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Brews & The 'Boys: Cowboys Not Ready To Extend Garrett, Defining Roles For Moore & Kitna, Plus Super Bowl Talk
"Welcome to another edition of the brood in the boy pod path produced by way media brought to you by way of blogging the boys Espy nation and the box media podcast network. We are your friendly neighborhood podcast. We enjoy ho beverage it and talking about America's team Dallas Cowboys every week. We plan to give you an in depth, look and everything to couch doing, you know, me. My name is Michael Sizemore, you can follow me on Twitter atmosphere. Cise more currently contribute to log in the boys. And with me as always he is the man of the hour two week beats our folks, my colleague at logging boys and Walter Matthau to my Jack Lemmon, the aren't Anderson. My RIC flair Mr. Tom Ryo. Can follow him on Twitter at Tom rile BT be at the start of the show. We just have to send our condolences to the family of Wade Wilson former quarterbacks coach and and quarterback for many years for the Cowboys over sixteen years with the Cowboys has passed away today. It was his sixtieth birthday today being Friday, February first he has passed away our condolences are with his family. And Wade Wilson was a pretty good coach for the Cowboys for quite some time as in that. Right. Tom. Yet. He was he you know, he was part of the Cowboys family. He he knew parted ways with the team in the big shakeup last year, which you know, I think that was mainly so Scotland a handgun open up a spot for Kellen more. We will go into into too much about that. He he was he did so from diabetes he been had type one diabetes and had been suffering Ford for like thirty years. So, you know, this may be a bit of a complication of that. But still he was just six years old. And you know, your heart has to go out to his family into his friends and all the colleagues of work with him over the years. Over the years. Yeah. It's it's a huge loss for all of them. I'm sure there's going to be a a lot of sad hearts in the Cowboys family. You know, because you know, he did spend so many years as part of that staff, but we don't want to bring you down too much here. But we do just wanna condolences to the family away Wilson there. Let's talk about a few things we're gonna have short show for you guys today. But we just wanted to get in your ears a little bit about what's going on to Cowboys did finally make the announcing the more the offense coordinator, most likely going to be the you know, he's going to be the guy calling the plays. They're Doug Ness. Meyer will stay on in a roll John kitten as his rule has been defined as the quarterbacks coach kind of everything that we thought would happen, Tom. So I gotta know what's is your make of just, you know, the Kellen more higher than I think you kind of are a little bit more optimistic than a lot of folks are. Yeah, I. Mm have really been encouraged by the thanks for those that are out there in the Twitter verse there were some videos of posted of kitten talking about things like the importance of footwork about how you had how it was bit. A better to have a an offensive coordinator who told us quarterback, look sometimes you need to take the risks and rip it, and and it'll be on me if it doesn't work that just almost seems to be tailor-made for giving Dak Prescott the take the next step forward in his career. And so I think he is going to be a an incredibly valuable higher. And you know, meanwhile, you look at Kelham Moore's background the college offense he came out of. And it really seems like he could be another member of the wave of young innovative. Offensive coordinators head coaches out there just guy that can come in and do some things to to bring some unpredictability some some ways to manipulate things without telegraphing what you're doing to the defense. So yeah, I think this could work out really well as as I put up on a oh tweet amoun-. I think the the real determinate here is going to be how much is Jason Garrett. Gwen listen to them, and let them incorporate some of this stuff. And that's that brings me to Jason Garrett because I wanted to spend some time on that. Yeah. Yesterday. It was announced that the Cowboys do not plan on on extending Jason Garrett just yet. And I honestly Jason Garrett will be coaching twenty nineteen in the final year of his deal. I think you know, he did it once before in two thousand fourteen as well, I do believe that. It's a good move for the Cowboys not to make any long term commitments to. And I know folks are going to say, well, you know, Jason Garrett got the team back from three and five brought him to ten and six they wanna put a playoff game. But you gotta look at where the Joneses are coming from here in I agree with them. I think that they got to see more you got to see more from from Jason Garrett. You can't just be happy with. Okay. Well, our expectations change during the season because we started three and five and he was able to exceed those expectations because the expectations beforehand when everything was going whenever before anything ever started. Tom was okay. Scott Lenihan is going to be the guy in charge here, and we are going to get right back in and be one of the best teams in the NFL. They ended up being one of the better teams at the end of the year, but they struggled throughout. I just think that Jason Garrett is. He's a great. He's a great leader of men. And he's got a lot of great qualities of a coach that you would wanna keep. But I do believe that. It's a good thing for the Cowboys to take that wait and see approach which Garrett. Yeah. And I think it's a kind of says the team of the Joneses. I guess specifically. Thank that. They have solutions in place. They just want to see if they're right about them. Yes. And and that's it does kinda make sense. And you know, as you mentioned Garrett had a pretty good year. The last time he was on the last year season of his contract. So maybe they're hoping that they can seems to have pretty good years every time he's back against the wall a little bit. Yeah. Maybe they're hoping they can catch that lightning in a bottle again. And you know, get that playing the kind of level he was when he was new and people didn't know what to expect because. Now, you have the chance to throw some more stuff that people don't expect. Or at least that they haven't seen with the the new of his of coordinator and everything and hopefully at least some modification of the strategy in the approach, you know, if if they just put it whereas Garrett wants to he wants to fresh in his scheme with a little bit, more creativity. And and you know, our I really hope that you know, what one thing I'd like to see is put the jumbo f- of formation on the shelf. Let's let's find another way to to open that up even that's what we're gonna talk about Tom because I want to talk about line stuff to here. But I'll I'll let you finish your thought. Yeah. Just you know, I'm I really, you know, Sean McVay is you know, he's kind of the flavor of the year. You know now that he's gotten the Rams to the Super Bowl. But he does. Some things so well with motion, and he doesn't line up with you know, to tie ends three tight ends. And just dare dare the other team to stop the run. Which is exactly what the Rams did the Cowboys in the playoff game. So I'm really hoping that that Moore is is got the courage and the credibility to go out there and do things differently. A lineup on the short Nord situations and keep the the threat of the pass of alive spread the formation out that way, maybe leave it where you know DAT. Can can do a, you know, run play option run pass option or, you know, make an audible if he sees that they're loading up the box and then go to throw it or if he gets them spread out, and he's got some room for Zeke to operate than handed up. You know, that's that's the kind of thing they need. Not just lime. Up big and say, okay, it's going to be a run. We're gonna come up the middle and. Take it too. Because I really think that, you know, we talk about the good qualities that that Jason Garrett has, and you know, I know that Scotland a hand is public enemy number one. He was removed. But you gotta see that all these guys were together Douglas Meyer Kellen Moore, Jason gear they were all on the same page at one point in time before the season. Scotland Lenihan was not just the only guy making decisions in what has been something that I agree with the David Helms. Nikki of the world is something that the Cowboys have to change is they didn't they never really adjusted to the fact that that air of arrogance that they have about, hey, we do what we do better than anybody else. Well, you know, you come into the season. And you don't have Travis Frederick that's a huge loss. I think throughout the year the lines not set correctly. They did not get the push that they were used to getting you had a rookie left guard, and you had a banged up. Zack martin. So you're basically in the wine. You had an y'all side your tackle struggle a little bit too. So the offense of line was not where it was when you were dominating in twenty sixteen and it just felt like they were trying to line up execute that plan the twenty sixteen plant, and they just didn't have the horses to do it. Now, it would work at times. I mean, you're not gonna win games and it not work sometimes, but they struggled to move. A specially move defenses off the ball in the red zone. One of the worst gold goal. Gold goal goal to go. Sorry. It was worse than than than the actually get into the red zone. They got to the red zone. It was goal to go. That was really a big problem. And they just had every time they played teams with premier defensive tackles outside of the Philadelphia Eagles. They just could not keep that running game going. And when you face off the Rams. Yeah. The Rams were given up five yards clip two running backs. But man. When they can just crash down inside on your on your guards and center. You weren't getting anything. Yeah. And there's also you have to factor in the whole failed Paulo exander. It's. Which which they seem to have made some strides by putting more Colombo in. And it's good that they've kept him because I think that's a an important bit of continuity there. Now, they've kind of got bangs a bit back on track. So it is just. You just have to feel that that maybe now they can get things kind of working together, and the one the one thing that that everyone kept saying that keeps coming out about the Lenihan era was that he was just so stubborn and maybe a lot of that stubbornness carries onto the head coach in the other guys too. I think they've way. Well, you know, it's a contract you're so maybe that stubbornness is going to be one of the things that gets changed. That's maybe that humbles that humbles them a little bit. And then we're some indications of you know, that may be towards the end of the year Garrett was even getting frustrated with that stubbornness factor. So, you know, we don't really know how the decision making processes were going both in gaming and during the games. But yeah, there's a lot of reason for hope. There's also a huge msrb. Uncertainty, but I tend to take the the attitude. Okay. They're going to try this. Let's see how it plays out before we decide that it's a failure. Of course and worked at this team this team for three straight seasons has been a winning football team thing on the division twice this team that even when they were dysfunctional. They were winning. They were still winning football games. And I got I look at it as the most important wrote about this earlier in the week the most important. Positions at the Cowboys are just things at the Cowboys have to do here. And let's go by let's just look at position. And I think offensive line. I know that is going to be really really really important for the Cowboys. I know that they don't have a first round pick. That's more Cooper. Everyone needs to get in a line. Just understand what more Cooper does for this offense. He's right. First round pick to have. But they have several other picks. I really think they need to know that they already have a lot of resources just invested in offense of line. But that is the lifeblood of their team they are running football team. That's not gonna change under Jason Garrett. I wouldn't expect I would expect some changing changes like you mentioned before Tom going from seven using the past set up the run stuff like that. But as far as what they liked to do what Jason Garrett likes to do. He likes to run the football. He likes to have designed running game. They need to get their quarterback involved in that as well. In the good news is. Is is if you're needing offense of line while Travis Frederick is coming back, Connor Williams. We'll have another year in the weight room Tyran Smith, and Lionel Collins, they got a lot better towards the end of the season feel oh under contre all these guys. The only the guys that the Cowboys do not have under contract, our Marcus Martin and Cameron Fleming in I even made a point that hey Cameron flaming he didn't have the greatest preseason and stuff, but he kind of rebounded when he was asked to come in for Tyron Smith. So something to say about a league that is dealing with a lot of offense of line debt issues. If lemming is not on a lot of people's radar. You might be able to get him back for a similar deal that you had him before. And that's really not a bad thing to think about for a swing tackle position. That's become pretty important when you got guys like Tyran Smith going out and stuff. Yeah. I think that. Addressing some depth on the offensive line should still be a priority for the draft. I would not be at all upset if they use their second round pick to get a tackle to come in for for debt. See get somebody. Maybe that would be an upgrade from Cam Fleming. That's what they're best at. Yeah. And you know. Just I just see that you know, that that's a big need. I also think we're going to see them probably use a fairly decent draft pick from there. They're the ones they have to get a running back because the running game is not going to go away as part of the Cowboys philosophy. And you know, that those are two very interlink things. You know, you've got to have a well-functioning offensive line. And you've got the star running back, but you've got to make sure that he's got some death because you know, Elliott got a lot of work and he held up. Well, but you know, you really wanna keep beating him to death. They're so heavily invested as well in in offense of line and running back, and they got a lot of decisions that they gotta make this year. But the best part of that is you're not having to pay any premier offense of Lyman this year, you have everyone under contract three under contract until twenty twenty three. You might have to look at Lyle Collins after this year, but you don't have to pay anybody right now. So you have a lot of resources that you can go, and you have some of the most money to spend then. Yeah. In years past I don't think people should get carried away thinking that they're going to go after all these people that are not already Cowboys. I think most of that is going to be to resign guys that they already have. But yeah, they're obviously will have to spend money to keep DeMarcus Lawrence because if if that were to fall through that would be very troubling. Oh, of course. Yeah. And I don't think they're going to let that happen. You know, you never wanna say never but Lawrence played happily on. The tag. And now the team needs to step up and money, you have and. Yeah. And and just bite the bullet on the fact that they're committing some resources. Yep. The NFL always carries that risk you go out you sign or real of change making talent to to a big contract. And you never know when something might happen, and you wind up having the eat a lot of cap space down the road. But that's par. You can't play scare. That's just part of the game. You have to take the risk. He is clearly worth that risk. Mentioned that you know, we just got off the offense of line. We need to talk about other things that I think the Cowboys need, and you started with the defensive line their defensive tackle. It's going to be an important position to look at the Cowboys run defense got worse towards the end of the year. They really need to be up because David Irving is probably played his last down with the Cowboys. He's not playing he's probably not going to be with them. And I could see him signing with another team and having similar issues. I think his NFL career has been derailed. So you have to go and look for somebody else who you're going to get that pressure from the middle because you need more than just Lawrence. Yeah. But they've got they've got some stars. You know, they've me Collins, Antoine woods was a great fine. And I he's your starter at the one tech. So what they need is some death behind them. You know, they got Tyrone Crawford. But I would like to see some some more. Pure defensive tackle talent brought in and it's it's a great draft for that looks like so it's really good for the Cowboys. Because I think other folks are going on this draft talking about receivers and stuff, but we we've seen rookie receivers. It's really hard. You know, Gallup got going towards the end of the season. He looks like he could be good to go for the second year. He'll probably have even better even better seasons. What you hope for? But the Cowboys got receiver that they still need to look at other receivers possibly case. Call Beazley's gone. You gotta find yourself a slot guy. But and they still need to find a lot of weapons on the offense of side. But really, I don't think the Cowboys could address a position and not it not be a workable situation for them. Yeah. The nice thing is that going with the draft. You're looking at basically depth. Yes. Your your star positions pretty much, you can sit down and and set up a starting lineup and with the possible exception of slot receiver. You're really you've got you've got your man in place. And they you know, they've got Cedrick Wilson the rookie last year who was injured in camp and had say out the year on I r he was you know, player yet he could come back and be part of that mix. And this is one place where they may not want to have one guy in the slot. All time there where Kellen Moore might be able to do some really interesting things because Amari Cooper, can be very good in the slot to if you've got good people on the outside who are still functional goes back to what you said, Tom, you have to have some creativity. Some open mindedness. Yes. Who to start getting other things involved on offense? Yeah. You go out and go out with one line up and motion people into a different place. All of a sudden, you thrown that confusion on the other side of the line of scrimmage are trying to. Okay. All right. Who's who's going to cover? Do. We have to make the shift, and maybe you can catch them a little bit off balance which. Yep. That that's something that I'm hoping we're going to see a lot of in the coming season. And you know, now, we just gotta find out they will have to they're going to have to show some more creativity. Because teams have figured them out. They they know how if they take away the run it kind of makes the Cowboys struggling offense. And so the Cowboys definitely have the coaching has to get them. And I think Keller Moore will do this. I think, you know, Kelly Moore and Doug nussmeier in John kit and can come up with ways, especially if they're talking to Dak Prescott. About what he wants would like to do. I think they just have to be a little bit more open minded. And I think that's why Jason geared is doing what he's doing. Now by putting these young guys on his coaching staff and given them heavy doses of of experience doing this. But also he wants to hear from them. He wants to hear from all of his coaches. I think that's a good thing. Going forward for the Cowboys. Yeah. And you know, if it's really. Going to be something that we're probably going to see volving allot especially in preseason. You know, I I hope they experiment with some things and try some different stuff, and you know, throw some stuff out there for other teams to worry about during the regular season. And it's just you've got you know, you've got a lot of youth. Now, not just on the team, which is very young which is very encouraging for the for the you'll season's going forward. But you've got a young coaching staff. Now, really, you know, I mean wars were the youngest offense of coordinators the lead. But that is a path of light that has worked out Sean McVeigh was a very young offensive coordinator. So you know, Garrett was he was a very young it's coordinate. So yeah, I I. I think that that the youth experience is not necess- not something to be afraid of it may be how you get that innovation. You know, bring in somebody who hasn't been around the league for twenty thirty years. Who's got a set way of doing things? I mean Moore's a guy who's more likely to be willing to experiment with things because he doesn't have anything to go to he he's never done this before. So now, he's probably you would hope open to change open to those new ideas. You know in the last thing that I really wanted to talk about is just the Super Bowl this weekend. The patriots and the Rams in. I know I just feel like nobody is really excited about this Super Bowl, I'm going to a friend's house, and we're gonna do something. But nobody's really excited about the Super Bowl are not excited about the halftime show. Maroon five this is how you can tell a bunch of eighty year old owners or in the league. Let's get. That guy that was really popular in two thousand six. Yeah. That guy from the voice, it's Gifford when you bring in the Rolling Stones or like like bands at everybody knows. Everybody's going to have a good time but bringing in like maroon five and cold play the year before what is going on. Just doesn't make any sense to me. And I just feel like the excitement of this Super Bowl is not there. Mediaweek was boring. Everything just seems kind of it just seems like the patriots. You know, probably they they are are they favored it in this one. I haven't I haven't looked. I don't look at the lines a whole lot. But I don't even know who really is. I would think they are just because Bill Belichick. I am just like that's what I'm Tom. I'm just like afraid they're going to get to this Super Bowl in everything. I've been saying about it this week is going to be the true thing that happens McVeigh is going to try to get as creative as he can to try to outdo Bill Belichick and Bill check. It's just going to take his best things away and leave it at that because. Yeah. Yeah. And and it's you know. You know, you've got the patriots that everybody is tired of seeing the Super Bowl. I think except the fans and the fans of the team, and you've got the Rams who are even cares about none of their including Los Angeles. That the excitement is there, and it's never been there in Los Angeles. Which is you know, why the NFL was so so committed to getting team back there. They put two in the city, and it's like come on guys. And you know, what I hope that Lanta has bad weather like they were talking about earlier in the week that it could possibly be snow snowing on Super Bowl Sunday because Arthur blank deserves every bad thing to ever happen. He he deserves it after how he he was with the Zeke Elliott stuff just like grandstanding about that. But yeah, anyway, that's really all. We got guys today. You know, it's going to be a short week this week. But the Cowboys did make a couple of coaching. They basically just solidified some roles there. And harder. New special teams assistant from blip. Hire another special teams specialties assistant call us folk guys follow me at Mr. Sizemore, follow him at Tom rile. BTV follow us as in the boys and as logging boys. Stay tuned for everything that we got the Cowboys off season begins. We will see what they are looking at McGrath. See what they were possibly looking at in free agency and see if they can sign a bunch of guys that they have to Jerry better get that checkbook doubts because he's going to be doing a lot of signing. And he's probably gonna have to get someone like Steve Jones to signatures. I think I think agency might be more fun than we think. We'll we'll find out soon. 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Brews & The 'Boys: Jason Garrett Calling Plays | OC Search | Super Bowl Set
"To another edition of the brews in the boys podcast brought to you by way of Wapping. The boy produced by Hsi-wei media Espy, Nathan Locke media podcast network. We are your friendly neighborhood podcast rejoin drinking cold beverages and talking about American Dallas Cowboys, you know, me. My name is Michael size more than follow me on Twitter atmosphere size. More follow this show at bruise boys with me as always he's the man of the hour. He's too sweet to our folks, my colleague, logging, the boys the Walter Matthau to my Jack Lemmon he is DR Anderson to my Rick flair, but we're not doing too much talking right now because we're sitting at home during the playoffs, but we are excited. You can follow him at Tom rile TV, Mr. Tom, welcome to the show. We are back. We are talking. I am mad at my computer. But we are fine. Now, we are. We are calm, and we are buying and we're happy because the Cowboys fired Scotland, what do you think? Oh, I just I was you hate to say your world as he somebody lose their job. But yeah, I was thrilled to see them make the move. It's it was one of those things that you know, for a couple days. It was like everyone's going. What is he going to keep his job is he gonna keep his job? Jason Garrett muddy the waters when he went out. And I think he was on autopilot just giving out his stock enters and narly faking about what he said he knew that they were going to sit down and have meetings. He probably knew that Lenihan was hanging on by the thinnest of threads, and it was about to be snapped. And and you know, so that whole thing didn't panic me as much as it dental lot of people and then of. Of course, you know, it wasn't very long until they came out with the announcement that that Scotland hand was moving onto whatever his future holds, you know. And now the question is it have are they really going with Kellen Moore the as the offensive coordinator. If you follow read on social media is south like it's a done deal. But the team hasn't really said anything, I guess they're taking the the holiday off on Monday. So nothing official seems to come out at least style haven't seen it. They're also say because I looked and looked and looked and I've read about the Kelham more step. But I haven't seen any official word from anybody. So where where people getting their initial reports just from the and Rappaport tweet. Well, you I'm seeing that that Fisher's talking about it. Mike finishers talking about it a lot of the the people at caught Archer Clarence hill junior. They're all saying that it's going to happen. They're also reporting that Jon kitten has been hired as the quarterbacks coach which was killing Moore's old job. And yet he's being kept with the staff. So this seems apparent he's going to be doing something else. But once again the kit nothing is being treated as even more solid. Some word apparently coming from the NFL offices that he's getting the job. So it's all a little it's kind of fuzzy right now, we're looking for a little clarity. But it all the indications are that just like Scotland hands firing was coming that kittens arrival is coming and that, you know, telling Moore is going to be assuming a new role. And it's really uncertain. What's that's going to be play calling? Now, people are talking like Jason Garrett is going to be the play caller, which to me says that we're really looking at a situation where Garrett is going to be the defacto offensive coordinator was someone probably killing more as his chief assistant in that the helping develop game plans and the pick which plays gonna have in the playbook. You know, maybe add some new pages take some of the old ones out, and that it's really going to be on is going to be really GARRETT'S offense. Now, even more than it has been he he has had his offense of philosophy in place with lemon as the offensive coordinator. And it seems that this last year showed that there was a growing friction between the two something of a disconnect. And there's rumors. Enya Wendo about all this. But it starting to seem like some of them are a little our little clearer that for one we know that they weren't on the greatest this coaching staff wasn't on the greatest of terms Lynn a hand towards the end of the season. We can probably put it together that nussmeier and that Kellen Moore had a lot more to do with the offense of game planning with Jason Garrett. So Jason Garrett goes back to calling them calling the plays. You know, he's done that before for the Cowboys. And and honestly if you go back, and look these two typical analysis of those Jason Garrett lead teams there really wasn't a reason to ever take it away from him. It was just more of that. The Joneses wanted him to be a walk around head coach. Yeah, I think that goes back to they felt he needed to take care some of the other business of being a head coach. And now we can look at it. He's had headed that way for several years. He's got the organization in the shape. He wants it. He's created his culture and everything. Now, I don't think he needs to devote the time and energy. He did to that that he that the Jones felt he needed to and now with a rod Marinelli in Christmas chard taking care of the defense bat seems to be in good hands. They've got a problem on special teams that you know, they're still going to need to address which is just kind of faded into the background. But I think we can see something being done there in the future. I don't know if they're gonna keep a Quin the current special teams coordinator. But I think at the very least gonna bring in somebody to help him try to get things straightened out. And and so, you know, Garrett is going to be focused a lot more on the offense affect what we're going to see is titles that don't necessarily reflect how it really works because it still going to be a collaborative thing. I think GARRETT'S going to sit down with his main of people on the offenses assistance. That's gonna be killing more nussmeier and you're going to have Brown for the running game. And they're going to sit down into gather design the game plan figure out what they're gonna go come up with the script for the opening of the game. And gear will take over the play calling probably with more as their as his helper to help him and you'll put no. Nussmeier towards the end of the year, Tom, you know, I remember when that higher was made nobody really gave it much thought because he was taking over tight ends and Jason Witten wasn't there. And it took those tight ends a little while to to show up, but you see towards the end of the season Blake jar when and all those guys, and they're and they're running crossing routes crossing patterns and things you hadn't seen them do before. And you're and they're getting open and basically giving deck Prescott an open option in the middle of the field that he did not have before. And so you look at that. And you say we'll maybe nuts Meyer had a lot to do with that. And and Kellen Moore is also somebody that likes. And that's what it comes down to me. Is that the quarterback you mentioned all the guys getting together? Tom and coming up with a game plan the quarterbacks a big part of that Dak Prescott is a huge part of that. And I think that he really likes Kellen Moore, even though the rest of the internet world does not. He John kitten is about having somebody in there that Jason Garrett likes entrust and thinks veteran good veteran voice for down rest. Got who? Also was a big physical quarterback. So yeah, that's what they're kind of looking at. It's not so much. Okay. We gotta change everything. That's what everybody wants on Twitter. Everybody wants everybody wants to Cowboys just change philosophies. Okay. Well, Jason Garrett is not going to change. We is. He is. He is that guy. But he he's not necessarily like I said yesterday, he's not a core yell air coryell puritan like Lenihan really was. And and you know, we're starting to hear rumblings Tom that Linda hand was kind of being disfavored in the locker room and stuff by some of the players and everything because when they asked him to change he kind of went into a shell. So yeah, they didn't like that. Jason Garrett didn't like that. And the rest of the coaching staff. Definitely didn't like that. And that's why they came up with something different. Yeah. And it's going to be to see how this actually. Shapes up. Wonder who they're gonna wind up putting up in the booth. I think is going to be probably more or less Meyer will be in the booth getting the overhead look to see what's going on and talking the headset to Garrett and tell him what they're seeing and what they can attack on the defense. So, you know, and I think kitten is job is going to be the one to sit down and help Dak with getting the game plan installed with him. Then with still more probably having a lot of input on that. But I think kitten is gonna primarily take that job over, you know, getting this had some low level coaching experience for years. Now, he was a high school coach for quite some time. The last time he was coaching. Yeah. And so I think we're going to see. Him having a significant role. We're just not maybe going to be able to perceive it as clearly as we would like to because one thing that's not going to change. The Cowboys is that Garrett likes to run an opaque organization. He doesn't like to see how the sausage is made. But you know, I wanted to get it wanted to talk a little bit about Scotland hand in. I wanted to talk about the the reason 'cause I wrote a column this week, and I just looking at the stats of this offense under Scotland hand over the last three years, and why this has why this relationship deteriorated. And it's really because it was it was dysfunctional. It was a dysfunctional relationship from the get-go 'cause you had you know, Linda Han is probably not variet- coordinator for deck Prescott the play caller, I should say from that Prescott index Prescott. Probably not the right quarterback for Lynn Aghan. And so you look at everything that they have. But the reason I said it came to this Tom is because you look if you look back how this was always going to kind of in this way. And you look at how you look at hell, everyone, you know, you're stating people will is it fair to just blame one man. Scotland ham for other often some struggles will you know, it's probably not. It's probably not it's probably not fair. But who cares about fair? Linda Han asked in begged for that big stick in that room. He wanted he he turned over so many position coaches he was influential in the release of Dez Bryant, and he was a huge proponent of that receiver by committee approach and almost every decision. He had Tom was under the microscope at the halfway point when the Cavs. You're sitting there at three and five and looking good. No walked back the hiring. You have Paul Alexander. They replace that with more Columba who you mentioned last week re-signed. Yes, they went after Amari Cooper in said we were wrong about receivers. We were wrong that we do need a nice receiver be good to have a number one receiver for Prescott. And you look at some of what they did it towards the end of the year. Yeah. You talk about the total yards. Was they were top five passing. They were top five rushing. They were top ten points per game. They were topped in total touch. Downs. They were top ten, but they still were just kind of surviving in dysfunction. Yeah. And you have to also just as a side note mentioned that the defense kind of had a bit of a slump towards the end was not doing as well, which I'm not I don't know where you can pin the head, exactly. But mainly if you go back to the offense this this is. You have to look at the dysfunction that we are seeing reported repeatedly up. I think that was a huge key. And it it we just have to look at that had to be taken care of have Luma hand was the source of it, yet any note, you know, the Cowboys in twenty sixteen percents first year, they were they were they were in often sufficiency. They were eighth in the league while they not they dropped to eleventh last year. And then they just took a nose to twentieth this year. So you could see like numbers and things and those can often, you know, skew your view of what you see. But if you look at the Cowboys offense this year, and you put it up against some of the top offenses in the National Football League that Cowboys are minus thirteen hundred from the from the leader that's thirteen hundred total yards. That would take the Cowboys four games to reach that they were seventeen hundred behind in passing yards that seven games that it would take the couch. To reach that, Mark. There were six hundred yards in behind in rushing, which would have been five games. They they scored two touchdowns less per game on average top offenses did. And they were less. They were twenty five percent less efficient in the red zone. And you have Dak Zeke or a boat in the top ten in red zone touchdowns. Look less little could another lesson that I think the playoffs have taught us you win games by having an offense that can move down the field and score points and a defense that can get some stops. When you need it. Yes out. It's not necessarily about being that, you know, nineteen ninety-five Chicago Bears defense that's not going to be allowed in this league anymore. No, no, not with the way the rules are and with the schemes that are coming in. And we hopefully are going to see some changes in in again. It's more like emphasis like I think maybe the idea of running having to stab the run is going to be de-emphasized a little bit and use the passing game to find you up -tunities when the running game can guess the other team. I mean. That's the hope I'm not saying, that's what's going to happen. But that's what I hope is going to develop from this. And there are some some things of this whole history of Scotland and getting dismissed that could indicate that that's one of the things they're looking at doing. Looking at doing Tom is getting deck Prescott legs involved. BBS win Dak is running the football. When you get him involved in the running game. You make Zeki Elliot all the more dangerous and you only need two three four runs by Prescott built into the game plan because now that suddenly a threat all the time. Yeah. And so that you don't have to put him at huge risk used to have to be willing to take some tacky lated risk with him to help make the offense. Click and I think that's gonna happen. And another thing that has a saw mentioned that I think is really key is that of the the offense of coaches now he's got four former quarterbacks that speak the language that know what to tell him that that can get in his ear and help him figure out how to maximize himself. And I think that was part of why kitten was brought on board to add another. Another one of those someone who Garrett knows. Well, he's worked with. Yep. We're more has. Yeah. Go here. We're gonna take a quick break. When we come back on the Bruce and the boys podcast here. We're going to discuss that Tom about their quarterback that they've added to the coaching staff. We're all gonna discussed last night's incredible performance by former quarterback Tony Romo are going to talk about just the playoffs in general getting general idea where we are for the Super Bowl. We will be right back on the of the boys pot. We are back on the bruise on the voice podcast. He is Tom rile. You can find them at Tom row. I Mr. size where you can follow me that Mr. Sizemore on Twitter. We are talking about the Dallas Cowboys hiring John kittens, they have Kelly more into they also have no Smyers Jason Garrett. Lot of quarterbacks in there to talk to Mr. Prescott. Now, some may say too many cooks in the kitchen some may say this is exactly what deck Prescott needs as somebody. That can teach him that can show him out. Even better, you know to clean up some of his mechanics and stuff deck had a great season. I mean, he was pretty phenomenal on down the stretch their Tom and this, and he it's only going to get better with the right voices in his ear. He seems to love Kellen Moore. And Jason Garrett has an affinity for John. But John kitten was there he backed up Tony Romo John kitten and Romo. Liked him to John Kitin has seen a lot and he can help he helps young quarterbacks. And he can specially help a young quarterback like Dak Prescott with mobility and less less talk a little bit about one of the miss out there about Dax rookie year. People talk about how Tony Romo minute note. Tony Romo was not mentoring him Tony Romo Saul him as the guy that was threatening his job. That's okay. Because Brett Farr that you know, a lot of quarterbacks have done that before. Yeah. But what was the truth of the matter was that he had Kellen Moore? And Mark Sanchez that were Mitterand him in helping him develop in helping him get through that that really remarkable rookie season the ad. And that what's that's what kitten? I think is back in the mix is because they want someone to come in with that. Mark Sanchez kind of role that that has been out there. That's played the game. That knows how it works at the pro level that of all the quarterbacks. On staff kitten was by far the most successful is actual career. So that also had a little bit of that Dak Prescott in I'm like, the leadership quality. Yeah. Players loved Jason Witten as Bryant his rookie year was with John kitten, a mainly, and it's because kitten he just he's a he was a fighter. He was always gonna fight to keep you in those games, and they had five and three down the end of the stretch, and Jason GARRETT'S first inch interim year as the head coach there at the halfway point. So pretty good. Pretty good move. I think for the Cowboys to bring in John king. It's the right voice in. It's the voice that Jason Garrett trusts. Yes. And so it's going to be very interesting to see how this funds up which unkind of Suming. We're going to have a really good picture this by the Pro Bowl because the Cowboys are going there as the staff of the NFC. So we're going to have have this all laid out here in the next day or two maybe by the time. People listening to this. I'll go to be a sorted out. We're going to have it all labeled window what the actual titles are. And you know, I can see some some creative use of titles. You know, like kellyn. Moore's the offensive coordinator, you know, nussmeier may be assistant head coach guessing as bullshit extraordinaire. How are you know, maybe, you know, maybe smile be running name in just that kind of stuff. They're just going to hand out some labels give some people some pay raises because obviously Moore's in line for probably a fairly significant jump in pay. And and you know, that's one thing that Jerry Jones. I don't think he's shy about throwing around is throwing money onto his coaching staff to keep people happy and keep the people he wants, you know. So, you know, I think a lot of one thing I wanted to get into Tom about these coaches stuff. Can we also just talk about how ridiculous it is? That people are suggesting Tony Romo be the offense coordinator that you know, in most of the time we're hearing it from people that are saying Jason Garrett was a lifetime backup quarterback who wasn't very good. How could he be a great coach guys? Bill Belichick was a terrible football player. And you win is the last time a really good NFL quarterback went onto a really successful coaching career, doesn't it doesn't happen because they don't want. Yeah. Let me leave my cushy job where I just showed the world that I am the Knicks. I'm the next John Madden. Let me leave my cushy job where I'd only have to work once or twice a week and let me get out of there. So I can work until go bald doing doing a coaching job where I don't even get paid much. Like, no yet is not what people will Tony Romo. Tony Romo guys. He's not predicting people's. Plays. Okay. He. Yeah. Go ahead yet. He is reading what he sees. Yes. And telling in the mind of a quarterback, and he was so good at that on the field. He just brings the added element of being able to communicate that with such vigor. And and so really very animated. And you know, what honestly Tom we should be talking about Tony romo's on offense coordinator, we should be talking about him as defensive Gordon. Yes. That's true. You know, and you know, that that would be if he had some way to keep the the hit the helmet phones on secretly up until the snap. Because a lot of what he's seeing in calling as happening. Well, after those helmets get shut off and people no longer have been there. So you can't really say that that would even translate it all to being a coach. But like you said, here's a man who loves his golf game who has a beautiful wife and family and palatial residence that now he gets to enjoy all. A slide. That's awesome. Yeah. And and meanwhile, he gets to see of maybe he can sneak into some golf tournament some day and show up on Sunday after that job at Viet, see one it CBS is going to make sure that nobody is going to pay to draw drawing away with pay because he is there's only two people in the world that hate Tony Romo doing that job. And that's the Chris Simms and his father. Well, Brit Musburger doesn't seem to fame. How well who cares? But but anyway, you know, you don't have to be a good football player to be a good coach. You can know what is going on you can understand concepts Kelly Moore in his heart of hearts knew that he was never going to be a starting NFL quarterback. But that's not what his his goal was Moore's goal was to coach like his father that he wanted to do. And he always was praised for his football intellect. Yes. And you know, Tony Romo has that. But he doesn't have that that coaching, gene. No the release. There's no evidence of it and Kellen Moore seems to have that, you know, we know kitten. Does you got the other guys on staff who has have years of experience stuff back Tom to Troy Aikman? Troy Aikman said that Jason Garrett was like having another coach on the sideline. Yes. He loved him. He felt like Jason Garrett was his quarterback coach when. They played together. Yes. And so it's it's really important at at the other thing, as you know, a spoke earlier about how the offensive coordination is going to be a collaborative effort. That was I think the the we real factor in linen having to go because he was not in step. He was not being a youthful cog emend machine. He was you know, the other turn they used a besides going into a shell was he dug his heels in? I know what I'm doing. And I got more experienced every now, and you know, he was Stober. He was going to prove he could make it work his way. No matter what they were telling him and asking him. And and so now they've got that out of there, which at least has to give you hope that they can make this work. And and the off the Cowboys can get back to being one of those top ten offenses that you need to have to be able to do anything in the playoffs. Yeah. And you know, I want to spend our last few minutes talking about the playoffs yesterday Sunday here, they you know, the Ran's took on the New Orleans Saints for the NFC championship the Rams win. And I just wanna know, Tom. What did you think about that call or that no call I should say for the past interference at the end of that game? I'm just sick to death of the referees Weiming up having a major influence on the outcomes of games. And that was now they they miss some calls. The other way that seems to happen in every game. But that one was was so agreed jus-. And you know, the city of New Orleans is not gonna forget it. Sean Payton is oh that man was just so they called him right before he went up for his post game. And I just said that takes some inner fortitude to call the coach and tell them you wrong immediately. Yeah. That was snow correction there. You know, Tom. They do this everywhere. They call teams and say, you know, what we got this wrong. That does not make anyone feel better. They call Dez Bryant. After yet to say about the catch thing we on that. But this is the problem with the NFL, I think. These days Tom is that they over officiate, then they under officiate, they can't they can't be. They can't go on both sides. They actually make it worse. Make the game worse because they have to be involved in deciding the game. And that's really something that any official you've ever talked to. I've talked to basketball officials before in referees generals say the one thing you don't want to do is. You don't want to be the person deciding the game you want to let the players decide the game and to use a term that used with players a lot. I think the the officials are officiating tight, they're they're they're too. They're looking to types focuses, narrowing and they're not seeing the whole game as well. You know, that's the only thing. I can I can figure on the no call on a in the saints Rams game. Is that they would just so locked on will. You know, where's this all they didn't look to see that the defender was getting there a step too early and making it impossible for him a chance to catch the ball. They got to do something. I think they've got to find a way to review calls like that that are potentially game changing should be able to review penalties. I think they should be able to review every this you in all review effing give the but play in review for everything is is going to have to be quick. Like, someone suggest I got thirty seconds. And if they can't see something there than they just have to stay in is the they also need to to maybe simplify the rules a little bit give the officials a few less things. I've got to take into consideration. There can't be these biases. Like last week. We see Dak Prescott get hit right in the head. No call then yesterday. We see Tom Brady get touched on the shoulder. And it's a roughing the passer. It doesn't make any sense. You know, I didn't like it when they were doing it to Cam Newton. I know Cam Newton's not everyone's favorite quarterback out there. But to this. He was getting beat to death by the Denver Broncos. And they did not ever throw a flag for that. And it's awful because then you're sending guys back out into the game that their their mind is not right. They look like they're don't wanna take these hits. They want to occur all over all these hits Kerr on their body and be out of the football game before the second quarter. Change the way the game is played when you do stuff this way. Let's take let's take another thing. They could do that. I know some people might want argue this. But let's say you have an offensive holding call. That's a way from the play. You know, you've got a the the running back going out off left tackle. And the right. Tackle has a hold on a someone who's twenty are away from the play and was never going to have any effect on it that out. Why throw that flag just tell him? Okay. Don't you know, if you really want to Tom you can throw a flag on every single play issue could and is like the old uncatchable ball thing know, call pass interference on a guy. The ball is ten feet above his head. Why call a holding call that's on the opposite side of the field for the play actually happens. Exactly. Exactly. And in the patriots game. You know, you had quite a few as well. You had that one? We mentioned that Tom Brady, but you also had the no touching by on the punt. No that I mean, come on. And it's a part of it has to be for the officials as got to be more. What do you see? And does it look like a play? You know? Visit look like a catch. Does it look like a whole, you know, the does it look like pass interference? And then have the backup that they can come in with something to overturn a call. You know talking. Right. I mean, they're talking about it right now about possibly going back after might peer Pereira or going back after dean blandino, which I don't see either one of those guys leaving nice jobs that they have. Yeah. Back into officiating. Because a lot of people don't think that the referee the official from yesterday's game against the the saints rans is gonna make pass the offseason. Yeah. But you know, as soon as you know, I get a call into Roger Goodell would just go up there, and we'll fix it for them. Right. We'll go. We'll go fishy. Eight and we will not be biased at all. I want to shake every single game. I'll be like Dana Carvey in that in that little NICKY movies. Like, atty. He. And just call all the flags. But that's all we got you guys today. We just wanted to reach out and talk to you guys about the quarterbacks. Coach is that all the coaches on the Cowboys work former quarterbacks folks, even on defense just kidding, no. But we just wanted to talk to you guys about the coaching changes that they have you got your wish Scott Lenihan is out. You're not gonna get your wish Tony Romo because that would be insane. Even I would go and talk him off that one because my gosh, keep the money. But Tom, you got any last words leave our our loyal fans with today. Hey, it's the off-season. We've got free agency coming up. We've got the draft. We're going to have a lot talk about. And then before you know, it will be rolling into OT as and and you know, minicamp and. You know football never stops. And we're going to keep filling your ears with stuff all year long. That's correct. And you know, I don't I don't wanna be troll here. But I'm going to be a troll because one of my friends Brock Howard, he left. He left our job. So I have been working shifts for him, and he's a big time New Orleans Saints fan. Okay. And I know brought you got your team hose. But let me tell you something drew Brees was the one that interceptions in like he did not get the Cowboys. So that's why the interception. Anyway, anyway, Talboys nation, we will be back in your ear probably in a week or so maybe last you never know with the Cowboys something could happen piece. Tom rile find him on Twitter at Tom Robbie TV by me that besides more. Find us at blogging boys and at Bruges in the boys dot com for everything. Cowboys. Between these. 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EP 001 - NFL Draft Picks & the Business of Football During COVID-19
"Again is an inside look at the players. The coaches and the business of Sports with former NFL star and broadcaster Ron peds in two minutes later I was back in the same Oklahoma drill that I got the concussion from the mastermind behind the greatest show on turf coach, Mike Martz and we wanted to force him into vanilla defense and go to work. Wondering to Jan is a hard hitting. No, BS podcast next huge. Source this is. I'm Ron Pitts in this is the inaugural. Run it again podcast. Simple look at a complex sports world. You're going to hear some things you haven't heard before, and maybe it'll make you think about some things you haven't thought about. At this time I'd like to bring in good friend of mine and a great coach. Mike Martz Hey, Mike Hey Ryan known. Oh Man! I'm hanging in here. This is show number one in. We're making history. I guessed right. Yeah, we are shoot this. Let's get this ball rolling kind of excited about this. Yeah, well, okay, so we have so much to talk about and I guess I have to start somewhere so I'll start with you know. How did we meet? Well, I think. The sexual because I. Make softball coming at me yeah. You know how we met you. doggone eighty three were over playing UCLA's at Arizona State and were up by. Sixteen points with five minutes to go tell the quarterback. Hey, listen take a bootleg. No matter how open he is, I want you to run the football you and stay inbound. This is Todd Hans. I say he's going to be wide open because they got everybody up there, but don't throw the ball well, the. Out there and he was wide open, and he looked, and he looked, and then this this guy came out of nowhere picked. It ran back for a touchdown. They go for tune. Good long story short. Sixteen points in five minutes and we come out of there with a tie, but he's. He started that thing so long. He just couldn't pass it up and that guy was. Was You had for that thing back into the end zone going for him? So that's how we met that. That's how we met. Okay. Yeah, I'd forgotten just I. Knew You would. Remember, so, that's on the left Hash and it was a car to the right, and we have to tighten coming across. Kim Got drilled a well. Let me ask you something. Do coaches just naturally remember every play? That's ever happened in their life like that. You know for the most part I been retired. I don't. Quite as well, but you know you look at so much film or when it happens. It's kind of embedded I can actually see the play. It's not like I. See numbers or anything that we can actually see the play you know. It was a hazy day. On the Rose Bowl and Alzon left hash. We fake power and I think it was somewhere around the twenty seven yard line, but not really quite sure but you do those things flash in my head immediately, and you can just kind of. It's always been that way I can remember. For years I remember just about everything I don't now, but you know when you're active in, it's easier. Yeah the only thing I do remember is that game was actually at Arizona State now it was in the Rose Bowl News in the Rose Bowl. Okay all right. We'll see there you go. In definitely in the Rose Bowl. Well I'll take it because I didn't have a whole lot of pick. Six is back in college, so thank you very much. He's pretty impressive. He did stared down though if you didn't intercept that, that's all you had to take some. Shine off me like my boys say why why you throw in shade coach. Don't throw shade on demand. Anyway, listen, we'll now we fast forward in I'm doing the broadcasting, and then we get a chance to work together in a booth, and but before that. We talked when you were at the rams, not only as a coordinator, but as a head coach, but I remember you still walk laps around the field before the game the dinner and I was I remember one day I was up in the booth and that you know in that in that stadium now that was a weird kind of booth. It was and I can vaguely remember the story Dan Deardoff. Orf didn't like the original booth location, so you Dan had a lot of pull their obviously in Saint Louis area, so he said are move it up here and they put together a kind of a makeshift It was terrible there, but anyway so I'm. You know a couple of hours for the game. I'm seeing this guy. Every time we do a rams game take laps so finally. Sit Down and I'm going to go down here and talk to this. I gotta find a WHO this is well. I get down there and I find out. It's Mike Martz, the offense coordinator and I think I probably bugged the hell out of you one time and said Hey, coach, doing covering your game like like you wanted to hear any of that crap. But you, you work hard, you're. We did have a friendship from then on. I did that before every game a whole career what I would do? Ron is like it out there before. Actually the players would get out there and walk around the field and I had to play. The whole plan in my head, basically and I wanted to call the game without having to look at the car. You know the game plan so I'd walk around there and usually add some music in my head, and you know the headset on and on to walk around and. Look at places in the field and just imagine calls in situations and kind of play the game and my head before it was played. Well you played it very well and. Obviously then the next step was head coach, and we had many production meetings after that and I remember one time getting. You were Nice enough to give me your your play sheet. which I I I did. Put on Air I covered it up so as one could see you know what you were trying to do, but that was huge that I thought that was a big. Play. She's now in the electron education computers, and all that stuff and. They just put that into the system, and it's been online now for quite some time. Hope Labor. I had I did. Know we had A. Big Deal for all high school. Coaches are big clinic. A free clinic at the rams after I, said my opening remarks. There's about eight hundred coaches there. A young man comes up and say coach. We could help me I said sure what can do for. You showed me this page. And that's a page of our playbook with a pass. Play all drawn up on it in all thing all the particulars on it and. He, said honey. I read this. Big Parties. Where'd you get? That is what you can buy these online for five cents a pop. Oh? My Gosh Yeah. That's right. Yeah, no secrets anymore. That's no no secret now. Yeah, I remember that you said Okay I needed back like next week and yeah coach. From get back to you I think I got it back to you about three weeks later I got a call from an. I can't remember who was doing the Like the PR for you, guys but anyway he called me up one day. He said Ron Coach wants that that play sheet. I said Oh no problem. Well, we're going to do you guys this week and when I come back in town on Thursday We meet with the coach on Friday and I'll give it to you. Then he said no, you don't understand. He wants play sheet now I had. Downplay she back to sail. I'm not sure why one it once it's done. We moved on something else. I've probably just afraid. You know getting out there. Like it coaches are so paranoid. And good reason, let's be honest she so. But so much that sexual was so guarded a now. Nothing's a secret. You know like Bill Bell Check for instance as most coaches do. They are all these young kids to pour over all these game tapes in pull out all these ideas and put together for him to look at which is. Good, so if you have something that you think noon unique, and you run it that Sunday if it's a good play, thirty one other teams are going to have. If they like it. They'll be proximate. Week which didn't happen twenty years ago. Yeah, that's right. That's right well. Let me transition here away from name and into obviously a very. Serious Subject I. Guess you call it a month a month and a half that were in Penn -demia Kobe in nineteen as its formerly called. Mike. It's funny because I keep thinking about one particular event that we both went through, you went through it as head coach I went through it as a broadcaster in that was the nine eleven super bowl. Right. You Guys Patriots and was just remember how weird that was from a security standpoint. Just that part of it was real weird. Our Hotel Room Juliana can. We were right on the river there in October stained, and I just remember. New Orleans right. Yeah, yes, in New Orleans I'm sorry, yes, in new, Orleans and I just remember looking out the window and seeing these. Gunboats with machine guns, going up and down the river. Julie didn't get in the game. She missed a whole first quarter. Relish is to enable to get into the game now, so they're. The security was very very tight with such an odd feeling, and then of course that we introduced a team, but seem like we're on the sideline for thirty five minutes fact I know we're there. For thirty minutes before the ball was even kicked off, so it was yeah, it was really really different. It was odd kept waiting for this thing to. Go on, then I felt a tap on. My shoulder looked around. It was President Bush you. So that Kinda got your attention to. Of course he went to the other side line right away, but. A whole nother. He was he saw the red white and blue can help themselves. So, and he jumped to the other side line. Yeah, like ten minutes before kicking Oh. Hi, George Yeah right presence on the other side our chance. The security was insane, and I just remembered layers upon layers upon layers, but More importantly in the reason I bring this up the mindset going into that was. How it was part of it was depressing obviously because of what had happened. In the other part of it. was extremely emotional, and he was a very emotional weekend. You know obviously for a lot of Americans but for us and. This what we're going through right now, covid nineteen, Mike it just gives me the same kind of feeling in in some regard, even though it's completely different, but nonetheless the same emotions are there for me. Think what draws both from both those situations. You WanNa feel safe. You know you want feel safe. In that nine eleven situation where your family you wanted. This country will be saved then here in Kobe. Nineteen to you WANNA, be safe. You want your family safe you. Can to protect that and not take those kinds of risks that would exposing any danger, so there are some correlations to. There's no question about him but it's frightening. You know and We'll get through this. As You. Do the right thing, and and you know they'll eventually get this chorale, and but we've got to be patient about. Well! We're all safe up here I. Hope you and yours are safe and everyone listening safe as well now. We've talked about covert nineteen so now let's transition over into the business of sports. We've seen what regular. Nine to five Monday through Friday business has had to go through and the shutdowns, and how that's affected people, but now how does this trickle over into the business of sport in? We just had the NFL draft this past weekend, and they did something that I didn't think would ever happen. In the NFL and I didn't think it was even possible to do it in the other were glitches, but they had a virtual draft. They pulled it off. The den and they did a good job with it I. I just think that In terms of getting prepared for that draft I. Don't know that that there was an issue for anybody know they get everything done by January with all their scouts, and then they add the coaches information to. But all that stuff that you can do meeting wise you can. Do you know electron class? We all know through those meetings, and all those. Yeah, you know APPs that you use, and whichever one that you're using doesn't make much difference, but you know all that can. That information is disseminated, and it comes right down to one or two guys making the decision anyway, so it's not like you need everybody there, but it was. I thought they did a good job with. It was a very very strong draft is probably as talented drafted I can ever remember to be honest with. Yeah well. So. Let's talk about the other sports now. You've got the NBA, originally. They said May I. They would start practicing, but then they amended that and now push that back to May eighth just one week. NHL, soccer still no word as to what they are planning to do going forward the big question and I this hits home for me because I've got to college football players. or I should say excuse me I should say student athletes. What are they going to do and win? Is that season going to start an? Is it going to start? That's a great question I. You know Pro Sports. You can kinda sequester. Everybody and kind of keep everybody confined and controlled environment. And you, Don, college, can't you know you got kids on campus? Coming from everywhere in the country and the world and they get exposed to all kinds of different people, and and then when they travel, each college is going to have different ability in terms of where you put up on travel and. I. It's it's kind of A. It's a catch twenty two. Hide you do this. You know I guess in College. There's so many variables that you can't control in as it worth the risk. You know you have to ask yourself that. Sports is has so much to do with the morale is country. Americans Love Sports Basketball Baseball football tennis. Whatever it is you like to see that you know, continue if it can. Somehow so you know at what point don't is a risk. Make it not worthwhile will Anthony Fauci from the CDC came out a couple of weeks ago before the draft, and said Oh no, the draft and the NFL in sports in this country can resume if it's done the right way. MLB I left mlb out Dave talked about launching in the city of Phoenix in basically using the the multiple baseball parks and facilities that they have there any way for spring training. But now that brings up another question in. It's a legit question. What about the safety of other players in what about the safety of people already in the area? Let's say a player comes in, and he's positive, but they league doesn't know it until he gets her now. He possibly infect several other players, and now the players spread it in in a family members are involved. That's another issue It just seems like still a good idea, but a lot of moving parts to it. Whether is in and like you said. The testing Parbat is critical. They'll all have to be tested every week and I think all the professional sports will have to deal with this in terms of the public and how they feel about because you're so many people out there that need to get tested, they can't. It's not available to right and yet you got these highly paid athletes that are getting tested every week. You know and taken care of so speaking so. All the think, all the leaves are going to have to deal with that perception. You know of the spoiled. You know pro athlete whatever needs to get all that thing. But how important is that to this country that we play and I think it is very important I just think people want it and. One of those things you deal with, but that being able to control the environment, and then test and trace I think is critical as has been talked about Atlanta on TV. So the testing part of it I think the leagues are all prepared to do that once a week and like you said once somebody does. Give, then you have to trace back and find out then retest those people and. When you test test in the players you test in everybody from the groundskeeper managers and the office everybody that's involved, so you've got to keep them in a fish bowl and not let them with their families. You know they'll have to be sequestered somehow away from their families more than likely Yeah Yeah Internet brings up another question of noculars or or medicine treatment medicine. In this is kind of a historic issue for the NFL and other professional sports in situations like these. How do they not look insensitive? When they're going to take their group of guys in protecting, they're going to get the best of the best of everything from the nutrition aspect of it. To the medicine aspect of it in in the testing aspect of it. But how do you not looking sensitive if the rest of the public? Doesn't get that exact same thing I, mean they? They counted what over fifteen thousand deaths in perhaps more in New York City just because of this virus. Yeah the, but all athletes professionals as you know, you were one and your experiences. When when you had something wrong with you got it was done immediately. The you can get the best care by the best offer. Aware of that team was right, so that exists before corona. That already place, but now you've got people, but nobody suffered because of that, that's right. You know the trade out here is. Are they getting this at the expense of somebody? That's what I'd be concerned. That's exactly right. Yeah, you know if it isn't and it just part of being a professional. Athlete has just what happens. You know he's GonNa. Have to deal with it, but. To. Take away from somebody and then give the You know that's just not right, so they'll have to deal with the perception that and. It'd be hard for him, but it's I. think it's worthwhile. I, you know the testing will be more available as a weeks go on, I'm sure and the ability to trace this, and that's the only way to get through it I think yeah, in the League announced today in A. They've got different contingency plans. Moving forward for the season a depending on what happens because? Part of the country believes there's a second round, a second wave of the virus coming through, and that could be later on in the year once we and assuming we safely get past this one, but the League is talked about moving the Super Bowl to February twenty eighth, and it scheduled right now for February seventh Tampa, and perhaps which makes sense in some regards and nine now you're going to have a lot to say with this from a player's. Health and safety standpoint getting rid of the by weeks that that is an option there along with cutting two weeks in between the Conference Championship Games and Super Bowl, and maybe even cancelling the proble, which is to me a a bad deal anyway. I deal for a long time right right well. I think in order to have the season. You're going to have to you just going to have to deal with some of that and you're just GonNa have to accept it just like the Super Bowl that you were talking about that. We had with New England, that was supposed to be a two week. Week deal, but because of nine eleven. That's right, you know. They backed off that wake and we lost that other week of preparation, so we had just one week to get ready for the Super Bowl. You just deal with it. That's the cost of doom business basically in in this time with with these. You know these things going on so with the. Kobe, but I think probably the biggest issue is when will it start? Is it safe to start? You know and how it's going to start and have that all up ready to you I'm sure they're working like crazy on it now. I would imagine they're talking about season without anybody in the stands out. Thank anyway well. Yeah, that's that's one of the the deals I think that the Fosse laid out. In the only way. This can possibly work. Assuming everything else that set forth works to the T.. There will be a very little fans in the stands, if none at all in certain venues and so I. think that's that's something that everyone's talked about my. Can you actually have a productive off-season from a virtual standpoint? No I don't think so I think Shawn. Payne did the right thing just told skies. Hey, here's a workout. Go Do camp, you know. I. Don't know how that would possibly work I. It's just a control thing wrong to be honest with the coaches won't be acting controlled. Everything makes you. Guys are like kids between my kids. Sometimes it make sure down. You know they don't trust that. They're gonNA do the right thing and they want seeming evaluate in this hat thing well. It's not gonNA work. Here's your workout. You know we've got caught ups for you to look at and emulate these drills and you're out there. Entrust edge again. It's your career at some point. You've got to trust them, and you know I. Think I think what would be interesting for the commissioner to consider would. would be to bring in all these draft picks and first and second year players allow them to come in perhaps a week to ten days earlier and do some skill work without pads on trying to get them in line with what what's going to happen for them like the transition helped them through the transition, so they don't. They don't hit the ground when the best do and they're trying to figure things out, gives them a better chance, and you know making the team number one number two of making the transition I. I would hope that they would do that. You know wrong when you're playing. There did that. You remember they did They did that they would bring the slow quarterbacks. I wanted to come back, but they bring rookies and I your players in for about Oh. Yeah, yeah, once July fourth ended your summer was done, and you had to check in early and you know they bring in what? Rookies. At that time they use the term skill position, but that was running backs, receivers and quarterbacks right do some seven on seven stuff, but anybody who didn't have a to accrued seasons or something like that. Yeah, yeah, you have been the league been on practice squad. Boss. Ron Not made in didn't have an accrued seasons still be. Or if you were? A signee if you're a new to the club, you know from trade or whatever that is, so I think it's important I think it would help them without the off season, the buffer a week, or so where they commended be in the classroom and do some field work. I think it would only help them, and then when the vets come in. I can't imagine what it would be like to do. What my sons are doing like, I said they're both playing college football right now in not only do they have their online classes I? Mean they're blowing? Zoom up, but they're also having their meetings and I think the meeting time is taking over the classroom time. But everything is done online i. don't I don't know how effective clearly it's not the same thing we get that, but it's just a way to keep in contact. I guess keeping CON- keep them engaged in the sport. You know, keep your tension, which is real important. Yad interesting question from their wrong would be this. If this is effective to some extent, how much of this once we're through? The virus will will sports keep in other words? How much can be done online like that? Where they don't have to be there, you know what will be the carry over in all facets business for instance you know talking to some people run. They said you know that. They're on zoom and they're doing this and they've. They're figuring that. There's some the stuff that they do in the office they don't need to do. They can do from home, so yeah to me. Don't you think that's got chance of affecting everything well? No, what my wife you know she. She's an agent and she takes that and a half drive. If you can believe that into work every single day each way 'cause that's called La Traffic. And I was telling the other day, but you know it's interesting you. You have now freed up about three hours of work time because you're not in the car in. Yeah, you can roll calls. And she takes her calls and does all that, but it's not the same as when she's in the office, and like you, said I think some of these these businesses are going to figure out to whom I can send half the workforce home, and let them work remotely and everyone else that people really. Really need I can keep them in the building and I can still make money or even more money than I make before well. How about colleges how much of the general education you know when you have that biology class with hundred and fifty two hundred people in that big auditorium you know or whatever how many of those classes could really be taught online and I think they are right now in any right or does happen, but you know. Can you put the first two years of a young? person's education online completely and then into a major then go on site. And how much would that save? Costs and all the. It'll be interesting because we're through. This is going to impact our lives at every level. I'm sure yeah well. They're already trying to say that about the draft I I had. I had my issues with some parts of the draft. I still in in a lot of people have hit me up in emailed me and texting me wanting to know why. After every player was drafted in the first round, there was an horrific story. Ah, personal story in the form of a bio about that player. It seemed like he was either one of two things it was either the father had just died, or the mother and father had. And after a while that people said they got tired of it because they've gone through so much of this fifteen thousand plus deaths in the state of New York New York City and they wanna get away from that kind of mindset right now. They just want a breather I guess, and and I understand you're GONNA put up. What's True I? Get that, but it just felt like they were. On the negative side too much with that a lot of heartache in those productions, I kind of agree with you. There was some of that. Some of it was good. I thought there are a couple of stores that were. And Yeah and heartfelt, but yeah, they're tugging on your during a lot. I could see that I. Agree the only problem I have the draft and it just old old guy I guess is I've never felt comfortable going in somebody's living room. Somebody. I don't know and just watching them. You know I I just felt awkward a lot, are you? Really liked it. You know I don't I don't know I didn't feel comfortable with. Somebody in their living. You know and I don't know. It just didn't just didn't set well with me some, but that's just me. So, what do you say Mike you weren't comfortable watching? Mike variables son go to the bathroom in the door. In the middle of the first round. I miss. It was out. Happy formulas great, but anytime you go into somebody's living room that you don't know. It's always a little. Yeah I felt an easy a little bit, but. In. Seemed enjoy I think the reviews from what we really strong, but I was just a little I would have rather see them show more of the young man playing you know. And some of the background listened to that and. Some of the guys talking about then going into the room I guess, but maybe it made the NFL look more human in a weird kind of way. The one I can't remember the player. But the girlfriend is laying on the player's lap. This is after it's been announced. And she snuggled up nice and tight, and it was really a beautiful scene, but then the mom comes over, and she just starts pulling on her and tug and finally. She just like tossed her. Get up. I! Don't know I don't know what was going on. What that was about, but I'm sure there's a big story there somewhere. I just that whole thing. like I said it in. It's it's not. I'm sure everybody out there enjoyed that part of IT I. Yeah! Yeah, feel comfortable. The part that was on Carter was at the very end. The commissioner got little tired and he. He's waiting for Santa Claus you never game. Up He's back there. is, half crossed. Looks like he got tired. Waiting for Santa Claus. Eighty eight other cookie you drink milk, and in no sale clauses yeah, no Santa Claus Gold dejected. They look tired for sure well I knew. He was in trouble when he said how. He took a knee. Once he took the. List. When he went from the shirt and sweater to a T. shirt and jeans and took a knees. You knew breakfast, yeah! Yeah Yeah Well I. I've met Roger Couple Times. Obviously I know you have many times I. You know He. He's a nice guy to talk to. Greg gotTA talk to One. He knows all the BRO. Hugs, so that that's another big. Kudos for him, but I think they made him a an announcer. Not a commissioner in that was different form in it. I think at the end of the day not not that he doesn't speak in front of a lot of people in in all that he does that, but you realize this is a lot different when you're up here for three rounds instead of one round, yeah! Yeah He. I just think that you read a lot from the proper Cetera I I understand all that just rogers fun to talk to you very intelligent guy. Can well imagine no, so been kind of fun just to see him have a discourse here without having to read it, but that's. That's who he is I mean that's. He's a lawyer. And that's the league and you know it's. It was done well. They did everything Do what they did was a big chore. It was A. Took a big bite out of that now that was that was hard for them to do. And they pull it off. Will now who who's fooling? WHO Mikey e? You've been in this business a long time. And I've been this business a long time as well. The NFL at the end of the day is about making that dollar and I. We understand the sensitivity of Kobe nineteen, but I didn't think there is any way that they were going to not have that draft. Just like I. Don't think there's. That they're not gonNA have this season. Well! I agree with you I mean it's obviously big business, but you know when you look at the League itself. And the amount of money in the ripple effect you know whether's Vegas and the betting lines to. Asti football and you know all the people that you know. From television to actual game that people at the stadiums concessions hominy wise professional football effects financially you know dollars and cents wise, it's. username thing like it in the country especially betting lines. Yeah, exactly. Whose kid new I mean, that's that's. It's a business, but it's also the game I love. You love the game, too. So it has such an effect on the morale or the well of people you know. Anytime a team is in the playoffs that city. Just you've been in those towns. It's happening you. You've been around outwards. Just it's electric is different, and people afford to that diversion in their life. You know and I think it. We can't lucite. How important those types of things where the NBA Baseball Tennis! Whatever it is what the sport is! People need are like that diversion, escape and attachment to their team or whatever so I think, it's good. If we could get this done leaking, pull it off. And I think they can, but there's a lot of planning to go the biggest issue for me. Is You know these these players? If, they're going to be sequestered or if they're gonNA. Be With their families because our families equestrian. You know those kinds of things so. Professional Sports. You can contain it like I, said I always like you, said Ron I. I don't know how they're gonNA deal with that in. We talk about the NFL money. The College Money Mike is is just as lucrative in just as expansive and I saw an article the other day about the sec in what the SEC means in terms of money, not only to their conference, but to the entire NCAA. It's staggering. While the football playoffs look at the amount of money involved there and then just think of basketball and the you know. The file gunned down to the final four Warren. The national champions for both the purser for both those just gigantic, and that's know obviously TV revenue. So you know it's lost money. Yeah, yeah, well. The takeaways a school back strap. When wrap this up here the takeaways. From, the draft and I'm never been a big. Come out with that article. Every Mondays in the winners and losers, the winners and losers. Who who I WANNA knew who the guys claiming. The winners and losers are didn't spend the last three months studying every player in the NCAA. Yet you know that's such a hard thing to pick up and read the next day coach because you know generally speaking you get the guys that you want you know there's. You'RE NOT GONNA draft. Somebody that you didn't fall in love with someplace on that board. You know terms of their value in their needs so. I think what people do day over. Analyze everything you know. Of course. They get paid to do that too so. They put a value and here's our needs. It didn't meet their needs like they should have well. That's how you see there needs. They not see these like that so. I think that yet be careful. A time will tell on that. There will be a fourth or fifth round, or even seven to hundred who knows there might six quarterback out there. It becomes a hall of Famer you know so. Who knows in five years from now we'll have a much better idea now. Certainly some of these. The draft was really strong and first and second round saw stronger. It's I've ever seen a I think it'll be a lot of players making media impact. I think that'll be fun to see. How do you know if a quarterback is the quarterback? Boy That's an interesting question. It takes a lot of time to answer that you you'll know. There's first of all to me. This guy and this is what earnings MP's told me three things in new value in quarterback resume accuracy number one. You know intelligence and other words. When he said intelligence this now smart is as much as ability, retain information, and then take something see it in racked were quickly without having to think about it, then toughness being on the field, physically tough, and then emotional Thomas, which comes down to leadership and to me the biggest thing about that guy better be the best leader on your football team. Stand on satellite next year. You know and you know you get all these talented guys and they never. Realized completely well there somewhere in there. There's a disconnect whether they're. They just can't read Iraq as quickly as you like them to or. They just don't have that competitive. They're not as competitive as you thought they were, but if you don't have one of those. If you're not strong all three categories, you'll be hit or miss guy. You gotta be strong in in all three meaning, you gotta be a an eight type guy. All of those right well. Yeah, and the accuracy thing is first and foremost, because he can't throw Ernie, she's always say. And he can't throw for me to be. He's not accurate. You know and he always felt like you can't. Some God, gave you obviously and. you know that was always what he was looked at first and foremost, and then he would you know you look at all the other things but. I think know all these clubs running. You know this you know. They'll have fifty things to evaluate on a quarterback in most of us just fluff, but yeah, there's so much money involved now so much attention you know there's gotta be gimmicks or reason why or analysis of and stats numbers on everything. You know when it comes right down to it, you know. Is the accurate you now. Is Smart Enough? Guys had that that quick twitch mentally. Tough guy that's it. Oh, boy, that now that last one you just mentioned. That's the one that I think. They forget about a lot that toughness. Well they they do, and and I think that we're talking about being able to take. A beating in the media and just emotional beating and be resilient and come back and. The quarterbacks I really enjoyed working with the most of those guys have been kicked around, and and then they decided that they were just not going to be denied. You know. Kurt Warner Green. Mark Bolger John Kit those are the kinds of guys that like because they are so motivated and Ron. You know good quarterbacks come in all shapes and sizes. You drew brees to the six foot, six guys and you know they're just. Uh speeds and all arm strengths, and you know this guy doesn't have a strong enough armel now. Wait wait a minute now you know he gets the ball out. Anticipates thrown his accurate. It's plenty strong. You know so. You know he can't throw it over thirty yards, but. You know that's it's an oversimplification. I know, but those three things are in granite in terms of identifying a good quarterback. Who who surprised you the most when you when you went to look at him? Maybe he didn't think he was going to be worth much, or maybe he thought he was going to be much better. Sean Hill Yeah had them at San. Remember him. Yeah and Sean you know. Mike Nolan Ryan went there. He said you know. Mike is GONNA. Look good in practice, but he's going play. He's GonNa. Play really good, and you know we. We had a little back. Controversy there to some extent shot ended up before I got there fishing season as the starter and yeah, but anyway we got going the season, and and we had to make a change here. We weren't doing very well, we will. Shawn and Shawn did not practice well now. You know he he just missed easiest rose, and it was very frustrating for me because I'd as I'd never experienced that. You know you practice while you play well. Grounded that okay, though is that okay, if guy because I think, Jake degrom had a little of that him. He never look good in practice. Guys don't look good in practice they they blow this blow. That can they really turn it on in the game or Sean Hill did? He did he's the only player I've ever been around like that. And A and a players warmed up to him because of that and I just think that during the week Kirk on Wednesdays it take the game plan. Go out there, and you look at it, practice you think oh man. He has not going to do well this week then Thursday. He looks pretty good. Friday he looked amazing. Just kind of how but There's a psyche there for your team, too, and that quarterbacks practicing good during the week there's a conference at Bills Net group to. Yeah. Now this kid Joe Borough okay. I don't know how much film you've had a chance to look at on him. What are your early takeaways on him? I really liked Joe. I think he's probably as good as a number of them among the last few years. I think joe his anticipation what he sees just remember. We're talking about those three things smarts intelligence that's he has added that football acme. He can see it Iraq immediately and not just react with, but make good decisions. He makes all the throws. He really throws a good ball. He can make throws off-balance. He's good under pressure. In other words, he's got guys. He can make the difficult throwing. Get hit and standing there and do that. tall guys athletic enough and he's that guy. You know you're go and he. He was kind of a guy and offset. He came out of nowhere. It had this great year. So that goes back to that toughness to he's. He's road this thing in his career and. You know he's determined to get it done. There's not anything about him that I don't like. I and I think what they did with them. Football wise was further along the curve. The most teams in college is more geared towards the NFL so his transition. I think will be relatively easy, not that being said he's at Cincinnati, so I'm not sure what their roster is how they can help him, but. You know just ask Troy. First Year on a team. That's not very good is not allowed. Yeah, we played against him on that first year. They were not the cowboys it went onto. We went three super bowl. I'll tell you. That was that was very different as talking to John Kinna one day this production meeting up in Detroit when you were there and. He. Said so what does Mike Bring that you really like? He's first of all I got a guy who finally take his foot off the brake. referencing other coaches and next, he said I gotTA. Push the ball to feel I can't be scared and I've never had a coach. Talk to me about not playing scared, and I don't think people think of quarterbacks is being like that, but I wanted your quarterbacks to not play scare. Ron Off. quarterbacks is specially if if it's a defensive head coach, all quarterbacks are told a very young age. What not to do, don't throw it here. Don't throw interceptions. Don't don't don't don't don't so what happens you get all these guys that are cautious and they play cautious and they won't turn loose and. You know you've got I'd rather have that guy that feels. They can make any throw anytime anywhere. He can do it. You can back him up. And Create? It's hard to create that so. John had been beat up so bad about making not making mistakes. You right, so yeah I his first plag- and tell you what it was. It was four twenty eight. We're on right. Has she threw a dig and a look there and I see this dig. It's common, open and often the balkis check down to the back. Making him back home. Also who? What are you doing? I said I completed. You had some words for him. I can't repeat, but no. No, that's not what we do so call simplysafe I. don't care what what you see what she's throat to that guy on the day. He said well the Linebacker, so what you look at the linebacker for. The whole, there's a whole fuel linebacker we. Looking at all these defenders throat, get your is where you want. Throw it in the whole and get up there, so he can backing nail. Let me look at me and. Our relationship changed from that point on then. He really trust what you ask them to do. Yeah, yeah, when you say guys have been taught for so long. Don't turn the ball over, but you didn't want to give up great plays in. Your earnings MP Z. and SID Gillman background. You are going to give up. Vertical passing plays in big plays for the sake of completion percentage just about everything in our playbook when he comes back there if he's got shut down the field, we wanted yeah. Analyze. Good decision, but you know obviously he's GonNa. Make some mistakes, too, but that's how you and then what happens. You energize your guys because everybody's a plan now. All the positions are playing. You know they're all involves someone. They all know they can get the ball at any time, and it just takes on a different persona for that football team we'll. That's what you guys had at the rams and I remember one particular game if someone said okay. Give me a game that personifies and typifies what the greatest show on turf really was. It would be the game you guys played. The Minnesota Vikings I think it was the first round. The playoffs I can't remember which were like goes ninety nine. Ninety nine first playoff game in Saint, Louis History at Saint Louis. That's right in now. The narrative was. Well, the rams had a great year, and now they they have the week off. You had a bye week. And all week long people have been telling them how great they are. The national media has been in town guys. It never had an interview in their life or getting interviewing interviewed all of that stuff now. The LA train jumped on the Hollywood. Train jumped back on, so all that stuff was going on, but you guys were GONNA get upset and surprised by a veteran, cagey coach, in in Dennis screen, so and they remember this distinctly sitting in the meeting with Madden and summerall and John said you know what. This is going to be interesting to see if the rams still keep their foot on the gas in play like they've been playing with this break and I I actually thought I actually thought I said there's no way these guys are going to do what they've been doing to people because you were you guys were embarrassed and people. You people look. They'd never even played football before they just got. Picked up from another country or something so I'm thinking to myself, I remember. The balls backed up on the twenty. You're twenty, maybe even maybe even fifteen something like that I play the game I play. The game came with a play action. and Kurt Warner threw that ball up the field, and as I just incompetent soon as the ball is is gone. Turn and look to see where it's going to see. If someone's open, so I could get ahead of it. You know in in terms of a call. And I saw Isaac had turned somebody around, and I said Oh. My Gosh in the crescendo of noise started to pick up in the Dome, the ball he caught the ball, took it in in the roof, blew off. That dome and the Vikings should've just got on the plane and went home right then because they were never in the game again. You know we practice that. When we're in that formation, they they would get in a particular defenses. An adjustment to that formation brought her so. We felt like if we got we got an F formation, and they did what we thought they do. Go ahead and run. It worked out, but in preface to that whole thing happened there. Wish met all that time trying to encourage these guys how good they really are! And at that point when we're GONNA town off sudden not to be that good. They not very. Well No, they they did and that's. The whole point so when they came in everybody's concerned by getting a big head. In No. That's that's what we're headed for. That's what we want I see, I see yeah, we want. To believe that they were the best ever that nobody divert. We lined up on the field on the other side. You know and. We kept that and pound and pound that you know there's a you plays gives. You can play nobody nobody can play with you. And that's what we kept trying to get across to them and Fortunately, they were good enough, and they did believe that so, and that's where they were. Yeah? Yeah I'll never forget that that play, though because that play just was a stamp of. It was confirmation it was. Oh, you guys! The country of the writers. You guys actually thought that we were GONNA miss misstep. Run of. Yeah Right. You're lead up in three tight. Man I said Oh. My Gosh Jim Hansen are lying coats of course in. In Jim was married to. You know the way things were done in the past, you know. Old School right so he wanted to run power and rent power one more time this. So anytime we come back out and and you on the board with the different runner, new idea or something like that. Every in the room was kind of excited when we talk about all times, staff and Jam would say well. You know this can go wrong not. As just dominion. You're scared. You're scared you. Think. That would get. Together at all laughing, but that was a deal. We used to say every time. We want like the ninety flip thing that we had. you know we created June Jim that now. It's high school and he fought it and you fly because A. We didn't practice seem to work and it ended up being fine, but. We're used to tease each other, and they tease me to somebody. Come up with an idea. Anisette is coaches scared that kind of thing so. We always use that with players and coaches. You know to not put your foot on the brake, and if if you can coach it if it makes sense, if it sound, why wouldn't you run it? You know I learned from nervous, nor nor y'all time foot and Appel now. That's an inch. I can remember working for he's time as we come on a game and run a triple reverser double reverse in the first play the game and my also be sweating, you know. I know you got a a pretty good Jim Hannifin story. Somewhere and I I've heard that there's. A deal with a rental car at an airport that he left running somewhere. Do you talk about that? Oh, there's so many of those stories. There's so major Athens stores I mean this. This is about ten ten segment or a ten week deal for Jim Yeah. Yeah, yeah I think in those days. You just pull your car up and and. A right next to the airport and some small airports in you can park it and you walk in while he will get right, and he just got his bags and opened the door to door was open. He went and got on the plane left before you had to secure the cars out there in the front runner with the door left rental. Car read out the front. And? The players, the players just adored him. You know they had those donuts. donuts what he called crispy. Yeah. Yeah, so they. The dolphins alignment would make the young often slimane bring like A. Sex doesn't seem to every morning that they had enhanced. He would always take a if there's cookies out there. He always take a half one and leave half like he wasn't gonNA. Come Back Yard Guy Yeah. He's that guy, so he took a half a doughnut right, so they took the machines. Stick the players. Put Your hands in the hot wax. You know yeah, the paraffin wax wax you, so. They took some donuts and they stuck it in there. and. They put it on his play. Other. All I'd have heard this. How old sterkel so the players you know? They're they're. Like a bunch of kids you, so he. He's right in his dialogue. He's putting in the game plan. He's got the lights out. He's shown the opponent on the film. Each taking these not just costs down like nothing. And, so Adam term in the guard was all over his head coach. How'd you like? Those donuts is good you. Bother mentally, you know he's just motored. Right through it. You know he didn't even realize. That old school! So those are the guys that used to watch the eight millimeter film and didn't use a takeup reel. It all fall on the ground, but don't touch it. Will Really. Right. Oh Man. Free Agency is upon us, and there's been some exciting moves. There's a couple of guys still lingering out there like Cam. Newton, and so on so forth Jameis Winston reportedly is close to a deal maybe with the saints, and it could happen any second now, but Tom Brady is Mike obviously the biggest story of the off season. He is an interesting. He went down to Tampa Bay and I know. He called them I I just think that the whole situation down there for him with Bruce Errands. Comparable. He for what he's done in his life in football, he was gonna go some place where the weather is good in that somebody that he could trust, and that relationship would be good, and if there was ever one of those guys at birth, you know, he's a wonderful guy. Wonderful Coach and In he I think he felt comfortable to that. They do everything they can to help him in terms of players so. Even on the outside, it may not a look like It was logical or head scratcher for everybody I think the primary deal. There was his relationship with coach. And of course you know the weather I'm sure was to some extent I. Don't know any of those things. This is just a guess. Do you think he was tired of. The. Grind. I'm not sure I know what the bill checked. Grind is I've I've heard people talk about it I just. You know maybe he was. Lower leary sal, we say, of of maybe what his future was there and there is I. Don't know. And? Sometimes you just need to change and he wants. Keep. Planning was forty two years old. That's that's amazing that he's still planning forty two so. You can understand why New England was ready to move on. He's forty two years old. No matter what he's done. He's still forty two years old so. We'll see. It'll be interesting to see what happens in Tampa Bay. Yeah well one thing for sure is, he's getting close to the end, and like like you say maybe he just wants to. To enjoy the the last few years his way well, he'll he. He's such a competitor now. That's the concentrate you were talking about those three things. Yeah, yeah, he's got high marks in all three of those things the competitive part of it. The the only thing that bothers me Ron is I. Watch him just in the last year. He has noticeably slowed down with his legs. I think his ability to get out of the way and the rush in time. Thanks, it's still take hidden all that. At. He knows that, too. He just can't. He can't get alloway as fast as it used to. And that's a bad thing for quarterbacks you know and that's. I'm. Just. He's definitely slowed down so hopefully it won't be detrimental. He's got a good group of receivers air with the Mike, Williams air, and Godwin and now his boy Gronk is down near with them. So yeah, you know one of those things to Rondos when you when you have a core back like that. When you have a lot of tied into, you can use them and protection I'm more time, and then those tight end things are lot shorter throws quicker throws, so you managed the game a little bit differently, too when you have more tight ends. We'll keep an eye on it. That should be interesting. Will Mike that's it man? That's our at show number one. Oh a cats! That time went fast, didn't it? It'll be fun and I can't wait till next time. Ron Pitts marts. Run it again podcast A. we're just two old pros. The teachers finger. We'll see you next.
'Boys and Girl - Earl Thomas Watch; Ex-Cowboys QB Coach Jon Kitna Talks Dak, Garrett Era Ending; Trainer Brandon Tucker on Aldon Smith, Trysten Hill Turnarounds
"Take Carlos Watson I'm hosting a primetime talk show guess what I'm not a white guy named Jimmy Hey with a global pandemic historic recession. Racial. Justice Protests Twenty twenty not joke. We need something more than late night comedians helped make sensitives craziness. Welcome to the Carlos Watson show look it's going to be brand new deep conversations with everyone from alcon. Glad. Well, Paris, Hilton back again, join me Carlos Watson on the Ozzy Youtube Channel or listening to the podcast version on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever else you listen. In nineteen eighty-three Diane downs shot her three children killing one and severely injuring the others she showed up for her trial pregnant. Now, nearly forty years later that child Becky? Babcock is on a journey to explore her connection with her mother's violent past. Listened to happy face present to face on the iheartradio. APP Apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. Hello Boys and girls welcome in to the boys and girl podcast with cowboys network reporter Jayne Slater and NFL network producer Bobby Bell. Cowboys community with the inside scoop on the Dallas Cowboys. Now coming straight to you from the lone star state, here's Jane and Bobby. Bobby is the story line that keeps on giving Ed I need giving me grief as it relates to earl. Thomas. If you've been following this as a cowboys fan I know many have oral Thomas released from the Ravens were conduct detrimental Ed's I think the important piece of all this he was voted off the island by his teammates, not dissimilar to what we are seeing happened in. SEATTLE. I tell you my interactions with him at pro bowl actually after watching him walk into the cowboys locker room. I was the craziest thing I've ever covered I remember calling my assignments desk and saying you guys have got to see what I just saw. Earl Thomas in a Seattle Jersey pads pants, following the players into the locker room after the of eliminated them at home at at&T. Stadium was that decks rookie our full Kim's. That was the year with all the drama because. They were eliminated from the playoffs saddled here they were he walks in. And I just thinking to myself on the one hand disappointment that the cowboys didn't throw him out of the locker room. I thought. Where's the leadership here? And then The fact that he said in front of our cameras and get me and then I'm thinking he's just obviously a. Moment of. Losing his mind bit. He's pressed in the locker room and keep in mind. Seattle is just beat the cowboys and he's in that locker room telling reporters. He wants the cowboys to come get him and then so fast forward to pro bowl. He tells me he's not coming back to Seattle unless they pay them, and then the cowboys in good faith tried to go get him. Didn't happen, and then he ends up taking the money. The big issue for the cowboys all along has been the price tag a right now that price tag is somewhere around ten million dollars and so. I've got a couple of things to say about this bobby one what message does it send to that cowboys locker room if the cowboys find the money for a guy like Earl Thomas who's been voted off the island twice but you can't find the money for debt Prescott I think it sends a terrible message. Yes the cowboys could certainly use help safety but I do believe them when they say that the young guys are coming on and this is a new defensive system. I, mean we were just. WE'RE GONNA be talking here with Brandon Tucker expensive line coach talked about even just seeing development from Tristan Hill under the new system. It's a clean slate for a lot of these guys. I don't know if I think adding Earl Thomas to the mix is the best possible thing and I will tell you this my sources on getting mixed messages on this thing on the one hand. Absolutely not in fact, one said fake news then I circle back today and it was sort of work were grinding here. We're still grinding what does that mean another person says Were nothing's happening? Nothing's happening because the price tag is ten million dollars. If that price tag was to come down, he did a one year deal and the cowboys were able to protect themselves a deal very similar. Everson Griffen type. Deal. Alden Smith. The cowboys are in the business these days of Gitten team friendly deals done I. think it's outside of the possibility but I have been saying this and maintaining this that number is just too high but my watch continues it's interesting because you know when earl watch was initially going on starting at the end of two thousand, seventeen into you know twenty eighteen with the bow towards the cowboys sideline after two interceptions and all the flirtation after that and the very. Public desire from earl to come into the cowboys or my when that was going on I was talking to somebody who was aware of everything that. Goes on in Seattle and has a pretty good grasp on things in Dallas and you know there's been discussion this week about how how there's a lack of music the lack of music practice from previous years with Jason, Garrett and I remember when talking about Earl Thomas this person said, yeah that that music at practice that goofing off a practice like I don't know that you guys WanNa Roll Thomas like that's that's combustible because he he's not somebody who's GonNa play around He. He's very intense he he's a very intense personality not everybody gets along with them because of it and. You hear you and I both here, varying things about him that some people interpret his personality. That's passion. That's drive. That's the guy you want on your sideline and other people just write it off as like he's kind of a jerk I mean, there are some people who just can't interpret it other than that way for themselves and I think there's an important distinction you made here because cheer point you and I talked to a lot of people I went to Texas right? So I know a bunch of people that. Interact with him I have talked to both teams in the past about him. This. Is Not a guy where everyone was freaking out about Everson Griffen if you've listened Everson Griffin, this is a guy that was literally named after Everson Walls. He wants to be a cowboy. He feels like he's already been buying into this system right and then you talk to teammates they literally told me he was the MVP of the locker. They loved this guy. So whatever issues he had was not related to a lack of respect for his teammates or the locker room. We've heard the narrative about does being combustible and terrible team not true. You saw the players when that came out on my own network fell network sort of made a remark that he wasn't a good teammate his own team former teammates re tweeted that and said. To the effect you weren't amazing team of Zeke Adak are not going to be working out with. With dozen the off-season like we saw was such a terrible team around. Alden Smith They talked about how combustible he was the San Francisco. We've alluded to this. There was a lot going on within data locker room as it related to his teammate. Eight teammate which leads you see this is a whole different bag of tricks and as a matter of fact, Mike Silver, my colleague. NFL. Network dropped some some truth. On Monday's show. Here's what was going on with the Ravens lately Wa- enter. This goes back to the beginning of his tenure with the Ravens because it was bad last year too. He was late he missed meetings they warned him after he got fined repeatedly look at some point. This is going to be conduct detrimental, which would affect your contract that was last year, and then things picked up right where they left off at this training camp and not in a good way a couple of days before the altercation would shut Clark he had complained that he needed more time between practices and meetings and then explained that he was late to meetings because he had to get his car wash that day which so creative. Interpretation of that so. Things were bad and then he blew a red zone assignment in practice on Friday. And his teammate chuck. Clark reacted emphatically throwing his helmet was upset Earl Thomas Essentially said, hey, it's cool and Chuck Clark said no, it's not cool. You need to go to meetings and walk through and maybe he'll get it. So that's how the fight started but you're right Andrew this was a longtime brewing and Not a good situation from the start. So look arguably one of the best safeties in the game. Mike McCarthy keeps talking about they want best players available. He's certainly one of them but I think you're seeing a real pumping of the breaks here in Dallas because of all the things that we've talked about that's Jerry alluded to the other day he wants to find out who your neighbor was when you were eleven years old, he can. Jerry's done even more legwork than we have as it relates to his personality and then let's not forget some of the stuff that we saw. This off season as it related to the Kobe Party and the drama with his wife and I look. It's separate from football, but my point is there stuff going on with him right now and Wile I. Definitely think he's always wanted to be in Dallas and I think a lot of fans would love to see him here I certainly always maintained he would upgrade this defense. He'd be an amazing edition of the secondary I. Think he's just in a space right now. That perhaps does not make sense for the cowboys to Adam, not only that it becomes series got to go through testing protocols. He's missed training camp He hasn't had an opportunity Gel with the system and then I don't even know if he'd be he's GonNa. Certainly missed the blue white scrimmage game. If they signed him this week I, don't know no and I think that. Who Wherever Earl Thomas Lands up. We saw this a little bit with an that's compare all of these people to each other at all. But you know we see a little bit that. You know. Antonio Brown and Pittsburgh. was. A delicate balance and as soon as he left what they had developed in terms of structure over there there were issues elsewhere and you know you see that as much as people thought Tara loans was was loud friend of the show here. Tarallo and much people thought he was he was loud in San, Francisco and stuff. There were bigger chemistry problems. They thought they saw after he left San Francisco and it. Feels like I think that there are certain dynamic personalities are certain personality types in the NFL that they fit only within certain structures they're not for everybody they're not cookie cutter and can go at any locker room. It's not one size fits all their special circumstances and locker room chemistry where you can plug in an Earl Thomas or an Antonio Brown or or something like that, and so I think for the cowboys. Late to practice condense because he had to wash car I I'm not. I'm not defending anything to be honest. There's a of me that wonders says, my conspiracy theory take we seen a lot of players do this reversing? Jackson we saw it in Jacksonville Little Jalen, Ramsey know. You provoke not enough. They trade share you get out of your contract now in this situation. He's going to be follow. Grievance was the conduct detrimental enough for them to not pay him it's certainly very risky play. If you want to get out of a contract and you're hoping Dallas, will still pick you up sure and I think Dallas. But it just feels like if you it's almost like you're deliberately poking the bear is what it felt like. And so again, that's my conspiracy theory I. Don't know that for a fact, but it certainly feels like you're poking the bear to get out of the deal I think the thing that we can both agree on is. The question for the cowboys won't be the tape I mean he's certainly probably not quite the same player he was when he was you know five consecutive pro bowls in Seattle but I do think that the bigger question for Dallas where they would probably have to weigh as a the financials like you mentioned be even if that the financials were right would be. What does this do chemistry wise. Especially, team that seemed to have chemistry issues last year I you know that was seemed to be the main thing that held them back. That they need to look at it and go. Okay. Is this a a situation where again not to compare who they are off the field but is this a situation where we're injecting a greg hardy into the locker room where there's talent there and it fits something that we really need. But this is going to really screw with some chemistry or this is not going to be a locker fit so I think the question for the cowboys is not is he talented enough to start here is he talented enough for us to pay the money that it's going to cost. It's more. Is this going to ruin? A broader level than just you know the safety spot, will he have a negative impact and it feels like this group is really gelling in a short amount of time mean this is one of the best locker rooms that I've been around you and I have talked about it's sort of started with. Dak. Prescott. Rookie year, the guys were so young they came in, they galvanized together and the fact they all really bought in to this idea of quarantining at the Hotel Mike Question Right now is would world do that? He can't even show up to practice on time because his getting his car wash is more important to him. He's not learning the defense which is infuriating his teammates who are again saying like look man, we've got a short training camp it's condense we need you to be locked in. Can you trust a role at this point? That's what I'd be thinking if I was the cowboys right now and some of these players guests you want the best players available. Yes. You want a guy like Earl Thomas is he the oral Thomas that everyone is hoping they're going to get or easy this oral Thomas that certainly didn't pan out for the ravens the way they thought it would. Think. How much money they spent? On the possibility of him being the oil they thought he would and he wasn't yeah and I I mean like we say there's varying degrees of of reviews on him. You take a John Harbaugh type of who knows what it takes to win a super has done that and there's a lot of strong leaders there and they seem to kind of be all together and saying we want earl gone but then you look. At other guys who came out to Shawn Watson and Richard Sherman and others who after said, I've never known to be anything other than great and I love her all and I'd do anything to play with them. Well okay. Sherman played with fair to Sean as it Nope then to be fair also what people may not realize to Sean and Earl Sharon agent and so that's also probably partly at play but there is Sean would know earl because of that and would have some firsthand experience but I think that's the thing I think there's going to be varying reports about him and that would just be. The thing that would have to evaluate is do we trust that he'd be a good fit here? DOES HE WANNA be a cowboy bad enough that maybe we can work through some other issues or or things like that but I mean I. Wanted to be a cowboy bad enough bobby. He would've taken more of a hometown discount. Sherbina. On the table, a couple of years ago. He's eighteen million dollars richer though so maybe he feels like. A couple of dollars I'm talking about when he went to the Ravens, I'm not talking about the offered up a trade but. To me, you're motivated by money or location if you like for instance I, love the NFL network I'm probably going to give them a discount to stay with them as opposed to going somewhere else. He didn't do that. He didn't want to stay somewhere go somewhere. I didn't he that he? Took a discount but now that he's gotten that that money now that he got the signing bonus and the one year contract, he says, okay I can afford to take a little bit of a discount because I've gotten a a nice chunk of cash already from stuff. And it would be a brilliantly finessed moved to go get your money somewhere else when your grievance go to the team that you wanted to go to all along and then still get paid somewhere. Else it is. It would it would be a power myth. A lot of respect for it. I mean it's a you know. In terms of that and I respect I know in terms of I gotta respect the plotting I have an appreciation for the grand scheme, I don't think it's by a little biased because I'm so over it and that's the thing I don't think it's quite i. don't think the situation is quite to that level. I think what you had was I think he was happy to be. In Baltimore, he seemed very happy to be there last year. I think things have just fallen apart and we've heard a lot of things about issues with Thomas some of it. You know the the issue with the police being called his home that was reported over the off season and some of these other issues and so I got some things that he needs to work on her personally. As a Texas Alumna and a massive fan of Earl Thomas as a player. I. Would Love to see all of that happened for him I just covering this team. Knowing. Some of these guys in this locker room I just don't know if he makes the most sense right now feud asked me a couple of years ago. Throw the money out of him. Of course, make it happen cowboys, make it rain I think right now you've got to be really really careful with us. We'll drop the Earl Thomas discussions since I know you're tired of it but we got two guests today brandon. Going to be talking about this for the next week or so buying Brandon Tucker from trench warfare training will get to hear later and then we'll kick off today with a former cowboy's quarterback coach John Kitten. Was May nineteenth nine thousand nine hundred eighty three in Springfield Oregon in the middle of an otherwise peaceful cool spring night a car arrived at McKenzie. Willamette Hospital Diane downs and her three children had been shot. Cheryl seven was dead and Danny three and Christie eight her life threatening injuries a year. Later Diane herself was found guilty for the shootings. In the eighties. This was a shocking headline story of fatal attraction. Authorities believed Diane's infatuation with a married man. WHO said he had no interest in being a father to anyone's children was the possible motive behind her shooting her three kids one year later at her trial she was pregnant. That child was becky. Babcock. For years becky tried to come to terms with who were mother is but one mystery has haunted her. Who is her biological father? She's I call Jackpot match. Did you find Becky's biological father join me as we search for the answer and explore Becky's and her mother's passed on this season of happy face present to face listen on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows. I'm Holly Sign. Together we're exploring the margins of history and specifically at the intersection of history and true crime. Welcome to the criminality podcast. Our first season of the show is all about lady poisoners history has not been kind to ladies. Women have been marginalized. They've been vilified falsely accused and often just plead misunderstood time and time again. But sometimes women take power for themselves and sometimes they do it through murder. Some of these women absolutely were guilty, but some of them were probably criminals with that was not the case and all of them were viewed through societies lenses sitting at this intersection of being both killers and the fair sex but how many were just misunderstood. Listen to criminally on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts for wherever you get your podcast. Joining us now is former NFL quarterback former Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks, coach, Jen current head coach, and Athletic Coordinator at Burleson High School John Kitten coach getting. How're you do really well, thank absolutely, thanks so much for joining us here. So first question for you I know everybody knows you're over there now at Birla listen and you have currently on the schedule a an opener on September eleventh against as. Are you guys preparing if that game's going to be played? How optimistic are you about the season and I guess what kind of challenges are you getting thrown your way in this Kovic era with your first year coaching their Bir- listen yeah. Well, first of all the schedule has changed I. Mean I think we've had Ford reschedules already show. You know the U I O of pushback really the start date for five as six say push does back to try to to help the bigger ISD's Houston, Dallas and stuff to. Get. Through some of the the spikes they were seen in the summertime. So we won't actually star season until start. Our first game won't be till September twenty four or actually it's a Thursday were playing are crosstown rival. was like nine years ago they split the high schools here. And Burleson centennial in High School Playing Cowboys Stadium on twenty four to September. So our kids excited that. We haven't got the start. Actual football prices with helmets in tackling dummies and stuff like that yet. But. We've been working pretty hard and. The everything has been a obviously everybody's life has been disrupted by this and I think it's been pretty cool thing to be honest because I feel like. You know I think it's given a lot of people a better perspective of what's really important and I, think it's I think there's been things that we've gotten better at I. Don't think that this is good for everybody I'm that's not what I'm saying but not I believe in you know. Life is how you respond to. The events to happen to end up for us that's kind of what we've been plowing through You know the Cova Shutdown, get the start up our June eighth. On that day. One of our players one of our most beloved players, one of our better better best players. That night was killed in a car accident. and. I really rocked our community. A lot of ways but it also Jerusalem closer as well. So we've gone through a lot of stuff. But our kids been grinding away added in really after. Last ten weeks or so and? Then we start school next week. So things are going pretty well while and I know a lot of people know that you before you got working with the cowboys and before this job Burleson that you had done high school coaching before and one of the guys I'm just curious about and I'm sure you've been asked about a lot is Jalen rigor who I know you coached at Walks Achy first round pick of the eagles how worried should cowboys fans v about him being in the division the next few years he's a really good football player for the day first day I saw him I'll never forget it. You know we loaded up our RV and travel down here and big I. was there two days I my son organized the throwing session. A couple coaches were just sitting there watching from the stands in we saw jalen routes as he at that time us some. Of his sophomore, year and. It was just stuff that he did that is hard to find people even in the NFL that do it in terms of. His detail rows in how he got his shoulders over his toes and was able to get in and out of his brakes he caught everything with the sand so. Immediately that day I was like man, we have some special here and so he's go football player he's GonNa. You know. I really believe he's going to have one of those careers that is. You know will push him towards one of being in football player for a long time. So. He's in a right even right place out there in Philly? Carson going into fifth year I believe. You know that staff does a great job of using. All the strengths that people have and. The thing about him is a lot of people feel like he's he's probably just a slot receiver. That's not true. He can play any one positions. One of the things that he I know took personal offense to I guess a little bit from some of the draft community was they were talking about his hands that he didn't. He doesn't necessarily have consistent hands but it doesn't seem like you buy into that. Yeah. You know that the draft in in the the all that process is a tough process. Really. They're looking for reasons looking for. Why you shouldn't be the guy as opposed to. He has great hands I don't I don't ever remember him in school dropping balls I mean we go weeks without a ball hitting the ground in practice He's just he's an amazing football player his hands are not an issue is speed is not an issue is competitive is not an issue. There's zero issue with the kid what was it like working with Dak Prescott what stood out about him in areas that you thought not only that improved on but that he really developed under your guidance there with the cowboys big thing that stood what what was it like? I think that's your first question was like working with that. When I got when I got down to the pro bowl last year Jason said, come down here hang out with us and and got the talking to the coaches that Ron Staff? Every coach to a man. Like. You'll never be around somebody like that back. Prescott is what they kept saying and it was like almost too good to be true and and and then from the time that I met him until you know even today we tax stuff he just constantly looking for how he can improve at everything not just football leadership you know how he takes care of his body. His own life this everything about him is. I said this I've said this many times. I just there's a lot of people that. Do. Great do well. There's very few people that are constantly trying to improve. And that's who he is. Always is you know what's the next thing? How can I get better? What can I do to get better? So as a coach as a coach that's challenging because you just get the roll the ball out there. Okay. We're GONNA go to our everyday drills. There has to be a purpose behind it. He's going to challenge you on it in in coach in him you know there'd be timing. You know I'm Green Film on Monday. We lost a game or whatever, and I'm saying man you played really good and he Sent him the grades or whatever we talk about him he's like. You know I appreciate how your gray me but I don't think your grammy hard enough. And Nashes, who he is and show it was a ton fun. I learned a lot And I think that's who he is. He's going to be one of the best to play the game for a long time. Do. You understand the criticism about his play having worked with him and been in the quarterback room with him and. Get to your point. This is a guy that continues to want to improve. Do you understand some of the criticism that's out there about him some people that still just don't feel like he is the guy for Dallas. Is Your Dallas Cowboys quarterback. We talked about that a lot in our room. In the offseason last year is just it's part of the deal. When you're a Dallas Cowboy quarterback you don't win championships is not good enough period in that. Just sit in a it's a great. It's the ultimate team game. But. I think that is so comfortable in his own skin he's so grounded. With with the people that he has around him. That stuff doesn't faze him. He knows nobody's harder on him than him but. The reality is. It's tough to play in this league as well as he's played for last four years that's hard to do and and he continues to do it continues to rise So. You know the criticism, there's just certain people is never going to be good enough and. And served people that maybe don't think he's authentic I don't know that's on them though. Is Too bad. You know that that that they feel that way about him but In Dallas Cowboy quarterback is championships or you're not good enough. You know coach getting I. Know You're relatively new to the twitter saying what you guys can follow him on twitter at coach J. Kit but twitter is really wear that kind of what Jane's referencing there. That little bit of Nastiness about you know Dax not good enough really comes from and I you know I try to champion the the Dax Brigade on there and you can see over my shoulder here I'm naming my next child Luca Prescott belt then so that's after and Luka there. But with the most common, what is you really can't boards anything statistically about him anymore you can't point to things about his career achievements that you can say he falls short. and. There's all this objective evidence now that runs counter to the argument that Dak Prescott is not a franchise quarterback or one of the top quarterbacks in the league. So generally where everyone falls down now is well, my is tell me he doesn't pass the eye test he doesn't do this or that. And it's funny because it's usually coming from non-professionals. But I'm curious for somebody like you who quarterbacked in this league for seventeen years coached at this level and has seen him up close and you talk about grading his film, what do Your Eyes Tell you about Dak Prescott and what do you think about those types of criticisms that Oh actress you know he failed the test I don't think you get to be in the NFL. For Sixteen years like I was if you allow the opinions of people. That are irrelevant that aren't in locker rooms that aren't watching the film that don't understand. How plays are constructed analyst of. If the lead that stuff's way you than you won't last very long. So certainly, not going to allow people on twitter that you know have thirty five followers to affect my opinion on what I see in a day out saw day in day out with him. So, you know the test passes it all you know he's played four years. He hasn't missed a game theory. He plays injured he plays her he doesn't Miss Workouts. He's at everything you stand up in front of the media win lose or draw you never those teammates under the bus coaches. Any looks at criticized himself hard. Anybody stands up in front of the team talks at a team he he carries the message of the head coach of the program and and and he doesn't do anything to embarrass. The organization everything about him. He does he checks every single box except he hasn't won a championship they're hard to come by and you know, let's let's let's be realistic about it. They're hard to come by is so you know, but he is going to win and He is going to be one of the best ones to play this game for a long time because his his quest to improve is just greater than anything I've ever seen. John I am curious about what the final days of the Jason Garrett look like for a lot of coaching staff I know there were plenty of the coaches that were sort of left in the dark where you among those that was at the building Jason Garrett was showing up day in and day out with the binder underneath his his arm I was told and doing the player evaluations and acting as if. You're hired to do a job. You're hired to do a job until they tell you. You're not. You're no longer doing that job your job is a show to work and. They don't owe you anything. They don't owe you a conversation. They don't. Oh you know. to tell you what their thought processes are. There s not part of it is just a part of the deal. It's professional sports. This isn't you know high school this isn't The Ymca it's part of the deal what you sign up for in Jason. WHO's very proud of the work that he did in the ten plus years. That he was here in Dallas of as a coordinator, a head coach. He treated his assistance so well, on that we love in. You're don't think any guy would have a problem saying that in. So you know, but it's part of the deal. You know when you hire a new head coach, he's GonNa WanNa, bring his own people. It is what it is. But at the same time, until that decision is made, you show up and do work. I don't see that there's any problem with that. And we all had worked to. For he disappointed that you weren't asked back. Yeah I was disappointed because I wanted to continue working there I like working for the cowboys organization. I love the Jones family. I love the people that work inside the building. And most importantly. I envisioned myself. Being DAX, quarterback coach for a long time. I really enjoyed I enjoyed full status enjoyed the personal side everything about it. I enjoy the other guys neck or back room, but also know. Again. is nothing there's nothing personal about it. You know you just when you come and you're GonNa want I mean I remember sitting talking with Jerry Jones when I play. I used to just on Saturdays he come up from walk-throughs not wasn't plan as the backup or whatever now would just sit and talk with on sideline while watching walk through in east to say don't you ever get a chance to take over an organization? You know do something your own way. He should start from scratch don't hold people over. You know 'cause they're gonNA WANNA do things the way they've always done it in. So when a new head coach comes in, he's GonNa Change Staff is that part of it and so there's no hard feelings disappointed. Yeah. He's I like working for the cowboys and I thought we did a good thing and. You know we made some really good strides with back and all that stuff but I totally get it. One of the things that himself. Talked about during the season was he taught you know something that Jack even owned up to something that was potentially lacking. You could say heading into last season for him was he needed to work on some of his foot mechanics and work on his foot work. I remember we started hearing some buzz from people that it looked really improved heading into training camp, and so I was watching the first game. In preseason trying to see as a novice is there anything super obvious that I can see that's different and one of the things I noticed was he was kind of he used to kind of swing his back leg out a little bit when Heathrow and that it seemed like he was doing this more rotating up on the back foot a little bit and I asked around a little bit about and I don't know if this is the term used for. But. It somebody said that it's kind of referred to as squashing the bug that you kind of stepped down and turn up on that show and and that's one of the coaching points to really drive that home Can you talk to us about what you're doing with his footwork and then some of the things that you guys were some of the touch points that you saw were important for him and where you think improved for him last year. I think first of all. As his quarterback coach for less than here He he he's been a work in progress. She's been doing stuff with the guys that he hires to be his. Personal core back coaches and so there's been this. Progression that he was on I was part of. Really coming in and just know things we worked on were negligible to to the naked eye stuff that you wouldn't really notice is a six inch step here six instead they're in really just trying to get yourself in the best position to be in line with the throw that you're going to make and really kind of talk about playing from. The. Left foot right foot of the center and a stain in that in that little alley that little lane. Right there is. So that's really the stuff that we talked about that we did but you know really a lot of a lot of it was just. Helping him helping him in the core back just understand the rhythm of place I. Diana's lobbies guys. They don't play under center growing up anymore they in the gun show you can lose the rhythm of place is so sometimes. You're maybe you're running around its at eighteen yards. But you take the same drop in the shotgun that you take that you would take without that's at twelve yards. While when you go to look at that route, is it open because I'm at the top my drop he still runs route so you might move on. So it was just really about kind of understanding the rhythm of the place in how they all match up how and there's ten or twelve different drops. You're going to take in the shotgun in in how all those matchups those things we worked on. It wouldn't be anything that would be a thing that you would say, oh, man that was a huge change I don't think that was it. He's been a work in progress. He continues to be as I said I don't think he's ever going to be a guy go cat. Got It. I. Can get rid of John Belk I. Don't need him anymore. You don't need to hire quarterback coach because I got it all he's never going to be that I got. I always enjoy tells from the volt we had Tony Casillas on a couple of podcast when he was telling us some fun stories about his teammate Michael Irvin I'm curious. Do you have any fun stories about Jason Garrett. J About Jason. Interesting. So Jason, would always get on the plane. The witnesses you're being coach I sat right behind him on the plane. Jason would always be on the plane thirty minutes before takeoff. And he'd sit down. and. Say Hello Everyone. Cordial. Nice. But in that thirty minutes, you'd pull out the New York Times Crossword puzzle. In that thing, it'd be done before we are wheels to off the ground athlete is interesting. It's unbelievable is what it is to me. would be blank and he plowed through that thing say, hi to everybody that came by at work as working on a plane and coaches whatever touching base hey, we need to talk about this a any hammer, this New York Times Crossword puzzle less than thirty minutes is fascinating. Isn't it interesting? I feel like unfortunately because people don't get to know. Jason. They don't know there's this whole other side of him as much as an bobby sort of been the president of the Deck Fan Club I feel like I sort of took up the post of president of the Jason Garrett Fan Clubs I don't think people truly understood him in to your point. It's kind of like being a quarterback in Dallas unless you win championships you're not considered anything even though he only had one losing season in Dallas. Did you appreciate the process that came with him as a coach. Here's how much I appreciate it. Since since I've. Retired and started coaching myself. Jason has, Been, my biggest coaching mentor, and in Iowa's spin hours on the phone, we would take a lot. He would oftentimes talk to me off season about kind of you know the culture building they were doing and how they were building a program and in even send me. Little things, practice plans and stuff that I could work from, and he's just always been a great mentor made in people. Ask me all the time who was the best head coach you played for not in I don't pause Jason Garrett I think is it? Is Hard to do what he did really really hard to do we did. But again, you're Dallas cowboys it's about championships and you know. We didn't win here. Why is here but to take over as an interim coach in do what he did away he stepped in front of the team in the things that he spoke with conviction about that's really hard to do and. I think you know. I think the voices are loud that that thought he did a terrible job or voices are loud. Think isn't the right quarterback. But you know just because you're allowed doesn't mean you're right. I know that. We've seen some reports out there. That DOC had gotten a couple of workouts with you this off season. You know we we've talked to him a couple times camp already he seems in good spirits, but a lot of people were sitting here thinking like Oh you know. How is he handling this contract thing? Is it becoming a distraction? Did he seem just kind of like you know normal back to you normal student of the game ready to plough through this off season and not as much focused on what was going on off the field. That's one of his greatest strengths in traits is he does not let things that he can't control effective ever. Ever. He just doesn't need. So focused on what he has to do for himself and what his job is that he just doesn't it doesn't faze him and the contract those things that's the business side of football. But at the end of the day, he's gotTa go play in and he's he's a Dallas Cowboy through and through he loves the organization. So I am not magna speak for him but you know the time span wigham whether it's playing golf for. Hanging out playing cards or you know working awesome quarterback stuff. You know. He's just laser focus. Does out does work outs look like John. Well, a lot of main part of the. They were really just me get my son's around him. He he was so nice. My son's all as year whether it was my son in college are the two that I got still at home. Just always working with them and he's actually I get. My youngest one is built a little like back. So he taught him his you know. IS WARM UP All, that stuff. So. You know if he ever doesn't do warmup routine when he goes out to throw or or practice. I called back immediately on facetime and it's not known as work. So then he does stuff like that. So you know there's just young he again, that has people that that have been working with them for a long time, but with get together every now and then and work on different stuff. But yeah, obviously not now but we didn't off-season just because we were up near each other code. Had US all a little bored Before Bobby Gypsy I do have to ask it since you brought up warm up routine. You know drew brees says something very similar but the fans that watched it as it went viral, what's up with the hip thrust and that very particular warm-up that both he and drew brees both do very methodically, and there is such an attention to it pre-game. If you if you were what if you watch baseball players hitters. The Watch. The good ones, are you watch golfers? When you watch him it's all about the hip rotation. The power generated within the hips. That's really what that routine is about and You know. So a lot of people will do it by striding and Enduring Esa. But or when they you know when your pocket, you're getting ready to throw they'll. In one foot will come into contact with the other one. At you lose power doing that so. That's the thing that they you know he's been he's worked on for years is to generate the power through the hips in the core. Is that is that more that sort of thing? Is that exercise more about loosening up before games it almost like a stretch or is it more about muscle memory and trying to you know develop that feeling? I. Mean That's a question. I think it's both. It's both Dan. So you've mentioned here you know the What kind of a player Dak is from a mental aspect and I think that people have heard the cowboys, players and coaches and everybody else rave about that for a long time about what he's got between the ears and you know for some people who look at that and wonder like, okay. But I mean, you know what does that really you know matter a quarterback how just in your own words and the in your own words the way you would describe how important is that? Mental makeup of not just being a quarterback what happened to be a quarterback of the Dallas? Cowboys. And it's one of the that's one of the most essential traits that quarterbacks going to have to have is that mental makeup mental toughness. Ability to be resilient. The ability to you know focus in. And do the task at hand not get caught up in you know the the noise that's outside a you or even the last it's it's really about how do you focus on do your job on every single play and and like I said. You know. There was times last year that I'm like Nannies that was a really tough game that he had a room take it easy. Emmy almost cuss me out like what I don't know what that means. We taking it easy run do this or when he was a see joint, he couldn't throw each still come out and get his foot work in and I still be super engaged in the meetings mean. Legitimate Pie you know. Had had enough of injury that you probably shouldn't have played in a couple games. Never, even thought. That's just type players. So just wrapping up here I'm curious. You know you. We've talked about how you've been at the high school level and then you know you've obviously had this experience. Working with the cowboys not. Too Far, into the future discount which you're trying to do now but what's your outlook look like for your for your? Do you think high schools where you're gonNA stay out or do you have the feeling that one day you'd like to go back to coaching at the professional level or or perhaps even college? Yeah. No I enjoy what I'm doing and I really feel like this is my calling And and the cowboy thing. That was a situation where I really felt like I could be helpful and it's not a dream of mine. It's not something I've turned down necessarily, but I like what I'm doing. I plan on being here a long time in Burlington it's always been my wife and I that's what we feel like were called to do is to pour into the youth in and train young men to be real man and and I'd love nothing more than to leave a legacy of. Leadership here in being real man coming out of Burleson. Texas in and hopefully win at a high clip too. But that's not the ultimate goal for us. Ultimately, goal is training character introducing young men that A. That their parents in their their families can be proud of their community can be proud of their school can be proud of the show. Had Opportunities to stay in the NFL this past year but it just wasn't really what I feel like was leaving us to do. I like what I'm doing I. got a great athletic director principal is amazing. Our Superintendent is awesome. Weren't growing district in a couldn't be more happy on. This is exactly where I think God has us. Will coach the kids are lucky to have you and I think anyone listening to this interview sees why guy like Dot gravitated toward you? We certainly miss you this year but we of course she the of luck thanks for having me on a really appreciated joining us now is Brandon Tucker Brandon is the founder, of trench, warfare training and he is also the combine and pro day trainer for Defensive Lineman at Xhosa in Dallas. Braden trains a number of NFL, defensive lineman and as a skills teacher of sorts brandon you can follow him on twitter at T., w. f.. Training. Tuck House Man. Pretty good. How are you Bob I'm getting by I'm not excited to talk to here know we We were all interested as Jan's been talking about in her reports and as everybody's been buzzing about everybody wants to know about Alden Smith and what a lot of people don't know necessarily is that before he was reinstated before he was in the building and as he was working back but was still in the Dallas area that. You got to work with him. I know he was asked about it recently by Todd Archer and had good things to say so I, guess for all the fans listening in wanting to know give us the lowdown on on Alden Smith and what your impressions have been an while you guys have worked out this off season. So I got him. I got him late March early April. His agent Ron Slave, and sending me to to get him to get him reacclimated to. Justify, football again and we worked out every day Monday through Friday for. Oh About two and a half months. About one half months we were going. in show is one that just wanted to get his feet back underneath. So. When you say you worked out five days a week for a couple of months. It seems like he took a really professional approach to. Wanting to get back in shape. What kind of shape was the only when you got him and what did he look like when you were done? So he was in decent shape and prost. Professional he was in decent shape. You know he had been training prior to getting to me, but he was more in Kinda like marathon shape boxing shape verses being in. Football shape. So he was in, he was in shape. He just wasn't in the type of conditioning that's your needs to play. Sixty seventy plays a game. What was it that stood out about and we talked about this a little bit last week on NFL network but you said it had something to do with his hands. Yeah. So I made the mistake of standing in front of him. during Israel and He he delivered a blow like he's supposed to. And I I still received. Did Not have a pad out in front of me and so he got to my chest and and I had to take a moment. It was like being hit by by a battering Ram or tank. It was ridiculous. It was absolutely day. Wow. What is it about? What is it? I mean I know you and I've talked about this before even off the that a lot of times guys entering the League and and where there's probably the most lacking among defensive linemen in the NFL is how to use their hands that they're not necessarily adept at that. I know that's not the case really from what you've said about all the what is it about him that that makes him. So special in the way he uses his hands and and and that sort of benefit. So with with with all the All I don't I don't think he's a human being. I think he he he might be from from planet or Baugh the way the way that he's able to do things the power that he possesses he he's just super. Super. Special as related that but his football likes you very very high. He understands he understands where to put his hands and a winner put him there and I mean, he's just he's phenomenal from that respected I mean he just he knows how to play football that's why he was. Successful as she was before he took his sabbatical. It's amazing because the narratives out there about football players. It's amazing. Help pervasive. They can be without a lot of people actually contacting the player getting to know them, and that's why I love that we have these wealth of context and Dallas you can sort of get a sense of but. were. You surprised when you got him hearing some of the narratives out there about where he was at just mentally. you know I had several people talk to me about him prior to me to me. And once once I had a chance to visit with them in meeting He was nothing like what was al-suhmi pardon me get an east I mean super caring. Guy. very gracious with his time. Very intellectual. You know he he would even stay late. After I worked with him and jumping with my high school and Police Training Group at that time you know we were supposed to be locked out. And I had a bunch of kids home from spring. Right. At, university level who couldn't go so they were trading and he'd come out with visit with them. I mean he was he was just incredible You know just just totally opposite of what you've heard a lot about him immediate. I know that you've gotten some work in before with demarcus Lawrence and that's a guy that you know a little bit. What kind of parallels are there? Would you say that those are two similar guys in terms of everybody knows demarcus Lawrence has football Iq and what an animal he has are those two similar like guys in the way they approach the game. A. I would say from from a from a football IQ standpoint yes. you know both of them are extremely hard workers but two totally different personalities it's like Union Yang I think they're getting along so well, just because they they WANNA be great. So when you have guys that have that mindset I, mean everything else Kinda gets puts it aside with two two totally different personalities between. Tank and in. Floor. All right. Well, elaborate. How are they? Different? Well, I mean you when you say elaborate I mean without without being even too much intimate detail you you're talking about you know. You know. Tank who Does a lot of stuff behind the scenes doesn't really like a bunch of fanfare I mean you know you're talking about a guy that goes and spends time that the Frisco Boys and Girls Club has tremendous. he's active in the community Floyd just got here but but but hell, he's he's not as laid back. He's not as he's not as reserve. You know he he he likes to enjoy himself where there is whether it's you know eating at home in the walls. all over the metroplex or just you know sitting back into, we're John and music man he just a totally different totally different went and a thanks a family it may family. All, then you know he's still he's still you know. He's not he's not he's not. Does not have wiping to you. So just two totally different personalities for sure. All right. That's the other guy on this defensive line that I think a lot of people have a lot of questions about his Tristen Hill. People trying to draw comparisons between Taco, Charlton which a lot of people around here bobby considered us. What separates Tristan from the TACO narrative, and why are we now hearing reports that Tristan has done this three sixty all of a sudden in the off season as Dobbs. Ling, this new coaching staff is that just coach. Playing good cop all of a sudden. You really seeing that from him because to be fair as teammates I've noticed it. Potentially, could it could be I think first and last year I don't like Taco came into a very very. Different type of room. and so. I think he had some expectations. do those expectations weren't there? And you know the the room dictates a lot. You know if you if you have guys in that room that you don't necessarily get along with, it's GonNa it's going to work every day with someone you don't like and so it you know for a young guy, twenty years old. You know still learning how to be a professional. You know you can develop rabbit ears. I. Think Taco did that as well but you know. With with the new staff and the new coach, Chris trysted posted as a new beginning man that new opportunity any and he's taking advantage of it. He came out of a bad situation, his last year in college. So his his last two years of football. You know just having been calling to him and then and then all of a sudden. You know you got a new head coach and a new system and everyone has a. A hit the reset button and and he's really really taking advantage of that opportunity and all the right thing and is it. We've heard some discussion out there that. Tristen has you know maybe it's taken some responsibility himself into how things went last year that maybe it's not so much. Well, I was a victim that that maybe he recognizes his own party and in some of the struggles lesser is that sort of what you've seen in your work with him that that he owns up to I need to do some things different this year. Absolutely, that was as one of the things that we talked about and I was accountability. and. He was a hundred percent. Accountable and he owned a lot of what happens last year and I mean we talked about it in detail. You know. He felt like he was their first pictures they didn't have one. And he thought things are GONNA be different once he got there and they and they weren't. And so you know a lot of things a lot of the things that happened. You know he owned which is you know once you start to do things like that it shows your growth and maturity and he's not GonNa make those mistakes again it's not gonNa make the signs as again. and I think he's dedicated himself as this off-season being better it'd be a better football player and I think it's I think it's I think it's showing evidence people now that. You know he's GonNa live up to the to the to the pay US picked second round. So he's GonNa make some believers out of people this year. Fundamentally of you seen him make changes to, his game. Great Question I think be because he's so strong and powerful explosives. you know he can and do things that most guys in size aren't able to do. So from a fundamental standpoint, just being in great condition was huge for him. this year you know being able to do whatever's asked him at at one hundred percent percent is what we what we talked about a lot to So other than that I mean you know it was just him learning him and learning what what they're trying to teach him and it's a short Kirkwood know. Oj, so he staying late. You know he's doing everything he can to make sure he stays on top of on top of the curve. We we know how difficult it can be for defensive Lineman and their rookie year I know that another guy that you've gotten to work with is Neville Gallimore. About his straits and also what you think might be the biggest challenges for him in in his learning curve heading into his rookie season. Never lose noble lived a compact stung explosive. defensive Lineman you know the scheme that he played in at Ou allow him a lot of time to just run through gaps. In so if if he was here in Anneli System, he would have he would've dislike a youthful healthy league collins. with the type of system that. That they're running now, he's he's got to. Learn to use his hands a lot better and striking at the point of attack. which is completely different than what he's done in the last four years at at Ou, and then obviously with him being you know a Canadian player born in Canada and in its formative years there football the brand of football a little bit different. So we're he's being asked to do some things that he's not accustomed to doing, and once once he gets that. He'll be just fine. Normally, all those things would have been taken care of not as. You know. But the without US having in this year you know it's it's GonNa. It's been a little bit challenging and then and then secondly just adjusting to the physicality and the pace of the game in the NFL versus big twelve right Say IT'S A it's a huge a huge transition I think he's in a great spot. Where they can afford to to to to bring him along a little bit of slower pace than. And knowing what you would have a guy in this situation because of the depth on the interior of the line were four McCoy got hurt. was going to be my next question. It might be a little unfair to you because you have it worked with these guys since they've been at can't up and actually part of the install. But given the Journal McCoy, News, do you see having the bigger edge to be that guy in the interior? Ties is I would enough. I mean. He's He's he's in a little bit of nose guard but I mean I I expect for. To feeling most immediately obviously woods and and play the same position. And so the only other, the only other guys that you have on the on the team right now, all your babies in that spot you know the the two, the two young fellas in interesting and Neville So. Immediately would be tired. I would expect if they had to start again tomorrow I put money that it'd be a tie in there. At the. Three techniques. Do. You work with tyrone Crawford at all. I've not. I have. Not. after ten. Stay fans that aren't familiar. I feel like he was the missing link last year and that defensive room I don't know if you've talked to a lot of guys. But when he got hurt I felt like his leadership was really really. They've missed him. That's a guy that I. I always enjoyed seeing David. Irving running his mouth in the locker room and tyrod coming over there and being like, why are you talking to the media? Of course it drove us. Crazy. Oh David's spill it all the team but you kind of need that sort of leader keeping the young guys accountable. So I'm glad he's back I think Tristan Hill and devil will benefit from him being back there. He's the one that got demarcus Lawrence to start riding his bike and get his weight down their bikes every day to and from the facilities L. Right? They were riding their bikes sex owes I'd look and it'd be mountain bikes I who's run your bike up here and They, they wrote those mics everywhere. That's a hike. Johar's it from their house on the bike. You're talking about four or five miles. Man. Yeah March men on a mountain on a bike. For sure to riding down the streets of Frisco, it was crazy i. Bike. I guess last thing for you here because then you've gotta work, you gotTa get with. Everybody's GonNa. When you look at you referencing the different things they're teaching. Now talking about Tom Soula versus Rodman delegates from your perspective is, is that what you would say is going to be the biggest difference for fans who watched the defensive line. This is it more finesse for Marinelli scheme versus power and a lot push pull from Tom Soula game. Yeah, you're you're you're GonNa see you're going to see. And and don't get me wrong I. Think I i. think that that Rod and And big cat did a really good job I mean even line was always you know very, very, very, very well coached with the cowboys under undergoes Garrett you just you just going to see a different type of play this year 'cause you're you're not gonNa have guys jetting up the field like they did all the time you're you're GonNa see you're going to see some of that some of that art surface you'll you'll see Tang standing up you'll see floyd standing up. and so. You know that that just creates a nightmare scenario for for officer coordinators when you have those players. Either warring off the ages are dropping back and coverage So the schemes are totally it's like night and day, and they have the personnel to play with they wanting to. Be Able to mix things up like they're going to this year my Formula Egal- for fans that want a reference point. What tape should they pop in? If they want if they WANNA visual this defensive line is gonNA look like. Easy, go go back to Alden in Smith second year in the League. And look at that defense played by football they they got after people. and you're you they have they have the second coming. Right now. They have the second coming of that. They'RE GONNA go to San Francisco's what what have you come out two thousand and nine eleven eleven eleven. Eleven so that go go look at thirteen fail. Ten Twelve thirteen when he was in San Francisco and that's a lot of you're gonNA see a lot of that. This year always a wealth of information. Thank you so much for coming on here. We only get so much time with these new coaches to sort of get -ment. So always love we can talk to people on the outside. Side so we still. Not a problem. Thank you for having me on. All right. So we are getting closer and closer to the start of football blue white scrimmage game anticipated to be this weekend We hope that was the. That was at last check we thought that was going to happen. 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