twitter and read the books. Check check check. It's really credible. We also were talking like the time periods that they use are so outrageous necessary, like the fact that they just talk about the white walkers. I haven't been here in eight thousand years eight eight thousand what about you could've just said five hundred. Yeah. Right. Say five hundred eight thousand I was thinking like we were just talking about this. The pyramids were built in what twenty five hundred BC talking that was forty five hundred years ago. So to ex that is when the history we're talking about to go back that long. That's just crazy. I understand the whole thing is like, oh, it's it's become over time. We're and white walkers. It's been so long. No one believes in aliens that they built the pyramids. Guess what? Aliens built the fuck, computer. Yeah. Exactly in the fact that people like don't believe in the white walkers. It's just like the Ed so infuriating rachi to now that that's bad. You know that fucking killing people up there left tonight, you better believe in these payments. Why I mean, I thought John snow trying to go get a fucking white Walker to bring it back. As proof was the most like scatter brained fucking cockamamie ideas ever. But it was funny watching him be like, this doesn't matter. There's a fucking army of the Dan coming anybody. Listen to me, like, I guess I gotta go. Get fucking one of these things that show him and it still didn't work. Yes. He's still like nam gonna fucking kill. Everyone is my give me started on Johnson though. You know, I think John snow is the most overrated character. I think all the guys and people people accused me of just being like a hater or trying to be contrarian or AFC doing whatever I find, sir. C and the bad guys to be so much more compelling and so much more interesting like Jon snow is like your classic fucking. Like to good hero and then areas like Bama, bad ass. Oh, no, wait, I have morality check like, sir. See doing the shit that serves he does the winds of winter that seen as the greatest thing in the whole show. She to me is by far the most compelling, and that's why you know, especially after after Tony soprano, Walter weight and like anti heroes. Like, you know, and by no means, I don't think he's an anti hero this point. She's just a fucking billon. But I just find that to be so much more interesting. Yeah. My whole take and people before they ever always gets into it and fucking strives to shit on me on Twitter for this. Jon snow is good. I root for Johnson. It'd be crazy. Not concealing a blade boy. Boy, a blade. He's courageous hell, he's always taking risks. And he general he genuinely represents the IMF degree the side of good. However, he's boring as fuck he's very monotone whenever he gives speeches Benji. He's not convincing. He's not like rallying the troops in my opinion. When I'm turning on and watching I'm not ready to run through a wall. And he just fucking fails. All the time that he has to get bailed out by little finger in the battle of Bassett's gets killed by his own men. He comes up with this plan to go up north get the thing they fail miserably. I'm pretty sure my theory because the next book dragon, which I believe was just a setup because the fact of the Nike and all his crew just standing there when they could throw spears at all those guys and kill them. And they just wait for the drag kills dragged all that stuff. He gets that. Then when they do accomplish that kind of it's a fail. Anyways. Kasese give a fuck. So he's coming up all these plans. He fails all the time, which is drives me crazy and people HALE as like, he's the greatest character in the history of television, the history of anything like that. He's a dude. He's boring, you fails a lot, but I root for but he's not. Can't be like gushing over John has the character. John snow is like a guy you want. He's like David or you want your sister to town. Snow right. But but at the same point, he's just terrible militaristic mind comes to the politics or the actual battlefield where he got his fucking dick in the battle of the bastards until the knights of the Vale came. And I'm with you to like, I again, I know people think that you're you're a hater KFC. But it's like it is true. The proof is in the pudding. And I think that's Ned the that's he was raised by net. And he follows neds lead. He thinks. The guy with the past. Everybody always goes. Well, he's to story. That's awesome. Correct. That has nothing to do with him or his character. His storyline is great again. It's everything that's like not actually him is cool. His story is fascinating his place in history, and his bloodline all that is cool. But again, that's nothing to do with this character. Do you think song of ice and fire is John Danny or do you think it's white walkers and dragons, I think it's I think it's just John Jan Janis. A little bit of both. Star. Gary and Starks the whole thing comes down to John. I think John's that dude. Yep. John's that dude you do. Yes. I don't think the life too. So I'm like, I kinda give them a little magic going with him. Yeah. Yeah. But fucking sort of the other guy there they brought back to life. Sure. Yeah. He's much. He's very much now. The Laura lake cat that whole thing was like, I mean, there's so much this show. That's like that alone could be its own fucking show. Probably do that with the spin offs. But it's like, oh, yeah. There's there's the witch over there. And this guy can come back from the dead to lose a major things that just be owned also. Yeah. Yeah. We just don't have the time. They're really break. Those down, you know. Those are major book points. I'm sure. We've got to have it in the show on some level. But it's like a two minute thing. All subplot is major book stuff. Now, Mikey tell me how to say the name, right? The principles promise can never say the name. Right. I'll as a horror whatever I can never say it, right? I'll look it up. He just. So okay. Let's get into like where do we think this is going to begin and take off because the way the trailer makes it look like as we've got like a gigantic battle of winter fell right out of the gate. Yeah. I think they're gonna come in hot. I've heard the opposite from whispers of the premier that. It was just all setup. But I don't think you can trust anything you hear one way or the other don't believe a word of that. I think there's only I mean only six episodes. There's not a lot of time to dick around. So I wouldn't be surprised if they came in hot. I also though there is a lot to wrap up here. There's a lot to get through a lot to remind people of and what's hard is. You know, this show is still for the average fucking moron across the country. They keep that person in mind the little bit. So you got to remind me. Yeah. Even think about how many you know as dumb as we are. There's people are even dumber where things crew member this person. Like, I gotta like set the whole scene always say the previously odds if you don't want the episode spoiled you now because they like they beating like Benjamin back. He's going to be in the previous you're going to be like, oh, yeah. I know who he is. That is true just watch out for those previously. I hope they they fucked. You know, the cold opens where you're just like oh shit something. I hope he just had the cold open. You see theon soared through the fucking throat. And then let's go. We can roll that Twitter would be the happiest crew of the world. I I I don't mind the episode being set up. But like that I seen if they give us something like that. I'd be very satisfied with that Otit moment. And then let's get back to everything like really set it all up a mall good with that. But if there's any sort I'm going to be so critical of the show if there's any sort of Arias sweeping for any amount of time. I'm going to be like yo clock is fucking take. There's also a wasted line. And when you go about you're just talking about this vital berry when you go back, and listen or go back and watch the really aren't any wasted lines. And there are things that you probably thought were like this is stupid and a waste of time. And you realize it's probably like absolutely imperative. So maybe what what comes across as this is just filler or for setup is actually very important. I guess at this point, I should shut the fuck up and trust the fact that HBO and George Martin and these guys who write it know what they're doing and trust them. It's just hard. Like, I don't think the game of thrones has gotten such a reputation for a reason. And that is that they fucking deliver. They every time I can't see them going to year's off without getting episode. And then the first one back when they only have six to work with is just as news and the so the I I mean, I may blogs about run time to their show. That's like we're right now, we're looking at a set of notes, we clemmie cliff notes here broke it all down for us. So episode wants fifty four minutes episode fifty eight minutes, right? And then episode three which people are saying is the battle winner fell. I don't know if that's been confirmed. I think it is is an hour twenty two. So I could see those first to kind of being a recap. We're also should happen to think this world that we've lived in words, you know, Esso's and people in the north people in the south everything it's condensed now to it's basically as far north as I mean, we're south of the wall now because the white walkers south, and we're basically as far south as king's landing winner fill in the middle. The probably some other shit. We have your on coming all the way south. Let's health Dorn. No, like, I'm thinking, the white walkers are going to go on rampage. I think that the show is gonna let the white walkers have have their way. A little bit. And I'm wondering like how far they get like, what are they gonna take? And whereas the stronghold gonna be whereas your pin that they're going towards on Google maps. Right. And I think there's gonna see a road of fucking rampage before they meet Danny and John with with whatever forces. They rally up like what are thoughts on the the Nike generals motive, right? Like is it just pure kind of like like no direction carnage? Or is he like after one person is the after the throne would we think about the nycacc, what is one actual isn't that one of the ideas that like one of these babies is is something that he needs. Could it be the the song of ice and fire is Danny's baby with John? If there is a baby which everyone thinks it's going to happen. We've. Like medieval times, if you fuck you're pregnant. You of time so hard to get pregnant not back in the day. You fuck you pregnant, but the timing doesn't work where like he started his mission south a well before these other babies were conceived and get into this circular time travel shit where it's like that shit. I feel like he's one thing. I do like the idea that the mad king. Sam burn them all was some sort of brand wargin. I think is a cool like hold the door kind of thing. He was like trapped between two worlds new I have to burn all these white walkers. But you know, because he was all fucked in the head because of the the war gang. He ended up earning everybody the idea like maybe the mad king was actually looking out because he was told something and just executed incorrectly. That kind of stuff I can get down with. But the idea that just like, well, this guy already knew everything from back in the past back in the future because it's all circular time travel is like, well, I'm my brain just too small them that actually during the rewatch pick that up to it was I think the hold the door episode and hord is it's either that sort of the next where they really. Hammer on the mad king, burn them. All and I was like oh shit. This is really. So that was something I picked up on the road. Again. I don't trying to game of thrones trying to pick the weather. We you know, Ned stark will be ruling over very peaceful kingdom the last season played out the wave. It was going to be. I think they kinda laid it on thick that. If you wore for too long, you get stock get lost in the internet, man. We've all been there before you go to. Can't get yourself out branches in one big ass. You to choose whatever you wanna say. Scarier the one say. Tab like seven or eight of the double digits shit, you're drunk. I think that they're, you know, they're that that almost might be too popular theory that brand is the night king. But even if he is and that would make sense he worked for too long got stuck in the night king. But then it's like, why would brand beyond a fucking absolute warpath. Why's he killing everything in sight? What makes him like break bad? And just be like fuck everybody. I'm not buying into that. I just for whatever reason it seems too far fetched. And it would be like for me. It would be it would be too too heavy on the like fantasy too heavy on like always warning to all in. That's alternately. What determines the fate of like west coast? That's bullshit. And my opinion I needed to me like you said more tethered to like reality real relatable, motives, and and local things I would say that the white any white walkers whites white, walkers, whatever are just bloodthirsty like they just wanna kill and. Humans are like the moral compass that hopefully defeats like the ultimate evil. But if you get into like, the white walkers actually have some sort of political motive to or some shit like that like our or some rooted in reality type of thing other than just we kill whatever's in our path. I think it's real complicated. Gotta have something that can't be for fucking eight thousand years those guys showing up north and now all sudden their margin south or finding ways to lure guys in taking dragons on their side. There's gotta be they gotta give us some legitimate reason. No, I think I personally think they do. And I think because I think the whole thing that started with the white walkers is if you you know, when you see the first the Nike made is forest stuck during last minute, turn it up. And I think you know, because they were in a war against humans these fucking assholes that are again killing each other and slaughtering non stop. So whatever that motive was whether it's to kill everyone or to get to some certain point. That's what it's gonna come to. I don't think they're just like, let's just kill everyone. I think it's we have a motive, and we're going there and anyone's in our path, you know, then I king is C fastball hit fastball. Your your breathing your dead. He's saying. But they also can't eight thousand year while and that's I think why there on that island feel like they know that the white walkers can't travel water just going to hang out on this island. But this this is just like eight thousand year grudge match like all right time to go. Get the children of the men. Those mother fuckers some super Sakata shit. Coming up just looking. Serve very cold. We it some ruthless keta summers. And they Louis Saint Louis. You can't even play for trying to tear off. There aren't. Crazy shit. Those things are scared the end of the world ice spears and just fucking soda. You guys are doing they do have ice terrifies. Let's get Elliott in here and see where her little nerdy brain is at she. She was watching us. We did a swipe up promo and she was like Scoffing in the back being like these fucking dumb men over here. Don't know what they're talking about. I'm gonna have to come in here and says she's rate absolutely right hundred percent, right. So welcome in service, the yeah, you you have been built up as the the survey of barstool. So you have a big time big time. Yes. Swing around on that side. We let me let me just quickly. Get your thoughts on some of these larger ideas. Do you think that this show is still rooted in reality, and politics and backstabbing and all that shit, even though we've gone much more heavy on the magic in the dragons on the war. Ding, and the all that shit the past like season and a half. I think it has to be I think if we're not sticking to the original than what was the whole point of the show. Like, if it's like well now, there's every magic thing that's happening. And what other magic things we're gonna find out, obviously, it's a fantasy show fantasies part of it. But if you don't have it grounded in reality than why would we care about the show person will end up a human will end up ruling and sitting on the iron throne. Yes. My main thing with this. And I argued her with her on K about this. I just can't see a scenario where someone's like. Okay. You want? You're the king. I'll listen to you like we're all going to now you're just in control. It's just like this is going to the war just will continue to rage on. And that's what kind of leads me to think that it's going to end in like mass destruction either from the white walkers or otherwise because I can't see a scenario where someone just like. Okay. John's the king. I mean, I think enough people have to die that that will be like, all right? Yeah. There's no one else somebody has an idea for. How to rule us you go for it? I've that's where we're going to end up people have people have like been on the throne this whole time. Right. It's not like the phone has been this unobtainable thing that everyone's going after the Lancasters literally just been on the throne, and there's been many different people. And it hasn't matter. There's been better people. Nice people shitty. People like horrific people that have been on the throne while we've been watching this for seven seasons, and it just hasn't mattered who who's really on it. So it's crazy. Everyone's like this person deserves the this person's fighting for okay? They're going to sit down that thing. And everything's still going to be fucking chaos. The one person though in history that we've heard about at least that gets everyone in line is to do with the dragons that just kills all your people takes all your sorts puts them into a throne and goes all right now, I'm ruined or else. You're fucking. Hundreds and hundreds of years, then they started fucking each. Other people started going crazy already fucking each other. That's true. To fucking Johnstone's hot rather was kinda hot. They have like a good look to him. I got it. Totally. Legacy of game of thrones will be normalizing incest. How how powerful was the show. You had people rooting for relative. Fuck each other. I I guess if. If I would love for the land. I would I mean, I'm a guy through and through if the Lancers just kept control it just like where the warriors this shit like we don't lose. I we fought fought everyone's happened. But like the Lance none of winning. Back their families like fuck even Kevin's gone like even Kevin Little Kevin and Lance a lettuce. The blue. Right. The fuck. It's crazy me, and everyone has the theory that like like search easy ended up in the one that earned Jamie's going to be one. That kills Hersi. Like she's gonna fucking kill him. If anything. Yeah. Oh, she's gonna kill him. That's my theory. You know, we want will everyone is everyone's rooting clearly for him to kill her. And there's no way in my mind that they don't flip it because he's now turning he's becoming this good guy. Fucking scumbag who killed some kid in a cage is all of a sudden the guy that we root for and now they're just gonna rip it right away from us. And they're going to do it in the worst way possible. I think anybody who has a moral compass can't when the ship. Well, no. And I think like John is too soft and my mind Danny, oh, always falls back to being like, I want to be this like nice ruler. And I think Jamie is now like a good guy like anybody who shows that's weakness in this world. So to me, I I lean towards all bad guys of being like, I think the night king doesn't fuck de will never waver from his plan. I think I might be more ruthless than he is. I think certainly never wavers from our plan. I think those are the people that end up ruling in real life. I do think that's like what how did you rule a fucking kingdom? How you have an empire. You can give fuck you just murder motherfucker Tursi every time. She does something. She like grabs. It's like she takes the kingdom she close fest, and she just loses everything she loves he's lost all three of her kids, even Jamie's left her dad her whole families that even like she could have been fine just having Thomond and Marjorie and she's like, I don't wanna marry Lawrence. And I don't like that bitch Marjorie, and then she just completely wiped out the tyrel. And now she's in this shitty. Don't you think that someone who has absolutely nothing to lose? Exactly, whatever it takes she's backup either living in a different world where she thinks, you know, having the throne is the most important thing and your name doc- has now except there is a guy coming from the north with a whole army. That's coming south for her. So she's not looking at the big picture to fact that she saw it was like site laugh rocket. How would it be of the night? King has only mission is he just wants to fucking kill, sir. He comes out and at the thinking like man, it's over all these dead motherfuckers gonna rule and he just like grabs her by the throat chokes out. And then he's like, all right. I'm out of here. It would sheep in the show. But if you broke fourth wall, and like a, wink and then. Oh, yes. Big time. And he was like, honestly, I know much people guys the way I had to kill scared. The fuck outta me. Just switch gears for quick second the music Schick on the weekend and traffic, Scott. And that was all real now is that could be in the show or is that can be separate. It'll be featured on the show, but I better be like a. Yeah. The middle of my show. I hear the fucking weekend. I was just saying I will ruin my day. I couldn't even handle cheered for that one scene. Shit get outta here. I want to stay on track. I try to Scott they used to have like the rap album. Remember like way back when but that was in the show, you know. Shopping for fans, Scott is one fucking one degree separation from the dashing. I don't need that. That out there even the credits like the credit music does do something when there's when there's finance after the red wedding. And we were just like fucking dead or the I feel like the the rains academy was like every other episode season keys, they used it. And you're like, oh, this is fun. And then everyone's dead. I love it. The thing about the one thing I will say about the Jamie, Jamie CRC. And now even Tyrian thing is it's the whole Vallon core. Is that you save and it's the surveys hold Maggie, the frog she made that prediction all three kids shrouds gold. They're all going to die. The not gonna fuck. You basically banging everyone else in town. And then it's gonna younger clean while take your position with Marjorie. And then it's the little brother could not be chokes her out. So as Jamie who I think's like a couple of minutes younger it came out second or Tyrian who's a couple of thought it was Terry thought it was because he killed her mom as well. So that's why she's going to die that way. She's dying that way. It's just who's going to do it between those two. Is there another weird theory out there that could be someone else? But Tyrian we have to remember this tearing number. He goes any makes that packed with her, and he leaves, and you don't know what it was. And I forgot about this blog about instead of bog about this. And what would what what are we thinking hit me? Refresh me on the whole thing. So you remember in the end of season seven Tyrian has a meeting with sir where he realizes. She's pregnant. Yes. And then we don't see that whole meeting. We do not see the end of it. And then they come out and he's like I'm gonna fight for the north. But we don't know what actually happened and that was probably intentional that we didn't see that. Because a lot of people think that he made a deal with certainty that her baby would be next in line for the throne because generis couldn't have children he thought, and then, you know, on the boat seen when they're like boning, and then you see tearing and he's what's going on here. People think the reason he was looking at them like that is because shit I just made a deal that this baby of sees is going to be the next in line. What if they have a baby or we already come to agreement on this podcast at once you have sex in mealtimes your hundred totally pregnant, there's no way the wrong cycle. And you know, that's fucking. I would say seventy five percent of the time. You're fertile ashes out your stuff from lung get how. I don't understand how like we're talking about. Like just absolute mass murderer and people doing whatever it takes and all that shit. But if someone has a baby and there's like the bloodlines intact. Everyone respects that like fuck that noise. I mean, what the fuck were sort. I'm saying like, yeah, he's just lurking with like magic blood or whatever he's gonna have to do something. Even if Tyrian did make that pact the minute that he realizes that. I was like I don't give a fuck about these whites white walkers. He can't be hold onto this pact. Can't be standing there at the end. Like, it's like, oh, okay. So so half man promised that he'd be king for like the peasants like they don't give a fuck whose ruling, and they just want someone to tell them what to do. And then like the noble people. It's like is. It worth me fighting this person for everyone to die. If I fight this person being on the throne like I think, that's why a lot of people are just like fucking whoever's on the throne like that's who I'm gonna follow. So it does matter. Like, yeah. If someone was just like I'm going to be the king now and everyone's just like fine. That would happen that can happen really screwed again. Everywhere. I got enough. They got no saying. No. They have no voice. They just get fucked shit at, sir. See like, he's living his? Entertainment. Was the biggest win of the common man in gaming. So where shall what do you expect for episode one? You think they're going to come in hot with something? I think I think if they build up to and everyone's going to be like, okay. Like what where's this going? What's happening? I want them to come out and someone dies in the first episode on theon. Throws. I think you're on great joy is going to be a problem ban Marge era. What you see bad Marjorie on that? Yeah. I could see him doing some some ugly shit. Cocky, he's going to get killed because he's too cocky, also damage. I I I think he he is the he's going to be like the Ramsay Bolton almost like the person the villain. But he's not smart enough Grammy Bolton was clever. You're on the guy's a moron. One of my biggest gripes game of thrones. When they finally have that big meeting. They've brought the white down there. Everyone's sitting there in the net. Moron. Stands up and starts talking to the beginning of fact that somebody didn't shoot like a spear through in the middle of that. Like, I thought for sure there was going to happen because they they're all going to be. I do we're all on this other level. You're some. Right. That, sir. Sees using as a puppet, but for some clearly like, bigger smarter reason. I agree with you guys an idiot that that scene pissed me off. I couldn't believe they're letting that happen. I thought that was like an editor. I think because of that I think he's gonna be more like two caulking stupid to realize that he's fucking everything up like gonna think he's doing the right thing. Maybe he'll do some damage, but eventually everyone's like shut the fuck up to your stupid search told them to do that. She did. Yeah. Right. So now, he's going to go get the gold company. So it's like his ships said the islanders they're like Segel's fucking annoying. But in the end, they're not like a want. No part of them. I want. Yeah. What's her face? I I face again. That's that's there are certain TV shows where I actually hate the person not the character. Like, I hate that girl that actress I hater, I hate you. You suck the Yarra whatever your fucking name is you the worst. Would you? Call Yara probably. From the yard. I want to ruin every time the screen you ruin my glide understand the character you back. I mean now you like Dana from homeland. Yeah. Girl, I fucking hate that girl you'd be like you as a sister, like a wife, and whatever else you are in real life. I get you. At you. Will. I mean, one of the biggest things with final seasons and series. Finale are satisfying the viewers. Will we see a cla gain bowl? Fucking bad are better that batteries episode being three they don't that would be like it would have to be an intentional. Fuck you to the viewer. Needle. Name. People name their souls. Everybody wants. I mean, it's called the cla gain bowl. Like, it's been given a fucking name in pop culture. It's been so talked about I don't even care if it doesn't really make any sense just give me a ten minute scene where somebody wins that fight and underscore back to whatever else is important. And I'm one hundred percent convinced whoever wins getting killed three seconds later by aria. They're going to be critically wounded, and she'd be like someone's coming off my list that would be ideal. She liked burns them alive. I think they're gonna it'll happen. But I think it will happen in the midst of a battle or something I understand the anymore. Was come pouring out your count mouth and going to have to eat heavy fucking chicken in this room. Won't be. I don't think it will be this big O rebel. Everyone's watch cut to happen in the midst of a battle. It'll be epic. It'll be better or worse than trial by combat that was fucking sick was probably the coolest. I don't think you can get better. But they're so big and scary both of them. I feel like it's more evenly matched. Gruber full over lived in Seoul. And we haven't really like the mountain just dunks does like fucking free throw design on shit like whenever you don't do a lot. But when he does it it's three sixties from the free throw line. So I I do think there's going to be a little TV show, which which kind of said, I was gone that way the last few seasons where they're going to be a battle. And it's just gonna be them to somehow where he'll. Where? No one else. It also could be like a communist Maximus kill each other like mortally each other that I need to see it. You me any of the variations? You guys are said fine. But like, let's wrap that shit up. Let's put a ball on that one. The and by the way Vegas right now are the Cy I was on. How is minus four eighty right now? The heavy. Frankenstein. So, you know, it's it's it makes sense burns that motherfucker to kind of going back to rigs. Thank you now. Now kind of make sense now because he got fucking like for a toy. Can you imagine it fucking keys just bucking through shea into the fire because he took a fucking little. I could he's. He's been hitting a lot. He's been hitting big too. Mountain situation on your hands. Fucker in his place. Push someone in a buyer. Elliot. I noticed that your blog about the the mysterious like bonus episode that you're rooting for that. Of course, I'm reading pass, you know, why would you not? You talking about that would be the most gimmicky garbage finishing. Another episode. But then it's like episode six. I didn't even really know. What is that a dream? No, no. It can just be like you thought. So you know, like not so fast. My cordial your promise you right, now, the end the end of let's say episode six is the end which ninety nine percent likely is they will be like a moment where you think like, oh, all right. John one. And then there's another ten minutes and you're like oh shit. Maybe not it would just be like that. But in episode for but the way, okay? But the way that theory was presented the way that I read the blog was basically like the white walkers the night king wins. Everything's like destructed. And then also they're like, oh, there's a bonus episode where some more stuff happens gonna play out. I think that's too gimmicky. Want the other? I don't care how it goes. I want seven disagree with ingredients have that like. Israel, schedule a documentary. Air quoted the sit out of this can't see it documentary. It's like I mean, this is Elliot's probably little young for this. But remember on CD's read the hidden track? Like. Like. Track. Like twenty minutes. Long member CD's. I'm not eleven years old. You're comparing CDs to a game of thrones. Finale. The final episode at the I would go Ben Anna's for that. The only reason I don't want it to happen because it's now been spoiled for me. Surprise out there. But can you imagine sopranos if they had ran back screen goes dark, and then we then find out more everything I think it would. I think it would have been good. But again, you then you really need to hit that perfect. The other thing I will say about the episodes at first it's just six it seems like disappointing the first two less than an hour that seems as point when you really like the last four like an hour and twenty minutes with commercials a move. I know, but it's more about literally a move more about the weeks like the amount of there's only six chances to talk about it in during the week. You know, what I mean, there's only six events to allow this change my opinion on this theory. Whatever like, it's not to me, sixty minutes for eighty minutes. Whatever you're gonna have a whole lifetime to talk about coming hat scary. It's crazy that this is like, I I actually I feel for Ellie because you're fucking nerd, but I feel for Clem Clem has had a lot of ways. Yeah. In. The weeds. He's he's a half stay at home, dad, half parcel blogger which is literally the worst combination of light. It's like you're in the stressful world of our soul. But you also basically take your kids fulltime you lost porzingas probably for the better. Now, though you lost Beckham. Yup. And you're about to lose gate with roads. And don't forget this to the same weekend as battled winner fells week three. If that's what it is is a vendor's endgame comes out that. And the giants are going to pass on another quarterback. And I got manning for five years. So they deliver on this ship. They see I I would like it to be. I mean, I wish it was ten episodes episodes. But I would rather them have done an extra week with regular runtimes. Then long to me like I said, sixty minutes. Eight minutes ninety minutes. It doesn't it's still one night of Ewing to me. Interesting. See I I don't know. I get into when there's thrown just proven that like when they do do a movie length type thing they have like three climaxes. You know what I don't like is. If like a battle scene is like twenty minutes long. They're really cool and they deliver. But it's like if the extra hour, the extra twenty or thirty minutes is not about like, plot development, and backstabbing and all the shit that made the show great. If it's just like, you know, explosions and fights that's cool. But it doesn't I just hope they utilize those extra minutes the right way. I hope that there's the the continuity of full episode is needed for that our twenties, we could've just broke. Archy was famous for this. They would be like eighty minute episodes, and it was like with extra commercials and like one extra seen someone fucking. It was like stupid. You know what I mean? Now, not to put those shows on the same level. But I'm just saying if you're gonna if you're gonna make final seasonally, six episodes long and your excuses run times, it just it has like the batter went battle of winter fell. They like they show the the white walkers approaching and then they just cut to the morning, and they're just like white walkers over. Cleaning. They're playing good. They have hyped up. The battle of winter fell as the biggest scene shot. It's the biggest war seen six weeks or history like movies TV. Whatever is the biggest like undertaking ever as far as a battle scene. Go as long as the battle scenes aren't like just battling to be battlefields. Not elephant a lot of movies are kind of just like, okay? We got it their fight eight years to car chase or Stanford people dying. But like the battle of winter fell was actually visually interesting to watch like when they were like closing in on that you just got that a shot like John I'll watch that for an hour quarter was a big one about the bastards is a big one. I mean, anytime they usually have those they do deliver. But again, I just don't think it's as good as I mean, again, there's this show to me is not an action show or magical show. It's about the plot points and the interaction. So I hope there's more of that. Do you think the night king? So he's he's he's watched by the torment has to survive, right? Because we kind of see. Freezer trawlers. So he has to be alive. He's he's awesome. Do you think they have to NASCAR babies? Maybe it's gonna come out like three or half feet tall. Jamie walks into what's Jamie, walks in on them. I could. Those looks they give those looks looks to each other. No, I think they're brother sisterly, not the way he's with. Okay. All right. That makes sense. I think we got any good whites to like I want I want hold work. I'm back for all. You mother fuckers that we're talking about him. I want him to come back for hotel. We're definitely gonna get some good ones. Benji Benji could could come back right across the wall or he's like half dead. It's right. He says that whole there's rule so they like just be like. Kind change. Maybe he could be cute way. What are the rules on bench and can't cross over? That's why he doesn't come with brand down south because they dragging glass and his heart Toco. That's right. Okay. Yep. Yep. I don't know who died north of the wall. That's like interesting. But as they keep coming south like, you know, people are saying like, there's a we have a male question people in the winter fell will they come back to life. You know? And that's my question is like can they bring back like the Super Bowl skeletons like bring back everyone who's ever died in west roasts because we we're gonna it's Ned stark. Right. So it looks like Ned Stark's bones Jesus. Well, if he's even dead, which you never know I read that theory to Ned stark is not Dead Sea that shit fucking head off. Five times face. I remember I can't do any sort of swap amount. I if that is any sort of loophole little fingers alive. Fucking Ned stark is alive if anybody's they've only utilized that a little bit and. At least one from this. I'd sounds like it with everybody talking about these things. I don't like that at all. I agree. It's a loophole. It's I wanna you can't just all of a sudden introduce this thing where whoever dies. Oh, it could have been anybody. I'm with you. I hate to face. Let me just say before we get into questions here from the fans the complete polar opposite of Yarra. And the actress dynamic where hater is Sophie Turner in stark, I don't really care for the star character. So Turner is like the coolest girl in the world. I called her the Queen of barstool when she chugged at the ranger game nothing but become like, that's great. That's like like low on her list of cool at this point. She's state body shots. And like hanging out Jonas brothers are a force to be reckoned with now if the world was was house thrones house fucking Jonas would be taking over those guys are awesome right now. Power housewives powerhouse brothers, just hanging out drink and play music. That's my kind of Soviet-era. So this radio. She is veteran after the capitals won the. Filming and she's just doing a fucking tour. She's porn potty shots. She gel so and and he's she's spoiled it for him that she she said that she was like I couldn't keep it in. And I had to tell somebody. Yes. Yeah. So that's my question. If you were working on it or new right now, would you tell so? Yeah. Significant would be I've we've been my Mark on history. I'm going to be the window. Wouldn't do that? But I would I would never tweet it. But I'd be the guy that like every single person I went out to the bar with like a month. All right. I haven't told anybody else this happens eventually. I would be the most guy like as we watched the finale, and I was picking up on things. I'd be like that's important. When I watch it now with my friends who've never seen it, and I'm like pay attention, really important. On their phone and someone's dropping import line. Like, you say this is important to every single moment. Every moment, Florida. Words on this shoot up. I forgot to how intensive like real time. Thrones watching is because you gotta get it on the Twitter game. Otherwise, it's like opportunity costs like you're losing out on a million engagements. If you're not tweeting during the show, and you wanna watch it. So you want to put your phone down. But it's something big happens. And you gotta like tweet about while. I watch off off it's kind of a bad notes on the shit during now we. I'm concerned about watching just watching it here being around other people. Usually, I'm like, you know, on my couch like set with everything I need food snacks, whatever like good to go a hotel here in New York that's doing like a Lancaster room that like they set you up with like Firth rose and like Goblets and shit and wash banners, and they can watch the show there. I feel like we should. That party. So. Yeah. Go and stand, sir. C with a bunch of fucking Lantis fans. Go read and. In my book. Haircut. I'll do the whole nine magic all these videos. Go viral of everyone crying some awesome, hurler figured out. And then there's the Kevin bar ruins. Yeah. We should see we should have been on this. We should've had we should have done this idea rent rooms all over the fucking city, and you go represent your loser. Loser. Good guys. And I'll be represented the compelling bad guys fucking grand wagon team, your Vikram guy, everyone. Brandon Sansa I'll buy all the stock is it's never the person you think's going to win personally most medium, medium suspect. So it's not even that you're rooting for. It's just that that you're just trying to out think everybody else now. Now, I've just it's like, you know, you always have to like get your guy. And then you have to just kinda just wanna even funny you say that because I'm looking here at the odds before those rule west throws at the end of game thrown right in the middle right in the middle. Who you meet him suspect, sir? She lancaster. Got plus twenty five hundred literally almost smack in the middle. It's jamie. So I'll probably end up winning and getting right and has the best odds who wrote this. This is the thing about brand this is I think this is odd. Shark plan. If you believe the theory that he's the night king. It's basically the night kings. He's a fucking the only computer in west rose and knows everything. Wifi. Conquer the world like Kelly. Okay. See Rato's would like just a phone. Phone. Yeah. Right. We're gonna hop into part to answer your questions, your submissions. We had some good ones here. And I think it's only gonna we're gonna have this open all season long because we have a lot of questions, and we're kind of terrified and you guys you guys kind of in the same boat. All right. Let's do some of these questions here Clem opened up the the mailbag where where can people which which mail bag is that this this Email blog guess, we'll put it in the blogs for all this shit. Okay. Well, let's put walls. Together, we can do a mailbox to we'll do like a, you know. Jimmy starts us off. Do you think anything's in come from the gender Barath? Ian connection. Why else would they bring back this random character that little fuckers lurking? And the only thing I think will matter with him as if you believe in the idea that like kings blood has magic because otherwise I think he'll just get killed like, so it's like, oh, you're possible threat that that is he's he has no backing is like, you know, a mellow, Sandra. You know, she burned Charene, and then John the worst seen in the whole really is that Geragos his skinny chopped off those grossed I was tough to. Dine scream for her. Parents. However, John comes back potentially because to give life you must have death. So she brings John back if this, and that, you know, thinking checks out, then I was kind of important like without Charene dying and John's dead, then we're are we right now. The show's over night kings running Nitra is gonna king run train on us. Anyway, nitrate nitrate. I always do. T shirt. Just a fucking dead. Ashtray is. Is your? Those trains. Curling through the white face terrified face and blue is coming steaming through Thomas the train like steam Songo. I always look injury was the Russians from sopranos when he just disappears. You just like this guy's not coming back. Any case? I think for him. My buddy said this to the way him in aria have that dynamic and Robert had the dynamic with Ned sister. And I think that this could be the pairing that Robert wanted with Lana Eliana down there. That's beautiful beautiful. Right. So I kinda so you think aria and Kendrick get together on the throne clinging clean now or just end up. I do think they will. Okay. Maybe we'll make out scene. I heard that don't away with. This was in the books are in the show, but Gandhi's like a person he apprenticed for was the person that figured out how to sort of rework Valerian steel and still if gunnery knows how to do that. And that's important for the battle. Okay. So there's just have to be so. So yeah, I know how to create the weapons. White walkers. Larry and seal. Fire question. How many white walkers? Do we think through our white lockers like whites white walkers? Well, okay, I read something where there's like a hundred of them. But we only see like fifteen so I don't like horsemen that are like the those four guys, right? Like overlooking. So I thought there was four like white walkers would have to rely all the also don't like the gimmick. Like, I think gimmicky that like if you kill the Nike everybody dies. No. I love that. You have no chance, I know. But like to just then it also just ruins like all their strength in numbers. I dunno. It's like. Defeatable? But I also just like if there's something where just like we pick them up with a spear. And every is I'm going to be feeling that's a cheap. It'll have I understand. I agree with you that could be stupid. I don't ever let that happen. And it's just like if you're gonna present something that's so ferocious and like you can't overcome it. Then you have to find some loophole to take him down. Otherwise. I mean that army is outrageous giants, they've got dragons fucking polar bears bullshit, come into spiders. I want them. Spite a fighter can't hear about all these spiders, and they don't show. What about? Earlier. The other army. I was just I was just watching man has elephants. Yes. May we wanna see some white Walker? More than anything. Swinging like blue blue toss. Well, they're already dead. I guess do you think slash whole others. Do you think slash hope? The white walkers will be defeated by the end of the battle winter file that would be a hell of a twist drop on our asses. I just think that's going to happen. And then the show will get back to what it's really about the politics figure out. I think I think the white walkers should win or they should be checked out before the finale, that's where we figure out what the night kings actual motivation is like 'cause like, I don't know. I think it's boring. If his motivation is just as wanna kill everybody. Release something we want for believers real voted. What I I also like what that's very that's a very touchy like you have to do that. Right. Like if there's an eight thousand year quest for something. That's like not that good. Or like what what is it that he wants that people are going to be like, oh, I get it that it's worth like all of this. That's you. Here's a big reason responsible right now. Here's a big reason. I don't believe the white walkers are going to be like eliminated before the final couple of shows is because when you go back and rewatch the first scene of the entire series and episode one are the white walkers. And so like, you legitimately cannot have a situation where they're like if you start with them if you look at like lost when they start which actually like is is open. They close with that. It would be very difficult for me to imagine that they don't like somehow include them all the way to the end. Yeah. But I do like the idea that like we like you said we can get back to the nuts and bolts of the politics and the power struggle. He wants I read a theory that if it's brand or if it's just another stark or something the he just wants to go to winter fell diet winter Faust, he doesn't have to be burdened by being the night king anymore. And then somebody else has to become the night king and lead the whites back on the wall. Retiring retire brand. He just wants to die at home. Like he just wants to be with his family in the start winter. There are other ways to just rip apart the entire world to go home. Just go walk home. Literally can't go past the wall. They blocked his own home from him how fucked him and how. He he he would die by you know, like someone stabbing with dragging last like, that's that would be. Foul and whatever side by cop. Like winter fells, always warm. They say the winter could be the dragon. The winter is coming. There's a dragon under winter Phil maybe he goes down there. That's just fucking man cave. He just always on the TV calls it a fucking. I'm fucking internet. They can go home with the night train. Go to the station on games tools. Fuck is pro Nike. I will say this Trent said this from day. What are the night? King is king the good guy. And you think it's literally all the bad shit. That's happened in the show for the most part has been the living doing it to the other living the red wedding was done by living people all this shit. Viper. Killed by living person. They killed a few people here and there, but they were just in the way there's a quote in the book, I think that's like the hero. Does the hero is depends on the perspective like their heroes on both sides of the war. If that makes sense is he the hero of their side of the war. And you don't know what's up. There was like sacrificing those babies like one off to them like those. I can't those babies important blonde. Did the hundred white walkers talking about those are all those special white walkers because of what the? But isn't that the only way that we know that they currently like create more white walkers? Right. So I got him whites. Whites you die by walkie become a white. But if you you create these these babies, they become, and that's believe is that the only way we've seen them he made outside of the Nike was originally created. And then cast got killed in the Christ. So there's no more except for SAM's or Gillies kid. That's the last one. Oh, that's right. Maybe going for that possible. They want that one that they always balance out fire magic. So they only appeared once Danny's dragons were born. So they always has to be an equilibrium of maybe it's just a versus drill and kill the dragons. And then we'll go it'd be a hell of a risk. We'll see kill all them. And then just nothing happens. That book correctly, a three dragon three dragon riders like battle scene John's king on their respective dragons just like having a fucking dogfight in the air. Oh, yeah. What are we doing? This show. That just has to occur at some point. You want one of those characters to die. I was gonna say something. You can't have that just was ragging has to be taken out, which I think means one of those persons people have to be taken out, but we knew that. Sean or Danny has to die one of them will die. I heard that everybody's out. But some backstabbing not just a valiant fight. I want John's Danny or ill kill John. If any something like that. I'm gonna go the route. Awesome. See in love and be happy. But. The one thing we know that Georgia are Martin said is that it's going to be bittersweet. But that can mean such a right? And it's like, well, what is bitter media George Martin what you speak Georgia are fucking warped, bro. Had. No. So yeah. I part of me thought I've gone all over the map me thought. Like, there's really no discernible reason why this undid army of massive portions should should lose. So like if we're keeping it real and keeping like with very dark themes. I think that they should just roll. But then I thought, you know, this show is rooted in like, political, whatever so it should be a human that. I went back to the past season and a half has become very heavy on the magic. But. If if there's any sort of bittersweet, that's not like people have to die somebody on here is like like, I think multiple major people because like I said the only way that the people will just be like, okay, you're on the throne is if the other major players who are vying for our gonorrhea almost all the major people have not except for whoever sits on it except for like a couple people. You know? I mean, it's will -tarian through the end of the departed. So we have a dull in the last five minutes of the final episode. We have a death pool. Guest the throne dot com. If you guys go there sign up, it's the group. Name is house barstool. We'll give a free t shirt to the one of the old barstool prize. It's been the booby prize forever. Here are still since I always play, man. Yeah. Def breaking bad was great. We've done it with a bunch of other ones. They're they're very fun. Very easy to get involved with day. They just put your picks in you have until the season premier night, then it locks in for the whole season, and we'll have standings, and whatever will go throughout the thing. So we'll go down you want to go down the list here. Do we want to talk about who we want to we think will rattle? Okay. Jon snow. Liberty dead. It depends on if deniro's lizard is. Yes. So what do you think? I'm John Livingstone already, Danny? Yeah. Because you already. He has come back. Hard to kill kill kill Margaret compound. Down though. Yeah. Danny Danny Tei alive live. So you're going doubling both alive. I don't know who's going to die yet. I don't know. It's gonna be one of the two. I don't know what someone is gonna live. She goes bad. I think she finally gives into this idea that she can't she can't be like a benevolent ruler. And she just runs shit with dragon's. I agree. I think the whole targe area things going to be a little bit monkey wrench in it. Or whatever that phrase goes. I do think the whole flaming sword. And all that stuff light bringer light bringer. I think that is being buried deep within Danny and her unborn child could be fucked up seeing because that's what the show gives us, and whether she's in the fire and shape, the burner whatever and John kills Danny to to become the realm and starts killing some king. That's the president's promised. Yes. Next up aria Tyrian tearing next up. You don't hate doesn't like Tyrian. Oh, that's come on. That was a like a lot of weird things on TV shows. But not liking Terry crazy. He's the most likable guy like ever on TV pick 'em apart. Like, I think he's a crafty little fucker who like he'll be the right hand of whoever ends up on top probably my favorite character. Does that to me gut wrenching? I think. Why does this hurting me too much to talk about I don't like any of them dying? Better. If like a lot of them die versus like, it just doesn't make it. Slaughter roic death. But I yeah, I think all the Lancasters are hitting his skids aria. She's a survivor, but I think she will die to once you go that dark in these shows you very seldom like are just like a cold blooded. She almost like should die like she gets her list done. And then it's setting. She's going to have maybe some sort of Harare. She knows she's dying to. Yeah. Dead. I think everybody. No, that's not true. He's alive in my book certainty that so dad's thirsty, I think her like she was like minus two hundred nine it was basically when she going to die how they laid it up how breaks my heart. But yes. What I want to happen gonna happen. Very childbirth. Maybe if the time moves that fast, and that could be the theory 'cause it's Jamie's kid that kills the prophecy. Like, she has a whole prophecy. We're gonna guess her and this show, they always come true. Everything's come through in the prophecy. Right. All right, next up is Santa sunset. So she lives. She lives. She's she's she's a survivor. She lives. I know you want her to die. She's like you've one stark goes like, they're all gonna go. Like, I feel like if John is going to rule if John ends up winning. I could see all the star surviving, and it's kind of feel good story. If if like John doesn't make it. I don't think any Starks make it I think Sansa learned from learned survival from little finger. She learned from service you learned from Ramsey that gives her an edge over the rest of the starts brand. Who's a supercomputer? I think she's had a miserable life, but she's done it by surviving. And I think that's that's gonna continue brand. Like, it's brand even alive. That's. Another question died beyond the wall like us like brand. I I will say we'll continue to exist. Whatever life, death, whatever he will be existence amount wasn't even listed in the death dead brands kind of that. But just like many. Yeah, I'm, but I would say I think will die. I think the mountain will be sufficiently debt, not ambi-. No, nothing. This is interesting. Various because I don't know what the guys he's going to betray the wrong person. Do the wrong thing is going to burn him alive. I think and my rewatch he just like pled beg, basically said, I swear I won't do wrong. But various hates the fuck outta magic. And there ain't much magical than to dragons. Danny and he hates, Danny. He had hurt setup to get killed but waiting around. Schemer in a scam or two though, I think those guys find ways to cockroaches, those people survive in your life the corporate America rain works now winning. Their own, and it's always usually pretty vicious, and I think he's surrounded by too much like darkness. I think he's done. He's brokered too many deals too. Many people all gonna harder across the middle. Finger got his various we'll get his too many wines cross. He's. So my know he's best like, the voice of the delivery is also those roads are sick. If I rose to the office. Start carry my arms like yeah. That's so my dick off everything's yes. Every me to everything sounds like everything seems like your genius schemer. When you hold your hand, you speak in riddles. Dave, I should have this weekend off spider. Don't talk to the spider my little bird little bird. Jamie, lancaster. I don't know what the FOX happening. I want him to live gonna die once Lantis shows like being good inside. His just a. Definitely think all these people are going to be Thomas that was my favorite. I'm not rooting for it. I think he's dead. Anybody who shows like a good side is going to be like weakened gerbil gonna have a chance that kills Hersi and he's going to hesitate and she's gonna kill Sirs killing Jamie Jamie because he's not going to bring himself to do it. All right. The gray. Joyce there. Easily kill them in real life. So they can't be on the show. Now, I will say this awesome. If they have like, unfortunately, we had to kill out their characters because none of them are alive anymore. That's pucci. Archie died back to his home plan. Don't worry about the he's dead. No, you're on the bad. That's in the book. So right because you've been shitting on it. But I heard he's really he has like a fucking horn that can control dragons. He's a lot in the books, really. Big deal on that. All right. Speaking of people can just lump together. Sam Geli other fine. They'll be fine. Sam's gonna survive. He's George he's right on the store. Nerd nerdy guy that you know. I could see a very corny like hap like the very very end. Like, the very last scene is like him fucking writing down some note like writing the story out with the baby and they fade to a sons. They're on like a sailboat like Seth calling. Yeah. Seven episode bomb by trap. Exactly. Brianna tar. Live. No, yes. She'll let that tighter. Yeah. I genuinely I don't think she's tough lady cer- actual. She'll Jamie will die in her arms. You know, a lot of people in the show debt Davos. Do the young Knight. Yeah. We love him nights like top three favorite cats, actually, depressing me so much. I can't have almost alive. I don't really have any any idea. Why I think he's a lot on that one? Abbas? I think I'm indifferent. Like, I. Some sort of a showdown I could see that happening with them because they've had some history is just saying she says that Russia was like I've seen my dial die in the strange country kinda sick monsters. Thank you. If if we can get some more smoke coming out Acuras pussy, we're we're working with fireworks. We're we're we're we're cooking with gas. I also I said alive eggs, I felt like I needed to. It's like when you're in the sketch, right? Like, I gotta mix in a be here somewhere. One hundred percent, right. Can't all be every sale. And this gives us a couple more clouds. Go more the hound. We've already think everyone's dead beats the mountain, but then dies. Yeah. The both in my opinion Brun panel if he slippery I could see him being like a, you know, ride off into the sunset kinda guy to like. Yeah. Casserly. Rock bronze getting cash. There's a fucking dead. Gandhari? Kenji enti will live he's beautiful. And he deserves that. Haapai? He'll be fine. So over it. No, no. That's that's pod. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pies the little chubby, dude. I hate Haapai. He's like the internet darling right now, I've I've just never he called shit to aria back in the day. Like, I don't forget long. He's on your list. No, I don't like him. But I I don't think they'll kill them off. That's like driving out of your way to hit the person do which I would love to see. Opening scene of the first episode. He's like cooking make new pie in the night. King kills them Nike like the spear that missed the other dragon hits them. Like two days later. At least then I king does making die. Yeah. Yes. Please god. Yes. George. I mean, that's that's the answer kick. It's going to have a good ending or. If it's going to be I think this ends in darkness and misery. And so I think night king to win. I'm gonna say. Yes. I think was supposed to be disagreeing with you on everything. But I feel like I agreed with all your takes. Let's go. We're all making done. All right. It's got to do it. Fuck you Ellie. Always set of before. I've said it I'll say Bolton. Bolton line is going to be everyone's going to say it afterwards when he says if you think this has happy ending you have been paying attention. I think when it's all said and done we're gonna point to that scene. I'm gonna go George was telling us he was trying to let us know Ramsey told us, so it's going to be night king. But with some sort of brand twist that it's like he killed all these people and he's sitting atop it. But he had some sort of motivations. Maybe a little anti hero type shit. Do we think there's a cold open on Sunday? Hope I hope. Like, the call up and then just finish his are within soggy. And you're just like. I want that opening theme like doublet like lupin run it twice this let that that music. Start to bump and let us get book. Cooking. I think I think they will come in hot with with something to grip you right away. Someone's gonna die. In the first minute be author going to give you enough just to keep you. I think the first episodes aren't going to be there flashback, maybe showing something very opened up kings motivations. I think that would be a big. Good. I t's that. If they're gonna show the night kings motivations. Why don't you open up with a flash back when he was created? And you understand why is going on. And then maybe that that would make the white walkers much less like these are zombie bad guys and maybe not sympathetic characters. But maybe you could be like, oh what's going on if effect? Yeah. Right. If that call over is like the Nike sitting in like a cabin drinking some wine with the boys, sir scene. Yeah. Going down to. Boy kills. He's like, let's get one of those fucking dragon. We're going south. We'll be back on. All right. So. That's it for episode one here obviously episode one of the season is this Sunday. And we'll run it back. It'll be out Monday morning. We'll record it Sunday nights. After we all watch will probably film ourselves watching not electric chair style not live because no one wants to watch that. But if there are any like crazy reactions, hopefully, we'll capture those we'll be taking your emails, which all set up the mailbox. So we'll set up that that's like a mailbox for everybody. Ask questions. We'll always do questions at the second half the episode will work in everybody from the office who hasn't thoughts, and we'll be here to to ride with you for the final season. Let's go episode. One of games tools. Graphing up clam. You ready baby. 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Game of Thrones: A Song of Food and Drink

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Game of Thrones: A Song of Food and Drink

"In today's episode is brought to you by arm and hammer, I love my cats. Well, they're my roommates cats, but one of them the gray one adopted me, and it is the literal best part of my day. When he wakes me up an hour before my alarm to demand, snuggles and scratches and make sharp sharp biscuits on me. And then wash himself vigorously before falling asleep on my feet when he finally settles down. He he does this little old man SAI like the tiniest engine winding down. All I know what I don't love is cleaning up gray cats litterbox, which is why Armand hammer created new cloud control litter. There's no cloud and Asti is when I scoop it's one hundred percent dust free free of heavy perfumes and helps reduce airborne dander from scooping. So what happens in the litterbox stays in the litterbox, new cloud control cat litter by Armand hammer or power to you. Hello. And welcome to save. Her prediction of iheartradio and stuff media. I'm Anne, and I'm Laurin Vogel bomb and today, we're talking about the food of game of thrones. And or a song of ice and fire and over. Yeah. That's the title of the book series that the TV series is based on. Yes. It is. It's been a long time since we've done a fictional foods. Yeah. Yeah. It was at the time was ni- especially because as we record this game of thrones is in its final season. Indeed, it is indeed it is. But who knows when you're listening? We we had to decide on which geek avenue to pursue. Because we just did a Sharma episode for the vendors, which I am seeing tonight. And I can't believe how excited I am. Like, it's the pricing even me nervous excited while you're so nervous right now is okay. And we're like let's do a fictional foods. Because we haven't done one in forever is ending. Let's do that. But also Star Wars. Yeah. The forest, but then you Lauren excellent point that Star Wars is not going away. Need time soon, Dr wears attornal? Yeah. Gave his ending at least in its current popularity the books, you know, oh, share may. Or may not ever come out. May or may not all true. And if some of your groaning. Because I I do have some friends that are very tired of game of thrones. Because of the over saturation the excitement oh sharing, especially if you're not a fan of the series, right? Yeah. I was saying never fear. I am a fan light would describe myself. I really enjoy it. But I'm kind of generally confused. And we are purportedly a food and drink podcast of the plenty of nursery. But you know, not too much. I mean, well didn't drink nursery. Yes. Yes. And I got into game of thrones. Because of the co workers here Tyler from our dean D campaign. He was super into it. And he accidentally spoiled the season finale season one for wow, feels really bad about it. I didn't care. I was like who's that? What I was worth surprised at the the actor. But yeah, he felt bad. And he used to show them on a he had a projector and every Sunday would get together. And. Yeah. And then on Mondays Paul decades a couple of other people they would reenact it, and he's a really good John snow and fresh so good. And so I I was like, well, I guess I gotta get on this. I've never seen that. Oh, okay. Special request that like a right now, it's back in this video cave redo. You're saying. Out in the light. I miss everything. I do. I am currently watching it with a different group of co-workers. And it's fun because we all are kind of generally confused, like we know what's going on. But you know, every now and then not exactly in your like who the heck show know. And I spent the first three or four seasons thinking Castlerock was a person and wondering when he or she finally arrive. It is the place. Get me like who is cast. I also wanna like soft point out that it's castor Lee rock not. Definitely not Castellini rock. I thought it was Castelli. Yeah. No. I think it's the I don't know what accent that is that they do I it's some kind of British, but it certainly made up because I mean, I don't know. It's they all they all kind of do what they want in terms of accents, true true story. So that's kind of that's kind of where I hate you. Lauren. Well, I I started reading the book series in college. It must have been like two thousand and three or so so like the third book was out, but it would be another couple of years before the fourth and like ten billion years before the fifth, and and I and I wanna put in here that I am ribbing on the author George r Martin infamously slow publishing schedule, but I'm doing so fondly as no less than Neil Gaiman, famous author once said in a blog post, George r r Martin is not your oh. And he can publish his books or not whenever he wants to show. That is true calm down. Anyway. Yes. Hi, I'm a nerd I was like hooked on the book series so excited when the TV series started coming out, and I've been following breathlessly the entire time like it is problematic as heck, and like increasingly ridiculous, and the dialogue is going downhill so fast, and and I love every single minute of it. Yeah. I've grown to like it more and more. And I think it's because it has become this kind of cultural thing, and I just I enjoyed the social aspect of discussing it making fun of it and trying to figure out who is Mia theories applying theories upon he's also just like the production design is so gorgeous did the the costumes and the food styling. Yes, yes. And we're going to talk about that some in a little bit. I wanted to include this bit here. I found an article from vulture headlined is game of thrones. The last show we'll watch together marks the end of the year of television as an epic communal journey. So that's kind of what I feel like I am experiencing an inch strange at this end of injuries, which is kind of a similar communal journey aspects are happening at the same time. And if you're interested the article argues, it has to do with social media the difference of binging on Netflix versus like all arriving at the shocking moments. Yeah, same time. And that we all feel like we watch it, even if we don't. Because you see it on social media. Like, maybe you watch slightly Jones used to do those those Wadi Maroons. Oh, good. They were so beautiful Leslie Jones your beautiful imperfect. And I miss you on Twitter. I understand, but I miss you. Yeah. He's still does them sometimes on Seth Meyers. Yeah. But yeah. So even if you don't watch it, you probably are aware of some of the big cultural like points of it. Oh, sure. Yes. I and the recent premier juice seventeen million viewers. They showed it at a local theatre they screamed it for free there several bars here with no strict no talking follows. Yes. Yes. And before HBO crack down on piracy. It was the most legally downloaded show it might still be. But it's like not that the same numbers showing at once was but all of this to bring us to our question game of thrones, food, and drinks. Well game thrones is a TV series based on a book series called a song of ice and fire. The books written by George r Martin started coming out in nineteen Ninety-six and the TV series followed starting in twenty seven the series sort of shifts from low fantasy meaning no magic to a high fantasy meaning like Hella magic over the course and is set in a fantasy world largely patterned on medieval, Europe, and Eurasia. And it's got a lot of food in it. Yes. This is a good series when it comes to discussing food, and drinks, and you made a point Lauren that a lot of the big things happen over feast. And of course, Tyrians aka Peter Dingle Jr's character famous line, I drink, and I know thinks that's what I do. I drink, and I know things. Yeah. I realized one day that like that's actually my job to drink into no things. You're just like Terry. Although I know that a lot of a lot of humans probably self associate with that line as well. Yeah. So many key points in the series are bent around food and drink from the very first feast that the Starks throw for Robert breath, Ian and his entourage. That's one of the first seems in the first book and and show. Yeah. You've got the red wedding, the purple wedding, deniro's wine merchant in vast authentic, sir. Davos is the onion Knight the end at the crossroads of which serves a lot of food is where like sixty percent of the important things in this series happen. That's not a precise number. I haven't counted. But like I'm rough rough guestimate so many alcohol IX, so many drink poisonings. Yeah. The book includes the books include a lot of very intense descriptions about food so much. So that George r r Martin has been called out for writing food porn. Oh, yeah. Again, vulture has a list of ten times, George r r Martin described food more radically than sex because as they say in this article, if you're a fan of the show, but haven't read the song of ice and fire books, you may not know this, but they're actually not a medieval inspired political drama their food erotica. My goodness. Oh, goodness. And yes, so they listed a bunch of their their favorite examples at this sort of thing and one of the ones they picked out is from a feast in a in a clash of kings. I forget which book that is I'm sorry. I know you monster. But. You don't have to write an remind me I could Google that. But I just didn't right now. Okay. So the quote. Of food. There was plenty the war had not touched the fabled bounty of high garden whilst singers sang in tumblers tumbled. They began with payers, poached and wine and went onto tiny slavery fish rolled in salt and cooked crisp and coupon stuffed with onions and mushrooms. They were great loaves of Brown bread. Mounds of turnips and sweet corn and peas events hymns rose to Giessen trenches dripping full of venison stewed with beef and barley for the sweet Lord Caswell servants brought down trays of pastries from his castle. Kitchens cream swans at spun sugar unicorns lemon cakes shape of roses spice tiny, biscuits and blackberry tarts, apple crisps, and reels of buttery cheese. And that that happens all the time. Like, I feel like it's like continually throughout the series. That is I mean, that's just one. That's not the only one. Wow, constant. Oh, it's it's it's really it's really lavish and beautiful. But but yeah. On on the show to just like checkout. How often food and drink is either consumed or as part of these lavish set dressings thirsty. Tyrian dang always have a wine goblet in hand just about every scene in the boozy castle in king's landing includes like tower of fruit that in medieval times would have cost like my car, right? Yeah. So so many conversations happen over meals. Like, I start to wonder like in the writer's room. If there ever just going like F, this is eight pages of straight dialogue. We need something for visual interest who has a to flip long hallway or dinner, right. Yeah. Yeah. I re-. I read some articles about it. And how they how much thought went into depending on the setting of like, what would they have available colors to like all of this thought went into it. And speaking of there isn't official cookbook with Georgia Martin himself involved. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote a forward for it. But the meat. Book it started. As this nerd recipe blog started by two fans Chelsea Monroe castle and Syrian lair her since April of twenty eleven as far as I can tell they'd been keeping a blog at in at the crossroads dot com. The first posted recipe on there is for Santa's favorite treat, lemon cakes. That starting date is kind of uncertain because they had to take some stuff down from the site upon the ultimate publication of the book. But anyway, yeah, they base their recipes on historical recipes historical earth recipes apparently Elizabethan era texts and along with some like some like ancient Roman stuff. But sometimes also often a second take on a dish. That's more fit for modern, tastes and ingredients in technology, and they they really have their work cut out for them in the books in general Merton employs this really interesting combination of like historically researched objects and terms plus actual magic. Plus a blend of what would be an acronyms if the setting was earth, and there was no magic involved like at the very base of the food issue here. The way that the seasons work in in the world of the series of a key plot device is that the summers and winters each last for years. So it winter's coming so winter's coming. Yeah. And that setup is like explicitly, not what most plants and animals that we humans use for food would be able to survive through ever like an even frozen foods will go off after like three or four years, and then you're down to well preserved goods and earth. Humans didn't invent really great canning technology until after Napoleon Bonaparte offered a prize to whoever could figure out how to better preserve food for soldiers in seventeen ninety five at which point we also had muskets and steam engines, which was a very different world from that of game of thrones. Yeah. Like like Martin loosely basis west rose on England circa the war of the roses in the mid to late fourteen hundreds so problem. Problem. But yeah, so yes and building off of that very basic base of the seasons being so screwed you. You've just got food supply chaos in this world and Martin seems completely unconcerned with explaining it, which I love. Because just like, yeah. Whatever. But you know, I mean dragons an ice Dombi exists there. So I guess whatever foods and dishes. You wanna put in our possible to maybe the plants are really good at surviving frost. I I don't know. That's the thing about a magical world. Who big struck gestures gesture, and I found what I was researching into this. And I can't believe I didn't run into this. When we were researching our Lord of the rings episode, but there's a controversial tomato see in Peter Jackson, Florida the rings movie. And this has to do with the avoidance of new world crops, like tomatoes and tobacco and potatoes. In the books. I believe something was even republished to take tomatoes out. Oh, wow. In Lord of the rings. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because he he did try to explain it. And then people were like, whoa, actually. Yeah. Since they're in theory supposed to take place in a loss. Historical era in Europe is before colonialism. Yeah. Like six thousand years ago and Martin had the same problem. But like didn't seem as concerned about it ES. He does make some allowances like like there's there's some things that he's specifically doesn't put in there. Like like, he never mentioned tobacco. I don't think anyone smokes. But he does have characters chew sourly something called sourly, which is essentially chewing tobacco, except it's kinda reddish. I don't know. Yes. Anyway, these these fans, we're we're running this recipe blog, and it turned into an officially approved cookbook deal later in twenty eleven in October twelve and and now they've got other books out for world of warcraft, and heart stone, and elder scrolls. And the whole thing makes me so happy for phantom, and like cooking, nursery and history, nursery and awesomely there now in touch with the food stylists from the show and thus can. Offer recipes that are more like what they actually produce for the show. That's really cool. Yeah. Their website is pretty awesome. Like, it's in depth. It is there's a lot there is so much and it's great. There's also an unofficial game of thrones cookbook. That was published in two thousand twelve and lots of fans of posted stuff online, you know, recipes but also trying to find earthly matches to the series wines and ales. Oh, yes, I my famously themed DVD campaigns that one of the first ones was game of thrones themed because this show was premiering last season. And I made some of those those recipes for sure. Then I bought a beer called stark. Yeah. Anyway. So this actually segues really well to my next point because there's so much excitement for this final season companies all the chance to make some money, and they went all in on they've been going on. But it is a specially big right now. Yeah, you've got mountain dew with their game of thrones themed hands shake shack promotion for an off the menu game of thrones themed Jakarta's burger and drag less chic, but you have to ask for it in the Larry language, if you're interested, though, the translation is on their sites. Okay. So okay. Put that out there. Brewery Oma gongs game of thrones beers circa twenty thirteen they've been in on the game for awhile. Yeah. And there's some game of throne wines that you can buy white Walker whisky from Johnnie Walker. Goodness. And my favorite's the allegedly spoiler issue. Oreos what the house, sit chills Hallard toiler. So how you? Spoilers. I can't look at Oreos. It's great. And those Orioles, by the way, there's a commercial with them. And it's an epic recreation of the openness, oh, wow. Oh, I have to look this up. Now. That's great. It's really great. And in the UK, the food delivery service called delivery is delivering white chocolate dragon eggs that way about two pounds and cost about a dollar. What exactly what? A bakery in Dubai made a four foot tall funded and sugar paste sculpture in the shape of the iron throne with a fund Tyrian feeder Dink Lynch sitting on it holding a Cup of wine. That's probably a pretty excellent for for metric friends for feet is about a about a meter and a third or so it was worth twenty seven thousand dollars. What's co Dubai Dubai, and there's a Chinese restaurant at all Monte, California called a song of rice and fire? My hat is off to you. That is pretty excellent. But this about brings us to some some examples on specific example. But I it brings us to quick break for a word from our sponsor. Today's episode is brought to you by thrive market dot com. Thrive market is an online marketplace on a mission to make high quality eco friendly products. Available and affordable to everyone. They've got standard kitchen. Staples, snacks, teas and coffee, bath and beauty products. Cleaning supplies, baby. Food Pet Supplies baking supplies, meat and seafood. Even wine all twenty five to fifty percent below retail prices and shipped right to your door. They gave us a free trial and found a bunch of the things I usually shop for a pantry stockers like oils and vinegars Guchang Sultan, pepper corns, personal care supplies. 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We could find in this are nonfiction food hurled shore or like counterparts of them or ancestors of them. But since there are so many memorable scenes around food, drinks and feast, they are worth unpacking. Yeah. The the basic ingredients in tastes in this fictional world. Vary by fictional region. And are often directly illustrative of the character of the people from that region. Like, the north has hardy unpretentious food meals in king's landing are showy like over lavish in decorative tyrel is of high garden have a sense of sensuality about their food like they're eating for pleasure. Saying iron islands foodstuffs are straightforward and practical and so on I see I see and because this is such a sprawling universe. Every group has a specific they have specific eating customs or rules. And this is where we're going to get into fun with fictional. Oh, goodness. I'm probably not gonna be able to help you with know. Sorry. All right. So for example, the Caray who seek out rich foods, and the story goes that only owned the only meat that is off the table for them is the heart of band or dragon. Oh, wow. Okay. There's the Nathi who practiced pacifism, and they refuse to eat any animal, and that's where Mila Sandra from FYI the doors prefers, spicy foods and bold wines, plowing the earth is considered sacrilege to the doth rocky. So they don't, cultivate, crops things like that. Yeah. Yeah. And in there like there's a lot of real weird half fantasy half real racist. Stereotyping that's just floating through the series. And yeah, you could you could see you could see some of that in the way that the food illustrates these different people's like like the like the like the door being basically Spanish, or at least Hispanic or write Latin kind of like all. Men they really like their spicy food. I'm like guys. Can we not could we not have done that? Yeah. But that's fine. I mean, it's not. But I mean, you know, all your favorite problematic. This is very true. Anyway, let's talk about pigeon pie. So this is reminiscent of a meat pie. And it's typically served at weddings in west rose, probably the most memorable scene of pigeon pie on the show was the one at king Joffrey who dreadful terrible. Oh, yeah. Yup. Guy bad person and Marjorie Tyrol's wedding. Jeffrey slices into the enormous pie with his sword. Valerian steel at out fly some pigeons, but others dead on his. It's true. What happened to their pigeons? And there there are I mean, most pigeon pies, I imagined don't have live one. Stunt Cape kind of issue. I I have to believe you're correct on that. Olympe reply. This is similar to pigeon Pike's land pris are okay. They like us that don't have jobs, but have lots of teeth. Yeah, they're pretty they're pretty gross looking. But apparently delicious in the like lurk around in the water. And I think they're expensive because. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They are because it's dangerous to get them in their hard to find you got to go into the door water. Base the teeth. And then there's prey pie. And just in case you're season or two behind on the show. We're not going to specify about this one, but free pie those of you who get it. Get it. There's so many types of high. There's pork pie steak and kidney pie beef bacon pie. Lord. Mandalay's pie is big as a wagon wheel. Oh, Alicia orchards, clams and cockles. Yeah. Seafood is abundant and fresh in. Especially in these free city of Bravo's and street vendors sell shellfish straight from carts at cracking. Open the shells to order, there's dire wolf bread and. Okay, hot by who is a person not a pie is a friend of aria Starks and a baker's apprentice, and he along with aria, and a friend of theirs Ganji who I went on a very deep and long rabbit hole. Trying to figure out what his deal is recently. They get captured and their captors offer hot pies baking skills to the in at the crosswords to pay for their lodging and meals and hot pie prefers this to you know, danger. So he decided he'd rather stay and as a parting gift he makes aria some bread in the shape of a dire wolf, which is. Single of her house how stark. Yeah, this comeback. This comes back a little bit later in the series. He he offers a much better like less lumpy dire. Wolf bread to to to someone to give to aria if they find her and okay favorite factor. The episode y'all the actor Ben Hawkey who plays hot pie enjoys baking in real life and in two thousand seventeen he opened a pop bakery in London. And it was called, you know, nothing. John doe. And humid dire will Fred's for it. That is beautiful. It is so heck and delightful. Yeah. His were cornbread with orange zest. Uh-huh. Are the ones featured on the show are closer to English scones which are pretty close to American biscuits. Uh-huh. On the on the opposite end of this picture. I guess bowl of Brown. An appetizing Lee named bowl of stew common for peasants in king's landing specifically in flea bottom. Which is like the poor. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes made with rap meet when you're lucky when you're lucky you got a little bit a little Radyr pigeon in there. Yeah. This stuff is cooked in large pots that are kept simmering for days or like indefinitely with a portion sold out by the bowl and more ingredients added in as it goes, so many other soups stews, though, sleep published an article in two thousand seventeen called a song of ice and fire in soup subtitle. What's behind George r r Martin's obsession with chowder and bread bowls? Yeah. What's the deal with us? I've got quote for you here. What PG would house is to Butler's? What Jane Austen is to eligible suitors, but Cormac McCarthy is horse carcasses George Martin is to soup. Well, good for him. Yeah. And for for example, a sisters stew is a seafood chowder made around the three sisters islands sometimes served in a hollowed loaf of bread furball. There's like a whole page of conversation about this bowl of soup. And like the lady who made it in like, what ingredients are in it, and where those ingredients came from. And like why it's better than other things. And like, it's it's intense Akash. It sounds. What am I reading anymore? Like, I thought they were dragging like this just about chowder. Now, really the exciting part is the soup. We all those soup is the most exciting of meals. Speaking of exciting meals chicken. Yeah. Roasted chicken this. So there's this character known as the hound who I also went on a long rabbit hole about recently who's eases big broody fellow and at one point the hound runs into some of king Joffrey followers, at the end, not the end of the crossroads for once. Oh, different different than I do believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, y'all. I think it's different one. Well, he says something not so nice about king Joffrey and some of the chickens. They're eating a fighting sues and the hound reigns. Victorious in how needs is chicken. Yeah. He does. He does hound always gets his chicken Linister always pays their pets. And the hound always gets chicken. That's what they say. In the book, the Fraser foods like stringy beef and jellied calf brains at the red wedding and thin leak soup. Yeah. Like Lord, Walter phrase gross in stingy, and so so as kitchens food. Yeah. His play by the same guy. Plays filch. Yeah. He's brilliant. Oh, heck, I love that guy. So gross in that series. Appropriately. So and of course, doth Raqi horse heart from S's dough Trekkie priestesses give to nurse a heart doth Raqi to eat during a ceremony to bless the health of her unborn child. She bites into it as the priestesses chant a very memorable scene. Yeah. Horse heart, not death. Rocky horse heart. Not death. Rocky, humid heart just making sure that's clear. Yeah. I got confused about it. Oh that was so long ago. It was very long time ago that was that was first season. I know does rocky horse Shuki is also thing. Yeah. An apparently during the filming of of the scene of that heart eating scene for the show. I'm the prop heart was made of this like stiff gelatin, and it tasted really terrible and actor Amelia Clark eight like twenty eight of them, oh or at least parts thereof. And so she was not faking her, nausea. She said they tasted like bleach and raw pasta. And that she was really glad she had to spit bucket because. Yeah. Yeah. I saw something that said bleach in raw pasta menu. I would not. Hope I might leave that various. No. Thank you, sir. Yes. I am at the wrong place. There is occasional cannibalism though. Just to, you know, not among the death rocky that I'm aware of but the Fens from north of the wall eat their fallen enemies. Okay. And then previously mentioned lemon cakes lemon cakes for discussing. Gossip sounds a finally reveals how terrible Jeffrey is over limit cakes. Yeah. Her love for lemon cakes comes up. What feels like constantly like everyone in king's landing knows that their favorite. She gets upgraded by her aunt and the veil for eating too many like gotta watch your figure like, yeah. Yeah. And for all the fancy dishes, though, there's also a bunch of survival eating spread throughout, you know, berries to bugs to worms to acorn paste, you know, your own horse when nothing else is left that kind of thing. Oh, man. I like how we put we did cannibalism Limon cake books. We really know how to thematically stuck. Getting there. Yeah. Just when you think it's all well and good Beck's can be good. Just kind of out of order. Maybe may. So those are some of the food examples, but there are a lot of drink examples as well. Oh, yeah. And we will get into those as soon as we get back from another quick break for word from our sponsor. I can't believe that Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets book. Here comes one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead I know everybody. No, I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Gyco. You know, projected increase in organic Khukri revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. Yes. Thank you. The first thing we should talk about his wide, sir. C and her a wine. I love it. Oh, I know it's a thing of glorious beauty. I think one of my favorite gifts. I send people is the one where she just like more. Why she like very firmly sticks out her her beautiful goblet and says Moore one. Yeah. There is one of my now, I'm just straighten hurting out, but y'all like like like some of my favorite lines in the entire series are from proper breath. Ian played by Mark Addy brilliantly in back in season one. And and he has this monologue. That's terrible. Like he's just like such a like like, oh, look angry like like persp- with all of this bad stuff. That's happened is life, and he's punctuates it with more wine soap beautiful makes me really happy. Anyway. Oh, okay. Yeah wine. Yes. West rose has several types of wine. There's Arbor gold, which is super fancy super expensive and sweet white wine as in the most fancy and most expensive and all that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Arbor is known for its very fine wine. Very nice label. I'm sure there's an in world joke that a commoner would sell their first born child for some Arbor gold. Oh, and then there's Dornoch red which is a sour spicy red. Apparently, it's an acquired taste but still expensive acquired tastes. Absolutely. And then you got Arbor reds and homemade blackberry wine. Short Esso's has to they have their own blackberry wine Tiro, she pear brandy and sweet reds possibly made with beets. And one of these once called fire one I like that name the night's watch at the wall, drink hot spiced. Mold wine, apparently, lured commander, Mormon had a very specific recipe. That he liked like, Jon snow kind of like complains about how specific it is some point, quote, so much cinnamon, and so much nutmeg and so much Honey, not a drop more, raisins and nuts and dried berries, but no lemon that was the ranked sort of southern heresy. Frank. All right. I appreciate some strong opinion. I yeah. I I love a person with strong opinion. I don't know if you guys knew that about me. No. Of course, beer is also present in this world beer is for commoners wine is for rich folks in genuine general in general. There's me black beer in the north, which is probably a logger type thing some Blackbeard's are high quality enough to to charge a similar price as imported wines. There's other beers. Lots of ails. Yeah. Mostly like Brown ales beer for every time a day breakfast. Beers thing at the wall. At least I have a friend that laments breakfast beer used to be a thing. And it's an more and she laments that. There's there's Rum's sometimes poisoned, hopefully, not hopefully, not a dusk. Rose tea made from flower that grows around slavers bay and is used as a fever reliever. Fermentation mare's milk for the doth rocky. Yeah. A shade of the evening so named because of the blue stain it gives to your lips after repeated consumption, the warlocks of cars believe it to be a drink or maybe a drug that can grant magical abilities. But your mileage may vary on that. And then the mysterious proper northern drink which could have been either moonshine Sargus goes milk or neither or both. I think it was moonshine. But again, that's very confusing because they didn't really have dealing technology by the Dow anyway, that's fine. I'm fine with it. This is me being fine with things. So yeah, I think you know, I have interpreted it. Well, no, I can't interpret it that way. I was gonna say I I saw it as a moonshine esque like not moonshine. But that's like our closest maybe like a moonshine wine. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We're sure I'm sure we'll discuss it in too much depth off the podcast. And then as you can imagine there is an entire worlds of game of thrones themed recipes that you can make out there that probably have nothing to do with any of the food scene in the books or in the show, mostly pun based. Exactly, exactly. So yes, I have certainly made some myself, and I had to include some of my favorite ones based on the puns, puns only. I haven't made we'd all of these jaffrey's. Hopefully, not poisoned sangria, chickens little fingers. Pies pup, by doth Raqi artichoke hearts. A corn dog has no name. King crab. Jon snow cows, you know, Muffin. John snow the three eyed raisin bran loaf. Winter squash. Is coming pizza house of Tully three end of tart and call job hurts. And thanks to throw this for the list. They have plenty plenty plenty more. So you can go check those out if you want. I mean, I just like looking through the name. Yeah. Oh, I didn't. I purposefully didn't read that before we came in here. So if you like heard me quietly dying in the background. That's exactly what was happening. That is. They're so good. I kept like finding more and having to whittle it down and being like this one. So good. I think three I'd raisin bran loaf might be my favorite. An excellent also pun costume is Hoed or carrying the box of brand. I see you. I want somebody to come with me to dragon con wearing winter's coming shirt as the winner soldier. Oh soldiers coming. Yeah. So position is open. Applications are now being accepted. Oh, yeah. This is this has been a fun, fictional food episodes. I was really fun. Yeah. Yeah. I am. I'm still so tickled about that pop-up bakery. Oh, I am too. That's amazing. Yeah. And you haven't excited I'm excited for the these final episode. Oh, so so psyched. So worried. Got a lot of concerns as we record. This the third one is about to come out and that one feels. Yeah, it's it's looking like it's going to be the everybody dies epithets. But the battle of our twenty minutes of a fight. So. See we're going to be different people when you hear. But yeah, that that just about brings us to the end of arguing with bronze food episode and into. I can't do. Jon snow, a try. I was going to do like a. I figured it would have been. It'd been a real. Words listener mail. Don't particularly for themselves into that into that pattern. Yeah. If y'all have never noticed, though, what does perfectly fit into that pattern is Peter Dink damage, so you can just sing Peter damages name over and over and over again the entire time. The credits are going, and I I think it's great if you wanna record yourself in and send it our way we would not be opposed. But in fact, be thrilled. We would we would. Man. I'm watching a friend right now who has like, analyzed all the changes they made in the opening credits. And he was like pausing it. And being like, do you know what this means? And I'm like, no, tell me, please. I love how did your about it. Sara wrote as a still proclaimed, Saturday morning cartoon connoisseur. She was writing in response to all my mentions of Scooby doo on zombie island. Okay. This is one of my favorite kids movies slashes, probably among my favorite movies in general. Thanks very much for referencing it throughout your New Orleans run. It brought a smile to my face as it felt like an audio Easter egg. I mean, it was Colt to stop me on. I stopped trying. Let her go. I I never tried y'all. I wouldn't do that. And sarah. It was all for you all for you. I'm still planning on getting everybody together and watching it. Yeah. Yeah. We're definitely Chelsea wrote. When I was in college, I was flying from the US to Israel with a study abroad group and part of the journey was taken over Germany in an Austrian Airlines plane, oddly enough the plane was upholstered with bright green seats and bright red walls, making us all feel like we're flying in Santa's sleigh to top. It all off when the stewardess came around with the inflight snacks. We are each given a large packaged soft pretzel, stick I love soft pretzels and was so excited to bite into this wonderful treat that it took me a moment to realize that this pretzel was more than meth. I running through the center of the pretzel was quite literally a stick of butter. It was about an inch wide and five inches long. The pretzel was about six inches long and ice cold while it was a fun surprise and delicious with the pretzel. I felt like asking for more pretzel with. I butter even so our group really enjoyed this fun change from plane peanuts. I can't say I've never I've ever had that experience. Now, I've never been on a plane so brightly colored either. Yeah. Usually it's all just like dislike soothing eggshell. I feel like you must have been on like a a nice twilight zone type thing. Like, not a scary one. Beard. Yeah. Sorta like why is this butter in my pretzels like seeds screen? Yeah. I don't know. Although I would watch I would watch William Shatner do that entire stick about a stick of butter being inside of a pretzel on an airplane. Yeah. I don't really have shattner impression. So y'all y'all have to work on it yourselves. I I have been working on it longtime listener of this show. No, it's why it's on my list of goals. Haven't come far. I haven't given up either. Good. That's good. Yeah. It's important to have goals. Thank you. And this one is a very important one. Obviously, thanks to both of them for writing in if you'd like to write too as you can our Email is Hello at sabre pod dot com. You can also find us on social media. 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