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Hour 2: Jon 'Bones' Jones

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Hour 2: Jon 'Bones' Jones

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Well clearly Dak Prescott has proven what he is over these four seasons and we talk about the fact that the cowboys had the collapse didn't make the playoffs. We can go into that but when you look at what. This guy's numbers are when you look at what they have done in terms of postseason in terms of success. They've had hat. I think it's clearly disrespectful that he has not been taken care of and we can talk all we want to talk about. Well what does he bought. What representatives looking for? But they're they're they're probably attack him and when you have someone who's accomplished what he has it simply not a good look and I think that people around the cowboys do need to be concerned about what's going to happen if they do tag them in this link but let me ask you something about that because my football analysis is different like I just think Garoppolo didn't get a huge huge guarantee. I'm sure is going to turn down what they offer Garoppolo. I'm not sure Adak has shown more than seventy seventy two million guaranteed one hundred thirty seven. But it's not going to bring it's not going to set the market. Get something I think. Dominic Foxworth either Roeder said about James. Winston caught my attention a couple of weeks ago that we're at the point now where art as a black man he can feel okay not having to root for Jameis Winston to be able to call it. What it is you know? It's all right. So that's what Dak Prescott it makes me feel like I feel like we're at the point now where he doesn't need to be defended. Give him a bad contracts or anything like that. So what's your feeling about that where you know. I'm I'm a little reluctant because that worked for them the NFL. So I'm not going to get in there and I'm mostly the date on that. I mean I got my own take on it but it's I don't think I should should cause you work for the WASA rescues. We don't need you found. Keep your molly let me let me. Let me put it in Dan. Jason feel free to comment office. I want us to be very very careful. I like Jerry Jones. I like him a lot and I like Steven Jones. And there's an awful awful lot of black players. They have paid of course so let's be very very clear about it when we bring up race. What does Dak Prescott situation in? The Dallas Cup was to be fair edited Jones's in that regard and you have a plethora of black plays who used to play for Jerry Jones who swear by this main in terms of what he's done for them Yup having said that he if Jerry Jones watching. Here's what I would say to Jerry Jones that he asked to be careful because it's undeniable there. There isn't a soul alive. That believes if Tony Romo was still playing and had done exactly what Dak Prescott was doing that we wouldn't. It'd have this trouble getting Tony. Romo a long term accommodate. And that's what Jerry if it wasn't for the relationship if he was dog it and is pragmatic and straight line as he would Tony Role Moult as he was with that Prescott from personal perspective. It would be different Africa and Mali. which has I think is a bad look? Just what Stephen said about the Tony. Romo thing there is no question in my mind. I can't prove this okay. There's no can prove the sitting here but there's no question in my mind that have Tony. Romo was what we were talking about at that age with his accomplishments the career arc to that point. There's no question he would have been signed in. Writing cannot take this in a different direction. Question another question when we talk about the black quarterback particularly the state that is right now because one could argue the top. MVP Kennedy's World Black quarterbacks Yellow Jacket Patrick Mahomes. You had to Shawn Watson at one point an obviously Russell Wilson in Seattle. So that's a tremendous accomplishment. A matter of fact there were owners with the whole Jay Z.. Colin cabinet thing that went on their own his use that as an excuse to say. We don't need Kala capital because look at this black quarterback now but you know would it has me thinking about you know what we as thinking about. We talk about that. I'll be making a mistake by focusing on that win. Clearly we've elevated ourselves beyond beyond that subject and not use it as an excuse to get into the paucity of black general managers in the National Football League Push Yours. Yeah I'M A. I'm a stickler for that. I you know when you look at Chris. Grill Diane Miami. I mean he the only guy that stands out all news retired tired. I think it's high Cleveland. Just hide very. I think it's unfortunate because what I've learned by being executive role at at the team with the players the players respect a guy who has done it been around and somebody that looked like them that is in that position and I don't think mouth mouth pain. I don't think all the owners really look at it that way. And it's unfortunate that they don't give a lot more african-american opportunity to be in that same. Do you think they don't look at it that way. What is your belief? My thing being real we all aw creatures of our own society and we usually hang around the people that we grew up with and who we. We don't mind going to dinner with. Don't mind inviting to my house. I don't mind going on vacation with and basically you know you wanna be in a situation. Where when you away somewhere you sitting around on the Vita on the golf course is somebody who think like you in a way and maybe putting the same culture I think? That's that's basically what the I think. It would put very well that that basically sums it up. I noticed something that you've talked about. You all talk about a lot here and we're at a point in this league right now. It's just simply not not good enough. What's going on with diversity in terms of the front offices in terms on the field and it's really not a Roger Goodell problem? I truly believe this. I believe it's a problem with the people above Roger Goodell and until they change. We're not GONNA see above meeting the owners yes. The undefeated was originally going to be titled Twice as hard which I yeah. I think it's a great name because of the Depression. You twice as hard. If you're black to get anything you have to be twice as good this. I think it applies here. I think the idea that you have such few executives and and coaches that are black is because they have to be twice as good because they don't get put in the old boys network. Because when you bring up Ozzie newsome awesome. You have to bring up one of the best to ever did it in order that he could retire of his own volition. When it's time it's like why did he take Lamar Jackson Right? Why was he also? He also African America so many pass but like Jerry. Reese made a mistake when he played when he played a quarterback who just wasn't very good so the giants would finally start a black that quarterback. Right but Ozzie. newsome actually to the guy that reminds me of the Chris Rock Line. We're not the neighborhood he lives in. He lives next to a dentist white and he said give for a black man. Had to live in my neighborhood. If you were a dentist he would've had to invent teeth right like you have to. You have to do something extraordinary to get to the same place and I think that describes. Let's let's be honest. Why you see so few African American coaches in the APPS but well let me say this though when we look at the League as a whole think about all the recycles though? I mean guys get recycled but very few black guys get recycled. That doesn't happen. I mean whether they win lose Lou they get a chance to go somewhere else to get that same opportunity. Do you believe when you talk about guys respecting backdate. People who have been there have done it etc is it possible that there's a level of validity to an owner's I believe that because you've cultivated. This relationship were plays. We don't know of. We could trust you to bring the heavy hammer down because your personal relate. Even though they're guilty of it every day they might use it as an excuse to Hindi you from Sir positions because they take those relationships cultivated. My interfere with your business acumen. Is that possible. I don't know about other people. Personally I've been in position and a Lotta guys on his football team. I talked to all the time and when I talked to him I saw real. Tom And I talked about the opportunity that they have. And don't squander it and if the opportunity they wouldn't get if they do I think that's the most important thing I think most guys if you put him in that position especially Bernarda guys looking at these young black guys. I don't tell them what's best for him and not look at it from the standpoint of You know this what you ought to do what they don't tell them what they should do. In order to stay with their franchise. Yeah that's what I do. Three or four guys on his team that I talked to all the time you know. There's been some situations that they can go wrong again. And trying gotta keep giving it a positive fee to hate me. Don't do that. Let's keep this thing going. Thank you get more guys like myself in this league that would happen all right we will leave it on that note. Thank you so much for being here. And both of you obviously being pioneers and and the major voice in this discussion still giants fan go fish and also in honour black history month. We're giving away five copies of the book. Please look at the fierce. I forty four. It's a biography that presents forty four of America's greatest movers and shakers. From Frederick Douglass. 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In a match up of young stars Jaanus Lettuce Bucks to a win over Rookie Phenom uh-huh Zion Williamson and the Pelicans Zion delivered respectable twenty point effort but struggled from the field with a five for nineteen effort. Max what seen so far. Do you think the Pelicans can win. Title Having Zion as their number one you know like when he came out the whole question was a guy that height of that is he like Charles Barkley as you like Blake Griffin. Can you win an NBA title with a non Rim defending at least in terms of his height non back to the basket. Ask Power forward type as your best player really hasn't been done before the power forward to wonder. Tim Duncan who could play the four five Dirk Nowitzki who had one freaky year surrounded by shoes. And he's a freakish seven foot shooter but otherwise guys like Barkley and obviously I'm not putting Blake in the same category as Barkley but they can't be the best player on a championship team doesn't seem there's just the wrong body type can't be a two way wing really can't be appoint whatever could Zion do it. I think so far from what I've seen. The answer is yes. I would not say. He's disqualified from being the best player on a championship team. He's a willing passer. He has a high basketball. IQ He can can shoot it. He's calm he's not a pure shooter but he's shown the ability to knock down shots. He's calm and he takes it to the rack or he's going to be on on the free throw line all the time by the way he can defend the rim. Just not in a traditional way. I believe what I've seen. So far is one of the better Kinda on the spectrum of what he could have been as bro. It's on the side where you're like boy. That's about as good as we could have hoped for out the gate interesting that you say that I'm not going to disagree with you. Max what I'm going to say is I'm not sure I'm just going to confess openly. Tell you that I'm not sure. Here's the reason. Why for some reason for some reason? He's reminding me Of Barclay in terms of the Era Barkley was in in other words round mound rebound power play around the basket can do some things open court etcetera. But there's always somebody else awaiting that superior and when I saw him last night it gets Janas I was thinking those trees trees and Milwaukee. They'll stand your drum out those trees in La withstanding your way that 'cause everybody go be Houston going. Small taught up late small book. You get your points you get your rebound shooting fifty percent from the free throw line. Cihan shoe you in forty four percent fifty point range. That's the set of you know why. Because he's only attempted nine three pointers on the season. He hit four all of them was in in his first game. The last six games he has not made it three point shot. I'm looking at him and I'm saying he's going to be a star. He's got star written all all over him he's got no choking ain't scared he's a man plan amongst boys in terms of this physicality he's got the skill set Powell moves to the basket could put the ball on the floor. I need him to be a little bit more ambidextrous. I need in the show. A little bit of a perimeter game. I need him to shoot better for the free throw line and oh by the way I on the Griffin and Gentry to make sure and I'm not saying they're not doing it. I'm just speaking you know. Just just just ingest. You got to put the right pieces around them and you got a coach in a fashion. If you're jittery that plays to his strength as sort of veers away from his week this great. I'm so what do you believe that if those things you're done he could win a champion his problem the best player on the death. What I'm saying that's what I don't know? See that's where I'm going. I'm saying you I know he's GonNa be Great. Please don't get me wrong. Barkley was great eight. The question I'm asking. Can they win with you. Being number one option. I'm thinking you got to be a one. Hey one I'm just thinking I don't know but that's where I'm leaning similar. You know what I mean. I think we're seventy seven games into a nineteen eighteen year. Old Guy Injury coming off an injury. I think we all agree. If he'd been playing the full season. Probably be an all star. I just WANNA see him. Continues to grow What I will say though is if you take a look at where? Yana started when he came in. And whereas I on strike zone is light years ahead of where you honest says this is an MVP only four four years into his career. So I would say that. He's definitely on the right pace. The kid loves to work. He plays hard for everything you guys mentioned but I also agree with Steven aid. The key is putting the right pieces around him. Can he be a Jordan. Pippen type that kind of counterpart Batman Robin type to win a title. I think I don't know I know what you mean. The thing I unlovable Zion is he can get twenty points without Inter Inter Inter just out in transition. Whatever cleaning up around the boards? He doesn't need to be shocked. You'll throw the ball wall into or or design your offense around drunk. He could still be the best player on the team overall. Even if you have a guy who design if more please let me come both. y'All with this another name that I can bring up. Just because of the situation he presently is Iran is an Anthony Davis. Hear me out. Obviously Anthony Davis six ten. Six eleven dislike John. This is tall in all. Forget all of that for a second you can throw the ball and Anthony Davis now. He could be your number one option now but we all know to win. The Championship. Championship has got Lebron got to Lebron. I'm saying for eighty two game regular season science. Go ahead and do your thing but come playoff the off time. Even though he's a man in that low post even though he's a man in open court because of his game itself I need somebody preferably on on the perimeter. That's just as a significant action to beat. Act Number one option when you talk. It's too early one thousand nine hundred but I'm just talking stoller play because of the way he plays. I don't know if you WanNa Championship with that obsolete. So here's number one. Here's my question for you. Do you. Pair him ideally with a big or a win a win win. I think we're moving away from biggs. In general I think it's probably one of the last if you don't want to call them a dinosaur with big bill the ball to on the block. AB obviously but the freak is I mean like a guy who's close to seven feet who defend the Rim Kinda Guy. I don't know like I said he covers a lot of space out there. You know what I mean so like. I said it's going to take some time and being a player in this league and understanding that seven games and obviously but it takes a good the three or four years to understand how to play the NBA game of basketball. He's out there all raw talent energy and effort getting twenty seven thousand nine hundred seven and nine so so you give them another two three years to get stronger more agile find his body weight and has to remember you. You really answering your question. And because think just because he wasn't when you think about how many times and I've disagreed with Max on this. But his point is valid. He has been a fixed fixated fixated on embiid and Simmons. Don't work together with right and I don't necessarily agree with that. I think you've gotta work together the better off with his own. But what. I'm saying that you you think and I got to look at the coaching before I look at whether they worked together. All I'm saying to you is this but you feel this way about Simmons because because of what embiid takes away from them so my point to you is when you just ask them at that question when you're talking about a perimeter player when you're that in today's game you go that route as opposed to a rim protector in a library. Also you can get a guy like the Lopez you can get a competent big and you don't have to make that like where you put all your reasons. You surround them with quality quality parameter placate. What I think is interesting about the Pelicans is because they had to move they gotTa Hall of Young Players All around Zion's agent? We all know this is the truth matter what anyone wants to say. The the Pelicans are on the clock they got five outside chance six seasons to win a championship. No major free agents go sign down there because in the history of the NBA. Nothing like that has ever had us. That's right that's okay that is do they have enough in terms of talent. Even if it's not these exact guys guys who could become trade pieces for do they have enough to grow grow with Zion and win a chip in the next six seasons. I think they have a lot of pieces. They're going to need to add a lot of the utilize pieces. I Love David Griffin. Though what he's come in and don't already have a good good a young solid core so I think everyone's so much we got to get it done now. We gotta get sports. They're gonNA take some time but they need pieces equipment. The only the only mistake David Griffin often is made was to quote about Lebron outside of that he's been flawless as an executive for the PELICANS. And I'm glad that Alvin Gentry. He has reminded people he could call Brandon to be the second best player. And that's yes. Yes yes he wasn't happy in La last year. He's his hand. Wouldn't be the same player still in the ball in his hand. leasable Matt thanks guys. Love talking with you score. You don't need to be shooting score. You don't think he's take his podcast. On Showtime Stephen Jackson special all were fireworks always our next guests maybe the best pound for pound fighter in the UFC twenty five wins in his career to time in current light heavyweight champion we welcome John Bones Jones back to I take John. Thank you for being in with us. Hey guys thank you so much always privileged and honored to be with you guys. Thank you thank you So you thought nearly seven months you phase dominic rise than the UFC two forty seven main event. Saturday that's on. ESPN plus you've said this fight is going to be scary. John Tell me why. What was that last scary scary? You know the whatever you fight undefeated fighter You know scary. Things can happen out there. I think it's going to be really scary for him though I am. I am so prepared for this. I'm so locked in ready to go and yeah it's GonNa be a great night. I'm I'm really hoping to finish his predict that I'm GonNa Finish despite before the championship rounds. John when I look at your career because it's still people say he's the Best I've ever seen and you're certainly on a short list in. May I think. Think of boxers like Mike Tyson. Who for a minute? There people were like he might be the best. Whoever did it when all is said and done and even as his career hit road bumps and everything he so young? You always felt like there tomorrow and Really Mike was the best. And then one day it ended and he'd had a great career but he's not considered the best of all time right when I look look at you commissioner retail. This dude is supposed to be the best to ever did it. He's still young enough to get all that done but he's gotta stay on. You gotta stay on the straight path. How do you respond to that given your age where you're perceived and what you still have to accomplish a That's a good question Max You know I really do feel like Being the best ever is always going to be an opinion. I felt like I was retired today. I could go down as one of the best martial arts fighters in sports history The way I respond to that though is is just by Just continuing to be on the path that I'm on and that's just dominating five to fight and trying to break as many records as I can't you know people ask me all the time. On this your fifteenth eighteenth will title now. What else do you really have to prove What I'm trying to prove is is is set records? That are just going to be so far away from my my competition. That by the time I retire there won't be an argument of who the best is by the way that one loss is a d q in a fight that you were winning by far. That was not a competitive fight and you got queued for what downward strikes the elbow. I think it was but at any rate really. You're looking at an orthopedic fighter. I'm interested John Knowing on how you feel about. I'm interested in knowing how you feel about where you are now. And what is it that you feel you have to prove. I know you just alluded to it. But I'm only asking that question in this regard particularly with the economy. Greg is of the world the mega meadows of the world and others. Not only did they. You don't Connor. McGregor won his last fight but but not only are they winners their box office and people look at you and it's like okay key is clearly one of the greatest ever I want to know. Do you feel any kind of pressure to be box office to win in spectacular fashion because of the direction the UFC seems to be going in for you. Just of the mindset. Walk out there with a w no matter what. Yeah you know I Look at it could be even connor. See how internationally known they they are and it inspires me for sure to try to work on my branding a little bit more outside of fighting but at the end of the day For me it's not about making the most money me. It's not about being the most famous about being the guy that people are going to talk about fifty one hundred years from now that that's that's really what gets me out of the bed in the morning and and At the end of the day no disrespect to connor. Because I love what he's doing for our sport I don't think he's going to be in conversation when people are sitting around at a barbershop shop talking about the the great martial artists in the in the world and so I'm very aware that and so I think. I think you know the the box office. Does Kim can come eventually. I'm only thirty two. But for the most part Those records those records are very hard to get. And that's what really gets me one in the morning as as a fight fan. I love hearing you say that. But you mentioned connor if someone asked me John Up Straight up. WHO's the best the pound for pound mark mixed martial arts? Do you ever seen at this moment. And I know it's still early. I'd say near Margaret Medoff based on what I've seen so far I think he's and Anderson Silva you Anderson Silva Ner Maga Metal Malia bring up. Gsp I think eventually he got to that level though the Matt Hughes fight early was a little. But but what do you think of Habib Right. Now you know I I think an amazing mazing fighter. I think he's done a great great job representing the UFC's a great ambassador for our sport But if you were to ask some experts about about myself and could be you know. I think most people would be able to tell just. Our resumes are completely different deeper. I've thought so. So many world champions under my belt defeat it could be a lot of his. Victories are against a lot of people that are relatively unknown. And where I've I've been fighting legends since I was a young man. There's no question. Ah Your resume is deeper. I don't mean who's WHO's accomplished more I'm talking about just the eyeball test. The what what do you mean by that test nor Mogomedov in a sport where it seemed early on that the one whose base is the ground game usually has an advantage versus. The Guy who's best known for striking is the best example. I can think of the guy who's ground game is ridiculous and then can also stand up right. Yeah Yeah His standup game is really is really not much the right home about. I really don't WanNA insult and I fell martial artist at the. I don't want to insult these is guys you know. I'm happy for everyone like some guys are more popular. Some some guys make more money. It's always going to be kind of an opinion thing but by the time I leave the sport you I don't think there's going to be much of an argument that you live up as John. John Assuming you live up to what you say. You're going to do this weekend and I have no reason to doubt you. There has been a lot of noise about you fighting the heavyweight level. I want to know how much credence should we give to that and more importantly why. Why do you want to do that if indeed that is what you WanNa do though some big boys up at the heavyweight division? Why do you WanNa do that? There are are some really big guys at the heavyweight division. You know. I'm very aware that you know fighting heavyweight a lot more dangerous you get hit a lot harder. I think concussions are a lot more common and You know I really liked to protect my brain as best as I can and my but I also yeah absolutely voted by also know that in order order to be to put a lot of this pom Pon or who's the greatest conversation risk arrest. I'm GonNa have to maybe obtain a second bill in a different way class. I think that Oh really set me apart from a lot of the guys. So the moves inevitable I'm only getting better as a professional. I think I might have place. I got the team around me now. That could get me to that way. Class SAFE and healthy way and I'm excited for when it does happen I see that the book good things I've been it gets my my brothers my whole life. Who are both bigger than me? Both super bowl champions and And I feel like I'm ready for that land so it'll happen sooner or later right now. I've just felt like so much. The things are happening in the light heavyweight division and they say if it's not broken don't fix it so I'm just GonNa take one day saying this Saturday night the better. It's always been that way. Those light heavyweight divisions are usually deep and then sometimes they move up and grabbed the heavyweight or vice versa but those light heavy seemed to be where where it's at John Before we let you go ahead I was gonna say I honestly feel like the light heavyweight division Even though we're not as big and we don't hit hard I feel like I feel like it is the supreme most prestigious division to To be able to conquer light-heavyweight anyway. You're you're looking at your your a lot of skill back to you know like a lot of you know we're we're guys who way normally twenty guys who can jump we could spend and we can we again. We do a lot of really amazing things heavyweights if you notice a lot of them. Just stand in Bang. They'll they'll boxers were heavyweight fighters man we are truly the most versatile while while being strong and fast and leg. It's the most dangerous way class in my opinion is big enough to knock you out but still at more athletic enough and agile enough to do some really extraordinary things. It's just it's a tough way class so in a way me moving up to heavyweight could be easier for me because I'm just used to a much faster pace fighting. John had more. I want to get to with you but we gotta let you go. You'll have to come back after you win. Do Your Business Hope Activity. How many fights John at least three five year? That's my word fair enough. We'll talk. Show guys all right. 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I also an eight eight record in still no new deal for the cowboys. quarterback did tell the Dallas Morning News that he would have thought a new deal would have been done before the season. The teams can sign into a long term deal simply franchise tag in the interview inferred that he wouldn't be working out in Dallas if the team places a tag on hand Dan. I repeat not working out in Dallas if who gets taxed. Even I'll start with you. Who's got the upper hand in the negotiations Prescott? Because I don't think you walk out every day and found a quarterback to that you can rely on that's trustworthy that's a model citizen. That's a leader that throws for nearly five thousand yards all of those things being considered but I also also think he has leverage on his side. Because you know it's incredibly disrespectful and again I'm a fan of Jerry Jones. I'm not joking around here with my cowboy eight Arizmendi. I'm dead serious Maria. I'm a fan of Jerry. Is Stephen Jones. But they should be ashamed of themselves for what they're doing with not sincerely mean that you look at Dak Prescott and what. And what. What you require of a quarterback you don't just require him to throw the football Uruquay so many other elements in increments to the equation? Because you need leadership you need a model model citizen. You need reliability dependability. You need all of these things and what I said Dominique before you showed up on the show today just a few segments go was this here is where the ultimate indictment comes against Jerry Jones. I don't WanNa hear anybody bringing up blackness from the perspective of what Dax a black quarterback no. That's not what this is. There are plenty of black people. Jerry Jones has paid. There are plenty of black people who have vowed for Jerry Jones in terms of what he's willing to do to take care of them on and off the field but this is the indictable thing about Jerry Jones that we cannot escape from. If this were Tony Romo would he have to go. Oh through this if this was forty and twenty four as a starter Romo is going to be more on TV. Do if this do you know what. But guess what that's not funny because Dak Prescott only pay two million this year. You understand so so Tony Romo. We know you're GONNA get at least ten the point that I'm trying to make. Is that if if Tony Romo had a forty forty twenty four record Dak Prescott has already won as many playoff games his four year career to Tony Romo did his entire career. Okay you know. They've been at a play. They the only this is his first season at eight and he's had a losing wreck. You not a losing record but not a winning record for him to have to go through this. especially when Ezekiel Ezekiel Elliott gets in trouble off. The field still holds out in Capo. You give him ninety million fifty million guaranteed as a running back to not not take care of Dak.. Prescott is damn near criminal. It really is domestic that you're sending by all the things you're saying. It's not the message that you want to be sending to your players or for your fans about the type of organization that you are okay. I'll say this there are two separate issues here. There's the basic fairness issue on the one hand. And that's what I would do if I with with the cowboys on the other now if it were Romo. That's a great thought experiment. I think we all know by the way. It's like a time to kill with Sam Jackson members. Daniel Jackson Matt right math mcconaughey. He's taking you through this horrible crime and you're like this isn't going to work. And then he says now imagine. The victim was white right. So if you imagine deck was white maybe a a year mcconaughey McGregor day. He'll wind up playing McGregor in bio anyway. Anyway the point is that I understand. How race plays this role? That is not always. We're not always fully able to tell how large role but you can see that it may be present basic fairness look what Jared Goff Look Carson Wentz Scott. My point is. I wouldn't give in golf that contract I wouldn't give that contract contract and it's killing both teams right now and I'll tell you something else. If you look at DAX numbers I agree. He has these leadership qualities in this thing. But that's all kind of like extra credit and I'm guessing it's going to develop into greatness right. Kurt already has kirk cousins. I disagree with that but okay Kirk cousins. They never wanted to give given the guaranteed money. It's not about the the parameters it's the guaranteed money Jimmy. GW was much less accomplished at the time. It's also like we have this feeling doing about him with a guarantee wasn't resetting the market to I understand why the cowboys if I were the cowboys I would want to franchise back as much as possible while while. He's on his way to becoming a great player. If he ever gets there in my view dominant you can feel differently either. So I mean 'cause Kirk cousins with putting up big numbers too but I never thought he was a great player. Doc I think will be a great player but I think some of the point is just because basic fairness says you should do. It doesn't mean you should do it. I wouldn't have done it. In the other cases I agree. Basic fairness is not a reason to give them the money and I understand the logic behind what you're saying but first of all he's much better than kirk cousins criticism of Kirk. Cousins is when the chips sir down. It's a big time moment. Dak Prescott has proven that he can lead game winning drives moments in the playoffs against good defense including Seattle he outscored they scored with three times in the fourth quarter against Green Bay packers when he was a rookie. If it wasn't for Aaron Rodgers Amazing Silent Pass he would have out dude Aaron Rodgers in that moment he led a game driving the playoffs last year against Seattle. Like he's shown so calling him. Kirk cousins is not fair because the criticism against Kirk cousins is that kirk cousins. It doesn't show up when you really need them. That has always shown up when you really need them and I think that he has proven himself to be an elite quarterback you can look at the statute of season. You can put aside. You can watch. It's the games the the record overall record I think is not a fair critique of him specifically but he absolutely deserved the money and now this is your argument falls apart Max. I'm with you if you can pay a great quarterback or even a good quarterback less than he's less than he can demand that's fine. You should do that. But that's not the system we live in. There's such scarcity it's basic supply. supply-and-demand are such scarcity for the quarterbacks that you have to overpay them and I'd be on board for you I'll be on board with you if they had somebody else to put in there so the question is do overpay Repay Dak Prescott which I agree that. Probably going to get overpaid overpaid all the quarterbacks except for Patrick Mahomes frankly are getting whatever he wants everyone else. I agree is overpaid. You can't justify but the fact is they have value then we have awake different Harvard business. Harvard supplier for an issues here. You can be a captive of that system if you run a team at or you could say this you put them on a bell curve and you say here's Mahomes on the far right end of the curve and a few other players that are worth the money but if you pay everyone who comes up because you're hoping they'll be like that you are not able to Rob Peter due to pay Paul because there's a hard cap. quarterbacks are overpaid to begin with. Okay Dak in. My view is not the reset. The market quarterback just like whence wasn't goth wasn't Selena was gone with. I agree with that. That's fine. But what if he says he is. And then you have no choice. So you go from there to franchise which puts more leverage in his require you to pay even more money. The cap goes to scan puts more leverage. I hear you but I still think y'all veering away from my major point or my major. The point is is that we wouldn't be having this discussion if it were Tony. Romo See. That's Weird Jerry. Jones can't escape in other words. Reality I'm saying to you that if you took the same credentials and attach them to Tony Romo just like you know who else is proof. Even though he was a coach. Is Jason Garrett. If you had a coach with the same could choose as Jason Garrett. You would've gotten rid of him years earlier. Bill didn't take take that Apple. The problem that Jerry Jones has right now with that example. This is an argument. You and I have a long. A variety audio-visual is. You're talking about what is I'm talking about. What should be talking about the reality of the behavior? I'm talking about the idealistic to which you are thriving. So I'm saying this as if he gave Romo the contract is seeking and we came out on the show and said should he have given Rome all the contract I would say but here's what you're missing. A negotiation is a negotiation. It is incredibly unfair to sit up there and say Dak wants to set the market. And that's why this deal is done Matt. If Carson Wentz got thirty four million guaranteed per year for example I but then they're all worth or just macos Russell Wilson was making thirty five that if Carson Wentz was making thirty four million right. Let's say for example Jerry. Jones sat up and said you ain't getting that but but I'll give you thirty three and if we found out Dak Prescott was turning down there. We're having a discussion. We're sitting here. Not even aware of the fact of what the facts are. It could very well be that. While you got a jared Goff getting one hundred and ten million and cost wins getting two hundred and seven million guaranteed day my I said. Oh we'll give you ninety s a problem I don't think it's the per annum issue the reason franchising make sense. What you you can do? Three times is kind of owner. It's really sure sure but twice for sure is that before you hand over the guarantee which is the killer to the team and what the player really wants. Make sure that the trajectory where you believe he's going to be great Israel. I think director Israel. He's gotten better every year. He is on Russell. Wilson subtract. Numbers string quarterback. That's better than what I don't understand. You know homes can't be on all thirty two teams I started. Yeah absolutely right let me. It doesn't mean every night. It's so easy for you to be in this nice air conditioned studio and making this and make my money back Jack. So that comes in and he says he wants whatever number you think he doesn't deserve you. Say No we franchise them you do it again franchise then what you're GonNa do. He says he wants the same amount of money. You're going to turn the keys is over to cooper rush. No no contract. Price goes up every year the weight the price goes up every year. But now you can you can amortize. The bone is over over the course. Please don't misunderstand me. I don't want him to get as much money as possible. Not You're trying to drive by absolute dollars who cares. I'm talking about the dollars relative to the CAP. The CAP goes up. You're not hurting the team by giving them more. He gets more leverage so he can expect more money as he gains more leverage if you franchise and he's Lanao Franchises. Higher Protocol audience doesn't understand all fused them. Let's let's get back to this. Let me ask you this question Max Kellerman do you think that Dak Prescott should jeopardize his health by going out there next year on a franchise tag like he did. He didn't go down to our friends outside this year. But to me analysis the franchise tag is GonNa be top played at his position but albeit for just just one year with no security are you are proponent of him doing that. If it's thirty million he's GonNa make what twenty seven thirty million dollars the twenty seven thirty minutes. Yeah no I would absolutely suggests that and I'm sure you're GONNA get yawn asking because he's threatening not to show your. He's threatening mark this show up until we won skipping offseason workout on the challenge. The challenge there is they have a new coach though. They're keeping offensive coordinator. You need the players are going to follow the quarterback in order to establish a culture. You need to quarterback back in. They're saying yeah we're GONNA pull this guy we're going to do. We need to do but he understands offense. Because they're keeping Kellen Moore so I don't think they'll skip the whole season. I wouldn't suggest that at all you go get that thirty million index Prescott. The Guy who rarely gets her I would say this to Y'all he has to feel bad for him because he has to take the franchise because he's never ever been paid. See the guy out and say to hell with is the God has been paid but you still trying to the fact that he's never been paid. It's why he's the president of Westerly Makes Jerry Jones semi look even worse for everyone is. Why would the cowboys do it? This way 'cause they paid a ton of pills and the answer is they don't believe he's elite there. Maybe he can be Italy quarterback but they don't think they paid a bunch of guys that have been in the league but they believe they were already said so. How does that fail? I believe in you after all the drama that franchises we're we're talking about the model of stability and he has been for them for four years they don't WanNA wrong. Even during the whole nailing stood up and said the things that did they want him to say so you need to support because he supported you as we approach the NBA trade deadline. The rockets have acquired timber. Wolves forward Robert Covington by training. Center Cling Capella appellative. The hawks as part of a four team twelve player deal according to our Adrienne Woods on Friday night. The rockets played an entire game without a player. Wait listen to this without a player listed taller than six foot six that's the first time an NBA team has done this since nineteen sixty three. That's an unbelievable note right there Stephen even at what does this trade main for Houston basketball. It means that Mike Dantonio specifically possibly. I'm not sure but possibly possibly Daryl Morey. Ah both on the clock they gotta get done. I'm going to say this again. I've spoken to Mr Fatigue and a while the own the rock raucous. He obviously has been on this show. Obviously I've spoken to him on many many occasions. This man is not playing. I don't no how serious how much more serious I can be about that. He's not playing. There is a standard that he believes faira unfair needs to be amen. And he's watching all of this. He purchased a team a few years ago. He spent the first couple of years watching and observing and learning according to him. Those words is words. He believes he has arrived to the point where he can at least judge what his personnel is doing. So let's analyze Max was was second. What's transpiring the other night Houston Rockets win a game. They go small. They don't play a player over six feet. Six that's the first time that's happened in the NBA. Since one thousand nine hundred sixty three with the New York Knicks. O'keefe they win this game but let me tell you what appeals from it. I saw the quotes from Dan. Tony you have to keep up with us right because people were speculating. You're sacrificing rebounding. You're sacrificing deepens not on a perimeter because Robert Covington was a good plan for the sixers before getting traded to the Minnesota and he's a damn good perimeter defender and he suffers your perimeter defense and obviously with a lot of teams teams in the League. You don't predicated success or perimeter play to improve your perimeter defense. There's nothing wrong with that. The flip side to it. Is that the rim protection section. You know rebounding down low and stuff like that. It's being sacrificed dantonio unapologetic about that. Why is that relevant? Because yet ed again here we all would houston. Try something major props to Daryl Morey for doing something. He doesn't stand still. He doesn't stand pat he's constantly constantly going for it all those things and he should be applauded for it. I'll just say you work if one owner that he ain't applauded your aspirin he's applauding result good. And at some point time they're going to have to produce good for teeth for having that standard. I will remind people though what was the. What were the Houston Rockets? Before Daryl Morey like there are two ways you could wind up on a second round treadmill. You could be a forty eight win team a fifty one team that winds up on a second round treadmill treadmill. Because you're just GONNA keep banging your head against the wall. Your system isn't good enough and really because you don't have Lebron James or Kawhi Leonard. Someone quite on that level then glues James Harden in the playoffs offs or you can try something new. You'll be on the same second round treadmill. Maybe but maybe with fifty eight wins and maybe at least you have A. You're you're giving yourself a chance. He's right Daryl. Morey was with took over a team without a Lebron James or somebody that someone might Anthony Davis while someone like that and he built this up he identify James Harden. That dude can be much more than people realize stuff like that when you go small ball. It's not about has nothing to do with it. Because basketball ascot ball select out for the percentage of seven footers in the world in the NBA is high of six. footers is low. It's advantage to be told but to lay way the kind of Basketball Daryl Morey wants you to play or Mike Dantonio in this case. It's easier to find that among shorter player so he's not saying heights not important he's saying I'm GONNA put a heavier emphasis on what we need these guys to do even if we have to sacrifice him he's just dealing with reality and that's what more is done. The whole time time he's dealt with the reality of situation and taken enrolled the dice on trying to make the most of it and he's doing the same thing where I disagree with you and I think thank you for being very very unfair because of the position that we're in Max Kelemen we ain't competion. We win if we were competing Petey it would be a problem. You know. We'll see what did what did we. I mean that what we want to do now. I'm seeing in some places number one time we go what I'm saying to you. Is this the point that I'm trying to make that at some point in time it's not raw for fatigue to look at competitors. We're GONNA be in the playoffs. We get to the second round. You trying to tell me what the money that I spent that. I don't have of a right at some point at Tom. Want more on the software time. When you're knocking on a door knocking on a door knocking on a door step so I didn't the role after making paint? I don't believe I don't believe that. Come playoff time you win where you can't stop people now now again. They're better defended their better. Defensively on a perimeter that might get it done but you're sacrificing the interior and your sacrifice and we got. I don't know Oh but I'm telling you this. Stay here with me. If Mike did Tony gets himself bounced out in second round of the playoffs. This'll the new coach of Houston. But then probably right and good for for Tito for having that standard but I want. I don't worry I wonder if the more I want all right this. Let's keep in mind. And I'm like look at David Tepper. And what he's done right of the panthers making change came in to basically successful franchise okay and he said Nope not good enough okay. Having a winning record was it's not good enough. We need to do better. And I think we're at a dead end. We need to change something good for him but same thing with fatigue that I said about tower. Now let's pay very close attention if he does get rid of d'antoni Maury let's just say for a second. Let's pay very close attention to to what comes next the next five years the next several show because there's really fifty five plus year and making playoffs. But what I'm saying to you is if you smell in number one they like you coming from the basement you been. You've been top four for like five years at some point Tom. You've got to kick the door in and I don't think I don't want Dantonio fight. I liked Antoni okay. And I think he's brilliant offensively. But here's the question. That thing about it is James Harden and loves this man what he has done for James Harden career is undeniable but is that GonNa win you the chaff. You know what I'll say. Is that GonNa win you the channel. Jail what I'll say to that. If he loves Dan Tony so much. James does need to sink shots when it matters most okay and then this won't be an issue. Aw Aw or the coach can buffer his defense to such a degree that they got you can buffer deepened to such a degree that even when the cat is missing. Shots you people you shut them down. You GotTa Stop Somebody. They considering the pace they considering how many threes they take it how efficient and winces insist their defense radar last point. PJ Tucker be careful about him out every night. Toughest assignment give. The brother breaks the shoot from the corner sneaking aware and people out speaking of threes. We also Lebron put on a clinic. Last night we saw the six threes. He crushed in the fourth quarter. Max Are you afraid he is going to run out of gas. This season Steven mentioned it. He'd take his foot off the pedal on defense. That's good but he spent the first forty games. Would you tasty day more or less really playing pedal to the metal on defense averaging about thirty five minutes a game carrying the whole offense at his age. I'm afraid of two things. One not enough gas in the thank once. The playoffs start especially competing against the guy who's load managing and Kawhi if that's the match up and to acute injury the raising the risk of injury at his age given the number of minutes. I don't blame you for feeling that way. But if there's one thing I'm going to trust Lebron James with is his own health and no one his own body. He has earned that from all of us to do too smart. He's committed his workout regimen. Everybody talks about. This dude is a physical physical specimen. The likes of which we may have never seen and the reality is that based on the way he's playing. I'm going to trust that. He knows what he's doing. All I ask COUPLA. Ah broad is this that same. Do that shows up against the Spurs. Could you show up against playing like that. Do me a favor pretty pleased which is take. Please give me the same so you can. He's going against your boy. Jimmy Butler Miami Heat. That's going to be a good Jimmy. What collectedness let me tell you what Jimmy Butler is an MVP candidate? The sixers are worse with the Miami Heat are better with him. No and fifteen Jimmy Butler what he has infused in my rally ever exposed to Anti Ellsberg and he's about Jimmy Butler is a league. MVP VP candidate. What he is doing for sure and I love hero Robinson I don think shooting under ten percent from three since since since like a certain parts season I don't care I agree with you? He has an MVP effect on his team. He's a candidate for 'em Pandey Absolute Mel Question. Miami coming out of the East going on itself. Each now claims your eyes on the heat. One more piece though. I much Villes into the podcast gets first weekdays ten A._M. Eastern on E._S._p._N.. Have a fabulous day. We'll see tomorrow.

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Protect your business in your dream choose from over thirty coverage options that progressive commercial dot com. Plus get triple action protect civil optimal engine performance with shell v power nitro plus premium gasoline any minute now, we are scheduled to speak. Actually, he is here. He's twenty three and one in. Oh would one no decision. He's the light everywhere champion the words about to go up against Anthony Smith, he is the one and only John bones Jones, and he is on the line with yours truly right now. What's going on big time? How are you? Man, you big time. You don't wanna know? Even I wish I wish I wish let let's get right into it. First of all you had a fight. You had a fight a few weeks ago. You went up against Angela and Alexander Gustafsson, you handed your business in the third round. You took him out. You wanna vacant w a UFC light heavyweight championship of the world talk to me about that particular fight. And how ready were you for it considering the fact that it had been nearly two years before you had your last fight? Yeah. You know, it was a great experience. You know, you know, he considered himself my kryptonite and have been five years since we've faced generalize. And I think you know, food. Who had been working hard? You know? Who? What sport meant to each of? You know, I felt like I threw least the bones to bless. I'm we face each other and faithful to you know, giving position that now, obviously, you will go on away from the sport. We don't have to re-, you know, belabor that point. You've spoken about it. You came on. I take to speak about that. You've been sports in these spoken about it in the past, you know, your suspension from the sport, and what have you? But while you were away talk to my audience about what that did for you as a fighter. Did it elevate your level of fervor to continue doing this for the long haul? It it. Did it take something away from you? What did you learn in your absence? About a very controversial community. And you know, I try to find the good and everything and the blessings and everything, and you know, on the positive side. You know, I got to realize how much departments me the means to me in in what I am outside the sport. And you know, my gratefulness as as far as me is just work harder. And you know, and and and dream bigger and to just a low, you know victory, and I revere to outweigh any type of controversy or downtown. You know, it's interesting because when you for the staff in what is it September twenty first two thousand and thirteen you have sea one sixty five you had one that that that fight by decision when you went up against him this past December twenty ninth like, you said five years later, you know, he he said some things about you. He questioned the validity of your fight game. He basically insinuated that you were cheat. I knew he was I knew he was doing for the moment. He did that. Because you ain't the person to do that to make no mistake about that. But, but, but, but when you think about the conduct things that he was saying are you concerned that even though it was a small sample, and you can explain that. If you want to in your blood, or whatever the case may be are you concerned whether it's him, Dan, you call me as of the world and others. Are you concerned that these guys are going to go about the business of religiously trying to label you somebody who tries to get an unfair advantage against them. And try to just. Eradicate your validity and authenticity is a champion. Are you concerned about that at all moving forward? Concerned about it. Stephen, you know, at the end of the day when you've been blessed with certain on greatness. You always be excuses for for who you are. You know, when I when I first started sport, you know, people who say well was bellies are, you know, athletes, and they'll say like what his arms are long. And then they then they would say well why he poked the guy in the is. So maybe that's why to he's kicking the guy on the knees. You know, that's that's what he's doing. There's always gonna be excuses. And and unfortunately, you know, the situation my last situation detail, it's all Pika ground mess. You know, if given my daughter's a legitimate excuse, but but. And then what's for me? It's for me, Steven A, and you just can't stop glass blesses. You just can't stop him. Courtroom. John. I got a question. We'll talk the John Paul Jones UFC light heavyweight champion of the world. He's right here with Steven A on ESPN radio and ESPN is. I gotta ask you this question. What a hell you fighting somebody with thirteen losses. I mean, I know Anthony Smith can find a little bit. But why is a guy with thirteen losses getting into octagon, which you? Well. You know as a game gotta take on challenges and every man is of this share. And and and to me. Everyone's worthy. Now, you know, everyone has their challenge, then everyone has value and their worth, and you know, and and then the day, you know, tell one of his career has been it's been a nice morning. You know, he's he's really coming into lose. All he's become a great fighter. And you know, my job is not to be a dream crusher. You know, I'm just just so much bigger from each of these. So am I is you upon in a great great story. And there was no face. You know, there was no records to me. It's just it's just you know, I didn't see victory for us to come. So. But you know in order to be great. You gotta take them all and that's what I'm doing. We're talking to John bone Jones right here with Steven and Steven it's been ESPN radio. ESPN news. Are you ever going to fight? Dan, you call me again. You know, I've always said that is that it's not personal for me. I'm just saying it's not personal for me. I'm doing all day apartment. It's a blessing. Every time. I hear people call him the greatest of all time that you know, who I am. And and Daniel wants to redeem yourself you come down to live we division. I've never challenged anyway. And when I do decide to challenge headway, it'll be the perfect scenario for me, whether it's financial or stylistic, and you know, then, you know, it's kids ended today that he's not gonna chant. What are we asked? And that. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead and pilot. I apologize for interrupting go ahead. No when they're old enough that it got he wasn't a real champion and my era, and that's all that really matters. But don't you think that's the fight that people really really want to see because they clearly appears to be genuine disdain that you guys have for each other at the very least he appears to have for you. I'm doing Oregon state, call me. And like I said financial the US wants to give the fans where they want happy. Okay. John Paul Jones right here with Steven ESPN radio. ESPN news last question. I'm thinking about you as the light heavyweight champion you talked about how you've never challenged a heavyweight. Do you see that in the foreseeable future? You moving up to the heavyweight division or you're gonna stay at the light heavyweight division and be satisfied there. Toes satisfied. You know, when I when agenda you'll see originally my goal was deal greatest. But I haven't really champion of all time. And what did you degrading Scampi them all the time? And I'm happy in the land that I am not my division. And I got some got a lot of young coming up the big dreams, you know, one day the myself and my job is. Just keep on keeping on. Okay. That's what I'm gonna I'm satisfied in my life. John Jones, wishing you another. But the best you headlining UFC two thirty five t mobile arena in Vegas week from Saturday. Good luck to you, my man, and I hope to see you there handle your business. We'll talk soon. Keeping great all right on the one and only John bones. Jones UFC light heavyweight champion of the world right here with Steven A ESPN radio ESPN news because go of his Anthony Smith week from Saturday. You'll see two thirty five don't miss it. Do not miss it. Let's get back to the phones at eight say ESPN, eight seven to nine three seven seven six back to the phones we go about this Robert Kraft situation in new no again put that up for me. So I can read this one more time to our listeners and viewers out there because I wanna make sure that everybody understood something that I didn't know at the at the beginning to show, I can promise you that. I didn't know all of this stuff was going on it. You know, a couple of things new. I'm looking for this story that you show me here. It is police in Florida have charged New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft with misdemeanor. Solicitation of prostitution saying they have video tape of paying for a sex act inside an illicit massage Paula Jupiter. Police told reporters Friday that the seventy seven year old craft hasn't been arrested a warm. We'll be issued and his attorneys will be notified to charge comes amid a widespread crackdown on sex trafficking in the areas around in Palm Beach county about two hundred arrests have been issued in recent days and more are expected. Initially when I talked about this at the beginning show. I just thought that you know, he was consent, you know, engaging some consensual act with somebody and got caught in a public place. You know, like, I didn't know all of this stuff is going on sex trafficking. Videotape sting operation spanning moss over two hundred rest. Good lord. I didn't know he was a part of that they're not accusing him of sex trafficking. Obviously, they're cues. Ing him of being involved in soliciting prostitution. Does obviously a serious matter. Now, make no mistake about it. My lack of understanding I apologize. I didn't know all of that. Let's go to Stacey. You live Stephen on ESPN radio and ESPN news. Hi stacy. Hey, steamy. I've in the long time listener, thank you. Anyway, I I'm just calling you to let you know. I am. So unhappy about a situation with Robert Kraft. Just I all I all I also wanted to say because these people have money they get away with just a race. That's not fair. These people come from all over the world these young children. It could be your child. Get kidnap on take to some different parts of the country. I am a I'm eighteen Wheeler driver all over the country on I see things. And I say things I reporting my name is probably so long on the different PD, whatever part of the country. I go to if I see a a vehicle park anywhere close to a truck. I call it up because you know, what I don't know. You never know it could be somebody else shot. I have a lot of nieces and nephews it could be any one of minds as hey, you, see see? That's why I'm so grateful for the call because he went when I originally heard about the story. I'm thinking listen he's been on the record. He had a, you know, relatively young girlfriend, and I'm thinking, you know, he's probably with her any any got. Caught engaging some consensual activity. I had no idea about the sex trafficking the sting operation or anything like that. And so now that changes it and elevates the level of seriousness that should be attached to all of this without question. And so I mean, my apologies for not knowing more before I even commented on the article, I wanna make sure I say because I get where you're coming from win talk about sex trafficking. It's an again, Robert Kraft is not being accused of such thing. He's being accused of soliciting prostitution, but the whole issue of sex trafficking, and how serious of a crime that is and how children are involved in. What have you? Oh my God. I had no idea that that was a part of this story. So I appreciate you commenting about it. Stacey. Me too much rich folks out here is just getting what they want on just what a slap on the Ritz. It's not fair. What about these young children as I said, it could be anybody? Chime what about his grandchild? What about his great grandchild? Absolutely. I appreciate the call Stacy. Thank you so much. Those are the jitney question anytime you hear about sex trafficking. Exactly what you have to think about exactly what you have to think about. As exactly what you have this while Paul sex travel. What the hell are they talk? What is going on? Wow. Caulton july. Stephen what's up, man? Hey, I really saddened by this news. I always considered Robert Kraft, you know, the consummate executive, and I actually hope somehow, someway, he got wrapped up in something far beyond. What he understood it today. You know, my feel Bella check or well known. I can't stand the guy. He's been cheating since he was a lacrosse player at Wesleyan as was delineated in the biography of him a recently re released which made the New York Times, but Kraft is a different person from my stand standpoint, nothing but class, but what I really wanna see tomorrow is how the social Justice warriors on your program molly's in the. Monday because we don't come back on the Monday. Today's friday. You're right. These are the people that remember when Reuben foster was even accused of of of having a problem with his girlfriend or girlfriend who had actually gone. I think did a little time for falsely accusing apply boy they jumped down his throat they jumped down the Washington Redskins throat. They thought the Redskins were just like more horrendous franchise in the world for actually, you know, taking a chance on this guy going. Forward course a month and a half way to all charges were dropped against him. And that that's completely gone away. But now that Robert clap is a favorite of theirs. I can't wait to see what they say about him getting wrapped up in a potentially human trafficking ring that most of them do involve underage underage children. In this case, we're talking female can't wait. What about social Justice warriors have to say? Oppose this much. I tell you this much causing people going to need to have a lot to say. Because again, when I first heard the story, I'm thinking, okay. You know, he's he has a young girl friend. He was he, you know, he got caught in a compromising situation engaging consensual activity with the consenting adult when you see the word sex traffic and a word sex trafficking, and that's an entirely different connotation, and all of a sudden it starts thinking about what you brought up. What the previous caller Stacey brought up and you're talking about human trafficking. You're talking about involving potentially underage children and all of this other stuff. Now again, he's been accused of soliciting prostitution. He hasn't been accused of being in sex trafficking or anything like that. So let's make sure that we make that we we divide the two and make sure we understand what he's being accused of. But nevertheless, when you see the story and anything you talk to talk about sting operations two hundred arrests sting operation that involves a spans month at a time and it said sex traffic. Taking that's an entirely different situation that I thought existed. So it's scary now, and I sincerely hope he's not guilty of of anything of the police appear to be accusing him of. But I gotta tell you. It's not a good situation for him to be in. And like you said you'd think highly of him imagine what I think of him and other people think of him who know him a little bit. I mean, we think the world of him. So to see his name associated with such thing is incredibly uncomfortable. I feel we hope he innocent. But that has never prevented Molly Matt from going at people in the path that are even and generally associated with any of this stuff. And by the way, you know, my views on Donald Trump. I am no fan of Donald Trump's, but our year and a half I had to listen to Matt at we thirty times won't be eight on on Donald Trump's collusion with Russia. He has been amazingly silent. After that whole thing completely. Wheatley blown up in his face. I if you could update all about sports afficionados that had to listen to him bloviate about that. What his position is on that. Now that it was all one big on his part trying to convince everybody that turned administrator. Yeah. So anyway, I appreciate the call is always momentum Q so much. Let's go to Jack ULA. Stephen they talked to me, Jack. Jack, Jack, breaking news CNN musician or Kelly who's been associated associated with accusations of abusing young women for decades has been indicted, according to CNN now that is a man I hope gets thrown under the jail after seeing that documentary against him on lifetime. All my Lord. I just wanted to put that out there. Go ahead, Jack. Even in first of all, I don't know remember from a couple of weeks ago just wanted to say thank you because maybe kind of famous amongst my friends who are working on your show you wondering. Famous you made just so famous because you would make him really really good points nothing, but respect for you for that moment. Well, no, I just wanted to. Well, you know, obviously you didn't like my comment about the bears. But I I don't wanna talk about the bears right now. If you I wanted to ask you personally, do you think that the NFL will intervene with his Robert Kraft situation at all they went in terms, and they have to it is a matter of it. It's a matter of public record. The police are charging him with a crime, albeit a misdemeanor still a crime and the shield will tell you you don't even have to be arrested. You don't have to be indicted. You don't have to be convicted Vic the court of the NFL will intervene, and obviously something would be brought to bear because of this. There's no question about that. So what what kind of punishment? Do you think they'll maybe hand down? I think it depends. I think it depends on what they learned from the police and after as they do their own investigation. That will determine the severity of the of the punishment. Nice. Even I and as always go bears people say richer next year. All right. Thank you. Matt bought way. The NFL are says it is a wear of the ongoing ongoing law enforcement matter and will continue to monitor developments, so they'll monitor developments and knowing them they will engage in their own investigation. And they will go from there. Right. Hemu? Live Stephen talked to me we relate was going over what's up, man. Go ahead much. Glad the Bill your show today. Thank you. I just wanted to make it clear, I'm totally against sex trafficking. So am I so am I getting tails, but what I'm saying they knew this was going on you know, they let him win the Super Bowl. But in my opinion, that's just my opinion. Once he built a relationship with meek mill, you know, they won the Super Bowl. He put the chain on his neck. I think that he put on the gasoline tuxedo and job by firewood. He did that. And then in recent talks, they were talking about signing cabernet. If I'm getting the correct, that's when the fire jumped out report toward that they would want Dan wanted to teams that would consider him. But it was according to his lawyer Carolina New England would be ideal landing spots or whatever. I don't know what level of validity. There wasn't that. 'cause we're it's Tom Brady going. That's number one. Number two. Let me make sure I get this clear makes for my listeners. What you're saying? Is that his association with meek mill who obviously not just because of being a rap artist, but being incarcerated for the probation violation and alternately with the assistance of Mike Rubin. Part owner for the Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers a lawyer Robert Kraft, his New England Patriots helping to get him out of jail. You're saying his association with meek mill combined with reported willingness to consider bringing Colin capital to the New England Patriots. You're saying that's a reason why Robert Kraft finds himself in this tenuous situation. I believe so that's just my purse. Opinion, you know, once you in the higher up like that. They don't want certain things coincide together, they want you to be on this side. And then that once you start mixing it and crossing it America wants him put on a plateau where he stands alone. Well, country is great. That's just my opinion. I reaction to that would be I think that's a stretch. But I'm in no position to tell. You definitively wrong? I don't know that to be the case. I'd kinda doubt it, but I can understand the conspiracy theories out there like yourself how that could be that could be something as plausible. Listen, listen to this though, if he is guilty. Let's give him on lifetime television television show like they do in our Kelly. Well. If he's guilty of what soliciting prostitution love, which hard wait a minute. Wait a minute soliciting prostitution is legal as it may be. Okay. And I'm certainly again when we say sex trafficking, particularly when you're talking about minors, all my God. That's just agreed. Don't get me started with that. Like, I said, I didn't know that that was the damn story. I thought he got busted engaging in something consensual with another adult or something like that. It's simple as that. I didn't know all this sex traffic and stuff was going on, you know, in terms of the sting operation spanning moths over two hundred arrest. I had no idea that that was the story when I first started off the show, but having said that let's be clear. Our Kelly has been accused. Rape of a of kidnapping and stuff like that. I I'm just saying that I don't know. You know, I'm not even qualified to go into this. Because I just don't know. I just don't appreciate the call, man. Thank you so much inundate say ESPN, it's edited seven to nine three seven seven six back with more your calls on this matter involvement, Robin craft and this whole sex trafficking sting operation conducted by police in Florida, and what have you this is a bad situation. Had no idea it was like this it eight say ESPN is in at eight seven to nine three seven seven six. We'll get back to more of your calls in a minute, by the way. 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Because I want to apologize to my list is and all of this other stuff. Did I take got off had some breakfasts? Get a new story Robert Kraft is being charged with soliciting soliciting soliciting soliciting prostitution. It's a developing story. More details will come on the air. And I'm like, okay. He has a young girlfriend and him. Probably got busted doing something in some kind of environment. Whatever the case may be at the spa wherever it was. It was just that simple. And it wasn't until I spoke on that produces produced the story for me that showed this involves a sting operation. Over two hundred arrests sex trafficking in all of this other stuff. Now, he's not being accused of such things. He's being accused of soliciting soliciting prostitution. Which is a misdemeanor as what he's being accused of. But it's a part of a sex trafficking. Stink conducted by law enforcement officials that spanned months and it's reduced over two hundred arrest. That's very serious because as Stacey. I call it from Florida pointed out in a lot of those situations that involves underage girls. Sometimes immigrants. And so when you take into those situations, you got a lotta helpless individuals. And we you see something like this so share with anybody. Particularly those who are wealthy. It just has a strong negative connotation attached to it. So we got treat it with the seriousness that it deserves. The reason why I didn't sound as serious about it is because I was thinking. Robert Kraft was with his girlfriend. Or young lady that he knew. Gauging in sexual, you know, some kind of consensual activity, and he got caught. Because he wasn't in the privacy of his own home. I certainly wasn't thinking all of this. Changes the game without question in the NFL is investigating in. We can hope that he's innocent lives Caulton said as well. Damn you. Hope he's innocent this. He says he's innocent of this. He has engaged in no illegal activity whatsoever. Somewhat. Arguing deserves the benefit of the doubt. But these is a very highly sensitive subject highly sensitive story, and obviously is treated with the seriousness that it deserves and it should have been treated with the seriousness. It is from opening tip on my part. And for that. I apologize. Let's get back to the phones. Maliki lava Stephen able to. Even my right, man. How are you? I'm doing good. They man I think when he three serve jasmine. Before really hopping in and to all of this grant, sex trafficking, huge never fully against it all all of us on all of us should be. 'cause a lot more that first of all we should be fit period. But Secondly, we also be a one of the other incentive to be against it is that usually involves children. So go ahead. Yeah. Exactly. And that's what I'm saying. But right now, we don't know with Robert Kraft new or not, and we don't even know if he knew it was part of Iraq African career like you said before as far as consent goes if it's just him and another woman both adults considered into something. Then. Fear game. You know Greenwich illegal. Like, I said if you look at it that way, I hear you where we have to be mindful of is that we're about focusing on the fact and the reality that it's a sex trafficking stink. And those words are being thrown out there by law enforcement officials can't be ignored can't be minimized period. It's a very serious issue. Not just taking place in this country. But in the world. Co if you say Robert Kraft got busted, a massage Paula with another adult, then obviously we're going to have a different opinion about that. Then we are there or that we would have when we hear a sex trafficking stink. And so it's a serious issue. What do you think's gonna happen as four hundred punishment goes? Now, we can't answer that question because we got first of all he says that he is innocent of such things that he is engaged in our legal activity. And if that is the case, then the only blemish against him would be found that he's engaged no illegal activity, then the only blemish against him is that it stained the NFL because he found himself in a relatively embarrassing situation. That's it other than that. That's it. And then we we we gotta ask ourselves the question this man, who has always been associated with integrity. Does he not deserve the benefit of the doubt? If he says he is innocent, which he has and the New England Patriots have in a statement. Because I, you know, I know too man personally, I spoke to him on several occasions. I got a lot of love and aberration for Robert Kraft. And I'll be damned if I don't want to give him the benefit of the Dow, but when you hear the word sex trafficking sting and two hundred arrests than all of that other stuff you have to also treat that with the seriousness as it deserves. If no other reason out of respect to our law enforcement officials who are out there doing their job and work hard at it. And also just the whole issue of sex trafficking. That is permeated this world in a very negative fashion. You have to treat it with the seriousness that it deserves. But I had no idea that this involved that until after my first segment of the show. Cool. All right. Go ahead require gweat. All right. Thank you. Roger you'll obviously. But they go ahead, buddy. Hey, man on my brother. How are you doing? Good. Hey, man, I'm down here in Florida and down here, man. Most people know that a lot of massage parlors or gear towards sexual activity just to lay person. Okay, for Robert Kraft to suggest that he didn't know that's the place to leave attending potentially prostitution right now. It's not right this, right. This summer at Robert Kraft, hasn't said anything all Robert Kraft has said according to win the patriots is that he is completely innocent of any illegal activity. We haven't heard another word from him on this matter. So what you just said isn't applicable because he hasn't spoken. So we don't know what he feels other than to say he's innocent. We don't know anything else. Well what I do. 'cause I live here in Florida. Okay. Which Florida Florida which part of from the west, I'm West Palm Beach team miles from Jupiter down all the time. Okay. Go ahead. No, no about the massage powers in a whole because my wife, and I we get massages all the time. In a matter of fact, you know, some of these salons the reputable ones, they even have where you go through a process, and it brings one out to your house. And then we're not that wealthy, but we can afford to have someone come to the house. I can't see a man with that wealth and thereby having access to information that may not be available to post it and my income category. Not knowing what he was doing. Now. I think the best thing he can do is what you did earlier. You are you discovered that you had not that you had to make a correction, you came out and did it, and you moved on if this guy wants to be considered a man of integrity and morals what he expects from his players and other people around him. He needs to step up in just be a man be a father and a grandfather and admits his guilt in lieu Ford and not trying to hide behind some lar- saying that he's innocent. Because he's not I don't know anything, except where what I know about things besides policy down in the Florida area, man. Okay. And I'm telling you, okay. Is there a bad guy knew what he was doing? He knew what he was doing pissed. Okay. Okay. All right. All right. I appreciate the call, man. Thank you so much. You'll call close out the show in a minute this even at ESPN radio. He hasn't been news. I guess what you're in the middle of a Stephen swift show podcast it. If you missed any of my show, go check it out on demand. Even a podcast brought to you by capital. One capital. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimum. They can be open at five minutes Capital One. Hey, what's in your wallet? Again. The Robert Kraft story is the story. There's no way around this. Gotta treat it with the seriousness that it deserves. I had no idea that involves extravagant sting operation two hundred plus the rest Lord have mercy. This cannot be ignored in the NFL has been on record saying they ain't ignored in Robert Kraft has been on the record the New England Patriots. It's union statement saying he is not guilty of any illegal activity whatsoever. That is the situation I gotta get on outta here. But sue you live Steven A only got a minute who go ahead. Stephen A. This is really upsetting to me because I'm from Massachusetts, you guys sensationalizing this to the point. And you know what? The patriots are easy prey for this kind of stuff. The man is a so far being charged with to miss Medina's of solicitation for prostitution just because he got caught on tape while they were doing another operation doesn't say that. The man was is a sex trafficker, and is making slave out of young girls. First of all just so you know, whatever patriot. Hey tourism exists. It ain't this way because I know Mr. craft, and I got a lot of respect and a lot of love him. That's number one number two. He certainly isn't being accused of sex trafficking by any stretch of the imagination. We're reporting that the police are charging him with soliciting prostitution. That's that's that's what it is. He's not being charged with sex trafficking. Anything like that? And nobody is implied that. Thing and I've been on the website, and I've seen what people are saying out there. Okay. You talk about the website of what people are saying out there. That's what you're talking about. Right. Okay. So we gotta get on outta here. Gotta get ready to go y'all have a wonderful weekend. This story is developing one. I guess it's not going away. Which means we're not going away. We'll talk to you next week until then peace and love learn what affects your credit scores and what you can do to improve them with credit karma. Maybe you need to dispute an errand your credit report or you're paying too much interest. Credit karma can help with that. Visit credit karma dot com or download the app now that's credit karma dot com. That's just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen swift show, weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Hour 2: Bones Jones; Harbaugh Hot Seat

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Hour 2: Bones Jones; Harbaugh Hot Seat

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Let me repeat that one in fourteen in their last fifteen against the buckeyes Jim Harbaugh Owen four against Ohio State as Michigan head coach Steven I want to start with you on the shit hormone beyond the hot seat. He shouldn't be on a hot seat simply because I think we look at the Michigan program. I think we've overrated them. I think it's time for Michigan to come on home with the rest of us recognize that this elite program your brand is exceptional. There's no doubt about that. But what you've actually accomplished? I mean, what has it been thinking about the last time? The Michigan wolverines have been in the national championship picture. What are we going back to max the seventies? I think somewhere along those lines maybe some point they take more of themselves. The fans do Desmond Howard no joke Heisman Trophy Charles Woodson. We get all of that. And we understand what they brought to the table proud to have them as parts of the ESPN family, by the way. But for the most part, you take away their tenure there. And when you look at the national championship picture, I don't think Michigan has been relevant in it. Now, let me get to Jim Harbaugh. That's why I say he shouldn't be on the hot seat because I think that people have been blowing up Michigan to be more than what they are. Having said all of that. I think the time is arrived at say the Jim Harbaugh's have been underrated as overrated rather as a college football coach. I mean, either you can't recruit or you're not as innovative offensively or the combination of both. What have you done offensively that this man, obviously has a defensive back room visit quarterback coach or what have you? We saw what he did in San Francisco, and it was admirable and getting Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada. You understand you get him to replace Alex Smith that may be the last innovative thing we've seen Jim Harbaugh. Do we just don't see much from this guy? Okay. Defensively. You are supposed to be the number one defense in America. Get sixty two drops on you. Now. Maybe it's more like fifty five because. There was a black putt that was returned for touchdown. But the bottom line is you're gave up sixty two points. You gave up the deepens gave up over fifty and for it to be a gets urban Mayan unfit to be against the Ohio State your most heated rival everybody knew what was on a lot. It wasn't just a rivalry game. The ultimate rivalry game. It was the first time in Jim Harbaugh tenure that you looked at Michigan state, excuse me. They could win this game. By the way, Ohio say seems to be unraveling. They lost by twenty nine per do. All right. Everything is is right out there for you to grab if you lose again, you lose again, even with a playoff berth on the LA potentially. I get it. But to get stopped like that. It was so disappointed for me. Max was in Barrington, and it actually messed up my Saturday ain't going LA Harbaugh should be on the hot seat. Clearly, he was hired to do one thing. And this goes for any Michigan coach, and it goes for any Ohio State. Coach permission. Gins point of view, you hire a guy to beat Ohio State. You must beat Ohio State. Don't tell me about wins even on the road. I don't care about Wisconsin and northwestern Penn State Michigan state. I don't wanna hear it beat Ohio State at least one time and to have your vaunted defense get crushed because of crossing routes. I mean, that's on the coach that's coaching. If someone's doing something against you in any sport. And you have no defense for it. They're going to keep doing it until you show them that you have an answer. So if it's a pitcher throwing the curveball and the guy can't hit you're gonna keep on the curveball. If it's a boxer, and you can't lock the right hand. The other guy's going to keep on the right hand if a crossing route so flummoxed your defense that you can do nothing about it. Is there a halftime adjustment? Can the coach do? No. And against us guys. This is not look urban Meyer agree code. We know that he's a great coach. I understand. He is great. And he's a candidate for second. Best. Coach in college football. There are others clear. This is not a coach in the SEC. This is not JIMBO Fisher. Why can't you beat Alabama? Well, you're coaching against the greatest coach who ever lived urban Meyer is not Nick Sabin. Sorry. If you're Jim horrible. You must be that guy. At least once John Cooper, Ohio states coach lost his job once upon a time 'cause he couldn't beat Michigan. That's the way it works in the big ten at these two programs harp on the hot chats here question. There's Nick Sabin. There's urban Meyer, Davos Sweeney, right? They're the best in the game. We know Nick Sabin, and is a class of his own those other who else do you want over Jim Harbaugh? I mean when you're talking those guys who's better than Jim Harbaugh. There's those three and then there's Jim that's why I don't feel like Lincoln Lincoln Riley. Maybe I understand the point. And I'd say Harbaugh's not in that category murdered. Outside of those three what I would say. This is not my job to find the next coordinator to be a head coach in college football. This is the job of the programs. This is the same thing. I hear from NFL teams all the giants Shurmur. It turned out to be as well. Who would you have hired. Let me tell you something. I promise you if it was my job to find the next coordinator, I'm promised you. I would you at least have to find someone who looks like McVeigh or Niki or someone like that who's dynamic Harbaugh. You would think could recruit he had a lot of success in the NFL. If you can't be a high. Oh state. You can't keep your job at Michigan period. Well, I think it's a combination of if you can't beat Ohio State, and you're not competing in the national championship picture they were knocking on a door for playoff berth this year. I'm not gonna say should be a hot see all I'm going to say, they he shouldn't be he obviously should not be considered on the same level urban Meyer and Nick Sabin the nose, boys. I will say this to you max, we talk about Nick Sabin. And obviously, I think he's the best in college football maybe ever, but I'm not going to sit up there and act like this not a debate between him and urban Meyer reminds the three time national champion urban Meyer beat Nick Sabin in two thousand fourteen in the Sugar Bowl in the college football playoffs. They beat them now. And so when you went head-to-head what did take out? Okay, now over the last three years, you got a couple of those years, Ohio State was considered to be a program that got rob. They should have been in the post postseason and a lot of people's eyes, and they didn't get now you've got a situation where you got people looking at them and saying this gives me even though they got smacked around by twenty nine per do because you got Oklahoma giving up fifty six points and wins. Do they really deserve to be in the postseason? Yeah. Why not the Ohio? Wait, wait. Why is there this bias against high scoring teams? Okay. Well, I will say this to you. It's not about being high scoring being a high scoring team. It's about having no defense saying the other team's going to get the ball to score. Now. What I'm saying is that it's. It's one thing. If listen we watch the Rams and the Kansas City go against one another on Monday night, and we're incredibly incredibly entertained by that, but it's an aberration to see a fifty four fifty one encounter with Oklahoma seems to be very knowable. And that's a problem. We're out of time. 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This product contains nicotine nicotine is an addictive chemical. Playoff. If I can't day of cowboy game. Tom playoff when and self. Come on. Now. Fit. Tv a kid. Win win a playoff K. Stephen you're headed back. Talen me here. The boss the boss day. Rob is actually called me on a Sunday morning. And then me Danby to go back to death. Excuse me. Excuse me. Like, hey, you pick this Thursday to ask me to go back. That's an easy one taking raw they're going to get beat up more than happy to show up in Dallas, Texas this Thursday morning. Just to remind Dallas cowboy fans coming out. He wants to now show is the playmaker going to be there. I don't know. But I. He got dehydrated. Catholic. He might not show. He might be scared and might be scared the show, but I will tell you on this last time. I was dead. I told the cowboy fans you lose the tendency you're gonna lose the Tennessee at what happened, and I'm telling you at vets you got to lose all leads, and I said another. What I'm wanting? I'll tell you is Rhode defenses this year on Thursdays or bad, and that vaunted saints run defense against Ezekiel Elliott is going to be interesting. How about the good? They're going to get. They're not going to be in the house loving every moment of it. Every moment of it. They care. Now we doing ladder. Thank you everybody. Welcome back. The first take where you live from above behind river deck here at pier. Seventeen. Here's the deal. They eagles snap a two game losing streak and the comeback win over the G men, crushing my heart. Philly is now five and six one game high in Washington in Dallas for first place in the NFC. Stephen do you still have Philly winning the division? Yes. Yes. I do. I don't like the way they're looking please. Don't get me wrong. I'm not blind. I'm not I'm not sold on the Philadelphia Eagles from the standpoint that you know, they look like a shallow themselves compared to what they look like last year. I get it defensively they've had issues. I was very concerned when they were down one thousand nine hundred three yesterday. No question about losing. Pat, Shurmur would make it so easy for me. He'd forget to give saquon Barkley the ball in the second half heat. Forget Odell Beckham Julia altogether. I didn't realize that was Puerto del triple then. Except for when the exactly so I didn't realize those things are going to happen. But then again, you take the victories that you could take the eagles needed to get over the hump. I love the fact that Malcolm Jenkins had an interception. He needed that. He the tea out kid, call a team out did get birth and looking everywhere else and coverage you've got to show up. All right. He did that. So I'm very very proud of that at the end of the day, they found it. It's got a little run again with Adams's. Well, the offensive line played relatively well. In the second half, the deacons kept it simple that basically frustrated the living hell out Odell Beckham Judy because they made manning looking at different direction. No-one Pat Shurmur probably wouldn't figure it out. What you did it. And as a result they wanna game. But in the end what it comes down to this is the NFC east. I'm not trying to sit up there and bloviate about the eagles. Like, there's something special. I'm talking about the NFC east not being that special. Well, let's see gives anyone a chance even the giants yesterday. But guys the giants are terrible team. They squeak by to bad teams, recently and people got their hopes up and willing me, right? And a one yesterday max ultimately ultimately on although Beckham alternately who've won because their quarterback is the worst quarterback starting quarterback in football kind of by four like that was such a stupid throw a veteran quarterback. That's inexcusable. I understand. He's not accurate. I understand. He doesn't have arm strength. I understand he's mobile you at least have to not make the Domus decision. You could possibly make on the field saquon Barkley open no-one within ten or fifteen yards. We even when a guy's one yard from him. It's a touchdown. When we get a field goal. You might you probably going to get a touchdown out of that play. Anyway, you told to Dell soft zone. Triple idiotic. Okay. The eagles aren't good. They squeak by a bad giants team who handed them the game guys. This is not the same eagles from last year period. The Super Bowl hangover was real. Also, let me tell you something Peterson has to show that it was not offering. Right, right. Like, you gotta show when you lose your coordinator Bill Parcells coach, no one disputes it. But without Bill Belgium, wasn't quite the same. Right. It turned out Belgium's really really really good. Let's see what let's see what Peterson can do without his coordinator. Right. Let see because it has not been the same this year they're down. And by the way, even with all that what I just said about the giants. If it wasn't for the worst run defense. Maybe you will ever see then then the eagles don't win the game yesterday. Like, they're just not good guys. They still have to go to the Rams. They still got two games against Washington figure. They split those. They got the Cowboys. But it's on the road making Cowboys and not thinking they win at least one against the red tape that they had it in. He goes attacked back on the only one. Only one game out and they play the Redskins and the Cowboys and three of those games. That's why I tried to lose to the giants playing football right now. And I feel like in this juncture of the season you're going into kind of playoff mode. You're you're trying to get your team together frigging out who you have. And you should be playing at a high level right now going into January actually going into December and into January. If you see yourself winning division going into the playoffs. They're just not playing a good brand of football right now and the team with the most momentum in the NFC is right now. Unfortunately, I hate to say is the Cowboys. I mean, they're playing well, they got big place over the. I agree with you, which makes it even sweeter. What's going to happen to the Thursday, actually? I think the Cowboys through. I don't think they'd do anything in the playoffs, obviously. But I do think the Cowboys have the most momentum and look the best in the NFC east, which is a pretty poor division going in to make the player plays focused on the giants for a second because I need some explaining. So they lead by eight points at the half. Do we remember this in Philly, but produce only a single field goal in the second half saquon Barkley at fifteen touches in a monster first-half, but then only five in the second Odell Beckham had five catches in was targeted only nine times while playing against eagles backups. Odell. I don't call the place. I just do what I'm told to do and go out there and execute whenever I get up to do some I try and make the most of it. If I don't have them up -tunities, all I can do is is what I came when I do have an opportunity. So as more of a question for coach, you know, coming in knowing that they struggled in the secondary. Personally. I would I would have loved to attack them. But it wasn't in our game plan. A game plan. What's your biggest issue with Odell comment issue with Odell comment? So Dell's trying to tell you what is painfully obvious the giants right now or a backwards organization by that. I mean, they're looking backward. The problem with the giants. You can see it. What did I say about Seattle? You can't count them out. Great coach great quarterback Pete Carroll's approve and coach. And obviously Russell Wilson's approving quarterback. Even the Steelers whatever other problems, they have they got Tomlin. They got rothlisburger. Obviously the patriots right by the way the chiefs Andy Reed's, proven, right? The giants or the kind of organization that that that is bad right now because they have a bad coach and bad quarterback. And why do they have a bad coach of bad quarterback? Which is really what Dell is saying basically because they hire they make hires and decisions based upon what makes them comfortable as a franchise. They are conservative. They are backward-looking. They are not forward-looking. They're not a progressive organization. They're not so. Well, who would you hire? If not Shurmur let me tell you who has Johnson who's killing it Frank, right? Has a job. Maybe has a job day has a job. Good organizations. Don't try to give themselves a certain feeling they actually do the scouting. And they do the processing and their own brains and take that coordinator he can play in the modern NFL the giants go. Let's find a GM who gives us the right kind of feeling like an old school GM. They hire that guy. How about a tested coach? Yeah. But he's failed the tests. Forget about going for these failed the tests in the past. He's going to pass the test going forward. These new ones. We'll hire him. He gives us a good feeling. We'll stay with the quarterback the veteran. He gives us a good feeling. Who cares? What kind of feeling he gives you do the work of actual evaluation? Make decisions based on that. And you can go forward Odell Beckham and saquon Barkley, obviously ready to win in the NFL. But the coach and the quarterback clearly no longer the coach back. No longer can the coach never did. I will tell you that. I thought that Odell Beckham junior had valid points because three members of the. Philadelphia Eagles secondary way out. And so if you got three members of the secondary out you're playing against backups. You're all Dell Beckham junior find that man. I do understand where he's coming from the flip side to it is that I think the most agreed just thing. Sherman day was not getting saquon Barkley the ball in the second. That's the most agreed just yesterday. You can make legitimate argument. The eagles were double and triple teaming Odell Beckham junior. So guess what we got saquon Barkley who was rushing the football affectively and making things happen. Make sure we get him the ball in the second half. He doesn't touch the ball five times in the second half. That's simply inexcusable, but here's where I have to go away from Dell veteran junior max in this regard. And I'll bring this to you. Like, oh del Beckham junior lie, and I'm not I don't find anything that he has said in the past nor at this moment wrong. But just because you're speaking truth doesn't mean you're right to do it. Because what if the giants took the attitude less speak the truth about Dell Beckham do we don't know what we might find out what he said he could have easily said to co-chairmen what he said he could have easily said to get him. What he said he could have easily said tomorrow who seems to call them an office once a month to seemingly to have a conversation with him about the optics of things or what have you? That's what the New York Giants are talking about. Now, you might sit up the and say max, you might sit up there and say Vick, you know, what hell would all of that. Because he's speaking the truth. I will remind y'all y'all all giants fans not just because of their level of productivity, but the manner in which they've conducted, they're all. Organization for many years. The fact that he's willing to deviate from that could be problematic because there's a reason God's like Shurmur love somebody like saquon Barkley because take one boggling goes out, the balls has very little to say publicly about everybody else. And that's where it gets a bit dicey. So he's not wrong. He's not false. But does it make it right for you to say that publicly? It's a question. I don't have an answer because the level of frustration as it might be necessary. I get it. I'm just don't know. I just don't get it. And it's definitely frustration and Max's turn and looking at me like he's the guy you have to answer this question. Victor, you're the guy, but I think it's just pure frustration. And like you said Stephen A does he have the right to say it? I think he does I think he should be saying he's saying it to the wrong people. He's saying it to the media and the people were microphones in his face and needs to be saying it to the front office. Okay. We'll upstairs that's the conversations. He needs to be having with them. Now. The only thing that I have a problem with obviously is the lack of. Production in the second half. When you have a lead or you're playing almost dominant style football in the first two quarters of that game. And then in the second half, you just have you don't give saquon the ball five touches that's unacceptable on look the reason I bring up a larger issue here about the coaching and the higher the higher of the GM the higher of the coach the keeping of the quarterback is there's a reason that the giants didn't start an African American quarterback until last year, Gino Smith when they benched Eli right? Interestingly, and maybe not coincidentally that an African-American GM. Now, I thought that was a bad idea because I don't think much of genome, but I don't think it's actually a racial issue as a racial issue per se. I think it's a racial issue reflecting a basic conservative philosophy about the way, they run the organization which has served them well throughout much of their history. But also now come back to bite them. They do when I say when I say general they cast in their minds the giants there's a French that looks that feels like a GM that feels or looks like a coach. Or a quarterback when you do that those kind of easy generalizations to make yourself feel better. You're getting out of doing work. That's where stereotyping comes from. That's why the Rooney rule is important because you don't get African American hires a coach in less people, see them. Oh that looks like a coach now to me. Right. And now it opens up a door. The giants have to stop taking the easy way out. I'm not talking racial or social issue here. I mean as as an organizational philosophy stopped taking the easy way out and doing the easy thing that makes you feel good because it reminds you of something start doing the real work of finding of a valuating talent and putting them in. But what did you say to the fact that they've been conservative all these years and they've won two Super Bowls in the last thing. Like what what do you say to that? Because that conservative approach has won two Super Bowls in recent. I said it it served them well in certain respects in the past. Although there were other points in their history. This is a deeper issue in a bigger issue. I'd like to get into we just don't think. Right now month any Collins, even with the Browns former head coach on its sideline the Bengals drop their third straight game losing to Cleveland thirty five to twenty two since he we go. Hugh Jackson just hired by the Bengals on November twelve second quarter action Brown sitting twenty one to nothing to mayors. Randall intercepts Andy Dalton pass and he has to his former coach hue Jackson yet and Jackson tapping Reynolds helmet, then to thirty left in the second Browns. Still with the same lead may finds Nick Chubb who catches it behind. Brandon Wilson side for the touchdown Chubb second touchdown of the game. The Browns they go on to win this one with the final score thirty five to twenty eighth of explain why he didn't really want to talk to his former coach. Lift Cleveland goes in Cincinnati. That's just somebody that was in our locker mask and for us to play for him. And then goes through different team. We played twice a year. Everybody can have spin on it. But that's how I feel. It's just like any rivalry game. That's just how it is. Now. That's how I'm gonna treat. It every time we plan. But it's nothing. You know, there's no hate. That's just how it is. That's I'm gonna treat it. And I think that's our team street it two for more. Here's I take. It's finally clear. Hi, Damian Baker does know that he got fired. Right. He he is clear. What that's where I was going to go with this. I don't find what he said to be a laughing matter. I don't like it one bit. I really think that was real ignorant on a part of Baker Mayfield. Hugh Jackson was fine. Was he supposed to do? I mean, how do you? How do you make a statement like understand, you know, it might be you trying to ingratiate yourself to the Cleveland community to show them you all land, and you know, anybody else that's not a part of this team. They're the enemy. I get all of that. But he's treating Hugh Jackson like Hugh Jackson quick on this team Jackson was fight. So rather than him. Go home and just collect money from the Cleveland Browns organization for doing nothing says he got by it he decides to try to salvage his career as an NFL coach by going to coach at Cincinnati under his friend Marvin Lewis because if you are Hugh Jackson, and what was your record three and three thirty six and one you lucky if you get any kind of job from anybody after that, you've got to take a job as soon as you could get one because who knows whether or not you're going to have another opportunity not to mention the fact that if you are Marvin Lewis who should be on his way out. Hugh Jackson is somebody that they're talking about miraculously my end up possibly being the head. He's supposed to sit home and do nothing. He's opposed to turn down that job. I'm just saying if you Baker Mayfield it's like listen on. To stand nine touchdowns just one in the -ception complete seventy four percent of your passes since Hugh Jackson left. You talked about the play call them. But you absolve Todd get Todd Haley. So basically, you will pointing the finger at Hugh Jackson, not really being a good play. Call even Todd. Haley was calling some of the place. But he was eight, but, but but but Baker was blaming Hugh Jackson and absolve Todd Haley, that's a different discussion for another day. All I'm trying to say is damn he got fired. What are you willing to have that discussion today? Let's have it right now. Sure, you're not wrong. If you're Hugh Jackson or anyone you take the job the best job available. Right. Of course. But the only job, right? But the and by the way, he might be live to get away with not untalented. Here's the problem. You are taking Baker Mayfield far too, literally. You're actually looking at the words that interpreting the precise. Meaning instead of what's underneath. He does not like Hugh Jackson. Obviously the question to me the larger question is is that justified, and let me tell you why I think it is. And I love this Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield is next level petty. Competitive and in a draft where you were expecting him at first it was like is he going to be top ten or fifteen. He small people don't know Sam darnold checks, more boxes and everything. The Browns were like, no, we're going to go ahead. And then take the guy who is the best player. We're not book covering here. We're actually going to get the best guy. Sam darnold started for the jets week one. Not Baker Mayfield. It was tyrod Taylor. I thought that was a mistake of any quarterback seemed to be ready to go. It was Baker Mayfield. But he has to sit there on the bench. Then he finally gets a chance to play guys. Do you realize since Hugh Jackson left? Baker Mayfield has the second highest quarterback rating in the world next to drew Brees. Hey, entirely left to you. He's not but he's going at coach. So where are the feelings for him? See what I mean, he a guy who was up close and saw it all unfold has feelings about Hugh Jackson. And that tells you what story is at least make feels point of view. Baker Mayfield is so good, ladies and gentlemen. This dude hit the ground in the NFL running. And he feels I'm gonna from his point of view clearly that he and his team were kept down by Hugh Jackson. And he's mad about it. I love Baker Mayfield this read between the lines here. This is the web out the way he feels not about the way he thinks Baker Mayfield needs to grow up. This is pro football dealing with grown men things happen in pro football. People get fired go to other go to all the players get cut. They go to they go to rivals. They haven't as all the time. Coach get fired. He decides to pick up a job available job. That's that's there. Marvin Lewis, obviously, you know, reach out to though. And what I found funny about this whole thing may feel Texas Texas Tech. From two Oklahoma two teams in the big twelve. But you want to argue you wanna talk about you want. This has been growing meant trying to pay all he's talking about God trying to pay bills. You went from one rival to base into another and the same conference. So like, I said match you talk about Baker. He's he's Bali's ball in these last couple of weeks or whatever. But this whole comedy shows are immature. He is needs to grow up. Let me say this to you max. I don't wanna hear that about reading between the lines reading underneath the surface at some point in time. We get to quote you. Now, if we heard it third hand or we read in the newspaper, and you know, how as reported you got eight hundred where I would know this you writing an article, you got eight hundred words somebody gives you like six hundred work there Britain ho, quote, I get all of that not here. Max that's only camera. He looked into the Keri got asked the question, he answered it directly. I am allowed and everybody is allowed to look at his words. Die Rakkli what he said verbatim. No editing out or anything we he's right there. And he sat up there and said, you just go take another job, and you know. He said you were in this locker room. And clearly you was with us. We wait you'll get that from he was with you. So what you are. So this is this is my promise. The reason I'm interpreting interpreting the emotion and not just taking moon literally as you guys are what you're taking away. From this whole experience is Baker Mayfield has some growing up to do because what I'm taking away from. It is Baker Mayfield is next level competitive. He doesn't like Hugh Jackson because he felt he was kept down. And this is a man who's not trying to be. But that's what Damian Dame you talked about growing up. I'm saying damn that was vicious and low yet, you say think about what I'm what I'm saying is I hear for ten dollars. Lettuce him needing to grow a fine. I don't have a problem with that. I'm saying dampness cruel. The man got fired. He got five worry about your feelings or huge. We understand that. But there are no no he's not just trying to win because they just want. So you tried to do it. You just did it. And why and after you did it then you sat up there and try to literally excoriate the man by saying he wasn't here for he was head coach, but he wasn't down with us. That's wrong, man. And he died. But that was low. Losing their job, Stephen as you alluded to it. So apparently Marvin Lewis, no secret. You haven't been a fan of the job that he's done with the team. So now, here's the deal with the Bengals they've lost three in a row and five of their last six this even eighteen twenty four and one over the last three seasons and your favorite stat. Lewis has never wanna playoff game since becoming head coach in two thousand three we've heard rumors that potentially Hugh Jackson could get the job. You guys mentioned that today what should the Bengals do with Lewis? What's today's? Oh vendor. Twenty six twenty eight teams. What time is it right now eleven twenty-seven lever. Twenty seven eastern time. Marvin Lewis should be fired before the top of the out. And I'm not playing he should have been going. This man, his his six teeth year on the job and does not have one single playoff victory in six teen years to show for it. I challenge anyone in America to show me any profession. I don't give a damn if this a sanitation worker signing to take out garbage give me one perfection. Country where you get to come up short for sex stage train games, six eighth straight sex, change straight. There is no excuse for this, man. That'd be the head coach of the Cincinnati. Biggest. And by the way, that's something that I wanted to say because this is along the line. So we can come up where you were talking about. You were talking about the giants whatever I take heat from the black community in all seriousness because I'm accused of selling now because I call out Marvin Lewis, I don't give a damn, you know, why don't give a damn because there's plenty of coaches, white black Hispanic and beyond who have aspirations of being the head coach in the NFL. There's only thirty two of those jobs if you leave a man in that position for sixteen years it doesn't win a playoff game. What ruled could they ever be anybody else? So you any it's out there who would have a problem with me calling him out rocks. That man should be fired. But a top of the hour. This is a disgrace that the city of Cincinnati has tolerated. This man for that long. I swear to you. If I if I was a radio hosted in Cincinnati. I'd be calling for boycott pickles. That's how serious I am about it. He should have been going. Can you make yourself clear about this issue? Please. I don't think I was I felt that Marvin Lewis I felt this way about Schottenheimer in the playoffs years ago. He made a few bad decisions basically got unlucky. And I felt Marvin Lewis was not a great coach. But he was good enough one and he'd gotten a little bit unlucky. I think about the year that Andy Dalton got hurt couple years ago when I felt they had an actual chance to advance in the playoffs. There are very well balanced team. I thought they were well coached. And I thought Andy Dalton showed lots of signs of life under pressure situations. Prime time games, you know, stuff like that fourth quarter comebacks I felt that here they go Dalton gets hurt. Then they let Whitworth sign away with the Rams. So the he loses protection the they come back and last year. I thought let's see what they can. Do. It looked like they were on the verge of doing something. The jury is in right there. It's it's over for Marvin Lewis. The question is if you want to seriously compete the question is now you do it now or do you do it at the end of the season. I don't see an upside of doing it. Now, particularly when the guy who seems poised to take over an interim basis. Jackson. So so I hear you. I'm now with you on Marvin Lewis, but I would do it at the end of the season. The Bengals are like you said one in five in the last six games. The only win it's come against a laughable Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They've lost back to back games. Two rookie quarterbacks. Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield. You know, how laughable that is? And I'm not laughing at the rookie quarterback's. But you're supposed to be a defensive minded coach who by the way fired his defense. A coordinator they have gotten worse on defense with him calling the place. Do you think that's the Hugh Jackson hires to save his job? They've gotten gotten worse on defense. It seems fire to real Austin. Okay. You lose back back to that week's against working quarterback. And we should expect you to keep your job. Why didn't answer the Bengals keep this, man? All right now, he hasn't done now. It'd be right now until the at the end of the season. I would cut listen he'd be. Let's listen before before twelve Browns the Browns made the move the Browns made a move and look what's happened with the Browns. And by the way, you could use it as an opportunity to see what Hugh Jackson could give you with that talent. And see what happens you could do that not saying I'm invited in. But you could do it. Here's my whole point. And I'm dead serious about this. We you are an organization that has a coach in that position in you keep him employee. You're saying to the city keep giving us your money like the suckers, you are with fine. Because we don't prioritize winning what we'll do is. We'll try to cook. Cumulate some talent. We'll try to be respectable. Okay. But then we don't win anything in the postseason. So what we want your money, but we're not going to try to maximize anything here because we're comfortable. This is what they have done to the city of Cincinnati Cincinnati is deserved better. They been treated like a bunch of suckers as far as I'm concerned, you should they should. Show up. They they should not show up to watch a bigger. So you'll let them play in front of an eighty. So you're bigger issue. Own a Mike Brown for tolerate had an instrument hair. I'm one of those guys like. How much the playoff? Having considered IS repeatedly stated. Marvin Lewis has won a playoff game at sixteen years. I never say he didn't get to win seven times. He's Owen seven as a head coach. You you six teen. Yes. Let me ask you a question. Molly, cute broader, Frank. Well, let's play devil's advocate. Can you give me one profession in the United States of America where you get to be that mediocre for sixteen years? Janet, I told. Janet, I told. One thing about this. There's plenty. Louise what I'm saying? Jabba point never point. Okay. Fine. Fine. That's about it. There is no profession in this country in this country sixteen. I mean, there's a lot of people that are bad at their jobs and keep their gentlema- sixteen years. You know, what you know, who those people are there, low low level individuals that nobody knows that kids whether they exist, the not, but when you're in a position that matters. You don't get to beat it. But sixteen. You weren't going to bring it up before. What's it this difference between you calling for Bengals fans to kind of vote with their pocketbooks right now right with their wallets? And when I say, the same thing about the Nixon Dolan, what I was saying is I never bring up the owner because the owner, you know, you cutting the checks, and you can't you can't. You can't you can't you can't say, right? That's why always tell you about. It's not that you were wrong about dole. And I'm like that's just exercising. If you typically he ain't going to get rid of himself. But my Brown has the power to get rid of Louis. How come it hasn't happened? This disgrace Marvin Lewis, it's disgraceful. Let me tell you something, please. Now, I'm saying I'm saying if the owners saving money by the coach said this, Molly, I've never said Marvin Lewis doesn't deserve to be a head coach. I said you shouldn't be in the same place for sixteen years with that level of ineptitude and keep that job. That's my problem with this. And I think it's disgraceful that he has remained the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals. I think it's out to give you basically gave Cincinnati is the middle finger. You really do. It's disgraceful. It really is. Would you like to get the job? No. I mean, I'd like to see q get a job. But do I believe no disrespect? The man was right here. Do I believe the Hugh Jackson desserts, a head coach? Ching job. No, I think Marvin Lewis put Hugh accent. But I think he could be that he made it till the end of this season. So what did Marvin Lewis put Hugh Jackson there to make sure that Marvin? That's why you know, those blink motion activated security cameras. Yeah. Hoped would go on sale. Just did. It's the blink black Friday cyber Monday sale with huge savings now through Monday. Blink cameras are motion activated when they detect someone snooping around you get an alert on your smartphone with an HD clip and blinks live feed option, let you monitor your home pets and package deliveries. Visit blinkprotect dot com slash radio. That's blinkprotect dot com slash radio or hit Amazon and search blink camera. Chargers. Get back on track after blowing out the car Shield's in LA filters had three touchdown passes. And Melvin Gordon added another two on the ground. He did get banged up. River started the game with medical records twenty five straight. Completions charges are now eight and three type for the second. Best record in the A F C state. Ready to admit you are wrong about the LA charges. I wanna do wrong. What would I do that? What did I say? I'm sorry. What did I say? I said the Los Angeles chargers. I don't believe would make any noise in the postseason. I'm sorry. It was suppose these. Was supposed to be a woman missing was supposed season the post season. It's January November are we? So as a regular season. Getting in look good. I'm proud to be Linden the job to these doing. I love what I'm seeing from Philip rivers. Melvin gordon. He comes back to come back. And he's healthy. We'll see what he does Keenan Allen and the and the Williams brothers. I get that they're brothers. But they're both named Williams. We know what they can do offensively and defensively we're both back in. We'll see what happens but for dick. They're gonna lose in Kansas City a game that I'm thinking about going to December thirteenth I've been invited. I'm thinking they're gonna lose compose these 'cause they're gonna be one the road. This is how good the chargers are they lose Melvin Gordon. They got they got they got a real good running back still. They didn't have both of them Derwin James like these serving J J guys are so good that they lost the game to the chart to chief to start the season. They should have won because all the receiver's dropping passes. They still got eight. This is a ten or eleven win team this year ten or eleven when as your question are there. Eleven when teams that losing wild card and divisional playoff games. Sure. There are chargers. I think are the best balanced team in the AFC true. Sure. Who will go home early? Well, Philip rivers gotta come through in the clutch in the playoffs that Saint Philip rivers. Missed the playoffs. Eight seven got that one. Okay. I'm just saying I'm just checking. I'm just saying I'm just I'm just check check. Let's talk about Andrew lock. He leads the coal to a comeback win over the Finns. It was the ace straight game for luck where he's thrown for at least three touchdowns max all the way back to his elite form because we're concerned this guy may never ever better than ever because he's got an excellent head coach. Now, look the question with Andrew luck at first he comes out consecutive draft number one overall pick him and Cam Newton who's going to be better. Cam Newton gets to a Super Bowl and everything. I still think Andrew luck will be the better will will will be better than Cam Newton. Will remember him as a better quarterback? When all of a sudden done, then the question is would he ever be there with Rogers ingredient, those guys those guys are much older than him? Drew brees. And then as he's hurting he's in a bad organization with a bad coach and everything and you see like here comes Carson Winston now. Jared golfing and Mahomes, right here, they come. Let me say this. This is how back Andrew luck is Andrew luck will fulfill his prophecies Stephen he will spend time in his career as the number one quarter. Back in football. That day is coming. Andrew luck will fulfil that potential. He'll be the best player in the game one day not too long from now. I don't disagree. I love what I'm seeing from him right now. He's completing a record sixty percent of his passes. He's on pasty clips to forty touchdowns that he'd threw in the twenty fourteen sees all ready got thirty thirty two on the year with a few games to go. I love what I'm seeing from Andrew luck. But one portly than that. Here's what I'm thinking about. I am so pleased with what earth say has done with do all in terms of making Chris Ballard the GM then get rid of Greg. And obviously Ghana was going Frank, right? It's been a tremendous high. Frank right has been so good as the head coach. You got an offensive line. That's protecting angel. Keeping right keeping them protected and not only that Nelson real deal about number six the I know the real deal without question. But what I love about them is that you got a organization that has this is who Andrew luck is. He's our franchise. Let's protect him. Let's do what we can put him in position to win. Frank Reich is doing fine for them to get. It's time for them to get ballot though. 'cause Bala just got you. That's the point. So you've got Frank right with an offensive line. Led by ballad getting these guys got enough of London's protecting them the Andrew lucked clearly can throw the football. The play calling has been exceptional. And you got an organization that's got this team pain into the right direction. I think Indianapolis might catch Houston and win the division. I think they got a shot cause they out a bit offense. Can I ask you a question? It's clearly he's doing more with less. What's the difference between him and this team in the Packers right now coaching? Yeah. Do you think it's actually a better? Team on paper, or do you think? It's better. It's better coaching. And there's similar certain ways in the Packers. Do have standouts at on the on the offensive line. It's coaching. You can see it with Andrew luck. You don't have to look at the Packers. And of course, listen they brought him percent to throw a hail Mary early in the season didn't have to do that anymore with look, but it's coaching in Green Bay. We don't know. The jury is still out because he just got started around the same time ballad did, but at the end of the day what we're looking at out say is because the combination of coaching, and and your executive position in terms of the personnel that they provide you with Aaron Rodgers is not being taken care of by Green Bay the way. Andrew luck is subtly Roy Jones say coach as Roy Jones said on his record, y'all must've forgot when it comes to Andrew look, y'all must've forgot that's a bad, man. It's good to see him healthy. That's for sure. That was only. That would be Joe flacco. Lamar Jackson starts at wins. It has the ravens crushed the raiders. Lamar grade on the ground is seventy one yards rushing. Touchdown but struggle passing only one hundred seventy eight yards and two picks did have a passing touchdown. So here's the question should commit to Jackson as the starter over. Joe flacco next season, you'd think yes, he should be the starter. It's not because I think Jackson's a long term solution at quarterback in the NFL. I don't he is running quarterback. You could see it in college. I don't think he'll consistently the accuracy down the field. And I think when you play out of the the temptation the temptation for Lamar Jackson the pickup first downs with his legs all the time. I think we'll stunt his growth as a pocket passer anyway, because it's always vailable to him because he can run like that. But I think that he is below the cutoff line to my I as a guy where I saw on college that he's going to be a good pro. You know, nevertheless, right now, it's the best quarterback. They got he's young. They spent the first round draft pick on them. And you ride them as far as take it for as long as you can't. I got news for you. I think that first of all. They should make this Lamar Jackson era. And I'm not ruling out the possibility that he could be their quarterback for the future. I'll watch this guy. Yes. They albeit against Oakland. Standing in the pocket and throw some pretty nice passes. Was he consistent? No. He was not consistently completed fourteen of twenty five paths. I get that. But some of those throws were really good throws. We know what a threat he is with his feet. And because he's that threat. You have to be honest as a defense, you gotta have a spy out there on the field watching them more Adam move, Mark Jackson wherever he goes. As a result that takes personnel away from your secondary, which leaves other guys open for Hoffa -tunities, we cannot ignore that into. I think and not only that I would say this to you. Lamar Jackson is one of those guys as shows me. He's only going to get better. I don't see stagnancy when I see him. I see him as being a guy that's going to go here. Because I it depends. Me wrong. So far, maybe Lamar will leave it. Yep. We don't know if we don't know of HAMAs gonna survive we got see but Lamar Adams Jackson on his own. I got faith in this kid. Well, listen campy flacco anymore. Right. Can't be flying anymore. Who knows what direction they are going to go. In anti doping agency has informed. John Jones of essential anti-doping policy violation. The fight has been removed from the fight card. He's got the chance to prove himself and a center or being called guilty. But if it's true, obviously, super super disappointing. Dana why has told Okamoto, and it's confirmed that John Jones has failed drug tests. I mean, we're not just talking about any taper this event needed. John jones. It's real feeling in Las Vegas right now is supposed to be great. We seems like completely different person carries himself the things that he's done. And then this happens. This happens. She wants. Being labeled with someone who would ever gene pursue more than anything else? Have you been? He is one of the most talented fighters in the world and one of the most dynamic in the octagon. But as you just heard our next guest hasn't fought since we're trying to reclaim his victory. The light heavyweight title last July against Daniel Cormie that overturned because of the failed drug tests. John good to have you back with us fighting again, December twenty nine between Las Vegas t mobile arena. Yes. All right. Dan decor, me, I talk some trash can I tell you what he said. And then I want you to issue. We're getting ready to cash out. Yeah. We have. So this is what he said. Here we go again, Johnny boy, I off you did nothing wrong in we're innocent. Then you'd never been suspended. You've had to stand before these people and arbitrator so many times it's insane. So you slipped again how many times can one man slip? Gimme reaction. My reaction is you know. What is my reaction to that? Can we swear we swear? Korea. Right dare you're cormier. Can use that word. That's my my last situation was it was a terrible situation. You know, there type of thing wasn't an allegation. I did have. Trace amounts terrorism. My body. Thank goodness. You side of went through the whole process to prove my innocence. Through science. We were able to prove that there was a very trace amount of terrorism. My body one of the one of the people said the amount amounts. There is in John's body was taking a pinch of salt and throwing it into an Olympic sized swimming pool. But what was it doing there in the first place? And that's something that we we have no clue how it got into my body. We did everything in our power to figure out how it got into my body where this came from spent thousands of thousands of dollars through all this testing against supplements. That's able we were still able. Were not able to figure out. Where would you think? If you heard some an athlete, you're watching TV flipping channels, and you heard Netflix. I have no idea how the steroids got in my body. Well, I think what you do is is you you look at you look at the science you instead of taking instead of taking that it'd be an judging and just saying, oh, well, this guy's lying because he's always been a winner. And you look at the science, and you saw it as a credible drug test and agency they always have been they've tested, Lance Armstrong, and and just just lots of great athletes the highest level athletes throughout history, and they don't make mistakes. So the fact that I'm here Becky fighting is is is because they don't make mistakes, and that was able to be fair innocent fair enough because you're back, and I'm happy to see you back. Let me say that having said all of that. I mean, you got guys like Rashad Evans have called you out. You've got Dan you call me who is called you out. I mean my God before he got knocked senseless by Tito Ortiz. Just the other day you had. The agent do chocolate. Dell call you up. It seems like everybody is calling you out now because their attitude is you are not what we all thought. You questioning you what do you say that? I think it's great, man. I think it's great. You know, I've been every degrade things in this sport. And and unfortunately, I had a hiccup situation. And I'm grateful to be able to that you cited came on prove my innocence by saying, hey, this was a little bit of misunderstanding. And it just goes to show it goes to show how dominant I've been in the sport. You don't wanna talk to that for a second you or the guy who we all saw and said that's the highest peak anyone's ever hit. That's not the same thing as saying the greatest fighter ever that dude. If you have out of the ring problems, and that affects your performance, Mike Tyson was once thought of that way, right right now because of the steroid stuff if you go out there and don't perform at the same left. They're going to say you were going to say, what are you feeling about that your place in history? What do you have to go out there and do right now what the Jews I gotta go out there? And be exactly who I am exactly. Who I've always been? I know in my spirit that I've never cheated the sport. Like, I said you said it was able to prove that it was such a trace amount that it had no effect on my performance. I've always passed every drug test, and you still be the best fighter in the sport. I am the best player in this always have been good as you ever work. Nothing's changed. So I should performing. The way that I've always. Give a bigger chip on your shoulder. You feel like this time to kind of prove everybody wrong. I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like people always wanted to kind of say, well, the reason why he's so good is because his brothers are in the NFL or you so good because he has really long arms or he's so, you know, people always making excuses for for my success. And so did you say in your this guy is actually really intelligent? He has a really good fight IQ. And this is what makes him a champion. I feel like I have a lot of prove. I've always had a lot to prove. I feel every great athlete. I guess we get to see you do it December twenty nine you're going to bring it. Absolutely John back. Again, fair call me, I wanna see that again for for the right? Yeah. We'll see the victory. Technology truth brought to you by cold. Truth teenagers can communicate entirely in emojis. How live birthday party? 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"Oh, man, will you raptors are out long six one hundred Spurs Yeltsin Orrin Sloan Stevens. National team star. And of course, Tennessee jar. Yeah. It's a big game going on right now on ESPN Sodano six rocking and rolling on the sideline. We are actually in right now in Chemnitz. Julie Stewart beings Kirk Morrison because Sodano is on the sidelines in Toronto as it all does do sports bar ever been to by the way, which real sports get isn't. It's literally you walk in there. And it's. The Jumbotron or the television when you walk in is probably about the big as a the front side of Staples. Like in the bar. Yes. It's incredible. The best robber into North America. The inside the arena. Right. But it's it's it's fun. And of course, this being a game the raptors versus the Spurs that means that George had to do the sideline report with Gregg Popovich. And we have that sound era. Gregg Popovich of the San Antonio, Spurs emotion, obviously tonight with the Mars return. How do you Billy's performed in the first quarter is done? Well. Well, I feel like I've come out ahead here. Do you want to send it on this one? I was looking forward to a second question. Okay. But we can do that Derek Whyte has plagued with her son in a while. How do you how close did you monitors minute's pretty closely? Thank you. Appreciate a fun. Yeah. No doubt. Same. Here's back to you guys. There you go. And shannon. Georgia's talking about this about a week ago. About was nervous this moment a little bit. He just wants to make sure he's a head of the game was like is this like the like the rite of passage like a young. Cubs. I think it definitely is one thing. Sodano did really? Well, there is I mean he's been thinking about it like Mike say, but he entered at realize you could see that he realized this is a game to some degree like we're playing a game. This is what pop does I'm not gonna get out. Now at love like you gotta play it. Somehow if you go into it looking for an actual interview, right? Ain't gonna work. So find some angle and Saddam was like look I'm gonna play along. You don't want to do it. And it ended up pretty fan love that is like I was expecting a second question. Okay. And then he's ready to go for that. Right. Turn the tables on pop is it more like. Like a Knight. Who's just kinda sworn in? We know what the sword or was it like like the young cub like from Simba where he put like the little market for head. Like you. Tell me you tell me there. New Popovich of the San Antonio Spurs, a lot of emotion, obviously tonight with the Mars return Vilis performed in the first quarter is well, I feel like I've come out ahead here. Do you want to send it on this one? I was looking forward to a second question. Okay. But we can do that Derek Whyte has plagued with for some in a while. How do you how close did you monitor as minute's pretty closely? Thank you. Appreciate it fun. Yeah. No doubt. Same. Here's. Swordsmanship? And I think that's that's that's young Simba. That's that's a little Mark on the forehead. I will give him credit preparation. Was there? Ready already for. Yes. Yours ready. He was at bat yet. He had three more questions ready for I think that was more of a symbol moment. Because it was like you you looked up to I'm here in like when pop says, hey, this was fun. It was like cool. We can do it. Again. They have this report that have this going back in forth like like he likes him. You could tell these attention to stuff. And actually if you go into this thing, not intimidated by pop, right? Or also, just not frustrated by the fact that he recognizes honestly the sideline reports are wasted time. Correct. We were really being honest about this. You're never going to get any. I'm going to bounce back on that. Because I think that not all of them are wasted time. I mean, interviews like this. Okay. We get to see a little bit more fun personality. Whatever it's it's pop. Yes. Yes. To guess, I land report on air is. So so difficult you have to you have because I I've been asylum reporter, call triple rocky soccer to have your voice heard on air. You have to you are selling so hard, you producer. No, I can have this got more. I got my I got more. I looking at this right now, you're trying so hard to get any sentence on air. It has had to go through so many people got you rephrase. I don't think sideline for salary wants time. Right. Reporters persons are great. I try to get it down to the sideline reporter as much as possible. You'll wonderful wonderful chest, you I know that. I know that you're in. But I think it's hard. It's hard when you have that type of interview, right? When the first and third. It's easier for full death. Specifically what I'm talking about is interviewing someone where you have thirty seconds. And you know, that the person you're interviewing is thinking about everything. But that interview they're kind of a waste of time. We'll see I think it's easier lets you turn them into a game. Like what Saddam it's easier in college football because college football, we've already talked with the, you know, the the the Argyll like. It's like, hey, look, we're gonna get coach coming off, you know, coach come off the field going into halftime. And it us tell the other sports director. Hey, we want to get coach coming out of the locker room just a couple of quick questions. And then like bull. So we've the coaches already aware here in the NBA like, I don't know what the questions is. You know, the questions are in the first quarter the end of the first quarter. How'd you guys start? And in. Oh, the thing is like case for as base level. You probably aren't going to get riveting information out of an interview. But on the off chance and occasion that something crazy happens obviously, the Zion. Inter Ziya injury happened the other night, I know Maria Taylor was on the sidelines. She does such a great job, and it's very hard for her to get the information do control that. And they're the ones that tweeted it out and whatnot. But that's why you have someone down there and being able to look for signs and qs, and maybe you maybe you do grab the athlete trainer. And you hear them say, oh, it looks really bad. That's why. No, no. They sidelined hoarders. Play a really important. Julia one sideline reporters play. A really integral part of these games. And getting information out. I'm specifically just now about the. The silent importer ahead to to push back on that. Also. I know I've watched a lot of games of people in the go. This is so stupid these and to be honest. It's pretty sexist wanna hear eleven to. Oh, these ladies don't really know what they're talking about. Why why are they interrupting the flow of the game? I remember like I had a friend's dad say that to me this summer, and I'm like, listen to you. You don't know how hard these people were take get that one sentence on airs. It is. And we have prepared stories to our remember I've done interviews with like ten different players. And then you whittle an interview down to one line. And then you have these you have ten lines and you'd get one on air. So that's I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna use out fell by. Not cynical. You're wonderful. This isn't about me. This is about every hard working American. Okay. All right. Talking about people putting out their stories. Steve bomber put out his yesterday after the Lakers rockets game on TNT inside the NBA, and he made his pitch called his shot to the different free agents around the league why they should join the clippers. We got the greatest organization out there. Doc Rivers, Jerry, West Lawrence, Frank. You got an owner who will do anything in his power to support you and your success? You can live in the greatest, you know, this the greatest city for mask on the world, Los Angeles, California on that weather's pretty nice to boys and girls, we got great guys coming back. Great guys on our team and we're well positioned to win championships for number of years. What else can I tell you when you're living in a band? Steve bommer. That was a good pitch though. Passionate about it. And yeah, he. He doesn't mention any names. He didn't he just for ages. I'm just letting you know what you're getting yourself into. You're going to have owner who's going to give everything he's got an head coach. You've got players that want to be here. Trust me. That's that's the Pizzi in. I don't know if magic can do that. Living in. I could just see Magic's pitch. Oh, man. Look is purple and go baby come on over. This is what we say in banners over there. I won't have your name in banners over there that that works bomber is more like hands on like this should do. Is unique about him is being part of Microsoft, right? It you have to inspire younger people. He run he's trying to inspire younger free. Chart something new. That's something unique that he has a lot of this is going to come down to terms of clippers versus Lakers. Are you more interested in adding to that history of the Tiffany franchise that is the Lakers or are you interested in starting the new chapter of something brand something ski? Never happened before. Would be. Tiffany sub like typical used to be like diamond ELS better than that. Now, Jerry and ship faster. And who is that? Yeah. I mean, it's I would take the clipper seriously this offseason. That's all I'm gonna say all right coming up next. We're going to replay our conversation with John bones Jones, and it begins in a way that none of us expected. You're gonna wanna hear it Saddana show light Sodano show into Kim in its Julie Stewart beings Kirk Morrison, and we replay our earlier conversation with John bones Jones. He's going to be taken on Anthony Smith and UFC 235 next Saturday, March second T mobile arena long conversation, but we're going to pick it up from where we asked him. What music he's been listened to while training. Well, I'm a big Bob Marley fan. I've been listening to Bob Marley the majority much. If you go back on my answer gums age at Johnny von shot up tonight as the me going. If you if you came out. Beca my case and just watch any videos, heat boxing. You're only Bob Marley in the background. It's just I I love I love the five. I'm not wanting to like really heavy rack, and you have your own anything. Music. I really like calm vibe stuff. And and that's my my I came out to Queen. We have champion. I love the message in it. Because I pay my doom. I'm at the time. Champion. But committed no cry there it is. There we go. Like it. I've done. The message in feeding it was just talking about, you know, you know, making steaks, and sometimes you're not even innocent time for things. That's my situation was his the. You know, the steroids allegation uncle Dave hand that I've never done, right. You know, suspended for a year and a half or it. But anyways champion then scratching and bums right into the champion here. I thought it had a great message and the fans loved it. I think we're gonna come out the same message to next. I don't really know John you mentioned. Yeah. You mentioned the he mentioned you mentioned like as you've got noted maturing in the kids at home and things like that. Have have the kids actually tried to bring you in for show until at school yet. No, they don't get some school every day almost every day those kids by that and everything they get so excited and my daughter's thinking the coolest thing ever. And then as I'm learning and how. I'm learning, and I decided to write by the kids, you know, you know, just let them know that make sure approach of oh, I appreciate out get support stuff. And it was a diehard fan at my kids school. And there's a lot to me. You know, I'm interested. The the first guy who has a date one of my girlfriends. One, you know, maybe like getting autograph or something like that. John Bowes UFC two thirty five coming up next weekend taking on Anthony Smith, I remember years ago. John I did an interview with cowboy surroun-, and he was telling me about how he fought Nate D as in two thousand eleven and he was really angry through the whole fight, and it was really personal form. And it was one of the worst fights ever had because he let it get so personal. And now he's like reached a point where he could fight a guy and then afterwards go out to dinner with him. Like, it's really just that much business. Are you like that? Or is it more personal? From me. It's never been personal. And and I don't believe in fighting out of anger. I I've been one St. fight since I've been thrown fight it and that was going damn corn. Daniel for me, we fought in the lobby at 'em GM grant, not one of our best moments on, but yeah, I find out of anger, it causes your mind, and it doesn't allow you to actually process and use all your tools, I like to find out really out of love art for me. You know, I don't consider myself a violent person that really I know it sounds funny. Oh, you got everything that actually fight very non-confrontational. But but yeah. For me. It's definitely not personal. It's just something. I do for my family. And it's something that I feel I'm going to do the gate. And and yeah, I'm getting very dick doing well. John even just hearing, you speak, you'd never even really think that you're you're an enemy fighter and beaten guys up because you know, you just sound like such a nice friendly guy. But I gotta ask, you know, heard that you train and you fight in Mexico. Like, what is that place? Have what does that placement in Mexico? What has that place meant to your career? Yes. Training Albuquerque, New Mexico? And so interesting story, I got it down by Greg Jackson. He's widely considered one of greatest much streams. I'm really, and I'm like Greg's like, hey, John. I would love to come down. And check out my team in our tricky Mexico. And I said coach I love to just got to get a passport. That's awesome. Make fun of me to that. But kicking much goes great. You know, it's not really much to do in that city. It's a big fighter city, you know, Johnny tapioca from their Danny Romero, a Holly home. You know, there's so many great shot. Every so many great fighters was produced Albuquerque community exchange supportive of UFC fighters there high elevation, which is another that can't conveyances. I go back on level and compete this show. Like, I have double the lung capacity. It always gives me an advantage of flight. And I love it. And I I have a dominated almost every since I'm meeting. Greg Jackson, and they say, it's not broke don't fix it on Julie started for the team and support them we develop down there last one before we let you go. You you whether it's, you know, Los Angeles ACOG all the different venues of USC, but the significance of Las Vegas. And this one's going to be at the T mobile arena. Just lost Vegas in UFC stack Saturday night walking out to that arena. What's the feel of a Las Vegas Saturday night UFC main event card walking out? It's the best deal in don't Las Vegas is like the fight mecca. You know? That's the bigger fight. I mean between Madison Square Garden and Vegas. Places like the world, and I'm just honored to to be able to do it locking out till you'll see fight. It's the most surreal moment ever. I mean, there's no roller coaster as there's not many things that can give you a rush like getting ready to. Ship naked and quite somebody in front of millions of people. It's it's the most on I feel more alive. I never that moment. At that moment. I feel like. Exactly where I need to be where I'm supposed to be with God. Like put me on this earth to be and. Gotta love it. I'm just so grateful to have something I like fighting really make my Mark on the world. And and I really love my job. I I don't eat them work. I'm getting paid to do an art that really really love it. It's it's it's it's my back to the world on down. It's the best thing you, so grateful. He's John bones. Jones taken on Anthony Smith at UFC 235, March second at T mobile arena. Tickets are available now online at TicketMaster dot com or in person at the T mobile box office. Thanks for the time. Joe John, good luck. And give them. He and. That was a lot of fun. You're not gonna hear John bones Jones singing Queen anywhere else. But the Sodano show. That's where it happens. I coming up next Lakers had a huge win over the rockets staple center breakdown, the implications from that also around six fifty Ben lines can be popping all with us. He's going to break down the upcoming Oscars on Sunday ESPN LA biens Mafra. And we. Maybe John bones jonsman Mighty Ducks too. Hey, man. This is also every song played whenever any championship is one. This is the first time I heard this was Mighty Ducks to return. That was the first time you heard this mighty to you. Actually, learn the words though. I pay my dues. You think Freddie, mercury's voices tough to match their Julie really did a little healthier recently. And that's that's a speed them bohemian rhapsody. I've been lines can be join us about five or so minutes break down the Oscars coming up. Yep. Bohemian rhapsody that is. Into it. Even if I said this the other day, but my karaoke strategy is to have everyone be entertained. I want people to feel like they can sing too. I'm not singing to people were all together. I changed. I've changed over the years. I don't like a stage. I wanna be in the crowd and everyone involved. It was more like dinner theatre almost like, you're not a watch me, you're altogether. He's a real host pose Morphing into the audience. You do like karaoke is more of a song that everybody knows? And that's what you can sing where you can just you can sing a couple of verses and then put the mic out like, oh, I, you know, like, that's actually very similar to what Queen actually was looking for at least if you believe of human rhapsody the way they presented it when they came up with we will rock you is they were looking to basically turn yet. Slamming. They were looking they were looking at least the way they present Mohegan rhapsody that they were looking for the dislike. Like osmosis between the crowd, bigger and them like something that basically we're the crowd could become part of the song. Well, I said, okay. So I used to perform a lot of karaoke. Like, I pick songs that. I was really good at which is also nice to see when someone can really just do a song. Great. But now my songs really got anyone going like I said the other day when I did Amish paradise that baby grand, Emily. Everyone just sort of stopped and looked at me and the whole vibe of the room was gay. Because no one knows those lyrics, and then I've done MC hammer can't touch us. I know every basically every single layer to that. And also discover a bad touch by the blog bloodhound gang, which is the Discovery Channel song which. Oh, really? I can wrap that whole thing. It's not not that. Or is that trouble would be know like. You and me baby nothing but mammal, so let's do they go about picking. Pity? The blood these kids we solved. We're talking about American hits here worldwide. It's how about this song right here. How does this same category? Yeah. Yep. He's a room and he just like. Buffet. Like, weddings, everything. Oh, yeah. This this is like the new, hey, that's basically puts everybody on the dance. Also shout is a big wedding Sante. Are you at though where what like what place are you at doing karaoke like if I'm at like post like reception like wedding? You gotta go with the to like Jodi for all my non Jonas fans out there. You gotta go Jonas. Oh my God. I got some Jodie. My big experiences. Just you have to your audience and know who they're not. No, no your audience know yard into. They are probably one of the old school. R&b groups. Yeah. That you start seeing a couple or you can even go with ushers will do, you know, you say, you got it bad because some people like, you know, a little little Nellie and Kelly role in a little dilemma, those are the songs that that can get people on what I want. Oh crap. There's anybody who actually can just crush it. In karaoke is known as karaoke master. And Hollywood circles it's been lions joining us right now. Ben, what's your karaoke Goto jam what guys they threatened me on the show? I I keep it like eighties rock anything guns roses, big hair, medals out of character. Because when you go your huge hip hop fan, and you do karaoke it really kind of hip, hop culture back months last time, I actually carry guns and roses song. And I almost got me and my friends like killed in this story for off the air. Welcome to welcome to the jungle. That's each sunset strip him in it. Right. So ben. Would you agree with me that at least in terms of Oscars? There has not been a ton of buzz leading up to this one. I now live in an age where like these awards shows are so covered. We're kids growing up you'd watch the Globes maybe and then obviously making event at the Oscars Grammys, but in terms of film, hell, you got the sag awards spirit awards of afterwards. PGA's DGA's WD as I just endless. And so by the time you've seen Romney, Molly say, thank you to, Freddie. Mercury. Fifteen times kind of lost a little bit of its excitement just in terms of television product. But that said what it does to move the industry all these kind of watershed cultural moments with Netflix team the best picture race and Black Panther having a real chance for best picture. It's just like a a really cool time to see the ripple effect of how win the award get handed out. How it affects everybody's career moon forward. Julie here. Now, you're talking about careers moving forward. We know no one's hosting the Oscars, which is really weird. Like how does that? Even how do the scores even go forward without a hose still time for your Ben? I know right. I gotta get my tuxedo. Clean impressed. It's still stains from the Globes. I yeah, I think the last time there was no host readings nineteen eighty nine the Rob Lowe year with Snow White the right, right? Right. And then the old school Hollywood folks the next day wrote some angry letter, which is what older people do my father still does gonna write an angry letter and signing Charlton Heston upon people's that we can never let the academy be disgrace over twenty years later, the James Franco in Ann Hathaway. So no, I don't know what people really want from the host in in that venue right now. Twenty nineteen feel a little disingenuous. Not talk about what's going on in the world, and everybody's dressed up in fancy clothes still very much the capital at time. So I think in the hunger games, right? So I think it's I think it's tough gigging and Kevin Hart kinda got thrown through the mud and nobody else wanted to step up. So you can have a host this year. Maybe we'll get out of their time to get e by eight o'clock or nine o'clock instead of ten thirty been with anybody upset that they didn't win. Or is it like? You know, any upsets out there like, oh, I can't believe that this one didn't win. Or is it just a nice field of you can understand why? Each selection may have one. Is this your sin winter named get drafted and happy for everybody else? But Amy Adams has gone to the Oscars six times in his not one and Glenn Close is seven times and diplo had gone four times. And yes, they're all successful and happy and working in extreme counted. It's gotta be party. That's like all right. Well, was what are we doing here? So, you know, the kademi oftentimes the honors people on backward or times, I read an article the voter saying that they're going to vote for Glenn Close more chauffeur career than the actual roles for. But then oftentimes now, you see them stone. Jennifer Lawrence said, he read mainly pita Dion. Go kind of like a, hey, welcome young Hollywood, welcome to the club. And you see a lot of young stars too. So that's why I think Romney had a chance and. Yeah, I I don't know. I mean, Andy have you ever been nominated you in the union brother for all your like years of sports sports cats? Actually, we were we were nominated for something. And we had no idea. Nobody actually told us. We didn't find out until like afterwards that we'd even. N- been nominated. So we didn't attend is years ago. Like, some type of sports blog getting envelope. You you mentioned before been the idea of upsets, or you know, like Black Panther having legit chance. I'm gonna call my shot right now in terms of I think we'll be perceived as an upset. I think regardless of what wins best picture Spike Lee is gonna win for best director. Yeah. It's finally the Nixon gonna get a w. Wait to see that Oscarsson court size the world. That's going to be nice chance. I think he's a favor. And I think you win for doubted. You know, again, one of those kind of culmination of incredible career. The fact he has been nominated pass and for some of his films over the years. It's kind of crazy cat me really loved the movie, I think got six nomination. So I think that wins, and you and your writer too. So it's like the screenplay categories are kinda cool guy categories within the industry so that original screenplay category. Look for Peter fairly kind of stepped out of character green book, which kademi also loved and get a best director nomination. But he might wins first Oscar regional place. So it's clear, I think Spike Lee is gonna win best director that screenplay. Oh, really? I think he's going to win. No, no, no, you're I love fife. It's gonna be quite on his like, I think he's been another strap this shot man of coma. Shot are. All right. Hey, man. I'll tell you fight was vets director. That's that's that's a quick may Robson win the. Okay. So Ben speaking of favorites and best picture you guys were just talking about. Let's just let everyone know. So it's Black Panther black klansman bohemian rhapsody the favorite green book. Roma stars born advice. Who is what's what's Vegas? Who'd he thinks the favorite to invest picture. I think Roma has a shop because you look historically some of the recent years some of the films they they've honored with best picture shape. Waters about fish, man. Right. And they chose the hurt locker over avatar chosen some of more the Arctic black and white and silent film. I they're not afraid to clear the dance floor so Roma's enough for everybody. It's a piece of high art and cinema. And you study it and maybe not enjoyable to half hours, but truly something remarkable kind of level. So making that I think sits nicely in the criterion collection of cinema and also to watershed moment for Netflix. Because now the true off towards the real deal. Filmmakers will no longer judged by boxoffice and Taco Bell partnership. You know, oftentimes commerce can corrupt art and are confused commerce at the highest level of Black Panther connected with so many people because it was high art and moments, but I think for this and Netflix for coir owned for the year MOS for the do Rene for that. You know, all types of big. Time filmmakers, take boxoffice out of and still get your Oscar. I think this is gonna be a big moment. I think Romo investigation is definitely going to be interesting. Even if again, like we said earlier there hasn't necessarily been I think some of the pre-game buzz leading up to ban man, pre she at the time. Thank you. Thank you. Get to watch Paul George right now against the team. Boy, he looked really good purple and gold a third seat. Are that's enough? Ben. No, shooting, Jordan, shoe mouthful. I'm looking forward to seeing is lady Gaga with Bradley Cooper because she just broke up her engagement. We what she her and her fiancee's broke up this week broke up. I can tell she loves Bradley Cooper. Well, she says she I Bradley I love you like, you know, I don't know if she loves him he with. Yeah. He has a model girlfriend who I think he has a baby with something. Like that allegedly. I remember the main thing during this show allegedly. Yeah. Remember, the main song for this movie one Grammy? Yeah. Well, I can tell you. If you wanna bet on one thing that literally you there's no chance of losing your money. Shallow for best song telling you good song is how I know that songs gonna win my daughter. She says she's been belting the song for like three weeks. She's not even aware. There's a movie called the stars born. She's knows the song. That's however, lady Gaga, baby. And Bradley Cooper together who will be wed in my opinion. Hopefully. Got to go to the model. Bradley cooper. I wanna I wanna see those together. You're calling your shot. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there's big Assads for them to get together to everybody. Got that one right? Teaming those two. Yeah. No, look, the two of them were really good together in that movie. Like, they they really had a good chemistry. They performed well. Funches was rice saying that? It is a mega telephone real quick. Really good movie. Really? Yeah. I just saw the movie last week in is awesome. Really? But, but I say is not that great that people, you know, put it on pedestal or whatever, but I will say, hi, I'm going to try to catch it tonight or tomorrow before the Oscars. It's good. They both both of them. Do a good job in it. And actually surprisingly good performance by Andrew dice clay as data. Hell, Dave Cooper's friend. Yes. Just in cast. It is it is an unusual cast taste of movie popcorn tonight. Deca taste it. Yeah. That's why go to the movies just popcorn. It is a very specific sense memory thing. You can only get that pot on in one place and you put extra too. Ladies, gentlemen. This is fun man never met you before real quick to your cooler. Brian's veterinary. 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Episode 23: Jones in studio, Ortiz, Ngannou, Overeem, Hackleman, Smolka, more

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Episode 23: Jones in studio, Ortiz, Ngannou, Overeem, Hackleman, Smolka, more

"Gentlemen. Welcome to. Back in your life on this Monday, November twenty six two thousand and eighteen Hello everyone. Marijuana. Welcome back to the program. Hope you had a love the weekend. Let me just by water covert. Their hope you had a lovely week. If you celebrate thanksgiving. Hope you had a very nice thanksgiving with your family and friends ate a lot of now you're feeling good about life. You're very full. And you're very thank full as well. We've lost to discuss on the program today. My friends there's a lot going on as always it was very interesting weekend in the world of MMA. It's very rare that the UFC has an event over the weekend. And they're not the top story on Monday morning. Very rare doesn't happen often. That's the case this week. My friends you've had an event in Beijing China. It was a fun event. It was entertaining card. It was a car that had a lot of noteworthy things that happened on it most notable. Francis guy new is back what a performance what a win forty four seconds. I saw thirty seconds forty five forty four forty three whatever the case is he beat Curtis blades. Once again this time in less than a minute. He is back. He looked good. He looked rather spilt. I thought looked quick did not seem tentative big win for France in Gano. He wins via TKO. I know blades was a little upset over the stoppage. I thought it was the right call and now once again, we have Francis in guy new lupita total as a player at heavyweight. That's that's very big news. Also of note ouster over him when his fight against her gay law veg he snaps his two fight losing streak. And it was interesting because Beijing to me could have been a sort of changing of the guard at heavyweight with with some new blood emerging in the end, it's the old dogs and in particular else Jovem who emerges as a player still with the big boys. So over him wins in Ghana wins, some other nice performances. Huge win for Lewis smoker. Snapping his four fight of losing streak. Taking the fight on short notice way. These young is turning into a sensation at one hundred fifteen pounds. And the seriously has something with her not only is she a very talented fighter. She hails from China, and to have a fighter like that who hails from China that is a very big deal for the company. She is aggressive. She is fun. She's a finisher. She's good on her feet and on the ground as we saw on Saturday morning, by the way, love the fact that the card was over by eight twenty eastern time. I mean who could beat that who can complain about that. So it was a good card, and we'll talk about the card, and we'll talk to some of those players on this card, but the story of the weekend, and the story that I think everyone is still kind of digesting talking about on this Monday morning slash afternoon is golden boy M as first foray into the world of mixed. Martial arts, golden, boy promotions to be more precise. And they had their first show Saturday night at the forum in Inglewood, California. And. Of course, it was Tito Ortiz vs chocolate number three, and it ended up being a pretty sad affair, and it ended up being the kind of fight that. I think a lot of us were expecting Chuck did not look good. He did not look like the old iceman. He had not fought in eight years. He's coming off a string of bad losses. And he got knocked out in the first round by Tito Ortiz who had not scored a knockout in the first round. And well over a decade Tito did not look spectacular. But obviously looked a lot better than Chuck. It was uncomfortable to watch. It was sad to watch. I felt the pressed afterwards I did pay forty dollars for that pay for you. I actually thought the pay per view had some nice moments. The broadcast team will be talking to one of those members of the team in a matter of seconds. I thought was strong Todd Grisham Frank MIR Rashad Evans, I think one of the big winners of the weekend was Doron win who also be talking to later in the program funding, the Komeito vent against the veteran. Filthy, Tom Lawlor, he is a protege of one Daniel Cormet, a lot more people know who Doron. China's now five a professional went the distance. But clearly a name that we all should be paying attention to include star on the rise. So it was an opportunity to give some guy some rubs so to speak, but the main event was very depressing affair, and I think afterwards there's a lot of grandstanding. There's a lot of people saying like, oh, you know, Chuck Schumer type things my general take is. And we'll have plenty of time to talk about on the show, but very cooked up. My general take is look we can't tell these guys went to retire. We have our own opinion. They're not gonna listen to us there fighters by trade. That's what they do. Chuck Adele has said on numerous occasions that he did not feel alive. He needed this back in his life. He did not want to retire when he was asked to retire. It was the right call to retire back in two thousand ten when he lost a rich Franklin, but he was just alive in the build up in the training camp Saturday night. This is what he lives for. And in the end, you could talk about his trainers. You talk about. The commission Indiana comes down to Chuck in his family because they're the ones who are going to have to deal with the repercussions. And they wanted us. They knew the repercussions. They wanted it. Now, I think they'd be crazy to ever do this again. But I can't sit back here and say like, oh, Chuck you need to do this you need to that. Look, no, one tells me what to do not tell him. What to do? He's a big boy, he's a grown, man. He's going to have to deal with the repercussions now commissions like California, should they be above this. Yeah, they probably should. But guess what? They'll be Texas. They'll be Florida. They'll be Oklahoma. They'll be China. They'll be Saudi Arabia. They'll be Abu Dhabi. They'll be they'll be some other jurisdiction on the planet. That's going to say. Yeah, we want tease versus chocolate or some variation of that. You know, we're entering an interesting time in our sport where there are guys. Like, Tito, teas and Chuck Adele way past their prime who are fighting and are making uncomfortable for us. Remember, this sport is just twenty five years young in this country. And at this juncture, we haven't had a lot. Of examples of what we saw on Saturday. Boxing, has a whole book full of those examples uncomfortable fights where we're fighters are fighting well past their prime not looking good not looking fit. Just just just making you sad. Make you depressed getting knocked out in fights. And against opponents that you never thought a million years when they were in their prime that they would get knocked out by well, that's what we're dealing with. Now is the sport tunes to grow gonna see a lot more fighters with long-term injuries with CTE with all kinds of things boxing has been dealing with quit some time, and Chuck is not the first example because certainly we have seen it. We saw it with. We saw it with with BJ pan. We saw with others. We continue to see it with some fighters as well. But Chuck is one of the biggest names that we've seen a guy stick around a little too long comeback. Try to rekindle that fire and it just goes horribly wrong. He was not the old iceman in there. And it was foolish to think that he'd be able to turn back the clock. It really was. It was uncomfortable to watch. It seemed like a guy that didn't know what he was doing in there. It really did. And in many ways, I thought Tito could have ended the fight a lot sooner. That's how just uncomfortable. The whole thing was that's how poor he looked in there. That's no knock on Chuck. He's been around for so long. He's taking a lot of shots. He shouldn't have come back. But I can't sit here and say Chuck you need to retire next. You in Barish stuff, you know, he's a legend, and he can do whatever the heck he wants. Now, we can choose not to take part in it. We could choose not to watch it or cover it or pay for it. But the the big boy. This big boy, this is a guy who has done this for the majority of his life. It's it's just a byproduct of the sport. It really is. And that's why you don't have them going out there and saying, yeah, I'm done because I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back. I hope that people close to him. That's this really falls on you know, his wife. It's it's his friends. Those are the people who should be sitting down and saying, no. But there's no guarantee of that because they were in the front row, and they they should have known. What was going to happen in this fight? So there's a lot to break down. There's lots of digest. Let me run down today's lineup. And then we shall get to our first guest of the day, the f- or mention there on win will be on at around. Three. Fifty five teeter tease will join us prior to him at around three forty loose smoke. Oh will be on at around three thirty talking about his big win this past weekend. In beijing. Carlos Silva, the president of PF L will join us at three o'clock in studio. That's going to be a lot of fun. Speaking of in-studio, it has been seven years. I said eight earlier in the day. It's actually seven seven years since John Jones joins us in studio. He will be in studio at three o'clock. I lie to thirty John Jones in studio. John bones Jones in studio, two thirty to five ouster over him, one forty five and gun and. Okay. We have a change of plans. I let us go to these machine. We'll be joined later by Frank MIR. But first, let's go to machine to be joined by a man who I was very curious about what he thought of the teas chuckled L fight on Saturday. He was not there. He prior to Saturday night had been a part of Chuck adele's training camp for every one of his twenty nine professional fights had cornered him for twenty seven of those twenty nine professional fights. But he did not take part in the training camp for this fight to not take part in the fight itself. As far as a cornerman position is concerned was vocal in the build up. Once was announced that he did not feel comfortable about the whole thing. And I thought it'd be interesting to hear his take on it all so let's go to these machine and say Hello to John Hackel. Men who has been by Chuck Adele side for so many years, but was not on Saturday night. John we actually only see your mouth here. Can you tilt your camera a little bit? So it's your. Full face, a little more a little more. Yeah. There we go next year glasses. Okay. Little how are you? John gay? I'm good. Okay. Can you hear me? See me. We're all good. See I can hear you. Okay. Kate like a little higher. If you don't mind because I feel like your nose at this point. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's much better. That's incredibly better. Yes. That's perfect. John good to have you on the show. You obviously weren't in attendance on Saturday. Did you watch the fight? Wife to on this phone, and I could see see it about as good as I can see you right now. But yeah, I didn't wanna go. I didn't wanna watch it last minute. When I knew it was going to go on. I actually was talking to my friend on the phone and I had him. He was watching it. So I had them FaceTime. Just so I could I kinda watch it a little. I thought that would make it easier. 'cause I I was nervous. I was like pacing all day were you you were not a part of his training camp. Right. No, not at all. Not at all. Will you ask to be part of it? Yes. Why weren't you apart of it? There's a lot of reasons I think mainly just. I think they knew I think he knew how I felt about it. And I think they don't want that kind of I've in the camp like somebody that's not for it. And it seemed like everybody around there was all like a they're all into it. And it was a great thing. And I did. So I wanna go mainly just to make sure that he was okay. And that everything was maybe, you know, fix something if it was broken or maybe talk someone into not doing this. Or I didn't know I just, but I think they sense my vibe because I was I was a little too negative about it going in. I think and and I think that I don't think they wanted that by around. So I didn't go did it bother you that you were not a part of it. Yes. And no, I mean, maybe I could have done something a little different actor talked about it. Maybe I could have maybe change up. Some things stint seem like there was a strategy at all blaming his camp at all their new guys that have never trained with them before. And you know, without a chance it's hard to have a really good strategy. But but then with that said, you know, if they saw the in the in the training camp, they could have maybe made it either judgment or just pulled the whole thing. But I, but you know, like, I said I wasn't there. I can't I can't speak for him. I've actually pulled guys out of fights during training camps. If I think they don't look good. And they're going to get hurt safety is number one for me always has been. So I don't know. I don't you know, it just didn't work out. And so, you know, I didn't I didn't want to bother him while he was in his training camp. And sometimes it was kinda hard to talk to his circle of people now. Were you in communication with him at all in the training camp? Yeah, we chatted a couple times. But like I said, he's kinda hard. He was kind of hard to get in touch with. You know, he had a lot of people that were you know, communicating for him. So you know, we talked probably like maybe maybe once a week. Okay. And and that's kind of weird for us. Oh, wow. Because usually you talk more than that. Yeah. During something like this. Yeah. If he doesn't have a training camp. It just every day. You know, we talked. I don't know how often, but we just talked like if I'm gonna be town or he's going to be here. We we text. We're not like buddies. We've never been buddies more like, you know, kind of family, right? But we don't hang out together or anything. But yeah, I felt bad about this fight from the get-go. I was against it from the get-go. I I was there when we decided he was going to retire. And when he the then he said, well, I wasn't really ready to retire back dance. I had to get you know, member he was saying that. Yeah. Yeah. He was he was eight years ago. He was ready eight years ago because you know, after the retrenchment fight. I mean, he was more than ready. Then right thought. So anyway, I mean, maybe I was wrong. But I thought he was ready to retire after rich Franklin Kayode him when when you saw the footage of him at the open workouts a lot a lot was made of that. Did you did you have more concerned? No, I I actually didn't because. We like when the cameras would come on in the old days, even like the camera and address room. I knew it was showing to the other dressing room where his opponent was before the fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have do crazy stuff like, you know, switched out and just like make a crazy move. Just to throw buddy off. And I honestly thought that's what he was doing as I was just sandbagging. Wow. Okay. I really did. So you didn't order the pay per view. No. I didn't. But you're aware when the fight was about the star. Yeah. I was I was talking to one of my students, and he's sell checks gonna fight. Now, said FaceTime ING, he FaceTime e saw watched it through that what's going through your mind. This. So you told me twenty nine profiles heading into this one you part of all twenty nine training camps. You do not corner him for two of those fights. But you're still part of the fight here. You are at home watching this eight years, the build billable that what is going through your mind as the fight is starting looking at my. Yeah. As had I was have my wife. Check check my pulse to my my pulse was like I get nervous in the dress around. But I was like ten times more nervous because at least in the dressing room in the corner. I can have some control over what happens, and I can protect him or I can give them some strategies that was just like my heart was pounding. And the second second get clipped and went down. I just felt sick to my stomach is like can travesty know it was a travesty. When prior to the knockout, you you see the way he's fighting. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's inevitable. Right. Like, you know, it's coming. It's like watching. It's about to watch a car crash. Right. It just seemed from the get-go that it was. But. Then in the back of my mind. You know, forget the front of my mind, which was saying this in the back of mind, I was thinking, okay. He's gonna land that right hand checks fill land the right hand come on his land it come on. Yeah. Please hands down put your hands down. And I was thinking he's gonna he's gonna land that right hand in the back of my mind, but in front of my mind, I was like they can this does not look good. Was it worse than you thought? Yeah. Wow. In what way? For kale? I didn't think I thought I thought some bad things we're going to happen. I thought, you know, check know with a chance I thought it would be a KO if he lost later in the fight and more of a back and forth thing until he got clipped because I think Tito's still has his chin for the most part. And still Chuck hasn't knockout punch, but like stuck his like can check his like a tank, you know, he's not really that fast. But he has a huge cannon. When when it shoots lands in knocks the hell out of people, but his his tank now doesn't have any armor. So he still has a huge cannon. But it doesn't have any armor. So people can you know, people can shoot back at them and and hurt him. And that's what happens now with him. What did you think of Tito's performance? I thought he did everything he had to do. And and I thought it was for lack of a better term stellar. You know, I think stellar against. Almost fifty year old check. No. But I don't think it would be stellar against anybody in the top twenty in the USA or anything like that. But it was stellar for the older group of guys like that. When you actually saw him getting knocked out. How did you react? And my heart. I just my heart my wife around because she knows how emotional I get during those times than my heart. I just felt sick. I honestly felt sick to my stomach. And I was like, and then I had a little bit of relief. I honestly did. They. Okay. Maybe now everybody is circle. Now, they get it. Yeah. They should have got it with Franklin fight. I don't know why. I guess the time. I don't know the time, you know, made their memory different or something of that fight. I don't know. They've maybe they should watch that fight. But I think I thought I was relieved I think now they're going to realize no, just no more, no more. Here's so many options. He has he get at such a comfortable, and and and and fun and happy life without getting punched in the face anymore. And I think I hope they'll realize. That now. And so okay. So, you know, how personal this rivalry was you know, how I may not have been for you because you were just coaching you don't strike me as that of guy. But you know, about the history between those two you were there for the two fights the build up all the drama for the happen against Tito vol people, and then to see his reaction was there any part of us like come on. You weren't beating chuckle del. This is not vindication. Like, how are you reacting towards the whole celebration? When you're seeing your guy Chuck on the ground there. I have a big thing about people that celebrate until their opponent gets up that to me. That's disrespect. I don't like that. But with that said, I don't think Chuck Tito's little digging the thing and doing that. I think that was part of it. I think it's an entertainment factor. And I don't I don't think it was like he beat you. A check and older Chuck, but he's an older. Tito. So I think it's relative. And I I don't think it was anything wrong with that. And I think he finally and him he finally beat you know, the guy that pumped him twice. I mean, not about twice punked him at ultimate fighter show beat him at every event, and he finally beat him. So I I don't really think that his his little s little act after the fight. I don't know. I think it was part of the whole the whole scheme and the whole shenanigans of that whole crazy card. It was just kinda weird. The whole thing was weird. But I don't hold. I don't hold him against. I don't hold anything against Tito. Then he went and hugged Chuck and showed respect. And so I think it was something that he finally got to be Chuck. You know, I don't I don't I don't really think what he did was inappropriate. I really don't. I mean, he did beat another judge. But he's an all the Tito fair. That's a fair point. Was there a party that really? You wish that you could be in that cage on Saturday to just be with your guys could swim. Even though you didn't agree with the whole thing. But just I really do. Yeah. I do I do. But with that said might protection is a really big thing. All by fighters all the referees know that how big I am protected. My guys like I'm the towel throwing guy. But her Dane was so quick, and he protected Chuck. He was like he was right there. He did stricken outstanding job. So I I mean, I couldn't protect any more than than than her deemed it because it happened so quick and her dean was like fricken right there. And I really appreciate that. He will he was and a really thankful and grateful for that. And he really so I there's nothing else that could have done, but hug chug after and I wish I could have done that. Yeah. I heard one of the very best as you know. I would imagine he was a little quicker on his toes for this particular fight given. The with both did a great great job. And I'm really thankful for that. So have you talked to Chuck in the aftermath? Yeah, we're gonna have a get together next week. This couple of things I wanna say I wanna hear what he has to say. But. Not that I'm gonna be surprised by anything. I just think he has such a good life. And I just I just I, you know, we're just gonna talk about. I'm just gonna reiterate please not again. That's that's the biggest thing. Please. Not again, just because you know, safety and everyone you guys everybody loves chocolate. Everybody wants the best for jogging. And and we don't want to see him in that position. Again, did you reach out to him? Or did he reach out, by the way? You're you're actually blocking the camera by holding. If you do the other hand, we see your fully see this hand. They're there, you're fine. We'd see your your full face anyway. So it's not a big deal. But did you reach out to him? Or did he reach out after? He texted me the next morning. But I I texted that night. I texted his wife said, basically, no more. That's I mean, you know, that's it. Right. You know? And then he takes me back. I'm fine. Oh, I talked to him. Okay. I actually called her. I wasn't. I was not in a good mood. I called her and he was right there as I talked to many sounded Finers like that was like like ten minutes act of the KO or you know, and it's like he sounded fine. And that really relieves me. And then I texted the next morning. And then he takes back that he's gonna he's gonna come up next week. And we're gonna have a little chat even in the post FAI press conference. He wouldn't say that he was done for sure that this was a why do you think he has such a hard time doing it? I mean, it's hard. It's a hard thing for fighter like MTA. Do. I mean that's been his identity, and that's been his life for so long. People don't understand that you know, it's like. It's just it has been part of his everything, you know. I'm white fighters have a hard time. He I don't know but his money situation. But I I know that there's fighters out there with no money problems that should be fighting in more. They just want that last. It's such a high. It's like an adrenaline. You know, you've four feeling and I think it's hard for someone like him not to do it. That's his identity. You know? So he says for eight years it's been a void in his life. So hopefully, this one something else has to fill the void like you can't make you can't quit smoking and not chew gum or drink more coffee, or whatever just like, you got to replace that kind of that kind of habit with with something else with him, you know, fighting as much you know, it was whole life so Intel he can replace it with something. I think he's he's gonna it's gonna be hard. For him. Used to fill the void. Do you think if you were in his corner that this would have ended up differently? No, I really don't. I really I I wanna trash this corner. I really do. But I can because I don't I don't know what the strategy was. But they're they seem like they know what the hell they're doing some reputable guys McKay guys and stuff. So I don't I don't think that the one that would not one right hand landed, you know, I don't think anything would have been different. If I was in the corner. I don't think I could. Change anything. I really don't do you think that maybe maybe I could have had something different in the strategy. But check that really good with strategies is check wants to bang. So no matter what the strategies Chuck's default is bang. Right. Do you think that was it for him? Do you think in your heart? You think you'll ever fight against? Yes. I don't think it will again. I do not think he will fight again ID willing to bet on it. And I will I will be a lot more. And you know, I should've been more active in this one in in trying to stop it. I didn't because he's a grown, man. And I didn't you know. I don't I don't want to get involved in money issues. Maybe you know. So maybe needed the money. I'd on my saying he did. But I I don't wanna be the guy that you know, what? Yeah, you're gonna make X amount. But no, I'm saying you can't make that much money that will might do that. So but now after this fight, I will be more proactive there. John. I appreciate the honesty and the candor. I'm sorry turned out this way. But thank you for coming on talking about it. Hey, thanks for having such a great show. And and a great platform. Thank you. I appreciate it. There is John how common stopping by. So let's remain on this topic and say Hello to the man who defeated chocolate Dell on Saturday night the great Tito Ortiz. Joining us in a matter of moments view, the match Skype. Let's Skype works better. This time. There is the victorious. Tito ortiz. Joining us. Tito, how're you? Congratulations. Thank you doing wonderful. Got enjoy actually this morning. I'm sure that felt great. I'm sure this Monday feels great to finally get that win over chocolate Dell as you know, and again, by the way, I want to say thank you for coming on earlier than you were scheduled. I think Frank MIR sick or something. So appreciate you doing that. The story on this Monday isn't necessarily OTT on. It's Chuck look, really bad. Does that bother you? Yeah. I worked really hard for this. I mean, I. Rock a best buy that. I know. Everything concert afford Cam. There was no home might whole simple. I mean, I took a year off of an expert from my neck, but I never. Got through camp of teen. So I never worked harder. My life. And dominated each hugging. His game. Let's I'm sorry to do this again. Tito, but we're going to call you on the phone because for some reason, our Skype just doesn't seem to agree with yours. I'm sorry about that. We're gonna call you right now cakes. I wanna hear what you have to say about this or we're gonna call you right now. No matter of seconds here. There's something about the Skype situation over there in. Whereas Huntington beach, I do believe the Huntington beach badboy so good to hear Hackel men's assessment curious to hear Tito right off the bat say that he doesn't necessarily feel like he's getting the respect he deserves after the fact because that does seem to be the store everyone talking necessarily about not necessarily about Tito, but. Zeroing in on Chuck, and I do believe we have Tito back. He'd or you there. Yes. I am. Okay. Sorry about that again. So do you not feel insured? You not feel like you're getting the respect that you deserve on this Monday. After that win. No, just because you know, Chuck said so much I was gonna knock me out all kinds of fans and jokes about yet. Again. What do you got a crew? And I prove that I'm a vicious fighter. I'm proved that I haven't really lost it. He would say well you lost the chart twice when you guys are in your prime. I wasn't in my mind. I was you know, I was only in the game away five years for years. I wasn't staus still burning. I'm still learning. I was going through my back problems before I back surgery. There was so many things that I'll. But now when I'm healthy now when I'm on point, and Chuck said, you wanna fight me. He's wanting to be called me out. He's the one who agreed to he's wanted kept talking trash saying they I'm a tune of fight building. Everything the way he wanted to do. And all of a sudden when I smash an easy way. I did people say all that was there that it used to be. Well, why would you say so much things that how you're gonna smash the halogen fight and everybody else followed that same. Leave. He did. And then when I do they bashing for it. But it's probably show that there's so many chocolate fans out there. And I'm sorry to all the fans that I learned at I. You've been in the cage them twice before. You've obviously known him for a long time. You train with him back in the day when you were in the cage with them on Saturday and feeling about early on. Did that seem like the old shut to you? Or did it seem like a slower older Chuck? I looked across the same to me. Of course when the competition Cam about. I throwing I'm smile with younger guys now guys were fast. So you he did but a little slower, but at the same time as both my train on there's all the chain pars that I had Muslims Marietta, deem, j Silva all these guys that are pastoring younger. That's what I was prepared for Trump says, you know, in the are the videos that he had him. So I hit and miss that. That's not how he's doing real years and. I was thought he was bagging. But combinations. They did throw. He got one by two and a half minute marketing like he was a little bit faster. But it's just I was way back him my country's way. Basser his I felt great me. He touched me, and it was on my forearm and not on it. I mean, like I say I'm sparring with young guys now guys game, and I'm competing against them. I just. Respect should be shown a little bit on my side. 'cause I couldn't hard work to have an eight surgeries or next year. He's back surgery three degrees. And I'm still able to dismantle Chuck like that. And yes, he took his time. And he's the one who called me out. That's what I don't understand people bag on me. And I'm not going to call them out. I said you shouldn't do this the beginning. I started said, no, you shouldn't do this is like, oh what you're frayed. Once again. Here we go again, what he does afraid if I know better was ever like that. I always you wanna make sure that made a big piece of the pie. And in this fight. We did after everything you guys have been through. And and we're looking at some of the highlights right now after everything you guys have been through after all the back and forth, the drama dating back to the days, and everything that entailed when you finally finished him when you knocked him out. What did that feel like? Vicious. I I I don't know. I just felt like an animal married. I just everything worked out perfect. August all the sparring all the met work all the arounds. We did all the wrestling. I did all the road work. I did eighteen weeks. I sacrifice my body. Like, no other. I I was excited. I hit him with the punches fail. And I wanna make sure that he stayed down. And I was caught in a moment, of course, doing my celebration as one of my fights. But he said a lot about things about me. And I'm not a good person. And I take personal because I am a person. My my friends my family get my fans, what about the commission getting in the way of your celebration. There were you know, by that. They're not your teeth. I know I feel like they've never seen you. They want stopping me. No way. No. That night say man. I had a great night. I got I just everything just the place. It was it's from the very very beginning of cutting weight making the way with super easy on Monday. I was to twenty two on Tuesday hours to eighteen on Wednesday. I was too I think to fifteen on thanksgiving. I'll is two thirteen and then Friday when I woke up I was till nine. So I would await who've just perfect thanksgiving. I actually went on my way, and I reached out my father says to see what I could be on face getting to get back to you know. So I went and fed homeless for about four and a half hours as the laugh factory in Hollywood 'cause already Santa's hotel. So I did that and fed people thanksgiving thanksgiving dinner, and all of the first things given in twenty one years ago wasn't able the wow. You never fought around. Thanks. I mean, I guess you you fought at the end of the year not that that weekend. So it was was tough timing and understand. But I feel like the commission maybe signal the fact that they were like newbies or something. Because everyone knows that you're do that. I think that they thought that you were going to attack him. And that's why they were getting all worried. They didn't know how the celebration usually plays out. And that's what they were getting all up in your grill. Someone needed to educate them that. That's what you do after your fights. Yeah. Exactly. Why I forgot when I choked shells on the kid because they gotta me van, okay? But happening. Fast to Trump's is there is there any part of you in high. I know I know this is a personal thing. I know you kind of buried the hatchet as well any part of you that feels bad for Chuck. Not bad. You know, I still form 'cause you know, yet the other day as much as he said, he wasn't my friend. I still see as one of my boys, and I still have that feeling. And like I said the beginning. I I told me shouldn't be Chinda the fight. But he just demand it, and you can tell a man what to do. I mean. I people never tell me what to do. And I don't want. I always just I do what I wanna do. And he had a first fist of what he shouldn't be in there for me. And that's I don't know. Sorry, because he did what he wanted to you know, he's a warrior and he's a true champion. And I I respect them. I've always respected them. Why do you still consider him one of your boys considering all that's been said, especially from him about you? I am man. You know, you know, they say keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. It is what it is. And so okay after the fact he would not say that that he is done. He said he's going to think about it. And what whatnot we just had John how come in on his as going to urge him to retire. Do you feel like that's the end you feel like you should retire? Well, I I don't know. I mean, he bought a cheat. Ortiz vicious man, I'm telling you I had to buy camp was amazing. I had no injuries. I. I was like I could beat anybody that night that night, I could destroy anybody. I was just on point. I was it was my night. Everything has world happens for reason chopping continue to fight give them somewhat more about five. Jim someone who actually can can do. Yet unified. I was not to fight. If he goes back to normal camp. I make you do. Well, he just you can't go to a new camp. And then all of a sudden you're gonna compete at the same level. You always have the camp, you always been with and being John Ackerman was a blessing John Ackerman amazing coach, and I didn't understand why he wasn't John Ackerman. But chocolate those the man himself grown, man. He's a great father and he's gonna make decisions. What about you was that your last fight? Yep. Under percent man hundred percent, if there's no reason to come back and fight anybody else. I mean live there. There's no one out there. You know? I thought those who. I've done what I needed to do. Now, it's going to some little bit better, focus, my mind strictly on on a business of helping these fighters and Saturn promotion, we started new promotion the promotion, so let's just keep it going. I mean, you'll Oscar in Arizona as on Friday ably, and we're gonna sit down, but the numbers together. And they said it made sense. They said it was amazing. I believe almost sold out house for the head open. And they were happy. They're really really happy. Okay. I'm gonna ask you about that in a second. But you say you feel better than ever you fell vicious. You're on point amazing training camp the way coat was phenomenal. And and and you got win over your rival. And you made a lot of money as you said why like you don't think in a year, you'll be tempted? Here's one more one. There's always another guy out there. Can you say definitively that that was the end? Yes, I can say that was the end I wanna enjoy life, man. I want to do business. I want to focus on what's gonna be my next chapter of my life and promotion is where it's at. I think there's a lot of fives out there. I take advantage of. And I wanna give my mom kids to be come brands. I wanna get up Cheney become partners of their fight business that they put their lives on the line when you step into the cage. Okay. Now, the future of golden boy Emma may as it was called. Can you also say definitively that that was not a one off? They are here to stay. I believe we are here to stay. Yes. Surrey? And when you say, we what's your pardon? All this. Well, we're gonna have to see when I sit down with them on Friday. You know? I worked at USC for such a long time and sixteen years. I know the ends and outs and everything I just never got an opportunity to use my skills on that side of it. It's time to really get educated on it be a hard worker and dedicate myself to one hundred percents chocolate. They argues me Dana white getting to become president overnight of USC. It took them a lot of hardworking dedication time with his family and to learn how to do it the right way. And he's a master at it man, Dana. Why is the best USC is the best? I don't want to compete against USC. No colo. There's a Pepsi. I see an AT and T T mobile. I mean, there's always competition with each other for you got shabby. I mean, you have see you're gonna have golden volume. And so would you like to be the the Dana white if you will the promoter? Do you wanna have a financial statement? What rule do you think is best for you? Besser me as helping them make the sessions on bringing break fighters giving those fires opportunity to. Become great SARS to become the next characters become next door teams. Chuck adele's rampages Clinton. Wednesdays jackson. You know? I think it's just going out and finding those guys guys Conor McGregor. There's many people out there. They don't get up chain to do it. And I want to give that up to one of the big talking points heading into this this car this debut card for golden boy was that, you know, the fighters would make more the purses that I I know that they aren't always. You know, they are always accurate and telling the true story, but the person there was a big discrepancy over what you guys made with the rest of the card made. So how's this any different than say, you have see card where there's a big discrepancy between the the main eventers and the undercard guys. I mean, as you get the level of fighters that were in there. I mean, we're banking on me and shot. Now playing simple we've got young fighters that we need to build we need to build brands. And that's what's really important given us opportunity and seeing how hard it in general now be able to do a little bit better for the next card and serve building. Guys. Don't get me wrong. We're not gonna do another review. That's not right. Yeah. That's the next now starts to build the brand itself and to make fighters brands themselves back the next step is building guys. So you'd like to have some sort of TV deal, right where we're more people can watch. Exactly and go around the world finding the best fighters. And I think that's really important and be able to vet those guys have three will have their own sponsorships. You know, say what they want to say then and never really sensor is I think that's really important. Do you have any idea any ballpark number as to what this did on pay per view? Not yet. I've heard so far in the to hundreds. It's over that. I'm very very very happy. I mean, of course, these super talks with all the people who hired people using everything, you know, we had to do our homework on Sunday yesterday trying to block a lot of things and we're still doing today, and you kind of realize how hard yours truly works to make that happen images difficult to make sure that guys oh pirate things. And usually does job of it. We're trying to do the same thing or selves Oscar de LA Hoya as you know is a legend and does a fine job in boxing. But I was critical of him in the build up to this fight. It didn't feel like he had his heart into it. He was mispronouncing Chuck's name. All the time. He didn't know anything about the like the press conference. I thought you and Chuck did a way better job than him at selling. This. Do you think that he wants to be a part of this or golden boy may remains a thing that he should maybe just focus on boxing and someone like you focus on the way. May. There's your answer. Depend a medallion our to defend Oscar he and the boxing promoter. Yeah. Something that he would be fun to do. This is an experienced hand. But you know, what let's give you guys are not chain to fight us to the fans, and he did no more than that. And when I got up to sit down and talk him, he's like, and this MA bills, a totally different monster go, but we can do well at it. We just gotta work hard and make the right things happen for these spiders futures. He goes Geeta hours a fighter and I became motor. I'll get back to boxing. I know you're a fighter in mixed. Martial arts. You wanna be promoter? We can do it together. And this this stuff them right fighters. So that'll be the steps. Okay. Ideally, how many shows would you like to do next year? I'm at least eight to ten shows. Okay. During the year. I mean, maybe even twelve maybe we do one a month and just go around the United States or the world and have a small show and all of them. And like I say I am looking to see I don't want to compete with USC USC is a an animal on machine. There's no one's gonna be better than them. But I just wanna get the fighters and opportunity to compete at the can't compete me us you. Congrats. Tito, thanks for doing this great job on Saturday. And hopefully, you know, the the beef is over you guys can move on maybe friends as you said on Saturday, and maybe even work together. I don't think anyone wants to see Chuck fight again. And maybe there's a home for him at golden. Boy, what do you think? Yes. There's a possibility. I mean, of course, going out shooting fighters get shot doing that. But we just gotta work hard. I know he was with USC for a while. And as an investor, but he didn't really work that much. So if you're gonna work with me, you're gonna work hard. You do things I work as hard possibly care. Good luck. Tito, thank you very much. Congrats again. Awesome. And appreciate guys. Thank you. All right. There is not coming off his victory over chocolate Dell on Saturday night at the forum, the fabulous forum in Inglewood, California. He finally gets his win over Tito Ortiz last time, she'd be over Chuck Adele last time, they was two thousand and six he says, that's it for him. He says it's the beginning of golden boy, Emma may we'll see if those are true. Doubts about the first one. But we'll see. Talk more about that later on as I said at the top of the show the other big story over the past weekend was see back in China in Beijing to be exact and the Amine of featured Francis gun versus Curtis blades to and the big story going into that one would be could Francis. Finally, turn back the clock. Could he get back on track? Could he snap his losing streak? Could he regain the form that he had in two thousand seventeen you talk about turning back the clock? That's when you you talk about Chuck Adele Ortiz in this case, it's not that much of a clock to turn back. Well, guess what? He did it. He knocked him out in less than a minute. He is back on track. He's looking good. He is feeling good. And he's here to talk about it. Also, let's go to the phone lines and say Hello to the put that on in gun new. No one, my friend. How are you Phillies tussle? Messia vehicle. How? This. You've had some big wins in your life. But I feel like this one felt better than all the maybe even come by considering everything you've been through over the past year is that fair is that possible that this one felt better than anyone of your wins in the past. That's true. That true. You know, the that did of his win wasn't this seemed like what of war, you know, that I component input like two thousand seventeen. I didn't like you know, really enjoyed victory. North of like, okay, I win. Good like, not like just one small valuable. You know what I mean? Yeah. Of course, considering everything you've been through all the critics the ups and downs. You end the year on on a very high note were you did you feel like this was do or die for you Francis? Did you feel like this was must win? Did you feel more nervous than you had in the past? Yes. I said more nervous. You know? I said Mon as what I said before, you know, I tried really hard to put myself in a good position to put myself in shit to connecting my mind. But you know, you still have that kind of. That didn't in your mind that kind of like doubt doubt on. Then all like, I mean, I did everything where I try everything much. I can get this win. But it kind of like that little thing like. Dining my like. Okay. What's going to happen? Exact you know. And then you know, like, no this should be a win. And then mostly I mean, I think because I I did with my with my with my law active did and I really like. Okay. That's good duties happen happen. It happened. You know, you can do with it dry. You know? So then I went through on three did you work with anyone Francis? You know, like a sports psychiatrist someone like that to help you get over things. Mentally, did you did you hire anyone because you talked about in the Derek Lewis fight that you know, you're just couldn't pull the trigger. Did anyone help you get over that hump? I try I work I work with someone. Yeah. In France on of. I mean, I didn't know much about out like he's gonna work. He works on not that at least, I try, you know, you might be something in it. And then a try three, you know. But I keep doing I mean, and I can tear easy was that. I'm like. If. Apple that. That mean, something, you know, that might mean something then my height something, you know, so. I work with some cycles. I saw that you had your old team around you for non Lopez your longtime head coach was there. It seemed like you went back to your roots for this one. Did it feel right? Did it did it feel? Okay. You had the familiar faces around you. It seemed like you were going back to your old team. Yes. Accomp- one. No, you know, who we have. He had signed very hard time. And then you know, Jim was. Be different than it was that we give we focused on the on the work on the way did that. Have those have been back in? I think that that was that was I thought about even before the fight again the Lewis I thought about about it. And I said, I I need something like that. And that's why I came back here, you know, for my root friend event. Two team. Everything. So you in Fernande are okay now after the comments that he said about ego, and all that you guys settled your differences. What do you mean? Kind of. I mean, we will see. Even after all this. You didn't sit down and talk about it. Or you you still feel like there's things that need to be worked out. Yes, we we we we spoke about it. But you know. I think we have to talk. Okay. What do you have to talk about? What do you have to clear up? Well, I think that. Anything was doing on our way. Okay. When to kill on your show. I call them up right now if you wanna to do it right here. No, I'm just so are you no longer living in Las Vegas. No, I'm even investing this. I just came back in. Okay. I'll be back in. I noticed that you walked out, the two parks all eyes on me. Why was that? Yeah. About to you know, some of my requirement that song. And then I was like. I mean, I like it. I feel it on like. Okay. Time to to overcome. It's time to stop. You know? He's kind of like us you what you've been to that. Can you confident? It was nice. I thought it was very appropriate from the from the moment the fight started. Did you feel like yourself again? Did you feel like you could just let loose? Hot I had work in lot about. So even before get my mind was clear that we're going to go to her tonight on a yes, I. Oh when mall that I feel lose confidence. I mean, I don't want to I didn't want to mess up. The I feel like I get this one, you know, but I was like being crucial Minolta is not a. It's not a it's not easy fighter. So like booking washout that good. He seemed to think that the stoppage was early. What did you think? I think you wasn't early because fold. When he says. I went there. And then I I did a little bit like, okay or not Danny STAN started to crop my leg that is when I conscious to hit him. And I didn't think I think it was right? He goes. Anyway, I was. I want to continue right? Oh, I think it was. I think it was the right cause while he was not defending himself. He went down face. I I know he came back up. But I I had no problem. I thought it was one hundred percent the right call. I think so. Yeah. What was it like in China for you was that your first time there? Yes. Time in China. You know? Oh the. Route to China, noting was everything was completed. Maybe even visa what China. Oh my goodness. So I didn't go in China on September seventeen for the site. Komo Shaw because I can be in Los Angeles. And then. We applied for his the VS you walk hot for look how top forty but they didn't give me give me give me. And then I came back to spend it, I Mon modern Mon in two huskies. They give me like one hundred nine. On november. Wow. Yeah. And then I went into China onto ten. On man hot. I went there. I couldn't be one. My talk one didn't work. No internet. No, no, social media not gang on. Then. I was like what I think. Mistake like come here by my. There was a way to. To make just on. I could talk back, but I couldn't yours like eleven our flights. So. Wasn't worth it on back to our just like the stain die because I stopped that, you know, but I and jeans insist to get a, and then I kind of like injury, basically, you know, like, we couldn't I couldn't eat like free like ease. You these year because they say, yes, you're gonna wash out the USA temperature or to keep me on aches. You might get into me. You don't know which media, did you don't know what company you don't know. Not have our juicy washout. So it's kind of like scary. You don't know where to put your the only team that, you know, for sure that you eat noodles and meat and fish and tell you that then you gonna you're gonna eat meat anymore. So he's kind of like it complicate everything was complicated. Wow. Well, at least you got the victory. I I noticed speaking of your your your diet. I noticed that you were for your title fight. You are to sixty three. I believe this when you're fifty four, but like you were like a slim to fifty four it was that a conscious decision on your part it fully you were slimmer. Yes. Even again, a Cutty even to Louisiana was to like two fifty fault. Yeah. And then uniform type of fight I could wait. I went to like. For the win day. Yes. I was heavier. Hideous. Yes, you know, like. A lot of teams that I'm just learning. I I didn't crew grow up. I let the team that. I I don't know. So I'm just learning like dire. Like, how to eat like, you know, I crew up in so move war that, you know, just having doesn't matter what you have to eat as soon as you have as long as you have something to eat, you gonna praise God, you know, you don't check. What is it? You're just print like, oh, Finally, I have something to it. You know? I don't know how to control what to eat stuff like that. And then now that I have a proficient f- either a have to learn that. I mean, I'm learning. It's easy. Try. Put teams to get because in this level is all about. This then I'm trying to figure out the deters to optimize my. My right. My full. There ever a point Francis. Where you thought you you might never feel this feeling ever. Again, the feeling of victory you doubted yourself. I know times it was very hard on you this year and all the public criticism and the drama. Did you ever doubt that you'd ever get back to this moment? You know? I honestly, I doubt. I mean like I kind of like feel like Jane is running away. And then I like some doubt on my in me. But I always show. I I'm I don't know why I have that sitting. But I'm always short that. I going to be Trump. I'm going to come back then that Sean is to win how so that was like my concern. But I I knew that going to happen. I you know, like. Might be my first time in the sport to be in this situation back into life. I used to I know how sometime you can go t at the bottom. And then that doesn't mean he's supposed to you know, you can't move calm any kind of short. But you was very hot was. Yes. Like Cup outy. You can't think you're like. Something. Can you think you're to sit in clear something is blocking you to have confidence in yourself, even do in your mind? You're like, you know, that is going to happen. But how you say so you was the kind of feeling that. I'm like I need like. Recre- to to get the team back. So this. That's exactly what I I was thinking for this site. Did you hear from Dana white afterwards? No. Why? Well, he was critical critical of you after your loss. I feel like congratulations would have been nice some kind of tech some kind of, you know, great job. I don't know if you're gonna if you're going to be openly critical after loss. Private text would be would be a nice gesture. You know, got something that I have done chose the what you're doing for yourself. And as long as you're doing your bed is okay. I mean people want. Always be okay. With your you know. So I don't know. I don't know. Join the focus just have to focus on me. And then a put any team or besides did you did you delete in? Yep. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, go ahead. I was just curious. Did you delete all your old tweets? I didn't delete it. You know? I get hacked, right? Yeah. Yes. I get hacked. Okay. I get some high hacker mess up. My socials. Like, my puts like any kind of security we change everything on then he wasn't it. He kicking kicking me away from my social. So I couldn't get access in it. I didn't Daley. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. I remember about that on on Instagram and all that stuff. Okay. I was just curious if you're I don't know he was. Ace dot com. Tutors says boo even my Email address. Oh, my changed it. Yeah. It's annoying. So I I know it's fresh, but I'm just curious if you had your way who would you want next who makes sense nex? I said. Jio? I'm excited for this weekend to see what happened. Yeah. Junior win like to. I would like to have to you, know, wise. I do wonder revenge against. I feel like the winner of this weekend's main event between scientists and tight we've us makes the most sense. Yes. No. It's not wrong. Yeah. It makes sense. It makes sense to me. Anyway. Who me if I right? I need. Call me. Me that he can give me the fight. So I'm waiting for. But for now enjoy the victory, my friend. What a year for you amazing. How this year started everyone thought one hundred percent champion the ups and downs. You come back you end on a high note, not only new end on a high note, you stop Curtis blades who was blazing hot in less than a minute. You're back. You're feeling good. What a way to go into two thousand nineteen. You showed us that you have to continue to believe be resilient have confidence in oneself. Don't listen to the haters. Don't listen to the critics do your thing. Don't have Dow it was beautiful to watch. Don't put your trust in people trust on yourself. 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This was a yeah, it was a land. We had to you know, we had to put him away put him away in the way we did. After say a lot of hours of work went into this crap. I cannot always take my preparation series. But big fan to the guys in Denver team elevating. They did a great job in. Yeah. Sharpening me up. And. Yeah. To my attended everything. And. Yeah, work happened the way I did. I feel like every time. Everyone wants to say, oh Alastair is done. He's past his prime over the hill. You come back with a performance like that to remind us that you are not pasture prime. You are not over the hill. I feel like this has happened several times throughout your career. This one though correct me from wrong. This one was special because I feel like after the last two performances. I it was starting to, you know, like your age and everything like that that that talk was starting like is it really is it really it for Alastair has he really reached that point where we should start talking about retirement. Then boom, you beat an up and comer like Sergei Pablo vich this one had to feel sweet if not the sweetest. Well, I don't know man. There's there's there's been so many this is my eighty. I think eighty nine flight. Wow. The next one is going to be into my ninetieth. Yeah. We've we we've we've met a couple of comebacks. Some I'm just I'm just happy to turn out. Right. And I'm still enjoying the ride the journey should speak. You know 'cause it was again two different camp again different city. Again, you gotta figure out again. I've felt age wise I could still make the jump. So let's just go for it, man. And then to be honest what else to do right, right? I don't feel old. I feel younger than I am over for it with, you know, back in the days in some of the gold. I am I don't feel. I don't feel for that. I don't feel old. I'm not gonna feel young. I don't feel your meter. But. It's like, I'm still going strong. I guess I love trading. I love doing it. I'm still kicking in the gym. They're still improvement damn so eager to learn. So. Yeah. And if I put some hair joy in my hair, look too. So we're not gonna give in we're going to keep on going. We're going to do this this this one jump back Shambo figure it out after that that was a little bit the mindset going into them. Her had a great chemistry the guys over there. And. Yeah. You could say motivation and hunger. Background. Okay. So it's been awhile since we talked. So I'm just curious. How did you end up in Denver, obviously, I know that you fought Curtis plates in in June back in Chicago. But how did you actually end up there? What what was the process that led you to to to moving out there for this camp and training with blades his team? Actually, finding one. So I ran into blades after he beat Mark hunt. And we are talking when I was like, hey, let's go train together because I didn't have many much partners. And he's kinda like coming guy. But then our fight got announced. So we're gonna stop talking. In the loss to fight. And then even happening fight. I was like I need to any the switch it up. I need to change things. Secondary. All my daughter's has come. Okay. So. Then the fight happen loss fight. But then after five to me it was like, hey, I got a switch some things working out. So Jeff Shaw, they invest in your fault. He was trading Duane Ludwig. I was texting number do and let me come do session actually takes new Milan. Results in Denver at the time. But right before jump on the plan was like if I'm going to try and Curtis. Let me kind of a mess. Just let him coming rice might be awkward if I just show up all of a sudden message anything, I assure come train up takes you the address some in them ver-. And he sends me a message overtraining here in here at this. And this time I'd like I think it goes to over one PM or something so show up team innovation. I had no idea about version number no idea about the coaches Nordia who train sorta. Where 'cause I just walked in there didn't know what to expect. And they're all looking at me. Like, what is he doing here? But yeah, yeah. It was like kind of weird, but I just did the session. They were very polite team team energy was great and actually after two free days training there. I kinda Verdy felt like, hey this way to go. I kind of always gone instinct. Sports rationale, but also also using feeling and I felt like, hey, I have to really gone for this couple of Albuquerque. How to talk with the coach there this news. I'm gonna gonna different direction them stop here. So that was actually the end of Albuquerque, and then the figure out them for team elevating, but she's done and ever working. So since I was back in back in August. And you stayed there from August in member. Did you go back home tween? I was I was I was back home brief, okay, just dollar and just type some some some things I little brief holiday and Miami to a couple of days, but I was in base in Denver with the new. And it wasn't weird for you to be training with blades after what happened in that fight in June. No to me because I don't have any go. And I think for him as well because it was very cool. Very cool guy. He's he's living younger than I am. But of course, I don't treat them that way. Just see this as fighters top five, but he was a gentleman very good guy. Very no ego whatsoever. And that I don't know because before you never know how it is. But I just felt really good in that environment humiliation, really good team, energy coaches for awesome. And they also they also pay attention to the energy. And I just felt hi this. This is working out and Christmas, Brad. Would it be fair to say that you're gonna stay with them? That's a very, yeah. Yeah. But I already decided that before the outcome of this because the grove is there for me, and I feel. I feel growing and I just feel good. They're no secret that you've ounce around a bit over the last few years. Are you hoping that this is your final stop? I'm he's normal. If you're training for twenty five years, of course, you're going to have a couple of gyms, right? I've had a couple of Jim Jim I twenty five years, different coaches. I think it's very helpful to have different coaches because you just every has certain outlook has certain luggage. And that can be depleted after a while. So changes is is not a bad thing. Yeah. And and let's be honest. You don't have a couple more years left in me. Then I think it's time to to do something else. I wouldn't wanna be like Chuck, right? That's too old forty eight. Now, we're not gonna do that definitely gonna do. But a couple more years. Yes. And definitely hoping this would be my last stop when you when you see that Alastair is that a reminder that this game can be very cruel. You could be the man. But if you stick around for too long, you can end up like that. And people are starting to talk about to you like in a sort of charity sort of way. Like, I I you're not there yet. You haven't even hit forty yet. But is it a reminder of, you know? Sometimes you can extend your career, and it doesn't end up. Good for you. And it could be very dangerous. Did you view it that way what happened on Saturday night a long time ago? I already realized that defied game, you know. You're going to be a loser. Hot game sooner or later. So. And that. Yeah. You shouldn't hang around too long. I've been fighting for a long time. I I find it was in nineteen ninety seven twenty years ago. But. Yeah. You you should fight you need that you need to have clear important for yourself and don't come back standard. You miss it. Then you're fighter hard, and this and that, but in my opinion need find other stuff to fill that. Void right. What do you think? You'll do whenever that time comes how do you feel that? Void. I actually give that a lot of FOX what I'm gonna do is. I'm going to. Do a couple of things I'm gonna partially live in Thailand. Which is one of my goals. It's like beautiful lifestyle there. Yeah. I'm gonna start to coach because I just love being in the gym. And I'm going to have like a bunch of kids like not even I already have freaked goes. But I'm gonna have like three or four more. Wow. Keeps me. Nice and busy. Wow. I remember talking to you not that long ago. You said you don't change diapers. You want to have seven kids. It's a lot of diapers. That means they must have a great partner. Right. Yes. Wow. Must be nice to have so many kids. Never change diapers. I wish I had that deal. I'm gonna take something. I've seen as a factor is done. A all also have to get to. I'm afraid. I saw beautiful picture you posted. Did your daughter come to visit you when you landed which she there at the airport that she did she give you flowers or something or is that from someone else? Yeah. She she comes pick-me-up actually both daughters. And then we my other daughter was we went to her up seen my girls. Yeah. Legacy. True. Yeah. I thought you look great. I thought you were powerful you're on point the finish was vicious. It was it was somewhat vintage over overall where you happy with the entire body of work. Very happy very satisfied. It's kinda funny. How you you kind of beforehand ready feel like, hey, this is going to be at. Right. Yeah. And solely depending on my own shape and form and input and camp and everything because my opponent, I didn't or too much from him. You know, of course, you see some fights. But the Pfizer was sometime ago, actually, the internet lied because it's headed we'll see what six two two pretty two pounds actually for those guys like small he's actually like a light headway was doing everyday, then the guy's like more big than me than me. So okay. So. Yeah. But as you were walking out, you're feeling good. You had a feeling that things would go your way. Yeah. I felt the right in camp already felt in the camp or any felt on the way. On the on the on the walkout during everything. I already felt and the other thing that was really good. What's really cool as the five being in Beijing? My crib being many times Japan twelve years in Japan over seventy six Japan never fought in China. Actually on your one doing the PR two two years ago. You know, and I I like Asian Asian cool. I train in Thailand often at a couple of fights in Korea. Which was like absolutely insane fans were in my opinion, never that crates. Yes. In South Korea. So. Yeah, China was was cool. Right. Birthplace of many martial arts. Another chapter in in in my history source like, yeah. Very excited about that too. I was just about to ask you about that. Did you feel any similarities from the crowd? It's not Japan. But did if you know, the the Japanese crowd, they're they're they're they're famous for being very quiet and being very respectful same kind of thing in China. Or is it a different experience? Yeah. I definitely fall. I definitely felt the chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. The people are different kinda different. They're kinda different the kind of culturally different behave different slightly different. Okay. But in the end, I don't know. I just cannot grow up with Asian people. I guess how is the food there? Food was awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And you can get around. No problem. You mean walk around there. Yeah. Actually, do I was just resting. No tell mostly okay, folks modern and yes, we did do the work. I did do the media Gatien. But most of all around the tell by the way avenue, John. John after the blades loss like that. Was that was also, you know, a very violent finish. And and it was somewhat hard to watch especially, you know, knowing you for so long how long did it take you to get over that one? Because I remember that night in Chicago a lot of people say, oh, this could be the end. I mean that was just really really, you know, it was a vicious ending. And you can hear it with elbows on the ground there for you, both physically, and mentally how long did it take for you to turn the page. You've always been good at that. But for that particular one, I'm curious. So I went back to Holland and. I I got stitching and Chicago of hospitals those like, you know, drama shooting victims and that guy so that was thing. Joe Romero came in. He was kinda like Punchdrunk something hurts he was like screaming vice crew that was kinda Larry's the next to the next. I went back to back to Holland. And you know, you start analyzing you start realizing, hey, what happened? Why did it happen? The way it happens. I'm pretty good at right half. A lot of fights eighty nine fights now. And and and you know, it's not that I lost. Several times. I like eighty percent winning Princeton lost like a number of losses. I'm good of analyzing it, and I'm good at just looking at what happened, objectively and. Yeah. Start making changes, and you know, to be honest. Okay. Six chima. Ed. Never good, right? You don't wanna have too many of those loss because that could really be the end of your career. But I was I when I lose I just wanna I just wanna play again. I just wanna do I wanna go, but I'm not gonna go again with the same configuration because it's a reason why lost we have to change some things, and you know, many times change a lot of stuff. Actually this time. Also change a lot of stuff and the main thing, of course, being the location being being switching teams or there's a couple more things. I changed as well. And then I just wanna go again. And I don't know it seems that. New weapons new ways of training new new methods. They're just they're just give you confidence. And I think I think that's a little bit the S of mixed martial arts to write fighting and self you keep going keep going, whatever. What else did you change other than the camp? I'm not gonna give you three narrowly. Not oh, I didn't. I didn't know it was a person like is very personal thing. No, it's not a personal thing. But. Yeah. I don't know. I just I just don't like to talk about everything. I never talk about everything. Right. I never give everything I give you I give you like a bunch. Yes. I mean, I it's a little bit hard to tonight at I'm trying to vacation, right? Sure. Sure. Sure. But. But but but but, but yeah, I I don't know. I don't want other other. I don't I don't I don't think the guarded tried to meddle when people to know everything about me. I know it's like sometimes like I asked you in the past about your walkout music. And you still haven't told me you remember when I asked you after you one sixty nine you said, I was like a salmon or something I still didn't get that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're still are. Okay. So so there are a lot of other things. Wow. Multiple things. Yeah. Okay. Was it was it was it hard to fully be happy about the victory. When blades, you know, when your friend, your new your new teammate, and everyone is invested in him as well, he loses. So like was that awkward at all for you? Yeah. Cool guy. We've we worked. We were actually in the camp together. No IGA manage total Koga told a genuine guy guy. Good guy, right zero bad vibes. And trust me, I've trained reveal all the different fighters. Champions legends all types in less twenty five years and goodness. Is a good guy, man. He's just dedicated to the sport focused, no bad things at all. I can say about cheese Toyota character, it was a little bit mixed emotions in the locker room because yes, I had a beautiful victory. And then he had a kiddie laws actually wasn't because he was not really gone, and you would you would say many vent you'll out to go little bit further. But then again, it was a little bit wobbly Francis hits like storm, dude. Yeah. Would have mixed emotions, right? How soon do you want to return? Well. I can fight against soon. It's up to me. Oh. And actually, I have somebody in mind too. That would that was gonna be your next question. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I saw your tweet earlier today are are you referring to the Black Beast ball? Let's go. That's who you want you want. Derek lewis. Yeah. Yeah. How come I'm gonna I'm gonna be putting him away? Well, okay. He's a strong guy. But other than that. I'm not impressed by him. And. Yeah. If I'm gonna put him away. Wow. Okay. So that's the one because you didn't say Derek Lewis on Saturday. But now, that's who you want. Saturday. Everything was fresh that was number one number two, you know, in in in in in America press conference are different. It's more America one-liners challenge air, so there'd be more and then Asia, it's respectful in. It's more different different five today. I was definitely not going to challenge. Anybody was more about the respect. But since you're not Asian. Right. Right. Now, we're now we're back to business. Okay. Well, moving ahead. So Derek Lewis. That's the guy has he done something to bother you. Or you just feel like it's a good matchup. You know? His humor. I think it's stupid. A lot of people are laughing about it to me. It just doesn't make any sense. But also, I'm gonna take him out. Okay. So somewhat personal. No, it's absolutely not. I've never had anything about him. But I'm just gonna take him up. All right. I love it. Okay. Let's go. And sooner rather than later if possible. Shuna rydell. Yeah. Alastair? It's good to have you back, my friend. I was happy for you genuinely big win people out. I didn't count you out by the way. I never jumped off the bandwagon. You had a little dog. Never I'm a rider dialys ter-. I am not going to jump off until this thing is has no more wheels on one wheel left. I'm still there. I got your back. I'm gonna alter that area. Always congratulations, my friend. Enjoy your time with your family. Enjoy the holidays, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you as always for for coming on the show. It's great to talk to gin. Yeah. Baby. Golf balls. Let's go. Thank you, all stir. There is over him coming off the big win over Sergei Pavlovich. And as he just said he wants hot balls. Derek Lewis coming off that loss to Daniel Cormie earlier this month, they Madison Square Garden. Let's see. I think it makes sense. Let's see if the obliges all right seven years ago, my friend seven years ago, the great John Jones who at the time was promoting you have C one forty his fight against leader. Machida? Join me in studio that is the last time Johnny bones Jones has been in studio. My program a hell of a lot has happened since then as far as this shows concern as far as his career is concerned, but he is back on December twenty ninth UFC, two thirty two he's fighting Alexander Gustafsson in a rematch in what I believe is a rematch of the greatest fight and you'll see history UFC one sixty five and the Harry his in the flesh, John. Are you? Sure know. Yeah, we're live, man. We're live. We don't mess around. Here. You got a heart out. You gotta leave. You gotta tight schedule eight. How are you? Dave. Everyone's in the house John here. I feel like I'm like looking at like like a like a Mirage right here your frame young. I know can you talk close to wanna hear you. How are you John? Great, man. Glad to be here. You look great. Thank you hair grove it. I'm actually gonna going to shave it off again for the fight. Okay. I thought the ball last got knock out. So why not try something different go ball again? So this is a real pleasure for me a real honor to have you here. I can't believe I'm talking to. Everybody when I put it out there. Everyone's like John coming in. It's so hard to get you. You're actually here. We're doing it, man. You're doing a whole media tour today. Yeah. All day. And can I ask you I was on the air what's going on earlier table drama with our counterparts? I take tweet about that. And they're a little they're gray. Staffs, lots of questions Ida pulling punches, and I'll go lay the smackdown, of course, that you're back. It was pissing off more Kellerman or Stephen Kellerman. Really? Yeah. But he didn't really pays me off who's asking spicy questions. You know stuff. I wasn't really wanting to get into. But things that I'm aware that sometimes it's necessary to get into. So it's just what it is. It's always got though. Yeah. I probably shouldn't tweeted that. All right. Well, it made it a bigger deal than what you don't do the whole delete thing anymore. I try not to as much. Okay. I've learned not to care as much. Oh, just let it be. Is that part of the maturation? John jones. I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. You don't care as much put up things that you wanted to put out like five six years ago. Yeah. Peaking away. You wanna put out? This is who you are taking early. I sure hope so I hope so you feel comfortable with who you are. I do come to my skin. Yeah. I do. I do you feel comfortable with how the people perceive you. The way people perceive, but part of me surrender to it. And just realize that it comes with the territory of being one of the all time leads sport. You know, like you like I mean, people say things like, and I'm not seeing that I'm in the same categories Jesus because I'm not even close even cheeses crew security. Chris crucified criticize rescue. So as like, you know, you look at guys like LeBron James who just build a school for young people. And he's still hated by many people look at you know, I I realize if you are in your sport. And if you are I mean. I mean, if you're an elite sports people are going to find things to pick at you for. I mean Dame Cormie Dana cronies a standup guy. Right. He has a lot of things. Right. And he people tell me all the time. How much they hate him. I just don't get it. Right. So there's something that comes with when you have a certain amount of greatness where you'll never quite beloved by everybody, and you have to be comfortable in that space. It takes a while to accept that. Right. It does it takes awhile except that. But you gotta learn to be grateful for it too. Because you're relevant, right? And you're not relevant, man. People don't give which way you go. What you're part of, you know, then that's that's that's that's when you really doing bad. So you know, when when I come out with things people wanna talk about it, and some, you know, half the audience a positive half negative. I'm just grateful to have one hundred percent of the audience. Right. They're not indifferent. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. When they're in different. They don't give a crap. Then then that's a real problem. Yeah. That's when your paper, your numbers, terrible, and and t shirts and sell in. And you know, so you feel like the game has missed you. I feel I. I feel like the game has missed me. But I also feel like they've had some athletes really keep them occupied kinda McGregor being the main guy guys. Then a great job of carrying the sport almost by himself for a while. Yeah. Have you missed the game? I missed the game tremendously. I appreciate the game more now that I have had it. Yeah. For sure a lot. What was there ever point? You thought you wouldn't get the game back that you wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know facing that for your suspension, and I it was that was devastating. I had to really reevaluate a lot of things like what I think about the sport. And what I think about, you know, fighting overseas, or who am I out side of the sport. And all that was it was it was a major learning experience for me to go through what I just got out of would you have waited like if you would have gone for where you actually have waited or do you have just moved onto something I would have moved on real probably not to something else. I probably would have talked to the of see about getting out of my contract and trying to fight overseas. Okay. Wow. Yeah. That would have been weird, right? Not really. No. I feel like. I feel like a lot of organisms would be happy to have me. They pay me pretty well. Okay. Not the money that I make in the UFC. But I felt like you know, wherever I would move. I'd be one of the top priorities in that company and be treated well. But you wanted to move on from the sport. No, not move on from the sport. Or no do this. You know, it's there's not many things you can do to make a million dollars in one night. Right. Over a million dollars a night, you know, and I'm very aware that so I wouldn't have moved on from fighting. Now, this is a very special job to have it reminds if what we saw Saturday, and I know you said that you won't respond to Chuck anymore. Oh, yeah. But is there a lesson there? You know, I just asked your old friend Alastair over him. He was just on old. For instance, you've been around for around. He had a big win on Saturday. I dunno if you saw that. Yes. But just about like as a fighter for you to Alyssa. Yeah. Happy for you. As though when you when you watch that. Yeah. Putting aside like the whatever beef that you guys had I never really viewed it as a beef. I don't know about you know, trucks, staying relevant, right? But is that we like is that a reminder that you stay around too long. It doesn't matter. How good you are in your prime. Oftens in ends like that. Right best elite delete ended that way. Right. I mean, I mean the idea scenarios go out more like Floyd Mayweather extremely successful. And undefeated doesn't happen often. That's what makes us such a special thing. That's something that I said I'm trying to do I consider myself undefeated. So that's the idea is to go out not needing the sport. But doing it because you wanna be there. Not because you have to be there. I'm not saying, that's Chuck situation. But that's what I would assume. Right, and yeah, it's tough to watch. Man. It's tough to watch. I'm sure it was bittersweet. I fans I'm sure it's great to see him walk out. Again. You know, what the blue shorts the mullet or whatever the Moja mohawk. Yeah. And I'm sure they love to see him. But who wants to see him in that form, you know? So the key is protect yourself at all time. Fight smart. You know, obviously, the standing banking thing is entertaining. But you know, I'm in the business of. Win where you can you know? And if that's take down the guy and right amount, or whatever you gotta do win when you can and go out go out with some respect, you know, in your mind. Do you have an end point? Give an age where you say like, I don't wanna keep going after this. I feel unsatisfied, you know, like, I feel like I've accomplished so much in the sport. But I feel like some of my troubles have made me just unsatisfied. Right. Unfortunately, people don't separate the two very well. So a lot of people do, but some people don't some, you know, I have I've had extraordinary extraordinarily beautiful career inside of the gun outside. Yeah. It's gone. It's been very rocky as of late, and because of the as of late part, I feel like I have more to prove. Okay. So I'm gonna continue to go in there until I can get just a few solid good years out of the way of no controversy and just kicking. And only that that's that's my goal. So in a way has this almost extended your career it has it's safe to say it has. Yeah. My my originally I was talking about being retired by age thirty. Wow. And now, I'm thirty one. And and I feel like I have a lot to prove still does it ever. Like, I don't know if you're the type of sit back and think about the past. But does it bum. You out like I could be. So like that Beatrice Johnson streak. I would smash the hag, right? Have been mine. Yeah. Could have been mine. Those things a lot. I do. But I try to awesome said count age that hasn't hatched. You know what I mean? It's like, then a white says who knows how how many titles John would Pat if he hasn't been hadn't been suspended, you know, how many more millions will make. But who knows what what what else could have happened? Who knows of I would have gotten a fight that would've seriously hurt me or injury or loss or you just never know what would have happened. So I. I just tried to count hasn't hatched people's talked to what if right, of course, especially since I came to this company. They love you here at ESPN because of the way you fight because of the style what you came into the sport the youngest champion and everything like that. And I always hear from people. You know, what thirty for thirty years. Right. Yeah. The documentary series. John Jones that's gonna be it. Can't you can't do it now 'cause your career is still going on? But because of everything that you've been through are you worried that as you just said like some of those things that have happened recently. That's gonna be the first thing people talk about he was so great. But but but and maybe if you go through a streak of ten years with nothing you can push that to the the back burner, and it's not at the first sentence time. I'm awhile boy area thirty. Thirty one forty one. Well, anything crazy crazy. So can't guarantee it I like to but nothing's guaranteed. What's your question? Exactly. I'm say, well, I I'm just curious. If you're worried that this will be the first line of your story, right? No. I'm not worried about it. I'm aware that it probably will for a long time. You're at peace with that. I'm at peace with that. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, I when I signed up to get into the UFC it was to be able to afford diapers and to make sure my family's good. And make sure that you know, my branch in my family tree is different than the routes that I'm from. And and that's what I've been able to accomplish. And that's what I truly signed up for man. And then along the way I you know, I started wanting to be this guy for everybody else. And and I I've kind of gotten back to not really worrying about being something for everybody else and focusing on my own salvation, my own my health my own mental. And his spiritual well-being and what being my daughter's fiance. That's that's what I've learned that. It's true most important. And so I tend not to not to really worry about things that out of my control these folks on. Winning fights taking care of my management taking care of my team the things that I can control. And then all the rest is just. Yeah. He's got to got to go with it. I recall being newer than that, you'd be cho- gun and our call you holding court at that press conference at telling us about the story earlier in the morning, how're you took down the mugger and all that. And they were called talking to Dana white even use the clip in the promo for last year's Cormie fight where he's like now comes the serious part for for John Jones where all the leeches are gonna come. And you know is he gonna make the right decisions? If you could talk to that guy back in March of two thousand eleven about what's to come about certain decisions to bake would you like to do? So. And if so what would you say to him? Yeah. I don't I don't really know. If I like to talk to that guy. I feel like things a life are all necessary. A lot of things are necessary. Obviously I've made mistakes but mistakes teach you what you don't wanna be what you don't want to do what you don't want to be a part of, you know, really proud of myself. I like I made a lot of good lot of good decisions. And a lot of a lot of Buddha. Made a lot of good changes in my life. Yeah. I don't know what I would say, it's it's the younger John Jones. Honestly, I have I have a lot of things that that's happened in my life that I regret. But but but they've shaped me into the guy that I am today. And I'm really proud of the person that an today my kids really look up to me a lot. They really Meyer me provided for been a really great, father and. My family's happy and my actual close friends like knowing someone's name knowing people are completely different. You know, very close friends. I'm a great friends with them all and I'm proud about myself. Could I ask what your biggest regret? My biggest regret out of everything. Like is there one I've ever talked about public things that that you know, general public would know about it was in the pregnant woman in that hit and run car accident about four years ago. Now that was even though it was four years ago. Man, I it it is something everyone has a mother everyone has a wife or sister. And that was that was one of the worst situations. I've been a part of man, you know, had no clue that was pregnant woman. No a woman. I just know that it was I felt like it was a Fender bender type of thing. And I would say it wasn't finished building. But I I wasn't hurt. I felt fine. And and I assume that the person I hit wasn't wasn't her as well. And you know, hairline fracture in the women's arm. She was a pregnant woman, and it was a terrible terrible situation. Being a father of daughters and Vienna. Flee on say, you know, being Fresno loves his mother dearly. You Herman a woman is terrible. That's something that that's probably one of the few things that I that. I would totally take back. It's good. It's interesting that you you mentioned that one because some stuff having before. But I feel like that was the beginning of a string of things right? Because I situation that was taken away. And all that. It's amazing. You think about that a lot still? No, I don't think about it at all not not these days, you know, it was like four years ago. Yeah. Hairline fracture for years ago. Grow made almost a million dollars off the situation. I'm sure life's been changed forever. And I'm not making it. Okay. But I mean to be real. I mean, the good life goes on girl's life on healthy. And and. Happen. I'm sure a lot of people. That's even listen. Right. Odds some stupid that. No one knows about inaugural ever know about right? I know that for a fact, so I try not to hold myself at court too often. I remember telling us actually three years ago two weeks ago when I went out Kirke to talk to you. Remember that day we spent together we walked around the park. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was your first interview since the accident, and I actually tweeted out like three years ago the anniversary was like a week ago three years ago. I went out credit talking John's one of the most memorable interviews in my career. You gave us the opportunity to talk to you. I and a lot has happened since then since that interview when you sit here, and you say, I change things I feel like people will go back to that interview. And other interviews, I don't believe him. Right, right. Why should people believe you now? Well. This may sound terrible. But a part of me really don't care if people believe me or not no respect it respect it. Yeah. I think what people don't realize is that even though I've had very controversial career over the last several years. I've really tried my off to to do things. Right. I'm aware that my kids are getting there. And you know, they're friends are having cell phones now, and and my actions, you know, they'll be able to read about one day. And so. I've been trying to do things the right way for a while. Now, I've had missed fortune. I really have. And and when you're me people aren't going to give you benefited out first of all because I'm good. And because I've I've done bad things in the past. But you know, I had had a situation where I took a melon Hansman pill, which I'm sure forty percent men in America have tried at least before out imagine. That's an only pill, and I got fired from work and publicly humiliated and became became somebody who's label to cheater no-one sympathizes for me because I'm multi-millionaire famous athlete. No one wants to sympathize for people like me. But you just gotta just gotta go with it. People have no one who said all that must be freaking terrible for this guy to be going through. How frigging garrison this is this for him and his wife, right? When one sees it from that perspective. So you just gotta realize that it's not a poor me situation. My last situation having what you saw was a teaspoon. Those taking a pension solid thrown into an Olympic size women pool and to be fired from work for a year lose all your endorsements. No one feels sorry for you people say, oh, well, if he he did coke when he was younger. So he must be guilty. It's just like it's just like instead of trying to interests that have having this poor me campaign. I just I just wanted to say. And just just keep getting my man. That's all I can do just keep game line. Are you doing anything differently in this camp to ensure there's no yeah? That's the scariest thing about this situation area. It's like it's like my last camp. I hired a hired a doctor where she had all these degrees. And she was doing my nutrition and supplementation. And I had I had a bigger team around me on that last fight than I've ever had before. Just literally I had a guy just to carry my bag. I had people mine. Attrition. I had guys for every martial arts discipline. I had I hired so many people to to ensure that I'd be damn core me, and I thought we did everything right? And for for literally of you think about the visual of a pinch of salt being thrown into an Olympic size women pool. How can you control? How can you can't control every factor? I mean, there's there's a chance that that your listeners. Are you have possibly has some type of something your body at one point you left that you side of what bust you for difference between me and you decided drug tests, everyday people. I mean, I'm fight. We we're not allowed to have certain sleep medications because you can pop for things that are sleep medications. So. I felt like I was doing things right leading up to the first day of Kwami fight. But I fell short and all I can do is just continue to just try to do things right, man. Just try to do things. Right. Into speed. Even more careful. The thing about being even more careful as you can run into a place where you're starting to become slightly paranoid paranoia. You don't trust people. You don't want anybody bringing food why fix your Cup of coffee. I haven't even had coffee from. I've been doing interviews all day then spent studios all day and every person every secretary has asked me today. Do I want a Cup of coffee before semi interview? I've set not every person 'cause I don't trust people the way I used to. So so am I doing anything differently? I really feel like I've been doing things right for a long time. Last time. I really was when I got in the head around car accident four years ago since then I took a mental enhancement pill like people do all the time. Lots have over. And this last situation. I I can say that I have no clue where it came from. And know that probably sixty percent people want believe me, and I gotta be okay with that. Are you happy that the return fight is against Gus considering your with him? Yes. I am happy with it. Because what I do is. I get to I get to answer multiple questions at once. How is young versity? How's it going to deal with this level of adversity? How is he gonna find office there for the first time, which is the most stupid thing? Right house going to do against somebody who pretty came pretty close to beat them. Right. I love this. Because it takes a lot of Basel. Do what I'm doing to step back out there to put yourself back out there to put yourself out there after you just? Had something extremely devastating happen to you. You know, like to get accused Joyce theorize when you know that you didn't do it and to have everything crashed in front of your eyes, and and to go through that level of depression and sadness and then risk coming back to work and risk eight all passed. We haven't into your again. It's like it takes boss takes a lot of balls. But I'm here for it. I'm here for the challenge. When no-one said it should be hired. I mean, no-one said it's supposed to be easy, right? When we spoke earlier this year, you told me that you checked into a rehab center did because of everything that's going on plus to deal with your mom's passing. Yeah. Yeah. When you're there's more like a trauma center it was trauma rehab. Okay. Was that a hard thing to you know, you have an ego. Right. Yeah. To go in people know who you are. Yeah. Did you feel like that was a blow to Eureka like how are you doing? It wasn't a blow to my ego. I went to a place called the guesthouse Ocala in Ocala, Florida, people consider it one of the best trauma therapy centers. And and the country. There's other celebrities there and stuff like that. And so it wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't a blow to my ego. Because the knew that I wasn't alone with topping about sadness talking about talking about. Addiction talking about trauma, childhood trauma and things that dealt trauma. And it was great, man. It was it was exactly what I need it, man. I I I've had a lot of things go on throughout my life. A lot of good and a lot of bad, and I've never talked about any of it to anybody on a professional level. And it was good. I did a lot of crime and behinds with almost thirty days of crying. Yeah. Crying and praying and talking about just life, and man, I used to think psychiatrists and counselors refer the week. And I realized that it's for everybody. Do I also realize that depression is for everybody, you know, being a guy who's undefeated, you know, multimillionaire, I think I'm gonna put looking guy. Right. I thought that I can never be the type of person that was verily sad and depressed, and and this summer, I truly was severely side and depressed. So I got to learn a lot about the whole thing about depression about trauma about addiction. And and I feel I felt for men. This. I feel weight lifted off my shoulders, and I actually think it's gonna be something. I'd do every summer. Oh every summer. I think I wanna spend thirty to sixty days with just grouping. Now, are you continuing to talk to someone even I was for a while. I was talking to a counselor for awhile Albuquerque. And then when my training camp start at just felt like I was struggling too much. I've seen this guy three times a week. I felt like it was jazz juggling way too much. So I told him that I picked up with him after this fight. Okay. Great. Because you know, my goal is to win the title back and reevaluate how I feel now that everything is back flown in the direction has always been, you know, making sure that that I'm just handle on it. Well, would it be fair to call you sober? Now. Are you sober? I still drink. Okay. Yeah. So much spoke to every once in a while. Okay. Are you at a good place? Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know. I- Poon owes coach you tell your coaches about the drank that I'm done high being not not like not like a crazy crazy amount. You know, some weekends mainly on the weekends. You know, you wanna be sober? Or is that not, you know, it was something that out something I was striving for especially going to rehab this summer. You know, I I was striving for complete sobriety. Yeah. But it wasn't. I'm not ready for it. It's not it's not who I was. And why am in my life and my career, and I'm at a place to be honest with myself, but being in there, definitely matured me a lot, you know, talking about why people drinking and things like that. And what I learned area was a lot of times alcoholism or even person who smokes every day. A lot of times is the reckless related to trauma, trauma or trauma in general. And people don't realize why they're doing certain things, you know. No, it's not it's not normal that drink every weekend or smoke every day. A lot of time. You're masking lotta times, you're masking something, and that's what I learned. So I learned that I was masking things I learned some of the things that I was masking and. And just look at it. Honestly, will you stop leading up to the fight or. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. How's your now? I know. Okay. We haven't gone there. Yeah. I don't know. I I don't know, man. I I like to enjoy myself in to enjoy. So I feel and we just have a couple of minutes left. Here's flying by. Thank you for the time, the greatest robbery and UC histories, you versus Daniel cormier. We've talked about this before. I remember is it arriver all it has to be it when you guys go back and forth. I know you're up to technically, even though California would say, you know, one no contest he acknowledges that it's you know, to for you. He doesn't acknowledge it though. He does I feel like I feel like in some interviews. He'll say like, I've always say it to you guys. He beat me beat me, fair and square. He and then other view interviews. He goes. But did he really beat me? Okay. Because you could be because because you had something in your system. Right. So we can't say that you cheat. It I understood the truth of the matter is depending on who is interviewing with or when it's convenient to him. He can say he can look like he's being a big man in San I'm mature enough to amid John beat me. But then you look and you turn around the next day. He saying. But did he really be? I say which one is going to be a man and say that I beat you. Or you're going to blame it on a pinch of salt being thrown into an Olympic size women pool. Really a pinch of salt is what loud another man to knock you out in front of your family, pincher salt. My question is he says he's retiring in March. I personally don't believe him knowing the competitor that he is that he will be able to walk away without fighting you another time Dana white said recently, he wants to be more fights at I feel like it's inevitable that you too will again. We have to see this. I feel like if I were to happen. It'd be him challenging me at light heavyweight or it would be that you see throwing a ridiculous amount of money. I make it happen heavyweight. Uh-huh. That's that's how it's going to happen. Did you agree with me that it's not done? It is done in your mind. Yeah. It's done man done. Do you saw me unstaged saying, hey, guys? Why are you guys born Daniel? Guys, a hell of a father. He's a hell of a teammate. He's you know, I aspire to be a lot more like this man at that very moment. You were done. I was done man. I was done sitting there crying national TV. I was absolutely. A lot has happened since then he talks a lot of trash what I love it for him to just man up and say God damn guys once and for all on record. This is what happened John Jones. He beat me the first time he'd beat me after cocaine right by unanimous decision in the second time he'd beat me by knockout. Right. And then the hate is gonna say 'cause you do steroids and then rebuttal once again will be a pinch of salt and Olympic size women pool. Fine. Just like when I first came on I want because my arms were long because my brothers were in the NFL, just an athlete. All they always going to be excuses, man. Nobody would never say, hey, this kid's good. And as if that is what it is even I don't like the guy. I don't mean like his personality of blah. But I mean that blame Mellon handsome it. You know, I'm sort of babble on let me it was just what you got you guys bring out the best in each other. But also the worst innocence because it's so personal at times the Instagram post back and forth, and he's posting days. You're posting things. I just I don't believe that he'll be able to walk away. And you see want to see it happen because of the money that you guys generate. Yeah, we do we do the business again. Yeah. But for me, I don't hate them at all people talk to me about constantly. Yeah. Is if as if we're one and one, but I'm too and organs Cormie like I said once I fought him at a disadvantage and won by unanimous decision. What's people's excuse for that? Right. There's no excuse for that. I'm a better fighting the second time I beat them by knockout. And I guess I gave people excuse for that one by having metabolites my system, but in my heart. I know who I am and -ccomplish then got nothing. Prove last thing. How are things that Jackson wink, a lot of drama Grey's days as Donaldson? Cronies what's going on? What is great, man? Every everything is good, man. Everything's good on the team and everything's good on the team injections mixed martial arts. And my opinion is is is when the top three martial arts programs in the world have been foods. I don't know five ten years always in the loop with the greatest teams in the world. The relationship over there will between the coaches and fighters very strong. Very good cowboy Surani had his own situation. And kind of I believe kind of separated itself from the program started developing his own identity is own program his own team his own banner and. And what we saw on this. Last cowboy my parents ration- was was a guy came to the team saw things he conquered things. He's a part of the same. He's always legend of our team. We always represent him. But he was moving. He was moving on. He was developing his own team in the same community. And and I feel like the coaches Nathan do was best for the future of our program. That's that's support young fighters coming here with big dreams to do what they gotta do and take care of their family. Same way, we have other twelve pounds on our team that are in the UFC that I support and that I help and that could possibly challenge me for the title one day. It's part of business as part of what it is as same way that I came into the sport and fought Rashad Evans. Is it just what happened? There's a lot of details and the fight and the situation that a lot of people don't realize and they're so quick to say, oh, well, these guys are not loyal. They're they're leaving their old heads for these new guys. What have loyalty is that who would want to be on that type of team and people don't realize that when I fought which Evans he had far I think about three times outside of the Jackson's camp by the time we actually fought each other we'd enough to fight and then and Cowboys Rony situation. Coach my we'll go John coach against Cowboys running and choosing to work with Mike Perry. You know, Mike with John pays for gigantic building. Right downtown Albuquerque. I don't even know what the rent is to cover the Bill for us to have that building. He has to pay that Bill. So you can't you can't kick out young fighters for guys who. Are almost competitors. At this point. He has a huge gym right in the same community as you can't go doing that. You gotta you gotta protect the longevity in the future of the team. If you would have kicked me out of Jackson made while we're already training at Boca Raton. You would never have me on the team. That's that's provided from our team for years now. So you so you you can't just be throwing away. Young. You never know who some people are going to turn out grow up to be what they're going to bring to this program on. So I support coach John for being with my one hundred percent and everything's good with the team good. Everything's good. Welcome back. Johnny man. What a way to end the year for the USC, the semi twenty-ninth UFC, two thirty two t mobile arena. John Jones for south Guston rematch of the greatest fighting UFC history. You'll see one sixty five five years ago in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, huge pleasure. Huge honor to have you in studio. If you don't mind doing for charity here having all our in-studio guests sign this banner before they leave you mine. What's the charity? Well, we're actually I decided, okay. There's two that we're working on right now. But I think can I say this Jake is it, okay? Okay. The potential someone throw this out on Twitter. And I'd like to give the proceeds whenever we give this away. I'd like to give it to Ray boards family. Oh, you know, he's beautiful. I was gonna make a joke. Instead and tell you that I wasn't saying, oh, I'm a bad person. Ok bad people. Don't do things for Tara. No. But very I'm not gonna joke. Man. He he's he's gonna pull kit and his is his babies have been having a lot of complications and absolutely sign this. I actually reach out by recently. And I was more. I can do he's he's really great, dude. Man. He's great teammate. And I feel bad for what's happening with his baby. He's been through a lot. So we've been having all as you see there's a lot up there. Someone on Twitter said you should give it three times. And I know he has a gofundme account. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's something about Twitter's will give you guys opportunity to go. Find his go fund me account to this. I know his babies having some serious complications. We all have kids, and you what's that? Nobody then. Cool. Thank you, John. Dan. On December twenty ninth. Thanks. I appreciate you could go where we're still live here. So you sign it. Yes. I know. Right. You don't take. We don't take breaks here. John we go out. It's my sweat pits. Man. You didn't have to say anything no known was gonna acknowledge that. I can see it. I can feel it was it hot under the lights here. John. I take interview. Was this one better? All right. Thanks, the markets are right over there below you see them there. They are Johnny bones. Jones the goat in the building returning December twenty ninth in Las Vegas, picking out the right color. I don't know if you have a goal there. John. Yeah. We need to get that for the next one. Just don't read it over DC's name over there. Oh, my what a moment December twenty ninth theory assigning our billboard. And also we have another title fight on that card. Of course, Amanda Nunez versus Chris cyborg dare I say, they're stared down more intense, and John and gusts earlier this month. I appreciate John. Thank you so much. Don't be a stranger my, man. All right there. They go the team in the house. Appreciate it guys. Thank you so much there. He goes the one and only John j-o-h-n stopping by what a pleasure what an honor to have meant studio, December twenty ninth in Las Vegas. He returns you see two thirty two. Wow. That was fun. Good to talk to Johnny bones returning last time, he fought July of two thousand and seventeen. Of course, Anaheim Daniel Cormie one that night month later got the news from California from you Sada has been out since then and he finally returns after the suspension, the fifteen months spent on December twenty ninth in Las Vegas. Okay. That was a lot of fun. Now, you know that December twenty ninth UFC's final show, you know, that PF L is actually ending the year on December thirty first let us keep the in-studio train rolling along here and say Hello to the president of the professional fighters league one Carlos Silva. How are you? Carlos welcome in-studio tough act to follow Carlos. I don't know if you know this. But John Jones was just sitting in that chair. Please have a seat he's taller than I am. Yes. He's a very tall guy. It's great to have you here Carlo. Appreciate it. If you mind up to the. Microphone over there. Don't be shy. Yeah. How do you feel that? That's a lot better. Well, thank you for coming number thirty first we ended the, you know, it's interesting that you're in-studio right after John Jones Carlos because John Jones is is is a foundational type of fighter. Right. The he's a guy that you build a promotion around urination is in its infancy. I don't even like to consider the World Series of fighting days when talking about you guys like you really had your first year. It's about to end on December thirty first when you see a guy like that, you think like if we could just get one John Jones that changes everything, right? Well, you know, I when I say John Jones walk out, and you see what kind of an athlete is first of all you realize what great athletes Emma may athletes are right because I don't think really the general public understand that. But then you look at what we're doing on December thirty first, and there's going to be six champions six grade out the all gonna get crowned. They're gonna get paid a million dollars each. And I think that foundational product piece changes a sport too. And. You know, it's funny because John sends something on social the other day. We were talking about something, and he jumped and he said, wow. This is amazing. What they're doing a really? We're back in and so yeah. And so people are noticing. I'm glad now John Jones noticing because I think I think the communities noticing so here we are. And you you wanted to come earlier, and I and I mentioned to look let's do it after the playoffs. Come and see I appreciate that. But. But I wanted to get your take, you know. Okay. So we have the finals coming up, but I want to get your take on the entire regular season, the entire playoff be honest. Are you happy with it? I'm sure not every like if I would have talked to you guys started in June, June seventh. Yeah, I talked to June six and said, okay. Everything could go your way. What are your hopes? What your ass brations here? We are November twenty six are you happy with the way the first season has played happier than I thought. Really? Well, look, you know, we came here on June seventh Madison Square Garden, we kicked off the season. Yeah. We said let's start here. And let's end here. And so that's kind of a nice story. We got a regular season. We've got seventy two fighters we've got a regular season that no one's really done fighters. Have to fight twice. They get points. What are the points all about? No one really knows what the points are all about right? I can tell you honestly era when we had our fighter meetings, and we explained all this to the fighters when they came to our media day back in February. They were processing it to you know, I'm amazed been around for twenty five years now. We were putting something new in place. So, you know, we're fighting you, and I are fighting you get a finished. You get a win points for your win. You got a couple extra points for your second round finish its new once those first fights happen here at the garden, and then in Chicago, and then in DC, you could see everybody starting to realize. Oh my God. I lost. I got zero points I want and I got a first round knockout. I got six points. I'm gonna make I'm gonna make the playoffs, and they would start you could start to see that sort of like you see in every sport in football tapping right now as we get into, you know, week ten that where we twelve that we're in now in the NFL season. You know, the teams are starting to sorta strategize you could see the fighters doing that in the regular season. Right. So I think that went probably better than we thought we had a few injuries the rules that we sat up on alternates in the way that would work all played out. We got through our second round of the regular season. It laid out, you know, bipolar wants one versus eight two versus seven and we threw them into this. March madness style playoff quarterfinals semifinals right again. We sort of had to do a reset remember telling the team regular season went better than we thought. It all worked out that none of that matters anymore right now in the playoffs. Right. Completely new situation. Fighters are going to fight twice in the same night quarterfinals two rounds. Right. They'll rest come back thirty minutes light or semi final three rounds. Although we had done some of this in our past. And there's been a lot of tournament formats, but we hadn't done it at PF L was the first time. And and I tell you it all held up couple of guys couldn't get through a couple quote lucky losers. Made it in guys, you know, hurt a hand in the quarterfinals even though Yabu boxers. And example, of that, you know, we want hurt his hand he couldn't continue. And and so both John got to you know, slot in and go through to semifinals. I think though semifinal fights where the tents they were strategic. All of these guys are trying to think about how how do I get into that finals? At Madison Square Garden and try and win a million dollars and change my life, and you could see all of those gyrations happening every fight in the cage, and we came out of these playoffs. The third night of the playoffs in Washington DC. We've got our six finalists yet and a great special of that with. And I think I think we've made it a lot of people weren't sure all of us weren't sure we laid it all out. We did our homework we sort of tried to look at every corner case and covered, and and all those things sort of played out. And now, we've got six great fights championship fights to win a million dollars and become PF L world champions. And so I think the format is held up. And I think some some some stars have emerged guys. Like Ray Cooper. I mean, you know, we've all seen right Cooper over the years and he came out in the regular season. And you know, he started had a couple of tough fights. He fought Jake shells, Jake taken down what he wrap them up. And you know, his power is speed. And you guys have emerge. Any maga- less is like I mean where? Have you know, we've seen Venny fed? He looks great these incredible moves. Yeah. He's a BJ world champion. But yeah, I didn't really know how is gonna play out. And again, I think he's focused and clear on what he wants to which is went about and win a million dollars. So I think I think the format has become a star. And now these stars are going to merge as we get to the championship night. So yeah, very happy with the way, it's gone anything. You wish you could have done differently or will you differently in the future? I agree with everything you just said, it has gone, and I will admit I too had my doubts, and I think it's really worked out better. There's a few things that I I would suggest changing, but rather hear from you. Well, look, I think I think if you look on if you look on social, and even if you talk to the fighters when we left the regular season we came to the playoffs and that fighter meeting we reminded all of our fighters at in the quarterfinals. It's only two rounds. And in two rounds? There could be a draw because there's only two rounds. So the fighter that wins the first round if there's a draw will then advance to the semi finals. Yeah. There's a lot of like arms went up, and they're like, why are you doing that? It was like, well, we looked at a lot of different ways to advance the fighter into the semi's. And that's what we came up with working with Ray working with the fighter team that was the role. Everyone knew the rule so fighters had to come out and win that first round. I think we'll look at that rule next year. I think certainly if you won the first round you're happy with the role. Right. If you fought a great second round and felt like maybe the momento the fight was going your way you probably didn't like that rule. And so I think that would be something that we would look at is. How do you? How do we deal with the, you know, the two round quarter finals you have to have two rounds as we went to the states that allowed our playoff feature of fight twice in winter. Ice. You can only fight five rounds in one night five rounds the equivalent of a championship nights, those real rhyme or reason for why it's too in the quarters and three in the semi snow pay. But we still have to make sure that in that to round fight that the best fighter advances. So I think as any league will go back and look at how it all worked out once we get through this championship. And we'll we'll make a few tweaks, you know, you look at NASCAR they tweak their playoff format of, you know, going from ten drivers to twelve to sixteen they've advanced and baseball has added another wild card over the last ten years, etc. Etc. So I think we'll look at each of those things and try to prove it. I'm happy that. That's when I was going to bring up. Yeah. So much respect. I'm just curious. And you probably looked into this way more than I have because you're dealing with the Commission's. Can you do maybe three three minute rounds? So that it's an odd number, but it equals out to twelve minutes. Or so, you know what? I mean. It's a great question. I think the reason we. Went the way we went to rounds three rounds because it fell within a rule set that the cash had approved commission say you can fight five rounds in one night. What what some commissions haven't yet told us that you can fight to separate fights in those five rounds? But now that we've done this in California. And Andy foster was great. We've done it in Washington DC. And and yeah, we went down to Louisiana, then there's a number of other states that have already approved us. And now that we've done it this year, then even more states will prove it next year. That will be a question that a commission might ask us as well as that we might allow it this way, and that could make a change, you know, in nineteen or twenty house the business, you know, Thursday night's typically you're on right selling tickets gates things of that nature. How did it go? Look, I think the stadiums were full to your point. We started June seventh. Yeah. So the PF owls, really only six months old. It's just going to be six months old. So I think like any new league new sports league we have to continue to build the awareness build it in the local markets luck. I think the good news about our format winning can sometimes be difficult. Depending on markets. And so you want to have local fighters markets. You know, we see it doesn't matter. You know, what Emma may organization is throwing a fight if they're going to Canada, they're going to New York if they're going to Seattle they're try to bring in that local flavor. We don't have that quite that advantage because the regular season plays out and the venues are set. And so I think those are things that we're going to try and dial in to help the business to get more people sell more tickets bring in those arenas. But I think the way we approached it as we've been in five thousand person arenas, and it's really a made for TV product, it's free on television. No, pay per view. And so from that sort of intimate sort of boutique feeling being in a five thousand person arena, really every seat is great. You know, we're going to be here at the Hulu theater Madison Square Garden. I know you've been there a million times, and there's you can sit anywhere in that arena. And feel like you're you're up close and personal with the fighters and really getting to see the action. So we'll continue to build that in the. Raina, but really build it on on television as well. I feel like you're format is perfect for the Vinnie. Mega issues of the world. The the the Ray Cooper's of the world the Jake shields as the world, meaning guys who either aren't stars yet or trying to maybe, you know, turn back the clock or get one last shot at glory. Have you found it difficult because I know you've talked to some free agents some notable names to convince them to go through the ringer of the regular season in the playoffs. You need some big names. Right. It'd be nice to have some big names recognizable names to attach your company towards hit your wagging on or whatever the term is. Have you found it difficult to convince them to join when when they're used to fight? Once I get a big pot of money as opposed to go through this whole process to get the big pot. I I don't think there's that many big pots of money first of all. So you know, if you take the five fighters that are sort of dipping their hands into the big pots of money. There's you know, thirty other great fighters that aren't always getting tapped into that million dollar purse. So I can tell you every single conversation always comes back to and and I could win a million dollars the other piece. That's really interesting all I have no problem fighting in tournament style playoff format. I like that. I did that when I was growing up. I, you know in wrestling or I did this in judo or even boxing. And so that hasn't been an issue at all. And I think we've already seen it now that we've come out of the playoffs point. And I think maybe like you we waited on some of those conversations because we wanted also show all of those top fighters that regular season. And and the champ and the playoffs really worked that's happened now. So we just continue to get more and more. And I tell you when the million dollar checks are. Over the heads of these fighters, and they get their belt. It's just going to continue in terms of those phone calls. There's no doubt about it. And to be clear, if I'm Sean O'Connell, for example. And I went on December thirty first I'm walking away with a million dollars. No strings attached. That's right. In addition to whatever my purses for that night. Right. Or is that? No, no. So the way the way the playoffs work. Yeah. Is is really the way the playoffs work is you really get paid when you exit the tournament exit because you lost in the quarterfinal semifinals the runner up or exit because you're the winner. Okay. So the way that the structure worked as fifty thousand if you lost in the quarterfinals one hundred thousand if you lost in the semifinals two hundred thousand if you're the runner up and a million dollars. If you're the winner, that's the same across all of the all of the way classes, but if I want in the quarters or semi like if I'm Finney Maga. Yes. You're kind of that. I get paid anything for the playoffs yet or have I not received getting your you're getting your paycheck. When you when you become. Runner up or you become the what if I get injured in training. There's there's a stipend that was paid out. So that they didn't feel like they went home. Yeah. Handed out into quarters in the semi's in one night. And then the balance will be paid on on fight night to them and equal million dollars. Equal two hundred thousand dollars. Hope it doesn't happen, obviously. But what if someone does get injured in training? What is the the backup plan for? So we have alternates across all six and the alternates are the highest ranked fighter that lost in the semifinals. Okay. They will come to Madison Square Garden on December thirty first and make wait. Oh, wow. And they will be ready to fight there and camps now. And if something happens they will then slot in not unlike what happened in the quarters in the semi's where a couple guys fell out those other fighters had to be ready. The same will be true of the championship night. If they weigh in. But don't fight. Do they still get paid? They do. Okay. They get to. Okay, they've done their hard work. They've got to come and be the alternate. And so they will get paid to calm and show up and make wait. Absolutely. Here's the the question. In that. I'm most interested in house, the TV situation going where are we going to be in two thousand nineteen? Yeah. It's a great question. I can tell you that everything that we're talking about has create a lot of buzz. Okay. You know, we've got we've had great partners in in NBC and Facebook Facebook new this year NBC's been with us for six years and excited to continue that into the championship. And I think in the next couple of weeks as we get to that championship. We'll be announcing our twenty nineteen and twenty twenty partnership. I don't happen before the champion shadow. Really? We're happy to talk more about it and share it. And I. Think I think we're very close. Can you give us any hints? I can't give you any. Are you happy? I I am how close are you happy with very how could be very happy. I think I think the PF owls cannot continue to grow. And I think both here in the US and international. You're gonna see us grow more. Okay. Are you guys gonna put on events internationally or not gonna stay in the states? We're probably in nineteen going to be here in the states. And then we'll look to twenty twenty international, but certainly were turning up our distribution in the rest of the world as well on the international front excited about that. How many events in twenty nineteen on eleven events in twenty nine thousand how many did you have this here? Ted of that's ten. What's the the one extra one? Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. Ted Ted events in in two thousand nineteen as well. Okay. Same way classes while we're adding a female white climb twenty two the same one. To the same ones that you had this year. Correct. Okay. Are you bringing I I worry that it might be redundant? If you just bring back the same eight guys, right or more than guys, right? Seventy seventy two started the season. Yeah. But freeze way class, right? Like twelve twelve per Waclaw. Yeah. Are you just going to be the same guys? So so the way it works again sort of looking at all the different sports formats, if you made the semi finals you get to keep your tour card your seat. So have you made it to the semi finals you're in the twenty nine season, then we would go down and look at the quarterfinal s and then certainly look at the top fighters from the regular season. We'll go from twenty four fighters that'll be in based on being semi-finalists to fifty fighters sort of metal of December. And then back to our seventy two fighters by the middle of January. And then outs our roster on February first. Okay. Wow. You guys got it all planned out. You know, you gotta if you if you have a season you have a league, you gotta you gotta hit your marks. And I think it's something that the fighters. Yeah. Appreciate it. Because they understood how they had to get ready and when they had to get ready. When is the first event of twenty nineteen also first week of June. It's gonna be a little bit earlier one of the other things going back to your question of of what would you look at to fix for next year? Is we got a little tight on our season this year, and we probably coulda used another week to ten days in between fights for the fighters. And so next year we're going along gate that by two weeks. So we're going to start in may the regular season go from may to August. And that way, we'll give a little more breathing room to the fighters to be able to rest if they've got any suspensions due to some stitches or cut they got those extra, you know, ten days twelve days to rest in between their fights, which will make a difference. Still going to be on Thursdays. Still going to be on Thursdays. Yeah. I think Thursdays worked out. Well for Thursday's. Yeah. I I liked it a lot. I thought it gave us something to talk about. It was, you know, wanna watch great Thursday night. PF L action MMA. You can do that. So we're gonna continue on Thursday night. And you're almost guaranteeing. No competition. No other events happening that night. Always run into a collision with you know with a baseball or a NASCAR. But yeah, right now from the front it's usually Friday Saturdays or Sundays. So there's really no there's nothing to go up against curious considering your now, fully entrenched in all of this. Did you watch the golden boy event on Saturday? I I watched one fight of the gold. Okay. Let me guess which one. What did you make of the product? And do you think that they are serious about staying in the business, or do you think this is going to be a one off? Yeah. I I don't know. I don't know how to answer that felt a little bit. Like it was a one off. Certainly. Yeah. The main event probably just makes me feel that way. I thought. Yeah. I thought that was a good event luck. I know Chuck, well, I don't know. Tito. I don't know the build up was there that you really wanted. It didn't really feel like there was the kind of buzz that maybe everybody wanted. But yeah, it's still chocolate Alan Tita RT's, and those are two big names. And I thought that came out, and you know, I watched the press conference afterwards. And I thought chocolates, very honest. He's like luck. You know, I came out. I thought I felt good out there, and I got caught got caught. And then I got hurt and lost fight. But let forty eight years old. I thought he got in the cage thought he looked great on. Tito was clearly ready. So it was a good good fight for both of them. Did they approach you guys about being a part of this about doing the fight under your banner, we did talk? We took out Chuck is work for us in the past. And so we know them, well, we talked a little bit. But I think just the entire format really wasn't the type of thing that you know, we were looking for. We were launching, you know, this whole format with the regular season, the play-offs just didn't really fit. But yeah, we certainly wish chock and Tito. Well, it seemed like good fight. Everyone seem healthy at the end of the fight which. Alright important to any concern that there's just too much of a may on TV that there's over saturation. Not really. No, not really. I'm concerned, are you? Yes. Very why? There's too much. There's just too much baseball yet. But there's a break distance makes the heart grow fonder, come January, February I'm like, man. I haven't seen a baseball game in three or four months. I missed this. There's never a break in mate. There's a break in PF L. There is a break in. It's all right. But it's a great point. And you're right. I mean like a couple of other sports have that problem too. I mean, certainly the tennis guys would say the same. Yeah. They don't have a break. They come out of December and go into the Australian Open the same issue. So so you're right. There may be that, you know, sort of cadence every week that you do start to get a little bit numb. And we think that's why the format of regular season through a championship works because they'll be six guys that are champions. And then next year. We'll you know, we'll have a female division two champion. And then the kind of go back and regroup and figure out what they gotta do for the next season and go again, and maybe that will to your point make the heart grow fonder to come back and see maybe how someone defense because certainly defending PF L belt's gonna be interesting to get through a second regular season playoffs and championship. Speaking of females unanimously that you are going to do a one fifty five pound women's tournament next year. Of course, the fate. I think the face of the organization right now is Kayla Harrison. And that's a very good face to have she's nominal as far as fighting. On the Mike etcetera. But you've done a great job with some other guys in particular, Ray Cooper said he'd be number two. I don't know if I can name. I don't know if there are eight hundred fifty five pound females in the world right now. Why did you choose one fifty five and not one forty five where you know, very famous that you have is having trouble fielding eight fighters right now. It's a great question. And there's definitely eight one fifty five's in the is going to be eight or twelve B. We're we're still finalizing either. Or okay, we've talked about both and we're still finalizing it. There's there's definitely twelve. There's probably sixteen. Okay. Ray back in back in Vegas already. Got a nice list going. Okay. I think you know, we looked at we looked at Cala who's clearly the centerpiece of that division. No doubt about it. With her time to gold medalists and our two wins in MMA. Right. And we sort of looked at. Brill helping understand sort of weight cutting and sort of the dangers around way cutting and trying to really put a division together that the women could concentrate on fighting and not just concentrate on making weight, and so we felt like for this first year at one fifty five was the way to go. No one's been at one fifty five. Certainly if you you know, if you talked to Brittany who fought Kayla in her first fight Britney Alcan's. I mean, she tells stories about cutting her hair off at times to try and make that last third of a pound of weight because she had to cut so much weight to get there. And she's you know, she's a she's a tall woman. And and so we looked at the the white rate, and we thought one fifty five was away to go and Kayla was happy with it all the other all the other ladies that we've talked to seem happy with it. And they're gonna be able to concentrate on fighting are you guys going to be aggressive and signing some big names in this off season to try to get you know, I know. Oh you spoke to Cup Swanson. I know there was some conversations with Eddie Alvarez. Will you try to go out and get some recognizable names? Who are also depends on you know, if anyone's available, right, but that's something part of the business plan already part of the business in in process. And yeah, luckily, Kaban Kaban at ear are great examples. You know, had nice dinners with them and spend time with them. And maybe the timing wasn't right. Maybe we were still figuring out the format as we got into twenty eighteen, but I think that less kind of continues to grow and change every day, as you know, free agency kind of comes and goes, you know, sometimes we learn about it on social media. Sometimes we learn about it because someone's on a plane flying over to Singapore or someplace else, and and and you see those things, but that that is that's at the top of our less. I think you will say I mean, that's really why we left the format the way it is. We only have twenty four guys that are locked right? And so they're still forty eight plus the female that we're looking for for next year. And I think there's a lot of opportunity both with the great roster. We've got but certainly to bring in some some big names semi talking to sage north cut. I means that sage was on a plane to sing in first class. Right. Social, okay talks. Talks talks at the moment. Okay. Great. So December thirty first it's it's New Year's Eve in New York City this time, by the way, you guys are going like almost up against midnight as opposed to last time you were a little earlier in the day. Yeah. Last time we was at Saturday afternoon number thirty first back in two thousand sixteen when we were here they were four to six on that was twenty sixteen twenty that crazy two years have gone by. Seven to eleven it's a Monday night. Right. And so you're going to basically bring in the new year with with six PF L world champions. What what is it like trying to sell tickets in New York City that close to midnight and supposed to time square so far so good? Okay. The nice thing about about the Hulu theaters. You've got this the train station right there. So if you wanna get out get out of the city at eleven o'clock when the show ends, you can and certainly if you wanna walk across the street, there's no shortage of of bars restaurants that you could bring in the new year. So so far so good rapid with it. If there is one thing, what is one thing that you want people to know about PF L as you head into the finals, and as you head into twenty nineteen with so many organizations out there trying to create your own identity, and I think you guys have created your own identity, which is half the battle. Right. You don't wanna just that was always my problem with WF never felt like you had an identity. It was just like what are these fights mean your fights? All means something so kudos because I was skeptical. Right kudos. What do you want people to know about the organization? I think you summed it up great. We want to know that if you win you advance. And it doesn't matter whether you can talk more talk last bigger personality, smaller personality, what you do in the cage matters. And if you win there's nothing I can do there's nothing you can do. There's nothing Ray can do if you win you advance. And if you eventually when you become the champion, and that's what sports all about. And that is what sport it doesn't matter. If you get that final out if you make that final touchdown pass. If you get that final knockout, you become a world champion. And and I think that true sport format is really at the core of what we're trying to do with this regular season playoffs and championship. And and so far feels really good. Thanks for coming in. I appreciate it. So December thirty first who theater PF L finals? I believe it's PF L Levin, if I'm not mistaken is that the the number of the event PF L championships EFL championships there, it is six title fights, plus Kayla Harrison and. All airs on NBC. That's right that I get it. You got it. Appreciate it. Carlos. Thank you so much. There is Carlos Silva, the president of the PF L their final vent coming up on December thirty first in New York City, the famed Hulu theater, which if you don't know the Hulu theater is the Madison Square Garden theater, so that is very famous venue. They have been there before and they will be I do believe the final event of twenty eighteen the final event of two thousand eighteen if you consider I know rise in is going on. But they're having an event. I mean, they're the they'll be tech. Mytalk Reisen is twenty is what am I saying? Can someone help me out Jake? If Reisen is December thirty first Japan, technically, they'll be more of. So then I don't think there's anyone that kid actually be passed PF L right because we're in the eastern time zone. Even if someone is putting on an event in the Pacific time zone. Even there could be someone in Hawaii putting on event. But I would I would be surprised. So I'm gonna say the final event of twenty eight. All right. And if anyone wants to argue that with me or prove me wrong than please prove me wrong. But I think they are final team. I really do anyway. Okay. Wow. Back to back in studio guests that was a lot of fun. Thank you very much. Carlos silva. Good luck to them on December thirty first I will have my own announcement. But I'm not gonna make it right now. Because takes telling me to slow my roll over there, but I will have my own. And so stay tuned for that. And of course, thank you very much to Mr John Jones and his squad for stopping by. All right. Let us continue. With the program. And let's go back to Beijing. One of the big stories this past weekend in Beijing was the return Louis smoker out of the USC. This year was on a four fight losing streak was released from the company went out one three times outside of the company. Then got a fight on short notice in Beijing one hundred thirty five pounds and not only did he win. He wanted a submission. And he looked phenomenal back to his old self. Remember when he started his you have see run looked very good. I believe he started five and one had some big wins over the likes of Patty hula, Haniel call in in Dublin that that short notice main event if you will well he has back. He's with a new team. He's living in a new state. A lot has changed for the last samurai. Let us talk to him right now on the magic escape about it. All he joins us right now. Thank you very much for joining us. Louise, how are you? Congratulations on the win. It's up. How's it going? It's good to talk to you. Wow. You know? It's funny. I've had a few conversations like this today. And gone new over him. Now yourself on the same card all of you needed. Big winds all of you on losing streaks. Yours was much publicized you left the company. You've had some big wins before was that the biggest of your career considering everything that you've been through this year. That was now is a big on dollars up there. It's just like I've been through a lot like with leaving with you know, like with with drinking and stuff. And honestly if I win that probably would have been it. You know, just been like all right. You're done like, this is gonna work, you know. So they told you or you just had a feeling that you had to win in order to stick around. I was pretty sure I'd have to win like I I was fairly certain of that. Okay. And would you have gone back to the the regional scene, or did you think that your career was was on the line on Saturday? I don't know if my career was, but it I I don't know. I could've maybe went to some other companies. But it just it would've been a big process every building again and stuff, and I really have the funds for the like two early. Honestly, the time or the patience to put my family through that again like that probably would have been it. For those that remember the early portion of your UC career you left five and five, but you started five and one. And then as I said, you one of the four five losing streak what happened what went wrong like honestly, like I just I don't know at what point that it happened. But I started pretty Adrienne king and stuff, and somehow my motivation kind of changed from. It wasn't about. I'm trying to be the best martial arts. You can be trying to beat the best fighter. You can be. It was like about how much can I drink and get away and still win. How much can I get away with drinking like still make weight? Like that. Was that became my goal somehow? I don't I'm not really sure why that happened. But like, yeah. Were you were you always a big drinker? I liked it. I liked it. It was fun. It was like I dunno. I good time. But yeah, I I like drinking I like having partying. But maybe as a kid I'm a little too hyped up for that. You know, how might need to wait a little while and girl up before I can start doing that. Again. Did you feel as though the more you lost the more you drink? Yeah. Yeah. At a point. Yeah. Kind of morphed into that. It was like about like, I don't know. It's she's an excuse. Okay. Like like, let's say it's a seven day week. How many days out of the week where you drinking? I was pretty much blackout like six days a week. Wow. Blackout. Yeah. Even while you're in training camp yet. Wow. And so two weeks out. And then like that was the point where I need to stop to late. Okay. Did you ever drink the day of your fights or the day before your I never got to that point? I was never that ballsy. Okay. Did your team know that you are doing this? And I got yelled out a lot. But like I mean, those like my friends from child, and they like built my style like they can y'all all they want. But I'm like, I am I really gonna listen, you know, right? What was your wife saying did she know? Yeah. She kinda got mad at me. And eventually it was like mostly her decision. Like always done fighting like before moving up to California and stuff. Like, I was done over it. I want to do anything anymore. Just like I'm get regular job. I'm done and she didn't want that for me. She didn't want me to to kind of go out like that. I guess and so she on she she. No, I'd be happy like living like that. And I was gonna go, but she convinced me come up here like of spot to take. It was like no you're gonna go up. You're gonna stay with Jason. And we're going to try to fix you Colin city can try to help you out, you know. And so they sent me up here. And kinda just like I lived the lifestyle with them like the fighting lifestyle, and like how would go to the gym everyday like with the team like with Alex and everybody and. Would work every day. And like, yeah, I just I don't know. What's stop drinking? These weird. I kind of realized how about I messed up, and when you say that you were done. What would you have done it like like like post fighting what job would you have done? I don't know. I kinda wanted to play with computers that was about like Oscar playing counter strike a lot at the time. And I was like yeah message computers. That's easy. Okay. You're a gamer. Yeah. Maybe I could play video games. Could like I don't know Donna done like a government job or something. I don't know. Was this after you were released that you felt this way? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of building to that point a little bit. Like, I was your size pretty late. I wasn't the most focused. Okay. And you went three no outside of the USC. All those all those fights were you training out of California. Where where you're with. Yeah. I won with team all ready to team on that. I did one back home. I'll I want home till I prepare to move all my stuff up here. Okay, california. Like, I'd to go home have a place after right, outback home. I had like I go get my family and move them up here with me and like that will process took like two or three months. So I decided that I needed a fight. You know, I need to stay active. So I took a fight down there back home with a with all my training partners that my teammates since stuff like aggressee techniques Hoy lead. What was it like fighting on the regional seen after being, you know, you're part of some big events in the UFC, some some big pay per views the show in Dublin, for example, did feel like a blow to your ego. How did you handle that? It was different. It was kind of weird like knock going through the fight weeks and stuff not having everything handled. Like like, Wayne's. We're gonna chill and stuff like not. Everything's bigger the production. I kinda forgot how that was. But like I mean, even when I was in like peac see that was still like a pretty big show. You know, I've done a lot of time with them and. Home. Yeah. It was just it was it was strange. I'm not gonna lie. It was kinda crazy. It was it was strange. But I mean, you know, all the promotions are great six was actually a pretty good on six was like not bad at all. They they were pretty put together even destiny back home. Like, it was it's it's different not having to be flown somewhere. You know, not having a fight given to you. But like for the most part, it was it was fun. All right. And then did you think in the back of your mind? Okay. I went to I went three I'm going to get back into you've see like what was that the goal or you're just trying to hook up with any major promotion. The goal was to win two and comeback back. I think that was like original thing that always told. So it's like. Sean or Mick or Danai camera who who who was and then I want going there like all right? We got on short notice, but it was still taking a little while. So we did a third fight kind of because I need the money and stuff, you know. So we went to see excess and yeah. It was on like getting kind of like the end of my wrote, dude. I was I would have probably went anywhere. Honestly, I always just like freaking out, you know, really run out of money pretty much. Yeah. Like I needed like I needed cash like now. Wow. So when you got the call, what was your reaction? Oh, I was so happy, dude. It was so much weight off my chest. Because the whole time you're just you're wondering if it's gonna work out if you just gonna like run out of time, you know, and always just always such a weight off my chest. Like, I kinda wanted to cry. But at the same time uh, this is late notice get your fit to get get your medical school. Like, so I didn't really have time for that. You know, there's kind of like, oh, thank you. Okay. What's the first aired on the do how many days notice was it in the end? It was like six days before we flew out, and like fourteen total or maybe last week twelve and how many more days did you have until you like really ran out of cash. I hadn't. Yes. Okay. And what would you have done if they didn't call you probably would have to go back home and just trying to figure stuff out? I don't you me as a bed overseas ING, so like we'll probably have to use that to square everything away. And then scolding jobs. Okay, man. Wow. What timing who called you? Jason your manager. Jason how. Yeah. Jason Jason told me he was like broke guess what he called Younis phone actually because I was doing something. I didn't actually I was in the bathroom or something. And I didn't have my phone. So he he he called us like four times in like in like a minute. Oh, something's happened. Like something something biggest happening right now. You may being your wife. You means your wife, right? Yeah. Yeah. My wife Yumi of so he called her and she answered and we're like talking the coma. God we did it. We're good. Thank you. Just so happens. Thank you. God. Thank you to whoever. You know? Thank you to just the universe added. Oh, what was it like being, you know, back in the fight week? And as you mentioned, there's a lot of perks to being in the UFC the way, they treat you, and you know, the kids and the transportation all that stuff just going through it again. But after being away this time, what was it like for you? It was a lot, you know, Ali so thankful to be back. Oh, it was just so happy. I was like all NAN and somehow in a way kinda late. I was like I felt like I was background supposed to be like everybody was like so nice to me supportive. So I was pretty happy. I remembered everybody in on this like the same crew from like from the evil have fight and stuff, you know, across pretty much same guys and stuff and is that international crew. And yeah, like happy to see them. Everybody's healthy, you know. And if and I felt like I never left, but like I was just so happy to be back. Beautiful submission beautiful win. You said you didn't, you know, give yourself a chance to to cry. When you got the call 'cause you had to work, but it did seem like you've got quite emotional after the win. Yeah. Like, I don't wanna be crying on camera vulgar on camera that Dana went from from like to twenty nine or whatever was no to nineteen out. No. But anyway, yeah, it was just it was just happy happy to be back. But I don't wanna be like carrying up on can't get it together. Louis, but I was just so happy like all thank God. I'm not done. You know, like, my I still have like I still have some micro left. Like, I can still kinda make this work. Now, it seems as though you're old division. One. Twenty five is. Maybe coming to an end, though, they haven't officially said that are you gonna stay at one thirty five or are you comfortable staying at one thirty five. I'll probably stay at thirty five. Honestly, I'm getting a little too big time make the weight anymore. When I did my last one five flight for Shiites f- like a couple of weeks ago. I did the cut pretty perfect out of full camp. You know, I drank my water like I was nice in light forty five like the entire time. And I got down to the last the last like one one point two pounds took around like an hour and a half. Like, I started I dried up, and I was only sweating on my wrist like it was it was bad. I mean, you could argue I've heard all the series. You can do the salt bath you can do like sauna, jacuzzi, whatever. But the fact is is that last couple pounds is getting really hard to come off. No matter how go about like I can do these little tricks, but it's getting really hard to take off. So I think I think the move up to thirty five is right. What do you make of the decision to get rid of twenty five? I don't know. It's it's a strange decision. I mean, I don't know are they actually even doing that. Or they bring in new people like, I don't really know. But it's a strange decision. I think I mean, they had some great guys there. But at the same time if the pay is better like because it's all about money now as we all talk and. Well, like, I it will see relocating them to a different market will get everyone paid more than is it almost kind of worth it. You know, what do you mean? Like putting them in a different promotion. Yeah. Like all the guys relocating to like the Asian market like 'cause that's probably like, let's probably scooping up all the twenty five Asia. It's gonna be risen earth gonna be one most likely, right? And then having the credentials of being UFC fight will allow them to get paid more there. And like like, you know, get like more respect guests, and like get on beggar sponsors, or whatever it might be will allow them to to get paid more than it might be worth it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see they have come out and said it, but it does seem like the writing on the wall. Here's the biggest question though. Are you still drinking, no? Nothing. I'm not thinking since January like second. No sorry. The second week of January third. Okay. And you just won't catch. Yeah. Yeah. I I haven't drank. I mean, I don't drink anymore. Like, I give it up. I drank once when I was up here. And you mean, my fiancee, she stopped talking to me. Oh, and like she didn't talk to two weeks. And then so like us kind of freak it out. And so I told her I was like all right. I'm done drinking England, I'll drink anymore. And so she didn't talk to two weeks to see if Parrella and that while living house or do you live together right now we lived together at the time. I was staying at the team or a fighter house. She sent me up. Here originally like in January by myself to see if I could still do this, you know, give give team on trial run. And so while I was doing that. I drank once and she stopped talking to me for a little bit and select adopt point. I just got I just want quote teric. Not drink anymore. So that was the final the final in that coffin. So to speak. Yes. Okay. Wow. When you guys getting married. We don't know yet. We still dude I'm a weird business now. I know I don't know. I don't wanna cloud a wedding too. I don't. Yes, I understand that. She's got the the rain. So I mean, it's it's good for right now. You know, we can't we can't worry about that one. When I'm done man, you posted a video of your daughter on Instagram saying that he missed you and stuff that was incredible. Wow. Dow was kind of like a while is getting emotional on after the fight because I saw that on that warning when we were at breakfast, and I was like almost crying eating breakfast carrying up. You know, all but then I was thinking about kinda wanted to cry. But then I was thinking about that whole I dunno on. There's one of the top lives where the dude is crying outside. Everybody's like this is not the right head this about the right frame of mind to be and I'd be really worried right now. Okay. I don't wanna be that guy. Just over your crying on my corners like dude with go. Hang on his dad. Listen as a proud Cryer myself. There's nothing wrong with it. All right. So next time, you wanna cry just let it out although it turned out well for your tired. So maybe whatever you did was right. Yeah. I mean, just try to suppress it. Right. Like, I don't have a problem bidding, I cry sometimes. We have the stressful jobs in the world emotional this a motion roller coaster to say the least. Yes, I agree. You can cry whenever you want. I'm happy for you. Louise, congratulations on the win. Welcome back. Great moment. Great fight great performance. And and looking forward to what you're gonna do. Now at one thirty five in the UFC. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for coming on. Uber have area on. It's it's good to be on hand found like tell what happened. Yeah. I appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon. All the best you and your family. Thank you. All right. There is the last samurai Lewis smoke returning in a big way on Saturday Saturday morning in Beijing, China he opened the show, and what a great story, and I appreciate him being so honest with with everything that he's been through drinking getting released from the he started his career. In in very fine form like I said, he won five of his first six fights with impressive wins over Neil Serey, Patty whole hen Ben win. And then. Lost four in a row Brennan, marina del Ray board. Tim Elliott Mateusz Nicolaou. One three fights outside of the USC took this fight on short, notice and. Now. He's back funny at one thirty five congratulations to him. All right. Let's move along to our next guest. As I said top the show big story this weekend. Of course, golden boy MMA Tito Ortiz. Chuck, Adele, three Tito knocking out Chuck in the first round should Chuck fight. Again. Should he not should Tito fight again? Should he not should golden boy remained in the business? Should they not? I believe that. The biggest winner on Saturday wasn't golden boy wasn't teed Ortiz. Wasn't anyone involved in the main event wasn't any of the promoters? I do believe wholeheartedly that the biggest winner on Saturday night was the young man named Doron win who fought in the co main event who defeated filthy, Tom Lawlor VN and Mississippi who fought very impressively won a one-sided dominant victory. And yes, he went the distance for the first time in his career. But I thought that this was the. Biggest winner because he was fighting on the biggest stage of his career televise audience. Everyone was talking about Chuck and Tito, but you had to watch the Coleman event to get to the main event. And I thought he sees the moment he's a protege of one Daniel Cormet. He trains out of the American kickboxing academy. He's a decorated wrestler, and now he is well on his way. And in my opinion, one of the more intriguing free agents out there in the world of mixed martial arts. So let's say Hello now for the very first time on this program to Doron win who is joining us via the magic Skype, the Ron how are you? My man we had them, and then we lost them. Okay. We'll go back to I think he was in his car there. All right. We're going to get back to the Ron here in a second. But yes, very big win for drawing after that passionate intro. We'll get back here in a second. But yes, he did defeat filthy, Tom Lawlor unanimous decision. First time he's gone past the first round prior to that he had won four in a row own first round via TKO or KO had fought for bell tour Belcher one ninety nine back in may. And I've talked to DC about him in the past. I've talked to other people at K about him in the past. And they were all glowing about him going into this fight. Now that there there was a clear size advantage for Tom Lawlor going into this fight the Ron win as you may have seen is listed at five eight. I don't even know if that's accurate at this juncture. But that's what they list them as any probably shouldn't be fighting at two five maybe one eighty five probably even wants seventy you can maybe even make a case for one fifty five. That's how. That's how much smaller. He wasn't Tom Lawlor on Saturday. But it didn't matter. He looks and fights like a young DC. And he's not the youngest. You know, he's not the out there. He's twenty nine years old. But I believe started at thirty one. So he fights him. He even talks like him. If you saw the post fight interview. And I really truly believe as though we can scrutinize the main event all we want. We talk about the main event we can talk about if it should have happened or not if it was a sham or not gonna boy should remain in the world or not. But I feel he was the biggest winner because not a lot of people knew who he was knowing really. I mean, there was some nice performances earlier on, but I feel he stood out the most because he had the corner wasn't technically in his corner. I think he didn't have the proper paperwork, but you saw him there in the in the front row chairing on what nineties coming out of AK got a lot of guys supporting him. And I thought that he really sees the moment with with a win over Tom Lawlor who had not fought in two years. The last time Tom lov fought, I believe. Was UFC one ninety six which was the the ninety s kind of a one card, of course, he had his issues with you Sada. So it had been a while. And yet he had his issues. Oh, man. Okay. Jake telling me was that on the air or off the air. Oh, he's telling me that loops. Yes. Okay. Bob Ross saying can you Skype call him because he's next up apparently his phone died. What did they byu Doron win his phone that you saw there for a second? Right. His phone died just as he was about to make his debut. Well done we have you have is info or do you need it? All right. All right. Cool. Violent Bob Ross tweeted me is that is that a real thing. Let's see if I find it. He tweeted me. Oh, my dear. You know, you could've just texted me. Louise, we're text friends. You know that right? That's a classic. We've had a lot of memorable debuts on this program. We've never had someone's phone die right before. The interview started Doron win. Way to make a memorable appear debut on this show. Well done. I'm so sorry for I just got back and on the way that we just landed can't day and on the way back the person's car like we have to wonder car target wherever and it was like on my phone, bro. Wow. This would happen. It's all good. Well, I appreciate pain for hooking it up. What a good friend. Boy, congratulations Doron what a big performance. What a big opportunity for you. I said, I don't know if you heard it I feel like you're the biggest winner on Saturday, even bigger than Tito, even bigger than golden boy because you were fighting the Komen everyone was waiting for the main event, you seize the moment, there's a lot of buzz surrounding your team's Dana cornea you being approach of his, and I think you really came out with flying colors. Do you agree with all that? Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, man. I I knew it was my my it was gonna be like my coming out party. You know, this is definitely the most exposure I was ever going to get. And I knew I had like you said he's the moment row. So, you know, I I'm ready. I I can Pete at a high level for a long time wrestling. So I wasn't like like, you know, do the same as the moment. Don't at the moment. He's you. You know, I knew what I had to do that you perform that night. And you know, like trying to steal the show. So I just went out there. I trust in my. Training. I trust my camp. I trusted, you know, everybody's fourteen and stuff like that. And with with being able to do that man, it it allows me to go out there and just just let them fly. You know, you've competed in big stages in wrestling, never an MA, quite like this. What was it like few forum? Tito, Chuck delahoya, all that stuff. What was it? Like, it was a name, bro. I, you know, I didn't know like right before we are about to walk out. You know, I like made myself look at the crowd, and like before I like, Dr the cave, and they might the crowd I like cooked brash. And I think I've wrestled in find that many people, but but obviously I'd never fought. And so much different. It's so much different feeling because the worst thing that could happen. You wrestling tender something, you know. Everybody. So it was actually I love it. I love being able to do something like that. I might tire life ever since. I was a kid wrestling state final that being in the spotlight. It's like I love that. I always come. I always come to play. When when when I got the spotlight on the show. I knew I was going to be ready, bro. I I knew I knew that what what happened Saturday night was gonna happen. Honestly thought I was gonna finish him. But but he's a man. Are you mad that you didn't continue your your streak? Officiant fights in the first round. Because I do I hit him hard a couple of times in the first round two. And that's the biggest thing that I I knew I had to stay patient. And 'cause I know I had the power in my box is actually pretty decent at this point in my career. And I knew pay and type connect on him early. I thought just from NBN it's so many wars and stuff like that that maybe I put him away. But it was good for me. And especially now, we can big promotion or something like that. Now, I had experience that I went to a war with what's better in guy who's been in the cage with a lot of really good guys. You know? No. This was good for me. It was probably better that I that. I didn't put him away that I that. I had three five, you know. How tall are you there on? Honestly. Yes. Honestly, I I'm honestly like five five five five. Wow. Okay. What is apple has you listed as five eight? But I'm not buying that. No. I'm like five five eighty five six. Hughes on. Okay. What are you doing funding to five? I I I'm saying like I walked around my two hundred twenty five pounds. Wow. My tire life, and I always like wrestled at higher way. Like when I wrestled on international circuit, I wrestled ninety seven kilos and. Russia. The biggest is. Monsters throughout the world. And so I I've always been big, and I'm like real thick all throughout so. Yeah. I I just I always in big, bro. Okay. So what's the ideal way class for you? Because I can't imagine as you continue to progress in your career, you feel like if you get to the UFC or built to five probably isn't the ideal way class, right? We're going to go down. But like at this point in my career. It's so hard for. That we were when we were trying to find a fight for full card that we we were just like we'll take the fight at whatever at one eighty five to five whoever will fight me. 'cause I literally like I won't say any names for like there was some really like high high level guys turned me down. And so it just says say their names Durant don't be shy put them on blast. Protecting them. They didn't want to give you an opportunity. Why are you protecting them? I had like a couple of previous like bell tower world champions, like Emanuel news brain halls. He dies. I think brand hall. He was actually gonna sign the contract if law they're getting, but like some high level guys man, I cannot find a fight or anything. So. Yeah. Eventually I'm going to get down to one eighty five for sure hundred push it. I I'm there, and obviously, you know in an ideal world, I could go down to one seventy. But I just don't know how that's gonna work. So I figured in a lot of people think it's in my leg, but stuff like that. You know? Yeah. And I'll be dying kid going down and stuff like that. But I, you know, I've always just, you know, performed big like, so I'm very comfortable there, and you know, obviously palm a small to fiber. But you know, like DC bro for Kane. I four you know, I saw Rockwall that's far all these guys. So I. I think that the thing that helped me out a lot at one eighty five is with you know, Tom kinda showed it is. I think that a lot of eighty five won't be able to wish them my house. I think I'll put a lot of people away with that. And then to fibers and obviously in the top ten the world, you know, this big, bro. I trust. I one hundred percents. You're not playing tennis to apply and I do plan on dropping. I saw that a lot of people were kind of social media like no way to five and don't worry. We don't plan on. We just wanted to get a fight. And the funny thing is who am I to tell you that you should be moving down. 'cause 'cause the guy you train with DC has made a career at a fighting guys bigger than everyone telling him that he's too big that he should be losing weight and things are working out just fine for him. So do you continue to do your thing? I was just curious if that was in the cards for you now, you fought in may for bell, tore you seem to be the prototypical bell or fighter you train that aka you've got Bob cook their Dwayne, zinc and managing you. You're arrested. You're the you're the prototypical, Scott Coker fighter. How did they not scoop you up or did they try and you said, no, no, they didn't try, you know, I think we just signed a one fight contract. And we don't we didn't know we're gonna get you know, what I mean. And. Come in leading forward. We we just didn't know what we're gonna do yet. So and then golden boy thank came up. And we knew about this golden boy thing in summer, bro. You know, what I mean like I got like real real real early news. So we kind of knew that this was going to come into play. And then after this fight now, it really are out there and try to sign my, you know, maybe three or four five contact somebody not out of the question at all. But we just want. Sure. Which route we wanted to go yet. Okay. I think that was my size, and I suppose and stuff like that and died he showcase for any my rhythm. I take down powerful people up slam them stuff like that. I think that you know, I'll be crowd favorite. So we think that made it you'll she would be a good good a good avenue for me because because the fan base, you know, I think that I think a lot of people like how I fight and that that help make it mine for myself, but you know. You know officer on cable right now. So. Over time. I was actually just talking to about thirty minutes ago about what we're gonna do. And he's helping you right? He's helping your cutter. He's my brother. That's my boy. It's my best friend, basically Fru. We I I think caught him on the phone like ten times a day like all talk on the phone like like, I'll be going to the gym or I'll be going to like ref and practice. He's there and he will on the phone and talk get there. He's ridiculous, bro. I'm like one of the first fighters he actually manages as well. Still be out with Bob, and I feel about Bobby Wayne bathroom as well. But but he handles a lot of that stuff the me too. And you and you coach the Gilroy high school wrestling team with him as well. Right. Yes. Yeah. And the kids club. Wow. I practice in my two hours. I gotta go kids kids club tonight. And okay. So do you feel like the days of searching for a fight on the regency? And that's over with now that you've proven your point that your next fight will be for a major promotion as part of a long-term deal. Yeah. I feel it's pretty self explanatory. I think that I showed that I can compete with with virtually anybody. And I'm only going to get better grow so excited for the future. And yeah. I think that within the next week or so all all get an offer someone probably jump on it. And are you still going to compete in wrestling? Don't you have aspirin to do that next year? No, well, I wrestle. I'm I leave Wednesday for Isla. And I'm wrestling in this new they Hupa fashionable Dc. It's called the American wrestling. And I'm wrestling Friday. I'm wrestling champion. Mike my Valia on Friday night. It'd be like another fight night. You know what I mean? But if you know it it's an avenue for a wrestler like guys like time, you want the team and and walking and stuff like that guy make more money. So I'm asking. Yeah. I I'm a playing Wednesday on wrestling complete on Friday night. But but what about tournaments and things of that nature? Like, if you sign a deal with UFC can't imagine them wanting or allowing you to do that. Yeah. I probably won't grow in all honesty. I was thinking about it. This could be my last match ever a what? But as my ad. I like my career started. I just was it was so much downtime. I came from a background in painting always competing, you know, and everything was so slow because when I knew down here after trials into that. I had to start learning all these skills had a box kick out to all that stuff too so much downtime that I had I gotta get I gotta say Acas. So I would just keep jumping back into tournaments. And then there's some new way classes stuff like that. That can and you know, produce opportunities for just like just saying Friday night. Yeah. So I jumped on and I I'm actually thrilled to do it again on Friday nights. But yeah, it's definitely coming to an end. So I I kinda fishery retired after that team. But like I said, I'm just a competitor always have been. So I wanted to jump back in there. If I can't make a little extra money right now, you know. We had teed Ortiz on earlier in the show. And he said that he wants to continue goal, the boy, a may not as a fighter, but he wants to be a part of the promotion, he thinks that there's you know, there there's something there after what happened Saturday, the success of the show in his words and golden boys interested have they talked to you about wanting to keep you around. I haven't talked to anybody. Okay. In your mind. Do you think that does any chance? I mean, I think it would be dumb for not right? I think being kind of that that Trump is. Started the golden boy in a but I be that. I could be the stakes for them. Why not you know what I mean? But like, I mean shit. I I often like one time. You know? I'm not like there's a lot of people listening. But it's like, I'm not like, I'm not talking to anything. But if you didn't talk one time just one time, I talked about the pressure on. That's it. Probably didn't come to. What's up for the fight after fight nothing, bro? So it's just kinda like whatever. Like all. Right. You know, he I mean that that oppressor was embarrassing. And he didn't know what he was saying there. Yeah. No for sure, bro. I mean it did. And I'll tell you when he came up to me right before the first started, the only time, we we spoke at fall, and I can't look over at my intact. Make sure who I what man. He didn't know who I you know, what I mean. So as I I, you know, I don't know how you know other people deal with rations, and, you know, I wouldn't whatever I know. I've always been today. I know that my parents are going to speak for themselves. And so I don't need this brand knows me or nothing like that. I knew I was gonna go up before. And he was going to have to love me know. So so I'm not at all, and they took care of me, and it was an awesome week. And and I think it would agree to that. And I'm very happy with with how I. How the most part how I was treated. So. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they're going to pursue me or not. But I think they'd be done. Not to do you care that people like I felt when when you're on the Mike you sounded like DC, and I could see young DC when you're like, did you do you mind? Those comparisons. Are you okay? With that. I'm okay with it. I really am. I wanted to try to get away from me 'cause I wanna be my own dies. I wanna be my own. You know, my own, you know, right? I wanna I I wanna be my own guy. You know, like, of course, my my name is not going to be many. What it's going to be definitely I couldn't allow that. Anyway, get their relationship, and he would never. But no, I like it man because in reality virtually everything I know and his game right now. And I feel like if I can mimic him, you know, at least extent, I'm gonna go along a long way. So I'm okay with it. She's my voice, I love that. He and he takes care of that. He's known for his, you know, his speeches. He's he's he's a great captain. Did he say anything to you in the locker room before you guys went out to fight? Video him talking to me, right work. We walked out there. He hadn't he hadn't gone either. Stick video it was like an inch or so I'll send it to you areas. But it he talking to me, and he's like, he's I kinda like, you know, explain to me, you know, how this guy, you know, you wanna like, you know, white guy wanted, and and you just. You just, you know, pumping the pro, and it was awesome. Yeah. Like, you know, when I was on the mic and stuff, you know, it's like pot me how to have to play the game too. You know? So I know I can't just be a fighter I have to be businessman entertainer as well. So as to, you know, just not only just the way paired speed you. I what I was gonna say I need to weeks ago. What I was gonna say, you know, what I mean? Yeah. After when I got on the mic, so so it helps a lot and I would be remiss before I let you go. I don't give a shout out to violent Bob Roz, who's kind enough to give you a his phone for this interview. In fact, he he he just tweeted me somehow unless he has a computer within that he needs his phone back. But it does seem like you two very close that he's a nice a nice teammate and a wing man if you will. We're roommate really didn't know that. I didn't know remains. Okay. Cain live as well. Right outside of San Jose the guards gang. All right. Well, they're on like, I said, I thought you stole the show. My man, I thought you were the big story coming out of Saturday know that may sound crazy considering Chuck Adele fault. But you said are on Tuesday that everyone was going to be talking about you afterwards to me, you're the biggest takeaway from that event. And if I'm a promotion trying to find some young blood some guys to really build up and be foundational pieces. You're one of those names that I'm coming after. So congratulations to you. I hope you get a big deal now. And I'm looking forward to seeing your career progress from here. Thank man. It was absolutely. Show real hopefully, we can get back on you're seeing man. Absolutely. Next time. Just make sure your phone is charged right? No. Talk to you soon. Congrats again there is Iran win big win on Saturday. Not so big on Monday with his phone being not charged. But I'll good thank you very much. Louise, pres- AK violent Bob Ross for making that happen. I I feel like I always have to say aka violent Bob Ross every time I say Louis pres- because I feel people don't know that Louise presence volume Bob Ross I feel like like if I say, I'm gonna have Louis president show show be who found Bob Ross. Oh, yeah. Love that guy with the hair moving down to one forty five as crazy as that sounds considering how big is. So thank you to him for donating his phone for this interview. Golden boy may I show in the books. They have another. We shall see. Apparently, we're not gonna have Frank Muir on the show today. He got sick and is incommunicado. So maybe another time it always gets me a little rod up with someone asks to be on the show, and then doesn't show up. Does it happen often? But that's the case this time around. And I will leave it at that other things to say before we go Anderson Silva's fighting Israel at a Sonya. Wow. In February you've see to thirty four in Melbourne. What do we think about that fight? We'll talk about it on the post show a lot of different hot takes on that one. Some people of it. Some people hate it. I feel like that one was coming mile away. I feel like we all predicted that one. But it is a thing. Anderson Silva versus Israel to Sonya in Melbourne big spot for Israel, of course, midway title. Also on the line that night Robert Whittaker defending against Kelvin gasoline. Brandon VERA victorious after a long lay-off chaining his one heavyweight title Gaiger new saucy is coming back on that dual event night. January twenty six in Anaheim is UFC two thirty three. They haven't officially announced a lot of the fights for that one. But that's the one that we expect TV shoppers. Henry pseudo to be on and in LA at the forum where golden boy was they're having their own card fade Oregon's baiter, but also gear Masasi gets fell junior. How about that? And this weekend is nuts. I don't know if we've ever had to UFC cards and two Bellcore cards on the same weekend. That's insane. Tough Anneli, and I'm proud to say that I've not seen a second of Fedor. So anything good happen? Please. Don't tell me because I don't want any spoilers, but the main event is legit RDA versus Kamara who's been is the main event, that's the tough Anneli on Friday in Vegas. And then Saturday in Adelaide is a really good fight night card tight. We've us against junior does Santos love that main event. Very important fight at heavyweight Mark hunt against Justin Willis, probably Mark hunts last you have fight Tyson Pedro against shogun hooah Tony Martin against Jake Matthews. Nice card so that Saturday night Sunday morning in in Australia. So back to back rare. You'll see doesn't do it often. But they always do it around this time with tough Nellie on Friday last year fuel call. They had the tough Nellie for the female flyweights. And then you have see. See to eighteen in Detroit. This time the pay per view the following week in Toronto. But they're doing back the back bell tour also doing back to back Bill to our to ten on Friday in fact Ville and then to eleven in Italy Chidi and Giovanni against John Salter. And I gotta say as has been noted, but other people the prelims might actually be better for this card, then the main card names like Lahat Brian Moore. Chris Honeycutt jailed Harris veteran. Anthony Ruiz Sean bunch Joe Warren. Mike Shipman, Joe schilling which he MO Chee Daniel vital all those guys are putting on the prelims. This might be the best prelims in Bill to our history. And I know that sounds a little funny. But typically the Bill to our prelims are, you know, a lot of local guys regional guys couple prospects here and there it's not usually like that. And then built to eleven on a Saturday via tape delay. Unfortunately from Italy. So there's a lot going on. Plus, there's case w my colleague off and Ella Faye on Friday. There's just a lot happening this weekend. So next week will be back to talk about all that. And on the post show. We'll talk about some of the things when New York Rick and whatnot. So if you're just finishing up the show and want to listen to that if you're watching us live, they'll be up later this evening, actually, the post show is always up, by the way, like seconds after we're done on all the audio platforms. I tunes Stitcher. ESPN app is dot com. Cetera and in the videos usually up late Monday night. Stay tuned for that. If you're watching life, if you're not there's probably up already. Okay, got it. Jake. Do you think funday in the books? A memorable one having John Jones here in studio. I remember. We can reminisce a little bit about this. When you're on the post show, but the last time John Jones in studio seven years ago. I do believe was the last show that I ever did without New York. Rick. If you don't know I'm talking about I'll explain on the post show, that's a little tease for you. That's what we call it in the TV business or in the online TV business or the digital business. We'll check the Dell retire should he retire? In the end, my friends it's up to him. He has to sit down with his family. He has to decide for himself. But I could make one prediction for you. I can't predict whether or not he will ever fight again. Or if you'll retire all make this prediction, and I'm sure that they're going to be many more Chuck adele's. They're going to be many more fighters who are going to stick around too long. We're going to end their careers like that we're going to continue to play it and make us feel uncomfortable. Make us forget about the good times and make us focus on the bad times. It's just going to happen over and over again. That's the fight game. Unfortunately that is the fight game. And we just have to come to terms with there's nothing we could do we could say what we want to happen. But it's up to him and his family. That's unfortunate nature of the FIFA game. Appreciate you watching. Thanks to all of you back next week. Say title Plato say.

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Episode 23: Jones in studio, Ortiz, Ngannou, Overeem, Hackleman, Smolka, more

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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Episode 23: Jones in studio, Ortiz, Ngannou, Overeem, Hackleman, Smolka, more

"Gentlemen. Welcome to. Back in your life on this Monday, November twenty six two thousand and eighteen Hello everyone. Marijuana. Welcome back to the program. Hope you had a love the weekend. Let me just by water covert. Their hope you had a lovely week. If you celebrate thanksgiving. Hope you had a very nice thanksgiving with your family and friends ate a lot of now you're feeling good about life. You're very full. And you're very thank full as well. We've lost to discuss on the program today. My friends there's a lot going on as always it was very interesting weekend in the world of MMA. It's very rare that the UFC has an event over the weekend. And they're not the top story on Monday morning. Very rare doesn't happen often. That's the case this week. My friends you've had an event in Beijing China. It was a fun event. It was entertaining card. It was a car that had a lot of noteworthy things that happened on it most notable. Francis guy new is back what a performance what a win forty four seconds. I saw thirty seconds forty five forty four forty three whatever the case is he beat Curtis blades. Once again this time in less than a minute. He is back. He looked good. He looked rather spilt. I thought looked quick did not seem tentative big win for France in Gano. He wins via TKO. I know blades was a little upset over the stoppage. I thought it was the right call and now once again, we have Francis in guy new lupita total as a player at heavyweight. That's that's very big news. Also of note ouster over him when his fight against her gay law veg he snaps his two fight losing streak. And it was interesting because Beijing to me could have been a sort of changing of the guard at heavyweight with with some new blood emerging in the end, it's the old dogs and in particular else Jovem who emerges as a player still with the big boys. So over him wins in Ghana wins, some other nice performances. Huge win for Lewis smoker. Snapping his four fight of losing streak. Taking the fight on short notice way. These young is turning into a sensation at one hundred fifteen pounds. And the seriously has something with her not only is she a very talented fighter. She hails from China, and to have a fighter like that who hails from China that is a very big deal for the company. She is aggressive. She is fun. She's a finisher. She's good on her feet and on the ground as we saw on Saturday morning, by the way, love the fact that the card was over by eight twenty eastern time. I mean who could beat that who can complain about that. So it was a good card, and we'll talk about the card, and we'll talk to some of those players on this card, but the story of the weekend, and the story that I think everyone is still kind of digesting talking about on this Monday morning slash afternoon is golden boy M as first foray into the world of mixed. Martial arts, golden, boy promotions to be more precise. And they had their first show Saturday night at the forum in Inglewood, California. And. Of course, it was Tito Ortiz vs chocolate number three, and it ended up being a pretty sad affair, and it ended up being the kind of fight that. I think a lot of us were expecting Chuck did not look good. He did not look like the old iceman. He had not fought in eight years. He's coming off a string of bad losses. And he got knocked out in the first round by Tito Ortiz who had not scored a knockout in the first round. And well over a decade Tito did not look spectacular. But obviously looked a lot better than Chuck. It was uncomfortable to watch. It was sad to watch. I felt the pressed afterwards I did pay forty dollars for that pay for you. I actually thought the pay per view had some nice moments. The broadcast team will be talking to one of those members of the team in a matter of seconds. I thought was strong Todd Grisham Frank MIR Rashad Evans, I think one of the big winners of the weekend was Doron win who also be talking to later in the program funding, the Komeito vent against the veteran. Filthy, Tom Lawlor, he is a protege of one Daniel Cormet, a lot more people know who Doron. China's now five a professional went the distance. But clearly a name that we all should be paying attention to include star on the rise. So it was an opportunity to give some guy some rubs so to speak, but the main event was very depressing affair, and I think afterwards there's a lot of grandstanding. There's a lot of people saying like, oh, you know, Chuck Schumer type things my general take is. And we'll have plenty of time to talk about on the show, but very cooked up. My general take is look we can't tell these guys went to retire. We have our own opinion. They're not gonna listen to us there fighters by trade. That's what they do. Chuck Adele has said on numerous occasions that he did not feel alive. He needed this back in his life. He did not want to retire when he was asked to retire. It was the right call to retire back in two thousand ten when he lost a rich Franklin, but he was just alive in the build up in the training camp Saturday night. This is what he lives for. And in the end, you could talk about his trainers. You talk about. The commission Indiana comes down to Chuck in his family because they're the ones who are going to have to deal with the repercussions. And they wanted us. They knew the repercussions. They wanted it. Now, I think they'd be crazy to ever do this again. But I can't sit back here and say like, oh, Chuck you need to do this you need to that. Look, no, one tells me what to do not tell him. What to do? He's a big boy, he's a grown, man. He's going to have to deal with the repercussions now commissions like California, should they be above this. Yeah, they probably should. But guess what? They'll be Texas. They'll be Florida. They'll be Oklahoma. They'll be China. They'll be Saudi Arabia. They'll be Abu Dhabi. They'll be they'll be some other jurisdiction on the planet. That's going to say. Yeah, we want tease versus chocolate or some variation of that. You know, we're entering an interesting time in our sport where there are guys. Like, Tito, teas and Chuck Adele way past their prime who are fighting and are making uncomfortable for us. Remember, this sport is just twenty five years young in this country. And at this juncture, we haven't had a lot. Of examples of what we saw on Saturday. Boxing, has a whole book full of those examples uncomfortable fights where we're fighters are fighting well past their prime not looking good not looking fit. Just just just making you sad. Make you depressed getting knocked out in fights. And against opponents that you never thought a million years when they were in their prime that they would get knocked out by well, that's what we're dealing with. Now is the sport tunes to grow gonna see a lot more fighters with long-term injuries with CTE with all kinds of things boxing has been dealing with quit some time, and Chuck is not the first example because certainly we have seen it. We saw it with. We saw it with with BJ pan. We saw with others. We continue to see it with some fighters as well. But Chuck is one of the biggest names that we've seen a guy stick around a little too long comeback. Try to rekindle that fire and it just goes horribly wrong. He was not the old iceman in there. And it was foolish to think that he'd be able to turn back the clock. It really was. It was uncomfortable to watch. It seemed like a guy that didn't know what he was doing in there. It really did. And in many ways, I thought Tito could have ended the fight a lot sooner. That's how just uncomfortable. The whole thing was that's how poor he looked in there. That's no knock on Chuck. He's been around for so long. He's taking a lot of shots. He shouldn't have come back. But I can't sit here and say Chuck you need to retire next. You in Barish stuff, you know, he's a legend, and he can do whatever the heck he wants. Now, we can choose not to take part in it. We could choose not to watch it or cover it or pay for it. But the the big boy. This big boy, this is a guy who has done this for the majority of his life. It's it's just a byproduct of the sport. It really is. And that's why you don't have them going out there and saying, yeah, I'm done because I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back. I hope that people close to him. That's this really falls on you know, his wife. It's it's his friends. Those are the people who should be sitting down and saying, no. But there's no guarantee of that because they were in the front row, and they they should have known. What was going to happen in this fight? So there's a lot to break down. There's lots of digest. Let me run down today's lineup. And then we shall get to our first guest of the day, the f- or mention there on win will be on at around. Three. Fifty five teeter tease will join us prior to him at around three forty loose smoke. Oh will be on at around three thirty talking about his big win this past weekend. In beijing. Carlos Silva, the president of PF L will join us at three o'clock in studio. That's going to be a lot of fun. Speaking of in-studio, it has been seven years. I said eight earlier in the day. It's actually seven seven years since John Jones joins us in studio. He will be in studio at three o'clock. I lie to thirty John Jones in studio. John bones Jones in studio, two thirty to five ouster over him, one forty five and gun and. Okay. We have a change of plans. I let us go to these machine. We'll be joined later by Frank MIR. But first, let's go to machine to be joined by a man who I was very curious about what he thought of the teas chuckled L fight on Saturday. He was not there. He prior to Saturday night had been a part of Chuck adele's training camp for every one of his twenty nine professional fights had cornered him for twenty seven of those twenty nine professional fights. But he did not take part in the training camp for this fight to not take part in the fight itself. As far as a cornerman position is concerned was vocal in the build up. Once was announced that he did not feel comfortable about the whole thing. And I thought it'd be interesting to hear his take on it all so let's go to these machine and say Hello to John Hackel. Men who has been by Chuck Adele side for so many years, but was not on Saturday night. John we actually only see your mouth here. Can you tilt your camera a little bit? So it's your. Full face, a little more a little more. Yeah. There we go next year glasses. Okay. Little how are you? John gay? I'm good. Okay. Can you hear me? See me. We're all good. See I can hear you. Okay. Kate like a little higher. If you don't mind because I feel like your nose at this point. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's much better. That's incredibly better. Yes. That's perfect. John good to have you on the show. You obviously weren't in attendance on Saturday. Did you watch the fight? Wife to on this phone, and I could see see it about as good as I can see you right now. But yeah, I didn't wanna go. I didn't wanna watch it last minute. When I knew it was going to go on. I actually was talking to my friend on the phone and I had him. He was watching it. So I had them FaceTime. Just so I could I kinda watch it a little. I thought that would make it easier. 'cause I I was nervous. I was like pacing all day were you you were not a part of his training camp. Right. No, not at all. Not at all. Will you ask to be part of it? Yes. Why weren't you apart of it? There's a lot of reasons I think mainly just. I think they knew I think he knew how I felt about it. And I think they don't want that kind of I've in the camp like somebody that's not for it. And it seemed like everybody around there was all like a they're all into it. And it was a great thing. And I did. So I wanna go mainly just to make sure that he was okay. And that everything was maybe, you know, fix something if it was broken or maybe talk someone into not doing this. Or I didn't know I just, but I think they sense my vibe because I was I was a little too negative about it going in. I think and and I think that I don't think they wanted that by around. So I didn't go did it bother you that you were not a part of it. Yes. And no, I mean, maybe I could have done something a little different actor talked about it. Maybe I could have maybe change up. Some things stint seem like there was a strategy at all blaming his camp at all their new guys that have never trained with them before. And you know, without a chance it's hard to have a really good strategy. But but then with that said, you know, if they saw the in the in the training camp, they could have maybe made it either judgment or just pulled the whole thing. But I, but you know, like, I said I wasn't there. I can't I can't speak for him. I've actually pulled guys out of fights during training camps. If I think they don't look good. And they're going to get hurt safety is number one for me always has been. So I don't know. I don't you know, it just didn't work out. And so, you know, I didn't I didn't want to bother him while he was in his training camp. And sometimes it was kinda hard to talk to his circle of people now. Were you in communication with him at all in the training camp? Yeah, we chatted a couple times. But like I said, he's kinda hard. He was kind of hard to get in touch with. You know, he had a lot of people that were you know, communicating for him. So you know, we talked probably like maybe maybe once a week. Okay. And and that's kind of weird for us. Oh, wow. Because usually you talk more than that. Yeah. During something like this. Yeah. If he doesn't have a training camp. It just every day. You know, we talked. I don't know how often, but we just talked like if I'm gonna be town or he's going to be here. We we text. We're not like buddies. We've never been buddies more like, you know, kind of family, right? But we don't hang out together or anything. But yeah, I felt bad about this fight from the get-go. I was against it from the get-go. I I was there when we decided he was going to retire. And when he the then he said, well, I wasn't really ready to retire back dance. I had to get you know, member he was saying that. Yeah. Yeah. He was he was eight years ago. He was ready eight years ago because you know, after the retrenchment fight. I mean, he was more than ready. Then right thought. So anyway, I mean, maybe I was wrong. But I thought he was ready to retire after rich Franklin Kayode him when when you saw the footage of him at the open workouts a lot a lot was made of that. Did you did you have more concerned? No, I I actually didn't because. We like when the cameras would come on in the old days, even like the camera and address room. I knew it was showing to the other dressing room where his opponent was before the fight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have do crazy stuff like, you know, switched out and just like make a crazy move. Just to throw buddy off. And I honestly thought that's what he was doing as I was just sandbagging. Wow. Okay. I really did. So you didn't order the pay per view. No. I didn't. But you're aware when the fight was about the star. Yeah. I was I was talking to one of my students, and he's sell checks gonna fight. Now, said FaceTime ING, he FaceTime e saw watched it through that what's going through your mind. This. So you told me twenty nine profiles heading into this one you part of all twenty nine training camps. You do not corner him for two of those fights. But you're still part of the fight here. You are at home watching this eight years, the build billable that what is going through your mind as the fight is starting looking at my. Yeah. As had I was have my wife. Check check my pulse to my my pulse was like I get nervous in the dress around. But I was like ten times more nervous because at least in the dressing room in the corner. I can have some control over what happens, and I can protect him or I can give them some strategies that was just like my heart was pounding. And the second second get clipped and went down. I just felt sick to my stomach is like can travesty know it was a travesty. When prior to the knockout, you you see the way he's fighting. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's it's inevitable. Right. Like, you know, it's coming. It's like watching. It's about to watch a car crash. Right. It just seemed from the get-go that it was. But. Then in the back of my mind. You know, forget the front of my mind, which was saying this in the back of mind, I was thinking, okay. He's gonna land that right hand checks fill land the right hand come on his land it come on. Yeah. Please hands down put your hands down. And I was thinking he's gonna he's gonna land that right hand in the back of my mind, but in front of my mind, I was like they can this does not look good. Was it worse than you thought? Yeah. Wow. In what way? For kale? I didn't think I thought I thought some bad things we're going to happen. I thought, you know, check know with a chance I thought it would be a KO if he lost later in the fight and more of a back and forth thing until he got clipped because I think Tito's still has his chin for the most part. And still Chuck hasn't knockout punch, but like stuck his like can check his like a tank, you know, he's not really that fast. But he has a huge cannon. When when it shoots lands in knocks the hell out of people, but his his tank now doesn't have any armor. So he still has a huge cannon. But it doesn't have any armor. So people can you know, people can shoot back at them and and hurt him. And that's what happens now with him. What did you think of Tito's performance? I thought he did everything he had to do. And and I thought it was for lack of a better term stellar. You know, I think stellar against. Almost fifty year old check. No. But I don't think it would be stellar against anybody in the top twenty in the USA or anything like that. But it was stellar for the older group of guys like that. When you actually saw him getting knocked out. How did you react? And my heart. I just my heart my wife around because she knows how emotional I get during those times than my heart. I just felt sick. I honestly felt sick to my stomach. And I was like, and then I had a little bit of relief. I honestly did. They. Okay. Maybe now everybody is circle. Now, they get it. Yeah. They should have got it with Franklin fight. I don't know why. I guess the time. I don't know the time, you know, made their memory different or something of that fight. I don't know. They've maybe they should watch that fight. But I think I thought I was relieved I think now they're going to realize no, just no more, no more. Here's so many options. He has he get at such a comfortable, and and and and fun and happy life without getting punched in the face anymore. And I think I hope they'll realize. That now. And so okay. So, you know, how personal this rivalry was you know, how I may not have been for you because you were just coaching you don't strike me as that of guy. But you know, about the history between those two you were there for the two fights the build up all the drama for the happen against Tito vol people, and then to see his reaction was there any part of us like come on. You weren't beating chuckle del. This is not vindication. Like, how are you reacting towards the whole celebration? When you're seeing your guy Chuck on the ground there. I have a big thing about people that celebrate until their opponent gets up that to me. That's disrespect. I don't like that. But with that said, I don't think Chuck Tito's little digging the thing and doing that. I think that was part of it. I think it's an entertainment factor. And I don't I don't think it was like he beat you. A check and older Chuck, but he's an older. Tito. So I think it's relative. And I I don't think it was anything wrong with that. And I think he finally and him he finally beat you know, the guy that pumped him twice. I mean, not about twice punked him at ultimate fighter show beat him at every event, and he finally beat him. So I I don't really think that his his little s little act after the fight. I don't know. I think it was part of the whole the whole scheme and the whole shenanigans of that whole crazy card. It was just kinda weird. The whole thing was weird. But I don't hold. I don't hold him against. I don't hold anything against Tito. Then he went and hugged Chuck and showed respect. And so I think it was something that he finally got to be Chuck. You know, I don't I don't I don't really think what he did was inappropriate. I really don't. I mean, he did beat another judge. But he's an all the Tito fair. That's a fair point. Was there a party that really? You wish that you could be in that cage on Saturday to just be with your guys could swim. Even though you didn't agree with the whole thing. But just I really do. Yeah. I do I do. But with that said might protection is a really big thing. All by fighters all the referees know that how big I am protected. My guys like I'm the towel throwing guy. But her Dane was so quick, and he protected Chuck. He was like he was right there. He did stricken outstanding job. So I I mean, I couldn't protect any more than than than her deemed it because it happened so quick and her dean was like fricken right there. And I really appreciate that. He will he was and a really thankful and grateful for that. And he really so I there's nothing else that could have done, but hug chug after and I wish I could have done that. Yeah. I heard one of the very best as you know. I would imagine he was a little quicker on his toes for this particular fight given. The with both did a great great job. And I'm really thankful for that. So have you talked to Chuck in the aftermath? Yeah, we're gonna have a get together next week. This couple of things I wanna say I wanna hear what he has to say. But. Not that I'm gonna be surprised by anything. I just think he has such a good life. And I just I just I, you know, we're just gonna talk about. I'm just gonna reiterate please not again. That's that's the biggest thing. Please. Not again, just because you know, safety and everyone you guys everybody loves chocolate. Everybody wants the best for jogging. And and we don't want to see him in that position. Again, did you reach out to him? Or did he reach out, by the way? You're you're actually blocking the camera by holding. If you do the other hand, we see your fully see this hand. They're there, you're fine. We'd see your your full face anyway. So it's not a big deal. But did you reach out to him? Or did he reach out after? He texted me the next morning. But I I texted that night. I texted his wife said, basically, no more. That's I mean, you know, that's it. Right. You know? And then he takes me back. I'm fine. Oh, I talked to him. Okay. I actually called her. I wasn't. I was not in a good mood. I called her and he was right there as I talked to many sounded Finers like that was like like ten minutes act of the KO or you know, and it's like he sounded fine. And that really relieves me. And then I texted the next morning. And then he takes back that he's gonna he's gonna come up next week. And we're gonna have a little chat even in the post FAI press conference. He wouldn't say that he was done for sure that this was a why do you think he has such a hard time doing it? I mean, it's hard. It's a hard thing for fighter like MTA. Do. I mean that's been his identity, and that's been his life for so long. People don't understand that you know, it's like. It's just it has been part of his everything, you know. I'm white fighters have a hard time. He I don't know but his money situation. But I I know that there's fighters out there with no money problems that should be fighting in more. They just want that last. It's such a high. It's like an adrenaline. You know, you've four feeling and I think it's hard for someone like him not to do it. That's his identity. You know? So he says for eight years it's been a void in his life. So hopefully, this one something else has to fill the void like you can't make you can't quit smoking and not chew gum or drink more coffee, or whatever just like, you got to replace that kind of that kind of habit with with something else with him, you know, fighting as much you know, it was whole life so Intel he can replace it with something. I think he's he's gonna it's gonna be hard. For him. Used to fill the void. Do you think if you were in his corner that this would have ended up differently? No, I really don't. I really I I wanna trash this corner. I really do. But I can because I don't I don't know what the strategy was. But they're they seem like they know what the hell they're doing some reputable guys McKay guys and stuff. So I don't I don't think that the one that would not one right hand landed, you know, I don't think anything would have been different. If I was in the corner. I don't think I could. Change anything. I really don't do you think that maybe maybe I could have had something different in the strategy. But check that really good with strategies is check wants to bang. So no matter what the strategies Chuck's default is bang. Right. Do you think that was it for him? Do you think in your heart? You think you'll ever fight against? Yes. I don't think it will again. I do not think he will fight again ID willing to bet on it. And I will I will be a lot more. And you know, I should've been more active in this one in in trying to stop it. I didn't because he's a grown, man. And I didn't you know. I don't I don't want to get involved in money issues. Maybe you know. So maybe needed the money. I'd on my saying he did. But I I don't wanna be the guy that you know, what? Yeah, you're gonna make X amount. But no, I'm saying you can't make that much money that will might do that. So but now after this fight, I will be more proactive there. John. I appreciate the honesty and the candor. I'm sorry turned out this way. But thank you for coming on talking about it. Hey, thanks for having such a great show. And and a great platform. Thank you. I appreciate it. There is John how common stopping by. So let's remain on this topic and say Hello to the man who defeated chocolate Dell on Saturday night the great Tito Ortiz. Joining us in a matter of moments view, the match Skype. Let's Skype works better. This time. There is the victorious. Tito ortiz. Joining us. Tito, how're you? Congratulations. Thank you doing wonderful. Got enjoy actually this morning. I'm sure that felt great. I'm sure this Monday feels great to finally get that win over chocolate Dell as you know, and again, by the way, I want to say thank you for coming on earlier than you were scheduled. I think Frank MIR sick or something. So appreciate you doing that. The story on this Monday isn't necessarily OTT on. It's Chuck look, really bad. Does that bother you? Yeah. I worked really hard for this. I mean, I. Rock a best buy that. I know. Everything concert afford Cam. There was no home might whole simple. I mean, I took a year off of an expert from my neck, but I never. Got through camp of teen. So I never worked harder. My life. And dominated each hugging. His game. Let's I'm sorry to do this again. Tito, but we're going to call you on the phone because for some reason, our Skype just doesn't seem to agree with yours. I'm sorry about that. We're gonna call you right now cakes. I wanna hear what you have to say about this or we're gonna call you right now. No matter of seconds here. There's something about the Skype situation over there in. Whereas Huntington beach, I do believe the Huntington beach badboy so good to hear Hackel men's assessment curious to hear Tito right off the bat say that he doesn't necessarily feel like he's getting the respect he deserves after the fact because that does seem to be the store everyone talking necessarily about not necessarily about Tito, but. Zeroing in on Chuck, and I do believe we have Tito back. He'd or you there. Yes. I am. Okay. Sorry about that again. So do you not feel insured? You not feel like you're getting the respect that you deserve on this Monday. After that win. No, just because you know, Chuck said so much I was gonna knock me out all kinds of fans and jokes about yet. Again. What do you got a crew? And I prove that I'm a vicious fighter. I'm proved that I haven't really lost it. He would say well you lost the chart twice when you guys are in your prime. I wasn't in my mind. I was you know, I was only in the game away five years for years. I wasn't staus still burning. I'm still learning. I was going through my back problems before I back surgery. There was so many things that I'll. But now when I'm healthy now when I'm on point, and Chuck said, you wanna fight me. He's wanting to be called me out. He's the one who agreed to he's wanted kept talking trash saying they I'm a tune of fight building. Everything the way he wanted to do. And all of a sudden when I smash an easy way. I did people say all that was there that it used to be. Well, why would you say so much things that how you're gonna smash the halogen fight and everybody else followed that same. Leave. He did. And then when I do they bashing for it. But it's probably show that there's so many chocolate fans out there. And I'm sorry to all the fans that I learned at I. You've been in the cage them twice before. You've obviously known him for a long time. You train with him back in the day when you were in the cage with them on Saturday and feeling about early on. Did that seem like the old shut to you? Or did it seem like a slower older Chuck? I looked across the same to me. Of course when the competition Cam about. I throwing I'm smile with younger guys now guys were fast. So you he did but a little slower, but at the same time as both my train on there's all the chain pars that I had Muslims Marietta, deem, j Silva all these guys that are pastoring younger. That's what I was prepared for Trump says, you know, in the are the videos that he had him. So I hit and miss that. That's not how he's doing real years and. I was thought he was bagging. But combinations. They did throw. He got one by two and a half minute marketing like he was a little bit faster. But it's just I was way back him my country's way. Basser his I felt great me. He touched me, and it was on my forearm and not on it. I mean, like I say I'm sparring with young guys now guys game, and I'm competing against them. I just. Respect should be shown a little bit on my side. 'cause I couldn't hard work to have an eight surgeries or next year. He's back surgery three degrees. And I'm still able to dismantle Chuck like that. And yes, he took his time. And he's the one who called me out. That's what I don't understand people bag on me. And I'm not going to call them out. I said you shouldn't do this the beginning. I started said, no, you shouldn't do this is like, oh what you're frayed. Once again. Here we go again, what he does afraid if I know better was ever like that. I always you wanna make sure that made a big piece of the pie. And in this fight. We did after everything you guys have been through. And and we're looking at some of the highlights right now after everything you guys have been through after all the back and forth, the drama dating back to the days, and everything that entailed when you finally finished him when you knocked him out. What did that feel like? Vicious. I I I don't know. I just felt like an animal married. I just everything worked out perfect. August all the sparring all the met work all the arounds. We did all the wrestling. I did all the road work. I did eighteen weeks. I sacrifice my body. Like, no other. I I was excited. I hit him with the punches fail. And I wanna make sure that he stayed down. And I was caught in a moment, of course, doing my celebration as one of my fights. But he said a lot about things about me. And I'm not a good person. And I take personal because I am a person. My my friends my family get my fans, what about the commission getting in the way of your celebration. There were you know, by that. They're not your teeth. I know I feel like they've never seen you. They want stopping me. No way. No. That night say man. I had a great night. I got I just everything just the place. It was it's from the very very beginning of cutting weight making the way with super easy on Monday. I was to twenty two on Tuesday hours to eighteen on Wednesday. I was too I think to fifteen on thanksgiving. I'll is two thirteen and then Friday when I woke up I was till nine. So I would await who've just perfect thanksgiving. I actually went on my way, and I reached out my father says to see what I could be on face getting to get back to you know. So I went and fed homeless for about four and a half hours as the laugh factory in Hollywood 'cause already Santa's hotel. So I did that and fed people thanksgiving thanksgiving dinner, and all of the first things given in twenty one years ago wasn't able the wow. You never fought around. Thanks. I mean, I guess you you fought at the end of the year not that that weekend. So it was was tough timing and understand. But I feel like the commission maybe signal the fact that they were like newbies or something. Because everyone knows that you're do that. I think that they thought that you were going to attack him. And that's why they were getting all worried. They didn't know how the celebration usually plays out. And that's what they were getting all up in your grill. Someone needed to educate them that. That's what you do after your fights. Yeah. Exactly. Why I forgot when I choked shells on the kid because they gotta me van, okay? But happening. Fast to Trump's is there is there any part of you in high. I know I know this is a personal thing. I know you kind of buried the hatchet as well any part of you that feels bad for Chuck. Not bad. You know, I still form 'cause you know, yet the other day as much as he said, he wasn't my friend. I still see as one of my boys, and I still have that feeling. And like I said the beginning. I I told me shouldn't be Chinda the fight. But he just demand it, and you can tell a man what to do. I mean. I people never tell me what to do. And I don't want. I always just I do what I wanna do. And he had a first fist of what he shouldn't be in there for me. And that's I don't know. Sorry, because he did what he wanted to you know, he's a warrior and he's a true champion. And I I respect them. I've always respected them. Why do you still consider him one of your boys considering all that's been said, especially from him about you? I am man. You know, you know, they say keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. It is what it is. And so okay after the fact he would not say that that he is done. He said he's going to think about it. And what whatnot we just had John how come in on his as going to urge him to retire. Do you feel like that's the end you feel like you should retire? Well, I I don't know. I mean, he bought a cheat. Ortiz vicious man, I'm telling you I had to buy camp was amazing. I had no injuries. I. I was like I could beat anybody that night that night, I could destroy anybody. I was just on point. I was it was my night. Everything has world happens for reason chopping continue to fight give them somewhat more about five. Jim someone who actually can can do. Yet unified. I was not to fight. If he goes back to normal camp. I make you do. Well, he just you can't go to a new camp. And then all of a sudden you're gonna compete at the same level. You always have the camp, you always been with and being John Ackerman was a blessing John Ackerman amazing coach, and I didn't understand why he wasn't John Ackerman. But chocolate those the man himself grown, man. He's a great father and he's gonna make decisions. What about you was that your last fight? Yep. Under percent man hundred percent, if there's no reason to come back and fight anybody else. I mean live there. There's no one out there. You know? I thought those who. I've done what I needed to do. Now, it's going to some little bit better, focus, my mind strictly on on a business of helping these fighters and Saturn promotion, we started new promotion the promotion, so let's just keep it going. I mean, you'll Oscar in Arizona as on Friday ably, and we're gonna sit down, but the numbers together. And they said it made sense. They said it was amazing. I believe almost sold out house for the head open. And they were happy. They're really really happy. Okay. I'm gonna ask you about that in a second. But you say you feel better than ever you fell vicious. You're on point amazing training camp the way coat was phenomenal. And and and you got win over your rival. And you made a lot of money as you said why like you don't think in a year, you'll be tempted? Here's one more one. There's always another guy out there. Can you say definitively that that was the end? Yes, I can say that was the end I wanna enjoy life, man. I want to do business. I want to focus on what's gonna be my next chapter of my life and promotion is where it's at. I think there's a lot of fives out there. I take advantage of. And I wanna give my mom kids to be come brands. I wanna get up Cheney become partners of their fight business that they put their lives on the line when you step into the cage. Okay. Now, the future of golden boy Emma may as it was called. Can you also say definitively that that was not a one off? They are here to stay. I believe we are here to stay. Yes. Surrey? And when you say, we what's your pardon? All this. Well, we're gonna have to see when I sit down with them on Friday. You know? I worked at USC for such a long time and sixteen years. I know the ends and outs and everything I just never got an opportunity to use my skills on that side of it. It's time to really get educated on it be a hard worker and dedicate myself to one hundred percents chocolate. They argues me Dana white getting to become president overnight of USC. It took them a lot of hardworking dedication time with his family and to learn how to do it the right way. And he's a master at it man, Dana. Why is the best USC is the best? I don't want to compete against USC. No colo. There's a Pepsi. I see an AT and T T mobile. I mean, there's always competition with each other for you got shabby. I mean, you have see you're gonna have golden volume. And so would you like to be the the Dana white if you will the promoter? Do you wanna have a financial statement? What rule do you think is best for you? Besser me as helping them make the sessions on bringing break fighters giving those fires opportunity to. Become great SARS to become the next characters become next door teams. Chuck adele's rampages Clinton. Wednesdays jackson. You know? I think it's just going out and finding those guys guys Conor McGregor. There's many people out there. They don't get up chain to do it. And I want to give that up to one of the big talking points heading into this this car this debut card for golden boy was that, you know, the fighters would make more the purses that I I know that they aren't always. You know, they are always accurate and telling the true story, but the person there was a big discrepancy over what you guys made with the rest of the card made. So how's this any different than say, you have see card where there's a big discrepancy between the the main eventers and the undercard guys. I mean, as you get the level of fighters that were in there. I mean, we're banking on me and shot. Now playing simple we've got young fighters that we need to build we need to build brands. And that's what's really important given us opportunity and seeing how hard it in general now be able to do a little bit better for the next card and serve building. Guys. Don't get me wrong. We're not gonna do another review. That's not right. Yeah. That's the next now starts to build the brand itself and to make fighters brands themselves back the next step is building guys. So you'd like to have some sort of TV deal, right where we're more people can watch. Exactly and go around the world finding the best fighters. And I think that's really important and be able to vet those guys have three will have their own sponsorships. You know, say what they want to say then and never really sensor is I think that's really important. Do you have any idea any ballpark number as to what this did on pay per view? Not yet. I've heard so far in the to hundreds. It's over that. I'm very very very happy. I mean, of course, these super talks with all the people who hired people using everything, you know, we had to do our homework on Sunday yesterday trying to block a lot of things and we're still doing today, and you kind of realize how hard yours truly works to make that happen images difficult to make sure that guys oh pirate things. And usually does job of it. We're trying to do the same thing or selves Oscar de LA Hoya as you know is a legend and does a fine job in boxing. But I was critical of him in the build up to this fight. It didn't feel like he had his heart into it. He was mispronouncing Chuck's name. All the time. He didn't know anything about the like the press conference. I thought you and Chuck did a way better job than him at selling. This. Do you think that he wants to be a part of this or golden boy may remains a thing that he should maybe just focus on boxing and someone like you focus on the way. May. There's your answer. Depend a medallion our to defend Oscar he and the boxing promoter. Yeah. Something that he would be fun to do. This is an experienced hand. But you know, what let's give you guys are not chain to fight us to the fans, and he did no more than that. And when I got up to sit down and talk him, he's like, and this MA bills, a totally different monster go, but we can do well at it. We just gotta work hard and make the right things happen for these spiders futures. He goes Geeta hours a fighter and I became motor. I'll get back to boxing. I know you're a fighter in mixed. Martial arts. You wanna be promoter? We can do it together. And this this stuff them right fighters. So that'll be the steps. Okay. Ideally, how many shows would you like to do next year? I'm at least eight to ten shows. Okay. During the year. I mean, maybe even twelve maybe we do one a month and just go around the United States or the world and have a small show and all of them. And like I say I am looking to see I don't want to compete with USC USC is a an animal on machine. There's no one's gonna be better than them. But I just wanna get the fighters and opportunity to compete at the can't compete me us you. Congrats. Tito, thanks for doing this great job on Saturday. And hopefully, you know, the the beef is over you guys can move on maybe friends as you said on Saturday, and maybe even work together. I don't think anyone wants to see Chuck fight again. And maybe there's a home for him at golden. Boy, what do you think? Yes. There's a possibility. I mean, of course, going out shooting fighters get shot doing that. But we just gotta work hard. I know he was with USC for a while. And as an investor, but he didn't really work that much. So if you're gonna work with me, you're gonna work hard. You do things I work as hard possibly care. Good luck. Tito, thank you very much. Congrats again. Awesome. And appreciate guys. Thank you. All right. There is not coming off his victory over chocolate Dell on Saturday night at the forum, the fabulous forum in Inglewood, California. He finally gets his win over Tito Ortiz last time, she'd be over Chuck Adele last time, they was two thousand and six he says, that's it for him. He says it's the beginning of golden boy, Emma may we'll see if those are true. Doubts about the first one. But we'll see. Talk more about that later on as I said at the top of the show the other big story over the past weekend was see back in China in Beijing to be exact and the Amine of featured Francis gun versus Curtis blades to and the big story going into that one would be could Francis. Finally, turn back the clock. Could he get back on track? Could he snap his losing streak? Could he regain the form that he had in two thousand seventeen you talk about turning back the clock? That's when you you talk about Chuck Adele Ortiz in this case, it's not that much of a clock to turn back. Well, guess what? He did it. He knocked him out in less than a minute. He is back on track. He's looking good. He is feeling good. And he's here to talk about it. Also, let's go to the phone lines and say Hello to the put that on in gun new. No one, my friend. How are you Phillies tussle? Messia vehicle. How? This. You've had some big wins in your life. But I feel like this one felt better than all the maybe even come by considering everything you've been through over the past year is that fair is that possible that this one felt better than anyone of your wins in the past. That's true. That true. You know, the that did of his win wasn't this seemed like what of war, you know, that I component input like two thousand seventeen. I didn't like you know, really enjoyed victory. North of like, okay, I win. Good like, not like just one small valuable. You know what I mean? Yeah. Of course, considering everything you've been through all the critics the ups and downs. You end the year on on a very high note were you did you feel like this was do or die for you Francis? Did you feel like this was must win? Did you feel more nervous than you had in the past? Yes. I said more nervous. You know? I said Mon as what I said before, you know, I tried really hard to put myself in a good position to put myself in shit to connecting my mind. But you know, you still have that kind of. That didn't in your mind that kind of like doubt doubt on. Then all like, I mean, I did everything where I try everything much. I can get this win. But it kind of like that little thing like. Dining my like. Okay. What's going to happen? Exact you know. And then you know, like, no this should be a win. And then mostly I mean, I think because I I did with my with my with my law active did and I really like. Okay. That's good duties happen happen. It happened. You know, you can do with it dry. You know? So then I went through on three did you work with anyone Francis? You know, like a sports psychiatrist someone like that to help you get over things. Mentally, did you did you hire anyone because you talked about in the Derek Lewis fight that you know, you're just couldn't pull the trigger. Did anyone help you get over that hump? I try I work I work with someone. Yeah. In France on of. I mean, I didn't know much about out like he's gonna work. He works on not that at least, I try, you know, you might be something in it. And then a try three, you know. But I keep doing I mean, and I can tear easy was that. I'm like. If. Apple that. That mean, something, you know, that might mean something then my height something, you know, so. I work with some cycles. I saw that you had your old team around you for non Lopez your longtime head coach was there. It seemed like you went back to your roots for this one. Did it feel right? Did it did it feel? Okay. You had the familiar faces around you. It seemed like you were going back to your old team. Yes. Accomp- one. No, you know, who we have. He had signed very hard time. And then you know, Jim was. Be different than it was that we give we focused on the on the work on the way did that. Have those have been back in? I think that that was that was I thought about even before the fight again the Lewis I thought about about it. And I said, I I need something like that. And that's why I came back here, you know, for my root friend event. Two team. Everything. So you in Fernande are okay now after the comments that he said about ego, and all that you guys settled your differences. What do you mean? Kind of. I mean, we will see. Even after all this. You didn't sit down and talk about it. Or you you still feel like there's things that need to be worked out. Yes, we we we we spoke about it. But you know. I think we have to talk. Okay. What do you have to talk about? What do you have to clear up? Well, I think that. Anything was doing on our way. Okay. When to kill on your show. I call them up right now if you wanna to do it right here. No, I'm just so are you no longer living in Las Vegas. No, I'm even investing this. I just came back in. Okay. I'll be back in. I noticed that you walked out, the two parks all eyes on me. Why was that? Yeah. About to you know, some of my requirement that song. And then I was like. I mean, I like it. I feel it on like. Okay. Time to to overcome. It's time to stop. You know? He's kind of like us you what you've been to that. Can you confident? It was nice. I thought it was very appropriate from the from the moment the fight started. Did you feel like yourself again? Did you feel like you could just let loose? Hot I had work in lot about. So even before get my mind was clear that we're going to go to her tonight on a yes, I. Oh when mall that I feel lose confidence. I mean, I don't want to I didn't want to mess up. The I feel like I get this one, you know, but I was like being crucial Minolta is not a. It's not a it's not easy fighter. So like booking washout that good. He seemed to think that the stoppage was early. What did you think? I think you wasn't early because fold. When he says. I went there. And then I I did a little bit like, okay or not Danny STAN started to crop my leg that is when I conscious to hit him. And I didn't think I think it was right? He goes. Anyway, I was. I want to continue right? Oh, I think it was. I think it was the right cause while he was not defending himself. He went down face. I I know he came back up. But I I had no problem. I thought it was one hundred percent the right call. I think so. Yeah. What was it like in China for you was that your first time there? Yes. Time in China. You know? Oh the. Route to China, noting was everything was completed. Maybe even visa what China. Oh my goodness. So I didn't go in China on September seventeen for the site. Komo Shaw because I can be in Los Angeles. And then. We applied for his the VS you walk hot for look how top forty but they didn't give me give me give me. And then I came back to spend it, I Mon modern Mon in two huskies. They give me like one hundred nine. On november. Wow. Yeah. And then I went into China onto ten. On man hot. I went there. I couldn't be one. My talk one didn't work. No internet. No, no, social media not gang on. Then. I was like what I think. Mistake like come here by my. There was a way to. To make just on. I could talk back, but I couldn't yours like eleven our flights. So. Wasn't worth it on back to our just like the stain die because I stopped that, you know, but I and jeans insist to get a, and then I kind of like injury, basically, you know, like, we couldn't I couldn't eat like free like ease. You these year because they say, yes, you're gonna wash out the USA temperature or to keep me on aches. You might get into me. You don't know which media, did you don't know what company you don't know. Not have our juicy washout. So it's kind of like scary. You don't know where to put your the only team that, you know, for sure that you eat noodles and meat and fish and tell you that then you gonna you're gonna eat meat anymore. So he's kind of like it complicate everything was complicated. Wow. Well, at least you got the victory. I I noticed speaking of your your your diet. I noticed that you were for your title fight. You are to sixty three. I believe this when you're fifty four, but like you were like a slim to fifty four it was that a conscious decision on your part it fully you were slimmer. Yes. Even again, a Cutty even to Louisiana was to like two fifty fault. Yeah. And then uniform type of fight I could wait. I went to like. For the win day. Yes. I was heavier. Hideous. Yes, you know, like. A lot of teams that I'm just learning. I I didn't crew grow up. I let the team that. I I don't know. So I'm just learning like dire. Like, how to eat like, you know, I crew up in so move war that, you know, just having doesn't matter what you have to eat as soon as you have as long as you have something to eat, you gonna praise God, you know, you don't check. What is it? You're just print like, oh, Finally, I have something to it. You know? I don't know how to control what to eat stuff like that. And then now that I have a proficient f- either a have to learn that. I mean, I'm learning. It's easy. Try. Put teams to get because in this level is all about. This then I'm trying to figure out the deters to optimize my. My right. My full. There ever a point Francis. Where you thought you you might never feel this feeling ever. Again, the feeling of victory you doubted yourself. I know times it was very hard on you this year and all the public criticism and the drama. Did you ever doubt that you'd ever get back to this moment? You know? I honestly, I doubt. I mean like I kind of like feel like Jane is running away. And then I like some doubt on my in me. But I always show. I I'm I don't know why I have that sitting. But I'm always short that. I going to be Trump. I'm going to come back then that Sean is to win how so that was like my concern. But I I knew that going to happen. I you know, like. Might be my first time in the sport to be in this situation back into life. I used to I know how sometime you can go t at the bottom. And then that doesn't mean he's supposed to you know, you can't move calm any kind of short. But you was very hot was. Yes. Like Cup outy. You can't think you're like. Something. Can you think you're to sit in clear something is blocking you to have confidence in yourself, even do in your mind? You're like, you know, that is going to happen. But how you say so you was the kind of feeling that. I'm like I need like. Recre- to to get the team back. So this. That's exactly what I I was thinking for this site. Did you hear from Dana white afterwards? No. Why? Well, he was critical critical of you after your loss. I feel like congratulations would have been nice some kind of tech some kind of, you know, great job. I don't know if you're gonna if you're going to be openly critical after loss. Private text would be would be a nice gesture. You know, got something that I have done chose the what you're doing for yourself. And as long as you're doing your bed is okay. I mean people want. Always be okay. With your you know. So I don't know. I don't know. Join the focus just have to focus on me. And then a put any team or besides did you did you delete in? Yep. Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, go ahead. I was just curious. Did you delete all your old tweets? I didn't delete it. You know? I get hacked, right? Yeah. Yes. I get hacked. Okay. I get some high hacker mess up. My socials. Like, my puts like any kind of security we change everything on then he wasn't it. He kicking kicking me away from my social. So I couldn't get access in it. I didn't Daley. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yes. I remember about that on on Instagram and all that stuff. Okay. I was just curious if you're I don't know he was. Ace dot com. Tutors says boo even my Email address. Oh, my changed it. Yeah. It's annoying. So I I know it's fresh, but I'm just curious if you had your way who would you want next who makes sense nex? I said. Jio? I'm excited for this weekend to see what happened. Yeah. Junior win like to. I would like to have to you, know, wise. I do wonder revenge against. I feel like the winner of this weekend's main event between scientists and tight we've us makes the most sense. Yes. No. It's not wrong. Yeah. It makes sense. It makes sense to me. Anyway. Who me if I right? I need. Call me. Me that he can give me the fight. So I'm waiting for. But for now enjoy the victory, my friend. What a year for you amazing. How this year started everyone thought one hundred percent champion the ups and downs. You come back you end on a high note, not only new end on a high note, you stop Curtis blades who was blazing hot in less than a minute. You're back. You're feeling good. What a way to go into two thousand nineteen. You showed us that you have to continue to believe be resilient have confidence in oneself. Don't listen to the haters. Don't listen to the critics do your thing. Don't have Dow it was beautiful to watch. Don't put your trust in people trust on yourself. 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This was a yeah, it was a land. We had to you know, we had to put him away put him away in the way we did. After say a lot of hours of work went into this crap. I cannot always take my preparation series. But big fan to the guys in Denver team elevating. They did a great job in. Yeah. Sharpening me up. And. Yeah. To my attended everything. And. Yeah, work happened the way I did. I feel like every time. Everyone wants to say, oh Alastair is done. He's past his prime over the hill. You come back with a performance like that to remind us that you are not pasture prime. You are not over the hill. I feel like this has happened several times throughout your career. This one though correct me from wrong. This one was special because I feel like after the last two performances. I it was starting to, you know, like your age and everything like that that that talk was starting like is it really is it really it for Alastair has he really reached that point where we should start talking about retirement. Then boom, you beat an up and comer like Sergei Pablo vich this one had to feel sweet if not the sweetest. Well, I don't know man. There's there's there's been so many this is my eighty. I think eighty nine flight. Wow. The next one is going to be into my ninetieth. Yeah. We've we we've we've met a couple of comebacks. Some I'm just I'm just happy to turn out. Right. And I'm still enjoying the ride the journey should speak. You know 'cause it was again two different camp again different city. Again, you gotta figure out again. I've felt age wise I could still make the jump. So let's just go for it, man. And then to be honest what else to do right, right? I don't feel old. I feel younger than I am over for it with, you know, back in the days in some of the gold. I am I don't feel. I don't feel for that. I don't feel old. I'm not gonna feel young. I don't feel your meter. But. It's like, I'm still going strong. I guess I love trading. I love doing it. I'm still kicking in the gym. They're still improvement damn so eager to learn. So. Yeah. And if I put some hair joy in my hair, look too. So we're not gonna give in we're going to keep on going. We're going to do this this this one jump back Shambo figure it out after that that was a little bit the mindset going into them. Her had a great chemistry the guys over there. And. Yeah. You could say motivation and hunger. Background. Okay. So it's been awhile since we talked. So I'm just curious. How did you end up in Denver, obviously, I know that you fought Curtis plates in in June back in Chicago. But how did you actually end up there? What what was the process that led you to to to moving out there for this camp and training with blades his team? Actually, finding one. So I ran into blades after he beat Mark hunt. And we are talking when I was like, hey, let's go train together because I didn't have many much partners. And he's kinda like coming guy. But then our fight got announced. So we're gonna stop talking. In the loss to fight. And then even happening fight. I was like I need to any the switch it up. I need to change things. Secondary. All my daughter's has come. Okay. So. Then the fight happen loss fight. But then after five to me it was like, hey, I got a switch some things working out. So Jeff Shaw, they invest in your fault. He was trading Duane Ludwig. I was texting number do and let me come do session actually takes new Milan. Results in Denver at the time. But right before jump on the plan was like if I'm going to try and Curtis. Let me kind of a mess. Just let him coming rice might be awkward if I just show up all of a sudden message anything, I assure come train up takes you the address some in them ver-. And he sends me a message overtraining here in here at this. And this time I'd like I think it goes to over one PM or something so show up team innovation. I had no idea about version number no idea about the coaches Nordia who train sorta. Where 'cause I just walked in there didn't know what to expect. And they're all looking at me. Like, what is he doing here? But yeah, yeah. It was like kind of weird, but I just did the session. They were very polite team team energy was great and actually after two free days training there. I kinda Verdy felt like, hey this way to go. I kind of always gone instinct. Sports rationale, but also also using feeling and I felt like, hey, I have to really gone for this couple of Albuquerque. How to talk with the coach there this news. I'm gonna gonna different direction them stop here. So that was actually the end of Albuquerque, and then the figure out them for team elevating, but she's done and ever working. So since I was back in back in August. And you stayed there from August in member. Did you go back home tween? I was I was I was back home brief, okay, just dollar and just type some some some things I little brief holiday and Miami to a couple of days, but I was in base in Denver with the new. And it wasn't weird for you to be training with blades after what happened in that fight in June. No to me because I don't have any go. And I think for him as well because it was very cool. Very cool guy. He's he's living younger than I am. But of course, I don't treat them that way. Just see this as fighters top five, but he was a gentleman very good guy. Very no ego whatsoever. And that I don't know because before you never know how it is. But I just felt really good in that environment humiliation, really good team, energy coaches for awesome. And they also they also pay attention to the energy. And I just felt hi this. This is working out and Christmas, Brad. Would it be fair to say that you're gonna stay with them? That's a very, yeah. Yeah. But I already decided that before the outcome of this because the grove is there for me, and I feel. I feel growing and I just feel good. They're no secret that you've ounce around a bit over the last few years. Are you hoping that this is your final stop? I'm he's normal. If you're training for twenty five years, of course, you're going to have a couple of gyms, right? I've had a couple of Jim Jim I twenty five years, different coaches. I think it's very helpful to have different coaches because you just every has certain outlook has certain luggage. And that can be depleted after a while. So changes is is not a bad thing. Yeah. And and let's be honest. You don't have a couple more years left in me. Then I think it's time to to do something else. I wouldn't wanna be like Chuck, right? That's too old forty eight. Now, we're not gonna do that definitely gonna do. But a couple more years. Yes. And definitely hoping this would be my last stop when you when you see that Alastair is that a reminder that this game can be very cruel. You could be the man. But if you stick around for too long, you can end up like that. And people are starting to talk about to you like in a sort of charity sort of way. Like, I I you're not there yet. You haven't even hit forty yet. But is it a reminder of, you know? Sometimes you can extend your career, and it doesn't end up. Good for you. And it could be very dangerous. Did you view it that way what happened on Saturday night a long time ago? I already realized that defied game, you know. You're going to be a loser. Hot game sooner or later. So. And that. Yeah. You shouldn't hang around too long. I've been fighting for a long time. I I find it was in nineteen ninety seven twenty years ago. But. Yeah. You you should fight you need that you need to have clear important for yourself and don't come back standard. You miss it. Then you're fighter hard, and this and that, but in my opinion need find other stuff to fill that. Void right. What do you think? You'll do whenever that time comes how do you feel that? Void. I actually give that a lot of FOX what I'm gonna do is. I'm going to. Do a couple of things I'm gonna partially live in Thailand. Which is one of my goals. It's like beautiful lifestyle there. Yeah. I'm gonna start to coach because I just love being in the gym. And I'm going to have like a bunch of kids like not even I already have freaked goes. But I'm gonna have like three or four more. Wow. Keeps me. Nice and busy. Wow. I remember talking to you not that long ago. You said you don't change diapers. You want to have seven kids. It's a lot of diapers. That means they must have a great partner. Right. Yes. Wow. Must be nice to have so many kids. Never change diapers. I wish I had that deal. I'm gonna take something. I've seen as a factor is done. A all also have to get to. I'm afraid. I saw beautiful picture you posted. Did your daughter come to visit you when you landed which she there at the airport that she did she give you flowers or something or is that from someone else? Yeah. She she comes pick-me-up actually both daughters. And then we my other daughter was we went to her up seen my girls. Yeah. Legacy. True. Yeah. I thought you look great. I thought you were powerful you're on point the finish was vicious. It was it was somewhat vintage over overall where you happy with the entire body of work. Very happy very satisfied. It's kinda funny. How you you kind of beforehand ready feel like, hey, this is going to be at. Right. Yeah. And solely depending on my own shape and form and input and camp and everything because my opponent, I didn't or too much from him. You know, of course, you see some fights. But the Pfizer was sometime ago, actually, the internet lied because it's headed we'll see what six two two pretty two pounds actually for those guys like small he's actually like a light headway was doing everyday, then the guy's like more big than me than me. So okay. So. Yeah. But as you were walking out, you're feeling good. You had a feeling that things would go your way. Yeah. I felt the right in camp already felt in the camp or any felt on the way. On the on the on the walkout during everything. I already felt and the other thing that was really good. What's really cool as the five being in Beijing? My crib being many times Japan twelve years in Japan over seventy six Japan never fought in China. Actually on your one doing the PR two two years ago. You know, and I I like Asian Asian cool. I train in Thailand often at a couple of fights in Korea. Which was like absolutely insane fans were in my opinion, never that crates. Yes. In South Korea. So. Yeah, China was was cool. Right. Birthplace of many martial arts. Another chapter in in in my history source like, yeah. Very excited about that too. I was just about to ask you about that. Did you feel any similarities from the crowd? It's not Japan. But did if you know, the the Japanese crowd, they're they're they're they're famous for being very quiet and being very respectful same kind of thing in China. Or is it a different experience? Yeah. I definitely fall. I definitely felt the chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. The people are different kinda different. They're kinda different the kind of culturally different behave different slightly different. Okay. But in the end, I don't know. I just cannot grow up with Asian people. I guess how is the food there? Food was awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And you can get around. No problem. You mean walk around there. Yeah. Actually, do I was just resting. No tell mostly okay, folks modern and yes, we did do the work. I did do the media Gatien. But most of all around the tell by the way avenue, John. John after the blades loss like that. Was that was also, you know, a very violent finish. And and it was somewhat hard to watch especially, you know, knowing you for so long how long did it take you to get over that one? Because I remember that night in Chicago a lot of people say, oh, this could be the end. I mean that was just really really, you know, it was a vicious ending. And you can hear it with elbows on the ground there for you, both physically, and mentally how long did it take for you to turn the page. You've always been good at that. But for that particular one, I'm curious. So I went back to Holland and. I I got stitching and Chicago of hospitals those like, you know, drama shooting victims and that guy so that was thing. Joe Romero came in. He was kinda like Punchdrunk something hurts he was like screaming vice crew that was kinda Larry's the next to the next. I went back to back to Holland. And you know, you start analyzing you start realizing, hey, what happened? Why did it happen? The way it happens. I'm pretty good at right half. A lot of fights eighty nine fights now. And and and you know, it's not that I lost. Several times. I like eighty percent winning Princeton lost like a number of losses. I'm good of analyzing it, and I'm good at just looking at what happened, objectively and. Yeah. Start making changes, and you know, to be honest. Okay. Six chima. Ed. Never good, right? You don't wanna have too many of those loss because that could really be the end of your career. But I was I when I lose I just wanna I just wanna play again. I just wanna do I wanna go, but I'm not gonna go again with the same configuration because it's a reason why lost we have to change some things, and you know, many times change a lot of stuff. Actually this time. Also change a lot of stuff and the main thing, of course, being the location being being switching teams or there's a couple more things. I changed as well. And then I just wanna go again. And I don't know it seems that. New weapons new ways of training new new methods. They're just they're just give you confidence. And I think I think that's a little bit the S of mixed martial arts to write fighting and self you keep going keep going, whatever. What else did you change other than the camp? I'm not gonna give you three narrowly. Not oh, I didn't. I didn't know it was a person like is very personal thing. No, it's not a personal thing. But. Yeah. I don't know. I just I just don't like to talk about everything. I never talk about everything. Right. I never give everything I give you I give you like a bunch. Yes. I mean, I it's a little bit hard to tonight at I'm trying to vacation, right? Sure. Sure. Sure. But. But but but but, but yeah, I I don't know. I don't want other other. I don't I don't I don't think the guarded tried to meddle when people to know everything about me. I know it's like sometimes like I asked you in the past about your walkout music. And you still haven't told me you remember when I asked you after you one sixty nine you said, I was like a salmon or something I still didn't get that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're still are. Okay. So so there are a lot of other things. Wow. Multiple things. Yeah. Okay. Was it was it was it hard to fully be happy about the victory. When blades, you know, when your friend, your new your new teammate, and everyone is invested in him as well, he loses. So like was that awkward at all for you? Yeah. Cool guy. We've we worked. We were actually in the camp together. No IGA manage total Koga told a genuine guy guy. Good guy, right zero bad vibes. And trust me, I've trained reveal all the different fighters. Champions legends all types in less twenty five years and goodness. Is a good guy, man. He's just dedicated to the sport focused, no bad things at all. I can say about cheese Toyota character, it was a little bit mixed emotions in the locker room because yes, I had a beautiful victory. And then he had a kiddie laws actually wasn't because he was not really gone, and you would you would say many vent you'll out to go little bit further. But then again, it was a little bit wobbly Francis hits like storm, dude. Yeah. Would have mixed emotions, right? How soon do you want to return? Well. I can fight against soon. It's up to me. Oh. And actually, I have somebody in mind too. That would that was gonna be your next question. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I saw your tweet earlier today are are you referring to the Black Beast ball? Let's go. That's who you want you want. Derek lewis. Yeah. Yeah. How come I'm gonna I'm gonna be putting him away? Well, okay. He's a strong guy. But other than that. I'm not impressed by him. And. Yeah. If I'm gonna put him away. Wow. Okay. So that's the one because you didn't say Derek Lewis on Saturday. But now, that's who you want. Saturday. Everything was fresh that was number one number two, you know, in in in in in America press conference are different. It's more America one-liners challenge air, so there'd be more and then Asia, it's respectful in. It's more different different five today. I was definitely not going to challenge. Anybody was more about the respect. But since you're not Asian. Right. Right. Now, we're now we're back to business. Okay. Well, moving ahead. So Derek Lewis. That's the guy has he done something to bother you. Or you just feel like it's a good matchup. You know? His humor. I think it's stupid. A lot of people are laughing about it to me. It just doesn't make any sense. But also, I'm gonna take him out. Okay. So somewhat personal. No, it's absolutely not. I've never had anything about him. But I'm just gonna take him up. All right. I love it. Okay. Let's go. And sooner rather than later if possible. Shuna rydell. Yeah. Alastair? It's good to have you back, my friend. I was happy for you genuinely big win people out. I didn't count you out by the way. I never jumped off the bandwagon. You had a little dog. Never I'm a rider dialys ter-. I am not going to jump off until this thing is has no more wheels on one wheel left. I'm still there. I got your back. I'm gonna alter that area. Always congratulations, my friend. Enjoy your time with your family. Enjoy the holidays, and we'll talk to you soon. Thank you as always for for coming on the show. It's great to talk to gin. Yeah. Baby. Golf balls. Let's go. Thank you, all stir. There is over him coming off the big win over Sergei Pavlovich. And as he just said he wants hot balls. Derek Lewis coming off that loss to Daniel Cormie earlier this month, they Madison Square Garden. Let's see. I think it makes sense. Let's see if the obliges all right seven years ago, my friend seven years ago, the great John Jones who at the time was promoting you have C one forty his fight against leader. Machida? Join me in studio that is the last time Johnny bones Jones has been in studio. My program a hell of a lot has happened since then as far as this shows concern as far as his career is concerned, but he is back on December twenty ninth UFC, two thirty two he's fighting Alexander Gustafsson in a rematch in what I believe is a rematch of the greatest fight and you'll see history UFC one sixty five and the Harry his in the flesh, John. Are you? Sure know. Yeah, we're live, man. We're live. We don't mess around. Here. You got a heart out. You gotta leave. You gotta tight schedule eight. How are you? Dave. Everyone's in the house John here. I feel like I'm like looking at like like a like a Mirage right here your frame young. I know can you talk close to wanna hear you. How are you John? Great, man. Glad to be here. You look great. Thank you hair grove it. I'm actually gonna going to shave it off again for the fight. Okay. I thought the ball last got knock out. So why not try something different go ball again? So this is a real pleasure for me a real honor to have you here. I can't believe I'm talking to. Everybody when I put it out there. Everyone's like John coming in. It's so hard to get you. You're actually here. We're doing it, man. You're doing a whole media tour today. Yeah. All day. And can I ask you I was on the air what's going on earlier table drama with our counterparts? I take tweet about that. And they're a little they're gray. Staffs, lots of questions Ida pulling punches, and I'll go lay the smackdown, of course, that you're back. It was pissing off more Kellerman or Stephen Kellerman. Really? Yeah. But he didn't really pays me off who's asking spicy questions. You know stuff. I wasn't really wanting to get into. But things that I'm aware that sometimes it's necessary to get into. So it's just what it is. It's always got though. Yeah. I probably shouldn't tweeted that. All right. Well, it made it a bigger deal than what you don't do the whole delete thing anymore. I try not to as much. Okay. I've learned not to care as much. Oh, just let it be. Is that part of the maturation? John jones. I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. You don't care as much put up things that you wanted to put out like five six years ago. Yeah. Peaking away. You wanna put out? This is who you are taking early. I sure hope so I hope so you feel comfortable with who you are. I do come to my skin. Yeah. I do. I do you feel comfortable with how the people perceive you. The way people perceive, but part of me surrender to it. And just realize that it comes with the territory of being one of the all time leads sport. You know, like you like I mean, people say things like, and I'm not seeing that I'm in the same categories Jesus because I'm not even close even cheeses crew security. Chris crucified criticize rescue. So as like, you know, you look at guys like LeBron James who just build a school for young people. And he's still hated by many people look at you know, I I realize if you are in your sport. And if you are I mean. I mean, if you're an elite sports people are going to find things to pick at you for. I mean Dame Cormie Dana cronies a standup guy. Right. He has a lot of things. Right. And he people tell me all the time. How much they hate him. I just don't get it. Right. So there's something that comes with when you have a certain amount of greatness where you'll never quite beloved by everybody, and you have to be comfortable in that space. It takes a while to accept that. Right. It does it takes awhile except that. But you gotta learn to be grateful for it too. Because you're relevant, right? And you're not relevant, man. People don't give which way you go. What you're part of, you know, then that's that's that's that's when you really doing bad. So you know, when when I come out with things people wanna talk about it, and some, you know, half the audience a positive half negative. I'm just grateful to have one hundred percent of the audience. Right. They're not indifferent. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. When they're in different. They don't give a crap. Then then that's a real problem. Yeah. That's when your paper, your numbers, terrible, and and t shirts and sell in. And you know, so you feel like the game has missed you. I feel I. I feel like the game has missed me. But I also feel like they've had some athletes really keep them occupied kinda McGregor being the main guy guys. Then a great job of carrying the sport almost by himself for a while. Yeah. Have you missed the game? I missed the game tremendously. I appreciate the game more now that I have had it. Yeah. For sure a lot. What was there ever point? You thought you wouldn't get the game back that you wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. You know facing that for your suspension, and I it was that was devastating. I had to really reevaluate a lot of things like what I think about the sport. And what I think about, you know, fighting overseas, or who am I out side of the sport. And all that was it was it was a major learning experience for me to go through what I just got out of would you have waited like if you would have gone for where you actually have waited or do you have just moved onto something I would have moved on real probably not to something else. I probably would have talked to the of see about getting out of my contract and trying to fight overseas. Okay. Wow. Yeah. That would have been weird, right? Not really. No. I feel like. I feel like a lot of organisms would be happy to have me. They pay me pretty well. Okay. Not the money that I make in the UFC. But I felt like you know, wherever I would move. I'd be one of the top priorities in that company and be treated well. But you wanted to move on from the sport. No, not move on from the sport. Or no do this. You know, it's there's not many things you can do to make a million dollars in one night. Right. Over a million dollars a night, you know, and I'm very aware that so I wouldn't have moved on from fighting. Now, this is a very special job to have it reminds if what we saw Saturday, and I know you said that you won't respond to Chuck anymore. Oh, yeah. But is there a lesson there? You know, I just asked your old friend Alastair over him. He was just on old. For instance, you've been around for around. He had a big win on Saturday. I dunno if you saw that. Yes. But just about like as a fighter for you to Alyssa. Yeah. Happy for you. As though when you when you watch that. Yeah. Putting aside like the whatever beef that you guys had I never really viewed it as a beef. I don't know about you know, trucks, staying relevant, right? But is that we like is that a reminder that you stay around too long. It doesn't matter. How good you are in your prime. Oftens in ends like that. Right best elite delete ended that way. Right. I mean, I mean the idea scenarios go out more like Floyd Mayweather extremely successful. And undefeated doesn't happen often. That's what makes us such a special thing. That's something that I said I'm trying to do I consider myself undefeated. So that's the idea is to go out not needing the sport. But doing it because you wanna be there. Not because you have to be there. I'm not saying, that's Chuck situation. But that's what I would assume. Right, and yeah, it's tough to watch. Man. It's tough to watch. I'm sure it was bittersweet. I fans I'm sure it's great to see him walk out. Again. You know, what the blue shorts the mullet or whatever the Moja mohawk. Yeah. And I'm sure they love to see him. But who wants to see him in that form, you know? So the key is protect yourself at all time. Fight smart. You know, obviously, the standing banking thing is entertaining. But you know, I'm in the business of. Win where you can you know? And if that's take down the guy and right amount, or whatever you gotta do win when you can and go out go out with some respect, you know, in your mind. Do you have an end point? Give an age where you say like, I don't wanna keep going after this. I feel unsatisfied, you know, like, I feel like I've accomplished so much in the sport. But I feel like some of my troubles have made me just unsatisfied. Right. Unfortunately, people don't separate the two very well. So a lot of people do, but some people don't some, you know, I have I've had extraordinary extraordinarily beautiful career inside of the gun outside. Yeah. It's gone. It's been very rocky as of late, and because of the as of late part, I feel like I have more to prove. Okay. So I'm gonna continue to go in there until I can get just a few solid good years out of the way of no controversy and just kicking. And only that that's that's my goal. So in a way has this almost extended your career it has it's safe to say it has. Yeah. My my originally I was talking about being retired by age thirty. Wow. And now, I'm thirty one. And and I feel like I have a lot to prove still does it ever. Like, I don't know if you're the type of sit back and think about the past. But does it bum. You out like I could be. So like that Beatrice Johnson streak. I would smash the hag, right? Have been mine. Yeah. Could have been mine. Those things a lot. I do. But I try to awesome said count age that hasn't hatched. You know what I mean? It's like, then a white says who knows how how many titles John would Pat if he hasn't been hadn't been suspended, you know, how many more millions will make. But who knows what what what else could have happened? Who knows of I would have gotten a fight that would've seriously hurt me or injury or loss or you just never know what would have happened. So I. I just tried to count hasn't hatched people's talked to what if right, of course, especially since I came to this company. They love you here at ESPN because of the way you fight because of the style what you came into the sport the youngest champion and everything like that. And I always hear from people. You know, what thirty for thirty years. Right. Yeah. The documentary series. John Jones that's gonna be it. Can't you can't do it now 'cause your career is still going on? But because of everything that you've been through are you worried that as you just said like some of those things that have happened recently. That's gonna be the first thing people talk about he was so great. But but but and maybe if you go through a streak of ten years with nothing you can push that to the the back burner, and it's not at the first sentence time. I'm awhile boy area thirty. Thirty one forty one. Well, anything crazy crazy. So can't guarantee it I like to but nothing's guaranteed. What's your question? Exactly. I'm say, well, I I'm just curious. If you're worried that this will be the first line of your story, right? No. I'm not worried about it. I'm aware that it probably will for a long time. You're at peace with that. I'm at peace with that. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, I when I signed up to get into the UFC it was to be able to afford diapers and to make sure my family's good. And make sure that you know, my branch in my family tree is different than the routes that I'm from. And and that's what I've been able to accomplish. And that's what I truly signed up for man. And then along the way I you know, I started wanting to be this guy for everybody else. And and I I've kind of gotten back to not really worrying about being something for everybody else and focusing on my own salvation, my own my health my own mental. And his spiritual well-being and what being my daughter's fiance. That's that's what I've learned that. It's true most important. And so I tend not to not to really worry about things that out of my control these folks on. Winning fights taking care of my management taking care of my team the things that I can control. And then all the rest is just. Yeah. He's got to got to go with it. I recall being newer than that, you'd be cho- gun and our call you holding court at that press conference at telling us about the story earlier in the morning, how're you took down the mugger and all that. And they were called talking to Dana white even use the clip in the promo for last year's Cormie fight where he's like now comes the serious part for for John Jones where all the leeches are gonna come. And you know is he gonna make the right decisions? If you could talk to that guy back in March of two thousand eleven about what's to come about certain decisions to bake would you like to do? So. And if so what would you say to him? Yeah. I don't I don't really know. If I like to talk to that guy. I feel like things a life are all necessary. A lot of things are necessary. Obviously I've made mistakes but mistakes teach you what you don't wanna be what you don't want to do what you don't want to be a part of, you know, really proud of myself. I like I made a lot of good lot of good decisions. And a lot of a lot of Buddha. Made a lot of good changes in my life. Yeah. I don't know what I would say, it's it's the younger John Jones. Honestly, I have I have a lot of things that that's happened in my life that I regret. But but but they've shaped me into the guy that I am today. And I'm really proud of the person that an today my kids really look up to me a lot. They really Meyer me provided for been a really great, father and. My family's happy and my actual close friends like knowing someone's name knowing people are completely different. You know, very close friends. I'm a great friends with them all and I'm proud about myself. Could I ask what your biggest regret? My biggest regret out of everything. Like is there one I've ever talked about public things that that you know, general public would know about it was in the pregnant woman in that hit and run car accident about four years ago. Now that was even though it was four years ago. Man, I it it is something everyone has a mother everyone has a wife or sister. And that was that was one of the worst situations. I've been a part of man, you know, had no clue that was pregnant woman. No a woman. I just know that it was I felt like it was a Fender bender type of thing. And I would say it wasn't finished building. But I I wasn't hurt. I felt fine. And and I assume that the person I hit wasn't wasn't her as well. And you know, hairline fracture in the women's arm. She was a pregnant woman, and it was a terrible terrible situation. Being a father of daughters and Vienna. Flee on say, you know, being Fresno loves his mother dearly. You Herman a woman is terrible. That's something that that's probably one of the few things that I that. I would totally take back. It's good. It's interesting that you you mentioned that one because some stuff having before. But I feel like that was the beginning of a string of things right? Because I situation that was taken away. And all that. It's amazing. You think about that a lot still? No, I don't think about it at all not not these days, you know, it was like four years ago. Yeah. Hairline fracture for years ago. Grow made almost a million dollars off the situation. I'm sure life's been changed forever. And I'm not making it. Okay. But I mean to be real. I mean, the good life goes on girl's life on healthy. And and. Happen. I'm sure a lot of people. That's even listen. Right. Odds some stupid that. No one knows about inaugural ever know about right? I know that for a fact, so I try not to hold myself at court too often. I remember telling us actually three years ago two weeks ago when I went out Kirke to talk to you. Remember that day we spent together we walked around the park. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was your first interview since the accident, and I actually tweeted out like three years ago the anniversary was like a week ago three years ago. I went out credit talking John's one of the most memorable interviews in my career. You gave us the opportunity to talk to you. I and a lot has happened since then since that interview when you sit here, and you say, I change things I feel like people will go back to that interview. And other interviews, I don't believe him. Right, right. Why should people believe you now? Well. This may sound terrible. But a part of me really don't care if people believe me or not no respect it respect it. Yeah. I think what people don't realize is that even though I've had very controversial career over the last several years. I've really tried my off to to do things. Right. I'm aware that my kids are getting there. And you know, they're friends are having cell phones now, and and my actions, you know, they'll be able to read about one day. And so. I've been trying to do things the right way for a while. Now, I've had missed fortune. I really have. And and when you're me people aren't going to give you benefited out first of all because I'm good. And because I've I've done bad things in the past. But you know, I had had a situation where I took a melon Hansman pill, which I'm sure forty percent men in America have tried at least before out imagine. That's an only pill, and I got fired from work and publicly humiliated and became became somebody who's label to cheater no-one sympathizes for me because I'm multi-millionaire famous athlete. No one wants to sympathize for people like me. But you just gotta just gotta go with it. People have no one who said all that must be freaking terrible for this guy to be going through. How frigging garrison this is this for him and his wife, right? When one sees it from that perspective. So you just gotta realize that it's not a poor me situation. My last situation having what you saw was a teaspoon. Those taking a pension solid thrown into an Olympic size women pool and to be fired from work for a year lose all your endorsements. No one feels sorry for you people say, oh, well, if he he did coke when he was younger. So he must be guilty. It's just like it's just like instead of trying to interests that have having this poor me campaign. I just I just wanted to say. And just just keep getting my man. That's all I can do just keep game line. Are you doing anything differently in this camp to ensure there's no yeah? That's the scariest thing about this situation area. It's like it's like my last camp. I hired a hired a doctor where she had all these degrees. And she was doing my nutrition and supplementation. And I had I had a bigger team around me on that last fight than I've ever had before. Just literally I had a guy just to carry my bag. I had people mine. Attrition. I had guys for every martial arts discipline. I had I hired so many people to to ensure that I'd be damn core me, and I thought we did everything right? And for for literally of you think about the visual of a pinch of salt being thrown into an Olympic size women pool. How can you control? How can you can't control every factor? I mean, there's there's a chance that that your listeners. Are you have possibly has some type of something your body at one point you left that you side of what bust you for difference between me and you decided drug tests, everyday people. I mean, I'm fight. We we're not allowed to have certain sleep medications because you can pop for things that are sleep medications. So. I felt like I was doing things right leading up to the first day of Kwami fight. But I fell short and all I can do is just continue to just try to do things right, man. Just try to do things. Right. Into speed. Even more careful. The thing about being even more careful as you can run into a place where you're starting to become slightly paranoid paranoia. You don't trust people. You don't want anybody bringing food why fix your Cup of coffee. I haven't even had coffee from. I've been doing interviews all day then spent studios all day and every person every secretary has asked me today. Do I want a Cup of coffee before semi interview? I've set not every person 'cause I don't trust people the way I used to. So so am I doing anything differently? I really feel like I've been doing things right for a long time. Last time. I really was when I got in the head around car accident four years ago since then I took a mental enhancement pill like people do all the time. Lots have over. And this last situation. I I can say that I have no clue where it came from. And know that probably sixty percent people want believe me, and I gotta be okay with that. Are you happy that the return fight is against Gus considering your with him? Yes. I am happy with it. Because what I do is. I get to I get to answer multiple questions at once. How is young versity? How's it going to deal with this level of adversity? How is he gonna find office there for the first time, which is the most stupid thing? Right house going to do against somebody who pretty came pretty close to beat them. Right. I love this. Because it takes a lot of Basel. Do what I'm doing to step back out there to put yourself back out there to put yourself out there after you just? Had something extremely devastating happen to you. You know, like to get accused Joyce theorize when you know that you didn't do it and to have everything crashed in front of your eyes, and and to go through that level of depression and sadness and then risk coming back to work and risk eight all passed. We haven't into your again. It's like it takes boss takes a lot of balls. But I'm here for it. I'm here for the challenge. When no-one said it should be hired. I mean, no-one said it's supposed to be easy, right? When we spoke earlier this year, you told me that you checked into a rehab center did because of everything that's going on plus to deal with your mom's passing. Yeah. Yeah. When you're there's more like a trauma center it was trauma rehab. Okay. Was that a hard thing to you know, you have an ego. Right. Yeah. To go in people know who you are. Yeah. Did you feel like that was a blow to Eureka like how are you doing? It wasn't a blow to my ego. I went to a place called the guesthouse Ocala in Ocala, Florida, people consider it one of the best trauma therapy centers. And and the country. There's other celebrities there and stuff like that. And so it wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't a blow to my ego. Because the knew that I wasn't alone with topping about sadness talking about talking about. Addiction talking about trauma, childhood trauma and things that dealt trauma. And it was great, man. It was it was exactly what I need it, man. I I I've had a lot of things go on throughout my life. A lot of good and a lot of bad, and I've never talked about any of it to anybody on a professional level. And it was good. I did a lot of crime and behinds with almost thirty days of crying. Yeah. Crying and praying and talking about just life, and man, I used to think psychiatrists and counselors refer the week. And I realized that it's for everybody. Do I also realize that depression is for everybody, you know, being a guy who's undefeated, you know, multimillionaire, I think I'm gonna put looking guy. Right. I thought that I can never be the type of person that was verily sad and depressed, and and this summer, I truly was severely side and depressed. So I got to learn a lot about the whole thing about depression about trauma about addiction. And and I feel I felt for men. This. I feel weight lifted off my shoulders, and I actually think it's gonna be something. I'd do every summer. Oh every summer. I think I wanna spend thirty to sixty days with just grouping. Now, are you continuing to talk to someone even I was for a while. I was talking to a counselor for awhile Albuquerque. And then when my training camp start at just felt like I was struggling too much. I've seen this guy three times a week. I felt like it was jazz juggling way too much. So I told him that I picked up with him after this fight. Okay. Great. Because you know, my goal is to win the title back and reevaluate how I feel now that everything is back flown in the direction has always been, you know, making sure that that I'm just handle on it. Well, would it be fair to call you sober? Now. Are you sober? I still drink. Okay. Yeah. So much spoke to every once in a while. Okay. Are you at a good place? Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know. I- Poon owes coach you tell your coaches about the drank that I'm done high being not not like not like a crazy crazy amount. You know, some weekends mainly on the weekends. You know, you wanna be sober? Or is that not, you know, it was something that out something I was striving for especially going to rehab this summer. You know, I I was striving for complete sobriety. Yeah. But it wasn't. I'm not ready for it. It's not it's not who I was. And why am in my life and my career, and I'm at a place to be honest with myself, but being in there, definitely matured me a lot, you know, talking about why people drinking and things like that. And what I learned area was a lot of times alcoholism or even person who smokes every day. A lot of times is the reckless related to trauma, trauma or trauma in general. And people don't realize why they're doing certain things, you know. No, it's not it's not normal that drink every weekend or smoke every day. A lot of time. You're masking lotta times, you're masking something, and that's what I learned. So I learned that I was masking things I learned some of the things that I was masking and. And just look at it. Honestly, will you stop leading up to the fight or. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. How's your now? I know. Okay. We haven't gone there. Yeah. I don't know. I I don't know, man. I I like to enjoy myself in to enjoy. So I feel and we just have a couple of minutes left. Here's flying by. Thank you for the time, the greatest robbery and UC histories, you versus Daniel cormier. We've talked about this before. I remember is it arriver all it has to be it when you guys go back and forth. I know you're up to technically, even though California would say, you know, one no contest he acknowledges that it's you know, to for you. He doesn't acknowledge it though. He does I feel like I feel like in some interviews. He'll say like, I've always say it to you guys. He beat me beat me, fair and square. He and then other view interviews. He goes. But did he really beat me? Okay. Because you could be because because you had something in your system. Right. So we can't say that you cheat. It I understood the truth of the matter is depending on who is interviewing with or when it's convenient to him. He can say he can look like he's being a big man in San I'm mature enough to amid John beat me. But then you look and you turn around the next day. He saying. But did he really be? I say which one is going to be a man and say that I beat you. Or you're going to blame it on a pinch of salt being thrown into an Olympic size women pool. Really a pinch of salt is what loud another man to knock you out in front of your family, pincher salt. My question is he says he's retiring in March. I personally don't believe him knowing the competitor that he is that he will be able to walk away without fighting you another time Dana white said recently, he wants to be more fights at I feel like it's inevitable that you too will again. We have to see this. I feel like if I were to happen. It'd be him challenging me at light heavyweight or it would be that you see throwing a ridiculous amount of money. I make it happen heavyweight. Uh-huh. That's that's how it's going to happen. Did you agree with me that it's not done? It is done in your mind. Yeah. It's done man done. Do you saw me unstaged saying, hey, guys? Why are you guys born Daniel? Guys, a hell of a father. He's a hell of a teammate. He's you know, I aspire to be a lot more like this man at that very moment. You were done. I was done man. I was done sitting there crying national TV. I was absolutely. A lot has happened since then he talks a lot of trash what I love it for him to just man up and say God damn guys once and for all on record. This is what happened John Jones. He beat me the first time he'd beat me after cocaine right by unanimous decision in the second time he'd beat me by knockout. Right. And then the hate is gonna say 'cause you do steroids and then rebuttal once again will be a pinch of salt and Olympic size women pool. Fine. Just like when I first came on I want because my arms were long because my brothers were in the NFL, just an athlete. All they always going to be excuses, man. Nobody would never say, hey, this kid's good. And as if that is what it is even I don't like the guy. I don't mean like his personality of blah. But I mean that blame Mellon handsome it. You know, I'm sort of babble on let me it was just what you got you guys bring out the best in each other. But also the worst innocence because it's so personal at times the Instagram post back and forth, and he's posting days. You're posting things. I just I don't believe that he'll be able to walk away. And you see want to see it happen because of the money that you guys generate. Yeah, we do we do the business again. Yeah. But for me, I don't hate them at all people talk to me about constantly. Yeah. Is if as if we're one and one, but I'm too and organs Cormie like I said once I fought him at a disadvantage and won by unanimous decision. What's people's excuse for that? Right. There's no excuse for that. I'm a better fighting the second time I beat them by knockout. And I guess I gave people excuse for that one by having metabolites my system, but in my heart. I know who I am and -ccomplish then got nothing. Prove last thing. How are things that Jackson wink, a lot of drama Grey's days as Donaldson? Cronies what's going on? What is great, man? Every everything is good, man. Everything's good on the team and everything's good on the team injections mixed martial arts. And my opinion is is is when the top three martial arts programs in the world have been foods. I don't know five ten years always in the loop with the greatest teams in the world. The relationship over there will between the coaches and fighters very strong. Very good cowboy Surani had his own situation. And kind of I believe kind of separated itself from the program started developing his own identity is own program his own team his own banner and. And what we saw on this. Last cowboy my parents ration- was was a guy came to the team saw things he conquered things. He's a part of the same. He's always legend of our team. We always represent him. But he was moving. He was moving on. He was developing his own team in the same community. And and I feel like the coaches Nathan do was best for the future of our program. That's that's support young fighters coming here with big dreams to do what they gotta do and take care of their family. Same way, we have other twelve pounds on our team that are in the UFC that I support and that I help and that could possibly challenge me for the title one day. It's part of business as part of what it is as same way that I came into the sport and fought Rashad Evans. Is it just what happened? There's a lot of details and the fight and the situation that a lot of people don't realize and they're so quick to say, oh, well, these guys are not loyal. They're they're leaving their old heads for these new guys. What have loyalty is that who would want to be on that type of team and people don't realize that when I fought which Evans he had far I think about three times outside of the Jackson's camp by the time we actually fought each other we'd enough to fight and then and Cowboys Rony situation. Coach my we'll go John coach against Cowboys running and choosing to work with Mike Perry. You know, Mike with John pays for gigantic building. Right downtown Albuquerque. I don't even know what the rent is to cover the Bill for us to have that building. He has to pay that Bill. So you can't you can't kick out young fighters for guys who. Are almost competitors. At this point. He has a huge gym right in the same community as you can't go doing that. You gotta you gotta protect the longevity in the future of the team. If you would have kicked me out of Jackson made while we're already training at Boca Raton. You would never have me on the team. That's that's provided from our team for years now. So you so you you can't just be throwing away. Young. You never know who some people are going to turn out grow up to be what they're going to bring to this program on. So I support coach John for being with my one hundred percent and everything's good with the team good. Everything's good. Welcome back. Johnny man. What a way to end the year for the USC, the semi twenty-ninth UFC, two thirty two t mobile arena. John Jones for south Guston rematch of the greatest fighting UFC history. You'll see one sixty five five years ago in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, huge pleasure. Huge honor to have you in studio. If you don't mind doing for charity here having all our in-studio guests sign this banner before they leave you mine. What's the charity? Well, we're actually I decided, okay. There's two that we're working on right now. But I think can I say this Jake is it, okay? Okay. The potential someone throw this out on Twitter. And I'd like to give the proceeds whenever we give this away. I'd like to give it to Ray boards family. Oh, you know, he's beautiful. I was gonna make a joke. Instead and tell you that I wasn't saying, oh, I'm a bad person. Ok bad people. Don't do things for Tara. No. But very I'm not gonna joke. Man. He he's he's gonna pull kit and his is his babies have been having a lot of complications and absolutely sign this. I actually reach out by recently. And I was more. I can do he's he's really great, dude. Man. He's great teammate. And I feel bad for what's happening with his baby. He's been through a lot. So we've been having all as you see there's a lot up there. Someone on Twitter said you should give it three times. And I know he has a gofundme account. Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's something about Twitter's will give you guys opportunity to go. Find his go fund me account to this. I know his babies having some serious complications. We all have kids, and you what's that? Nobody then. Cool. Thank you, John. Dan. On December twenty ninth. Thanks. I appreciate you could go where we're still live here. So you sign it. Yes. I know. Right. You don't take. We don't take breaks here. John we go out. It's my sweat pits. Man. You didn't have to say anything no known was gonna acknowledge that. I can see it. I can feel it was it hot under the lights here. John. I take interview. Was this one better? All right. Thanks, the markets are right over there below you see them there. They are Johnny bones. Jones the goat in the building returning December twenty ninth in Las Vegas, picking out the right color. I don't know if you have a goal there. John. Yeah. We need to get that for the next one. Just don't read it over DC's name over there. Oh, my what a moment December twenty ninth theory assigning our billboard. And also we have another title fight on that card. Of course, Amanda Nunez versus Chris cyborg dare I say, they're stared down more intense, and John and gusts earlier this month. I appreciate John. Thank you so much. Don't be a stranger my, man. All right there. They go the team in the house. Appreciate it guys. Thank you so much there. He goes the one and only John j-o-h-n stopping by what a pleasure what an honor to have meant studio, December twenty ninth in Las Vegas. He returns you see two thirty two. Wow. That was fun. Good to talk to Johnny bones returning last time, he fought July of two thousand and seventeen. Of course, Anaheim Daniel Cormie one that night month later got the news from California from you Sada has been out since then and he finally returns after the suspension, the fifteen months spent on December twenty ninth in Las Vegas. Okay. That was a lot of fun. Now, you know that December twenty ninth UFC's final show, you know, that PF L is actually ending the year on December thirty first let us keep the in-studio train rolling along here and say Hello to the president of the professional fighters league one Carlos Silva. How are you? Carlos welcome in-studio tough act to follow Carlos. I don't know if you know this. But John Jones was just sitting in that chair. Please have a seat he's taller than I am. Yes. He's a very tall guy. It's great to have you here Carlo. Appreciate it. If you mind up to the. Microphone over there. Don't be shy. Yeah. How do you feel that? That's a lot better. Well, thank you for coming number thirty first we ended the, you know, it's interesting that you're in-studio right after John Jones Carlos because John Jones is is is a foundational type of fighter. Right. The he's a guy that you build a promotion around urination is in its infancy. I don't even like to consider the World Series of fighting days when talking about you guys like you really had your first year. It's about to end on December thirty first when you see a guy like that, you think like if we could just get one John Jones that changes everything, right? Well, you know, I when I say John Jones walk out, and you see what kind of an athlete is first of all you realize what great athletes Emma may athletes are right because I don't think really the general public understand that. But then you look at what we're doing on December thirty first, and there's going to be six champions six grade out the all gonna get crowned. They're gonna get paid a million dollars each. And I think that foundational product piece changes a sport too. And. You know, it's funny because John sends something on social the other day. We were talking about something, and he jumped and he said, wow. This is amazing. What they're doing a really? We're back in and so yeah. And so people are noticing. I'm glad now John Jones noticing because I think I think the communities noticing so here we are. And you you wanted to come earlier, and I and I mentioned to look let's do it after the playoffs. Come and see I appreciate that. But. But I wanted to get your take, you know. Okay. So we have the finals coming up, but I want to get your take on the entire regular season, the entire playoff be honest. Are you happy with it? I'm sure not every like if I would have talked to you guys started in June, June seventh. Yeah, I talked to June six and said, okay. Everything could go your way. What are your hopes? What your ass brations here? We are November twenty six are you happy with the way the first season has played happier than I thought. Really? Well, look, you know, we came here on June seventh Madison Square Garden, we kicked off the season. Yeah. We said let's start here. And let's end here. And so that's kind of a nice story. We got a regular season. We've got seventy two fighters we've got a regular season that no one's really done fighters. Have to fight twice. They get points. What are the points all about? No one really knows what the points are all about right? I can tell you honestly era when we had our fighter meetings, and we explained all this to the fighters when they came to our media day back in February. They were processing it to you know, I'm amazed been around for twenty five years now. We were putting something new in place. So, you know, we're fighting you, and I are fighting you get a finished. You get a win points for your win. You got a couple extra points for your second round finish its new once those first fights happen here at the garden, and then in Chicago, and then in DC, you could see everybody starting to realize. Oh my God. I lost. I got zero points I want and I got a first round knockout. I got six points. I'm gonna make I'm gonna make the playoffs, and they would start you could start to see that sort of like you see in every sport in football tapping right now as we get into, you know, week ten that where we twelve that we're in now in the NFL season. You know, the teams are starting to sorta strategize you could see the fighters doing that in the regular season. Right. So I think that went probably better than we thought we had a few injuries the rules that we sat up on alternates in the way that would work all played out. We got through our second round of the regular season. It laid out, you know, bipolar wants one versus eight two versus seven and we threw them into this. March madness style playoff quarterfinals semifinals right again. We sort of had to do a reset remember telling the team regular season went better than we thought. It all worked out that none of that matters anymore right now in the playoffs. Right. Completely new situation. Fighters are going to fight twice in the same night quarterfinals two rounds. Right. They'll rest come back thirty minutes light or semi final three rounds. Although we had done some of this in our past. And there's been a lot of tournament formats, but we hadn't done it at PF L was the first time. And and I tell you it all held up couple of guys couldn't get through a couple quote lucky losers. Made it in guys, you know, hurt a hand in the quarterfinals even though Yabu boxers. And example, of that, you know, we want hurt his hand he couldn't continue. And and so both John got to you know, slot in and go through to semifinals. I think though semifinal fights where the tents they were strategic. All of these guys are trying to think about how how do I get into that finals? At Madison Square Garden and try and win a million dollars and change my life, and you could see all of those gyrations happening every fight in the cage, and we came out of these playoffs. The third night of the playoffs in Washington DC. We've got our six finalists yet and a great special of that with. And I think I think we've made it a lot of people weren't sure all of us weren't sure we laid it all out. We did our homework we sort of tried to look at every corner case and covered, and and all those things sort of played out. And now, we've got six great fights championship fights to win a million dollars and become PF L world champions. And so I think the format is held up. And I think some some some stars have emerged guys. Like Ray Cooper. I mean, you know, we've all seen right Cooper over the years and he came out in the regular season. And you know, he started had a couple of tough fights. He fought Jake shells, Jake taken down what he wrap them up. And you know, his power is speed. And you guys have emerge. Any maga- less is like I mean where? Have you know, we've seen Venny fed? He looks great these incredible moves. Yeah. He's a BJ world champion. But yeah, I didn't really know how is gonna play out. And again, I think he's focused and clear on what he wants to which is went about and win a million dollars. So I think I think the format has become a star. And now these stars are going to merge as we get to the championship night. So yeah, very happy with the way, it's gone anything. You wish you could have done differently or will you differently in the future? I agree with everything you just said, it has gone, and I will admit I too had my doubts, and I think it's really worked out better. There's a few things that I I would suggest changing, but rather hear from you. Well, look, I think I think if you look on if you look on social, and even if you talk to the fighters when we left the regular season we came to the playoffs and that fighter meeting we reminded all of our fighters at in the quarterfinals. It's only two rounds. And in two rounds? There could be a draw because there's only two rounds. So the fighter that wins the first round if there's a draw will then advance to the semi finals. Yeah. There's a lot of like arms went up, and they're like, why are you doing that? It was like, well, we looked at a lot of different ways to advance the fighter into the semi's. And that's what we came up with working with Ray working with the fighter team that was the role. Everyone knew the rule so fighters had to come out and win that first round. I think we'll look at that rule next year. I think certainly if you won the first round you're happy with the role. Right. If you fought a great second round and felt like maybe the momento the fight was going your way you probably didn't like that rule. And so I think that would be something that we would look at is. How do you? How do we deal with the, you know, the two round quarter finals you have to have two rounds as we went to the states that allowed our playoff feature of fight twice in winter. Ice. You can only fight five rounds in one night five rounds the equivalent of a championship nights, those real rhyme or reason for why it's too in the quarters and three in the semi snow pay. But we still have to make sure that in that to round fight that the best fighter advances. So I think as any league will go back and look at how it all worked out once we get through this championship. And we'll we'll make a few tweaks, you know, you look at NASCAR they tweak their playoff format of, you know, going from ten drivers to twelve to sixteen they've advanced and baseball has added another wild card over the last ten years, etc. Etc. So I think we'll look at each of those things and try to prove it. I'm happy that. That's when I was going to bring up. Yeah. So much respect. I'm just curious. And you probably looked into this way more than I have because you're dealing with the Commission's. Can you do maybe three three minute rounds? So that it's an odd number, but it equals out to twelve minutes. Or so, you know what? I mean. It's a great question. I think the reason we. Went the way we went to rounds three rounds because it fell within a rule set that the cash had approved commission say you can fight five rounds in one night. What what some commissions haven't yet told us that you can fight to separate fights in those five rounds? But now that we've done this in California. And Andy foster was great. We've done it in Washington DC. And and yeah, we went down to Louisiana, then there's a number of other states that have already approved us. And now that we've done it this year, then even more states will prove it next year. That will be a question that a commission might ask us as well as that we might allow it this way, and that could make a change, you know, in nineteen or twenty house the business, you know, Thursday night's typically you're on right selling tickets gates things of that nature. How did it go? Look, I think the stadiums were full to your point. We started June seventh. Yeah. So the PF owls, really only six months old. It's just going to be six months old. So I think like any new league new sports league we have to continue to build the awareness build it in the local markets luck. I think the good news about our format winning can sometimes be difficult. Depending on markets. And so you want to have local fighters markets. You know, we see it doesn't matter. You know, what Emma may organization is throwing a fight if they're going to Canada, they're going to New York if they're going to Seattle they're try to bring in that local flavor. We don't have that quite that advantage because the regular season plays out and the venues are set. And so I think those are things that we're going to try and dial in to help the business to get more people sell more tickets bring in those arenas. But I think the way we approached it as we've been in five thousand person arenas, and it's really a made for TV product, it's free on television. No, pay per view. And so from that sort of intimate sort of boutique feeling being in a five thousand person arena, really every seat is great. You know, we're going to be here at the Hulu theater Madison Square Garden. I know you've been there a million times, and there's you can sit anywhere in that arena. And feel like you're you're up close and personal with the fighters and really getting to see the action. So we'll continue to build that in the. Raina, but really build it on on television as well. I feel like you're format is perfect for the Vinnie. Mega issues of the world. The the the Ray Cooper's of the world the Jake shields as the world, meaning guys who either aren't stars yet or trying to maybe, you know, turn back the clock or get one last shot at glory. Have you found it difficult because I know you've talked to some free agents some notable names to convince them to go through the ringer of the regular season in the playoffs. You need some big names. Right. It'd be nice to have some big names recognizable names to attach your company towards hit your wagging on or whatever the term is. Have you found it difficult to convince them to join when when they're used to fight? Once I get a big pot of money as opposed to go through this whole process to get the big pot. I I don't think there's that many big pots of money first of all. So you know, if you take the five fighters that are sort of dipping their hands into the big pots of money. There's you know, thirty other great fighters that aren't always getting tapped into that million dollar purse. So I can tell you every single conversation always comes back to and and I could win a million dollars the other piece. That's really interesting all I have no problem fighting in tournament style playoff format. I like that. I did that when I was growing up. I, you know in wrestling or I did this in judo or even boxing. And so that hasn't been an issue at all. And I think we've already seen it now that we've come out of the playoffs point. And I think maybe like you we waited on some of those conversations because we wanted also show all of those top fighters that regular season. And and the champ and the playoffs really worked that's happened now. So we just continue to get more and more. And I tell you when the million dollar checks are. Over the heads of these fighters, and they get their belt. It's just going to continue in terms of those phone calls. There's no doubt about it. And to be clear, if I'm Sean O'Connell, for example. And I went on December thirty first I'm walking away with a million dollars. No strings attached. That's right. In addition to whatever my purses for that night. Right. Or is that? No, no. So the way the way the playoffs work. Yeah. Is is really the way the playoffs work is you really get paid when you exit the tournament exit because you lost in the quarterfinal semifinals the runner up or exit because you're the winner. Okay. So the way that the structure worked as fifty thousand if you lost in the quarterfinals one hundred thousand if you lost in the semifinals two hundred thousand if you're the runner up and a million dollars. If you're the winner, that's the same across all of the all of the way classes, but if I want in the quarters or semi like if I'm Finney Maga. Yes. You're kind of that. I get paid anything for the playoffs yet or have I not received getting your you're getting your paycheck. When you when you become. Runner up or you become the what if I get injured in training. There's there's a stipend that was paid out. So that they didn't feel like they went home. Yeah. Handed out into quarters in the semi's in one night. And then the balance will be paid on on fight night to them and equal million dollars. Equal two hundred thousand dollars. Hope it doesn't happen, obviously. But what if someone does get injured in training? What is the the backup plan for? So we have alternates across all six and the alternates are the highest ranked fighter that lost in the semifinals. Okay. They will come to Madison Square Garden on December thirty first and make wait. Oh, wow. And they will be ready to fight there and camps now. And if something happens they will then slot in not unlike what happened in the quarters in the semi's where a couple guys fell out those other fighters had to be ready. The same will be true of the championship night. If they weigh in. But don't fight. Do they still get paid? They do. Okay. They get to. Okay, they've done their hard work. They've got to come and be the alternate. And so they will get paid to calm and show up and make wait. Absolutely. Here's the the question. In that. I'm most interested in house, the TV situation going where are we going to be in two thousand nineteen? Yeah. It's a great question. I can tell you that everything that we're talking about has create a lot of buzz. Okay. You know, we've got we've had great partners in in NBC and Facebook Facebook new this year NBC's been with us for six years and excited to continue that into the championship. And I think in the next couple of weeks as we get to that championship. We'll be announcing our twenty nineteen and twenty twenty partnership. I don't happen before the champion shadow. Really? We're happy to talk more about it and share it. And I. Think I think we're very close. Can you give us any hints? I can't give you any. Are you happy? I I am how close are you happy with very how could be very happy. I think I think the PF owls cannot continue to grow. And I think both here in the US and international. You're gonna see us grow more. Okay. Are you guys gonna put on events internationally or not gonna stay in the states? We're probably in nineteen going to be here in the states. And then we'll look to twenty twenty international, but certainly were turning up our distribution in the rest of the world as well on the international front excited about that. How many events in twenty nineteen on eleven events in twenty nine thousand how many did you have this here? Ted of that's ten. What's the the one extra one? Oh, I'm sorry. I apologize. Ted Ted events in in two thousand nineteen as well. Okay. Same way classes while we're adding a female white climb twenty two the same one. To the same ones that you had this year. Correct. Okay. Are you bringing I I worry that it might be redundant? If you just bring back the same eight guys, right or more than guys, right? Seventy seventy two started the season. Yeah. But freeze way class, right? Like twelve twelve per Waclaw. Yeah. Are you just going to be the same guys? So so the way it works again sort of looking at all the different sports formats, if you made the semi finals you get to keep your tour card your seat. So have you made it to the semi finals you're in the twenty nine season, then we would go down and look at the quarterfinal s and then certainly look at the top fighters from the regular season. We'll go from twenty four fighters that'll be in based on being semi-finalists to fifty fighters sort of metal of December. And then back to our seventy two fighters by the middle of January. And then outs our roster on February first. Okay. Wow. You guys got it all planned out. You know, you gotta if you if you have a season you have a league, you gotta you gotta hit your marks. And I think it's something that the fighters. Yeah. Appreciate it. Because they understood how they had to get ready and when they had to get ready. When is the first event of twenty nineteen also first week of June. It's gonna be a little bit earlier one of the other things going back to your question of of what would you look at to fix for next year? Is we got a little tight on our season this year, and we probably coulda used another week to ten days in between fights for the fighters. And so next year we're going along gate that by two weeks. So we're going to start in may the regular season go from may to August. And that way, we'll give a little more breathing room to the fighters to be able to rest if they've got any suspensions due to some stitches or cut they got those extra, you know, ten days twelve days to rest in between their fights, which will make a difference. Still going to be on Thursdays. Still going to be on Thursdays. Yeah. I think Thursdays worked out. Well for Thursday's. Yeah. I I liked it a lot. I thought it gave us something to talk about. It was, you know, wanna watch great Thursday night. PF L action MMA. You can do that. So we're gonna continue on Thursday night. And you're almost guaranteeing. No competition. No other events happening that night. Always run into a collision with you know with a baseball or a NASCAR. But yeah, right now from the front it's usually Friday Saturdays or Sundays. So there's really no there's nothing to go up against curious considering your now, fully entrenched in all of this. Did you watch the golden boy event on Saturday? I I watched one fight of the gold. Okay. Let me guess which one. What did you make of the product? And do you think that they are serious about staying in the business, or do you think this is going to be a one off? Yeah. I I don't know. I don't know how to answer that felt a little bit. Like it was a one off. Certainly. Yeah. The main event probably just makes me feel that way. I thought. Yeah. I thought that was a good event luck. I know Chuck, well, I don't know. Tito. I don't know the build up was there that you really wanted. It didn't really feel like there was the kind of buzz that maybe everybody wanted. But yeah, it's still chocolate Alan Tita RT's, and those are two big names. And I thought that came out, and you know, I watched the press conference afterwards. And I thought chocolates, very honest. He's like luck. You know, I came out. I thought I felt good out there, and I got caught got caught. And then I got hurt and lost fight. But let forty eight years old. I thought he got in the cage thought he looked great on. Tito was clearly ready. So it was a good good fight for both of them. Did they approach you guys about being a part of this about doing the fight under your banner, we did talk? We took out Chuck is work for us in the past. And so we know them, well, we talked a little bit. But I think just the entire format really wasn't the type of thing that you know, we were looking for. We were launching, you know, this whole format with the regular season, the play-offs just didn't really fit. But yeah, we certainly wish chock and Tito. Well, it seemed like good fight. Everyone seem healthy at the end of the fight which. Alright important to any concern that there's just too much of a may on TV that there's over saturation. Not really. No, not really. I'm concerned, are you? Yes. Very why? There's too much. There's just too much baseball yet. But there's a break distance makes the heart grow fonder, come January, February I'm like, man. I haven't seen a baseball game in three or four months. I missed this. There's never a break in mate. There's a break in PF L. There is a break in. It's all right. But it's a great point. And you're right. I mean like a couple of other sports have that problem too. I mean, certainly the tennis guys would say the same. Yeah. They don't have a break. They come out of December and go into the Australian Open the same issue. So so you're right. There may be that, you know, sort of cadence every week that you do start to get a little bit numb. And we think that's why the format of regular season through a championship works because they'll be six guys that are champions. And then next year. We'll you know, we'll have a female division two champion. And then the kind of go back and regroup and figure out what they gotta do for the next season and go again, and maybe that will to your point make the heart grow fonder to come back and see maybe how someone defense because certainly defending PF L belt's gonna be interesting to get through a second regular season playoffs and championship. Speaking of females unanimously that you are going to do a one fifty five pound women's tournament next year. Of course, the fate. I think the face of the organization right now is Kayla Harrison. And that's a very good face to have she's nominal as far as fighting. On the Mike etcetera. But you've done a great job with some other guys in particular, Ray Cooper said he'd be number two. I don't know if I can name. I don't know if there are eight hundred fifty five pound females in the world right now. Why did you choose one fifty five and not one forty five where you know, very famous that you have is having trouble fielding eight fighters right now. It's a great question. And there's definitely eight one fifty five's in the is going to be eight or twelve B. We're we're still finalizing either. Or okay, we've talked about both and we're still finalizing it. There's there's definitely twelve. There's probably sixteen. Okay. Ray back in back in Vegas already. Got a nice list going. Okay. I think you know, we looked at we looked at Cala who's clearly the centerpiece of that division. No doubt about it. With her time to gold medalists and our two wins in MMA. Right. And we sort of looked at. Brill helping understand sort of weight cutting and sort of the dangers around way cutting and trying to really put a division together that the women could concentrate on fighting and not just concentrate on making weight, and so we felt like for this first year at one fifty five was the way to go. No one's been at one fifty five. Certainly if you you know, if you talked to Brittany who fought Kayla in her first fight Britney Alcan's. I mean, she tells stories about cutting her hair off at times to try and make that last third of a pound of weight because she had to cut so much weight to get there. And she's you know, she's a she's a tall woman. And and so we looked at the the white rate, and we thought one fifty five was away to go and Kayla was happy with it all the other all the other ladies that we've talked to seem happy with it. And they're gonna be able to concentrate on fighting are you guys going to be aggressive and signing some big names in this off season to try to get you know, I know. Oh you spoke to Cup Swanson. I know there was some conversations with Eddie Alvarez. Will you try to go out and get some recognizable names? Who are also depends on you know, if anyone's available, right, but that's something part of the business plan already part of the business in in process. And yeah, luckily, Kaban Kaban at ear are great examples. You know, had nice dinners with them and spend time with them. And maybe the timing wasn't right. Maybe we were still figuring out the format as we got into twenty eighteen, but I think that less kind of continues to grow and change every day, as you know, free agency kind of comes and goes, you know, sometimes we learn about it on social media. Sometimes we learn about it because someone's on a plane flying over to Singapore or someplace else, and and and you see those things, but that that is that's at the top of our less. I think you will say I mean, that's really why we left the format the way it is. We only have twenty four guys that are locked right? And so they're still forty eight plus the female that we're looking for for next year. And I think there's a lot of opportunity both with the great roster. We've got but certainly to bring in some some big names semi talking to sage north cut. I means that sage was on a plane to sing in first class. Right. Social, okay talks. Talks talks at the moment. Okay. Great. So December thirty first it's it's New Year's Eve in New York City this time, by the way, you guys are going like almost up against midnight as opposed to last time you were a little earlier in the day. Yeah. Last time we was at Saturday afternoon number thirty first back in two thousand sixteen when we were here they were four to six on that was twenty sixteen twenty that crazy two years have gone by. Seven to eleven it's a Monday night. Right. And so you're going to basically bring in the new year with with six PF L world champions. What what is it like trying to sell tickets in New York City that close to midnight and supposed to time square so far so good? Okay. The nice thing about about the Hulu theaters. You've got this the train station right there. So if you wanna get out get out of the city at eleven o'clock when the show ends, you can and certainly if you wanna walk across the street, there's no shortage of of bars restaurants that you could bring in the new year. So so far so good rapid with it. If there is one thing, what is one thing that you want people to know about PF L as you head into the finals, and as you head into twenty nineteen with so many organizations out there trying to create your own identity, and I think you guys have created your own identity, which is half the battle. Right. You don't wanna just that was always my problem with WF never felt like you had an identity. It was just like what are these fights mean your fights? All means something so kudos because I was skeptical. Right kudos. What do you want people to know about the organization? I think you summed it up great. We want to know that if you win you advance. And it doesn't matter whether you can talk more talk last bigger personality, smaller personality, what you do in the cage matters. And if you win there's nothing I can do there's nothing you can do. There's nothing Ray can do if you win you advance. And if you eventually when you become the champion, and that's what sports all about. And that is what sport it doesn't matter. If you get that final out if you make that final touchdown pass. If you get that final knockout, you become a world champion. And and I think that true sport format is really at the core of what we're trying to do with this regular season playoffs and championship. And and so far feels really good. Thanks for coming in. I appreciate it. So December thirty first who theater PF L finals? I believe it's PF L Levin, if I'm not mistaken is that the the number of the event PF L championships EFL championships there, it is six title fights, plus Kayla Harrison and. All airs on NBC. That's right that I get it. You got it. Appreciate it. Carlos. Thank you so much. There is Carlos Silva, the president of the PF L their final vent coming up on December thirty first in New York City, the famed Hulu theater, which if you don't know the Hulu theater is the Madison Square Garden theater, so that is very famous venue. They have been there before and they will be I do believe the final event of twenty eighteen the final event of two thousand eighteen if you consider I know rise in is going on. But they're having an event. I mean, they're the they'll be tech. Mytalk Reisen is twenty is what am I saying? Can someone help me out Jake? If Reisen is December thirty first Japan, technically, they'll be more of. So then I don't think there's anyone that kid actually be passed PF L right because we're in the eastern time zone. Even if someone is putting on an event in the Pacific time zone. Even there could be someone in Hawaii putting on event. But I would I would be surprised. So I'm gonna say the final event of twenty eight. All right. And if anyone wants to argue that with me or prove me wrong than please prove me wrong. But I think they are final team. I really do anyway. Okay. Wow. Back to back in studio guests that was a lot of fun. Thank you very much. Carlos silva. Good luck to them on December thirty first I will have my own announcement. But I'm not gonna make it right now. Because takes telling me to slow my roll over there, but I will have my own. And so stay tuned for that. And of course, thank you very much to Mr John Jones and his squad for stopping by. All right. Let us continue. With the program. And let's go back to Beijing. One of the big stories this past weekend in Beijing was the return Louis smoker out of the USC. This year was on a four fight losing streak was released from the company went out one three times outside of the company. Then got a fight on short notice in Beijing one hundred thirty five pounds and not only did he win. He wanted a submission. And he looked phenomenal back to his old self. Remember when he started his you have see run looked very good. I believe he started five and one had some big wins over the likes of Patty hula, Haniel call in in Dublin that that short notice main event if you will well he has back. He's with a new team. He's living in a new state. A lot has changed for the last samurai. Let us talk to him right now on the magic escape about it. All he joins us right now. Thank you very much for joining us. Louise, how are you? Congratulations on the win. It's up. How's it going? It's good to talk to you. Wow. You know? It's funny. I've had a few conversations like this today. And gone new over him. Now yourself on the same card all of you needed. Big winds all of you on losing streaks. Yours was much publicized you left the company. You've had some big wins before was that the biggest of your career considering everything that you've been through this year. That was now is a big on dollars up there. It's just like I've been through a lot like with leaving with you know, like with with drinking and stuff. And honestly if I win that probably would have been it. You know, just been like all right. You're done like, this is gonna work, you know. So they told you or you just had a feeling that you had to win in order to stick around. I was pretty sure I'd have to win like I I was fairly certain of that. Okay. And would you have gone back to the the regional scene, or did you think that your career was was on the line on Saturday? I don't know if my career was, but it I I don't know. I could've maybe went to some other companies. But it just it would've been a big process every building again and stuff, and I really have the funds for the like two early. Honestly, the time or the patience to put my family through that again like that probably would have been it. For those that remember the early portion of your UC career you left five and five, but you started five and one. And then as I said, you one of the four five losing streak what happened what went wrong like honestly, like I just I don't know at what point that it happened. But I started pretty Adrienne king and stuff, and somehow my motivation kind of changed from. It wasn't about. I'm trying to be the best martial arts. You can be trying to beat the best fighter. You can be. It was like about how much can I drink and get away and still win. How much can I get away with drinking like still make weight? Like that. Was that became my goal somehow? I don't I'm not really sure why that happened. But like, yeah. Were you were you always a big drinker? I liked it. I liked it. It was fun. It was like I dunno. I good time. But yeah, I I like drinking I like having partying. But maybe as a kid I'm a little too hyped up for that. You know, how might need to wait a little while and girl up before I can start doing that. Again. Did you feel as though the more you lost the more you drink? Yeah. Yeah. At a point. Yeah. Kind of morphed into that. It was like about like, I don't know. It's she's an excuse. Okay. Like like, let's say it's a seven day week. How many days out of the week where you drinking? I was pretty much blackout like six days a week. Wow. Blackout. Yeah. Even while you're in training camp yet. Wow. And so two weeks out. And then like that was the point where I need to stop to late. Okay. Did you ever drink the day of your fights or the day before your I never got to that point? I was never that ballsy. Okay. Did your team know that you are doing this? And I got yelled out a lot. But like I mean, those like my friends from child, and they like built my style like they can y'all all they want. But I'm like, I am I really gonna listen, you know, right? What was your wife saying did she know? Yeah. She kinda got mad at me. And eventually it was like mostly her decision. Like always done fighting like before moving up to California and stuff. Like, I was done over it. I want to do anything anymore. Just like I'm get regular job. I'm done and she didn't want that for me. She didn't want me to to kind of go out like that. I guess and so she on she she. No, I'd be happy like living like that. And I was gonna go, but she convinced me come up here like of spot to take. It was like no you're gonna go up. You're gonna stay with Jason. And we're going to try to fix you Colin city can try to help you out, you know. And so they sent me up here. And kinda just like I lived the lifestyle with them like the fighting lifestyle, and like how would go to the gym everyday like with the team like with Alex and everybody and. Would work every day. And like, yeah, I just I don't know. What's stop drinking? These weird. I kind of realized how about I messed up, and when you say that you were done. What would you have done it like like like post fighting what job would you have done? I don't know. I kinda wanted to play with computers that was about like Oscar playing counter strike a lot at the time. And I was like yeah message computers. That's easy. Okay. You're a gamer. Yeah. Maybe I could play video games. Could like I don't know Donna done like a government job or something. I don't know. Was this after you were released that you felt this way? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of building to that point a little bit. Like, I was your size pretty late. I wasn't the most focused. Okay. And you went three no outside of the USC. All those all those fights were you training out of California. Where where you're with. Yeah. I won with team all ready to team on that. I did one back home. I'll I want home till I prepare to move all my stuff up here. Okay, california. Like, I'd to go home have a place after right, outback home. I had like I go get my family and move them up here with me and like that will process took like two or three months. So I decided that I needed a fight. You know, I need to stay active. So I took a fight down there back home with a with all my training partners that my teammates since stuff like aggressee techniques Hoy lead. What was it like fighting on the regional seen after being, you know, you're part of some big events in the UFC, some some big pay per views the show in Dublin, for example, did feel like a blow to your ego. How did you handle that? It was different. It was kind of weird like knock going through the fight weeks and stuff not having everything handled. Like like, Wayne's. We're gonna chill and stuff like not. Everything's bigger the production. I kinda forgot how that was. But like I mean, even when I was in like peac see that was still like a pretty big show. You know, I've done a lot of time with them and. Home. Yeah. It was just it was it was strange. I'm not gonna lie. It was kinda crazy. It was it was strange. But I mean, you know, all the promotions are great six was actually a pretty good on six was like not bad at all. They they were pretty put together even destiny back home. Like, it was it's it's different not having to be flown somewhere. You know, not having a fight given to you. But like for the most part, it was it was fun. All right. And then did you think in the back of your mind? Okay. I went to I went three I'm going to get back into you've see like what was that the goal or you're just trying to hook up with any major promotion. The goal was to win two and comeback back. I think that was like original thing that always told. So it's like. Sean or Mick or Danai camera who who who was and then I want going there like all right? We got on short notice, but it was still taking a little while. So we did a third fight kind of because I need the money and stuff, you know. So we went to see excess and yeah. It was on like getting kind of like the end of my wrote, dude. I was I would have probably went anywhere. Honestly, I always just like freaking out, you know, really run out of money pretty much. Yeah. Like I needed like I needed cash like now. Wow. So when you got the call, what was your reaction? Oh, I was so happy, dude. It was so much weight off my chest. Because the whole time you're just you're wondering if it's gonna work out if you just gonna like run out of time, you know, and always just always such a weight off my chest. Like, I kinda wanted to cry. But at the same time uh, this is late notice get your fit to get get your medical school. Like, so I didn't really have time for that. You know, there's kind of like, oh, thank you. Okay. What's the first aired on the do how many days notice was it in the end? It was like six days before we flew out, and like fourteen total or maybe last week twelve and how many more days did you have until you like really ran out of cash. I hadn't. Yes. Okay. And what would you have done if they didn't call you probably would have to go back home and just trying to figure stuff out? I don't you me as a bed overseas ING, so like we'll probably have to use that to square everything away. And then scolding jobs. Okay, man. Wow. What timing who called you? Jason your manager. Jason how. Yeah. Jason Jason told me he was like broke guess what he called Younis phone actually because I was doing something. I didn't actually I was in the bathroom or something. And I didn't have my phone. So he he he called us like four times in like in like a minute. Oh, something's happened. Like something something biggest happening right now. You may being your wife. You means your wife, right? Yeah. Yeah. My wife Yumi of so he called her and she answered and we're like talking the coma. God we did it. We're good. Thank you. Just so happens. Thank you. God. Thank you to whoever. You know? Thank you to just the universe added. Oh, what was it like being, you know, back in the fight week? And as you mentioned, there's a lot of perks to being in the UFC the way, they treat you, and you know, the kids and the transportation all that stuff just going through it again. But after being away this time, what was it like for you? It was a lot, you know, Ali so thankful to be back. Oh, it was just so happy. I was like all NAN and somehow in a way kinda late. I was like I felt like I was background supposed to be like everybody was like so nice to me supportive. So I was pretty happy. I remembered everybody in on this like the same crew from like from the evil have fight and stuff, you know, across pretty much same guys and stuff and is that international crew. And yeah, like happy to see them. Everybody's healthy, you know. And if and I felt like I never left, but like I was just so happy to be back. Beautiful submission beautiful win. You said you didn't, you know, give yourself a chance to to cry. When you got the call 'cause you had to work, but it did seem like you've got quite emotional after the win. Yeah. Like, I don't wanna be crying on camera vulgar on camera that Dana went from from like to twenty nine or whatever was no to nineteen out. No. But anyway, yeah, it was just it was just happy happy to be back. But I don't wanna be like carrying up on can't get it together. Louis, but I was just so happy like all thank God. I'm not done. You know, like, my I still have like I still have some micro left. Like, I can still kinda make this work. Now, it seems as though you're old division. One. Twenty five is. Maybe coming to an end, though, they haven't officially said that are you gonna stay at one thirty five or are you comfortable staying at one thirty five. I'll probably stay at thirty five. Honestly, I'm getting a little too big time make the weight anymore. When I did my last one five flight for Shiites f- like a couple of weeks ago. I did the cut pretty perfect out of full camp. You know, I drank my water like I was nice in light forty five like the entire time. And I got down to the last the last like one one point two pounds took around like an hour and a half. Like, I started I dried up, and I was only sweating on my wrist like it was it was bad. I mean, you could argue I've heard all the series. You can do the salt bath you can do like sauna, jacuzzi, whatever. But the fact is is that last couple pounds is getting really hard to come off. No matter how go about like I can do these little tricks, but it's getting really hard to take off. So I think I think the move up to thirty five is right. What do you make of the decision to get rid of twenty five? I don't know. It's it's a strange decision. I mean, I don't know are they actually even doing that. Or they bring in new people like, I don't really know. But it's a strange decision. I think I mean, they had some great guys there. But at the same time if the pay is better like because it's all about money now as we all talk and. Well, like, I it will see relocating them to a different market will get everyone paid more than is it almost kind of worth it. You know, what do you mean? Like putting them in a different promotion. Yeah. Like all the guys relocating to like the Asian market like 'cause that's probably like, let's probably scooping up all the twenty five Asia. It's gonna be risen earth gonna be one most likely, right? And then having the credentials of being UFC fight will allow them to get paid more there. And like like, you know, get like more respect guests, and like get on beggar sponsors, or whatever it might be will allow them to to get paid more than it might be worth it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see they have come out and said it, but it does seem like the writing on the wall. Here's the biggest question though. Are you still drinking, no? Nothing. I'm not thinking since January like second. No sorry. The second week of January third. Okay. And you just won't catch. Yeah. Yeah. I I haven't drank. I mean, I don't drink anymore. Like, I give it up. I drank once when I was up here. And you mean, my fiancee, she stopped talking to me. Oh, and like she didn't talk to two weeks. And then so like us kind of freak it out. And so I told her I was like all right. I'm done drinking England, I'll drink anymore. And so she didn't talk to two weeks to see if Parrella and that while living house or do you live together right now we lived together at the time. I was staying at the team or a fighter house. She sent me up. Here originally like in January by myself to see if I could still do this, you know, give give team on trial run. And so while I was doing that. I drank once and she stopped talking to me for a little bit and select adopt point. I just got I just want quote teric. Not drink anymore. So that was the final the final in that coffin. So to speak. Yes. Okay. Wow. When you guys getting married. We don't know yet. We still dude I'm a weird business now. I know I don't know. I don't wanna cloud a wedding too. I don't. Yes, I understand that. She's got the the rain. So I mean, it's it's good for right now. You know, we can't we can't worry about that one. When I'm done man, you posted a video of your daughter on Instagram saying that he missed you and stuff that was incredible. Wow. Dow was kind of like a while is getting emotional on after the fight because I saw that on that warning when we were at breakfast, and I was like almost crying eating breakfast carrying up. You know, all but then I was thinking about kinda wanted to cry. But then I was thinking about that whole I dunno on. There's one of the top lives where the dude is crying outside. Everybody's like this is not the right head this about the right frame of mind to be and I'd be really worried right now. Okay. I don't wanna be that guy. Just over your crying on my corners like dude with go. Hang on his dad. Listen as a proud Cryer myself. There's nothing wrong with it. All right. So next time, you wanna cry just let it out although it turned out well for your tired. So maybe whatever you did was right. Yeah. I mean, just try to suppress it. Right. Like, I don't have a problem bidding, I cry sometimes. We have the stressful jobs in the world emotional this a motion roller coaster to say the least. Yes, I agree. You can cry whenever you want. I'm happy for you. Louise, congratulations on the win. Welcome back. Great moment. Great fight great performance. And and looking forward to what you're gonna do. Now at one thirty five in the UFC. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for coming on. Uber have area on. It's it's good to be on hand found like tell what happened. Yeah. I appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon. All the best you and your family. Thank you. All right. There is the last samurai Lewis smoke returning in a big way on Saturday Saturday morning in Beijing, China he opened the show, and what a great story, and I appreciate him being so honest with with everything that he's been through drinking getting released from the he started his career. In in very fine form like I said, he won five of his first six fights with impressive wins over Neil Serey, Patty whole hen Ben win. And then. Lost four in a row Brennan, marina del Ray board. Tim Elliott Mateusz Nicolaou. One three fights outside of the USC took this fight on short, notice and. Now. He's back funny at one thirty five congratulations to him. All right. Let's move along to our next guest. As I said top the show big story this weekend. Of course, golden boy MMA Tito Ortiz. Chuck, Adele, three Tito knocking out Chuck in the first round should Chuck fight. Again. Should he not should Tito fight again? Should he not should golden boy remained in the business? Should they not? I believe that. The biggest winner on Saturday wasn't golden boy wasn't teed Ortiz. Wasn't anyone involved in the main event wasn't any of the promoters? I do believe wholeheartedly that the biggest winner on Saturday night was the young man named Doron win who fought in the co main event who defeated filthy, Tom Lawlor VN and Mississippi who fought very impressively won a one-sided dominant victory. And yes, he went the distance for the first time in his career. But I thought that this was the. Biggest winner because he was fighting on the biggest stage of his career televise audience. Everyone was talking about Chuck and Tito, but you had to watch the Coleman event to get to the main event. And I thought he sees the moment he's a protege of one Daniel Cormet. He trains out of the American kickboxing academy. He's a decorated wrestler, and now he is well on his way. And in my opinion, one of the more intriguing free agents out there in the world of mixed martial arts. So let's say Hello now for the very first time on this program to Doron win who is joining us via the magic Skype, the Ron how are you? My man we had them, and then we lost them. Okay. We'll go back to I think he was in his car there. All right. We're going to get back to the Ron here in a second. But yes, very big win for drawing after that passionate intro. We'll get back here in a second. But yes, he did defeat filthy, Tom Lawlor unanimous decision. First time he's gone past the first round prior to that he had won four in a row own first round via TKO or KO had fought for bell tour Belcher one ninety nine back in may. And I've talked to DC about him in the past. I've talked to other people at K about him in the past. And they were all glowing about him going into this fight. Now that there there was a clear size advantage for Tom Lawlor going into this fight the Ron win as you may have seen is listed at five eight. I don't even know if that's accurate at this juncture. But that's what they list them as any probably shouldn't be fighting at two five maybe one eighty five probably even wants seventy you can maybe even make a case for one fifty five. That's how. That's how much smaller. He wasn't Tom Lawlor on Saturday. But it didn't matter. He looks and fights like a young DC. And he's not the youngest. You know, he's not the out there. He's twenty nine years old. But I believe started at thirty one. So he fights him. He even talks like him. If you saw the post fight interview. And I really truly believe as though we can scrutinize the main event all we want. We talk about the main event we can talk about if it should have happened or not if it was a sham or not gonna boy should remain in the world or not. But I feel he was the biggest winner because not a lot of people knew who he was knowing really. I mean, there was some nice performances earlier on, but I feel he stood out the most because he had the corner wasn't technically in his corner. I think he didn't have the proper paperwork, but you saw him there in the in the front row chairing on what nineties coming out of AK got a lot of guys supporting him. And I thought that he really sees the moment with with a win over Tom Lawlor who had not fought in two years. The last time Tom lov fought, I believe. Was UFC one ninety six which was the the ninety s kind of a one card, of course, he had his issues with you Sada. So it had been a while. And yet he had his issues. Oh, man. Okay. Jake telling me was that on the air or off the air. Oh, he's telling me that loops. Yes. Okay. Bob Ross saying can you Skype call him because he's next up apparently his phone died. What did they byu Doron win his phone that you saw there for a second? Right. His phone died just as he was about to make his debut. Well done we have you have is info or do you need it? All right. All right. Cool. Violent Bob Ross tweeted me is that is that a real thing. Let's see if I find it. He tweeted me. Oh, my dear. You know, you could've just texted me. Louise, we're text friends. You know that right? That's a classic. We've had a lot of memorable debuts on this program. We've never had someone's phone die right before. The interview started Doron win. Way to make a memorable appear debut on this show. Well done. I'm so sorry for I just got back and on the way that we just landed can't day and on the way back the person's car like we have to wonder car target wherever and it was like on my phone, bro. Wow. This would happen. It's all good. Well, I appreciate pain for hooking it up. What a good friend. Boy, congratulations Doron what a big performance. What a big opportunity for you. I said, I don't know if you heard it I feel like you're the biggest winner on Saturday, even bigger than Tito, even bigger than golden boy because you were fighting the Komen everyone was waiting for the main event, you seize the moment, there's a lot of buzz surrounding your team's Dana cornea you being approach of his, and I think you really came out with flying colors. Do you agree with all that? Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, man. I I knew it was my my it was gonna be like my coming out party. You know, this is definitely the most exposure I was ever going to get. And I knew I had like you said he's the moment row. So, you know, I I'm ready. I I can Pete at a high level for a long time wrestling. So I wasn't like like, you know, do the same as the moment. Don't at the moment. He's you. You know, I knew what I had to do that you perform that night. And you know, like trying to steal the show. So I just went out there. I trust in my. Training. I trust my camp. I trusted, you know, everybody's fourteen and stuff like that. And with with being able to do that man, it it allows me to go out there and just just let them fly. You know, you've competed in big stages in wrestling, never an MA, quite like this. What was it like few forum? Tito, Chuck delahoya, all that stuff. What was it? Like, it was a name, bro. I, you know, I didn't know like right before we are about to walk out. You know, I like made myself look at the crowd, and like before I like, Dr the cave, and they might the crowd I like cooked brash. And I think I've wrestled in find that many people, but but obviously I'd never fought. And so much different. It's so much different feeling because the worst thing that could happen. You wrestling tender something, you know. Everybody. So it was actually I love it. I love being able to do something like that. I might tire life ever since. I was a kid wrestling state final that being in the spotlight. It's like I love that. I always come. I always come to play. When when when I got the spotlight on the show. I knew I was going to be ready, bro. I I knew I knew that what what happened Saturday night was gonna happen. Honestly thought I was gonna finish him. But but he's a man. Are you mad that you didn't continue your your streak? Officiant fights in the first round. Because I do I hit him hard a couple of times in the first round two. And that's the biggest thing that I I knew I had to stay patient. And 'cause I know I had the power in my box is actually pretty decent at this point in my career. And I knew pay and type connect on him early. I thought just from NBN it's so many wars and stuff like that that maybe I put him away. But it was good for me. And especially now, we can big promotion or something like that. Now, I had experience that I went to a war with what's better in guy who's been in the cage with a lot of really good guys. You know? No. This was good for me. It was probably better that I that. I didn't put him away that I that. I had three five, you know. How tall are you there on? Honestly. Yes. Honestly, I I'm honestly like five five five five. Wow. Okay. What is apple has you listed as five eight? But I'm not buying that. No. I'm like five five eighty five six. Hughes on. Okay. What are you doing funding to five? I I I'm saying like I walked around my two hundred twenty five pounds. Wow. My tire life, and I always like wrestled at higher way. Like when I wrestled on international circuit, I wrestled ninety seven kilos and. Russia. The biggest is. Monsters throughout the world. And so I I've always been big, and I'm like real thick all throughout so. Yeah. I I just I always in big, bro. Okay. So what's the ideal way class for you? Because I can't imagine as you continue to progress in your career, you feel like if you get to the UFC or built to five probably isn't the ideal way class, right? We're going to go down. But like at this point in my career. It's so hard for. That we were when we were trying to find a fight for full card that we we were just like we'll take the fight at whatever at one eighty five to five whoever will fight me. 'cause I literally like I won't say any names for like there was some really like high high level guys turned me down. And so it just says say their names Durant don't be shy put them on blast. Protecting them. They didn't want to give you an opportunity. Why are you protecting them? I had like a couple of previous like bell tower world champions, like Emanuel news brain halls. He dies. I think brand hall. He was actually gonna sign the contract if law they're getting, but like some high level guys man, I cannot find a fight or anything. So. Yeah. Eventually I'm going to get down to one eighty five for sure hundred push it. I I'm there, and obviously, you know in an ideal world, I could go down to one seventy. But I just don't know how that's gonna work. So I figured in a lot of people think it's in my leg, but stuff like that. You know? Yeah. And I'll be dying kid going down and stuff like that. But I, you know, I've always just, you know, performed big like, so I'm very comfortable there, and you know, obviously palm a small to fiber. But you know, like DC bro for Kane. I four you know, I saw Rockwall that's far all these guys. So I. I think that the thing that helped me out a lot at one eighty five is with you know, Tom kinda showed it is. I think that a lot of eighty five won't be able to wish them my house. I think I'll put a lot of people away with that. And then to fibers and obviously in the top ten the world, you know, this big, bro. I trust. I one hundred percents. You're not playing tennis to apply and I do plan on dropping. I saw that a lot of people were kind of social media like no way to five and don't worry. We don't plan on. We just wanted to get a fight. And the funny thing is who am I to tell you that you should be moving down. 'cause 'cause the guy you train with DC has made a career at a fighting guys bigger than everyone telling him that he's too big that he should be losing weight and things are working out just fine for him. So do you continue to do your thing? I was just curious if that was in the cards for you now, you fought in may for bell, tore you seem to be the prototypical bell or fighter you train that aka you've got Bob cook their Dwayne, zinc and managing you. You're arrested. You're the you're the prototypical, Scott Coker fighter. How did they not scoop you up or did they try and you said, no, no, they didn't try, you know, I think we just signed a one fight contract. And we don't we didn't know we're gonna get you know, what I mean. And. Come in leading forward. We we just didn't know what we're gonna do yet. So and then golden boy thank came up. And we knew about this golden boy thing in summer, bro. You know, what I mean like I got like real real real early news. So we kind of knew that this was going to come into play. And then after this fight now, it really are out there and try to sign my, you know, maybe three or four five contact somebody not out of the question at all. But we just want. Sure. Which route we wanted to go yet. Okay. I think that was my size, and I suppose and stuff like that and died he showcase for any my rhythm. I take down powerful people up slam them stuff like that. I think that you know, I'll be crowd favorite. So we think that made it you'll she would be a good good a good avenue for me because because the fan base, you know, I think that I think a lot of people like how I fight and that that help make it mine for myself, but you know. You know officer on cable right now. So. Over time. I was actually just talking to about thirty minutes ago about what we're gonna do. And he's helping you right? He's helping your cutter. He's my brother. That's my boy. It's my best friend, basically Fru. We I I think caught him on the phone like ten times a day like all talk on the phone like like, I'll be going to the gym or I'll be going to like ref and practice. He's there and he will on the phone and talk get there. He's ridiculous, bro. I'm like one of the first fighters he actually manages as well. Still be out with Bob, and I feel about Bobby Wayne bathroom as well. But but he handles a lot of that stuff the me too. And you and you coach the Gilroy high school wrestling team with him as well. Right. Yes. Yeah. And the kids club. Wow. I practice in my two hours. I gotta go kids kids club tonight. And okay. So do you feel like the days of searching for a fight on the regency? And that's over with now that you've proven your point that your next fight will be for a major promotion as part of a long-term deal. Yeah. I feel it's pretty self explanatory. I think that I showed that I can compete with with virtually anybody. And I'm only going to get better grow so excited for the future. And yeah. I think that within the next week or so all all get an offer someone probably jump on it. And are you still going to compete in wrestling? Don't you have aspirin to do that next year? No, well, I wrestle. I'm I leave Wednesday for Isla. And I'm wrestling in this new they Hupa fashionable Dc. It's called the American wrestling. And I'm wrestling Friday. I'm wrestling champion. Mike my Valia on Friday night. It'd be like another fight night. You know what I mean? But if you know it it's an avenue for a wrestler like guys like time, you want the team and and walking and stuff like that guy make more money. So I'm asking. Yeah. I I'm a playing Wednesday on wrestling complete on Friday night. But but what about tournaments and things of that nature? Like, if you sign a deal with UFC can't imagine them wanting or allowing you to do that. Yeah. I probably won't grow in all honesty. I was thinking about it. This could be my last match ever a what? But as my ad. I like my career started. I just was it was so much downtime. I came from a background in painting always competing, you know, and everything was so slow because when I knew down here after trials into that. I had to start learning all these skills had a box kick out to all that stuff too so much downtime that I had I gotta get I gotta say Acas. So I would just keep jumping back into tournaments. And then there's some new way classes stuff like that. That can and you know, produce opportunities for just like just saying Friday night. Yeah. So I jumped on and I I'm actually thrilled to do it again on Friday nights. But yeah, it's definitely coming to an end. So I I kinda fishery retired after that team. But like I said, I'm just a competitor always have been. So I wanted to jump back in there. If I can't make a little extra money right now, you know. We had teed Ortiz on earlier in the show. And he said that he wants to continue goal, the boy, a may not as a fighter, but he wants to be a part of the promotion, he thinks that there's you know, there there's something there after what happened Saturday, the success of the show in his words and golden boys interested have they talked to you about wanting to keep you around. I haven't talked to anybody. Okay. In your mind. Do you think that does any chance? I mean, I think it would be dumb for not right? I think being kind of that that Trump is. Started the golden boy in a but I be that. I could be the stakes for them. Why not you know what I mean? But like, I mean shit. I I often like one time. You know? I'm not like there's a lot of people listening. But it's like, I'm not like, I'm not talking to anything. But if you didn't talk one time just one time, I talked about the pressure on. That's it. Probably didn't come to. What's up for the fight after fight nothing, bro? So it's just kinda like whatever. Like all. Right. You know, he I mean that that oppressor was embarrassing. And he didn't know what he was saying there. Yeah. No for sure, bro. I mean it did. And I'll tell you when he came up to me right before the first started, the only time, we we spoke at fall, and I can't look over at my intact. Make sure who I what man. He didn't know who I you know, what I mean. So as I I, you know, I don't know how you know other people deal with rations, and, you know, I wouldn't whatever I know. I've always been today. I know that my parents are going to speak for themselves. And so I don't need this brand knows me or nothing like that. I knew I was gonna go up before. And he was going to have to love me know. So so I'm not at all, and they took care of me, and it was an awesome week. And and I think it would agree to that. And I'm very happy with with how I. How the most part how I was treated. So. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if they're going to pursue me or not. But I think they'd be done. Not to do you care that people like I felt when when you're on the Mike you sounded like DC, and I could see young DC when you're like, did you do you mind? Those comparisons. Are you okay? With that. I'm okay with it. I really am. I wanted to try to get away from me 'cause I wanna be my own dies. I wanna be my own. You know, my own, you know, right? I wanna I I wanna be my own guy. You know, like, of course, my my name is not going to be many. What it's going to be definitely I couldn't allow that. Anyway, get their relationship, and he would never. But no, I like it man because in reality virtually everything I know and his game right now. And I feel like if I can mimic him, you know, at least extent, I'm gonna go along a long way. So I'm okay with it. She's my voice, I love that. He and he takes care of that. He's known for his, you know, his speeches. He's he's he's a great captain. Did he say anything to you in the locker room before you guys went out to fight? Video him talking to me, right work. We walked out there. He hadn't he hadn't gone either. Stick video it was like an inch or so I'll send it to you areas. But it he talking to me, and he's like, he's I kinda like, you know, explain to me, you know, how this guy, you know, you wanna like, you know, white guy wanted, and and you just. You just, you know, pumping the pro, and it was awesome. Yeah. Like, you know, when I was on the mic and stuff, you know, it's like pot me how to have to play the game too. You know? So I know I can't just be a fighter I have to be businessman entertainer as well. So as to, you know, just not only just the way paired speed you. I what I was gonna say I need to weeks ago. What I was gonna say, you know, what I mean? Yeah. After when I got on the mic, so so it helps a lot and I would be remiss before I let you go. I don't give a shout out to violent Bob Roz, who's kind enough to give you a his phone for this interview. In fact, he he he just tweeted me somehow unless he has a computer within that he needs his phone back. But it does seem like you two very close that he's a nice a nice teammate and a wing man if you will. We're roommate really didn't know that. I didn't know remains. Okay. Cain live as well. Right outside of San Jose the guards gang. All right. Well, they're on like, I said, I thought you stole the show. My man, I thought you were the big story coming out of Saturday know that may sound crazy considering Chuck Adele fault. But you said are on Tuesday that everyone was going to be talking about you afterwards to me, you're the biggest takeaway from that event. And if I'm a promotion trying to find some young blood some guys to really build up and be foundational pieces. You're one of those names that I'm coming after. So congratulations to you. I hope you get a big deal now. And I'm looking forward to seeing your career progress from here. Thank man. It was absolutely. Show real hopefully, we can get back on you're seeing man. Absolutely. Next time. Just make sure your phone is charged right? No. Talk to you soon. Congrats again there is Iran win big win on Saturday. Not so big on Monday with his phone being not charged. But I'll good thank you very much. Louise, pres- AK violent Bob Ross for making that happen. I I feel like I always have to say aka violent Bob Ross every time I say Louis pres- because I feel people don't know that Louise presence volume Bob Ross I feel like like if I say, I'm gonna have Louis president show show be who found Bob Ross. Oh, yeah. Love that guy with the hair moving down to one forty five as crazy as that sounds considering how big is. So thank you to him for donating his phone for this interview. Golden boy may I show in the books. They have another. We shall see. Apparently, we're not gonna have Frank Muir on the show today. He got sick and is incommunicado. So maybe another time it always gets me a little rod up with someone asks to be on the show, and then doesn't show up. Does it happen often? But that's the case this time around. And I will leave it at that other things to say before we go Anderson Silva's fighting Israel at a Sonya. Wow. In February you've see to thirty four in Melbourne. What do we think about that fight? We'll talk about it on the post show a lot of different hot takes on that one. Some people of it. Some people hate it. I feel like that one was coming mile away. I feel like we all predicted that one. But it is a thing. Anderson Silva versus Israel to Sonya in Melbourne big spot for Israel, of course, midway title. Also on the line that night Robert Whittaker defending against Kelvin gasoline. Brandon VERA victorious after a long lay-off chaining his one heavyweight title Gaiger new saucy is coming back on that dual event night. January twenty six in Anaheim is UFC two thirty three. They haven't officially announced a lot of the fights for that one. But that's the one that we expect TV shoppers. Henry pseudo to be on and in LA at the forum where golden boy was they're having their own card fade Oregon's baiter, but also gear Masasi gets fell junior. How about that? And this weekend is nuts. I don't know if we've ever had to UFC cards and two Bellcore cards on the same weekend. That's insane. Tough Anneli, and I'm proud to say that I've not seen a second of Fedor. So anything good happen? Please. Don't tell me because I don't want any spoilers, but the main event is legit RDA versus Kamara who's been is the main event, that's the tough Anneli on Friday in Vegas. And then Saturday in Adelaide is a really good fight night card tight. We've us against junior does Santos love that main event. Very important fight at heavyweight Mark hunt against Justin Willis, probably Mark hunts last you have fight Tyson Pedro against shogun hooah Tony Martin against Jake Matthews. Nice card so that Saturday night Sunday morning in in Australia. So back to back rare. You'll see doesn't do it often. But they always do it around this time with tough Nellie on Friday last year fuel call. They had the tough Nellie for the female flyweights. And then you have see. See to eighteen in Detroit. This time the pay per view the following week in Toronto. But they're doing back the back bell tour also doing back to back Bill to our to ten on Friday in fact Ville and then to eleven in Italy Chidi and Giovanni against John Salter. And I gotta say as has been noted, but other people the prelims might actually be better for this card, then the main card names like Lahat Brian Moore. Chris Honeycutt jailed Harris veteran. Anthony Ruiz Sean bunch Joe Warren. Mike Shipman, Joe schilling which he MO Chee Daniel vital all those guys are putting on the prelims. This might be the best prelims in Bill to our history. And I know that sounds a little funny. But typically the Bill to our prelims are, you know, a lot of local guys regional guys couple prospects here and there it's not usually like that. And then built to eleven on a Saturday via tape delay. Unfortunately from Italy. So there's a lot going on. Plus, there's case w my colleague off and Ella Faye on Friday. There's just a lot happening this weekend. So next week will be back to talk about all that. And on the post show. We'll talk about some of the things when New York Rick and whatnot. So if you're just finishing up the show and want to listen to that if you're watching us live, they'll be up later this evening, actually, the post show is always up, by the way, like seconds after we're done on all the audio platforms. I tunes Stitcher. ESPN app is dot com. Cetera and in the videos usually up late Monday night. Stay tuned for that. If you're watching life, if you're not there's probably up already. Okay, got it. Jake. Do you think funday in the books? A memorable one having John Jones here in studio. I remember. We can reminisce a little bit about this. When you're on the post show, but the last time John Jones in studio seven years ago. I do believe was the last show that I ever did without New York. Rick. If you don't know I'm talking about I'll explain on the post show, that's a little tease for you. That's what we call it in the TV business or in the online TV business or the digital business. We'll check the Dell retire should he retire? In the end, my friends it's up to him. He has to sit down with his family. He has to decide for himself. But I could make one prediction for you. I can't predict whether or not he will ever fight again. Or if you'll retire all make this prediction, and I'm sure that they're going to be many more Chuck adele's. They're going to be many more fighters who are going to stick around too long. We're going to end their careers like that we're going to continue to play it and make us feel uncomfortable. Make us forget about the good times and make us focus on the bad times. It's just going to happen over and over again. That's the fight game. Unfortunately that is the fight game. And we just have to come to terms with there's nothing we could do we could say what we want to happen. But it's up to him and his family. That's unfortunate nature of the FIFA game. Appreciate you watching. Thanks to all of you back next week. Say title Plato say.

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UF249: Jon Jones In-Studio, Dana White Calls In, and a UFC Beijing Recap

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

1:37:06 hr | 1 year ago

UF249: Jon Jones In-Studio, Dana White Calls In, and a UFC Beijing Recap

"All right weird episode of UFC, unfiltered, weird in a good way. Matt Nyerere here. Of course, we are joined by the great John Jones in studio, and then matinee wrap up, and I left and Matt left. We're supposed to have Dana white, but Dana schedules all fucked up. And then what happens is we leave Dane is available. So I run back Matt's on a train. I talked today. So we're going to insert Dana right after John Jones. And then you're going to hear the rest with me, and Matt but don't think that Dana didn't wanna talk to Matt Matt was taken a shit. That's not what happened. Charles are sitting chase in that. This is you have see on filtered. And now your hosts Jim Norton and mad, Sarah. Finally, we're in the same room value. Jimmy, I know it's been about a month since Matt and I have been together. And we're starting with a room full of people I walk up, and we John was coming into the we headed rumored, but a lot of times guests cancel last minute. So I didn't have my hopes up until I saw you outside. I'm like, wow. You actually hear before matter may so welcome to the show. John, thanks for having me. John jones. Let me just put out applause button. We need a better applause. We doing a real tepid little happy the best one we have zero falls but for Conor McGregor. Maybe we'll some louder. Now, this kinda get I give him the slow the slow Longo, especially. So much longer. I've been known for over twenty years getting my nerves little I given the Longo clap. It's like a slow clap. Like, you're not doing good at a comedy club. It's gonna get that one. You're right. We'll happy you back in the you have seen it. I mean, not that you ever gone, but it's happy that we have a fight coming up, and you missed I mean for a while Connor was not fighting. Rhonda's gone. I mean, there was no superstars for for the USA felt the same way. Yeah. I'm super super grip. Would we back more grateful to have my job than ever before? And. Yeah, man, I'm gonna do my best to do something with it, man. Try to hang onto this. Can you talk about what just tell us? What happened? I mean. We don't know. Exactly what happened in one minute. You were fighting the next minute. You weren't what was it? Oh, you know, basically, do you side of found some substance that ends up in your body? And I guess it's not even a steroid. It's it's like something that comes up and your body for for people who has taken steroids or whatever. But anyways, there's there's this substance in me that was a super small amount of it inside of my body and super small amount of my body, and I pretty much had to be. Suspended until they figured out. What was going on with me? And didn't they they say that who'd been crazy few to take it because it was like right before the competition. So why would you have done it? If it was on purpose because you wouldn't have done anything. Anyway. Yeah. What we were able to figure out was that, you know, it got into my body somewhere. Around two to three weeks before the fight. And and we're also going to figure out that it came into my body orally, and we were able to figure out that whatever it was. It was what they said was it was like taking a pension salt and throwing it into an Olympic sized swimming pool. They they say you saw to set themselves such a small amount of your body, John. There's no way possibly that this infect you and negatively or positively it was probably something that was tainted. I mean, obviously every bit of trouble got into his happened early understand problem after problem. Dr. Nasty man. I am a disgusting individual. But I do understand trouble that comes in that. So what finally happened with? They said, okay. We understand we believe you pretty much. We we they had me do a whole bunch of a whole bunch of stuff to just like kind of proven. And at the end of the whole situation. They say, you know, John, this is, you know, we've we're the same company with Lance Armstrong. You know, the Russian wrestling team GIO Cova marrying Jones, you know, we've tested all highest level athletes and their real deal company. And they're basically they don't pull strings favors. I've heard all types of weird shit. They don't do that for anybody. They basically said you are scientists were able to tell that this was a total mistake. No one's no one's taken role steroids. Two weeks before an event look into get better as a fighter and no one's taken at this amount. This is such a small amount. This is this is obviously. Some kind of contaminated supplement whatever in which we were never able to figure out where it came from. But they said it's such a small amount, John we're not in a business of ruin people's careers. We're just that's not why we're here. Looking for cheaters trying to ruin people's did you think your career might be over at that pollute? How long were you facing suspensions? Oh, I was facing for your suspension. And and it was terrible. It was terrible shitty. Scary time in my life for depressing. Yeah. Truly depressing actually had to go to council in the summer. I was so depressed and so miserable. So sad. So you thinking like what's going to happen with the rest of my life? Yeah. Man. Well, like like, if I had done steroids, and I got caught then I'd take a like a man, and I say fucking I got caught and let me go and fight in Russia somewhere somewhere where everyone's doing it. And I was just handle that way. I was just been a man about it. But I was truly devastated because I I've never taken steroids. And and now, you know, they'll be labeled. I can stay ready to use their possible be out for four years. And I really can't handle. It was terrible. What was the first light at the end of the tunnel. You saw it. You would. Okay. Maybe I'll be okay late at the tunnel on the first what was the first thing that kinda give you hope that you'll be able to come back and find a lot sooner. What gave me hope? Everything just kinda started unfolding for me with all that once you know, they just pretty much was saying like at a big meeting. I had a big meeting with one of the heads of your side like one of one of the presence and the guy pretty much. He told me John. I'm the person who said across the table from Lonzo as I know when people lie to me, you know, I think he said that he he was like he had been worked for the FBI or something for years or something like that DA for years or something like that is like I've I've lying to me. And we sat and we talked for two hours straight. And he's like do I believe that that this is between my science that? I have in my lab and what you're saying. It makes no sense for you to do this at this time. All right before you're believe you and. I just had just having someone at your side to say, I believe you not let's figure out how this happened way. This from that, I think that was the first glimpse of any type of light for me. Now, part of the reason why you were so depressed was I mean does the suspension which truly sucks, but it really just you you stop DC, that's DC's such a fucking stud everything he's pulling off lately and everything's done in his career. And you stop them and that head kick and everything and it just tainted is that what her that this shit? And that's a big one. Just to be de than decrepit after so many years of sacrifice. It really hurts. You know, just and I and I'm not one to I'm not wanting to be I'm not sitting here. Trying to get a poor me train going like, oh poor John this book, blah, because I I understand that for the most part most people won't believe me. And that's something I'm gonna have to live with the rest of my life. And it's fine with me at this point. But I don't think many people put themselves in my shoes. And what it must feel like if I was innocent. What it must feel like to go through something like that. It was truly it was truly fucking devastating. Did you guys like junior dos Santos and a couple of the guys had? I think they found the place where they were actually the supplements were Brazilian compounding factory or whatever it is. And they were all kind of exonerated. Well, they got a fucking Brazilian compound factory. They deserve to be suspended. If they're going to be the smartest gets them supplements live in Brazil. I'm sorry about that. But I just think that you know, they got to be a little bit more. Careful. All right. My just for the record by coaches Brazilian. Go save Mets. The only one in this room that won't die. Attacking Brazilians Hensel. I just had a nice conversation before and he explained to me 'cause miss the hanzel Gracie has the shirts called off photo C and this and that and he's always hashtag info photo, see everywhere. So I I'm sorry anymore. Roberto Alan Colmes Bertha fuck, ma'am, SARS Gracie. Bah fucking. That's where I train them when I was in Brazil. All right. Let me get back on track. So I see me I used to Enzo kind of text me back. He's all over the world. Fuck this photo C mean, you know, would you know, of course, but Utah. Okay. How would I know? So he explained it to me come on over here for a second. 'cause he's playing to the world. What this means? The head while the it who cares. You know? What have you come on who cares for the for the? That's the photos. Are you going to judge me fold us? Buck. You is it vulgar. Oh, it is a curse. So so so you're kind of like you're kind of feeling like all right? This is tainted and that hurts that people might think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man. Yeah. It was devastating to be de-legitimize. Let's say as a fighter we put our lives on the line. We put our bodies. I mean, our brain cells. You know, we put it all on the line. And and and to have been doing this for ten years and all the miles and all the pushups and shit and for people to say, oh will he that's how he wanted? That's how he's been winning. I it really sucks. It really says. But, you know, people are going to always believe what they wanna believe you honestly, want to convince yourself that master minded, Nevada State Athletic commission for this long. And and you saw view honestly believe that's the business. And then when you're stupid, you've you've had a couple of look, you know, you're young guy, and you're one of the biggest athletes in the world, and you had your mishaps which a lot of guys do do you feel like now, you're thirty one you kind of put. A lot of that behind. You got a lot of the wild shit done. Now, it's eight or nine more great years of fight. Yeah. Honestly, honestly, Jimmy I've been pretty chilled out for a while. Now people a lot of people know me from the sport where they really don't know me a lot very few people really know much about who actually outside of people that hang out at Jackson may or management team. Most people in the sport, really don't know me. And and the truth of the matter is I've been pretty chilled for a long time now used to when I used to travel I used to Clinton not could not wait to go to a bar to the strip club and just be out on the scene. And now do when I go to Vegas. You never see me out. I don't I haven't been out in so long. I I chill nowadays. I I've had some misfortunes man to to take a dick Bill into end up suspended from work and being accused of a cheater who expect shit like that to happen to them. Nobody brew. And then and then to have a metabolite, you know, like a pinch of salt. They said it was that was to end up in my body. It's like it's like. If you actually knew me you'd actually know, you know, the John's business, actually, I write, you know, I'm not nearly as what as I used to be. I don't do nearly shit that I used to do I've just had the last two years have been really misfortune addict pill, and then then metabolites of steroids. But you know, the image says this guy's while he hasn't learned shit. He's while being wild and not initiate is getting to hit and run car accident or doing shit like they shit like that has happened that was almost four years ago now, and you finding us from the twenty ninth. It's the main event you have see to thirty two. There's a great co main to cyborg against Amanda Nunez, which is a fight that everybody kind of wants to see are you more in that one point? You're going out. You're young guy. You're the new champion. It's like, you're a celebrity you appreciate your career more. Now that you had to kind of might to keep it. Do you feel more grateful to be doing this? And not like, you're just doing. Absolutely, I I'm definitely way more grateful from our career than I used to be for. Sure. Like, I said like when you when you do while. Shit, and you and you jeopardize your career is one thing. But kind of having it taken away like being called blindside in saying, hey, you're shrimp from you title teams. He's getting ready to release it in about twenty five minutes. Your publicist might wanna think about what your story is going to be. And you, you know, you're done you've done. There is like and that felt like it was taken from me. I feel like I did nothing wrong to lose my career in this last situation. I feel like he was taken from me. And when you get it taken from you man, it hurts so bad. Let's say if you've been doing it, and you got caught that's one thing. But when you look yourself in the mirror, and you know, you've never done steroids. It hurts fucking tremendously bad and and. And when you get it back man, you just want to do everything to protect it like nowadays. I don't even I don't even drink water. I don't trust people. I've been doing interviews out. They have had so many people asked. Hey, do you guys. Want a Cup of coffee. I'm not drinking your fucking coffee. I don't know. I don't know. Alison my own. It's just it. Just it just you just learn that life's not always so sweet. And you got to protect yourself, and and or or people will get you slipping and be a little more careful than assisting. What does that mean, your assistant or something else? I assist them with a lot of things pretty much had to give them four access to my life. Okay. And and, you know, an answer questions truly, and honestly and under oath, you know, you saw them as a government ran agency. And so you can't let those writings so. Yeah. Yeah. Totally do you know, everything I had to do get my job back, man. The word. Jimmy's tell me this. He was asking about the word snitch. Right. I don't you fucking do Jimmy, right. It's guys one of the most dangerous guys in the plan. Ask it, right. Do you believe? I actually asked him NASA. I would ask him. I never have somebody. Open book. You don't give a shit, right? See, man. Right. Right. John. So the thing with host nejra situation. You saw to pretty much they ask you. They asked you to assist with you know, if you know anything, and and and sports that has anything to do with performance enhancing. And I was grateful to be able to look them in the eyes and tell them. No. You know, I know nobody in our sport that does steroids. I really don't I have a lot of guys. I speculate guys from other camps guys from my Cam that that I speculate, but there's there's no there's nobody in my camp that I know does steroids, and and and I into that question. Honestly, I don't even know if it's like in that where you guys could kill each other. Is it snitching if you're telling somebody is doing something that could get somebody else killed? I don't know if I would kick snitching the whole thing is just weird to me. It's like the whole thing is weird to me is like I feel like snitching concern. Snitching when you are telling someone that you're supposed to be loyal loyalty. Right. I don't know a motherfucker then. And what are we what are we in prison? Now, snitching what are we in high school? What are we all mobsters? Like like, yeah. Snitching is. I I consider snitching is telling somebody that you are supposed to be willing to somebody who trusted you somebody that, you know, somebody that is in years like if I if I told one of my manager or one of my teammates, personal business. That's niching told that I knew about Matt's. There. Don't know each other every we don't hang out every day. It's true TRT for the record. I'm retired. Sammy sell and somebody that I'm not get it too. So that's not considered snitching. Oughta mean, so so, yeah, it's it's something that gets thrown around a lot, you know. And was I asked if I knew anything about about steroids man was asked I am my dad and say on the record my dad on his answer is. No, so yeah, they they asked you and you answered honestly. So you don't you don't care what the label is if other people put it on your doesn't matter. Whatever it doesn't matter do day, man. Like, do motherfuckers will do what they have to deal, Mayes, DJ demise. Somebody who's done a lot of great things in the sport. You know what I mean? And and that's the position on man. Do people won't just give it to me and say, hey, do just good at what he does. You know, if you're always going to blame things, and and labor US things and stuff, it's the cause of being relevant athlete and your game. And what about you know, the the fight question to where you've talked about moving up too. Because I remember you were talking about fighting Brock and other talking about DC fighting Brockett heavyweight you fight. Fighting the light heavyweight is there any desire to move up because there's a few to bell champions. And if you are to win this fight. I mean, he was a very tough fight the first one is there any desire to move up and fight at heavyweight as well, I would like to fight heavyweight. I think fighting Dan cornea heavyweight would be I feel like now is the time to capture the heavily Bill. I do believe that I have is number. I believe only difference in me and him fighting heavyweight would be physically Shurmur, the what I'm used to being believe he probably punch a little harder. I believe I believe I punch a lot harder. I do believe that if I want to catch the heavyweight championship doing it against the guy like D would be ideal. You think you'd be able to do it? I feel like I have is number. Yeah. Can you? And I spoke Runtime, and I asked you about possibly heavyweight, and you said well, somebody who's like, I'm the smaller side. Yeah. And then you call up Brock lesser. Yeah. Massive, you know, he's a huge scary, man. But I just know the pay day I used to think about the pay day I used to I feel like I had too much pride Marsh. We shouldn't bring up money. It was not traditional martial arts way to be all but the end of the day man, we're March Ladas, and but it's okay to be aware of money as well. And it's a job. It's a job. It really isn't Conor McGregor done a great job of showing us all that. Do you go talk Lewis shit. You gotta know wanna put a collared shirt on you. Gotta know when to do all these shit. And that's the way the game is turning. So so yeah, now, you know, my my psychology is to be the best. And but I feel that my pride towards being the best is more serious light-heavyweight. I feel like if I were to somehow come short heavyweight it's like call small the dude is he tried at least it takes a lot of courage to be fifty pounds lighter than it, dude. And still challenge yourself, and that that's something to be so far, but Lucile heavyweight is not acceptable. Right. Did you happen to catch over the weekend? The chip with Dell I saw like memes and highlights. Online. I haven't seen the whole thing. I heard first round knockout teeter ten I. Yeah. It was it wasn't to say. Thoughts. I would say, you know, look, I I love Chuck. I didn't wanna see him fight. No one wants to see a guy who's forty eight. Now. I forty seven I was he was slower. But again, he's I think he's eight years since his last fight. It was said to seek try not to be man. You know, I I deal it'd be great to see something. Like, we'll match doing, you know, transitioning using your other skills to continue being successful going realize, they have your own Jim you being able to use your voice and things like that. That's ideal. What you don't want to do is is, you know, as your last fight to be, you know, you've not being able to take a punch, and then you being some for some reason being back in their out imagine, it's a financial thing. Cormie doing right. We don't wanna be doing it. Right because he's already doing broadcasting and he's good at it. So he'll just step right into that. Yeah. And that and that's that's kind of where you wanna be what exactly what he's doing. You know, you can easily see him having his own gym, eventually doing commentary broadcasting exactly. So, you know, that's the idea for myself. Is is to be a gym owner or just the trainer of of a few elite, athletes and give them my all then to be past my prime or and it's still in there. You know with the young books, it seems it's so hard, I guess for fighters. It just seemed like everyone has a couple of fights. With Ali was he fights Larry home, Trevor Berbick, these guys it's so hard. I guess for somebody who's late thirties or forties to say, I'm done get. Well, one thing about me is I've been suspended I've spent three years in suspension while in my prime. So I've I've been able to have that ability to to ask myself and realize who am I out side of the sport? You know? It's like, you know, what I mean? It's like when I when you three years I've spent like three out of the last five years, I've been suspended. So I have an idea of how people treat me when I'm not John Jones you fight or champion anymore. Adding idea of what will happen when I don't have any sponsorships, and how money should be going and flowing and how fast I'm spinning that compared to how I make it. Did you learn a budget in the last couple? Eight years. Absolutely. I did. It sucks when you have to budget when you used to not having to budget, and I was I was. I was I was at a point. I was making over a hundred thousand dollars a month in sponsorships, and and when you live like that you get used to being able to just you don't even consider it blowing money, you just it's all in your means. And when and when the money's not coming in you definitely have to look at everything differently and just be more mature responsible. So as a blessing in occurs, you know, to be suspended in the middle of your career because you really get pitcher in humbles you too. Beautiful thing. Then I think part of it is the money thing with this the fight happen with Chuck and Tito, but I think part of it like for chocolate Dell I think I think that guy just true, you said good thing about your identity outside of the sport. And I'm not saying he doesn't have one. I don't know. But I don't I think he tried. I believe him when he says, he truly loves it. And I believe he loved not only did he love that. I saw his post fight Instagram something post, and it was, you know, come back what your shield or on it. And this and you'll almost like you win some you lose some I got caught and he loved every minute of it. Now, he's doing the after party. I think not that eating give a fuck, obviously. He's probably devastated, but he just loved the if you asked if you could do it again with the same outcome. I think he'd do it again. I think he would love that. And I don't know if it's a great thing as a guy that has fighters that younger fighters that are or getting older now that still wanna do. And you know, it's not right for them because their reflexes are just not there. They get their lights put out, and that's something that obviously never happened to you or even happened. I mean back this if you times, I never really got my lights put out where this guy's you get you like put out it's the stop much quicker for it to go out. Again. You launch lists fight with. Tito, you watch this fight with Chuck and Tito Tito was stalking him talking them shows. Really? It was just it was I don't wanna take with San because I knew Chuck had a good time. But I I'm sorry. I think it's the high. I think it's the highlights missing, you know, Chuck with Dell's like he's god-like in our sport. I mean, he's he's a big reason. Why started why consider it makes much as I was out in college in Iowa central community college? And I went to this Tony party and check Ladele was the first fighter ever saw. I never seen a bunch of grown men just marvel over another person like this. And that's when I realized what what this what this sport can be in. You know, Chuck Ladele. Many. He's he's, you know, even old version man fans, I fired up about whenever I talk about fighting Trump people come at me hardcore fans, come at me. Don't you ever? Do. She spent the leg or use your specs your elders respect the pioneers. And you know, so so just to be back in the scene where fresh mohawk, and they have people screaming his name and the walkout in the after party. I'm sure he miss being at that level of everything. And I'm happy for him that he got to feel it one more time. It's really a beautiful thing. And he had a job with you have see for a long time. And then he didn't have one once the it was sold. And I wonder if that effective, but all because even though he wasn't fighting. It was he would still come into the arena and the whole place would explode when Chuck walked in. It was it was still something's not fighting. But I mean, he had some kind of income some kind of an attachment to the UFC he was in charge of some type of whatever was play relation. It'd be verified a relationship. Relationship is now because he's not even under the banner anymore wonder, how Dana white those about him representing. I mean because he's a have see household name. What did you what did you find? It might have been Delatour not. Yeah. I think Dana let. After Dmitri's Johnson just left and Eddie Alvarez lefty, Dana goes, hey, look, more power to if you can make money, he seems to understand that after a certain point if you have to go and make the money, you know. He kissed. He doesn't want Chuck fighting because he personally, a friend. So he doesn't he and it's hard to dispute like, I'm listen, there's a different so weird thing to talk about. 'cause like here guy saying well any grown man should be. You know that that's fine. It's his choice. It's his it's his body. And it's his life. That's true. But don't you as a guy that if you care about the guy don't you want to be able to throw the ball around with his kid and a couple of years? I mean, you gotta look at it like that. I mean, nobody's talking about that. I heard I had some guys talking about it that respect and like, well, it's it's, you know, it's his life and yada, yada. And every man should be. Okay. That's great. Now, you must not give a fuck about the guy because I've got fighters onto me, and I've talked about this, but you off air Jimmy, and and you know, they want to continue to fight. And you know, they shouldn't fight. Right. You know, if you throw that what about their face is gonna balk bang about before they go to reach for it. That's the pro. I mean, that's what's going on here. You know, I seen a thing. At chocolate Dell and Tito at at the way in I sort this morning, and it showed Tito flicked his belly a little bit. I think if it was Chuck back in the day the second belly snack that fucking like do a little. Chuck's looking at them. The NAFTA was Chuck and I loved Chuck, I'm not attack. It looks down. Okay. You know, all I could be a little fat there. I don't think budgeted right away. He's fucking valley. I'm not I'm not I'm fucking do that the boom I sell shock. Could be the things that I noticed that. I'm like come on, man. And I just think he loved that any and you saw they asked about retiring, and he said something about well. He does wanna think about it yet. But at least he's going to be back in the gym because he enjoyed being back if not training himself to be helped training, the people. So I think he just likes like rocky carrying the buckets. They just want to be around it. And you also said to John you said that you wouldn't address him on Twitter anymore because I guess isn't that you felt like all right? I you know, there's nothing we're not gonna fight. Yeah. So funny to chuckle of Dell fans actually viciously attacked me that somebody you're such an asshole for even saying that I just can't win. Fuck you fighter. Yeah. No, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that with them anymore. Because I as you know, it's like he's chocolate Dell. So because he's a legend, you get a response from me when you call me out, you know, what I mean, you're not up and comer fucking legend, never planning. Just anybody your chocolate. Yeah. He calls you out you have to almost disrespectful to ignore them. Yeah. Exactly motherfucker. You you still not go probably seventy percent of the people walking around out here. So so, yeah, I'm I'm gonna take you seriously. When you talk about wanting to fight against me. But after seeing what just happened with him and Tito's he's like dude now being an asshole. Now that I see what you got left. Now. I'm just being an asshole by even entertaining. If you do that. I mean, there's what is seventeen year different to sixteen year. What do you think of the rest of the division? I mean, it's changed a lot. It's Anthony Smith Dominic grey as I was there, obviously. But he's making a lot more noise now still undefeated. So this interesting prospects at light heavyweight if you do be Gusta. Yeah. Yeah. We got we got a Anthony Smith and dominant grey as both coming up, you know. You know, it's weird when you be fighter. You know? My my real personality. Honestly is is I'm pretty humble modest do. But I understand that. Right. I'm talking to interview. You know, I'm at work and people want to hear the fighter side of me. Right. And be you know, extra coffee, cocky and confident and all that. And so that's what I'm going to give you guys and. And I'll say I'll say that. I don't think either one of them are ready. I see major holes in in both of their games. I think Anthony Smith may be closer to title contention. And and and AVI really excited if I am I think I think that'd be that's probably who I should be fighting as a warm. Oh fight over. I just I just feel like I just feel like he's definitely not ready. His last fight. He got tooled on the ground by Vokhan invoking as a striker, you know, to have striker take your bag and ground and pound you from the from the back -sition for that long. Just like you get a wrestler me on your bag. Do somebody's gonna be looking for ruminate put hooks in. Yeah. My looking really hurt you. It's like, he's not ready. And who's by Lynn that had the same thing happened when he? You know, there's levels to this game. And I was the first round was at the. You know, you gotta be real, man. You got injured Rogan told me when I Girona recently came about when me and him smoked weed together and his hotel room, which chew story. And and he was absolutely right. He told me something tonight. I be in bonnet. He told me he said, John I've seen many young dynamic athletic dudes, come through here. He said John you won't be shit. And he was he said, let's face it. You're not gonna be shit in less. You. Embrace what it means to be a mixed martial arts fighter. He's I see people get cut every year said if you don't get your jitsu down do get pride in grappling. And and it's like, you're not gonna make it. Yeah. Do flashy techniques. And and do you have good wrestling throws? Yeah. But you've got to embrace the whole thing what it means to be a mixed martial arts. And that's what a lot of people aren't doing. And that's what's giving me. A lot of a lot of hope and faith even though I'm getting older. I see a lot of these light heavyweights with no ground game. And I'm just like, well, that's my path for career longevity. Right. They're kind of like how GSP started taking down people and just and and nobody could get out and people call them bore and towards the end of his career. But he was continuing to win. It's like there's there's a huge avenue in the heavyweight division. Still the people don't have ground game your elbows nobody who's the kid that just kid Walker. Johnny walk Johnny Walker who who threw elbows you only have seen elbows. Like you. Don't know if you saw that fight it was his debut. But yeah, there's a few guys they're in the division. But I'd rather see move to heavy weight after you. There's so many great fights at heavyweight. Yeah. They're they're high risk high reward fights for sure now, you would you strangled in Henderson in a grappling match. What we call him with a with the head and arm and head. No, uh-huh. I love the head. That's a good one. I love it not always short and stocky guys. Because I use my chest with it. When you do what do you do? You would you do like a monthly owned and hold your own ear or his head because you've got those long arms go pom pom yet. We go. Pom pom get my head right next to his and just we'll talk about that. Fucking strangle Dan Anderson, which was really strong bastard, by the way. Yes. But you know, what I shouldn't get too much credit for that. You know, I'm a lot younger than him. And I was a little heavier than he was too. But still but still Dan Henderson respectable guys going for your resume for sure what you'd you get you coach Roberto do you haven't wearing a gig at all. Yes. Now. The importance. Could be close to this. I like to talk about this, especially with a Jedi Lum, the ghee the importance of the key. Don't you think it's still important even for guys doing MA or? No. Are you not a guy at all? No, definitely definit-. I believe I believe the key would help to up your game. You know, what you really know where you have to go to scape are moving on county on the sleeper. Nece? Look, you know, especially grumble guys like John possibly could be like just slowing them down for guys that are not as leading. And that that gets his game better. Do you wear again, all know, the hot Salil, you're pushing him. Yeah. A little bit. We always we should they can we wear more training camp. On a game plan. I'll tell you. When when I when I started working with Tusa was when I realized the importance was when my veto over fire. One of the first things he taught me was was what I did wrong. And that arm bar would be Belfort. Did he tell you not to hold around his head? Or did he? Well, he told me it's actually what instinctually I won't be got me on that arm bar. I tried to pull out. Yeah. I have arm and hot water. I just wanted to pull it out right away. And actually helped him out a lot I needed to do with stack them on top of his head, you know, and and try to try to bring his hips to his head crusher down and then developed control that way. Instead of he's been great, man. I I'm actually really surprised at what I've been able to do on the ground without without him. And I'm really excited for the future future. Opponents to see what I'm actually capable of on the ground now outside just grounded pollen. I mean, I believe it's your first fight with DC, very the ten seconds. You went for a flying triangle. If I remember correctly. Yeah. I definitely enjoy point guard. A lot of submissions. You know, we are psychology. And you a lot of times is is trying not to do things that that lands us on our bags. You know, mass keep keep a dominant position when you have a dominant position. But and situations why do pull guard oftentimes, it's when I know my Ponant is in a desperate spot and looking for that, you know, less ten second haymaker type of thing. And and so that's why God because it's very hard to knock somebody out from their guard. You know, what I mean, it takes a long body like that? Right. Yeah. Danger. They're gonna have to keep their arms tight and whatnot to get in trouble. If they just go to swing on you. And before we let you go John you have to impress. You said the first fight the gossips and fight is of course, the twenty ninth of December. This the rematch among is twenty thirteen was the first one which was you said at the end, it was a war the hardest fight you've ever had is one of the best mixed martial arts fighter ever seen. Did. You. You said you didn't train as hard as you should have have you trained harder for this fight. Yeah. Absolutely. The first one I fall is in in, you know, people I was getting used to people. Saying things like he's a lot like John Jones, man, he would better hands and better footwork. And everyone was just saying that we that. He was like, a, you know, a Swedish version of me, you know, and and in my head I was thinking, well, yeah, he's tall. And he has his you know, he has a presence about him. But he's not me. You know, there's only one me, and it was almost an arrogance that I that I had feeling like I was a product. And he was like the knockoff version of me. And what he showed me was that, you know, you know, hard work can beat talent when talent isn't working hard. And that's such a truth thing going into round two. I found myself exhausted. I've been watching this fight nonstop and Bill lately because of preparing to fight again. And I'm watching myself, and it just wasn't who. I am. I I'm known to pick it up and championship rounds. And this this fight I was exhausted going into round two exhausted. I know I wasn't doing the right things. I was in the heyday of my partying around that time in my life. And and and now I know what he's capable of. And I and I'll. Treat him and such. I'll treat him and trained for him the way that that is supposed to be well, we're happy you're back. This gust of fight it's a really really anticipated rematch. And I love you being in the UFC. So I hope that from here on out. Everything is good and you continue fighting for a longtime banks. I love you being in studio. Yes. Because it may here. Thanks to buddy. Awesome break peak take pictures and the bureau right back. Thanks, john. Thanks to you. Hey, buddy. How are you? Good. You weren't sure we're going to get, you know, Matt or ready left. So I'm glad I was here and able to take the call awesome. Thank you. We had John on today, which was nice to see John. He looks very focused. How you feel about this gust of sin fight coming up. Feeling good about it. You know? I I want to hear that John is focused and training and ready to go and. You know, I'm excited to come back. And obviously that white. You know, the greatest light heavyweight title fight ever. And I expect a second one to be great too. Yeah. I mean, it was twenty thirteen and John said he hadn't trained as hard. He should've for that first one. And he thought his career was over isn't. We're not a see him coming back because I'll be honest at one point. I did not think he'd find the octagon again. I didn't either. I didn't either I agree with you. And and yeah. And you know, he's had overcome some serious. Demon to get back here, and you know, company stays on the straight narrow mix it to the fight. But yes. And by the way, buddy, I I saw you in Vegas, and I do know how to keep a secret because you told me oughta Sonya Anderson Silva, and I wanted to do nothing more than run my big fat fucking. But I didn't say so you've actually made that happen now that is a fishing. Yeah. I flew out flew. Australia. I sat down with Israel talk to them flew to LA sat down with Anderson talk to him and finally got done I figured dialectically despite so fun. And even if you look at Anderson Anderson Silva, you know, as the and everything that's going on. I mean, look at us fight against against Daniel Cormie. He hurt eight of the body still super Calicut guy. He loves Chachi stayed in shape, and he stayed in shape the whole time. So you know, it's gonna be fun. And I'll be one of the good things because I love Israel out of Sonya is that this is a way to get him into a Cullman event because that's a big fight for him and against a legend, leg Anderson still, but this is actually a legitimate Komen event. Oh, yeah. Can incredible Komeda vet? I mean Israel's on fire. I mean, this kid is is looked so damn good. As fight with Derek. Brockton was unbelievable look completely dominant against you know, a guy. Who has heavy hands? And it's such a good wrestler. And you know, when you look at Israel, white all you can take mad imagine heaven. Anderson silva. Yeah, he looks like a younger version of Silva. It'll be interesting to see 'cause Silva's a bigger guy. So it'll be interesting to see how they handle each other. And how Andersen fights a probably gonna guess a slightly faster version of himself. I agree. I I love this fight. I personally wanted to see this by myself and makes sense in the world. I love it. And you know, we talked about NASCAR near the day. We haven't spoken to you since the big trade, which you pulled it off it happened. What are you? What are your thoughts on bananas grin and fighting Robbie lawler's up and confirmed? Yeah, it is fighting Robbie Lawler. The kid called me a few months ago and said, what are the you come into the UFC? I I don't know what's going on with your with your contract over there. And he said, well, I think they'll let me go. Of course, they're not going to let them go. So over the last several months we've figured out a way to get to get him here. He's undefeated, obviously, a lot of people want to see him fight the best in the world. And now we're gonna get that opportunity. So I'm glad it worked out is Dimitrius leaving TJ said something about coming down. And how you're paying them to kind of tick paint fuck out of money to kill the flyweight division is Dimitrius leaving and TJ fighting pseudo some type of a bad sign possibly flyweight division. The fuck load of money to kill the division. That was TJ dillashaw said they pay me a fuck ton of money to kill the flyweight division. I don't even know what that means. But yeah, no, listen teach shot into shipping flyway division. You know, why weight division just never never took off and never caught on even with a dominant champion Dmitri. It's it just it just never caught on people didn't care at battled for a long time. I tried to keep it alive. And obviously it's still going on. Now, you know, we still have fights going on and that division. But we'll see we'll see what the future holds for it. Okay. Maybe that's what he meant. Maybe he said coming down and beating the champion. I'm not sure what he meant. But he did say that. I maybe maybe that's what he meant that. He's going to beat pseudo and kill the division. Now, president of one who's name I cannot pronounce he said recently that there's gonna me more than a trade in the future is like that's on the horizon or anybody you're interested in from there. No, there's nothing else going on. I think that you know, what happened was this was the only way to get this deal done. It made sense. And I've made offers to other organizations to I've made offers. That haven't panned out. But you know, I it's something that you can do it's interesting. And and this it worked out really, well, I think for both of us. Now, do you wanna say who you tried to get they couldn't get? No, it's not that. I was trying to get somebody. I made an offer to another organization. Yeah. They they didn't take it. I I was happy for. I mean Francis. I did not see a first round knockout of of Curtis blades. I guess you must be happy to see him kind of right to ship a little bit. Yeah. I agree. I didn't. I didn't see that either. But Francis power. I watched the fight. I think it was premature I think they could've been could've let that go a little bit longer Curtis. Curtis jump back up and female, right? And with the heavyweight, you never know some of the greatest fights we've ever seen when you let the fight go Bigfoot Silva Mark hunt. One of the most incredible fights I've ever seen period. Let alone heavyweight. Dan, Dan, Henderson and show gone. Yeah. Goes on rattle off thousand of them check pepper, Chad Congo. I think mentioned that very check Congo. You know, I I had feelings about it. Just because he knocked him down three times and blades did jump up fast. But he wasn't really defending his arms are on the floor and Ghana's giant fucking hands hit. And maybe the ref thought he was in worship than he was. Yeah. No, it's true. Believe me, I got my guys here who you know, matchmakers. Thank it was a good stoppage. And before you wanted to obviously ask you about a couple of things in the heavyweight division, but we had John here today. And he said I asked him about the Ladele Twitter thing because he said now he's not going to address Chuck on Twitter anymore. I'm taking it. You did see that fight. I'm not sure if you watched it I was up in my house of man, I caught on the internet on the sofa media. The next day. We're talking, of course, about your chocolate Dell and Tito Ortiz, and obviously the pure Chuck wanted to fly it, and you have. See how do you feel about that fight going on? Listen, I love chocolate Dell and I don't ever want to bad mouth Chuck with L, or even you know, people even remotely bad mouth chocolate L. But the reality is first of all, let's say. Let's say this. I I I heard last week the coke head Oscar de LA weirdo. Talking shit that I don't have any place to tell guys when to retire. You know, I don't tell I of all it's called friendship friendship. He fucking coquette. I've been friends with which Adele, you know, per for twenty years and the reality is that chocolate del retired when he should have retired eight nine years ago, however long it was. And Chuck with almost fifty years old and has no business fighting anymore. And the fact that that the state of California even let that happen is disgusting. Disgusting. You know, and. You know chocolate. Dell has an incredible legacies. A huge superstar in the sport. You know? So of course, as a friend anybody who claims to be a friend of chocolate Dell and was anywhere near this white is full of shit. They're not a friend of chocolate Dell to let him go in and fight. This fight is terrible. And it's not a not a case if you telling him to retire early. You know, obviously, you guys were very close. And you don't wanna see him get hurt. That's the problem is Chuck with Dell fighter chocolate white that passionate. What he loved them life. You know, but there comes a day and age fighting the young man game. You can't do it. You know, an Oscar fucking day of. Oh, come over to golden boy where we respect the fighters, and it makes me sick. What these fighters paid? And and all this shit Ida fourteen fights on the card five for amateur fight. Which means you didn't pay Jack shit, right right and twelve the professional fighters on the court made left in three and three. What are you talking about you Kokand junkie, and some of the guys in the court made a thousand and a thousand and you know, what your spec the fighter so much? He couldn't even remember the fucking name at the press conference. Yeah. He was saying that if you George Foreman or Bernard Hopkins, but those guys are very very rare exceptions how about Meldrick Taylor or what happened to Ali. There's so many more cases of fighters who get hurt badly and who wind up in terrible shape by fighting too long. Then the very very rare exception to make it through. Okay. Exactly. I hope somebody talk day into fighting again. Okay. I hope it's paid a California the white, and I hope he gets fucking knocked out like chocolate Dell did in the first round walking coquette nutball. Tito, even said afterwards that he would not have let Chuck fight. Yeah. PT does listen Tito Pedo? And author daily dummy were made for each other, man. Those two fucking not had first of all. You guys wanna get paid come over to? Golden boy, Emma, may are you kidding me? Hey, my brother, wait a couple of months. This whole thing pans out. Everybody's going to be doing everybody in a couple of months. There was no money made over there. They will Hoy is a moron and absolute moron. And I don't know how Chuck allowed himself to be talked into this stupid shit. You know, I it's probably just one of those things where he wanted to fight and Oscar de LA Hoya told him what he wanted to here. Yeah. I agree with you on. Fortunately, have you talked to Chuck it all in the lead up or since the fight? Have you talked to them before the fight? But I haven't talked to them since I'm at least going to give the guy a couple of days, and and I'll give them a call this week. Yeah. And when you when when he says something like, well, who's to tell fighters, I mean, that's like saying why have a ref who's to tell fighters when the not knocked. I mean, there are people around you who tell the fighter when it's time to hang up, his friend. That's when it's time to hang it up. That's right grand. Joe told there's a famous. We're Joe Brennan Chabot talking and Joe told him look, I don't know if you can do this anymore, and as I'm sure very hard conversation to have with the guy that you respect. But the the fact that you care about him has got to come above possibly hurting his feelings pissing him off one hundred percent. Do you do you think is purely financial for chocolate? Do you think that there was a combination of just wanting to get in there again 'cause eight years a long lay-off, listen chocolate Dell as a fighter man, Chuck wh when I asked retired didn't want to eat it. You know? Should've retired when he did. And he should have stayed retired. But like like, the coquette said, you know, Chuck grown man, can do whatever he wants to do. But that's one of the state of California has to step in and protect the fighter from himself. Yeah. Didn't deal a Hoya. I wasn't he knocking the whole Connor Floyd thing. And then after we saw how popular it was that he said he wanted to step in and fight honor. No that that's what that's what started this whole thing with me and him. I always liked Oscar respected him, you know, talked about his fife and stuff then the guy comes out and starts ripping Connor McGregor versus Floyd. Then as soon as the ovary says now he wants Conor McGregor. This guy is this guy needs to check himself into rehab immediately. Do you do you think that's what it is? At a press conference rubbing his hands talking about Colby, and that he doesn't know any of the fighters doesn't know any of their names the main event, he doesn't even know how to make chocolate Dell. What do you think he's doing in? Do you think it's just the way he he's a little late? He figures he can make money off it or snort McConnell cocaine and. Google Google cocaine and doing a lot of other things. And then, you know, I don't even think he's involved in any of this stuff. I think there's a bunch of people behind the scenes who really do all the work and put this together for him. He snorts about twelve pounds a coke when he gets up in the morning and just shows up. They tell them to show up. Love you. Yeah. It is. It is weird to hear him try to get into to get into it. And then just say how how, you know, then stay on the other side and try to be a competitor. He just I just wants to get to the game. And he's probably a little bit too late. It's not even that he's too late. He's not smart enough to get into the game. He's not smart enough. And he doesn't have the work ethic. This guy's a total. You know, he's doing other things. He's doing recreational things that are keeping him from even thinking about competing. You know what I mean? You show up to a press conference. At least at the very. You know, how to pay the main main? Okay, let alone he literally lined up a bunch of guys behind me. Yeah. I don't really know any of these guys or their names. Well, how about you write down on a hawk and piece of paper. You don't. Yeah. Okay. Paper in read the piece of paper. Now. He is this guy is has no shave. Unbelievable. I some of the things that this guy has done. I would disappear you'd never see me. Again. He doesn't give a shit. He jumps right back up there. Talking to the media hilarious. Well, hopefully, hopefully, Chuck I love Chuck to he's one of the first fighters I ever interviewed. I've a lot of respect for Chuck. He's a legend. And again, these guys it's very hard for them to step away. I'm sure like the rush of walking in you know, when he used to come out even at events when I'd see him when he was had a job for you have see just wherever you walk into the arena, the place would explode, and it just it's got to be very hard for guys to walk away from that. But you said, yeah, it's very hard. And one of the things that again bums me out is my thing was there's no way I'm first of all I don't wanna make one dollar of this kind of money. Do not I've said that day one. You know, when I mean day one seventeen years ago number two is my backup which I was hoping is no major state will sanction despite that's not gonna happen because all the big states like Nevada, California, New York, whatever they let a commission commission major commissions going wrong wrong. Yeah. Do they open? This thing would end up. You know, they're going to be in Kentucky somewhere trying to make this flight. And the fight would never come off. I didn't know Kentucky. California was going to happen. Data. Do they try it in New York or in Vegas? They were off the data. Nocco and and and California took an immediately California didn't even point that flight. You kidding me? First round knockouts, his Pedo. How many knockouts his Tito hadn't his career standing knockouts like that? None chocolate. Del should never been in. That light. All the fans were talking about it leading up to the, you know, just watching footage. Did anybody from the commission show up to watch him Spar or anything like that? It's just I it's terrible, man. You know, and the fans love Chuck, and I think one reason even fans still wanna see somebody fight. It's almost like when you when you wanna see your favorite band reunion. Watching them reminds you of how you are ten years ago too. So it brings people back, and I this is spectacle and people like, hey, if he's still fighting that I'm not as old as I thought I was, but the you have C could've made probably good money off doing this fight. And you guys obviously declined it because like you said you don't wanna make money on that. Never never. Well. Hopefully, hopefully, and the thing is for a guy like Chuck, obviously took some damage in the fight. But what kind of damage did he take training? That fight leading up to that fight. It just makes me sick man makes me sick. And Dana before we let you go. We asked you meant to ask before sage north cut. Is there any update on on sage and where he may be winding up? Yeah. No stages. You know, we we let go sages young and sage needs. Phase needs some work. So let him get some working in one of these other organizations, and we'll see what this kid ends up in a couple of years. And you know, maybe we'll pick them back up again. Oh, I didn't realize that. Okay. So h has been he's been allowed to to go and good luck to him. Okay. His contract with. Yup. So we let go, okay. Well, obviously, you gotta be and one more question. I wanted to ask you about de Broc in DC. Everybody is talking about is that something that looks like it's going to happen. I hope so that's that's the fight the DC wants, you know, Bennett amazing champion for us. Incredible guy. I could not up good things about this guy. This is a fight. He wants to give him what he want. You know, there's the light heavyweight division though. And I told John this before a lot more interesting now than it was even six or eight months ago. So if John stays light heavyweight again, Dominic Reyes may not be ready. You're Anthony Smith. But this some really good fights for him. Maybe volcanoes Demere. Yeah. I agree. I think that the light heavyweight division is fun right now and getting better, and then middleweight division is awesome and heating up. Good stuff. Obviously, you know. I'm excited for becoming in. And woodley. You know? I wanna see despite with aspirin Lawler, white Rafeal. Joe this weekend Friday from the on the tough Anneli. So all the divisions are pop fucking Holloway versus Ortega. You know what I mean? I can't wait for that. By what is that Woodley? What is finding Covington? I don't know. We're working on that. The only. Ideally, I would love to do that. And have Anaheim January twenty six that would be awesome. If I could pull that up. Yeah. That's I'm really wanting to see. Well, it's good talking. I'm really glad we got a hold here today. And I just wanted to throw a few things. So I really appreciate it. All the pleasure. My brother take care. Bye. Left. See featherweight contender Brian Ortega loves the fight loves the strategy. You know, what else he loves I nobody loves lie. I I know exactly what he loves max Holloway. No. Oh, toy yo. T- city Toyo tires there's tough as they come. And they are the official tire of the UFC. 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The wise guys are on and picking five NFL games to win one million dollars in the west gate super context. It's going to be a great time and best of all it'll make you a better better the favorites. Make sure to subscribe and tell you friends to do the same on apple podcasts or wherever you get your shows. Now, max Holloway may be here in a couple of days who I also do love that's going to be an amazing fight. But right now, let's talk a little bit about. It was good previewing gust of Jones, John, but it w-. Let's talk a little bit about this past and later on. I wanna talk about some it's not a minute. But it's a new series of watching. I'll tell you about it later. I'm so excited about it. Really fun. Keep everybody in suspense. Okay. Now. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this card and who got what right. I know the one I got wrong. Oh, oh. Oh, okay. I'm what you. Oh. Yeah. Up always thought. What are we starting from Hungary? Long. Correct. Against david. Von fight. Great file performance. I believe it was is a lot as I fight and UFC wrong. I think he had one before the. Yeah, he had a split decision July thought was losing the first round. I think in the second round he came back to get knocked down. I think in the first round and round two and three he was mazing. First of all what a fun fight Jing, Jill say login lawn lose your long, right? He always has. He always does that first round. I'm watching David's Awada and zoologist throwing everything, but the kitchen sink and landing and he won that first round. Yes, he did one that I he did he threw everything. But I think he had such high volume that it costs them 'cause by the second round after that first round a lot as like oh shit. What else? Do I have to do? Yeah. He one for me is so what? So what do you what do you want? Sorry. Anyway, so lesion long that dude was getting better. I like it. I like him a lot and he could take a punch, and then he just he was just going after it man, and he got stronger as the fight went on. And it looks like it's going to distance then buoy. Foro seven around three. Yup. It's done. I had tremendous faith leading long. Now. What do we pick by the way, you said fight of the night? No prominent form it's of the night for lesion. Jinglang Matt you Levi decision I was close getting there. I at least long by second round knockout at two points for that. Jim Norton on the money at leading long third round knockout getting 'cause I know that he gets stronger as the fight goes on I figured this guy might not gas, but I didn't this. And you know, what I think I think being at home lesion long, maybe it was a little tighter than he would normally be going to the first round. Then he kind of loosened up as as get into the fight. How it on song against by the almost he trained with the fucking monks with those Shaolin monks in China. Yeah. And he went there to learn martial arts. And they said that's why he has a lot of explosive quick movement. Really a fun guy to watch beat Vincent Morales by nine hundred decision. Thirty twenty seven. I did. I agree thirty twenty seven. I don't know why maybe twenty nine twenty eight. I said, he's thinking them rallies. One one of those rounds. I don't remember. I think it was the third round where Morales showed a little bit came out a little bit more aggressive. But I think sound get done obviously won the fight. Obviously won the fight. For sure. Vince was landing some, but it really had no affect. I mean, I'm oh he landed some nice on us song. Then songs like I don't think. So he was he was just pressuring them. I thought it should have been a little bit more urgency, and I like I know twenty frequent his trainer Vince morale trainer. I know him. He's an old school guy from Pat milita's. Nice, dude. Very nice guy. And he seems like they have a nice bond could training thing going on. But should've picked it up more than always talking about playing to and what's plan b or whatever. And he goes remind me and he's telling them, and I it's all good. But I feel it should be more urgency in that last round because he needed something big. If not a ten if not a stoppage a ten eight round, you gotta go after this guy. I like the technical advice. That's great. But say, listen, I think the I think Vince even brought up like I need this one. He's like you need it. No. You fucking you five minutes. Hell five minutes of Yuri. Jimmy. That's what he needed. Yeah. You know came up a little short. It was still a very very good fight. He you know, he didn't marriage himself. And I thought he's gonna run maybe the third. Now. So what are we all have on song Morales? So I had song Deng by second round. Knockout? Obviously it ended up going to decision. But we got that. Right. Matt you at third round knockout for song. And Jim Norton again song by decision all three points. He's Jimmy stared at me. Why are you get all cocky can't help it for the record people? Jimmy didn't Jimmy wasn't afraid that bring up that snitching question to John Joe. I don't care if the audience thinks I was Jonathan Kaye, John I just wanted to bring that up because you know, you're gonna hear it Ruma. Yeah. Do that, you know. And I thought he had a great answer. Look, man. He basically said they a friend of mine what the fuck anyway, let's go. What are we got? Let's go to another one. Let's go to another one that I got right. God. Really? I know this holy shit to first of all over rings book and ground and pound scale. I'll tell you right now. That's as nasty as grounded down. If anybody goes all right MA what's ground and pound, which it's kind of you know, the guy was somebody must be more out of there. Couldn't be. We'll give you a demonstration of ground and pound. That's what I would show them. This. Do you heard that you've probably heard that from the nose bleeds? You're absolutely right. That is a prime example of what ground opponent is. But if you go back over the last fight, Curtis blades, drop and elbows on him. That's also I mean, it went the opposite way for his last five which is another great example, but many came back with vengeance. Certainly did and he looked tremendous. I knew he would because again Sergei Pavlovich fought very tough guys. But he has not fought anybody with the experience or the fucking legs of Alastair over him. And he used his knees a little bit in the clinch up against the fence. But I knew I'll ovarian was going to put him away in the first round. He's just too big attest via. I you have you don't want fucking Alastair over him as you. I you have how did how do you get on the did? He take them down. Remind me how he got on topic. Yeah. It was a trick. It was an outside trip. I think that that he kind of threw him till the ground there. You can't put this fight on that point. I want to let something here, that's very wise and. Just extremely smart, which is the same as wise. Star when he got on top of him. You ought to Jake against Valentina Shevchenko that's the Coleman of Holloway or tater. Correct. Hold on. Got some mind fixed. The flash. I don't know. I just I know saying Jimmy my wife had one of those like Fitbit things on you know, when I was I was away for twelve days. Yes. You seven days at the parks. And you know, it's like eight eight miles a day. I told you this maybe out there. It's a lot of walking. Yeah. It is. You know? Oh, a lot of walking. How about a little less walking along a walking? Oh, he's pissing me off because I listened to as little thing this morning about the crista. Producer thing is podcast. Even his buddy Steve that does it with them and listen to this show, and it says, son. So he's like, yeah. Christopher those even do and I like that guy. But I might have some issues soon using. No, I don't I it might roll if the tone, but that stop you just had it. Yeah. I'm okay. Let's why forget that long ago. Steve from from Longos podcast stopped ripping off our shit. There's only one Krista producer and he's right out. Give them the wife and applause. The producer. He might be a very very nice guy. Actress like Steve is but Jimmy pocket. When the Bundy, but there's. You want? You just call them produce a Chris. And then Ray goes, you know, getting slack because he caught himself today when he said it I heard it. He was getting slack because they say, they think it's the same producer mats and different Christopher. No. It's Chris who's a producer or you want to call them produce, a Chris, I'm okay with that. Don't fuck what my shit back. All right. Let's go. Here we go. This is over and Sergei Pavlovich like two minutes left in the first round the ovary and looked really really good. I mean, you know, he's a big guy. I'd like kick. Now is nice gets a click watch what he's doing when he's standing over him. His hands are to his ankles. He could do the throne ankles to decide or he lifts the ankles. We kept way, and he goes inside the guard watch this. He he lifts it. He's he's controlling the ankles the push away. He'll just come right back onto high believe he has seventeen sufficient. He settles side that gone the second. What was smart about what over him did over him is he knew immediately whereas ankles for his ankles weren't in in if even if they weren't over hips, they can't just kick him off? He will just go back and forth with him when he goes to do that. If you do not control those ankles, you're not controlling your down opponent. Look he goes right back any ankles when he's standing over him, and he didn't do any damage. I know, but he's control. But now, he's he's controlling the ankles. He's looking to go side. Now, he settles in he settles in elbow pelvis. Pelvis is right, of course, shin one right hand now down three four. Beautiful beautiful, Mike. Good nine nine straight punch unanswered. Head bounce it off the canvas. That was something man. But anyway, if you get somebody down, especially if against the cage anyway, for that, matter know, whether ankles are no with ETR, and the way you will feed our thank you, seventeen submissions. And again, if I'm remembering correct? So he's a fucking animal on the ground over rain. This guy just didn't have these spirits. There's no way he was beaten over him. What do we have? We all call so me and Matt both had Sergei Pavlovich. Matt at first round knock Pavlovich at second round knockout, which obviously didn't go that way. I stand by that one. I'm annoyed about the the main event. I wish I'd pick the other way. Jim Norton house over in first round knockout, that's three straight. Correct. Picks all three points for those fights glowing right now, he's really excited because I know that that's all I got. That's gotta get three hundred four not bad. Now. The performance of another performance tonight. They match against in Ghana. Due to drummer rollback. Everybody knows it. So that's a fucking God who Curtis played blazers ten in one going in his only loss was to in Ghana. But it was a doctor stoppage in the I in Ghana who had lost two straight, obviously too steep, a very tough fight that he was not prepared for you. I mean, the cardio is admitted that he underestimated them that Derek Lewis fight really threw me because he didn't come back, and he looked to like zero confidence, and we had heard again from wherever we heard it that he was not training with heavyweights who's training with like middleweights. And when I heard that, and I saw that dark Lewis you what jumped off the bandwagon trains jumped off the train jumped off the train. No, you don't. That's not a trick. Fan when I hold on jumping bandwagon when you were a cowboy or giants. And train and train. Would you jump off the bandwagon? But you don't like it team. They lose I like in Ghana Curtis blade is going to beat him because Curtis played had the confidence of knowing that they fought and Francis didn't knock them out. And in Ghana's confidence was shaken sure. Over with his wrestling's able to rationalize. Get back on your back on the bandwagon. I still like you never off the bandwagon. He's nothing to do with. I like in Ghana I wanted and gone into wait. I thought blade with. So if you bet with your heart, and you lose your heart. But then if you say, look, I think blades has got him this time because he's not going to lose twice to them because confidence is sky high. And God who was saying? I don't feel confident what are you gonna pick fucking and gone on a first round knockout for sure. All I know is I feel for John Jones because Dan, do I love a good pill? I do too. Jimmy. I like the spice my old lady now in Ghana. Okay. That fight that was not even a great. It was a weird punch that he hit him with too over the top. Oh, so much how strong stoppage, you know. They said we watch that again because I remember correctly. There was three or four unanswered shots and a one point blades was leaned over. And I think his hands were down and in Ghana was slamming him. I was okay with it the special the second time, I saw it. I didn't I didn't love it. We'll watch it again here. I haven't seen. I didn't love it. But I was okay with it. Let's see. Let's see how it ends. Kef. Also, only forty second forty four all already missed it. Okay. So now, they're being boom and being bring that right hand back a little like you're a call over the top knocks him down. He's hands one to the top three dot com down again. Booming three four five his hands are down. He is literally just boom. He's been not down three times in Ghana is swinging around. They're not showing him because he's already got them walking around. They're all. It's yeah. I mean to shoot, but it's not it's instant uninsured. Punches three times. They got knocked on Ansett. Punches in a scramble. Yeah. So it's not like uninsured. Like, he's not protecting himself. He's just covering up. He was in the middle of so. So it's one of those things where in hindsight. It wasn't a great stoppage. It you could understand why what happens is this. What you expected is for one either jump in. He expected almost the hold up Curtis Curtis. She's got up and then he's already. So you see you can't listen, you're not a mind reader, you don't know feeling or how he's gonna when when he goes a step in how he's gonna react. And be like, oh, man. Like, he's still like heads fuzzy his head was clear, and you know, not gonna know what could happen if if he would have made a little distance and landed on the shot, and then they're going to say, oh, you should have broken up sooner. I understand. It's a hard job in hindsight. It was a little premature we watch that again last. The second it stopped. And it's there's no stutter step or anything the reason because he dropped and then went down look ugly in the beginning. Like, he went down three times, you could almost argue that the ref was late to to stop it. And then at the point when he did he probably should've let it go at that point. 'cause he was already recovered. Let me say so he goes down Gan Ghana does have that armed fucking cock. Yeah. He's comes the right? He's letting them know is moving eighty. Got rid of his. About what I like about Francis. See like, they're you can almost say stop it. But then not really again see now, he's. He's. He's up. You're right. He is up now. But look what he's living. He is not he never stop moving back that last moment. Matt what when he's he gets knocked out a third. He's up again watching punch kind of like. I mean, he hit him. And you didn't see where it came before. We went to move and he's he's still moving the referees. Watching get knocked down three times in about ten seconds. And he was not he was not counterpunching any wasn't even defending. He was limited arms on the ground for like two punches tell that check Congo. Verse back berry does what I say you tell that garnered. True. Get also looking guys have gotten fucked up. Listen, very tough calls. It w Shula. Jimmy can't win with that. But I watching it people if people want to watch that fight with Kevin Lee verse Mike, Michael and say, oh that was premature. Then why I mean, he was his head was just as clear afterwards. I always use more of an a scramble. I also think the size at the guy throwing the punches does go into the reps set. He knows this Francis in Ghana, and he sees X amount of punches landing. And when you see a guy go down three guys biggest Curtis blades drops down gets arms around the ground. Getting up Powell Powell gets up drop down again guy getting hit gets up drop down. Again, the referees. Probably not thinking, let me see his eyes. He's thinking he's just getting lit the fuck up, and he's gonna get knocked down. Again. It's not horrific. It's not like one no much worse. Cat about it. But I have seen maybe giving him a couple more. But but again, if he gets hit again and knock down a fourth time, people go how many times you letting gonna hit this? Listen, amen. The nut at all be good calls. That was tough. I forgive tough one. Yeah. You can't really hold it against them. I mean that to get hit with that first shot at that series up to, you know, make them on the ice skates and whatnot. But I was happy to see and gone do that I like him. But again, he's still you know, as much as he's a great big puncher things a ferocious striker. I don't see him beating guy like came Blazquez. And I only see him beating Brock if he can't get Brock. If brought can't get a hold of him Brock take one of his punches though. You know, what I like men? What Curtis said Kerr's aid said when he reacted to this on Twitter. He said took one on the chin tonight. I we've back with the same confidence. And then the hashtag sometimes you're the nail hashtag minus set beige back. Hashtag too young to stop now. Sometimes you're the nail. Yup. Sometimes you're the nail Jimmy as you know in other circumstances. Yeah. My hiney hammered. For what it's worth heave call that JD ask because they were scheduled to fight all back that was. Holy shit. You saw your JD S's finding Taito vaseline to this this week. I do enjoy Masa me too Bill. Yes. And then he called out Alexander, Volkov and steep. Of course, the rematch. What is steep is not fought since what is he doing CPA? Man. No, no, no. He's a man's man. And he deserves a rematch because he's did not give him a rematch right away. Because it was a first round knockout just back and forth with the if I remember correctly. Yeah. They I mean, they've gone back and forth. A couple of times it's sort of the same thing where steep as like DC. I was ready for New York. And you know, you have to thirty. Why why don't you wanna fight me? And DC keeps reiterating like if brought can't make it your next. That's it. He's not backing off. Yeah. He's he's fight Brock for the money. I think Steve will take should take another fight. But who would he take who's who's interesting for for steep immune system to fight any? What is your mom? He probably feels fight that he should just fighting for the no, no, I agree. But I mean like, what's he do does? He wait for the winner of Brock DC, then they just give Derek Lewis has shot a DC. And then what happens you give Ghana was shot at either Brock or one of those guys. Or what what do you do? I think he's going to be back in the mix after the DC. Versa. Brock fight. Maybe I liked. I mean, I really like steeper. I love to see a guy gets shot, especially after defending what four or five straight times, he broke the record. It's just harder to sell that fight ended in one round. And they're both nice guys. Let's be honest. John Jones fight will always sell 'cause there are people who hate us fucking guts. You know, a guy like DC is disliked, but he's not a shit talker. Steep as loved like neither one of these guys villains. Do you understand what I mean? Yeah. For sure. Defenses. He was going into the fourth one against DC. Guy. John Jones, John personally every time I've talked to them like one on one. Whether it's like mean, there's the I interviewed him on the road now. But like, even when I'm in Vegas if the cock pill always talked to him. Always always seems like the same guy to me. I forgot to ask you about Jackson wink, wanted to ask. But Jackson the drama with Mike Perry. Was there any drama? Did he care at all? I don't know. Jimmy. But let me tell you listen John Jones in him. We do we. 'cause I got something else. I got something to say before, you know, that's fine. I was actually just going to bring up a little bit of quick news. Let's do that. So we talk about my my new series. I'm watching after what is it? I'm going to tell you the second Brenna kimonos at ESPN. Dana white apparently told him on Saturday night that Israel and Addison it and this is not official, but. Hold on. Hold on. I hit the drum. Exciting for mission. Unofficial by the you know, this what I told you this. But Dana told the beyond that Israel. Anna Sonya is probably gonna take on Henderson Silva. I heard about that excited about it. We'll call where I don't know what you're talking about. That would likely be the event on UFC two thousand four Whitaker versus Gasol on February ninth in Melbourne. That's right. That's why he went to Australia. Wow. I mean, listen, man, I'm big on the fucking list island. I really like him. And I liked that. I told you that you have a checkout told you with a smile bitch, the girls giving them less thing guy. We showed him. Why love that? I like his personality personality. I love his fighting style. I like him on the Mike. I like his hair. I don't know. I seen him in person talking hit the hair pick in there. I can't do that. It's really annoying. So after you have see Atlantic City at that. Okay. Now is that on the boardwalk afterwards grabbing yourself a little taffy? Tell us. What happened? Oh, and by the way, Jimmy fuck you probably wait in a hot dog line. Go fuck yourself. I listen to the beginning fucking episode. You remember always probably supposed to be on the phone earlier. And yeah, it's probably want for a line of something. Now, probably hotdog line. That's right. I forgive you. Should you even do is talk about fat? I look good though. Jimmy, right. I didn't look average. Go ahead. Christopher. Not even like, really, I was out on the boardwalk in Israel and was at that event. And I saw him walking by this friend, or and I should have got up to like, hey, I produced do you can put me, but I should have gone to story. I'm trying to. Around this tell the story again, you tell us I don't think I was looking phone for tonight. Atlantic city. Okay. Is this a funny story dramatic story? So what I what I was just saying I should've approached it something I regret not not going because now everybody's gonna is. Yeah. I mean, obviously story story. I liked the first of all the story, it grows on you open up, the more you tell the store, you know, we open Chris's walkie hands in package AC. It's being stalked by four. He is he seen Israel last on the ball friend, and a friend and he didn't say any Christmas. I should've ties to talk to him. I see I'm trying to think what the arc would be for the miniseries. Ten episodes. Mini series. Have any more news? Well, what do you think about all? Oh, I think it's I think it's a problem for Anderson. I I got out of the fucking time machine. If he drove that DeLorean to fuck in whatever it was, and and Fordham that back in time that'd be different in his prime. I think the speed did. We did we do we talk about this Amerson. No with Anderson Anderson about this John Jones about Anthony know, what the fuck would you talking about? No, no. No. On a little bit before that maybe something we could bring up. About this. But I agree right speed. And accuracy is going to be an issue there. Yes. Yeah. I mean, look, but again, one of the guys who were talking to before pointed out, the Andersons bigger guy. But again Brunton is brunch. Went the distance with Silva, and he knocked him out in the first round. And even though there's no threat of. There's no threat of being taken down usually by by by Anderson probably could've had to. I mean. Jesus Christ certainly fucking finished shell on the ground in round five. Right. I mean, the clinch the tie Lynch could be an issue in that fine. I mean, obviously style vendor shown that he can he can get out of those positions and stay at this since. But that could be you know, one of the elements that he's not used to fighting against and Selva. You know, I think it's probably it's probably an Israelite. Yeah. I always say that that's a good fight fridge. I was happy when he knocked out Brunton that showed me a lot because nobody expected a first round knockout of dark Brunson. And that's that's. Well, unofficial. But that's been announced. Dana told me that the last time I saw him. He's he's like he's fighting. I wanted to say so bad. Just what finally have the scoop? But listen good episode. It's so much fun. Jimmy, John here the news the new series. Sure. Jimmy. Yeah. I got a new action is this not an official Mets movie minute. Well, it's not a movie hit that thing. Anyway. 'cause I want people to pay attention. Mini series. Hi, everybody who works high. Now. Listen go now. Now, I talked to my buddy over there at Kaleida Kristen hall off. All right now, I told you I did not show collider. About all geeky shit that I love movies. Oh, man. Giants Shing dancing. Yeah. I'm sorry. But listen. I asked about this. I don't know if I got a nobody really pushed me to get it. But then I was on vacation. And I told you my brother-in-law's me Ed Redman. Yes. And Edwin like myself a little bit of a man shot. Yeah. Yeah. Big man big three hundred heldman child, and he likes a lot of people bother him in the Parkway. People hassle heads blown guy came up to me. Like, hey, you know, what have you know, you watch the fights? He wrote the Bob guess who's the big guy Edward next to be? I think people walk around like a bodyguard people like pick on Edward and trying to be disrespectful. Not really. I can't he's a big guy strong, dude and could get so what's that? And he can fight fight. Maybe can fight with there. And I was talking to him about the this new app for the DC universe. I don't don't make fun. Why you like to see universe app? It's. It's. Call. Jimmy. Oh shit white gonna make Shogo logo cry. Fuck. Jimmy, listen, Jimmy. I know I know of tuna at all. I'm right with you. I'm right with you. Oh, just charging. Upset that women. Listen to Jimmy. It's listen, it's a DC streaming service. Do you know the chess champion? Listen to me. Well, sorry. What I like about this these as you get all like DC content and one of them one of the things on this these it's easy. It's only like seventy five bucks for the whole year. But listen. Jimmy, let me tell you be signs. A lot of like, you know, those cartoon movies. I told you about like the the flesh point paradox and like hard seen it do you like it forget about that. All that on this. But what I love what I am. I let me tell you. If this was on HBO was something people be talking about this fucking show is does. Could you let me talking about this? I'm excited about the show. You let me talk about the UFC. Have. You're not wrong. It's called titans. It's called titan. I've heard of it and oh my Jimmy what Jimmy. You know, how I like the Netflix like the mobile shows on Netflix, dare devil. Yes. I they will they will like the gold standard for me. Like dad the first day of double in the second season with punish the punisher too. It was cool. I think this might Trump them all I like the way it's going to want to know shit. Okay. They explain everything. It's basically about dick, Grayson. Excuse dick, Grayson offers, rob, and that's Robin. And he's a bad mother. Jumper in this, dude. I clean up my aunt language. Teen titans. Team titans. And it's a cartoon with them. It's very goofy giddy and my kids this movie, and it's, but this is not no, it's not definitely not the kids hardcore shit going on in here. Hardcore hardcore fight scene. Where can I see this? It's on the that's the thing. Yes. You know, what they stop at a why because this is like the net flicks. For nerds if the DC universe app, I told you do it's like seven something a month or seventy dollars for the year. I don't content all the content. I mean this thing I I don't binge-watch shit. I watched four episodes are there twelve or something? It's like the knife one season one season. I fucking love this show. I'm so into it. It's so cool at the characters. Good. And it's it's. Because you'll get so I'm gonna say kid, I know things are done. Well, that's what I like Jimmy. I character Jeff GAO f f who's that isn't air cash outta character. Jeff Jeff Jimmy Jimmy is not a character. Jeff. No. But let me tell you a little possessed girl that. No, no, no. I I gotta get the names down. I'm still new to this. Sure. But I I gotta go back on collider. 'cause I gotta keep I was gonna hit. It's another guy like I'm closer with it. I really end this guy Christian. Fight and I was on the show. So now, I get excited about kick stuff about the text on Sunday. Go I'm not that close his night. Get bothered on his family blown. Jimmy the show is titans. This is what I want you to do. And it's got into it goes back to Edward. He got the thing. I see rose house, you know, over in Florida after Disney's in Tarpon, springs know, we visited thanksgiving out there. You know? Nice. And all we had a good time. We had a good time. Has turkey. I free pasta. That's what I do. Okay. Thank you. And it's a mistake. You don't like Turkey Turkey. I don't like Turkey too much. Sorry. Jimmy, listen, Jimmy. So Edwin heat downloaded this thing. I and he was both deep into it. Right. If the thanks giving I watch he pitched four episodes right there on on his on his iphone. We'll watch like kids are all over me. You know what? I mean, the kids will only. So when we got back. Oh, by the way, really quick let me just tell you my disaster, I know closing souvenir. Jimmy, I missed the we had to drive back to Landau to get home. We got a two o'clock flight on the way back traffic than my youngest threw up a little bit. We had to pull off the road. Go back. We miss the fucking flight. But what time did you leave for the airport? Two o'clock flight to flight at ten o'clock four hours early. How far is it a couple of hours away? So you didn't give yourself enough time, obviously, not car carsick. And you go back if you tell it to my wife, you know, what she'll say I have to get I have to get. Four people ready. So that's not including yourself. That's my three kids in me. So Schily's you guys left. The wanna go to get carsick which happens, and then you had to go back. Yeah. Kubeck with you said we have the pull off to a restaurant and cleaned up a little bit got back on the road. We got there we missed it by whatever how many minutes wake boarding the plane still there the plane was still there the one fifty four plane Bhagat the fucking thing by one thirty. You know, we may have we had a lot of Baker put on we understood fuck, whatever I I knew when we're not on our before that would not get most likely on. So so we had to get the rent the call too. So then we so you know, what we did was they booked us on an eight o'clock flight six hours at the medicine that, you know, with the my kids at the catch up on homework. You know, the anyway, so we get on this in flight, right? Just hung out. Yeah. We hung out at the airport old day like fucking Tom Hanks in that shitty. Movie. Could've been home ready. I wasn't. I could be hanging my family. But anyway, and so anyway, so we get on this plane that listen there was I never dealt with turbulence like this in my life. It's one of those things where if it's just you one thing, I don't give whatever had a good life. But I'm like, yeah. I feel bad for my kids. And this never happened to me on a plane a fucking threw up a little in a fucking bag watch. Why it was that bad? It was bad Jimmy up over story was when we were like in the descent, but then it was it was fifteen minutes of like Bill. One of those kids. I'm looking back, and they will pretty cool except for my youngest one girl throw up again, the one I thought she was. But so I was because we missed it. We put them three in a row. My wife's across with them and the other and I'm in front of them on the right? You know, whatever the row of front. So I keep looking back. I think looking back making sure they're okay. Got my belly upset where you in cloud. So he couldn't tell it was dark, but he's not the worst though. Like, I go into Seattle. It's like it's a Jew like that. Those are HARA even though you know, you're safe intellectually. I know I know what the plane looks like just doing this fucking fine. Doesn't interfere at all games. When I do. I put my headphones on dance a little this is true. I was so nervous going into Seattle with heavy turbulence. I saw that. It was not good. But I bought them lines. I was just kind of like moving a little bit. And you know, what this in the fucking plane jostles, you're already moving. It's not as rhythm. But if I started doing the robot, I did have no rhythm and the robot would have been an improvement. But I didn't. Care how I loved all. I cared about his not being scared any more. There was a robot. Titans. Scared. No. I wasn't. I was scared. I was getting one nauseous though. But when it landed it makes you just want to hug, everybody complain was dropping we had such a good time. But listen back to titans the casting Jimmy. Yeah. It was shitty. But we got home. We had a great vacation. You know? And I'm having that key. What you guys, but let me tell you something that I want people this. What you do you go on YouTube, and you check out C you could see little scenes on this show titans titans on the DC universe. And you see clips rob in fighting people have fucking them up. And you see this. Oh man is couple. Okay. I know. It sounds really good. I'm not going to be doing. This is Robin has little capon Robbins Abed, Robin, actually has some issues man, like say like, you know. Like, he's became a maniac. Like he starts fucking people up. It's almost like you. Gotta pull them off them. It is I am so impressed with his show that I wanna talk about it because I want people to get. Okay. Think I I have no dog in this race horse horse races. Now is there? I would always said I don't have any dog in this porn. You know, I was watching German pill. Now, let me. Or after he was with Batman. It's well, it's not before that me and train the other be that's a real nerd does. Not before. I don't know the deal. Batman had the train them. A all go with the his parents. I don't get into it. But, you know, the flying Grayson's we know the story, but they go in to you know, they somebody cut the they went to go. They were doing the little high. Sure. What is the trapeze? Somebody will somebody the fucking did a sabotage the joker. Fun of making fun of funny is. Anyway, guys. Listen to me get that these universe app. You don't have to if you're a geek like me you should because Dan the show titans. Good chicken out on YouTube. You might wanna buy what else cares? No. And just to be clear. I don't know if you guys really understood how empty the boardwalk was when I'm there. It really was scary. Right. Because you see is not a great now. And this and now the style benders walking by. Don't frightened. You know? He didn't find me. Listen, this was wanna show. This was fun. I enjoyed this lead your Batman back on back. And thanks John Jones for coming in. I I really enjoyed talking to John of happy. He's back fighting. I cannot wait for this fight with Gustafsen. With Gustafsen and congratulations to in Gano forgetting the ship straightened out. This is a big week for us. It is so coming in next episode. Should we tell them when though we have rumors maximally coming true? I hope I'm sure it's concussion stuff is okay, or he wouldn't be fighting him and Brian Ortega fight next week right or to December eighth weekend. Okay. Good. I'm I'm doing chip chip Persson in Philly the seventh. So I will go home after that and watch the that'd be wonderful. I can't wait. I'm gonna go. Find a girl. Our KOMO making love tour. The last thing I love watching fight. So I don't to see the shape. I'm in compared to these guys. Yeah. Yeah. Brian tag with ponytail. Ooh. Fuck him. Let's all worked up for you know. No, no vote episode. Jimmy anything else the plug? That's it buddy. Chip tippers, podcast and Sarah, JJ dot com. I'll see you that Sarabi J J on Instagram Thursday. 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Episode 52: Jon Jones, Alvarez, Loughnane, Zhang, McCann, Pea, Vera, more

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Episode 52: Jon Jones, Alvarez, Loughnane, Zhang, McCann, Pea, Vera, more

"The. As and gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday, June twenty four two thousand and nineteen. Everyone American Hawaii. Welcome back to the program. Hope you had a lovely weekend. It was another busy, one in the world of mixed martial arts. And to be honest with you. We got a busy one here for all of you today. Loaded show, once again, stacked from top to bottom who's who joining us on the program and a lot of fresh faces a lot of first timers, if you on, I'm always excited when we have some fresh faces on the program. So it's going to be a great day. My friends, happy Ceja t stay to ya. If you're celebrating and watching in Canada, happy birthday to my mom our most loyal watcher listener viewer. She's been watching every single minute since you came over here to ESPN tomorrow's the one year anniversary of our first show time has flown. I think this is episode fifty two, I think we've done a full year's worth of shows not to mention all the radio shows and all that other stuff that we're. Doing the bad guy whatnot whatnot. It has been a fun year. And this is a good way to celebrate the one year anniversary. So, like I said a busy weekend in the books. Bell tour was in London. There's a new bell tower middleweight champion. His name is rough L Levada junior. He defeated. Giger masasi. What a great fight. That was if you missed it, I suggest going back and checking it out James Gallaher got back on track. Who else got back on track Aaron chompers got back on track? Fabian Edwards got a big win as well. So some good performances. None. That really sort of blew me away, so to speak, but solid performances and the kind of wins that I think the belts were breasts wanted to happen on Saturday, more thoughts on that card by the win a whole bunch of other things that happened in the world minimum on my usual Monday, ESPN dot com random thoughts articles if you want to check those out, please do. And of course, in Greenville, you have made it stay over there and beautiful, South Carolina. Anna. And Crean's ambi- came back and knocked out, not just fifty eight seconds. I was really curious how he would respond from that loss. Two year Rodriguez back in November, that was one of the most heartbreaking losses devastating losses that I'd ever seen recall, literally a second left in the fight he rushes in. He gets knocked out with that crazy. Inverted elbow. What to call it backwards elbow? And it appeared as he was gonna win the fight. Kriens ambi- was gonna win the fight for some reason he bum rushed him. And by the way, worth remembering that, when, when we criticized Mr. Brennan, lock Nane kind of funny, how that all works out. But anyway, he bum rush. You get knocked out and we have not seen him since then, and I was wondering how he would respond. He's a guy that kinda wears his emotion on his sleeve, but wow he responded and then some an amazing win a beautiful right hand. I mean, the whole thing was perfect. It was just fifty eight seconds long, but it was just an incredible performance and incredible bounceback performance for the man. They call the Korean zombie chance on junk. So we'll see what happens to not to Moi, that's to somewhat devastating losses in a row for him coming off that loss to Josie Aldo other impressive performances. Randy Brown had a great one. How about Andrea Lea and Molly mcken with another great win. Doron win had an amazing performance in his debut. Louise. Pain as well. So a lot of talk about their and of course, the you have C returns this Saturday in Minneapolis. They've been there twice before you have eighty seven back in two thousand eight was the first time you remember that show seek, and destroy they call the GOP versus John Fitch. And of course, Brock listener, Minnesota's own against heath herring. This'll be their third show that one is headlined, the one on Saturday on ESPN Francis and gugans JD as I would be shocked at the winner of that fight does not fight for the heavyweight title next. All right. Here's our lineup for today. And then we'll get to our, I guess of the day, the aforementioned Lewis pain, a-, aka violent Bob Ross will join us talk about his big win, over met, Wyman rough L Levada junior as I said, new bell tower midway champ. We'll talk to him at three twenty five. How about John way Lee, who is fighting for the straw way title on August thirty first against just drudge. I don't think we've ever had a Chinese fighter on this show. John will be the first I'm looking forward to that very much. She'll be joining us from Beijing. By the way, John Jones. Yes, Jonathan Dwight Jones will be joining us at around two forty five he's getting ready for Santos in less than two weeks. I'm looking forward to catching up with Johnny bones. Liz car moosh will meet Valentina Shevchenko in Uruguay second time they fight. She beater around nine or so years ago. They'll be fighting on August tenth, and we'll talk to this car moosh about that big opportunity. Brennan lock name. We'll talk about not getting the contract following his win last week on the Dana white contender series show, and all the controversies surrounding that Doron win will stop by talk about his debut, his victory, the fight of the night bonus against Eric spice spicy on Saturday. We'll talk to Eddie Alvarez for the first time since his loss his loss at the one championship fight that he was a part of just a couple of months ago. His debut for one championship. It did not goes way had a gruesome. I entry will see how he's feeling and of course talk about his return in August. And the aforementioned Molly McCann will stop by at one fifteen talk about her big win against Lipsky this past Saturday. But first, let's talk to the man, they called Cheeto. Vera Marlin VERA, he was supposed to fight, Sean. O'malley UFC, two thirty nine. Unfortunately O'Malley has been temporarily suspended by the Nevada State, let mission after traces of Austrian came up into out of competition drug tests. So he's going to have a hearing in July the United States anti-doping agency, isn't going to suspend him. Again, he was spending for six months by two and the. SEC a few months ago because of Austrian, but they're saying it's the same traces, however, Nevada has some questions. So they pull them from to thirty nine thus leaving Marlin era, at least for now opponent lists. So let's say Hello to Mr. Marlon VERA, who joins us right now. Marlin. How are you? Yeah I'm good. You know, I gotta keep going forward on the sharp, but the end of the day, I might fight somebody and I in my head, I'm fighting on. I'm losing way until they told me you're out, okay before I ask you more questions about that. I just have to address the elephant in the room because there, I am on Saturday, enjoying the fights minding my own business, and there's Marlin Barra, tweeting me. I think we have the tweet is this, the tweet there it is someone I guess, asked on the show. And you said, quote hell drama only promotes drama, and I was like, well. What's up with this? What's what's going on like that? What do you mean? Like what you like to promote the extra the stuff you mean like the fights like like the stuff that people really care about like, you know, the theatrics and the rivalries, and the grudge matches all that stuff. Yeah. But you like I wouldn't gets deep, you know. Anybody's good. You know. Grants congress but it's over a hell drama. Where's respect? It's a good nickname. I didn't know we had beef Marlin. I thought we were cool. Oh, we don't widow have. Okay. I like around. All right. Fair enough. Well, you know what? When I saw this nothing bad. When I saw that. I said, all right now, I want him on the show because I like drama, right? See, I got insulted you to me here. It's all good. Well done on your part. So thank you for that. I appreciate it. So what was your reaction when you found out about Sean? Well, I was in with the family, I was in MMA, Masamune, we were in the restaurant, and then I got a text from my Monday, your number normally tried to grab the phone when I'm with my kids, but then there was something about finals league so opened up the text messages, and then it was monitoring the coaches. Hey, they guide test positive or they explain me. I understand I was like, well, let's move forward. You know what I'm saying? There's no time for going, and setting salt and the guy you junior hours, usually. Okay. Move on. Let's, let's one five I take like five or four or five in that week or less Nari. So I guess there's a lot of guys like me out there, but I guess, not because nobody has taken. Do you believe the story that this is traces of the positive test, or you have doubts? I really don't give the ball what my alternates are fighters does. But let's be real positive. You've even if it was by accident you take a supplement. There's, there's a fun number. You can call you can call to ask ache and check these type of frauds, they will tell you look that certificated. It's all good. Or you know what the ingredients nukes, fine. But it's not certificate. So it's easy if you just positive is your console your dome. Go yourself you fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Like I everytime, I wanted to Bill or new superwomen Eichel. I have gifts Novitsky phone number. Everybody can have from number ten further. Yes or no? If you're driving, and you kill somebody is your phone you so for him. So it sounds like you don't really feel bad for accurate. Oh, I don't I don't. I don't give to my family, my friends, and that's it. When this was announced, I noticed that he was sort of making fun of your name and calling you Cheetos, and all that stuff that, that bother you. I don't even reply for that. Who who is the guy he fought to find that he barely win the series? No big deal. So I don't think he's over hyped. I don't even care about that, that good for him. You know what I'm saying his kind of famous now, so I don't I really don't, don't mind those things Barbie is wanna fight. And what, what, what my last three performances is what, what really count, you gotta go in their fight heart of finishers, guys. That's what really matter. You know, you can say whatever you want. You can talk, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Were you surprised when they offered, you him just because it seems like they're trying to build him up? And like you said, you've looked very good in your last fight. You're very tough opponent for someone like him Reese apprised that they were matching you guys up. I feel like this that it will go on, then we'll really good. It will break the ranking something like that. And probably going to do something good with the with the so I believe the winner will will will get all the good stuff the money, the, the petunias and stuff like that. So I was I was looking forward to all that. So this past week, we had John Lineker, who's supposed to fight rob font and Lineker had to withdraw from the fight. So rob font was left without an opponent. It kind of seems like the most obvious decision is to just make you versus rob font. Have they have? They talked to you about that. I saw that endorse. I, I kind of like to people, I know I've already did once when I fought in Argentina needs are, isn't what I signed for it. When I what I'm fighting. I really wanna heard got in front of me. I really have not no fills at all. So what's funny is really straining with us very legs like go out your Ceasar 'til you find anybody. But really, I os is them. Like the moment if psycho me, our or is too much Persian. Mary, but I feel like is working. I don't like to them on EMI's not be fighting for the title or something really big. So there's there's too much into nine and then there's a lot of fighters to. So I'm not tripping on that. Okay. So you are friends. We're not best friends, but we could really cool. And then, you know what I'm saying, like is only our boy, if I would him, but you use kind of respect that you gotta be also a man, and if you guys are calling the pas, and then there's nothing really there's not too much required of that filing. The winner will get shorter. They wouldn't get all these money on this. I, I don't feel it's worth okay? The ones I was certified Frankie science in Argentina and they. Oh me somebody. That was my friend, of course when that now's the five we were not friends anymore. So let's. Where do you think you will remain on the card? I so have they told you I hope so. They have anything I the only a minor air hits nothing for now. What if they say the only way you can remain on the card is rob font? Well, they're ready. Maybe probably they raise should say before they haven't said him. So that means they don't wanna do it. Okay. You know what I'm saying because he's five Pulau before mine. So they could easily be like okay much. But three days happen or today's and then they haven't seen anything. So I guess that's not the right move for them as I said, before I got to be honest, I'm making up. He just were to fight somebody, you know. Yeah. No, I respect that I respect you saying that how how many more do you think you need to win before you're in that discussion? You know along the algebra sterling's and the pewter Yan's Henry, pseudo champion, how many more on your mind. All they know already leading was number five on. He's only laws was Seagate, which was a champion. But then, so they know I fight, they know they find anyone I don't I'm not too. Big it with on the I'm always threatening. I'm still losing weight. I just finished turned right now in my head. I'm fighting. So maybe one more win. You know, I finished last three guys and then I got those laws decision in Brazil, they don't want my way but before they want three so, and then kill her when he was what he was with momentum in a Renault hero have dad, but I did when he was kind of like being a prospect. So I'm done to take any Fido there. So there's after call me, they know I find by the way, how is your daughter doing? We learnt about her, and you're trying to help her out how she doing. Can you give us an update? She's a great man. I get into surgery right before the fighting LA with China's guy now. She's minding his Munnings awesome. Now's my little my little daughter here. My Avon is with me right now she come to training, but unopposed grant, she now you can eat better. She couldn't speak better for nonce better, her English makes easier when you can move your mouth Betty, so wow. I'm I'm a greatest sport. And then that's what I care about being happy. That's it. So the surgery was success was says my daughter was just mile. Wow. That's amazing. And so, and you have an eight month auto she comes to the gym with you to watch you. Yeah. My wife brought in her, she's Will Carling around. Okay. I thought you just go with her just U2.. Oh, no. Not have funded the security guard, and how old is your son. My son is four years old for disease understand what you're doing now. Yeah. He's like that Caesar. No. You don't. He kind of understand they don't really know for real. They don't get all go down. They want you to win. They don't understand like that. But I cannot wait to, but there's there was supposed to come to watch me find, so we'll see what happens the whole family, the whole wife, three kids would that be the first time that they all go? No. When my wife was pregnant of, of my daughter there. What you're wearing LA staple center watching refined. Okay. Maybe almost came out because of the nerves and everything after the first round is that true. Okay. I guess the nerves are pretty high. When my friends fight upstream, I'd find taking my wife watching. I bet. And so let's say you get a fight on this car. Would you like? I mean, it's too soon actually, I was gonna say Uruguay, but probably not going to happen, right? From water her everything is back on till Mexico City. So I'm well like you know, I won't get upset. I won't cry. All I fly mom here to home in calm. I lose money that you don't get nothing of crimes. I will be like ours, from particular who keep turning. But anything I know if I don't find nets wick, I might be our until September really good for me. But it is what it is. Anywhere. Maybe they can they won. You know what I'm saying? When happens you kind of. You know. Making a big deal research, Kreiner are, you know, just having negative thoughts issue Maki wars. So I relate go as soon as told me if I were to ask I usually go. I remem- folks, I still shar, but there isn't too much you can do you can control not been inside. So I didn't put receives uniting and I use the Sepe. You know, did some go and relax at some point down the line. Would you like to get that fight back with Sean? Oh, I said, is before they over. Ms the future. I take is fi. I'm gonna guy that I always I lose to this guy jump to rungs, give to find I get paid if I win. So wherever defied. That's why I don't I bless have to fight. All right. Well, I hope you get that fight, my friend. Good to have you on the show for the first time. And thank you for calling me out. I appreciate it. Just to go ahead. I was going to say it's not only about the drama. It's just about stories. It's about stories and this was a good story. And I swear, you may not believe me, Marlin. But after this news came out, I swear, I was going to reach out to because I wanted to get your side of the story. I swear and then you created that I was like, all right? It's happening. Yeah. Okay. Now, I know how to get your attention. You're stuck said to you. We've Rijo bunch of bro. Extent that's fine. You can do whatever you want. I have respect for my friend, all the best much, and I hope that you get the fight. Thank you for doing this. Okay. All right. There is go Marlin Cheeto Veira hoping to get a fight on the two thirty nine cards allies six in Las Vegas. No longer fighting, Sean. Molly, we'll see how that whole situation pans out. Okay. Let's go back to Greenville now and talk about one of the big performances, one of the big wins on Saturday. Our good friend Meatball. Molly mcken had a big performance. She had a big win. However, I have a boat. To pick with Everton's finest mama can. Let's go to the big screen over here as I hold up my Everton mug. Molly, I we should have had the clip ready to go because you told me after you want in Greenville, you would be here in studio. With me is that not true. This is it. I'm gonna go to implement subs. Okay. Well, I don't blame you I'd rather be in Italy as well. But I was little, I was a little disappointed. I wanted to see you in studio. I thought that was the plan. But long lecture save distance square. One. Okay. Maybe in November. It's a deal. Yes. Congratulations. On the win. I still can't believe you fought three months after the way. You're I looked and that surgery. How does it feel? It's a amazing. I'll tell you what saw annual this. Oh. Oh my gosh. What happened? She pulled it. Washington was often. Okay. So does it hurt? The put the ear buds in. The proper squinting. I'm sorry about that. Well, and so the is okay held up fine. No problems. Now, actually find aerial actual Scott out of the tuxedo from the both of just arrived at my friend's house like life-size apple. This is all good luck partners as my box toil. Wow. Look, I notice Molly look at that nice hat. I like that. You're American hat. You got over there Yang. Was that wasn't your first time in America was it now animal twelve times? But first, I'm fighting in America. And did it feel different? Mom, I was more relaxed. Why? I'm just a believed I was ready to start a. It was just there was no crash because it wasn't home. I was the, the dog or multiple name. I just went out into the best performance on me. Life really wasn't it? You think that was your best performance ever? In teams of tactical fights, fighting toxic Leah 'cause I've been in fights, and I've been woes technically toxically, I did what I had to do to win. What did you like so much about the performance in particular? News. My hats and just try to knock it out. I box clever. The game was the hit and move ahead, poem and nine county strikes on a on a whole life room. It was Jamie, the lost fifteen seconds. When I threw down to the floor said, lex Gyles was, like vintage all. Yes, it was amazing. The crowd loved that as well. Speaking of the it seems like they really, they really took a liking to you, and you seem to have taken the lead into them. I've never been to South Carolina. There have been to Greenville. What is it like there, because seems like you loved it, yet it was like being an American live appeal. Everyone was just everyone just gave me free sloth a just was taken around the gym, and Greenville, amazing experience. We've been shooting balloons shooting shackled. Hey on now on the Wednesday before the fight. So I was like shooting Gooden's, and they was like, think you should do this in case of your shoulder Bill. It was fine. It was fine. A manager says unlucky to moving what was wrong with your shoulder. Oh, no often. But just in case they recoil on the gun. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Okay. So then it all works out, and I wanted to ask you about something that someone wrote me on Twitter, someone said, like was Lipsky over hyped. She now Owen to now you know, did we have too high expectations, she's now lost to you and join Calderwood? What is your take on? That might take is just let you know that she just fought two of the best flyweights in the world. There's no shame in that now that you've been in the cage with her do feel like she was over hyped. I sent my fight with Lipsky. Joe Joe's fights Lipski was two quite different lights. I think my foot way was hauled, if a hate to pin me down to hit me with a weight, Jay Joseph multiple tie. So she just stood them hot wool. And then when she wanted to take down to a definite, you think you have to look Iran's fight to see how deadly she is. I come pull people away the same way she come a show. I don't in would offend a I was expecting the best vision of, hey, south Tacoma. Fight me on socks because she's just the loss and she was after that win. So she's movies another. And I just I notified there she do. And I got a close which canal to the top of the head. I didn't really get much Donald anywhere else at the main take too much. It was just a small fight insensitive, a hog Feith. I didn't even get onto face gave really. I'm sorry. I think I don't Bradford, just talking columns compose, which is quite new. It feels like at least it was sort of like a cage wars versus kit's, w fight NO. You're proud of your roots. Did you feel like this was a victory for your former organization? Yeah. Percents fail like came. To win away or title. And an denies ation is Maas. If obviously, the goal is always the Iraq both. She is go. Call up of the still Buteau. Does that anyone wanna wear tight when they feel divisions to know to me, and on, on the same cage while they alone me bring the ball if you on the today and the title shot, so? And publicly anyone the best in your obviously still beating sponsor. It was nice that we met in a Medicare unavailing about she was a face opponents. Never likes smartphone. Bought on a face to mulch at the way, ins really respect as a likable pace and on a really light fighting style on. Yeah, it was just being really enjoyable on, perhaps, my favorite moment of the fight is, when you took her down, and then you wave to the crowd. Why did you do that? Until I didn't think it was going to be as easy to take someone really way really wakes wrestling show. Hard real our name. I wanna talk it wasn't just like the like it was like a slum Josie. And then I just hit the crowds go. We had me. Just look, I looked up on a series Saturday like nine Colorado. So I asked to show Americans what was about show. You the better class of Bittel. Flashy nece in. Stoicism baldy. Aren't they? Well, it's wonderful to see you seem a lot more comfortable in there. Like like you are truly at home in the UFC. Right. Lost Jillian Robertson feels like it was ten years ago. Now. And now with does it was still hold me less fight. Let's fight with Spahn when I walked into the cage a long fairly calm and tame. Now when I was woken, said to my coach, I'm not scared to be on gold on gold on is ready to go, and it was an it's nice failed room rebel in me. So you're saying in this fight camp. It was still haunting you or going into the last one. Yeah. Knavish come it was still the so I felt a win in the AFC I felt a lot of USA, and I was so scared. In case I went back to the to the loss there were still some demons. I add to get rid off on a Fink performs through everyone. I rely on to all the trolls we said on she's this, she's on. She's Beal by performance as my performance at the total control me. What did what did it mean to you to have Michael being interview after the fight? I Shea Stadium in the week come loose. Richard speaks to me about well, he would say when I was fighting on your best win. 'cause you bristles on on our name, you pay the way for the Brits. So today to be like a female version of him. I said, on the female, you said. Got one goes. I, I'm all I'm all for Dr rice left on a Sunday knows maybe I'll take a fight against Shevchenko until weeks. Notice out if Nuttal. She's a softball beatnik Ruckle. I was like, maybe in the sauce. That's amazing. How quickly do you want to return and niggling injuries? The understated along affect me, hems drove home. On a just wanna take. Maybe full to six weeks covertly today. Okay. Did you get confirmation? It's broken. Not yet, but. Oh, I love an x-ray sued when did you break it. You know. It's the second round I should go on attract try to make it look like I was show boating Bickel radio. I was like all. Man. So, okay. So hopefully no surgery and you won't be out for too long. Have you ever? Even with Sanjay alone Belgian see week. I know you're believable, you're like wolverine over there, by the way, I knew something on Instagram and maybe it's an old thing, but I didn't notice it before I noticed that on Instagram. Your name is Molly McCann Pearson. Is that new? Now my stepdad do passed away. His last name was pacing show. I just took. I just took not. I don't when Molly. Married to a few years ago, 'cause it's not I didn't put only passed away, saying in the cumbersome will. That's my dogs, Leslie. Okay. But did you just recently put that on your game revolts had it there on? Okay. I try to pick up on these things. All I'm engaged now. Muzzle toes. I hope. Yes. I hope I'll be invited to that whenever that time, you know. It'll be a great party. Today's. Yes. Well, I felt bad. You know, when Liverpool won all that, you know, it hurt me in the heart. It was tough to watch wasn't it? You know, seeing data till and all those people celebrate. It was just a little much. The weekends. I went to boom, which is by. Islands a book sound south to medicines. I had to leave because it was I knew it was gonna happen. Awesome. I mean there's there so smug. Right. I mean, they're just act like you've been there before, okay? You know what I mean? Congrats see when y'all team win. The yes, yes it was great. Big as Champions League or FA copper, those really big things, but it was a nice little feather in our cap for my country. I hope you are rooting for them as well. Like I've adopted your club. You see. See on fight week of putting tweets say they listen to dri on fight leaf an almost like. Now, I didn't listen to Jay. That's silly, Drake. Curses no more. It's not a thing anymore. Dylan. Dana's crushed it. I don't know if you heard now. Update ya? Hosting case. Well, this, this looks like a phenomenal place that you're at the banners behind you. It seems like a great time over there. Time. It's amazing. Well enjoy it. I can't believe you did this. Right. Right. From the airport. You're real Mench. Molly, thank you. Thank you for doing and enjoy and get well soon. Okay. We'll talk to soon. All right. There she is. Molly mcken Meatball Molly always. I tell you every time I talked to Mullen McKenna, I'm always in such a great mood. You know how do you not love her? She's just always so positive. Oh, so happy. And that was a great win for her against Lipsky. I'm not ready as I as I mentioned to that individual on on Twitter. I am not ready to. Say that Lipski was over hyped. She had one nine in a row going into that fight. Yes, it was against maybe lesser competition case. Wsb WSB very good. So it's no knock on case W, but Calderwood's very good. One of the very best, I want twenty-five and Molly McCann is very good. Those are tough fights, she's living these days in New Jersey training in New Jersey, and maybe moving her her training to, to New Jersey and. Working on her wrestling will go a long way for, for Lipsky lest. We forget, one Crean zombie chanson junk, lost his first two fights in Zucca back in the WC days, of course, the first one against Leonard Garcia was highly controversial, and most people thought he won the fight, but the record book shows that he lost those two fights. And so losing to enroll shouldn't be the end of your career, but you do have to adapt and flyweight is coming along way, a lot of tough fighters, a lot of wrestlers at flyweight will be talking to one of those later in the program, Louis car moosh, who will be getting title shot against Valentina shift chanko. She was supposed to fight Roxanne modify on July twentieth in San Antonio. But they moved car moosh from that fight to fight shift chanko on August tenth in Uruguay. And now monetary fighting Jennifer Maya who she lost via split decision in invective. See around. Three or so years ago, matter moments, we're going to be joined by former UFC and Bill Tor. Lightweight champion. One Edward Alvarez will be joining us. I've been trying to talk to Edie Alvarez for quite some time. He is often an elusive fellow but he is kind enough to be joining us. He fought in one championship back in March. Unfortunately, lost that flight to Timofey nasty you. He will be returning to action in August looking to get back on track suffered a gruesome injury in that fight against Timofey. And so I'm looking forward to getting his thoughts on what? When wrong his recovery remember that injury that I intrigued, we have that photo, it was like his eyelid just split in half. It was it was gruesome a very, very scary injury. But glad to see that he's okay. He was a part of our Hawaii roadshow. There's the entry right over there. I mean, look at that whoa. So without further ado, let us say Hello to Eddie Alvarez on that note. Eddie are you there? Well, now we're looking at your your eye, but I think we can't see you. We're about to see you moments. There you already. How are you? Doing all better. Oh, better. Wow. Well, it's good to talk to you, my friend what happened there. Can you tell us what what exactly was the injury? This. Yeah. Okay. I had a torn coronal, which is part of the retina tour or detached. And then I let my I laid so. My top eyelid. Bottom eyelid splitting. Splitting hairs during from punch, man. And how long did it take to recover? Wasn't. It wasn't super long. Maybe like to chew weeks for the coronal. It's not non-surgical the anything no surgery done. And. The island itself, they stitch, it really well, in Japan, which I was lucky. They did a really good job and that was probably like three weeks time something like that. So did you feel that right away because it did seem when he landed at punch that it really affected you in that was kind of the beginning of the end. Did you feel that right away? And if so, what did it feel like? The worst injury that I've had in my find baby sixteen years now. So never had anything feel like that. I never during a fight stop giving about the outcome. The opponent I immediately didn't care about anything other than getting a hospital fast fossil felt like my, my wall kind of like exploded and, and then I can feel the air, getting into my I like directly in my so it was more of a I don't know. It was more. It was as career-threatening. That's, that's what I felt like the immediate immediate feeling you saw your I was gonna fall out. Now fall out, but I was getting gossip blood, like a lot of warm blood straight from eyeball. And I thought that I it my I am odd ball. And I thought you know, there was a possibility of maybe site an issue with site. So I wanted to get that hospital soon as possible. Even when we got the author, they were doing they're messing with it with stitches doing stitching eyelid and then out of nowhere. I had a gosh of blood coming out of my. Almost like I guess, like a blood blister. Like the kind you get on your finger. When you pop on the, you get, like a burst. It would. I had that, but I had it in the white part of my so one of the pop when I was in hospital. It was it was nasty man nasty night while okay? So in the end, though no surgery needed, correct? No, surgery was. Detach kuroyedov. I don't even know what I'm saying it right. But on they told me no surgery. And that should be healed up within two weeks or so. And then just the last ration- of the eyelid just wait till that heals. All those obviously a lot of attention on this fight, because it was your debut, you left the CU sign this big deal leading up to the fight in Japan being back there when you start with a new organization, you're not new to this, but there is always that, you know, that feeling out process. What did it feel like just being in a new organization for the first time in a while? I didn't like the immediate tension. I was getting. I thought goes on deserved. I didn't I didn't get into wins under that banner. So. I don't know. I like going into promotions. Kind of playing the underdog and earning earning. My respect. So I feel like I, maybe that's why I don't know. I saw consciously lose my debuts in promotions. Just so I can have to fight for something. So I don't know men, but I love fighting in Japan a love going over there. The sleep thing was a little difficult going over there. And just in for thirteen our sleep pattern thirteen hour difference that was difficult. But other than that, I felt mazing I that's why I took a flight immediately. Like I took a flight in August, because regardless of the outcome, the last point, I got so much better over that four months of training for my debut that I just didn't feel got the show it. So I took a flight August second just because I felt like I gained so much momentum and. I got so much better as a fighter that I wanted to play that, but you can understand why there was a lot of attention on us a big deal that you were signing over there. No one hundred percent. I just don't like. I don't I felt like I was getting a lot of not I'm not saying the tension, I'm fine with attention, just respect like. I don't know. I feel like respect this kind of earned, it, it's on deserved until you go somewhere and actually start beating guys and become the champion a thought. There was a lot of already on respect there. I don't know. Do you feel more pressure to justify the big contract? Now. No. I don't think I've seen some online a little while ago. It's like you're not you're not paying me for a flight. You're paying me for sixteen years, you know of of doing what I've done. So I don't I never look at it like a here. Now thing like I don't, I don't get paid for my fights for what I do for fifteen minutes inside the cage, I get paid for being a lifelong Marsh artist for doing this for, you know, the twenty years of my life. That's why I'm paid. And in this particular you fought a when seventy. Right. Because of their their, their way, cut rules. How did you feel about that? A. Yeah. I love the fact that. That was a hydrated way in that. I didn't have to. I have to wait but I'm still trying to figure that whole thing L. I don't I don't there's no way I can make one fifty five hydrate. It I can't do that on. There's no way I can do that. And play by the rules that, that I'm giving. But I felt like I want seventy I did feel like the guy was a lot bigger than I was. So I needed to figure that out. I mean, how is that even possible like there's just no way, right? And how do they even how could they know if you're height, what do they do to find out if your hydrated or dehydrated at one seventy as opposed to one one one fifty five, how do they determine this? So yes, before you even weigh in. So if you don't pay Cidre ration-, you won't even you won't even get a chance to weigh in and pass that. So you have to pay the hydration first and foremost, you have to call and UPN a cop, and they tested with the I don't know. It's like a metal pen, stick or something, and they cast it there clarity of the P, and she if it's it's hydrated or not, as long as it's hydrated, you have to go away in after that. And then hit your hit your one seventy are under more as long as you do them to things and pass then you pass that test for for that day. Okay. Wow. And okay. So when you step on the scale though, you're one hundred seventy pounds, correct. Not one fifty set. Now one fifty one seventy fully hydrated. You can't be like, if I step on one seventy and my piece, neon green or neon orange. Like, like it is, when one fifty five there that I fell, okay, and as far as the organization goes, just, you know, you've been in organizations before, but there's so much attention on them as they continue to grow. And now signing a lot of fetish for America, the way runs operationally and all that stuff. What was that like for you? Incredible. This this show itself is like nothing that you'll see here in America. Air-minded me what I thought back in dream the they present the fighters, like old school pride before the matches Sartre. They present the fighters and then they on they got the war drums in the beginning. The actual show itself is it's, it's an incredible show to go to if you're, if you're hardcore Mitch martial arts fan, or even if you're not the show itself is electric inside. It's a weird thing with with the fighters leaving the U of C. I feel like there's some people who in, we're we're maybe I'm wrong like almost like put an evil eye out there. Like they, they root for you guys to fail outside of the U of C to justify the decision not to sign. You do feel do feel those eyes on you feel like there are people that are happy that you failed in your first fight outside of you have to say, look, we, we didn't sign a move the right thing to do. Yes. But they're I mean, they're always be people who are happy about my salary, but they're the same people who are happy about everyone else's fires. What I learned over a stretch of time in this sport. Like with fans and things like that of the nothing is personal toward me. I never looked at anybody's bad feelings, personal toward me. It's usually a Alon about, like what's going on with them personally? So, like, if someone's wishing for my downfall or want something then on me, it just says, more about themselves than it does about me. I don't I don't pay attention new that. So I really just really try to focus on my fans and they encourage not yet from the people who are, you know, saying, good things, did you feel like you gotta love afterwards, who's on. Who's there your son daughter? What does she want? She needed her pokey yoke. Did you feel like you got a lot of love afterwards, especially with the injury? Yeah. I, I, I always get crazy amounts of work win or lose. There's always haters. You'll they'll never go away but win or lose. My fans have been Whitney. Like I never looked at this sport. Like one fight this, this fight means everything, I never looked at it like that. I'm in love with the sport of mixed martial arts. And I've always have been, I've been a long-term thinker. Not won one championship won anything. Everything I've done was over the course of many years. So I have a different way of UN things in a normal fighter or a normal person who's been in sport for short period of time. Timofey is very good. Not very well known here in America. Did he surprise you at all? I knew I knew we had the wrestle at some point. So I think I waited too long to wrestle, but I knew going into the fight, we're going to have to wrestle to take away, this guy's explosiveness his speed and its lows of nece for how big he was, was shocking, that was usually when, as a guy gets bigger as they get more muscle bound, get everything you usually loose speed. And you lose that, that pop. He was incredibly fast like, like a like a feather weight, fast and very explosive. So that was shocked by that more than anything. But I knew going into the flight, we we'd have to wrestle at some point, and where that out to be able to even even up the speed difference. So on. If I was surprised by anything it was this speed in explosiveness, inside there you looted to this earlier. You lost her. You have see debut against Donald Sironi, did you, did you take any positives from that experience and try to remember them as you were dealing with this one were there any similarities between the two experiences? It sort of came to mind, when we were digesting all this, like he lost his, you'll see, but ended up becoming UFC champion. Did you draw any similarities between the two experiences? It was just so long ago. Ida different thought out of different mind than like after this aronie fight. I probably sat. And dwelled on that for so damn long that I lost pressure training, hours trying to understand why. And, and if I did this. And if I did that and I've done that for fights in the past, and that's been my biggest regret is just kind of dwelling too much on losses. Walling too much on fire versus just kinda understanding. It's, it's part of my process, just got to get my fee way. And just continue focusing on continuing to grow each day. And that's kind of what I'm more proud of myself that I've lost. And I didn't let it affect me the way I let losses affect me in the past. So that if I if I grew any way, if I showed growth in any way, was that, that I didn't allow the loss to kinda take control me. I just it happened. A was I pissed off. Yeah, I never liked the lose. Competitive. But I got right back in the gym and continued to get better. Have you been punched in that yet? Yeah. Yeah. We've been sparring quite a bit. And no, no, no reservations, as feel weird. No, no, okay. Great. The fight that I think everyone at some point, I thought maybe they would do it in this next one, they went with Edward. But I'm wondering if Shinya Aoki is is on the radar. Are we going to see that fight again? I'm sure he is. I'm sure he is. I mean that's a trilogy. He got me one. I got him. One. For me. I just I badly want to be fully his tall. The bell is been. It's been the champion over one and he's a hell of a fighter so I'm barely just want to be the former champ. I need that need that under my under under my bell. And then I can go ahead. And I see that being a natural progression. Fully hang to Okie to somewhat of somewhere near title shot from there. Is it possible that you slide back into the tournament of someone falls out? Is that on the table? I don't know. I don't know what's possible. I'll be ready to fight. So whatever happens that be nice. It certainly will. Yes. Or would be nice. I should say, yeah. It's been interesting. I do you find. You have some kind of connection with DJ and sage since the three of you went in there. I know you're not connected as far as training, or even where you live. But it does feel like we've kind of group do three together. And you know, even DJ's fight that night was very tough. It didn't go sages way. He had the surgery do feel any kind of kinship with them or am I making something nothing here. No, I today Jay. So we checked back and forth on I, I look at office, sort of find yours for the sport. Not DJ's, Don. It all seen it all. You know, he, he to me is probably the best guy do it. Nobody's dummies Donner even came close at some point fighters are gonna have to stick up for themselves. They're gonna have to find out what they're worth. And there's only one way to do that. You gotta have the carriage fight out of your contract. And she what else is out. There are so DJ was brave enough to do that. I was brave enough to do that. And so a sage regardless of criticism, regardless of what the, the masses are going to say. Sometimes you have to do that in order, for anything to grow, and I think it helped sport grow. I think people are understanding one guy, does it. Two guys do it in next thing you know, on people understand that there's a, there's a whole nother larger market out there were worth worth a lot more. We're selling yourself. Short eddie. I appreciate it. Very well said, I couldn't agree with you more happy to hear that. You'll be returning in August. That's one championship one hundred Don of heroes and I'm happy to hear that. You're, you're is doing okay as well. And better luck next time with the trivia gave him the game your best shot, but I got big plans for you. Okay. So I'm hoping that you'll come back, you'll go back to the drawing board. And we'll see you next year. Right. That was an old college. You see you badly third. See. There, I would have loved to been next. Stephen. That was it. That was that was a dream seat you gave steep. Okay. I'm sorry. All right. Next one, I owe you one. All right. All right. Thank you. We'll talk to soon all the best to you there. He is the king himself returning in August. Great to see him in good, spirits, and great to see the eye doing good as well. All right. So that's a former Bill toward champion. Let's go to a brand new Bill toward champion, the brand new Bill tour middleweight champion the one and only Raphael Levada junior joins us right now. I believe he's in the airport leaving London is is that accurate Rafael? Yes, sir. Sorry about the circumstances. I'm getting ready to hit the Spain for a little -cation. I got this spinning cherries, background. I can now look at that stuff and not lose my mind. So I'm pretty happy. Well, I'm sure you're happy about the win as well. No problem. This is what we do for new champions. We changed the whole show round to accommodate your schedule. So happy that you're able to join us. No problem for a few minutes has it has it sunk in just yet your your bell tour. Midway, you just be one of the greatest fighters of all time gig massage on Saturday in a phenomenal fight has that has that reality sunk in. Not quite you know it's also surreal I dreamed it so many times. And then, you know, for it's actually be here is just like you think I because I saw it so many times in my dreams that it'd be like, oh, yeah. This is, you know, I was ready for this, but not really I'm just writing the this amazing wave of momentum and energy in love right now, I barely slept at all since the fight just received so many messages, very grateful. It was a war, and it just felt like a rocky movie. And, and I mean, it was surreal, just a real, you want via majority decision. One judge actually had it forty seven forty seven how confident were you that you actually won the fight? I knew that I was able to pull three rounds. You know, I just wasn't sure about that was a fourth round when I got dropped. And that's what caused that one judge that have draw. So I was a little worried that everyone else might have seen that as a ten eight. But when I heard the first judge say forty-seven the they read the first score as draw in the rest weren't. I was pretty sure at that point that I was going to be able to get it, but it was extremely close fighter definitely came down to that fifth round. Now is your ten pro fight. You've, you've competed on big stages before in jujitsu. And we're looking at some great scenes courtesy of bell tour from the fight on Saturday in London, but did this feel different for you? I mean you're, you're fighting a legend, you're fighting for your first major title, you're fighting in the main event of a big show did it feel different? Did you feel more nervous in the early going of the fight, and maybe that contributed to your performance early on? You know, I wasn't shoot to nervous. There is definitely a few moments roll like okay? You know, need to be very sharp. Like this saucy standing in front of me going into the fourth and fifth rounds. You know, especially after his powerful third round and the momentum swing man. Two more rounds. It was a bit of an intense moment. And those are my first time to championship rounds and I'm doing against a legend guy that's been there so many times. You know, and I dropped the fourth round as well, but then that fifth round, I dunno man, something just came over me and it just said, you can do this. Let's go out there. Give everything you have get this round. This is your time, your, your chance your moment, and I was able to pull through and I'm very happy and proud of how I got that fifth round my very first fifth round ever against one of the grades in victory. So yeah, I'm very, very happy with that in that clip that we just show. There's a moment where your mom actually goes up to massage. Thanks him for the opportunity for you to fight him. And it seems just based off your social media that you're very close with your mom. I see mentioning her showing pictures of you and her can you talk about your relationship with her? What, why are you guys so close and does she usually go to all your fights? They were seeing your mom very happy fights as well. Yeah. No. She is all my fights dad's in my corner. You know have a very very close. It's a team, but, you know, it really where family and she's right there. She's the kind of the centerpiece of love for everybody. And, you know, something that we always do we always give respect to, to our opponents. And, and, you know, she, I think she could see them saucy was pretty this appointed. And she wanted to stop them and wish him. Well. And of course, thank you for the opportunity, because, you know, he is a legend. He has a chain he could fight basically anybody he wants and he gave me the opportunity, so. I think it was really cool. The my mom was able to do that. I fortunately did not have the chance to massage his hand after they read off to the season he left so quickly. So she kind of did it my place. I guess you just turned thirty six happy birthday to you. In fact, if my math is Craig Saturday was your birthday right? You want this on your birthday. Well, no, actually they wish me happy birthday a little early. My birthday is tomorrow, Tuesday, twenty fifth so, yeah, I already got my gift early. And now I'm offer vacation for my birthday as world chant, man. It's, it's incredible. Well, that is amazing. Okay. So I guess online, they need to update that because it says twenty-second is your birthday, but nevertheless, close enough, and you only made your debut in two thousand fourteen meaning you're what thirty two or so little later. And of course you had you had a great run as a jitsu practitioner. Why did you enter 'em may later on in life? Well, you know it was all about. Like making sure there is no regrets, no point in my in my career where I will look back and say, I wish I would have done more into jitsu wish would've. You know, try to win this tournaments more anything like that. I gave everything I had until the point where I felt like there was nothing left for me to prove I was very proud of my career. And I always knew at some point I wanted to do and you know it worked out great because there was Ardy in my thirties. Mature. I knew exactly who I was what I was fighting for. And I've been able to go on a great run since. And I think that's why in two thousand fourteen I believe you had major shoulder surgery. And you posted that photo recently, I think we have that photo where you were telling people at that time when you when you suffered the injury there you are after surgery. And saying, you didn't know what was going to happen to your career, if you'd ever be able to really realize your potentials and may fighter. How did you suffer that injury? And do you remember how you felt sitting over there in the hospital? And if I would have told that guy around five years ago that you become a champion and Biltmore and beat someone like air Masasi. What do you believe me? He definitely would not have believed you my whole life was on. Pause. Everything was up in the air in that moment, is definitely one of the toughest darkest moments of my life winters, from deep depression, coming out of that. I actually suffered that injury training. Shitsu. You know, it was just a freak thing and just nothing crazy. Marm didn't like role behind my neck or anything like that my arm actually barely moved. But it was just the way the forces were in that moment. It just snapped. My, my shoulder. Couldn't take it. And you know that whole process really made me find who I was and really align myself with what my goals were, and what I wanted to come back. And once I felt like I had a second run it left inside of me. It became all about imate and just sort of like being young again, having that dream as I did when I was a kid going up shit suits, become a, a blackout world champion, just re- reset that into may and I told myself that, you know, I think it can do this. A five year. Run in basically have made it to major. We're gonna say, Shen. Just climb the mountainous quickly as I could. Every fight has been harder than the last, and then next in there with the legend in all just man, it came together in a beautiful way. It's, it's incredible surreal. And you guys were supposed to fight back in January, and he pulled out because he got hurt. My understanding was they were thinking about booking Yoon another fight. Did you feel like the gods were conspiring against you in that your title show was being taken away from you where you worried about that? I was very worried about that. I didn't understand we didn't understand the, the extent of his injury and how much time he needed. So I was left in limbo. Wondering and I try to stay ready because I thought maybe it could just be a quick turnaround something we could do a month or two later. And, you know, if finally looked like it was going to take a while, and I did consider doing another five, but I was like me, and I've already put so much of my energy, I already did half a camp. All my focus was set on him. I just didn't feel like go anywhere else with my focus as far as intimate. So I did a couple of gravity matches just to stay busy. And then I got the call. And for me it all worked out even better. I had more time to prepare and we got to headline London. I got to bring on my friends and family, the London and do this big show. I mean it was destined the way it went to go. I do you have to do you have to board your plane. I'm good. She just gave me a thumbs up. I have I have seven minutes seven minutes. Okay. That's amazing. I'll ask you one question. Machida musashi. It feels like it's a two horse race as far as who would be your first held events. If you had your way, who, who you picking? Man. I mean, it'd be awesome to fight Machida. Another legend and get that experience. I just spent seven months thinking about Masashi pretty much every day because of the postponement. So it'd be nice to be able to put my mind somewhere else. And think about someone else for a little bit and get a chance to face another legend. I'm not sure what Machida plans, are if you want to say two five or go after the middleweight title, but it'd be an honor to make you my first fence the dragon versus the American samurai and then you know. Michelle Michelle saucy pick up another win or just wait. Whatever he wants to do, and we can do the rematch after that. So. Okay, my name there. You are. All right. Do your thing. My man congratulations to you. Thank for doing this, while you did it under a lot of pressure. And I didn't even notice. So thank you for doing it. Safe travels and happy birthday, congrats on the win. Thank you very much for having me. Sorry about the circumstances. And I'm used to the pressure as you can see absolutes. Next time. All right. Thank you. Well, done rough AL Levada junior. That's, that's a stressful situation. Right. They're, they're calling you on, on the loudspeaker. You got to board a flight. You're going to Spain to celebrate with your family, and he didn't. I mean I would be sweating. I did a sportscenter interview sorry namedrop on on Friday and it was one percent left on my camera. And I was freaking out. I was like sweat pouring out of my head. I was so nervous that it would shut off in the interview, and this guy's just shown planes about the leave, and he's Chilin talking to us. Well done rough AL Levada junior new Bill toward champion beat gig Masasi amazing. I have a feeling they'll go with Machida next. But. Let's see what happens there, because you can make a case for Masasi earning. A rematch as well. Great performance from him. Congratulations. Well done Levada junior. All right. Let's move along to our next guest. This was a big story last week. We spoke to him a week ago around this time, Brennan locked Nain the mckeon. He went to Las Vegas. He fought on the Dana white contender show. He won. He looked impressive. Dare I say he had the most impressive performance, and yet he is still not a member of the I talked about it at length controversial decision. I'm happy that he's on the show. I'm glad that he's giving us some time here to talk about it all Brennan. Thank you for doing this. No problem, anthem derives on your show twice a week. That's what I'm talking about. Listen, you may not have gone a UFC contract, my friend, but you have a home here. Okay. I was impressed. You should be there, and we'll get to all that six days later. How are you feeling about all this? Yeah. Feeling fine. Like I say. The only thing you can do in this life is going to be best than that. I did that. So what everyone else says those after the ice is their opinion wherever I went to all in that five all do have you watched the fight again. Based on what you remember. Is there anything that you wish you could have done differently? Go for a dollars. Okay. So let's talk about that because I can't even believe that you, you say that I understand why you say that. What is going through your mind? Let's say twenty seconds left you have any recollection. What's going through mind that leads you to shooting for that double-leg? Yes. So is the point so lead up to that fight the Plum was I'll Joe's good everywhere. We could mixon Tate. And also did a prefight thing was said, look, all all you Kate guys absolutely slated. From dot wrestling so far. You know, a good wrestler for show in the fight to the spur seconds left, that can Brenda points, points crews and get a points. The biggest goal is to take down, which is, which is confusing. Because then you get told now is not. So what was that really are so, yeah. Beating the guy up on the on his shots and mixed over to take down for chilly. It goes from your contract. And so when you hear that, when you hear that explanation, when you see the reaction what is going through your mind as a mixed martial artists like this is being painted as a negative thing as, as almost, the thing that is a detriment to your performance as almost illegal in a way like it's such a horrible thing. How dare you shoot for take what is going through your mind? When you're listening to that. Kind of confusion, especially when I grow up in spoke up in alongside Al to take down on you wanna fight it used to be like an now obviously detrimental get concepts of the show. And I just wish it was explained bit. Stop. No buying up -solutely. No problem. Do not other showing it. So if I want to know what not what, you know, a great thing I did what? After the fight was over you go to the back. What are you thinking? Do you think you got it? I wasn't sure the United stone at cruise what he thinks he's on several good. So did it all. And then oversee you putting for David, you told knowing not moment, was was very nice feeling said illness, especially when light. You know, I had a great before was never guys on the show is you give me someone that's free. And I'll show you straight killer and seeks salvageable the hottest file everyone. And when you have to fight against high level, opponents saw the Feis also, there's, you know, right when when, when you have that scene where you guys are sitting there, and you're listening to that expansion. What is that, like? Crazy to go about twenty covers on your slows people stood there. And it's like you gotta come before you facing sold. No. He's like no one tells you to get to do you like what do now. I kind of felt right? And so even if someone says we want straight killers in there. The thing that I'm having a hard time coming to terms with Brendan is that we're not talking about you shooting with sixty seconds left or ninety seconds, left and laying on top of your Ponant just writing out of victory. We're talking about ten seconds here, very likely. You are not knocking him out in those ten seconds. If anything, you're going back and forth. Okay, it's a nice little sequence, but we're talking about ten seconds. Don't you feel like this is all getting a little too crazy? Like it's a little overblown what we're talking about here. Yes. Specially when you grapevine airline lie ego and buck of fall short y'all. I mean good shots on a great fight at the whole place done in on the everyone homeless defy. Just. Aw, with kind of performance show. That's what you want out. We in the entertainment business, and we definitely entertained an adult think over Pfizer very entertaining, disrespect to them. Well, you know, families that they went and got Trump's Hoppy Franklin on the show. A definitely think additional. What did you think of the apex that, that, that new facility now that you actually got the fight in there? What was that like gotten surreal it was a four hundred over five before four like, kind of like an empty room, and that sorta felt like cycowicz feeling like especially your great fight and user crazy. Crawls, go is mental. There's none of that going on in like is really subdued atmosphere, and it makes it very real. Because like say there's only a handful of Pete. Well, it's probably about lot of people in that when used to find in front of what five thousand is actual Priscilla is in the arenas. Incredible. Do you feel like there's more to this decision, or you're just being judged on the fight itself? I have no idea. I've been warning you over for about six years. And I've watched number six seven eight fifty twelve signed on this stage. Get much people's Asha Johnson approp- accountable took this opportunity, the first one that came a going a well cluster fall and you still don't get one. So now don't go nowhere so good. So not to give me a good off announcer to get. Over show. Okay. So you're not a conspiracy theorist nothing else has happened. I'm trying to figure out if something else has happened in the past between you and the of see someone there just to kind of make sense of all this result, the same question every day. Okay. And to the best, your knowledge, there's nothing. I, I can think of four four. A fall Novum park. O'neil file pup guide is a all my oaks NFL Bill. Joe on every single one of them fights Imbaba storm as you go. What Jamal great performances and then yeah, I'm still. It's all about why contracts is crazy to me on this. And so, to the best of my knowledge they have thirty days to from, from the fight itself. So from last week, if you win on the contender series they have a thirty day window where they can sign you is that accurate and about really read aside. Maybe you should. That's my understanding. Meaning if you lost the fight you can go sign anywhere. But for the next now twenty four days, you can't go sign. With someone else tomorrow. They have the rights to you. I'm just wondering did you get any kind of impression because I saw a lot of people afterwards say this is all part of a master plan. They're going to sign him. It's making him into a bigger star. They're going to pick him up. Did you get any impression off camera behind the scenes that you're someone that they're still very interested in and you have a chance to be signed? No. Where did he was speak today to why only time I've ever seen? Dana why in my whole life was gonna cage shook his went into buck of never seen him since noticing it will fall, if this must applaud this first news, I know. 'cause nobody spoke to myself. David exhibit, even Celso thank you know, and matchmaker, executive, no one went to the back to speak to you afterwards. Thank you for coming. Thank you for the fight. Thank you for your time. Good luck. Nothing. Wow. Does that surprise you? I mean the wall signed for assigned prizefight for contracts ago. No pine on the buck. I don't anything like say lead fi at a great comp every into the file when every single round be the guy to death. Still get what went also now it's time to. On and see what's, what do you even want to resign with the U of C or sign with you? I should say, do you have any interest after going through all this, if they called you tomorrow and said, we have an opportunity next month for you. Are you interested? If the US was, I don't know. Sister hard minute, especially we're only six days, I'm showing over it. But right now still going to take, you know. I know that Bill is going out and trying to sign every free agent in the UK. My understanding is they actually did speak to you. Not that long ago. But you wanted to try to hold out hope to go sign with is that accurate? That was a few people that was fell case w that was Bella toll. Yes. Every single one way out for, for the contenders to try and make up. And so, yeah, that's where it was without so up for me show, a little communication with all. Do you regret that now? No, no bit on an opportunist, a lot say even though this was the lowest money, least opportunity was the best opportunity for two won the contract in so's of financial gain it with the lowest in terms of like these, these ballots owed. PF L is when a million dollars in five moments of some of the of office. Really good. So like you say it's not to do all and end all go bucket. Look at them. Yeah. I'm excited for the future. We'll yeah. I mean you take away any, any silver linings do you see any silver linings and all this? You are a lot more. Well known. I mean Wednesday the day after the whole MMA world was talking about you. You were the biggest story that has to be good, right? That's definitely a plus, if you can say, I mean, if you look at the citizens of talks you about and no one really, to see them at least now up in justly. Don't you could say in front of the world? Everyone got every poll mean you Thomas and all of shows, Evan did a breakdown and show. You saw PC's run. Legend. It was legendary and it was hot wallman donkey, Evan got behind, especially yourself. You know, you kind words it was great to see it. Definitely chip. We'll pull the winds volley with broken the host did you in fact break your nose broker knows his blow? Yeah. Okay. Well, I let me ask about the knows. Do you need surgery on the knows? No realistic, my first rodeo. Okay. And, and the peeing of, of blood is that a common thing for you, not once before about five years ago. It was sort of give me a lot five of an empty goal. One was in an end hotel, remove the fi waltzes. As I said, I'm not going to document because civilly coming our made leave all the net. And it's not flower show, everybody will I rarely into the sport. By on his to grow. Yeah. And what is that? Like when like blood is coming out, like, does it feel different does that hurt. What is that, like? Suppose? Like y'all noble. Oh man. And. And how long does that last? It was just what just one. Okay. All right. Well, I guess it's. Can you please message? Yeah. And what's speaking of which what's going on with your Instagram? You've been locked out of it. What's the after the fight you have see the UFC highlights on my fight? Oh, yeah. Repulsive put on all of the sudden, you've been plots? I got blocks the most important time on his to grab Ed vote, she to see my, it's to grow up and fly full five day. So I'll let molested sorry to the and are you back about a business. Men when when it rains pores on. They got you from both sides there without aerial kicked me out a lot. My gosh. The man holding you down. I can't imagine what it must be. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise. I can't imagine what it's like the fighting the fight like that fit your heart a break, your nose urinating blood win the fight and then have to go online and hear people say, you're not a killer, bro. You didn't. You didn't leave it all out there like these people who've never fought before doing the balls to fight in, like it's just amazing that we're breeding this kind of fan. Right. Like what exactly does a killer mean what does that mean killer? Like, I feel like you would never even hear that term be used in boxing, or any other combat sport. I want killer. What does that mean? It's, it's such a sophomore term. Our sport is better than that, in my opinion. And so, I can't imagine some of the stuff that you're hearing. Say what would from from the days when we started putting clothes on? And we side rules. I tried to show a full array of martial arts. Like I said from me live Evelyn, says we wrestle. Oh, you guys get pulling you economy. So I go out with show, you ought to take down a D while wrestler, which having the people of does not control of on the floor. Take a buck of a block belt. Be with seven right UN's showed every faucet of mixed martial arts for fifty minutes, which he the second, locate knockout, Mike is shown Mahfoud diverse as shown can hang with the top guys on a fault outs what we were in this horrible, clearly, the premise dot show is on salvage a killer killer Brennan, derail killer. Now I spoke to last week about some of the other disappointing losses in your career, you've only had you only had three but, you know, Pat Healy and Tom Dugan wa. Are you starting to get those feelings again? Like screw all this. I don't wanna do this anymore. Stage now twenty nine seven seat of free should be looking at what twenty zero. Saito could see Lexus loss to fight in the best revolve, where you really go for man. I think now to be a very good often Allen in Chicago. Right. We're gonna give this this make it with a while right now. Is there anyone of note, or anything that was said to in the aftermath of all this, that really really stuck to you that you were surprised as person reached out to give you some advice on how to deal with this while if you to see my inbox insane, and it was like Paul Daley, sick message? Let the Sal, we will there's just so many Coleridge it hot while investors don't bro. You know, every time something like this happens, you always end up. Seeing why he rarely do it. And the people watching your fire in a from his file people say, no. Like I say, I'm so could shoot lost his fight just smash the guy free Rawls. It's like I have a feeling a lot I'm show blow on this. Plenty more to come for me, as you can see. Yeah. And I'm just curious. I mean, it's hard to know in the moment, and it's almost not fair to Poona Soriano. But did you watch his fight either? During or after you found out. And compare like your performance to his and say, like how did he get an I and I not get into you. Think about that at all. These guys very green five and free getting in this. Oh. SO. I sees a veteran. Alan got on a world class performance of all of these guys military respect. But, like I say, if you give me someone free, no and someone as inexperience that you'll see what, what is fingers what they're talking about. If you're gonna give me a UFC level fi in a world class opponent than specified might not so not nimble say I've to hod is night by far. Yeah. Did you talk to him afterwards? Did he talk to you? My opponent. No Puna could not spoke saving. I suppose that the heavyweight guy he was sat next to me, he was at home. All really nice. Guy us I was showing highlights of five resigned. Look it up. Wall is a killer pro. Called poppy, these little kid bad now proposed for him. And having dominant Cruz in your corner, I'm sure that helped us well, especially in the aftermath. What did he say to you? Broke. We were all broken, we all left down, not boss. Mike a lost the Winfrey ralliers all decide all down. It was I. It was I WI fi, you shouldn't have to feel not the Beatson was awesome. Definitely a real feeling of Dominic as a team with would help me. Okay. So say the wrist of close out on the end you get into confronts, maybe have dominant dominance, blessed and tell them out, it was, maybe not wanna help all of a sudden up. So God knows what can get into the US. L. Where do you go from here? What is your plan now? You're just going to sit back and wait. You wanna take some time off what, what's your line of thinking? Yeah. Time, offline those of golf definitely got thinking today on a well what was going on? Because like I say it was is an eleven year, journey, not just a this is eleven years of the spot now on, it took me six years to get buckets position, Kuka contract elect Maha shoulder to get come. Trump's still wasn't enough. So now I have to reassess what my goals three goals from Stein fight while was to find you see what was the headline the arena, where live on one was to fight in Las Vegas done all free. Signs of reassess where we go from there. Okay. So, so even though. This particular thing didn't work out people. Forget, you did have your chance in the U of C. It's not now in your career where you probably want it to be where you feel like you're, you're really firing on all cylinders. But I think initially some people might think like, wait a second. You didn't get chance funded UC. No, you did. It was just seven years ago. And again, I think you deserve to be there and you should be there and the idea that you're not UFC caliber can hang into because you went for take now attend. Still gives me I can't I can't imagine how you feel about this friend, but I'm happy to see that you're in good spirits, and you're not letting it get too much unless you're just putting on a front right now. And, and you're very good actor because. I'm very frustrated about all this Brennan, but I think I think there is a silver lining tall. And I think that a lot more people know who you are, and you become a big story, and I think you become a, very sympathetic character in a lot of people are now pulling for you to be successful as possible. So I hope you know, that there are a lot of people who have your back in, and they, you certainly deserve to be fighting on the biggest stage possible. Thank you. Thank you Bye-bye. Shoveled message pizza yourself Thomas and everyone involved in this situation. And let's see this might not be knows knows what comes from this situation. I say publicity. So let's hold tight with this. Well, all right, Brendan well done my friend, get well, soon the nose, and everything, and the blood peeing and all that. And I hope that you remain in good spirits, and that good news coming your way. Thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. And don't forget you won that fight. Okay. Try to remind yourself. You actually won that fight. That was the w that goes on your record. It was a job well done. Thank you very much aerial. All right, there he is. Brennan, lock Nane. The can I get it right? For once someone just wrote, I don't wanna say because I'm afraid to say it. Let me see someone wrote it to me just here. Moments ago men. Kunia n- men. Kunia n-. Okay. I screwed it up before wanna get right? Thank you stamina. Mc men Kuhnen. All right. The man Kuni himself respect that man he should be in the should be fighting on the highest of stages possible. And if it doesn't work out there, then so be it. So be it. But I still can't believe that we're talking about a takedown with ten seconds left. Take with ten seconds. Not ninety seconds. Not sixty seconds ten seconds, ten seconds. Unbelievable. And by the way, it's a very busy time in the world of mixed. Martial arts to also very busy time in the world of pro wrestling, and my guy Peter Rosenberg was so shocked by the main event at stomping grounds last night into coma, Washington that he is actually dropping a special reaction. Podcast this afternoon. Yes. A special reaction podcast coming from Peter and the crew find out what the whole quote unquote shoot era of cheap eat is all about by listening to cheap. Eat on your favorite podcast player. Let us move along and say Hello to our next guest. It's been awhile since we've had skirmish on the program. I'm happy to say Hello to now she fights for the UFC women's flyweight, title and August tenth against Valentina Shevchenko. This fascinating match up. We say Hello to Liz car moosh. Liz, how are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you for joining us. What was your reaction when you found out that they were moving you from the July twentieth fight against Roxanne modify to a title shot against? Valentina. Shevchenko. Super exciting. I mean, I think you know, from previous talkies me in the past that I went. I'm always aiming for is that championship. It doesn't matter who the faces holds the belt. That's what they're Moishe working. So to have an opportunity to school right in it's perfect. And fortunately, we were already training for of as, if it was a championship fight just because why not overtraining be prepared essentially sprint through a fifteen minute around. And so it was just extra time to get ready to were you caught off guard by this? It's rare to have someone like move off of another fight and get a title shot or did you think after his last win that this was something that could happen? No, I never thought that I get a phone call and say, hey and lieu of doing the fighting Roxanne's it'd be for the belt. I, I never thought that I was going to happen. But like I said, I prepare this championship fight is always happen. So in one sense, very much in other sense prepared impossibility. And again, a lot of newer fans might not know this, but you actually gave chanko her first pro loss back in two thousand ten what if anything do you remember from that fight? I think the biggest thing is that is such a shady organization. I because really I think most people don't know, like you said, is that fight. I was actually supposed to fight her sisters because we had a very similar both rand news ima may very inexperienced, and then he had who'd been doing it tenure at least just an in combat working general with more time Boston previous to that. And then we got there we look to the poster like that, that doesn't look, right? Wait a second while she's sitting softball, and the hairs law, not Vernet. I'm really confused. They're like, oh, yeah. No. My contract says it's the other sister, but also take the fight. I. Yeah, and so one of those things the last minute they showed up tried to trick me put the fight. Anyway. We're able to pull off a win with the like ten seconds left. Fifteen seconds of fight cutting with a second do think that they were in on this do think they try to actually try to trick you. You know, I heard a lot of that thing for the fighters that fought Orgainzation shady things. I don't know if I know I'm hard down downtown camp. They were just as spices, we were they didn't know the confusion. So as far as the cancer, it wasn't like they were trying to do something chassis, and trying to do something that was questionable is a fighter patient, self was to my knowledge doesn't exist today, fortunately, since this happened other fighters and the name of the promotion, by the way for those wondering is seen three fights, and that's in Oklahoma, which did you know anything about Valentino when you took that fight against her on short notice. No. We don't of research, just because both sisters were refining. And I think originally they had mentioned her name in my coach looked up. And he's like, no, she's brand new. She's only been training for few months, you know she'll she's down to fight, but she's just not conditioned. She's two of the sports possibly going and fight. The sister perfect makes sense absolutely of. So we did look up a little bit, but not too crazy. 'cause she really wants a moist I fighter in boxers. Definitely not really into intimate. Whereas, I think we're both to note that point. So it just made made for a good fisa gestion fights, the other and end up being. And I tried to find footage of it. I was having a hard time could you tell us how the fight went out played out in the end? You one of your doctor stoppage, I believe going into the third round, but could you tell us how it actually played out? You know because it was very vague still new like her like, I think it was the second third fight profile for me. And I don't remember much about that night. I remember like not being well, lit nothing warms up a being very cold and I just remember with an uptick, and I was able to cut over the eye, and it just wouldn't stop leading, and I have bleeding into variety. And that's really significant. I remember seeing covered head to toe in for blood, and I'm trying to stop the fight or not being able to answer the Bill because of the cut over right? Wow. And did you keep tabs on like, are you surprised at that same person has turned into the fighter that she is today? Did you keep tabs on earth throughout? Yet the note. So at that time, I was really surprised because it's my understanding her specialty was time boxing. And she's just kinda like doing the things to try out not really her interest. So the fact that she has I she did. Yeah, absolutely. Suffice skillset wife. Not at all. I you know, I saw then obviously we all feel now is that she's very field fighter, so to see where she's I'm not surprised what else are very surprised because I thought that she was back from time, boxing and pursue that career. So for her to continue with him as a real pricing. Did you watch her last fight against just guy? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Once you got that built I was sending her watching him since. Okay. What did you think of that performance, just exactly what I did? And intimidated. I honestly I thought she was gonna finish her in the first for straps the second room and called exactly going to happen. She set it up with those inside takes body kicks. I thought Hans initiate myself and it just happened happened the second I. There appears to be gap between shift chanko and a lot of the players in that one twenty five pound weight class. We spoke to page sent last week and she called her terrifying, which is kind of unique to hear from a fellow fighter in that particular way class. Do you do you, do you buy into the hype do feel like she is getting the respect that she deserves? Like, I think she's the most dominant champion right now in the UFC feel like all that is warranted. I think anybody to hold you the first one, and I'm gonna do nothing but respect, the person holds adult because they worked to get that. And so I think to not pay them respect to be silly and, and kind of be set up for myself. So I certainly respect it the episode. She's put in the Bill that she has back with the championship should be do consider her to be terrifying as well. No. I have a feeling you've never considered any of your opponent's terrifying. Not. Really? No. Not yet. Yeah. Something tells me. And so when you got this opportunity, I'm assuming you said, yes, right away. You didn't have to think twice Craig. Not at all. I mean, I've been telling my my, my darling my coaches amines that, hey, there's no doubt I ever get to call somebody back on the fight his last minute ten days. Notice I actually take that five without hesitation. So just let them know but the, you know, I'm ready for this whenever it is, like I said, I've been training as if it's a championship fight every single site regardless of who it is. So I've just been hoping that somebody else drops out of the fight not wishing anybody get injured because I don't wish upon anybody. But if opportunity arises that I could replace somebody that they would give me that called me. Will you watch that I fight nine years ago in preparation for this one? If I had footage, I wish like this is one to four barely have a cellphone let alone. How like one of the fancy ones I think I'd on time. So there's no footage whatsoever. I've tried finding my team has my all my coaches my Mendon everybody none of us able to fund because it really was out in the middle of nowhere. I think maybe didn't even have reception because of how far away it was everything. And then just kinda is twenty ten so not many people had all the Sam sees smartphones Corcoran, everything. Right. Okay. So, and like you remember it enough like, will you draw any, any sort of knowledge from that fight? Or do you think that it was too long ago? It doesn't really matter at this point. Of course, it matters that I don't think it matters sense. It I'm not the fighter that I was in school, so green that I don't think even definitely to respond. Anybody is L fall, what somebody's yourself off. So really much as I can take from it, I still so inexpensive that I'm that image. Sippy full she made to look back at that, and how can play and she's also known as fighter. So I have to see. Silence. And both of us devolved into perfect, those fighters sitting, and I also have the story of getting another crack at the belt after of course, you fought Ronda Rousey, in the first ever female flight, and I ever female title, fight, and again, sort of along the lines of not feeling like your opponent, terrified or terrifying. I wonder if you were maybe nervous for that, because that was such a big deal. And if this time around, because we've been there done that you'll be less nervous. Is there anything to that? No. I think that in both those scenarios that there are at least on the first one they were certainly nerves went into it very quickly. Got there that was supposed to be so those nerve hell way very quickly. And then this, I with each fight get less and less nerve them more and more fight, you know, the more that your veterans to get experienced all the limelight, everything on then, and not say that you get whether to it, but you certainly get the win foot and not be overwhelmed by the. And of course, you seem to be very close to submitting her in that fight several years ago in Anaheim. How often do you think about that moment? How different your life, how different women's MA would have been had you on that. Every now and then it happens, especially somebody will ask me really calls me to sit back and just realize how different all of them in may possibly have been, I've been dick and not on, like, I really do think think happened for reason and maybe didn't happen then but from hurry for this moment that's about to happen. Yeah, it's amazing. How did you beat her? That night does very your chance. We never heard of seen Rhonda ever again. Right. It's crazy. And the whole thing would have been different. It's unbelievable. Like the sliding doors there in that particular phenomenon are you surprised that? She she is not come back. No, I'm not. I'm really not because I knew her poignant that she has an image of what she pictures or fight for and none of which in the award of any sort, so have to walk away. She did. I think that, that the theories that she had for herself. And how she's pictured her fight for going when it didn't go that way. She wasn't. She didn't prepare any other way. I don't think that she was invested in having walked on her record. So I was surprised but she didn't continue on notice you and your teammate, Olympic Farland and some other members of routine. You've been doing this like underwater training in San Diego. What exactly it looks like the toughest thing in the world. Like the endurance. Any must have the cardio? What exactly is that? What exactly are you guys doing? Blast what essentially what we're doing? We're trying to do any endurance. Any strength activities under a CO two MAC so hard. So you don't have the benefit of having oxygen opposites as you'd be underwater. I you also have the benefits having that deep water impression to help promote feeling and it takes all the impacts any weights going on the water that takes impact away from your body sue knocking ensure that, that smashing artist you usually have in late training and inner running, but it's also an element where you build a sense of confidence doing I could rap on the water and I can defend this emission put on the submission with no oxygen doing the underwater from anywhere from thirty seconds to two minutes. So it's kind of an accumulation everything altogether. So how, what's the longest you've gone underwater without without coming up take a breath. The longest two minute. Wow. Two minutes. Holy smokes who has the record right now. And how long has that among teammates? It wouldn't be run. The one the instructors, Rick, I think his record is over three minutes of a breath. Hold on this any activities we do. He's insane is a fish. He goes under water. He does the activities to play game place. We all crap with the goal and waiting. Let's send to start. You can talk for okay? Like or even saying. And he's looked so relaxing Saint, he's able to get the only state in Tunis his body state of nickel focus. It allows them to know that I can go through this infill on my body and not me that desperation, you're actually grappling under there. You just kind of going through the motions. We're definitely. God, that's unbelievable and going for like choke holds and everything. Feel about the intimate fighters going into, and we often Kate each other, and something structures are very comfortable enough on the water to be guilty. Chokehold other than that. It's usually holding onto the other and joint manipulation without show. There's only actually Chapman. Each other. And have you already felt a difference like is this helping you in training in your fights, big time, not only have I noticed different like you said, just in the grappling aspect knowing that, okay? Woman, the submission and Ono, what am I going to do like I'm stuck? This is like, oh, wait. I can do I can breathe. I can say in this person gets cast out. And then having the ability that maybe your arms are fatigue gas out. And you can't put on naked choke, or you can't fit somebody, you know that you can't because you've done it on what and then just the endurance my body feels healthier because like I said that, compression from killing in your body, but also need the stuff that I do on water isn't wearing turning my body. So all of that is just makes such a difference each him and finally back to Valentina in your mind and your coaches mind what is something that you must not do against her. What are things that you have seen other people do in her fights recently since she's dropped out? One twenty five and looked so good. That. You cannot replicate in this fight. I think the biggest everybody's done is they like steak chamber are snakes charmer is a do a little song and dance and people are in into simple. It's the same thing. Everybody's falling to her temple money, I at the pace when he throws her off tempo dictate how the whole fight those they do. Well at its everybody that falls in. Let's for the whole simplify that fall into Lhasa. I'm looking forward to it. I think this is a fascinating fight. And I know a lot of people are counting you out, but I'm not out. Liz, I feel like I feel like you're going to give her a tough fight, and I'm not ready to count. You out you have been there you have done that you've seen it all, and you have a win against to boot. So I'm sure that gives you coughing. It's going into this even though it was kind of a crazy scenarios. Well, I wish you the best. Thank you very much for doing this list. And good luck on August fourteenth. Thank you. All right there. She is. Liz Bush, yes. August fourteenth in Uruguay Montevideo to be exact the Antle arena. Kind of crazy. I didn't know that she was supposed to fight Antonina shift chanko, and then they did the old switcheroo honor. Unbelievable. That's very nice. And then she still one was long time ago, but still that's gotta give you confidence. Via doctor stoppage. See three fights, Red River rivalry September thirty two thousand and ten so almost nine years ago in conscio-, Oklahoma. Those her fifth pro fight. Number profile was it for Valentina? Her seventh she was seven ogling into that. So those are eight pro fight and. Commercials foreign going to that. So there you have it, August, tenth, and like I said, by the way, the car moosh. Shevchenko was on the table for July twentieth. As reported. Let's just say a little switcheroo was was done talk about that later. But bottom line is they wouldn't would Leon Edwards versus RDA and. Uruguay's getting shift Trinko versus carbon to speaking of Ian Edwards. I've been doing this thing on my Instagram lately where I give you my Mench of the week or my mentions of the week. He's a part of it. Hope you enjoyed I've been having a lot of fun doing. It highlighting spotlighting the good people in the sport. People who are doing good things positive things giving back to their communities, giving back to underprivileged kids, or just anything positive anything kind hearted. So usually post that Monday night after the show. So check that out on my Instagram. I TV at area Awani if you are interested. All right. And a matter moments, we're going to be joined by Johnny bones Jones. Yes, I said, Johnny bones Jones is going to be joining us, he returns on July sixth. You have two thirty nine Las Vegas. The Vata T mobile arena, his third fight in what seven months. He told us that he wanted to be act. Give going into that. Alexander goson fight, and he is active he fought in December against Alex gusts of sin. He won that fight. He fought in March against Anthony Smith won that fight and on July six, he meets TI, go Santos. It's a great card international fight week. And historically, the international foot we cards over the past few years have been somewhat snakeman. Hopefully that's not the case this time around. Let's not waste anymore time. Let's say Hello to the reigning defending see light heavyweight champion. Johnny bones. Joe's look at him while John looking great with the suit and everything I love it. Cleaned up. This feeling I'm feeling. Great John, thank you for doing this. I know you just landed from New Mexico, and so you're probably a little tired. I really appreciate your time here today. Just waking up, but a right for you, man. All right. My man, it's it's always great to talk to you. I have to ask I because it made some headlines just a couple of days ago, you wrote this very long, and impassioned. Post on your Instagram about managers and trying to give some advice to young fighters. What prompted that? And could you tell us who you were talking about if possible? Talking about any man's in particular, I was just talking about just all manages. Teammate talk to me about, you know, how much he was paying his manager, and I almost forgot that people all day repairing, you know, twenty five percent stuff like that. I asked the guy what is manage was doing was doing for him? And he said, nothing really have any sponsors. And the last thing eventually had done for them was sitting on the room help them. Go shade his contract, and I just thought I thought it was just such a huge percentage for guy who wasn't working really hard for his athletes. I just wanted to remind. I just want to tell fighters out there that, you know, I, I didn't find it normal to pay that money. And I thought that guys do deserve that type of money are guys who are really out there going to bet for these guys in taking care of these guys in every aspect of their life. Not just not you sitting on a contract meeting calling yourself manager of me personally. My management team. They, they do almost everything for me. And that's why I don't mind paying them. Good money. I mean this guy's they do my personal life. Former they, you know, buying and selling houses. I mean, they have a hand in almost everything I'm doing and I love taking care of my management team because they earn the money that I give them some of these guys out there man, taking from these guys aren't even making money. And, and it's just. Are you finding as you get older? I mean you've been there you've done it all you fight everyone. Are you finding a lot of fighters are coming to for advice these days and are you enjoying that role? It's amazing. You've grown up in front of our eyes. John, are you are you joined this sort of veteran leader role these days? You know, I feel like a lot of fires especially my own team. They do to meet for wisdom vice in and I have been around game for a long time. I've experienced everything there is experience in the sport. And, and I do I do appreciate being able to give to these guys. Because ultimately, I think that's what really healthy legacy. You know, everyone specified person who doesn't moves, but put a but what really matters is lives that you change them on the way. And so I'm trying to do my part. Just to get to the Bassett use it. Fighting a young man named Chagas Santos. He's won four in a row. Three in a row at light heavyweight. He hits very hard. He's intimidating fellows, or anything that he does as far as his actual skill set that concerns you are you worried about him. About them at all. I've still like after like. My fiance, Sherman. Not me about my hands behind my back, right? And let it. Plus, your chin, a lot lot of people hit our everybody has the power to knock out anybody my manager. Knock me out of my little interface. It's about a smart enough to win that luncheon. So no not worried about heavy hitters. Everyone hits. Are, you know, fighters that concerned me the most that most intelligent fighters? You know, the guys who can set up sponsors setup solid gameplay. So I'm not too worried about you have many guys would big muscles, and big off haulers. I've been doing that since I was a lot of youngest guys division started at twenty three years old. So not not worried about anything. I said go out their faith in my Bility's and. And my team that's round me Montella shifts source of game and everything else will fall into place. Has he made this personal between you two he, he's taking some shots at you. And I saw you respond via social media. Do feel like he crossed the line. No. You know, it's like if you can't insult you know my game you know, people try to insult my personal lives. That's something that they all do you know, and I just got to be cool that, you know, I think what he's saying my legacy will be one of steroids, or something like this is set himself up already for failure. If I lose because John cheetah. Or so. Here we are less than two weeks away so far. No drama, right? We're good. So far. No drama. Yeah. Everything's big on his mood, and then try to catch me going gray area. Everyone in the teams working so hard. I've never had the team get behind a car the way they've gotten behind myself Holly Diego. All the images all the pros have always just doing whatever they can do to make us better into service. And, and it's great man. The team Unity's is through the roof. I'm so grateful to fly under the Jackson, the banning feel weird like that. Everything's just going. Are you almost like waiting for something to happen? Like it's. No, not doesn't the word was Goodman, every on the right things. You know. Stay out of trouble. Staying in the gym. He's trying to do all the right things teams. Trying to buy us in it feels. Right. You know to, to have no payoffs in controversy. It feels really good. Now. I got Scott seal the deal by getting this big win on six last time. You're on the show you were in studio. And I think you kind of raised some eyebrows with your honesty, saying that look I am probably gonna mess up. I do drink. I'm not perfect. How has since we last spoke do feel like you're still staying on the straight narrow. Do you feel like you're art? Yeah, you're happy. Happy man earlier. Things have gone everything. Everything's going really well, for me in my life man like his doing great school man. Great, great hearted. Little girls on the home. Life is doing man business business, a great sponsors comeback band, this blessings in money's opponents. My life. Everything's going so good right now. I really can't complain I'm doing the right. Things fighting often trying to keep the band's Abby. Honestly evidence scoring really good minutes testament to just. Chris it feel okay? So this is a big fight obviously. And it's a big card. But it feels like we're on the cusp of some really big fights coming your way. If all goes well on July six, perhaps Luke rock. Hold, who's also fighting on the car two to five. Chris wideman is making his light heavyweight debut sooner than later. And of course, there's the fight that everyone always talks about. Do you feel the same way? And if so do feel like ones of front runner, as far as who would be next after for you. I feel like you know what do you what do you want to run elect one's gotta be up next gut feeling as to, you know, who's the big fight after this one, because I feel like there's a big fight waiting few after this one. Has made whispers of all possible being a next week for me. I don't care at least next. My job is to be able to be literally anyone might vision and Nuss. Join that on of always accepted. The toughest guy find the toughest guy since I was twenty three years old. You know so that fastlane is my lane. You know that's tough. Fights is what I do. And whoever may be do. I'll be ready to step my game up to duality. What was your reaction? When you heard DC say, on the show last month that he is considering dropping out to a five after this fight to fight you one last time he won't do. Why not? I just think I think it takes a lot of them to make that way cut. I haven't seen him in person. But I hear that he's bigger than ever and to lose all that way. And come up short of third time educates lot of courage out. Imagine I don't think he has the balls to do it. I think he knows what to say the people to, to, to appear not afraid of me, but I think deep down inside, you know, he knows what it's like after twice gone home crying all this. I just thought what he's going to do that to himself again. You think his last flight is in August. I don't know. I don't care what they me is, honestly. Okay. You're done with him. I've been with him. Yeah. Day is not much his opponent. I said, gushes was much office, opponent is not this rival that the world wants to be to me is the guy that be toys were you surprised? I guess, in retired. It was surprising. Yes. Man. I, I feel bad because that's all he has so much more fight left in them. He beats eighty percent of the division may be eighty five in of the division. I'm hoping that it's just a little mental thing is going through in that he's going to get over and combat because him being out of the games doom sports Justice. He's a great for his area of the world. You have sense and I mean he he's exciting. He's long brings that blocks full work to the game. And like I said, there's a lot of guys that he's still beats, so I'd imagine he's gonna kind of get back on his feet brush himself off in comeback. Now, the one I'm dying to ask you. I'm sure you knew this was coming the last style bender Israel to sign. Yeah. What is going on here between you in Israel to Sonya? John, this is inter -taining stuff. You talked about him. He talked about you, you show up in the comments. This is this is I have to say you got everyone talking right after his fight back in April. What do you have an issue with Israel? Sonya. I really don't. I really don't. I think the worst thing I ever said about the kid was that he's looking promising assume that, you know, people are going to start entertaining that by certain hill, come up challenge. That's all I said about him. I think he said something about killing one. Go in Anderson Silva, are trying to kill me or something like that. And biggest differences that I'm thirty one years old. And I feel like I am still reaching my prime. If you look back. Look back throughout a lot of my fights. You hear guys since fought me say. John is a lot stronger than he looks and Israel is light in the ass. He's like. Any he's skinny, I'll put my hands on him and teaching whole different. World heard is for him to be so, so frail and to not have ground game Bill. You don't wanna do it, and then two and then to talk about my stand up against Anthony Smith with his face. All bubbled up against a short wrestling at the just did that to him. It was just Larry's barely touched by, and so Israel. Taco Bell his striking skills being so much farther ahead the minds. It's hilarious. Just some thing about him, I Jenkins little to my knee ass. Use the east more jerk chicken come holler at me. He said your time will come when I say, so do you feel at some point guys will fight to that means. I can't be John. And. Fighting me when he's when he's ready to really beat me, as I don't open your mouth and you can't you can't be me right now. I would never say that about any like, I'm not ready to be Imia wouldn't come back when I'm good enough to him as if my skills are stagnant. And I'm not improving myself is silly, what he basically said, and he just worded it, how you wanted to was. I cannot be John anything, you said outside of that doesn't matter. You feel like at some point you're your pass will cross, or you're not confident in that he knows where I'll be. And that will probably be a two five. Right. You're not you're not thinking of heavyweight, these days, I am heavyweight. Ariel is just like not in forefront Lega. I'm making wait just fine. You know, people people always assume that I'm a lot bigger than a handler. I'm every wait. I'm full full size light heavyweight started grown to this girl mastering than getting stronger or was my division and. Have you will come like? On the I don't know. I don't know what I'm waiting for it anyway. Just going so well where Brown that groupies to change anything. We'll you disappointed when you heard that Brock wasn't coming back. No, I wasn't that wasn't. There's a lot of big flights headway with without Brent lessening. What was going on with the whole steep thing? I it looked like you kind of put it out there that you are thinking about it, and then this fight got announced where you actually ever considering that. Not really. Just talking trash. Just during the pot this, they're Potman. I respect. Yes. Sometimes, you know, the fans wanna see some drama. They when Houston drama they wanna hear you call people. It keeps it keeps them excited and ultimately it's, it's about them. And so sometimes you still nonsense could be talking to people going well along those lines, perfect segue, because I feel like I'm going down a laundry list here. But we don't often get access to John so, so apologies in advance. But I have to ask Dylan data's what's going on with Dylan. Dennis. Nothing's going. What's happening there? How, how did this even start between the two you're not even the same promotion on in the same way class by your off by two way classes? What's his issue with you? Think thinking knows I'm the type of guy to respond and energy and his following up. And so, so, I think that's what's going on with them at the end of the day, I don't come out and touch Josh about this guys. You know that just came out of nowhere bins sport surreal, over ten years now. Some guys sector bring up my name because it makes local. Okay. What would you ever consider grappling him? I won grab a mobile a foot in his mouth. All right. Fair enough. Henry, pseudo calls himself, the pound for pound king. These days does he have a case? Is he is? Absolutely why. I don't know 'cause you call themselves. I'll give it to them. What about you? I don't have to, like, I don't have to say these things. Right. That makes sense. I don't have to say these things, I'll e called himself the greatest say that for you. So every claims it than visits his, I wish not the best one, he's he's, he's a is great for the sport man's fellow Christian brother, and, you know, he wants to be the man. And so, you know, as he's taking a page ALI'S McCollum, south demand in it, worked probably. So let him have it as well. Okay. Let me ask you more. 'cause I know you have. Competition. I'm not come Titian with anyone a lot of competition with me. Fair enough. Can ask you one last one, John. You said that you want to be active. How many more times if all goes well in July six do you wanna fight in twenty nineteen? I'd like to fight in December. And then I'd like to try to pick it up again three times twenty nineteen twenty twenty mean dance when twentieth. Thank you so much, John, I appreciate it. Good luck to you. We'll talk to you. All right. Anyone has any more lift. That's the way it goes. My man. Thank you. That's why you are who you are. I'll talk to you all right. There is Johnny bones Jones, the reigning defending. You have see light heavyweight champion had a limited amount of time with them. How about that? We went on the whole ride with him. And I think he's doing some media now in LA for you. See two thirty nine and our time was up. But that was fun. We cross a lot of bridges there. Right. Daniel Cormie is route Asya, they'll Dana's Henry, pseudo Alexander Gussinski. I go Santos I thought it was interesting that he said that he thinks anyone could hit hard. But it's how you set that up does not appear as though he is all too concerned with TI, go Santos's power. What are the odds going into that fight? Usually when I say this New York, Rick would just drop them on me. Let's see corporate has them. Minus five fifty for John Jones heading into that fight on July six plus four seventy two for. TI. Golan tos. I still always, I love the subtle shade with him in DC. If if John wins on July six and DC winds on August seventeenth. They are going to try to do it. If not I do think he's right. I think they'll go the Luke rock, hold route. If Rockall winds he's got a tough fight against Bajo. It's on the same card. But there's you see there. It just comes out every time it's there is palpable is boiling. It's fun. What a card that is. We lost the Sean O'Malley fight, but other great fights on that car, July six Cluj daily against random Marcos Arnold Allen against Gilbert, Melendez on the Neo back Michael kiss against Yego Sanchez, Luke rock hold against. I'm buffalo says I said Ben aspirin against him. Maswadeh all going to be phenomenal. Manned Nunez against Holly home for the UFC women's bantamweight title. There's the main card. Doron win trying to get some shine prelims starting at eight on ESPN main card at ten. You can get the pay per view, of course. ESPN plus here in America. There's the main card Diego Holly and John Jones all fighting on the same card. So a big night for Jackson, wink, and the Albuquerque crew, and yeah, I like that. And I also like this year. There's just one card. There's no tough Anneli. There's the hall of fame Friday night. There's also Knicks pelicans are Barrett versus ion Williamson that's about in Las Vegas summer league. That's pretty stiff competition. I must say for the hall of fame, but you got the hall of fame. If you're looking for something to do the winds on Friday, of course as well. But there's only one card. No more three cards. No more two cards, just one card and I like that. I know a lot of fence don't like that. I like. And it's not because I'm lazy, it's because I think that this card is so big that you should have all the attention on it all the is, should be on it all the focus should be on it. That's what I think. What do they call it? International fight week now there's only one fight one card. Anyway, let's turn our attention now to our next guest. He was victorious in his debut on Saturday in Greenville, he defeated Eric spicy also on the fight of the night award. And I told him this we've had the Ron win on this program twice before first time last November his phone died in the middle of the interview, second time couple months ago were sounding audio I've ever heard. So the pressure is on. It will be three strikes and you're out for Doron win. Let's see how he sounds this. Doron. How are you? I'm ready to go. Look at that audio you sound, gray man. How are you? Yes. Let me hear it again. Yes, it sounds. Yeah. Close up to my face dog. What's wrong with that? No cool. But it looked like in my face time that is gonna be a little bit back. You know, I took time to make sure out was like in a good since setting. I just got this new phone this, like the excess whatever the sound quality offer. You buddy appreciate charm. Yes. Just like your debut. Congratulations. You get the bonus you get the win so all's. Well overall are you happy with the entire body of work? The decision win over spicy. Of course. Man, I told I forget, what other who whoever else, I was interviewing with, you know, I can be down on my self because, you know, for a guy like me, I like finishes. And, you know, you got a guy like Eric spicy who I before I ever say anything about him. He's the man he to the fight with me, six days, and he freaking fun as Ashok, and we make money together. And I'm who with anybody that makes with me, so but for guy like him who's been cut in maybe not the best record in the you have C and whatever I would like to I would've liked to finish him, and I would've liked to rather get the knockout of the night as opposed to fight of the night. But hey I mean what can I say? It was just my six fight of all time in all this experience. Does is make me a better fighter overall and? Yeah, me and I'm happy. Absolutely. I feel good man was he tougher than you expected, especially taking his fight on six days. Notice where you not expecting that from him. So here's what I Don, I knew I watch fights and he didn't look like. Then halfway through. Hi fi. I realize just trying to make me tired trying to weather the storm and in make me tired it in, in the, you know, then marches comeback. Go covering up like that against the economy. Look what he doesn't like getting hit. And so, you know, halfway through I had just in maybe stop firing off on him as hard and everything. And then, but then at the same time, like I think someone of my buddies, I think I don't know. I just blacked out there, but I think I kept hitting him so hard. And so many times that I thought there, so many moments in the fight that I was like, oh, get him out of there. I'm like this. He's done. See, like expresses on stays, and stuff like that. And he's done. He's done. He's done. That's all I kept thinking in my head. And then all of a sudden he cooking like thorough looking in circle ks and he was good. You know, did you get tired of third? Yeah. I was tired. Absolutely man. And we train I train hard and I like to see I could be in better shape. But what people don't see or don't maybe some people. The casualty Anna's notice I three hundred sixty nine strikes that is over a hundred more strikes than anybody on the car through that is double, the amount of more than happy Arthur, the entire fight. So I was very very busy. And, and yeah, so I was a little tired, but it wasn't because I was I was under trained. It was because I, I literally just put my all in a fight, you know. And obviously the way co was the big story is well, you dropping down twenty five wins the last time you weighed one eighty five. Probably two thousand eight thousand eight. Nine yet nine how was the cut how did it feel? It went so snooze o. I just really dedicated. And then, you know, I got the help from apart and lead to the very end the last week and I was scared because, as a restaurant, we don't do the water load stuff. We, we just grind and like get your way down. Possible to disarm. I waterloo. I get really smart. And I changed a lot of things in my dying. We see me in a picture, like sometimes you like looks like even like meet down to eighty five I don't look like the liens but man, I change I took my his down a lot. And in. A out just really good again, and that was at difference. And in the last week, I was so scared. And my manager about cook is. Was my biggest outer of making way and. On the scale me on the scale of practice and he bugged me about it. And, and I kept on. See I'm gonna make this way in DC. Okay. Okay. Tell me ought to believe you, but when's day night? The day before weigh ins. I remember. I step on the scale fully worked out Wednesday night, laying like Iran o'clock, and I was like two three thousand seventeen pounds over and my manager freaked out. But I had to I two yards of watering. So Bob, like put his clothes on crazy. Bob. He's a beast. So he'll, he'll train with me whenever he wants. To. So we just like in the workout room. It was hot at l'hotel and we just grind our straighten. I lost seven pounds and he like started feeling a little bit better. Archie, pro, and most people who cut wait. No this. No. This is easy. I saw it twice on Thursday. I get a real short go in the morning. To kinda see how much weight I could get up and then put plastics on inbetween imaging the goes, and then Thursday morning. When I woke up, I was third note, Friday morning, the morning, I woke up, and I was only half pound over, and I it was only one scientists it, and Bouma's on, well, any chance after all that, that you make one seventy. It's possible but not yet. Keep shrinking my body in keep. You know, I'll have to really really dedicate myself for a consistent amount of time to get some more body fat off and, and try to be more consistent with my diet and stuff like that. But. I don't know. I think I'm okay right now, Eric's buses, always six two, you know, so. You know, he's not the biggest talented guy, there is, but, but I'm okay I'm okay for now. I'm just going to get that to, you know, and that's nothing to keep it understand is they say, maybe my size played in the factor, not finishing also he was six fight amateur I note, the home doing out there fighting. So I'm just getting better, and I'm super competitive and, and all the above. So, so for now in fine, I've known tension, seventy but scene possible. It's possible but I'm not doing it. Okay. Even though I mean because his crooked from wrong, your five five and your reaches seventy one inches creek. Yeah. Okay. So you don't you don't think eventually you'll have to do that? You think you can you could be fine. I swear, I'm thinking way since fact. I hit hard there can't be too many guys harder than me at the way. So I'm different apple. Okay. Happy, seventy five grand the other night drilled. What, what, what was it like fighting in the UFC for the first time, yes, you're six pro fights? You haven't had a ton, but this is different than anywhere else. Did it did it feel different the lights, you know the answer is all that's that. Like did it feel noticeably different to you? Now. I'm used to the only thing is do you have? Do you have? I don't know. Honestly amazing promotion from start to finish from my God. There took care me. Treat me like a king real like everybody who works UT super helpful. That's the only thing that I noticed different man. Like they need you needed a ride to wake eater score. You need to get you. Wherever makes care, man. So I was newcomer. I'm not used to these things kind of caught me off guard and, and. Is that is talk too much? See, but I guess, I guess my career it's deeper. I maybe more things will come to light to me. But, but I'm yeah. It didn't it because the first two so I fought in front of more people than that multiple times, and I wrestled in front of more people than I fought in front of the other night. So. Wasn't that crazy? But also I just looked back. Bob, we're late, as them Cain, and then my other coach Ron, and I look back on them do boys, like you know, we have staying in DC teller wrestlers. And we heard from a really, really great wrestler. I it's like it's about people getting nervous in, in reality. Everybody who proclaims they wanna be fighter or whatever you can't get to the moment, seared. So it's like this is what I wanted in all the time. They recruited me all the time. It's like this is what we want it, right. What we wanted this, this is why we're here. Let's do it. So it was very, very cool experience. Wow, that's great. And I'm just wondering if I would've told you at the beginning of your career, six flights and you'd be in the would you believe me, did you expect all of this, or is it happening a little too soon for yours? Sooner than you expected. I should say. You know, I talked about it, too, and it's like, you know, a guy who's who competes all the time, I was in patient to get here. But now that it's taking this Wong again here. I'm glad that I that, you know, obviously, I had a great team that could didn't rush me into this. And and I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, maybe, I think I belong, I didn't know who's gonna happen, this fast or gonna happen sooner, or it was going to happen, a little later. But I think it's going to fit me perfectly and, and I was presented with an opportunity to be able to see just even more things I need to work on so good. And I I'm an athlete, and I'm a professional and I'm, I'm very, very competitive. And, and I think I'd like to think a lot smarter than a lot of guys and the game show. So now all we do is, you know, I'm happy but like. Like me and can't talk all night, and you out just hanging out out there and we're both just sickos about it. And, and, you know, we just talk about just go home rest and things down. You know, watch fight over and over again see things that you want to get better at, and we'll work on them, you know. So the good thing is, we got ceasing areas. I need work on. And we'll just keep pushing forward bro to be ready for the next next shot. How stressful was the the road getting to the fight? I it was Marcus Peres then it was Bruno Silva than they're looking for an opponent now. We're six days away. They find Eric spicy was not even in the UFC, and you find out at civil tested positive. What was that? I'll like leading up debut there's enough nerve just just for the actual debut. Yeah. Didn't truly bother me. You know, I you can you can plan for guys game fan, and I think that, that makes that up that maybe makes more sense, deeper down the road as you get tougher guys who can actually execute. Their game plans. No matter what even if you know what's coming. But for now for me, it's all about me trying to execute my own game plan or what I want to do. And so I wasn't too concerned. I'm like, yeah. It's different fight against Renault Silva. I probably would have grappled more than against Eric spicy. I was like, I'm okay with the grappling, but I'll stay on my feet for as long as I can because I don't wanna get fifty positions. So I wasn't stressed. More. I almost want to tell people because once they got airlines, I'm real good composed. And, and I'm really good at not letting to me. So I didn't even wanna tell people whenever we've figured out that I didn't have an opponent. When my book everyone else stressing out like way more that I'm stressing out about Meena opponent because I, you know, I believe in the process, I believe in mic and you have seen it. The good thing of the his they're gonna find somebody. I thought I was like you gotta find somebody showing any so many guys that are looking for that opportunity in wanna step in, in fighting the he so I knew they'd find somebody. So I stayed calm and, and instate sick to my training and my way cut and didn't even affect me, and I knew that need being patient and all this, and then even might travel air flights into and stuff like that. I I was stuck in. I'll go for like eight. The whole day. And I just I staying positive and in control the things that you can't control then it all work out. He posted afterwards that his Bank account was at minus two thirty one going into this fight, and he now gets the fifty K bonus addition to whatever he made for the fight itself, how big of a game changer is this for you. Yeah. Twenty by that time I had probably had a couple of drinks in me, and I think we're on the same page that we were cool. And I said, okay, as it my wasn't that bad off. But, but I'm too stupid. He says, my, my Bank account was negative thirty but I'm to snap up until f- induced or whatever, and I was like wasn't that at all? But I'm just to grow, you know, absolute game changer. I've had a lot of people different different points of views. Tell me what's doing my money, and, and how to do it. But, but the good thing is, you know, I got guys DC Kane and my management, Bob and Linsey who are very, very familiar with guys coming from nothing. And getting money. So I'm very confident. They'll help me, you know. Put my to use in input. It put it in places that needs to be in. I'm not stupid. And I know that one thing about getting money to keep making it and see don't go broke. So I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna not these hungry anymore. I'm gonna actually probably going to be even more because I know how this feels to know that. I got so much money on the way and honestly, I'll probably take a big chunk of money out when it clears and give it to DC and let them hold it. And, and they don't do something stupid because I'm still young kid at heart, you know, so. I would love to the money but I won't try to stay strong with it. And if anything it'll help me with this next camp, I go through and, and things that go smoother. I think if you're financing stay of all be able to work hard and folks on certain things that I've been wanting to focus on. So it's cool. I'm super happy girl, and I'm sick. Less with just everything. That's happened in my life. Okay. No be beyond us with me. We're you annoy. The DC wasn't there were you upset are you beefing it's going on? No, we're not grow. That's my brother and I understood what he wasn't the air, you know, he'd been gone lot. He's got a family and, and a lot more fights. And, and there for me a lot, so I'm okay with him not being there. And we have a lot of responsibilities and he had a coach. I mean, we got a team we've got high team that let kids working. Got nationals coming up next month club who super competitive that all year round and you know, we're running out of coaches, so. When I'm gone, I helped my so much. So I'm okay with it, bro. You know, it's just like his last his last fight against their Johnson or what's his name Johnson Lewis? You know, I had a stand in coaching in stick to my camp stuff like that. So on. No, I'm okay. That's my boy in. We will we will do more in the end. He's got plenty of fights. You come come to, and we'll just keep making money and keep making people hate us, bro. I thought it was gonna win were haters. But actually, I think a lot of people had a lot of positive feedback. Yes, you got a lot of and I hate to put you on the spot like this and sort of have to speak on his behalf. But we did just speak to John Jones right before you. And I asked him about Daniel, and ask about Daniel's sort of idea of going down to five one last time to fight him. And he said that he has no real interest in doing that. He doesn't believe these he wants to do that. He doesn't want to go through the whole fight again and lose him all over again. They just putting it out there. So people like him more. What do you make of that? Do you think there's any truth to that? Nobody I don't think I don't think he has too much concern that. That's that's gonna be hard hard cut at his age that would only that would only benefit John Jones. So I don't know. We haven't discussed it me and him having discussed it at all. Him did nine to five and I don't think I don't think you shouldn't. I'm not sure I'm not sure if he's too, too interested in that either bro. So we'll see time comes come and won't do you want to retire after August seventeen at? Yeah, you do you want to win and walkaway? Yeah. But he's such a sicko. It's going to be hard for him to know it is. But we do and I think we all do, I think his whole team and anybody who truly cares about him does. So I do. And I told him that and I hope he gets out and, you know, these kind of helped me he's kinda step is neck out for me a lot from need again. You have seen stuff like this. So I'm like, man. Let me just let me do now. It's time. Let me let me carry our name and our legacy. And, you know, all put on the team will so. Should be. I hope he gets up, and I think he will. We'll see when you want to return last thing. I go my sunglasses on but I got a. Oh, yeah. A real stitches almost got you know, I mean I catch some good ones in there. But. But I wanted to get back on aren't talking about it. I don't know if they'll let me back on a thirty day suspension, but that's still some days away. I could get back in the gym right away, as soon as you know, my stitches out, so I would like to get back in there. And but we'll see. I don't wanna wait too long. I want to keep this thing going, and I think I'm just gonna have better I think people are gonna love it. I'm just getting better and better and better as each each. Each fight goes on as we go onto this. Oh, I wanna get back in there. And I really wanna fight that Darren Stewart. Why dentist? I think a good fan-friendly fight, and he's kind of right on the tier guys I should fight and he he be there expressing. He's come off a win and maybe find me because he wants to get a hiring guy, but I think after I proved that I'm writing strapped with any of these news. So I think if he smarter, thanks man, it'll be a good fan favorite fighting off mash into, and it will. Ford. Congrats by men. Great performance. It was a lot of fun to watch. A lot of fun to see you in there. Finally, after a couple of close calls where it seemed like your debut was going to get delayed. It was a great performance. Great fight, great win. And happy that you guys got the bonus. It's rare that the opening fight on the car, the curtain Jerker, if you will get the bonus, but they certainly in my opinion. So enjoy it. Get well soon, and hopefully, we'll see you soon out there. By man. Yes, you nailed it. Well done well done with the audio and the video preciado very much. 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Go you want to you want go to Minneapolis, the Saturday and Gano JD you wanted to go last weekend in Greenville, the vid seats, the hook you up. Speaking of Greenville would agree performance on Saturday from one Lewis, painter, defeating Matt Wyman if you asked me should have ended a little earlier, it was one sided. It was dominant. He was on point from start to finish never in doubt. Let's talk to the man, they call violent Bob Ross who certainly was violent. We spoke to his roommate Doron win. I to say in the battle the mates thus far. Louise. Your connection must much much better than his. Using starbucks? So I can't even take credit for. All right. Well, well done. You didn't even have to give them a shot up, but I appreciate that. Congratulations on the win. Can I ask, you know, I was making a lot of this this big comeback. From wymen came out of nowhere. I still don't really know why he came back. What was your react like did you even remember who met Wyman was, did, you know, who he was been so long since he last fall, what was your reaction when you found out that he'd be your next opponent? Yeah. I'm actually a pretty big a huge huge fan. I'm a big student of the game. So of course, I it was. I just had to remember, if it was the valley flag by or the TJ grant fight that was his last one. Okay. I, I mean, I didn't know what to think about it come in, when they offered it to me. But at the same time, like I really don't care names name. Okay. Was it hard to prepare for a guy that you had not seen fight in five years? Weren't quite sure what you were going to get from him. It was it was extremely hard to prepare for guy like this special a guy like that. Because of if you go back and look at is fights in his earlier, career in the UFC, he's of much more of grapple heavy style whereas his last, like three fights he kind of came out with a more traditional boy tie trying to rip leg kicks. Kind of thought I thought this was a phenomenal performance by you arguably maybe your best in the crazy. I mean it was a good performance. I there's a lot of things I feel as though I need to work on after that performance or after the fight. You know, that's like the main thing for me is like all my coaches are sitting there. Telling me all the good stuff that I did. And I'm sitting there telling them all the terrible stuff. I did what do you think you deter ably? I'm not gonna lie. I think I could've put the pedal to the medal, a little bit more and got him out of there a bit quicker. I think I let him let him off of sometime. I feel as though if I wouldn't have just been content with standing over him and throwing ground impounded, like actually, let him up and set him up for a decent knockout. I could've finished on feet. I was wondering about that. Why did you do that? Why did you why did you go to the ground and not have him stand up with you? Because man, you gotta get there. I felt really comfortable in those exchanges in I it. I never felt in danger at all. I knew I had to had to get that win. And so, I was like, you know, I'm controlling the fight them winning the fights listless win go ahead in win. But at the end of the day, do that's the one thing most supporting myself for this. I feel as though I should've just should've just put the pedal to the metal surprised that his team didn't stop the fight in between the second and third round. No, I wouldn't buy team to stop the fight. No matter what is really even if is even if it's like that in there, I better if if, if they stopped the I better not get up. Wow. Why is that? Because I want every opportunity there is to win that fight, even if the mindset of live to fight another day, you'll come back, don't take too much damage. I'll be twenty six in two weeks. I'll live to fight another day. All right. But he's thirty five so much different. Right. Exent. He's thirty five but he's also exactly he's thirty five. You gotta see if you can still do it. I mean I understand his mindset, I'm not gonna take anything away from his team for doing that or for, for letting him go out there and continue to fight for letting him do what he thought he needed to do. I mean we're warriors. This is what we signed up for. He didn't sign up to play Patty cake. You know, he knew what he was getting himself into. I think that's what he wanted. Fair enough. He was bleeding a lot. How does that affect you if at all? Like, is it harder to, to get a hold of him to feel like it's getting in the way is making things, slippery, or is it affecting you at all? That blood. Oh, energizes me. If you your play Bordeaux combat eleven there's a character named Scarlett. She's the blood God. That's how I felt as soon as that bliss, sorta splitting all over me. I felt amazing put I feel like I felt that crimson just like cover my body and coded. And then I can feel it in my hair was like I filled amazing. I this out explain it. This is an shell is why I have so much respect for you guys. Why can never fathom doing what you do because I would want to run and go take a shower mmediately in the middle of the fight. You felt amazing in like I'm talking yesterday on the airplane. And I went to go put my air pods in their little buffalo. I pull them out, and there's like just specks of blood all over. I was just like. Oh my God. In my one of my corner bid is sitting there. And I'm like, dude, I got blood by years. And then I see all these heads on the plane. That is has that ever happened to you before that much. Oh, no. That was the bloodiest fight of been and you loved every minute of it every single minute of. Wow. Okay. Did you say anything after the fight? He said something to me of he ardently gave me probably the, the biggest compliment anyone has ever given me in my career, he told me the he reminded me of young him and that he's that I'm next. But he's, he's fled to see me doing this. Glad to see someone like me of becoming popular becoming a star because I'm so respectful you know, he wants to see guys like me bring the fourth this Ford and not of bring it down. That is great. I mean, what do you even say to someone like that? Like, when someone says something like that to you. I had no words. Man, I, I made I was thirteen when he made his UFC debut and for for someone like him to say that to me, I have no words, manages it. Let me know that I'm on the right path doing the right things not only in my trading and in these fights. But in the way, I conduct myself the way I carry myself in the public how much better, did you feel back at one fifty five? I felt amazing. I feel great at fifty five but I'm not gonna lie. I, I got really really big after the fight of forty five I about one ninety eight I've told them grow and run there in the quarter I felt it you know what I'm saying? I felt coming down from one eighty and it just it over Mayes, that I can't like as much as I do wanna get big in Edo put on some real waves. Real man, wait to, to compete at one fifty five. I don't have to do that. I can I can put on weight, you know, get up to about one eighty maybe eighty five but I don't have to get up to two hundred plus or one ninety two to do this. It did kind of me a little bit that big of a cut. But I it's once again being fifty five it's just I know my body, so well, I didn't even have to touch the sauna to make are we done with the one forty five experiment? You know talking to row this weekend. He really wants to to try it again. We may we may visit that again. But right now, I'm feeling comfortable fifty five I like fifty five I like some of the ups that my manager's been talking about fifty five. I'd like to move forward and fifty five but once again, you know, I have to have to listen to my coaches and take everything they say in want me to do it a consideration. I'm just curious. Why consider obviously, it was a tough cut. It wasn't easy. You miss wait. You look so good at one fifty five. Why put your body through that? I have no clue rescind does just stubborn. He just wants you to go through it again. Yeah. Pretty much. Okay. But I mean you, you, you have the right to the first refusal. Right. You could say right? Is that that's the great thing about our relationship mad? I mean, don't get me wrong. He's my coach. I listen to everything he says, I. His words final. But we have that relationship, we can talk to each other about things I can come to him with anything that any issue, I have any issue, I have with him or something that he says to me, you know, we can talk. We talk it out. We talk through it. And there's no never any hard feelings. You know whatever gets hurt over anything. You know what I'm saying? Even if we do get into a big blow of fight within thirty minutes of call in the other. Hey, I'm sorry, man. This is how I felt this, you know, this, I felt got out like mid you know, it's, it's probably the best relationship with the coach because he treats me like a grown man. And what was the like being on the same card as your roommate who's making his debut, having Doron Doron win their, you know, the entire week as he prepares you can show him the ropes a little bit as well. Just end the friendship that you guys have did you feel like that made things a little better for you in the build up to the fight? The energy, we add go in. There was just it was on another level. I can't explain it. You know, I really have to show him the ropes he knows how to do it. He's been he's been on the big stage in wrestling. He knows what he's doing. But just haven't had the energy of both of us getting ready all all of our team there around us of prompted us up us us to being the focus of the week and not only that, but the entire K of we've been just grinding together we put mass in our garage so that we could we could get more training in, you know, he and I are just constantly bouncing ideas off each other, ho cave. We're constantly talking to each other off each other through, you know, hard as at practice Harte's of issues, you might have going on your, your person, in your personal life to, to have him throughout the whole experience, was just I can't really fast for. A fetter. Situation. You know, I'd love to do it again. But at the same time, you know, we can't make it happen. I remember the first time we had you on the shows actually around a year ago and you were talking about hoping to find your biological mother, you have since found her. And I believe your Instagram page, we learnt that your biological mother attended the fight. Is that right? Okay. So is actually my biological. Father mother when I was nineteen. Yeah but up with that stuff last year. But that was the first time she had ever heard the kids for my little brother and sister had ever got to see me fight live. So it was like it was really, really big deal for me. You know, I wanted to go out there put a show on for make him proud, especially my mother, my siblings. You know, they look up to me. They, they, they see me as a celebrity. They tell their friends and stuff, you know, my brother's violent off, so I mean, I just wanted to make them out. I wanted to, you know, fruit to hit your brother is that guy. So have you found your biological father? Yeah. Yeah. We, we linked up of Israel crazy story man, we so I'm on the way I'm driving from a Saint Louis to California. Some move out there amid a U haul my best friend, and I get an Email from ancestry dot com. It tells me you've got a new a new DNA match all school. 'cause like answered video, you probably get like your day matches all fit cousins and stuff like that. You know, and I saw like going through all the information in a lake. It's like it's a show me all the DNA markers for like the markets that I don't know where they come fro, and then it gets down to section where it kind of tells you where of how you guys would be related. It said Herrick child, and I was like, oh, that's different. And so, like, I'm kind of left it at that because I didn't really know how to react in at the same time like I'm in the process of moving cross country. So like I've got other stuff on my. Mind. And then, like three hours later, the that person message Neil ancestory because they have a messaging system. And, you know, we start talking ask each other questions in lo and behold, he finds out he's got a biological son. I find out I finally find my biological dead. Holy smoke. And when was that, that was last August? Oh my God. Oh, yeah. So shortly after we spoke that's amazing. And did you meet? Oh, yeah. We've met person of is crazy. So I lived in Saint Louis for three years and come to find out my biological biological. Grandmother has been living in Saint Louis. Laker entire life. Wow. So when we bet up. At her house. I got to beat my, my grandmother, my dad, it was really cool. And you still have a relationship with him. Yeah. Yeah. We talk all the time he's actually stationed right now on the USS Gonzales, he's in the navy. Same with violence for mom. She's a mash achieve navy, which is awesome there. My mom and her husband, and my little brother and sister, actually moving to stock in, which is only like an hour to half away from where I live. And so does your biological mom biological dad? Do they speak? No. Okay. That's little little weird. You know. Of they have. I guess they haven't spoken like twenty years, twenty five years of he didn't even know. I live. So that's the story for them to, to work out. Oh man. That is amazing. What will you try to bring them together, or is that not on the plans? I mean I don't necessarily is not that I plan to bring them together so much as I want to bring my whole parentage together for one fight. I want my biological parents on my adoptive parents over my stepdad. They're all fight to to, you know, to make it like re that would that be super special to me. Yeah. I can't even put into words with that would need to be have you have you floated the idea to your biological, dad? Oh, yeah. No, definitely. He was gonna come to the Tronto five, but he ended up getting a point a little earlier than when he bought it. Wow. Okay. And why did your biological mom come to this particular fight? Was it just the timing worked out? Exactly. Timing worked out. So he was stationed at the Pentagon of. Is she got re to re stationed to Abass here in started? Like I said this other moving of real close to me. And it just so happened that the week they were planning on leaving was the same was the week after the fight. So just worked out that they could drive to the two of the fight in from the fight, you know, start heading that with its is a credible, because ancestry DNA's actually one of the sponsors of the show. And, and I did the whole thing recently like spitting in the little tube and all that. Yeah, it's weird. That's a great organic little ad there for them. Now you just did it now, I don't need to, like make up the whole thing. You just gave us the best endorsement that sponsor can ever have. Exactly man. It's a I, I honestly, it was a birthday or Christmas present the answers, the anything was Christmas present in I'm never imagined. When I it. That, that was going to be the way, I found my dad, I login fought. You know, I'm just doing find some people that I know or I might find some, some long lost relatives, I've never known or anything like that. But the definetely answer all the questions, I've been asking my entire life. It was a life changing, like when you saw. Like when you saw your dad for the first time. I was speechless bed. I, I didn't know 'cause, you know, especially as male, I think it's one of those things you think about all the times where I come from, you know, who's my dad it's hard not to think about. In to finally beat him to kinda like see myself in his face to, to know where I come from where I get like the these natural gifts from, you know, it's, it's a it was dislike I said, wow. And does he watch her fights down? Like, have you heard from him since Saturday? Yeah. Yeah. He was super proud of me. You know what I'm saying of he's, it's, it's hard. You know it's weird. It's a. To them. You know, it's hard for them to watch no matter what's going, but he was repaired. I, I just try and make my family proud of me. You know what I'm saying? That sets the my main goal one incredible story. I'm sure you continue to make them proud, and you made them proud on Saturday, and I'm so happy that you got to meet your dad and to find. That's unbelievable. That's like winning the lottery, so well done to you and to your whole family. And so now you try to build off of this win couple in a row when do you want to return you wanna return this year? Without a doubt. I will it. Another fight for the year. I'm thinking of. September at the latest September October at the latest, okay? Who's on your mind of really have anybody on my mind? You know what I'm saying? I'm about that point my career where I don't necessarily feel as I can be called guys out. I just need to take the fights. They give me start working my way up the ladder. I voted to be OB fighting guys top fifteen top ten here to here. So I just want what whoever they can put in front of me that's gonna make me be able to do that. Did you hear from DC after find if so what he say, of course man, he, he hit me, a drought up directly after the fight us just what to say was proud of us proud of me of the performance? I did. I actually just I just walked over here to Starbucks from aka MDC, getting ready to star in each of the big thing he told me he was he was really proud of me being a stay in myself every time I heard him keep compose to, to be able to get the finish. Well done. Congratulations on the winning, congratulations on all these great things happening to Louis za, great postscript, if you will from our conversation around the year ago. I'm really happy for you. And what a great win. What a great performance on Saturday, well done to you so enjoy the victory and looking forward to what's next for you. Thanks for doing this. No problem. Thanks, get area, appreciate you have meal. Then he thought for sure, we will talk to very soon. There. He is the man. They call violent Bob Ross. And what a great story there about loving the blood all over him and feeling like he got reenergize after seeing the blood and enjoying the blood and his ears. I mean, that is just I guess that's why they call violent Bob Ross. And what about that story about his, his dad? Holy smokes every week, I sit here, and I tell you about ancestry DNA and there you have it. It's amazing. That's incredible. He found his dead only have to spend a little tube. They're not sponsoring today's episode. But I'll just tell you this. You spend the to put in a box and you send it and then you find your dad. What a great endorsement for good friends over at ancestry DNA. And now let us move along to our next guest. This is very exciting. Let us go all the way to beautiful. Beijing China there, you see Zhang away Lee who meets Jessica on drudge on August thirty first for the US's straw way title, she's being joined by her lovely puppy. And also her translator, Tommy, Wayne who's also joining us on the phone way Lee. Thank you so much for doing this. We really appreciate it. Don't go. What do you know? She got it. Okay, great. The first question I had for you was, what was your reaction when you found out that you were getting the next title shot. Eagle huger down the hor- a holiday. Yes. Any better? Trigger me, my tone, the kind of thrown in for some. What do you find? You gone Europe's continue. Trajan, a hallway milch on who I'm hyg inside all your g don't. Values. Jesuit auto. My very first first action was, I was really surprised that I was reading excited, 'cause that was really out of my imagination that you could shoot the title shot, and she has more. That's what you, you meet the end. How'd you do show around hole jour-jour, mainly chaining says a way Joji use it that don't side of shows you the whole hundred Xantia oil. The news at our whole on you. Known. Jindong all you hunt. Should you do it all on your show that you knew? Well, because I cal- to getting cry from some opponent that our calling up then what's sodden yucky? Call the up and Calvi to get ready for the title shot. Our kind of never then. Yeah. I felt like that was my up -tunities. And I've getting ready for it. Do you think that you would be getting title shot if this card wasn't in China? Rupaul the, the side, gunge inside. I'm had I e o mayo clinic or do I take the gun show. Think it will. Right. Did we lose their eight? Really? It looks as though we may have lost her. All right. Tommy, we're going to call back way Lee right now. What's that, who was more to Nala? You're the Yoko Ono as your. Aw. I feel I what can all. What where we'll Dr? What what creates seems? Watching the continual. Okay. No, she has fate. Here's your dog, which other sides. What would you do? Yoko Ono for the show. Which will shooting? I hall to. So immi- opinion. It's possible for me to get a title shot. Even if the five happens out of China that just like what Dana said, it's a perfect time it a perfect place. Everything works perfectly. It's amazing because you lost your debut. And since then you have won nineteen fights in a row. What do you think has been? And we haven't seen a lot of stars. Come out of out of China. What do you think has been the secrets your success? Why do you think so many fighters do not wanna fight you? Some teachers for either Belgian facial Calcott you. Actually actually can hotel Fujio. Leeann so I don't need you take tone court. You do you answer that. I made the union. Don't don't go plenty for their Salida your interest about you lay familiar to my thought. Gee, I may challenge. To be fat. Gyda. Creating. Jn. Hi, what can you do usual? Right. It looks like it froze up again. I think she's a lot. We just lost her anything before froze up. She's I think then, that's it does it. How long have you taught? Wow. I think I like twenty fifteen twenty. You're, and you're the translator who was with her when she wanted to while while you become very animated in the cage. Right. Our that crazy, dude there. Yes, it was amazing. I alive. I walked back ready to do. I couldn't control myself. I was excited. I was kind of over acting. I loved it, and I think we have her back. Is she back? I it. Hey, hey. That they got go go, go. He's. We own away. I know. Knows with your you. Or you engine will you let your made on this unit the whole? Hey, Gino soon either dome. Co on this day again you nations. Donald. The call on juries. So it was the to meet you. You going have children, Sydney two hundred million co all on. Trial by all that. Oh, so well invite opinion, the secret of being nineteen winning streak is I think that the desire with image would become a champion. Everything, and I keep working hard for them. Talk. She's gonna keep talking. She's, she's just having her dog say Hello to the camera, which is great. No. Oh, yeah. I may go shit. Armel. Would you. All the time. Dietrich me how the shown PA your whole tumbling. Yup. Always all canot on. What is your general gelatin? What I. The new, Sean. Being. So it might opinion all the fighters. Don't wanna find me. What because my Reichen was not that hard in every love Wasser challenge to champion. Everyone wants to get a title shot. So they don't think I am the children. How famous is she in China? And does she have any sort of understanding as to how her life can change if she wins the built on the thirty first of August, how big of a deal with that be where she lives? Okay. Todd then need him that Joan go train into a are now, home by the I e u haul, though, when ginger hall, do you need up three or showing you doing your show, quail and young guy. Yes. Jenna, ordure the juicers, Jamuna will Jenner. It. Hold on all Koon chin that Hanoi indulgent or USA. Now he had to though, what you're the future thought news. Hold your so would you this? What do you do? It's. On the door junior. College, I'm wearing the image. You don't want your that just either. Hall. So I'm getting more and more popular in China. I got much about a reputation now here, along with the development of dispersive 'em may, if I if I could win the title shot and become an, you have it a really good opportunity for more times people to know what am I may as and if litigated promotion for this sports? And also, the U F the organization as well. Why does she think there has never been a Chinese fighter in the you have C, who has had a lot of success, never fought for a belt before never really been top contender? Of course, Japan, we've seen a long history of mixed martial arts in great fighters coming out of there, but China seems to have been a little slow to develop what's her theory as to why. Do I feed shoe Rupa? I'm building gender giamet. You do if I don't need to, they don't, don't eat, drew for be the up. You don't not all they mail, you go pie to each male you go. Critical didn't tell yet cinders mail, you for general yet. Ecowas to the soldiers are what what's tie? We'll find out. Looney negotia holders our team cheetah. I made India, Andrew casher. Leeann. Does she make soldiers male UC Xu net? Also all those judges one eight yesterday with simple, cheuse seizure, anymore, total issue net combined. The combined. Vio- y'all Shaw round fee said show, you don't shop will judger shin- Jim. What? I made that you say comedian halt off the name. The woman jumbled into Angie. Creek to her. Shipping. All of our whole genome can do all of that's Schimmel. When we go. Hold on. Title. Two more. Being but Ardila Bill guess about what? To being me. But so as far as I know, I didn't know what I'm I've was to twenty two thousand six me personally. I felt the very first out of the game. I'm may five when two thousand safe by that time. And everything was within the Canterbury. We just Trent within the Canty communicate with casual with five within the country. We got nothing really international it. We've got no system to train the sport. And we got no, any, any coaches from China that now were offering to the whole road and ten fighters out of China. We fight and we trend everywhere in the world. We bring a lot of international highway new coaches here in China. We train here and we out China, we compete here, we come out of China, and we got a lot of young talent. So I, I think that will really we they the sports ama- may, we'll really grow fast here in China from right now. When did she? Start to believe that this was an attainable goal to not just be UFC fighter. But to be a UFC champion. Old joe. Sure, totally US, sequins put away you go, you have the chain other tweeted, you're going for you. Go rhino. Kronos, is under the mobile. Was your toll Shu-chen Chengyong as you New Yorkers all US Jody? And she's I think your whole woman, you covered Joe Joe. Hi, she seen. Now what what a piece I team. Two don't has been under Chun's will major them. We all made is all woman seniors whole would dollar sheet homes at union. I've made us they use. I cheated. Yeah. Chew USA thought that. Wish you on George, George. I don't just tune that woman that we'll be flown tweeting. Jason you hold. You just John, that you go to Hyundai Egypt, your John down hours away, Johnny, which is when the movie there's Wayne, we watch chain outgoing doing Ceva statement. So they do that. Go to close the knowledgeable UFC. The very first time USC started contacting wive in twenty sixteen back, then I, I didn't have enough experience. I was not ask you full and my team thought I wasn't ready for you. See yet and twenty fifteen I had over over ten, I'm a myth light and then track down through twenty seventeen. I had a lot of stand up five and also m five to skim it ready for a higher level organization. So like by twenty seventeen bold night team in I thought I'm ready. So I wanna be there. Just get a title shot. I don't wanna just get fun at eight you see fighter. I wanna get sign off. Of weighty, dangerous Pado container so much came to right now I'm gonna five title. My understanding is, she saw the first ever female fight between Ronda Rousey, and Liz promotion and became a very big Ronda Rousey fan. What was it about Ronda Rousey that really appealed to her? Oh, do you. Hey. I make make our she couldn't they commotion and they go leads come, come on. Come on. Come on. Then they go find niche on. On dollars. They weren't as a whole Lucy to tell you use your feet go out and eat some little she to. What, what nigga showed scissors reconquer? Judy legitimate. How tovia who will maybe the whole what you feed on you on the whole way usher, channel two, shutting juicy leads all g two g Lucia then she'll kind of how you whole, which anyway, GM share. Go. We'll still has your. Would you the new Jim new? She increase the only you go on only meant. Clean cars at who ninety all didn't cook convene or the St. homes may Hollister's Joe. Joe aren't Tom now. Hawaii sounds Geneva Judy. -nology. Shootdown. Well, when arouse iw was are really my initial inspiration. And she just inspired me because I had a I had other job back then. But when it when it when I see her when it's all her fight ought to go. I can man, you know what we may can also do really well, or even over like men in octa got. So I wanna chase my dream. I wanna become. Another someone Achi run a rouse -i. She witting star me. She was my modernization motivation. I loved her a lot. The UC just opened a performance institute in China. Will we'll she train there for this upcoming fight. You have on their Shanghai Kylo Todd. And then they make a PM out all the buffet which they pay John mall. Well will who issue which host Jim is your whole, I feed Humphries. Our desert, Kim politician end attend town that on the variable oil Kofu. We all the hip, sing heat, hyphen Hong, Tommy hell, all the show, would you was your thought on that? Ours are being joined join the four hundred you so when the Nari all shown Chantal help, you say. Teach on what can in which. Well, see, so the US EPA shun high is absolutely eight Hailin for our amid fighter, I do this time to train their get right before my title shot. I think the Java were there. The rehabilitations or nutritional Parma's, everything is great. And everybody's welcoming, I do wanna spend time beer to give myself more. Well rounded, definitely a love it. A lot of smart people, including my friend, shell son and think that she was young Lee is going to be just drudge on August. Thirty first, I'm curious if she has some sort of prediction as to how she thinks the fight is going to end. Part of PD rutta focal, the polio Boca Junkin true diving that those they don't cook. By the sunshine U-Haul to negoti ten so neither do all shall do become be t no. Here's that. On the engine, Georgia or going to under us around whether that come negotiable digital not now hall will the general with. Not. About. So I started a prepaid focus and attention androgen, since like are two years ago. Imada a painting, we won't. We won't do five round five eighths gonna be a either stoppage or a knockout. Okay. I'm looking forward to Tommy. I really appreciate it. No problem. Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm looking forward to the fight. This is a story. This is a very big deal for the sport August thirty first in China. John Li the first Chinese fighter to get a shot at a UFC title, and, and even though she's a Tom Brady and New England Patriots fan. We wish for the best over here. Thank you. Thank you. I'll tell her thank you. Okay. Thank you, so much, take care. Have a great night. Dow, y'all don't issue a lot time. What by the time he found the value? I'll tell you I go to this guy. Yes. Jeez. I love it. All right. She is. Thank you very much, guys. We appreciated John. Ueli out. She fights for the UFC straw title on August, thirty first in Shenzhen China and props to Azul way, leave for doing that interview at twelve thirty am local time in China. Tommy told me that she had she had to wake up at five o'clock to travel home earlier in the day, so she was very tired, but didn't appear to be tired. And I really enjoyed getting talked for the first time looking forward to that fight on August thirty first just a couple more things before we say goodbye. Speaking of historic developments, according to Roxana Maharishi. No on Twitter. As of January first two thousand twenty France will be legalizing mixed martial arts. And this is something that many fighters of French descent have have talked about Tom Duquesne, wa has talked about a check Congo Francis in Ghana who moved to France later in life has talked about. And so that would be a great scene to have a major MMA show in France. That is very good news. And how about Suga Sean O'Malley to wrap everything up here today. Writing in response to one Marlin VERA, who joined us right off the top of today's program. Let's be real anyone with a decent size brain knows it's a contaminated supplement. I'd be pissed too. If this happened to my opponent, but look at the sites one hundred percent innocent. Hopefully, they will prove it, and I'll be able to slap you upside your head. In fact, a story came out yesterday involving an Oakland Athletics. Starting picture pitcher Frankie Montas who was suspended eighty games without pay by major league baseball after testing positive for the performance enhancing drug Austrian he can return. It's timber, and he says that it came via contaminated. Supplement I've never intended to take prohibited substance. I fortune unknowingly ingested contaminated supplement that purchase over the counter at a nutrition store here in the United States, very similar to what Sean O'Malley is going through. Unfortunately, for Sean. This is now his fourth positive test. But it's all very small amounts. We're talking picograms once again, traces, and we're talking about the pulsing affect, and a lot of the same stuff that John Jones has had to go through so unfortunate for Sean. They're not moving the event for him. And he's going to have to figure that out at a hearing in late July and one more thing before I go the you have is headed back to Vancouver September fourteenth. They're going to Rogers arena. That was officially announced earlier today as well. I do want to mention that we were actually off next week. Yes. I know it's crazy. We're off next week till I, I, I will not be here, and I've actually have written in my contract. I cannot work on July. First I first candidate. So it's pretty big deal round, my parts. Yeah. So we're off. And so we'll be back to lie. Aides after you have to thirty nine and we'll talk about all that. That's going to be a big week in Las Vegas. I'll tell you more about why that will be a big week later on. But please do plan accordingly. That means. No arrow the bad guy from me on Wednesday. No Emma may reporters from me on Wednesday. No. Hell wanna show on Monday? But then back for the regular stuff on next Wednesday July third MA reporters bad guy. And then I'll be in Las Vegas as of Thursday morning for all the two thirty nights stuff. So I'm sorry about all that. I'm sorry. I don't have the leave you guys this is the first time that we miss. A show in the middle of the week or the middle of the year, I should say in maybe like three or four years, really. So it's a big deal. And I'm sorry, but I hope that you'll manage and do something fun and not miss me too much. All right. Okay. It has been a fun day. I have enjoyed it immensely. I hope you have as well. A who's who has stopped by today on the program. Thank you very much. Good friends over at vivid seats. And how about the shoutout for ancestry DNA? Thank you to them as well. We need to clip that off and send it to them. A great endorsement. So, like I said, you have back in Minneapolis, the Saturday also contenders series on Tuesday. We'll see what happens there. Also cage warriors on Saturday with six title fights on their cards, six night of champions. That's kinda crazy elevate titan. So lots of like this weekend is far as M is concerned. Thank you very much to Marlin barrel for stopping by congratulations to him. Thank you very much to Molly mcken. Congratulations to her on the big win as well. Thank you very much to Eddie Alvarez. Good luck to him in, August in his return fight, they much shoe Doron win. Congratulations to him on the big win. Thank you very much. Brennan, lock name, congratulations to Brandon, despite all the nonsense. Thank you very much to her moosh. Good luck to her on August tenth. Thank you very much to John Jones. Great stuff from him take very much to John way. Leigh and her translator, Tommy, Wayne, thanks very much to bell Levada junior congrats on the big win over gig with us. And again. Thank you very much to one of the we. Yeah, thanks off. You. Back in two weeks time place until I pace, I'm outta here.

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Episode 52: Jon Jones, Alvarez, Loughnane, Zhang, McCann, Pea, Vera, more

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Episode 52: Jon Jones, Alvarez, Loughnane, Zhang, McCann, Pea, Vera, more

"The. As and gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday, June twenty four two thousand and nineteen. Everyone American Hawaii. Welcome back to the program. Hope you had a lovely weekend. It was another busy, one in the world of mixed martial arts. And to be honest with you. We got a busy one here for all of you today. Loaded show, once again, stacked from top to bottom who's who joining us on the program and a lot of fresh faces a lot of first timers, if you on, I'm always excited when we have some fresh faces on the program. So it's going to be a great day. My friends, happy Ceja t stay to ya. If you're celebrating and watching in Canada, happy birthday to my mom our most loyal watcher listener viewer. She's been watching every single minute since you came over here to ESPN tomorrow's the one year anniversary of our first show time has flown. I think this is episode fifty two, I think we've done a full year's worth of shows not to mention all the radio shows and all that other stuff that we're. Doing the bad guy whatnot whatnot. It has been a fun year. And this is a good way to celebrate the one year anniversary. So, like I said a busy weekend in the books. Bell tour was in London. There's a new bell tower middleweight champion. His name is rough L Levada junior. He defeated. Giger masasi. What a great fight. That was if you missed it, I suggest going back and checking it out James Gallaher got back on track. Who else got back on track Aaron chompers got back on track? Fabian Edwards got a big win as well. So some good performances. None. That really sort of blew me away, so to speak, but solid performances and the kind of wins that I think the belts were breasts wanted to happen on Saturday, more thoughts on that card by the win a whole bunch of other things that happened in the world minimum on my usual Monday, ESPN dot com random thoughts articles if you want to check those out, please do. And of course, in Greenville, you have made it stay over there and beautiful, South Carolina. Anna. And Crean's ambi- came back and knocked out, not just fifty eight seconds. I was really curious how he would respond from that loss. Two year Rodriguez back in November, that was one of the most heartbreaking losses devastating losses that I'd ever seen recall, literally a second left in the fight he rushes in. He gets knocked out with that crazy. Inverted elbow. What to call it backwards elbow? And it appeared as he was gonna win the fight. Kriens ambi- was gonna win the fight for some reason he bum rushed him. And by the way, worth remembering that, when, when we criticized Mr. Brennan, lock Nane kind of funny, how that all works out. But anyway, he bum rush. You get knocked out and we have not seen him since then, and I was wondering how he would respond. He's a guy that kinda wears his emotion on his sleeve, but wow he responded and then some an amazing win a beautiful right hand. I mean, the whole thing was perfect. It was just fifty eight seconds long, but it was just an incredible performance and incredible bounceback performance for the man. They call the Korean zombie chance on junk. So we'll see what happens to not to Moi, that's to somewhat devastating losses in a row for him coming off that loss to Josie Aldo other impressive performances. Randy Brown had a great one. How about Andrea Lea and Molly mcken with another great win. Doron win had an amazing performance in his debut. Louise. Pain as well. So a lot of talk about their and of course, the you have C returns this Saturday in Minneapolis. They've been there twice before you have eighty seven back in two thousand eight was the first time you remember that show seek, and destroy they call the GOP versus John Fitch. And of course, Brock listener, Minnesota's own against heath herring. This'll be their third show that one is headlined, the one on Saturday on ESPN Francis and gugans JD as I would be shocked at the winner of that fight does not fight for the heavyweight title next. All right. Here's our lineup for today. And then we'll get to our, I guess of the day, the aforementioned Lewis pain, a-, aka violent Bob Ross will join us talk about his big win, over met, Wyman rough L Levada junior as I said, new bell tower midway champ. We'll talk to him at three twenty five. How about John way Lee, who is fighting for the straw way title on August thirty first against just drudge. I don't think we've ever had a Chinese fighter on this show. John will be the first I'm looking forward to that very much. She'll be joining us from Beijing. By the way, John Jones. Yes, Jonathan Dwight Jones will be joining us at around two forty five he's getting ready for Santos in less than two weeks. I'm looking forward to catching up with Johnny bones. Liz car moosh will meet Valentina Shevchenko in Uruguay second time they fight. She beater around nine or so years ago. They'll be fighting on August tenth, and we'll talk to this car moosh about that big opportunity. Brennan lock name. We'll talk about not getting the contract following his win last week on the Dana white contender series show, and all the controversies surrounding that Doron win will stop by talk about his debut, his victory, the fight of the night bonus against Eric spice spicy on Saturday. We'll talk to Eddie Alvarez for the first time since his loss his loss at the one championship fight that he was a part of just a couple of months ago. His debut for one championship. It did not goes way had a gruesome. I entry will see how he's feeling and of course talk about his return in August. And the aforementioned Molly McCann will stop by at one fifteen talk about her big win against Lipsky this past Saturday. But first, let's talk to the man, they called Cheeto. Vera Marlin VERA, he was supposed to fight, Sean. O'malley UFC, two thirty nine. Unfortunately O'Malley has been temporarily suspended by the Nevada State, let mission after traces of Austrian came up into out of competition drug tests. So he's going to have a hearing in July the United States anti-doping agency, isn't going to suspend him. Again, he was spending for six months by two and the. SEC a few months ago because of Austrian, but they're saying it's the same traces, however, Nevada has some questions. So they pull them from to thirty nine thus leaving Marlin era, at least for now opponent lists. So let's say Hello to Mr. Marlon VERA, who joins us right now. Marlin. How are you? Yeah I'm good. You know, I gotta keep going forward on the sharp, but the end of the day, I might fight somebody and I in my head, I'm fighting on. I'm losing way until they told me you're out, okay before I ask you more questions about that. I just have to address the elephant in the room because there, I am on Saturday, enjoying the fights minding my own business, and there's Marlin Barra, tweeting me. I think we have the tweet is this, the tweet there it is someone I guess, asked on the show. And you said, quote hell drama only promotes drama, and I was like, well. What's up with this? What's what's going on like that? What do you mean? Like what you like to promote the extra the stuff you mean like the fights like like the stuff that people really care about like, you know, the theatrics and the rivalries, and the grudge matches all that stuff. Yeah. But you like I wouldn't gets deep, you know. Anybody's good. You know. Grants congress but it's over a hell drama. Where's respect? It's a good nickname. I didn't know we had beef Marlin. I thought we were cool. Oh, we don't widow have. Okay. I like around. All right. Fair enough. Well, you know what? When I saw this nothing bad. When I saw that. I said, all right now, I want him on the show because I like drama, right? See, I got insulted you to me here. It's all good. Well done on your part. So thank you for that. I appreciate it. So what was your reaction when you found out about Sean? Well, I was in with the family, I was in MMA, Masamune, we were in the restaurant, and then I got a text from my Monday, your number normally tried to grab the phone when I'm with my kids, but then there was something about finals league so opened up the text messages, and then it was monitoring the coaches. Hey, they guide test positive or they explain me. I understand I was like, well, let's move forward. You know what I'm saying? There's no time for going, and setting salt and the guy you junior hours, usually. Okay. Move on. Let's, let's one five I take like five or four or five in that week or less Nari. So I guess there's a lot of guys like me out there, but I guess, not because nobody has taken. Do you believe the story that this is traces of the positive test, or you have doubts? I really don't give the ball what my alternates are fighters does. But let's be real positive. You've even if it was by accident you take a supplement. There's, there's a fun number. You can call you can call to ask ache and check these type of frauds, they will tell you look that certificated. It's all good. Or you know what the ingredients nukes, fine. But it's not certificate. So it's easy if you just positive is your console your dome. Go yourself you fucked up. You know what I'm saying? Like I everytime, I wanted to Bill or new superwomen Eichel. I have gifts Novitsky phone number. Everybody can have from number ten further. Yes or no? If you're driving, and you kill somebody is your phone you so for him. So it sounds like you don't really feel bad for accurate. Oh, I don't I don't. I don't give to my family, my friends, and that's it. When this was announced, I noticed that he was sort of making fun of your name and calling you Cheetos, and all that stuff that, that bother you. I don't even reply for that. Who who is the guy he fought to find that he barely win the series? No big deal. So I don't think he's over hyped. I don't even care about that, that good for him. You know what I'm saying his kind of famous now, so I don't I really don't, don't mind those things Barbie is wanna fight. And what, what, what my last three performances is what, what really count, you gotta go in their fight heart of finishers, guys. That's what really matter. You know, you can say whatever you want. You can talk, but you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Were you surprised when they offered, you him just because it seems like they're trying to build him up? And like you said, you've looked very good in your last fight. You're very tough opponent for someone like him Reese apprised that they were matching you guys up. I feel like this that it will go on, then we'll really good. It will break the ranking something like that. And probably going to do something good with the with the so I believe the winner will will will get all the good stuff the money, the, the petunias and stuff like that. So I was I was looking forward to all that. So this past week, we had John Lineker, who's supposed to fight rob font and Lineker had to withdraw from the fight. So rob font was left without an opponent. It kind of seems like the most obvious decision is to just make you versus rob font. Have they have? They talked to you about that. I saw that endorse. I, I kind of like to people, I know I've already did once when I fought in Argentina needs are, isn't what I signed for it. When I what I'm fighting. I really wanna heard got in front of me. I really have not no fills at all. So what's funny is really straining with us very legs like go out your Ceasar 'til you find anybody. But really, I os is them. Like the moment if psycho me, our or is too much Persian. Mary, but I feel like is working. I don't like to them on EMI's not be fighting for the title or something really big. So there's there's too much into nine and then there's a lot of fighters to. So I'm not tripping on that. Okay. So you are friends. We're not best friends, but we could really cool. And then, you know what I'm saying, like is only our boy, if I would him, but you use kind of respect that you gotta be also a man, and if you guys are calling the pas, and then there's nothing really there's not too much required of that filing. The winner will get shorter. They wouldn't get all these money on this. I, I don't feel it's worth okay? The ones I was certified Frankie science in Argentina and they. Oh me somebody. That was my friend, of course when that now's the five we were not friends anymore. So let's. Where do you think you will remain on the card? I so have they told you I hope so. They have anything I the only a minor air hits nothing for now. What if they say the only way you can remain on the card is rob font? Well, they're ready. Maybe probably they raise should say before they haven't said him. So that means they don't wanna do it. Okay. You know what I'm saying because he's five Pulau before mine. So they could easily be like okay much. But three days happen or today's and then they haven't seen anything. So I guess that's not the right move for them as I said, before I got to be honest, I'm making up. He just were to fight somebody, you know. Yeah. No, I respect that I respect you saying that how how many more do you think you need to win before you're in that discussion? You know along the algebra sterling's and the pewter Yan's Henry, pseudo champion, how many more on your mind. All they know already leading was number five on. He's only laws was Seagate, which was a champion. But then, so they know I fight, they know they find anyone I don't I'm not too. Big it with on the I'm always threatening. I'm still losing weight. I just finished turned right now in my head. I'm fighting. So maybe one more win. You know, I finished last three guys and then I got those laws decision in Brazil, they don't want my way but before they want three so, and then kill her when he was what he was with momentum in a Renault hero have dad, but I did when he was kind of like being a prospect. So I'm done to take any Fido there. So there's after call me, they know I find by the way, how is your daughter doing? We learnt about her, and you're trying to help her out how she doing. Can you give us an update? She's a great man. I get into surgery right before the fighting LA with China's guy now. She's minding his Munnings awesome. Now's my little my little daughter here. My Avon is with me right now she come to training, but unopposed grant, she now you can eat better. She couldn't speak better for nonce better, her English makes easier when you can move your mouth Betty, so wow. I'm I'm a greatest sport. And then that's what I care about being happy. That's it. So the surgery was success was says my daughter was just mile. Wow. That's amazing. And so, and you have an eight month auto she comes to the gym with you to watch you. Yeah. My wife brought in her, she's Will Carling around. Okay. I thought you just go with her just U2.. Oh, no. Not have funded the security guard, and how old is your son. My son is four years old for disease understand what you're doing now. Yeah. He's like that Caesar. No. You don't. He kind of understand they don't really know for real. They don't get all go down. They want you to win. They don't understand like that. But I cannot wait to, but there's there was supposed to come to watch me find, so we'll see what happens the whole family, the whole wife, three kids would that be the first time that they all go? No. When my wife was pregnant of, of my daughter there. What you're wearing LA staple center watching refined. Okay. Maybe almost came out because of the nerves and everything after the first round is that true. Okay. I guess the nerves are pretty high. When my friends fight upstream, I'd find taking my wife watching. I bet. And so let's say you get a fight on this car. Would you like? I mean, it's too soon actually, I was gonna say Uruguay, but probably not going to happen, right? From water her everything is back on till Mexico City. So I'm well like you know, I won't get upset. I won't cry. All I fly mom here to home in calm. I lose money that you don't get nothing of crimes. I will be like ours, from particular who keep turning. But anything I know if I don't find nets wick, I might be our until September really good for me. But it is what it is. Anywhere. Maybe they can they won. You know what I'm saying? When happens you kind of. You know. Making a big deal research, Kreiner are, you know, just having negative thoughts issue Maki wars. So I relate go as soon as told me if I were to ask I usually go. I remem- folks, I still shar, but there isn't too much you can do you can control not been inside. So I didn't put receives uniting and I use the Sepe. You know, did some go and relax at some point down the line. Would you like to get that fight back with Sean? Oh, I said, is before they over. Ms the future. I take is fi. I'm gonna guy that I always I lose to this guy jump to rungs, give to find I get paid if I win. So wherever defied. That's why I don't I bless have to fight. All right. Well, I hope you get that fight, my friend. Good to have you on the show for the first time. And thank you for calling me out. I appreciate it. Just to go ahead. I was going to say it's not only about the drama. It's just about stories. It's about stories and this was a good story. And I swear, you may not believe me, Marlin. But after this news came out, I swear, I was going to reach out to because I wanted to get your side of the story. I swear and then you created that I was like, all right? It's happening. Yeah. Okay. Now, I know how to get your attention. You're stuck said to you. We've Rijo bunch of bro. Extent that's fine. You can do whatever you want. I have respect for my friend, all the best much, and I hope that you get the fight. Thank you for doing this. Okay. All right. There is go Marlin Cheeto Veira hoping to get a fight on the two thirty nine cards allies six in Las Vegas. No longer fighting, Sean. Molly, we'll see how that whole situation pans out. Okay. Let's go back to Greenville now and talk about one of the big performances, one of the big wins on Saturday. Our good friend Meatball. Molly mcken had a big performance. She had a big win. However, I have a boat. To pick with Everton's finest mama can. Let's go to the big screen over here as I hold up my Everton mug. Molly, I we should have had the clip ready to go because you told me after you want in Greenville, you would be here in studio. With me is that not true. This is it. I'm gonna go to implement subs. Okay. Well, I don't blame you I'd rather be in Italy as well. But I was little, I was a little disappointed. I wanted to see you in studio. I thought that was the plan. But long lecture save distance square. One. Okay. Maybe in November. It's a deal. Yes. Congratulations. On the win. I still can't believe you fought three months after the way. You're I looked and that surgery. How does it feel? It's a amazing. I'll tell you what saw annual this. Oh. Oh my gosh. What happened? She pulled it. Washington was often. Okay. So does it hurt? The put the ear buds in. The proper squinting. I'm sorry about that. Well, and so the is okay held up fine. No problems. Now, actually find aerial actual Scott out of the tuxedo from the both of just arrived at my friend's house like life-size apple. This is all good luck partners as my box toil. Wow. Look, I notice Molly look at that nice hat. I like that. You're American hat. You got over there Yang. Was that wasn't your first time in America was it now animal twelve times? But first, I'm fighting in America. And did it feel different? Mom, I was more relaxed. Why? I'm just a believed I was ready to start a. It was just there was no crash because it wasn't home. I was the, the dog or multiple name. I just went out into the best performance on me. Life really wasn't it? You think that was your best performance ever? In teams of tactical fights, fighting toxic Leah 'cause I've been in fights, and I've been woes technically toxically, I did what I had to do to win. What did you like so much about the performance in particular? News. My hats and just try to knock it out. I box clever. The game was the hit and move ahead, poem and nine county strikes on a on a whole life room. It was Jamie, the lost fifteen seconds. When I threw down to the floor said, lex Gyles was, like vintage all. Yes, it was amazing. The crowd loved that as well. Speaking of the it seems like they really, they really took a liking to you, and you seem to have taken the lead into them. I've never been to South Carolina. There have been to Greenville. What is it like there, because seems like you loved it, yet it was like being an American live appeal. Everyone was just everyone just gave me free sloth a just was taken around the gym, and Greenville, amazing experience. We've been shooting balloons shooting shackled. Hey on now on the Wednesday before the fight. So I was like shooting Gooden's, and they was like, think you should do this in case of your shoulder Bill. It was fine. It was fine. A manager says unlucky to moving what was wrong with your shoulder. Oh, no often. But just in case they recoil on the gun. Oh, I see. I see. Okay. Okay. So then it all works out, and I wanted to ask you about something that someone wrote me on Twitter, someone said, like was Lipsky over hyped. She now Owen to now you know, did we have too high expectations, she's now lost to you and join Calderwood? What is your take on? That might take is just let you know that she just fought two of the best flyweights in the world. There's no shame in that now that you've been in the cage with her do feel like she was over hyped. I sent my fight with Lipsky. Joe Joe's fights Lipski was two quite different lights. I think my foot way was hauled, if a hate to pin me down to hit me with a weight, Jay Joseph multiple tie. So she just stood them hot wool. And then when she wanted to take down to a definite, you think you have to look Iran's fight to see how deadly she is. I come pull people away the same way she come a show. I don't in would offend a I was expecting the best vision of, hey, south Tacoma. Fight me on socks because she's just the loss and she was after that win. So she's movies another. And I just I notified there she do. And I got a close which canal to the top of the head. I didn't really get much Donald anywhere else at the main take too much. It was just a small fight insensitive, a hog Feith. I didn't even get onto face gave really. I'm sorry. I think I don't Bradford, just talking columns compose, which is quite new. It feels like at least it was sort of like a cage wars versus kit's, w fight NO. You're proud of your roots. Did you feel like this was a victory for your former organization? Yeah. Percents fail like came. To win away or title. And an denies ation is Maas. If obviously, the goal is always the Iraq both. She is go. Call up of the still Buteau. Does that anyone wanna wear tight when they feel divisions to know to me, and on, on the same cage while they alone me bring the ball if you on the today and the title shot, so? And publicly anyone the best in your obviously still beating sponsor. It was nice that we met in a Medicare unavailing about she was a face opponents. Never likes smartphone. Bought on a face to mulch at the way, ins really respect as a likable pace and on a really light fighting style on. Yeah, it was just being really enjoyable on, perhaps, my favorite moment of the fight is, when you took her down, and then you wave to the crowd. Why did you do that? Until I didn't think it was going to be as easy to take someone really way really wakes wrestling show. Hard real our name. I wanna talk it wasn't just like the like it was like a slum Josie. And then I just hit the crowds go. We had me. Just look, I looked up on a series Saturday like nine Colorado. So I asked to show Americans what was about show. You the better class of Bittel. Flashy nece in. Stoicism baldy. Aren't they? Well, it's wonderful to see you seem a lot more comfortable in there. Like like you are truly at home in the UFC. Right. Lost Jillian Robertson feels like it was ten years ago. Now. And now with does it was still hold me less fight. Let's fight with Spahn when I walked into the cage a long fairly calm and tame. Now when I was woken, said to my coach, I'm not scared to be on gold on gold on is ready to go, and it was an it's nice failed room rebel in me. So you're saying in this fight camp. It was still haunting you or going into the last one. Yeah. Knavish come it was still the so I felt a win in the AFC I felt a lot of USA, and I was so scared. In case I went back to the to the loss there were still some demons. I add to get rid off on a Fink performs through everyone. I rely on to all the trolls we said on she's this, she's on. She's Beal by performance as my performance at the total control me. What did what did it mean to you to have Michael being interview after the fight? I Shea Stadium in the week come loose. Richard speaks to me about well, he would say when I was fighting on your best win. 'cause you bristles on on our name, you pay the way for the Brits. So today to be like a female version of him. I said, on the female, you said. Got one goes. I, I'm all I'm all for Dr rice left on a Sunday knows maybe I'll take a fight against Shevchenko until weeks. Notice out if Nuttal. She's a softball beatnik Ruckle. I was like, maybe in the sauce. That's amazing. How quickly do you want to return and niggling injuries? The understated along affect me, hems drove home. On a just wanna take. Maybe full to six weeks covertly today. Okay. Did you get confirmation? It's broken. Not yet, but. Oh, I love an x-ray sued when did you break it. You know. It's the second round I should go on attract try to make it look like I was show boating Bickel radio. I was like all. Man. So, okay. So hopefully no surgery and you won't be out for too long. Have you ever? Even with Sanjay alone Belgian see week. I know you're believable, you're like wolverine over there, by the way, I knew something on Instagram and maybe it's an old thing, but I didn't notice it before I noticed that on Instagram. Your name is Molly McCann Pearson. Is that new? Now my stepdad do passed away. His last name was pacing show. I just took. I just took not. I don't when Molly. Married to a few years ago, 'cause it's not I didn't put only passed away, saying in the cumbersome will. That's my dogs, Leslie. Okay. But did you just recently put that on your game revolts had it there on? Okay. I try to pick up on these things. All I'm engaged now. Muzzle toes. I hope. Yes. I hope I'll be invited to that whenever that time, you know. It'll be a great party. Today's. Yes. Well, I felt bad. You know, when Liverpool won all that, you know, it hurt me in the heart. It was tough to watch wasn't it? You know, seeing data till and all those people celebrate. It was just a little much. The weekends. I went to boom, which is by. Islands a book sound south to medicines. I had to leave because it was I knew it was gonna happen. Awesome. I mean there's there so smug. Right. I mean, they're just act like you've been there before, okay? You know what I mean? Congrats see when y'all team win. The yes, yes it was great. Big as Champions League or FA copper, those really big things, but it was a nice little feather in our cap for my country. I hope you are rooting for them as well. Like I've adopted your club. You see. See on fight week of putting tweets say they listen to dri on fight leaf an almost like. Now, I didn't listen to Jay. That's silly, Drake. Curses no more. It's not a thing anymore. Dylan. Dana's crushed it. I don't know if you heard now. Update ya? Hosting case. Well, this, this looks like a phenomenal place that you're at the banners behind you. It seems like a great time over there. Time. It's amazing. Well enjoy it. I can't believe you did this. Right. Right. From the airport. You're real Mench. Molly, thank you. Thank you for doing and enjoy and get well soon. Okay. We'll talk to soon. All right. There she is. Molly mcken Meatball Molly always. I tell you every time I talked to Mullen McKenna, I'm always in such a great mood. You know how do you not love her? She's just always so positive. Oh, so happy. And that was a great win for her against Lipsky. I'm not ready as I as I mentioned to that individual on on Twitter. I am not ready to. Say that Lipski was over hyped. She had one nine in a row going into that fight. Yes, it was against maybe lesser competition case. Wsb WSB very good. So it's no knock on case W, but Calderwood's very good. One of the very best, I want twenty-five and Molly McCann is very good. Those are tough fights, she's living these days in New Jersey training in New Jersey, and maybe moving her her training to, to New Jersey and. Working on her wrestling will go a long way for, for Lipsky lest. We forget, one Crean zombie chanson junk, lost his first two fights in Zucca back in the WC days, of course, the first one against Leonard Garcia was highly controversial, and most people thought he won the fight, but the record book shows that he lost those two fights. And so losing to enroll shouldn't be the end of your career, but you do have to adapt and flyweight is coming along way, a lot of tough fighters, a lot of wrestlers at flyweight will be talking to one of those later in the program, Louis car moosh, who will be getting title shot against Valentina shift chanko. She was supposed to fight Roxanne modify on July twentieth in San Antonio. But they moved car moosh from that fight to fight shift chanko on August tenth in Uruguay. And now monetary fighting Jennifer Maya who she lost via split decision in invective. See around. Three or so years ago, matter moments, we're going to be joined by former UFC and Bill Tor. Lightweight champion. One Edward Alvarez will be joining us. I've been trying to talk to Edie Alvarez for quite some time. He is often an elusive fellow but he is kind enough to be joining us. He fought in one championship back in March. Unfortunately, lost that flight to Timofey nasty you. He will be returning to action in August looking to get back on track suffered a gruesome injury in that fight against Timofey. And so I'm looking forward to getting his thoughts on what? When wrong his recovery remember that injury that I intrigued, we have that photo, it was like his eyelid just split in half. It was it was gruesome a very, very scary injury. But glad to see that he's okay. He was a part of our Hawaii roadshow. There's the entry right over there. I mean, look at that whoa. So without further ado, let us say Hello to Eddie Alvarez on that note. Eddie are you there? Well, now we're looking at your your eye, but I think we can't see you. We're about to see you moments. There you already. How are you? Doing all better. Oh, better. Wow. Well, it's good to talk to you, my friend what happened there. Can you tell us what what exactly was the injury? This. Yeah. Okay. I had a torn coronal, which is part of the retina tour or detached. And then I let my I laid so. My top eyelid. Bottom eyelid splitting. Splitting hairs during from punch, man. And how long did it take to recover? Wasn't. It wasn't super long. Maybe like to chew weeks for the coronal. It's not non-surgical the anything no surgery done. And. The island itself, they stitch, it really well, in Japan, which I was lucky. They did a really good job and that was probably like three weeks time something like that. So did you feel that right away because it did seem when he landed at punch that it really affected you in that was kind of the beginning of the end. Did you feel that right away? And if so, what did it feel like? The worst injury that I've had in my find baby sixteen years now. So never had anything feel like that. I never during a fight stop giving about the outcome. The opponent I immediately didn't care about anything other than getting a hospital fast fossil felt like my, my wall kind of like exploded and, and then I can feel the air, getting into my I like directly in my so it was more of a I don't know. It was more. It was as career-threatening. That's, that's what I felt like the immediate immediate feeling you saw your I was gonna fall out. Now fall out, but I was getting gossip blood, like a lot of warm blood straight from eyeball. And I thought that I it my I am odd ball. And I thought you know, there was a possibility of maybe site an issue with site. So I wanted to get that hospital soon as possible. Even when we got the author, they were doing they're messing with it with stitches doing stitching eyelid and then out of nowhere. I had a gosh of blood coming out of my. Almost like I guess, like a blood blister. Like the kind you get on your finger. When you pop on the, you get, like a burst. It would. I had that, but I had it in the white part of my so one of the pop when I was in hospital. It was it was nasty man nasty night while okay? So in the end, though no surgery needed, correct? No, surgery was. Detach kuroyedov. I don't even know what I'm saying it right. But on they told me no surgery. And that should be healed up within two weeks or so. And then just the last ration- of the eyelid just wait till that heals. All those obviously a lot of attention on this fight, because it was your debut, you left the CU sign this big deal leading up to the fight in Japan being back there when you start with a new organization, you're not new to this, but there is always that, you know, that feeling out process. What did it feel like just being in a new organization for the first time in a while? I didn't like the immediate tension. I was getting. I thought goes on deserved. I didn't I didn't get into wins under that banner. So. I don't know. I like going into promotions. Kind of playing the underdog and earning earning. My respect. So I feel like I, maybe that's why I don't know. I saw consciously lose my debuts in promotions. Just so I can have to fight for something. So I don't know men, but I love fighting in Japan a love going over there. The sleep thing was a little difficult going over there. And just in for thirteen our sleep pattern thirteen hour difference that was difficult. But other than that, I felt mazing I that's why I took a flight immediately. Like I took a flight in August, because regardless of the outcome, the last point, I got so much better over that four months of training for my debut that I just didn't feel got the show it. So I took a flight August second just because I felt like I gained so much momentum and. I got so much better as a fighter that I wanted to play that, but you can understand why there was a lot of attention on us a big deal that you were signing over there. No one hundred percent. I just don't like. I don't I felt like I was getting a lot of not I'm not saying the tension, I'm fine with attention, just respect like. I don't know. I feel like respect this kind of earned, it, it's on deserved until you go somewhere and actually start beating guys and become the champion a thought. There was a lot of already on respect there. I don't know. Do you feel more pressure to justify the big contract? Now. No. I don't think I've seen some online a little while ago. It's like you're not you're not paying me for a flight. You're paying me for sixteen years, you know of of doing what I've done. So I don't I never look at it like a here. Now thing like I don't, I don't get paid for my fights for what I do for fifteen minutes inside the cage, I get paid for being a lifelong Marsh artist for doing this for, you know, the twenty years of my life. That's why I'm paid. And in this particular you fought a when seventy. Right. Because of their their, their way, cut rules. How did you feel about that? A. Yeah. I love the fact that. That was a hydrated way in that. I didn't have to. I have to wait but I'm still trying to figure that whole thing L. I don't I don't there's no way I can make one fifty five hydrate. It I can't do that on. There's no way I can do that. And play by the rules that, that I'm giving. But I felt like I want seventy I did feel like the guy was a lot bigger than I was. So I needed to figure that out. I mean, how is that even possible like there's just no way, right? And how do they even how could they know if you're height, what do they do to find out if your hydrated or dehydrated at one seventy as opposed to one one one fifty five, how do they determine this? So yes, before you even weigh in. So if you don't pay Cidre ration-, you won't even you won't even get a chance to weigh in and pass that. So you have to pay the hydration first and foremost, you have to call and UPN a cop, and they tested with the I don't know. It's like a metal pen, stick or something, and they cast it there clarity of the P, and she if it's it's hydrated or not, as long as it's hydrated, you have to go away in after that. And then hit your hit your one seventy are under more as long as you do them to things and pass then you pass that test for for that day. Okay. Wow. And okay. So when you step on the scale though, you're one hundred seventy pounds, correct. Not one fifty set. Now one fifty one seventy fully hydrated. You can't be like, if I step on one seventy and my piece, neon green or neon orange. Like, like it is, when one fifty five there that I fell, okay, and as far as the organization goes, just, you know, you've been in organizations before, but there's so much attention on them as they continue to grow. And now signing a lot of fetish for America, the way runs operationally and all that stuff. What was that like for you? Incredible. This this show itself is like nothing that you'll see here in America. Air-minded me what I thought back in dream the they present the fighters, like old school pride before the matches Sartre. They present the fighters and then they on they got the war drums in the beginning. The actual show itself is it's, it's an incredible show to go to if you're, if you're hardcore Mitch martial arts fan, or even if you're not the show itself is electric inside. It's a weird thing with with the fighters leaving the U of C. I feel like there's some people who in, we're we're maybe I'm wrong like almost like put an evil eye out there. Like they, they root for you guys to fail outside of the U of C to justify the decision not to sign. You do feel do feel those eyes on you feel like there are people that are happy that you failed in your first fight outside of you have to say, look, we, we didn't sign a move the right thing to do. Yes. But they're I mean, they're always be people who are happy about my salary, but they're the same people who are happy about everyone else's fires. What I learned over a stretch of time in this sport. Like with fans and things like that of the nothing is personal toward me. I never looked at anybody's bad feelings, personal toward me. It's usually a Alon about, like what's going on with them personally? So, like, if someone's wishing for my downfall or want something then on me, it just says, more about themselves than it does about me. I don't I don't pay attention new that. So I really just really try to focus on my fans and they encourage not yet from the people who are, you know, saying, good things, did you feel like you gotta love afterwards, who's on. Who's there your son daughter? What does she want? She needed her pokey yoke. Did you feel like you got a lot of love afterwards, especially with the injury? Yeah. I, I, I always get crazy amounts of work win or lose. There's always haters. You'll they'll never go away but win or lose. My fans have been Whitney. Like I never looked at this sport. Like one fight this, this fight means everything, I never looked at it like that. I'm in love with the sport of mixed martial arts. And I've always have been, I've been a long-term thinker. Not won one championship won anything. Everything I've done was over the course of many years. So I have a different way of UN things in a normal fighter or a normal person who's been in sport for short period of time. Timofey is very good. Not very well known here in America. Did he surprise you at all? I knew I knew we had the wrestle at some point. So I think I waited too long to wrestle, but I knew going into the fight, we're going to have to wrestle to take away, this guy's explosiveness his speed and its lows of nece for how big he was, was shocking, that was usually when, as a guy gets bigger as they get more muscle bound, get everything you usually loose speed. And you lose that, that pop. He was incredibly fast like, like a like a feather weight, fast and very explosive. So that was shocked by that more than anything. But I knew going into the flight, we we'd have to wrestle at some point, and where that out to be able to even even up the speed difference. So on. If I was surprised by anything it was this speed in explosiveness, inside there you looted to this earlier. You lost her. You have see debut against Donald Sironi, did you, did you take any positives from that experience and try to remember them as you were dealing with this one were there any similarities between the two experiences? It sort of came to mind, when we were digesting all this, like he lost his, you'll see, but ended up becoming UFC champion. Did you draw any similarities between the two experiences? It was just so long ago. Ida different thought out of different mind than like after this aronie fight. I probably sat. And dwelled on that for so damn long that I lost pressure training, hours trying to understand why. And, and if I did this. And if I did that and I've done that for fights in the past, and that's been my biggest regret is just kind of dwelling too much on losses. Walling too much on fire versus just kinda understanding. It's, it's part of my process, just got to get my fee way. And just continue focusing on continuing to grow each day. And that's kind of what I'm more proud of myself that I've lost. And I didn't let it affect me the way I let losses affect me in the past. So that if I if I grew any way, if I showed growth in any way, was that, that I didn't allow the loss to kinda take control me. I just it happened. A was I pissed off. Yeah, I never liked the lose. Competitive. But I got right back in the gym and continued to get better. Have you been punched in that yet? Yeah. Yeah. We've been sparring quite a bit. And no, no, no reservations, as feel weird. No, no, okay. Great. The fight that I think everyone at some point, I thought maybe they would do it in this next one, they went with Edward. But I'm wondering if Shinya Aoki is is on the radar. Are we going to see that fight again? I'm sure he is. I'm sure he is. I mean that's a trilogy. He got me one. I got him. One. For me. I just I badly want to be fully his tall. The bell is been. It's been the champion over one and he's a hell of a fighter so I'm barely just want to be the former champ. I need that need that under my under under my bell. And then I can go ahead. And I see that being a natural progression. Fully hang to Okie to somewhat of somewhere near title shot from there. Is it possible that you slide back into the tournament of someone falls out? Is that on the table? I don't know. I don't know what's possible. I'll be ready to fight. So whatever happens that be nice. It certainly will. Yes. Or would be nice. I should say, yeah. It's been interesting. I do you find. You have some kind of connection with DJ and sage since the three of you went in there. I know you're not connected as far as training, or even where you live. But it does feel like we've kind of group do three together. And you know, even DJ's fight that night was very tough. It didn't go sages way. He had the surgery do feel any kind of kinship with them or am I making something nothing here. No, I today Jay. So we checked back and forth on I, I look at office, sort of find yours for the sport. Not DJ's, Don. It all seen it all. You know, he, he to me is probably the best guy do it. Nobody's dummies Donner even came close at some point fighters are gonna have to stick up for themselves. They're gonna have to find out what they're worth. And there's only one way to do that. You gotta have the carriage fight out of your contract. And she what else is out. There are so DJ was brave enough to do that. I was brave enough to do that. And so a sage regardless of criticism, regardless of what the, the masses are going to say. Sometimes you have to do that in order, for anything to grow, and I think it helped sport grow. I think people are understanding one guy, does it. Two guys do it in next thing you know, on people understand that there's a, there's a whole nother larger market out there were worth worth a lot more. We're selling yourself. Short eddie. I appreciate it. Very well said, I couldn't agree with you more happy to hear that. You'll be returning in August. That's one championship one hundred Don of heroes and I'm happy to hear that. You're, you're is doing okay as well. And better luck next time with the trivia gave him the game your best shot, but I got big plans for you. Okay. So I'm hoping that you'll come back, you'll go back to the drawing board. And we'll see you next year. Right. That was an old college. You see you badly third. See. There, I would have loved to been next. Stephen. That was it. That was that was a dream seat you gave steep. Okay. I'm sorry. All right. Next one, I owe you one. All right. All right. Thank you. We'll talk to soon all the best to you there. He is the king himself returning in August. Great to see him in good, spirits, and great to see the eye doing good as well. All right. So that's a former Bill toward champion. Let's go to a brand new Bill toward champion, the brand new Bill tour middleweight champion the one and only Raphael Levada junior joins us right now. I believe he's in the airport leaving London is is that accurate Rafael? Yes, sir. Sorry about the circumstances. I'm getting ready to hit the Spain for a little -cation. I got this spinning cherries, background. I can now look at that stuff and not lose my mind. So I'm pretty happy. Well, I'm sure you're happy about the win as well. No problem. This is what we do for new champions. We changed the whole show round to accommodate your schedule. So happy that you're able to join us. No problem for a few minutes has it has it sunk in just yet your your bell tour. Midway, you just be one of the greatest fighters of all time gig massage on Saturday in a phenomenal fight has that has that reality sunk in. Not quite you know it's also surreal I dreamed it so many times. And then, you know, for it's actually be here is just like you think I because I saw it so many times in my dreams that it'd be like, oh, yeah. This is, you know, I was ready for this, but not really I'm just writing the this amazing wave of momentum and energy in love right now, I barely slept at all since the fight just received so many messages, very grateful. It was a war, and it just felt like a rocky movie. And, and I mean, it was surreal, just a real, you want via majority decision. One judge actually had it forty seven forty seven how confident were you that you actually won the fight? I knew that I was able to pull three rounds. You know, I just wasn't sure about that was a fourth round when I got dropped. And that's what caused that one judge that have draw. So I was a little worried that everyone else might have seen that as a ten eight. But when I heard the first judge say forty-seven the they read the first score as draw in the rest weren't. I was pretty sure at that point that I was going to be able to get it, but it was extremely close fighter definitely came down to that fifth round. Now is your ten pro fight. You've, you've competed on big stages before in jujitsu. And we're looking at some great scenes courtesy of bell tour from the fight on Saturday in London, but did this feel different for you? I mean you're, you're fighting a legend, you're fighting for your first major title, you're fighting in the main event of a big show did it feel different? Did you feel more nervous in the early going of the fight, and maybe that contributed to your performance early on? You know, I wasn't shoot to nervous. There is definitely a few moments roll like okay? You know, need to be very sharp. Like this saucy standing in front of me going into the fourth and fifth rounds. You know, especially after his powerful third round and the momentum swing man. Two more rounds. It was a bit of an intense moment. And those are my first time to championship rounds and I'm doing against a legend guy that's been there so many times. You know, and I dropped the fourth round as well, but then that fifth round, I dunno man, something just came over me and it just said, you can do this. Let's go out there. Give everything you have get this round. This is your time, your, your chance your moment, and I was able to pull through and I'm very happy and proud of how I got that fifth round my very first fifth round ever against one of the grades in victory. So yeah, I'm very, very happy with that in that clip that we just show. There's a moment where your mom actually goes up to massage. Thanks him for the opportunity for you to fight him. And it seems just based off your social media that you're very close with your mom. I see mentioning her showing pictures of you and her can you talk about your relationship with her? What, why are you guys so close and does she usually go to all your fights? They were seeing your mom very happy fights as well. Yeah. No. She is all my fights dad's in my corner. You know have a very very close. It's a team, but, you know, it really where family and she's right there. She's the kind of the centerpiece of love for everybody. And, you know, something that we always do we always give respect to, to our opponents. And, and, you know, she, I think she could see them saucy was pretty this appointed. And she wanted to stop them and wish him. Well. And of course, thank you for the opportunity, because, you know, he is a legend. He has a chain he could fight basically anybody he wants and he gave me the opportunity, so. I think it was really cool. The my mom was able to do that. I fortunately did not have the chance to massage his hand after they read off to the season he left so quickly. So she kind of did it my place. I guess you just turned thirty six happy birthday to you. In fact, if my math is Craig Saturday was your birthday right? You want this on your birthday. Well, no, actually they wish me happy birthday a little early. My birthday is tomorrow, Tuesday, twenty fifth so, yeah, I already got my gift early. And now I'm offer vacation for my birthday as world chant, man. It's, it's incredible. Well, that is amazing. Okay. So I guess online, they need to update that because it says twenty-second is your birthday, but nevertheless, close enough, and you only made your debut in two thousand fourteen meaning you're what thirty two or so little later. And of course you had you had a great run as a jitsu practitioner. Why did you enter 'em may later on in life? Well, you know it was all about. Like making sure there is no regrets, no point in my in my career where I will look back and say, I wish I would have done more into jitsu wish would've. You know, try to win this tournaments more anything like that. I gave everything I had until the point where I felt like there was nothing left for me to prove I was very proud of my career. And I always knew at some point I wanted to do and you know it worked out great because there was Ardy in my thirties. Mature. I knew exactly who I was what I was fighting for. And I've been able to go on a great run since. And I think that's why in two thousand fourteen I believe you had major shoulder surgery. And you posted that photo recently, I think we have that photo where you were telling people at that time when you when you suffered the injury there you are after surgery. And saying, you didn't know what was going to happen to your career, if you'd ever be able to really realize your potentials and may fighter. How did you suffer that injury? And do you remember how you felt sitting over there in the hospital? And if I would have told that guy around five years ago that you become a champion and Biltmore and beat someone like air Masasi. What do you believe me? He definitely would not have believed you my whole life was on. Pause. Everything was up in the air in that moment, is definitely one of the toughest darkest moments of my life winters, from deep depression, coming out of that. I actually suffered that injury training. Shitsu. You know, it was just a freak thing and just nothing crazy. Marm didn't like role behind my neck or anything like that my arm actually barely moved. But it was just the way the forces were in that moment. It just snapped. My, my shoulder. Couldn't take it. And you know that whole process really made me find who I was and really align myself with what my goals were, and what I wanted to come back. And once I felt like I had a second run it left inside of me. It became all about imate and just sort of like being young again, having that dream as I did when I was a kid going up shit suits, become a, a blackout world champion, just re- reset that into may and I told myself that, you know, I think it can do this. A five year. Run in basically have made it to major. We're gonna say, Shen. Just climb the mountainous quickly as I could. Every fight has been harder than the last, and then next in there with the legend in all just man, it came together in a beautiful way. It's, it's incredible surreal. And you guys were supposed to fight back in January, and he pulled out because he got hurt. My understanding was they were thinking about booking Yoon another fight. Did you feel like the gods were conspiring against you in that your title show was being taken away from you where you worried about that? I was very worried about that. I didn't understand we didn't understand the, the extent of his injury and how much time he needed. So I was left in limbo. Wondering and I try to stay ready because I thought maybe it could just be a quick turnaround something we could do a month or two later. And, you know, if finally looked like it was going to take a while, and I did consider doing another five, but I was like me, and I've already put so much of my energy, I already did half a camp. All my focus was set on him. I just didn't feel like go anywhere else with my focus as far as intimate. So I did a couple of gravity matches just to stay busy. And then I got the call. And for me it all worked out even better. I had more time to prepare and we got to headline London. I got to bring on my friends and family, the London and do this big show. I mean it was destined the way it went to go. I do you have to do you have to board your plane. I'm good. She just gave me a thumbs up. I have I have seven minutes seven minutes. Okay. That's amazing. I'll ask you one question. Machida musashi. It feels like it's a two horse race as far as who would be your first held events. If you had your way, who, who you picking? Man. I mean, it'd be awesome to fight Machida. Another legend and get that experience. I just spent seven months thinking about Masashi pretty much every day because of the postponement. So it'd be nice to be able to put my mind somewhere else. And think about someone else for a little bit and get a chance to face another legend. I'm not sure what Machida plans, are if you want to say two five or go after the middleweight title, but it'd be an honor to make you my first fence the dragon versus the American samurai and then you know. Michelle Michelle saucy pick up another win or just wait. Whatever he wants to do, and we can do the rematch after that. So. Okay, my name there. You are. All right. Do your thing. My man congratulations to you. Thank for doing this, while you did it under a lot of pressure. And I didn't even notice. So thank you for doing it. Safe travels and happy birthday, congrats on the win. Thank you very much for having me. Sorry about the circumstances. And I'm used to the pressure as you can see absolutes. Next time. All right. Thank you. Well, done rough AL Levada junior. That's, that's a stressful situation. Right. They're, they're calling you on, on the loudspeaker. You got to board a flight. You're going to Spain to celebrate with your family, and he didn't. I mean I would be sweating. I did a sportscenter interview sorry namedrop on on Friday and it was one percent left on my camera. And I was freaking out. I was like sweat pouring out of my head. I was so nervous that it would shut off in the interview, and this guy's just shown planes about the leave, and he's Chilin talking to us. Well done rough AL Levada junior new Bill toward champion beat gig Masasi amazing. I have a feeling they'll go with Machida next. But. Let's see what happens there, because you can make a case for Masasi earning. A rematch as well. Great performance from him. Congratulations. Well done Levada junior. All right. Let's move along to our next guest. This was a big story last week. We spoke to him a week ago around this time, Brennan locked Nain the mckeon. He went to Las Vegas. He fought on the Dana white contender show. He won. He looked impressive. Dare I say he had the most impressive performance, and yet he is still not a member of the I talked about it at length controversial decision. I'm happy that he's on the show. I'm glad that he's giving us some time here to talk about it all Brennan. Thank you for doing this. No problem, anthem derives on your show twice a week. That's what I'm talking about. Listen, you may not have gone a UFC contract, my friend, but you have a home here. Okay. I was impressed. You should be there, and we'll get to all that six days later. How are you feeling about all this? Yeah. Feeling fine. Like I say. The only thing you can do in this life is going to be best than that. I did that. So what everyone else says those after the ice is their opinion wherever I went to all in that five all do have you watched the fight again. Based on what you remember. Is there anything that you wish you could have done differently? Go for a dollars. Okay. So let's talk about that because I can't even believe that you, you say that I understand why you say that. What is going through your mind? Let's say twenty seconds left you have any recollection. What's going through mind that leads you to shooting for that double-leg? Yes. So is the point so lead up to that fight the Plum was I'll Joe's good everywhere. We could mixon Tate. And also did a prefight thing was said, look, all all you Kate guys absolutely slated. From dot wrestling so far. You know, a good wrestler for show in the fight to the spur seconds left, that can Brenda points, points crews and get a points. The biggest goal is to take down, which is, which is confusing. Because then you get told now is not. So what was that really are so, yeah. Beating the guy up on the on his shots and mixed over to take down for chilly. It goes from your contract. And so when you hear that, when you hear that explanation, when you see the reaction what is going through your mind as a mixed martial artists like this is being painted as a negative thing as, as almost, the thing that is a detriment to your performance as almost illegal in a way like it's such a horrible thing. How dare you shoot for take what is going through your mind? When you're listening to that. Kind of confusion, especially when I grow up in spoke up in alongside Al to take down on you wanna fight it used to be like an now obviously detrimental get concepts of the show. And I just wish it was explained bit. Stop. No buying up -solutely. No problem. Do not other showing it. So if I want to know what not what, you know, a great thing I did what? After the fight was over you go to the back. What are you thinking? Do you think you got it? I wasn't sure the United stone at cruise what he thinks he's on several good. So did it all. And then oversee you putting for David, you told knowing not moment, was was very nice feeling said illness, especially when light. You know, I had a great before was never guys on the show is you give me someone that's free. And I'll show you straight killer and seeks salvageable the hottest file everyone. And when you have to fight against high level, opponents saw the Feis also, there's, you know, right when when, when you have that scene where you guys are sitting there, and you're listening to that expansion. What is that, like? Crazy to go about twenty covers on your slows people stood there. And it's like you gotta come before you facing sold. No. He's like no one tells you to get to do you like what do now. I kind of felt right? And so even if someone says we want straight killers in there. The thing that I'm having a hard time coming to terms with Brendan is that we're not talking about you shooting with sixty seconds left or ninety seconds, left and laying on top of your Ponant just writing out of victory. We're talking about ten seconds here, very likely. You are not knocking him out in those ten seconds. If anything, you're going back and forth. Okay, it's a nice little sequence, but we're talking about ten seconds. Don't you feel like this is all getting a little too crazy? Like it's a little overblown what we're talking about here. Yes. Specially when you grapevine airline lie ego and buck of fall short y'all. I mean good shots on a great fight at the whole place done in on the everyone homeless defy. Just. Aw, with kind of performance show. That's what you want out. We in the entertainment business, and we definitely entertained an adult think over Pfizer very entertaining, disrespect to them. Well, you know, families that they went and got Trump's Hoppy Franklin on the show. A definitely think additional. What did you think of the apex that, that, that new facility now that you actually got the fight in there? What was that like gotten surreal it was a four hundred over five before four like, kind of like an empty room, and that sorta felt like cycowicz feeling like especially your great fight and user crazy. Crawls, go is mental. There's none of that going on in like is really subdued atmosphere, and it makes it very real. Because like say there's only a handful of Pete. Well, it's probably about lot of people in that when used to find in front of what five thousand is actual Priscilla is in the arenas. Incredible. Do you feel like there's more to this decision, or you're just being judged on the fight itself? I have no idea. I've been warning you over for about six years. And I've watched number six seven eight fifty twelve signed on this stage. Get much people's Asha Johnson approp- accountable took this opportunity, the first one that came a going a well cluster fall and you still don't get one. So now don't go nowhere so good. So not to give me a good off announcer to get. Over show. Okay. So you're not a conspiracy theorist nothing else has happened. I'm trying to figure out if something else has happened in the past between you and the of see someone there just to kind of make sense of all this result, the same question every day. Okay. And to the best, your knowledge, there's nothing. I, I can think of four four. A fall Novum park. O'neil file pup guide is a all my oaks NFL Bill. Joe on every single one of them fights Imbaba storm as you go. What Jamal great performances and then yeah, I'm still. It's all about why contracts is crazy to me on this. And so, to the best of my knowledge they have thirty days to from, from the fight itself. So from last week, if you win on the contender series they have a thirty day window where they can sign you is that accurate and about really read aside. Maybe you should. That's my understanding. Meaning if you lost the fight you can go sign anywhere. But for the next now twenty four days, you can't go sign. With someone else tomorrow. They have the rights to you. I'm just wondering did you get any kind of impression because I saw a lot of people afterwards say this is all part of a master plan. They're going to sign him. It's making him into a bigger star. They're going to pick him up. Did you get any impression off camera behind the scenes that you're someone that they're still very interested in and you have a chance to be signed? No. Where did he was speak today to why only time I've ever seen? Dana why in my whole life was gonna cage shook his went into buck of never seen him since noticing it will fall, if this must applaud this first news, I know. 'cause nobody spoke to myself. David exhibit, even Celso thank you know, and matchmaker, executive, no one went to the back to speak to you afterwards. Thank you for coming. Thank you for the fight. Thank you for your time. Good luck. Nothing. Wow. Does that surprise you? I mean the wall signed for assigned prizefight for contracts ago. No pine on the buck. I don't anything like say lead fi at a great comp every into the file when every single round be the guy to death. Still get what went also now it's time to. On and see what's, what do you even want to resign with the U of C or sign with you? I should say, do you have any interest after going through all this, if they called you tomorrow and said, we have an opportunity next month for you. Are you interested? If the US was, I don't know. Sister hard minute, especially we're only six days, I'm showing over it. But right now still going to take, you know. I know that Bill is going out and trying to sign every free agent in the UK. My understanding is they actually did speak to you. Not that long ago. But you wanted to try to hold out hope to go sign with is that accurate? That was a few people that was fell case w that was Bella toll. Yes. Every single one way out for, for the contenders to try and make up. And so, yeah, that's where it was without so up for me show, a little communication with all. Do you regret that now? No, no bit on an opportunist, a lot say even though this was the lowest money, least opportunity was the best opportunity for two won the contract in so's of financial gain it with the lowest in terms of like these, these ballots owed. PF L is when a million dollars in five moments of some of the of office. Really good. So like you say it's not to do all and end all go bucket. Look at them. Yeah. I'm excited for the future. We'll yeah. I mean you take away any, any silver linings do you see any silver linings and all this? You are a lot more. Well known. I mean Wednesday the day after the whole MMA world was talking about you. You were the biggest story that has to be good, right? That's definitely a plus, if you can say, I mean, if you look at the citizens of talks you about and no one really, to see them at least now up in justly. Don't you could say in front of the world? Everyone got every poll mean you Thomas and all of shows, Evan did a breakdown and show. You saw PC's run. Legend. It was legendary and it was hot wallman donkey, Evan got behind, especially yourself. You know, you kind words it was great to see it. Definitely chip. We'll pull the winds volley with broken the host did you in fact break your nose broker knows his blow? Yeah. Okay. Well, I let me ask about the knows. Do you need surgery on the knows? No realistic, my first rodeo. Okay. And, and the peeing of, of blood is that a common thing for you, not once before about five years ago. It was sort of give me a lot five of an empty goal. One was in an end hotel, remove the fi waltzes. As I said, I'm not going to document because civilly coming our made leave all the net. And it's not flower show, everybody will I rarely into the sport. By on his to grow. Yeah. And what is that? Like when like blood is coming out, like, does it feel different does that hurt. What is that, like? Suppose? Like y'all noble. Oh man. And. And how long does that last? It was just what just one. Okay. All right. Well, I guess it's. Can you please message? Yeah. And what's speaking of which what's going on with your Instagram? You've been locked out of it. What's the after the fight you have see the UFC highlights on my fight? Oh, yeah. Repulsive put on all of the sudden, you've been plots? I got blocks the most important time on his to grab Ed vote, she to see my, it's to grow up and fly full five day. So I'll let molested sorry to the and are you back about a business. Men when when it rains pores on. They got you from both sides there without aerial kicked me out a lot. My gosh. The man holding you down. I can't imagine what it must be. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise. I can't imagine what it's like the fighting the fight like that fit your heart a break, your nose urinating blood win the fight and then have to go online and hear people say, you're not a killer, bro. You didn't. You didn't leave it all out there like these people who've never fought before doing the balls to fight in, like it's just amazing that we're breeding this kind of fan. Right. Like what exactly does a killer mean what does that mean killer? Like, I feel like you would never even hear that term be used in boxing, or any other combat sport. I want killer. What does that mean? It's, it's such a sophomore term. Our sport is better than that, in my opinion. And so, I can't imagine some of the stuff that you're hearing. Say what would from from the days when we started putting clothes on? And we side rules. I tried to show a full array of martial arts. Like I said from me live Evelyn, says we wrestle. Oh, you guys get pulling you economy. So I go out with show, you ought to take down a D while wrestler, which having the people of does not control of on the floor. Take a buck of a block belt. Be with seven right UN's showed every faucet of mixed martial arts for fifty minutes, which he the second, locate knockout, Mike is shown Mahfoud diverse as shown can hang with the top guys on a fault outs what we were in this horrible, clearly, the premise dot show is on salvage a killer killer Brennan, derail killer. Now I spoke to last week about some of the other disappointing losses in your career, you've only had you only had three but, you know, Pat Healy and Tom Dugan wa. Are you starting to get those feelings again? Like screw all this. I don't wanna do this anymore. Stage now twenty nine seven seat of free should be looking at what twenty zero. Saito could see Lexus loss to fight in the best revolve, where you really go for man. I think now to be a very good often Allen in Chicago. Right. We're gonna give this this make it with a while right now. Is there anyone of note, or anything that was said to in the aftermath of all this, that really really stuck to you that you were surprised as person reached out to give you some advice on how to deal with this while if you to see my inbox insane, and it was like Paul Daley, sick message? Let the Sal, we will there's just so many Coleridge it hot while investors don't bro. You know, every time something like this happens, you always end up. Seeing why he rarely do it. And the people watching your fire in a from his file people say, no. Like I say, I'm so could shoot lost his fight just smash the guy free Rawls. It's like I have a feeling a lot I'm show blow on this. Plenty more to come for me, as you can see. Yeah. And I'm just curious. I mean, it's hard to know in the moment, and it's almost not fair to Poona Soriano. But did you watch his fight either? During or after you found out. And compare like your performance to his and say, like how did he get an I and I not get into you. Think about that at all. These guys very green five and free getting in this. Oh. SO. I sees a veteran. Alan got on a world class performance of all of these guys military respect. But, like I say, if you give me someone free, no and someone as inexperience that you'll see what, what is fingers what they're talking about. If you're gonna give me a UFC level fi in a world class opponent than specified might not so not nimble say I've to hod is night by far. Yeah. Did you talk to him afterwards? Did he talk to you? My opponent. No Puna could not spoke saving. I suppose that the heavyweight guy he was sat next to me, he was at home. All really nice. Guy us I was showing highlights of five resigned. Look it up. Wall is a killer pro. Called poppy, these little kid bad now proposed for him. And having dominant Cruz in your corner, I'm sure that helped us well, especially in the aftermath. What did he say to you? Broke. We were all broken, we all left down, not boss. Mike a lost the Winfrey ralliers all decide all down. It was I. It was I WI fi, you shouldn't have to feel not the Beatson was awesome. Definitely a real feeling of Dominic as a team with would help me. Okay. So say the wrist of close out on the end you get into confronts, maybe have dominant dominance, blessed and tell them out, it was, maybe not wanna help all of a sudden up. So God knows what can get into the US. L. Where do you go from here? What is your plan now? You're just going to sit back and wait. You wanna take some time off what, what's your line of thinking? Yeah. Time, offline those of golf definitely got thinking today on a well what was going on? Because like I say it was is an eleven year, journey, not just a this is eleven years of the spot now on, it took me six years to get buckets position, Kuka contract elect Maha shoulder to get come. Trump's still wasn't enough. So now I have to reassess what my goals three goals from Stein fight while was to find you see what was the headline the arena, where live on one was to fight in Las Vegas done all free. Signs of reassess where we go from there. Okay. So, so even though. This particular thing didn't work out people. Forget, you did have your chance in the U of C. It's not now in your career where you probably want it to be where you feel like you're, you're really firing on all cylinders. But I think initially some people might think like, wait a second. You didn't get chance funded UC. No, you did. It was just seven years ago. And again, I think you deserve to be there and you should be there and the idea that you're not UFC caliber can hang into because you went for take now attend. Still gives me I can't I can't imagine how you feel about this friend, but I'm happy to see that you're in good spirits, and you're not letting it get too much unless you're just putting on a front right now. And, and you're very good actor because. I'm very frustrated about all this Brennan, but I think I think there is a silver lining tall. And I think that a lot more people know who you are, and you become a big story, and I think you become a, very sympathetic character in a lot of people are now pulling for you to be successful as possible. So I hope you know, that there are a lot of people who have your back in, and they, you certainly deserve to be fighting on the biggest stage possible. Thank you. Thank you Bye-bye. Shoveled message pizza yourself Thomas and everyone involved in this situation. And let's see this might not be knows knows what comes from this situation. I say publicity. So let's hold tight with this. Well, all right, Brendan well done my friend, get well, soon the nose, and everything, and the blood peeing and all that. And I hope that you remain in good spirits, and that good news coming your way. Thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it. And don't forget you won that fight. Okay. Try to remind yourself. You actually won that fight. That was the w that goes on your record. It was a job well done. Thank you very much aerial. All right, there he is. Brennan, lock Nane. The can I get it right? For once someone just wrote, I don't wanna say because I'm afraid to say it. Let me see someone wrote it to me just here. Moments ago men. Kunia n- men. Kunia n-. Okay. I screwed it up before wanna get right? Thank you stamina. Mc men Kuhnen. All right. The man Kuni himself respect that man he should be in the should be fighting on the highest of stages possible. And if it doesn't work out there, then so be it. So be it. But I still can't believe that we're talking about a takedown with ten seconds left. Take with ten seconds. Not ninety seconds. Not sixty seconds ten seconds, ten seconds. Unbelievable. And by the way, it's a very busy time in the world of mixed. Martial arts to also very busy time in the world of pro wrestling, and my guy Peter Rosenberg was so shocked by the main event at stomping grounds last night into coma, Washington that he is actually dropping a special reaction. Podcast this afternoon. Yes. A special reaction podcast coming from Peter and the crew find out what the whole quote unquote shoot era of cheap eat is all about by listening to cheap. Eat on your favorite podcast player. Let us move along and say Hello to our next guest. It's been awhile since we've had skirmish on the program. I'm happy to say Hello to now she fights for the UFC women's flyweight, title and August tenth against Valentina Shevchenko. This fascinating match up. We say Hello to Liz car moosh. Liz, how are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you for joining us. What was your reaction when you found out that they were moving you from the July twentieth fight against Roxanne modify to a title shot against? Valentina. Shevchenko. Super exciting. I mean, I think you know, from previous talkies me in the past that I went. I'm always aiming for is that championship. It doesn't matter who the faces holds the belt. That's what they're Moishe working. So to have an opportunity to school right in it's perfect. And fortunately, we were already training for of as, if it was a championship fight just because why not overtraining be prepared essentially sprint through a fifteen minute around. And so it was just extra time to get ready to were you caught off guard by this? It's rare to have someone like move off of another fight and get a title shot or did you think after his last win that this was something that could happen? No, I never thought that I get a phone call and say, hey and lieu of doing the fighting Roxanne's it'd be for the belt. I, I never thought that I was going to happen. But like I said, I prepare this championship fight is always happen. So in one sense, very much in other sense prepared impossibility. And again, a lot of newer fans might not know this, but you actually gave chanko her first pro loss back in two thousand ten what if anything do you remember from that fight? I think the biggest thing is that is such a shady organization. I because really I think most people don't know, like you said, is that fight. I was actually supposed to fight her sisters because we had a very similar both rand news ima may very inexperienced, and then he had who'd been doing it tenure at least just an in combat working general with more time Boston previous to that. And then we got there we look to the poster like that, that doesn't look, right? Wait a second while she's sitting softball, and the hairs law, not Vernet. I'm really confused. They're like, oh, yeah. No. My contract says it's the other sister, but also take the fight. I. Yeah, and so one of those things the last minute they showed up tried to trick me put the fight. Anyway. We're able to pull off a win with the like ten seconds left. Fifteen seconds of fight cutting with a second do think that they were in on this do think they try to actually try to trick you. You know, I heard a lot of that thing for the fighters that fought Orgainzation shady things. I don't know if I know I'm hard down downtown camp. They were just as spices, we were they didn't know the confusion. So as far as the cancer, it wasn't like they were trying to do something chassis, and trying to do something that was questionable is a fighter patient, self was to my knowledge doesn't exist today, fortunately, since this happened other fighters and the name of the promotion, by the way for those wondering is seen three fights, and that's in Oklahoma, which did you know anything about Valentino when you took that fight against her on short notice. No. We don't of research, just because both sisters were refining. And I think originally they had mentioned her name in my coach looked up. And he's like, no, she's brand new. She's only been training for few months, you know she'll she's down to fight, but she's just not conditioned. She's two of the sports possibly going and fight. The sister perfect makes sense absolutely of. So we did look up a little bit, but not too crazy. 'cause she really wants a moist I fighter in boxers. Definitely not really into intimate. Whereas, I think we're both to note that point. So it just made made for a good fisa gestion fights, the other and end up being. And I tried to find footage of it. I was having a hard time could you tell us how the fight went out played out in the end? You one of your doctor stoppage, I believe going into the third round, but could you tell us how it actually played out? You know because it was very vague still new like her like, I think it was the second third fight profile for me. And I don't remember much about that night. I remember like not being well, lit nothing warms up a being very cold and I just remember with an uptick, and I was able to cut over the eye, and it just wouldn't stop leading, and I have bleeding into variety. And that's really significant. I remember seeing covered head to toe in for blood, and I'm trying to stop the fight or not being able to answer the Bill because of the cut over right? Wow. And did you keep tabs on like, are you surprised at that same person has turned into the fighter that she is today? Did you keep tabs on earth throughout? Yet the note. So at that time, I was really surprised because it's my understanding her specialty was time boxing. And she's just kinda like doing the things to try out not really her interest. So the fact that she has I she did. Yeah, absolutely. Suffice skillset wife. Not at all. I you know, I saw then obviously we all feel now is that she's very field fighter, so to see where she's I'm not surprised what else are very surprised because I thought that she was back from time, boxing and pursue that career. So for her to continue with him as a real pricing. Did you watch her last fight against just guy? Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Once you got that built I was sending her watching him since. Okay. What did you think of that performance, just exactly what I did? And intimidated. I honestly I thought she was gonna finish her in the first for straps the second room and called exactly going to happen. She set it up with those inside takes body kicks. I thought Hans initiate myself and it just happened happened the second I. There appears to be gap between shift chanko and a lot of the players in that one twenty five pound weight class. We spoke to page sent last week and she called her terrifying, which is kind of unique to hear from a fellow fighter in that particular way class. Do you do you, do you buy into the hype do feel like she is getting the respect that she deserves? Like, I think she's the most dominant champion right now in the UFC feel like all that is warranted. I think anybody to hold you the first one, and I'm gonna do nothing but respect, the person holds adult because they worked to get that. And so I think to not pay them respect to be silly and, and kind of be set up for myself. So I certainly respect it the episode. She's put in the Bill that she has back with the championship should be do consider her to be terrifying as well. No. I have a feeling you've never considered any of your opponent's terrifying. Not. Really? No. Not yet. Yeah. Something tells me. And so when you got this opportunity, I'm assuming you said, yes, right away. You didn't have to think twice Craig. Not at all. I mean, I've been telling my my, my darling my coaches amines that, hey, there's no doubt I ever get to call somebody back on the fight his last minute ten days. Notice I actually take that five without hesitation. So just let them know but the, you know, I'm ready for this whenever it is, like I said, I've been training as if it's a championship fight every single site regardless of who it is. So I've just been hoping that somebody else drops out of the fight not wishing anybody get injured because I don't wish upon anybody. But if opportunity arises that I could replace somebody that they would give me that called me. Will you watch that I fight nine years ago in preparation for this one? If I had footage, I wish like this is one to four barely have a cellphone let alone. How like one of the fancy ones I think I'd on time. So there's no footage whatsoever. I've tried finding my team has my all my coaches my Mendon everybody none of us able to fund because it really was out in the middle of nowhere. I think maybe didn't even have reception because of how far away it was everything. And then just kinda is twenty ten so not many people had all the Sam sees smartphones Corcoran, everything. Right. Okay. So, and like you remember it enough like, will you draw any, any sort of knowledge from that fight? Or do you think that it was too long ago? It doesn't really matter at this point. Of course, it matters that I don't think it matters sense. It I'm not the fighter that I was in school, so green that I don't think even definitely to respond. Anybody is L fall, what somebody's yourself off. So really much as I can take from it, I still so inexpensive that I'm that image. Sippy full she made to look back at that, and how can play and she's also known as fighter. So I have to see. Silence. And both of us devolved into perfect, those fighters sitting, and I also have the story of getting another crack at the belt after of course, you fought Ronda Rousey, in the first ever female flight, and I ever female title, fight, and again, sort of along the lines of not feeling like your opponent, terrified or terrifying. I wonder if you were maybe nervous for that, because that was such a big deal. And if this time around, because we've been there done that you'll be less nervous. Is there anything to that? No. I think that in both those scenarios that there are at least on the first one they were certainly nerves went into it very quickly. Got there that was supposed to be so those nerve hell way very quickly. And then this, I with each fight get less and less nerve them more and more fight, you know, the more that your veterans to get experienced all the limelight, everything on then, and not say that you get whether to it, but you certainly get the win foot and not be overwhelmed by the. And of course, you seem to be very close to submitting her in that fight several years ago in Anaheim. How often do you think about that moment? How different your life, how different women's MA would have been had you on that. Every now and then it happens, especially somebody will ask me really calls me to sit back and just realize how different all of them in may possibly have been, I've been dick and not on, like, I really do think think happened for reason and maybe didn't happen then but from hurry for this moment that's about to happen. Yeah, it's amazing. How did you beat her? That night does very your chance. We never heard of seen Rhonda ever again. Right. It's crazy. And the whole thing would have been different. It's unbelievable. Like the sliding doors there in that particular phenomenon are you surprised that? She she is not come back. No, I'm not. I'm really not because I knew her poignant that she has an image of what she pictures or fight for and none of which in the award of any sort, so have to walk away. She did. I think that, that the theories that she had for herself. And how she's pictured her fight for going when it didn't go that way. She wasn't. She didn't prepare any other way. I don't think that she was invested in having walked on her record. So I was surprised but she didn't continue on notice you and your teammate, Olympic Farland and some other members of routine. You've been doing this like underwater training in San Diego. What exactly it looks like the toughest thing in the world. Like the endurance. Any must have the cardio? What exactly is that? What exactly are you guys doing? Blast what essentially what we're doing? We're trying to do any endurance. Any strength activities under a CO two MAC so hard. So you don't have the benefit of having oxygen opposites as you'd be underwater. I you also have the benefits having that deep water impression to help promote feeling and it takes all the impacts any weights going on the water that takes impact away from your body sue knocking ensure that, that smashing artist you usually have in late training and inner running, but it's also an element where you build a sense of confidence doing I could rap on the water and I can defend this emission put on the submission with no oxygen doing the underwater from anywhere from thirty seconds to two minutes. So it's kind of an accumulation everything altogether. So how, what's the longest you've gone underwater without without coming up take a breath. The longest two minute. Wow. Two minutes. Holy smokes who has the record right now. And how long has that among teammates? It wouldn't be run. The one the instructors, Rick, I think his record is over three minutes of a breath. Hold on this any activities we do. He's insane is a fish. He goes under water. He does the activities to play game place. We all crap with the goal and waiting. Let's send to start. You can talk for okay? Like or even saying. And he's looked so relaxing Saint, he's able to get the only state in Tunis his body state of nickel focus. It allows them to know that I can go through this infill on my body and not me that desperation, you're actually grappling under there. You just kind of going through the motions. We're definitely. God, that's unbelievable and going for like choke holds and everything. Feel about the intimate fighters going into, and we often Kate each other, and something structures are very comfortable enough on the water to be guilty. Chokehold other than that. It's usually holding onto the other and joint manipulation without show. There's only actually Chapman. Each other. And have you already felt a difference like is this helping you in training in your fights, big time, not only have I noticed different like you said, just in the grappling aspect knowing that, okay? Woman, the submission and Ono, what am I going to do like I'm stuck? This is like, oh, wait. I can do I can breathe. I can say in this person gets cast out. And then having the ability that maybe your arms are fatigue gas out. And you can't put on naked choke, or you can't fit somebody, you know that you can't because you've done it on what and then just the endurance my body feels healthier because like I said that, compression from killing in your body, but also need the stuff that I do on water isn't wearing turning my body. So all of that is just makes such a difference each him and finally back to Valentina in your mind and your coaches mind what is something that you must not do against her. What are things that you have seen other people do in her fights recently since she's dropped out? One twenty five and looked so good. That. You cannot replicate in this fight. I think the biggest everybody's done is they like steak chamber are snakes charmer is a do a little song and dance and people are in into simple. It's the same thing. Everybody's falling to her temple money, I at the pace when he throws her off tempo dictate how the whole fight those they do. Well at its everybody that falls in. Let's for the whole simplify that fall into Lhasa. I'm looking forward to it. I think this is a fascinating fight. And I know a lot of people are counting you out, but I'm not out. Liz, I feel like I feel like you're going to give her a tough fight, and I'm not ready to count. You out you have been there you have done that you've seen it all, and you have a win against to boot. So I'm sure that gives you coughing. It's going into this even though it was kind of a crazy scenarios. Well, I wish you the best. Thank you very much for doing this list. And good luck on August fourteenth. Thank you. All right there. She is. Liz Bush, yes. August fourteenth in Uruguay Montevideo to be exact the Antle arena. Kind of crazy. I didn't know that she was supposed to fight Antonina shift chanko, and then they did the old switcheroo honor. Unbelievable. That's very nice. And then she still one was long time ago, but still that's gotta give you confidence. Via doctor stoppage. See three fights, Red River rivalry September thirty two thousand and ten so almost nine years ago in conscio-, Oklahoma. Those her fifth pro fight. Number profile was it for Valentina? Her seventh she was seven ogling into that. So those are eight pro fight and. Commercials foreign going to that. So there you have it, August, tenth, and like I said, by the way, the car moosh. Shevchenko was on the table for July twentieth. As reported. Let's just say a little switcheroo was was done talk about that later. But bottom line is they wouldn't would Leon Edwards versus RDA and. Uruguay's getting shift Trinko versus carbon to speaking of Ian Edwards. I've been doing this thing on my Instagram lately where I give you my Mench of the week or my mentions of the week. He's a part of it. Hope you enjoyed I've been having a lot of fun doing. It highlighting spotlighting the good people in the sport. People who are doing good things positive things giving back to their communities, giving back to underprivileged kids, or just anything positive anything kind hearted. So usually post that Monday night after the show. So check that out on my Instagram. I TV at area Awani if you are interested. All right. And a matter moments, we're going to be joined by Johnny bones Jones. Yes, I said, Johnny bones Jones is going to be joining us, he returns on July sixth. You have two thirty nine Las Vegas. The Vata T mobile arena, his third fight in what seven months. He told us that he wanted to be act. Give going into that. Alexander goson fight, and he is active he fought in December against Alex gusts of sin. He won that fight. He fought in March against Anthony Smith won that fight and on July six, he meets TI, go Santos. It's a great card international fight week. And historically, the international foot we cards over the past few years have been somewhat snakeman. Hopefully that's not the case this time around. Let's not waste anymore time. Let's say Hello to the reigning defending see light heavyweight champion. Johnny bones. Joe's look at him while John looking great with the suit and everything I love it. Cleaned up. This feeling I'm feeling. Great John, thank you for doing this. I know you just landed from New Mexico, and so you're probably a little tired. I really appreciate your time here today. Just waking up, but a right for you, man. All right. My man, it's it's always great to talk to you. I have to ask I because it made some headlines just a couple of days ago, you wrote this very long, and impassioned. Post on your Instagram about managers and trying to give some advice to young fighters. What prompted that? And could you tell us who you were talking about if possible? Talking about any man's in particular, I was just talking about just all manages. Teammate talk to me about, you know, how much he was paying his manager, and I almost forgot that people all day repairing, you know, twenty five percent stuff like that. I asked the guy what is manage was doing was doing for him? And he said, nothing really have any sponsors. And the last thing eventually had done for them was sitting on the room help them. Go shade his contract, and I just thought I thought it was just such a huge percentage for guy who wasn't working really hard for his athletes. I just wanted to remind. I just want to tell fighters out there that, you know, I, I didn't find it normal to pay that money. And I thought that guys do deserve that type of money are guys who are really out there going to bet for these guys in taking care of these guys in every aspect of their life. Not just not you sitting on a contract meeting calling yourself manager of me personally. My management team. They, they do almost everything for me. And that's why I don't mind paying them. Good money. I mean this guy's they do my personal life. Former they, you know, buying and selling houses. I mean, they have a hand in almost everything I'm doing and I love taking care of my management team because they earn the money that I give them some of these guys out there man, taking from these guys aren't even making money. And, and it's just. Are you finding as you get older? I mean you've been there you've done it all you fight everyone. Are you finding a lot of fighters are coming to for advice these days and are you enjoying that role? It's amazing. You've grown up in front of our eyes. John, are you are you joined this sort of veteran leader role these days? You know, I feel like a lot of fires especially my own team. They do to meet for wisdom vice in and I have been around game for a long time. I've experienced everything there is experience in the sport. And, and I do I do appreciate being able to give to these guys. Because ultimately, I think that's what really healthy legacy. You know, everyone specified person who doesn't moves, but put a but what really matters is lives that you change them on the way. And so I'm trying to do my part. Just to get to the Bassett use it. Fighting a young man named Chagas Santos. He's won four in a row. Three in a row at light heavyweight. He hits very hard. He's intimidating fellows, or anything that he does as far as his actual skill set that concerns you are you worried about him. About them at all. I've still like after like. My fiance, Sherman. Not me about my hands behind my back, right? And let it. Plus, your chin, a lot lot of people hit our everybody has the power to knock out anybody my manager. Knock me out of my little interface. It's about a smart enough to win that luncheon. So no not worried about heavy hitters. Everyone hits. Are, you know, fighters that concerned me the most that most intelligent fighters? You know, the guys who can set up sponsors setup solid gameplay. So I'm not too worried about you have many guys would big muscles, and big off haulers. I've been doing that since I was a lot of youngest guys division started at twenty three years old. So not not worried about anything. I said go out their faith in my Bility's and. And my team that's round me Montella shifts source of game and everything else will fall into place. Has he made this personal between you two he, he's taking some shots at you. And I saw you respond via social media. Do feel like he crossed the line. No. You know, it's like if you can't insult you know my game you know, people try to insult my personal lives. That's something that they all do you know, and I just got to be cool that, you know, I think what he's saying my legacy will be one of steroids, or something like this is set himself up already for failure. If I lose because John cheetah. Or so. Here we are less than two weeks away so far. No drama, right? We're good. So far. No drama. Yeah. Everything's big on his mood, and then try to catch me going gray area. Everyone in the teams working so hard. I've never had the team get behind a car the way they've gotten behind myself Holly Diego. All the images all the pros have always just doing whatever they can do to make us better into service. And, and it's great man. The team Unity's is through the roof. I'm so grateful to fly under the Jackson, the banning feel weird like that. Everything's just going. Are you almost like waiting for something to happen? Like it's. No, not doesn't the word was Goodman, every on the right things. You know. Stay out of trouble. Staying in the gym. He's trying to do all the right things teams. Trying to buy us in it feels. Right. You know to, to have no payoffs in controversy. It feels really good. Now. I got Scott seal the deal by getting this big win on six last time. You're on the show you were in studio. And I think you kind of raised some eyebrows with your honesty, saying that look I am probably gonna mess up. I do drink. I'm not perfect. How has since we last spoke do feel like you're still staying on the straight narrow. Do you feel like you're art? Yeah, you're happy. Happy man earlier. Things have gone everything. Everything's going really well, for me in my life man like his doing great school man. Great, great hearted. Little girls on the home. Life is doing man business business, a great sponsors comeback band, this blessings in money's opponents. My life. Everything's going so good right now. I really can't complain I'm doing the right. Things fighting often trying to keep the band's Abby. Honestly evidence scoring really good minutes testament to just. Chris it feel okay? So this is a big fight obviously. And it's a big card. But it feels like we're on the cusp of some really big fights coming your way. If all goes well on July six, perhaps Luke rock. Hold, who's also fighting on the car two to five. Chris wideman is making his light heavyweight debut sooner than later. And of course, there's the fight that everyone always talks about. Do you feel the same way? And if so do feel like ones of front runner, as far as who would be next after for you. I feel like you know what do you what do you want to run elect one's gotta be up next gut feeling as to, you know, who's the big fight after this one, because I feel like there's a big fight waiting few after this one. Has made whispers of all possible being a next week for me. I don't care at least next. My job is to be able to be literally anyone might vision and Nuss. Join that on of always accepted. The toughest guy find the toughest guy since I was twenty three years old. You know so that fastlane is my lane. You know that's tough. Fights is what I do. And whoever may be do. I'll be ready to step my game up to duality. What was your reaction? When you heard DC say, on the show last month that he is considering dropping out to a five after this fight to fight you one last time he won't do. Why not? I just think I think it takes a lot of them to make that way cut. I haven't seen him in person. But I hear that he's bigger than ever and to lose all that way. And come up short of third time educates lot of courage out. Imagine I don't think he has the balls to do it. I think he knows what to say the people to, to, to appear not afraid of me, but I think deep down inside, you know, he knows what it's like after twice gone home crying all this. I just thought what he's going to do that to himself again. You think his last flight is in August. I don't know. I don't care what they me is, honestly. Okay. You're done with him. I've been with him. Yeah. Day is not much his opponent. I said, gushes was much office, opponent is not this rival that the world wants to be to me is the guy that be toys were you surprised? I guess, in retired. It was surprising. Yes. Man. I, I feel bad because that's all he has so much more fight left in them. He beats eighty percent of the division may be eighty five in of the division. I'm hoping that it's just a little mental thing is going through in that he's going to get over and combat because him being out of the games doom sports Justice. He's a great for his area of the world. You have sense and I mean he he's exciting. He's long brings that blocks full work to the game. And like I said, there's a lot of guys that he's still beats, so I'd imagine he's gonna kind of get back on his feet brush himself off in comeback. Now, the one I'm dying to ask you. I'm sure you knew this was coming the last style bender Israel to sign. Yeah. What is going on here between you in Israel to Sonya? John, this is inter -taining stuff. You talked about him. He talked about you, you show up in the comments. This is this is I have to say you got everyone talking right after his fight back in April. What do you have an issue with Israel? Sonya. I really don't. I really don't. I think the worst thing I ever said about the kid was that he's looking promising assume that, you know, people are going to start entertaining that by certain hill, come up challenge. That's all I said about him. I think he said something about killing one. Go in Anderson Silva, are trying to kill me or something like that. And biggest differences that I'm thirty one years old. And I feel like I am still reaching my prime. If you look back. Look back throughout a lot of my fights. You hear guys since fought me say. John is a lot stronger than he looks and Israel is light in the ass. He's like. Any he's skinny, I'll put my hands on him and teaching whole different. World heard is for him to be so, so frail and to not have ground game Bill. You don't wanna do it, and then two and then to talk about my stand up against Anthony Smith with his face. All bubbled up against a short wrestling at the just did that to him. It was just Larry's barely touched by, and so Israel. Taco Bell his striking skills being so much farther ahead the minds. It's hilarious. Just some thing about him, I Jenkins little to my knee ass. Use the east more jerk chicken come holler at me. He said your time will come when I say, so do you feel at some point guys will fight to that means. I can't be John. And. Fighting me when he's when he's ready to really beat me, as I don't open your mouth and you can't you can't be me right now. I would never say that about any like, I'm not ready to be Imia wouldn't come back when I'm good enough to him as if my skills are stagnant. And I'm not improving myself is silly, what he basically said, and he just worded it, how you wanted to was. I cannot be John anything, you said outside of that doesn't matter. You feel like at some point you're your pass will cross, or you're not confident in that he knows where I'll be. And that will probably be a two five. Right. You're not you're not thinking of heavyweight, these days, I am heavyweight. Ariel is just like not in forefront Lega. I'm making wait just fine. You know, people people always assume that I'm a lot bigger than a handler. I'm every wait. I'm full full size light heavyweight started grown to this girl mastering than getting stronger or was my division and. Have you will come like? On the I don't know. I don't know what I'm waiting for it anyway. Just going so well where Brown that groupies to change anything. We'll you disappointed when you heard that Brock wasn't coming back. No, I wasn't that wasn't. There's a lot of big flights headway with without Brent lessening. What was going on with the whole steep thing? I it looked like you kind of put it out there that you are thinking about it, and then this fight got announced where you actually ever considering that. Not really. Just talking trash. Just during the pot this, they're Potman. I respect. Yes. Sometimes, you know, the fans wanna see some drama. They when Houston drama they wanna hear you call people. It keeps it keeps them excited and ultimately it's, it's about them. And so sometimes you still nonsense could be talking to people going well along those lines, perfect segue, because I feel like I'm going down a laundry list here. But we don't often get access to John so, so apologies in advance. But I have to ask Dylan data's what's going on with Dylan. Dennis. Nothing's going. What's happening there? How, how did this even start between the two you're not even the same promotion on in the same way class by your off by two way classes? What's his issue with you? Think thinking knows I'm the type of guy to respond and energy and his following up. And so, so, I think that's what's going on with them at the end of the day, I don't come out and touch Josh about this guys. You know that just came out of nowhere bins sport surreal, over ten years now. Some guys sector bring up my name because it makes local. Okay. What would you ever consider grappling him? I won grab a mobile a foot in his mouth. All right. Fair enough. Henry, pseudo calls himself, the pound for pound king. These days does he have a case? Is he is? Absolutely why. I don't know 'cause you call themselves. I'll give it to them. What about you? I don't have to, like, I don't have to say these things. Right. That makes sense. I don't have to say these things, I'll e called himself the greatest say that for you. So every claims it than visits his, I wish not the best one, he's he's, he's a is great for the sport man's fellow Christian brother, and, you know, he wants to be the man. And so, you know, as he's taking a page ALI'S McCollum, south demand in it, worked probably. So let him have it as well. Okay. Let me ask you more. 'cause I know you have. Competition. I'm not come Titian with anyone a lot of competition with me. Fair enough. Can ask you one last one, John. You said that you want to be active. How many more times if all goes well in July six do you wanna fight in twenty nineteen? I'd like to fight in December. And then I'd like to try to pick it up again three times twenty nineteen twenty twenty mean dance when twentieth. Thank you so much, John, I appreciate it. Good luck to you. We'll talk to you. All right. Anyone has any more lift. That's the way it goes. My man. Thank you. That's why you are who you are. I'll talk to you all right. There is Johnny bones Jones, the reigning defending. You have see light heavyweight champion had a limited amount of time with them. How about that? We went on the whole ride with him. And I think he's doing some media now in LA for you. See two thirty nine and our time was up. But that was fun. We cross a lot of bridges there. Right. Daniel Cormie is route Asya, they'll Dana's Henry, pseudo Alexander Gussinski. I go Santos I thought it was interesting that he said that he thinks anyone could hit hard. But it's how you set that up does not appear as though he is all too concerned with TI, go Santos's power. What are the odds going into that fight? Usually when I say this New York, Rick would just drop them on me. Let's see corporate has them. Minus five fifty for John Jones heading into that fight on July six plus four seventy two for. TI. Golan tos. I still always, I love the subtle shade with him in DC. If if John wins on July six and DC winds on August seventeenth. They are going to try to do it. If not I do think he's right. I think they'll go the Luke rock, hold route. If Rockall winds he's got a tough fight against Bajo. It's on the same card. But there's you see there. It just comes out every time it's there is palpable is boiling. It's fun. What a card that is. We lost the Sean O'Malley fight, but other great fights on that car, July six Cluj daily against random Marcos Arnold Allen against Gilbert, Melendez on the Neo back Michael kiss against Yego Sanchez, Luke rock hold against. I'm buffalo says I said Ben aspirin against him. Maswadeh all going to be phenomenal. Manned Nunez against Holly home for the UFC women's bantamweight title. There's the main card. Doron win trying to get some shine prelims starting at eight on ESPN main card at ten. You can get the pay per view, of course. ESPN plus here in America. There's the main card Diego Holly and John Jones all fighting on the same card. So a big night for Jackson, wink, and the Albuquerque crew, and yeah, I like that. And I also like this year. There's just one card. There's no tough Anneli. There's the hall of fame Friday night. There's also Knicks pelicans are Barrett versus ion Williamson that's about in Las Vegas summer league. That's pretty stiff competition. I must say for the hall of fame, but you got the hall of fame. If you're looking for something to do the winds on Friday, of course as well. But there's only one card. No more three cards. No more two cards, just one card and I like that. I know a lot of fence don't like that. I like. And it's not because I'm lazy, it's because I think that this card is so big that you should have all the attention on it all the is, should be on it all the focus should be on it. That's what I think. What do they call it? International fight week now there's only one fight one card. Anyway, let's turn our attention now to our next guest. He was victorious in his debut on Saturday in Greenville, he defeated Eric spicy also on the fight of the night award. And I told him this we've had the Ron win on this program twice before first time last November his phone died in the middle of the interview, second time couple months ago were sounding audio I've ever heard. So the pressure is on. It will be three strikes and you're out for Doron win. Let's see how he sounds this. Doron. How are you? I'm ready to go. Look at that audio you sound, gray man. How are you? Yes. Let me hear it again. Yes, it sounds. Yeah. Close up to my face dog. What's wrong with that? No cool. But it looked like in my face time that is gonna be a little bit back. You know, I took time to make sure out was like in a good since setting. I just got this new phone this, like the excess whatever the sound quality offer. You buddy appreciate charm. Yes. Just like your debut. Congratulations. You get the bonus you get the win so all's. Well overall are you happy with the entire body of work? The decision win over spicy. Of course. Man, I told I forget, what other who whoever else, I was interviewing with, you know, I can be down on my self because, you know, for a guy like me, I like finishes. And, you know, you got a guy like Eric spicy who I before I ever say anything about him. He's the man he to the fight with me, six days, and he freaking fun as Ashok, and we make money together. And I'm who with anybody that makes with me, so but for guy like him who's been cut in maybe not the best record in the you have C and whatever I would like to I would've liked to finish him, and I would've liked to rather get the knockout of the night as opposed to fight of the night. But hey I mean what can I say? It was just my six fight of all time in all this experience. Does is make me a better fighter overall and? Yeah, me and I'm happy. Absolutely. I feel good man was he tougher than you expected, especially taking his fight on six days. Notice where you not expecting that from him. So here's what I Don, I knew I watch fights and he didn't look like. Then halfway through. Hi fi. I realize just trying to make me tired trying to weather the storm and in make me tired it in, in the, you know, then marches comeback. Go covering up like that against the economy. Look what he doesn't like getting hit. And so, you know, halfway through I had just in maybe stop firing off on him as hard and everything. And then, but then at the same time, like I think someone of my buddies, I think I don't know. I just blacked out there, but I think I kept hitting him so hard. And so many times that I thought there, so many moments in the fight that I was like, oh, get him out of there. I'm like this. He's done. See, like expresses on stays, and stuff like that. And he's done. He's done. He's done. That's all I kept thinking in my head. And then all of a sudden he cooking like thorough looking in circle ks and he was good. You know, did you get tired of third? Yeah. I was tired. Absolutely man. And we train I train hard and I like to see I could be in better shape. But what people don't see or don't maybe some people. The casualty Anna's notice I three hundred sixty nine strikes that is over a hundred more strikes than anybody on the car through that is double, the amount of more than happy Arthur, the entire fight. So I was very very busy. And, and yeah, so I was a little tired, but it wasn't because I was I was under trained. It was because I, I literally just put my all in a fight, you know. And obviously the way co was the big story is well, you dropping down twenty five wins the last time you weighed one eighty five. Probably two thousand eight thousand eight. Nine yet nine how was the cut how did it feel? It went so snooze o. I just really dedicated. And then, you know, I got the help from apart and lead to the very end the last week and I was scared because, as a restaurant, we don't do the water load stuff. We, we just grind and like get your way down. Possible to disarm. I waterloo. I get really smart. And I changed a lot of things in my dying. We see me in a picture, like sometimes you like looks like even like meet down to eighty five I don't look like the liens but man, I change I took my his down a lot. And in. A out just really good again, and that was at difference. And in the last week, I was so scared. And my manager about cook is. Was my biggest outer of making way and. On the scale me on the scale of practice and he bugged me about it. And, and I kept on. See I'm gonna make this way in DC. Okay. Okay. Tell me ought to believe you, but when's day night? The day before weigh ins. I remember. I step on the scale fully worked out Wednesday night, laying like Iran o'clock, and I was like two three thousand seventeen pounds over and my manager freaked out. But I had to I two yards of watering. So Bob, like put his clothes on crazy. Bob. He's a beast. So he'll, he'll train with me whenever he wants. To. So we just like in the workout room. It was hot at l'hotel and we just grind our straighten. I lost seven pounds and he like started feeling a little bit better. Archie, pro, and most people who cut wait. No this. No. This is easy. I saw it twice on Thursday. I get a real short go in the morning. To kinda see how much weight I could get up and then put plastics on inbetween imaging the goes, and then Thursday morning. When I woke up, I was third note, Friday morning, the morning, I woke up, and I was only half pound over, and I it was only one scientists it, and Bouma's on, well, any chance after all that, that you make one seventy. It's possible but not yet. Keep shrinking my body in keep. You know, I'll have to really really dedicate myself for a consistent amount of time to get some more body fat off and, and try to be more consistent with my diet and stuff like that. But. I don't know. I think I'm okay right now, Eric's buses, always six two, you know, so. You know, he's not the biggest talented guy, there is, but, but I'm okay I'm okay for now. I'm just going to get that to, you know, and that's nothing to keep it understand is they say, maybe my size played in the factor, not finishing also he was six fight amateur I note, the home doing out there fighting. So I'm just getting better, and I'm super competitive and, and all the above. So, so for now in fine, I've known tension, seventy but scene possible. It's possible but I'm not doing it. Okay. Even though I mean because his crooked from wrong, your five five and your reaches seventy one inches creek. Yeah. Okay. So you don't you don't think eventually you'll have to do that? You think you can you could be fine. I swear, I'm thinking way since fact. I hit hard there can't be too many guys harder than me at the way. So I'm different apple. Okay. Happy, seventy five grand the other night drilled. What, what, what was it like fighting in the UFC for the first time, yes, you're six pro fights? You haven't had a ton, but this is different than anywhere else. Did it did it feel different the lights, you know the answer is all that's that. Like did it feel noticeably different to you? Now. I'm used to the only thing is do you have? Do you have? I don't know. Honestly amazing promotion from start to finish from my God. There took care me. Treat me like a king real like everybody who works UT super helpful. That's the only thing that I noticed different man. Like they need you needed a ride to wake eater score. You need to get you. Wherever makes care, man. So I was newcomer. I'm not used to these things kind of caught me off guard and, and. Is that is talk too much? See, but I guess, I guess my career it's deeper. I maybe more things will come to light to me. But, but I'm yeah. It didn't it because the first two so I fought in front of more people than that multiple times, and I wrestled in front of more people than I fought in front of the other night. So. Wasn't that crazy? But also I just looked back. Bob, we're late, as them Cain, and then my other coach Ron, and I look back on them do boys, like you know, we have staying in DC teller wrestlers. And we heard from a really, really great wrestler. I it's like it's about people getting nervous in, in reality. Everybody who proclaims they wanna be fighter or whatever you can't get to the moment, seared. So it's like this is what I wanted in all the time. They recruited me all the time. It's like this is what we want it, right. What we wanted this, this is why we're here. Let's do it. So it was very, very cool experience. Wow, that's great. And I'm just wondering if I would've told you at the beginning of your career, six flights and you'd be in the would you believe me, did you expect all of this, or is it happening a little too soon for yours? Sooner than you expected. I should say. You know, I talked about it, too, and it's like, you know, a guy who's who competes all the time, I was in patient to get here. But now that it's taking this Wong again here. I'm glad that I that, you know, obviously, I had a great team that could didn't rush me into this. And and I don't know. I don't know. Maybe, maybe, I think I belong, I didn't know who's gonna happen, this fast or gonna happen sooner, or it was going to happen, a little later. But I think it's going to fit me perfectly and, and I was presented with an opportunity to be able to see just even more things I need to work on so good. And I I'm an athlete, and I'm a professional and I'm, I'm very, very competitive. And, and I think I'd like to think a lot smarter than a lot of guys and the game show. So now all we do is, you know, I'm happy but like. Like me and can't talk all night, and you out just hanging out out there and we're both just sickos about it. And, and, you know, we just talk about just go home rest and things down. You know, watch fight over and over again see things that you want to get better at, and we'll work on them, you know. So the good thing is, we got ceasing areas. I need work on. And we'll just keep pushing forward bro to be ready for the next next shot. How stressful was the the road getting to the fight? I it was Marcus Peres then it was Bruno Silva than they're looking for an opponent now. We're six days away. They find Eric spicy was not even in the UFC, and you find out at civil tested positive. What was that? I'll like leading up debut there's enough nerve just just for the actual debut. Yeah. Didn't truly bother me. You know, I you can you can plan for guys game fan, and I think that, that makes that up that maybe makes more sense, deeper down the road as you get tougher guys who can actually execute. Their game plans. No matter what even if you know what's coming. But for now for me, it's all about me trying to execute my own game plan or what I want to do. And so I wasn't too concerned. I'm like, yeah. It's different fight against Renault Silva. I probably would have grappled more than against Eric spicy. I was like, I'm okay with the grappling, but I'll stay on my feet for as long as I can because I don't wanna get fifty positions. So I wasn't stressed. More. I almost want to tell people because once they got airlines, I'm real good composed. And, and I'm really good at not letting to me. So I didn't even wanna tell people whenever we've figured out that I didn't have an opponent. When my book everyone else stressing out like way more that I'm stressing out about Meena opponent because I, you know, I believe in the process, I believe in mic and you have seen it. The good thing of the his they're gonna find somebody. I thought I was like you gotta find somebody showing any so many guys that are looking for that opportunity in wanna step in, in fighting the he so I knew they'd find somebody. So I stayed calm and, and instate sick to my training and my way cut and didn't even affect me, and I knew that need being patient and all this, and then even might travel air flights into and stuff like that. I I was stuck in. I'll go for like eight. The whole day. And I just I staying positive and in control the things that you can't control then it all work out. He posted afterwards that his Bank account was at minus two thirty one going into this fight, and he now gets the fifty K bonus addition to whatever he made for the fight itself, how big of a game changer is this for you. Yeah. Twenty by that time I had probably had a couple of drinks in me, and I think we're on the same page that we were cool. And I said, okay, as it my wasn't that bad off. But, but I'm too stupid. He says, my, my Bank account was negative thirty but I'm to snap up until f- induced or whatever, and I was like wasn't that at all? But I'm just to grow, you know, absolute game changer. I've had a lot of people different different points of views. Tell me what's doing my money, and, and how to do it. But, but the good thing is, you know, I got guys DC Kane and my management, Bob and Linsey who are very, very familiar with guys coming from nothing. And getting money. So I'm very confident. They'll help me, you know. Put my to use in input. It put it in places that needs to be in. I'm not stupid. And I know that one thing about getting money to keep making it and see don't go broke. So I I'm not gonna I'm not gonna not these hungry anymore. I'm gonna actually probably going to be even more because I know how this feels to know that. I got so much money on the way and honestly, I'll probably take a big chunk of money out when it clears and give it to DC and let them hold it. And, and they don't do something stupid because I'm still young kid at heart, you know, so. I would love to the money but I won't try to stay strong with it. And if anything it'll help me with this next camp, I go through and, and things that go smoother. I think if you're financing stay of all be able to work hard and folks on certain things that I've been wanting to focus on. So it's cool. I'm super happy girl, and I'm sick. Less with just everything. That's happened in my life. Okay. No be beyond us with me. We're you annoy. The DC wasn't there were you upset are you beefing it's going on? No, we're not grow. That's my brother and I understood what he wasn't the air, you know, he'd been gone lot. He's got a family and, and a lot more fights. And, and there for me a lot, so I'm okay with him not being there. And we have a lot of responsibilities and he had a coach. I mean, we got a team we've got high team that let kids working. Got nationals coming up next month club who super competitive that all year round and you know, we're running out of coaches, so. When I'm gone, I helped my so much. So I'm okay with it, bro. You know, it's just like his last his last fight against their Johnson or what's his name Johnson Lewis? You know, I had a stand in coaching in stick to my camp stuff like that. So on. No, I'm okay. That's my boy in. We will we will do more in the end. He's got plenty of fights. You come come to, and we'll just keep making money and keep making people hate us, bro. I thought it was gonna win were haters. But actually, I think a lot of people had a lot of positive feedback. Yes, you got a lot of and I hate to put you on the spot like this and sort of have to speak on his behalf. But we did just speak to John Jones right before you. And I asked him about Daniel, and ask about Daniel's sort of idea of going down to five one last time to fight him. And he said that he has no real interest in doing that. He doesn't believe these he wants to do that. He doesn't want to go through the whole fight again and lose him all over again. They just putting it out there. So people like him more. What do you make of that? Do you think there's any truth to that? Nobody I don't think I don't think he has too much concern that. That's that's gonna be hard hard cut at his age that would only that would only benefit John Jones. So I don't know. We haven't discussed it me and him having discussed it at all. Him did nine to five and I don't think I don't think you shouldn't. I'm not sure I'm not sure if he's too, too interested in that either bro. So we'll see time comes come and won't do you want to retire after August seventeen at? Yeah, you do you want to win and walkaway? Yeah. But he's such a sicko. It's going to be hard for him to know it is. But we do and I think we all do, I think his whole team and anybody who truly cares about him does. So I do. And I told him that and I hope he gets out and, you know, these kind of helped me he's kinda step is neck out for me a lot from need again. You have seen stuff like this. So I'm like, man. Let me just let me do now. It's time. Let me let me carry our name and our legacy. And, you know, all put on the team will so. Should be. I hope he gets up, and I think he will. We'll see when you want to return last thing. I go my sunglasses on but I got a. Oh, yeah. A real stitches almost got you know, I mean I catch some good ones in there. But. But I wanted to get back on aren't talking about it. I don't know if they'll let me back on a thirty day suspension, but that's still some days away. I could get back in the gym right away, as soon as you know, my stitches out, so I would like to get back in there. And but we'll see. I don't wanna wait too long. I want to keep this thing going, and I think I'm just gonna have better I think people are gonna love it. I'm just getting better and better and better as each each. Each fight goes on as we go onto this. Oh, I wanna get back in there. And I really wanna fight that Darren Stewart. Why dentist? I think a good fan-friendly fight, and he's kind of right on the tier guys I should fight and he he be there expressing. He's come off a win and maybe find me because he wants to get a hiring guy, but I think after I proved that I'm writing strapped with any of these news. So I think if he smarter, thanks man, it'll be a good fan favorite fighting off mash into, and it will. Ford. Congrats by men. Great performance. It was a lot of fun to watch. A lot of fun to see you in there. Finally, after a couple of close calls where it seemed like your debut was going to get delayed. It was a great performance. Great fight, great win. And happy that you guys got the bonus. It's rare that the opening fight on the car, the curtain Jerker, if you will get the bonus, but they certainly in my opinion. So enjoy it. Get well soon, and hopefully, we'll see you soon out there. By man. Yes, you nailed it. Well done well done with the audio and the video preciado very much. 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Go you want to you want go to Minneapolis, the Saturday and Gano JD you wanted to go last weekend in Greenville, the vid seats, the hook you up. Speaking of Greenville would agree performance on Saturday from one Lewis, painter, defeating Matt Wyman if you asked me should have ended a little earlier, it was one sided. It was dominant. He was on point from start to finish never in doubt. Let's talk to the man, they call violent Bob Ross who certainly was violent. We spoke to his roommate Doron win. I to say in the battle the mates thus far. Louise. Your connection must much much better than his. Using starbucks? So I can't even take credit for. All right. Well, well done. You didn't even have to give them a shot up, but I appreciate that. Congratulations on the win. Can I ask, you know, I was making a lot of this this big comeback. From wymen came out of nowhere. I still don't really know why he came back. What was your react like did you even remember who met Wyman was, did, you know, who he was been so long since he last fall, what was your reaction when you found out that he'd be your next opponent? Yeah. I'm actually a pretty big a huge huge fan. I'm a big student of the game. So of course, I it was. I just had to remember, if it was the valley flag by or the TJ grant fight that was his last one. Okay. I, I mean, I didn't know what to think about it come in, when they offered it to me. But at the same time, like I really don't care names name. Okay. Was it hard to prepare for a guy that you had not seen fight in five years? Weren't quite sure what you were going to get from him. It was it was extremely hard to prepare for guy like this special a guy like that. Because of if you go back and look at is fights in his earlier, career in the UFC, he's of much more of grapple heavy style whereas his last, like three fights he kind of came out with a more traditional boy tie trying to rip leg kicks. Kind of thought I thought this was a phenomenal performance by you arguably maybe your best in the crazy. I mean it was a good performance. I there's a lot of things I feel as though I need to work on after that performance or after the fight. You know, that's like the main thing for me is like all my coaches are sitting there. Telling me all the good stuff that I did. And I'm sitting there telling them all the terrible stuff. I did what do you think you deter ably? I'm not gonna lie. I think I could've put the pedal to the medal, a little bit more and got him out of there a bit quicker. I think I let him let him off of sometime. I feel as though if I wouldn't have just been content with standing over him and throwing ground impounded, like actually, let him up and set him up for a decent knockout. I could've finished on feet. I was wondering about that. Why did you do that? Why did you why did you go to the ground and not have him stand up with you? Because man, you gotta get there. I felt really comfortable in those exchanges in I it. I never felt in danger at all. I knew I had to had to get that win. And so, I was like, you know, I'm controlling the fight them winning the fights listless win go ahead in win. But at the end of the day, do that's the one thing most supporting myself for this. I feel as though I should've just should've just put the pedal to the metal surprised that his team didn't stop the fight in between the second and third round. No, I wouldn't buy team to stop the fight. No matter what is really even if is even if it's like that in there, I better if if, if they stopped the I better not get up. Wow. Why is that? Because I want every opportunity there is to win that fight, even if the mindset of live to fight another day, you'll come back, don't take too much damage. I'll be twenty six in two weeks. I'll live to fight another day. All right. But he's thirty five so much different. Right. Exent. He's thirty five but he's also exactly he's thirty five. You gotta see if you can still do it. I mean I understand his mindset, I'm not gonna take anything away from his team for doing that or for, for letting him go out there and continue to fight for letting him do what he thought he needed to do. I mean we're warriors. This is what we signed up for. He didn't sign up to play Patty cake. You know, he knew what he was getting himself into. I think that's what he wanted. Fair enough. He was bleeding a lot. How does that affect you if at all? Like, is it harder to, to get a hold of him to feel like it's getting in the way is making things, slippery, or is it affecting you at all? That blood. Oh, energizes me. If you your play Bordeaux combat eleven there's a character named Scarlett. She's the blood God. That's how I felt as soon as that bliss, sorta splitting all over me. I felt amazing put I feel like I felt that crimson just like cover my body and coded. And then I can feel it in my hair was like I filled amazing. I this out explain it. This is an shell is why I have so much respect for you guys. Why can never fathom doing what you do because I would want to run and go take a shower mmediately in the middle of the fight. You felt amazing in like I'm talking yesterday on the airplane. And I went to go put my air pods in their little buffalo. I pull them out, and there's like just specks of blood all over. I was just like. Oh my God. In my one of my corner bid is sitting there. And I'm like, dude, I got blood by years. And then I see all these heads on the plane. That is has that ever happened to you before that much. Oh, no. That was the bloodiest fight of been and you loved every minute of it every single minute of. Wow. Okay. Did you say anything after the fight? He said something to me of he ardently gave me probably the, the biggest compliment anyone has ever given me in my career, he told me the he reminded me of young him and that he's that I'm next. But he's, he's fled to see me doing this. Glad to see someone like me of becoming popular becoming a star because I'm so respectful you know, he wants to see guys like me bring the fourth this Ford and not of bring it down. That is great. I mean, what do you even say to someone like that? Like, when someone says something like that to you. I had no words. Man, I, I made I was thirteen when he made his UFC debut and for for someone like him to say that to me, I have no words, manages it. Let me know that I'm on the right path doing the right things not only in my trading and in these fights. But in the way, I conduct myself the way I carry myself in the public how much better, did you feel back at one fifty five? I felt amazing. I feel great at fifty five but I'm not gonna lie. I, I got really really big after the fight of forty five I about one ninety eight I've told them grow and run there in the quarter I felt it you know what I'm saying? I felt coming down from one eighty and it just it over Mayes, that I can't like as much as I do wanna get big in Edo put on some real waves. Real man, wait to, to compete at one fifty five. I don't have to do that. I can I can put on weight, you know, get up to about one eighty maybe eighty five but I don't have to get up to two hundred plus or one ninety two to do this. It did kind of me a little bit that big of a cut. But I it's once again being fifty five it's just I know my body, so well, I didn't even have to touch the sauna to make are we done with the one forty five experiment? You know talking to row this weekend. He really wants to to try it again. We may we may visit that again. But right now, I'm feeling comfortable fifty five I like fifty five I like some of the ups that my manager's been talking about fifty five. I'd like to move forward and fifty five but once again, you know, I have to have to listen to my coaches and take everything they say in want me to do it a consideration. I'm just curious. Why consider obviously, it was a tough cut. It wasn't easy. You miss wait. You look so good at one fifty five. Why put your body through that? I have no clue rescind does just stubborn. He just wants you to go through it again. Yeah. Pretty much. Okay. But I mean you, you, you have the right to the first refusal. Right. You could say right? Is that that's the great thing about our relationship mad? I mean, don't get me wrong. He's my coach. I listen to everything he says, I. His words final. But we have that relationship, we can talk to each other about things I can come to him with anything that any issue, I have any issue, I have with him or something that he says to me, you know, we can talk. We talk it out. We talk through it. And there's no never any hard feelings. You know whatever gets hurt over anything. You know what I'm saying? Even if we do get into a big blow of fight within thirty minutes of call in the other. Hey, I'm sorry, man. This is how I felt this, you know, this, I felt got out like mid you know, it's, it's probably the best relationship with the coach because he treats me like a grown man. And what was the like being on the same card as your roommate who's making his debut, having Doron Doron win their, you know, the entire week as he prepares you can show him the ropes a little bit as well. Just end the friendship that you guys have did you feel like that made things a little better for you in the build up to the fight? The energy, we add go in. There was just it was on another level. I can't explain it. You know, I really have to show him the ropes he knows how to do it. He's been he's been on the big stage in wrestling. He knows what he's doing. But just haven't had the energy of both of us getting ready all all of our team there around us of prompted us up us us to being the focus of the week and not only that, but the entire K of we've been just grinding together we put mass in our garage so that we could we could get more training in, you know, he and I are just constantly bouncing ideas off each other, ho cave. We're constantly talking to each other off each other through, you know, hard as at practice Harte's of issues, you might have going on your, your person, in your personal life to, to have him throughout the whole experience, was just I can't really fast for. A fetter. Situation. You know, I'd love to do it again. But at the same time, you know, we can't make it happen. I remember the first time we had you on the shows actually around a year ago and you were talking about hoping to find your biological mother, you have since found her. And I believe your Instagram page, we learnt that your biological mother attended the fight. Is that right? Okay. So is actually my biological. Father mother when I was nineteen. Yeah but up with that stuff last year. But that was the first time she had ever heard the kids for my little brother and sister had ever got to see me fight live. So it was like it was really, really big deal for me. You know, I wanted to go out there put a show on for make him proud, especially my mother, my siblings. You know, they look up to me. They, they, they see me as a celebrity. They tell their friends and stuff, you know, my brother's violent off, so I mean, I just wanted to make them out. I wanted to, you know, fruit to hit your brother is that guy. So have you found your biological father? Yeah. Yeah. We, we linked up of Israel crazy story man, we so I'm on the way I'm driving from a Saint Louis to California. Some move out there amid a U haul my best friend, and I get an Email from ancestry dot com. It tells me you've got a new a new DNA match all school. 'cause like answered video, you probably get like your day matches all fit cousins and stuff like that. You know, and I saw like going through all the information in a lake. It's like it's a show me all the DNA markers for like the markets that I don't know where they come fro, and then it gets down to sec