19 Episode results for "Johnston"

Beware The Slippery Slope Of Assumptions In Meetings #709

Trent365

02:10 min | 1 year ago

Beware The Slippery Slope Of Assumptions In Meetings #709

"Beware the slippery slope of assumption in negotiations On the way to London's morning snuck into the NAP Erie He. There's nobody here so I thought it'd be a good place to get this one record before I jump on the plane and this is the number one reason that I see. People fail in negotiations hell. It's the number one reason that I failed in negotiations. You go in with breath and anticipation expectation and assumption of what the other side is looking for what the other side is going to do and invariably when that happens you. You never are able to anticipate exactly what's going to happen. You never able to know exactly what they think he. And I think it's something that we're kind of hardwired to do in some ways. Certainly I think I am. I mean I'm the worst case scenario guy. I'm the great but guy. I'm always trying to think about anticipate. Ask why the problem is when you go in with those those anticipations those assumptions what happens when they don't come off the way you expected easy kinda throws him. Oh Joe add a little bit I think and then it becomes comes a much more adversarial type conversation and the meetings that I've going to wear. I didn't expect the meeting. Basically though I'm called in our unannounced Johnston we just basically sat down to negotiate unannounced and unplanned. Those ones where I haven't been able to go in with any assumptions. Those ones of actually being the ones that have proven more successful and I know it's kind of counter to what we've been taught. We always been taught to make sure that you're ready for your meetings and you're prepared but that doesn't mean making too to many assumptions about what the other side is looking for. Because I think once you do that it becomes a slippery slope because you're just guessing you don't know so beware. Yeah the slippery slope of assumptions when you negotiating and you might just find that things actually working for both sides. Just the thought already. That is it for today. Thank you for your time. I will be back again tomorrow from Coventry. I think by now you know me.

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Let It Roll: The Devil, Daniel Johnston and Documentary Film

Rock N Roll Archaeology

1:02:49 hr | 10 months ago

Let It Roll: The Devil, Daniel Johnston and Documentary Film

"Welcome to let it. Roll the PODCAST. About how why popular music happens hosted by Nate Wilcox? Follow the let it roll podcast on twitter at let it roll cast to check out our website at let it roll podcast. Dot Com. Let it roll as a pet. The podcast and you can listen to all the other great Pantheon podcasts at. Www DOT PANTHEON PODCASTS DOT com today? Nate welcomes back. Jeff Footsie the director of the devil and Daniel Johnston to discuss the late singer songwriter. And Austin Texas legend the line between genius and madness the low five movement and the making of one of the all-time great rock documentaries pop in those ear. Buds and enjoy role. I'm your host nate. Wilcox today afraid of the shows returning Jeff. Flake is here to talk about his film. The Devil and Daniel Johnston Jeff. Welcome need how you doing doing well. Great to have you back. Thanks great to be back. Love the show and And so the film has it's been out for what sixteen years now fourteen years and it's taken on a weight. You indie wire named the number one best music documentary the Twenty First Century which given the explosion of music documentaries the twenty first century. Pretty heavy praised. So congratulations. Yea well thank you. I appreciate that it was nice. We've been on a lot of lists Pretty steadily since phone came out but You know keeps coming up Closer to that number one slot and you liked that. Yeah it's good and I want to read a little bit of what they said in the article where they awarded you the number one slot and it says a reminder that true artistry is extremely rare to come by and often impossible to survive deeply soulful uniquely poetic darkly disturbed. The story of songwriter. Gained Johnson is heartbreaking and captivated as they come. I cannot disagree what drew you to Daniel. Johnston what what made it feel like? This was a story that had to be told. You are the person that was going to tell it. Well you know. Many things drew me to Daniel. It was I guess it was around. Eighty four eighty five and You know in the underground he started bubbling up with Cassette tapes on stress records Which was this little Indie label at Austin Texas. And you know the only way to get those things whereas Through fanzine so you know before the Internet we had a pretty thriving fanzine world all around the world Not just here. And there was a great community of people and Everybody was exchanging ideas and writing criticism. You know just sharing their fandom and Daniel really put himself on the radar and he caught my attention. I sent my. I think it was like three dollars attended off to Austin Texas this. Po Box and there was this guy. Jeff Tartikoff is little Jewish guy who I became friends with. We became pen pals. He sent me these tapes and They were handmade. And You Daniels. Very primitive artwork on the cover and then You know you pop them on and you know I was overwhelmed. I mean you're here. Was this this incredible prolific songwriter recording himself in a basement. And he'd written you know so many incredible of love great theme and he also you know recorded himself I should say he recorded his mom yelling at him and he would put that as little snippets between the songs and then he's also incredibly funny and he you know there's an incredible piano player which is unfortunately very overlooked in his story at the moment but yeah incredible piano player and then sometimes it was in primitive guitar playing so I I became fascinated him because he was He was kind of mythical he certainly income too. I was living in Jersey at the time. So he didn't tour and that made you want even more but You know he. He created this incredible universe of his town and his life was very autobiographical and You know he'd fallen in love with this girl in Laurie and she married a local undertaker. You know at that point in time we believe in my friends. Believe that he'd made it all up. We didn't even know where he was real or if he undertaker real but anyway he'd written you know about a hundred songs about her and I I became you know. I guess the word would be obsessed and I started collecting Articles about him and keeping a file on him. 'cause I I loved Not only music and art. But I'd really loved his story and it's a compelling story and unique one since the theme of the show is how popular music happens. I want to talk a little bit about something that the critic Robert Briscoe coin and called Semi Popular Music which is something that's been a fascination of critics and fans for a long time which is music doesn't ever break through to the mainstream and yet impacts the mainstream impacts the greater culture to me. Daniel is like sort of a definitive semi popular artists. And somebody and especially thanks to your film like when you go on Youtube now and you look up Daniels on almost. Every video has several hundred thousand views and so his impact has sort of been like a time. Delayed bomb that that's just keeps going off and keeps reaching more and more people because it's such a personal connection it's not made for you. Jeremiah's you know it's not garth brooks or something that's just going to rock the House for thirty thousand people at a time but it seems to reach people in a really powerful way and the underground you reference in the eighties as as a topic. We've had on the show multiple times and Daniel talk a little bit. How he slipped into the Austin scene. Just as that scene was getting national attention from MTV. Well yeah I mean once again back then it was very. It was two things going on. There was there was like a corporate capitalist structure Had in price still does have a stranglehold on popular culture. And that's just the way it is so you know. Outside of that There was a thriving independent underground scene. You know the the world which I don't like Didn't exist and people operating in those margins. There was not really giant aspiration to be a part of that popular culture. You rarely happened so it was like in a vacuum and it was very very regional and at various points in time certain cities kind of dominated so You know as point New York dominated with punk. Which sort of came out of Cleveland you know. And then San Francisco had his own seen. La had its own see. Then it moves to Asan's Georgia certain point and You know that spawned a little bit later on like the incredible elephant. Six collective scene that was amazing and You know back to Austin they have a thing going on Austin was happening at at at the time. And you know it's also totally exaggerated a quote unquote. Mtv came to town. So let's just put that into context so there with MTV no doubt about it and They also had a little show on. Mtv called the cutting edge which aired. Once okay I should say the Austin episode aired once so it wasn't like Daniel was in heavy rotation on MTV it just it sounds that way now but it. It just didn't happen so if you happen to have caught the cutting edge that one night and caught the episode. There was a snippet of Daniel Johnston which was great. But the world didn't get exposed to Daniel from MTV just didn't happen But it made him noise in Austin which was great in Austin had this Local pride at the time of having a lot of great singer Songwriter Guitar slingers. Daniel was sort of a flying and he pissed off everybody because he won I think that's songwriter. And Best Folk Artists in the Austin Chronicle back when they used to be a thriving independent media scene in every city arts paper which poses just anymore. So but yeah yeah. You'll meet a lot of noise. It was great but you know once again. He didn't he. Didn't you know like like there's easy? Top quota didn't go nationwide at that point. You know yeah he but the thing that's fascinating to me about. That is that. Daniel is often seen as a naive artists and yet repeatedly throughout his career. And you have to call the career. He sees the initiative and to me as much as you know any rock hero John Lennon and Ray Davis. Whoever Neil Young Daniel saw has opportunities and seized it and getting in front of the MTV cameras and stealing the show and he did steal that show. That was kind of as a kid in the Texas panhandle who was getting the Austin Chronicle mail to vice big brother You know I made my way to Amarillo to see that show and it was deal and Daniel definitely yeah. That was my first exposure. Daniel Johnston and the thing about Austin as an awesome night. I can say this. It's a pretty parochial town and getting that validation from MTV really mean the chronicle had already adopted Daniel but but that really put the Cherry on top as far as the city adopting him and and there was. None of the Austin scene at the time was built around bands like the true believers without one hundred veto and Zeitgeist. That later became the reverse. Glass I with Kathy McCarthy and these bans that that thought they might have a chance at MTV and then they kind of the biggest band in town to the extent that they were here but they were from here was about whole surfers. Who were sort of pariahs to the chronicle because it was clear they were never going to be accepted on. Mtv although ironically they ultimately did but but so daniels canonise is something that I've always found fascinating you know like reading discussions. I was reading an IRA robbins of trouser. Press reviews of Daniel's work prepare for the show. And you know there's a little bit of hand wringing about Oh you know is mental health and is this. Is this right to you. Know had qualms questions about this line ization of Daniel Johnson. Somebody who's obviously struggling with mental illness and to me you know that's sort of a recurring theme on the show. Talk about so many casualties who share their musical gifts with the world and then paid us. Enormous price and and Daniel did pay a higher price in a lot of people in his his mental faculties. Were more extreme than a lot of other artists. But I don't really see. Daniel is different than other artists. You know I mean he's obviously a powerful songwriter and like you say a gifted pianist and then his visual art only improved over the decades. And so now he's to me. Don Van vliet Captain Before. It's the only other rock artists. I know of WHO's had a successful art career is Daniel Johnson. Maybe John Lennon sketches. But then he's John Lennon so and so I'm just fascinated daniel sort of this multi-talented figure and yet and a lot of ways he's not functional enough to Ha- to be seen as a careerist and so I don't know I just find that team fascinating to do struggle with that at all that you feel like am I harming Daniel by bringing more attention to more. How much do you feel like you had to protect Daniel? Oh I mean not at all. I didn't think about it from moment. Daniel you know as I came to know because I was privy to. You know an insane amount of audio. Diaries and written diaries and things like that. And also you know became friends with Jeff. Tarnow Danny was the puppet master of his own career. He was very much driven like Gillen leads driven when he invaded Greenwich village in the sixties and hit the folk scene. There was a lot of talented artists. I mean we can replace you know the rivers or Zeitgeist or Kathy McCarty or any of those bands with Dave in rock or other folk artists in the village. But you know just like Gillan was better so as Daniel. You know And he was not shy about a he. He was not that artist hiding in the garage. You know painting crying songs and asking people hey you know. What do you think He knew he was great. He had the goods. He was prolific. He had this incredible body of work and then he was driven to come up with a unique way. You know outside of mainstream culture forget the MTV moment. 'cause I was just a great moment. But he really came up with his own Version of disseminating his art and getting it out into the world and it was very unique. So what did he do? We take cassettes. And he worked at McDonalds and put them you know usually a hip musician in town or cute girl and he would put that in your hamburger. French fries sack next thing. You know you gotta tape handmade tape. It's like getting a little little love letter and you pop it in and I fell my God. That's good that so that really worked. That's spread real fast. In according to people he would stand on the drag and handed out almost like a guy with a sandwich board so he did that. And then the same thing with the art you know this guy put out thousands of pieces of art and got them all the people around the world who had this art over the years and how do they get it. Well you know he would trade them Though the comic bookstore people come in and buy them and he was already a little mythical character and people picked up the real cheap. And it's got out there and spread. You didn't wait for the galleries to show up for the museum. He just put it out there. So that was Kinda brilliant and He knew how to promote you know. He would make a great handmade posters about shows and promote those kind of things and then of course you know. Wmu In hoboken. I give more credit to for really breaking Daniel on more of a national level Yeah no doubt. He conquered Austin but that body of work he did really was before he got Austin. It really was recorded in west. Virginia you know he made he made a name Austin and then. Fm YOU IN hoboken New Jersey New York broke it wide and gain. You'll didn't credible promos for that. He did a one hour radio broadcast that you know I've called it. You know the equal if not better than Orson. Welles is a war of the worlds. It's incredible and really a radio drama. Dvd I highly recommend anybody. Who hasn't what's all the bonus tracks on DVD to do it it's it's incredible radio and Wfan new blog the whole hours up and boy. What an entertaining. How radio 'CAUSE DANIELS DOING He's doing this persona that. I call Mister Showbiz you know. You really get him in overdrive promoting his own career and he's doing multiple voices and characters and overdubbed on his cassettes. And it's really something so anyway for anyone listening to this I recommend to go to the FM you blog and check it out so highly. And I want to jump in and get a play a song snippets. Who can hear some Daniel on? We're going to hear I Dan is primarily a songwriter. He's a great performer. But his songs also have this transfer ability and make great cover version. So we're GONNA do pairings where we do Danes original cover of it and this This one I one is rocket ship by Daniel Johnson. And then we'll hear Kathy McCarty version on a trip and that was Daniel Johnson's version of rocket ship. And Kathy McCarthy's cover version of that song and talk about Kathy with a little bit and and to me it's like just a classic rock and roll story. The Way Daniel comes to town makes a name for himself and swoops up one of the biggest stars of the scene Kathy McCarthy and they even given the uniqueness of Daniel Johnson's lifestyle briefly item. Yeah well you know at the time was You know the hot Austin Band. Daniel admired them joan on them and she she She dogging back. She was probably one of the first people to get those tapes and she fell in love with The artist I before she realized that what the person she was dealing with Was definitely difficult. What's so That stories well told in the film. I think the the better story is what happens with Gang does best friend in the film. And real life of course Dave thornberry The poet from West Virginia who steals art buddy and I love how ultimately Daniel Couldn't have Kathy. But then his best friend ends up marrying chaffey and they're still together in Austin right now so I think that's a beautiful love story Says a lot about Daniel and his unrequited love theme and also. Cathy goes on to record a full album of Daniel songs. The first person to do that in Nineteen Ninety Four. And you know like she says in the movie she thinks that's her best work and the and the thing she'll be remembered for it and you know in the nineties. I think That album did overshadow daniels work because he was in and out of mental institutions and had a pretty bad deal with Atlantic records that kind of buried him for a while. And and for me. I know playing Kathy McCarthy's version Was a great way to explain Daniel. That people like you play these songs and this is a really good album and then you tell them about Dan rather than seventy times trying to play him. Daniel for people that just weren't prepared for the Lo fi sound and that's another thing. I wanted to talk a little bit about is is Daniel's place in what became known as the Lo fi movement. Yeah well there's there's two conversations to be had I mean the whole the cover version thing is kind of amazing because though I personally prefer my Dana Johnston raw and real and I really enjoy listening to stress cassettes more than the covers. It's amazing how many covers have been recorded and like you know in cafes literally next Friday night Or on world you know. Young people are covering Daniel Justin right now and we're talking tens of thousands so this is a real phenomenon that's been going on not just died recently. It's been going on for a long time and when you see so. Many great artists moved by Daniel whether it was Sonic boom of spacemen. Three or Jason Spacemen. Three and spiritualized covering him and things like that that really they zoned in on You know certain tracks like true level. Find you in the end Those are just so universal great. They're they're becoming very much like woody. Guthrie songs like it's part of the great American songbook and that would really I think moves me definitely. Introduces people you know. I think Nick Cave is recently. It's been covering Daniel. The list is endless But there's not hundreds and hundreds of people around the world and cafes Friday night to my knowledge covering Nick Cave interesting okay. So you know. We're trying to tell you. I think it's great these. Are you know often? Great Artists Acknowledging another great artist and then lovely and it keeps spreading. But you know Daniels now. Finally taken his proper place in that rare Mount Rushmore of super great artists that I've always said he was He belonged in. Which of course is you know. He's right up there with dealing writer. He's right up there with Brian Wilson. He's right up there with Lou Reed you know and people was insane for saying these things back. Then you know. But that's what I felt so It took an independent voice and independent film to to to make that message and put it out there certainly really so magazine times at the time was never going to tell you that and You know it was treated very much like Fulton's folly. When we were making the film some people thought we were absolutely insane for spending one million dollars on Daniel Johnston and I'm glad that I did so. Yes we are too and yeah. It's it's interesting. The aversion to people to Daniel send people have just because of the way. The stress cassettes were originally presented its low recorded on. Cassette. It's Lo fi quality his. He's fairly erratic singer The performances vary wildly in quality. In you know especially back in the day when we would trade tapes around town because Dan would record these things sometimes and you would have the same cassette and you thought you had the same because of that and then you'd hear somebody else play it and you'd be like that's not the one that's not the that's not done in the new year and you're like holy crap. He did this whole thing over which is something that hasn't been done by recording artists. Since the day of you know Edison and and yeah and anyway it's it's just been a fast anything to me to see the different reactions to Daniel based on how it's presented and it's amazing. How much having documentary. That's obviously a great film overwhelmed those objections and so you know thank you for bringing Daniel to so many people and but the Lo fi like. He came along at a time when Lo fi was just beginning to be a thing where where there were few artists Jandak and a few other people that were recording things at home and putting him out on cassette. And you had also a string of sort of barack artists who had burned out like syd Barrett and and skip spence of moby grape and rock Ericsson and then their recordings took on kind of this naive our quality in a way people didn't know how much in control of his abilities and Daniel kind of was on the absolute cutting edge of that and then fair who collaborated with them. And who've you've also documented in in another great film that people probably haven't seen but it's on DVD. You can still get the band who would be king highly recommended. Can you talk a little bit about the relationship between Daniel and Jad fair and the Daniels able to plug himself into this nationwide network of underground artists? Sure I mean we wanted to touch on the low fighting just briefly so I don't know I think is interesting in know it became a tag. You know and people need tags. You know you know genres and things like that. I don't think the mediums ever the message so laws but whatever. If that's what got him some ink that was fine but he he was a real innovator because you know unlike springsteen who latched on early to the task him for track set in made Nebraska. You Know Day of top that Daniel went further gained took just a standard cassette recorder. But he was an incredible innovator with it because he did over dubbing. You know which you don't necessarily or you're not really able to do dubbing with two independent cassette decks so he picked up a lot of room ambience and things like that and it's obviously He had one tiny microphone to plug in. And it didn't get in the way at all of of those field recordings in in many ways he was sort of like a modern day. Self documenting like Alan Lomax. You know recording like Robert Johnson who stood in a corner and made with mono like a false stereo using the ninety degrees at the walls. I don't know if you're aware of that or not. So yes so. Daniel did his own thing and it had its own ambiance and an aesthetic And you know Ba- like you mentioned those tapes were dubbed. So you're getting you know. Second sometimes third generation Dale Johnston and he definitely was yet. I I used to say you had to squeeze your years through. Hess to hear his incredible piano playing in the incredible motion songwriter. But that was part of the fun. You know Now you know a lot of those masters have been better than they're up there up on all the streaming sites and you don't have as much of that problem and I think those tapes are pretty Goddamn listenable. I always thought they were but I. I remember what you're saying doesn't really tapes listening on my cassette deck. How it was a little challenging you know and then it became a movement. Although to this day I can't even though the artist who's like remembered from the Lo fi movement. I I certainly wouldn't put Genentech in that category. I'm if you've spent The gender had a real real recruiter in his album. Sounds amazing to me you know. Yeah so I don't know but Once again it became part of the the Mavericks Self. You know promoting myth of Daniel Johnston. That he wasn't going to wait for a record company to sign him and promote him and have him. You know all that I mean he did have a manager but you know it was nothing to get in the way between you and him and getting his message and his music and his art into your hands into your eyes and ears you know and I thought that was amazing. So yeah absolutely. Isn't it's become artists. Ariel Pink in the twentieth century and so many of the Soundcloud rappers. And and doing it yourself. Bedroom Artistry Technology's advanced to the point where there's a very thin line between professional studio recording. And what you're doing in your bedroom and Daniels example. I think as inspired a lot of people and going on the like the they were Daniel on his career and you know he he had this little breakthrough Austin with MTV and immediately as a breakdown like he starts hanging out with with the butthole surfers and anybody in town at the time. I remember when the the compilation album that the butthole surfers put out that had Daniel on it I can remember we were scared of the butthole surfers. They had this reputation and their music was heavy and dark and intense and everybody took acid to shows. And I can remember you know. Seeing the biggest scariest guide ever seen The first time I went to butthole surfers show going. Oh it was too scary for me to go backstage. The backstage or so scary. I had to leave. And so I'm like terrified of these people. And then here's the Djelic naive figure. Daniel Johnston start shading with giving a company and it really scared me. And and and it and it quickly. I don't know that you can blame gave me but I mean Daniel. Taking acid at about whole surfers show clearly was not good for Daniel. I know my own experience to manic. Depression LSD is terrible for me and that seems to be sort of a recurring cycle of Daniel that every time. He has a big breakthrough. Then there's a mental breakdown that follows his trip to New York where he plays. Cbgb's and he's hanging out with Steve Shelley and he's recording with Kramer and recording with half a sonic youth. And then next thing you know. He's assaulting Steve Shelley and and this this pattern recurs all throughout. And how much do you feel like? What do you make that connection that recurring pattern in Daniel's life of of success and then massive self sabotage well I mean once again he falls pretty clearly into this Tortured artists category. There's in the film. I referenced this book I'd Read Kay Redfield Jamison book called touched with fire and the chronicle all the great poets and painters and musicians and artists throughout history. And just you know not all but a massive amount suffered from at time. It was called Mac depression. And that's a Daniel had so you know according to the book you know they're they're great works of art there. Sistine Chapel's whatever you WANNA call it you know. They were painted during the he's manic high phases and then there were these incredible lows where there was a lot of self medication. Going on depending on whatever century you were in what was available and that's And then you get a lot of suicides and things like that. They're so daniel fit into that. And that's just the way it was He also chronicle did better than any of them and he. That was his other great subject outside of the unrequited love. I mean you have someone's like I lost my mind. You know and he did all the paintings about that and he had A. He had breakdowns actually in highschool where Everything was gone and he still. He built himself back up and he chronicled all that people don't remember that period they only remember the butthole surfers period with the acid because he was more public point but yeah he was doing a lot of drugs he He wrote he wrote songs you know. He called them. Happy smokes you'd loved weed and acid definitely went. The best thing I to this day. I I don't blame give. I don't even know if you'd be gave them acid because he was messing around with a few people back then but whatever happened happened you know. He was in adult and he experimented and it wasn't the right thing but yeah he had a lot of bed phases where he was harmful to other people and harmful to himself and that's when he became multiple times institutionalize and it was tragic and sad. You know and as a friendly one whether an artist or someone who's on an artist it's horrible. But he did that. But at the same time you know it became a subject for him in his autobiographical writing in his music and art to write about and that it's very moving and oftentimes when he recovered was incredibly heroic to see how much he had to say because he'd been there you know and he was able to tell came back to tell about it. So you know I find that. Whole Journey. The up the downs to be you know just a fascinating ride on this artist career it absolutely makes for compelling viewing in the film and let's one of those gyms that he brought back from the other side. This is true. Love find you in the end and will. I hear Dan Johnson's version and then we'll hear a little bit of Wilko's version. You true love will find you the end. You'll find bad just to with your friend. Don't be sad you will was you wo- covering Daniel Johnson's love find you in the end preceded by Daniels version and that is another song. That's been the entry point to Daniel for a lot of people because wilco is a artists that isn't Jain Norma's but has a really strong colt and it's the power of it and like you say to me. Daniels version is so untouchable and yet it seems to be just this call. Artists can't resist taking a stab at it. Because everybody thinks I can sing a little better than that I can do it. And somehow it's approachable despite being such powerful art in a way that most of his contemporaries have not like I think Daniels very unique in that that he's one the few artists of his generation who has been widely covered and his songs have become standards. And that you know in this governor this project where we're talking. I'm going to be talking to Irving Berlin biographer in a couple of weeks and it's I'm sure there are people will just laugh out loud if I compare Daniels on center Irving Berlin but to me. They're very much part of the same. Pantheon of great American songwriters. And it's been inspiring to see Daniels acceptance growing and growing and it was also very difficult for me to pick songs for this. I'll ultimately ended up picking the songs that meant the most to me but the song I'm walking the cow which was The first song on the first Daniel Johnson. I got the homestead record before I got the cassettes and that was the first song on. Hi How are you and that was covered by Pearl Jam and it was very difficult not to pick that. So what of the covers of Daniel? Which ones do you think about the most impact domestic you? Well you know for me personally. You know once you gotta go back to the earliest people who really found him. I that resonating to me. That was You Know Peter. Sonic boom of spacemen. Three I think his yes. Two versions of true level. Find in the end. They're amazing later on Jason his ex partner from spacemen. Three Jason Spaceman. He also covered it. Conspiracy ended up covering about four or five songs. And they're all wonderful so those those resonate more to me you know. I was never a Pearl Jam. Fan You know it's great that it exposed the annual so in there are obviously Pearl. Jam stands out there But that wasn't my trip I wasn't even aware Wilco did that song. It's it's amazing to me that people keep doing it But yeah once again. The original version was recorded by Kramer. And that's on the nineteen ninety and that was in my opinion the other masterpiece outside of the stress cassettes. You know it's the only time has ever been truly great in the studio environment. In those phones became the core to the Devil Day. Johnston You know the theme of the film is One of his other Most part of this things lasts a long time which people forget you mentioned Jad fair before. We should probably talk about him Jad road. Something's US long time. That was a half Japanese. Saw Daniel Change The music in came up with a very simple piano melody and then sang it beautifully. And now it's you know. Of course put the word hit in parentheses for quotes. And it's probably the other big some people now now of Daniel but there's so many others you know to be discovered covered many many already have and talking about Heaven Jad Fair Jad Fair's an iconic classic artists who you know made an ideology of rejecting learning to play you know he created his own thing and every time he his work did become a little bit more polished. But what it's to me. It's so unique. Another unique aspect of the Daniel Johnson story is that he's successfully collaborates with somebody like that fair. Which you're always putting together. The all-star Kambas favorite musicians and so rarely do they click. What what what do you think about those two? That allowed them to be good collaborators together. I literally just handed in. These liner notes for the reissue of the album. Is the album that came out was called. Jad Fair and Daniel Johnston It's been retitled Over the years as it's Spooky. And it's fantastic. Jed The producer of it You know a little context. Basically when Daniel was on the rise Jad was the king of the underground everyone looked to Jab Jab. You know he emerged right at the same time as Patti Smith. I self released. Thanks jazz really coming out of the PUNK era but he was self releasing self recording and At the time you know him and his brother David didn't know how to play their instruments and they didn't let that get in the way and then they found other musicians in the evolved the eventually record this masterpiece true to life which really put Jad Japanese on top of the world but he you know. He gained a huge amount of respect. You know from people like Princeton son used before sonic like us we're popular Jabar's is like the one everyone worshiped in the underground and it was a small world. So Daniels found out about Jad and it was a of similarities. Cause Jad he wrote Particularly this one album is solo album called everyone knew but me He wrote a suite of unrequited love songs about a girl in eighty and Daniel really latched onto that so he really wanted to meet Jadan. Jad also fell in love with. Hi How are you so by the time they get to meet New York during that crazy trip with Sonic Youth. You know they hit it off. And then Jed invited Daniel to collaborate and you know I I compare it to Like doing and Johnny cash and their Nashville sessions. You know it's just an incredible record and Anyway joyful noise is putting that out in April and I just wrote like the war. And peace of wine or notes on Jab was the man and You know if Daniels the greatest songwriter of generation of unrequited love. Someone's I would argue that. Jad was the best writer of love songs you know. He wrote Miracles happen every day. Which you know if you and I talked about it enough and people listen to this. Podcast could catch on just like true level. Find you in the end. I think everybody loves a good love Song. You know I think Jad did so But Yeah Jazz. Also once again he. He's the CO writer of. Something's lasts a long time and I think people need to be reminded that that that the collaboration and we'll hear that's the last thing I'm going to pick because My daughter's favorite song slanted del. Rey's cover of that so I'm kind of giving that away early but we'll get there but Daniels Daniels doing these things. Despite his illness and despite recurring stints and mental homes are recurrent has to go back to live with his parents. He continues to make these moves. There's a trip to New York. Then another trip to Maryland record with Jad fair and meanwhile the this whole time Jeff Tarter Cov in Edge Jeff Daniels first manager. The first manager is named blanket on Daniel assaulted Randy Randy Camper and so randy definitely paid a big price for having tried to help Daniel and then Jeff you know like Houthi McCarthy's movie that this is kind of the real tragedy of the Daniel Johnson stories that the jeff works for almost a decade like seven eight years putting out the tapes endlessly promoting Daniel songs to the band's covers barking with record labels. And right on the verge. You know this Nirvana Habits. And there's this sudden you know. Suddenly the the capitalist culture smells money and and it's been building for a long time they've been waves of getting bigger and bigger coming out of the underground but finally Nirvana break so big. Even the stupidest record executive can't ignore it and Kurt cobain's going around wearing the hi. How are you t shirt that journalist Everett true gave Daniel? I made gift to Cockbain and Tartikoff's riff on the t shirt and people want to know about the t shirt. People want to talk to the t-shirt people want to have. The T shirt is so classic and really gets to the kind of paradoxes. That kind of fame I mean. Cockbain was a sensitive artist great talent and he genuinely loved animals. Music was making a political statement and it was part of what Kobe did. I mean. It wasn't just Daniel that he promoted he also put the meat puppets on MTV unplugged and really worked very hard to promote what he saw as his elders in the scene only people comparable to Kobe. Brian Jones of the rolling stones at Merle Haggard. He's obsessively saying hey. Have you heard about this guy? And and yet the people that are watching cobain and have learned about Nirvana on MTV a disconnect between that Daniel Johnston there's many adrift between the Lippincott but Tartikoff capitalizes on. This negotiates is what he says. Is You know the best deal ever with Elektra. Records but Atlantic records is also interested and then gets right to the edge and then Daniel fires them. What what's your take away from that. In the end no good deed goes unpunished. Well it was once again. Tragic and sad but there's also a lot of humor in the whole thing as well but That broke my heart. you know you. Let's touch on cobaine for a brief moment. You know. Let's give him a little credit for having incredible taste. You know in his diaries that have been published. He has lists and right there on that list of favorite artists which are pretty diverse. You know his Daniel Johnston and Jad fair of half Japanese. He also had jad fair and half Japanese opened the in Utero tour enough. You're aware of that which I attended so he was a real booster. You know. He loves fast-lane. Do you love the meat? Puppets he was you know he was. He was great at sharing his love. K records you know and be happening things like that. So that was great And it was a real boon for Daniel. Daniel of course doesn't even know von Chris Subpoenas. He was not well when that all went down. He was in the mental hospital. So that just tells you about his state of mind you know. He wasn't tuned to the radio. He didn't know what that new radio format even was you know wasn't about if he had access to music. It was one hundred percent Beatles. Beatles bootlegs you know Beatles Solo albums. That's what he was listening to you. I promise you that So anyway when that you know Antonio got fired obviously you know how to make the film at that point. But I still been tracking this story really closely for years. And it broke my heart and I'm a huge fan of Woody Allen Film Broadway Danny Rose and I just saw the house I was like. Oh my God you know Daniel who at that point? In Time Warner wait was very much like Nick Apollo Forte the after. Bro Jamie rose and then Tartikoff uncannily this little Jewish guy from Texas you know at the classes and and the Schmo Zola. He looks so much like woody and the character. Danny rose. And that's what happened. You Know Nick. Apollo Forte see the brighter shinier manager. Who could maybe make more opportunities for many fires gaining rose who loved him and loved his parakeet. Axons balloon folders more than anybody. I mean we all wish we had a manager like Broadway Danny rose and that's what tartikoff really was and I was very moved by that so I sorta filed in my brain for the future that someday I'll be able to make a scene. Make a riff on that and then Kathy McCarty join me on that and we made a fantastic scene. I love it. It breaks my heart And then we would he You know who's a big Fan of documentaries You know I got the phone call. One day I was actually at home. Depot phone rang and I've been waiting for permission because I didn't know what I would do. If I've seen got killed you know. And he gave permission and it was great so that it's like a minute of Daniel rose in the film cut to gang. Johnston story told one hundred percent. You know sincerely but with tongue in cheek by Kathy McCarty. She has a great sense of humor. I like to think I do too so we have a lot of fun with you. Know but it's it it. It was tragic Daniel thrown overboard. I'm assuming tartikoff report then do you feel like it. Was you know because Atlantic made a pretty good faith effort they got Paul leary of the butthole surfers to produce an album? I don't think you can blame Paul or Atlantic for any failings In I like phone. I think it's a really good record. If you like. Daniel Johnson definitely check it out. I don't think it's one of his absolute masterpieces. But it's definitely got some great songs on it and I think the production on it Is Excellent and very sympathetic. But you know like you point out in the movie sells fifty eight hundred records one of the sign records in the catalog. Do what made any difference that he'd been on the electrical with the deal that up? You know it was a long term deal and have always guarantees to protect or do you think that was just another day was just another indie artists who asserted shoot up and spat out by the big conglomerates in that period. Well listen it's all subjective but I do not like fun and been like identity. I don't like it now but I also believe it was created by at least Paul with the best of intentions. Daniel doesn't play any instruments on the ALP. They pull them in the musician's do we know that. Yeah I think Yeah Neil singing. Is You know all over the place on that record. All the songs great absolutely and I've always pointed people to distress cassette versions of those exact same songs. So if you are you can stream it. Now it's a lot easier if you listened to Frankenstein love you get better versions of all those great songs. And if you listen to live at South by South West. All both stress cassettes. You'll get the other batch of those songs. They all ended up on fun much much. Better superior versions of Daniel playing. And then even on Frankenstein love which I really at. A love is the Daniel Place to Texas shows. That was the extent of the tour. And the only you'll get to hear him playing Fender Rhodes piano and it's incredible when you talk about walking the cow for instance or hey joe when you hear it. Even outside of the court organ he's famous for and you hear it on Fender Rhodes. Wow that's really something so That's my two cents on fun But I guess you know you sort of touched upon this. It's like people at that time. Were like how? How DO WE CLEAN UP? Daniel Johnston and make employable the masses. I think that was the thinking behind some of the misguided in our people at Atlantic. You've buffet you know. They had the best of intentions on paper. It made sense but it didn't make sense to me personally because once again I want my art Brut to still be Bruce to say it And I still and I think now over time once again. We're seeing all these people now covering Dan when it's not just because of Wilco and Pearl Jam. They are going back to those original things and I think people have always been thirsty for something. They didn't even know they were thirsty. Four this authentic real emotional you know bloodletting or or you know talk like all. The incredible humor need wonderful comic. Turns OF PHRASE. Edina has known as long as I think. That's cutting through right now. People are finally discovering that there's something else out there and when they get it when you know maybe it's the Internet I don't know but it all sudden you know making them listen to this and making them show them these cafes covering Daniel Right now. They're just doing it until young people which is great and let's keep our final song. This is we've discussed already. Something's lasts a long time words by Jad. Fair music rewritten by Daniel Johnson. We'll hold Daniel Johnston's version and then we'll hear Lana del Rey's version which I didn't even know existed. My daughter. Enjoy listening to Lana del Rey. So I'm searching on Youtube for songs and I come across this and It immediately became her favorite. Lanta del Rey song and so that was a way I could introduce my five year old daughter Daniel Johnston so this is Daniel. Johnston I doing. Some things lasts a long time and inland Dell. Alright on my on my the arm. Aw the extreme phone call has now landed array covering jad fair Daniel Johnson. Something's lasts a long time preceded by Daniels version and so the movie comes out and is a big success. What happened to Daniel after the movie? What's the rest of the story? Well you know Henry Rosenthal my producer who Who paid for the film We had a goal. You know we we. Didn't we worry what's going to happen to Daniel? Elderly parents die really end up homeless. Who would take care of this guy so you know? That was one of the goals of the film like to. Hopefully you know. Put down on the map and maybe Money would come in. And that's what happened You know instantly. The Whitney Biennial Put his art in which was unheard of at the time you know. People are blown away. We galleries on the world sort of showing his art. And it's sort of going for larger sums And then he started touring the world and he was greeted all over the world. I mean you know. The guys like literally touring an Africa. South America Mexico. You know all over Europe Japan and he's greeted the way he's supposed to be greeted. It's like when When Pharaoh Sanders shows up you know our great American jazz artists there with the love and respect that you you know. I always imagined for him. You know and particularly the French you know of course always loved The velvet underground. You know the French get you know the French Love Child. They get it. You know Daniels that stature. And then he made a lot of money and all kinds of crazy. Licensing deals came in and you know apple sort of using his music to sell computers T-shirts sneakers is even now a bestselling go welcome. Mat with the hi. How are you frog as which kind of genius. I have to say It never ends He's a juggernaut. You know The soundtrack to Hollywood movie where the wild things are. You know you've got caring. Oh from the area yes singing on that as the lead Song Opening Song for that movie things like that so yeah. Daniel ended up in pretty good shape financially. Which is great and they he was able to buy a house or should as parents built them an identical house in their backyard and then he had his own studio and then the last time I saw him was incredible he came to the Hollywood bowl and he was the opening. Act FOR A double bill with neutral milk hotel and other artists The Band I love and they sold out the ball. You know neighbor significant for Daniel. Who's the world's biggest needle fan? Of course the Beatles played the Hollywood bowl and have that album there and when he you know played he was in very bad shape he had a walker and he was bent over pretty much like ninety degrees. And you know he shaking like a leaf at the microphone. He wasn't able to play guitar anymore and he was backed by some pickup band. Which is what he'd been doing pretty much Chuck Berry Bo Diddley style. But you know these kids all knew his songs in the backed him and then the very end you know. He's saying True Level. Find you in the end and wow There's a great old movie called pride of the Yankees about Lou Gehrig's last visited Yankee Stadium and it's like a famous movie that makes people cry and I gotTa tell you it was not a dry and how this guy got a standing ovation at the Hollywood bowl as he walked off hobbled off and it was unbelievable and Next to me with some you know young couple College age and the girl like nudging her boyfriend and I overheard her and she's like you know. This is on my bucket list. She was like shaking. She saw Daniel Johnston Day was like that. That big And the end of the story is really nice. I go backstage. Which is the only way I saw Daniel over the years and You know he said to me that he'd watched the film countless times and I appreciate any sank and he said to me you know now Jeff on a half a millionaire so I felt pretty good about that. Yeah that's quite an accomplishment and another thing watching the bonus material and a DVD. When Daniel I the film and Response to you he's really emphasizing the humor and how much he appreciates that you kept the humor and and that you know this is a heavy story. As about great art and madness and great suffering you know and you can see like the scene when his father's crying and recounting his near death. Experience gives Daniel tried to crash their plane and did force him to crash land. You know. So it's it's this happy film but it's never it's never heavy it's always light. It's always funny. How hard you have to work to keep that balance and merges there and it was easy to bring out or did you really have to find yourself. Put in thumb on the scales to keep it humorous. Well it was like two things going on. I mean I I brought it up before when we were talking You know anyone who's missed the humor and Daniel is just missed Daniel. All right I mean it's it's in the songs it's incredible. The guys brought so many great laughs in so many smiles to my face and I just turned my seventeen year old son onto him recently. You know drive around the car. And he's hearing the stuff for the first time and he's absolutely cracking up. Because Gale's truly funny you know and so with the Beatles they were funny and that's something that's not lost some bread over the years. I don't know why but you know but it hope it comes back so I always love gained humor in him and I talked about it. We had a you know a lot of times riffing on all kinds of you know. We're pretty much the same age and you know. Even though he was in West Virginia he was a pop culture junkie. And you know I. I found drawings that he did of Woody Allen you know he was totally aware of all kinds of things so You know I felt like the film is a tragedy. But it's the comic and tragic masks and humor such a big part of the story and I love humor and I wanted to flex those muscles on the film as well and we disorder collaborated and just found it found its way and obviously the heavy stuff is heavy but yeah. There's a lot of lightness around it. You know when he died there was a memorial screening in San Fran and I flew up and watch the price of the first time in easily over a decade with producer. Henry Rosenthal and We were. We had such a good time. We we were laughing our asses off we just daniel just makes us smile so It was it was fun for me to see how it how it held up and that you know listening to an audience You know laugh at all the mark spots we think reporting so well okay. The film is a delight. And and I I would call it a masterpiece in custody masterpiece and the guest. Jeff I see. The film is the devil and Daniel Johnson. Jeff thanks so much for coming on the show and hope to have you back again Mant thank you so much man. Such a pleasure. The shows shows great love You know how how wide your topic spread. I mean screaming Jay Hawkins that was something else. Well thank you thanks. I learned about opera and electronic dance music at the same time. Now so good thanks thanks. Bye-bye follow the letter role. Podcast on twitter at let it roll. Cast and check out our website at let it roll. Podcasts DOT COM nate. We'll be back next week with Gary Giddens author of the definitive bing crosby biographies a pocketful of dreams and swinging on a star to discuss the biggest star arguably greatest pop singer of the nineteen thirties and forties and his beginnings as nineteen twenties. Jazz Hero. Let it roll as the Pentium. Podcast and you can listen to all the other. Great Pantheon podcasts at. Www DOT pantheon podcasts dot com the devil and Daniel? 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Let's Play 'Ask An Anesthesiologist'!

Elvis Duran's Daily Highlight

09:28 min | 6 months ago

Let's Play 'Ask An Anesthesiologist'!

"Let's go talk to Dr Johnston. Anesthesiologist loves the show. Hey, Dr Johnston welcome to the show. More and guys how you doing. Doing well, we're very alert if you're wondering how. I know we're. We're assuming as that as an anesthesiologist. You've been busy this entire time these months, right? Well, actually. I'll pretty much I work with in surgery. With. We're just started doing elective surgeries about three weeks ago. I've been working labor delivery. really haven't been dealing with in Kobe. Patience, but I see a lot of I'm going and yes. Well I'm glad that you said that Dr Johnston. working in the maternity area where they're actually. You're actually being part of the birthing process I. Love this actually yes. epidurals the big thing. To that point and here on the show knows that as a man I feel slighted that I'm not able to reproduce. Carry a baby, full term and pushing the baby out my baby whole okay? I know but in order to try to feel what these these women are going through I would love an epidural just to see how that rolls. It's a wonderful feeling. Dan Danielle should. One. Let me tell you when they give you an epidural. You could have an elephant than you wouldn't. Exactly that's what they say. Yes, Yup, what they say. Fantastic! So doing, are you guys ready to play the game? Dr Johnston does is just it's just it's a miracle what you can do to be able to put people in a state where they can be helped, and they can be saved, and then they come out going. Hey, what happened so? Called ask. Let's play asking an anesthesiologist Dr Joliet. Daniels a question for you Dr. Johnston go ahead Dr Johnson, I am awful with anesthesia I do terrible. Why do some people do better with anesthesia than other people? It's really a scientific thing. It's all in your head everybody gets the same amount of. Jews. it all depends on how you waking state demand. You're you wake up? like I say this really. I mean I. Tell me about the experience you've had with A. Up. And it's not good. It's not good. I signed. On in your head. They actually pay if you take a tablespoon of Mayo before you get your. Roll! Okay. Now another question for Dr Johnston as we asked an anesthesiologist. Yes, it on the Yes, a question for Dr Johnston. Go right ahead. How low Dr Johnston I wanted to know how often people, either while going under or coming out of it have confessed to something or gotten caught cheating. Just talked about something they probably wouldn't have talked about. Had They not been sedated? I've heard some stories. Yes, I've heard. Just finished especially when a baby deliver, yes. Yes exactly. I'm assuming. You can't tell us. WHO. I know when I went in for my. I actually remember a say, filthy things to someone in a room. Yes, no, no filthy, like like very very like. You know it was like a very sexy moment. Asking anesthesiologist musically, we go now to Yes, straight a question for Dr Johnston absolutely doctor. When you have someone count back from one hundred as you're putting them under. What's the lowest? That anybody's ever gotten. NUCLE- the lowest. I've heard what maybe down to ninety to ninety three John. They started learn after about seven. Yeah. Why not just have them countdown from ten if they never reached? When you Sir I've been under several times. When you say hundred, it's pretty. It's quite a daunting task. Yes, it is yes. What we always say. Star Ernie go down. Let me know if you feel it. COULD BE? There could be a freak incident where they go from ten to zero. Then they're like. Negative one. Point Dr Johnston if if the patient has negative one then you really need to turn up the juice. I'm really after yeah. Blood. I will. Tell you other stations totally. Well thank you. Doctor It's been It's been eye-opening listening to appreciate your time with us today. Alongside. Work. Well thank you Dr Johnson Ub. Safe and thank you for. People alive and healthy. We need you especially Napa Doral if you can if you can have an epidural delivery truck. Come on into the House I'm here for you. All right great hold on one second hold on one second. For those who were not pleased with our ask us an anesthesiologist. It's now time to play top or bottom. Okay! This is what it sounds. Like. So. Bottom bottom. Now. Top. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example and go around the room to see how you answer scary top bottom. The toilet paper roll it. Does it go over the topper across the bottom we? Set the rolling. Okay bottom really know that's wrong. Ripped out of ripped right online. More difficult. You gotTA. If you put the toilet paper, roll on the back on the bottom, you have to reach behind it to it. Yeah, no, it's top. You wanted to come out. All right well this the debates will all enjoy during top or bottom. Let's see Daniil. Yeah, top or bottom the t shirt of the top or the bottom of the stack it old Navy I. Don't know bottom bottom bottom bottom. Yes touched. All right. Let's see Gandhi when you go. Do washing in the washing machine? Where do you put them onto detergent on the top around the bottom? Oh bottom for Surrey, you got to put it all the way at the bottom and then put your laundry in. Your expect especially, if you if you use those things, I use those tasty looking pods. They look case. Yeah. I like to lick them a couple of times. Put them in there. Do not do that. Let's see. Music is all warped. Did you hear that? What about bunkbeds when you when you in afraid or going to sleep in bunk beds? Do you go to the top the bottom froggy? I WanNa be on the top. Okay I. Don't want anything. Falling down, on the bottom. Daniel at the grocery store and the grocery bag fruit topper bottle. Tops doesn't get smushed. Gandhi top bottom the condiment on a hamburger, top or bottom. Bottom. By. The hell is. What. Toppled. Now why do Minnow. To tell them you're reason Gandhi I'll come. Reason I'm a bottom myrtle bottom when it comes to my burger. Is simply the logistics of it I feel that the bottom bun is flatter, and it's less likely that my condiments are going to slide off eight or get weird, so it's just easier to put them on that flat bottom bond. I know there are other reasons, but that's I like him on the ball. But. When you bite into it, it's gotta be on the top, so it's and everything comes together. That's how you. Where you're wrong. First of all. I don't like you bottom shaming me secondly. If you put the condiment on the bottom your tongue on the bottom, and they'll touch the condom condiments, I from the bottom, not the top. You don't have taste buds on the roof of your mouth on the bottom and either hamburger tone unless you. Unless you. Unless. You have this weird way of eating unless you have this weird way of eating food with you. Put the food under your tongue. On your. Accent, come on, try it Daniel this weekend now. No, no, I cannot now. That's just. This weird. I'm sorry my begging you to be a bottom. What have I done? All right all right. We gotta take a break. We'll be back after this.

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Episode 310: How To Promote Your Alexa Skill With Quick Links

Paul Hickey's Data Driven Daily Tips

07:40 min | 3 months ago

Episode 310: How To Promote Your Alexa Skill With Quick Links

"What's up everybody Paul Hickey, here with your data driven daily tip today, I'm going to show you how to create a quick link for your Alexa Skill. Now much has been made of this topic recently among Alexa skilled developers. Everyone's very very very excited about it, and the reason they're excited about it is because Alexa. Skills historically have not been that easy to discover or to launch you and Bradley and Mike and Taran and Daniel. All mentioned quick links I. Think you're the perfect person asked question to what our quick links and have you used or implemented them yet. And if you haven't no no judgment here because they just came out like two weeks ago, I haven't used quick links yet but I am prepping to do. So at the next approval, we're launching something in the next week I'm watching this film the next week once that's approved in live, we do plan on using it on in our marketing. Basically, the quick link is Amazon's created this ability for you to share link that will allow someone to automatically go ahead in able that skill and either jumped straight to a task or go ahead and have your Alexa able device to just go straight to that skill. I believe it came from an announcement at Alexa live a couple of weeks ago and people just really really excited about these quick links. you know it's a way to get to Kinda help discover ability and share ability And so so anything you can share with us on the quick links each year we've got some developers that are listening right now who who have been talking about it earlier today. Yeah. You could share be off. So give the quick rundown on quick links. The base idea is that it's It's something a link basically that you can embed into your website that will allow user to. Start Your skill on one other devices. You can also do it like a notification. So maybe the user clicks out there like I want to do this later or maybe they're not home right they can do as the notification and when they get home, they're going to have that yellow ring glowing on their device and they can say what are my notifications and it's going to be like Oh you have a quick link do you want open it and if you say, yes, then boom it kicks you right into the skill the same way. So it's a way to kind of like open a skill later and so Amazon has. Released the quick links feature to make it easier for developers and businesses essentially market and bring awareness to their Alexa skill. Now, this is what a quick link looks like This is a quick link I created for a skill that I built called Carmen Johnston Gardens. Alexa Launch Carmen Johnston Gardens is one way of enabling skill. Now, this quick link up here I created and it Allows me to essentially use this link I can embed it in an email signature in email blast the social media posts wherever I want, and then when the user is logged into their Amazon Alexa Account, they will see the screen either on their mobile device or on their desktop device. When they click this link, the other cool thing about it is you can send a notification to your Alexa device and I'm GonNa try this right. Now I'm going to click send the notification and then I'm going to go ahead and actually show you what this looks like on my screen On. My Alexa enabled. You can see here. I got a notification on both of my devices. seats. As earlier you wanted to try the skill, Carmen, Johnston Gardens, and then you see this yellow ribbon over here on my device. On the one without a screen, the old echo dot there. That's pretty cool and then you can see chickeny any of your Alexa devices for notification. When you see a yellow ring to say Alexa, what's my notification near your device? WanNa try it now to say Alexa launch are open Carmen Johnston Gardens to show you how to make the quick link. Super Easy. All you do is basically take this. Lake grade here. This is the quick links syntax. And you copy the syntax. And then you replace. Can pasted into a browser window. And then you go into your Alexa developer console over here. And In Your Alexa developer console, you can get the skill ID. So. If I wanted to do one for wealthy nutrition I can copy the skill I D-. I can replace it. And I can copy this. Url. Pasted over into a new browser window. Again, as a marketer, I can put the Senate social media posts that can put this. In an email marketing blast however, I wanNA promote my skill. and. It'll populate the same thing for the wealthy nutrition skill in this case. And you'll see that. You can try it now by putting it on the third ECHO DOT in my case or on the echo show. Let me just go ahead. I I did send a notification earlier. Let me just go ahead and. Do It on the show right now. Ready to try the steal graph nutrition. Yes. Here's the skill wealthy nutrition launched on the web or mobile divides. Wealthy nutrition. Are you currently taking any wealthy products if you are say current products if not seen learn more. Learn more. Would you like us to tell you more about wealthy or take a quiz to find out the best products for you? Alexa. What am I noticed? One new notification from Alexis skills earlier you said, you wanted to try the skill Carmen Johnston Gardens. Ready to try now. Yes. Hi, I'm Carmen I'd love to help garden and entertain get started by saying home and garden holidays. Recipes, or follower favorites. So, that works like a charm and you can see how that makes things a lot easier for skill developers in businesses in marketers to bring awareness to their Alexa skill drive more adoption. This is a game changer. I hope this really helps you guys Prima Voice Design and development and marketing standpoint integrating voice apps into your overall digital presence. My Name's Paul Hickey on the CEO of data driven designed to get in touch with me email me at. Paul. At data driven dot design this has been your data driven daily tip how to create an Alexa quick link for your Alexa Skill. Thanks and have a great day.

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WWE Composer Jim Johnston - SAS CLASSIC

The Steve Austin Show - Unleashed!

1:02:01 hr | 1 year ago

WWE Composer Jim Johnston - SAS CLASSIC

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production available on Apple podcasts and podcast one all right let's get big tobacco for all sponsor of the Steve Austin show geiko dot com and in fifteen minutes you'd be saving fifteen percent of mole karn cherish that's right save hundreds of dollars on car insurance at Geiko cast featuring Steve Austin defeating Ron Vegas that is vinnie Vegas is cousin Ron Vegas then we jumped at a WF Steve Austin Shawn Michaels Bret Hart re Talking Undertaker DX and Stephen Jim do talk about some stories match this was Steve Austin's first match in over two months since losing the title at Summer Slam Nine Hundred Ninety nine in this match the rock interfered and accidentally classic episode of the Steve Austin show it is producer Sean bring you an episode from way back number eighty five with four Steve Austin with a sledgehammer causing to lose and after the match Steve Austin chased triple h backstage where he escaped in a vehicle thanks to China then we stick around it's a Steve Austin and Brian Perelman defeating Shane. Douglas and Brad Armstrong yeah because Ricky steamboat was in the semi made event tagging is behind those songs and kind of how some of those things came to be some of the little tidbits that you may not have known about how those songs were created really there was a main event that was supposed to feature Ricky steamboat Scott Steiner and a mystery partner versus Arn Anderson Bobby Eaton Steve Austin and that did not take place as advertised that sounds kind of lake it was set up when the dangerous alliance was still around but apparently former WWe composer Jim Johnston original air date January twenty eight th two thousand fourteen a name you may not recognize what the Bat Cleveland in two thousand at a wf raw taping I think he might be one of our I if not one of the few two thousand instances that we oh you definitely know his work he's created some of the classic tunes that you guys know from your favorite Deby's superstars we're talking struggle behind the scenes so this is a really cool episode thing you guys are GonNa dig it this man is definitely somebody you should know about and we're going to be doing it up on this classic episode today town in Texas worked as it off to become one of the most famous wrestlers of all time we're going to take care of business tonight and that's the thanks for listening and we will come right back with Jim Johnston on a classic episode of Steve Austin Show I've had here since we've been doing Steve Fossett history but this saw Chris Jericho and the tag team Champions Matt and Jeff Hardy of Fighting X. 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Let me run this down a lot to get to here but here we go visit man comes out on stage talk about even enter for a chance to win tickets to the Twenty Twenty College Football Playoff National Championship to be the first in your family earn a football watching certificate from a beer school we had to then of course later and show our boys Steve Austin showed up at a pickup truck and drove it into the arena demanding that Vincent man come to the ring to address this Jim Rome that's Napa know how participating auto part stores while supplies last minimum three items exclusions apply offer instant thirty one nineteen college football fans eight brush up on your football knowledge then enroll in the dose Akis College Football Football College where you'll learn from brilliant football minds right around Wrestlemainia one an interesting time because they're they're really wasn't music in the show for say view TV champion stunning Steve Austin fought Dustin Rhodes to a draw then we go to one thousand nine hundred ninety two in Saint Paul Minnesota we should attacked he match of the Hollywood blonde which was the case for me when I walked in well I walked into because I I made Sushi Fan back then Sushi was not nearly as popular as it is now so there was one Sushi bar in town and it was like hanging out some little local bar so you you would yet known and that create a real and you know creep do do anything but driven by the passion of you just want to write music enrolling Dose Akis College Football Football College at Dose Akis Dot Com Slash Edu does equities keep it interest Onta- does beer autosomal and now he's dominating the world of on demand audio and he's doing it for the working man this is a good outlook beautiful Oh shit off my brain this is Steve Austin on the League is lead to another class Steve Austin show every week we are bringing navy's big fall sale get thousands of styles from despite bucks all your favorites are on sale now layer up with five dollars and ten dollar long-sleeve fees for along musically and I think Steve speculate you you're the same that music about emotion and feeling right and so I could always is TV VH1 right prior to this yeah doing all sorts of the things you do it at the beginning of a career when you're trying to do whatever you can to uh awash should you buy at ninety nine cent NAPA bag because it's no ordinary bag can save you twenty percent on three or more items you can fit inside some call that magic see the same eight people there every time you went I've befriended this one guy who turned out to be Vince is park director at the time and this you know and then the crowd and then relationship between you and the crowd and I think the music is is when it's working correctly and well that liked it Vincent I met tonight the hit it off immediately and we just started doing different things and twenty five hundred songs Jim at the data I had was two thousand four hundred eighty four songs whether it was either bumpers front ends back ends or just in general you know it was coming off all the years where it was a lot of different territories different different groups around the country Rian and Ventas dat up in the in this area and it was basically two guys walked out to the ring and mainstream artists and they come out with a new album of twelve songs every year and a half or two years and you know here he's and Russell wrestling was extremely hot Hulkamania was going on so when you walk into the into the company I mean what was atmosphere because you've been working for like empty in your your off until next season it's fifty two weeks it's live I wanted to ask you about the creative process but before we go there you know he was composer and and one night came in and said wow my boss asked me to do this tape for the nappy convention Hit it off right off the Bat I'm a big music fan obviously you've been doing this for a long time you've been in W. 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Nineteen eighty-five yeah the glue that makes it really exciting because it's the music became to your character but it's also getting everyone just fired up and brand's enjoyed those accused responsibly imported by Survey Saas Khanna's White Plains New York copyright two thousand nineteen two seconds beer brands no purchase necessary fifty us slash then closest to what he wanted when I could feel what he was feeling appeal what he wanted to feel when a guy came into the ring and I think that's The nappy convention for your listeners is all the cable TV operators and and providers get together and talk about projects and feeling that moment and and that's that's my main goal in in every case now when I looked there was a y'all had what listed almost just world they get cranked out you know in a month it's a factory well also remember other than the couple of them are you know have been protected as wild rivers tremendous fishing What did you stacy's on onto leauge Jim let's talk a little bit about this because I remember when I walked in the door in Arkansas and beautiful areas flat flatlands with farmland five incredible rivers neat in this area and he he got here on borrowed money from his dad so he had found this beautiful little area but he could barely afford a job in New York City and so we came up and we lived in White Plains New York for a while and then you know what you were saying earlier it's a lot a lot of music yes it's a lot of music it's a day it's surprising but it's also I think about most their business and walked out a little pause next two guys walked out who told me about when you first walked into doors over there because obstable going to different landscape but obviously that was the mid eighty there's an outdoorsman fishing Hutton not hunting so much a little bird hunting early on but I haven't done it in years but and I when we when we moved here my we rented a house for a year in White Plains and my dad found a lot over in in Greenwich so what would that number be correct the Sanjiv written since you've been there I think it's a lot more than that because what I'm saying it's a it's a lot you grow up did you grow up right there in that area now my family's from poke on this Arkansas tiny little town won't you remark and so yeah northeast the amount and up but I grew up learning to fly fish on the rivers down there for small mouth Bass so how did you end up over in Connecticut area my dad got it to do his first presentation there needed a video so he asked Brian to put something together? Brian knew how to do the video part did know about the music and asked me to contribute venture the music completely self taught music lessons school I played trumpet in the School Band and took a couple of piano lesson the nation I think that's an important part of development and I certainly was fortunate enough to be brought up that way and I think that had varying I always loved Music Ah my grandmother on my Dad's side actually was very talented musician who of all things had gone to juilliard to study opera and lots in Greenwich with in what turned out to be this private area for eleven thousand dollars and he couldn't he couldn't do it you could you could barely afford uh-huh that hated it so much and finally convinced my mom to let me stop but I would When the Beatles came out I'd have this really horrible little I just was fascinated by how it went together and the melodies and everything so finally I got my dad to rent the car because it wasn't sure I was really serious and but you know it was a different time and I think it's something I feel bad about for kids these days because it was kids I see everything is it's a it's a multi purpose thing taking your tune before you come out it's got a pump you up and get you in the right place it's hard for me to get out of this place but I'm an avid life and I just love saltwater or my favorite is from classic trout fishing news we're like the only business out there that fifty two weeks a year and you know you know never stop there there is no you know you shoot twenty three weeks and then very the speed from forty five thirty I get my favorite records like the basically I learned on the Beatles intro a piece of music at him or he would just call me up and say hey you know did you write something for in described the character I think you're about Oh Wow you're living branch Greenwich I mean so beautiful place to live it's a really nice town but it isn't like everyone who lives there wealthy tinker around on but I just was fascinated I've listened to the music that they would play on records and I didn't necessarily like it don books on my desk and that's the way I learned and then when Paul McCartney he you know three or four hours for a musical guy and you started started taking piano classes what got you started on his gym or I love sports science fiction to me but the like the scoring the movies which is really my favorite things oh I'm sure it's well you're you're older listeners will remember little crappy Fono player that with like a little suitcase and and you know it just the speaker was in the little box just horrible but it was great because it had you could I'm guessing you you do know how to read and write music now correct I can read it but it's literally I can read it I'm like at piano the one right but I'd like to have that be good so growing up as a kid wherever you always musically inclined did did you get in any sports I just like much still the way I work today do not on all these tracks I play the almost all the instruments myself just the singers that I didn't dramatic as I needed it you know I would need to play I needed a flute part so I would you know either borrow or eventually found a way to buy it yes about it or rented guitar for three three or six months or something and I just practiced and literally until my fingers bled you taught yourself to play dot com extra money in your pocket it may just be the most rewarding thing you do today only podcast one dot com production he started in a small in started playing piano George Martin was really playing the piano most of the time at that point and I've I couldn't get enough pano and I just sit there and learn all the piano take my files and right out of all all the parts of the musicians no fortunately you get a lot of help from computers these days that the parts I played signed where he just go out into the woods with your friends and you create a fork attack there and and you've gotta make up all your all your your fun is coming out of your own arts as well so ended up teaching yourself out of play the piano more so than the lessons everything and then when I got in the actual business I would learn each new the markings that tell the players exactly how you not just the note but house you want that note played it's a pretty laborious process but I just yeah flute and and I'd learned to play that one part and so I just kept up different instruments along the way and and that's pretty basically translate that into into not only he gets a file with all the notes in the right places and he just has to clean it all up make sure activated unsound like you could read or write music but you could play it and you had a good ear to learn it and teach it to yourself but now with so many years into the business I haven't screwed up and then as all the dynamics for the orchestra players like a Crescendo Okay and you know I trump bones should be get their records I would slow them down I I would learn teach myself guitar parts and then the bass parts and didn't have drums but I would learn the drum parts just into the computer I can then spit out what's called a midi file or a rough score so that the guy knows what I'm talking about but does listen to it the bill the House and buy the lot in this elderly man who was retiring offered him at the time this a long time ago of course but still eleven can you give me a piece of piano music I can't just sit down the panel and play it that's interesting to me all the stuff that you've written I mean that's incredible it's still and and then put the ended up back in polk honest is because women didn't make the decisions back then my dad had an organ in the House and that he would you do I live my favorite is orchestra music it that's when it comes into play and that's when I have to get help and so for all those movies I had a manuscript guy who and their their time is so planned you know I mean and it's it's it's well intended parents want them to do well and be exposed to a lot of stuff but they don't get a lot of created really really biggs year and and you know okay we want the strings really quiet here so in in orchestra manuscripts they're all these ooh so fascinated by I love it I was reading I just figured okay may maybe Jim grew up in a man and he was playing all these concert it's concerts as a kid and you've stated in your past interviews that you had stage fright and he didn't really care too much for live audiences day I'm nervous playing the song they can make stuff that catchy in that successful when there's really no foundation back in there but at the same time I'm I'm a little bit of a purist in that you know I mean I guess I would argue take your seen as an example I think it sounds really cool when you come out in the arena but I I think it sounds really cool when I play it by myself on an acoustic guitar sounds like a great little group so that's what I try to do at the end of the day if a piece of music is good even if you're going to cover it in a style that is blazingly hard to be a good wrong you should be able to play it on an acoustic guitar or on a piano and it should still make sense it should still hold up as a song right and if sure and that's me or you're incredibly flamboyant and I think that's what happens when we read in the entertainment news and they either cover it up or not covered up they either deal with it by being these streams you're either incredibly shy and the rock stuff rile metal whereas like cookie monster were because there's no melody there there's no I always feel that credible worker very flamboyant but then in their private lives they seem really weird they're they're almost reclusive and I think that's the I have a gift for writing you know really simple but really catchy stuff no doubt Gwen Stafani I don't you know these are just unfortunately a lot of stuff these days is it's all about the production and if you took away that production you don't have you're not out you know someone who's a big movie star and and you know they do these things on screen or Broadway or that's just incredible and people who write traditional great songs and melodies I love but you know like a black eye peas then it could be a rock song you could do a hip hop version of it you could do an Rv version you could do a girl valid varying of it you could do a country version of it grown a thicker skin relative to have to to survive but at the same time if I play something for someone they don't like it it's a very personal thing when I write is is to have everything start with a good foundation or a really good roof and then you can take it anywhere once you have that when all over the map sti you know I I I really love great writers things Taylor sting right so it's hard to separate to Minnesota interesting so I know you listed some Beatles you you're learning guitar but what else it it's not like saying I don't like that piece of music it's like I don't like you right because if you like that piece of music then you don't like what I'm feeling inside the dynamic at work is that they're actually really insecure I guess what you do is such a personal thing popping into my head you know it's I I'm fascinated by anyone's music really the the only stuff that I don't like screaming too much I don't like left much of a competition and I'm not I'm not just saying the people in production because a lot of the productions are fabulous and it's and it's a testament the go-to bands that you really dug back then along with Jimi Hendrix I just studied his guitar work endlessly Loved led Zeppelin it I came to you way back in day and we were talking a little bit about my music and I brought you bulls on parade by rage against machine I said hey man I kinda dig this and that's all I said and then you went into the cave and you did what you did and you created that salt that salt is probably my opinion of course I'm very close to this stone call Steve Alston probably the greatest of it but that the way that music started instantaneously and I came right out of the curtains at that same instant it just made for some tremendous the worst day of my life Suzanne S. broke Mr I was ready to go out Dan whip somebody's ass I was always in the mood when my music is interesting ever written glass breaking the sirens coming in on the back end just the beat that says power and when glass broke I could be having so you know it's it's because the guts are the bones are there and you're just Deciding what Santa clause put on Kit and the thing about it is I got so many great pops and of course it's a testament to the great storylines yeah angles the machine was pushing me the persona that I was and I was doing my end one second an interesting thing that happens over the years is my writing these teams is a little bit like a dance and you gotTa have a dams Parker you're a great dancer you get the The green light hey don't go Steve Ralston needs a theme song you and I talk for thirty seconds so what was the creative process why the glass break insult angry you know just something is just like just just founded angry and as I've mentioned before yeah that's exactly what it is it's Oh my God what is the sound that would get everyone's attention and there is entrances all across the world and people really dig yourself let's talk about the creative process behind the stone they music well okay but I'm an interrupt you here conduit and the faith issue is that I've gotta sit there with a guitar it's like a deal I gotta sit there with guitar and keep playing until something shows the last break came after the the music because I knew it just needed something that was like Oh my God Eddie man once you came out the combination of you in that music was like didn't just was magic because it was like there's GonNa be trouble there's because you were there and it it it's great and I'm thrilled a great compliment that it it helped get you ready but once you and explosion and a car crash but because of all the high frequency energy of the glass it mainly sounds like no way to read it except that there's a problem you know it is it's like you can't possibly read it like Oh glass broken no no it's like there's a he in other interviews are articles that to me the whole creative process is is I'm a pretty spiritual guy so it's like a faith issue I feel like I'm I don't know what the problems are going to be there's going to be a problem but there's started with that song though Ju just as far as me making my entrance and of course you know after the song is born glass but it sounds like a horrific of less doing in writing your gene I just knew I had this school around Intel something her because you can you can go with the theme and you make it it's like the the music is a fused but you came out and made the thing explode then it goes over to the gas and the video and I make your entrance real which they display on a big titan tron which only ups the ante about ten times and really totally feeds into that uh I'll have the faith keep sitting there and keep playing something will show up and it will be the right thing and so I'm just screwed ah harsh just right on the V. things back over it right on the beat I was about to go out there and whips a mass and everybody that was in that arena knew I was going to do that but the the rhythm Matt Song was just perfect and I matched it stride for stride as is around and then suddenly I start doing this and yet down on Tom and I said okay that's cool laggard down to the ring to do my business so when you saw a little bit about me course had come in as a ringmaster ad in workout so great and we come up with the stone cold gimmick and then that made the syncopation of the main petar group had a bounce around and made it seem suddenly it felt from start to finish Jim how long would you guess it took to create my thing music oh I in actual time eight hours oh Jeez the machine but just a creation from it I mean and and I hit my bff stride my b. m. f. law because I walked to the ring I was sending out a message to that guy nery that's right and and usually you get to a point where you know it's right it's just GonNa lay that down in layers and record those later it's really Kinda screwy like all hell's breaking loose and you know it's like literally Steve It's a strange process you keep trying stuff until you go like okay I think what really gives that hop to his the I always try to give a like a it sounds like a rock song that there's like a at that point I have a much clearer idea of what the drums should be so I go back and play the drums again and now with that new tighter drum groove then I'll go back and numbers was doing some vignettes and stuff you and so those probably along with the music I went to our executive producer Kevin Dunn. Rabbi I or I can't remember that presentation went down what was his thoughts on it I probably didn't even presented because at that time you know Christian inch problem and also needed a huge break so I couldn't find good glass breaks so it it's the sound of the combination of two glass break and you know from their US playing it for Vince and and generally no news is good news so I heard there's an income and then bring it back to play that to hear the totality of am I correct yes and because I'm doing it by myself it generally like a huge circle was really having a nice resurgence there were a lot of great young groups around and it just seemed like a great idea we wanted to try to go out reach out to these groups our part yeah mask and on my theme song I played a lead like sort of a guitar solo thing and then so that but when I did that and started recording I knew it was the right direction but it didn't come together until I started that Oh and rerecord all the Qatar base and sometimes I've got to do you know for round trips in that process before it's right disturbed I think we got them into a studio while they were out on tour so yeah I mean I talked to the guys and and give them the basics away down a a a basic drum beat and then the basic guitars and Bass Guitar and then once those are done I generally jim what is your involvement on that process because you wrote the original Song Okay who decides it's time to Redo this and and a little bit and I wanted to screw it up even more so about every couple of measures I would cut up the solar part and reverse it so kind of goes back and forth between regular oh you're trying to take that over to become a rock song and it's a little more challenging but and I thought the match up of you and disturbed was pretty straightforward direction I you know but you don't need a whole lot of direction in your case because the music's crystal clear and your characters crystal clear the only time it it gets perfect because it was like out of control like what we're is straight ahead or is it syncopated I don't know and and then goes into this or that section and just try to put together a project of some popular young groups redoing our top superstar thing showing those guys going into record that though are you there l. about yeah it's just a you know what I remember now if they reversed electric guitar parts are you kidding me always thought it was a siren it's a reverse guitar are you giving them directions in Gaza it we gotta do this on some of my was not with disturbed rob was saliva and a few others but it can help make things better for the show and you as listener it's GonNa podcast one dot com slash survey and everything we'll be right there for you as podcast one dot com slash sir. I think there's a guitar that sounds like a siren is that what it is always not as like a siren I think that's inserted that fee fiction the chaotic verse now I Love My theme song I don't think anybody could not a better job on it went when disturbed came in and Kinda did a remix of that I see is when you're you're starting out maybe with the theme that is not already a rock song maybe at some other genre or like hybrids purposeful thing and and all of a sudden it was disturbed on that what what was your end on that well if we just had an idea that it would be interesting and fun because right at that time there were for being a dedicated listener and that's the bottom line this is Steve Austin I'm wondering if you wrote this sling vans listen up wwe hall of Famer and one of the greatest to ever step between the robes jerry the king lawler I don't think we'd have it any other way joined the king and his US cater to needs of view as listener so again visit podcast one dot com slash survey answer questions and potentially make some money along the way thank you taught like a week or something that's pretty damn fast it when it takes too long and you're probably on the wrong road only take a few minutes and if you're one of the first people do it podcast one we'll make it worth your time literally we need you to complete short survey because information you give us you'll never find another like me with a capital one saver card you in four percent cashback on dining and entertainment I well that's an interesting thought I've been on the wrong road a lot of things so when you play this for me I I'd I'd Doug it right off the bat when when you played it by Vince did you give him the that's four percent cashback on milkshakes extra with crew and four percents get extra loud at this show the capital one saver card return four percent on dining and for percents and entertainment once in your Wallet Hey guys it's Taylor you can buy my new album lover a Taylor swift dot com terms apply bait I two hundred and fifty people who complete the survey we'll get a ten dollar gift card to Amazon Dot Com and two Grand Prize winners will be selected at random honk element to that so the so the I just felt like this needed time to breathe before and it would make it that much better when you finally pay it off right so co host Sean reading as they get together to reflect on Jerry's legendary career from Memphis to the wwe to just about everywhere else amass you one question who's the greatest you can't get away from folk music this is a funk track that's just turned into a hard rock track but working Christmas and he's just Sir thank you could tell me what zoo Jim I know that she buddy Chris Warren land down the vocals turn the world down the new episodes of Jerry lawler show every Friday on apple podcasts and podcast one and if you love the show tell your friends and leave a rating and review incredible so just started thinking like okay rebellious things to say and you know that you know you're not GonNa hold me back and we ask hey talk to me about desire a little bit offset that comes in there which I think what you tell me your thoughts on desire on I don't think there's a siren in there life why is that you know I I'm pretty much a believer that artists are inherently insecure together and mixing the song I just kind of took the highlights and created a little story line up front and and you know fortunately sounds like it was cut the it's a great guy and he's always a sport to try anything so we got the basic track down and yes I felt like I wanted it pat this incredible array of lines and then after he left when I was editing the holes was the perfect theme song and I was reading that you kind of wanted something that kind of tease the people into this rather than just hit him over the head with a hammer so tell me about that would you think that you better give ready have a big piece I didn't I didn't know if I could sell it because most of the time you know it's glass break boom you know under advocation but this didn't know what to do so I set up this drum loop just well what you hear basically you know boo boo and put the house is a mess get a one hundred dollars Amazon gift card here that that's free money it's a win win. Our shows was supported by advertisers so filling this out really help the creative process that went into the theme song for degeneration necks it will looping back to the comment earlier about I'm sort of Up and I want you to repeat it in your you know in that great voice hours and raped go screw yourself and nine voice in front of the Mike and then I got on the other side of the Mike Upside of the Mike with this set of headphones and I just told Chris I don't care what I say I'm just GonNa say and a great combination of talent there that that that did the stuff in an shenanigans that they were doing and they were on fire Mac and we just went through all these things of you can't tell me what to do and he would say you can't tell me what do you think your better you think you one bank USA NA man thanks listed Steve I'll show for all these years I really appreciate that we like to ask the small the very important favor of you going to talk about it ready thinking what's what's the only food you one single take so but that was so fun to do and that's such a fun song a really fun song and of course you know once you hear the song the song I wrote that what he couldn't get w about this song because degeneration actually was was entrance real issue is just only spectacular and I you know I was watching you know as I was going through all the stuff on Youtube and stuff up and listening to the but all the memories of the visuals that though those guys provided in the guys over there and I'll call it the video department hoop and all the footage together and just make sure that Oh care of the mid Atlantic Inc benefits and bundling programs may not be available in all states or for all group sizes and minimum participation requirements may apply for costs and complete details contact united healthcare. I love motown anything out of Motown when I was growing up and that was another thing that I would just dissect every single part that is pretty wild and then it has those those those guitar riffs and is just when

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Chris Johnston, Kurt Overhardt

"Hey Greg I'm speaking to you through my officially licensed H. L. Facemask for us off. Yeah this is my official. Nhl Face masks and wearing. I got one before July. Well it's weird we're facetime and just looks like your hand over your face which doesn't go with CDC recommendations. But I liked the bit. Let's keep going. Jesus couvert nineteen rooms comedy to the NHL has decided it's going to sell licensed cloth face coverings featuring also logos wigged out about it and then they found out. Oh my goodness it's for charity. A proceeds go to feeding America. Food Banks Canada Cova Nineteen Response Fund. But here's the thing. This is just kind of like putting it out in the world that we're going to have to wear face masks and we watch hockey this fall right like this is. This is kind of the when I saw these. I'm like great charity. Oh great when you go to the supermarket you can represent your team but also we are being conditioned to understand that you're going to be wearing a face mask when you go watch game this fall that's the takeaway. I got it from. A to look. Nhl's not the only league doing this the NBA and the WNBA or to put theirs out fanatics one for the NFL but yeah for the NHL. It's just good business. If you do this it's good branding and it also like you said gets fans prepared for next. What's next is definitely different than the reality we're used to and again if if nothing else you have to give the NHL Credit for creating something that people will like to wear for. You know being forward thinking and knowing that. Hey we're going to have to figure out something. We go back to games but also giving the world a chance to make jokes like don't wear the red wings won because everything gets through it. I mean it's fair to put those things into the world of his point. Creating joy in mediums really the NHL's forte coming up on the show today. A good one. Our old friend Chris. Johnston joins us from sports. Talk about the latest in the NHL Restart plans and also a bit about the big news at Chicago. Blackhawks making a change the top the tippy top and then Kirk over heart H. agent comes on to discuss the exception player idea that he put out in the world this week in which we can finally start paying. Nhl Stars the money that their peers and other sports get through a special exception against the salary cap. It's a really fascinating conversation all that much more on this edition of ESPN it is. Let's start the show proper shall we earier pods a podcast about talkie featuring things to do with hockey from your friends at ESPN ESPN on ice with Shitski and Kaplan espn an ice the podcast for ESPN talks about hockey? I'm regulations senior NHL Writer. I'm Emily Kaplan and on this day of Quarantine Greg. I woke up and made myself a smoothie and instead of turmeric I put Cayenne in it by accident. Ooh That was nasty gulp. But I bet you're weak and this day in quarantine. I woke up at six o'clock because I thought I had a radio hit at six thirty but it turned out it was at seven thirty but luckily. I'm all caffeine up so everything's cool so the news that that's kind of come out since our Monday morning. Cova one thousand nine hundred roundup is the idea that there's serious discussions inside the NHL about the season potentially starting as late as December. Now to me. What I heard this. It only spoke to one thing. Which is I think as we get deeper into this process and trying to figure out the summer restart and doing these hubs of teams and all this other stuff. The REAL FOCUS. I think is going to be on next season already. You've heard we're not GONNA do this summer. That are going to dramatically affect our ability to play eighty two games next season. That's been on the record for weeks but I think the more you hear people for example. Tom Doesn't under the Carolina Hurricanes being one talk about the necessity of having fans back in the building. If we'RE GONNA play Games in twenty twenty twenty twenty one. The more it starts making sense that you're going to push the start of that season as far as you possibly can to try to make it a situation where fans are comfortable coming back in even in a limited capacity to start buying hotdogs and Burien. Nhl Throughout all of this has been consulting infectious disease experts and government experts. And I love the word expert because it just proves that you're an expert but they're on top of this and all that we've been hearing from these experts long as prepared for the second wave. It's going to happen especially as we see here in the. Us government start to open. It makes us far more susceptible to it. The second wave is supposed to happen sometime in the fall right when NHL teams tend to convene for training camps and began the regular season. So it's not preposterous to start hearing these ideas. Well well maybe we started December. Maybe we don't start on time. I do think we're going to be looking at different reality next season. You know Gary Bettman came out initially like you said and said we're not going to do anything that will compromise the integrity of next season. But let's face it. That's almost impossible at this. Point and next season is going to look different no matter which way you it whether it's less fans in the crowd no fans in the crowd starting November starting in December and I also think the schedule in certain tentpole events like the All Star game by weeks the Christmas break. Those aren't going to be what they used they usually are. They do feel for someone like the Florida. Panthers was supposed to host the All Star game this year. Supposed to be a celebration of all things Florida. I know they're still in regular talks with the NHL about planning but you have to wonder. Could that event go on like? Is that reasonable at this point? Yeah especially when it's just to bring people together whether it's fans or sponsors or whatever and then you start thinking about things like the winter classic in Minnesota Easter thinking about things like the outdoor game in Raleigh and whether it's whether it's even advantageous to try to stage those things when you're doing them because you can put fifty thousand people in a place to watch a hockey game like that's why you do it. It's a cash cow right and had them all by the gear and stuff. We'll see how everything plays out there. The sports around the world are starting to rumble and tumble towards potential. Restarts wrote about a Monday. What's happening in Lalita? In Spain for soccer they're not the only league trying to make a comeback and soccer in Europe the MBA made news in looking at ways to potentially have players start working out together and training together in different cities around the country is funny like it seems like the impetus of that is half the league threatening to fly to Atlanta to start working out gyms because Georgia was opening up a this week so quickly out about it. Yeah right and the Hawks are like yeah we we can have some people come but not everybody so the NBA had to kind of react to that where we are on on campus and players training it does seem like some states are starting to open up and others aren't. Is there any way to do this? In a consistent way where say if you are a member of the San Jose Sharks here in Santa Clara County where I live and your shelter in place in through the end of May You are in a dramatically different situation than say a member of the Dallas Stars in Texas which is certainly starting to open up an increased significantly. Yeah I e Mail Bill Deli about this over the weekend won the NBA. News came out and they said. Are you guys going to do something similar? And he essentially said were begun to explore the options. No decision yet but we're recording this on Wednesday. It's April twenty ninth. Th on Thursday is when the NHL's current isolation period ends and the NHL is GonNa have to send a new directive to. Its Kaba Pires of what they do so. I do expect a decision pretty soon. I do think they want to start moving into stage to their in state one now which is isolation stage two is starting to gather together together in small groups and. I think they're not really looking at this as like a competitive disadvantage for some areas and not other areas. They just want players to start getting into that stage so they could possibly progress to age. Three I would not be shocked at facilities start open but I also wouldn't be shocked at the NHL DOT says. Let's hold back. Let's wait to see what the NBA does and how it goes for them the NBA now is extended their opening. The facility is still made because let's face it. They've kind of followed the NBA's lead on a lot of this so far including shutting down their season a day after the NBA did very true although swears that they don't need the NBA's lead to establish the things that they do but I think being that they're both arena sports. They're they're tied together. Finally Competition Committee type situation going on in the NHL. We learned this week that the NHL in the NHL. Pa are getting together. And there's a panel of players including comic David. Johnson Varis Ron Haines E and James James. Who are involved in this committee to To help work with the League to figure out a way back and and that's good and I'm very happy again to see connor involved. The stuff I've Long said. Connor mcdavid is much more engaged on these league issues than any young superstar player. I've covered in the last fifteen years and it's cool to see him a part of this too but again the thing I like about this is it's a reminder hopefully that whatever the NHL decides to do when restarting this league. It's going to take the input of the players. And the impose the endorsement of the players for it to happen. Which brings us to our last topic. Emily which is players weren't exactly happy with the idea being ripped away from their families for months on end. Are they know Filipino of the Montreal? Canadians brought this up yesterday on Tuesday and that started to get a bunch of reaction. And if you listen to Dr Out. She's latest directives on reopening sports. He gave a great interview with The New York Times. He pretty much said everyone needs to be committed to this. Everyone needs to commit to the fact that they will be isolated. They'll be living in a bubble and the NHL hasn't quite figured out yet who gets to live. In that bubble will families be there will players spout kids be there will have to be alone and I do think that's going to be a major talking point so I'm glad that they do have players input because they will be talking about these things. I know there's an argument that these are millionaires. They need to make sacrifice that said all this. They're not the window. It's a pandemic. We got people feel comfortable and feel safe and feel you know. I hope that everyone considers that a lot of these players have family lives that they have to consider like I think players with wives or kids that have compromised immune systems are battling health issues. And of course that's first and foremost on their mind and of course it should be and I know the. Nhl is going to be sensitive to that. But I think this illustrates are so many more details that need to be figured out besides. Hey let's go to the four hub cities in play and finish the season and recoup five hundred million and at one point two billion dollars. We'RE GONNA lose all right. Let's talk to our old friend. Chris Johnston about more of these topics and other stuff. Because he's a good guy to talk to and now joining us on. The line is senior hockey reporter at Sports Net. But a good friend of us and a good friend of ESPN and ice. It's Chris Johnston Chris. We have to begin by asking. What are the last couple of days and weeks? Look like in your life. I would imagine. They're they're like most people you know. My wife and I live in a pretty small apartment in downtown Toronto. So it's been about negotiating that You know shared workspace and all that type of stuff. But watch the far more netflix than I normally would certainly at this time of year especially and just tried to follow the rules and hope for better days ahead but Really can't complain. And obviously I'm very fortunate that My job so far has not been impacted and everyone that I care about is is healthy. So we're just hoping that everyone can come through this together. Well said not to derail this with one of my pop culture whims but what are you watching Netflix. Cj I'm so predictable. Like honestly. I I it. It has to be about sports or. I'm not interested so I rip through the F one series. I ripped through central until I die like the rest of the free world. I'm watching the Michael Jordan documentary. That comes out here I still bad like I have almost no interest in anything else and I realized that that's a terrible way to view the world but but I do Miss Sports. I'm a huge sports fan in addition to covering the NHL for living so You know if there's any ten gentle sports related documentary or movie that you can recommend I'm all ears for. Yeah we've we've been. We've been high on using sports. Docs ESPECI- especially like if you've got the thirty for thirty archive on ESPN plus or whatever to fill that void all right. I'm glad to know I'm glad you mentioned the big C word because I feel like we've joke last time that you are a senior candidate correspondent on this podcast but you kinda are and you have texted a little bit about this. But I'd love to open up this discussion to the podcast you know we talking about the NHL wanting to restart and for Greg. Annihilate of it comes through the Lens of American politics in American government. And I would just love to know what you see. Is the perspective and Canada right now and you know you and I talked to the biggest hurdle. It sounds so simple but it's not as the Canada. Us border opening. Like what are people in Canada saying about that? And and what did they think? Well it certainly seemed like the political discussion in the country's has been different on this. I mean actually just now the last couple of days we've had some of the premium at run the provinces start to maybe talk a little bit about what opening up might look like but but certainly it's nowhere near as advanced or specific or Forthright is is what I've seen with some of the governors in the US and you know obviously Donald Trump is was encouraging them to to to do some things that we just haven't really reached that level of conversation here And painting I think it just seems as though we're we're maybe a little bit more conservative about it or unsure about what's to come you know I don't know what to Marco's differences down to. I mean the one difference that I do think though alternately when it comes to decision with the NHL is that hockey also you occupies a pretty unique spotting our general culture and in our country. You know we've got it on the five dollar. Bill is hockey depicted on it. you know. I it will be interesting to see how the government you know treat specifically what the NHL wants to do because You know I would almost say. It's not just another sport here. And other sports league or not viewed exclusively as a business so it might be two competing theories but certainly at least to this point is. We're talking yeah we. We really haven't seen any specific plans for when we're should be leaving houses again or one restaurants might open or Tattoo Parlors and Georgia or whatever I mean. We're not having any of that kind of discussion that I've seen publicly up here in Canada. Now the focus has shifted to these regional hubs and having games there and I know the Toronto is being mentioned as a possibility and they've said they're exploring it like I can't wrap my head around US returning to Toronto at some point this summer. That huge city. Like you live in Toronto. Can you imagine it? Does that seem feasible right now? The only reason it seems feasible. I guess 'cause leaves have been so open and their desire to see it happen but you know for the reasons you're saying you know you would think other cities like Columbus that we're hearing you know. Tend to make a little bit more sense less less busy. I think a little bit easier to sort of lock down a a bubble around the arena itself. Because you know there's sort of an area in the city like Columbus to do that whereas you know there's a lot of other concerns You know right where the arena is located right in the heart of the city here In Toronto so I don't know exactly how that's GonNa go my understanding the processes that it's a little bit like a bid process that you know teams not only have to be willing but they have to kind of pitch The League on why they should be considered for host. And you know certainly leaves have been pretty aggressive and doing so. Brendan Shanahan team. President you know was on radio here in the last week and was was open about his desire and I know behind the scenes that they're they view this as something like the happened. So you know at this point. I guess we you know it's a consideration because you know the the spread of the virus actually turned out to be nearly as bad in Toronto as initially hoped. But you know based on what I've come to learn about this that that could change certainly in the amount of time we're talking about before games could be played and we've seen other big cities like New York City where you know it's become a major problem and I think the concern here in Toronto for a lot of people that we could see something similar but you know when you have a powerful organization Like the one that runs the leafs we. There's lots of Nice hotels right beside the arena. And there's there's certainly other areas escape around the city you know many of them For the other teams to practice in. I guess what there's the infrastructure here. I just wonder if it'll all make sense. You know when it comes time to really pick through the bids and do what's most sensible. Can you conceive them? Finishing the regular season I still can't and I think that the more pushback you hear from guys that are outside the playoff picture. That are just like. Why would we leave our families for a month to make sure the islanders get to seventy five games? Played or some such like. I feel like there's going to be more and more of those guys Filipino. The other day kind of put that out in the world I mean in your mind. How do you see this summer thing playing out if they actually attempt to well? I can't see them finishing it only because there's a financial reason to do so right. I mean there are regional TV and sponsorship deals the teams have and so I can understand if your job is to try to tackle this huge problem and and you know ensure I guess you're trying to mitigate losses at this point if you're in the league's position I can. I can sort of put my mind around why they tried to come to that conclusion. But but you're right I mean there's certainly is a degree of push back there and I must admit I'm a little conflicted about this because I I'm I'm sympathetic to the players. And certainly this. Is You know a health crisis at its core that that affects everyone on an individual level. You know there's obviously players that are going to have family considerations and such but on the other hand this I. I do feel as though all employees as society starts to open back up. We're going to be asked to take on some risk and returning to the work place. I don't think there is going to be a perfect. You know when it comes to know how we we get society back going and ultimately. I think it's individual players. Don't WanNa play that there. There are GONNA be others. Who Do so you know in in their place. You know. If guys don't WANNA do that. I think that there's there's lots of younger Rachel players that would take those jobs and so nine it gets. It's a difficult consideration for the NFL. Pa You know. Ultimately I I guess the timing of this will will dictate if it happens. You know challenge to is some of these. Games will be meaningless in any game more or less Detroit. Red Wings could conceivably have to play in a season where there are already. Officially eliminated from playoff contention is going to be a difficult one. I would assume you know teams that would even consider arresting some of their more veteran players or team like San Jose. For example you know might use it as an opportunity to give other players those games but put save you know. What's you know a pretty pretty veteran roster from having to go through that process you know I think some of that's to be worked through but You know it's going to be a tricky line to Dan. I think you're going to see some degree of regular season games. Just because that's the way the winds blowing but you know if if the players get more of a voice and especially the guys on those teams that are really have no chance of playing playoff games you know. Strike up you know. Maybe maybe we see. It's only twenty four teams coming back to play regular season games or something like that siege. There is huge news in Chicago. This week The blackhawks fire their president. John McDonough who's really architect behind a lot of the behind the scenes stuff over the last decade and their three car runs. And what shocked people. I think the most was the timing the fact that they did this during a pandemic. And if you listened to rocky wirtz the owner said. He said he used this opportunity over the last month. Really reassess where the organization was and I'm curious around the league. Do you think that's going to be a trend? Like how much business is getting done right now and do think that teams are taking restocking in their front office. As saying. Here's where we can add value. Here's where we can make changes or do you think more the thought processes were in such an unprecedented time. Let's just keep everybody whether through this and we'll figure it out on the other side. Well it seems to me that there's an opportunity here especially if you're a team. That really isn't factoring into what's going to happen. You know with twenty nine hundred twenty and and you know it. Does I get the impression at least certainly seven weeks into this now That that obviously the interesting up to date on on what the NHL is planning to try to resume. And they're thinking about how they might get their facilities open and have a training camps things with at the top levels a lot of organization. But I think there's a lot of longer term planning going on already In terms of how they might navigate in uncertain caps situation. The decisions are going to to make whenever the off season arrives. And and you know if you're a team like the blackhawks you know I think again at the very top. They're they're already looking at the next year and and a lot of ways and so you know. I don't expect a rash of firings hiring during this but you know it's not totally surprising to me that that teams would use this this period of reflection where they really can take stock of things to to make some big decisions and you know we. We started drug launch being interviewed during this period by the New Jersey devils. I if this keeps going on for many more weeks you know say even before training camps open wouldn't wouldn't totally shocked me if you see more teams kinda use the time to to to their advantage to do those sorts of things and it on on one hand you know. We're looking at next season. Probably not starting before November December potentially even in January. So there's a Lotta time for for these organizations but you know I think especially if you're kind of at the bottom of the heap. You should be looking ahead and making these decisions and especially in a role like president. I don't know exactly what went on there. John McDonough but clearly this that there's some sort of disagreement something must have led to that there was no compelling reason to do this right now But you know I don't think it hurts potential to rip the band aid off and give yourself sometimes to do a search for president and brings some stability Away from the ice during this period. We're going out on it. Based on all that stuff that used to float around when q is there in his job being in jeopardy almost every season despite their success. There's there's a game of thrones book to be written about the blackhawks. I think at some point that'll come out and it'll be real fascinating to read. The next chapter might still be good. You know whatever happens here on out rockies. Kids are on the team last one from me season. Thanks for the time and Where where are we on on the the the potential of the June fifth draft? I saw Bob Mackenzie yesterday. I think saying that the pushback is has maybe affected the that happening. I know a lot of GM's rather league were convinced it was going to happen because Bettman was one floated it. Where do you think we are on it and did you? Were you able to wrap your brain around how it would have worked with regards to teams being say unable to really make any trades if we did the draft before. The season's done yeah. I mean it's a tough one to get a handle on where it's GonNa play out because of the fact okay. Twentieth teams and individual. Gm's don't like it and there's certainly plenty of guys have fall into that category. But I mean if it's being pushed out there by the you know the guy at the top of the league usually says how things are going to go. I mean I you know I. I can't even offer a prediction. If we're going to get it. I almost feel like it's in the cards to do it and you know I don't hate it I I didn't like it. Initially but the more I sort of thought about it and especially with the fact that if they get this piece of business done now you know it does potentially give them a few more options in in what will probably shorter. Offseason allows them theoretically to play nineteen twenty a little later into the fall and still have a quick turnaround before the twenty twenty one season starts. Then if you have to conduct the draft at that point in time which which you know will face more issues like say prospects that are playing already leaked in Europe or other things that You know teams might want to get access to You know the the biggest one of the big complaints without question though is is you know. Gm's field that the draft is a place that they can do a lot of their business when it comes to traits. You have teams the Montreal Canadians. For example that have you know in the last few years it made a few. You deals around the draft and owned fourteen draft picks In a four the twenty twenty drafts and essentially they would be barred from from doing any player transactions it would only be you know pick for pic type of deals that you can have in that kind of scenario but You know because this is coming from the top until it's dead. I would say it's likely to happen. You know despite some some of the issues and and you know from a marketing standpoint based on what we saw from the NFL draft ratings and the interest created. You know again. I I think in unusual circumstances it might not be as crazy as it initially sounds and and you know we could play eighty five percent of the season so if it's not going to be a perfect draft lottery but it is a pretty representative sample of where the teams that if if you're you know building a lottery off of that percentage of the Games and I guess we'll wait till next week. I know some things are waiting to hear this week but Clearly a decision has to be made in the next few days siege. We really appreciate you. Where can our listeners? Follow your work and see your day old takes on the Michael Jordan documentary. I guess twitter is the best place reporter Chris or Instagram. That's that's usually. It's more personal stupid goofy stuff but I appreciate you guys. You guys are doing great work during this and I look forward to seeing you in person to acquaint glass at some point. He'll yeah thanks. J. Thanks to C. J. for coming on to talk about. Nhl Topics including the draft. So as I mentioned Bill Bob McKenzie's not exactly convinced that the NHL draft is going to happen on June fifth. Even though Gary Bettman put it out in the world and when he does that a lot of people believe that it's inevitable an inevitability the they were GonNa see the draft that early and I guess the other question is. Should we see that early? You know it's interesting. My first instinct was no. There's no possible way you can do this before. This season ends the biggest and biggest hurdle we've got to get over is the lottery order. We don't know that but then there's so many other things. These conditions with draft picks ex team make the playoffs. The first round pick is this year or next year. And then there's a whole aspect of trades. This is a busy time for teams during trades. You don't do that unless the seasons completed. I just think that's too many logistical hurdles. To get over. That said I was really interested in listening to Brendan Shanahan pretty much. Say with the Maple leafs. I've talked to kyle dubious. We're in favor of having it soon. What's the difference between having it in June or in August and September? We already have all the scouting work. Done there's nothing. That's really going to change from a scouting perspective over the next couple of weeks or months and we're GONNA situation in August and September when we've got to go through Free Agency. We've got to figure out all these other things and logistics. Why not just get this out of the way? I can't see that's the part I don't understand is that yeah. There is going to be an off season of trades and signings and business and that's usually kicked off by the ability of teams like the Maple leafs did last year at the draft to move around assets. That have a lot of money against the CAP and do so through. The trading of draft picks and. That's the part of this. I can't understand and it's twofold. One is the functionality of the draft as a trademark place. The idea that you can offload the problems on your cap through the draft. You can move up and down the draft by trading picks and players to get what you want the trademark market part of the draft me is the most essential part of it and it taking away a really valuable tool from teams if you have the draft before the seasons completed because you certainly can't trade a player that you're then going to need for playoff run maybe can. Maybe you want your team. Chaos and like the idea of a guy who no longer belongs the team putting his health and safety on the line for that team. I don't know if it's going to happen. And the other part of this Chu is the trade one of the reasons the NHL wants to do this is the idea that having the NHL draft on television will be a thing for people to watch. It will be a thing. That hockey fans can watch should be reconnected with the game. Get them excited about hockey coming back to the summer. They no doubt saw the ratings the NFL draft generated on ESPN and said themselves. Boy Gimme a slice of that. Even if there are dramatic differences between these two drafts. I mean you know most of the players in the NFL draft from their college days. You probably know most casual hockey fans rhino five people are going to be going in the NHL draft. If that which is why. I need to read Chris. Peters learn a little bit about prospects so I think the trades are actually one of the real reasons why the casual fan pays attention to the NHL draft is. They know that you're going to see. Pk SUV ENTRY. Into the devils. You're GONNA see Patrick. Marlowe traded the Carolina Hurricanes. Bought out. Whatever you're GonNa see these deals done and you're also going to be marinating in the rumors that then lead to other stuff on July first. That's why you watch the draft. That's why you read about the draft. That's why we go to the draft. It's not see who from the SARNIA sting gets taken seventeenth overall. It's the find out what's going to happen in the coming weeks. So if you wanted to treat the draft as a way for fans to get reengaged in hockey and then you neuter the thing that makes draft so compelling for those fans by not allowing teams to make these player transactions because the drafts happening months before the completion of the season. I just think it's kind of defeating the purpose in my mind. The counter argument to that would be. Yes what's traditionally what the draft has been and when I think of my images of the drafted being at the draft the last three years I think of some random kid in the stands in a suit with his family going up to the stage taking the picture with his Jersey being ushered often onto the next one is just kind of conveyor belt style transactional That would have we take the best parts of the NFL draft the virtual NFL draft where we were inside. These players homes. Got To know their backstories. Yes a lot of them. Were some very sad back story that we got regurgitated again and again on those graphics but what if we use this as an opportunity to play up these prospects a little more and hear their stories and use that as entertainment. What if this is a chance for the NHL reimagined strapped? And yes? You pointed out. There's big instinctive differences between the NHL dropped and the NFL draft the best three players in the NHL draft. We'll see on rosters next year the rest of them. We won't see for a couple of years and we'll just get the prospect articles from Chris. Peters which again you should read But what if we make this about the players more and and what if what if that's you know? I understand what Gary saying. Let's capitalize on the slowest sport schedule Right now. But YOU'RE GONNA have to put not vent if you're GONNA do that make it less transactional and more about the players. That's possibility I do like the idea of applying the NFL misery template to potential NHL players. So you'll see things like struggled with creating a backyard rink parents. Suv wasn't large enough for both of US hockey bags. I mean real hardship from hockey broad. Brush my friend. Also the thing that I remember the site I remember most from covering the. Nhl dropped his day to when Ken Campbell from the hockey's would show up in shorts because it was always sort of like school's out for summer vibe on the second draft all the more reason to re imagine it and say what if it's not just the throwaway band at the end of the NHL calendar would if we reimagined that exactly. It's reimagined all right. Reimagined young apply it again to our next guest. Kurt overheard isn't NHL agent and he is trying to re imagine how we pay the elite players and this leads all right joining us now is NHL player agent Kirk over hard. Who made a huge huge news this week to the point where I believe is website was actually crashing. When when he put this plan out the exception player rule in which we are rethinking the way that we pay the elite players in this league was the thing that was was Was put up by Kurt and joins us now on the PODCAST. Greg Greg and Emily Hair Kurt and I think this is a really interesting idea. If you wanted to just share the cliff notes of what you put out there for the listeners. What does the exception player will? And how's it work? Thanks Greg and Emily It's pretty straightforward. It's basically you know there's a there's a hard cap there's an upper limit that The NHL teams can spend two now and with exception player. Model would do is it would enable teams to make their own value judgment so it's not required. No teams compelled to do it. It's completely up to the team in each individual team. But they want to designate. One player could be a super elite player It could just be one of their star players to fall outside of the CAP system so instead of having twenty three guys you know that you have to have within the hard cap system you have twenty two so you can take one player out In some instances you know we do have Super League players in this league. One of the things that Brian and I talked about in our opinion piece was that no compared to the other leagues even on a pro rata basis are star. Players are superstar players significantly underpaid for the value. They bring to all of us. You know in the game Marketing the league marketing. The team You know put people into seats etc. So did we try to serve a you know a couple of different causes and and remedy Part of the system by doing that so one of the reasons. That guys are underpaid. Part of it is the cat but also it's a hockey culture thing it what I've learned in guys Never WanNa make too much. How much do you think this kind of safeguards against that saying like? Hey guys it's okay to make your worth out there in the open market exactly and we talk about that. And the and the opinion piece and in the way that that's dealt with it definitely safeguards it because It's good for the other twenty two guys if someone falls outside of the cap if a team wants to pay ten or twelve or thirteen million. Fourteen million dollars on a superstar player His his fellow teammates aren't GonNa progress him for that because The remaining the upper limit the twenty two remaining twenty two players just sharing that so it it takes data away from it and the other thing. That does a lot of people won't Gee what about small-market teams? And you know part of this is I. We really believe from an economic standpoint and and I WANNA point out that We took a long view on this. This is this is not a remedy to this unfortunate. Cova situation this is. This is the reality if the Players Association and the League were to agree to a long-term. Cpa over time. We all know. The league will be healthy They'll be people going to games into television. Contract will be done and so we want people to see the forest through the trees here but the long view is You know there's a lot of star players who have done a lot for the game and they had that significantly underpaid. Oh yeah and that's where I completely agree with you with I. I mean you know back. In the last season of two thousand. Five I was a huge proponent of the luxury tax over the CAP system I think the cap has effectively restrained the elite players in this league for making the money. They should be making commiserate with what the superstar players and other sports make. Which was the point that you made in the piece and I thought it was really good. One a question about the contracts now. One thing I was confused about reading your piece was are these contracts. Still in keeping with the contractual rules that the NHL has for like the increases in salary from year to year and that kind of thing or are we. Are we kind of blown out all of the cap related rules and giving somebody a blockbuster contract like this now a great question I miss all? Those details would have to be agreed to between the League and the Players Association. So we're not trying to be presumptuous. We're just trying to be critical thinkers. We're trying to put a creative solution out there for a couple of issues that exist but you know the the accepts player would be a player. That's that is you know outside of his entry level contract so it's outside of the rookie contract Yeah I think you know as far as zooming it I think that the teams would have to adhere and the player would have to hear to the different restrictions as as far as increases year to year and structure Obviously the amount would be the big thing and you know the average annual value would be the big thing you know right now. We have a term you know we have a maximum term In the League and you know whatever that maximum term ends up being between the Association and the League I think that would have to adhere to as well so It just you know if you've got a if you've gotta start player if if a team's got counter David or teams got Nathan MacKinnon it. It allows those owners to make a value judgment. What do we want to pay that player and this enables us to keep the rest of our team together and to build a championship team to keep a championship team. In some instances. You know you could have a team like looking back in a rear view mirror team like Chicago you know. They went through Stanley Cups. They've got an unbelievable team. They've got star players. Well may maybe you? Maybe you don't have one player making significantly more than the other but if you have to your star players making the same money which they do. The the team could designate one of those players as the exception player falls outside the CAP. That's over ten and a half million dollars. That's outside the CAP. Maybe the Blackhawks could've kept their team together. So you know it's not bad to have dynasties in this league. It's not bad to have big market teams. Carry some of the weight. But you know. There's other markets the market in Tampa that owners such a great job. You know the proofs in the League and the team success You know these are competitive People that own these teams and why not let them make the decision on one player outside the system and Tampa could probably use this rule next season? I think I think the question I had is so I agree with you. I think dynasties are great for the NHL. I think super teams are great for the H. L. I wish these guys would put their whatever hockey culture nonsense aside and Miami heat it up occasionally all come together and play together and make super teams now. The other question I had about about the plan was let's say let's say Austin Matthews is making X. Number of dollars is an exception player. And he's like you know where I wanna go New York City. I WANNA be Arranger But they already have Narran as their exception player and they can't really take that Matthew's contract on a or even if you think a free agent they can't bring them in because they're already paying Antonio and this money and Matthews is getting this money would it be a potentially potential thing where these exception players if they wanted to move from team to team would then have to take a haircut on their contract in order to go where there's an exception exception player Yeah I mean that's a multilevel question as you know I know very common assuming a players contract was up. Yeah THEY WANNA make if they WANNA make their own. That's allow players to make their own judgments so for player wants to go to a market. That already has an exception player because they WANNA play there they wanna win their they think. That's the best opportunity for them in their family. Yeah I mean it. It's not just all one sided player. Y You know so if the player wants to go into a market where there's already an exception player and the club wants to keep that specific player as the exception player. Yeah absolutely 'cause it's gotTa go both ways right right. You mentioned to me before we were recording that before you put this out there you ran a by all your clients just You know see what they felt and they were comfortable. You put it out there but your website crashed everyone in hockey. Read this you talk to Johnson League office all the time. What's the reaction been? I've heard some people say oh Gary Bettman would never go for this but that seems too simplistic there's more nuance like. What are some of the conversations been like since he put this out there? Well I mean listen I. Of Course Commissioner Batman would his the first thing the second and the third thing. They're going to say no way. No way no way we all know. The leagues done an outstanding job. And so forth cost containment and that's what the system's been all about all this does this. This allows the system to evolve I think this is a lousy system to evolve to address the superstar player not being so significantly underpaid it puts it empowers owners to compete amongst themselves which. I think competition is great Let them make their own value judgment right But you know yes. I've had a lot of conversations Mainly with some general managers and a couple of owners. And he'll you gotta remember as well like no general manager. Owner is going to speak positively of this in the in the media because they'll get in trouble with the league I mean that's just how leagues are run. It doesn't matter whether it's the National Hockey League or the NFL but You know I do think that it's important that we that we have dialogue and people think of different ways you know such as the exception player model to try to create some solutions. You know One of the things we tied this model too was i. It would give some ease in the system some relief in the system. But it also if it's done properly Would have to be done. Between the League and the players association can also help remedy and part part of the escrow situation that players incur so There's a lot of things that are tied together And hopefully I answered your question. No you did and I'm just curious you said you've been thinking about this for some time. How many proposals or ideas have you seen similar to this of shaking up the NFL's model right now? Is there an appetite for it or are people constantly thinking ideas like this or is this kind of a one off I mean I don't know like our group I work with a great group of people You know one of know Kevin in Chicago. Obviously we just always liked it. We liked to challenge each other. But you know when we visit with our clients I mean that a Lotta this stems from from our conversations with our clients our constituency as you know is is our clientele the people that that the people that we work for so The people that we work for appreciate our thoughtfulness challenging Coming up with ideas like this and and once if they grab onto it and then we continue to have conversations about it then it can be really compelling like literally. I think maybe a week before the season was put on pause I was in Dallas to watch the Dallas Nashville game and I was out to dinner with a number of our guys on the Predators. And we discussed this at length and it was a very very thoughtful engaging conversation and and you know they appreciate the time we put into it. But I think it's important that we talk about stuff like this That the system that we have right now is old and obviously works really well for owners because it is locks you know in the cost but I think that you know opening it up a bit and allowing the owners to make their own decision to spend some money as a good thing and like we mentioned in the article if teams. Don't WanNA spend the money. Then you know the League and the Players Association could agree on some type of luxury tax. That's attached to the exception contract. That's I I loved seeing. That was my favorite part of your plan to be honestly the idea that You know we introduced some some level of luxury tax allow the certain teams that want to spend money to spend it and then use that to somehow benefit the smaller market teams. But I also think the other thing about smaller market teams is we've already seen how teams with lower payrolls weaponized their cap space and weaponize and it's certainly been beneficial in some cases in other cases when they do become competitive that cap spaces enable them to trade for for players. And I think that if you're a team that's on the rebuild and you've got your exception player spot open. I mean that really does put them at a huge advantage in trying to say attract big-name free agent or work a trade for somebody who might be a year away from free agency but is looking for a blockbuster contract I think small-market teams make pretty well on your plan. Yeah and we've got the exciting thing to me a bit of hockey the game behind the game. The business game that you're talking about enabling hockey departments to be challenged more challenge with their works with raining. Like you said I mean that's really important. I think the NBA's done a really good job over the last several years of capturing media even in the off season with their system I think the NFL the NFL exports to me team. Sports owns the calendar right. I've said this before. It's like they have their draft during our second round arguably the best round of hockey in the National Hockey League all year. And they're cannibalizing the media with the NFL draft. This I think able to gain within the game. It gives us something to talk about and you know if the team makes good decisions on their exception player you know some some. Gm's some owners are like well you know the Leagues Not GonNa want more money in the system and you know if teams averaged twelve million dollars apiece. In exception player. That's x amount of dollars more in the system on the players side. I'm like you can't look at it that way. You GotTa let the owners make their own decision. If if a certain market wants to sign a player for twelve or fifteen million a year one would think that that business person that owns that team can justify that investment based on sponsorship and media and New Media and advertising you know let's let's let A rising tide raises all ships. And that's kind of mentality with s rather than just keeping arms closed and try to contain costs. Kurt last one from me. Thank you for your time. I just wanted to switch gears a little bit. You know you've got clients dispersed all across the continent of all across the world right now. I know you've got some European guys. What are you hearing from your guys about what they'd like to see with? Nhl Coming back and more importantly are you. Seeing a distinction between some of your players who were on play-off teams and players are not play-off teams of the urgency of them wanting to get back and finishing out this year Yeah urgency thing. I mean they're all you guys know hockey players in my opinion the best athletes the best athletes. The best guys overall As far as you know male team sport athlete just Great People There. They they all they all know that they have a responsibility to go back and play. Okay that's number one. They don't take anything for granted Number two I think you know one of the things that I really is going to need to be cleared up and I'm not a medical doctor as you guys know. Think but I think it's going to be really important. You know with the antibody testing before there's a vaccine that the players are tested You know arguably before they even travel back to their home city. You know to see if they if they you know they had contact with the virus or or their system fought it off. I think from a health and safety standpoint. I think you know knowledge is key and I hope that's one thing you know that the League is able to do across the board and have a policy to do it that makes sense so I mean. Does that make sense you guys oh totally and I think it's in line with what European soccer is doing. I mean I know Lolita in their restart had three. I think three rounds of testing on players even before they returned to training camp. So I mean I think that's it only makes sense if other leagues the NHL SUIT. My last one for you. Kurt is about the the off season which according to the NHL Zena last about two weeks. Assuming assuming that we're that free agency is what we you know. We all expect it to be wondering about your thoughts on on this notion of contracts looking different in the sense that we know that escrow is going to be a huge issue. Next season may be huge issue in the in the following season after that we've already seen contracts signed Columbus where corporate sallow and Republicans took a lower base salary in their first year in theory because they know the percentage of escrow is going to be so high and then took a higher percentage higher salary in their second year. There's been a lot of speculation from agents in GM's behind the scenes that longer term deals are going to look like this to where the first few years are going to be a low base salary. And then it'll be get bigger when the market improves. I was just wondering overall your thoughts on on this shutdown the pause its effect on on what we're going to see free agency wise an contracts being signed in Oak Creek Smith when you guys USA this summer and whether you know you do think that backloaded contracts and short short term deals to get guys back to market quickly are going to be in vogue this off season great question. I mean we don't even know what the landscape looks like. So your question is pointed. I mean I obviously. We always have to adjust to the landscape. That's in front of us. And we have to just as representatives for players to landscape and the money that's available to us So yeah you're spot on Escrow issue I think is interesting. You didn't ask this but you mentioned it like you know like our position and speaking to our clients like I've worked with players in nineteen ninety two and You know my position on escrow is I mean I understand how cvs written but you know escrow was sold as a tool to order to assure that the owners If there was any overspending based on the budget that the League actually projected for revenues. It was a tool for teams to get some money back. Based on the partnership and their share in the League the owners sold this. Becca no four zero five. I had guys in the room. One of still active player. But they sold it just as a tool Because the you know because there's owners they assume all the risk with business and part of that is a pandemic. This unfortunate situation escrow was not created to save the owner's okay From a pandemic so I think I think hopefully there's a larger conversation out there Not all this can come out of the players hides and players compensation You gotta remember as well. We mentioned this in opinion pieces. The owners are sharing one point. One billion dollars expansion fees that fall outside of hockey related revenue for some unknown reason. But they did so. You know how much of that money needs to be. Put in to mitigate just the next probably season and a half until we all get back on track so there's a lot of big issues out there that the League and the Players Association are going to have to deal with and you know. I think these the answers. I think we have to be really careful. If for some reason system adds up where there's not a lot of money in it. You might have to be careful and like you said sign a short term deal for a guy if the player believes that himself and the players healthy sign a short term deal. You still get the money but you know that in two years that there'll be more money in the system based on New TV contract and the gambling revenue and everything else so there are a lot of variables that's a contract with. Espn right you guys selby buddy and is way above the pay grade on this podcast Yeah Kurt we really appreciate your time and we just encourage all of our readers to check out this article it's on Ko Sports INC DOT com. And Kurt we really appreciate you. Stay safe thank thank you great. Thanks for your time. Thanks to Kurt over heart. Who is both an expert and reimagining the NHL? Right our truly an unbelievable combination. And now it's time for our but mostly Greg's favorite segment of the week. Just dogs now. He does not love to eat hotdogs at sad and straighten comedian good. It's still cuts lows hotdogs the segment each week where we talk about the personally mistakes the errors in judgment in the hockey media. This is kind of hockey media. Jason this is a guy who is the managing director of the Athletic UK at Malin. Mount Malian there has who dabbled in the world of hockey for the athletic this week by ranking all of the NHL Jerseys time-tested summer adventure. For hockey media gets moved up to April. Because there's no hockey to cover though man did ED. Emily a made two errors. I believe in judgment here that we could talk about agreed errors in my mind. Never twenty-seven on his list was the Vegas Golden Knights Number. Twenty six on his list with the New York Islanders. God on the Golden Knights. He said you could say that they that they did that on. The ICE meeting excel in their first season but their uniforms are an uninspiring gray. Accented by peculiar choice of yellows and reds and their marooned near the foot of our list because he's British or whatever they just ended up as a crappy expensive mistake. Say what you will about the islanders uniform and when the logo of the team is as good as it is. I don't think it could be twenty six on any list but the Vegas Golden Knights Twenty seven. I Miss List for that. Jersey is insanity. I haven't been on the record several times. Say I don't trust my taste in sports. You know forums. I think I go against the grain. I don't understand with the mass public legs. I personally find the visually aesthetically pleasing. But I also don't want to discredit Ed's opinion here I will. He's Insane I. I wouldn't trust him to operate a motor vehicle with that kind of eyesight if he thinks that the Golden Knights Jersey worst in the National Hockey League. Play that right. Now I'll give a disclaimer. Edwardsville twitter buddy of mine for the football world. He's a football writer. Now when you say football American football or soccer I do mean American football. Thank you for the clarification. Let's get some listener mail. Sean Murphy wants to know what happens with Seattle for expansion. Will it be delayed via Corona Virus All indications right? Now are no Seattle's on track. They should go. You should probably get a name and logo sometime during this pandemic and all operations as far as I know. We're not delayed. Yeah I wonder I wonder what how this has. Impacted the KEYARENA refurbishment. I mean it's only been a couple of months. Imagine it's not going to be chew impactful. I mean obviously we all know Seattle in Washington state have been in a different level of locked down for some time. That'd be my only concern but everything from from a functional standpoint of them getting their hockey ops up to speed and everything else seems like. It's still very much on point and probably have to check in to see what their tickets creation is too because they had to lead some of that stuff as well due to corona virus. One more point I want to make somebody pointed out to me. I can't remember who but remember. Seattle is supposed to enter the league this year and it got the later. Can you imagine what fortuitous delay? That has been really would've been although I will say that as much as the NHL says the entry draft could have been a way to get fans in more interested in the game via God a expansion draft. This summer would have been. Everybody would have watched that. You can put on paper. You be deeter. Twenty-one wants to know I feel this award the Stanley Cup at all costs mentality. The League seems to have actually makes the cup seem more compromised than if they just canceled the season and moved on feel. The champ would have an asterisk because of the huge break. What are your thoughts? I agree that I think when we look at this season in history. It's always going to have an asterix behind it. And you're always gonNA have some footnote in your story. Well it was the pandemic season. Of course I do think that the NHL wants to war the Stanley Cup at all costs in part because of the integrity of the game and they didn't want to Mississippi where they get the Stanley Cup. Put I think more so the NHL wants toward the Stanley Cup cost because of that revenue. They're losing. That's the big reason why they're they're forcing this out there. Yeah I would agree and I also think that the aspects thing I agree with that I feel like it would be a lot better if you could find a way to get all the teams to play the same number of games even if you had to cut it off at like seventy three or seventy four seventy five games and not play the full schedule. I think the asterisk aspect that you could look at and the Great. What if would be if we go by points percentage? Then it's like well. What if that team? That was a point out could have gotten and could it have been there year. Like I feel like more so than in the past and as a devil's Fan. I'm very familiar with the ASTERISK. My Team Stanley Cup in nineteen ninety five and a shortened season. I think then you could say everybody was on equal footing. I think now you're looking at a situation where it's like well not. Everybody was on equal footing. If we're doing my points percentage so look it's not ideal and I think that ultimately the argument GonNa fall by the wayside because it's such an unprecedented and tragic situation. But if you wanted to be hockey petty about it you can definitely say that they are you could look at the standings and say all right but points percentage was used and it was unfair to the XYZ team. So I get that all right time for PUCK HEADLINES DATELINE TEN BAY lightning friend James. Myrtle of the athletic believes that the lightning will have the worst caps situation under a flat cap. He wrote an article this week. Projecting out what happens after the phase sign and all that other business and he says that they could be a minus six point two million against the projected cap goodbye Tyler Johnson immediately. If that's the case but he believes the lightning are in a spot of trouble. If the CAP is flat I think they were in a spot of trouble before the CAP was set as not rising This has been a brewery issue for a couple of years. But I've got to say Julien Brisebois since he took over for Steve is Herman has been really creative. You know you saw the Barclay good road trade for example and I do think he's been anticipating this for some time I do think yes. They're gonNA have to make some tough decisions like you. Outlined child's probably will go but this isn't exactly a shock indeed. Okay moving on Dateline Award. The popular foreword called it a career this week. Beloved player for The Washington capitals in the San Jose Sharks National Predators as well always a guy that was never shying away from uncomfortable conversations. Both of his parents are from Barbados. He has been a long advocate of hockey is for everyone and of course dealt with some absolutely deplorable racial stuff. After scoring a overtime game winning goal with the capitals against the Boston Bruins. I really felt that he I really. I really felt honored that he took time from. What should've maybe another situations been a remembrance of his career to address some important issues like the Qadri Miller situation that happened during that live chat for the Rangers last month and and ward words an important voice that stuff and I hope that he continues to be. Yeah honestly like the last thing image. I have of Joe Award earlier. This season when he was honored by the capitals and wear black girl hockey clubs sweatshirt out which I just thought was sick. I cannot wait to see what he does in this next chapter eluded to wind to stay involved in the game. I think he's in talks with the San Jose Sharks about some kind of forum overall like director player development. Or something like that. I think would be such a great use of his hockey mind. His human mind and I'm looking forward to seeing him still involved in the game. Indeed indeed all right dateline. Columbus are the contracts for units corpuscle Elvis. Moore's Lincoln's the first examples of the pause season deals. We talked about this earlier with over hard. What are your thoughts? You think? We're going to see dramatic changes to contracts because of the escrow situation. I don't know if the Columbus dual goalie situation is the perfect illustration of this. Like if you talk to your McKee Callanan like this is kind of been the goal ever since they realized for APPROX GONNA LEAVE THERE. Were going to try to fill the role internally. They have these guys and of course you WANNA lock guys up cheap when you can. And that's kind of what they did but I do think going forward. We are going to shorter deals. Just because of the economic climate indeed and then find wait two more dateline New York football giants. This kind of a weird one. The New York Post talked to Steve. Mu. Who's a rookie offensive lineman for the giants and according to the Post in college at Oregon Lemieux was at left guard lined up next to left. Tackle Tyrel crosby. So you'd look at the Oregon offensive line and see them you in Crosby in close proximity and Cebu said people had fit with that. I've heard I'm not wearing sixty six. Which is a crime because I was sixty. Eight in College Aka. He didn't take sixty six because his last name is lemieux. Your last name. Wouldn't you take sixty six. I'm like well. How do you not if you're playing other sports fan? You got to honor the family name no now. He probably just doesn't want degree from Pittsburgh fans jeans. No you can't wear that number or some such finally dateline. Nhl Pause rewatch. Emily and I will watch king's ransom the thirty for thirty on the Wayne Gretzky trade. And I believe you've been very kind not saying. We're not the biggest fan of the pacing of this one and it will love it like Gretzky going to. La is so significant in the hockey landscape in pop culture in American history of hockey. And we get that flash forward at a ten minute montage and instead. It's just kind of this methodical. Look at Peter Pocklington having to make tough financial decision kind being a villain and Edmonton documentary for me. It's a lot to get into a thirty for thirty. Because like you said the POCKLINGTON stuff that they focus on is really interesting. Anytime owner is burned in effigy by his own fans very interesting the stuff where Gretzky basically transforms hockey in California and. Now he's hobnobbing with Tony Danza and sly stallone John. Yeah is is is fascinating. But then there's like that whole other aspect of this which is that the oilers won another cup without Gretzky without right the supporting cast one. So it kind of undercuts. The whole thing a little bit you don't when that's just sort of an end note of Gretzky leaving and my God. What's going to happen to the oilers? Well I want another cup with. They did and it's a really. I think it's good for the conversations with Gretzky and to look back at the internal dynamics of the relationship between Gretzky and say there and popping tin. But I've I've recommended this book before in different places and I'll do it again here. Gretzky's tears by Stephen Brunt. If you're interested in the story it does a really. It does the most thorough job I've ever read of fleshing out Gretzky's years in Los Angeles which is something that I've always been interested in but never really thought encapsulated because there was so much attention given to Gretzky's divorce in the oilers that what happened afterwards was sort of glossed over. So that's good stuff and then the most fascinating guy. The ENTIRE STORY IS BRUCE MCCONNELL. But they didn't really get into that either because McConnell was a fraud at the jail he was defrauding a bunch of banks during all this Gretzky stuff and that's also an end note. It's like it's like literally like if you watch the empire strikes back and then they put some text on the screen at the end of the movie. You're like oh by the way. Darth vader is Luke's father like those fascinating stuff up in the end note. But it's still a good thirty for thirty to check it out. That said yes. It is a great thirty for thirty but totally calls for a Michael Jordan. Style documentary Gretzky's first season in La. I agree except for the fact that I feel like maybe Michael Jordan is a bit more with academic personalities and we don't have to say it has to be ten parts and a big primetime special that was expedited because global endemic. I'm just saying. Give me an hour of television. That said if you really wanted to get into the life of Mark Messier that could be Rodman. I mean both dated Donna. So I mean right there Medicaid and Madonna. Oh Yeah I would. I mean. Emily dated with Air. Quotes was an address. Elba ESKIMO brothers. Wow that is the show for this week. Thanks to you. Kurt Oprah Heart for joining us or thank the CJ for joining us. Thanks to the shock. Look on Emilie's face as the architect of the nineteen ninety-four Stanley Cov- comes into focus for being the ladies. Man It was. Yeah Greg for semi down a rabbit hole for the next hour. Right there I hit Madonna lie. Line may become love something rather from the Chicago Tribune. Ten surprising facts about Mark Messier. Well Day there you go. Thanks for listening. Everyone we appreciate you there. It says mark. According to candidate Dot Com Mark Messier managed to hook up with both Madonna and supermodel tyra banks we always say Canada DOT com. Yeah candidate Dot Com. So that means you now. Now you're parachuting down the rabbit hole to find out this stuff. You JUST CAN'T DOT COM. Just take stock of all different. Canadian celebrities and their exploits absolutely. Wow I hope it's government funded website Canada. Thanks everybody for listening. Check out our stuff on. Espn DOT COM daily coverage league. And the Monday morning news. Wrap up for nineteen stuff is essential reading. And we'll talk to you next week. Bye A Espn is with Shitski and tackling subscribed show in the ESPN APP or apple podcasts.

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Feel Good Habits | Emily Jane Johnston

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Feel Good Habits | Emily Jane Johnston

"Hello Hi and welcome to another episode of Emma. Gun Show this time talking about feel good habits with a really wonderful guest. My friend and superstar logo. Emily Jane Johnston you. You may remember that. She came on podcast a little while ago. She's always such good energy such company. She's a wonderful person to hang out with and you may also know her from her hugely popular blog fashion for Gras. She is such a delight to hang around which is why she seemed like the perfect person to talk to you about feel good habits because she works for herself and by herself is incredibly motivated and has therefore got so many good habits that she has in place to make sure that she maintains that productivity and doesn't ever let a bad day get in the way of getting the job done she also just has really habits for getting out of a Funk. Maybe just washing away. A bad mood was a clear on how I said that and so I was really delighted when she agreed to come on and talk about half feel good habits so here she is just a note. I will obviously offerings to emily. Have blog has social media in the show notes but sharing how wonderful and very generous feel-good habits. It's emily chain Johnston. Emily Jane Johnston stays in the House. But obviously you're in your house not in my house different city anymore. What's happened say much? Change say much change but you are a lovely light in my life. Which is where I thought you would be so good to have on the field. Good habits cost series because We're not least because you are a a very successful blogger and you have a huge presence on instagram. You cover fashion lifestyle beauty and you all as my brother was may jokingly a cell facilitating media node dot business card this because you you everything like you don't have a team it's just you. Yep You completely by yourself working by yourself you live by yourself with your boyfriend now you have been in this situation for many years now of working from home working alone and still churning out lots of content being motivated and so. I really wanted to ask you first of all if you found that difficult in the beginning. Because you've been doing it for how long nearly twenty years twenty come on ten. Why because I know that you've been in London even number twenty right yeah. I've been in London. Eighteen years I ten. I was working as had appeared for an auction house. So turn around there and then you created this incredible blob. Which is fashion foreground now? Emily Jane Johnston on Instagram. Yes so in the beginning when you okay so when you left a big auction house now I have friends who work big ocean houses and they all quite busy places. Big Office is quite big teams. I don't know when you always was like was yeah. Was it quite the shock? Yes I think it was very difficult in the beginning trying to do simple things that I hadn't even really anticipated. It would be hard like setting a routine for example and I think it's funny that we go into the office every day and you have routine without really even thinking it's a routine and the way they work and all of a sudden when you have to you have to rely on yourself to put that routine together. It feels very strange. It also feels very strange when you will for me. At least the first couple of weeks I was doing it. I was kind of like. Oh I don't need to get right up and take a shower and get ready and and start the day officially and I learned very quickly that things like that are super important when you're trying to sort of self regulate your day and have doing things like getting up and taking a shower and putting on makeup and just the most simple things become the hallmarks of of a great day. So Yeah I learned that the hard way first couple of weeks where a bit interesting. Yeah what we're going through now. I think I was speaking to someone. The other day is like oh I'm just so treating it like a holiday and I'm like well that's going to get tired very quickly. Yeah that is very true. Even With my boyfriend and the two of us are really trying to stay on schedule because we both are self employed and for us. It's really important at the moment to get up in the morning Immediately hop in the shower get ourselves ready and then we go for a walk together. We have a really long walk and not just I mean we're both really We have only lived together ten days. Plus I get too excited here for the past ten days. We've gone up every morning. On six o'clock we get up. Were out we. I make the coffee while he's getting ready. We both got cups of coffee and we walked through country fields and frost. That's really great way. Set up the day and were both. We both work in the creative industry. So I think that's hugely important things kind of start the day with a clear head. Yeah that's such and I think routine instructors you say so so vital in your ten years working by yourself from home all of these things. What is a what would you say? Are the habit that you have really developed a makeup a real backbone of your ability to be productive and it kind whilst being kind to yourself as a real balance of being productive but also being really kind to yourself. And if you're doing it and the undoing it it's real balance isn't that there is a real balance and I think when you work at home. There isn't a set time for many of when you work so again. Everyone works differently for me. My most creative and Most valuable time during the day for doing anything is at night semi structured a little differently and I really feel like my mind is flowing for writing and things post eight. Pm when most people probably at home doing other things. That's when I find myself doing the bulk of my work And doing things like accountancy stuff office in the morning. So it's like the stuff I leave to not told the later hours of the day and for me. I think the biggest thing has been really accepting the fact that I need to feed my creativity through various sources. And I know I was joking with the earlier about my obsession for finding calm and relaxation with watching Gilmore girls and for me like and that's why I kind of frame this by saying that aren't set hours because I am. I find myself having a real drain on creativity or feeling. Really stressed out or whatever's happening in the world maybe as getting down or something and I find doing things like sitting down and putting on Gilmore girls for an episode or two can just really three. I know that sounds so ridiculous but something as simple and small town and lovely and warm is. That relationship is on television. Can really just love me out. If I'm feeling a lot of stress and I know that that's something that I can flip on any time of the day I actually have on my iphone like a couple of episodes always as a back like as a backup and he's anything should go down like my mom's always saying what if the grid goes down and I'm like I still have a couple of episodes of Gilmore. Girls say I find for me. That's a really it's a leveler and I think it's super important to have levellers because I think you can get so stressed out especially if you're self employed because and running your team if it's just you there's so much coming at you and some days it can all come at once and there has to be this real ability this real toolbox free to be able to take everything is being flung I e and lay it out on the table and just go. This is all I am capable of accomplishing. Everything needs to get done. I just need to realize that it's baby steps to get there and sometimes that's when you're looking at it at all and you feel yourself getting stressed out your camera. Sit Back. I'M GONNA turn on. Netflix Gilmore girls run our. I'M GONNA come back to this and I'm going to come back to it with clear head knowing that I get it done instead of going in with a hot head and really feeling pressure to to finish. Whatever needs to finish. And you're not GonNa do it as well as if you were in a calm level place. Say for me. It's all about having those kind of levels in my life that I can turn do. I think that's a really good point as well. I think sometimes if you as a freelancer with to say to somebody who wasn't every now and again like I put on the offense. They would think that you're being lazy or it would sound like an unproductive thing but I feel that you can use. You can use things that would seem like something you would do in your free time or something would not seem like a working that you can use them exactly as you say to kind of shift out of a very low gear and it just kind of calms your brain a bit as you say and I love going with a calm head. Not Hot head. I think that's super important. I think so you know what not just comes from years of experience. I feel like if my twenty year olds off. Good here my forty year olds. I'll say that I would just be rolling my eyes and it has taken me a lot of time and ten years of being freelance. I definitely did not used to do that. I would feel show upset and so heavy with things and that was really difficult for me and I just had to come to a place where I learned that walking away sometimes is the best thing that you can do to a to do list. Oh my goodness I think that genuinely I think. Festival writing to delist is the most important thing I agree with you knowing when to go. Actually this I need I need a moment is vital the productive now the other thing you are like super super motivated and what do which is really genius. I know you're laughing but you are. You create a lot of content by yourself and the other day when I saw you. You were one of the last people I saw before. I went into lockdown. Oh you had you had been up that morning at like something crazy o'clock because the it was getting light really early and you out at one of people. I'm sure he followed you. But if you don't please going for Emily Jane Johnson on Instagram beautiful pictures but you do it when London is quiet idea. Yeah you go out and you you will do. I mean how many pictures how many different setups in store. Time as you can to create bump related content. Do and it's. It's a real planning thing and for me. This is probably going to be the biggest adjustment for me because that is how I've operated for. The past. Ten Years in London is that I've gone out and early in the morning I get up. I go out and I take my pictures. I am literally feet on the pavement. The minute the sunrises so and that is for reasons that I walk a little bit further drive a little bit further and by the time the Sun comes up in that location. I'm there so in the summer. That can mean me getting up at four thirty in the morning and going and doing that but like I said I've moved the country. Now that's an adjustment at. It's me and my tripod. Walking around the forest. The occasional biker coming by going excuse me Ma'am everything all right here okay to that point pre moving to the country. When you're in London you would get up at four thirty in the morning. Yeah okay this is what this is my question about your habit. Don't have a team. No one's GonNa tell you if you don't get up at four thirty eight. No one's GONNA say Emily. Where are those pictures? I've redoing some. Ptsd from magazine. No one's going to there are no consequences for not doing the new going. I should have done this morning. So what is it there are? I mean this is this is where I think. Maybe I'm a little bit more about this. These days I used to be because there are consequences to it and the biggest consequence is that I feel like I've let myself down when it comes to me not having content that I have routinely everyday for ten years and I'm left there going What do I mean I'm a real? I become a real planner and I need to have in my head at least a week's worth of content at all times knowing what. I'M GONNA put out for to sit somewhere and not knowing what's going to happen. That's a panic attack in the making for me so again. I think this is knowing where your touch points are. This is kind of knowing where you get stressed out. And China put roadblocks no situations and for me that was creating content ahead of time being prepared knowing what I was going to be sharing with people. That doesn't mean I always stick to that schedule. There can be new things that come in but routinely. I'm I'm pretty good about what I have coming up and what I want to focus on and for fashion. That's it's always really motivated by London. So I think this is a big change from now. This is the big hurdle is to figure out how I find that motivation in a completely different setting. So it's an exciting time but it's also a little bit harder and of course with the current environment for me I'm not sure if we're talking about the current environment or we were destruction but hey it is nothing but I mean in a kind of a good and bad way I think for me. We never know one day to the next if something is going to change or if something is going to be different as far as what we're told we can and can't do and I got really nervous about that in the beginning and then as it's evolved. I kind of thought. Wow you know what this is. Really going to challenge me creatively. And I think it's going to be an amazing thing because all of the sudden we've been really spoiled in the past everything that we could do and all the places we could go and now we're having to really dig down and really source some creativity. That's really really deep down with ourselves to be able to do that with and we'll right now. I'm in a in a house that has two bedrooms and two living rooms and so my world has just gone from literally being global and traveling to about four different countries among to being a garden which I'm very blessed to have and two bedrooms and two living rooms so that's like a you know again like more blast and a lot of people. I realize that but for someone who's been used to shooting everywhere to coming into this. I think it's an amazing opportunity to find out what I'm actually made of. And it could be let down but from two things and I think it is important if somebody's listening to this and maybe that working from home for the first time ever or they're not in a team for the first time ever is that actually it's about. You said the reason why you get out and do that. Work is because yeah the consequences that I let myself down and I think I definitely felt that when I worked in an office. I was always worried about other people's expectations that I never tuned into my own and I think it as you say it's a really good opportunity to kind of say. Well what do I stand for? Who am I without? Who Am I to sound like Zealander you know what I mean? Yeah I think that's super important. I see the point. You're making but I could also see the underside 'cause you know when I think it's the second second land. When he goes good movie I might watch released today instead of Gilmore Girls. But I think I'm the same. I think I've been freelance. Eight years in a couple of months and I create content. I get up and especially at the moment. I'm getting on grading content and I've had a few friends message me saying you are churning out so much stuff. I'm like. It's a brilliant opportunity. Yeah I'm what also like literally am I going to let myself down and not season opportunity when it's in front of me. Yeah I mean why not we gotta delivery yesterday of from this really cool small brand and it's a they premade cocktails and they put them in these beautiful glass jars and they just reach out to instagram. I think I liked the picture on Selfridge's food or account or something and the brand you know I love. These guys are so practice they just reach out and they're like. Hey we saw you like our picture would love to send you some and the most beautiful little bottles and there are just tiny little brandon. I'm like I have a whole day free tomorrow and I have really bitch an idea for how I him. I can create some break content or on this and I think for me. That's the exciting thing is. I've been so busy. Trying to create content and sponsored content and for really big brands and I haven't had time to really kind of zone in on the small guys that actually have some beautiful things. I'd love to share with my readers in a really unique and creative way. And that's what I'm doing tomorrow. I'm setting up the whole day to talk about four cocktail Like bottle but I love that and I. Can't you know what they're going to be so much good? That comes out of this period. Truly I believe I think we're gonNA come back things like like giving people hugs my God I mean I just think there's just going to be so much good. I have such a good feeling about the future from this. Yeah it scary right now and it's obviously there. I mean it's I'm trying to tune into the news once a day. Yup a weather situation isn't it? I'm trying to refocus and I don't want anyone thinking. I don't want anyone to think that saying this is going to be. This is really good for us over. The situation is terrible but I think we'll just trying to look at the goods that we can create from common sentencing. You know. I think there's definitely two ways that you could go from this and there really are only two ways you can either constantly be looking at the news and fall into this doom and gloom pattern and be upset and trying to predict what's going to happen next and and I fell into that pretty hard a couple of weeks ago because I have a brother that lives in Italy and I'm hearing from him everything that's happening there and of course there are a couple of weeks out of us and I have this. I wasn't even going to mention this as a coping mechanism but for me one of the biggest things I've had to do is say that's it. I'm not gonNA listen anymore. News or look at my phone anymore. You know a certain point so that I have like this this carefree zone and it might. I don't think it's avoidance. I think it's perseverance. I think it really is. This is how everybody can handle it on their own. Like you know what you're limited but I think he you do. There is some part of you that knows when you've gone too far and there's cheap ration- that you're you're bringing in now. It's a different thing. Obviously if you're sick or a member of your family is sick but if you're healthy and you're at home and you're dealing with with what we're all dealing with which is self-isolation and and how hard that can be. I think you can really you really do. Have to make a concerted effort to go one of two ways and it's not an easy call to make but I think it's a really important one and you just have to go. You know what this is something I'm going to do for the better and I'm going to realize that when we come out of it it's going to be amazing where you can be like world is ending and and. I just need to be here. And if you need to be stuck in that cop for a while You know just stir in the madness. That's happening all around us. Then that's fine but I think you need to have an out like you need to be able to get out of that like I said. I went through that Steve. Nearly killed me probably twice just being stopped. Breeding the Daily Mail because of where you could get the worst headlines so I was like. Oh what no I'm and finally you can look at the Gilmore. Girls Look at the logo and actually even instagram. I've SORT OF RE REJECT WHO? I'm following an WHO. I'm tuning into what stories. I WANNA watch because I've been really surprised by the amount of people that have decided to get really and this and that's all they talk about and for my readers the feedback I've had is. They've said listen. We really appreciate that. You're being realistic about what's happening. And like touching on it but more so than not. We need the escapism that you usually provide so if you could somehow keep that going we'd really appreciate it so. I kind of like in a not trying to choose easy way. I think that's where I'm trying to put myself like the service that allows people to maybe go. Yeah things are tough right now but we're GONNA get through and when we do. We're going on Far Africa where Emily Johnson tells us again. Not kind of ridiculous but you just have to laugh about it onto well. That's why I created this series because I just thought we all need to. We need to tap into the things that make us feel good and sometimes it's really good to get inspiration from people and you all well practiced at this. You've got some great feel good habits that you put in play all the time. You told me a couple of them before we started coding. And please tell. Please tell me the second one because I nearly cheated because this is one of my favorites. Yes I guys. I call this the power of a hot shower. I honestly believe I'm GonNa Totally Muck this quite Abu. The whole what you need. The three healing powers like sweat tears and what? The are saltwater is like ocean sweat and tears or something bad like the three things that best for you and your your mindset and for me hot shower I just feel like not even just the beginning of the day any part of the day it just washes everything away because that's Marshall Muscle tension or or some kind of like I mean. I find very mindfulness practice. Very mindful practice actually to be in the shower and just I really. There's this feeling that when I got in a hot shower and the water's running over me. It does feel like it's just taking everything that I'm carrying and it is washing it down the drain and I can remember going to see a therapist years ago. Who used to say to me? 'cause I've been labeled I mean you'll know this but you probably most people wouldn't think this about me in the talk but as a catastrophic thinker so say my therapist used to say this to me and I don't know if this is helpful Friday one right now but this is this is for me what the shower has become because she used to say if you have a problem and you can't get it out of your head but it really shouldn't be there. Put IT in a bubble Sir in your head. Imagine that problem being wrapped bubble that you can then blow away and you physically watch that. Go Away from you in a bubble and you just know. And she said you're leading the universe handle that problem and she's like. I'm not talking about when you have to pay taxes or anything you can avoid. I'm talking about the things like when you worry when you're sitting in your house and you think I really wonder if my parents are going to get sick. There's nothing you can do about that. So rapid in a bubble and float away from me. The shower has become that so I think about things and I just watched the water. Go down and go into the drain and the problem has gone. That's so helpful. Thank mindfulness practice. If anybody needs something that they because I think there's a physical connection to that save for me. It wasn't enough to visualize a bubble actually had to feel and see something being feel that water go from my head. 'cause I use a obviously shower head. Start going through my head. All the way down to my toes and physically watching that water drain into the to. The drain is a release so if anybody needs that I find that is one of the best practices. That's a good one. I like that very much very much. You have another good one another one of my favorites I do. I think my next one was going to be talking about the long walks. And I've kind of just briefly touch on that so I don't have to go back into that but and I don't mean a long walk listening to music. I mean a long walk outside can hear birds and things around you and even better if you can come to a place that long walk when you can take off your shoes and socks and hurt your feet grass. And there's if you wanna Google this. There's a lot of studies done on on the release and the grounding that comes from your feet being in the earth so that's a really amazing thing to do and I find that that always helps. I think it's the the exercise the something that requires you to concentrate on something other than yourself and say all of those things I put it into practice and like I said Steven I go on a walk every morning. And that's become part of our routine in something. I feel very thankful for while while we got an exercise. Did two things come to you when you're on your book because when I'm exercising all sometimes like a few words or sentences will just pop into my brain and then that will end up being the thing that started an instagram caption about oil. Like even the idea for the series came to me when I was like mid circuit. I was like that's what that's what I need that because I've been getting so many methodist listeners. Exactly as you said about your redes- thing I it's fine to acknowledge if it can be helpful but we really still want you to destroy these makeup videos. Please do this and it came to me. I go amazing friends you could. You can be helpful in that way and be uplifting I love yeah. I think that there are all kinds of studies that say that physical exercise is actually one of the greatest things for creativity and I have a note section on my phone so I carry my phone with me. I wear a lot that can track how far I'm going and stuff but I have a nate section. That's a constant. It's almost that in itself. The sometimes overwhelming. Because I don't know what I can do and then it's more about narrowing down but I'm a big note taker so I agree every time you go out and do anything or even if you're just on a treadmill having a piece of paper and a pan or your however feel comfortable taking notes. I think it's really important to be able to do that. While you're exercising. Amazing Right. We lost one now. You'll always feel ci more. They can one The Center for the Fourth. One is journaling. Oh yeah and I feel like I've we've touched on this before when we've taken. I'm and I've got a lot more into it and I'll just say that I feel like the page is a really good place to leave thoughts that are troublesome or burdening and. I think it's a really good place to to center your thoughts. So even if you're on a high emotional state or that's happiness or sadness or whatever I think journaling and writing down what you're grateful for there are so many reasons you could donal ultimately for me. I think it's the power putting the pen to paper and releasing that energy that you have new yourself and I feel like that's really helpful and then the fifth one is reading. Yes and for me right now. My big reads are beach. Reads where you're basically the most complicating and what you're reading is like. Will she fall in love with the man and Untuckit? How many babies will they have like? Not as I'm basically being carried away into the arms of romance through these books and things like Bernie Brown who. Oh yes. Yeah I mean like calm on. She should be on every man and woman bookshelf. Right now. I feel like she is the ray of hope and that we could all use any time of our lives really and I think for me. It's all about being very happy and uplifting I I don't really I occasionally I would read like thrillers or like Stephen King or something and I feel like that's just not. It's not the time for me to do that right now. I need uplifting and he'd happy need romance. Yep I'm the same. Some of the. I keep getting suggestions to which things on Netflix Amazon. Prime in there will mysteries or thrillers. I can't do that right now. Now how you wire moments yes. We Watch Tiger King. Well I think here's the thing everybody was watching it so I was like I feel left out now. I'm so one of those people like when people reading Harry Potter I think I was twenty one years old when it came out and I was like clearly I have to read this even though my nieces and nephews who are like eight and ten are reading it but tiger king. Yeah when we started. I was like okay cool. This is amazing and then it kind of got like episode five or six or something and it was like. Oh God this is really really heavy stuff like there's enough going on in the world. I mean watching about this also going on and es the Guy Zoo was in South Carolina where family No this is not going to give my home good name. Well I tend to most evenings. I text live tax with my friend Terry through an hour's worth of really bad TV. Why we think that we would never want anyone. You know when you know people who go on twitter and say horrible things about reality. Tv shows that we do that privately. Because it's kind of it's tongue-in-cheek Obviously it's just kind of us being being ridiculous with each other idea so we might so I might suggest because last night last night I was like literally. There's nothing to watch terry. He's a I know I've I've gone through every channel. There's nothing I said. We can watch kate a queen in waiting if you like. He said I might buy novel from thrown out the window to do first of all. There's actually a show called Kate. The Queen Week it was. It was something about like something but it was like a fairly decent documentary just basically showing how closely and easy going and adaptable and everything. Kate Middleton is sounds interesting. I might watch the. The boy has sky. So I'm like I was magazines. I never actually really paid for that. So it's all the hopes going catch up TV. Get into well. I haven't got into curb your enthusiasm yet but I keep hearing dressed rest. We just finished these in time. That is a fabulous release. If every thought you were kind of like crazy about things and a little bit neurotic the good old Larry David right into okay. Maybe I should make a list and I'll give Terry the choice later. I'll be like weekend starts hiking on weekends ups yet. I think he would have a really good time. We're tiger king. Okay maybe maybe and bits and pieces. We did the per- We did the bench thing you know where we basically like. Let's watch the whole thing at once. You know I had not Jackson last summer. And she wrote the Guy to have the votes to gently women and one of the things she says is when it comes to Series that you could watch in full. She's like watched two episodes at a time. Never need to the Fed one like via gentlewoman. Sure I can subscribe to that. Well I subscribe to it when I'm Pete when I've got my productive work right on like current scenes online if I'm gonNA watch for episodes of which represents but you know when you read something and then Registered and then the next time you're doing that activity. Oh you're doing that behavior. You think Oh actually do I need to run via mice? Kind was at the back of my brain now. Maybe it will be guilt trip so get to episode four. I'm like I am Joseph. Everyone should go and have dinner by themselves in a restaurant and I had lunch before. But I've never actually gone and had didn't like table for one it is. I think last time we spoke on your podcast. I told you about the time I ate dinner with a bear. Tell you about that I feel like I should have told you the fact that the first time I did it by myself. The restaurant's owners had this giant bear and they were so embarrassed that I had dinner myself that they put a giant bear across the table from me thinking that would lessen embarrassment of eating by myself right. I have told me this story because I have questions. What Hind there. It was like a not like an actual Barrett. This is like a giant stuffed bear and it was like the hotel ladies and I went in and I was doing a review of the hair tall and the guy was like. Oh we only have down for one and I was like yeah. I'm just by myself. And he went. Oh and then he went. Well Charlie will cut or whatever. I don't remember what the bears name was. Charlie will come meet with you and I was like. Oh really need anyone to compete with me. And then he saw this bear dominant. How the Bowtie and everyone in the restaurant. Nobody would've taken any news media by myself but meeting dinner with a dying literally came in and falling off my rocker and I was like have you never had i. I don't even know what to tell you. I was so mortified I couldn't have eaten faster and they had like this like this grandma new plan for me and I was like I'm just having one course. Wave just let me go home. Yeah doesn't doesn't odd tactic. Restaurant has listening willing coming by themselves and eight. Please sit stuffed animals with them. It makes it worse. You are light in my life and I hope that my listeners have enjoyed listening to your lightness and loveliness thank you. Thank you for having me on absolute pleasure and obviously the links to follow emily. We'd have fantastic blog honestly. She's a brilliant writer as well as a beautiful later also links will be in the show notes. But Emily thank you say.

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Design Matters at 15: David Cay Johnston

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Design Matters at 15: David Cay Johnston

"Matters with Debbie Millman is on break and will return with new episodes in. May in the meantime were replaying some of the best interviews from the past fifteen years. This is David Kay Johnston from March of twenty eighteen. This is design matters with Debbie nominee from design observer DOT COM For fourteen years now debbie moment has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do how they got to be who they are and what they're thinking about on this podcast it'd be. Molin talks with David Cage Johnston about the fun of Investigative Journalism. The great thing about being a journalist if you treat it serious issue perpetual graduate student and the only differences the public leisure. Here's David Kay. Johnston is a muckraker. His investigative journalism has ended the careers of government officials businessmen and politicians you WANNA Pulitzer Prize in two thousand. Three for beat reporting that showed how corporations were twisting tax laws to their advantage since the twenty sixteen presidential election. There's been more muck to rate than ever and Johnston has been busy last year. He wrote the making of Donald Trump. Which the New York Times called a searing indictment his latest book about what the trump administration has been up to in. Its first year is called. It's even worse than you think. What the trump administration is doing to America David? Kay Johnston time when journalism is under attack in this country. A very warm welcome today on design matters. Well thank you for having me. W David I understand. Your mother was the only child of a very wealthy businessmen as well as a disowned heiress. How on Earth? Did she get disowned? My agent wants to write a screenplay about this My mother testified against her father in the spring of nineteen forty one so before Pearl Harbor when America was still relatively innocent he was tried for Alien Nation of affection by his mistresses. Husband now if you wanted to your to a lawyer today and said I want to sue this woman my illuminating my husband. You'd be laughed out of the law office but back then. There was a trial my grandfather lost. He had to pay ten thousand dollars which is a lot of money in nineteen forty one and the star witness against him. Who had the records of the hotel rooms and the trips was my mother. Oh my goodness headed. She find all that information or gentle. She worked for in the business. Clay a scandalous background. The trial was covered by newspapers from far away in some of the big cities one of the headline was sinned in the North Woods. Sounds like a romance novel. You've described your dad as a man from New Orleans with a third grade education who read a book every day and I understand he wants had dinner with President. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. How did that come about? My father was the president of Young Democrats Verizon in nineteen thirty two and he was on the dias with the FDR My father left New Orleans when he was nineteen years old because he couldn't stand. The racism drove him crazy. Whole life When I was a boy my brother and I if he was home at dinner time because he was a chef and even though he was disabled like most disabled war veterans he continued to work. He would make a stand in front of the news. Put his hands on the back of our necks and we would see you know bull connor attacking people or whatever and we would sit down with my father would go into a rage and he would say there but for the grace of God go you. You could have been born black in the south and you will not allow this. Wow so I understand that. That that fury that he had really helped fuel your outrage against inequality and racism as well. That's really began. Yes but I also someone who believes very strongly that we want to have a society that ennobles the human spirit that I believe is the real purpose of our Constitution that if we govern ourselves and we do it wisely we will see how far human beings as a society because we're social animals can advance and we need to constantly be aware that those people who have positions of power and privilege not all of them but enough of them that it matters. Try to twist the rules. Try to oppress other people. Try to take care of themselves at the expense of other people and I spent a lot of my career doing this. The thirteen years I was at the New York Times as the tax reporter. I documented every chance I got which was four five six ten stories a year. How inequality was on the rise. A Lotta people attacked when I was writing back. Then and showing. How government policy was the real big driver. Certainly the driver we can do something about in the fact that the bottom ninety percent of Americans incomes were going nowhere in fact in two thousand twelve. The bottom ninety percent of Americans had smaller incomes than in nineteen sixty seven the year. I graduated from High School. How is that possible because government policies? And we don't tend to cover what government does so much in journalism we cover politics. Not Policies have pushed down wages in a variety of ways. in nineteen seventy-three about thirty seven percent of private sector workers belonging to unions but about eighty percent of workers benefited from that because many employers didn't want unions mostly because of the work rules. Not Because of the pay or willing to pay premium wages and treat workers better to keep unions out. That's a social good. We've decimated unions. It's now about six percent of private sector workers. We created changes in our society that led to almost all mothers of small children going to work. Now I'm certainly not arguing. Women should stay home. My wife's a CEO. But you shouldn't have to go to work. We ought to have a society where you can spend time with. Your children will be better off if we do that. Some European countries require you to take a year off work each time. You have a child and subsidize you on the theory that this is an investment in the future of your country. We obviously reject that idea here. It so fundamentally this issue of power is what's interested me my whole life and that's led me to study will. How do these systems work how to corporations work And eventually led me to study the law of the ancient world which I taught at Syracuse University's College of law though not a lawyer and its Graduate Business School for eight years because it was a way to understand why is the law. The way it is today we'll go back and look at the root. Learn the principal in theory if you learn the principal in theory of anything whether it's design or taxes or military strategy. You will understand things much more deeply than if you just know the mechanics but your journalism career. David started rather serendipitous. -Ly You WanNa speech contest when you were in school or one of them probably forty or fifty when a lot of speech contests the local paper. Who Shooting Your picture? Ask you to write a column offered you twenty cents an inch the paper liked it and shortly thereafter they had you covering the school board and the City Council. You were making minimum wage. So can you tell us what happened when you were eighteen? And a reporter for the San Jose Mercury approached you and give you some advice. Well back them in Santa Cruz California. There were five or six reporters every Tuesday. At the Board of supervisors. I had just finished night. High School was a father was married and these local Santa's reporter who might known since I was ten years old or eleven years old was on vacation and this guy slides up next to me in the Church Pews where we sat The Board of Supervisors met those bench seats and asked me a couple of questions and I answered him and he took me to the catalyst that can keep zero about to have a cup of coffee. I literally didn't have a diamond. My pocket I think he also had a hole in your share. Hold my shoe And he started asking me about things and the next day or the day after he told me that I had a job interview at the San Jose. Mercury and I said Excuse me Jack. I'm eighteen years old. I just finished high school. They're not GonNa talk to me he said. I don't care how old you are. You can do this so I went over to the San Jose Mercury The man I was to see had gone to dinner early. The two editors I met with just made fun of me for an hour. They brought over a graduate student was a copy boy. Used to. You know So what are you doing? John Z? While I'm getting a graduate degree in doing that well I hope you'll be a reporter here. Okay Jones go get me a cup of coffee. He'd walkaway hire you and I think torture. Yeah well it was It was an hour I endured and when I went back. Santa Cruz Jack Frazier said boy. They were really impressed with you and I said really. And he said Yeah and he said just go back every three weeks until they hire you and nine months later being so young. Hadn't occurred to me that it was vacation time again and the Santa Cruz guy would go on vacation. The managing editor said to me. Suppose I hired you. What are you going to do in ten years? And I looked out and pointed at him and said. I'm going to sit in that chair and I'm going to run this joint nowadays any hired me and I was on the front page and a matter of weeks but no prior to that. You're only experience in newspapers. I believe was your seven newspaper roots as a delivery boy for in the morning and three in the afternoon. Is that correct? Well no no. I work for two weekly newspapers. The one that you mentioned earlier and another weekly newspaper and I split my time between them but it was. It was such minimal experience when I turned up at the sound. Mercury Peninsula Bureau Robert Lindsay. Who became a famous New York Times reporter West Coast? Bureau chief did the Falcon and the Snowman and the subsequent movie and one of the greatest reports of all time you know. Bob told me just recently that what I came. They were all like what have they done here. This guy has no real reporting experience. He's a teenager and he said you know. It took us a couple of weeks and we went. Hey this guy's writing sophisticated stories said if from pain and yes and so things went went very well. I read that you originally pursued journalism. Because she didn't want to be poor If the San Jose Mercury hadn't hired you do you think you'd have ended up in L. A. P. D. COP? I think believe. That was your first aspiration. I would have become a khaki officer the LAPD and I. My goal would have been to be homicide. Detective still have any of aspiration and you. Well I did you know I spent three years of my life exposing the LAPD. When I was at the time I was the first reported to this way before anybody else yet. They spy on you and your date. Once I went on a blind date with the woman I've been married to today for. Let's see thirty five years. Eight months Two weeks and four days is not long enough And luckily she didn't run away either when she found out when I told her right up front I have six kids or when I told her the LAPD had spied on us. And you have eight kids now. I believe that's right so the coverage of the LAPD which they were regarded as the world's most honest efficient effective police department. I spent three years showing. But they weren't honest they weren't effective derogates got worldwide news coverage for claiming there was a huge crime surge in L. A. And I showed that it was the theft of blaupunkt radios from German cars. And you just remove that from the data crime was down. I proved that he assigned officers to sleep with women to get political information that an lapd undercover officer started the May Day nineteen eighty-one Orion la used videotape to prove that and a lot of this stuff until the L. A. Times. Shut me down. How did they do that? They just sent me to the women's section to write features. Really yes so I wrote what I called investigative features and one of the things I did there was I Hunted down personally A very vicious killer confronted him. This is a case of a young man who was tried four times for particularly repugnant. Murder and the judge in the case who was a very pro prosecution judge but black and this was a black on white killing Throw out the conviction and it was reinstated by the Court of Appeals and When he came up for sentencing the judge who knew I was working on. This story said Mr Cooks. This court believes you are innocent. But I'm required by the Court of Appeals to sentence you and I hereby sentence you to fifteen years to life in prison. I got him a fifth trial. The real killer was called as a witness the sheriff's department in L. A. Produced evidence that nobody had seen that clearly exonerated. The kid and he was acquitted. The real killer of course went Scott Free because five times the eyewitness had gotten up on the stand and said that's the guy who did it just for you while the only times never got that story on the front page. They buried it in the back of the paper. Why I was on the outs for having disturbed too much trouble. I had I certainly before I left the paper. The editor the paper who is generally very good guy and ran a great newspaper. I don't want to put this out of context. La Times had fantastic journalism. All over the world had a huge staff paid people. Well they just didn't want to do investigations. Local establishment called me in his office and he said. I don't think you appreciate that. There isn't a single important person in California who hasn't sat in that chair pointing at me and complained about you and I said well build it ever said I don't have my facts right and he said you're not getting the message I said. Probably not. Now how did you not follow these stories? How did you know for example that it was the radios that were increasing the crime rates and not actual violent crime? While I didn't know it was the radios what I knew. Was that the lapd this was before computers kept all their crime reports on. Big Ledger sheets. Big Green Books and so I'll add to do is go over there and sit down and analyze the data. And that's what started my career when I first covered the Santa Cruz County Board of supervisors. And Trustees didn't know I was high school student. They gave out a press release. One day next year property taxes on the average Home Santa Cruz valued at thirty. Four thousand. Two hundred eleven dollars will go up by forty three dollars and two cents utterly meaningless information which appeared in the local daily the next day unless you own a house valued exactly thirty. Four thousand eight hundred eleven dollars. I just turned the thing over with long division. Did the math. And it's roughly What I'm about to say and that is I said next year property taxes will go up by dollar and thirty two cents for every thousand dollars of value in your house and people notice this and pretty soon the NBC radio station. San Francisco's morning. Drive Time Guy is reading a story of mine on the air and saying why. Don't we get things like this in the San Francisco Chronicle? Why isn't this something? Called the county news down in Santa Cruz. Most journalists very accurately report the official version of events and the official criticisms of the official version of events and I very quickly realized that the story was the unofficial version of events. How do you know that the unofficial story of the events are true because you have to and crosscheck and you know this Fake News stuff that Donald says? Donald has been a huge perpetrator of fake news. He spent his whole life planting stories. He planted stories and got national coverage that Madonna the actress. Kim Basinger and Carla Bruni. Later First Lady of France where his lovers he hadn't met two of them in the third one call him a lunatic. we try Carla Bruni called him a lunatic and he just makes stuff up and he plants false stories all over the place so he's very familiar with fake news. One I realized early on is you just had to prove what you had to have verifiable facts. Nobody could question one of the lessons. I learned over time. Is You know if you you're at a story about the cops and something they did this heroic you can have a whole bunch of factual errors. They don't care you write a story about a crooked cop and you get a comma. This literally happened to you get a comma. Somebody can challenge. They will try. And get you fired for it. And so you've got to have some fortitude about it and you've gotta be very careful and very thorough and it includes you know editors not messing your stuff up. I've had some things happened in my career. I'm not exactly happy. About where editors change things. They didn't understand they didn't know or they thought they were making the story better but they didn't know facts and so they weren't malicious. It's just a this is not a simple and easy thing to do. When asked about what advice you would give to young journalists. You stated this only study of journalism to understand. The basics have had a report and how to organize your writing. Focus your education on hard ideas that will equip you tools statistics chemistry physics literature or history but focus on how to deeply understand how things work study philosophy. Don't waste your time in a whole bunch of stupid journalism courses. Believe that Yeah Am. I taught journalism for eight years at the University of spoiled children. I'm sorry the University of Southern California. And so what were you teaching that would be meaningful if if you're recommending that they shouldn't be taking or unless maybe your class wasn't this one of the student loans well my teaching introductory news writing news reporting. You know I just came back from a world lecture tour fifty seven thousand air miles so it's more than twice around the planet went to five continents and what I was telling investigative reporters and all young ones. Especially all these places if it's important enough to write about somebody who wrote it down. There's a record you know right now. There is a plane somewhere flying. It could be a little plainer. A jetliner that will crash because of a mechanical failure. That's already underway. He can't write about till after it happens. Don't pursue things that will take five years because you're giving up the options. You lots of other stories that you can do more quickly but if you don't understand things deeply there will be big stories right in front of you. The Berry best stories are right in front of your eyes and I urged them to all read. Edgar Allan Poe's short story the purloined letter these Belgian detective's go in and they're searching everywhere for this letter and they're taking things off the shelves and the letters right there in front of them on the top of the desk ever cursed them. It would be hidden in plain sight. But you have to know how things work when I got a fellowship to the University of Chicago in nineteen seventy three. I took a course from famous education professor. Paul Peterson who was visiting from Harvard. It was about decision making he called on me in the second or third class and I got up and said indicated I'd read. The work made it clear and then. I said to him. I don't understand this professor to be honest with you. I mean I I. I read it. I can regurgitate it but I really don't know what's going on here and Can you help me with the mechanics of this? And he says well Mr Johnston. I could certainly help you with the mechanics of this. And then what would you know you would know the mechanics of this particular transaction? Which is absolutely no significance whatsoever. Perhaps you could spend your time. Learning principle and theory and mechanics will be obvious to you. Twenty four years old. I had five children and had been a reporter now for seven years and I suddenly thought Oh my goodness nobody ever said that to me. Oh of course and I spent most of the rest of my time in Chicago. 'cause I was living alone going to the library in the evening going into the shelves just pulling things off the shelves climbing into these big chairs they have. I called elephant chairs and just reading till I fell asleep and the sun came up on my eyes in the morning. And said that's what you have to do. So if you're going to write about police water we can police. They don't exist in the ethers. Where did that idea? Come FROM IF YOU'RE GONNA be regulation. Where did that come from? What are these things began? What's the underlying principle in theory? That's what I teach all around the world to young journalists you have been an investigative reporter for over fifty years so I want to talk a little bit about some of the highlights of a career that prompted the Washington monthly to cite you as one of America's most important journalists before we talk about your brand new book so I you're innovative coverage of tax issues in the New York. Times prompted tax policy changes by both presidents Clinton and George W Bush that Congress valued at more than two hundred and fifty billion dollars. How did in the first ten years? How did you do that? Well George W Bush's case He would not show anybody his tax plan like Donald Trump until he took office about five days after he took office. Senator Miller from Georgia introduced the bill. I read the bill. Ram Random editor's office and said. Oh my God there's super rich. People can live tax free forever in this law because they repealed a gift tax he said. What difference does that make? I said if you get rid gift tax you take. Your Bill Gates is Fortune. You give it to aunt. Martha all she has to do is live a year and a day for technical reasons and in her will she gives it back to you and you now get. The stock was valued at a penny a share valued at whatever? The price is fifty dollars a share. And you know taxes if you sell it and he goes wow. He said well his problem. I said what's the problem he says. Well you can't say that I said what do you mean? I can't say that I can prove this. He said No. You got a quote somebody. They're not gonNA want this. You're not going to get on the front page. So I knew the lawyer who probably had figured this out loan behold he had and we quoted him ran on the front page and the next day that day Ari Fleischer the White House spokesman was asked about this and Ari started off saying because we knew each other from when he worked for in Congress. I said well anything. David writes about taxes. We're going to treat with deep respect. that certainly is not intention Were not aware of what the new this is for. Sure but we will look into it and then very quietly three months later. They dropped that provision from the bill. How did you learn as much as you know about taxes and Tax Law? Well I spent a great deal of time reading books. You know learning these things. Reading statutes learning how to read them of spending time with top tax people The great thing about being a journalist if you treat it seriously you can have a fun life and journalism but if you treat it very seriously. Issur a perpetual graduate student and the only difference is the public. Read your papers. You won the two thousand and one Pulitzer Prize for beat reporting for your penetrating and enterprising reporting that expose loopholes and inequities in the US tax code which was instrumental in bringing about reforms. You described how corporations were paying less in taxes even as individuals were paying more. What kind of changes did you provoke? Well it prevented some proposed policies from going into place first and foremost and then secondly it prompted the government to start seriously acting on these tax shelters. They were aware of them. There was some action being taken. I got lots of prominent tax people to say on the record. This is corrupt. This is wrong It's dishonest and it really pressured. The federal government to crack down and it also changed the public's understanding mean fundamentally what I wanted to do was get the public to instead of saying oh tax I don't want to have just a fundamental understanding of the principles the ancient principles that go into tax. And if you just get those then you can look at the tax debate and have sort of a better understanding I also showed In two thousand two I wrote a story pointing out that Enron had We said eight hundred and some offshore subsidiaries and turned out they had double listed some so in the end it turned out there were seven loan seven hundred and that Enron was taking profits earned in the US siphoning out of the US and converting profits into interest free loans from the federal government. Think about that. Imagine the taxes taken out of your next paycheck if the government said you can keep that money and invest it. It is just loan you your taxes at zero interest and if you could do that for every year for thirty or forty years invest that money then pay the government taxes with no adjustment for inflation or anything else. You'd be really rich. Who comes up with these kinds of ideas lawyers accountants who get paid huge fees by rich people? So they don't have to pay taxes. America has to taxes them separate and unequal one is for most Americans. Wage earners people with Labor income and the other is for very wealthy people wagerners. We don't trust you. Don't get your paycheck until the taxes are withheld. I but if you own your own business like Donald Trump you tell the government what you say where your profits and unless they audit you and we do very few audits. The Government accepts which you said. That's Nutty we should. Why is it that the government doesn't trust the wage earner they trust the business owner and the business owner is generally the one? That's doing the fancy accounting that's right and in many cases just flat out cheating Donald Trump as I reported in my last book the making Donald Trump there were two civil tax trials for him for tax fraud and in both cases he lost. He had no evidence to support what he did. None and furthermore there was clear evidence of criminal tax fraud when the tax return at issue was shown to Donald Trump's tax lawyer accountant at work farm for years. The only copy anybody had was the photocopy. Apparently photocopy was submitted to the city. The city of New York and Jack Mitnick testified. That's my signature but neither I nor my firm prepared that tax return. That's about as good of evidence of criminal tax fraud as you were ever going to get. And why wasn't he? Because the vast majority of criminals never prosecuted you. I met Donald Trump in nineteen eighty eight when you were the Atlantic City bureau chief for the Philadelphia Inquirer and he was trying to break into the Casino Business. And during one of the first meetings. I read that you deliberately said something wrong about the Casino Game. Craps in order to see how he might respond. So can you tell us that story well? When I arrived in Atlantic City I met Donald Right off and I immediately said boy. This is our P. T. Barnum come see the Fiji Mermaid and the incredible two headed woman. Everybody knew back then. P.t BARNUM was selling hoaxes. He didn't hurt anybody but donald like him in selling stuff to you and right after that knowing he was the most important story Atlantic City. I started preparing. Learn about him. Was competitors immediately said to me Don listening about the casino business and I'm like come on man on casinos. That's not possible. I went to the government regulators. They had a polite phrase. Donald is not an operator then I went to Donald Zone guys. Who would you know soon as they realized they could trust me? It was like about this. Business only knows how to do is take money out of the business so with the connivance of a couple of guys. I came up with these four questions. One was about craps and in my first long. Sit Down interview with him. I just dropped into what I was at a question these falsehoods Donald immediately incorporated the falsehoods into his answer. And that's when I realized that he was no different than the ads you see on. Tv where California psychics. Is Your boyfriend really loyalty. You will. We'll tell you California psychics and what they really do is listen to close to me about what you WanNa hear. And that's what Donald did I mean. He's he's masterful at this. He's he's really good at this stuff. Getting unit suspend your skepticism and by his sales story. How well does what all CON ARTISTS DO? He figures out what it is. You want so that he can pick your pocket or get you vote for him in the most recent example and the world's full of people like that and luckily for me because I had covered the police department for three years I had covered darryl gates. The police chief there who in many ways was like Donald. He wasn't money motivated but he was power mad. He would make things up he you know when when? I broke the story about him. Assigning officers to sleep with women. You know it's like what's wrong with this. I mean some. I'm the monster. Not Him for this sort of stuff. Same thing with Donald started helped. Prepare me for that and Donald was used to just saying things and getting implanted. In the newspaper. The famous New York Post headline best sex ever years later MARLA. Maples appears on designing women. And she's playing herself and she turns at the end of the upside. Looks into the camera and says I never said which apparently stormy Daniels in her recent interview would confirm so. Donald was not used to journalists. Not just buying his nonsense. The only reporter before me who had done this was Wayne Barrett to who my new book is dedicated. Wayne bear was a reporter at the village voice. A lefty paper and yet he had the most fantastic law enforcement sources F. B. I. Agents Cops PAROLE PEOPLE Who all totally trusted because of the solidness of his work and donal was on the warpath against the two of us and a guy at the Wall Street Journal whom he tricked into doing something that basically ended his career was non inconsequential shouldn't happen to them. Donald Trap me. Well Don kept trying to kept offering me things. He'd offered Wayne Barrett free apartment in trump tower. If he'd go away so he was by then smart enough not to note. Offer me something like that but you know they want to go on his jet this or that so one day when I lunch with him. My Middle Son. Who was a teenage boy came and Donald had to get up and leave and while he was gone. Andrew walked up to him as a picture of the two of them together on my facebook page and the next day Couple copies of the picture. One of them framed arrives at my home. By Messenger in Donald's written on it you know and you have a great dad. Donald Trump and I immediately realized he would use this. He would go and say well. I blackmailed him. If he didn't take this picture with my son and right what I told him to write he would write. I would write negative stories about him such all the Philadelphia Inquirer about this. We agreed that we would pay for the picture we Went to the Casino and we offered you know and it was a prior pricing. Everybody said it was worth not much twenty one hundred hundred fifty bucks so we wrote one seventy five. They wouldn't take the check. They mailed back to us so I found a charity dumb Kluban connected to and I sent one hundred and fifty dollar hundred dollar contribution in his name and inexpensive cashed but I took away from Donald the opportunity to do that and I never allowed him to do anything more than you know. I the only I'll take from. People are a cup of coffee. A glass of water a cookie if it comes with the coffee that these are gratuity. These are just simple courtesies. Everybody who's ever made themselves vulnerable. Donald in any way has come to rue it. He called you at your home last year to yell at you about the questions. Submitted to the White House while working on an article in the White House to him as the campaign during the campuses in two thousand sixteen. Okay so he called to yell at you many times. He's done that many times. What does he say how does he? It was a standard Donald Trump. Telephone call this kind. Because I've had many. He's called me at home many times it's Hell fellow well met. What do you want to know when he knows what you want to know? And then he turns to menacing and in this case and then he hangs up on his case. It was So Hey David Lamb talking wild I said yeah well I said you know. I'm glad you called me back with. Let's go through these questions because I wanNa make sure you get your full side of this told and he says what do you want to know about pick one so I picked one of them and he goes? Listen if you don't write it the way I like it. I'm going to sue you. He's been threatened to sue me since nineteen eighty-nine and he has yet never know and he's never going to. I mean I wish he would. I would have the right to question him under oath. A CHALLENGE TO DONALD TRUMP IF DONALD trump have the guts to sit down with me in front of television cameras. We can't walk away for one hour. I promise you at the end of that hour. Every American would understand who he is the portrait of Dorian Gray would come right onto face anyway he I said Donald Your public figure in America that means he would have to prove that I knew what I wrote was ally and I did it anyway. There's no chance anybody's ever GONNA prove that. And I said it's a non public figures is on the public figure. I'M GONNA sue you anyway. Click now Donald had gone to the editors of the enquirer and New York Times to try and get me fired With no success of any kind. I know that he went to various news organizations and made through intermediaries all sorts of threats. That's one of the reasons that during the campaign. Nobody reported on the robust public record about his deep entanglement and favors for this international drug trafficker where Donald wrote a letter. There's none of this is in dispute the facts and why would a casino owner where you could lose your casino license? Would you be doing favors for a major drug trafficker and doing business with him? The obvious question to ask is what were you doing business together. Because if they were everything he did make perfect sense but nobody reported this so when Americans voted they had no idea who donald trump was. He wasn't scrubbed. I can tell you the names from not memory but I could find for you quickly. The names of Barack Obama's childhood playmates in Indonesia from kindergarten. The Boise smoked marijuana with in Hawaii and high school and some of the women he dated and we went to Columbia University. None of that kind of stuff was done with Donald Trump and it's because his campaign was so bizarre unlikely What I've compared to as you know we all rubber neck. We all stopped. What does that accident on the other side of the freeway? We'LL DONALD TRUMP. Is that traffic wreck with dancing. Girls fireworks in a marching band. And people were like. Wow what's he gonNA do next and literally when trump went off the Air Fox and CBS said people. Click the dial away so they covered this because it was good for business. That doesn't explain the newspapers failing utterly failing to what's called scrub the candidate. Well Tony Schwartz. The ghostwriter of trump's the art of the deal said that trump will be very unhappy man if no one paid attention to him. Well Donald by the way is an unhappy man I mean Donald Trump is a man who you don't see him laugh can't take a joke about himself. I've always felt kind of sorry for him. I mean he's he's a seventy one year old man trapped in the year of puberty when he was thirteen emotionally and there's joy and contentment in his life. Donald is desperately in need of public adoration. He has said he is superior to the rest of his sons of said. That trump's believe they're genetically superior they believe in what they call the horse race breeding theory of genetics. You notice his doctor just said you know he overweight and whatnot but his genetics are really superior talk about the anonymous mysterious arrival of the pages of trump's tax returns that arrived at your house last year. First of all. Why you if you believe as I do that. Donald Trump had this center sent by somebody. This return makes perfect sense. So you think that it was sent to you. Oh I came in the. Us mail. I've given the a news organizations the cover letter so they can see it and it says client copy so it didn't come from you know government file somewhere and the Donald has a long history of leaking material on himself When the New York Post in the summer of two thousand sixteen published the what I call sleazy porn pictures of Melania They certainly are not art. I invite you to go to New York Post and lookout and this is not hired. I don't have any problem with nudity at all. But this was just porn. Donald spokesman had no complaint and that tells me is called leak the pictures or he told someone to go ahead and put the pictures out there so when I got the return I was Literally shooting a picture with my Cell phone of mar-a-lago from across the waterway My phone buzzed and my daughter. Said urgent. You know you gotta look at your email and I think to myself to things. Is this real and as anybody else have it? And what that returns showed was an enormous income almost three million dollars a week and a tax bill. Thirty six million which is about twenty two twenty three percent of his income however included most of the tax being from a backup tax system called the a. m. t. take away the EMT and his tax rate was less than three and a half percent. That's an important number. Because the poorest half of Americans who file tax returns their tax rate that year was more than three and a half percent just a little above it. Their average income was three hundred dollars a week. Donald's income was almost three million a week so he wanted to be taxed less lightly he called for eliminating the EMT so his policy was to be taxed more lightly than the poorest half of Americans and the AMT's alternative minimum tax tax right and the particular portion that applied to him is called the refundable emt so Essentially in the next year or the next two or three years he would get back. Eighty five percent of the taxes that he paid but not realize anybody would know that when I called the White House or email the White House Sean Spicer. I immediately focused on the A. M. T. and if Donald Donald's reaction to that where he went ballistic tells me that he thought he was going to get you know. Mead write a story about hey made a lot of money paid a lot of taxes and he didn't know how new taxes that I would point this out. That's a little surprising given that I tried to give tax advice. And he couldn't follow it because he doesn't know anything about anything but especially taxes even though he claims to be the world's greatest expert on taxes. What made you decide to give the story to Rachel? Manno while I didn't. That's that's not what happened. We published it at DC report DOT Org. And then I became. What's known in the trade is the get you WanNa get the interview with somebody and my friends and I do. Dc report were basically. Volunteers is a few people salary. I put money into it and we discussed where to take it and we agreed that if I went to the times it would all be caught up in the times editing process and take days and somebody would break the story that we had to go to TV. I wanted to go to Lawrence O'Donnell Because he does no taxes Order CNN and Rachel was certainly a possibility and and unanimously You know the guys in my team said you gotta go to Rachel. She has the audience and whatnot. And then Rachel was criticized for seventeen minute opening monologue watcher. Every night she does a seventeen. Mama want minimum every night and then there are these people said. There's nothing they're lying. Tell us any journalist. Who said there's nothing? There don't know what they're writing about and there are lots of journalists who accurately quote people but have no idea what they're writing about and these journalists didn't call me journalists from Germany and Japan and Spain and all over the world called me. American journalist did not why well this also happened did the making of Donald Trump when I get interviewed and I've done a dozen interviews this week with foreign journalists. You know they've actually read the book. They asked smart questions. Generally not always but generally American journalists the questions like why am time to read your book but I understand you know. You don't like trump i. It's just it's appalling the standards that we've allowed to sink. It's because the money's gone. I mean there was a time when the LA times national correspondent flew first class. You know you'd be lucky today to get a coach ticket at a discount to go somewhere. Well let's talk a little bit more about it's even worse than you think it is. The other side of the story told in your previous book the making of Donald Trump the Michael Wolfe book fire and Fury. It is instead exploring who trump is and what his allies say about him and the new book explains what the Administration is doing to damage the government our income health and safety. But I WANNA talk about trump's work ethic because you write in trump's first two hundred days in office he spent sixty five days more lago his New Jersey Golf course or trump tower. That's almost one day in three. And that's continued by the warming three so the taxpayers are footing. The bill for this. Why isn't there more outrage about this in Congress or the Senate well Donald has never been a guy? You'd call a hard worker. And we now know He. He puts in essentially a five hour day minus lunch and spends hours and hours watching on television to see what people are saying about him The people who I championed in my books the bottom ninety percent who have real grievances. He's the person they still believe is going to save them. Why David because they don't understand that putting Goldman Sachs people in charge and passing a tax bill basically a shopping list for Goldman Sachs clients and removing job. Safety inspections and things are not in their interest because they don't follow politics closely. They're not dumb. Sit Down and a blue collar bar and watch a messed up. Play BASEBALL OR FOOTBALL. And listen to the analysis of people in my goodness. These people know how to analyze this stuff that just not connected politics. And they've bought Donald's Khan and it's very hard for people who've been conned to admit they were taken when you have to say I was dumb. I got taken to yourself not to the rest of the world semi came in that. Yeah we have people in prisons people have written about who just went onto horrible things because they wouldn't admit that they got taken And then there is this core of people which I suspect is based on the social research between a quarter and a third of Americans who hate the civil rights movement. And you know they don't WanNa sit next to Latino on the plane they don't want an Asian in the cockpit and God forbid they don't want to report to a black woman boss and Donald their champion. He's their hero and I've been surprised at some of the people who've come up to me including wealthy educated people who've come clean and say well whatever you're right you know the Donald Right and I go right about what Enron about about that. You know I have you know those people. So he's exposed the underbelly of this country. He's exposed a lot of people just can't come to terms with the civil rights movement they do not believe we are all created equal and remember the day that Richard Nixon resigned. I covered his resignation. twenty nine percent of Americans still supported Nixon. Donald Trump will never resign. He is not a Patriot like Richard Nixon. Much as I don't like Richard Nixon policies and all the things he did wrong at the end of the day. The man did the right thing for the country he resigned. Donald Trump is about Donald. He's not about America if he is removed from office and not tried and convicted criminally incentive. Prison he will tour the country for the rest of his life. Fomenting violence and revolution and attacking the government. And the way you know that is what did you during the campaign. He pointed out people in the crowd and said beat that person up. I'll pay your legal bills. And he didn't do it just once he did it again. And again and began in various different ways. You state that. There is a single factor that defines Donald Trump's presidency making it unlike the forty four administrations before be they great middling or corrupt and this is one of your lines be they great middling or corrupt. The president's past all shared trait missing in the trump presidency. What is that factor? Who's an effort to somehow make America better to leave behind a legacy that things are better now? Arthur Chester Arthur. Totally corrupt New York politician. Who became president by accident? He was vice president called in his crooked cronies and said you're never darkened the door of the White House again. I'm the president now and he gave us the Pendleton Civil Service. Act of the things. Donald Trump's presidency is about Donald's ego to the Gore fixation of Donald. And as Tony Schwartz. Says you know he needs to be adoring to him? You have talked about how this fake news movement that we are now contending with is actually not that new you've talked about how for the last forty years. There's been an honest effort to discredit honest journalism in this country and promote dishonest journalists. Hello serious effort to to to attack on this. Journalism Arafat called an honest effort. Okay serious effort Why why is this happening? Well you know. Journalists aren't in the business of being liked. Were in the business of telling you things that are uncomfortable. Powerful people don't like things When I reveal the how Jack welches retirement package worked and did the economics of it and it wasn't even a long or prominently played story. It was so devastating to him that he immediately wrote a piece in the Wall Street. Journal saying I'm relinquishing all of this. And some people he said don't respect contracts I just described his contract then respecting it but the shareholders should know should know what he was getting because it was totally at odds with his public statements and it was hidden from them. And so I don't do this to be loved. You know I mean there are people who will tell you. I'm the guy that I can say from life in prison. We'll tell you what a great guy I am but there are plenty of people who will tell you that they hate me with a passion and that doesn't bother you know know you do. What's right you do what you believe is right and what in my business you can prove his true if you can't prove it you can't print it. Do you envision a time when Washington will ever be truly accountable to the people again? Yes if we get rid of the current campaign finance system. I've interviewed over a hundred congressmen and senators. They all hate the groveling and the begging for money They know it's inherently corrupting. But they're all risk versus. Economists would say they won't change it You know we're we're going to overtime human beings progress but as monty python said. There was the Dark Ages We can slip back into very bad things. And if American citizens are vigilant if they start paying attention to their government being as involved in politics as they are in the last scrimmage and the football game we'll have a better congress teeth. Feel optimistic about the future. You can't be the father of eight children and Modern America. Not Be a total optimist. I'm the long haul. I think that we will do very well. I think we'll become more prosperous but we will not be as well off as we could be. Because for example trump is abandoned the Pacific and China has filled the vacuum in his orienting the Pacific countries away from us into China will speak at length about this yes. Japan has made a huge trade deal with the European Union. That trump was you know off doing. Oh please glorify me in Poland at the time and and so we're GONNA pay some long-term economic prices for these things the question I think we face is Donald trump nominally. A mistake that we're going to recognize we're GONNA correct and that correction means we're going to remove a lot of people from Congress who are supporting him in November or is he the beginning of trend and will people without donald deficits in terms of making things up and his personality disorders. Come forward and move us into becoming fascist country in which you're gonNA lose your individual liberties and Donald. Trump clearly has no regard for your liberties. We're GONNA find out real fast. We got to elections coming up. Eighteen and twenty and I'll be glad to tell you on the day after Election Day. Either one of those two elections depending how it goes but certainly by the end of the second whether we're going to have a brighter future or a very dark future and ceased to be a beacon of liberty around the world and for all of our flaws and we got plenty of them whether we're going to continue the progress to a noble the human spirit to see what human beings can accomplish if we free them up and provide them with the liberty to make the best themselves that they can David. I'd like to close the show with a quote from your book the making of Donald Trump. You wrote whatever. Your views become deeply informed. The founders believed that knowledge and reason must be the cornerstones of our representative democracy if we are to govern ourselves so spend time learning and then do your duty as a citizen vote at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is who turns out to vote. David Kay Johnston thank you for these wise words and thank you for joining me today on. 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Rock Candy Ep. 68: Daniel Johnston - Accidental Puns

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Rock Candy Ep. 68: Daniel Johnston - Accidental Puns

"Good does every body. Good news. Everyone. And you should feel bad. No, we're not Farnsworth here. We are. And we're not we're definitely nutzoid Berg either. Or are we? Sometimes sometimes sometimes, but we do have good news anchor news big exciting news here at rock, candy podcasts. Yeah. Two. Did that work? We did it. We're the pantheon networked. Yes. We are the pantheon network, formerly rock and roll archaeology, and they are home to many RAD fucking podcasts that we actually listened to know pretty good. One of them being muses, formerly muses and stuff. A lot of people are changing their names, we aren't. But yeah, definitely check them out. They're great. They talk about the like muses of rock and roll the people behind the people agree to Sung's of our in artists and just in general, they have some they just put out an episode onset of Nancy. Oh nice. Yeah. To listen to win. What those hot hot? But also a home of final snob rock and roll library. And that's a really good one. She did a few months ago about oh my God. I'm the worst Germer from whole. Oh, yeah. And it really made me Courtney love very name. Hard. But she reads the books talks about them a great in general, though, we are really fucking excited to be a pros network. They have so many great shows, and we're insanely flattered that someone things. Good enough to be on a network. Yeah. I noticed. The big news of the day, some fucking notice those, and I think it's pretty awesome news because I am very excited to be part of little group buys gap is quickly growing to. Yes, they are. Yeah. They're definitely which making their strides, and I'm very excited about it. Good news for all of us them in you, guys. I mean, honestly, if you like us, and you should why are you if you don't like us. Yeah. You definitely need to check out pantheon. You can check him out on their website, WWW dot rock and roll archaeology dot com. And it you get all the permission on all the different episodes or shows that they have in check them out because everybody's really good. And if listening to I assume you like music and they dig into other different things fucking come on. We need more music podcasts. We need more love for the music podcasts. Because. Without without music. You wouldn't have podcast bitches period. Right. Fight me. I guess it's a fight me kind of night. A fight. We. Okay. That's fine. We can rule with that. Yeah. You got that? All right. Good for. Yes. We are part of this network now, please go and support them. They are amazing. And I mean, we're mazing on it. And clearly and by by supporting them, you support us in it's nice little group effort. Hell, yeah. I like that. But anyway, you know, so okay, good news over. Let's let's get into our episode. Oh god. That bad. Oh, no. It's it's been interesting one. Oh, I've been looking forward to this. Well, we did say it was the counterpart to last week's. But before we should introduce ourselves for podcast. You're weekly treats. Sweet. Treats of music stories. I'm your entire Turpin real. It's all fucking tired. I did the math. I got sixteen hours of sleep throughout the entire weekend. That's basically how much I sleep on good. Whether I'm partying or not. So it's not great. No. But you're also sleep until like, noon, all my God. I'm so good eleven hours. I'm the best sleeper. I luckily I love to sleep. But I can't sleep that long. I hate it. I'm maggie. And I love to sleep hate it. I hated it. And that's actually manually. No, I love sleeping, but I hate being able to sleep that much. God, it's the best. It's my best superpower. Stupid power. Yeah. It's quite superpower. I'd say the stupor power, but in continuing with the mental health awareness month because last week we talked about Wesley Willis. Yes. Schizophrenic musician, unfortunately passed away. Hopefully, you guys have listened up and also gone ahead. And listen to some of his music if you haven't yet, it's very interesting. It's definitely. Some fun stuff. So I would say this week is kind of like what like the opposite side of the same coin. But yeah, I guess you would say the other end of the spectrum or it's a very similar story with different different surrounding circumstances. Okay. I guess. Okay. I guess you could say that. Sure. We'll do that. Then let's say that. Yes. This week. We're gonna talk about Daniel Johnston. Yes. We are who's a fascinating guy. His story is Curry's Arisi. And I guess we should shout out. My main source of information from this week, which was the documentary the devil and Daniel Johnston, which if you haven't seen it yet. You should go see it in like two thousand six I think it's fascinating. And it gives you a really in-depth look into the life of somebody. That has schizophrenia and depression and bipolar disorder. Oh, who is also a musician blue, so oh and. Daniel he really liked film to so starting when he was really young he filmed, everything all my God, his entire life is basically either on film or on a tape recorder. Like you tape arguments with his parents and use it as like inspiration for music. Wow. So this documentary has those on it all my God. It's a fascinating look into somebody with this kind of mental illness. Wow. And the people that surrounded him with because they don't really talk to Daniel directly. They talked to his friends and his family, and that gives you a different side to it. Because everybody that they talked to was on the outside looking in right and had to deal with all of the courageous Chit that he went through to be a musician. So very fascinating, very good movies. So go on shit, but don't watch it right now because I'm gonna tell you about it. But I'll give you the meat and potatoes. The broth. Also the beer. Yes. Also. But mostly the beer that is the company this week is called life. Transmission keyboarding transmission live transmission from flying monkey craft brewery. It's his the milkshake I've with the worst description ever, it is it is a lactose. What was it? Oh, it's all here. It is. It literally says it's pulsing with rich lactose waves who. You want the rich life because I'm feeling of actually it is a very good IP delicious. But also terrible description, then like all about these milkshake IP's lately, I think I've enjoyed going like all fucking weekend. Another thing I need to stop to I need sleeping more injured. King lists milkshake IPA's. Yeah. But dying they're delicious dead now. But anyway, we can get into this shit a rate now, let's tune in now as the canned of beers telling us to do we can't. Oh, man. But why live transmission, oh, actually, I thought it said love transmission when I got it wanted to call you out and got it home and realized that did not say love transmission? But let's pretend does. But also the flying monkeys. But also flying when keys because he has a couple of songs that reference monkeys and also so many of his songs reference loved and all that shit all about shit. So that's why I got it. And then I realize it doesn't say love transmission. Great. But whatever I'm not going out and buying another one. Yeah. And I mean, this is good. I'm glad we're drinking this hitter. Daniel Johnston was born in Sacramento, California to Bill and Mabel Johnson Johnston. I'm going to do that a lot. Yeah. I mean, I was doing a lot and you got to crush me on stingy stone. But grew Jones stone. When he grew up in the countryside of West Virginia, he was six years older than his four siblings. But they treated him like a true baby brother pampering and doting on him and making sure he had a really great life Laney, which is already of vastly different. Childhood than Wesley Willis. Yeah. You have a very pampered. Young white boy growing up in West Virginia as opposed to a young black boy growing up in the projects of Chicago. Yeah. So which one is going to fare better in his adolescence. Yeah. Yeah. His parents said is I q tests when he was young and realize he was extremely smart. So he was put in all the honors classes, but he was a difficult student. He never listened to his teachers in never follow the rules. His mom said he felt like I'm artistic I shouldn't have to do these things in headed defiant attitude about everything I was wondering maybe had some opposition device disorder. Yes. Will your armchair diagnosis here? Yes. I mean, literally, I am an artist, and I'm diagnosing him with OJ D. Yeah. Are you going? Using music Todd catch tag. I'm so tired. Oh my God. Isn't even drunk episode. This is tired old retired. The only thing that really held Daniel's. Attention was anything artistically, creative drawing music and film fascinated him to a point of obsession back. Then film was what he loved the most. And we're kind of lucky because he filmed everything like before he also made daily all your journals that still survive in that gave us a huge insight into his life, his thoughts and his mental illness, so Dan's artistic ability made him in art star at Oakland high school where he was also in the marching band. He and who. I was marching van, but I had no choice if you're in van of my school had to be marching band. Yeah. I think you an pain goes same goes for my high school, but we had literally one parade a year. So and we didn't have like sports teams. You didn't have to do that. Hated it. He and his BFF David Thornberry's started doing art together in Daniel conceived. The symbols he draw over and over again for decades. The I was drying of giant blue eyeball with red nerve endings trailing behind it. This would become his intro calling card of sorts which he called the dead dog's eyeball cross kinda gross. But the popped up everywhere even all over the highschool walls. Oh my God kind though. Yeah. Good for him. Yeah. That will come in the wisdom that will come back to haunt him. Later know, there's this one sketch called Daniel. Johnston's symbolical, visions that is described as the Rosetta Stone of Daniel's drawings. There's Jeremiah the innocent, which is the post be a frog. But actually kind of looks like chrome from REO real monsters, all my. There's a limbless female torso. A scalped male boxer with an empty head cavity and flying eyeballs and others. These images had to have some significance because they pop up in his art throughout his lifetime like constantly through high school. He lived at his parents basement that was filled with stuff upon jaw upon stung where they hoarders. He was a hoarder his parents were not. But he was definitely a hoarder. Ooh. And he used these things to create his in films to promise awarding situation. But leaving with his parents wasn't all it was cracked up to be his never is never as his family was very right wing Christian and Daniels views did not like a line with theirs while his mom was constantly trying to get him to go to church in Levin, quote, unquote, well, rounded life, all he cared about was are in the Beatles. I mean. That's basically church right there. Yeah. The Beatles are basically church. Yeah. I mean, much Americus they are being the Jesus or so Johnson. He wasn't wrong. Not really really wasn't. There seems to be a really big breakdown between Daniel in his parents at this point Daniel is clearly presenting symptoms of what of some kind of mental illness, and he's using art as a way to express his mental state. But when he was in high school this point. Yes. Yeah. I mean, the stuff is drawing the ways acting something going on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There is. But what his parents see is a rebellious young man with no regard for God. There's even recordings of Daniel's mother screaming at him that all he cares about is his quote satanic cartoons while telling him that he's a laughingstock. Oh, which is not how you treat a kid with a mental illness. Right. I mean, I guess they didn't know head hinting. No. And this was like late seventies. Udon? I don't know. But still like if you if you see all of these like weird symptoms in your kid. You've got to think something is wrong beyond the normal teenage angst comes seventies. They wouldn't though that think it's like, especially fundamentalist Christians. Yeah. They're not gonna in West Virginia. Police are going to think like he's like he's doing being rebellious. Pothead kid, and they would found him save. Now. He's doing the dope. This might be also be prime time for things like Xers them's. And like really like it's on the precipice of the Tanic panic. Yeah. So it kind of makes sense that they were just think the devil took him over not that he hasn't mental illness. I mean that would be kinda RAD, but you know, I feel privileged if if state in chose Monteilh trial to possess oh seat my child. Really, what did I two stories? I never have been so blessed hashtag bless. But also tangible wanted this to happen. He intentionally riled up his mother to get a negative reaction from her. So that he could record it and use it as inspiration for his work in also in his work guts. Really funny. Yeah. It's kind of funny this fractured relationship with his parents was what he considered sacrifice for his art because his mother's browbeating did wear on him. That's fair. Doesn't doesn't your mother's browbeating wear all of us. Oh, everyone like what? Especially if you're a rebellious teenager, wherein, jink os and black eyeliner. Yeah. Right. Like mom. I'm just trying to express myself. Stop it. I just want to die my hair blue in where big pants Ryan listen to Slipknot. Okay. That's all I wanted to do in high school in. Apparently that wasn't okay. I also wanted to watch wrestling that wasn't okay either. I wanted to watch him TV in that wasn't. Okay. Yeah. That's the dumbest thing. My parents weren't religiously lemme kinda do whatever I wanted. But couldn't watch him t that's weird. Any teen dating went to college? But he couldn't keep up. He was missing classes and was often confused and homesick. Ooh, started complaining of intense pain in his arms and fingers that was incessant and debilitating, which is apparently a psychosomatic condition when you have a mental illness. Interesting once his parents took him out of college brought him back home his symptoms stopped. He never experienced again, weird very strange that is very psychosomatic. He gave college another go attending art school at Kent state in Ohio there, he found a like minded group of art students that became his friends and allowed him to flourish in this group of friends is a girl named Laurie Allen who quickly becomes the love of Daniel's life. Oh, he rates pages and pages of songs about her follows her around with super eight camera and was totally madly in love with her. But it was. Unrequited? She had a boyfriend in Florida that she eventually married. I was like, boy friend and Florida. That's some bull. Okay. Never mind. They got married. Yeah. And was heartbroken, but you have to understand. They were never together. Ryan, Daniel network, boys. When a girl he was friend zoned. He was very friend zone friends. But I get the impression that his friends. Always kind of knew that mental illness did play a big part in his his whole being right? He was he was the friend that like everybody likes. Everybody loves a hang out with. But he'll develop really intense crushes. And the other person is like will. I don't want to be mean to him. So I'll just kind of like let him think that we're like in the relationship, but we're on. No. But that no that doesn't help us bad because then he never learns how to deal with those motion. Right. And then. When he Neville ably has to face reality. And understand that this was never a thing. That's fucking life crushing. But also to it's sometimes it's hard to be woman. And you're all scared to be honest. So you just yeah. If you go st- it works. Yeah. A hate ghosting entirely her not to do that shit. But sometimes you kind of have no choice. Yeah. But also sometimes you get yourself into this. If you like sometimes you just need to be honest with very beginning. Right. But that is extremely difficult to do. Yeah. On our has take honest, women problems, honest when problems, but also to sometimes get really drunk, and then it's easier to be honest true. I'm condoning a main them it's drunk makes everything easier. So I mean, my life has been a lot easier. Bingo. This was the best. And the worst thing that could have happened today annual while his love for Laurie inspired a hundred songs the loss inspired of thousand more in nineteen eighty. Recorded his first album called songs of pain. Oh, no comprised mostly of songs about love and love lost. Their all simple compositions. Just Dan his voice in a piano. It was recorded on a standard seventies era tape recorder. You know, like the big box thing. Impress those. Onto a cassette tape in like pretty much all of Daniel's albums head cover art drawn by himself, despite how well his personal and artistic life was going at Ken state, Dan's parents took him out of college because they didn't think he was using his time there affectively, which is bullshit. I was gonna say first of all he album signal album art, like Wesley Willis did exactly. Instead, they sent him to live in Austin, Texas with his brother, dick. Dick. Things went fine with dick for a while. They did they always do while for a while. Dato dick bucks to always mucks chick. Always. Dan, go job it asks her world and turn Dick's garage weight bench into a recording studio with an old court, Oregon what he took his weight bench that was in the garage and put his organ on it all made that into his little workspace. That's really cute. Excellent. Dick, wasn't using the weight bench. Zik wasn't using that for dick. Here he pumped out albums left. And right. Albums. Pumping. Oregon's didn't even do that on purpose. Good for you accidental puns Brennan Brown. He was still obsessed with Lori. Alan in writing songs about her for five more album only thaking shit. Yeah. What don't be scared in one thousand nine hundred to the what of whom in nineteen eighty two more songs of pain in nineteen Eighty-three Yip jump music again in nineteen eighty three and the iconic. Hi, how are you in nineteen Eighty-three? Hi, how are you? I'm in love with Lori. But then would stay up all hours of the night recording his masterpieces, which his brother and his family. Didn't like so do keeps them up. Yes. Okay. So. Because it kept them away. Because he kept dick up. Dick pons. So dig basically victim him hoping that would be an impetus for Dan to get a real job in his own apartment. No, no that never works. Though. Instead, he moved in with his sister here. He was allowed to do whatever he wanted and could could make a mess out of his living space which helped him thrive creatively. Yeah. He sister up all night. That's fine. Dick was dick. Dick doesn't wanna be up? All the time. Dick doesn't wanna party all the time part time party all the time. But one night he went out, and you didn't come home. Apparently at some point during the day. He bought a moped and took off not telling anyone where he wins. He actually joined h traveling carnival and didn't have any contact with his family during the entire time. He was traveling. He was off having the time of his life. But his family was wracked with grief, not knowing if he was okay or Dedza. He didn't even tell them that. He was. Just left us misters houses wake. Oh, traveling carnival. Holy shit. That's crazy. I mean, it's kind of cool though, it is though like. Pet and take off with a traveling circus Jesus Christ fantasy rain in the Mackel more Comores like, hey, we're gonna ped- smack Amores song mopeds. I know you Joan. I was like I don't know why making reference fresh she's not going deta someone out. There will get that reference. Though. Eventually the carnival came back to Austin that night Daniel was using a porta potty and someone waiting in line got pissed off that he was taking too long relationships poop. It's it's a called a potty do potty stuff in a potty. Like, what doesn't want them to know? The guy started slamming on the porta potty winding came out the big dude immediately Declan in the face hard. What hard that he's big dick big, dick. Wasn't dick though, who is that dick. It was just a dick. Yes, wasn't capital D. Dick lower. Lower lower case, dick. It left him delirious any do know what to do. So we've symbol through Austin until he found a church in asked them to help him. Oh these hook him to hospital. But while he was in the hospital the carnival pulled away leaving Daniel behind. No. So he had nowhere to go. And no one to stay with. And you didn't really know where you was or what he was doing. No, he ended up in downtown Austin and having across the flyer adorned with drawings of eyeballs advertising show for ban co class. I okay. And remember his eyeball drawings. Yeah. He took this as a sign or something dogs dogs. I remember that there he met the band and gave him a copy of his six album. Hi, how are you? Thank you, also, no album number six. Okay. He didn't even listen to it. But they let him open for them at their next show. And all this was the first real show playing for an audience for some reason that night he decided to forego the piano and instead play guitar, unfortunately, unfortunately, he was really good at Hanno and not very good at guitar. But it didn't matter he had the audience riveted, and he would become more well known for playing guitar after this, and he never really got that good at it. But that was kind of part of his stick is he like Wesley Willis in the sense that it's kind of fascinating to watch him perform. Okay. You don't know what the annual Johnston's going to do right? Right, right. Which was the same kind of like Wesley Willis? Yeah. Okay. It was just the start of dance popularity before. He knew it people in Austin were talking about this weird guy Daniel Johnston in his super. Weird music and nine of bad way. Yet, he was a weirdo. But he was also exceedingly polite, and endearing the most endearing part of him was his sincerity every word out of his mouth in every court. He strummed was heartfelt and genuine eventually people realize all he wanted you to do is listen to his tape and he's copy of. Hi, how are you was completely in totally unique. Yeah, they all have the same songs on them. And but each cassette was recorded individually. Meaning he would record an album on cassette draw the cover our track list by hand give that cassette someone then go home and do that process all over again, just in handed out to a new person didn't realize you could make master Cobb. Okay. I mean, I think he might have done that with his other albums. But I think he did it on purpose with. Hi, how are you interesting? Yeah. That's fucking commitment. So each copy of of that album in the early days was totally. Different crazy, and he recorded these on that tape player. Yeah. Great quality. No, it's garbage quality. Wow. Looking loved it in finally, Dan pounded job at McDonald's. Rock and roll McDonald's. Yes. So he found a job at McDonald's. But he's sucked at it. I mean that makes sense. He couldn't do much on its Lee because he had a mental illness that was still undiagnosed Palu undiagnosed that early twenties. Yeah. About twenty two. Okay. So he couldn't do much. He didn't know how to cook the food or run the cash register, and he wouldn't learn. So he often defaulted to cleaning tables because that was the job that required the Lee skill. It's true. Somehow he managed to keep his job for years. Not that surprised. It's McDonald right now by now he was in his early twenties in this was when his family, I started to notice this something wasn't quite quite right, right? There was the. Disconnect between Dan and the rest of the world in nineteen eighty-five. He was officially diagnosed with manic depression, which is now more commonly known as by polar disorder, right? Eventually. He would be diagnosed with schizophrenia, which I think is it's a more accurate diagnosis. Okay. Like, yeah. I'm sure he does have bipolar disorder to go along with it. But that that was definitely not the only thing. Yeah. It's it's interesting because you have this white guy, I would say privilege, but I guess not necessarily. I mean, she did go off and do should on his own. But he was allowed to do that. Because he always had. His family to fall back on and like catch him when he fell and bring him back home recuperate him in than let him do whatever. He wanted him financially. Then it makes me wonder to counter argument it with Wesley Willis for he's diagnosed like mid to late twenties runs. Same time and just kinda like tossed around from place to place it gets very different experience. But yeah, these are very it's funny that they are so commonly like lumped into the same group together because they had vastly different upbringing. Right. Wesley Willis didn't have anybody really. And he sold his art to make his own money and to keep things going for him. And he relied a lot on. I think his friends who were more than willing to help him out and Daniel Johnston had the same kind of safety net right with his friends, but he had a much more privileged upbringing. He had a lot more. I would say a lot more opportunities like readily there for him. He didn't have to struggle so much with his musical career. Right. And it's it's it's debatable. I mean because west stayed near home. But if he had done what Dana Johnston did and just get up go like with any of his family, even like some of his family. I don't even think would have been capable of really noticing right guy had mentioned like whole a lot of the family had issues. Yeah. And like. Daniels family and friends always head tabs on him. Like he could go off and do some random shift that nobody was expecting. But eventually somebody found him right and brought him back and put him in a institution or something to recuperate him and get him help. And then he would be better for a while. And then put back out into society. Interesting. If you were to watch these documentaries that we used for these two episodes of you would see such a vast difference in how they were treated both socially end, psychologically. Yeah. And the help that they received I almost feel like Daniel Johnston. Probably got more sympathy and Morris systems because yes, she will probably saw him thought. Oh this poor man. Is someone's people would see was meant to some crazy homeless guy need to get away from him -solutely. And that has a lot. To do with looks because you have this skinny like mousy kind of white guy from West Virginia. Right or you have a six foot four three hundred plus pound black man from Chicago. Right. Who kind of looks like he's a little homeless. We're gonna pose as opposed to the white guy who's wearing the sweater vest. Like, we're not a political podcast. Yeah. How ever you can't ignore can't ignore those kind of differences think about it? So he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, but the diagnosis didn't do much. He's still only cared about our music in the rest of the world wasn't even registering to him. And we're at this. So where they treating it was like Seropyan medication. I don't think they were doing anything. What I think he got the diagnosis? And then he just kinda if they dig it him drugs. He wasn't taking them. Okay. 'cause that's arguments. We made he might have been dyke a prescribed drug says he didn't take or it could've heat. He probably was recommended therapy or something like that. Probably didn't do it. Probably not the fact that he only cared about our music kind of paid off because somehow he managed to get on the MTV show, the cutting edge where hosts Peter's rember introduced Daniel to the masses. What he just ended up on it this? This is also like a recurring thing with Daniel is just he just happened to things right place at the right time all the time Dan held up his little cassettes to the camera. And he said, and I quote, hi, my name is Daniel Johnston in this is the name of my tape. It's called. Hi, how are you? And I headed nervous breakdown. I recorded it all. The recognition from being on MTV was immediate all of a sudden McDonalds bumps up his hours to thirty or forty week. Because now they have a star on their hands before they were getting pissed when he would spend work hours talking to customers. But now they were encouraging it. Oh my God. But of course, that she gets a little after awhile wants magazines record companies in Lakewood being the phone off the hook looking to talk to Daniel. So they would call McDonald's to talk to would because Daniel didn't have a foam like. Didn't really have like a legit place. He would tell record companies journalists and stuff. Hey, if you wanna get a hold of me combing, Don like. Colin golden arches van. Then in nineteen eighty six after recording three more albums, Dan. What a bunch of Austin musical wards, slow Austin's, a pretty big music scene to. Yeah. And south by southwest sill at this time was a pretty big deal. So the Austin music awards were things that musicians really vied for right? And there's the Austin city limits the big thing too. So he's in a great location. Right. As far as music owes again right place at the right time. This was pretty controversial. Because there were a lot of longtime singer song writers who actually knew how to play guitar vying for these awards, but this new guy that can barely play wins. Instead, I would say I'm sure that the mental illness played a part in that it could certainly you also look at it like the fact that he could do as well as he did with the mental illness, and that the onus definitely had to inspired a lot of his music. Right. So it was a bit of art. Ristic -ly cultural thing to look at. It's not just like motherfucker was a tar. And I don't know can you play like the four chords and single pretty we you think you deserve like Pat on the booty for that. And I also think get the fuck that. I also think that janea was something that people haven't really seen before. Oh, yeah. Because he he was definitely a pioneer of the new sincerity movement, which was not so focused on music, composition wise, but more more concentrating on housing, you were in your delivery and your Leyritz. And if you kind of tugged at somebody's heartstrings, they're gonna fucking love you, and he did that he was not a good singer. He was very good guitar player. But he wrote catchy little like shiftily. Composed. Pop songs that people really responded to in the lyrics are there. Yeah. The lyrics are there. So people are going to respond to that. Right. The mid eighties dance popularity ramping up. So a lot of new people started planting themselves in his life for better or worse. He focused his affections on someone new glass is did he finally get over Laurie? Not really he never did all even to this day is not over her the one. Yeah. For real he focused affections on someone new glass is leading lady Kathy McCarthy. Oh, they had become good friends in the years since meeting and Kathy always thought there was something incredibly innocent in Djelic about Daniel fair. Yeah. She knew he had a crush on her. So she allowed him to think that they were dating even though in her mind, they weren't stop which is up to that bad. Hi, my name. Hello. My name's name. I'm here with the PSA right now if. Amend is interested in you. But you are not interested in him. Ladies, please don't lead him along cute and innocent. He may seem it's still not. Okay. And that was my PSA for the evening. Please continue on your regular schedule podcast. Even though there was no intimacy in the relationship at four don't say 'cause really dating. No, they weren't at all after two weeks his parents came to visit and he introduced Kathy as his fiancee. Oh, no. I know too far too fast too furious. Yup. Almost things that was too much for Kathy. And she broke things off even though they were never on. But it was mostly Daniel refused to believe it. And he was kinda pulling a C c from Wayne's world. I lost you two months ago. Conract? I don't even own God. Let alone many guns to shape. Iraq. You're not careful you're gonna lose me. Once you two months ago. Randy Kemper also came with being a psycho host bees he was kind of being Saigo hose. All right. Randy Kemper also came on board as Dan's manager. He introduced into a lot of drugs, which was not that idea. Don't do that. They knew the news bipolar at least had to of known. They knew some of his point was diagnosed with schizophrenia. No. I don't think he was diagnosed with that until much later. Okay. But I don't really know exactly when but they knew that he had bipolar disorder people with bipolar should never touch a drug ever. You know, they should alcohol alcohol. They shouldn't touch those things because. No. Yeah. It's not a good idea. Wow. Okay. Dan, started smoking a lot of weed and recruit fuse to play on stage. Then at a butthole surfers show. He was really good friends with the butthole surfers. Oh my God. But who isn't? I mean, really we all are in our way. Someone gave him a hit of acid at this show. No trip was the bad one. Yeah. He had a nervous fuck break. Holy fucking Yolly. Don't do this that this was clearly the breaking point for him because his mental state took a fucking nosedive. Yeah. You don't say. And unfortunately, he continued to drop acid a lot like if you have a bad trip. Why would you keep dropping us? See if maybe you have a good trip. I mean, maybe he didn't think it was bad. It was as bad as was. No, it was or maybe somebody was just like, oh, just a bad trip here. Dude. Again, it'll be fine. Stop it. So that was the one thousand nine hundred six and his friends were increasingly worried about his behavior, maybe giving them acid, maybe giving him acid. I mean, this Randy Kemper guiding. So great, right. What are you doing Randi? Andy. Not only was he acting like a totally different person. But he assaulted Randy Kemper. I mean like, you know, what though branding to him. So it was pretty violent though. He he hit him over the head with a lead pipe and sent him to the hospital with severe concussion. I thought it was like he punched him. No. He's looking a okay recinding that redacting that comment Sunday redaction tact. Oh my God. Then in December nineteen eighty six h early scary incident with Dan's family, happened that change their view of their little brother forever. Dan, win two siblings. Home in Texas to celebrate Christmas. You rive in a manic state and continue that way for hours. Arguing with his siblings, accusing them of teaching their children satanic practices in speaking in different voices. And at this point, his his lake manic episodes manifested in a lot of like religious shit. Like, he he's he's started doing the deep dive into religion and getting really into God. And then when he would get on his manic episodes, he would start accusing everybody of being in in league with the devil and practicing state in his own and the devils coming and all this demons. I mean, we've talked about a little bit with Wesley Willis and in general with people who are. Yeah. People who deal with mental illness in that level of severity. Whether you know, it's like manage oppressive or schizophrenia, it does usually lean towards religious and his whole background is. Extremely religious his own. Parents were obsessed with religion who grew up going to church every single week, and, you know, his mom telling him, he was, you know, Ryan satanic exactly's cartoons were say Tanic, even though they weren't they were just fucking doodles weird. Fucking weird kid. Wiz in a weird good. But yeah. Now, like all of his tangents would would be about saying in and you know, accusing everybody of everybody around him of being demons credential like that. But anyway, he was at Christmas with his siblings and at one point they all make Christmas ornaments. But Dan decided to hang a large number nine cut out. Just a cut out of the number nine. Okay. And also Beatles albums on the tree in real ornament on number nine is the worst beauty, and he was obsessed with it. God fucking, dammit. Yeah. When his brother dick, tried to take the records down Daniel came for him and wrestled him to the ground and broke Dick's rib. Dick, dick thrive. The go-to that but also like. Yeah. When Dan tried to Bom rush. The attic space where his nieces and nephews were playing his sister called the police who took Dan away and escorted him to a bus station. What? Yeah, they brought him to a bus station. That's not how you do with that guys back then that's fucking dealt with it not how you do that God, they all made sure he got on a bus back to Austin in an effort to keep him away from their families and their families safe. So once he gets back to Austin things do not get pet her. I can't have what because you just dropped him off at a fucking bus stations. Just left somebody in a psychotic episode of the bus station. Not probably not one bus ride for everybody. You're the fucking worst. His friend lose black from the Austin chronicle found Daniels the Louis blow the was black a Louis Louis. Spell differently. They'll be other way, not the dick dick not black a Louis black. He found Daniel standing in the middle of the creek slashing water on himself in muttering nonsense about good versus evil baptism a military coup and the government trying to use Coca Cola and Snickers as drugs to take world. He has kids a front. Anyone picked up on this yet? Yeah. Nobody's doing the right thing yet, you know, one. And you know what? We're twist governor back to slightly like politically charged. Wesley will once stood get real weird. They were like no throw them other fucker into hospital. He needs help. And maybe it's because person of color people are like, oh, there's wrong with him. He shouldn't be on the street. He should be on the streets. Then you have this fucking, dude. Danish Johnston this little white boy. And he's like he just weird. Let's just leave him outside. A lot creative genius. You need to let him to what he wants to creative. Oh, but. James your to everyone. Do you think he's not in danger to himself or anyone else because this little white boy? Or is it like what's the fucking deal here? I don't know. I feel like we're gonna get weird comments about all. I'm also very drunken tired guys ache. It's Kim certainly spark debate. But as as far as I'm concerned, I definitely see white privilege in here quite a bit. He was in eighties. When you're trying to St. with two it's like, it's almost like a reverse of it in the sense that this isn't helping him. Right. Like, it's almost like really, you're Suming white. He's fine. Like, but he needs help in. No one's help. Right. And I don't understand. Why people can't look at what he's doing and just say holy shit. But there isn't okay. There's also I mean, it's still the eighties. So there's also a stigma against mental illness people just want you to be able to handle your own shit. Right. And they don't wanna deal with it. So they're like, well, we don't know what to do. Just let him do whatever you want. We'll just find him when we find him. Yeah. That's true. I've had friends with family members who are like that just lens walk around the streets and get it out of him. He'll come home. It'll be better. And it's like that's not. That's not how it works with any of this word. No, no. So the cops showed up in dance friends made the difficult decision to. Finally, commit him. You don't even get a good clap this low clap. Jesus hold. You claps though putting back pocket because because Jeff tartikoff Daniel's friend publicist and new manager foolishly checked annual out of the mental hospital. But why he didn't even give a good reason? He just said he wasn't fully aware of why he was committed in the first place. But don't you think maybe he was committed for reason? Now, I know I'm as manager. I know how mental illness works. He doesn't have it. It's fine. Let me manslaughter to you some mental illness. Oh my God. He probably went in there, immense Flynn, mental illness. But he just felt like it wasn't the right place for Daniel to be that isn't exactly were Daniel needs to be fuck. Granted. He he made it sound like he mmediately regretted his decision, which he should. Yeah. He should I you should feel bad, sir. I don't know. No you, but I want you to feel bad about real bad. You're bad news feel bad. Yeah. So obviously, this was a bad idea in Daniels, delusional, ramblings dot worse. And he would not stop talking about the devil. He always loved the Beatles. But now he obsessively talked about revolution number nine. Oh god. I would just commit him for that alone. Which he believed had something to do with Seton in the number of the beast as did fucking everyone. He threw everything he owned away. Save for his guitar a tape deck, and maybe a few other things, and he started going on each Hooley terrifying. Psychotic state Jeff Daniels parents in his dad alliance pilot flew from West Virginia to Texas to get Daniel and take him back to their home. Once they're in seeing doctors Dan was put on medication for the first time to stifle his manic depression, drugs works, but also made him so sedated he could bear. Get out of bed. Let alone. Right. Sounds or be creative. Because this is back in the eighties. Like drugs were pretty hard core. You basically had like three maybe three drugs that you could use to treat this kind of illness. You have the like tree of different drugs that did slightly different things right for something. Like this. You have now. So you could experiment with drugs because experiment with combinations of drugs. But for the most part, you didn't have a whole lot of choices. And most of them are going to make you lethargic. They're going to make you gain weight, and they're going to make you very sedated to the point where you just don't have feeling just sit there, you kinda just sit there like a vegetable you don't do anything. Yeah. So what's the tradeoff, John? You know? Yeah. It's it hard. If your entire life is being artistically, creative. And now, you don't even have the drive to do anything. What are you gonna do? Yeah. So which one do you pick? But also, you're not hurting anyone or scaring anymore. So he tried to experiment with prescription drugs. Trying to find the right one that helped him, but didn't say his creativity. Meanwhile, his manager, sir. Introducing Daniels music to bands like half Japanese sonic youth. The letter which he became friends with all in nineteen eighty eight. He traveled to New York City with Steve Shelley who's at the time the drummer of sonic youth and others from sonic youth. Also met longtime collaborator Jad fair. Here. He recorded the album nineteen ninety but he recorded the album nineteen ninety in nineteen ninety eight or nineteen eighty eight Jesus, and it didn't come out until nineteen ninety interesting strange, but he recorded that with producer Kramer who released the album on his labels Jimmy discards, which you might remember from our guar episode. That's right. 'cause guar was I. Nine to shimmy disc, Gregor, right? I do remember that also guar commented on our Facebook posts about oh my God. It was the best thing guys. We're kind of friends with Warners, France Cornell. So. Was meeting permanent work and Francis coir. So like, you know, whatever moving on up. Yup. While in New York City dance Rennes got a firsthand glimpse into his deteriorating. Mental state will touring the statue of liberty. Dan was arrested for spray painting, hundreds of Jesus fish on the inside of the statue. Hundreds of them choice, and he recorded the conversation between him and the cop that arrested him, basically, the cop was flake. I could either haul you off to jail or we could he said something like either haul you off to jail or basically you're going to scrub off every single one of these Jesus fish they use spray painted on here. So which one was a he's I'm pretty sure he just scraped them off. I don't know. I don't know. He didn't like serve any jail time. I don't think he was booked. He then had a bizarre gig at pier. Platters records he stood on stage proselytizing at the audience lecturing them about God in Seton getting more and more intense of the show went on. And then broke down crying. Okay. Then he got everyone to sing along to funeral song. Okay. Asong? He had written about going to a funeral in ever coming back. Is kind of scary. Like if I were there. I would be severely worried about him in what was going to happen afterwards after the show. Dan, started fighting with his friends and took off leaving them to spend the rest of the evening searching for him. He was founded a hotel parking lot in New Jersey and his friends didn't give him a choice. They wanted him to go back to his parents house in West Virginia, but the N refuse in ended up staying in a men's shelter for a few days. He was the salted on several occasions there in his friends decided it wasn't a good place for him. So they got him a bus ticket took him to Penn station to go home. They thought they saw him get on the bus. I mean, how you should should've had a chaperone. Yeah. However, a couple of days later, he was spotted back roaming, the streets of New York's got makes sense. Finally, he was somehow convinced return to West Virginia where he was immediately. Institutionalized once out he went to Maryland to record with Jeff. Fair. But once again, he went off his meds and became severely unstable like, no, happy medium post guy, never on his way back to his parents house. He got off his bus too early in the delusional state. He wandered around the streets of war or he was making tons of noise in the streets and screaming about how everyone was possessed by Satan. Yeah. I mean, he's not wrong. It's a little bit true. Yeah. You do have to scream about it. Right. And elderly woman came to her window to tell him to be quiet and this set him off. Yeah. I would he's stormed up to her apartment in pounded on the door screaming at her. She was so terrified of him that she jumped out of her second story window and broke both of her angle. Fuck. Yeah. This is weird on a lot of levels. He was arrested again charged with burglary pleaded insanity and was committed again, maybe we should stop letting him out. I mean, I like forever like maybe like, let him run its course. And I'm not I don't think even scrape the service of how many times he was institutionalized. I'm pretty I haven't yet by nineteen ninety Daniels reputation had grown to the point where he was invited to place south by southwest. They go by now he had started his routine where he go off of his meds for a few weeks before performances because he realized that the crazier he acted during his shows the bigger response got in. Which I get it. But also, don't go off your meds. Right. It's it is. That argument is the classic argument of of our exploiting this man, right? And it's also mental health versus artistic creativity running which one do you choose because he can't have both now not at least not in this case in you know, going off his meds worked at southway, south west. He played only a few songs to crowd of three thousand people and he got standing ovation. Go for him. Dan's father, Bill was at the show in ready to take his son back home on his private two seater plane as soon as it was over build it. No Daniel heads stopped taking his meds. And didn't know that. This would end up being one of the worst and most terrifying nights of his life on Jesus things were going fine as Bill piloted small plane back home. Then all of a sudden Daniel started saying he wanted to bail out of. The plane in the air. Not only was he off his meds. But he had been reading casper the friendly ghost comic books and thought he was literally casper. Oh, no. That's not now any of this. One issue. He is specially liked had casper flying through the air with a parachute in Dan thought. He could do that way it widened cast for parachute. It it was his friends way. He had a friend in the comic books. It is friend had a pair shoe while casper was like lying around him. I don't know. But he had a parachute. Okay. Like the parachute. Sure. One of your arguing with his dad Daniel grab the key out of the engine in threw it out the window. Then he overtook his dad and grab the control sending the plane into a tailspin. Somehow his dad regain control in managed to crash land the plane into some trees, somehow you'd be the shoulda son in Tonga fucking grabs the controls in crash-land. Yup. Wow. Swatting terrifying. What the thought miraculously Danieli? This dad weren't majorly hurt in the crash. However, the plane was a total loss. Oh, yeah. Definitely dance family immediately committed him leaving him in the hospital for five months in his delusional state. Dan, actually thought he did something good. He wanted his parents to be proud of him for crashing the plane. Oh, okay. That's that's so, and there are very few things that will instantly make me cry in this in this world, the first one is seeing animals in distress. Yeah. Those ASPCA infomercials can't do it can't fucking die. Tim channel the second way. The second thing elderly people crying elderly people's bad, comfortable million, really uncomfortable. I feel so bad. I feel the same way when I see the commercials, but in the. Documentary devil and Daniel Johnston when his dad is talking about this incidents. He just person the tears he is sobbing, and I'm like, I can't handle this. So so profoundly sad as you could tell that he was upset that his son had such an illness that this thing happened. But also, it was terrifying. You he was gonna die. Yeah. So. That was rough that was real fucking rough to watch Dan manage to lay low for while after this music was a constant during the next couple of years though in Dan managed to record his first full studio album with the help of friends and collaborators artistic vice was released in nineteen ninety one on shimmy disc records to very little fanfare, but then grunge happens. Yeah. Kirk obain were shirt with the hi how are you cover at the nineteen ninety two MTV video video music wards during their infamous rate meets lithium performance. We talked about this and during our in the utera episodes. I remember that. And then he was like oh God. Oh god. They're going to go into it. And then Dave Grohl just tries to find axl rose wherever can excellent. I got a fucking role. All of a sudden everyone wanted to know what was up with that? Weird frog. Looking guy on Kirk? That t shirt made Daniel Johnston, pretty popular name around the country. Not just in Texas. It helped the Kerbane talked about Daniel's musical to even listing. Yip jump music as one of his all time favorite album. Well, you told me I'm cheating, but you had told me that curcumin was heavily influenced by doubts them. He he really liked Daniel Johnston a lot. He wore that shirt fucking everywhere for him because of this incredible word of mouth campaign record companies started knocking down Daniels door in nineteen Ninety-three the vice president from Elektra records offered to sign him to the label. It was the deal completely unheard of. And I've never heard before heard of a contract. So in favor of the artist. I don't think a record contract like this has existed since that's interesting. They took his illness into consideration. When creating the contract they were clauses saying he never had to tour. He would never be held to any kind of album schedule, and it was possibly the only record contract that gave near complete freedom. So the artists sell then Geffen records gets in on it and tries twelve bit Electra. Oh, he's got a bidding war ninth. Meanwhile, Daniel is still going in and out of hospitals and institutions while this bidding wars raging. He became convinced that Elektra was satanic. Yeah. Because Metallica was signed to the same label. I was like is it Kuzma talent yet? I just said, and I'm like, wow, he was posited Metallica. We're going to find him and kill him. Stop legally downloading their music. It's fine. Now, you're okay. I'm this was well before the NATs go. So being asked fine. Eventually he convinced himself that his manager friend. Jeff was satanic. Also, probably was fired him for good omen. God. It was a hard blow because Jeff had worked so hard for so long to get Daniel major label contract. And finally, it's here and all of a sudden, he's the devil. But also this kind of plays into that. But are you really doing this with Daniels best interest in mind, right? Because you you're trying really hard to get a major label. But is that really what he wants are you just trying to make money? Yeah. This is a very this is really where last week storing this week story kind of takes a very different turn. Yeah. Because Daniel Johnston is now reaching this mainstream success in are they? Giving it to him because they feel like he's worth it or do. They just like the show that he offers, right? I kind of got the impression. This is not the way that the the documentary tried to skew it at all. But I just got the impression that people were kind of taking advantage of him at this point. Yeah. Because he really didn't know any better. He was not in a mental states where he could understand that he wanted to major label. They wanted any of this stuff. So I got the impression that people were just making all of these decisions for him and also not not really taking their his parents wishes into consideration either. 'cause I'm sure his parents saw a very different side to him than his friends did because it's friends got to see like the placid Daniel Johnston a lot. Where I think his parents mostly saw manic Daniel, Johnston has anytime something bad happened. They shipped them off to his parents interesting. So. I don't particularly get the impression at this point that everyone had his best intentions in mind. They were thinking cash cow cash count. If he gets bed Senate back to his parents. Right. Okay. And look we got these amazing terms with this record contract that nobody's ever heard of. So if shit goes down, he goes nuts. We ship them back off to West Virginia and everything's fine. He'll be in to allies five months from now. We'll get him back in the studio if he goes crazy. We'll just do it all over again. That's definitely one the exploitation. I could be completely wrong about that. I'm sure people would argue that I am completely wrong about that. But that was just as the mighty mighty boss owns once said see impression that I get. Nice. Yeah. God in nineteen ninety four less than a year later. Daniel got new manager in signed to Alantic records his album fun was released on September. Twentieth. Nineteen ninety four it was mass mellitus appointing. Oh, no. And it only sold five thousand eight hundred copies. Do not great two years later in one thousand nine hundred sixty annual was dropped by Lantis. Oh, no one's surprise. Yeah. His popularity fill off a bit since he was dropped by land. And he returned to living with his parents in creating music privately for the most part. But don't think he hasn't been busy. He's fit his time touring extensively around the world playing to audiences that still revered him for his contributions to outsider music and the new sincerity movement. Seriously, a lot of people have never heard of him. Right. I mean, but the people that have heard of him. Oh my God. He's like a God to them. I think it's funny because you, and I are we're on the opposite sides of the. Coin in this. Because like I came to you is Will's nearly who's was well, you come to me with Dino Johnston, and I'm who's Daniel Johnston here like, but you're right because both both artists have their camps. I mean, we just last week loads of people do know who else Willis's like I fucking rubber. And I'm willing to bet once comes out there's going to be loads of people like, yeah. I remember like this thing Charleston moment. So it's anything a lot of people in our generation know who Danial Johnston is. Because of nirvana probably that's the reason. I know who he is. Yeah. And that's the interesting about like, the outsider movement is like you probably know at least one artist that has contributed to that. Yeah. And the funny thing about the outsider movement is that it kind of truly is an outsider movement because you have all of these different artists that are part of it. But they are so individual. I I know who. Johnston's. But I couldn't I couldn't have told you anybody else. So is part of outsiders movement movement. Exactly. And that ain't here. I guess this truly what it's about like every each one is so individual that like they're not even related to the better in the outsider movement. Yeah. It's an interesting so angsty angsty, so such a gossiping island. But I love it love it. You know, man, swimming, alone one of one of my drink goes that time I hear. So he's recorded and released six albums in the last twenty years, Columbus elaborating with various members of bands like glass, I and sparkle horse endeared tick, do you do something to with not the swell season. But like Glen Hansard he stuff with him too. I think I don't even know who that is you to his guy from once. Yeah. That guy. Yeah. I know. I know he they like the small season. Was that awesome city limits. I think it was like two thousand eight and they had Charleston on stage with them had come on. One of his songs, and that's really all. I know Dana Johnston in those point that's pretty pretty old or not old. Pretty new is what? Pretty. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because other artists have had him come on work with that kind of crazy because in the last like OFI like fifteen years, most of what you hear from Daniel. Johnston is other newer artists covering their stuff or doing some sort of collaboration with him. Right. Because a lot of new artists are super inspired by him. It's an interesting. It's very interesting. It's again in contrast to what we're talking about last week. Yeah, it's like throughout leading artists and people who are inspired by Wesley Willis. But the same time they wouldn't cover his songs and they wanted to her like granted, unfortunately, he passed away. If like today, you would have as many artists bringing Willis onstage with them. You know what I mean? Right. I think now in two thousand nineteen if he were still alive. Yanti? Okay. I think they would but ten years ago. No, no. They wouldn't. A weird time. They were very strange and not greet the odyssey of time seriously, though. Yeah. Speaking of in the in two thousand four the double album, the league, great Daniel Johnston discovered covered was released and featured covers of Dan songs by bands like death cab for Cutie bright ice. Tom waits in back again though, where's west we will cover album. Yeah. I'm sorry. I know this is upset Daniel Johnston. But you can't help make the comparison. They have I mean, you can compare and contrast their stories, but you can compare them pretty pretty similar. They're very similarly are similar stories in it's similar timelines. It's not even like the grew up necessarily different of an era, right, but his slake outcome. Everybody is revering Danial Johnston's music so much but ever. Everyone's kind of just ignoring Wesley. We'll that wouldn't even necessarily see ignoring us will is so much kind of like looking looking at him as a novelty. Yeah. And. I think maybe some of that has to do with subject matter because it's very easy to cover a very sweet love song. And it's not so easy to cover a spoken. Word like aggressively spoken word song about care booty hole. Yeah. I mean, but. Desk have Cutie. Why can't you cover an aggressive spoken word song about care Budi whole because I wanna hear you then give her fucking covered the caribou whether it be via death cab for Cutie or that other band this the same band the December is no booking? Just kept for tutti ho serve ass the baby. I mean, you're right though. Daniel Johnson's songs are very like, Sweden endearing. Yes. But also, then you look at him on stage. And there's like there is something unnerving about him. Oh one hundred percent. I don't particularly like watching him perform because it makes me slightly uncomfortable in. I think it should. Yeah. That means that you understand. There's something wrong in so much. Help him. But at the same time watching him perform in the in more recent years, I feel like he has recently gotten the help that he should. Okay. And I think he is he he has found that magical combination that magical elixir of medication that is helping him a good good sedate himself. But also, not be creatively. Stifled right. Which is why he could still perform on stage in still write music still collaborate with people still washing him on stage like ten years ago. It's like, I don't know if he's still enjoying this. Right. Probably I promise owner business is making meaner Vivus right is is why I feel so weird. That's her. You might be listening to this in thinking, you may have never heard Daniels music before. But you probably have any don't even know it in two thousand one target used his song speeding motorcycle in their commercial and more recently. Apple us the story of artists in. Their commercial, which was I feel like a more widely distributed commercial and one that people would know. So if you Google or go on the YouTube and search for the apple commercial with Daniel Johnston. It listening to it, you probably know the commercial or maybe I'll just fucking throw it in right here. All tell us story. That an artist growing. Somewhat Dr fame and glory. Walks. Flour? What do you do that? Only. That is that how you like that like that? Wow. I am very tired drug in. Also, Karen, oh from the AM covered one of his songs in the soundtrack for where the wild things are was it all love may be the secured song. Yeah. If it's that one is a very thongs, a very cute little children choir and everything's sweet. It's quite it's quit. Sweet song. In July twenty seventeen Daniel announce that he had retired from live performance, which may have had something to do with his father's passing. That's also Mabel died in two thousand ten so two thousand seventeen he didn't have any of his parents left. His farewell tour consisted of five dates each backed by ban that were influenced by his music that included built to spill Jeff tweedy from Wilco modern baseball in others interesting. Although we'll never see Daniel perform live music anymore. We may still get to see his artwork at gallery shows nine way back in nineteen ninety four Daniels. Former manager Geoff tartikoff, even though he wasn't talking today. Danial time wasn't giving up on his friend after he was fired. He started collecting every piece of Daniel's our work he could possibly find. Eventually people started contacting him to put on gallery shows. Daniels art since then Daniel has shown are in London. New York in around the world one show at zero one gallery at LA on ninety eight percent of Dan's are sold before the show even opens. And this was the art show that the documentary ended on and they just show him like just putting up all of his little pieces of leg. Loose-leaf? Paper with drawings on them in somebody had fucking bought ninety percent of the show before anybody had even seen it the alright seven's a fan, partly. But if you don't want to wait around for an art show, you can always go to the one restaurant in Austin that commissioned from Daniel a full wall mural of Jeremiah the innocence as the frog that's the frog that we from from a real monsters. The building now houses aids high restaurant called tie. How are you? Done the brusett. How are you? I would go for the pun alone. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I don't even care about Thai food. We should just visit Austin I lay but like also visit Austin to go to tie. How are you? I do it. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, I know we've spent a lot of comparing contrasting him in west. We Willis the here's the both have these fascinating stories. It's crazy how their stories kind of inter we've, but then completely Britain branch off in Lee. Wilbur nation. It could be raised. It could be just like classism. It can be a lot of things. But at the end of the day, I know with both artists people tend to have the argument of wall with their mental illness in all these things is it right to listen to them being exploited. I'm sure like there are times in both stories where you have these artists. Maybe there is exploitation. But at the end of the day, what is it say, if we wouldn't let them perform, you know, what I mean? Right. Isn't that should year? Isn't it shooter say like we'll because you have a mental illness. We don't want you to perform well one point in time when they finally gave him a diagnosis in put him on medication. It was creatively. Siphoning? He just didn't wanna do anything in that was torture for him. Exactly hated that point in his life. And that's what he kept going off his meds because he wanted to be created of. Yes, he had all this shit inside of him that he couldn't get out if he was sedated on all of these drugs. So. It's it's a real fucking catch twenty two because you don't want to tell someone you don't get to be your creative self. You. Don't want to sit on the ones Pronger we tell somebody else that right? I mean, it's not condescending in its own right to tell someone because you haven't mental illness who can't do XYZ. We'll wait. The fuck is that who are we who? Are we the able bodied people that are that have the right to tell somebody that they can't do something be they have a mental illness and this out right Seve it like, we're we're looking at this through our Lund's is we're not looking at this through their lines and willing to do said like, you know, music had kept me out of jail. Daniel. Johnston's just like music is like what keeps me going in living a person, and in vain might need it that specific purpose? So fuck him. I race said an able bodied person make while that's 'exploitation. I mean is it if that's what they want. Into to kind of feel like they had points in their journeys that were they were lucid enough where if they really they were loosened enough to know that they were being exploited if they were being exploited or to have a problem with it. If I knew they were being I mean, here's the thing with both gentlemen, when they got very bad. They were institutionalized. And they were given the help they needed right? So I mean, you do have that aspect to people were trying to look out for them. Right. And I think they also suffered from wrong time period. That's true. The didn't have the resources for mental health that we know that we have now. Right. So they kind of suffered because of that they didn't they didn't have the advances in medicine and psychological technology about a to even the sixties and seventies. They were still using lobotomies to treat shit like that. Yeah. So, thankfully, they didn't get shit like a lobotomy, right? Like, but also who the fuck knows what he went through whenever he went into institutions that could have still have been subjected to electro shock therapy, especially honestly, if you as in instituted West Virginia. Yeah, you're right. Who knows he could have you know, it's interesting I feel like things like mental health awareness. Whether it be something from like depression to schizophrenia, it's all we're still learning. And I think it's been in the recent years that we are open minded to treatment in people who have mental illness alternative trading them in alternative treatments, and just empathy and compassion that you need for it. And I think we need to treat them like they're normal people in, you know, in the sense of lake treat them like humans. Right. Don't treat them like children. Don't treat them like they don't mucking. No. But also like help them, but treat them like humans. That's kind of what I've gotten from both of these stories don't exploit them. But at the same time, let them express themselves with a need to in. However that how it turns out somebody who has schizophrenia to lake degree that Daniel Johnston had it towards present day. It's quite severe variety. And I'm sure he probably has caretakers hopefully and things like that. Because I I don't think he would be able to drive a car go to grocery store by his own groceries and things like that. He probably have to have somebody helping him with those things. But granted I don't know if you just talk to him like normal fucking human being that's only ones. Yeah. Like take a little bit of the stigma away just a little bit. Even if like you've force. Self to take it away. Like, I'm not perfectly. Sometimes I just have to leak some you get weirded at first then you have to stop yourself in fucking people treat them like people right in. I think that's what matters to wants to respect their art. He don't want the did make art and like, that's amazing and whether or not respect it. So I think that's kind of the takeaway is like respect their art carried on and treat them with what they deserve the accolades that they deserve. Also, he recently put out a comic book about space docks. All right here for so go find these space a comic book by Danes Johnston. Do it. All right. We're going right now bays ducks coasts coast. I don't know. Oh my God. What's your thing out? I'm not I didn't really like it that much. Sorry. I love Bracco BreX co is great sweet for Brad. Oh my God. All right. I think this is a good place to put a pendant yet. Knock it out for now. But, you know, thank you for listening. 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Black Week The Full Story

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Black Week The Full Story

"The. long-term list of the channel will be familiar with one of my favorite stories I'm one of the most successful stories here dead man running a four hour epic journey through the underworld when I'm delighted to say that the author Bo Whiskey has given me. Another story of has to read and this time it is a six part brilliant, brilliant epoch story concerned with popular nursery rhyme. Monday's child is fair of face. Tuesday's child is full of grace while up, everyone, you're in for one hell of a journey so once again. It's time to sit back. Relax with your favoring. Listen. Throw Salt Avia left shoulder. Hang a horseshoe and your home for good luck. Never Break Mirror. Knock on wood. Avoid black cats. Don't open an umbrella inside. You very wary Friday the thirteenth. We've all heard these and more? Most of us. Know that they're nothing but silly superstitions. Antiquarians left over from various beliefs fears. By now, much of the world can easily dismiss these seemingly ridiculous ID's without a second thought. Show. People still avoid walking onto ladders. It might not be safe after all. And when something is thought to be jinxed, people might say knock on wood. How many actually do it all believe that it will reverse? Whatever bad luck summoned. It's not smart. Open an umbrella inside. Especially if it will result in getting everywhere. Saying bless you to someone sneezes. Nassar's plight. Still holds onto some of these with an iron fist though. There's an unintended there, but you'll see in a moment. My hometown, which I shall leave on named for privacy. Is that specific town? Maybe. There are more in the world. Show has to. especially in those countries still hold fast beliefs that we find to be follies. But in my personal life, I have never come across anything like it. I don't mean to make it sound as if my hometown is populated with strange or hopefully zealous religious people. And in fact, outdated ideals at cost, certain preventative measures badly shot to anyone who might just be passing through if at all. To a stranger that quaint little town nothing would seem awful difference. It's just a town. Place to drive through if you're taking the scenic route isn't a destination, but a stopping point for the night. To the more observant visitor, it might be considered cute how all the homes are adorned with how old horseshoe on the front door might seem author? Some many of those houses, the also lined with waist high in fences lawn. You might see in another town. Where the American dream speaks of the white picket fence. That town the town I spent my entire childhood. The fences are all iron, and that's what people want. If you pass through it, you might have at one point not even known. He won't see that. The mirrors are covered every night. Prevent the Saul from being trapped while the buddies, asleep. He won't be able to tell us on. Almost every single property is a knife buried in at least the front yard, sometimes the back to for good measure. Most of all you want anyone talk about a brief time period that came to be known as Black Week. He's rarely spoken often when it is. The name whispered only mouth as speaking allowed to. And we'll call off a tragedy to be repeated. The story of black week not only goes back over a century. But he's also not only mine to tell. I am the only one willing to tell it low. If only with the hope that sharing what happened will help get out of my mind long enough to sleep. And dream of something other than death and decay. Spend years where another person might be out to strengthen their psyche after trauma. He would see him I can. That way, perhaps I'm truly I. I can never return to my hometown. I can never find a way to get closure. I will never have all the answers. went to a therapist for awhile told me I needed to go back and face my his confront my inner demons. To those appointments after that. Let me. Take you back to the beginning of the black week that I knew. Wasn't by any means, but it had been avoided for decades and all, but forgotten by anyone young enough to either not live through it being easily convinced by themselves or another that could never would never happen again. I should. Have known better. Kids will be kids after aw. Won't do people do when that's not to push a button. They only want to push that button even more. Do Not Anti Science, only aid urging brave and stupid people to do just that. Enter! And enter the. Georgina. Freeman was the first to be struck down in the beginning of my involvement in the tail. Wasn't the beginning by any means, but before her body was found I was none the wise. It's the events that led to his death and more. Georgina was my friend. We went close by any means, but we spent time hanging out in the same group and got along just fine. She was that gale was absolutely beautiful, and by the time we were fifteen. People differentiated her from the other Gina. Gina Thompson as Gorgeous Jenner. She deserved it to say that I wasn't a little jealous of her. Natural beauty would be lying. Owa! But, what made us not hate her? For the simple fact of her being the prettiest cutting school was that she was also one of the kindest. She didn't see yourself as everyone else did not only added in making her. That much more attractive. I along with my best friend Lindsay would envy her, but agreed that just couldn't hate her typical teenage girl fashion simply because she was too sweet to hate. Her body was found in the early hours on a Monday in the full. She was just outside of a front yard stripped of all clothing. Body beaten unscratched. I wouldn't find out until the room is began the cause of death. Itself was from drowning. I couldn't believe the room at first. But what a statement was announced by the police in an effort to quell those rumors and ones that were much worse. It was confirmed. That Gina had a arms outstretched, lying on stomach, reaching the NBA's at separated her from the safety of her Yaw. She so close only a couple of feet from salvation. Wow I realize much later that she survived that night. It probably wouldn't have mattered. She was already mark. Morning of Gina's death. Monday morning. I was none the wiser as I prepared the school day. I slept in later than I wanted for usual, and was rushing to get dressed and get my things together before heading out the door. Typically couldn't be bothered by anything or anyone when I was in this type of fresh. But my mother knocked on my door softly and asked me to stop what I was doing. Voice caused me to halt and look at her with confusion and concern. They were teasing her eyes, and she asked me to sit down. Mom. What's wrong? I asked taking a seat on my bed. She crossed from the door and sat down beside me. She took both my hands in hers and look me in the eye. On. There isn't GonNa be any school today. She spoke softly. Studied a face, my own, contorted and expression of not understanding what she was talking about. In my mind began going over all possibilities quickly as I could. Wasn't a holiday though I've forgotten about and if it had been, she wouldn't be upset about it. My father had likely already left for work. But. Something happened to him. About my grandparents were they okay. Did I do something to upset my mother. She found out that I smoke pot with a few friends and was disappointed and upset enough to keep me out of school. She was type to blame herself any wrongdoing mistake. The I on my brother made so that didn't see him out of the realm of possibility. Why? Managed to ask amidst the commotion of My, thoughts. Took a deep breath. Foster two weeks mild across our lives. This being. An incidence. Voice hinted at wavering. She struggled to find the proper words to convey what she'd already been told to her hormonal and impressionable teenage daughter. Incident. Is that okay? Spat out. My Body tents and I felt a hand squeezed mining response. Yes! She also quickly. It isn't your father. It's charging. Freeman. I responded with another question. I was beginning to fail. Frantic wanted her to just tell me what the hell was going on. Remember, feeling, impatient with her, but looking back now that I'm older. I can understand hesitation and concern trying to soften the blow. Yes. She was found several hours ago. She's. She trailed off searching. My is I'm pressing lips together fault. She's mom. Just say! I told her. He's Gone Sweetie. She Dye. My eyebrows Farro as I tried to comprehend what she just said. Well understood the words. The statement made grammatical sense. Couldn't get my brain heart to grasp the concept. Confused by said. She took a deep breath before speaking. A body was found outside her home. She was killed. The school called. Everything is canceled for today. They wanted to be sure that all of the students know that they'll be grief. Counselors available if need be, and although there will be no classes. Anyone who wants so needs to speak to someone who's welcome to go down there and tall. But no one's required to be school today, and they edge everyone to spend time with their families in the light of this tragedy. She sounded like she was just repeating facts. Spewing were garbage that have been told to her. My mother usually so caring, the woman who just walked into my room with watery eyes. Seem to flip a switch and talk from a script. I felt angry. This disbelief coiled inside me. I wanted to yell that she was wrong. That was a bad prank. Wanted to laughing face and teller. Acting Supt? It wasn't that I was close to Georgina, but when you grow up with the same people, something like this is just so unreal strange. The can't help haunts refusing. Something in the way my mom's face softened. Now is watch me. Kathleen made me keep my temper in check though. It'd be years before I understood her. Almost robotic speech was simply the only way she could handle saying the words out loud. She was in a state of disbelief as well. My, silent! Staring at half awhile. But didn't know how to respond. I didn't know what to say. I don't think she knew I. Wasn't that death was unknown. The murder of someone we knew. Someone that lives only three blocks away. Someone that I go to school with since first grade, we supposed to properly process that information. Is the coffee. Finally. Even at that moment. I was unaware of how unfeeling and distant that question. What's? Even, let myself worry for split-second, but my mom would get upset by just how mundane and it might seem. She didn't look. I love to four. She only gave another week. Smile barely caused the corners of her mouth to shift a nodded before standing up. My followed her to the kitchen. We sat at the table. Silently, drinking coffee, and still knowing what to say. I didn't want to go to the school to talk to any counselor, but I definitely felt like I needed to get out of the house. So I told my mom that I needed to take a walk and sat out. Bundled up in a large. The I wasn't particularly cold and a slight breeze waft through the leaves that litter. The grounds would have been nice even refreshing on any other day. That day however. I found. I couldn't stay wall. Little did I know. It would only get worse is the week progress? Lindsey left on the next street over which is on the way to the neighborhood park, which was in the opposite direction is house. I can't remember if I decided to go there if my feet just led me in that direction on there. I was so lost in my own head that I didn't hear Lindsey calling for me until a hand, reach out and touch my shoulder. flinched startled and turned around quickly to see my best friend standing there. Wide Look. Hey See. You Okay Jest. I nodded as I drew Nebraska. Yeah just lost in my thoughts I. Guess told her. Lindsey nodded and slowly asked. Where are you going? I looked around. Entirely sure what the talent as I wasn't even sure myself. What I didn't respond rights away. She asked me something else. Want to sit on the swings with me. I it. Sure. We started walking quietly the rest of the way to the par and then to the playground. It was empty has to be expected. Few both to cast seats on swings side-by-side. Did you hear how they found her. Jazz me. No. I shook my hand. She didn't respond immediately I. Turn My head to look at her. Tears were sliding down cheeks and I instantly started chastising myself mentally for some are not even considering the fact, that Gene Lindsey. Brother had been sort of dating. Nick Menzies Brother was a year older than us and as close as Lindy were, nick was close to my own brother as well, Luke, in fact, if not for them, we might not ever have become best friends in the first place. Parents forcing our brothers to bring us along when we bagged be included in their inventions that gave us the opportunity to form such a bomb. Nick Gina spent a lot of time together over the past summer grown quite plucks. It wasn't unusual to see the two of them with Luke into roaming around town, going to the movies all doing other typical teenager things. Like, three peas, and apart, even after the school year started. Linzie confessed to me in secret, but she saw nick ingenious kissing one night after genius spent dinner of their house. Whenever, she or anyone else him. Nick would deny that there were a couple moment. Everyone knew that they were close to being an item. Then they would admit. We speculated why they wouldn't just make it official. But if the question was ever posted Gena, she was just giggling. Say just friend. I knew that despite Gina being around Lindsey's house more often. They hadn't already gotten Clark's. Maybe given more time Gina could have been like a sister to her. Depending on how her relationship with nick progressed, but it just wasn't past the point of being close to early neck. WHENEVER GINA will come up in conversation with their parents even when I was around. They were both tell Nick. She was a lovely girl and they approved. Blush insist they were just friends. Tha that MOM would wink their dad and they were not as if they knew a secret a happy secret. She was naked. All banged up. Lindsey finally spoke through swamps. What I asked schock. Lindsey nodded. Nick is founder. He's really messed up about it. Out. What? I failed to find the right words to form any type of question. My mind was really. Spinning drying to process the information. He. He started to get deep inhale. Filling alongs with as much air, she could help. I don't know why on me. I guess I do. I know why he said he told me. I don't know what to do about it. What are you talking about Lynn's? Should another deep breath and why the wetness from face? You can't tell your brother or anyone I told you okay. Okay. I hesitated a little concerned about what she was about to tell. NICB GINA run in the mornings. They usually meet over on budget and jog to the high school. Then use a track. This morning. He went to Birch, but she wasn't there. So after you waited awhile without her showing. He went over to her house. To that. Like that. Lindsey's voice faltered at the. I shook my head. Okay but. Why can I tell Luka? She said. Not that. Okay then what exactly I asked! Sicily. Do you believe in ghosts. She asked turning to look me dead in the I. Can say ever really thought about it I answered. What about cusses? She posed another question. Gases! Lynn's. The hell you talking about I asked. You know they'll go story about the day. Rhyme, which is right. Lindsey spokes. I, not not understanding what any of this had to do with me. Call General Link. Set Legend. Every kid has about. Spooky story told to keep kids from wandering too far into the woods. What if it's not just a story? She sat quickly. Lindsey! I began, but was cut off by the look she was giving me. I decided to just listen hope. She would connect the dots quickly, so I could understand what she was getting A. Nick had to give a statement to the police, and they accompanied him home to inform our parents of what had happened. He didn't tell any of that what he's helped me. I was asleep when all of this happened, but once I woke up. That told me what happened in said that school had already announced that be casting classes today. He said that he a mom would stop by the freemen's home this afternoon when they still have to go into work. He may show I knew that if anything happened Taw a file nick needed either one of them to just call they come. Out on next door and asked him if I could get him anything. He didn't really respond. Just granted so I, left him alone. Dowse task sort of days and made some coffee. I didn't know to. Still don't know what to do. Not long after that Nick came downstairs and hug me. I'll surprised but I just hugged him back and asked me if I could do anything. Yes if you could tell me something that I wouldn't tell mom, dad or anyone else. I of course told him he could. We sat down on the couch. He was cry. And seems scared of something. Lindsey paused at this point. And I prompted her to continue. Was He Scott. He, still, sketchy? I don't know if he's ever could not be. If what he said was true. I'm scared to, she said. Scared of what? She looked at me for a moment. Then told me what Nick could explain to her. At first, he mumbled shipped over his words. Talking about how the body was found. He said that she was so close to the fence. If you'd only have gotten inside. She would have been safe. He kept repeating the. N was safety. Something about a case. I couldn't follow his train with Philip finally. He made me promise that I would take care of mom and dad when he died. I wasn't sure what to think of this, but I promised. It unsettled me that he said when instead of if. The entire question on settlement really. But gave him what he asked. That listened to what he say. Five of them. Nick Jean Luc. Armor and Danielle all went into the woods on Sunday. I'm moved here last year and convinced him to go out there. She'd heard the legend of the day rhyme which is decided that she needed proof. said that she did that kind of thing all the time, so they went out in search of the grave near. Nick said that there are no trails that lead to it. It was hard to find. Took all afternoon and all evening to finally come across it. They started with a trail that leads to the lake itself. And then what along the shore weaving in and out of the treeline in such sign? In the story. Everyone says it's a graveyard. But what Nick said, he found with something more like a small plot of land fest off with an iron cage. It was tone. Taller than any of them. Coming over the heads in closing the entire section. Coveting leaves him fines. The grass inside was dead. The term he used. Data than dead. He said it wasn't lie the changing of the season and everything. It was if the grass there hadn't grown in decades and just sat brown and yellow flat against the. Was a gate in the fence with a large law keeping shot. Lock hadn't been touched for years maybe since it was first built even. A would sign hang on the front of the gate. The said stay out. Stay away. Old fashioned script. It was almost two faded to read. After harsh seasons so much time it was rusted through in Daniel, decided to be a show off an attempt to pick it. He was successful and open the gate with a loud screech of the old metal, Nick said they all had to cover their ears, because it sounded like the gate was grating against itself inside of their heads. Once it was opened they all dad were another. Go inside. The End Leo went inside. And despite the gaps in the Baas. Next, set that. Sound ceased. It was as if they'd stepped into a soundproof room. Stuck his head out of the doorway and heard the normal fire sounds. When he pulled it back in. He could hear nothing. There were no gravestones on Marcus for each individual grave. But the outlines of seven hulls easily distinguished and a single stone slab late senator, the head of the Senate's. It read. Lies which. Let them burn for their, sins and transgressions. That demons feast on that damn selves for generations never give respite for that crime. The name of our Almighty. God Now dea. When they got close to the stone. They could see talk. Something carved into it obviously years later. said the smaller message looked hastily done and was worn away mostly. But. They were able to make out the words forgive. All examining the single market use for all those buried there. Dan You read, the original was allowed in a booming voice. They all stat at him. Annoyed, a little, surprised and confused as to why would do that? No one noticed our was smiling until he finished and she added. We you the fury of how? My you never rest off. Find Peace. Wait? I interjected. That how the GHOST STORY GOES! Someone is supposed to say that beckoning the witches to rise from their graves and try to exact vengeance for the deaths. Lindsey nodded solemnly. Yes. And as soon as spoke, those words Knicks at the ASS seem to change. Docked by that time, he swears that bright orange and red lightning fill the sky from. He wanted to demand why our say that. But didn't get a chance. None of them. Fonda resounding through the sky, and their bodies, and they found vibrations in that bones. The ground began to shake mauling. Wailing began permeating the. Starting softly then growing and further and intensity. Given the entire situation you'll felt panicked and ran. The dotted out of the I N K so quickly that they left the GAITO. That's when the storm happened. Nick said that in town wasn't so bad. Even now. Everything is already dried. In the far so he said that they ran through sheets of heavy rain, and the constant glove, lightning and barrage of thunderclaps. taught him then. I didn't remember being that bad of a stone. He said that it was only that bad in the woods and around lay. Once they got back to town, they all laughed. Try to convince each other and themselves. They just put themselves in the spirit of things. He said he even really did believe that it was simply that is messing with him and recapturing the scary feelings. We all found his little kids hearing the legend. Didn't keep him from sleeping or enjoying the rest of his night. But then this morning. He found Gina Debt. After. He told me about it. He kept mumbling about how he will be one of the seven and how Gina was. Monday's child. That of course gene was Monday's child. He wouldn't say much more after that. Kinda just drifted into a quiet mood instead blankly into the distance. When? He wouldn't respond to anything I said. Tried to process what he told me. And that's when I saw you walking down the street. We Sat in silence for few moments, both trying to make sense of Nick's story and what had happened to Gina. Finally, I asked. Do, you believe. You think they really set the ghost of those witches free. I don't know she shrugged. The older people like my grandma tell stories about being plagued by ghosts when they will. I never really believed him. Now. I don't know what to believe. Why now is if it were real? The Nick and the odds are in trouble. The which is a set to kill those who some of them first before moving onto Ollie's. See! What if Nick dies. Japan sobbing once more I stood up and wrap my arms around. I didn't know how to comforter. I didn't know if I wanted to believe in something I considered silly ghost story. was entirely possible. Georgina was just the victim of a horrible and tragic crime and show. The timing was impeccably bad and strange. But what if it was supernatural? Just wasn't sure putting any type of stock into telling something like that made any sense. Didn't want to give a real murderer someone flesh and blood any less blame than they deserved. Let alone, shift any of that. The supposed ghosts witches. Johnston was a bit of an outsider to begin with. Shows a teacher at school, a history teacher to be exact and she was never in with the other teachings. Even, the students could see how much on edge she was compared to the other teachers. When you work with the same people for a while. He built a sense of camaraderie and even friendship with some of your coworkers. Teachers could often be seen in the whole exchanging greetings laughing over something that had happened when they went out as a group to relax. Shailene Johnston was never one of those teachings. Sometimes, even wondered if she noticed how appears reacted to her presence. Rather. I should say they lacked reaction. Just as the planet's gravitate around the Sun. Charlene Johnston was like a style that had no gravitational field whatsoever. She was art show until black week began. She was simply someone that no one really thought abounds. Now after the years that have passed, people probably don't think much if I once again, if at all. I can never forget her. Claim that I ever knew Miss Johnston very well that I want it. When she was a teacher, I was a student. Extent of US getting along with cup I simply wanted to pass a class and eventually get out of high school. I consider a bit quirky with a frequent visits to the antique shop. Lime Green vintage glasses complete its blue beaded chain. She was easier to deal with many of teachers, and in hindsight I can see that she was guarded but gentle. and. If not for the box ritual, the five kids it performed. I never would have found out just how giving is Johnston Watts. Or why she was so God. School resumed on Tuesday with everyone in a Samba state. Some teachers attempted to hold regular lessons, but overall I. Don't think much was done in any class. If you looked on the outside as if work was being done. Was All in the state of autopilots. Not Actual learning or retention of information. If. You were to ask me what I learned in science or what? We studied math. I wouldn't be to tell you a damn thing. It just wasn't important. Especially with the story that Lindsey Chad with me, and it was still rolling around in my mind. I did learn something though. But nothing unusual in an academic way. The announcement was second. Death was made during fourth period just before lunch. It only served to prove that. Low mood of the students and teachers could be brought that much lower. The principal. Typically, friendly and happy matinee Mr Keller. Didn't include the name of the person who died, but that didn't matter for very long. Room is already flying by the end of with UNCH. Period. And everyone seemed to know Alma Hawker. Who just moved here with family just over a year ago. We'd pain with Gina. Nick Luke Daniel. ALMA. WHO had Ashley? Group according to Lindsey to visit the cage gravy. ALMA. Baited the spirit of the witches to rise up and take vengeance. It didn't take more than five minutes for Lindsey and to sit down before our discussion turned to be one of the day. Rhyme witches curse on our town. We spoke in hushed tones, not wanting to share our words with anyone else. As, we were speculating. Why am was the second today? When she was the one who spoke the words, Kyle out him. Sit himself into the seat next to Lindsey. kind of eat that. Lindsey pointing at the opened Batty touched chicken salad sandwich. That sat in front of her. She shook her head over to him. He took a large by. On we watched him in disbelief. Wasn't exactly a close. But since he had his own car while Lindsay shared one with Nick and I had to borrow one of my parents 'cause. We had spent quite a lot of time around it. Live next door to me and would regularly give me a ride to school, if naked decided to take the car and do whatever before heading to school. It all gone to the same middle school, and now high school and being neighbors. There was a sort of common ground that we shared even though we typically didn't run in the same circle of friends. Last mouthful of food. Aroma is at the root display. Did, you just come eat my food. Lindsey, asked him. He chewed and swallowed before speaking. No. was wondering if you needed a ride home today. I was planning on working out here for a while. But if you need a ride, I can always work at home, he said. Lindsay and I confused looking I. Why would you think we needed right? You didn't need to bring us this morning. I didn't know. Nick will be back to pick you up or not. He shrugged and took another mind the sandwich. Nick. Didn't bring. He stayed at home today Lindsey ostrich. How disarm getting into your car and leaving the parking lot? Cal said now becoming a bit confused himself. He walked. Lindsey and I said in unison. Kyle twitch slightly taken aback for a split second by the intensity of combine question. Yeah, he was heading out. I figured he walked up to use it for some reason. He didn't know your asked. Both shook out. Hansen Lindsey pulled out her cell phone. She hit a few buttons and held the phone to area, then waited. After a moment. She looked at the phone and hung it up. Furiously sent a text message. He did not answer, she said. A town was a mix of anxiety and exasperation. I didn't know what to say. Where would he have gone? Why wouldn't you totally sister? How scuffed down the rest of Lindsay's meal with hardly a Word As he was finishing up the last bit. Stat at him. Curious as to how he was being so heartless about the situation. Most of the students including Lindsay and I. Couldn't seem to eat macchia anything at all. You had who died right I asked bluntly. Kyle slamming. Yeah, he was on. And that doesn't bother you at all. I get that. She was your accent all, but you don't seem like. She mounted in the slightest Lindsey said. He shrugged again and then cloudy start. Book. It was a great dancer and all. That was all she had going for. She seemed like she was nice and sweet to most people, but really she was a bitch. Did you know that we broke up because she cheated on me. She treated me like that and then hooked up with like five guys at some Frat Party. Assistant took her to. They filmed it in everything. When I found out, she tried to say she was drugged or something. Found the video. I shouldn't have watched it, but. I don't know and just had to. Catch easily on his insinuation. The video reveals something more than what she had told him. But before he continued, I couldn't help myself. I blurted out a question. I still believe seem callous and cold given the situation. How did you find the video exactly? Look me dead in the eyes and blushed. I am just came across. I'm used sarcastically. I think the three of us own you. They must have come across it on some porn sites. But looking back. Already wish I hadn't avast. Wasn't that I didn't want to know the answer. We were talking about someone who just died that day. And not only that's car was telling us about something awful that she'd done. Doesn't really matter how he founded. Lindsey said shooting me a look that screamed really see. Right. Cal Compose himself continued. It was obvious from the video. She wasn't drugs. She was really really into it. She did things with them that I never would have ostrich to to. When I told her that I found a sex tape, she laughed and told me that at least they satisfied unlike me. She says I'm pretty huddle things and. I didn't want her to die, but well I can't say that I'm completely broken up about it. At least not right now. I apologize to Kyle for being brash both Lindsay and I told him we were sorry that happened to him. Cal Sat with us for a little while longer and the entire time I couldn't help, but studies expressions and notice that even though he was outwardly appearing to cavalry much about armistice, his is told a very different story. I wanted if working out was going to help him. Also I worked through those emotions that he seemed desperate. Hide and pretend didn't exist. We assured him that even if nick back with the car in time, we wouldn't need him to drive us. At West we would just walk home. He was hesitant to accept that answer. especially with two of our fellow female classmates have been added in two days, but he relented eventually. Fifth, period for me was history with Ms Johnston. was also the only class that Lindsey and I sat together. We join the Zombie like students in the classroom and took asseets. Was Johnston Sat. It had desk quietly watching everyone filing and waited for the bell to ring. Typical gob of an ankle length dress and button up sweater. We're a little off. The buttons on the front of the Burgundy dress. She wore that day when mismatched and has sweater hung limply off one shoulder. I noticed that her also didn't look as if it had been brushed type day. Wasn't particularly messy, but it wasn't smooth either. A few strands seem to be sticking in different directions, and there was a small lock of hair loops next to her ear. A gaze caught mine. Face soften. Looked tired and weary as if she'd been struggling with something that none of us knew about. Class. She began wants. Everyone had taken their seats in the Bell Rung Rung. By now. You've all had more details and you're probably supposed to know I'm sure. There's a mom or among the students confirming statement. I don't know how much, but I've been told a few details. That I feel you a welcome to. Sue please. Does anyone have any questions about what's going on? Sticks all. There was an awkward silence. A few people shifted in the seats. Of course, we all want to know, it's human nature to be curious and want to be informed. But no one appeared willing to be the first to speak. Think of it as a lesson in current events, Miss Johnston spoke again and if you don't feel up to talking about this particular events. What questions Mudgee have about well current events local countrywide worldwide. And at all. Kid toward the back of the class Patrick raise hand and Miss Johnston responded with. Yes Is it true. They found her the dance studio on I. He asked. For the first time that I can remember. Ms Johnston had the undivided enraptured attention of every single one of us. She nodded. Yes. I'll Mohawk was founded the best Julia which will be shut down until the police finish their investigation. What she really murdered. Another student asked without raising a hand. Johnston took a deep breath and looked at his all for a few long seconds before answering. Yes! Is it the same person who killed Georgina. The same student bloody them? The police have not announced anything that sort as of yet. Ms Johnston responded. Did she drown to yet? Another student asked in a small voice. I glance to the speaker, and so that it was Freddie Tucker, the son of a sheriff's deputy. I! Wouldn't you know better than her Patrick before ms? Johnston had the chance to say anything. I was Freddie Shoot Patrick an annoyed look, but everyone turn their attention back to the front of the room when our teacher began to speak. I. Don't think that information is supposed to be public knowledge yet mister, Tucker. But as of right now we haven't been told how MS haug perished. What about the curse? The girl that sat next to Lindsey oust. I think a name was Jennifer Will Jessica Rowe Jerry something. Lindsey alarm by the question looked at me with wide eyes and shrugged also concerned. Said anything about the curse. Ms Johnston Asta is narrowing in on the go. Student only shrugged and sang backing deceit. I Had the Gina an Amer and some other started cares to. A male student Hanson said. Ms Johnston sat down in a seats with US I. They didn't start any. Vera acquired bookish girl who almost never spoke razor. Johnston What's the curse? Ms Johnston took another moment to look at all of us. She interlocked her fingers to create a bridge with elbows on the desk and lean forward. Glancing to the open Dole before talking again. Glee close the doll. GSA student closest to it, and once they had she began to Rela- The full version of the scary old story we'd all. Centuries ago, the Salem witch trials drove people deeper into the country. The witch hunt that was sparked young America terrified those who didn't entirely fit the mold of the Puritan life-style, and in order to avoid prosecution, some fled the area and found new places to make their homes. How very unsound became one such home to three families, who would later be accused of witchcraft? Widespread about witches the trials, but then you kinda seem to acclimate well fit into society, if not being a little strange. At the townspeople considered that are babies, simply a difference in lifestyle from a larger populated area to this one. This time was still an infant. A much smaller town see differences in people from live cities. It was the same in that time. At least it was for why. The second generation came along and people began noticing failing crops and sickening lifestyle. It would seem that. The town was faltering. Some point of their finger and accused of specific families of witchcraft. The families accused or the ones that are joined them during the panic of the witch trials. Although the town quickly grew wary of these families. They did not outright co them, which is just you? Children and the elderly began to grow sick during a harsh winter, and by the next spring, Manny had died including some of those who had moved here to avoid persecution. It didn't matter though. As the town overall began to hold them at phones, whispering about black magic rituals. Disease only appeared because of that work with devil. The following year proved bring the town out of this slump. However and Crops and livestock thrived bringing a plentiful harvest and hope through the docket of winter days. With nothing to fuel, their room is an accusations. Most of the townsfolk began to back off of the idea that they were which is amongst them. One however? was very outspoken about his beliefs. His name was Thomas Miller. Thomas had lost his life to childbirth a few years earlier, and held the witches accountable for whatever reason his twisted Mina up with. His Child Henry was sickly as a toddler. By the time he was six was very robust and strong for his age. Thomas suspected that there was something not right about this boy, and did anything everything he could to keep him separate from the witches. Fearing that, they might have something to do with his oddities. He claimed on one occasion they'd be heard chanting outside his sons ruined night's and little. Henry would often walk around in his sleep. Mumbling things that didn't make sense. He was utterly convinced. His son was a target of evil, and then he needed to keep him safe at all costs. Loved his boy very much, although he found some strange things about him. In his mind, Henry was his son and anything weird he this was the direct result of black magic and doc worship. Ma Nights Thomas Awoke to the sound of the doll by an open. It took him a moment to understand what was going on in a semi conscious states, but once he did. He ran to see what it caused the nineties. The Dole stood wide open. Letting the Hash Autumn and pushed through and rifle through his belongings. He called for Henry. There was no answer. Looking outside. He saw nothing in the darkness. He checked his son's room. And found the bat to be empty. It was then he knew something or someone had taken his child. Of course, he just knew that it was the witches. The town and they searched Henry's normal spots where he liked to play, but turned up nothing. They such the woods and found still no sign of Henry. I'm owning. Thomas had made up his mind. That was absolutely the witches that were responsible. He gathered as many people as he could. Including the remaining members of the three families seven people in total. Split them up under the guise of session. The woods deep for this missing boy. He maneuvered himself to be the leader of the group that included the seven supported which is. Led them to the shore of the lake in the woods. There! It's unclear how exactly he managed it, but he trapped them all and questioned them one by one demanding to know what they done with Henry. He swore them and inflicted pain. Various ways trying to force each want to tell him. They were in fact, witches and where son was. This lasted a week. At first, Thomas didn't mean to kill anyone. The first day changed that, however after he accidentally drowned the fairest maiden in the lake. He had tortuga thinking that threatening have beauty would make or break. He brand with I am. beat her until she was no longer beautiful. She never spoke. But he found her screams. She was how under the water to be toxic aiding. When she was dead, he saw the looks on the faces of the rest and you that this could be his way of getting them to hand over his son. Inform them the each day. They didn't return his boy. He would kill one mall. He left them in the woods. We can't be sure if he built the case that kept them in before after he began his daily killings, but personally I believe it was before. I think that the hysteria the previous years. He built it just in case. Either way he kept them locked behind. I am Baas deep in the forest while he would return home to say that he hadn't found his son. The people of the town fell for him. And believe that he spent each day of that week combing the forest searching for his bond. Seven days past and the final, which was dead. Thomas kept hope that one would talk. By the time, the strong man was cut down. None of them had told him how to get somebody. He left the gate open when he returned home. Having no more people to keep. Contain. He was distraught and full alone as he made his way back to the village. Would not last long. Once he returned to his home. Several of his name is came to his house excited about something. I told him that Little Henry had been found with the doctor. He rushed to seize on and found him hungry and thirsty, cold and shivering I'd alive. The child told his father that awoken in the forest in a tree that first night, and it struggled to find his way home. Everyone rejoiced as he heard them. Talk of telling the missing people. They no longer needed to look for the child. Tostao hog grow heavy with fear anger. He still felt that they were responsible for his son's sleepwalking episodes, but he was also afraid of what the people might do. When the ones he called, witches never returned. Days Past. Thomas pretended not to know that whereabouts. People began complaining of seeing spectators of the missing seven and having nightmares of being hunted and chased through town. They began burying iron in front of their homes and some hung. I on on that Dole's. They would speak of sleeping. Better was done this, but Thomas couldn't be bothered with superstitions yet. How exactly a week after the final death Thomas had his very own. The which stood around his bed, living over him and keeping him pinned down. They whispered. Heck's is an angry words into his mind while taking on stabbing him with fingers that felt like towns. Thomas woke up screaming, but assured himself he was only dream the witches with. He continued to have this dream for several more days before the Tara and pain, and his own guilt drove him to come clean to his friends. Instead of being put on trial punished however. His friends aided him in burying the which is in the same I- encaged. Worry left their bodies to rot. He commissioned a single headstone to be built to mock. Beck raves has one. And erected soon as it was complete. He also hung on iron. Horseshoe is fun doll. People continue to complain of Nightmares Low and he still sat awake at night. Henry had stopped trying to leave the house in the night, but still sleep sleepwalked around this small home. That wasn't what kept him awake however. Law Kept Thomas Awake. Was the bang of fists against the Exterior is House. The heck's shouted just outside of his bedroom. The scratching noises against the frontal. Everything culminated one night when he was shaken by a banging on his door. He hasn't been to sleep yet. The urgency of the knock. Might Him Jumping Shane? He didn't move until he had the voice of one of his neighbors yelling at him. The Medal Smith town was on fire. Rushed to how? leaving, the door unlocked and Sonnenburg. As they fought. The blaze was quickly spreading to most awesome buildings Henry days with sleep wanted out of his home and the town square. Thomas noticed him only when a chorus of laughed to be on rising above the din of the flames. Everyone had it. Everyone stopped to try to locate this. No one knew how long they been there. The Gospel visages the seven dead which is stood. Watching the blaze with glee in that. Henry was headed. Right them. One of the female, which is reached out her house to him, then beckoned him close. Thomas, Sprang to action, running for his boy and standing between Heyman. What surely would have been his death? Fire Sedgwick increase right at that moment and toss struggled against his son to make him stop. The witches then spoke together. In a single. Tom Made of seven different voices. They said that Hannity would succumb to them wander. The tallest transgressions would never be forgiven. They confirmed that. which is the tallest have been right? And they curse the town on the lack of action taken by the people lifting. They swap. Each day and exact that. They would take someone the match the which in some way that had died on the corresponding. They will go. One person perished in the blaze before it was able to be put out. It was a chow man, handsome, young man with a full life ahead of him. Engaged to be married short time. He'd been the young man that all the ladies wished to capture the attention office. He had been beautiful. Just like the first which means. The second day the clockmaker. Man Consider Grace as works was found. was continued on. On the Ryan with the days of the week began to hold a sinister meaning to the town. Ever no real records of how Thomas in the townspeople were able to stop the attacks. But the violence cease for a long time. A few decades ago however. Mattis began to spring up again. And action has to be taken to prevent it. Used to be that led to the iron cage that house the solve of those witches, but many many years ago, it was covered. Nature was allowed to reclaiming. I must add you. No matter what you believe is going on right now. Do not go looking for it. It's easy. Get lost in the woods, especially without a path to follow. Not Put yourself in harm's way and take care of one another. Always be alert. If, you, see anyone suspicious. report it immediately. Was Johnston concluded the Tau with what felt to me like a rush Nafta though. I got the impression that she believed in the witches cuss, and she just wanted to make it seem as if she was the same as every other sensible adult. I couldn't help but wonder what else she knew. What she might be able and willing to tell someone you know one on one setting. Off Class, I exited the room with Lindsay. And we walked locks were side by side. We was silent until she spoke. Putting wants to exactly the thoughts I was having. See. Gina was gorgeous rights. Everyone knows that. But. She tried off. I looked at her nodded solemn. Alma was a dancer. Alma had grace. I think we need to talk to Ms Johnston after school. pershing Johnston alone was admittedly I. Don't for me. When you're younger people such as teachers, have they Sarah Power about them. Makes you inherently nervous? You don't fully understand all grasp. Just people with their own lives and worries. Sometimes, they just as lost as you are. It isn't until we considered out south. We truly see that. More like those people. We look up to all the people that we fair when we're children. Match you stay. It took all of my confidence to go to lean Johnson's classroom as the school quickly emptied of staff students. This wasn't just asking about a homework assignment after all. This debt with mud and witches something that only that morning I considered folklore anatole tail to keep kids in line. Lindsey had planned on joining me, but when I check my phone the moment the bell rang a source text message from. Nickel texted US shortly before we'll pick up. As much as I hate to lose my best friend and the confidence. She exuded I understood that right now. She needed to talk to nick more than Ms Johnston. I can handle it. I repeatedly assured myself mentally as I made the short walk through the homes to the history. Also continually went over my options for just what the Hell I was GonNa say to start the conversation. As a close, the distance I him as Johnston exiting the room and stopping to lock the door. No. Miss, Johnston I called out to her over the other teens milling about the hallway opening and closing Locke's making plans, Gossiping. She looked up and she raised eyebrows when we times. She pulled her key out of the KNOB IHEART. Yes, miss would joust. A hands fumbled with a purse. She talk the small ring of keys inside and hold out another set presumably for her car. Can we talk I asked. I glance around at the busy hole and added. Somewhere less crowded. She didn't respond right away, but let me is intently. Trying to decide something difficult. She hadn't asked me what I wanted to talk about. She didn't shoot more pretend to assume that it was about school. I felt in my buzzer. She just knew what I wanted to know. Even before I'd say anything about. There's a sense of understanding between us, and honestly I didn't question it at the moment. Wouldn't be until much later as I replayed the events in my mind that I would find it strange. Luke was there. I blurted out. I'm not sure what I was thinking. The words left my mouth, but house. They fell out like something distasteful. Pleaded in my mind for her to make up her mind, help me if we were truly endanger. Sh. She put a finger to her lips and Shush me. A face softened a bit. She nodded. Walk with me. I obliged and followed down the hall. There was a noise all around us. We sat in muffled to me. In. My concern, concentration and fear. Only sounds made themselves known to. My is my own footsteps and my heart beating. Wasn't pounding yet, but I felt like it could take off at any second. Just as a racehorse takes off out of the game. For a few seconds as we walk without speaking my mind wanders. Related my heartbeat to the pounding of steady hooves on hard. We exited the building via the door to the teachers parking lot. I continued to follow her my eyes, scanning the surrounding 'cause people leaving the law. In my periphery, not as my teacher hit of key fob I looked the vehicle we were nearing. The lights flashed in response to her and locking. I'd never thought about what MS might drive, but was rather surprised at just how dead it was on answering. The lower half of the Silver Subaru sedan was covered in a layer of debt and dried. It wasn't unusual to see a debt vehicle in this way, but for some reason I just didn't expect it from his Johnston. Although, she'd seem to shave today herself. She was typically clean and welcome. I wanted briefly only reach to person another car or how? What is it that you want to ask? She prompted have opened the back door gently placing a person. What back inside? The keys remained in one hand while other on the top of the still open door as she turned to face me. I. Don't really know. Ask I admitted. Well First, off. Show you wondering if he's real? Am I crack? She, said. She was correct and in response. I didn't say a word, but looks sheepishly to the ground height topless trapped in my backpack to sit more comfortably on my shoulder. You set your brother was that. jazzed. Voice was calm and Stoic, but there was an undertone of concern that she struggled to conceal. Look back up at her nodded. Yes. Is it real. He's he come to die? Brows furrowed should outta breath before answering. Do you have any way be. Would you be willing to take a ride with any? Instinctively asked. It's a place with answers. They might not be the answers that you want to hear, but they're answers nonetheless. She spoke. Instead at her or three seconds before nodding in walking around to get into the passenger seat. Have the doll close in the driver's door. I was pleasantly surprised by the interior, which I hadn't even bothered to glad until I was sliding into the Seton, setting back carefully onto the floor beneath feet. As messy as the exterior looked, it was almost immaculate on the inside. It. Wasn't anything special I could tell that my musings a few minutes before were incorrect and miss. Johnson did in fact care about her car was much her body. was also sent that. I couldn't determine the origin of. I glanced around searching with. My is an air freshener or something, but discovered nothing. It was a relaxing mystical sent, and despite the situation, the found myself focusing on what was creating jobs. The therapies used to to said the for some people is stressful or traumatic experience so times. It's easier to detach from the most that predicament and focused solely on detail of some sort. Unlikely is exactly what I was doing. This Johnston placed itself in the driver's seat. Sit the key into the ignition. The engine started out with easing. We both reached up to secure our safety. She caught me looking around and gave me a quizzical expression. What is amazing smell I lost. She let out lighthearted love. Into Special Home Maitland. She spoke she pushed the cover for the Cup holder open and put out a jar intended. It's me. I took it and examine the contents. It appeared to be candle axel something similar with herbs melted. Knows and to inhale before handing it back. Smells incredible. What's in it? She smiled and winked me. She placed it back in the harder. Some herbs and oils, but it's a secret. She said shifted the car into dry. We exit the parking lot. We drove in silence to our destination. I wasn't sure what to say. Several Times I. Open my mouth to speak, but for myself lacking words to actually. From his Johnston. Thinks. She was just waiting until we arrived at whatever the place was. That had answers. Wasn't too long drive about fifteen to twenty minutes. I recognized most of the roads, and until we turned off, the pavement began to follow a palm. It was smooth despite looking like it should be riddled with holes and days. Most people tend to automatically slow down on dirt roads especially those that they don't know. But Ms Johnston maintained speed of forty miles an hour leading me to believe that she knew this road. Well, it's no wonder. The car was so filthy on the answer. The rotund out to be a long private drive, and after coming around to shop curve, we stopped facing a small unassuming cotton. I had no previous knowledge of this place, and although it fit perfectly into the witch law around the area known annuity, ever seen or spoken of it. It looked as if it fit perfectly in the fairytale that spoke of someone who spent that time, tending to love potions or helping pixies and woodland creatures. Wasn't Daca Spooky in the least, but its location in weightless may be curious as to why they were no prankster, teen boys, talking about visiting this old house in the woods where some secret witch lived. It turned out. I wasn't entirely wrong in those thoughts. While most as soon as the engine was shut off, we opened the doors and stood. Another car came barreling down the driveway. Both Miss Jones deny looting the direction. We just come come, and I saw the familiar to to forerunner breaking hard in a cloud of dust and. In a flash, the driver's door opened nick practically leaped out yelling my name. What the Hell I asked him. Stay in the damn car, he said to Lindsey go I could see the passenger seat. And then turn back to me. Get in Sicily. No. What are you doing? Did you follow us I asked incredulously. Just get you stuff. Get in the car now. He shouted at me taking swift steps towards me. Looked at MS, Johnston with a defeated expression. She shrugged at me. You should do what he says she told me. The answer I spotted. She solemnly shook her head. Nick was toe to toe with me now placing a hand around my upper arm. We need to leave right now, see! Hundred shop breath full of frustration, but obeyed bent down to grab my backpack out of the car. He released my arm so I could shoulder it and then waited for me to make a move to that. I, was walking away. He followed while glaring daggers at Miss Johnston the entire time. Even as I got into the SUV and we drove away. I saw MS Johnston Standard. Watching me. Sadness on her face. What the hell was that about I demanded the second highest reach pavement. I didn't care that. My voice was raised that Lindsey was sitting there silently. Nick turned onto the road. I wanted the back tires squeal from the force. And Nick. Why did you follow us? What Lindsey told me was true. Miss Johnston could have helped. She was taking me to finances. I spotted him. Saw Him Tony's briefly to glance at Lindsay. She only had to look out of the window, avoiding his gaze. He started silence for another minute before I continue. Tell me what's going on I? said in a low voice putting all my effort into sounding as forceful as. She's a witch sesame. She's a damned witch. Nick Financing Sat back in the seats and considered this information. I wanted to ask him. I mean. You couldn't manage to form the woods or even a fullfilled. When Nick pulled the car to my house. No one said a word I opened the door and got out. He was reversing out of the drive by almost before I slammed the door shot. I stood there, UNMOVING as drove down the street, and then turned out to view. The House, his problem. How is MS Johnston a witch? Is that how she knew so much about the. was she planning on sacrificing meals? Thoughts and questions swelled around my head as I made my way inside into my room. Mine was the only bathroom on the fast fall in originally being an office. Because I began to grow and needed my own space. My parents converted it to a small but cozy bedroom. I had the floor to the second floor creek slightly I knew that Luke was home probably sulking in his own. Plan to go check on him as soon as I calm down enough. For the moment. I just needed to breathe. Half an hour later I found myself knocking on Luke's door, asking how he was doing. They only response I. received was Grunt Brunton fine from my brother. My heart sank just a little when I consider that relationship would never be remotely close to what Lindsey and nick had. They were more than justice things they were friends. They got along on confided in one another about things. Nick always Katyn did what he could to protect her. One time when we were younger Lindsay and I wanted to swing at the playground when we arrived a group of kids with Aaron studied teasing Lindsey about her glasses and me about my patchy overalls. Nick and Lucas walked us there, but went to a friend's house across the street videogames. was only nick who came try rescue. Appearing before I even realized he noticed that conflict. He threatened the other kids around them off without hesitation. After. He asked if we wanted him to stay while we played. Lindsay said yes, go sat on a bench, laughed and run around and spent time on the swings. After a while loop us, but only briefly. Asking Nick Wade incumbent. He was annoyed with me. But all I could think about was how I wished, I was Lindsay and nick sister, instead of Luke's. That's how our relationship was. We weren't close. We rally talked and if you didn't know better, you'd have no reason to think. We were related apart from some similar physical features. I wanted more though but no matter how much I tried to his friend for even much of a sister I was shut down and pushed away. As I felt back to my room downstairs. I couldn't help but wonder. Why can't so much about his safety? When I knew that he was in ten, likely would never be concerned with mine. That night. I was woken abruptly by loud movement around the house. My mother through open my door before I could understand what was happening. Is blinked as I saw her rush to the side of the bed and begged me to get up. She was frantic and I- groggily sat up asking what was going on. Something striking the side of the House came as a response, and my head whipped around to look at the window across from my beds. What. I muttered come on honey. We have to get away from the windows. Mom Tugged on my hand gently. She was panicking. I was confused. had. Did you get up? I heard my father cool from down the hall. Coming she about to him as I slid out from under, my comforter began to stand on tired legs. What's going on, I Augusta. She didn't say a word only looked at me in the darkness. Without any lights content what her expression was saying only that she was facing me. Another object struck the house somewhere. Jumped and grip MOMS hand. She all, but drag me through the door and down the hall to the Living Room. There I saw dot, and Luke, barricading the windows with couch, love seat, and any other large furniture. They could get into position. Mom Position Me in the center of the room, emotion for me to sit, and then raise my hand and vanished somewhere back down the hallway. Sat on the floor and put my knees up to my Chin listening to the Ruckus of small things falling on being thrown at the outside of the House and my family moving things around. Why new was it I was scared and something really spooked my family. I'd never seen him. act in such a way. After what felt like seconds my mom return with some blankets from a linen closet, and the three of them. Join me on the floor. He sat there in silence I began to make out of voice from outside. No Not a single voice, several voices all taking turns speaking. They sounded distorted and had a strange lingering quality to them that I could only describe an audio representations of the effect, waving a light and trying to spell your name in the dock heads. One, voice? Is Wow. Another China then. We. Follow. Yet another. He called. Voice Number Fi. He. Released does. The six. We can end your suffering Chai. Final voice spoke. Louder than the rest. Will. Was it just clemson. I, looked at my brother, and so the sheer terror on his face. He looked like a small child again and they were teasing his is. Try to remember if I've ever seen him so afraid before. My father whispered something to him, but my mind wouldn't comprehend the woods. I'm sure something either comforting or something meant to keep in strong as the people all things outside. The barrage of bangs against the House pick Tom. At first I thought that whoever was outside, was throwing small pebbles stones the side of the house, but when they started to hit against the back. Can the roof rapidly on knew that couldn't be? With every second that take by slowly. We huddled together. Petrified of what was happening. I still didn't understand just what was happening, but. New, from what they said that this was related to the witches. The noisy stop for a moment. One of them spoke. Out Cows. Come to US Lou. My brother stood up against the pleading from my parents. He took a step toward the front door, and my father lunged his feet, grabbing examine telling him to strong. What happened next with so fast that I still don't know just how I remember the details. Luke's FREOM pull back. He turned to face our father. As his head pivoted sore glint of silver from his eyes. He was similar to how a days is. Reflect headlines when encountered at night, but the caller was unusual. I also realized that his face was blank devoid of emotion. It was as if he was an empty being. A she met, my father sold his to his. He momentarily stopped. Is is narrowing on Luke's. By the time, he saw Luke's fists swinging toward him. It was too late to dunk. His knuckles made contact with Dad's Joel, and sent him hurtling to the floor. Some. People become hyper aware when presented with extreme fair in a traumatic situation. For others, the mind block things out and details become fuzzy. I'm one of the latter, and that's one thing. I can still be thankful to this day. I don't remember the sound of my brothers Fist colliding with my dad's face. All the Saudis body made when he dropped the copied flow incapacitated unable to keep luke from trying to leave. I can't even remember. My Mom's voice says she rushed dot side. I know she was talking and I know that were sounds accompanied movement, but my mind shut everything out. WAS MUFFLED IF I was wearing well fitted apex. The only sound I heard clearly. WHO's the front door being unlocked and then opening? I remember stumbling has tried to stand up a move to the door too quickly. I remember luke standing there staring at the group just outside our I in fence and I, remember coming to a halt next to him. Taking in the sight outside. Seven beings glad at us with such a burning hatred I felt my body flush and become warm despite the chilly night ad. They want sullied in conventional sense, but also they want completely transparent Mike I'd seen in movies and TV shows. They will opaque, but their presence was heavy weighing on the ground. They stood upon. The old clothes with tone missing him places. I saw various injuries clearly. A young woman whose face was tinged with an eerie, blue gray color that I recognized as the I thi- from the story. An older gentleman had a bloody mom lining his neck. That still leapt black blog. Another! Only child of maybe ten or eleven. Had Hands that reached out to Luch. Revealing fingers were broken every point at missing thumb. His eyes were ringed and bruises, and there was a hole in his cheek, showing off chipped teeth. Heart couldn't help but break the signs. What I don't remember was how I wound up in the. Was No one to tell me what transpired, either so that memory remains blur. While my when I was standing there, having do away with loop my brain working as rapidly as possible to think of a way to keep luke from leaving. The Gospel coven raised that arms above their heads Hale began to fall on the roof, the and is far up a covered porch as possible. To the staff to stand on the poems and he yelled, they needed to go back to. This early enraged the mall, an older man, who was standing an inch, or less away from the iron fence that line the. Spoke with a voice that echoed through night and into my bones. Without you! We will get you on way or another. It is your to. Your heart is full of sorrow and misery just like mine. is his voice cut through the cacophony of Ice Chunks, falling heavier and more rapidly with each breath I took. Saplings line the space between the sidewalk in the streets. They would have been pretty if given the chance to grow. By those that had already been struck down by these spirits though they were not allowed. Three of the infantry shook and will operated before pausing. And, exploding into hundreds of small shops beds. They were aimed at the house at Lucan. I. Have the wind race suddenly the which is pointed, spoke something in a language that I didn't understand. And then. I was on the grass. My mother was leaning on me. Tears. Flowing from is solves wrecking her body as she begged me to be okay. Set up slowly my head spinning. But tried to speak, but. He incoherent noise came from my vocal. SHH Sweetie just still. She whispered in my ear. She pulled me Costa. After sitting man like that for moments, my father joins us from outside of the fence. They helped me to my feet. We made I in INCI. Despondent seated on the floor, staring at empty space in front of him. His face was empty. Still put. That was no glint in his eyes. Mom and dad guided me to the couch, still out to his normal place in the room and laid me to. Remain silent all four of us for a while. Mom Mates and coffee. That got me a glass of water. No one said anything until the doorbell rang. My father answered it or mom knelt beside me clutching my hand. Stop, crying when I could tell that she was still on the verge of breaking down again as she watched the EMT's enter our home intensity. That questions still dazed, who was given a clean bill of health for the most ponds. They said that I didn't seem to have any severe damage, just some bruises and scrapes. I had might hurt for awhile. I might seem out of it, but that would likely wear off. The dog went away. Then, they spoke to my father in hushed tones when the door open once more for them to leave. I saw the flashing lights of police cars outside. I wanted ounces, but at the same time I felt in my gut. I couldn't quite comprehend most of the information. Anyone might give me. That as loot, go up to his room and get some sleep. It took a bit of pushing him physically being lifted off the ground for him to respond with a Naughton trion jobless days. And then the attention was turned back to me. How you feeling! Mamas in a small voice. I. Don't know. That was that, wasn't it? The she's. We Save luth bounce. Mom and Dad Shadow look lasted only seconds, but fell drawn out. I couldn't read. That faces completely. Still, fear that. Yes, there was something else something painful. They seem to be briefly considering the next move with one another. Finally I'm not. It's My dad and sat beside me on the camp. She my hand in hers and I remembered when she told me about Georgina. Anyone said a word on you that we might have saved loop, but Someone else wasn't as lucky. Yes? Guus saved. But honey. She paused and glanced up at. Charlene! Johnston was caught in the storm. I don't know why she was here, but. By the time I got outside, she seemed to be battling. He trailed off his face, grimacing filtered. Admitting what we've all seen now knew to be true. Continued She was killed not before tossing this tool, the Gaetan saying it was for you. He reached a small book I hadn't updates on the floor and at one end of the couch. He hesitated for a second, but that handed it to me. And took it gingerly and sold. It had a hard blank cover. I opened it and saw lion pages with handwriting that I immediately recognized as Miss Johnston's. Confused. Top, but my dad. But his expression matched my own. Do. You know why she would have wanted to have this. What is it? He asked. I shook my head and yawned involuntarily. Agenda something but. I don't know why should give it to me. You need some rest. Realty it's light. Mom chiming. As, much as I want to deny what the book contained I also knew that she was Ryan. I've lost at the large clock on the wall and saw that he was almost three thirty in the morning. If I was going to understand anything that I read. I need some sleep funds. Spent most of Wednesday in bed. I slept a bit, but I think I tossed and turned instead at the ceiling and the window more than anything else. One point. Tried reading the Journal that Mr Johnston had left, but I didn't get very far. The fast page of the general contained a shot passage. It was the only thing written lately. On the words already? Most people in our town did. I still found myself reading over several times. Monday's child is fair fangs. Tuesday's child is full of grace. Wednesday's child is full of woe. Those as child has found. Friday's child is loving and giving. Saturday's child works hard for living. But. The child born on the Sabbath Day. Is Bonnie and blind and good. From the edge of the pages in the first half of the book. Letting them flip quickly, so the rest of the pages song low the majority web blank when written hastily. Was, easy, to assume that Ms Johnston had done her best right down everything. She turned a very short amount of time. As I went back instead at the first page long poem. I thought bags the previous often. Wondered if she decided to jot all of this down after failing to give me any answers is nick and Lindsey. What was it that my dad had specifically said? She been battling the witches? Exactly it should been doing. Throughout the day the moments that I was a white. I wrestled with the idea of trying to extort to nick to find out more information. Wasn't exactly sure. What do you tell me that he would be willing to tell me but I needed more. He said that Ms. Johnston was a witch. I, would he have known that? Would it be possible to find out from Lindsey instead. The more I thought about speaking nick about this. The more nervous I felt about. She had been there with him when they interrupted my knowledge seeking so maybe she knew also. Maybe he had. By the time I finally made up my mind and force myself to get out of bed and get dressed. Here's linked to the realized. I opened. My bedroom will to find a in house and quiet permeating every injury. My first thought was something was off. Wasn't right. Well my parents. I expected not to see Luke because he be hiding his room. If it was dark mom and dad's. As I stood in the doorway, stomach, ABS and I glanced down it. They'll surprise by the sudden organic noise breaking the silence. Okay step one. Case something to eat handsome water. I whispered allowed myself suddenly feeling how dry my throat was! Step to fight evil, which is that put some sort of darkness fell on my house. Oh find out where mom and dad are. Are. During a deep determined breath than that it out with a soft sound. I focused all of my energy and willpower and putting one foot in front of the other in the direction of the kitchen. Waiting for something all some want to jump out of the shadows, but none of that came. I was made to jump slightly a sort of figure sitting in the kitchen. There are no lights on the soft glow coming into the room from the window, revealed a person. Shoulders slump forward bent against the table. Couldn't see any features, but the presence of this shape sent chills down my spine. What if they got inside somehow shield my pants. I. Should My head of the? Then counted my mental quandary with another. If they had gotten in. Why was I left on touch? What if they hadn't left me untouched and they were just waiting here to get me. Dead Right, so what's a little extra time in the scheme of instilling fear into their victims before tearing them apart drowning them more torturing them until the sun comes up. I reached to the wall beside me. As I walked slowly through the open ARCS, separated the kitchen from the living room. Other than my searching hand. Froze when I didn't immediately feel the light switch. My fingertips found around the smooth wall until they brush the plastic and as quickly as I, could I turn on the lights to see who or what was in my house? Embrace myself something, gory or terrifying. clenching I shut for a moment and waiting for whatever it was to bolt up and attack me after I started it with a change. Nothing. Open one high and then the other. Immediately spontaneously, relieved, confused and embarrassed. It Was Luke. What in the Hell Luke? I called him in a voice just above a whisper. Over the table, but stirred when I spoke. Slowly he lifted his head up and sat upright. So, he showed a shift as I heard him sigh deeply. I didn't wait for him to turn around. A move quicken out and walked over to the table and stood beside it in front of him. And he looked up at me without. whereas. I should have been whites. They were bloodshot and dot rings hung in the skin just below each. His gaze was distant, and I got the impression that he saw me, but wasn't really seeing me. It was sort of like when you looking at something far often not to someone or something approach you, but still focused on something in the distance. Place my hand in front of his face and snap. He didn't flinch. He'll jump, but just calmly looked me in the. Your up. He said in a place. Where mom and Dad, I asked. Shrugged. Nonsense Status But I looked at him quizzically, wondering why would already be in bed? My eyes narrowed on his refused seconds, and then I turned my head to look at the bright green numbers on the stove. Forty Two am. It's what I asked. No one in particular definite, not my brother specifically. Seemed to take it upon himself to answer though. He slept all day. He said with another sign stretch his arms, bobbies, Hey! Slid into the nearest Chan. Stat at the clock in disbelief. No Way, I've been out for the entire day was. In my periphery. So Luke's like something from his right between front of me. Mom left you this. My attention shifted back to the table and I looked at him, and then at the small piece of paper he placed in front of me. It was from little notepad that mom used to leave messages and May. Grocery lists. Right over it quickly and easily took in the simple message of her, telling me that in case I woke up hungry before the morning. They will leftovers in fridge for me. She hoped I was feeling better by the time already. told me that she me. She really knew me well. I couldn't help but crack up cited Grin. The thought of knowing my stomach would likely be my first concern upon getting. Gentle, urgent knock on. The back door pulled me from her sweet since the present set. Luke got up and opened it before. I could do much to protest. His name was halfway out of my mouth when I heard another familiar voice. My panic subsided abruptly and I watch. Luke lead Mickan Lindsey into the kitchen and so the tape. Lucrative receipt and our guests each took a seat in the empty chance Lindsay to my left and nick across from me. All quiet for a few moments and I absent mindedly pushed the paper in front of me round. Without asking Lindsay took the note and ready. For brief handful of seconds, I was comforted by the gesture. Proving that we were so close. She didn't feel like she needed earns. I realized then that I've been worried about. Our friendship with watered happened the previous day. But perfectly on Q. my stomach growl again and I shot from the paper. She helps me. You haven't eaten yet. She said it was more of a statement than any type of question. As I shut my head. She stood back up. Pausing to the table with a finger. Looked up with her. She gave him a false expression with both eyebrows raised, and pointed to Lucan then me. Remember thinking that she so much like Martha in his silent command to him. He, nodded solemnly at her. She left the table to go to the refrigerator. I didn't even have to ask what she was doing. I knew she was getting a left office. She had to shut them down my throat. She would just to make sure I, had aiden. Just the type of person she was. Even from a young age. Lindsey was motherly nurturing to everyone. No matter if they were younger or older than. That was a trait that actually got her into a handful of arguments and almost fistfights, if not for nick looking out for. We weren't getting picked on ourselves. Lindsey would find ways to get in hot water with other kids by foiling their bullying or teasing forest anyone else. But only what she kind, but she was feisty, as well letting her mouth run away from her often typically against people. I thought we should avoid. Nick Ladies Throat and straighten his back. Preparing himself for what he had to say. When he spoke, his tongue was flat on feeling. Daniels Dad. What? When? I found myself out. Maybe a half hour ago, he responded. The opened his mouth to say something else, but upon not finding the words he closed, it again shook his head. Washes, she's facial. Expressions change as his thoughts John's, but it wouldn't be until years and countless therapy sessions lights. That I would understand. It was probably feeling horribly conflicted at that moment. He just lost a friend, but at the same time not meant that at least one of the day he and Luke with say. Daniel was Thursdays turn. Nine very well, but. Everyone knew that he was the youngest of three kids born to a family had high standards. His parents own several businesses in town and very successful. His older siblings both already left the college one aiming to be a lawyer, the other an engineer some songs. Was a typical story of expectations being high, but baby of the family is the screw up. The prion he'd been busted for drugs, and and even done a stint in some rehabbing another area of the state. He had a strong standing in the social hierarchy school, but he didn't really accelerate anything schoolwork sports or anything else. It was mediocre at best with a smart mouth, and upon forgetting what he wanted from almost anyone except his own family. Never really thought about the stress that might cause in, but his situation was dire enough apparently for the wishes to think that he had fought ago. Since this happened. I have wandered sometimes if that meant, he had possessed potential to do greater and better, but just never acted on it. I like to think that. If he had survived black week, he could have been an incredible adults or at least found his way and his cooling. Microwave Beeps Lindsey return to the table. Setting a plate to fork in front of me with a single demand. He sat back in her chair again despite feeling awkward about being the only one eighteen. Began shoveling food in my mouth. I knew I was hungry before, but smelling the food in front of me, put my body into some sort of starving overdrive. You owe an explanation. Lindsey said sternly to her brother. Everyone had been quiet for a while the only noise, being my fault against the plant. As I took another lodge bites I glanced from Lindsey to nick with an eyebrow raised. He frowned and shifted in seats, obviously uncomfortable with whatever she was talking about. When he didn't say anything still. She pushed him clever. Now! Okay, I will. Let's let her eat fast. He told Assistant. A finish the food in my mouth slowly, feeling painfully aware of the awkwardness of my eating when no one else wants. I set my down. Swan. See now you to self conscious. You Ass Lindsey, said to him, and then turned to me. Keep eating, please. What Luke told us you haven't eaten over twenty four housing. You're not very pleasant when that Hungary. My face contorted into one of mild annoyance or frustration, but I knew that she was right. When I got hungry if I didn't eat I cranky and bitchy. Whatever explanation? Nick was supposed to give me the only go better if I wasn't Pissy to begin with. huffed picked up my full to push some food around on the planes. Pounded for forbids feeling, my ego her, despite knowing she was rights and that she wasn't meaning any home by what she said. Hud Lindsey side. and. Then the coffeemaker beat! In my haste to fill my stomach I hadn't even noticed that it was going brewing up a pot of gold. Use for us. She stood and told Luke to help out with a coffee. He obliged, and as he got out of his Chad, his sweatshirt should enough me to notice thing on the flesh just above his collarbone. was that asked him. He only glanced at me and shrugged before going to lindsays. It's this. Nick onset me. I tend to look at him. He quote his down into the signed showing off his bash on. The So symbol of some kind that look like it had been burned into the skin. Wasn't in the same location Luke's, but it appears to be the same from what I glanced at on my brother. What is that? I asked before finally putting food in my mouth. It's a brand. That brand! He answered with sadness. Victims are always marked. Standard. Embassy returned shut with rightful place. Thought back to what I'd heard of Gina's death and how she'd been branded. At an occurred to me to even try to find out if others have been branded as well. If, you're still alive, I asked between bites. He shrugged. Shoda. Wasn't. I went to bed the other night? But when I woke up Monday morning, it adjusted pay it. Maybe. It's how they pick. That kills or something. Maybe, it's just because we woke them up. I don't know. Lindsey and luke return to the table. Setting steaming mugs in front of each of us than seating themselves again. Police? Say, but so far everyone who's died had one. Daniel Alma Ms Johnston. Nick Trout. Gina. Didn't she have won I. Mean you found her naked rights? Not that it would have been a new thing, but talk show. You noticed a new mark on her body. Luke spit out his words dripping with Venom. That took me by surprise. I looked over at him so that he was glaring daggers as best friend. My Mind Blanton why could think of was what the Hell? I've already said I'm sorry Luke. What the Hell you want! Luke's voice raised a little. I moved my gaze to Lindsey non verbally asking just what I'd Veasley missed. Her expression was sadden. She just shook her head slightly. I turned my attention to Luke. About stab me in the back. I guess that was too much to ask someone. Selfish is a dig like you. My brother seethed. Dude. Just happened. It's not like we wanted to hurt you. Nick tried to respond calmly, but I could see that he was becoming agitated also. You knew you were outing me. For can lights me both of you. Luke practically yeah. I set my folk down in my eyes grew. Why does I took in back and forth? At that been something between Luke and Georgina that I didn't know vents. We didn't lie. Just didn't tell. Nick said. Still Got Damn Lie Luke Rip, line. Does it matter now. She's gone. Both of you are going to die if we don't figure this shit out. Lindsey sat in a low but firm voice. They both looked at her and she continued. He can hate each other for the rest of your lives. Lows lands will be pretty short if you don't shut up and stop bickering. After a few seconds of Silence Nick Muttered. I don't hate him. Looked as if he was about to speak, but another voice came from the living room. What's going on. I. Looked Overlooks Hat to see my dad entering the kitchen. He paused in the archway and took in the signs. I shrugged Luke Stat at the table in front of him. Sorry Mr. would. Just found out that someone else. Nick Trout off again, looking at my dad's. His face softened and he nodded. It's fine kits. I'd rather know you're all safe. MIC Lindsey Japan's know that you hear. He asked them. The both nodding in response and he spoke again. Okay good. Both, we can stay here for the night. And there's a lot going on which knew how to help you. Stay in the house okay. We all nodded this time. He looked to the four of us with pain on his face. I wished he knew how to help us to. Your turned upstairs to go back to bed. I wanted if he imam were even able to get any sleep with what had happened the night before. The hub they did. Can. We have civil discussion now. Lindsey Austin Boys. They both met at a positive response and I pushed my plate away from me. Some fruits still left my stomach satisfied enough. I pulled the coffee mug closer. How `bout someone tell me what the Hell's going on I spoke. Nick's Nikolai invested. That's what's going on Luke Mamat. Luke. Lindsey reprimanded him. He gave her a sheepish look and slouched further into his Chan. Niblett, heart and guilty, but finally started giving me some insights. Lindsey already told you what we did and Obviously, the legend is true. Ralph ranch dying. Just wasn't a friend. In fact you kind of rude. The other day to her I sat feeling my own anger at him trying to service. I took a sip of coffee in an attempt to swallow it and my own frustration at him down. I didn't know. It whispered. His eyes focused on his own mug held in both of his hands. He side and looked back at me. Found out. She was a witch. Thought. She was evil. evil. Miss, Justin Really I asked. He nodded. Well. The ghosts witches and she was so yeah. He Sar guy into the forest the other day at lunch, so that's why he got the car without telling me Lindsey interjected. I went. where I'd seen her answer. I drove down this little road until it ended. She wasn't there anymore, but I saw a bunch of weird things hanging from the trees. Walked around a while till I found a glaring and a little cottage she took you to. Kind of broken. Sword Bunch of books that have spouse and shit in them. All and herbs and stuff scattered around. I wasn't sure it had anything to do with Miss. Johnston, at fast, but one of the books on the table had her name on the inside cover. Look through it a little. It was easy to tell they were spouse. Informational things to us. Explain. It slowly. Understanding now just how he came to his conclusion. Since. My father told me she'd been battling the deck which is. I felt like I. She was a witch herself, but I could never believed she was evil. She was a good witch by sat without really thinking fast. I guess. Put on all which is bad. I mean they worship Satan and kill animals Shit Knicks at. Oh. Neck Lindsay Sat. This isn't the Salem witch housing. Which is on devil worshippers I told you already which craft itself isn't evil. All animals. As far as we know, even the ghost didn't kill animals unless I needed food. That people to. That killing people now though I spoke. I wasn't really trying to stick up for nick. All say that Ms Johnston wasn't some kind of good which. I understood his points. Until Miss. Johnston I thought all which is bad creatures of darkness and death. I mean it made more sense to me even in the wizard of Oz that the wicked witch of the West could be more real than Glenda, the good witch. They will also murder themselves. Lindsay's response came with a bit of attitude towards me. I know it took another drink of coffee. The still hot liquid stinging my tongue from the amount that wash over. We talk some more about what had been happening. Although I didn't get the full story as to why the boys were getting along until after Luke went back to his patron. Because of the bad blood between them, I offer a to sleep on the couch or on the floor in my bedroom. He opted for the floor, saying Aidid rather be closer to protect us just in case but. I wonder they feel so didn't want to be all alone. Almost four in the morning by the time I let him and Lindsey to my room. Waited in the hall for Lindsey Meet Address in something more sleep friendly. Not. Show how long it took them to fall asleep. But I passed out quickly somehow. Despite spending most of the dame bed. Still Fell In suspected I hadn't actually gotten much rest before. When I woke up later, the sun was shining through the window and Lindsey was still passed out beside me in the bags. Quietly Catholic got up and left the room shutting the door so as to not wake her up. Found Nick in the kitchen sitting in the same shea he'd been sitting before. He had a glass of water, and the book was Johnston, had left for me in front of him. Excuse me I asked sarcastically feeling if my privacy had been invaded. Nick looked up at me and quietly spoke. I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep much for a while looking for someone to read do. found. This was curious. Have you read through this yet? I slid into the Chad Mary's to him. Not? Just the first page with a poem. I think she wrote this specifically for you. She talks about the legend, even references some books by title. One! She says that you can find answers and help with her cottage in hair. He moved the book in front of me a flip to the back cover a. she even left the. Our Stat at what he was showing me, not understanding how I'd missed it before. It was a key taped inside the cover with the words. Use it written about. Alex neck with wide is unsure of what to say. Once I'm into drink. Before, I could process my own films. I answered looking back down on using my fingernails to Kathleen lift the type and pull the key loose. As. He stood up went to get another gloss I added. Hey! Shouldn't be getting. A small off. I stood up setting the key on the table before joining him deeper in the kitchen. took a picture of icy out of the fridge. Purport some into the glass. It said on the counter. Once biased. He noted in retrieved his glass from the table been dumped the water in its into the sing. said it next to mine. Pause before pouring any the opportunity to us. What's going on with you and loot? The tiny amount of joy that he'd been holding foul. I could almost had it Shanta. I felt bad for bringing it up, but I still wanted dances and with him. Alone I felt like this was the best chance I would get. A port his teen sent the picture on the counter. Picked up his glass and nodded his head toward the table. I followed suit returned sent. Luke really likes. Lights. He created himself Cina. This past summer though. Gene, I started having feelings for each other. We knew that would be upset, so we didn't say anything to him. But Lindsay even knew the whole dating whatever my set. Yeah but. No one else really did. Anyone ever suspected anything. We just laughed it off and claimed that all three of US close. We may show. We didn't go on dates where we'd be seen. Spent more time with Luke `then. Didn't want to hurt him, but. We also started falling for each other, he said. How did he find out? I asked taking a long drink of the Coltie. House, really upset about gene. News complaining about, I would never get the chance with her now. Snapped at some point, said something about how she was my girlfriend, and it was more of a loss to me than to him. Nick, said. His is would train on the table in front of him. I could hear his voice hitching occasionally. tis threatening to stop falling from his eyes. Got Up at my arms around his shoulders, giving him a comforting hug. Moving in on my sister now to. Lucas voice came from the doorway, and I stood up in an instance. What Luke Shut, shut the fuck up. I've had enough of your shit. Get over yourself. I spat at him. Immediately after the words left my mouth. Surprised myself out a small Pang of guilt for being so high Sch- Luke glad me for a long moment and then walked away. I wanted to call out to him to apologize for being so branch. What I found myself unable to move or speak. After? His steps faded as he went up the stairs nick cough. He didn't have to do that. He's your brother, you know. I know he's hurting knicks. I with my head around to look at him. The guilt and shame felt were found in his posture and all over his face. He's never been much of a brother to me. I said with an exasperated breath sat back down. Quickly wanting to change the subject I asked. So. You think you and Lindsey WanNa to go with me. He looked at the key I held up. Hinge between my fingertips a nodded. We waited for Lindsey to wake up and then as soon as we were all dressed and ready to go. We piled into the forerunner and set off the Kathi. Wasn't a long drive, but amidst the extent, silence between the start and stole conversations. We try the half. It felt like longer than necessary. We didn't have a plan past seeing what was in the cottage. A flip through the pages occasionally on the way skimming over different passages. Was One toward the end that seemed incomplete. S-. It taught about a spell ritual of some so. Ms Johnston either forgotten or didn't have the time to describe what it walls or even finish it, but. I hope we would find more information. The key into the lock smoothly. My pushed open the door for second before leading the other two inside. We agree to immediately with an open area that had no barrier to the kitchen at the back. To the left that was a small sitting area with account into objects. To the right was an entire wall made into a bookshelf lined with books of various ages. There's a table in the center of the. Complete with books piled haphazardly on it. Some open others close. Before getting down to any business, we opted to look around the place and get a sort of lamb to the content. We've found a single bedroom and bathroom Dow shot hallway on the opposite side of the sitting room. But that was it. It was small and Queens clean aside from the cluttered books. Seem fairly empty when she passed the room with bookshelf. That was a bad made up with sheets and a quilt in the Bedroom But there are no personal items to accompany or in the bathroom either. She thinks she lives somewhere else. Nicole. Yeah probably I said with a shrug. I think. Lindsay began. But was cut off by allowed thought that came from the front porch. You'll shadow look. Nick moved to open the front door. His Gospel made Lindsey and I. Rush over to see what it was. After seeing the mutilated Turkey just outside the door. I immediately had to turn. Keep myself from vomiting. Lindsey make gagging noises and did the same. Move It. Nick said stabbed outside. I didn't turn to look but hurt him dragging the hefty. Burn off to the warden through the grass. He stopped abruptly when we all heard after coming from somewhere outside. The slowly, turn to face the. And took a single step through the threshold. Lindsey Najd me, so she could stand beside me outside. It didn't take long for us to see something standing a few feet on the other side of the car. person approached with capital steps until they were in full view. It was luke. But. There was something off about his appearance. What are you doing? Nick, called out him dropping the bloody bird, where it was walking back to the port without taking his eyes off of my brother. Another love sounded from him. A strange tone of two voices mixed his one. And then he spoke. I swan us so much rage. Is Still Ish. Nick. Lindsey code out to him drawing his name out for an extra second. Lieut continued to advance taking something out of his pocket as he did. Nick, walk backward to the porch, matching luke speed, but we all take him by surprise when Luke suddenly dotted forward running at full speed. As he ran, his form seemed to glimpse, somehow I saw the image of one of the witches split-second before seeing my brother again. Ankle came into contact with the bottom step and he felonies, but. Luke. Whatever was possessing luke. Came to a shop. Stop at the bottom of the says Lindsay tried to drag her brother up onto the porch. He didn't just stop. It was like he had a wool. and was stopped by something unseen. It, not him back a few steps, but he only returned banging fist on something invisible is only soft upset, and he lets out an angry rule that and into a smile. His hands moved i. saw taken something from his pocket. A box of matches. He pulled one out and struck it as the sign. A small flame lit up a tossed it onto the steps of the Paul. Nick got to his feet quickly and stomped it out before it could catch. Around, and saw all with potted plants and dried herbs. Line the Front of the House. Even, if the would didn't catch it I, something certainly would. Luke. Close his eyes and muttered. Something I couldn't understand. He then struck. Another match dropped it onto the ground. Instantly, the grass fled and spread out in a thin line that spent one into the house to the other. He opened his eyes and took a stab by Grigny. The line thickened until it was about a foot in debt. We have to find a way to stop them Lindsey sat frantically as she started coughing. Washed she fell to her knees, acting like the breath of been knocked out of her. Body shook as she continued to cough spotter. I can understand what was happening. There wasn't much smoke coming toward US and nick was closer to the fire and they add than she was. He rushed to Sidon. Beckon me to help with these is. Allotted to him. We all dragged back into the cottage and onto the couch. Joking costs count. Bits and she took gulping breaths. Go Fi solving. Nicole's me. Like what I answered freaked out of what was happening. I don't know just something. Until Luke leaves I don't think we can. He it. Right. Okay I sat. Set Myself to work. Looking through the books Ms Johnson hat lying on the table. I wish I could tell you that. There was some big showdown where we save Luke from being possessed. The simple fact is that there was no such thing. I'm not sure when he left, but he did leave the cottage off his own accord. Wow I the haze. All the ghosts still not sure. We would F- Allison somehow while Lindsay in Iowa engrossed in the various books, and those nick fell asleep on the porch. And we asked him how that happened said that he wasn't Shaw. He didn't even remember falling asleep or feeling tight enough to be able to. Lindsey went to check on him. She woke him up and they discovered together. That Luke was gone. Once, a some began to set. We knew that we needed to head out and get home before apparent started to worry too much. I still felt confused about the entire situation and hadn't really found much in the way of onces light. Miss Johnston claimed that I would. It wouldn't be until much later that I discovered what she was referring to. When I was there with Lindsay we concentrated on the spell books and notes that Ms Johnston left out in reference to banishing the ghosts. She was trying to find a way to banish them for good. But it seems she was still coming out with nothing solid for that. We did discover to amok spousal rituals the could banish malevolent spirits, but they were focused on specific buildings such as a home. Didn't seem promising for ridding an entire town of the beings. Discover after everything was over the history books and old general's that give first and second hand accounts of the legend and the trouble a town of seen before. We still haven't completely settled on a solution, but we picked a few books to take home with us. We divvied up the books and agreed to both spend time that night going through them. To try and get the best sleep as well. Wasn't sure just how much to share with my parents. So, I only told them that I spent the day with Nicon and Lindsey. They asked if Luke could join. Does it all I told him that he hadn't. He was up staffed by the time I got home. Being under the same roof as my also possess, brother made me uneasy. I did my best to not letting that on hourly, so as not to worry, mom and dad. But I also didn't go check on him. Say Hi or anything in fact. I mentally bagged whatever force that was in the universe. bessette wouldn't even have to see all at least not for the rest of the night. Was Quiet. I'm sure that my parents could tell. Something was going on, but they didn't press. Those inwardly yelling for joy dot informed us the Luke didn't WanNA. Come down from his room and had said that he wasn't hungry. Curiously asked if he was okay. WHO's met with a frown a truck from dad? Mom On the other hand spent dinna glancing toward the stairs with a worried look on her face. And the end she took a bite of food to his room. Something unheard of in that house. Out. And returned empty-handed. Worried them. Wished I could have taught. Everything will be okay that I was working on a solution for the town's problem. That I have no idea how they would say that. I still wasn't sure didn't think everything that was happening was HAP- salute insanity. I don't remember when I fell asleep. By family, waking up to the sunlight's book strewn around my bed. My right arm massive painful tingles numbness, who and stiff neck. As I walked to the bathroom, prepared to get in the shower. I hoped it was all worth. The hot water gave me comfortable shivers down my spine as I stood that. Letting it wash over me and my thoughts. No matter how soothing the moment should have been. Couldn't completely calm down. Let go of the my stress and concern. Was In you daddy. Friday. That meant another victim to be discovered. The new person to have lost that life because some asshole in the past couldn't deal with people. Being different felt the need to blame someone for his sons own sleep problems. Understood that back then sleepwalking mystery. To go to the lengths that tossed it. The very thought made me sick and I found that I couldn't hate which is for wanting revenge. I did hate them for spreading that curse the entire town, and not just his descendants sole something along those lines. Even now I feel the same. Is Not that I condone the violence that they used all the killings, but it would just make more sense if they targeted specific lineages. But also possibly made it easier to protect whoever was in danger that way? To spending several minutes wishing that I could stay in shelf ever. A false myself to get out. Address quickly and cold Lindsey Nick from the phone in the kitchen. Lindsey Ansett. Could tell by energetic tone the she was well past the First Cup of coffee for the day. Slowdown. Unlike you I haven't been caffeinated yet. I said trying to quell her rambling. What I've been since five. How can you sleep with everything going? She blurted out. I rolled my eyes. FITFULLY WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY I answered sardonically. Get coffee started. I'll grab nick who also managed to sleeps on? Having five or so? Came with a rapid fire words. She definitely didn't need anymore being used for what. We hung up I, did she instructed? About you anyway, I'm honored to myself making sure. The empty kitchen knew that I wasn't just doing what I was told. The coffee brewed. Retrieve the books and notes from my bedroom set them on the table. As one specific book that I want to share with my friends. Contained a couple of spouse about banishing spirits I thought and hoped would be helpful. Lindsey Nick showed up the back door almost ten minutes later. They entered the house. Lindsey with bags under our eyes, but caffeine based energy causing through veins, a nick, looking tired and worn out. She apologized for taking so long citing nick not wanting to get moving. Nick an eye shadow look and he shrugged. Relatives is slightly and shook his hands, telling me that he had no words for his sister's current state. Not In response pointed to the coffeemaker. Hot, still mostly full. He looked relieved and went to fill up a mug while Lindsay and I ask seats the table. Hey Ganesha to Lindsey caught him. No, you have any more and you might explode. Wait a bit I and Jason Body I oughta. She Haram FT frowny but didn't push it. Laced, that was one tiny battle that I just want. Wants. Nick joined us. We began going over the different information and spells. We'd uncovered. Also began to talk about an actual plan was so enthralled in our conversation that none of us had the footsteps coming down the stays toward the kitchen. Haas going on. Luke's voice came as a shock and I almost fell out of my seats. Actually. I did kind of fall out of my seat, but it was a horribly awkward ungraceful set of movements that cross tumbling from my position and moving quickly to get further away from my own road. I've been the closest ones that doorway and therefore luke. My first instinct was to get the hell away. Whereas all standing behind nick, who'd been to my rights? Stat of the three of us. We, all returned his gaze. Speak for Lindsey Nick but. No I was wondering if he was really luke now. If wasn't. In my mind was screaming that we will screw. He end whatever could possibly be possessing him would have made their way into my house, and there was nothing I could think of quickly enough to protect us from him at such short distance. Felt my muscles relax a little low when I saw his confused expression. He doesn't remember. I commented. Remember what? lukasz. Oddly common looked even more tired than before. Something I wasn't sure people. Lucy Nick Nihil shed glasses with one another. Apprehensive about the interaction her what we should telling. Once, will silently agreed with nods. Nick began to explain the previous day to leave. His expression was a mix of disbelief. What I interpreted as numbness as nick spoke? When he finished blue broke down, began apologizing and crying, hiding his face in his hands. Sure of what's really doing the situation? We just gave him half hearted reassurances told him it would hopefully be over soon. After fifteen minutes who am backed working on our plan? Luke. Stop actively crying, but sat silently listening to us and wiping his face every few months. I glanced at him from time to time found so strange. My Big Brother was acting like this. My eight for him when I also thought, he could have been a little stronger like nick and pushed through in order to come up with a solution. Oh try to do something anything to keep more people from dying. Now. I regret having Nashville. Spent the rest of the day offering ideas to one another and shooting some down completely. I was passed by Luke still remained quiet for the most part. I think he was actually feeding back for attacking us, and he took it upon himself to keep the coffee coming. Some of that Lindsey was more thankful for the Nick and I. Even got a snack at one point. I honestly can't even remember what we had now. No matter how hard I try to recall that small DITO. Can easily pick Lindsey's face how it lit up when Luke placed a steaming Mug of Fronta and how Nick Niagara Nd. In my mind I can still see the clock with his hands. Indicating was three twenty four pm when we came up without final plan. I even remember the exact shape and placement to the paper color. Receive when turning the page too quickly. But I can't remember what we eight. Oh how prepared for little quest! Cotton remember if. We stop to get gas. Or even what all the stalls who went to in order to get supplies? Before I realized it. The floor of us with driving amongst trees and no longer in a real road. The Path was almost non-existent and badly large enough for the SUV. Naked already explained that we will be taking a different costs than they did. The Night of the day Ryan, which is was summoned. Instead of walking must of the way we will be driving to the lake. Can Parking and then walking after that? Didn't explain how the heat found this pathway and determine the direction. We would need to walk in order to find the I cage. I was terrified, and he took everything I had just put one foot in front of the other ones. We began the trek through the woods. I kept my hands gripped around the strap of the message. And Luke each carried a small potted pine sapling. Lindsey clutch two bottles of Spring Water, a white candle, an ally to that for some reason. She felt the need to hold instead of leave tucked in the bag. And the iron fencing came into view. I think my stop for a second loyalty. He was Ali at the night. Imagine with twisted Baas, asking from the ground to meet in the AD. The fines that will loop around the Baas at withered the dead, nece, from. is to have spread. Thought back to what Lindsey relates me from Nick. What he said. That attack. It's spreading. McMaster quietly and I watched him. Look at Luke who nodded. The death from the inside was definitely making its way outward. And I wanted just how far my spread, if not contain. Before of walked around and stood at the open games. I think we will all scared to step through the barrier into something so private so personal to the ghosts. was probably easier for nick look and the others to have done with all. They knew the truth. It was just something intriguing and spooky back then. But now it was dangerous and sacred to something, evil and vengeful. We have to get this done. Nick finally spoke. I don't WanNa. Go back him. Luke said small voice. Reminded me of when we were children, and he got scared of the Fun House at a carnival. I'd been afraid I've found the hall of mirrors the random blasts of. The room with the flaws. It shifted as you walked. I found it all absolutely fascinating and fun. I suppose that even back then. I was a little braver than my older brother. Sometimes I. Still Wonder if I should have been born I off to him instead of wanting him to look after me. The girls will. You're going to help me with the trees Mickens. He and Lindsey shed look. unlandscaped him determined on. Followed silently inside. Just as been described before. All sound cease. Once we were inside. It was. For lack of a better term. Silent Tis the gray. I didn't take more than a few seconds to glance around before I took the water bottles from Lindsey and handed had a small packets of poppy seeds from my bag. She took the Monday around then wall to the had stop. The Large White Candle is set on top of the stone. And then she lit it without a one. We watched with bated breath is the flame flickered a few times threatening to go out in a window? We couldn't feel. But then steadied itself and stay lit. She took next to me an open the packets of seeds. Are, then handed on my bag and one of the bottles of water. She slung the strap of one shoulder. We looked into each other's eyes as we both Toke deep inhale. Footsteps made no sounds I approach the graves and open the bottle. There wasn't even a south from the plastic seal being broken. It unnerved me. I pushed my brain to focus on the task at hand. Began to pour the water over the ground once the first poll was empty. I dropped it down and turn to Lindsay. She talks may the second bottle and I cracked open again soundlessly and began to continue saturating the done. This time while speaking the words I'd memorized on the a few hours before. I forgive you. Don't hold me. Hold me. They. Suddenly cut off by breath being knocked out of me. I stumble backward and fell hard on my bugs. Cecil. Lindsey out. Of was muffled as if she was far away. Laughed because. Laughter that I recognized as being multiple dead voices. Two seats I yell back hoping she had me. Something invisible knocked into me again. I found myself struggling to catch my brand. I fought to stand up. If I like a thick blanket was tangled around me, soaked and heavy bearing down on. This one of the strange sensations of Aba found, but called was penetrating every part of my being all why the very gravity surrounding me was intensifying. As I pushed through the false. I saw her begin to spread the seeds over the entire caged area. So have brothers just outside the gates should somehow swan closed without a sound? Trying to open it back up but failing. Call Nixon for second before his attention was taunted with sister. Followed his gaze. So her being lifted into the air. In an instant, the ghosts flickered into being revealing themselves to us. Five of them stood around Linzie holding their arms above their heads, keeping off the ground. To more on me. Gossip site that would have stolen my breath if I'd still being able to breathe. Each had a hand thrust into my chest. Forums vanishing. It's my body. A squeeze then a shop pain from the inside, a new fist clenched around my lungs. They released me. I felt my knees gasping for the ad that I so desperately needed. It stung in my chest and heart all wild bringing life back to me. Lindsay screen. She screamed in. Couldn't. They spun US slowly in the end. Low enough for their, hands to reach. They cut into her. The remaining black and shopping nails fingers. I think I screamed to. And then whole I. knew was pay. Blending. Causing bright flashes in my eyes. My face collided with the ground. Ground against my teeth and into my open mouth. Shop jump shot like lightning my ribcage. Tried to crawl away to get to the bag that had been thrown away from Lindsey. I could see the contents spilling out inspired the knife. Didn't know if it would help, but I needed to get to it at least try. My hopes are being harmful to the spirits with firmed and crushed all of the same time when I felt my hand crunch. Couldn't hear it but I found it. The breaking of the bones resonating through my buddy. Tried out in recoil. One of them my cough and I felt several points. Dig into the skin and drag down's my ankle. Then the screams from Lindsey. Tackling from the evil beings. The entire well. When silence? Sometimes I still find myself wishing that I'd Never Welkom after passing out. How screaming and gasping for breath when I awoke. Whether it was residual from the moment I. Lost Consciousness off from a dream. I don't know. I was confused at that moment. I didn't understand where I was what was going on or how I got TA. It only took a few seconds me to realize that I was in a hospital room complete with machine's beeping next to me. My face wrapped in a bandage and an IV hooked into my out. Nice rushed into the room. No doubts alerted by my screams. I hadn't realized that I was sitting up rights so I felt her hands on my shoulders firm gentle, and she tried to calm you down. Get Me to lie back. Or obliged still panting, but not screaming. I remained silent. She checked my vitals and ache, causing me not to want to open my mouth. She tried. Ask me a few simple questions about how I felt. After attempting to answer feeling, pain and difficulty moving my mouth properly against the bandage. I stuck to answering with a nod or shake of my hands. Despite wondering what happened and how I ended up in the hospital? The main thing I was concerned with the facts I. Woke up alone. Before the nurse, join me room was empty of any other person. My Mom, my Dad Luke Lindsey Nick. None of them were here. As. The US finished up on a show of me that she was going. Get my doctor. I went over the final moments that I could recall. From what I assumed, Lindsey would likely be in her own as well which would account for Nick, not being here but. I expected at least one member of my own family have been at my bedside. Looked around the small room and found a pit. Make itself known in my stomach. I felt fuzzy from the pain medication. There's something more. Surreal surrealness couldn't put my finger on. Knew something wasn't right. But I didn't know what it was yeah. My questions would be answered by the kind faced doctor that came into my room a few minutes after the nurses left. He was patient with me, spoke with a soft concern voice. He also seem genuinely sad to be the one to give me the grave news. First of all. I was told that it was now late Saturday afternoon. I've been unconscious to around twenty four hours at that point. Next, he explained that my life would soon be in a cast for awhile while Judy being broken in two places along with deep gashes and damage to the muscles in my car off. Choose to the stitches. They wouldn't put a hard cast on just yet so I had to wear a sort of medical splint started at my knee. Can't my foot immobilized as well? He expected a painful and possibly long recovery process, but was hopeful I would be able to regain most if not all of the leg with physical therapy and time. I ended up also losing my pinkie finger on the hand that the witch had crushed as well as having a cast from knuckles to above my elbow. Being dislocated and take up the two months to heal, and that time has to do my best refrained from speaking and eating anything too difficult to cheap. was almost as if I was only now realizing my own body and damage as he pointed each thing out. Then came the difficult part for him to say. And even more difficult for me to hear. Lindsey didn't make it. A my father was gone. The instant I had about my father. All noise dulled. I felt my entire body. Go numb. Couldn't be cracked. There was just no way. I, vaguely remember him telling me that my mother will be here soon. If we had any questions to let him know. In the time I was alone. I kept going over every possible reason as to why the doctor would have been wrong. I couldn't believe it. I want. Just couldn't be that simple. Couldn't be gone. was just absolutely no way he was right. It was my dad. My mother could have messy days just like anyone else, but she never looked disheveled as I saw her that day. When she entered the room. It was obvious she'd been crying. She looked more than just tired. She looked completely be down exhausted broke. Just seeing her like that confirmed what the doctor told me. I didn't even have to us. She slid and in mind and I closed my eyes tights while they welled up with teas. My Baby, she whispered to me. The voice was quiet meek and threatened to break with even just those two. She was in pain and it hurt me more than my physical injuries to see her like this. All of the weight of my failure hit me in a split second. The four of us thought we could get it done and fix everything. But we had fail. I. Fail. Luke. I asked a great difficulty. My throat fact dry in the word scratch is out. Oh. My mindset. Maltese threatening to spill. We Sat in silence for awhile. She fought back around his I could tell that she was trying to stay strong for me as she tried each of my own to us. She didn't ask question. She didn't try to make me till. I felt the sorrow with my father being gone now, but I still struggled with truly accepting it. I wanted to that. It was all just a dream that I would wake up and find. It was just a vivid, entirely insane nightmare. I still wish to this day, but I've come to terms with the tragedy that we found my family and that town. Nick showed up a few hours later. And the tears slowed. Pick back up as I was reminded of my best friend dying as well. Mom left alone for A. Saying she was going to go home and check on Luke. She promised to be back soon for my discharge. I'd already undergone the minus surgery needed an aside from Africa. There's nothing left the hospital to do. I wanted to go home. My mom wanted me home. The doctor didn't even it and agreed to discharge me. As I waited my mother's return and my release. Nick showed up and softly tapped on the door before poking his head through our opening. Bid Him into with my good hand shut the door softly behind him before taking seats. I started. But he had his hand up, stop me. Hon. into. How you feeling. I managed to get out. Even with the medicine in my system, still eight to speak. Before he said anything else I pointed to my jaw, the bandage around my head. Without a word he pulled a pen and notebook from the Messenger bag that I hadn't noticed he was wearing. It was my messenger bag. The one that we packed full of magical help take taking with us to the gravesite. He stood and gently place the notebook open to a page on my lap and held depends on my good hands. For the first time that day I felt thankful for something. The fact that had been my left hand that was really torn up. I wasn't sure why this before either. Have they told you about Lindsay. Asked. I didn't need the aids to answer this. I not? Have you talked to Luke. He posed another question. I Shit my head and scribbled at home on the paper and how we could see. I messed up, see. I thought you would safe. He said beginning to sniff all. I gave him a confused look. He then explained. Lukin I with the ones they should been after still. I didn't think you. A Lindsay would be in too much danger with us there. I. Think you had what they sat about Lindsey? I shook my head again. When he didn't respond, I wrote. You took a deep ragged breath waited a few seconds. Man spoke. said she is the perfect Friday's child. He brought that chosen one right to. Arise Matt and we stat into each other's for a moment. For about a minute. We were the only ones in this strange world. Though out of darkness and pain and loss. No one else existed simply because no one else could know the pain and guilt that we were both feeling. We understood each other then, and knew that we were kindred spirits in the way, only those loose so much at the same time can be. We went through a traumatic event other and not even luke would fully understand. He couldn't not really. He was too much in his own well fuel by more anger than pain. My thoughts turned to him. And I felt my own anger beginning to rise up. Angry at him at the ghosts at the town. That Thomas who caused this cuss at my dad for dying. Myself a fanny. At my body for being so broken. They can't get away with this I jotted down. Nick gave me a strange. His browse for he tried to understand what I was thinking now. Who sure that he saw the determination, my eyes and finally shook his hand. His eyes was sad. I knew he wasn't agreeing with me. No. He was asking me not to try again. He can't. You could have died Lindsay died. His voice choked on the last word. I up to the notebook began writing ally. Erase slowly built in me. To take a page from Luke spunk. I had to get angry. This was the only way would get through this and it. The only way I could get my own vengeance and stop anyone else from getting her. Even if it killed me. At made up my mind in a matter of seconds. I would be going back. And I would go tonight before Sunday came. Before someone else could become a victim. I showed Luke what written. He took the notebook into his hands and read equality. To do this. ICON anyone's death. Be Meaningless, not from this. I saw some preventative measures. And I'll go alone this time. I'll stop them if it kills me. He stared at the page longer than necessary to read the words. After a long few minutes he looked up at me and search my eyes with his own. Ten, as well, both in his and mine and I mentally begged and screamed and pleaded for him to understand. This curse had taken away. My father might teach Ya. And now my best friend. It had taken my finger, may my body, and still after my brother and my best friend's brother. Someone who didn't deserve to die? It stolen so much from my life had the lives around me? Witches hat to be stung. Nodded very slowly and set the notebook on his lap. With you, he said in a soft voice. I shook. My head is vehemently is I was able to. He clinched his Joran. Stab me in the eyes with his own anger and determination. He took his own stance. Some made it clear. That's not a question. A few hours later after night had fallen. I found myself maneuvering my body with a leg. That was way out of commission into the forerunner. Next today, trying to aid me, but all I could do was snap at him and tell him I had it handled. I didn't regret how harsh I was with him until lighter. Was Easy sneak out to reassuring my mom that I be all right and spiking a cup of tea with painkiller that I been prescribe with. was also sure to bring that specific medication with me and had nick supply a large. The must have strong coffee. I'm not sure how he was able to sneak out. and honestly until now I hadn't really thought about it. Even, in all, the time has passed since this. Just never considered that detail. I wasn't sure where Luke was, nor did I really can. Last I, knew he was a gain, hold up in his room, avoiding the world. In my opinion, that was the best place for him right now. Despite his help. The last time we attempted this I couldn't guarantee that he wouldn't be possessed again especially going there after Tom. Went Ghost seemed more active. And I driving silence to stop the cottage in the woods. We needed to gather a few things. I was sure I'd seen that. Due to my leg I ended up sitting in the running while Nick Ron inside to grab the specific items. was unnerving sitting there the night. Knowing that they could be looking anyway. I felt like a sitting up. Shortly after they left me. Reached over and managed to turn off the headlines. I thought that maybe they could alert the which is that we were there somehow. And it would be a little safer without. Next! We headed to the gravesite. When we on that before we chosen to bring two bottles of store bought Spring Walter with us. This time however! Naked prepared for this part of the ritual by finding a real spring, filling up three gallon jugs the water. As we approached now destination. I went through the items. He'd retrieved from Miss Johnson's cottage. Fennel. To more white candles, a book of matches some sticks of incense into amulets to be worn around each vowel Nex. The one I gave Nick Twa. Right now. No is called a Hamsah. Was a metal figure of a hand with an intricate design and an eye with a blue stone carved into the palm. The one I chose, myself was much simpler and I felt drawn to it. It was a hollow upside down triangle with a purple stone place in the center, the fakes to each of the three sides. Pretty Nick said when I put mine on position over my clothes to sit against my chest. I glanced at him and wanted to answer with a smile, but found myself unable to do so. Instead I gave him a small not. The only part of Johnny that I hadn't thought out his how exactly I was going to manage the woking portion. I've been so concerned with finding and thinking of preventative measures. You know it's complete the ritual this time that my inability to use. My right leg had been completely overlooked. Thankfully. I was the only one who'd forgotten. Nick try to combat this issue by passing where we pop before him pushing SUV, through the brush and down a walking PA. It was narrow, and the trees were frighteningly close at times, but he was able to get as much closer to the grave site in possibly ever been driven before. Eventually, though we did come to a spot where it was impossible to pass a vehicle. must frustrating powers. It was short of the gravesite by maybe one hundred yards. The instant tire the Dole. I found a cool breeze. It was unnatural felt more like the cold breath a sleeping giant. Giant was hungry for us. My message bag over my chest and use the car itself to get out and stand beside it. jus My broken arm. Could only use one crunch which nick pooled from the back seat and handed to me. I put it under. My armpit began. The frustratingly slow hiked the iron cage. I couldn't even hold a flashlight easily, so I struggled to use the light of the headlights. We purposely left on this time. I guess the last time we were here. Naked felt that the few seconds it took to get. The car started with two seconds wasted. Let me love. He be sure to leave it running this time round. You didn't have the heart to tell him they'd. It'd be more likely. I would take longer to get back to the car. He would in running ahead of me and starting out. Caught up to me within a minute and we continued still without speaking. I was as a lot could be give him a heavy dose of pain relief I had in my system. A few times I felt myself begin to stumble. Nick was right there next to me. His arms out making sure I didn't fold. And the Kate was in. I paused dug around in my bag and gave him the sheet of paper that had the incantation. Due to my inability to speak very well. We agreed that he would be the one to say. How? He shifted the Duffel bag full of water jugs up onto his shoulder and took the page reading over his mind by the light of his flashlight. Just a few more yards we will begin. This time starting before we were inside. Because he sean light of RAPA. I caught a glimpse of the unfinished holes and small pine saplings lie near the gate. Stop for them. As I saw the scene we left. Remember this short time ago. We've been here with US evenings. One of which was gone forever now. Are you ready? Not With award ahead just for good measure. If you WANNA start with the seeds. Nick said in a low voice. I managed to whisper by. I stopped for a moment in order to retrieve the newly stock supply of poppy seeds naked picked up. The agrue still somehow chilled me more to the bone. The breeze had. Trans-. Rather Lucy's on the packet into my broken hand. was that more like a cup than a fist I carefully prepared myself to move my shoulder in order to gently spill the seeds as we continued walking. I gave him a nod. He began the incantation that I hadn't been able to finish before. We forgive you. He began. I tried to feel the words as he spoke them tried to find something in my heart forgive. I was angry though my heart just couldn't agree. I kept my thoughts myself. He kept speaking. Don't Hamas. Don't haunt us. They behave badly towards you. Thomas is the one who murdered you. Please forgive. US We forgive you. As you repeated the entire thing. Second Time we arrived at the game. The second nick was close to it. A hand showed out from between the bars and grabbed shot pulling him in close. He winced the kept speaking the smell. All the while looking the dead witch in the. She fool. Another of them. Smoke materializing these words. To the older rotting man with hatred burning inside of me. I didn't go. I attempted to demand. The bandage around my head in the healing jaw made it difficult to sound very strong. and. They laughed in unison. Five coming into view. The ones beautiful young woman. No doubt the original Monday's child was the one grasping nick. She gasped and dropped to hold recoiling it if something had struck. I saw a faint blue glow, and immediately understood that she had come into contact with his amulet by the way she held her hand. After only a second, she lashed out once more snarling like an animal. She lunched the May to grab for his head. I shut signs and I begged her not to be able to touch him. What is this? I had a booming voice. ECHO around us. I opened my eyes to see the maiden on the ground seemingly not back. A Soft Blue Ara envelope next entire body, and he was looking down at his own glowing hands. His head turned and shot me a look. You touch us. We only wished to help you and this town mice about. Paying shot three. My face and tears began to well. I didn't want to help him. It was a lie I just wanted to be rid of them. I wanted them to burn in how. A voice came from behind us. It was a familiar voice an unexpected voice. Voice that would have brought me to my knees if I hadn't been propped up with a crunch. I felt my handful in the seeds tumbled out into heat on the ground. No. Nicks work came was a faraway whisper. Quiet fill my ears. My breath stopped. I slowly shifted my weight and did my best to turn around and see spoken. I didn't want it to be true. I wanted it to be a cruel trick from the witches. I wanted to believe it wasn't possible. It was too soon to insane. Just something anything, but who it really was. Although, my wish for Nick Three unharmed somehow what? My wish written ought to be Lindsey fail. She stood there. A similar visas to the cursed ghosts with wounds, still appeared to receiving blood bones that bent at all angles. Face twisted with anger. Let them kill me. She said. The gaselee echo of her voice match that of the other ghosts and it broke my. No. We tried to stop them. Nikki exclaimed now turned to face her. Couldn't see the Tis but I could hear the pain and the crying in his Willis. Not Choose to have rather. She stretched out and pointed at me. I try. I town. You should have known what would happen. You were the one in. You didn't complete the spell you or the reason I died. You Selfish Bitch. She spat. My broken heart sank deeper shattering more with every faint beat. I was Datu. Nikki Outta. Now. When I think back on that moment. I can be so grateful that he stuck up for me. But then I felt was not. You try. You outside. She was inside with me. My Dad best friends. dropped back down to aside and she tilted ahead. I'm so sorry. I said between tastes. Her arrival stolen all of the anger and rage and hatred from me, replacing it with sorrow, heartache and pain. The goes behind us must have decided to take advantage of the situation and us being distracted. I felt hands grabbed me from behind and grip me tightly. They were on my shoulders, my my legs and my head. Agony ripped through me. And I didn't see nick dot over to me. A warmth began to spread of my body slowly as he wrapped his arms around me as best he could. The, which is let go for a moment and helped me tighter. His protective glow seeping into my body and tried to protect me as well. Through all of this, he somehow managed to get turned around so that his back was to the ghost mine. WHO's to Lindsey? Clutched the back of his shirt with my good hand, and fought back the urge to bury my face in his shoulder and cry. So the which is spread into a semicircle and begin advancing on us. The glow that have surrounded nick before was very soft, but as soon as he tried to add me to it. It became dollar. A. Semicircle morphed into a full circle as they closed in on us. Out On tied. Nick whispered against my hair and I pressed myself into him, felt myself lifted off the ground, and they used all of his strength to carry me between two of the ghosts and through the iron gate. Silence have been intense before, but now it felt heavy. He sat me down against the headstone. The, candles, he said. My mind is start working, but luckily my body responded. I pull the two candles from the bag and set them up on the stone one. Either side of waxy spoke left my APP previous attempt. Struggled to strike the first match, but fled to life finally. I let one then the. Spread these on the graves quickly I sat through the blinding pain in my jaw and handed him some more packets of poppy seeds. He snaps them from my hand and rhythm open while moving quickly over the resting place. I'm not sure if he noticed but I. Watching horrified silence, the ghosts passed through the gate. Even without holding onto me anymore, his own was fading back into nothing. He was going to be completely unprotected soon. Look around helplessly as they closed in on him. I was frozen and knew that it was my phone that Lindsey was gone. Almost as if someone and signed by my thought of her. Lindsey appeared next to her brother. You will not touch him. She screamed at the others. The falls of her voice made them stop, and they seemed as if they come upon the physical barrier. I forgive you. Deng. Don't haunt me. They behave badly to haunt you. Please forgive them. I. Forgive you nick chanted. He repeated over and over. He finished spreading the seeds. Go see the GNASH their teeth at Lindsey for a moment. She calmly placed a hand on nick shoulder and whispered something in his in. He ran for the entrance. and. I looked on at everything as he moved out of sight into. Losing their first choice. The witches turn their attention to me. About. One of them is. Lindsay responded. I don't care. She was never got friend. Deformed, demonic smile spread across their faces and they began advancing. Adopted the ground my but lending hard against the done. I cry. I couldn't do anything but cry and say I'm sorry over and of. I was broken. Child less than a typical human. I deserve to die. Before. I knew it. My eyes shut tight. I felt the hands upon me once again. I felt touch bun. My skin like an ice cold fire. And I felt the pain from their deaths one by one in rapid succession. And I could do nothing but cry Honda as their hatred for through me. I'm not bragging. I'm no here. I should have died that my. My life did not flash before my eyes in an instant. He was drawn out and the memories were all of those. I shared with Lindsay and my father. Melted into one another. Blending with a sorrow and rage and pain that was being inflicted on me from the outside. Had of the entire experience. The single thing I learned with I'm not the hero, and this was not my story. This was the story of Lindsey. The kind and wonderful Gal that I grew rodway. The, one that should have survived instead of me. Base was the story of neck. The caring valiant older brother, whatever he could to rescue others, every chauncey gum. This. Was the story of a man. Who tortured and murdered innocent people creating a curse on that town. Cursed wasn't fat the generations after them. This was a story of how I should have. But I didn't. I was rescued once more again while I was unconscious. That was what I was good at. Passing out and being a bird. I came to outside of the cage. Nick was there as was Lindsay. Shoving found the lock on the outside of the gates and I saw the ghost standing in the bows, yelling and cussing US unable to break free again and unable to even touch the bar in order to rattle their in frustration like the inmates that they once again, what? Never forgotten the full story as to just how I ended up on the outside. I can only assume that nick carried me out, but. I don't know how he managed to even get to me. The thing I know for sure is he lost his ability to speak. His tongue somehow cut out by the horrifying cursive things that were finally shut off from the world again. I wish I could say that. I tried several times to find out the truth. But. I didn't. Once a week. I did the best I could to help him complete the precautions and finish planting the pine, saplings. Showed only once that his tongue been sliced. Somehow Courtrai is more than halfway and. I. Gave Him some of my pain medication on the way home. I'd love to tell you a story where I truly helped, and we defeated some great evil, saving the town and its future. And the truth is. I. I can only share what I remember. Last what I've done. In order to save my own life, my best friend. I had to make a promise the following night to leave town never attempt to speak to nick again. Lindsey came to me waking me up from a medication in juicy. Life of my lamp front across a- healed face. As I sat up my bed, confused and frightened. We had enough. I cannot deny. By. The back, the HADES. I know right now right this moment. That you aren't the reason, I. I can accept. But I can't hold onto that. A cotton. Know that you will be in contact with my brother and not feeling right? It's uncontrollable and seeing you with Nick makes me want to polio in size out through a small Gash Inoue Sophocles. You. Need to go home. She spoke calmly. A hand gently laid on mine as I felt the conflict that she felt. I couldn't blame him for wanting me dead. She wanted to keep her brother safe so far the only thing I'd done was helped. Put Him in harm's way. Yes! He was part of the reason that the ghost were released in the first place. But he could have done like Luton hide inside his home, protected by the I and knives buried in the yard and the horseshoe on the doll. Instead. Share my plan with him and Lindsey. Let them join me. After Lindsay was killed. I shed my new idea with Nick. Pot of me knowing that he probably wouldn't let me go alone. So. I nodded in response. She moved from Mine and touch my face off. Enough I could barely even fit. And she spoke a final. What's to? Come. I packed up a small amount of my belongings and spoke with my mom the following day. Brought me to see US saddened by my decision, but in the end she didn't fight it, and she seemed to understand the least honey to get out of here for one reason or another. Look stayed with her while I moved to a different state to live with my uncle. He didn't know the first thing about raising a child. Let alone a broken teenager. But he did his best. I only saw my brother twice more after that. Two years after I left that town and everything that had happened in it. MOM found Luke's body in the bathtub. She would admit to me He'd been struggling with depression for a long time even before black week happened. Finding that out shed light on some things that he didn't said Andy's absence I never even considered before. To this day, I struggle with Phillips of He'd been a better brother, and wishing I'd been a better. Sister understood his pain. And didn't blame him for so much. In a month is passing. My mother was checked into a mental hospital. Remains to this day. Few hours drive from me. Try to visit her at least twice a month. Brain shutdown. She simply became unable to Kaffa so. Sometimes, she seems to recognize me. Other Times is more like having an awkward lunch with a stranger in a cafe. At least she still alive. Although I was told never to return. I did go back to the town once and once only. For Luke's few. I stayed one night. Song Linzie everywhere. Know if we sat and if you go stole only my mind conjuring an image of her. Maybe even a combination of the two. Either way? Night show to avoid it. He was out the funeral, but when he looked as if he would approach me, I quickly walked away and pretended not to see all even recognize. We'd only spoken once. My plan to keep it that way. Once he boxed up the books from the cottage and sentenced to me. I thanked him never said another word. The last time I saw Lindsey was when I was driving out the town limits. She stood next to the goodbye sign. She looked the same when she died. Broken bloody and Gosling. Her head nodded to me once and I glanced in the rear view mirror several times until she and the sign will no longer inside. My Heart's broke. All. Over. Again. Through storytelling finally over I hope you enjoy that one as much as I did have to say, that's one of the very favorite things I've ever done on the channel here. My thanks, of course, the whiskey the author. Brilliant brilliant story so happy to be working with her again. We've had some good stories down. The is and this one. I think was one of the best pub you agree. Shed a bitter nasty instant, really somebody plagiarizing his story putting on Amazon and claiming is their own. As being cleared up, but hate to see that kind of thing, especially such a talented authors. Difference I of course we'll be back again on Friday. Not Quite sure what with yet, but I'll be. Hope, you'll join me until that sweet dreams and by. Thank you so much for choosing to spend your time listening to me. Now if you enjoyed the doctor creeping experience and come, find me on facebook. Come chat with me on twitter. Listened to the background music and download it if you might come soundcloud dropped by the stall, pick up, teasha. and. Importantly. If you go to store, you'd like me to read. Senator Dr Treatments World. Sub Red. I set up so that I could read your story stories. 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The Photography of Frances Benjamin Johnston

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The Photography of Frances Benjamin Johnston

"This episode of stuff. You missed in history. Class is brought to you by the completely redesigned twenty twenty Ford Explorer. This is not a vehicle. That's going to take to the moon or to the the bottom of the sea but it's one that you can use for all kinds of exploration and adventure in your everyday life as you're going around town if you're traveling just going over to the grocery store to get everything you need for your kid's birthday party once again. That is the all new Ford Explorer. The greatest exploration vehicle of all time. Welcome to stuff. You missed in history class. A production of iheartradio's works Hello and welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Holly Fry am tracing Wilson and as is is often the case sometimes when you work on one show you spiral off and start seeing other things that are vaguely related to the topic of that. Show that you really want to do an episode on MHM It happens to us all the time and sometimes I can put those off for a while and I'm like I don't feel like a burning need like I gotta do this now but I don't know y this one not the same deal. I wanted to do it right away so while I was working on our recent live show that we did about spirit photography I of course stumbled across a whole whole bunch of other interesting photographers from history that I wanted to talk about but this one in particular really stood out and initially it was because of a very striking and really really fun self portrait that she made the eighteen hundreds. But here's what really struck me about. Today's topic Feigning Johnston and her work. She is tied ride to so many people and events that we have talked about on this show before. She's kind of like a history next this point she's really well connected and she was able to make a very nice is living for herself as a photographer. Chia very long career that spanned the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. So Vani was born Frances. Benjamin Johnston on January fifteenth eighteen. Sixty four parents were Francis Antoinette. Benjamin and Anderson Donovan Johnston. She's born in Grafton West Virginia. The johnstons moved to Rochester New York. When fanny was still very young so they could be nearer to her? Maternal grandmother by the mid eighteen seventies. The Johnston said moved to Washington. DC Anderson was working at the Treasury Department. As a bookkeeper and Fanny's mother Francis was a journalist she wrote for the Baltimore Sun and other the DC area newspapers. The Johnston's really supported fanny. They encouraged her to study art when she showed an interest in it. She was in a position of really rare rare privilege for a young woman of era. Her family could afford to support her while she studied and they were one hundred percent willing to just let her figure out her own path and and her own desires yet does not appear at any point in time that they were like. Are you GonNa get married or are you gonNA find a husband. Are you going to be a mom. They really were like great. Go Study Art. Wherever are you on in eighteen? Eighty three fanny graduated from Notre Dame of Maryland Collegiate Institute for Young Ladies and after her undergraduate work she traveled to Paris is to attend the Academy Liam where she studied art particularly drawing and painting. He's been several years in Paris and then returned home to Washington. DC In one thousand nine hundred five because he joined the Art Students League which is an organization that offered ongoing development as well as studio space and a sense of community fanny also started working being in journalism. I as an illustrator for news stories but sometime in the late eighteen eighty S. You'll sometimes listed as eighteen. Eighty eight fanny discovered the field that would become her. Life's passion and that was photography. She started studying photography at the Smithsonian Institution under the mentorship of Thomas smelly who was a Scottish edition American photographer. Who served as the Smithsonian's first staff photographer and first photography curator and that first camera she owned came from George Eastman Eastman of Eastman? Kodak Story of how that happened is a little bit. Fuzzy Fanny would help people later in her life that she wrote to Eastman asking some questions about the camera and then he sent her one as a gift more likely than not she had connections to Eastman's through her mother's side of the family. Yes she kind of liked to tell it almost as though she was a random anonymous person just may sending him a letter and asking some questions and that he generously sent this back but it does seem especially because the Eastman family was also from Rochester. That they were somehow connected to her. Mother's side fannies. Formal art training was something that informed her work with the camera and gave her something of a headstart in that field. Compared to other photographers she also was very aware of this and a little bit proud of it. She had a sense of composition and light value. That really the enabled her to frame incredibly beautiful photos through her lens. Her Parisian training also gave her a degree of cash shea esteem that along with her connections through Smelly Lee and her family put her on really good footing to start her career. She started that career right away not long after starting her study with smelly fanny also started. Working is a professional freelance photographer by eighteen eighty nine. She was publishing her own articles with full photographic illustration for publications like Cosmopolitan Harper's Harper's weekly and a lot of other periodical. 's The first of these was a piece called Uncle Sam's money that ran demerist's family magazine and it showed the process the producing currency including both coins and bills in eighteen. Ninety one fanny. Johnston had her first. Show mounting an exhibit at The Washington. DC venue the the Cosmos Club which was quote a private Social Club for women and men distinguished in science literature. The Arts a learned profession or public service which which was founded in eighteen. Seventy eight and still exist today. She soon started having showings of her work. In New York City as well in eighteen ninety to eighteen ninety three family was one of the official photographers. The world's Columbian Exhibition in Chicago while Fanny continued her freelance journalism photography in the mid eighteen nineties. She also opened her own photography studio the studio she set up specifically to take portraits and it was behind her parents house on V street in Washington. DC Z.. Portrait commissions that made up the bulk of her income for years. Her family was well connected. And that meant that the High Society of Washington DC which included some very powerful people would go to her for their portrait's these connections in turn fed her journalism career. She got great assignments from editors who knew that she could get access to people that the average photographer might not be able to. Yeah this is kind of a good example of like how a position of privilege it can really help someone when we're not conscious of it. It really was the case for like her family's positioning and how many people they knew and how many people people like them. We're feeding both sides of her career like one to the other in the late eighteen. Ninety s fanny worked for George Grantham. Bain who was a photographer who had started the Bain News Service which was a photo syndicate that served periodicals throughout the country. I have seen the numbers as more than fourteen of like the major newspapers in the country were using using photos from his service. Fanny also gained access to the White House around. This time is a regular photographer. That was a job. She initially got an assignment through demerist's and she took photos in the White House beginning in the Benjamin Harrison presidency and she continued assignments they are right up through the Theodore Roosevelt administration coming up. We'll talk about some of fannies most famous photographs which are self portraits. But first we will pause for a quick sponsor break this episode of Steffi Missing History classes brought to you by Pelivan this holiday season. 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It's going to keep them coming back and keep them exercising and happy this holiday you can give the gift of Peleton for a limited the time get one hundred dollars off accessories when you purchase the Peleton bike go to one PELETON DOT COM and use the Promo Code History at checkout. That's one Y. O. M. E. PELETON DOT COM and use the Promo Code History As mentioned before the break Some of Johnston's most famous photographs were taken during the eighteen nineties and these were self-portraits showing her in a variety of different guises and they served as an interesting commentary on the way women were seen and how they perceive themselves as is. The Victorian era came to a close says also one of these portraits. That caught my eye initially when I stumbled across her in one self portrait. She looks every bit the Society Lady Lady. She's posing in a for a wide brimmed hat that has trimmed with ribbon and several ostrich plumes and her elbow rests on the arm of the chair that she sitting in and her gloved hand. Am Sort of reaches up to her face with her index finger resting on her jaw and the rest of her fingers tucked under her Chin in another photo which is quite famous. She's very very unladylike. For the time period she sits in front of a fire on what looks like a box. Her right ankle is crossed over her left knee so that reveals her petticoat in stockings. She's wearing plaid blouse with leg of mutton sleeves and dark cap on her head. Her right elbow is balanced on her right knee and she's leaned forward at an angle angle to do this. She has a cigarette in her right hand and then her and her left hand. which is that her hip? She has a Beer Stein. She appears to be deeply interested in something thing to the left of the frame from the viewers angle and there are six photographic portraits on the mansell behind her all featuring male subjects. She titled This Photo New Woman. It's is the striking self portrait that highly referenced. Back at the top of the show. I really love that picture me to you. It's one of those things that it's staged obviously because it's a self portrait but she's so good at it that it does look like you've kind of caught someone in the middle of a moment where they're completely unconscious only they look. She looks like she is super engaged or something like she's leaned way forward. It looks like she maybe about to say something or tell someone off. It's really great. Eight photo and very much not appropriate. For a lady of the day She also made several portraits in which she is gender. Bending fully dressed in men's wear an unsporting a false moustache and in some of the portraits where she's dressed as a man. Another woman appears who is also dressed in the same style full menswear with a moustache and a third woman men in more traditional ladies where for the period also appears in those pictures so these another self portraits including one in which she's going about her work in the studio offer a unique spectrum of identities for one woman and it's possible that her chameleon like nature was helping her make her way in a profession. That was really dominated by men. Dan I mean she's succeeded in this field in spite of it being so dominated by men she clearly understood the social rules regarding the expectations of dress and behavior for women. She was also comfortable stepping way outside those boundaries yet again. That's one of the things that I think. Most children that had not not been born to the privilege of having parents going. Yes explore yourself would never have gotten to that level of confidence where they would be able to do those things particularly in this era unsurprisingly. Johnston was outspoken about the need. For Women to redefine their options and their identities outside of the predefined roles of mother wife and homemaker maker in one thousand nine hundred seven. She wrote an article for the Ladies Home Journal which was titled what a woman can do with a camera and this article urged women to consider photography the as a profession and a means to support themselves. The article opens with quote in order to solve successfully the problem of making a business profitable the woman who either must or will earn her own living needs to discover a field of work for which there is a good demand in which there is not too great competition. And what's her. The individual tastes render in some way. Congenial she goes on to mention that for some women that quote restricted fields of typewriting stenography clerking bookkeeping et Cetera. Would prove wearing an uncongenial to them. Fanny also listed the qualities that she believed were necessary for successive photography in those included -cluded good common sense unlimited patients to carry her through endless failures equally unlimited tact good taste a quick I a talent for detail detail and a genius for hard work. She vote that a woman who was hard working and energetic could find success and that quote Small Beginnings Could Reap large results so this article is not a bunch of cheerful fluff. About how all you need is a determination fanny really broke down. Exactly how the industry worked and what it feels good for beginners. Portrait's she felt. We're best saved for when you got a little more experience but taking pictures of homes animals and children outdoors and staging photographic autographing copies of paintings. Were all good places for beginners to make some money and she really made the point that while someone wanting to go into the field could get training for taking taking photos. Running a business was a whole other. skillset choose very clear about this and she thought it was best learned through experience. She also felt the professional photographers had to say. On top of the latest advancements of the art she then included practical information about cameras and lenses and tips for taking photos. Rose to help a newcomer get started. She concludes by insisting that women have to charge an appropriate amount for their work quote. Good work should command good prices aces and the wise woman will place paying value upon her best efforts. She explains that this is really where tact as necessary and remained steadfast throughout throughout that photography is the perfect career for an ambitious woman. I feel like the good work should command. Good prices should be like still today framed in hung everywhere I was she was not one of those. I'll work for exposure women. It was like I made this art for you. You will pay me now. How bad article appeared in Ladies Home Journal in September of eighteen ninety seven and it was much talked about even a year later? The same article was quoted almost entirely early in another article this appearing in the periodical the photo beacon which is of course and aimed towards photographers and this of it makes clear that families advice is good for not just women but all photographers in the October eighteen ninety eight volume in which it appears at states quote her counsel on the management and arrangement of a portrait studio on the treatment of sitters and on the business side of argosy is so sound and so- applicable. Not only to those who are about to enter your professional life but also to those who are already in business that we reprint it in full as an interesting side. Note as we consider Johnston's writing which is full of ideas of empowerment for women. Johnston identified as Bohemian nod as any kind of activist from the suffrage movement or anything else that was related specifically typically to the rights of women. Obviously we don't mean Bohemian. In the sense of someone from Bohemia or in the more pejorative connotation that it took on for a while in connection with the Romani Fanny was using it in that romanticized sense that tied it to unconventional artists and that usage came into popularity in the mid nineteenth century with the staging of the play. Lavi La Boheme in Paris which was an adaptation of the on rimmer. Gay Novel Send Elevator and coming up. We're GONNA talk about an event that has been featured many times on this show comes up over and over to was an XS point in history. We're going to get to that right after we I. I have a sponsor break. This episode is brought to you by the all new twenty two thousand Ford Explorer Tracy. I know that you have been thinking about an interesting thing lately. Which is what your pick would be the greatest exploration vehicle of all time? Yeah I'M GONNA go with the research vessel petrol that was owned by the late Paul Allen that found so many -ship wrecks which our listeners love that we started to make jokes about it like we were like and this is a shipwreck. That wasn't found by that vessels. Well the all new twenty Tony. Ford explorer is the greatest exploration vehicle of all time. There are a lot of places that have been explored by other vehicles. But this vehicle the Ford Explorer is GonNa take you to places that you might not think of explorations but really can be for example. Maybe you've got to navigate your life and you have to get around town which can be a whole big problem especially if you live in a city like Atlanta where traffic tends to be congested. Sometimes you just WanNa go on a great vacation and riding a perfect vehicle makes it the ideal ride or or even just mundane things like going to the grocery store. Sometimes that is a true feet to achieve. If you buy groceries the way I do you can do all of this Taymor with the all new two thousand twenty four explorer. That's the all new twenty twenty four and explorer the greatest exploration vehicle of all time the nineteen hundred exposition UNIFIL sell in. Paris has come up a number of times on the show. I feel like everybody. Who is anybody in one thousand nine hundred in Paris for that that show and here? It is again Fanny Johnston attended entered a number of photographs into competition there. She went gold medal for a series of photos. She took public schools in the Washington. DC Area and she also took home a grand prize for her series of photos of the Hampton Normal and agricultural institute so these photos over time have become the focus of heated discussion. Shen because they show black native American students really through a White Victorian Lens. We've talked about some folks that studied at that school in the podcast. Before in the context of their era. These images which were commissioned by the school were intended to show European audiences that the United States was progressive educational and all systems which were integrating black native American students into White Society but that meant stripping them of their own culture in the process. This is a deeply flawed ideology. It's like I said something that's come up on the show before that mindset in addition to the Hampton normal school specifically. And if you WanNa really dig into these pictures I am how they've been perceived over the years. There's a really interesting analysis of these photos and how they've been viewed at three different times when they've been on display That that article article came out in the summer of two thousand eight. In an issue of history of photography we will have linked to in the show notes but the abbreviated version is that at nineteen hundred Paris exhibition. They were just as we mentioned a sort of self congratulatory promotional material. The second exhibition mounted at the Museum of Modern Art in nineteen sixty six tried to decontextualize decontextualize them from any discussion of race. And just treat the photos simply as art which is very problematic in its own way And in two thousand a Williams uh-huh College Museum of Art Exhibition Mounted by Contemporary Artists. Carrie Mae weems focused on the controversial nature of the photos and their history and the nature of racism in in education and how it is perceived both from the white perspective and from the Black Native American perspective while Nineteen Hundred Paris Exhibition was going on Paris was the the host city for a concurrently running event which was the International Congress of photography for that gathering. Fanny insured that the matter of women in the field was up for discussion discussion. She put together an exhibition of art voters by women and also lectured on the topic of women in photography. I had read one description of it that she had put together this exhibition she was one of only two women that actually were there but she had arranged really like great personal effort to have the work of women. Both novices and professionals exhibited at this show and at those crates full of photographs arrived before her and the people there that were prepping it could could not wait for her because they were really curious. What is collection of women's photos? Look like so. They had already opened all of the crates when she got there just because they wanted to see them. There was such a great sort of curiosity about how this whole thing was going to work. And what this idea of women. Photography was in September nineteen o one President William McKinley. He was photographed by Fanny at the Pan American Exposition. We've talked about this on another recent episode. This was the last photo that was ever taken McKinley because he was shot the next day and then died some days later in one thousand nine. Five fanny story links up with another past podcast subject. Which is the Lumiere brothers? As Johnston made her way around Europe that year she stopped in France to visit with them and she got up to speed on the color photo process they had developed. She also ticks them charming photos of their father there antwon Lumiere including one in which he's painting other portrait. I don't know why I really love these pictures. Just very sweet. He's just like a sweet French elderly man in one. He's out in a vineyard looking around in another he's just painting. He seems very relaxed. It just love those pictures for some reason In Nineteen Eighteen O. Nine fanny was hired for job that ended up shifting her career away from portraiture and into new subject. Matter at that point she was hired by John M MHM career to take architectural photos of the new theater in New York and at this point Johnston was also growing a little tired of portraiture. She felt like it had become too stressful and the field was very competitive and so she didn't really feel like she had the freedom. To get any sort of artistic fulfillment from it any longer. So architecture was kind of a nice change of pace after the new theatre. Fanny also started exploring other photography opportunities. Outside of working with people as her subjects. She turned her eye and Lens to gardens. That's from one thousand nine hundred ten on her work as very garden focused. She gave lectures about them. She researched historic gardens. She took innumerable photos of them. Well into the nineteen thirties. As part of her ongoing interest in gardening and architecture she had a studio in New York from nineteen thirteen to nineteen seventeen and that specialized in garden and home photography. Yeah those lecture she gave. She made these incredible glass plate slides for them that she hand tinted. They're really incredibly credibly. Beautiful one of the articles in our our show notes is a Smithsonian article where they talk about them so if you're interested in that check it out But that photography biography studio that Tracy just mentioned was shared with another photographer and kind of her partner in it Mattie Edwards Hewitt the two women had met at the Pan American Exposition in in Buffalo New York in nineteen ninety. One Fanny of course was already pretty well known by that point. She was essentially a famous photographer and the two women became both colleagues and close friends. At that point. Hewitt's husband was a target for and she was helping him but she wanted to transition to doing more photography work herself and Hewitt was eventually entrusted by Johnston with the development of of her photos. And there's been a lot of speculation over the nature of fanny and Matty's relationship over the years. The two women exchanged letters. Almost from the moment they met and Matty's in particular Mattie also wrote more of them often include language about just how deeply she loves fanny and how she dares not hope that that Fannie loves her back including passages like quote. I am not foolish enough to expect you to love me in this way. Only it was so sweet and met so very very much that I could not tell it over and over there are detractors who believed that Hewitt's words were not unusual in tone for women in the early nineteen hundreds hundreds. This is something we've discussed a whole lot of time on the show that the correspondence of women is often much more sort of romantic in nature. Not necessarily always indicating saying that. There is a romantic relationship. But just an emotional closeness but in this case it really really sound like Mattie was definitely romantically in love with fanny I will say. We have more than her letters. And we'll talk about why in a minute but were were not as clear on fanny's feelings in return so in nineteen eighteen o nine when Matty Edwards Hewitt divorced her husband she moved to New York with Fannie Mae Fannie started focusing her lens on architectural subjects from nineteen thirteen to nineteen seventeen. Both women became well known for their work. In architectural photography this partnership was severed in nineteen seventeen. The two women had a falling following out. Hewitt bought out Johnson's interest in the business for five hundred dollars. Both of them continued to have successful careers independently. After this point. Thanks the connections that they had made while running their joint studio. Yeah fanny kept matty's letters but it doesn't appear that as many of fannies in his letters to Mattie were preserved so that's why it's we don't have an abundance of quotes from her on her feelings on the matter and we're kind of having to fill in some blanks there. Fanny's work had often had a documentary quality at this point because she was working in gardens and architecture but starting in the nineteen twenties that became an even more prominent part part of her work when she started a project that would go on for more than seventeen years. Johnston started systematically photographing and documenting early American buildings in gardens. And this all started. When Fanny was contracted to photograph the Chatham Estate in Virginia as well as Fredericksburg and old foulness and that effort took two a years and when it was done fairly decided that she wanted to continue to use her camera to document historic buildings and help preserve the architectural history of the? US She she started exhibiting her architecture photos and in nineteen thirty started. The Pictorial Archives of early American architecture at the Library of Congress in Nineteen Nineteen thirty three. The Carnegie Corporation started issuing a series of grants six of them over the course of a few years to keep that project going and expand its scope from nineteen twenty seven to nineteen forty four. She took thousands of photos of more than seventeen hundred sites across nine states. They were Virginia Maryland. North and South Carolina Anna Florida Alabama Georgia Louisiana and Mississippi and she didn't Only Capture Grand Mansions in impeccable historic gardens. Although those were in there for sure she also made a concerted effort to get images of buildings and spaces that did not get the benefit of constant maintenance care as she sort of saw their fragility in the face of neglect and the sizable collection that she amassed eventually came to be known as the Carnegie Survey of the architecture of the south and that remains in the collection of the Library of Congress Congress during this time Fanny's work was also published in several books as photographic illustrations to the text in one thousand nine hundred thirty she contributed to colonial. Churches is in Virginia with text by Henry Brock in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight plantations of the Carolina low country written by Samuel g stony came out with Danny's photos in it in nineteen forty one. Her work got top billing for early architecture of North Carolina at Pictorial Survey by Francis Benjamin Johnston this included in an architectural history written by Thomas Waterman. Yeah that book. She is listed as the author of that book Once photographic survey of the south she had been working on was completed. The family moved away from Washington DC to the south. She made a new home for herself. And her two cats named Herman Vermin which I find quite charming in New Orleans wants Louisiana starting in one thousand nine forty five by nineteen forty six. She had found her permanent home in the city at one one three to Bourbon Street. That is just a block away from the Larry Rematch. In in the French quarter there are people who would argue about whether Washington DC is also the south but New Orleans is definitely much farther south. They call it the deeper south for sure. The seed for this move was planted when Johnson was doing her fieldwork for the survey in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven while taking photographs in Louisiana. We've gone. She told her reporter that New Orleans surpassed other cities quote in rare beauty of ironwork of outdoor and indoor arts and crafts in a romance of aspect and spirit of character and charm. That are unique in America. She fell in love with New Orleans and I can't blame her because I sure do adore. That's it it is really pretty and during the same period that she had moved and she was kind of into retirement. Johnston was inducted into the American Institute. Institute of Architects is an honorary member for the work that she had done for so many years in preserving the record of architectural history with photographs. Enter advancing age fanny who had had a career that spanned six decades spoke of her work and almost a cavalier manner. As though it was just all effortless guess working good luck on her part which is very a funny to me but she'd been known to be utterly meticulous and setting up shots and creative staging techniques to capture images in her own unique way she. She also kept meticulous notes while she was in the field as a journalist including her personal thoughts and feelings right alongside the more technical notes that were related to her photos on May sixteenth. Eighteenth Nineteen fifty-two Fanny Benjamin. Johnston died her. Body was transported to Washington. DC for burial in Rock Creek Park cemetery in nineteen fifty three are- her remaining papers and documents were sold to the Library of Congress over the course of her career. She had photograph five. US presidents as well as Booker T. Washington Andrew Carnegie Mark Twain and dozens of other prominent people. She was also the wedding photographer for former podcast subject Alice. Roosevelt in nineteen O six. Yeah and I will say those are very beautiful portraits She really was extraordinarily good at her job. She also photographed Susan B. Anthony late in her life which It's it's a very interesting profile photograph and again it strikes me as slightly interesting that she was not particularly interested in the the suffrage movement in terms terms of being an active participant. Bench took a very beautiful picture. One of the people deeply associated with it That is Fannie Johnston who I find fascinating in the variety of ways Her photographs. I could look at four ever because they really are quite interesting. I have two pieces of listener mail and they are unrelated except they both came from Hawaii. Okay which leg New Orleans is another place that I'm deeply in love with the first one. I can't can't make out the name it starts with J. It could be June or Julie little bit of smearing and rights low holly and Tracy. I just thought you might enjoy this. Disney Hawaii Postcard made from Koa would love the show and glad it's appropriate for my two young history buffs Would love more Hawaiian content with Aloha. 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#77: Please, Please, Please Do A Good Job, Colorado

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#77: Please, Please, Please Do A Good Job, Colorado

"Welcome to important important not important. My name is in. My name is brian calvert kennedy. This is the podcast where we dive into a specific topic or question affecting affecting everyone on the planet right now or in the next ten years or so if it can kill us for tunis into helping thousands but good helmet thousands wherein our guests are scientists doctors engineers politicians astronauts even irreverent and we work together actions together together. That's where the emphasis is together together. I was emphasized. I was improvising. It toward action steps that our listeners can take what their voice and their dollar. This is your friend of your mind. You can send questions thoughts feedback feedback cash in envelopes to us on twitter at important not imp or you can email us at fun talk at important not important dot com got a couple of people who emailed past couple of days about investing in their company and i had to explain to them we do not do that. Wow very that no no no no no. I know you don't want to hear more about that. Did you. Just ask listeners to send us money and i'm loops by the way you know what else they can. What else can they join thousands of other smart people and subscribe to our free weekly newsletter at important not important dot com this week's episode brian is hey colorado. Let's do the right thing shall we. I mean that sounds great to me and our guest is democratic candidate for u._s. Senate mike johnston johnston. This is the first in our series of <hes> twenty twenty conversations and just a reminder that these will always be considered and conducted under the auspices this is of how will this can affect the topics that we cover <hes> the issues that are affecting like we said everyone right now on a planet or the next ten years or so we might not have your <hes> favorite people on <hes>. We won't get everybody. <hes> believe is like list. We're working on <hes> people that fit that at that prison so excited it one note <hes> despite the best efforts over incredible editors and producers there are going to be some audio issues in this one <hes> you can check our instagram of mike was on a trip with his daughter and crouching in a public library in queens to try to get this done so we appreciate it astara. We appreciate it but you know public wi library wi fi is <hes> you know not all. It's cracked up to be so anyways. Thanks to mike and please please enjoy this conversation with johnson great conversation our guest today is mike johnston and together. We're we can ask whether colorado can handle the pressure. That is <hes> atmospheric pressure. Aka will the jet stream. Stop working and political pressure <hes> okay. Can we get two democratic senators in there <hes> flip the senate and hopefully vote in some semblance of a war war to level climate clean energy and environmental will justice mobilization to make sure that jetstream keeps working no pressure. Mike welcome thank you. It's good to know that the fate of the planet as well as the fate of the u._s. u._s. Senate rests in our hands. No female today no big deal aug. Fine it is it is a pleasure to have you <hes> if <hes> you don't mind. Let's just introduce you yourself to everybody. Let everybody know who you are and what you're up to. You bet. I'm so grateful to be on on your show. Thanks for having me. I'm mike johnston. I'm from colorado. I'm a former schoolteacher in school principal than i spent seven years in the state senate and now i am the democratic candidate that for the u._s. senate race here in colorado and <hes> as to will be one of the most closely-watched and we think most consequential the u._s. senate races in the country on. I mean you could say ever maybe ever put again. We're the goal is to not make you feel any pressure here. That's right yeah we're. We're doing a swell job so yes all right brian. Let's do it <hes> yeah of course <hes> so we'll get into a here. We just want to remind everybody. Let you know of course <hes> the goal of podcast here is to is to provide some context for why we're talking to you today and we're going to get into some action oriented questions <hes> that get to the core of why we should care about you and what you're up to <hes> and what we can all do to help and support you sound goodbye sounds wonderful awesome awesome so mike we'd like to start with one important question and i will say as i said to the other gentleman recently at this point. We don't have a lot of white guys on the show. The casino had quite enough of those <hes>. It didn't work out so great so basically this better be good again. No pressure anyway mike instead of saying. Tell us your entire life story. We do like to ask why are you vital to the survival of the species wow i am. I'm honored to make the cut to get to beyond your genuine state <hes> that we ought to be able to do more to get more diverse voices and the leadership is is a great one <hes>. I don't know that i am vital to the survival of the species. I do think i happened to be in a moment an place in history where there is tremendous opportunity and what i think we've found is <hes> you know when you look at any colorado really excited for this chance of real real impact which is yeah if you look at that u._s. Senate right now which will control the future of everything from climate policy to the future of the u._s. Supreme court the two immigration to the healthcare you name it and that the control of that body what is supposed to be the greatest deliberative body in the history of planet also a it's proven to be totally dysfunctional but it was only three seats away from being able to function the enemy able to actually govern again and ended. It's like that scene and you know in every thriller movie movie where the spaceship is about to crash and you have the last three seconds to get a hold on the handle. <hes> and i think that we have these next year and a half. They tried to actually get a hold back on the a u._s. Senate to be able to make sure we can steer the ship away from catastrophe so i think <hes> we are in a moment in history where i think winning this cottam center as can fundamentally change the trajectory of the next fifty years american history and world history while we get it right so that challenge does feel huge but we have a movement of people in colorado really start up stuff to so i love all that i want to go back spaceship metaphor <hes> because it's amazing of the people in that movie that weren't eaten by the aliens remaining on the spaceship. Which one are you would you say and then also you could answer which one is brian are you. Are you the pilot are you. The one like holding onto the spaceship from the outside are you suffering and some are carrying an alien in your chest i am. I'm just go work clear lynch brian. Sorry sorry since my childhood i wanted. I always wanted to wanna be sigourney weaver in that moment so my heard is i am the the only adult captain <hes> trying to fight her way through the aliens back to the front of the spaceship numb. I think brian is the appearing mortally wounded colleague. So you think that comes back right at the moment you need it. Most obviously killed the last oil is critical to the end of the mission and yet you wonder like how is he still alive. Just you're right. The math doesn't add up in pajamas two hours into into a deep space sci-fi movie. It's like clues man. You like bruce willis. Put on some shoes okay. I'm like bruce willis. This is getting better and better. She might even have legs insurance up along by you know that this the last thing he's gonna. He's gonna save everybody but after that it's like this is truly the last-gasp all right so let's do a quick little context. Sometimes this is super technical. Hey here's how the ocean works or antibiotics or something like that that sometimes it's more ethical and our listeners are like the nerdy section of the pod save america's. We don't really need to get into the technicalities of of how the senate works and what's at stake but to be clear. Look i mean this is like i said i said in the intro. This is the first series of twenty twenty conversations. We're talking to presidential potential candidates senate how state local judges and we're going to do our best amplify. The folks that we think could make a big difference so colorado has two senators senators like every other state which to be clear is insane at that point but this is a totally different discussion. Mike would like one of those spots spots and it's it's important that you or one of your democratic contenders gets that spot because why because we don't have control of the senate <hes> mitch mcconnell does turns out not great. It's not going well so we need to flip a few seats. In the senate. <hes> colorado is one of our best shot and then mitch's out of a job a whole thing changes but that's not enough because of something called the filibuster and because z's presidential senatorial candidates can talk all they want a about all the great they're gonna do but it really doesn't matter unless we have a really serious discussion about <unk> out the filibuster exactly less than zero chance to sixty seats maybe ever again good times but regardless colorado colorado these other few states matter because of why because of climate and as you mentioned judges and civil rights and gun control and healthcare air and immigration and climate and cancer funding in climate in clean energy jobs clean air clean water all these things that for instance the democratic house has been doing doing since two thousand eighteen is just kinda throwing shit against the wall until we flip the senate and and hopefully the presidency along with it so we need colorado and mike thinks he's the human to do it so the question is is colorado the maker break and i wanna get into this so mike we talked about this off find when we were first introduced but we do have an agenda here which is sort of a prison for all of our conversations and and the work we produce basically we only cover it or when we covered it's exclusively through the lens of will this thing or this question wipe out the species or on the other hand upgrade us a to something from star trek so climate is the obvious one because no one will be unaffected colorado certainly not <hes> immune from this <hes> but we talk about jobs by talking about cleaner jobs or we talk about civil rights through environmental justice or medicine by digging into the diseases and treatments and cures that affect the most people same thing with drinking water and artificial intelligence so why don't we get the staples out of the way why don't you go ahead and spend a couple of minutes just kind of telling us your platform form when it comes to issues like those in in whatever order floats about i'd love to and i think if i'd be sad because i know your listeners are are are the advanced players in this game and so i think as you people sale as a lot of important racist people say ell vein important neuro arizona's important in north carolina and so on the <unk> listener. Why do i say either. I should be colorado nate nate. Silver's analysis of the senate gets the best. He said you know the democrats. Winning colorado doesn't doesn't guarantee. They went back to the u._s. Senate but losing colorado guarantees they won't so the reason is colorado has to be the first place to flip because because it is the most winnable seat if we if we don't win colorado and the wave is so low that there's you know there's no chance to carry other states and so we we are state where hillary won by six points <hes> that trump is now behind by twenty points in colorado. There's not many republican there are no republican senators left and blue states that are that far away from trump's other than gardner and so this is why we ought to be able to we need to be able to pick up the early and when you look at it the st caller that is shifting more and more blue in the last election in two thousand eighteen colorado for the first time in one hundred years one every single statewide office so secretary state state treasurer attorney general lieutenant governor governor house-senate you get it so there is so big shift coddle turning blue at the same time. The gardner has voted ninety nine percent of the time onto trump and i'll colorado's not a state where that fits anymore so this is why it's not just that one of the important races we have to i and if you don't win colorado then in your fundamentally trying to draw down inside straight with the other races. Which has you know not many outs in that situation so so that's why it's not just top a coupon. That's why factually you know. I always say to lexical ranking of your dollars. I go to the presidency probably second oughta go to colorado because if you don't win there and none of the rest of the races matter that's why it's important and i want to combat also the clinton to what you said. <hes> about filibuster which i think is critically important. Which is you just made the case for why. I believe you have to filibuster. She's the filibuster was made for a moment in history. Where all you expected. Government to do was to just sort of stay steady up on of course and not crash right it was built for the ocean liner owner. Just sail the ocean and not in anything well that oceanliner was the exxon valdez and just hit the ground and billing billions of gallons of oil into the ocean when you need the cleanup of that you don't grocer about by you send people that can move tactfully and quickly and surgically to get things done in an immediate urgent way. The crisis of climate is far too critical for us to say where we await sixty votes you simply can't solve the scale and complexity of the problems to be solved in today's world. Waiting for <unk> doesn't mean you to be bipartisan means. I'll be impressively bipartisan but yet to be restaurant by partisan and getting to fifty or fifty to fifty three but there's no i don't use a path to meet the challenges the moment at sixty <hes> so i just wanted to underscore. I think you had two of the most important issues facing country over the next decade. <hes> and you know i love talk about all of those issues i am in. I am in the walk corner. Like you like to do a whole. Show anyone stop. You wanted to say for me. The big ones that i'll start with our absolutely has to be climate i as you know without <hes> topic none of the rest of the topics matter. It's deckchairs on the titanic. You're talking about john safety without solving climate i and so and that is about you know i've had success with this. How do you build coalitions. Instill a very much western state. We will under thousand gas jobs in colorado. How do you build the coalition in states like colorado to be aggressive about climate. We've done that in colorado. I was first to come out and call move out of one hundred percent clean energy by twenty forty. Were now on the path do that in colorado <hes>. I think there's a way to do that up the u._s. Senate with the coalition of not just <hes> environmentalists and mobilize parents and kids is but also business leaders who see it as not just a moral thing to do with economically wise thing to do so i think there is a path not not has to be first and then i think also <unk> critical on on on the other russia be. How do we prepare for the future of work. How do we think about how we prepare people for the jobs that are coming in a world where thirty percent of the jobs that they may be gone in ten or fifteen years <hes> <hes> people are going to need to change careers ten twelve times of course their lifetime. We prepare people for that. I have a big idea to talk about and then how do we think about solving the fundamental problems of immigration <hes> <hes> and of gun safety and i think of fun only protecting american democracy there is a set of fundamental democracy reforms have to put in place if we're going to preserve people's beliefs like moxie still works in this moment all sounds pretty good <hes> like your doctors in the tend to take a idea and i think now we're we're about out seventy seven episodes in so i think people get the idea of what we're doing. It's not that if we don't talk about it. We don't feel like it's important. It's more that there are certain things that are just way way way bigger and way way way more impactful and it's really important. We knock those things off not necessarily before before those things like clearly gun. Rights is a horrendous issue. Climate change is not something we can go back on the clock. Doc is ticking and we're we're way past that way past. It sess san scale of losses. There will dwarf the scale of losses. We're seeing <hes> from from on violence doesn't mean you shouldn't do both but it just means. You ought to triage the most critical threat. I and this is the most critical threat we've ever seen <hes> uh let's start in rep. Let's get to we'll start talking about getting getting some shit done and then we'll then. We'll take a step back. Your potential opponents <hes> cory gardner <hes> who's who's been in the senate since fourteen and was in <hes> in a house before that <hes> actually has been on a number of energy and science and resource resources related committee's <hes> what his track record on those and should you win. Are you angling for any of those so yes. I think the challenge is you know there is when you look look at what gardner has done or not done on climate. The evidence is damning right which is not only has he supported a president who denies the climate change exists voting with him ninety nine percent of the time mentally issue supported everyone from scott pruitt league to recruit a service energy. You know voted to roll back protections on water and air. He's been a wall on all the the issues that mattered just not in any way been willing to step up and lead on this in a way that it's going to impact and so i think colorado's deep we agree. Hey this is one. You want to take courageous action because the thing is in colorado. Climate is not just a quality of life. It's a way of life if you live on the western slope and you work in the industry mystery because you have got a mountain bike company for you on the eastern plains and your former that relies on water act those are not nice to have those are have to have <hes> and so i think they're the coalition around climate <unk> out. It is really transpartisan. <hes> that i think makes it possible for us to get big things down and his why people are so frustrated. I think feel duped duped by what guard promised to do. It hasn't done. I mean it's just too lazy to say that it's it's frustrating at this point you know but it it it. It just becomes such an imperative. Yeah i mean we saw in virginia where literally one vote can decide things but you know if we're if for keeping the system where every state gets two senate seats like every one of those was is just incredibly valuable since it's not overwhelming majorities in either in either way <hes> in the senate. I mean each one of these when there's someone like that that's not just is not getting the job done is actively working against it on again the most consequential issues of our time than than they gotta go so where where do you see you yourself. Should you be elected. <hes> you know what committees are angling for hoping for. Where do you feel like you can and bring your experienced bear to make the biggest difference. Yeah i mean i think for me i think primarily about the policies that i care about most and now i want to make an impact on those and for me. The first one is climate. I wanna be a place in a place where i can make that impact of course i love the on the relevant committees that have new could potentially have an impact on that but i don't feel limited committee assignment driving that it is going to be an animating force of my time. There is how you build a coalition move they country breasts silly towards underneath take <hes> and so i think that will be first and foremost if you look at if you look at health education labor pension agriculture finance <hes> everyone those the the all consuming questions and that was still going to be what are we doing to prepare for and prevent the onset of climate change and so i think it's it's all encompassing by in the spot where i can have out biggest leverage on that issue i in addition to some other things. I'm really passionate about immigration and like education gun safety well. It's it's certainly we always i mean <hes> invaluable to have you know tickets takeaway lawyer and bringing an educator because obviously our education system is is such a vital piece of this puzzle so having having someone with that experience. He's actually worked in run schools. <hes> you know it's like br bringing lauren underwear underwood in as a as a nurse. <hes> last year is like that of course we need a fucking nurse like this is the these the people who've been working in the system and can tell you exactly where and when it's broken then what's going to matter in what's going to make a difference to check it but as far as i've found i think i'd be the only teacher in school principal in the u._s. Senate where they're so that'd be that'll be a unique use out of skills so all right so i'm curious still talking about getting shut down here a passing anything like the green new deal whatever it ends up looking like one massive undertaking probably a variety of connected measures over time is currently going require sixty votes again. I can't say enough like like that. That's not going to happen. It's not going to happen best best case realistic scenario. We have fifty democrats in voting vice president so that's not sixty. That's fifty one and not all of those people are even remotely close to super progressive even if they've got the democrat label. That's just not how it works again. You agreed. It's time to do away with the filibuster because i mean look keep keeping it. You know we joke as like might mean like a small segment of the human population is like randomly draw straws to survive in caves until the next you know ten thousand years didn't happen. Do you feel like again. I know they've talked about it some in these debates which are just the presidential beach which are insane. How do you feel about your potential colleagues. We're putting your toe in the water on the filibuster thing. Do you think democrats will actually grow a spine and do the right thing on this. I've talked to some of them already about this and there are certainly some <hes> opposed to disagree with me <hes> but their argument has been the fear is a what would republicans do to us without the filibuster and if they only need fifty one votes what sort of terrible things may be able to ram down our throats <hes>. I think we're already living in that world. <hes> in this world inaction is the worst thing you can do and so just this mitch mcconnell's ability to allow us to do nothing is the worst situation we can face and right now on an issue like climate and so what i would rather do that are actually put power back in the voters tends to pay attention which is i would actually take if you know if you had a republican majority for two years and they passed a bunch of things that people truly disliked and they showed their true colors. They're gonna actually they're gonna actually she. Double down and expand coal plants shut down wind and solar if they actually did that. I think that people would pay attention and both out <hes> and so you know my coach ocean ice. What used to say you know. Athletics don't build character. They reveal character no and i think the same is true of leadership political power. Doesn't you know doesn't bill values. It reveals your values and i'd much take a world where we can show our values lead them right now all you what were they serve better as a world where nothing gets done and everyone can point the finger at the other person and say it's their fault. I'd rather have real action and real accountability then perpetual inaction but that's a crazy idea mike. I don't know what you're talk. Ah in the way the way i described this as i think about the cavenaugh vote that the entire country tuned in enraptured word to that vote because lo and behold the u._s. Senate was actually voting on something of consequence as you all know. The real full in the senate is not the votes that happened on the u._s. Senate floor for it's the votes in ever get to the u._s. Senate floor if the votes that never got to a committee hearing right. I mean there are senators served five ten fifteen years. Maybe have had one or two bills of consequence every get a hearing because committee chairwoman or the senate president more mitch mcconnell majority leader gets to just decide what boat ever gets heard and what boat ever gets gets. It's called and in that world. There's nothing for people to actually weigh in on and pressure on because they know the best way to keep smirk. Silent is to not have a real a real case in controversy people to push her to push sean. I think that's that is what has has turned off most americans following because there's nothing it's like a football game with football. It's really incredible. I mean we've really i mean and people talk about understandably incorrectly like what a horrific nightmare trump is. <hes> in i mean literally pick from a multiple choice question like whatever your topic topic of concern is but i mean the the power that mitch mcconnell has and has yielded and the strategy behind it it is is it's incredible. I mean should we have history books. In ten twenty thirty years there will be the the biographies <hes> we'll just we'll. We'll be stunning. I mean what they've done. In this. You know arguably one of our most important stretches of elections ever in like two thousand eighteen went great and we need these two thousand nine hundred and state elections and obviously the twenty twenty ones to go away or just gonna be real bad and it's incredible the power he's had to uh that it is and my fear. Is you know he'll go down in history with the reuther as <unk> say you you took a moment history and you corruptly seized for power purposes. Branch of american government didn't have the right to seize right routes behaves. Famously loses the population. Tell me if this sounds familiar in an eighteen sixty eight <hes> and i maybe it's seventy six nine seventy six after the brands term and he loses she contest the results in florida but he thinks he wants a recount in florida and instead he strikes eastern deal in the middle of the night with a kind of faux electoral college and he gets the democrats democrats in the south to switch their electoral votes to him in return for his willingness to withdraw troops from the south and overnight you undo all of the progress of reconstruction construction i two years later you have tennessee has this idea of really really mean by the thirteenth sportsmen with what if we just passed a law college in pro law man glenn what is born as a whole you know take one hundred years to get back to where lincoln and grant added. Almost you know in in eighteen sixties we statewide elected officials are african american in the south that that was that was that was happening already in the nineteenth century and then hayes gave up generation and so yeah mcconnell's equal grab the try to take back control. The supreme court unprecedented measures. We may have lived through what will tip the tide of moment in history that will be known for its <hes> machiavelli and then i think solis approach to politics. That's a pretty good analogy. <hes> it's true it could set us back. <hes> i hate hate. I hate to use the word forever but it's it's. It's pretty shocking. There's also some great reading out there on reconstruction. If anyone is interested in it <hes> audiobook to recommend. I'll put him in the show. We don't need to get into it here. Sure i'll add it to my list. <hes> yeah perfect i i would add to your list to the poor these he's truce. If you have a loved one on this era yeah fantastic justice. I mean you always think oh this this thing has been done so many times uh-huh but the way that book read is just i mean it's it's amazing. It's like late night fiction. It's incredible. It's such exactly what it is. I i do think i mean but this was back to your point earlier. When i do think it's not yet irreparable but i think the stakes of the two thousand twenty election could make it so like i think if we re elect donald trump if you send mitch mcconnell back to the senate leadership then you have two more supreme court seats that come up in the next four years you have four to six more years of missed action on climate that could be a chapter history can't rewrite. I do think it's i think it's only in pencil right now but it goes into burma marker. We don't get it right in twenty twenty so so insane to know that that's that we are at that point much. We've come to it. It is now <hes> mike you've been <hes> really campaigning around colorado for a couple well years now <hes> and <hes> you know you've been in the education system like you mentioned <hes> are there. Are you getting a good sense that the <hes> what what are the fine fine people of colorado <hes> where are they on climate change and clean energy they are there is <hes> i really think dramatic interest connection and as i said you find it in all parts of the state you know you find people on the eastern plains who are conservative by other measures who are seeing changes in drought are seen changes in access has to water or shooting change crop or y'all in person you can see my belt buckle that has the event the example love it but if you drive through western colorado one of the best visible examples of climate change is right in front of your eyes which is there is a pine beetle that nests and pine trees in colorado and every winter under it lays eggs and every winter gets close enough to freeze all those eggs and kill them in the last ten years the temperatures have risen just enough that they do not get frozen out and they have decimated all of the pine trees slope tire stretches of western colorado that are just standing dead timber which has imagined or massive forest fire risks literally really you can't drive through western colorado river after you oughta vail or aspen tells you i've ever you're going and not look out and say wait. Why half the mountainside dead well. That's climate change ends. That's climate crisis and so i think people it is now so apparent to us on things that are in front of our eyes that there there is very very different in very powerful in that i think are ready eighty for aggressive action. Which is why we've seen caught a move in that direction more than the rest of the country is it's both clear. The stakes are high for us. It's everything yeah wow that is wildlife. It's crazy how how how it takes sometimes <hes> people to actually see what there is before they can sort of go oh but that's right fortunately <unk> literally. I am i as a superintendent who is brilliant. Who did this we were trying to pass a mill levy for our schools to fund it and we try to three years row and sailed and we were taking cuts every year. Teachers were taking cut. They were freezing pay doing longer hours unpaid paid and finally the third or fourth time. She tried to set okay. Here's the review <unk> cuts in no no. We can't do it anymore so we're gonna ability voters decide just to the voters. I can't afford to keep school up one hundred eighty days a year anymore so we're going to i'm going to furlough. The entire district for seven days at the end of october. Just happens to be ten days before for the election but you all just find someplace else to send your kids because we keep the school doors open and the military past which is once people realized a while like this place. Actually you can't afford to keep the doors open. You better do something about it right. They're perspective changed. I think right now unless you have that allow the in front of me moment. It's easy to stay on the job. You got mixture trying to raise. The parents are taken care of by when it's right in front of your eyes. It's harder to turn back to the analogy is healthcare where you the affordable care act is still still stuck in the courts but here's why and by the way it is not perfect by any stretch and i believe it was always intended to be adjusted and as such along the way turns out it hasn't been because we know why we've been talking about it for twenty minutes but if you have for the first time in your life been able to go due to a primary care physician for the past eight years and then someone tells you oh mitch mcconnell made it so you can't anymore that now you've had this tangible practical association association this benefit that someone is taking away from me and that is different than when we were voting on it the first time it's the same thing as you so for the first time someone in your life or yourself had a pre existing condition in holy shit. You have health insurance. I like something that is completely foreign to the u._s. Medical system but now eight years later we're gonna now that you're sixty eight or seventy two. We're going to tell you can't do it like you. Gotta be fucking kidding. They're not so it's i want so frustrating. It's being struck down by courts and by these judges that trump supporting because it happened again that's right and this is where we didn't colorado colorado around of really noticed this. I mean carter voted over and over and over to cut the preexisting conditions protections for eight hundred thousand colorado's little i mean that is almost a million coloradans who have pre existing conditions who with his vote would now be. You're going back to the world fifteen years ago. We're yes you have a serious cancer that means you'll never get insurance again and so i think people that's can they just don't under how could you possibly be representing me and my interest. If that's your decision asian. I think those are the things that are unforgivable. Hey brian. 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To who get started and that's where i feel like i've you know when i look at virginia and we've got this election coming up in ninety five days <hes> we're. We're the whole house. <hes> in the senate are up for vote. Which is you know we got one vote and we somehow actually managed to to enact medicaid. <hes> and four hundred thousand people got insurance overnight and so we've got this election wound up again in ninety five days and it's like that's. This is what we're voting on is w it's those forty thousand people who got to go to the doctor now and now it's about whether they can anymore so you can take that away after two years. You gotta be fucking kidding me so anyways. Hey mike talk to me about because again. We spend most of our time in los angeles where we don't technically have our own on drinking water. <hes> tuck me about <hes> like water rights and colorado rivers such a huge issue for the southwest in in the future <hes> <hes>. Is it something that comes up a lot out there so as sets that's appropriate. I just moved over to the game of thrones sections so you get you just mentioned water so water is incredibly important issue in colorado. We we tell the joke in colorado. That whiskey is for drinking water is for fighting and i wish is like water is is one of the causes fights colorado but there are also really common sense things we can do on this. Tell you one big idea that i've been working on <hes> which is right now we have. We have a place in colorado where almost eighty five percent of water using colorado is used in agriculture as jimmy. That's what grow resolve our foods ports. All of our lives occupan understand that eighty five percent of the people live on the front range and so we're working a lot on conservation the front range water your lawn last etc. The challenges challenges the way our water rights are structured for those farmers as it literally is a use it or lose it systems. Let me give you an example if you have one hundred acre feet of water which is your right. If if you say you use an old slutty or gatien system right and you just put on the spit you put it into the ditches and you try to flood your crops flooded or get your cops that way and you realize that's incredibly wasteful and you think oh i could move to a drip irrigation system and instead of needing one hundred acre feet of water. I'd only need fifty. If you did that and only use fifty acre feet lead you would lose the right the acre feet of water. You did not use so quite literally. It is to your massive detriment to conserve water and its usage as you lose the right right to it and so <hes> all we wanna do is say it should be the opposite market. Those will honor rights. We're a farmer now healy's shift acre feet. He can lease important least not cell. He can leave those water rights to somebody else which means you both does better environment and he make money himself itself. You don't want to have them. Sell the water be sell the water right. It's out of the basin. You know she saw <hes> corp- corporation on the other side of the divide <hes> now you can begin to drain basins of their long term water supply which you should be able to lease it to other people in the region sitting there. Those are things where there are simple steps you can take it would dramatically change the incentive the system and dramatically changed through water use. We're going to have to do that. <hes> as our growth continues in water become waters one daughter nubile resource yeah i mean no water and things get real bad again as los angeles. It's <hes> you know. The southwest states just struck a deal recently in the past few months six months. It's a for the next few years but it's still just it's not great. It's a huge creates a huge crisis here and i'd say it will be the most significant engaging factor too gross and people say oh well how much carrying passengers colorado how we're one of the fastest growing states. We love that what went you had carrying capacity unit carrying capacity. We have some. I'm developments that have been built and abandoned almost like third world style because there's water supply to sustain the developments. Jeez yeah feels like that. Sorta stuff is really going to come back to bite us here. At some point i think so <hes> michael move onto a i'm curious. How are you you feeling about your <hes> about your fund raising in your polling right now <hes> you know we feel great about where we are. I mean we have <hes> come out hard and early. We were working really hard. We've been all state. We have raised three and a half million dollars so far which is a broken records in colorado on that. We're one of thanks for most proud of is we've raised from every one of the sixty four counties in colorado which if y'all benda some of the eastern plains the call you can only about two democrats in some of those counties we got both of them <hes> so <hes> and so i think we both have a broad and deep reservoir support we have we have three times more raise anybody else off the field. We have more cash on hand tire field combined and so we're the only one is really kept pace with gardner at every step. We know he's going to have massive support. I'll tell you like in the first quarter. We raise one point eight. Million gardner is two million. I am not taking any pack on any sorts denver have and won't <hes> <hes> so we raise one point eight all from people people he raised two million of that two million of million of that was from packs <hes> and so when you look at what the force of incumbency is in the special interests that are gonna rally around him. They're going to be dramatic but we think we're in a really great position where there's overwhelming support from around the state for people who really want to see a change in our in our speaking with her contributions right now we had an event where <hes> you know we had a guy who was serving pizza at a fundraiser <hes> with the gals dollars we had an event where babysitter came came up and at the end of a game up and maxed out to our to our event because people are just so passionate about this people don't think they've done before so awesome bahir. You've got in a lot of democratic competitors. How are we feeling about that now. Do <hes> somewhere around there. <hes> you know we have a there's a group of people are wondering about twenty twenty is everybody you know wants to make a difference and lot of people decided to run for office. I think that's fantastic <hes> so it'll be a great debate spirited one <hes> i think that we have some real unique attributes it put us in the best position to both win the primary and when the general <hes> yes we'll have the resources fundraising. We'll have you know the bowl coalition statewide. I grew up on the western slope and so no one else on in the race. This is from the western soviet like a win back. Those regions of democrats have not one historically a fluent spanish speaker a twenty two percent of our status as lat next of some of some sort and so i ran first spanish language ads last year. We'll do it again <hes> years to come and so i think the ability to talk and listen to communicate in spanish to win the rural art the state and to be able to have the resources to tell the truth about what gardner's down all the mechanic before it. I think that puts us in the very best position of anyone in this race to both win disclaimer and when this general so i like very much where we stand would have a great deal of respect for my friends. I'll get to run along. Stop it. It's a hell of a crop of folks so again. Happy that everybody buddy is is fighting for the chance to get out there and do it. Mike we connected. I about both having young families again. You're sitting there holding a sparkly backpack in a library from which is today taking my kids breakfast and and i told a friend i said i feel like my job at this point is like chauffeur and hopefully get my work done in the minutes in between i think for some reason i'm still surprised at the end of every day like when i haven't got my shit like i should stop being surprised at this point right that's exactly right so wh- we bonded over them and and being exhausted most of the time those are the choices made so let's let's do do something here. Let's go back to the future in ten twenty nine thirty years when your children <hes> unplugged the chips chips in their brains and ask daddy. What did you do in twenty twenty in such a momentous time a crossroads for humanity to put it lightly. What are are you going to be most proud of. Where did you really take a stand so i'm so glad you asked his dad. That was really the discussion. We had family wave six months ago nine months ago decided to this race was according to my wife and i were were we were. We didn't know clear path. We thought it was important the cost and family it'd be significant to race like this and unlike other state raises the costs and families significant if we win. I'm in dc three or four. That's hard on my family to <hes> you know so i talked to my kids about it and one of my son says you know. Do you think you can make a difference and i steady said yes he said why don't you do it and was congressional which was like in this moment in history when my kids are going to look back and say what what did you do in the moment win. Democracy was most at risk in our lifetime like this is gonna be like asking someone. Where were you during the march at selma. Now you're gonna say oh you know what i had a dentist appointment that day could make it or you're going to say no actually in the moment where i felt like the fundamental promise i have to pass on you which is a country aware democracy works. You can solve big problems and raval actually bring people together to to hand on next race to be better than what we had <hes>. I gave everything we have to try to do that at and actually you get everything you have. You were eleven and your seven but you're knocked. Doors new drove sixty four counties in colorado when you talk to people when you make income calls and you get up a lot of time for your mom or dad out to do that and that was a massive sacrifice. Can i stand on that. They will be incredibly proud of. That's pretty awesome so i mean you. Were you worked in the schools and you're in the colorado senate. You ran for governor. I mean you seem pretty. Hell bent on affecting change. I guess live from your kids. Yeah thank you aside from your kids or maybe it is just your kids. Is there a specific relationship you can point to that was sort of a catalyst to get get you to where you are today. <hes> there was this was how i got into politics i had there was a student in my high school and we had this last iran three high schools but i the principle of the the third high school when i was there we successfully turned this school around from one that had about a fifty percent drop out rate into what became the first public high school in cobb history where a hundred percent of our seniors graduated one hundred percent of those kids were all admitted to four year colleges. Wow was success for us for about three days and three days later. I'm standing on cafeteria now. Supervising lunch duty and ulysses walks up to me was one of my seniors seniors. Who's the kind of kid you know agreed calculus books and composes music and crime the same eddie comes up to me with tears tears running down his face and he says mr johnston. Why did you make me do all this. I said what do you mean your urine to college living the dream and he said no i i i just never ever asked me to do no. I came early. Stay late got good roads. I applied to college and you know i'll never be able to go i said why do you say that johnson. I never told you this but but i'm undocumented and today in the state senate the bill just died that would've allowed undocumented gets to go to college the same in state tuition rate so now my best friend jeremy nights in second grade of always want to be precise colorado were both in and go and pay no four thousand dollars a year with financial played by wanna go. I'm gonna pay thirty thousand a year with no financial aid and you know my mom mr dawson like she doesn't make much an entire year and in. I just felt like watching him just fall through a hole miss. Lori was like your own kid. You know i've known him for years and there was nothing nothing left we could do and he was prepared. Teachers done an amazing job. He was gonna rocket. It's you and he can go without a change in the law and that was the day. I decided to run for the state senate. I said if that's the takes to change the law. That's we're gonna do and so. I left my school. I ran for the state senate. I was fortunate to win and <hes> <hes> <hes> maybe two three years later <hes> we finally were able to pass that bill because it failed twelve or thirteen years. I was the first one who was able to get an actual republican to go to the bill <hes> and and because i've found a state senator in the eastern plains who had fought against the bill for decade coming. I'm talking talking about why he'd never vote for the bill. He says listen. I'm talking so you know. I coach my son's little league baseball team the kids choices. I said wait a sec. You coached little league baseball in a tiny farming and ranching town on the eastern plains of colorado run by immigrant labor. You've got kids on your baseball team just like the kids in my school. He says no. No i know all the kids at my team said just make one promise before you vote now. Just talk to the kids on your team then you you do whatever your heart tells you since final do that. She comes back to my desk on monday. Morning walks over to my desk on the senate floor and looks in my eyes and says so my third baseman said my third baseman undocument- take my son's best friend's call the bill up for a vote today and i did and he became the first republican inkatha history but for the bill on the floor the senate <hes> which meant the bill passed meant. I got to stand on the governor signed. It meant best of all. I got to get my truck and drive back up to my old high school and seema former class of ninth graders who were now finally standard. I get to put on a cap and gown walk across the stage. Pick up. A diploma hugged him to go so that was the very reason i got into politics. It's the reason i've stayed like. I deeply believe. It's still possible to dramatically change. People's lives better if you're willing to fight hard enough for the folks needed the most well man good news is mitch. Mcconnell feels exactly the same way same. That was incredible. <hes> thank you for sharing that and it's just that's true all over. Isn't it <hes> i mean yeah. What a shocker. I only a there's a personal you know you have a personal <hes> story something that it happened to you then you then you can relate and understand and see the change needs to happen then it's not you it's not about am i gonna people are gonna be mad at me or my poll numbers and draw like it's when you are fighting something that's bigger than you your incidental like you're you're just in the way and so then my question is what am i going to do. In this moment to serve ulysses serve the one that doesn't have access to healthcare right. That's real fight and then i i'm collateral to that to that battle <hes> but i think what happens people shopping focus on themselves as the story instead of them so i'll just the vessel for somebody also story which is what it takes to be about. Yes it's awesome. Brian could carry that emotion into acts as i as we mentioned at the very beginning you know our our goal here is <hes> to to get to some specific specific action steps that our listeners can take <hes> to to support you in what you're fighting for <hes> and and <hes> how how they can do it with their voice vote and their dollar so let's get into that starting with their voice as always what what are the big actionable questions ocean's specific questions that the rest of us should be asking of our representatives. I think you should ask you know what actions have you taken directly played to push forward the agenda items that i care about and specifically. What have you done to bring people on board. That aren't on board right. Now is to say you issued. A press release on something is not the same as saying. You tried to find a way to fight to get because fostered. You need to actually pass it so i think that this is about you know and when have you been willing to disagree but some of your own new friends <hes> who weren't willing to be courageous enough on this stuff to prove that it was worth to you so i think that <hes> demanding that courage from people and demanding proof of that courage <hes> israel important 'cause i think that's the way you call accountable thoughts in getting folks. No sure isn't it. It does not it doesn't you. We'd have to talk about that but i mean that was one of the major battles i followed. You know i was in the state senate. After after the two zero theater shooting we had allowed. I a lot of folks who said gosh too bad. We can't do anything about it. He said we can just have to have the courage. I do it and so we took on the n._r._a. Pass universal background checks we passed magazine bands of drivers and it was all up in the band are a sent hundreds of people to the capital every day to threaten us in protest never worked again in the state <hes> and we actually passing the most aggressive unsafe reform the country twice in one twice because i was not answering the n._r._a. Member who has told me he wouldn't vote for me again. I was answering to the parents were shown up with buried their kids and said you have to just make sure no other parent ever after goes through what i went through. That's all i asked not that big of an ask. I don't know if you saw big ass. I mean i think everybody saw what happened in virginia beach which <hes> couple of months ago but and then the virginia senate try try to pass something in the republicans would then credible speech that the virginia delegate made <hes> his who's. I'm totally forgetting his name of course but he his girlfriend is was the reporter who was killed on air couple years ago right and his speech. We'll put it in the show. Notes is just incredible. I mean it's true. It's like no no. This shouldn't happen anymore. Like what is wrong with you anyways anyway anyway. I'll send you. I'll send you. I i the closing arguments on our floor debate on this style. Send you my speech now. Which was you know my oh yeah well. There's there. There are some things that you can do that. Matter and simple steps we can take to reduce class size and heaven. We ought to do that that would be the first obligation makes and i think that's one where you can and take action on so i think these are ones where yeah just sending out a tweet is not the question. The question is are you willing to stand in the middle and the fire and take it until wwl changes yeah. Please send that all right so <hes>. What about their vote. Mike what when is the one is the primary they're bad <hes> sar- primaries june thirty ah of next year so yes all of our colorado voters needed to come out and caucus for us both for us if you are from outside of colorado which you want to have an impact also we'll be doing text text messages phone calls who will wanna come spend a week and knock doors now. It's like missionary democracy. I'm spending. We can try to help us help us. Turn this people out there that we don't want to do is have the rest of the world world tune into this race in august or september and have a candidate who's won the primary who can't win the general election and then we've lost khao. We've lost the u._s. Senate so i think this the real hill tracts of this race is going to be between our next june awesome good to know and what about their dollar. What's your what's your. What's your website your u._r._l. Mike think where can we send you. I'm johnston four colorado dot com and because before it's actually has to be spelled out and yes we would love your support love to have you give financially. If you have friends you can send out information to <hes> we're gonna need the resources to compete with with cory gardner and the brothers and mitch mcconnell and do you think mitch mcconnell's the one controlling your wifi right now. Do you think that's what's happening. There are some people on my team who believe that i found his bugged because it is unreliable so i'm not sure mitch's involved yet. We can't thinking obviously you're going to extreme measures to make this. I appreciate it. Oh you're doing out there. Just last couple of quick questions getting specific. Mike who is someone in your life that is positively impacted your work in the past six months so i mean one person's actually had a big impact on my life for the last six months has been <hes> the author jill lepore or which is as you read the book these truths. We talked about earlier. I i just think it tells the story of pivotal moments in american history where for the courageous stand of few do you really either reaffirmed who we are what we believed or you lost sight it out and i think it's clear we are in one of those moments now where it could go either direction you you know when when the version of this has written fifty years from how it will either say that democracy came under fire we set ourselves back generation or a century or it will say there was is a courageous band of believers who said we think america is something more and better than this <hes> and they there is still that chapter left to right for us but we have to make sure we write it the the right way. I'm down for that and yet book is again is really we'll put it in the show as well yeah for sure might even be answered upcoming question. Mike what do you do when you feel overwhelmed. When you need some <hes> some mike time when your wifi isn't working and you're trying to yeah i i still. I like to read still when i started to two things one is i like to read and i like <hes> <hes> flying airplanes 'cause airplanes or lying in state once. I don't fly just ride on them. I'm just saying i like i like riding airplanes because it is the one <hes> completely lately sacred space where you can sit and read and write and thank without much distraction so i have a little room in my office. We call the airplane which is a place where you can just go and read and write uninterrupted and so for me. It takes a little. I like to come out of the chaos and have a little bit of time to talk to think back <hes> and for me it's often to sit with a tax <hes> or something thing that i that i find helps rebound me and both where we are where we're trying to go and then the other one from quinn's point is is time with my kids so it's either you know creating obstacle courses in the basement for kids to climb over which is completely joyous or it's time to catch up and reflect a little bit with a book or some writing are probably the two different kinds lines and solace that i find i will say i will say what should be on my resume. It is i mean obstacles and i'm kind of like a guy i can. I can make anything. It happened to be laying around the house. I don't need special material so it's it's probably my best dad. Skill why that's a good one. That's a good anything that exhausts them and keeps them busy. Z. is just the best. It's like many american ninja yeah totally down for it mike if you could amazon prime one book to donald trump. What do you think that would be. I will not give a petty answer that may i think <hes> i think yeah so my my answer is what i would actually do if i knew he was going to read it <hes> for though i think what i would want is i find people are most moved moved by actual personal stories and it's very easy to retreat to ideology and i think that what changes people's hearts and heads when they actually come face to face with a person send whose story compels and so you know. There's a great <hes> helen thorpe has a fantastic book <hes> about four undocumented undocumented girls in denver who were winding their way through the school system <hes> and i think i would send in the marines of these girls in their perspectives stuck in what it's like to be an undocumented immigrant trying to make it <hes>. I think it would have to change the the hatred. He's bringing his heart for people that don't look like him <hes> and i. I think that would probably the biggest change we could make. I love it. That's awesome recommendation. Thank you and and to to be clear. We accept both thoughtful and petty because that's the state. We're in at this point very thank you <hes> well. Listen mike yeah we're. We're going to get you out of here. Holy cow. I apologize apologize. Thank you for your efforts here. Send you to photos one of me outside the rochdale rochdale village queens library and one in the in the book pointer with <hes> with stephen king. You're the best <hes> the people love michael thanks again. I'm glad we finally did this. Look forward to catching up soon <hes> <hes> no way personal when i'm out there on your back yeah yeah absolutely and <hes> yeah have a great trip man have a lot of fun the one on one time especial. It's going gonna be allowed fun. 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The World Without Christianity

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03:54 min | 1 year ago

The World Without Christianity

"Westwood to relegate Christianity to the dustbin of history. But a recent book warrants you'll be sorry. For the Colson center, I'm John Stonestreet. This is bringing a couple years ago, Jeremiah Johnston and his wife benched watched the HBO series the man in the high castle the series is set in a world where Nazi Germany and Japan won World War Two and now occupy the United States. It's a world where youth and Asia's mandatory and the ashes of victims fall on passers by in other words, it's a world of that Christianity, not to mention Judaism why after watching the series Johnson's wife told him that he needed to write about what they had just watched. He did. And the results are his outstanding book unimaginable. What the world would be like without Christianity, but Johnson's book is not about a fictional world. Like the man in the high castle his book straight outta history about the real world that Christianity replaced a pagan world that showing signs of a comeback in this post Christian h Johnston introduces us to the world in which Christianity was born and eventually transformed. He. He tells the story of Hilarion and otherwise unremarkable Roman citizen who had traveled to Egypt. He writes to his pregnant wife that he may not make it home in time for the birth. So he wishes her good luck. And then tells you what to do when the child is born, quote, if it's a boy keep it if it's a girl throw it out as I said, there was nothing remarkable about Hilarion or this attitude that he had towards his soon to be born child as Johnson tells us in the first century room and world killing an unwanted child. Was no big deal. He quotes the philosopher Seneca who wrote unnatural progeny we destroy. We drown even children who at birth are weak or abnormal. Well into this world came Christianity. Who's teaching and practice was one hundred and eighty degrees from that of the surrounding societies the early second century Christian document known as the decay told Christians do not murder a child by abortion or kill it at birth. The epistle of Barnabus which dates from a few decades later similarly says do not murder child by abortion, nor again destroy that. Which is born will believe it. Are not infanticide. Just one example of the cruelty and callousness that characterize the ancient world anyone who wasn't a nobleman emphasis on man was a potential and often actual victim of the same kind of cruelty. Infants women slaves and the poor to name just a few against this backdrop Paul's declaration that there's neither Jew, nor gentile slave nor free nor is there male or female for your all one in Christ. Jesus had the potential to turn the world upside down, and that's exactly what it did. It took time and there were fits and starts. But Christianity made the world that we now take for granted even possible as Johnson tells readers, the west rejection of Christianity threatens to undo this world for those who scoff at such an idea, he lays out the reason historical record, which isn't pretty evil such a scientific racism, which posits that some groups are inherently inferior to others eugenics, and it's alternate expression. The Third Reich all have their origins and worldviews that rejected Christianity he. He reminds us that these literally godless world views have left a body count in the hundreds of millions. The holocaust Stalin's victims the killing fields of Cambodia and the estimated seventy million Chinese who died under Mao given this historical record. It's unimaginable that we should want to revert to a world prior to Christianity, or at least it should be unimaginable. And that's why I can't recommend the book. Unimaginable highly enough. It's a book every Christian interested in worldview, and especially those who aren't should have in their library in this month. It's our gift to those who make a donation to break point. And the Colson center just come to breakpoint dot org, and you can join Jeremiah Johnston on a free webinar this coming Tuesday, February the fifth at noon eastern, again, come to breakpoint dot org to register for breakpoint. I'm John Stonestreet.

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NPR News: 04-20-2020 11PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 8 months ago

NPR News: 04-20-2020 11PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Shay Stevens. Democratic and Republican governors are insisting that the White House do more to eight state efforts to test for covert nineteen. Some governor say shortages of swamps protective gear and other supplies are impeding process. How many people are infected president? Trump's state leaders are just misinformed states need to assess their complete inventory of available capacity. Substates have far more capacity than they actually understand and it is a complex subject but Some of the governor's didn't understand it. the governor is an example. Pritzker from Illinois did not understand his capacity president. Trump says he plans to me with. New York's governor tomorrow at the White House suggesting it was Andrew. Cuomo IDEA governor says the rate of new Coronas virus infections continue to slow in his state but warns against lifting social distancing measures to soon. Npr's Windsor Johnston reports that Cuomo was also repeating his call for additional federal support. Governor Cuomo says the state cannot begin to reopen until it receives federal funding to drastically increase the capacity for Corona virus testing speaking at his daily briefing. The governor said that funding could also be used for hazard pay for frontline workers. We all say boy. They did a great job to healthcare. Workers did a great job. The police the heroes. Yes they are but you know what thanks is nice but also recognition of their efforts and their sacrifice is also appropriate. Cuomo says the number of new corona virus cases in the state continues to slow but warns the infection rate could increase as more people leave their homes and resume normal activities. Windsor Johnston NPR news on Wall Street. Stocks closed sharply lower today after oil. Prices plunged below zero. Npr's Scott horsely reports that the Dow Jones industrials tumbled nearly six hundred points with much of the country. Hunker down at home. Demand for gasoline and jet fuel has tacked oil producers are running out of room to store their excess crude and with futures contract for May delivery coming do traders were actually paying people nearly forty dollars a barrel to take oil off their hands that unprecedented signal of an economy nearing a standstill was dragged on the stock market. The Dow fell nearly two and a half percent the S. and P. Five hundred dropped about one point. Eight percent the Nasdaq saw small decline of only around one percent companies that cater to stay home customers like Amazon net flicks so their stocks rise Scott horsely. Npr News Washington. Us futures are down a fraction in pre-market trading as oil prices showed some signs of stabilising on Asian markets. Stocks are also lower down a fraction in Tokyo. You're listening to NPR news. Most abortions are once again banned in Texas including those induced by medication for the duration of state restrictions due to cove in nineteen and NPR's Serra McCamman reports. The ruling follows weeks of legal wrangling over whether abortion is the non essential medical procedure. Texas is among several states where Republican officials have argued that abortion should be put on hold in an effort to free up medical supplies. That's led to several legal maneuvers resulting in a quickly shifting series of court orders controlling the procedure medication abortions. Using pills were briefly allowed to continue but now a federal appeals court says they must be suspended along with most surgical abortions planned. Parenthood Acting President Alexis Meal Johnson describes the situation as whiplash for patients in Texas. People are being forced to risk their health by traveling. Hundreds of miles out of state to get care can't afford to travel and so they're going care. Altogether Texas Governor Greg Abbott. Last week announced he was relaxing. His ban on elective surgeries asked how that applies to abortion. Abbott said that would be up to the courts Sarah McCamman NPR news. The trump administration is appealing a court order to improve conditions at border patrol facilities in parts of Arizona in February use. Us District Court Judge David Berry or the agency to provide beds blankets food sanitation and medical care for migrants held at facilities for over forty eight hours. It was the latest ruling over a two thousand fifteen mall suit. Claiming conditions at detention sites in the so called Tucson sector. Were dangerously crowded and inhumane. I'm Shay Stevens. Npr News in Washington.

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EP 26 - Interview with Brenda Johnston

The Persistence Factor

1:09:41 hr | 2 years ago

EP 26 - Interview with Brenda Johnston

"People give up too soon. Right. You literally have to stick with it until you hit that tipping point. Good day. What is going on woken to the T P, aka the persistence factor? Mine is Troy Brown. Full the professional athlete to sports turned professional development transformation. Coach helping people live unprecedented. Life HEB. Wait, I bring to you real life. Inspirational stories to ready help you stay on the road to success and to stay consistently inspired. I want these stories to help you develop your own mental toughness, which is so well needed into days demanding times to be quite on this. My wish view is that these stories will allow you to develop your own persistence to muscle onto ongoing. No matter what I really wanna thank you personally spending time today. It really means so much to me if you get a moment any point, please, please please of scribe and Lieber review. And right the show. Now, let's get out. There. Take massive action. Get uncomfortable and develop your own persistence. Factum muscle kid. Good and greetings. You know, is it's the boy it's your might with the dodgy English accent, Mr Brown Troy to governor Brown in the hot seat. We are back again with another teepee after persistence back. And man this episode is going to blow your frigging mind. The raise them why this lady, and we did an amazing. We could've probably got on for about three hours to be on the V8.. It was this episode was such an alignment with my core beliefs, and my values, and what I stand for as a coach and mental that brendor, and I we would just so in sync and a hope when you listen to this episode, you can feel it to Brenda Johnston is a lady that has done some of her life. Let we just kinda go over her story her back crowned kinda give you the soft show. And if you will Brenda story began in two thousand and six when she underwent her first major hustle transformation and lost this one hundred forty five pounds naturally without surgery. And despite being told the odds of her keep an offer going to be very very low as she has kept off a ten years. So let me tell you. So from physique transformation. It's actually easy to lose weight. The hardest thing is sustaining there is she sustained for ten years. Let me carry on here. This was the beginning of her shift into understanding the power of her subconscious. Mind, how reprogramming co beliefs and internal stole patterns can lead to lasting transformations next part? Her next breakthrough came after realizing that her money and success blueprint was not in alignment with a core. Desires, and this was preventing her from making and keeping money, which is for me to a lot of other people love ultra preneurs, right? Let me carry on here with the realization brenda's set out to do her in the work can change our internal program. And so she could work towards the level success. She desired in less than a month. She turned her tenure Correa us little side hustle on the side into a successful and the fos growing business allowing her to finally leave her corporate job and limiting beliefs behind off the fourteen years as a as a transformation coach Brenda uses tolls. Such as NLP hypnosis to help people transform on. A subconscious level. That's so much. Listen, I am just going to let this woman. Do the token and con let you sit back, and relax and kind of lesson to Brennan Johnson has to say as I mentioned earlier, this is an amazing show and a hope if you get some valley from this pod 'cause I would so so much appreciate it. If you could write and review this show because the mall reviews, I get the more ratings. I get the more this information's going to get people because episodes, this that can really change people's lives. So as I mentioned sit back, and relax and listen to Brenda Johnston. Thank you so much for listening. Take care. We go. Good day everyone. Welcome back to the teepee after persistence factor. It is your governor Mr. Troy Brown here in the hot seat. And I have a very special lady here a good friend of jasmine. And I her name is rendered Johnston. And she has a phenomenal story too. I think a lot of women are going to be inspired to hear. But also meant as well. And she has done so much in her life, and I'm really going to allow her to do her background. If you will because you are going to be so inspired. So obviously why always say before we begin. These shows is to always sit back relax grab your favorite beverage Cup at say as we say in the UK or a Cup of coffee and really listen to what Brenda has to say. Because I know you guys are going to be really really inspired at the end of this and make sure as well. If you got pen and paper to take lots of knows because render is an amazing coach who's basically transformed her body. She's transformed her money and success blueprint. And you're probably gonna. Wonder why how she did it so Brenda first of all welcome to the positions back to my dear. It's great to have you. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. I love getting to do these things. I love getting to connect with more and more people. So thank you so much having me. Oh, my my pleasure account, wait for the listeners to hear your story. So first of all, let's get right to it. So one not share with the listeners Brenda Johnson's background and anything that in the beginning you would fail with really benefit listeners because you do have as I mentioned already in the beginning. You have a phenomenal story white for people to hear it. So take your white. Well, I think the best place to start is probably the beginning. And that takes us back to two thousand and six when Brenda was three hundred fifteen pounds, right? What people don't always understand is that growing up. I was actually a really skinny kid. I was like rake skinny lake so thin. I wasn't really athlete. I will the model. So I was just very fit and then as I got older, and I got my first real job. I was working in the ad agency industry, which is a hugely stressful. I started to put on weight because also when I went to college, I still lived at home. So like, my mom was cooking for me. So and so when I moved out on my own in a different city. I didn't really know how to cook. And a piece of my brain went holy crap. I can whatever I wanna eat right now. So I did I ate it. All I drank it, all I like to joke that I had a seafood diet. I would see food eat it all of the. What I did stand was that sitting on my Bom all day working in a super high stress will industry is going to have a massive toll take a massive toll on my body and the weight slowly started to come on. So by the time, I was. Twenty four. I had literally that was so that was the first time I got married, so I was two hundred thirty two pounds at that time. And at that time that was my heaviest weight, right? And we were getting married. I got married when I was twenty four. And after that, I was like, you know, what I'm seeking this. I'm gonna lose the weight any do whatever it takes. Unfortunately, I did whatever it took the wrong way several times. I think we spent about fifteen thousand dollars trying to lose weight gauche, and it wasn't it wasn't money that I had. So I did things like Dr Bernstein's, which is just so bad for your metabolism. So anyways long story short. I ended up losing fifty pounds in a month. Gosh. Wow. Yeah. Say you can imagine how grow silence. But I didn't care because I was I had lost fifty pounds. And I was like, oh, you know, what? Yes. I lost fifty pounds. This is great. I soon realized that after I stopped doing Dr burns scenes, and I started eating again because there's a thing they don't fix what's going on subconsciously. So we're gonna talk about money blueprint, but everybody has blueprints for all aspects of our life. I now had this blueprint of being a larger person. Right. I didn't take care of switching my beliefs. I didn't take care of creating Neum powering beliefs to keep me as a thin person. And so as I started to eat again because basically they have you on eight hundred calories a day, which is my goodness. Yeah. So I just really started to put on weight again. And so not only did I gain back the fifty pounds. I gained like I went up to three hundred and fifteen pounds. So by the time, I was thirty. I was three hundred and fifteen pounds. And when you go through that, obviously your brain goes to well, see it's impossible to keep the weight off. Nobody can keep the weight off. They were right. I gained it back while Bobo. And it was really interesting because it took me another three years till I was thirty three just to get like utterly pissed off and say like I've had enough right and starts to do it the right way. So you made the decision a conscious decision. Yeah. But here's where it's kind of weird. So when I was thirty at my thirtieth birthday. There was a surprise party for me. And the surprise was me when I saw the photos as like who is at morbidly obese person staring back at me. I just had no idea who she was. So on my third birthday. I made the conscious decision that I'm gonna get healthy the right way. And then it took me three years stocks take action on that. Because that's where brain goes. Well, you failed before it's not gonna work this time. What makes you think, you know? And so go ahead. So you basically had to do so much in the work to change the blueprint to change the belief system from the from sub-conscious standpoint. Yeah. And even back then like I didn't realize what I had to do. I didn't realize that 'til much later my journey. I actually. It took me several years to lose weight. So I ended up losing a hundred and forty five pounds again, one hundred forty five one forty five I had one of those magic buttons could press it, and it will a big applause would come up. I would do that for you right now. So okay. So this quickly before sorry to interrupt. No worries. You lost you've lost one hundred forty five pounds. Yeah. And has that stayed off? So yes, for the most part has stayed off this past couple of years. I put on about thirty pounds, which brings me back to the internal blueprint, which we'll talk about that. I'm in the process now taking that off again. So. Wow. Right. This. This gets me to stop this. This is so aware I get very excited because I I sometimes get a little bit carried away when it comes to the mind, and I think somebody people get turned off with my my concepts of the subconscious mind, and how powerful is and subset Petagine behaviors. And limiting believe said, you you all what you think about all day long that kind of thing. So I am so grateful right at you talking about is because I know that shadow that out at this episode right here, it's going to transform and help so many women on men get to the ideal buddy way, and to sustain it with some of the tools and techniques that you'll gonna share. So as you're anything else that you wanted to elaborate on in this journey of losing this one hundred forty five pounds before we move on. No. I mean, that's the big piece of it. The funny thing was I got interviewed for this book years ago like after lost the weight, and this brings me to what you were talking about. And I had a neuroscientist asking me how I kept the weight off for so long. And you know, it was weird. I couldn't answer him at the time. I didn't know I didn't know that what I had done was. I had taken my goals and surrounded them in emotion. I did not know back then that the way to get what you wanted was to use your emotion. Or get excited every area. I love the keep it. My goal. And the reason I talked if you will this is jury this transition because a lot of things that comes up for people as they're like, you know, I lost this way. And then I had a significant life experience, and then I put all the weight back on. So I think it was I done a photo shoot. In twenty twelve. I was the best physical shape of my life. I was shit show emotionally like mentally because I was getting divorced. So eighteen years of being with the same person. We had agreed that you know, it just wasn't working anymore. So I went from twenty twelve and I didn't gain any weight which was really weird because as I was going through my divorce. I drank a lot. I basically I would probably looking back is pretty close to being a function alchoholic at the time. And I ate Eminem's peanut unknowns endure Ito's drink a lot of AGA and eight I drink protein shakes because in my head. I was like, okay. As long as I can get some protein in me, this'll be good. I just didn't feel like eating. So my thought process was just eat whatever you can get in your body didn't feel like eating. And so I remember waking up one day. It was like I don't know a year later would say going through this and I walked into my garage. It wasn't even a year later actually is probably a few months in I walked into the garage and saw so many empty bottles that just booze wine, vodka, whatever. And I remember standing there. And this is where the first shift started to happen again. And I remember looking at his bottles and having a full long conversation with myself. I was like look it you need to stop being. Having like union having a pity party for yourself. You need to pick your ass up to move forward. Because also in my head. I was like if I can't do this for me helmet can help other people do this up -solutely. And that was the first shift of literally choosing to be happy. Because that's the thing that people don't realize, right. We have a choice every single day when we wake up you can choose to be happy and positive or you can choose to get sucked into war Tech's negatively. Yup. And I was done with that. Done so Superindent. Did you get help? Or did you seek out coach or mental when when the shift happened for you when yet defining moment when you said enough is enough or did you do it on your own? I actually went for traditional therapy. Which I loved at the time. I really. Was still carrying around a lot of anger and stuff. I always joke because people I had anger issues and people don't wanna tell them that like get out. I'm like, no, I really I was very angry person. So I went for traditional therapy. And it wasn't until actually just a few years ago. I went through hypnosis and the NLP work, which really shifted lay. It literally changed my mind with the traditional therapy, which I liked it was all about kind of going backwards. I didn't wanna go backwards. I wanted to be present. So that I could move forward with the NLP hypnosis. That's really what happened. Yes. Other. This is great. This is a great segue. So what do you actually do right now? I mean in terms of your career because you've kind of touched on NLP. And you kinda spoken about therapy is is that the line of work that you're involved in now in terms of clientele. Yeah. So what I focus on? Now is the P which is earliest programming and hypnosis, and I have a background in nutritional therapy. So I'm able to tie all of these things in together for people depending on what we're working on. Because as you know, if you do not have a healthy from shame body your mind is not gonna function. How you want it to three mo-? Sometimes it takes looking at everything to kind of do that. And the reason so it's funny because people here hypnosis like, oh, you're gonna make me click like cheek in. No, no. Many misconceptions about an LPN hypnosis. I've heard OC mind control, people know, mind control, people, it'd be a completely different business. Like NLP is really just the language. It's the language that your brain speaks. It's how we see things how we feel things how we hear things on like with all of our sense, ROY how we relate to others. How we cope with things are we blame her placate or distracter like how do we interact with the world. That's really all linguistic programming is in than with the hypnosis. It's basically awesome hack to get results faster. So by being able to put people in hypnosis, which by the way, all hypnosis is self hypnosis. I'm literally just your guide you are doing it. All right. So by being being able to put people. In very relaxed state were able to kind of bypass the conscious mind so that we can talk to the sub-conscious because the subconscious is where all of our memories are stored. It's the master of all of our motions it literally organizes all of our memories. It can also repress things that we don't wanna remember it actually preserves the body. So this is a lot of people don't realize, especially when it comes to weight loss, our subconscious mind, if we are trying to make changes that uses up more calories than our conscious mind goes. No, no, no. I don't like this. This is uncomfortable. This is change. I'm out. Sabotage comes from. Oh, yes. So and here's the thing. Our subconscious mind has two jobs. It can accept information or rejected, and are some conscious mind takes everything personally. So that's why we need to get in there and kind of shift our beliefs and shift how we see things right? Okay. So for the listeners right now that listening to Brenda is the K to the vote here. What you're trying to say is that a diet won't fix him at I might get a Whitelaw sword. I might lose some white, but probably put it back on again, which probably happened to correct. So you got up duty in a walk alongside with the nutrition and the exercise is that correct? Is that what you're saying? Yes. And here's gets really interesting. So if we go back in my time line to when I was three hundred pounds when I started putting on weight growing up. I was like I said very thin. I was very pretty when I started to apply for jobs in the advertising agency. Which at the time was very man dominated. There are a lot of inappropriate comments made today, mice sub conscious mind in an attempt to keep me safe said, I don't wanna be looked at. For how I look I wanna be taken seriously for my brain. And so my subconscious mind said, okay, let's put weight on. Because if you're fat they won't look at you like that desk. Crazy. Yes is crazy conned us. Another listen. Listen, people listening to what Brenda saying, hey, this is gold write this stuff down carry on, interrupting worry. So like, you you kind of have to look and go will why did I gain the weight in the first place, and some people will be listening to this and say, you know, I've been larger my home tire life. Okay. But why were how were your parents Howard, the people around you like there's reasons for everything every negative behavior. A reaction actually has a positive intention bright which blows people's minds. They know it's not. That's not true. No, it absolutely is true. Think about if somebody's constantly stuck in victim mode. They're constantly complaining. The world is happening to them. What are they getting out of that they're getting attention from people? So we have to that's where I come in. I kind of get to the root of like where is the stuff actually coming from? Right. Right. Okay. This is so good this bumps right now. 'cause. With desmond. And I coach. Okay. So now regards to you. You'll clientele you help obviously people with with pulmonary weight loss and permanent chains very similar to what you've done, but you also help high performers out Japan ause, right? Get to that sort of final destination. If you will maybe elaborate on that a little bit more on on how you help these high performance because you're you're actually helping jasmine I with with all money blueprint in power dimes, and you're also helping a couple of good friends of are also coaches as well. So I would love to talk about this a little bit more in depth. Yeah. So it's really funny because I thought that I would only be helping people with fat loss. And as time is going on those are not the people who are acted to me. It's actually the entrepreneurs like you're saying the people who want to perform a higher level because and this is just a. After slain this part of my story. I had a really fucked up belief around money my whole life. My was that money was really hard to get that. If you had a lot of money, you're a sellout that only the rich get richer and the poor get poorer like Ed so many beliefs just because of the way I was raised and by no fault to my parents because they great job. Raising me is the the environment that I was in taught me that to be successful. You have to work really hard. And like if you make a lot of money while you're sellout. So again, we go back to the conscious mind, right, Faisal conscious mind doesn't want people to think I'm at sell out. So I would make shit tons of money, and it would be gone like three weeks. Yes. Because I could not keep the money. I was constantly in debt. I was when I got divorced. We. Like eighty thousand dollars in debt, and then we paid all at off. And so when I started my life is just me, I was debt free. Guess how long that lasted three months while because my blueprint was set to live in scarcity. My blueprint was set to only just have enough. And so when did you what did you do to change that? Well, a lot of inner work again I had to recognize just like with the wait. Why was not allowed? Why was not allowing myself to hold onto the money? And it was like, oh, right. Because I grew up with the belief that if you make a lot of money, you're a sellout. And I also had this belief that if you are a healer or a service provider like we are you should not make a lot of money. Right. So I was I had a my business for like ten years. I call it a business, but it was really just a hobby for ten years because. I don't like conflict. So I didn't want people. Judging me, I didn't want people judging me for making money. So I had to start creating new empowering beliefs around money so like money flows. Easily to me, I pay my bills with ease and the more and more and more. You do that things inside of you start to shift, but it's really hard. This is so this is where it gets interesting in this is the weight loss and with the high performers that I work with people give up too soon. Right. You literally have to stick with it until you hit that tipping point. Because let's look at it like this night were golfing, and there's eighteen holes in golf and on every hole. We're gonna put in a dollar. We're gonna double investment on every hole. Okay. So whole one it's a dollar by the time. We get the whole five. Sixteen dollars by the time. We get to whole eleven there's a thousand dollars in there by the time, we get to the eighteenth hole one hundred thirty one thousand dollars, right? But you the tipping point in. This example is the eleventh hall because at the tenth haul. We were only making like five hundred twelve dollars. But if we stick it out to the eleventh hole by the time, we got the eleventh hole or like, you know, what it's really not that hard just to finish off the eighteen holes. Oh, so it's kinda like that compound effect. It's exactly like the compound fact, it's like the you building momentum will big mo-, I believe that's what Darren hardy said in that book defect. So so a spike would you say it's like just having that little bit of discipline to keep on keeping on. Yes. And when people beat themselves up and say, oh, I don't have any willpower actually think willpower is a little bit of bullshit. It's. It's conscious mind, right? We make the choice. Again. There's the choice thing. Right. We make the choice to keep going when we say, I have no willpower. That's just our subconscious mind. Allowing us to make up excuses to keep stuck and the other thing people need to remember too is when I talk about being positive and being happy. I don't mean walking around thinking that the world is all rainbows unicorn sunshine, obviously. But it's looking at things and going into what there's a situation I'm choosing hound going to react to this. So that I can keep vibrating lever above so I keep my energy high because the other thing that people don't realize too is everything is energy. And that's not we will. It's physics. Yes. If you are constantly surrounded by negative people. And you're wondering like why does the world keep happening to me because your energy is not where it should be. It's not high enough. So that calibration. Yeah. Right. Right. Okay. So I know that in terms of you spoke about an pay another that a Tony Robbins is I believe from why raid and here that he's a Mostra an old pays correct? Yes. And so I love tyrod just the way he kind of puts himself in state, and what I mean by that again goes back to the choice he chooses like every time he goes on stage. She has rituals that goes through to shift his physical state, and that's really something that I teach my clients is how to set these anchors. So that if you are especially high performers if you're going. To present something in front of people. If you need to be operating peaks state, we set these anchors. So you literally most of it is like making a fist or fingers together. As soon as you do this, your whole body can feel the positivity in the energy in the confidence in all of this stuff flowing through your body, right thing. It's awesome. It's like one of my favorite things Ivan do before I go to the gym now. Absolutely. Really cool. Yeah. Because I kind of do that too. I've been doing this for years. I mean, I kind of do on my law sale. I always say to myself law set set Troy, a cold it, Mike governor set, and why do people look at me. Like a widow by slapped my chest as hot as I can to get me in state, but it works every single Tom note. Tony does this too. I think he was a power move is at right, Brenda. Yeah. I think that's what he calls it. But like, you slapping, your chest to imagine if you were going into a meeting or you're going to get new clients or you were going to do something. And you did that that's your that's your anchor. It literally anchors those feelings emotions to you. What's interesting before we go on this interview in this podcast? I did the same thing. But mainstay so makes complete sense. This is amazing such good stuff. Wow. Well, that's really cool because some people have anchors that are music. I mean, I'm very drawn to music. You're not always in a place where you can just crank the music or crank your power song. So sometimes it's just a matter of getting up where you are. And just dancing it out man, like dance shit out of. It's. Or pistol very lonely. If you Don out right true and people like that's just weird. I'm like well do at once tell me how you feel. Yeah. But I think most people kind of want to be stuck in that self pity's. Don't want to be grateful. I don't wanna dance it out. Like, a rob a beat this miserable and unhappy what most people do right? Yeah. Hundred percent 'cause I mean being miserable and unhappy takes less effort. Yes state. The other thing is like most people, and I'm sure you guys run into this. You ask somebody like what they want out of life, and they go, I don't know. Well, how you can get there. I like delay compare this to like GPS, right? Yes. Has three components your current location in your destination and the path to get there. If you don't know where you are currently located how does your GPS work. It doesn't it becomes useless. So stop focusing on the past stop worrying about the future and be present. Because it's your present moment that creates serum as ING future. All areas of life, not just money and success like every area of your life, yet that makes sense what you think anxiety so prevalent in this day and age because so many people that we speak to experience it myself. I'll hold my hands up and be honest and transparent. Now, I've had a lot of anxiety in my life. But why do you think anxieties is so prevalent in society Brenda because we're constantly focused on the future? When I was going through my life changes like my divorce. I was so anxious which is why I turned to the booze because it helped shut my brain off because I was constantly emigrant have enough money is gonna work out. Emma, going to be single for the rest of my life. Like Imigran be low than him. Seventy we focus on the future. Which is why? Anxiety, depression, tend to come from futures thoughts. Right. But I gotta let go of that. And just not don't go there. Yes. Yet that makes complete sense. And it kinda makes sense to if somebody is really serious about transforming unday gets up. Will you will you say enough is enough that probably it will be a good idea to seek out. Someone like Brenda Jones stood. A help because you've been number one. But also you the proven track record. That's why as I mentioned already jasmine in Iowa can with you right now. And we would just can before we dumped on this putt costs. How brenda's given us a kind of meditation visitation Sadie that we listened to before bed. We only been doing it for a couple of weeks already. I'm not just saying it because you're you're live on this puck off right now, Brenda I feel a huge shift right now just in my mindset, and when I wake up first thing in the morning, so I know that this stuff absolutely works. And I know that the subconscious mind is wide open fussing in the morning and loss thing at night. And that's why you told us to this. Tha that audio before we go to sleep. And isn't it, isn't it? Correct. That your subconscious mind is still out putting while you're in at sleep. Oh, absolutely. So when people are like so the programs. I create are designed to help people sleep. So people are like, oh, I fell. Sleep. I don't know what you said. I don't want. You listening to him saying, I want you to be I want you to just relax and the interesting thing about the hypnosis programs versus just meditation is there's an outcome that you're after without notice. So with you guys it's about being open to receiving an attracting abundance like that. So with meditation. It's just about kind of relaxing with hypnosis. There's a clear intention and for hypnosis to work you have to. Have an idea of who you want to become so when I'm working with these entrepreneurs in these people who on up level. I mean, the rest of my story, obviously is that this past year. I went from having my ten year. Hobby maybe making twenty thousand dollars a year to in less than eight months being able to create a business. It was a stable enough to allow me to leave my corporate job after fourteen years. Incredible. Which I literally just did like last week was my last day. So congratulations. So it's fitting that we're talking today. Time. It is not dents. No. And that's people are drawn to that. Like, whoa. How did you do that? How were you? I was literally having seventy five hundred dollar months working like two jobs, but working fourteen hours a day with my part, or for today, working fourteen hours a week with my side hustle will call it because I was so laser focused on what I wanted to create my sub-conscious minded everything could to help me get there, so January. I said to my coaches Joe, and Sara who you know, I was like I want to leave my corporate job in October at no frigging idea. How is gonna do that? Because let's remember I was making maybe fifteen hundred dollars a month. So how do you replace corporate income with fifteen hundred dollars month? I got super frigging laser focused in. I started creating new beliefs by ask myself, what does this success? Version of myself who do I need to become to be able to leave in October. And this is what people don't do. They forget to where they think it's weird. You have to ask yourself who do you need to become in order to achieve? What it is that you want because if you are overweight, for example, and you like why don't wanna become anybody new? Okay. Well, then you're gonna stay overweight because clearly the person that you're identifying with right now is never going to be a fit healthy happy person. Right. I just same goes with money. I had to say. The person who believes that they are successful in wealthy doesn't worry about money. They let go of the how and they trust that the money's gonna come. They do the work to bring in the business, but they don't worry about OEM in debt. Oh, S can cost money. Oh is there going to be enough money? Oh, I have to pay for like just don't worry about that. And it was interesting because one month before I was about to put my resignation might old pattern showed up the pattern of you have a lot of money in our gonna get rid of it. And what happened was one of our cats got sick and needed emergency surgery. And I was like. It was three thousand dollars. So my first reaction was oh here we go. Again, the universes telling you, you're not supposed to do this. And then automats shifted out of that. I was like, no, we're good. I've got the money were fine. So it's kind of like a universal test. Yeah. That's how it was in my head. I was like they're testing me. And that's what we call out that paradigm. Right. Richly literally raising its ugly head and try to took you out of it from a chief in what you want to shave right in that. So the important thing to know is we have these beliefs, right? And yes, we can. Neutralize some of them. We don't ever get rid of them. We replace them with new beliefs, and what happens is when those oil beliefs come in. We just handle differently 'cause they no longer have power over us. We take our power back. Wow. This is so good on his funny because we what with clients on you do as well when you can see the ones I've had the transformation that all the ones keeping the white off because they changed their beliefs. They change they did the in the work. They just I think in the beginning. I just believe always just a diet is just go do more cardio, go do more training in gym do that base mode mentality. But they don't realize in the beginning if they did the in the work alongside with the physical stuff. It's going to speed up the process is that's what you'll say, right? Like one hundred percent, and when it comes to like entre preneurs in that the high performers the interesting thing, I see with them is they're afraid to stop their frayed to slow down because of the beliefs that they have are that if I stop or slow down the money's going to disappear. And it's interesting I love just having conversations with people 'cause I can pick up on what their beliefs are pretty fast. But it's not my job to tell you what your belief is. It's my job to help you realize it, and so listening to people one of the most common things I hear is. Oh, well, the money's not that important. So let's look at it like this. Let's pretend you're in a relationship, and you tell your partner, oh, you're not actually that important. Here partners in his stick around. Oh, man. So good money. You have to develop a relationship with money. I had shit relationship with money. I didn't know how much I owed my mortgage. I didn't know how much ODA my Jeep. I knew how much dead I had because I was constantly focused on the negative stuff. But once you develop a loving relationship with money everything just starts to shift and a lot of people who have money issues, either have weight issues or they have relationship issues because they're all tied together. It comes back to receiving everybody's really good at giving. But when it comes time to receive or like. Explain explain that a little bit more elaborate on that a little bit more of how does one get into the mindset of receiving again. It comes back to allowing yourself to change your beliefs. Allowing yourself to say, here's a perfect example. You know, how people get weirded out when you give them a compliment. Yup. Oh, thanks. That's a receiving issue. If you can't accept the compliment or if you can't ask for help and accept the help without feeling like you want to vomit on yourself. That's receiving problem. We close herself off because we're frayed to allow people to access their energy on that level because we're frayed of getting hurt. There's really literally just did a post incident is you really only two core. Emotions love and fear and every positive emotion comes out of love every negative. One comes out of fear. The challenge we run into is everybody functions from a place of fear all the time. Because his easier. Absolutely. So you have to start to shift out of that and go like what what do I actually want? What do I want the outcome to be? How do I get there? How do I just let go of the fear and the worry doubt and the scarcity in the lack right? So it's hard. Is this kind of ask different questions you has. So one of the best questions. I get people to start with literally just play a game. What would it take to do whatever? So for me, one of the things I needed to feel good about my decision to leave corporate was to have twenty thousand dollars in the Bank. And I said that in Jane as like I would like to have twenty thousand dollars in Bank. I know fucking clue how it's gonna get twenty thousand dollars in the Bank. So the question I asked was what would it take to have an extra twenty thousand dollars in the Bank? And then I set it in forget it. I think that's foreman. That was weird. Good. You know, you literally set the intention, and then you leave it alone. You don't dwell on it. And what happened was I was in the process of remortgaging my house because I lived here for five years, and I was taking care of debt knows getting things in order. I shit. You not I get I opened a Bank account the one day after this is all gone through. And there's twenty thousand dollars in my Bank account, boom. And I'm like what the hell where did this money? Come from. Oh, it's got to be a state. I checked the Bank account every day for five days. And then finally called the bake. And was like, hey, so I was expecting like five thousand dollars extra, but there's twenty thousand dollars in here. And they're like, oh, we can put that back on your mortgage is like, no, no keep it. But it's like don't worry about how to come. Don't focus on the how oh it's just like go. It'll come to. You y'all got hood o- on old mentor told me once that you set the intention, and you shall fit. Yeah. Literally people get so focused on all I want this to happen going to know, let it go just stop focusing on the how and I have people say to me, well, especially the high performers while if I want to be making two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year a million dollars a year. How am I supposed to just let go of that? I'm not telling you not to put the work in. I'm telling you to stop focusing on the place of fear. What if it doesn't happen? What if I don't get it? It's not about that. You will get it. Because you're putting the work in as long as you're taking action and taking a step forward. You'll get there. It's interesting when you said about the intention, let it go instantly could feel some of the. Frustration if you will or anxiety. So upside to spy, you even to say that because I go some big dream big, visions and big expirations. And sometimes jasmine will tell you get very impatient. But just use I in that. I literally belt a lot more calm. And the thing is in. It's good that you do the visualization and stuff because our sub conscious mind taps into our maginalization. I went through this phase 'cause I just turned forty four a couple of weeks ago. So not only did have money issue to work through. I had oh you're too old to do this which is just crap ages disa- number up. So if you can create an image of what? So I figure out who do you need to become to become the person take to achieve the things you want to achieve to ask. What is this version of myself need to be thinking about? And then you create an image of what that looks like what would you see? What would you hear? What would you smell? What would you feel? What would you taste or touch when this becomes reality? And that's where it's bringing in all of our emotions right in like, I said, our subconscious mind is connected to imagine in its thrives off of energy. So when you create this visual of what you're trying to create it becomes ways ear for your subconscious mind to get on board and help you out. And then you attach emotion to it. Like, how do you wanna feel that? It's not just what I want. This know how does how does that feel what to success feel like to you? What does success look like to you? What does success like taste like to you? And then just like the how remember like your old thoughts became your beliefs. They were just thought that we're solidified by motion you can change them by creating new thoughts that are solidified by emotion. Penn is going crazy to say about away. Awesome. Like the goal is literally to feel that you're African nations are already true. And so I know a lot of people how they struggle with affirmations right because. If your internal blueprint is still messed up in your saying affirmations, like I'm wealthy. I'm rich. I'm abundant in your internal blueprint is going bullshit bullshit bullshit. There's a way around that. If if tell you're speaking shift Shifter affirmations for little while start by saying I choose to allow money to flow easily to me, I choose to be abundant. I choose to be wealthy. I choose to have freedom. Because by saying I'm choosing remember some conscious only has two jobs accept or reject your choosing to do this has. No, it can't reject it. Because it's the truth. You're choosing in that moment to think that way. Caso? You choose to be wealthy an abundant you chew. I choose to have the body of my dreams. Yeah. Or even I'm in the process of having the body of my dreams, I'm in the process of becoming strong, healthy and fit. I'm in the process of releasing this, wait, okay? Okay. This is. No, crazy, powerful stuff. Get in Brecon excite over here. Now, you spoke about open worship hope high-performace. Now, what some of the issues that you find what with these high performers in knows that. You stumble upon oh my gosh. So they all have money issues like money beliefs. The one of the biggest ones is comfort. So that like I can make enough money to be comfortable. But then they can't get past that or they again can't shut down. So they overwork themselves will be working like eighty a hundred hours a week and making no money. Because they're afraid to shut down. But it's like guys year so closed off to receiving this money. You're never gonna get it unless you chill the hell out and start shifting. How you see things? Amass extremely hard to do for an ultra panel trust make as we both. Right. So that's extremely tough to do so hard. And that was one of my money issues was feeling like I didn't deserve to become a fulltime entrepreneur feeling like I didn't deserve the money. I was making because I wasn't stressed out. Like everybody else. See how remind goes to these stupid places. Absolutely yet. Let's really cool as once you understand this process of shifting your beliefs in letting go of the crap not hanging onto the how it becomes really easy for you to change your beliefs. Well, it's easy. But it's hard because you have to repeat it and stick with it. Right. Yes. Yes. It's like when I'm listening to you is like, my my brain is having a moment's like time and time again as as you'll spe in eleven I always tell people this is kind of weird but in corporate land, they have acronyms for everything and it kind of became funny. But I realize I haven't acronym for people in. It's it's like the fish the Bassa. But what it means? Is you need to literally be taking big ask scary action every single day, and that's going to help you move effortlessly towards your goals in your intentions that is so fricking true, Brenda. I cannot tell you for made this year. Like what you just said as probably been. I would say the k- attribute to having some success. This year is to get uncomfortable daily. And honestly, you hit the now and ahead. You absolute dead. While and it's scary, man. But the thing to realize too is like true transformation happens on a subconscious level. And it's funny because I might title was transformation coach, but we're actually shifting out of that. We're gonna be calling me high performance coach because I'm helping people perform on a different level, but I'm transforming them on the subconscious level. So it's really cool. Actually, it's it's so amazing sober freshman. You're doing this. A main is probably going to get to the point where you're gonna have to turn people away because you just gonna get so busy. I can see happening fully convinced allies it right now my mind's eye while and I love like disconnecting with people like you jasmine, Joe, and Sara like all these people because we create these networks, right? So it's like, you know, what I may not be able to help people on a certain level. But I can send them to people who can just wanted love if not people get so hung up on like competition. And being secretive. No, we open to receiving hair like help each other behind to each other good as enough to go around for everybody. Right. I really is in that's one of the other things. I run into the high-performers is a lot of them. Get in the space where they're like. Will I don't wanna give stuff away for free? I don't wanna do this. Because there's not enough there. You can literally make as much money as you wanna make their money's energy everywhere. The problem is people get so hung up on what they can't do what they don't have. Is everywhere if you. If I stayed in my corporate job, I would only be able to make certain amount of money. But I know that I can make as much money as I want, and that's not coming from a place of ego. That's saying the more money I can make the Bayer twice as I can make the more. I can give back and help other people. Yes. In the more you give the more you can receive. So I don't know. Like, I said it's about taking big as scary action every single day getting super uncomfortable and knowing that. Goals a really just about getting to feeling. Yeah. You touched on something about does more than off want one thing. I I saw site to myself in the morning that if you look outside the the blaze of gross the cut the trees, it's abundant that we live in this abundant universe. It's enough for everybody to go round. Unfortunately, a lot of people tend to live live in lack can skip. A there's not enough nece. Oh, yeah. And you know, what you'll notice to is as you start vibrate at higher level as you start to see the world differently. You won't believe how easy it is pick up the negativity from everybody else, and you just sit there and go man, that's crazy. One of my favorite things to do. The kind of makes me sound like a jerk. Everything's do. You like, hey, how's it going? And then somebody's like, oh, well, you know, and they give you this like, I'm busy. I didn't ask what your schedule was asked. How you doing? And so I look at them. And I'm like, oh, did you wake up this morning? Yeah. And like, well, then I think it's a pretty fucking fantastic day. Them right out. Ackward a great point you buy remember reading a book by w j Clement stone. And the matter what bad things are happening in your life. He would always say that's good. Yeah. Like, you have the choice to deal with it. How you want? This is honestly one of my favorite episodes right now. I'm on up to cloud nine right now. I really hope that listeners are experiencing the same thing that I'm experiencing. So for you, Brenda was what's next for you? I mean, I could just fill out your dislike this flower blossoming. You're just on fire right now. What's next full? You. Oh my goodness. I'm too so excited because now I can put all my energy into doing this work fulltime. I'm just going to be creating some amazing programs for people. I just wanna continue to help people on the one on one level and need to be doing a lot more speaking engagements putting myself out there a lot more goes back to the big scary action. I hate being on video makes me uncomfortable. But I'm going to do a lot more of it. I just wanna reach as many people as possible. I finally have found the time to start writing I say book, but there's a couple of books in my head. So I'm just really excited to be will help people start living there limitless life and start realizing that like, you can create whatever you want to do it. Like this stuff just lights me up so excited about this. I love helping these love helping everybody, but I love watching these these, hyper. Especially dislike up level and realized like if you Shifter beliefs, and you start to recognize yourself words, look at how many more people you can help this is about a ripple effect with me, I want just I wanna create some sort of movement. I don't know what it is yet. But it's gonna happen coming. Yeah. And I just don't know. I just love helping people transform and not get stuck in this mode where we settle nobody should ever have to settle. You don't have to settle you can create anything you wanna create. I completely agree. One hundred fifty percent. You spoke about books as well. Other books that you would recommend full for the assistance to community like that really help them on the journey to success. There is actually book it's kind of deep it talks about quantum physics which. As part of my funny story to when I was a little kid. I was obsessed with magic in quantum physics. And I was told no ear creative. Okay. So there's this book in the look on my bookshelf second. It is called a happy pocket full of money, infinite wealth in abundance in the here now, and it is by guy named David Cameron. And I don't know how to pronounce his last name. Get candy g K A N D. I. It's very deep it talks a lot about quantum physics with also talks about sub-conscious mind when you're visualizing your goal 's. And it's a love the way it's written because as you read this book every other paragraph it stops. And it's bold writing. Just as I am wealth. I'm abundance. I am joy. Remind you. Yeah. All through the entire book. It does that. That's amazing. Remind which we all Nate. 'cause we all know what we need to do just need constant reminding. Absolutely. And like we have to let go of the fear right fears this fake evidence appearing real conscious mind going. I'm gonna keep you stuck. Easier and doesn't odd brine. It doesn't want us to get ahead. Write once it keep us in the status quo. Is that what you believe is well, Brenda? So it's not that it doesn't want us to get ahead. It said its job is to protect us. If it feels like we're making a massive change. That is scary. And it doesn't want us to get hurt. And this is a big thing that comes up with the high-performers as well is success blocks. Because if you think what like this, the more successful, you get the higher ego the farther you have to fall if it doesn't work. And so that was one of my big blocks. I was like like I said, I don't like conflict. So my head was like, I'm going to have trolls. And they're going to be bothered me. My goodness. The more money. I have what how do I deal with it? While I'll tell you how you deal with that you develop a loving relationship with money, really simple. Yeah. It takes what it takes work. But it's so it it's so worth it. And just the other thing and I struggled with this too. Especially the entrepreneurs in my coach, Joe hold this outta me at some point you need to stop consuming and start creating 'cause we all seem to have this mindset where I don't know Nuff. I can't do this. And I know for me like I started as a personal trainer then went to get my nutritional therapy stuff because my belief was your not scientific your creative a belief was oh shit. Nobody's gonna take me. Seriously. I don't know enough because I don't have the science background. I'm not scientific failure at the same belief like nobody actually ever said that to me, nobody was like, you don't know Nuff. That's the stories. We tell ourselves to keep us off planes small right to keep a stuck to keep us where we are. Because settling his a lot safer. I mean, I remember I remember like it was so long ago like last week. But when I was leaving my corporate job the messages, I got from people, I'm fellow ver man, I had no idea I had impacted so many people's lives the way I did. And it was interesting to read some of the messages because they all kind of had a female. And it was I can't believe you were brave enough to do this. I can't believe you were you made this happen. Like, you're so inspiring in his nice as here. A kind of made me sad is well because I was like, but you can do it too. Yeah. You can do it. And that's our coaches come in like whether you're going through transformation higher coach few up leveling your business higher coach like if you're not willing to invest in near business. How can you expect clients to be willing to invest in you, and that's where the whole people don't charge enough thing comes in too with a lot of that performers. Right. They have a fear that if they charge what they're worse. Nobody's gonna pay. Nestl stems from self value that maybe value in themselves 'cause that was so powerful. What you said, I think that most people have that belief about that maybe not gonna hire a coach because at valued himself. But also, they don't see it as it's an investment in the elf. Right. And I'm not talking about going to get more certifications literally talking about higher coach because. Not to too. We they come at it from lack, right? Well, I don't have the money to to spend on that don't have the money to spend not like to invest in yourself. It's like when people come to see you jasmine right for like fat loss transformations or me in the past like. You tell them everything you do in like wall. That's really expensive. And then you look at them and say, what is your life worth? Absolutely was really what is it worth compress on it? Really? No. But we do that's what we do. Humans. We prices on everything. It's it's I'm putting not intention that out that is going to shift and people are waking up, and they all started to valued himself as human beings. I honestly do believe that there's this like crazy shift happening right now, and that more and more people are starting to like change, their vibration of energy in they are starting to acknowledge themselves, and they are starting to look at things on a place of love and fear. Like, I honestly believe that that is happening right now. But it gets frustrating to the people who are outta higher level because we just want to bring everybody with us because really awesome over here. Yes. Come with us like come over like, you can have this amazing limitless life and experience so much. Awesomeness? But until people experience it for themselves. It's hard yet over here. Do you think that them come in ova, they'll probably think subconsciously that will start worried about what people think of them if they do come over one hundred percent when let me tell you a funny story who so when I started doing the NO paean hypnosis, I did not talk about it for almost a year. So I wasted a year that I could've been helping people very selfish, I cave in helping people for a whole other ear, but my fear was that people were gonna go. Oh, I she was personal trainer than she's insured therapist. And now she's gone completely off the deep end and she's doing hypnosis because hypnosis judged right? Absolutely. Which is hilarious because Oprah has us. It like so many stars have used it. And swear by it, don't many famous people, but people judge what they don't understand. That's right. They don't understand something. They tend to put it down, ridicule it. Oh, yeah. And my whole thing with weight loss was like I don't believe in quick fixes. So then now here I am talking about how hypnosis can give you faster results and people literally were making comments like oh now you've got little magic wand. It doesn't work like that an old brand would have just curled up in a ball and stopped. Where I am. Now. I'm just like I understand that they're coming at it from a place of fear. That's their story. That's their issues. It's not mine. They're not making a judgment on me. It's something about them that they don't like. Absolutely. This is such a great show. I wanted to ask you a more thing that came to the top came on the screen in my mind was when Brenda transitions from this world, what would you like to be best known full? Oh, my goodness assesit. Good question ho date to that's so deep. My gosh. A couple of things actually I would love. People to kind of remember. The ripple lake that I created a little piece of a ripple to help people, but the other people made the ripple even stronger, and I would love people to remember. Gosh, it's a such a good question. I love giving back especially with animals, and as I continuum idir ni I wanna be able to help rescue organization. So I would like to be remembered for being able to help save the lives of. Millions of animals to I guess like I just just wanna be able to give back. I like people remember me for the give back into help helping people realize they don't have to settle. That's really where the nugget and that is. Such a deep question. Great great aunt says to lack feel I could feel the emotion as you were saying that where can people get hold of Brenda Johnston? A your social media. Do you have a wet? So I have a website. But it's in transition right now in our honestly, hang out on Instagram the most. So if you go to at underscore, Brenda Johnston. You'll find me there at Brinda Johnston. They have the at in underscore, and then my name on Facebook as well. They can get man Facebook as well. You're gonna ask me what that is. I have to look forgets. Okay. That's all places. That's okay. Actually, it's just Brenna Johnston on Facebook as well. Okay. Fantastic at any of loss was Eddie Joe's of wisdom or anything. You wanted to leave with the listeners before we go and bring this in for a landing just model phrase site. Yeah. The my pod costs. Yeah. I love it. I would like people to remember that they can create whatever they want and to do that all need to do like be willing to change be willing to see who you really are. And what you wanna create and be willing to live in your truth. And like just be willing to acknowledge all the mind shit. The you have and then work through it. I'm gonna leave it right there lend people pundit on that beautiful and well sit at. Hey, everybody. I dislike to cite bust of old. Thank you so much for listening. This fun ten is delivering value to you. Please. Please please head of two of right and review the show the Pacific too because you know, what this is what helps build up assistive spec to humidity. 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Moment of the Day (2/20/20)

Boomer & Gio

01:14 min | 10 months ago

Moment of the Day (2/20/20)

"Mother so ruckers didn't get it done but you had the big win for Seton Hall last night which meant a frantic final call the great Gary Cohen. Who of course handled it like the pro? He catches fire he added one in. Coleman went with Sandro. The past negative doing joining new Mama. Taylorsville it'd be the only one left of the via Johnston Tacoma. It's time to go would still be there. Yeah it's alright. We lost to beat up on him. He takes it. Well he's a good deed. Here it over forget about it toll. Shire's allow all right Chris stuff. We'll see you tomorrow. Yes Sir all right very good Jerry. Recco is GonNa make somebody very happy.

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Out of Season: Kathryn Scanlan & Devin Johnston

Open Stacks

49:56 min | 1 year ago

Out of Season: Kathryn Scanlan & Devin Johnston

"I worked for the seminar coop from maybe nineteen ninety three to ninety four to two thousand on and off so In the mail room but I got that discount and that was deadly the disposable income I so many books in my twenties but right days are gone but I met a lot of good friends from working here. We'll meet poet and essays Devon Johnston in the stacks and just a bit. But let's get there by way of books. I think I'll start in biographies here the Co-op I'm Colin McDonald. And you're listening to open. Stacks the seminary COP Bookstore Bookstore podcast. The format allows you to travel forward and back in time. And you're getting several times layered happening at the same meantime. What can the measurement of a year of measurement of days? Cannon can't tell us a bigger breath for this Summer rain. It comes so nice son on looks. Good fire feels good D- in burn out on their bicycles. Vern put me a light in ceiling. put down in Verne's lungs putting up pictures blowed up cooler in Eve. The eighty six year old author or inspiration of Catherine Scandal ins auge nine fog which we just heard him part Kepler. Today we'd call a five year diary a format notes. SCANLON empowering Muser to travel forward in back in time at eighty two poet and writer may starting revisited her diary for publication a year before her death in nineteen ninety-five informer journals. She wrote. I have abided by my rule to add nothing to the days notation but when I read the typed manuscript of the Journal of the eighty second year which I had dictated I felt the strong wish to enrich it here and there with afterthoughts to make a kind of dialogue out of what had been a Soliloquy scanlon debut collection of stories the dominant animal is forthcoming the Spring but here in the midst of winter or late fall. We're listening back to last summer when scanlon join author Marzi Meyer in conversation at the co-op on her edited arranged and rearranged composite of a stranger's diary. The diary fifteen years ago uh-huh at a public estate auction it was among the unsold items. I removed it from a box on. Its way to the garbage. It looks like garbage. I am surprised that made it to the auction house that all the diary was a Christmas present to the author from her daughter and son-in-law the author wrote her full name and address on the front page she resided in small Illinois town. She was eighty six years old when she began recording in it the diary chronicles the years. Nineteen sixty eight through nineteen seventy-two each page is a calendar day divided into five sections one for that date for each of the five years. Here's a contemporary vendor of this type of diary claims. The format allows you to travel forward and back in time at first they loved only the physicality of the diary authors cramped hand the Awkward Artful Way. She felt the page I liked. It's miserable condition. It's position was tenuous your it was. I didn't try to read it. I kept it in a drawer. I I assumed it illegible but then I did read it compulsively a hunched over it straining my neck I read it front to back perhaps a dozen times by now as I read. I taped up the sentences that caught my attention then for ten in years off and on I played with the sentences I'd fold. I edited arranged and rearranged them into the composition. You find here at this point as you might expect the direst voice. Her particular use of language is firmly interactivity lodged. In my head would often I say to myself some hot night or flowers coming fast or grass shirt growing or everything looses traveling in fact I have possessed this work so thoroughly that the direst has ceased to be an entirely unique autonomous other to me. I don't picture her. I am her. The diary Harry has become something like Kim a relation who has also me myself I have at times been exasperated with it. I've wondered why continue to return into it year after year. Draft after draft. Why does it compel me? So isn't it terribly banal. Is it like a game. They come back to you because I have not mastered it. Is it some kind of sacred texts. Meant for me alone has it trained me this inexhaustible textbook textbook how to choose tort order and cut it still moves me which seems unbelievable So what was it about this book that made you feel like I wanna make something more out of what is there. I think it was something that I I didn't think about making a book from it right away. A I was going to make something visual cool with it was going to do something. Like make like blown up prints of the individual pages something like that and so the diary in the beginning was more more some things that I just liked how it looked and I would keep it in my desk drawer and then every anytime I was like working on some collages drawings or whatever just take it out and look at it and think like what I might do with it. I never really landed on anything that felt right and I think after that sort of visas Gwen I started to actually read what was in it and then wanted to do something textual with it but carrying over that same sense of freedom to use it as a found object in the way that you would use to make a collage new use it as bound text to make a a sort of textual collage. I have some other diaries and journals and things that my parents have given me over the years and eight year. None of them held my attention like this one did and I think that that was largely because of just how she wrote how she used language in her entries and when I started it'd reading it there was somebody sentences that I was startled by delighted by it was consistent and there was just something so charming about it to me and so interesting thing and it felt like she was writing with an authority but also in this kind of funny humble way and like a lot the words she used felt very arcane. Choose born in the late. Eighteen hundreds eighteen eighty one. I think I also feel like the language that she uses. Is this type of midwestern vernacular that really resonated with me. I grope less than an hour from where she lived so it felt like the sort of the language of my family or my grandmother. My great grandmother if somebody had said that they didn't want you to do it or they were concerned about it. Because there's so much talk now about like doc probation and who can tell stories and how you think you would have responded to that. Well I mean ultimately I think that I have made something new out of it that is sufficiently different from the original that it is its own artwork. Those questions shirt. It's not about them kind of this whole process over the last ten or so years that I've been working on it and I think that I just always come back to the fact that having this dire having the document it really had a a an effect on me and I really found it to be important this way. I wanted to sort sort of recreate the experience that I had encountering this thing with my book and so I felt like that made it worthwhile. How does it fit in with your writing? Practice in general obviously is very different from an assurance story or a novel for you. How is the process? If I would be stuck on a story that I was trying to write I would come to this and Edward on this. I think that the just the act of editing an isolating these sentences and words and moving them around as these kind of like concrete objects and it really helped me figure out how I wanted to new words and senses around my stories. Do you read poetry. It read some very much like it had that I mean it doesn't read like poetry more more than fiction. I mean is its own thing. It's like a collage but it calls attention to language in a way that poetry does fiction sometimes. Doesn't poetry you part of your background at all Yeah I live in a tree but I do also feel the same attention to language is possible fiction and it's should I try to give induction. Yeah Eh but definitely when I was I. Kind of conceiving this book I was reading a lot of Mary full and a little white shadow. I feel like racial tree is very it closely. Related to this may refer full. If you guys don't know who it says amazing. You mentioned a word. I found really interesting in the introduction election about the diary being garbage and I was thinking about how the text itself almost swallowed up by this this white space and it made me think about about how the white space itself sometimes CENA's garbage in in writing like we don't think about what's not a word or we don't think about like punctuation. This is this connected to the poetry thing and I was wondering how like you thought about the white space. And there's some places where you make a gap like very deliberate gap between words and and how that white space do feel like calls calls into being like the significance of the words themselves makes them like no. It's not trashed. It's not garbage. All of this stuff is really important. uh-huh yeah definitely the the decision to have so few words or sentences on each page was an attempt to give and wait to these things that may otherwise seem daily. been all kinds of regular things I find. I'm to be often the most important things at. Yeah I think giving them the space on the page like that it gives them a stage to sort of breathe exit. We're yeah and you also talk about that. The texts still moves you after. It's been fifteen years now since I got it. Yeah what do you feel like inspires that emotion when you read it. What do you know? Maybe you don't have words for I mean I think it's a lot of things it's it's the fact that the thing was sort of discarded I mean. I don't think like in any malicious way. I think that actually there wasn't really anyone to take care of it anymore. I think it had been taken care of. Because she died in the seventies someone had been carrying for this object for a while and then there was no one left and so that's part of it and just the fact that she's writing at the end of her life she's an eighty six year old woman at the beginning of it. I just feel like there's kind of an inherent poignancy about that. And yet the way that she still seemed to approach each day like really present. Nick can each day and still sort of be enjoying herself and finding pleasure I love what scanlon says about being present in each day and what better way to be present than keeping a diary the ordeal of being true to your own. Inner way must stand in high in the list of ordeals wrote. Playwright Union analysts Florida Scott Maxwell also in her eighties in the measure of my days. And listen to this it is like being in the power of someone you cannot reach no or move but who never let you go. Books can be deceiving. But as far as I know there's no rule that says only women in their eighties encourged urged journal. What might the ordeal of being true to one's own inner way sound like from the point of view of a bookseller? Here's our own bookseller. Adam Stern August eighth a customer snapped at me today. No it wasn't about me who knows what's going on in her life but still I was upset and had to take a minute to cool down. I guess that's just part of the job but I found myself thinking about it all day. My knees hurt I'm tired. What was the recommendation? I got from that customer. Who had a funny conversation with about bookmarks? Oh yes I remember that. Now we'll pick that up soon weights. I remember to close at that special special order. Damn can't remember. I wonder why get so much joy out of remembering someone's name when they come into the store probably because it makes me feel part of this community and they are too and that's a nice feeling to have all all in this together stuck with each other. I Guess Ha- but I've worked many places in working in bookstores. Unique space challenging fond of high low retail library classrooms Lonzo. I'm going to bed right now because I have to open in the morning. Yes I did close special order okay. Good good to get that. We're in this together other. which is something? I remember every time I talk with assistant manager. Elena Jones at the Co ops fron table last summer before scandals visit we measured up to the front table for a look. Get off nine fog and other books that help unwind or rearrange are increasingly quantified in an outer lives. You get these portions of days like fixing dark striped dress of moths. Maud eight good breakfast oatmeal. Poached eggs little sausage. Maude Ate Dinner. Pretty good a letter from Lloyd. Saying John died the sixteenth and so these names come and go throughout the years and very slowly very subtle story is built up. And it's it's organized by season but there's it's clear that many years are passing within each season and so this is a I mean among many anything to to look at what can the measurement of a year the measurement of days cannon can't tell us the title itself. It has that day in there. But there's no day the numbers in here it sits at this period in time but once you get into the book it's only shaped by seasons which of course are a unit of measure. But they're more expensive you you know. They're more cloudier if you will unit of measure. So it's both use zine the structure of a year the structure of the weather director of their movements to help shape this piece of art but it also expands far beyond those measurements. We have here one other that I wanted to bring our attention to it is just the front table the making of measure and the promise of Sameness by Emanuel locally maybe hyphenated name right this is just out from University of Chicago Press and we love quite dearly would it is an art. Historian is looking at kind of the emergence of a type of measurement in medieval Italy and how certain units of measure that were put out on public display in these medieval city states such that the public could then understand what the the unit of measure was instead of it just being described they're able to physically encountered in the public square that seems to lend authority to certain political structures or church structures. Because there's this idea of certainty in truth being communicated to the people that this is this is now. This is this exposes that I don't know what medieval Italian unions a measure. Where this is an Italian you even waiting years deals? The this is what say foot sounds Italian. This is this is a foot actually is. It's hard to comprehend that that knowledge wasn't publicly early available. That kind of a lay person wouldn't necessarily understand or have access to a very firm rubric of measurements. And so oh by starting to communicate this out into the Public Square. This is saying like this is certainty this is truth. This is what we will measure everything else. Against and that starts to that allows people to develop notions of like truth reality rationality and put our faith if if you will in the institutions that are telling us these things so interesting because I was reading the description. This book and I was thinking what was this is sort of liberating act when these institutions solutions were kind of bestowing these curriculums of measurement upon the masses. And I guess one way you could think of that as kind of method of liberation nation but also to think as you're saying of their own aims and being the stores are being the truth tellers this way of defining reality it's also it's also a way of building a power structure and building public faith their confidence in your own actions or knowledge so this allows for the development of things like the scientific method or notions of rational truth or the spread of trade and capitalism that there are these definite measurements that we understand and that we can rely on and that are available to a wider audience still not super wide but wider. But it also Presumably allows us to think more about Notions of justice. Equality if there's if there is a sameness if there is a rational truth that exists out there. I think it helped develop notions of equality for man if you will Some men and then I think it exposes uses that all of it is create and so it allows us to question everything that came from it. These ideas of rational truth of economic truths of abstract economic truths. You Know Elaine before regardless when I asked one kind of perfunctory question as we're talking about measurement this is always fascinated me in a never understood it. Really how do you do. You have a tool a system of of measurement to figure out how many paperbacks or hardcover books have read the front table proper. You can fit on these tables looking. It's just kind of varies by size. What's what's what's the what's the skill? Here there's a pyramid scheme and they must be aligned so we have the highest pile is both the center of the table In with and the center of the table in length and then it cascades down the east and west slopes and the north and south slopes. It's a constant. It's just a fight against nature to keep it that way. Thank you call them. Rows each week's table table and subscribe to our free weekly email newsletter at some coop dot com. Well what about language. The calls attention to itself for rather calls us as readers to attention in fiction and poetry or collage word by word measure by measure. I know of no living poet whose work more vastly enriches the present. Even when it's taking up or mulching in the past and yet as poet essayist and Co editor of Chicago's flood fled additions Devin. Johnston says he doesn't always think of the speaker as him. Well I liked him too. We spoke in the stacks of the co-op about what it means to contemporary and his sixth book poetry. Moss's listens as I understand. It's pronounced sort of record of a dialogue pose to a soliloquy starting says of courses this is a reader and admire of Johnston's work had to call attention to the man behind the moss. Part of what I WANNA do and I'm not supposed to supposed to fawn over for writers and I think it's supposed to be a little bit more objective but you one of our living great poets. WHO's paying attention to sound and form arm in ways that we just don't see often anymore so it's such an honor so I just want to just for a moment for our listeners? Just I'll read this. which is a shame? Shame we'll have you read something like that but just to get a sense of who we're talking to. So this is just an excerpt from a poem. After the fall of acres it's so close the fierce rays of the sun softened the wax bound his plumes releasing sweet fragrance. The WAX melted heat bear arms but lacking or is displaced no air and with his mouth still forming of his father's name he plunged into the sky bloom. I'm here to see the name of which derives from him. So I just want to kind of exalt exert the writing but also so I think I think exalt the rhyme of this book. I think all of your books have have worked worked clearly paying close attention giving close attention to sound and the the rhyme mostly end jammed and also and and stopped in these poems and your newest collection mosses in Lincoln's my pronouncing it right. This is how out outdoors. Both ways Americans say lichens British say legions also sound smart kid with that for. Ask the time But I I wanted to just talk about. Let's talk about sound of course but talk ecoboost rhyme and I just want to know for someone who's so adept at at internal rhyme and rime that it doesn't drive us nuts but drivers on how you think about. Yeah I. That's one of my favorite parts of bombs is and and I find. It's not easier to compose with rhyme. But easier to tell if I have it right and there's it's very satisfying to get rhymes that I'm happy with and with unrine palms which I liked to write and sometimes the poems pull themselves into an unranked direction Sometimes I'm a little more at sea so takes me longer for the home to settle but I to to write palm. I normally am writing my head rather than on the page and the rhyme kind of helps me keep up with them So I almost never write down a pom or at least a stanza until I feel like it's close to finished and then I will tinker with it but I'm kind of superstitious about not putting it down on paper before it feels like I can hear Tom So with the rhymes. Then I know if it's in rhymes I know within the lines are with other kinds of poems. End Up not sure sometimes where the lines czar. Because I don't necessarily hear it in lines. I hear it in phrases in Salads but yeah I've developed that habit for a long time time I kind of walk around my neighborhood or walk my dog or head to work and I'll sort of pick up where where I left off last time thinking about Paul and sometimes all I'm doing is repeating in my head somewhat in Ainley not the same lines that have already come up with and then sometimes I'll get one more and then I'm happy for that day Sometimes it's more than that but that's frequently. The kind of process is churning around to get the sounds right. Yeah you wrote a piece publisher g a little bit about the process of writing. And I think it's Tommy Jarrell he's of fiddler from Carolina. And you were talking about the way that His tunes in their repetition became a kind of Station for him on that. It was a place to return to when you heard that melody it kind of home base. Does that when you're using rhyme. Does it help you or or or sound general. Does it help you to stay. Stay kind of interested in the in the palm. Oh yeah yeah because that's frequently that's frequently all I'm thinking about with the poem. There's a lot. I think every poet has things that they're compulsive about or locked into and other things that they're letting go free and for me. It's normally the sound and the patterning that I'm paying attention to that I'm kind of thinking through what comes next or how. How do I get this right and sometimes I don't think it all about what the poem is doing otherwise sometimes they do? Sometimes I know what I'm doing but sometimes later have to kind of as a secondary stage in writing the poem. Think about what it means or what I might have been saying because that doesn't normally come first for me Sometimes there's a story or anecdote that's a starting place but but not since I kind of think that I really do think poems are like dreamworks that you you experience them or have them and go through the process of at them and then you can interpret them But it's hard for me to interpret them before they're they're you're building the dream dream in a awake state. Yeah Yeah Yeah which okay so for me begs the question which I don't WanNA sound offensive. I mean in a spirit of honoring. But how long does this process typically take crude question. But it's a good thing. How long does yeah? Oh it's so for me. Sometimes palm can happen in what feels like all at once it's very rare Their poems where anecdote occurs to me or something happens to me. I've written it down and normally that happens if someone had told me a story or I've experienced something rated down later realize this this is almost. There's a poem but that has only happened. It happens at most once a year every few years most of the time. When I'm writing I would say weeks sometimes months in sometimes? I have a poem that I think I've gotten right and later. I have to go back into But that process I think is happiest for me if I can extend it so as I've gotten the older I think I try harder to keep the material alive and malleable for as long as possible and to stay inside inside the poem as long as I can because I don't really like the experience of being done I then I'm just waiting to be inside the next Paul. It's sort of being inside of it. That's the greatest pleasure for me. I think in the home in the whole process but so sometimes I think I'm. I'm almost going slower than I need to. Because I'm just I'm kind of mulching you're enjoying yeah like mulching inside of it and then all of a sudden I you know I will suddenly worry that. It's it's closing down on me that it's going cold or I don't feel connected to whatever feeling or instinct started the poem and then I know that I've got to figure out a way to finish it or abandon it because you can't yeah once it's cold then it just. There's nothing left for me to do with it. Now when one thing to admire about your work is the regular either. Absence of of the first person that comes in it's very discrete. Sort of in the way is into the door and then out through the door you know but you out more often or any in the second person or third person writing about characters from blues. Whatever it is I wondered if that insertion of the second and third person helps you to admire the poems one serving as a reader yeah? I'm not sure that it's that it could could be I do think it may be temperamental. The is sort of recessed in a way a lot of the poems and I think that I think that must run deep in me And I think part of the process of writing poems is entails and escape from myself myself as much as probably going into myself so the I isn't going to be for grounded as a kind of social identity entity but I also find Pronoun so highly charged. I mean. They're so powerful that sometimes I want to try to keep them out. Keep them at bay a little bit so that I'm not over using that power in the pronouns. I guess it also has to to do with the fact that I don't think of the speaker as always me sometimes sometimes it is. Sometimes if it's me it's a you sometimes. Sometimes it's a different person. Sometimes it is genuinely a we. I have a family and so it's hard for me. Needed think of myself as two discrete. I'm always spilling over with other people spilling over onto me and vice versa. Yes So yeah it's it's pronounced get messy in that way. There's a great poet. French poet named John John. four-lane you've got one of his books on your shelf and he I came on his poems kind of late but I immediately with that year he sent. Sometimes it's like Oh some of the things I'm trying to do. I recognize here and he writes these very short poems. That are very lyrical in a sense. Wants but they've never have an eye so he always keeps keeps himself out of it but there's at the same time really intimate it feel close to experience. I think it's that quality of being close to the experience that That I want. These translations are great. This is Christopher Middleton's oh edition this genre lane. Yeah yes. So they're really. They're really beautiful. So things like like this. I love this poem. The egg the Old Lady Wipes and egg with her usual apron an ivory egg and heavy nothing to be held against it then. She looks at autumn from her little dormer window and it is like a fine picture with dimensions like a reflection election. Nothing there is out of season and a fragile egg. She's holding in her hand. It alone is new Punctuated little poems usually without a speaker there almost an old sense of France. Like you get this French landscape but at the edges of it also will always be wore some kind of violence or something that feels like a glimpse of the twentieth century. So so that combination of You know some deep traditional life with something sometimes a pastoral life with something that feels very contemporary Is is a kind of mixed that I love and fascinates many. You're getting several times layered and happening at the same time. It's always interesting on her. Writer or maker can invoke history in a way that is in the in the background and not so nor but to sort of enervate. Great Life with it you know. What is the substance of life with that moment? Yeah Yeah that's I think that's identify with that because that's the only way I can do it not. I don't think I'm up particularly historical minded person in some ways and I don't think of myself as part of history some larger sense because I'm not so it's yeah it happens at the edges And that to me is almost more fascinating than if if you were at the center of it. Yeah but the the way in which it without having to compare and contrast but there is such a field of poems right now that are so of the moment and so in response so at the center enter to send politicized event And you know what you're talking about the kind of hate temporarily of a writer like Shawn Lane. I I think that your poems generally do that too. I mean the the poems and in some ways seem most temporal. Are Those about your children or family. I think there's a poem. I'm from farfetched about playing a board game on a Saturday afternoon or Saturday morning or something anyway. Just family time on a Saturday morning and that feels sort of like charged. Temporal poem some of its of its place. Yeah I think that's the only way I can get at it I mean I think there are poets who do feel themselves and locate themselves goals in their voice and what they're writing at the center of you know large movements in history But I yeah. I'm most fascinated the ways in which life sort of goes on with those some of those events happening. At the periphery and I think that's kind of how we discover what it means to be contemporary. Like what it means to live now is not necessarily what's happening on the front page of The New York Times James it's often happening alongside despite that with that but against it. Sometimes we're living in several times at once. Saint Louis is a very nineteenth century city in many respects Our sewage system is still from the eighteen eighties. So you know I'm not sure no but we're we're partially in the eighteen eighty But you know by that Some streets are still brick. So I think you live and those kind of mult- multiple temporale and that's I think that's part of what upon can kind of mysteriously register. I get that from emily. Dickenson to Where you since at the edge of things That the civil war was happening and sometimes it comes into the poems in sometimes you can turn the palms and see how they're really responsive to that and critics have certainly done that but she's also going on thinking about other things Living and dying in other ways so Yeah you get both. I was hoping that you would just read the poem later. Tober oh yeah. Because we're hearing Leno took in late. October kids crowd the stoop backs to darkened house so close to nothing thing getting curious across a brick facade a Kestrel races to meet its shadow. mm-hmm Hawk and starling sport through all this rigging of blocks and lines counterweights Arbor's the street a theatre perset for storms. A chunk of Sycamore adorns the telephone line branch and trunk. long-gone stump a faint impression just that cylinder faintly nautical hung in a crown fair. Triple pull your chances to win. Take twenty two one no money down no faith and desire cashing out the the bartender kroons. If you see me getting smaller true bark loose closing time two boys lug a Samsonite night full of leaves across the lawn. A starling wet. Sra Thorn of beak and song gives way to sunlight on concrete So that I think the thing I like best in that poem. The chunk of Sycamore on the telephone line. I don't know if you ever see that here. But in Saint Louis sometimes when the tree is grown around the line instead of actually getting rid of the wooden entirely they just cut off. This chunk is left left on the telephone line. And then when I read about here is still there On the telephone line to block down from my house so when I pass it I always think. Oh It's nice. I got that into a poem and that feels like a sort of minor but significant accomplishment. Something local that I'd pass every day Abets recorded in a way that satisfies me Because it does I see it and it feels faintly nautical like. It's it feels like something that would be in the rigging being a ship So in that kind of always gives me some little hit of of a different place transformed my mood a a little bit. So that's that that kind of getting it. Down is is really almost to me more more satisfying than some larger accomplishment and poetry. It's a set of little personal record and at the same time I hope Saint Louis becomes becomes where this puts you in some anthology about the city. That's that one or maybe put that little poem on the Chunk of would it would be on the sidewalk sweet. You certainly don't always write about your own experience or even your your family's experience you you attribute to kind of echo echoes. In your books meeting these kinds of attributions whether they're quotes or inspirations rations on from many sources I mentioned earlier you know. Blues Artists Fiddle Artists but in the newest book. Moss's listens right. There are at least two poems after over. You are often writing after ancient Roman poets and in writing ancient Greek mythology. I wonder why what what about These these voices is a helpful place to start from so part of it. The practical part of it is that I I'm not too good with languages better with the dead ones and I can read Latin So Oh I do that kind of habitually I let it lie for a while and then pick something up again and so sometimes something comes through that I'm happy with because even reading it is sort of already a process of translating it looking words sort of coming up with a rough draft raft of something just along the way but I think also it gives me access to other kinds of experience If I'm again if I'm getting a little tired of myself I can have access to someone else or maybe a kind of compromise between me and someone else us through these translations so in it gives me sort of access to trying out possibilities that I couldn't couldn't get to on my own and gives me access to more sustained narratives that are familiar in yet take turns and also a different sensibility. I find avid difficult. Because I don't think I'm as masochistic is I've it is so so so there are difficulties. You were talking about that passage at at the end of the acres palm. Where Davis Nicholas? Were there It Chris is he's plunging into the sea in even their audit is being playful and I had a lot of trouble with that passage because he sort of playing hang on the fact that day lists. The father is a father no more. We'll call him a father but he's not a father because he doesn't yet know his son is dead. It's almost a joke in the poem but it seems really heartless in a certain way. So there's a lot to negotiate in that way but even those problems problems have sort of encountering this very different sensibility that so sh- super sharp and witty and impossibly playful with the in the Latin is It's it's a good challenge to try to bring that into the English and compromise with my own insensibility. Along the way some of the books that are sort of part of Moscow's Chins and one one is operatives metamorphosis but a particular translation. Can you tell us about this. The Arthur golden translation of fifteen sixty seven. Yes so this was Yeah this is kind of if the earliest significant translation of the poem. And it's still in the one I kind of I go back to. It's difficult Just because the English Che's now difficult the lines are really long but line by line it has sort of compacted in each line so many possibilities of what the poem is doing so it really for the translator. It's a great resource because when a translators normally forced to choose between gene possible meanings. Golding is able to choose both And sort of try them both out sometimes in the same line and so in a way. It's a it's a very It's a sort of flowering translation. That's that instead of limiting the meanings is it sort of amplats sort of yet. They they become branching and multiple So I can't sit and read it straight through very easily really But I love drifting through it or looking something up and seeing what golding does with it so anytime working on on anything an audit. I do that add And I know my English isn't going to be anything. Like his. So is his is so rich and it was this a resource for Shakespeare and many the other writers. So it's It's it's distant enough that I can sort of safely consulted without then being infected by its particular language. Ya Aw yeah for having that kind of For me it would be that kind of feeling like Oh. I'm not the scrotum screw it. I'm just going to get up here. What is it? There's the dangerous translation is sometimes you go and look up the other another translation. Think okay. It's taken care of. I don't need to do this work. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah but I wonder echoing these myths these stories do they create a kind kind of Shelter for you or a place. I guess in terms of the way you're talking about not wanting to pronounce the the I always be the lead responder in your palms is this one of the Kind of assuring ways to to pull that off to be in the background I I think so. Yeah I like the idea of Of them being something I can. I can sort of bounce other poems off of or set them in relation relation to I think of them as translations but I can be irresponsible new translations as well because they've been translated so many times before which which is one of the reasons I think I gravitate towards classics. Is that that it's easy to turn them in my own directions So so I don't have to be faithful to them. I have a certain on unreasonable. And probably blay impossible ideal. That Apoel might be almost anonymous yet. Intimate so that anyone might own unit or feel ownership of it or be able to occupy it without it being associated with me And I do you think we feel that way frequently with songs we will sing them ourselves if we if we love them and they will be something that we feel ourselves inside the Psalm. Not Thinking you know why did so and so right at this way. Or what were they saying autobiographically about themselves it flutes free of that. I think it's harder for poems to do that but I like to get as close as I can to that feeling absolutely August twelve four thirty. PM I arrive. At the Hyatt regency and begin sitting up. Setting up for an offset event is like performing a wrote but no less sacred ritual such as is moving stone from when plot to another or silent prayer except your actions appear to have meaning. It isn't obvious to passersby. Exactly why you're here. Are you early for the reading. You locked out of your room. Did you write all of these books but enough about me as I mentioned. Johnston Co edits the marvelously independent small oppressed flood editions. And we'll close this entry of open stax with the word from our portable. I E offsite bookseller Fred on the night. He sold books for flood poet. Tom Picard September fifth. Two Thousand Nineteen Collins said. He was interested in the reading tonight at the Poetry Foundation by the English poet Tampa Card. I knew within this was going to be a good evening. It was also going to be the opening of an exposition of posters photos and manuscripts more tower and abandoned medieval located in Newcastle England. That poet Tampa Card with his first wife Connie turned into a poetry reading room slash bookshop in nineteen sixty four as I was setting up our our selection of books Tampa car dressed in a white t shirt asked me if I would sell some additional items for him including postcards out of print book that he wanted to mark up by two dollars and two very rare items from the nineteen sixties for one hundred dollars each. We agreed that if any of his items sold it would be cash only and give him the money at the end of the evening. Audience was a mixture of poets publishers. Professors booksellers students. I saw my old friends Michael and Roberta who I usually run into any event dealing with Bob Dylan or at any concerts of English folk music. Michael whose English toll Tom and myself the story has one job at the nineteen seventy-two Manchester Arts Festival was to pick up Tom at the train station and deliver them to the pub with a poetry reading. What's going to be? He never found Tom but the poet somehow turned up at the pub on his own late. The point of this story is Michael. Met Roberta an American exchange student that night and for the next two years who would mail Tampa Card poems to Roberta back in the states. She was almost in tears meeting the poet again that evening after all these years I like to split poets into two categories university poets and street poets and Tom Picard. It is for sure a street poet. Someone who dropped out of school at fourteen but has a vast vocabulary he also used to run a bookstore at the Camden lock market in London. For a time I sold one rare book. Another copy was located in one of the adjacent glass cases for Tom. Some other items and gave him one hundred twenty three dollars in cash. I also twelve books through the Co.. OP He signed a book for me. Fred for Fuck Sake. Thanks for helping out tonight. Tom Picard This episode was produced by Veronica Carlin and Jackson Roach. Thanks to booksellers. Adam Stern Fred drowsy and always Elaine Jones and thanks to our guests Catherine Scallon Alan Marzi. Meyer endeavoured Johnston find their books and more on the show notes to this episode. It's Sam Coop Dot Com and read with us next time on open stacks

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