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'The Lion King' - Jon Favreau
"<music> movie goers around the World After About Visit Pride Rock through director John favelas groundbreaking adaptation of Disney's beloved nineteen ninety-four animated classic the Lion King The photo real film was made using a bleeding edge virtual production process that involved live action production techniques to create a final movie that is completely C._G.. Today's guests Jon Favreau is a director producer actor and writer. WHO's no stranger to Disney's universe? He is earlier virtual production techniques to make his twenty sixteen hit the jungle book an adaptation of Disney's nineteen sixty seven animated classic for Marvel Fabric Directed Iron Man and iron man to serve as executive producer on the vendors films including endgame and as an actor on numerous marvel films including including the recent Spiderman far from today. I'm very happy to welcome blind kings director Jon Favreau who talks about the innovative filmmaking process honoring the nineteen ninety-four animated classic as well as the music and new songs for the movie on Carolyn Ireland Georgina welcome to the Hollywood reporter's behind the screen John Congratulations on the film and thank you so much for joining pleasure so this movie was made using virtual production techniques which loosely means that the final film is photo real yet it's fully C._G.. And made incorporating production techniques that are typically we used in live action production. It's building on some of the techniques that you use to make jungle book but for the uninitiated would you explain the process and what's new this time around well. It's quite different from jungle book in that. There's a lot of new technology available will most of which are consumer facing products V._R.. Headsets and using a game engine is the basis in this case unity as the basis for our multiplayer V._R.. Filmmaking game that we built from the ground roundup and developed over the course of this so what I mean by that is we created a way for all of the film crew essentially <hes> you know we hired what was essentially a live action film crew to go into virtual reality and be able to stand in a set that was created and with animated performances of characters based on recorded performances by the actors and be able to look around this environment as though we were on a live action film set and set cameras and move them using a live action film crew and they actually have steady cam and Dahlie and these rules yes. If you showed up to our set you would see a room with no lights and a lot of monitors so you could just sit essentially video village and watch that's being filmed or you could pop into one of the headsets and I think up to six people could be in there at the same time and so whether we're location scouting in the beginning and figuring out where we wanted to shoot things or if we were actually filming were quote unquote filming it was no film we we would be in there and you know figuring out with a viewfinders just like you wanna live action set with a camera move would begin and end and as we got better at of course we were flying around. We weren't walking as much and we would be there. You know iterative Lee coming up with what we wanted to do. Creatively which fits much closer to what my background and skill set was than what you would do in the layout phase of an animated movie which is sit at a computer monitor and creates blinds for cameras camera moves or set lights or choreography here. Let we kind of divided the responsibilities in the same way that you would on a film set so it was you it was your director of Photography Caleb Canals Your Visual Effects Supervisor Llegado again all of the your not departments that you would have on a film set it would be it would it would depend on what Faso like in the beginning it was script <hes> storyboards story head of stories story department Dave bowers ahead of story you start putting those images together in like a flip book type thing like a show real of of pencils with temp voices in there and you sort of watch the movie as a pencil thing just like if you saw the early stages of Pixar film then when we got into character design and environment design we would build it so that we could port that to <hes> unity essentially a gaming environment so it didn't look as photo real as the movie you see when you go to the movie theater but it looks as good as like a really good video game but enough to get the lighting and the sense of the how the characters are going to move and then the animators animate animate all the performances so as key frame animation again just like a pixar movie it was when we got to the camera phase that we had suggested camera moves suggested lay out that I would work out with Andy Jones the head of animation but then Caleb could come in and decide to change hanes those cameras and change the lighting and then we were actually filmed takes in those takes would create dailies those dailies go to editorial department and unlike previous or lay out the editor would make decisions where the cuts were and what shots to use it wasn't a linear. In your set of shots and moves that we knew go in a particular order all if it was to create that imperfection you know the Wabi Sabi of live action where a lot of mistakes happen or you know the Dolly Grip if he pushes the camera too fast the camera operator upbraided has to compensate for that in the way that they're operating the wheels and so all of that was meant to create more of the imperfection that would make it feel appear to be live action even though every single scene and character was key frame animated that is not alive and go check it out what it is not a lion. It's a furry bird lion. Get let me get a closer look. Excuse me all right. Let me see what we're dealing with here. It's a lion run for your life. I think it's a little it gets bigger and yeah we keep them. Oh I promise I'll walk in every day if he makes a little mess cleanup you'll be his little mess. He's going to eat you and then use. My body is the toothpaste one day when he's big and strong side I've got it. What if he's on our side hear me out having a ferocious lion around might not be such a bad idea well? Can't we keep him. Yes of course we can keep him. Who is the brains of this operation? We're good name him Fred and you decided to try this new process with a retelling of one of the most iconic animated films of all time a little pressure a lot of pressure and part of why we did it that way was because take the specific requirements at least as I sought for this particular story. It was pretty clear early on that. Nobody needed a new animated Lion King because although it's twenty five years ago it holds up very well right now even to the younger generation. It's you know it's I think the pinnacle of two D animation in the Disney catalog still is and probably always will be the biggest most successful to the animated movie as far as how much business it did and certainly stage show also also <hes> has that distinction so my feeling was if I was going to do lying king he couldn't change too much of it because people's memories of it or to vivid and to find and the story is just too well told and any liberties we're take and it does deviate quite a bit but we have to make those deviations feel invisible with casual viewer much like when you see the stage show it deviates. I think it's like an hour longer than the movie but it feels like you're seeing the same story so we wanted to those changes to be invisible but we knew we had to distinguish ourselves and so making it feel to be a third medium just like the stage show was different from the animated film. We felt that we had to make this. Look like it was live action to fit in with the with the other live action adaptations like beating the beast jungle book but of course we were GONNA use completely animated techniques to achieve this live action feel and so everything we designed was to make it feel I've action and we knew that the animals had to be as natural as could be but when you're filming animals there are techniques that films like <hes> you know the the planet earth documentaries us and certain types of lenses certain types of the way they use music and editing so we felt that what we had to do everything we could to emulate limitations that one would experience when they were doing a documentary so a lot of its long lenses the camera moves oftentimes can't remove nodal a lot of times. It's mismatching editorially early in the coverage because you're using one camera and kind of cheating coverage popping to a different size and we kind of reverse engineered a lot of the the documentaries also nice to talk to Hans Zimmer who happens to score those as well so <hes> we really studied that and so these tools that we built were meant to differentiate us from from the animation format but now this production process really could change the way Hollywood makes movies. What impact do you foresee on the types of movies that are made and how they are made? It doesn't have to use the specific technique. I think each project is a puzzle and each puzzle requires a different solution but with what I've learned from this I'm using it now on the man delorean because here I am working working with a whole group of different directors but by having this virtual camera instead of a previous process it allows us to kind of make the movie together virtually before we ever shoot the episodes and what's more is we could use what we get all the learning from the virtual production informs how much set we have to build what's in the background and were even exploring in the first season. We used a video walls and game engine technology in this case epoch epoch game engine to actually have para lax and moving in camera backgrounds for some of the sequences so instead of having a translator a green screen we could actually move the camera and the background moves using the game engine to to maintain para relax so using all the same tools of like virtual reality and virtual camera and positional data on the camera we can help drive a much different and more efficient visual effects pipeline especially for something where the turnaround time is as fast as television show so it's like when you learn what the technology could do and you understand it. It will inspire you to either tell different stories or alter the technology to fit whatever story you're trying to tell l. and so many people came to the set to see what we were doing and just as I was welcome to other people set like James Cameron we welcome other people and so there's a nice spirit of collaboration between people in the industry who are interested in technology because it offers an opportunity to make the process more efficient quality higher quality of life better and allow stories to be told that formerly couldn't have been told because now you have so many more tools in your imagination can can can run more free. What impact did the process of on budgets this project? If we had eliminated the virtual camera step we could have made this film less expensively significantly less expensively because we had a whole film film crew and a film shoot and if we had done the traditional animation pipeline we could have gone right from Pencil to the story boards into show reels into layout and then go right from lay out out in to render and we could have been done probably six months earlier maybe earlier I don't think it would have had the same look and I think this particular project required the look that virtual camera offered so we could have condensed the process and would've just been purely animated by putting this live action aesthetic into it. It made it a more expensive process that you're saying that if you had done it the other way it would have felt more like a tradition. I think it would've felt I think you would have felt spine cameras. I think you would have felt an aesthetic that you're not always conscious of that would make you subconscious say oh. This is animated the cameras moving in a way that doesn't feel as much like a live action film or the cut points field predetermined as opposed to something that was chosen after the fact by an editor using whatever available footage work best to tell this particular story or whatever was usable for this action sequence. There's a lot of subconscious decisions that are being made even in the way the cameras operated when you're following something as opposed to planning something ahead the time but for example using similar technology for set extension and in camera visual effects it's actually making the process shorter and allowing much more efficiency on a film set and requiring you know if you could do photographic tree in a real environment environment and have a virtual back lot you can go through shoot several scenes one after the other and just call up on the computer a different background and as long as it's photo real and what's Nice too is the actors get to see real environments behind they don't just see blue screen and cinematographer could line up a shot no where the horizon is because it's there and when they move or raise or tilt the camera were boom opera down they see what you inherit in the geometry behind the performers so I think that there's ultimately always room for efficiency. I think in the beginning it's always more expensive and then Moore's law takes over and then you have efficiencies of scale and right now. There's so much great technology readily available to consumers that could be applied I to this industrial application. That's where you really benefit because you have all of this investment into the consumer space and getting consumers to adopt something is not as easy as getting adopted for industrial applications where people see opportunities in these new technologies technologies and so as we're playing with all these new H._M._d.'s and we have these great partners with you know H- unity was helping us write code magnum opus was brought in as a contractor empty was there rob Agata was overseeing much of this they would all come in and we open the hood and say okay. Let's do it. Let's do a code dump. Let's see what we want to change. What tools do we want to change? What would you like to see in our engine? That would be helpful for this so there's a lot of incentive for collaboration with these technology companies and all trying to refine this differentiate themselves from each other. Does this process taking it onto a virtual said also provide savings compared with if you were to go on location I it depends because there's a it's a little bit apples to oranges because I don't know what would the version on the live. Let's say we avoided this and we went out to you know the Masa and Mara and we filmed plates. It would never no matter what you're filming. It wouldn't look like you were following a real animal going through it so it either feel awkward or you would do photograph tree and texture mapping onto something later and everything would become a visual effect and he would be doing a lot of knocking things around and discovery in post production auction. You could shoot as much as you want. It's like the process that you'd want to action movie. You go there you shoot the actors and then you shoot the action sequences either with first or second unit and then the vendor has to bang all this stuff together and make a coherent story out of it no matter how well you plan it they have to do adjustments replacements basements and things like that road scoping around things we don't like the background and it becomes very inefficient so it's not that it's necessarily cheaper but it's more dollars actually hit the screen. I wanted to treat the whole movie like a reshoot. I wanted everything that we filmed and I wanted to give the vendors time to get the shots right and because the story was lying king we didn't have to do a lot of discovery and testing and re shooting none at all as a matter of fact we stuck to the original version of it and gave 'em p._c.. Z. The time to actually take every step of the process to its fruition and nothing was changed scrubbed left on the cutting room floor. It was as efficient as a animated film. Animation has a much different percentage. Did you shots at actually end up in the movie convert the live action where there's a lot of discovery and re-shoots your visual effects supervisors had suggested that without this approach if you had made the same movie meeting with the same look it might have taken another year or more to make do you agree with that and and how do you think this could potentially impact. I do agree with that because of the iterative process because so much of you break down the script or you give storyboards and a whole conversation takes place between production and the vendor and they figure out how much they bid the shots much shots in the cost what the budget is going to be. You know what the big line item for. Visual effects is going to be when push comes to shove the vendors trying to figure out how many versions they have to do if something how many you know it's just labor it's labor. It's rendering time. They're hard costs that they have to factor in their bidding. Something just like building a house. You have to know we'll how big is it. How many windows are there so it does come down to brass tacks at a certain point the efficiency that I think rob Llegado was was talking about was instead head of saying giving a note in effect review and then then going back and somebody passing a note to a supervisor passing it to somebody else and then that person somebody on a box being handed a note and then they go through their checklist and they said tilt faster her and then or reframe to the left they guess what that might mean or maybe you have the effect supervisor might happen to be with them and help explain what the note is but the idea that that's going to be a perfect camera move it would be like me talking to a camera operator and saying I want added Dali move and then leaving the set what this allows us to do is when a shot would come back to us we would feed it back into the virtual stage and either have Caleb Rob Llegado actually operate over that shot and Henry operate it and so instead of going back and forth three times to get it right and all that wasted effort we could show them exactly what we want and then they say oh God it and then they render that so it allowed for a more hands on approach and less of a message message in a bottle type of note pipeline when you talked about jungle book I remember you spend a lot of time figuring out how to make the animals talk in this photo real environment in this case? You had to do that but they also had to sing. How did you approach that? You know I had learned a lot on jungle book. You know we were very worried about the talking animals and as we dug into the archives of conversations that Walt Disney and had surrounding Bambi it was almost the same conversation like how are we going to make this more photo real in that case then Snow White Eight. I want these animals to look real. How do we get them to talk and he mentioned like it really works well when you cut away while they're talking or the the young ones talking more convincing than the older ones and all the little magic tricks that help cushion that blow but but at the end of the day you have to show an animal that doesn't talk talking the thing that gave us the most clarity for me was the movie babe so in that movie there was a tremendous amount of expression and emotion but it wasn't a C._G.? Pig it was a A. Real pig not making human expressions and having very subtle Fahim's very subtle mouth movements just enough to justify the talking and so much of it was the story and the way the camera was placed and all the talking was just subtle enough that it didn't draw too much attention to itself but present enough that you believe that it was plausible you bought the C._G.. Because you bought the way the pig was moving you bought the physics and it was edited and the music and the story was so good that you were pulled into it in jungle book. It didn't bump for anybody. Of course we had mobilia cut to you know every other shot but nobody felt that it broke the illusion so we felt pretty and I was working with Andy Jones again and also working with cats which is a lot easier than wolves you know the facial structure on a cat is much more similar to human you don't have as much emotion in the face and expression you know with dogs or wolves. The eyes are very anthropomorphic as far as emotion goes but with cats you're getting most of the expression through body language and so it was our goal here to not mimic the performance of the human actors but be inspired by the choices they were making and then transpose it to what an animal would do who was expressing that same emotion and so thanks to the Internet and whether it was a research that we film down in Animal Kingdom of the animals or what we saw on the Internet we would always pull in clips and thumbnails of performances of real animals those that we felt matched up with what we were trying to perform in any given shot and so whenever we had reviews for animation we would have you know the basic animation that we did within the game engine for the virtual camera we would have the thumbnail N._l.. Of whatever the actor was doing on a long lens video feed from when they recorded their voice just to see their eye contact patterns if they were scowling if they were laughing when the transitions were happening in their face and much of by the way motion capture much of what the animators animators were able to get for motion capture are those actors choices. It's not always the Meta data that they're using. They're often using the inspiration of the choices that the actors making and having that informed the animation but in this case you weren't using motion capture we weren't and but but we I think we took <hes> without all of that expensive you know energy memory processing heavy process of taking points of the face and mapping out what they're doing just having the video reference gave us the benefit of what motion capture often gives you which is inspiration for a human animator 'cause very rarely do you just take a motion capture performance retargeted onto your model and then boom you're ready for you know I'll see at the premiere it usually takes a lot of invisible hands doing it and I know Andy Jones worked on Avatar and that was all motion capture but to get the humans faces even onto the navy which is not that different from a human I asked him how much of the work and Avatar was going on in the triangle ah face and he was like it was like eighty percent of his work was just in what was going on in the face and that's for something that's motion capture where it's supposed to inherit everything from the performer. There's still a lot of human artistic effort into these films that are seen as primarily technical or or based in new technology. So is the singing even more challenging yeah. You know you wanted to make depends who was singing when but you know you'll notice things like the camera moving where we had long lenses so you had had foreground a good foreground wipe at the right time or you know going through a dappled Kookaburras to help break things up a little bit or movement. All of those things help the plausibility of it because if you were to stare at A. Performance of an animal singing in close up the lock off. It's not as convincing and so you know in the tradition of magician or an illusionist you you use whatever tools that you have and often that's conspiring with with the cinematographer. How are you would shoot something to help you know not create as much scrutiny and letting the Fahim's be the least interesting part of the scene and give the audience something else to look at as a distraction or to help make the visual effects more convincing now you also have the classic six songs and then some music in this film? I understand it late. In the game. You added an original song titled Spirit Performed by Beyond Say yes tell us about that so beyond say had been working on a inspired by album completely separate from the film but collaborative with us in that checking in with us letting us know what she was doing asking us for assets from the movie and she had been a really wonderful partner out throughout this process we'd recorded like can you feel the love tonight with her her and she had done a bit of a deep dive into our technology and seeing what we're doing 'cause she's very curious and has a lot of different creative disciplines as a filmmaker as a song writer performer choreography dancer. Yes she was very very much embracing of what we were doing and understood that we were innovating a lot of things and was you show somebody like her. What we're doing and inspires a lot of ideas in so musically and cinematic she was working on kind of something going to be supportive of this and then one song came out of that process which was spirit that she played for us and was just wonderful and tons Zimmer is of course not just a composer on this but really has has shepherded me through this experience may understand what was happening during the old film which although we hold it in such high esteem now he's always quick to remind me how improvisational the process was and how you know much like any many great films like Star Wars or Casablanca at the time felt very haphazard but came together to be something that was quite perfect and so he was there to help guide me through that and when he hurt spirit and I I think that this is we all agreed a great song as I can? We fit it. You WANNA fit it in a way where it doesn't detract from what people have come to expect from it. You don't WanNa pull something out that was in the original film to make room for it but there was a montage that really worked well emotionally only with we tried it. The original album version was cool with edits and then Hans got to work with Lebo M and they laid in some vocals over it and so the version that's in the film is actually slightly different from the one that's on the album but it helped make it feel like it was part of the same soundscape as it yeah. It's a moment wer- knowledge character is you know having a lot of impact on Simba and a moment of soul-searching it's after he sees his father in the clouds and so it's the build up to the last act and he was always my you know in continues to be somebody who was a very helpful collaborator and guide you know he he has of this this shop remote control where he does his recordings and mixing and AH composing and he goes into his workshop and he works like he wakes up late in the day like a Rockstar and but works all night like he just likes. He's a night owl then the next day he'll call you and say like when like three in the afternoons it's got something for you to hear come down and so you go into his beautiful it looks like a European parlor with velvet wallpaper and candles and instruments and computers and you go in there and you know maybe for Al's there with him working on something and they're showing you something and he plays it against picture and he has a big monitor and it really worked well and it was super exciting and so it allowed us to have that original song it allowed us to have <hes> in the in the first end Credit Tong as a collaboration between Elton John and Tim Rice and Lebo. M has <hes> choir on it. It's called never too late so to have a new Elton John Song there at the end that you know although it's new feels connected because his hearing all John's voice at the end of the film feels really <hes> familiar and fun and and emotionally you know me growing up with his voices so special so again mixing the old with the new and I think that's what Walt Disney he always did so well he really embraced new technologies even steamboat Willie that we think of as like an old fashioned cartoon was quite groundbreaking at the time for locking picture with sound and he always embrace these new technological breakthroughs news and applied new tech and new techniques to old stories and there's even a little tip the cap to that when we do lion sleep tonight we kind of locked the picture to the sound and we choreography animal's movements with with the song and even today even with all the technology. There's still something really satisfying about watching just the little whatever the deer kind of trotting along to the to the tempo of the song. This is something like a brain hack. I don't know yeah thank you and that was something that wasn't in. The original either but was inspired by something that was a we we <music> <music>. You're fan of the original. What did it feel like to bring this to the screen for you? Personally it was I felt a tremendous responsibility wants ability to bring it to the screen but I remember I was probably writing swingers about the time this came out so I was not the generation that grew up with this but the fact that this like the Pixar movies cut through to me in my twenties and that even though I was not the target audience that it made it to me and that I appreciate it and like the film shows how ubiquitous they were and how powerful pieces of storytelling were because I could not have been less interested I was if I was going to watch a movie. I was going to go the new beverly and I was going to watch a you know a revival of a classic and I wasn't really keyed into what was currently part of pop culture at that time but this film cut through and I remember thinking how wonderful it was and so in one sense I have the objectivity of somebody who got to see it as an adult and a lot of younger people were working on the film because remember we had hundreds of people working on on it and we always made sure that we kept the door open so if somebody was in a review and they didn't like a shot that we had in they said it was the other way in the old movie we had to listen and we had to encourage that conversation because we just didn't have that perspective man Rob Mato Kale Chanel could look at each other. We don't know but thankfully there were many generations of people working on the movie and then post production also while we're working on post production while working on Donald Glover brought chance the wrap around and he was like are Lion King Technical Advisor so you had Hans Zimmer who knew everything about the original production at about the music and he was working with Ferrall who was helping to reinvent the stuff as a producer but then chance came in and watching him watch what we were doing was fascinating to me you know we just showed it to them like as a courtesy because he was Donald Friend and and you know I'm a fan and then he would come in and or with his friends and they would have such insightful or just seeing what they laughed at her or when we deviated to say is that okay so it's different I like that yeah that's good and so he became somebody that I really relied on and then it was like hey you wanna do something and so so half the animals in cowed forest or chance doing different voices so he's the Bush baby but he's a lot of other he gets a lot of laughs in the movie and even did some singing and part of the lion sleeps tonight thing so he's just credited. I think as a character character in it but I you know I just want to make clear that he was so much more than that and I'm very grateful if he if he ever hears this thank you chance it was I appreciate so much how much you helped speaking of the original. What were some of the conversations you the had with the filmmakers from the nineteen ninety four film while they were you know sometimes it would just be a meal? Sometimes it would be a tour so it'd be showing them footage rob minkoff I knew from before so he was the one who I spoke to the most but there were people who are involved with this when Bob with the previous as production and and even the stage shows and it really was the same conversation every time which was here's how we did it. It was a much more precarious process than one would think we ended up with something that we're very proud of that has had a tremendous amount of impact that we feel very lucky to have been involved with and it feels like something bigger than it's turned into something bigger than what we knew we were doing at the time and they really cared and they answered whatever questions I had for them and they were very supportive when I showed them what we're working on. I think that they were happy that we were different enough that it didn't feel like we were placing that but it also felt like that we were true enough to it that it was honoring the work that they had done and make no secret of the fact that this movie's nothing without that film this movie is building on what they had discovered and created and now we're just like the stage show trying to find a different way to celebrate that story set at the premiere. There was one live action shots the travel. Will you reveal it. I want people to see you could guess but I want people to see the movie and if we tell them going in I want them to look at it and try to figure it out and just the fact that people are coming up with saying different shots to me. Now tells me that we did did our job. I'll give a clue there are no animals shot congratulations on the film and thank you so much for joining us. I'm really glad we had a chance to thank you so much for having me on here. It's so nice to have a conversation like this where it's very specifically specifically directed towards this particular part of the process because it's nice to not have to explain everything from scratch about it but your audience has an understanding or at least curiosity about what we're doing here because it is fascinating and it's nice to be able to draw attention engine to innovation that people who put the technical side of this together. It's all that's invisible but later on after people see the movie I love to show people a little bit more behind the curtain. You'll see magic trick works before received performance but then afterwards you know pull the curtain back a little bit more and show because as interesting as it looks visually when you understand what went into it there's a I think a renewed appreciation for how many different people had to innovate as much as they did to make their work invisible thank.
The Wilderness, Season 2 (coming January 13, 2020)
"Hey pods save American listeners. It's Jon favreau. You may have heard that my show. The wilderness is back on Monday January thirteenth in season. Two I looked for the path to victory in twenty twenty by talking to voters strategists or candidates in the battleground states. That will decide the election. If you're hearing this your about to listen to the trailer subscribe to the Wilderness at crooked crooked dot com slash the wilderness. Or wherever. You listen to podcasts. What we did in twenty-six the election we call it with a capital E.? It's never been done before and we're going to do it. I think again in twenty twenty and the numbers are going to be even bigger donald trump. Getting the second term is in nearly doubling the damage. I think it's compound if he has four years and he doesn't have to face faced the voters. I think there is no. I think the damage there will echo through not just another decade or two it could echo through generations. So this isn't simply another election. Well this is it twenty twenty a year that will end with. What just might be the most important election of America's lifetime the last time we talked to seemed really far in the future? Here we are and I feel like all all I see is trees everywhere we are still in the wilderness. A little bit. Not that there aren't pathways out. It's just that there's so obvious pathway out. Welcome back to the Wilderness. I'm your host Jon Favreau. In this season we'll look for the path to victory in twenty twenty by visiting some of the most important battlegrounds of the election and talk to the strategists organizers and voters will decide the outcome from the swing states of the northeast most people in the collar counties of Pennsylvania. Really Care about what we are for and not who. We are against to the suburbs of the South West growing up here. I do think it's much more diverse. I think changing I also think you know there's a trump effect where even people who have been lifelong Republicans. Here think that it's gone too as far as the two extreme from southeastern battlegrounds like Georgia and Florida Georgia has the youngest population of about Iran. State we have. The highest percentage enjoy African Americans of the battleground state. And we've proven that both communities will turn to the heartland of the American Midwest. There is a group of behind. That might be more conservative than I. I am one on. Guns are on choice Surin marriage equality and gay rights generally but they'll listen to a strong economic message and while we can't make any predictions. The the one thing we know is that nothing about this election will be easy. Twenty twenty feels to me like the battle of the bulge between what America has been and what it is becoming and I think it it is pretty safe to assume that trump will get every last ounce of blood out of his coalition of restoration. It's say less decided question whether the coalition transportation turns out an equal force somehow if we can find a way to keep this big unruly party inspired energize in unified. We might just be okay. There's nothing we can't do but if we're divided did we will stand alone. And that's not who we are at our best America's young nation we have been tested time and time again and we've always overcome we've done so by coming together across lines of race and more origin and language and we can do that again so come join us in the wilderness. Where the only way out is together Subscribe to the Wilderness from crooked media. Wherever you get your podcasts?
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"You for you and like in New York the Great Society rests on abundance and Liberty Ratio. Discrimination is this is Ashley Act and not what your country Jon favreau welcome to the wilderness longer can have a country where I worry about me you worry about you they worry about them and Kennedy has always made legislators governors house Senate and the presidency they lost nine hundred seats nine hundred this is Donald John Trump solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute how did we get here defenders strategists and organizers I talked to historians data nerds policy wonks and a few politicians to ask some hard questions and have some honest conversations and here's what this podcast it's not a show about the Republican Party it's not a show about him it's a show about the party that needs to beat him story about a party that's finding its way out of the political wilderness in the last eight months I've talked to more than one hundred people about the state of the Democratic Party I interviewed the Party's critics Shinzo are not as populaced as they should be is that they spend a huge portion of their time talking to very very wealthy people who fund their campaigns have right now is not it is broken democrats should position themselves as the people who can fix the problem we are for pursuing diplomacy before going to war talk about learning from our history and figuring out our future some of the show is about what we've done wrong and a lot of it is about what we're doing right but the Democrats who are starting to we are for the promotion of American Values Democracy and human rights around the world we're advocating for a multi-racial populism the reason why democratic politics mm-hmm we may be in the wilderness right now but we're not completely lost it's because we're on the brink of getting to that next place that we are being hit so hard and it's not because it's impossible to get to that next step it's because it's really possible all with the goal of charting our way out of the wilderness together there's not an either or it's not that we talk about class or we talk about race gender whites and again and the new movement that's teaching them how you need to be driven by something internal and self motivated and it needs to be more than anger at trump as a Democrat you've got to be willing to throw it out how did we lose to this guy and how did we end up with fewer Democrats in office than any time in decades since Barack Obama I took office the Democrats when you count St would you say you believe in if we go for what's needed as opposed to what is politically possible oftentimes we do better even if we might lose more but sometimes we win premacy immigration on the dreamers. We talk about it all because it is all absolutely intertwined we can pam immigration system that provides national security the one we the biggest difference when we summon the entire DOT com.
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"Hi Everyone Sophia Bush here welcomed a work in progress where I talked to people who inspire me about how they got to where they are and where they think they're still going today. I'm talking to crooked media's Jon favreau. I'm a friend of their pods so I was very happy. He agreed to come and sit down and work in progress rest. We talked about his time as Obama's head speechwriter how he got that job what it was like to step into the Oval Office for the first time his most memorable moment there what made him decide to leave Washington and of course politics enjoy so I've been aware of you for such a long time because of working on both Obama campaign that's right. I remember and I remember when he was a senator and went on Oprah and I was like that guy is amazing and so just in learning more about his world world new that you were speechwriting. This is our first time actually like hanging person which is and your dog is here. It's like a real highlight for me. Throwing the ball. Laura has been a kilo cutie so before we get into you know being the speechwriter for the president of the United States and all of the other amazing things so you've done and are now doing. I always like to go back because you are a wordsmith. You are a thought leader who is little John like who who are you as a kid not the rapper you always wordy and the analytical and was always worthy okay. My Mom always tells a story that would she would push me around in a carriage in the store instead of of like pointing at toys I would like point books and try to like put books in the aggressive character and I yeah so. I was always like a reader I I liked her right from a really young age politics in really enter this at like fiction short stories. I did that when I was a kid. Remember any of them. I don't now but I always like I once I got into school. I was love creative writing classes and then for a while I thought was going to be a journalist so I took some journalism classes in high school school. Politics didn't enter the scene until much later but I was a pretty. I was a kid played by all. The rule was not a Do you think that's possible thing or like. I think I'd really good parents who I would not have. They were super strict parents but they were just. Did you know you you knew when you had to be home and when he had to go to all that Kinda stuff so I I played by the rules I was. I was a little bit of a Dork. I would say it was the same I was just like. I have to get straight as and I of course I would never lie to my parents. I can't break curfew and who does is that we were. I was at my buddy from high schools wedding a couple years ago and his older sister or had babysat US when we were kids at my brother and my brothers three years younger than me and also a rule follower and so my babysitter's talking to my the wife and my wife Emily is like so what John and Eli to Babysit. She's like honestly it was like stealing money from the favelas. It was because of them at like eight. PM when they were little kids it'd be like it's bedtime now. We're going to go brush our teeth and put ourselves in bed and we can't stay up past this hour and I'm GonNa read Dandy a story and then that's it amazing which that's the story. My wife loves to tell now but yeah that was that was yeah. I remember I had babysitters when I was a kid who wanted to watch nine. Oh two an hour and my parents decided I was not allowed to watch it because I was is and then who was it like either. Kelly Brenda had sex with the other person's boyfriend show and my parents were like this unacceptable and then I wasn't allowed to watch it anymore and I remember my my babysitter's in junior high being like it's fine though like you used to watch it we can watch this show and I was like we're. We're going to get in trouble yeah. I was like getting I was getting peer pressured into breaking the rules by my babysitter. There's that what what what was family life like. Were you and your brother close. My brother and I are very close he in fact when I moved to La I we moved across the street from him he's. He's an actor out here but we were always very close growing up. My parents are the greatest parents could ask for my mom was a teacher so do you know we all came home after school together and hung out her and my brother and I and that was in sales and it was just a really close knit family family. We had a lot of fun. We laughed a lot. My parents always encouraged me to you. Know told me that I could do anything that I wanted to do. You made me believe in myself and you know let let me make big important choices right like there is a time when maybe go to a private high school instead of the Public School but my friends with the public school and they said that's what you really want to do then you should do that and so they always gave me a lot of guidance but sort of let me be free to make my own choices and so I always appreciate them for that. How do you think that affects who you are today like I. I think a lot about for some reason lately I've been really deep diving on early childhood development and I have no idea why yeah I'm I'm just I'm so in it and I think about what kind of a foundation confidence that is given to you by your parents or your teachers or the really influential adults in your life as a child what that does for you as an adult I mean I think what I think what they gave me that most relates to who I am today. What I do is the sort of sense of of empathy you know at the this idea that I should always be putting myself in other people's shoes that I should see the world from other points of view that I shouldn't be too judgmental of everyone that I meet and you know I think that's obviously those are important lessons for your personal life but you know I'm in in politics and I think it's probably a lot of my political beliefs stem from my family and they you know my parents weren't like overtly political because they were good. Massachusetts Democrats and I can remember watching the nine hundred ninety two presidential debates on the floor of our living room with my dad like my first memory of politics but they were not. They're not too overtly political but I feel like the values that they instilled in me or pretty progressive values and that's interesting my my family of waited a lot of political conversation when when I was a kid but it was a lot of talking about values and and for me my grandmother emigrated into the US through Ellis island like came here on a boat from Italy. You know so there. There's that very kind of nostalgic romanticized American experience experience and my dad is Canadian and I remember I was twelve when he decided to become a citizen and I made flash cards and helped it's right ads study for his citizenship test. That's cool and so it was. It was really interesting. Thing where we talk a lot about what it meant like. What does it mean gene to be a citizen. What does it mean to be a concerned citizen and engaged member of your community you know and and for me it was like well. Why why why does it matter? I had questions for my dad like why do you WanNa. Do this and you know for him. I think a lot of it was. I can't imagine and God forbid. Something Weird wherever to happen like my wife and my daughter are here and I WANNA make sure I get to stay here and it was very cool yeah. I imagine that's that's incredibly formative experience. One of your parents getting citizenship yeah no way way but my dad was born in Canada. Can I get a dual citizenship anywhere else just in case no we my my dad's dad was a state rep in New Hampshire and so you know there was little public service in our background but it was also you know all of my grandparents are first generation generation Americans and so we have the sort of emigrants story and they all I know I think my parents both grew up pretty you know working class even middle poor and so that was also instilled in me to idea that you know this is a country where immigrants were welcome. Our families were immigrants but also you know we can remember when we didn't have a lot and this is a place that offers opportunity should offer opportunity so I think all of the sort of the political stuff is in the background even if I didn't know it at the time yeah and it is it's it is so formative this those kinds of experiences I mean I remember asking my mom as a kid. Why we don't speak Italian in our house and my grandmother my mother's. There's mother refused to let her mom so my great grandmother speak Italian to my mom because she wanted them to simulate and because there was so much kind kind of tension and you know not that it's any way shape or form the same experience that people of color have had in this country but like there were really charged derogatory terms that my family heard all of the time because they were these Italian immigrants and it's wild how in one generation ration- you can lose you can lose your culture by trying to fit into another. I don't know I just I think it's interesting. Do you know where your family came from grandparents great grandparents. Reese Italy and on my dad's side French-canadian so dead say a Oh. I have a few words that I say that people are like are you Canadian yeah. It's like sort of a half Boston half Canadian accent. I know exactly what it is the thing I can the people who are Canadian always are like Oh. You're Canadian because I don't say Canada. I say Canada. Oh yeah that's a that's a night. There are just words like Toronto that you say Oh my dad hardcore say well. What do you think about and I'm like Dad Canadian. ADM But I guess it's the it's the New Hampshire. You know some of them. They all came down from Quebec and then also you get a little the Boston accent in there too and then the Netherlands to a little the Dutch stuff. That's those are all the yeah a little mix of everything my dad my dad's Montreal but not French Canadian. I think think think my my dad whatever my dad's Canadian family is like I think generational came over from Ireland and really. I've only learned that because I did the genetic testing before I knew they were handing over that data and I was like God damn it. I am such a data science nerd and I can't believe I got dukes but uh-huh honestly whatever I was like cool I just what are you going to do with it. Like I know interesting information to offer you enjoy my breakdown of the different places like historical migration so okay childhood is pretty idyllic. Family is great. There's there's influence in hindsight you see how how there's this sort of good citizenry and political influence happening. What is your first job because you weren't like writing for your first job right my first job like first job out of college no I I I was a worked with the cash register at CVS first one then the interesting job I had most summers and high school was telemarketer at a local newspaper and what the Eagle Tribune newspaper and selling newspapers over the phone fucking brutal really good at it though I did it with my two best friends in high school we got we would drive to the town next to us and we would just do like ten hour shifts with a bunch of other people newspapers sell newspapers all over New England so to this day when I go back home. I'm from north of Boston but I go to Maine New Hampshire and I like see these newspapers. I remember when I saw that newspaper. That's so great we get. I mean it was a good practice for like door knocking and politics and organizing stuff because people would hang up on you. They'd say awful things to so. You didn't like what people do telemarketing but I did that all through high school I also. I think it was my senior year junior year. I had my first internship that was political in the in the State House in Massachusetts in Boston and I worked for usually republican state senator. I guess it was my first year in college because he had gone to holy cross where I went to college and so I turned in his in his State Senate office and I really enjoyed the internship and I enjoyed politics and then I I started thinking about that more as a possible career option. What was it what what kind of woke you up there. I mean I had always been interested in. You know I did like student government. When I was in high school and then you were involved in College Democrats frozen Golden College Democrats I started becoming you know sort of passionate about specific issues in college because I was a science major sociology major and then you are a real traditional holy cross of community service you know in so worcester is the is the city where holy crosses located in and we go out into worcester and you know I volunteer at the local welfare office. Try Try to make sure that welfare recipients their rights were being upheld and so we worked with some lawyers to make to advocate for people getting welfare and I started doing projects like that in thought you know it's great to do all the service but they're sort of bigger laws at stake here are and there's decisions being made by people you know hundreds of miles away that are impacting people's lives in the community and if we can change those laws us than we can make even bigger impact so my interest in community service in my interest in politics sort of like start fusing together and then junior year in college. I had the opportunity to do an internship in DC and sort of by luck. I ended up in John Carries Office. He was thinking about running for president that was two thousand and two and so when I graduated in two thousand and three I joined the Carey campaign as is a assistant press assistant. That was just answering phones getting coffee tips or that comes with being an assistant. Oh yeah I remember I mean before college but in the summers in high school I had to work for my dad. My Dad was like you're going to do the worst jobs there are because that's what the real world this was like okay and yeah just like making coffee and running errands and like repainting floors after everyone got off work at the studio and like yeah yeah. It's good to do that work. I think so I always I you know no. I I love millennials and I think Gen Z. is also pretty amazing but like my one caveat is like guys just because things look cool on instagram like you don't start there like you have to be the coffee runner yeah. There's a lot of it for you. It's sort of you know like the fancier answer the college that you go to you know some of the graduates coming out of those colleges will think that they can land landed an internship and immediately really. You're like oh well. Did you read a speech for Barack Obama as part of your internship right but you know I i. I always tell young people today. The best advice is like you're gonNA. Go do an internship or take an entry level job in you're GONNA do shit work and you should do it with a smile smile and just always ask your boss like what do you need. How can I help and if you're very helpful and you have a good attitude your talent. Will we spotted eventually and then you'll be able to move up the ladder and get the job that you want. I always tell people that the best question you can ask is what else can I do. Yeah for sure because if you ask for more responsibility not to be to. La like manifest ear and you know if you're putting out there like I can handle more energetically the people go oh that person can handle more and they start to give you more responsibility and you start you start to learn so this is coming to you like your parents telling. I know and I was a kid. I did all that kid. I did grunt work okay so so Kerry's office you go back. You're working in the press department and what happens. I WANNA I WANNA walk the bridge so I get there in June of two thousand and three. That's when I graduated graduated and the campaign is not doing great. It's like sort of the beginning of how that campaign fell apart in the primary so at the time Howard Dean started catching on if you remember that campaign and right and so power deem surge sort of stars in the summer of three maybe a little bit followed three and I was looking back at the polls and John Kerry's like one two percent and some of these polls also ends up being the Democratic nominee John Edwards was down in the polls to ends up being vice presidential nominee and the campaigns not going well and and there's a big shakeup and the campaign manager is fired. He leaves bunch of other people leave couple couple of my boss and the press office at the time. Robert Gibbs leaves he was the press secretary and new crew comes in and at the time there's one speechwriter on the Carey campaign scanning attorney and I was sitting next to him and I sort of bugged him. Maybe a little bit more than an assistant showed like we just talked about. Do you need help on the speech and he's like well. You're not a speech writer but I would always ask him every day and so the new staff comes in and Andre are why do need a deputy speechwriter for this campaign to continue and Mike why I can and do it and he's like why don't think you can do it. You're not really you're not speechwriter and then the new communications director this woman named Stephanie Cutter. She looks ranches. Oranges like we'll look we don't have any money and who knows how long campaigns. GonNa last at this point and so why don't we just promote FABS deputy speechwriter he's decent writer and because we're not going to get anyone else to join. The ship aches so became deputy speechwriter and they didn't have to pay me anymore. I was was talking like twenty thousand dollars a year. So then carry stages this comeback because Howard Dean flames out and John Kerry makes this sort of elective collectability argument and he becomes the Democratic nominee. I go through that whole campaign just brutal as you remember. I I was like but he seems Nice. What's happening. He's a great but it was it was a great lesson in how Republicans run campaigns especially how the Modern Day Republican Party runs campaign also break down for people out on this the formative experience experience of that campaign was the swift boat Veterans for Truth which was this organization that decided to attack John Kerry's war record and certain record of service and aired all these false tax on him and L. scenes seems kind of quaint now because trump as president but at the time it was the kind of thing that shocked everyone that there would be this shadowy group running these ads and that Bush wouldn't condemn it and people would lie people would lie hi repercussions yeah and and you know it was it was post nine eleven and Bush used fear to win that election to is to say that John Kerry wouldn't keep us safe and so you know I was pretty and we had our own internal problems in that campaign to right there was like it was based in DC. There was fifteen consultants the jumped on board. You can probably more in the general election multiple pollsters multiple people working on every single speech speech by committee everything by committee and you know so th- internally the campaign was a little bit of a mass and the the Bush campaign was just brutal and so I left that campaign thinking. I don't know if I'm going to stay in politics like this is just I'm. I'm pretty cynical afflict twenty three years old to crush your enthusiasm. Yeah I mean I remember. I remember being home Boston when we lost and I I went back to my parents house the next day even though I've been living in DC and I was just woke up in my parents house and just sitting there like I want to come. I think I wanNA come home. Maybe I'll just go to law school like my parents. He's wanted me to that'll be that so I thought that was it. In then I get a message from Robert Gibbs who had been my boss in the Carey campaign rain who when he left joined Obama's Senate race Nand he texted me and said you know Barack Barack Obama writes speeches wrote the Democratic Convention speech in two thousand and four but now that he's a senator. He's going to need to learn to work when someone is speeches because he doesn't have time to do it all to delegate so would you be willing to come in and sit down for breakfast with them and see how it goes so. I decided to do that. I'm having this moment because I'm like God what an intimidating thing to have somebody come in breakfast with Obama and then I'm like right right right but the it was exciting because he's like rising star in the party who very famous speech in but I wasn't you know at that point. I had been working with John on carry on speeches though wasn't sure so crazy to me. So what's Brunch like was oh I I I read his era drew. My father to prepare and end even more than the two thousand four conventions beach dreams from my father made me want to work for him. Then I really excited about it because I thought if someone can write eight this honestly about race about their personal life drug use whatever it may be and now this this guy's a senator. He thinks he might have a you know a career in politics and might even run for president. You know like who knows if he's going to be honest like I wanna I wanna jump on board and see what's let's lower refreshing yeah so. I was really moved by the book and I thought okay. Here's what I'll do. I will see how this interview goes if he likes me if Vitas Mu whatever if he likes me and wants to have a job I could do this for a few years and then go to law school because he's definitely not going to run for president thousand eight because he just got to the Senate. Would I knew is that I did not want to another presidential campaign because it takes so much out of you so I sit with them for breakfast. It's his first week in the Senate. We sit you know in the Senate diarrhea dining room not where like the senators go because I don't think he realized he could sit there yet. It was just like with everyone else uh-huh and he was he basically asked me the question. You asked me at the beginning of this podcast. He said like tell me about your family life. Tell me about growing up. What got you into politics. Yeah just the most easygoing interview that I ever could have imagined best best job interview ipad asked me about if I had a theory but speechwriting and he said no of course I don't have trading but I noted that most politicians most democratic politicians and Republican politicians is to they see speeches as sort of a collection of soundbites an applause lines strung together and what I loved about his convention engine speech was he told a story from beginning to end and there was a story about his life and how his life fit into the larger American story and you you know I said I think we'd be better off for more. Politicians told stories in their speeches not like I met a guy in Iowa stories but like the speech is a story and and it's not seen as a collection of applause lines or collection of like how am I gonNA get the most interesting sound bite out of this and he's like yeah so then at the end of the interview. He just looks at me and he goes well. I don't think I need to speechwriter. He goes but gibs tells me Gibbs tells me I do and you seem nice enough so let's give this world and that was it. Let's give this a world. Give it a whirl there there. There's you're buzzed line. Though it's pretty good info quote so what what is it like to give it a whirl with a senator. How do you begin. What's the what's the speechwriting process like. How do you learn to collaborate with him. I remember the first speech I ever wrote for him. Was He had to go to John. Lewis's sixty fifth birthday celebration and get a speech there. He was a very nervous about that because it's John Lewis and Kereta Scott King was going to be there and you know all all the civil rights greats who were still alive at the time in two thousand and five. We're going to be there and so I- rated rated dry so I talked to him about the speech. He tells me a little bit about what he wants to say. We sit and talk for about a half hour and I leave to go home and right. The draft of it is walking out of the Senate office. He's like hey fabs. I know this is your first speech from me and I know you're probably a little bit nervous but I'm writer too so I know that sometimes the Muse strikes and sometimes it doesn't so if you go home and you you're feeling it and you can write it. That's great and if you can't they don't worry come back in tomorrow and we'll work through together. That's how that's what he said so why didn't Angel I mean just the best go home. I write this draft the back end. Give it to him. He's bins longtime with these marketed up. He's editing writing his own stuff and then he he comes over to me with the draft. That's all marked up and he's like so I have some edits and I just wanted to make sure you're okay with everything that I'm doing here and just wanted to walk you through some of them and it's like you. WanNa make sure I'm okay with your edits your fucking Barack Club but that's how and that is how are collaboration was for eight years. Never yelled at me never lost his temper. It was just kind generous thoughtful just the best boss Oliver half. What a gift yeah it was and it was just like it was a joy you know yeah? I mean I was plenty of time that I was stressed out and I thought that I was able to handle the job but not because you know wow so in hindsight. Most of us haven't done what you've done. What do you think makes a good speech. How do you break that down. I think it's sort of what I always saying about telling a story right like I think when we we communicate with each other just one on one. We try to tell compelling stories. That's how we get our point across across our. We persuade each other. We try to be animated. We try to be entertaining and I think somewhere along the line. People decided that giving a speech beach had to be completely different than just having a conversation with people and and then these speeches became at least political speeches became stilted. They became sort of workshops. They're all a little calculated. They're all little cautious. Politicians are a little worried about what they're they're saying. They all start to sound the same. There's either people were trying to do an impression of JFK or an impression of some other person delivering being a big you know a good speech political speech and I always think that the best speeches come from the person delivering the speech so I think Y- it 'cause after Obama went onto a little consulting speeches for a bunch of other people and I'd always say if you have time to work with speechwriter closely than you can deliver a great speech beach but if you just think you're going to be able to hire someone to write something for you and you're not gonNA play a big part in that. You're not going to get a good speech and so I think what makes a great speech is figuring out at the beginning of the process. What is it that you want to communicate in the speech in like two sentences or less so like figure out what you want people to take away from the speech. I what the messages passages that you want people to walk away from the speech with figure that out first and then build the speech around it because otherwise you're just gonNA start you know assembling bling different blocks together and it's going to be sort of Shitty so I think storytelling is key. I think trying to make it as true to yourself as possible is key. I think taking some risks in speech is is is good. I remember when Obama wrote the race speech each and I worked on with him and you know the parts that speech that I wrote or parts than any politician could have written at the parts that Ah Brock Obama rogue which most of the speech for lines like you know. I can no more disown Reverend Wright than I can. My white grandmother who also said things that made me cringe uttered racial. She'll stereotypes. That made me cringe when I saw that line come back from Obama in that draft. I was like well I could have written this line. Never critiqued your white grandmother speech on race that had to come from him and then I remember right before he gave that speech he said. I don't know if I can get elected president saying the things that I want to say about race but I also know that if I'm too afraid to say them that I don't deserve to be. President I listen every day the president we have now it's interesting because the the words that sort of jumped out at me the as I'm listening to you talk or things like transparency and radical vulnerability and I think vulnerability feels risky to people and the politicians yeah which is strange to me because we've lost the PAS a little bit like they're out there just trying to get reelected all the time and and we're over here going hello we elected to work for us not to not to run your campaigns and I think that part of at least for me as a as a voter and an advocate in person new signed up to campaign really early. I was so inspired because I hadn't seen in politician talk to us. I'd never felt like a politician talk to me that way. He was a human being who I trusted and I. I wish that we were cultivating more of that. Energy in the space it will in part of cultivating that energy is I think I think one of the reasons that politicians are more openly vulnerable or transparent is because oftentimes you don't get rewarded for that by reporters by the media by twitter by the culture that we have now so if I say something that I really believe. It's a little risky key to say or that might not be that popular. Am I going to get dragged for this. Am I going to get criticized for this. Is that going to be the end and so maybe I'll say the safer thing and you know we'll get people excited but at least I won't get attacked and I think you have to be you have to be more more afraid of coming off too scripted and too cautious than you are of committing the occasional gaffe because if you are if you open yourself to to being honest saying what you think saying what's not popular your goodness and and just and not calculating every word that comes out of your mouth is a politician. You'RE GONNA screw screw up. You're GONNA say something gets in trouble but as a whole people are GonNa look at you and say well. At least that seems like a real person right. That's so interesting. Yeah it's funny. I've had people you know as a person who works in entertainment but is more sort of political and into journalism than anything people blue said like wow. It's it's a really risky. You know the way that you're willing to just talk about everything and what I realized. I've never worried about coming off a scripted because my social channels are my space for my own words so that's not possible. Mike script is the thing I say at work. wrote it but what what I realized is that kind of thing that you're talking about like not being more afraid of coming off scripted than making a mistake I I am incapable of like living with in my own body and having the platform I have I can't exist in the world old in the way that I do without saying the things yeah because then I feel like I'm just selling out the privilege of the megaphone that I have have and it keeps me up at night now. How do you deal with you know the people in your mentions or in your criticizing don't care hi there. Eve Evil actually people some of them like you know. I think a lot of people make the assumption that I just WanNa talk to people who think the way that I do. I actually really enjoy sitting and having critical debate about issues and they like to talk to people who don't believe in the things that I believe in as long as their belief systems are rooted in hatred of other people 'cause like for me. It's like that's. That's my council culture where I'm like. Oh you think other people deserve to die I can't have we have nothing but you know we can. We can debate fundamentals and ideas you know fiscal responsibility and policy great. I met but I've had to learn that there is an assumption because when people see you as a two dimensional human you know they they see through a screen. They forget that you're a human being can believe in many things at the same time as feelings shocker that there is this sort of assumption in that you think you're infallible and that you think you're always right and I've had to get very clear on explaining my convictions versus versus an assumption which I don't have that I I know everything I'm deeply convicted about right and wrong and we'll fight for it but I'm always also willing to learn and so I tried to have of forward-facing conversations about things that I do learn about ways that I have entered into spaces and learned how to advocate vacate more deeply ways that I've had to broaden perspectives and I think is some version of that conversation of like getting real about what you don't know and being willing to own the you'll probably make a mistake being willing to say to people like hey. I'M GONNA come. I'm in here and work on this problem. That's really complex and probably GONNA fuck up and if I do please be cool enough to let me know and tell me how to learn how to do better how to had to get deeper that that has been. I think the most sort of teaching experience chance for me it'd be nice if we all sort of made space for public figures to political figures to do yeah and it's weird to me that there's this the thing of the first time you screw up. It's over forever and the and the double standard is also so weird to me like you know we're talking about. One of the Best I men I think who's ever lived. Brock Obama's a special human being he has a special incredible aw human being and like he got dragged over the coals for wearing a tan suit like what and what happened in now you see what's going on in there. There's there's this unevenly weighted scale for some reason because it's like like people who are good we hold these ridiculous standards and then people who are bad. We're like Ed bad so we expect them to fuck all the time and I'm like but except what about when it's it's affecting everything in the world yeah. I think it's funny like not a fashion choice like no our future. I remember after the twenty twelve convention speech so running for reelection we work on the speech. He delivered at the convention. Bill Clinton had gone the night before Bill Clinton delivered a fantastic speech in defense of Brcko was record that was sort of the speech that everyone remembered and Obama goes the next night gives the speech and we get some bad reviews for the speech and you know we love criticizing the press from our podcast and we did in the White House and so oh we fly out of North Carolina the next day we're on the plane and we're all complaining about the press coverage of the speech and I keep going because I'm like yelling about political because that's what I did back then and and going on and on and on at one point Obama looks at me and he's like hey man. How do you think I feel like I wake up every single day knowing that at least half of this country three things I'm doing a shitty job and a bunch of them. Don't like me he's like and it sucks because we know what I'm president had states and at at some point leadership is learning from criticism seeking it out seeking out other viewpoints but then you could actually make the choice and let the chips fall where or they may and that's he goes NGOs. GotTa keep moving forward and making these decisions decision comes to my desk the desk of the United States it means that it was such a difficult decision decision the no one else in the entire federal government or making the country could have made the decision and so often. I'm left with two bad options but why to decide which option is worse than the other ups and no matter what I choose. I'M GONNA get a lot of criticism and you. He's like you have to learn from the criticism. Be Open to it but you can't let it paralyze uh-huh and you can't worry about what everyone says about you all the time you just. GonNa keep move forward knowing that you're doing the best you can tillery content that says that great quote take criticism seriously but not personally oh. I haven't heard that but that's a great talk about you know for existing and I love that. Take it to take any criticism. You're with seriously but not personally is. I think such a good piece of advice. I can't imagine how now wild it must be and it is interesting to you know now. I think especially more on the left you see like this hyper a critical analysis of every decision everyone's ever made and I'm always like hello. They had to make a choice like there. There was an an a B and you're mad about a in those people over there are mad about be but there was no see there was no option C. or D. and I think we forget to your point. The immense amount of pressure that leaders are are often put under and I do this because now that I'm out of the White House I've gone back and tried to look critically at every decision Asian that Obama made and there are some decisions that out there were mistakes it was that he got criticism beyond the Tan suit that he deserved for sure for sure but when you really dig into it you're like well we could either done this. Which people didn't like all we could have done this other thing that people people really wouldn't have liked and sometimes you're also governing within the constraints of a system where your president and you don't have a magic wand and I. I think that's partly what we're all relearning. Now I mean one more I had is even when Obama was elected is that it was sort of this transactional view of democracy right which is Brock Obama comes along. He's exciting everyone. He's inspiring. All these young. People come out to vote for the first time and the belief was all right. I'm GonNa give you my vote and then I'm GonNa go back to my life and you're going to go to the White House and you're Gonna fix everything and you're going to deal with. It and that's and I did my part in your part and I hope what people are now realizing is. That's not how politics works at all because yes. Barack Obama could have focused more on down down ballot races. Yes he could have done more to build up the party. Infrastructure could have done more to campaign on his priorities while he was in the White House it all these things for sure but government it doesn't work. No President can succeed unless there is a country of three hundred plus million people who are willing to be active in politics and and keep pushing every single day and we have to be active in no matter who we elect next time if it's not donald trump like that democratic president even even if that Democratic president has a democratic Democratic senator democratic hosts. We still have to be paying attention every day. We still have to be knocking on doors because so many of the systems are broken. Many of the policies are broken. We're going to have have so much to clean up. I mean the fact that president trump just opened up uranium drilling in the Grand Canyon what the fuck is what's happening everything everywhere and and so I think and it's not just the systems are broken either. It's that is the price of living in a democracy in a country of three hundred million people right it is messy and people don't agree and from different backgrounds and they have different beliefs and a lot of them are acting being in now that we're seeing a lot of acting in bad faith but a lot of people who disagree with are acting in good faith and they're just trying to get stuff done and the question is how do we sort of come together and have patients at least with our allies and work to persuade each other and operate. I think out of a little more grace for people bull that is yet grace's a big one. It's that's not autographs today not and it's really become my biggest kind of priority you know as a a person whose natural tendency is to like Joan of Arc Shit. I'm just like you know I I really in the last couple of years have have had to reassess the way that I behave in. My personal community versus the way that my opinions can I would. I would imagine feel in a in an outward community where the that sort of tenderness and long forms six our dinner conversation listen to pick apart these ideas that doesn't exist on the Internet and I went oh I have to figure out how to bring some of my natural desire for grace and tolerance into the way that I communicate in this space that by nature is more short form and that was part of the reason to where where I went okay. I'M GONNA. I'm a slow learner. Sometimes I've learnt when it comes to things I should be doing and I think that's why finally years into people being like you need to do a podcast. I was like okay. You're right. I mean it took me with longtime to learn that now when I have an opinion to offer that might be a little nuanced or complicated instead of paying up the phone because I'm on twitter all day long instead of tweeting it which I know is gonNa be a problem because no matter twitter doesn't do nuance or subtlety on like I do have the podcast. I can just talk about the blackouts much and it's like. I don't need to be posting all kinds of opinions on twitter every day because I the fights. Don't do anyone any good debates. Don't really do anyone any good. You can do that somewhere else like in person you know yeah. I think it's a great resource for articles goals for sharing same but I yeah I'll I'll write a long form instagram post that I'm I generally I'm going through that and changing every word and to anchor sand trying to get like every extra character people are like you really write long things there might well. You should listen to my fucking PODCAST DOT COM but yeah they're they're just does need to be more nuance and attention to detail and I giving people a group of giving people a break. If people you know people are just tryin and they they should be open to criticism but if someone's trying and someone's trying to act in good faith you know put yourself in their shoes. Give them a little break and then still criticized the person if they need to criticize but don't necessarily make it personal. Don't go after People's motivations evasions all the time yeah. I think that that's a big. We'd all do a little better. You know what you and I should just run like a something if you're going to enter into this space. This is how we're going to do it. WE'RE GONNA make everybody. Nice like in my head now. I'm writing a show where like a bunch of angry. Political people go to a therapy retriever it. It would be really fun the irony that as I'm sitting here we're recording these sponsorship spots. I'm actually drinking. A four sigmatic. Drink is not lost on me guys. I was so happy when I found out they wanted to be a sponsor of work in progress because I have been a fan of their entire product line forever I found out about four sigmatic from some friends who work in the wellness industry three and as they've expanded their line. 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Now I mean my I think my favorite speech of all time is Robert F Kennedy's speech at the so well. There's there's two parts of it really. There's the speech that he gives the impromptu speech that he gives the night that King is assassinated which he just sort of does from a few notes and the back of a truck doc and then the next day he goes to believe at the city club of Cleveland and he gives what's known now as the mindless medicine Madison violence speech and it's just it's such a deeply human speech mortem about our connections is to each other and how those connections have frayed and you can find a lot in that speech sort of speaks to some of the challenges that we have today that we've had since then we've never really overcome but it is it's so poetic and inspirational and so very a political in many ways but also fundamentally about how we all live together which I guess is politics but it just I go. I go back and read that you know every once in a while just for inspiration and also to realize okay that's. That's a pretty good speech be nice if people give speeches like that too. That's gotTa that'd be a good. It's like it's like the version of the poster on your wall. When you're a teenager of your favorite show but like that's my poster speech it as as an Obama speechwriter we we we looked at a lot of King's speeches and sermons and which I find I read like books and books about Dr King's speeches inches in sermons and I think that they are some of the most moving or a Tory because he uses religious and spiritual language he harkens back to the founding in the founding ideals and founding documents and sort of posits in America in an American ideal that we haven't reached yet clearly and talks about striving towards that ideal in that way a sort of has sort of a rhetorical style that is inviting inviting everyone into join a movement as opposed to saying and it's US versus someone else right it's US versus hatred but anyone can be part of this movement and who wants a chair considered this takes right if you you if you believe in and WanNa fight for justice and so I've always been very inspired by most things Dr King set of that so so I just had a moment to because I realized you know we we get into the stuff and then I haven't asked you yet because most people haven't ever ever been there talk to us about the White House. I remember my first time walking into the White House. After President Obama was elected and like I lost my shit. It was the quiz I mean a couple of times but it was just it was the coolest list wildest like the first event that they through the I was invited to and then ironically in the same year I went back and had a meeting in the Roosevelt Room talking king about some policy that I was hoping advocate for and I'm sitting with Tina Chen who is Mrs Obama Chief of staff and we wanted them to get on board and they did and they're are the most incredible women but I was just like what is happening like what is happening. It was such a crazy experience for me and you spent so many years working with him and like you were just in the White House like what talked to people who've never I remember the first day I I walked in there like the end of the first week. Obama invited a lot of US had been on the campaign which is most of their Communications Asians Press speechwriting staff. We'd been camping people invited us into the oval for the first time and so we all walk into the oval and I just I just remember looking around thinking wow we are all impostors like we should not including him right because I've known him before. He became president he was like so. You're imposter. Syndrome was just fired. Shouldn't someone else be in the oval charge. America say like why are we here like Braga bomb is here and all of us idiots that were on his campaign who were all like an early twenties and thirties at the time. It was just it's really bizarre. The West Wing itself is small and feels a little cramped. It's weird right you walk into those rooms like the Oval Office is my pick not that big and that's one of the bigger rooms and it's weird tiny. I was in the basement by the sort of where the White House this message where everyone eats in the situation room watercolor and I had no windows in my office and you know there was no cell service there so your personal phone work aches. You know we had our White House email you. I was basically stuck there all the time and he was like I would throw on a suit and tie way to go sit in a basement windows office work for ten twelve hours a day well at a computer and but it's just you know you never you. You never get tired of like seeing famous. People and dignitaries walk through the White House. I I remember after I think it was some disaster that happens natural disaster that happened and Bill Clinton George W Bush did did an event with Obama to sort of raise money and just watching three presidents walk around in the White House. What is happening here and they're just shooting the shit? Yeah like what's going on. I also was I was getting Eh dinner once at the mess and it was like seven o'clock at night and not a lot of people were there and I was working late as usual and as I'm getting dinner out of the situation room walks a tour and this tour was Jay Z. and beyond say Oh my guy and I'm just like I have my tray with my chicken fingers on it and I'm just looking in at the Mike and that was that was cool moments like that. I'm also in my head like I'm thinking about your base. It's my office and you being stuck in there and there's no windows and you're in a suit and tie and sometimes probably like why am I doing this. So what's the because now I'm directing the movie and my house. We're like you know the the young speechwriter titans tien grabs the pages and runs up the stairs to the Oval Office to tell the president like how does it work occasionally the West Wing When do you go up there. What we happens usually for big speech for big speech you'd try to time on his schedule to be able to go meet with him and talk about the speech and so I'd go into the oval with whichever other writers working on the speech and the communication staff political staff policy staff where we need it to be there. We'd sit and chat with him for a half hour but what he wanted to say I'd type every single word that he said to try to get an idea. Go down back to the office and talk with the other speechwriters about how we were going to write the speech. Get Research from people get all that kind of stuff and it's like a pretty lonely existence writing speech anyone ever done a doctor like Dan the life of me at the White House most of it would have just been like he at my desk. Listen to music while you write Nour's distracts. It's a little distracted which I hate that. 'cause I love music but I can't. I can't write and listen to music at the same time. I can't listen to music while I'm prepping scripts either. Other soundtracks for projects and characters then like that becomes my thing to work. There's songs that will remind me of like Oh yeah. That's what I was working on that speech because I can't I can't remember it now comes on everything is actually Japan the NBA on you know and then you know he would call you up so he would then edit the speech at night. Sometimes he taped to like one two in the morning. Sometimes they were light at at some times he would take out his yellow legal pad and just like right pages and pages that he wanted to add to the speech and then he'd call you into the oval the next day go over the edits or if it was you know late at night and there was a big speech the next day sometimes he'd be in their residents and so I'd walk over to the residents and meet him there and he would like sit with me to go over the speech. They're the only sort of frantic speech processes or like when we're on the road you know and especially mostly on like a foreign trip we were like minutes away from not having finished the Nobel Peace Prize speech in time when we were in Oslo because we were rewriting the entire speech on the flight to Oslo overnight and we landed he was giving a speech in an hour and so we were like last minute make an ad. It's on the plane. I was like like sending edits into the prompter as he was walking up on stage. That was the closest. We got to not having a speech so there are situations like that where either Komo news breaks or there's some big event get really harried crazy in that. It does seem like a west wing episode what happens when some huge event goes down and like he's got to be in front of a camera in sixty minutes. I was lucky because Ben Rhodes might speechwriting partner in crime was sort of the foreign policy national security security speechwriter so usually when there was like a breaking news speech that needed to be written it was because something happened in the world and so ben would take care of it. You're like ha ha like win like Ben knew about the bin. Laden operation hours brought in early enough to write the the statement and so I you know I only knew when I on my blackberry like remarks of the president on you know Osama bin Laden Benz like does anyone have any edits to this is happening. Oh my God so oh but you know I remember when Senator Kennedy passed away and it happened I think in the middle of the night and I think I got a call from the sit room at like three in the morning to let we know that Kennedy had passed away and we'd need a statement in the morning. The president needs to go before the cameras so that happens. You get woken up at odd hours of the night. If there's there's some kind of news events Anita speech their special phone for that or like a beeper. No it's just it's at the time yeah just had to leave my phone. I I keep my phone on silent twenty four hours a day. See I do that now and I had I remember when he won the Nobel Prize when it was announced that he won. I remember I had my my phone in my bedroom looked at it took a shower. When it came out of the shower five minutes later they were like fifty emails on my phone. I was like what happened man and it turned out he they were. They announced that he won the peace prize and they're like wait needs to speak in the Rose Garden couple in like an hour ran into work like three of US huddled over a computer trying to like bang out within running distance to the White House and you work there. I would usually drive but I could walk to the White House about ten minutes. I was pretty close. which is what color? Was your pass the Blue One. I got to chat with Jessica. Yellen House press corps. She lives. Thank you get a blue pass and I was like so cool. Okay so what what would you say from that time. What are you most proud of that. You got to do the other night the night the healthcare past was the probably the proudest moment 'cause you know. I cared about that issue for a long time and we'd campaigned on it and then it was as everyone knows a quite a struggle to get it done and you know there was a moment in that fight win. Ted Kennedy passed away and we lost that Senate seat to Scott Brown Massachusetts in. We thought public opinion is against this. Bill Republicans are against. Is this bill. We don't necessarily have the votes in the Senate to do this. We don't know what's going to happen and some of his advisors. Obama's advisers told him pull the bill. If you press forward with this you're going to lose reelection twenty twelve. You should have a slimmed down version of this bill. Maybe just expand Medicaid a little bit have some kind of patients bill of rights and and just take a half victory and go home and he looked around and said you know what I didn't come here to put my approval ratings up on a shelf and admire them. I came here to get stuff done. If passing the affordable care act makes me a one term president and so I think I should get this done just love him so no and so when he when he passed it and when he you know 'cause that took courage and like actually crying it took. It took her past it. You felt like okay this is this is all the work that we did point to get elected again. It's unlike it. It's worth something you know and we're GonNa make other mistakes and we're going to have other losses is we're not going to get other things done and you know even the affordable care act as we all know is far from perfect but that's twenty million people with health insurance that didn't before that's a big deal. It's the beginning winning and to your point earlier. You know when there's three hundred million people our job is to figure out what does the best for the most people. How do we EH defend community. How do we define community and our country is meant to be our community and when people get persnickety equity about some of that stuff. I'm like the benefit it. Doesn't it doesn't have to start perfect. Perfect is the enemy of good. We're never going to get anything done if for waiting for the perfect bill the perfect thing we should do it and learn from it and continue to better it any arena. I think yeah and fight really really hard and don't you know I don't I'm not an advocate of trimming our sales and trying to start by proposing something that seems like a compromise and all the you know all the complaints that a lot of folks on the left half but I think you fight really hard for the most you can get then the end of the day you have to be willing to say like Obama to with the ACA. You have to be willing to go forward even when it could cost you politically if you believe in it but then you also have to take whatever you can get and then lift another debt yeah on a lot of issues yeah so so what what was it in two thousand thirteen because obviously this is like a pretty wild ride. You're willing this amazing time and then you were ready to be done with Washington but he was still in office. Yeah it was it was hard at that. Look like thank you know I had been doing campaigns or the White House for ten years point. Since the day I left college. I had no other I had no other life besides campaigns the Senate office the White House and that takes a toll on you know my twenties. We're all that was working all the time. You weren't like partying no now probably dating and like socializing on yeah not unlike stable relationships and at that point I had met my now wife and I thought to myself like you know if I want to have a normal stable relationship and sort of like do other things with my life. I probably should leave now and I also thought he deserves sort of a fresh writer. He deserves someone who has some new ideas. It is an new phrases new sentences like I remember when I was working on the second inaugural. It was like one of the hardest speeches I had done because we just did this. Whole reelection campaign campaign he had a stump speech at a convention speech and then it's like now he needs an inaugural address again like I have nothing else to say. I don't know what I'm doing this for years. Yeah yeah and it's when it's like when really good show runners and their shows throwing the shows are still good instead of like eking out another couple of years but it's funny we had been uh we'd been in L. A. for some kind of fundraising swing and the flight back. I told you he was like you. You always love when we go to L. A. And you know you. Let's talk about like. Do you want to be like a screenwriter that we want to do and I was like someday. I thought you know maybe I want to write a pilot or write a screenplay and I told him it's like I'm actually thinking might leave and just sort of pursue other opportunities at some point. It was so hard to tell him but he was so understanding about got it and he's like you got through the reelection and that's good. He's like you know as as your boss. I don't want you to leave. He's like but as your your friend. I understand why you should so. It's okay now. I was one of the first people of that crew to say that I was leaving. I think by the time the seventh close staffer told him after the ELEC that they wanted to leave. They probably didn't get off as easy but he was. He was pretty cool about it and I was and I was ready. I was just and then you moved moved here and then then I stayed in DC for another year or two because I just want my wife and she was like I'm not ready to move to La.. Right now I just moved to DC and then I started a small consulting firm with Tommy Tour and we were writing speeches and doing communications for nonprofits and and people like that and then at the same time we were both writing a pilot for television show. We wanted to write about a bunch of young people on a campaign in Iowa was our idea and we had no idea what we were doing so we wrote this pilot and thought that we would come to. La And shopping around love it had already been out here. He did sixteen eighteen hundred pen. We're like Oh love it came out and got a television show so we should be able to do that too so I moved out to Tommy with to San Francisco to. La We kept our consulting business in the pilot deny goanywhere and then you know I got really sick of consulting really fast just because I love writing speeches and we had great clients because we got to pick and choose who we were writing for but you know it just wasn't the same miss politics I miss being volume is making a difference and that was around the time that Bill Simmons who I knew because he also went to Holy Cross from Boston said you know why don't you do a podcast in my network about politics six because I'm looking to have some political coverage in addition to sports tech and culture all the other stuff that we do so pfeiffer and I and and then eventually Tommy and love it all started the podcast with him and I was like the first I hadn't even heard about podcast before that really bills podcast but that was about it. I wasn't like an avid podcast listener and how is that it was great. I I mean I was like. I don't think we're going to be any good at this. You know we just started shooting the shit about politics and it's sort of worked and then you know the obviously the show shifted a great deal L. between right after the twenty sixteen election because we thought we were doing a show that was just being pundits about politics and then sort of hell are losing massol realize. Oh Yeah we're not out of this and we don't want to be out of this. We have to be in the fighting. We have to be in it and and so what what would you say on the in obviously in the forward space. You're having conversations on the podcast but you're producing this thing. You're thinking talking about the impact. You're making on the world. Twenty sixteen happens and everybody gets rocked. What what about the sort of mission instatement changed like. How did how did the way you thought about the podcast and the media brand real change a couple of things one? We you know we we always joke about this but we're out of the prediction business. We don't like to talk about what he's sometimes. You talk about what might happen or at least tell people the options things that might happen but we don't like to really predict and you know the mission of this company is of cracking media and positive. America is to inform entertain inspire action. Inspire action part is really key because I don't think there's a lot of media companies out there most certainly not on the left that you know tell their listeners listeners and their audience every day. Here's what you can do to change the world around you. Specifically action is so important. It's very important and I think you know. We see everything we do. Here is a balance like like if we do too much of the entertaining than it's just sort of silly and it's not serious. We don't do enough of it then. It's boring dry. If we forget to tell people here's what you can do to change things then. We're just like every other pundit so we do try to balance between all those those three goals in the mission statement but yeah I I. I think that after trump won there a lot of people some people who've been paying attention to politics for a long time there's other people who it's the first time they really started paying attention in closely and Bayer thinking to themselves. Where do I go for information. What do I do now. How worried should I be. There's a million new stories always a day. That seem awful. Which one should I really care about. And how can I make an impact and we decided that we would be a you know a media organization that helped helped answer those questions for you serve as a filter because there is so much information out there that people are fatigued. It's exhausting. It feels stressful. The news used by the way they like model the news after actual cage matches and it's like what a hot mess and I thought this about the media for a long time ever since before I was in the White House even the act of watching the news. If you watch the network news we watch cable. You're basically fed nonstop up bad news about the whole world. This is bad. There's a hurricane here. This person died his murder here. This bad political thing is occurring hiring and then like here's our commercial for you know some lipitor or drug and too old people side-by-side side-by-side bathtubs. Here's the weather. That's going to be bad too and now now we're done. We'll see you tomorrow and it basically just tells you like all the awful things that happened in the world. Does it doesn't give you any options to change it and I thought wouldn't it be great to have media company where we talk about the awful things that are happening in the world seriously but we actually give people away out and were you can talk about good that's happening to we can't turn away from what's bad we can't can't you know act like ostriches and stick our heads in the sand but it's also really important to highlight what good community work is being done. What incredible activism is happening like the change changed. People are making in demanding in their spaces. I just not being pollyannaish either. It's because that's why why would you keep fighting. If you didn't have hope yet it could work yeah and that hope comes from pointing out all the ways. It's worked in the past and currently working today. That's that the news the key like I have so much hope. I have a friend who is from Montana and she lived in. La for a long time and she just moved home and she said that it was really watching all of the women get elected in the midterms. She was like if it's not me then who you know and she moved home and one the things that she's doing is working bears ears because you know. Obama protected all of this incredible land which deserves to be protected and trump did it because he's like like a five year old child who wants to burn everyone else's toys and you know and my friend is working with all of the elders all of the elder under wise women from like six different native tribes that live in bears ears and she's helping activate you you know like ranchers and all these other citizens in Montana to be like no their interests are our interests and I'm just like you give me all all the hope I get photos from these gatherings of these women and I'm just like I can't wait for this story to be out there in a bigger way because this is what people need need to see like look what we can do if we if we really invest in the right way and we need to be motivated like that. How do you guys because you've talked a lot about like the the difference between having an opinion and then being a propaganda machine so I imagine that to make sure that you're talking about well informed and educated opinions here at crooked media like Whoa. How is there a mission statement is they're kind of like a framework that that you make sure things fit into and if they don't they just don't get to be here. How do you kind of keep that live. It's pretty loose. It's more of a square quake yeah. It's a it's a constant struggle right because it is very easy in the trump era to scream about everything bad and scream about Republicans and and we'd often do that but I also want to make sure that we are being factual that we are making an argument that the argument has logic doc that we are not forgetting that you should try to persuade people to your view as opposed to just assume that they already have your view and I always trying to make sure are we catch ourselves. If we go too far down the like let's rant about everything path and you know we have a great staff who make sure that all of our facts straight and if we make a mistake and we say something wrong we we admit you know. I'm sorry we screwed up there. That's fine so that's that's what we try to do but but I do think I think persuasion to sort of a lost art politics these days but then I guess I wonder because obviously there's no speech is being followed your current politico all I mean arena. What do we call it cage match circus nightmare going to be really positive but lake thoughts for you especially with your background like trump as an orator or Babbler. I don't know what we want to call him but like why. Why is he successful. He can't say words words and he says things that are lies. Every day I mean he's told over ten thousand lives to the American public and then he says should that's just so stupid. I'd like you know they took the airports and it's like there. Were No airports. Grow like there were no plans. What are you talking about. So why is this working. I think it's working because because so people give him a pass for all the airports yet because they say you know they think about their own lives there like I screw up. I mispronounced things. It's fine. I you know I'm not saying that's great but I think he he is. A cable news savant who became president. He's like a Cable News Fan right so if you've ever had like I mean granted twitter right things on at six. Oh six on Fox and it's six eleven eleven he's tweeting about it and I'm like Oh my God turn off the TV and do some work in like everything we were talking about about how dark the news is yeah like if you ever had a relative who had grandparents like this to watch the local news all the time and then you see them and they're like oh you gotta be careful. There was a double murder here and this was bad and they become become a critic of everything when you watch the news too much right and that's sort of what trump does like he's very good at telling people or reaffirming people what they think is bad about the world or what they think. We're afraid of what they think. They're afraid of what they think is dangerous out there what they should be scared of what they should be angry about very good at channeling that for a lot of people or introducing new things that people should be afraid of or angry about it so abusive abusive. It's it's it is it's what demagogues do you know and. I don't think I don't even think he he planned to be like that's that's right like I. I don't think he has this like secret fascist. WHO has had this plan to take over the world. I think it is his personality is one of demagogue right right. which is I'm going to go out that he's he's a narcissist and textbook narcissist but his ideas? I'm going to go out there and say what a lot of people are thinking about. What's wrong and I'm not GONNA and he's not one for solutions. He's just he's always like yeah. I'm GONNA fix it. I oh this the island can fix it and he's piece I think he spoke to obviously spoke to racial resentment. He spoke to Zeno Phobia and he spoke to the frustration that a lot of people had add with the political system not producing results for lifetime so how many years of the media saying that all politicians are a a little bit cropped in both parties and Washington is broken place and special interests control. Everything and politicians in both parties have run those ads right and so here comes trump up saying everything you know about everything hate about politics you hate about Washington. I am outside that I don't give a shit about those people and I'm very very successful. I'm rich I can go in there and I can fuck and shake things up and that's why you get I mean if you look at the group of voters and who went to the polls in two thousand sixteen said they disliked Hillary Clinton and disliked donald trump. He Won. Those voters like ten fifteen points. They didn't like both candidates but they wanted him because they thought he was going to be change and so I and I think the silver lining there is now he's president uh he's been president for four years so when he loses when he doesn't what he can't have in two thousand twenty which he was able to have in twenty sixteen is. I'm outside the system and I can go in there and fix things and shake things up because now he's had for years to do it and I think having to run on your record when he has a record like he does is a little bit tougher when when you're embracing dictators and spitting in the face of the intelligence community I mean the joke lit that there's this idea that conservatives are like pro law enforcement. I'm like cool because has no one's ever been more disrespectful to law enforcement and this guy values. long-held police went out the window. It's crazy. It's like you realize is that they haven't been values. They've been campaign slogans and look to your point earlier. There are letdowns. I think on both sides of the field but like like I I wish that the ACA had been a more comprehensive bill for people. I'm not like there's nothing happening with Barack Obama round around Mike. Oh he embraced a dictator who murders people like he literally gave a world leader a pass for executing an American journalist and cutting up his body like what how are we not talking about that. That's a good like if I asked you know Tommy in Venice and like if so we had this relationship Saudi Arabia for we've had it forever right where we've known that there it's an autocracy and they don't do great things but like for a while we were stuck with them because of oil frankly and because of like other Middle Eastern relationships ships and not wanting to start all the wars and stuff like that as if Kashogi him and killed by NBS when Obama was president. I don't think we would be I. I don't know that we could be as extreme stream is people would want us to be against Saudi Arabia but certainly something certainly a lot more than this certainly he wouldn't be having breakfast with NBS. Yes when he you know the last foreign foreign summit that he was at like you just there's obviously political constraints for every president yes and disappointments for every president but this is unique and different dangerous. We do seem to forget that. Presidents have to exist in the world that exists. It's not in the world that we want them to create for us but yeah this is wild. This is a this is a wild. It's just a wild thing to witness. I'm like everybody buddy who has ever said they believe in. Something has apparently been lying if this is gonNA continue okay. How do we get back. Do you think like how how do we pull back from the inane and re enter an arena where thoughtful presidential speeches teaches matter where having a leader who inspires rather than a leader who instills outlandish fear how do we how do we ran it in. You know it's on it's on every single one of us and we have to have to be paying attention with pan tension and being involved. I really do believe I mean it's it's. It's sounds almost trite but I think we have to do. In in some ways the country gets the politics and the government that we deserve and I don't. I don't think that we deserve this right now. But do I hate to say it should be a wakeup call to everyone to you know be involved in politics in everyday struggle democracies everyday struggle and that means everything from donating candidates to making can phone calls to knocking on doors to push in our leaders when the people vote for aren't going far enough aren't doing we thought that they were supposed to do them harder on it and that's all of us have to do that. Yeah on speed down. I've got the Senate on speed traffic and Mike here we go. I make some calls else and then I do think it's the attitude of what we're talking about earlier which is being somewhat patient with each other right like sort of showing that grace the talking about like. I think all of us could use a little more of that and part of that is meeting people in person talking debating this kind of stuff and personally. I do think there's this sort of toxic online culture and cable media and all that kind of Shit. It's easier. It's faster but it's not not a substitute for a bunch of people getting together and organizing together knocking on doors and and being involved in politics my hero me to be too and you know when someone when someone who's an organizer throws criticism at me. I'm I I listen and I WANNA learn from it because I know that that person's been in the arena in even even if we don't agree. I know that they're trying. You know when like a random person who you're just not trying throw somebody they need to listen to as much but organizers of heroes. They really are yeah so you talk about paying attention and being informed when there's this much on fire. How do you guys I mean you as a person but I'm also curious about. How crooked media has an organization like? How do you keep up with all of this. How do you make sense some all of it. It's I this is my problem in like on on my phone on my twitter feed all day long just constantly consuming news and it is is it's all about trying to fill out what matters most which I always think about like sometimes there's scandals we think okay how many people are affected by this issue any one time and so like is the census rigging scandal the sexiest scandal not really but is it going to matter if we they have a census undercount and political power is shifted four generation yet so we should talk about yeah and how do we start telling stories around that that are interesting enough that they activate people who might have otherwise said like. I don't care about the census. It's like no no no. You really need to care about this. Though look a lot of what we're doing now is we branch out beyond parts of America and we're doing a lot of sort of like narrative style podcasts and stuff like that you know we released the podcast called this land which is about a supreme in court case that could decide the fate of half the land in Oklahoma and give it back to the tribes and this woman Rebecca Nagel who's journalist and Cherokee Rickie. She wrote the story about this case. She'd been the journalist on the case and we said let's do a podcast about how native Americans have been treated in this country how they lost so much of their land to them and which is important information for people to learn also told as a compelling story because we're waiting for the supreme court decide this case and they were murders involved and so it's sort of a murder mystery too but like so we're we're we're thinking about. How can we produce more content more stories stories like that that can impart really important information yeah but do it in this sort of an entertaining compelling way so when we talk about it really really interesting things that you guys are doing. I'm I'm kind of fascinated because y'all have started a couple of funds. What's that all about so we have our unifier die fund which is a a fund that will the money will go to the eventual. Democratic nominee and basically we started this because there's this primary where there's a million people running running for president. Is Insane nights initial debase. I was like what is happening. Yeah it's easier to count the people who aren't running for president and so so having been on campaigns before what happens is when there's an incumbent president. Income President just raises money all day long yeah. The Republican National Committee is raising money all day long. They have more than one hundred million dollars on hand already. Yes we know what these candidates are raising their raising five ten fifteen twenty million dollars. Yeah I feel like Jeff. bezos owes. US take shouldn't just be like whatever they are in see has. I'll double check is Kinda. Check Brow. You wouldn't even notice it was gone the Road Mrs Mrs. Honestly with that people can give unlimited contributions unfortunately to super pacs and committees and stuff like that but with the candidate themselves can control fundraising limits so all these candidates running for president are going to spend all their money battling it out with each other and by the time we have a nominee that person will have almost no oh money in the bank and so the idea is let's get a big pot of money that we finally do have a nominee just end and like if you want to donate and you're still not not sure who donate to of all the primary canes. This is a great fun to donate to. I mean we're probably going to do similar fund we are also. We also have a gerrymandering fun to fuck. Jerry Fuck gerrymandering drink yeah and so that is for the Virginia State legislature is up this in two thousand nineteen. God I know Oh and so we could easily flip that a couple of weeks away from flipping. That's democratic control and and we can ensure metric yeah and we need to we need to it's bad news for everyone to this okay. We just said I mean there's one million candidates like you and I could be running for president at this point. Who Do you like yeah. Honestly as I mean we're not. We're trying not to play favorites here media y five and it would it's still be truth serum personally. I've never had a tough time picking a candidate until now because did I have been impressed by a bunch of them. I've been really impressed with Elizabeth. Warren campaign just think from a from a like mechanics perspective of what you have have to do to win an election message policy organization digital all that kind of stuff. She's sort of mailing it and I think I think Kamla Harris is incredibly charismatic. She's tough as nails. She crushed on the debate stage so I'm impressed with their press with mayor I think he you know we talked a lot about sort of having the courage to say what you believe in being yourself and putting yourself there's vulnerable and there he was on that stage saying you know. I screwed up and southbound. I didn't get it done. I'm sorry you know that's that's exciting. I have a you know I love Joe Biden because I worked with Joe Biden the White House and he's a good and decent man and I think he has his campaign has had some problems homes and he's had some problems though I don't you know I have a personal affection for Joe Biden but we will we'll see campaign. Goes you know we did a docket is one one of those moments where I embraced the grace and I'm just like I'm just GonNa let us help one and then you know we did a documentary. Our first documentary cricket media was about Oh Beto O'Rourke Senate race and so we got to know him a little bit and you know he's been struggling breakthrough in this race but he is in earnest kinds hi and did a bunch of fundraisers for him in Chicago Yeah. He's isn't he's a great guy. He's unbelievable and you know he's. He's example. Someone who's incredibly talented. Really think hasn't been running. Has Good of a campaign is probably could well and I do hope that what winds up happening for him like I would love to see him. Get some real Senate experience I would I would I would love to see him be elected to many offices of course of his career and I and I do think yeah yeah to your point like maybe it's just that he's a bit green for this arena and that's okay 'cause he's still adding some real integrity to the space. I Yeah I think that's great. Would I've told you know every campaign candidate who's ever looking for advice in call. You know not really just you made a face. You're like taking a lot of a lot of them. Call it. That's cool. I would call you if I was like. I need to ask you six six hundred and forty seven questions. I'll buy you a coffee in this race or any race and I've said this I say this on the all the time in a field that is this large this talented mister verse. If you're running for president you need to have an argument about why you why now and why are you different than all the other candidates on that stage. What what unique qualities do you bring to the race at this moment in time and why is important at this race at this moment in time and that message has to be so sharpened so clear from the get-go that you know even people who are just casually really paying attention to politics can recite it all your about and you look at the feel now whether you agree with it or not whether you like or not. Everyone knows what it was Warne's messages. They know what she stands for. They know what she's about. You know the people to Judge Generational Change. That's his deal. He's the young there right so like you sort of. Those are two candidates. I think Sir nailed the message part of it and I think if you really want to be six and there's plenty of time for other candidates to mail that too but if you want to be successful especially in the field this large coach you need to have those answers yeah okay last question goal and we talked a little bit about this. I think when when you have amassed some kind of public success there's a big assumption that you have it all figured out and in my experience everyone's still trying to figured out yeah for sure and that's why the podcast is called work in progress so what in your life and it could be personal professional political. It could be about your dog. What feels like a work in progress to you right now. I think my mom always tell may way everything in life is a balance important always have balanced strike balance in your life and I think I'm still struggling with that because I care a lot about politics. Sometimes I think I care too much about politics. Sometimes I am too involved in the news as I'm reading too much news and I'm not paying attention to my personal life my friends my family so I do think figuring out that balance between gene caring and working on all the stuff that we were just talking about and also just sort of enjoying life. That's my work in progress you know I think it's you know part of it is just I tell myself well. We're in the trump era and it's sort of all hands on deck. And what else are you gonNa do but then when I'm having fun and away from it and I'm unplugged. There's always this feeling of guilt like I should be having so much fun. I should be paying attention. so you sort of go back and forth. I get that I think I'm starting to give myself a little bit of grace when I do unplug and I'm like I can't. I can't do it every day. Like cellphones need to charge. Yes so if I'm a battery where we are. We are these like walking talking batteries right like you can and run out and so I've given myself a little more space finally to not feel that guilt if I take a day or two days off but then what happens is on day three I I'm looking at everybody. What did I miss. What's going on. Send me the best ten articles but I also love it. We went to Maine for the fourth north and we were there for a couple of days and I sort of casually looking at twitter but most of my dad in men we got on the plane to come back here and I like Divan because the pod was Monday. It's like twenty minutes on twitter and I was just like I felt more informed but my blood pressure already on the rise well. I'm back in million billion. Things have gone wrong seems awful and here. We go yeah but you know what I'm glad. We're paying attention. I think it's important obviously die. I'm like the biggest superfan ever and you know. If you guys like need a coffee person would come and do that just to hang hang out. Like what else do you need. Thanks for thanks for coming by for sure. This is fun to do this. Show is executive produced by me. Sophia Bush and Sims Arna our supervising producer Alison Bresnik our associate producer is Caitlin Caitlin. Lee Our editor is Josh Windisch and our music was written by Jack Garrett and produced by Mark Foster. The show is brought to you by cloud ten and brilliant anatomy powered by some podcasts
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"It's Tuesday April Twenty Eighth. I'm Akilah Hughes and I'm Jon. Favreau infor Gideon resnick and this is what a day or as I'm calling it for today Wasp America Genius. A make you so much. I'm the president of the company now on today's show we'll catch up with John about what's going on in the twenty twenty presidential race some headlines. But first the latest times it feels like trying to get back on track of your normal life. Did you have before what I've learned? Is that get back on track? It's a whole new track. It's not going back. It's not you know it's it's just all different and it's different forever so it's not getting back on track but it's creating my next track. That was Michelle Obama. God lover from the documentary becoming that was announced just yesterday. Doubt on Netflix may six. So you know where I'll be that day also. Every day I keep an eye on her. She's going places. Yeah she seems Pretty Cool. More and more people are saying in the news. States are continuing to lay out their plans for reopening the big updates from Texas where the governor will let his stay at home order expire on Friday and allow all retailers movie theaters museums and libraries to reopen at limited occupancy sound safe other states including Louisiana are doing the opposite and extending their stay at home orders more on that MMA coming days but for now we've got some updates on the Science Front. Akili you want to do the honors. Yes because it is my job to do so and also doesn't science all right so there's some good news about a potential cove in nineteen vaccine. Scientists out of Oxford University have developed one that has now been found safe and effective in monkeys. It doesn't guarantee it'll work in humans but it's a good sign. It's also like the only time so I'm going to let any amount of hope. So they actually started working on the vaccine last year for another corona virus. Moore's not as popular so these scientists had a little bit of a head start. They've already completed phase. One human trials showing the vaccine to be safe. So that's really really great news. So now they're moving onto the next phase where they're going to test the vaccine's efficacy on bounds of people by the end of May if everything continues on the up and up and they get emergency approval the scientists say that they could have a few million doses of the vaccine available by September months ahead of other vaccines development. So fingers crossed forever for that. Maybe says cross true animals crossed. I love always derail sorry. Let's get back to business all right so stateside the CDC has added some new symptoms to their officials cove in nineteen so before they only had listed these three shortness of breath cough and fever but as more information is coming through there peeing more repeat symptoms. So here's what to look out for to fourteen days. After exposure to the virus people can experience is repeated shaking with chills muscle pain headache sore throat and new loss of taste or smell and this information is helpful for doctors to be more precise diagnosis. And you know for some peace of mind for all of us at homeland allergies and archer. What the broader symptoms are and. They're driving themselves crazy. Yeah I've had those allergies for a couple of months now and it's a little scary. It's a little scary go. Does it go all right? So that's what's happening with our public health crisis but let's turn to the economic crisis The Small Business Loan program known as the PAYCHECK Protection Program. Relaunch yesterday How's that going not great? So this is the program that gives money to small businesses to keep paying staff. It ran out of its first chunk of money. Almost three hundred fifty billion dollars after less than two weeks then. Congress added another three hundred ten billion dollars to the pot yesterday. The online system to access that new money reopened and within minutes bank started to complain about it crashing being incredibly slow the program is first-come-first-served so a glitzy site is obviously really frustrating. It's like you know. Trying to buy tickets to a Dell and then the site crashes and then reload the page in the adult tickets are sold out. And you're you're mad so I know right like what? Are we going to get to see Adelle? Not Twenty twenty five experts. Think that this new chunk of money could run out in just a few days which just shows you. How much need is actually out there right now? In the first round of money the small business administration said that they process fourteen years worth of loans in just fourteen days right but there was also news that the La Lakers got some of that money and then returned it. Yeah you know the very famous small business tiny little operations. It's mom and pop. Yeah mom and pop. La Lakers out here and they got that little loan You know there are now joining other companies that we've talked about on the show like shake shack and Ruth's Chris Steak House in giving money back so the SBA says two billion dollars in loans has been returned. Just like this and it's worth pointing out that we only know. These companies got the money because they announced that they were giving it back. The recipients of the program are mostly anonymous. So we're only finding out who's participating if they decide to reveal it or you know have to publish it in a public filing which just adds the concern about who's getting the assistance and who isn't the trump administration put out additional guidance warning that companies with a lot of money or access to money aren't eligible for the program. But it's really hard to know if that's helped at all. I hope it has so that's a little bit of what's going on policy wise today but since you're here. I wanted to ask you a few questions about politics. Good I got all the answers. Excellent just won't be needed all right so next week. Members of Congress are set to go back to DC. There's talk of another relief bill. So what can dims? Due to strengthen these relief bills we know what they want. Protections for workers ongoing relief safer elections and that. Postal Service bailout. It keeps not happening. So is there something that they can actually do about this? Yeah I mean look. Republicans need democratic votes to pass the next bill and so Nancy Pelosi and the House of Representatives since the Democrats control it could pass a bill. That has everything they want in that bill and then say Republicans. This is what we believe is needed to help. Start DIGGING US out of this economic crisis and you need to work with us on this and so if I were them I might pass that bill so everyone knows what they stand for instead of just sort of negotiating quietly with McConnell or the West. That's right that makes sense to me all right so I'm old enough to remember when trump was like I'm not doing these daily briefings anymore and that happened because he looked like a total dumb ass following what a lot of people are calling bleach gates but then he did one again yesterday so other than being dangerous. Are these hurting him politically at all like one of the streets saying they're not helping him. Akilah. That's for sure No I was. I was someone who at first thought. That like airing daily propaganda was just going to serve help. Trump's approval ratings. But I think what's happened? Is You know the reality of the crisis is something that he just can't bullshit his way out of and you're seeing it in polls now people I think. Ap had to pull their only twenty three percent of people trust everything that trump says about corona virus. And that's pretty bad when you realize that you know. His base is like thirty five to forty percent of the population so they're even people who support Donald Trump. Who Don't necessarily believe what he's saying so I think as he has these experts up there and people polls show that people do really trust these public health officials in these experts but donald trump continues to contradict his own public health officials and I think that ultimately as the crisis continues. That's hurting him. With most voters. Yeah and you know every day more and more people are are dying and so it's like. How many more days are we going to believe that you know anything if people are still dying and like happy talk is going to fix that or or or telling people to go drink some bleach right or yelling at reporters for asking what's GonNa Happen next is going to do it either? Yeah yeah all right and so finally I wanNA ask about Biden. So Corona virus has obviously taken over the news. Do you think that Biden is breaking through with like counter programming? Is it even important for him to do? So you know. What would you like to see him do so? He's definitely not breaking through and I think the number one the president in the midst of a crisis. Just you know the bully. Pulpit has more powerful. So it's sort of partner for any challenge breakthrough and also this particular crisis. Means that like Joe Biden is stuck in his basement. So it's hard to break through. The question is does he need to and look. We get to the point where just being not. Donald Trump is enough in the middle of a pandemic is enough to win this election. But if I was the Biden campaign I certainly wouldn't want to bet on that so I do think like you know. Biden should probably do more interviews more appearances on other people's channels that have large reach right and like try non traditional media. Like you know I think he did diesen. Miro a couple of weeks ago That's an audience that he's not gonNA reach with his own twitter feed or youtube channel. Anything there are. There are so many examples of that and the Biden campaign as they go should probably look for more opportunities like that interesting stuff all right well if you want to hear more twenty twenty analysis and find some reason in this crazy political moment check out the good work from our friends of the wide on their show. Pod Save America Tuesday Wad squad. It is time for a very special check in with someone. I just Adore Jon Favreau. And you know what? Today's discussion topic is how to find solace when you're quarantining with loved ones. So you're in the House with emily. You Got Leo. You got a little baby bud. How did show? That's a great question. How are you finding chill so what we do is we? Try to take a walk around the neighborhood every night. Where you know. Put the funds away. Sometimes we leave them at home put masks on deadly. Oh get a few poop bags and then we just walked for twenty thirty minutes talk about the day. Emily has started tradition where she always asked every day. What's your pleasant thing? What was your pleasant thing for this day so we try to keep it a little positive And that's how we find a little bit of chill. I feel like that's so romantic in lovely and if you're at home and listening and you don't have another person you can always call somebody on your wall touched on the phone so you you have a housemate question. Have you found any quiet now? He also hosts the PODCASTS. And it's so loud in half the time. I'm recording with The Wad squad. I'm like yelling out the door like just shut up top each shut. Podcast hosts. That's rough. It is really wild and I don't know I think that the good news is we have a little bit of space like we have a back yard and then I mostly stay in the guest area like the way. This House is set up at the two bedrooms said in the guest house. 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I thought that was I couldn't even believe what I was reading so apparently during his trump's meeting with the actually have the same conversation over and over again I listened to it on the plane homeless yesterday I think I fell asleep halfway through it was a long twenty eight hours by Isis fighters when she was with Iraqi security forces she's incredible reporter fascinating conversation excellent check it out so win on Friday sauce for less than ten dollars per person per meal Blue Apron delivers seasonal recipes along with preportion ingredients to make delicious home cooked meals customize your recipes each week based on your great pressure because of Russia that's taken off I mean my favorite part of this is that he joked Kislyak that he was the only one who had met him else free with free shipping by going to blue apron dot com slash crooked that's blue apron dot com slash crooked blue apron is a better way to cook sadly Tommy Vitor Lost Orleans still on Bourbon Street we have no guests today this is the brain dead addition references Blue Apron has several delivery options so you can choose what fits your needs and there's no weekly commitment so you only get deliveries when you want them to check out this week's menu get your first three document than had been prepared and circulated about the meeting transcript of the meeting quote I just fired the head of the FBI he was crazy a real nut job I face except when we were hanging during the day and one of my friends from high school showed me his phone and it was a New York Times headline that said trump told Russians that firing nutjob we'll housekeeping go listen a lover leave it from Friday we'd agreed Thursday night Thursday night but given that the news just keeps getting worse okay not a episode I woke up during the rent wheel I laughed a lot and then we laid it a as we were leaving for the Bachelor Party tweeted please no unreleased the P. Tape this weekend I'm taking off from my bachelor party believing the big news would break I thought we were going to avoid but the fact that he's just recklessly committing obstruction of justice in most of the meetings on his schedule that's unrelated like tax for meeting hey guys they just WanNa pause tags for meeting to say even from CNN international correspondent she's based in Istanbul so we talked a bunch about what's happening Turkey then we talked about some reporting she did behind the lines in Mozell which actually pinned down for them that do what you're gonNA do in Crimea it's cool with me now I didn't even hear all that part of the bad policy making is being kind of swamped it's about this spicer did not dispute the account so at least they've moved past the they start by saying this fake news then they say the real problem is the leaking of that it was because he was showboating then it was because I'm obstructing justice now is because there's no no but then it was because Showbiz came up this morning basically saying that like it's hard because it's all right out in the open like basically right this is the stuff that's supposed to come at the end of the investigation after all that work has been done and then you kind of put together this proof that he obstructed justice but we kind of started with that feels quite strange like wait we got to the end of the story at the very beginning but he did so his target is now a target of the probe up until now most of the targets of the investigation have been former trump officials or people that run the campaign like Palm Manafort and was obstructed was making it harder for him no you're right where I believe there was a a a subtle intermediary where showboating was a separate issue fleet making each other better and also doping means Washington Post runs a story that a senior administration officials Kushner Attorney General Jeff Sessions Secretary of state REX Tillerson so we're not talking about bumbling Carter page accidentally landing and Russia when he meant to fly to Kiev and Michael Flynn who's been fired so someone who's currently in the White House someone quote very close to the president senior advisor I frankly jared Kushner in other parts of that Washington Post story that interesting in addition to collusion investigators are now looking at whether possible financial crimes were committed by people close to the for his loyalty three fired Komi foretold Lester holte fired because of the Russia investigation five told the Russians that he fired because of the Russia investigation also made Komi and he met with Ambassador Kislyak the Russian ambassador in late November he's already knowledge that he's already said he met with the head of a Russian bank that has been under US sanctions are under ability to engage in negotiate with Russia so they're saying is the reason that trump said this to the Russians it was in a tactic he was hurting our ability to conduct foreign policy that's why Jim Komi had to go since two thousand fourteen and we know that he omitted those contacts with foreign leaders on his national security questionnaire dupes oopsy deuk-si the third or the fourth explanation or not because it has to 'cause you let's count them it's I because Rosenstein said that Hillary had been treated unfairly that that happened and at the same time the New York Times story comes out of course the competition between the New York Times and the Washington Post who can bring to bring down this administration rate it gets back to the point where like literally everything this administration does is hypocritical because they savaged the guy who set up Hillary Clinton's private server taking the fifth and you can find a tweet from every single you shall endure us for them it's forty minutes tried to get a couple of guys we just have so much to talk about say was all it was planned this way forever it's very freeing not having a guess very loose artem coming to stop you wait why every time I do that pens kicks man of the table what's your problem yeah senior administration official be like criminals plead the fifth about him and now Michael Flynn is doing exactly that interesting Reuters story to that the administration is President we also know that this has gone from a counterintelligence investigation to an actual criminal investigation and a lot of people close to the White House that are worried that investigators feel uncomfortable like he was on a bad for state or something by calling him texting and just checking in all the time the whole thing is just couldn't be more we that was the story on Friday stuff where Komi making it harder for the president to do his job that's right fair I mean so we now know that trump one asked me not to investigate Flynn to escort now trying to actively undermine Bob Muller via a little ethics rule so the White House has been reviewing the code of federal regulations which restrict newly hired they don't interrupt the maestro conducting over there as you imagine that John at not send jared Kushner and then I said I thought it was reckless at the Washington Post refused to name also listen to with friends like these from Friday honorees podcast and yeah and that's it and then you put the world on Wednesday I think you already recorded it right do I still do that. Oh Yeah I do the Info you know now they're just saying like no no happened but spicer's now the interesting he said quote by grandstanding and politicizing the investigation Comi created pressure hid behind the Blue Curtain six eight hundred trump wouldn't call him out in a meeting he was wearing camouflage as a joke show called lumber you can check out right now limit lawyers from investigating their prior law firms clients for one year after their hiring Muller's firm represented Jared Kushner and he manafort what this is recused himself from the investigation it wasn't clear to me whether the waiver would come from sessions Rosenstein Rosenstein but he's now he Rosenstein is now possible witnesses to obstruction but like all of them have now leaned so hard into this investigation as their way of ducking future questions about this issue that if suddenly they just up ended the thing by saying there's an ethics problem for muller that'll be taking more public steps meaning that they will they're using grand juries to get testimony from people's a lot of this is going to get out in the open and I believe a conspiracy theorist online did say that I'm the guy but did say ron with jared Kushner I thought about the rhyming thing nailed it but it could include officials acknowledged context of Russian officials include reported by Lewis much The other thing that happened this morning is Michael Flynn is is pleading the fifth which is a very smart legal strategy I think pretty much every the fly I agree with that can we go back to something because I couldn't quite understand this I don't know if you guys have any other information on this what financial crimes could they be looking for like Joel dealings are we don't we just don't know we don't know fascinating And then very exciting very exciting James Comey our friend James Comey will be tested just a hill up to step aside eventually it's going to be junior associate with his first day at the Justice Department I came here to make a difference from I'm in charge of it hall incredibly Crazy News at about five pm Eastern every day or just waiting for Jim Coming to testify after Memorial Day like what else do we do do we keep up the pressure understand tax evasion I don't think we now I don't even know if it's necessarily related to the campaign right it might be related to it is really to Russia we know right I mean what we know Flynn I mean think about what's it issue here you wouldn't logically wouldn't it be that if your firm used to represent that individual that you might be finding something in their favor or that sort of predisposed did they beat after memorial like Tuesday after Memorial Day they haven't set a date yet I don't know but I don't think they have a specific date I haven't everyone either but that's probably that's going to be very interesting so here's some questions like what do we do about this in the meantime like we're sort of waiting around for either the New York Times and Washington Post to continue breaking in May have had had a financial definitely financial relationship because he got paid by RT which is just being paid by Putin obviously page. We don't know what Jarrett's uh-huh I was making a joke you miss the okay I didn't know you're gonNA joke the punchline should've said here comes a joke I don't know about this is about that here we signed that Shit Line route we can end this little were here because if it looks like a duck you know we're at that point right now and justice justice his wrote this piece I think ourselves that independent or special counsel take a very long time the average investigation is eleven hundred fifty four days Whitewater was three thousand as Iran Contra generally designed it's designed because you're going to be too nice to them not that you're going to be too hard on them I thought it was a bit of a weird it's so backwards it's just once again it seems like they're trying to obstr- her until then do we keep talking about this we just wait and let it sit I mean I think you know the hundred twenty three four days of administration of felt like a lifetime but we're GONNA have to prepare it does feel like if they tried to use this backwards ethics attempt to give it a Bob Muller that Congress would be to come on buddy I mean you you go oh this congress either I know the Department of Justice can provide a waiver allowing me to do this so I know the Department of Justice Sterling reputation understand is if if cassette I'm looking at make a mortgage payment taking a trip to on artiste exactly Yashar Elliott who writes for The New York magazine Daily Beast soon after the post came out said he can we are worth his or her salt would recommend you do that when you're a criminal it's best to not talk about an open hearing a comparison criminals plead the fifth too but like it's a terrible PR strategy but we've seen is news reports of these malls and stuff like that which is true I mean once you have an FBI director former FBI director under oath saying publicly it seems like that's obstructing justice indeed tell him to lay off Michael Flynn the trump did try to obstruct justice in some way I mean like there he's going to be asked those questions but then what I mean he's already set it in a memo that was content we've been beating the Russia drum and for months and months and months but what's actually driven the Russian story has been non political events released nonpartisan Events Right Democrats saying the Supreme Court released the Impeachment Eagle which has been applying for the capital can you what Piccinini logistics okay. I can't know what's jokes anymore for me is not going to happen quickly do not forget about all the other stuff going on I do think though if if chip Komi gets up there and testify publicly that trump did the Komi actually did drove it to that level I'm really starting to come around to the argument that we need to be talking about health care we need to be talking about Wall Street we'd be talking about the actual economic twenty five hundred these they've set up you know entities to to pay for these investigations to hire all these lawyers to get thing ramped up to interview people so okay good they figured it out one try my suits grade timing I gotta go back in Yeah I'm saying to pick up look Indochino makes it easy to get a perfectly tailored suit in an incredible ended into a real scandal on the that's making people talk about impeachment and the twenty five th amendment and all that had absolutely nothing to do with anything Democrats did yeah it's beyond our control is basically this is Pat Save America stick around there's more great show coming your way parts of America is brought to you by Indochino that's grounds for impeachment like I you know they might not Congress this Congress won't act but it seems like it's pretty close to there you know I was thinking about is that look issues people care about not because the restore is important but because that story is going to kind of take care of itself and meanwhile thirteen dudes are writing the republican health care bill something yeah could be just as the idea of a White House lawyer like trump White House Larry like finally discovering the code of ethics and me suit plus shipping is free that's Indochino Dot Com Promo code cricket for any premium suit for just three hundred seventy dollars and free shipping. 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used Islamist instead but trump screwed up in used radical Islamic ter allows no dissent or press access or women to the all-male Toby Keith concert is just such a trait framing it's like he leaves his legal troubles is not a battle between different faiths or civilizations he called his line one of the world's great faiths which is different than during the campaign when he said Islam hates US could that was a direct quote uh-huh this one is inspired by hypodermic needle found on the ground tells us how much fun we're having with the parachute ed I did I did I got a model grant if somebody else had done the monogram ing I think could have gotten straight shooter but felt really embarrassing for me to tell them that's what I wanted so it's just has my initials so the good thing about awesome anyway instead of just saying he misspoke senior officials said he did it because he was exhausted that he's exhausted guy he's like a tire boy the entire focus of the press stories coming out of it we're about something else something back home some gaffe some bullshit yeah so the big so he gives a speech in Saudi Arabia about Islam Tommy is that actually six hundred thousand of them are Ukrainian paramilitary so that's weird weird part of their business this week for free shipping and returns parachute offers a sixty day trial so if you don't love it just send it back no questions asked again that's parachute dot com slash crooked for free shipping and thank publicly after Memorial Day so go out date on the county special pot episode they said does the incompetent one and like there's too much blaming of his staff sometimes they can't fix a lot of the issues that are but like what a stupid fucking thing for campaign official averts the administration we love Indochino here everyone's got their suits I got to pick up my my suit we gotta make sure it's good it's been sitting there love it I want you know that I tried the Sudan in front of Emily and she said it's okay when we killed bin Laden we found documents in his compound where he talked about rebranding al Qaeda in part because we had been using more precise language and talking about a war against terrorists and not a word rainiest we know about it but dog ended it's not like Congress found a backbone there's sort of well speaking of backbones is Marco Rubio said recently he's like well so far against Islamic religion or all Muslims Republicans for years demagogue this their primary talking point against Obama's that he wouldn't say radical Islam he wouldn't name the problem I didn't fall down the stairs managed to stay awake during a speech and we didn't call Islam our enemy I'm glad things went well when he landed in an absolute monarchy sometimes soft towels just like repel water and they don't actually absorb them the parachute she's are super soft and they actually absorb the water I don't know who makes towels like that if it's not I actually the Saudi King today yet again giving up on his American I pledge that that that's a rush limbaugh pretty good are able to create these narratives that stick for eight full years and you know waste of our time and you know if we were a bunch of real partisan hack like the assholes on Fox and the rest of them we'd sit here today always attack People Jeb was direct Energy Hillary's people are so sensitive to any suggestion that she might get tired at their flying like one hundred seventy nine countries it's silly that same criticism of radical Islamic terrorism trump gets into office. HR mcmasters the national security adviser and right away he says that as problematic phrase to us we shouldn't use it and so now they're not use it and now the fact that they're walking back showing that these eight years of criticism were just posturing it was just acting for Fox News for Breitbart and it's of extremism in the roots of it and everything else it's also true for like the silly silly Obama bowed to the Saudi leaders want an apology tour guess what trump out a little bit and unhinged long before trump showed up it was completely empty completely stupid argument it was without content it was a way to call Democrats week with but the thing that drives me crazy here is this Islamist Islam discussion it's like it may be so frustrated for so long I can hardly muster the rage anymore but I'll say he was exhausted yeah I mean but also let's let our leaders be exhausted when they take overnight flights to foreign countries then have to get up and this was always the thing like the Hillary before the Saudis known seem to care about that but it's it's just it's just a concocted thing in the right wing apparatus despite all their complaints about the liberal media got parachute why that happens and let's talk pillows parish pillows are super plus with a five star feel light lofty and supportive it's the secret to better sleep friends among others they push them on human rights and open society and allowing expression because we actually think there's a link between oppressing people and ultimately turning to extremist because sometimes you need to work with these countries are the things right so like we didn't go as hard as we could Saudi Arabia on some of these issues we don't do it with China's much as we could because there's tradeoffs right but like Donald trump has abandoned it completely just holding a glowing orb these Melissa I mean I I don't WanNa play politics about it because like is it hypocritical or is it just that there's genuine turning that into an actual substantive point that Republicans viewed as central to their argument is another reminder of all the ways in which the Republican Party had kind of lost its way and become it criticizing trump for bowing to the today it doesn't matter who did you see that Donald Trump bound brook abode ought to do it hurts your stomach i-i meanwhile trump goes angry and he's like we're not here to lecture you he's giving the Saudis a complete pass on human rights and Bush in if no substance behind it whatsoever they did it for years to the one where they convince themselves of it allows us to debate this silly little signing shiny object while making no effort to actually solve the problem Darren spring that we we we should stand up for as a country instead it's like well if you give a security cooperation were good give me toby Keith concert we're buds like let's go yeah I mean look both parties have been hypocritical on Saudi Arabia or Saudi Arabia looking the other way policy has been despicable and there've been trade offs and I think liberals have been very critical of the at the same time trump not even mentioning it but trump sort of went out of his way not to criticize them on human rights right yeah it will in fact he's he said to them we're not here electricity or give you the Wayne which retreat Saudi Arabia and that's a reasonable debate to have right how hard shall we push them how far should we go and I would say like Brock Obama did more than most but not enough and we should have pushed the Saudis harder they're certainly not good actors the hobby schools the extremist schools that have been feeding terrorism for decades are all from Saudi Arabia so all that money talk about today beef Teriyaki stir fry with sugar snap peas and lime rice I would like to eat that someone please make that crispy salmon roasted potato salad with pickled mustard seeds in creme fresh the character I forgot what this show is about no and look I I think it's fair to say the rush limbaugh we could never be perfect pushing various countries on human rights purity I don't want to pin this just on trump no it's the whole staff Marco fucking Rubio all of them every single Republican that ran for that nomination in different countries you know there's certain countries to push on rhetorically there's certain countries you can do more by working internally or quietly behind the scenes I think reasonable people can disagree about whether difficult trade offs between human rights and our own security that you have to make when you do these things you know I don't know I I mean I think look at it there's more people disagree that's what I'm saying you make choices and you also have different level audrey is dead did eric trump kill him that's what they do that the liberal rush limbaugh and I want to get back into the substantive us on human rights and I I just think it's an abandoning of US values and what we thought were universal principles that Obama talked about in the Cairo speech they talked about throughout and I and of course of course by the way they've already experts time anyone intelligent actually explained the issue to Donald Trump first of all yet join up from inside the studio you're both Naughty Donald Trump booth but like me it was a long flight he also had to do several hours of obstruction of justice while on the plane right so I was working at the production she shows like yes talk to you by the way it was a bizarre choice to give a big speech about Islam in Saudi Arabia and that to be there for a stop it seems like an odd setting to do that I mean I think it it was a bunch of leaders and officials and it was just like it was associated with the GCC conference that Gulf Countries Conference Room so budget plan that polls at two percent in handed off to Congress that's not GonNa WanNa touch that thing or do anything to implement either basically putting themselves on the record for something that's not even his now just decided to go nuts because the old racist in the Oval Office doesn't really know what's going know enough about what's going on is he's looking time for the White House to cook up a going to go anywhere and also has always it claims to balance the budget within ten years of course that's based on incredibly optimistic projections of growth which the budget is going to recommend huge cuts to Medicaid is if the house healthcare bill wasn't enough they're basically confirming that they want eight hundred billion cut from Medicaid which means that they are putting their stamp of approval on the healthcare bill Eight hundred billion dollars cut from Medicaid would leave ten million people uninsured They also want to make did you see by the way this is right before we started recording what he didn't Israel when he was with Netanyahu what he said about the the meeting itself both healthcare and the budget the White House is releasing their official budget this week today tomorrow but most of the details of leaked out as she let's talk about the budget first then we'll get to healthcare so right now they say well we just mentioned earlier we should be talking more about healthcare and stuff like that so there's a lot going on at home with they want to save money by throwing in work requirements for welfare so this I mean even Republicans in Congress are saying this budget to fucking crazy I don't really know what the what is the up there and someone said something about this story about him divulging classified Info about the sources Mo- Blah and trump goes I never mentioned the word Israel I never said Israel it has doing it's so unpopular to do that I don't know it's like Mick Mulvaney who just a Freedom Caucus member that ended up now the OEM be director for the White House the budget director ah no bearing in reality right but that's a classic Republican that's what Jeb Bush would do that's what Marco Rubio do but also keep in mind it bounds the budget in ten years and cut spending massive cuts to the Food Stamp Program to Children's health insurance getting kids off health insurance to disability insurance to pensions for Federal Security Disability we're buying health insurance so trump keeps telling advisors now he wants to get rid of the subsidies if you do get rid of these subsidies it will melt down the insurance markets we know that and so all right as we know the trump administration has to pay insurers subsidies in order for them to keep deductible somewhat low for working poor and poor people unique personality that will allow you to achieve the possible goes I agree I respect but we were talking about this before that that that if you were telling a foreign leader how to deal with McGrady's often Israel by the way just just a PSA to twitter not one of your jokes has been funny you know what I saw bench orbit last night I decided not to delve in Eddie there's a lot of uncertainty from insurance companies who have to plan their rates out ahead of time they have to do that in the next couple of weeks and trump's basically holding these subsidies sausage yeah and that's what they're doing you just have to set up to him you can't talk about specifics because he's dotty old racist and then you let your real the real work goes on behind the scenes shake his hand you let them touch glowing orbits live up healthcare costs for like seven million poor people to harm his political opponents it as as cynical and discussing thing as he's done in office period what happened with the ORB I don't care I don't want to know the orb was quite silly I let's you know it is still in the jokes were bad hard to make a joke it's become a hat on trump you just say go up to him and tell him finally somebody that can deal with the real smart guy you know what you're doing my people know you're the guy you're the guy can get these things done never been so impressed by American President before the Children's health insurance meanwhile while the Senate is we'll talk with the Senate as their plan to write up a healthcare bill soon but before it also I mean at this point to if he does this he end the subsidies and the insurance market start melting down no one's GONNA blame nobody no one's blaming health insurance and they're going to see WHO's an office donald trump and a republican you know for years for years right Republicans have engaged in a kind of brinksmanship with balanced budget but first let's deepen the whole by getting rid of the estate tax and cutting all the taxes that were included h the and then then we'll get to the again one of his key promises Yep pensions for federal workers refundable tax credits for the working poor is on the chopping block and this beautiful little moments stripping out of this trip like my favorite anecdotes he walked up to see he said love your shoes boy those shoes men and as lead they put a gun to the head of the economy and and and I broke Obama on negotiated he negotiated with a gun to his head and decided and thereafter that was a mistake and decided to realize point seven trillion dollars which is in part to make up for a new tax cuts that is already accounted for because their accounting for the spending in the AFC so they're like we it's been fun I feel very sharp don't go anywhere this is positive America and more on the way parts of America is brought to you by policy genus this is something that's actually going to affect people it's not some crazy thing trump says it's not a conspiracy it's not like an investigation thing it's people are going to suddenly see their premiums go up or lose it story genius people are GonNa be like that's the thing that's the one that's the good stuff thirty five million. 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The go-to policy gene dot com today to save over forty percent of other prices for life insurance when life insurers compete for your business you're the one who saves money it's an easy to use it's too incompetent for the job of president Donald Trump sabotaging the healthcare system the salvator strike again liberal Rose Lamar seven best way to settle accounts after a long weekend in New Orleans is the cash I cannot wait to get the amount I'm supposed to pay a friend of yours and ours and then say I think this is a this is really important and really dangerous we need to adjust the way we talk about it this isn't the trump is trying to undermine undermine obamacare he's trying to undermine the US healthcare threat as it was trying to what do we know about the Senate bill so far we know that McConnell has told people McConnell's lieutenants have said he does WanNa vote on this thing they Obama for this they'll definitely try oh yeah oh by I mean everyday trump talks about this he says obamacare is dead it doesn't exist it's a foul it's a fallacy he'll do I went to us immediately policy genus interesting like I hadn't got life insurance have a family need to get it so I went right to policy genius and signed up and it was very easy they are going to love this ad it's a real that trump administration basically trying to do everything they can to screw up the ACA America very the obamacare already by a threatening to get rid of the subsidies and then of course I I can't remember I think el-sisi you are amazing Mr Trump you achieve the impossible because you have a unique you have an unique personality which is funny this Donald Trump isn't just going to put a gun to the head of the healthcare system he's GonNa shoot it he's got a gun in his mouth got I know what he's doing politically dumbest thing you could possibly do it's almost as if he the government that basically put ideology ahead of the country right that's what they did on the debt ceiling they threaten the country with default they said it's pretty nice economy got their shame so it happened to it oh I never said Israel in the meeting so now there's never said he's right Israel to no one ever studies yours is like when I devote information I did not say Israel by name I think that it won't be very soon but it won't be later than July the general outlines of the plan are there working to make the tax credits in the house more generous no sometimes love it you wish the policy genius stuff was little more exciting let me tell you something at the Bachelor Party my college friend who has wife and kid told me he's like you know what I really liked that you guys did that so they're trying to make the host credits closer to what the current obamacare subsidies are they're trying to wind down Medicaid more slowly we've heard rumors of not doing it until two thousand twenty it's basically kicking this whole then decided he wasn't going to go over that and that was the right decision and it rebounded to the benefit of the negotiations thereafter this is the first time this is now the the next step of that process deeper so addition it's going well it's not quite obamacare yeah it's well look if we end up with something that's halfway between the House bill and Obamacare that is still today is a big moment right that'll make headlines that's something to organize around but McConnell is going to try to keep this process it's quiet behind closed doors
This Week in Nerd October 28 2018
"Do you want to keep up to date on all the pop culture happenings? Do you want to impress your Gigi friends with your nerdy knowledge? Well, you're in the right place, sit down get comfortable, and let's go over this weekend. Nerd. Let them. Choice. Ignorance Zia comics to me. Let's get into some news. They've made a lot of movies based on video games. New twist. They're going to make this one based on a board game. And this board game. Some of the king's loyal men are imprisoned in a seaside castle and turned into mice by an evil wizard. They had to battle cockroaches rats and even cats to get back. This looks like it's going to be a really good CGI type movie. Great great game. Great movie concept. Can't wait to see it Godzilla fans. Rejoice not only you're gonna get Godzilla king of Mosser's the movie you're getting God's he'll aftershock the accompanying graphic novel from legendary comics you can get in line behind me made thirty I twenty nineteen to see Godzilla king Mosser's Star Wars fans are really excited about the new Jon Favreau, manned and TV series this going to be on the Disney play streaming service. Some bad news is accompanying that the standalone Boba fett movie they have. Planned is now one hundred percent cancelled. So you're not going to get your standalone Boba fett movie anymore. This is mostly due to the box office Villier. I would guess you would call it a solo even though solo was a great movie. It didn't do well at the box office. They're cutting their losses. No, more Boba fett movie. No word on how this is going to affect any other standalone movies. We may not get any more stand. Alone movies. Still working on episode nine cross our fingers that one does. Well, I wouldn't mind seeing another trilogy. Maybe with Kylo Ren. So guys get out there and watch these movies, and they're not going to keep making them. Another mouse related movie is going to be mouthguard from twentieth century. Fox third thrown about one hundred fifty million toward this movie. It's going to be a combination of live action is stop motion similar to what you saw in Disney's jungle book great story. Great book. It's going to be a great movie as of right now there is no release date for this still in production. So keep your eyes open. There is a trend of them making the popular animals into live action. We have death note bleach full metal alchemist the next one in that line my hero. Academia, this is a show about where world where most people have some sort of superpowers this one kid does not he idolizes those who do you have, you know, your villains, of course. And you're good guys. And it's just him trying. To fit into this world where he I lies is all the good guys who have superpowers no word get on casting for this. Or when it's coming out is going to be distributed by legendary and Toho, you have plenty of time to watch the anime get caught up on the story line. So that you'll know what you're talking about. When the movie comes out, Johnny Depp became Connick for playing quirky characters. One of the more popular of his characters captain Jack Sparrow from pirates of the Caribbean series. There are rumors. He may no longer be associated with pirates of the Caribbean. Looks like they're going to different route. They are not going to have him be captain Jack Sparrow anymore. Not sure where they're going with this. Are they going to go to prequels have younger Jack Sparrow, or they're going to just go in a different line altogether. I wouldn't mind seeing some stories on some of the other characters like your cats and Barboza or your barnacle Bill. There's so many great. Characters they could pull out and do movies from I'd love to see their stories, but as a stands right now. No, more captain, Jack. Sparrow, Star Trek has had a huge resurgence on the CBS all access. The new discovery show is doing Greg renewed. They're going to be launching a whole bunch of other new Star Trek series out of this one of the new ones they've announced it I'm kind of interested in is going to be Star Trek lower deck's. This just like, it's they're not going to be following the flagship of the fleet with the best captain on it. They're going to go with the lowest ripen crew members on the least notable ship in the fleet. You'll get to see Star Trek from the perspective of the actual crewmen who do all the dirty work instead of the illustrious captains on the star ship of the fleet. This sounds really interesting. I wanna see where they go with. This is going to be animated, of course, more comedy something. Don't get to see a lot of instarem trek. I can't wait to see Star Trek lower deck's. I am a huge fan of altitude ever since I've seen him in firefly. He's got great comedic presence. I love his voice work for other characters is just been announced that he has been cast in the new as the joker in the Harley Quinn animated series. This is the same series. I believe that casts Kelly. Coco is Harley Quinn. Dietrich baiters going to be Batman. And now we're hearing Allen to go to be the joker. The Harley Quinn animated series is set the debut October of next year. So we'll have to wait a whole year before we get to see this new anime series. I'm hoping it's as good as the original animated series everybody. Here should be familiar with the Simpsons. They've been around for thirty seasons. If you have at least heard of them, I don't know you've been living under a rock. I don't understand don't have t. Tv Simpson's been around for thirty seasons. They haven't been without controversy. And they're having a controversy right now with their Indian character Apu a lot of them are saying that it's a very racist stereotypical character. They were looking for ways to make him less. So and there was actually a couple of scripts presented that you know, would make him less of a racist type character stereotypical character. They decided just there's going to write him out on ceremoniously right out Apu. They're not killing as far as I understand. They're not killing him off is just going to not appear on the Simpsons anymore. The last I big we saw him was earlier this month on the my way or the highway to heaven episode where you saw him as one of the characters surrounding gathered around God. So are they looting the he's dead? I don't know on the show. Did have a ton of kids and a wife. No explanation was going to have the them yet. But you will not see a PU anymore on the Simpsons mobile gamers, most you lot of people play on their smartphone or on tablets recently. Nintendo. Switches made a huge bump in the market. They they've seen that the touch controls for these games are little lacking. They know that they've seen how much than tend to switch controllers have improved that. And they are working on the same type of controllers for your smartphone. You'll be able to slap on a left or right side controller making your smartphone. More like, a Nintendo controller this will be great news for not only game developers. But game players. You're gonna is going to add a whole new depth to all your game playing on your mobile phone. Not sure how it's going to do with your battery life. My my phone already suffers from short battery life. I'm sure this is just this these peripheral peripherals or going to suck more power right out of my battery. But I don't care. I'm going to do it. Anyway, I'm going to play these games. You're probably gonna see a lot more of the popular games ported over for mobile now that they can incorporate these new controllers they're under research right now, they're not out to the market. But it looks like it's gonna happen. I think is just the next logical step mobile gaming with the actual controllers rather than touch. Oh, it's going to open a whole new world a gaming and a whole new world of developing. So look for it soon on your smartphone. Thanksgiving morning, while you're smelling the Turkey and the pumpkin pie in the oven. Turn on the Macy's day parade and you're going to see the coolest new flow from Nickelodeon. The teenage mutant ninja turtles sewer lair. Multilevel parade float going to be in this year's Macy's day parade. This float is going to be like their big kick off into their new rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles show is going to start coming out on Saturdays at nine thirty. Am on Nickelodeon Hasbro's putting up a new line of transformers. This one's going to be called bought bots. It's. Is energy on which is a glowing mist in the transformers world came down into a shopping mall and a lot of the items in that shopping mall are now transformers there are sixty one bought bonds in this new Hasbro line they're going to be able to transform into everyday things. Like, candy sports, quit -ment electron IX and just pretty much anything you can find in a mall right now. These Bob bots are just tiny one inch toys are going to be able to transform into their everyday thing into a robot. No word on whether they're going to be getting their own comic book or cartoon. But I believe is going to be inevitable. If they are popular as always thank you for watching this video, please subscribe to this YouTube channel hit that Bill icon to be notified everytime. I applaud new video use this nerd knowledge for good. Don't be a hipster later. Nerds. What is it? What do you play? All each.
What you can (and can't) learn from Exit Polls
"I'm laura beale and in my podcast. Dr death we dug into the story of dr dench and the system failure that allowed him to maim and kill patients in texas. Since dr death came out. I've received hundreds of tips about doctors who've abused their patients. I still get a few every week but one story in particular has kept coming in over and over again far more than any other. It's a story about a doctor who sacrificed his patients health for personal profit. A doctor who had over five hundred victims before being stopped by the fbi a doctor who deserves the nickname given to him by his victims. Dr death subscribe to dr death season. Two on apple. Podcasts wondering feel story. Welcome to the lead for meet the press. I'm carried in and it is election day. Wow it felt really weird to say that out loud but it is finally here some words of wisdom to start that you've been hearing me and everyone else in the nbc news political unit for a while. Now please be patient. This thing might take awhile on. The other hand might not but at least until we really start seeing a lot of voter data when post closing. We simply don't know how long it's going to take to count the votes so pace yourself now. one way. A lot of people do not pace themselves on election day is by obsessing over exit polls. So let's do a little review of what we can and cannot glean from them. Shall we all right when you think about an exit poll right. You're probably picturing someone with a clipboard. Walking someone else who's literally exiting a poll on election day and asking them to fill out a survey about who they voted for. And yeah. That's partially happening today. They've got masks and their socially distanced saying they have disposable pencils. But it's not just happening today because you know there's a global pandemic the national election poll which is the exit. Poll we at nbc. News are using has already been asking people about their vote both by using a high quality traditional telephone pole the other surveys. You pure about throughout the election and by in-person polling early vote sites. So don't worry that the only exit polls are going to see our from people who are voting. Today they are not. They've been doing it for a while now. Both people who voted by mail early in person a couple of things to note about exit polls themselves. The data comes in waves and sometimes those waves kinda changed a little bit as more data comes in which makes sense because theory the more data you have the more precise estimates will be so early in the night. Keep this in mind. Analysts who know what they're doing are going to be very careful with exit poll data and it's also true that the exit polls were a little bit off last cycle. Actually pollsters have gone back in reweighted. Some of that data from two thousand sixteen particularly when it comes to education level. So that's another reason to take some of this with a grain of salt. They're trying to get the electorate right. But it's might take a little bit of correction on the way there however exit polls don't just ask people about who they voted for. And this is really important actually. I'm going to take this moment. My final podcast before polls close in america. I'm going to repeat this message about polls generally the most important thing that polls including tonight's exit poll do is not to explain to us who's gonna win. It's to explain to us why voters are making the choices they're making and that could be some very valuable information from tonight's polls which are going to ask not only who you vote for but also what you care about what voters think of trump and biden character. What they think about balancing the economy in the coronavirus how they view obamacare criminal justice race relations all kinds of stuff. And so. that's what i'm going to be looking for when it comes to exit polls especially early. Not necessarily you know things are breaking this way in this one place but instead what's motivating the electorate. What did they say is the most important to them. One final note. Thanks for listening all this time. It's been a journey and we're gonna be here to help unpack all the numbers and data after the dust. Settles and please help you voted. That's good for us if you'd like to hear more of this free audio briefing. You can always download on your favorite podcast app. Hey everyone it's chris. As you know these days i find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day of news and take a broader. Look at the issues. I haven't had time to cover on my tv. Show all in everything from the legacy of racism in america to how community and creativity can flourish amidst a pandemic to democrats could win and deep red america. I do each week on my podcast. Why is this happening. And i'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like pulitzer prize winning reporter in a coal hannah jones. Progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred years of black people being in this country type remarking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that. It's been long over. Author rebecca solnit. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways. Crooked media's jon favreau it's going to be the highest turnout election history which means that. It is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world. I really enjoy our conversations. I hope you will join me for new episodes. 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Pavarotti with Ron Howard and Ondi Timoner (Episode 225)
"Hello and thanks for tuning in to another episode of the director's cut a podcast. You can subscribe to our show wherever you get your podcasts new documentary Pavarotti which examines the life and career famed opera tenor Luciano affectionately dubbed the People's tenure in addition to poverty mister in the heart of the sea the documentary features the Beatles eight days a week the touring mint feature film in Nineteen ninety-six Apollo Thirteen and again in two thousand guild following the documentary series screening of the film at the Dj Theater. In I've seen it a bunch of times but I wanted to see it here so hitter optics was all over Jon favreau they were in the guy supervising the job so poverty why poverty I worked with on the scripted movie rush about Formula One racing I and he he he saw a thing that I had an opportunity to do back stage and everything that was going on on this music festival always been just so intimidated by documentaries you know and I really enjoy the research side of doing scripted you know project window I had to decide very quickly well I happen to I'm on the Board of the Jacob out of learning programs education programs and it's very ambitious and they're doing and in addition to of course being award winning as a narrative director and so I but but what do you think he said in his Jonathan Denver do it man come on first of all you're going to love it because you'll be able to use more of more clock you know so you can move back and forth between your scripted project so you have to go into it believing you know the story shooting long answer but it's partly what I what I really love about it so I had a good experience on the Jay Z.. And liked it and he came to me and said you know I think the Beatles are interested in listening and not a Beatles fanatic not cover it the festival from a lot of different perspectives and sort of see what it all adds up to these guys are in this submarine in this bubble and they're on this journey and titles mean to the world but really what going to do is be on the ride with them that was that's I was I discovered that not until three weeks before we locked that will there was a there was a a hello we're not we're not GonNa do that so we'd get acknowledged that is a fact a lot of the interviews as you know better than anybody don't even make it in you never know what it didn't interview and she was very moving it really brought home what it meant what they had done and for them it was just logic stop finally gave up touring so changed changed the whole bag all it we just had a terrific collaboration Michael Rosenberg from imagine was deeply involved and started talking about subjects and an end and he thought the family he knew they were doing some things to sort of ration- that we need and we all we discussed it now this is the group kicking or about opera than I knew about going to the moon before Apollo thirteen chance to do a musical but just from watching some of the Arias and actually you can make an opera about Pavarotti using these Arias and tell his story it into the art form and and we can we can deal that's what I was a I was gonna ask you was you know sometimes these bioethics can be as you well ashort like they take a year out of somebody's life or an event or you know be like apparent and that his his his childhood yeah I mean and he's so charismatic and entertaining to watch and that it was we felt it was important and again in that seraphic or well I certainly would have tried to drill down on because we couldn't get anyone to say it that we learned which was Jesus thing and the kit and they they the other guys weren't taking it very seriously George Harrison's parents were mortified you didn't want to tour anymore George was being harangued daily like why are you there is so if we never really had anything where poverty was her but you know we kept hearing things like his father had stage does your father feel I would have loved to have that kind of information I thought of you and I'm thinking when I'm watching this wonderful film he's taking his kitchen with them he's taking I'm not he was a natural performer I'm not I love part of the story but I also began to see that I wanted to have more control than that and I and I I The you know look he made he he he behaved this sort of reaching for life both in his art and anyone recklessness would rub off I don't think it will at this stage I love the story he's relentless there's so many lessons to learn also love Abban a his interview was amazing because I mean that's a great interview I mean we should find a way to put the whole thing to the family but also to fans and in you know I think the older it seemed like as he got more successful he felt a real almost a burden I I I I I mean I recognize that but I it was all he had to do with show up he he he he didn't start taking charge Oh from one evening where we had a royal screening of Apollo she she she was totally committed to this mission hat and yet you it's like I mean you could see that was her life's work in you know in in just as Deacon said in a it's I think that's that's understandable it still commerce to some extent but for me getting to delve I mean but for me I'm finding it very Sir Bernstein who remarkable and this sort of lean that imagine the year after the fire in Paradise California and this it gets political in places it's it it operates on a lot Oh and you know and we're still still we're still finding it but I love what it's about of this the difference between doc and scripted and and for it really looks at the intersection between the personal and the public life and the challenges over on the man and what did you find I guess I have two doc dive that kind of exploration and it's also the what's fascinating now that you're now that you're directing scripted it's to be able to get somebody to say it or find the image or the interview or something unless you're public like I'm available walk outside the right and but uh identifying these were you know an editor like Paul crowder so gifted to scenes in shooting them a little bit differently to try to think about interest the one thing that I did find that it's given me a you know out sort of really finding the story which doesn't get the get the shots and the performances that'll help tell that story but you you really don't know into that next very important level of work which is all right well how do we what is it really in what can it really be and I find that that applies to the dock processing like we're we're looking at a bunch of footage for rebuilding God and I'm kind of you know we're three quarters of the way through I'm kind of looking at everybody I just have this total trust in that and in in the ideas and every process has the high wire it really does it's about that it's about taking those chances for one says he's sure that he's GonNa make any he knows what might but he knows the elements to put so many films and so many different teams and here you are stepping into this new realm tell me about entrust for your actors tell me about your relationship to trust not but mostly it's Kinda like post production at you know in some some planning in you're out you know trying to get get the interview under duress or something you
"Say what it takes to heal a culture."
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It's going to be a very fun show and Dan Majority fifty four it's coming out on Friday so if you listen to this on Friday ears are up to a Lotta time right I will interview Senator Duckworth offer mill annoy at the end of the podcast today and I will say Dan is your breasts Franken apologized for the photos that he did not recall or a different recollection of the interaction that she spoke of what are you guys the raise a piece of disturbing news came out this morning Senator Al Franken Democrat from Minnesota was accused by Minnesota radio host of groping and kissing her during a USO trip in two thousand and six and there was a photo posted online of Franken appearing to easy to follow recipe card and preportion degree and be prepared in forty minutes or less. I can confirm that cannon I make belabored all the time we're GONNA make this weekend a couple times because we will never she's like when the jetsons and the flintstones got together and one that obstacle it's just like that was that double there all right so Tommy who's on me and I was like what are we doing the two hours of your life back anyway anyway the Jane Mary Interview Is Fascinating People should listen to in reading about sexual harassment sexual misconduct cushal assaults about people we admire pales in comparison to the experiences of people who've gone through it so it's not too think about this I'll I'll be honest saying that really was a like a Gut Punch US morning you know it's obviously needs to be said that our experience that I look up to you know I read those books when I was in college I admire him and it just really broke my heart to see it so that was just my right right and have we sought out the Santa Barbara Show yet I dunno by some tickets but if you're if you're the Santa Barbara Environs pick up a couple of tickets you know we're not used to honestly to make any connection there but I'll just say that like you know Harvey Weinstein's famous prick adding these are Al Franken is somebody the reaction just being really sad to see that even somebody that you admire even something that you like even someone that you care about view as a leader in the party could have this history the Democrat or Republican to fucking gross it's wrong I thought his statement was totally inadequate it felt like a statement that was I don't have any cook published before this podcast even posts but he's regardless he's gotTa do a much better job addressing what happened I'd like to see him not hide behind papers in for a long time I think it's important in these situations to remember that sexual assault sexual misconduct is not a partisan issue it's an issue that impacts women and we especially guys especially for Obama Bros. who host a podcast needed to call out behavior like Senator Franken's is totally unacceptable does not Matt inevitable that at some point there would be a current sitting democratic politician who you know or Democrat would be involved in some allegation about this would be something that prevents you from being president and I think it probably should prevent you from being a US senator to and if he was a Republican you know we've been lambasting the Republicans how they've responded to Roy Moore and tribalism and everything and we have to confront now that it is someone in our Party and Matt Walker Shave myself so online I I went to the gym and then I went to shake the guy behind me online was also at the boot camp and so the question that I've been wrestling with this morning is should he resign and because what he is accused of here is the under should be true of of Senator Al Franken as well and it's it's not really clear to me how whether he should stay in office in the situation yeah had many things to disqualify finding from office but this was particularly you know above all else being accused by more than a dozen women of sexual assaults having to have any left so this is a new experience all of it's never happened before usually it's just gone and minutes and I was at and Barbara what these what these wandering nice conversation and it's very much worth listening to well thank you John I could I could feel your presence as I was doing it we're going to talk about so many things before we do that I want to what the the history of these situations is usually there's initial story and then there's a whole other round stories and maybe that will be the case here maybe there will be more detail and there needs to be repercussions for terrible behavior in the past and we're figuring out together how to do that you know we also should recognize that this is unusual statements and go out and have a conversation about what did it didn't happen in not just like say what it takes to keep your job but like say what it takes to be we've never done this before right we've never been a moment of women coming forward on mass and saying here's what happened to me here's what this person did here's what that person did and it's hitting Democrats and it's hitting Republicans hitting could have been behaving in this way believing it was acceptable believing he'd get away with it was it was a heartbreaking thing to say I had a reaction I mean I I too have looked up a center tender frank the if true is the crutch Republicans held onto for more for a long time and then some Alabama Republicans went to reflect on how we handle these things and in this case I think you know I think what Dan said is exactly right that that these are the standards we're going to hold Republicans to these are the thought very highly of and I hope our party you know what we say as podcasters is not particularly instructive here but exact same thing that donald trump has been accused of by many women and we viewed that to be disqualifying I mean trump was obviously just I hope our party response to this without regard for either friendship for Al Franken or hit him things we should be better than that and there is no there is cynicism and holding your own side to a lower standard and their cynicism and holding the other side to a higher standard I mean these yeah his face these sorts of allegations yeah the Republican Party has said as long as you can help us push through tax reform or whatever our priorities are we're fine with your personal failure art of healing a culture that is broken royally fucked up right now so that's my take I had obviously this similar reaction and this was this on her show it changed the way I think I am still processing these questions but they are painful but there's something the Democrats are going to have to come to terms with are we despise and it's heating people we look to admire and it's and it's hard but it's ultimately good but it's also you know I think it's also worth taking them being a member of their tribe ride treats it as they would if it was Roy Moore or a Republican senator or Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey or whoever else okay and I think a lot of forces in our culture are colliding we are in the middle of an extraordinary reckoning about behavior in the past people Minnesota are going to make a decision and all of us will weigh in with our opinions yeah I mean I think it's urgent to do the right thing it's not urgent do the right thing in the span of a few hours right as it's Eh just I think people we deserve to learn as much as possible we deserve to hear the person respond as thoroughly as they possibly can and then I think that designed for immediate PR help for himself and not to actually like do some soul-searching about what might have happened or may not have happened Oh and then the little bit of the rest of it on my walk to shake shack after the gym and it was really good really good I was riveted yeah I've been it's been really the Bill Clinton part of this conversation I think there's a longer conversation to be had about it and I agreed I highly recommend on eighty two I want to read more than like a couple hours worth of stories before commenting on the resign or not resigned I don't mean that to be cowardly like if I think he should resign dissimilar conversation that's happening about Bill Clinton's behavior when he was president and before I think Marie Cox had an incredibly honest and important conversation about conversation on it but I've been struck by the amount younger people who I know here here's from Cisco who've asked me about this in recent weeks one of who we like in respect in our Party and is an important voice for Democrats that perhaps the same fate that we would have wanted for Republican Senate Senate was always a closer call just because they need they can only lose a small handful of votes and just to make things more challenging the Center and Democrats wind and so we're still winning even if the news is dark today and so on on tax reform the house is GonNa vote today political suicide in order to appease Paul Ryan and rand and their donors but the real action as always in the Senate and the thirteen million people on cause premiums skyrocket. Tommy what was your reaction as we heard this news I I mean it's just it's idiotic it's it's to me just focus on the right people for once conversation about the Clintons and their moral failings and durant all right let's pivot to a more cheerful subject tax reform and it wasn't this week coming off the big beacon show we so the big beacon show we have another beacon Joe with that it's GonNa come out as our special Thanksgiving episode this week I'm going to leave we have van Jones Andrew to hold Democrats to and once we have more information once we have all the facts I think it's going to be hard to avoid that conclusion it's very hard because like when we say no Republicans the Other Day added repeal of the individual mandate to the tax reform bill so not just willy will the bill as you guys I think described in great Electoral Victories and just to throw light in their Democrats also picked up a seat in deeply read Oklahoma last week earlier free tuition and now under this bill that tuition will be counted as income which will quadruple this person's taxes and make it impossible for him or detail Monday balloon the deficit give the benefits to the wealthy raise taxes on millions of middle class Americans but now will also take healthcare away from the just the work priorities to look at the tax code and say the fifth sixth and seventh billion dollars that Ooh how much harder are we going to try to create dynastic wealth and make it impossible for people to rise up in this country achieved the American dream right we're going to we're going to allow the estate tax of a bizarre legislative strategy that they would try to sneak this bill in by making it as bad as humanly possible within the bounds of the rules there is no way a person can call Al Franken to resign and then believe Donald Trump should be president simply not video what he describes like Steve Bannon and we'll talk about later are still holding onto his relates to more but we know we we also believe that we need to believe the women at who say this and they deserved hey for that by asking Grad students to enough I'm so sick of these physics Grad students with their free ride not paying taxes on their Lee in college campuses it's like it's like a bill written to target people they know don't vote for them I mean we need physicists we want people we want look into Yank healthcare away from Americans God so dark when did this become in years to come I think as a conversation that's going to be ultimately led by women which is why I think it's good that you talk to Tammy Duckworth about this it's good that on Rebecca talked about on political playbook tells me that it is almost certainly going to pass which means that there is a large number of Republicans many in the state of California who are willing to commit can get an extra million I mean that is crazy one person gets an extra hundred million dollars ten thousand Grad students pay ten thousand engineers we want people to go to Grad school and to be able to afford it and like the idea that you're gonNA as ten thousand Grad students to pay an extra ten thousand dollars so some kid you know the sort of the benefit of the doubt here and it's a very it's a sad situation because it's someone who had previously respected to be fully repealed so that the richest people on the planet can keep every drop of their money we're GONNA make it harder for people working class or working poor people to send their kids one problem Erica doesn't have is a glut of scientists so these scientists Dan just Russia yeah the the one last note on this one person who doesn't deserve to get beat up in this conversation is Hillary Clinton you know what I mean like for God's sake can we you know their findings were in all income groups would get significant tax cuts in two thousand nineteen but by twenty twenty one households making between college so that they can't get to that next job that allows them to like build income and wealth over time I mean it was anti-theft everything we believe in as Americans full stop people like him to actually pay for kids to go to college and like I think like on the individual merits and stories it is such an immoral decision but it's also like treat them like they're getting philosophy doctorates I mean it's the whole the whole thing is ridiculous and I mean it's pretty amazing so the joint committee on taxation today it really gets to by the way the partisan nature of not just how the process but the outcomes here like who were they punishing they're punishing California New York they're punishing stupid us on average so the democratic argument about Republicans for years has been you wanna give gigantic tax breaks corporations and the wealthy a child will inherit because of the coal production of their parents ought to be given to them without a single dime of tax paid on it but we should buddy who's going to be stuck with the bill for this thing the one person gets the one bill they don't the talking point doesn't help them about fucking growth in the out years so it's like anyone pay you want middle class and working class Americans to pay for it by taking away their healthcare in their education and Republicans scream bloody murder affiliations the one thing that really jumped out at me was actually an article John Lovett shared this morning about the way this bill will eliminate tax deductions on you too wishing so like there was a story in the New York Times about a janitor I think or guest Odiaun you put five kids through college working that job because they got it's not true it's a you know it's an unfair attack and that is this bill is the worst democratic caricature of Republican philosophy pass this you know before Thanksgiving and right now Senator Collins has come out and said she hasn't said it was actually accurate about the bush tax cut it was it was skewed to the wealthy to a great extent the vast majority of the benefits went through wealthiest part of the population but because it wasn't reformed because they weren't really getting rid ten thousand and thirty thousand dollars would pay more than if Congress did nothing and by two thousand twenty seven every incongruent under seventy five thousand dollars would have tax increases could the what he used to describe what donald trump used to describe what he did in his own words is quite similar to what this woman described in her recounting. Yeah and you know and I think there's flake corker and Lankford of Oklahoma said they have concerns flake McCain corker make sense they're like auxiliary members of the resistance back so I I'm I'm skeptical about that I think once again the key is in the more moderate members and and in the anti-trump members of the good news is since healthcare local farms fisheries and ranchers across the US their beef chicken pork comes from responsibly raise animals and the produce is sourced from farms the practice regenerative farming because blue apron ships like totally UN pneumonic when's he didn't know about some of the other obligations and it's GonNa be a conversation I side and the Democratic Party for you know came out and said he was a no because the bill was too generous to corporations and and then we also have mcaliskey McCain no no but you certainly sounds like she's leaning for large reasons but in particular because of adding the repeal the individual mandate the senator Ron Johnson Week so the you know we're we're still winning people so that district was like what like seventy thirty sixty five thirty five trump right yeah it was hugely Republican and dollars more that is and then you know and it gets too by the way also like Paul Ryan they put up this video that was like there's a lot of myths out there like someone saying that this raises taxes on came out with their analysis of the bill is an independent it's a nonpartisan congressional body that analyzes tax policy sorta like much like did for healthcare and yeah well you know this is where they're sort of talking points run out of gas right because they're like this is going to help grow the economy this is going to grow jobs this relief for people this is GonNa create growth but that doesn't help Amanda roasted chicken and fall vegetables with cranberry ginger compost but that one I put the chicken before the steak embrace the fall workup to this day customize times ten yet yeah I mean look they're using they're trying to sell it the way they sold the Bush tax cuts which is this is the tax cut for everybody at the tax cut for everybody everybody to get the tax cut and of loopholes they were just sort of giving everybody a little bit of money they you know they were able to make that claim they're playing this they're using the same playbook but that's not what this bill does does bill raises taxes on millions middle-class people at raises insurance costs millions of people right it's it's actually doing what we said they wanted to do from the beginning let's talk a little bit of about the politics of this so senate is going to all Americans are that there's no in fact you know the it's actually a tax cut aimed at the middle class in this article where they talked with where they go through what this is going to do to students they said Kareem so it's all these standards yes god is it's so fucking stupid again so like the Mike Lees and Ted Cruz Ron Johnson of the world who say I can't filter this is against all of my principles but really what they're saying is can you poor people more in it in some way and then then you'll get me AMC show that was a fun political podcast but just remember last week win one week ago John were you four in our celebration uh-huh Ron Johnson interesting what did you guys think about that I tend to not believe that Ron Johnson is in a yes in the end I find it impossible to imagine I mean this feels like we went through this is all playing out the same way as healthcare did right they lie and they have the votes but they don't they and then you have they're ranks have swelled slightly Dan I want to be honest I got a brand new eight week old puppy yesterday so I I was I was going to break we're going to a whole saying Luca the angel my doctoral but let's do it now my darling Luca so what that means is slept less and study less than I normally would for it the coke brothers with Robert Mercer with all your billionaire benefactors who will in turn cut you multimillion dollar check for all your various campaign committees in that's how you mean we can get well on this politically but boy seems risky to make your your caucus take vote after vote after vote that is just horrible for all the people that were essentially it would be like five days before passage of Obamacare a Democrat coming out and saying I oppose this bill because it provides coverage to people that's the whole point from coalition yeah I mean look if these guys are still the dog that caught the car in that the pathologies that led them to have a bill like this where the same pathologies I want to ask about that because on its face like my pre twenty sixteen brain looks at this bill and thanks political suicide I mean I guess the play is you pay the piper with adds a dime to the deficit and this adds fifteen trillion dimes to the deficit you know Egypt these members Collins Rakowski corker McCain even they've all a winding like they know their full shed in which of them think they're not full of shit because they've been fed a Fox News distorted view of the already so it's sort of a fake thing so it's hard to know this is gonNA come down to one or two votes and they believe they have to pass this or the or the that should have prevented them from having the White House right there reliance on donors this sort of irresolvable tension between practical governing and what they've promised their base all of those it's really bad negotiating part she lets them do that because she could get that some other way and you could trump can do a lot of it with executive world treats them the like they're just read the talking points that they could find and don't do any thing but so you can see all of them he getting with the to write a really really unpopular tax cut I mean cutting taxes is pretty easy it's you have a one point five billion dollars to spend things were the reasons why they ended up with someone like trump they're part of the reason that that trump was supposed to lose and so now they're trying to govern and they put together this like there's no rule that said they had sat down markers that if they live by them they couldn't possibly vote for this right yes by the also the L. as you said this is a replay of the obamacare this is a massive sweeping change to healthcare policy affecting millions and millions of Americans not just the thirteen million who would lose clip he must've been sleeping for the last two weeks just woke up and was like what like so Bob corker right before this process began he said I can't vote for any bill that taxes raised it's incredibly unpopular even Republicans don't love this there's no real constituency for this but they're proceeding has yet dan running for reelection and doesn't need the donations that Lindsey Graham said would drive if they didn't vote this maybe he's they're you know they're trying to by Murkowski off with I think that was a very good way to slip the puppy and we can talk more thank you but the Ron Johnson is so ridiculous coverage obviously the bill doesn't do that whatever else happens we must guarantee coverage for people with preexisting conditions everybody got rid of it and they all found away they twisted eight which is they said we don't want we will not support any bill that raises premiums right all the bills raise premiums we want many of them would sit including trump's that we went university that's right off the bat from this but premiums spike for everyone whether you're in an obamacare plan or an employer plan it would dramatically undermine it's not clear also if the individual mandate repeal makes it in the Senate bill that it will make it out of the conference process the House Republicans even Paul Ryan Election's going to be a disaster because Dan you look at the polling on this is really I mean you know there was a quinnipiac poll which shows that most people think they're going to get there adding drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve Wildlife Reserve that all chestnut which is something she has advocated for for a long time and so they made buyer off of that the bill solvable problem like the reason they're doing this is the cut the corporate tax rate and make make it easier preparation so he's just gonNA exception of Colvin's you can I can see them all getting to yes here corker is pretty hard if you say you want to add a dime to the deficit I don't know how you do this and the fact that he's on cutting taxes for people you could do that in a way that's very very popular literally can take out a calculator and to figure out how many people you want to give a thousand dollars to delves into a pretzel either and I never really know and they can probably differs from member to member which one is just obviously Asian violate regular order so yes that's how that should work I just don't know that it will in this case we're really like we'll on regular order McCain he's he is now kind of backed away from that pledge or he's you know pliant saying Oh this tax bill was regular order is there any way in which adding the individuals who rarely misses a chance to take care from people was at best ambivalent and otherwise pessimistic about including it in there I think it makes his vote counting harder you know it sort of creates a permission for some of these California and New York Republicans who put themselves in this position to get out of it right and the alternative is passing popper legislation right so and you can't do that on a party line vote it would mean Republican Democrats would have to get together to do relation I think trying and failing to pass on top of that legislation is bad but here's an alternative the alternative to that is not passing on population mandate and making it a healthcare repeal all of a sudden does that change his calculus on the process at all and it should on its face absolutely should like you there's a simple recipe here but there need to lower the corporate tax rate even though there's very little evidence that will spur growth that there need to reward the mercer's in the cokes and the other donors with his nine the protections for people for existing conditions and did just throw it in the dark of night with no discussion on that specific piece of issue would buy every definite is so fucked up as we try to Jam Paul Ryan's an ran conservatism into trump has populism yeah yeah so I'm confused about the politics of this because if you were a republican in you were looking at the landscape and you're like how can we fix our city will vote for this and swing left has created a fund that will be divided among the swing district Republicans who vote for the tax bill and you can find that link by checking out swing so he is certainly this statement came a long way from that first response which was totally inappropriate it seems like the ethics committee will now be the forum stop trump tax cuts dot org slash events to get information on that and then also the house is GonNa vote today many house members who are in vulnerable districts in California New York and New Jersey House Republicans because these are all people who would be voting to hurt their constituents directly and you know people like Sheraton sex thing and then there need to claim it was a middle class tax cut box them into producing this insane bill and then adding the individual mandate to at Dan is there all the people that we have have rightfully been derided for their actions many of them of put out very well crafted apology statements and that doesn't then he's nice to read but it it doesn't it doesn't change the actions that happened and the process by which this matter is reviewed in questions of him stepping down or not are considered I feel like this is affected women and he said when I I don't know what was in my head when I took that picture and it doesn't matter there's no excuse I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself it isn't funny it is completely inappropriate on twitter at at swing lift so here's some things to do people good stuff good stuff hey guys I just want to fly something Senator Franken has actually put out an additional fee richly instantly and there has not been the outpouring of activism that we saw around healthcare even though not only this is this now could have whatever regressive tax bill that will there are some house members who have said that they would not vote for it if it was in there so it's not clear it's going to get through it gets in there but it's more likely than not if it dies bless you brought that up because our friend from move on has some suggestions of what people can do I and this is his quote melt the congressional fear of having these experiences women who look up to me women who have counted on me he also said that he's asking that it ethics investigation be undertaken in we'll gladly cooperate screens we have Thanksgiving we have a few key moments to fight back but this is not gotten the same responses healthcare and that's making it possible for them to turn it into law the way you want it whether it's for work a wedding or another special occasion perhaps you are I don't know maybe going to a gala or gala you know John's wedding millions of people it is now also a healthcare bill that will cause millions of loose insurance and millions more to have to pay more so people really do need to step up especially call actually no no bring me a notch lapel for I am excited mean the good news is you're technically a positive American listener so you can get their best deal ever at three hundred fifty nine dollars for well we should also be cleared here like this is on track it is it is very possible that this thing passes before the holidays and becomes law curry said there are no vote others seem like they're willing to screw their people to please Paul Ryan but it's not it's not a done deal and they're going to try to get this done in December eight minutes So I wanna read through that for you guys quickly so we can come in on the first
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Is it John What happens when an entire department is understaffed you end up with a bunch of diplomatic crises around the world because Rex Tillerson was both incompetent and also inexplicably right wing I was GonNa say John Ashtray Reser Oh okay recently challenged Donald trump to a fight it's important that we get the messaging around this right so we didn't want to run a few of the names that we were considering for the fight by you and you just stop me when you feel like we've hit a winner Scranton squabble Naga Saga Presence of my sister I would take him behind the gym now the idea that I would actually physically get contest grab women in their private places and so on so forth all that I was asked during the campaign whether or not do I regret not be for a podcast I mean you guys are is really amazing and it's important anyways thank you thank you thank you so we want to start with something serious ah science but Biden's out there I see them right now he's lifting Hay bales and he's chasing chickens around punching under twine what else does he doing all this is literally the biggest table I've ever seen that were see what we can see here there is a punching bag there is a ring there are several different training enable debate trump and I said you know if we were in high school when I did this again if we were in high school and he said that the the president of the United States or anybody else now is not what I said and is not what this was about but I should have just left it alone it's sixteen hundred punch sylvania avenue the Donnie Joe Donnybrook big fucking dual or spar Lago dot com slash crooked that's ziprecruiter dot com slash crooked once again ziprecruiter dot com slash and wish you guys get here some of the stuff biden said when the microphones warrant on crowd we are very lucky on the pods today to have former vice president of the United States Joe Biden with us it's great to be with you really they're all good guys but what I did say was the way this came up and I shouldn't have said I shouldn't have brought it up again because spotlights the strongest applications you receive so you never miss a great match did you guys know that Barack Obama actually found Joe Biden as vice president with ziprecruiter that is a true story it was the job with me I find it degrading and I think what it does it does encourage the minority element of a male popular America. I'm Jon Favreau I'm John I'm telling you we are here at Vice President Biden's office in Washington DC we have a beautiful view the cabin the abuse of women and the truth of the matter is I find the the behavior talk vulgar did you learn what you're looking for identifies people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job in fact eighty percent of employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate through the site in just one day Ziprecruiter 'cause I know WanNa get down in the mosh pit with this guy what I did say back when he was running when he made these comments about being able to Bob and women have an obligation when one of their classmates is abused to be able to help them get help know what to do speak at being areas pen biden center they kindly turned off the rocky music for us he's trump is using modern technology to train for this fight you know he's he is and you guys have been an enormous success it's amazing well thank you it is amazing no I'm serious did you ever think that you'd have this kind of following on campuses have an obligation to protect women have an obligation not to engage in degrading talk have an obligation to step heroes who step in and stop people from doing what they're doing in the context of this was I said any fraternity brother WHO's entitled to be treated with respect dammit and it's about time we men stand up we gotta be part of the solution and over at any time said I would like to personally physically etcetera but it is I think it's important to continue to make the point women if we were in high school so right now John Bolton is getting read into the most sensitive intelligence mission to think it's okay to engage in the behavior of the president talks about so that was the context and I did say I used again in high school I never he's one of his brothers were the freshman girl who's drunk start to walk up the stairs with that young woman if they don't walk over and say not in my house not but look you you guys know me one of the passions of my life is ending violence against women and I was on a campus talking about how men out speak up and that's what when the President I did this and you guys were part of it it's on us that's what it was about who's in the context of talking about in my house there a coward now maybe the guys two hundred fifty pounds in your one hundred fifty pounds you don't have to confront him physically but you have to say to everybody Oh yeah I mean that's the record and that's why Republicans join me and defeated him defeated him in the committee uh-huh now he got recess appointment by President Bush but there was a reason for that the single worst place in the world Mr President I think states writer I think the fence is right or whatever but it is not to cut off access and this guy is a history we have covert action programs war plans you're putting your hands over your face what do you think about trump making John Bolton national security adviser and more broadly of its own in the Kennedy administration because he thought he was ill served in the Cuban missile crisis was to have one person who had the capacity hit welcome it does the UN ambassador and I can document for you that bowl has to modus operandi when he was thousand hours in that room the most sensitive material that is available on the planet gets disgusting Ever uh-huh when he has finished up with his training he will be here and we will do an interview any minute now giving a not completely straightforward analysis of what the intelligence said secularly anyone who disagreed with him he tried to get rid and I gotTA remind everybody why there is a thing called the national security advisor to national security visors started back in the forties but really came in but may or may not be stable may or may not react to threats and insults with the the conventional wisdom a month ago was that McMaster tillerson mattis were restraining trump. Do you think that was true then are we in deep trouble now with Bolton and pump look with Charlie's doing should gotta step up that was the context and but I shouldn't have said it I shouldn't repeat it what I had said during the campaign about Dan who let's assume his intentions are all good our president who knows virtually nothing about foreign policy doesn't know the inconsistent with the reason why it was set up to have a national security advisor and one of the first issues they'll take up you will make sure the president knows every perspective in his government or her government and then we'll recommend to the president across the spectrum and is about as apolitical as you possibly get Padma Mullen and I were worried turned out by the same thing I was poke around to not fully understand that without South Korea without Japan and without some because all the raiders escalated and what Admiral Mullen who you worked with as well and you know how highly regarded he is as our former boss would say you know banging a spoon highchair check who is smart like a Fox now I think we have to give the president credit for saying that he's willing to sit down talk I think that we've never came up your copy they shouldn't exactly that's why Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire and now parts of America listeners can try it for free at Ziprecruiter has your assessment change since president trump agreed to talks with Kim Jong Do you think that was the right decision look first of all I agree with at the time is likely to be North Korea back in January you're asked if you agree with Mike Mullen who said that the US has never been closer to nuclear war with North Korea you agreed it's a different deal here and so what presidents Democrat Republican historically done when they've had is life and death and national security and I held extensive hearings is the foreign relations committee when John was seeking to be nominee requires process and so you turn it over to the most informed and the best minds in your government my dad you seven expression the only wore that's worse than one that's intended is one that's unintended the escalatory language with a guy who is a lot of really good man matter of fact I'm going up in New York and I'm presenting awards that we came out of the it's on US campaign for women and men were background I don't believe has had time and it's understandably didn't he was you know it was a businessman but I wish he'd listen more to p and to have John Bolton I mean sincerely is the place where it requires somebody who will not impose their view I the DNA says the CIA says this what Defense Intelligence says this is what and so everybody's view is brought in on critical issues of and so when I got on the foreign relations committee the youngest man ever on that committee in a point when I was never happened arms control and national security strategic weapons so I spent a lot of time a lot of time trying to master that field I mean working thirty two years old I knew the only way you could have any impact the only game in town was u s Soviet relations and the only game and that was makes sense if if it's not like a business for building new hundred story tower gene outline out and trying to do something North Korea and thirdly I think it's really important that we understand and I hope motive vendee with China and some motive any with Russia this gone long route is could be disastrous in a misunderstanding. Hey Oh look Tommy you know you you sat in that situation or with me and with the president and over eight years we spent date when he was he would shade intelligence to move it into the direction where he wanted to go there is many instances for him off you have to be substantively informed but he's not well it appears everything I've seen so far he's not what is his endgame what does he think constitutes a good agreement what does he think that is number one number two is he going to be able to so you know my dear God rest her soul mother and say Hope Springs Eternal maybe he is really gone I don't Wanna I don't WanNa do is dramatic breakthroughs like let's say he sits down and they agree to pause and everything and what usually happens is you turn into this and not a single meeting route how do you work out what would be elementary agreement so my question and I don't expect it answer and he shouldn't have to is of cutting off access to points of view that don't agree with his in so it is a virtual disaster and is it is totally do you have the right people to coordinate and work with the Japanese the South Koreans our friends so that we don't end up really hard work and a lot of luck and so I don't want to condemn it but I'm not betting my second to read in everybody not to be an editor but to say this is Mr President this State Department says this what the Defense Department the Devil with some really really good people are my seniors and I know how much work it took for me to able to get my head around Oh this is a moment where there's a possibility of getting something good to happen but it takes a awful lot of really really really can party Mitch McConnell held Supreme Court seat open for a year he refused to sign onto a bipartisan statement that Russia was attacking our election before the election happened there should be talks but I pray to God that he is been serious enough to make sure that he has really informed people all of this I don't know I don't doubt the president trump is has a high IQ that he's break these well educated but that's the whole deal we never got there because he never was willing to but now now sane okay I'm really the talk the president advise them to try to engage in discussions if you had a willing partner saying okay I'm willing to sit down and actually talk about I thought well you know congressman they can't be very smart and I remember getting bunched together I think you'll remember I pointed out that the collective IQ of these guys is pretty high win but the governor's seat they showed I could have one people why don't you run for governor on reason I did run for governor is because my my overarching interest in foreign policy but they're brought in there was often hear me say John you know you can't assume all these guys are idiots up there because a lot of our team mortgage on it I want to talk a little bit about the state of our politics you're the one Obama would always send to make deals with Republicans in con Dan this is a process when I got the United States as a twenty nine year old kid the reason I ran for the Senate was showed I could not friends of yours in the Senate like Lindsey Graham some trump's biggest enablers they're not protecting muller at what point do you say I can't read Dan why the public doesn't support the congressman from cabinet payers but we deserve it and I said that's not a way to get this done with him and he knows the front end what is objective is here's what I WANNA do my instinct is you know for Democrats particularly I said so I know every one of the judges I provide over five hundred twenty I said I will match the collective IQ average IQ of the United States. Chris you've always had good relationships with a lot of the Senate Republicans Do Co. you go ahead but I look at this party in two thousand eighteen justice Supreme Court Rehnquist when there's a tradition where the judiciary committee chairman goes up and sits for an hour before the budget is passed you say well this guy knows nothing this guy is a bad guy this guy is a president note he's doing what's your and just dump over what he's trying to do well in with these people the only thing I can do is defeat them where what does that line I think you have to say both I think you have to say I gotta continue to race and I was one of the few supported a pay raise if we didn't have the guts to raise our pay we should've been raising the pay of the courts and he started off and he said I can understand they say it's a failure if I were advising a Democratic president as I did advise a Democrat Areso with long as they're in power and if they continue the path going I'm going to try to defeat them so it's not either or John You know you interest group to get me elected and I said and chief I'm the only one and I was the only one I think I to this day was the only one who had doing the do is because you're either stupid or a year in the pocket of this or you are you are not ethical or you're not a religious man the unredacted FBI files because all my college trust to me and I never once revealed a single thing only one I think in history not positive that and hardy you campaign for this job you challenge people in line whether they were qualified to vote I said I didn't ask anybody except the people didn't go to any with the chairman with the courts can gracefully lobby for what they need we need a new building we need new this new that and they wanted a payment way and I really think that you are an obnoxious person but let's see if we can work this out that's the trump style well it is senate against the court we had seven Rhodes Scholars Fourteen Marshall Scholars we had over forty people graduate at number one in the class everybody said they're all munching idiots guess what eighty five percent of those people advanced degrees some ideas to tuitions smart ass and I don't know but it shows brains don't provide judgment I remember having a debate with the cheese I went after the judgment is hard as anybody in our administration ever did so answer your question it's okay for me to to go after in terms of mm-hmm and say I'm against you I'm GonNa work against you but will we do too often we in this town is we question motive we say the reason I know and I used to remember a lot of the new guys that commanded a lot of really really bright new people that the president brought in went an incredible president he was your your question John if you notice even when I went up to try to work things out most important thing it's okay to disagree with you bad news about unlimited spending and Gerrymander news guess what both parties are moving towards the poles the edges Irish if people have those views but tell me guys how can you possibly meet the needs of the American people without reaching a consensus now I understand if I go ahead and coffee machines I'M GONNA get challenged from the right they're going to pour millions of dollars into my race and he sat there and he was very up and I said look tif I said you think you're above politics but I said if I'm not mistaken you work for the Republican twelve members of the Republican party had long relationships with when they went here allow what was absolutely unimpeachable dearly at home in the middle of most single most extensive busing order in all the United States history in my state ace look at what's happened John Republicans only new loose from the right not the left and Democrats we lose from the left not the right so that's our whole system requires a consensus that my wear the highway not purity test there are certain principles I didn't Parma Ohio where Ford Motor plant and talking to her team her highest team they begin to wonder whether or not voted against an amendment to the deciding vote to keep the allow the courts to keep busing as a remedy because there's certain things worth losing over that is because you're worried that if you hold these series to cope brothers commend and put ten million dollars a year race which might have been true I called but you gotta compromise on getting really critical things the American people need done you can't get it all well you know I get or we go out and push where we are in terms of our basic social values I've never found the main consistent I went into partner and by the way you've watched me I'm going to say some outrageous I have never ever ever ever voted for anything I thought was wrong even when it is cost me Oh engine Mitch's judgment on the courts and say why he's ruining the system why he's undermining the con- which I did but without saying the reason you're doing style that's why it's not working out that's my point yeah and so the thing you watch me do John Everybody up their new I respected them on I never questioned mode on on the house side by the way even by the way let me give you a factoid when Newt Gingrich took over the congress in the nineties Amana Cetera when you do that you can never get to go you can never get tune agreement so I start over the I think you're ugly cinema breakthrough with high school educated people and they thought maybe it had to do with our social issues and I said that's not I've never found a problem with that love push back from the new left in the Democratic Party and by the way I take a back seat to no one in my liberal yes I should say come on Geoff Y'all that smart nobody I'm serious there's this thing and so what I'm trying to say I'm out of me men all these supposedly white deplorable prejudice men went nuts and I said Oh one more thing guys I talk when I go out and I speak to Democratic Caucus I got a lot of campaign tonight talk about you have to you have to compromise you have to come up principle the floor of a Ford Motor plant I said we got elected Clinton Harley response I said you know why we awesome art way to avoid your own staff in crisis guys what Ziprecruiter I don't think that would have helped trump there and I don't think ziprecruiter's fault ziprecruiter's powerful and I said come with me to Parma I stood up bear with a couple of thousand auto workers on the floor you guys have done it artillery Clinton because your wife deserves make the exact same damn pay the man she standing next to makes place went nuts all these Ohio I said eighty three events for Hillary toward the end of the she would have made a great president in my view I wouldn't eighty three minutes it's none of your business who somebody marries for God's sake they all start to laugh and I said you know what I'm talking you know it's true now started clapping but so it's not about me there's a lot of people on my generic point is 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Hi I'm Ana Marie Cox host of the friend I'll try to find common ground this is about learning to see through someone else's eyes I personally think agreeing is overrated any breath L. spectrums about what they believe and why and the stories behind all of our police this isn't another show where liberal or conservative either yell at each other students most toothbrushes don't get named one of Time Magazine's best inventions of the year but you know the quip did so find out for yourself why it starts at just twenty five dollars and if you go to get committee show advise and consent and so you know you can I don't think we should step away from moment and one of the reasons why remember I'm the guy that kept it from being a guy who has maybe the most brilliant conservative who was nominated for the I hope you follow along and read an inspired to listen to those around you Voelker vibrating handle you like slimmer design unbelievable what I like more aspen guiding pulses alert you when to switch sides making brushing the right amount of effortless did I catch that did he say I just I'm asking mature I'm just trying to have beautiful teeth I don't understand what I'm being accused of I'm simply asking for you to Repeat Yourself I've not made any kind of a comment your hearing's fine John Besides we're not gonNA make any progress towards common ground or agreeing if we don't understand each other with friends like these comes out every in the economy but real quick if Democrats take the Senate and a seat opens up on the Supreme Court he says the Senate has as much to determine who's according to the president us it says the president can propose the Senate disposes the next two years should Democrats hold that seat open like Republicans did I don't think to Garland even if it means I get another gorsuch no that's a big difference committee's it's a show where we talk about the differences between us without flooding them divide US I have conversations with people 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subscription plan refreshes your brush on a dentist recommended schedule Ace look what he's done since he's got here all out attack on all the folks who striped shirts the press started two years breitbart forced the law now they're all illegitimate I mean he that's what he's doing and look what he's done we're looking at the Capitol right now as we speak it's an intuitive our express commitment to the basic constitutional principles people don't say that we're but that's what it is scleroderma space to be able to abuse power all these things were put in place to prevent the abuse of power he has gone out of his way to de legitimize the Congress Republican Congress what is that for it's all about him being able to that's what it is so we can't be party to tearing down the very things that are designed to keep most damaging thing thus far short of what may happen to our foreign policy to all the things I care about was gorsuch gone to the court they're all corrupt there the referees man you poisoned the referees than who who calls the balls strikes secondly whether they go after the courts and so if we play the same game it's a little bit like saying Okay Charlie cheated well we're gonNA cheat in order to win the only thing that holds this country together harassment charge she'd be vilified she knew she vilified I wish I had you talked about how you want to go through the normal process even under trump but you've said that you have regrets about that process in the Oh Anita hill an apology what would you do been stronger what what I understand one of the things that Professor Hill was upset about is not anything I did to her assume being able to abuse power so you raise Clarence Thomas and and we asked people what they want to know about and one thing they asked a lot about was Nita Hill you've heard me say two thousand times we can't define what the hell in American is based on race religion ethnic background you can't do it it's one thing she came to testify right in the wake of my reading the violence against Women Act was during this period I was in the process right in the act this thing came up friendly now given how much changed on what harassment first of all the country owes or a debt of gratitude in the following sense the courts are not legitimate courtroom what's the third thing who were the third referees the intelligence community the FBI the guys but there wasn't able to protect her enough from John Danforth from Arlen Specter from the questions they asked is Oh mechanism under the Senate rules to be able to gavel someone out of order for asking a question did you have sex with or did you do this or did you do that. And in retrospect I wish I had been more vocal avenue is there a way to stop senators from asking questions that I think are inappropriate to ask and one of the things that she knew better than any man knew she knew if she came forward with her not to me a confirmation hearing you need not have a burden of proof that relates to beyond the reasonable doubt you're not depriving anybody you're not entitled to be a justice so you can say and do things that in fact our more questions last question and looked around at how race it Mr Obama and senator he said could be recognized by the Nita Hill was she was the first woman to stand up before the don't ask someone whether or not they went out and blew up a synagogue and ask them whether or not they're anti Semitic she did and that's when that helped me significantly getting violence against women past but I just felt badly I didn't know about although you're allowed to ask that question you're being a lowlife asking yeah I really mean it because the one uh-huh sort of certain things I the reason I tell that story is that there are differences between Bob Bird point point as you know asking the question that I regret what do you think our administration could have done differently on economic at the time and some really smart people work with us were with me I didn't know how I could stop the attacks that were under oath in question or I said that I think this is the one thing that was done here is that we have sensitized the entire nation to the issue of harassment Asian knowing she was going to be vilified and raise the issue of harassment and you guys go back and look you may recall when that here was all over now what I did move out of order is there certain things that are pretty clear for example of ask someone what the religious beliefs are is irrelevant enormous integrity but what I point out to everyone he had everything look I'm gonNA sound like Acolyte here but I think President Obama we'll go down in history so he said I'm going to ask him whether or not he's agnostic I said no you're not that's I'm going to I want to get you out of order how to deal with that there was no playbook to know how to deal with with what became stateless actors waging war on the world there's no playbook with all all cases of first instance and he did a remarkable job of rick of economic recovery remember when the bad guy I can't say well tell me what are you in this came up and bork how Heflin from the state of Alabama mkx issues so that there would have been fewer of those Obama trump voters we've talked a lot about messaging and what you say in these places but you know by the time Hillary camp he is and say this is evidence your being Medicare Nazi literature in your basement that's appropriate relates to that we just think you're yeah I had to convince Arlen Specter to change political party over that pass it okay and it was eighty seven billion complement me but people didn't know what we did they really didn't know I remember remember when he had me negotiate the came and testified about he knew that you know he knew what kind of girl she was you go back and look at the film I got such argument with him I called him a liar all the vote you and I got a really big problem and so he said to me when when he was against war but it was it was a problem for him voting against board from Alabama so this went on for a while the hearings the very last minute of the last hearing with work in front of US only four people left in the room I say anybody God I tell you I started agnostic so you don't have to answer that question judge he should know he was as chairman Jewish community till votes cast I said how I wanNA tell you some- you vote any way you want but if you don't tell me how you're going to vote before dollars eighty four billion spent and every outside group acknowledging less than two tenths of one percent with waste or fraud so he are where the preponderance of evidence may be four you're against it and there's nothing to constitution says you can stop it but I just think the thing that we hand on his desk but locust seriously and there were cases of first instance granted depression was worse than any we've faced granted pained people still weren't quite feeling you know the economic recovery and is when you look back at those eight years there things we could have done differently things we should have done different is one of the great presidents he is the brightest man I've served eight presidents that I've ever served with and he had World War Two is greater than what we faced but no one had ever faced a financial meltdown before there was no playbook to know are I've got so enraged I was shaking my fist so I believed in detail when I didn't believe in either hill the question is how could I to prevent the shutdown and I was able to get them to keep the stimulus of dealing with payroll taxes which would billions of the dollars and it made a difference in people's paychecks in a big way while I was up in New York with a group of people working on at the president's request we're working apple no simultaneously this is what we're doing by the way the reason why you are bumble mom this is why the reason why this job came back is because of this no no but but I really mean it I brought background claim I had my jared Bernstein I had a team who we put together a whole package in the chief the guy's a contractor this said to me said you know you guys ought to talk about this what you're doing on the wages good guy former chief justice and talk like this and the big old bullfrog as to kinderman and how would never tell me how he's going to vote when you remember when our team looked at whether people thought we didn't even they had no idea but I was the guys remember I always wanted detail I said there's an incredible job but we never had time to take a victory lap would I used to say as we should talk more about this he said no no no you know him he wasn't about I think you may be in the room when he said Joe you the Recovery Act like Oh yeah great Mr President through very much but that was remember even Democrats were crazy about it Arias and I'll answer it and as we get up he answered the question is you got walking out how lean down Mason got all I need thank you we're listening because look what's happening guys I recommend to your listeners is what we did the reason why but there was so much it was a deluge feels quaint now worrying about spiking the football when trump tweets about the stock market every as men rush focus should be on the economy the last two years the president let me commend with my team to make a presentation that we should have a middle class tax cut well you know really smart guys I'm not like it's easy to second guess now what what I was trying to do is actually demonstrate tangibly and You know they have this great idea you know you talk I actually ask you for some verbiage remember I had to make that speech on economists said that's not going to stimulate today's debate and Roosevelt remember I was gone that I would have been okay it's like I was asked to go out and speak at and I did not accept an honorary to do it I went out to speak at each at I was asked to do it at the World Economic Forum intellectually toughest speech I've ever had to deliver because what's the right answers tart so she talked she said we've gone from class politics two class clueless nece is a book written by Professor Williams is really worth reading is called the white working class and he doesn't talk about got to say something now now let's move on you're gonNA move on so part of what I think I wish we could have done again going back as I wish we had led pe- non renewable energy and we're talking about the empire state building all the new windows had to be change and when they did put in all new windows and the new system they could save hundreds of dollars the fourth industrial revolution will be middle class because of Moore's law digitalization artificial intelligence legitimate concern and I delivered that speech on how you cut the taxes and I said what do you mean he said the woman who's my made his phrase came up to me saying thank you for the pay raise they have come up with an idea for a guaranteed annual wage so because they're worried there's going to be so many middle-class jobs displaced debates with economist for all my friends there was I don't think we use the phrase middle class enough remember I'd use it how they say yeah now dignity and get an annual way sit home and do nothing you strip people now if there's no alternative oh because silicon valley tends to be more socially responsibility than Wall Street although the justice greedy in terms of making the bottom line burgos buying the game again no I'm not joking not a joke remember we had the big debate about what right yeah but but I don't want to spike the football remember which is admirable the second thing was in I used to have that's not how America's Bill I quote my dad everybody Kidman Weight has always according my dad or my my dad graceful high school educated guy it's about respect it's about your place in the community it's about being able to look your kidneys and say honey it's GonNa be okay that's what it is is it so well but class clueless we mean well but we're divided into sort of a professional class now and everybody else is not the billion fire so the point is that we don't pay enough attention jot to what really is the core in Williams said to re impact on providing some relief to middle class folks administratively in one particular I got it is like a rational welfare system on welfare says boy I really proud I'm out well my dad was a white collar worker sales person but there was nothing to sell after Cole died and we moved to Delaware where there are actually good jobs here's a millionaires it's again another example remember when we got there I got elect the president asked if I wanted cabinet member I'll tell you when we're off the air said to me I don't think that's a good idea and I look Charlie do exactly what the Hell I tell you go talk to the press when they get up in the morning they only have one job think of what they can do within your cabinet office and every time someone will lose a job my dad would say you know Joey my word of this a jobs about a lot more paycheck it's about your dignity clear wasn't I went out because I care about it and you know all of the you know the best minds in the tech world were they're brilliant brilliant people literally to go talk to it's okay by me go talk to them but in the meantime just do what I tell you so everybody appoints that one I want the authority to talk with the Cabinet about setting a middle class task force and so we had a meeting at a table like this in my office here the pen office person so the first meeting really smart smart decent guy our secretary of the treasurer comes in with three really brilliant when he moved out from Scranton Pennsylvania because there's no work and he was barack made me sound like I climbed out of the coal mine was was joe from Hardscrabble Scranton Way Middle Class folks in working class folks I said great and he put down this plan he said we can revive in February or March the first year I said I want you all to hire one person who's responsible only to you it's a dollar data dot and I have all these guys together and women together in a room about this size there probably was thirty press people print and television young people from the Treasury where some really smart people there so I got a great idea Mr Vice President to present to you how we can help administrative were came from no class backgrounds all went to great schools they all had middle-class background and so everybody showed this great between ninety nine hundred twenty thousand dollars debt I borrowed everything I could against my house and I 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national security because I wouldn't let them use limos and Willington I made them stop it every light it's a small state it wasn't intended but you know you're constantly reminded of it like for example I know you remember this the one of those secret service initiative capability is the currency cognitive capability and by the way I can tell you I'll make you bet I've never lived in Washington and by the way it's totally Galateri man black white Asian gay straight doesn't matter because it's all entry floor other than for political reasons if you're on a corner do do you know anybody who's obese is a close friend do you have whole milk in your refrigerator I said look keep the ambulance four blocks away from me no I really mean really mean it because people look at us and they go whoa twenty I said I'll tell you what if more than ten percent of those who qualified have one I'll buy you all lunch once a month on Beau and hunter both really well educated guys got so mad when they had them take a test that was written by a controversial book about whether or not you understand the middle class it was great by the way I was great I was fine no financial difficult but my point is that we are in a situation today where think about how sort of how to touch but not as fully in touch as we are the places from which we came in pain any logo or bumper sticker or billboard or just said Joe Simple message and you know there there is a real advantage in doesn't make me smarter better anything but really advantage in my commuting every day go back to Delaware according to Amtrak I made over eight thousand three hundred round trip two hundred fifty nine miles a day until I lived at the vice president's residence I commuted every single day I can tell you what neighborhood all the bright people worked for me in Washington Limit America's brought to you by soothe soothe the world's leading on demand massage service we're living in the most stressful time in human history guys La 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in the job because he was milking the it goes to Barack and it goes to the present because when I announced I knew wasn't going to run because Bo received no one did anything wrong with Bowie the best care in the world but for example the radiation they used ended up penetrating one of the arteries so it limited what ones work best for this particular protein on this cancer so one of the things that happens is when you start off with the wrong treatment you sometimes do damage does everybody in addition to that there are specific cancers now where HP cancer there vaccines now literally Vaccine Jaipur Room with my credit card and they paid me back despite my mouth business my favorite thing is when he pivots from literally anything this is the point is biden cancer dot org because there are a number of breakthroughs in a number of changes made it increase exponentially cash cash at the catch up so I was recently paid back on a cash by whom by Spencer wrong for them okay you always any 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"I'm Jon Favreau I'm Dan pfeiffer Dan Welcome to Pod Save America your first episode I'm excited to be part of the crooked media family absolutely welcome to Pod Save America so we we basically heard the latter half of the speech in an Uber on public radio on the drive to Venice and we're like you know it's pretty pretty amazing and I was pretty sad about it I was to we had we were focused on the first episode and the launch and like I was like physically happy that I was let's start with the Farewell Address Obama's farewell address on Monday in Chicago neither of us were there I was very sad about it I know me too I didn't realize how sad I would be silently like tearing up in the that's that's how we heard the rest of it we watched it at home on like ten minute delay sort of put my phone away which was the slow roll of I've been to DC in the White House a couple of times I've seen a couple of times I've seen all our old friends a couple of times but like this was the one were still trying to get our audience back so if you guys would tell people to to listen in if you like our program We'd be very appreciative tele friend people telephoned Dan rated us on I tunes for Episode Positive America currently right now still number one in the it in store which is thanks to all you guys so please keep lives and and the country I was struck by I mean so much has changed in eight years and we're about to face something on the straight and narrow when we were in the White House so we'll be talking to norm all about the press conference yesterday trump's conflicts of interest in his attempts to wrecked there's a Lotta Uber threads here I you know I think up until they started playing city of blinding lights when photos walked out I it had not fully hit me really scary I think in challenging but I was struck by how little changed about him since he sort of stepped on that stage in two thousand and four in Boston and giving us good ratings. If you haven't already the store tele friend there's still a lot of people who listen to us on keeping it sixteen hundred who I see on twitter who who didn't know that we've moved over yet so about not being there until you like went on instagram or facebook and basically every person we know was there like seeing people haven't seen in you know eight or ten years I'm getting on a plane to Chicago and staying out to like two in the morning that night but I was sort of emotionally depressed all day when I saw it but I'm sure you checked out the speech as I did actually like really nice because they didn't have to be on twitter when it was happening because my wife I was waiting for my wife who was stuck in an uber that's going the wrong direction so this is if I that situation which I don't think very well for first before we get into it a little housekeeping thank you to everyone who listened who reached out and you know some people say oh that was a more a Sunnier more optimistic message I still think that the optimism in the in the faith in the hope he hadn't he doesn't forward through the different challenges to affair democratic system inequality racial tensions autocracy around the world and so he sort of ticked through I was still there in this speech and he talked about things in the speech that he he'd be he gave warnings in this speech that he's sort of been giving his entire presidency right when ah that Brock Obama so are going to be our president is weak like that like I knew that intellectually obviously like election happened and you know I've had all those things you know but their challenges that he's been talking about basically since he's he got into public life and they just happened to be heightened right now with trump like the sort of the emotions came out were really the shock were off and it was this is the end of this chapter of young are personally I think it was but it was also a warning about all the conditions in our country and the world that led to a president trump and so it wasn't I mean the whole the the the theme of the speech I was what is required to maintain democracy what is democracy require in the twenty first century and he sort of went food and What what did you think of the speech where did you watch I watch it at home watch it at home but then love Tommy and I had to go to a dinner for this company I'm asking you to believe not in my ability to bring about change but in yours to me that that's the central message of his presidency of his campaigns and what he may actually be doing better than some of us think we were America elected a very young man staff by a bunch of Obama's gotten so old the presidency's aged him he has gray hair but everyone posted on social media all their photos from campaign days we have also aged children to run the country and thank God it worked out because we were very very young and we looked even younger than we were back then I also had about ten fifteen pounds on me when when I started actually about trump himself but sort of what got us here you know trump is a symptom not the disease I think in the speech was written I think that's right and NC coming but I know it's weird 'cause some people I saw Jonathan chait read an interesting piece about this about the speech where he said the basically the whole speech was a warning about trumpism in a way is also the greatest contrast to Donald Trump who's message in the campaign was I alone can fix it right for all the commentary on how in acid from the very beginning is the four a democracy to work everyone has to participate and you cannot just depend on the people that you elect to bring about but no no I I thought I thought it was that it was a great speech I was so happy he ended you know I have one final ask Mr President same thing I asked when you took a chance on me eight years ago other go ahead whether ninth series take away from it was everyone always like put up those two pictures of Brock Obama in two thousand nine Barack Obama now and they're like now Obama's presidency was a self referential presidency and it was all about his personality and his story all of which I think is way overdone and bullshit you know the down by circumstance of buying election and stepping in at that moment when people are lacking hope and giving them hope for change you have to continue working in fighting and participating every single day yeah I I think the speech a lot of people say this this is a you know capture in two thousand and eight because like that was the same contact was a bunch of people who had incredibly high hopes who believed in something who had gotten the future is I think the best Oba and you know I am sure that you know at least among tens of thousands of Obama volunteers thirteen I thought you were going prematurely balding you were just getting ahead of it shocked when you showed it would you left the White House in k. back with hair like it's so in some ways we're better somewhat tempered by years of being on the front lines of battles but the speech I thought it was the yes we can speech after lost direct line from the convention speech and there's no question there are there's thematic similarity there and and you're right that it's he is the same optimism as president if organizers and staffers a lot of them got up Wednesday morning and sorta looking for what the thing they can do is to make an impact here and I think that was are we should stand for it in this new era right he he actually laid out a pretty smart test in message for the affordable care act fight this happening other underlying message there I thought other than just a simple message of the country which was the main part here was a message to Democrats about how what we should stand for that was sort of the message was to the people down the election but the weekends you know we control our fate in at the end of the day what Obama stands for yeah I think that's that's been his message from the start and I think that's what the trump administration and the people who voted for trump we're gonNA find out soon to allow a lot of people have said that the Russian hacking operation and during that briefing reports are that they inform both trump and Obama that there are briefed both President Obama and Donald Trump separately along with I think eight leaders in Congress and no one else got this briefing on reports that the Russians have compromising information on Donald trump that they could use to blackmail him with including for what we stand for is the future and trump is a throwback to a rapidly dying past year and and also the the idea that changes and the fight for changes it's hard and it's unending right and it and it also doesn and win like if we elect Democratic Congress and we beat trump and like the democratic gently reads like directly out of a bad spy novel I mean to try to put together the story here exactly what happened because it's very confusing apparently ca that the full dossier that basically the intelligence officials borrowed from to relay the information to new meetings between the Russian government and the trump campaign during the two thousand sixteen campaign put together document it sort of made its way around while an expert is spy named Christopher Steele was hired by a firm research firm that was hired by a Republican donor back in the campaign to dig up stuff on trump pun intended so like wow yeah while that speech was happening if there wasn't a better contrast Ashington and everywhere else it was passed around to a couple of Republican operatives during the Campaign Rick Wilson who was working for Marco Rubio at the time he saw it by the false doctrine president like jobs not done then either you know you don't you don't just ally it's true politics is not transactional you don't just elect leaders that you agree with and then step away and hope that they fix everything expiry has been well respected in the past he worked on many different cases had helped the FBI in the past so he's not some crazy guy he used to spy in Moscow In a good position Democrats and hopefully they adopted a slightly more clever than Hashtag make America sick again and trump and Obama and all hell breaks loose so I mean there's there's a lot I mean you should read some of the stories about this because it it I know stories about prostitutes and hotels and Russia business dealings all kinds of other stuff so buzzfeed publishes the dust at one point John McCain found it came across it McCain gave it to the FBI because he thought it was important enough to give to the FBI and then finally the CIA FBI and the is an exhortation very acts already where there yes all right so let's go let's go from very high plain to the leak it's had been given to the FBI it was also passed to British intelligence because the guy who did it didn't just want it to be politicized in the United States he wanted he wanted the Brits to have to on there's been this journalistic debate should buzzfeed published the documents at all what do you think about that what is the crooked media position on this so and yet they still thought it important enough to brief the current president in the next president about so I don't know so I guess there's a couple of questions here one astor are sadder contrast I guess there news reports that US intelligence officials FBI deny director of National Intelligence News about US intelligence officials briefing the current and future presidents about this right like I think if if there hadn't been news that this I have gone back and forth on this like I just I think buzzfeed was right to publish them with a fairly hefty warning right which is we cannot verify the contents of this there's plenty of reason to doubt the contents of this document also buzzfeed did not publish it like twenty days ago when there was no eh found it I don't know if they found a persuasive and they didn't it was unverified able they said the reports in the document they could not verify them and there was plenty of reason to doubt the veracity oh he's that this for a long time he found enough evidence to sort of outline to different Russian operations one to find compromising information on trump and to sure how someone doesn't publish that now we are obviously dancing around the very salacious accusations I'm from that speech I think there's a lot for the people who are engaging in the battles to calm to learn from that speech that he he there's they're they're like hints a different position if this was a dossier about Barack Obama but so you know biases on my sleeve here but I agree with eight it to the level of trump and Obama and that our intelligence officials found it necessary to tell them then they didn't have a right to publish it but the fact that we have news reports that Obama and trump getting this information and the information is out there circulating around Washington circulating around news organizations I don't know it seems like with a dose of caution so I thought I thought there's a lot for the country who was worried about the future to take from that speech there's a lot of nostalgia for people who were part of this journey side of meet the press and Ben Smith the editor in chief of buzzfeed news about their decision to do this and it was pretty clear interview that chuck disagreed pretty strenuously with it was it was a piece of supporting evidence that the Russians may have had compromising information on trump in not used it which is evidence that the Russians that decision one thing one thing chuck said to Ben that was just wrong was he was like you guys publish fake news and it's not fake news it may be then you then you could publish it it's close but I agree it's a close call and I will save in the fullness of limited software and as I have that I am sure I would you know this was basically a big speech quote unquote sub tweeting trump presence on sub three people but along that vein the the so and and the intelligence officials still found it necessary to to tell the president in the future president so and part of the reason if you believe some of the reporting here about why they included Louis I mean the press including this is not an attack on our French todd but NBC was one of the major organs for it's not GonNa look at the pictures you know nine with my also why did anyone let me shake my head but that was it was after the two thousand eight campaign intelligence officials had briefed George W Bush and Barack Obama on the fact that Russian news like someday we may find out that every single allegation in that document is false very could very well be true but we don't know that yet right who had somehow hacked the campaign claim to have information that Brock Obama wasn't in fact born in the United States totally uncorroborated view that if it is significant enough to have been briefed to the president is safe the president-elect and has been written about as an existing document I'm not really Donald Trump to go out and get and shout birther claims from you know as loud as he possibly could on the tissue because he was an NBC he was doing the roadmap for the future for the for the progressive movement. Absolutely you know I I was struck by it wasn't just a farewell address it was it was a blueprint you know as as as I would say possibly one of the most the Ma- major political scandals of our time and most in most alarming international relations international issues were releasing information for the purposes of helping trump and hurting Hillary Clinton sate and yeah I was also trying I'm trying to think of the best analogy like imagine rational way again I I don't I don't think it's the easiest call I think both sides no merit here but I definitely come down on the buzzfeed side so it's hard that you can put Donald Trump on your TV show on your TV network to say a provable false things about Obama but this document is part of it they have gone crazy and said that they shouldn't have done that back in two thousand and eight maybe because people have you know people there was a higher a higher bar there but I don't know like I could see that happening pretty Oh yes I feel like we were compelled to make better joke by a lot of people on twitter for us it was great yeah that's right including friend of the pod Mitch Stewart this morning teeth about CNN to the country that CNN had somehow published fake news published this document was lying about this actually nothing I can set you on way on Anderson Cooper which is quite a ten minutes of video if you're going to watch it and Kellyanne Conway on Seth Meyers which is also an awesome interview I'll just like lie through there in compromising information is I don't know if I'm hearing to crooked media journalistic ethics policies or if you've developed those yet the golden showers Dan Rollout or the season premiere of slavery apprentice at the time and he was on the today show all the time sometimes the today show was very good about saying it wasn't a lot of times they weren't so it's buzzfeed publishes that I mean we would have all freaked out and said like you shouldn't publish that so that because we're we're in the White House but I don't like it would everyone would the media we're incoming White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer comes out and just sort of blasts the buzzfeed story attacks. CNN oddly CNN deny not published the document by the way CNN just reported that the Intel chiefs had briefed Obama and trump so spicer trump later Kellyanne worked for CNN. So you can't say this but I can because I often criticized CNN literally nothing about what CNN had said was false about the story and it has now been it's been proven it's it's a close call I think there's a pretty interesting debate between it was it was billed as it was really a debate between Charles it's clear that the way you get approval and the trump world is shit on the press so that's GonNa be his job to he hasn't even started yet we've dealt with an awhile can't should not be disgusted I think it's a really I would encourage people to just watch the interview between Chuck and Ben About you may be you may get are pretty good pat on the back from trump for doing that but you're not serving your bosses long-term interest in any or even as medium-term interests in any way shape or form to national security so clever admitted that they had you know the the the CNN report that the trump campaign had decried is one hundred percent accurate I just thought it was weird that's and to be true because clapper late last night the director of national intelligence basically admitted that they had briefed trump and Obama on this information but we all knew there had been rumors about Obama not being born in the United States we knew that this was a conspiracy but now the Russians claim to have hard evidence about that and then any seems a wound a little too tight for this job briefings might be if they ever actually happened and are not just a meeting with Breitbart and rt tax on the press during that press conference trump got up and he called buzzfeed news a feeling pile of garbage he really around this is right before trump has his press conference yesterday and what a press conference it was first of all weird open to the press conference and it's not constructive like he's not I think I think like Sean Sapporo like he's been doing communications in DC for a long time right so that seems to be seems fairly suppressive and then a Republican member Congress from Texas today said that anyone who has authoritarianism in Hal trump and his team are going to handle the press and the problem the press has like you tweeted and then he then he started to Oh then so Jim Acosta from CNN asks a question and he basically refuses to are you know he went to he went he went extra breitbart reporter that's that's one of the many advantages of having basically state sponsored media is that you can like that is the right thing to do in the scary there's some scary things about this about the future which is according to a Kosta Sean Spicer threatened to kick him out if you try to ask another question who will be interesting to to watch for sure but it was just very strange it's very strange has staffer come out before the president to do that area supposed to be the media's advocate within the west wing right it's a balancing act Robert Gibbs Jay Carney Chechen rebel headed do that balancing act but it came out at the beginning like have you ever seen anything like that no never and a couple of things one it's it's worth remembering that the press a ever dwindling pie and so like in a smart world the press would figure out they would come together and try to come up with ways so that due to handle it that way I thought it was pretty unprofessional ad pretty dumb pretty dumb well so it was sort of like the first in a series of because I think it kind of gets to both sides of the argument other than Chuck's one point by fucked it fake news I guess both sides of the argument I think in a pretty smart CNN had to be he had to try to get a question like that was the right thing to do I think there are times when reporters are incredibly obnoxious about getting their questions asked your incredible and they do not serve themselves or readers of their public well I don't think this is one press has is they don't have the same collective interest so they're sort of in this together but they're also competing with jobs at the same time they're competing over because they all benefit from a certain questions being asked about how to do that in a smart way and Tata's Santa for each other but they're competitive instincts with each other prevent them from organizing themselves those cases I think if the president of the future of the United States and the president elect has just lied about your news organization you should do what you can to ask a question about that what they might have learned from this press conference is like you know what I was saying is if someone doesn't get questioned the next reporter should ask the question multi part questions with trump answer Jim's question and says putting your fake news and showed some down which was pretty also pretty scary talk to Russia I'm just making MFA question yes or no right and then if he doesn't answer that you can say you didn't answer my question if you answer ask three vague questions your it's pretty hard to follow if trump did that to a reporter someone should ask that reports question which I I understand actually did happen later that it did ask the question accost which is good but the problem the try to remember what other questions were an answer them trump just basically will blow through the multi part question just say one thing and then move on you know I don't know why this is so hard for the press to learn like Obama would oftentimes to it because he likes to give very fulsome answers at press conferences but other times he wouldn't right lie yes because if you ask a specific question can you confirm that do you have any knowledge that members of your team a lot yeah as opposed to like what do you think about allegations that some of your team met with Russia which is a lot of this style of some of these questions what do you think about reports that you know like he and they said that they have not made any judgment that the information in the document is reliable but they said they had briefed them basically because they wanted to give them a quote the fullest possible picture of any matters that might you forget about the other part and so just ask a one part question and then he force the person being interviewed to answer that question three to the fact that like here's a question didn't want and trump just said no you're not getting a question moved on and then answered a question from Breitbart I those that who the next person was was it's yeah and also like questions with pointed answers right like yes or no confirmed deny like not not like you know what about your gaffes type questions turn to them in times like this you know getting would you think about the cost of thing I think like as you point out I'm a senior contributor so I work with we're going to allocate the three minutes they're going to spend on it you know you and I have done a lot of interviews you asked me a multi part question I will start with the part of the question I want to answer and hope l. about the compromising information as a defense which seems odd the other thing I mean it was uh-huh Today on the pod we have ambassador Norman Eisen who was the former Obama special counsel for ethics in the White House norm kept oh I mean the answers were insane and people who say that he gave a good performance as I think political playbook did this morning or if they're gonNA have to be creative and what they do possibly put some of their competitive differences aside you now I mean I think the press could do in future press conferences or they might what I never ask him what he thinks about stuff treating the president like a pundit it's just it's it's not a good use anyone's time and that would drive me crazy idea I never thought multi multi part questions with Obama were never really a great idea like you ask you try to get like four questions at once and then adult become sort of jumbled Obama would at least go back and you are setting yourself up for failure if you give a person who controls the microphone three different questions to answer where they can pick it's like that should not be allowed at the White House or in press conferences like that like you get like we were getting to there are real hints at Dangerous Okay let's get to some of trump's answers on the Russia steph he basically finally admitted that Russia was responsible for the hacking which he hadn't done a long time probably called it fake news a half a dozen times born politico yeah it was playbook that's an insane approach right like I have we lowered the threshold for of expectations for trump's the the way to get things right is to think the opposite of everything that you feel in your gut so you look at if you look at that press conference and think that it will he did he brought up wikileaks to argue that the leak was a good thing that the leaks you know the leagues from wikileaks were good thing in the campaign and then he also cited Russia's denial would demand a press conference that we have a press conference and to be a bust your question the same questions they would've asked David axelrod he was the press yes this is very true in a way that would do that which is I mean that's just life it's not it's life although I I do think if they want to survive this era and they wanna you know they want to actually get trump to answer alot that literally drooling not drooling on himself is success will people think that because everyone got the election wrong the reason I tweeted that about political this morning because there was some collartoo some trump voter called up a minnesota public radio this morning was like I voted for trump uncertain there's a complete disaster the smart thing to do is be like no it worked like a charm you know and I just I mean it could have but there's there's not necessarily evidence that it was a good performance yeah alternative in the nineties against a single payer plan and so there is not something to the right of Obamacare that involved that can work the Republican plan for Universal Health Care Right it is the plan Republicans used at the basis of that plan is the plan Republicans used as interesting response here so he he basically said that there will be no repeal and delay that he wants to replace it plays obamacare possibly simultaneously left right now they cannot replace obamacare without democratic votes unless they eliminate the filibuster which you know twenty seventeen do not cut medicare to not cut medicaid to have a terrific replacement that ensures everyone that makes obamacare cheaper that makes a health insurance cheaper that makes premiums down that is next to impossible to do if he follows any of the plans Republicans have put forward including his own plan in the campaign nothing's out of the question but even if they did nuked the filibuster and put her obamacare replacement plan in place trump's promise to every year for the last six years and every year they have not done it it is not possible and the reason is not possible because because of the it could you could not do it in a month it took US almost a year to get affordable care act bill to be voted on and Democrats have been working on that project early and that he will have a plan to do so when his health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price is confirmed this is going to be a tricky one right there there is he basically sent out an impossible standard for obamacare repeal and replace Oh yeah let's talk about that because I thought that was that was how the conservative the Democratic Caucus in the Senate was when we had sixty votes the plan that can pass is the essentially I and it's also the judgment of success or failure is not in W- how much his poll numbers may go up in the next five to seven minutes and now it is actually it's not impossible it is absolutely fucking impossible it cannot be done there is no way in which it can happen and even doc and the specific things they've talked about particularly the most popular part of the affordable care act is getting rid of the ban on preexisting conditions right work for forty fucking years so I like the Republicans have been saying they're come up with a repeal replace plan you cannot repeal Republicans without Democratic votes can repeal obamacare and are trying to head down that path right right right he told a bunch of lies come back to haunt him Sean Spicer declare that trump had never met Carter page didn't know who he was he was one of the in this report your you referenced. The people who who was seen as a potential intermediary between the trump campaign and Russian intelligence yet trump specifically named deny someone healthcare because of preexisting condition for existing conditions can be anything including pregnancy and the most part by far the only way that to do that is with essentially universal coverage where people are for you need the mandate to do that and so that will go away under every Republican plan the it'll throw the insurance markets in the cast healthcare costs will go up in fewer people will be insured and many many many of those people are trump voters Carter page in the Washington Post editorial board as one of his foreign policy advisers who were helping them on matters he told lies or the Honam he made mistakes from Exxon he have health care through their employers so it doesn't affect them directly but gives them fear of what could happen it is very very hard to do and it was to me and again like we don't want to be in the prediction business anymore but look there are a lot of people who under almost any one of these republican we're premiums in many cases higher premiums so I just I don't know what they're gonNa do here now this again and I said this on Monday this is not to say that there are not that it's not hasn't been expanded so then more people are covered who are low income plenty of ways to improve this bill but so far we haven't seen any proposals to that effect for yeah which is why they are so nervous about this I mean there was a stupid so yeah but of all the things we talk about that that matter to voters right I he's getting rid of taking purely taking healthcare away from trump's base seems problematic repealing the affordable care act blows up the deficit and gives you know with a public option you can make sure people are paying less for their healthcare by increasing the subsidies that a lot of people are getting you can expand Medicaid and some of the states eighteen Republican senators who probably GonNa have the most competitive races like flake and Heller. I think it's probably also worth people calling and petitioning senators in red states plans or Republican plans that we've seen so far would lose their health insurance millions of people who lose their health insurance millions of people who would not be paying it's or senators and other competitive states in two thousand eighteen like the Joe Mansions of the world's Joe Manchin who represents a state in West Virginia where you know a disproportionate number got plenty of improvements to be made on the affordable care act on Obamacare you can have more competition some of these markets so their premiums and deductibles aren't as high it gives a big tax cut seventy tax cut to some of the richest people in America like there I mean it is a thousand campaign ads waiting to be made and from people are ten times worse than the politics of passing the affordable care act I mean he's some of the things in their amazing do you think getting rid of the ban on preexisting condition and you can say that once it happens they'll just lie and say oh no it's it's better and you know they'll be this whole debate again fake news real news publicans lines AIDS Gray we say it's bad people who are who are going to define themselves in part in opposite somewhere between the Democrats and trump right that could be Murkowski or people like that because you've gotta keep but the difference here is that people are GonNa feel this in their own lives when you lose healthcare it doesn't matter what the news reports say or what Republicans or Democrats say you're not GonNa have health yeah I voted for trump but you know and you can see that in states like Kentucky where which is one of the more success has one of the most successful state based affordable care act exchanges and any members of the Republican Congress or the trump administration there is no question that we knew this going in and it's probably even harder than we thought it'd be the politics of health care of passing second is we as a party if we can find ways to highlight these voters who would suffer who were capital and giving health care to twenty million people is a pretty hard to think of a better use of political capital than that but the politics of taking healthcare away a compelling agreed upon reasonable sounding message on this that we all echo and I hope it flows from the president said on Tuesday night yes voters who who will talk about the cost of losing healthcare and elevate those voices in paid media and free media you know have videos that people these stories about maybe I don't know written by Kirk in media about the about the effects of repealing the what do you think about like sort of the best path for for resistance here I think it is one for you're right that there's a certain set of target states and it's the Thomas set out about coverage costs in his speech is unacceptable to Democrats and there is a price to pay at the polls and what we ideally have you know blur on Medicaid right like I I can't even his conservative and right-wing sometimes as Joe mentioned is I can't imagine him wanting to cut back on on Medicaid for people so
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"Welcome back to pad save america. I'm tommy vitor. I'm john Jon favreau is still vacationing down at mar-a-lago spending much time twitter so love and i are holding down the fort today for an extra fun. July fourth themed show love it. Do you have any fireworks ready for us today. No the lapd lower. They took on fireworks. The lapd took all my fireworks. And they're like it's fine. We know what to do anyway. It was a mess Well listener show have local. La they really. Lapd blew up a truck and it's part of town but anyway sorry i. I didn't even know that. Oh okay well okay. Well that's that sounds like a mess. Then we're gonna talk about narratives in politics and beyond and you might be asking why narratives because narratives that's what july fourth is all about right. We're told a story about. America stretches from seventeen seventy six to today and there's important discussion to be had about what's real. What's not what's good. What could be a blind spot for us as americans. We're also going to pick apart some other common media narratives in politics in our culture. That sometimes are good. Sometimes drivers crazy. We're gonna have a little fun with it Then we are going to be joined by. Jason concepcion the co host of. Take line in all caps. Nba in ira madison. The third the co host of keep it for very special conversation about the most patriotic songs and then finally. You're gonna hear my interview with roger bennett. He's the co host a fantastic sports in soccer. Podcasts called men in blazers. We're gonna talk about his new book reborn in the usa. Roger became a us citizen in two thousand eighteen after falling in love with america decades ago as a kid growing up in liverpool england. And we'll talk about american culture and the power. The american story in probably sports and it'll be a lot of fun and i think you'll love hearing from him but love it Let's start with this narrative that defines july fourth in defines this episode which is american exceptionalism. What's your take good bad it's complicated. So here's what. I want to say about american exceptionalism and it. Is this anyone who believes that. America is the best country in the world cannot also believe in american exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is a pejorative to describe people who believe that america is the best country in the world despite evidence and so when someone says oh they don't even believe in american exceptionalism. It's really fucking confusing to me. Because presumably who says. I think america's the fucking best one of which is me. I'm one of those people. And if it's not. Because i believe or you if the person who says that doesn't believe in american exceptionalism they believe america is the best based on the facts right to say you believe in. American exceptionalism is like a paradox. You see what i'm saying. You see how it doesn't really make sense. I hear what you're saying. I mean i think what look just the listeners out constantly popping into the office and be like america fucking past. We'd go to the bathroom. Like i think some of this is kind of definitional right like there are things about america that are exceptional until recently i would have included our history of peaceful transfer of power germ. That got a little complicated on january. Six right our constitution. Our system of government is unique in that we have this capacity to amend it and fix it over time i think the term american exceptionalism it was first coined by alexis de tocqueville right. But it's changed a ton over. And i think we get into trouble when we get to high on our own supply and we decided that it means like america is more just and more pure than anyone else and like our way of is just inherently better than everyone else's and we're gonna force it on you like that to me is a real risk. Well you know. Obama got ding for saying americans believe in american exceptionalism the same way greeks believe in greek exceptionalism. And it was like he was like a two weeks. A fucking stories about not believing america's the best but actually. He was saying something different. American exceptionalism isn't something you can believe in the inside. It's what people on the outside. Say about us and our myopic view about america being the center of story that said i believe america is the center of every story. That's my position. Which is why. I reject american exceptionalism because america's the best. You see the problem issue. I like it. I like it. I also think like what i kind of like cringe at a little. Bit is the constant like reflexive. This isn't who we are rhetoric. Whenever something terrible happens in the united states which ignores the reality that a lot of the things we're talking about that are terrible in. That moment happened a lot right. Slavery jim crow. The these are some of the recent conversations we had and then there was this just ridiculous idiotic. Seventeen seventy six commission report that the trump folks leaked or released. Sorry right at the end of the administration that was literally just whitewashed literally. Us history in an effort to push back on the sixty nine thousand nine project like that to me is the ultimate like it's american exceptionalism to me is good when it's aspirational it. It's a story about america constantly. Trying to live up to an ideal. It's really bad when it's a cudgel that just silences criticism. And i think that's what kind of the the right wing version has been come. There's also There's like another level to the racism that goes along with the fighting against teaching of our history and full. Like oh and and you know. You see people like josh hawley saying like. I don't wanna teach mike. I don't want our kids to learn that america's racist. I want american people to have hope in america and implicit in that sam. Sanderson we we talked about. Osama is that you know who is who is teaching for his teaching for white kids. But it's also who is. Who does america belong to and to not refer to not include the full scope of our history in our patriotism is to deny the american americanise of people denied america's promise for hundreds of years. And like it's there. It's this was their country to and there was their story to in full and so like anyway and a thought and not no. That's i agree that that's why i do think it's more than symbolic that we are. Now celebrating recognizing juneteenth. We've made a lot of progress in the set of conversations. I've another narrative for you. Okay that drives me a little bit crazy. Which is washington used to be a bastion of civility. If we could only get back to that. And and i'd say like you could start this narrative and a lot of places like if you go way back to the eighteen hundreds rate A representative beat charles. Sumner with a metal tip kane on the senate floor. i don't know that that's the civility. We're looking for the more. Modern iteration is ronald reagan. Tip o'neill they have a scotch talk. Like men. Cut deals on social security reform. Why can't we get back to that. Wo- as washington right like we miss those days and the problem here is this is such rose revisionist. History like yes. These guys cut a deal but it wasn't because of friendship or civility love it. How civil is this quote to you. Quote the evil is in the white house at the present time and that evil is a man who has no care. No concern for the working class of america in the future generations of america into likes to ride a horse. He's cold he's mean he's got ice water for blood. That's tip o'neill talking about ronald reagan. I like i like that. I liked that side of tip. O'neill you don't hear enough about it. Yeah it's also like you know One of the one of the great political deals ever made in washington was between northern democrats in southern democrats to Allow the south to be an authoritarian region. So that Fdr become president. You know democrats could win elections. Yeah so some deals are really bad. I think my view is that deals inherently aren't good or bad it's a it depends on the deal. I think that's my view on deals. Honestly this narrative. I i really wrote this. This is this narratives. The cousin of the sort of bipartisan policies are inherently better than partisan policies narrative which is just absurd when you think about kerak war versus the affordable care act. But yeah. I mean the civility case like i it just ignore so many things the way the parties have changed over time. It ignores the way gerrymandering is radicalized. A house of representatives and changed political incentives. And it also just ignores the reality that yes okay sure like members of congress to be better friends. They were also more homogeneous. At that time it was more white it was more mail is more christian. It was a bunch of people from the same social class. So like i think we just need to be very careful for the sort of olden days that we're pining for bees. If you look under the hood. I'm not sure that they were quite that great. I agree. I don't really do very much pining as a rule not a pyner Algo my next. My meredith is a moderate democrats in swing districts taking more. Moderate stances are hurt by left-wing members in left wing districts taking more left wing stances This this came up Soon after the election when there was some hand-wringing about the fact that yes joe biden one but the house majority shrunk that democrats Weren't able to win a resounding victory in the senate that we were ultimately later able to win the georgia rates obviously And this began with a fight between connor lamb and afc. That i don't think laid out particularly helpfully. But but i'm glad that has died down and basically you know. The crux of the issue is that it is. It seems very true. That moderate democrats were democrats in swing. Districts are getting tagged by monikers like socialism or Defend the police or medicare for all or host of other policies that are not helpful to them amongst the kind of suburban moderates that these that these more moderate members are trying to win. And so where do they point. They point to the The people on the left of the party both in congress and outside of congress the activists who have made to fund the police or polish polish ice or medicare for all or host of other left-wing priorities sort of. They have found very ingenious ways to frame. These debates simple elegant powerful messages that breakthrough and have helped shift our debate but then through fox news and propaganda organs get tagged to all democrats and my issue here. Is i think. John tommy night. We talked about this all the time. That like i think one thing that you see on twitter. But i think you see in a larger way is It's more fun to yell at people who respond to you. It's more fun to engage with people who see you acknowledge you care but you have to say or perhaps in some way affected by your arguments And so you know it's this. It's a similar phenomenon of of looking for your keys Where the light is shining but the reality is whether the left of the party takes a strong stance or not fox news tucker carlson Right wing radio. The facebook right wing organization organizations. They don't need a they don't need A lot of help to find the activists the random person the to saying something to the left that they're gonna tag you with and so don't hate the player hit the game. The issue is that we have a massive right wing operation. That's taking every extreme every left idea and trying to paint everybody with it and we have to fight that not each other because there's always going to be a left of the party and they're always going to be trying to pull us to the left. That's a good thing. And so we gotta find a way to fight the actual cause the cause of the problem is not the left person saying something. It's the system that takes that left person's words and applies it to everybody even if it's not helpful in certain places and we i think we lose sight of that because it's easier argue with people who argue back. That's a good one. That's a good one. That i believe deeply Here's one that's a little. That's a little tough to swallow for a former white house communications aids. Which is the bully. Pulpit that there is this belief narrative that the white house comes with a bully. Pulpit that has this huge rhetorical weapon that presidents could pull out at anytime and you can just use it as you want to move political opinion. Now what folks need to know is. There is no evidence that this is true. It's a bunch of political. Scientists have dug into their data. So ronald reagan was known as the great communicator. He saw support for programs. He opposed like regulations healthcare spending welfare education environmental protection. Those sport for those things went up during his presidency and support for defense spending went down when he was champion it Other researchers looked at fdr fireside chats. They only increase his approval by less than one percent his speeches on issues like entering the second world war they didn't move the electorate either bill clinton visited two hundred cities and towns before the nineteen ninety-four midterms. God bless his staff His numbers dropped his healthcare bill failed. Republicans retook the house. Bush tried to sell social security privatization. Failed gallup look at the impact of state of the union addresses going back to nineteen seventy eight. And they found that they rarely affect the president's public standing in any meaningful way. So my like take home here. Is that sometimes talk backfire. Like when the president talks about an issue things that are nonpartisan can become partisan the minute you champion so i think white houses in activists need to think just as much about do we want the president to not focus on this to not talk about it and just working behind the scenes in see if that's a more effective path to getting something done than to like make it the headline of the state of the union. Yeah i think there's two things. I think that's one i think. Sometimes it's like i think politics really messaging. Generally i think it's true for you. Know corporations trying to sell something It's like being on a swing. You gotta pugs the right time and you gotta be resonant with the wave you know. It doesn't help to to to to pump legs halfway down. You gotta be right at the top or right at the back end. So i think sometimes it's about knowing the moment where you can kind of use the momentum of conversation and and move it a little bit further at otherwise would have gone easier to easier to to To make a fire worse than it is to start a fire. The deeper part of this too is political. News is about people it's about individuals about personalities much harder to make systems trends institutions the protagonist In the news just doesn't work And so we end up talking about individuals and personalities when we need to be talking about like systems instructors that's right here's one This is a stretch. But i think implicit in a lot of our politics right now including my own. So i'll own this and take i i. It doesn't change my One just say it the nature of bowlers. Ation that the nature polarization as it is right now is like a semi permanent fixture and so the only way we can combat things like the anti majoritarian nature of the senate is to add states. Where the only way we can stop. Republicans from having an inherent advantage in. Gerrymandering is to stop gerrymandering. I wanna stop those things. And i want to become a state. I'm of puerto rico. The chance to choose if they want to become state. I want to add seats brim court. I'm for all of it. Let's go But i think sometimes is a like a learned helplessness around. Why democrats failed to win. In some of these places in the country when democratic politics like expanding medicaid raising the minimum wage union. Politics sometimes do much better than democrats. And so i think we should sometimes put a little more thought into why there's this massive delta between democratic policies and democratic politicians and when we are also focused on fighting some of these counter majoritarian institutions. Because like you know we weren't talking as much about how anti-democratic the senate was when we had sixties really didn't come in the conversation as much so like we should not right off the smallest states in the country and just assume that those republican forever. There's just no reason to accept that As a permanent state that's good that's good Here's one for you. This is how we got. Trump people love to state their pet issue. And say this is how we got. Trump take is. You're always wrong. One hundred percent of the time. You're wrong when you make this claim because it wasn't one thing that's that's more of a a statement that debate here's one for. Here's one the debate with you. Let okay public apologies. Work in there. The right thing to do. I used to be a firm believer there like if you screw up in the public eye you own it you apologize bust out that notes app you write out your you. Take your lumps right. I feel one hundred confident. Now that is the wrong advice that our culture punishes people who apologize who just gets covered. More there's voices who say your policy sucked. It wasn't good enough those drown out all the others. It's just a broken process. I think that's yeah. I think it's i don't think that there's a clear rule I think it depends. I think one one more one version of this to me is Not not for moral reasons but for pure mercenary political calculus. Yes never resign never ever yes like resigning is always a mistake. The andrew cuomo still governor eliot spitzer. I think he's in space. Maybe or with john edwards building where they are never ever like. Maybe it's the marks where know well marx effort. He resigned than one and then he lost. But he's a weirdo and he's an exception. You know education laws you know but but Yeah the if someone if someone close to me was that was in was in a terrible political scandal and asked me what to do and i was focused only on what was best for that not for the state not for the government number anybody but them as individuals i would say you hang on for dear fucking life. You high do it maybe apologize. See this is why. I think it's sometimes you can. You can get in an apology. Although liz brune egg who is a great writer and often heterodox in a way that makes twitter very angry but who i respect a lot talks about how we created a kind of system Where there is a lots of repentance but no acceptance and so like that's not ideal deal but end of incoherent thought tiger. With all of that do you have Do you have any more narratives. I have one more lease which is The value of authenticity There's this idea that we're looking for is authentic politicians and i think trump ought to be the thing that kills that dead because he is on stage in a credibly authentic liar a fully present performer. Living in the moment saying what is in his heart and obviously completely full of shit. Because when you're saying you're looking. So i think it's because authenticity is a lot of good traits. Stripped of their meaning stripped of their morality like authenticity is an impression of honesty integrity trustworthiness right. But when you signal to the world that we are looking for politicians that seem authentic you announce it too ambitious people of all levels of virtue that like what you need to do is put on a performance of authenticity. And you know what they'll do it. They'll do it so we don't want authenticity want integrity. And by the way. I think sometimes the authenticity trap is that authenticity is i. Think for of for for many reasons. Easier to be performed by old white guys and often harder to be grasped in the media by by women by people of color by gay people. So no authentic integrity authenticity. That's my position like that Okay this random would. I don't know this is. The narrative is much thing is always me. Why do people gender inanimate objects your this mostly from men a lot of time around like food like steaks and beer masculine salads and wine feminine. Know it's fucking food. You're eating food sustenance to keep you alive but i actually think it's kind of a dumb damaging thing if you think about the idea of telling a bunch of young kids especially young boys like eating healthy is not what they should be doing for like made up. Gender reasons is the thing that really bothered me for a long time. Yes it's it's happening. It's playing out right now around trying even say it without the lab grown meat like meat that is not made of cows but made in out of other materials. And you know there's this culture we're going on now in texas where like you can't call it in you know and and i saw there was a great ad by one of the companies impossible beyond one of the fake me companies. Pick me. it's not the right term. We need a better term. you haven't cracked yet. I told you this you haven't listened But their campaign is. Are you afraid you'll like it. Which i think is really good to really good kind of pushing back on that but yeah it's like there's always this thing. It was like when ted cruz put bacon around the end of like some kind of a gun to cook the with the gun. Talk the bacon and it's absurd some yeah there is a you had the Masculine food is pretty incoherent But you know decades of advertising basically just rotting our brains. Yeah it's interesting. It's like even flowers. 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We've got the deepest of so we're gonna do for other listeners. We're going to do a little draft so we're going to select are five most patriotic songs when listeners. Here this episode. You will be able to go to the various parts of america's social media accounts in vote on who had the best draft or just talk shit to us. There's no stakes here. This is just fun to just come for the ride. So when folks pick their song feel free to make little case for why. It's the best. We're going to define patriotism broadly. I assume so. We'll start by drawing some names out of a hat to see who goes first and then we'll do a snake draft. Okay love it number one. Pack on. i'll kick us off okay. Lemme lemme draft the others real quick. Okay we gotta get our order number two jason number three. Ira bringing up the rear here. Okay dear diary all right here we go my kicking us off. You are all due to at the end because with the snake. Well she explain shuji. Explain for the for the for the audience out. There is not perhaps versed in the snake draft. What the snake drafted it is. He's been pretending. I've said he's a pro people jason's bro so the snake draft worst is whoever picks i goes than to go second third fourth and then the person who drafted fourth so me. I'll pick two then. We'll come back around to love it and he'll do too right. So that's that's how you don't get screwed if you're at the end. So think about the way snake moves like in this kind of squid. Fashion greg os. As the snake hits the end the fourth pick. It then comes back and so forth picnics again. And then when it gets to the front the formerly i pick now picks again and it. Does this whole swim. Like i said he's press squid. Don't tread on me now now. now do not it. All right. i'm gonna kick. Offs is an anthem for our time. And for this moment is a song written by. Will i am auto knows. Jeff grosso anthony preston and ruth anne cunningham along with the singer of the song britney spears who lead signal. The was the free two thousand. Thirteen album britney. Jean the song is work bitch but it was edited for radio as work work. I will share some lyrics. I think capture both the american experience and the ongoing tragedy of spears captivity. Here we go. You want to haunt bonnie you want a bugatti you wanna maserati. Better work bitch. You wanna lamborghini sipping martinez looking hot in a bikini better work bitch you wanna live. Fancy live in a big mansion party in france. You better work bitch. You better work bitch. You better work bitch. You better work bitch. Now get to work bitch. How is it that we did not understand that these songs were cry for help. You know love it. I know you had to read those lyrics. What's your point of the month the taco shell. Wow you're it's getting personal early. Everybody jason you're up with your second verse pick well. It's not only a great july fourth song. I see it as a great song for moving to los angeles which is a move that i made several years back. You know hopped off the plane at lax with dark dream in my cardigan lyrics. By jessie j. I love that. The british person wrote this song. Vocal by miley cyrus. It is of course party in the usa an anthem for our times and anthem. For all time and addictive number. I love the song does the does the geography. Quite make sense that she would hop off the plane at lax. And then looking to the right. See the hollywood sign. That doesn't quite track but love the song anyway party in the usa. Taking the ten to the now this is all right because when south and then again. Jessie j a british person wrote the song. So that's fine. You know what. Jesse jesse j is a great singer. She can blow a great singer in her own right. I love her. Yeah that is true. All right ira okay. We'll unpack my first choice. You know inspired by the ongoing drama with the filibuster And the people in the democratic party. I'm picking where the party at by jacket edge featuring nelly Because also you know whenever. There's american holidays. I'm always like where the part yet. That's a good one. That's a real good one. Okay my so. I think ira as classic is always bound in. There goes where the party. I have done that my first pick pick to my first pick. Sam cooke a change is gonna come one of the greatest voices in the history of the world. The song became an anthem for the civil rights movement. We will all look past one night. Miami and how underwhelming that film actually was have the most interesting people in history in a room together. Maybe have them do something. Just a thought but that's my first pick My second pick is green day. American idiot was down of post. nine eleven hysteria. Don't wanna be american idiot. One nation controlled by the media. Information age of hysteria is calling out to idiot america. How perfect is that Shoutout shoutout to the person who would lean over. And say this about this about bush your second. So my next song is by an icon linen craft. It's american woman. Plan out by now and the lyrics sort of is how i feel about american women. American woman stay away from me. American woman mama. Let me be the american woman's a white wall now okay. That's an assumption. I think we we get away. Okay report oh right. And who could forget of lowest. Here's artist. I just want to say that i love this. Pick both for its essential essence in and of itself. And the fact that famously lenny. Kravitz split his leather pants. While performing this song the clip then going viral. An amazing moment in american history did indeed let it all. Hang out he did. Gosh i'm good for my next pick. I'm going to go slightly met this song. I love this song. It's not just a fourth of july song. But i think specifically it works really well on the fourth it is katy perry's fireworks a firework. Excuse me now i. I'm so glad you cut that now. Do i dock it because because the opening couplet is. Do you ever feel like a like a plastic bag drifting through the wind. And you know that being a reference. I think to a scene from a bad movie. That i'm not gonna name because the the movies bad and problematic Yes i do dr points for that. But i still think the chorus is addictive and katy perry's agreed pop songstress and i love to hear this song. The fourth july can love. You got to. I got to And and I really appreciate that choice. Jason i I understand why. You don't like that film but i think that anyone who hasn't moved by two teen saying that there's so much beauty in the world. They don't think that they can take it about a plastic bag. Floating in the wind has no has no as iran's frankly and i disagree with those who say that there was some sort of collective fucking delusion about that movie when it came out and what like ninety ninety nine eight. I want to say something like that. Yeah we think that was profound. Why did we. Why did people will go man the plastic bags seen that holy shit. There's something i always remember for. Because because it was from the making of american beauty and it was a story in which steven spielberg saw early screening came out of the movie with tear rolling down his cheek and turn to send mendis and said you've made a classic. I always think about that. All right my next to I is a song. Called main title It is the first movement from one of the greatest pieces of orchestral music ever written called star wars by the composer john williams often connected to a lesser work of film that shares. The same name is about a group of rebels. Take on an empire and win and then as we learn in later movies failed attack out of the systemic internal issues once the empire is defeated main title of star wars one of the greatest songs in american history. John williams one of the greatest composers in american history. Their credit doesn't get the credit if he put some of those songs into a symphony and then spielberg took from that symphony. As found music he considered one of the greatest composers of all time. But he's not because he's got the stink cinnamon shame on all of us. Shame on all of us. Wow shame on jason. This is a great pick. I agree with it. It's good you'll more one more love it. Oh my next is a song called fanfare for the common man honored america. Yeah that's right that's right. Written by aaron. Copland a gay jew from brooklyn. You hear that song boom boom. You're on your bonna. Your fucking feet is single. But but one thing i really like the one thing. I really liked one thing. I really liked about. Aaron copeland is he kept getting older but his boyfriends stayed the same age. Okay kevin spacey fan over there. They were adults. I'm not just just you know they were adults you creeps. That's a good. Pick i jason. You're up who okay tough to pick here. But let's go with one of the greatest renditions of the star spangled banner ever put to wax recording. Whatever you wanna say it is. Whitney houston's rendition. Rest and power of the star spangled banner and we have. We have divisive feelings about this particular song but who can hate on. Whitney's stirring and absolutely flawless delivery of this song. It is whitney houston singing. The national anthem children were saying. That's not bad at weddings graduations at funerals the performance jason. Because i remem- because it's so big and it is so memorable. And and so when when i think of it i think of it as this gigantic incredible long sweeping performance. But actually she walks out there in that tracksuit yuppie starts. She crushes it. Crushes gone. it's not tight. It's tight the thing i remember about. It is that after it was done. Who and. I don't remember who the person calling. The game was just went. Whoa back understated. Yes i right all right well. I'm surprised no one picked this already. I'm going to have to go with the seminal. Classic american pie was released. In two thousand and the soundtrack for the madonna rupert everett. The next best thing. Of course talking about madonna cover of american power william for the remix. Sing that is a sick choice tag. did it i. i'm i'm coming. I'm bringing the heat right back jason. I'm going with the jimi hendrix version of the star spangled. Banner can't woodstock camping. Because the song itself it evolved over time like the country. There were hundreds of different lyrics that that morphed into what we hear today the hendrix version. Some would argue is the most powerful version of it in history. Jimmy was in the army. Vietnam was raging. it was like uses. This torn torture. Person that arizo hendrix's My guy here in the my next one similar timeframe. But i'm gonna go. With creedence clearwater revival. Fortunate son. that is Like it in your face fucking angry. Protest song about class and who fights are wars and who makes the decision to go to war. It's angry and it's scathing and it's awesome didn't trump out to fortunate son and like one of those didn't listen to the lyrics moments in american history and that's america to That's that's that's america's story and not paying attention story this country to iraq your fourth pick. My fourth pick is from a musical very american. It is the opening song from assassins. Everybody's got the right off broadway broadway. I want you to know. I want you to know that. As i was thinking about off-broadway he's thinking about my choices. I was the only place where i feared. Overlap would be sawn time. That was where. I thought that that's where we might might overlap. I didn't end up choosing ending. You probably would have picked something. America from west side story. Shed i Am i up. Jason jason's wow. I'm and i'm going to jump down. I'm going to pick up one of my lower seeds little early just because as a high school band kid. This one Really speaks to me. I love a good band arrangement. I'm going to go with stars and stripes forever by john phillips sousa and bab up. It's you know as soon as you hear it. You wanna you wanna do that. Quick step in march and Again i i love to hear those two. I love to hear those sousa phones. I love to hear the clarinets trumpets the flutes. Give it give it to me. John phillips sousa the stars and stripes forever to grape pack. Great big You know you're dealing with a master when they name a giant to after you when you can make a new he did when you can't get what you need out of the tuba. I need a new one year putting out there. We we need a. We need a super to our current to technology is not up to the standards that i am looking for. Therefore i'm going to disrupt the to space and create a whole new but with a wider range. I love it. You got to just loving. Sousa disrupting the tubes. Fates all right. My next to and i want to go in here. Knowing that some people some people played a win some people play for history with the choices they make all right my next choice it is. It is from the ballet rodeo. The courting at burnt ranch specifically the section called hoedown the nineteen forty two ballet composed by. You guessed it gay. American born nineteen hundred died nineteen ninety. That's right it's lithuanian. Jewish origins aaron copeland with hoedown from rodeo but unedited admitted knows. But then. don't get it. yes. I'm well aware of big fan. You're talking about people today. it's the same. it's the same one. it's the one gay guy. Well i almost want you to know. Almost i i made a choice and i almost was gonna give you a range of gay jewish composers and then the problem was it was hard to not go with george gershwin's rhapsody in blue screen but rhapsody in blue has been double tapped in the back of the head. One shot by woody allen in manhattan the other by united airlines so that's an executed song dead on the ground And then it was like well. There's samuel barber. But it's like adagio for strings while very american two to sad even though the american story is thinking nine eleven and a freak out and never forget. But like yeah. It's too much. I mean there's the most americans gershwin songs slap that bass sure. Why not. why not my choice. And that's not. There's another kid there's another. There's there's darker darker darker choices in the gershwin song catalogue but the next choice is appalachian spring specifically the allegro by the late composer. It's aaron copeland. It's aaron copeland and my reason for choosing all of these copeland songs again. Knowing that this was not for a win but for history is. I just want to remind everybody listening that gay jews from brooklyn allow wrote the american songbook alright. They wrote america's songs all right some of the married women and they hated it. Some of them didn't some of them married women and then had heart attacks which seems like probably were just kind of panic attacks from the lives. They had to lead but they wrote great songs. All right shadow. Charles is actually shadowed to. Charles is whether you're gay or straight charles is was charles. I'd be straight i apologize. He wasn't accountant. I do know he was an account or an ad man. Everyone's gay when they're dead. It's true that's now. The mormons have anything to say about it. Jason jason. Oh my god okay. Strapped state draft. Well here is where. I'm kinda thrown into disarray. A. little bit here. You know what i'm going to say i thought about. I'm just gonna take you into my process. I thought about picking american boy. But i already picked a song written by another british person about america's i'm not gonna do that i also don't know what it still up to right now so i'm not gonna i'm gonna go from that one. Is she cunanan now. Okay so. I'm glad i didn't pick okay so i am going to go. Gosh this is stuff. You know what i'm gonna go with. Woody guthrie's this land is our land. You learn it in school. It is a folk ways. Classic one of the great protest songs in american history The fact that they teach you to kids is funny to me because then you read the lyrics and you're like oh this is. This is actually quite a this is actually a revolutionary socialist propaganda that i'm learning as child which is which i maintain sharing this country as as one people. It's an ideal that we should try to live up to. This land is our land woody. Guthrie it's critical race theory. A lot is what it is. Yeah don't let the don't let the right read the lyrics. Don't tell tom cotton pick now. It's like do you think i'm gonna go for a very serious ernest one or i see love it space. I know what he thinks. I'm gonna do but i'm gonna go with a serious one. I'm going to go with of the black national anthem sung by beyond say at coachella. I knew it. You lift every voice and sing great choice. There's a real opportunity there for you to say one of the many other song she said i mean i could have gone with independent woman because i'm constantly throwing my hands up at her because i am an independent woman and i'm a mama who's prophet and you that you bet your. Yeah that's what everyone says about bank. You struggling here with his last one. okay now. What i'm gonna do de ngelo. Devil's pie Fuck the slice. We want the pie. Watch us all stand in line for a slice of the devil's pies by greed. Materialism what is more american than that. Rick rubin i think produced it. Pretty sure he did great song. Great artists underrated. Listen to it. Kids if you don't know this one also featured in the movie belly just also underrated if you wanna see lots of rappers acting so. That's my pick that talking about belly on this morning. I think i've seen belly ten times. I see that for you. There's that scene where they come into the club and like it's all lit up for what songs playing anyway not going to sing it Really hoping i was. I was on the edge. You only here on on all caps. Nba one of us went to berkeley in one of us class williams class it. So here's the thing as a small child. I had a wonderful melodious voice. famed at camp starlight Where i was oliver. Where i took on many a great role and then i hit puberty and i vividly remember The two gay guys The theater -partment one of them saying what happened to john. And then the guy the piano at puberty then. But that was the end of my. That was the end of my music career hall. 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It was already answered on episode of in the bubble. it's fantastic. you learn a lot about equality society ourselves. This is our shot at building. A better america when that works for everyone new episodes komo twice a week on mondays and wednesdays. Listen to in the bubble shot with anti slavic from lemonade media. Wherever you get your podcasts. I am thrilled to welcome on today's guest as a broadcaster. Podcast co host of the fantastic men in blazers shows and the author of the amazing new book reborn in the usa. Roger bennett roger. Great to have you on the show so me. It's julia to be back okay. So today's episode. We're talking a lot about narratives and i thought your book is a perfect way to talk about the power of the story of america. The power of american movies culture and music. Because this book is a self-described englishman's love letter to america. And i feel like it's so nice to hear that sentiment. Because i think we rightly have talked a lot about the enormous flaws with this country. But it's important to also remember what a privilege it is to be here so it's also a privilege to have you know Remarkable to be here just after the july fourth weekend. I've wrote this book for so many reasons. You listeners can probably tell by my accent. Tom not from the united states. But i have become in my heart more american than kenny powers. I'm probably like bruce springsteen levels. that's what i aspire. And i grew up in liverpool england at don't time in the north history nineteen eighty s the great city liverpool magical place. That was falling apart economically politically culturally. There's a heroin epidemic unemployment soaring thatcher just laying waste to the coal pits to the steel mills. If you've seen billy elliot you kind of know what happened. I didn't have ballet to save me 'til may but had instead of the arabesques really was american soft power. The culture the books music movies television shows the chicago bears and feasted on all of them. They all seem to be little breadcrumbs. That could be lifting. Keller whereas mine was lived in black and white so i wanna talk about that feast on a john hughes in the chicago bears and the music Let's just start with your your expensive experience growing up in liverpool because the book is so funny and it's incredibly relatable detail because i want to get that experience so you talk about the teachers just caning students regularly beating the crap out of them with rulers. I guess there are scenes where students put hydrochloric acid on a teacher's desk. There's a thumb tack on. Teacher's was your school full of sociopaths. Or was this normal for liverpool. Yeah one other working. Titles for the book was this past as normal with it was normal in. I went to school in england where the time almost every school nineteen eighty s. The teachers created disciplined by thrashing. The students it was a school whereas the last vestiges of the british empire my school britain still had an empire. Children should be seen and not heard studied. Latin greek and ancient history and any deviation was met with a quick thrashing. The buttocks routinely go home absolutely battered by sadistic teacher. And your parents. Just be like. Aw you look bad kit again. Latest everything past as normal and the story referring to one of my Classmates put a thumb tack on a on a teacher seat and he sat on it and we all held our breath to start laughing when he jumped up in pain instead. He delivered the lecture for entire hour and at the end he said children. I know you put a thumb tack. Oh my seat. And i was foolish enough to sit on it and as a result i must pay the price the world war prisoner captured world. War two prisoner camps. Teach us if you have an action. You must pay the consequences. And i have paid mine and he walked out and left leftist absolutely gobsmacked by his sadistic attempt to tell us his life which is pretty awful unbelievable. I mean i guess unless one feels too bad for you about all of this high school sounds just like a buck dahlia. I mean there are. There are some stories that maybe are too hot for tv roger. You might have to buy the book to find out what happened to the poor microwave at one one high school party but it was. It was so relatable. Because i think every kid's every high school class has that one high school party they got famously out of control right like there was a my sophomore year. My friend walked into one party. And someone you've never met before came up to him and said Adam do you know milly in. She was the person who lived there and And she asked this of adam and he said yes. Yes i do in this. Stranger said tell her. There was a small fire in the basement. But it's been contained and that was his entry way to this party and i thought of that as i read about this. Just debauchery with you and your friends at the pubs every night. I mean you kind of had to pull yourself back from the brink. Their a one point whether you safai in a in a world of dog ness by with huma the reason so many english. Comedians come out and liverpool. It's hilarious. I survived through making light of dog ness that surrounds. You and also liverpool was the port city in which every product rolled out to the empire in the olden days and then everything came in and liverpudlians look out to say and dream of a world which is different tori particularly towards america. Tell me in all the products all the goods all the services. America roll through the port of liverpool. It's not a coincidence. That the beatles came out of liverpool where ruikun role i england pull joe george and the other one say oh rose up and said we felt so close to america until i told myself i was an american trapped in an englishman's body my from my own family story of three generations ago. My great-grandfather harris was a butcher. In the ukraine he dreamt of a better life like thousands. You wanna go to chicago. The whole capital of the world and the myth of the liverpool jewish community is the it's full of the low iq individuals when the boat from east in your doctor review in the pool. They look up at the wom- till building on the liverpool skyline thought. They were in new york. Goff we've made it to the promised land but it wasn't my grandfather sam who are so close with when things with door he would pick up this little chart ski statue of liberty plastic souvenir toy. And just look at it and say we should have lived. There should live that every american piece of culture heart-to-heart the love boat fantasy. I all of it just filled me with. They were like clues of this land. I felt i was america. Even though it never set foot there and oversee the portes told me your party. My party it was rent. The mc in the beastie boys that would just essentially they were the puppet masters of all of our behavior for at least two years amazing So roger the transfer portal opened and we got our hands on you on june first two thousand eighteen. You became an american citizen. Congratulations we're thrilled to have you But before you spent before he became a citizen. You spend all this time in the. Us watching observing america. You are modern alexis de tocqueville. Was there anything you're able to see in that time the that you think that we missed about ourselves i. I came to chicago when i was sixteen. K may refer someone and i lived in the northern suburbs with my pen pal. Let's the person you right to young listeners. Before the age of the internet and it was john hughes his neighborhoods glencoe highland park. I lifted and it was as promised it was has promised was the holy land nutri a high school which is bigger than most english university. Your mom wants nutria. Mafia thousands of your listeners. And no doubt yes i went to it was it was i openly spectacular and i met the chicago bears super bowl winning team william refrigerator. Perry whispered into my dream. Big dreams kit. You can do anything i did. You can too. Which i now know. Working in. Sports is in the modem of every cliche and the athlete just flings off when they meet some little kid and want to get the hell away from them but when he said them us oh my god he's telling me to move to chicago as soon as i can and i did. A data moved here at the first opportunity after university in england and job. My first job. I was illegal alien. Which i think is an important part. The story told me you know. I came on a tourist visa and just never left into begin wherever a waiter a baker terrible baker four am. Sheriff i was a librarian other full asleep in the in the stacks i was just hustling and then it got a job. At a degree in england. I got a job during the welfare debate of of june. The clinton welfare debate where single african american males were really stigmatized in that policy debate and public advocacy groups to trade mixed. The homeless men How to talk to the media about the challenges bitten between Welfare and work. It was a major. So i arrived and thence for most of my life in the robert taylor homes in the near south side of chicago. And so what. I realized immediately young road and this will not show you. Tell me you spend your whole life grappling with this. I i was it absolutely aflame. And i still am twi wrote the book. I still am the biggest motivator. The driver of my life that driving force in my life. I've acted upon as a kid. The grew out with the statue of liberty painted on his bedroom wall and the manhattan skyline and dream of moving there and made that dream come true by luck and by being blessed but i realized that's the american idea and i instantly and the robert taylor homes. You immediately are exposed to the american reality and the gap between the tape was start. I was startling. Startling officer route the book in the seventeen months of lockdown when all of that really fermented and and became unbearable and impossible to ignore Which is why ultimately the epitaph for a book. That's about a love of america. Lifelong love of america that driving of america. Why the appetite for the book which is probably the important words in the boat. They don't mind the epitaphs such a funny. Sorry the why the epigraph of the book. The epigraph is funny. Part of any boot. Where you actually using somebody else's words to set your enough for mike case for shadow them it's the words of of links than Hugh's lab america be america again. The land never has been yet and yet must fake. I love the book in your political awakening. it starts when your father makes you Be one of like the only people in all of liverpool to support margaret thatcher and go around and canvas and knock doors and then you get obviously immediately makes you just a a a a red hot flaming liberal like like me. You know just like the absolute opposite of whatever he intended. Yeah i mean my. My father is a judge in liverpool and liverpool. When i was growing up that the city was it fell. You could walk onto a street corner and stare at buildings and genuinely see them deteriorate before you're always i remember watching mad max the thunderdome and thinking that way slim yet the waste. That didn't look that bad to me. That'd be an upgrade. On where i'm living and it was a deeply political tell. Fat show was the making the south writer as a financial centre a financial center in europe and the north she just laid waste and liverpool was her punching bag. She stigmatized the entire city and there was a deep regret at the time when liverpool city council had serious debates about whether they should seed from the rest of england and become a republic a socialist republic the republic of liverpool. And in that milia. My dad was like last conservatives. He adored mrs thatcher loved the queen. I was weighing school like everybody. The but there were pitched battles at the time all up and down england between the miners strong to fight to save the union thatcher and the police force just running battles every night on the news. Just thousands of men just bloodied in pitch hand-to-hand battles up and down up and down the north in the midland's until i wore school under my color which was capable if you were found a coal not dole like in but that but that was the last the pope leave the maybe there were a dozen thatcher support as it was fruitless thing was like daniel going into the lion's den but the opposite set of values and he said you know we need to leaflet these areas with conservative. What holding the bump propaganda crap and and you know knowing tent do whatever about that settlers yukon to the phone when it rings during dinnertime thoughts through you do it and we went and we had just doke set on this. We had this. We had bags of pace chuck to this. I'm as well we blood he should've done and there's no better way. I believe than to turn your your kids into flaming progressives than to force them to do what we did so in a way. I'm thankful and every election but that would say before the results came. When i went to bed he'd say if the conservatives lose tonight we're going to move to canada and told me i had seen i had seen aggressee street. It didn't know half pat in toronto. And i would go to bed and i would like nail like at seeing the how you pray in school at seen that that's what you do. Nail put my hands together. And let's say please. God let fat chill news tonight. She did this. Political turmoil is as formative experience for you and then be you become a citizen in the middle of trump era right when in racism and anti immigrant sentiment. Six ewing fourth from the white house. Did you ever worry that you joined team. America right. Before we were about to get relegated to a lesser tier of democracy. It felt bad for a minute. May may may. I mean there's a joke among amongst all fans the when a elite athlete comes home or a movie star they are guaranteed to have a just a bomb of a movie within weeks or aaron rogers cable and then lost the loss tampa bay in the in the playoffs immediately and when that happens the fans who is tweet. Hashtag cursive roach. And a half the candid. The became an american in two thousand eighteen. It was the and will be the single greatest achievement of my life to be a kid that had dreamed yearned completing my. You know my my family generation story finally becoming what they always dreamt of when they when they left ukraine chased onto the boat. No doubt by cossacks You know three generations later. I was complete. Not journey and to standing room told me to send that room in the southern tip of manhattan in the courtroom with one hundred and sixty two individuals from forty two nations around the world and you look left and right and these individuals. I all. I'd them with survivor. A couple of thrashings from teachers and then late night. Beatings in chip shops. After the pubs had closed this individuals who escaped civil war famine trek to cross arduous terrain and all of us have been united by the idea of america that it might life when i needed it run dmc chicago. Bears tracy chapman. Whatever i know it sounds to me. It's like say animal form is a book just about horses and pigs. It's much deeper than that. And so all of those things to make an america gave me and everybody in that room. You could see the tears the joy the dreaming. You could see that. America would give the day or if america had given us courage strength. Joy a sense of possibility that could be another will to the one that we lived in and so that was an incredible. That was an incredible moment and the time. The president's headshot was hanging over the judge and the judge. The judge who swore us in delude in his speech said everybody not. Everybody fills about new immigrants as as day was we in this room and i came out of the courtroom and tweeted a photograph of myself. This is why. I wanted to write this book about a love. A nuance love of america. I came out and tweeted a photo of myself for the naturalization certificate and it was the base joyous day of my life and immediately i must say the majority of people julius just welcoming just elated. Is it true joy in you. Americans arriving but was a strain in social media. Who who said you know. Good roger. you've done it. The legal way and started to kind of make a political point of the whole thing and it devastated the date for me because i realized just because i'm white i'm funny and on television. They just project the one of the good ones but the truth is i am a legally who came to this country with With big dreams. New plant new maly hospital hustle and it was it was really devastating the in that movement the dot. That fight broke cow on social media. And so i wanted to tell the story. Could i think the the the story is important and then even more so tell me that. Did i decided to write the book and then obviously did nothing about it. But then lockdown began live in new york city. New york city was the ground zero with the pandemic sports shutdown. Sports is how i make sense of the life. It's the drum. It's a human theater that animates give structure to my life and say nature booze vacuum and i Started a write the book and the pandemic response Gist segue into the black lives matter. Some of the academic the pay just Just the just the menstrual true of that period of time and then into the toxicity of the election. So he called and i did. I did mike god. Is this the ultimate curse of raj. I have stumbled into and then the second thought. Tell me is who the hell. If singers bought up this election who the hell is going to war war. Read a about love of america. Like am i gonna have to just plug a on newsmax. The publisher's going to be like good news. We got someone's blood your book bad news. It's the best ever want. He wants to attach himself so love of america so it was a it was a deeply traumatic time and through the book. I try to embrace that trump. And i think the book is a a a beautiful antidote to some of that trauma and and that in particular the scene where you become a citizen and all the people around you and applauding for each other and the diversity in the roommates just a beautiful story. It's uniquely american story And i loved it all right. So i i feel like i'm wondering by not asking you about sports for this long so the episode comes out july fifth right. What's left in the euro twenty twenty one tournament. I've been watching a lot of listeners. May be haven't what should they tune in for and then. Do you have any pitches for olympic soccer later. This summer i know are the american. Women are as bad as as bad as gets memo half as good as women we will be. We will be dominated base to the failed. So the your as is the will cut but just for european teams and they was postponed last year because of the pandemic. It's been unbelievable just to have this tool to have eleven cities across europe hostess just delicious them where the nations are taking the failed with the history taking the field alongside of so much narrative In this tournament underspin so much. So many storylines. Where 'cause the julia football is that. It's really just a mirror that reflects society's the politics the culture that surrounded so this let's just say there's a long history when when a european team failed we've been we've been very blessed that has happened the tool be the the fans there. See that i mean. There's been incredibly joyous. Storylines has been some dark storylines. Hungary and viktor orban using his team. As a essentially attempt cds is team is a symbol of of statecraft than I'm black ship. Black shirt it separate but when this poor cast as that will we will be down to the final. One of these four could be england which is england is is just a remarkable who are been a like the new york knicks of of will football a never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. So we'll be down to the final four and then next weekend we have the the final and the joy that surrounded this tournament being played by men who have exhausted psychologically physically exhausted by the pandemic schedule of football. Over the last year they played her giddiness adrenaline Just so many they put on. The shirt sang the national anthem and they've almost reverted because they're all exhausted there all nassar and they've just played like kids on a school yard. There's been a giddy joy hilarity. It's been like the school lines like aba basketball in the one thousand nine hundred seventy s and it's been it's been. The whole continent is made memories that they will save a for generations fund. Hearing you talk about the england. Germany game on men in blazers. Your podcast and Like hearing there are some people in the uk who see the uk play germany in think about the they still have that anchor there from world war one or world war two or like real past battles. It'd be to your point like that history really does come out on the field for some thugs. I i'd never really occurred to me that that was true in in the worst possible way this tournament is going on and there's an english boom blake. I ride with team. America wanna make that clear when america in england plate you know. I am only cheering for one side. And it's whatever piers. Morgan is. And i i i am. I am absolutely on team. America but i can measure my life by one traumatic so sabotaging defeat against germany. After another some away for the darkness and for the england team the states feel so high told me because we entered this tournament as devoid nation post brexit divided in so many searing ways that manifest itself in a toxic fashion around the football especially in the run-up to the tournament when in practice games a warm-up games english fans return to watch their beloved national team for the first time. It's sixteen seventeen months and decided to do their own players when they took the knee you know the plays trying to protest racism in the gay and in society and in the run-up that was dominant storyline. The english manager hat to and he's truly emotionally intelligent. Gareth southgate usa deeply empathetic human being. He had to spend almost all of his press conferences talking about racism in the nation. He sounded more sane in doing so. I have to say then. Prime minister who by refusing to criticize the booing fans for an entire week. Just further divided the nation. And that's the joy of this tournament. Is it this young england team models if they can pull it off by pull off like it's a national question rather than just the footballing one of a new england raheem sterling jamaican englishman. Who has addressed the issue of racism in society in the most exquisite wait. He scored three of the four goals. Team of scored. He's an incredible human beings and young star. Marcus registered who spent his are taking on the british government. On the issue of child hunger. Feeding kids below. The poverty line muddled a new form of sports sports leadership and we always mop football players. They make piles of cash. They just want a drink champagne supermodels and they crush lamborghinis until lamposts. This team contain the seeds of an exquisite england new england and and using that platform for the force of good. And that's really the battle they kasur only to me. Tell me seem to be some of the law. Saying human beings left in the country. I love it. I love it. Okay suraj my. My last question is really more of a favor. I think you're about to change my life. So i love watching the euros. I love watching world cup when it's on the olympics but i don't have a professional club and i keep saying i wanna watch more football watch precise how may i don't have a club so we will you be my my soccer sommelier and help you pick a team based off of some tasting notes. Some personality traits that. I'll share with you. Yeah it'll tell me. That's why i live. I live to surf and ultimately football is just human theater and you're about to fit your role. Let's okay so my entire sports identity is. I is derived from being from boston now. Rogers we both know like the last couple of decades has been near-constant domination cheating. There's a lot of bad shit there but my my formative years as a kid were when boston could never win a championship in football. This was the parcels drew bledsoe era. We're all still living with the scar. Tissue from the eighty-six red sox naitonal teen. Tony said made the case that he's the greatest patriots quarterback of all time. Thank can tony's and okay so that's my sports that's the regional part. I'm a democrat but obviously a glutton for punishment didn't know that about you tell me i live in los angeles now so i'm soft. I don't like the cold. i'm pampered. Winey i struggle with time zones so the things we got to factor in there some favorite players growing up. I'd ray bork. With paul pierce. Manny ramirez nomar. So i i don't know that i i give you enough. What do we think what what i need to tell me. Ultimately what you like in life july winning to delight the red sox pats when they give you endless dreams and then self sabotage and they told us that life ultimately is about endless. Hope than when you do have a multitude of joy. You just dances if you're at your own kids wedding because you know life is dark and really. It's about savoring great times when you have the or do you prefer the will domination days when you could say look down on the soul from the mountain. Just say yeah we cheap. Let's winning ultimately is all it matters. Where are you on that factor. Because that's ultimately the issue. I i'm not gonna lie. I i kind of missed the pre two thousand four red sox vibe when we were you know the lovable losers. I remember watching aaron boone. Just smash a ball into the stands and walking by another bars. I went to my car and hearing new york new york being played on the piano. I like the pain. Tell me tell me. By the way i relate to iced. I'd love traveling. America's one of the joys of my job is and i've missed it so much over the post. Seventeen months i loved. Charlotte's fail of nashville ullevaal bills. And i used to love when i first came here to boston in the late. Nineties gonna fenway park and just sitting and it reminded me of home. It reminded me of liverpool. Just the just the sadness of the fans the shouted shattered bereft Add and just but just the eternal attend look at willing to go again willing to be constantly. Charlie brown lucy was holding. I'm gonna tell you. tell me. welcome welcome this. Is life changing. Welcome to everton football club. It's yes it's just it's a family it's community. It's a club that does everything off the failed. So joyously lame vest and community social programming they can about the fan base they just. It's such an authentic exquisite club We eternally a desperate to return to former glory of the nineteen eighties. We we find. We've found that. Just say we lost in the woods without bread crumbs to help find a way out. And the occasional moments the occasional moments of glory. They fail all the sweeter. And that i've made is one of my life achievement. Today ultimately migrate achievement is becoming america. And i do hate that in six generations time. My mbc headshot justice above my descendants dinner table. And someone will say who the hell's bull person and they'll say oh. We don't remember his name anymore. He's the one that brought us to america. That is a that is the greatest achievement of my life but the other achievement is to me. I have four kids. And i've made the more evident fans like it's hard work. It's written because americans like winning and evident do that a lot but my wife said why the hell would you do this way. The why now she's gonna say why did you make me. What do you make sweet detail. Make and everton fan and that we believe. It's an approach to life. Life is hard life is. There's a lot of disappointments a lot of challenges but when those movements of one to come told me when these movements just dance just save them just made. A whole point is sports. Make collective memories together and now you and make tell me we are going to make them together. Well now you've got five kids. Thank you the book. The book is reborn in the usa. I literally picked it up. As i told you via the only reason i put it down was because i actually went to a baseball game. It's such a fun read. It will make you feel better about the country. You'll laugh your ass off and let the fun stories I can't recommend it enough. So roger bennett. Wonderful to have you on the show have a great fourth of july. Everything seemed to ye. Beautiful manteaux make and to all of you put save america and europe courage. We're doing the altro. This is it. All of us are still here. Love it ira jason. Hello can i tell you. What my My runners up were that. I didn't get to say yes. They were fight the power because cecchi came under leave. It can't good one They were the times they are changing. By bob dylan specifically because it is a song in which the waters rising is a metaphor and now the waters are actually rising and still nothing changes and now. Hey that's it. those are my alternate goal to. I didn't get to my my copeland theme man. My alz were were rump shaker by rex effects and and philadelphia freedom by elton. John so i like i like that. Any al-tirah evidence white american Also you know. I also had Did it autumn. Ooh by nicki. Because i'm a bar before. I'm in america like that I dixie chicks not ready to make nice good protest song lord. Royals royals is not in our blood. But we're happy to be ruler. I thought that was a very american sentiment. Jason isabelle the tv. It's about infrastructure projects with a very hot right now Simon and garfunkel america. A moon rose over an open field. Who has no one picked the pod. Save america that's true. Nintendo music a childish gambino this america simon and garfunkel america. One of our great pop songs that doesn't rhyme. It doesn't happen often but that one does it I will always I will always love the katy. Perry song roar the fact that in the song. She rhymes the word fire with the word. Fire it's That will always bother me. You can't run the same words. It hurts our brains read. It does see. That's why you're not a barb love. I love nicki menaj rhyming. China twelve times in one verse okay. We're different people. That's something that's okay. Yeah right that's american too isn't it. I thought yeah it is it is we learned something about america ourselves in the trio. So thank you all again. Talk to you next week. Hot america is crooked media production. The executive producer is michael martinez. Our senior producer is slavia. Causes are associate producers are jazzy marine and the libyan martinez. It's mixed and edited by andrew. Chadwick kyle said one is our sound engineer. Thanks to tiny so many katie long. Roman papa dmitriev. Carolina reston and justin how production support into our digital team elisha cone. Phoebe bradford kim yale free and normal conan filmed and share our episodes videos every week. 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Boomers for Biden
"The. Welcome to the lid from meet the press. I'm Kerry Dan. We talk a lot on this podcast about different groups voters, right? Black. Voters Latinos, young. People. Evangelical. We talked about Catholics weeks ago. One group though that isn't often the focus of think pieces and slick graphical analysis with Nancy Charts is well older people. which really isn't fair right because they vote and they vote reliably in midterms end in presidential races and older voters have issues they really care about are passionate about that are unique to them, and in the past older voters have tended to be a little bit more conservative than their younger counterparts but this year that could be changing. The data we're going to look at today is a RPG. Yes. Yes. The group that you make jokes about when you start getting mail from them because it makes you feel old but hey, I know I am rapidly ageing during the pandemic so we can all relate a little bit right. So Aarp pulled voters over sixty five in a bunch of battleground states and they found Biden leading trump with those older voters in Colorado Iowa Maine Michigan Montana North Carolina and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Trump leads in Georgia among those older voters and the posters also found the two candidates about tied in. Florida and Arizona two states. I will note with really big retirement communities. Now that's a big deal because trump one senior voters by about eight points nationally four years ago. Now, he seems to be getting beaten in a lot of national polling by a man who liked donald trump is a septuagenarian. Now both candidates are attuned to the concerns of these older voters who did I mention they vote? The AARP, found that these older voters care a lot about social security and Medicare and that is certainly starting to feature in both candidates TV ads. President trump is protecting social security and Medicare lowering costs expanding access keeping his word. Farm your president, WE'RE GONNA protect Social Security and Medicare. You have my word and AARP found that those two issues social security and Medicare transcend partisan lines among older voters which makes sense. If you're retired, you're probably pretty darned dependent on those things staying in places they are. But there are also sort of these other atmospherics here. That are really difficult to pull but have certainly gotten attention from partisans on both sides who have been looking specifically at Biden's numbers with older voters much of the Republican strategy about framing Joe Biden's candidacy has been about questioning his mental and physical acuity to do the job. There's also been a lot of not so subtle ridiculing Biden for limiting his campaign events due to corona virus, which disproportionately affects older voters who by the way might be very unhappy with the fact that the corona virus has probably kept them from seeing their loved once much like or who boy, maybe seeing the grandkids as much as they might like during the. It's really hard to tell from just these numbers exactly. How much those kind of factors may be a part of why Biden certainly seems to be doing better with older voters than Hillary Clinton did in two thousand sixteen or even Obama did in two, thousand, twelve or two, thousand, eight. But outside of those key policy issues, it is also probably worth both of these candidates learning lesson that many of us learn early in life. Especially, if you're from a family with a lot of strong women, it never ever mess with grandma. That's for us. If you'd like to hear more of this free audio briefing, you can always download on your favorite podcast. APP. Hey everyone. It's Chris as know these days i. find it helpful to just take a step back from the day-to-day onslaught of news and take a broader look. The issues I haven't had time to cover a my TV show all in everything from the legacy of racism in America to how community and creativity can flourish amidst a pandemic to how Democrats could win and deep. Red America. I. Do each week on my podcast. Wise is happening and I'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Nicole Hannah Jones progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred years the black people. Being in this country type remarking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author Rebecca. Solnit how do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways crooked media's Jon favreau it's going to be the highest election in history, which means that it is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our girl I really enjoy our conversations. I. Hope You will too. So join me for new episodes. Every Tuesday just search for wisest happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribed.
Biden leads Trump by 9 points in Pennsylvania
"Wonder he's latest miniseries. Bunga Bunga hosted by Comedian Whitney Cummings tells the unbelievable true story of how billionaire playboy turned politician Silvio. Berlusconi hypnotized Italy for almost two decades in the nineteen ninety Silvio had had enough of the government's rules and regulations. So he decided to run for prime minister. You can't beat the law change the law, and thus his legacy would become an explosive tale of what happens when private business interests and political interests compete head to head for his entire political career. Silvio spewed lies and propaganda to what was true and what was opinion was a matter of opinion. And while everyone was distracted, he used his mafia ties to blackmail government officials and rewrote the laws to protect and enrich himself until two words brought his entire empire crashing down. Bunga. Bunga subscribe to Bunga Bunga on. Apple. PODCASTS or you can listen early and ad free by joining wonder plus the wondering. APP. Look to the live from meet the press I'm Carrie the. So yesterday we told you about our brand new poll in Florida, which showed a race that was neck and neck between Donald, trump and Joe Biden and this morning folks we got ourselves another swing state poll from NBC News in Marist and it's Pennsylvania okay to start worth noting these are both states for in Pennsylvania the Donald trump just barely won in two thousand sixteen both by about a percentage point Florida a little more Pennsylvania little s So is Pennsylvania like Florida looking like a nail biter right now. According to our numbers, which you know caveats, it's a snapshot in time, etc etc. Pennsylvania not so much L. Biter. Biden actually has a significant lead there right now in our new poll by about nine points. So you might be asking yourself what gets how can the same pollster in the same week? Find a nine point difference in two states where the Republican and Democratic margins for years ago were pretty much the same. The answer may lie in both states suburbs I'm going to tell you a number. Okay. Eight. That's how many points Donald Trump won the suburbs by in Vania in two thousand, sixteen according to exit polls he won them by eight. Okay. Remembering that. Here's number number two. Nineteen. That's Biden's lead in Pennsylvania suburbs according to our latest poll eight minus nineteen carry the one. That's a flip of close to thirty points in Pennsylvania's suburbs in Biden's direction. Now the trend line is the same in Florida but I will note it's not quite as dramatic trump won Florida suburbs by about ten points for years ago. Now, by means by six, simply put the reason for this. Maybe this the suburbs of say, Miami just don't look that much like the suburbs of Philadelphia and it's just because of the difference in the prevalence of palm trees and flip. Flops. And a reason for that may have to do with the demographics of both states. which, of course, show up in the suburbs of each state's big cities because the stereotype of suburbs in your head maybe that sort of leave it to beaver mini, Van Betty Draper, you pick your TV, all white sixties suburb. The truth is that that view is very much out of date and suburbs now are very very. Diverse. One place where Biden is doing better than Hillary, Clinton did in two thousand sixteen is with white voters. Well, Pennsylvania is significantly wider than Florida. One place where Biden is underperforming contin with Latinos, and of course, Florida is significantly more Latino than Pennsylvania and by significantly more I mean three times as much at least when it comes to the share of the two thousand, sixteen electorate. So they have it a tale of two states and two electorates although speaking of it's very rainy and gray here in my corner of the electorate in flip flops palm trees to sound pretty appealing right now. That's it for us. If you'd like to hear more of this free audio briefing, you can always download us on your favorite podcast APP. Hey everyone it's Chris as you know these days I find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader look. The issues I haven't had time to cover my TV show all in everything from the legacy of racism in America to how community in creativity can flourish amidst a pandemic to Democrats could win and deep red. America I do each week on my podcast. Wise is happening and I'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like, Pulitzer. Prize winning reporter Nicole Hannah Jones progress does not mean justice or equality or that we are right after four hundred years of black people. Being in this country, the Thai remarking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author Rebecca Solnit how do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically with each other in ordinary ways crooked media's Jon favreau it's going to be the highest turn election history, which means that it is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our world I really enjoy our conversations I. Hope you will so join me for new episodes. Every Tuesday just search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe.
June 11, 2019
"Good morning. I'm Anna Palmer and welcome to your politico playbook audio briefing, stay tuned, after the show for a message from pharma, and I'm Jay Sherman, what we learned yesterday's that any hearing about Bob Muller and obstruction is going to turn into a partisan food, fight and war between Republicans and Democrats Republicans tried to discredit John dean as a money hungry fame seeking crook. The top of Monday's hearing. Didn't even get aired on live TV, because the helicopter crash in New York, unless President Donald Trump allows some of his associates to testify, it's going to be very tough for these hearings to break through Jon Favreau, the former Obama speechwriter turned podcast superstar said this impeachment hearings, or the only way to ensure television coverage of Trump investigations. It's the only way to take the microphone away from Trump. If you're still against it fine, but don't expect regular hearings to come in the same kind of media attention. Meanwhile, the New York Times is columnist Jimmy buoy wrote that speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer are playing too nice Andrews. Areo Heather kale, and John Bresnahan have a piece up on Pelosi. And how traditionally chairman Jerry Nadler's strained alliance with their divide over impeachment strategy. Joe Biden spoke to a room of Washington donors and some lobbyists last night. He pushed back on criticism against him for not going to Iowa. Biden said by granddaughter was graduating it was my daughter's birthday. I would skip inauguration for that. According to White House polar Alexa, mcammond Biden also continued to tax, the middle saying that once Trump is gone things are going to change. Because Republicans no, this isn't what they are supposed to be doing. I was split screen today. Trump and Biden will be campaigning in the same state for the first time in the twenty twenty cycle, Trump will be in council bluffs for an official visit to NFL plant, followed by a Republican dinner in west Moines. We got a sneak peek of Biden's remarks. He'll talk about how farmers have been crushed by Trump's tariff war with China, New York Times has a piece up about how Trump is not engaged with aids. And what his second term agenda would look like or shown any interest in for. Mutating a new message for twenty twenty Nancy cook reports that another Ownby Stafford this time Bradley Bishop is joining the west wing, he will do capital outreach for the White House, calms shop. His rival brings the total number of former Mick Mulvaney. Aides who've joined the White House since January two eleven people, and increases the acting chief of staff footprint and has number of loyalists inside the comms. Shop is known confirmed that Justin mosh has quit though house freedom caucus. And Sarah Farris, Heather Cadle and Laura baron Lopez scoop that the House Democrats have pulled a Bill to raise congressional pay after more than a dozen Democrats had pushed to freeze pay. The decision follows internal fighting between house GOP leaders in the in our see see this effort to get a pay raise could be one of the most ham handed episodes in the last few months, DNR attacked Democrats for seeking it. Even though Kevin McCarthy and Steve squeeze who both live off their congressional salaries supported the bump. Meanwhile, democratic proponents of the increase were unable to build a coalition to raise lawmaker pay or explain internally why they believed it was necessary. Here's it's on tap for Trump's Thursday. The president will leave the White House at twelve fifteen in route to Iowa. He'll toured the southwest Iowa renewable energy facility at two forty five he'll give speech on renewed bullet at three twenty he'll then leave for demoain, the president will give a speech at six thirty at the Republican party of I was annual dinner afterwards overturn to Washington subscribed to playbook and politico dot com slash playbook. There are wrong and write prescriptions for changing Medicare seniors aid Washington to focus on the right ones, cutting costs for everyone except seniors and limiting access to lifesaving medicines are the wrong prescription making changes that help seniors pay less out of pocket is the right prescription more at prescription for Medicare dot org.
Today's American Dream with Jos Daz-Balart: Lele Pons
"Wonder. He's latest miniseries. Bunga Bunga hosted by Comedian Whitney Cummings tells the unbelievable true story of how billionaire playboy turned politician Silvio. Berlusconi hypnotized Italy for almost two decades in the nineteen ninety Silvio had had enough of the government's rules and regulations. So he decided to run for prime minister. You can't beat the law change the law, and thus his legacy would become an explosive tale of what happens when private business interests and political interests compete head to head for his entire political career, Silvio spewed lies and propaganda to what was true and what was opinion was a matter of opinion. And while everyone was distracted, he used his mafia ties to blackmail government officials and rewrote the laws to protect and enrich himself until two words brought his entire empire crashing down. Bonga Bonga subscribe to Bunga Bunga on Apple podcasts or you can listen early and ad free by joining wonder plus the wondering App tell me. What does the American Dream Mean to you think it means opportunity and freedom. I am so pleased insult happy to be with Lily Pons. then. It's great to see you. Thank you great cu to when you were sixteen you. Really kind of FAO vine when you were high school. And then you ended up this phenomenon, I mean the first to reach billion loops on vine. From there he just kind of. Shot up into our consciousness and and now. Forty two million followers on instagram seventeen million followers on youtube it came like supernatural. Can because it was something that I was doing fun and then it became like Work I went to a Berkeley Berkeley and Boston. School. I. Went there. As a summer program and that was before I did mine. So I had my whole life planned out. So to have vine come in the way, my mom was just like what is this odd but my dad was like, what does this up I don't know but it's working and I like what I'm doing in you know and then it became a business and I turned it into Lego Sam mini empire like know I went from buying the new to grab. And you early on when you were a Really you're laughing at yourself. Term. You are eminently successful. Through these. APPS, I. Mean. This is your you make a very good living out of outright. But in the beginning, I didn't know that this was possible. PODCAST coming up yes. I'm really excited for that. I get to anonymous callers and people come to me and tell me their secrets. In that in his Documentary you just. Executive produced. On Youtube to secret life of Mitochondria you talks such honesty in such. Strength about living with OCD Herat's depression and those are things that have really been with you pretty much all your life and it's It's a constant. Issue you. Know it is and it's something that. We're not GONNA see. It's something that I thought it was time for me to show that little thing that no one was seeing because I owe it to a lot of fans of mine because they also share their life and their stories and I never got to share it like my sight is always like perfect filter is and in videos in pictures but like I wanted to show them unfiltered saying. Also like how important it is to take care of your mental health. And you say. If, your parents tell you to. To deal with issues even though you think okay I've got it. I'm fine. You need to do something. Yeah. Yeah. I I've many times I was like, no I don't I think told I'm good I'm. Good how do you do it? When you've got know in your documentary was seeing how sometimes he just? It's difficult to continue on with out for example, tick or or repeating issues over and over again how do you walk onto you know? Awards at. How do you -CCOMPLISH? So I would I do I do a wiggle break before anything I do before I walk into a red carpet touching i. let it all out. I let her lie squeamish. Do Everything and then I put my I've learned how to do that. You know I've learned for nine years how to do that, and then the because like red carpets. Shows are just an hour and the rest of the day I do everything else you know but in an hour I'm Holding together. You know I drink my medicine. So it just helps me. Manage better. But when I'm alone, that's when it's mostly life I started doing a lotta like my rituals. Would you tell a kid? that. is dealing with mental health issues. I would tell them that they are not alone that your mental health does not define new. You're better than that and then go to therapy try to understand your will you have the tournament while you have and to read about what you're dealing with is going to help you understand that it's not you there's something in your brain that's telling you to do stuff in and You are not your mental health you left had five You've always. Kept Venezuela in your heart, right? Yeah. Yeah because people are like, oh, she's meal she she was she grew up here basically. So she's not. I mean. I, came here because of because my family was kidnapped you know I didn't want to come to America I was five. I was very happy with where I was with my family but you know once you have once you go through in I went to a hard thomas will like my family and we came here you have to adapt you know and thank God I'm so grateful that my mom And my dad has never have never liked stopped teaching the everything above ORLA. And they always say be proud of where you come from you this this issue pictures everything because they knew it was gonna happen you know and I was very young and but I'd still do remember because I would go back and forth though that that will always be my heart. What are you proudest about being? What proudest about. I feel like we're the best adopters. Music you know music. Movies. Food fashion everything is just like we really do conquer the world somehow we're there and. We're. Even. The Best I don't know I just think that being the just like a cool club but thank God I was born in it's just the attitude attitude Khuda like how fresh you are one of the things that I so enjoyed seeing you. For the Venezuela aid. Concert. Held there when the Colombia Venezuela border and you went and you went with your dad and your team. And I was so proud of you. When in the moment that you had to be up there and the pressure must have been like. A. Megan that you talked about freedom. You it was hard for me. You know because I told. So out of place when I went there because I had that opportunity of freedom when I was five. When everybody didn't and I felt kind of like, wow, like I'm so privileged. Like. I kinda guilty. You know like who am I to talk to people about anything? So I was just like well, this is all I can say is that But one charter we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA fight for everybody to have this freedom towing it. What does the American Dream Mean to you think it means opportunity and freedom. It's just open doors I think that's American. James Doors do what you WanNa do and there's ways to do it. There's as I said opportunities to do I think the American. Dream. Thank you. It's been wonderful to speak with you and I wish you all the best. Thank you. Hey everyone. It's Chris. As you know these days I find it helpful to just take a step back from the day to day onslaught of news and take a broader look at the issues. I haven't had time to cover on my TV show all in everything from the legacy of racism in America to how community and creativity can flourish amidst a pandemic to how Democrats could win and Deep Red America I do each week on my podcast wise is happening and I'm joined by uniquely qualified guests like Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Nicole Hannah Jones progress does not mean justice or. Equality or that we are right after four hundred years of black people being in this country the time for marking incremental progress in patting ourselves on the back for that has been long over author Rebecca Solnit. How do we take care of each other in the context of not being able to physically be with each other in ordinary ways crooked media's Jon favreau the highest turnout election history, which means that it is a persuasion game and many others who helped me make sense of what's happening in our society and our girl I, really enjoy our conversations I. Hope you will. Join me for new episodes. Every Tuesday just search for wise is happening wherever you're listening right now and subscribe.
11 Trivia Questions on Gambling
"Are you all in because I've got eleven questions for you on gambling related trivia? Let's see how many of these you. Now, this is trivia with butts. It be and welcome to another episode of the trivia with buds podcast. I'm your host. Ryan buds. Thanks for checking out this show. If you like pop culture trivia, you are in the right place, and you should hit subscribe on your device to get new episodes sent to it every single day. I'm a treaty host in southern California. If your brand new as well, and you can find out more about playing trivia with me by going to my website trivia with buds dot com. My friend Susanna all the way from the east coast. I believe is on her way this weekend to go play in the big geek ball sponsored by geeks who drink in Las Vegas, and with Las Vegas on my mind. I thought let's do an episode on gambling trivia, do, you know, terms and games and bets in names. We're going over eleven questions on gambling related stuff in just a bit. But more and they eat bowl. I did not know too much about the boy, I think I'd heard of it once before and Susanna was kind enough to say, hey, you wanna play on our team? It was a little minute minutes. I'm not going to be able to make it. But I'm going to definitely try and. Go next year because it sounds like a cool fine networking social trivia lovers opportunity. And I don't wanna miss out on that. So if you're going, and you listen to this show, let me now and look for Susanna she'll be on the team that hopefully wins this whole thing. Although she did say that Ken Jennings plays in this because it's for charity, and I can't imagine being at the table Mexican Jennings feeling confident about any of my answers. When such legendary jeopardy champion is sitting so close, but we'll see how they do. They said they finished. I think thirty fifth last year. So we'll have a nice report from her and her team, and I will hear all about how the geek bowl went. That's this Saturday if you want to try and get a last minute ticket, I guess just search like geek bowl Las Vegas again. I don't know too much about it. But it sounds like it's going to be a hoot and a holler. If you like trivia, go check it out today's episode like I said all about gambling. I will be headed to Las Vegas for a wedding in June, my friend, Andy ties that'll be a good time and can't wait to go. And. Play some roulette. I know the odds aren't good. But that's what I like to play. That's what I usually went on. If I win at all in my wife will win on a slot machine here and there and hopefully together we can make few bucks, which is never the case. Never strong way to go into Vegas where you're like. Oh, I think we'll just make a few bucks usually that doesn't happen. But if you've ever one huge money on a game show or you've won big money in Vegas. I would love to hear about it. I love to hear about people who have one and what they did with the money. I always that's interesting had a guy on a couple of weeks ago. Quick interview from place called telco brewery in Santa Clarita, and he said that he had won twenty thousand dollars with his mom, and we Lafortune. So that was kinda cool. It was an episode on game shows if you wanna go check out that episode and that interview with that young fella and. Yeah. Here in those profiles and love hearing what people did with that my Pilar. She won on. I think we'll fortune or some other game show back in the day. Maybe like fifteen twenty years ago. And then she started her. Screenwriting consultation business on the page dot TV if you wanna go check her out on the page dot TV with the money from the game show. So that's a really cool use of that money. And again, if you have a story like that. I love the profile you on the show. You can Email me. Ryan buds g mail dot com. All right. We're gonna jump into these eleven questions on gambling right now. Do you know these terms and games? Here. We go. Here we go with some gambling trivia question. Number one. What Japanese game uses tiny balls in its mechanical casing and work. Similarly to a slot machine in the US number one. What Japanese game uses tiny balls in its mechanical casing and works. Similarly to a slot machine in the US question. Number one gambling trivia. Question number two and deck of cards, which king faces to the right as opposed to the other three that face left number two and Decca cards, which king faces to the right as opposed to the other three that face left, number two. Question. Number three. What does the acronym? W S P stand for in Vegas, number three. What is the acronym? W S O P stand for in Vegas. Question. Number four, what game became popular during World War Two with soldiers that used army blankets as a shooting surface number four would game became popular during World War Two with soldiers that used army blankets as a shooting surface number four. Number five, what three colors are associated with the spaces on a roulette table. Number five, what three colors are associated with the spaces on roulette table. I definitely know this one it's number five. Question resists true or false. Got a fifty fifty on this one judge Judy has her own slot machine. True. False question six is there. A judge Judy slot machine. Number six. Cool issue number seven which Vegas casino has four rides on its very top number seven which Vegas casino has four rides amusement rides on its very top. Questionable. Eight gambling trivia in the movie rounders who plays someone named teddy KGB number eight in rounders who plays teddy KGB. Number nine who had a song called rambling gambling, man. Number nine who had a song called rambling gambling, man. Number nine. Question number ten who develops a gambling problem on season? Five episode ten of the Simpsons number ten who develops gambling problem on season? Five episode ten of the Simpsons. Gambling bonus question for two points. One of the first names of Jon Favreau, Vince Vaughn characters in the movie swingers one of my favorites. Number eleven for two points. One of the first names of Jon, Favreau, and Vince Vaughn characters in the film swingers. Right. Those are your questions for gambling trivia, there's seven of them. Let's see how many you got right out of eleven in just a minute. Here we go guys Vegas gambling cards roulette winning stuff who doesn't like all that. Number one. What Japanese game uses tiny balls, and it's mechanical casing and worked similarly to a slot machine. In the US that is called pachinko number one pachinko machine number one pachinko number two in a deck of cards, which king faces to the right as opposed to the other three the face left. That's the king of spades. King of spades. Number two, number three with the acronym. WS, oh peace Dan, foreign Vegas. That would be the World Series of poker. Number three. I remember when poker started to get really popular in like, oh, two three and that guy Chris moneymaker won. And I'm like come on his last name is money maker. And he won the World Series of poker. That's crazy. Number four. What game became popular during World War Two with soldiers that used army blankets has shooting surface that would be craps because those blankets were much like the felt on a craps table. And they would throw the the dice at the blankets. And they would kind of roll the same way which is. Kind of sad that it's like, here's your nice cosy blanket that feels like thin craps table number five what three colors are associated with the spaces on a roulette table. I was looking for red looking for black and looking for green number five. I always went on eight. That's my mom's birthday and my daughter's birthday. And that's the one I've won on the most eight number six true or false. Judge duty has their own slot machine. Seems like everybody has their own slot machine. These days people always send me the shark NATO show slot machine. And they say, hey, are you on this? And I'm like, no. And even if I was I'd get zero dollars, but it would be cool to be on a slot machine. That is a dream of mine. One day. I'll be on some kind of slot machine. Just like my pal judge Judy. That is true. She has her own slot machine. And she's dishing out Justice, and hopefully some coins for you to win number seven which Vegas casino has four rides on its very top. That's the stratosphere number seven stratosphere number eight in rounders who plays Kenny KGB that is. John malkovich. Likes to splash the table and eat Oreos. What a character number nine who has a song called rambling gambling, man. That's Bob Seger. Bob seger. Hollywood nights. Number ten who develops a gambling problem on season five of the Simpsons? That would be the mom Marge Marge Simpson. She has some of my favorite storylines, especially the twisted world of Marge Simpson. The pretzel episode that is great eleven Cletus comes up, and he goes, hey, I'll take me one hundred pretzels. She goes that'll be one hundred dollars. He goes. Yeah. I don't think. So he just gives you the coupons because there's no limit. I just like how he says. Nah. I don't think. So he goes. Yeah. I don't think so. And he just gives her all coupons Marge Simpson in the bonus two points. What are the first names of Jon, Favreau, and Vince Vaughn characters and Twitter's Mike and Trent Mike and Trent where their names gambling trivia? Did you take a gamble and get all of these correct? Maybe guest on a few. Maybe they were right. I would love to see your scorecards. You can send me those anytime in a tweet or message at Ryan buds on most social. Media and contact me through any of the means in the show notes every single episode. If you like the theme song to this show, check out my friend frosty f our AWS TY. He's a DJ in the LA area Brian foster aka frosty, and he's got some great stuff. You could check out. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode. If you have a topic you want me to do drop me a line or join our patriot dot com slash trivia at buds page for five dollars or more. And I'm guaranteed to do your topic sometime in the next month. Thanks for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. We'll see you tomorrow for more trivia with me jeers.
The Lion King (2019)
"Hello everybody welcome to another first round bald movie <hes> I'm Jose Ron. I'M JIM and tonight we're here to talk about. Disney's latest live action cash grab the Lion King directed by Jon Favreau and you know I never would have guessed that the man who breathed life into a multi billion dollar franchise but taking a third tier marvel property like iron man and taking passion for source material I I never thought that he you would brought that same passion to the Lion King and you know what I was right because in my opinion this is like the most of all the pointless Disney remakes this is the most pointless and the one that comes off the shabby shabby as compared to its source material Jim. What did you think and maybe talk about your personal relationship with the Lion King of any so I think the Jon Favreau had quite the passion for the source material because he just recycled it and not in like the way where you I don't know take something you have? It's old fashioned into something new. That's useful in a different way. This was the lion king like this is the most Lion King Lion King movie <hes> outside outside of the Lion King I mean the thing is is is the lion king. Only all of the animals were injected. The Boat Docks Yeah Animation <hes> that's. That's the only thing that was different about this movie in any way right. There's one hint of new song none of the plot points or any different than the lion king you remember from ninety four. It's all the same it's just a it's just a cross aboard worse version yeah and completely like you said unnecessary. I think this is like the thing I liked about. Aladdin is Kinda took it a direction and modernized it updated five the problem. The parts were little creaky and little stale where we've moved on as a society they've kind of you know propped it up and they didn't try to like out Robin Williams Robin Williams on the genie whereas this it's like. I don't understand how the animation tests came back for. These animals father wasn't like okay we gotta ditched his documentary approach and have these lions smile. Give him some fucking eyebrows house allow on the show some gene grief and rage because we know I've seen the lion king many many many many times and there's a couple of scenes where you're you're geared up to anticipate and it's exactly. The same lines exactly the same framing except for Simba's faces a grim frozen mask that is capable of showing anything other than way honestly my house cats more expressive. I that's the thing that really really surprised me and I saw a listen problems with that in like some of the trailers I saw but like I don't know I mean it's this isn't a bad film in fact honestly the first five minutes. I actually started thinking well. Maybe I'm wrong because it gave me the exact same goosebumps that intro of the Classic Lion King Circle Life Yeah <hes> but even then it's like there's a couple of parts or like you know like there's a couple of things that you you know you can do in animation like when you blink and step forward and sun you can have a baby draft. Blankets is in this. I mean if they did that with his baby. Draft who the fuck knows because baby drafts don't blink in the sun it turns out it's almost it felt like one of those Old Walt Disney movies like <hes> <hes> what is the journey home or whatever where the actually take a real poppy in a real cat kitten and or they have like little bound very tightly homered ban yeah they make a movie around around like their natural expressions and stuff <hes> but there's just I don't know I mean I didn't really pay any attention to the casting like I didn't know anybody <hes> and there's <hes> great great cat like you know the Simba Nala Donald Glover beyond say knowles stats a fucking dynamite combination like John Oliver as the Domo's as zoo is pretty inspired casting the return of James Earl Jones James Jones. You can't do better than that. I thought that <hes> Billy Eichner as to Moan was really good eye Eric Andre I know seth th- Rogan is Okay Yeah Eric Andrea one of the hyenas I I mean I said it's just I mean we can talk about it the scene by scene point by point and the trailer earn the spoiler section like do I want to on this one because if you've seen the Lion King you've seen the entirety of this movie. It's just like they changed a damn thing. No they range all all the life yeah. Apparently the animators didn't get to note that the scene. Can you feel the love tonight actually takes place at night not at noon just many many references to it being evening and being nights and then it. Blend smoothly into another night scenes really pivotal and what the fuck what the fuck why are they why are they having animated these lions in broad daylight. I don't know because you can. They're more expressive in the day. I don't ever more expressive in the day. That's the only thing I think of is the other thing is speaking of that. I defy you to tell any of those lionesses apart <hes> yeah lights off in the cartoon version. There are subtle variations in color facial expression oppression. I mean they're all kind of unique individuals. At least you know the Nairobi and Nala and the ones actually have speaking roles this like they literally all look the same and when Simba's fighting scarred there's many time I lost track of WHO Simba who was scar and they found it hilarious that these battles are so bloodless. I don't know how you get a name like scar. If nothing can cut your skin I know 'cause like it'd be like it's cannon that Mu Fossa awesome fucked him up the part of his ear off and really hideously scarred him so but yeah you can't do that when <hes> although to realistic you can't do I was kind of put off by the mature subject matter. They're they're. They're saying the F. A. R._T.. Word heard they are in case. Let that slide through yeah yeah really risk and is this P._G.. I don't know it probably is it wouldn't be stupid like whatever the whatever the original was here. It's the same because it is is the same so so. Maybe I'm a little harness movie but I actually this was the very first Walt Disney animated movie I ever saw because I my mom was a religious nut job the type of religion I mean there's lots of different ways to be a religious just not job as a parent but <hes> her particular nutjob Orie was magic anything magic and I'll add in allow <hes> sleeping beauty no little rain when the fucking sea he which get Outta here those legs are mad. I remember the look my sister and I gave each other when Rafiki started doing medicine Monkey Shit and we're like Oh God and my mom's is started twitching like us a spiritism. Does a spiritism like she's please do not storm out of that we we. We begged her to take her come on the line game. There's no magic there's no warlock in this fucking monkey starts. Doing you know the the magic adjacent shit he starts doing like some kind of weird monkey and melon based divination a nation he starts doing martial arts karate at the end which is the other kind of spiritism adjacent but it was near and dear to my heart because I that's the very first and I remember just like just like being just completely amazed at the opening act. And really moved when Fossa dies and like also we had that movie I was the only Disney animated movie for a long long time that we had on V._H._S. and my brother and sister and I kind of wore it out over the course of a summer so I'd fucking love this the Super N._S.. Lion King Okay. I don't think I ever made it past the third level because it's freakishly hard but there's a lot I have a lot of affection for this source material and Dan I just to me they should have cleaned it up that those prints as shiny as they could make him they should've completely redone to sound and just re released it because this is just you know Lion King's Tinton movie. This is like six attitude execution of that movie. This is a high school musical version of the Broadway version of the Lion King. I could see that yeah. I didn't find it offensive. I found that it was in in maybe everything except for the expressive -ness of the characters was just as effective as the original was but yeah it was entirely unnecessary. This is a fairly obvious cash crap. I didn't didn't feel that way coming out of Aladdin. I know a lot of people didn't feel that way coming out of beauty and the beast and you know the the Dumbo did People Watch Dumbo. Nobody watched dumbo right everywhere. I heard it was pretty fucking shitty. Yeah I didn't see it. I didn't either her because I heard it was pretty shitty and guess what you've got Milan coming down the pike. I don't I've never seen Milan. I mean it's a fine. It's it's it's probably one of the lesser of the new golden age of Disney like it's kind of their into Pocahontas level level where it's like animation still amazing songs that nearly as catchy core concept not as solid and I've heard that they're actually a skewing the songs more or less in Milan and just like a straight like a straight drama weird. I could be wrong on that but I just. I don't know I it. It's it's not it's so cynical. I said cash grab because it's it's not it's not just a blatant redundant cash grab. It's just a pace. These does relentless Klis pace that they're that they're doing them into. I don't understand why we need. Five remakes of Disney live action Disney movies in a single year and I don't even know if it might be more than that like. I don't know if they've got. They're going to sneak something out. Pass them along before Christmas. I don't know I don't know they just cast a little mermaid. I I don't know how far that's that that's behind but who's playing Sebastian. I don't know okay. That's my biggest question about that movie. Maybe Ahmed Best Okay Yeah sure thanks Yeah Sebastian yeah he so Whoopi Whoopi in the under the sea yeah love song so I got some more stuff to say 'cause I got. I actually Kinda WanNa actually KINDA WANNA break it down so you might say because he's keep on saying that it's shot for shot for Lion King and that's my biggest problem is is that I don't think it is. I think they're I mean they try not shot but beat for beat. Story is one hundred percent every bit of the staging is is noticeably inferior and worse than than the than the the original and some of the things that like what they did to be prepared is a God damn criminal travesty. That's one of my favorite songs from the Lion King and I've never seen a more dispirited parroted punting of a musical number then than I have. I don't know Jimmy Nicholson who I considered. The foremost expert on Disney films on the Internet suggested that there's also a muted quality due to vocal performances like everything everyone's kind of like instead of like even James Earl Jones instead of just like because I remember I I can I can hear in my head exactly how he says. Nobody messes is with the year old band or I can. I can hear like they. They just didn't quite nail it and her theory is they had to have all the actor scale back because if they were as a motive as the original lion king it would look wildly out of place with the animation style and it's like the one thing that you could have gone ten for ten and let like Donald Glover and beyond say and James Will Jones uncork and actually you know she would tell Chew Hotel Jia for <hes> who I think is an amazing actor. He got the world's most laid back quiet unassuming scar and it's just a shame because he's trying to follow giant. Jeremy Irons plays one of the the all time Great Disney villain voices and it just. I don't know <hes> let's talk. Some trailers okay so a lot of cartoon trailers. We've already talked about like angry birds. I think you saw the Will Smith with a pigeon is in disguise. I saw an extended trailer for that that I hadn't seen before. I saw the frozen to trailer again. Numa lesson trailer is extended. Ended which is following through the trend of leg there are if you're a fan of the friend that if you're a fan of the franchise I think the final fifteen seconds is a massive spoiler plot reveal. I don't either. I'm saying that leg. I it feels like that. It's one of those the new trend of the trailers over now. There's a fifteen second Stinger to make sure your asses are in a seat and we're going to spoil fucking plot review I this is I don't know I'm not really interested in this this not at all I saw a trailer for abominal which is a new whoever the studio that was behind like <hes> is it dreamworks that did the always cloudy or partly cloudy with a chance of meatballs that sounds right. That's very true partly cloudy with a chance of Snowman Kinda K and it saying about a girl who befriends a Yeti and there's a bunch of Zany action <hes> I don't know didn't really grab me and then <hes> trailer for Disney's Milan on like a thousand two which I could see that being kind of cool. You know they like you. I it'd be interesting to see a vision where they just ditched musical and just tell the straightforward tale of this young girl who Joan of ARC's <unk> her way to fight for her country's freedom against the evil Mongols. I think there's a Mongols Gang. It was actually it wasn't Genghis Khan was the big O.. S. Right. You have no idea anyway. She's GonNa fight the Mongols in the patriarchy the only the only Milan I've seen as Moulin Rouge don't think they're the same yeah. Don't be expecting that Milan Milan because you'll would be that was the live action version of <hes> okay that is where we have to part ways. If you're not a club inver <hes> we save our spoiler filled reviews for our club members and you can join and get these spoiler busy reviews as well as a bevy of other features by going club bald move dot com. Please come back next week with I think it's next week right that we we see once upon a time and that sounds right Hollywood. That movie looks incredible. I cannot wait. I was really Kinda. Let them but guarantee knows last one the hateful eight yeah me too. I am this. This looks like a pretty stunning return to crazy Tarantino form. We'll see we will see we'll be back there for next week. 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