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"jon mateos" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

06:27 min | 3 months ago

"jon mateos" Discussed on KCRW

"Frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us. It's based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups. Not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me, Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program In 2007. The code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on. Probably things will never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that. It appears as if we fired the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of Ah symposium where he Talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned a very powerful destructive cyber attack on his sands casino operation. To demonstrate something to him or to the United States. Oh, that's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our our critical infrastructure all the time, but it sends a message that destructive attack. Is easy for a country like Iran. It's It's an asymmetrical attack, and it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they had lost $40 million in their technology. But it was let out an incentive, frightening message. And, as David Sanger says in the film, What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas. 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film, the interview. Which, in fact does race areas questions about freedom of expression On also of you know, a major film corporation, Sony Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became suddenly an international incident. And I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our openness because of our First Amendment because of the public square, our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect Hack and dump attacks like what happened at Sony. Are not as effective to countries like Iran and Russia. As your documentary makes playing the Internet research agency in ST Petersburg. They're not just hackers, but in a way novelists and actors, too, aren't they? That's right. You know, it's It's very interesting. They studied All the sort of weak points in the divisions in our society, and they learned to exploit them, and that's right. That's the way they were able to sort of adopt our language and our habits over social media. It was just extraordinary to discover and you know, we're still discovering these sorts of things, and we're watching now, as the Russians change the playbook, and they're not just using their own bus, but they're using what they call useful idiots. They're finding people in the social media networks who they convinced to forward their disinformation. We just saw it on. We're starting to learn a lot more about what was going on with the New York Post story. With Rudy Giuliani in his work in Ukraine. Anytime anyone goes into Ukraine, they have to know that Ukraine, as we say in the film is Vladimir Putin's Petri dish. Is this war? As John McCain termed it a few years ago, it is war. David Singer likes to call short of war because have there been any kind of human casualties. Not yet. It's costs a lot of corporations, tremendous amount of money we saw that go from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of dollars in 2017 with the not Petra had wannacry attacks. But that may change Scott, which is the concern. When we look at the proliferation of five G networks, and we start thinking about things like driverless cars are air traffic control systems that we run on five G networks. There could be devastating attacks and I do wonder if the future of warfare is, it seems, is going to go from boots on the ground two fingers on the keyboard. Your documentary, I think does raise the question for anybody watching. Should we be so interconnected? You know, should we? Should we be on the road to having our refrigerators tell us when we're out of milk when we're you know, on the other side of the planet and can order it from a service, so it'll be delivered when we get back home. I mean, is Do we really want to live this way? Well, I think the cat's out of the bag. I mean, I think that we That's a foregone conclusion. But what I do think we have to think about a lot is conventions around the use of this kind of weaponry. We have it for nuclear weapons. There are Geneva Conventions about traditional conventional warfare. But there's nothing to constrain the use of cyber weapons. And I think as a a world we need to sort of maybe address that, Mr Mageau, should we be worried about voting in 2020? I think we should always be worried. We should have our guard up. As we see in the film. We have a lot of Officials warning a lot about ransomware attacks. You know what would happen if what has happened in the past two cities like Baltimore? Where you know they're held hostage, you know, should that happen in this election? We don't get an accurate count. It's only going to add to the chaos. John Maggio has directed the documentary The Perfect Weapon. It's based on David Sanger's book now on HBO. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, Scott..

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"jon mateos" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

06:29 min | 3 months ago

"jon mateos" Discussed on KQED Radio

"And frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us is based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups, not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program in 2007, the code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it. Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on, probably things we'll never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that, it appears as if we fire the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of the symposium where he Talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned a very powerful destructive cyber attack on his sands casino operation to demonstrate something to him or to the United States. Well, that's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our our critical infrastructure all the time, but it sends a message that destructive attack. Is easy for a country like Iran. It's It's an asymmetrical attack, and it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they've lost $40 million in their technology. But it was let out and incentive. Frightening message, A cz David Sanger says in the film. What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas. 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film, the interview. Which in fact does raise serious questions about freedom of expression On also of you know, a major film corporation Sony. Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became Suddenly an international incident and I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our openness because of our First Amendment because of the public square. Our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect happened. Dump attacks, like what happened at Sony are not as effective to countries like Iran in Russia. As your documentary makes playing the Internet research agency in ST Petersburg. They're not just hackers, but in a way novelists and actors, too, aren't they? That's right. You know, it's It's very interesting. They studied all the sort of weak points in the divisions in our society, and they learned to exploit them. And that's right. That's the way they were able to sort of adopt our language, and our habits over social media was just extraordinary to discover and you know we're still discovering these sorts of things, and we're watching now, as the Russians change the playbook, and they're not just using their own bus, but they're using what they call useful idiots. They're finding people in the social media networks. Who they convinced to forward their disinformation. We just saw it on. We're starting to learn a lot more about what was going on with The New York Post story with Rudy Giuliani in his work in Ukraine. Anytime anyone goes into Ukraine, they have to know that Ukraine, as we say in the film is Vladimir Putin's Petri dish. Is this war? As John McCain termed it a few years ago, it is war. David Singer likes to call short of war because have there been any kind of human casualties. Not yet. It's costs a lot of corporations, tremendous amount of money we saw that go from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of dollars in 2017 with the not Petra had wanna cry attacks. But that may change Scott, which is the concern when we look at the proliferation of five G networks, and we start thinking about things like driverless cars are air traffic control systems will be run on five G networks. There could be devastating attacks and I do wonder if the future of warfare is, it seems, is going to go from boots on the ground two fingers on the keyboard. Your documentary, I think does raise the question for anybody watching. Should we be so interconnected? You know, should we? Should we be on the road to having our refrigerators tell us when we're out of milk when we're you know, on the other side of the planet and can order it from a service, so it'll be delivered when we get back home. I mean, Do we really want to live this way? Well, I think the cat's out of the bag. I mean, I think that we That's a foregone conclusion. But what I do think we have to think about a lot is conventions around the use of this kind of weaponry. We have it for nuclear weapons. There are Geneva Conventions about traditional conventional warfare. But there's nothing to constrain the use of cyber weapons. And I think as a a world we need to sort of maybe address that, Mr Majer. Should we be worried about voting in 2020? I think we should always be worried. We should have our guard up. As we see in the film. We have a lot of Officials warning a lot about ransomware attacks. You know what would happen if what has happened in the past two cities like Baltimore? Where you know they're held hostage, you know, should that happen in this election? We don't get an accurate count. It's only going to add to the chaos. John Maggio has directed the documentary The Perfect Weapon. It's based on David Sanger's book now on HBO. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, Scott..

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"jon mateos" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

WNYC 93.9 FM

06:30 min | 3 months ago

"jon mateos" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM

"New and frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us. It's based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups. Not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott, because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program in 2007, the code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it. Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on, probably things we'll never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that, it appears as if we fired the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of Ah symposium where he talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon. Against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned, very powerful, destructive cyber attack on his sense casino operation. To demonstrate something to him or to the United States. Oh, that's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our Our critical infrastructure all the time. But it sends a message that a destructive attack is easy for a country like Iran. It's it's an asymmetrical attack, and it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they had lost $40 million in their technology, But it was let out and incentive, frightening message And, as David Sanger says in the film What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas. 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film. The interview. Wait, which in fact does race areas questions about freedom of expression On also of, um you know, a major film corporation, Sony. Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became suddenly an international incident. And I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our openness because of our first Amendment because of the public square, our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect happened. Dump attacks like what happened at Sony. Are not as effective to countries like Iran and Russia. As your documentary makes playing the Internet research agency in ST Petersburg. They're not just hackers, but in a way novelists and actors, too, aren't they? That's right. You know, it's It's very interesting. They studied All of the sort of weak points in the divisions in our society, and they learned to exploit them, and that's right. That's the way they were able to sort of adopt our language and our habits over social media. It was just extraordinary to discover and you know, we're still discovering these sorts of things, and we're watching now, as the Russians change the playbook, and they're not just using their own bus, but they're using what they call useful idiots. They're finding people in the social media networks who they convinced to forward their disinformation. We just saw it on. We're starting to learn a lot more about what was going on with the New York Post story. With Rudy Giuliani in his work in Ukraine. Anytime anyone goes into Ukraine, they have to know that Ukraine, as we say in the film is Vladimir Putin's Petri dish. Is this war? As John McCain termed it a few years ago, it is war. David Singer likes to call short of war because have there been any kind of human casualties. Not yet. It's costs a lot of corporations, tremendous amount of money we saw that go from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of dollars in 2017 with the not Petra had Wannacry attacks. But that may change Scott, which is the concern when we look at the proliferation of five G networks, and we start thinking about things like driverless cars are air traffic control systems that we run on five G networks. There could be devastating attacks and I do wonder if the future of warfare is, it seems, is going to go from boots on the ground two fingers on the keyboard. Your documentary, I think does raise the question for anybody watching. Should we be so interconnected? You know, should we? Should we be on the road to having our refrigerators tell us when we're out of milk when we're you know, on the other side of the planet and can order it from a service, so it'll be delivered when we get back home. I mean, is Do we really want to live this way? Well, I think the cat's out of the bag. I mean, I think that we That's a foregone conclusion. But what I do think we have to think about a lot is conventions around the use of this kind of weaponry. We have it for nuclear weapons. There are Geneva Conventions about traditional conventional warfare. But there's nothing to constrain the use of cyber weapons. And I think as a a world we need to sort of maybe address that. Mr Mageau. Should we be worried about voting in 2020? I think we should always be worried. We should have our guard up is we see in the film? We have a lot of Officials warning a lot about ransomware attacks. You know what would happen if what has happened in the past two cities like Baltimore, where you know you they're held hostage, You know, should that happen in this election? And we don't get an accurate count. It's only going to add to the chaos. John Maggio has directed the documentary The Perfect Weapon. It's based on David Sanger's book now on HBO. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, Scott..

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"jon mateos" Discussed on KQED Radio

KQED Radio

04:07 min | 3 months ago

"jon mateos" Discussed on KQED Radio

"I went out in the backyard and then I went up and cut the papayas for breakfast and the bananas that we're going to have for lunch. So beat your chest like Tarzan and say I can do this. One thing I like about sharing. I think Hawaiian people it's in our nature is in our culture. Do that, Whether your friends, family or just a guy don mystery. More people do. That would be a much happier place. Tommy. He came to Chang, also known as the Polynesian pirate off Khanna. The perfect weapon now on HBO is a documentary about a danger. We've all heard a lot about, but don't really know new and frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us. It's based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups, not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me, Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program in 2007, the code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it. Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on, probably things we'll never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that, it appears as if we fire the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of the symposium where he talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon. Against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned, very powerful, destructive cyber attack of his sands casino operation to demonstrate something to him or to the United States. Oh, that's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our Our critical infrastructure all the time. But it sends a message. That destructive attack is easy for a country like Iran. It's it's an asymmetrical attack, and it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they've lost $40 million in their technology, But it was let out and incentive, frightening message And, as David Sanger says in the film What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film the interview, which in fact does raise serious questions about freedom of expression. On also of you know, a major film corporation Sony. Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became suddenly an international incident. And I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our open this because of our First Amendment because of the public square. Our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect happened. Dump attacks, like what happened at Sony are not as effective to countries like Iran and Russia. As your documentary makes playing the Internet research agency in ST Petersburg..

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HBO's New Documentary Warns Of The Dangers Of Cyberwarfare

Weekend Edition Saturday

03:20 min | 3 months ago

HBO's New Documentary Warns Of The Dangers Of Cyberwarfare

"The perfect weapon now on HBO is a documentary about a danger. We've all heard a lot about, but don't really know new and frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us. It's based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups, not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me, Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program in 2007, the code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it. Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on, probably things we'll never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that, it appears as if we fire the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of the symposium where he talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon. Against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned, very powerful, destructive cyber attack of his sands casino operation to demonstrate something to him or to the United States. Oh, that's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our Our critical infrastructure all the time. But it sends a message. That destructive attack is easy for a country like Iran. It's it's an asymmetrical attack, and it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they've lost $40 million in their technology, But it was let out and incentive, frightening message And, as David Sanger says in the film What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film the interview, which in fact does raise serious questions about freedom of expression. On also of you know, a major film corporation Sony. Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became suddenly an international incident. And I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our open this because of our First Amendment because of the public square. Our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect happened. Dump attacks, like what happened at Sony are not as effective to countries like Iran and Russia.

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"jon mateos" Discussed on KCRW

KCRW

06:34 min | 3 months ago

"jon mateos" Discussed on KCRW

"And frightening warning from the FBI on hackers using malicious software to launch a cyber attack against us. It's based on the best selling book by New York Times National Security correspondent David He, Sanger. About a new form of conflict that is global, inexpensive, invisible and supremely available to small groups. Not just large powers. Jon Mateos, the director of the perfect weapon, and he joins us now from Brooklyn. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me, Scott. You know, I'm going to ask you plenty of questions about the dangers that cyber warfare poses to the US, But I have to ask you first. Did we fire the first shots across the bow? It appears as if we did Scott because when we attacked the Iranian nuclear program In 2007. The code that we put into the plant was released and everyone knew about it Now there were plenty of covert kind of operations that go on, probably things we'll never know about. But that one was let out of the box. And because of that. It appears as if we fired the first shot, and we've been paying for it ever since. Let me ask you about a few attacks. We know about 2013 cyber attack. On Las Vegas that was done in response to something of casino owners. That's right. Well, he wasn't just any casino owner was Sheldon Adelson, a well connected casino that's correct on he had gone online. He was part of Ah symposium where he Talked about actually setting off a nuclear weapon against Iran as a way to stop their nuclear program, and that video went onto YouTube. It went viral and the Iranians found out about it, and they planned a very powerful destructive cyber attack on his sands casino operation to demonstrate something to him or to the United States. No, That's the thing about these sorts of attacks. You know, they're short of war attacks. They're not necessarily attacking our our critical infrastructure all the time. But it sends a message. That destructive attack is easy for a country like Iran. It's it's an asymmetrical attack. And it made a very strong point. Once it was let out. I mean, the Sands Corporation did everything I could to hide the fact that they had lost $40 million in their technology, But it was let out and incentive, frightening message And, as David Sanger says in the film What happened in Vegas didn't stay in Vegas. 2014 cyberattack essentially brought down a Seth Rogan James Franco film. The interview. Wait, which in fact does race areas questions about freedom of expression On also of you know, a major film corporation, Sony. Yeah, that was that was the one that really got so much notice because it became suddenly an international incident. And I have to say it's one of the big issues in the film that I think people will recognizes that that the US is uniquely vulnerable to these kinds of attacks because of our openness because of our first Amendment because of the public square, our weapons against authoritarians regimes don't necessarily have the same effect happened. Dump attacks like what happened at Sony. Are not as effective to countries like Iran and Russia. As your documentary makes playing the Internet research agency in ST Petersburg. They're not just hackers, but in a way novelists and actors, too, aren't they? That's right. You know, it's It's very interesting. They studied All of the sort of weak points in the divisions in our society, and they learned to exploit them, and that's right. That's the way they were able to sort of adopt our language and our habits over social media. Was just extraordinary to discover and you know, we're still discovering these sorts of things, and we're watching now, as the Russians change the playbook, and they're not just using their own bus, but they're using what they call useful idiots. They're finding people in the social media networks who they convinced to forward their disinformation. We just saw it on. We're starting to learn a lot more about what was going on with the New York Post story. With Rudy Giuliani in his work in Ukraine. Anytime anyone goes into Ukraine, they have to know that Ukraine, as we say in the film is Vladimir Putin's Petri dish. Is this war? As John McCain termed it a few years ago, it is war. David Singer likes to call short of war because have there been any kind of human casualties. I'm not yet its costs. A lot of corporations, tremendous amount of money we saw that go from tens of millions to hundreds of millions of dollars in 2017 with the not Petra had wannacry attacks. But that may change Scott, which is the concern when we look at the proliferation of five G networks, and we start thinking about things like driverless cars are air traffic control systems that we run on five G networks. There could be devastating attacks and I do wonder if the future of warfare is, it seems, is going to go from boots on the ground two fingers on the keyboard. Your documentary, I think does raise the question for anybody watching. Should we be so interconnected? You know, should we? Should we be on the road to having our refrigerators tell us when we're out of milk when we're you know, on the other side of the planet and can order it from a service, so it'll be delivered when we get back home. I mean, is Do we really want to live this way? Well, I think the cat's out of the bag. I mean, I think that we That's a foregone conclusion. But what I do think we have to think about a lot is conventions around the use of this kind of weaponry. We have it for nuclear weapons. There are Geneva Conventions about traditional conventional warfare. But there's nothing to constrain the use of cyber weapons. And I think as a a world we need to sort of maybe address that, Mr Majer. Should we be worried about voting in 2020? I think we should always be worried. We should have our guard up. As we see in the film. We have a lot of Officials warning a lot about ransomware attacks. You know what would happen if what has happened in the past two cities like Baltimore? Where you know they're held hostage, you know, should that happen in this election? We don't get an accurate count. It's only going to add to the chaos. John Maggio has directed the documentary The Perfect Weapon. It's based on David Sanger's book now on HBO. Thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, Scott..

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